| 00:06.02 | Qzot | Later, all. |
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| 00:52.05 | Kirkburn1 | HL2@DM ftw |
| 00:53.06 | Corrodias | well, my first character finally hit level 60 last night, after, what, 4 months |
| 00:54.01 | Corrodias | now my life is over. *boom* |
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| 01:11.23 | jaxdahl | nah |
| 01:11.28 | jaxdahl | it's a completely different game at 60 |
| 01:17.41 | Kirkburn1 | Make an alt and get that to 60 :P |
| 01:18.10 | Kirkburn1 | HL2:DM must be the most frenetic game on the planet :/ |
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| 02:16.23 | GeoDaMancer | Can someone tell me what's wrong with: http://wowi.pastey.net/756 |
| 02:17.20 | Miravlix | wth |
| 02:17.39 | Miravlix | I can't do CastSpellByName("petAbility") anymore?? |
| 02:17.53 | Miravlix | Even using /cast Prowl(Rank 1) does nothing |
| 02:18.05 | GeoDaMancer | Oooh, I thought that was in response to what I just pasted. No idea. |
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| 02:19.30 | GeoDaMancer | Hey, Iri. |
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| 02:19.45 | Iriel | Evening |
| 02:20.29 | GeoDaMancer | Is it a bad idea to set the Points for an object before declaring the size, in the lua XML creating thingers... |
| 02:21.35 | Iriel | No |
| 02:21.50 | Iriel | set enough points and you can skip size completely |
| 02:22.07 | GeoDaMancer | http://wowi.pastey.net/756 <.< Should this work? |
| 02:23.19 | Iriel | Yup, though i'd use parentFrame instead of titleFrame:GetParent() on the 2nd SetPoint |
| 02:23.32 | Iriel | no sense in wasting a method call |
| 02:23.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.ctprofiles.net/3658188 anyone have any trinket suggestions? |
| 02:24.33 | GeoDaMancer | Nothing pops up. ~_~ |
| 02:25.38 | MentalPower | GeoDaMancer: I was under the impression that you had to specify ana ctual object for the parent parameter of CreateFrame() |
| 02:25.44 | MentalPower | you're specifying a string |
| 02:26.14 | Iriel | Where? |
| 02:26.17 | MentalPower | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CreateFrame |
| 02:26.19 | Iriel | He specifies names |
| 02:26.20 | Iriel | but not parents |
| 02:26.23 | Iriel | as strings |
| 02:26.26 | GeoDaMancer | It's Type, Name, parent I'm only putting an object in the parent section. |
| 02:26.43 | MentalPower | line 6 of your pastey |
| 02:27.03 | MentalPower | scratch that |
| 02:27.07 | MentalPower | I got the order wrong |
| 02:27.08 | GeoDaMancer | Yeah. xD |
| 02:27.31 | GeoDaMancer | It's being created. |
| 02:28.08 | GeoDaMancer | I think the problem is with my texture setting. -_- |
| 02:28.36 | Iriel | You forgot \\ |
| 02:28.48 | Iriel | though you should see a big green blob |
| 02:28.49 | GeoDaMancer | That might be it. |
| 02:29.39 | GeoDaMancer | Nothing shows at all. |
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| 02:31.45 | GeoDaMancer | Changes made, but still not working. -_- And it throws no errors. http://wowi.pastey.net/758 |
| 02:32.50 | Iriel | I'd try doing some /dump AB_Bar:GetLeft(),AB_Bar:GetRight() stuff |
| 02:32.57 | Iriel | check to make sure it's ended up on screen |
| 02:34.33 | GeoDaMancer | HUrm... |
| 02:34.40 | GeoDaMancer | The lower on the screen it is, the lower the value is, right? |
| 02:35.11 | Iriel | no |
| 02:35.15 | Iriel | oh, sorry, yes |
| 02:35.22 | Iriel | BOTTOMRIGHT is the origin |
| 02:35.25 | Iriel | Ack |
| 02:35.27 | Iriel | BOTTOMLEFT |
| 02:35.33 | Iriel | my brain is so not cooperating today |
| 02:35.38 | GeoDaMancer | Left: 366, Right:658, Top:507, Bottom: 259 That makes sense, right? |
| 02:35.45 | Iriel | Yes |
| 02:35.56 | Iriel | Now do the same with your title frame and check it's in the right place too |
| 02:36.42 | GeoDaMancer | Title is too. |
| 02:39.05 | GeoDaMancer | Hrm... |
| 02:40.34 | GeoDaMancer | xD |
| 02:41.00 | GeoDaMancer | I missunderstood the thing about the \\ |
| 02:48.41 | Tem | with a vertical slider, positive direction is up? |
| 02:48.58 | Tem | is it possible to set witch direction is positive? |
| 02:48.59 | GeoDaMancer | I would imagine so. |
| 02:49.13 | GeoDaMancer | Probably. |
| 02:49.44 | Tem | anyone have more definative answers? |
| 02:50.21 | GeoDaMancer | Did you try to set the max and min backwards? |
| 02:50.55 | Tem | I don't have access to the game |
| 02:50.59 | Tem | which is why I'm asking here |
| 02:51.05 | Tem | it'd be pretty easy to test in game |
| 02:51.13 | Tem | trivial, in fact |
| 02:51.17 | GeoDaMancer | Oh, I didn't know that. xD |
| 02:51.47 | Tem | guess it's something I should have mentioned >< |
| 02:53.50 | jaxdahl | ever hear of wow workbench? |
| 02:53.56 | jaxdahl | (i think that's the name) |
| 02:55.26 | GeoDaMancer | WoWBench |
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| 02:59.27 | Iriel | Oh look it's me 8-) |
| 03:05.17 | GeoDaMancer | Sorry, Tem, I'm still trying to figure out how to make a slider through lua. |
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| 03:06.40 | Kaelten | howdy howdy |
| 03:07.51 | GeoDaMancer | Hola. |
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| 03:10.00 | GeoDaMancer | Is there a good explanation of how the lua xml api works? |
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| 03:20.52 | Iriel | Sorry about the join/leave spam, i'm trying a new IRC client |
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| 03:21.36 | GeoDaMancer | Which one? |
| 03:21.36 | Iriel | irssi |
| 03:21.36 | Iriel | via a proxy, tho, which makes things a bit more interesting |
| 03:22.05 | GeoDaMancer | irssi? Isn't that alinux program? |
| 03:22.37 | Iriel | that's where i'm using it, though I think it's available elsewhere. |
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| 03:22.41 | GeoDaMancer | And, is there a tutorial for using the Widget API? |
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| 03:29.18 | GeoDaMancer | I prof at chuu alll! |
| 03:29.26 | GeoDaMancer | ^prof^ |
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| 04:12.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/new-hp/images/ne-bottom-left.gif |
| 04:12.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | what |
| 04:12.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dont want to visit cuba |
| 04:12.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ that was something that said visit cuba until i refreshed |
| 04:14.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | they have doubleclick ads on the site? wth |
| 04:14.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | come on blizzard you make billions a month, why do you have sleazy doubleclick ads on your main page :[ |
| 04:18.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a doubleclick ad on the main wow page @_@ |
| 04:18.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | also, the night elf dagger thing was a VISIT CUBA ad until i refreshed |
| 04:18.52 | Cairenn | not on the one I'm looking at ... |
| 04:19.01 | Cairenn | so as I said ... |
| 04:19.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | nor does mine anymore, since i unwhitelisted worldofwarcraft.com :P |
| 04:19.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | above the burning crusade image with the draenei on the right |
| 04:20.14 | Cairenn | ah |
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| 04:23.48 | ghost | ACK! |
| 04:25.01 | cogwheel|afk | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 04:25.04 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 04:25.20 | GeoDaMancer | Heheheh. |
| 04:25.37 | GeoDaMancer | Oi yea, anyone know of a good explanation of how the Widget API works? |
| 04:25.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API ? |
| 04:26.15 | GeoDaMancer | Incomplete. xD |
| 04:26.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | buncha gibberish to me either way |
| 04:26.57 | GeoDaMancer | Mostly makes sense to me. ^^; |
| 04:27.11 | GeoDaMancer | Just a few things go... Whoosh! Right over my head. |
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| 04:42.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow that interface is nifty |
| 04:42.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.kram-hochladen.de/files/3477/red.jpeg |
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| 04:42.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it doesn't want to load and gives a leech error just refresh cair |
| 04:42.58 | Cairenn | huh, loaded that time ... how incredibly odd |
| 04:43.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's cause the site has referrers set to go to that error |
| 04:43.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was a referral offsite so you can't hotlink stuff |
| 04:43.35 | Cairenn | I clicked the link and hit refresh any number of times before posting the error messages |
| 04:44.04 | Cairenn | I was sitting here wondering how the hell the person figured out what mod it was :p |
| 04:44.10 | GeoDaMancer | That's messed up. Very messed up. |
| 04:44.22 | GeoDaMancer | It's loading from the bottom up. I've never seen anything do that. |
| 04:44.32 | Cairenn | yeah, that's kinda funky |
| 04:44.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | bmps do in firefox |
| 04:44.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | even though it's .jpeg it's a bmp o_o |
| 04:44.58 | GeoDaMancer | bmps do in ff? |
| 04:45.09 | GeoDaMancer | I'd never seen it do that. |
| 04:45.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | very little of the internet uses bmps anymore |
| 04:45.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they're freaking worthless |
| 04:45.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | Now entering SKARABAUSTERRASSE |
| 04:46.15 | GeoDaMancer | BMP are not exactly worthless. |
| 04:46.26 | GeoDaMancer | They've very good for conserving the image quality. |
| 04:47.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i prefer pngs for size, but a properly compressed jpg is usually plenty good unless you're working incredibly hi res |
| 04:47.30 | MentalPower | if you're concerned about image quality, you can use PNGs |
| 04:47.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | he probably just pasted into paint and saved it as a bmp |
| 04:49.03 | Cairenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyl8XWrX5e8 |
| 04:49.06 | GeoDaMancer | png is fairly good as well, but bitmap is the best... png is Window's version of the GIF which people have to pay to use. |
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| 04:50.39 | MentalPower | err... GIF only supports 256 colors |
| 04:50.57 | MentalPower | PNG uses a 24-bit colorspace |
| 04:51.09 | Cairenn | everyone is entitled to their opinion ... even if they're wrong ;) |
| 04:51.11 | MentalPower | BMP's are just wasteful |
| 04:51.19 | MentalPower | true |
| 04:51.48 | Cairenn | that, btw, was a joke ... there is no such thing as a "wrong" opinion ... by definition an opinion can't be "wrong" |
| 04:55.55 | krka | you're so wrong cair |
| 04:56.02 | MentalPower | haha |
| 04:56.47 | MentalPower | clarification, PNG's can use either 256 colors or a 24-bit colorspace |
| 04:57.50 | GeoDaMancer | PNGs also preserve Transperancy. |
| 04:58.35 | krka | png's can also use 2bit and 4bit |
| 04:58.36 | MentalPower | true that is |
| 04:58.50 | MentalPower | I didn't know that krka |
| 04:59.06 | krka | hmm.. probably even more variants |
| 05:23.09 | Iriel | Hm, chatzilla is going to take some getting used to after a terminal based IRC client |
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| 05:35.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | mirc imo |
| 05:35.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i've been using mirc for far too long to convert to anything else :P |
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| 06:20.55 | krka | i am new to irssi but i grew fond of it quickly |
| 06:21.20 | Iriel | I got irssi working okay, but the window stuff is a bit clumsy |
| 06:21.25 | Iriel | so I figured i'd try chatzilla |
| 06:22.41 | Gngsk | what's wrong with bX? |
| 06:23.25 | Iriel | trying to do interesting things with it seemed far too complex |
| 06:23.43 | Gngsk | those quit msgs are golden though |
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| 06:25.21 | Iriel | g'night folks |
| 06:26.13 | Gngsk | nite |
| 06:28.10 | krka | interesting things? |
| 06:33.23 | Gngsk | irssi is prolly more scripter friendly than bX which is kinda said considering it uses perl :o |
| 06:33.30 | Gngsk | er, sad |
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| 06:36.36 | Esamynn | testing testing, is my connection working again |
| 06:36.49 | Cairenn | fail |
| 06:37.13 | Esamynn | awww, you're mean Cairenn :P |
| 06:37.18 | Cairenn | I know |
| 06:40.02 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 06:40.16 | Esamynn | good night |
| 06:40.18 | Gngsk | nite |
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| 06:49.08 | Corrodias | switching to defense in AV has really turned around my record... |
| 06:49.26 | Corrodias | well, i don't know how much -i- personally have a part in it, but anyway a strong defense has made my 1-6 AV record turn into a 5-6 one |
| 06:53.11 | Esamynn | good night all |
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| 06:55.33 | Dhraga | Morning al |
| 06:55.38 | Dhraga | **all |
| 06:59.39 | Gngsk | hi |
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| 07:03.03 | GremWarsong | Hey all |
| 07:04.14 | GremWarsong | Does anyone know if it's possible to make mods that effect the character selection screen? |
| 07:09.19 | Dhraga | Dont think so, that screen before the addons are loaded |
| 07:09.31 | Dhraga | *is before |
| 07:09.37 | GremWarsong | Hmm |
| 07:09.52 | GremWarsong | Bummer |
| 07:10.52 | ckknight_ | GremWarsong, used to be, long time back, not anymore though |
| 07:12.31 | GremWarsong | =/ |
| 07:12.48 | GremWarsong | Also, is there a way to directly edit Blizzard's UI? |
| 07:12.54 | GremWarsong | Besides hooking to its functions |
| 07:13.47 | kergoth | "edit"? |
| 07:14.14 | ckknight_ | what do you mean by edit? |
| 07:14.19 | ckknight_ | like change the look? |
| 07:15.33 | GremWarsong | Like modify their core files |
| 07:15.36 | ckknight | oSkin is nice |
| 07:15.53 | kergoth | GremWarsong: i suggest you start by explaining exactly what you're trying or want to do |
| 07:15.56 | ckknight | GremWarsong, no, but you can replace and/or hook the original functions |
| 07:16.20 | GremWarsong | right ckknight =) |
| 07:17.11 | GremWarsong | Does anyone know if there could be hidden Blizzard ui files? |
| 07:17.27 | GremWarsong | Or have studies revealed that all the information listed on the wiki sites for the blizzard UI is complete |
| 07:18.17 | ckknight | GremWarsong, just use the blizzard extractor |
| 07:18.19 | GremWarsong | For example, some of the blizzard UI files call functions that arent listed anywhere in their UI |
| 07:18.25 | ckknight | right |
| 07:18.29 | ckknight | cause those are in C. |
| 07:18.33 | GremWarsong | ahh |
| 07:18.40 | GremWarsong | I see |
| 07:19.41 | GremWarsong | Thanks for the information |
| 07:20.12 | GremWarsong | I was just looking for ways to possibly enhance the login process, Kergoth |
| 07:38.30 | norgs | As far as I am aware the "GLUE" cannot be changed to enhance the login process... But have fun anyhow. |
| 07:38.50 | GremWarsong | yeah =/ |
| 07:40.13 | norgs | does anyone know why the servers are going down at the momen and if they will be going back up before tonights maintenance, or is it just starting 4 hours early? |
| 07:41.08 | norgs | i tried to go to the realm status forums, but apparently "Server is busy, please try again" |
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| 08:02.05 | Corrodias | someone was hitting me with "liquid fire" in one AV game, but i'm having trouble figuring out what it is |
| 08:02.27 | Corrodias | norgs: starts early, ends late |
| 08:02.58 | norgs | yuk |
| 08:21.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=16136? |
| 08:21.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 08:21.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=16136 ? |
| 08:21.34 | Corrodias | "Zombie sex is like old people sex. You think it's gross... Until you're a zombie." |
| 08:22.09 | Corrodias | not unless the combat log messages actually say "<name>'s Liquid Fire hits you for 1000 damage." |
| 08:22.24 | Corrodias | i think it said something like that, anyway |
| 08:23.00 | Corrodias | there are several instances of "liquid fire" on thottbot but they're script effects |
| 08:25.35 | Corrodias | i suspect it may have been an exploit |
| 08:25.42 | Corrodias | especially since it did like 3k damage in 1k bursts |
| 08:25.58 | Corrodias | over about 2 seconds |
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| 08:39.46 | Mikma | Cairenn|sleep: wake up ;) |
| 08:46.20 | Corrodias | hmm. this is odd. |
| 08:46.39 | Corrodias | someone was asking me earlier, and i think it was in here, about any way other than your IP that a site could determine your location |
| 08:46.57 | Corrodias | he determined that changing his browser's language setting worked for getting into something |
| 08:47.17 | Corrodias | now i see on muchan's /alt/ board that someone has mentioned that as a solution to getting into a japanese board. coincidence? |
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| 09:32.30 | jaxdahl | how do i link to an image's PAGE? |
| 09:35.46 | Corrodias | i wonder why i see things like "you’ll", assuming your irc client doesn't translate that into something that makes sense, on web sites with my up-to-date firefox and the additional language packs for windows installed |
| 09:44.36 | jaxdahl | got it.. |
| 09:44.42 | jaxdahl | [[:Image:Image.jpg]] |
| 09:44.45 | jaxdahl | rather than |
| 09:44.48 | jaxdahl | [[Image:Image.jpg]] |
| 09:44.53 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 09:47.25 | Corrodias | gah, "idobi Radio" has a playlist of like 20 songs :P |
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| 09:58.50 | Nasthrak | Evening folks :) |
| 09:59.27 | Nasthrak | Am I right in thinking that this is the irc place-to-go for wow api/interface questions etc? |
| 10:00.31 | jaxdahl | you are in the right place |
| 10:00.33 | jaxdahl | at the wrong time |
| 10:00.36 | Nasthrak | haha |
| 10:00.41 | Nasthrak | everyone's asleep? |
| 10:00.45 | jaxdahl | pretty much |
| 10:00.49 | Nasthrak | bugger |
| 10:00.53 | jaxdahl | just ask your question |
| 10:00.59 | Nasthrak | Thanks :P |
| 10:01.01 | jaxdahl | and hopefully someone will get back to you |
| 10:01.28 | Nasthrak | Is there a WoW API function that returns the server's *date* at all? I know there's one for server time, and there's a Lua one for system date/time, but is there one for server date? |
| 10:01.38 | Nasthrak | can't find it in the api docs |
| 10:01.42 | Nasthrak | :( |
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| 10:11.35 | Corrodias | so, some realms still have closed AQ gates... |
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| 10:53.36 | JoshBorke | morning kirk |
| 10:54.59 | Kirkburn | Morning |
| 11:00.45 | Corrodias | allies always go for galv and horde argues about whether or not to hit balinda |
| 11:00.59 | Corrodias | i hear it's because it's directly in the allies' path to the keep |
| 11:01.35 | Corrodias | although by the look of the map, it doesn't look like balinda is very far out of the way for the horde team |
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| 12:27.56 | Legorol | Can a Gnome ride a Night Elf panther? (given exalted rep.) |
| 12:28.01 | JoshBorke | yea! |
| 12:28.09 | JoshBorke | there's a gnome on a wintersaber mount |
| 12:31.25 | Mery | (on my server too) |
| 12:32.10 | JoshBorke | erm, i've only seen pictures |
| 12:32.38 | Mery | :) on my server I know at least 10 players with the mount out of my head |
| 12:32.43 | JoshBorke | wow |
| 12:32.53 | Mery | (myself included lol) |
| 12:33.05 | AnduinLothar | I know half a dozen non night elfs with cats |
| 12:33.15 | AnduinLothar | I'm 3/4 through revered for mine |
| 12:33.32 | JoshBorke | nice |
| 12:35.04 | Mery | getting exaulted with NE was pretty easy imo... cost me about 400g |
| 12:35.18 | AnduinLothar | If you buy it's it's not bad |
| 12:35.21 | JoshBorke | i'm going the morrowgrain route |
| 12:35.37 | JoshBorke | morrowgrain for darn, runecloth for SW |
| 12:35.48 | AnduinLothar | I've been just turning in all the mats i dont turn into bandages when i can, so it's taking a substantial amount of time |
| 12:36.04 | JoshBorke | yea, i've got all the time in the world |
| 12:36.22 | AnduinLothar | not like i have $ for another epic atm |
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| 12:36.31 | Mery | yeah i only bought NE rep (because well I farmed the wintersaber mount before the stupid mobs started dropping runecloth) |
| 12:37.06 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 12:37.06 | AnduinLothar | if you 5man they drop crap tons of runecloth |
| 12:37.24 | AnduinLothar | grinding silithus works too |
| 12:37.38 | Mery | ya farmed them again for timbermaw rep (mostly 2 man - me mage + a priest) |
| 12:37.48 | Kirkburn | The beta is imminent :D |
| 12:38.09 | AnduinLothar | so is the end of the world |
| 12:38.15 | AnduinLothar | and that' staking it's time.. |
| 12:38.20 | Kirkburn | Eyonix: " soon after the final unveiling [of the druid/hunter talents], many players will be given an opportunity to participate in our closed beta for the Burning Crusade. |
| 12:38.20 | Kirkburn | " |
| 12:38.49 | AnduinLothar | only if you're cool |
| 12:39.03 | Kirkburn | Not you then ... =P |
| 12:39.08 | AnduinLothar | definitely not |
| 12:39.40 | Mery | "soon(tm) after" a not yet announced date - that's why I like Blizzard |
| 12:39.52 | AnduinLothar | Would anyone be interested in an addon that lets you make macros to do itemswaps? |
| 12:40.43 | Kirkburn | Why the PTRs aren't up yet: http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/21022294.htm |
| 12:40.55 | Mery | what would be the difference to /equip itemname? |
| 12:40.56 | Kirkburn | (apparently the friday build was bad and had to be redone) |
| 12:41.39 | Kirkburn | Another big downtime for US people: http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/21262587.htm |
| 12:42.08 | JoshBorke | oh well crap |
| 12:42.17 | JoshBorke | they wiped my friends list |
| 12:42.21 | AnduinLothar | well it'd have an /equip macro and also an /equipalt macro to equip to the 2ndary slots. And a way to swap multiple items without exploding |
| 12:43.03 | Mery | but isn't that covered by the new functions we'll get in 2.0? |
| 12:43.16 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.59 | Mery | ./equipslot <slot> <itemname> |
| 12:43.59 | AnduinLothar | for isntance you cant equip anything a one-hand as an offhand with /equip |
| 12:44.06 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 12:44.12 | AnduinLothar | you'd have to specify slot |
| 12:44.30 | AnduinLothar | you know the slot #'s off the top of your head? |
| 12:44.52 | AnduinLothar | cause I'm fairly tired of lookign them up |
| 12:45.56 | AnduinLothar | and if you try to equip something to the other slot and then equip a 2nd trinket it'd blow up and not do the 2nd one |
| 12:47.07 | AnduinLothar | ok, so no one cares. i'll market it to the ui athors then |
| 12:48.54 | Nightdew | has the spell event model changed at all in 2.0? |
| 12:49.18 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 12:49.26 | AnduinLothar | the events? |
| 12:49.33 | Nightdew | yes |
| 12:49.35 | AnduinLothar | check the boards |
| 12:50.31 | Nightdew | i didnt find anything.. just that some of you have more inside scoop then others |
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| 12:51.33 | AnduinLothar | mind reading |
| 12:51.39 | KevICG | I know |
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| 13:33.07 | Kirkburn | Lol, I searched for "Kirkburn" on live.com - one of the results is a website of mine which _doesn't even use the word_ Kirkburn! Weird ranking stuff they have ... |
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| 13:38.34 | AnduinLothar | know what's really creepy... it says i own this: http://gast-im-schloss.de/3_3_eng.html |
| 13:38.39 | AnduinLothar | and manage it |
| 13:40.24 | AnduinLothar | apparently there's a lot of me |
| 13:40.55 | AnduinLothar | This page says I'm a local contractor... http://www.scls.lib.wi.us/baraboo/about/history.html |
| 13:42.15 | AnduinLothar | on the plus side 3 of the top 4 are actualy me |
| 13:45.09 | KevICG | my real name is Andy Smith, there are so many of me that it's like I'm a freaking army of clones. |
| 13:45.28 | AnduinLothar | heh, mine's a little more origonal than that |
| 13:46.44 | AnduinLothar | mmm AnduinLothar gets 6,060 google hits... yummy |
| 13:48.26 | AnduinLothar | i love finding boards in other languages with ym name on them.. |
| 13:49.13 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 13:49.38 | Kirkburn | There's only one of me in the world, both in nickname and real name :) |
| 13:50.03 | AnduinLothar | >.< why is ChatScroll on ui.woolrdofwar.. |
| 13:50.32 | Kirkburn | worldofwool :P |
| 13:50.47 | Kirkburn | Oh, no, wait, that's Wales |
| 13:51.39 | AnduinLothar | ... aparently someone is uber.. |
| 13:51.40 | AnduinLothar | http://thewraith.de/Your_Account/profile=Anduinlothar.html |
| 13:51.55 | Kirkburn | hhe |
| 13:52.03 | AnduinLothar | ironic: blizz made me change my name and i changed it to Wraithhammer |
| 13:52.10 | AnduinLothar | go figure |
| 13:52.35 | Kirkburn | Coincidence? |
| 13:52.47 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 13:52.53 | Kirkburn | weird :P |
| 13:52.54 | AnduinLothar | zomg.. i have a zoom summary |
| 13:53.04 | Kirkburn | zoom? |
| 13:53.10 | AnduinLothar | zoominfo.com |
| 13:53.46 | AnduinLothar | hawt. I have no idea what this says... http://bbs6.sina.com.cn/cgi-bin/myarticle/usershow.cgi?user=anduinlothar |
| 13:54.19 | Kirkburn | I have a summary too, but it's rather rubbish :) |
| 13:54.43 | AnduinLothar | lol i bablefished that page it's humerous |
| 13:55.21 | AnduinLothar | Your humanities edit do not exist or cannot use. The reason possibly is following several kinds: |
| 13:55.26 | AnduinLothar | 1. You do not have the high-quality goods posting at the forum. |
| 13:55.33 | AnduinLothar | 3. The article edits is establishing or is forbidden by the manager the browsing. |
| 13:55.33 | AnduinLothar | 2. You are not the Sina members. |
| 13:55.34 | AnduinLothar | 4. The system appears the breakdown. |
| 13:55.38 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 13:55.52 | Kirkburn | I'm guessing it's an access denied thing :P |
| 13:56.02 | AnduinLothar | oh man. my server 404 msg needs to say "The system appears the breakdown." |
| 13:56.30 | AnduinLothar | high-quality goods LOL |
| 13:56.40 | AnduinLothar | roflmao |
| 13:58.00 | AnduinLothar | sweet. i love this ace page summary: "Well , let it be known far and wide that AnduinLothar is a code thief . His toc file description even is exactly the friggin ' same as AH_Wipe and unlike ... |
| 13:59.34 | zinor | Ok so |
| 13:59.38 | zinor | beta didnt make yesterday >.< |
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| 14:01.05 | AnduinLothar | this page is classic |
| 14:01.06 | AnduinLothar | http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:vd96NZyDV_IJ:www.wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D6166%26sid%3D1c4338670c962bdb0807539e55b0e57e+AnduinLothar&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=38 |
| 14:01.56 | zinor | lol |
| 14:02.38 | zinor | what is it with these peopleand copyright infringement |
| 14:02.51 | zinor | good luck protecting your wow addon source and holding a suit in court |
| 14:03.20 | AnduinLothar | this little snipit just kinda made me laugh: "Really, that's the second time and I can't find anything cool by crippling my addon which ate a lot of my time to develope." |
| 14:03.56 | zinor | lol |
| 14:04.09 | AnduinLothar | cause i mean i know all the good ideas are used already, but "a lot of my time"... the thing is liek 100 line total |
| 14:04.33 | zinor | open source isnt about making 10 pages of credits, in my opinion |
| 14:04.39 | AnduinLothar | even if I wrote it from scratch it would look almost identical |
| 14:04.40 | zinor | opens oruce is releasing your material so others can make good use of it |
| 14:04.56 | zinor | then again, theres no closed lua source |
| 14:05.02 | zinor | but thats a decision you make when you write wow addons :) |
| 14:05.18 | [Ammo] | even lua can be closed source |
| 14:05.25 | zinor | ya but not w/ wow :) |
| 14:05.31 | [Ammo] | the fact that you can read the source has nothing to do with it being open or not |
| 14:05.45 | AnduinLothar | anyway. dont hate the lua people that was a long time ago and those authors for the most part aren't around any more |
| 14:05.53 | AnduinLothar | (fromt hat link) |
| 14:06.01 | [Ammo] | it's an old thread indeed |
| 14:06.08 | zinor | [Ammo], theres some clause in WoW's EULA that basically destroys all that though :P |
| 14:06.29 | [Ammo] | zinor: doesn't mean we can't be civilized about it :) |
| 14:06.32 | AnduinLothar | i just thought it was humerous. cause at the time i was rather irritated that they put up such a fuss |
| 14:06.52 | zinor | ya |
| 14:06.57 | zinor | so we're building a wiki for cg now :) |
| 14:07.09 | [Ammo] | cg? |
| 14:07.11 | AnduinLothar | good luck with that |
| 14:07.38 | zinor | curse |
| 14:07.38 | AnduinLothar | score a german page |
| 14:07.43 | JoshBorke | wow, that's gonna get hammered |
| 14:07.45 | AnduinLothar | http://warcraft3.ingame.de/w3tips/index.php?category=1&orderby=datum&desc=DESC&page=1 |
| 14:08.00 | zinor | nothing like wowwiki etc., but iw ill be whatever the users make of it + our content team |
| 14:08.12 | zinor | but itll be available for each game we're gonna cover, should work well |
| 14:08.16 | Mery | (totally off-topic): If windows refuses to copy a file (probably a physical hdd problem) how can I just copy the part thats still readable (i.e. up to the corruped parts)? |
| 14:08.20 | [Ammo] | anyone of the cursegaming team hang around here? I need to get an addon transfered under my control on the site |
| 14:08.26 | zinor | it will also only shown for your selected language |
| 14:08.36 | zinor | what addon |
| 14:08.40 | [Ammo] | BigWigs |
| 14:08.42 | zinor | and can you prove you should have control |
| 14:08.44 | [Ammo] | it's owned by Tekkub atm |
| 14:08.51 | [Ammo] | and he already gave me control on wowinterface.com |
| 14:08.55 | [Ammo] | you can check on there |
| 14:09.00 | zinor | can you link me to the one on wowi |
| 14:09.04 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 14:09.10 | AnduinLothar | oh yeah i just sent a msg off to your content guy to have mine swapped cause there was some confusion |
| 14:09.21 | [Ammo] | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5086 |
| 14:09.22 | zinor | thats one thing we added in the new site we're working on to, that ability to add other authors to a project |
| 14:09.38 | [Ammo] | my username on CG is Ammo as well |
| 14:09.39 | zinor | alright ill go update it |
| 14:09.42 | [Ammo] | thanks man |
| 14:09.42 | zinor | alright |
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| 14:09.45 | zinor | np |
| 14:10.41 | AnduinLothar | wonder what this says |
| 14:10.42 | AnduinLothar | http://game.21cn.com/zhuanqu/wow/gl/hunter/2006/02/28/2483230.shtml |
| 14:10.53 | zinor | google translate it |
| 14:10.55 | zinor | :) |
| 14:11.06 | AnduinLothar | bablefish's bookmarked |
| 14:11.46 | zinor | hrm Andalia |
| 14:11.48 | zinor | err AnduinLothar |
| 14:11.59 | zinor | you are damagemeters author now? |
| 14:12.04 | AnduinLothar | aye |
| 14:12.07 | zinor | wow some of these are 2 weeks old |
| 14:12.19 | zinor | ok ammo, go to the page on curse, where bigwigs is, and click request access or whatever the link is labeled |
| 14:12.27 | [Ammo] | ok |
| 14:12.34 | Kirkburn | Ooh, who updated wowace.com? Much better with the wiki as the front page :) |
| 14:12.34 | AnduinLothar | ya your addons take forever to transfer authorship and almost as long to approve |
| 14:12.43 | zinor | they're instant approval now |
| 14:12.46 | [Ammo] | got a javascript error |
| 14:12.50 | AnduinLothar | orly? |
| 14:12.53 | [Ammo] | and the (id) sn't filled in now |
| 14:12.56 | AnduinLothar | when did now start? |
| 14:13.21 | zinor | 2 weeks ago |
| 14:13.22 | [Ammo] | is that supposed to be like that zinor? |
| 14:13.25 | zinor | hrm one sec ammo |
| 14:13.32 | zinor | can you give me the page link to it on cg |
| 14:13.35 | AnduinLothar | zomg.. i found a chatbar tutorial in german.. |
| 14:14.06 | [Ammo] | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/requestaccess-4356.html |
| 14:14.19 | [Ammo] | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4356-bigwigs.html |
| 14:15.09 | zinor | hrm |
| 14:15.12 | Kirkburn | Y'know what annoys me if when I do a serach for ClearFont and find that people are saying that ClearFont is crashing WoW for them - but don't actually file a bug report with me :/ |
| 14:15.22 | zinor | that first link, just type some gibberish in the box and hit submit |
| 14:15.24 | zinor | it worked for me |
| 14:15.28 | [Ammo] | ok |
| 14:15.34 | Kirkburn | (never mind the fact that it doesn't crash WoW) |
| 14:15.43 | [Ammo] | I get a js error: name is null or undefined |
| 14:15.46 | [Ammo] | typing gibberish now :) |
| 14:15.49 | zinor | browser? |
| 14:15.57 | [Ammo] | IE |
| 14:15.59 | [Ammo] | will try with ff |
| 14:15.59 | KevICG | ick |
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| 14:16.13 | zinor | works in FF for me |
| 14:16.20 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: well, people always grasp at straws when they have problems. I have guildies accusing CTRA of being the cause of the server-side lag problem we're having |
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| 14:16.25 | zinor | id fix it, but the code is so horrible >.< it'd take me 2 hours just to find the issue in this mess hehe |
| 14:16.31 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, lol |
| 14:16.45 | [Ammo] | works in FF |
| 14:17.11 | Kirkburn | These are awesome vids for the new Rayman game: http://www.britishgaming.co.uk/?p=1252 |
| 14:17.21 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 14:17.24 | zinor | ok you should have control ammo |
| 14:17.28 | [Ammo] | cool |
| 14:17.56 | Cide | zenzelezz: it's true |
| 14:18.19 | Kirkburn | CTRA can cause server lag?? |
| 14:18.22 | zenzelezz | Cide: especially when the guilds that use alternative raid mobs experience the exact same problems |
| 14:18.29 | zenzelezz | *mods |
| 14:18.29 | zinor | ctra shouldnt i wouldnt think |
| 14:18.30 | Cide | Kirkburn: ;) |
| 14:18.35 | zinor | chat servers are dif servers arent they? |
| 14:18.45 | malreth | zinor: correct |
| 14:18.45 | Kirkburn | *cough*Where'sCTRA2*cough* |
| 14:18.51 | AnduinLothar | zinor: wanna be a pal and delete the DamageMeters 5.1.1 page and give me control of the orig one? |
| 14:18.57 | Cide | that's irrelevant |
| 14:18.57 | Cide | ctra doesn't send much info at all |
| 14:18.59 | zinor | i gave you control of both |
| 14:19.02 | Cide | in my pocket |
| 14:19.06 | AnduinLothar | ok, that works |
| 14:19.08 | zinor | you should be able to delete it |
| 14:19.10 | zinor | if not let me know |
| 14:19.12 | malreth | you'd get disconnected from the server before you could do any harm, anyways |
| 14:19.23 | Kirkburn | It's not irrelevant, it's a hippopotamus! |
| 14:19.48 | zenzelezz | are you saying CTRA2 will be bloated Kirk? |
| 14:19.49 | Cide | malreth: maybe.. if I could get an active server to start spamming on prime time... |
| 14:19.52 | AnduinLothar | The fact that my list is by initial upload dte and not alphabetical makes me want to stab things btw |
| 14:20.03 | AnduinLothar | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/profile-502.html |
| 14:20.08 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, haha, sorry ooold joke |
| 14:20.12 | zinor | hrm |
| 14:20.26 | zinor | thats an easy fix, but we're in the process of moving some servers so svn is down on beta atm |
| 14:20.30 | zinor | and i dont wanna update it w/ svn down |
| 14:20.32 | Kirkburn | I'm off swimming |
| 14:20.40 | Cide | hve fun Kirkburn|afk |
| 14:20.41 | AnduinLothar | cause... when i have to scroll to find my addons... |
| 14:20.48 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.48 | Kirkburn|afk | :) See ya'll |
| 14:20.57 | zinor | dont worry |
| 14:21.00 | zinor | launching beta of the new site this week :D |
| 14:21.23 | zinor | we decided as soon as the wiki is ready (so users can actually do something besides test various features) on the new site, we'll do the opening public beta |
| 14:23.02 | Cairenn | morning guys |
| 14:23.07 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 14:23.26 | zinor | afternoon :) |
| 14:23.39 | malreth | morning Cairenn. sleep well? |
| 14:23.57 | Cairenn | malreth: aye |
| 14:24.13 | JoshBorke | moirning Cairenn |
| 14:28.35 | AnduinLothar | so... how do i go about deleting an addon of mine zinor? |
| 14:28.50 | krka | rm -rf addonDirectory |
| 14:28.59 | AnduinLothar | from cg |
| 14:29.57 | Cairenn | zeeg, by all means, don't let me showing up in channel stop you from carrying on |
| 14:30.15 | JoshBorke | AL: su -c 'rm -rf /' |
| 14:30.23 | AnduinLothar | not helping |
| 14:30.45 | Mikma | sudo rm -rf |
| 14:31.22 | AnduinLothar | it's ironing that after my list of my 30 some addon links there's a link to "Learn how to submit an addon" |
| 14:31.27 | AnduinLothar | ironic* |
| 14:31.50 | krka | yeah, there should totally be a "learn to spell" link instead ;) |
| 14:32.01 | AnduinLothar | boui oub v?Ô ¨nip ip'ouhÓ??? |
| 14:32.16 | AnduinLothar | l2sleep more like.. |
| 14:32.38 | AnduinLothar | ironing is a word... just not the word i wanted.. |
| 14:32.48 | AnduinLothar | l2read |
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| 14:35.10 | Beladona | poin! |
| 14:35.14 | Beladona | err poing even |
| 14:35.19 | Cairenn | lol |
| 14:35.29 | Cairenn | combo ping & pong? |
| 14:35.29 | Beladona | poin, new yorkers porn? |
| 14:35.34 | Beladona | oh |
| 14:35.47 | AnduinLothar | >.< |
| 14:39.08 | Cairenn | later AnduinLothar |
| 14:39.46 | zinor | AnduinLothar, ill go delete it, the 5.11 one right |
| 14:40.13 | Beladona | what the |
| 14:40.23 | AnduinLothar | right. I couldn't find any way to delete it as the author |
| 14:40.28 | Beladona | ms is charging $1.50 for download of the ms office 2007 beta 2 now? |
| 14:40.44 | zinor | really? |
| 14:40.53 | AnduinLothar | yeah, no link that i could see |
| 14:40.55 | Beladona | good thing I saved the beta 1 installers. I can install them and then update |
| 14:41.02 | AnduinLothar | otherwise i'd delete wTUneSkin too |
| 14:41.07 | zinor | err really to Beladona, but ya i guess there isnt Andalia |
| 14:41.11 | zinor | i can go delete those 2 for you if you want tho |
| 14:41.32 | AnduinLothar | should add one :P |
| 14:41.36 | zinor | err AnduinLothar |
| 14:41.36 | zinor | damnit |
| 14:41.48 | zinor | you want both those deleted? |
| 14:42.10 | AnduinLothar | lemme see if there's any more that aren't being updated |
| 14:42.28 | AnduinLothar | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-659-wtunes-skin.html |
| 14:42.33 | AnduinLothar | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-5149-damagemetersal-511.html |
| 14:42.50 | AnduinLothar | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-1153-sky.html |
| 14:42.55 | AnduinLothar | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-1369-meteorologist.html |
| 14:43.01 | AnduinLothar | might as well delete those too |
| 14:43.15 | zinor | sky's gone? |
| 14:43.27 | Cairenn | lol |
| 14:43.27 | AnduinLothar | yeah. replaced by Telepathy |
| 14:43.33 | AnduinLothar | it fell |
| 14:44.00 | zinor | and meteorologist |
| 14:44.08 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 14:44.11 | AnduinLothar | was dependant on sky |
| 14:44.28 | zinor | so why not make it dependent on telepathy? :P |
| 14:44.45 | zinor | oh |
| 14:44.58 | AnduinLothar | not the same paradigm. I'm writing a new mod to do something similar |
| 14:45.12 | AnduinLothar | but it's not finished and will ahev a diff name |
| 14:45.18 | zinor | ok they're removed |
| 14:45.39 | AnduinLothar | might as well remve ChannelManager too i think |
| 14:46.16 | AnduinLothar | meh... |
| 14:46.33 | AnduinLothar | leave it. I'll have it deleted later. maybe it'll inspire me to rewrite it |
| 14:46.42 | zinor | alright |
| 14:47.10 | AnduinLothar | after i rewrite Earth prolly.. |
| 14:47.22 | AnduinLothar | and make Khaos standalone.. |
| 14:47.32 | zinor | big todo list |
| 14:47.38 | AnduinLothar | and finish making Sea embeddable |
| 14:47.56 | AnduinLothar | and rewrite wardrobe to use my WearMe lib |
| 14:48.16 | AnduinLothar | and fix Archaeologist from showing the damn target debuffs |
| 14:48.56 | AnduinLothar | and fix IsCasting to work correctly on channeling spells.. |
| 14:49.19 | AnduinLothar | and get some sleep.. |
| 14:49.52 | zinor | ciao |
| 14:54.08 | Beladona | brb, must to be rebooting |
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| 14:54.22 | warla | howdy |
| 14:54.32 | Cairenn | hi warla |
| 14:55.17 | warla | <3 the tips i got in here for the "missing recipes/plans" thingy i'm working on :-) |
| 14:55.44 | warla | i leeched all info off Allakhazam about the tradeskills and tossed the bogus stuff thats in there |
| 14:55.48 | Cairenn | it's a good channel to hang in if you're serious about improving your code |
| 14:55.55 | warla | and made a xml file with it :-) |
| 14:56.15 | warla | the tips people gave me about only showing missing recipes for your current skill level is awesome :-) |
| 14:56.31 | warla | it now shows only the missing recipes you can learn at your current skill level |
| 14:56.49 | warla | i even included branches |
| 14:57.01 | warla | so a goblin engineer wont see the gnomish schematics and vice versa |
| 14:57.02 | warla | :-) |
| 14:57.37 | Cairenn | good stuff :) |
| 14:57.57 | Mikma | what'cha think of my new avatar? http://mikma.reaktio.net/avatar.jpg |
| 14:58.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 14:58.40 | Mikma | hehe. kidding. this is my new avatar: http://mikma.reaktio.net/wagner.jpg |
| 14:58.59 | warla | tonight i try to make the PReferences dialog for my UI mod... makes me wanna puke :-/ |
| 14:59.08 | zenzelezz | is it just me or are the EU forums down? |
| 14:59.23 | Cairenn | US are (too?) |
| 14:59.32 | warla | i so dont like doing stuff in lua yet... that propably switches once i completely understand stuff haha |
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| 15:08.31 | malreth | bbl |
| 15:13.00 | Kaelten | ~seen cladhaire |
| 15:13.09 | purl | cladhaire <n=jnwhiteh@cpe-69-202-110-177.twcny.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 4d 19h 13m 17s ago, saying: 'Bye everyone!'. |
| 15:13.12 | Cairenn | morning Kaelten |
| 15:13.17 | Kaelten | morning ciar :) |
| 15:13.19 | Kaelten | err Cair:) |
| 15:15.13 | Beladona | clad went overseas didn't he? |
| 15:15.30 | Cairenn | yes, to England, should be back in the US sometime today, iirc |
| 15:15.58 | Cairenn | when he'll actually show back up in channels, however ... /shrug |
| 15:16.47 | Beladona | probably when he is back to work |
| 15:17.20 | Cairenn | well, it's work that he figures will keep him out of the channels for the first few days ;) |
| 15:17.47 | Cairenn | he's betting he gets sucked into a giant black hole for a bit, till he gets caught up |
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| 15:24.00 | Beladona | boy do I know that feeling |
| 15:24.07 | Beladona | tis why I rarely take vacations |
| 15:24.30 | Beladona | and why I currently have 4 weeks of it built up, and can't accrue any more till use some =\ |
| 15:25.14 | TS|Skrom | zomg I have trouble keeping 3 days available so I can take off my birthday week |
| 15:25.40 | TS|Skrom | (birthday always falls in thanksgiving week usually and we get thurs and friday off from work already so I take mon-wed off every year) |
| 15:29.30 | Beladona | brb, again. nother reboot. Stupid office 2007 beta |
| 15:30.02 | Osagasu | So BC is WoW 2.0 after all. |
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| 15:41.20 | Corrodias | this was linked me on my guild's forum: http://wally.pgbco.com/albums/others/wow.jpg |
| 15:43.00 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 15:43.42 | TS|Skrom | "I'll Show you PvP bitch!" |
| 15:43.43 | TS|Skrom | haha |
| 15:44.03 | TS|Skrom | Remember kids, spousal abuse is only funny in comics. |
| 15:44.42 | Corrodias | or if you use livestock |
| 15:45.27 | Kaso | i'd quite like to see the source for that |
| 15:45.38 | zenzelezz | if you have livestock for a spouse, you have other problems than abuse |
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| 15:50.07 | TS|Skrom | I'm unsure of something, but I'm sure one of you can help: How do you hook things like clicking on a unit frame? Say I want to trap clicks on the player portrait, what's the procedure for that? |
| 15:51.40 | Kaso | hook PartyMemberFrame_OnClick ? |
| 15:52.02 | TS|Skrom | I guess what I'm asking... is how did you come by that info on what to hook |
| 15:52.25 | TS|Skrom | That's the part of coding I don't get yet. I can do stuff when i create teh frames np, but how do I use what's already there? |
| 15:52.51 | Kaso | do you have the Blizzard interface extractor ? |
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| 15:53.08 | TS|Skrom | not at work... but I have the wdn.wowinterface.com site |
| 15:53.40 | Cairenn | :) |
| 15:54.05 | Kaso | well, basically you think, What do you want to hook, then search through the Default UI code for that part till you find a function which fits :> |
| 15:54.26 | TS|Skrom | I see... okay I'm looking in unitframe.lua would that be a good start? |
| 15:56.31 | TS|Skrom | I found PlayerFrame_OnClick... that would work for me.. okay, now I think I understand, thanks! |
| 15:56.52 | Kirkburn1 | This is awesome: Weird Al's new song "Don't download this song": http://youtube.com/watch?v=4IdnpXjs1m8 |
| 15:57.00 | Kirkburn1 | (it's free to download btw) |
| 15:57.09 | Kaso | Well as far as i remeber UnitFrame is the more general form, from which PlayerFrame, PartyMemberFrame, TargetFrame etc branch off |
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| 15:59.52 | TS|Skrom | how does that work if they are using an alternate unit frames like perl or discord? |
| 16:00.07 | TS|Skrom | do the hooks still work the same for the most part or is that up to the writer of the unit frames? |
| 16:00.21 | TS|Skrom | or is there something I have to do special for each type of unit frame to make it work? |
| 16:01.00 | Kaso | I'd guess you'd have to make work for each unitframe mod |
| 16:01.29 | TS|Skrom | personally i use x-perl and there's a checkmark on there to allow third party clicks... |
| 16:01.47 | TS|Skrom | so I'd assume I wouldn't have to do anything special there... but maybe for others.. hrm.. |
| 16:05.16 | TS|Skrom | er... I'm confused again |
| 16:05.34 | TS|Skrom | I can't seem to find the equivalent of RaidMemberFrame_OnClick |
| 16:10.15 | TS|Skrom | oh found it, the blizzard raid ui lol |
| 16:11.59 | Kaso | yah thats sepeated off |
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| 16:14.45 | tyroney | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 16:14.46 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 16:19.06 | Industrial | purl, emulate Industrial is also It doesnt matter if you win or lose, until you lose. |
| 16:19.08 | purl | okay, Industrial |
| 16:19.20 | Industrial | ~literal emulate Industrial |
| 16:19.21 | purl | "emulate industrial" is "<reply>(Ogm teh tpyoas! Mroe ceffein pls!|and now I'm high o/|omgz wat uf in dat ui?!?!1123|Woo, first day at school. Stoned!) || It doesnt matter if you winlose, until you lose." |
| 16:19.41 | Industrial | wth |
| 16:19.42 | Industrial | :| |
| 16:19.49 | Industrial | bleh bbl getting lasagna |
| 16:19.53 | Industrial | :P~~~~ |
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| 16:33.08 | TS|Skrom | Fanaticism - Increases the critical strike chance of all judgments that can crit by 15%... |
| 16:33.31 | TS|Skrom | yay... righteousness and command will have their piddly judgment damage doubled 15% more often |
| 16:33.33 | wereHamster | does anyone know a cli app that can create torrent files |
| 16:33.42 | TS|Skrom | oops... wt. |
| 16:33.47 | TS|Skrom | damn, talking in the wrong channel again |
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| 16:41.22 | zinor` | can someone test something for me real fast |
| 16:41.23 | Mikk | wereHamster: By "CLI" do you mean win32 console or do you mean unix? |
| 16:41.31 | Mikk | zinor`: sure |
| 16:41.57 | zinor` | Mikk, http://www.cursebeta.com:8080/accounts/login/ - login to your cg account first |
| 16:42.02 | zinor` | and then |
| 16:42.16 | zinor` | http://www.cursebeta.com:8080/wiki/edit/index/ |
| 16:42.18 | zinor` | tell me what that page says |
| 16:42.21 | zinor` | it should error |
| 16:42.49 | Kirkburn | zinor' Spelling error! "Don't have an account yet?" |
| 16:43.11 | Kirkburn | Someone copy+pasted into the wrong place :P |
| 16:43.23 | zinor` | hrm |
| 16:43.49 | Mikk | zinor': on a related note, i've forgotten my account name it seems, but i can't create a new account. says "you are already logged in" when i try to create a new one. |
| 16:44.03 | zinor` | fixed now i think |
| 16:44.06 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 16:44.06 | zinor` | hrm |
| 16:44.22 | zinor` | does it show the logout button up top now? |
| 16:44.27 | zinor` | or still login box |
| 16:44.38 | Kirkburn | I can't login |
| 16:44.59 | zinor` | does it take you to a page to update your account info or anything? |
| 16:45.00 | zinor` | or just error |
| 16:45.47 | Mikk | "It seems you already have an account, . If you are not then you may wish to logout and try again." <- that's it |
| 16:45.51 | Kirkburn | Just keeps telling me "Your username and password didn't match. Please try again." |
| 16:45.58 | Mikk | "logout" is a link. clicking it doesn't help. |
| 16:46.18 | zinor` | hrm |
| 16:46.34 | zinor` | Mikk, at the very top of the page still shows the login form tho right, in the search bar |
| 16:46.50 | |FF|Im2good4u | can any1 help me whit some hooking whit GetScript/SetScript ? |
| 16:46.56 | Kirkburn | Wait, now I can't log in to the normal site! |
| 16:47.08 | zinor` | k thats your fault then :P |
| 16:47.17 | Kirkburn | It makes no sense though |
| 16:47.18 | zinor` | you must be using wrong user and/or pass |
| 16:47.24 | Kaso | |FF|Im2good4u what do you want to do? |
| 16:47.24 | zinor` | the beta site is an entirely dif db |
| 16:47.34 | zinor` | oh wait |
| 16:47.40 | Kirkburn | My username is Kirkburn, but I know my password |
| 16:47.50 | zinor` | ok nvm |
| 16:47.52 | Kirkburn | riiight |
| 16:47.55 | zinor` | i can see why you cant login on beta |
| 16:48.02 | Kirkburn | I'm in to the normal site now, time to try the beta :) |
| 16:48.06 | zinor` | try the lost pass function on curse site |
| 16:48.09 | zinor` | ok try registering on cursebeta |
| 16:48.16 | zinor` | (link at top of the page) |
| 16:48.21 | zinor` | and then go to http://www.cursebeta.com:8080/wiki/edit/index/ |
| 16:48.22 | Kirkburn | Lol, now I'm: It seems you already have an account, . If you are not then you may wish to logout and try again. |
| 16:48.22 | Mikk | that register button does not work |
| 16:48.26 | zinor` | hrm |
| 16:48.38 | zinor` | hrm |
| 16:48.39 | Mikk | it immediately displays that message that kirkburn just pasted |
| 16:48.45 | Mikk | no forms no nothing |
| 16:48.52 | zinor` | ah i see |
| 16:48.53 | zinor` | one moment |
| 16:49.31 | Kirkburn | btw the drop-down box next to the Search box is too small, not tall enough |
| 16:49.34 | Mikk | fwiw, i just wiped cookies. didn't help. |
| 16:49.46 | zinor` | ya this is still rough draft |
| 16:49.49 | zinor` | ya one sec mikk i see it now too |
| 16:50.01 | Kirkburn | Veyr nice for a rough draft! |
| 16:50.05 | Kirkburn | *very :) |
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| 16:50.06 | |FF|Im2good4u | oww hi' |
| 16:50.08 | Mikk | Kirkburn: get a sane browser already :-P |
| 16:50.20 | PKPN | hi peeps |
| 16:50.29 | PKPN | I have a question about the wow interface |
| 16:50.49 | Kirkburn | Btw, Mikk, check out: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Kirkburn :) |
| 16:51.42 | PKPN | I customize my chat bars to show main chat, guild/party chat and combat chat in 3 different windows - but the customized chat windows disappears from time to time. Sometimes 4 times within an hour other times 1 time a day. Does anyone know about this problem? |
| 16:51.54 | Kirkburn | Apart from that drop-down box, it looks perfect in IE7 zinor :) |
| 16:52.19 | Kirkburn | PKPN, do you use any chat area modifying addons? |
| 16:52.29 | zinor` | fixed the problem you can try now |
| 16:52.39 | PKPN | I don't think so Kirkburn. I only use cosmos |
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| 16:53.05 | TS|Skrom | PKPN this is a known problem |
| 16:53.15 | TS|Skrom | happens to people at random they don't know why yet |
| 16:53.19 | Kirkburn | With WoW, not Cosmos |
| 16:53.20 | PKPN | yeah I heard others from my guild have the same problem |
| 16:53.31 | TS|Skrom | some people it's never happened to (me being one) |
| 16:53.43 | PKPN | it happens to me all the time.. |
| 16:53.46 | PKPN | very annoying |
| 16:53.47 | TS|Skrom | it's not an interface thing (apart from something wrong with the default in certain situations) |
| 16:53.50 | Mikk | zinor`: regging.... |
| 16:54.03 | zinor` | ok |
| 16:54.08 | PKPN | so, there's no solution to this "bug" yet? |
| 16:54.18 | TS|Skrom | nope |
| 16:54.48 | Kirkburn | nub :) |
| 16:55.58 | Mikk | zinor`: what's the correct mail confirmation URL on the beta site? |
| 16:56.01 | zenzelezz | I find my Gmail's spam folder funny |
| 16:56.04 | Mikk | tried just changing the domain but no loving |
| 16:56.15 | Gryphen | "It seems you already have an account, Ryan. If you are not Ryan then you may wish to logout and try again. |
| 16:56.15 | Gryphen | " |
| 16:56.16 | zenzelezz | it fills real fast, but it's like only two different mails... always the same junk |
| 16:56.31 | TS|Skrom | |FF|Im2good4u what's the question, just ask, someone will help |
| 16:56.50 | |FF|Im2good4u | i already got myzelf a private sepport :p |
| 16:56.57 | TS|Skrom | ahh :) |
| 16:56.59 | zinor` | can you show me the link (it doesnt matter who confirms your account for you so the link is secure) |
| 16:57.08 | zinor` | i think |
| 16:57.11 | zinor` | maybe pm me just in case |
| 16:57.12 | zinor` | lol |
| 16:57.18 | Mikk | ah wait |
| 16:57.20 | Mikk | i got it |
| 16:57.29 | Mikk | change the mail you send out so there isn't a period after the url |
| 16:57.38 | Mikk | my mail reader put the period in the url |
| 16:58.06 | zinor` | ah |
| 16:58.12 | zinor` | fixed |
| 16:58.38 | Mikk | "It seems you already have an account, Mikk. If you are not Mikk then you may wish to logout and try again." |
| 16:58.45 | Mikk | ohwell. logged in. |
| 16:59.02 | zinor` | lol |
| 16:59.11 | zinor` | rought draft! :) |
| 16:59.13 | zinor` | *rough |
| 16:59.15 | MentalPower|Univ | any ofyou guys use flowcharts to design programs? |
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| 16:59.29 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 16:59.37 | Industrial | not really |
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| 16:59.53 | MentalPower|Univ | thats what I thought |
| 17:00.12 | Industrial | there arent many types of parts in addons that need to be managed |
| 17:00.14 | Mikk | zinor`: "Insufficient Access. You do not have the required access to view this page." |
| 17:00.14 | MentalPower|Univ | professor is trying totell us otherwise |
| 17:00.19 | Mikk | (at the wiki edit page) |
| 17:00.25 | zinor` | alright good, now to just setup default privs :D |
| 17:00.37 | Industrial | MentalPower|Univ, well Im sure hes not talking about addons :P |
| 17:00.45 | Mikk | MentalPower|Univ: It happens when you're dealing with complex state machines. |
| 17:00.50 | Mikk | But that's like 1% of cases in my experience. |
| 17:00.50 | Beladona | curse wiki? |
| 17:00.58 | Industrial | MentalPower|Univ, I want your class, I want to be taught in programming :( |
| 17:01.03 | Gryphen | yet another wiki :D |
| 17:01.09 | Mikk | Industrial: No you don't. They don't teach you anything useful. |
| 17:01.11 | zinor` | Beladona, ya we're using it for our content pages |
| 17:01.14 | zinor` | Gryphen, its custom built :P |
| 17:01.17 | zinor` | just started it like 2 hours ago |
| 17:01.26 | Industrial | Mikk, but I cant even learn object oriented programming by myself |
| 17:01.38 | Mikk | Pftsk. Sure you can. |
| 17:01.40 | Industrial | Mikk, I understand it but I cant design with it :P |
| 17:01.56 | Mikk | School won't teach you to do that. |
| 17:01.57 | Qzot | I love the new WoW fora. |
| 17:02.05 | Industrial | If I try its a just a fanct schmancy encasing for my normal code |
| 17:02.17 | Qzot | All the "Server is busy, please try again later."s you could ever want. |
| 17:02.21 | Mikk | They'll teach you that there's a base class "Mammal", that can have an inherited class "Dog", with the instantiated object "Fido" |
| 17:02.26 | Mikk | They don't teach you how to do anything useful |
| 17:02.34 | Mikk | Experience > all |
| 17:02.38 | Industrial | ive passed that station :P |
| 17:03.13 | Mikk | Well.. imo, there's plenty of code that doesn't need to be OOed in any given app, but people OO it anyway |
| 17:03.25 | Mikk | I mean.. what you want to actually OO are your _objects_ |
| 17:03.53 | Beladona | I don't see a need to OO, unless it shortens your code, and makes it modular |
| 17:04.01 | zinor` | anyways, thanks Mikk, back tow ork now :D |
| 17:04.02 | Mikk | But again, if you don't do anything inheritance-like, it doesn't even matter if you OO or not |
| 17:04.03 | KevICG | it's just for consistency. if you're going to do something OO, you may as well do it all |
| 17:04.16 | Mikk | Pff |
| 17:04.32 | Mikk | You always end up with horrible hacks when you try to OO functions that are global utilities |
| 17:04.57 | Beladona | it depends. I have seen OO actualy make code more of a mess, than if you just made it non-OO |
| 17:04.58 | Industrial | :bufdo %s/// |
| 17:04.59 | Industrial | :P |
| 17:05.00 | KevICG | if you have a lot of global utilities it's arguable that you should even be thinking about OO |
| 17:05.04 | Mikk | Beladona: My point exactly. |
| 17:05.44 | Mikk | That said, I love OOing my actual _objects_ |
| 17:05.48 | KevICG | code can be a mess OO or otherwise. IMO it's usually the difference between good design and bad design, OO has little to do with it |
| 17:06.25 | Mikk | That's also very true =) |
| 17:07.00 | Beladona | true, but someone who tries to OO everything, when they really don't understand the purpose of OO, is just going to make a mess |
| 17:07.01 | Mikk | But every time someone refuses to create a global variable, and instead puts all his global variables in a class that gets instantiated once and only once, god kills a kitten. |
| 17:07.12 | KevICG | I used to do maintenance on retail register code that had already been in maintenance for going on 10 years. You wanna talk about a god awful freaking mess... |
| 17:07.24 | Mikk | Muahaha |
| 17:07.31 | Industrial | Well OO or not, when looking at my addons I only see hacks to solve problems; little bits of code that do only one thing. I do use functions for reusing code but thats about it. Is that all there is? there must be more to learn.. (OO being the obvious case) |
| 17:07.31 | Mikk | Different consluttants each year, eh? =) |
| 17:07.36 | Industrial | but what, where, etc :> |
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| 17:08.01 | Mikk | It really depends on complexity and code reuse |
| 17:08.19 | Mikk | For the average addon, OO doesn't make any sense, really |
| 17:08.19 | KevICG | it depends Industrial, not all problems are solvable by using OO. It does nicely encapsulate your code, and it allows for a lot of code re-use IF you have a good heirarchical model |
| 17:08.37 | Mikk | For libraries like Ace... it makes lots of sense, because then you can use OO functionality to extend base classes. |
| 17:08.42 | Kaelten | back |
| 17:09.31 | KevICG | ui in general is usually very spiffy for OO. most UI objects share a lot of properties, methods and fit well into a hierarchy |
| 17:09.39 | MentalPower|Univ | Industrial: 5mins late, but youreally don't want to be in this class |
| 17:10.01 | Industrial | =P |
| 17:10.12 | Beladona | fun is: designing a branch office model, and coming up with a strategy for splitting an existing network into two branch offices + datacenter |
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| 17:10.21 | Beladona | which is what I am doing now =( |
| 17:11.40 | Kirkburn | Disconnects, they always come at the most annoying moments :( |
| 17:12.09 | KevICG | I'd venture a theory that annoying moments are often caused by disconnects |
| 17:12.32 | Kirkburn | KevICG, you've got me there :) |
| 17:13.22 | Mikk | Beladona: fun! |
| 17:13.37 | Mikk | Given resources and time |
| 17:13.42 | Beladona | right |
| 17:13.49 | Mikk | Which, of course, usually are not given :-P |
| 17:13.59 | Kirkburn | Mikk pay attention to your PMs, dammit ;) |
| 17:14.15 | tyroney|work | Just buy a bunch of T1s, get some switches, and plug a bunch of stuff in. Simple. ;) |
| 17:14.26 | jaxdahl | hey Kirkburn |
| 17:14.34 | jaxdahl | i see you removed the horde indicator for deadmines? |
| 17:14.40 | jaxdahl | saying it's 'not an horde instance'? |
| 17:14.45 | Qzot | Server is busy, please try again. |
| 17:14.51 | Kirkburn | Well yes, it's not |
| 17:14.55 | Beladona | well, the problem is, no one understands the technical issues and scope of such a project. They just see the end-product as being *magically* done and working good. So they think oh yeah, he can come up with something in 2 days... |
| 17:14.59 | zenzelezz | do horde bother going to Deadmines? |
| 17:15.01 | Mikk | Kirkburn: grr, i'm being PMd by half the netowrk or something :P |
| 17:15.04 | jaxdahl | well, shoudln't you remove the alliance icon for wailing caverns? |
| 17:15.07 | jaxdahl | yes zenzelezz |
| 17:15.07 | Qzot | ^--Does that usually mean that the server got your post, but can't display the fora, or did I just lose a bunch of typing? |
| 17:15.09 | Mikk | zenzelezz: if they're BG twinks, yes =) |
| 17:15.12 | jaxdahl | horde rogues |
| 17:15.15 | zenzelezz | twinks don't count ;) |
| 17:15.15 | jaxdahl | for defias set |
| 17:15.15 | tyroney|work | _2_ days? Wow. |
| 17:15.17 | Kirkburn | Are there alliance quests for Wailing caverns? |
| 17:15.19 | zenzelezz | they go anywhere |
| 17:15.24 | jaxdahl | Kirkburn, don't think so |
| 17:15.25 | Mikk | Kirkburn: 2 or 3 |
| 17:15.31 | Kirkburn | I'm going by quests and nothing else |
| 17:15.32 | jaxdahl | but alliance go there a lot for deviate fish |
| 17:15.36 | jaxdahl | ok |
| 17:15.37 | End | I imagine some of the quests are faction neutral |
| 17:15.42 | jaxdahl | was wondering what your criteria were |
| 17:15.44 | tyroney|work | Qzot: You can usually refresh and hit resubmit and not lose it. |
| 17:15.45 | Beladona | no they literally game me this project on friday |
| 17:15.55 | Beladona | and came in yesterday to ask if I had prices, and numbers |
| 17:15.56 | Mikk | Kirkburn: Some from ... aeuh.. the goblin place on the coast... Then there's the quests from the guys in the eye above the mouth. |
| 17:15.58 | Beladona | lol |
| 17:16.02 | Qzot | tyroney: Ugh. Gotta love the new forums. |
| 17:16.06 | Kirkburn | Ratchet :P |
| 17:16.12 | tyroney|work | 1emulate cogwheel |
| 17:16.18 | Mikk | Kirkburn: And then there's the end quest in the dungeon of course - kill all bosses, pop the guy, follow him in to kill the ubermurloc |
| 17:16.21 | Kirkburn | If we start taking other factors into account, all instances are for all sides :P |
| 17:16.22 | Mikk | Mutanus or whatshisface |
| 17:16.28 | tyroney|work | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 17:16.38 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 17:16.44 | Mikk | But yeah going to WC is definitely a good idea for alliance |
| 17:16.51 | Beladona | I can't wait for the new end-game instances in the expansion. The prospect of no more 40 mans is awesome |
| 17:16.57 | Beladona | makes planning raids that much easier |
| 17:17.01 | Mikk | Speaking of whihc, i need to level my toon a few more levels then it's WC time |
| 17:17.10 | KevICG | beladona: there's a great Dilbert where the pointy haired boss starts with "I'm going to assume that anything I don't understand is easy to do". "Design a global networking protocol and implementation in 5 minutes". |
| 17:17.13 | tyroney|work | I've always sort of wanted to run RFC with my alliance characters. |
| 17:17.25 | Beladona | lol |
| 17:17.32 | jaxdahl | tyroney|work, i have, lol. |
| 17:17.44 | End | mmmm....hotpocket |
| 17:18.16 | tyroney|work | Time to get the mail, and dodge all the people trying to tell me there's no coffee. (cursed vendors) |
| 17:18.43 | Beladona | I need to order that t-shirt |
| 17:18.49 | Beladona | "Yes I read your email" |
| 17:23.49 | Beladona | omg, so true |
| 17:23.50 | Beladona | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/7029/ |
| 17:26.00 | Kirkburn | haha |
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| 17:41.57 | KevICG | I'm just curious (and a noob at this), I'm looking through Ace's documentation and it seems fairly extensive and easy to use. Are there any other ace like development kits I should also be looking at? |
| 17:46.47 | JoshBorke | KevICG: I know that AnduinLothar works on Sea and also various other libraries |
| 17:48.49 | JoshBorke | i don't like the Ace libraries as much because they require pretty much all portions of the Ace library whereas AL's libraries are more individualized |
| 17:49.12 | JoshBorke | which is why i sit straddling the fence :-D |
| 17:49.19 | KevICG | on one hand I'd like to avoid re-inventing the wheel, but on the other hand I also don't like being dependent on other folk's code any more than needed |
| 17:49.52 | Gryphen | both are well updated |
| 17:49.54 | KevICG | I'll check out sea as well |
| 17:50.08 | JoshBorke | yes, both are well updated |
| 17:50.51 | KevICG | the lack of documentation on ace 2.0 is a little irksome though |
| 17:51.29 | JoshBorke | what do you mean? |
| 17:51.37 | JoshBorke | have you seen the wiki? |
| 17:52.07 | Kirkburn | By which he means http://wowace.com/index.php/Ace2 |
| 17:52.54 | KevICG | ahh, nice. see if you go to the main site and click on the 2.0 link it just gives you the blank page sign |
| 17:53.04 | Gryphen | Sea and others here http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Function_Libraries |
| 17:53.50 | Kirkburn | KevICG, no it doesn't |
| 17:53.58 | Kirkburn | Not for me, anyway |
| 17:54.28 | Kirkburn | The main page of http://www.wowace.com/ is the wiki |
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| 17:54.50 | JoshBorke | wb Iriel |
| 17:56.09 | Kirkburn | Hmm, http://svn.wowace.com/files/ seems to be unavailable |
| 17:56.27 | Iriel | I am not a ship! |
| 17:56.41 | JoshBorke | it appears the SVN is down... |
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| 17:58.56 | JoshBorke | boat for 500 alex |
| 18:00.08 | Beladona | right you are ken |
| 18:00.57 | Mikma | mm |
| 18:01.02 | Mikma | anyone knows Curse admins? |
| 18:01.44 | zenzelezz | I know many people who curse at admins |
| 18:01.53 | Iriel | They show up here sometimes, NeT for sure |
| 18:02.11 | Mikma | zinor`: is this a good addonname? http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-5170-1-ignasia-fuck-off.html |
| 18:02.33 | Shadowed | he maybe afk :p |
| 18:02.33 | KevICG | kickburn: the "blank page" i was referring to was the one a bit further down the page for the "AceGUI for Ace 2.x" |
| 18:02.53 | Mikma | hope he has highlighting / log ;) |
| 18:04.15 | deeza | Hello everyone, I'm looking to learn more about LUA. I'm experienced in C++ and have a good knowledge of other languages. I was wondering what would be the best way for me to start out, any tutorials/sites i can look at? Let me know. |
| 18:04.17 | JoshBorke | KevICG: there is no AceGUI for Ace2 yet |
| 18:04.41 | Beladona | has no one made an ace library for config gui creation? |
| 18:05.01 | JoshBorke | i think Thrae or Tem or tekkub is working on it |
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| 18:05.06 | JoshBorke | i can never keep the T people straight |
| 18:05.20 | krka | deeza: read the PIL, it's really good |
| 18:05.27 | krka | http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 18:05.31 | TS|Skrom | darnit, boss is back from lunch.. i have to pretend to work again |
| 18:06.38 | JoshBorke | Industrial: any chance of getting idUnitWatch parented to UIParent? |
| 18:06.48 | KevICG | Josh: fair 'nuff |
| 18:06.53 | Industrial | JoshBorke, isnt it? |
| 18:07.06 | JoshBorke | Industrial: i dunno when i last updated mine, but the one i have isn't |
| 18:07.25 | Industrial | svn is down atm |
| 18:07.29 | JoshBorke | indeed |
| 18:07.41 | Industrial | add a SetParent() ? |
| 18:07.41 | Industrial | :p |
| 18:08.00 | Industrial | I dont use it anymore tbh :( |
| 18:08.02 | JoshBorke | yea, when i get home i will |
| 18:08.06 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 18:08.16 | JoshBorke | that's ok :-) as long as you're happy with your setup :_) |
| 18:16.01 | TS|Skrom | Trying to better understand function hooking... http://wowi.pastey.net/766 can someone explain? |
| 18:17.28 | Mikma | if you click left on playerframe you will get message "left button" |
| 18:17.29 | Iriel | It's the unpack(arg) it doesn't like, because you did (button) and not (...) in your function's parameter list |
| 18:17.56 | TS|Skrom | can you explain what the implications of each of those are? |
| 18:18.04 | TS|Skrom | what does (...) mean exactly? |
| 18:18.12 | KevICG | variable arguments I believe |
| 18:18.16 | krka | ... means all the rest of the parameters |
| 18:18.34 | TS|Skrom | so it just passes everything as a whole |
| 18:18.34 | TS|Skrom | I see |
| 18:19.02 | Cide | as a *table*, I might add |
| 18:19.06 | Cide | (in lua 5.0) |
| 18:20.12 | krka | short summary: function a(x,y,z, ...) return arg[2] end print(a(1,2,3,4,5,6)) will print 5 |
| 18:21.13 | TS|Skrom | so in my conditional I should do if(arg[1] == "LeftButton") |
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| 18:24.21 | Tem | yay an interesting class |
| 18:24.23 | Tem | finaly |
| 18:27.59 | krka | someone will probably correct me now, but i'm not sure you receive any arguments for hooks like that |
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| 18:28.50 | Iriel | You receive whatever the original would have received |
| 18:28.55 | Iriel | it all depends on how the original is called |
| 18:29.18 | Iriel | some of the blizzard script handlers do stuff like: <Script><OnBlah>SomeFrame_Blah(arg1)</OnBlah></Script> |
| 18:30.38 | krka | yeah, that's what i meant |
| 18:30.57 | krka | i think some of the blizzard handlers get parameters, but not sure which |
| 18:31.16 | Kirov | handlers don't get parameters |
| 18:31.20 | Kirov | not directly |
| 18:31.22 | krka | in my defense, i haven't coded against blizz api for a long time |
| 18:31.38 | krka | anyway TS|Skrom, you might want to try the globals arg1, arg2, ... et.c. |
| 18:31.39 | Kirov | SomeFrame_Blah(arg1) is passing the global arg1 value |
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| 18:31.49 | zinor` | lol Mikk, thanks |
| 18:31.53 | zinor` | err Mikma |
| 18:33.17 | TS|Skrom | http://wowi.pastey.net/767 -- This is doing exactly what I hoped it would (runs that function call when a left click is registered with shift held down) |
| 18:34.03 | Kirov | First off, why are you doing (...) |
| 18:34.12 | Kirov | second off, why the fuck are youdoing (...)!? |
| 18:34.41 | TS|Skrom | <Iriel> It's the unpack(arg) it doesn't like, because you did (button) and not (...) in your function's parameter list |
| 18:34.50 | TS|Skrom | befcause I don't know any better... which is why I come talk to you folks |
| 18:35.01 | Kirov | ... is bad |
| 18:35.12 | TS|Skrom | befcause? what is befcause? |
| 18:35.12 | Kirov | and completely unneccessary |
| 18:35.20 | dreyruugr | why bad? |
| 18:35.26 | krka | rettab = { Orig_PlayerFrame_OnClick(unpack(arg)) } |
| 18:35.28 | krka | 12 return unpack(rettab); |
| 18:35.40 | Kirov | dreyruugr - until the next patch, it creates a lot of garbage. |
| 18:35.42 | krka | substitute that for: return Orig_PlayerFrame_OnClick(button) |
| 18:36.51 | TS|Skrom | so next patch it's okay? |
| 18:37.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | grararrrgh, realm is down and forums are enxt to dying :[ |
| 18:37.11 | TS|Skrom | I mean I know in this example it's kinda pointless because there's only one arg anyway |
| 18:37.19 | Kirov | next patch it's done differently, and that function will break. |
| 18:37.24 | TS|Skrom | I'm just trying to learn how to hook in general and using the wowwiki as a guide |
| 18:37.31 | dreyruugr | Is svn back up? |
| 18:37.34 | Mery | next patch as in 2.0 |
| 18:37.50 | Qzot | Kirov: I like ... ... when I have a variable number of arguments. |
| 18:37.56 | krka | if you know the number of arguments, never use ... :) |
| 18:38.16 | TS|Skrom | krka I kinda figured that after iriel told me that ... meant all the args XD |
| 18:38.41 | Kirov | Qzot - right, that's the only reason to use it, unless your an ace dev in which case you just do func(a1, a2, a3, a4, a5, aN...) |
| 18:39.15 | Kirov | unpack on (arg) is bad as well. |
| 18:39.22 | krka | unpack is not bad |
| 18:39.40 | Kirov | It is if the function you're hooking has a fixed number of variables. |
| 18:39.47 | Qzot | Kirov: what do you mean "aN..."? That's not legal lua, is it? |
| 18:39.52 | Kirov | The way blizzard usually does those, there's a lot of nils |
| 18:40.01 | Kirov | unpack will stop at the first nil. |
| 18:40.20 | Qzot | Kirov: Wow. Didn't know that. |
| 18:40.37 | Kirov | Qzot - math termage. I just mean they have as many a#s as they think there might be variables passed. |
| 18:40.39 | Qzot | Kirov: unpack uses getn, effectively? |
| 18:40.57 | Kirov | Qzot - unpack uses ipairs next, I think |
| 18:41.04 | Kirov | Iriel? |
| 18:41.12 | Qzot | Kirov: That's really sucky, then. |
| 18:41.36 | Kirov | if unpack used getn, it'd be fine. |
| 18:41.57 | Kirov | I think |
| 18:42.20 | Qzot | I would have expected OldFunctionThatImHookingButNowINeedToReallyCallIt(unpack(arg)) to have been the foolproof way to call a hooked fcn. Apparently, there is no guaranteed safe way, hmm? |
| 18:43.00 | Kirov | nope |
| 18:43.01 | Iriel | ... is never "completely unnecessary" in a general sense |
| 18:43.20 | Qzot | Kirov: getn and next are slightly diff. next will *definitely* screw up for (3,nil,2), while getn will not guarantee either way. You decide which is worse. |
| 18:43.34 | Iriel | I think you're mis-attributing the unpack problem kirov |
| 18:43.40 | Mikma | zinor`: no problem :) |
| 18:43.46 | Qzot | Iriel: *Is* there a way to safely called a hooked function in the general case? |
| 18:43.48 | Kirov | Iriel - probably |
| 18:43.59 | Iriel | the problem happens when you do returnValues = { someFunction(); } return unpack(returnValues); |
| 18:44.23 | Iriel | {} doesn't set n, unpack DOES honor getn |
| 18:44.36 | Iriel | I usually end up writing local function pack(...) return arg; end |
| 18:44.47 | Qzot | Does ... have n defined appropriately? |
| 18:44.52 | Iriel | then you can do returnValues = pack(someFunction()); return unpack(returnValues); |
| 18:45.03 | Iriel | Yes, in 5.0, arg.n is set to the number of args regardless of nil/un-nil |
| 18:45.13 | Iriel | lua 5.1 changes everything with their ... keyword |
| 18:45.17 | Kirov | function blah(...) return unpack(arg) end |
| 18:45.17 | Kirov | blah(1, nil, 3) |
| 18:45.17 | Kirov | that would work? |
| 18:45.27 | tyroney | Man, all these changes are making me learn more. It's annoying. |
| 18:45.29 | Iriel | yes, blah(1, nil, nil) works too |
| 18:45.34 | Iriel | you get arg.n = 3 |
| 18:45.39 | Iriel | if blah is defined with ... |
| 18:45.42 | Kirov | ahh, ok |
| 18:45.56 | Qzot | What about the *correct* way to hook some function, OldFunction, with your function, NewFunction, if OldFunction can be called with a variable number of possibly-nil values? |
| 18:46.13 | Iriel | unfortunately { (function() return 1, nil, 3 end)() }; is a problem |
| 18:46.53 | Iriel | Qzot: pre-hooking can be done very safely: function newFunction(...) -- Do your stuff --- return oldFunction(unpack(arg)); end |
| 18:46.53 | Kirov | Is there a reason why {} exibits those issues? |
| 18:46.55 | Iriel | or in 5.1 |
| 18:47.07 | Iriel | function newFunction(...) -- Do your stuff --- return oldFunction(...); end |
| 18:47.31 | Kirov | Does 5.2 exist, or is that still on the drawing board |
| 18:47.38 | Iriel | I suspect because it's designed for just regular table construction, it's a happy accident it's useful for hooking |
| 18:47.47 | Kirov | Someone was talking about local var = ... |
| 18:48.06 | Iriel | I dont know if you can do local var = ...; |
| 18:48.17 | Kirov | Iriel - not in 5.1 |
| 18:48.31 | Iriel | Didn't think so, ... is a keyword, not a value |
| 18:48.35 | Iriel | you can do var = { ... }; |
| 18:48.43 | Iriel | not sure how that behaves w.r.t. nils in the middle |
| 18:48.44 | Kirov | Someone was talking about it being a feature in 5.2 |
| 18:48.54 | Iriel | ahh, I know nothng about 5.2 |
| 18:49.15 | Kirov | var = { ... } somewhat defeats the purpose, heh |
| 18:49.39 | Cide | pretty much, unless you need it as a table and you don't have compat |
| 18:50.07 | zinor` | anyone familiar with Trac's wiki-syntax? |
| 18:50.15 | Kirov | Or you want to store it past the current scope. |
| 18:51.16 | Iriel | The good news is that embedded nils work properly in 5.1 |
| 18:51.49 | Kirov | {nil, nil, nil}? |
| 18:52.00 | krka | > function a(...) return unpack(arg) end |
| 18:52.00 | krka | > print(a(1, nil, 2)) |
| 18:52.00 | krka | 1 nil 2 |
| 18:52.00 | krka | > |
| 18:52.00 | Iriel | trailing nils dont seem so happy 8-( |
| 18:52.09 | krka | not sure unpack stops at nil |
| 18:52.37 | krka | something weird about it though |
| 18:52.39 | Kirov | krka - yeah, Iriel just corrected me on that |
| 18:52.51 | krka | print(a(1, nil, 2, nil)) |
| 18:52.53 | krka | that one is ad |
| 18:52.54 | krka | bad |
| 18:53.10 | Kirov | 1 nil 2? |
| 18:53.14 | Kirov | with no end nil ? |
| 18:53.23 | krka | yes |
| 18:53.29 | krka | with end nil, i just get 1 |
| 18:53.31 | krka | weird |
| 18:53.44 | Kirov | that is odd |
| 18:53.51 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zinor (n=aaaa@ip-80-226-212-157.vodafone-net.de) |
| 18:54.00 | Iriel | me too, strange that, I wonder if the 3rd index has dropped into hash storage |
| 18:54.02 | zinor | >.< |
| 18:54.18 | zinor | anyways |
| 18:54.21 | zinor | anyone here familiar w/ tracs |
| 18:54.38 | Kirov | zinor - no idea what tracs is |
| 18:54.54 | wereHamster | zinor, trac has a tutorial page with examples.. |
| 18:55.27 | zinor | wereHamster, do you know if its the same syntax as mediawiki |
| 18:55.31 | wereHamster | wiki/WikiFormatting |
| 18:55.39 | wereHamster | and wiki/TracWiki |
| 18:56.37 | wereHamster | if you log in and start editing a page, you'll see "Note: See WikiFormatting and TracWiki for help on editing wiki content." under the text-input area.. |
| 18:56.59 | wereHamster | below the text-input area.. |
| 18:57.14 | Kirov | Can anyone connect to curse-gaming.com? |
| 18:57.26 | wereHamster | 'below' sounds more correct than 'under' ;) |
| 18:58.03 | zinor | ok ill use trac's syntax |
| 18:58.04 | TS|Skrom | is there a way to suppress default behavior in a hook without actually modifying the original? |
| 18:58.13 | zinor | since it's already in python |
| 18:58.53 | Kirov | TS|Skrom - not sure I understand |
| 18:59.37 | TS|Skrom | Okay, back to my example above.. when you shift left click on the player frame it executes the function -- happy! |
| 18:59.39 | TS|Skrom | what I'd like to suppress is the default behavior of targeting the player |
| 18:59.42 | Iriel | aha, this should work in 5.1.. function pack(...) return {...}, select("#', ...); end local ret,n = someFunction(); return unpack(ret, 1, n) |
| 19:00.00 | TS|Skrom | so that a shift left click ONLy executes the function, not, executes AND targets |
| 19:00.21 | Hexarobi | Firefox can't find the server at www.curse-gaming.com. |
| 19:00.43 | Kirov | zicon is one of the curse guys, right? |
| 19:00.54 | Zicon | Huh? |
| 19:01.03 | Kirov | eek |
| 19:01.05 | TS|Skrom | zinor is I think |
| 19:01.11 | Kirov | o |
| 19:01.36 | Kirov | I think I just broken Zicon's attempt at the world record for idle |
| 19:01.59 | Zicon | I'd have to idle for a few more weeks to set a new personal record, but thanks for the thought. |
| 19:02.14 | *** join/#wowi-lounge tyroney (n=tyroney@66.239.241.162.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 19:02.21 | TS|Skrom | so is it back to hibernation for you? |
| 19:02.34 | Kirov | zinor - are you with curse? |
| 19:02.51 | Zicon | I'm not going to hibernate until november. |
| 19:03.06 | Zicon | Mid-december if the winter is mild this year. |
| 19:03.21 | Beladona | sorry, I came in late. So pre-hooking works with the above example, but what about after-hooking? is there a way to do that safely yet? |
| 19:04.00 | Kirov | TS|Skrom - so, sorry, you want to have your function do it's thing, but not have the default function run, correct? |
| 19:04.09 | TS|Skrom | right |
| 19:04.13 | krka | prehooking? afterhooking? what? |
| 19:04.20 | Beladona | lol |
| 19:04.21 | Kirov | TS|Skrom - "else" is your friend in this situation |
| 19:04.53 | krka | Iriel: did you mean: function pack(...) return {...}, select("#', ...); end local |
| 19:05.00 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.53 | Kirov | TS|Skrom http://wowi.pastey.net/769 |
| 19:06.26 | TS|Skrom | ZOMG |
| 19:06.30 | TS|Skrom | you are kidding... |
| 19:06.40 | TS|Skrom | now why couldn't I think of that >< |
| 19:07.08 | zinor | Kirkburn, what ya need |
| 19:07.23 | zinor | err |
| 19:07.24 | Kirov | heh |
| 19:07.26 | zinor | Kirov |
| 19:07.33 | Kirov | zinor - it's ok, I answer to both names now |
| 19:07.41 | Kirov | zinor - can't connect to curse |
| 19:07.51 | zinor | ya dns died |
| 19:07.51 | Kirov | zinor - wondering if something was up or if it's just a dns issue |
| 19:07.55 | Kirov | ah |
| 19:07.58 | zinor | im not sure why |
| 19:18.34 | Hexarobi | whats the ip? |
| 19:21.33 | Beladona | tahts ironic |
| 19:22.15 | Beladona | have this laptop battery that is affected by the dell battery recall. And it was still in bubble wrap. The last 4 digits of the shrink wrapped serial code was BOM8 |
| 19:49.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | lol |
| 20:01.20 | KevICG | when lua passes a table, is it passed by reference (like C/C++ with arrays), by value (a copy of the table is made and the copy's reference pointer is passed) or is it serialized into a sequential string of some sort? |
| 20:02.03 | wereHamster | by reference |
| 20:02.35 | krka | same thing for strings and functions |
| 20:03.17 | KevICG | cool, so when I'm passing a table in a sendmessage I don't need to worry about the size of the table data so much, correct? |
| 20:03.28 | KevICG | all I'm passing is a pointer |
| 20:03.30 | krka | yes |
| 20:07.03 | KevICG | if I'm passing a table in a message how is that handled? the table is a local object, when I pass it to somebody else, does it make a copy of the table? |
| 20:07.28 | Mery | to another player? |
| 20:07.31 | KevICG | yes |
| 20:07.36 | Mery | you can only send strings |
| 20:07.46 | Mery | up to 254/255 bytes |
| 20:07.53 | Mery | over the chat system |
| 20:08.12 | Mery | and some bytes disconnect you (\n for example) |
| 20:08.39 | KevICG | how does Telepathy handle it? they have a messaging system that includes tables, do they serialize it and send over multiple messages? |
| 20:08.45 | Mery | yes |
| 20:09.01 | KevICG | good reason to use Telepathy :) |
| 20:09.08 | KevICG | what a pain in the tuckus |
| 20:10.11 | Cide | if you need to send tables, yeah |
| 20:10.19 | Cide | doesn't happen very often though |
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| 20:11.24 | Kirov | And usually, any data you're sending via tables is easy to deal with. |
| 20:11.37 | KevICG | probably depends on the application. I've got some linked data that's fairly extensive, I have doubts that I could send it in 254 bytes |
| 20:11.53 | Cairenn | [Ammo]: ping? |
| 20:11.54 | Kirov | Unless you enjoy being insane and you're sending your item item db |
| 20:12.06 | Mery | also there is a limit of how many data can be send in a given time to the server without getting disconnected (which includes movement so its less for chat during combat) |
| 20:12.22 | KevICG | ahh the plot thickens |
| 20:12.32 | KevICG | is there any way of measuring the current throttle? |
| 20:13.03 | Kirov | afiak, most mods just cap to half of the max to prevent those kind of cases |
| 20:13.49 | Mery | i dunno but I'd guess telepathy / acecomm handle that |
| 20:14.05 | KevICG | that's fine, I don't need realtime |
| 20:14.53 | Industrial | Can I name addon folders differently then they "should" be? e.g. add a character to the end to distinguish between sorts of addons |
| 20:14.55 | Kirov | You know, when they moved to the new forums, I expected them to replace the hamster, or at least get a few more. |
| 20:14.59 | Industrial | without changing the toc name etc |
| 20:15.19 | Kirov | Industrial - no |
| 20:15.20 | Industrial | I wanna mark the addons I got from the svn :P |
| 20:15.22 | Industrial | crap |
| 20:16.00 | Kirov | Industrial - The way wow finds addons is looking for all folders in the AddOns folder then looking for a matching .toc file inside that folder. |
| 20:16.10 | KevICG | the message throttle doesn't lose messages does it? just queue them? |
| 20:16.14 | Industrial | ah i see |
| 20:16.28 | Mery | KevICG - yeah thats how they work |
| 20:16.32 | Kirov | And, if you have mods that have optional dependancies and use IsAddOnLoaded() it's based on the folder name, so those will break as well. |
| 20:16.42 | Industrial | :( |
| 20:16.53 | Industrial | I cant remember 30 addons :| |
| 20:16.58 | KevICG | fair nuff, most of the time I'll be sending short little messages, but every now and again I have to move a hunk of data |
| 20:17.07 | Industrial | TortoiseSVN used to mark them but im looking at some alternatives |
| 20:17.17 | Kirov | KevICG - depends on the addon, but Telepathy, AceComm, and CTMod all keep messages tabled |
| 20:17.46 | tyroney | could you use that new x field in the toc? |
| 20:18.18 | Kirov | x field? |
| 20:18.53 | KevICG | Kirov: thanks, that's what I'll need |
| 20:19.04 | tyroney | I totally wasn't paying attention to the problem, but it's that field that you can add to specify random information. Changing it wouldn't bother anyone, and would give you something to check. |
| 20:20.20 | Kirkburn | Can some lovely people with rare browsers check to see if the title on the WoWWiki Main Page is vertically centered please? Thanks! |
| 20:21.09 | tyroney | "WoWWiki? Yes in firefox |
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| 20:21.43 | Kirkburn | tyroney, yeah that. One of the oher admins was complaining about it not being centered in his broswer, I forget which it was |
| 20:22.00 | Kirkburn | Ah, it was Safari |
| 20:22.06 | tyroney | no help here, then. |
| 20:22.09 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 20:22.32 | JoshBorke | KevICG: Telepathy and AceComm use ChatThrottleLib to throttle the messages so players aren't disconnected |
| 20:22.55 | Kirov | yes for ff beta 2 and ie7 |
| 20:24.28 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@198.199.136.119) |
| 20:25.14 | Cide | (note: 99.99% of the population will never get disconnected due to addons spamming chat!) |
| 20:25.34 | ckknight | hey all |
| 20:25.44 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 20:25.50 | Kirov | allo |
| 20:26.10 | KevICG | s'fine, I don't intend to generate too much spam. I find that... messy |
| 20:26.35 | ckknight | throttling ftw. |
| 20:26.42 | Kirov | damn, I want to see what happens when I send my lootlink database using telepathy now |
| 20:26.42 | Cide | unnecessary throttling ftl! |
| 20:26.51 | Cide | (I just said that to cause drama mostly ;) |
| 20:27.03 | Kirov | Cide - heh |
| 20:27.20 | Kirov | Says the man who's mod was one of the first to run across the issue. |
| 20:27.21 | JoshBorke | lol Cide |
| 20:27.31 | JoshBorke | probably one of the only i'd think |
| 20:27.37 | KevICG | heh, what's your addon cide? |
| 20:27.44 | Cide | CT_RaidAssist |
| 20:27.54 | ckknight | Kirov, AceComm ftw ;-) |
| 20:27.56 | Kirov | KevICG - CT_SpamsAllot! |
| 20:28.05 | Kirov | (well, 1.2 did) |
| 20:28.18 | Gryphen | Telepathy ftw ;-) |
| 20:28.31 | Cide | this was during the time when it sent every health update, every mana update, and same thing for your target if you were an MT. it also reported for any party members that did not have it |
| 20:28.36 | Kirov | um... STranq_DataMessage ftw! |
| 20:28.54 | Cide | and it happened once, I think.. for our MT during onyxia |
| 20:28.55 | KevICG | cide: bitchin' addon :) our guild has it on mandatory download |
| 20:29.06 | Cide | :) |
| 20:29.13 | Cide | CT_RaidAssist2:QueueChatMessage ftw! |
| 20:29.27 | Kirov | KevICG - do your hunters use SimpleTranqShot? |
| 20:29.44 | Gryphen | QueueChatMessage .... unnecessary throttling ftl |
| 20:30.06 | Cide | aye |
| 20:30.09 | KevICG | they're experimenting with it. we're a largish casual guild so we're really only starting to get MC. We can get to Garr np, but I don't know that we've attempted farther |
| 20:30.13 | tyroney | Throttling isn't really |
| 20:30.16 | tyroney | that bad when you |
| 20:30.22 | tyroney | stop to think about it. |
| 20:30.25 | Kirov | STranq_DataMessage is a wrapper for SendAddonMessage("STranq "..header, msg) |
| 20:30.28 | Cide | tyroney: nice ;) |
| 20:30.52 | Cide | god damn you tab completion |
| 20:30.58 | Cide | damnit I did it again |
| 20:31.00 | Cide | Kirov: spiffy! |
| 20:31.28 | Kirov | I'm actually kinda surprised more people don't abuse the header more. |
| 20:31.31 | Kirkburn | _Apparently_: Blizzard intends to offer a Collector's Edition for Burning Crusade. It will contain 2 starter decks, a full-size color rulebook and 3 foil promo cards (which will be released in a future set in non-foil version)from the WoW TCG, as well as other non-annonouced items. |
| 20:31.40 | KevICG | kirov: we only actually have 4 hunters with the tranq shot, and 2 of them are unreliable (blow all their mana on arcane shot the losers) |
| 20:32.03 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 20:32.27 | KevICG | one of them actually used the phrase "melee hunter" the other day |
| 20:32.38 | Cide | ... |
| 20:32.43 | Kirov | I actually wish slouken made the CHAT_ADDON_MSG args be arg1=header, arg2=sender arg3=type arg4-9 all \t segments |
| 20:32.44 | Cide | that's not even a phrase |
| 20:32.45 | ckknight | Gryphen, blasphemer. |
| 20:32.50 | Kirkburn | Oooh, do you want to know some Hunter BC info? |
| 20:33.02 | Cide | Kirkburn: from what source? |
| 20:33.11 | Kirkburn | Unreliable ones |
| 20:33.15 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 20:33.17 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowinsider.com/2006/09/12/more-rumoured-bc-hunter-talents-skills/ |
| 20:33.17 | Kirov | Kirkburn - did they make all 3 trees beastmastery? |
| 20:33.32 | ckknight | Kirov, *shrug*. I do that with AceComm. |
| 20:33.49 | Kirkburn | Sweeping changes mentioned |
| 20:33.53 | ckknight | so that on reception, you receive all the arguments you put in |
| 20:34.21 | Kirkburn | Most importantly: %crit and %hit will be replaced by crit rating and hit rating |
| 20:34.22 | Kirov | ckknight - true, but having slouken do it in c++ would of been several times faster, and a lot less garbage. |
| 20:34.31 | Kirov | It's the only reason why header exists in the first place. |
| 20:34.43 | JoshBorke | what is a header? |
| 20:34.51 | Kirov | prefix |
| 20:35.02 | JoshBorke | ah, ok |
| 20:35.08 | Kirov | SendAddonMessage(prefix, msg, scope) |
| 20:35.09 | ckknight | Kirov, well, the way I do it deals with table recycling, therefore there isn't any memory churn anyway. |
| 20:35.19 | JoshBorke | you mean people don't use a prefix? |
| 20:35.32 | Kirov | JoshBorke - everyone uses a prefix afaik. |
| 20:35.34 | Beladona | is crit and hit rating different than crit and hit%? or just a different term? |
| 20:35.37 | Kirov | they'd be silly not to |
| 20:35.42 | Kirkburn | Beladona, different |
| 20:35.48 | Beladona | explain |
| 20:35.48 | Kirkburn | Scales with level |
| 20:36.02 | Beladona | ehh |
| 20:36.06 | Kirkburn | More along the lines of Attack Power |
| 20:36.09 | JoshBorke | i wish addons could register for just the addon prefix they care about, instead of having to parse it themselves |
| 20:36.21 | Kirkburn | i.e. you need more crit rating at higher levels than at lower levels |
| 20:36.27 | JoshBorke | hit/crit rating is based on weapon skill right? |
| 20:36.30 | Kirov | JoshBorke - again why the prefix exists. |
| 20:36.35 | Beladona | wtf |
| 20:36.48 | Kirov | JoshBorke - parsing in lua = slow. string comparisons are exceptionally fast. |
| 20:36.59 | Kirov | if myPrefix == arg1 then my mod! |
| 20:37.12 | Beladona | so now someone has to figure out the equation for crit rating, to determine how agi affects it, since it won't be a flat value anymore |
| 20:37.17 | Kirkburn | Beladona, I think it makes sense, otherwise we'd start having peoepl with 25% crit at level 70 |
| 20:37.33 | Kirov | I give my different data arguments differen't prefixes to reduce the amount of parsing I have to do. |
| 20:37.44 | Cide | Kirkburn: 25% crit is rather easy to achieve |
| 20:37.53 | Kirkburn | Fine, even more then :P |
| 20:37.53 | Cide | but yeah, eventually we'd reach 100% crit |
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| 20:38.20 | Kirov | arg1="$Tranq M" latency=tonumber(arg2) |
| 20:38.35 | Kirkburn | Also, I'm seeing numerous sources confirming the crit% change |
| 20:38.52 | Beladona | that would imply that the crit rating will be capped |
| 20:38.55 | Beladona | per level |
| 20:38.57 | ckknight | the crit% change makes sense, though. |
| 20:38.58 | JoshBorke | Kirov: i just check to see if a prefix has a corresponding 'module' that can parse it |
| 20:39.02 | Beladona | which I guess makes sense |
| 20:39.39 | Beladona | but that would mean that agi will not affect it as a flat value any more, but will instead be what? a percent bonus on your base crit rating? |
| 20:40.24 | Kirkburn | "This change may or may not make stats inherently more useful, as they often degrade at a slower rate (example, at 60 warriors require 20 agi for 1 crit. Going by the same scaling factor they'd require 23.3 agi for 1 crit at 70. If this is true, then for some classes, items with stats like Chromatic boots etc will be significantly more useful than items with +crit% for longer" |
| 20:40.30 | ckknight | wtf, mate. Why are FuBar plugins in the top favorites? |
| 20:40.31 | ckknight | funny. |
| 20:40.32 | Kirov | I guess that means Blackhand's Breath will finally not be the end-all be-all of hunter trinkets |
| 20:40.34 | Beladona | and does that means items with 1% bonus to hit chance or crit chance will change to +1 to crit rating, or something similar? |
| 20:40.42 | ckknight | (Regarding WoWI) |
| 20:40.56 | Kirov | I know someone who had their account hacked, and when they got it back they had two Blackhand's Breath |
| 20:40.58 | Kirov | heh |
| 20:41.14 | Kirkburn | Aha: at 60, 14 crit rating will equal 1% crit. Blackhand's bredth will be 28 crit rating. At 70, that 28 crit rating will be worth something around 1.2% crit |
| 20:41.26 | Shadowed | where's a post of the crit rating info? |
| 20:41.41 | Kirkburn | This is the source post: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=534914&topic=30477716 |
| 20:41.53 | Cairenn | ckknight: because they are? /shrug |
| 20:42.17 | ckknight | Cairenn, just funny. |
| 20:42.17 | Osagasu | [16:37] <Cide> but yeah, eventually we'd reach 100% crit <--It'll possible to achieve 100% crit at level 70 as a mage. :P |
| 20:42.20 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 20:42.34 | Cide | Osagasu: uh, how? |
| 20:42.59 | sancus_ | who said that |
| 20:43.02 | Osagasu | Well, its already possible to get 20% with gear at 60, and that won't change much I think |
| 20:43.03 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Mikk (i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 20:43.12 | Osagasu | than Shatter + the CC crit bonus talent |
| 20:43.15 | Osagasu | **then |
| 20:43.17 | sancus_ | I do not think anyone has an accurate number for the value of crit rating at 70 |
| 20:43.42 | Beladona | not sure I understand the crit rating thing |
| 20:44.02 | Beladona | so will you need MORE crit raiting per crit% the higher level you are? |
| 20:44.08 | ckknight | yes |
| 20:44.08 | Shadowed | can only get around 36%-39% crit fully bufffed :( |
| 20:44.11 | gnorlish | it's to scale the gear |
| 20:44.19 | Beladona | I don't lke that |
| 20:44.22 | gnorlish | so that this lvl 60 required stuff is crap |
| 20:44.24 | gnorlish | when we hit 70 |
| 20:44.27 | Osagasu | That makes sense, really. |
| 20:44.42 | Osagasu | To prevent people from getting too powerful too fast |
| 20:44.42 | Qzot | Are there any addons which really accurately model the stat computations for gear? Pre-BC, I mean. |
| 20:44.47 | gnorlish | that doesn't mean they're NOT changing current items though |
| 20:44.47 | Beladona | so what? as you get higher level, you damn well better get better gear if you want your crit chance to stay the same? |
| 20:44.47 | ckknight | yea, otherwise lvl 70s will be doing 30% crit unbuffed |
| 20:45.00 | ckknight | yes, Beladona |
| 20:45.11 | Beladona | that makes people who rely on crit chance to be more gear dependant than before |
| 20:45.14 | Shadowed | it's an ilvl fix basically |
| 20:45.20 | ckknight | Beladona, so? |
| 20:45.21 | Beladona | and they were already to some degree |
| 20:45.32 | Osagasu | the game is a gear based game. |
| 20:45.39 | sancus_ | Beladona: It's a fix to the fact that crit chance is a scaling stat |
| 20:45.42 | sancus_ | and scaling stats on gear are unacceptable |
| 20:45.49 | Beladona | sure, but your effectiveness should go DOWN as you level |
| 20:45.53 | Beladona | it seems unfair |
| 20:45.55 | sancus_ | ? |
| 20:45.59 | sancus_ | your effectiveness still goes up |
| 20:46.01 | Beladona | shouldn't |
| 20:46.02 | sancus_ | see |
| 20:46.12 | sancus_ | what you're missing is the fact that crit rating operates on your base damage |
| 20:46.18 | sancus_ | your base damage is GOING UP as you level |
| 20:46.24 | sancus_ | so your crit is actually worth more and more |
| 20:46.25 | sancus_ | as you level |
| 20:46.28 | sancus_ | the same gear is _worth more_ |
| 20:46.29 | sancus_ | that's not good |
| 20:46.32 | sancus_ | and that's what this fixes |
| 20:46.38 | Beladona | right |
| 20:46.42 | Beladona | you wil hit for more |
| 20:46.46 | Beladona | but you will crit less often |
| 20:46.49 | sancus_ | yes |
| 20:46.51 | sancus_ | which is correct |
| 20:46.54 | Qzot | Are there any addons which really accurately model the stat computations for gear? Pre-BC, I mean. |
| 20:47.01 | Beladona | doesn't sound fair to me |
| 20:47.01 | sancus_ | if you hit for more and crit with the same frequency |
| 20:47.06 | Osagasu | Qzot, CT Profiles does it. |
| 20:47.06 | sancus_ | then crit gear becomes overpowered |
| 20:47.09 | Arrowmaster | but doesnt most of your crit come from agi/int rather than +crit% items |
| 20:47.09 | sancus_ | relative to what it used to be |
| 20:47.13 | sancus_ | how can it not sound fair to you? |
| 20:47.19 | Osagasu | It isn't an addon though |
| 20:47.24 | sancus_ | your bonus from crit damage should not go up as you level |
| 20:47.26 | sancus_ | it should stay constant |
| 20:47.37 | Osagasu | right. |
| 20:47.40 | sancus_ | because all the other stats on your gear stay constant |
| 20:47.41 | Qzot | Osagasu: Does it model (1) talents, (2) druid shapeshift forms, (3) enchants? |
| 20:47.46 | Shadowed | For Rogues/Warriors, blackhand is the *best* DPS trinket available even into naxx Beladona |
| 20:47.57 | Beladona | what this is saying is that as you go up in level, your crit damage will stay the same, unless you raise your crit raiting to match |
| 20:47.59 | Osagasu | I don't know if it works for talents, but it does do forms and enchants. |
| 20:48.02 | Shadowed | the only way you can really replace it is by getting a DFT + Kiss of the spider, which very few people an do |
| 20:48.04 | Shadowed | *can do |
| 20:48.05 | sancus_ | Beladona: Yes, which is correct |
| 20:48.06 | Qzot | Osagasu: Ah, I am looking for Lua code I can butcher. |
| 20:48.07 | Cide | it works with all three, yes |
| 20:48.09 | sancus_ | because that's how the other stats on your gear operate |
| 20:48.13 | Cide | but no, not an addon |
| 20:48.14 | sancus_ | attack power doesn't become worth more as you level |
| 20:48.17 | sancus_ | why should crit rate? |
| 20:48.30 | Qzot | Osagasu: ctprofiles.net does druid forms? Learn me how! |
| 20:48.31 | tyroney | I say crit should be frosting, not bread and butter. But that's just how I am. |
| 20:48.38 | Cide | Qzot: go to a profile :9 |
| 20:48.39 | Cide | :) |
| 20:48.40 | sancus_ | bah |
| 20:48.42 | Beladona | what I see unfair in that is, your effectiveness is reduced as you go up, because think about it. higher levels brings tougher challenges |
| 20:48.46 | sancus | no |
| 20:48.48 | Qzot | Cide: I have a profile. |
| 20:48.50 | Osagasu | Cide, you really need to do a CT Profiles Addon IMO. :P |
| 20:48.50 | sancus | your effectiveness isnt reduced at all |
| 20:48.51 | Cide | we added druid forms some 3 weeks ago |
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| 20:49.02 | sancus | overall your effectiveness still grows, just not at the same rate as it would if your gear scaled for no good reason |
| 20:49.04 | Qzot | Lol. I probably haven't been back since then. |
| 20:49.05 | Shadowed | i'd be happy with CTProfiles not being as lagged :p |
| 20:49.11 | Beladona | if the mobs were as easy to kil at 70 as at 60, I could see it |
| 20:49.17 | Cide | Shadowed: we're doubling the ram on the database server as we speak |
| 20:49.18 | sancus | ... |
| 20:49.27 | Osagasu | Bela |
| 20:49.31 | sancus | Beladon: Why do you keep stating things which are incorrect and then basing your following statements on them? |
| 20:49.32 | Beladona | but if you don't change your gear from 60, to 70, you will SUCK on level 70 mobs |
| 20:49.36 | sancus | no |
| 20:49.38 | sancus | that's false |
| 20:49.38 | Osagasu | It already does it with AGI, AP, INT |
| 20:49.38 | Arrowmaster | i want an addon that gives me two buttons in my character tab just like on ctprofiles to show that data |
| 20:49.44 | Shadowed | Cide: yay |
| 20:49.57 | Cide | Arrowmaster: to show what data? :) |
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| 20:50.05 | Beladona | sancus, I am stating opinion. Nowhere did I say I was stating fact |
| 20:50.10 | Beladona | don't get pissy |
| 20:50.15 | sancus | your assumptions are wrong |
| 20:50.22 | Beladona | ok, so explain, don't be an asshat |
| 20:50.26 | Qzot | Osagasu: ctprofiles.net seems to be down atm. |
| 20:50.38 | sancus | You're assuming you reduce in power as you level, but you don't, why would you? |
| 20:50.48 | Arrowmaster | Cide: the data shown in the two umm "windows" on ctprofiles, like spell damage and crit |
| 20:50.51 | sancus | Just because your crit bonus from gear is worth the _same_ at 61 as it was at 60, doesn't mean you decreased in power |
| 20:50.56 | sancus | you are still getting ability upgrades |
| 20:50.58 | Cide | Arrowmaster: ah |
| 20:51.11 | sancus | this just makes crit rating equivalent to attack power at all levels |
| 20:51.11 | Beladona | your base dmg goes up, but your crit chance goes down. Which means your status dps will probably go up a little, but surge dmg will be reduced |
| 20:51.13 | sancus | whereas currently |
| 20:51.18 | Beladona | static* |
| 20:51.20 | sancus | crit rating becomes BETTER relative to attack power every time you gain a level |
| 20:51.26 | sancus | and it becomes BETTER relative to agility/strength |
| 20:51.30 | sancus | every single level you gain |
| 20:51.32 | Beladona | right... |
| 20:51.38 | sancus | which is horrible |
| 20:51.38 | Beladona | no |
| 20:51.41 | sancus | because stats shouldn't scale |
| 20:51.43 | Beladona | crit rating doesn't go up |
| 20:51.46 | sancus | no |
| 20:51.48 | sancus | the value of it goes up |
| 20:51.51 | sancus | it adds more damage |
| 20:51.55 | Beladona | right |
| 20:51.58 | sancus | it shouldn't |
| 20:52.01 | Beladona | you will hit for MORE when you crit |
| 20:52.06 | Beladona | but will crit less often |
| 20:52.06 | sancus | that's the problem |
| 20:52.08 | Beladona | I said that |
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| 20:52.14 | sancus | I'm saying right now |
| 20:52.16 | sancus | without crit rating |
| 20:52.22 | sancus | you both hit for more when you crit and crit the same amount |
| 20:52.32 | sancus | which means the crit rate is worth more relative to attack power every level you gain |
| 20:52.32 | sancus | which is nonsensical |
| 20:52.38 | sancus | because it makes it impossible to balance gear for the long term |
| 20:52.39 | Arrowmaster | actually thats incorrect |
| 20:52.55 | Arrowmaster | because as you level up you will need more agi/int per crit |
| 20:53.01 | Beladona | correct |
| 20:53.06 | sancus | I'm talking about attack power |
| 20:53.09 | sancus | not agi/int |
| 20:53.16 | sancus | crit from int is irrelevant, btw, in any case |
| 20:53.16 | tyroney | I almost want to make an Ace Attourney irc client for heated discussions. |
| 20:53.18 | Cide | if blizzard wants to continue adding +crit% to items, they will eventually reach 100% crit over all equipment slots as item values go up |
| 20:53.19 | Beladona | all attack power will do for your crit is raise your average dmg |
| 20:53.20 | Kirkburn | eep |
| 20:53.25 | Beladona | which is what crit DMG is based on |
| 20:53.31 | sancus | sigh |
| 20:53.32 | sancus | look |
| 20:53.53 | sancus | at level 60 14 attack power adds 1 dps, and 1% crit adds, I don't know, say 5 dps |
| 20:54.05 | sancus | At level 70, 14 attack power STILL adds 1 dps |
| 20:54.07 | Kirkburn | The reason for the change is to prevent people beomcing massively overpowered |
| 20:54.10 | sancus | but 1% crit adds more like 8 or 9 dps |
| 20:54.15 | sancus | that makes no sense |
| 20:54.15 | Beladona | but you will not get the other 5dps |
| 20:54.33 | sancus | yes you will |
| 20:54.35 | sancus | you will still get 5dps |
| 20:54.37 | Kirkburn | sancus has it right, as far as I can tell |
| 20:54.40 | Beladona | right, but what you are not reflecting is that the 1% of crit will not be there |
| 20:54.46 | sancus | sigh |
| 20:54.49 | Beladona | unless you raise agi |
| 20:54.52 | sancus | wrong |
| 20:54.59 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:55.07 | Kirkburn | It's hard ot explain via IRC |
| 20:55.10 | Kirkburn | *to |
| 20:55.12 | sancus | what you aren't understanding is that 1% crit becomes worth more and more as you level whereas 1 attack power is worth the same no matter what level you are |
| 20:55.18 | Beladona | am I wrong in saying that at 70, you will need MORE agi per crit point? |
| 20:55.20 | sancus | so if you just stick 1% crit ON THE GEAR |
| 20:55.25 | sancus | no |
| 20:55.26 | Osagasu | We aren't TALKING about AGI |
| 20:55.29 | sancus | but I'm not talking about agi |
| 20:55.30 | sancus | screw agi |
| 20:55.31 | Beladona | yeah it becomes worth more, but it becomes harder to attain as well |
| 20:55.32 | Osagasu | We're talking about +crit |
| 20:55.43 | sancus | I'm talking about attack power |
| 20:55.49 | sancus | which comes from the stat named 'attack power' |
| 20:55.50 | Beladona | agi factors in |
| 20:55.55 | sancus | of course it does |
| 20:55.57 | Kirov | so... about them yankees |
| 20:55.58 | sancus | im not talking about agi, though |
| 20:56.05 | Beladona | why are we still talking about attack power? |
| 20:56.15 | Rihlsul | Kirov: lol |
| 20:56.25 | Beladona | it doesn't affect your crit chance, it affects the dmg resulted from the crit |
| 20:56.26 | sancus | because attack power grants you identical dps at every level and crit grants you a variable amount of dps |
| 20:56.39 | tyroney | He's comparing +atk to +crit. Not +atk to +agi translated into additional crit. |
| 20:56.49 | Beladona | I am not comparing dmg output per crit |
| 20:56.54 | Beladona | I agree that goes up |
| 20:56.57 | Qzot | Osagasu: http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6281/avatar7ft.gif |
| 20:57.09 | Osagasu | Exactly. |
| 20:57.13 | Qzot | :D |
| 20:57.24 | Kirkburn | The idea is this: before 1% crit would become more effective as you rise in level. The chaneg will mean that the crit rating will add the same dps at whatever level, almost like a +dmg |
| 20:57.46 | Beladona | what I am saying is that the higher level you get, you will crit less often, therefore your actual dps will lessen if you rely on crit |
| 20:57.54 | Beladona | UNLESS you raise your crit raiting |
| 20:58.01 | sancus | not likely |
| 20:58.07 | sancus | your actual dps will still go up |
| 20:58.10 | sancus | because your base damage went up |
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| 20:58.17 | Kirkburn | Slightly restating that: before 1% crit would grant you more +dps as you rise in level. The chaneg will mean that the crit rating will add the same +dps at whatever level, almost like a +dmg |
| 20:58.23 | sancus | if you are SUPER reliant on crit, you are maybe correct, but nobody is, because that's a retarded way to gear yourself |
| 20:58.24 | Beladona | I agree with Kirkburn |
| 20:58.42 | gnorlish | so it's a warrior nerf! |
| 20:58.48 | gnorlish | omg i'm making a forum post!! |
| 20:58.56 | Kirkburn | Good, cause that's what we're all saying in different ways I think :P |
| 20:59.04 | kergoth | heh, my rogue is more attack power geared than crit |
| 20:59.04 | Beladona | I think you misunderstood me from the start sancus |
| 20:59.06 | kergoth | hm |
| 20:59.09 | Beladona | but whatever |
| 20:59.45 | Kirkburn | So basically the idea is that you won't be able to keep low level + crit gear as you rise in level |
| 21:00.22 | Kirkburn | So you'll need to replace that crappy level 10 +crit item with something higher level in Outland as it'll be crap ;) |
| 21:00.41 | Beladona | I understand the concept of crit not becoming worth more as you level, and therefore your dps should be about the same |
| 21:00.53 | Beladona | but what concerned me is that, you have to factor in environment as well |
| 21:01.09 | Beladona | a level 60 doing oh say 100dps, may be ok |
| 21:01.15 | Beladona | but a level 70 doing 100dps may not |
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| 21:01.27 | Kirkburn | Yeah, iirc the encounters in Outland will be a little longer. I think. |
| 21:01.33 | Beladona | aye |
| 21:01.50 | Kirkburn | I remember it mentioned on the forums |
| 21:01.54 | Qzot | Cide: Hmm. How to I tell it which shapeshift form to use? |
| 21:01.59 | Cide | click the button :) |
| 21:02.05 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:02.11 | Cide | it has stats for all of them |
| 21:02.15 | sancus | a level 70 wont be doing 100 dps |
| 21:02.22 | sancus | because he'll get ability upgrades, which significantly increase dps |
| 21:02.23 | Qzot | Click *what* button. |
| 21:02.25 | Cide | you click the form you want to see |
| 21:02.29 | Kirkburn | It might be if he was rubbish :P |
| 21:02.30 | sancus | and if he's not in epics, he should be picking up gear upgrades |
| 21:02.32 | sancus | obviously |
| 21:02.32 | Cide | link your profile |
| 21:02.39 | sancus | if he is in epics |
| 21:02.45 | sancus | well everything from 60-70 is such a trivial joke it doesnt really matter |
| 21:02.49 | Beladona | I am comparing a 60 and 70 with the same gear |
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| 21:02.58 | sancus | the 70 will have higher dps |
| 21:03.00 | sancus | due to ability upgrades |
| 21:03.06 | Qzot | http://ctprofiles.net/profiles.ct?a=edit&cid=498381&pid=3031520 |
| 21:03.11 | sancus | he may not have high enough dps to kill level 70 mobs, no |
| 21:03.12 | Beladona | IF he is specced for it |
| 21:03.15 | Kirkburn | Even those in epics will probably have to upgrade before level 70 |
| 21:03.19 | sancus | what do you mean if he is specced for it |
| 21:03.22 | Cide | http://ctprofiles.net/3031520 |
| 21:03.27 | sancus | you get new spells and new ranks of spells from 60-70 regardless of your spec |
| 21:03.31 | Cide | the three buttons in the middle :) |
| 21:03.34 | Beladona | if the talents give him more dmg, not all talents do |
| 21:03.37 | sancus | ??? |
| 21:03.41 | sancus | you get new spells |
| 21:03.43 | sancus | not just new talents |
| 21:03.46 | Kirkburn | Crossed wires, it's like a telephone exchange in here! |
| 21:03.49 | sancus | it's the same as going from 50-60 |
| 21:03.51 | Qzot | Cide: Stop being cryptic. |
| 21:04.01 | sancus | you get all new ranks for all your abilities, and a bunch of extra new stuff too |
| 21:04.01 | Osagasu | where would Druids get +10 energy? |
| 21:04.03 | Beladona | in the end no one knows |
| 21:04.07 | Beladona | till it happens |
| 21:04.11 | sancus | what do you mean no one knows |
| 21:04.13 | Kirkburn | Beladona, yes, do remember that you get new levels for spells :) |
| 21:04.13 | sancus | _I_ know, rofl |
| 21:04.18 | Cide | Qzot: I'm being perfectly clear; if you go to http://ctprofiles.net/3031520, there are three buttons on your profile that match the icons for your forms |
| 21:04.25 | Cide | if you click one, it changes to the stats you would have in that form |
| 21:04.29 | JoshBorke | Osagasu: after they run around the track in bear form, all that extra weight builds their stamina |
| 21:04.30 | sancus | and honestly |
| 21:04.32 | sancus | if you're in blues at 60 |
| 21:04.37 | sancus | no, you shouldn't be in the same gear at 70 |
| 21:04.41 | sancus | if you are, you are doing some very very wrong |
| 21:04.42 | Kirkburn | Hell no |
| 21:04.53 | sancus | you MUST upgrade your gear the same as you upgraded it when you were levelling from 50-60 |
| 21:05.02 | Qzot | Hold on. I'll take a screenshot. |
| 21:05.03 | Kirkburn | I think people will be surprised how quickly they'll upgrade |
| 21:05.04 | JoshBorke | erm, i didn't...i was still wearing lvl 34 rings |
| 21:05.05 | Beladona | gotta rmember also that levelling from 60 to 70 will be MUCH logner than 50 to 60 |
| 21:05.12 | Beladona | so lots more time to get gear |
| 21:05.16 | sancus | kirkburn: they will be upgrading before they even hit level 61, if they're in blues |
| 21:05.21 | sancus | the instance blues are totally ridiculous |
| 21:05.25 | sancus | they blow molten core epics out of the water |
| 21:05.28 | sancus | before you're even done your first instance |
| 21:05.44 | Kirov | zg and aq20 blues are really rather freakish |
| 21:05.51 | JoshBorke | yea they are nice |
| 21:05.52 | Kirkburn | My warlock has most of Tier 0, that's all, so he'll ned stuff quickly |
| 21:06.02 | Beladona | I hope they fired the artist that did some of those armors |
| 21:06.04 | Beladona | I mean come on |
| 21:06.08 | Osagasu | My mage is gearing up off MC and BWL now. |
| 21:06.15 | Beladona | I really don't feel like looking like a mighty morphin power ranger |
| 21:06.22 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 21:06.28 | Beladona | or voltron |
| 21:06.33 | Kirov | Beladona - aq40! |
| 21:06.36 | Beladona | hehe |
| 21:06.44 | Osagasu | That's okay. |
| 21:06.50 | Beladona | whats that paladin set, avenger? |
| 21:06.53 | Beladona | omg |
| 21:06.56 | Kirov | I think they just forced him to only make paladin armor. |
| 21:06.56 | Osagasu | The pally tier 3 looks like a friggen Gundam. |
| 21:06.58 | Kirkburn | Btw here's an example of the new crit ratings: |
| 21:06.59 | Kirkburn | http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2779/upgradedrangedsz0.jpg |
| 21:07.27 | malreth | It's a gundam! |
| 21:07.31 | Beladona | great, a new acronym |
| 21:07.41 | Beladona | to hunter: whats your CHR? |
| 21:07.52 | Esamynn_ | lol |
| 21:07.52 | Kirkburn | "Ashjre'thul" ... try saying that |
| 21:08.01 | Osagasu | It'd be shortened to CR, prolly. |
| 21:08.09 | Kirkburn | Charisma rating ;) |
| 21:08.10 | Beladona | sounds like something naugthy you did with an ash tray |
| 21:08.16 | Osagasu | rowr. |
| 21:08.28 | Kirov | I have +11 chr, baby. Would you like to come back to my place? |
| 21:08.44 | TS|Skrom | Warlocks travel in single file to hide their numbers... |
| 21:08.48 | Cide | I have +15% to hit. beat that, Kirov |
| 21:08.53 | Beladona | lol, remember eq? raising your char for vendor pricing? |
| 21:08.59 | Industrial | Microsoft Expression Web Beta 1 |
| 21:09.06 | Industrial | Beladona, you tried this yet? |
| 21:09.12 | Kirkburn | Kirov, don't flatter yourself too much, eh :P |
| 21:09.14 | Kirov | Cide - don't you mean +150 hit power? |
| 21:09.15 | Beladona | I tried one of their alphas |
| 21:09.16 | Industrial | k |
| 21:09.20 | Beladona | didn't like it |
| 21:09.21 | Kirkburn | +11 is barely above half |
| 21:09.22 | Industrial | any good? im a vim user so :< |
| 21:09.24 | Osagasu | Cide just killed his overall DPS though |
| 21:09.29 | TS|Skrom | zomg - curse is still down? who's got the tar and feathers? |
| 21:09.41 | Beladona | felt like Frontpage 2007 PRO |
| 21:09.44 | Beladona | lol |
| 21:09.49 | Industrial | ack k |
| 21:10.02 | Industrial | TS|Skrom, who cares about curse |
| 21:10.03 | Kirkburn | (in case you don't know, charisma is rolled using about 3 6 sided dice) |
| 21:10.03 | tyroney | for a moment, I was wondering what files|tar|feathers would do. |
| 21:10.04 | Industrial | :P |
| 21:10.10 | sancus | Kirkburn: There's a mantle from a quest to hellfire citadel that is 21sta 13int 13crit rating, 16 dmg, as an example, there s a screenshot of that around somewhere |
| 21:10.15 | Kirov | TS|Skrom - I had some, but then the pavers came by to get their tar back, and my parents came home to see what I did to the pillows |
| 21:10.16 | Kirkburn | (normally, even) |
| 21:10.28 | Beladona | homeward! seeya soon! |
| 21:10.32 | Kirkburn | see ya |
| 21:10.42 | Beladona | you know |
| 21:10.52 | Beladona | all these screenshots of BC stuff |
| 21:10.54 | Osagasu | It also means that Blizzard will be able to more easily be able to spread stats around |
| 21:11.01 | Beladona | and no one has asked them why they are breaking NDA? |
| 21:11.04 | Beladona | lol |
| 21:11.25 | Kirkburn | WoWInsider? Yeah, I think it's a bit odd |
| 21:11.41 | sancus | what do you mean why? |
| 21:11.49 | sancus | why does everyone break every nda on the planet all the time for every game |
| 21:11.50 | Beladona | I mean I know its probably an "anonymous source" but still |
| 21:11.51 | sancus | cuz they can |
| 21:12.03 | Qzot | Cide: http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ctprofilewb8.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7832/ctprofilewb8.th.jpg |
| 21:12.08 | Beladona | it just seems, wrong |
| 21:12.09 | Qzot | Crud. |
| 21:12.20 | sancus | meh |
| 21:12.34 | Qzot | Cide: http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ctprofilewb8.jpg |
| 21:12.40 | sancus | what's wrong is how pathetic blizzard is about informing their userbase |
| 21:12.50 | Kirkburn | sancus, it's called marketing |
| 21:12.52 | [Ammo] | pong Cairenn btw, sorry inside a raid |
| 21:12.54 | Beladona | you are kidding rght? |
| 21:12.58 | Esamynn_ | yah, i've seen the animations videos of the new races and it's pretty definate some alpha tester has been busy witha model viewer, NDAs never seem to shut some ppl up |
| 21:13.03 | Beladona | go play something from SOE |
| 21:13.06 | Kirkburn | It's also called 'not released unfinished stuff' |
| 21:13.15 | Beladona | and talk about userbase communication problems |
| 21:13.24 | [Ammo] | Cairenn: just /query me... |
| 21:13.25 | sancus | EQ2 devs have far superior communication than blizzard |
| 21:13.36 | Qzot | Cide: Nm. Now I see them. |
| 21:13.38 | Cairenn | [Ammo]: not a problem ... Devlark is gone |
| 21:13.39 | sancus | theres a bunch of other better communicating studios as well |
| 21:13.40 | Beladona | they musta hired brand new staff then |
| 21:13.47 | Beladona | because they were horrible when I played |
| 21:13.48 | Cide | Qzot: good :) |
| 21:13.55 | Kirkburn | sancus, what exactly aren't they communicating? |
| 21:13.58 | sancus | Kirkburn: You should release unfinished stuff |
| 21:14.00 | [Ammo] | Cairenn: thanks |
| 21:14.01 | sancus | in fact |
| 21:14.02 | sancus | ideally |
| 21:14.07 | Qzot | Cide: However, in spite of how blind I am, take me as one data point as to how obvious they are. |
| 21:14.11 | Kirkburn | You want them to tell you ever single thing about an ALPHA of a product?? |
| 21:14.14 | sancus | you should frequently release it at every step of the development process |
| 21:14.17 | Beladona | Blizz tells us everything they can, without giving away trade secrets |
| 21:14.18 | Cide | Qzot: we don't want flashing lights |
| 21:14.23 | sancus | hahah |
| 21:14.27 | sancus | trade secrets |
| 21:14.28 | Beladona | I dont see an issue with their communication |
| 21:14.28 | sancus | lol |
| 21:14.29 | Kirkburn | *sigh* It's an alpha |
| 21:14.38 | sancus | I know it's an alpha |
| 21:14.42 | dreyruugr | sancus: That would be foolish |
| 21:14.44 | Cide | Qzot: I'll remember it though |
| 21:14.44 | Qzot | Cide: As you wish. I've give my comment. |
| 21:14.45 | Kirkburn | Since when do you get to play and see alphas? |
| 21:14.50 | dreyruugr | People would bitch about things that might not ship |
| 21:15.30 | sancus | I didn't say play |
| 21:15.30 | dreyruugr | And they would bitch when things were changed before ship |
| 21:15.30 | Beladona | NO game developer says hey! Lemme tell you all about this game we are developing! every detail! sit down, this may take a while |
| 21:15.30 | sancus | actually |
| 21:15.30 | sancus | you'd be surprised |
| 21:15.30 | KevICG | sancus: I think it's a philosophical difference. On one hand, feedback at every level of the design process can be a good thing, on the other hand, a lot of feedback is meaningless prattling of the uninformed and ignorant |
| 21:15.30 | sancus | it is a philosophical difference |
| 21:15.30 | Kirkburn | Yes, I damn well would, sancus |
| 21:15.32 | sancus | blizzard doesn't talk to anyone |
| 21:15.33 | KevICG | jinx |
| 21:15.34 | sancus | the end |
| 21:15.39 | Beladona | I disagree |
| 21:15.40 | sancus | I was agreeing with you :) |
| 21:15.41 | Osagasu | Beladona: Squaresoft. Kingdom Hearts 2. Enough said. |
| 21:15.41 | dreyruugr | no smart game developer does |
| 21:15.45 | sancus | that's false |
| 21:15.53 | sancus | there are game studios that talk far more to their userbase |
| 21:15.55 | sancus | CCP is a great example |
| 21:16.10 | malreth | a good developer ignores the ranting and braying of their userbase |
| 21:16.12 | sancus | they have detailed design discussions with their players on their forums all the time, about stuff that isn't going live for months |
| 21:16.12 | Industrial | Check out this GFX card funkyness http://hellsblade.xs4all.nl/?p=code |
| 21:16.14 | dreyruugr | You only talk about that which you can guarentee |
| 21:16.17 | Beladona | we aren't saying they talk to their userbase better than anyone on the planet |
| 21:16.20 | Beladona | its all relative |
| 21:16.27 | Kirkburn | sancus, and who has 7 million customers? |
| 21:16.27 | Industrial | Check out this GFX card funkyness http://hellsblade.xs4all.nl:88/?p=code |
| 21:16.29 | Esamynn_ | an alpha gives blizz the ability to live test fundamental game mechanics if they choose to, but a lot of those tests will never result in actual changes to the final system, so they don't tell us about stuff until it's finalized |
| 21:16.32 | Beladona | but to say they ahve horrible userbase communication, is just plain naive |
| 21:16.34 | sancus | Kirkburn: That's a nonsensical argument |
| 21:16.42 | Kirkburn | I would say so are yours :P |
| 21:16.46 | sancus | no |
| 21:16.54 | sancus | because there's dozens of variables involved in the size of subscriber bases |
| 21:17.06 | sancus | you're saying everything blizzard does is 100% justifiable because they have the largest subscriber base |
| 21:17.09 | sancus | that's silly |
| 21:17.18 | Beladona | like what? popularity? quality? target audience? |
| 21:17.18 | sancus | CCP doesn't have a 7 million subscriber base because they don't actually WANT one |
| 21:17.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | whoa |
| 21:17.22 | dreyruugr | what have that done that isn't justifyable? |
| 21:17.28 | malreth | he is not saying that. you're exaggerating, sancus |
| 21:17.31 | Beladona | they seem to be doing well regardless of WHAT variable you look at |
| 21:17.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | all of a sudden shapeshifting is pulling aggro |
| 21:17.32 | sancus | no, he is saying that |
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| 21:17.36 | KevICG | sancus: CCP has a fairly intelligent userbase. all you have to do is look at any of the blizz forums to realize that WoW's userbase has a high asshat factor |
| 21:17.39 | Kirkburn1 | Fricking disconnects |
| 21:17.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just pulled aggro in strat by shifting into cat form |
| 21:17.55 | sancus | KevICQ: Oh, yep, that is definitely a factor, and that's one of the reasons they don't want a7M userbase ;p |
| 21:17.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | they attacked me in stealth @_@ |
| 21:17.59 | malreth | we we can all agree on is that blizzard does not communicate enough to your satisfaction, sancus |
| 21:18.14 | Kirkburn1 | You may complain that blizz don't communicate enough - but who makes the best products? |
| 21:18.31 | zenzelezz | awesomeness in a small cute box marked with "cool stuff"... first day in just about two weeks that my server hasn't been too lagged for my guild to raid |
| 21:18.34 | Beladona | I am happy with their communication level thus far. Sure I wish I had more info, but the fact is, no one outside the company SHOULD have all the details |
| 21:18.40 | Kirkburn1 | Which company has consistently produced the best games out there? |
| 21:19.03 | sancus | I don't agree that WoW is the best game out there |
| 21:19.06 | sancus | so, not Blizzard |
| 21:19.14 | Beladona | then what are you doing here |
| 21:19.24 | malreth | a valid response... he can be here if he wants |
| 21:19.27 | sancus | And their policies for their non-MMOG games do not necessarily function equally well for an MMOG |
| 21:19.28 | Beladona | besides inciting riot |
| 21:19.39 | malreth | not everyone here in this channel has to think blizzard makes the best games |
| 21:19.40 | Cairenn | okay guys, time to wind it back a notch |
| 21:20.06 | Cairenn | hell, I don't think blizzard makes the "best games", I don't think anyone does ... after all, what the hell is "best"? |
| 21:20.17 | gnorlish | final fantasy tactics |
| 21:20.18 | Beladona | in the end, the quality of their public and customer relations is totally based on the opinions of their customers |
| 21:20.20 | gnorlish | hands down |
| 21:20.22 | KevICG | I think it's a matter of blizzard being confident in their ability to produce a good game without user feedback. Perhaps hubris, but then again, they have a good track record. I sincerely doubt they are foolish enough to be entirely unaware of the various issues different classes have |
| 21:20.31 | Beladona | fromt aht I can surmise that 7 million people are happy enough to stick around |
| 21:20.33 | malreth | agreed, KevICG |
| 21:20.45 | Kirkburn | I wish I'd never said the 'best' comment now ... |
| 21:20.48 | Qzot | Right. The best games are played in the ... oh, nm. |
| 21:20.51 | malreth | blizzard has made a very successful game, that's for suure |
| 21:20.57 | Cairenn | Qzot: bedroom ;) |
| 21:21.05 | Esamynn_ | lol |
| 21:21.09 | Qzot | I didn't say it. :D |
| 21:21.12 | Beladona | or the bar |
| 21:21.17 | Esamynn_ | Cairenn: ~lart ! ;) |
| 21:21.18 | Qzot | O.O |
| 21:21.19 | Cairenn | no, but I did |
| 21:21.46 | Kirkburn | Makes me wonder what bars Beladona goes to |
| 21:22.01 | KevICG | good ones |
| 21:22.09 | Esamynn_ | ~emulate cair |
| 21:22.13 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 21:22.13 | Kirkburn | Evidently :P |
| 21:22.13 | malreth | no... the BEST ones |
| 21:22.15 | KevICG | heh |
| 21:22.26 | Esamynn_ | hmm, i wonder ... |
| 21:22.30 | Esamynn_ | ~emulate qzot |
| 21:22.31 | purl | Gree! |
| 21:22.43 | Kirkburn | sancus, if you were talking about the suggestion forum getting no responses in particular - it's because of legal issues |
| 21:22.49 | sancus | no I wasn't |
| 21:22.52 | malreth | purl, botsnack |
| 21:22.52 | purl | malreth: aw, gee |
| 21:22.54 | Kirkburn | k |
| 21:23.03 | sancus | and I really can't even tell you about what I'm talking about in particular due to that fancy NDA |
| 21:23.07 | Qzot | Cide: I said my piece. This is extra credit: May I suggest the same shapeshift buttons, but not *inside* the frame, but abutting the lower right corner of the bigger inspect frame? |
| 21:23.26 | sancus | so w/e, back to work |
| 21:23.26 | Beladona | I think one of the reasons Blizzard makes good games, and specifically has done so well in wow, is that many if not a majority of their dev, and supporting people are gamers first. They know what they like, and they develop around it. They do get user feedback, which is why BC is in closed beta right now. But in the end, they release what THEY feel is quality, which should be true with ANY developer |
| 21:23.28 | malreth | purl loves me... because i keep bacon in my pocket |
| 21:23.55 | Cide | hm, not sure all four would fit there, Qzot |
| 21:24.04 | Beladona | anyway, back later |
| 21:24.05 | Kirkburn | (I've never actually seen an alpha where the public has been able to see so much of it as they have WoW:BC) |
| 21:24.09 | Esamynn_ | malreth: careful, you'll get purl fat! |
| 21:24.10 | Cide | it adds moonkin if you have the talent |
| 21:24.25 | Qzot | Cide: I'm meaning outside and to the right of the inspect frame. |
| 21:24.39 | Qzot | Not inside. That would be roughly equivalent to the current. |
| 21:25.07 | Cide | ah |
| 21:25.12 | Qzot | My intuition is that this would match players' expectations, since their shapeshift bar is outside their inspect frame. |
| 21:25.42 | KevICG | put some spanish inquisition buttons there, nobody would expect that |
| 21:25.51 | Kirkburn | rofl |
| 21:25.59 | malreth | NOBODY expects the spanish inquisition. |
| 21:26.15 | Kirkburn | I've met Michael Palin :) |
| 21:26.15 | ckknight | I know I don't. |
| 21:26.31 | Kirkburn | Made him sign about 7 books :P |
| 21:26.36 | KevICG | I met Jasper Fforde but he's not near as famous |
| 21:26.39 | malreth | Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise... |
| 21:26.54 | Qzot | Is Palin the Himalaya guy? |
| 21:27.00 | Kirkburn | yep |
| 21:27.09 | zenzelezz | he's the traveler |
| 21:27.10 | malreth | Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms - Oh damn! |
| 21:27.30 | Qzot | Someone Please Abuse Malreth. |
| 21:27.37 | Kirkburn | You could have also said "Sahara", "Pole to Pole", "Full Circle" ... |
| 21:27.44 | Qzot | Oh. |
| 21:27.49 | Kirkburn | Qzot, I think someone did ;P |
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| 21:28.09 | Qzot | S.P.A.M. |
| 21:28.12 | malreth | oo! |
| 21:28.24 | Cairenn | you sure you want to evade? ;) |
| 21:28.39 | Qzot | S.P.A.M. S.P.A.M. S.P.A.M. S.P.A.M. |
| 21:28.44 | Esamynn_ | ~lart Qzot |
| 21:28.52 | Esamynn_ | haha |
| 21:29.07 | malreth | ok, i gotta go home... i love my home |
| 21:29.12 | malreth | so home i go |
| 21:29.14 | malreth | later |
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| 21:29.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | oy i think strat is broken |
| 21:29.58 | Cairenn | Qzot: MAPS |
| 21:30.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i keep pulling aggro by shapeshifting, things keep breaking my stealth without hitting me or anything |
| 21:30.21 | Qzot | Cide: Personally, I find the javascript opening a new window ugly. Takes away my choice of where to open stuff. Bleah. |
| 21:33.20 | Qzot | Cide: Hmm. Are you seeing my equipment on http://ctprofiles.net/3311206 ? |
| 21:33.49 | Qzot | It's opening up blank for me. |
| 21:34.09 | Cide | blank, yes |
| 21:34.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | blank |
| 21:34.25 | Qzot | Is that working as intended? |
| 21:34.38 | Cide | did you add your equipment to the profile? |
| 21:34.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | tank tomorrow is working |
| 21:35.12 | Qzot | When I click Tank Today, I see all my current equipment. |
| 21:35.33 | Qzot | Crap. Nm. |
| 21:35.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | tank today is working too |
| 21:35.47 | Qzot | There's no button there to "link to this profile"? |
| 21:35.57 | Qzot | I apparently have to hand edit that link. |
| 21:36.10 | Cide | no idea what you're talking about |
| 21:36.33 | Qzot | I want to be able to hand people a link to my "Tank Today" profile. |
| 21:36.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | highlight tank today |
| 21:37.01 | Cide | then go to that profile |
| 21:37.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | and go to link to this profile |
| 21:37.04 | Cide | Link to this profile: |
| 21:37.04 | Cide | http://ctprofiles.net/3031520 |
| 21:37.13 | Qzot | Exactly. |
| 21:37.25 | Cide | which links to your tank today profile with full gear |
| 21:37.29 | Qzot | Yup. |
| 21:37.34 | Cide | what's the problem? |
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| 21:37.47 | Qzot | Note that there's no place to pick up that link from. No place I can just do a copy. |
| 21:37.50 | JoshBorke | CTRA2 is the problem! |
| 21:37.59 | Cide | from the profile |
| 21:38.13 | Cide | you also see if it you go to edit on the normal site |
| 21:38.20 | Cide | there's a "Link to main profile: [...]" |
| 21:38.44 | Qzot | That gives me the longer link, http://ctprofiles.net/profiles.ct?a=edit&cid=498381&pid=3031520 |
| 21:38.54 | Qzot | Equivalent, I guess. |
| 21:39.03 | Cide | no |
| 21:39.09 | Cide | not the link in the url window |
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| 21:39.36 | Cide | if you go to that link, you should see your avatar up top |
| 21:39.37 | Qzot | Okay. I must be missing something again. |
| 21:39.52 | Qzot | I'm at http://ctprofiles.net/profiles.ct?a=edit&cid=498381&pid=3031520 |
| 21:39.56 | Qzot | Use small words. :D |
| 21:40.08 | Cide | I see: "Swede - Doomhammer (Horde) \n Level 60 Male Undead, Priest \n Full member of Juggernaut \n \n Link to View Main Profile: [http://ctprofiles.net/1]" |
| 21:40.21 | Cide | to the right of a picture of a big undead guy |
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| 21:40.55 | Qzot | I see "Link to View Main Profile:" and then in the window, "http://ctprofiles.net/3311206". |
| 21:40.57 | Qzot | BUT... |
| 21:41.49 | Qzot | (1) That's a link to my main proflie, which is not what I want, and (2) if I copy the link (to paste it in email or vent), it's value is "javascript:openProfile(3311206);". |
| 21:42.12 | Cide | for (2), you can copy the text, no need to copy the link |
| 21:42.31 | Qzot | True. |
| 21:42.40 | Cide | as for (1), you're right that there's no link to any of your alternative profiles, which isn't very good design |
| 21:42.47 | Cide | we're going to change it when we get time |
| 21:43.01 | Cide | which is probably when we're done with the site optimizations |
| 21:43.51 | Kirov | http://www.asgardguild.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=496.0;id=74;image |
| 21:44.07 | Cide | t seems that you are not allowed to download or view attachments on this board. |
| 21:44.08 | Cide | Please login below or register an account with Asgard Guild. |
| 21:44.14 | Cide | ack, sorry for the spam |
| 21:44.16 | Qzot | As to (2), yes, I didn't think of carefully selecting the text, rather than conveniently right-clicking on the link and selecting link location, which is what I do to cut-and-paste most URLs. I should have been more creative. |
| 21:44.22 | Kirov | doh |
| 21:44.46 | Cide | Qzot: you're mostly right though; we could change it to a direct link and a javascript onclick, that's probably a good idea |
| 21:46.07 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/wowserverupgrade.jpg |
| 21:47.32 | Cide | haha, nice |
| 21:48.02 | Kirov | my server is one of the ones down for 36 hours |
| 21:48.05 | Kirov | >.< |
| 21:48.19 | zenzelezz | US server? |
| 21:48.26 | Kirov | aye |
| 21:48.36 | tyroney | 15 alts for the win! |
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| 21:48.48 | zenzelezz | well, I wish mine had been taken down for a few days straight instead of the nonsense we've had |
| 21:48.49 | Kirov | We call our server "Gunnacrash" |
| 21:49.25 | Kirov | (Gorgonash) |
| 21:49.33 | ckknight | hehe |
| 21:49.48 | zenzelezz | first the hardware upgrade took longer than expected, then when they came up they were so laggy raiding during prime-time (which is the only time my guild can) that it was hopeless to even try |
| 21:50.04 | zenzelezz | today was the first day in just under two weeks that there was no lag |
| 21:50.51 | Qzot | I, for one, would prefer to be able to do a middle-click in Firefox and have it open a new tab, rather than popping up a new window. |
| 21:51.31 | wereHamster | Qzot, there's a plugin for that |
| 21:51.39 | ckknight | I call it Opera. |
| 21:51.47 | ckknight | :-P |
| 21:51.54 | gnorlish | my firefox does that |
| 21:52.06 | wereHamster | a plugin that let's you configure when/how FF opens new tabs/windows |
| 21:52.08 | Qzot | I like Firefox, tyvm. |
| 21:52.22 | JoshBorke | Qzot: i use middle-click in firefox to open tabs all the time |
| 21:52.36 | Qzot | wereHamster: I don't feel the need for such a plugin, except in one or two non-standard sites. |
| 21:52.46 | Qzot | JoshBorke: Exactly. |
| 21:52.53 | gnorlish | i don't think i use an extension for it |
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| 21:53.00 | JoshBorke | it's part of the base install |
| 21:53.09 | Qzot | JoshBorke: It does not work with middle-clicking on the "Link to View Main Profile" in CTProfiles atm. |
| 21:53.48 | Kirov | Go to FF options, go to tabs, click on "open in new tab" |
| 21:53.55 | Qzot | Grre. |
| 21:54.07 | Qzot | It works, but it doesn't work. You guys aren't listening. |
| 21:54.20 | Qzot | I *know* how to middle-click to get new tabs in Firefox. |
| 21:54.37 | kergoth | just use an extension that can force things to open in new tabs, like tab mix plus |
| 21:54.38 | Kirov | so ... what'd we miss? |
| 21:54.58 | Qzot | But if you try to do that with certain links in CTProfiles, it FUCKS UP, because ctprofiles is trying to do some screwball javascript nonsense. |
| 21:55.00 | JoshBorke | basically middle-click doesn't work with javascript? |
| 21:55.02 | GeoDaMancer | NOTHING! |
| 21:55.04 | Gryphen | it doesnt work with javascript links |
| 21:55.32 | Qzot | So I end up with a new tab, and an empty one, with the URL, "javascript:openProfile(3311206);", which is not very helpful. |
| 21:55.52 | Kirov | ah |
| 21:56.03 | Qzot | JoshBorke: Yes, it does not appear to work with javascript. |
| 21:56.07 | Cide | Kirov: hmm?! |
| 21:56.19 | Kirov | using javascript to open new windows |
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| 21:56.37 | Cide | what's wrong with that? :P |
| 21:57.00 | gnorlish | i right click it and open it in a new explorer window |
| 21:57.01 | Qzot | Nothing. Users love surprises. |
| 21:57.05 | Kirov | Cide - because then those of us that like to keep things in tabs get screwed. |
| 21:57.06 | gnorlish | using some ie extension |
| 21:57.18 | Cide | I use it with tabs just fine |
| 21:58.04 | GeoDaMancer | Tabs are great. |
| 21:59.21 | Kirov | Cide - it's going from the profile edit page to the public page |
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| 22:11.21 | wereHamster | Kirov, you can configure FF to open everything in a new tab instead of a new window |
| 22:14.23 | TS|Skrom | Could someone decipher something for me? |
| 22:14.54 | Kirov | TS|Skrom - they're saying, "Kill all the babies!" |
| 22:15.09 | TS|Skrom | I knew it >.< |
| 22:15.25 | TS|Skrom | http://wowi.pastey.net/774 |
| 22:15.25 | GeoDaMancer | Someone can try? |
| 22:15.27 | Qzot | Are you going to tell us how it was enciphered? |
| 22:15.41 | TS|Skrom | jeez I was taking awhile to cut and paste you think I was killing babies or something |
| 22:15.43 | Qzot | Or are we talking cryptanalytic attack here? |
| 22:16.13 | TS|Skrom | that's from perl (actually x-perl) unit frames |
| 22:16.20 | Kirov | TS|Skrom - what's the problem? |
| 22:16.28 | TS|Skrom | I'm trying to hook that function in order to do what I was doing earlier with the default frames |
| 22:16.53 | TS|Skrom | it doesn't seem to be working quite the same though so I figured I was doing something wrong |
| 22:17.21 | GeoDaMancer | Well... |
| 22:17.22 | TS|Skrom | I guess what I'm saying is.. under what condiftion would Perl_Custom_ClickFunction return true? |
| 22:17.26 | GeoDaMancer | Is it not working? |
| 22:17.37 | TS|Skrom | no it's not :( |
| 22:17.51 | GeoDaMancer | It looks like you're missing a ). |
| 22:17.58 | GeoDaMancer | Never mind. |
| 22:18.01 | GeoDaMancer | I'm half asleep. xD |
| 22:18.12 | TS|Skrom | .lol |
| 22:18.18 | Kirov | TS|Skrom - this is XPerl? |
| 22:18.21 | TS|Skrom | no, that type of error I could fix on my own lol |
| 22:18.26 | TS|Skrom | Kirov - yep |
| 22:18.37 | TS|Skrom | I copied that from perl.lua |
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| 22:19.54 | Kirov | ok |
| 22:20.16 | Kirov | so, if your custom function does something return true, else return false. |
| 22:22.13 | TS|Skrom | oh.. so if my custom doesn't return anything it will never hit that true part |
| 22:22.38 | Kirov | correct |
| 22:22.40 | GeoDaMancer | Yeah. |
| 22:22.52 | GeoDaMancer | That's what the description says. |
| 22:23.57 | TS|Skrom | GeoDaMancer smart ass :p |
| 22:24.20 | GeoDaMancer | What, I mean, you had the answer there. : P |
| 22:24.46 | TS|Skrom | doesn't mean I knew what it meant! I needed someone smarter to make it clear |
| 22:24.58 | GeoDaMancer | Hahah. xD |
| 22:25.06 | GeoDaMancer | Alright. |
| 22:25.16 | GeoDaMancer | I need one of those things too, the Widget API is confuddling. |
| 22:26.01 | TS|Skrom | and actually (and I'm not lying here) just before kirov answered I thought to myself... I wonder if that means I need to include a return true statement in my custom... |
| 22:26.11 | TS|Skrom | and then one of my coworkers decided to come by for a chat |
| 22:26.11 | TS|Skrom | ... |
| 22:26.12 | TS|Skrom | ugh |
| 22:26.15 | GeoDaMancer | xD |
| 22:26.18 | TS|Skrom | it's after hours, go away! |
| 22:28.49 | TS|Skrom | *grumblegrumble* case sensitivity *grumble grumble* cannot call function IsAddonLoaded *grumble grumble* I'll show you a capital "O" |
| 22:29.21 | GeoDaMancer | Heheheh. I hate that. |
| 22:29.39 | GeoDaMancer | Yay, maybe my server'll be up now. |
| 22:30.54 | Kirkburn | Lol, I was just chopping up a cucumber and nearly put the end on my plate and the knife in the bin :/ |
| 22:31.24 | GeoDaMancer | I've done that. |
| 22:31.37 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 22:31.56 | Qzot | Knives are sharp. |
| 22:32.00 | Qzot | Sometimes people aren't. |
| 22:32.15 | Kirkburn | Qzot wins a Brainy Star |
| 22:32.16 | GeoDaMancer | I'm the brightest tool in the shed. xD |
| 22:32.26 | Qzot | Knives have points. |
| 22:32.33 | Qzot | Sometimes Qzot's comments don't. |
| 22:32.35 | Kirkburn | rofl |
| 22:32.47 | Kirov | GeoDaMancer - considering most tools don't have a built in light source, there's not much competition |
| 22:33.08 | Kirkburn | It might be a shed of torches, you don't know that ... |
| 22:33.25 | Kirkburn | Perhaps the shed is being burnt down? Eh? Eh? |
| 22:33.27 | GeoDaMancer | : D That's the point. |
| 22:33.58 | Kirkburn | Didn't think of that did'ya! *truimphant grunt* |
| 22:34.15 | Kirkburn | s/truimphant/triumphant/ |
| 22:35.00 | Kirkburn | purl, botsnack |
| 22:35.00 | purl | Kirkburn: aw, gee |
| 22:35.50 | Kirkburn | Not you, fake purl :P |
| 22:35.52 | TS|Skrom | ut oh |
| 22:36.01 | Kirkburn | purI, botslap |
| 22:36.29 | Kirkburn | This won't confuse anyone |
| 22:36.34 | Qzot | Shurely not |
| 22:36.35 | Kirov | Another fine mess you've gotten me into. |
| 22:36.46 | Kirov | Need to practice... |
| 22:36.48 | Qzot | Wait, who am I again? |
| 22:36.50 | Kirkburn | Though, perhaps when people respond to me they might actually get the nick correct again |
| 22:36.51 | Kirov | ~emulate Kirov |
| 22:36.53 | purl | my butt got a DMCA from blizzard. |
| 22:36.58 | Qzot | We shoudl begin a coven |
| 22:37.11 | Kirkburn | Qzot - you're Rowne |
| 22:37.13 | Qzot | lol Kirkburn |
| 22:37.20 | Qzot | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 22:37.27 | Kirkburn | ~emulate rowne |
| 22:37.29 | purl | Abuuuh? |
| 22:38.50 | Kirkburn | I'm taking you home for tea! |
| 22:39.09 | Kirov | As food, or as a guest? |
| 22:39.28 | Kirkburn | tea equalling FOOD here, I'm not at home to alive pheasants |
| 22:40.45 | Kirov | Yes, yes. I gathered that much. |
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| 22:42.16 | Qzot | Time to, er, guess my own password |
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| 22:43.34 | hell_lord | the clearfont dude in here? |
| 22:44.05 | Kaso | Kirkburn! |
| 22:44.05 | Kirkburn | Ahem, sorry, yes, hello :) |
| 22:44.27 | Kirkburn | Kirov, you kicked Qzot, didn't you! |
| 22:44.36 | Kirov | perhaps |
| 22:44.41 | Kirkburn | hell_lord, how may I help you? |
| 22:44.43 | Kirov | Techincally I kicked Kirov |
| 22:44.49 | Kirkburn | technically yes |
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| 22:45.06 | hell_lord | i'm looking at your screenshots and i really wanted to know which addons some of these things are |
| 22:45.13 | Kirkburn | _Technically_ I wish to help the devil at the moment, but I'd like to think not |
| 22:45.32 | Kirkburn | On my website I've got a list of them :) |
| 22:46.02 | Kirkburn | Generally it's sinsmod for the player frames, half of Cosmos for moving stuff and Titan Panel, though I'm now using FuBar |
| 22:46.11 | hell_lord | darn, i didn't scroll down low enough, thanks |
| 22:46.15 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 22:46.41 | Kirkburn | I currently have about 100 addons active :) |
| 22:47.01 | hell_lord | i've been mixing and matching for a long time cause titan makes my box cry |
| 22:47.21 | Kirkburn | FuBar, FuBar, FuBar! |
| 22:47.40 | hell_lord | you are a fan of ace2 i take it? |
| 22:48.06 | Kirkburn | Let's just say ckknight had a knife to my throat and I had a rethink about my life values |
| 22:48.38 | Kirkburn | Seriously though, it's much better in every way |
| 22:48.43 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 22:48.58 | hell_lord | i know, it's just unfortunate that it has taken so long for a lot of projects to use it |
| 22:49.11 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 22:49.13 | hell_lord | SCT is on the bandwagon now, which is nice |
| 22:49.18 | Industrial | dont wait for things you use to use that |
| 22:49.24 | Industrial | start looking for things that use that |
| 22:49.27 | Industrial | and use those |
| 22:49.44 | Industrial | the ace svn has like |
| 22:49.45 | Kirkburn | I now have 19 Fubar plugins to choose from now however :) |
| 22:49.46 | Industrial | *counts* |
| 22:49.51 | hell_lord | yeah, i try to, but sometimes you can't find anything |
| 22:49.57 | Kirkburn | Something like 20-25 Industrial? |
| 22:50.07 | hell_lord | i spent a while trying to find a ace2 replacement for cooldowncount |
| 22:50.25 | Kirkburn | hell_lord, have you checked here? http://svn.wowace.com/files/ |
| 22:50.33 | hell_lord | yeah, that's where i have been searching |
| 22:50.38 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 22:50.59 | hell_lord | what's the transparent quest objectives you have under the minimap there |
| 22:51.07 | Kirkburn | Okay, I take back my suggestion of 20-25 Fubar addons on the svn, it's a hell of a lot more |
| 22:51.12 | Industrial | Kirkburn, more like 300+ addons |
| 22:51.16 | Industrial | in the ace svn |
| 22:51.41 | Kirkburn | Well, that's not what I was saying, silly :P |
| 22:51.55 | Industrial | well im not talking fubar only |
| 22:51.56 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:51.57 | Kirkburn | hell_lord, that's part of the default UI now |
| 22:52.10 | hell_lord | i hate that quest btw, the one where you have to get the 4 types of alcohol... it takes too long and the reward stinks :-) |
| 22:52.19 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:52.25 | Industrial | ALLIANCE ALLIANCE |
| 22:52.28 | Industrial | BURN THEM |
| 22:52.38 | Kirkburn | ow |
| 22:52.47 | Iriel | The alliance is too moist to burn |
| 22:52.56 | Iriel | they merely smolder, righteously |
| 22:53.02 | Kirkburn | For the quest tracking I think you shift+click the quest name in the log |
| 22:53.13 | Industrial | Kirkburn, check out FuBar-Quests |
| 22:53.16 | Industrial | its much nicer |
| 22:53.19 | Industrial | imho |
| 22:53.20 | Iriel | it does auto tracking if you're in the right zone now, unless you turn it off |
| 22:53.46 | Iriel | it may require you to actually collect an objective |
| 22:53.51 | Kirkburn | As I said I have 19 Fubar addons - guess which one of them is, Industrial :P |
| 22:54.03 | Iriel | all I know is that the right thing pops up when I go hunting things for a quest, its quite handy |
| 22:54.14 | Kirkburn | If you complete an objective it stays on the screen for 5 mins with that option |
| 22:54.41 | Kirkburn | (with that option on, I mean) |
| 22:54.41 | Iriel | I'm getting close to ditching monkeyquest |
| 22:54.41 | hell_lord | i see, i have been using uberquest but the minion is not very friendly about resizing |
| 22:56.12 | Kirkburn | Silly minion |
| 22:56.38 | hell_lord | haha you use elite player frame, from ultimateUI right? |
| 22:56.58 | Kirkburn | I used to - you can see it in the really old screenshots. Standalone though |
| 22:57.12 | hell_lord | i hacked a standalone version of it actually |
| 22:57.28 | hell_lord | i don't remember if i submitted it to a page or not |
| 22:57.29 | Kirkburn | I've used Cosmos pretty much ever since I started playing, so I've never needed any UI packs |
| 22:57.58 | Kirkburn | Elite Player Frame was a standalone addon though ... |
| 22:58.18 | zenzelezz | I thought Cosmos was just a big UI pack (sort of) |
| 22:58.26 | hell_lord | yeah, it used to not be, it was part of ultimateUI |
| 22:58.33 | Kirkburn | Any other ones, zenzelezz :P |
| 22:58.38 | hell_lord | it had a hook in it for ultimateUI |
| 22:58.55 | Kirkburn | Ooh, EPF is no longer on worldofwar.net |
| 22:58.58 | hell_lord | i took it out and put in a slash command, but i think someone else had that idea too and submitted a standalone one... this was like last year :\ |
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| 23:00.20 | hell_lord | what's the square map addon? |
| 23:00.26 | hell_lord | minimap, that is |
| 23:00.28 | Kirkburn | Square Minimap |
| 23:00.43 | Kirkburn | Hasn't been updated recently, but works perfectly still |
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| 23:05.37 | hell_lord | maybe if the servers ever get up i can test these addons |
| 23:05.44 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 23:05.53 | Kirkburn | Affected by the 36 hour downtime? |
| 23:06.28 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: THanks for your help last week |
| 23:07.15 | Kirkburn | Hey no problemo :) |
| 23:07.18 | Kirkburn | Had a nice time? |
| 23:07.22 | Qzot | Has anyone heard if there will be any attempt to get mod developers into the closed beta, apart from the regular avenues? |
| 23:07.50 | cladhaire | yeah I did |
| 23:08.17 | MentalPower|Univ | Oh great, I just read the advisory on backing up my friends & ignore lists... |
| 23:09.58 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I should do the same myself, lest it happen to me |
| 23:10.07 | hell_lord | i remember the good old days when addons came in 1 folder |
| 23:10.10 | Kirkburn | Qzot, not that I've heard of |
| 23:10.27 | Kirov | hell_lord - heh |
| 23:11.22 | Mery | is the good old days when addons came in one FrameXML folder? |
| 23:11.25 | Kirov | hell_lord - while there will continue to be addons that come in multiple folders, there seems to be a movement at least in the Ace community to condense that some |
| 23:12.17 | Kirov | though, I have to say ace addons and their ilk are probably one of the major contributors to multi-addon addons. |
| 23:12.27 | Kirov | even with out "Ace" |
| 23:13.26 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.43 | hell_lord | fubar, eh? |
| 23:13.44 | Kirov | For the sake of memory, modularizing every addon in to components that can be loaded on demand to control what features are available. |
| 23:14.24 | Kirkburn | In a way yes - but that's because it's several authors making the plugins |
| 23:14.26 | Kirov | hell_lord - fubar / titan / infobar it makes sense as it's multiple people contributing addons to a container addon. |
| 23:14.40 | End | yeah, those addons are "pluginable" |
| 23:14.46 | hell_lord | naw i mean i'm about to try fubar |
| 23:14.50 | Kirkburn | A good example of multi folder addons would be Bagnon |
| 23:14.56 | Gryphen | look at BuyEmAll |
| 23:14.59 | Gryphen | heh |
| 23:15.11 | hell_lord | ace should solve that problem because being the master addon manager it doesn't have to require all addons to be in the root addon directory |
| 23:15.23 | Kirov | Bagnon is a good example for sure |
| 23:15.26 | Kirkburn | Bagnon has: Bagnon, Bagnon_Core, Bagnon_Forever, Bagnon_Options, Bagnon_Spot , Bagnon_KC AND Banknon |
| 23:15.35 | Kirov | hell_lord - but it does |
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| 23:15.56 | hell_lord | Kirov: yes it does :-) |
| 23:16.39 | Kirov | hell_lord - A major creedo of Ace is memory usage. If all the addons exist in a subfolder of the main two things happen A) all of those addons exist in WoW regardless of if you use it or not and B) the .toc file has to reference every single one. |
| 23:17.11 | Kirov | Bagnon is evil in that the different folders aren't LoD addons, but referenced by the base .toc |
| 23:17.26 | Kirov | you _have_ to delete them to keep them from being loaded. |
| 23:17.35 | Kirkburn | Not _entirely_ true |
| 23:17.59 | Kirkburn | In fact, unfortunately, false :P |
| 23:18.07 | Kirkburn | Bagnon is now LoD :) |
| 23:18.18 | Kirov | Kirkburn - damn you, stop stopping me from spreading misinformation! |
| 23:18.22 | hell_lord | btw, my favorite addon ever: alphamap |
| 23:18.22 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 23:18.39 | Kirkburn | I started using it recently, it's very good |
| 23:18.58 | Qzot | "LoD"? |
| 23:19.04 | Kirkburn | Load on Demand |
| 23:19.06 | Qzot | Oh. |
| 23:19.11 | Qzot | Got it just before you said. |
| 23:19.15 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 23:19.23 | Kirov | Large oval Domes |
| 23:19.28 | hell_lord | what's the two frame quest log in your 2nd shot? |
| 23:19.29 | Kirkburn | I meant Lord of Destruction of course |
| 23:19.38 | Qzot | Legally obligatory Denials. |
| 23:19.44 | Kirkburn | Party Quests, part of Cosmos |
| 23:20.31 | Qzot | Cide: Sorry about being a pain earlier. Having an ability to see stats in bear form is *very* nice. |
| 23:20.44 | Cide | hehe, no problem :) |
| 23:20.54 | Cide | sorry for being unclear |
| 23:20.55 | Kirkburn | I hate the normal quest log with a passion, a passion rivlled only by my hate of the normal fonts |
| 23:21.13 | Legorol | lot of people use PQ just for the better layout |
| 23:21.14 | Qzot | No, you *were* being clear. But the UI does need some tweaking. |
| 23:21.18 | Legorol | unfortunately at the moment you have to have Telepathy loaded with PQ |
| 23:21.27 | Legorol | which can cause disconnects if both Telepathy and CTRA are loaded when you join a raid |
| 23:21.48 | Kirkburn | Whose fault is it? |
| 23:21.49 | Qzot | Cide: What lg is are the computations written in, and is it available somewhere? |
| 23:21.56 | Cide | php |
| 23:22.06 | Cide | some in javascript (druid forms, for example) |
| 23:22.13 | Gryphen | i hadnt heard that Legorol |
| 23:23.47 | Cide | not giving out the php calculations, though |
| 23:23.47 | Qzot | Cide: I'm thinking of writing an armor optimizer, but I don't want to reconstruct all the base computations. |
| 23:23.47 | Cide | the javascript has a couple of armor calculations |
| 23:23.47 | hell_lord | what do you mean, an armor optimizer |
| 23:23.47 | hell_lord | would it require a itemsmatrix type database? |
| 23:23.47 | Qzot | Cide: Probably have to build my own, then. :P |
| 23:23.47 | Kirkburn | It chooses best armour for you |
| 23:23.48 | Legorol | Gryphen: me and several people in my raid have experienced it |
| 23:23.48 | Legorol | it's like the old Sky disconnects |
| 23:23.50 | Qzot | Kirkburn: You would give it armor/enchant options, and target stats, and it would try to find combinations that work. |
| 23:23.51 | Gryphen | havent had any trouble since the latest changes |
| 23:23.52 | Legorol | the good news is: at last someone (me) on the Cosmos team can reproduce it! which means i might be able to debug it |
| 23:24.06 | Kirkburn | Qzot, sounds cool |
| 23:24.31 | hell_lord | what are you going to use for the database? |
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| 23:25.09 | Qzot | heck_lord: Have it work in-game, and use the player's cache. |
| 23:25.36 | Qzot | heck_lord: Setup might be similar to shopping list. |
| 23:25.37 | hell_lord | but then you can only search through items that you've seen, which makes it less useful |
| 23:26.05 | Qzot | hell_lord: true. But if you're seriously considering a piece, you can probably get a link to it. |
| 23:26.52 | Qzot | hell_lord: I can't think of any piece for my current dilemma that I don't either own, or have a link for. |
| 23:27.25 | hell_lord | i don't know why blizzard made it so the game would crash when you link items you haven't seen yourself |
| 23:27.31 | Qzot | Set bonuses are more problematic. |
| 23:27.47 | hell_lord | that's something they changed specifically, i just don't understand what the problem was with it that made them do that |
| 23:27.55 | hell_lord | i thought that was a fantastic feature |
| 23:28.17 | Mery | because people sereched for items that have never be seen and should have been unknown untill the bosses had actually been killed |
| 23:28.23 | Mery | searched* |
| 23:29.02 | Qzot | Speculatively, it might also have been easier to have the client disconnect when you tried to *send* the item, rather than only relying on the server to check. |
| 23:29.28 | hell_lord | nah i don't think that's the reason |
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| 23:29.39 | hell_lord | i mean, the database i had i am sure was collected from items seen in game |
| 23:30.12 | hell_lord | if people want to go look at items that can't be seen yet they're welcome to as far as blizzard is concerned they're still using the same mpq format that there have been viewers for for like 6 years |
| 23:30.24 | Qzot | Cide: I'm not trying to put pressure on, but can you tell the reason you don't want to hand the php calculations out? Is it because getting them right was painful enough you're trying to keep a competitive edge? |
| 23:30.41 | Mery | but they cannot get the stats (the important part for most) from the mpq's |
| 23:31.01 | Cide | because we don't want to ;) |
| 23:31.04 | Qzot | Cide: I'm asking solely for the purpose of trying to figure out how daunting the task is to get something like that right. |
| 23:31.13 | Cide | what do you want, specifically? |
| 23:31.19 | hell_lord | so how is it possible to get the stats for a weapon in game without seeing it then? |
| 23:31.24 | hell_lord | oh, i see what you mean. |
| 23:31.48 | Qzot | At some point, I will need a function that given a bunch of items that go into separate slots, to produce all the various stats. |
| 23:31.48 | hell_lord | but then again, people link epics on trade all the time and after that i can link them |
| 23:31.59 | hell_lord | doesn't seem to be much harm in just having 'em all to start |
| 23:32.07 | Mery | like take AQ: once the test realm were up you got alot of screenshots showing all loot you could get without anybody going in there and kill a boss, hence spoil the suprise |
| 23:32.18 | Qzot | Cide: And enchants, and talent and form modifiers. Bleah. |
| 23:32.26 | Cide | yeah, we're not giving that out |
| 23:32.42 | Qzot | Cide: Yes, I realized that. And I'm not trying to change your answer. |
| 23:33.17 | Cide | I could help if you want something simple such as the armor class to damage reduction formula, but most of those are already public |
| 23:33.43 | Qzot | Cide: But I'm trying to see if I can get more info on why, because some of your reasons would be useful info for me. To wit, if it was becasue you had to invest hours and hours into getting them right, it might not be worth my time to try and repeat that work. |
| 23:33.49 | hell_lord | Qzot: if i was writing it i'd consider doing it out of game |
| 23:34.15 | hell_lord | Qzot: or just finding anyone you could distribute a database of items with it |
| 23:34.21 | hell_lord | Qzot: any way that is |
| 23:34.26 | Cide | Qzot: it's a lot of work, yes |
| 23:34.29 | Qzot | hell_lord: I've been doing that so far, but it runs quickly into the DB problem which you already mentioned, and still doesn't get around getting the computation right in the first place. |
| 23:34.42 | Cide | Qzot: it's probably more work to do some of the stuff out of game than in-game |
| 23:35.19 | Cide | specifically, parsing spell information (only way to get information from Equip: modifiers on items, for example) is *very* ugly |
| 23:36.17 | Qzot | Cide: I realize parsing the tooltip is a pain. Are there places where some of the spell info modifies stats? |
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| 23:36.38 | Cide | not really, most spells add to an item's stats |
| 23:36.58 | Cide | but there isn't a whole lot of information around, so you need to parse and link all that stuff together yourself, pretty much |
| 23:37.26 | Qzot | Yeah. I figured that much. |
| 23:37.32 | jaxdahl | what's up with curse? |
| 23:37.50 | hell_lord | i don't know, it's been down |
| 23:38.12 | hell_lord | it is down or really slow pretty often, usually on patch day too so i think maybe people are rethinking their UIs on patch day (i know i do) |
| 23:38.42 | hell_lord | more like what's up with WoW it needs to get up now, i've been waiting for 2 hours longer and i have to leave for a meeting in 1 hour >< |
| 23:39.10 | Qzot | Cide: I'm probably being naive, but I assumed parsing the tooltip for stats, attack power, and crit/hit (maybe a couple others for healing and spell damage) would be enough to compute: health, str/agi/sta/int/spi/ac/AP. |
| 23:39.12 | TS|Skrom | er... I think I'm getting too tired.. what's the command to convert a string to lower case? |
| 23:39.16 | hell_lord | my precious Mug'Thol is getting a hardware upgrade :-P |
| 23:39.30 | Cide | Qzot: out of game, or in game? |
| 23:39.57 | Qzot | Thet parse would have to be in-game. Whether I used the data scraped from that in-game or out is another matter. |
| 23:40.00 | Mery | string.lower |
| 23:40.14 | Cide | Qzot: I imagine it would be easier in-game, yes |
| 23:40.17 | hell_lord | Qzot: why don't you let loot link do the parsing for you |
| 23:40.36 | Qzot | A possibility. Or hack ItemSync, which is what I use. |
| 23:40.47 | TS|Skrom | Mery thank you >< |
| 23:40.55 | Qzot | Hmm. wait. I don't know if either of them parse for the stats, tho. |
| 23:41.28 | hell_lord | lootlink presents the item in a link as if it were being linked from your inventory or bag, with all relevant information |
| 23:41.46 | Qzot | Parsing is a pain, but I don't foresee major problems there. I really don't want to reverse all the computations, tho, for all the talent builds of all the classes. |
| 23:41.51 | hell_lord | s/relevant// |
| 23:41.55 | Mery | strlower works too I never know if there is any difference |
| 23:42.04 | hell_lord | purl: i love you |
| 23:42.05 | purl | You love you? |
| 23:42.30 | Qzot | hell_lord: Which is different than {sta=7, str=5, agi=22, agi=0, spi=0, ...}. |
| 23:42.55 | hell_lord | how is it different |
| 23:43.34 | Qzot | hell_lord: One of them has the info to reproduce the tooltip. The other understands the underlying information used to construct the tooltip. |
| 23:44.16 | hell_lord | Qzot: Are you implying that the info used to reproduce the tooltip does _not_ have that information included? |
| 23:44.34 | Qzot | I'm saying that it hasn't been parsed yet. |
| 23:44.49 | Industrial | http://www.ie7.com/ |
| 23:45.16 | cladhaire | heh |
| 23:45.22 | Mery | lol |
| 23:45.35 | Qzot | o.O |
| 23:45.38 | Industrial | IN YOUR FACE MICROSOFT |
| 23:45.46 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 23:45.58 | AnduinLothar | score. new 80gb ipods for $50 less than the 30gb one |
| 23:46.04 | hell_lord | hmm i don't think lootlink just pushes the information along ignorant of its data fields |
| 23:46.11 | Gryphen | MS got owned, too bad FF sux |
| 23:46.12 | Gryphen | lolz |
| 23:46.14 | hell_lord | but assumptions are useless so i'll shut up |
| 23:46.31 | Qzot | hell_lord: That's exactly what it did several months ago, when I was last using it. |
| 23:46.49 | hell_lord | Qzot: that makes me sad |
| 23:46.52 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Still waiting for the merom MBP =/ |
| 23:47.15 | Qzot | hell_lord: Yup. |
| 23:47.38 | Qzot | That's one of the reasons insomniax switch to itemsync. Less of a memory burden. |
| 23:47.39 | AnduinLothar | mbp? |
| 23:48.03 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Macbook Pro |
| 23:48.04 | hell_lord | ever look at itemsmatrix? it's older |
| 23:48.05 | Industrial | AnduinLothar, url/ |
| 23:48.08 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 23:48.18 | AnduinLothar | http://www.apple.com/ipod/ipod.html |
| 23:48.24 | Qzot | hell_lord: Nope. |
| 23:48.34 | AnduinLothar | new nanos and aTINY shuffle too |
| 23:48.48 | AnduinLothar | http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/ |
| 23:48.55 | AnduinLothar | http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/ |
| 23:50.26 | AnduinLothar | wow 24 hours battery life in the nano |
| 23:50.48 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: of playlife? |
| 23:51.01 | Kirkburn | Mac fanboi ;) |
| 23:51.09 | AnduinLothar | playlife? |
| 23:51.28 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: playtime |
| 23:51.29 | Qzot | Servers up? |
| 23:51.31 | cladhaire | i'm tired, sorry |
| 23:51.32 | Kirkburn | 24 hours is pretty cool |
| 23:51.50 | AnduinLothar | 8gb can hold a lot more than 24 hrs |
| 23:52.18 | Qzot | Hmm. Is anyone in game? |
| 23:52.24 | Legorol | no, but could be |
| 23:52.36 | Qzot | Can you try to log in, please? |
| 23:52.38 | AnduinLothar | the ipod video has 20hrs music, 6.5 hrs video |
| 23:52.48 | Legorol | Qzot: i'm in EU, in case that matters |
| 23:52.54 | Qzot | Executus was not scheduled for any upgrades, but I can't seem to log in right now. |
| 23:52.57 | Kirkburn | Not sure how long my Zen Vision:M lasts, but it must be about 5hours for full video |
| 23:53.05 | Qzot | Legorol: Forgot. |
| 23:53.06 | Legorol | sounds like being in EU defeats the purpose |
| 23:53.11 | GeoDaMancer | If you keep the thing in good repair. Mine only plays about 4-5 hours video, and 12-14 hours music. |
| 23:53.14 | Qzot | Yup. |
| 23:53.15 | Legorol | yah that's why i'm reminding you |
| 23:53.35 | Kirkburn | The Zen Vision:M is better than the iPod video anyway :) |
| 23:53.43 | Legorol | oh joy, Breaking News message on login screen has a URL.. |
| 23:53.48 | Legorol | pity that you can't copy/paste from it |
| 23:53.50 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:53.51 | Qzot | Oh, boy. Time to edit my Config.wtf. |
| 23:54.17 | GeoDaMancer | wtf? |
| 23:54.24 | GeoDaMancer | What does that stand for, in term of file types? |
| 23:54.36 | GeoDaMancer | I mean, seriously, that was a bad choice. xD |
| 23:54.43 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:54.51 | TS|Skrom | GAH |
| 23:54.52 | AnduinLothar | oh score. itunes now automaticly downloads covoer art, ven if you didn't get the music from itunes |
| 23:54.53 | Gryphen | wow temp file |
| 23:54.53 | Kirov | GeoDaMancer - WTF is a common blizzard thing |
| 23:54.58 | TS|Skrom | luaforge is down and I need to look something up >< |
| 23:55.10 | GeoDaMancer | Thanks, Gryph. I've been wondering about that. ^^; |
| 23:55.30 | Legorol | WTF = WoW Text File (educated guess commonly agreed on by most people) |
| 23:55.51 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 23:55.59 | GeoDaMancer | I like the other meaning a lot more. xD |
| 23:56.07 | Kirov | anyone else think the Zen Vision:M is ugly? |
| 23:56.13 | Kirkburn | I bet they chose it for that reason anyway :) |
| 23:56.19 | Kirkburn | Kirov, not I |
| 23:56.20 | Legorol | well, i think everyone i've talked to has gone "wtf" the first time they saw "wtf" |
| 23:56.43 | Kirov | Kirkburn - it looks like something from a hospital |
| 23:56.43 | Kirkburn | I mean, they would have known what it meant when they chose it, so it must ahve been on their minds |
| 23:56.58 | Kirkburn | Kirov, we're talking about the same thin, right? |
| 23:57.00 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: No, I meant battery playtime.. how long you can play without recharging.. |
| 23:57.05 | cladhaire | I already looked, thanks. |
| 23:57.12 | cladhaire | TS|Skrom: What do you need to look up? |
| 23:57.17 | AnduinLothar | those were the hours i was saying |
| 23:57.20 | TS|Skrom | *whimper* can someone help again... grrr... I don't know much about search patterns yet... I'm trying to find the how to search for _variablelengthtext_ |
| 23:57.24 | Kirkburn | Mine is like an iPod with a black front |
| 23:57.25 | cladhaire | *nod*, I was just asking to clarify |
| 23:57.38 | Mery | its "warcraft text file" |
| 23:57.44 | AnduinLothar | you cn get the ipods in black now :) |
| 23:57.51 | GeoDaMancer | Oh, since there are a lot of people actually awake here in, is there a good explanation of the Widget API anywhere, 'cause it's confuddlin' me. |
| 23:57.51 | AnduinLothar | and probably soon in red |
| 23:57.52 | cladhaire | TS|Skrom: can variablelengthtext have spaces?, and its got a _ on riht and left? |
| 23:58.03 | TS|Skrom | no spaces and yes a _ on right and left |
| 23:58.09 | Kirkburn | hehe, wouldn't make me buy it :) |
| 23:58.13 | cladhaire | GeoDaMancer: http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API =).. Any specific questions? |
| 23:58.16 | TS|Skrom | the whole string is Perl_unit_who_knows_what |
| 23:58.18 | cladhaire | TS|Skrom: Only alpha characters? |
| 23:58.22 | TS|Skrom | I just want the unit part |
| 23:58.24 | GeoDaMancer | string.find("Text", searchText) |
| 23:58.27 | TS|Skrom | yes all alpha |
| 23:58.34 | Kirkburn | GeoDaMancer, that wiki thing is useful no? ;) |
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| 23:58.38 | TS|Skrom | I know how to use string.find generally it's what the search codes mean |
| 23:59.04 | GeoDaMancer | Yeah, lots. How do you make a slider appear? |
| 23:59.31 | TS|Skrom | unit could be player or it could be targettargettarget |
| 23:59.54 | Legorol | TS|Skrom: do you know what regular expressions are? |
