| 00:00.03 | Tain | OUtside of PVP not a big deal. |
| 00:00.04 | Mikk | war stomp = more kickass |
| 00:00.04 | ckknight | alright, I'm gonna be an Orc, I think |
| 00:00.06 | Mikk | it's another stun |
| 00:00.20 | Tain | Yeah hard to beat war stomp for an ability though. |
| 00:00.23 | vhaarr | war stomp rocks, and so does +hp |
| 00:00.39 | Mikk | of course, war stomp ceases being cool in raids but ... ohewll |
| 00:00.41 | Tain | But, Tauren town blows. |
| 00:00.45 | Mikk | hahaha |
| 00:00.51 | Mikk | as if you stay there for more than 10 levels :-P |
| 00:00.53 | Mikk | (all of 2 hours) |
| 00:00.55 | ckknight | Orc racials don't seem bad |
| 00:01.03 | Tain | I mean Thunder Bluff. |
| 00:01.12 | vhaarr | ckknight: they're not useful for leveling |
| 00:01.12 | ckknight | what's so bad about TB? |
| 00:01.15 | Tain | I hate it. |
| 00:01.22 | Tain | That multiple level bridge nonsense. |
| 00:01.23 | zenzelezz | the 5% stun resist thing is nice |
| 00:01.26 | ckknight | I think it's great |
| 00:01.37 | GeoDaMancer | I think he always falls. |
| 00:01.38 | vhaarr | not many mobs stun you that you need to care about |
| 00:01.56 | ckknight | vhaarr, I don't really see how Tauren's are better |
| 00:02.04 | vhaarr | their abilites are always useful |
| 00:02.08 | vhaarr | +hp and aoe stun |
| 00:02.21 | vhaarr | orcs abilites are only useful in pvp |
| 00:02.33 | Mikk | pff |
| 00:02.50 | Mikk | blood fury is useful in pve too |
| 00:02.51 | zenzelezz | not quite, but they're not essential either |
| 00:02.58 | Mikk | not when you're TANKING but ... |
| 00:03.01 | vhaarr | ;) |
| 00:03.18 | vhaarr | well in general, I'd much rather level a tauren warrior than an orc one |
| 00:03.33 | vhaarr | also because they get +herb ^^ |
| 00:03.46 | zenzelezz | and NR |
| 00:04.00 | vhaarr | what do orcs get, SR? |
| 00:04.07 | zenzelezz | don't think they get any |
| 00:04.07 | vhaarr | no that's UD, I guess |
| 00:04.12 | vhaarr | o_O |
| 00:04.18 | Mikk | orcs don't get a +resist |
| 00:04.20 | Tain | Underwater breathing! |
| 00:04.23 | vhaarr | lol |
| 00:04.30 | ckknight | that's it, I made a Female Tauren Warrior |
| 00:04.36 | Mikk | ebbeh |
| 00:04.41 | zenzelezz | cool :) |
| 00:04.47 | Mikk | female tauren |
| 00:04.50 | Mikk | moo ftw >.< |
| 00:05.07 | Tain | Did you name her Milkytits or something clever and cow related as seems to be mandatory for new Taurens? |
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| 00:06.08 | Mikk | friend of mine has "Yusemi", "Yusei" alliance side... of course the cow became "Yusemoo" |
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| 00:09.45 | ckknight | Tain, Genevive |
| 00:14.05 | GeoDaMancer | Wheee, another person who comes up with names that are... I don't know. xD |
| 00:14.20 | Zicon | geodamancer: How about "stupid"? |
| 00:14.31 | GeoDaMancer | Yes, yes that works. |
| 00:14.36 | GeoDaMancer | I was just trying not to be mean. |
| 00:19.37 | Zicon | geodamancer: Wuss. |
| 00:20.03 | MentalPower | bye ChanServ |
| 00:20.36 | GeoDaMancer | Meh. |
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| 01:05.27 | Kirkburn1 | Is it bad that I'm watching LazyTown?# |
| 01:06.26 | Kaso | depends *why* you're watching |
| 01:07.02 | Kirkburn1 | Cause I wished I'd had that to watch as a child :) |
| 01:11.50 | GeoDaMancer | Lazytown? |
| 01:12.54 | Kirkburn1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0yI2MQf8Tk |
| 01:13.02 | Kirkburn1 | ^ LazyTown |
| 01:13.19 | GeoDaMancer | I'd look, but my connection sucks like a B Movie Actress in an A Movie Director's office. |
| 01:13.38 | Kirkburn1 | High quality childrens program |
| 01:14.09 | GeoDaMancer | Then my comment was doubly in appropriate. |
| 01:15.16 | Kirkburn1 | heh |
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| 01:19.47 | Kirkburn1 | Great someone just uploaded the most digusting picture to the wiki |
| 01:20.16 | Kirkburn1 | One that I'd hoped never to see. His name was 'Goat', which should help you work out what it was |
| 01:20.36 | Mikk | i need to learn to stay away from the keyboard when testing stuff with IE6 |
| 01:20.42 | Mikk | it kabooms if i even look crooked at it |
| 01:20.45 | Mikk | &%#ยค crap |
| 01:22.54 | Kirkburn1 | ffs, why, why did he have to make me see that picture |
| 01:23.18 | Kirkburn1 | The last thing I was going to do before going to bed, and know I have that on my mind |
| 01:24.20 | Kirkburn1 | Whhhyyyy! |
| 01:26.55 | Kirkburn1 | I'm freaked out, so I'm going to read a book |
| 01:27.01 | Kirkburn1 | G'night all |
| 01:28.50 | Mikk | meh |
| 01:29.01 | Mikk | now i didn't get to show him tubgirl.jpg |
| 01:29.39 | Mikk | i pasted that on at the work irc channel early one morning, saying "here's something nice for you to view while having breakfast" |
| 01:29.55 | Mikk | one guy did actually look at it while having breakfast. he threatened to throttle me when we got to work :-P |
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| 03:28.48 | GeoDaMancer | Is there a way to LoD xml files, like only load certain ones under certain circumstances. |
| 03:29.30 | GeoDaMancer | Hrm, could make it virtual, then set the inheritance of a new object when needed. >.> |
| 03:49.04 | GeoDaMancer | Anyone still alive in here? |
| 03:49.20 | Cairenn | nope |
| 03:49.22 | Kirov | nope |
| 03:49.41 | GeoDaMancer | Perfect way to get a response. How's you two doin'? |
| 03:49.58 | GeoDaMancer | Is there a way to do what I asked? |
| 03:51.08 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:51.21 | Cairenn | I don't code for WoW :p |
| 03:51.26 | GremWarsong | Howdy guys |
| 03:51.43 | Cairenn | hi GremWarsong |
| 03:51.48 | GeoDaMancer | What do you code for? |
| 03:51.58 | GeoDaMancer | 'Lo GW. |
| 03:52.11 | Cairenn | I did some back in EQ |
| 03:52.30 | GeoDaMancer | Ahhh, so you jus' hang about in 'ere? |
| 03:52.35 | GremWarsong | Can anyone tell me how much power you have in creating GUI elements in LUA? (That you would normally define in XML) |
| 03:52.46 | Cairenn | ummm, yeah, I suppose you could say that |
| 03:53.24 | GeoDaMancer | Well, that, GW is exactly what I am looking at right now. |
| 03:53.37 | GremWarsong | Convenient question then ;-) |
| 03:53.40 | GremWarsong | I want to minimize my XML |
| 03:53.55 | GremWarsong | and still draw complicated forms |
| 03:53.55 | Gngsk | I heard you could do anything in LUA that you could in XML, aside from templates |
| 03:54.05 | GeoDaMancer | I don't know that I can actually help, though. I don't even know how to make new frames with it. |
| 03:54.22 | GremWarsong | I think there is a createframe command |
| 03:54.27 | Gngsk | yep |
| 03:54.37 | GremWarsong | CreateFrame("frameType"[ ,"name"][, parent][, "inheritFrame"]) - Create a new frame of the specified type |
| 03:54.50 | GeoDaMancer | Well, that's great. |
| 03:54.59 | GeoDaMancer | Like, totally man. |
| 03:55.03 | GremWarsong | And that returns a pointer to the new frame... |
| 03:55.07 | GremWarsong | and then you can just store that |
| 03:55.13 | GremWarsong | I want to eliminate XML =) |
| 03:55.29 | GeoDaMancer | I wouldn't eliminate it, GW, I'd just eliminate most of it. |
| 03:55.57 | GremWarsong | Yeah |
| 03:55.59 | GeoDaMancer | It seems to me, if you use templates it would be simpler just to keep them and referrence them in the inheritFrame portion, rather than reinventing each. |
| 03:56.29 | GremWarsong | I want to create templates that are shareable in-game by sending them to other players through private channels! |
| 03:56.52 | GeoDaMancer | I'd have no idea how to do that. |
| 03:56.57 | GremWarsong | In other words, I want to be able to send a player instructions on how to draw his UI while in-game |
| 03:57.29 | GremWarsong | I do, I just wanted to know about LUA's limitations regarding UI placement |
| 03:58.01 | GremWarsong | I want players to be able to draw pictures, and then share them |
| 03:58.10 | GremWarsong | Theoretically, you can make a 'paint' program inside WoW |
| 03:58.11 | GeoDaMancer | Anything you can do in xml, you can do in lua. Soo... *Shrugs.* |
| 03:58.36 | GeoDaMancer | I'm sure you could. |
| 03:58.37 | GremWarsong | That's such an awesome answer |
| 03:58.41 | GremWarsong | The answer I was hoping for =) |
| 03:59.54 | GremWarsong | Is there a way to 'emulate' Bindings.xml definitions with LUA |
| 04:00.01 | GremWarsong | As in, create definitions in realtime |
| 04:00.51 | GeoDaMancer | That I couldn't say, but then xml normally goes.. Whoosh! Right over my head. |
| 04:01.12 | GremWarsong | ah |
| 04:01.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | is there anything on wowwiki about the new pvp system that's gonna be in TBC? :O |
| 04:01.38 | GeoDaMancer | New Pvp? |
| 04:01.49 | GeoDaMancer | Ugh. |
| 04:01.56 | GeoDaMancer | Old pvp ass handed me, just what I need. |
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| 04:22.43 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 04:23.52 | zespri_work | how did illidan and kael and otheres got to outland? the dark portal was destroyed from both sides, so how? |
| 04:24.17 | norgs | magic |
| 04:25.03 | zespri_work | It's not an answer I'm after, and you know this. |
| 04:25.14 | zespri_work | Of course it's magic, everything in WoW is magic |
| 04:26.30 | GremWarsong | maybe demons summoned them there or something |
| 04:27.00 | GremWarsong | Its been too long since I played war3 |
| 04:27.25 | zespri_work | same here, that"s why I'm asking =) |
| 04:28.36 | zespri_work | well, the warden, (whats-her-name) followed them to outlands, and sure the same demons wouldn't summon her |
| 04:28.49 | zespri_work | so there must be another established way =) |
| 04:29.56 | GremWarsong | She ran inside a portal that Illidan summoned |
| 04:29.59 | GremWarsong | I remember that |
| 04:30.21 | GremWarsong | Either that, or the demon lord opened the portal for Illidan |
| 04:30.24 | GremWarsong | and then the warden just ran inside |
| 04:30.47 | GremWarsong | I believe all demons have the power to move to Outland...and Illidan was part demon |
| 04:33.19 | zespri_work | right. It's jsut those guys who gave their lives distroying the dark portal from the outland side made a such a big deal of it. you know, scarificing themselves and stuff, and then it turns out that everybody and thier cat still can travell back and forth |
| 04:34.08 | GeoDaMancer | Well... |
| 04:34.15 | GeoDaMancer | Death and sacrifice don't always work. |
| 04:38.05 | ckknight_ | death and taxes always do. |
| 04:38.29 | GeoDaMancer | True. |
| 04:39.35 | ckknight_ | yea, since Illidan stole the power of that skull thing, he has the power to open and close portals |
| 04:40.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | <zespri_work> how did illidan and kael and otheres got to outland? the dark portal was destroyed from both sides, so how? |
| 04:40.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty sure illidan can open temporary portals at will to outland |
| 04:40.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | either he or kael, if i recall |
| 04:40.37 | GeoDaMancer | Dark Portal == Permanent. <.< |
| 04:41.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know that kael and vashj, and i think illidan, went into a small circular portal one of them conjured |
| 04:41.28 | ckknight | right, GeoDaMancer |
| 04:41.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to replay that thing |
| 04:41.37 | ckknight | but Illidan can open his own smaller ones |
| 04:41.40 | ckknight | and close them as well |
| 04:41.54 | ckknight | and seemingly, a few heroes always come through the side just before they close |
| 04:41.58 | GeoDaMancer | So, that's the big difference. Dark Portal you could march an army through, Illidan's can't. |
| 04:42.09 | zespri_work | the main concern with the portal that it can be used to transport armies from an other world to invade azeroth. It doesn't matter is portal permanent or temporart as long as you can transport reuired force through it |
| 04:42.18 | ckknight | well, Illidan did bring all the Blood Elf refugees through it. |
| 04:42.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, his is like a mage portal |
| 04:42.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | small and open for only a minute or so |
| 04:42.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's probably like |
| 04:42.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | GUYS THIS IS EXPENSIVE, THESE RUNES OF PORTAL ARENT CHEAP AND I HAVE TO KEEP RECASTING THIS CRAP HURRY THE HELL UP |
| 04:43.16 | ckknight | guys are in my base, killing my dudes |
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| 04:45.49 | GeoDaMancer | What are you playing? |
| 04:46.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i finally beat TFT campaign |
| 04:46.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | had to cheat like a mofo though |
| 04:46.34 | GeoDaMancer | TFT? |
| 04:46.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | whosyourdaddy iseedeadpeople warpten thereisnospoon greedisgood 9999999 |
| 04:46.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | Frozen Throne |
| 04:46.47 | GeoDaMancer | Oooh. |
| 04:46.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't wait to see icecrown |
| 04:47.14 | GeoDaMancer | I haven't had a chance to play #3. |
| 04:47.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope we get to see it, but i really hope we can't kill some of the more awesome heroes |
| 04:47.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless we're a small part of the fight |
| 04:48.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, we go in to kill arthas and malfurion, tyrande, and Illidan work together to help finally kill arthas |
| 04:48.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | and we're just kinda helping with his giant waves of undead and stuff :o |
| 04:48.58 | ckknight | then Arthas defeated Illidan |
| 04:49.06 | ckknight | but Illidan went crazy and thought he defeated Arthas |
| 04:49.11 | ckknight | and retreated to Outland |
| 04:49.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 04:49.27 | ckknight | and Arthas is now merged with Nerzhul in Northrend |
| 04:49.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | but Malfurion and Illidan are kind of psychically connected |
| 04:49.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | and I believe Illidan still won't hurt Malfurion or Tyrande |
| 04:50.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | "Believe me when I say this, brother, no matter what I do...no matter what I become, I will never harm you or Tyrande" |
| 04:50.38 | ckknight | Malfurion and Illidan are brothers. |
| 04:50.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | indeed |
| 04:50.50 | ckknight | flesh-and-blood style |
| 04:50.58 | ckknight | and they both want to sex up Tyrande |
| 04:51.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | no more flashbacks into scary fanfics i stumbled upon please |
| 04:53.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | so um |
| 04:53.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | mr ckknight |
| 04:53.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | any more nifties about fubar other than the super secret draggable corners i didn't know existed until yesterday? :O |
| 04:53.48 | ckknight | it'd actually be just Mr. Knight |
| 04:53.56 | ckknight | um |
| 04:53.58 | GeoDaMancer | Holy hell, I see why Hemorrhage build for rogues is fantastic. |
| 04:54.08 | ckknight | if you have a minimap button, hold alt and drag it |
| 04:54.15 | ckknight | it'll go whereever you want |
| 04:54.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | nice :o |
| 04:54.50 | GeoDaMancer | I'm thinking of doing a rebuild for it, that's like friggin' great. |
| 04:54.51 | Shadowed | so has anyone seen the BC emotes yet? |
| 04:54.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | recently swapped from titan panel and holy crap i love it |
| 04:55.09 | ckknight | Mr_Rabies2, good times. |
| 04:55.29 | ckknight | apparently the acers want me to write a DPS meter thingy now |
| 04:55.32 | ckknight | I may do it |
| 04:55.34 | ckknight | ... |
| 04:55.46 | ckknight | it'll be called EpeenGauge if I do |
| 04:55.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | do you know of one that hooks into combatstats? |
| 04:57.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't really bother with dps meters now, too unreliable :P |
| 04:57.58 | Shadowed | that's why you sync them |
| 04:57.59 | ckknight | yea, I don't use em either |
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| 05:19.48 | Tem | fuck syncing |
| 05:19.52 | Tem | extend your combat log range |
| 05:30.27 | Tem | Iriel, poke |
| 05:33.53 | GeoDaMancer | I <3 DPS meters. |
| 05:34.32 | GeoDaMancer | I was writing my own for another addon I was working on. |
| 06:04.10 | Kirov | zomg |
| 06:04.22 | Kirov | _thats_ why the cursor goes in to the attack icon |
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| 06:06.39 | Miravlix | Man if only I had known that... |
| 06:07.58 | Miravlix | Hmm, actually what use is knowing that? |
| 06:08.41 | Kirov | hehe |
| 06:08.50 | Kirov | FuBar |
| 06:09.06 | Kirov | the ability to drag the edges |
| 06:09.40 | Corrodias | hmm. this guy had a neat trick. |
| 06:10.30 | Corrodias | a group of people were up on what appears to be a walkway in the outer ring of the undercity, but i couldn't find a way up. perhaps a mage could blink across a gap, but warlocks couldn't, and certainly not warriors... |
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| 06:13.20 | Corrodias | now it's going to bug me until i find the solution |
| 06:13.32 | AnduinLothar | Ok, now that was hawt. 9 paladins and a priest wsg |
| 06:15.46 | ckknight | Kirov, congrats, you found it! |
| 06:16.13 | norgs | nite Iriel |
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| 06:39.00 | Corrodias | perhaps they used slowfall potions and jumped from the sewer hole... |
| 06:39.12 | Corrodias | do any sort of slowfall effects stack? |
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| 06:40.45 | Kirov | doubtful |
| 06:41.07 | Shadowed | no |
| 06:41.10 | Shadowed | no reason they should |
| 06:42.44 | Miravlix | Isnt it the age old wall walking bug? |
| 06:43.01 | Miravlix | For instance using the telescope could get you into the air for a while |
| 06:43.10 | Miravlix | They have just found yet another thing that does that |
| 06:43.26 | Kirov | oh? |
| 06:43.53 | Miravlix | We are talking exploits, so lets just drop it at that. |
| 06:45.20 | Kirov | Just surprised I haven't seen people standing on top of the ah |
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| 08:52.32 | Legorol | hehe, blizzard is desperate to reduce mail lag. login screen tip: |
| 08:52.46 | Legorol | "If you keep an empty mail box, the mail icon will let you know when you have new mail" |
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| 08:57.22 | AnduinLothar | outherwise the iton IS USELESS! |
| 08:57.35 | Legorol | very true |
| 08:57.43 | Legorol | i want to maximise the utility of the mail icon too! |
| 08:57.51 | |FF|Im2good4u | i cant |
| 08:58.06 | AnduinLothar | record the mail item when last seen and make a dropdown list when you right click it |
| 08:58.08 | |FF|Im2good4u | anyway i jsut saw i can download laugne pacs :p |
| 08:58.19 | |FF|Im2good4u | so i can localise my addon :p |
| 08:58.32 | Legorol | only if you are EU |
| 08:58.39 | |FF|Im2good4u | ofc im |
| 08:58.43 | AnduinLothar | he's up at 2 am |
| 08:59.00 | Legorol | that's not uncommon |
| 08:59.05 | Legorol | in this channel anyway |
| 08:59.06 | AnduinLothar | im crazy |
| 08:59.16 | AnduinLothar | i dotn count |
| 08:59.20 | Legorol | |FF|Im2good4u: you don't really need the language packs to localize your addon though |
| 08:59.31 | |FF|Im2good4u | programmers stay up late all the time |
| 08:59.38 | Legorol | oh, unless you need a locale specific string from the game |
| 08:59.41 | Legorol | ignore me |
| 09:00.26 | krka | don't you get a chat message thingy when you get new mail? |
| 09:01.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | yeh im gona tyransmit player data over the SendAddonMessage like subclass (holy,marskman) race and such stuff but its probely localised when i call the function :P |
| 09:01.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | krka u do ! \o/ smart ass |
| 09:01.48 | |FF|Im2good4u | thats indeed a good idea to update the mail icon |
| 09:01.49 | AnduinLothar | not if your box has stuff in it |
| 09:01.59 | krka | really? hm |
| 09:02.03 | AnduinLothar | pretty sure |
| 09:02.03 | krka | maybe it's just for outbids |
| 09:02.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | oO then it usx |
| 09:02.24 | AnduinLothar | auctions yes, mail no |
| 09:03.25 | |FF|Im2good4u | stoopid game |
| 09:09.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 09:09.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | is there anything that shows what towers do what anywhere? :O |
| 09:09.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | nothing showing on wowwiki for EPL |
| 09:09.37 | |FF|Im2good4u | towers ? |
| 09:09.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | the epl world pvp towers |
| 09:11.50 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah so that whose message i get in in my world defence window :p |
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| 09:14.47 | krka | easy enough to make an addon that pops off all the mail and stores it locally |
| 09:15.38 | AnduinLothar | not hard. just can't update it when away from the mailbox |
| 09:15.54 | AnduinLothar | there's an addon ro two that let you show the mailbox |
| 09:16.03 | AnduinLothar | none that use the builtin icon |
| 09:32.15 | Corrodias | holy crap, getting anywhere with AB reb would take months |
| 09:32.25 | AnduinLothar | wsg is worse |
| 09:32.43 | Corrodias | we just won my first AB game and got a whole 100 rep (not counting token turnin) |
| 09:33.11 | AnduinLothar | if you don't cap the flag in wsg you don't get any rep |
| 09:33.14 | Corrodias | yeah, i've played 20 WSG games, winning 12, and i'm not friendly yet. after 9 AV games, winning 3, i'm just under honored. |
| 09:33.43 | AnduinLothar | Av is cake to farm now. i hit exalted last week |
| 09:34.16 | Corrodias | because each game doesn't take hours |
| 09:34.19 | Corrodias | *usually |
| 09:34.24 | Elkano | in AV you get a bunch of extra honor from the farm quests |
| 09:34.52 | Corrodias | honor or rep? |
| 09:35.37 | AnduinLothar | rep |
| 09:35.46 | AnduinLothar | but both actually |
| 09:35.50 | Corrodias | spent another 5 hours in BRD, and actually finished 7 quests |
| 09:36.04 | AnduinLothar | av is easy to farm rep, especially for warriors and healers |
| 09:36.16 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 09:36.18 | AnduinLothar | honor* |
| 09:36.28 | AnduinLothar | easy for anyone to farm av rep |
| 09:36.44 | Corrodias | ah. it seems that honor is given based only on how far away from the kill |
| 09:36.55 | AnduinLothar | wsg is actually fastest honor if you have a good guild that runs it consistantly |
| 09:37.32 | AnduinLothar | honor is based on how much damage you did to the target or healign you did to the peopel that did the damage |
| 09:38.21 | AnduinLothar | so if you heal the lowest health around you you get multiple hk's. because anyone you healed who got an hk gives you an hk |
| 09:38.33 | Corrodias | nice |
| 09:38.53 | Corrodias | now here's an annoyance: Hurricane cannot stop flag caps |
| 09:39.01 | Corrodias | my one aoe attack and it's useless for that |
| 09:39.14 | Corrodias | not wsg style but av/ab style |
| 09:39.51 | AnduinLothar | so dps classes get the most honor based on damage while they're alive, and the warriro stays alive the longest so it's easiest for the warrior to get honor |
| 09:40.03 | AnduinLothar | then healers if you heal well and heal multiple targets |
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| 09:40.51 | AnduinLothar | if you're a good healer you can be at the bottom of the scoreboard with zero killign blows but have as many hk's as the person on the top |
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| 09:41.29 | AnduinLothar | and hk's isn't directly perpotionate to honor, but it's a better estimate than killing blows |
| 09:42.17 | AnduinLothar | today in wsg alone i got 13000 honor and 53 hks |
| 09:43.12 | Corrodias | i love a good defensive team in AV, by the way. in 2 of the 3 games we've won, of the 9 i've played, i was on a strong defensive team that actually slowed them down. allies usually give up on beating galv after 2 or 3 tries. |
| 09:43.48 | AnduinLothar | you need both to win in ym experience |
| 09:44.13 | Corrodias | people don't seem to like to play D very much. at most we get 5 people. |
| 09:44.30 | Corrodias | in one place, that is. i suppose other areas have more defenders/recappers |
| 09:44.59 | AnduinLothar | i like to play offense till we get the last graveyard, then play d |
| 09:45.13 | AnduinLothar | or till we get the 2nd to last graveyard |
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| 09:45.35 | AnduinLothar | cause by then the oter team is in your base and you get better honor/time |
| 09:46.11 | Corrodias | hm, yes. |
| 09:46.49 | Corrodias | and i've seen what happens if one team holds all the GY beyond a chokepoint: game stretches out for a very long time until the other team sneaks past and caps a few |
| 09:50.52 | wereHamster | http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/vael.mp4 our vael kill last night.. reminds me of the video where the last player, a paladin with Divine Shield activated, kills vael |
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| 09:55.19 | Corrodias | hm, don't have a video codec for that |
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| 10:08.12 | AnduinLothar | how does a pally with DI kill vael? |
| 10:08.23 | Dhraga | For the one that wanted to see the vael kill linked above, just download the latest VLC at : http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ |
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| 10:09.06 | Dhraga | Anudin, by prayers and a happy face, Maby Vael laughed himself to death ? :P |
| 10:09.52 | AnduinLothar | only real possible way is die froma dot, but the pally wouldn't get the killing blow |
| 10:10.01 | AnduinLothar | cause pallies dont have a dot |
| 10:10.30 | Corrodias | but they have a ranged stun attack |
| 10:10.32 | Corrodias | bastards |
| 10:10.45 | Dhraga | He didnt looked bubbled to me, maby he was bubbled and then had it time out ? but he was meleing it on the vid |
| 10:11.05 | AnduinLothar | if you're bubled and not DI'd you can stilla ttack |
| 10:11.48 | Dhraga | ah |
| 10:12.12 | AnduinLothar | or if oyu came out of di before vael lost combat and bubbled |
| 10:13.15 | Dhraga | Looked again, the pally dont have a bubble, hes the last one alive and meles vael to death |
| 10:13.45 | AnduinLothar | :) a pally got the killign blow on our first nef kill |
| 10:14.08 | Dhraga | haha |
| 10:14.29 | Dhraga | Sooo.... you mean that sponges CAN hurt ? ;) |
| 10:14.30 | AnduinLothar | but we had 3/4 of the raid alive |
| 10:15.58 | AnduinLothar | I figured iw as gonna be healign so i had mp5 healign gear on, but we had so many healers i ended up putting on my OEB and meleeing the whole time until i bubles and holy wrathed on the constructs, immediately gainign agro on 100 mobs and getting pwned when my bubble wore off and i couldn't do anythign with 0.3 fps |
| 10:18.23 | Dhraga | =) |
| 10:19.21 | wereHamster | Divine Shield, nor Divine Intervention |
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| 10:36.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20266282&sid=1 |
| 10:36.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 10:42.02 | ckknight_ | hehe. |
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| 11:27.39 | Corrodias | thankfully, our realm's GMs don't seem to care what goes on in LFG |
| 11:28.02 | Corrodias | although we did have an event with someone actually trying to get banned. i turned the channel off so i'm not sure how that ended. |
| 11:30.37 | Kirkburn | ffs, a vandal guy uploaded the disgusting image to the wiki again :/ |
| 11:31.20 | Kirkburn | grah! |
| 11:31.35 | Corrodias | pwn 'em |
| 11:31.57 | Kirkburn | I still had to see the picture - and it's one I'd hoped never to see |
| 11:32.05 | Mikma | Kirkburn: link or it didn't happen |
| 11:32.08 | Kirkburn | I've infinite banned him twice now |
| 11:32.17 | Kirkburn | Mikma, you REALLY don't want a link |
| 11:32.21 | Mikma | i do |
| 11:32.32 | Mikma | pm me it or so |
| 11:32.34 | Kirkburn | His name was "Goat" ... sound familar? |
| 11:32.45 | Mikma | yeah, link me in pm :) |
| 11:33.04 | Corrodias | i'm a btard. there is no image i cannot see. |
| 11:33.11 | Mikma | Corrodias: amen |
| 11:33.31 | Kirkburn | No, you can google for it if you want, but I seriously suggest you don't (it's called 'Goatsex' I think, nad really really really really don't look it up) |
| 11:33.34 | Mikma | i've seen so much crap on net that i'be grown out of the disgust there canbe |
| 11:33.43 | Mikma | Kirkburn: just link me up daddy :D |
| 11:33.47 | Kirkburn | no. |
| 11:33.47 | Corrodias | are we talking about the ol' goatse picture? |
| 11:33.55 | Mikma | please? _D |
| 11:33.59 | Kirkburn | Corrodias, yes |
| 11:34.03 | Cairenn|sleep | ewww, no |
| 11:34.10 | Cairenn|sleep | not in channel, pm it if you must |
| 11:34.13 | Mikma | that's why i asked it to be linked in pm |
| 11:34.21 | Kirkburn | Not bloody likely, Cairenn|sleep :/ |
| 11:34.22 | Corrodias | Mikma: fi you haven't seen goatse, you should hand in your internet badge |
| 11:34.29 | Corrodias | *if |
| 11:34.38 | Mikma | Corrodias: goatse is teh lame |
| 11:34.38 | Kirkburn | Corrodias, I'd managed not to see it until last night |
| 11:35.08 | Kirkburn | ho hum |
| 11:35.59 | Mikma | still waiting for the link :D |
| 11:36.27 | Kirkburn | I don't have one to give you, it's deleted from the wiki, and I'm not going searching for one you weirdo :) |
| 11:36.48 | Mikma | *sad panda* |
| 11:36.48 | Cairenn|sleep | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAfpxaaE6A0&mode=related&search= |
| 11:37.24 | Corrodias | google should find you goatse just fine |
| 11:37.31 | Kirkburn | Cairenn|sleep, you worries me then :P |
| 11:38.37 | Kirkburn | What on earth is up with the female draenei :P |
| 11:40.11 | Kaso | hmm, that is quite odd |
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| 11:43.52 | JoshBorke | ok, morning :-) |
| 11:43.59 | Cairenn|sleep | morning JoshBorke |
| 11:44.03 | Kirkburn | 'lo |
| 11:45.18 | JoshBorke | << is engaged :-D |
| 11:45.25 | Kirkburn | \o/ |
| 11:45.29 | Cairenn|sleep | wooooohooooo! congrats! |
| 11:45.32 | Kirkburn | Congratulations! |
| 11:45.52 | JoshBorke | =D yep yep, anyway, time for working :-( |
| 11:46.10 | Kirkburn | That's awesome, that is |
| 11:46.30 | Kirkburn | Have a fun day :) |
| 11:48.14 | Corrodias | you all act like this is a -good- thing. |
| 11:48.40 | Kirkburn | We'll I'm not thinking "damn, I missed my chance", if that's what you're saying :P |
| 11:48.43 | Cairenn|sleep | <== married for 15 years, yes it's a good thing |
| 11:48.59 | Cairenn|sleep | (to the same person, even) |
| 11:49.19 | Corrodias | nah, just making a joke about marriage. |
| 11:49.53 | Mikma | those Draenei females mock gnomes alot in their jokes |
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| 11:49.59 | Mikma | maybe too much |
| 11:50.21 | Kirkburn | That's not possible! You can never mock gnomes too much |
| 11:50.31 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 11:52.54 | Corrodias | [away] @ sleepy |
| 12:03.10 | Maldivia | "Do gnomes have a vibrate settings? I'm just curious!" |
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| 12:13.41 | Atog_ | hmm.. I'm trying to decipher blizzard tradeskill UI. If I'm given a table, is there an easy way to print out its contents? I have no clue what fields there are in it. |
| 12:20.44 | Kaso | ipairs! |
| 12:20.57 | wereHamster | for k,v in pairs(tbl0 do print(v.." - "..v) end |
| 12:20.59 | Kaso | or pairs for that matter |
| 12:21.11 | wereHamster | print(k.." - "..v) |
| 12:25.21 | Atog_ | aha. |
| 12:25.22 | Atog_ | thanks! |
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| 12:33.59 | JoshBorke | blah |
| 12:43.59 | Mery | an easy way is to get DevTools and do "/dump table" or in code DevTools_Dump(table) |
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| 14:17.32 | zenzelezz | "WoW Gold End-of-business Giveaway" |
| 14:17.49 | zenzelezz | funky in-game mail ending with "Sorry about the spam." |
| 14:18.23 | Beladona | they get your name from LFG channel |
| 14:18.44 | Beladona | I get tells all the time from gold farmer bots |
| 14:19.01 | Beladona | and then I report em |
| 14:19.03 | Beladona | =P |
| 14:19.09 | zenzelezz | don't think I ever speak on LFG, but I do use the trade and general |
| 14:19.21 | zenzelezz | I get more mail than /tell spam for some reason o_O |
| 14:19.27 | Beladona | doesn't matter, if you are in the LFG channel |
| 14:19.31 | Beladona | they can get your name |
| 14:19.38 | zenzelezz | hm, good point |
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| 14:27.13 | jaxdahl | they can also /who 60 |
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| 14:56.31 | Industrial | one 'regular' player but collects the /who thingies and puts it in a SV file and reloads the interface every 10 mins |
| 14:56.53 | Industrial | A macro creates randomly named players |
| 14:56.58 | Industrial | runs them into town |
| 14:57.03 | Industrial | starts advertising and mailing etc |
| 14:57.17 | Industrial | evil >:-O |
| 15:01.04 | TS|Skrom | I think I'm in love... <3 |
| 15:01.11 | TS|Skrom | The most amazing girl I've ever met. |
| 15:01.17 | TS|Skrom | Only one problem... |
| 15:01.27 | zenzelezz | low-resolution picture? |
| 15:01.30 | TS|Skrom | She was in my damn dream last night and not for real >< |
| 15:02.03 | Industrial | lmao |
| 15:02.12 | TS|Skrom | stupid subconscious >< |
| 15:02.33 | TS|Skrom | and it wasn't anyone I knew in my dream so my mind must have just picked a random face it had seen at some point and fleshed out a personality for it >< |
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| 15:56.08 | malreth | Cide: you awake? |
| 15:56.12 | Cide | yep |
| 15:56.24 | malreth | do you play horde on blackrock? |
| 15:56.28 | Cide | afraid not :( |
| 15:56.30 | Cide | horde doomhammer |
| 15:56.51 | malreth | ah... ok. saw someone with your name in the x-realm BGs over the weekend on my cluster |
| 15:57.01 | Cide | nah |
| 15:57.06 | Cide | I go under the name "Swede" anyway |
| 15:57.16 | malreth | ah. understood |
| 15:57.28 | Cide | (finally managed to switch my name when transfers came, thank god) |
| 15:57.41 | malreth | well, i totally pwned him and i wanted to rub it in your face. :p |
| 15:57.47 | Cide | haha |
| 15:57.51 | Cide | what class? :P |
| 15:57.56 | malreth | ... |
| 15:58.07 | malreth | he wasn't alive long enough to check. |
| 15:58.12 | Cide | weak! |
| 15:58.20 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol |
| 15:58.52 | |FF|Im2good4u | did any1 else realise uactionner uses a weird chat hyperlink system.. |
| 15:59.13 | |FF|Im2good4u | my addon and auctioneer keep beeying bugged :( |
| 15:59.17 | malreth | how do you mean? |
| 15:59.48 | |FF|Im2good4u | wel basicly when u clikc on a chat link auctionner wont dispaly the sub tooltip or displays the wrng item in the sub tooltip |
| 15:59.55 | malreth | ah |
| 16:00.09 | zenzelezz | I haven't seen that problem |
| 16:00.30 | malreth | haven't noticed it either... but i also don't let auctioneer run very often |
| 16:00.39 | Kirkburn | I'm running a test via ATI's site to see if I can run Vista - it says my gfx card can't run Vista at recommended settings. Strangely enough, my card is an nVidia card ... hmm |
| 16:00.40 | malreth | only on my AH mule, really |
| 16:01.29 | Kirkburn | It says only an X700 or better can run it, I have a 6800 which is better than an X700 afaik. Grr @ ATI |
| 16:01.35 | malreth | gotta change loc... agents have a track running on me... brb |
| 16:01.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | basicly auctioner check the left text of the tooltip whit current item if its different then it try's to build a new one.. |
| 16:01.55 | zenzelezz | what's so wrong about that Kirk? |
| 16:02.10 | zenzelezz | when nVidia can slap their stupid "The way it's meant to be played" sticker on anything |
| 16:02.11 | Kirkburn | ATI are effectively lying about my gfx card's abilities |
| 16:02.24 | Cide | Kirkburn: and you think the same wouldn't happen at nvidia.com? ;) |
| 16:02.40 | Kirkburn | Heh, but the difference is, nVidia haven't :P |
| 16:02.50 | Cide | so ATI sucks? :) |
| 16:03.02 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 16:03.06 | zenzelezz | anyone who expectes an objective view from a vendor deserves nothing better |
| 16:03.11 | zenzelezz | *expects |
| 16:03.11 | Kirkburn | Familiar territory here ... |
| 16:03.20 | Cide | I don't think he expected it, but yeah I agree otherwise |
| 16:03.53 | Kirkburn | I didn't expect it to eb good - I looked at it cause people were commenting on the innaccuracy :P |
| 16:04.06 | Kirkburn | It even fails a 7300 |
| 16:04.42 | Kirkburn | Once I'm at Un I'm going to put RC1 on my desktop to test it out :) |
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| 16:04.53 | Kirkburn | *Uni |
| 16:04.59 | Industrial | I have a 7900GT :3 |
| 16:05.12 | Kirkburn | Yes, well, I hate you :O |
| 16:05.33 | Industrial | well you shouldnt casue my internship money went into that |
| 16:05.38 | Kirkburn | What FPS do you get in WoW on that? |
| 16:05.44 | Industrial | wich is less then half of my minimum wage per month |
| 16:05.46 | Industrial | 64 |
| 16:05.59 | Industrial | so thats like a year of work's worth of money ;) |
| 16:06.04 | Kirkburn | Ah, V-synced |
| 16:06.10 | Industrial | yeah cant get it off |
| 16:06.15 | Industrial | turned it off on my card |
| 16:06.23 | zenzelezz | 64 with vsync? That's an odd refresh rate |
| 16:06.25 | Kirkburn | Really? It doesn't turn off? Weird |
| 16:06.39 | Industrial | dunno if wow controls vsync but its off on my nvidia settings |
| 16:06.45 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, it's quite normal actually. No idea why though |
| 16:06.45 | zenzelezz | I don't see why everyone speaks of flashy videocards for WoW though... my 9800 runs it perfectly |
| 16:07.02 | Industrial | zenzelezz, I have all settings high :P |
| 16:07.11 | Kirkburn | Industrial, what drivers do you use? |
| 16:07.16 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: I'll take your word for it, but my monitors always used 60-70-72-75 as options |
| 16:07.19 | zenzelezz | Industrial: so do I |
| 16:07.21 | Industrial | first time I ran it - not on my laptop - with this card I was like WOW i can see the otehr side of WSG |
| 16:07.36 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, oh yes, it seems to choose 64 frequently despite that |
| 16:07.39 | Industrial | Kirkburn, lemme see |
| 16:08.31 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, I've never actually found out why, but it might be some software or hardware limitations that makes it choose 64 all the time |
| 16:09.27 | Kirkburn | Industrial, just found out, the fix will be in 1.12.1 |
| 16:09.51 | Industrial | where do I see my nvidia driver version >_> |
| 16:10.24 | Kirkburn | Display Properties, Advanced |
| 16:10.33 | Kirkburn | um |
| 16:10.41 | Kirkburn | DIsplay Properties, Settings, Advanced, even |
| 16:12.10 | Industrial | http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/4903/untitledbj3.png |
| 16:12.22 | TS|Skrom | man I'm such a maroon |
| 16:12.29 | Kirkburn | If you have a Dual Core CPU and have vsync on, it crashes WoW atm |
| 16:12.39 | Kirkburn | Industrial, "Forceware Version" |
| 16:12.45 | Kirkburn | 84.21 you have |
| 16:12.48 | Industrial | oh k |
| 16:13.16 | Kirkburn | Not too old, but there are newer ones - I'm on 91.47 |
| 16:13.26 | Industrial | oh ill update |
| 16:13.27 | Industrial | :> |
| 16:13.35 | Kirkburn | Since you have such a new card, it will probably make quite a difference |
| 16:14.05 | Kirkburn | Industrial, I would suggest using ones from here personally: http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/ |
| 16:14.43 | Industrial | Hmm I never had much interest in versions and though that everything will be allright |
| 16:14.55 | Industrial | but now I have a high end system maybe I can try to get more out of it :o |
| 16:15.07 | Kirkburn | Since you'd be going form the 80 series to 90 series it should give you quite a boost |
| 16:15.51 | Kirkburn | I have to use that website because I have a laptop card (6800 Go) which isn't normally supported by nVidia |
| 16:15.57 | Industrial | whats this enhancer? |
| 16:16.16 | Industrial | I have a 5650go on my laptop |
| 16:16.17 | Kirkburn | Don't worry about that, just get 91.47 from the drivers section |
| 16:16.19 | Industrial | k |
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| 16:16.52 | Kirkburn | Rather than clutter up here, I'm tell you some more in PMs :) |
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| 16:22.45 | Beladona | I love my 7900gt too. it pwns most games |
| 16:22.54 | Beladona | my laptop isn't bad either, with a 6800go |
| 16:23.12 | malreth | i've got a 6800gs in my desktop... runs great |
| 16:23.39 | Kirkburn | It's nVidia land! :P |
| 16:23.43 | Beladona | play Elder Scroll: Oblivion. I played it with a 6800, then a 7900, and wow what a difference |
| 16:23.54 | cogwheel | Kinda sucks though... it's AGP so I can't upgrade to Core 2 Duo without getting a new one :( |
| 16:24.16 | cogwheel | Heh. I use a 9800 pro at work |
| 16:24.24 | malreth | bah... brb |
| 16:24.32 | tyroney | It gets the job done. It's what I get for buying a dell. |
| 16:24.37 | tyroney | Did I say that out loud? |
| 16:24.46 | Kirkburn | My lappy is a Dell :) |
| 16:24.53 | cogwheel | mine too... |
| 16:24.58 | cogwheel | still waiting for it to asplode |
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| 16:25.17 | Kirkburn | Yours wasn't on the recall list? |
| 16:25.27 | tyroney | Someday I'll make me a real computer. After I buy a mini. And maybe some duo mac book-a-majig. |
| 16:25.45 | tyroney | I use a laptop (not mine) that had it's battery replaced. Really a quick an painless process. No fires. |
| 16:26.03 | cogwheel | Mine wasn't in the recall so i'm not too worried |
| 16:26.06 | Beladona | I bet the new AMD <- ATI buyout will introduce some AMD chips with ATI acceleration intruction sets. Adding fuel to the fire that is "ATI vs Nvidia" |
| 16:26.15 | tyroney | Yikes. |
| 16:26.16 | |FF|Im2good4u | if u use hooking of a function .. like me then is there any way to know witch hook get called first ? when multiple addons hook it ? |
| 16:26.17 | malreth | i gotta go get mine replaced. my battery is on the recall list |
| 16:26.40 | Kirkburn | I don't think it will be possible for Intel to buy nVidia, but you never know ... |
| 16:26.47 | Beladona | not really FF, its whoever came first |
| 16:27.06 | cogwheel | I've always been an AMD fan and an nVidia fan... Now that Intel has better cpus and amd bought ati, i'm very confused |
| 16:27.17 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, hehe |
| 16:27.29 | tyroney | |FF|Im2good4u: You can add some kind of extra argument that only you send, that way you can tell if someone else is calling you. If that helps. Otherwise it's like Beladona said |
| 16:27.31 | Beladona | I have always been intel + nvidia, so I am good |
| 16:27.51 | Kirkburn | We're all nVidiots here :P |
| 16:28.06 | TS|Skrom | ati4lyfe |
| 16:28.09 | |FF|Im2good4u | so if addon a hooked it and then addon b, a get called first ? |
| 16:28.17 | tyroney | I remember my roomie with an nvidia back in the day, with all those built in fancy effects. |
| 16:28.26 | Beladona | |FF|Im2good4u: be aware that hooking may be harder after the expansion |
| 16:28.34 | Kirkburn | Industrial better return soon otherwise I'll worry his PC has gone boom |
| 16:28.43 | |FF|Im2good4u | realy why ? |
| 16:28.51 | Beladona | they are preventing it |
| 16:28.56 | |FF|Im2good4u | WTD |
| 16:28.56 | jaxdahl | i've been amd+nvidia for a long time |
| 16:29.06 | |FF|Im2good4u | that will break like 90% of the addons.. |
| 16:29.10 | Kirkburn | "what the dickens?" |
| 16:29.18 | TS|Skrom | Wake the dead? |
| 16:29.20 | cogwheel | s/D/F/ |
| 16:29.23 | cogwheel | lol |
| 16:29.26 | cogwheel | oops |
| 16:29.27 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 16:29.41 | Beladona | there will lieklybe a way to do it, but technically speaking they are preventing addons from "destroying" or otherwise "trashing" default functions |
| 16:29.51 | Kirkburn | "Agricultural Moose Farm"? |
| 16:30.11 | TS|Skrom | Absent-Minded Fairy |
| 16:30.26 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke well a simpel way is to laod addons in there own memory space :P but then u cant hook it /o\ |
| 16:30.27 | malreth | http://www.amf.com/corporate/index.htm |
| 16:30.27 | cogwheel | Beladona: where is info on that change? |
| 16:30.35 | Kirkburn | WoW 2.0 gives Blizzard a good opportunity to rethink the UI |
| 16:30.35 | |FF|Im2good4u | no hook is no fun lol |
| 16:30.42 | Beladona | looking for it now |
| 16:30.55 | Beladona | I kind of support that change though |
| 16:30.58 | kergoth | Beladona: that's not a bad idea in most cases, as long as there's a more capable API (yeah, thatll happen..) |
| 16:31.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:31.14 | Beladona | think about it |
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| 16:32.00 | [RTE] | hello folks |
| 16:32.08 | Beladona | GetScript and SetScript should let you do what you need in most cases. |
| 16:32.11 | malreth | harro, [RTE] |
| 16:32.18 | Beladona | without hooking a default function |
| 16:32.26 | JoshBorke | what about spellcasting? |
| 16:32.36 | |FF|Im2good4u | well in most cases u like only have to parse the data and not rewrite entire functions |
| 16:32.42 | |FF|Im2good4u | like addmessage for example |
| 16:32.49 | Beladona | well yeah, but I can see why they would want to rpevent you from hooking things that get fired in the engine |
| 16:33.05 | cogwheel | Beladona: I hook BuyMerchantItem when I'm testing BuyEmAll and BuyDropper so i don't actually buy anything. It would be devastating if that kind of thing were no longer possible |
| 16:33.09 | JoshBorke | there's no way to get target information without hooking SpellTargetUnit etc |
| 16:33.25 | JoshBorke | but I agree, aggressive hooking can be quite a bane |
| 16:33.31 | kergoth | wonder if we could get them to include newproxy |
| 16:33.34 | |FF|Im2good4u | i jknow the prob of hooking |
| 16:33.41 | kergoth | in 5.1 it becomes even more useful, since __len doesnt work on tables |
| 16:33.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | my addons managed to case stack overflown everywher lol :p |
| 16:34.01 | JoshBorke | lol, me too |FF|Im2good4u !- |
| 16:34.11 | JoshBorke | hooking your hooked functions is BAD |
| 16:34.18 | Beladona | pretty sure it is global api stuff being flagged as unhookable |
| 16:34.25 | Beladona | but lemme find actual blue post on it |
| 16:34.42 | cogwheel | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 16:34.59 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 16:34.59 | |FF|Im2good4u | yeh but i wasnt realy tring to i still dunno wut i did wring but instad of hooking the addmessage i decided to hook the chatframe_onevent instead and that worked :p |
| 16:34.59 | cogwheel | ~botslap |
| 16:35.07 | purl | OUCH! That hurt, cogwheel! |
| 16:35.09 | kergoth | itd be amusing if they flagged all of that as unhookable, but forgot to disable the ability to setfenv() 0 |
| 16:35.26 | kergoth | "nothing to see here.." *switches global environments* |
| 16:35.35 | Cide | doubt that would happen |
| 16:35.35 | |FF|Im2good4u | \o/ |
| 16:35.52 | malreth | gah, i always cry when people hook chatframe_onevent |
| 16:35.59 | |FF|Im2good4u | but wut if they just run every addon in its own memory space then u cant hook sh*t |
| 16:36.10 | Cide | malreth: why? |
| 16:36.10 | Beladona | there is a term they used |
| 16:36.13 | |FF|Im2good4u | malreth: why ? |
| 16:36.15 | Beladona | can't remember what it is, gah |
| 16:36.54 | Beladona | ahh, function tainting |
| 16:37.05 | zenzelezz | nice expression |
| 16:37.16 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke that sounds nice :p ofc no1 understnads it :p |
| 16:37.20 | TS|Skrom | that's what she called it last night anyway ^.^ |
| 16:37.33 | malreth | |FF|Im2good4u: usually, there's a better way to go about what you're trying to do or a different function that can be hooked to achieve the same effect |
| 16:38.13 | |FF|Im2good4u | well besaicly i wanted to modifiy the |H |h |h links :p but on the addmessage it kept overflowing :p |
| 16:38.16 | malreth | |FF|Im2good4u: plus, it gets called a lot so if your code isn't efficient, you can really bog down someone's framerate or generate a lot of garbage |
| 16:38.19 | kergoth | thats a good term for it. |
| 16:38.33 | |FF|Im2good4u | ofc my code is efficient :p |
| 16:39.11 | malreth | |FF|Im2good4u: if you get stack overflows, it means you did something wrong in your hook |
| 16:39.33 | malreth | usually it happens if you call the function that you hooked inside your hook |
| 16:39.41 | malreth | or something like that |
| 16:40.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | yes but u tryed to fix for a long time but it didnt help |
| 16:40.14 | |FF|Im2good4u | so now i got this http://wowi.pastey.net/750 |
| 16:43.26 | |FF|Im2good4u | Beladona: still cant find it ? |
| 16:43.45 | TS|Skrom | LOL@Kirkburn |
| 16:44.09 | Beladona | not anything that is public no |
| 16:44.10 | cogwheel | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 16:44.13 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 16:44.28 | TS|Skrom | ~emulate TS|Skrom |
| 16:44.36 | TS|Skrom | it don't know me :p |
| 16:44.36 | Beladona | I think the discussion right now is how to allow you to do something after a function executes, without hooking |
| 16:44.48 | |FF|Im2good4u | oO so u got axxes to teh secret docs :p |
| 16:44.53 | malreth | as long as neither ItemLinkRecolor_Moneyrize nor ItemLinkRecolor_Colorize call ChatFrameN:AddMessage() you can do all of that in an AddMessage hook... but it works just as well in an OnEvent hook too |
| 16:44.58 | Beladona | my solution was to make protected functions fire an event like FUNCTION_EXECUTED or something, and pass the function name as an arg |
| 16:45.17 | Beladona | that way you can register for that event, and just fire your code afterwards |
| 16:45.30 | malreth | Beladona: sounds like Notifications from OS X Cocoa programming api |
| 16:45.35 | Beladona | right |
| 16:46.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | malreth: i didnt have any addmessage or any print it was pure moddifing the chat message but still it kept overflowning and i had no idea why. |
| 16:47.22 | |FF|Im2good4u | Beladona: the idea isnt bad but i can image there be a lot of FUNCTION_EXECUTD events and every addon would havetodo if arg1 == "myfunction" then |
| 16:50.00 | malreth | well, i'd hope they'd do something like where you call RegisterNotification(CastSpellByName, MyFunctionToBeCalled) |
| 16:50.17 | malreth | if you wanted to be notified on a CastSpellByName call |
| 16:51.17 | malreth | that way, your frame (or whatever notification watcher mechanism they set up) is notified only on the functions that you're interested in |
| 16:51.42 | malreth | with that being said, it'd be nice if we could have something more lightweight for event handling than an entire frame |
| 16:52.27 | sancus | ui in the expansion is.. kindof... unfinished.. lol |
| 16:52.52 | malreth | nearly every single addon has to have a hidden anonymous frame just to receive events... there's really no need for that |
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| 16:57.49 | |FF|Im2good4u | malreth: wall u can ofc recieve them on your visable frame.. |
| 16:58.07 | malreth | what if i have no UI? |
| 16:58.52 | malreth | for instance in Ensemble, all it does is just auto-accepts group invites from friends and guildmates... no ui needed. I have to create a hidden frame to get the party_request events |
| 17:00.39 | malreth | it'd be nice if I could do a RegisterEvent("PARTY_INVITE_REQUEST", MyEventWatcherObject) and the game would call MyEventWatcherObject:PARTY_INVITE_REQUEST() automatically |
| 17:01.29 | malreth | and even better, it would send arg1-arg9 as actual function arguments instead of having to check global variables |
| 17:01.43 | |FF|Im2good4u | actualy if u only want to accepnt those invites then hook away :p |
| 17:02.00 | malreth | but i shouldn't have to hook. :) |
| 17:02.08 | |FF|Im2good4u | yeh indeed :p |
| 17:02.21 | malreth | an event is exactly the way this should be done from a design standpoint |
| 17:02.40 | malreth | a software design standpoint, that is |
| 17:03.54 | malreth | plus, hooks are fragile. granted, someone is probably not going to go and hook the same function or method that I do and screw things up... but it could happen and that means i'm inherently relying on something that is potentially unreliable |
| 17:04.32 | zenzelezz | someone will hook the same funcion(s), but people usually don't use conflicting mods |
| 17:04.40 | malreth | that... and it makes baby Dijkstra cry |
| 17:05.18 | Kaso | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WoWWiki <-- wow thats confusing a wiki article about wowwiki |
| 17:05.28 | zenzelezz | Knuth > Dijkstra |
| 17:05.42 | malreth | "our graph, it's path acyclic, directed be its name..." |
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| 17:07.48 | Iriel | I assume you've all seen http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14757769/site/newsweek/ ? |
| 17:08.03 | malreth | oh that... yeah. I wrote that article |
| 17:08.29 | Iriel | I'm pretty sure you're not Steven Levy |
| 17:08.38 | malreth | that's a pen-name of mine |
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| 17:10.25 | cogwheel | Malreth, i have a hard time believing you only learned that the level cap was 60 while researching that article... :O |
| 17:10.47 | zenzelezz | creative freedom ;-o |
| 17:10.49 | malreth | have you seen my forum avatar? I've been lv 46 for what... 5 years now? |
| 17:12.15 | tyroney | Heh. I like this quote: "There are soldiers, bartenders, truckdrivers, lawyers and Goggle engineers" |
| 17:13.50 | malreth | "Engaging in this orgy of sword-swiping, spell-casting and monster-slaying" That's my favorite line |
| 17:14.04 | malreth | i always try to use 'orgy' in all of my articles |
| 17:16.53 | jaxdahl | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19145 |
| 17:17.01 | jaxdahl | why does that item not show up on ctprofiles? |
| 17:17.07 | jaxdahl | Cide? |
| 17:17.30 | Cide | http://ctprofiles.net/items.ct?i=19145 |
| 17:18.21 | jaxdahl | not showing up in the item list for my paladin |
| 17:18.50 | Cide | shows up fine for me |
| 17:18.54 | Cide | are you level 60? |
| 17:18.55 | jaxdahl | oh |
| 17:19.00 | jaxdahl | was puttting in Robe*s* |
| 17:19.03 | jaxdahl | rather than robe |
| 17:20.28 | jaxdahl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.28 | jaxdahl | http://ctprofiles.net/376283 |
| 17:20.33 | jaxdahl | check out spell crit sandbox |
| 17:20.35 | jaxdahl | on that profile |
| 17:22.50 | jaxdahl | cide, would be nice if there were a spell crit % for holy spells that reflects the talent build |
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| 17:25.10 | Industrial | kirky gone? :( |
| 17:25.50 | jaxdahl | he was asking about you |
| 17:26.25 | jaxdahl | 112845 <Kirkburn> Industrial better return soon otherwise I'll worry his PC has gone boom |
| 17:26.31 | Industrial | yeah I was poking around with nvidia drivers |
| 17:26.34 | Industrial | all is good |
| 17:26.34 | jaxdahl | 1 hour ago |
| 17:26.46 | Industrial | that was 1 hour ago shit :( |
| 17:26.54 | Industrial | went for dinner completely forgot :X |
| 17:26.59 | Industrial | I feel bad now |
| 17:27.00 | TS|Skrom | jaxdahl *whistle* 15% crit to heals and 100% mana back on a crit |
| 17:27.04 | TS|Skrom | talk about longevity |
| 17:27.17 | TS|Skrom | sorry 17% |
| 17:27.29 | TS|Skrom | almost 18 hehe |
| 17:27.40 | Industrial | howmuch percent mana does 1 heal cost? =) |
| 17:28.05 | Industrial | thats like endless mana |
| 17:28.13 | Industrial | nukenukenukenuke |
| 17:28.35 | TS|Skrom | sorry... 100% of the COST of the heal back on a crit :p |
| 17:28.44 | Industrial | ah |
| 17:28.45 | Industrial | :p |
| 17:28.53 | Industrial | brb |
| 17:29.23 | jaxdahl | TS|Skrom |
| 17:29.24 | jaxdahl | uh |
| 17:29.28 | jaxdahl | more like 40% crit heals |
| 17:29.48 | TS|Skrom | Crit with spells 12.85 + 5% from the talent? |
| 17:29.50 | TS|Skrom | what did I miss? |
| 17:29.58 | jaxdahl | crit with spells 37.41% |
| 17:30.13 | TS|Skrom | oh lol |
| 17:30.13 | jaxdahl | are you looking at the spell crit sandbox profile? |
| 17:30.16 | TS|Skrom | I was lookinga t the main >< |
| 17:30.19 | TS|Skrom | newb <-- |
| 17:30.28 | jaxdahl | 32.41 + 5 talent |
| 17:30.34 | jaxdahl | +2.5% or so with AI+kings |
| 17:30.47 | tyroney | That's kinda scary. I mean, gosh. |
| 17:31.04 | jaxdahl | i went for the best +crit and +int |
| 17:31.07 | TS|Skrom | even more longevity! |
| 17:31.11 | jaxdahl | for example, check the robes |
| 17:31.15 | jaxdahl | 2% crit, +15 int |
| 17:31.28 | jaxdahl | obviously redemption tunic is a m uch better item overall |
| 17:31.32 | jaxdahl | 1% crit +31 int |
| 17:31.40 | jaxdahl | but 16 int doesn't match 1% crit |
| 17:31.46 | jaxdahl | it's more like 29.5 int or so |
| 17:32.05 | jaxdahl | and for added bonus |
| 17:32.12 | jaxdahl | moonkin in your group |
| 17:32.15 | jaxdahl | for 43% crit |
| 17:32.16 | jaxdahl | hot |
| 17:32.29 | jaxdahl | my current paladin has 22% or so crit |
| 17:32.31 | TS|Skrom | muh..moo...moonkin? |
| 17:32.34 | TS|Skrom | what's that? |
| 17:32.34 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 17:32.40 | jaxdahl | TS|Skrom, druid form |
| 17:32.45 | TS|Skrom | I was being sarcastic |
| 17:32.46 | jaxdahl | they have spec for it |
| 17:32.51 | TS|Skrom | I rarely see 'em |
| 17:32.59 | jaxdahl | yea, it's mostly just alts that have it |
| 17:33.10 | jaxdahl | for comedy or bringing to onyxia or whatever |
| 17:33.54 | jaxdahl | do you guys see any mistakes i may have made? |
| 17:34.03 | jaxdahl | or improvements to items to get even higher crit? |
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| 17:34.20 | jaxdahl | i replaced heliotrope cloak with cloak of the necropolis .. it wasn't a known drop before |
| 17:34.31 | jaxdahl | and noted that i missed the robe of volatile power |
| 17:39.07 | jaxdahl | check my 'current spell crit' profile |
| 17:39.17 | jaxdahl | i put in my best spell crit items from memory |
| 17:39.28 | jaxdahl | 19.15% crit. |
| 17:39.36 | jaxdahl | +5% holy spells |
| 17:39.49 | jaxdahl | that seems higher than what theorycraft says in game.. hmmmm |
| 17:53.07 | Beladona | blizz should make GuildRecruitment global |
| 17:53.13 | TS|Skrom | bah, blizzard text search down atm >< |
| 17:53.20 | Beladona | because people use LFG for guild recruitment now |
| 17:53.57 | malreth | we should start using LFG for global addon com now |
| 17:54.14 | Beladona | uhh |
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| 17:54.19 | malreth | heh |
| 17:54.22 | Beladona | thats one way to get them to hate you |
| 17:55.22 | malreth | find a way to encode data to look like LFG requests |
| 17:55.38 | TS|Skrom | okay dangit I can't find my answer |
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| 17:55.50 | TS|Skrom | anyone know why SCTD would NOT be showing any of my bow damage? |
| 17:55.54 | Beladona | now, an addon that automatically asks or offers groups, might be cool |
| 17:56.19 | malreth | Steganography |
| 18:11.14 | jaxdahl | TS|Skrom, what is it shwoing up like in your combat log? |
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| 18:22.53 | Cairenn | offs, I hate the new "ribbon" on office 2007, I can never frigging find anything |
| 18:24.28 | Beladona | lol |
| 18:25.02 | Beladona | I hate the whole ui. I wish they would let you turn off the "special" interface, and make it look like all my other windows |
| 18:25.32 | Cairenn | honestly |
| 18:25.50 | cogwheel | I thought the last word was they were scrapping the ribbon... |
| 18:26.04 | Beladona | no |
| 18:26.08 | Beladona | they are just reorganizing it |
| 18:26.13 | Cairenn | *prays fervently* |
| 18:26.16 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 18:26.38 | Beladona | they should let you turn it off though |
| 18:26.41 | Cairenn | they need to give the option of new or old style |
| 18:26.51 | Beladona | or at the least, have teh normal file, view, etc... bar above it |
| 18:26.56 | Cairenn | for all us dinosaurs that can't deal with change, you understand |
| 18:27.01 | Cairenn | I'd go for that! |
| 18:27.27 | Beladona | I can deal with both |
| 18:27.31 | Beladona | but not one or the other |
| 18:27.50 | Beladona | MS is in this "we changed it, so deal with it" mood lately |
| 18:28.08 | Cairenn | yeah, well, they can kill my lily white .... |
| 18:28.12 | Cairenn | kiss* |
| 18:28.15 | Cairenn | gah |
| 18:28.25 | Beladona | hehe |
| 18:28.33 | Beladona | give them time, they might kill it too |
| 18:28.59 | Cairenn | I am so tempted to pull 2007 back off my machine and just go back to 2003, at least it frigging worked, and made sense to boot! |
| 18:29.03 | Beladona | Microsoft Suicide Assistant 2007 |
| 18:29.09 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 18:36.43 | Cairenn | and the big news for today ... |
| 18:36.51 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Congrats JoshBorke on your engagement! | WoW will be using Lua 5.1 for the expansion| http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7 |Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ |
| 18:38.01 | Beladona | ooh |
| 18:38.08 | Beladona | gratz JoshBorke! |
| 18:39.12 | zenzelezz | http://home.samsen.com/zenzelezz/oops.jpg |
| 18:39.18 | zenzelezz | anyone spot something wrong in the picture? |
| 18:39.47 | Mikma | scarabs? |
| 18:39.58 | Cide | JoshBorke: congrats! |
| 18:40.01 | Esamynn | grats JoshBorke |
| 18:40.18 | Cide | you just resigned your freedom, but congrats nonetheless! |
| 18:40.41 | zenzelezz | Mikma: see where we are in Naxxramas |
| 18:40.58 | Kirov | JoshBorke - is "letting Josh work on his mods" part of your prenuptual agreement? |
| 18:41.29 | Cairenn | Kirov: rofl |
| 18:41.42 | Mikma | zenzelezz: yeap, are there supposed to be scarabs? |
| 18:41.47 | Mikma | i have no idea since haven't been there yet |
| 18:41.48 | zenzelezz | someone got disconnected during the Anub'Rekhan fight, we wiped (due to lag) so we went to clear some trash in deathknight wing instead |
| 18:42.01 | zenzelezz | then he logs back in and Anub comes charging all the way to the deathknight wing |
| 18:42.15 | Esamynn | ouch |
| 18:42.17 | Beladona | anyone know of a lag meter addon? Can't get my default one to work with CTmod installed, so need an addon for it =P |
| 18:42.17 | Mikma | JoshBorke: gz :) i myself got married 2 days ago ;) |
| 18:42.18 | Beladona | that or make my own, but I am lazy |
| 18:43.00 | malreth | i just use performancefu, Beladona |
| 18:43.22 | Cairenn | Mikma: serious? |
| 18:43.28 | Mikma | Cairenn: really really |
| 18:43.39 | Cairenn | woot! congrats to you, too! :) |
| 18:43.48 | Mikma | thanks :) |
| 18:43.48 | malreth | hmm... i should make a fubar plugin called NanDemoNaiFu |
| 18:43.56 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Congrats JoshBorke on your engagement and to Mikma on your newly-wed status! | WoW will be using Lua 5.1 for the expansion| http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7 |Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ |
| 18:44.16 | Mikma | we are a wow-couple hehe |
| 18:44.29 | Mikma | and we got a inside-wow-joke card from our friends... |
| 18:44.35 | Mikma | and another friend gave us 2x prepaid :D |
| 18:44.40 | Beladona | haha |
| 18:44.54 | Beladona | not gonna ask if you played wow on your wedding night... |
| 18:45.13 | Mikma | well i would have if my laptop would have been with me |
| 18:45.15 | Esamynn | Beladona: probably good to not ask ;) |
| 18:45.16 | malreth | hmmm... honeymoon wow |
| 18:45.17 | Mikma | but i DID visit irc ;) |
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| 18:45.37 | Beladona | I meant the computer wow, not the live action fantasy |
| 18:45.41 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 18:45.46 | Esamynn | lol |
| 18:45.49 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 18:46.00 | Beladona | <insert horny tauren joke here> |
| 18:46.14 | malreth | i remove your plate armor and break your set bonus |
| 18:46.40 | Beladona | the real question is, is she a Hunter? |
| 18:46.45 | Beladona | and did she tame you? |
| 18:47.13 | Beladona | my wife would be a good hunter.. |
| 18:47.31 | Esamynn | haha |
| 18:47.49 | Cide | Mikma: congrats! |
| 18:47.55 | Mikma | Cide: thanks :) |
| 18:48.20 | malreth | my fiancee would be too.. she'd feign death to avoid encounters at night... |
| 18:48.24 | malreth | :( |
| 18:49.46 | malreth | I'd be all, "hey honey?" and she'd fall to the floor. I'd impulsively reset back to the couch in front of the TV |
| 18:49.47 | Beladona | doh |
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| 18:50.15 | Industrial | ghe ghe |
| 18:50.20 | Industrial | I have so much fps in half life 1 now |
| 18:50.27 | Industrial | my client is actually playing in slow motion |
| 18:50.31 | malreth | HL1? noob |
| 18:50.35 | malreth | :p |
| 18:50.40 | Industrial | when peoepl spectate me first person they say I have slowmo hax |
| 18:50.45 | Industrial | =) |
| 18:50.50 | Industrial | I play hl1:TFC |
| 18:51.01 | Industrial | lik 7.5 years now |
| 18:51.02 | Industrial | :P |
| 18:51.04 | Industrial | like* |
| 18:51.24 | malreth | i don't care... they're all MURDER simulators. all of those games |
| 18:51.54 | malreth | it's desensitized you to violence. you are a trained KILLING machine |
| 18:52.05 | Cairenn | wow's no better |
| 18:52.16 | Industrial | actually |
| 18:52.22 | Industrial | I use rockets to propel myself |
| 18:52.25 | Industrial | not to kill others |
| 18:52.27 | Industrial | :> |
| 18:52.45 | Industrial | and grenades too |
| 18:52.52 | malreth | wow is the bane of society since it teaches children to hate religion and to love bill clinton |
| 18:53.13 | Industrial | I dont think theres anything wrong with that |
| 18:53.16 | zenzelezz | and which former president should it teach them to love? Nixon? |
| 18:53.19 | zenzelezz | Reagan? |
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| 18:53.25 | Industrial | Kirkburn, ! |
| 18:53.31 | Kirkburn | Industrial, ! |
| 18:53.31 | Industrial | Kirkburn, all is good |
| 18:53.34 | Kirkburn | phew |
| 18:53.54 | Industrial | I heard you were worried and im sorry, I left for dinner and I forgot all about it |
| 18:54.06 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 18:54.17 | Kirkburn | no problemo :P Working well? |
| 18:54.44 | Industrial | Actually what im now using is the NVIDIA one. The 7zipped exes from that site are corrupt - at least thats what it says |
| 18:54.53 | Kirkburn | Ah fair enough |
| 18:54.59 | Industrial | pwetty poo :( |
| 18:55.03 | Industrial | but still |
| 18:55.12 | Industrial | I get so much fps in hl1 that im playing in slow motion |
| 18:55.17 | Industrial | no kidding people spectated me and agreed |
| 18:55.23 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 18:55.32 | Industrial | around 300-400 btw |
| 18:55.35 | Industrial | I unloakced it |
| 18:55.38 | Industrial | unlocked* |
| 18:55.45 | Kirkburn | Wow .. just wow |
| 18:56.01 | Industrial | developer 1;fps_max 999; |
| 18:56.06 | zenzelezz | you don't actually get that many I believe |
| 18:56.14 | Industrial | I know |
| 18:56.23 | Industrial | but you get huge timing advantages |
| 18:56.29 | zenzelezz | but still has to be a lot to get that number reported |
| 18:56.29 | Industrial | especially because hl1:tfc is very fast paced |
| 18:56.39 | Kirkburn | Anything above 70 is imperceptible, but still :) |
| 18:56.53 | Industrial | yeah =P |
| 18:57.28 | Industrial | Anyone here have a hl1 steam account? |
| 18:57.40 | Industrial | all vs me lets get it on >:) |
| 18:57.47 | Kirkburn | (I'm saying 70 as an average so not even laggy bits would be noticeable, since we can't tell anything better than about 30 in RL. Pointless aside /over) |
| 18:58.00 | Kirkburn | I have Steam ... but not got HL1 installed atm :/ |
| 18:58.03 | Industrial | 30? I thought 100.. |
| 18:58.19 | Industrial | Kirkburn, Team Fortress Classic is like 200MB in size |
| 18:58.35 | Kirkburn | TV uses about 24 and that's pretty smooth :P |
| 18:58.51 | Kirkburn | I'll check the size Industrial =) |
| 18:59.34 | TS|Skrom | <malreth> my fiancee would be too.. she'd feign death to avoid encounters at night... |
| 18:59.34 | TS|Skrom | <malreth> :( |
| 18:59.34 | TS|Skrom | <malreth> I'd be all, "hey honey?" and she'd fall to the floor. I'd impulsively reset back to the couch in front of the TV |
| 18:59.36 | TS|Skrom | ROFL |
| 18:59.38 | Kirkburn | 566 MB actually :) |
| 18:59.50 | TS|Skrom | I couldn't let that one get away |
| 19:00.09 | Kirkburn | Hehe, nice |
| 19:00.26 | malreth | someone will eventually write a book about everything i've ever said in an irc channel |
| 19:00.38 | TS|Skrom | that was bloody brilliant |
| 19:00.49 | TS|Skrom | I felt myself saying "damn my ex-wife was a hunter too!" |
| 19:00.51 | Kirkburn | Industrial, awesomer would be CS:S or HL2:DM |
| 19:01.12 | Industrial | Im bad at precision aiming (cs) and donw have a hl2 account |
| 19:01.22 | Industrial | im fine with a rocket launcher :> |
| 19:01.51 | malreth | i'm highly googlable, too |
| 19:01.55 | malreth | http://www.google.com/search?hs=Tdq&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22tyler+riti%22&btnG=Search |
| 19:02.20 | Industrial | Theres an american DJ named Tom Wieland |
| 19:02.22 | Industrial | :s |
| 19:02.27 | Beladona | http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm |
| 19:02.31 | Beladona | read that |
| 19:02.42 | Beladona | all the info you need on human eye recognition of fps |
| 19:02.53 | Industrial | "No wonder because Tom Wieland has gained the reputation of an expert for this region and especially Hungary where he goes several times a year both to play and to chase rare records." |
| 19:02.55 | Industrial | oooookey |
| 19:04.38 | Beladona | a perfect example of the fps issue is a game called Star Wars Battlefront. It uses movie slight blurring effects, which actually hides a lot of jaggies and fps slowdowns, because your eye doesn't pick up the stutter at all. its an extremely effective technique |
| 19:04.53 | Kirkburn | Beladona, thanks for that link |
| 19:05.01 | Beladona | thats why computer games tend to show fps changes so much, due to sharpness |
| 19:05.20 | Kirkburn | My comment was far too general |
| 19:05.59 | TS|Skrom | what part of "lots of ketchup" mysteriously sounds like "four packets of ketchup" to the drive thru lady? |
| 19:06.04 | Industrial | Beladona, Ive noticed going down from 100 to 75 FPS it would get choppy |
| 19:06.06 | Industrial | in hl1 |
| 19:06.09 | Industrial | is that possible? |
| 19:06.26 | Kirkburn | It surprises me ... |
| 19:06.39 | Kirkburn | Choppy how? |
| 19:07.18 | Zicon | ts|skrom: One, two, many, lots... |
| 19:07.21 | Beladona | Industrial, you aren't seeing choppy |
| 19:07.22 | Industrial | less fluid... |
| 19:07.25 | Beladona | you are seeing a frame shift |
| 19:07.30 | Beladona | there is a difference |
| 19:07.37 | TS|Skrom | Zicon curses foiled again |
| 19:07.43 | Industrial | k |
| 19:08.08 | Zicon | (in other words, said lady is probably a troll.) |
| 19:08.19 | TS|Skrom | I'd believe it |
| 19:08.45 | Kirkburn | This is an awesome optical illusion site: http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/ |
| 19:11.45 | malreth | my friend is having an anti-erotica contest on her LJ... she wants people to send in the worst written erotica they can think of. not gross or depraved or ungrammatical... just bad writing. |
| 19:11.52 | TS|Skrom | curses rating system... simple average of all the ratings given? |
| 19:11.57 | malreth | in the rules for the contest, she wrote "enter as many times as you like" |
| 19:12.03 | malreth | i loled |
| 19:12.13 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 19:12.47 | Zicon | kirkburn: I want to paint the rotating snake on my bathroom wall. |
| 19:13.26 | Beladona | here is a perfect example |
| 19:13.29 | Beladona | The next time you are in the cinema do the following: Look up to the ceiling while the movie is playing. Especially during bright/white scenes you will clearly notice that the movie flickers. |
| 19:14.02 | Beladona | the sides of your vision are more sensitive to brightness and flickering |
| 19:15.58 | Kirkburn | Ooh, I'd better try that out |
| 19:16.12 | Kirkburn | Check this illusion out: http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/col_equilu/index.html |
| 19:16.26 | Kirkburn | See if you can make it switch directions in your mind |
| 19:16.28 | malreth | i have trouble watching DLPs because of the color flickering |
| 19:17.49 | Kirkburn | (if you have flickering problems with that illusion press up or down to change the background) |
| 19:18.01 | Kirkburn | malreth, sounds like you need better DLPs :P |
| 19:18.30 | Beladona | it depends on the angle too |
| 19:18.43 | Beladona | may ened to reposition the tv slightly |
| 19:18.48 | Beladona | need* |
| 19:18.53 | cogwheel | malreth: they make 3-chip DLPs as well as single-chip ones with faster color wheels (mine spins at 3x speed plus has red, green, blue, yellow and white for better color & brightness) |
| 19:19.07 | malreth | hmm... interesting |
| 19:19.30 | Beladona | was just looking at one last night from Samsung. can't remember the model |
| 19:19.34 | malreth | well, i have a direct-view tv at home anyways... it's old and cheap and i like it just fine |
| 19:19.46 | Beladona | no flicker that I can tell, and sharpest, best color repro of any DLP I have seen |
| 19:21.45 | cogwheel | malreth: yeah, but it's not 93 inches diagonal :P |
| 19:21.49 | TS|Skrom | Kirkburn -- I hate you |
| 19:22.02 | TS|Skrom | You shouldn't have linked that site. There goes my afternoon. |
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| 19:22.52 | cogwheel | The EYES!!! They're following me!!!!!! /cower |
| 19:25.11 | cogwheel | The first time I saw this effect in discover magazine, it turned my stomach: http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/fcs_thompson-thatcher/index.html |
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| 19:43.31 | KevICG | if I may ask, I'm a bit noobish on the whole addon creation thingy, is somebody here willing to take a few minutes to answer some basic questions on messaging? |
| 19:44.43 | malreth | Greetings, citizen. What's your boggle? |
| 19:45.18 | zenzelezz | what he means is ask in the channel and you'll have a better chance of getting an answer |
| 19:45.40 | JoshBorke | i thought he was talking about a game called boggle... |
| 19:45.43 | JoshBorke | way to dash my hopes :-( |
| 19:45.44 | KevICG | I'm just curious, I'm working on a design for an addon that can have some potential deadlock conditions, I'm wondering how well messaging works as people zone and do various other activities which consume lots of processing |
| 19:46.00 | JoshBorke | events are que'ed while zoning |
| 19:46.22 | KevICG | so you never lose them completely :) wee, one fear conquered |
| 19:46.23 | JoshBorke | well, not really. the best bet is to disable while zoning and re-enable after zoning |
| 19:46.37 | JoshBorke | you'll still get tells while zoning |
| 19:46.47 | JoshBorke | but i don't think you can send them until you finish zoning |
| 19:47.00 | KevICG | fair enough, this isn't something that needs to occur in realtime |
| 19:47.31 | KevICG | just trying to figure out some syncronization issues and various instances of my addon becoming out of date |
| 19:47.48 | JoshBorke | what are you doing? if i may be curious |
| 19:48.06 | KevICG | working on something that does some scheduling of events. Like GEM but without all the spam |
| 19:49.13 | KevICG | I've got a system that can easily validate snapshots of the events scheduled, but my problem is how I go about updating when folks may be zoning, crashing etc while I'm trying to syncronize |
| 19:49.25 | JoshBorke | cool :-) |
| 19:50.06 | KevICG | heh, not cool yet, just working on a rough draft of it |
| 19:50.48 | JoshBorke | it's an interesting problem :-) there's an Ace addon called Combine being written by Kaelten, you should check it out. |
| 19:50.59 | KevICG | I shall |
| 19:51.07 | JoshBorke | one sec |
| 19:51.09 | Maldivia | hmm, priest spells and tanlents are up |
| 19:51.22 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1828.0.html |
| 19:51.22 | KevICG | wewt, about time |
| 19:51.33 | JoshBorke | SW: Death seems interesting |
| 19:51.39 | JoshBorke | and i'm super stoaked about the new holy spells |
| 19:52.16 | JoshBorke | Prayer of Mending |
| 19:52.50 | Cide | SW: Death seems really crappy, but PoM seems nice |
| 19:53.26 | Maldivia | Reactive Shield talent (disc 30) is very interesting |
| 19:53.35 | Kirkburn1 | zomg, death is crappy? |
| 19:53.37 | Maldivia | and improved divine spirit |
| 19:53.53 | Kirkburn1 | There was me thinking "woo, Death" |
| 19:53.55 | Cide | very crappy damage/mana ratio |
| 19:54.04 | Cide | and it deals damage to you if it doesn't die |
| 19:54.08 | Maldivia | hmm. improved shadow weaving - interesting |
| 19:54.20 | Cide | if the target* |
| 19:54.59 | Maldivia | mending is such an EQ reactive healing rip off :) |
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| 19:56.25 | JoshBorke | yea, shadow doesn't seem to get much |
| 19:56.30 | JoshBorke | and Mass Dispel just seems lame |
| 19:57.26 | KevICG | josh: the combine looks interesting, but seems about as advanced as we are at the moment. They're still talking sync channels though, we're planning on running MD5 checksums on individual events and a master checksum on the event list, syncing will be a simple matter of checking the checksums against the list. |
| 19:58.45 | JoshBorke | i'd say try to work with him and see if you can come up with anything. i know he's been really busy with the ace stuff lately so he hasn't worked on it much |
| 19:58.53 | JoshBorke | why not a simpler crc checksum? |
| 19:59.15 | KevICG | it's not out of the question |
| 19:59.24 | JoshBorke | just cuts down on data and processing time |
| 19:59.36 | KevICG | true, although checksums aren't difficult to compute |
| 19:59.41 | KevICG | either way :) |
| 19:59.45 | JoshBorke | true :-) |
| 20:00.31 | JoshBorke | hm, so will you have timestamps or something inside the data format to determine who has the most accurate information? |
| 20:01.19 | KevICG | heh, well things get... interesting.. (in the Chinese curse meaning) there. accuracy is impossible, we'll just have to have some rules for who gets bumped when |
| 20:01.44 | KevICG | but yes, timestamps |
| 20:02.13 | KevICG | the lack of data store kills the ability to be truly accurate |
| 20:04.27 | KevICG | I guess the central idea is that after somebody logs in, they syncronize if needed (which with checksums of some variety will be relatively simple) and then everybody online is at the same state until somebody else logs in or somebody modifies an event. |
| 20:05.31 | JoshBorke | are you going to tie the information changes to the guild authority? ie someone who is an 'initiate' can't go changing things but the GM can? |
| 20:05.58 | KevICG | default options will be of that variety, GL will be able to grant permission to various ranks |
| 20:06.19 | KevICG | we'd like it to be nicely configurable |
| 20:07.16 | KevICG | the part that's killing me mentally, is that when you want to sync events, you have to put a temporary lock on folks trying to sync. I'm just wondering how I'm going to work the timeouts for cases when somebody starts a sync, then crashes. |
| 20:11.03 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 20:11.09 | JoshBorke | but shouldn't more than one person be able to sync? |
| 20:11.20 | KevICG | sure, just not at the same time :) |
| 20:11.43 | JoshBorke | as long as the events are distinct they could, couldn't they? |
| 20:12.05 | KevICG | they could, but there's no guarantee that they would be distinct events |
| 20:12.12 | Kirkburn1 | Wow, I'm sitting here slack-jawed at the BC races dances |
| 20:12.17 | Kirkburn1 | They're amazing! |
| 20:12.24 | KevICG | there's a very real possibility they may be both on the same event |
| 20:12.25 | Kirkburn1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH55ThivSAQ |
| 20:12.51 | KevICG | My webmonkey is going to drool on phpRaid, I don't think he knew that existed |
| 20:13.00 | JoshBorke | KevICG: as long as only one person talks and announces what event they are broadcasting and when they are don |
| 20:13.05 | JoshBorke | s/don$/done/ |
| 20:14.39 | yacoob | Kirkburn1: noooo! |
| 20:14.43 | yacoob | Kirkburn1: it's all wrong!!! |
| 20:14.51 | yacoob | Kirkburn1: the male draenei dance is NOT this song! |
| 20:15.14 | Kirkburn | Yeah, he obviously didn't know which song it came from :( |
| 20:15.15 | yacoob | it's THIS one! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1602696831935447819&q=daler+mehndi |
| 20:15.22 | yacoob | (warning, brain-damaging content inside) |
| 20:15.39 | Kirkburn | Tunak Tunak Tun ftw |
| 20:15.55 | KevICG | josh: thinking about it, bear with me, too little sleep, not enough caffeine |
| 20:16.07 | yacoob | exactly :D |
| 20:16.22 | JoshBorke | KevICG: np, i'm not very good at this stuff :-) just trying to help you out :-) |
| 20:17.14 | KevICG | no worries, you bring up a valid point, I'm trying to determine if my method had any innate advantage |
| 20:17.35 | KevICG | avoiding locking states is a good thing |
| 20:19.56 | KevICG | actually I think your idea is the better one. I'd go to great lengths to avoid trying to lock updates |
| 20:21.36 | KevICG | another question on a vaguely related theme. Do you know if anybody has a substitute/modification for uniuploader that will upload and download saved variable data during the login/logoff process? |
| 20:22.54 | Shadowed | That'd be impossible without having some sort of 3rd party programming check, which i believe is against one of those big legal thingys |
| 20:23.12 | KevICG | I don't want to modify it during gameplay |
| 20:23.34 | KevICG | just prior to login and after closing out wow |
| 20:24.43 | Shadowed | Not sure how far the modifying stuff extends, someone else would have to confirm. But I don't think checking when the client is opened/close is allowed |
| 20:25.20 | malreth | it's fine |
| 20:25.24 | malreth | relax |
| 20:25.49 | KevICG | I'm more thinking like the way Uni does it. It checks for updates prior to starting wow, starts wow, when it closes it can optionally update roster data |
| 20:26.23 | KevICG | I'm just looking for something a little more configurable |
| 20:26.34 | KevICG | and I'd rather not have to learn C# |
| 20:28.10 | KevICG | ideally we want to load the data from our server, update the saved variable data with any web scheduled/modified events, and when the person logs out, upload the data back to the server so we can sync it with our online schedule |
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| 20:30.25 | malreth | eh, just write it in perl. that's cross platform. |
| 20:31.10 | cogwheel | or you can write it in Lua :P there are libraries out there for network communication, SQL access, etc... |
| 20:31.13 | KevICG | not a bad plan, we do have some mac users that are somewhat annoyed by uni |
| 20:32.12 | malreth | mac users love it when you remember that they exist |
| 20:32.29 | Mikma | who exist? |
| 20:32.39 | malreth | exactly! mac users are trash. |
| 20:32.51 | KevICG | meh, I'm platform agnostic |
| 20:35.10 | KevICG | anyway, does anybody know of a substitute for uniuploader, platform independent or not? |
| 20:39.36 | TS|Skrom | what's a mac |
| 20:39.38 | TS|Skrom | ? |
| 20:40.40 | zenzelezz | rain coat, isn't it? |
| 20:41.09 | Shadowed | expensive paper weight |
| 20:41.24 | Mikma | something you look and cry yourself to sleep after |
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| 20:44.11 | malreth | ok... so tell me if i have this right |
| 20:44.28 | malreth | priests and mages both get summonable pets in TBC |
| 20:44.42 | malreth | priests get their three shades as a trainable skill |
| 20:44.46 | cogwheel | i thought it was shaman and mages.... |
| 20:44.53 | jaxdahl | priest talents are up?? |
| 20:44.56 | KevICG | aye |
| 20:44.56 | malreth | mages have to spend 41 points |
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| 20:45.48 | malreth | my only hope... is that after spending 41 points, my elemental pet won't get banished right away |
| 20:46.21 | JoshBorke | no, they'll put the warlock curse on it that blows up when the thing dies |
| 20:46.30 | JoshBorke | because no one thinks to check pets for debuffs ;-) |
| 20:47.03 | cogwheel | hmm... at 8 seconds with 5 min cooldown, i don't know if i'd really call shades of darkness a "pet".... |
| 20:47.28 | cogwheel | it looks like it would have the same effect on combat as a DOT |
| 20:47.43 | malreth | a DoT with travel time? :) |
| 20:47.48 | JoshBorke | yea, but variable attacks means it disrupts casting time |
| 20:49.00 | cogwheel | malreth: i don't really think so... it says "to attakc the enemy target" which is very different than "to fight for the caster" |
| 20:49.11 | cogwheel | it doesn't sound like you can summon them and they'll follow you around... |
| 20:49.30 | malreth | hmm... true |
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| 20:58.08 | Codayus | I'll be honest...very underwhelmed by the priest info. |
| 20:58.35 | Codayus | I was hoping for much more. :-/ |
| 21:00.22 | tyroney | I've just stopped hoping for anything, and take whatever they throw at me. When they killed mind soothe and soothe animal it was just too much for me. |
| 21:00.35 | KevICG | ya, disc talent tree and prayer of mending are the only ones that make me feel loved |
| 21:01.50 | Codayus | Imp Divine Spirit is....interesting. |
| 21:02.50 | Codayus | But really, what I wanted was some talents or spells that helped me heal, but did so in a way OTHER than "your heals do 1% more" or something. |
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| 21:04.09 | KevICG | prayer of mending ain't bad, it's good for first pull in a fight |
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| 21:05.37 | Codayus | But all the new healing gimmicks are....bleh. A heal that heals me too? meh. Or a longer range PoH that still only works on my party... |
| 21:05.53 | Codayus | Mending....yeah, I guess. |
| 21:06.24 | Codayus | But I'm totally not seeing the point of the new 41 point talents. |
| 21:06.49 | cogwheel | I think part of the problem is that they did such a good job with the last priest overhaul that the changes aren't as spectacular as they are for other classes |
| 21:06.49 | Codayus | Or a clearcasting smite talent thingie in holy? ....eah. |
| 21:06.58 | Codayus | that's true... :-) |
| 21:07.39 | Codayus | I did think lightwell could stand being fixed. or holy could get a 41 point talent that was compelling... |
| 21:08.16 | Codayus | the bottom half of the holy tree is still silly gimmicks and boring but marginally useful filler. :-/ |
| 21:08.16 | cogwheel | plus it's all still subject to change considering it's only in alpha atm |
| 21:08.27 | Codayus | true. :-) |
| 21:09.03 | KevICG | better be in beta by now |
| 21:09.17 | cogwheel | nope... if it was in beta i'd be playing it right now |
| 21:09.26 | cogwheel | as would anyone else who went to BlizzCon ;) |
| 21:09.47 | cogwheel | or .... bought the beta access code on eBay... lol |
| 21:15.39 | JoshBorke | lol |
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| 21:27.24 | ckknight | we'll just put a happy little bush there. |
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| 21:28.51 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 21:28.56 | JoshBorke | i made the topic? |
| 21:29.06 | JoshBorke | Mikma: grats :-D |
| 21:29.07 | Qzot | Cairenn is chuckling at the bush placement. |
| 21:29.22 | Cairenn | you've been getting lots of congrats, too |
| 21:30.06 | Kirov | Josh - You just got engaged and you're cursing already? |
| 21:30.33 | JoshBorke | ha! you think i stopped cursing just to get engaged? my proposal was: will you f'cking marry me? |
| 21:31.00 | JoshBorke | i'm just kidding :-D |
| 21:31.03 | Kirov | JoshBorke - you forgot to preface it with "Bitch" |
| 21:31.09 | Mikma | JoshBorke: yeah, you made the topic :D |
| 21:31.36 | Kirov | Personally, I think it's a lie about Mikma though |
| 21:31.45 | Mikma | orly? :) |
| 21:31.50 | Kirov | Yeah, you're still here. |
| 21:32.03 | Mikma | Kirov: no money for honeymoon = i'm here, sorry :) |
| 21:32.09 | Kirov | Mikma - doh |
| 21:32.15 | JoshBorke | yea, i gotta save up for honeymoon |
| 21:32.30 | Mikma | well we still had a weddingnight at hotel, that's a plus |
| 21:32.47 | Kirov | A friend of mine didn't have his honeymoon for 6 years |
| 21:33.07 | Qzot | cogwheel: I think with the la di da grats on the marriage and engagement, they couldn't kerry on with the bush discussion. |
| 21:33.13 | Mikma | well i don't see the idea of that anyway, it's just a waste of money |
| 21:33.37 | Mikma | Cairenn: heh |
| 21:33.51 | Kirov | Cairenn - do you still have kids living at home? |
| 21:33.53 | Qzot | Hmm. We had a honeymoon. |
| 21:33.58 | Qzot | And a nice one. |
| 21:34.05 | Qzot | And it was *cheap*. :D |
| 21:34.05 | Cairenn | daughter, 18 |
| 21:34.23 | Kirov | Cairenn - so, she'll be out in a year or two, at which point it'll feel like a honeymoon. |
| 21:34.30 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:34.40 | Stylpe | Hey, Cairenn, how's the family these days? =) |
| 21:34.51 | Cairenn | doing well, same 'ol same 'ol |
| 21:35.00 | cogwheel | your daughter play wow? |
| 21:35.04 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 21:35.11 | cogwheel | Good girl ;) |
| 21:35.12 | Cairenn | as does hubby and both my parents |
| 21:35.19 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 21:35.25 | zenzelezz | how else would they be able to communicate? |
| 21:35.29 | sancus | indoctrinated family |
| 21:35.31 | sancus | ! |
| 21:35.49 | cogwheel | my wife plays... we don't have kids though and our parents are ... less than technologically inclined... |
| 21:36.23 | JoshBorke | i'm trying to get my fiancee to play. perhaps next year she'll start (when she's done in school) |
| 21:36.23 | Mikma | we are a wow-couple too hehe |
| 21:36.23 | Kirov | My dad could probably play WoW, but I doubt it'd last very long. |
| 21:36.24 | zenzelezz | win/win situation! |
| 21:36.27 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: given that my husband has lived 10+ hrs away for the last 5 years ... you wouldn't believe the truth in that statement |
| 21:36.29 | Kirov | My mom ... not a chance. |
| 21:36.42 | Kirov | My grandmother is at times more technically inclided than my mother. |
| 21:37.14 | cogwheel | I'm actually going to have to cut back soon :( |
| 21:37.25 | Kirov | My girlfriend and I however ... our apartment's master bedroom is our computer room for wow. |
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| 21:56.24 | cogwheel | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 21:56.26 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 21:56.57 | Industrial | ew |
| 21:59.39 | cogwheel | kirov, my buttons can do the hokey pokey and I use flexbar :P |
| 22:00.01 | JoshBorke | boooo, not flexbar! |
| 22:00.34 | jaxdahl | is there a fast way to add a new item to the wiki based on info from thott or allakhazam? |
| 22:02.17 | Kirov | cogwheel - hehe |
| 22:03.35 | tyroney | Hmm. I think I want to make a mouseover critter hitter. |
| 22:04.32 | Qzot | tyroney: Can you say that again in English? |
| 22:05.21 | tyroney | Hit a button, or maybe a keybinding, and some visual indicator shows up. (like a button with a skull on it) The next critter you mouseover is summarily fireblasted, or PetAttacked, or similar. |
| 22:05.28 | JoshBorke | tyroney: can't |
| 22:05.40 | JoshBorke | need a hardware event to cast a spell |
| 22:05.45 | tyroney | Oh yeah, I guess that's true. |
| 22:05.51 | tyroney | Well, it was a nice daydream. |
| 22:06.13 | tyroney | Ok, a mouseover, fullscreen button critter hitter. |
| 22:06.31 | tyroney | It can be hard to target prairie dogs. |
| 22:06.37 | Qzot | Targeting counts as a hardware event, tho. |
| 22:06.52 | Qzot | That is, clicking with the mouse. |
| 22:07.56 | cogwheel | Would TargetNearestFriend() target prairie dogs? |
| 22:08.00 | tyroney | So a mouseover target won't happen? |
| 22:08.15 | JoshBorke | UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT is fired whenever the mouse-over unit changes |
| 22:08.24 | Qzot | What's your issue with prairie dogs? |
| 22:08.37 | Cairenn | he must be a rancher |
| 22:08.38 | tyroney | They're hard to target. Toads too. |
| 22:08.47 | tyroney | I can usually hit a squirrel on the first try, though. |
| 22:08.51 | Qzot | Ah. That's solvable. |
| 22:09.26 | Qzot | Easy to make something that auto-targets when you mouse over "hard-to-target" items, like prairie dogs. |
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| 22:10.09 | Qzot | Heh. Easy enough you might be able to fit it in a simple macro. |
| 22:10.15 | tyroney | Right. That's why I was thinking I'd do that. |
| 22:10.18 | tyroney | Just how simple? |
| 22:11.14 | Qzot | Create a frame, set on OnUpdate script for the frame which checks UnitName('mouseover'), and if so, does a TargetWhateverTheAPINameIsReallyCalled('mouseover') |
| 22:11.46 | tyroney | TargetUnit("mouseover") |
| 22:12.00 | Qzot | Yeah. That one. |
| 22:12.08 | tyroney | but every update? That sounds so... un-elegant. |
| 22:12.36 | tyroney | I suppose if I were activating it it wouldn't be too painful for my sensibilities. |
| 22:12.39 | Qzot | If you have space in the macro, don't call TargetUnit if UnitExists('target'), so you avoid rapid-fire target. |
| 22:12.48 | Kirov | erm |
| 22:13.06 | tyroney | Good thought. |
| 22:13.16 | tyroney | And there's always room in a macro. Well, almost. |
| 22:13.24 | Qzot | o.O |
| 22:13.30 | Kirov | why wouldn't you just go off of UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT? |
| 22:13.53 | tyroney | Yeah! What he said! |
| 22:13.56 | Qzot | Perfectly reasonable option. |
| 22:14.08 | Qzot | But might take more space, mebbe? |
| 22:14.11 | Kirov | By reasonable you mean not dumb! |
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| 22:15.36 | tyroney | Hmm... I think I'll make a skull. Click it, and it lights up. Mouseover a critter, and the eyes glow red. Click it while glowing, and BLAM! |
| 22:15.53 | Qzot | Let's just say ... I see enough flakiness with WoW events, that too often I just trigger stuff off OnUpdate and try to prune brutally how much code gets run in the standard case. Bad habit, but there are reasons. |
| 22:17.06 | tyroney | Interesting. |
| 22:18.04 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.53 | Kirov | Problem is of course the names. |
| 22:19.48 | Kirov | And you probably want to add some sort of key modifier like if IsShiftKeyDown() and IsAltKeyDown() and AutoTargets[UnitName(m) or ""] then |
| 22:20.10 | Kirov | Of course, this might be easier |
| 22:20.23 | cogwheel | does AttackTarget() take an event? |
| 22:20.34 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.34 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.51 | cogwheel | s/take an/require a hardware/ |
| 22:21.00 | Kirov | Yes |
| 22:21.30 | tyroney | and a UnitCanAttack("player","mouseover") to let the name list be a little more generic. |
| 22:22.02 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.26 | Kirov | hmm |
| 22:22.34 | Kirov | you'd have to see if the target is yellow first too |
| 22:22.37 | tyroney | wait, so you'd have to hover over something? |
| 22:22.40 | Kirov | though, I can see that being bad |
| 22:22.56 | Qzot | Kirov: TargetByName sucks when there are possible corpses about. |
| 22:22.58 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 22:22.59 | jaxdahl | is it desirable to have all epics from naxxramas added to the wiki? |
| 22:23.20 | jaxdahl | maul of the redeemed crusader, death's bargain aren't on the wiki for example |
| 22:23.25 | tyroney | Oh, and a UnitCreatureType("mouseover")=="critter" while we're at it. |
| 22:24.07 | Qzot | Hmm. This is giving me an idea. |
| 22:24.25 | cogwheel | ARGHAGARGRHARGARHARGRGRHRH |
| 22:24.26 | Qzot | As a tanking durid, it would be nice to auto-target critters when in bear form and out of combat. |
| 22:24.41 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.45 | Qzot | cogwheel: Please speak English. I hate using the murloc translator. |
| 22:25.00 | cogwheel | Man... i wish i could go all murloc on the forums right now... |
| 22:25.27 | jaxdahl | which? |
| 22:25.29 | Qzot | *sigh* I wish I could get my baby murloc moved from one toon to another. |
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| 22:26.13 | cogwheel | jaxdahl: the wow forums. Constant "server is busy" messages that eat posts... I really think it was better when they just let the login server die. |
| 22:29.36 | jaxdahl | i think they failed to optimize for what would happen as the database got bigger and bigger |
| 22:29.40 | Qzot | cogwheel: oh, gawd. |
| 22:29.45 | jaxdahl | they should've done an import of the old forums and tested withthose |
| 22:30.28 | Qzot | cogwheel: Not to mention throwing the baby out with the both: There were times I was in a generous mood and would go through the UI forum handing out answers. Can't now. |
| 22:32.18 | jaxdahl | frigging ThePlanet |
| 22:32.25 | jaxdahl | they had a lightning strike 2 1/2 hours ago |
| 22:32.29 | jaxdahl | and my server is still down |
| 22:32.33 | tyroney | Mwa ha ha! I managed to post a reply! |
| 22:33.09 | tyroney | click the subject and use return to preview, then click in the post body, tab twice, and return to post. |
| 22:35.12 | tyroney | ha. that's what I get for accidentally disabling images from the forums. |
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| 22:39.55 | Kirov | I need to make an appointment for that |
| 22:39.59 | Kirov | not really looking forward to it |
| 22:40.11 | Qzot | How many being taken out? |
| 22:40.56 | cogwheel | all of 'em |
| 22:41.23 | cogwheel | one of my lower ones is erupted but impacted... i have this large gap between it and my molar which is starting to decay |
| 22:41.34 | Qzot | You're losing the +1 int buff for each slot? |
| 22:42.12 | Qzot | Ouch. Sorry I was making a joke about it. Sounds painful. |
| 22:42.41 | cogwheel | Heh... i should be pretty well drugged up for the next couple days.... probably no wow though (let alone addon development) |
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| 22:47.53 | tyroney | Bah. There's no death penalty. |
| 22:48.52 | cogwheel | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 22:48.55 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 22:52.05 | JoshBorke | bye all |
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| 23:33.21 | TS|Skrom | Greetings and Hallucinations |
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| 23:38.49 | Kirov | It's amazing how slow the wow forums are |
| 23:40.02 | Qzot | I'm sure they'll speed up over time, as the database gets fuller. |
| 23:40.52 | TS|Skrom | Oo |
| 23:41.28 | Qzot | Um. It's called "sarcasm". Some consider a kind of word play. |
| 23:42.53 | Kirkburn | Lowest form of wit :P |
| 23:42.59 | Gryphen | sarcasm in text is a bit ambiguous |
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| 23:43.03 | Kirkburn | Amazingly popular with the British :P |
| 23:43.13 | Qzot | Gryphen: Very. |
| 23:44.43 | Qzot | Gryphen: Moreover, research shows that people think their own sarcasm is clear, and receivers think it's clear, even when both sender and receiver are guessing incorrectly (whether sarcasm or no) much of the time. (*pertains to email, but I'm assuming it applies to IRC, etc.) |
| 23:44.54 | Industrial | can anyone fill this in to 60? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=rxMhoZZEMGuczot |
| 23:45.12 | Qzot | Kirkburn: The British just rose a notch in my estimation. |
| 23:45.23 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 23:45.46 | Qzot | Industrial: Yes. |
| 23:45.53 | Industrial | please do |
| 23:45.54 | Industrial | ;p |
| 23:45.59 | Industrial | and post the link.. |
| 23:46.02 | Qzot | Ohhhh. |
| 23:46.18 | Qzot | Just click on bunches of things. You'll hit 60 eventually. |
| 23:46.39 | Industrial | ... |
| 23:47.22 | Qzot | pvp or raiding? |
| 23:47.40 | Industrial | pvp |
| 23:47.43 | Industrial | raiding sucks |
| 23:47.54 | Qzot | I'm not the one to ask then. |
| 23:47.57 | Industrial | unless theres good items I can use in pvp |
| 23:48.03 | Industrial | ;) |
| 23:48.16 | Qzot | I hate pvp. Not so much because it sucks, but because I suck. |
| 23:48.17 | Kirkburn | Awesome, I just got a Vista RC1 key even though they're not supposed to be available yet :D |
| 23:48.27 | Industrial | Qzot, thats fun |
| 23:48.31 | Industrial | cause then you are learning |
| 23:48.34 | Industrial | I wanna suck |
| 23:48.35 | Industrial | :( |
| 23:48.53 | Industrial | no j/k I suck too ;P |
| 23:48.53 | Qzot | I don't like learning by having my face smashed in repeatedly. |
| 23:48.58 | Kirkburn | It's not often you hear people proclaiming that they want to suck. |
| 23:49.03 | Qzot | Brings back too many memories of junior high. |
| 23:49.07 | Industrial | I do that 3 times a week at kickboxing class |
| 23:49.10 | Industrial | ;D |
| 23:49.23 | Kirkburn | The appropriate response does depend on what they want to suck, I suppose |
| 23:49.43 | Industrial | I want to suck AT kirk, AT. |
| 23:49.51 | Kirkburn | ooh-err |
| 23:49.58 | Industrial | And no, not towards. |
| 23:50.08 | zenzelezz | suck at Kirk? This is getting close to icky |
| 23:50.12 | Industrial | noes |
| 23:50.13 | Industrial | ack |
| 23:50.16 | Kirkburn | A lolly |
| 23:50.26 | Industrial | you guys are mean :( |
| 23:50.29 | Qzot | "Ack"? Is that a hairball I hear? O.O |
| 23:50.30 | Industrial | you suck! |
| 23:50.31 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 23:50.35 | Industrial | ;D |
| 23:50.44 | Kirkburn | Who was it that downloaded Vista RC1 recently? If you/they don't have a key I can get them one now! |
| 23:50.47 | zenzelezz | this is the intarweb, you knew it was coming :) |
| 23:50.51 | Industrial | ofcource |
| 23:50.52 | Industrial | :D |
| 23:51.05 | Kirkburn | Industrial, the cutest little kitten sucking a lolly |
| 23:52.08 | Industrial | yea. |
| 23:52.19 | Industrial | Chick with Pussy.jpg |
| 23:52.25 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 23:52.38 | Industrial | http://www.backgroundsarchive.com/images/pub/5/5111yslo3zavrp.jpg |
| 23:52.59 | Industrial | sfw Cairenn :p |
| 23:53.18 | Qzot | Industrial: does Spirit of Redemption allow one cast, or multiple casts within the 10 secs? |
| 23:53.21 | Kirkburn | eww, eww, ewww! ;) |
| 23:53.37 | Kirov | multiple afaik |
| 23:53.45 | zenzelezz | Industrial: now that's one hairy pussy |
| 23:54.11 | Kirkburn | Cute chick though |
| 23:54.13 | Industrial | I dont know I suck |
| 23:54.33 | Industrial | but im sure |
| 23:54.45 | Industrial | (now read that wrong :p) |
| 23:54.49 | Kirkburn | Aha, Legorol, MentalPower /poke |
| 23:55.02 | Industrial | *giggle* |
| 23:55.23 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Stylpe (n=a@8.84-48-174.nextgentel.com) |
| 23:58.10 | MentalPower | Qzot: as many heling spell as you can in 10secs |
| 23:58.14 | MentalPower | Kirkburn: huh? |
| 23:58.29 | Kirkburn | Do you need a key for Vista RC1? |
| 23:58.38 | *** join/#wowi-lounge snurre (n=snurre@AVelizy-153-1-16-162.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:58.45 | Kirkburn | I have one now :) |
| 23:58.45 | MentalPower | I have my Beta2 Key, will htat work? |
| 23:58.48 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 23:59.11 | Kirkburn | It's all good then :) |
| 23:59.26 | Kirkburn | I might see about trying it 2moro |
