| 00:00.04 | Kirkburn | The EU forums are now on the new ones! |
| 00:00.28 | Kirkburn | Spanish forums have been added |
| 00:00.58 | Kirkburn | No connection between the US and EU ones though |
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| 00:01.21 | Cairenn | damn, wish there was |
| 00:03.22 | Kirkburn | "There’s a bug that might blank out part of your post after previewing it. We’re hoping to fix this very soon. Please keep a copy of your text if you prefer to preview before posting, in case the text gets cut off." |
| 00:04.56 | Kirkburn | Heh, see the last part of the EU welcome text: http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/10701087.htm |
| 00:05.16 | Osagasu | :< |
| 00:05.32 | Osagasu | I'm getting batchslapped by warriors DWing Thunderfury and Quel'Serrar now. |
| 00:05.33 | Osagasu | *sob* |
| 00:05.51 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 00:06.37 | Cairenn | so ... Kirkburn |
| 00:06.51 | Cairenn | post a thread pointing to my stickies and hope to get it stickied :p |
| 00:07.37 | Kirkburn | Too ... much ... responsibility! |
| 00:07.44 | Cairenn | bah |
| 00:07.48 | Kirkburn | Give me the text you want me to write, and I'll do it :) |
| 00:07.59 | Cairenn | find what Lego had had before :p |
| 00:08.49 | Cairenn | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-en&t=52285&tmp=1#post52285 |
| 00:09.03 | Cairenn | except use the right links :p |
| 00:09.12 | ckknight | one issue with cross-realm battlegrounds is that because there are so many people, you don't really get to know the people you are fighting with (if it's a PUG) |
| 00:09.14 | Kirkburn | lol, yeah |
| 00:10.07 | Kirkburn | Who to post with :O |
| 00:10.19 | Kirkburn | They all look so beautiful! |
| 00:10.22 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 00:11.20 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 00:11.22 | Kirkburn | "You can make '10' new forum topic(s)." ?? |
| 00:12.00 | Iriel | The number decrements as you post |
| 00:12.08 | Iriel | and increments one every 10 minutes, to a limit of 10 |
| 00:12.32 | Kirkburn | Cool |
| 00:13.02 | Kirkburn | Now to get the right links :) |
| 00:13.17 | Cairenn | mod faq: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11381215&sid=1 |
| 00:13.21 | Tain | The minute delay always bugs me on forums. I know why it's there, but I can't help it that I read topics and form posts quickly |
| 00:13.24 | Cairenn | macro faq: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11381238&sid=1 |
| 00:13.33 | Cairenn | author resources: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11381244&sid=1 |
| 00:13.57 | Iriel | Tain: Likewise |
| 00:14.06 | Cairenn | Tain: indeed |
| 00:14.44 | Kirkburn | zomg, whee! http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13151481&postId=131602361&sid=1#0 |
| 00:15.18 | Kirov | lol |
| 00:15.39 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: :) |
| 00:15.48 | Kirkburn | now how can I draw attention to it? :) |
| 00:15.52 | Cairenn | now if you can just convince them to put a stick pin in it |
| 00:15.58 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 00:16.04 | Kirkburn | Biohazard me! |
| 00:16.05 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Wear a short skirt and dance around in front of it |
| 00:16.15 | Cairenn | well, you were supposed to ask them to stick it in the thread :p |
| 00:16.15 | Kirkburn | Already doing, Iriel ;) |
| 00:16.20 | Cairenn | Iriel: lol |
| 00:19.29 | Kirkburn | Okay if I add a wowwiki link to the list, Cairenn? |
| 00:19.53 | Kirkburn | Just the general Interface Customization link |
| 00:20.10 | Cairenn | fine by me |
| 00:21.59 | Kirkburn | Updated :) http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13151481&postId=131602361&sid=1#0 |
| 00:22.11 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 00:22.21 | Kirkburn | ;) |
| 00:23.23 | Kirkburn | Yay you can still 'ignore' yourself |
| 00:23.33 | Kirov | lol |
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| 00:24.21 | AnduinLothar | 'certified cool' |
| 00:24.33 | Kirkburn | Hmm, the 1.12 changes sticky might be a useful link too |
| 00:27.43 | Cairenn | that requires that you actually maintain the thread if it does get stickied, updating it with the new link each time |
| 00:27.52 | Kirkburn | Yeah, can do |
| 00:27.59 | Cairenn | just pointing out ;) |
| 00:28.41 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 00:28.53 | Kirkburn | Damn, I don't get my signature on it :/ |
| 00:28.53 | Iriel | more responsibility Kirkburn - Will you survive? |
| 00:29.22 | Kirkburn | Only with lots of sex, drugs and computer games |
| 00:30.22 | Cairenn | lol, no sex or drugs, huh? |
| 00:30.50 | Kirkburn | uh, er ... look at the purple flying oliphaunt! >_> |
| 00:30.56 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:31.06 | Kirov | where! |
| 00:31.18 | Kirkburn | Dammit, I can't get my blooming sig onto the post |
| 00:31.28 | Kirkburn | I s'pose I could recreate the post |
| 00:32.54 | Kirkburn | Muahahahahahaaaaa: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13151493&postId=131602419&sid=1#0 |
| 00:33.35 | Kirkburn | Hell, if I'm getting a sticky, I'm getting my money's worth :P |
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| 00:35.06 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 00:37.55 | Kirkburn | The wiki is going to get upgraded to 1.7.1 from 1.5.7 soon too |
| 00:39.46 | Kirkburn | In fact, even more awesomely, it'll probably come with this plugin :D http://www.depristo.com/pubwiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| 00:39.56 | Kirkburn | Mouse over the Benediction link! |
| 00:40.23 | AnduinLothar | nice |
| 00:42.29 | Gngsk | awesome |
| 00:42.55 | Cairenn | very cool |
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| 00:44.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 00:44.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | is there like a "text is in" thing for macros and stuff? |
| 00:46.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wonder if it's possible to target the closest enemy, if "totem" is in its name, the next hit of the button will cast a spell on it, and if not, it'll go to the next closest enemy and recheck :O |
| 00:46.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | that might have to be reserved to an addon if even possible at all :o |
| 00:51.28 | Iriel | string.find is what you are looking for |
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| 00:51.43 | Iriel | Whether you can fit all that logic into one macro i'm not sure |
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| 00:56.15 | Health | The built in /target functionallity uses basic whild card search |
| 00:56.25 | Health | so /target totem would select all totems |
| 00:57.03 | Health | Stupid me, missed the logic part |
| 00:57.42 | Kaso | Doesnt it work like /tar Fred would target Fredington but not Sir Fred |
| 00:58.46 | AnduinLothar | Kaso: that was my understanding (excet targetting never takes into account rank) |
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| 01:31.44 | ckknight | basically, /tar Fred will target Fredington, but not Mrfred |
| 01:33.15 | Corrodias | it will target your mom. if her name is fred. |
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| 01:38.25 | ckknight_ | Iriel, hey, green MvP text, neat |
| 01:39.32 | KaoS` | http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9707/beta2mc1.png (photoshop or real) ? |
| 01:40.07 | ckknight_ | looks reasonable. |
| 01:40.18 | Health | Why would it matter? :p |
| 01:40.22 | ckknight_ | like it could easily be real |
| 01:40.26 | ckknight_ | yea, it doesn't matter anyway. |
| 01:40.37 | KaoS` | someone saying they are a alpha tester |
| 01:40.37 | ckknight_ | contemplating its reality will not change the end result |
| 01:41.08 | Health | They have a big "friends and family" beta test just starting |
| 01:41.13 | Health | alpha test even |
| 01:41.40 | ckknight_ | I want in :-P |
| 01:42.01 | KaoS` | well it says beta2? |
| 01:42.04 | KaoS` | maybe its a beta test |
| 01:42.05 | KaoS` | dunno |
| 01:43.46 | Osagasu | Anduin, have you gotten any reports of Archaeologist causing the buff display to glitch? |
| 01:43.48 | AnduinLothar | friends and family alpha? that doesn't sound like blizzard.. |
| 01:44.04 | AnduinLothar | yeah osa, i just haven't had time to look at i |
| 01:44.15 | AnduinLothar | it* |
| 01:44.17 | Osagasu | k |
| 01:44.22 | AnduinLothar | was busy fixing PQ |
| 01:45.55 | Tain | Who Wants to be a Superhero is one of the best shows on television. |
| 01:48.27 | Osagasu | Just making sure you knew. |
| 01:48.38 | AnduinLothar | I was told 2 weeks ago, heh |
| 01:48.51 | Hexarobi | zareka got cut |
| 01:49.06 | AnduinLothar | didn't get to see it in action till today on my roommate's compy |
| 01:49.54 | AnduinLothar | is it only the party frame? |
| 01:50.16 | Osagasu | No. |
| 01:50.21 | Osagasu | I also saw it on the target frame., |
| 01:50.44 | AnduinLothar | wonder what they changed.. |
| 01:50.50 | Osagasu | I haven't paid much attention to the pullout raid frames, so I don't know about them |
| 01:51.11 | AnduinLothar | arch odesn't affect the raid frames |
| 01:52.53 | MentalPower | AnduinLothar: https://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/expansion/ |
| 01:53.07 | AnduinLothar | lol, thx |
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| 01:55.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | over 1/3 of this AV i'm in is hunters |
| 01:55.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | holy crap |
| 01:56.10 | AnduinLothar | zomg, they named the party frame buff texture frames |
| 01:57.16 | AnduinLothar | and added a RefreshBuffs function i see |
| 01:57.32 | AnduinLothar | good, that's needed abstraction for ages |
| 01:58.10 | AnduinLothar | mmm, arch's gonna need substantial changes then |
| 01:59.30 | Iriel | Home time |
| 02:01.49 | MentalPower | AnduinLothar: what does RefreshBuffs() do? |
| 02:02.12 | AnduinLothar | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/detail/11205595/live/31 |
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| 02:02.22 | Tain | http://whoresofwarcraft.com/ has a new teaser video |
| 02:03.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | Only certain individuals are eligible for this Friends and Family Alpha Test. As such, you hereby represent that: (iii) you do not maintain a gaming fan or guild site; |
| 02:03.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ |
| 02:04.14 | AnduinLothar | lol oops |
| 02:04.26 | MentalPower | I guess that rules out Cairenn |
| 02:04.41 | AnduinLothar | I'm not a fan... i'm addicted... does that count? |
| 02:06.08 | AnduinLothar | i hat eth ebuff updating function... It's alreayd supre complicated. and they made it worse |
| 02:06.56 | AnduinLothar | well, maybe not worse |
| 02:06.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | you workin on getting archaeologist updated? |
| 02:07.06 | AnduinLothar | i may actually use their function |
| 02:07.40 | AnduinLothar | cause it allwos you to specify the button |
| 02:09.29 | AnduinLothar | i'll need a RefreshDebuffs function tho |
| 02:10.52 | AnduinLothar | oi |
| 02:11.03 | AnduinLothar | RefreshBuffs onyl does debuffs.. |
| 02:11.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh and AL |
| 02:11.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | thanks for adding alphamap :P |
| 02:11.26 | AnduinLothar | np |
| 02:11.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a lot better than the last version of it i used |
| 02:11.48 | AnduinLothar | yup :) |
| 02:11.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | now i see why you were saying it's better than atlas |
| 02:12.05 | AnduinLothar | you should go grab AtlasLoots, then it's uber |
| 02:12.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | whats that do? |
| 02:12.25 | AnduinLothar | shows the loot that each boss drops |
| 02:12.37 | AnduinLothar | and % chance to drop |
| 02:12.47 | KaoS` | Tain, is going to be a porno or something? :P |
| 02:15.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | is atlasloots based off preconfigured stuff or is it samples from your runs? |
| 02:15.25 | AnduinLothar | preconf |
| 02:15.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | whores of warcraft looks to be hilariously terrible in the spirit of lord of the g-strings :x |
| 02:16.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | or... so i hear |
| 02:16.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | <_< >_> |
| 02:17.47 | Osagasu | If it is(n't) porn, I'm not looking at it. :P |
| 02:20.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/images/portraits/wow-default/0-7-8.gif |
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| 02:35.09 | ckknight_ | any Germans? |
| 02:39.14 | Hexarobi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.06 | Hexarobi | man thatd be a cool chess set for the coffee table: http://cgi.ebay.com/Custom-Made-Chess-Board-Red-Cedar-and-White-Oak_W0QQitemZ180021604320QQihZ008QQcategoryZ2554QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 02:46.32 | AnduinLothar | huge |
| 02:47.52 | AnduinLothar | lol, does clicking ok on the interface options not do anythign for anyone else? |
| 02:49.36 | Cairenn | closes the window for me |
| 02:50.02 | AnduinLothar | lol, it doesn't do anythign for me.. i have to hit cancil or esc.. and for some reason that saves it.. |
| 02:50.48 | Gryphen | works ok for me |
| 02:52.49 | AnduinLothar | heh, now it works |
| 02:53.35 | AnduinLothar | has the target's target always shown debuffs? |
| 02:55.02 | MentalPower | I think thats new |
| 02:55.48 | AnduinLothar | I dont remember seeign that in the patch notes.. |
| 02:56.44 | AnduinLothar | and it now abides by MAX_PARTY_DEBUFFS, SHOW_CASTABLE_BUFFS and SHOW_DISPELLABLE_DEBUFFS apparently |
| 02:57.04 | End | hmm |
| 02:57.10 | End | I can't post to the new forum system |
| 02:57.16 | End | can't select a character |
| 02:57.32 | End | (or...that's what it looks like) |
| 02:59.03 | End | Ahhh, cleared my cookies |
| 03:00.16 | AnduinLothar | but the target's target doesn't have colored borders for its debuffs apparently.. |
| 03:07.19 | AnduinLothar | oh nm |
| 03:07.20 | AnduinLothar | it does |
| 03:34.02 | Shadowed | god |
| 03:34.04 | Shadowed | gothik can go to hell |
| 03:34.14 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 03:34.21 | Shadowed | boss |
| 03:35.01 | Cairenn | ah |
| 03:35.12 | Shadowed | http://www.wowwiki.com/Gothik_the_Harvester |
| 03:39.54 | Nightdew | anyone know of a nice algorythm to predict a monsters time to live .. based on damage and healing done on it? |
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| 03:48.44 | ckknight | Nightdew, check out MobHealth3? |
| 03:51.42 | Nightdew | only has GetUnitHealth basically |
| 03:53.16 | Nightdew | and you shouldnt even need the exact HP that they have |
| 03:53.24 | Nightdew | the percentage should give a good idea already |
| 03:54.04 | Nightdew | i guess just keeping track of data x seconds into the past should work well enough |
| 04:01.06 | ckknight | Nightdew, I mean read the code. |
| 04:13.07 | Kaelten | night guys |
| 04:13.25 | Cairenn | night KaeltenAway |
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| 04:16.32 | slouken | Hey Cairenn. :) |
| 04:17.13 | ckknight | hey slouken |
| 04:17.21 | ckknight | you've come round here pretty often lately |
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| 04:18.57 | Tem|WSG | hey slouken |
| 04:19.08 | Tem|WSG | patch day stress over? |
| 04:19.23 | Tem|WSG | oh! |
| 04:20.50 | ckknight | farewell, brave warrior |
| 04:30.25 | Health | I've been stuck in the AV queue for 18 hours now! heh. Seem to be double queued some way |
| 04:30.26 | Health | Wont even reset on a few hours logged out |
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| 04:44.19 | Cairenn | lalala, quiet night |
| 04:45.14 | Cairenn | night MentalPower|ZZzz, sweet dreams |
| 04:45.27 | MentalPower|ZZzz | thanks Cair |
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| 05:06.08 | Shadowed | s/at/to/ |
| 05:06.27 | Cairenn | methinks purl is sleeping again |
| 05:06.31 | Shadowed | ~kick |
| 05:09.13 | Elessdy | hey guys |
| 05:09.28 | Cairenn | hey Corrodias |
| 05:09.39 | Corrodias | somebody make a lootlink like addon that stores tradeskill productions and their requirements, like enchantments, especially |
| 05:09.49 | Corrodias | i'll give you a cookie if you do. that is all. [away] |
| 05:10.08 | Shadowed | I require two cookies and a glass of milk to do it |
| 05:10.20 | Cairenn | doesn't one of the fizzwidget mods do that already? |
| 05:10.30 | Corrodias | i'll have to check, but i don't recall that function |
| 05:10.31 | Corrodias | back to my party |
| 05:11.15 | Cairenn | hrm, guess not |
| 05:13.58 | Cairenn | Corrodias: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat40.html :p |
| 05:14.12 | Cairenn | surely something or other in there does what you want |
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| 05:24.36 | Cairenn | well guys, I'm gonna go see if I can't manage to do that sleep thing tonight |
| 05:24.48 | Shadowed | night cair |
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| 06:04.43 | zespri | Anyone knows if Telo's stuff has been updated? |
| 06:04.49 | Kirov | yes |
| 06:05.03 | Kirov | he posted it in the old forums, which have since been obliterated |
| 06:05.56 | zespri | nice |
| 06:06.18 | zespri | I wonder if someone managed so salvage a link |
| 06:06.23 | zespri | *to |
| 06:07.48 | zespri | http://www.arkydia.com/wow/AllAddOns-1.12.0.zip |
| 06:07.57 | zespri | google ftw |
| 06:12.41 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 06:12.54 | Shadowed | Do things created inside a scroll pane not follow scale? |
| 06:13.05 | Shadowed | or is it stuff created through CreateFrame that doesn't scale? |
| 06:23.39 | Osagasu | Hellooooo? |
| 06:23.44 | Osagasu | The old forums are still there |
| 06:24.04 | Osagasu | http://12.129.217.203/ |
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| 08:12.06 | ckknight | Cairenn, ping, I uploaded some stuff |
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| 11:35.59 | wereHamster | the new forums are nice, but EU still hasn't a bug report forum.. |
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| 11:36.17 | wereHamster | does blizzard think that all european clients are flawless? |
| 11:37.07 | Mikk | blizzard knows the the european CMs suck ass and that such a forum is pointless :-P |
| 11:41.58 | ckknight_ | what's Excelsior mean? |
| 11:43.22 | Mikk | omfg. gamepressure's quest descriptions > * |
| 11:43.50 | Mikk | http://wow.gamepressure.com/quest.asp?ID=1436 |
| 11:43.58 | Mikk | start npc, mobs to kill, end npc ... everything |
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| 11:54.20 | BLG | OMFGOMFG OOOOMMMMFFFGGGGG WEBSITES THAT PLAY THE GAME FOR YOU!!!!!!!! |
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| 12:12.55 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 12:13.01 | zenzelezz | heya |
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| 12:29.57 | TS|Skrom | another beautiful day :) |
| 12:30.00 | TS|Skrom | how is everyone? |
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| 13:37.52 | TS|Skrom | zomg people seem to be having some connection problems this morning lol |
| 13:40.04 | KaoS` | level 3 routers are going down all over the place |
| 13:41.10 | TS|Skrom | oh noes |
| 13:41.15 | TS|Skrom | someone set us up the bomb! |
| 13:41.25 | TS|Skrom | damn north korea >< |
| 13:41.42 | KaoS` | heh |
| 13:44.44 | TS|Skrom | I never realized how important it is to nil out values you use repeatedly >< |
| 13:44.51 | TS|Skrom | er variables |
| 13:45.17 | TS|Skrom | i.e. variables that you repopulate every time you run a function especially table variables |
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| 13:52.28 | Hexarobi | take off every zig |
| 13:52.56 | TS|Skrom | move zig! |
| 13:53.08 | TS|Skrom | for great justice! |
| 13:53.08 | BLG | For great justice |
| 13:53.10 | TS|Skrom | hah |
| 13:53.37 | TS|Skrom | you know what you doing |
| 13:54.02 | BLG | You know not what you doing |
| 13:54.13 | TS|Skrom | That's generally true |
| 13:54.16 | Thrae | You know people in AV and AB run around saying "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US" after a cap. Hence why Alliance and Horde can't do cross-faction communication. |
| 13:54.22 | BLG | I suspected as much |
| 13:54.31 | TS|Skrom | !! |
| 13:55.06 | BLG | I run around saying "FACES" after a kill |
| 13:55.29 | TS|Skrom | What you say !! |
| 13:55.52 | TS|Skrom | http://www.thehoelkers.com/wowpatches/pics/zerowing.gif |
| 13:55.56 | BLG | I make my time |
| 13:55.56 | TS|Skrom | ccc |
| 13:56.30 | TS|Skrom | er... pay no attention to the wowpatches folder... |
| 13:56.39 | TS|Skrom | it's...er... not what it seems |
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| 14:21.47 | Cairenn | morning cladhaire |
| 14:21.52 | cladhaire | morning Cairenn |
| 14:22.04 | cladhaire | I stayed home "Sick" today so I can leave to go to ottawa sooner.. and i need to get some shit done hehe |
| 14:22.28 | Hexarobi | time to sell the years fur harvest? |
| 14:22.31 | Cairenn | heh |
| 14:23.04 | Cairenn | <== |
| 14:23.20 | cladhaire | =) |
| 14:24.29 | Hexarobi | ur an ottowontonianite |
| 14:24.29 | Hexarobi | ? |
| 14:24.46 | Cairenn | no, I'm a bluenoser who happens to be living in Ottawa |
| 14:24.59 | Kaelten | mornin |
| 14:25.00 | Hexarobi | ya, whatever eskimo |
| 14:25.02 | TS|Skrom | oh well that explains everything |
| 14:25.02 | Hexarobi | =) |
| 14:25.03 | TS|Skrom | >.> |
| 14:25.04 | Hexarobi | mornin |
| 14:25.05 | TS|Skrom | <.< |
| 14:25.06 | Hexarobi | heh |
| 14:25.31 | Hexarobi | do you have snow chains this time of year? |
| 14:25.33 | TS|Skrom | snow? |
| 14:25.33 | Cairenn | Hexarobi: you do realize what a slur that word is, right? |
| 14:25.49 | Hexarobi | snow chains? |
| 14:25.55 | Cairenn | "eskimo" |
| 14:26.03 | Hexarobi | no |
| 14:26.11 | Cairenn | it is |
| 14:26.12 | TS|Skrom | is it a slur if you live in an igloo? |
| 14:26.30 | Hexarobi | what about an eskimo pie? |
| 14:26.55 | Hexarobi | they had eskimos on sesame street |
| 14:26.55 | TS|Skrom | mmmm pie |
| 14:27.03 | Cairenn | the aboriginal peoples of northern canada are the inuit, not eskimos |
| 14:27.13 | Hexarobi | so what does eskimo mean? |
| 14:27.24 | TS|Skrom | eskimo stole mah bike! |
| 14:28.26 | Hexarobi | seen clerks2? |
| 14:28.35 | Cairenn | eskimo was a derogatory racial slur used by the other clans and then picked up by "the white man" |
| 14:28.57 | TS|Skrom | *pssst she's talking about me, I'm white* |
| 14:29.06 | gnorlish | wat do we get to call eskimo pies then |
| 14:29.17 | TS|Skrom | Inuit pies! |
| 14:29.22 | TS|Skrom | what's it matter, it's pie! |
| 14:29.31 | Hexarobi | its not in the racial slur database! |
| 14:29.31 | Cairenn | if you call an Inuit an Eskimo, it'd be the same as calling someone a gook or wap or or or |
| 14:29.43 | Hexarobi | oh i do that all the time |
| 14:29.44 | Hexarobi | ;) |
| 14:30.03 | Cairenn | and since racial slurs piss me off ... |
| 14:30.21 | Hexarobi | The Cree word askimew means "he laces snowshoes," and these linguists believe that may have been the original name the Crees used to refer to their Inuit neighbors. |
| 14:31.06 | Hexarobi | i mean no racial-based ill will towards anyone, but im interested in language and taboo words |
| 14:31.27 | Hexarobi | he laces snowshoes is an insult? |
| 14:32.04 | TS|Skrom | if you say it like: HAHAHAHA HE LACES SNOWSHOES, WHAT A MORON! |
| 14:32.08 | TS|Skrom | then yeah, it is |
| 14:32.20 | Cairenn | most people don't realize how insulting Eskimo is, compared to many other racial slurs, which is why you weren't immediately thrown from channel but instead informed |
| 14:32.44 | gnorlish | perhaps you should enter this into wikipedia |
| 14:33.14 | Cairenn | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=eskimo&x=0&y=0 |
| 14:33.43 | gnorlish | that database seems to make indications towards it still being quite acceptable to call large areas of regional people by that term |
| 14:33.58 | Cairenn | "The claim that Eskimo is offensive is based primarily on a popular but disputed etymology tracing its origin to an Abenaki word meaning “eaters of raw meat.”" |
| 14:34.02 | gnorlish | (wiki that is) |
| 14:34.24 | Mikk | "Most Inuit do not call themselves "Eskimo", and many find the latter term highly offensive. The speakers of the Yupik languages don't usually share this view, and may self-identify as Eskimo." |
| 14:35.06 | Hexarobi | i dont mean your a raw meat eater, i mean you wear laced shoes, and im cool with that |
| 14:35.13 | Cairenn | heh |
| 14:35.26 | Cairenn | anyway |
| 14:35.28 | Hexarobi | hehe ya |
| 14:35.39 | Hexarobi | didnt inuit make the zip drive? |
| 14:35.54 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 14:36.04 | gnorlish | that is quite the accusation |
| 14:36.13 | gnorlish | i think you should keepthoughts like that to yourself |
| 14:37.08 | Hexarobi | the laced shoes one? |
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| 14:37.17 | gnorlish | zip drive inventors |
| 14:37.19 | Cairenn | so there you go, "they" (whoever the hell "they" are) say you should learn something new every day, so now you've learned something new |
| 14:37.37 | Hexarobi | indeed |
| 14:37.40 | TS|Skrom | Yep, I learned that pie is yumm |
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| 15:02.01 | TS|Skrom | is there anyway to just stop an addon from loading halfway through? |
| 15:02.59 | Mikk | error("i don't wanna anymore!") |
| 15:03.11 | TS|Skrom | I mean without any indication.. :) |
| 15:03.23 | TS|Skrom | my healing addon just threw me a wrench |
| 15:03.35 | TS|Skrom | I hadn't setup any scenarios if the person infolved doesn't HAVE healing spells |
| 15:04.00 | Mikk | install a better error handler |
| 15:04.02 | TS|Skrom | in that case the heals table which is reference the rest of the addon stays empty and errors out everything else including making the chat boxes unreadable |
| 15:04.12 | TS|Skrom | can you give me an example? |
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| 15:04.21 | Mikk | ImprovedErrorFrame? =) |
| 15:04.36 | TS|Skrom | oh, i thought you meant a better way to handle the table so that the error didn't come up at all |
| 15:05.08 | TS|Skrom | basically what I'm wanting is some way if the person has my addon loaded adn they aren't a healing class to disable the addon for that character and then stop the rest of the script from running |
| 15:05.11 | Mikk | oh, you can suppress errors in your own code by putting pcall()s in all entry points |
| 15:05.20 | Mikk | ah |
| 15:05.33 | TS|Skrom | I've got the disable part |
| 15:05.38 | TS|Skrom | just not the "stop here" part |
| 15:05.47 | Mikk | well... it's kinda iffy to keep it from loading in the first place |
| 15:06.03 | TS|Skrom | DisableAddOn("string") seems to work |
| 15:06.06 | Mikk | but if you write it as a class (i.e. put all functions in a table), you can just nil out the table in the end if you realize it isn't necessary |
| 15:06.37 | TS|Skrom | hrm.. I see what you mean. |
| 15:06.50 | TS|Skrom | so there's no exit command in lua? |
| 15:07.01 | Mikk | you can abort parsing of a single file yes |
| 15:07.16 | [Ammo] | you can do: if zomgnohealing return end |
| 15:07.28 | [Ammo] | if zomgnohealing then return end |
| 15:07.35 | [Ammo] | somewhere in a file :) |
| 15:07.39 | Mikk | you'll need that check in every file if you have multiple files |
| 15:07.41 | TS|Skrom | hrm. okay I will try that :D |
| 15:07.53 | [Ammo] | imagine every file wrapped in a do ... end |
| 15:07.59 | [Ammo] | so return will break out of that |
| 15:10.05 | Mikk | actually, every file is a function =) |
| 15:10.29 | Mikk | except with a shared scope |
| 15:11.44 | TS|Skrom | <eof> expected near end >< |
| 15:12.56 | TS|Skrom | can you force a reload in your addon? |
| 15:13.13 | TS|Skrom | DisableAddOn("string") followed by a reload would be sufficient |
| 15:14.19 | TS|Skrom | nm, found it |
| 15:16.26 | Kaelten | Cide: you around man? |
| 15:18.43 | JoshBorke | wow, rumors can grow really fast |
| 15:19.00 | TS|Skrom | rumors? |
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| 15:33.16 | TS|Skrom | lol I just said "screw it" and put error("Heal Help loaded for a non healing class. Addon has been disabled, type /console reloadui to reset the interface") |
| 15:33.36 | JoshBorke | that'll do :-) |
| 15:33.50 | TS|Skrom | I thought so too rofl |
| 15:34.08 | JoshBorke | why not disable all your functions (perhaps nil them also) if not a healing class? it'll get GC'd and doesn't require reload |
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| 15:35.31 | TS|Skrom | would i need to put each file in a table for that to work (healhelp = { function 1, function 2 } healhelpdata = {function1, function2}? |
| 15:36.00 | TS|Skrom | if nonheal healhelp=nil? |
| 15:36.25 | JoshBorke | the format I use for my addons is to make a global MyMod = {} then function MyMod.funct(blah,bah) end |
| 15:36.42 | TS|Skrom | does that work well with multiple files? |
| 15:36.59 | JoshBorke | yea, instead of just the MyMod = {} i do: if (not MyMod) then MyMod = {} end |
| 15:37.05 | JoshBorke | and i copy/paste that at the top of every file |
| 15:37.40 | Mikk | if you know the load order you don't even have to do that |
| 15:38.20 | JoshBorke | Mikk: true, but i prefer to be overly cautious, i'm ok with the performance of checking for existence |
| 15:38.52 | TS|Skrom | i always forget that functions are just another type of variable... |
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| 15:39.25 | TS|Skrom | I'm used to considering them as objects or other type of contructs |
| 15:39.37 | TS|Skrom | not something you can put inside a table lol |
| 15:39.39 | Cide | Kaelten: am now |
| 15:40.46 | TS|Skrom | so if I do that, I just need to change the function calls to MyMod.GatherData() for example instead of just GatherData |
| 15:41.03 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 15:42.24 | Mikk | Well, it'd be MyMod_GatherData anyway |
| 15:42.29 | Mikk | so just "_" -> "." :-) |
| 15:43.07 | TS|Skrom | yeah... I always forget to put my own name on the function until I have a conflict >.> |
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| 15:43.11 | TS|Skrom | I'm such a newb sometimes |
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| 15:44.23 | Elkano | mkay... |
| 15:44.37 | TS|Skrom | we had a discussion about that word earlier, was more for other's benifit then yours :) |
| 15:46.32 | Kirkburn | Anyone able to post on the EU forums here? |
| 15:46.52 | Kirkburn | If so, can you please report this for stickying please :) http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13151493&sid=1 |
| 15:47.03 | Kirkburn | I can't report my own threads, obviously |
| 15:47.26 | wereHamster | do you really want me to do that? |
| 15:47.41 | wereHamster | won't I be banned or somethig? |
| 15:47.48 | Kirkburn | Uh, why? |
| 15:48.10 | Kirkburn | It's one of the functions of the report post button :) |
| 15:48.42 | wereHamster | and what should I write as the reason? |
| 15:49.06 | JoshBorke | it's wtf uber |
| 15:49.09 | Kirkburn | Just say something like "This needs stickying please!" ... it was stickied in the old forums |
| 15:49.20 | JoshBorke | i like my reason better... |
| 15:49.21 | Cairenn | actually, no, it wasn't |
| 15:49.28 | Kirkburn | shush :P |
| 15:49.33 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:49.36 | wereHamster | done |
| 15:49.38 | Kirkburn | It *should* have been :) |
| 15:49.42 | Kirkburn | Thanks |
| 15:50.17 | Kirkburn | No stickies have appeared in the forum yet, so I'm guessing they've just not been looking to closely yet |
| 15:51.13 | Thrae | Cairenn: Hey, I had a question for you. What is the reason for requiring admin authentication for each upload to an addon? |
| 15:51.40 | Cairenn | what is to prevent you from uploading something inappropriate if we don't? |
| 15:52.19 | Thrae | So it's to stop people from uploading a viable addon, then adding, say, pornographic images? |
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| 15:52.37 | Cairenn | or whatever, yes |
| 15:52.43 | Kirkburn1 | Dammit, I try writing a response and I get disconnected |
| 15:52.55 | Kirkburn1 | I would've beaten you to it, Cairenn :P |
| 15:53.38 | Kirkburn1 | That assuming you didn't say something like "so I can print off the code and make kitten bedding out of it" |
| 15:54.03 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:55.25 | Thrae | Cairenn: I think you'd be OK if you broadened the scope of addons allowed to be updated without admin approval. Then we could see some type of SVN added. |
| 15:55.51 | Kirkburn1 | What about a system of allowing updates from certain authors? |
| 15:56.09 | Thrae | Only for authors you trust, which probably wouldn't include me. People like Kaelten, ckknight, and others who maintain widely popular addons and who have a good track record. |
| 15:56.14 | Kirkburn1 | Hand-selected people |
| 15:56.16 | Thrae | Kirkburn1: Exactly |
| 15:56.25 | Cairenn | oh, you mean like the FAs? |
| 15:56.28 | Kirkburn1 | Thrae, exactly |
| 15:56.38 | Cairenn | the ones that can already upload without it going through the queue? |
| 15:56.42 | TS|Skrom | Both, Exactly |
| 15:56.48 | Kirkburn1 | Exactly |
| 15:56.55 | TS|Skrom | Cair, roxors |
| 15:56.56 | Kirkburn1 | Um, so yeah, them :P |
| 15:57.05 | Cairenn | so, in other words, the system that is *already in place*? |
| 15:57.06 | Thrae | I thought FA could only be assigned to a catagory, not a single addon? |
| 15:57.07 | TS|Skrom | FA's? Fat asses? |
| 15:57.18 | JoshBorke | Featured Authors :-P |
| 15:57.22 | Cairenn | FA is assigned to "Authors", hence the "A" |
| 15:57.32 | TS|Skrom | ohhhh |
| 15:57.38 | TS|Skrom | ;-) |
| 15:57.39 | Kirkburn1 | (I forgot about that :/ ) |
| 15:58.00 | Thrae | The only FA I know of is Kaelten, how many are there? |
| 15:58.02 | Kirkburn1 | (I'd remember if I was one ;) |
| 15:58.03 | TS|Skrom | It's okay Kirk, we'll just hang you by your toenails til you stop forgetting. |
| 15:58.08 | Cairenn | Thrae: ... |
| 15:58.16 | Thrae | I know ckknight isn't a FA... |
| 15:58.23 | Cairenn | Thrae, go to the site, click on Downloads |
| 15:58.35 | JoshBorke | anything in Featured Projects? |
| 15:58.40 | Cairenn | um, yeah |
| 15:58.52 | Cairenn | more or less (Ace being somewhat different) |
| 15:59.26 | TS|Skrom | Tip: It is better to quest and die, then never to have quested at all. |
| 15:59.35 | TS|Skrom | But you never hear klingons say "It is a good day to quest" |
| 15:59.38 | Kirkburn1 | Why is it that the lists don't sort by last updated? |
| 15:59.40 | TS|Skrom | wtfx |
| 15:59.52 | Cairenn | Kirkburn what lists? |
| 16:00.05 | Kirkburn1 | List of addons ... they always seem to show unsorted |
| 16:00.30 | Kirkburn1 | Then when you click sort, they sort backwards first :P |
| 16:00.32 | Thrae | Cairenn: Where are the FAs in Downloads? |
| 16:00.34 | Cairenn | they show sorted by last updated for me :p |
| 16:00.45 | Cairenn | Thrae: come on, you aren't that dumb, figure it out |
| 16:00.48 | TS|Skrom | hax! |
| 16:00.59 | JoshBorke | hey Cairenn ! that's not fair! i didn't know how to sort the list |
| 16:01.23 | Thrae | Cairenn: I just see "Featured Projects". |
| 16:01.36 | Cairenn | Thrae: gee, do you think perhaps those are the FAs? |
| 16:01.54 | Kirkburn1 | Um ... well it didn't work somewhere I'm sure :/ |
| 16:02.04 | Cairenn | are you guys having fun pretending to be stupid end-users? |
| 16:02.08 | Kirkburn1 | Hmm, maybe it saved it in a cookie |
| 16:02.15 | TS|Skrom | it *IS* a nice switch at times |
| 16:02.35 | Thrae | Cairenn: I didn't think that was the FA catagory because there are so few of them, and no additional ones have been added for a long time. I thought you would have given out more FAs over time. |
| 16:03.07 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219 |
| 16:03.18 | Kirkburn1 | Lookit! A birdle! |
| 16:04.02 | TS|Skrom | mondinga used to play on my EQ server |
| 16:04.56 | Thrae | Cairenn: So what about ckknight? I definately nominate him, he fits all catagories. |
| 16:05.21 | TS|Skrom | pfft who's that iriel chum what's he ever done ;) |
| 16:05.22 | Kirkburn1 | I wants my updated FuBar 2.0 starter pack :P |
| 16:06.51 | Kirkburn1 | I nominate ckknight too. And second it. Can I pass the resolution now? |
| 16:07.14 | TS|Skrom | all in favor? |
| 16:07.19 | TS|Skrom | Pie is good! |
| 16:07.30 | Kirkburn1 | Mmm, pie |
| 16:07.59 | TS|Skrom | I gotta stop forgetting to not close the laptop all the way while I'm working on stuff >< |
| 16:08.29 | Kirkburn1 | What does it do? Standby or hibernate? |
| 16:08.34 | TS|Skrom | hibernate |
| 16:08.47 | Kirkburn1 | Well, better than standby :P |
| 16:08.56 | TS|Skrom | which is what I want, but it kills the net connect |
| 16:09.04 | TS|Skrom | not so good when your trying to save to a shared folder >< |
| 16:09.04 | Kirkburn | ah |
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| 16:09.39 | TS|Skrom | Kael, Y OU LO SE |
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| 16:09.51 | TS|Skrom | >.> |
| 16:09.59 | Kirkburn | <.< |
| 16:10.03 | Thrae | Cairenn: I apologize if my questions were "stupid", I knew about your FA system, but thought that since it was so very, very, very selective, that it had different requirements then panned out in your thread. I believe it to be an honest mistake on my part, I had no idea you were so very selective about who you give this status to. |
| 16:10.04 | TS|Skrom | ^.^ |
| 16:10.57 | TS|Skrom | Thrae, to be honest, when she said stupid end users I think she was talking about the people who couldn't figure out how to sort (like me) |
| 16:11.09 | TS|Skrom | but don't let me put words in her mouth ^.^ |
| 16:11.33 | Thrae | What's the latest TOC version number? |
| 16:11.39 | TS|Skrom | 11200 |
| 16:11.45 | Cairenn | Thrae: you came across as if you were being a smart ass trying to yank my chain (the bunch of ya, honestly), as if you couldn't figure out that FA = those with Featured Projects, as if you couldn't figure out how to sort, etc :p |
| 16:11.50 | TS|Skrom | since kirk taught me how it works ^>^ |
| 16:12.15 | TS|Skrom | I still can't figure it out so I gave up :-( |
| 16:12.31 | TS|Skrom | do I have to log in or something? |
| 16:12.43 | Kirkburn | I was being honest - it really did show unsorted for me, I'm sure of it ... Must be gremlins :) |
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| 16:13.02 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: that's bizarre, because the default is sorted by last updated |
| 16:13.08 | Thrae | I'm always being honest unless I use an emoticon. |
| 16:13.22 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: if, however, you had sorted by name previously, that'd do it |
| 16:13.23 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, how does that work for the subcategories of things like Ace, which is featured? |
| 16:13.25 | TS|Skrom | it's alpha for me |
| 16:13.41 | Kirkburn | Ah, I had probably done that and forgotten about it |
| 16:14.01 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: as I said, it's different for ace - anyone can upload to the category but unless they have FA status it goes to the queue |
| 16:14.09 | Kirkburn | I see, thanks :) |
| 16:14.12 | Cairenn | anyone with FA bypasses the queue |
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| 16:14.22 | [RTE] | hewo |
| 16:14.28 | Cairenn | hi Rte |
| 16:14.56 | [RTE] | This is one quite patch |
| 16:15.01 | [RTE] | strange even |
| 16:15.24 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 16:16.08 | [RTE] | probably because all the kiddies are off to x-realm BGs :) |
| 16:16.29 | Thrae | Cairenn: I was honestly thinking of suggesting a different system, but now it sounds like you're not open to suggestions... |
| 16:16.30 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 16:16.52 | Thrae | In fact, with all of what we talked about, I forgot half of my suggestion |
| 16:16.52 | Kirkburn | I'd suggest it's a good convo to move to PMs? |
| 16:16.54 | Cairenn | Thrae: what makes you think that? we're always open to suggestions |
| 16:17.38 | Cairenn | if we weren't open to suggestions we wouldn't have a suggestion forum :p |
| 16:18.13 | Thrae | Maybe it's the hunger talking, but I feel emotionally drained. I've rarely seen you so upset. |
| 16:18.26 | Thrae | I was very surprised. |
| 16:18.34 | Cairenn | I'm not upset! I'm laughing over here |
| 16:18.49 | jaeger | heyo, all |
| 16:19.06 | Cairenn | hi jaeger |
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| 16:19.38 | Kirkburn | Hello, North American name for the smaller species of the skua family of seabirds. |
| 16:19.49 | jaeger | trying to make a config ui for the first time, dropdowns are frustrating me :/ |
| 16:20.26 | jaeger | Kirkburn: you win the nerd trivia award for today :) |
| 16:20.54 | Kirkburn | =) More like the "who can type jaeger into wikipeda fastest award... |
| 16:20.57 | jaeger | heh |
| 16:20.59 | jaeger | fair enough |
| 16:21.27 | Thrae | Well, I couldn't tell that from your responses...I put you as a person who usually uses emoticons when they're not being 100% serious... |
| 16:21.42 | Kirkburn | Ah, I remember what I expected to find .. Ja"germeister |
| 16:22.05 | jaeger | that's usually the first response... which has nothing to do with why I picked my nick |
| 16:22.26 | Kirkburn | Thrae, :) ;) 8-) :P :O \o/ >_> ^_^ :-X |
| 16:22.32 | TS|Skrom | i fucking hate when work people call me from home to troubleshoot why they can't get online or some crap >< |
| 16:22.33 | TS|Skrom | GAH |
| 16:22.46 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Now THAT is obviously not serious ;) |
| 16:22.57 | Kirkburn | =P |
| 16:23.09 | Kirkburn | jaeger, how are you approaching it? |
| 16:23.27 | jaeger | never even had Jgermeister, for what it's worth :) I picked the nick originall as Schattenjger (which isn't really correct but looked cool) |
| 16:23.31 | jaeger | and then shortened it |
| 16:23.42 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 16:23.52 | TS|Skrom | GRRRRR |
| 16:23.58 | Kirkburn | Alternatively, you are a clothing retailer in the West End and Knightsbridge, with branches throughout the UK. |
| 16:24.15 | Kirkburn | Anyways, what's up with your dropdowns? |
| 16:24.31 | TS|Skrom | I am *NOT* your linksys tech support, not your ISP's if you want to configure your home internet do it on your own time and call people who get paid to help you with those problems. |
| 16:24.33 | jaeger | Kirkburn: I've created a frame that inherits UIDropDownMenuTemplate (from memory) and populated it with 6 selections - I'm using one function for all the items - the odd bit is that it gets run 6 times when the frame is shown, but not at all when I click |
| 16:24.49 | jaeger | Kirkburn: I took a picture of that place last time I was in London |
| 16:24.52 | Kirkburn | TS|Skrom, had they not plugged themselves in? |
| 16:25.13 | TS|Skrom | I don't know, I don't care >< |
| 16:25.17 | Thrae | TS|Skrom: If they are using a Linksys v5 model, tell them to buy a different router. The v5 model is notoriously buggy. |
| 16:25.32 | TS|Skrom | I gave them some bullshit and get them off the phone >< |
| 16:25.37 | Kirkburn | jaeger, I don't think I could answer your question .. um ... sounds odd |
| 16:25.48 | Thrae | Ahh you must have too many TS years under your belt ;) |
| 16:26.10 | TS|Skrom | lol I did TS for an isp for a while |
| 16:26.15 | TS|Skrom | doing those very types of installs |
| 16:26.16 | Thrae | My co-workers always wondered why I tried to help people outside of my basic responsibilities, heh. |
| 16:26.28 | Thrae | Even after 4 years of TS |
| 16:26.44 | jaeger | Kirkburn: it's very odd; I've compared my code to that of the dropdown in combatstats and can't see where I've gone wrong |
| 16:26.52 | TS|Skrom | oh I have no problem going the extra mile, but some of the times these people can push my limits of retardation |
| 16:27.15 | Kirkburn | Best I can suggest it look at yet another addon - is there anything on the wowwiki? |
| 16:27.16 | Thrae | jaeger: Have you ever taken a look at the Dewdrop library for a dropdown replacement? |
| 16:27.27 | jaeger | Thrae: first I've heard of it, I'll check it out |
| 16:27.32 | Kirkburn | Thrae's suggestion is also a very good one |
| 16:27.58 | TS|Skrom | and believe me, I have a very high retardation threshold |
| 16:28.00 | Thrae | Dewdrop is made by ckknight, he is VERY frequent on #wowace and pretty frequent here, no problem getting help with it. |
| 16:28.05 | jaeger | Kirkburn: nothing I've seen on wowwiki for dropdowns except a tutorial that says "dropdowns are beyond the scope of this tutorial" :) googling turns up a few but they're very limited |
| 16:28.14 | TS|Skrom | when you ask someone to read to you what's on the screen most people go top to bottom, left to right, correct? |
| 16:28.17 | Kirkburn | lol, try Dewdrop then :) |
| 16:28.19 | TS|Skrom | type ipconfig, hit enter |
| 16:28.21 | TS|Skrom | read what's there |
| 16:28.28 | TS|Skrom | IP address |
| 16:28.31 | TS|Skrom | subnet mask |
| 16:28.35 | TS|Skrom | default gateway |
| 16:28.42 | TS|Skrom | Me:... and.... what do they say.... |
| 16:28.43 | TS|Skrom | huh? |
| 16:29.13 | TS|Skrom | okay I'm done, I've vented my poison for the day |
| 16:29.19 | TS|Skrom | unless he calls back.... |
| 16:29.32 | Thrae | TS|Skrom: What's the worst user you've had? I wonder if you can top mine... |
| 16:29.42 | TS|Skrom | Well... |
| 16:29.48 | Thrae | Not the most violent or biligerant |
| 16:29.55 | TS|Skrom | was an install call for the isp. We had to do hardware install on the network card.. |
| 16:30.00 | Thrae | Those are more common then the worst, clueless one |
| 16:30.02 | TS|Skrom | What's a screwdriver was asked. |
| 16:30.09 | Kirkburn | belligerent :P |
| 16:30.14 | jaeger | Thrae: have a link handy for dewdrop? |
| 16:30.19 | TS|Skrom | She was definately high as a kite |
| 16:30.40 | TS|Skrom | I had to explain what a screwdriver was... three times |
| 16:31.40 | TS|Skrom | but that was more comical then "worst" |
| 16:31.40 | Thrae | jaeger: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4891 |
| 16:31.40 | jaeger | Thrae: thank you |
| 16:31.51 | Thrae | TS|Skrom: I can easily top that |
| 16:32.03 | TS|Skrom | another great one was another nic install. I specifically told her to stay away from the screws near the fan and only loosen the ones near the edge of the case (3-4 total). About 5 minutes later I hear a *crash* "uh oh" |
| 16:32.11 | TS|Skrom | she had dropped out the power supply into the pc |
| 16:32.17 | jaeger | hrmm, very cool... but I still want to figure out what I did wrong with my dropdown, heh. thanks for the link, will save that for next time |
| 16:32.31 | Thrae | jaeger: The API is VERY well documented |
| 16:32.44 | Thrae | Because it's an embedded lib, you save resources by using it |
| 16:32.53 | TS|Skrom | doesn't help for people like me who can't read :'( |
| 16:33.20 | Thrae | If you can't read, how did you learn Lua in the first place? Randomly type characters until it works? |
| 16:33.25 | TS|Skrom | who said that? |
| 16:33.29 | TS|Skrom | lol ;) |
| 16:33.38 | jaeger | well, it does look very nice... but it bothers me when something I write doesn't work properly so I'd still like to solve that, if that makes sense |
| 16:33.47 | Thrae | jaeger: Yeah I hear ya. |
| 16:34.25 | Thrae | TS|Skrom: I once had a user call me about a piece of software, they were not high, they were 100% serious...they didn't know a computer was required. |
| 16:34.33 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 16:34.41 | TS|Skrom | nice |
| 16:34.43 | Thrae | They bought some educational software, and did not know they needed a computer. |
| 16:34.49 | Thrae | They didn't really know what a computer WAS. |
| 16:34.54 | jaeger | I have the feeling it's something wrong with my XML but I can't see what yet |
| 16:34.55 | Thrae | That's hard to top ;) |
| 16:35.04 | TS|Skrom | I was mainly isp support so it was always fun to see how many customers you could get to disconnect themselves |
| 16:35.23 | Thrae | Heh, yeah, I worked ISP for 6 months |
| 16:36.36 | Thrae | Not only did I work with an ISP, the ISP I worked at mostly serviced SENIORS |
| 16:37.15 | TS|Skrom | lol |
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| 16:38.36 | TS|Skrom | http://www.suburbantribe.net/showArchive.asp?archive=20041203 |
| 16:40.19 | cogwheel | Hey kirkburn, started using FF yet? Those new forums are nasty on IE7, huh? |
| 16:40.34 | Gryphen | ff sux, ill live with the nastyness |
| 16:40.44 | Gryphen | :) |
| 16:40.52 | Kirkburn | I can cope :) As long as I avoid the list page for now |
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| 16:41.56 | Kirkburn | I'm hoping that either, Blizz sort their act out, or MS make more improvements to IE7 :) |
| 16:42.57 | Kirkburn | Lol, almost had the new wowwiki front page go up with the wrong forum links :/ |
| 16:42.59 | Gryphen | thats a ripe statement hehe |
| 16:43.41 | Kirkburn | Making wide-ranging "IF IE" comments is silly now, they should at least qualify it with version numbers |
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| 16:45.24 | DoomGaze3 | why worry about IE anymore? why not just use firefox? |
| 16:45.55 | Kirkburn | Because I like IE more, put simply |
| 16:46.06 | cogwheel | speaking of FF... just installed a plugin and am using chatzilla... brb |
| 16:46.17 | Beladona | damnit |
| 16:46.22 | Beladona | I missed the chain yanking |
| 16:46.31 | Beladona | how come I always miss the fun stuff? |
| 16:46.48 | Thrae | Beladona: Do you have the resources to get GlobalStrings.lua from other locales? |
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| 16:47.06 | Beladona | uhh, no |
| 16:47.16 | Beladona | if I did, it would be nice |
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| 16:48.04 | Beladona | why, you volunteering to collect them for me? |
| 16:48.25 | Thrae | I wish I could |
| 16:48.42 | Beladona | I think it would require users sending me their GlobalStrings |
| 16:48.58 | Beladona | it WOULD be nice to have a section on wdn, with localizations |
| 16:49.09 | Beladona | make it easier to localize mods I bet |
| 16:50.07 | Thrae | Exactly, I'm in that position now with helping out with a combat log parser library. There's a lot of malformed patterns in GlobalStrings.lua on other locales. |
| 16:51.03 | Beladona | I think I need to go home early today |
| 16:51.07 | Beladona | my wow sense is tingling |
| 16:51.45 | cogwheel | I played hooky yesterday... |
| 17:02.12 | jaeger | I make baby jesus cry |
| 17:02.20 | jaeger | solved my dropdown problem, it was a STUPID typo |
| 17:02.27 | Shadowed | that's always fun |
| 17:02.49 | jaeger | from this: func = OutputDestinationDropDown_OnClick(); |
| 17:02.57 | jaeger | to this: func = OutputDestinationDropDown_OnClick; |
| 17:03.08 | jaeger | man, I feel dumb, should have spotted that ages ago |
| 17:03.19 | Shadowed | always the most obvious things we sometimes miss! |
| 17:03.33 | jaeger | yeah, true |
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| 17:21.36 | Kaso | what's the logs site, purl suggests http://ibot.rikers.org/wowi-lounge/ but i have no luck |
| 17:22.14 | Kirov | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowi-lounge/ |
| 17:22.25 | Kaso | oh |
| 17:22.28 | Kaso | need the # |
| 17:22.49 | Kaso | thanks |
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| 17:27.17 | Kirkburn1 | Van Damme rocking away :P http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8361608883834307691&q=van+damme (NSFW language) |
| 17:31.47 | cogwheel | tain, you around? |
| 17:42.51 | Tain | Now I am. |
| 17:43.25 | JoshBorke | Cide: ping |
| 17:43.28 | cogwheel | Mind laying a bit of smack down on my " Give me credit " whiner? ;) |
| 17:43.39 | Tain | haha |
| 17:45.25 | Kaso | what's that uni-code to escape code converter again |
| 17:46.29 | Cide | JoshBorke: pong? |
| 17:47.05 | JoshBorke | CTRA2, are you going to be using the built in StaticPopup or creating your own again for ready checks and the like? or is that functionality just out? |
| 17:47.42 | Kirov | Ready checks should probably just use the blizzard window |
| 17:47.52 | Kirov | but extended to be usable by assistants |
| 17:47.53 | Cide | using blizzard's ready check now |
| 17:48.20 | Cide | not usable by assistants yet, but if blizzard doesn't fix that shit I guess I wil |
| 17:48.23 | Cide | will |
| 17:48.24 | JoshBorke | hrm, i'd like to see CTRA feature an arbitrary question option. ie, 'who has been here before'? |
| 17:48.27 | Cide | don't really know of any other popup that I'd have to add |
| 17:48.34 | Cide | hm? |
| 17:48.50 | Cide | that's kind of like /ravote but I guess you'd have to specify the answers |
| 17:48.54 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 17:48.56 | jaeger | a poll would work for that, wouldn't it? |
| 17:49.01 | jaeger | been here before? yes/no |
| 17:49.15 | jaeger | or does it not tell you who voted what? |
| 17:49.23 | Cide | it doesn't, no |
| 17:49.30 | jaeger | ok, nm =) |
| 17:49.34 | Cide | I'll probably add my own dialog box |
| 17:49.43 | JoshBorke | why not use StaticPopup? |
| 17:49.44 | Cide | could have the answers pop up as a dialog list |
| 17:49.47 | Cide | because it's ugly |
| 17:50.09 | Kirov | my biggest beef with static-popups are the fact they appear starting at the top of the screen. |
| 17:50.16 | Kirov | It makes sense for what blizzard uses them for |
| 17:50.24 | Kirov | but for a lot of things you want them in the middle of the screen. |
| 17:50.30 | Cide | yep |
| 17:51.40 | Tain | I'd like for CT_RA to make me meatballs. |
| 17:52.11 | Hexarobi | theres a fubar plugin that makes bean cubes |
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| 17:52.37 | Tain | I demand meat. |
| 17:52.50 | Neronix | unfortunately for you, I just eat a ton of it :< |
| 17:53.39 | Kirov | odd |
| 17:53.51 | Kirov | you can't adjust the # of shown posts anymore |
| 17:55.11 | Neronix | Got a randomish question. Is it possible to do something like SetPoint a texture to a specific line of a ScrollingMessageFrame? |
| 17:55.37 | Kirov | not really, no |
| 17:56.44 | JoshBorke | you'd have to guestimate, wouldn't you? |
| 17:56.55 | Kirov | yeah |
| 17:57.17 | JoshBorke | based on text height and frame height, no? |
| 17:57.49 | Kirkburn1 | Ach, we have our vandal back :/ |
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| 17:58.25 | Neronix | Hmm... attempting to do that sort of stuff would be more of a pita than it's worth |
| 17:58.46 | JoshBorke | yep |
| 17:58.53 | JoshBorke | simulating a message frame is WAY cooler anyway |
| 17:59.10 | Neronix | Which also looks like a pita |
| 18:00.55 | Thrae | Neronix: Shouldn't be too hard to calculate the position using FontHeight and :GetNumLinesDisplayed() |
| 18:01.48 | Tem | well, that was a fun experience... |
| 18:01.55 | Tem | I just met Nurfed on the battlefield |
| 18:02.00 | Kirkburn1 | Need an admin on the wowwiki, stat! |
| 18:02.16 | Thrae | Nurfed, as in the author of Nurfed? |
| 18:02.49 | Tem | Nurfed as in one of most well known horde pvp groups |
| 18:02.56 | Tem | 20 to 2000 is a good score, right? |
| 18:03.07 | Thrae | Not on Maelstrom... |
| 18:03.34 | Neronix | Thrae: But having the texture fade when text fades, keep it next to its designated line, etc. is the real problem |
| 18:04.06 | Thrae | Neronix: Yeah that would be a PITA, easier to make your own psuedo frame |
| 18:04.54 | Neronix | Or just add to Grayhoof's code :P |
| 18:05.53 | Kirkburn1 | Seriously NEED an admin on the wiki :/ |
| 18:10.58 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 18:13.22 | Kirkburn1 | Give me an admin! I need an admin :() |
| 18:14.03 | Kirkburn1 | Oh, what fun, he's moving my pages around now |
| 18:14.19 | Kirov | > |
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| 18:15.10 | Kirkburn1 | I'm just trying to prevent him from bringing others into it |
| 18:17.26 | Kirkburn1 | The idiot seems to think moving pages many times makes it harder for us :/ |
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| 18:26.44 | Gryphen | who is it kirk? |
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| 18:26.56 | Kirkburn1 | An impersonator of fandyllic again |
| 18:27.04 | Kirkburn1 | I seriously need the real one to return and sort this out |
| 18:27.09 | jaxdahl | :( |
| 18:27.11 | Kirkburn1 | He's messing with other people's talk pages |
| 18:27.13 | jaxdahl | yea |
| 18:27.19 | Kirkburn1 | Like yours :/ |
| 18:27.19 | jaxdahl | <-- one of them |
| 18:27.34 | Kirkburn1 | Forgot you were here :P |
| 18:27.41 | jaxdahl | i just logged in |
| 18:27.49 | Kirkburn1 | oh yeah |
| 18:27.50 | Kirkburn1 | :) |
| 18:27.57 | jaxdahl | to complain about him |
| 18:28.01 | Kirkburn1 | lol |
| 18:28.11 | Kirkburn1 | The wiki needs more admins, it really does |
| 18:28.58 | Kirkburn1 | He seems obsessed with moving just one page |
| 18:29.07 | jaxdahl | been working on my realm's progression/guild links |
| 18:29.09 | Kirkburn1 | If it makes him happy, I suppose :/ |
| 18:31.45 | Kirkburn1 | oh ffs |
| 18:33.59 | jaxdahl | now he's messing with the other guy who's working with me on editing kelthuzad pages |
| 18:34.12 | Kirkburn1 | It's sad, it really is |
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| 18:37.25 | jaxdahl | how many admins are theree? |
| 18:37.25 | Kirkburn1 | What's the cosmos channel? |
| 18:37.44 | Gryphen | irc.datavertex.com/cosmostesters |
| 18:37.46 | Kirkburn1 | DF Schmidt, who's away, it seems, Fandyllic, and AlexanderYoshi, who's a cosmos guy |
| 18:38.12 | jaxdahl | any idea how to make this page shorter? |
| 18:38.13 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowwiki.com/KT_Rare_Crafting |
| 18:38.21 | jaxdahl | and what would a proper link be? |
| 18:38.29 | jaxdahl | that is the page Syzgyn is working on |
| 18:38.50 | jaxdahl | needs to refer to the realm kel'thuzad |
| 18:38.53 | jaxdahl | not just 'KT' |
| 18:38.59 | Mikk | yes |
| 18:39.07 | Mikk | "Kel'Thuzad Rare Crafting" |
| 18:39.29 | Mikk | err |
| 18:39.31 | Mikk | no capital R, no capital C |
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| 18:40.28 | Kirkburn | Pretend that didn't happen, and I didn't accidentely DC myself :P |
| 18:41.34 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 18:42.09 | Mikk | and AlexanderYoshi basically doesn't do much adminning. he can be scared into action if there's a crisis by people with his contact details but other than that he doesn't really do much on the wiki these days |
| 18:42.26 | Kirkburn | We need you as an admin, basically |
| 18:43.09 | jaxdahl | established users should be able to supress vandals |
| 18:43.20 | jaxdahl | then an admin can review it and make the ban permanent |
| 18:43.34 | Kirkburn | if only |
| 18:43.38 | Mikk | or just have more admins |
| 18:44.24 | Kirkburn | Uh, how did he know to go to AlexanderYoshi's page? :/ |
| 18:44.50 | Gryphen | admins page |
| 18:45.03 | Kirkburn | I guess Schmidt will be next :/ |
| 18:45.40 | Kirkburn | Rustak (owner) was around earlier today - this could've spurred him into action :P |
| 18:45.45 | Mikk | the only real problem with admins is that even though you could have a guy trusted to not abuse admin powers, you sometimes might not want him be an admin just because of the extra weight given to what admins say in the eyes of the rest of the contributors |
| 18:45.55 | Tain | Of course whoever's doing it may very well be in the channel right now getting off on the responses. |
| 18:46.01 | Mikk | let him :-P |
| 18:46.16 | Mikk | he'll eat an IP ban, let him laugh now :-P |
| 18:47.07 | Mikk | What I find most amazing is the time and effort people will pour into pointless crap like that |
| 18:47.28 | Tain | They do it to get a reaction. |
| 18:47.41 | Mikk | I don't think I was ever quite that 14 :-P |
| 18:47.43 | Tain | Someone didn't get enough hugs from mommie. |
| 18:48.18 | Neronix`out | How can I see the IP of a registered wiki user? |
| 18:48.25 | Tain | It's a cry for attention combined with a crippling low self-esteem. |
| 18:48.25 | Mikk | Neronix`out: you can't |
| 18:48.31 | Mikk | Unless you're an admin |
| 18:48.36 | Thrae | Which is more expensive, t["Foo" .. Bar] every tic or t["Foo"] |
| 18:48.41 | Kirkburn | I've already had to calm 3 users down cause of his idiocy :/ |
| 18:48.44 | Thrae | Which is more expensive, t["Foo" .. Bar] every tic or t["Foo"][Bar] |
| 18:48.57 | Neronix`out | If I had it, I could have used this mIRC script's (Yeah, I know...) IP-to-nick tool |
| 18:49.08 | Mikk | Thrae: t["Foo"][Bar] is cheaper |
| 18:49.11 | Tain | I believe the string concat is more expensive |
| 18:49.29 | Mikk | unless you're creating an insane amount of subtables, in which case RAM becomes an concern, but you knew that |
| 18:49.31 | Neronix`out | I third that |
| 18:49.59 | Thrae | Thought so, I had some class-specific options, I'll make them a table instead of mutliple OptionNameCLASS booleans where I need to do a string concat |
| 18:50.19 | Mikk | String concats create new string objects |
| 18:50.23 | Mikk | So no they're not that cheap |
| 18:50.50 | Thrae | Just as well, I forgot HUNTER ;) |
| 18:53.21 | Tain | Wow I got Natur to throttle back his OnUpdates some in Enemy Cast Bar. |
| 18:53.52 | Thrae | Enemy Cast Bar used to give me bad, bad mem. leaks, how is it now? |
| 18:53.54 | Tain | Instead of running things every single onupdate. |
| 18:54.12 | Tain | It still needs a lot of optimization, but he said he has no interest in doing so. |
| 18:54.18 | Thrae | AceTimer + HostelBar is goood. |
| 18:54.19 | Thrae | Bah. |
| 18:54.21 | Tain | I still won't run it. |
| 18:54.30 | Tain | Yeah the problem is a bunch of my guild runs it. |
| 18:54.35 | Tain | And keep telling others to get it. |
| 18:54.54 | Thrae | Tain: You seem like the type of person who'd run WoW through a text-only terminal if that was possible ;) |
| 18:55.14 | Thrae | Tell them to get HostelBar, it's on WoWI |
| 18:55.19 | [RTE] | quick question guys |
| 18:55.23 | Tain | I was about to tell them to try Hostel but the last post I saw was that he was going to rewrite it all, but that he's also not even playing woW anymore. |
| 18:55.28 | Tain | So I'm hesitant. |
| 18:55.37 | Tain | But I'll try HostelBar anyway. |
| 18:55.38 | [RTE] | if I have <Script file="blah.lua"> in xml file |
| 18:55.52 | Thrae | Tain: Well the current version is working well for me. |
| 18:56.03 | [RTE] | will it be loaded exactelly at the time compiler comes accross this line or later on? |
| 18:56.15 | Kirkburn | Hour and a half he's wasted now :/ |
| 18:56.23 | Kirov | RTE - at the time it comes across the line |
| 18:56.26 | Tain | I believe it loads immediately upon reading that line. |
| 18:56.44 | [RTE] | Kirov - thanks, at work so can't test :) |
| 18:57.11 | Tain | I wouldn't play woW in a text only mode, there's plenty of MUDs out there for that. :) |
| 18:57.21 | Tain | But I would play without the mouse if I could. |
| 18:57.42 | Tain | I used to play EQ without ever having to use the mouse except to pick out a specific target in a group. |
| 18:58.19 | Thrae | I'm the opposite, I barely use anything other then the house. |
| 18:58.24 | Thrae | s/house/mouse/ |
| 19:03.07 | Mikk | too slow :-P |
| 19:03.29 | Mikk | i have ctrl,shift,alt + everything on the left hand of the keyboard bound to stuff |
| 19:03.44 | JoshBorke | i should make ctrl my meta key... |
| 19:04.00 | Mikk | gets a little bit confusing sometimes when i've just swapped char but ... it comes back. like riding a bike =) |
| 19:04.44 | Mikk | and besides there is already a text wow :-P |
| 19:04.59 | Mikk | it's just a little thin on content :-) |
| 19:13.24 | jaxdahl | well Mikk, what if you took on a psuedonym for your admin user? |
| 19:13.39 | jaxdahl | then you can keep using Mikk as your regular wiki user |
| 19:13.53 | Tain | There's plenty of text based MUDS and MUSHes out there. Chock full of content. :) |
| 19:15.25 | Kirkburn | Looks like the guy has given up finally |
| 19:17.29 | Cide | new boss emote is CHAT_MSG_BOSS_EMOTE, right? |
| 19:18.57 | Cide | err, CHAT_MSG_RAID_BOSS_EMOTE |
| 19:21.31 | Mikk | PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED: "Immediate calls to API functions that query target information such as name, level, faction, et cetera may return nil until the server catches up with the new player target." |
| 19:21.33 | Mikk | ^ bullshit? |
| 19:21.56 | Mikk | I mean... FrameXML queries this right in the event handler, and never otherwise |
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| 19:25.34 | TS|Skrom | Mikk I'm the same way, ctrl/shift/alt 1-5, 5 button mouse with 3,4,5 all mapped to at least 2 different spells each, sometimes more. Mouse clicking is slow :D |
| 19:26.00 | TS|Skrom | and when I do need to click i have dab setup to put my buttons in places where I can easily get to them since I usually hover the mouse near my character |
| 19:26.26 | zenzelezz | there's something intimidating about a mob called "Death Lord" |
| 19:26.35 | TS|Skrom | ^.^ |
| 19:28.16 | jaxdahl | i use ctrl/shift/none ` to = |
| 19:28.17 | TS|Skrom | wtfux I put in 50 hour weeks almost every week and my boss just asked me "did you clock in and out when you went to lunch?" (I took an extra hour because my brother came to see me) |
| 19:28.39 | Thrae | Fuzzy Love Bunny hits you 3452 damage. (crushing) || Fuzzy Love Bunny crits you for 12562 damage. || You die. |
| 19:28.51 | TS|Skrom | not quite the same thrae |
| 19:28.55 | Mikk | TS|Skrom: Toldya. Nothing good comes out of putting in lots over overtime, other than lack of time to IRC and WoW :-P |
| 19:29.06 | TS|Skrom | I do both at work so no biggy |
| 19:29.42 | TS|Skrom | well not wow so much |
| 19:29.50 | Cide | Mikk: probably means "targettarget", but that has been true forever... |
| 19:29.55 | TS|Skrom | just on days when I don't have anything else to do :D |
| 19:29.58 | Tain | The more you put in extra hours the more it becomes an expectation. |
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| 19:30.21 | TS|Skrom | well at least I can expect a healthy paycheck :p |
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| 19:30.47 | Tain | What you should do is manage expectations. Get them to be happy when you actually put in 40 hours. |
| 19:30.54 | TS|Skrom | it's just the idea... "no I didn't clock out for lunch, oh and I didn't charge you for the 3 hours I did at home on monday either" |
| 19:31.21 | Tain | That's the problem, you put in hours like that and its your own fault. |
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| 19:31.42 | TS|Skrom | yeah well, my real problem is I generally genuinly enjoy what I do |
| 19:31.51 | Tain | Of course I'm salaried so it doesn't matter how much extra I put in. |
| 19:31.54 | TS|Skrom | and I get myself involved in certain projects and I don't want to quit til I'm done |
| 19:31.59 | TS|Skrom | so I don't |
| 19:32.18 | Tain | That's another problem! Having pride in doing a good job at work gets you nowhere. |
| 19:32.20 | TS|Skrom | some weeks I pull 35 hours just because there's nothing extra to do and I get here late >< |
| 19:32.42 | TS|Skrom | hehe yeah I see that as a real problem :p |
| 19:33.05 | Tain | It's just a way for your employer to take advantage of you. |
| 19:33.23 | Tain | Fight the power! |
| 19:33.46 | TS|Skrom | it's not the machine you rage against, but merely yourself young grasshopper |
| 19:34.11 | Tain | The only way to succeed and get ahead is to do a mediocre to poor job. |
| 19:34.32 | Tain | Otherwise you just become too valuable and never get anywhere. |
| 19:35.08 | TS|Skrom | You've watched office space one too many times my man |
| 19:37.27 | Tain | Nah, I've been working for a living for too long. :) |
| 19:37.40 | Iriel | Tain: Are you thinking of being a motivational speaker as a second job? |
| 19:38.10 | TS|Skrom | BECAUSE YOU COULD LIVE IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER |
| 19:38.12 | Tain | I'd be a great motivational speaker. It's just what you'd be motivated to do that's the question. |
| 19:41.23 | Thrae | What's an easy way to tell whether I'm in a battleground instance? |
| 19:43.30 | Tain | haha a Penny Arcade video game! http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/25/penny-arcade-presents-penny-arcade-game-starring-penny-arcade/ |
| 19:46.04 | [RTE] | Thrae: GetBattlefieldScore(index) or something like it |
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| 19:58.44 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 19:59.12 | Kaso | Cide |
| 19:59.19 | Cide | Kaso |
| 19:59.23 | TS|Skrom | http://www.boners.com/content/383749.1.jpg -- XD |
| 19:59.25 | Kaso | %T in /rs doesnt work |
| 19:59.29 | Cide | it does next update |
| 19:59.32 | Kaso | thanks :> |
| 20:00.10 | Kaso | i assume thats cos addon messages doesnt do %t parsing |
| 20:00.22 | Cide | yes |
| 20:00.24 | JoshBorke | CTRA2 is still in alpha, yes? |
| 20:00.50 | Cide | pre-alpha, but yeah :) |
| 20:01.00 | JoshBorke | just double checking :-) |
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| 20:01.55 | Tain | Is there a friends and family alpha? |
| 20:02.09 | Cide | friends and uberguilds alpha! |
| 20:02.28 | Kaelten | Cide: got a moment man? |
| 20:02.32 | Cide | yup |
| 20:03.13 | Kaelten | Cide: I've had a lot of people tell me that CT_MailMod highlights the wrong slots when using OneBag, I've experianced it too, but I can't figure out why. |
| 20:03.15 | Kaelten | any ideas why? |
| 20:03.36 | Cide | highlights, as in disables? |
| 20:03.54 | Kaelten | right for the mass mail |
| 20:04.08 | Cide | hmm, well |
| 20:04.20 | Cide | the code is somewhat ugly due to the fact that it's pretty hard to figure out "which" item it is |
| 20:04.45 | Kaelten | right, and for some reason, with OneBag, CT_MailMod just can't get it right at all |
| 20:04.50 | Kaelten | not sure how to fix it though |
| 20:04.50 | Kirkburn | Great the wikidiot didn't leave |
| 20:04.56 | Tain | Cide you should see about hooking into Ventrilo. Made Ready Check yell at people. |
| 20:05.11 | Cide | Tain: I'd do it :) |
| 20:05.37 | Cide | Kaelten: not sure, really.. it's kind of an ugly solution so there could be a bunch of things |
| 20:05.40 | Tain | If they don't click within a few seconds, "Hey! HEY! ASSHOLE!" |
| 20:05.50 | zenzelezz | our raid leader already announces ready checks on TS |
| 20:05.52 | Shadowed | Cide: Any idea how long CTRA2 will be in beta/alpha? |
| 20:06.10 | Cide | depends on how smooth it goes :) |
| 20:06.34 | Shadowed | guild's using a custom raid mod, and think i maybe able to get them to switch depending how efficent CTRA2 is :p |
| 20:06.38 | Cide | we're trying to make it rather polished before that though, so it should be smooth |
| 20:07.44 | Shadowed | kk |
| 20:08.08 | Cide | it's hopefully going to be 'efficient enough' :) |
| 20:08.25 | cogwheel | Can someone back me up please? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11933180&sid=1 |
| 20:08.51 | cogwheel | I'd rather not pull out the headache ascii guy... |
| 20:08.53 | Kirkburn | Can people help me restore the wiki please? |
| 20:08.56 | Rallion | i started a new job on wednesday and I've already worked 31 hours |
| 20:09.16 | Shadowed | good to hear! |
| 20:09.23 | Shadowed | Kirkburn: what's wrong? |
| 20:09.28 | Kirkburn | Vandal |
| 20:09.36 | Kirkburn | Impersonating fandyllic |
| 20:09.37 | Rallion | it would be fine if I didn't have to wait another two weeks to get paid for it :P |
| 20:10.04 | Shadowed | If you can tell me how to do it i'll do what i can |
| 20:10.06 | cogwheel | what pages? |
| 20:10.16 | Kirkburn | Check the recent changes list |
| 20:10.32 | Kirkburn | The real one isn't back yet, so all the 'fandyllic' edits are fake |
| 20:10.34 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Recentchanges |
| 20:11.27 | Gryphen | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/FandyIlic |
| 20:11.35 | jaxdahl | good one, Gryphen |
| 20:11.44 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 20:11.45 | Shadowed | cogwheel you're name isn't bogwheel i guess! |
| 20:11.58 | Shadowed | that's a lot of changes |
| 20:12.03 | cogwheel | no.... |
| 20:12.26 | Shadowed | typed bogwheel by accident :( |
| 20:12.36 | Kirkburn | Normally this stuff would be left for an admin to sort, but none are around |
| 20:12.49 | Shadowed | isn't Mikk an admin |
| 20:13.10 | Gryphen | no |
| 20:13.18 | Gryphen | admin has to edit just as users do, not mass revert :/ |
| 20:13.46 | Kirkburn | I was sure they could ... |
| 20:14.22 | Shadowed | I find it hard to believe that the wiki doesn't have a mass revert function |
| 20:14.46 | Gryphen | it doesnt, unless alex doesnt know of it, i asked him about it |
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| 20:23.11 | Kirkburn | I assume still no response from Alex? |
| 20:23.20 | Gryphen | not yet |
| 20:23.24 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 20:25.26 | Corrodias | alex... trebek? |
| 20:26.07 | Hexarobi | no, alex, russo's daughter on lost |
| 20:26.07 | Hexarobi | DUH |
| 20:28.24 | jaxdahl | people are already circumventing the profanity filter |
| 20:28.24 | jaxdahl | gra[b][/b]pes |
| 20:28.24 | Cide | I do that all the time |
| 20:28.24 | Cide | but I do... |
| 20:28.24 | jaxdahl | or [quote]grapes[/quote] |
| 20:28.25 | Cide | http://www.ctmod.net[b][/b]. |
| 20:28.25 | jaxdahl | it doesn't show up as a quote if your whole post is a quote |
| 20:28.25 | jaxdahl | ignore that last thing |
| 20:28.25 | jaxdahl | it does quote |
| 20:28.43 | jaxdahl | this didn't get filtered |
| 20:28.45 | jaxdahl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11962475&postId=118113608&sid=1#2 |
| 20:32.12 | Miravlix | Uhh, whats wrong with Fands changes? |
| 20:32.23 | Kirkburn | Is that a trick question? |
| 20:32.27 | Kirkburn | It's not actualy fandyllic |
| 20:32.31 | Miravlix | New layout |
| 20:32.45 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 20:33.10 | Miravlix | I went to the front page |
| 20:33.20 | Kirkburn | uh-huh? |
| 20:33.28 | Miravlix | It has a fandy edit about new layout and a link to a much nicer looking layout |
| 20:33.37 | Kirkburn | huh-huh :) |
| 20:33.40 | Miravlix | Even if it's fake let the guy change the layout it's great |
| 20:33.48 | Kirkburn | No, no, different thing |
| 20:34.03 | Miravlix | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Main_Page_Dev_4 |
| 20:34.07 | Kirkburn | That's official, and will be changed whenever the hell the real fandyllic returns |
| 20:34.19 | jaxdahl | Miravlix, he's talking about this: http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/FandyIlic |
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| 20:34.58 | Kirkburn | Shadowed, what's wrong with it? |
| 20:35.08 | Miravlix | Huh |
| 20:35.15 | jaxdahl | is there a way to modify the interface menu so it isn't fullscreen? |
| 20:35.16 | Gryphen | Miravlix the vandal is Fandy (capital i) (lowercase L) ic |
| 20:35.18 | Miravlix | All his changes is happening the same second |
| 20:35.20 | Shadowed | It's lighter then General Info |
| 20:35.39 | Miravlix | He is using a program to make the changes??? |
| 20:35.41 | Shadowed | Unless it was meant to do that |
| 20:35.48 | Kirkburn | no, he's just doing miniscule edits |
| 20:36.04 | Kirkburn | Shadowed, yeah, it's supposed to be like that |
| 20:36.14 | Shadowed | ah |
| 20:36.23 | Kirkburn | jaxdahl, the in-game one? Don't think so |
| 20:36.35 | Kirkburn | Shadowed, in fact, it was me that made it like that :P |
| 20:37.00 | Shadowed | trying to make interface customization stand out? |
| 20:37.13 | jaxdahl | yea the in-game one |
| 20:37.18 | Kirkburn | Yeah, like a little box-out from the main section |
| 20:37.22 | Shadowed | ah |
| 20:38.23 | Kirkburn | Only two? That's odd |
| 20:38.55 | Kirkburn | I bet I'll have about 10 more arrive any moment now :P |
| 20:39.54 | Shadowed | I can make that happen if you really want :p |
| 20:40.02 | jaxdahl | anyone know how to edit your thread title on the new wow forums? |
| 20:40.16 | jaxdahl | if you edit Post 0, it doesn't change the title of the thread |
| 20:40.24 | Miravlix | Man those edits is soo sad |
| 20:40.25 | Kirkburn | Ach, only admins can do it then |
| 20:40.30 | jaxdahl | but changes the title of post 0 |
| 20:40.34 | Miravlix | He has been sitting and editing the WoWWiki for 3 hours |
| 20:40.50 | Miravlix | wtf kind of life do you have when editing the wiki is fun for 3 hours+ |
| 20:40.58 | Kirkburn | It's probably to do with the new function allowing forum admins to change titles themselves, jaxdahl |
| 20:41.15 | Kirkburn | Miravlix, what about the guy who sits there for three hours sorting it out ;) |
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| 20:41.28 | Miravlix | Sorting it out has meaning |
| 20:41.59 | Miravlix | The point of defacing the site is 'having fun' and if defacing the wowwiki is fun for 3+ hours... |
| 20:42.24 | jaxdahl | yea kirk, the mods need to be able to change titles and not allow users to change them back |
| 20:42.30 | jaxdahl | but users should be able to change the titles otherwise |
| 20:42.38 | cogwheel | is anyone having trouble getting to google.com? |
| 20:42.49 | Shadowed | it's fine for me |
| 20:42.51 | Kirkburn | No problems here |
| 20:42.54 | cogwheel | :( |
| 20:43.02 | Kirkburn | Try another location? |
| 20:43.06 | Kirkburn | .co.uk? .ie? .it? |
| 20:43.10 | cogwheel | i hate my isp at work... |
| 20:43.13 | Miravlix | nope, but google just setup a lap in Denmark |
| 20:43.23 | cogwheel | guildportal doesn't work, either for me |
| 20:43.27 | cogwheel | but i can get to yahoo |
| 20:43.32 | cogwheel | and wowwiki... |
| 20:43.57 | Miravlix | too bad the bastards set it up in Århus, I'm not willing to move over there, to hard to change the money to wooden copeks |
| 20:44.00 | Shadowed | they've been paid off by yahoo to block google |
| 20:44.02 | jaxdahl | but man, i love being able to instantly search for blue posts on the new forums |
| 20:44.22 | jaxdahl | there's little to no lag for new blue posts to show up in search |
| 20:44.26 | Kirkburn | jaxdahl, I've been doing that with the bluetracker for aaaages ;) |
| 20:44.43 | jaxdahl | yea but i don't like going to a different site |
| 20:44.43 | Shadowed | you need something better to do i think :p |
| 20:44.43 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 20:45.44 | JoshBorke | bye all :-) |
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| 20:46.45 | Kirkburn | jaxdahl, I have an answer about thread titles! |
| 20:46.49 | Kirkburn | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/12053125.htm |
| 20:47.01 | Kirkburn | "Try using the top bar edit option. The one option is for the thread title and the other is for editing the main post itself. You have to do both (I believe if you are the thread starter) to get them to change both in the forum thread listing display and within the thread itself." |
| 20:48.34 | jaxdahl | Kirkburn |
| 20:48.37 | jaxdahl | read my reply |
| 20:49.02 | jaxdahl | i already saw that post |
| 20:49.06 | Kirkburn | ah |
| 20:49.20 | Kirkburn | jaxine? |
| 20:49.29 | jaxdahl | yes |
| 20:49.56 | jaxdahl | i bet neth has that option on his/her CM interface |
| 20:50.23 | Kirkburn | her :) |
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| 20:56.51 | Kirkburn | The vandal ... is back |
| 20:57.40 | jaxdahl | don't revert his changes yet to the User:Talk page |
| 20:57.42 | Kirov | Cide - any eta on a BossMods fix? |
| 20:57.58 | grumpey | eya |
| 20:58.06 | jaxdahl | he hasn't done anything in 20 min |
| 20:58.20 | Kirkburn | Bit late? :P |
| 20:58.57 | Kirkburn | Takes only about 5 seconds to rv anyway |
| 20:59.25 | jaxdahl | i mean, if all he changed was his user:talk page |
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| 20:59.46 | jaxdahl | then maybe he'll quiet down if you don't revert that one |
| 20:59.47 | Kirkburn | He's not, he's redirecting Fandyllic's real page |
| 20:59.56 | jaxdahl | oh ok |
| 21:00.43 | Kirkburn | Apparently he needs to tell everyone it's hilarious, just in case they dont' 'get it' |
| 21:00.52 | zenzelezz | Kirov: boss mods fix? |
| 21:01.10 | Kirov | zenzelezz - Blizzard changed the format for mob emotes. |
| 21:01.26 | jaxdahl | i use La Vendetta Boss mods |
| 21:01.47 | jaxdahl | pretty nice timers on the screen |
| 21:02.02 | zenzelezz | Kirov: ah, so any fight where they use emotes to fetch events is not working right now? (1.54) |
| 21:02.09 | Kirov | zenzelezz - correct |
| 21:02.10 | zenzelezz | er, not 1.54... whatever boss mods version came with it |
| 21:02.47 | Kirov | zenzeless - deep breath emote, as an example, used to be "takes a deep breath..." |
| 21:02.57 | Kirov | it's now "%s takes a deep breath..." |
| 21:03.13 | Kirov | any mod that does a string.find with out a ^ works fine still |
| 21:03.21 | Kirov | those that use a ^ or a direct string compare fail |
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| 21:24.00 | jaxdahl | new forums are slow at times.. |
| 21:24.14 | Kirkburn | Sounds like out wiki vandal |
| 21:24.19 | Kirkburn | *our |
| 21:24.41 | Kirov | what does? |
| 21:24.55 | Kirkburn | The vandal, slow. |
| 21:25.22 | Cide | Kirov: sadly, people should use ^ with string.find :( |
| 21:25.26 | Cide | if possible, of course |
| 21:25.49 | Kirkburn | I've asked him (Mr. Vandal) if he wants to talk about his apparent homophobia, but I'm not hoping for miracles :P |
| 21:25.56 | Kirov | Cide - yeah |
| 21:26.08 | Kirov | Cide - I used it in STranq, so it broke for me. |
| 21:26.15 | Kirov | I'll be releasing a fixed version tonight. |
| 21:26.38 | Kaso | Cide: howcome (on ^) does it make it run faster or soemthing? |
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| 21:26.55 | Cide | Kaso: ^ means start of string |
| 21:27.08 | Kaso | yah, but why should people use it? |
| 21:27.12 | Cide | so if you use that, it can abort as soon as it finds a character that doesn't match |
| 21:27.16 | Cide | meaning, it will run much faster |
| 21:27.20 | Kaso | ah |
| 21:27.41 | Kirov | string.find("not Blah", "^Blah") will fail, "Blah" won't |
| 21:27.41 | Kaso | guess that makes sense |
| 21:28.14 | Cide | yep |
| 21:28.21 | Kaso | should use it more. |
| 21:28.36 | Kirov | string.find(msg, "^foo") is equivalent to string.sub(msg,1,3) == "foo" |
| 21:28.36 | Cide | with string.find("not Blah", "^Blah"), it will check "n" vs "B" and abort immediately |
| 21:28.46 | Kirov | but faster |
| 21:28.59 | Kirov | and doesn't create a junk string |
| 21:29.03 | Cide | string.find("not Blah", "Blah") will need to scan the whole string |
| 21:29.19 | Cide | yeah, don't overuse () if you don't need to :) |
| 21:29.46 | Kirov | string.find( msg, "^Foo$") would be the same as msg == "Foo" |
| 21:29.50 | Kirov | only dumb |
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| 21:34.23 | Shadowed | how dare you insult my coding style |
| 21:35.24 | ckknight | yea, msg == "Foo" is much more efficient |
| 21:35.47 | ckknight | Kirov, also, string.sub(msg, 1,3) creates a new string, not necessarily "foo" |
| 21:35.58 | ckknight | therefore it is less memory-efficient than string.find(msg, "^foo") |
| 21:35.58 | Kirkburn | Yayayayayayay!!! He's finally blocked :) |
| 21:37.22 | jaxdahl | yay |
| 21:44.14 | Kirkburn | Check out the final comments :P http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Fandyllic |
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| 21:49.50 | Oree | what specificly does unpack() do? |
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| 21:50.42 | Oree | nm |
| 21:55.01 | Kaso | unpacks stuff! |
| 21:55.56 | Kaso | unpack will take {1,2,3} and return 1,2,3 but its quite GC inefficent |
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| 21:55.59 | Kirkburn | It covers your screen in polystyrene balls |
| 21:56.04 | Kaso | haha |
| 22:08.22 | Flyoc | unpack unpacks strings |
| 22:08.35 | Flyoc | you pack objects with pack ! |
| 22:09.05 | zenzelezz | how I hate pack/unpack >.< |
| 22:09.52 | cogwheel | there is no pack... only {} |
| 22:10.49 | Kirov | allthe more reason to hate pack |
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| 22:11.11 | cogwheel | "pack not. unpack, or unpack not; there is no pack" |
| 22:11.24 | zenzelezz | my only reason for hating it is memories of when I wrote an Anarchy Online chat client in C++... and the only reference I had was in PHP |
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| 22:11.55 | Warla | yay... my mailbox script is finished ;-) |
| 22:11.59 | Warla | https://72.22.83.143:8443/sitepreview/http/test.ch/?id=1 |
| 22:12.04 | Warla | click on "Mail" tab |
| 22:12.14 | Warla | then for example on the blizzard in game support mail |
| 22:12.20 | Warla | and click on the attached mail |
| 22:12.20 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: You there? |
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| 22:13.06 | Shadowed | There is a problem with this website's security certificate. |
| 22:13.12 | Shadowed | IE7 doesn't like it! |
| 22:13.56 | Warla | yea its just a bogus certificate |
| 22:14.09 | Warla | i need to register a webadress first |
| 22:14.11 | Kirkburn | Me here |
| 22:14.11 | cogwheel | any particular reason it's https in the first place? |
| 22:14.16 | Shadowed | background for tooltips doesn't work in IE7 either :( |
| 22:14.18 | Warla | to get rid of rhat message lol |
| 22:14.25 | Warla | background works |
| 22:14.27 | zenzelezz | this Veliana seems to like you Warla |
| 22:14.27 | Warla | just reload |
| 22:14.31 | Warla | i have IE 5 and 7 |
| 22:14.44 | Warla | heh |
| 22:14.47 | Warla | velhana is my alt ^^ |
| 22:15.08 | Shadowed | nope, still doesn't work |
| 22:15.18 | zenzelezz | anyway, looked pretty nice |
| 22:15.37 | Warla | thx |
| 22:15.41 | Warla | saw the zoom in out effect? |
| 22:15.43 | Warla | of the mail |
| 22:16.05 | zenzelezz | no zoom, but it did scroll up when you opened it, down when you closed it |
| 22:16.10 | Warla | ya |
| 22:16.12 | Warla | :-) |
| 22:16.16 | Warla | thats what i mean ;-) |
| 22:16.20 | Warla | only works on mails i can scan text with |
| 22:16.21 | Warla | suxx |
| 22:16.29 | Warla | because the Lua functions to get that text |
| 22:16.33 | Warla | actually READ the mail |
| 22:16.40 | Warla | setting its cooldown to 3 days |
| 22:16.42 | Kirkburn | IE7 no openy :( |
| 22:16.48 | Warla | Kirk |
| 22:16.52 | Warla | i have IE7 |
| 22:16.56 | Warla | it must work ^^ |
| 22:17.05 | Warla | try reload the page |
| 22:17.05 | Kirkburn | I know .. odd :P |
| 22:17.15 | Warla | sometimes the js loads slow or not at all |
| 22:17.28 | Kirkburn | I'll leave it trying then :) |
| 22:17.30 | Shadowed | I just tried reloading, then clearing temp internet files then reloading again |
| 22:17.33 | Shadowed | didn't work still |
| 22:17.43 | Shadowed | :( |
| 22:17.50 | Kirkburn | I get the title and background, but that's all ... it just says "waiting ...." in the status bar |
| 22:18.06 | Shadowed | odd, everything works for me except the backgrounds in IE7 |
| 22:18.10 | Shadowed | mail, ect |
| 22:18.12 | zenzelezz | site loaded slowly for me, but worked fine once it finished. Firefox 1.5.x |
| 22:18.26 | Warla | let me start the page in IE7 quickly... |
| 22:18.47 | Shadowed | are you hosting from your computer? |
| 22:18.53 | Gryphen | seems ok to me in IE7 |
| 22:19.10 | Kirkburn | Timed out for me :P |
| 22:19.22 | Shadowed | Small typo, for honor page when hovering over honorable kills you have "Playr" not "Player" |
| 22:20.07 | Warla | ohh k fixing that :-) thx for mentioning |
| 22:20.08 | Gryphen | nice little scroll up effect thing on the mail |
| 22:20.13 | Warla | thx :-) |
| 22:20.18 | Shadowed | wb Iriel |
| 22:22.17 | jaxdahl | many realm forums still haven't gotten their sticky threads stickied |
| 22:22.20 | Gryphen | nice work Warla |
| 22:22.30 | jaxdahl | i've had a bunch of people report my thread so it'll get stickied |
| 22:22.34 | jaxdahl | but it hasn't happened yet |
| 22:22.46 | Shadowed | they probably got a lot of requests for it, give it a day or two more |
| 22:22.49 | Tuplad | Heeeeeere kirkburn kirkburn *whistles* |
| 22:23.16 | cogwheel | His router goes out intermittantly... |
| 22:23.40 | Warla | Gryphen thx :-) i'm close to finish the profiler scripts and the UI Mod that collects the data |
| 22:23.51 | Warla | some stuff on the front page and pets arent done yet |
| 22:24.07 | Warla | after that i'm finished abd cab release the scripts for guild webpages |
| 22:24.56 | Kirkburn | Ach |
| 22:25.23 | Kirkburn | I've already said hello twice :P |
| 22:25.35 | Kirkburn | What do you want already? :) |
| 22:26.23 | Tuplad | Well |
| 22:26.28 | Tuplad | That new font in CF, what's the name |
| 22:26.33 | Tuplad | Francophidofile |
| 22:26.35 | Tuplad | or some |
| 22:26.40 | Tuplad | It doesnt support Russian text ;< |
| 22:26.46 | Warla | Kirkburn |
| 22:27.24 | Kirkburn | Download the old one then ... back in 2 secs :) |
| 22:27.31 | Warla | just checked... page loading kinda slow on IE7 no clue why (well propably because its microsoft) but after 3x loading (just select URL and hit return again) it loaded the stuff correctly |
| 22:27.47 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: Meh ;( |
| 22:27.54 | Tuplad | Kirkburn: I'll just make a new folder with Calibri font |
| 22:28.08 | Mikk | Kirkburn: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Fandyllic#YOU.27RE_WELCOME <- and that's how to shoot em down |
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| 22:33.39 | Mikk | Gryphen: Btw, admins do have better options for reverting spam. They can remove the latest revision from any page and completely erase it from the edit log |
| 22:33.44 | Mikk | And with fewer clicks |
| 22:33.58 | Gryphen | :o |
| 22:34.07 | Gryphen | mikk and his wayback machine |
| 22:35.11 | Gryphen | i meant about your response to my comment |
| 22:35.17 | Mikk | ah =) |
| 22:35.41 | Mikk | Only one guy thinking I'm an admin then :-P |
| 22:36.12 | Kirkburn | Mikk, we all WANT you to be one :P |
| 22:39.02 | Kirkburn | Tell fandyllic that =) |
| 22:39.28 | Kirkburn | Tuplad, the whole point of the new downloads section on the website is for exactly what you just described :P |
| 22:40.21 | Kirkburn | Mikk, eloquently put, that comment ;) |
| 22:40.33 | Kirkburn | You do have to wonder what these people think a wiki is |
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| 22:43.29 | Gryphen | open season |
| 22:43.43 | AnduinLothar | mikk, alny luck with CTL? |
| 22:44.38 | Mikk | Still mostly Coder's Block |
| 22:44.47 | Mikk | I sit down to code on it 2-3 times a day and get nowhere |
| 22:44.54 | Mikk | Oh |
| 22:44.58 | Kirkburn | CTL? |
| 22:44.59 | Mikk | CTL is updated |
| 22:45.10 | Mikk | I was thinking EtchASketch there for a secon |
| 22:45.27 | Mikk | Maybe I should take that as my clue to go to bed |
| 22:46.03 | Mikk | AnduinLothar: I haven't been able to reproduce the bug. Seems it depends on the server or current server load or something icky.. I've put in a VERY harsh throttle (10% of normal speed) for the first 5 seconds after login and PEW |
| 22:46.04 | Kirkburn | Warla, still getting nothing :/ |
| 22:52.50 | Mikk | on another note, there isn't much left of aug 25 even in EST. fand better change that front page :-P |
| 22:53.35 | Kirkburn | ;) |
| 22:53.43 | Gryphen | 8 hours left here |
| 22:53.48 | Kirkburn | 6 and a half mins for me |
| 22:54.37 | Kirkburn | Burn the heathen! |
| 22:56.03 | AnduinLothar | it's not even just 5 sec most of the time |
| 22:56.19 | Gryphen | dang, mikk has a wayback machine and a future machine |
| 22:57.22 | Iriel | Mikk: Ah, I asked yesterday after you left -- did you monitor the network stream from wow to the server to see if the 'throttle' is just that the client is spamming the server with requests? |
| 22:57.41 | Iriel | Mikk: Like for example, requesting the details of all the people in the vicinity |
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| 22:59.53 | Mikk | Ummm not quite following your question |
| 23:00.17 | Mikk | Ahhh for CTL you mean |
| 23:00.45 | Mikk | No, I didn't really look at network stats for that bit, but that'd make sense too, certainly |
| 23:00.58 | Mikk | Then again, I was doing my testing right outside the bank in orgrimmar |
| 23:01.08 | Mikk | So I had that part right =) |
| 23:01.41 | AnduinLothar | I dever disconnected myself, but I was never above 20 fps |
| 23:01.41 | Iriel | I just find it extremely unlikely that there's any variance in the throttle logic |
| 23:02.07 | AnduinLothar | so it was always at 50% with no bursting |
| 23:02.12 | Mikk | We were speculating that there's some kind of "allowed input size" counter type thingy that starts at 0 and increases per second |
| 23:02.21 | Mikk | That'd make sense |
| 23:02.31 | Gryphen | my wife or i never disco and we both have been over 30fps |
| 23:02.31 | Mikk | Though your theory certainly would also |
| 23:03.27 | Mikk | Either way, the throttle that I coded in (10% of normal throughput for 5 secs) should cure both problems |
| 23:03.51 | AnduinLothar | when does the 5 sec start? |
| 23:04.02 | Mikk | At lib init, and then again at PEW |
| 23:04.18 | AnduinLothar | caus emost people were reporting being logged in for 10-30 seconds before disc |
| 23:04.34 | Kirov | meh |
| 23:05.03 | Kirov | it takes that long for the client to notice they've been disconnected if the server just stops responding |
| 23:05.10 | Mikk | I wonder if they're counting the ~5 or so seconds where you're just standing around looking silly without a real connection |
| 23:05.25 | Mikk | or more? |
| 23:06.04 | Kirov | If you send something bad, or the server is unhappy with something you do, it sends the client a disconnect, then disconnects itself. |
| 23:06.21 | Kirov | If you all out spam it just ignores the client and stops responding, never sends a disconnect |
| 23:07.25 | Kirov | There's a couple other situations where the server will refuse to respond to you as well, but they usually done cause a disconnect. |
| 23:07.56 | Kirov | If you attempt to get too many invalid items with in a certain threshold it bans that character from getting any updates, valid or not. |
| 23:08.21 | Kirov | Enough invalids on an account and the entire account is banned. |
| 23:08.36 | Kirov | (from seeing new item tooltips, you can still continue to play the game) |
| 23:11.18 | Mikk | Wonder why they'd go to those extremes |
| 23:11.27 | Mikk | Maybe they listened to their CS teacher when they designed their hashes |
| 23:11.51 | Mikk | Searching for something that doesn't exist in a hash built they way they teach in school is painful :-P |
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| 23:22.21 | jaxdahl | what is CTL? |
| 23:22.45 | Kirov | Cow Tail Lashing |
| 23:23.37 | jaxdahl | will it help me beat c'thun? |
| 23:24.07 | ckknight | yes. |
| 23:24.14 | ckknight | yes, it will. |
| 23:27.34 | Hexarobi | omg without approving new version of wowchess? |
| 23:27.37 | Hexarobi | suck slacking! |
| 23:27.40 | Hexarobi | err such |
| 23:27.41 | Hexarobi | ;) |
| 23:27.43 | Hexarobi | peace out |
| 23:28.29 | BLG | I need a Snake addon for raiding |
| 23:28.35 | BLG | So I can play Snake whilst raiding |
| 23:28.54 | Mikk | I need a tetris where the blocks consist of shadowbolt buttons |
| 23:29.05 | BLG | You know, otherwise it's just 3, 3, 3, 3, 3 |
| 23:29.18 | BLG | Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Frostbolt |
| 23:29.27 | BLG | Gotta keep it interesting |
| 23:29.31 | Mery | i think mikk wants to click the tetris buttons while playing :P |
| 23:29.42 | BLG | That's a good idea |
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| 23:29.49 | BLG | Write that addon please |
| 23:29.52 | Hexarobi | theres motherfuckin snakes on this motherfuckin raid! |
| 23:29.57 | BLG | lol |
| 23:30.19 | Mikk | Hmmm... rebind arrow keys to steer snake + cast spam spell |
| 23:30.20 | Mikk | Yeah that might work |
| 23:30.28 | Hexarobi | hmm ya it would |
| 23:30.56 | Hexarobi | no no no |
| 23:31.00 | Hexarobi | i start school monday |
| 23:31.04 | Mikk | MUAHAHA =) |
| 23:31.15 | Hexarobi | taking discrete math, cal 2, linear algebra and data structures |
| 23:31.18 | Hexarobi | no time for wowSnake |
| 23:31.20 | BLG | Whenever you pick up a number to increase your snake's length, it should spam decursive |
| 23:31.22 | Mikk | pardon, did i say that out loud? :-P |
| 23:31.27 | Hexarobi | err SnakesOnAPaladin |
| 23:31.39 | Hexarobi | haha blg |
| 23:31.55 | Mikk | 50/50 chance of cleanse or flash MT |
| 23:31.58 | Mikk | there's your pally on-key |
| 23:32.00 | Mikk | one* |
| 23:32.18 | Hexarobi | not with wow's RNG |
| 23:32.27 | Mikk | arf |
| 23:32.49 | Mikk | "No, sorry, your user name starts with H. You will cleanse 99% of the time." |
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| 23:33.35 | Mikk | Actually, the math.random RNG is regularly sucky. It's not evilly sucky. |
| 23:34.00 | Mikk | (plain old LCPRNG. new = old * something + somethingelse, mod something) |
| 23:34.10 | Hexarobi | indeed |
| 23:34.28 | Mikk | 2nd something = somethingcomplpetelydifferent :-P |
| 23:34.47 | Mikk | why am i listening to the hampster song? |
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| 23:34.57 | Mikk | must be like the 5th time it's looping now |
| 23:35.13 | GeoDaMancer | Hola everyone. |
| 23:35.48 | Mikk | ahwell.. i'll leave you to speculate on likely causes of my apparent mental infliction. and results thereof. gnite folks :-) |
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| 23:36.10 | Corthain | This is the WoW ui channel, correct? |
| 23:36.27 | Gryphen | yes |
| 23:36.31 | BLG | No wai |
| 23:36.36 | Corthain | ;_; |
| 23:36.52 | Corthain | Well I've hit a bit of a snag dealing with tables, may I ask a quick question? |
| 23:36.58 | Kirov | technically this is the www.wowinterface.com channel, but for all intents and purposes it's the wow ui channel. |
| 23:37.00 | GeoDaMancer | Wha'ja need? |
| 23:37.07 | Kirov | Corthain - shoot |
| 23:37.09 | Corthain | Thanks. |
| 23:37.11 | BLG | I never even go to that Web site |
| 23:37.53 | BLG | Oh it's that one |
| 23:37.59 | Corthain | I wish to completely empty a table, and I can't quite figure out how to do it. I was wondering what the best way to do it is? |
| 23:38.01 | BLG | With that funny comic on the front page |
| 23:39.12 | Corthain | I was thinking table.foreach, but it passes key value pairs and I don't think I can use table.remove with that. =\ |
| 23:39.12 | GeoDaMancer | You can always cycle through the indexes and make them equal '0' or 'nil', or something of the like. |
| 23:39.12 | BLG | Do you think that if SCT was called Floating Combat Text, Blizzard would have called it Scrolling Combat Text when they implemented it? |
| 23:39.21 | Kirov | Corthain - the easiest way is tableName = {}; |
| 23:39.28 | Corthain | Oh! |
| 23:39.33 | GeoDaMancer | Oh yea, that works better than my way. xD |
| 23:39.43 | Corthain | I thought that was only legal when using it for a constructor. |
| 23:39.51 | BLG | It is a constructor |
| 23:39.58 | GeoDaMancer | Well, that constructs over something, so it works. |
| 23:40.03 | BLG | You're replacing the old table with a new empty one and assigning it to the same variable name as before |
| 23:40.06 | Kirov | Corthain - If you're worried about memory usage, it's better to iterate through a table and nil out each of the individual values. |
| 23:40.20 | GeoDaMancer | Otherwise you get a lot of garbage, right? |
| 23:40.29 | Corthain | Well I need all the keys to be removed. |
| 23:40.29 | BLG | ...nobody would do that |
| 23:40.37 | BLG | GC will trash it when it needs to |
| 23:40.47 | Corthain | So = {} it is. |
| 23:40.53 | BLG | Correct |
| 23:40.59 | Hexarobi | myTable = {} will destroy all links to the old data and leave it for trash collection... i would think ;) |
| 23:41.02 | Corthain | I grew up in C, so LUA is a bit strange thus far. :) |
| 23:41.09 | Corthain | But I'm learning! |
| 23:41.13 | Corthain | Thanks for the info. |
| 23:41.13 | Kirov | As long as you reference the table by tableName, doing = {} will make it a new, empty table. |
| 23:41.21 | Corthain | Awesome. |
| 23:41.32 | GeoDaMancer | I was wondering, is there a way to use the IsUsableAction() on a spell that isn't in the action bar? Or a way to add, then remove the spell so that it can check if it's a usable action without having to actually take up a place on the bar? |
| 23:42.01 | Kirov | If you do something like local backupTable = tableName; tableName = {}, backupTable will remain as a reference to the original table. |
| 23:42.04 | GeoDaMancer | Corth, try going from Php to C to Lua to Java, you'll get messed up even worse. |
| 23:42.12 | Corthain | hehe |
| 23:42.28 | Corthain | I'll keep that in mind, Kirov. :) |
| 23:42.32 | BLG | lol, Java |
| 23:42.42 | Kirov | GeoDaMancer - you can put it on the bar, then take it off, but both functions are exceedingly slow. |
| 23:42.46 | Corthain | Well I went mIRC script to PHP then to C, but C is where I really learned it. |
| 23:42.46 | GeoDaMancer | I'm going through CS classes for that junk right now. |
| 23:43.00 | GeoDaMancer | I didn't include Mirc Script. >.> |
| 23:43.04 | Corthain | lol |
| 23:43.05 | Kirov | GeoDaMancer - to add or remove an item from the action bar requires a server call and response. |
| 23:43.12 | Corthain | I was 12 and having fun. ;) |
| 23:43.16 | Corthain | Ouch. |
| 23:43.20 | Corthain | Slow. =\ |
| 23:43.45 | GeoDaMancer | If you include that... And other script languages... Php/mySQL, C, Mirc, Flash AS1/2, then Lua and Java. xD |
| 23:43.53 | GeoDaMancer | Ah, yeah, hrm, is there some way to fudge it? |
| 23:43.55 | Kirov | I have a mod that can swap out all 120 actions. Takes about 0.2 seconds |
| 23:44.16 | GeoDaMancer | I just need to find out if a skill is usable at that point in time, without having to be in the actionbars. |
| 23:44.31 | Kirov | GeoDaMancer - then you're out of luck. |
| 23:44.38 | GeoDaMancer | Crapples. |
| 23:45.00 | GeoDaMancer | Alright, let's see, do I have any other questions. *Scratches his head.* |
| 23:45.03 | Kirov | Why does it need to not be on the action bar? |
| 23:46.23 | Kirov | Ok, more specifically, why are you checking IsUsableAction? |
| 23:47.04 | GeoDaMancer | Mainly for skills like Overpower, or Riposte, I don't want to hit a button triggering it and having it throw me a "You can't use that" error. |
| 23:47.46 | Kirov | ah |
| 23:47.58 | GeoDaMancer | Even though I still manage to get it from time to time. |
| 23:48.03 | GeoDaMancer | Stupid riposte. xD |
| 23:48.43 | GeoDaMancer | So, how does one set things into the Action Slots when one is using a script? |
| 23:49.19 | Kirov | GeoDaMancer - how does one add something to the action bar you mena? |
| 23:49.27 | Kirov | s/mena/mean/ |
| 23:49.28 | GeoDaMancer | Yeah. |
| 23:49.46 | GeoDaMancer | Dun' mind me, I'm sort of short of sleep, and muddled. First week of classes. |
| 23:50.02 | GeoDaMancer | I read typonese, so normally, typos don't bother me. |
| 23:50.27 | Kirov | GeoDaMancer - You have to first clear your mouse cursor, then pick up the spell, macro, item, you want to place on the action bar, then use the action bar in question. |
| 23:50.52 | Kirov | You'll likely want to clear you mouse cursor again after that in case there was already an action on the button. |
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| 23:51.46 | Kirov | If you're using any addons that hook PickupAction to lock them instead of via XML, you'll have to unlock it first before doing so. |
| 23:52.02 | GeoDaMancer | No clue what that means, really. |
| 23:52.46 | Kirov | I'll summarize. |
| 23:52.50 | GeoDaMancer | Thank you. |
| 23:52.52 | Kirov | "way too fucking much" |
| 23:54.04 | GeoDaMancer | Alright, basically, I'd have to turn off something, then start something else up, pick up something, put something, clear something, then reset the last something? |
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| 23:54.56 | Kirov | let me put it this way ... to move something in to an action bar slot takes about 300 lines of code. |
| 23:55.03 | GeoDaMancer | Ugh. |
| 23:55.25 | BLG | lol, Blizzard |
| 23:55.35 | GeoDaMancer | I thought it would be simple like... PickUpSpell(id, "Book"); PlaceAction(here)... |
| 23:55.45 | Kirov | GeoDaMancer - It is. |
| 23:56.02 | jaxdahl | hmm , in a BG if you click someone and right click their portrait and click 'whisper', it doesn't add their realm. bug? |
| 23:56.07 | GeoDaMancer | But, only if nothing else is blocking the use of that? |
| 23:56.20 | Kirov | GeoDaMancer - except that there's a lot of fail cases, and you first have to find what spell you want. |
| 23:56.37 | GeoDaMancer | Fail cases? |
| 23:56.39 | Kirov | And yeah, assuming no one is doing something stupid with PickupAction |
| 23:56.57 | Kirov | GeoDaMancer - A) You have gold or an item picked up on your cursor |
| 23:57.10 | jaxdahl | you can pick up gold on yoru cursor? |
| 23:57.11 | GeoDaMancer | Ah, so you have to make sure that there is a spell at that place, before you try to pick it up... That too. |
| 23:57.14 | Kirov | B) Someone has hooked PickupAction to lock spells to prevent them from being moved |
| 23:57.42 | GeoDaMancer | Well, it doesn't look like that's a problem for me, I can move things around, or is that a different problem? |
| 23:58.11 | Kirov | Well, is this just for you, or do you plan on releasing this? |
| 23:58.23 | Kirov | And if someone is using an addon that does bad stuff with PickupAction, do you care? |
| 23:59.11 | GeoDaMancer | Me? No, unless it gets me in trouble, but I don't think that any of the addons I have are blocking it, but I can't be sure until I check. xD |
