| 00:00.33 | AnduinLothar | my itunes track overlay doesn't show up |
| 00:00.49 | Iriel | My guess is there's some changes to prep for the burning crusade going in, thus things that we wouldn't expect to break are breaking |
| 00:01.59 | Iriel | But that's just a guess |
| 00:02.27 | Thrae | Ahhh spring-time fresh. I always code best when I'm clean and naked. |
| 00:02.32 | Legorol | i didn't manage to get my Dartol's Rod of Transformation |
| 00:02.37 | Legorol | i don't have it on any character |
| 00:02.41 | Industrial | Thrae, o_O |
| 00:02.43 | Legorol | and it's going away with patch |
| 00:02.46 | Legorol | it's lost forever |
| 00:03.00 | Legorol | EU servers just came down :( |
| 00:03.04 | Industrial | bah |
| 00:03.08 | Industrial | just wanted to go and play |
| 00:03.12 | Legorol | i was in middle of quest chain... another 30 minutes and i'd have gotten it |
| 00:03.21 | Legorol | left it too late |
| 00:03.25 | Corrodias | good news: flightmap and atlas appear to be the only addons that have broken by 1.12. bad news: that is also the bad news |
| 00:03.36 | Legorol | lol |
| 00:03.40 | Gryphen | good news atlas is updated? |
| 00:03.43 | Corrodias | Dartol's Rod of Transformation? |
| 00:03.49 | Corrodias | Gryphen: bad news: i haven't checked for updates yet |
| 00:03.54 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 00:04.25 | Corrodias | what do you mean, it's going away with the patch? :( |
| 00:04.29 | Corrodias | that sounds like fun |
| 00:04.57 | Corrodias | not that it's important to me, because i'm all horde |
| 00:05.32 | Legorol | well it's getting a nerf |
| 00:05.37 | Legorol | until now, you could use it infinite times |
| 00:05.44 | Legorol | with patch, it will have 3 charges |
| 00:05.47 | Corrodias | :( |
| 00:05.59 | Legorol | the way items tend to work is that if you have the old version, it's most likely going to stay that way |
| 00:06.00 | Iriel | That took them long enough |
| 00:06.12 | Kirkburn | nooooooo |
| 00:06.13 | Legorol | it's an extremely fun but harmless item |
| 00:06.27 | Legorol | so i was going to get it on those characters that haven't completed the quest |
| 00:06.32 | Legorol | didn't manage, left it too late :( |
| 00:07.05 | nezroy_ | furbolg armies ftw! |
| 00:07.16 | Legorol | however, if the patch changes the action of the old ones' as well retroactively, iwill laugh so hard |
| 00:07.29 | Legorol | some people in my guild were running around today collecting the quest on 5-6 alts :) |
| 00:07.35 | Iriel | One of my characters has one |
| 00:07.40 | Kirkburn | I will *kill* so hard |
| 00:07.40 | Iriel | let me see if I can remember which |
| 00:08.04 | Legorol | you see, when one of my chars had it, i was going to keep it without handing it in |
| 00:08.15 | Legorol | someone here, i won't mention names, said it's safe to hand in the quest, i still get to keep it |
| 00:08.18 | Legorol | bye bye rod |
| 00:08.22 | Iriel | Indeed |
| 00:08.38 | Kirkburn | Iriel, back to the bug list - I'm sure that's consolidated, so not all are new |
| 00:08.54 | Cairenn | it always only had 3 charges, what are you talking about? |
| 00:09.01 | Tain | Nope |
| 00:09.03 | Legorol | no, it had infinite charges |
| 00:09.06 | Legorol | up until today |
| 00:09.09 | Kirkburn | Yeah, infinite :P |
| 00:09.17 | Legorol | Iriel: could you check if it still has infinite charges post-patch? |
| 00:09.22 | Cairenn | all the ones I ever had only ever had 3, so I've no idea what you are talking about |
| 00:09.22 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 00:09.33 | Iriel | it appears to |
| 00:09.35 | Iriel | Let me try again |
| 00:09.36 | Legorol | Cairenn: dunno, i could use it more than 3 times |
| 00:09.49 | Kirkburn | Hmm, are there two versions? |
| 00:09.50 | Legorol | and many people were the same |
| 00:09.56 | Iriel | Yup |
| 00:09.58 | Iriel | Infinite charges |
| 00:09.59 | Kirkburn | The post hand-in and pre hand-in? |
| 00:10.04 | Tain | Mine is infinite. |
| 00:10.06 | Cairenn | well, mine always *said* 3 charges, I never tried to use it more than that |
| 00:10.12 | Cairenn | that's just plain weird |
| 00:10.14 | Legorol | yes it always said 3 |
| 00:10.17 | Legorol | but it was broken |
| 00:10.18 | Tain | You probably completed the quest like you're supposed to. |
| 00:10.22 | Tain | No, it didn't say 3. |
| 00:10.26 | Legorol | no? |
| 00:10.33 | Iriel | It's never said any number of charges |
| 00:10.37 | Kirkburn | 3 min, but not 3 charges |
| 00:10.40 | Tain | I think if you complete the quest you get a 3 charge one as a reward (if I remember right) |
| 00:10.47 | Tain | It was a long time ago that I did it. |
| 00:10.50 | Legorol | that could make sense |
| 00:10.56 | Cairenn | or maybe the quest itself said 3 charges, I don't remember, been waaaaay too long since I did it |
| 00:10.57 | Iriel | Dartol's Rod of Transformation |
| 00:10.59 | Iriel | Soulbound |
| 00:11.00 | Iriel | Unique |
| 00:11.02 | Tain | Of course I didnt' complete it, I kept it. |
| 00:11.02 | Legorol | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=8941 |
| 00:11.06 | Legorol | this doesn't mention 3 charges |
| 00:11.08 | Iriel | Use: Transforms you into a Furbolg for 3 min. |
| 00:11.18 | Tain | And post patch, right now, mine is still infinite. |
| 00:11.30 | Corrodias | lucky |
| 00:11.39 | Kirkburn | I'm glad to hear that Tain :D |
| 00:11.49 | Iriel | You have to deliberately not finish the quest though, to retain it |
| 00:11.53 | Kirkburn | Nope, only one version I can find on thott via that quest line |
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| 00:12.09 | grumpey | evening |
| 00:12.15 | Thrae | They should add in an Orb of Deception-type version of the rod. |
| 00:12.27 | Kirkburn | mornin' :) |
| 00:12.50 | Legorol | my memory of it is: one version, gone when you hand in |
| 00:13.00 | cladhaire | this is so sad |
| 00:13.00 | Cairenn | I finished the quest, I was able to keep the rod, I chose not to /shrug |
| 00:13.04 | cladhaire | i can afk to any factino i want |
| 00:13.08 | cladhaire | now that i get back to back bgs |
| 00:13.51 | Kirkburn | No idea what you mean, cladhaire ? |
| 00:13.51 | Legorol | afk? |
| 00:13.52 | Thrae | cladhaire: "AFK to any faction you want"? |
| 00:13.55 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 00:13.57 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 00:13.59 | Legorol | don't you get deserter? |
| 00:14.04 | cladhaire | just make mods in the battlegrounds |
| 00:14.09 | cladhaire | no.. i mean just sit here |
| 00:14.10 | cladhaire | and write mods |
| 00:14.13 | Legorol | right |
| 00:14.15 | cladhaire | while people earn honor and rep for me =) |
| 00:15.18 | cladhaire | I won't do it. |
| 00:15.20 | cladhaire | often =) |
| 00:15.23 | cladhaire | but its nice when i can |
| 00:15.38 | Kirkburn | It's not as if it would affect me anyway :P |
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| 00:16.13 | Legorol | Kirkburn, fortunately he is on other side of the pond |
| 00:16.16 | AnduinLothar | server down again |
| 00:16.18 | AnduinLothar | draka too |
| 00:16.19 | Legorol | so he can't come and mess our BG |
| 00:16.22 | ckknight | hey all |
| 00:16.23 | Cairenn | oh look! it's a ckknight! how was the wedding? |
| 00:16.28 | Legorol | wedding? |
| 00:16.29 | End | yeah I saw draka go down |
| 00:16.32 | Kirkburn | wedding? |
| 00:16.32 | ckknight | it was good |
| 00:16.34 | Legorol | sounds fun |
| 00:16.40 | ckknight | someone pushed me in the pool and broke my phone |
| 00:17.07 | Cairenn | good to hear, on the wedding front, sorry to hear, on the phone front, lol on the being pushed in the pool |
| 00:17.23 | Kirkburn | Any reason why? |
| 00:17.34 | Kirkburn | Someone who didn't like Fubar 2? ;) |
| 00:17.45 | ckknight | Kirkburn, some girl had a crush on me and that was her way of showing affection |
| 00:17.58 | ckknight | my brother MC'd his own wedding |
| 00:18.01 | ckknight | it was good |
| 00:18.06 | Kirkburn | So she jumped in next? :) |
| 00:18.12 | ckknight | norganna, she didn't |
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| 00:18.23 | ckknight | weird, didn't mean to tab |
| 00:18.32 | ckknight | Kirkburn, I was 100% not interested in her. |
| 00:18.43 | Kirkburn | Ah. Not so good then. |
| 00:19.37 | MentalPower | servers restarting ATM? |
| 00:19.43 | Kirkburn | yep |
| 00:19.56 | Kirkburn | Sorry, I watch the bluetracker a lot |
| 00:20.04 | Kirkburn | They're doing some rolling restarts |
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| 00:20.41 | Qzot | hmm |
| 00:21.47 | Kirkburn | Lol, check the first note on the wikipedia page on vandalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism |
| 00:21.59 | ckknight | today's my birthday |
| 00:22.05 | Cairenn | happy birthday! |
| 00:22.10 | Kirkburn | Happy birthday! |
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| 00:22.24 | Iriel | Aha, anyone remember that post in the UI forum about debugtimerstart()/debugtimerstop() acting strangely? |
| 00:22.24 | ckknight | I'm the ripe old age of 19 |
| 00:22.31 | Iriel | Happy birthday, youngun 8-) |
| 00:22.45 | Corrodias | ckknight is no longer barely legal |
| 00:23.23 | ckknight | lol. |
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| 00:24.23 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:24.34 | ckknight | kek |
| 00:24.52 | ckknight | Cairenn, can I transfer ownership of some FuBar plugins? |
| 00:25.40 | Tain | Just randomly, or to specific people? |
| 00:25.48 | ckknight | mostly randomly |
| 00:25.59 | Tain | You should do a raffle. |
| 00:25.59 | ckknight | but phyber wants to take over some that I know of |
| 00:26.02 | ckknight | lol. |
| 00:26.13 | ckknight | really, I want to give away basically all my plugin |
| 00:26.13 | ckknight | s |
| 00:27.05 | cladhaire | ckknight: Happy Birthday! Finally legal+1! |
| 00:27.26 | norganna | ckknight: What didn't I? |
| 00:27.42 | ckknight | norganna, I didn't mean to tab on your name :-P |
| 00:28.07 | norganna | oh, ok :( - I'll go back to my corner now... |
| 00:28.54 | norganna | youch! |
| 00:29.47 | Qzot | Catch you all later. |
| 00:30.05 | Cairenn | later Qzot |
| 00:30.23 | ckknight | norganna, I know you like it. |
| 00:30.30 | norganna | :) |
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| 00:34.54 | MentalPower | www.ctmod.net is down, any alternatives? |
| 00:35.13 | Cairenn | wowi |
| 00:35.14 | Kirov | frk, was just about to ask that |
| 00:35.26 | Kirov | wowi down, any alternatives |
| 00:35.35 | Cairenn | wowi not down |
| 00:35.46 | cogwheel | ~bonk kirov |
| 00:35.48 | purl | ACTION bonks kirov over the head |
| 00:35.50 | Cairenn | just finished approving a mod, I *know* it isn't down |
| 00:35.56 | Kirov | damn |
| 00:36.18 | Health | ~krka |
| 00:36.21 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, krka is a semi-retired addon coder. made stuff such as AutoTravel, MapLibrary, ... not much else really |
| 00:36.31 | norganna | is wowi up? |
| 00:37.19 | Kirov | I guess that's the one advantage of being the "lesser known" addon site during patch day |
| 00:37.34 | Kirov | ui.worldofwar.net and curse have been having problems all day |
| 00:38.00 | Silv | anyone having trouble with sRaidFrames ? |
| 00:39.15 | Corrodias | MentalPower: i can DCC you the ct mod collection if you want |
| 00:39.32 | MentalPower | Corrodias: that would be most wonderful |
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| 00:41.23 | Corrodias | attempting to send file, not seeming to get a reply |
| 00:41.33 | Thrae | Am I crazy, or is the name "Defeat" not a good idea for a Roleplaying server? |
| 00:41.55 | Thrae | s/crazy/too strict/ |
| 00:41.58 | Kirkburn | What's that named after? |
| 00:42.29 | Thrae | A player named "Defeat" on a Roleplaying server. |
| 00:42.37 | Kirkburn | Ah, I see now |
| 00:42.50 | Kirkburn | I thought you meant they'd released a new server with that name |
| 00:42.59 | Thrae | Haha, no. |
| 00:43.00 | Kirkburn | I've heard of players called Defeat before |
| 00:43.12 | Kirkburn | Depends on which way you view it |
| 00:43.24 | Kirkburn | I assume the player is the one doing the defeating |
| 00:43.27 | Thrae | Yeah, but a GM basically said that the name "Defeat" is fine for a roleplaying server. |
| 00:43.39 | Kirkburn | As in, Defeat defeats people |
| 00:43.49 | Kirkburn | Sure it is |
| 00:43.56 | Thrae | Even if you stretch the idea, I don't think it fits anywhere in the Alliance faction. |
| 00:44.26 | Thrae | I can't think of anyone naming their child, or gaining the nickname, "Defeat". It makes no sense on an English server. |
| 00:44.47 | Kirkburn | You'd be surprised what people name their children :/ |
| 00:44.48 | Thrae | I could see "Defeater" or "Defeated" as a stretch, but not "Defeat". |
| 00:45.12 | MentalPower | Corrodias: wierd, try again |
| 00:45.20 | Thrae | Well if you take that argument, ANY name would be OK, including vulgar / copyright ones. |
| 00:45.23 | Flyoc | well |
| 00:45.26 | Kirkburn | I would say better names could be chosen yeah |
| 00:45.35 | Flyoc | maybe if your name is Defeat, you can say you don't know yourself |
| 00:45.37 | Corrodias | resending. are you receiving the DCC request? |
| 00:45.46 | Corrodias | there you go |
| 00:45.47 | MentalPower | yup |
| 00:45.53 | Thrae | You have to draw the line somewhere, and I say that just crosses the line. Not by much, but it does cross it. |
| 00:46.07 | Corrodias | pretty slow transfer :o |
| 00:46.11 | Kirkburn | How about Victor |
| 00:46.16 | Kirkburn | ;) |
| 00:46.32 | Corrodias | i'm only uploading at around 20-25. i should have way more than 1 left. |
| 00:46.35 | Thrae | Victor is a German name that just happens to mean something in English |
| 00:47.03 | cladhaire | I name all my characters the irish gaelic word for their class |
| 00:47.05 | cladhaire | cause i'm lame. |
| 00:47.06 | Thrae | If someone can find that "Defeat" is a proper name in some other language, then I say fine. |
| 00:47.56 | Kirov | ok, frickin' ... |
| 00:48.03 | Corrodias | and if they can't, i say, "lol @ roleplayers" |
| 00:48.07 | Kirov | did they change the way tinsert works? |
| 00:48.33 | Kirkburn | Defeat isn't an easy name to google |
| 00:48.39 | Kirov | Something's wiggy |
| 00:49.03 | Corrodias | wiggy wiggy wack |
| 00:49.09 | Thrae | I remember an old "How to make Roleplaying Names" essay I read back with another MMORPG. It gave examples like "Darth Maul becomes Laum Htrad, a fine name." |
| 00:49.29 | Thrae | Kirov: I was under the impression tinsert == table.insert ? |
| 00:49.31 | Corrodias | H'trad, should be. :P |
| 00:49.39 | Kirov | Thrae - aye |
| 00:50.05 | Kirov | But I'm getting an erro that it's expecting a number and getting a string |
| 00:50.18 | Thrae | Kirov: Maybe another addon is screwing with it, I always do, local tinsert = getglobal("table").insert |
| 00:50.36 | Kirov | no, I use it just before that with out an issues |
| 00:50.49 | Kirkburn | Trivia: What is the word for a group of cats? |
| 00:50.51 | Corrodias | stop giving it a string, then |
| 00:50.54 | Thrae | That way I index it without issues. |
| 00:51.09 | Corrodias | Kirkburn: an allergic reaction |
| 00:51.09 | Kirov | Looks like a weirdness with UnitName |
| 00:51.12 | Kirov | frk |
| 00:51.26 | Corrodias | could be a pride. that's what they use for lions. |
| 00:51.27 | Kirkburn | lol ... actually a "clowder of cats" |
| 00:51.33 | Kirov | UnitName("raid#") now returns 2 values, the name and nil |
| 00:51.53 | Kirkburn | A male cat is called a tom (easy) ... but what is a female cat called? |
| 00:52.06 | Kirov | pussy? |
| 00:52.13 | Corrodias | queen |
| 00:52.18 | Corrodias | if not spayed |
| 00:52.25 | Kirkburn | Corrodias gets the point! |
| 00:52.26 | norganna | a she-cat :p |
| 00:52.26 | Cairenn | and the cookie goes to Corrodias |
| 00:52.42 | Corrodias | yum! :3 |
| 00:54.03 | Corrodias | and MentalPower's transfer is complete |
| 00:54.12 | MentalPower | yup |
| 00:54.14 | MentalPower | thanks :) |
| 00:54.32 | Cairenn | so why didn't you just snag it from WoWI? :p |
| 00:55.11 | Corrodias | because it requires less effort on his part when i locate the file and initiate the transfer, i suppose :D |
| 00:55.28 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:55.38 | Thrae | Kirov: Well, I can tell you UnitName("player") doesn't have 2 returns. |
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| 00:56.34 | Arrowmaster | yes it does |
| 00:56.41 | Arrowmaster | err |
| 00:57.00 | Kirov | It has it for cross realm battlegrounds, no? |
| 00:57.13 | Kirov | or does it just return name - server as the single return |
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| 00:57.28 | Arrowmaster | UnitName("target") does but only when targeting somebody from a different realm, it doesnt when targeting somebody from your own realm |
| 00:57.32 | Corrodias | according to what people on E'T are saying, it seems the cross-realm battleground feature has been turned off, or something |
| 00:57.40 | Thrae | Kirov: But WHY would it do that except for target or raid#target? |
| 00:58.01 | Thrae | You can't be in a raid with anyone other then your own realm/server. |
| 00:58.16 | Corrodias | well, that rather ruins it |
| 00:58.32 | Kirov | Thrae - no idea, but I can't think of another reason why tinsert(tableName, UnitName(raidid)) would give me an error that it's expecting a number and getting a string unless UnitName is returning two values |
| 00:59.08 | Corrodias | and i think our realm just crashed :o |
| 00:59.34 | Arrowmaster | some people on my realm are getting bugged and having their name showup with with the realm name in guild chat and other channels |
| 01:00.01 | MentalPower | Kirov: just do tinsert(tableName, (UnitName(raidid))) |
| 01:00.50 | Thrae | Kirov: I just made a raid and printed out the results of /script local foo,bar = UnitName("raid1"), "bar"; with "raid1", "raid1target", and "target", and each time only 1 return. If there are 2 returns, it should have gone into bar. |
| 01:01.23 | MentalPower | is Draka back online |
| 01:01.31 | Kirov | Thrae - weird |
| 01:02.07 | Thrae | Lemme double-check Iriel's notes. |
| 01:02.47 | ckknight | Thrae, not true. |
| 01:02.51 | ckknight | doesn't work that way. |
| 01:03.25 | ckknight | `local foo, bar = myFunc(), myVar` will _always_ make bar = myVar |
| 01:03.40 | Corrodias | sigh, i wish i hadn't chosen such a poorly-named realm |
| 01:03.52 | ckknight | it's the equivalent of `local foo, bar = (myFunc()), myVar` |
| 01:04.05 | ckknight | Corrodias, what realm? |
| 01:04.12 | Corrodias | Eldre'Thalas |
| 01:04.26 | ckknight | why? |
| 01:04.29 | Corrodias | there's even a new realm named Thrall. now THAT is cool. |
| 01:04.54 | Thrae | Well I just tested /script local foo,bar,bar2 = UnitName("target"), "bar"; as well...shouldn't that put the 2nd return in the variable bar and "bar" in bar2? |
| 01:04.55 | Corrodias | why did i choose it? because a friend was supposedly playing there, but he quit right after i joined anyway |
| 01:05.12 | Corrodias | got a very nice guild, though |
| 01:06.20 | Kirov | (UnitName("raid1")) fixed it |
| 01:06.28 | Kirov | So it is weirdness with UnitName |
| 01:06.34 | ckknight | Thrae, no. |
| 01:06.56 | Thrae | Hmmm |
| 01:07.03 | ckknight | since lua doesn't intrinsically know how many returns a function gives |
| 01:07.20 | ckknight | therefore, /script local foo,bar,bar2 = UnitName("target"), "bar" is the same as /script local foo,bar,bar2 = UnitName("target"), "bar", nil |
| 01:07.23 | ckknight | essentially |
| 01:07.39 | Thrae | Well anyway, local foo,bar="foo","bar"; foo,bar = UnitName("target"); is still giving me only 1 return for targetting myself or friendly players. |
| 01:07.56 | ckknight | that's viable. |
| 01:08.27 | ckknight | it doesn't have to return 2 arguments, it just can now, afaik. |
| 01:09.15 | Thrae | Yeah, but if it's returning two arguments with raid1, that's a bug -- you can't have raids be made up of people from different servers...or can you? Maybe that's a planned addition? |
| 01:09.32 | ckknight | I think you can |
| 01:09.36 | Corrodias | i HOPE you will be able to. isn't that how battlegrounds are supposed to be played? |
| 01:09.36 | MentalPower | there is no battlegroup1, so raid1 is all you ahve |
| 01:09.39 | ckknight | the battleground raid |
| 01:10.04 | MentalPower | which means that you CAN have people from other servers in your raid |
| 01:10.11 | Thrae | I thought cross-BGs only pitted your server vs opposite faction on your server or another server? |
| 01:10.18 | ckknight | nope. |
| 01:10.22 | MentalPower | nope |
| 01:10.29 | Thrae | Ahh, OK. Then that makes sense. |
| 01:11.36 | Corrodias | while entering ZF: "Transfer aborted: Instance not found." |
| 01:11.56 | ckknight | hrm |
| 01:12.55 | cladhaire | god i love healing in battlegrounds |
| 01:12.56 | Corrodias | we're "in" zf, but there are no enemies and there's an alliance dude here too :P |
| 01:13.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ |
| 01:13.27 | Thrae | Corrodias: They're still in the process of restarting some server boxes |
| 01:13.30 | Arrowmaster | i just did /dump UnitName("raid4") in a bg and got 2 returns |
| 01:13.39 | Arrowmaster | but the guy was from a different server |
| 01:13.43 | AnduinLothar | name and server |
| 01:13.57 | Thrae | "Instances" are instances because they aren't necessarily on the same server box as your realm |
| 01:13.57 | ckknight | Corrodias, lol |
| 01:14.02 | Corrodias | thrae: this is amusing. now the instance transfer screen has come back up again |
| 01:14.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | something in the back of my mind told me cross realm bgs would heavily break things somehow |
| 01:14.25 | norganna | heheh |
| 01:14.31 | Corrodias | i hear sounds going on in the background but can't see anything, of course |
| 01:14.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | 16 megabytes opened a portal into hell |
| 01:14.45 | Corrodias | indications of guild members going online or offline |
| 01:15.01 | norganna | something about the way they kept patching the test servers and pushing back the release of 1.12 told me that :) |
| 01:15.11 | AnduinLothar | once i tried conencting to wsg and it said instanc enot found and put me back in IF, then it said i was still in wsg and i had a Battlemap and an empty scoreboard |
| 01:15.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 01:15.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | one time i was running in arathi highlands |
| 01:15.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | and all of a sudden it said "not enough players. the game will end in 5 minutes" |
| 01:15.51 | Kirkburn | I like that tomorrow the new wowwiki front page will likely be going up *and* there will be a games convention on europe time :D |
| 01:15.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | and a battlemap popped up |
| 01:16.41 | Thrae | Hmmm...none of the BG instances were working on my server, Maelstrom, so I decided to quit for the day. |
| 01:17.16 | Kirkburn | (I suggested the new page go up before the Leipzig convention starts, since the wiki will probably get a spike in visits :) |
| 01:17.29 | ckknight | I think they should've done something like UnitName("guy", 1) to get his realm as well |
| 01:17.32 | Thrae | So much for farming rep while coding! |
| 01:18.07 | Thrae | ckknight: Or UnitRealm("unitId") |
| 01:18.14 | ckknight | even better. |
| 01:19.11 | Thrae | If I do something like "Foo " .. UnitName("mouseover") .. " Bar", is that broken now since it has 2 returns and not 1? |
| 01:19.32 | ckknight | norganna, Thrae |
| 01:19.34 | Thrae | s/has/can have/ |
| 01:19.36 | ckknight | wtf |
| 01:19.40 | ckknight | norganna, Thrae |
| 01:19.43 | ckknight | ah! |
| 01:19.46 | ckknight | damn X-Chat |
| 01:19.51 | ckknight | I wanted to type no, Thrae |
| 01:20.01 | Thrae | Hehe |
| 01:20.16 | Kirkburn | norganna, you need a new name :P |
| 01:20.26 | Kirkburn | s/norganna/no/ |
| 01:20.29 | Cairenn | ctmod site back up :p |
| 01:20.31 | Kirkburn | ;) |
| 01:20.56 | ckknight | no, test |
| 01:20.57 | ckknight | alright. |
| 01:21.02 | ckknight | sorry norganna |
| 01:21.17 | End | hmm, instance not found |
| 01:21.27 | Thrae | Thanks Cair, my 100,000 friends needed a copy of CTRA2. My friends probably also have friends too that all need a copy within the next 5 minutes. |
| 01:21.29 | no | no, yes? |
| 01:21.53 | Cairenn | awwwwww |
| 01:22.00 | Cairenn | now look what you did ckknight! |
| 01:22.10 | ckknight | I blame the schools. |
| 01:22.19 | Thrae | Let me make sure to post this on slashdot, digg, and the WoW General Forums that ctmod's website is back up! |
| 01:22.28 | Cairenn | Thrae: >< |
| 01:22.38 | no | Aye blaym teh skools, two! |
| 01:22.42 | AnduinLothar | Cosmos and WoWI never went down.. |
| 01:23.01 | AnduinLothar | curse wasn't too bad. it's been worse. but it didn't go down either |
| 01:23.13 | Cairenn | we're getting more than enough hits as it is, thanks, besides which, if you're gonna promote anything, promote the main site, not the hosted site :p |
| 01:23.14 | no | Did anyoen go down? |
| 01:23.24 | no | C'mon own up, did anyone go down? |
| 01:23.27 | AnduinLothar | ui.worldofwar did |
| 01:23.28 | Cairenn | ui.wow, cg (although it's been mostly up) |
| 01:23.44 | End | ui.wow was pretty flakey I noticed |
| 01:24.02 | End | uploads weren't completing |
| 01:24.04 | Thrae | Hehe, I kid, I kid. I'm sure you get enough headaches as is on patch days. |
| 01:24.25 | no | zomg, no more Atlas in Cosmos? |
| 01:24.41 | Thrae | Cosmos is gaining MetaMap? |
| 01:24.43 | Cairenn | no, replaces with alphamap |
| 01:24.48 | Cairenn | replaced* |
| 01:25.01 | Thrae | AlphaMap doesn't include Atlas, I think you mean MetaMap |
| 01:25.02 | no | What's the difference? :) |
| 01:25.15 | Thrae | MetaMap includes AlphaMap, Atlas, and lots and lots of other things |
| 01:25.44 | AnduinLothar | and MapNotes and Sky and a kitchen sink |
| 01:25.55 | Cairenn | no, I meant alphamap replaced atlas in cosmos :p |
| 01:25.57 | Kirov | Where's the latest AceComm? |
| 01:25.57 | AnduinLothar | maybe yatlas |
| 01:26.00 | Cairenn | I meant precisely what I said |
| 01:26.18 | End | last I checked, metamap didn't have the maps that Yatlas has |
| 01:26.23 | maybe | What's the difference? |
| 01:26.26 | End | just the normal static atlas maps |
| 01:26.42 | Thrae | Ahhh |
| 01:26.51 | Thrae | AlphaMap now includes Atlas's maps. |
| 01:27.01 | cogwheel | bah... my server just died :( |
| 01:27.10 | Thrae | Cairenn: It didn't use to, hence my confusion. |
| 01:27.19 | maybe | Oooh: "A ... JCB has broken the diesel engine land speed record after reaching 328.767mph in Utah." |
| 01:27.46 | Legorol | official EU patch up |
| 01:28.06 | maybe | oooh |
| 01:28.17 | Cairenn | but I never said anything about whether or not alphamap had atlas's maps in it, someone else did. I just said that the cosmos team took out atlas and replaced it with alphamap |
| 01:28.32 | maybe | soooooo |
| 01:28.37 | Cairenn | argh, nm, now I'm getting confused too :p |
| 01:28.40 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:28.44 | maybe | What's the difference? |
| 01:28.45 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: I'm surprised you guys picked AlphaMap over MetaMap, I'd think MetaMap would be a better fit for Cosmos as it has its modules LoadOnDemand. |
| 01:29.21 | Cairenn | what's the difference? what's the difference?! are you implying that I'm always confused? huh? are ya? huh? huh? |
| 01:29.45 | AnduinLothar | I think that "Cosmos is Bloated" people would kill me if I added MetaMap |
| 01:30.22 | Legorol | ooooh, the Launcher has a shiny new Options button |
| 01:30.44 | Cairenn | my poor computer, it's absolutely dying, trying to keep up with the demands I'm putting on it today |
| 01:31.01 | Cairenn | ewwww, dried frog? not on your life! |
| 01:31.05 | yeahbutnobut | I love that no-one is actually answering my question :P |
| 01:31.13 | Hexarobi | 42 |
| 01:31.15 | AnduinLothar | besides, he updates on ui.wow he must be nuts |
| 01:31.48 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: The only big difference between AlphaMap and MetaMap is that MetaMap includes its own embedded,updated version of MapNotes, and its own LoD version of AtlasLoot, LoD version of MozzFullWorldMap, and LoD, -working- version of WoWKB. |
| 01:32.15 | AnduinLothar | so um, why would I want all that? |
| 01:32.20 | yeahbutnobut | Yo, doods, what the **** is the ******-******* difference between ******* Alphamap and Atlas. Mon? |
| 01:32.45 | yeahbutnobut | (Patch mirrors: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors) |
| 01:33.13 | Esamynn | brb |
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| 01:34.28 | yeahbutnobut | pain :( |
| 01:35.08 | Thrae | Ahhh, the inclusions in AlphaMap are interesting |
| 01:35.15 | Cairenn | yeahbutnobut: /shrug, I've never used either, so I couldn't tell you ... why not just look the two of them up and compare for yourself? :p |
| 01:35.31 | yeahbutnobut | I'm trying to find somewhere I can find that out! :( |
| 01:35.37 | Thrae | I might make it my 2nd Cosmos addon to include. |
| 01:36.10 | AnduinLothar | inclusions? |
| 01:36.11 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4411 vs http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3896 |
| 01:36.17 | Thrae | But I do think the "AlphaMap Fan" should have called it something other then "AlphaMap", as it now does 124352 things more then just easily making the map transparent and scaling, hehe. |
| 01:37.00 | Cairenn | along with metamap and yatlas and and and: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat24.html |
| 01:37.14 | AnduinLothar | He added on to the code. I could say the same thing about TellTrack |
| 01:37.48 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: Back when I first looked at AlphaMap a long time ago, it just allowed you to easily scale and change the alpha of the world map. |
| 01:38.03 | yeahbutnobut | Thanks Cairenn :) |
| 01:38.12 | AnduinLothar | that's a different Addon :P And i used it then too for a while |
| 01:38.12 | Cairenn | ~sigh yeahbutnobut |
| 01:38.14 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "yeahbutnobut!" |
| 01:38.18 | Cairenn | you're welcome :p |
| 01:38.32 | AnduinLothar | But I found that I never used atlas |
| 01:38.34 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: The AlphaMap I remember was around even before BGs |
| 01:38.40 | yeahbutnobut | hehe, purl's becoming a chav |
| 01:38.41 | AnduinLothar | i know |
| 01:38.49 | AnduinLothar | and then stopped ebing updated and broke |
| 01:38.53 | Thrae | Right |
| 01:39.26 | AnduinLothar | So when I found it being updated and that i could include it and also get rid of another mod i was stoked |
| 01:39.52 | AnduinLothar | and the author responded possitively and now maintains it himself in the Cosmos svn |
| 01:39.59 | Rallion | so how's everybody liking the patch, since I'm not gonna get a chance to play for a couple days? |
| 01:40.13 | yeahbutnobut | I'm 33% enjoying it |
| 01:40.21 | Thrae | I just think he should rename it, that's all, since it's such a huge update over the old AlphaMap. |
| 01:40.22 | yeahbutnobut | Oooh, 34% |
| 01:40.25 | Rallion | lol |
| 01:40.26 | End | can't do instance right now on my server |
| 01:40.32 | End | it's all bugged :( |
| 01:40.44 | AnduinLothar | I see no reason to change the name if the previosu one isn't being updated |
| 01:40.52 | Rallion | my friend said that apparently all queues on his server spontaneously cleared |
| 01:40.59 | Thrae | Calling it "AlphaMap (Fan's Update)" doesn't do justice to how much it's changed. He should go out, make a name for himself. |
| 01:41.28 | AnduinLothar | New author, he used previous popularity. same way I got into addons |
| 01:41.30 | dreadlyone | my servers crashed 6 times and has been down for almost an hour since the last "shutdown" 0_o |
| 01:41.33 | Thrae | Well, that depends on if he gets permission from the original author. |
| 01:41.49 | AnduinLothar | new author is unreachable and likely doesn't care |
| 01:41.52 | AnduinLothar | old* |
| 01:41.53 | Thrae | Yeah, I did that too for my 1st mod, but not so for my second mod. |
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| 01:43.30 | yeahbutnobut | I do wonder what happened to the author of Titan Panel |
| 01:43.38 | Thrae | ckknight killed him. |
| 01:43.43 | yeahbutnobut | He left such a huge legacy |
| 01:43.44 | AnduinLothar | prolly |
| 01:43.59 | ckknight | Thrae, with ninjas. |
| 01:44.15 | nobutyeahbut | You killed him with Thrae and ninjas? |
| 01:44.21 | Nightdew | i need to fake a SPELLCAST_START |
| 01:44.25 | Nightdew | how to go best about that |
| 01:44.31 | AnduinLothar | IsCasting |
| 01:44.33 | Nightdew | in fact .. i dont even have to trigger the event |
| 01:44.41 | Kaelten | is anyone having a problem with their leatherowrking not showing up properly |
| 01:44.50 | nobutyeahbut | (want to know how to faek something? Ask a woman, fnar fnar fnar) |
| 01:44.55 | Nightdew | just call the event handler.. how do you do that with those arguments..? |
| 01:45.00 | nobutyeahbut | *fake, dammit |
| 01:45.20 | AnduinLothar | why do you need to fake it? |
| 01:45.39 | nobutyeahbut | Well, the man might not ... ah, not me :P |
| 01:45.59 | Nightdew | can always reroute the handler to a method and call that method i know |
| 01:46.08 | Nightdew | actually i just wanne know the answer lol |
| 01:46.13 | AnduinLothar | why? |
| 01:46.45 | Nightdew | cause i think it is the key to world peace? |
| 01:46.53 | AnduinLothar | i dissagree |
| 01:46.55 | Thrae | The new AlphaMap uses ~2MB, that's not bad for its 1st major release. Need to see how it does in BGs. |
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| 01:47.30 | nobutyeahbut | First major release? |
| 01:47.40 | nobutyeahbut | Looks to me like it's been out for quite some time .... |
| 01:47.41 | AnduinLothar | not really |
| 01:47.47 | AnduinLothar | yes no |
| 01:48.05 | nobutyeahbut | nobutyeahbut? |
| 01:48.17 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 01:48.34 | Thrae | Version 2 has been out for about a month, that's a long time compared to the last "Fan Update" of 3 months |
| 01:49.25 | nobutyeahbut | Legorol, have you enjoyed looking at the shiny new options button? |
| 01:49.35 | Thrae | The additions in Version 2 add in a LOT of more overhead, hence I said ~2MB isn't too bad for only 1 month filled with probably mostly bug fixes. |
| 01:49.42 | nobutyeahbut | I've been admiring the EULA and TOU |
| 01:50.37 | Kirkburn|maybe | I'm thinking of screenshotting the version number, and printing and framing it, then staring at the empty realms list now |
| 01:51.54 | Kirkburn|maybe | I might click through all the server language tabs, then perhaps follow that excitement with, I don't know, sleep. |
| 01:52.00 | jaxdahl | SCT is screwy |
| 01:52.22 | jaxdahl | Hammer of Wrath spammed about 20 times during bug family for some reason right about when kri died |
| 01:52.55 | Thrae | Try MSBT. |
| 01:53.02 | Kirkburn|maybe | zomg, wow model viewer is discontinued??! |
| 01:53.21 | Thrae | A newer version of SCT can also be found at http://www.wowace.com in the Ace2 section of the forums. |
| 01:54.08 | Cairenn | that's the same version that is on wowi |
| 01:54.10 | dreadlyone | he released 5.0 on the typical ui sites also |
| 01:54.16 | Thrae | Ah, OK. |
| 01:54.38 | Kirkburn|maybe | Where's the Cosmos one, eh? :) |
| 01:55.03 | Thrae | Yeah I was just thinking if Cosmos currently includes SCT. |
| 01:55.12 | Kirkburn|maybe | (it does) |
| 01:56.22 | AnduinLothar | Cosmos's sct is still the previous version |
| 01:56.24 | Thrae | Yeah I knew it used to, haven't checked recently. What will happen to Cosmos if they include the updated SCT? It -does- have less errors and should be slimmer. |
| 01:57.29 | Thrae | None of which really has anything to do with it using Ace2. |
| 01:57.46 | Kirkburn|maybe | Ah. |
| 01:57.57 | Thrae | Well, Ace2 might slim it down a little, but most of its improvements are from the original code. |
| 01:58.02 | Kirkburn|maybe | Embedded of course? |
| 01:58.16 | AnduinLothar | I doubt we will be including it much longer. If we were going to include Ace2 it wouldn't be embedded and since I'm fairly sure no one will volenteer to maintain Ace2 in the Cosmos svn that wont fly. |
| 01:58.55 | Kirkburn|maybe | Given that it's partially in the UI now, I would say removing it seems best |
| 01:59.15 | AnduinLothar | I'm hopign someone wil make a mod that enhances the builtin one |
| 01:59.27 | AnduinLothar | similar to what EasyRaid does for the raid frames |
| 02:00.25 | Hexarobi | how could u name an addon EasyRaid and not EasyRaider |
| 02:00.47 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: You don't need to worry about maintaining a copy of Ace2 in the Cosmos SVN, you're using SVN, just link to the Ace2 SVN as an External. |
| 02:00.51 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, externals? |
| 02:00.53 | Tain | The scrolling text in the base UI is pretty poor though. |
| 02:01.22 | Thrae | I've seen the scrolling text in the base UI on the PTR and now release and I still like SCT / MSBT a LOT more. |
| 02:01.49 | jaxdahl | thrae |
| 02:01.53 | jaxdahl | i'm using sct 5.0 |
| 02:01.54 | Tain | Yeah. I haven't actually tried the new SCT yet, been using MSBT which I liked a lot better than how SCT Was. |
| 02:02.08 | jaxdahl | i'll try that |
| 02:02.12 | AnduinLothar | It's not a matter of including it. If that's all we wanted we could svn external the entirety of ace |
| 02:02.17 | jaxdahl | also, spellalert is showing %s in some emotes for some reason |
| 02:02.36 | jaxdahl | spellalert for sct, in particular |
| 02:02.38 | AnduinLothar | We don't want to add addons that don't come with a person |
| 02:02.50 | Thrae | Considering all the people that use Cosmos -now-, I'd expect your users would rather keep SCT then use Blizzard's version, as that would change their perspective too much. |
| 02:02.59 | Tain | People are just baggage. |
| 02:03.09 | AnduinLothar | someone to be in contact with, someone to read the forums, someone who is an active community member |
| 02:03.17 | Gryphen | im switching to blizzards personally |
| 02:03.22 | AnduinLothar | we dont jsut add miscilanious addons randomly |
| 02:03.36 | Tain | Can't just be adding addons all willy nilly. |
| 02:03.50 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: grayhoof was never an active community member of Cosmos? |
| 02:03.54 | Gryphen | unless AnduinLothar likes them that is |
| 02:03.57 | Gryphen | lol |
| 02:04.29 | AnduinLothar | not helping gryphon |
| 02:04.32 | Kirkburn|maybe | :P |
| 02:04.34 | Gryphen | no, and it was added willy nilly by a not so active cosmos member |
| 02:04.49 | AnduinLothar | who added sct anyway? |
| 02:05.02 | Gryphen | thott, cause it was 'cool' |
| 02:05.05 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 02:05.07 | AnduinLothar | ah right |
| 02:05.14 | AnduinLothar | what was that 1.6? |
| 02:05.21 | Gryphen | ya quite a while ago |
| 02:05.41 | AnduinLothar | yeah. he didn't really ask anyone. It was popular so he added it |
| 02:06.04 | AnduinLothar | We have since revised our methods of inclusion |
| 02:06.38 | AnduinLothar | atlas author wasn't active either, which is why i don't feel bad replacing it |
| 02:06.42 | Thrae | Well I can see removing an addon from a compliation because its developer isn't a part of your compliation development's community, that makes sense. I just thought you were saying you would not include an addon that uses an -embedded- library maintained by someone not in the Cosmos community. |
| 02:06.59 | AnduinLothar | Some of both |
| 02:07.15 | AnduinLothar | sct author isn't part of the comunity and neither are the ace2 authors |
| 02:07.31 | Gryphen | lol |
| 02:07.41 | Tain | Don't drink the KoolAde! |
| 02:07.42 | Gryphen | im not part of the community either |
| 02:07.46 | Gryphen | im a ghost |
| 02:07.56 | AnduinLothar | you do web stuff you dont count |
| 02:08.02 | AnduinLothar | and we like you |
| 02:08.17 | Gryphen | dang |
| 02:08.28 | AnduinLothar | unfortunet, eh? |
| 02:08.35 | Gryphen | ya |
| 02:08.37 | Thrae | Ace2 is just embeddable libraries though. If the actual addon author is part of your community, what does it matter what libraries they use? They're embeddable, they could just strip out the stub code and embed it statically into their addon, then it would be a part of their addon statically. I don't see the difference. |
| 02:09.36 | Thrae | That's like saying "We don't approve of Ace2 coding structure in Cosmos addons, period. You can use anything else, just not Ace2-like coding structures." |
| 02:09.43 | Tain | Just look at the Ace theme song. |
| 02:09.55 | Tain | Alright stop! Collaborate and listen! Ace is back with a brand new invention |
| 02:10.14 | Kyahx | Tain...no |
| 02:10.18 | Kyahx | just no |
| 02:10.20 | Gryphen | AnduinLothar you figure out why atlas is still in the zip? |
| 02:10.21 | Gryphen | :p |
| 02:12.03 | Tain | Can't touch Ace. Doo do doo doo do do doo doo can't touch ACe |
| 02:12.25 | Cairenn | ... |
| 02:12.53 | Thrae | Tain: You gave me a picture of Rowne singing "Do do dee do dee do Just Ace It do do dee do dee do Just Ace It" |
| 02:13.15 | ckknight | I came at the end of Rowne's reign |
| 02:13.33 | Esamynn | sigh, my server is still down :( |
| 02:14.03 | AnduinLothar | must be your fault, Gryphen |
| 02:14.06 | Thrae | Rowne was one of the more fanactical, outspoken ones that wanted to Ace everything that was included in Cosmos, Ace'ing all of Cosmos's libraries first. |
| 02:15.12 | AnduinLothar | noooooooo. i coulda double ranked |
| 02:15.23 | AnduinLothar | i got 50k... .if i had got 55k i woulda hit knight |
| 02:15.34 | Kaelten | I liked rowne all in all but sadly I think some of his acts reflected negatively on the community |
| 02:15.52 | Tain | I don't know, Rowne was pretty prolific with new addons as well as taking some ideas of other addons and rewriting them with Ace. |
| 02:16.26 | ckknight | he told me that hooking WorldFrame's OnUpdate was better than making my own frame |
| 02:16.26 | Thrae | I respected him too, it's just he was rather "outspoken". |
| 02:16.31 | Tain | The problem was that people allowed the idea that Rowne represented Ace to propigate. |
| 02:18.33 | Thrae | ckknight: It isn't? I thought the basic idea of AceEvent was to reduce multiple OnEvent pushes down from WoW down to 1, so shouldn't the same for OnUpdate be better? Like using Metrognome / AceEvent + timer instead of your own OnUpdate script? |
| 02:18.58 | ckknight | Thrae, hooking WorldFrame's OnUpdate was bad. |
| 02:19.11 | ckknight | it was more about the hooking than anything |
| 02:19.17 | Tain | Yeah you don't really want to hook anyone's onupate. |
| 02:19.19 | Thrae | Although I don't see much point hooking WorldFrame's OnUpdate itself |
| 02:19.22 | ckknight | using AceEvent is nice and fast, cause it doen't use hacks. |
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| 02:24.27 | Cairenn | Tem|AFK: he answered |
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| 02:27.25 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 02:27.46 | Cairenn | wb Qzot |
| 02:33.43 | Qzot | Anyone willing to stare at 10 lines af lua, and show me a bug? And if so, what's the name of that upload site? |
| 02:33.59 | MentalPower_ | yes, wowi.pastey.net |
| 02:35.33 | Cairenn | well, the addy is there, but MP kindly gave it to you :) |
| 02:35.56 | Cairenn | (for info) |
| 02:36.20 | Qzot | http://wowi.pastey.net/367 |
| 02:36.51 | Qzot | I know. I can see it in both places. But *sigh* I don't ever pay attention to anything in the topic, because of how deeply it gets buried. |
| 02:37.26 | Qzot | Re: http://wowi.pastey.net/367 the asserts are there for debugging, and the 2nd one is being caught. I can't see how that could happen. |
| 02:37.56 | ckknight | I see the issue, Qzot |
| 02:38.01 | Qzot | Great. |
| 02:38.12 | ckknight | line 11 |
| 02:38.22 | ckknight | should be return v1.n < v2.n |
| 02:38.49 | Qzot | True enough. |
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| 02:39.07 | Qzot | But still, passing me a nil value? |
| 02:39.49 | ckknight | Qzot, I understand it |
| 02:40.03 | ckknight | basically, you were returning true every time |
| 02:40.11 | Qzot | Yes. I agree. And... |
| 02:40.14 | ckknight | the way sort works, you'd run into nil |
| 02:40.26 | ckknight | just change it, your problems will go away. |
| 02:40.59 | Qzot | That would seem to imply that sort makes redundant tests. |
| 02:41.11 | ckknight | maybe |
| 02:41.24 | ckknight | I don't know, precisely |
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| 02:43.04 | Qzot | With most sorts -- as I understand them, at least -- the efficency of the sort is based on the algorithm embedding some transitive property. |
| 02:43.42 | MentalPower | who was it that just posted a pastey for me to look at? |
| 02:44.15 | Qzot | I just posted one, but ckknight found the problem already. |
| 02:46.06 | jaxdahl | is /rw not showing up on the screen anymore for anyone? |
| 02:46.16 | jaxdahl | ./rs is still working with ctra |
| 02:48.35 | MentalPower | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.45 | Cairenn | clad|sleep: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=435617&p=1&tmp=1#post435617 if you are actually still awake |
| 02:50.04 | jaxdahl | mental, must be an addon screwing it i suppose |
| 02:50.12 | jaxdahl | oh, it's showing again nvm |
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| 02:52.54 | MentalPower | can anyone check if they can login to Alleria? |
| 02:53.12 | MentalPower | all of my chars are getting sent back to the char select screen after the loading bar finishes |
| 02:53.51 | Qzot | Wow. Sort is *really* picky. |
| 02:54.05 | Cairenn | MentalPower: probably that particular continent down |
| 02:54.11 | Qzot | Changing from "<" to "<=" causes it to pass me a nil value. |
| 02:54.50 | Cairenn | MentalPower: I had the same problem earlier ... logged on a char on the other continent - np |
| 02:54.53 | MentalPower | Cairenn: good catch |
| 02:54.58 | MentalPower | that was it |
| 02:55.28 | Qzot | O.M.G. |
| 02:55.34 | wereHamster | if I do "TargetUnit(...) CastSpell(...) TargetLasttarget()", will UnitName("target") in the SPELLCAST_START event handler return the 'wrong' unit name? |
| 02:56.09 | Qzot | You guys hear about the AOL 'sanitized' search query database that they released? (And later retracted...) |
| 02:56.43 | MentalPower | wereHamster: yes |
| 02:56.59 | Qzot | You wouldn't believe THE #1 search query entered by AOL users. |
| 02:57.02 | MentalPower | SPELLCAST_START is fired once the server confirms that you can cast the spell |
| 02:57.12 | Cairenn | oh yes we would, but go ahead and tell us anyway |
| 02:57.20 | Qzot | "google" :D |
| 02:57.25 | Cairenn | oh |
| 02:57.27 | MentalPower | lol |
| 02:57.31 | Cairenn | rofl, you're right, we wouldn't |
| 02:57.40 | Cairenn | hahahahaha |
| 02:57.55 | Qzot | I'm only looking at 10% of the data, but it's probably good enough. |
| 02:58.34 | Dolby-wowi | yeah i also read that one user kept searching on how to kill his wife |
| 02:59.01 | Qzot | http://wowi.pastey.net/368 |
| 02:59.03 | wereHamster | MentalPower, I so hate hooking functions, but it's necessary to get any spellcasting code right, and I don't understand why blizz doesn't add a new arg to SPELLCAST_START that would hold the spell target.. |
| 03:00.44 | Thrae | I think there's a library out called like SpellStatus which centralizes the hooking process. |
| 03:01.25 | Qzot | Apparently, AOL users save their sex queries for google and yahoo. :P |
| 03:02.07 | AnduinLothar | wereHamster> IsCasting has that information |
| 03:05.26 | Qzot | More people search for "gogle" than "prom dresses". |
| 03:05.50 | Thrae | Do you mean "google", or a mis-spelling? |
| 03:05.57 | MentalPower | lol, Alleria's Kalimdor just crashed |
| 03:06.08 | Qzot | The mis-spelling. |
| 03:06.11 | MentalPower | which means that there's no place for people to go |
| 03:07.44 | Qzot | Eek. It looks to me that more than half of all search queries are for a URL. -.- |
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| 03:21.01 | gutano | who do I have to move to change the anchor of Player/Target Debuffs/buffs.... they seem to reposition back to start on many different events (I'm sure this is to shuffle buffs to the bottom or something) |
| 03:23.18 | AnduinLothar | look at how MobileFrames does it |
| 03:25.24 | chuckg | Standalone? |
| 03:25.26 | chuckg | =D |
| 03:26.10 | gutano | thanks... I was just looking at the lua for target.... it staticaly calls SetPoint("TOPLEFT", "TargetFrame", "BOTTOMLEFT", 5, 32) .... and some others in different situations... (my undersnding is blizzard AddOns cannot be overloaded.?) |
| 03:27.57 | gutano | AnduinLothar: *also unpacking mobileframs* |
| 03:37.18 | MentalPower | restarting PC, brb |
| 03:43.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newbgbz4.jpg |
| 03:43.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 03:44.10 | jaxdahl | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.18 | Qzot | Rebooting. |
| 03:44.27 | Qzot | The area east of the western kingdoms. |
| 03:44.30 | sancus | eastern kingdoms 101 huh |
| 03:44.31 | sancus | rofl |
| 03:44.39 | Qzot | Seriously: The eastern continent. |
| 03:44.47 | Qzot | As opposed to Kalimdor, the western continent. |
| 03:45.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | also known as azeroth in previous games |
| 03:45.06 | Qzot | bbl |
| 03:45.13 | Cairenn | later Qzot |
| 03:48.33 | Cairenn | sancus, baby, you could only wish I'd slap you |
| 03:50.17 | Cairenn | <3 norgs |
| 03:50.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | bahh |
| 03:51.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | kalimdor has been down for almost an hour now |
| 03:51.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | >:[ |
| 03:51.47 | annagron | they got network problems by the sounds of it |
| 03:52.54 | annagron | additional network traffic from the battleground's causing problems i'd expect. |
| 03:53.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | the funny thing is |
| 03:53.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | they did a hardware upgrade on our server last night |
| 03:53.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | and its still having fits |
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| 04:05.17 | MentalPower | GNight folks |
| 04:06.56 | Cairenn | night MentalPower, sweet dreams |
| 04:10.38 | Cairenn | waaaahhhhhh |
| 04:10.43 | Cairenn | I hate stupid people! |
| 04:10.46 | Cairenn | *cries* |
| 04:11.28 | Cairenn | welcome back Iriel :) |
| 04:11.29 | Thrae | Cairenn, are you reading WoW's forums on Patch Day? You know the Surgeon General warns about that. |
| 04:11.58 | Iriel | stale french bread, with a nail in the end |
| 04:12.03 | Cairenn | mmmmmm |
| 04:12.21 | Iriel | Take 'em out, all of them. |
| 04:12.41 | Cairenn | take your pick, I've got two threads in particular atm |
| 04:13.22 | Thrae | Is there a piece of bread you can wield off-hand, or is that only for NPCs? |
| 04:15.07 | Thrae | Thottbot doesn't have it...darn. I know there's an Off-Hand Fish. |
| 04:16.06 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:16.33 | Cairenn | ~whaleslap stupidusers |
| 04:16.39 | purl | ACTION beats stupidusers upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 04:20.31 | Cairenn | <3 Iriel |
| 04:20.49 | Cairenn | hahahhahahahaha |
| 04:22.07 | Cairenn | oh thank you Iriel, I needed that |
| 04:22.21 | Iriel | You're welcome, glad it satisfied 8-) *wink* |
| 04:22.34 | Cairenn | *weg* |
| 04:41.26 | Iriel | Anyone else here running on an Athlon 64? |
| 04:41.46 | Iriel | debugprofilestop seems completely broken on mine, and i'd like some verification |
| 04:43.40 | Thrae | Iriel: Using 64-bit drivers + OS? If not, then I can be of assistance. |
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| 04:46.14 | Iriel | Thrae : 32 bit WinXP Professional |
| 04:46.33 | Iriel | Thrae : My test is /script debugprofilestart() message(debugprofilestop()) |
| 04:46.43 | Iriel | It'd be interesting to have a couple of people try that actually |
| 04:47.06 | Iriel | (Actually the proper test is a bit more complex than that but that SHOULD be a good start) |
| 04:48.28 | Thrae | Hmm I'm getting <unknown>:<string>, lemme try again, maybe I made a typo. |
| 04:49.04 | Cairenn | 0.00043337819894374 |
| 04:49.10 | Cairenn | that's what I got :p |
| 04:49.17 | Iriel | A more compelx test would be something like: /script _,X,Y,R=debugprofilestart(),function()for i=1,100000 Z=(Z or 1)+1 end end,debugprofilestop R=S() X() R=R.."/"..S() message(R) |
| 04:49.27 | Iriel | Cairenn : That's what i'd expect for a normal result |
| 04:49.33 | Iriel | That's what I used to get on my P4 |
| 04:49.52 | Iriel | Dammit, that longer script has a typo, one mo |
| 04:50.05 | Iriel | Corrected: /script _,X,S,R=debugprofilestart(),function()for i=1,100000 Z=(Z or 1)+1 end end,debugprofilestop R=S() X() R=R.."/"..S() message(R) |
| 04:50.36 | Cairenn | [string "_.X.U.R=debugprofilestart(),function()for i=1,100000 Z=(Z or 1)..."]:1: 'do' expected near 'Z" with the typo :p |
| 04:50.56 | Iriel | Oh, yeah |
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| 04:51.03 | Iriel | Corrected: /script _,X,S,R=debugprofilestart(),function()for i=1,100000 do Z=(Z or 1)+1 end end,debugprofilestop R=S() X() R=R.."/"..S() message(R) |
| 04:51.06 | Cairenn | same message |
| 04:51.25 | Iriel | That'll teach me to try writing script in an IRC window 8-) |
| 04:51.34 | Cairenn | and that one had me /say it :p |
| 04:52.04 | Thrae | Ah OK, figured out my error was from a different addon. |
| 04:52.21 | Thrae | Iriel: I have Althon XP + XP Pro myself, and I get 0.00056511... |
| 04:52.26 | Thrae | Err |
| 04:52.35 | Thrae | s/Althon XP/Althon 64/ |
| 04:52.41 | Iriel | Dual core |
| 04:52.42 | Iriel | ? |
| 04:52.50 | Thrae | No Dual Core =/ |
| 04:52.56 | Iriel | I dont know their processor line well enough to know if that's a redundant question |
| 04:52.58 | Cairenn | no dual here either |
| 04:53.02 | Iriel | Ah, that may be the magic ingredient then |
| 04:53.06 | Cairenn | or at least, not that I can tell |
| 04:53.47 | Thrae | If you have a processor that supports 32-bit and 64-bits, isn't that already semi dual-core? |
| 04:53.51 | Cairenn | lol, standing in the moonwell by Starbreeze village and /say that last script ... glad there was no one around ;) |
| 04:54.03 | Iriel | Thrae : No 8-) |
| 04:54.30 | Thrae | Iriel: So you have Althon 64 Dual Core? |
| 04:54.33 | Iriel | I get '673' when I run the test |
| 04:55.40 | Iriel | ack |
| 04:55.48 | Iriel | AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Windsor 2000MHz HT Socket AM2 Dual Core Processor |
| 04:55.55 | Iriel | (Sent that to the wrong window first, oops) |
| 04:56.46 | Cairenn | AMD Anthlon 64 Processor 3200+ 2.20GHz |
| 04:57.55 | Thrae | I have Cairenn's processor, and I get 0.00029628../17.1332293.. |
| 04:58.13 | Thrae | This is with 0 other addons. |
| 04:58.22 | Iriel | Thrae : That's about right then |
| 04:58.42 | Cairenn | I've got other mods installed and enabled |
| 04:59.39 | Thrae | I think my next processor will be an Intel Dual Core, Triple Core, or whatever they have, as I believe it'll be some time before I can switch away from a Windows gaming machine. |
| 04:59.46 | kergoth | Iriel: i'm getting the behavior you are, with my 4200+ x2 am2 |
| 04:59.53 | kergoth | Iriel: just got 978 or so |
| 04:59.58 | Thrae | I only got an Althon because Pentium 4 sucked really hard. |
| 05:00.10 | Cairenn | definitely sounding like the "problem" is the dual-core |
| 05:00.14 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:02.53 | Iriel | kergoth : Does quitting the game from the login screen crash your OS too kergoth? |
| 05:03.01 | Iriel | Because that's another fun thing i've got going for me now |
| 05:03.22 | Thrae | HyperThreading + Dual-Core is beating AMD right now, though AMD came out with Quad-Core processors. |
| 05:03.33 | Iriel | It doesn't do it immediately, but mouse and keyboard input stop working, the cursor starts moving jerkily, and then shotly after the machine goes 'beep' and the cursor locks up |
| 05:03.36 | kergoth | Iriel: nope, but i'm also in linux |
| 05:03.40 | Thrae | Iriel: kergoth only runs through Linux |
| 05:04.02 | kergoth | i was on windows for the past couple weeks, actually, but i switched back when i put this new box together yesterday :) |
| 05:04.52 | Thrae | Although dual-core Athlons perform better the less applications you have running |
| 05:05.26 | Iriel | I keep hopping back and forth between intel and AMD, it more or less depends on the price and motherboards at the time |
| 05:05.27 | Thrae | I don't know if it matters for Linux, which has faaaaaaar better threading then Windows. |
| 05:05.52 | Iriel | Linux gets whichever machines are no longer good enough for windows games |
| 05:06.00 | Thrae | Heh |
| 05:06.28 | Iriel | Currently my oldest running one is a PII/400 |
| 05:06.38 | Thrae | I usually try to just sell my old gaming boxes to the poor and needy! |
| 05:06.54 | Cairenn | I donate 'em to the local schools |
| 05:07.09 | Iriel | By the time systems drop off the end of my chain they're generally good for nobody |
| 05:07.18 | Cairenn | (when I've got spare computers, ha ha ha) |
| 05:07.26 | Iriel | though my co-workers eat up any components I have left over |
| 05:08.26 | Thrae | I've mostly sold my old gaming boxes to family, who update once every 10 years. |
| 05:09.29 | Iriel | my family is all in another country so that doesn't work out well for me |
| 05:09.36 | Iriel | but it would be an excellent option if it were feasible |
| 05:09.48 | Thrae | Just put a note on there "Not a bomb" and you get free shipping! |
| 05:10.57 | Thrae | I only have 1 Linux box I'm using right now (which I'm typing on right now), it's a Dual P3 I bought myself for only $83 for board+CPUs. I wanted to consolidate my servers to save energy costs. |
| 05:11.50 | Thrae | Runs like a dream on only 300W. |
| 05:12.06 | Iriel | Thank god, someone locked the inspect range thread |
| 05:12.50 | Iriel | I'm torn between keeping 2 servers for isolation (one is my firewall/router) and merging for space and power. |
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| 05:14.02 | Thrae | Iriel: Yeah I had the same problem, my old firewall/router was an ancient 233MHz K6-2 running Slackware on a 500MB HDD. But then I realized that its CPU stayed around 1% all the time, I didn't need near that much power, and it used a wopping 200W PSU. |
| 05:14.27 | Iriel | Thrae : What was its actual power draw? |
| 05:14.44 | Thrae | Iriel: Then I bought a Linksys WRT54GL (note the L) which uses 40W and has wireless support. |
| 05:15.16 | Thrae | Ooold motherboard, usually drew most of the 200W I believe |
| 05:16.11 | Thrae | The Linksys WRT54GL runs Linux and is easily flashable to OpenWRT or another freeware distro for routers. I put Shorewall on it and I am liking it a LOT. |
| 05:17.10 | Iriel | My UPS is drawing about 420W right now, but that's got 2 servers and my games box upstream of it |
| 05:17.41 | Iriel | And it drops to 380W if I close the guild wars login screen |
| 05:18.12 | Iriel | (the wow login screen makes the same difference) |
| 05:18.46 | Thrae | What happens if all computers inexplicably run at full speed? |
| 05:18.48 | kergoth | good ole wrt. nice boxes, those. i remember at one OLS, we got a bzflag server running on one |
| 05:19.03 | Iriel | the 2nd (of 4) light goes on on the UPS, I suppose |
| 05:19.36 | Iriel | it's a dedicated 15 A circuit, so it's got some room |
| 05:19.39 | Thrae | Yeah, that's why I like to make sure the servers I want to keep online will never go above the UPS threshold. |
| 05:19.58 | Iriel | the UPS is 1.5KW rated |
| 05:20.12 | Iriel | so I should be good, that exceeds the combined PSU capacity of the 3 machines |
| 05:20.14 | Thrae | Ahh, that's nice, mine's only 500W |
| 05:20.37 | Thrae | Do you live in the US? |
| 05:20.56 | Iriel | Indeed I do |
| 05:21.12 | Iriel | Northern california - thus the UPS'es |
| 05:21.16 | Iriel | Never needed them before here |
| 05:21.41 | Iriel | Interesting, 3Dmark06 takes the load up to 480W |
| 05:21.48 | Thrae | Well I live in Maryland, where changes to rate caps caused my house's electric bill to skyrocket by 40% |
| 05:22.11 | Iriel | my A/C is electric, and that outweighs the computers any day during the summer |
| 05:22.54 | Thrae | I'm not Mr. Moneybags, every saved watt counts |
| 05:23.08 | Iriel | Without the games machine on at all, it's only 220W, not as bad. |
| 05:23.21 | Thrae | Or does your electric company use some sort of "bracket" system? |
| 05:23.33 | Iriel | no, they just pillage my bank account every summer |
| 05:23.50 | Iriel | they're apparently going to give us all a credit in october (right when people dont need A/C anymore) |
| 05:23.54 | kergoth | where you at, Iriel? |
| 05:24.18 | Iriel | SF Bay Area, inland though, where it gets fairly hot |
| 05:24.30 | Iriel | (though not central valley hot) |
| 05:25.04 | Thrae | Hey, there were some months I canceled WoW because I knew I wasn't going to play it that much. I have debts to pay off. Not big debts, but debts all the same. |
| 05:25.17 | Thrae | Every penny saved counts. |
| 05:25.22 | Iriel | http://www.city-data.com/city/Walnut-Creek-California.html |
| 05:25.53 | Thrae | And using Linux on a Linksys router is pretty cool, I consider that like saving at least $40 just right there because Linux on a small device is cool. |
| 05:25.59 | Iriel | I paid off all my debts right around when I turned 30, and have managed so far to keep it that way (the mortgage doesn't count, equity and all that) |
| 05:26.30 | Iriel | When this old machine finally kicks it, the idea of a tiny almost embedded device for its functions is VERY appealing though. |
| 05:27.14 | kergoth | linux on small devices is cool indeed |
| 05:27.22 | Thrae | The main reason the Linux Linksys appealed to me is that I like to stroll around the house with my laptop wirelessly, and buying a bridge / AP would be about as expensive. |
| 05:28.33 | Iriel | Wireless is a delight, that's for sure |
| 05:28.50 | Thrae | kergoth, I'm sure you've heard of the Linksys v5 models, right? |
| 05:29.03 | Iriel | Though I need work to get it, they're lagging seriously behind the times |
| 05:29.33 | Thrae | Business wireless is a huge security headache to jump into |
| 05:30.00 | Iriel | They've built out all of the security infrastructre |
| 05:30.05 | Iriel | the floors with the C level execs have it |
| 05:30.13 | Thrae | Find me a business park, and I'll find you at least 1 open AP |
| 05:30.17 | Iriel | Unfortunately for me, that's 5 floors up in the adjacent building. |
| 05:30.32 | Iriel | There's 3 AP's visible from my office (I suspect at least one from Linden Labs next door), but they're all closed. |
| 05:30.48 | Thrae | Ah right, the execs -- yeah that's usually the types who would buy a $5 wireless router and hook it up themselves because they "need wireless" |
| 05:31.13 | Iriel | Indeed, we've had contractors who think it's okay to just plug in a wireless router in a conference room. |
| 05:31.21 | Iriel | Luckily for us, our networking folks are clueful. |
| 05:31.30 | Thrae | IT contractors or just electricians? |
| 05:31.35 | Iriel | IT contractors |
| 05:31.42 | Thrae | They must be shot. |
| 05:31.53 | Iriel | if I only had the choice. |
| 05:38.34 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.42 | Cairenn | The kiddies are definitely out to play today |
| 05:39.29 | Cairenn | as far as mods go, it's been an easy patch for *not* breaking things, so why are the children all coming out of the woodwork this time round? |
| 05:39.42 | ckknight | UnitName("player") ? |
| 05:39.49 | ckknight | or what have you |
| 05:39.56 | ckknight | that's the only breakage I can think of |
| 05:40.04 | ckknight | oh, and bitlib going to 32-bits |
| 05:40.10 | Cairenn | the problem that showed up for Atlas |
| 05:40.19 | ckknight | which problem is that? |
| 05:40.54 | Cairenn | SetupFullScreenScale(frame) |
| 05:41.10 | Cairenn | it's in the 1.12 changes thread, last page |
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| 05:43.50 | ckknight | Cairenn, got the link handy? |
| 05:44.00 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=412845&p=4 |
| 05:44.11 | ckknight | you're the bestest |
| 05:44.18 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.45 | Laric | ckknight any changes to "UnitName("player")" since you mention it? |
| 05:45.06 | ckknight | Laric, UnitName("guy") now has 2 return values |
| 05:45.12 | ckknight | "name", "realm" |
| 05:45.57 | Thrae | UnitName now has 2 returns when in a raid. |
| 05:53.11 | Iriel | Ok, off now.. have fun everyone, see you all tomorrow. |
| 05:53.34 | Cairenn | sweet dreams Iriel |
| 05:54.07 | Laric | but that shouldnt be any breakage now should it? name = UnitName("player") should work as before right? |
| 05:54.41 | Cairenn | I'm out too, night guys |
| 05:55.10 | Laric | gnite |
| 05:56.55 | Iriel | Laric: Yes, unless you call SomeFunctionThatUsesASecondArgument(UnitName("player") |
| 05:57.27 | Iriel | In those situations, you can just do SomeFunctionThatUsesASecondArgument( (UnitName("player")) ); |
| 05:57.31 | Iriel | Note the extra set of ()'s |
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| 06:03.59 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:04.24 | Cairenn|sleep | hey s|loup |
| 06:04.27 | Cairenn|sleep | happy patch day |
| 06:04.36 | s|loup | thanks ;) |
| 06:04.41 | Cairenn|sleep | ;) |
| 06:05.19 | s|loup | but i could download it yesterday, dont know why it was available 1 day before without patch the servers *???* |
| 06:05.43 | Cairenn|sleep | yeah, that was odd |
| 06:15.36 | s|loup | dont you want to go to bed? |
| 06:15.58 | Cairenn | yes, actually, but seems I'm not going as of yet |
| 06:16.24 | s|loup | not tired? |
| 06:16.30 | Cairenn | very |
| 06:16.40 | s|loup | hm so you have to much to do |
| 06:16.46 | Cairenn | that'd be the one |
| 06:16.53 | s|loup | and the other? |
| 06:17.02 | Cairenn | as in that would be the reason :) |
| 06:17.09 | s|loup | hehe |
| 06:17.43 | AnduinLothar | still? |
| 06:17.52 | Cairenn | still what? |
| 06:17.58 | AnduinLothar | much to do? |
| 06:18.18 | Cairenn | wowi is quiet at the moment |
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| 06:19.36 | Cairenn | evening slouken |
| 06:19.43 | slouken | Hey Cairenn |
| 06:20.00 | slouken | Hey ckknight |
| 06:20.06 | Cairenn | can we slap around the stupid users on the forum, pretty please? |
| 06:20.06 | ckknight | life treating you good? |
| 06:20.13 | slouken | Heh |
| 06:20.16 | slouken | Yep |
| 06:20.24 | slouken | (in that order) |
| 06:20.27 | ckknight | hooray, userslap, ftw |
| 06:20.27 | Cairenn | we can?! oh happy day! |
| 06:20.32 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 06:20.38 | slouken | I'm impressed, no end of the world chicken posts |
| 06:20.44 | ckknight | chicken? |
| 06:20.51 | Cairenn | yeah? come live in my world :p |
| 06:21.03 | slouken | Thanks anyway. :) |
| 06:21.03 | Cairenn | chicken little, the sky is falling |
| 06:21.15 | slouken | What kinds of things are you getting, Cair? |
| 06:21.53 | ckknight | zomg, all my mods are broken today! gief updates plz |
| 06:23.37 | ckknight | (jk) |
| 06:24.54 | Cairenn | that'd be it ckknight ;) |
| 06:25.05 | ckknight | yea. |
| 06:25.08 | Cairenn | except, not so polite nor so coherent |
| 06:25.30 | Cairenn | and there wasn't nearly enough abuse of Blizz, Blizz's mom and Blizz's mom's mom |
| 06:25.31 | ckknight | people still don't know about Load out-of-date addons |
| 06:25.38 | ckknight | lol. |
| 06:25.45 | ckknight | I try to avoid noob posts like those |
| 06:25.56 | ckknight | so I really am just pissing into the wind here guessing |
| 06:26.10 | Cairenn | s'okay ;) |
| 06:26.11 | slouken | Well, good luck everyone... I'm heading out. |
| 06:26.40 | ckknight | and isn't Blizz's mom == Vivendi? |
| 06:26.55 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 06:27.26 | ckknight | slouken never stays long |
| 06:28.19 | Cairenn | he used to, but he's been so frigging busy lately, he's exhausted when he gets home |
| 06:29.03 | ckknight | no doubt |
| 06:29.26 | s|loup | is there a list with addons that have problems with 1.12? |
| 06:29.33 | Cairenn | I mean, check the time, it's 11:30 pacific and he's just getting home now ... |
| 06:29.45 | Cairenn | s|loup: not that I've seen |
| 06:29.46 | s|loup | or addons that need to be updated? |
| 06:29.48 | s|loup | ok |
| 06:29.59 | Cairenn | I just maintain the list of the ones that have been updated |
| 06:30.05 | Cairenn | much shorter list ;) |
| 06:30.10 | s|loup | hehe |
| 06:30.40 | Cairenn | although so far there've been very few complaints, so hopefully not many actually got broken |
| 06:31.38 | AnduinLothar | Cosmos probably did the biggest overhaul to get everything working with Telepathy, and our biggest issue is patcher/server troubles |
| 06:32.17 | AnduinLothar | Cide did a bit to get ctra working |
| 06:32.33 | Cairenn | atlas was broken but is now fixed |
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| 06:33.11 | AnduinLothar | yeah, biggest ui changes were SendAddonMessage and the bg raid changes |
| 06:33.45 | AnduinLothar | most every other change was reverse compat |
| 06:38.08 | Cairenn | didn't blizz open up a place to upload wow movies? can't find the link now |
| 06:38.23 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 06:38.25 | Shadowed | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:API_SendAddonMessage |
| 06:42.22 | s|loup | they just have a agree to cooperation as i think Cairenn |
| 06:42.39 | ckknight | Shadowed, that's why we have ChatThrottleLib |
| 06:42.51 | Shadowed | Doesn't sendaddonmessage still have the if you send too mayn messages you get DC'ed? |
| 06:42.52 | Shadowed | many* |
| 06:43.27 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 06:43.38 | ckknight | yes |
| 06:43.46 | Shadowed | kk |
| 06:43.50 | ckknight | but with proper throttling, it's not an issue |
| 06:44.00 | Shadowed | yeah, i'm working out how to respond |
| 06:45.49 | gutano | wowwiki says "PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED" events don't mean name, level, faction are ready to be queried? What are good (simple) approaches to getting around this? |
| 06:46.50 | Shadowed | Have you tried yet? I was able to use unitname and unitclass without a problem |
| 06:47.14 | gutano | I'm implementing now, just read it while I was figuring out which event to register |
| 06:47.34 | gutano | trying to attach a class icon to the default targetframe =D |
| 06:47.56 | AnduinLothar | works fine |
| 06:48.10 | AnduinLothar | see CLassIcon or Archaeologist |
| 06:48.28 | gutano | thanks |
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| 07:03.44 | Kirov | You can see your own CHAT_MSG_ADDON messages, right? |
| 07:04.04 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 07:05.19 | ckknight | yep |
| 07:05.49 | ckknight | AL, how does Telepathy handle that? AceComm-2.0 just blocks it out when the sender == UnitName("player") |
| 07:06.03 | AnduinLothar | it's not blocked |
| 07:06.09 | ckknight | okay |
| 07:06.12 | AnduinLothar | you may want to recieve your own msgs |
| 07:06.39 | AnduinLothar | I use it for debugging in APB. I use it for normal display in ExtraChannels |
| 07:06.50 | ckknight | hrm, okay |
| 07:07.32 | ckknight | I don't _really_ see how that's better than reacting right then |
| 07:07.58 | ckknight | oh well |
| 07:08.02 | AnduinLothar | you get the effect of the delay |
| 07:08.08 | AnduinLothar | and dont have to write extra code |
| 07:09.06 | ckknight | I suppose. |
| 07:09.26 | ckknight | I think for the general case, receiving your own messages isn't needed |
| 07:09.35 | ckknight | maybe I'll add a setting to let you receive your own messages, though |
| 07:09.52 | AnduinLothar | i dont see why the lib should filter them tho |
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| 07:10.30 | AnduinLothar | the if statement has to go somewhere, it's not like it's any more efficient in the lib, and it's more restrictive imo |
| 07:10.47 | ckknight | well, for AceComm, if I filter em, I don't have to send the message to the addons, I don't have to decode, I don't have to deserialize |
| 07:10.52 | ckknight | therefore it's cheaper to filter |
| 07:10.53 | Cairenn | Laric: you logged just as iriel answered you |
| 07:10.59 | Cairenn | Laric: (01:56:48) Iriel: Laric: Yes, unless you call SomeFunctionThatUsesASecondArgument(UnitName("player") |
| 07:10.59 | Cairenn | (01:57:20) Iriel: In those situations, you can just do SomeFunctionThatUsesASecondArgument( (UnitName("player")) ); |
| 07:10.59 | Cairenn | (01:57:24) Iriel: Note the extra set of ()'s |
| 07:11.09 | ckknight | therefore, it is more efficient |
| 07:11.31 | AnduinLothar | it just requires you to maintain a lsit of who doesn't want it filtered and check that |
| 07:11.43 | Cairenn | (sorry for interrupting you guys, AnduinLothar & ckknight) |
| 07:11.46 | ckknight | no biggie. |
| 07:11.55 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, oh well :-P |
| 07:12.14 | AnduinLothar | bash is owning me |
| 07:12.33 | AnduinLothar | i'm trying to compare two numbers and it's being mean |
| 07:12.43 | AnduinLothar | cept i think they may be strings |
| 07:13.01 | ckknight | if [ "$x" -lt "$y" ]; then echo pwn; fi |
| 07:13.23 | AnduinLothar | hmmm yeah... getting silly rrors |
| 07:14.09 | ckknight | hrm |
| 07:14.39 | AnduinLothar | ahhh |
| 07:14.58 | AnduinLothar | jsut didn't liek raw [ $x -lt $y ]; |
| 07:15.02 | AnduinLothar | needed the quotes |
| 07:16.46 | ckknight | yep. |
| 07:16.56 | ckknight | cause otherwise you might get [ 5 -lt ] |
| 07:16.58 | ckknight | which fucks up |
| 07:17.05 | ckknight | but [ "5" -lt "6" ] works fine |
| 07:17.06 | AnduinLothar | i noticed |
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| 07:17.42 | annagron | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.53 | AnduinLothar | i win |
| 07:18.54 | AnduinLothar | DISTRO_REV=0; svn pg svn:externals "$folderName" | sed "s_^[^ ]*[\t ]*\(-r\([[:digit:]]*\)\)*[\t ]*${SVN_ROOT}.*_\2_" | while read rev; do if [ "$rev" -gt "$DISTRO_REV" ]; then DISTRO_REV=$rev; fi; done |
| 07:19.15 | AnduinLothar | get the highest revisioned svn:external |
| 07:19.36 | annagron | [ken@denominator auctioneer]$ if [ "5" -lt "" ]; then echo Yay; fi |
| 07:19.38 | annagron | bash: [: : integer expression expected |
| 07:19.39 | annagron | [ken@denominator auctioneer]$ if [ "5" -lt "6" ]; then echo Yay; fi |
| 07:19.41 | annagron | Yay |
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| 07:25.04 | Cairenn|sleep | gonna try for real this time |
| 07:25.13 | annagron | good luck! |
| 07:25.37 | Cairenn|sleep | awww, norgs, change your name back, it just doesn't look right this way |
| 07:25.44 | Cairenn|sleep | <3 norgs |
| 07:26.03 | ckknight | lol. |
| 07:26.04 | Kalroth | g'night Cairy :) |
| 07:26.57 | norgs | so much for incognito :p |
| 07:27.08 | Kalroth | and norgs is the cutest name ever, I imagine a fluffy pink teddybear that you can huggle |
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| 07:54.14 | Esamynn | how exactly does one act pink and fluffy??? |
| 07:54.22 | AnduinLothar | ask norgs |
| 07:54.36 | Esamynn | lol |
| 07:58.23 | Esamynn | oh well, I guess I'll just have to keep wondering |
| 07:58.27 | Esamynn | good night all |
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| 08:04.07 | AnduinLothar | how do i check if a variable is a number in bash? |
| 08:04.27 | kergoth | hmm. |
| 08:04.49 | AnduinLothar | so that I don't get "integer expression expected" |
| 08:05.04 | kergoth | what test are you trying to do on it? |
| 08:05.10 | AnduinLothar | -gt |
| 08:06.24 | kergoth | bash is generally smart enough to figure it out, so that error indicates that the string isnt something which can be easily interpreted as an integer (i.e. the empty string, or something equally unexpected). not sure if theres an easy way to check.. hmm |
| 08:07.09 | AnduinLothar | right, i want to skip the comaprison if it's not a number |
| 08:08.05 | kergoth | test $foo -gt 1 2>/dev/null; if [ $? -eq 2 ]; then echo "test failed in an unexpected manner, likely the infamous 'integer expression expected'"; fi |
| 08:08.09 | kergoth | or so |
| 08:08.23 | kergoth | afaik test should normally return 0 or 1 for test success or failure, 2 gets returned when it errors like that |
| 08:08.34 | AnduinLothar | bleh |
| 08:08.55 | AnduinLothar | maybe i should just make it so it's always '' if it's not a # |
| 08:09.13 | kergoth | thatd certainly be easier, then its just a -n or -z |
| 08:09.42 | AnduinLothar | what are those? |
| 08:09.48 | AnduinLothar | (dunno off the top of my head) |
| 08:12.50 | norgs | ${x/[^0-9]/}if [ "x${x//[^0-9]/}" == "x$x" ]; then echo is number; fi |
| 08:12.55 | norgs | er |
| 08:13.00 | norgs | if [ "x${x//[^0-9]/}" == "x$x" ]; then echo is number; fi |
| 08:13.08 | AnduinLothar | oi |
| 08:13.22 | AnduinLothar | gonna go with [ "$rev" -ne "" && "$rev" -gt "$DISTRO_REV" ] |
| 08:13.53 | AnduinLothar | and hope it's never a letter |
| 08:13.56 | norgs | ${x//[^0-9]/} means replace anything thats not a number with nothing |
| 08:14.50 | norgs | and then the comparison checks to see if the replaced number is the same as the original number |
| 08:15.53 | norgs | how are you getting "$rev" -ne "" to not error? |
| 08:17.16 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 08:17.34 | AnduinLothar | it's either a number or an empty string, cause it's coming out of a regex |
| 08:17.39 | norgs | [ken@denominator auctioneer]$ export rev=10 |
| 08:17.41 | norgs | [ken@denominator auctioneer]$ if [ "$rev" -ne "" ]; then echo x is not empty; fi |
| 08:17.42 | norgs | bash: [: : integer expression expected |
| 08:17.58 | AnduinLothar | works here.. |
| 08:18.13 | norgs | you using csh? |
| 08:18.35 | AnduinLothar | bash |
| 08:19.28 | kergoth | you probably want !=, not -ne. -ne is integer comparison, not string comparison |
| 08:19.33 | AnduinLothar | any yes, that script you gave errors |
| 08:19.34 | kergoth | but /shrug |
| 08:19.49 | AnduinLothar | but mine does not.. |
| 08:20.07 | norgs | weird |
| 08:20.24 | norgs | [ken@denominator auctioneer]$ bash --version |
| 08:20.26 | norgs | GNU bash, version 3.1.17(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 08:20.27 | norgs | Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 08:20.29 | AnduinLothar | i'd look at it more, but i already closed the window cause it was working :) |
| 08:20.43 | kergoth | shell scripting is fun, if limited |
| 08:20.52 | AnduinLothar | pain in the ass imo |
| 08:20.58 | AnduinLothar | but availible anywhere |
| 08:22.36 | kergoth | its more annoying if you truly want portability. then you cant use bashisms like the ${} substitution norgs used above, and are relegated to calling out sed |
| 08:22.39 | kergoth | ugly ugly |
| 08:23.07 | AnduinLothar | not really caring about portability atm |
| 08:23.14 | wereHamster | http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/5371/adelleswo9.jpg <= did the alpha version look like this? |
| 08:25.38 | s|loup | lol |
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| 08:33.54 | Kaso | hmm, apparently the Twin emps are in Ruins of A'Q |
| 08:34.01 | AnduinLothar | lol saw that |
| 08:35.50 | Kalroth | poor casual raiders |
| 08:35.53 | Shadowed | where's that? |
| 08:35.57 | Shadowed | where's that said* |
| 08:36.02 | zenzelezz | patch notes |
| 08:36.18 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 08:36.25 | Kaso | They just accidnetly put the twins change under the RAQ heading |
| 08:36.39 | Kalroth | "okay guyz, lets head for Kurinaxx. Oooh cool, new bosses in the courtyard. MT, can you pull them with your bow and see what happens?" |
| 08:36.46 | Shadowed | lol |
| 08:36.52 | zenzelezz | "okay guys, let's head up to Ossi... holy heck, what are those two doing here!?" |
| 08:37.18 | Kalroth | "Hmmm, these doesn't look like the other Anubisaths" |
| 08:38.09 | Laric | I was on the anubisaths for the first time yesterday... nasty buggers |
| 08:38.23 | Kalroth | in AQ20? |
| 08:39.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 08:39.19 | Laric | yep |
| 08:39.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | <zenzelezz> "okay guys, let's head up to Ossi... holy heck, what are those two doing here!?" |
| 08:39.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahahahahaha |
| 08:40.48 | Kalroth | "Ok, everyone get ready, pulling Ossie! .. oops, adds. Someone called Emperor Vek'lor and Emperor Vek'nilash is coming too, we might need to offtank them." |
| 08:41.13 | zenzelezz | "sheep the left one" |
| 08:41.16 | Kalroth | :D |
| 08:41.19 | ckknight | lol. |
| 08:42.00 | Kalroth | That's what Blizzard should do on aprils day. Move around on the bosses. |
| 08:42.10 | ckknight | lol |
| 08:42.14 | Shadowed | they'd never do it though |
| 08:42.14 | ckknight | that'd piss people off. |
| 08:42.14 | Kalroth | Replace General Drakk in UBRS with e.g. Loatheb. |
| 08:42.22 | [Ammo] | happily walking into MC and being greeted by C'Thun vocals |
| 08:42.25 | ckknight | I'd prefer if they just replaced the graphics or something |
| 08:42.36 | [Ammo] | just the vocals will do fine |
| 08:42.36 | ckknight | like replace Onyxia with a Pandaren |
| 08:42.36 | zenzelezz | switch Nefarian and Onyxia |
| 08:42.40 | Kalroth | lol |
| 08:42.58 | zenzelezz | move Ragnaros to RFC |
| 08:43.15 | Kalroth | Move Golemagg to a random giant spawn in MC |
| 08:43.29 | Kalroth | "ok, incoming Molten Giant and Gole .. wha?!" |
| 08:44.06 | Kalroth | Give Patchwerk a soulstone :P |
| 08:44.12 | Shadowed | god no |
| 08:44.24 | Kalroth | Patchwerk dies. |
| 08:44.33 | Kalroth | Patchwerk is ressurected from soulstone. |
| 08:44.40 | zenzelezz | Patchwerk gains Divine Shield. |
| 08:44.47 | Kalroth | hahah, during enrage |
| 08:45.49 | zenzelezz | hm... replace Firemaw, Ebonroc, Flamegor and Vaelastrasz with the world dragons |
| 08:46.51 | Kalroth | That'd be fun, pop Emeriss instead of Flamegor |
| 08:47.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | whaaa |
| 08:47.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | 10v10 in wsg |
| 08:47.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | it says "not enough players" and spits me out and gives me deserter |
| 08:47.16 | zenzelezz | ooh, and replace the Avatar of Hakkar in ST with Hakkar |
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| 08:48.02 | zenzelezz | the forums would be fun if they did all that for a day |
| 08:48.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Kalroth> Replace General Drakk in UBRS with e.g. Loatheb. |
| 08:48.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | razorgore. |
| 08:48.16 | Kalroth | :D |
| 08:48.44 | zenzelezz | Pyroguard Emberseer with Geddon \o/ |
| 08:48.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | same hp and damage as razorgore, just renamed to Gerenal Drikkisath |
| 08:48.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | muahaha |
| 08:49.02 | [Ammo] | Hoggers everywhere all of em |
| 08:49.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | baha |
| 08:49.11 | [Ammo] | "lets raid hogger", 'WHICH one?!' |
| 08:51.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | change vancleef into kel'thuzad |
| 08:51.51 | zenzelezz | or Ras |
| 08:51.51 | [Ammo] | naah, Ras Frostwhisper.. |
| 08:51.54 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 08:52.03 | [Ammo] | you have to get the models right |
| 08:52.44 | wereHamster | is the twins emp in AQ20 a bug or are they just a light version of the AQ40 ones? |
| 08:53.06 | AnduinLothar | Cosmos Release is now 1.12 compatible |
| 08:53.08 | zenzelezz | they're not there at all |
| 08:54.01 | DoomGaze3 | is this a valid boolean check: not (int1 >= 2) |
| 08:54.13 | zenzelezz | should be |
| 08:54.20 | DoomGaze3 | wow is bitching about it |
| 08:54.24 | zenzelezz | either is is (greater or equal) or it isn't |
| 08:54.41 | wereHamster | why not 'int1 < 2' ? |
| 08:54.44 | zenzelezz | is it Lua? Not sure if Lua has >= |
| 08:54.45 | Thrae | DoomGaze3: Why don't you do if (int1 < int2) ? |
| 08:54.59 | DoomGaze3 | it's a complex check |
| 08:55.09 | DoomGaze3 | here's the full check as it is in my code |
| 08:55.19 | DoomGaze3 | if (not IsInMissedGreedList(greedList[1]) and greedyPlayer and not (greedyPlayer.timelastSeen >= auctionMissedGreedCeil)) then |
| 08:55.42 | DoomGaze3 | Hmmm |
| 08:55.50 | zenzelezz | still, ">=" == "<" |
| 08:56.14 | DoomGaze3 | IC what you're saying! DUH! |
| 08:56.55 | zenzelezz | well, not quite; but with the appropriate modifications o_O I shouldn't talk before breakfast |
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| 09:20.54 | DoomGaze3 | apparently the raid leader speaks on a separate channel |
| 09:21.22 | Kaso | yes |
| 09:21.41 | AnduinLothar | different chat type anyway |
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| 09:23.34 | Kaso | annoying the way they did that, |
| 09:25.11 | zenzelezz | I see the Thunderfury did get changed to one-handed... must be some happy rogues out there now |
| 09:27.49 | Kaso | I dont suppose sundering a 5 sundered mob will cause a UNIT_AURA will it. |
| 09:28.05 | zenzelezz | not sure, but I can't see why it would |
| 09:29.07 | Kaso | well the reason im thinking is appplying the 6th sunder wont change the debuff in any way |
| 09:29.24 | Kaso | also, when a debuff is knocked off is there a unit_aura |
| 09:30.25 | zenzelezz | when was it they were increasing the number of debuff slots? |
| 09:31.25 | Laric | 1.9 i think it was |
| 09:32.00 | zenzelezz | no, I heard something recently about debuff slots being increased to more than 16 at some point... think it was an upcoming change |
| 09:32.31 | Kaso | expansion i think |
| 09:32.40 | Codayus | Expansion, yes. |
| 09:32.40 | wereHamster | they rather should fix the buff slots |
| 09:32.49 | Codayus | Or...actually, I think it was buff slots. |
| 09:32.52 | Codayus | In the expansion. |
| 09:33.02 | jaxdahl | 40 in the expansion i believe |
| 09:33.13 | jaxdahl | should be plenty for 25 people |
| 09:33.26 | Codayus | We can but hope... |
| 09:33.28 | Laric | that will be a big debuffbar |
| 09:33.40 | wereHamster | I'd rather have a proper buff priority so flasks don't get knocked off before blessings etc.. |
| 09:33.52 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 09:33.57 | Codayus | I think have defensive stance knocked off is worth than a flask, but it's a close run thing... |
| 09:34.01 | zenzelezz | but still, more DoT slots is nice |
| 09:34.07 | wereHamster | don't forget that each set bonus takes up one slot |
| 09:34.22 | Codayus | What's REALLY good - and I know someone this happened to - is to have shield wall knocked off... |
| 09:34.22 | Laric | they do? |
| 09:34.30 | Kaso | wereHamster didnt a blizzard poster say that was untrue |
| 09:35.00 | Codayus | (Okay, technically, he had defensive stance knocked off while shield wall was up...which at the time (and it may still) removes the shield wall buff). |
| 09:35.06 | wereHamster | stance does, so why shouldn't a set bonus? |
| 09:35.25 | Codayus | Eh, some blue posted something random about it, but didn't seem to understand the issue. <shrug> |
| 09:35.28 | wereHamster | Codayus, it doesn't anymore |
| 09:35.34 | Codayus | That's what I thought. |
| 09:35.49 | wereHamster | you can go def, shieldwall amd then berserker without logind shieldwall |
| 09:36.12 | Codayus | I know when leveling up I once tried to hit retaliation and change stances...was really annoyed when I lost the buff and found all cooldowns were blown. :-) |
| 09:36.20 | Codayus | It made an impression on me. :-D |
| 09:37.11 | Codayus | Hmm, what exactly is an ItemButton? As in ItemButtonTemplate? |
| 09:37.37 | Kaso | the slots in the trade window are itembuttons things like that iirc |
| 09:38.29 | Laric | so the yare expanding the buff/debuff slots to make room for gem'ed items then? |
| 09:39.03 | Codayus | I believe their expanding buff slots because the current limit is already too low, and shamans/paladins is going to add a BIG pile of buffs. |
| 09:39.08 | Codayus | Blessings+totems. |
| 09:40.06 | Codayus | Gemmed items probably won't be a huge issue; I believe the current understanding is that stats don't take slots....or not more than 1 per stat. It's set bonuses like 8 piece wrath or trans that are the issue. |
| 09:40.09 | Laric | is totems raid wide or group wide? |
| 09:40.20 | Codayus | Totems are group wide... |
| 09:40.21 | kergoth | Laric: group |
| 09:40.28 | Codayus | Like a palladin aura, only not portable. :-) |
| 09:41.03 | Codayus | A shamman can drop multiple totems at one time though - one per element. |
| 09:41.08 | Laric | and a shaman can have 1 totem of each kind out at the same time right? |
| 09:41.21 | Codayus | right. |
| 09:41.36 | Laric | thats alot of buffs.. |
| 09:41.43 | Laric | ./debuffs |
| 09:41.48 | Kaso | not all totems are buffs |
| 09:42.00 | zenzelezz | so now (well, in the expansion), alliance can earthbind the Razorgore fight too |
| 09:42.03 | Laric | group of 5 shammys have a lot of totems i can imagine |
| 09:42.17 | Codayus | True...probably more an increase in buffs for horde than alliance. |
| 09:42.28 | Kaso | Do people still kite legionaires at razorgore? |
| 09:42.38 | Codayus | <shrug> We do. |
| 09:42.43 | Laric | we do |
| 09:42.43 | zenzelezz | my guild does |
| 09:42.58 | Kaso | seems like a tatic that is very vunrible to me |
| 09:43.10 | wereHamster | the problem also is that some buffs don't show up in the buffbar, so you never know when you'll hit the limit |
| 09:43.13 | zenzelezz | well, the mages hurt a lot |
| 09:43.41 | Laric | we use 8 warriors... 4 for dragons and 4 for legionaires :P |
| 09:43.53 | Codayus | Nobodies quite sure what buffs count but don't show. Stances, definetly. Some set bonuses. MAYBE some talents... |
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| 10:06.04 | wereHamster | does setglobal() return the object? |
| 10:07.09 | Kaso | apparently not |
| 10:42.09 | zenzelezz | hm, the WoWEU site is starting to slow down it seems... not responding now |
| 10:42.55 | Corrodias | our instance server(s) came back up after a few hours and i had a nice maraudon orange run. |
| 10:43.33 | Corrodias | it went great, and a definite part of the reason is because we had a shaman. shamen make EVERYTHING better. |
| 10:44.44 | zenzelezz | why do people bend "shaman" like that... I never hear anyone say "shawoman", so "shamen" seems odd as well |
| 10:46.13 | wereHamster | this is discrimination! |
| 10:46.35 | Laric | are you a human or a huwoman? |
| 10:47.03 | zenzelezz | it's entirely possible that "shamen" is correct, my English is nowhere near flawless |
| 10:47.38 | Kirov | zenzelezz - is anyone's? |
| 10:48.33 | Codayus | Hmm...silly question time... |
| 10:48.34 | Kalroth | 'The only proper plural form of the word is shamans and not shamen, as it is unrelated to the English word "man".' |
| 10:48.51 | Codayus | I want to make a FontString, assign an itemlink to it, and have it be clickable. |
| 10:49.11 | Codayus | How would I do that? :-) |
| 10:49.29 | Kirov | Codayus - I want to bone Shakira, but there are some things we must accept as impossibilites |
| 10:49.42 | Codayus | :-( |
| 10:49.49 | Kirov | clickable how? |
| 10:50.27 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing clickable like in the chat window |
| 10:50.41 | Codayus | Hmm, let me try and phrase this better. |
| 10:50.51 | Codayus | I've got a configuration frame with a bunch of fontstrings on it. |
| 10:51.19 | Codayus | I'd like to use SetText() on one of them, and pass it an item link...and then have the fontstring act as a link still, so I can click it to see stats. |
| 10:51.30 | ckknight_ | it's Shamans. |
| 10:54.21 | Kirov | Codayus - what you could do is make them all buttons that, when pressed, send the fontstring's text to Itemref |
| 10:54.39 | Codayus | HRm |
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| 11:43.26 | Kaso | Anyone know why my texture causes a 132 error when i ReloadUI() |
| 11:45.50 | wereHamster | is it grayscale? |
| 11:46.54 | Kaso | nope, its 64 x 64, 24 Bit tga |
| 11:47.46 | wereHamster | isn't that the new feature introduces in 1.12 ? :-P |
| 11:48.04 | Kaso | hm? |
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| 12:18.36 | zenzelezz | WoWEU website tossing Apache Tomcat errors at me o_O |
| 12:21.52 | Kalroth | meow |
| 12:23.45 | Laric | they do that everyday :P |
| 12:27.14 | Health | Kalroth, nerd |
| 12:28.43 | Kalroth | :( |
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| 12:42.47 | Kaso | Is there a pure black texture anywhere in default UI? |
| 12:43.35 | Cide | pure white would be better? |
| 12:43.52 | Cide | but regardless, I haven't found one |
| 12:44.46 | [Ammo] | use a normal one with correct color and alpha will make it black won't it |
| 12:44.56 | [Ammo] | standard tooltip background for instance |
| 12:44.58 | Kaso | hmm :< i'll have to do it the slightly longer method, im lazy! |
| 12:46.17 | Mery | just only use a color as texture? - SetTexture(1, 0, 0) |
| 12:52.24 | Kaso | You know that thread that spawned all these HUDs ("Solution on howto draw a circle" or something like that), there isnt a archive of that anywhere? Or like a guide about it |
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| 13:10.28 | Kaso | noone ;< |
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| 14:10.38 | yammygirlcoding | morning all! |
| 14:11.19 | yammygirlcoding | I'd like to know if anyone can tell me a way to hide the nurfed bags bar. I tried it all, but had no success. |
| 14:12.10 | yammygirlcoding | bonk |
| 14:12.12 | yammygirlcoding | never mind |
| 14:12.34 | yammygirlcoding | I was looking inside the code but tiv made a checkbox option inside ui hehehe |
| 14:13.15 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 14:13.20 | yammygirlcoding | next one hehe |
| 14:13.22 | yammygirlcoding | Error: attempt to index a nil value |
| 14:13.22 | yammygirlcoding | AddOn: CT_PartyBuffs |
| 14:13.22 | yammygirlcoding | File: CT_PartyBuffs.lua |
| 14:13.22 | yammygirlcoding | Line: 11 |
| 14:13.33 | yammygirlcoding | hmmm new ct came with this little bug |
| 14:15.09 | Kaso | hmm he's not here :< |
| 14:15.14 | yammygirlcoding | cry |
| 14:16.27 | zenzelezz | looks like I'm not the only one trying to access the EU WoW website right now |
| 14:18.40 | zenzelezz | "You have chosen to open which is a httpd/unix-directory from: http://www.wow-europe.com" o_O |
| 14:21.51 | Kaso | What's this Mystery Mod Cide is working on, why do i feel out of the loop |
| 14:22.46 | Warla | howdy |
| 14:23.04 | Warla | anyone good with filtering strings in php? |
| 14:23.14 | Warla | |cff00ff00<Made by Mizu>|r <-- how can i filter out |cff00ff00_________|r so only <Made by Mizu> stays? |
| 14:23.24 | Warla | whats the correct expression? |
| 14:23.43 | Flyoc | (<[^>]*>) |
| 14:23.53 | Flyoc | :) |
| 14:23.58 | Warla | thanks a ton :-) |
| 14:24.24 | Flyoc | Warla: which function do you use ? |
| 14:24.44 | Warla | one of those many ereg thingy |
| 14:24.48 | Warla | need to check which one is best |
| 14:24.57 | Warla | all i need is something like this: |
| 14:25.09 | Warla | $string = ("filter", $string); |
| 14:25.23 | Warla | so instead |cff00ff00<Made by Mizu>|r i have <Made by Mizu> in that string |
| 14:27.12 | Warla | ereg_replace might work right`? |
| 14:27.34 | Warla | $str = ereg_replace("(<[^>]*>)","",$str); |
| 14:27.36 | Warla | like this? |
| 14:28.01 | Flyoc | nah |
| 14:28.04 | Flyoc | more like |
| 14:29.08 | Flyoc | preg_match('/(<[^>]*>)/', $str, $matches) |
| 14:29.28 | Warla | whats in $matches? |
| 14:29.38 | Flyoc | the string you want |
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| 14:29.43 | Flyoc | (after the function is called that is) |
| 14:29.55 | _RTE_ | morning folks |
| 14:29.55 | Mery | kaso: wasn't it iriels StatRings? maybe look into that? |
| 14:30.17 | Warla | does the expression aso work if the string looks like "hello |cff00ff00<Made by Mizu>|r blabla" --> "hello <made by mizu> blabla" ? |
| 14:30.32 | Kaso | Mery: wow that was a delayed responce ;> thanks ill look into it |
| 14:30.52 | Flyoc | Warla: ah ok you want that..1 sec |
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| 14:31.15 | Warla | yea it should filter out all those crappy color codes |
| 14:32.16 | Maldivia | *rolling thumbs* |
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| 14:32.57 | Kaso | 2 more hours on EU patch, yay |
| 14:33.02 | Warla | heh |
| 14:33.04 | BLG | How can you determine how much durability an items has left? |
| 14:33.04 | TS|Skrom | morning |
| 14:33.07 | zenzelezz | two more hours? |
| 14:33.09 | Warla | i hope the EU servers arent as crappy as the US |
| 14:33.12 | _RTE_ | morning |
| 14:33.21 | Warla | US servers crashing in a 5 mins intervall since yesterdays patch |
| 14:33.22 | zenzelezz | isn't it already 16:33 in Paris time also? |
| 14:33.22 | TS|Skrom | date went well ^.^ |
| 14:33.32 | Kaso | What i just head, 18:00 CST is estimate |
| 14:33.38 | Warla | ohh and the AV queues changed from 40 mins allinance side... |
| 14:33.43 | BLG | zenzelezz: yes they're half an hour late already |
| 14:33.44 | Warla | ... to 35 mins alliance side |
| 14:33.48 | Warla | BIG improvement :-/ |
| 14:33.59 | Warla | my realm came up 4 hours later than schedules |
| 14:34.02 | zenzelezz | Kaso: where does it say 18:00? |
| 14:34.38 | Kaso | Somone just quoted this on IRC not sure of source : Due to unforeseen circumstances in applying the patch all servers will be offline for a further two hours. We hope to have them back online at 18.00 CST (Paris time) or before. |
| 14:34.39 | Kalroth | They extended it |
| 14:34.53 | zenzelezz | ffs |
| 14:35.03 | snurre | Kaso: somewhere on the non-working eu forums |
| 14:35.03 | BLG | roflbrothel |
| 14:35.05 | zenzelezz | they better be up in time to hassle everyone to upgrade CTRA for the raid |
| 14:35.06 | Maldivia | Kaso: ack :| |
| 14:35.23 | zenzelezz | forums are working for me |
| 14:35.34 | Maldivia | Kaso: btw, do you know the link to the "breaking news" for the EU realms ? |
| 14:35.43 | Flyoc | preg_replace('/(\|c.{6})|(\r)/','',$str) |
| 14:35.57 | Kaso | whatcah mean maldivia? |
| 14:35.58 | Beladona | what pisses me off is that I was able to stay online a while last night -- but can't do isntances |
| 14:36.01 | Flyoc | Warla: ^ |
| 14:36.05 | Warla | Flyoc thanks a ton :-) |
| 14:36.07 | [RTE] | Guys, did anyone have any problems zoning into instance yesterday? |
| 14:36.08 | TS|Skrom | BLIZZARD: Due to gremlins stealing our fairy dust and our lucky charms getting soggy the patch won't be complete til Io finishes it's revolution of Jupiter on the third night of the full moon. |
| 14:36.12 | Warla | i really need to get into those ereg thingy :-/ |
| 14:36.12 | Beladona | because the instnaces crash, and when you log back in, you are in the middle of the air, about 1000 feet up |
| 14:36.16 | Warla | looks so complicated to me |
| 14:36.17 | Flyoc | Warla: wait I forgot a | |
| 14:36.19 | Beladona | and when you fall -- well |
| 14:36.23 | Flyoc | preg_replace('/(\|c.{6})|(\|r)/','',$str) |
| 14:36.25 | Maldivia | Kaso: "Breaking news" = the text that appears at login on the left side - it's an html page the client downloads from the server |
| 14:36.26 | Beladona | nice repair bill |
| 14:36.34 | Maldivia | Kaso: you wouldn't happen to know the URL for the enGB version ? |
| 14:36.46 | Warla | wicked :-) that filters out all color codes in a string? :-))) |
| 14:36.54 | zenzelezz | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=1225481&p=1&tmp=1#post1225481 |
| 14:36.58 | zenzelezz | there's the thread |
| 14:37.08 | Beladona | at this point methinks they need to rethink the patch, and just roll the bastige back |
| 14:37.24 | Kaso | oh yes i do |
| 14:37.36 | Kaso | hold on a moment |
| 14:37.52 | Flyoc | Warla: if all colors code start with |c and end with |r, yeah |
| 14:38.07 | Maldivia | Beladona: it'll be a hell to roll back the clients :) |
| 14:38.26 | Beladona | more hell than the fact that the game is unplayable to most players anyway? |
| 14:38.31 | Mery | Kaso: http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-interface-customization/245792.htm |
| 14:38.34 | Mery | yay :) |
| 14:39.00 | Flyoc | Warla: preg_replace('/\|c.{6}([^\|]+)\|r/','$1',$str) is even better I think, lemme test it |
| 14:40.01 | Maldivia | you mean: |c.{8} |
| 14:40.02 | Maldivia | right? |
| 14:40.27 | Kaso | 80.239.174.207 i think Maldivia, dont know the Sub-domain though it aint responding atm |
| 14:40.48 | Maldivia | Kaso: I know the US is http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 14:41.41 | Beladona | my server is never listed on the list of servers needing retrofit or lag fix |
| 14:41.50 | Kaso | well i've visted it before, i dont quite recall it now, but my PC is trying to connect to 80.239.174.207:80 when i boot up wow so i think thats it |
| 14:41.50 | Beladona | yet, we always have the issue they describe |
| 14:42.03 | Maldivia | launcher.wow-europe.com has address 80.239.174.207... :) |
| 14:42.04 | Flyoc | Maldivia: ah yeah 8, what the fuck are the last 2 ones ? |
| 14:42.17 | Maldivia | aarrggbb (alpha, red, green, blue) |
| 14:42.23 | Flyoc | alpha... |
| 14:42.29 | Maldivia | transparency |
| 14:42.58 | Maldivia | aarrggbb... not to be mistaken for aarrgghh! |
| 14:43.01 | Beladona | 32 bit image, or image with alpha channel |
| 14:43.03 | Maldivia | :) |
| 14:43.12 | Kaso | Mery thanks, shame it doesnt make any more sense than last time i read it :< |
| 14:43.56 | Mery | i never bothers to draw it on paper, but usually acutally darwing it yourself sloves most (relativ simple) geometry problems |
| 14:43.58 | Beladona | hmm |
| 14:44.02 | Mery | bothered* |
| 14:44.18 | Beladona | TortoiseSVN wants me to reboot -- I wonder if I can cheat and just restart explorer |
| 14:44.23 | Beladona | =P |
| 14:44.55 | Beladona | yup that worked |
| 14:45.02 | zenzelezz | never reboot until you see that something doesn't work |
| 14:45.09 | Beladona | thats my philosophy |
| 14:49.17 | Kaso | do i have to use GetMinMaxValues() if i just want to SetMinMaxValues() on the Max |
| 14:49.38 | [RTE] | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9623479&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 14:49.44 | [RTE] | very interesting info |
| 14:50.46 | Kalroth | Boobies? |
| 14:50.59 | Kalroth | Ah yes, that |
| 14:52.06 | Kalroth | Hard to tell if it's fake or not and it probably doesn't matter, since BC is still in alpha stage |
| 14:52.25 | [RTE] | true, but still an interesting read |
| 14:54.10 | Maldivia | if they're true, I really like the new mage spells :) |
| 14:54.56 | [RTE] | lock spells are meh, except for the aoe dot |
| 14:55.00 | Flyoc | 21/31 is cheap |
| 14:56.23 | zenzelezz | the thread seems empty to me |
| 14:57.47 | zenzelezz | " Due to two separate issues the maintenance will be extended " |
| 14:58.41 | s|loup | Due to unforeseen circumstances in applying the patch all servers will be offline for a further two hours. We hope to have them back online at 18.00 CST (Paris time) or before. |
| 14:59.10 | zenzelezz | old news, my quote is from the new thread in the Realm Status forum =D |
| 14:59.38 | s|loup | but in that they didnt tell a time ;) |
| 15:00.00 | zenzelezz | still old news =D |
| 15:00.01 | s|loup | so i like more the 2hours than: wait until we finish :D |
| 15:00.15 | Flyoc | Instances in EU offline till Saturday due to unknown issue |
| 15:00.38 | Kirkburn1 | Flyoc, say what? |
| 15:00.57 | s|loup | i think its more a circumstance when the servers gon online than offline ^^ |
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| 15:04.05 | Kirkburn1 | [RTE], the thread is deleted :( |
| 15:04.20 | [RTE] | then it could be legit |
| 15:04.29 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: you read it ? |
| 15:04.32 | Kirkburn1 | No :( |
| 15:04.36 | Corrodias | "It is also not properly explained why the Horde would want to ally themselves with any of Illidan's followers, since he serves the Burning Legion, ..." only grudgingly, and only against the lich king, as i have understood it |
| 15:04.43 | Kaso | want a link to it kirk? |
| 15:04.51 | Kaso | (the text) |
| 15:04.54 | Kirkburn1 | (Bear in mind the Leipzig Games Convention was today) |
| 15:04.54 | Maldivia | Kirkburn1: I'll just copy-paste it on pastey then ? |
| 15:04.55 | Kirkburn1 | Yes |
| 15:04.58 | Kirkburn1 | Pleas :) |
| 15:05.02 | Kaso | http://xemcat.net/xem/xpac/info.txt |
| 15:05.05 | Kirkburn1 | *please, even |
| 15:05.33 | Maldivia | http://wowi.pastey.net/377 |
| 15:05.43 | [RTE] | http://wowi.pastey.net/378 |
| 15:05.46 | Kirkburn1 | lol |
| 15:05.48 | [RTE] | damn you :) |
| 15:05.55 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 15:05.56 | Kaso | i owned you both |
| 15:07.02 | TS|Skrom | hahah |
| 15:07.04 | Maldivia | Kaso, now go find the full URL for me, hehe :) |
| 15:07.12 | Kirkburn1 | Looks reasonable to me |
| 15:07.23 | Kaso | the full url of the alert? |
| 15:07.41 | Maldivia | yeah :) |
| 15:08.32 | Maldivia | tried the variation I could think of, none of them correct :| |
| 15:09.00 | Kaso | me-> 80.239.174.20 GET /en/alert HTTP/1.1 |
| 15:09.19 | zenzelezz | logon screen is not optimistic |
| 15:09.24 | zenzelezz | "There's currently no new ETA" |
| 15:09.36 | Kirkburn1 | How go the US servers? |
| 15:09.45 | Maldivia | Kaso, I tried that, no result here :| |
| 15:10.01 | Kaso | that's what the Wow client is doing |
| 15:10.10 | Maldivia | they are down for maintenance now aswell, I think |
| 15:10.12 | Maldivia | to fix the BGs |
| 15:10.13 | Kirkburn1 | I love the bloodthistle withdrawal symptom :P |
| 15:10.35 | Maldivia | Kaso: I get a 404 from en/alert :| |
| 15:10.42 | Kirkburn1 | They're really going with the whole addicts thing :) |
| 15:10.56 | Maldivia | it's not the first spice in the game that does that |
| 15:11.07 | Kirkburn1 | No? |
| 15:11.40 | Kaso | me too |
| 15:11.55 | Kaso | which is odd |
| 15:12.13 | TS|Skrom | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Create_your_own_chat_types - is this a complete walkthrough for adding chat types? |
| 15:13.28 | yammygirlcoding | guys. anyone has any idea about this ct error: |
| 15:13.28 | yammygirlcoding | <Kaso> ok. umm /run if getglobal("PetFrameDebuff1") then ChatFrame1:AddMessage("Working!") end |
| 15:13.28 | yammygirlcoding | <Kaso> run that see what happens |
| 15:13.28 | yammygirlcoding | <YammYe> hmm it said 'workin' |
| 15:13.39 | yammygirlcoding | ops. not this |
| 15:13.43 | Kaso | haha |
| 15:13.47 | yammygirlcoding | Error: attempt to index a nil value |
| 15:13.47 | yammygirlcoding | AddOn: CT_PartyBuffs |
| 15:13.47 | yammygirlcoding | File: CT_PartyBuffs.lua |
| 15:13.47 | yammygirlcoding | Line: 11 |
| 15:14.03 | yammygirlcoding | that debug thing worked. but i don't get it what is the point hehe |
| 15:14.45 | YammYgirlcoding | any idea? |
| 15:14.52 | Kaso | shout at it |
| 15:15.15 | YammYgirlcoding | hum? |
| 15:15.17 | Corrodias | cide is the one who can certainly think about that one, but he isn't here |
| 15:15.43 | Corrodias | unless i've missed name changes, because i don't watch every line |
| 15:16.16 | Health | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23051 ? |
| 15:16.20 | Kaso | ~seen Cide |
| 15:16.22 | purl | cide <i=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 2h 32m 30s ago, saying: 'but regardless, I haven't found one'. |
| 15:16.23 | YammYgirlcoding | anyone had the curiousity to see the line of the error? Maybe it's a simple bug |
| 15:16.44 | Kaso | its not a typeo type error |
| 15:17.05 | Kirkburn | Oooh, http://www.notfornoobs.com/Microsoft-Habu-Gaming-Mouse.htm |
| 15:17.19 | Kirkburn | (yes, that's seriously the address) |
| 15:17.27 | Kaso | Basically its trying to re-locate the pet debuff frame before tis avaible somehow |
| 15:17.46 | Corrodias | a 2000dpi mouse, it says |
| 15:18.00 | Kaso | Why did microsoft have to sully the name of razer :< |
| 15:18.04 | YammYgirlcoding | Kaso ah it's not an error? |
| 15:18.12 | Beladona | Yammy, you have the latest CT_PartyBuffs? |
| 15:18.21 | Kirkburn | MS make damn good mice |
| 15:18.23 | YammYgirlcoding | ya ! the error came just from the last one |
| 15:18.31 | Beladona | k, taking a look |
| 15:18.50 | Kaso | Health ? |
| 15:19.32 | Health | Huh? |
| 15:20.01 | Kirkburn | Moose? |
| 15:20.02 | Beladona | line 11 could be fixed easily with an if check |
| 15:20.04 | YammYgirlcoding | Beladona thanks darling! I hope it's an easy bug |
| 15:20.13 | Kaso | what's with the item moose |
| 15:20.26 | Kirkburn | Madness ... is that real? |
| 15:20.30 | Health | I wondered what that was - never seen it |
| 15:20.38 | Kirkburn | I notice it's legendary |
| 15:20.44 | Kaso | it seems familar to me |
| 15:20.52 | Kaso | i remeber seeing an item with the shield wall proc |
| 15:20.59 | Maldivia | yeah, me too :) |
| 15:21.06 | Kaso | but yeh, far too overpowered to be in the game ever |
| 15:21.11 | YammYgirlcoding | Beladona how would this if line look like? |
| 15:21.26 | Beladona | one sec, putting it up |
| 15:21.26 | Kirkburn | http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=23051 |
| 15:22.05 | Maldivia | hehe, yes it's the fake item :) |
| 15:22.09 | YammYgirlcoding | in fact why this nil value error happens anyway ? It's always for the same reason? is it like an unset variable? undeclared variable but unset ? |
| 15:22.41 | Kirkburn | How can it be fake if it's on more than one site? |
| 15:22.51 | Kirkburn | (fake in that it's not obtainable?) |
| 15:23.02 | Beladona | I do have to ask why in the hell you would bother doing getglobal("PetFrameDebuff1") when the name is obviously known and should be accessed directly... |
| 15:23.09 | Corrodias | because it's in the game files, i suppose |
| 15:23.31 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: if the person who faked their web file, and uploaded to allakhazam, uploaded to the other sites aswell. |
| 15:23.47 | YammYgirlcoding | getglobal("PetDebuff1") . this is the nil value bad guy? |
| 15:23.47 | Maldivia | or if wowhead has copied a database from allakhazam :) |
| 15:23.55 | Maldivia | wdb file* |
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| 15:24.33 | Beladona | http://pastebin.com/774052 |
| 15:24.51 | Beladona | try that Yammy - although obviously I didn't test this in game, so don't take it as a final fix |
| 15:25.07 | YammYgirlcoding | Beladona just it? lol |
| 15:25.21 | Beladona | that should be it, barring any other errors in the file |
| 15:26.00 | YammYgirlcoding | petframe is the frame for a char pet's ? |
| 15:26.16 | Beladona | believe so |
| 15:26.26 | Beladona | that if line will only set the point if the frame exists |
| 15:26.47 | YammYgirlcoding | it's odd the coder put that line there without testing |
| 15:27.35 | YammYgirlcoding | Beladona yay error is gone! :D |
| 15:27.54 | Beladona | the only question now though, is if the PetDebuff frame acts as intended |
| 15:28.08 | Beladona | I would still report the error to Cide |
| 15:28.12 | Beladona | its his mod, and his to fix |
| 15:28.28 | YammYgirlcoding | does he have any site I can report it ? |
| 15:28.34 | Beladona | wowinterface.com |
| 15:28.41 | Beladona | has a CTmod section I believe |
| 15:28.42 | YammYgirlcoding | no direct site? |
| 15:28.55 | Beladona | ctmod.net, but I think they use our forums |
| 15:29.18 | Beladona | they are hosted by wowi |
| 15:29.23 | YammYgirlcoding | hmm |
| 15:29.39 | Beladona | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=28 |
| 15:29.49 | Beladona | there is a section for bug reports |
| 15:31.04 | Beladona | actually there may be another issue with that line 11 |
| 15:31.17 | Beladona | which would explain why he does a getglobal on that frame |
| 15:31.40 | Beladona | anyone know -- does PetFrameDebuff have a different integer for each party member? |
| 15:33.21 | YammYgirlcoding | hmm |
| 15:33.26 | Beladona | actually |
| 15:33.28 | Beladona | thats weird |
| 15:33.42 | Beladona | I just did a search on all ui files, and didn't fine PetFrameDebuff anywhere |
| 15:34.02 | YammYgirlcoding | \o/ all first bugs always happens to me ! :D |
| 15:35.00 | Beladona | scratch that |
| 15:35.27 | Beladona | thats because it uses a tempalte format $parentDebuff1, which would make it PetFrameDebuff1 since it's parent is PetFrame |
| 15:35.37 | YammYgirlcoding | hmmm |
| 15:35.43 | Beladona | and they ARE interger based |
| 15:35.53 | Beladona | hold on, lemme get you a different thing to put in there |
| 15:36.07 | YammYgirlcoding | if I have a party member u think there will be a new error? I will test it |
| 15:36.09 | Corrodias | seems alchemy is quite useful at higher levels |
| 15:37.06 | Kaso | Herbalism is, most of the time you can juts leach of other's alchemy :> |
| 15:37.33 | Corrodias | i need to rethink my professions. they're somewhat annoying. |
| 15:37.45 | YammYgirlcoding | hmm I invited someone to party and no error happened |
| 15:37.47 | Corrodias | leatherworking doesn't seem to really be worth the effort |
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| 15:38.42 | YammYgirlcoding | alch is not that good.. people are not buying our potions :/ I have a flask in AH for like a month.... cheap or cheaper... nobody even bids |
| 15:39.04 | Beladona | Yammy, the problem is, if they have a pet, you can't see thier buiffs/debuffs |
| 15:39.11 | Beladona | with the current line 11 |
| 15:39.15 | YammYgirlcoding | I also tried to sell healing pots, mana pots.... too much work for nothing, people will always ask for someone in guild to make it free |
| 15:39.34 | Beladona | and actually, the original line wouldn't either |
| 15:39.36 | YammYgirlcoding | a pet? hmm i will look for a hunter to invite |
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| 15:40.05 | Beladona | since it would only substantiate PetFrameDebuff1, which is only the first party member |
| 15:40.14 | Beladona | scuse me, first party members pet |
| 15:41.09 | Beladona | probably just leave it |
| 15:41.15 | Beladona | it will work fine for now the way it is |
| 15:41.30 | Beladona | I don't want to put tons of time into it, when Cide will probably fix it as soon as he knows |
| 15:43.18 | YammYgirlcoding | hmm feed pet would be a kind a buff I could see? |
| 15:43.44 | zenzelezz | Recently Bandaged |
| 15:43.51 | zenzelezz | just use some bandage on the pet |
| 15:44.18 | Corrodias | that's a debuff, and feed pet is a buff |
| 15:44.28 | Corrodias | afaik |
| 15:44.34 | zenzelezz | well, they're talking about a bar named "Debuff" |
| 15:44.36 | YammYgirlcoding | it happened ! I have a hunter in party, he's with pet out. but I don't see the pet frame |
| 15:44.39 | zenzelezz | so I'm assuming you want debuffs |
| 15:44.53 | zenzelezz | but I'd recommend to just wait for Cide to get back and let him solve it |
| 15:45.08 | YammYgirlcoding | =^^= |
| 15:45.18 | YammYgirlcoding | ah true! that's a debuff method |
| 15:45.50 | YammYgirlcoding | I don't even see the pet's frame. i put the IF there. It doesn't error either |
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| 15:50.56 | Maldivia | Cide ? |
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| 15:53.58 | wereHamster | http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4523/missingcontinentqe3.jpg |
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| 15:55.09 | Cide | ok, here now (was eating) |
| 15:55.31 | Beladona | actually isn't that a separate option to see the pets of party members? |
| 15:55.39 | Beladona | has to be turned on in the first place |
| 15:55.47 | zenzelezz | no, turned off |
| 15:55.53 | Maldivia | Cide: are you still using your own raid warnings, instead of the build in channel ? |
| 15:55.56 | zenzelezz | it's on by default (if you mean standard UI) |
| 15:56.01 | Beladona | right |
| 15:56.09 | Beladona | just making sure Yammy has it on |
| 15:56.11 | Beladona | you never know |
| 15:56.37 | YammYgirlcoding | cide is back!? D |
| 15:56.51 | Cide | Maldivia: what do you mean? |
| 15:56.55 | Cide | YammYgirlcoding: yep... |
| 15:57.04 | YammYgirlcoding | Cide \o/ |
| 15:57.28 | YammYgirlcoding | Cide I just reported a little buf in party frame mod for last version, at wowinterface forum. =^^= |
| 15:57.34 | Maldivia | Cide: in CTRA, are you using SendChatMessage(..., "RAID_WARNING") or your own with SendAddonMessage ? |
| 15:57.44 | YammYgirlcoding | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=27858#post27858 |
| 15:58.18 | Cide | Maldivia: currently using our old format still ("MS <message>") |
| 15:58.28 | Beladona | line 11 of CT_PartBuff.lua - its trying to act on PetFrameDebuff1 before it exists |
| 15:58.31 | Beladona | err |
| 15:58.39 | Beladona | CT_PartyBuff.lua |
| 15:58.44 | Maldivia | Cide: Ok, just a heads up, %t are passed as %t with ChatAddonMessage |
| 15:58.51 | Cide | Maldivia: I noticed, heh |
| 15:59.02 | Kalroth | >< |
| 15:59.06 | Beladona | really? |
| 15:59.16 | Beladona | so it doesn't parse like normal chat? |
| 15:59.24 | [Ammo] | well they announced it wouldn't be touched like normal chat |
| 15:59.27 | [Ammo] | aka no drunken slur etc |
| 15:59.35 | [Ammo] | guess that also ment no % replacement |
| 15:59.37 | Beladona | ahh makes sense |
| 16:00.07 | Beladona | which means we have to parse global strings ourselves? |
| 16:00.14 | [Ammo] | no idea |
| 16:00.29 | [Ammo] | but most people use normal /rw anyway |
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| 16:01.37 | [Ammo] | and with ImprovedRWF you can add the (colored) charactername and resize / move the thing |
| 16:02.22 | [Ammo] | just wish blizzard would improve their readycheck, make it send events when a ready/notready is received and make it able to be done by Assistants |
| 16:02.55 | zenzelezz | I have an icky feeling there'll be no raid for me tonight |
| 16:03.09 | Beladona | no kidding |
| 16:03.26 | Beladona | had to cancel last nights, but I shoulda known it wouldn't work on a patch day |
| 16:03.37 | [Ammo] | servers will be stable in a week time |
| 16:03.53 | [Ammo] | kinda bad service, but hey, blizzard can afford it apparantly :) |
| 16:03.56 | Corrodias | readycheck? assistants? |
| 16:04.00 | Beladona | which begs the question - why bother with a test server |
| 16:04.03 | [Ammo] | yeah corrodias |
| 16:04.16 | Beladona | other than the chance for addon dev to test |
| 16:04.22 | [Ammo] | the blizzard readycheck can only be done by the raid leader, and has no feedback while it's running |
| 16:04.31 | [Ammo] | it only gives feedback when its done, or when it times out |
| 16:04.35 | Corrodias | i think i heard something about a readycheck once |
| 16:04.37 | [Ammo] | done means everyone clicked |
| 16:05.42 | Beladona | it should work in the exact way that loot rolls do |
| 16:05.42 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 16:05.42 | Beladona | in which a response is sent when the player clicks |
| 16:05.42 | Corrodias | but then you have 40 lines in your message log with names... |
| 16:05.42 | Beladona | so? |
| 16:05.48 | Corrodias | it would be ridiculous to try to see who -isn't- ready |
| 16:05.58 | [Ammo] | it would at least give some feedback |
| 16:06.00 | Beladona | make a seaprate window that gets that stuff |
| 16:06.09 | Beladona | you get that now with loot rolls |
| 16:06.16 | Corrodias | you do? |
| 16:06.18 | [Ammo] | I made a nice little window with gray names for oRA |
| 16:06.32 | [Ammo] | ready -> name turns to green, not ready -> name turns to red |
| 16:06.33 | Beladona | yeah... every person that clicks it prints a message that they needed, greeded, or passed... |
| 16:06.33 | Corrodias | oRA... damn, i'm really out of the loop |
| 16:06.41 | Beladona | and then tells youa t the end if everyone passed, or whatever |
| 16:06.57 | Corrodias | Beladona: oh... when you said "now" i thought you mean as opposed to before :) |
| 16:06.59 | [Ammo] | but I'd really like to use the default blizzard check for that |
| 16:07.18 | Beladona | I like that thought Ammo |
| 16:07.40 | Beladona | in fact, if anything, Blizz should have it integrated into the raid panels, where the player is highlighted red if not reacy, and green if they are |
| 16:07.41 | Corrodias | all this raid stuff... what a mess of information i have to absorb |
| 16:07.42 | [Ammo] | but for now I'll stay compliant with the CTRA messages |
| 16:07.45 | YammYgirlcoding | u guys knows if is blizzard goin to grant us more rested xp for those extra mantainance times? |
| 16:07.47 | Beladona | ready* |
| 16:08.00 | [Ammo] | beladona: that would work as well |
| 16:08.05 | Beladona | that would be an idea for Cide actually |
| 16:08.07 | Corrodias | YammYgirlcoding: as far as i'm aware, rest experience continue to accrue if your character is resting, during downtime. |
| 16:08.11 | Beladona | for CT_Raid |
| 16:08.43 | Beladona | Corrodias - but does it accrue when server is down? |
| 16:09.09 | Corrodias | i can't be sure, but i would assume so because it seems to be that it would be time-based, not ticking constantly in real time |
| 16:09.21 | Cide | I might add a CTRA message when someone clicks "READY" |
| 16:09.23 | Cide | not sure yet |
| 16:09.27 | Beladona | makes sense, but would be nice to know for sure |
| 16:09.37 | Beladona | I liek visual representation though |
| 16:09.43 | Beladona | I might add that myself |
| 16:09.48 | Beladona | like a CTRaid ddon |
| 16:09.55 | Corrodias | that would be a huge number of characters for the server to keep track of, considering that you can only play one at a time and i have a good five others resting even during that time |
| 16:10.00 | [Ammo] | Cide: hook the ready click action and send a CTRA message? |
| 16:10.02 | [Ammo] | that would work |
| 16:10.11 | Beladona | yup |
| 16:10.25 | Beladona | but only if all members had CTRA |
| 16:10.32 | Corrodias | some guy on a forum says that instead of ct_raid, he likes "oRa + BigWigs + Perfectraid + oRa MainTankFrames + Squishy + Witchhunt". that sounds like a lot of addons needed to replace one CTRA. :) |
| 16:10.41 | Corrodias | *ct_raidassist |
| 16:10.51 | [Ammo] | Squishy = an emergency monitor |
| 16:10.54 | Maldivia | each to his on liking |
| 16:10.55 | [Ammo] | Witchhunt = spell alert |
| 16:10.56 | Beladona | CTRA has that |
| 16:11.09 | snurre | Corrodias: and? one big addon isnt necessarily better than many small ;) |
| 16:11.30 | snurre | besides, they're all on svn, so updated in one button click anyway |
| 16:11.38 | [Ammo] | BigWigs is just a modular bossmods addon that worked with either CTRA or oRA |
| 16:11.40 | Beladona | no, but it sure makes it easier for the raid leader to say "Get CTRA" than "get oRa, BigWigs..... etc..." |
| 16:11.44 | [Ammo] | with timerbars et all |
| 16:11.49 | Corrodias | snurre: i'm afraid i don't get off to SVN as much as some people do |
| 16:12.01 | Kalroth | Update CTRA so you can get Cides latest bugs! |
| 16:12.02 | [Ammo] | to each their liking |
| 16:12.10 | Maldivia | Beladona: why would the raid leader say that anyway? |
| 16:12.15 | Beladona | um |
| 16:12.21 | [Ammo] | I admire CTRA for the standard Cide and TS have set |
| 16:12.23 | Beladona | I make my raid people have CTRA |
| 16:12.42 | Corrodias | i don't even know what ctra or its imitations do :P |
| 16:12.50 | [Ammo] | but with oRA I just try and be compliant with that standard while providing a different addon |
| 16:13.14 | Kalroth | real raiders use RDX and pays for it! |
| 16:13.24 | Beladona | I don't bring people to guild raids who don't have CTRA unless we are just short on people period. CTRA people get precedence |
| 16:13.42 | Maldivia | Beladona: I'm glad I'm not in your guild then |
| 16:13.46 | Beladona | me too |
| 16:13.48 | [Ammo] | Beladona: that's exactly why oRA was created |
| 16:13.49 | Corrodias | i dislike having people choosing sides between incompatible addons. if they're compatible, i can't care. |
| 16:14.08 | snurre | ctra set the standard, ora provided an alternative |
| 16:14.15 | Corrodias | but if they're compatible, there isn't a whole lot of a point, is there? |
| 16:14.15 | Beladona | my guild has a default set of addons that are required |
| 16:14.39 | [Ammo] | I'm not trying to compete with CTRA, that would be foolish |
| 16:15.04 | zenzelezz | what are the actual differences then? |
| 16:15.24 | [Ammo] | CTRA provides more visual functioanlity |
| 16:15.30 | Corrodias | yes, the question comes down to why you're making us have to consider yet another addon |
| 16:15.32 | [Ammo] | raidframes, emergency monitor etc |
| 16:16.29 | zenzelezz | the only part of CTRA I have visible is the main tank frame; though the warnings and all of that pop up as well |
| 16:16.29 | Beladona | makes more sense to me, to expand the features of another addon, rather than make a replacement |
| 16:16.41 | Beladona | unless it just doesn't work well |
| 16:16.44 | Corrodias | wait, so what does oRA do? |
| 16:17.17 | [Ammo] | it provides people to be compatible with the requirement of a raidleader to have CTRA installed without actually having an emergency monittor, raidframes and other things |
| 16:18.20 | Beladona | so do CTRA warnings and such stil show in oRa? |
| 16:18.23 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 16:18.27 | [Ammo] | it all works |
| 16:18.35 | Beladona | and does it work with the new CTRA addon messages? |
| 16:18.37 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 16:18.42 | zenzelezz | hrm... the Breaking News pane don't show on my logon screen anymore, but I still can't log on :-| |
| 16:18.45 | Corrodias | i was under the impression that you can turn off the emergency monitor and such in CTRA |
| 16:18.47 | Beladona | and does it report CT version to the raid |
| 16:18.51 | [Ammo] | it does |
| 16:18.54 | Beladona | hmm |
| 16:18.57 | [Ammo] | but it also reports the oRA version |
| 16:19.02 | Beladona | might look into it then as an alternative |
| 16:19.23 | [Ammo] | people respond to item ready durability etc checks |
| 16:19.25 | Beladona | and yeah, you can turn all that stuff off |
| 16:20.03 | [Ammo] | but if you want to be sure, just use CTRA. |
| 16:20.05 | snurre | Corrodias: you can turn it "off" in options, but it's still loaded with the addon |
| 16:20.13 | Corrodias | so this is about memory usage? |
| 16:20.23 | [Ammo] | memory usage and memory churn |
| 16:20.44 | Corrodias | now we get to it! okay. thank you. |
| 16:21.09 | [Ammo] | that's why oRA seems spartan to people |
| 16:21.13 | [Ammo] | to those people I say, use CTRA |
| 16:21.49 | Corrodias | then it is for people with low-end machines, or who have some sort of aversion to using much memory for their UI, yes? |
| 16:21.59 | YammYgirlcoding | Beladona well I hope I helped reporting that bug. thank u for tips! |
| 16:22.06 | Beladona | I still know people who refuse to use any addons period |
| 16:22.07 | [Ammo] | corrodias: mainly, yeah |
| 16:22.13 | Beladona | they are completely default ui |
| 16:22.19 | [Ammo] | or for people who have raidleaders that force people to use CTRA |
| 16:22.40 | [Ammo] | those people can install a small addon, be compliant and get no complaints |
| 16:23.20 | YammYgirlcoding | I know many people that have no addon at all. I don't know how they can live without any addon. I have 100+ installed! ^^ |
| 16:23.28 | [Ammo] | I have 15 installed or so |
| 16:23.30 | Corrodias | Beladona: i met one such person in the game... he had to ask people for information about zones, and declined my suggestion of addons |
| 16:23.45 | [Ammo] | mostly addons I helped creating |
| 16:23.51 | [Ammo] | oRA, BigWigs, WitchHunt etc |
| 16:23.57 | YammYgirlcoding | [Ammo] hehe |
| 16:24.24 | Beladona | I see it this way |
| 16:24.28 | YammYgirlcoding | I like ct pack, nurfed, and well.. many others ^^ |
| 16:24.35 | Corrodias | let's see, i have 142 folders in my addons folder. |
| 16:24.39 | Beladona | you have some people who prefer to alt-tab or ask people when they don't know something |
| 16:24.48 | Beladona | and you ave others that prefer to have all that at their fingertips |
| 16:25.06 | [Ammo] | I use around 21Mb on startup with average increasing rate idle 0.1-0.5kib/s |
| 16:25.08 | YammYgirlcoding | I have 155 folders ^^ |
| 16:25.16 | Beladona | ok thats insane |
| 16:25.18 | Beladona | hehe |
| 16:25.19 | YammYgirlcoding | hehe |
| 16:25.26 | [Ammo] | it increases faster in combat though |
| 16:25.31 | Corrodias | some 20 of my addons are either libraries or "master mods" or disabled |
| 16:25.33 | [Ammo] | more events -> more stuff to be done |
| 16:25.38 | Corrodias | or the blizzard ones, which are like 10 of them |
| 16:25.51 | [Ammo] | http://connected.dnd.utwente.nl/~wouter/ui.jpg |
| 16:26.07 | YammYgirlcoding | I tried to remove any of my addons. But well.. Each one is a part of me I can't leave anymore hehe |
| 16:26.07 | [Ammo] | slightly old version of my UI |
| 16:26.20 | Corrodias | cute |
| 16:26.21 | Beladona | I have 32 folders in my addon directory |
| 16:26.25 | Beladona | counting the Blizz ones |
| 16:26.39 | [Ammo] | BigWigs is the timerbars you see in the center |
| 16:26.46 | YammYgirlcoding | [Ammo] ok. this is an insanne ui |
| 16:27.06 | YammYgirlcoding | 32 only? how u survive? =) |
| 16:27.32 | Corrodias | i'm still looking for an addon that can give me timer bars to indicate the time remaining on my HoT's |
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| 16:27.42 | Corrodias | without giving me information i don't need, or excluding priest spells |
| 16:28.02 | Beladona | http://0ctavius.com/images/beefstake.jpg |
| 16:28.13 | Beladona | newbie char, so ignore the lack of buttons lol |
| 16:28.16 | YammYgirlcoding | [Ammo] I see that many of your addons are for asthetical purposes. Those ones I preffer to avoid. =) |
| 16:28.35 | [Ammo] | not really |
| 16:28.58 | [Ammo] | actually all of them apart from CT_Viewport are functional |
| 16:29.07 | Corrodias | my UI looks nearly stock, other than the CT unitframes. congrats on having what you like, though. :D |
| 16:29.08 | YammYgirlcoding | like the square minimap.. that is a pointless thing i think |
| 16:29.13 | [Ammo] | it's not |
| 16:29.13 | zenzelezz | I haven't even gotten to play 1.12 yet, and I already hate it |
| 16:29.23 | [Ammo] | it give you a greater view of the surroundings |
| 16:29.36 | [Ammo] | because blizzard's minimap is actually square, with a circle map slapped on it |
| 16:30.07 | [Ammo] | so this gives me a larger view |
| 16:30.14 | YammYgirlcoding | realy? but u can view an object in the map at the corners too? mobs, etc? |
| 16:30.27 | Beladona | I don't scrutinize my minimap that much |
| 16:30.28 | [Ammo] | not really, since I'm zoomed out max, but I can see more |
| 16:30.30 | snurre | I don't get the attitude "it's default, so it's sufficient", which most of my co-workers seem to have |
| 16:30.40 | Corrodias | it's good enough for me to be able to more easily tell where i am by looking at the Atlas maps |
| 16:30.51 | Corrodias | i must consider a square one, now |
| 16:30.53 | YammYgirlcoding | hmmm |
| 16:31.05 | YammYgirlcoding | naa.. I still like my rounded one hehe |
| 16:31.06 | snurre | im using square minimap cause it fits better in my ui |
| 16:31.07 | Beladona | now I WOULD support some way to show location on the atlas maps, but that seems impossible at present |
| 16:31.24 | [Ammo] | I have Atlas installed atm, but it's eating memory I don'tneed |
| 16:31.29 | Kaso | gief locations in instances please :> |
| 16:31.31 | [Ammo] | since I never view the maps :) |
| 16:31.38 | Gryphen | i tried the square, but the addon buttons are still on a round track :/ |
| 16:31.44 | Beladona | Atlas + Atlasloot Enhanced |
| 16:31.49 | Beladona | very nice combo |
| 16:31.54 | Corrodias | at the moment, i have no idea how my raid stuff looks, or how i can customize it, so there's no point in me thinking about the raid frames yet. |
| 16:32.09 | Corrodias | last time i joined a raid, my UI didn't alter itself at all, which rather surprised me |
| 16:32.13 | YammYgirlcoding | Beladona wow this ui is pretty clean! |
| 16:32.20 | snurre | wish addons had access to real game coordinates |
| 16:32.25 | Kaso | Gryphen just use something like DFM to move your buttons |
| 16:32.29 | Beladona | I am a minimalist, which is weird, since I use addons |
| 16:32.32 | Corrodias | Gryphen: some addons now support automatically moving their minimap buttons around to a square location |
| 16:32.32 | Beladona | hehe |
| 16:32.38 | [Ammo] | the warlock addon at the bottom is my creation too, asked the Necrosis guys for permission to use their graphics and made my own smaller Necronomicon, which has less features, but does all I need :) |
| 16:32.40 | Beladona | I just like my ui to be minimal |
| 16:32.43 | Corrodias | atlasloot? damnit, i don't know about that one |
| 16:32.48 | Beladona | I evne consider the default ui not minimal enough |
| 16:33.02 | YammYgirlcoding | hmm i think real game coordinates are 3 points vectors, with many zeros, like, 2,343242323234423 5,322342432434 6,243324324243 |
| 16:33.13 | [Ammo] | anyway, time to get home, I'm carrying the food for dinner, and my wife will strangle me if I'm not home in time :) |
| 16:33.18 | snurre | zone, x, y, z, direction |
| 16:33.20 | Corrodias | my UI looks like a bloody mess, let me tell you. but i don't really know how i can improve it. i'm not impressed with the information and accessibility i see in other styles. |
| 16:33.21 | snurre | is the format |
| 16:33.31 | Beladona | Corrodias: Altasloot Enhanced allows you to click any boss on Atlas and show their known loot tables, drop chances, etc... |
| 16:33.35 | YammYgirlcoding | or something like that ^^ |
| 16:33.39 | Beladona | including armor sets |
| 16:33.43 | Beladona | and their locations |
| 16:33.45 | Corrodias | well hot damn, i want that addon |
| 16:33.45 | YammYgirlcoding | Z is not that needed anyway |
| 16:33.53 | snurre | not for maps, no |
| 16:34.08 | Beladona | getting you a link one sec |
| 16:34.25 | Beladona | its on curse-gaming but the site isn't loading for me atm |
| 16:34.34 | Corrodias | i've got it, no worries |
| 16:34.42 | YammYgirlcoding | I wish I could remove some addons to increase performance, but they are so many now, that I don't remember what each one do anymore =) |
| 16:35.05 | Corrodias | google has indexed all the UI sites. you get good results with site:www.curse-gaming.com OR site:ui.worldofwar.net OR site:www.wowinterface.com |
| 16:35.18 | YammYgirlcoding | One day I will remove them all, and when I remember 'hmm i miss something', i will install it =) |
| 16:35.59 | Beladona | I also tend to "tweak" all my addons |
| 16:36.01 | Beladona | downloaded or not |
| 16:36.14 | Beladona | so when an update comes out, I have to compare, and merge my changes |
| 16:36.16 | YammYgirlcoding | u do? |
| 16:36.20 | YammYgirlcoding | hehe |
| 16:36.20 | Beladona | yeah |
| 16:36.26 | Corrodias | i REALLY wish blizzard would knock off the whole "disconnecting you for linking an item the server hasn't seen yet EVEN THOUGH it has it on file" thing |
| 16:36.27 | Beladona | so having less addons, is good for me |
| 16:36.30 | YammYgirlcoding | I do that with some bugs fixes ^^ |
| 16:36.30 | Beladona | saves time lol |
| 16:36.43 | Corrodias | maybe it should load a table of all the items on startup. that would make me a lot happier. |
| 16:36.57 | Beladona | would take longer to laod though |
| 16:36.58 | YammYgirlcoding | blizz now dc you if you link a fake thing? haha |
| 16:36.59 | Beladona | load |
| 16:37.19 | Beladona | what they need is to open access to the loot tables for query purposes |
| 16:37.27 | Corrodias | well, we can wait the extra 5 minutes it takes for bliz servers to load their items, because hey, they have to load them on demand while we play anyway |
| 16:37.29 | Beladona | restricted of course |
| 16:37.30 | wereHamster | Corrodias, you could have edited WDB and inserted fake items.. |
| 16:37.42 | Corrodias | i didn't say the server shouldn't perform verification |
| 16:38.13 | Corrodias | you completely misunderstood what i suggested: that the server load its list of known items at startup, rather than as the items appear in the world, so we can link to those real items without someone actually logging in with the item |
| 16:38.23 | Beladona | we know they have a master loot database / table |
| 16:38.29 | zenzelezz | <Corrodias> i REALLY wish blizzard would knock off the whole "disconnecting you for linking an item the server hasn't seen yet EVEN THOUGH it has it on file" thing <--- I thought they were replacing that with an error message |
| 16:38.38 | wereHamster | is this list resetted everytime the server is restarted? |
| 16:38.41 | Corrodias | zenzelezz: well, that would make me a little happier. |
| 16:38.42 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 16:38.44 | Beladona | why not make it queryable, across all servers, and just verify from there? |
| 16:39.01 | Maldivia | Corrodias: they changed that to avoid mining the items before they've been looted |
| 16:39.24 | Beladona | so restrict how many queries can be sent at a given period |
| 16:39.24 | Corrodias | mining? |
| 16:39.29 | Beladona | per character |
| 16:39.46 | Corrodias | i take it you don't mean attacking mithril deposits |
| 16:39.50 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 16:39.53 | Beladona | yeah, open query to all items would allow people to data mine the db to get a copy of it more or less |
| 16:40.06 | Beladona | but limitting queries would fix that I would think |
| 16:40.06 | Corrodias | "dude, i just got a hand of ragnaros from this silver vein" |
| 16:40.10 | Maldivia | Corrodias: scanning through all item ids, to see if you make a hit |
| 16:40.22 | Corrodias | a hit? i don't understand |
| 16:40.33 | Maldivia | Beladona: for i = 1, 30000 do scan(i) wait("1sec")end |
| 16:40.38 | Beladona | its basically like brute force checks |
| 16:40.45 | Corrodias | oh, attempting to obtain a complete list of items |
| 16:40.48 | TS|Skrom | but you are scanning an item db instead |
| 16:40.49 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 16:40.51 | Beladona | does item 1 exist? no, ok, does item 2 exist? |
| 16:40.56 | Beladona | to infinity |
| 16:41.07 | TS|Skrom | data mining is the more complete term.. might be less confusing :D |
| 16:41.35 | Maldivia | well, data mining isn't really the best term, since it's more to find pattern in data, not find undisclosed data :) |
| 16:41.39 | Beladona | Maldivia, the wait time would be the question. I don't see a problem with data mining if they make the wait time so long that it would take several days to get a full item db |
| 16:41.56 | TS|Skrom | db mining then ! |
| 16:41.58 | TS|Skrom | :p |
| 16:42.03 | TS|Skrom | that might work best |
| 16:42.17 | TS|Skrom | just calling it mining makes me think of thorium too :p |
| 16:42.23 | Beladona | heh |
| 16:42.31 | TS|Skrom | now, who here can troubleshoot my vnc problem >< |
| 16:42.32 | Beladona | my warrior is a level 300 data miner |
| 16:42.32 | Corrodias | or they could just give our clients local caches that include almost all of the items and then send us updates as they occur |
| 16:42.35 | Beladona | ! |
| 16:42.36 | Maldivia | Beladona: remember, after a patch, when your cache is empty, and you log on, the game quries around 1000 items, for all the equipments for the people around you, and the items in your inventory/ban |
| 16:42.49 | Beladona | of course |
| 16:42.54 | Beladona | NOW |
| 16:43.00 | Beladona | but a query system wouldn't require that |
| 16:43.40 | Maldivia | yeah, but then everyone would have the information about boss drops, before the boss is killed (not that everyone doesn't have it anyawy) |
| 16:43.50 | Beladona | exactly my point |
| 16:43.54 | Corrodias | boy, these blood elves sound a bit unpleasant, not sure why the horde wants them either |
| 16:44.19 | Beladona | I don't see where having that info could be sondiered cheating, or too much access |
| 16:44.31 | Corrodias | blizzard even gives information about the tier whatever drops on their web site |
| 16:44.36 | Beladona | yup |
| 16:44.54 | Maldivia | Beladona: me neither, I already have 99% of all known drops in my item database :) |
| 16:45.00 | Beladona | you could always do other restrictions too |
| 16:45.10 | Corrodias | my lootlink database continues to grow slowly, probably as it notices naxx items |
| 16:45.11 | Beladona | like not allowing queries based on mobs |
| 16:45.35 | Beladona | SELECT * WHERE boss = 'Drakkisath' for example wouldn't be allowed |
| 16:45.42 | Maldivia | they should just do them selves a favour, and make an online searchable item db themselves :) |
| 16:45.53 | zenzelezz | I really preferred that about the Anarchy Online item database; how it was client-side and you could just scan it; even though it doesn't list what drops items and the like |
| 16:46.01 | Corrodias | so blood elf paladins actually drain/obtain/something the power from a naaru to gain their powers. doesn't that make them sort of enemies of the naaru, who are the enemies of the demons? |
| 16:46.27 | Beladona | I kind of like that actually |
| 16:46.33 | Beladona | makes them seem more like Shadowknights |
| 16:47.10 | TS|Skrom | You mean completely useless til the fourth expansion? |
| 16:47.15 | Maldivia | Beladona: well, giving the people the complete item list, and items like this would be found faster: http://www.wowguru.com/db/items/forors-fabled-steed-id20221/ |
| 16:47.19 | Corrodias | but with their addiction to demon-fuelled magic and apparent willingness to destroy a naaru in order to obtain paladin powers, i don't see why they'd be allies of any of the demon-fighting races |
| 16:47.44 | Corrodias | Maldivia: it's only a matter of time before everybody finds out about it anyway |
| 16:47.54 | zenzelezz | so what if you could find items faster? You still hear about them as soon as anyone sees them anyway |
| 16:48.09 | zenzelezz | and nothing's forcing people to look up the info if they don't want to |
| 16:48.44 | Tem|AFK | ok, 2 minute WSG queues fucking rock |
| 16:48.59 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 16:49.10 | Beladona | knowing about new items only makes people want them more |
| 16:49.22 | Beladona | it doesn't give any type of edge to anyone |
| 16:49.33 | zenzelezz | aye |
| 16:49.34 | YammYgirlcoding | anyone have the same time as the wow server time? I wonder what time is it =) |
| 16:49.48 | Beladona | wow server time? |
| 16:49.52 | Beladona | which server lol? |
| 16:49.53 | zenzelezz | "we added a new top-end instance. Now DON'T GO THERE! Nothing fun drops!" |
| 16:50.17 | YammYgirlcoding | the time that servers uses to back |
| 16:50.19 | Corrodias | lmao |
| 16:50.33 | Beladona | Yammy, servers are regional |
| 16:50.38 | TS|Skrom | depends on the server |
| 16:50.44 | Beladona | each server has a different time |
| 16:50.49 | Beladona | or time zone |
| 16:50.59 | YammYgirlcoding | it says time:AM pst, or something. |
| 16:51.04 | YammYgirlcoding | there is a main time zone |
| 16:51.11 | Beladona | you mean the server maintenance? |
| 16:51.13 | TS|Skrom | that would prolly be california then |
| 16:51.14 | YammYgirlcoding | ya |
| 16:51.16 | Beladona | thats Pacific |
| 16:51.22 | Corrodias | PST is pacific standard time, or something. west coast USA |
| 16:51.23 | YammYgirlcoding | ah pacific time zone? |
| 16:51.25 | TS|Skrom | aka 9:51 am |
| 16:51.34 | Beladona | aye |
| 16:51.39 | YammYgirlcoding | aah |
| 16:52.09 | Beladona | they need some kind of variable in the game client where those messages automatically show your local time |
| 16:52.13 | Beladona | hehe |
| 16:52.17 | YammYgirlcoding | there is any site that shows that specific time zone live? |
| 16:52.21 | Beladona | for maintenance messages, etc... |
| 16:52.40 | YammYgirlcoding | it's terrible for me, cause i never know what time is it for them hehe |
| 16:52.43 | TS|Skrom | http://www.worldtimezone.com/ |
| 16:53.52 | Beladona | there are programs for your computer also that will show you multiple times |
| 16:53.57 | Beladona | like yours, and pacific |
| 16:54.43 | YammYgirlcoding | for pst it means where? north america ? europe? |
| 16:54.55 | Kilkbuln | USA, Pacific Standard Time |
| 16:55.03 | zenzelezz | I wonder how long it will be before they tell us the nature of the problems with the European servers |
| 16:55.24 | YammYgirlcoding | TS|Skrom where are u? ^^ |
| 16:55.27 | Corrodias | "hey guys, we lost all your characters. lol. sorry for any inconvenience!" |
| 16:55.36 | YammYgirlcoding | oh god they do that? |
| 16:55.47 | zenzelezz | of course not |
| 16:55.47 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: yeah, annoys me... |
| 16:55.53 | YammYgirlcoding | O.O |
| 16:55.54 | zenzelezz | they make backups all the time |
| 16:56.06 | YammYgirlcoding | that's scary ! imagine!! |
| 16:56.30 | Corrodias | "and somebody accidentally spilled large amounts of molten lead onto the backups, so they're gone too. it's true." |
| 16:56.35 | zenzelezz | and also, they could say they didn't lose *your* characters, but theirs; if it happened |
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| 16:56.55 | YammYgirlcoding | lol |
| 16:57.26 | YammYgirlcoding | simple. Make them grant you with a ready lv 60 char with a full set of your choice, to replace the 'lost' one ^^ |
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| 16:58.22 | Corrodias | i should go back to bed for a couple of hours. |
| 16:58.40 | zenzelezz | ffs, I hate the forum error site... impossible to return easily to the forum you came from |
| 16:58.48 | zenzelezz | can't hit reload, since they change the URL |
| 16:58.49 | YammYgirlcoding | sigh. my time is 6 hours late to the pst time :( |
| 16:58.53 | Corrodias | gotta go help the elementary school with setting up their computers soon. |
| 16:59.58 | Abenadi | our druid class leader was asking about innervate mods since I guess the cooldown info isn't included in CTRA like rebirth (battle rez) is. Is there a good mod that will do raid innervate timers/checks? I know they would all have to use it. |
| 17:00.17 | zenzelezz | "We will update you as soon as there's more information available."... that was 2:45 ago. "Sorry guys, we know there are two separate issues, just not what any of them are yet" |
| 17:01.16 | Hexarobi | anyone know a bug that could cause JoinChannelByName() to crash wow completely? |
| 17:01.41 | Hexarobi | it seems to happen if all channels are full |
| 17:01.52 | Hexarobi | but only with certain otheraddons, not sure whats going on |
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| 17:09.31 | zenzelezz | a Cairenn :-o |
| 17:09.35 | kelvie | can you not use UnitHealth on "player" anymore? |
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| 17:13.51 | wereHamster | Abenadi, someone from our realm did a modified version of ctra, not sure if he's still maintaining it though |
| 17:14.21 | Kirov | how modified? |
| 17:14.44 | wereHamster | adde innervate cooldowns |
| 17:14.51 | Abenadi | I think I might've found something that will work for them http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4850-1-adunes-improved-innervate.html |
| 17:18.04 | TS|Skrom | argh i wanna test my addon but i cant get my vnc to work >< |
| 17:18.11 | Hexarobi | so did they change how variables are loaded like they said they were gunna? |
| 17:18.29 | Hexarobi | so nil is no longer a valid value for a savedvariable? |
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| 17:20.07 | kelvie | anyone know what UnitExists("target") returns if you're not targeting anything? |
| 17:20.12 | zenzelezz | *grumble*... raid time, and still no news of the servers :-| |
| 17:20.40 | zenzelezz | kelvie: think it's nil then... quick to test if you're logged in probably |
| 17:20.56 | Kirov | kelvie - nil |
| 17:21.03 | kelvie | Kirov: thanks |
| 17:21.14 | kelvie | zenzelezz: heh.. I'm just trying to debug some one else's code.. I don't know much lua :x |
| 17:21.22 | kelvie | don't even know what the print statement is |
| 17:21.35 | Hexarobi | printF |
| 17:21.43 | TS|Skrom | does anyone have a ftp of their wow directory available? |
| 17:21.46 | kelvie | .. and it works like in C I'd presume? |
| 17:21.46 | Kirov | that works? |
| 17:21.53 | Hexarobi | no |
| 17:21.56 | Kirov | heh |
| 17:21.56 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: found the post that said the realms wont be up until 22.00 ? |
| 17:21.58 | Hexarobi | hehe sorry |
| 17:22.17 | TS|Skrom | stuck at work with no vnc working... and I want to test stuff. >< |
| 17:22.38 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: nope; only checking every 15 minutes, but by now it doesn't matter I think... won't get any raid going tonight anyway |
| 17:22.38 | TS|Skrom | being the admin is nice because I can do things like load wow on the fileserver and no one would know ;) |
| 17:22.40 | Kirov | kelvie - "print" doesn't exist in WoW as there's no (visible) console for the print information to display. |
| 17:22.52 | kelvie | mm |
| 17:22.55 | Kirov | kelvie - instead you need to print to your chat frame. |
| 17:22.59 | kelvie | ah yeah |
| 17:23.02 | kelvie | I see a line like that in the code |
| 17:23.04 | Kirov | ChatFrame1:AddMessage(msg) |
| 17:23.12 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: found a post (before the forums went fubar), stating that the realms would be down untill 22.00, and everyone would get 1 day compensation |
| 17:23.17 | TS|Skrom | or just do Message( ) if it's a single line |
| 17:23.22 | TS|Skrom | will pop up a message box |
| 17:23.32 | Kirov | message() not Message |
| 17:23.40 | TS|Skrom | yeah I know.. finger slipped :p |
| 17:23.59 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: I stick to only checking the posts on realm status/general forum; which 8 minutes ago still remained unchanged from 3 hours ago |
| 17:24.14 | kelvie | anyone know where I can find the scripting changes for this patch? |
| 17:24.20 | Maldivia | Thundergot made a post on the general, with that |
| 17:24.28 | kelvie | something broke in one of my core addons with no maintainers :x |
| 17:24.28 | Kirov | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=412845&p=1&tmp=1#post412845 |
| 17:24.52 | kelvie | oh thanks Kirov |
| 17:24.54 | Kirov | wdn.wowinterface.com is also a good resource |
| 17:25.25 | Kirov | gotta go. |
| 17:25.29 | kelvie | mm nothing big changed :x |
| 17:25.43 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: I see no such top-level post anyway, was it a reply? |
| 17:25.58 | Kirov | kelvie - usually if an addon breaks it's because of assumptions it's made about the existing UI code rather than the API |
| 17:26.02 | Maldivia | hmm, looks like they removed it again |
| 17:26.05 | Kirov | API is fairly stable |
| 17:26.08 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: http://www.webbdesign.se/wow/serversonline2200.jpg |
| 17:26.14 | Kirov | the UI code can be rather volitile |
| 17:26.33 | kelvie | Kirov: hrm :x |
| 17:26.55 | kelvie | aw dragonmaw's down so I can't test |
| 17:26.56 | zenzelezz | login screen still says "no ETA" at least |
| 17:27.11 | zenzelezz | I'm about to stop bothering and just do something else until tomorrow >:-| |
| 17:29.36 | zenzelezz | I wonder why Blizzard don't seem to realize (or care) that many of us would settle for just being told what was going on, or suspected to be going on |
| 17:31.31 | Kirkburn1 | Because they don't know what to say? |
| 17:31.43 | Kirkburn1 | "Nothing has changed. We still don't have an ETA." |
| 17:31.48 | Kirkburn1 | What else do you expect? |
| 17:31.50 | zenzelezz | I'd be thrilled at that |
| 17:31.57 | zenzelezz | hey, some servers are actually up now :-o |
| 17:32.30 | Kirkburn1 | The news note has gone! |
| 17:33.07 | Kirkburn1 | Looks like the news is getting better :D |
| 17:33.35 | Kirkburn1 | lol Aerie Peak is full |
| 17:33.51 | Kirkburn1 | Queue of 1000 :) |
| 17:33.52 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 17:34.14 | zenzelezz | 300 on Lightbringer |
| 17:34.27 | zenzelezz | even Ravenholdt has queue, 425 |
| 17:34.48 | Kirkburn1 | I'm guessing a lot of people just want to get onto any available realm |
| 17:35.21 | Kirkburn1 | The queue must be just to limit how quickly log on |
| 17:35.26 | kelvie | weird... is there anything different inside the new BGs that will cause unit target functions to malfunction? |
| 17:35.38 | Kirkburn1 | *how quickly everyone logs in, I mean |
| 17:35.40 | kelvie | I have a function that detects my health... but it doesn't seem to work in BGs |
| 17:35.57 | zenzelezz | sounds odd |
| 17:36.23 | Kirkburn1 | Well, it would prevent overloading |
| 17:36.23 | kelvie | arg I wish my server was up so I can test on my bigger druid :x |
| 17:36.48 | Kirkburn1 | At least we know it's not a total hardware failure |
| 17:37.02 | kelvie | wait.. how many servers are down? |
| 17:37.09 | zenzelezz | I would be perplexed if the patch managed to destroy all servers |
| 17:37.19 | Kirkburn1 | Aye |
| 17:37.31 | Kirkburn1 | On the EU side, about 15 english servers are up |
| 17:37.42 | Hexarobi | im on perenolde |
| 17:37.59 | zenzelezz | 1355 queue on Aerie Peak :-p |
| 17:39.44 | zenzelezz | I wonder if there's any connection between the servers that are online, or just random |
| 17:40.42 | TS|Skrom | They all have the GM's personal characters on them. |
| 17:45.35 | Kaso | Its the hamburg datacenter thats come up on EU |
| 17:46.25 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-102.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 17:46.50 | ckknight | hey all |
| 17:46.54 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 17:50.15 | kelvie | one of my guildies is a GM... and my server's still down :( |
| 17:50.42 | zenzelezz | still only see the same 16 servers online :-/ |
| 17:54.54 | Kaso | kelvie if he told you he was a gm i doubt he is a gm |
| 17:55.34 | kelvie | Kaso: naw he is |
| 17:55.39 | kelvie | he got the job recently |
| 17:55.57 | zenzelezz | might not keep it long if he tells people about it |
| 17:55.59 | kelvie | he's been applying for a while |
| 17:56.01 | kelvie | hehe |
| 17:56.37 | kelvie | I don't think there's a rule he has to keep it secret |
| 17:56.44 | zenzelezz | I do think there is |
| 17:56.48 | kelvie | otherwise his entire family wouldn't be allowed to play WoW |
| 17:57.15 | kelvie | or any of his friends for that matter |
| 17:57.15 | kelvie | he'd have to keep his job a secret from his friends :x |
| 17:58.08 | zenzelezz | everyone would question every single thing that happened to his character(s), his guild(s), his friends |
| 17:58.20 | zenzelezz | "zomg GM haxx" |
| 17:58.20 | kelvie | haha.. I'm sure everything a GM does is logged |
| 17:58.28 | kelvie | and blizz does checks on this kind of stuff |
| 17:58.32 | zenzelezz | doesn't matter, people would still accuse them |
| 17:58.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Maldivia (i=the_real@85.24.43.252) |
| 18:04.06 | kelvie | some of the core devs are in guilds no? |
| 18:04.12 | zenzelezz | I imagine it's similar to a doctor's patient confidentiality; some things they just aren't allowed to tell |
| 18:04.16 | kelvie | and do not keep it a secret |
| 18:04.24 | zenzelezz | quite possible that I'm wrong, but I'd find it very bad practice to allow them to reveal such positions |
| 18:04.30 | kelvie | Tigole is in some guild.. |
| 18:04.34 | kelvie | forget which one |
| 18:04.49 | Cairenn | a) you're not supposed to tell people you're a GM |
| 18:04.55 | Cairenn | b) you aren't allowed to be a GM on the same server as your "playing" characters |
| 18:04.55 | Cairenn | c) you're not allowed to give out your GM name |
| 18:04.56 | kelvie | I'm sure it's hard to hide a) from your RL friends |
| 18:05.12 | Cairenn | yeah, well, that's why b & c |
| 18:05.34 | Cairenn | and note, it's "you're not SUPPOSED to" |
| 18:05.35 | kelvie | hehe |
| 18:05.35 | Cairenn | doesn't mean people don't |
| 18:05.36 | Cairenn | but the game companies are smart enough to realize that people do, hence b and c |
| 18:05.36 | Cairenn | b is the only one they can really enforce |
| 18:05.36 | kelvie | yeah |
| 18:05.36 | kelvie | b) and c) make sense |
| 18:05.37 | zenzelezz | "he can't do it himself on his play char, so he asked a GM friend" |
| 18:05.38 | zenzelezz | people always find a way to accuse someone |
| 18:05.46 | Cairenn | I've had (and still have) lots of friends/guildmates who are GMs, I know they are GMs, but I don't know which server(s) (or hell, even which games) they are GMs on, and I don't know their GM character names |
| 18:05.56 | Cairenn | mind you, they also know that they can trust me to keep my mouth shut about the fact they are GMs |
| 18:18.38 | Cairenn | that's the other thing is that if your friend is telling you he is a GM, he is trusting you to keep *your* mouth shut about the fact |
| 18:18.38 | Cairenn | don't abuse his trust in you |
| 18:18.40 | Beladona | most games have rules about GM's telling people they are GM's, however it is very difficult to police |
| 18:18.50 | Beladona | so it happens anyway |
| 18:19.01 | Hexarobi | <Cairenn> mind you, they also know that they can trust me to keep my mouth shut about the fact they are GMs |
| 18:19.08 | Cairenn | Hexarobi: and? |
| 18:19.13 | Beladona | it came up in this channel |
| 18:19.18 | Beladona | so its not quiet |
| 18:19.21 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 18:19.21 | Hexarobi | your telling us all about em!@ |
| 18:19.24 | Cairenn | have you heard a single name from me? |
| 18:19.33 | Cairenn | no, I'm not |
| 18:19.36 | Hexarobi | <Cairenn> billy bob thorton is a GM |
| 18:19.45 | Cairenn | I've said I've got friends that are GMs, I didn't say who they are :p |
| 18:19.45 | Hexarobi | i reckon id summon me up some french fried potaters mmm hmmm |
| 18:19.59 | Kalroth | I bet Cairenn is a GM and she's just not telling us! |
| 18:20.05 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@208.104.133.240) |
| 18:20.13 | zenzelezz | but you still did reveal that someone you know trusted you to... well, not reveal it. Even if you didn't mention names |
| 18:20.13 | Hexarobi | ya, she told me, but she doesnt trust YOU not to go blabbin all over |
| 18:20.36 | Kalroth | zenzelezz: I know GMs too, big deal? :) |
| 18:20.51 | Hexarobi | ok i admit it, im a GM |
| 18:20.51 | Kalroth | Blizzard does actually have a lot of employee and quite a few of those play WoW too |
| 18:20.59 | Hexarobi | go ahead and shower me with praise and affection |
| 18:21.12 | zenzelezz | of course |
| 18:21.30 | zenzelezz | I'm just one of those that believe that GMs should remain utterly anonymous |
| 18:21.34 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: well, the fact that I've got friends/colleagues/guildmates in the gaming industry isn't exactly any big surprise |
| 18:38.26 | Osagasu | I'm so torn.... I hate talent points. ;_; |
| 18:38.31 | zenzelezz | I was disappointed about talent points when I realized everyone gets them |
| 18:38.42 | zenzelezz | they sounded more like a bonus for... having talent =D |
| 18:39.24 | Osagasu | Yeah but I want to be able to do all three things that a shaman is made for on my shaman, but its hard to do that without severely gimping oneself |
| 18:39.29 | zenzelezz | two of six data centers back online... well, that's progress =) |
| 18:41.50 | YammYgirlcoding | \o/ |
| 18:59.08 | zenzelezz | if my server would only get back online, I might just get a ZG run or something :-o |
| 19:02.22 | Shadowed | https://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/expansion/#none looks like it's back |
| 19:02.36 | Cairenn | hrm, but that's EU ... whether to click or not click ... |
| 19:02.43 | Osagasu | Sending who? |
| 19:02.47 | cogwheel | those of us who got the beta access code from BlizzCon... |
| 19:02.56 | TS|Skrom | nope |
| 19:02.59 | cogwheel | we had to sign up on the website and they said they'd be sending us an e-mail notifying us of the upcoming beta |
| 19:03.03 | TS|Skrom | not gonna do that, even if it is legit they don't need that info to upgrade my account to beta access |
| 19:03.07 | Legorol | wow, that link Shadowed link is interesting |
| 19:17.45 | Kirkburn1 | Shadowed, I see what you mean |
| 19:17.45 | TS|Skrom | I call BS on the link |
| 19:17.45 | cogwheel | How could it be BS? |
| 19:17.45 | Kirkburn1 | Wonder if they thought every would forget it that quickly :P |
| 19:17.46 | Kirkburn1 | It's real |
| 19:17.46 | cogwheel | It's on their servers... |
| 19:17.46 | Kirkburn1 | Thundgot has confirmed it as real |
| 19:17.46 | Osagasu | TS, can I have your code then? |
| 19:17.46 | Osagasu | '>> |
| 19:17.49 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 19:17.49 | Kirkburn1 | It's how the alpha testers get in |
| 19:17.50 | TS|Skrom | that's stupid though, they shouldn't do things like that when they say on the loading screen "We will enver ask you for your account name or password" |
| 19:17.59 | Kirkburn1 | That's a login screen |
| 19:18.03 | Legorol | isn't that a US link? |
| 19:18.06 | Legorol | what does Thundgot to do with it? |
| 19:18.06 | Kirkburn1 | It's like saying the account pages are also against their own rules |
| 19:18.09 | cogwheel | TS|Skrom, that's like complaining that you have to put in your username and password when you want to play the game... |
| 19:18.15 | Kirkburn1 | Yeah, it's US, which is where the alpha test is, of course :) |
| 19:18.19 | TS|Skrom | beta.worldofwarcraft.com could be spoofed |
| 19:18.23 | Kirkburn1 | It's not though :P |
| 19:18.28 | Shadowed | Legorol it was on the EU forums for about 10 seconds |
| 19:18.28 | Shadowed | then they took it down |
| 19:18.31 | Kirkburn1 | Proofity proof :) http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general-en/1220691.htm |
| 19:18.34 | Legorol | oh, i just noticed that there is a lnaguage selector on top-right |
| 19:18.38 | Legorol | and beta.wow-europe.com also redirects to that page |
| 19:18.38 | cogwheel | TS|Skrom, domain names don't work that way... Blizzard are in complete control of worldofwarcraft.com... there's no way you can "spoof" a domain name without hacking into their servers... |
| 19:18.44 | Shadowed | see :p |
| 19:18.47 | Shadowed | Notice that in the agreement it says "Friend of Family" |
| 19:18.54 | Shadowed | it's not for us |
| 19:18.54 | Cairenn | "game key"? |
| 19:18.57 | Kirkburn1 | Thundgot actually posted another reply afterwards mentioning he used it himself |
| 19:19.01 | End | Cairenn: beta game key probably? |
| 19:19.01 | Legorol | lol, Thundgot's funny |
| 19:19.04 | Kirkburn1 | =) |
| 19:19.08 | Shadowed | could also be serial to make sure it's a valid account |
| 19:19.11 | Legorol | so, sounds like the friends & family phase of the beta (or rather Alhpa) will or is starting soon |
| 19:19.11 | Legorol | i imagine the blizzcon/honor contest winners will come later |
| 19:19.14 | Kirkburn1 | I'm pretty sure it already has started |
| 19:19.17 | Legorol | hmmmm.. |
| 19:19.17 | Kirkburn1 | We've already had some info leaked from it |
| 19:19.22 | Kirkburn1 | It *might* be fake, of course |
| 19:19.27 | cogwheel | some of those vids would be REALLY hard to fake |
| 19:19.30 | Kirkburn1 | But the alpha is almost certainly currently running |
| 19:19.31 | Kirkburn1 | Vids? |
| 19:19.35 | cogwheel | blood elf mounts... |
| 19:19.38 | Shadowed | http://www.shangified.com/expac.txt fun! |
| 19:19.41 | Kirkburn | Wha?! |
| 19:19.41 | Legorol | hm, if alpha is running.. |
| 19:19.44 | cogwheel | flying mounts... |
| 19:19.52 | cogwheel | stuff like that. |
| 19:19.52 | Legorol | would people on the Blizz Friends List be on it? |
| 19:19.56 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, links? |
| 19:19.59 | cogwheel | sec... |
| 19:20.01 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf69_FPFHN0 |
| 19:20.25 | cogwheel | if that's faked, they did a damned good job... |
| 19:20.32 | TS|Skrom | I have no doubt the alpha is running. |
| 19:20.32 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdBsH25a_I&mode=related&search= |
| 19:20.37 | TS|Skrom | But the whole asking for an account name, password, and game key sounds like a scam to me |
| 19:20.41 | Kirkburn | That's ... not very good |
| 19:20.45 | Miravlix | Any Auctioneer people around? Norganna.org doesn't resolv anymore. |
| 19:20.55 | cogwheel | TS|Skrom, it's a LOGIN screen. |
| 19:21.00 | Shadowed | I doubt that's the BE mount |
| 19:21.03 | Shadowed | It wouldn |
| 19:21.06 | Shadowed | It wouldn't be that hard to fake |
| 19:21.14 | Cairenn | TS|Skrom: /sigh |
| 19:39.23 | Kirkburn | It's nothing like a cockatrice |
| 19:39.23 | TS|Skrom | no... login screen would be name and password, not name/pw/account key |
| 19:39.24 | Shadowed | TS|Skrom they have to either ask it *now* or make you login and ask for it |
| 19:39.24 | TS|Skrom | then do the latter! |
| 19:39.24 | cogwheel | TS|Skrom, that key is probably the beta access key not the WoW CD key |
| 19:39.25 | End | like I said before, it's probably a beta key |
| 19:39.26 | Shadowed | Overparania is bad |
| 19:39.31 | Kirkburn | A cockatrice is supposed to be a non-flying version of a dragonhawk |
| 19:39.31 | cogwheel | Not to mention that, there is NO WAY to spoof beta.worldofwarcraft.com without hacking into their servers. I have a little more faith in Blizz's web team than that. |
| 19:39.36 | TS|Skrom | look It may very well be legit, but the implementation is crazy |
| 19:39.44 | End | you'll probably see a similar screen when they do the honor one |
| 19:39.44 | Kirkburn | It's just a beta :P |
| 19:39.48 | TS|Skrom | I don't... people spoof ebay all the time |
| 19:39.57 | cogwheel | TS|Skrom, yes, but it's never ebay.com |
| 19:39.57 | cogwheel | it's always something like e-bay.com or ebay.tk or something stupid |
| 19:40.17 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, it's an interesting video, but outland doesn't look 'right' to me |
| 19:40.28 | Cairenn | TS|Skrom: this is going to come out incredibly rude, but I don't know how else to put it ... the folks in this channel usually have a modicum of common sense and intelligence ... please be one of them, which you aren't currently |
| 19:40.37 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 19:40.37 | TS|Skrom | O.o |
| 19:40.42 | Kirkburn | It's really really real TS|Skrom :) |
| 19:40.47 | Kyahx|afk | Hmm, sucks to be me. I think its legit and I have no idea where my game CDs are :P |
| 19:41.01 | Kirkburn | And it doesn't work without a correct key |
| 19:41.16 | Shadowed | It's for an alpha key |
| 19:41.16 | Shadowed | requires an alpha key* |
| 19:41.25 | Kyahx | boo |
| 19:41.25 | Kyahx | I was going to try with my regurlar key :P |
| 19:41.31 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, thinking about it, it's fake |
| 19:41.41 | TS|Skrom | Fine I guess since I'm not being intelligent I'll just shut up. I tend to think that I have a "modicum of common sense and intelligence" myself. I also manage three domains of my own and tend to think I know what I'm talking about concerning domains in general. |
| 19:41.52 | Kirkburn | (the BE mount video) |
| 19:42.03 | zenzelezz | Skrom: "I do this and that" don't work on IRC |
| 19:42.11 | Shadowed | IT's easy enough to fake if you have a private server, or even doing some small work to change textures |
| 19:42.14 | Kirkburn | A *blizzard employee* has told us it's real |
| 19:42.28 | Kirkburn | What more proof do you need? |
| 19:42.36 | TS|Skrom | linky? |
| 19:42.50 | TS|Skrom | because I never saw that |
| 19:42.50 | Kirkburn | I already did |
| 19:43.05 | TS|Skrom | Sorry, I am at work and sometimes miss chat |
| 19:43.15 | Cairenn | and *that* is why I said what I did, because the link to the Blizz CM post was given |
| 19:43.15 | Kirkburn | <Kirkburn1> Proofity proof :) http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general-en/1220691.htm |
| 19:43.18 | TS|Skrom | Thanks Kirk |
| 19:43.25 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 19:43.37 | cogwheel | Honestly, if you manage domains, you should know your DNS is in complete control of any subdomains. beta.worldofwarcraft.com cannot be spoofed because worldofwarcraft.com has complete control over it. |
| 19:43.44 | TS|Skrom | Cog, how do you know they run their own dns? |
| 19:43.53 | TS|Skrom | They might manage it through a third party |
| 19:43.57 | cogwheel | So, you're saying their ISP is spoofing it?! |
| 19:43.57 | TS|Skrom | No, but someone could access the dns records of their isp and spoof it. It IS possible. |
| 19:58.51 | TS|Skrom | It's been done before to many different sites. |
| 19:58.51 | cogwheel | Do you really think it would still be there if that were the case? |
| 19:58.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn1 (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 19:58.52 | cogwheel | Obviously a large portion of the player base knows about it. |
| 19:58.52 | Kirkburn1 | If beta.worldofwarcraft were faked, we'd have a lawsuit on our hands :P |
| 19:58.52 | cogwheel | beyond that, it was mentioned that it appeared on the EU servers too |
| 19:58.56 | Kirkburn1 | In any case, look at the login site and see what dates are mentioned on the page |
| 19:59.16 | cogwheel | it would take a highly organized international conspiracy to pull off something like that. |
| 19:59.16 | TS|Skrom | Look, cog, I'm not arguing the fact that I think it's fake anymore. The link Kirk provided (that I missed the first time and solicited the very unwelcome comments regarding) I AM saying that it COULD be spoofed |
| 19:59.16 | Kirkburn1 | "Note: To participate in the alpha and beta tests, you must have a valid retail World of Warcraft account active as of August 14, 2006." |
| 19:59.17 | TS|Skrom | But I don't think it IS |
| 19:59.17 | Kirkburn1 | OKay, okay - we weren't to know you'd missed the link I linked |
| 19:59.17 | cogwheel | And I'm saying, even if it COULD be, none of the facts should have led to the assumption that it WAS even without the link to the blue post |
| 20:00.05 | cogwheel | Anyway, regarding the BE mounts, they would most likely be something that lives in the Quel'thalas area. AFAIK, there are no striders in the eastern kingdoms... |
| 20:00.13 | Kirkburn1 | Pretty sure there aren't |
| 20:00.17 | TS|Skrom | The facts? It's on a worldofwarcraft.com domain (not substantial proof in my experience) the dates? Could have been planned well in advance. The fact that it's still up? I thought yesterday that when this was linked it went down quickly...would indicate it was either fake or unexpected. It's re-emergence would indicate it's legit but 1 out of 3 to me isn't good. |
| 20:00.57 | TS|Skrom | At any rate if you hold on a minute I'll go spoof paypal and send you a link ;-) |
| 20:00.57 | Kirkburn1 | The EU version went down soon after it was posted, but it may have been a load issue of course |
| 20:01.14 | TS|Skrom | I can always use more cash. |
| 20:01.41 | Kirkburn1 | Let's not be sidetracked here ... we *kno* it's real, so can we leave it at that? |
| 20:02.12 | TS|Skrom | Yes indeed. Those mounts are hideous |
| 20:02.25 | Kirkburn1 | The video is a fake, don't worry about that |
| 20:02.32 | TS|Skrom | Sorry was just trying to join the conversation already in progress. |
| 20:02.36 | cogwheel | Just pondering some of the creatures that live up in that direction... |
| 20:02.39 | cogwheel | Maybe blood hounds? |
| 20:02.42 | zenzelezz | I'm sure the BEs will just get another cat mount of some sort |
| 20:02.49 | Kirkburn1 | The mount is a cockatrice |
| 20:41.16 | ckknight | not Cockatrice? |
| 20:41.16 | TS|Skrom | hehe you'd see BE guilds pop up called "Blood Hound Gang" in a second |
| 20:41.16 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 20:41.16 | Kirkburn1 | http://wowwiki.com/Cockatrice |
| 20:41.17 | Kirkburn1 | It's a 'baby' dragonhawk :) |
| 20:41.17 | TS|Skrom | nice tie in |
| 20:41.17 | TS|Skrom | we havn't seen dragonhawks yet though have we? |
| 20:41.17 | cogwheel | hmmmm.... I'm still skeptical... |
| 20:41.18 | cogwheel | All of the other races have mounts that are creatures that live near the starting areas |
| 20:41.22 | TS|Skrom | do they only exist in Quel'Thalas? |
| 20:41.26 | cogwheel | except for gnomes :P |
| 20:41.31 | TS|Skrom | hehe |
| 20:41.36 | Kirkburn1 | Dragonhawks aren't in WoW yet, no |
| 20:42.05 | Kirkburn1 | They're in WC3, though |
| 20:42.14 | ckknight | BEs already stole and enslaved a Naaru, why can't they go and steal a bunch of Dragonhawks? |
| 20:42.40 | Kirkburn1 | As I said, cockatrices are baby dragonhawks |
| 20:42.50 | Kirkburn1 | So, effectively, they have |
| 20:42.54 | Kirkburn1 | :) |
| 20:43.15 | Kirkburn1 | Dragonhawks will hopefully be another rare flying mount |
| 20:43.44 | Kirkburn | The draenei mount is an oliphaunt ;) |
| 20:44.20 | TS|Skrom | haha |
| 20:44.28 | TS|Skrom | Oh that reminds me, time for elevensies |
| 20:44.46 | TS|Skrom | hrm? |
| 20:45.12 | cogwheel | I made a post on the macros forum. I had to edit it because i used a capital where it should've been miniscule. It wouldn't let me post saying "Already Posted" |
| 20:45.50 | Maldivia | yeah, I usually just add something at the end :) |
| 20:45.54 | Kirkburn | It's just sooo insensitive :( |
| 21:08.09 | zenzelezz | stupid Frankfurt data center :-( |
| 21:08.20 | Maldivia | stupid Parid data center :| |
| 21:08.31 | Maldivia | Paris aswell |
| 21:09.14 | YammYgirlcoding | how u guys know which server are up or not? |
| 21:09.27 | Laric_ | realmlist :P |
| 21:09.46 | Maldivia | "Hamburg" and "Paris 3" realms are up |
| 21:09.46 | Maldivia | rest are still down |
| 21:09.52 | zenzelezz | YammYgirlcoding: http://www.wowwiki.com/EU_English_Realms_Info |
| 21:10.36 | zenzelezz | check the server list against that list and you'll see which data centers are up |
| 21:10.56 | YammYgirlcoding | ah i tought it was the real datacenter country ^^ |
| 21:11.05 | Maldivia | Yamm, it is |
| 21:11.14 | YammYgirlcoding | hmm O.o |
| 21:11.19 | Maldivia | hehe, all realms currently up have 2k queues :) |
| 21:11.28 | YammYgirlcoding | ah there is a country field ^^ |
| 21:11.42 | YammYgirlcoding | yay warsong is back! \o/ |
| 21:27.54 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@ohm.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 21:27.54 | JoshBorke | hola |
| 21:27.54 | Maldivia | halo |
| 21:27.54 | Cairenn | hi JoshBorke |
| 21:27.55 | Kalroth | hej Josh! |
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| 21:28.44 | YammYgirlcoding | O.o when it says the realm is 'launch' it's supposed to be up, right? |
| 21:28.59 | TS|Skrom | no, that means that the realm was one of the original realms when the game came out |
| 21:28.59 | YammYgirlcoding | aaanh |
| 21:29.20 | TS|Skrom | fresh means it wasn't a luanch but it started as a no transfer |
| 21:29.29 | TS|Skrom | migration means it was created to ease the load of another server |
| 21:29.41 | YammYgirlcoding | so if the server is the original, is that a bad thing? |
| 21:30.00 | TS|Skrom | no not necessarily |
| 21:30.08 | zenzelezz | depends on how you see it |
| 21:30.08 | Kirkburn | norris means that Barrens Chat has talen over the server :P |
| 21:30.16 | TS|Skrom | it typically means there are more high end pve guilds |
| 21:30.21 | Kirkburn | *taken |
| 21:30.21 | Maldivia | Yamm: the site has no information about which servers are up and not, it's just a list of all the realms |
| 21:30.26 | zenzelezz | bigger chance of queues, but not necessarily |
| 21:30.41 | YammYgirlcoding | hmm |
| 21:30.42 | TS|Skrom | on pvp servers it means the top end guilds will be very well equipped |
| 21:31.06 | TS|Skrom | there will usually be quite a few more twinks on established servers as well as a more stable (though often inflated) economy |
| 21:31.06 | Maldivia | Yamm: well, beside that we know the realms hosted at the Hamburg Paris3 hosting sites are online, which we can see on the realm list |
| 21:31.12 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: not before now? All I saw in The Barrens /1 from October to February was Chuck Norris chat, occasionally vs. Vin Diesel |
| 21:31.36 | YammYgirlcoding | on my server i saw many big guilds movin to another servers because of the long waiting lines. now the server is like a ghost city , no lines, and no people |
| 21:52.39 | TS|Skrom | That' |
| 21:52.39 | TS|Skrom | 's the other extreme |
| 21:52.56 | TS|Skrom | The login/authentication servers are in the Paris IP range. |
| 21:52.56 | YammYgirlcoding | you see some paris servers on? strange, just warsong is not up? :( |
| 21:52.56 | TS|Skrom | >< when will game companies learn to have seperate login servers for each datacenter... |
| 21:52.56 | zenzelezz | only Paris3, not Paris1+2 |
| 21:52.57 | YammYgirlcoding | server/realms |
| 21:53.07 | TS|Skrom | it's like ONE more machine in a room of 100 |
| 21:53.13 | YammYgirlcoding | agree |
| 21:53.13 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, perhaps an additional "immaturity level" column should be added, ranging from "smarty-pants" to "red norris alert!" |
| 21:53.26 | zenzelezz | hrm... I don't get the "breaking news" pane now |
| 21:53.49 | Legorol | although i missed most of the conversation, i will toss in a small comment about beta.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 21:53.56 | TS|Skrom | Kirk: great idea lol |
| 21:53.56 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: I did see addons on ui.WoW that stopped any chat containing Chuck Norris to be stopped |
| 21:54.07 | Legorol | Blizzard has been using it up until about a week ago, for the forum tests |
| 21:54.16 | zenzelezz | er... stopped them from being displayed |
| 21:54.31 | Legorol | so they are in control of the domain name, and are regularly using it |
| 21:55.08 | Kirkburn | Legorol, good point |
| 21:55.13 | TS|Skrom | Lego: That would have been great support in favor. I don't check the forums regularly (and only really go to the mod section) so didn't even know about any beta forums XD |
| 21:56.13 | YammYgirlcoding | Legorol ! hello darling! how is it goin? =) |
| 21:56.39 | YammYgirlcoding | will blizz give us extra rest xp/gold for this extra annoying mantainance thing? :/ |
| 21:56.39 | Legorol | fine thanks, waiting for my realm to come up :) |
| 21:56.50 | Legorol | and also being screwed over by the drying machine in the laundry room |
| 21:56.51 | Legorol | it just doesn't work |
| 21:56.51 | Legorol | so now i'm stuck with a pile of wet laundry |
| 21:56.51 | TS|Skrom | O.o smack it around |
| 21:56.51 | YammYgirlcoding | I never have a day off. When I finally get one, damm blizz happen to shut servers down :/// |
| 21:56.51 | zenzelezz | "Cannot connect to the news server" |
| 21:56.51 | zenzelezz | never have Wednesdays off |
| 21:56.51 | Legorol | there's one thing i noticed about the beta.worldofwarcraft.com site |
| 21:56.53 | Legorol | during the forum betas, the US and EU beta forums were separate |
| 21:56.58 | TS|Skrom | say: "Look machine! I'm a Level 60 <insert class> and I can <insert imbalanced power> all over your <brand name of dryer> ass!" |
| 22:21.39 | Legorol | the US one ran on beta.worldofwarcraft.com, the EU one ran on beta.wow-europe.com |
| 22:21.39 | Legorol | now the latter redirects to the former, but the language selection in the top-right is set to EU |
| 22:21.40 | Legorol | i think this is good news, sounds like from now on the sites will be merged under one domain name |
| 22:21.40 | TS|Skrom | cool |
| 22:21.40 | Legorol | i never liked www.wow-europe.com |
| 22:21.40 | TS|Skrom | bout time... |
| 22:21.40 | Legorol | anyway, i think that's more proof they are in control :) |
| 22:21.40 | zenzelezz | think we'll get joint forums then? |
| 22:21.48 | JoshBorke | krka!!! :-( |
| 22:21.54 | Kirkburn | lol, no |
| 22:22.04 | zenzelezz | so EU finally can post on the bug reports forum amongst other things |
| 22:22.13 | Kirkburn | But the beta may be worldwide |
| 22:22.13 | Legorol | well, i don't know if it will be joint forums |
| 22:22.44 | Legorol | just hosted under same domain name |
| 22:22.48 | TS|Skrom | in this day and age of high capacity pipelines it's silly to think you have to have regionally based websites... |
| 22:22.55 | Legorol | btw, another fact that makes it unlikely to be a spoof: |
| 22:22.55 | Legorol | when you visit beta.worldofwarcraft.com and you fiddle with the language selector, |
| 22:22.55 | Legorol | the URL's last portion changes between ?sid=1 (for US) and ?sid=2 (for EU) |
| 22:22.55 | zenzelezz | I think we ended the spoof discussion already |
| 22:22.55 | Legorol | i guess sid stands for site ID |
| 22:22.56 | Legorol | ah, ok zenzelezz, i missed the end bit :) |
| 22:22.56 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 22:22.56 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:22.56 | Legorol | anyway, i was just going to point out that that parameter in the URL was also there when the beta forums were up |
| 22:22.57 | Legorol | one thing i'm curious though |
| 22:23.01 | YammYgirlcoding | anyone knows what time is it now for the pst time? |
| 22:23.08 | Legorol | you guys seemed to have stumbled on a page that asks for some CD-key |
| 22:23.11 | Legorol | PST = GMT-7 |
| 22:23.16 | Legorol | so now it's 12:26 |
| 22:23.41 | Legorol | sorry my bad |
| 22:24.06 | YammYgirlcoding | hmm i'm gmt -3 here. how I calculate the diference time? |
| 22:24.09 | Legorol | PST = GMT-8 |
| 22:24.13 | Legorol | PDT = GMT-7 |
| 22:24.17 | TS|Skrom | was going to say... |
| 22:24.25 | Legorol | YammYgirlcoding, did you mean PST or PDT |
| 22:24.25 | TS|Skrom | hehe I'm cst and we are -6 |
| 22:24.43 | Legorol | TS|Skrom: you are unlikely to be CST |
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| 22:24.49 | YammYgirlcoding | du now, wchich one the game mentions to back? |
| 22:24.50 | Legorol | most likely you are CDT |
| 22:24.50 | Legorol | there are very very few places in the US that are currently on CST |
| 22:24.50 | Legorol | which doesn't mean you can't be one of them, of course |
| 22:24.50 | Legorol | i think it's time for my educational explanation on time zones: |
| 22:24.50 | JoshBorke | me, i just choose to remain ignorant :-) |
| 22:24.50 | TS|Skrom | I'm 6 hours behind gmt so whatever that makes me lol |
| 22:24.50 | Legorol | you aren't probably |
| 22:24.52 | YammYgirlcoding | the game says it will back on 11am pst, i gues |
| 22:25.00 | Legorol | UTC = GMT = fixed, never changes with summer time |
| 22:25.15 | Legorol | the US time zones are: |
| 22:25.27 | JoshBorke | EST EDT CST CDT MDT MST PST PDT! |
| 22:25.40 | Legorol | PST = GMT-8, PDT = GMT-7, CST = GMT-6, CDT = GMT-5, EST = GMT-5, EDT = GMT-4 |
| 22:25.46 | Legorol | yeah roughly |
| 22:25.56 | Legorol | most of US at the moment is on PDT/CDT/EDT |
| 22:26.01 | JoshBorke | wait |
| 22:26.01 | YammYgirlcoding | and which one the game uses? |
| 22:40.45 | JoshBorke | i thought there was 4 time zones? |
| 22:40.45 | JoshBorke | blasted |
| 22:40.45 | Legorol | well, there is yeah |
| 22:40.46 | Legorol | but i left out mountain for simplicity |
| 22:40.46 | Legorol | making them 7/5/4 hours behind GMT |
| 22:40.46 | Maldivia | there are 4, pacific, mountain, central and eastern |
| 22:40.47 | TS|Skrom | my problem is I can never remember which is summer and which is winter |
| 22:40.49 | Legorol | now bear in mind that this is due to summer time |
| 22:40.50 | Legorol | GMT does NOT change with summer time |
| 22:40.53 | JoshBorke | no one lives in the mountains anyway :-D |
| 22:40.55 | TS|Skrom | so summer is D? |
| 22:40.55 | Cairenn | there are *5* |
| 22:40.59 | Legorol | TS|Skrom: yes |
| 22:41.02 | Cairenn | atlantic |
| 22:41.07 | Legorol | so e.g. in Europe at the moment, the following is true: |
| 22:41.13 | YammYgirlcoding | i wonder why they just don't use GMT as a base time :/ |
| 22:41.17 | Legorol | in UK, it's BST = GMT+1, in most of Europe it's CEST = GMT+2 |
| 22:41.18 | Legorol | currently |
| 22:41.23 | JoshBorke | Cairenn, but those people in the atlantic are of like, 5 people, right? ^_^ |
| 22:41.36 | Cairenn | ~sigh josh |
| 22:41.42 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "josh!" |
| 22:41.42 | Maldivia | Cairenn: what about New Foundland Time Zone then ? |
| 22:41.42 | Legorol | now the confusion arises because most Americans use PST/PDT, CST/CDT and EST/EDT interchangably |
| 22:41.42 | Legorol | without being aware of the difference |
| 22:41.42 | Cairenn | Maldivia: that's atlantic |
| 22:41.43 | Legorol | the bottom line is taht, irrespective of whether it's summeer time or not, the following time differences hold: |
| 22:41.43 | Maldivia | Cairenn: no, there's 30min difference |
| 22:41.45 | Cairenn | no, sorry, you're right |
| 22:42.03 | Legorol | Pacific coast is 8 hours behind UK, East coast is 5 hours behind UK |
| 22:42.09 | Cairenn | I don't recall what the actual time zone is called |
| 22:42.17 | Legorol | and therefore 9/6 hours behind the rest of Europe respectively |
| 22:42.19 | Legorol | the thing that tends to confuse most people is that they assume GMT changes with summer time, but it doesn't |
| 22:42.22 | YammYgirlcoding | ah the game says 11:49 AM PDT..it's....GMT -7 right? |
| 22:42.26 | TS|Skrom | Cair: Lego is 'splaining US time zones... Atlantic is only in Canada, the islands and South America |
| 22:42.33 | Cairenn | Legorol: that's not completely correct, the "east coast" of Canada is 4 hrs, so saying "east coast" isn't completely accurate |
| 22:42.42 | Legorol | sorry, i am trying to simplify here for US people :) |
| 22:43.05 | Cairenn | yeah, well, there's more to N.A. than just the US, much as they'd like to think they're the center of the world |
| 22:43.27 | Legorol | by East coast i mean the Eastern time zone, which is EST/EDT |
| 22:43.39 | TS|Skrom | he never said NA he just said US |
| 22:43.39 | Legorol | Cairenn: i know |
| 22:43.39 | Legorol | i'm sorry if i'd offended you |
| 22:43.40 | JoshBorke | btw, Maine is affected by the Atlantia Time Zone |
| 22:43.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirov_ (n=Kirov@204.155.78.126) |
| 22:43.40 | Legorol | YammYgirlcoding: the game adjusts to summer time |
| 22:43.40 | JoshBorke | ~huggle Cairenn |
| 22:43.50 | Kirov_ | zomg |
| 22:43.50 | Legorol | if the game time is PDT, then it's indeed GMT-7, and it's therefore 8 hours behind UK currently |
| 22:43.51 | TS|Skrom | meh don't apologize she can take her snobby attitude and her ugly singers back to alberta :P |
| 22:43.51 | YammYgirlcoding | ok. If they se 11am PDT that is GMT -7. And here is GMT -3. How many hours I have to count forward their time ? |
| 22:43.51 | Gryphen | they should just use swatch beat |
| 22:54.37 | Cairenn | Legorol: you didn't, I'm just giving you a rough time |
| 22:54.37 | Kirov_ | I'm logged in ... at work ... not using a @#%! web irc! |
| 22:54.37 | Legorol | Cairenn: i love you too :) |
| 22:54.37 | JoshBorke | Kirov_, yay! |
| 22:54.37 | YammYgirlcoding | i'm confuse |
| 22:54.37 | Legorol | YammYgirlcoding: ok let me figure your time out :) |
| 22:54.37 | Legorol | first things first |
| 22:54.38 | Legorol | where are you :) |
| 22:54.38 | Legorol | and are you sure you are on GMT-3 |
| 22:54.38 | YammYgirlcoding | ya |
| 22:54.38 | YammYgirlcoding | here is 4:30 PM |
| 22:54.38 | Legorol | ehm... |
| 22:54.45 | Legorol | then you are on GMT-5 |
| 22:54.57 | JoshBorke | erm |
| 22:54.57 | TS|Skrom | that'd be 3 alright |
| 22:55.02 | TS|Skrom | er all right |
| 22:55.05 | TS|Skrom | -5 is 2:30 |
| 22:55.14 | YammYgirlcoding | but but. I'm gmt -3 for sure |
| 22:55.27 | Legorol | oops my bad |
| 22:55.30 | TS|Skrom | we just had this discussion I'm -5 because it's summer :p |
| 22:55.33 | Cairenn | TS|Skrom: relax, I apologized before I even said it, but you have to admit that given all the info you were presented with (even if you did miss it, you *were* given it), and your continued "hysteria", would lead one to say "gimme a break, you're being hysterical" :p |
| 22:55.35 | YammYgirlcoding | i'm at south america |
| 22:55.35 | Legorol | lol, i thought 8-4 = 6 |
| 22:55.40 | Legorol | go me! |
| 22:55.46 | Legorol | yeah you are right! |
| 22:55.50 | Legorol | you are on GMT-3 |
| 22:55.52 | TS|Skrom | Cair, I wasn't even referring to that.. I was making a joke about Celine Dion... relax. |
| 22:55.56 | Legorol | so 11am PDT is 15pm for you |
| 22:56.03 | YammYgirlcoding | so what time is is at the pdt server now? |
| 22:56.03 | Cairenn | meh, I don't want Celine Dion back, the US can keep her :p |
| 22:56.09 | YammYgirlcoding | how u know? |
| 22:56.12 | TS|Skrom | NOOOOOOO |
| 22:56.27 | Legorol | ok i think it's time to link a world clock site :) |
| 22:56.33 | TS|Skrom | http://www.worldtimezone.com/ |
| 22:56.41 | YammYgirlcoding | lol |
| 22:56.41 | TS|Skrom | tee hee |
| 22:56.44 | Kirov | Cairenn - as long as she doesn't leave Las Vega, I'm peachy. |
| 22:56.49 | YammYgirlcoding | I gone to this site and had no idea where to go |
| 22:56.53 | TS|Skrom | if you want to know what time it is in CA click on USA from the top bar |
| 22:56.55 | TS|Skrom | then look at the western seaboard |
| 22:56.59 | YammYgirlcoding | let me see if I understand. from gmt -3 to gmt -7 there is -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 ? |
| 22:57.02 | TS|Skrom | you went the wrong way |
| 22:57.10 | TS|Skrom | -3, -4, -5, -6, -7 |
| 22:57.10 | YammYgirlcoding | ops |
| 22:57.20 | YammYgirlcoding | er... ya |
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| 22:57.28 | Legorol | personally, i like http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ |
| 22:57.29 | Legorol | it also has a link that lists all the acronyms |
| 22:57.34 | YammYgirlcoding | so I pick the 11 am , sum 5 hours and get my time to the server? |
| 22:57.37 | TS|Skrom | yep |
| 22:57.41 | YammYgirlcoding | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh got it ! :D |
| 22:57.41 | zenzelezz | I always used http://www.timezoneconverter.com/ |
| 22:57.43 | TS|Skrom | until sep sometime |
| 22:57.44 | TS|Skrom | when you will sum 6 |
| 22:57.52 | Gryphen | 8 |
| 22:57.54 | chuckg | Can anyone tell me how I revert back to a previous version from the SVN? |
| 22:57.55 | YammYgirlcoding | on summer, the gmt -7 will beocme gmt -8 ? |
| 22:57.56 | TS|Skrom | 6 from where Yamm is Gryph |
| 22:57.58 | TS|Skrom | yep yamm |
| 22:58.00 | Legorol | spam warning! |
| 22:58.01 | Legorol | Current time in various parts of US and Europe: |
| 23:10.25 | Legorol | PDT (GMT-7): 12:40 (US West coast) |
| 23:10.25 | Legorol | CDT (GMT-5): 14:40 |
| 23:10.25 | Legorol | EDT (GMT-4): 15:40 (Us East coast) |
| 23:10.25 | Legorol | BST (GMT+1): 20:40 (UK) |
| 23:10.25 | YammYgirlcoding | hmmm * a light bulb turns on over my head * hehe |
| 23:10.25 | Legorol | CEST (GMT+2): 21:40 (Rest of Europe) |
| 23:10.26 | TS|Skrom | hey wait... your -3 not -2 |
| 23:10.26 | TS|Skrom | you'd sum 4 and 5.. |
| 23:10.26 | Legorol | ehm.. YammYgirlcoding, no, in the summer GMT-8 becomes GMT-7 |
| 23:10.26 | YammYgirlcoding | but pdt is gmt -7 right? |
| 23:10.31 | Legorol | yes |
| 23:10.34 | Legorol | and it's summer right now |
| 23:10.44 | TS|Skrom | Oh right what Leg said, I got it backwards |
| 23:10.53 | YammYgirlcoding | aaaaaaaaaah |
| 23:10.53 | Legorol | the weather may not show it, but it *is* summer ;-) |
| 23:11.05 | Beladona | monkeys? |
| 23:11.06 | YammYgirlcoding | So It's taking longer for me to server get up :( |
| 23:11.10 | Legorol | currently, for US players i'd imagine the in-game clock shows PDT, which is GMT-7 |
| 23:11.14 | TS|Skrom | oh snap... Yamm are you in south america or Greenland? |
| 23:11.19 | Legorol | when winter comes, it will show PST, which is GMT-8 |
| 23:11.23 | Laric_ | is all the us realms up? |
| 23:11.27 | Legorol | YammYgirlcoding: does the place where you live usually have summer time or not? |
| 23:11.33 | TS|Skrom | Leg I think Yamm might be in SA but not sure yet... |
| 23:11.35 | YammYgirlcoding | by the way, they said the server would come back at 11AM PDT. Now they changed the message with no time to come back. you saw that? =( |
| 23:11.38 | YammYgirlcoding | I'm in south america |
| 23:11.53 | TS|Skrom | it IS winter there if she is |
| 23:11.55 | Beladona | Laric: up is a relative term |
| 23:12.02 | YammYgirlcoding | brasil |
| 23:12.02 | Beladona | lol |
| 23:12.02 | TS|Skrom | yep LOL |
| 23:12.02 | YammYgirlcoding | it's winter for me |
| 23:12.02 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 23:12.02 | Legorol | fortunately for us in Europe the situation is relatively straightforward |
| 23:12.03 | Legorol | we change clocks at roughly the same time as the US |
| 23:12.04 | Laric_ | Beladona ok if we go by the term you can select it and log in. |
| 23:12.04 | Legorol | so the time difference is always the same |
| 23:12.06 | YammYgirlcoding | =( |
| 23:12.06 | Beladona | then yeah, should mostly be up |
| 23:12.24 | Legorol | US west coast is alwyas 8 hours behind me, and east coast 5 |
| 23:12.28 | Beladona | not actually being able to play, might be another story |
| 23:12.38 | Legorol | the only problem occurs when the US and EU don't change to summer time at the same time |
| 23:12.38 | Laric_ | hehe |
| 23:12.38 | Legorol | there is sometimes about a week of discrepancy |
| 23:12.42 | Legorol | that can cause nice mayhem in terms of times and time zones :D |
| 23:12.48 | TS|Skrom | and a few places in US where they don't change for wahtever reason (southwest arizona for example) |
| 23:12.53 | Legorol | yeah |
| 23:12.54 | JoshBorke | indiana! |
| 23:12.56 | Legorol | which is why i don't like it when people keep using PST/CST/EST even in the summer |
| 23:12.56 | Legorol | and a *lot* of people do that |
| 23:12.58 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 23:13.15 | Legorol | because there actually are places in the US which *stay* on CST, and don't switch to CDT |
| 23:13.23 | Beladona | may as well use PT/CT/ET |
| 23:13.25 | Legorol | Beladona: no, because there genuinely are places that don't switch to summer time |
| 23:13.27 | TS|Skrom | MT! Don't forget them weirdo's! |
| 23:13.31 | Legorol | so the distinction between CDT and CST actually matters |
| 23:13.35 | Beladona | oh I know the distinction |
| 23:13.37 | YammYgirlcoding | guys |
| 23:13.45 | Legorol | i'm sure you do, i'm just saying why you can't just stick to PT/CT/ET |
| 23:13.45 | Beladona | I am talking about people who don't get it |
| 23:14.09 | YammYgirlcoding | what is that thing of global world pvp ? I didn't get it |
| 23:30.24 | Legorol | i think promoting the use of ambiguous time zone symbols is a bad idea |
| 23:30.24 | Beladona | they made two places on teh world that you can go and do pvp, without going into an instanced battleground |
| 23:30.25 | Beladona | with objectives and everything |
| 23:30.25 | Legorol | in Silithus and in EPL |
| 23:30.25 | Beladona | which personally I think is a load of hooey, and they shoulda just left it out |
| 23:30.26 | Legorol | there are things to do which flag you for PvP |
| 23:30.32 | YammYgirlcoding | open air places? where people do quests? oh no!!! that will be impossible to quest there with this! |
| 23:30.34 | Legorol | if you are on a PvE realm |
| 23:30.35 | Kirkburn | I can delete Sky now, no? |
| 23:30.37 | Legorol | YammYgirlcoding: on a non-PvP realm you can still quest fine |
| 23:30.40 | Beladona | nah, its pretty smark |
| 23:30.42 | Beladona | smart |
| 23:30.44 | Legorol | they didn't make the entire zone PvP |
| 23:30.44 | Kirkburn | I prefer smark :P |
| 23:30.46 | YammYgirlcoding | its a pvp server. that's the problem |
| 23:30.49 | Legorol | you can still go about your business, |
| 23:30.49 | zenzelezz | two hours and still only two/six data centers online :-| |
| 23:30.57 | Beladona | if you do something that involves pvp, you get flagged |
| 23:30.58 | Legorol | well if it's a PvP server, than you had chance to get ganked anyway ;-) |
| 23:31.05 | Beladona | as it has always been |
| 23:31.06 | Legorol | LHC is a place for constant ganking on most PvP realms anyway |
| 23:31.09 | YammYgirlcoding | ya but with a crowd of pvp people there, we can't do quests anymore ! |
| 23:31.12 | Legorol | you are on a PvP server.. |
| 23:31.13 | Legorol | what do you mean by crowd of PvP people |
| 23:31.14 | Beladona | I wonder what the new ranking system will be like post expansion |
| 23:31.14 | Legorol | everyone on the realm is a PvP person |
| 23:31.17 | Beladona | are there any writeups on it yet? |
| 23:31.23 | Legorol | there are some info |
| 23:31.24 | Beladona | i.e. talking about the non-competitive ladder ranking system |
| 23:31.26 | Legorol | the honor system will be changed to be more like XP |
| 23:31.26 | Beladona | aye |
| 23:31.29 | Legorol | you accumulate it over time, no decay, and you have your own progression |
| 23:31.34 | Beladona | well, sort of |
| 23:31.36 | YammYgirlcoding | more than normal. One thing is to be ganked here and there. Other thing is to have 100 enemies waiting for any passing dude to gank it. |
| 23:31.37 | Beladona | more like money, but with points |
| 23:31.45 | Beladona | you can spend it |
| 23:31.47 | Legorol | that's the Arena system |
| 23:31.51 | Legorol | that's separate |
| 23:31.51 | Legorol | they will have two separate systems |
| 23:31.53 | Beladona | no, I heard pvp will be the same |
| 23:31.56 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 23:31.58 | Beladona | you spend honor points to get items |
| 23:32.05 | Legorol | that could be true |
| 23:32.13 | Beladona | and ranks too I think |
| 23:32.18 | Legorol | i haven't heard that, but possible |
| 23:32.22 | Legorol | what i wonder however is |
| 23:32.25 | Legorol | with a non-competitive system, how will they stop everyone from reaching Grand Marshal? |
| 23:32.36 | Beladona | don't think they can |
| 23:32.36 | YammYgirlcoding | what? the honor will be like xp with no decay!? ah that's great! |
| 23:32.37 | Legorol | or are they happy with everyone eventually reaching Grand Marshal? |
| 23:32.39 | Beladona | why stop people? |
| 23:32.42 | Legorol | i think there will have to be more to it |
| 23:32.43 | Beladona | it seems only fair to allow everyone to reach it, given enough effort to get there |
| 23:32.43 | YammYgirlcoding | hmmm At the end, everyone at the server will be a grand marshal. |
| 23:32.45 | Legorol | then where is the ladder part :) |
| 23:32.47 | Beladona | thats the point |
| 23:32.48 | Maldivia | its not like they are stopping all the raiders from getting the best gear, by saying only one guild can kill cthun a week or so |
| 23:32.49 | Beladona | there isn't one |
| 23:32.52 | Legorol | <Beladona> i.e. talking about the non-competitive ladder ranking system |
| 23:39.37 | Beladona | sorry, guess I mis-worded it |
| 23:39.45 | Beladona | they said there would not be competing for ranks via ladder |
| 23:39.46 | Legorol | although i don't agree with the current system because of its grindiness, |
| 23:39.47 | Legorol | i do think that some competition would've been nice |
| 23:39.48 | Maldivia | the competition is moved to the battle arenas |
| 23:39.49 | Legorol | from what i read, the Arena system sounds like it will be mroe competitive |
| 23:39.49 | Beladona | well bear in mind, there can still be a ladder, without making it tie into who gets what rank |
| 23:39.50 | Beladona | it would just be a prestige thing |
| 23:39.50 | Legorol | if it's just a prestige thing, min-maxers will avoid it like a plague |
| 23:39.53 | YammYgirlcoding | I think that people who doesn't have time to play 24x7 should receive rested honor to compensate, as they do with xp. |
| 23:39.54 | Beladona | no I don't agree with that |
| 23:39.55 | Kirov | The problem with the current honor system is the person who gets to grand marshal is the person who can keep their character online and inside a battleground longest. |
| 23:39.56 | YammYgirlcoding | that would be more fair to people that 'works' |
| 23:39.56 | Kirov | It has nothing to do with skill. |
| 23:39.56 | Legorol | YammYgirlcoding: rested honor won't help you |
| 23:39.57 | Beladona | in my opinion honor is strictly what you do to earn it |
| 23:40.00 | Legorol | udner the curernt system at least |
| 23:40.00 | Legorol | i agree with Beladona on this one |
| 23:40.01 | Legorol | but i would like to see a competitive system in the game too |
| 23:40.02 | Legorol | like the ladder system on Battle.Net |
| 23:40.02 | Beladona | well |
| 23:40.03 | Legorol | i hope the Arena will be that one |
| 23:40.03 | Beladona | look at Guild Wars |
| 23:40.11 | Legorol | haven't played :) |
| 23:40.11 | Beladona | there is tons of competition |
| 23:40.12 | Beladona | but you don't get ranks or rewards for it really |
| 23:40.14 | Legorol | just like battle.net |
| 23:40.14 | Beladona | it is all presige based |
| 23:40.16 | Legorol | i mean |
| 23:40.17 | Legorol | you do get ranks |
| 23:40.19 | Beladona | prestige* |
| 23:40.19 | Legorol | and it's a prestige only thing :) |
| 23:40.20 | YammYgirlcoding | I know a last ranked dude that had this plan 'play 24 hours a day for 3 months'. shared his account with 2 friends, each one played 8 hours a day, and at the end of 3 months, voi la, it had the last rank. |
| 23:40.24 | Beladona | the current system requires you to spend innordinate amounts of time in BG to maintain a high rank |
| 23:40.25 | Beladona | I think thats what they are trying to fix |
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| 23:40.28 | Laric_ | I thought game=fun & game != work |
| 23:40.29 | Beladona | our server has guilds totally dedicated to BG only, no raiding |
| 23:40.31 | Kirov | On my server most of the top PvPers have agreed to a honor cap at which to stop at each week with each person getting a chance to be #1. |
| 23:40.32 | Beladona | n fact, my guild gets people all the time, who are tired of being in a BG guild, and want an MC raiding guild |
| 23:40.32 | Kirov | Only problem is one guy isn't adhearing to the cap and has stayed at GM for a month now because he never stops playing. |
| 23:40.33 | Shadowed | Beladona: that's typically how it goes |
| 23:40.33 | Shadowed | they pvp until they reach rank, get burnt out and start raiding |
| 23:40.34 | Beladona | yup |
| 23:40.35 | Beladona | then their rank drops, they go back to BG, and the cycle continues |
| 23:40.35 | Kirov | Well, more often they get burnt out and quit wow |
| 23:40.35 | BLG | How do you get an items durability? |
| 23:40.35 | zenzelezz | my server just popped up on the character list! |
| 23:40.36 | zenzelezz | er, realm list! |
| 23:40.36 | Maldivia | BLG: scanning the inventory tooltip |
| 23:40.36 | Shadowed | not really |
| 23:40.36 | zenzelezz | interestingly it was the only server to pop up, no others o_O |
| 23:40.36 | Shadowed | usually after they lose rank they pvp a bit while raiding |
| 23:40.37 | Beladona | I try not to invite pvp junkies though |
| 23:40.39 | Beladona | we lost someone in our raid the other night, so while we waited for a replacement, some guy went and did BG |
| 23:40.39 | Beladona | when the replacement got there, he wanted a summon |
| 23:40.39 | Beladona | (the BG junkie) |
| 23:40.40 | Beladona | he was then booted =P |
| 23:40.40 | Beladona | heh |
| 23:50.43 | Shadowed | that's why you make a rule that you can't pvp while on the WL |
| 23:50.43 | Beladona | he didn't ask |
| 23:50.43 | Beladona | and I do have that rule |
| 23:50.49 | Legorol | woootie, my realm came up! |
| 23:50.54 | Shadowed | time to gkick |
| 23:50.59 | Beladona | I was pretty mad too |
| 23:51.06 | Kirov | Beladona - We had one person who dropped out of an MC run at Sulfuron because his AV was up. |
| 23:51.17 | Kirov | mid-fight |
| 23:51.17 | Shadowed | lol |
| 23:51.20 | Beladona | called him a lump-ass who can't stay out of BG for 5 minutes |
| 23:51.54 | Beladona | yeah see, thats exactly what I mean Kirov |
| 23:52.17 | Beladona | those people don't deserve to evne be there |
| 23:52.20 | Kirov | Yeah, he wasn't ever invited back. |
| 23:52.24 | Beladona | I mean fine, go pvp it up |
| 23:52.27 | Beladona | I like BG too |
| 23:52.31 | Beladona | but not while people depend on you |
| 23:52.31 | Kirov | My old guild was always hard up for warlocks, but when he dropped out MID FIGHT we kinda said fuck it. |
| 23:52.39 | Beladona | very few things burn me up, but thats one of them |
| 23:52.57 | Kirov | BLG - What are you using the item's durability info for? |
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| 23:53.19 | Beladona | its too bad you can't scan durability per slot |
| 23:53.40 | zenzelezz_ | figures... my server finally comes back online, and the first thing that happens is my connection goes down |
| 23:53.57 | Kirov | When is wdn going to be updated with 1.12? |
| 23:53.57 | Kirkburn | Amazing, I'm back under 100 addons in my addons folder |
| 23:54.07 | Kirkburn | Kirov the release is the same as the last PTR |
| 23:54.11 | Kirkburn | 5595 |
| 23:54.15 | Kirov | ah |
| 23:54.19 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 23:54.25 | Maldivia | ofcourse, Paris 1 is the last data center to get online... grr |
| 23:54.41 | Laric_ | frankfurt one isnt really up either.. char list isnt coming.. |
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| 23:55.45 | Kirov | BLG - http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetInventoryAlertStatus - if you don't need to know the exact durability of an item, this might be useful |
| 23:55.47 | zenzelezz_ | okay, what on earth is going on? Logging in to the game makes my internet connection drop somehow |
| 23:56.04 | Kirov | zenzelezz - genius! Blizzard has effectively solved all of their server problems! |
| 23:56.07 | Kirkburn1 | Aerie Peak is just so full :( |
| 23:56.07 | Maldivia | Kirov: speaking of which, you have any idea what makes the associated event fire? |
| 23:56.10 | Kirov | If people can't connect, they can't bitch that the server is down! |
