| 00:00.22 | AnduinLothar | yeah |
| 00:00.32 | AnduinLothar | I'm thinkign that's be great for pally |
| 00:00.36 | Corrodias | the only problem is that i can't get anyone to do the quest with me, which seems to be pretty common lately |
| 00:00.36 | AnduinLothar | cause i can swap in combat |
| 00:00.44 | AnduinLothar | and bubble the whole time |
| 00:00.58 | Corrodias | back in january, you could find quest partners pretty easily, but i'm having a hell of a time getting anyone to do anything but SM and RFK |
| 00:01.38 | cladhaire | yeah, it was horrible finding groups |
| 00:02.26 | Corrodias | i advertised my desire to group for some STV quests for a week with no answers. i finally got one of my guild's 60's to help me with it. |
| 00:03.53 | AnduinLothar | hmm both chains start int he badlands |
| 00:03.55 | Corrodias | i find that the LFG channel is fantastic, if you use a mod like Call To Arms to parse it for lfg info |
| 00:04.00 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 00:04.03 | cladhaire | CTA is sweet for that |
| 00:04.04 | AnduinLothar | that's what i do |
| 00:04.09 | Corrodias | and then you get to chat away on it :D |
| 00:04.22 | Tain | LFG channel depends on the server, still. |
| 00:04.26 | AnduinLothar | i dissabled the channel joining in cta and have it jsut use lfg |
| 00:04.33 | Tain | It's useless on my server. |
| 00:05.04 | Corrodias | we get people talking and looking for groups, which is great, but i suspect that a lot of people ignore the channel, which could explain my difficulty in finding a party |
| 00:05.12 | Corrodias | i think i'm the only person in my realm who uses CTA |
| 00:05.41 | Corrodias | i've tried to convince people to use it, but so far i haven't seen any other CTA groups |
| 00:06.12 | zenzelezz | LFG on my server goes up and down... some hours of silence, some hours of "STFU this is LFG!!!!!!!!!!!!", some hours of real LFG |
| 00:06.49 | zenzelezz | and the occasional "LF19M raid hogger lololol" |
| 00:09.35 | Corrodias | some of us had this great conversation -- that is, flame battle -- with a guy who was really upset about our misuse of LFG |
| 00:09.58 | Corrodias | he claimed to be 31, but i estimated he was closer to 8 by the way he typed. |
| 00:10.49 | cladhaire | when i'm in a dota and peopel get all "noobtacular".. i just say over and over again "I'm 13" |
| 00:10.50 | Corrodias | i have to go hunt a cricket in the basement... |
| 00:11.54 | zenzelezz | the animal? |
| 00:12.07 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:12.19 | Cairenn | "cricket bat" |
| 00:12.33 | Tain | Oh I thought you said you were gonna play DOTT. |
| 00:12.51 | Cairenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket |
| 00:13.00 | cladhaire | Tain: I am |
| 00:13.09 | cladhaire | well dota |
| 00:13.13 | cladhaire | whats dott? |
| 00:13.22 | Tain | the greatest adventure game ever made. |
| 00:13.28 | Tain | Day of the Tenticle |
| 00:13.35 | cladhaire | haha |
| 00:14.12 | kergoth | yay dott |
| 00:20.37 | Corrodias | amusing! |
| 00:21.02 | Corrodias | but the cricket stopped making noise as i approached his area, even though i swear he shouldn't have been able to feel me through the concrete floor |
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| 00:22.52 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 00:24.26 | JoshBorke | hello :-) |
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| 00:24.31 | cladhaire | zomg Hello! |
| 00:27.02 | JoshBorke | shorts naps are no fun |
| 00:27.13 | JoshBorke | it's like as soon as you're asleep you are right back awake |
| 00:27.57 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 00:28.13 | Corrodias | i wonder if there's a mod that can give me a list of party members who have curses and diseases on them to be removed. is that something decursive does or did, and does it still function? |
| 00:28.23 | Corrodias | and poisons |
| 00:29.51 | cladhaire | corkfu can tell you who has a debuff |
| 00:29.56 | AnduinLothar | you can set your party frames to just show what you can dispell |
| 00:29.57 | cladhaire | decursive will actually cure them |
| 00:30.03 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: true |
| 00:30.19 | Corrodias | ah, yes.. |
| 00:30.56 | Corrodias | i'd have to spend a moment determining what sort of debuff it is, but that's not a bad point. |
| 00:31.21 | AnduinLothar | use clique to auto pick the right one |
| 00:31.40 | AnduinLothar | or paly a pally, it's only 1 button |
| 00:32.04 | Corrodias | thanks, i'll read up on these addons after Whose Line Is It Anyway?. |
| 00:32.32 | cladhaire | just show when they're debuffed.. and clique:cureany() =) |
| 00:32.32 | JoshBorke | mmm, paladin ftw :-D |
| 00:33.08 | AnduinLothar | or use CastOptions and it'll autotarget party members |
| 00:33.36 | cladhaire | hehe |
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| 00:34.49 | AnduinLothar | a million ways to do the same thing |
| 00:35.04 | JoshBorke | yea! like trying all your spells until they work! |
| 00:35.28 | InterSlayer | Hey is it normal for chat_msg_channel to fire off 7 times on an incoming channel message? :P |
| 00:35.44 | cladhaire | InterSlayer: you sure you're getting CHAT_MSg not AddMessage? =) |
| 00:36.23 | InterSlayer | mmm |
| 00:36.30 | cladhaire | cause imo it doesn't fire more than once per message.. but the addmessage would if you've hooked it |
| 00:36.34 | cladhaire | which would make it appears 7 times |
| 00:36.49 | InterSlayer | i dunno i got the code from wikki, i'll look it over again with taht in mind =p thanks |
| 00:37.26 | AnduinLothar | once per chat frame |
| 00:38.24 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: It does fire seven times? |
| 00:38.45 | Corrodias | ah, there are a million ways to do the same things, but they're not all as good as each other |
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| 00:39.28 | Corrodias | i really liked asmomod's swiftmend-assisting HoT meters, but they only watched druid HoT's (not priest, as far as i'm aware) and didn't always catch the casting for some reason |
| 00:39.42 | cladhaire | Corrodias: I really need good spell timers |
| 00:39.45 | Corrodias | HoT Watcher used text timers rather than bars, which i didn't really like |
| 00:39.45 | cladhaire | for my hots, and swiftmend |
| 00:39.54 | Corrodias | i ended up using... what's it called... |
| 00:40.19 | Corrodias | hotdot or something, which lets you monitor many different -over time things |
| 00:41.05 | Corrodias | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4550-1-hot-dot-tracker.html |
| 00:41.10 | AnduinLothar | no clad, only fires once per frame |
| 00:41.33 | zenzelezz | hm, might be time for sleep... I thought you called the mod "hotdog" |
| 00:41.34 | AnduinLothar | but if you're on a ChatFrame_OnEvent hook it's used on each frame |
| 00:41.42 | Corrodias | i don't know that clicking the bars lets you target the person, but the addon does seem to work properly. |
| 00:41.46 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: That's what i thought =) |
| 00:42.17 | InterSlayer | I only have 1 chat frame and a combat log up, wheres the other frames? :P |
| 00:42.34 | zenzelezz | hidden |
| 00:42.42 | Corrodias | cladhaire: is that what you meant by spell timers? |
| 00:43.31 | Corrodias | unfortunately, the comments suggest that it can't tell the difference between your casts and other people's casts, but HoT's of the same type won't stack anyway afaik |
| 00:43.51 | cladhaire | Corrodias: Yeah |
| 00:43.59 | cladhaire | i'm kinda specific tho :P |
| 00:47.11 | Corrodias | so, what is it you desire? i can't say i've seen anything better than that addon, yet |
| 00:47.22 | cladhaire | thats really all i want |
| 00:50.05 | JoshBorke | wow, my OnUpdate takes 70 ms :-( |
| 00:52.59 | cladhaire | =/ |
| 00:54.56 | JoshBorke | i guess moving 150*3 textures will do that though |
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| 00:55.14 | JoshBorke | once i stop doing that it's still dropping :-D |
| 00:56.00 | JoshBorke | i wonder if GetPoint is more expensive than SetPoint... |
| 00:56.52 | JoshBorke | Corrodias: it's such a wonderful thing |
| 00:57.21 | Corrodias | i'm... not sure i have enough mouse buttons, but if i do, i might easily forget what's what |
| 00:57.43 | Corrodias | i commonly have 8 spells to cast on party members, not counting buffs |
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| 00:58.16 | JoshBorke | Corrodias: yes, but through in modifiers like alt and shift and you soon get quite a few options |
| 01:01.12 | Corrodias | i can imagine a total of twelve, yes... but doesn't it get hard to remember all those similar key combinations for different spells? >_> |
| 01:02.03 | zenzelezz | no problem, just say you were lagged |
| 01:02.33 | JoshBorke | it can be hard at first, but it gets much easier to remember |
| 01:05.15 | cladhaire | rebooting.. brb |
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| 01:06.01 | JoshBorke | AceEvent20Frame is taking 65ms |
| 01:08.12 | Corrodias | that's a bad thing, isn't it? |
| 01:09.19 | Corrodias | why is this listed as a feature, i wonder? "casting while in combat (attacking with primary weapon) without abort". whenever -i- cast a spell, it just stops attacking until the spell is finished casting and then continues. |
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| 01:10.23 | JoshBorke | doesn't wow do that automagically? |
| 01:10.52 | Corrodias | yeah, seems kind of a strange thing to list as a feature of someone's addon. :) |
| 01:16.41 | Corrodias | soooo |
| 01:16.59 | Corrodias | it seems to me that to use some of these addons i'm going to have to browse an SVN depository. |
| 01:17.43 | AnduinLothar | mmm, not sure if it does for wanding |
| 01:17.46 | Corrodias | and if i don't get a client or manually download each file every day, i'll be left behind in updates because the authors don't necessarily mention new releases on websites... |
| 01:17.52 | Corrodias | what is wanding? |
| 01:18.04 | Tem | oh |
| 01:18.04 | JoshBorke | AnduinLothar: not for wanding, no |
| 01:18.05 | Tem | my |
| 01:18.06 | Tem | god |
| 01:18.10 | Tem | it's back |
| 01:18.12 | Tem | http://www.nextlevelarcade.com/games/World-of-Warcraft-raid-leader-goes-totally-apeshit |
| 01:18.15 | Tem | ~moredots |
| 01:18.17 | purl | Run to the centre! |
| 01:18.29 | Tem | the animation makes it worth it |
| 01:19.42 | Corrodias | it appears that corkfu doesn't seem to have a page on wowinterface and can only be learned of by hearsay and downloaded by svn. am i mistaken? |
| 01:20.16 | AnduinLothar | lol tem |
| 01:20.41 | JoshBorke | Corrodias: you are correct, only on SVN i believe. |
| 01:22.01 | Corrodias | there's something i don't like about a system like this, and i'm not sure what it is. it may be that it makes me do more work to get it. |
| 01:22.06 | AnduinLothar | lol @ tail swipe |
| 01:22.24 | Tem | 1 over infinity is the best part |
| 01:26.31 | Corrodias | and i have to get another program if i don't want to get a headache every time i need to update something... |
| 01:27.40 | Corrodias | by the way, what ever happened to CVS? |
| 01:28.17 | Thrae | SVN all the way. |
| 01:28.47 | JoshBorke | it's all about the IBC rootbeer |
| 01:29.37 | Corrodias | this page i read says that CVS doesn't support directories. christ, no wonder they threw it out in favor of a new system. |
| 01:37.09 | MentalPower | what are externals in SVN? |
| 01:37.56 | AnduinLothar | svn:Externals are like folder synlinks |
| 01:38.06 | AnduinLothar | except they requery the server |
| 01:38.17 | AnduinLothar | so you can access multiple servers from one |
| 01:38.49 | JoshBorke | RARGH! something is eating all my stuff |
| 01:39.18 | Corrodias | something for the developers to concern themselves with |
| 01:39.35 | MentalPower | so if I have files that are all the same (in different folders) I can use externals to link them all, so if I edit one I edit them all? |
| 01:39.43 | Corrodias | and i say that because i have no idea what AL just said. |
| 01:39.57 | Thrae | Externals for WoW Addon projects are mostly for embedded libraries, makes it easier to grab the latest minor version. |
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| 01:59.34 | Corrodias | why do people make "princess runs"? |
| 02:00.09 | norganna | for lootz? |
| 02:01.27 | Corrodias | bah, i'm sure you're right. i have a hard time evaluating equipment from a non-druid perspective. |
| 02:06.05 | JoshBorke | don't you hate when things mysteriously bug out? |
| 02:06.21 | JoshBorke | Corrodias: princess has one of the best neck pieces pre-raiding |
| 02:06.22 | JoshBorke | stat wise |
| 02:07.44 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep, sweet dreams |
| 02:08.17 | JoshBorke | night clad|sleep |
| 02:08.26 | JoshBorke | hrmph, i hate when your mod has bugs and you can't find them |
| 02:10.05 | Tem | I hate it when your mod has bugs and you can't reproduce them |
| 02:10.08 | Tem | I hate that the most |
| 02:10.19 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 02:10.27 | JoshBorke | i have no idea how to reproduce the bug |
| 02:10.38 | JoshBorke | i have an idea of where it's coming from, but can't figure it out in the code |
| 02:13.58 | clad|sleep | night JoshBorke, Cairenn |
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| 02:33.52 | Corrodias | corkfu has gotten off with me on the wrong foot by throwing an error immediately upon loading >_> |
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| 02:34.17 | Corrodias | neck, neck, neck... Gemshard Heart Necklace; +10 stamina, +10 intellect, +6 spirit |
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| 02:56.05 | ckknight_ | Cairenn, you're quick ;-) |
| 02:56.13 | Cairenn | I try to be |
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| 03:06.41 | Hexarobi | anybody know why several addons overwrite the math.randomseed() function with a static value? is it just a bad programming mistake? or something special in lua i dont know about? |
| 03:09.45 | ckknight | which addons do that? |
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| 03:11.44 | Hexarobi | i forget i already fixed them and now i cant search and find em |
| 03:11.58 | Hexarobi | there were at least 2 of em |
| 03:12.00 | Hexarobi | if not 3 |
| 03:12.05 | Hexarobi | and ive had a bug report about it |
| 03:12.17 | Hexarobi | cuz when they overwrite the function, it causes an error when i call it |
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| 03:45.52 | pyfen | if I"m trying to write a small hook for GiveMasterLoot() would I be doing it right if I did this: local function GiveMasterLootTemp = getglobal("GiveMasterLoot"); function GiveMasterLoot(lootIndex, candidateIndex) myFrame_Show(); GiveMasterLootTemp(lootIndex, candidateIndex); end am I close? or way off? |
| 03:49.17 | ckknight | alright, cya all later, everyone |
| 03:49.38 | Cairenn | later ckknight |
| 03:54.48 | Cairenn | pyfen: I think everyone is kinda afk right now |
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| 03:59.14 | Kaelten | gnight guys |
| 04:00.41 | JoshBorke | WOOHOOO! NEF DOWN! |
| 04:01.37 | Cairenn | grats! |
| 04:01.57 | MentalPower | grats!! |
| 04:02.25 | JoshBorke | first time :_D |
| 04:05.26 | pyfen | Cairenn, yeah seems like it |
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| 04:50.27 | MentalPower|ZZzz | gnight folks |
| 04:50.32 | JoshBorke | night all |
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| 04:50.42 | norganna | nit mp |
| 04:50.51 | norganna | s/nit/nite/ |
| 04:51.03 | norganna | :D |
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| 04:57.17 | Flyoc | do you have "wait" or "sleep" in lua ? |
| 04:57.26 | Shadowed | nope |
| 04:57.34 | Flyoc | pause ? |
| 04:57.45 | Flyoc | how do you pause a script ? |
| 04:57.45 | Shadowed | nope |
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| 04:57.54 | Shadowed | OnUpdate timer |
| 04:58.05 | Flyoc | k |
| 05:00.07 | Cairenn | night Tem|Sleep |
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| 05:02.48 | Cairenn | hey Iriel :) |
| 05:05.29 | pyfen | WOOT I actually did the hook right :) |
| 05:05.44 | Cairenn | grats :) |
| 05:05.51 | Iriel | Evening |
| 05:06.07 | Iriel | Almost got my replacement windows machine set up again |
| 05:06.10 | Thrae | Now you just need to gut, fillet, and serve with a side of parsley. |
| 05:06.25 | pyfen | lo |
| 05:06.49 | Thrae | Iriel: Your replacement died, or your main died, then your replacement died? |
| 05:07.28 | Cairenn | good to hear |
| 05:07.44 | pyfen | I'm making a full out real time editing DKP guild system, manually edit dkp, auto-assign dkp during raids, loot database on what dropped when and who got it and for how much dkp, ect ect, |
| 05:07.49 | Iriel | Well, I had a drive failure about 2 weeks ago, after replacing the drive I discovered that the whole system was in fact flaky (largely the motherboard) |
| 05:07.57 | Iriel | So I replaced pretty much all of it |
| 05:08.08 | Cairenn | hence our missing him |
| 05:08.19 | pyfen | and now i just hooked GiveMasterLoot to ask how much DKP the item si worth and deduct that from the person your giving the item to before its given to him |
| 05:08.20 | pyfen | :) |
| 05:08.24 | Thrae | Iriel: Ouch. Busted caps? |
| 05:08.25 | Iriel | Wow is scarily smooth on the new system though |
| 05:08.46 | Iriel | Thrae : Some kind of hijinks in power management, there's charring on the power daughterboard |
| 05:08.49 | pyfen | Iriel, get rid of windows and it'll stay that way |
| 05:09.08 | Thrae | Wait wait, power daughtboard? What kind of system is this? |
| 05:09.11 | Iriel | Windows behaves itself for me mostly. |
| 05:09.15 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 05:09.17 | Iriel | Thrae : Some funky Gigabyte motherboard |
| 05:09.37 | Iriel | Thrae : It's been replaced with an Asus since it;s my 3rd consecutive gigabyte mobo failure |
| 05:09.40 | Thrae | OK, well, the name "Gigabyte" isn't exactly the Ritz of motherboards. |
| 05:10.03 | Thrae | Yeah, I've replaced MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY gigabyte boards in my day. Almost as many as ECS. |
| 05:10.19 | Iriel | indeed, but they WERE well reviewed before I bought them, but I guess they're just good for a couple of months and its downhill from there |
| 05:10.21 | Thrae | They are right above ECS in my opinion. |
| 05:10.33 | Iriel | I was disturbed to read that gigabyte and asus have merged |
| 05:10.45 | Iriel | I only hope it improves giga, rather than worsening asus |
| 05:11.00 | Shadowed | when did they merge? |
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| 05:11.05 | pyfen | that could be good....that would mean Asus bought out gigabit.....maybe better management will produce better products |
| 05:11.05 | Thrae | Well, ASUS needs a good place to make low-end boards, they've always made medium-to-high-end boards. Just like how HP ate up Compaq. |
| 05:11.21 | pyfen | I love how HP ate up compaq |
| 05:11.28 | Thrae | Of course, low-end boards shouldn't be crap, but Gigabyte is NOT built for gaming. |
| 05:11.43 | pyfen | I've got hp quality lappy here, with HP quality customer support, but for the price of a compaq |
| 05:12.00 | pyfen | neither is compaq but my laptop here runs wow great |
| 05:12.07 | Iriel | Last week or so as far as I can tell |
| 05:12.23 | Thrae | I like Dell for gaming laptops and IBM for business laptops. Of course IBM is a huge-ass PAIN to fix. |
| 05:12.28 | Iriel | It's officially a 'joint venture' but many folks feel it's a merger |
| 05:12.32 | Iriel | I love my thinkpads |
| 05:13.02 | Iriel | Anyway, 60fps in wow is, for me, a new experience |
| 05:13.09 | Iriel | it feels wrong |
| 05:13.37 | Thrae | One thing I do hate about Dell laptops is that they got rid of their mid-range gaming laptops. It's XPS or nothin'. They probably just realized the small percentage who are frugal enough to buy, say, the 600m and KNOW what they are buying pale in comparison to those that buy it by accident and then later learn what they got. |
| 05:13.55 | Thrae | So they eliminated the 600m. |
| 05:14.24 | Iriel | I know a couple of folks with 600m's - they seemed quite popular for a bit |
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| 05:14.59 | Thrae | Pentium-M processor with 32-64MB on-board video memory (not shared) for ~$1200. Rockin'. |
| 05:15.35 | Thrae | Wait, make that ~$1000 back before it was discontinued. I got mine 4 years ago so it was $1200, mid-range price back then. |
| 05:16.06 | Thrae | I also noticed Dell stopped allowing you to get like 256MB of RAM. That sucks, they overcharge on their RAM by 300%. |
| 05:16.09 | pyfen | you guys here bout lithium-ion batteries being deemed a safety hazard the past week? |
| 05:16.23 | pyfen | EUWWWWW dell can go to hell and back again as far as I'm concerned |
| 05:16.44 | pyfen | warranty void if you open the case, and they bolt the case on with stripped screws/bolts |
| 05:16.49 | Thrae | pyfen: Dell doesn't make their own batteries |
| 05:16.55 | pyfen | I dindt say dell did |
| 05:17.04 | pyfen | i noticed someone commenting on liking dells |
| 05:17.15 | Thrae | pyfen: Uhh, you have no idea what you're talking about |
| 05:17.31 | Thrae | "Bolts the cases on with stripped screws", what the hell? |
| 05:17.33 | pyfen | thrae: my previous comment was on the news, lithium ion batteries are catching on fire |
| 05:17.53 | pyfen | Thrae: friend of mine has a Dimention 5000c |
| 05:18.18 | pyfen | the screws on the back are round with no center in them, so they cant be unscrewed |
| 05:18.23 | Thrae | Yeah, a few select models that use that particular battery type. It happens every now and then with Dell's suppliers screwing them over, they're getting recalled and replaced like crazy. |
| 05:18.40 | pyfen | and his warranty says that it voids if the case is tampered wtih |
| 05:18.40 | Thrae | pyfen: Either he's not looking in the right place, or he's lying. |
| 05:19.10 | pyfen | I'm not talking about dells Thrae, the batteries were not just dell...HP, acer, many others, was on the news 2 nights ago |
| 05:19.20 | pyfen | Thrae: i read his warranty myself |
| 05:19.26 | Thrae | Right, -I- am just talking about Dell's reaction |
| 05:19.44 | pyfen | not ot mention your warranty voids if you install non-windows OS (thats directly on the ToS on their website) |
| 05:19.45 | Thrae | No, voiding the warrenty is a common practice. Even whiteboxers do it. |
| 05:20.06 | Thrae | Hardware warrenty doesn't void, just your software warrenty. |
| 05:20.44 | pyfen | I'm just saying, half of the price of dell computers are the 3+ year warranty, I dunno in my experience I have not liked dells, but everyone has their own experiences :) |
| 05:20.59 | pyfen | I more or less dont like the fact that they have a partnership with intel |
| 05:21.00 | pyfen | :) |
| 05:21.01 | pyfen | heh |
| 05:21.02 | Thrae | Well, I work for Dell. |
| 05:21.05 | pyfen | and I"m stubborn |
| 05:21.37 | pyfen | thats great, dell is a good job, I'm not putting down Dell in general, I'm putting down the experiences I've had wit htem inthe past |
| 05:21.48 | Thrae | Or, more specifically, I work for a third-party IT group that the largest OEM warrenty contract with Dell. |
| 05:21.57 | Thrae | I also work on other machines, like IBM, Sony, etc. |
| 05:22.04 | Thrae | Only doing hardware warrenty support. |
| 05:22.09 | pyfen | ah |
| 05:22.15 | Iriel | Thrae : Hm, you dont do Newegg's warranty service perchance do you? |
| 05:22.47 | Thrae | Iriel: You can buy warrenty direct from Newegg? |
| 05:22.54 | pyfen | Iriel, I'd imagine it wouldbe on their website :) unless you are talking about something more specific |
| 05:23.10 | Thrae | I mean, if you're talking about the 1-year manufacturer warrenty, then yes, I would handle that... |
| 05:23.16 | pyfen | I thought they only had shipping insurance / warranty or 30 day money back guarantee ors omething |
| 05:23.26 | Thrae | 1 year / 30-day / 15-days |
| 05:23.51 | pyfen | Thrae: do any apple warranties |
| 05:23.52 | pyfen | ? |
| 05:23.52 | Iriel | They use a 3rd party for extended service contracts on machines you buy form them |
| 05:23.57 | Iriel | from, even |
| 05:24.03 | Thrae | pyfen: The company does, but I'm not certified on Apple. |
| 05:24.05 | Iriel | I forget the name of the company that does it |
| 05:24.16 | Thrae | Iriel: I work for Qualxserv. |
| 05:24.24 | pyfen | Thrae, k nm then you prolly woudnt know what I was wondering then :) |
| 05:24.32 | Iriel | That doesn't ring a bell, but who knows if they just OEM the actual service |
| 05:24.41 | Iriel | I suspect they do since they cover TV's as well as laptops |
| 05:25.02 | Iriel | Hopefully my tablet wont fail and I wont have to find out |
| 05:25.08 | Thrae | Qualxserv covers TVs, printers, anything with the brand-name of their client and whom the client wants them to support. |
| 05:25.54 | Thrae | I do a lot of Sony TV updates. There was a small firmware problem with some Sony TVs where it would shut off and never turn back on after 6 months, people would need to do a power cycle. Sony sends us out free of charge to update the firmware. |
| 05:26.11 | pyfen | Thrae ahh correct me if I"m wrong then, somewhere like futureshop or bestbuy would work with a company like yours, instead of handling their warranties themselves? |
| 05:26.33 | pyfen | or instead of dealing with all the diff manufacturors, they would deal with just you |
| 05:26.45 | Thrae | pyfen: No, I do on-site support only. |
| 05:27.05 | Thrae | There are different levels of warrenties, the lowest ones are not on-site. |
| 05:27.31 | pyfen | ah ok |
| 05:27.49 | Thrae | What Best Buy, CompUSA, etc. do is that they poke at it, try to determine the general problem, then send it to the manufacturer's depot. If the computer is generic or whitebox, then they send it to their own depot. |
| 05:28.26 | Thrae | So you basically spend $40-$100 on something you could do over the phone yourself, without having to get talked into buying crap you don't need. |
| 05:29.10 | Thrae | With Dells, the very basic 1-year warrenty you get free of charge does include on-site support, for that year. |
| 05:29.44 | Iriel | Dell always seemed to have enlightened support contracts |
| 05:29.56 | Thrae | "Enlightened"? |
| 05:29.56 | Iriel | They've shipped me replacement parts overnight on more than one occasion |
| 05:30.18 | Iriel | no bullshit about fixing problems, they concentrate on making things work again |
| 05:30.22 | Thrae | Well, it depends on who you get. They do outsource a lot to India, but they've been shrinking that department recently. |
| 05:30.40 | Thrae | India support is -mostly- drones. |
| 05:30.56 | Iriel | I havent tried them in the last few years though, I started building my own desktops, and only use thinkpad laptops at present |
| 05:31.13 | AnduinLothar | thinkpads are good stuff |
| 05:31.14 | Thrae | Yeah, it was only in the last few years when they started outsourcing a LOT. |
| 05:31.28 | Thrae | Can't beat IBM support. They have 10000 rules for us technicians to follow. |
| 05:31.54 | AnduinLothar | IMB and Apple own the laptop market imo |
| 05:32.16 | AnduinLothar | desktops are a bit more spread out |
| 05:32.23 | Iriel | Their service manuals being freely downloadable makes servicing ones own for 'replacement' type activities pretty damn easy too |
| 05:32.25 | AnduinLothar | and vary from year to year |
| 05:32.31 | Iriel | though dell were always good at that too |
| 05:32.41 | Iriel | I'm not entirely thrilled with ibm's desktops |
| 05:32.44 | Thrae | Hmmm that's a good question AnduinLothar. I'm actually not sure of that. |
| 05:32.48 | Iriel | we use them at work and they're 'iffy' to say the best |
| 05:33.18 | Iriel | though some of the older workstations we have are years old and going strong |
| 05:33.22 | Thrae | Do business laptops really corner the market on laptop usage? If so, then yeah, IBM all the way for PC laptops. |
| 05:33.27 | Iriel | I suspect it may depend on whether the company 'buys cheap' or not. |
| 05:42.46 | Miravlix | Dell had to recall 4.5 million laptops, so I guess someone else is selling a few |
| 05:43.25 | Miravlix | But I've no idea what the laptop market volume is, so that could be 90% or 1% |
| 05:43.57 | Thrae | They'd overnight a replacement. |
| 05:44.17 | Thrae | Most of the true recall is from stores, which then need to restock the old fashioned way. |
| 05:44.33 | Miravlix | Hmm? |
| 05:44.48 | Thrae | Hmm indeed. |
| 05:44.51 | Miravlix | I'm just talking about the volume numbers, not the actual recall |
| 05:45.01 | Thrae | Ah, gotcha. |
| 05:45.11 | Thrae | Yeah, and the 4.5 million was JUST select models. |
| 05:45.29 | Thrae | Just certain Dimension laptop models. |
| 05:48.45 | Miravlix | The recall made me unplug my own laptop. :) |
| 05:48.58 | Miravlix | I have an aged IBM ThinkPad 765D that gets hot. |
| 05:53.26 | Iriel | They all get hot, the question is whether they explode 8-) |
| 06:02.37 | Miravlix | Explosions is cool. |
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| 06:03.26 | Iriel | I hate games with registry entries |
| 06:03.27 | Iriel | bah |
| 06:03.35 | Iriel | Especially those that dont ship on DVD |
| 06:06.43 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:06.52 | Iriel | "Please insert disk 5" |
| 06:06.56 | Cairenn | hey s|loup |
| 06:07.12 | s|loup | hm old DOS game? |
| 06:07.56 | s|loup | but DOS games didn't create registry entries |
| 06:08.32 | Iriel | Just re-installing recent windows games |
| 06:09.21 | Thrae | Iriel: Did you say you're building a replacement or a backup? |
| 06:09.57 | s|loup | hm maybe you can create a dvd with all datas of the disks so you need them no more |
| 06:10.03 | Thrae | I highly recommend buying a copy of Norton Ghost if you have $30 to spend. Excellent backup and recovery tool. |
| 06:10.23 | Cairenn | <3 Ghost |
| 06:10.48 | Thrae | Iriel: With your new harddrive, did you make sure to give ~15-30GB for Windows XP and the rest as a data partition? |
| 06:12.21 | Thrae | Harddrives nowadays are actually less expensive then a DVD. You can buy a removable IDE / SATA bay starting at $10, just pop 'em in, Ghost + Compress, and you're done |
| 06:12.52 | Thrae | Of course, it's only less expensive if you have over 100GB you want to backup, or want incremental backups. |
| 06:15.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | Thrae |
| 06:15.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | you seem to know a lot about drives |
| 06:15.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | is there a good tool for recovering MFTs? |
| 06:16.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | the MFT in my external drive got screwed while i was defragmenting and power flickered |
| 06:16.41 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Most of the best recovery tools for Windows are retail. |
| 06:17.08 | Thrae | If you can spend $30, I suggest you do. |
| 06:17.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | not too much of an issue, getdataback managed to get most of everything, if not everything |
| 06:17.24 | Kirov | It doesn't help that WinXP's degrag tool was originally written for FAT32 for Win95 |
| 06:17.29 | Kirov | and hasn't really been updated |
| 06:17.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'd like to be able to repair the MFT now that i have everything backed up |
| 06:17.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was using a third party defragmenter |
| 06:17.47 | Miravlix | The *problem* with those tools is that you need them once in your life and that makes them darn pricy |
| 06:17.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | in offline mode |
| 06:17.59 | Thrae | NTFS partitions don't really need much defragging, maybe every 6 months even with heavy use |
| 06:18.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was defragmenting the system area of the drive (for some reason i decided this was a good idea) |
| 06:18.12 | Miravlix | Mine needs daily defrag |
| 06:18.19 | Thrae | Miravlix: $30 is "darn pricey" for the recovery of invaluable data? |
| 06:18.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | the drive was 93% fragmented, thrae |
| 06:18.29 | Miravlix | It's a myth that NTFS doesn't need defrag. |
| 06:18.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, part of the reason is that a lot of XP systems defrag in the background by default |
| 06:19.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | for some reason that was disabled on my laptop |
| 06:19.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | and both of the drives were heavily fragmented |
| 06:19.13 | Thrae | I didn't say NTFS doesn't need defrag, it just doesn't need defrag nearly as much as FAT32, and errors that come about from no defrag (like partition corruption) are far less likely to occur. |
| 06:19.20 | Miravlix | Every wow Patch a few days of addon updates, etc. |
| 06:19.40 | Miravlix | It's the same as FAT32, it has nothing build in to prevent fragmentation |
| 06:19.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah most of the reason you defrag in xp is for performance, not errors |
| 06:20.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | er yeah |
| 06:20.06 | Thrae | Odd, I have my system run a defrag every month and that's enough for me. At the time, they're usually 1-5% fragmented. |
| 06:20.24 | Miravlix | Thats very odd |
| 06:20.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | yours might be defragging while the system's idle, thrae |
| 06:20.31 | Miravlix | You must have almost static data |
| 06:20.32 | Thrae | And this is also my DVD Burner system. |
| 06:20.43 | Thrae | And my main development machine, too. |
| 06:20.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | a lot of systems do by default |
| 06:20.58 | Miravlix | I forgot to get my defrag running after a windows wipe |
| 06:21.10 | Miravlix | In 15 days I had 50-90% fragmentation |
| 06:21.14 | Thrae | Well, I also do a lot of tweaks to it. |
| 06:21.32 | Thrae | You're all talking about the default defragger, right? |
| 06:22.12 | Thrae | Anyway, back to the original question |
| 06:22.20 | Miravlix | A freash system install is offcourse worse case for creating insane fragmentation |
| 06:22.28 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Take a look at the apps included with the Ultimate Boot CD for Windows |
| 06:22.32 | Miravlix | But even in normal use it's pretty bad in days |
| 06:22.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i found a program called testdisk that will repair the MFT, but so far that looks like it's gonna take a week or so of solid scanning till i can |
| 06:23.06 | Miravlix | I've split up my system in 3 partitions, so when I download something it's to one disk and it stores it on another, in an attempt to reduce fragmentation |
| 06:23.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got the data backed up, so if worse comes to worst, i can have almost all of it |
| 06:23.20 | Thrae | Yeah, you should have at least 2 partitions. |
| 06:23.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got one partition per drive and it hasn't been an issue |
| 06:23.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | in hindsight, my boot drive could have used 2 |
| 06:23.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | one for windows, one for storage |
| 06:24.22 | Thrae | Not if you have 30GB Raptor like me, heh |
| 06:24.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | but otherwise, not really necessary |
| 06:24.30 | Thrae | 1 drive for system, apps and paging, 1 drive for data is even better then lots of partitions. |
| 06:24.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | 80 gb partition, 200 gb partition, 320 gb partition |
| 06:25.06 | Thrae | 80GB is overkill for a system partition |
| 06:25.10 | Miravlix | partitions is bad for performance if you aren't real geeky and now how to deide things |
| 06:25.33 | Miravlix | It's a lot better with multiple disks than partitions |
| 06:25.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 06:25.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | my system partition is partially storage too |
| 06:25.45 | Miravlix | A lot easier to get things right atleast |
| 06:25.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was the drive that originally came with the system when i got it |
| 06:26.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | now i've gotten a 200 gb PATA and a 320 GB SATAII |
| 06:26.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | however, storing files on an external drive was a dumb decision |
| 06:27.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i was too poor to afford extra space and i had used my 280 prior |
| 06:27.06 | Thrae | I lied about fragmentation. It's a little over half-way through the month and I'm up to 18% fragmentation on my system drive. |
| 06:27.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | anything over 10% = a defrag for me |
| 06:27.29 | Thrae | That's what Windows thinks too ;) |
| 06:27.53 | Thrae | It's hard to set a good time for a defrag on the system drive, because the computer must restart. |
| 06:28.13 | Miravlix | I have a third party defragger that runs every time my screen blanker kicks in |
| 06:28.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i was about 5-6 days into a scan on the corrupted MFT drive and i come back to my laptop and it's bluescreeened |
| 06:28.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | restarting from scratch :/ |
| 06:28.34 | Thrae | Miravlix: You can do that on the system drive? |
| 06:29.06 | Miravlix | It doesn't work on the ntuser file and some other locked stuff |
| 06:29.06 | Thrae | Right |
| 06:29.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can set it up to command line defrag on the system drive as a scheduled task if you want |
| 06:29.22 | Thrae | So it's not a total defrag |
| 06:29.38 | Miravlix | It's pretty close though |
| 06:29.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm never doing an offline defrag again |
| 06:29.49 | Miravlix | and it keeps the MFT big enough so it doesn't fragment |
| 06:29.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | thats part of why my MFT got hosed |
| 06:30.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | power failure during an offline defrag = bad |
| 06:30.40 | Miravlix | If I expand the software I have, the program has a boot time defrag option to clean up directories |
| 06:31.19 | Thrae | I love FreeMeter |
| 06:31.35 | Miravlix | Just going to cost you in performance |
| 06:31.48 | Miravlix | Most of those just remove the IE cache |
| 06:32.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | my friend had "compress old files" enabled in disk cleanup |
| 06:32.17 | Thrae | FreeMeter doesn't delete, move, or compress files. It's just an analysis tool. |
| 06:32.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wanted to punch him in the teeth |
| 06:32.36 | Thrae | Hence the "Meter". And the "Free" comes from it's freeware. |
| 06:32.40 | Miravlix | How does it decide whats old? |
| 06:32.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | access date which is usually inaccurate |
| 06:33.03 | Thrae | I've been relying on its "Show Folder Usage" for a long time. |
| 06:33.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | another good program for that is treesize, thrae |
| 06:33.34 | Miravlix | I turned off atime on my Linux systems |
| 06:33.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | gives you graphs and hard numbers on all your folder sizes and stuff |
| 06:33.51 | Thrae | Yeah I know about treesize, but I like the systray meters FreeMeter gives. |
| 06:34.23 | Thrae | Memory, Disk Usage, Disk Access, CPU, Page File, Pages, etc. |
| 06:34.48 | Miravlix | I'm thinking of shelling out the big bucks to get a NFS Windows solution and move all data to a Linux NFS server |
| 06:35.12 | Miravlix | With Gigabit net connection |
| 06:35.30 | Thrae | WoW takes up 8GB. Ouch. |
| 06:35.41 | Miravlix | The disk access might just be faster than what Windows can do natively |
| 06:36.45 | Thrae | Miravlix: Not really, afaik |
| 06:36.55 | Thrae | Anyway, Windows NFS support sucks. Maybe AFS. |
| 06:37.16 | Miravlix | NFS is double the speed of SMB on 100 network |
| 06:37.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Thrae> WoW takes up 8GB. Ouch. |
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| 06:38.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | my Steam folder takes up 20 GB or so |
| 06:38.14 | Miravlix | You have WoW and WoW Beta? |
| 06:38.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i uninstalled about half the games i own that i no longer play |
| 06:38.36 | Thrae | I have WoW and WoW Test right now, Test takes up 2GB |
| 06:38.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | fyi your screenshots folder is probably huge like mine if you have been playing for over a year |
| 06:38.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | convert those over with convertshots.exe |
| 06:38.55 | Miravlix | Yeah, there WoW beta implementation is great |
| 06:39.10 | Thrae | 300MB |
| 06:39.10 | Miravlix | it gets half+ of it's data from the live client |
| 06:39.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | my screenshots folder was almost 3 gb last time i checked |
| 06:39.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was like ...whoa lets fix that |
| 06:39.39 | Thrae | I use my Linux box to convert screenshots |
| 06:39.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just click convertshots.exe and hit start |
| 06:40.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | done in about 30 seconds or so |
| 06:40.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | same quality to me, and a lot smaller |
| 06:41.05 | Miravlix | Picas hmm, or whatever that Google program is called has converted me. It takes care of all pics |
| 06:41.19 | Kirov | Picasa |
| 06:42.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just use windows picture and fax viewer to view pics |
| 06:42.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | and photoshop to edit them |
| 06:43.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | PaFV is nice cause it works with my mouse's back and forward buttons |
| 06:43.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i haven't used picasa since beta |
| 06:43.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | but for some reason i really hated it in beta |
| 06:44.14 | Miravlix | I just burned a picture CD, it even puts a copy of itself that autostarts when you insert the CD |
| 06:44.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i am a banana |
| 06:45.18 | Miravlix | But I just take digital pictures with my cam and have little reason to do any advanced editing |
| 06:45.38 | Miravlix | Just need to adjust some color/brightness and perhaps cut the view. |
| 06:46.00 | Miravlix | And not to forget adjust the size from the cams 1600xsomething to something reasinable |
| 06:47.20 | Miravlix | For anything beyond that, it gets thrown at Gimp |
| 06:47.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | my cam takes excessively large pics too |
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| 06:47.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | like 2148xsomething |
| 06:49.16 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.16 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.35 | Iriel | I have a 2GB card in my camera, for obvious reasons |
| 06:49.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got like a 128 i think |
| 06:49.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's about 130 pics |
| 06:50.31 | Iriel | I get about 800 JPEGs, far less if it's TIFF or RAW |
| 06:50.34 | Iriel | (well, NEF, not RAW) |
| 06:50.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | be nice if they made cameras with female usb ports |
| 06:50.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | so you could save to flash drives and stuff |
| 06:51.02 | Iriel | They'd need host controllers too |
| 06:51.06 | Miravlix | Bluetooth cam. |
| 06:51.09 | Iriel | Extra $$, most people are too cheap |
| 06:51.37 | Miravlix | I'm tired of wires. NO MORE CABLES! |
| 06:51.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | in the long run i bet it'd be cheaper than proprietary cards |
| 06:52.05 | Iriel | I just remove the memory card, plug it into the USB adapter it came with, suck everything off, and put the card back |
| 06:52.14 | Iriel | no use using my camera as a slow $5000 CF card reader |
| 06:52.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 06:52.22 | Kirov | Registering the same event on a frame multiple times doesn't do anything, right? |
| 06:52.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just pop the card into my printer's card reader |
| 06:52.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | and save it that way |
| 06:52.41 | Miravlix | Kirov: Thats safe to do. |
| 07:05.59 | Cairenn | night Iriel, sweet dreams |
| 07:08.06 | Iriel | Thanks, same to you (if you ever sleep anymore) |
| 07:08.16 | Cairenn | going shortly |
| 07:08.26 | krka | going to sleep? but i just woke up! |
| 07:08.38 | Cairenn | pain too bad to sleep easily |
| 07:10.02 | Iriel | quit |
| 07:10.08 | Cairenn | fail |
| 07:10.10 | Iriel | bah, where's my / |
| 07:10.14 | Cairenn | *grin* |
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| 07:15.22 | Kirov | If I have a local table and I assign it to a global, does it copy the table or still reference it? |
| 07:20.45 | s|loup | hm i would say reference |
| 07:21.08 | krka | reference |
| 07:21.21 | krka | actually, tables are not local or global |
| 07:21.25 | krka | variables are local and global |
| 07:21.29 | Kirov | k |
| 07:21.42 | krka | variables just point to tables |
| 07:21.49 | krka | (or references) |
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| 07:31.32 | Axel-F | Hello? |
| 07:31.42 | Kirov | hello |
| 07:32.10 | Axel-F | :D |
| 07:32.52 | Cairenn | hi |
| 07:32.52 | Axel-F | Does enyone in here know how to make addons profetionaly? |
| 07:33.46 | Axel-F | I think this is a rong chanel right? |
| 07:33.46 | Kirov | Cairenn - since you're not asleep, I'll leave you to this one. |
| 07:34.21 | Kirov | This is a channel for making Addons for World of Warcraft. |
| 07:34.28 | Kirov | Is that what you're looking for? |
| 07:34.40 | Axel-F | yup:) |
| 07:35.44 | Miravlix | This room pretty much contain all the combined AddOn development knowglede that the community has. |
| 07:36.15 | Miravlix | Now I can't guarentee we want to share it or has time to share it though. :) |
| 07:36.44 | Thrae | Nah, #wowace is good for advanced development knowledge, unless Iriel is awake. |
| 07:37.24 | Axel-F | Im a reel noob in add-on making, can enyone give me some pointers? |
| 07:37.40 | Cairenn | Axel-F: start here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=425556&p=1&tmp=1#post425556 |
| 07:37.45 | Miravlix | Do you have the Development kit? |
| 07:38.01 | Axel-F | ges no |
| 07:38.03 | Miravlix | It contains a nice tutorial written by Blizzard |
| 07:38.23 | Cairenn | Thrae: this channel is good for advanced dev knowledge too, whether Iriel is awake or not :p |
| 07:38.51 | Axel-F | Is it downloaded from blizard? |
| 07:38.54 | Thrae | Cairenn: Yeah, but to say this is the crux of all Addon development knowledge... |
| 07:39.03 | Miravlix | Cairenn linked all URL's you need to get started |
| 07:39.09 | Kirov | I would classify wowace as a good place for advanced lua knowledge as it pertains to wow |
| 07:39.18 | Miravlix | Thrae: It is when I'm awake. :p |
| 07:39.51 | Axel-F | Ok i have that tutorial not much help for me |
| 07:39.55 | Miravlix | Seriusly, what does the Ace people know we don't know among eveyrone here? |
| 07:39.56 | Thrae | Miravlix: Oh yeah, aren't you the developer of MetaMap? Hehe. |
| 07:40.08 | Miravlix | Naah |
| 07:40.24 | Miravlix | I'm a Cosmos Dev these days, designing libraries mostly |
| 07:40.34 | Cairenn | let's not start please guys? |
| 07:40.35 | Thrae | I find the gurus in #wowace are around more then the gurus in #wowi-lounge, at least for my vampiric schedule. |
| 07:40.57 | Thrae | But for someone just starting out, #wowace is not a good place to go unless you want to use Ace. |
| 07:41.12 | Miravlix | Okay, but I think it's bit unfair to everyone here to say Iriel is the only one with knowglede. :p |
| 07:41.15 | Thrae | Which you should. In my opinion. |
| 07:41.31 | Axel-F | Cairenn do you know that in the BLP2 tools download has a troyan in it? |
| 07:41.39 | krka | unfair but accurate :P |
| 07:41.45 | Thrae | Miravlix: I didn't say that, I just consider him the top guru. |
| 07:41.55 | Cairenn | Axel-F: since when? |
| 07:42.23 | Miravlix | He is due to his forum post a valuable information gatherer |
| 07:42.31 | Axel-F | i downloaded it go a troyan |
| 07:42.54 | Axel-F | got me self a trojan horse |
| 07:42.54 | Miravlix | But there is several people here that I think contributes a lot to the advancement of UI programming. |
| 07:43.09 | Thrae | Axel-F: Some virus scanners mistakenly mark files as trojans when they're really not. |
| 07:43.55 | Axel-F | realy than why did it dealite all my history, cookies, temporary...? |
| 07:44.06 | Miravlix | Most if us here contributes to the information that ends up in Iriels post |
| 07:44.16 | Miravlix | Without us Iriel wouldn't look half as good as he does. :) |
| 07:44.18 | Thrae | Miravlix: Well, you're from the Cosmos community. The Ace and Cosmos community stay pretty separate and make strides on their own. Who has made the most advancements, I won't say. |
| 07:44.32 | Kirov | lol |
| 07:44.38 | Cairenn | guys |
| 07:44.40 | Kirov | and on that note |
| 07:46.23 | Kirov | hmm |
| 07:46.26 | Miravlix | Cosmos has little or no reason to support any seperation, but Ace tend to be pretty vocal and unfriendly to our efforts. We would mutch prefair Ace/Cosmos as a combined group. |
| 07:46.27 | Kirov | Stranq is messy |
| 07:47.03 | Kirov | I have local variables that are prefixed with stranq_ and global variables that aren't |
| 07:47.07 | Kirov | bad me |
| 07:48.22 | kergoth | Miravlix: i'd say that any conclusions you'd drawn about the ace community from the past are essentially worthless when applied to the community that exists today. the attitudes, members, and aptitude is quite different than it was. |
| 07:48.58 | Thrae | Miravlix: There are major devs on both sides of the issue that don't want to get along. I'd rather the two communities develop intertwined projects, but I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. There's too much bad blood from the past, despite both sides's best efforts to eliminate it. |
| 07:48.59 | kergoth | i think its time to open communications from a clean slate. |
| 07:49.49 | Kirov | CosmAce! |
| 07:50.19 | Kirov | Acemos |
| 07:50.33 | Cairenn | CTAceMos |
| 07:50.43 | Cairenn | we went through that the other night, didn't we? |
| 07:50.44 | Thrae | Hehe |
| 07:50.53 | Kirov | SimpleCTAceMos! |
| 07:50.57 | Kirov | ... ok, maybe not |
| 07:51.12 | Thrae | CT is yet another community that should work together with projects, and not just theory |
| 07:51.36 | Kirov | I wouldn't really refer to CT as a community |
| 07:51.45 | Kirov | A community implies many people. |
| 07:52.12 | Thrae | I wasn't really counting the people that develop addons which use Cosmos or Ace libs. |
| 07:52.18 | Kirov | And Cide doesn't have a multiple personality disorder as far as I know. |
| 07:52.20 | Cairenn | just had Dolby check the BLP2Viewer, it's clean |
| 07:52.30 | Kirov | Cairenn - He's gone already |
| 07:52.41 | Cairenn | I know, just telling you guys |
| 07:52.42 | Kirov | Cairenn - I checked it too, he probably already has a virus on his computer |
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| 07:54.30 | Dolby-wowi | ....or I have seen anti-virus apps have false positives. Had that happen to the eq2map updater exe once |
| 07:55.00 | Thrae | I mentioned that to him when he first said it, so at least he got that ;) |
| 07:57.55 | Thrae | Hmmm, can one do a Title search on WoWI? |
| 07:58.32 | Thrae | I see full-text (Description), File Name, and User Name. |
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| 08:25.07 | cHZqoEBwF | Morning all |
| 08:25.38 | Cairenn | hello Dhraga |
| 08:26.10 | Dhraga | Hiya :) Pretty quiet today It seemes like |
| 08:26.39 | Cairenn | well, depending on where you are it's still early/late |
| 08:27.06 | Dhraga | Haha true (10:30 in the morning in Sweden atm) ;) |
| 08:27.41 | Cairenn | 4:27 am where I am |
| 08:27.51 | Dhraga | :D |
| 08:27.52 | Cairenn | 1:27 on west coast North America |
| 08:27.59 | Shadowed | 1:17 is not considered late |
| 08:28.16 | Shadowed | s/17/27/ |
| 08:28.23 | Shadowed | I prefer to think of it as the best time for wow |
| 08:28.40 | Dhraga | Depends when you start work in the morning also ;) |
| 08:29.27 | Dhraga | <- Slaps self For only sleeping 3.5 hours last night |
| 08:29.39 | Cairenn | well, I haven't been asleep yet |
| 08:29.49 | Dhraga | Hehe |
| 08:30.12 | Shadowed | Either farm gold, or go to sleep. it's a hard choice |
| 08:31.13 | Dhraga | Btw, short addon (or macro) question... Is there any addon except Satrinas Chat addon that adds the %r %s %o %l enhancements to macro functions ? |
| 08:31.47 | Dhraga | Farm gold can be fun at start but darn booring in the long run :/ |
| 08:32.11 | Shadowed | it's also only motivating to farm gold when i don't need it |
| 08:32.13 | Shadowed | it's annoying :( |
| 08:32.29 | Dhraga | Looking for macro enhancements to call race, sex, level into macros |
| 08:32.38 | Dhraga | With %r etc |
| 08:33.20 | Dhraga | Shadowed, where do you usually farm then ? (I used to farm DM West, but currently farming BRD) |
| 08:33.50 | Shadowed | Good question, one which i hadn't figured out yet! |
| 08:34.03 | Dhraga | Hehe |
| 08:34.36 | Dhraga | Lord Incendious and me are like old friends.... terribly bored with eachothers though :P |
| 08:34.58 | Shadowed | Not that valuable to farm anymore thought due to ace of elementals being mostly worthless |
| 08:35.13 | Shadowed | was fairly fun working out how to stealth run to him on a warrior without using the evade spot thought |
| 08:35.51 | Dhraga | Mmm...true but still get some Essence of fire, shards and other junk, and each kill takes about 4-5 mins from entering the instance to dead boss |
| 08:36.54 | Dhraga | But terribly booring in the long run :9 |
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| 08:37.28 | Shadowed | I find AH playing to be easier then farming in the end |
| 08:37.52 | Dhraga | You mean buy cheap / sell expensive ? |
| 08:38.03 | Shadowed | pretty much |
| 08:38.25 | Dhraga | Hmmm... */slaps self again* havent thought about it lol |
| 08:38.28 | Shadowed | or buying in bulk and selling the singles |
| 08:38.59 | Dhraga | Hehe... Lord Incendious will miss me i reckon ;) |
| 08:39.35 | Dhraga | Btw Shadowed, Ace of Elementals still goes for about 100-150g |
| 08:39.43 | Dhraga | on A-N |
| 08:39.59 | Shadowed | they are only going for around 40-60g on IC |
| 08:40.04 | Dhraga | ah |
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| 08:40.18 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 08:40.31 | Dhraga | I loved when Libram of Focus was expensive, made quite a lot of them ;) |
| 08:40.52 | Shadowed | the whole DM exploit was nice for money making |
| 08:40.58 | Dhraga | Aye |
| 08:41.38 | Dhraga | Btw, in what patch did they change so instance bosses breaks combat if getting to far away |
| 08:41.51 | Shadowed | Think I ended up with roughly 150 stacks of major healing ( which i used it all in around 2.5 months of pvping ), 50 major mana, 300 LBS and probably 10 librams |
| 08:41.58 | Shadowed | You mean leashing? |
| 08:42.27 | Dhraga | We'll not possible to kite the Scholo bosses around the room anymore |
| 08:42.43 | Shadowed | Raid bosses started getting leashing in BWL. Scholo/strat/ect probably got them in the 1.10 patch |
| 08:42.53 | Dhraga | ok |
| 08:43.10 | Dhraga | No more soloing hard bosses then :P |
| 08:43.55 | Dhraga | *hard hitting bosses that is* |
| 08:46.23 | Dhraga | <-- bored atm, anyone got any fun links or something ? |
| 08:53.19 | Dhraga | (Trying again) *Macro question* Anyone got a link to how you can get race, level, sex, class, of a target into an chat string ? |
| 08:54.41 | Dhraga | Ah nm.. found it =) |
| 08:55.43 | Dhraga | http://ui.worldofwar.net/macros.php?id=88 if anyone needs (but I guess its only me ;) ) |
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| 09:04.58 | Aris | is there a way to cycle targets? I'm looking for an api function that will let me do the equivalent of tab orctrl+tab |
| 09:05.47 | Aris | anyone here? |
| 09:08.38 | zenzelezz | the place usually starts waking up soon |
| 09:09.35 | Aris | ah, im going to be soon :) |
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| 11:24.02 | clad|work | Morning all |
| 11:24.04 | clad|work | have a good day! |
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| 11:49.28 | krka | ooh... idea to easily export data from WoW... just have an external program check the latest screenshot. and have the UI take screenshots all the time :) |
| 11:49.32 | krka | not very efficient though |
| 12:04.16 | krka | hmm... if i filled the screen with a single color, and saved as png it would be pretty small in size |
| 12:04.25 | krka | and then remove that before the user sees it |
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| 12:21.42 | Greywind | *yawns* mornin whoever is actually here :) |
| 12:22.08 | AnduinLothar | im not |
| 12:25.28 | Miravlix | Anyone know how WoW runs on a screen with 1680x1050 resolution (widescreen) |
| 12:29.15 | Greywind | I wish i knew >.< |
| 12:30.35 | Greywind | im quite sure it would depend on your video card |
| 12:30.47 | Miravlix | Nvidia 7900 GTX. |
| 12:30.54 | Greywind | oh i have that card |
| 12:31.00 | Greywind | will work fine |
| 12:31.04 | Greywind | i think |
| 12:32.10 | Greywind | i run wow at 1600x1200 with everything on high and i get 60+ fps even when raiding so im thinking you are good |
| 12:32.47 | Greywind | of course it also depends on your amount of ram also, WoW is a ram hungry beast |
| 12:33.47 | Miravlix | AMD Dualcore 4800+ 2 GB Dual Channel RAM and the Nvidia Card, running on a CRT 19" with Nvidia 7900 GFX, so that works fine |
| 12:34.02 | Miravlix | But a Widescreen LCD thats weird dimension |
| 12:34.27 | Greywind | 0.o i doubt you will have a problem, you will just have more screen space, wow seems to scale really well |
| 12:34.55 | Greywind | i run it on a widescreen imac at work and everything seems fine |
| 12:34.57 | Miravlix | Well, I loss 150 in hight, but gain 80 in width |
| 12:35.55 | Miravlix | In Desktop mode, wow should handle the weird format fine. |
| 12:36.10 | Greywind | aye |
| 12:36.12 | Miravlix | I'm just wondering about running full screen games. |
| 12:37.11 | Miravlix | Don't they just suppor standard sizes like 800x600 1024x768 1600x12xx |
| 12:38.19 | zenzelezz | don't what, the monitor or the game? |
| 12:38.28 | Miravlix | The games |
| 12:38.32 | Greywind | no widescreen support was added in beta |
| 12:38.44 | Greywind | its been there since dec of 04 |
| 12:38.50 | zenzelezz | games usually just query the videocard, which in turn consults the monitor I believe |
| 12:38.59 | zenzelezz | although some games are stupidly coded and just hard-code |
| 12:39.00 | Miravlix | LCD's basically has 1 mode they are good at and for this one it's 1680x1050 or something like that. |
| 12:39.46 | Miravlix | So if I play some full screen game, I wonder if it will support the widescreen format |
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| 12:40.08 | zenzelezz | most decent FPS-like games do |
| 12:40.24 | Miravlix | Hehe, FPS make me sick so I never play those. :) |
| 12:40.53 | zenzelezz | well, I count WoW as an FPS-like :) It's not an RTS at least =D |
| 12:41.12 | Greywind | wow seems to work fine at that res acording to http://www.widescreengamingforum.com |
| 12:41.15 | zenzelezz | don't know what it is about RTS games, but I have more resolution problems with them than other games |
| 12:41.28 | Miravlix | There is other games than FPS and RTS |
| 12:41.33 | Miravlix | There is WoW... :) |
| 12:41.51 | Miravlix | Hmm, now if I only could remember what they are called. |
| 12:42.01 | zenzelezz | I said FPS-like :) And I'm only talking about the rendering mode, not the gameplay |
| 12:42.04 | krka | genres? |
| 12:42.19 | krka | WoW is usually more third person than first person though |
| 12:42.25 | Miravlix | Real time strategy, First Person Shooter. |
| 12:42.53 | zenzelezz | FPS and 3PS are the same rendering mode pretty much |
| 12:42.54 | Miravlix | But WoW/MMORPGS is very far from FPS. |
| 12:43.11 | zenzelezz | how many times do I have to tell you I'm not talking about the gameplay |
| 12:43.13 | krka | aren't most RTS also 3D these days? |
| 12:43.33 | zenzelezz | to some degree |
| 12:45.21 | krka | .. a 3rd degree maybe? |
| 12:47.16 | Miravlix | I don't see all that big a graphics difference between the categories these days, so I'm not following what you mean with WoW being FPS graphics like. |
| 12:47.23 | Miravlix | So a Skoda is Ferrari like? |
| 12:48.13 | krka | depends on the color |
| 12:48.28 | zenzelezz | if you'd just said that right away I wouldn't have bothered trying to explain it since we just disagree :-) |
| 12:52.47 | Miravlix | Wish it had some Video IN, so I could use it for the Tuner card/Playing movies |
| 12:56.31 | Miravlix | Hmm, I guess I could record directly to some streaming software and connect to the stream from the Windows machine |
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| 14:01.50 | Greywind | grr i hate lua sometimes *sigh* anyone wanna help me with my problem?http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5824 |
| 14:10.16 | Industrial | uh cant you just ask tekkub in #wowace to fix it? :P |
| 14:27.05 | Greywind | could but i wanna do it myself :P I'm annoying like that sometimes |
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| 16:00.26 | Hexarobi | yo |
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| 17:18.12 | aboo | anyone seens kirkburn? |
| 17:19.04 | Cairenn | ~seen kirkburn |
| 17:19.31 | purl | kirkburn <n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1d 16h 21m 58s ago, saying: 'bye!'. |
| 17:19.39 | aboo | aw :/ |
| 17:19.43 | Cairenn | ~seen kilkbuln |
| 17:19.49 | purl | kilkbuln <n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1d 18h 39m 6s ago, saying: 'I put 'font' instead of 'font-family' for no good reason'. |
| 17:19.50 | Cairenn | (since he was being silly) |
| 17:19.59 | Cairenn | so yeah, he's mia |
| 17:20.53 | aboo | mia? |
| 17:21.18 | Cairenn | Missing In Action |
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| 17:21.57 | aboo | oh |
| 17:24.19 | Cairenn | he'll show up sooner or later |
| 17:26.48 | pyfen | Cairenn: I saw your name tagged to uhh Morpheus is it? a ui mod package that looked quite wel done |
| 17:27.12 | Cairenn | linkage? |
| 17:30.36 | pyfen | lookin |
| 17:32.11 | pyfen | ahh |
| 17:32.13 | pyfen | MazzleUI |
| 17:32.46 | Cairenn | how is my name "tagged" to it? |
| 17:33.27 | pyfen | hmm |
| 17:33.30 | Cairenn | (just trying to figure out what you mean, not trying to be annoying) |
| 17:33.32 | pyfen | now its not there maybe I saw it somwhere else |
| 17:34.03 | pyfen | o i know I"m sorry I havent slept, I saw your name on the forum somewhere, and was sone appologizing to yo and somoeone else about other ppl in previous posts being assholes |
| 17:34.04 | Cairenn | only way I'm "tagged" with Mazzle is in that we're hosting the closed beta and whatnot |
| 17:34.12 | Cairenn | ahhhhh, that |
| 17:34.26 | pyfen | coudl have swore it was with mazzle was other person they wer apologizing to |
| 17:34.32 | pyfen | closed beta for which? |
| 17:35.31 | Cairenn | for the mod |
| 17:35.45 | Cairenn | and he was apologizing to both of us for the crap we've had to put up with on the thread |
| 17:36.25 | Cairenn | because I have to deal with it, too, since I run the site |
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| 17:42.24 | pyfen | ah |
| 17:44.22 | Kaso | Anyone know about Open office's Spreadsheetting program |
| 17:47.06 | pyfen | I know that ther is one |
| 17:47.12 | pyfen | what do you need to know bout it? |
| 17:47.30 | pyfen | it'd be identical to MS excel I'd imagine |
| 17:49.52 | Kaso | I cant seem to get my custom function to work in my spreadsheet |
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| 18:27.04 | Kirov | http://www.rdx-raid.com/node/10 - crazy |
| 18:31.43 | Cairenn | MentalPower: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5827 if you have a moment? |
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| 18:44.42 | Hexarobi | nice name |
| 18:44.43 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 18:44.51 | InterSlayer | My favorite font! |
| 18:45.04 | ComicSansMS | *bow* ^^ |
| 18:45.08 | Cairenn | hi ComicSansMS |
| 18:45.51 | ComicSansMS | haven't been here in a while... |
| 18:46.25 | Hexarobi | cair is case sensative |
| 18:47.05 | Kirov | Aren't most women? |
| 18:47.06 | Cairenn | cair uses tab complete ;) |
| 18:49.49 | aboo | kirkbuuuurn |
| 18:49.51 | aboo | where aaaare you |
| 18:50.31 | Hexarobi | is there some reason some addons set math.randomseed to a numeric value |
| 18:50.47 | Hexarobi | instead of using the function math.randomseed(seednumber) |
| 18:51.05 | Hexarobi | is it just a programming mistake that doesnt cause an error? |
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| 18:55.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | nothing like single handedly driving up the price of kingsblood and heavy leather to double overnight |
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| 18:55.27 | Hexarobi | ehe |
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| 18:56.03 | MentalPower | Cairenn: sure, lemme write something up |
| 18:56.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've gotten about 90% of neutral for thorium brotherhood in a day or two |
| 18:56.09 | Cairenn | MentalPower: thanks |
| 18:56.28 | Cairenn | just figured you'd at least have an idea, which is more than I could offer |
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| 19:07.44 | Qzot | Hello, boys and girs. |
| 19:07.51 | Qzot | s/girs/girls/ |
| 19:17.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | We got snakes on this plane man |
| 19:17.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | s/snakes/gerbils s/plane/rolllercoaster |
| 19:17.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 19:17.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | s/snakes/gerbils |
| 19:17.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | oes |
| 19:17.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | s/snakes/gerbils/ s/plane/rolllercoaster/ |
| 19:17.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay nevermind :P |
| 19:18.04 | Qzot | *cough* |
| 19:18.20 | Qzot | We've got gerbils on this rollercoaster. |
| 19:18.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have no idea how to work purl or if it requires some type of access or what |
| 19:19.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i was trying trial and error :O |
| 19:19.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | s/error/chickens |
| 19:20.00 | Hexarobi | you cant do two things at once, and when you tried, it reset your last-message |
| 19:20.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | blarg i always mess that up heh |
| 19:20.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | s/heh/hehe |
| 19:20.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
| 19:20.17 | Hexarobi | s/do two things at once/dance the funky chicken with barbra bush/ |
| 19:20.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i always forget the last slash |
| 19:20.24 | Hexarobi | your forgettin the closing / |
| 19:20.33 | Qzot | s/gerbils/the ability to use purl if you have a final slash/ |
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| 19:21.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | s/tree/banana boat/ |
| 19:21.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 19:22.45 | Cairenn | hey, it's a Qzot! |
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| 20:19.25 | Shadowed | nice |
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| 21:22.48 | Rallion | I <3 Disgaea |
| 21:25.35 | zenzelezz | Disgaea? |
| 21:32.15 | Cide | so um |
| 21:32.40 | Cide | what's the difference between "RAID" and "BATTLEGROUP" as far as addon messages go? |
| 21:32.49 | Cide | provided that you actually are in a battleground |
| 21:33.20 | Asni | your raid can consist of people outside a battleground |
| 21:33.26 | AnduinLothar | BATTLEGROUND goes to anyone in the bg, if they're in the raid or not |
| 21:33.42 | AnduinLothar | and only in your bg |
| 21:33.49 | Shadowed | forced BG groups aren't exactly considered a raid |
| 21:33.51 | Cide | well, everyone gets put into a raid when you join a battleground, even if you previously were in one |
| 21:33.55 | Shadowed | not exactly |
| 21:34.01 | Cide | when I tested it I did |
| 21:34.09 | Shadowed | You can still talk in /raid and /party with the people in your original raid group and the people in the battleground one can't see it. |
| 21:34.22 | Shadowed | So if you use RAID or PARTY it'll go to that group instead of the battleground one. |
| 21:34.39 | Cide | but you can't see those people using "raidX".. heh, okay |
| 21:34.41 | AnduinLothar | doesn't it restore your old grp when you leave? |
| 21:34.44 | Cide | no clue |
| 21:34.48 | Cide | didn't leave |
| 21:34.51 | Shadowed | yeah it does |
| 21:35.16 | Asni | your group doesn't get destroyed i guess |
| 21:35.18 | AnduinLothar | yeah, you never actually leave the grp, just half the ui swaps to a new grp.. |
| 21:35.22 | AnduinLothar | it's ha |
| 21:35.24 | AnduinLothar | hax* |
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| 21:35.28 | Shadowed | The entire battleground group is done very oddly. If you queue as a group it's like a half raid, all the raidX unit's return the BG group, but talking sends it into the original |
| 21:35.52 | Asni | should have included bg# then:P |
| 21:35.59 | AnduinLothar | general |
| 21:36.10 | AnduinLothar | oh, you mean for the grp |
| 21:36.16 | AnduinLothar | no the grp is raid# |
| 21:36.17 | Shadowed | that'd require a lot of redoing of blizzards code and would break pretty much every raid addon :p |
| 21:36.37 | Shadowed | redoing = updating |
| 21:38.15 | Shadowed | So yeah, have fun dealing with the BG groups cide :p |
| 21:38.24 | Cide | I don't plan on |
| 21:38.28 | Cide | that's way messy |
| 21:39.07 | Shadowed | we didn't have BATTLEGROUND for comm messages before, i'm happy we at least got it |
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| 21:48.41 | zenzelezz | is there really no way out of Naxxramas except hearthstone, portal or spirit resurrection? |
| 21:49.04 | Shadowed | if you run into the instance zone in outside of a group you ressurect outside of the instance |
| 21:49.28 | zenzelezz | but there's no exit from inside? |
| 21:49.35 | Shadowed | nope |
| 21:49.54 | zenzelezz | how annoying :-| |
| 21:49.58 | Shadowed | Easiest way is to die in the slime in abom wing, or strip and die if you want to avoid hearthing, portalling or ressurection sickness |
| 21:55.32 | Saroz | just die, leave raid and try and portal in |
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| 22:53.46 | Warla | howdy |
| 22:54.17 | Cairenn | hi |
| 22:54.20 | Warla | anyone good at wow mod XML ? :-/ i'm kinda need help/tips on a problem |
| 22:55.26 | Warla | i prepared my mod pretty much for what it should do.. but with the display its kinda hmm... not like i want it :-) |
| 22:55.38 | Cairenn | try explaining, then if anyone can help and are at keys, they will |
| 22:55.43 | Warla | k |
| 22:56.01 | Warla | right now i'm working on a UI mod that extracts data from wow and displays it to my website |
| 22:56.10 | Warla | so far most of the stuff i need i can export |
| 22:56.18 | cladhaire | k |
| 22:56.39 | Warla | also the website for the profile is done and with the exception of a few data i still need to export most is done: |
| 22:56.40 | Warla | http://darky28.dyndns.org/chris/wowprofiles/?id=1 |
| 22:56.56 | cladhaire | k |
| 22:57.00 | Warla | heres an export of my warlock for example (on my laptop computer thats why the link is slow) |
| 22:57.11 | Warla | so far the mod is only text based in wow |
| 22:57.16 | cladhaire | that's one way to put it =) |
| 22:57.29 | Warla | when i type /wowprofile it collects most data.. then you need to open all tradeskills and the bank |
| 22:57.38 | Warla | in order to have the data collected |
| 22:57.46 | Warla | but i kinda like to add a GUI to the mod |
| 22:57.53 | Warla | i started doing it and i have a screenshot: |
| 22:57.59 | cladhaire | ok |
| 22:58.04 | Warla | http://darky28.dyndns.org/chris/wowprofiles/mod_screenshot.jpg |
| 22:58.09 | Warla | thats what i have so far |
| 22:58.18 | cladhaire | ok |
| 22:58.29 | Warla | basically the title of the window (draggeable.. so you can ove it around) |
| 22:58.32 | Warla | and the button |
| 22:58.51 | Warla | which does nothing else than call /wowprofiles function which i typed with text command from before |
| 22:59.00 | cladhaire | yep |
| 22:59.02 | Warla | below that scan info button |
| 22:59.05 | Warla | i now want a list |
| 22:59.09 | Warla | that looks like |
| 22:59.15 | Warla | Bank Bags --- Not Scanned |
| 22:59.20 | Warla | Inventory -- Scanned |
| 22:59.28 | Warla | Professions --- Not Scanned |
| 22:59.35 | Warla | and stuff not scanned yet in red |
| 22:59.39 | Warla | and scanned stuff in greem |
| 22:59.42 | cladhaire | ok |
| 22:59.47 | cladhaire | then you just need a series of fontstrings |
| 22:59.47 | Warla | so the user knows exactly what to do next |
| 22:59.50 | Warla | yea |
| 23:00.01 | Warla | and those fucken fontstrings alsways center in the middle |
| 23:00.04 | Warla | of that gay window hehe |
| 23:00.11 | Warla | i could make 2 fontstroings |
| 23:00.16 | Warla | one is left aligned |
| 23:00.18 | Warla | and one right |
| 23:00.22 | cladhaire | the fontstrings do exactly what you tell them to =) |
| 23:00.41 | Warla | yea but aparently i have still trouble understanding the positioning on em |
| 23:00.57 | cladhaire | well what you want to do, is take the FIRST one. |
| 23:01.00 | Warla | if you want i can send you the XML file which defines the window you see on the screenshot |
| 23:01.05 | cladhaire | anchor the LEFT point of it to the LEFT point of the frame |
| 23:01.12 | Warla | ya |
| 23:01.24 | Warla | second one is anchored to the right point of the frame |
| 23:01.24 | cladhaire | then take a second one, anchor the LEFT of it to the RIGHT of the first string |
| 23:01.31 | cladhaire | or that. |
| 23:01.36 | cladhaire | set the justificatino on them |
| 23:01.40 | cladhaire | what issue are you having with them? |
| 23:01.45 | Warla | but for some reason the crappy string stay in the middle vertical aligned |
| 23:01.54 | cladhaire | on top of each other? |
| 23:01.57 | Warla | yea |
| 23:02.00 | Warla | heh |
| 23:02.05 | Warla | wanna see the XML? ^^ |
| 23:02.09 | cladhaire | put the xml at wowi.pastey.net |
| 23:03.46 | Warla | http://wowi.pastey.net/313-2w0r |
| 23:04.31 | Warla | heh ohh and the buttons |
| 23:04.37 | Warla | i must have made a mistake there as well |
| 23:04.43 | Warla | lets say i open the mailbox |
| 23:04.47 | cladhaire | you don't anchor the fontstrings |
| 23:04.49 | Warla | and i start moving the mod window |
| 23:05.05 | Warla | the buttons appear OVER the mailbox window while the rest is behind |
| 23:05.11 | cladhaire | lets start with first things first |
| 23:05.14 | Warla | k |
| 23:05.15 | cladhaire | you dont anchor the fontstrings |
| 23:05.45 | Warla | do i put the anchor between the <fontstring> </fontstring>? |
| 23:05.53 | Warla | or is it after the </fontstring> |
| 23:06.02 | cladhaire | yep, using the same method you use for TestStatusBar |
| 23:06.41 | cladhaire | <Anchors><anchor point=blahablahblah></anchor></anchors> |
| 23:07.27 | Warla | ahh ya |
| 23:07.29 | Warla | worked |
| 23:07.42 | Warla | it put them both in the top left corner |
| 23:07.49 | Warla | and with the offset i can now adjust them |
| 23:07.54 | cladhaire | yeah, like i said .. hehe they do exactly what you tell them to |
| 23:07.59 | cladhaire | well like i said |
| 23:08.04 | cladhaire | anchor the LEFT to LEFT, and RIGHT to RIGHT |
| 23:08.06 | cladhaire | and use off set there |
| 23:08.07 | Warla | but lets say hmm i need 20 lines... thats a awful lot of XML code right? |
| 23:08.11 | cladhaire | (for the FIRST set) |
| 23:08.21 | cladhaire | it is, but you can make it shorter by using templates |
| 23:08.29 | cladhaire | not too much shorter tho |
| 23:09.32 | Warla | what ya mean with templates? |
| 23:09.44 | cladhaire | your profiler is one of the most extensive and impressive i've seen |
| 23:10.02 | cladhaire | Warla: essentially you make a frame, and add virtual="true" to the frame. Then you can instantiate frames like that |
| 23:10.03 | Warla | thx |
| 23:10.13 | Warla | the php/mysql side i can do pretty well |
| 23:10.16 | cladhaire | there's.. way too many examples to point out =) |
| 23:10.20 | Warla | but with lua and xml i suck donkey balls lol |
| 23:10.23 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 23:10.31 | Warla | friggin mod i wrote must be worst code out there hehe |
| 23:10.31 | cladhaire | do it all in lua dynamically =) |
| 23:11.00 | Warla | best parts of my profiler is the tradeskill and quest section |
| 23:11.03 | Warla | check that our :-) |
| 23:11.06 | Warla | so wow look&feel |
| 23:11.08 | cladhaire | here's an example of templates: http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/WatchDog/WatchDog/WatchDog.xml |
| 23:11.11 | cladhaire | i have |
| 23:11.12 | cladhaire | i love it =) |
| 23:11.14 | cladhaire | is what i'm saying |
| 23:11.25 | cladhaire | WatchDog_DebuffTemplate defines a bunch of frames and stuff underneath it. |
| 23:11.43 | cladhaire | later on in the code, I then can use inherits="WatchDog_DebuffTemplate" to inherit from that frame |
| 23:11.43 | Warla | the tradeskills first fucked me up.. because i had it all in 1 page at first. thats 400 kb strings sent over |
| 23:11.49 | Warla | i now made em load on demand |
| 23:12.01 | Warla | so the data sent per profile is minimal |
| 23:12.14 | Warla | around 80k for warla (one of the biggest possible ones) |
| 23:12.24 | Warla | other chars get 16-30kb |
| 23:12.28 | cladhaire | yeah its nice |
| 23:12.34 | cladhaire | very much so |
| 23:12.53 | cladhaire | templates won't save you much code here, but it will save you some |
| 23:13.06 | cladhaire | cause then you can just take the first oen.. anchor it.. then anchoring is really easy after that |
| 23:13.19 | Warla | those templates are then stored in lua files? |
| 23:13.47 | Warla | or do you just define one as name and make that inherit on the others |
| 23:13.53 | Warla | ahh i think i understand |
| 23:14.56 | cladhaire | they'r ehandy for stuff like this |
| 23:15.02 | Warla | ya |
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| 23:15.29 | cladhaire | like i said, then you just anchor every subsequent fontstring at TOPLEFT to BOTTOMLEFT of the frame prior. |
| 23:15.58 | Warla | ya |
| 23:16.04 | Warla | i see how you mean it |
| 23:16.12 | Warla | and then within the lua file |
| 23:16.19 | Warla | i can access those strings |
| 23:16.28 | Warla | and change text - color accordingly |
| 23:16.35 | cladhaire | yep =) |
| 23:16.36 | Industrial | Woolen Bag 1g on ah |
| 23:16.40 | Industrial | this economy is sick |
| 23:16.42 | Industrial | :| |
| 23:16.43 | cladhaire | Industrial: ... what server. |
| 23:16.44 | cladhaire | ffs |
| 23:16.52 | Industrial | Kazzak EU |
| 23:16.55 | Warla | Industrial horde or ebayliance? |
| 23:17.00 | cladhaire | thats insane |
| 23:17.10 | Industrial | horde |
| 23:17.16 | Warla | we pay 1g20 per stack of wool |
| 23:17.19 | Industrial | lol |
| 23:17.40 | Warla | dragonmaw is so bad |
| 23:17.44 | Warla | we have so many ebay farmrs |
| 23:18.00 | Warla | = every ass on alliance side buys ebay gold else there woulndt be that many farmers |
| 23:18.47 | Industrial | ;\ |
| 23:19.03 | Shadowed | Eh, it could always just be one person bought a lot or some accounts got banned and they need to make more |
| 23:20.22 | Warla | heh |
| 23:20.35 | Warla | cladhaire and the prob with the buttons |
| 23:20.40 | Warla | what did i do wrong there? |
| 23:20.45 | Warla | they float above all |
| 23:20.56 | Warla | they dont seem to be same level as the window hehe |
| 23:21.27 | cladhaire | well describe what happens? |
| 23:21.47 | Warla | ok |
| 23:21.53 | Warla | immagine a sandwich |
| 23:22.04 | Warla | bottom of the bread is my window |
| 23:22.13 | Warla | with the texts and the frames and stuff |
| 23:22.21 | Warla | then you open for example the mailbox |
| 23:22.35 | Warla | the mailbox is now the ham in the sandwich |
| 23:22.45 | Warla | while all my buttons are the top bread of the sandwhich |
| 23:22.52 | Warla | but they should be at the bottom bread |
| 23:23.10 | Warla | so basically when i move my window over to the mail window |
| 23:23.24 | Warla | the text and frame and everything goes BEHIND the window |
| 23:23.31 | Warla | while the buttons still hover over em |
| 23:23.45 | Warla | i can make a screeny if you need to see ^^ |
| 23:25.25 | cladhaire | your buttons needs to be children of the frame |
| 23:25.29 | Industrial | lol, bread? x_X |
| 23:25.33 | cladhaire | see how you have Anchors and Scripts |
| 23:25.35 | cladhaire | you need <Frames> |
| 23:25.42 | cladhaire | and then put those button definitions in the <Frames> tag |
| 23:25.46 | cladhaire | then close it with </Frames> |
| 23:26.22 | cladhaire | bread made me hungry |
| 23:28.48 | Warla | k |
| 23:30.10 | cladhaire | then they're children, and should be chill =) |
| 23:30.59 | Warla | hehe |
| 23:31.22 | cladhaire | ooh the screenshot is sexy |
| 23:31.41 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:31.58 | cladhaire | you have a good eye for design |
| 23:34.01 | Warla | yay |
| 23:34.04 | Warla | check this out: |
| 23:34.19 | Warla | http://darky28.dyndns.org/chris/wowprofiles/mod_screenshot.jpg |
| 23:34.23 | Warla | worked :-)))) |
| 23:34.56 | cladhaire | yay |
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| 23:40.14 | Industrial | wats that |
| 23:40.19 | cladhaire | ? |
| 23:40.48 | Industrial | the screenshot |
| 23:40.51 | cladhaire | Industrial: http://darky28.dyndns.org/chris/wowprofiles/?id=1 |
| 23:42.17 | Industrial | holy crap table galore |
| 23:42.18 | Industrial | :P |
| 23:42.46 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 23:43.12 | Industrial | bet you could position that with css easily |
| 23:43.20 | cladhaire | position what? |
| 23:43.33 | Industrial | everything thats been done with html tables in that page |
| 23:43.55 | Industrial | just position it all absolute and mix and match on the x/y's |
| 23:44.37 | cladhaire | hmm |
| 23:48.54 | Industrial | nice profile btw |
| 23:48.55 | Industrial | o_O |
| 23:48.58 | Rallion | oh, yeah, that thing is like what CSS was made for |
| 23:49.12 | Rallion | well, not really. but it would work really well. |
| 23:51.31 | Industrial | dunno how hard it is but those items from the AQ quest in that profile look really nice |
| 23:52.04 | Industrial | http://ts2.archaicorder.com/AO/images/doomcaller-art.jpg |
| 23:52.04 | Industrial | hmm |
