| 00:03.35 | Cide | hmm |
| 00:03.41 | Cide | has anyone created a messageframe with CreateFrame? |
| 00:03.56 | Kirov | noop |
| 00:04.22 | Cide | my xml definition includes an anonymous fontstring, I'm wondering if I have to create that myself or not |
| 00:04.29 | Cide | I guess I could just reload and see |
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| 00:09.19 | ckknight | Cide, should just have to set the font object |
| 00:09.34 | Cide | hm, using what? |
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| 00:10.22 | ckknight | :SetFontObject |
| 00:10.54 | Cide | oh, right |
| 00:10.59 | Cide | it inherits that |
| 00:11.00 | Cide | cool, thanks |
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| 00:34.15 | Abenadi | Frame:SetID(ID) - does ID have to be a number? |
| 00:36.09 | ckknight | test it out |
| 00:37.51 | Abenadi | I set it to a string and it said usage:<Unknown>:SetID(ID) |
| 00:37.57 | Abenadi | so probably |
| 00:38.09 | Abenadi | <unnamed> I mean |
| 00:38.16 | ckknight | and now you know |
| 00:47.33 | DoomGaze3 | Hey, I'm having some issues with the ~= operator |
| 00:47.42 | Kirov | like what? |
| 00:47.51 | DoomGaze3 | well, it's always returning true |
| 00:48.51 | Kaso | an example might help perhaps |
| 00:49.05 | DoomGaze3 | one sec... |
| 00:50.52 | DoomGaze3 | if (minRoll ~= 1) then |
| 00:50.52 | DoomGaze3 | DebugMsg("MinRoll does not equal 1, it equals "..minRoll); |
| 00:50.52 | DoomGaze3 | end |
| 00:50.52 | DoomGaze3 | if (minRoll ~= 100) then |
| 00:50.52 | DoomGaze3 | DebugMsg("MaxRoll does not equal 100, it equals "..maxRoll); |
| 00:50.53 | DoomGaze3 | end |
| 00:51.12 | DoomGaze3 | prints out: MinRoll does not equal 1, it equals 1 |
| 00:52.15 | DoomGaze3 | MaxRoll does not equal 100, it equals 100 |
| 00:52.26 | Kirov | odd |
| 00:52.50 | Kirov | well, for one you have minRoll ~= 100, not maxRoll ~= |
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| 00:54.14 | cogwheel | Woot! Got my MS antitrust settlement voucher :) |
| 00:54.15 | DoomGaze3 | result doesn't change |
| 00:54.27 | DoomGaze3 | any ideas why this code doesn't work guys? |
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| 00:54.36 | DoomGaze3 | if (minRoll ~= 1) then |
| 00:54.37 | DoomGaze3 | DebugMsg("MinRoll does not equal 1, it equals "..minRoll); |
| 00:54.37 | DoomGaze3 | end |
| 00:54.37 | DoomGaze3 | if (maxRoll ~= 100) then |
| 00:54.37 | DoomGaze3 | DebugMsg("MaxRoll does not equal 100, it equals "..maxRoll); |
| 00:54.37 | DoomGaze3 | end |
| 00:55.00 | DoomGaze3 | prints out: MinRoll does not equal 1, it equals 1 |
| 00:55.03 | DoomGaze3 | MaxRoll does not equal 100, it equals 100 |
| 00:55.17 | Kirov | no clue |
| 00:55.26 | Kirov | that should work |
| 00:56.00 | DoomGaze3 | they should be returning false, but they're not |
| 00:56.40 | Kirov | try this |
| 00:56.40 | DoomGaze3 | that makes no sense |
| 00:56.40 | Kirov | if ( not minRoll == 1 ) |
| 00:56.49 | Kirov | effectively the same thing |
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| 00:58.09 | Flyoc | maybe rolls are strings |
| 00:58.15 | Flyoc | and thus == doesnt work |
| 00:58.15 | DoomGaze3 | that worked for some reason |
| 00:58.39 | DoomGaze3 | that might be it! |
| 00:58.46 | Kirov | Floyc - string ~= int should result in false |
| 00:58.48 | Kirov | not true |
| 00:58.52 | Kirov | ah |
| 00:58.53 | Kirov | wait |
| 00:58.54 | Kirov | right |
| 00:59.25 | Kirov | tonumber(minRoll) ~= 1 |
| 01:04.05 | DoomGaze3 | yup, that was it |
| 01:07.43 | Corrodias | what the heck is a ~=... |
| 01:08.07 | DoomGaze3 | getn always returns the actual number of elements in a table regardless whether or not I use insert/remove right? |
| 01:09.37 | DoomGaze3 | y/n? |
| 01:10.07 | Kaso | > t={1,2,3} |
| 01:10.08 | Kaso | > table.insert(t,5,5) |
| 01:10.10 | Kaso | > print(table.getn(t)) |
| 01:10.11 | Kaso | 5 |
| 01:10.13 | Kaso | > |
| 01:11.25 | DoomGaze3 | hmmm |
| 01:11.28 | cladhaire | table.insert() calls table.setn() |
| 01:11.37 | cladhaire | you have to use tables right for the table. functions to work properly |
| 01:11.47 | cladhaire | DoomGaze3: So no =) |
| 01:12.05 | cladhaire | DoomGaze3: If you always use table.insert() without a positoin, and table.remove() instead of niling elements, then table.getn() should be correct |
| 01:12.12 | cladhaire | if you stray outside of those rules, it wont =) |
| 01:12.49 | DoomGaze3 | can I .insert by key instead of string? like table.insert(t, "key", value)? |
| 01:12.56 | DoomGaze3 | er |
| 01:13.01 | DoomGaze3 | you know what I mean |
| 01:13.03 | cladhaire | no |
| 01:13.11 | cladhaire | table.getn() doesn't have defined behavior on keyed tables. |
| 01:13.13 | cladhaire | only arrays |
| 01:13.19 | cladhaire | so to speak |
| 01:13.45 | cladhaire | Wb Cairenn |
| 01:13.52 | Cairenn | thanks :) |
| 01:13.52 | DoomGaze3 | then how can I find the size if I can't use table.insert? |
| 01:13.52 | AnduinLothar | cladhaire: I added SPELLCAST_SUCCESS to IsCasting fyi |
| 01:14.07 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Huzzah! |
| 01:14.14 | cladhaire | DoomGaze3: Whats the question, specifically? |
| 01:14.19 | AnduinLothar | foud out an easy way to do it |
| 01:14.29 | cladhaire | if you need to insert keyed values into a table, then you need to track the size of the table yourswelf. |
| 01:15.19 | DoomGaze3 | ugh |
| 01:15.34 | cladhaire | DoomGaze3: write a function that does removes and inserts for you. |
| 01:15.42 | cladhaire | why do you need the number? |
| 01:15.48 | DoomGaze3 | If I showed you my code, could you suggest a better way to do what I'm doing? |
| 01:15.54 | cladhaire | possibly |
| 01:15.57 | cladhaire | we won't know until we try =) |
| 01:16.00 | DoomGaze3 | because I can't think of one... pasteying... |
| 01:16.11 | cladhaire | mmm... pastey tastes so good |
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| 01:16.54 | Guillotine | haha. is it intended that you can set the loot threshold to poor? ML every single grey or white item that drops... |
| 01:17.01 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 01:17.02 | cladhaire | hehe =) |
| 01:17.06 | cladhaire | some greys are worth some serious bank :P |
| 01:18.07 | DoomGaze3 | http://pastey.net/156 |
| 01:19.17 | cladhaire | I would table.insert(rollList, {["name"] = "blahblah" ["roll"] = number}) |
| 01:19.22 | cladhaire | then you can sort that table and take the top. |
| 01:19.38 | cladhaire | and possibly random between the tied winners, if there are. |
| 01:20.08 | DoomGaze3 | they roll a tiebreaker |
| 01:20.33 | cladhaire | that simplfied your algoritm.. to like 2 lines. |
| 01:21.21 | cladhaire | s/ed/es/ |
| 01:21.22 | DoomGaze3 | what's the brackets in your line do? |
| 01:22.16 | DoomGaze3 | oic |
| 01:22.51 | cladhaire | makes a table. |
| 01:23.01 | DoomGaze3 | could I do {name = playerName, roll = theRoll}? |
| 01:23.09 | cladhaire | yep |
| 01:25.32 | DoomGaze3 | it complicates this check tho: elseif (rollList[playerName]) then |
| 01:26.04 | cladhaire | no it doesn't. |
| 01:26.07 | cladhaire | sort the list |
| 01:26.09 | cladhaire | take the top person |
| 01:26.11 | cladhaire | you have your winner. |
| 01:26.14 | cladhaire | unless i'm missing something. |
| 01:26.32 | DoomGaze3 | that checks to see if a player is already in the list |
| 01:27.21 | cladhaire | then like i said, you can write functions to do the insert/remove for you |
| 01:27.41 | cladhaire | depends on whats most important to you |
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| 01:28.45 | Corrodias | so what i wonder is this |
| 01:29.23 | Corrodias | doesn't putting something up for auction require a fee that is a proportion of the min bid or buyout or something, even if it doesn't sell? |
| 01:29.42 | Corrodias | or is it perhaps a flat fee? i forget, man |
| 01:29.56 | DoomGaze3 | it's proportinate to the vendor price |
| 01:29.57 | cogwheel | It's a percentage... 5% iirc |
| 01:30.04 | cogwheel | and it's refunded if the item sells |
| 01:31.35 | Corrodias | vendor price, and not the prices you set in the auction, eh? |
| 01:32.43 | DoomGaze3 | pretty sure |
| 01:32.56 | DoomGaze3 | it also depends on how long you put it up for |
| 01:33.02 | Corrodias | that would explain how someone can turn a profit by selling something pointless for 99g |
| 01:33.03 | DoomGaze3 | higher percent the longer it's up for |
| 01:55.41 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 02:17.39 | AnduinLothar | cog, you win. BuyUmAll is hawt! |
| 02:17.58 | AnduinLothar | no more infinite clicking to buy Symbols |
| 02:18.09 | AnduinLothar | I can just go and buy 200 before the raid |
| 02:24.31 | cogwheel | why thank you :) |
| 02:24.37 | cogwheel | I'm making it even hotter atm... |
| 02:25.39 | cogwheel | support for special bag types. It'll automatically enter however much ammo you need to fill ammo pouches and only counts empty herb/enchanting bag spots if you are buying a dust/essence or herb |
| 02:26.43 | cogwheel | I'll probably throw in a display of how much it's gonna cost you, too |
| 02:28.36 | Kyahx | AuduinLothar: or you could use FreeRefills to automatically keep 200 on you :) |
| 02:29.12 | Esamynn | back later |
| 02:29.33 | Kyahx | which reminds me, I should probley update it on WoWI...since that ones like 3 revisions behind, heh |
| 02:31.49 | Kirkburn | wewt, completed the milkman and the napoleon bonaparte levels :D |
| 02:32.52 | Kirkburn | Those ... in fact, *all* sections of Psychonauts rock! |
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| 03:03.24 | Kirov | Cide - you around? |
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| 03:06.02 | Shadowed | Nothing like a random 6 hour internet blackout to make you hate your ISP |
| 03:06.35 | Kirkburn | LOL ... http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/frosty/ (this may make little sense to those who haven't seen the full ad) |
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| 03:07.16 | cogwheel | kirov, i uploaded BuyEmAll with the hunter improvements (ok... enchanters & herbalists won't mind much either) |
| 03:07.25 | Cide | Kirov: ya |
| 03:08.57 | Kirov | cogwheel - cool, I'll grab that soon |
| 03:09.08 | Kirov | Cide - I found a bug with CT_MasterMod |
| 03:09.17 | Kirov | CT_OptionBarFrame has mouse enabled |
| 03:09.25 | Kirov | but it doesn't move with the button |
| 03:09.34 | Kirov | So it effecively blocks the right side of the minimap |
| 03:11.16 | Cide | sec |
| 03:11.17 | Cide | twin emps |
| 03:11.51 | Kirov | np |
| 03:12.00 | Kirov | that's 14 minutes of pain |
| 03:12.38 | Cide | I will not escape death, apparently |
| 03:13.01 | Kirkburn | The ATI name may be dead :O |
| 03:13.10 | Kirkburn | It may become just AMD |
| 03:13.59 | Kirkburn | (http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=34450) |
| 03:14.04 | cogwheel | Man i have mixed feelings about that merger |
| 03:14.25 | Kirkburn | How would you feel about having an |
| 03:14.25 | Kirkburn | AMD Radeon =) |
| 03:14.29 | Hexarobi | whats ati stand for? |
| 03:14.29 | cogwheel | i *hate* ati, but i love amd, but now intel processors are going to be better than amds..... |
| 03:14.50 | Kirkburn | Hexarobi, something Canadian :P |
| 03:15.03 | Hexarobi | ive recently become convinced theyre all being controlled by the freemasons |
| 03:15.19 | Kirkburn | Array Technologies Incorporated |
| 03:15.32 | Hexarobi | i read that the pawn in chess is based on the freemasons compass and square, but i dont see it |
| 03:15.34 | Kirkburn | In fact: Array Technologies Incorporated Technologies Inc. |
| 03:15.43 | Kirkburn | If you believe wikipedia |
| 03:15.49 | cogwheel | It makes sense... |
| 03:16.02 | Kirov | cogwheel - oh, btw, just as a beautification note, could you put a \n before the # of items so that the # x [Item] is on a new line in the prompt? |
| 03:16.03 | cogwheel | the biggest technology hurdles in early video cards were RAM-related |
| 03:16.03 | Kirkburn | It's like saying PIN number |
| 03:16.05 | Hexarobi | and upon doing the 5-minute google special, all i find is the same like that its based on the compass and square, but no more explaination |
| 03:16.28 | cogwheel | yeah. i'll do that. |
| 03:17.22 | cogwheel | I've got a few other visual things to change too so i can fit the cost in there |
| 03:18.21 | Kirkburn | night, night all! |
| 03:19.12 | zespri_work | is there a good way to find out if you are currently feared |
| 03:19.56 | zespri_work | if there is an addon or library that can do this, point me to the right direction please |
| 03:20.38 | cogwheel | IsBuffActive would work, i think. you'd use it to check for the presence of the various fear-type debuffs |
| 03:21.06 | zespri_work | yea, but you don;t know what buff it is |
| 03:21.24 | zespri_work | or of you have the list of all fear debuffs, then please do share =) |
| 03:21.44 | cogwheel | try searching wowwiki.com for fear |
| 03:21.55 | zespri_work | good idea |
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| 03:23.11 | zespri_work | but there are only player inflicted effects unfortunately |
| 03:23.17 | zespri_work | ok thanks anyway |
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| 03:36.10 | Esamynn | Cairenn: nice job on the new FAQ threads |
| 03:36.18 | Cairenn | thanks Es :) |
| 03:36.44 | Cairenn | lot of the thanks goes to Mikk though |
| 03:36.57 | Cairenn | he helped me finish getting them sorted out |
| 03:40.23 | Mikk | Having any luck with finding an EU poster? |
| 03:40.32 | Cairenn | Lego posted, sorta |
| 03:41.28 | Cairenn | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-en&t=52285&p=1&tmp=1#post52285 |
| 03:41.56 | Mikk | er um ok |
| 03:42.16 | Cairenn | makes sense, in a way |
| 03:42.40 | Cairenn | means they link to one set, so not having to worry about others being out of date |
| 03:43.24 | Mikk | well yeah but... if he was just going to link to something, he might as well have linked to the wiki tbh :-P |
| 03:43.26 | Mikk | better formatting =) |
| 03:43.43 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.03 | Mikk | yay eu forums |
| 03:44.04 | Mikk | "wat is a macro and how do i make 1???" |
| 03:44.47 | Mikma | Cairenn: support us apple-people too! lua-editor http://smultron.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:45.07 | Cairenn | hey, you see what the thread says :p |
| 03:45.14 | InterSlayer | Hey is it possible to flip or rotate a frame? :P |
| 03:45.19 | Cairenn | add, then I'll add :) |
| 03:45.37 | Mikma | Cairenn: ok rob me a us-account somewhere first ;) |
| 03:45.57 | Cairenn | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_FAQ :p |
| 03:46.01 | ckknight | would it be wrong to boast about my optimizations here? |
| 03:46.04 | Esamynn | InterSlayer: not directly, what are you trying to do? |
| 03:47.02 | Cairenn | added it |
| 03:47.08 | InterSlayer | uh..monopoly game, i want to make one frame tile and flip it for the sides, as opposed to .. not doing that =p |
| 03:47.33 | Mikk | oh.. that's just the texture then |
| 03:47.34 | Cairenn | and added |
| 03:47.35 | Mikk | yeah that's doable |
| 03:47.41 | Esamynn | you can't rotate frames, but I think you can rotate textures ;) |
| 03:47.49 | InterSlayer | ehh i was avoiding textures too lol |
| 03:47.50 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Texture_SetTexCoord |
| 03:48.07 | Mikk | ok then you're screwed :-P |
| 03:48.09 | ckknight | hey all, to anyone who's following, I've made AceComm's :IsUserInChannel method roughly 50x more efficient than Telepathy. A comforting thought to all you Cosmos fans ;-) |
| 03:48.20 | Mikma | ckknight: /clap |
| 03:48.26 | Esamynn | I've never played with texture coordinates myself, so I can't tell you exactly how to go about it |
| 03:48.45 | ckknight | ~roulette |
| 03:48.47 | purl | ACTION watches ckknight pull the trigger: Click! |
| 03:48.55 | Mikma | ~roulette |
| 03:48.56 | purl | ACTION watches mikma pull the trigger: Click! |
| 03:49.01 | InterSlayer | mm k, thanks :P |
| 03:49.02 | Mikk | :SetTexCoord(0,1,0,1) <- this does "nothing" |
| 03:49.03 | Esamynn | ......................... |
| 03:49.14 | Mikk | :SetTexCoord(1,0,1,0) <- this is a 180 degree spin |
| 03:49.18 | Kirov | "The goggles, they do nothing." |
| 03:49.20 | Cairenn | god people are stupid |
| 03:49.26 | Mikk | :SetTexCoord(0,1,1,0) <- this is a vertical flip |
| 03:49.26 | Esamynn | Mikk: no no, don't start simple, start with the complicated version! :P |
| 03:49.30 | Mikk | hehehehe |
| 03:49.32 | Mikma | 0.07,0.93,0.07,0.93 = zooms the border off! |
| 03:49.37 | Mikma | YAY clean buttonrows! |
| 03:49.41 | Esamynn | lol |
| 03:50.02 | Mikk | :SetTexCoord(0,0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7) <- this will look very very skewed :-) |
| 03:51.14 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=427611&p=1&tmp=1#post427611 |
| 03:51.21 | Esamynn | Mikk: lol |
| 03:51.26 | Cairenn | answer: "I'm too lazy to click the link" |
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| 03:53.56 | Mikma | oh dear lord i wish i could reply to that one, i would reply something like "looks like there is error with your ui" |
| 03:54.14 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:54.20 | Mikk | nah, cairenn's answer was better :-P |
| 03:54.29 | Cairenn | as I said, "too lazy to click the link" |
| 03:54.44 | Esamynn | what can I say, I was feeling "charitable" |
| 03:55.11 | Cairenn | you're sweet |
| 03:56.55 | Hexarobi | oh man |
| 03:57.04 | Hexarobi | i just found a zip file of all the warcraft2 sprites |
| 03:57.19 | Hexarobi | now its only a matter of effort to make wowChess do battlechess style animations |
| 03:57.31 | Esamynn | lol |
| 03:57.46 | Esamynn | that would be neat :) |
| 03:57.50 | Hexarobi | hehe ya |
| 03:57.58 | Hexarobi | ive already got them standing around and talking |
| 03:58.00 | Hexarobi | and playing chess |
| 03:58.06 | Hexarobi | just need to do all the animation code |
| 03:58.18 | ckknight | pimp, Hexarobi |
| 03:58.48 | Hexarobi | man |
| 03:58.58 | Hexarobi | that would be badass |
| 04:00.40 | Hexarobi | i should just write an addon that plays warcraft2 ;) |
| 04:00.50 | ckknight | ... |
| 04:02.33 | Hexarobi | haha man |
| 04:02.54 | Hexarobi | i think i wanna make an addon that just has a dragon that randomly flies across the screen |
| 04:03.22 | Hexarobi | the warcraft2 dragon is so cool |
| 04:06.39 | Hexarobi | i cant believe they make a believable throwing action in 3 frames |
| 04:10.47 | ckknight | hehe |
| 04:20.03 | Esamynn | sigh, I think the fact that "openning messages" are missing from the combat log on the PTR is intentional, although the reasoning escapes me |
| 04:20.35 | Cide | opening messages? |
| 04:21.11 | Esamynn | the messages you get when you open a chest or other openable item, or when you "open" a herb or ore node |
| 04:21.20 | Cide | ah |
| 04:21.30 | Cide | so no more "You perform Opening on .."? |
| 04:22.14 | Esamynn | exactly |
| 04:22.25 | Esamynn | same with: You perform Herb Gathering on %s. |
| 04:22.27 | Cide | how stupid |
| 04:22.48 | Esamynn | I'm trying to decide if I post asking about it on the test forums or on the UI forums |
| 04:24.24 | Cide | both wouldn't hurt, would it? :) |
| 04:24.35 | Esamynn | I suppose |
| 04:25.26 | Gryphen | thwart node logging addons |
| 04:26.21 | Esamynn | not really, they can still watch for SPELLCAST_START and check the contents of the Tooltip |
| 04:38.09 | Esamynn | I think I'll wait and post in the morning |
| 04:39.56 | Shadowed | is it showing text on the casting bar? |
| 04:40.31 | cogwheel | night all |
| 04:40.35 | Cairenn | night cog |
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| 04:46.52 | Mikma | Server first! 1700KB/s+ UI increase! Thanks to COSMOS wohoo! http://wow.reaktio.net/cosmos.jpg |
| 04:47.39 | Kirov | lol |
| 04:48.46 | Shadowed | nice right bar |
| 04:49.12 | Mikma | thanks :) |
| 04:49.17 | Mikma | i like to make bandages |
| 04:53.24 | Esamynn | Shadowed: yes, everything else is normal |
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| 04:53.54 | Shadowed | odd |
| 04:54.42 | Shadowed | seems like a half-ass approch to stopping gatherer type mods |
| 04:54.48 | Esamynn | very, it has been that way since the PTR first came up for 1.12 AFAIK |
| 04:55.25 | Shadowed | sounds more like a bug |
| 04:55.53 | Shadowed | or possibly a tired programmer who just said screw it and half-assed it |
| 04:56.19 | InterSlayer | Is it possible to infer a parent frame from a preceding line because the frame is a 1-liner with /> to close it, without naming it in the child frame? :P |
| 04:56.43 | Shadowed | setpoint in lua! |
| 04:56.59 | InterSlayer | boo! |
| 04:57.33 | Cairenn | eek |
| 04:57.33 | Esamynn | InterSlayer: no, the parent has to contain it, or you need to use the parent attribute |
| 04:57.33 | kergoth | s/boo/yay/g |
| 04:57.34 | Mikk | :GetParent? |
| 04:57.52 | InterSlayer | i'm doing the layout of a monopoly board and trying to chain the properties together |
| 04:58.05 | Shadowed | good luck with that :p |
| 04:58.09 | Shadowed | the monopoly game that is |
| 04:58.21 | InterSlayer | seriously, this is a learn as you go deal too. haha |
| 04:58.31 | Mikk | InterSlayer: don't use xml. build the frames yourself in lua |
| 04:58.37 | Shadowed | what he said |
| 04:58.59 | Shadowed | would be better off and can change everything easier if you create it in lua |
| 04:59.04 | Esamynn | personally, I don't understand all the XML hate |
| 04:59.33 | Shadowed | it's not really hate |
| 04:59.46 | Shadowed | but considering what he's trying to do it would be easier down the line to have it dynamically created |
| 04:59.48 | Cairenn | neither do I Es |
| 05:00.05 | Kyahx | XMLs load when you log in regaurdless of you need them or not, can't be dynamic if I understand correctly |
| 05:00.09 | kergoth | using xml greatly limits your flexibility. you can't decide when and where to create the frames. and some of us just find the format abhorrent :) |
| 05:00.20 | Shadowed | Kyahx: It can be if you use CreateFrame in LUA |
| 05:00.23 | Esamynn | Templates! |
| 05:00.44 | Kyahx | If I never open the options menu to a mod, i dont want to waste memory storing it |
| 05:00.46 | Kyahx | basically |
| 05:00.51 | Mikk | i like doing my templates in xml and creating frames from lua myself |
| 05:00.55 | InterSlayer | oh neat, theres a createframe()? :P |
| 05:00.57 | Mikk | yes |
| 05:01.02 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CreateFrame |
| 05:01.12 | InterSlayer | yes i see it now haha |
| 05:01.15 | Shadowed | I like being able to add a new option to my UI in 10 seconds with the hardest thing being figuring out point rather then spending a couple of minutes figuring out the 6-7 lines of XML and then dealing with parents |
| 05:01.15 | Mikk | on that note... am I the only one that finds the current wowwiki url format a bit busted? |
| 05:01.25 | Shadowed | by busted do you mean you want an excuse to redo it? |
| 05:01.39 | Mikk | well... i'm a bit tired of always having to pipe links |
| 05:01.52 | Mikk | "Please see [[API Frame RegisterEvent|Frame:RegisterEvent]]." |
| 05:01.55 | Shadowed | can you re-add the list of event names to the right side when you have a chance, please? :p |
| 05:02.01 | Mikk | When it could just be "Please see [[Frame:RegisterEvent]]." |
| 05:02.14 | Shadowed | purl needs to support wiki searching |
| 05:02.24 | Esamynn | lol |
| 05:02.25 | Mikk | you want the toc back? |
| 05:02.25 | Cairenn | program it in :p |
| 05:02.57 | Mikk | i find the toc annoying because ctrl+f keeps finding the stuff i'm searching for in the toc first |
| 05:03.29 | Shadowed | just the name of the event on the page |
| 05:03.40 | Shadowed | CHAT_MSG_FRIENDLYDEATH, CHAT_MSG_HOSTILEDEATH, ect |
| 05:03.42 | kergoth | Shadowed: write a patch |
| 05:03.48 | kergoth | purl is a blootbot, its j ust perl |
| 05:04.07 | Shadowed | i'd have to do actual work then :( |
| 05:04.18 | Mikk | Shadowed: so you want the Table of Contents on the topright yes? |
| 05:04.22 | Shadowed | and would have to learn perl |
| 05:04.25 | Shadowed | Mikk: yeah that |
| 05:04.30 | Mikk | meh :-/ |
| 05:04.45 | Shadowed | not really huge, just semi-annoying not having it |
| 05:05.07 | kergoth | pfft, perl is quite useful, its text mangling capabilities are extensive. itd do you good to learn it :) |
| 05:05.20 | kergoth | that said.. |
| 05:05.22 | kergoth | ~laziness |
| 05:05.23 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 05:05.30 | Shadowed | How dare you try to get me to work |
| 05:05.30 | InterSlayer | if i did frame creation through LUA, i'd still need the xml file and at least one frame to start the script to start the frame generation, right? :P |
| 05:05.32 | Shadowed | and learn |
| 05:05.35 | Shadowed | i'm not in this channel to learn |
| 05:05.40 | Mikk | Shadowed: can you explain what it is that you're trying to do that requires the toc? |
| 05:05.42 | Mikk | InterSlayer: no |
| 05:05.42 | kergoth | InterSlayer: you can put a .lua in the .toc. |
| 05:05.49 | kergoth | InterSlayer: you need not have a stub xml file |
| 05:06.01 | Shadowed | Mikk: As i said, not really anything big. just found it semi-annoying when trying to search for events |
| 05:06.39 | Mikk | searching how |
| 05:06.43 | Shadowed | InterSlayer: you'd probably want to use an XML file still so you can define templates. but really depends whow you want to do it |
| 05:06.47 | Mikk | (i'm just trying to understand how people are using the pages) |
| 05:06.47 | Shadowed | searching for the name |
| 05:07.08 | Mikk | you're not using ctrl-f then i take it |
| 05:07.18 | Mikk | because that's what i do, and then the toc just gets in the way |
| 05:07.53 | Mikk | would you want an all-in-one name list without texts to scan for names easier? |
| 05:08.01 | Shadowed | that'd be even better |
| 05:08.03 | Mikk | on a separate page i mean |
| 05:08.09 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 05:09.39 | Mikk | mm.. maybe i should sit down and write that bot then |
| 05:10.39 | Abenadi | When I use SetScript for a frame, is there a way to indicate that I want the script to use a variable's current value instead of the value of the variable when the function is called? |
| 05:10.44 | Esamynn | InterSlayer: no, you can call .Lua files directly from the TOC file |
| 05:11.09 | Mikk | Abenadi: explain |
| 05:11.39 | Abenadi | the line of code would be something like this: f:SetScript("OnEnter", function() pcEcho(this:GetID(), "H") end); |
| 05:11.50 | Abenadi | but instead of "H", I want to use a value that might be different, using a variable |
| 05:12.08 | Mikk | put something in the frame |
| 05:12.10 | Abenadi | BUT when I call the script later, that value ends up different |
| 05:12.13 | Mikk | and then use this.somevar |
| 05:12.30 | Abenadi | How do I do that, just this.varname = "whatever"? |
| 05:12.33 | Mikk | yes |
| 05:12.34 | Mikk | er no |
| 05:12.37 | Esamynn | you can put something in the frame, OR you can use a closure |
| 05:12.39 | Mikk | f.varname = "whatever" |
| 05:12.47 | Mikk | then in the script reference it with this.varname |
| 05:12.55 | Abenadi | yeah that's pretty much what I meant, thanks Mikk |
| 05:13.02 | Mikk | Esamynn: I don't think this is the right time to start with closures :-) |
| 05:13.10 | Esamynn | ahhhh :( |
| 05:13.40 | Mikk | Abenadi: frame objects are just lua tables |
| 05:14.13 | Mikk | there's only two special things about them: they have a [0] member that you don't want to touch, and they have an __index metamethod that's used for looking up methods (functions) |
| 05:14.26 | Abenadi | that makes it ALOT easier... I was bumping my head up against cramming a couple things in setid |
| 05:14.33 | Mikk | other than that, you can do everything to them that you can with a regular table |
| 05:15.02 | Esamynn | Mikk: you're right of course ;) |
| 05:29.51 | Esamynn | GRRRR, forums are down :( |
| 05:30.43 | Cairenn | so use the better ones :p |
| 05:31.29 | Esamynn | I wanted to link something from the test realm forums |
| 05:32.15 | Shadowed | the better ones require FF, thefor they aren't better :p |
| 05:32.37 | Esamynn | FF? |
| 05:32.50 | Shadowed | firefox |
| 05:34.21 | Esamynn | good night all |
| 05:34.33 | Cairenn | night es |
| 05:34.46 | Cairenn | the better ones are at WoWI :p |
| 05:35.58 | InterSlayer | how do you make a virtual frame with lua, frameType = "Virtual" ? |
| 05:36.19 | Kirov | with lua? |
| 05:36.27 | Kirov | Not sure you can make a virtual frame with lua |
| 05:36.27 | InterSlayer | indeed |
| 05:36.31 | InterSlayer | bah |
| 05:36.35 | Kirov | Only xml |
| 05:37.28 | InterSlayer | gotcha, thanks :P |
| 05:37.41 | Kirov | Why? |
| 05:37.54 | InterSlayer | mmmmonopoly board |
| 05:38.45 | ckknight | Hexarobi, you think you could send me the WC2 sprites? ckknight at gmail |
| 05:40.01 | Kirov | InterSlayer - are you trying to create a virtual frame from CreateFrame with which to use as the inherited frame for others? |
| 05:40.17 | InterSlayer | Yes |
| 05:40.22 | InterSlayer | i can just do it in the xml i guess =p |
| 05:42.02 | Kirov | Or create the basic layout of the frame and make it a function with the properties you want to change as variables for the function. |
| 05:44.23 | Legorol | good morning |
| 05:44.33 | Cairenn | hi Legorol |
| 05:44.42 | InterSlayer | oh |
| 05:44.42 | Legorol | anyone knows a good source of information for cranking exact stats |
| 05:44.43 | InterSlayer | gotcha |
| 05:45.00 | Legorol | e.g. +1 agi means +x% crit, +y% dodge |
| 05:45.03 | Legorol | that sort of things |
| 05:45.15 | InterSlayer | theres an addon that sorta does it, theorycraft |
| 05:45.19 | Legorol | i got TheoryCraft, which is very interesting, and I'm intersted in behind the scenes |
| 05:45.32 | InterSlayer | it should include a file that explains the formulas used and sources i think =p |
| 05:45.38 | Legorol | InterSlayer, what i'm most interested in is where to find the information it's based on |
| 05:45.38 | InterSlayer | or at least the formulas |
| 05:45.52 | Legorol | well there is a formulasused.txt but it's not detailed enough |
| 05:45.55 | Kirov | wowwiki.com |
| 05:46.00 | Kirov | has all the formulas |
| 05:46.04 | Legorol | i'll take a look at wowwiki, thanks |
| 05:46.12 | Legorol | specifically one thing i'm trying to do: |
| 05:46.25 | Legorol | given a warrior that has Impale and Flurry talents, |
| 05:46.44 | Legorol | and an item that gives +1% crit chance, |
| 05:46.55 | Legorol | what would be an equivalent item that gives same damage output increase, but gives +AP instead |
| 05:47.03 | Legorol | i'm interested in figuring out how to calculate this |
| 05:47.33 | Legorol | And another, but simpler question: |
| 05:47.45 | Kirov | There's a mod specifically for warriors that shows all that info |
| 05:47.49 | Kirov | Warrior Card or something |
| 05:47.50 | Legorol | assuming you don't have any talents, |
| 05:48.14 | Legorol | how do you work out how much your damage output increases, if you get a +1% crit chance increase, all other things being equal |
| 05:48.27 | Legorol | (and no, the answer is not 1%) |
| 05:49.06 | Legorol | Kirov: thanks i'll take a look |
| 05:50.19 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Critical_hit_chance - all of that |
| 05:51.41 | Shadowed | this pug ony is amusing |
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| 05:58.09 | s|loup | hi |
| 05:58.41 | Cairenn | hi |
| 06:04.51 | Shadowed | 2 trans helm + crappy book = win |
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| 06:28.45 | Mikk | re: virtual frames in lua .... |
| 06:28.55 | Mikk | i'm not even sure there is a real difference between virtual and non-virtuals anymore |
| 06:29.03 | Mikk | except that a virtual frame obviously isn't running any scripts, and isn't shown |
| 06:29.22 | Mikk | i mean... you can inherit from non-virtuals too, right...? |
| 06:30.20 | Kirov | yes |
| 06:30.28 | Kirov | weird |
| 06:30.39 | Kirov | ui forum back up |
| 06:30.43 | Kirov | looks like it got rolled back |
| 06:32.56 | Cairenn | how far back? |
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| 06:35.07 | Kirov | Not sure |
| 06:35.19 | Kirov | But I remember there being stuff after slouken's response |
| 06:36.03 | Cairenn | after his *second* response? |
| 06:36.21 | Cairenn | at 10:28 pm pdt? |
| 06:37.13 | Cairenn | (asking) |
| 06:40.58 | Kirov | hmm |
| 06:41.05 | Kirov | did he delete his first response? |
| 06:41.36 | Cairenn | seems so |
| 06:42.29 | Kirov | maybe that's all it is then |
| 06:55.14 | kergoth | hurray for buyemall, buying an inventory full of darkmoon special reserve is much easier now |
| 06:55.26 | kergoth | cogwheel, facilitator of my drunkenness |
| 06:56.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:19.26 | Cairenn | anyone else a bit surprised by how ... direct ... Woody was with his latest comic? He isn't usually quite so... blunt |
| 07:19.39 | Shadowed | linky? |
| 07:19.47 | Cairenn | http://www.gucomics.com/ |
| 07:20.56 | Cairenn | he can be fairly blunt and direct, but usually not quite to that extreme |
| 07:21.50 | Cairenn | obviously he can be pretty blunt, just look at the comic on the front page of any of our sites, but still ... |
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| 07:30.39 | Industrial | morning |
| 07:39.40 | InterSlayer | In Lua, is there a way to refer to a frame object by its name like GetFrame or something? |
| 07:40.30 | Shadowed | getglobal( "framename" ); |
| 07:40.36 | InterSlayer | ah global |
| 07:40.36 | InterSlayer | thanks |
| 07:40.37 | Industrial | or just framename |
| 07:40.38 | Industrial | :P |
| 07:40.52 | Shadowed | Well, if you're trying to do like RowX then you'd need to use getglobal :p |
| 07:40.54 | Industrial | if its global and you dont have one local.. |
| 07:40.58 | Industrial | yeah |
| 07:45.27 | InterSlayer | bah its caps sensetive |
| 07:45.28 | InterSlayer | AHHHH |
| 07:45.54 | Shadowed | pretty much everything is |
| 07:46.59 | InterSlayer | how can you have SetPoint and getglobal, booo |
| 07:48.18 | Mikk | if you don't like it just put GetGlobal = getglobal at the top of your lua file :-P |
| 07:48.44 | Mikk | though you can't do that with "Function" and "For" and "Break" so you might just get those horrible VB conventions out of your system :-P |
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| 07:52.12 | GremSilentshadow | does anyone know if there is a way to cancel follow ? |
| 07:52.17 | GremSilentshadow | With a script |
| 07:52.26 | Mikk | StopFollowing()? |
| 07:52.34 | GremSilentshadow | Is that a command? heh |
| 07:52.37 | Mikk | hm no wait |
| 07:53.50 | Mikk | bleh |
| 07:53.59 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_FollowUnit |
| 07:54.04 | Mikk | doesn't show much promise |
| 07:54.06 | GremSilentshadow | Yeah ive read that |
| 07:54.14 | GremSilentshadow | But there's got to be a way =) |
| 07:54.16 | Mikk | FollowUnit("player"? |
| 07:54.31 | GremSilentshadow | I tried changing follow to a unit that didnt exist, still didnt work |
| 07:54.39 | Shadowed | nope |
| 07:54.48 | Shadowed | have to manually cancel |
| 07:54.58 | GremSilentshadow | Darn it |
| 07:55.09 | Shadowed | which isn't suprising :p |
| 07:55.13 | Mikk | owell.. i suppose we should be happy that we can even initiate following from a script |
| 07:55.27 | GremSilentshadow | Im very surprised that we can, in all honesty |
| 07:55.41 | Shadowed | you could make a bot do it easly enough anyway |
| 07:56.06 | GremSilentshadow | How so? |
| 07:56.13 | Mikk | GremSilentshadow: well.. any player action that isn't a non-instant spell will stop following, obviousyl |
| 07:56.23 | Mikk | but as usual, player input required... |
| 07:56.40 | Shadowed | you can bind a key to follow target, just instead of making the bot click key X to run the follow macro it hits the auto follow target key |
| 07:56.41 | GremSilentshadow | spells/combat doesnt stop following |
| 07:56.49 | Mikk | a spell with cast time will stop |
| 07:56.52 | Mikk | iirc |
| 07:56.56 | Shadowed | no it wont |
| 07:56.59 | Mikk | o |
| 07:57.00 | Shadowed | you'll get "Can't do it while moving" |
| 07:57.06 | Mikk | erhm... right |
| 08:18.47 | InterSlayer | hooray i have my board layout made |
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| 08:25.42 | Shadowed | InterSlayer: out of everything you could of done, why monopoly btw? |
| 08:25.48 | Shadowed | pretend i spelled it right though |
| 08:25.52 | InterSlayer | yes, it is. |
| 08:25.54 | InterSlayer | uh.. |
| 08:25.59 | InterSlayer | we use to play it during raids at games.com |
| 08:26.04 | Shadowed | ahhh |
| 08:26.07 | InterSlayer | and i use to play it when i was little with my family :D |
| 08:26.10 | InterSlayer | so i figured why not |
| 08:26.17 | InterSlayer | theres already poker and chess |
| 08:26.34 | Shadowed | i still like the idea of risk using the world map |
| 08:26.45 | InterSlayer | someone should make space invaders! |
| 08:26.56 | Shadowed | that'd be somewhat hard i'd imagine |
| 08:27.01 | InterSlayer | you think so? |
| 08:27.31 | Shadowed | not sure how you'd really do firing hitting something |
| 08:27.40 | Shadowed | easly that is |
| 08:28.23 | InterSlayer | an unbelievably convoluted series of arrays and matrixes with conditionals. |
| 08:29.26 | InterSlayer | i wish there was multiplayer tetris like tetrinet too lol |
| 08:29.35 | ckknight | my plan is to make Risk |
| 08:29.39 | ckknight | btw |
| 08:29.47 | InterSlayer | i've never played it before, gogo |
| 08:29.51 | Shadowed | oh i though you were kidding when you said that |
| 08:30.25 | ckknight | I got AceComm to a good, optimized point now |
| 08:30.44 | Shadowed | leave a backdoor in so i can bet money and cheat btw |
| 08:30.50 | ckknight | lol |
| 08:30.55 | ckknight | I do want betting |
| 08:31.08 | chuckg | Add-in some auction house backdoors. |
| 08:31.10 | Shadowed | do or don't |
| 08:31.24 | ckknight | i.e. 100g to the winner :-P |
| 08:31.24 | chuckg | if ( itemSeller = "Blindchuck" ) then BUYWHATEVERTHECOST(); end |
| 08:31.48 | Shadowed | Until people blame you for being suspended :p |
| 08:32.20 | ckknight | Risk might be hard to do, though :-P |
| 08:32.24 | ckknight | so damn complicated |
| 08:32.29 | ckknight | I made Rock-Paper-Scissors |
| 08:33.02 | chuckg | Make Battleship. |
| 08:33.05 | Shadowed | less complaining more coding |
| 08:33.12 | chuckg | Battle ship would own. |
| 08:33.37 | ckknight | Battleship could own. |
| 08:33.40 | ckknight | and I could do it |
| 08:33.53 | chuckg | Moveable, scaleable battleship window. |
| 08:33.58 | chuckg | For use in raids between trash pulls and wipes. |
| 08:34.10 | ckknight | right |
| 08:34.17 | Shadowed | build in auto accepting resses too |
| 08:34.17 | ckknight | that's a damn cool plan |
| 08:34.22 | ckknight | resses? |
| 08:34.30 | chuckg | No way man. |
| 08:34.33 | chuckg | What if you get cressed? |
| 08:34.35 | chuckg | And you need to time it? |
| 08:34.40 | chuckg | !! |
| 08:34.54 | chuckg | This isn't altcore or altwing lair! |
| 08:35.11 | Shadowed | people still do MC? |
| 08:35.29 | chuckg | "alt"-core. |
| 08:35.38 | Shadowed | people still do MC? |
| 08:35.39 | chuckg | http://thottbot.com/?sp=11718 |
| 08:35.40 | chuckg | Oops. |
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| 08:36.53 | chuckg | TOEP is still the second best DPS trinket in the game. |
| 08:36.57 | Shadowed | actually i can |
| 08:36.59 | Shadowed | which is a problem |
| 08:37.19 | ckknight | hey AnduinLothar |
| 08:38.01 | Shadowed | Isn't that AD reward better then TOEP? |
| 08:38.14 | InterSlayer | its a reverse zg trinket |
| 08:38.37 | Shadowed | isn't it better after something like 2-3 casts though |
| 08:39.03 | InterSlayer | yep |
| 08:39.13 | InterSlayer | it builds up to as much as a zg trinket when you first activate it or something |
| 08:39.14 | zenzelezz | <Shadowed> people still do MC? <--- ignoring any possible sarcasm, of course they do... not everyone can get into a high-end guild, and many need to go there to get equipment that'll make them viable past MC |
| 08:39.23 | Shadowed | sarcasm :p |
| 08:39.35 | zenzelezz | like I said, I chose to ignore that |
| 08:39.43 | Shadowed | i choose to ignore your choosing to ignore my sarcasm |
| 08:40.22 | zenzelezz | I wish WoW wasn't quite so gear-dependent... I almost got into a AQ40-level hard-core guild, but my equipment was too poor (for a warrior anyhow) |
| 08:40.34 | Shadowed | eh? whats your gear |
| 08:40.38 | zenzelezz | then again, I'm used to Anarchy Online, which can't really be compared |
| 08:41.30 | Shadowed | Really it depends what they wanted you for. not sure what your gear is, but unless it was tanking you shouldn't need *that* much as a requirement |
| 08:41.39 | Shadowed | even then, you can get gear easly |
| 08:41.46 | zenzelezz | my gear at the time was mostly the left column here, a few pieces upgraded since then: http://home.samsen.com/zenzelezz/zenzio.html |
| 08:42.14 | Shadowed | how far were they in AQ? |
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| 08:42.31 | zenzelezz | C'thun on farm |
| 08:42.37 | Shadowed | not a very smart guild then |
| 08:42.48 | InterSlayer | hows that? |
| 08:42.50 | zenzelezz | I'm sure they had their reasons |
| 08:43.08 | Shadowed | If they're farming c'thun then most of the conq pieces should be rotting so it's easy enough to get gear. |
| 08:43.14 | InterSlayer | ah |
| 08:43.23 | Shadowed | + BWL which should have around 80-90% of the stuff on DE really |
| 08:43.30 | InterSlayer | yup |
| 08:43.56 | zenzelezz | might've been a touch of bad luck also; they seemed to have a bit of a fude going with the warriors/rest concerning talent specs |
| 08:44.10 | Shadowed | you wanted to be DPS spec, they wanted prot? :p |
| 08:44.28 | zenzelezz | other way around... I'm heavy protection, most of their warriors didn't want to but the guild wanted them to |
| 08:45.11 | Shadowed | Could never see why people liked tanking all the time |
| 08:45.19 | Shadowed | drives me crazy needing to be it for a few weeks |
| 08:45.33 | zenzelezz | heh, you rotate being the tank(s)? |
| 08:46.00 | Shadowed | we have two main tanks and i'll switch between dps/prot depending whats needed at the time |
| 08:46.24 | zenzelezz | well, I won't argue about DPS/protection spec... some people like one, some people the other, and some enjoy a mix... as long as it works I don't feel anyone has a right to complain (not saying you did, but seen a lot of fights over that in various guilds) |
| 08:47.41 | Shadowed | it's pretty much shared between everyone though, the DKP system is designed to reward upgrading rather then point whoring so everyone is geared enough to tank most to anything |
| 08:48.09 | zenzelezz | sounds like a good enough system to me |
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| 08:48.47 | Shadowed | if you wanted to do only tanking i could see why though, usually hard to get into a guild as only a tank when they are that far along |
| 08:48.48 | zenzelezz | bit torn at the moment; love the guild I'm in, but it's not a raid guid... just a guild that raids |
| 08:48.57 | Shadowed | You like the people, but you want to see more |
| 08:49.17 | zenzelezz | oh, I'd be willing to respec if the guild needed it, but I just don't have much DPS gear to help in that regard :) |
| 08:49.30 | InterSlayer | heh once you've seen it all you start missing the pple ;p |
| 08:49.45 | zenzelezz | sounds quite likely |
| 08:49.49 | Shadowed | depends what you want really |
| 08:50.27 | Shadowed | if you know them well enough they shouldn't just stop talking to you because you decided to change guilds, which is what i ended up deciding a while ago |
| 08:50.48 | zenzelezz | another problem with this guild is there's been a bit of an exodus of old-timers lately... far from a majority, but many of the "core" players... so progress beyond where we're now isn't looking to come soon |
| 08:50.58 | AnduinLothar | yeah, but do you talk to you outside the guild? and when do you spend time together? |
| 08:51.17 | AnduinLothar | hard to maintain friends you never talk to |
| 08:51.21 | Shadowed | Sure, I talk to people outside my guild all the time, and from my old guild. |
| 08:51.35 | zenzelezz | at least I hang out with people in Ironforge/Stormwind when I'm not busy doing things, whether they're current or former guildies |
| 08:51.48 | Shadowed | Just because you raid doesn't mean you're spending all of your time raiding, i can still spend time screwing around or pvping with people |
| 08:52.12 | zenzelezz | well, if you never talk to them, they can't be that close friends anyhow |
| 08:52.13 | Shadowed | People who decide to stop talking to you because they don't like the fact that you applied/got into a guild thats farther along in progression aren't worth talking to |
| 08:54.07 | InterSlayer | Hardcore raiding right now feels so futile with the expansion looming =\ |
| 08:54.08 | zenzelezz | hm... I might just try and have another talk with this guild... they're still advertising a warrior spot after several weeks, so it can't hurt to try |
| 08:54.26 | Shadowed | In what way? |
| 08:54.39 | Shadowed | If you raid just to get loot you'll probably burn yourself out pretty quickly |
| 08:55.24 | InterSlayer | Eh, you raid either to get items, experience content or play with certain people |
| 08:55.33 | InterSlayer | and the items reason is the most enduring usually lol |
| 08:56.03 | Shadowed | i find it interesting to see how blizzard designed an encounter and work out the best way to beat it |
| 08:56.26 | zenzelezz | I love good loot, but I'm in it for the fun and the challenge |
| 08:56.40 | zenzelezz | doing things where you actually have to cooperate |
| 08:56.53 | InterSlayer | its fun and challenging until you beat it once, then its farm status and a chore after =\ |
| 08:57.21 | zenzelezz | not necessarily true, but I know what you mean |
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| 08:58.06 | Shadowed | first kill is usually the easiest :p |
| 08:58.23 | Shadowed | since you'll probably be pretty potioned up |
| 08:58.36 | InterSlayer | first kill is rewarding, then any failed attempt at that is just depressing lol |
| 08:58.50 | zenzelezz | after the first kill it's easy to get a "we know how to do it" attitude |
| 08:59.43 | zenzelezz | after a few more kills that's fair enough |
| 09:04.54 | Shadowed | Well, i've lost all faith in people |
| 09:05.02 | Shadowed | sulfuron hammer ( hand of rag ) with fiery enchant |
| 09:05.15 | zenzelezz | :-p |
| 09:05.31 | zenzelezz | +22 int! |
| 09:05.42 | Shadowed | thats almost as bad as the 15 STR on TF |
| 09:06.22 | zenzelezz | my mining pick has Fiery Weapon on it... but it doesn't show while mining :( |
| 09:06.46 | Shadowed | twink! |
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| 09:36.27 | Codayus | I knew a priest who had fiery on her will of arlokk for a while |
| 09:36.31 | Codayus | So sad. oO |
| 09:36.44 | Codayus | And a guildy has icy on a grey two handed sword. |
| 09:37.17 | Codayus | 15 str on TF may be the worst possible combination though. |
| 09:37.25 | Shadowed | Sulfuron Hammer costs around 5,000g+ to put together, and theres about 5-7 different weapons from either BWL, ZG, MC and AV that are better then it |
| 09:37.28 | Codayus | I mean...demonslaying or something...you assume that's a joke... |
| 09:37.31 | Shadowed | + it has no good stats |
| 09:37.46 | Shadowed | it has no value except to make hand of rag |
| 09:37.49 | Codayus | Shadowed: Well, one assumes he's using it as a joke while he waits for the last sulfuron ingot... |
| 09:37.56 | Codayus | And he already has the eye |
| 09:38.10 | Codayus | Anything else would be so retarded it'd make my *teeth* hurt. |
| 09:38.31 | Codayus | wait |
| 09:38.33 | Shadowed | you don't need the last ingot if you have the hammer |
| 09:38.39 | Codayus | The sulfuorn ingots are USED in the hammer |
| 09:38.42 | Shadowed | yep |
| 09:38.45 | Codayus | Right, sorry, half asleep. |
| 09:38.46 | Codayus | Okay... |
| 09:38.59 | Shadowed | You use *everything* to make sulfuron hammer, you use the eye of sulfuras on the hammer to make hand of rag |
| 09:39.12 | Codayus | LAst ditch explanation: He's slated for the next eye that drops for his guild, and...uh...they alreayd mady him the hammer...and uh... |
| 09:39.21 | Codayus | Okay, that's just retarded. |
| 09:39.28 | Codayus | There is no possible explanation. |
| 09:39.46 | Shadowed | exactly |
| 09:39.57 | Shadowed | there is no way to explain it except he's an idiot |
| 09:40.03 | Codayus | ...two words: Gold buyer. |
| 09:40.15 | Codayus | How else would someone that stupid get the mats? |
| 09:40.25 | Shadowed | He has full might |
| 09:40.29 | Codayus | .... |
| 09:40.39 | Shadowed | he's in one of those no-name mc guilds that you ever realised did MC |
| 09:40.46 | Codayus | Okay... |
| 09:40.50 | Codayus | He could be that stupid. |
| 09:41.23 | Codayus | Hmm...is he the guild leader? |
| 09:41.25 | Codayus | :-) |
| 09:41.33 | Shadowed | possibly, not sure |
| 09:41.40 | Codayus | It's explain a lot. |
| 09:41.40 | Shadowed | that'd explain it |
| 09:41.48 | Codayus | You heard of Avatar? |
| 09:42.10 | Shadowed | yepp |
| 09:42.50 | Codayus | I think using a sulfuron hammer is even worse than a hunter with Kalimdor's Revenge... :-) |
| 09:43.33 | Shadowed | I can understand a hunter having KR really |
| 09:43.39 | Codayus | .... |
| 09:43.39 | Shadowed | it's not really that good of a weapon |
| 09:43.42 | Codayus | Ah. |
| 09:43.49 | Codayus | True. |
| 09:43.59 | Shadowed | it's not bad, but really not worth the upgrade |
| 09:44.02 | Codayus | Depends a lot on how lucky your guild has been with asskandys though |
| 09:44.27 | Codayus | It's not a BAD weapon...hmm. |
| 09:44.38 | Codayus | *ponders what other weapons exist in its class* |
| 09:45.05 | Shadowed | Ashkandi, DEOI ( somepoint ), TUF, DTC |
| 09:45.16 | Shadowed | and you have to respec to fury for it to be useful and it's a proc that makes it useful |
| 09:45.24 | Codayus | Ya |
| 09:45.30 | Codayus | Not too enamored of proc weapons |
| 09:46.03 | Shadowed | I don't mind them that much, but it's just not impressive enough to worth it |
| 09:46.31 | Codayus | Two handed swords with more than 80 DPS...hmm. One Naxx weapon, Asskandy, and KR. |
| 09:46.45 | Shadowed | two |
| 09:46.51 | Shadowed | ah swords |
| 09:46.53 | Codayus | And KR is seriously light on AP... |
| 09:47.25 | Codayus | Axes...yeah, 1 naxx, 1 cthun. |
| 09:48.09 | Codayus | And then for maces, you get...sulfuras. Which is really quite weak. |
| 09:48.19 | Shadowed | might of menethiol |
| 09:48.22 | Shadowed | menethil |
| 09:48.24 | Codayus | Ah, yeah. |
| 09:48.29 | Codayus | Not on alla yet. :-) |
| 09:48.50 | Codayus | That's a pretty big jump for 2h maces though. Rag -> Kulthazad? |
| 09:49.34 | Codayus | There isn't ONE in BWL or AQ40... |
| 09:49.46 | Codayus | (Can you tell I'm really bored?) :-D |
| 09:49.47 | Shadowed | nobody likes maces anyway |
| 09:49.51 | Codayus | True |
| 09:50.00 | Codayus | Mace Spec sucks |
| 09:50.07 | Shadowed | Although, that kind of weapon you go 2h fury so spec doesn't matter |
| 09:50.10 | Shadowed | s/spec/weapon spec/ |
| 09:50.31 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 09:50.34 | Codayus | Or give to a pally |
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| 09:51.01 | Codayus | My guild has pretty much tagged Sulfuras as a "pally weapon" I think. :-) |
| 09:51.30 | Shadowed | most guilds have |
| 09:51.45 | Shadowed | as long as you're making steady progress you'll have access to ashkandi pretty quickly |
| 09:51.59 | Shadowed | so just not the 5kg + mat cost |
| 09:52.09 | Shadowed | s/kg +/kg+/ |
| 09:52.18 | gnorlish | wtt lokamir for SotSF |
| 09:52.21 | Codayus | Heh, we're scrubs. :-) Had our first night of wipes to razorgore last wed... Got down to 6 eggs left. :-) |
| 09:52.41 | Codayus | Even so, none of the warriors are really interested. |
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| 10:12.00 | Mikk | Razorgore is easy if you keep the warriors shielded |
| 10:12.05 | Mikk | And they know how to run |
| 10:12.33 | Mikk | Also the healers need to learn to look around them and see what's happening, and not instinctively doing heal at every bar that's not full |
| 10:12.37 | Mikk | If they do that, they die |
| 10:13.29 | Codayus | Mikk: So I found |
| 10:14.02 | Codayus | :-) |
| 10:14.06 | Codayus | <-- Healer |
| 10:14.16 | Mikk | And if they DO get aggro and can't shake it, shield + run until a warrior can pick the mob off you |
| 10:14.30 | Mikk | Minor speed enchant @ boots helps btw =) |
| 10:14.42 | Codayus | Yeah...on our last try, I actually was kiting pretty well for a couple minutes. :-) |
| 10:15.08 | Mikk | Mostly, the DPS should be able to do without healing. |
| 10:15.10 | Codayus | An unfamiliar experience. :-) |
| 10:15.15 | Mikk | Just bandage up |
| 10:15.41 | Mikk | I mean... any sane DPSer can solo the mage mobs for god's sake :-P |
| 10:15.43 | Codayus | Our issues seemed to be loose mobs nailing healers and then everyone else...not sure if it was overenthusiastic healers, or poor kiters, or what. |
| 10:15.55 | Mikk | Both in my experience |
| 10:16.05 | Codayus | Oh, also having newbie tanks having to have the pet bar be explained to them. >< |
| 10:16.08 | Mikk | Warriors need to do lots of battleshouting and blood raging |
| 10:16.15 | Mikk | It builds aggro on all mobs targetting them |
| 10:16.23 | Codayus | That was good for a while all on its own. |
| 10:16.26 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 10:17.35 | Codayus | We're having another go this Wed. I'd give us...hmm. Even odds of getting him down. |
| 10:18.50 | Mikk | The tactics we use: http://souleh.servebeer.com/axiom/mc/viewtopic.php?t=77 |
| 10:19.22 | Mikk | What that diagram doesn't show is that all tanks can't use that path. Half need to run the opposite path so that all corners are covered. |
| 10:19.25 | Mikk | Otherwise healers get pwnd |
| 10:19.29 | zenzelezz | my guild tried Razorgore a few weeks ago... got it down to three eggs once |
| 10:19.44 | zenzelezz | biggest problem seemed to be the mages running off before we could pick them up/own them |
| 10:19.54 | Mikk | that's bad |
| 10:19.59 | Mikk | mages need to die veeeeery fast |
| 10:20.03 | zenzelezz | quite |
| 10:20.14 | Mikk | you just have to go at it PvP style |
| 10:20.18 | Mikk | don't wait for aggro building or whatnot |
| 10:20.19 | zenzelezz | but the leaders insisted on standing (in my opinion) too far away to be able to pick up the mages |
| 10:20.24 | Mikk | just go all-out on them as soon as you see one |
| 10:20.37 | Mikk | two groups in each corner, glued to the corner |
| 10:20.41 | Mikk | mage pop -> mage diess |
| 10:20.59 | Mikk | Oh.. one other thing that I'm paying way too little attention to is hunters. |
| 10:21.06 | Mikk | Hunters own at running around with the dragons |
| 10:21.15 | Mikk | Much better than warriors |
| 10:21.26 | zenzelezz | runspeed aspect? |
| 10:21.29 | Mikk | yes |
| 10:21.47 | Mikk | Of course, when the first tank releases the orb, he'll get a bunch of dragons trailing him, but that's fine |
| 10:22.08 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 10:22.15 | Codayus | I *think* our hunters may be a weak spot. |
| 10:22.30 | Codayus | But frankly, it's hard to tell in the mess of a raid learning the encounter. :-) |
| 10:22.40 | Mikk | Look at what mobs you're being pwnd by |
| 10:22.45 | Mikk | If you're getting pwnd by dragons... it's hunters |
| 10:22.46 | Codayus | Dragons, mostly. |
| 10:22.48 | Mikk | If it's melee orcs, it's warriors |
| 10:22.53 | Mikk | If it's mages, it's the DPSers |
| 10:23.05 | Codayus | And occasionally melee orcs. :-) Never mages, so THATS good. |
| 10:23.10 | zenzelezz | I think our main problem actually was having 5 people with strong (slightly differing) opinions on how to do it, 20 people doing what they were told, and 15 or so leechers that are used to just mashing buttons |
| 10:23.16 | Mikk | If you're getting pwnd by a metric load of mobs, it's because tanks are dying. That's bad :-P |
| 10:23.35 | Codayus | I never see a mage where I hang out until a wipe is well in progress. |
| 10:23.38 | Mikk | If any training tank dies, you wipe. |
| 10:23.49 | Codayus | The training tanks survive longer than I do. :-) |
| 10:24.03 | Codayus | Well, except when they get confused and run the wrong direction or something, but hey.... :-D |
| 10:24.29 | zenzelezz | the mages that spawned in the "middle" alcove in my corner seemed to aggro something in the group besides ours as soon as they spawned |
| 10:24.36 | Codayus | Or, in one amusing case, got confused, and a little turned around...and released Razorgore when he was on top of the ORB... |
| 10:24.46 | Mikk | zenzelezz: healing will do that |
| 10:25.04 | Mikk | of course, they have initial aggro on razorgore so that's where they'll run first |
| 10:25.04 | Codayus | That kiting attempt made it all of about 3 inches. |
| 10:48.42 | Corrodias | so i have this idea where i write a program to download info pages about each item from allakhazam and parse them to make a database of median prices for my use. it's going to take a lot of string processing, if i can even figure out a good way to do it, especially with the "of..." items |
| 10:50.01 | Corrodias | and then i think, "but what about when new items are introduced" |
| 10:50.54 | Corrodias | and then i get distracted by TV. |
| 10:51.51 | Corrodias | is there ANY legal way to make a WoW addon communicate with anything outside of the game itself, such as files, other programs, or... anything else |
| 10:52.25 | ckknight | hrm |
| 10:52.26 | ckknight | possible |
| 10:52.36 | ckknight | you'd need to ReloadUI() every so often, though |
| 10:52.43 | Corrodias | its savedvariables, yes, hmm |
| 10:52.44 | ckknight | then have the outside program read the SVs |
| 10:52.55 | Corrodias | what about the blizzard database type files? |
| 10:53.08 | ckknight | aside from that, popping up a textbox and copy-pasting |
| 10:53.22 | Mikk | Corrodias: you can't touch those |
| 10:53.27 | Corrodias | 'k |
| 10:54.39 | Corrodias | to avoid alt+tabbing... you could possibly have a program monitor for clipboard activity of a certain format (lookup: [itemname]), search for and examine the relevant item on a web site database, and then use a text-to-speech engine to read the median price result |
| 10:55.23 | Corrodias | or it could just put the item price into the clipboard and ding |
| 10:58.18 | chuckg_ | http://files.filefront.com/Warlock_terrorism/;3900342;;/fileinfo.html |
| 10:58.22 | chuckg_ | Worth the watch. |
| 10:58.38 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Action_Bar whee |
| 11:00.44 | Mikk | ehm oops missing entries it seems... |
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| 11:08.26 | Corrodias | looks like i might be able to write such a utility in java |
| 11:08.36 | Corrodias | which is good, because java is the only language with which i am currently familiar enough to have a chance at it |
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| 11:42.30 | Industrial | self:addName(UnitName('player'), UnitClass('player')) |
| 11:43.02 | Industrial | is there a quick way of getting only the second argument od UnitClass() else then _, class = UnitClass('player') etcetc ? |
| 11:43.10 | Industrial | other then* |
| 11:43.40 | Codayus | Industrial: Sure! |
| 11:43.46 | Codayus | But not in the version of lua wow uses... |
| 11:43.51 | Codayus | :-) |
| 11:43.53 | Industrial | :( |
| 11:44.16 | Industrial | I was thinking UnitClass('player')[2] but I dont know what other language I got that from |
| 11:44.16 | Industrial | :P |
| 11:45.19 | Codayus | The lua version is less elegant. |
| 11:45.36 | Codayus | select(2, UnitClass('player')) |
| 11:45.52 | Industrial | mmm |
| 11:46.12 | Industrial | I think it was Jscript :> |
| 11:46.37 | Codayus | Or...I think that was lua... |
| 11:46.42 | Codayus | Hmm. Either way, it's not in wow. |
| 11:47.47 | Industrial | k |
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| 12:01.05 | Corrodias | i need to sleep now :( |
| 12:01.26 | Corrodias | now that i've got the fire of programming in my heart, i don't want to quit so quickly, but alas, i can't stay awake now |
| 12:02.08 | Corrodias | i got all the trivial stuff finished... now it needs to download the relevant pages for the item given and parse them for info. |
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| 12:56.30 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 13:02.21 | JoshBorke | ok bye all :-) |
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| 13:03.48 | Tuplad | oO |
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| 14:17.18 | cogwheel | To paraphrase Dwarf males: "Ahhhh Tuesdays... Yes, Tuesdays..." |
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| 14:21.07 | Telrik | hi ppl |
| 14:22.04 | Telrik | can anyone help me to determine what font mod used on this screenshot? http://bbs.16t.cn/bbs/uploads/post1154535634/post-3166-1154538873.jpg |
| 14:24.33 | cogwheel | It could be really any font *mod*... it's the font itself that you're probably curious about... I see that it's an asian version of the game. is it possible that's the default font over there? |
| 14:25.04 | cogwheel | If not, it would be pretty hard to just name the font :| |
| 14:30.35 | Telrik | well i was thinking it's some mod like clearfont =) or just asian normal font) |
| 14:32.06 | cogwheel | Clearfont could do that, but you'd still need to find the actual font file that was used. |
| 14:34.35 | Telrik | aha i see.. |
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| 14:38.55 | Tuplad | check his buffs |
| 14:38.56 | Tuplad | amazing |
| 14:39.38 | Tuplad | what are those numbers above his head ? |
| 14:41.02 | Elkano | hmm? |
| 14:42.59 | Telrik | also |
| 14:43.05 | Telrik | u see 13 mages in raid =) |
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| 14:55.43 | Tuplad | :o |
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| 15:08.36 | Kirkburn | Wheeeeeeeeee! I just set up dual monitors! |
| 15:08.51 | Cide | you'll never go back |
| 15:09.13 | Kirkburn | I have my widescreen laptop, and my 4:3 TFT (which has been unused for a year :/ |
| 15:09.32 | Kirkburn | This is awesomeness ... I can't believe I didn't think of doing it |
| 15:16.33 | Tain | I do like it, but I still like a single widescreen better for me. |
| 15:17.09 | Kirkburn | Why so? |
| 15:17.24 | Tain | Although actually I just realized that's slightly flawed since I work on two systems at once. So technically I do use 2 displays, but instead of having different things on each side I have them next to each other on different systems. |
| 15:17.41 | Kirkburn | I see |
| 15:18.02 | Tain | But dual displays is pretty awesome. :) |
| 15:18.12 | Kirkburn | I forsee one problem ... since I use a laptop, the keybaord will be out of place |
| 15:19.15 | Kirkburn | Anyone know good sites for widescreen wallpapers? :) |
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| 15:27.42 | Kirkburn | Seems that deviantArt v5 is being launched as I speak |
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| 15:28.33 | Smooth | Top-o-tha-mornin |
| 15:29.23 | Rallion | kirkburn, i hope it's better than whatever the hell the last deviatart was |
| 15:29.30 | Rallion | I like the content, but it was a pain in the ass |
| 15:29.43 | Kirkburn | Looks cool |
| 15:29.47 | Kirkburn | Nice intro vid :P |
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| 15:30.23 | Kirkburn | Some small bugs in IE7 though :( |
| 15:30.48 | Rallion | lol the video's a little dramatic |
| 15:31.10 | Smooth | I got a question guys, this is gonna be really dumb sounding probably. You know how you can CastSpell() using some kind of spell ID instead of CastSpellByName ? How can I get that spell ID? I immagine I have to scan the spell book but I can't seem to find a function that obviously does that. |
| 15:31.36 | cogwheel | Are you doing this in an addon or just for your personal use? |
| 15:31.37 | Kirkburn | It does look a hell of a lot better - and it's got a 'search' button, finally :) |
| 15:31.55 | Smooth | cogwheel: addon, so it needs to be dynamic |
| 15:32.08 | Rallion | i'm having some issues in FF, too |
| 15:32.13 | Smooth | I guess I need to hook some kind of event when the spell book changes to refresh it, right? |
| 15:32.41 | Smooth | Seems kinda silly they dont have a GetSpellIDByName() function |
| 15:32.49 | cogwheel | You'll have to use a combination of functions here http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Spell_Functions to go through the spell book |
| 15:33.18 | cogwheel | especially GetNumSpellTabs, GetSpellTabInfo, etc. |
| 15:33.19 | Gello | function GetSpellIDByName(name) local id,n,found=1,1 while n do n=GetSpellName(id,"spell") if n==name then found=id end id=id+1 end return found end |
| 15:33.50 | cogwheel | yeah that works :) |
| 15:34.02 | Smooth | now that brute force to the max :) |
| 15:34.11 | Kirkburn | How does one set wallpapers independently for each monitor? |
| 15:34.27 | Rallion | the nav menu doesn't work properly in FF. |
| 15:34.39 | cogwheel | you need either an addon (lol... err... program) or you'll need to edit two images together |
| 15:34.48 | Smooth | Gello, is there a way to either get the max spell id or determine if you have gone too far(im thinking about people who may not have trained the spell I need) |
| 15:34.50 | Gello | well you can set it up in a table to lookup, but you're not going to lookup that often. in this case it's fine to do a loop |
| 15:35.02 | Gello | that function returns the highest rank of the spell |
| 15:35.29 | Kirkburn | Rallion, hopefully it's just teething troubles - it's been in beta for aaages |
| 15:35.44 | Kirkburn | cogwheel - know any names? :) |
| 15:35.59 | Kirkburn | The two screens are different resolutions, unfortunately |
| 15:35.59 | cogwheel | It's been a while... sorry :( |
| 15:36.16 | Kirkburn | S'okay :P |
| 15:38.29 | Kirkburn | I have it pseudo-working :P |
| 15:39.14 | Smooth | in windows you need to have 1 giant background if you are doing dualview or span |
| 15:40.13 | Smooth | id just goto photoshop and do height: max(monitor1,monitor2) width: monitor1+monitor2 |
| 15:40.34 | Smooth | color it all black or something, then paste in the backgrounds you want and line them up side by side |
| 15:40.54 | Smooth | I also believe that if the resolutions are different, the gap will be at the bottom |
| 15:41.07 | Kirkburn | It is so |
| 15:41.28 | Hexarobi | buy a mac |
| 15:41.35 | Smooth | Honestly, once I went dual monitors |
| 15:41.40 | Smooth | I can't go back :( |
| 15:41.48 | Smooth | Its just too good |
| 15:41.53 | Hexarobi | once i go without a job |
| 15:41.58 | Smooth | lol |
| 15:42.01 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 15:42.33 | Smooth | Why are WoW forums so bad ? |
| 15:42.35 | Smooth | =\ |
| 15:45.20 | Hexarobi | can i use TexCoords or something to show different parts of one big texture file? |
| 15:45.32 | Gello | yeah it's what TexCoords are for |
| 15:45.56 | Gello | i wish i thought of the head in hands guy on that post about finding out what loot baron would drop before you kill him |
| 15:47.52 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, it's why the UK gov needs to provide such information as "drink water" or "stay out of the sun" during a heatwave |
| 15:47.52 | Kirkburn | Thinking doesn't come naturally to everyone :P |
| 15:47.57 | cogwheel | :) |
| 15:48.24 | Smooth | I need to flame several people on my realm forums, I DEMAND SERVICE! |
| 15:52.07 | Rallion | I wonder if the changes I just made to my addon are going to work. I have to wait WAY too long to find out. |
| 15:54.44 | Smooth | :( |
| 15:55.07 | Smooth | Just run em by me, Im like a wow lua parser |
| 15:55.10 | Gello | test server is up. can try mods there |
| 15:55.10 | cogwheel | I wonder if the korean version has a different maintenance schedule.... |
| 15:55.15 | Smooth | Syntax error on line 1!! |
| 15:56.50 | Smooth | If I use GetSpellCooldown, will that return that a spell is cooling down if I am silenced, stunned, or otherwise unable to cast that spell? |
| 15:57.15 | cogwheel | I don't think so |
| 15:57.33 | Gello | it returns the spell's cooldown irregardless if you can cast it or not |
| 15:58.03 | Smooth | Is there another way to determine if I can cast at that time? I would like not to run my algorithm if there is no point |
| 15:58.57 | Gello | well... not really. you can do IsUsableAction for more reliable method (but it won't detect silence or stuns), but otherwise you'd need to watch buffs/debuffs for fear and stuff |
| 15:59.05 | Hexarobi | or sitting |
| 15:59.13 | Gello | what does your algorithm do? |
| 15:59.20 | Gello | yeah sitting is tough to detect |
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| 16:00.24 | Gello | in the big picture, if your mod only does a function when you cast a spell, it can be veeeery involved before performance is a concern |
| 16:00.28 | Smooth | gets a list of everyone in the raid, sorts them by class, un selects my target, uses SpellCanTargetUnit to determine if they are in range then casts on the "best" target and returns to the previous target |
| 16:01.17 | Smooth | Seems kinda silly that CastSpell doesn't return some kinda error code(atleast its not documented in wowwiki) |
| 16:01.19 | Gello | i would just let it run and attempt a cast. it's like 0.0001 seconds to do that |
| 16:01.47 | Gello | well CastSpell is a request to server. it can't return anything because it doesn't know the outcome by the time it's returned |
| 16:04.15 | Hexarobi | we getting 1.12 today? |
| 16:04.22 | Smooth | I hope so |
| 16:04.33 | Smooth | Those new battleground queues are going to be so hot |
| 16:04.40 | Smooth | None of this 2+ hour av waits |
| 16:05.15 | Gello | not today |
| 16:05.20 | Gello | next week is my bet |
| 16:05.31 | Smooth | :( |
| 16:05.34 | Hexarobi | =( |
| 16:05.40 | Rallion | next week FEELS like the answer to me. |
| 16:05.44 | Rallion | truthy |
| 16:05.44 | Gello | i think queues are going to be longer on hyjal :( only like 5 servers that BG group, and each one has 60% alliance population |
| 16:05.50 | Hexarobi | thats more important than knowing the answer |
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| 16:06.06 | Smooth | im in bg 8 and theres like 12 servers |
| 16:06.12 | Smooth | So its going to be good |
| 16:06.17 | Gello | stephen colbert sang dead kennedys the other week. it was awesome lol |
| 16:06.26 | Rallion | lol missed that |
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| 16:06.34 | Hexarobi | haha me too |
| 16:06.45 | Gello | he sang "kill the poor" |
| 16:06.48 | Hexarobi | he made a return to venture bros this wee |
| 16:06.57 | Hexarobi | nice |
| 16:08.05 | Kirkburn | Hmm, wow guru has an interesting bit of news (http://www.wowguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14787) - it just appeared on my RSS feed :) |
| 16:08.40 | Hexarobi | way to make us click the link pat obrien |
| 16:08.41 | Smooth | lol thanks for that |
| 16:09.04 | Hexarobi | uh |
| 16:09.10 | Kirkburn | Methinks they should restrict that forum :P |
| 16:09.56 | Hexarobi | haha what a nice topic, Draenei possibly confirmed as Alliance race |
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| 16:10.47 | Kirkburn | Say wha? I thought it was furbies ... |
| 16:11.02 | Smooth | The new Alliance race does not have any factual basis so far, the only clear guesses we can make are the Pandaren, which would be very unlikely in our standing opinion. |
| 16:11.05 | Smooth | WG needs updates :( |
| 16:12.02 | DoomGaze3 | BTW, Any Bliz devs ever come in here? |
| 16:12.06 | Kirkburn | <-- confused. It does get updates ... |
| 16:12.14 | Kirkburn | Yeah, slouken, sometimes |
| 16:15.34 | Kirkburn | mornin' |
| 16:16.03 | Smooth | http://worldofwarcraft.com/community/chinaicoke.html so ya Im moving |
| 16:16.47 | Osagasu | Morning Cair |
| 16:18.13 | Rallion | Bethesda is pissing me off. |
| 16:18.13 | cogwheel | "iCoke"? what... do they have some joint venture with apple's manufacturing division or something? |
| 16:18.54 | Smooth | iDunno |
| 16:18.57 | Smooth | lol |
| 16:19.01 | cogwheel | :P |
| 16:19.27 | Smooth | the whole iThisOrThat thing is pretty lame, they need to stop that |
| 16:19.59 | Smooth | Kinda like MyBecauseMyMakesItSoundPersonal.com names are dumb |
| 16:20.13 | Hexarobi | mornin cair |
| 16:20.46 | Rallion | so Bethesda is supposed to be working on Fallout 3, but they just announced another Star Trek game |
| 16:21.01 | cogwheel | :( I just started installing the PTR patches. I got through all but the last one which won't download. |
| 16:21.06 | Hexarobi | people become comfortable with certain naming schemes, marketing types want to re-use those schemes because they think it will make others feel more comfortable with the product |
| 16:21.38 | cogwheel | Read: The marketing departments are too lazy/incompetent to come up with something new and better. |
| 16:22.06 | Smooth | Hmm, is this before or after the release of WorldOfStarcraft! |
| 16:22.14 | Hexarobi | well its easier to make a seethru blue iron and call it the iRon than think of a fresh way to actually market irons |
| 16:22.30 | Smooth | Lol iRon, I could see it |
| 16:22.42 | cogwheel | wouldn't it be iIron? |
| 16:23.02 | Smooth | Those iRons, they really FLATTEN the competition! <- marketing genious, I know |
| 16:23.08 | cogwheel | iRon would be Ronco's attempt at a computer... |
| 16:25.36 | Hexarobi | http://www.theapplecollection.com/iMac/iStore/iron.html |
| 16:26.25 | Hexarobi | you could combine the trendy e (eMail, eBay) and the i and make an iRonE |
| 16:27.09 | Hexarobi | that first one actually pre-dates the iMac by 5 years ;) |
| 16:28.51 | Smooth | my-e-iRon is an integerated solution designed to streamline all of your fabric flattening needs. This product comes with a robust and secure framework to improve productivity and enhance work flow. |
| 16:28.58 | Smooth | Man now that is something I need |
| 16:29.39 | Hexarobi | i like iRonE cuz its ironic |
| 16:29.51 | Hexarobi | kafkaesque |
| 16:30.16 | Smooth | lol indeed |
| 16:30.36 | Rallion | kafkaesque is such a good word |
| 16:34.49 | Smooth | You guys hear about the guy that ninjaed the AQ gate somehow on Ysera? |
| 16:35.32 | Rallion | lol no |
| 16:36.02 | Smooth | Some guy transfered there and he had the staff to open the gate, so while some top guild was working on the epic event he just went in and opened it lol |
| 16:36.11 | Smooth | Managing to piss everyone on the server off |
| 16:36.29 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 16:37.06 | Cairenn | that's just mean |
| 16:37.59 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 16:40.44 | Kaso | transfers are terrible :< |
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| 16:43.28 | Hexarobi | that could be a good scene in a comic book |
| 16:43.58 | Tuplad | haha |
| 16:43.59 | Tuplad | nice one |
| 16:44.07 | Tuplad | give url to whine thread |
| 16:44.35 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.aspx?ForumName=wow-realm-ysera |
| 16:44.39 | Tuplad | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.aspx?fn=wow-realm-ysera |
| 16:44.42 | Tuplad | yeh found it :p |
| 16:44.57 | Smooth | Wow ysera's progression thread is really really bad |
| 16:45.24 | Smooth | I can't even tell whats going on |
| 16:45.46 | Kirkburn | I see deviantArt have coded the new version by totally ignoring IE :/ Rather stupid, imhp |
| 16:46.05 | Smooth | Ah web development =\ |
| 16:46.43 | Kirkburn | Indeed ... it's absolutely totally borked in IE7 - I'll check again later to see if they've sorted it at all |
| 16:47.06 | Rallion | uhmm...what DOES it work in, then? |
| 16:47.12 | Kirkburn | FF, at least |
| 16:47.12 | Smooth | FF probably |
| 16:47.22 | Kirkburn | (it seems to work now) |
| 16:47.30 | Kirkburn | (in FF) |
| 16:48.00 | Kirkburn | I know they could have designed it to work in IE, since I just made a very similar design ... |
| 16:48.11 | Hexarobi | hahaha |
| 16:48.12 | Hexarobi | " why are you all being emo about it |
| 16:48.12 | Hexarobi | he had the quest finished, he wanted to open the gates, why wait? |
| 16:48.20 | Smooth | lol |
| 16:48.29 | Cairenn | *snicker* |
| 16:48.31 | Hexarobi | that server is so emo |
| 16:48.32 | Kirkburn | heh, eeeevil |
| 16:49.19 | Smooth | Those people need to spend 5 minutes on my server. Our gates were opened at like 2am in secrecy by some guild who wanted to steal all the rep |
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| 16:51.19 | Hexarobi | get my homework yet tem? |
| 16:51.32 | Tem_ | lolz |
| 16:51.34 | Hexarobi | =) |
| 16:51.58 | Hexarobi | man i might really have to take this class over again, it sucks =( |
| 16:52.09 | Smooth | Calculus? |
| 16:52.18 | Hexarobi | computer organization |
| 16:52.36 | Smooth | Ah computer org, I kinda liked that one |
| 16:52.36 | Hexarobi | its not that hard to understand, but the teacher gave us a really hard project and no explaination |
| 16:53.04 | Smooth | Oh really, what did you guys have to do? Ours was pretty simple, just write some graphics based program in ASM |
| 16:53.17 | Hexarobi | we have to write a calculator in mips, accepting a string as input, parsing it, respencting order of operations including paranthesis |
| 16:53.42 | Hexarobi | then convert every instruction used in the program into its own opcode and impliment it in VHDL |
| 16:53.43 | Smooth | Your string is like 2+3*5/6 ? |
| 16:53.48 | Hexarobi | ya |
| 16:53.58 | Rallion | lol I had a class where the final project was like this: We set up a nameserver. Write a P2P program, with searching, that uses the FTP protocol and that nameserver. It has to work with everybody else's. |
| 16:54.09 | Smooth | hex, can you use RPN ? |
| 16:54.13 | Smooth | Reverse Polish Notation |
| 16:54.14 | Rallion | Note that we had learned NOTHING about networking. |
| 16:54.15 | Hexarobi | yes |
| 16:54.33 | Smooth | Well considering RPN eliminates the need for order of operations |
| 16:54.34 | Smooth | do that |
| 16:54.35 | Smooth | and you win |
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| 16:56.03 | Hexarobi | how do i parse the string into rpn opcodes? |
| 16:56.07 | Cairenn | morning Iriel |
| 16:56.19 | Smooth | run an infinite loop, read characters, if a character is a number append it to a buffer, if its not a number take the buffer and conver it to numeric and push it on a stack |
| 16:56.28 | Cairenn | Iriel: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5707 when you have time |
| 16:56.30 | Iriel | Morning, is 1.12 going live today? |
| 16:56.40 | Smooth | if the character is not a number, process it using a jump list(switch case) |
| 16:56.48 | cogwheel | No patch downloader yet if it is... |
| 16:57.06 | Cairenn | no it isn't |
| 16:57.07 | Smooth | if its "+" pop 2 numbers from the stack, add them, push them on the stack again |
| 16:57.09 | Smooth | etc.. |
| 16:57.09 | Cairenn | servers are up already |
| 16:57.12 | Kirkburn | No patch |
| 16:57.26 | Kirkburn | <-- too slow :( |
| 16:57.44 | Kirkburn | There's still more PTR versions to come |
| 16:58.30 | Iriel | Cairenn : It was updated for 1.11! |
| 16:58.49 | Iriel | Good (to the lack of patch) |
| 16:58.50 | Cairenn | Iriel: I know it was, note my comment "what's broken about it?" ? |
| 16:58.54 | Kirkburn | Well, he doesn't think so :P |
| 16:59.11 | Iriel | Hopefully i'll be through my technical issues by the time it does go live |
| 17:00.18 | Smooth | Hexarobi: Whats VHDL? |
| 17:00.24 | cogwheel | does anyone know where i can find the latest PTR patch? I was able to download the other three just fine, but i can't get the last one... |
| 17:01.08 | Hexarobi | hardware description language |
| 17:01.32 | Hexarobi | its like drawing logic circuits, but with words |
| 17:01.39 | Smooth | Ah |
| 17:01.50 | Smooth | If you know the operations, e.g. |
| 17:01.52 | Hexarobi | so instead of having to draw the 7 logic gates or whatever to make an adder, you can type + |
| 17:02.04 | Smooth | MOV eax, 2 ADD eax, 2 <- 2+2 |
| 17:02.13 | Smooth | how hard is it going to be to do the VHDL ? |
| 17:02.14 | Hexarobi | no |
| 17:02.18 | Hexarobi | more like |
| 17:03.05 | Hexarobi | if (IR[25-30]='0000') then |
| 17:03.13 | Hexarobi | Z<=A+B |
| 17:03.22 | Hexarobi | elseif IR[25-30]=' |
| 17:03.29 | Hexarobi | 0001, Z<=A-B |
| 17:03.34 | Hexarobi | thats like code for an ALY |
| 17:03.36 | Hexarobi | ALU |
| 17:03.54 | Hexarobi | that takes a control input and 2 operator inputs and gives an output |
| 17:04.06 | Smooth | Hmm, will the output for this calculator be static numbers? like if you say 2 3 + |
| 17:04.16 | Smooth | will it just use the constants 2 and 3 in the VHDL? |
| 17:05.19 | Hexarobi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.32 | Smooth | Might be kinda tricky then, I was thinking it would just be printing each operation as it went |
| 17:06.59 | Smooth | like 2 3 + 5 - would print the operation to add 2 and 3 then the operation to subtract 5 from 5 |
| 17:07.36 | Hexarobi | there is an instruction register that contains the opcode, constant value |
| 17:07.46 | Hexarobi | the opcode is like the first 5 bits |
| 17:07.52 | Hexarobi | and the next 11 are the value |
| 17:08.02 | Hexarobi | its an accumulator based calculator |
| 17:08.22 | Smooth | Ah ok, so you just need to convert the operation into opcodes more or less? |
| 17:08.27 | Smooth | then its downhill |
| 17:08.55 | Hexarobi | so if the opcode is say 11000, thats an ADD, and then it looks up the accumulator value in its register, and uses that as one of the inputs to the ALU, and the constant value as the other |
| 17:09.04 | Hexarobi | and the opcode 5 bits as the ALU control input |
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| 17:10.04 | Smooth | I see, well it seems pretty straight forward to parse the RPN, you will need to use a stack (probably just an array of DWORDS and an end pointer) |
| 17:11.13 | Smooth | Would your teacher count off for using a fixed sized array that would limit the size of the equation being inputted? |
| 17:11.28 | Hexarobi | i dont have any memory structure |
| 17:11.34 | Hexarobi | so no stack |
| 17:11.50 | Hexarobi | just 4 registers |
| 17:11.58 | Hexarobi | and one of those is the accumulator |
| 17:12.23 | Smooth | Hm well that is gonna be tricky then, you can't do real RPN with that |
| 17:13.31 | Smooth | Even with regular math syntax 2 + 3 * 5 |
| 17:13.47 | Smooth | you will need to store stuff in order to determine order of operations |
| 17:14.08 | Hexarobi | i think i just have to hardcode the opcodes |
| 17:14.15 | Hexarobi | i thin k i just had a eureka moment hold on |
| 17:14.46 | Smooth | Lol, well thats good. Im gonna take lunch ill bb in a sec |
| 17:15.00 | cogwheel | lol. My wife just text messaged me at work saying "Yay! Shadowsong's already up. I didn't get only 6 hours of sleep for no reason!" |
| 17:16.00 | Rallion | that's awesome |
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| 17:27.03 | cogwheel | Can i just write <Anchor point="BOTTOM" relativePoint="TOP" relativeTo="BuyEmAllCancelButton"/> if i'm not using any offset? |
| 17:27.19 | Kirov | Yes |
| 17:29.01 | Rallion | well, not onion rings. bloomin onion, actually. |
| 17:29.06 | Rallion | but it's the same thing |
| 17:29.16 | Kirkburn | It's got flowers?? |
| 17:29.47 | Rallion | it's an onion that's...uh, well it's cut by a grid, so you get a ton of columns, then the whole thing is fried |
| 17:29.57 | Rallion | so it looks like a big flower of friedness |
| 17:30.15 | Kirkburn | ooh |
| 17:30.27 | Kirkburn | sorry, I meant, eww |
| 17:30.45 | Rallion | http://www.kitchenlink.com/ch/2002/december/topsecretrestaurantrecipes2.html |
| 17:32.35 | Rallion | i don't even really like onions on their own like that, but the girlfriend wanted one and didn't want to take home the half we couldn't eat, so I did |
| 17:32.58 | Rallion | and it's here, so you better believe I'm gonna eat it. |
| 17:33.58 | Smooth | All I know is chicken crispers @ chili's w/ awesome blossom batter(==bloomin onion) is the best |
| 17:34.25 | Rallion | mmmm |
| 17:34.43 | Rallion | there was a Chili's across the street |
| 17:34.52 | Rallion | but I'd never been to Outback, so there we went. |
| 17:35.23 | Smooth | Im not really a fan of outback, if Im in that kinda mood I usally go for Saltgrass |
| 17:35.52 | Smooth | which may or may not be a texas thing, i dunno |
| 17:36.35 | Rallion | i've never heard of it, but New York is really far from Texas |
| 17:37.02 | Cairenn | do me a favour, the bunch of ya? hush about food! /starving now |
| 17:37.07 | Rallion | eat. |
| 17:37.09 | Rallion | do it. |
| 17:37.39 | cogwheel | #wowi-lounge-food |
| 17:37.44 | Smooth | lol |
| 17:37.55 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:38.14 | Smooth | If only I could login to the forums, Id be starting the ole "Call your lunch" thread |
| 17:41.33 | Cairenn | US forums? should be able to, I am logged in |
| 17:41.36 | cogwheel | can you use relativeTo="Blah" before you've defined "Blah"? |
| 17:41.43 | Kirov | No |
| 17:41.43 | Kirkburn | Testing testing |
| 17:42.03 | Kirkburn | Yay for proper keyboards :) |
| 17:42.12 | Kirkburn | None of that crappy laptop rubbish :P |
| 17:42.22 | Smooth | I used to have a laptop |
| 17:42.30 | Smooth | Never used it, they just seem so slow |
| 17:42.34 | Smooth | no matter how modern they are |
| 17:42.42 | Kirkburn | (I still do, but I'm using my 'old' PC's keyboard with it) |
| 17:42.56 | Iriel | Some laptops have good keyboards, at least I like the IBM Thinkpad ones |
| 17:43.08 | Kirkburn | My laptop continues to impress me :) |
| 17:43.09 | Iriel | Not as much as a 'real' keyboard but definitely nothing to complain about |
| 17:43.20 | Kirkburn | I just don't like the way it's so cramped |
| 17:43.22 | Thrae | What's wrong with laptop keyboards? |
| 17:43.42 | Thrae | Ahh, I like my Dell 600m, too bad they don't make it anymore. Not sure which Dell laptop took its chassis design. |
| 17:43.55 | Kirkburn | I've got a 9300 - silver and black |
| 17:44.01 | Kirkburn | and white |
| 17:44.12 | Kirkburn | brb |
| 17:44.17 | Thrae | Dell 9300? Sounds like one of the BIG models. |
| 17:49.28 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Names |
| 17:50.13 | Mikk | And yeah you do kind of need big laptops to get big keyboards |
| 17:50.23 | Mikk | I have an old Inspiron 8000. regular sized keys. |
| 17:50.41 | Mikk | P3-1Ghz. Whee :-) |
| 17:51.05 | Mikk | P3M i should say. |
| 17:51.52 | Kirkburn | The 9300 is a 17 incher, yeah :P |
| 17:52.13 | Thrae | Kirkburn: No, I mean how heavy is it? |
| 17:52.23 | Thrae | 600m is ~5lbs, pretty light for 15" |
| 17:52.34 | Kirkburn | I daren't weigh it - just about portable |
| 17:52.41 | Thrae | Mikk: P3 Mobile is basically P-M ;) |
| 17:52.47 | Kirkburn | Probably something like 15 |
| 17:52.57 | Kirkburn | Maybe slightly less |
| 17:53.06 | Mikk | Thrae: "P-M"? |
| 17:53.32 | Kirkburn | I want a Core 2 Duo ;) |
| 17:53.46 | Mikk | I mean.. I know what those nifty israeli researchers did to the Pentium 3 when they made it "Mobile" and how the line carried on |
| 17:54.06 | Mikk | And how you need a bloody P4-2GHz to measure up to the speed of a P3-M 1GHz :-P |
| 17:54.07 | Shadowed | Mikk: ? |
| 17:54.14 | Kirkburn | It's amazing the difference in colour reproduction between monitors |
| 17:54.29 | Mikk | Shadowed: Wasn't it you who wanted a list of event names? |
| 17:54.42 | Shadowed | yeah, looks good. thanks |
| 17:54.49 | Thrae | Yeah, Pentium-M is just a Pentium 3 with a few gates removed and better throttling. Pentium 4-M is a Pentium 4 with a LOT of gates removed and better throttling added. |
| 17:55.26 | Mikk | o.O |
| 17:55.38 | Kirov | Pentium 4-M is a Pentium 3-M with a couple things added |
| 17:55.39 | Thrae | I haven't taken a deep look at the Core architecture, but I bet it's based off P3, not P4. |
| 17:55.59 | Kirov | Thrae - it's based off the Pentium M |
| 17:56.12 | Thrae | Right, which is a sidestep from the P3 |
| 17:56.16 | Kirov | Pentium 3-M was already a mix of Pentium 3 and 4 |
| 17:56.50 | Kirov | 4-M just added a couple extra stuff (mainly reduced die size). |
| 17:57.06 | Thrae | Kirov: When I think of the name "Pentium 4", I think of the hacks they did to let the clock run so fast. |
| 17:57.13 | Kirov | Pentium 4 is the only reason AMD got as far as they did. |
| 17:57.39 | Kirov | Pentium 4 was designed from the ground up to have the highest possible clock speed, and not much else. |
| 17:57.41 | Kirkburn | However, I think we can all agree - the Core 2 Duo roxx :P |
| 17:57.45 | Kirov | Yes |
| 17:58.05 | Mikk | Heh. I can make a CPU with way high clock speed. |
| 17:58.20 | Mikk | Just add a gate that lets every fourth pulse in to the actual core |
| 17:58.21 | Mikk | :-P |
| 17:58.26 | Thrae | Yeah, Intel probably saw their faults when people started putting Pentium-Ms in boards designed for DESKTOPS :D |
| 17:58.51 | Kirkburn | Yeah, crazy eh |
| 17:59.03 | Kirov | Pentium-M was basically a designed by a throw away R&D team too. |
| 17:59.12 | Mikk | Aye. Too bad it rocked so hard :-P |
| 17:59.45 | Kirov | (throw away in the sense that Intel just left them alone) |
| 17:59.53 | Thrae | Kirov: Same with Pentium 4-M? It seemed Intel pushed Pentium 4-M much, much harder then Pentium-M. |
| 18:00.17 | Kirov | Thrae - Pentium 4-M was more marketing than trueth |
| 18:00.18 | Kirkburn | Let's see what Logitech SetPoint is like nowadays ... |
| 18:00.28 | Kirov | Pentium 4-M is really just Pentium M2 |
| 18:01.01 | Thrae | I always thought Pentium 4-M was a Pentium-M with P4-like hacks to increase its clock speed, hence lowering battery life unless throttled back. |
| 18:01.06 | Kirov | I'm not sure which team designed it, but it really doesn't share much in common with the Pentium 4 beyond what the original M did. |
| 18:01.36 | Thrae | Since the Pentium 4-M spotted high clock speeds like the P4. |
| 18:01.50 | Kirov | It's possible |
| 18:01.53 | Iriel | vendor_id : GenuineIntel |
| 18:01.56 | Iriel | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1700MHz |
| 18:01.59 | Iriel | Happy laptop |
| 18:02.04 | Kirov | Iriel - hehe |
| 18:02.11 | Thrae | Core 2 Duo is happier, much happier ;) |
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| 18:02.35 | Kirov | Core 2 Duo laptops make my desktop cower |
| 18:02.47 | JoshBorke | hi |
| 18:02.50 | Kirov | but then, so did my Pentium M 1.5ghz when I got it |
| 18:02.52 | Thrae | What was the name of that Pentium-M Notebook controller...NPC? |
| 18:02.55 | Gryphen | heya |
| 18:02.59 | Kirov | roughtly 3-4 times faster than my desktop at the time. |
| 18:03.01 | Kirkburn | Iriel, how is your 1700, when mine's 1.73 ... |
| 18:03.19 | Kirkburn | Oh, no wait ... mine's 795 |
| 18:03.26 | Smooth | I think im going to get a core duo |
| 18:03.49 | Smooth | I hope it beats my AMD XP 1.5ghz lol |
| 18:03.58 | Kirkburn | Core 2 duo - that's a dual two-core processor, no? |
| 18:04.18 | Smooth | I believe so |
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| 18:04.30 | Kirkburn | It's a slightly confusing naming scheme, but I suppose there's not much they could change |
| 18:04.33 | Kirov | Kirkburn - you have P4M, Iriel has a P3M |
| 18:04.44 | Kirkburn | Kirov, yeah, that makes sense |
| 18:04.48 | Mikma | Cairenn: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/latest.php? -> the link for Mobhealth3 Blizzard Frames is messed |
| 18:05.03 | Kirov | They changed the naming to be based on the processor number vs. clock speed. |
| 18:05.13 | Thrae | Iriel: http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm <-- makes an even happier Pentium M, and it's free! |
| 18:05.31 | Thrae | My battery life increased by at least 1 hour after fooling around with that app. |
| 18:05.48 | Kirkburn | I always run my lappy on AC anyway ... |
| 18:06.12 | Kirkburn | ThraeL "make your Notebook quite" |
| 18:06.30 | Kirkburn | I worry if they have a type on their *front page* |
| 18:06.38 | Kirkburn | gah, my typos don't count |
| 18:06.51 | Kirkburn | uh, er, I'm not used to this keyboard *shifty eyes* |
| 18:07.48 | Smooth | <.< >.> |
| 18:07.49 | Kirkburn | I'm guessing it's not written by someone whose main language is english |
| 18:07.52 | Cairenn | I've sent a PM to the author asking him to re-upload, since it's borked for whatever reason, thanks Mikma |
| 18:08.02 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Most of best freeware/shareware programs were designed by people that don't have English as their native language. I actually am more concerned about grammar that's TOO good on a "freeware" or "shareware" page, makes me think they're up to something... |
| 18:08.10 | Kirov | So, the more recent Pentium M cpus max out around 2.3ghz |
| 18:08.14 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 18:08.22 | Kirov | Which is a far cry from the 5ghz that the Pentium 4 gets to |
| 18:08.39 | Thrae | US/UK are not the Open Source captial of the world. |
| 18:08.41 | Kirkburn | How on earth are we gonna compare CPUs now :( Nothing is relative any more ... |
| 18:08.47 | Thrae | More like Eastren Europe. |
| 18:09.06 | Kirkburn | True, that's because they've all got jobs here ;) |
| 18:09.37 | Kirkburn | (as in, most people work for big companies here, whereas elsewhere they don't) |
| 18:09.58 | Thrae | "I hate immigrants! They come in here, work for less money, and can code 5 apps in the time it takes me to code 2! Obviously this is just a problem with immigration and not me!" |
| 18:10.09 | Kirkburn | I knew you'd think I had said that ... |
| 18:10.23 | Thrae | No no, just spouting general bias ;) |
| 18:10.32 | Kirkburn | Well that's okay then :) |
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| 18:10.53 | Kirkburn | Restarting, be back with my MX1000 :O |
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| 18:18.14 | Kirkburn1 | Yay for big mice :) |
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| 18:18.33 | Smooth | What do you guys think of this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150157 |
| 18:18.41 | Smooth | Seems like a good price for dual DVI |
| 18:19.57 | Kirkburn1 | Personally I would try to get a 7-series |
| 18:21.11 | Smooth | Do you know how well ATI stacks up vs nvidia concerning dual monitor setups? |
| 18:21.33 | Smooth | Ive had alot of trouble with nvidia reverting settings and stuff |
| 18:21.55 | Kirkburn1 | Well, my new setup is on a 6800 Go ... but I couldn't say if there was a difference between the two |
| 18:22.32 | Kirkburn1 | I just had trouble changing the color settings, but that's likely the drivers' fault |
| 18:22.49 | Kirkburn1 | (I'm using 91.33 betas) |
| 18:23.19 | Smooth | Like on my dualview setup I have icons moving to the other screen randomly, windows not opening up on the correct screen, etc.. |
| 18:23.55 | Kirkburn1 | Odd |
| 18:31.25 | cogwheel | do FontStrings recognize color escape codes? |
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| 18:31.40 | Kirov | dyes |
| 18:31.42 | Kirov | r, yes |
| 18:31.58 | cogwheel | How do I dye a font string, then? |
| 18:32.01 | cogwheel | :P |
| 18:32.14 | Kirov | blah |
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| 18:32.57 | Kirov | |cfffuku21|f |
| 18:33.23 | Mikk | o.O |
| 18:33.42 | cogwheel | lol |
| 18:33.48 | Kirov | it's a color code ... with a "hidden" message |
| 18:34.28 | cogwheel | What's that in? Vegun-sexi-decimal? |
| 18:34.35 | cogwheel | (base 26 i think) |
| 18:34.54 | cogwheel | or something like that. |
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| 18:39.43 | Kirkburn | What will happen when I try to run a full-screen game? |
| 18:40.02 | Kirkburn | I worry that it'll stretch over both screens :P |
| 18:40.11 | Gryphen | no |
| 18:40.26 | End | it should just cover one screen |
| 18:40.36 | Kirkburn | How do I determine which? |
| 18:40.48 | Gryphen | primary screen |
| 18:40.56 | zenzelezz | yes, primary screen if you're using Windows |
| 18:41.05 | Kirkburn | Is there any way of changing that? |
| 18:41.12 | Gryphen | display settings |
| 18:41.24 | zenzelezz | "Use this device as the primary monitor" |
| 18:41.26 | Kirkburn | I want to keep the primary as primary though |
| 18:41.26 | zenzelezz | I think it's called |
| 18:41.40 | Cairenn | cogwheel: have to tell you, absolutely loving BuyEmAll |
| 18:41.48 | Gryphen | then that is what the game is going to run on |
| 18:41.51 | End | BuyEmAll is pretty useful |
| 18:41.55 | cogwheel | Why thank you :) |
| 18:41.57 | Mikk | Kirkburn: Do you imply that there is a way to have the primary be something other than primary? =) |
| 18:41.59 | zenzelezz | yay, ambushed by Onyxian Warders because some people refused to wait at the start |
| 18:42.09 | Mikk | that always happens |
| 18:42.10 | Mikk | always |
| 18:42.16 | Mikk | "ok, sod this i'm tired of waiting" -> wipe |
| 18:42.29 | cogwheel | I'm working on it as we speak to show the cost of what you'll be buying as well as a "Stack" button to automatically buy a stack. |
| 18:42.33 | Kirkburn | The primary monitor is my laptop screen atm - so I want to keep that as primary, but play my games on the other screen :) |
| 18:42.46 | zenzelezz | then you're screwed |
| 18:42.52 | End | then your face |
| 18:42.54 | Kirkburn | I think I'll cope :) |
| 18:42.57 | End | oh burn! |
| 18:43.16 | Mikk | Well.. there's utilities to move the start button to another display is there not? |
| 18:43.33 | Mikk | If so, set the external as Primary, tell the utility to do the start button on the secondary, and you're golden |
| 18:43.59 | Kirkburn | Intruiging |
| 18:44.09 | zenzelezz | if you mean the windows task bar, that's easy... just drag it to the right monitor |
| 18:44.18 | zenzelezz | but windows will still default to the Primary monitor |
| 18:44.29 | Smooth | the nview utility can change all that |
| 18:44.34 | Smooth | or alteast is supposed to |
| 18:44.42 | Smooth | my personal results are inconsistant at best |
| 18:44.51 | zenzelezz | if you're using an nVidia card/chip, yes. ATi also has something like that |
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| 18:45.01 | Kirkburn | ack, I can't type over here without minimising the other screen |
| 18:45.03 | zenzelezz | but bog-standard Windows will only let you default to primary |
| 18:45.21 | Gryphen | what screen? WoW? |
| 18:45.28 | Smooth | Kirkburn: if its WoW goto video options then select Window Mode, Maximized |
| 18:45.33 | Kirkburn | I have Psychonauts on the other screen |
| 18:45.43 | Kirkburn | I'll see if it has the option |
| 18:45.51 | zenzelezz | "full-screen" windows tend to be "all or nothing" - either they have focus, maximized, or they don't have focus and are iconized |
| 18:46.23 | Smooth | War3 needs the maximized windowed mode setting |
| 18:46.40 | Smooth | Then I can have War3 on one screen and WoW on the other.. *drool* |
| 18:46.42 | Kirkburn | It's not a fan of maximised :/ |
| 18:47.59 | Smooth | See if you can get WoW to run at 2048x768 |
| 18:48.14 | Mikk | I'd love a dual-head wow setup |
| 18:48.32 | Smooth | I thought thats really what I wanted |
| 18:48.34 | Mikk | Mostly just VERY important stuff in the primary display. Lots of crud in the secondary |
| 18:48.58 | Smooth | But now that I have dual screens, I really prefer the single screen WoW and vent/web/thott on the other screen |
| 18:48.59 | cogwheel | I tried that, mikk, but TBH I spent more time switching apps to look at Thottbott, and other things |
| 18:49.05 | Smooth | That way I can multitask like mad |
| 18:49.12 | Smooth | Yea cog |
| 18:49.13 | Mikk | mm true |
| 18:49.23 | Mikk | And I have my laptop next to me for all that other stuff :-P |
| 18:49.24 | zenzelezz | that's best on the count of not losing focus for WoW |
| 18:49.56 | Smooth | I was actually working on an addon whilst grinding yesterday(I have a paladin so gridinging is pretty uninvolved) |
| 18:50.20 | Cide | I work on addons while raiding |
| 18:50.26 | Cide | makes it all more fun! |
| 18:50.41 | Smooth | Lol, critical point and you have a screen full of errors |
| 18:50.48 | zenzelezz | "hey, did CTRA freeze for anyone else? CIDE!?" |
| 18:51.00 | Smooth | Everyone in my guild has Anzac Poker going on at pretty much all times |
| 18:51.27 | Cide | well, I don't do it in naxxramas |
| 18:51.52 | Cide | but even then, unless we're doing a new clear after a reset, I'm usually working on a boss mod for the fight we're working on, while running back from attempts |
| 18:51.55 | JoshBorke | now cide, what did you mom say abotu lieing? ;-) |
| 18:52.16 | Kirkburn | Oooh, should I turn on automatic overlocking on my GPU :O |
| 18:52.27 | Smooth | That sounds unsafe |
| 18:52.28 | Smooth | lol |
| 18:52.38 | Cide | nah |
| 18:52.45 | Cide | it's not overclocking very much :) |
| 18:52.48 | Cide | JoshBorke: what? I never lie |
| 18:52.48 | Kirkburn | It would be fair to say this maptop gets too hot anyway |
| 18:52.51 | Cide | really! |
| 18:52.54 | Kirkburn | *laptop |
| 18:52.55 | Smooth | Yea, I really like the seperation of bossmods in CTRA, it took only a few moments for us to figure it out and cook up a boss mod |
| 18:53.43 | Cide | it'll be even faster come 2.0! |
| 18:54.01 | Smooth | Kirkburn: http://www.tuaw.com/2006/07/13/cook-breakfast-with-your-macbook/ |
| 18:55.47 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 18:56.10 | Kirkburn | Looks like i'll be able to see what everyone's saying, without being able to respond :P |
| 18:56.41 | Smooth | Yea thats the problem I have with DotA on war3 |
| 19:00.01 | Kirkburn | Anyone know what svchost.exe is? |
| 19:00.28 | Kirkburn | It's popular with XP, it likes to keep several instances around |
| 19:00.33 | Cide | windows process |
| 19:00.33 | Smooth | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314056 |
| 19:00.53 | Cide | viruses often disguise themselves as a variation of that filename |
| 19:00.56 | Smooth | SerViCe Host |
| 19:01.17 | Cide | I've seen one virus do svchost.exe I think |
| 19:01.20 | Kirkburn | Thanks, both :) |
| 19:01.29 | Cide | err, scvhost.exe |
| 19:01.36 | Kirkburn | sneaky |
| 19:01.42 | Smooth | SCV ready sir |
| 19:02.06 | Cide | I played starcraft for about 6 hours yesterday, actually |
| 19:02.08 | Kirkburn | I think I watched an SCV-rush video this morning |
| 19:02.16 | Smooth | Lol starcraft is SO good |
| 19:02.25 | Smooth | I would play World of Starcraft so fast |
| 19:02.27 | Smooth | you have no idea |
| 19:02.50 | Smooth | Screw mages, we have seige tanks gogog |
| 19:03.18 | Kirkburn | StarCraft greatness: The perfect SCV Rush http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jen46qkZVNI |
| 19:04.20 | Smooth | Lol this is pretty hardcore for starcraft |
| 19:04.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge End (n=end@c-67-161-159-86.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 19:04.40 | Kirkburn | I'm told that that video is very famous |
| 19:05.02 | Kirkburn | 11 MS updates for me today :O |
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| 19:06.41 | Kirkburn | Tbh, I didn't quite understand the vid, but I haven't played for several years |
| 19:06.49 | cogwheel | Yargh.... Must remember to turn BuyEmAll to debug mode when coding... |
| 19:07.29 | cogwheel | at least it was only 5 moonberry juice |
| 19:09.43 | Smooth | LOL |
| 19:09.46 | Smooth | that video ownt |
| 19:10.18 | Kirkburn | The vid is taken from the perspective of a third-party, no? |
| 19:10.22 | Kirov | Yes |
| 19:10.23 | Smooth | Yea |
| 19:10.28 | Smooth | Observer modes ftw |
| 19:10.29 | Kirkburn | That explains a lot |
| 19:11.29 | Kirkburn | Shall have to watch it again :P |
| 19:12.25 | Smooth | If there was a starcraft MMO, I wonder if there would be tanks and stuff |
| 19:13.39 | Kirov | My girlfriend was asked to play in Korea |
| 19:13.45 | Kirov | full time |
| 19:14.17 | Kirkburn | wow |
| 19:14.21 | Smooth | Now that is pro |
| 19:14.31 | Kirov | She was the #1 female SC player in the US for a while. |
| 19:14.45 | Kirkburn | WOW |
| 19:14.48 | Tuplad | :O |
| 19:14.51 | Kirov | Wasn't #1 overall just because some of the guys refused to play her. |
| 19:14.55 | Tuplad | geeks ;< |
| 19:14.59 | Smooth | Id play SC if I had the time, too much WoW though :) |
| 19:15.12 | Kirov | One of her trade marks was beating people who cheated. |
| 19:15.29 | Tuplad | Kirov: what's her nick ? |
| 19:15.33 | Kirov | Nanogirl |
| 19:15.43 | Tuplad | anything else I could google for ? |
| 19:15.50 | Kirov | not really |
| 19:15.58 | Tuplad | http://www.ladygamers.com/ladyhunt/i-view/Nanogirl%20-%20Brass%20Knuckles%20Interview.htm |
| 19:16.12 | Kirov | that's her |
| 19:16.45 | Kirov | Gina Miller isn't her btw |
| 19:16.48 | Kirov | heh |
| 19:17.15 | Tuplad | :0 |
| 19:17.27 | Kirov | She didn't do many interviews, and she basically quit hardcore starcraft right after being asked to go to Korea. |
| 19:17.46 | Kirov | This was all 6-7 years ago |
| 19:18.07 | Tuplad | Nanogirl\"/: Due to the fact that Tear hates 9 pools and these guys 4-6 pool... plus we wouldn't have enough of a showing. |
| 19:18.15 | Tuplad | wtf is she on about ? |
| 19:18.49 | Kirov | not a clue |
| 19:22.03 | Kirov | The furthest I ever got in starcraft was being able to beat an ai 2 vs 1 ( my sister and I vs. an ai) |
| 19:22.46 | Elkano | SC AI is evil... |
| 19:23.24 | zenzelezz | I played Red Alert 1 so darn much... but still, the thing I remember most about the AI was when a player got disconnected in multiplayer |
| 19:23.30 | zenzelezz | "Computer: It's just you and me now" |
| 19:23.38 | zenzelezz | then they rushed you with everything they had |
| 19:24.16 | Elkano | wit RA1, I often got the AI to drive all its units to the upper left corner... |
| 19:26.13 | Tuplad | hmmm, red alert ... good ol' days |
| 19:26.51 | Tuplad | only thing I hate about strategies is that they're hard to understand :\ |
| 19:27.19 | Tuplad | I go in a room that says "beginners only" and I get raped in the first 5 minutes, I dont even have an army yet just building some crap when the guy comes with plains and roflcopters |
| 19:30.26 | ag`_ | Who asked me about the SVN plugin for Finder? |
| 19:31.06 | ag`_ | woops, wrong channel :P |
| 19:31.18 | Smooth | :) |
| 19:31.34 | Smooth | War3 is a pretty rough game |
| 19:31.45 | Smooth | Its like if you lose 2-3 units in a battle its gg |
| 19:32.01 | Smooth | Atleast in SC you could afford to lose battles and still be ok |
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| 19:44.19 | Smooth | BTW for those interested, 9 pool = build 9 drones and a pool, where 4-6 pool is build 4-6 drones and then pool. Both are very early rush tactics used by zerg players |
| 19:48.50 | Tuplad | what's a pool and what's a drone ? :p |
| 19:49.04 | Smooth | Spawning pool, drone is a zerg worker unit |
| 19:49.34 | Smooth | Basicly the idea is get a spawning pool as fast as possible to create the most basic attack unit before the opponent has a chance to build anything more then workers |
| 19:49.35 | Tuplad | spawning pool is like where all your soldiers come out ? |
| 19:50.20 | Smooth | Kinda, with zerg all the units come out of the same building, every other building just fills a dependancy for those units |
| 19:50.26 | Smooth | But yea thats the general ida |
| 19:50.28 | Smooth | *idea |
| 19:53.49 | Kirkburn|dindins | Sounds lovely |
| 19:54.35 | Shadowed | Can we query items in bag at VARIABLES_LOADED? |
| 19:54.43 | Shadowed | or do we have to wait until PEW |
| 19:54.57 | Kirkburn | This is madness: http://blog.pcformat.co.uk/?entry=pop_up_ads_actually_made |
| 19:55.14 | JoshBorke | Shadowed, i'd say PEW |
| 19:55.16 | Kirkburn | The article is "Pop-up ads actually made by insane people" |
| 19:56.31 | Shadowed | Yeah, looks like you have to wait for PEW |
| 19:58.12 | Shadowed | BAG_UPDATE is fired when logging in though, so I suppose i can use that the first time |
| 19:58.42 | Smooth | Kirkburn: I think I could do that job |
| 19:58.54 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 20:00.11 | Corrodias | wow, you all have been busy while i was asleep |
| 20:02.50 | Corrodias | Rallion called something on deviantart "dramatic"? i'd be surprised to find people on deviantart able to stand a complex situation WITHOUT going melodramatic :) |
| 20:04.12 | Corrodias | wait, the entire article is a tiny bit of text and a single image? |
| 20:04.57 | Kirkburn | Um, yeah ::P |
| 20:05.49 | Kirkburn | Whoever was working on the new dA, really didn't bother with compatability |
| 20:06.00 | Kirov | dA? |
| 20:06.05 | Kirkburn | deviantArt |
| 20:06.15 | Corrodias | god, i hate HTML |
| 20:06.16 | Kirov | ah |
| 20:06.30 | Smooth | This channel is out of control, I must express my self in the universal language of art! |
| 20:06.52 | Corrodias | STRIKE A POSE |
| 20:06.59 | Corrodias | *snap snap* oh, that's the stuff |
| 20:07.06 | Corrodias | *snap* make love to the camera *snap* |
| 20:07.19 | Kirkburn | I want to be a tomato |
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| 20:12.04 | Shadowed | can anyone else not get onto worldofwarcraft.com? |
| 20:13.36 | Corrodias | no response yet |
| 20:13.51 | Kirkburn | fine for me |
| 20:13.52 | Shadowed | account management keeps crashing IE/FF |
| 20:14.08 | Kirkburn | Ooh, it's had an update |
| 20:14.18 | Kirkburn | A new search box |
| 20:14.32 | Shadowed | they removed the top right bar too |
| 20:14.32 | Corrodias | wow.com (expanded) is not responding to my request, it seems |
| 20:14.50 | Shadowed | ping is timing out, guess it's down |
| 20:15.15 | Smooth | works for me |
| 20:15.32 | Shadowed | and now it works again |
| 20:15.49 | Shadowed | or not! |
| 20:15.54 | Kirkburn | How could it be down when I could reach it, eh |
| 20:15.57 | Corrodias | it's like magic~* |
| 20:16.49 | Kirkburn | I wonder what this week's BC news will be |
| 20:17.04 | Kirkburn | I think it'll be mounts |
| 20:17.07 | JoshBorke | bye all |
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| 20:17.41 | Shadowed | mounts sounds likely |
| 20:18.15 | Kirkburn | There have been hints that that info will be released soon |
| 20:18.22 | Smooth | Draeni mounts: spaceship |
| 20:18.29 | ag`_ | pew pew lazers |
| 20:18.30 | Kirov | lol |
| 20:18.44 | Kirkburn | ~slap Smooth |
| 20:18.49 | purl | ACTION slaps Smooth, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:18.49 | Kirov | paladin spaceships! |
| 20:18.49 | Smooth | Lol |
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| 20:19.23 | Kirkburn | Such lore cheapeners :( |
| 20:19.45 | Kirov | Don't blaim us, blaim the blizzard |
| 20:20.01 | Kirkburn | No, I'll keep blaming you, don't worry :) |
| 20:20.10 | Kirov | Fair enough |
| 20:20.30 | Corrodias | what is BC news? |
| 20:20.48 | Kirkburn | Heard of that expansion thingy? |
| 20:20.54 | Corrodias | oh, i understand |
| 20:21.12 | Corrodias | you know, when someone says BC or TBC, i never once think of "burning crusade" |
| 20:21.46 | Smooth | You will probably get used to the buzzwords |
| 20:22.09 | Smooth | Like BEP! figure that one out |
| 20:22.29 | Kirkburn | Bloody Expensive Poodle |
| 20:22.34 | Corrodias | blizzard elevator programmer |
| 20:23.04 | Smooth | Kirkburn's first word is mildly on the right path |
| 20:23.21 | Kirkburn | Blimey, Excellent Party! |
| 20:23.25 | Smooth | lol |
| 20:24.11 | Kirkburn | Bureau of Engraving & Printing |
| 20:24.20 | Kirkburn | Party for Brotherhood and Unity in Politics |
| 20:24.29 | Smooth | BEP as opposed to FHP http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-paladin&t=1183645&p=1&tmp=1#post1183645 |
| 20:24.30 | Kirkburn | (no really) |
| 20:24.44 | Kirkburn | Brevet d'Études Professionnelles |
| 20:25.13 | Kirkburn | Aha |
| 20:25.16 | Smooth | lol |
| 20:25.17 | Corrodias | aaah! unicode! |
| 20:25.33 | Kirkburn | Blud Alf Pooley |
| 20:25.57 | Smooth | Ahh alf, memories |
| 20:26.19 | Kirkburn | aaah! binary code! |
| 20:26.33 | Corrodias | what? i don't get it |
| 20:26.39 | Corrodias | then again, i didn't watch a lot of 80's TV |
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| 20:26.55 | Smooth | Oh you just wait |
| 20:26.59 | Kirkburn | What jollities made you scream with joy over unicode? |
| 20:27.00 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 20:27.02 | Smooth | incomming google video link |
| 20:27.15 | Corrodias | somebody set these poor souls straight about titan support vs fubar support: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4752-1-shardhistory.html |
| 20:27.38 | Corrodias | Kirkburn: you typed something that included unicode, possibly in french |
| 20:28.03 | Kirkburn | Oui, oui, monsieur |
| 20:28.37 | Kirkburn | Corrodias, I don't see the problem? |
| 20:29.05 | Corrodias | there isn't a problem. i just said "ah, unicode!". |
| 20:29.15 | Kirkburn | With the titan/fubar thing |
| 20:29.23 | Corrodias | oh. titan = bad, fubar = good |
| 20:29.32 | Corrodias | my god hath decreed it |
| 20:29.32 | Smooth | He probably has poor support for it so it appeared like \x030f |
| 20:29.33 | Kirkburn | Also, how can anyone count 'death coils' |
| 20:30.16 | Smooth | Why is titan bad |
| 20:30.19 | Smooth | its cool beans |
| 20:30.23 | Tuplad | was just about to ask that |
| 20:30.24 | Kirkburn | I think your god likes to think in black and white, doesn't he :) |
| 20:30.35 | Corrodias | MY GOD IS NOT AMUSED |
| 20:30.46 | Kirkburn | Well, you should try better |
| 20:31.04 | Kirkburn | I think the 'god doesn't exist' probably didn't go down too well |
| 20:31.12 | Smooth | Corrodias: Alf explained http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5814287872365882337&q=alf |
| 20:31.12 | Mikk | büt üñÃcödë ïs sõ múch fün! |
| 20:31.14 | Smooth | LOL |
| 20:31.15 | Smooth | enjoy |
| 20:31.37 | Kirkburn | In which order? Can I enjoy then LOL, or must I LOL before I begin watching? |
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| 20:31.46 | Corrodias | it's just that i've heard titan panel is not easy to code plugins for, and the newer versions have some bugginess in them according to the comments |
| 20:32.10 | Kirkburn | Well, it's been through 3 devs |
| 20:32.30 | Corrodias | and on the other hand, fubar has the same functionality (as far as i'm aware) and is easier to write for |
| 20:32.32 | Kirkburn | And the code base is from pretty much the release of WoW |
| 20:32.53 | Corrodias | whoa. :o |
| 20:32.54 | Kirkburn | Titan is adequate, but Fubar is certainly an improvement |
| 20:33.13 | Kirkburn | Well, it can't change too much since it would break lots of plugins |
| 20:33.37 | Smooth | I just watched the first like 10 seconds of that video, but alf was a sitcom with a anamatronic furry alien guy. It was weird indeed |
| 20:33.55 | Mikk | alf pwnd :-) |
| 20:34.06 | Corrodias | somebody who maintains compatibility with plugins through different versions? this is not in keeping with the WoW spirit. lol |
| 20:34.25 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 20:34.35 | Kirkburn | I think 1.25 was the last one to make major changes |
| 20:34.44 | Kirkburn | Tbh, Titan has had its day |
| 20:34.46 | Mikk | nah seriously... stuff needs to break sometimes with an addon that's been around forever |
| 20:35.01 | Mikk | they should have just gone titan2 long ago |
| 20:35.09 | Kirkburn | The original dev is long gone, adserator obviously doesn't have enough time for it |
| 20:35.15 | Smooth | Could do it like windows does and maintain multiple APIs |
| 20:35.27 | Smooth | e.g. 9x, win32, .NET etc.. |
| 20:35.29 | Kirkburn | (or like ckknight does :) |
| 20:35.38 | Shadowed | or just say screw you and update your mod |
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| 20:36.24 | Smooth | Or ya, you could do it like linux does it and insist on changing the API all the time |
| 20:36.42 | Kirov | hehe |
| 20:36.44 | ckknight | Kirkburn, hrm? |
| 20:37.03 | ckknight | I use compatibilities layers |
| 20:37.08 | ckknight | compatibility* |
| 20:37.20 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 20:37.20 | ckknight | which are essentially modules in and of themseles |
| 20:37.32 | ckknight | themselves* |
| 20:37.34 | ckknight | which means that if I take em out, you only have the new API |
| 20:37.36 | Corrodias | aha! feature request! "Soon to be released: Fubar Hawk (When they add OnReceiveDrag to their API)! " |
| 20:37.44 | ckknight | I added it, Corrodias |
| 20:37.53 | Corrodias | then that guy needs a clue |
| 20:38.00 | ckknight | it's in 2.0 |
| 20:38.03 | ckknight | link |
| 20:38.18 | Corrodias | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-1093-1-inventory-hawk-317111.html |
| 20:47.44 | Kirkburn | Is 2.0 actually released though? |
| 20:48.12 | Corrodias | oh yes. i'm using it. it's sexy. |
| 20:48.54 | Corrodias | that inventory hawk is also here: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5055-Inventory_Hawk.html |
| 20:49.02 | Kirkburn | What wonderful timing - ckknight posted the news earlier today :) |
| 20:50.31 | ckknight | Kirkburn, I'll release it later today |
| 20:50.45 | Kirkburn | oooh |
| 20:50.54 | ckknight | been doing lots of testing |
| 20:51.08 | Kirkburn | Later today probably means about 5am for me :P |
| 20:51.15 | ckknight | could be |
| 20:51.21 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 20:51.22 | Smooth | What kinda timezone is that? |
| 20:51.23 | ckknight | it's 10:50 AM where I am |
| 20:51.28 | Corrodias | thought we were using 2.0 |
| 20:51.31 | Kirkburn | nvm, I'll be playing Psychonauts anyway |
| 20:51.36 | Corrodias | am i mistaken? hmm |
| 20:51.39 | Kirkburn | A beta, Corrodias |
| 20:51.41 | ckknight | Corrodias, 2.0 is in SVN trunk |
| 20:51.48 | Smooth | What is this non-WoW game you speak of?! |
| 20:51.58 | Corrodias | gasp, you're right. i must be nuts. |
| 20:52.14 | Kirkburn | A very very very very good one, Smooth |
| 20:52.19 | Smooth | lies! |
| 20:53.16 | cogwheel | New BuyEmAll if anyone's interested http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info5217-BuyEmAll.html |
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| 20:56.15 | Iriel | Smooth: I take it you're not a unix developer, or or a very young one (to have made your earlier api statement) |
| 20:57.26 | Corrodias | herbalism bags? dude, i'm behind. |
| 20:57.45 | Kirkburn | Unix and Linux .... how different are they? |
| 20:58.37 | Iriel | Linux is a flavor of unix, more or less. |
| 20:58.37 | Corrodias | buyemall 1.10? but isn't that previous to 1.9? lolol ;P |
| 20:59.21 | Smooth | Iriel: while posix api remains standard, the linux developers find it philosphicly necessary to change the ABI regularly. I don't have a problem with this but alot of people wanting more driver support and such do. |
| 20:59.25 | cogwheel | lol |
| 20:59.27 | Iriel | There's specific differences between flavors of unix depending on their original codebases, and the tools available, but there's deep similarity once you get past that. |
| 20:59.34 | Iriel | Ah, but you just said ABI |
| 20:59.37 | Smooth | Anyhow its the opposite approach of the windows developers |
| 20:59.38 | Iriel | Whereas before you talked API |
| 20:59.54 | Iriel | compile-for-your-system is a common unix idiom |
| 20:59.59 | cogwheel | Corrodias: 10 > 9 :P |
| 20:59.59 | Iriel | but not a common windows one |
| 21:00.22 | Smooth | Yea, hence the rise of configure |
| 21:01.09 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, tell that to software developers :P |
| 21:01.10 | cogwheel | I'm just glad the ZOMG WOW 2 IS COEMING OUT NXET! posts are over |
| 21:01.10 | Smooth | Posix promised to be the end all of OS compatability, oh well :) |
| 21:01.14 | Iriel | source compatibility |
| 21:01.26 | Iriel | Not executable portability |
| 21:02.33 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, it almost certainly will appear again when the BC xpack is released |
| 21:02.33 | Smooth | Ah working, I need to get back to that |
| 21:02.46 | Kirkburn | Afaik, the BC version number will be 2.0 |
| 21:03.01 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 21:03.10 | Kirkburn | But at least it will be justified that time |
| 21:03.17 | Smooth | BC 1.0 |
| 21:03.17 | Smooth | ! |
| 21:05.27 | Corrodias | now back to my programming |
| 21:05.58 | Corrodias | now i need to make it download web pages |
| 21:07.06 | Kirkburn | What the hell is it with people are chain emails |
| 21:07.11 | Kirkburn | s/are/and/ |
| 21:07.36 | Smooth | 234 |
| 21:07.41 | Industrial | 123 |
| 21:07.43 | Smooth | s/\d/a/ |
| 21:07.49 | Smooth | damn lol |
| 21:07.54 | cogwheel | My theory is that a patch will come out for WoW to be compatible with BC. Whatever patch number that is, BC will use the same version number. So if BC comes out with patch 1.14, then BC's version will be 1.14 |
| 21:07.55 | Industrial | :p |
| 21:08.05 | Smooth | purl regular expressions |
| 21:08.17 | Industrial | cogwheel, the question however is what BC is |
| 21:08.22 | Industrial | nm -_- |
| 21:08.25 | Kirkburn | It's a little odd we have no idea what will be in 1.13 |
| 21:08.33 | Shadowed | not much |
| 21:08.54 | Shadowed | no class reviews and no new dungeons are scheduled |
| 21:08.57 | Corrodias | with Diablo 2, blizzard did the following: classic and xpac used the same version numbers. xpac started at 1.07, but there was immediately a patch to 1.08 for both versions, so bleh. |
| 21:09.20 | Kirkburn | (I said 2.0, as Tseric decribed the first patch of BC as being'2.1') |
| 21:09.22 | Smooth | Casual epics, van cleef's 8peice teir 4 set, blizzard adds TCP sockets to the API, pigs fly |
| 21:09.23 | Smooth | etc.. |
| 21:09.32 | Smooth | 1.13, all hail our vaporware overlords |
| 21:09.38 | Kirov | Industrial - omg stfu l2p! |
| 21:09.41 | cogwheel | Corrodias, that's why I think BC will be v1.15 or whatever and parallel WoW |
| 21:09.56 | Industrial | ~smite Kirov' |
| 21:09.57 | purl | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves Kirov' from crown to sole. |
| 21:10.02 | Kirkburn | Beta should begin very very very soon |
| 21:10.04 | cogwheel | If you ask me, the only justification for version 2 is if they made a whole new game |
| 21:10.42 | Smooth | man tats lame |
| 21:10.44 | Smooth | s/tats/thats |
| 21:11.08 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, I'm pretty much certain they are |
| 21:11.17 | Shadowed | they said they were |
| 21:11.20 | Smooth | I require beta access |
| 21:11.28 | Kirkburn | The CMs have pretty much confirmed it several times :) |
| 21:11.36 | Shadowed | I believe what they said is something like "If you guys had actually read the back of the card instead of going "OMG MURLOC" you'd know that" |
| 21:11.41 | Smooth | Ill give quality feed back on the spaceships and moonfire autocasts |
| 21:12.01 | Kirkburn | And I'll burn you as well if you mention spaceships again :) |
| 21:12.04 | Smooth | Lol |
| 21:12.09 | Shadowed | shapeshipssssssss |
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| 21:14.00 | Smooth | Kirkburn what do you speculate the Draeni mount will be? |
| 21:14.16 | Smooth | I don't remember seeing anything mountable in w3 so its hard to say |
| 21:14.24 | Elkano | SpeedBikes |
| 21:14.24 | Kirkburn | Hrm, something native to the islands, but I don't recall seeing anything in the screenies |
| 21:14.45 | Kirkburn | I reckon it's likely to be something more 'magical' |
| 21:14.53 | Mikk | Maybe they'll reinvent the tauren runmode thingy :-P |
| 21:14.58 | Kirkburn | Probably not a naaru, though :P |
| 21:15.07 | Smooth | Mikk now that would be pro |
| 21:15.21 | Mikk | Um yeah, it was so hugely popular with taurens :-P |
| 21:15.28 | Kirkburn | "giddy-up, purple ball of energy! Oooh, that tickles..." |
| 21:15.35 | Smooth | Lol |
| 21:15.49 | Mikk | Side mounted rocket thrusters + rollerskates? |
| 21:16.01 | Smooth | I say they should just use diablo 2 as an example and give them sorc-esque teleport on the left click |
| 21:16.15 | Mikk | Wheee Unreal Tournament |
| 21:16.15 | Kirkburn | Magicians are wimps |
| 21:17.25 | Kirkburn | I see no changelog on wdn for the latest ptr :/ |
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| 21:18.21 | End | Kirkburn: the zip file is corrupt too |
| 21:18.34 | End | I think Beladona botched the upload |
| 21:18.42 | Kirkburn | nub |
| 21:19.37 | End | actually...the zip file doesn't even exist |
| 21:20.06 | End | it's like Beladona added it to the database or whatever but didn't even upload the actual zip |
| 21:20.14 | Kirkburn | 187 bytes :O |
| 21:20.16 | End | readfile(pages/01205561/download.zip): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in <b>/home/wowinter/public_html/wdn/index.php</b> on line <b>19</b> |
| 21:20.32 | End | that's what you get when actually -read- those 187 bytes |
| 21:20.38 | Kirkburn | heh |
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| 21:24.59 | Kirkburn | Restarting |
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| 21:29.05 | cogwheel | Anyone know of a good place to ask for localization help? |
| 21:29.42 | cogwheel | the US WoW forum has never really worked for me... |
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| 21:30.40 | Shadowed | in what wya? |
| 21:30.41 | Shadowed | way |
| 21:30.53 | cogwheel | No one responded :P |
| 21:31.14 | cogwheel | I'll try again, but if anyone knows a better place to go, it would help a bunch |
| 21:39.16 | Hexarobi | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Localize_an_AddOn |
| 21:42.02 | cogwheel | Hexarobi, that only helps if I know what the translations are ;) |
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| 22:00.11 | secator | hi |
| 22:00.20 | cogwheel | hello |
| 22:01.32 | Corrodias | you know, in NWN, bioware put all strings in a .tlk file and you referenced them by number. That wouldn't work here, but it made localization of mods not an issue, at least insofar as function was concerned (of course, you still had to write translations of your own text). that wouldn't work in WoW, but it was sure nice.. |
| 22:02.36 | cogwheel | Actually, WoW does have Globalstrings.lua. I do use some of the ones in there, but I do have a string that will definitely need to be translated. |
| 22:04.47 | secator | starting doing mods, I need to make my mod clients to 'communicate'. One easy way would be to re-use CTRA channel. Anyone could help me in doing this plz? |
| 22:05.07 | cogwheel | Wait for 1.12 when there will be SendAddonMessage() |
| 22:05.24 | cogwheel | That's probably the best advice around at the moment |
| 22:06.06 | secator | erf... thx :p |
| 22:06.44 | cogwheel | take a look here for more info: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=412845&p=1&tmp=1#post412845 |
| 22:07.08 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Telepathy |
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| 22:15.02 | Corrodias | i just cut up a little wheel of smoked gouda (goudam?) |
| 22:15.12 | Corrodias | god, i love that cheese |
| 22:15.12 | Kirov | yay |
| 22:15.30 | Kirov | half the power in my building (and the surrounding block) went out |
| 22:15.36 | Kirov | But just half |
| 22:15.53 | Corrodias | *eyebrow* |
| 22:16.05 | Corrodias | half of the power? so you've got, like, 60V? |
| 22:16.16 | Corrodias | or 120V, depending on your location |
| 22:16.37 | cogwheel | Or it dropped to 30hz... |
| 22:16.43 | Kirov | not really sure |
| 22:16.54 | Kirov | some outlets work, some don't |
| 22:17.02 | Corrodias | that's even funnier |
| 22:17.12 | Kirov | those that do appear to be fluctuating |
| 22:17.19 | Kirov | (lights attached to them flicker a little) |
| 22:17.21 | Mikk | If that's the case, i'll assume that it's either 1/3rd or 2/3rds that are out |
| 22:17.22 | Kirov | computers are fine |
| 22:17.28 | Smooth | Just a glitch in the matrix, wait for the black cat to cross then blink three times |
| 22:17.52 | Mikk | (AC power is delivered in 3 phases... they can work independently of each other) |
| 22:18.01 | Kirov | I have 4 outlets at my desk, one works |
| 22:18.09 | Kirov | 2 others don't |
| 22:18.18 | Kirov | and one has power, but not enough to do anything with |
| 22:18.23 | Mikk | That's weird wiring |
| 22:18.56 | Mikk | You normally avoid feeding multiple phases to the same room to avoid differentials in electrical equipment plugged together (audio systems, etc) |
| 22:18.58 | Corrodias | 3 phases? |
| 22:19.39 | Corrodias | differentials? now you're making it up, right? |
| 22:19.47 | Kirov | The building is a comverted wearhouse. |
| 22:20.07 | Kirov | I can't imagine the wiring in this place is terribly consistant |
| 22:20.10 | Mikk | Corrodias: pardon, my english vocabulary is a bit fuzzy on this area... "hums and shit" |
| 22:20.24 | Kirov | lol |
| 22:20.30 | Smooth | Mikk: How does 2 phase power work or w/e for like industrial stoves and whatnot |
| 22:20.43 | Mikk | Well |
| 22:20.48 | Corrodias | lol |
| 22:21.03 | Mikk | Imagine the "current" moving in a circle |
| 22:21.13 | cogwheel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power |
| 22:21.18 | Mikk | At the top, you have +volts, at the bottom -volts |
| 22:21.24 | Mikk | Never mind left and right, that's virtual =) |
| 22:21.38 | Mikk | Now with three phases, you have three spokes sticking out with 120 degrees between them |
| 22:21.40 | Cairenn | lol, cogwheel the spoilsport |
| 22:22.06 | Mikk | If you measure the distance between two endpoints, you get a longer distance than you get between the end of a spoke and the hub |
| 22:22.18 | Mikk | i.e. higher voltage |
| 22:22.55 | Mikk | This is what 2-phase stuff does. Connects between two phases rather than from a phase to zero (the center of the hub) |
| 22:23.00 | Mikk | That's about as basic as I can make it :-P |
| 22:24.02 | Mikk | Now we can start with inductive and capacitive loads, and harmonic overtones, and those spokes start looking reeeeeeaaaallly funny :-P |
| 22:24.04 | Smooth | Thats cool, so its just a hack basicly to get more power out of the standard outlet for special devices |
| 22:24.22 | Mikk | Well, no, not a hack. It's built into the design =) |
| 22:24.29 | Mikk | And it's not a standard outlet |
| 22:24.33 | Mikk | A standard outlet has one phase and zero |
| 22:24.47 | Mikk | But in a house you typically get fed all three phases |
| 22:25.19 | Mikk | They'll usually be distributed in some logical way that distributes the load |
| 22:25.30 | Mikk | E.g. one phase for heating, one phase for the bottom floor, one phase for the top floor |
| 22:25.37 | Mikk | And a few lines with 2 or 3 phases to heavy machinery |
| 22:26.02 | Mikk | Kirov's 4 outlets at his desk is ... aeuhmmm ... fook knows |
| 22:26.06 | Corrodias | we have an air conditioner stuck in the wall that apparently takes 2. |
| 22:26.38 | Mikk | I'll guess there used to be a 3-phase outlet there in the past, and some electrician thought it'd be handy to use all the wires that came running there when he put standard outlets in |
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| 22:27.46 | Corrodias | movie advertisements are getting dumber |
| 22:28.35 | Corrodias | the last couple i've seen basically consisted of flashing several scenes by at a rate of more than one per second while... i'm not sure how to say it |
| 22:28.43 | Corrodias | using several techniques to try to make it seem exciting |
| 22:29.13 | Corrodias | stopping the music while a supposedly funny part occurs, which is mostly based on something suddenly happening or stopping, and then suddenly resuming the music. it's about doing things quickly. |
| 22:29.54 | Corrodias | flashing the screen occasionally helps, too, to keep the audience interested in the big flashing thingy in the corner of their room :P |
| 22:30.12 | Hexarobi | dsv! |
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| 22:35.41 | Cairenn | there we go :) |
| 22:36.37 | Neronix | :P |
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| 22:38.49 | Tuplad | ahh :] |
| 22:39.55 | Iriel|working | Corrodias : That's a fairly handy class |
| 22:40.58 | Tuplad | anyone has the link for that blp2png or blp2tga program ? |
| 22:43.21 | Mikk | google it |
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| 22:44.39 | Tuplad | did |
| 22:44.59 | Cairenn | sec |
| 22:47.14 | Cairenn | www.hexarobi.com/blp2tga.zip |
| 22:47.35 | Cairenn | if Hex has left it up |
| 22:47.42 | Tem | damnit |
| 22:47.44 | Tem | Cai |
| 22:47.45 | Tem | r |
| 22:47.49 | Cairenn | hmm? |
| 22:48.46 | Tuplad | thx Cairenn |
| 22:57.29 | Tem | wow |
| 22:57.48 | Tem | so all those guys on the forums who say the global cooldown is exactly 1.5 seconds are right |
| 22:57.51 | Tem | that's kinda scary |
| 22:58.19 | Tuplad | :O |
| 22:58.28 | Mikk | was that contested? o.O |
| 22:59.23 | Tem | I always thought it was a little shorter than that |
| 22:59.32 | Cide | nope |
| 22:59.37 | cogwheel | probably depends on lag :P |
| 22:59.37 | Tem | (and I rarely believe anything I read on the forums) |
| 22:59.39 | Tuplad | I knew it wasnt 2 secs and that it was close to 1 sec but also that it wasnt 1 sec :P |
| 23:00.01 | cogwheel | Thottbot says that some abilities cause 1s global cooldown while others cause 1.5... |
| 23:00.14 | Tuplad | that's bullcrap :\ |
| 23:00.19 | Mikk | rogue skills have shorter cools |
| 23:01.08 | Tem | I don't trust thottbot either |
| 23:01.19 | Tuplad | :] |
| 23:01.29 | Mikk | i don't trust commentary on thottbot, and i don't trust the db. :-P |
| 23:01.51 | Mikk | for god's sake, they didn't even clean out the bosses appearing all over the world during beta closing |
| 23:02.19 | Mikk | or reset drops stats in strath/scholo/ubrs/brd as of 1.10 |
| 23:02.22 | Tem | cogwheel, XMLSpy is your friend |
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| 23:02.40 | cogwheel | Actually, I accidentally stumbled across it in Visual Studio... |
| 23:02.54 | Tuplad | http://wow.reaktio.net/cosmos.jpg lol @ Cosmos |
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| 23:08.05 | Kirov | yay for power outage |
| 23:08.32 | Tuplad | :D |
| 23:13.52 | Cide | hmm |
| 23:14.09 | cladhaire | jesus that was a good dinner |
| 23:14.16 | Cide | are tables with non-consecutive integer indices always converted to hash tables? |
| 23:14.25 | Kirov | yes |
| 23:14.36 | Mikk | even if there's only a single little gap in a long run? |
| 23:14.41 | Mikk | i thought it had something to do with distribution |
| 23:14.48 | Cide | so theoretically, it's better to have... 1, 2, 3, false, 5, 6, 7.. instead of 1, 2, 3, nil, 5, 6, 7 |
| 23:15.02 | Kirov | well |
| 23:15.16 | Kirov | I don't think lua actually has anything but hash tables |
| 23:15.35 | Mikk | actually their tables are alledgedly both arrays and hashes as needed |
| 23:15.40 | cladhaire | Cide: It depends on what you're trying to do. |
| 23:15.41 | Mikk | arrays for iterating integer indices |
| 23:15.45 | Mikk | hashes for everything else |
| 23:15.55 | cladhaire | Kirov: There is an array part and a hash part to every table, in theory |
| 23:16.04 | Cide | cladhaire: storing the parameters from a function call in a table |
| 23:16.06 | cladhaire | but they're not seperate entities. |
| 23:16.25 | Cide | I'm doing it using integer indices now |
| 23:16.27 | cladhaire | Cide: You will be fine with nil indices, but unpack() and the table. functions work work properly |
| 23:16.38 | Cide | well |
| 23:16.42 | cladhaire | embedded nils are a hot topic in the lua community =) |
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| 23:16.59 | Cide | I went through the pain to not use associative indices for the parameters |
| 23:17.16 | Cide | and if I then use a single nil, it'll be for nothing anyway? |
| 23:17.20 | Kirov | tinsert() works still, as long as getn() remanis valid, but it can be wonky if you're adding stuff at the beginning or middle of a table. |
| 23:17.57 | Cide | well, I'm just thinking about whether I should use false or nil to indicate 'not set' |
| 23:18.36 | cladhaire | if you use nil, unpack() can't be counted on =( |
| 23:18.47 | Cide | not using unpack : |
| 23:18.49 | Cide | :) |
| 23:18.55 | cladhaire | well that certainly helps =) |
| 23:19.03 | Kirov | Cide - how are you iterating over the table? |
| 23:19.08 | Cide | not iterating over it |
| 23:19.09 | cladhaire | there's no inherent speed decrease, or conversion with lua tables. |
| 23:19.16 | cladhaire | you can mix and match at will |
| 23:19.18 | Kirov | so nil is fine |
| 23:19.48 | Cide | I was under the impression that hash tables are larger |
| 23:19.59 | Cide | (comparatively) |
| 23:20.29 | Iriel|working | hash tables are larger (much) than arrays |
| 23:20.30 | cladhaire | its not a large increase |
| 23:20.36 | Iriel|working | for the same number of entries |
| 23:20.54 | cladhaire | Iriel|working: But an array with a few hash entries shoudln't see a siginifigant increase over the array |
| 23:20.57 | cladhaire | is my understanding. |
| 23:21.07 | Cide | I'm looking at ~20 entries per table, with around ~45 tables |
| 23:21.09 | Iriel|working | Array entries = 16 bytes |
| 23:21.13 | Iriel|working | hash entries = 80 bytes |
| 23:21.20 | cladhaire | comparatively, an array with X elements is smaller than a hash table with Y elements |
| 23:21.23 | Iriel|working | both grow exponentially |
| 23:21.52 | Cide | so it's either { 1, 2, 3, 4, nil, 6, 7, 8 .. 20 } or { 1, 2, 3, 4, false, 6, 7, 8 ... 20 } ... would there be a comparable difference in that case? |
| 23:22.18 | Iriel|working | I'd imagine both of those end up as arrays |
| 23:22.25 | cladhaire | they should |
| 23:22.30 | Iriel|working | lua packs into array space up to 50% density |
| 23:22.45 | Cide | ah. that's comforting to know |
| 23:22.46 | Iriel|working | though you can create some pathological cases where it doesn't |
| 23:22.47 | Cide | thanks |
| 23:23.01 | Cide | I'll try not to :) |
| 23:23.03 | Iriel|working | but every time it has to 'grow' the table it re-evaluates that |
| 23:23.14 | Iriel|working | and sets the array/hash split accordingly |
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| 23:41.46 | Cide | hum. |
| 23:42.50 | Cide | nevermind. I'm stupid |
| 23:43.01 | Cide | no wonder my OnLoad handler didn't get called. I forgot <Scripts> </Scripts> |
| 23:58.33 | AnduinLothar | :) cide. it's the silly ones that always getcha |
| 23:58.48 | Cide | took me like 15 minutes to figure out, too :( |
| 23:59.14 | AnduinLothar | typical |
| 23:59.54 | AnduinLothar | i had an idea for an addon i was gonna write.. now i forgot what it was |
| 23:59.59 | AnduinLothar | arg |
