| 00:00.08 | Shadowed | all they have to do is stand still for 20 seconds, and it'll work |
| 00:00.15 | Legorol | you can, the downside is that in the meantime you stare at a frozen image for 20 seconds |
| 00:00.27 | Legorol | since you are in Lua, the gameworld doesn't get updated either |
| 00:00.38 | Shadowed | awesome |
| 00:01.20 | esp|Syn | did anyone just watch that zero hour thing on 5 (UK) |
| 00:04.51 | Qzot | Cairenn: Done and done. |
| 00:05.15 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:06.49 | Legorol | DK's will be removed in TBC Beta: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-pvp-en&t=229343&p=1&tmp=1#post229343 |
| 00:06.58 | Legorol | let's resurrect world PvP, yay! |
| 00:08.39 | Shadowed | US forums need EU CM's |
| 00:10.46 | Legorol | and EU forums need US CMs :P |
| 00:11.06 | Legorol | take the humour of the EU CMs and mix it with the information available to US CMs, and you have the perfect match |
| 00:11.57 | Shadowed | exactly |
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| 00:31.35 | Qzot | Later, all. |
| 00:31.55 | Cairenn | later Qzot` |
| 00:35.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's the distance like on targetnearestenemy or whatever? what's the range on it? |
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| 00:41.06 | Kaelten | howdy howdy hi |
| 00:42.04 | cladhaire | Heyas Kaelten |
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| 00:49.34 | Shadowed | What was it that allowed mods to control winamp from WoW work before 1.8 anyway? |
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| 00:58.51 | norganna | Ok, I lent my guild to someone 7 months ago to test an addon... i need it back :) |
| 00:59.18 | esp|Syn | man i love installers that say "Error blah, contact support" |
| 00:59.33 | esp|Syn | first i knew i even have any support for my pc |
| 00:59.41 | norganna | The character who currently owns my guild is called Guildmojo... if this sounds like you, please return my guild to me. |
| 00:59.44 | esp|Syn | shall i call 999 and ask them? |
| 01:02.31 | Kaso | Cairenn |
| 01:02.40 | Cairenn | Kaso |
| 01:02.53 | Kaso | found an error in your FAQ |
| 01:03.00 | Cairenn | post correction |
| 01:03.04 | Kaso | im EU |
| 01:03.15 | Cairenn | on Wiki :p |
| 01:03.27 | Cairenn | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_FAQ |
| 01:03.41 | Kaso | rodger |
| 01:03.45 | Cairenn | :) |
| 01:05.45 | Mikma | ok i'll ask this from here too, is this a correct sentence in english? "Giving birth was long and painful" |
| 01:05.47 | Cairenn | aye |
| 01:05.48 | Mikma | goodies, thanks :) (making a wow-picture with friend ;) |
| 01:07.05 | Cepheid | Doesn't correct sentence structure require both a noun and a verb? Perhaps I'm just blind, since I'm not perfect at the English language, but I see no noun in that sentence. |
| 01:07.48 | Mikma | Cepheid: and i'm not good even at my own language with nouns verbs and such :P |
| 01:08.41 | Cepheid | Heh. |
| 01:08.59 | Cepheid | I nearly failed my English courses, and it's supposed to be my primary language. |
| 01:09.15 | Cepheid | Yet somehow, it seems that nowadays, schools rate me close to university level in English. |
| 01:13.22 | Mikma | Cairenn: http://slate.kaasu.org/birth.jpg |
| 01:17.43 | Cairenn | that's ... odd |
| 01:19.28 | Shadowed | ... |
| 01:21.11 | Kaso | ok, perhaps im being reallly stupid, but i cant see a way to correct this, theres no easy way to alias a frame function in a manner that will conserve charaters is there? |
| 01:25.22 | Shadowed | Whats a stack overflow again, when you chain something into an infinit loop? |
| 01:27.26 | Iriel | Shadowed : Yes |
| 01:27.34 | Kaso | function fred() fred() end :> |
| 01:27.57 | Cepheid | He's asking what a stack overflow itself is. He stated the "When you chain something.." to explain what caused it, I think. |
| 01:28.13 | Shadowed | Iriel answered what i was wondering |
| 01:28.33 | Shadowed | just trying to figure out how this for loop managed to overflow |
| 01:28.34 | Cepheid | Oh. |
| 01:29.11 | Iriel | You can do infinite tail recursion without causing stack overflows |
| 01:29.25 | Iriel | i.e. |
| 01:29.29 | Iriel | function fred() return fred(); end |
| 01:29.34 | Iriel | That will of course lock up forever |
| 01:29.35 | Shadowed | for id, row in sortList do <-- is what it's saying caused it |
| 01:29.37 | Iriel | but it doesn't overflow the stack |
| 01:29.48 | Iriel | are you modifying sortList in the loop? |
| 01:29.56 | Iriel | more specifically, adding new elements to it |
| 01:30.06 | Shadowed | adding new elements to another table, but not sortList |
| 01:30.41 | Shadowed | http://pastebin.ca/116044 it's hacky code, but that's the sorting function |
| 01:32.36 | Shadowed | Only place that it could cause it is line 39 I suppose, but even then it shouldn't. |
| 01:34.39 | Shadowed | Cairenn: this explains everything |
| 01:34.42 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=425468&p=2 |
| 01:38.56 | cladhaire | http://imagelink.org/info/4634 |
| 01:39.15 | cladhaire | for those interested |
| 01:39.21 | Shadowed | horde?! |
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| 01:43.22 | Iriel | I dont see anything in there that should cause a stack overflow Shadowed |
| 01:44.34 | Iriel | Oh, I do |
| 01:45.13 | Iriel | Never mind, I see disableSort takes care of it |
| 01:45.34 | Shadowed | Yeah, this is confusing |
| 01:46.02 | Shadowed | I've double checked both calls to SortAll and SortList and theres zero chance of them being called enough to cause an overflow |
| 01:47.41 | Rallion | ohhh don't you wish you could get a stacktrace? |
| 01:47.44 | Iriel | You can |
| 01:47.47 | Iriel | debugstack() 8-) |
| 01:48.02 | Rallion | well, lol, yes |
| 01:48.11 | Iriel | Just put a 'depth counter' into your code and abort with a stacktrace if it gets higher than say, 5 |
| 01:48.20 | Rallion | that's a good idea |
| 01:48.22 | Shadowed | can't do a /dump debugstack(); :( |
| 01:48.52 | Iriel | you can do message(debugstack()) I think |
| 01:48.57 | Iriel | that should work. |
| 01:51.43 | Shadowed | now the fun part of trying to replicate it |
| 01:52.13 | Shadowed | ooo new PTR patch |
| 01:54.06 | Shadowed | is anyone else not able to get onto wowinterface? |
| 01:54.27 | Shadowed | annnd now it works |
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| 02:00.41 | Beladona | working on the ptr soon, am in Strat atm |
| 02:11.05 | Shadowed | sigh |
| 02:11.07 | Shadowed | good job blizzard |
| 02:11.28 | joyjey | is it possible to sort my assosiative table my key ? |
| 02:11.34 | Shadowed | They've completly broken scoreboards, and the WSG scores are lower then they should be |
| 02:11.51 | joyjey | by key* |
| 02:21.34 | Iriel | joyjey : no, hash tables are inherently unsorted -- But you can make an array containig the keys, and sort thjat |
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| 02:27.16 | joyjey | ok, thx |
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| 02:50.53 | zespri | Honorable Kills now diminish at a rate 10% per kill rather than 25% per kill. |
| 02:50.57 | zespri | omg |
| 02:51.03 | zespri | long live gankng! |
| 02:51.37 | Shadowed | not really going to change anything |
| 02:51.48 | zespri | may be |
| 02:51.52 | zespri | an may be not |
| 02:51.54 | Shadowed | just means corpse camping and farming group vs pug's becomes longer. |
| 02:52.02 | Shadowed | and that time > skill |
| 02:52.28 | zespri | there is more incentive now for repeatedly killing the same person. now I understand why they did this to get players more honour in BG, but what about out of BG |
| 02:53.17 | Thrae | I just played my first game of 10-19 in a long time. Here's how it went -- the twinks went around 1-shotting the low-level players while desperatedly avoiding each other. |
| 02:53.39 | Thrae | s/desperatedly/desperately/. |
| 02:55.05 | Shadowed | 10-19 twink BG is silly |
| 02:55.12 | Shadowed | the characters havn't developed enough to be useful |
| 02:55.20 | Thrae | Twink BG is mostly silly |
| 02:55.28 | Tem | I play a 60 twink |
| 02:55.35 | Thrae | Haha |
| 02:55.37 | Tem | go go epic gear |
| 02:55.52 | Shadowed | i liked 20-29 as a hunter |
| 02:55.53 | Tem | I can beat anyone else who isn't also a twink |
| 02:56.10 | Shadowed | I spent probably 20g total, used a level 20 bow and was able to play 1 Vs 10 :p |
| 02:58.26 | cladhaire | Woot. |
| 02:58.31 | cladhaire | I got bushes! |
| 02:59.23 | cladhaire | [Cenarion Spaulders] |
| 02:59.32 | Mikma | oho |
| 03:13.18 | Kaelten | Hows it going guys? |
| 03:14.55 | Kaelten | does anyone know of a good formulaic way to see what day of the week a given date is? |
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| 03:16.38 | Hexarobee | our calendar is so crazy i doubt it |
| 03:17.00 | Gryphon | guildcalander as an example? |
| 03:17.30 | Gryphon | groupcalendar i mean |
| 03:18.22 | Hexarobee | theres prolly a function |
| 03:18.27 | Hexarobee | thats been written in lua to do it |
| 03:19.01 | Hexarobee | http://lua-users.org/wiki/DayOfWeekAndDaysInMonthExample |
| 03:45.41 | Hexarobee | man this code shouldnt work but it is |
| 03:45.43 | Hexarobee | ghost code! |
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| 04:05.33 | Mikk | Bleh. Ok. That's http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_%28API%29 reformatted then... |
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| 04:07.36 | Mikk | Nuts.. Checking for double redirects, I see that there actually WERE "EventsA", "EventsB-C", "EventsD-F" pages before those horrid page titles came into existance |
| 04:14.07 | Mikk | Guh. 6 in the morning. Great. |
| 04:17.30 | Cairenn | night Mikk |
| 04:21.34 | AnduinLothar | so why isn't it just http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_%API |
| 04:21.41 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.00 | cogwheel | cairenn, BuyEmAll 1.5 is uploaded... |
| 04:28.11 | Cairenn | approved |
| 04:28.47 | cogwheel | ty :) |
| 04:29.13 | Cairenn | np |
| 04:33.46 | Shadowed | Text is aligned completly to the right, category: <blah> is on two lines |
| 04:37.30 | Kirov | cogwheel - suggestion, when buying pre-stacked items, it should show the total someplace. |
| 04:37.38 | Kirov | not just the number of stacks. |
| 04:37.47 | cogwheel | It goes by the total. |
| 04:38.20 | cogwheel | if you enter 23 and it stacks in 5s, it'll ask you "Are you sure you want to buy 25 of this item?" |
| 04:39.43 | cogwheel | When I get around to making my own Stack Split frame for it, I'll make the arrow buttons move in increments of the preset stack size. |
| 04:39.47 | Kirov | What about stuff that stacks in 200? |
| 04:40.06 | cogwheel | If you enter 201 it'll try to buy you 400 |
| 04:40.36 | Kirov | hmm |
| 04:40.49 | Kirov | You know how long it take to get to 200? |
| 04:40.50 | Kirov | heheh |
| 04:41.03 | cogwheel | you can type a number in... |
| 04:41.07 | cogwheel | even in the default ui |
| 04:41.25 | cogwheel | I found that out by accident yesterday as i was looking at the Stack Split frame code |
| 04:42.05 | cogwheel | I might add that to the readme.... someone commented about it in the wowi download page though |
| 04:42.12 | Kirov | weird |
| 04:42.21 | Kirov | I think I have something else hooking stuff |
| 04:42.43 | cogwheel | what's going on? |
| 04:42.59 | Kirov | can't type in it, not giving me a prompt |
| 04:43.17 | cogwheel | it's not a prompt... it doesn't give you a cursor or anything... just try typing |
| 04:43.33 | cogwheel | the fact that it doesn't give you a cursor is why I never thought you could. |
| 04:43.34 | Kirov | two issues |
| 04:43.58 | Kirov | a) I can't type and b) when I buy it doesn't give me the prompt asking if I want to buy x many |
| 04:44.22 | Kirov | and the answer to A) was the one you noted |
| 04:44.23 | Kirov | heh |
| 04:44.25 | cogwheel | You have to buy more than the stack size in order to see the prompt... most things that come in stacks of 5 can stack up to 20 |
| 04:44.32 | Kirov | ah |
| 04:44.53 | Kirov | See, I would of just had it show the total amount possible to buy. |
| 04:45.08 | Kirov | stacks in 5, you press left it goes to 10 |
| 04:45.48 | cogwheel | "When I get around to making my own Stack Split frame for it, I'll make the arrow buttons move in increments of the preset stack size." ;) |
| 04:46.43 | cogwheel | This'll help me clarify the readme for the next update. |
| 04:48.49 | Kirov | btw, you don't have to change the split frame for that |
| 04:49.03 | cogwheel | no? |
| 04:49.20 | Kirov | just hook StackSplitFrameLeft_Click and StackSplitFrameRight_Click |
| 04:49.39 | cogwheel | Ah... that's true... |
| 04:50.54 | Kirov | You can actually overwrite a lot of the SplitFrame's functionality |
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| 04:58.00 | Cairenn | night clad |
| 05:00.01 | cogwheel | I totally just wrote you eye when I meant to write UI... :S |
| 05:00.18 | cogwheel | I totally just said "I totally ..." :S |
| 05:00.30 | cogwheel | I think I'm gonna go the way of Clad |
| 05:00.38 | Kirov | night |
| 05:00.50 | cogwheel | 'till next time... |
| 05:00.53 | Cairenn | night cogwheel |
| 05:02.57 | clad|sleep | lol |
| 05:02.58 | clad|sleep | night everyone. |
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| 05:04.56 | Corrodias | so 1.12 is on "any day now" status? |
| 05:05.30 | Cairenn | they just put a new patch up ... |
| 05:06.41 | Corrodias | i don't understand what you mean, but it sounds like you're saying no |
| 05:07.05 | Cairenn | well, they *normally* test a patch for a while before going live, but who knows |
| 05:07.22 | Shadowed | week or two at most |
| 05:07.52 | Shadowed | currently pvp scoreboards and ab/wsg/world pvp score info are also broken |
| 05:09.02 | Corrodias | i see |
| 05:09.40 | Corrodias | i'm seriously considering starting to play again, which leaves me with a delicious task of evaluating six months worth of new and updated addons |
| 05:10.02 | Cairenn | seeing if the little birdies are chirping at all |
| 05:10.45 | Shadowed | just ask Cairenn, she knows everything about what was updated anyway |
| 05:10.55 | Cairenn | not |
| 05:11.09 | Shadowed | lies |
| 05:11.28 | Shadowed | next time you link an addon within 10 seconds of someone asking i'm referring to what i said |
| 05:11.36 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:11.53 | Corrodias | i can remember my silly attempt to collect all of the non-combat pets that i possibly could. i believe i have now managed to convince myself that it's pointless to collect the commonly available ones |
| 05:12.10 | Corrodias | so i can ditch them... if my characters still exist. how long do they hang onto them? |
| 05:12.31 | Gandraw | forever |
| 05:12.37 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 05:12.47 | Corrodias | :o |
| 05:12.57 | Gandraw | but dont you dare ditching any cute kittens |
| 05:13.08 | Corrodias | i'm afraid i will be tossing a few cats out the door |
| 05:13.08 | Cairenn | what Gandraw said! |
| 05:13.11 | Corrodias | and birds |
| 05:13.28 | Corrodias | and whatever other common things i gathered in my lunacy |
| 05:13.52 | Gandraw | i got all 3 dragon pets :/ |
| 05:13.56 | Corrodias | i'll keep the christmas pets. :3 |
| 05:14.00 | Gandraw | fortunately not on the same character |
| 05:14.47 | Gandraw | does anyone have any idea how i can make an addon window automatically move over if there is already a window open in the default spot? |
| 05:14.49 | Corrodias | i remember i made an "investment" by buying an extra green gnome thing pet, planning to try to sell it off in like six months. so i guess it has been that long, now. think it would sell? would anybody care at all, yet? |
| 05:15.16 | Gandraw | you mean the BoP ones? |
| 05:15.20 | Cairenn | won't know till you try |
| 05:15.26 | Cairenn | BoE |
| 05:16.43 | Corrodias | BoU. bind on use, thank you. |
| 05:16.53 | Cairenn | fine, fine :p |
| 05:16.58 | Cairenn | but certainly not BoP |
| 05:17.02 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 05:47.29 | Shadowed | A hunter complaining about a .2 lag spike in raiding |
| 05:47.31 | Shadowed | wow |
| 05:48.21 | Corrodias | .2 what? |
| 05:48.41 | Shadowed | seconds |
| 05:48.44 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=426170&p=1&tmp=1#post426170 |
| 05:49.22 | Corrodias | i think he may be mistaken about the duration. i do know it annoys me quite a bit. |
| 05:49.27 | Shadowed | aren't memory tracking mods pretty damn inaccurate? |
| 05:49.43 | Corrodias | i attempt to minimize not the amount of memory usage but rather the amount of increasing memory usage, so i don't have to deal with GCs as often |
| 05:50.04 | Corrodias | i discontinued my use of bgbuddy2 because it consumed memory at a rate greater than all my other addons combined |
| 05:50.09 | Corrodias | wayback |
| 05:50.27 | Shadowed | BGBuddy did some odd things |
| 05:50.38 | Shadowed | Like requesting scores over and over and over as soon as they were updated |
| 05:51.29 | Corrodias | i can't post in his thread unless and until i reactivate my account, can i? :P |
| 05:51.42 | Shadowed | I don't think so |
| 05:53.23 | Corrodias | nope. okay, i suggest that you respond with an explanation that the amount of memory his system has is irrelevant; that the issue at hand here is the low, unchangeable maximum amount that WoW allocates to the UI and how blizzard is raping him from behind by forcing it to be automatically controlled. unless that has changed. |
| 05:54.25 | Corrodias | instead of running into the cap every 5 minutes i'd rather just give it 512mb to play with and be done with it |
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| 05:54.51 | Shadowed | ah |
| 05:55.03 | Corrodias | i have the ram. it would be nice if they'd let me use it. |
| 05:55.30 | Corrodias | i ran WoW fine on my other computer with 768mb of memory, and my new one has 2gb. hell, i could give the UI 1gb of memory and not miss it. |
| 05:55.58 | Corrodias | let's see it garbage-collect THAT |
| 05:56.07 | Corrodias | i'd probably have to wait several seconds, hahah |
| 05:56.21 | [Requiem]Hypocri | Question: When I'm creating a minimap button for my addon, how do I make the outside parts of the button transparent? Is there a certain color it needs to be for WoW to not show it, or is there a way to make .tga's with transparency? |
| 05:57.16 | Cairenn | alpha channel |
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| 06:04.09 | Corrodias | WoWi returns only 50 results when i tell it to show my all files 6 months old and newer. does this include updated versions of old addons? |
| 06:04.47 | Shadowed | does it show 50 per a page? :p |
| 06:05.09 | Corrodias | 25 per page, 50 total |
| 06:06.16 | Corrodias | seems to be working though. the earliest ones have february as their "last updated" time |
| 06:06.35 | Corrodias | that's pathetic. only 50 mods have changed or been added since i quit. :) |
| 06:06.48 | Shadowed | that seems kind of low |
| 06:07.06 | Corrodias | i wonder what curse will return. |
| 06:08.38 | Corrodias | i can't find an advanced search feature on curse :P |
| 06:09.05 | Cairenn | so use the best :p |
| 06:09.25 | Corrodias | best? |
| 06:09.49 | Corrodias | best search? |
| 06:09.57 | Cairenn | best site :p |
| 06:10.13 | Shadowed | i am |
| 06:10.22 | Corrodias | ah. well, see, i'm looking for quantity that i may pick up on little mods that didn't get put on the best site |
| 06:10.23 | Shadowed | still cant find the advance search on curse :( |
| 06:10.41 | Corrodias | and curse has quantity |
| 06:10.49 | Cairenn | it was a joke, geez |
| 06:11.02 | Shadowed | so was mine! |
| 06:11.02 | Corrodias | they just don't seem to have a search function except for title. maybe i can see a full list and sort by last updated time... |
| 06:11.34 | Corrodias | although they have them split into like 30 categories. sigh. |
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| 06:17.13 | Corrodias | you know, maybe i should just go get updates for the addons i was using at the time and see if any of them have comments that say "lol this sucks use <other addon> instead>" for new ideas |
| 06:18.17 | Tem | Anyone play a mage here? |
| 06:18.32 | Tem | I just finished being nerdy |
| 06:18.35 | Tem | real, real nerdy |
| 06:18.41 | Shadowed | oh rly? |
| 06:18.42 | Shadowed | what'd you do |
| 06:19.13 | Tem | I wrote a simulation to chaincast frostbolts with different amounts of +spell damage and different trinkets equipped |
| 06:19.29 | Cairenn | yup, definitely nerdy |
| 06:19.35 | Tem | it uses the trinkets as often as possible |
| 06:19.45 | Tem | and spits out your average dps at the end |
| 06:20.27 | Shadowed | time to take a week break |
| 06:20.47 | Cairenn | ? |
| 06:21.13 | Shadowed | Tem |
| 06:21.17 | Cairenn | ah |
| 06:21.17 | Shadowed | break from wow |
| 06:21.29 | Tem | I found that the best combo for a frost mage with 528 spell damage was Neltharion's tear and the Mind Quickening Gem |
| 06:21.56 | Shadowed | Darkshore has zero moonstalker runts |
| 06:21.58 | Corrodias | there's an ace2 now? :o |
| 06:22.01 | Shadowed | this is unusual |
| 06:22.31 | Tem | Corrodias, yes, there is an Ace2 |
| 06:24.20 | Cairenn | well, sleep time for me, night all |
| 06:24.36 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 06:25.00 | Gandraw | does anyone have any idea how i can make an addon window automatically move over if there is already a window open in the default spot? |
| 06:27.22 | Tem | night Cair |
| 06:28.10 | Corrodias | okay. now i can't find "basic experience bar" on wowi or curse. >:/ |
| 06:30.08 | Hexarobee | granraw, http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Make_Frames_Arrange_Like_Standard_Frames_%28sliding_over_from_the_left%29 |
| 06:32.12 | Gandraw | thanks a lot! |
| 06:32.41 | Corrodias | and when i get that feeling, i want sexual healing |
| 06:41.44 | Corrodias | according to wowace.com, there is no ace2 yet... |
| 06:42.37 | Corrodias | ah, but the forum speaks differently |
| 06:43.19 | Shadowed | So alt + zing in game while auctioneer scanning is bad |
| 06:43.38 | Corrodias | alt+z? i'm not aware that that does anything |
| 06:43.47 | Shadowed | hides all frames |
| 06:43.57 | Kirov | Hides UIParent specifically |
| 06:44.06 | Corrodias | whoa. i'll have to remember that. |
| 06:46.35 | ckknight | Corrodias, Ace2 exists |
| 06:46.37 | ckknight | I should know |
| 06:46.44 | Kirov | lies |
| 06:46.52 | ckknight | ...? |
| 06:47.22 | Shadowed | I read on the internet that it doesn't exist |
| 06:47.24 | ckknight | Ace2 is a collection of libraries that do random shiny things |
| 06:47.34 | Corrodias | seems to be one of those embedded library things |
| 06:47.34 | ckknight | well, you see the thing about that... |
| 06:47.41 | Corrodias | does that mean i don't download it to use dependent addons |
| 06:47.41 | ckknight | the internet is a series of tubes |
| 06:47.42 | Corrodias | ? |
| 06:47.45 | ckknight | right. |
| 06:48.49 | DoomGaze3 | the internet is not something you just dump something on. it's not a truck. |
| 06:49.08 | ckknight | exactly. |
| 06:49.15 | ckknight | ~the internet |
| 06:49.30 | Shadowed | ~internet |
| 06:49.32 | purl | somebody said internet was not a big truck, it's a series of tubes |
| 06:49.33 | DoomGaze3 | just the other day my staff sent me an internet and I didn't get it until this morning. |
| 06:49.35 | DoomGaze3 | why? |
| 06:50.02 | Shadowed | purl, the internet, <reply>the internet is a series of tubes. |
| 06:50.03 | purl | Shadowed: what are you talking about? |
| 06:50.07 | Shadowed | damn you bot |
| 06:51.05 | Corrodias | it was a politician trying to convince people to support the removal of net neutrality, thereby allowing ISPs to decide which web sites get more bandwidth on their networks |
| 06:51.29 | Shadowed | Because saying the internet is a series of tubes is a great way to get support! |
| 06:51.43 | ckknight | purl, the internet is <reply>the internet is a series of tubes. |
| 06:51.45 | purl | ...but internet is already something else... |
| 06:52.04 | Shadowed | purl, what is internet |
| 06:52.06 | purl | Shadowed: what are you talking about? |
| 06:52.08 | Corrodias | although that develops itself into a complex plan of tiered plans for users, so you pay more to get decent speed to wowi because they don't pay your ISP :D |
| 06:52.08 | Shadowed | hmm, whats the command again? |
| 06:52.14 | ckknight | ~literal internet |
| 06:52.15 | purl | "internet" is "not a big truck, it's a series of tubes" |
| 06:52.16 | Corrodias | purl, wtf internet |
| 06:52.17 | Shadowed | that one |
| 06:52.18 | ckknight | I set it a few hours ago |
| 06:52.34 | Corrodias | sigh |
| 06:52.45 | Shadowed | purl, no internet is <repley>(not a big truck, it's a series of tubes|it's a series of tubes) |
| 06:52.46 | purl | okay, Shadowed |
| 06:52.54 | ckknight | purl, no, internet is <reply>the internet is not somethin you can just dump on, it's not a big truck, it's a series of tubes. |
| 06:52.56 | purl | ckknight: okay |
| 06:53.00 | ckknight | ~internet |
| 06:53.01 | purl | the internet is not somethin you can just dump on, it's not a big truck, it's a series of tubes. |
| 06:53.14 | ckknight | purl, no, internet is <reply>the internet is not something you can just dump on, it's not a big truck, it's a series of tubes. |
| 06:53.16 | purl | ckknight: okay |
| 06:53.18 | ckknight | ~internet |
| 06:53.20 | purl | the internet is not something you can just dump on, it's not a big truck, it's a series of tubes. |
| 06:53.22 | ckknight | there we are |
| 06:53.25 | Corrodias | interesting bot |
| 06:53.30 | DoomGaze3 | purl, ted stevens is <reply>Ted Stevens is a giant ignorant douche. |
| 06:53.31 | purl | okay, DoomGaze3 |
| 06:53.31 | Shadowed | purl, kill Corrodias |
| 06:53.33 | purl | ACTION shoots a inverse proton gun at Corrodias |
| 06:53.33 | Corrodias | or chinese child slave |
| 06:57.40 | DoomGaze3 | ~ted stevens |
| 06:57.42 | purl | Ted Stevens is a giant ignorant douche. |
| 06:58.18 | Corrodias | ~world of warcraft |
| 06:58.33 | Corrodias | :( |
| 06:58.59 | Shadowed | ~tem |
| 06:59.01 | purl | I wonder what Tem is breaking now... |
| 07:07.30 | Corrodias | hahah, i wonder what will happen if i just drop all the updated addon files in their respective folders and not delete the savedvars files. we'll see. i'll definitely have backups first. |
| 07:23.56 | Corrodias | my version of chatmats from 6 months ago appears to be newer than the one on wowi. oops. |
| 07:30.18 | norganna | Looking for whoever I loaned my guild on Proudmoore to... Character name's "Guildmojo". |
| 07:46.15 | Corrodias | i have this odd recollection that it is only possible to change a hunter's pet's name once |
| 07:46.19 | Corrodias | is that correct? |
| 07:46.35 | Kirov | yes |
| 07:46.54 | Corrodias | how bizarre |
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| 08:29.43 | Corrodias | is there a way to tell from looking at files what Addons are currently "enabled"? |
| 08:30.07 | Corrodias | my addons.txt files seem to be a little too short to have been that |
| 08:30.34 | Shadowed | it's addons.txt |
| 08:30.46 | Corrodias | okay, where? |
| 08:31.03 | Shadowed | WoW\WTF\Account\<AccountName> |
| 08:31.26 | Shadowed | or World of Warcraft\WTF\Account\<ACCOUNT>\<SERVER>\<CHARACTER> for individual character settings |
| 08:31.32 | Corrodias | that can't be right... it isn't listing several that i was using by the end |
| 08:32.14 | Corrodias | well, maybe... but i don't remember turning these off |
| 08:32.23 | zespri_work | those that are not listed are governed by DefaultEnabled attribute in toc. I'm not sure what the correct attribute name but you got the idea |
| 08:33.22 | Hexarobee | what rules do the addon sites like curse and wowi use to determine which screenshot to use as the main pic? i think ive ruled out alphabetic by filename or caption, and its not first uploaded |
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| 08:41.11 | Adrine | Evenin', folks |
| 08:43.10 | Corrodias | did i hear that lootlink has been... made inferior to another addon? |
| 08:44.14 | Adrine | I like Getlink :D |
| 08:44.30 | Adrine | Doesn't do random properties...which is tangentially why I'm here |
| 08:44.39 | Adrine | But no memory overhead, which is nice. |
| 08:46.36 | Adrine | Anyone familiar with the DBC files and how they correlate to itemcache.wdb? Specifically, am I right in my theory that there isn't a direct correlation in the client files between an item and its possible random properties? |
| 08:47.10 | Adrine | (and if so, poo) |
| 08:49.31 | Adrine | There's a field in the wdb entries that only appears on random items, and looks more like an ID than a bitmask. But, I can't help but think that the relevant table isn't exposed client-side. |
| 08:51.23 | Adrine | But it doesn't make any sense to have a field like that with no correlated client data |
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| 08:54.50 | Adrine | I see that the ctprofiles guys solved it by just doing data collection in game, but I'm hoping to avoid that. Not a lot of hope though :) |
| 08:55.21 | Adrine | Though it wouldn't be hard to get -potential- stat values given that we know the rarity, ilevel, and number of stats. |
| 09:05.20 | Corrodias | sorry, i know nothing. i hope AL knows something. |
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| 09:09.11 | AnduinLothar | what? |
| 09:09.17 | AnduinLothar | I don't know anything |
| 09:09.31 | Adrine | itemcache.wdb and random properties |
| 09:09.40 | zespri_work | you are almost as almighty as iriel, don't be shy |
| 09:09.43 | Adrine | I'm putting together my own item/spell/etc etc etc database |
| 09:10.10 | Adrine | And while there is data a-plenty for random properties and such, I can't for the life of me figure out how to link an item to potential random properties |
| 09:12.35 | AnduinLothar | wha? |
| 09:12.39 | AnduinLothar | suffixes? |
| 09:13.01 | Adrine | In the interface sense, yes. |
| 09:13.09 | Adrine | Which I know come from the server... |
| 09:13.22 | AnduinLothar | what're you trying to do? |
| 09:13.49 | Adrine | Produce a list of valid random properties for a given item from the itemcache data and the various client DBC files. |
| 09:14.18 | Adrine | I can easily enough determine a list using the item level/rarity, but those I determine may not actually be available to that item. |
| 09:14.31 | Adrine | There are two tables here with all the data, but I can't figure out the relationship between them. |
| 09:14.37 | AnduinLothar | mmm, ya. you just have to have an addon that matches suffixes to the appropriate item id |
| 09:15.00 | Adrine | That's the solution I've seen in the past, yeah. |
| 09:15.06 | Adrine | Not fond of it, though :/ |
| 09:15.21 | AnduinLothar | it's the only availible one afaik |
| 09:15.27 | Adrine | Well, that we know of :) |
| 09:15.32 | Adrine | Was just wondering if anyone had found anything new. |
| 09:15.39 | zespri_work | Sorry, the translation is mine: |
| 09:15.39 | zespri_work | Excerpt from regulation of using electro-shock weapons: |
| 09:15.39 | zespri_work | It's not allowed to use electro-shock weapons against pregnant women unless they are armed or attacking as a group |
| 09:15.39 | zespri_work | I can imagine a group of preganant women attacking - a must see show |
| 09:15.58 | Adrine | Hehe. |
| 09:16.25 | AnduinLothar | well, considering I'm being paid to write a data miner addon... I've done the research very recently and that's the best we could come up with |
| 09:16.31 | Adrine | Heheh. Fair enough. |
| 09:16.41 | AnduinLothar | and it's what ala, ctprofiles and thottbot use |
| 09:16.51 | Adrine | I saw that ctprofiles used that, yeah. |
| 09:17.00 | Adrine | So I didn't figure I stood much of a chance. But eh. |
| 09:17.03 | Adrine | Although... |
| 09:17.47 | Adrine | I'm looking at Thott's data, and there may be some implicit restraints by level/type/slot. Need more data to be sure...but if so, then it'd be easy to write an ilevel-to-stat converter and then filter by the restraints. |
| 09:18.09 | Adrine | For example, random property mail chestpieces all seem to have the same suffixes available. |
| 09:18.29 | Adrine | At least the 6 I've looked at so far! :) |
| 09:19.09 | AnduinLothar | ya, I don't have a large enough database yet to make assumptions liek that |
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| 09:45.30 | Corrodias | they just had to kill smartpet, didn't they |
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| 09:50.59 | ckknight | woot, you can now send AceOO objects across the stream with AceComm :-) |
| 09:54.21 | Corrodias | disco! |
| 09:55.09 | Corrodias | face to face, and back to back, you see and feel my sex attack |
| 09:55.31 | Corrodias | which isn't a disco song, but it's playing now |
| 09:56.39 | ckknight | lol |
| 09:58.34 | Corrodias | argh... looks like a lot of people have problems with TipBuddy lately |
| 09:58.59 | Corrodias | one less entertaining part of playing WoW is how you can't be sure that you'll be able to use your addons in the next version. >:/ |
| 09:59.36 | ckknight | yea... |
| 09:59.38 | ckknight | oh well |
| 09:59.44 | Corrodias | i wonder if my oldass version will still work. |
| 10:01.10 | DoomGaze3 | hmmm |
| 10:01.40 | DoomGaze3 | you know how the partyframe displays a red lightning bolt on it when a member is offline? |
| 10:01.57 | Corrodias | i believe i remember that, yes |
| 10:02.06 | DoomGaze3 | where the heck is the code for that? |
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| 10:03.11 | AnduinLothar | AceOO objects? |
| 10:03.24 | ckknight | yea |
| 10:03.39 | AnduinLothar | how is that different than sending a table? |
| 10:03.59 | DoomGaze3 | aha! found it... |
| 10:04.03 | ckknight | objects have all sorts of metatables and such, as well as functions and such attached that are unnecessary to send |
| 10:04.21 | ckknight | e.g. if you want to send a Dog across the stream, you want to send its name, height, size across |
| 10:04.36 | ckknight | but you don't want to send across :Bark() or .id or what have you |
| 10:04.56 | AnduinLothar | so um... how is this different thana serialized table? |
| 10:04.59 | ckknight | so you serialize the Dog, send it across the stream, deserialize it, and you have Rover back from the dead |
| 10:05.42 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, they're quite similar, except that it is specific to AceOO objects with proper serialization and deserialization |
| 10:06.00 | AnduinLothar | right... so how is that different? |
| 10:06.00 | ckknight | actually, it basically sends across { "className", object:Serialize() } |
| 10:06.14 | ckknight | with a slightly altered header |
| 10:06.27 | ckknight | it's not too different, it just handles things transparently for you |
| 10:06.42 | AnduinLothar | so... a table with a string for a variable name? |
| 10:07.04 | ckknight | it's the first value |
| 10:07.45 | AnduinLothar | i guess what i'm missing is what an AceOO object is used for and why it it important to preserv it's name |
| 10:08.08 | ckknight | well, classes have to be identified, in order for them to be deserialized properly |
| 10:08.20 | AnduinLothar | why's that? |
| 10:08.27 | ckknight | if you don't send an identifier across, you won't be able to tell the difference between a Dog and a Cat |
| 10:08.50 | AnduinLothar | "Dog" ~= "Cat" |
| 10:08.59 | ckknight | that's what className is for, AL |
| 10:09.11 | ckknight | className == "Dog" in my example |
| 10:09.20 | AnduinLothar | if it has the same name does it matter? |
| 10:09.31 | ckknight | so it sends across { "Dog", "Rover", 52, 13 } |
| 10:09.40 | ckknight | then turns that back into an AceOO object |
| 10:09.55 | ckknight | I don't understand your question |
| 10:10.04 | AnduinLothar | how bout we start with something simple. What is an AceOO object? |
| 10:10.33 | ckknight | AceOO is an Object Orientation framework |
| 10:10.38 | ckknight | with classes and objects and whatnot |
| 10:10.42 | ckknight | Dog would be a class |
| 10:10.56 | ckknight | Dog:new("Rover") gets you an instance of that class |
| 10:10.57 | Corrodias | oh, so fubar is your thing. |
| 10:11.02 | ckknight | that instance would be the object |
| 10:11.09 | ckknight | Corrodias, yea, I'm the author of FuBar |
| 10:11.15 | DoomGaze3 | ugh! wtf happened to the events page! |
| 10:11.32 | AnduinLothar | mmm, so an instance of a clas you're calling an object |
| 10:11.47 | ckknight | I should've called it an instance before :-P |
| 10:11.52 | AnduinLothar | but it's still just a lua table.. |
| 10:11.53 | ckknight | terminology ftl |
| 10:12.03 | ckknight | yes, with metatables attached and such |
| 10:12.11 | ckknight | AceOO instances have a lot of extra information |
| 10:12.24 | ckknight | what mixins, class, instances they inherit and whatnot |
| 10:12.26 | AnduinLothar | so the only difference is int he metatables? |
| 10:12.54 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, and the overall structure. There's proper inheritance and multiple-inheritance |
| 10:13.26 | AnduinLothar | so you're passing the inheritance, assuming the other side has that and reconstructing it? |
| 10:13.28 | ckknight | and a separation between classes and objects |
| 10:13.37 | AnduinLothar | as oppossed to passing the whole thing |
| 10:13.42 | ckknight | well, I'm passing the identifier "Dog" |
| 10:14.01 | ckknight | and since the other side should have it registered, it should be able to reconstitute |
| 10:14.26 | AnduinLothar | ok, so you're passing the class name and the arguments used to instantiate the table |
| 10:14.30 | ckknight | so instead of sending all the information and having two separate Dog classes or whatnot, it'll just reconsititute it on the other end properly as if it were a locally-created Dog |
| 10:14.35 | ckknight | exactly |
| 10:14.52 | AnduinLothar | and your instance somehow stores this info? |
| 10:14.54 | ckknight | well, deserialize the table. instantiation is slightly different |
| 10:15.02 | ckknight | yes, in self.value or whatnot |
| 10:15.16 | AnduinLothar | ok, so you're serializing the args |
| 10:15.22 | AnduinLothar | since they can be tables |
| 10:15.26 | ckknight | yes |
| 10:15.35 | AnduinLothar | ok. now it makes more sense to me |
| 10:15.39 | ckknight | Basically, object.class:Deserialize(object:Serialize()) is equivalent to object. (Though not reference equal) |
| 10:15.52 | AnduinLothar | but i'm still fuzzy on why you need to pass them |
| 10:16.17 | ckknight | pass the args? |
| 10:16.24 | AnduinLothar | the instantiation |
| 10:16.40 | AnduinLothar | why would it be important to pass a whole instantiation |
| 10:16.48 | ckknight | um, kicks? |
| 10:16.56 | AnduinLothar | useful? |
| 10:17.04 | ckknight | yea, it could be quite useful and handy |
| 10:17.08 | ckknight | e.g. |
| 10:17.25 | ckknight | self:SendCommMessage("WHISPER", "OtherDude", SomeObjectIHave) |
| 10:17.44 | ckknight | then on the other side, he gets the object back, in its full form |
| 10:17.56 | AnduinLothar | i fully understand the need to pass tables... |
| 10:18.13 | AnduinLothar | i'm wondering why you would want to pass an instantiation |
| 10:18.21 | ckknight | it's the difference of passing a struct vs. passing an object |
| 10:18.24 | ckknight | it's just OO-ness |
| 10:18.40 | AnduinLothar | unless of course you're using instantiates objects for absolutely everything |
| 10:18.49 | ckknight | basically, yes. |
| 10:19.17 | ckknight | most things in Ace2 are some form of object, class, or mixin |
| 10:19.31 | AnduinLothar | makes for more work to transfer then |
| 10:19.43 | AnduinLothar | and slower |
| 10:19.52 | ckknight | not necessarily at all |
| 10:20.29 | AnduinLothar | you know what, I don't wanna know |
| 10:20.46 | AnduinLothar | if it makes your life easier, congrats |
| 10:20.50 | ckknight | what's the difference between sending across a struct (i.e. table) that holds some data and sending across an object that holds some data? |
| 10:21.21 | AnduinLothar | a table is just serialization, yours is more overhead |
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| 10:22.57 | AnduinLothar | not that that's necissarily bad if the structure is such that it makes it easier to handle |
| 10:23.00 | ckknight | for one, no extra data is sent across the stream, and for two, there'd have to be a table-to-object translation anyway if you're using AceOO objects |
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| 10:23.44 | AnduinLothar | yeah, this whole table-to-object translation thing i'm not getting |
| 10:23.57 | ckknight | Ace2 doesn't have to work with straight tables |
| 10:24.01 | ckknight | it can instead work with objects |
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| 10:24.14 | AnduinLothar | um... |
| 10:24.17 | ckknight | so if I send a dog across the stream, I can do object:Bark() right away |
| 10:24.25 | ckknight | and the dog will bark. |
| 10:24.29 | AnduinLothar | except a dog isn't a lua structure |
| 10:24.35 | ckknight | it is now! |
| 10:24.53 | AnduinLothar | um.... no it's a table that has the attributes of a dog.. |
| 10:25.14 | ckknight | right |
| 10:25.46 | ckknight | and it can inherit from Mammal, then Animal, and all that very simply |
| 10:26.32 | AnduinLothar | good, happy for you |
| 10:26.33 | ckknight | basically, I think your issue is simple structs (standard lua tables) vs. OOP-style objects |
| 10:27.22 | AnduinLothar | yup, you got it. OOP makes my head hurt. |
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| 10:27.31 | ckknight | ah, okay |
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| 10:27.56 | ckknight | with OO, I can make dogs |
| 10:27.58 | ckknight | dogs with feelings |
| 10:28.01 | ckknight | that can :Love() |
| 10:28.15 | ckknight | along with assorted other useful objects |
| 10:28.21 | AnduinLothar | it's code, if the oop doesn't make it easier to conceptualize then it's just unneccissary overhead imo |
| 10:28.40 | ckknight | it makes it so much easier for me, especially for complex structures |
| 10:29.24 | AnduinLothar | of which i don't see many in wow |
| 10:29.39 | ckknight | I'l make a better example |
| 10:29.45 | ckknight | unit frames |
| 10:29.51 | ckknight | UnitFrame:new("player") |
| 10:29.57 | ckknight | UnitFrame:new("target") |
| 10:30.03 | ckknight | UnitFrame:new("party1") |
| 10:30.08 | ckknight | you don't see that as useful? |
| 10:30.26 | AnduinLothar | yes yes, i know how it works and how to use it. It's weel drilled into my head |
| 10:30.57 | AnduinLothar | and i use it where there is a lot of repetition |
| 10:31.09 | ckknight | alright |
| 10:31.32 | AnduinLothar | but 9 time out of 10 in my personal experience, it's easier for me to just think of it as a function with multiple return arguments |
| 10:31.49 | AnduinLothar | because that makes sense to me |
| 10:31.59 | ckknight | where did the return arguments come from? |
| 10:32.16 | AnduinLothar | new is a function |
| 10:32.25 | AnduinLothar | UnitFrame.new |
| 10:32.25 | ckknight | true |
| 10:32.44 | AnduinLothar | and it returns arguments |
| 10:32.55 | AnduinLothar | in oo those arguments are always ina table |
| 10:33.05 | AnduinLothar | or an object as it were |
| 10:33.15 | ckknight | okay... |
| 10:33.23 | ckknight | this is an issue? |
| 10:33.43 | AnduinLothar | but if i just want to return two arguments... i don't want to make an object to pass that info unless it logicly makes sence |
| 10:34.08 | AnduinLothar | and much of the time it's more efficient to generate multiple unrelated variables |
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| 10:34.16 | AnduinLothar | and return them with the same function |
| 10:34.20 | ckknight | you probably wouldn't use straight objects for that, you'd use methods of some library or other class/object |
| 10:34.29 | ckknight | imho |
| 10:35.07 | ckknight | well, a nice thing about the Ace2 structure, which is highly-object-oriented, with its multiple inheritance, you can mix in hooking, events, database-handling, communications, etc. all extremely simply, on-demand, and at your leisure. |
| 10:36.08 | AnduinLothar | but do those go together in an object smaller than an addon? |
| 10:37.18 | ckknight | well, they act like libraries specifically customed for your object |
| 10:37.59 | ckknight | so really, doing self:RegisterEvent(...) would be the same thing as doing AceEvent.RegisterEvent(self, ...) |
| 10:38.05 | ckknight | and such |
| 10:38.10 | ckknight | so it simplifies things a lot |
| 10:38.18 | AnduinLothar | if you say so |
| 10:38.29 | AnduinLothar | makes things more complicated imo |
| 10:38.35 | ckknight | and it's not as if new functions are created, they're merely placed upon the addon |
| 10:39.10 | ckknight | how is using object/self-specific libraries more complicated? |
| 10:39.40 | AnduinLothar | you have to know what you're inheritting |
| 10:39.50 | ckknight | you do |
| 10:40.07 | ckknight | MyAddon = AceAddon:new("AceHook-2.0", "AceEvent-2.0") |
| 10:40.10 | ckknight | how is that complicated? |
| 10:40.18 | ckknight | I know explicitly that I'm using hooking and events |
| 10:40.29 | ckknight | if I want to add more, I just add another argument |
| 10:40.56 | ckknight | it allows you to fine-tune your addon to use exactly what you want and nothing more |
| 10:41.08 | AnduinLothar | you can do that anyway |
| 10:41.22 | AnduinLothar | without having to inherit |
| 10:41.38 | ckknight | this is true |
| 10:41.41 | ckknight | but why not inherit? |
| 10:41.53 | ckknight | it makes things a lot more localized, self-contained |
| 10:41.58 | ckknight | and thus easier to maintain |
| 10:42.29 | AnduinLothar | i can understand having a single addon object |
| 10:42.36 | ckknight | alright |
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| 10:42.51 | AnduinLothar | and i can understand having objects for frequently duplicated structs |
| 10:43.02 | ckknight | right |
| 10:43.14 | AnduinLothar | but you can have an object without inheriting |
| 10:43.27 | ckknight | this is true, but what's the difference? |
| 10:43.36 | ckknight | inheritance adds features |
| 10:43.50 | AnduinLothar | when you inherit you have to follow the trail through the inheritence to figure out what you have |
| 10:43.52 | ckknight | (and it's still only one table, since metatables are shared) |
| 10:44.02 | ckknight | actually, it's typically explicit |
| 10:44.34 | AnduinLothar | unless the objects you inherit inherit something themselves |
| 10:44.41 | ckknight | and as long as you document properly (which I'm sure both you and I do), there should be no issues |
| 10:46.12 | ckknight | well, in a lua context, it's unlikely you'll get a structure that's more than 1-parent deep |
| 10:46.21 | ckknight | especially if you KISS |
| 10:48.13 | AnduinLothar | so... you're not serializing whole addons.... what are you serializing that's small enough to be send through chat and still big enough to merit an object? |
| 10:49.09 | AnduinLothar | you know what.. i think i know what the comm gap is here |
| 10:49.42 | ckknight | yes. |
| 10:49.49 | AnduinLothar | I make objects too.. i just make them with an arbitrary standard as opossed to by instancing them |
| 10:49.52 | ckknight | comm gap? |
| 10:50.34 | AnduinLothar | like this listener object: |
| 10:50.39 | AnduinLothar | Telepathy.Listeners[id][currMethod] = { callback=callback, partialCallback=partialCallback }; |
| 10:50.53 | ckknight | well, I mean, you can send a table across AceComm really easily |
| 10:51.01 | ckknight | sending an AceOO instance is just an added feature |
| 10:51.44 | AnduinLothar | Telepathy.Listeners is a table, indexed by addon ids, indexed by methods containing a table of callback types |
| 10:51.55 | ckknight | okay |
| 10:51.57 | ckknight | you can do :SendCommMessage("WHISPER", "Ckknight", { "data", 52, { a = 1, b = 2} }) |
| 10:52.49 | AnduinLothar | as oppossed to making a listener object and passing it to my Listeners database |
| 10:53.29 | ckknight | I think we're talkingabout two different things at the moment |
| 10:53.54 | ckknight | by listener, what do you mean? a closure to receive data from the stream? |
| 10:54.22 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 10:54.54 | ckknight | okay |
| 10:55.08 | AnduinLothar | i was just illustrating the difference between what i think of as a table and what you would probably have implemented using an object |
| 10:55.29 | ckknight | in Ace2, the API is :RegisterComm("prefix", "distribution" [, "methodName" or func ]) |
| 10:55.46 | ckknight | actually, I use flat structs for most things |
| 10:55.57 | ckknight | and my "listeners" are kept in standard lua tables |
| 10:56.09 | AnduinLothar | well the listeners was jsut an example |
| 10:56.14 | ckknight | I think that was mostly a library choice |
| 10:56.36 | ckknight | I try to make my libraries as lightweight as possible, while still being featureful |
| 10:56.47 | AnduinLothar | but i'm trying to think of an instanced object that would be useful to pass |
| 10:57.54 | AnduinLothar | but i'm not gonna try any more on that front. i need to sleep |
| 10:58.06 | AnduinLothar | i'm happy for you |
| 10:58.14 | ckknight | alright |
| 10:58.15 | ckknight | cya |
| 10:59.00 | AnduinLothar | I'm still trying to impliment version tracking and debating whether i want to include it in Telepathy |
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| 11:00.11 | ckknight | what's Telepathy? |
| 11:00.14 | ckknight | haven't heard of it |
| 11:00.17 | AnduinLothar | but it's not really a lib... it's more active, so i'll probably just make it a dependant lib |
| 11:00.45 | AnduinLothar | it's the Sky rewrite for 1.12. Direct competition for AceComm |
| 11:01.17 | ckknight | ooh |
| 11:01.18 | ckknight | fun. |
| 11:01.22 | ckknight | I don't want to compete, btw |
| 11:01.33 | ckknight | I just want to offer the users the best |
| 11:01.48 | AnduinLothar | retoric fo r the same thing |
| 11:02.27 | AnduinLothar | but it's fine. Ace has it's own cult following. Can't use AceComm without using Ace |
| 11:02.36 | ckknight | yes you can |
| 11:02.39 | ckknight | I made it so you can |
| 11:03.00 | AnduinLothar | but will anyone? |
| 11:03.00 | ckknight | AceComm:embed(myNamespace) |
| 11:03.02 | ckknight | tada. |
| 11:03.42 | ckknight | in the same light, will anyone use Telepathy? |
| 11:04.09 | AnduinLothar | nope, just me. no one uses my libs |
| 11:04.19 | ckknight | yep, same here |
| 11:04.39 | ckknight | wait, no, nvm |
| 11:04.40 | ckknight | people do |
| 11:08.04 | ckknight | lighten up, it's just for fun |
| 11:08.37 | AnduinLothar | sorry. i'm not very friendly when i'm tired |
| 11:08.46 | ckknight | go get some sleep, man |
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| 11:41.40 | Corrodias | wow, if fubar and its plugins work, i won't need titan panel at all. |
| 11:41.54 | Corrodias | which was probably the whole point |
| 11:42.05 | ckknight | actually it was mostly coincidence |
| 11:42.06 | Kirkburn | um, yeah |
| 11:42.28 | Kirkburn | Or have I missed some deeper meaning here? |
| 11:42.32 | ckknight | I was writing a bunch of separate addons, clock, durability, experience, etc. |
| 11:42.46 | ckknight | then I was like, man, it's hard to make these line up straight |
| 11:42.51 | ckknight | and I'm reusing a bunch of code |
| 11:42.55 | ckknight | this'd be easier with a core |
| 11:43.01 | ckknight | and so I made a core |
| 11:43.05 | Kirkburn | From small beginnings ... |
| 11:43.06 | ckknight | with a little bar thingy |
| 11:43.25 | Corrodias | it's a good thing you did. i read bad things in the current titan comments threads. |
| 11:43.25 | ckknight | and then I realized "hey, this could be pwnful" |
| 11:43.52 | ckknight | you know what's the single greatest feature, imho, that FuBar has over Titan? |
| 11:44.00 | Corrodias | working correctly? |
| 11:44.10 | ckknight | though important, not the most important |
| 11:44.17 | ckknight | documentation. |
| 11:44.50 | ckknight | knowing how to properly make plugins, with proper documentation |
| 11:44.53 | Corrodias | titan doesn't have good docs? or any? |
| 11:45.44 | Kirkburn | 0.12.0.5567 patch note highlighted changes: http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/notes/enUS/5561?diff=1 |
| 11:45.47 | chuckg_ | It's not like Titan is some terribly confusing piece of code. |
| 11:45.51 | Corrodias | well, there. i've downloaded all the addons that have caught my eye. |
| 11:46.00 | ckknight | chuckg_, confused the hell out of me |
| 11:46.07 | chuckg_ | Writing plugins? |
| 11:46.19 | ckknight | no, reading Titan itself |
| 11:46.33 | chuckg_ | Oh, I didn't look over it. |
| 11:46.39 | chuckg_ | But it wasn't hard writing stuff for it. |
| 11:46.55 | ckknight | I think FuBar's is much cleaner/nicer now |
| 11:47.09 | ckknight | I need people to take over my plugins for it, though |
| 11:47.11 | chuckg_ | With 2.0? |
| 11:47.13 | ckknight | they eek out too much time |
| 11:47.16 | chuckg_ | Haven't poked around w/ it yet. |
| 11:47.28 | chuckg_ | I'm not a big fan of the whole "find it on svn" thing going on with the Ace community. |
| 11:47.28 | Corrodias | 2.0 has issues, from what i read |
| 11:47.30 | ckknight | I prefer to focus on my libraries and such |
| 11:47.36 | ckknight | Corrodias, example? |
| 11:47.48 | ckknight | chuckg_, it's not released yet, is all |
| 11:47.50 | Corrodias | wait, i meant version 2 of Titan, not 2.0 of something else. my mistake. |
| 11:47.58 | chuckg_ | Oh I didn't mean your pluging directly ck. |
| 11:47.58 | Corrodias | not 2.0 at all, it's 2.something |
| 11:48.04 | chuckg_ | I meant the community as a whole. |
| 11:48.07 | ckknight | oh |
| 11:48.12 | ckknight | yea, it has that stigma, I agree. |
| 11:48.20 | Kirkburn | Yes, Titan 2 has bugs - it's had several different developers |
| 11:48.27 | Corrodias | i dislike the idea of having to search a forum for new addons |
| 11:48.37 | ckknight | I agree. |
| 11:48.55 | ckknight | FuBar has had one author (me), but different visions for it |
| 11:49.02 | ckknight | first it was totally hackish |
| 11:49.10 | ckknight | then around 1.0 things slightly stabilized |
| 11:49.22 | ckknight | then at 1.2 things became library-dependant (a good thing) |
| 11:49.28 | Kirkburn | Yay! |
| 11:49.29 | Kirkburn | "A soul shard will be refunded to the caster any time a summoned pet despawns rather than dies. " |
| 11:49.50 | ckknight | then I wrote Ace2 (which is just a development platform for FuBar-2.0, which coincidentally can be used for other things) |
| 11:49.56 | ckknight | and now there's FuBar-2.0 |
| 11:50.05 | ckknight | which is a very nice development platform |
| 11:50.20 | ckknight | cause FuBar's not just a product anymore, it's a platform |
| 11:50.23 | ckknight | and I've kept that in mind |
| 11:51.04 | chuckg_ | I don't even know what that means. |
| 11:51.15 | Corrodias | eerie parallels to microsoft and .NET here |
| 11:51.29 | chuckg_ | Sounds like calling windows not so much an OS, more of a "jumpstart into the WORLD of tommorow." |
| 11:51.44 | Corrodias | fubar's not just a platform any more, it's a strategy |
| 11:52.00 | Corrodias | holy balls i am tired |
| 11:52.02 | ckknight | Hey, you just wait for FuBar 2007 SE Professional |
| 11:52.22 | chuckg_ | As long as it improves my FPS. |
| 11:52.24 | ckknight | it's more about providing interfaces to work with than a single, creaky core |
| 11:52.29 | chuckg_ | And promises to give me porn blocking, I'm all in. |
| 11:52.45 | ckknight | sorry, I can't promise you less porn |
| 11:52.48 | Kirkburn | ckknight, purveyor of WoW solutions |
| 11:52.48 | ckknight | not in the contract |
| 11:53.03 | ckknight | for a better tomorrow, Kirkburn |
| 11:53.29 | Kirkburn | Will you promise more porn instead? |
| 11:53.46 | ckknight | well, you can texture FuBar with porn, technically. |
| 11:53.54 | Corrodias | perk |
| 11:54.59 | Kirkburn | Pert |
| 11:55.25 | ckknight | Perl |
| 11:55.32 | Corrodias | my list of addons that i used to use that may not work now is saddening. :( but i won't find out until tomorrow, because i must sleep before then. |
| 11:55.55 | Corrodias | although i have alternatives for many of them! |
| 11:56.34 | ckknight | what happens tomorrow? |
| 11:56.58 | Corrodias | i'll -probably- reactivate my account... and i'll be able to stay awake |
| 11:57.01 | Kirkburn | Bruce Willis saves us from armageddon |
| 11:57.04 | Neronix | I'm only keeping my mods on the SVN because it's not release-worthy :P |
| 11:57.05 | Corrodias | i'm half asleep now |
| 11:57.11 | Neronix | but the SVN's a wonderful thing for users |
| 11:57.36 | Neronix | if they understand that bleeding edge has risks |
| 11:58.11 | Corrodias | speaking of risks |
| 11:58.24 | Corrodias | i get to find out what addons freak when they find savedvariables from old versions |
| 11:58.48 | Corrodias | and i recall that i made minor fixes to several addons i was using, so i need to catalogue those for reapplication if necessary... |
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| 12:00.21 | ckknight | SVN is great for developers |
| 12:00.23 | ckknight | not users |
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| 12:03.23 | Corrodias | itemsync sounds nifty. |
| 12:04.10 | Corrodias | though i enjoy being able to see the info about items that haven't been seen, as provided by lootlink, the comments about lootlink recently cite what might be performance issues, little pauses when doing certain things. i must keep a careful eye on how that goes. |
| 12:04.27 | Tuplad | KCI > Itemsync |
| 12:05.07 | Kirkburn | Time fo' luncheon |
| 12:06.36 | Corrodias | with linknet & linkview? perhaps i'll try that as well |
| 12:11.56 | Tuplad | Corrodias: ye |
| 12:15.32 | Neronix | ckknight: How not for users? |
| 12:15.54 | Neronix | They get the bleeding edge, they can give feedback on the code on the SVN |
| 12:16.09 | Neronix | And they get stuff before all the other users |
| 12:17.22 | zenzelezz | code being on the SVN doesn't have to mean it's optimized or working as intended; and people already think a mod costs money when WinRAR's nag screen pops up... SVN for users on average is too hard =D |
| 12:18.33 | Tuplad | hah |
| 12:19.37 | Neronix | I thought the "not-for-nublets" part went without saying :P |
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| 12:21.41 | ckknight | Neronix, alright, general users |
| 12:22.59 | Neronix | I'm obviously a user as well as a coder |
| 12:23.07 | ckknight | right. |
| 12:23.12 | ckknight | and I'm just a coder |
| 12:23.16 | Neronix | It's wonderful to be able to do svn up ./* and get everything up to the second |
| 12:23.25 | ckknight | I use you and people like you to test stuff for me |
| 12:23.31 | Neronix | and if I see a bug, I alt-tab to IRC, tell the author |
| 12:23.39 | Neronix | then 90 seconds later I update again |
| 12:23.51 | Neronix | rather than waiting hours or even days for a mod site release |
| 12:26.19 | ckknight | hehe |
| 12:26.44 | ckknight | just be respectful enough to file a bug when I tell you to file a bug |
| 12:26.50 | ckknight | sometimes I'm busy |
| 12:28.08 | Neronix | I see |
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| 13:02.31 | Corrodias | know what we could use? a fubar pvp cooldown addon |
| 13:02.48 | Corrodias | and i just got that weird feeling like somebody's going to tell me to make it instead of complaining |
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| 13:30.40 | Kaelten | Corrodias: sounds, cool, I look forward to seeing your work :) |
| 13:30.45 | Corrodias | lol |
| 13:32.09 | Corrodias | well, once i've gotten back into WoW, it's possible that i may do something, but i'm not very good, i'd say, so it would better for the users if someone else did it. |
| 13:32.20 | Corrodias | however, it may not be necessary. i'll see if these other addons i got still work. |
| 13:33.33 | Corrodias | this is assuming i start playing wow again tomorrow, which i think i am in the mood for. |
| 13:33.38 | Kaelten | heh |
| 13:33.39 | Kaelten | wb |
| 13:35.10 | Corrodias | i think this time i'll try to stay away from the forums |
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| 15:33.08 | Kaso | woah full screen interface opitions |
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| 16:03.32 | Corrodias | actually, a wow forum flame war sounds like ripping good fun right about now |
| 16:03.41 | Corrodias | i shall enjoy my day tomorrow, which i keep putting off to read PvP comics |
| 16:17.31 | cogwheel | Can you override certain aspects of inherits in XML? like will this work? <FontString inherits="GameFontHighlight" font="\Fonts\consola.ttf"/> |
| 16:18.06 | Rallion | i think so |
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| 16:43.21 | Mikk | ahhh lurvly. 28.5C @ puter. |
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| 16:49.48 | Mikk | cogwheel: yes |
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| 17:01.13 | JoshBorke | Mikk: status bars are in |
| 17:04.59 | Mikk | Whoot! =) |
| 17:05.08 | JoshBorke | you should mess around with the numbers for me though :-D |
| 17:05.15 | JoshBorke | hm, maybe i'll just make that an option |
| 17:05.21 | Mikk | the %? yeah i think so |
| 17:05.24 | JoshBorke | solo'ing doesn't produce numbers you need :-D |
| 17:05.31 | Mikk | it'll be very different in different places |
| 17:05.34 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 17:05.36 | JoshBorke | blah |
| 17:05.40 | JoshBorke | i'll do that later tonight |
| 17:05.48 | JoshBorke | jeeze, 1pm already? |
| 17:05.59 | Mikk | no, 7pm. and i woke up an hour ago :-P |
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| 17:06.14 | JoshBorke | even worse :-P |
| 17:06.17 | Mikk | aye =) |
| 17:09.58 | cogwheel | anyone know how to programmatically change the font of an EditBox? I tried SomeEditBox:SetFont("\\Fonts\\fontname",14) and i also tried: |
| 17:09.59 | cogwheel | local children = {SomeEditBox:GetChildren()} |
| 17:10.01 | cogwheel | for _,child in ipairs(children) do |
| 17:10.02 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.04 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.05 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.07 | cogwheel | end |
| 17:10.09 | cogwheel | to no avail... |
| 17:10.41 | cogwheel | (SomeEditBox:GetChildren() returned nil, in fact...) |
| 17:11.34 | beNson__ | i don't really script for wow, but aren't there font objects? |
| 17:12.23 | beNson__ | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#FontInstance |
| 17:12.49 | cogwheel | Yeah... i'm looking at that now... |
| 17:14.09 | beNson__ | so what's the return value of SetFont("path", 14)? |
| 17:14.31 | cogwheel | Wait... i think i got it now... |
| 17:15.29 | cogwheel | looks like i had written the path wrong |
| 17:15.58 | beNson__ | -.- |
| 17:16.03 | beNson__ | :P |
| 17:16.13 | cogwheel | Sometimes it just takes asking someone else how to do something for you to be able to figure it out for yourself ;P |
| 17:17.42 | beNson__ | guess so =) |
| 17:22.40 | Hexarobee | are lua hash keys case sensitive? |
| 17:22.48 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 17:22.49 | cladhaire | that depends on what you mean |
| 17:22.57 | cladhaire | just keys in a table? |
| 17:22.58 | cladhaire | yes =) |
| 17:23.02 | Hexarobee | im using opponent's name to save state of a game in a hash |
| 17:23.13 | JoshBorke | it's case sensitive |
| 17:23.16 | Hexarobee | ya thx |
| 17:23.21 | Hexarobee | i can tolower it |
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| 17:28.39 | Hexarobee | grr ok |
| 17:28.41 | Hexarobee | no wait |
| 17:28.42 | Hexarobee | thatll work |
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| 17:51.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | boopa doopa doo |
| 17:52.05 | Cairenn | lol, okay |
| 17:52.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | don't mind me i'm just insane |
| 17:52.42 | Cairenn | welcome to the clud |
| 17:52.44 | Cairenn | club* |
| 17:52.56 | JoshBorke | ooo, can i join the club? |
| 17:53.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | Oh, no one answered me before, what's the range or whatever on TargetNearestEnemy (or hitting tab?) |
| 17:54.01 | JoshBorke | beats me |
| 17:56.48 | zenzelezz | 41 feet or something by default... but can be altered |
| 17:56.54 | zenzelezz | let me see if I find the link |
| 17:59.28 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowwiki.com/Config.wtf_defaults -- search for "nearest" |
| 17:59.37 | zenzelezz | they said 50 was max |
| 18:00.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 18:00.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay |
| 18:00.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | 41's good cause that's my max range on shooting, i was just wondering, it seems shorter sometimes |
| 18:01.38 | zenzelezz | probably not a coincident :) |
| 18:06.26 | Abenadi | is there a built-in function to see if a table value already exists? |
| 18:07.24 | Shadowed | if( table ) then |
| 18:07.26 | cladhaire | if table[key] then |
| 18:07.30 | Abenadi | its not keyed though |
| 18:07.39 | cladhaire | what do you mean |
| 18:07.49 | cladhaire | either a table is keyed, or its empty =) |
| 18:08.02 | Shadowed | if you want to see a specific value exists and you're adding the values through table.insert you'll have to go through it one by one and search |
| 18:08.07 | Abenadi | well I wouldn't know the key, its number-indexed and built using only table.inserts |
| 18:08.13 | Abenadi | ok thanks shadowed |
| 18:08.19 | cladhaire | then you have to search the values |
| 18:09.34 | JoshBorke | erm, how do i make my text appear over my slider? my text is already 'OVERLAY' |
| 18:10.07 | Shadowed | Should just be able to use FrameText:SetText( "foo" ); |
| 18:10.50 | JoshBorke | s/slider/statusbar/ |
| 18:10.56 | JoshBorke | the text is there, but once my statusbar starts increasing the value, the text gets hidden behind the statusbar |
| 18:11.21 | Shadowed | not sure then! havn't done any work with statusbar |
| 18:11.47 | AnduinLothar | it said i only had to shot 10 ducks.. |
| 18:11.50 | AnduinLothar | i shot 110 |
| 18:11.55 | AnduinLothar | and nothing happened |
| 18:12.09 | JoshBorke | you have been thwarted |
| 18:12.09 | AnduinLothar | i want my free computer |
| 18:12.28 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 18:13.57 | JoshBorke | dwarfs run too slow |
| 18:14.22 | cladhaire | LFG for World Dragons, PST |
| 18:14.51 | zenzelezz | I remember hearing that when I was horde |
| 18:15.00 | zenzelezz | always wondered if they meant the big four |
| 18:15.20 | cladhaire | Scryer, Somnus, Chronalis and the red one =) |
| 18:15.31 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 18:15.41 | zenzelezz | not as bad as Emeriss & co then |
| 18:15.55 | Shadowed | they're fun though! |
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| 18:19.42 | cladhaire | but noone ever wants/needs to do them |
| 18:19.46 | cladhaire | cause of the UBRS cockblock =( |
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| 18:21.21 | Kaso | LBRS you mean? |
| 18:21.28 | cladhaire | no, the 3 UBRS runs |
| 18:21.35 | cladhaire | LBRS has been easier than anticipated =) |
| 18:22.13 | Kaso | in the old days the LBRS bit was by far the most painful bit |
| 18:22.34 | Kaso | those damn documents :< |
| 18:22.53 | Tem | Soling Chronalis is fun |
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| 18:23.19 | Tem | Last night I had a new soloing experience |
| 18:23.32 | Tem | I solod emperor thaurissan |
| 18:23.50 | Tem | we were only 4 to begin with and we underestimated him |
| 18:23.55 | Tem | he killed our tank and a healer |
| 18:24.02 | Tem | all that was left was me and a priest |
| 18:24.11 | Tem | the priest just tanked the princess |
| 18:24.27 | Tem | keeping himself alive and her busy while I kited and killed the emp by myself |
| 18:24.32 | Tem | it was crazy, crazy fun |
| 18:25.03 | JoshBorke | good job :-) |
| 18:25.19 | Kaso | the end of brd is a suprsingly fun, i just think too many people are put off by the first half |
| 18:33.44 | Mikk | aye, i've done some crazy emps too |
| 18:33.59 | Mikk | underestimating the room and pulling the last two aoe pulls along with the princess and the emp, and everyone oom =) |
| 18:34.49 | Mikk | (only four to begin with also, of course :-)) |
| 18:35.12 | Kirkburn | bbl |
| 18:36.00 | Mikk | in other news, http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_%28API%29 has gotten a total makeover, and will now instruct anyone with half a brain on EVERYTHING they need to know about registering for events, etc. just point em there. |
| 18:36.07 | Mikk | if they don't get it, they're unteachable :-P |
| 18:36.28 | JoshBorke | Mikk: just commited HealthMon with all the changes you requested: can change percentage to 1,2,3,4,5,10 times the percentage of maximum health. the numbers display the raw value and the statusbar shows the amount of health it eats times the percentage you choose :-D |
| 18:37.12 | Shadowed | Mikk: Your event page is broken in IE7 by the way |
| 18:37.12 | JoshBorke | Mikk: the little bars with DTPS and HTPS :-) |
| 18:37.15 | Mikk | ok so, it's 100%, 50%, 33%, 25%, 20%, 10% health |
| 18:37.25 | Shadowed | The text is completly aligned to the right |
| 18:37.28 | Mikk | Shadowed: A curse on microsoft! |
| 18:37.45 | JoshBorke | no, the statusbar value is set by: avgDPS/_MaxHealth(unit)*100*(perc multiplier) |
| 18:37.54 | Shadowed | stop complaining and go fix it! |
| 18:38.03 | Mikk | JoshBorke: aight. ok. pardon for being thick :-) |
| 18:38.10 | Mikk | Thanks a bunch! Will definitely go test :-) |
| 18:39.52 | Mikk | Shadowed: It's doing it in IE6 too. And how the hell the browser can come to the conclusion that that's the best way to render the table escapes me utterly. |
| 18:40.03 | Mikk | There's one cell to the left with a width of 2.5em |
| 18:40.08 | Mikk | Then another cell to the right with the text in it |
| 18:40.36 | Mikk | purl, bugger Internet Explorer |
| 18:40.42 | purl | ACTION grabs hold of the Eiffel tower, dips it in Tabasco and fresh metal shavings, and asks Internet Explorer to please bend over. |
| 18:40.56 | Shadowed | may want to add some sort of padding between the event name and the dotted line divider, looks kind of odd since the underscores overlap on it |
| 18:41.13 | Mikk | I'll get to it. Just need a walk. This 28.5C temp at the puter is starting to get to me :-P |
| 18:41.22 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 18:41.29 | JoshBorke | http://img420.imageshack.us/my.php?image=healthmonnw7.jpg |
| 18:41.33 | JoshBorke | blasted |
| 18:41.52 | Tuplad | wrong chat josh ?:p |
| 18:42.02 | JoshBorke | multiple windows ftl |
| 18:42.08 | Tuplad | :< get Opera |
| 18:43.38 | Shadowed | blasphemy! |
| 18:44.21 | Tuplad | Tupac - Blashempy was just playing in my foobar ... :O |
| 18:44.57 | Shadowed | mind reading is my second hobby after playing wow |
| 18:45.11 | Tuplad | :D |
| 19:08.58 | Adrine | Mornin', all |
| 19:09.10 | Cairenn | hi Adrine |
| 19:09.40 | JoshBorke | Adrine! |
| 19:09.41 | JoshBorke | LTNS! |
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| 19:11.36 | Adrine | Yeah, I know :) |
| 19:11.50 | Adrine | We restructured our firewall at work, which, among other things, meant cutting off IRC outbound. |
| 19:11.59 | Adrine | So no IRC for me at work. But oh well. |
| 19:13.19 | JoshBorke | holy mother of pearl |
| 19:13.31 | JoshBorke | i just got feared from drek's room to the east tower |
| 19:14.39 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: hot =) |
| 19:14.45 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:16.53 | JoshBorke | Adrine: so, anything new? |
| 19:48.32 | Adrine | Well, (I answer a half hour later...) I'm working on a thott/alla/etc type site. |
| 19:48.47 | Adrine | I kept wanting XML-RPC interfaces into their data, so I decided to roll my own :) |
| 19:49.20 | Adrine | (And I'm going to put XML-RPC/SOAP interfaces in it for others) |
| 19:49.28 | Adrine | Oh, and I got married. |
| 19:49.36 | Hexarobee | i want to use CreateFrame() to make an instance of a GameFont template, it seems i cant use FontString as the type of frame to create, do i have to make a wrapper Frame-type template or what? |
| 19:50.44 | JoshBorke | Adrine: congrats |
| 19:51.08 | JoshBorke | Hexarobee: frame:CreateFontString() is what you want |
| 19:51.34 | JoshBorke | where it is <frame>:CreateFontString(<name>,<layer>) |
| 19:52.24 | Hexarobee | and it returns a handle? |
| 19:52.38 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 19:52.48 | JoshBorke | then SetFontObject(GameFont) |
| 19:52.49 | Hexarobee | thx |
| 19:53.17 | Hexarobee | f:SetFontObject("GameFontNormal"); |
| 19:53.17 | Hexarobee | ? |
| 19:53.42 | JoshBorke | don't need quotes |
| 19:53.55 | JoshBorke | SetFontObject on the font string handle :_) |
| 19:54.58 | Hexarobee | ya f is the handle |
| 19:55.23 | JoshBorke | yep yeppers |
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| 20:41.21 | Cairenn | cogwheel: what is luaslingermono a plugin for? |
| 20:41.30 | cogwheel | LuaSlinger |
| 20:42.34 | Cairenn | okay, for future reference, when uploading plugins, you don't upload to that category, you go to the mod it's pluging into and click on the "upload plugin" option :p |
| 20:42.49 | cogwheel | LuaSlinger isn't on WoWI.com ;) |
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| 20:43.01 | Cairenn | well why not? :p |
| 20:43.04 | Shadowed | something not on WoWI? those bastards |
| 20:43.14 | cogwheel | It's not *my* mod... ;) |
| 20:43.27 | Cairenn | then it isn't a plugin, it belongs in Dev Utilities :p |
| 20:43.32 | cogwheel | OK... |
| 20:43.37 | Gryphon | :o |
| 20:43.38 | cogwheel | works for me |
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| 20:49.55 | Mikma | neat, 105 errors after updating |
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| 21:35.24 | Abenadi | say I create a frame with CreateFrame(), and then I want to not only hide the frame but destroy it in memory, is it possible to do that? |
| 21:35.55 | cogwheel | I'd suspect you could do frame = nil... but that would be entirely a guess... |
| 21:35.57 | Thrae | Abenadi: A created frame cannot be destroyed. The best you can do is remove it from the global namespace, if you had a reference. |
| 21:36.15 | Abenadi | I have a reference, not sure what you mean by remove it from the namespace |
| 21:36.37 | Abenadi | I'm just wondering because I'm going to be creating up to 2000 of these frames and then not need them any more |
| 21:36.43 | Thrae | CreateFrame("Frame", "Foo", Parent) <-- adds "Foo" as a reference to this frame in the global gamespace |
| 21:36.50 | Thrae | s/game/name/ |
| 21:37.45 | Thrae | Abenadi: With current implementation, it's impossible to just remove a frame from memory once created. |
| 21:38.05 | Abenadi | ok... I guess I will find a more 'responsible' way of managing the created frames then, thanks. |
| 21:38.57 | Thrae | To those wondering, yes, you can remove all references to the frame in Lua, but EnumerateFrames() will still return a reference to it, hence it's still in memory. |
| 21:42.10 | cladhaire | Use PerfectFramePool =) |
| 21:43.35 | cogwheel | is that kind of a CompostLib for frames? |
| 21:43.54 | ckknight | yes, PerfectFramePool increased my length and girth by a total of 25%! |
| 21:44.08 | Thrae | PerfectFramePool is what IFrameFactory was suppose to be? |
| 21:44.20 | ckknight | yea |
| 21:44.30 | cladhaire | i dunno what iframefactory was |
| 21:44.49 | cladhaire | http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/PerfectFramePool-2.0_API_Documentation |
| 21:45.05 | Thrae | IFrameFactory tries to reuse as many frames as possible that were created through the IFrameFactory API. It's up on the SVN. Not sure how far the author got. |
| 21:45.26 | Thrae | cladhaire: I'm guessing since it starts with "Perfect", it's your work eh? |
| 21:45.34 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 21:45.36 | cogwheel | Do any of you use LuaSlinger? I made a small addon that gives it monospaced font (it's always hurt my brain trying to write code in a proportional font)... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5218-LuaSlingerMono.html |
| 21:45.38 | cladhaire | i can't ever think of names |
| 21:45.43 | Thrae | Hehe |
| 21:45.54 | Thrae | "NotOverlySubtleFramePool" ;) |
| 21:46.00 | cladhaire | its really... simple.. to say the least |
| 21:46.03 | ckknight | Perfect does seem kind of self-righteous |
| 21:46.08 | cladhaire | MediocreFramePool |
| 21:46.18 | ckknight | AdequateFramePool |
| 21:46.21 | cladhaire | ckknight: Understandable.. but it started with PerfectTooltip |
| 21:46.29 | cladhaire | which got that name because it was perfect for me. |
| 21:46.34 | ckknight | alright |
| 21:46.36 | cladhaire | since i code for myself more than anything =) |
| 21:46.49 | ckknight | I code for food |
| 21:46.56 | cladhaire | ~burger |
| 21:46.57 | purl | well, burger is a round patty of minced beef, fried or grilled and typically served in a bread roll. |
| 21:47.05 | cladhaire | mmmm |
| 21:47.12 | cogwheel | ~ebola |
| 21:47.16 | ckknight | ~internet |
| 21:47.17 | purl | the internet is not something you can just dump on, it's not a big truck, it's a series of tubes. |
| 21:47.19 | ckknight | ~wrists |
| 21:47.20 | purl | Remember, emo kids, it's down the street, not across the road! |
| 21:50.00 | Hexarobee | http://wowi.pastey.net/129?lang=xml i did something that made my main frame, wowChess, stop showing up, anybody see what i did? |
| 21:50.09 | Hexarobee | been tryign to find it for the past hour |
| 21:50.57 | Hexarobee | the commented out stuff was what i was adding, so commented it out to try and get it back |
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| 21:56.46 | Technetium | hrm |
| 22:14.43 | Abenadi | what does this runtime error mean? - table index is NaN |
| 22:15.49 | Hexarobee | my guess it means your doing something like myColor = colors[5]; |
| 22:15.58 | Hexarobee | instead of myColor = colors["tedsfavorite"]; |
| 22:16.11 | Hexarobee | NaN = |
| 22:16.14 | Hexarobee | Not a Number |
| 22:16.24 | cogwheel | or for that matter, index = 1/0 ..... myColor[index] |
| 22:16.27 | Abenadi | ah thanks |
| 22:16.46 | Technetium | any c++ programmers in here? |
| 22:16.47 | Abenadi | the line is CombatMonitor_Pixels["DD"][xpoint] = f; I'm guessing that xpoint is nil or 0 |
| 22:17.03 | cogwheel | technetium i might be able to help you |
| 22:17.07 | Hexarobee | ive compiled c++ programs before ;) |
| 22:17.15 | Technetium | I'm recruiting |
| 22:17.25 | Hexarobee | for what |
| 22:17.26 | cogwheel | oic.... what for? |
| 22:17.38 | Technetium | heh |
| 22:18.08 | Abenadi | hmmm or maybe xpoints is -1.#IND ... have no idea what that means |
| 22:18.13 | Technetium | I'm updating some basecode I did for wow back in the alpha |
| 22:18.23 | Technetium | blp2 code |
| 22:18.41 | Technetium | I did kind of pioneer it ;P |
| 22:19.27 | cogwheel | hmmm... I've got a bit too much on my plate atm... I'm actually getting ready to apply for Law School... |
| 22:21.06 | Technetium | that's why I'm recruiting |
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| 23:05.01 | kergoth | cogwheel: hmm, if you shift+click an item that sells in a stack, like 200 of a given type of ammo, and enter 4 there, it buys one stack. it'd be more intuitive for it to buy 4 stacks |
| 23:05.06 | kergoth | cogwheel: (buyemall, naturally) |
| 23:07.17 | Flyoc | I can't shift-click ammo for some reason |
| 23:07.30 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 23:10.38 | cogwheel | kergoth, I posted an addendum to the readme file on my wowinterface portal |
| 23:11.31 | cogwheel | My next version will modify the frame so I can make it say something to that effect. Also, I might make a couple configuration options. |
| 23:12.53 | kergoth | ah okay, cool |
| 23:13.11 | kergoth | thanks for the info |
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| 23:19.54 | Kirkburn | Heh, Blizz have an official WoW myspace now :O http://www.myspace.com/worldofwarcraft |
| 23:22.52 | Tuplad | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.54 | Tuplad | I bet they didnt make it |
| 23:25.16 | Kirkburn | It is official |
| 23:25.48 | Kirkburn | Or are you suggesting Mr Murdoch made it? :P |
| 23:26.14 | Tuplad | :O |
| 23:26.18 | Tuplad | Im a dwarf priest by their tests :\ |
| 23:26.35 | Tuplad | bs, Im a holy warrior and I defend the light :| |
| 23:28.36 | Kirkburn | I'm a human priest |
| 23:28.39 | Kirkburn | We're too nice :P |
| 23:28.53 | Rallion | okay...it's time to add bank support to my addon...let's hope this goes well. |
| 23:29.29 | Gngsk | omg, the tavern music ! |
| 23:29.39 | Rallion | one big problem with my addon at present is that there's a lot of functions, and they're not incredibly consistent with the naming... |
| 23:43.08 | Rallion | so this is kind of a strange and specific question, but does anybody know of any editor that's particularly good for a) switching around LUA functions or b) renaming LUA functions/variables (beyond find/replace) ? I need to do these things very very often. |
| 23:45.20 | cladhaire | sed =) |
| 23:49.44 | Rallion | oh, so helpful :P |
| 23:50.27 | cogwheel | clad, do you know if scite can do regex in its search and replace? i know it does for search.... |
| 23:51.06 | cladhaire | i'm not sure tbh |
| 23:51.13 | cladhaire | yeah it can |
| 23:51.15 | cladhaire | there's a checkbox for it. |
| 23:51.35 | cladhaire | and i don't even get google ads for the svn =( |
| 23:51.43 | cladhaire | but that would be "Zomg slow" |
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