| 00:00.11 | Hexarobee | im missing trog start tho |
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| 00:53.11 | clad|dinner | http://imagelink.org/info/4615 |
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| 00:55.22 | Cide | clad|dinner: that's pretty cool |
| 00:55.51 | Kirov | how is that made? |
| 00:55.51 | clad|dinner | Cide: I've been running it for a day and a half now or so |
| 00:56.14 | Cide | I noticed when auto complete didn't work |
| 00:56.18 | Kirkburn | ooh, nifty |
| 00:56.22 | clad|dinner | http://jibble.org/piespy/ specifically |
| 00:56.26 | Kirov | hmm |
| 00:56.41 | Cairenn | so in other words I should go back to babbling my head off? |
| 00:56.44 | clad|dinner | I found it while looking at colleges |
| 00:56.53 | clad|dinner | Cairenn: hehe =) |
| 00:57.14 | Kirov | Does it work just by monitoring who we prefix our messages to? |
| 00:57.20 | Cairenn | and here I figured everyone appreciated the fact that I've shut up |
| 00:57.38 | clad|dinner | Kirov: It uses heuristic algorithms on directed messages, as well as temporal messaging |
| 00:57.42 | Tain | haha I'm way off in the corner |
| 00:57.46 | clad|dinner | so not entirely, but it does help it =) |
| 00:57.48 | clad|dinner | Tain: YOu have a friend :P |
| 00:58.00 | clad|dinner | http://imagelink.org/info/4614 that's the #wowace one. |
| 00:58.02 | clad|dinner | its retarded =) |
| 00:58.04 | Kirov | tain - messing with the linking |
| 00:58.12 | Kirov | Tain - doing it some more |
| 00:58.17 | clad|dinner | hehe |
| 00:58.22 | Kirov | Tain - and again |
| 00:58.23 | zespri_work | Cairenn, you sound as if you didn't feel valued p) |
| 00:58.35 | Cairenn | just messing around |
| 00:58.36 | Kirov | kergoth - woot woot |
| 00:58.43 | Tain | heh |
| 00:58.51 | Kirov | kergoth - *throws a lure out to catch what he can" |
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| 01:05.57 | cogwheel | Should I feel special that i'm in the middle? |
| 01:06.04 | cogwheel | :P |
| 01:06.05 | AnduinLothar | you talk a lot |
| 01:06.13 | AnduinLothar | at least recently |
| 01:06.57 | Kirov | hmm |
| 01:07.01 | Kirov | there's no line from me to al |
| 01:07.13 | Kirov | I guess it doesn't understand my humor |
| 01:07.33 | Cide | I wonder what relationships purl will have with people |
| 01:07.47 | Cide | bonking everyone |
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| 01:08.16 | Cairenn | wb Iriel |
| 01:08.27 | Kirov | eek |
| 01:08.32 | Kirov | Everyone hide the drugs! |
| 01:08.39 | Cide | I think my line goes to you, Kirov... but it goes straight through Shadowed :) |
| 01:08.48 | Cairenn | Kirov: ? |
| 01:08.51 | Kirov | Cide - yeah, wasn't sure about that either |
| 01:09.04 | Kirov | Cairenn - Iriel's back ... |
| 01:09.20 | Cairenn | yeah? so? It's me you need to be afraid of :p |
| 01:09.23 | Kirov | Cairenn - and he usually eats all my cookies |
| 01:09.23 | Iriel | Are you worried I'll steal them? Or just disapprove? |
| 01:09.24 | norganna | everyone, jump 'im |
| 01:10.32 | AnduinLothar | drugs? where? |
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| 01:14.47 | Kirov | It was only half a page ... of double spaced 24pt font |
| 01:15.01 | Kirov | no big loss |
| 01:18.55 | zespri_work | If I were blizzard and had unlimited funding I'd still implement a system that marks a thread that enters the addon space as belonging to a certain addon. I realize that it many case this would be inaccurate, because addons hook each others and what not. But it's still better then nothing. Having that it would be possible to implement simple profiling to find out where addon thread spend most time. Again, not accurate, but better then nothing, an |
| 01:19.07 | Hexarobee | its cuz of that 3hr rant between cogwheek and rozr about if's and for's |
| 01:20.15 | Kirkburn | Sounds exiciting |
| 01:20.27 | Kirkburn | Did it get all philisophical? |
| 01:21.24 | Hexarobee | or did philosophical get all it |
| 01:25.21 | Iriel | How is that wish significantly different from the best-effort userspace profilers available today? |
| 01:30.23 | Hexarobi | anyone wanna play a game of chess? |
| 01:30.36 | Hexarobi | i know people have downloaded my addon but for the life of me i cant find any of em to play against ;) |
| 01:30.40 | AnduinLothar | so iriel. we worked on a split fuction for Sea a while back. I realized out a few days ago that it doesn't allow for empty strings between sepperators |
| 01:31.20 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Are you sure that wasn't deliberate? There are two flavors of split operator in the wild and some do and some dont? |
| 01:31.47 | AnduinLothar | i can't think of any reason why it shouldn't |
| 01:31.51 | AnduinLothar | http://pastebin.ca/110955 |
| 01:32.12 | Iriel | If you're using it to parse slash commands, empty strings are probably not what you want |
| 01:32.41 | Iriel | All you need to do is remove the + from the regexKey, I think |
| 01:33.04 | Iriel | Hm, skip that 8-) |
| 01:33.19 | Iriel | Replace the + with a * |
| 01:33.49 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, well the immediate use is parsing table indexes which should never have .. in them |
| 01:34.28 | AnduinLothar | lemme see if Satellite uses it for parsing /com |
| 01:35.15 | AnduinLothar | doesn't look like it |
| 01:35.50 | zespri_work | >>best-effort userspace profilers |
| 01:35.53 | zespri_work | Which are? |
| 01:36.17 | Iriel | I dont rememeber their names, but there are some things out there that attempt to do memory profiling by hooking lots of normal entrypoints |
| 01:36.29 | Iriel | They could be adapted to do time profiling too |
| 01:36.51 | zespri_work | Iriel, 1) do they work with WoW, 2) do they profile speed? |
| 01:37.09 | zespri_work | you just answered number 2 |
| 01:37.20 | Iriel | It's wow ones I'm thinking of |
| 01:37.36 | Iriel | Depending on what you're trying to do their usefulness will vary between 'lots' and 'none whatsoever' |
| 01:38.21 | Iriel | But that's sort of where the 'first addon hit' attribution would end up as well |
| 01:38.30 | zespri_work | so any google keywords you can tip me on? What I'd like to get is some gauge in respect which addons consume more resources and which less |
| 01:39.14 | Iriel | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4843 |
| 01:39.35 | zespri_work | cheers |
| 01:39.55 | Iriel | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4053-TraceEvent_-_Dynamic_Lua_code_profiling.html |
| 01:40.49 | zespri_work | I never knew those exist. More over I didn't know it's possible to implement a profiler purely with lua |
| 01:41.00 | AnduinLothar | mmm, looks liek mcom uses it for slash commands |
| 01:41.27 | AnduinLothar | spose i can add an arg to specify inclusion of empty strings |
| 01:42.38 | zespri_work | I don't use wowinterface, Cairenn, that's why it's the last place I remeber to check when I'm looking for something =) |
| 01:42.51 | zespri_work | I should keep it in mind |
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| 01:47.12 | Kirkburn | Haha, I like paragraph 2 of Paul Thurrot's Windows Live Messenger review (http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/wlm.asp) :D |
| 01:48.24 | AnduinLothar | that the one that merged with yahoo? |
| 01:49.03 | Kirkburn | um, no |
| 01:49.11 | Kirkburn | Interoperable, though |
| 01:49.18 | AnduinLothar | yeah, that |
| 01:49.42 | AnduinLothar | they collaborated on a new format, no? |
| 01:50.12 | Kirkburn | Sort of |
| 01:50.36 | Kirkburn | One that can send between services - but it's not fully compatible though |
| 01:50.51 | Kirkburn | Along the lines of trillian, I think |
| 01:51.29 | Kirkburn | Blizzard are so mean with their job opp ads ... the latest is for " a Level Designer with experience in creating 3D RTS game toolsets such as Warcraft 3" |
| 01:51.49 | Kirkburn | So does this mean they're working on War4? Or StarCraft 2? |
| 01:52.19 | Kirkburn | Or what? My poor expectation-addled brain :( |
| 01:53.03 | Kirkburn | Oh, and another new job opp ... note the last word ... "The Cinematic Animator will be skilled at realistically animating the movements of humanoids, beasts and machines" |
| 01:54.46 | Iriel | Diablo 3, the RTS? |
| 01:54.48 | MentalPower | that can apply to SC, WC and Diablo universes |
| 01:55.05 | MentalPower | since all three have humanoids, beasts and machines in them |
| 01:55.20 | Hexarobi | werd |
| 01:56.27 | Kirkburn | They play with us so much |
| 02:06.14 | zespri_work | can someone explain me (I know there is an explanation, I just happen not to know it) Why balancing shaman vs paladin is something special that needs to be done? |
| 02:06.38 | zespri_work | what kind of balance were they trying to maintain? |
| 02:06.41 | Cide | it wasn't necessarily done to balance them |
| 02:07.16 | Cide | but to allow the designers to differentiate more between the two, without messing up raid balance and the like |
| 02:07.23 | Hexarobi | the people that balance classes didnt wanna have to deal with balancing a totally new class |
| 02:07.32 | Cide | that's not the reason Hexarobi, no |
| 02:08.19 | zespri_work | It doens't make much sense for me. Can you give an example of a change that would be ok, but is not because of the shaman and paladin |
| 02:08.21 | Cide | they got locked into having the two classes have pretty much equal abilities |
| 02:08.38 | zespri_work | they are not equial at all |
| 02:08.45 | Cide | they had to make them more equal |
| 02:08.49 | Cide | look at the implementation of tranquil air totem |
| 02:09.03 | zespri_work | shaman and paladin are very different: plate and mail, pally shields, shammys versatility |
| 02:09.13 | zespri_work | I can't see how they are sooo similar |
| 02:09.21 | Cide | question: do you raid? |
| 02:09.31 | zespri_work | no |
| 02:09.59 | Cide | they aren't similar enough |
| 02:10.02 | zespri_work | I've been in MC 3 times, but didn't enjoy it |
| 02:10.04 | Cide | which creates an imbalance |
| 02:10.29 | Cide | and in order to balance that, every ability paladins have needs to have a counterpart for shaman (and vice versa) |
| 02:10.35 | Tain | Salvation alone makes it an imbalance. |
| 02:10.38 | zespri_work | imbalance like what? I'm genuinely trying to understand. |
| 02:10.45 | Cide | salvation. |
| 02:10.48 | Cide | totems versus blessings |
| 02:11.04 | Tain | If totems affected raid-wide it would be different. |
| 02:11.04 | Cide | a shaman can buff one group with 4 buffs at most, and one class will only benefit to one, two at most |
| 02:11.21 | Cide | paladins, however, can buff the whole raid for 15 minutes, and give every single player a buff that is useful to them |
| 02:11.24 | zespri_work | but isn't it the same with all classes more or less. wearing mail and plate on my opinioin quite a big difference |
| 02:11.27 | Kirkburn | It's amazing how easily simple shapes become a real object in our minds ... a circle and a short line becomes a magnifying glass, for example |
| 02:11.44 | Cide | zespri: difference between mail and plate doesn't do *anything* in raids |
| 02:11.52 | Tain | Yeah it really doesn't zespri |
| 02:12.00 | Cide | with 4 paladins, you have everyone in the raid with 3-4 useful buffs |
| 02:12.16 | Kirkburn | I can't decide whether to go to bed 2nite |
| 02:12.17 | Kirkburn | hrm |
| 02:12.25 | Cide | without costing mana from buffs dropping when they time out (15 minutes), and when you move (mobile buffs versus static totems) |
| 02:12.26 | Tain | In raids neither Shamans nore Paladins are taking melee damage (much) |
| 02:12.30 | Kirkburn | Poll: should I go to bed tonight? |
| 02:12.32 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: yes |
| 02:12.43 | Kirkburn | But I'm not tired :( |
| 02:13.02 | Cide | almost any damage non-tanks take in raids are magic, from various aoes |
| 02:13.13 | Kirkburn | (I'm a difficult child =) |
| 02:13.39 | Cairenn | well, much as you may enjoy it, I'm not going to take you over my knee and spank you :p |
| 02:13.42 | Tain | zespri there really is just entirely different metagames in the game. 5 man (or less) pve, pvp and 40 man raids. They are completely different. |
| 02:13.59 | Cide | and paladins completely dominate shaman in two of the three |
| 02:14.01 | Kirkburn | awww :( |
| 02:14.07 | AnduinLothar | cair, you killed his fanisty |
| 02:14.08 | Cide | yes, regardless of frost shock |
| 02:14.15 | Kirkburn | cair, you killed his spell checker |
| 02:14.35 | AnduinLothar | mmm, spell checker for xchat? where |
| 02:14.45 | Kirkburn | There, there, there on the stair. Right there. |
| 02:14.47 | Tain | I don't know about dominate, but at least have the edge. Dominate in raids yeah. But I at least still like Shamans a lot in 5 man groups and pvp |
| 02:15.08 | Tain | Whereas in a 5 man group I could take or leave a Paladin. |
| 02:15.26 | AnduinLothar | unless you're doing a dead zone |
| 02:15.35 | zespri_work | ok so the deal is that the balance issue is that the same encounter may be easier for one faction then for the other if the classes are not balanced right? |
| 02:16.06 | Tain | That is the case today, definitely. |
| 02:16.27 | Tain | I always snickered a little at it. But I've now done MC as both Horde and Alliance and there's no comparison in my mind. |
| 02:17.16 | Tain | I never did BWL as Horde, but I think it's similar since I can't see anywhere Shamans would be better to have. |
| 02:17.34 | AnduinLothar | ballence = they have to be equally whined at for neglecting or over doing one or more semi-needed things |
| 02:18.42 | Tain | On the other hand Horde is hugely stronger PVP side (in my opinion) even if for no other reason than it's much easier to gain pvp ranks as Horde due to almost universally shorter bg queues. |
| 02:18.52 | AnduinLothar | pallies get healers bitching at them for topping off and everyone else whining to keep the damn buffs up constantly |
| 02:19.27 | AnduinLothar | shamam at least don't have to listen to whining from anyone but their grp |
| 02:22.21 | Tain | Of course I played a Shaman in EQ for years, the single most buffing everyone under the sun class ever to live in a game.. |
| 02:22.39 | AnduinLothar | if a dpser gets a shaman in their party it's "yay windfury". if they get a pally it's "yay aura". but everyone in the raid expects pally buffs no matter how many there are |
| 02:22.49 | Cide | and actually |
| 02:23.12 | Cide | paladin are much more useful compare to shaman in BWL than in MC |
| 02:23.51 | Cide | due to aggro-sensitive fights, where salvation is extremely useful (vael, broodlord, 3 drakes to some extent) |
| 02:23.58 | Cide | they have cleanse for chrom |
| 02:24.00 | Tain | Well yeah I couldn't think of any situations I've been in BWL (still new at BWL though) that a Shaman adds a lot. |
| 02:24.21 | Tain | But Salvation is just stupidly stronger to a raid than anything a Shaman can do. |
| 02:24.44 | Cide | in AQ, there's a lot of moving around (sartura, twin emps, c'thun, not sure about ouro, but very spread out on that fight) |
| 02:25.42 | Cide | in naxx, a lot of the fights you're spread out or moving (heigan, noth, faerlina, um...) |
| 02:25.45 | zespri_work | ok thank you guys for explaining that to me |
| 02:26.18 | zespri_work | but here is the question |
| 02:26.51 | zespri_work | some classess will always be less useful the other in raids. why being faction only class make them care? |
| 02:27.00 | Cide | exactly |
| 02:27.23 | Cide | because if warlocks are useless in one fight, so what? still the same for horde and alliance |
| 02:27.38 | Cide | if shaman are useless but paladins not, alliance will have a much easier time killing, and thus progressing, than horde |
| 02:28.20 | Cide | and vice versa naturally, but that doesn't happen as often (only fight that comes to mind is viscidus, which is even optional) |
| 02:28.47 | zespri_work | so it's okey that warlocks progress more slowly but not okey to faction to progress more slowly? or there is no such think as personal progerssion? |
| 02:29.04 | Cide | um, I don't understand that argument at all |
| 02:29.11 | Cide | warlocks progress as fast as others in general |
| 02:29.22 | zespri_work | ok. |
| 02:29.35 | zespri_work | they just less wanted |
| 02:29.37 | Tain | There really isnt' personal progression. You only progress as much as your guild progresses. |
| 02:30.03 | AnduinLothar | unless you change guilds often |
| 02:30.17 | Cide | and even then, your usefulness on a specific fight is irrelevant |
| 02:30.31 | Tain | Yeah you're just a cog. |
| 02:30.43 | Cide | unless it imbalances the factions on that fight... |
| 02:31.33 | zespri_work | ok, makes sense |
| 02:31.55 | Cide | and even then, it's not really a big deal usually |
| 02:32.10 | zespri_work | the cog part is why I don't like raiding |
| 02:32.37 | Cide | it's just that blizzard has continuously (doubt it's intentional) given alliance an easier time, and over the period of 3 raiding zones, it has added up |
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| 02:36.49 | Kirkburn | Who says warlocks aren't wanted?? |
| 02:37.43 | zespri_work | it's just an example =) |
| 02:38.02 | Tain | Always need warlocks to summon the important people who are late |
| 02:38.24 | Tergiver | Just popped in to say 'hi'. I see a few familier 'faces' - hi! |
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| 02:44.29 | Kirkburn | Better than familiar faec... *stops* |
| 02:53.24 | zespri_work | you never know, Kirkburn, may be by that Tergiver meant you! |
| 02:53.45 | Kirkburn | *off |
| 02:53.57 | Kirkburn | I came back to write that. And that. |
| 02:54.36 | zespri_work | I hope you got your pants back on after that spanking |
| 02:58.48 | Kirkburn | How freaky ... I just decided to start playing an internet game (nationstates.net) ... was randomly looking around - and came across my friends nation. There's thousands on nations in this game :/ |
| 03:05.51 | Kirkburn | Haha, this is great! Someone decided to use the wayback machine to look at various websites in their 1996 forms |
| 03:05.53 | Kirkburn | http://www.msu.edu/~karjalae/internet96.htm |
| 03:10.08 | Hexarobi | http://static.curse-gaming.com/mscreens/9673.jpg |
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| 03:10.25 | Hexarobi | yo mental |
| 03:10.52 | Gngsk | Is it possible to play any file in the sound.mpq file or only those listed under interface\ ? |
| 03:11.08 | Kirkburn | ooooh, Hexarobi |
| 03:11.24 | Hexarobi | ya kirk, not mine and not complete, but very interesting ;) |
| 03:11.40 | Kirkburn | Not so sure of the self advertising though |
| 03:12.09 | Kirkburn | Nah, but still, cool :) |
| 03:14.02 | Kirkburn | Lol - CocaCola in self-deprecating mood, '96 style: http://web.archive.org/web/19961022174605/http:/www.cocacola.com/ |
| 03:16.18 | Hexarobi | nice |
| 03:16.29 | Kirkburn | having said that, looking at cocacola.com now ... it's not much better |
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| 03:42.45 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 03:42.55 | Cairenn | hey Qzot |
| 03:44.06 | Qzot | Hey, Cairenn. |
| 03:44.17 | Qzot | New mod up. wowi's exclusive. |
| 03:45.36 | Cairenn | approved |
| 03:45.43 | Qzot | Wow. That was fast. |
| 03:46.02 | Cairenn | we try |
| 03:46.29 | Qzot | Yeah. For a mod designed to have almost no UI, zero configuration, and to do as little as possible. |
| 03:51.40 | DoomGaze3 | any wowbench users around? |
| 03:53.58 | DoomGaze3 | I hate having to debug the debugger |
| 03:54.03 | DoomGaze3 | that's just wrong somehow |
| 04:04.20 | Iriel | Qzot lives!!! |
| 04:04.33 | DoomGaze3 | Qzot? |
| 04:04.56 | Cairenn | indeed he does |
| 04:05.21 | DoomGaze3 | ~poke Qzot |
| 04:05.23 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Qzot, pokes Qzot repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 04:05.57 | Iriel | DoomGaze3: The comment had nothing to do with wowbench, though, no idea who here uses that |
| 04:05.58 | DoomGaze3 | either of you use wowbench? |
| 04:06.09 | DoomGaze3 | ah |
| 04:06.11 | DoomGaze3 | dam |
| 04:06.30 | DoomGaze3 | The debugger is throwing an error so now I gotta trace the call stack :/ |
| 04:11.15 | DoomGaze3 | besides all that, I thought I'd poke him anyways |
| 04:11.38 | DoomGaze3 | ~fish Iriel |
| 04:11.39 | purl | ACTION slaps Iriel around with a large trout |
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| 04:30.13 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 04:30.28 | zespri_work | hi Esamynn |
| 04:30.42 | zespri_work | i scared him off |
| 04:31.20 | DoomGaze3 | ur pretty scary |
| 04:31.55 | DoomGaze3 | does lua have throw .. catch functionality? |
| 04:32.35 | zespri_work | no explicitly. you can use pcall to catch |
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| 04:33.25 | DoomGaze3 | what is this pcall? |
| 04:33.32 | DoomGaze3 | I'm seeing it all over wow bench? |
| 04:33.59 | Shadowed | wheee |
| 04:34.07 | zespri_work | pcall allows you to call a function and make sure that the call won't throw |
| 04:34.14 | Esamynn | pcall allows you to catch any errors that a function call throws |
| 04:34.27 | zespri_work | yeah =) |
| 04:34.47 | DoomGaze3 | dofile threw an exception on my xml and the msg it threw is nil |
| 04:34.48 | DoomGaze3 | yay |
| 04:34.51 | DoomGaze3 | now what do I do? |
| 04:36.10 | DoomGaze3 | Shadowed: Where what? |
| 04:47.06 | Shadowed | Nothing |
| 04:53.53 | DoomGaze3 | attempt to call global 'CreateFrame' (a nil value) <---- whaaaa? |
| 04:54.26 | Esamynn | did you check your spelling and capitalisation? |
| 04:55.03 | DoomGaze3 | http://pastey.net/90 |
| 04:55.03 | Shadowed | If he copied the error as is then CreateFrame should work |
| 04:55.52 | Esamynn | looks like an AddOn is mis-behaving itself |
| 04:56.01 | DoomGaze3 | mine? |
| 04:56.15 | DoomGaze3 | The ide is giving me this |
| 04:56.19 | Shadowed | think (s)he means that an addon has a function called CreateFrame |
| 04:56.25 | Iriel | I wonder if WoWBench doesn't define CreateFrame until later |
| 04:56.37 | Shadowed | mikkkkkkk |
| 04:56.46 | DoomGaze3 | I'm not using wow bench. too buggy |
| 04:56.53 | DoomGaze3 | the IDE is giving me this |
| 04:57.02 | zespri_work | exclamation and question mark over npc heads, is there any way access them from an addon? Like hide and show? I'm almost 100% that it's impossible, if anyone have a contradictiong opinion please share |
| 04:57.14 | Shadowed | nope |
| 04:57.15 | Esamynn | zespri_work: no |
| 04:57.16 | Shadowed | impossible |
| 04:57.31 | Shadowed | If something besides WoW itself is giving you the error, then it's an issue with that program, not much you can really do about it |
| 04:57.43 | DoomGaze3 | kk |
| 04:59.06 | Iriel | DoomGaze3 : What is "the IDE" ? |
| 04:59.16 | DoomGaze3 | wow ui designer |
| 04:59.32 | Iriel | I dont believe that's been well maintained with respect to the newer API calls |
| 04:59.36 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 04:59.38 | DoomGaze3 | a tad buggy, but it works great 99 percent of the time |
| 05:00.22 | Esamynn | i'm a fan of just working within the game itself, only rarely do I end up with an infiniate loop ;) |
| 05:00.50 | DoomGaze3 | string.sub(link, string.find(link, 'item:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+')) <--- on a hyperlink gives me "item:1234:0:0:432163 |
| 05:00.54 | DoomGaze3 | right? |
| 05:01.07 | DoomGaze3 | or is my pattern defunct? |
| 05:01.08 | Iriel | No |
| 05:01.11 | Iriel | You need ()'s |
| 05:01.30 | Iriel | Oh, sorry, ignore me there |
| 05:01.31 | Esamynn | no, no, he's right |
| 05:01.34 | Iriel | I didn't notice the string.sub |
| 05:01.38 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 05:01.43 | Kirkburn | This is sad: http://www.ie7.com/ |
| 05:01.45 | Iriel | that should work just fine |
| 05:01.54 | Esamynn | DoomGaze3: I perfer the gsub method myself |
| 05:01.58 | Iriel | though does it break if you have no item ID in the link? |
| 05:02.26 | DoomGaze3 | do you think I should find: :item first? |
| 05:03.07 | Iriel | Probably |
| 05:03.21 | Iriel | or just do |
| 05:03.31 | Esamynn | do string.find(link, '(item:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+)') instead, that will return the item link as the third return value |
| 05:03.41 | Iriel | local _,_,item = string.find(link, '(item:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+)') |
| 05:03.47 | Iriel | bah Esamynn beat me |
| 05:03.53 | Esamynn | 8) |
| 05:04.16 | chuckg | Guess who's taking your MVP spot now? |
| 05:04.38 | DoomGaze3 | what do the parentheses in the pattern do? |
| 05:04.46 | Iriel | Hey, nobody's taking my spot, though if it came to a vote for another one i'd say yes for Esamynn 8-) |
| 05:04.57 | Iriel | DoomGaze3 : They identify that part as a 'capture' |
| 05:05.16 | Iriel | The matching string to the pattern in parentheses is returned from the find |
| 05:05.18 | Iriel | so for example |
| 05:05.27 | Esamynn | Iriel: i'm flattered!, really I'm blushing :) |
| 05:05.38 | Iriel | string.find(link,'item:(%d+):(%d+):(%d+):(%d+)') |
| 05:06.01 | Iriel | would return the start and end locations of the whole pattern, then the four numeric pieces (as strings) separately |
| 05:06.21 | Iriel | so in your example above it would return something like 10, 30, "1234", "0", "0", "432163" |
| 05:08.13 | DoomGaze3 | okay, so then I'd want it something like: _, _, id1, id2, id3, id4 = string.find(link,'item:(%d+):(%d+):(%d+):(%d+)') |
| 05:09.09 | DoomGaze3 | then return "item:"..id1..":"..id2..":"..id3..":"..id4 |
| 05:09.10 | Esamynn | DoomGaze3: yes, exactly |
| 05:09.30 | Iriel | But only do the pieces separately if you need to process them that way |
| 05:09.32 | Esamynn | well, depends on if you need the individual numbers or not |
| 05:09.47 | Iriel | If you just need the link string, do it as one capture so lua doesn't have to mess around with more strings than it needs to |
| 05:10.19 | DoomGaze3 | ok, ok, lemmie look at pattern tutorial again... |
| 05:12.45 | DoomGaze3 | so you're saying string.find(link,'item:(%d+):(%d+):(%d+):(%d+)') would return first number for first id1 and last number for id4 |
| 05:13.34 | DoomGaze3 | and if I want the whole thing, string.find(link,'(item:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+)') |
| 05:13.40 | Esamynn | string.find returns the beginning of the matched string, then the end as position itegers, then it returns any captures defined in your pattern as aditional return values |
| 05:14.03 | Esamynn | s/itegers/integers/ |
| 05:15.06 | DoomGaze3 | so I don't even need string.sub, just _, _, strippedLink = string.find(link,'(item:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+)') |
| 05:15.32 | Iriel | and strippedLink will be nil if there's no match |
| 05:15.46 | Iriel | (whereas you get an error if you do the string.sub approach without checking for the link first) |
| 05:15.54 | DoomGaze3 | gotcha |
| 05:16.45 | Iriel | You can do crazy things like this too, if you ever get bored: |
| 05:17.00 | Iriel | string.find(link,'(item:((%d+):(%d+)):(%d+):(%d+))') |
| 05:17.23 | DoomGaze3 | First ( = first return, etc? |
| 05:17.30 | Iriel | Yes, very good 8-) |
| 05:17.59 | DoomGaze3 | okay, I think I finally got the hang of this patterns thing |
| 05:18.00 | Esamynn | you have an extra ) in there |
| 05:18.08 | Iriel | I dont think so |
| 05:18.22 | DoomGaze3 | second %d |
| 05:18.25 | Esamynn | oh wait, I see it |
| 05:18.29 | Esamynn | nm |
| 05:18.55 | DoomGaze3 | This is seriously the best IRC channel I've ever been in |
| 05:19.10 | DoomGaze3 | 99% are lame |
| 05:19.54 | Cairenn | there are some truly amazing people in here, very willing to give of their time and knowledge |
| 05:19.59 | Iriel | I think it's because anyone with the patience to remain here more than an hour or so passes a certain appropriate strangeness threshold |
| 05:20.18 | Esamynn | Iriel: well said! 8) |
| 05:22.17 | Cairenn | ya never know |
| 05:23.06 | Esamynn | damnit, apache, just do what I want! |
| 05:23.27 | DoomGaze3 | Tell me if you guys would use this: MasterLooter is a mod that allows pickup raids to quickly and easily distribute loot using a fixed point bidding system. |
| 05:24.01 | DoomGaze3 | Not only does it conduct the auction, but it also distributes loot for you and tracks points and greeds |
| 05:24.23 | DoomGaze3 | GetDKP is planned for 2.0 :D |
| 05:25.26 | DoomGaze3 | Best of all, it works out of the box. Just click an item and then click Auction with MasterLooter instead of clicking a name |
| 05:25.48 | Cairenn | night Iriel, sweet dreams |
| 05:25.51 | Esamynn | goodnight |
| 05:25.57 | Iriel | Thanks, likewise. |
| 05:26.06 | DoomGaze3 | night, thx for all ur help :) |
| 05:29.38 | DoomGaze3 | another test, just to make damn sure I got it |
| 05:29.45 | DoomGaze3 | local _, _, itemID = string.find(link, 'item:(%d+):%d+:%d+:%d+'); |
| 05:29.56 | Esamynn | DoomGaze3: yes |
| 05:30.01 | DoomGaze3 | awesomeness |
| 05:32.22 | DoomGaze3 | the single quotes denote a pattern, correct? |
| 05:35.29 | Esamynn | no, they denote a string |
| 05:35.43 | Esamynn | you could have used " and you would get the same result |
| 05:40.03 | DoomGaze3 | k |
| 05:44.00 | DoomGaze3 | this show Dead Like Me is hilarious |
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| 05:58.32 | s|loup | hi |
| 05:59.24 | Cairenn | hey |
| 06:00.24 | Esamynn | night all |
| 06:06.59 | norganna | DoomGaze3: pity they canned it |
| 06:07.50 | Cairenn | well, time for this chickie to get some sleep, night guys |
| 06:08.02 | DoomGaze3 | ya |
| 06:08.10 | DoomGaze3 | now it's on sci fi and I'm enjoying it |
| 06:09.49 | norganna | nite cair |
| 06:10.24 | norganna | DoomGaze3: i can't understand why they cancel some of the stuff they do |
| 06:10.58 | norganna | i think a lot of people would watch more tv if they advertised what they were showing on tv a bit more, and cut back on the real commercials |
| 06:11.17 | Flyoc | no. |
| 06:11.22 | Flyoc | people can just read that stuff |
| 06:11.58 | norganna | they seem to like to squeeze out show advertising in exchange for paid advertising, then wonder why things aren't popular right now, only to find out these things reach cult status 12 months after they are cancelled |
| 06:12.23 | norganna | gee, maybe if you had told people it was on.... |
| 06:20.27 | Cairenn|sleep | kinda like Firefly |
| 06:20.34 | norganna | kinda |
| 06:21.05 | norganna | firefly was almost cancelled before it aired but |
| 06:21.53 | norganna | i think with firefly there was a difference in expectation... i think the producers were expecting space vampires or something |
| 06:22.16 | norganna | "Joss Whedon... doesn't he do vampires?" |
| 06:22.28 | DoomGaze3 | Joss? Naaaaaahhhh |
| 06:22.30 | DoomGaze3 | Never |
| 06:22.40 | DoomGaze3 | That's create a Spike on his record |
| 06:23.59 | DoomGaze3 | Fox is too mainstream for that stuff now |
| 06:24.06 | norganna | i think they were expecting Buffy the Space Explorer.... |
| 06:24.34 | DoomGaze3 | I think if they wouldn't have fucked with the show in the first place, it might still be on |
| 06:24.45 | DoomGaze3 | Fox execs love to be creative tho |
| 06:25.49 | DoomGaze3 | o well, at least we still got 24 |
| 06:25.58 | DoomGaze3 | In Jack We Trust |
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| 06:31.51 | Kirkburn | Some people have odd ideas about what should be capitalised :/ I keep coming across things like "Male" on the wiki |
| 06:32.20 | Kirkburn | lol, and ... er ... "Geniteals" |
| 06:36.56 | norganna | Are they teal genitalia? |
| 06:37.08 | norganna | i'd go see a doctor about that |
| 06:37.41 | norganna | er, genetalia i mean |
| 06:37.59 | DoomGaze3 | genitalia |
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| 06:40.20 | norganna | well bugger me - i got it rigth the first time... |
| 06:40.38 | DoomGaze3 | what? Balls and vaginas? |
| 06:41.02 | norganna | who's doing what now? |
| 06:41.32 | DoomGaze3 | what? Balls or vaginas? |
| 06:41.40 | Cairenn|sleep | norgs, be careful what channel you say that in, there are some that know precisely what that means and would be only too happy to oblige you :p |
| 06:43.11 | norganna | true cair |
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| 06:43.55 | Cairenn|sleep | different strokes for different folks, and that's just absolutely fine, but I know you are straight, so ... |
| 06:51.09 | Kirkburn | I regret bringing it up now |
| 06:52.03 | DoomGaze3 | balls |
| 06:52.20 | AnduinLothar | cair sleep talking again? |
| 06:52.28 | DoomGaze3 | ya |
| 06:52.37 | Cairenn|sleep | nevah! |
| 06:52.47 | DoomGaze3 | lies |
| 06:52.51 | Kirkburn | Someone should buy her a bed |
| 06:53.09 | DoomGaze3 | or some Xanex |
| 06:53.11 | AnduinLothar | in front of the computer |
| 06:57.11 | krka | you know what would be cool? being able to irc in your sleep. you'd spout off all sorts of nonsense |
| 06:57.19 | krka | of course, no one would be able to tell the difference |
| 06:57.24 | norganna | and that;d be different how? |
| 06:57.29 | norganna | :p |
| 06:58.27 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 06:59.09 | AnduinLothar | So.. anyone want a mod that puts your micro buttons on a minimap button dropdown or is that completely unseful |
| 07:01.11 | AnduinLothar | http://macblackdeath.no-ip.com/MinimapMicroButtons.jpg |
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| 07:13.54 | DoomGaze3 | how do I empty out a string keyed table? |
| 07:16.53 | DoomGaze3 | anyone? |
| 07:17.11 | DoomGaze3 | hmm |
| 07:17.37 | AnduinLothar | table.foreach |
| 07:17.45 | DoomGaze3 | What would happen to the table values if I assign a table a new value? Like on a full table MyTable = {} |
| 07:17.59 | DoomGaze3 | values get garbaged? |
| 07:18.01 | AnduinLothar | it would erase the table |
| 07:18.14 | DoomGaze3 | that'll work too |
| 07:18.16 | AnduinLothar | and replace it with a new one |
| 07:18.24 | DoomGaze3 | beauty, that's what I want. |
| 07:18.28 | AnduinLothar | and the old values get garbage collected |
| 07:18.43 | DoomGaze3 | Damn, I think I might be getting good at this! |
| 07:18.54 | AnduinLothar | uh oh |
| 07:19.08 | DoomGaze3 | Watch out! I'm dangerous now, bitches! |
| 07:19.32 | AnduinLothar | 10 yrs to become an expert in your field |
| 07:19.44 | DoomGaze3 | huh? |
| 07:19.47 | AnduinLothar | nothing |
| 07:20.07 | DoomGaze3 | what did you you mean? |
| 07:21.14 | AnduinLothar | it suppossedly takes 10 years of intensive training to 'master' a field |
| 07:21.52 | AnduinLothar | like chess grand-master |
| 07:22.53 | DoomGaze3 | Ever seen the success graph? |
| 07:23.03 | DoomGaze3 | Or learning graph, rather? |
| 07:24.40 | AnduinLothar | mmm no |
| 07:26.11 | DoomGaze3 | It illustrates the average person's learning curve. It's defining feature is a sharp spike in expertise, followed by a small drop off, a steady rise, a small decline and a plateau before returning to a sharp spike |
| 07:26.33 | DoomGaze3 | verrry interesting |
| 07:26.59 | AnduinLothar | trilling |
| 07:34.31 | DoomGaze3 | how do I get a list of party members? |
| 07:37.32 | norganna | nite guyz |
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| 07:37.40 | DoomGaze3 | nite |
| 07:37.43 | norganna | and galz if's any |
| 07:37.45 | DoomGaze3 | hey werehamster |
| 07:37.50 | wereHamster | morning |
| 07:38.08 | DoomGaze3 | do you know how to get a list of party members? |
| 07:38.35 | DoomGaze3 | oop, nm |
| 07:38.43 | DoomGaze3 | found it |
| 07:39.13 | DoomGaze3 | all the party functions are listed under group by some archaic reasoning |
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| 07:43.02 | AnduinLothar | sleep! |
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| 07:55.44 | DoomGaze3 | if I reference a table like MyTable["Somestring"], will that give an error or will MyTable["Somestring"] equal nil? |
| 07:56.58 | AnduinLothar | if it's unnassigned it'll be nil |
| 07:57.11 | DoomGaze3 | beauty |
| 07:58.35 | Rallion | truly. |
| 07:59.02 | DoomGaze3 | I like lua. So great... invalid array references don't phase it if you're ready! |
| 07:59.13 | Rallion | but if you were to try MyTable["Somestring"]["Otherstring"], that would give an error |
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| 08:00.51 | Rallion | which is really pretty obvious if you think about it, but it's something that it's possible to mess up if you're tired enough or not paying attention...which usually describes me pretty well. |
| 08:01.26 | Kirkburn | Someone on the Cosmos team needs to go through the cosmos addons list sometime |
| 08:01.50 | Kirkburn | (by which I mean the cosmos category list, as that includes many of the dead versions) |
| 08:03.34 | Rallion | speaking of categories, are there any non-abandoned mods to the keybindings screen to make it a little easier to navigate for people with well over a hundred addons? |
| 08:08.20 | zenzelezz | that's a lot of addons :-o |
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| 08:10.25 | zenzelezz | I'm sure those that have that many have their reasons... good thing is we get to choose for ourselves =) |
| 08:11.16 | zenzelezz | I only use Auctioneer, Atlas, CTRA and my HP/rage bar addon at the moment |
| 08:13.51 | AnduinLothar | BetterKeyBindings is maintained in Cosmos |
| 08:15.37 | Shadowed | Auctioneer, CT_, Nurfed unit frames, sct and like the other 10 addons are my own |
| 08:18.24 | Shadowed | or the person who has 50 PBD for 25g each! |
| 08:21.23 | zenzelezz | hopeful |
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| 08:22.29 | Shadowed | mostly just looks like somebody trying to mess with people using Auctioneer. since theres about 10-15 ones for only 2g-6g |
| 08:23.19 | zenzelezz | I never rely on Auctioneer's data, nor do AH scan... I only use it to remember what price I sell stuff for o_O I'm too forgetful otherwise |
| 08:23.30 | zenzelezz | but I also appreciate the Informant part of the addon |
| 08:25.07 | Shadowed | I'll trust the data but when some unknown item or something I know jumps 500% in price I usually look at the indiviual item to see whats going on |
| 08:25.18 | zenzelezz | hrm... thunder outside, and my TV isn't receiving proper signals anymore o_O Must've messed up my provider |
| 08:26.05 | Shadowed | It's amusing seeing 10 rows of runecloth at 99g BO though |
| 08:26.21 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 08:26.48 | zenzelezz | Runecloth is actually a rather steady income for me... put it up for 1-2g, and it nearly always goes for BO |
| 08:27.15 | Shadowed | which is bad when you're a raider |
| 08:27.30 | zenzelezz | I don't farm much either, but you get a lot of Runecloth from some instances :) |
| 08:28.27 | zenzelezz | unfortunately I also suck at farming reputation... I won a roll for the Qiraji Spiked Hilt thingie for the Sickle of Unyielding Strength, but I'm only halfway to honored, and need exalted x.x |
| 08:28.31 | Shadowed | Vallerius: how's your next version of BFC going? |
| 08:28.56 | Corrodias | zenzelezz: better get back to grinding |
| 08:29.02 | zenzelezz | quite |
| 08:29.06 | Shadowed | would have been faster to farm money for a quel during the DM exploit then it wuold be going to exalted |
| 08:29.18 | zenzelezz | I already have my QS |
| 08:29.31 | zenzelezz | got it for 900 after the prices went back up |
| 08:29.58 | Shadowed | why go for Unyielding then? |
| 08:30.39 | zenzelezz | I've been asking myself that too... wasn't paying full attention and heard them say "warriors, paladins, hunters" (or whichever classes the item is for) "roll now" |
| 08:30.47 | zenzelezz | thankfully we've had many of the same item drop |
| 08:30.48 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 08:31.19 | zenzelezz | yesterday both Moam and Buru dropped it =) |
| 08:31.22 | Shadowed | cloak/ring are nice, the weapon isn't though |
| 08:31.36 | zenzelezz | are you mad? o_O The weapon is sweet |
| 08:31.43 | Shadowed | compared to a QS? |
| 08:32.08 | zenzelezz | they're not all that comparable in my opinion, the Sickle is more for DPS |
| 08:32.18 | zenzelezz | sure, there's better DPS weapons, but not necessarily easier to get |
| 08:32.42 | Shadowed | depends what you're doing, AQ20/ZG I don't think theres better |
| 08:32.47 | Shadowed | for main hand that is |
| 08:33.11 | zenzelezz | well, the Sickle is One-Hand IIRC |
| 08:33.33 | Shadowed | if you we're going to use a QS as main hand i'd slap you :p |
| 08:34.08 | zenzelezz | of course I wouldn't :-p |
| 08:34.43 | zenzelezz | I may not be very good with DPS setups, but I'm not *that* bad :) |
| 08:35.00 | Shadowed | nearly as bad as the warrior with 15 STR on a TF! |
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| 08:36.16 | zenzelezz | it would be sort of funny to show up with a DTC or something like that with +22 int, or some other useless enchant |
| 08:37.01 | Shadowed | Staff of shadow flame with crusader! |
| 08:38.00 | Shadowed | wow |
| 08:38.10 | Shadowed | 20% into rank 4 with 244 standing on PTR |
| 08:39.52 | Shadowed | time to go get my PVP trinket and make people hate me even more |
| 08:48.16 | krka | the chess looks cool Hexarobi, mostly because it's my ripped graphics :P |
| 08:52.50 | Industrial | url? screenshot? |
| 08:53.08 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:54.24 | Industrial | hm cool ingame chess |
| 08:54.39 | Industrial | Does a game get saved when you log out or the other person logs out? |
| 08:55.49 | AnduinLothar | funny, you're not the first person to ask that |
| 08:56.35 | AnduinLothar | I also find it funny that so many people think it's novel... Perhaps my methods aof advertizement need improvement |
| 08:56.36 | Kirkburn | The answer was no then too |
| 08:56.36 | Industrial | Well I'd imagine Ill play this when in BG queues and want it to last across sessions |
| 08:56.51 | AnduinLothar | cept there's no AI |
| 08:57.07 | Kirkburn | But he will be adding saving - they way he's done it, it's reasoably easy to add |
| 08:57.18 | AnduinLothar | but you're right, it'd be nifty if there was a way to save games |
| 08:57.30 | krka | just save the move history |
| 08:57.42 | AnduinLothar | or the current configuration |
| 08:57.42 | krka | my chess used a simple ascii notation |
| 08:57.46 | Kirkburn | You need to shout louder AnduinLothar :P |
| 08:58.13 | krka | A1B6\nA3B3\n et.c. |
| 08:58.31 | AnduinLothar | ya, apparently my shameless plugs aren't sufficient to cover such a wide sellection of addons |
| 08:59.05 | Industrial | plugin, novel, advertizement, wide selection of addons |
| 08:59.09 | Industrial | did I miss something? |
| 08:59.12 | Industrial | :S |
| 08:59.26 | Shadowed | Still like the idea of being able to play a game through the mail |
| 09:00.42 | Industrial | Shadowed, you cam play it through your bank account, just send someone the smallest ammount with a comment |
| 09:00.54 | Industrial | xD |
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| 09:01.25 | Shadowed | I'll stick to playing through the mail |
| 09:10.32 | Shadowed | bah |
| 09:10.37 | Shadowed | I slept for an hour and now i'll be up all night |
| 09:10.58 | Industrial | I finally got my sleeping petterns back to normal |
| 09:11.19 | Shadowed | staying up until 4 AM every night probably didn't help |
| 09:11.32 | Industrial | no |
| 09:11.32 | Industrial | :p |
| 09:11.38 | Kirkburn | hah, I haven't gone to bed and it's10am |
| 09:12.23 | Shadowed | Whenever I feel that i'm becomming addictied to WoW, Kirkburn makes me feel better |
| 09:12.43 | Kirkburn | Heh ... that would despite the fact I haven't played WoW for more than a month |
| 09:12.51 | Shadowed | don't ruin it |
| 09:12.54 | Shadowed | :( |
| 09:13.00 | Kirkburn | <-- ruiner :( |
| 09:13.08 | Shadowed | srsrly |
| 09:13.53 | Industrial | so like srsly liek then he was all liek LOL right so liek then i liek went like LOL too LAWL |
| 09:14.06 | Kirkburn | srsly?! |
| 09:14.14 | Industrial | ya |
| 09:14.21 | Kirkburn | NO WAI |
| 09:14.44 | Shadowed | I'm not up to date on your crazy lingo |
| 09:14.59 | Industrial | liek hah zomg pwntr LALALALAL! |
| 09:15.13 | Industrial | !!11oneoneeleventytwohtree |
| 09:15.30 | Industrial | ~emulate Industrial |
| 09:15.32 | purl | and now I'm high o/ |
| 09:15.39 | Industrial | eh |
| 09:15.41 | Industrial | who did that |
| 09:15.44 | Shadowed | lol |
| 09:15.44 | Industrial | :< |
| 09:15.53 | Shadowed | ~emulate Shadowed |
| 09:16.20 | Industrial | ~literal emulate Industrial |
| 09:16.21 | purl | "emulate industrial" is "<reply>(Ogm teh tpyoas! Mroe ceffein pls!|and now I'm high o/)" |
| 09:16.44 | Industrial | :X |
| 09:16.53 | Shadowed | ~literal emulate Kirkburn |
| 09:16.54 | purl | "emulate kirkburn" is "<reply>That sounded more normal in my head ..." |
| 09:17.04 | Shadowed | so true |
| 09:17.13 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 09:22.02 | Shadowed | since when is a moonkin not considered a beast |
| 09:23.46 | Kirkburn | humanoid? |
| 09:24.06 | Kirkburn | (and since always, afaik) |
| 09:24.17 | Shadowed | I wish i'd known that before i hit NS to hibernate |
| 09:25.31 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 09:25.44 | Kirkburn | Well, it's only said it on the tooltip ever since release, but nevermind :P |
| 09:26.24 | Kirkburn | Unless you managed to avoid Ashenvale, Darkshore, the Hinterlands ... |
| 09:26.54 | Shadowed | How dare you accuse me of paying attention |
| 09:27.21 | Shadowed | alt tabbing out with the flag was probably a bad idea though |
| 09:31.19 | Kirkburn | Dammit, what is it with people attempting to jump-start forum memes |
| 09:31.40 | Kirkburn | Today it seems to be the turn of "It has new stats?" |
| 09:31.52 | Shadowed | which item this time |
| 09:32.28 | Kirkburn | http://www.ithasnewstats.com/ |
| 09:33.03 | Shadowed | oh that |
| 09:33.08 | Shadowed | that's a couple weeks old |
| 09:33.18 | Kirkburn | Oh christ, I see now |
| 09:33.22 | Kirkburn | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-mage-en&T=179748&P=1 |
| 09:33.51 | Kirkburn | Of all the forum fads, this is one of the most boring |
| 09:34.07 | Shadowed | agreed |
| 09:39.12 | krka | levla och låt levela |
| 09:39.34 | krka | oops, wrong channel |
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| 09:42.02 | Kirkburn | you speaky english? |
| 09:42.47 | Kirkburn | Why must swedish be so incomprehensible :( |
| 09:43.20 | zenzelezz | it's not that bad |
| 09:43.31 | zenzelezz | Danish is worse |
| 09:50.02 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, i only produced 4 new addons and patched 10 others in the past month... slow month |
| 09:51.01 | AnduinLothar | oh yeah.. musta been that week of vacation with no computer |
| 09:51.22 | AnduinLothar | meh, i'll have to work harder next month |
| 09:51.31 | Kirkburn | Only 4 ... sure you weren't dead? |
| 09:51.54 | AnduinLothar | mm? |
| 09:52.02 | AnduinLothar | oh for the week, you mean? |
| 09:52.43 | AnduinLothar | well i moved like a 70 yr old for a few days after oblitterating my body water-skiing |
| 09:53.35 | AnduinLothar | skipping accross the water on your shoulder/neck 2 or 3 times at 40 mph kinda has that effect |
| 09:53.52 | Shadowed | ouch |
| 09:53.59 | AnduinLothar | kinda feels liek a sledgehammer smashing ever muscle in your body |
| 09:54.30 | AnduinLothar | and that's why after that bail i got up and skiied some more |
| 09:55.20 | AnduinLothar | for another 10 min anyway, till i was so completely wasted i had to pry my hands away from the bar to avoid killing myself |
| 09:56.08 | AnduinLothar | spose that's what happens when you rent a boat with cousins and spend 10am-6pm on the water |
| 09:57.15 | AnduinLothar | yeah.... 6 ibprophen did nothing... shoulda gotten some asprin or stolen some morphine or somehting |
| 09:58.13 | AnduinLothar | "releaves minor aches and pains" jsut doesn't cut it, no matter the dosage |
| 09:59.31 | paranoid_ | you'll notice that as the dosage increases the effect changes from "releaves minor aches and pains" to "removes life force" |
| 10:00.01 | AnduinLothar | i dunno, ibprophen make most people i know really tired |
| 10:00.45 | paranoid_ | at college I used to spend the morning popping caffiene pills and the afternoon popping ibuprofen to reduce the headaches that the overmuch caffiene gave me |
| 10:00.53 | AnduinLothar | but some how i was still able to move and think and hurt and stay up till 2am after having like 10 in the span of 6 hours |
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| 10:01.44 | AnduinLothar | mmm did have a little vodka and coke too, but it wasn't really enough to even make my buzzed |
| 10:02.11 | AnduinLothar | good thing there wasn't any heavey machinery around tho i spose |
| 10:03.37 | AnduinLothar | meh cafine pills are expenssive.. just drink some dew in the morn |
| 10:03.42 | Shadowed | alright, time to spend 3 hours trying to go to sleep |
| 10:03.43 | Shadowed | night |
| 10:03.53 | AnduinLothar | oh yeah sleep |
| 10:04.05 | AnduinLothar | i need some of that i spose |
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| 10:05.41 | Mikk | Shadowed: Rotate the day forward ftwin |
| 10:06.03 | paranoid_ | can't get dew round here |
| 10:06.40 | Mikk | Mix in a table spoon of sugar in a Red Bull. Works also :-) |
| 10:06.45 | paranoid_ | hehe |
| 10:06.56 | paranoid_ | well, a shop on the way to work sells 'Relentless' |
| 10:06.58 | paranoid_ | I tend to get that |
| 10:07.02 | Mikk | o.O |
| 10:07.15 | Mikk | Another one of those "power" drinks? |
| 10:07.34 | paranoid_ | http://www.shitsite.co.uk/review-coke-relentless-energy-drink.php |
| 10:08.45 | Mikk | Meh. Coca Cola Company. |
| 10:08.56 | paranoid_ | heh |
| 10:09.17 | Mikk | They're trying to boycot swedish breweries into NOT producing traditional soft drinks around christmas and stuff |
| 10:09.26 | Mikk | They want coke to replace it all |
| 10:09.47 | DoomGaze3 | Mikk! |
| 10:09.52 | zenzelezz | odd, they haven't tried that here |
| 10:09.52 | Mikk | O.O |
| 10:10.08 | DoomGaze3 | Now the WoWBench debugger is throwing errors. :/ |
| 10:10.12 | Mikk | Arf |
| 10:10.15 | Mikk | Where? How? |
| 10:10.33 | DoomGaze3 | It loaded my HelloWorld, but it threw an error on parsing my xml (upon tracing callstack) |
| 10:10.38 | DoomGaze3 | one sec, lemmie find the line again |
| 10:10.59 | Mikk | Errr wha.. XML parser going bonkers? |
| 10:11.02 | Mikk | That's... fun. |
| 10:11.13 | DoomGaze3 | apparently |
| 10:11.19 | Mikk | You could just send me the project if it's still doing it. |
| 10:11.21 | DoomGaze3 | I'm not entirly sure why |
| 10:11.30 | DoomGaze3 | where do I mail it? |
| 10:11.37 | Mikk | mikeclueby4@gmail.com |
| 10:11.41 | DoomGaze3 | kk |
| 10:13.07 | DoomGaze3 | Ugh, 4 megs... I hope gmail will send this |
| 10:13.48 | DoomGaze3 | Oh, btw, tortoisesvn rox |
| 10:13.54 | Mikk | Aye it's nice :-) |
| 10:14.08 | DoomGaze3 | local repo ftw |
| 10:14.36 | Mikk | Yup. I've got two SVNs at home. Crosswise for each box :-) |
| 10:15.04 | Mikk | Showing my WTF folder into it and everything just for the hell of it :-P |
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| 10:16.00 | lhunath | might as well rsync that, wouldn't want to dig through conflicts for those ;p |
| 10:17.51 | Mikk | Except I don't get a lot of conflicts when I'm the sole commiter :-) |
| 10:18.15 | Mikk | Oh... I'm not syncing between two WoW copies |
| 10:18.28 | Mikk | I'm just backing up lots of stuff on one computer to the other one and vice versa |
| 10:18.39 | Mikk | Good for when the hard drive(s) croak next time |
| 10:18.41 | lhunath | granted, except when like me you're trying to keep your desktop and laptop both in sync since you switch between them from time to time |
| 10:18.51 | DoomGaze3 | it's nice to be able to revert if you royally foobar something |
| 10:18.52 | Mikk | Yeah... that's messier |
| 10:21.06 | AnduinLothar | meh, no time for sleep... must ... watch .... stargate |
| 10:21.35 | DoomGaze3 | stargate is awesome |
| 10:21.38 | DoomGaze3 | just getting into it |
| 10:21.46 | DoomGaze3 | I love my MCE |
| 10:22.01 | DoomGaze3 | ~poke Mikk |
| 10:22.03 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Mikk, pokes Mikk repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 10:22.08 | DoomGaze3 | Email sent |
| 10:26.36 | Mikk | aight |
| 10:27.46 | lhunath | does anyone know whether/how one can extend the range of the 'target nearest enemy/friend'? |
| 10:29.12 | Mikk | yes |
| 10:29.16 | Mikk | up to 50 yards |
| 10:29.34 | DoomGaze3 | handy, that |
| 10:29.35 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Config.wtf_defaults |
| 10:29.38 | DoomGaze3 | ct does it |
| 10:30.26 | Mikk | and it's .... hmm ... |
| 10:30.33 | Mikk | "targetNearestDistance" |
| 10:30.47 | lhunath | ah, lovely, have been looking for a complete list of Config.WTF for quite some time now |
| 10:31.15 | DoomGaze3 | hey mikk, opinion question: What would be the best way to track players on a greed list? |
| 10:31.22 | lhunath | don't recon it would suffice to /reload to get those changes applied, would you .. |
| 10:31.56 | Mikk | DoomGaze3: explain |
| 10:32.16 | Mikk | Ihunath: No, use SetCVar to set them |
| 10:32.29 | Mikk | Then it's instant |
| 10:33.04 | DoomGaze3 | there are many changing things always happening in a party. If an auction isn't won, it distributes loot to the next person in a circular queue in a-z order |
| 10:33.13 | lhunath | (L, not I =) I know my name sounds weird ;x) |
| 10:33.34 | DoomGaze3 | problem is, what if someone goes offline and then comes back |
| 10:36.15 | DoomGaze3 | I'm mulling over a bunch of solutions right now and none of them seem to be useful |
| 10:36.34 | Mikk | DoomGaze3: There's a couple of solutions |
| 10:36.55 | Mikk | 1. Keep a count of how many items each member has gotten. Select the ones with the fewest wins. Sort alpha and hand out to #1 |
| 10:37.08 | Mikk | Problem: If someone joins mid instance, they get lots of loot |
| 10:37.19 | Mikk | 2. Keep a count of how many items someone has MISSED due to being offline |
| 10:37.40 | Mikk | Probably the better choice. You can cap it at e.g. #1 item for someone that's offline a long time. |
| 10:37.47 | Mikk | s/#1/1/ |
| 10:37.49 | DoomGaze3 | Right now I'm pulling out first using table.remove and table.insert ing em back on |
| 10:38.18 | Mikk | That works. Just keep a second table with people that should have gotten loot but couldn't due to being offline. |
| 10:38.36 | Mikk | If there's anyone in there, just give them the next things that drop. |
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| 10:39.50 | DoomGaze3 | there's another issue too: what if they're online, but not in range (ie close enuff or not in instance) |
| 10:40.02 | DoomGaze3 | right now, I'm cross checking master loot candidates |
| 10:42.20 | DoomGaze3 | I've got 3 tables: one that serves as a master list of players, one that tracks Master Loot candidates, and another that tracks greeds and also provides a reference to the player's master list entry |
| 10:42.43 | DoomGaze3 | Logistical Hell |
| 10:44.46 | DoomGaze3 | Did you get that email? |
| 10:54.31 | Mikk | yea |
| 10:55.11 | Mikk | I just solved it by retreiving the master loot candidate list and doing a /random roll internally in the addon :-P |
| 10:57.11 | Mikk | and if they're not in bloody range.... their problem :-P |
| 10:57.53 | MentalPower | lhunath: /console getcvarlist |
| 10:58.12 | Mikk | ...you're shitting me |
| 10:58.17 | Mikk | there's a command for it? |
| 10:58.21 | MentalPower | yes |
| 10:58.25 | MentalPower | but addons can't use it |
| 10:58.43 | MentalPower | it goes straight to the console |
| 10:58.46 | DoomGaze3 | did you get wowbench working? |
| 10:58.52 | MentalPower | WoW.exe -console |
| 10:59.09 | MentalPower | and then get into the console by using "~" |
| 11:17.10 | Mikk | DoomGaze3: Well. I've fixed the debugger bugging. It was my UTF-8 changes that caused that problem. |
| 11:17.17 | Mikk | Now to find what's actually erroring in your addon. |
| 11:17.30 | Mikk | It's something inside a CreateFrame() that going haywire. |
| 11:18.49 | DoomGaze3 | no noes! |
| 11:18.56 | DoomGaze3 | Mental gave me that function |
| 11:19.17 | MentalPower | what function? |
| 11:19.28 | DoomGaze3 | IsItemSetItem |
| 11:19.42 | MentalPower | it should still be in pastey.net |
| 11:20.14 | DoomGaze3 | he's looking at it now, he has my code |
| 11:20.17 | MentalPower | http://pastey.net/60 |
| 11:21.19 | Mikk | Well.. "ML_FakeTooltip" doesn't exist at the point where you're trying to use it as a parent... |
| 11:21.40 | Mikk | At least there's no such object in the global namespace |
| 11:21.52 | DoomGaze3 | would TestTooltip work? |
| 11:22.02 | Mikk | er wait |
| 11:22.06 | Mikk | that's the name |
| 11:22.11 | Mikk | ignore me |
| 11:22.14 | DoomGaze3 | kk |
| 11:28.11 | Mikk | CIA-11wowbench: mikeclueby4 * r111 /trunk/xmlparse.lua: xmlparse.lua: CreateFrame() with parent=nil while inheriting something would cause crashes in WOWB_ParseXML_InheritObj. Fixed. |
| 11:28.38 | DoomGaze3 | as I said, item auctions are a logistical nightmare, especially when you need to assure, with 100% certainty, that the target got the item |
| 11:29.01 | DoomGaze3 | did you just make a commit? |
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| 11:30.32 | Mikk | yes |
| 11:30.40 | DoomGaze3 | updating... |
| 11:31.08 | Mikk | Now you'll get warning spewage instead because you're trying to override stuff from the inherited object |
| 11:31.08 | Mikk | That's fun |
| 11:31.19 | Mikk | It MAY be the the warning spewage is wrong though |
| 11:31.46 | Mikk | There's some cases where you can't override stuff, and there's some cases where you can. |
| 11:31.51 | Mikk | I haven't quite figured it out yet. |
| 11:32.01 | Mikk | Either way, I don't think you should be inheriting if you're replacing everything there is anyway :-) |
| 11:32.03 | DoomGaze3 | lemmie take a look |
| 11:33.32 | DoomGaze3 | what would you suggest? because I'm a newb at createframe |
| 11:33.41 | Mikk | Just don't inherit something at all |
| 11:33.45 | Mikk | Construct the tooltip all yourself |
| 11:33.49 | Mikk | There can't be much missing now |
| 11:33.59 | Mikk | Since you're creating all the strings and stuff |
| 11:34.51 | MentalPower | can I get a link to your code DoomGaze3? |
| 11:35.02 | MentalPower | perhaps I can offer an alternative |
| 11:36.02 | DoomGaze3 | i'm using the same function you gave me, with a different tooltip name: Instead of TestTooltip, ML_FakeTooltip |
| 11:36.27 | MentalPower | Mikk: just commit it to the Wiki |
| 11:37.37 | DoomGaze3 | want me to pastey back the function mental? |
| 11:37.50 | MentalPower | sure |
| 11:39.39 | DoomGaze3 | http://pastey.net/92 |
| 11:42.32 | MentalPower | testing something, one sec |
| 11:46.02 | DoomGaze3 | kk |
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| 12:02.11 | MentalPower | DoomGaze3: http://pastey.net/93 |
| 12:02.22 | DoomGaze3 | checking... |
| 12:02.35 | MentalPower | you can change the name back to ML_TestTooltip if you want |
| 12:02.47 | MentalPower | the function had two typos and an oopsie |
| 12:02.50 | MentalPower | sorry about that |
| 12:03.03 | MentalPower | coding from memory is not always perfect |
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| 12:04.40 | DoomGaze3 | I shouldn't expect you to write my code for me anyways, however there isn't a whole lot of documentation out there on how to do this either :? |
| 12:06.00 | MentalPower | I don't mind writing snippets of code, especially when I'm working on a similar project (like now) |
| 12:06.13 | DoomGaze3 | That's why I asked you. :D |
| 12:06.28 | MentalPower | not a problem really |
| 12:07.00 | DoomGaze3 | still spewing forth all kinds of errors |
| 12:07.08 | DoomGaze3 | but hopefully it'll work in game |
| 12:07.58 | MentalPower | oh? |
| 12:08.28 | MentalPower | wait a sec, you're testing out of game with wowbench? |
| 12:08.38 | DoomGaze3 | ya |
| 12:09.00 | Mikk | it's spewing warnings because you're creating all the things that already exist in the object you're inheriting from |
| 12:09.58 | MentalPower | erm... no |
| 12:10.05 | Mikk | same names and all |
| 12:10.31 | Mikk | o? |
| 12:10.35 | Mikk | that's what it looked like to me |
| 12:10.43 | Mikk | i didn't actually read code though. i just read warnings :-) |
| 12:10.56 | MentalPower | GameTooltip (the frame type) does not have $parentTextLeft1 |
| 12:11.05 | MentalPower | but GameTooltipTemplate defines them |
| 12:11.42 | Mikk | aye |
| 12:11.53 | Mikk | and the CreateFrame was saying to inherit GameTooltipTemplate |
| 12:12.02 | MentalPower | yes |
| 12:12.56 | Mikk | erhmwaitasec |
| 12:13.05 | Mikk | it's not creating anything else |
| 12:13.09 | Mikk | so why's it complaining.... |
| 12:13.26 | MentalPower | my point exactly |
| 12:14.59 | Mikk | oddly enough, I just tested doing the same thing in a single file |
| 12:15.00 | Mikk | no warnings |
| 12:15.35 | Mikk | local x = CreateFrame("GameTooltip", "MyGT", nil, "GameTooltipTemplate"); |
| 12:15.37 | Mikk | error free |
| 12:15.55 | DoomGaze3 | lemmie clean |
| 12:15.58 | Mikk | is the same lua file being pulled in several times? |
| 12:16.08 | Mikk | like.. once from toc and once from <Script file> in xml? |
| 12:17.15 | Mikk | yep it is |
| 12:17.22 | Mikk | once from the xml file, once from the toc |
| 12:17.40 | DoomGaze3 | so all I need is the xml? |
| 12:17.43 | DoomGaze3 | or the toc? |
| 12:17.44 | Mikk | either one |
| 12:17.46 | Mikk | both will work |
| 12:17.46 | MentalPower | or the toc |
| 12:17.48 | Mikk | just not at the same time =) |
| 12:17.53 | DoomGaze3 | rgr |
| 12:18.27 | Mikk | yep, runs warning free when that one's gone |
| 12:18.38 | MentalPower | lol |
| 12:19.13 | Mikk | DoomGaze3: Try lua wowbench.lua -q MasterLooter |
| 12:19.21 | Mikk | Uses "FrameXML-lite.toc" and loads ~3 times faster |
| 12:19.28 | DoomGaze3 | luac.exe: ./wow/Interface/AddOns/MasterLooter/MasterLooter.lua:1: unexpected symbol near `n' |
| 12:19.33 | Mikk | Yeah. Ignore that one. |
| 12:19.40 | Mikk | The lua compiler can't compile UTF-8 files |
| 12:19.45 | Mikk | I'll fix it somehow |
| 12:19.53 | Mikk | Probably by not attempting to compile addons with UTF-8 in them at all |
| 12:19.56 | Corrodias | just what is utf-9, anyway? |
| 12:19.58 | Corrodias | er, -8 |
| 12:20.01 | DoomGaze3 | sweet |
| 12:20.04 | MentalPower | its unicode |
| 12:20.12 | Corrodias | then why do people not call it unicode? o.o |
| 12:20.14 | Mikk | UTF-8 is mix between ASCII and unicode |
| 12:20.18 | Mikk | well |
| 12:20.19 | MentalPower | and that means that I can't use WoWBench for Itemizer |
| 12:20.25 | Mikk | You can now MentalPower |
| 12:20.27 | Mikk | I fixed it |
| 12:20.33 | Corrodias | what ever did people invent utf-8 for if we had unicode? or did it come before unicode? |
| 12:20.41 | Mikk | Corrodias: Ok.. let me start from the top |
| 12:20.50 | MentalPower | Itemizer's files are all UTF-8 encoded |
| 12:21.03 | Mikk | Unicode is a standard that defines lots of character codes.. thousands |
| 12:21.08 | Mikk | This obviously cannot fit in a single byte |
| 12:21.18 | Mikk | These unicode values can be written out in lots of ways |
| 12:21.26 | Mikk | UTF-16 simply uses two bytes to represent each character |
| 12:21.30 | Mikk | UTF-32 uses four bytes |
| 12:21.37 | Corrodias | unicode is, as far as i was aware, entirely a two byte system |
| 12:21.40 | Mikk | No |
| 12:21.41 | Corrodias | i may well be mistaken |
| 12:21.42 | Mikk | That's UTF-16 |
| 12:21.45 | Mikk | It's just another encoding |
| 12:21.59 | Mikk | UTF-16 is pointless btw since there's codepoints that are larger than 65535 |
| 12:22.10 | Mikk | UTF-8 is a rather clever encoding |
| 12:22.21 | Mikk | If you're just using codepoints 0--127, it looks like an ASCII file |
| 12:22.29 | zenzelezz | Unicode can be 8, 16, 32 bits |
| 12:22.30 | Corrodias | it seems to me that windows uses utf-16 >_> |
| 12:22.42 | Mikk | Corrodias: Windows has UTF-16 APIs, yes |
| 12:22.48 | Mikk | But you can equally use UTF-8 if you want to |
| 12:22.54 | Mikk | Internally that is |
| 12:23.02 | Mikk | You have to convert to UTF-16 to actually display stuff on screen |
| 12:23.05 | Mikk | >.< |
| 12:23.06 | Corrodias | i mean, registry exports typically show spaces between each letter in notepad because it's using two bytes per each. |
| 12:23.16 | Mikk | yes. windows likes utf-16 encoding |
| 12:23.25 | Mikk | but Unicode is just the list of codepoints |
| 12:23.28 | MentalPower | rather wastefull IMHO |
| 12:23.32 | Mikk | Like I'm saying, there's three different encodings |
| 12:23.37 | Mikk | UTF-8 being the best one imo |
| 12:23.46 | MentalPower | IMO too :) |
| 12:23.49 | Corrodias | i suppose that doesn't necessarily mean it wouldn't put three spaces between if you had some of the high-numbered characters in there somewhere |
| 12:23.49 | Mikk | Since all the regular libraries work on UTF-8 encoded stuff |
| 12:24.16 | Mikk | UTF-16 can't represent >65535 those at all |
| 12:24.32 | Mikk | It's kind of pointless |
| 12:24.41 | Mikk | So the only realistic alternatives are UTF-8 and UTF-32 |
| 12:24.48 | Mikk | And UTF-32 is so bloody wasteful it makes me cry |
| 12:24.50 | Mikk | Which leaves UTF-8 |
| 12:24.57 | krka | UTF-17 FTW |
| 12:25.01 | Corrodias | what i've seen in mIRC indicates that UTF-8 just assigns an "escape byte" that uses the next byte to decide the actual character. or maybe a set of escape bytes. |
| 12:25.09 | Mikk | Something like that, yes |
| 12:25.31 | Mikk | Actually, the first byte has a length indicator in a few bits, and then the first few bits of the actual codepoint |
| 12:25.33 | Mikk | It's rather compact |
| 12:25.35 | Corrodias | that's why i've started to see odd things in people's text, lately, involving an A with a circle above it |
| 12:25.38 | zenzelezz | thought it was more of a follow-up bit on the first byte |
| 12:25.50 | zenzelezz | sort of "hey, you're not done with me" |
| 12:25.52 | Mikk | The common denominator is that ALL UTF-8 encoded characters over 127 have the high bit set |
| 12:26.00 | DoomGaze3 | lol, mikk! this program HATES me |
| 12:26.16 | DoomGaze3 | I try to invite one of the dummie toons |
| 12:26.24 | Mikk | Ugh don't do that |
| 12:26.27 | Corrodias | gb2/toontown |
| 12:26.29 | Mikk | Just edit config.lua |
| 12:26.36 | Mikk | It has a _PARTY struct |
| 12:26.42 | Mikk | I haven't even touched inviting |
| 12:27.28 | DoomGaze3 | CPP monkeys say struct. :DDD |
| 12:27.45 | zenzelezz | not necessarily |
| 12:27.50 | zenzelezz | class |
| 12:27.53 | Mikk | I'm not a CPP monkey. I'm a C/asm monkey :-P |
| 12:28.19 | MentalPower | Corrodias: you mean that "ñ" displays as two characters? |
| 12:28.23 | Corrodias | yes |
| 12:28.31 | MentalPower | lol, use Chatzilla |
| 12:28.32 | Corrodias | i'm using an apparently outdated version of mIRC |
| 12:28.41 | zenzelezz | it does when your client isn't set to interpret the character encoding |
| 12:28.41 | Mikk | å |
| 12:28.42 | MentalPower | its free, fast and opesource |
| 12:28.45 | DoomGaze3 | Classes are much different then structs. Although, lexically, lua can emulate classes |
| 12:28.46 | Mikk | what's that display like? |
| 12:28.49 | Corrodias | zenzelezz: or doesn't understand it |
| 12:28.58 | zenzelezz | that too |
| 12:29.01 | Corrodias | Mikk: å |
| 12:29.22 | Corrodias | whether or not you see -that- as i do is not something i can determine from here. |
| 12:29.24 | zenzelezz | although I think my X-Chat used to display a small square with four numbers in it (the code) when it couldn't display it, rather than just two characters |
| 12:29.38 | Mikk | å |
| 12:29.54 | MentalPower | ok that is an a with circle above it |
| 12:30.05 | Corrodias | plus a "yen" symbol after it |
| 12:30.06 | MentalPower | preciously whatever you typed showed up as a space char |
| 12:30.15 | Mikk | k |
| 12:30.21 | Mikk | Maybe I should just stick with UTF-8 |
| 12:30.49 | MentalPower | Corrodias: seriously upgrade to something a bit more... compliant |
| 12:30.56 | Mikk | Opera's IRC is kinda fun that way. Supports 30+ encodings |
| 12:31.11 | MentalPower | what were you using before? |
| 12:31.33 | Mikk | iso-8859-15 |
| 12:31.36 | Corrodias | i will, eventually |
| 12:32.07 | Mikk | 8859-15 being western european + euro symbol iirc |
| 12:32.18 | Corrodias | there's a user-friendly name |
| 12:32.41 | Mikk | ISO names have never been user friendly :-P |
| 12:33.03 | Mikk | They're designed by bloody engineers. What do you expect? :-P |
| 12:33.08 | MentalPower | yeah, ISO names are... wierd |
| 12:33.33 | MentalPower | ISO-9000, ISO-9001, ISO-9002 <---QUality control specs |
| 12:33.40 | MentalPower | afaik |
| 12:33.43 | Mikk | Yep |
| 12:33.49 | Mikk | And -14000 is quality control + environment |
| 12:33.54 | Corrodias | when if they ran out of eight thousands? they'd have to put character encodings in the 10000's or something |
| 12:33.58 | MentalPower | eww |
| 12:34.22 | Mikk | Corrodias: Luckily they're basically not extending that shit anymore. It's unicode ftw now :-) |
| 12:34.58 | Corrodias | i want a bumper sticker that says, "i cum for unicode". and a car. |
| 12:35.03 | Mikk | lol |
| 12:35.11 | MentalPower | lol |
| 12:35.17 | Mikk | "and a car" |
| 12:35.27 | MentalPower | yeah, that was the best part |
| 12:35.32 | Mikk | mm =) |
| 12:36.47 | Corrodias | it's really the part i care more about. |
| 12:42.04 | Corrodias | silly cheapass projectors. like i would really be satisfied with a resolution of 800x600 |
| 12:45.17 | Corrodias | 1280x720, now that's more like it. "more" like it. still not near it, though. |
| 12:47.10 | Corrodias | oh, eww... "Replacement bulbs are $999. The 400-watt bulb is rated at 2500 hours. There is no brightness adjustment to extend the bulb's life." |
| 12:51.19 | Corrodias | lens not included? this is getting too involved for me |
| 13:04.22 | MentalPower | is there a list of possible values for :SetDrawLayer somewhere? |
| 13:04.32 | MentalPower | I can't seem to find one on the Wiki |
| 13:09.35 | MentalPower | nm, found it http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_User_Interface#Layers_and_Textures |
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| 13:29.36 | MentalPower | http://norganna.org/bb/index.php?showtopic=2474 |
| 13:33.26 | zenzelezz | looks nice; but what is Itemizer? |
| 13:33.43 | MentalPower | Its my LootLink replacement |
| 13:34.29 | Mikma | that looks like Ludwig - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5174 |
| 13:36.43 | MentalPower | I'm sorry, but where do you see the similarity? |
| 13:37.19 | Mikma | layout |
| 13:37.32 | Mikma | and propably both do the same job |
| 13:40.48 | MentalPower | the only similarity is the same similarity between all itemDB addons, they all allow for re-linking of items |
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| 13:49.35 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGUZLxVwJRQ&search=amazing |
| 13:49.36 | Industrial | o_O |
| 13:50.21 | Corrodias | i love how it starts playing when it's still only about 20% as buffered as it needs to be |
| 13:50.24 | Corrodias | go youtube |
| 13:51.50 | zenzelezz | I always pause the things until the whole thing is loaded |
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| 15:25.32 | cogwheel | Morning |
| 15:26.53 | Hexarobi | mornin |
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| 16:06.19 | cogwheel | do local variables defined in a for block go out of scope after the end of the loop? |
| 16:06.58 | cogwheel | e.g for i=1,2 do local t = "hi" end print(t) |
| 16:07.11 | Elkano | iirc yes. even the loops variable i will be gone |
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| 16:23.40 | cogwheel | Is it legal to put "return" in a chunk that's not actually inside a function? e.g. /script if true then return else end |
| 16:27.02 | wereHamster | yes |
| 16:27.37 | wereHamster | did you try "/script if true then return else end" in-game? |
| 16:28.15 | Abenadi | anyone know how +healing affects Prayer of Healing? Is it (3/3.5) divided by 3 because its AOE? |
| 16:29.02 | Hexarobi | anyone know of an addon that auto-deletes grey items from mobs so you can skin em? |
| 16:29.50 | Abenadi | Hex, don't think its possible to do that. Interacting with the loot window requires clicking |
| 16:31.22 | wereHamster | are you sure it requires a hardware event? |
| 16:32.50 | Hexarobi | what about deleting grey items from ivnentory |
| 16:32.55 | Mikk | That doesn't require an event |
| 16:33.02 | Mikk | So yeah it's entirely possible to shiftloot and then delete shit |
| 16:33.09 | wereHamster | but does looting require one? |
| 16:33.13 | Mikk | fairly sure it does |
| 16:33.43 | Mikk | Could test it I suppose.... |
| 16:33.59 | Hexarobi | btw mikk, thanks for the warcraft2 sounds idea, it totally rocks with them added |
| 16:34.03 | Mikk | kewl =) |
| 16:34.33 | Hexarobi | zugg zugg |
| 16:34.46 | Mikk | Anyway, opening a loot window definitely requires an event... but i'm testing looting now.. |
| 16:34.49 | Mikk | Just for the hell of it. |
| 16:35.20 | Mikk | Come to think of it... this is a pointless exercise |
| 16:35.28 | Mikk | The only way to get anything out of a loot window is to loot it |
| 16:35.29 | cogwheel | wereHamster: i'm at work atm, so i didn't get the chance... :P I was just checking to make sure a macro I wrote for someone else would work |
| 16:35.37 | Mikk | So you really do have to loot the shit and then delete it |
| 16:36.15 | Hexarobi | someone must have written it already |
| 16:37.35 | krka | btw Hexarobi, you're mostly like commiting copyright violations by including the war2 graphics |
| 16:37.43 | Abenadi | looting requires more than a hardware event, it requires clicking in the loot pane. Its simply not scriptable. |
| 16:38.33 | krka | cogwheel:you can never be outside a function |
| 16:38.47 | cogwheel | that's what I figured. |
| 16:38.49 | Mikk | Yeah.. there isn't even an API to loot a single item |
| 16:39.01 | Mikk | Unless for master loot |
| 16:39.30 | Hexarobi | im hoping they like it enough to look the other way ;) |
| 16:39.34 | Hexarobi | if they ever see it |
| 16:40.08 | Mikk | Plus it plays inside one of their own apps :-P |
| 16:40.15 | Hexarobi | ill sell it to em and they can release it as an ingame warcraft 2 chess set item ;) |
| 16:40.45 | Mikk | Question is if it doesn't fall under their "ok to use for fan stuff" clause |
| 16:41.35 | Mikk | As far as I know, blizz aren't in the business of being assholes about stuff like this. |
| 16:41.45 | Mikk | Unlike some other companies I could mention |
| 16:44.12 | Hexarobi | ya |
| 16:44.28 | Hexarobi | blizz seems cool about that stuff, theyd take it as the homage it was intended to be |
| 16:45.01 | Mikk | wereHamster: I' |
| 16:45.06 | Kirkburn | Ah, futurama has such a wonderful ending |
| 16:45.12 | Mikk | wereHamster: I'm pretty sure people have written "junk crap in my inv" addons |
| 16:45.13 | End | strictly speaking, blizzard could take action, but I don't think that's something they'd want to do |
| 16:45.46 | Mikk | Especially given their "ok to use for fan stuff" clause |
| 16:45.54 | End | well, for a "fansite" |
| 16:45.59 | Kirkburn | AutoProfit: http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1224 |
| 16:46.02 | End | they do have a license for that |
| 16:46.15 | Mikk | is it esplicitly for _sites_ though? |
| 16:46.22 | End | but that only applies to specific WoW art :P |
| 16:46.25 | End | yeah I think so |
| 16:46.26 | Mikk | then again, this is going up on fan sites :-P |
| 16:46.34 | End | true |
| 16:46.43 | Mikk | I wouldn't worry about it |
| 16:46.51 | End | it says you can "display" |
| 16:47.10 | Mikk | Not like they're going to come chasing after you with a horde of lawyers first thing if they don't like it. Especially seeing as how you're making $0.00 out of it. |
| 16:47.16 | End | of course, that doesn't apply to warcraft II artwork, but I agree, there shouldn't be any problem with you using it |
| 16:47.26 | Mikk | If they don't like it they're just going to tell you to stop in legalese and nothing more to it. |
| 16:48.15 | Mikk | As a matter of fact, they couldn't even get anything out of going to a court of law other than a cease and desist order unless they could show losses. |
| 16:48.20 | krka | if you're really paranoid, don't give me credit for it though |
| 16:48.26 | krka | in case blizzard is angry with me |
| 16:48.38 | Kirkburn | C'mon .. they won't care |
| 16:48.42 | Mikk | Nope |
| 16:48.44 | Mikk | They won't |
| 16:48.52 | dao_at_work | just say it was all Mikk's idea. |
| 16:48.53 | Mikk | Just saying it's completely safe even if they did |
| 16:49.05 | dao_at_work | He pressured you into it! |
| 16:49.10 | End | it is definitely Mikk's idea |
| 16:49.14 | Kirkburn | There's a point where legality becomes pointless to discuss |
| 16:49.15 | End | it's all his fault |
| 16:49.20 | dao_at_work | Masterminded the whole thing. |
| 16:49.23 | Mikk | oi! |
| 16:49.29 | Mikk | I thought we agreed it was Kirkburn's fault last night! |
| 16:49.32 | Mikk | Or was that something else... |
| 16:49.50 | Mikk | Ohwait that was something on the wiki |
| 16:50.20 | Kirkburn | I'm nearing 2500 edits :P |
| 16:51.29 | Kirkburn | They've announced the EU battlegroups! http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general-en/1176837.htm |
| 16:52.19 | Kirkburn | One of them has a grand total of two servers |
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| 16:52.52 | MoonWolf | big improvement there! |
| 16:56.36 | Kirkburn | My server is in battlegroup one, it's so old :P |
| 16:57.19 | Rallion | pshh, I had my first chracter on my server less than an hour after the servers went live |
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| 16:59.32 | Kirkburn | Ya boo to you |
| 16:59.47 | Kirkburn | Anyone know what time the EU servers went live? |
| 17:00.03 | Kirkburn | I started at about 4pm |
| 17:01.30 | Rallion | no idea |
| 17:01.38 | Kirkburn | Well that's no good! |
| 17:02.24 | Rallion | You're all the way across this crazy-big ocean, I can't be bothered to care about you people. You people with your...ugh...culture. |
| 17:03.48 | Mikk | wereHamster: Just trigger on CHAT_MSG_LOOT. It has item links in it.ö |
| 17:04.04 | Mikk | As you receive gray items, you can just scan for them in the inventory and junk them. |
| 17:05.06 | Abenadi | if an addon needs to communicate with only one person in a raid, is it better to whisper or use sendaddonmessage(... "raid")? |
| 17:05.18 | Mikk | I say whisper |
| 17:05.25 | Mikk | Blizzard don't agree |
| 17:05.36 | Mikk | "AddOn Whisper communication is not encouraged." |
| 17:05.53 | cogwheel | UnitIsDead vs. UnitIsCorpse .... any advice? (to be used on a mob) |
| 17:06.11 | Kaso | Dont show blizzard the TexasHoldem mod, Mikk :> |
| 17:06.38 | Mikk | Duh. My loot handler mod uses ONLY whisper commns |
| 17:06.45 | zenzelezz | hm, don't some mobs "feign", like those Reanimated Corpses in Scholomance? |
| 17:06.49 | Mikk | Flood fill data sync across the raid leaders |
| 17:06.56 | zenzelezz | kill them, they "die", then resurrect and you kill them for real |
| 17:07.08 | Thrae | Whisper communication can't be squelched, unlike channels. And auto-ignore features may ignore whispers without proper throttling. |
| 17:07.13 | Kaso | when they "die" dont they just hold on 1hp |
| 17:07.23 | Mikk | yeah |
| 17:07.32 | Mikk | Thrae: without proper throttling? |
| 17:07.44 | Mikk | how can something you want to ignore ever be throttled? |
| 17:07.58 | Mikk | I mean.. it's kind of up to the sender o.O |
| 17:08.06 | Thrae | Mikk: Auto-ignore, hence it'll ignore too many whispers sent in X amount of time. |
| 17:08.07 | Mikk | Oh |
| 17:08.21 | Mikk | Something like that might ignore whatever that's sending too often |
| 17:08.25 | Mikk | Regardless of channel |
| 17:08.44 | Mikk | It's for my guild. I tell them to not be idiots. |
| 17:08.46 | Mikk | Problem solved. |
| 17:09.13 | Thrae | I don't doubt you can code it well Mikk, the problem lies when a whisper communication mod is -not- coded well. |
| 17:09.25 | Kirkburn | Telling people not to be be idiots always works well :P |
| 17:09.28 | Thrae | But it's mostly Blizzard just being anal. |
| 17:09.56 | Kirkburn | *I* doubt that Mikk can code it well ;) |
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| 17:14.21 | Kirkburn | Hmm, what DVD to watch next: a) Star Wars IV b) Aladdin c) Shaun of the Dead |
| 17:15.21 | Kirkburn | It wasn't rhetorical |
| 17:16.50 | Kirkburn | You have selected b) |
| 17:17.03 | zenzelezz | no I haven't |
| 17:18.22 | Kirkburn | Bad dubbing? |
| 17:18.28 | Rallion | If I were you, I would select A. |
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| 17:18.50 | Rallion | However, I am not you, and being ME my selected would be V for Vendetta. |
| 17:18.52 | Rallion | Again. |
| 17:19.09 | Kirkburn | (apparently, crime is "a feature of the South African landscape" according to the BBC. You better watch out for those trees, y'know) |
| 17:19.27 | Rallion | That tree stole my wallet! |
| 17:19.28 | Kirkburn | I've yet to see that |
| 17:19.43 | Rallion | Oh, I enjoy it a great deal |
| 17:20.07 | Cide | hmm, doing: "this,movey = nil" instead of "this.movey = nil" is a bad idea |
| 17:20.14 | Rallion | yikes |
| 17:21.23 | Tem | TOO SOON |
| 17:21.29 | Kirkburn | weoooooooowwwww, look, Aladdin's got THX which means nothing at all *oooooh* |
| 17:21.33 | Tem | YOU HAVE AWAKENED ME TOO SOON, EXECUTUS! |
| 17:21.55 | Kirkburn | sorry, boss |
| 17:22.16 | Cide | YOU LET THESE INSECTS RUN RAMPANT THROUGH THE HALLOWED CORE, AND NOW YOU LEAD THEM TO MY VERY LAIR? |
| 17:22.23 | Cide | YOU HAVE FAILED ME EXECUTUS. JUSTICE SHALL BE MET, INDEED |
| 17:23.04 | Cide | (microscopic fireball hits executus and he dies instantly) |
| 17:23.09 | End | uh oh |
| 17:23.15 | Kirkburn | Arrraaaaaabian niiiighhttts, like Aaaarrrabiaannnnn daaaaaays! |
| 17:23.28 | Cide | And now for you, insects.. Face the wrath of Ragnaros |
| 17:23.28 | End | who let Rag out? |
| 17:23.30 | Cide | or something like that |
| 17:23.35 | Cide | I forgot that exact quote |
| 17:24.20 | Cide | nah, I failed on that one |
| 17:24.21 | Cide | # NOW FOR YOU, INSECTS. BOLDY YOU SOUGHT THE POWER OF RAGNAROS! NOW YOU SHALL SEE IT FIRSTHAND! |
| 17:24.21 | Cide | # DIE, INSECT! |
| 17:24.31 | Rallion | hehe Aladdin does have some excellent music, doesn't it? |
| 17:24.57 | Kirov | The original words to the opening song of aladdin were "Where they cut off your ear if they don't like your face. It's barbaric, but hey it's home.", which made it in to the original soundtrack release, but for the home movie version (both vhs and later dvd) they changed it to "Where it's flat and immense and the heat is intense, it's barbaric, but hey it's home." |
| 17:24.57 | Kirkburn | Excellent music ... and robin williams, which puts it over the top :P |
| 17:25.10 | Kirkburn | nice |
| 17:25.31 | Kirov | It's still voiced by Robin Williams, but it sounds like he forgot how to do the voice, and it's a different volume, so it just kind of pops in there and sounds wrong. |
| 17:25.42 | Gngsk | yea |
| 17:25.46 | Rallion | At least they didn't replace it with a horrible line that doesn't fit. |
| 17:25.53 | Gngsk | I still have the original soundtrack on casette tape |
| 17:27.00 | Kaso | i still think ragnaros is the coolest moment in all of wow |
| 17:27.16 | Kirkburn | You're right, it is different! |
| 17:27.22 | Kaso | though from seeing videos of frostwyrm lair that might be pretty amazing |
| 17:27.23 | Tem | yay for rag quites |
| 17:28.21 | Cide | yay for cool timers |
| 17:28.28 | Tem | cool timers? |
| 17:28.41 | Cide | been working on some cool timers! |
| 17:28.49 | End | seeing rag for the first time was definitely awesome |
| 17:28.50 | Tem | for? |
| 17:28.55 | Tem | End, indeed |
| 17:29.04 | Kirov | Cide - boss timers? |
| 17:29.07 | Kirov | yay! |
| 17:29.11 | Cide | yes |
| 17:29.45 | Kaso | cool how? |
| 17:29.58 | Cide | they look very smooth |
| 17:30.04 | Cide | fade in, smooth movement and stuff |
| 17:30.21 | Kirkburn | yay for cool timers! |
| 17:30.36 | Kirkburn | I've never seen Rag neither. Nor. Niet. |
| 17:30.47 | Cide | rag's cool |
| 17:30.52 | Cide | first time anyway |
| 17:30.56 | zenzelezz | I love Ragnaros... bosses with an attitude are awesome |
| 17:31.10 | zenzelezz | Nefarian seems fun too, but my guild's yet to take down Razorgore |
| 17:31.33 | End | I've only gotten -to- Nef so far |
| 17:31.35 | Cide | nefarian's a more fun fight than ragnaros, but the "oh shit" moment was better for ragnaros |
| 17:31.46 | Kirkburn | Kel'thuzad's a bit of a dood too, ain't he :P |
| 17:31.51 | Rallion | The roughest locations I've been to are LBRS and Strat |
| 17:31.53 | Kirov | Ragnaros has the best opening |
| 17:31.59 | Cide | best fight in the game right now is either noth or heigan, I'd say |
| 17:32.07 | zenzelezz | I just love the taunts and stuff |
| 17:32.19 | Rallion | Oh, man, I've been playing War3 campaigns again, and I think I need to seek out what Kel'Thuzad looks like in WoW |
| 17:32.28 | zenzelezz | "By fire be purged!" still kills me too often |
| 17:32.39 | End | Kel'Thuzad looks fairly similarly afaik |
| 17:32.54 | Cide | pretty similar to how araj / ras look |
| 17:32.57 | End | yeah |
| 17:33.09 | Kirov | I haven't made it to Noth |
| 17:33.24 | Rallion | there are actually a lot of things that look better in War3 than in WoW |
| 17:33.28 | End | I think Kel'Thuzad might have a slightly different skin, but his model is probably the same |
| 17:33.28 | zenzelezz | they're all liches, aren't they? Would make sense that they look alike |
| 17:33.28 | Cide | that fight is simply awesome |
| 17:33.31 | zenzelezz | also the end-boss in RFD |
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| 17:33.42 | End | yeah it would make sense |
| 17:33.59 | Kirov | Only seen Anub'Rekhan and Instructor Resuvious from Naxx. I quit the guild I was in and we're basically starting from scratch, so we're doing MC this week for the first time. |
| 17:34.09 | Rallion | My guild has 6 people in it. |
| 17:34.12 | Kirov | Half the guild in T2 8/8, the other half in blues and greens. |
| 17:34.48 | Mikk | That's going to cause friction |
| 17:34.50 | Mikk | A lot |
| 17:34.57 | End | yeah probably |
| 17:35.04 | Cide | friction is a myth! |
| 17:35.27 | Mikk | Anyway.. i need to get some actual coding done and it ain't happening while I'm idling in IRC so... |
| 17:35.32 | End | my guild is mostly T1/T2 with some blue+few epics, and we have friction |
| 17:35.32 | Mikk | seeya'll |
| 17:35.33 | Mikk | =) |
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| 17:36.18 | End | erm I mean mostly T1/T2 people and then some -other- are blue people |
| 17:36.28 | Kirov | Well, my old guild, the 5 main hunters from it left when I did and joined the same guild, so they were left guildless. Then they and another guild (who most of my old guild hates, and they hate us) merged in to one ... at which point all of their hunters quit too. |
| 17:36.37 | Kirov | So, they're still fucked. |
| 17:36.41 | End | lol |
| 17:36.43 | Kirov | They have 1 hunter. |
| 17:36.53 | Kirov | Down from 12 or so |
| 17:37.57 | End | hmm, my guild is probably one of the oldest on my server |
| 17:38.55 | Tem | Agreed, the "Oh Shit!" moment for Rag is awesome |
| 17:39.32 | Kirov | End how old? |
| 17:40.07 | Tem | mine too, I think |
| 17:40.20 | Tem | we formed up in the begining of december 04 |
| 17:40.24 | Kirov | End - my old guild was one of the first to down Rag on my server, first to kill Nefarian, first to kill 3 out of 4 of the green dragons, and the only one to finish the AQ opening quest chain. |
| 17:40.56 | Kirov | And then we entered AQ40 and half the main raiding team quit the game out of boredom |
| 17:41.00 | Tem | we didn't start raiding until a year in though |
| 17:41.02 | End | well, no original guild on my server retains the same name since start |
| 17:41.28 | Tem | there are only 2 guilds that I know of that retains the orignal name |
| 17:41.32 | Tem | mine and one other |
| 17:41.45 | End | actually, I can think of a couple on alliance side |
| 17:41.49 | End | none on horde side |
| 17:42.26 | End | my guild "started" out as underground knights, but the guild leader stopped playing so it pretty much reformed |
| 17:42.42 | End | we didn't start raiding til about 10 months ago though |
| 17:43.15 | End | most horde guilds (my faction) have reformed several times in the last year, if not more |
| 17:43.44 | End | one guild has mostly retained the same name, but has gone through about 6 or 7 name changes in the last year |
| 17:43.52 | End | erm, same members I mean |
| 17:44.34 | Kirov | One of the oldest horde guilds on my server still exists, but they changed names once, then split in to two guilds, then merged again under a new name. |
| 17:45.28 | Kirov | Their GM keeps quitting the game then coming back. |
| 17:45.59 | zenzelezz | O_o |
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| 18:06.20 | Abenadi | if a hunter uses PetAttack(), and then himself selects another creature with the same name and level, can I check if they're different using UnitIsUnit("playertarget","playerpettarget")? |
| 18:06.38 | Abenadi | or do pets not have targets persay? |
| 18:06.40 | cogwheel | "pettarget" should work |
| 18:06.51 | cogwheel | and plain target |
| 18:06.56 | Abenadi | oh yeah, sorry |
| 18:06.59 | Kirov | playertarget works |
| 18:07.10 | Kirov | but I believe it queries the server |
| 18:07.15 | Kirov | which is bad |
| 18:07.39 | Abenadi | My main question was can the petattack feature be used to distinguish mobs |
| 18:07.42 | krka | you dont have to write "player" before "target" you know |
| 18:07.48 | Abenadi | I KNOW |
| 18:07.49 | Abenadi | thanks : ) |
| 18:07.56 | Abenadi | missing the point!!! |
| 18:08.01 | End | lol |
| 18:08.03 | krka | :P |
| 18:08.06 | cogwheel | Once you call PetAttack() your pet is on his own |
| 18:08.09 | krka | that's what i do best |
| 18:08.19 | Tuplad | Core.lua:9: bad argument #1 to `upper' (string expected, got nil) |
| 18:08.19 | AnotherRandomAss | You know you can use just "target" right? |
| 18:08.24 | Tuplad | after joining raid :\ |
| 18:08.54 | cogwheel | I see what you're saying... |
| 18:08.55 | Tuplad | wrong chat har har |
| 18:08.58 | krka | but yeah... pets do have their own targetrs |
| 18:09.07 | krka | and UnitIsUnit will work |
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| 18:09.10 | cogwheel | Yes. the server gives specific identities to every mob. |
| 18:09.12 | Tem | per se |
| 18:09.28 | cogwheel | You just don't have access to them unless you can reference them by Unit Ids |
| 18:09.45 | Kirov | Or use a third party program that reads the client's memory |
| 18:09.54 | cogwheel | ~slap kirov |
| 18:09.55 | purl | ACTION slaps kirov, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
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| 18:19.37 | Abenadi | Is the chat message the only way to identify who has the flag in WSG? |
| 18:19.48 | Abenadi | scripting-wise i mean |
| 18:22.27 | wereHamster | watching for "Player has picked up the flag" ? |
| 18:22.50 | Abenadi | yeah, i'm just wondering for when I come into a BG and someone already has the flag |
| 18:22.56 | Mery | uhm for your own team you could check whos in the same position as the flag but watching the events it prolly better... |
| 18:22.57 | Abenadi | so I don't get the message |
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| 18:23.50 | Abenadi | and i mean for the other team |
| 18:30.01 | Mery | i don't think so |
| 19:07.47 | Shadowed | Abenadi: Watching CHAT_MSG_BG_SYSTEM_HORDE and CHAT_MSG_BG_SYSTEM_ALLIANCE are the only way to get the flag carriers, if you're already in a game you can only get friendly carrier from comparing all the teammates positions with the flag ( as mikk said ), and if it's the enemy carrier you can't do anything about it |
| 19:08.04 | Shadowed | *if you join a game mid way in |
| 19:09.45 | Abenadi | right, thanks |
| 19:11.18 | Shadowed | if the server is lagging then sometimes the map isn't updated after a couple of seconds for the friendly carrier, so i wouldn't suggest relying on only that for getting it |
| 19:21.05 | zenzelezz | three bosses so far in ZG, every one has dropped Band of Servitude |
| 19:21.49 | Shadowed | nice |
| 19:30.44 | Kirkburn | ah, Shaun of the Dead is so awesome |
| 19:36.15 | Kaso | indeed it is indeed it is |
| 19:37.31 | Hexarobi | watched it last night ;) |
| 19:39.14 | Kaso | ok, random question but proberly someone can anwser it, howcome thottbott has various crafting recipes on it for items that dont exist, eg holy protection potion etc, are they attually spells havested from ingame or are they from somewhere |
| 19:42.26 | cogwheel | People probably go into their saved variables and mess around with the thottbot data |
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| 19:46.18 | AnduinLothar | nah, the spell data is harvested from wdb files |
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| 19:47.09 | AnduinLothar | so there are spells that are in the game and availible via console commands, but unaccessable by normal players |
| 19:48.02 | AnduinLothar | blizz designed holy prot from day 1 but decided not to impliment it |
| 19:48.55 | Kirov | There's stuff in the API for holy resistence |
| 19:49.08 | Kirov | But it appears to just share the same return as arcane |
| 19:50.00 | Thrae | Prob. realized there's not enough Holy damage-dealing spells that aren't only vs Undead to require a separate Holy resistance |
| 19:50.01 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_TYPE_ItemString - farmed from in-game btw |
| 19:50.27 | AnduinLothar | well, all paladin spell damage is holy |
| 19:50.28 | Kirov | which I haven't updated for this patch |
| 19:50.36 | Kirov | paladin, priest |
| 19:50.44 | Kirov | Priest does shadow and holy |
| 19:50.48 | AnduinLothar | which is one of the only reason paladins are viable in melee |
| 19:51.00 | AnduinLothar | because their spells can't be resisted |
| 19:51.06 | Kirov | They can |
| 19:51.12 | Thrae | Who would ever gear vs Paladins? |
| 19:51.15 | Shadowed | I though they can still be resisted by level check, but you can't stack resists? |
| 19:51.15 | AnduinLothar | well, there's a general resistance |
| 19:51.25 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 19:51.26 | Kirov | holy spell resistances still obey the level difference |
| 19:51.49 | Shadowed | the wiki is slow |
| 19:51.52 | AnduinLothar | there's no partial resistance is what i meant |
| 19:52.08 | AnduinLothar | you can all out block any spell |
| 19:52.15 | AnduinLothar | same % chance |
| 19:53.12 | AnduinLothar | but since pallies don't have multiple spell types if you had holy gear you would be immune to all of their non-white damage |
| 19:53.30 | AnduinLothar | where as any other class with spell damage could jsut pick a diff type of magic |
| 19:53.43 | Kirov | shadowed - that ItemString page is around 500kb |
| 19:53.50 | Shadowed | That'd probbly do it |
| 19:54.27 | Shadowed | of Twain |
| 19:54.28 | Shadowed | ? |
| 19:55.10 | AnduinLothar | god, curse takes forever to approve addons |
| 19:55.44 | Kirov | Shadowed - yeah, no idea what it's there for. |
| 19:55.46 | Shadowed | they don't have people sitting there hitting refresh all day like Cairenn! |
| 19:55.52 | Kirov | Some legacy thing |
| 19:56.11 | AnduinLothar | ya, but they should at least have them emailed to the admins or something |
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| 19:56.24 | AnduinLothar | it's not like they get hundreds of submits a day |
| 19:56.44 | Shadowed | probably Mikk's fault |
| 19:56.48 | AnduinLothar | or auto-accept from 'prefered' authors... |
| 19:57.02 | AnduinLothar | you'd think they'd trust me by now. |
| 19:57.18 | Mikk | o.O |
| 19:57.25 | AnduinLothar | prolly just not coded into their software |
| 19:57.32 | Mikk | ~whaleambush Shadowed |
| 19:57.33 | purl | ACTION ambushes Shadowed with Giovanni, a whale that's a bit too big to be a dagger |
| 19:57.58 | AnduinLothar | wow... this addon dropdown menu has GOT to go.. |
| 19:58.20 | AnduinLothar | takes up 3/4 the height of my screen fully maximized |
| 19:58.50 | AnduinLothar | and it's not alphabetized :'( |
| 19:59.14 | Shadowed | I wonder how hard it would be to "remove" forced BG groups and make it use the original ones |
| 19:59.15 | AnduinLothar | hmmm... i think it's time to automate myself.. |
| 19:59.18 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 20:00.01 | AnduinLothar | dolby-wowi: any news on that http input submit for wowi updates? |
| 20:00.24 | AnduinLothar | or cladbot/clad|work was working on it, no? |
| 20:01.47 | Kirov | Apart from one of the programers, I think silver is the only curse admin that comes to this channel. |
| 20:02.06 | Kirov | and the programer only came once as far as I can remember. |
| 20:02.08 | Cairenn | net is in here by times |
| 20:02.13 | Cairenn | Zinor is still here |
| 20:02.18 | Kirov | ~seen net |
| 20:02.31 | purl | net <n=net@dslb-088-064-176-025.pools.arcor-ip.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 96d 7h 25m 54s ago, saying: 'i speak a bit of everything .P i have been all around in the europe for some months'. |
| 20:02.32 | Shadowed | ~seen Zinor |
| 20:02.34 | purl | zinor is currently on #wowi-lounge (1h 46m 48s), last said: 'that coilfang instance sounds good'. |
| 20:02.48 | Shadowed | ~seen net/curse |
| 20:02.51 | purl | i haven't seen 'net/curse', Shadowed |
| 20:02.55 | Shadowed | bad bot |
| 20:03.00 | Mikk | ~seen netcurse |
| 20:03.02 | purl | netcurse <n=net@dslb-088-064-179-084.pools.arcor-ip.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 18d 16h 55m 25s ago, saying: 'i think i can do this lego .p'. |
| 20:03.23 | Shadowed | he didn't listen to lego, that's why he hasn't been back in two weeks |
| 20:03.28 | Mikk | hehe |
| 20:03.41 | Kirov | who ever listens to lego? |
| 20:04.01 | AnduinLothar | i do, smart guy |
| 20:04.01 | Shadowed | I think the fact that he hasn't been back in 18 days is proof that listening to him is a good idea |
| 20:04.25 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Main_Page#Main_page_redesign_vote |
| 20:04.46 | Mikk | if you cba to look, #3 is the one to vote for :-P |
| 20:05.06 | AnduinLothar | are there any interesting latency bar mods? |
| 20:05.18 | AnduinLothar | all i've seen is an old minimap one |
| 20:05.26 | Mikk | The latency meter is bleh anyway |
| 20:05.42 | Mikk | Be better to measure latency yourself |
| 20:05.56 | Mikk | Like... how long does it take for a spell to start casting after you tell it to start |
| 20:06.00 | AnduinLothar | yeah, are there any interesting ways to display it or stats over time? |
| 20:06.02 | Shadowed | I don't really like #3 |
| 20:06.03 | Kirov | Mikk - actually, I was curious how one goes about that |
| 20:06.34 | Mikk | Myeah.. I was starting to think about that too |
| 20:06.35 | AnduinLothar | what might be interesting is a bar graph over time the overlays the minimap and can be toggled.. |
| 20:06.54 | Shadowed | but then again |
| 20:07.00 | Shadowed | 1 and 2 are worst |
| 20:07.01 | Kirov | specifically attempting to more accurately sync combat events across multiple clients |
| 20:07.08 | Mikk | Shadowed: keeping the current one is a valid option too =) |
| 20:07.18 | AnduinLothar | #3 is crap on widescreen |
| 20:07.27 | Mikk | how so? |
| 20:07.33 | AnduinLothar | it's centered |
| 20:07.40 | Kirov | it's tiny |
| 20:07.42 | AnduinLothar | with like 4in blank space on each side |
| 20:07.49 | Kirov | #1 is almost too big |
| 20:07.50 | Shadowed | The color scheme seems kind of odd |
| 20:08.18 | Kirov | Shadowed - especially considering the rather consistant lack of color in the rest of the site |
| 20:08.23 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 20:08.41 | AnduinLothar | i'm looking at it and it all looks super spread out on my resolution |
| 20:08.55 | AnduinLothar | tons of whitespace |
| 20:09.07 | Shadowed | I'd vote but then i'd have to do actual math to figure out the timezone in EDT |
| 20:09.16 | AnduinLothar | -- |
| 20:09.38 | AnduinLothar | that's the timestamped signature, no? |
| 20:09.54 | Shadowed | That'd require me to know what the timestamp signature is |
| 20:10.06 | AnduinLothar | -- i thought |
| 20:10.14 | Shadowed | ah |
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| 20:10.30 | Mikk | Shadowed: ~~~~ |
| 20:10.42 | AnduinLothar | ah, tildas |
| 20:10.45 | Mikk | It says how to do it in a bunch of places :-P |
| 20:10.53 | AnduinLothar | no where in your face tho |
| 20:11.08 | AnduinLothar | should say it on every discussion edit page imo |
| 20:11.17 | Mikk | it says very much in your face in the votes |
| 20:11.20 | Mikk | just click edit and see |
| 20:11.32 | Shadowed | how dare you accuse me of paying attention |
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| 20:11.50 | AnduinLothar | anyway. i like the text formatting of #3, just not the layout |
| 20:12.24 | Mikk | it's easy to remove the max-width statement |
| 20:12.26 | Shadowed | agreed with AL, the color scheme is odd considering the wiki doesn't have much color in general |
| 20:12.39 | AnduinLothar | like the only good thing it has going in layout is that you can make the window 5in wide and still read it |
| 20:12.49 | Mikk | but making it flow to max width looks shit since there's so little text |
| 20:13.13 | AnduinLothar | right, can we make more collumns? |
| 20:13.22 | AnduinLothar | or collumns or collumns |
| 20:13.25 | AnduinLothar | of* |
| 20:13.54 | Mikk | how wide is your screen? |
| 20:14.01 | AnduinLothar | 20" wide |
| 20:14.02 | Mikk | i'm at 1280 and it looks good to me o.O |
| 20:14.06 | Mikk | pixels |
| 20:14.14 | AnduinLothar | 1680 i htink |
| 20:14.41 | AnduinLothar | 1680x1050 |
| 20:15.10 | Mikk | making a lot more columns kind of breaks down in lower resultions ya know |
| 20:15.10 | AnduinLothar | granted i dont usually strethc pages that wide |
| 20:15.27 | Shadowed | i'm at 1600x1200 and I don't think it looks that bad at maximum width, just don't like the color scheme |
| 20:15.28 | End | I don't like 3 because I have to scroll down to get to the API link :P |
| 20:15.38 | AnduinLothar | ya end same |
| 20:15.48 | Shadowed | go vote then! |
| 20:16.00 | AnduinLothar | nah, i'm trying to think of improvement |
| 20:16.20 | AnduinLothar | i prefer the current for accessability |
| 20:16.23 | End | well, I don't like 1, and 2 is pretty meh |
| 20:16.25 | Gryphen | Boo Cosmos libs ganked |
| 20:16.39 | AnduinLothar | mikk's been trying to do that for ages |
| 20:16.45 | Mikk | eh? |
| 20:16.47 | Mikk | ganked? |
| 20:16.58 | cogwheel | 2 looked nice until i got past the first box... all the other boxes below it gave me a headache |
| 20:17.04 | Gryphen | no one click access |
| 20:17.14 | Shadowed | I'd probably remove the "welcome to wiki" and such info since it's explained at the bottom anyway, and use less colors. |
| 20:17.35 | Shadowed | would use #3 then |
| 20:21.20 | Mikk | well.. it's not like i'm trying to twist anyone's arm.. vote for something if you like it, or don't vote at all if you could care less :-P |
| 20:22.14 | Gryphen | I vote for whatever gives the first project on the wiki top billing ;p |
| 20:22.27 | Gryphen | <3 |
| 20:22.30 | Mikk | haha |
| 20:23.58 | Hexarobi | move what is wiki? below the links is an excellent idea |
| 20:24.04 | Hexarobi | s/move/moving/ |
| 20:24.29 | Shadowed | not the what is wiki the "welcome to the wiki" at the top of the mage |
| 20:28.55 | Shadowed | anyway, AFK! |
| 20:32.19 | Mikk | I don't see what's wrong with having "welcome" at the top. Putting "welcome" below a wall of text is kinda silly imo :-P |
| 20:32.25 | Mikk | But that's just my opinion =) |
| 20:32.42 | Hexarobi | ya, i like the welcome at the top, then the links, then the what is wiki |
| 20:33.15 | Tain | I vote no welcome at all. |
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| 20:45.32 | Hexarobi | is there a way to force a reload of certain addons? |
| 20:45.49 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.02 | Hexarobi | like if im continually working on one, but i dont wanna disable everything but it because im in bg que |
| 20:46.12 | Kirov | can't be done localy to a single addon |
| 20:46.19 | Hexarobi | k |
| 20:46.28 | Hexarobi | they should code that in ;) |
| 20:46.49 | Abenadi | How do I break out early from a "for index,value in pairs(table) do" loop? |
| 20:47.03 | Abenadi | can I use "break"? |
| 20:47.37 | cogwheel | that's what break is for |
| 20:47.41 | cogwheel | no pun intended ;) |
| 20:48.22 | Abenadi | I wasn't sure if you could use break in a for loop, i knew you could use it in a while loop |
| 20:51.09 | Kaso | if you're learning lua abenadi its good to have lua standalone installed on your computer then you quicky test stuff like that out |
| 20:51.15 | cogwheel | technically it has nothing to do with the "for".... it's merely the do...end pair. (you can actually put do...end without for or while if you wanted) |
| 20:53.16 | cogwheel | at least that's what the manual seems to say ... |
| 20:55.49 | Mikk | Abenadi: http://luaforge.net/frs/download.php/788/lua5_0r2_Win32_bin.tar.gz |
| 21:00.51 | Kirkburn1 | C'mon please vote for my baby! =) http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Main_Page#Main_page_redesign_vote |
| 21:01.19 | Kirkburn1 | The baby you are looking for is number 3 |
| 21:01.33 | Kirkburn1 | It's "cute" |
| 21:01.39 | Kirov | Can I vote for option 4? |
| 21:01.44 | Kirkburn1 | And it'll grow up and solve world hunger |
| 21:01.46 | Mikk | If you design it first :-P |
| 21:02.28 | Kirov | It's just an empty page that says "WOW ZOMG WIKI" and a graphic of an arrow pointing to the side bar |
| 21:02.41 | Kirkburn1 | The baby you are looking for is number 3 |
| 21:03.27 | Kirkburn1 | Wait, shouldn't it be "WOW ZOMG WOW WIKI" |
| 21:03.53 | Mikk | !!!!!!!11111111oneoneeleven! |
| 21:04.09 | Kirkburn1 | With a big picture of Mr. Orly |
| 21:04.35 | Kirkburn1 | On the topic of the sidebar, I don't understand why the 'vote' is still there |
| 21:05.39 | Mikk | Because I need to be made an admin so I can remove it :-P |
| 21:06.10 | Kirkburn1 | I really would vote for you as an admin, y'know |
| 21:06.36 | Hexarobi | me too |
| 21:12.40 | Kirkburn | The baby you are looking for is number 3 |
| 21:13.02 | Gryphen | I vote current |
| 21:13.36 | Kirkburn | Why? |
| 21:13.51 | Kirkburn | (I'm open to suggestions) |
| 21:14.06 | Gryphen | reasons above :p |
| 21:14.11 | zenzelezz | neat, Amplify Magic for Ragnaros fight o_O |
| 21:14.28 | Gryphen | <3 advertising |
| 21:15.38 | Mikk | Gryphen wants the Cosmos link on the main page :-P |
| 21:16.15 | Kirkburn | Just noticed :P |
| 21:16.25 | Kirkburn | I thought it was |
| 21:16.28 | Kirkburn | It shuld be |
| 21:16.31 | Kirkburn | *should |
| 21:17.05 | Kirkburn | Adding it back now |
| 21:18.27 | Kirkburn | Would it be reasonable to add the blue tracker under useful links to balance it out? |
| 21:18.41 | Kirkburn | (Cosmos adds one to the left, leaving a space on the right) |
| 21:19.18 | Mikk | Sounds very useful |
| 21:19.26 | Mikk | Too few know about it |
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| 21:20.09 | AnduinLothar | put norg's forum scrubber on there too |
| 21:20.15 | Gryphen | i always forget about it |
| 21:20.20 | Gryphen | i always you thotts |
| 21:20.23 | Gryphen | use* |
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| 21:22.01 | Kirkburn | Link to norgs scrubber? |
| 21:22.21 | Kirkburn | Added Cosmos: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Main_Page_Dev_3 |
| 21:22.30 | Gryphen | http://wowscrubber.com/ |
| 21:24.16 | Kirov | we need this on the front page of WowWiki |
| 21:24.17 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/cosmosVSace.jpg |
| 21:24.38 | AnduinLothar | ace is a bunch of girl, eh? |
| 21:24.45 | Gryphen | lol |
| 21:25.13 | Kirov | yes, but hawt girls |
| 21:25.15 | Mikk | ... and that's why the front page is protected :-P |
| 21:25.53 | Shadowed | Cosmos would probably win from sheer size |
| 21:26.25 | Kirov | I wanted to find a picture of subzero vs. scorpion from MK3, but couldn't find it |
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| 21:27.27 | Kirov | mk3 had the best vs. screen |
| 21:27.35 | Rallion|Away | I wouldn't mess with Chun-Li |
| 21:27.41 | Hexarobee | haha |
| 21:27.50 | Hexarobee | i crashed and come back to mk vs street fighter? |
| 21:28.09 | Kirkburn | Updated the useful links: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Main_Page_Dev_3 |
| 21:29.26 | AnduinLothar | i'm working on a #4 |
| 21:29.48 | AnduinLothar | what's the link to the Addon cat? |
| 21:29.51 | Kirov | http://justclaws.atari.org/jag/images/mkiii.jpg roar |
| 21:30.09 | AnduinLothar | nm |
| 21:31.09 | Kirkburn | Also, I just fixed max-width to work on IE7 :D |
| 21:31.21 | Kirkburn | Mikk, it only works for divs, so it seems |
| 21:32.29 | Mikk | IE sux |
| 21:32.33 | Mikk | 80em not 50em? |
| 21:32.37 | Gryphen | FF sux |
| 21:32.39 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar complained |
| 21:32.46 | Kirkburn | 50em was pushing it rather |
| 21:32.51 | Mikk | Now I'm complaining. It looks retarted with all that space |
| 21:32.52 | Mikk | =) |
| 21:32.59 | Hexarobee | html sucks |
| 21:33.19 | Kirkburn | You can't please everyone :) |
| 21:33.25 | Kirov | yes you can |
| 21:33.34 | Hexarobee | let apple do it |
| 21:33.40 | Shadowed | it's called "telling everyone who disagrees to shut up and deal" |
| 21:33.40 | Mikk | AL shouldn't run his bloody browser full screen wide on his 1680 pixel wide screen. end of story :-P |
| 21:33.45 | Kirov | kill those who don't like it, and the remaining people will be "everyone" |
| 21:33.59 | Gryphen | I dont see any problem in IE with the version before your latest edit Kirkburn |
| 21:34.12 | Kirkburn | The max-width didn't work |
| 21:34.23 | Shadowed | I always run my browser at full screen, don't really like all the empty space in it |
| 21:34.25 | AnduinLothar | is there a page for non-addon develement tools? |
| 21:35.15 | Kirkburn | How do you mean? |
| 21:35.38 | Mikk | Do you want the width like it was or like it's now? (wider) |
| 21:35.39 | AnduinLothar | like blp2 converters and the xml creator app |
| 21:35.49 | Gryphen | i liked it as it was before in IE7 |
| 21:35.49 | Mikk | i think its in there AL |
| 21:35.51 | Mikk | somewhere |
| 21:35.57 | AnduinLothar | find a link for me |
| 21:36.23 | Gryphen | It may not have been what it was supposed to be, but i liked the look. |
| 21:36.27 | Cairenn | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_FAQ/AddOn_Author_Resources |
| 21:36.32 | AnduinLothar | and why'd the widget link get nuked from the front page candidates? |
| 21:36.32 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization "Development Tools" box |
| 21:36.47 | Mikk | Because of the nice interface customization menu that's actually useful now |
| 21:36.52 | Mikk | the one you're not looking at :-P |
| 21:37.23 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, the difference should only be that in IE7 it'll now limit the width rather than looking stupidly large on a widescreen monitor |
| 21:40.53 | Mikk | on a side note.. the lower half doesn't do that still :-P |
| 21:43.23 | Kirkburn | wha? |
| 21:43.40 | Kirkburn | The div encloses the entire table |
| 21:43.59 | Kirkburn | aha |
| 21:44.04 | AnduinLothar | 2 tables |
| 21:44.17 | Kirkburn | Sorted |
| 21:44.28 | Kirkburn | The other table still had a max-width defined |
| 21:44.45 | Kirkburn | (Okay the div enclosed both tables ;) |
| 21:44.54 | Kirkburn | And I notice you've reduced it to 60em now :/ |
| 21:45.46 | Kirkburn | It might be fine at 1280, but it starting to look odd at 1440 |
| 21:45.50 | AnduinLothar | 80 imo |
| 21:45.54 | Mikk | Everything looks shit about 1280 |
| 21:46.01 | Mikk | above* |
| 21:46.11 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 21:46.14 | Mikk | Either there'll be lots of space, or the lines will be too long to read |
| 21:46.17 | AnduinLothar | nm 60 is good for your vers |
| 21:46.25 | AnduinLothar | i added a collomn to mine and am using 80 |
| 21:47.22 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Main_Page_Dev_4 |
| 21:48.01 | Mikk | add it to the vote then =) |
| 21:48.12 | AnduinLothar | still thinking |
| 21:48.23 | Kirkburn | ewww |
| 21:48.30 | AnduinLothar | not sure i like the two font sizes on the top line |
| 21:48.49 | AnduinLothar | but i think 'welcome' is silly |
| 21:49.01 | Kirkburn | You have to remember that not everyone has a large monitor AnduinLothar |
| 21:49.16 | Kirkburn | We have to be able to support those at 1024 |
| 21:49.25 | AnduinLothar | ya, it's a little bunched up if i only use half my screen |
| 21:49.45 | Kirkburn | Don't let it stop you testing stuff though :D |
| 21:50.04 | AnduinLothar | doesn't look too bad on 1024 imo |
| 21:50.21 | Kirkburn | And 800x600 |
| 21:50.25 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 21:50.38 | AnduinLothar | nah, i dont support 800 |
| 21:50.55 | AnduinLothar | if you have a pda use a pda format |
| 21:51.08 | AnduinLothar | otherwise even 10" laptops have 1024 |
| 21:51.19 | Kirkburn | I know the welcome bit seems odd for frequent visitors, but there's always new people coming to the wiki, so they need something to welcome them |
| 21:51.27 | AnduinLothar | i dissagree |
| 21:51.51 | AnduinLothar | you dont put welcome in a header to a technical paper |
| 21:52.00 | AnduinLothar | and you dont put a welcome on a toc |
| 21:52.06 | Mikk | it's a front page |
| 21:52.06 | Kirkburn | This is a website though, not a technical paper :/ |
| 21:52.11 | AnduinLothar | why should you put one on a website |
| 21:52.12 | Mikk | we can move the toc to another page if you like |
| 21:52.33 | AnduinLothar | and increase page traffic needlessly? no thanks |
| 21:52.37 | Mikk | precisely :-P |
| 21:52.42 | Mikk | ah bah |
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| 21:53.09 | Gryphen | looked ok on my 24" widescreen :) |
| 21:53.23 | Kirkburn | *seeth* |
| 21:55.30 | Kirkburn | I'm really enjoying coding my websites :D Just converted a pure tables website of mine to pure divs, without it changing design at all =) |
| 22:08.41 | Kirkburn | Lol, I know I read the eredar page saying 'no female eredar have been seen' many many times, but never realised how obviously wrong it was :/ |
| 22:09.15 | Kirov | yeah, no playable female eredar have been seen, but the NPCs were all over the place at E3 |
| 22:17.25 | AnduinLothar | what's the main page bg color? |
| 22:17.36 | AnduinLothar | 303030 is too dark |
| 22:19.44 | Kirkburn | The site's backgrounds are 333333 |
| 22:19.48 | AnduinLothar | 333333 it is |
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| 22:31.17 | AnduinLothar | gah... none of the dark blue colors display correctly |
| 22:31.40 | zespri_work | what are you doing, Anduin? |
| 22:31.55 | AnduinLothar | working on http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=WoWWiki:Main_Page_Dev_4 |
| 22:34.41 | AnduinLothar | there, changed the header |
| 22:38.15 | zespri_work | Btw, Andu, do we have sane template for cosmos addon desc? I was going to add a page for DurabilityStatus |
| 22:40.06 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/ArcanePartyBars or http://www.wowwiki.com/TellTrack |
| 22:40.17 | zespri_work | cheers |
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| 22:53.45 | AnduinLothar | ok, i added mine, you can vote for it now |
| 22:53.56 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Main_Page#Main_page_redesign_vote |
| 22:55.38 | AnduinLothar | ok, that's enough website putzing for one day for me |
| 23:00.45 | AnduinLothar | #4 |
| 23:01.19 | Shadowed | I only see Old, 1, 2, 3 |
| 23:01.54 | Shadowed | IE cache is being annoying |
| 23:02.10 | clad|work | AnduinLothar: What was I working on? |
| 23:03.14 | AnduinLothar | mmm, i'm not positive it was you clad, but i remember someone askign dolby to allow for remote addon publishing and someone was workign on a script to upload them from you computer |
| 23:04.56 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Ah no, that wasn't me =) |
| 23:05.00 | AnduinLothar | hmmm |
| 23:05.03 | cladhaire | I think ckknight looked at it |
| 23:05.05 | cladhaire | but don't quote me on it =) |
| 23:06.26 | AnduinLothar | what don't you like about it? |
| 23:06.42 | Shadowed | It doesn't match the wiki at all |
| 23:07.06 | AnduinLothar | the wiki's completely uncolored |
| 23:07.15 | AnduinLothar | color takes time |
| 23:07.25 | Shadowed | Having every page uncolored and then only one colored looks odd in general |
| 23:07.32 | AnduinLothar | most pages dont need to be visually appealing |
| 23:07.58 | AnduinLothar | well, the main page WAS uncolored, that was the standard set |
| 23:08.14 | AnduinLothar | if you want to color things you have to make a prominent example |
| 23:09.00 | Shadowed | If you want to start coloring things then you should probably discuss how you're going to do it, and not just update one page |
| 23:09.05 | AnduinLothar | needs to bee a wiki shortcut for those header bars |
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| 23:11.46 | Seracht | hi |
| 23:11.54 | Seracht | if I have a question about a mod where would I ask it? |
| 23:12.05 | Seracht | it says not to ask in replies about the mod |
| 23:12.44 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 23:14.04 | Cairenn | wb |
| 23:14.52 | Kirkburn | Y'know I hadn't realised that it's only 2 months until Vista is supposed to be finished |
| 23:15.19 | AnduinLothar | where's gello... |
| 23:15.24 | AnduinLothar | ~seen gello |
| 23:15.43 | purl | gello <n=chatzill@pool-71-241-204-241.port.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 15d 7h 46m 5s ago, saying: 'DressUpModel:SetUnit takes eons on 1.12. If any of you have a mod that uses models I'd make sure you use PlayerModel instead.'. |
| 23:15.51 | Hexarobee | sera, i think the idea is every mod gets a thread in the forums for asking questions |
| 23:15.54 | Kirkburn | Shadowed, it's the main page - it's not as if all of wikipedia's pages look like their front page |
| 23:16.05 | ckknight | Kirkburn, you really think Vista will come in 2 months? |
| 23:16.08 | ckknight | I don't |
| 23:16.20 | ckknight | and I see Vista as a good thing |
| 23:17.33 | Kirkburn | Interesting article on it: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_ready.asp |
| 23:20.37 | Kirkburn | A rather humourous article :P |
| 23:21.02 | cogwheel | hehe.... "And then there are the online pundits, many of whom are barely old enough to legally buy alcohol. These guys are classic. Let's just say that a lack of experience and a strongly worded opinion don't result in the most coherent of arguments and leave it at that." |
| 23:22.01 | Seracht | Hexarobee alright |
| 23:22.02 | Seracht | thanks |
| 23:22.07 | Seracht | kirk problem with clearfont lol |
| 23:22.29 | Kirkburn | Hello to you too :) |
| 23:22.36 | Seracht | hi |
| 23:22.49 | Kirkburn | sorry ... seracht dood, hi, lolz |
| 23:22.52 | Seracht | I tried changing the font (by changing font in the /fonts folder) but clearfont overrides it to its normal font |
| 23:22.53 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 23:23.04 | Seracht | so I deleted clear font :( |
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| 23:23.42 | Kirkburn | Confused |
| 23:23.56 | Seracht | ok |
| 23:24.17 | Seracht | I downloaded clearfont (the newest ones) and it has 2 folders, one that is in addons and one in the main WoW folder (this is the /Fonts folder) |
| 23:24.30 | Seracht | I tried to change fonts, (to calibiri) so I changed it in the fonts folder |
| 23:24.43 | Seracht | but when I load the UI, clearfont switches it over to the clearfont font you have |
| 23:25.15 | Kirkburn | You have to replace all the font files |
| 23:25.51 | Kirkburn | (going back to Vista ... I hope that for the next version, Vienna, they'll just say it'll be done when it's done) |
| 23:26.43 | Kirkburn | The WoW/Fonts folder does the basic work, the AddOn...\Fonts folder does all the different styles |
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| 23:27.56 | Seracht | oh |
| 23:27.57 | Seracht | ok |
| 23:27.58 | Seracht | :) thanks |
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| 23:29.42 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 23:29.59 | Tuplad | What's the difference between this:RegisterEvent and self:RegisterEvent ? |
| 23:30.14 | cladhaire | Tuplad: this: does it on the frame, self: uses AceEvent. |
| 23:30.38 | Tuplad | aha |
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| 23:34.21 | Kirkburn | Let us celebrate random british weirdness: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Signs/ |
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