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| 00:37.14 | Tem | ~raid status |
| 00:37.15 | purl | We are currently at frowny face raid status. |
| 00:37.36 | Tem | :( |
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| 01:29.30 | End-afk | ~hi |
| 01:29.34 | purl | hello, end-afk |
| 01:29.43 | Cogwheel | he's back! |
| 01:30.06 | Cogwheel | is there a manual somewhere on how to use him? |
| 01:30.14 | Cogwheel | ~boggle |
| 01:30.20 | Cogwheel | (just testing) |
| 01:32.04 | Cairenn | ~lart Cogwheel |
| 01:32.44 | Tem | Why is my server stable all week except the one night we decide to go into BWL? |
| 01:34.23 | Cairenn | because you decided to go to BWL, duh |
| 01:38.02 | Tem | god damn |
| 01:38.04 | Tem | I hate vael |
| 01:38.32 | Tem | it's hard enough without serious server issues |
| 01:41.44 | Kaelten | hows it going guys? |
| 01:42.31 | Cairenn | hi Kaelten |
| 01:43.01 | Kaelten | heya Cairenn |
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| 01:45.35 | Cairenn | Cogwheel: approved, you can link to it now |
| 01:45.43 | Cogwheel | My BatteryMinder addon is now ready for beta testing... I would appreciate any feedback (or localization help). |
| 01:45.47 | Cogwheel | hehe... thanks |
| 01:45.50 | Cogwheel | beat me to it :) |
| 01:46.12 | Tem | oh ffs |
| 01:46.19 | Tem | now people are getting DC |
| 01:46.24 | Tem | and blowing people the fuck up |
| 01:46.28 | Tem | god damnit |
| 01:46.42 | Cairenn | would have been quicker, but had to ban someone and delete a thread first |
| 01:47.14 | Tem | I hate Vael |
| 01:47.44 | Cogwheel | hehe... I hardly had time to type my first message above... i can't complain ;) |
| 01:47.59 | Cogwheel | now... if only WoW forums would respond as fast :\ |
| 01:54.49 | Cairenn | since he doesn't believe in them: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5195-BatteryMinder.html |
| 01:56.07 | Cogwheel | hmm? |
| 01:56.18 | Cogwheel | don't quite believe in what? |
| 01:56.31 | Cairenn | links :p |
| 01:56.40 | Cairenn | you ask people to test, but don't give a link :p |
| 01:57.27 | Cogwheel | now see what ya did? just missed the boat to menethil... :P yeah... for some reason i thought i copied the link from the wow forum :\ |
| 01:57.56 | Cogwheel | I have no idea how to use purl so if this is newbish forgive me.... |
| 01:58.00 | Cairenn | awwww, poor Cogwheel ;) |
| 01:58.00 | Cogwheel | ~thank Cairenn |
| 01:58.00 | purl | Cogwheel: de nada |
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| 01:58.20 | Cairenn | nice try, appreciate the thought :) |
| 02:05.33 | Tem | wow.. |
| 02:05.40 | Tem | apparently my entire server can't beat Vael tonight |
| 02:08.19 | Kaelten | Spider Begone is funny |
| 02:16.42 | Tem | oh GOD DAMNIT |
| 02:16.46 | Tem | now we lose our next tank |
| 02:16.51 | Tem | what the fuck |
| 02:16.54 | Tem | seirously |
| 02:17.51 | Tem | yay |
| 02:17.56 | Tem | that makes 3 1% wipes |
| 02:21.36 | Iriel | Maybe it's a new attack strategy emerging from Vael? |
| 02:21.52 | Iriel | The monster AI has developed real intelligence and is affecting the matrix from the inside? |
| 02:24.54 | cladhaire | iriel.. i'm sitting over here stressed, working on like 19 things.. and that just made me laugh for a good minute =) |
| 02:28.38 | Iriel | Sounds like you're having a similar day to me, glad I could help 8-) |
| 02:29.07 | Flyoc | you shouldn't be on IRC while you fight |
| 02:29.10 | cladhaire | I'm just wading through correspondence for my PhD |
| 02:29.34 | Flyoc | more like playing ANZAC HOLDEM |
| 02:29.37 | cladhaire | trying to get emails off to past professors letting them know what I'm trying to do, and asking for advice, while inquiring about schools overseas and finding schools over here that don't repuse me. |
| 02:31.48 | Cogwheel | ahhhh... academia.... as much as I don't miss it, i'm planning to go to law school soon |
| 02:32.02 | Iriel | I miss it greatly |
| 02:32.15 | Iriel | But I dont miss having no income |
| 02:32.18 | Iriel | so i guess I stay where I am 8-) |
| 02:32.43 | Tem | you have to be fucking joking |
| 02:32.47 | Tem | we finally kill Vael |
| 02:32.53 | Tem | and he drops double wrath |
| 02:32.57 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:33.00 | Tem | not a single warrior in the raid need it |
| 02:34.00 | cladhaire | =/ |
| 02:36.02 | clad|sleep | zomg |
| 02:53.52 | Hexarobi | anybody wanna help me with an experiment? i have an addon that uses PlaySoundFile and checks the retured value to see if the sound was played successfully |
| 02:54.05 | Hexarobi | it works fine on my machine, but his returns true if it worked or not |
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| 02:54.14 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 02:54.26 | Hexarobi | so i wrote up a simple test case, and wondering if anyone will check it out and lemme know if it works for them |
| 02:54.26 | End | hey, helllllo |
| 02:54.37 | Hexarobi | http://www.hexarobi.com/PSFcheck.zip |
| 02:54.57 | Hexarobi | saying /psfcheck should play a ding sound and say it played |
| 02:55.01 | Cairenn | hi Esamynn |
| 02:55.23 | Hexarobi | saying /psfcheck no shouldnt play anything and say the file wasnt found, if it says successfully played somethings fishy |
| 02:55.41 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 02:55.46 | Iriel | Hexarobi : Are you remembering to restart the client between tests? |
| 02:55.49 | Iriel | And is the other person? |
| 02:56.03 | Iriel | Because it wont pick up changes that happen mid-session (or if it does, that's a bug) |
| 02:56.06 | Hexarobi | so that new files are discovered? yes |
| 02:56.17 | Hexarobi | the problem isnt not finding new files |
| 02:56.23 | Hexarobi | its saying it found files that arent there |
| 02:56.45 | Iriel | I'm just wondering if the tester did this: Start wow, play file, remove file, try to play file |
| 02:57.37 | Hexarobi | i doubt it |
| 02:57.38 | Iriel | Hopefully folks can test it on multiple OS'es |
| 02:57.40 | Hexarobi | double checking to make sure |
| 02:57.58 | Iriel | I look forward to seeing the results tho 8-) Outta here for now |
| 02:58.09 | Hexarobi | but my plugin works by listening for )soundname then trying to play soundname.wav and checking if the file was found |
| 02:58.19 | Hexarobi | doh ;) |
| 02:59.15 | Hexarobi | if anybody cares ;) for him it would find anything anyone said with ), so it would see )blahblah and find the file blahblah.wav when there was no such file |
| 02:59.36 | Hexarobi | thinking it must be something at the sound card driver level |
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| 03:05.40 | Hexarobi | if i wanted to post it as a bug, would it be better to do it at the official wow support forums? or on wowinterface.com? |
| 03:07.29 | Cairenn | depends on what the bug is? addon bug? or bug with the game? |
| 03:07.58 | Hexarobi | bug with addon support |
| 03:08.13 | Hexarobi | the PlaySoundFile() return value isnt constant accross systems |
| 03:08.26 | Hexarobi | maybe its as intended |
| 03:08.32 | Tem | known bug, afaik |
| 03:08.41 | Cairenn | that's a problem on Blizzard's end, from the sounds of it, so it'd belong on the blizz forums |
| 03:09.54 | Hexarobi | where would i read about it if its known bug? i tried a seach of blizz forums, came up with a bunch of references to PlaySoundFile being disabled up until the last patch |
| 03:11.06 | Esamynn | one would _hope_ such a bug was documented on the Wiki, but it isn't atm |
| 03:11.38 | zespri_work | zinor, do they send you an e-mail when they ban you from Wow? or they just ban? |
| 03:11.45 | zespri_work | zinor |
| 03:11.52 | zespri_work | zinor` |
| 03:11.54 | zespri_work | =) |
| 03:12.08 | Esamynn | ~cheeseslap zespri_work |
| 03:12.14 | purl | ACTION slaps zespri_work around with a piece of emmenthaler |
| 03:13.48 | Cairenn | hahaha |
| 03:13.59 | Esamynn | lol, I was just bugging you for the number of errors :P |
| 03:14.18 | zespri_work | you know what? I can do this as well: |
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| 03:15.09 | zespri_work | is this better? =) |
| 03:15.33 | Esamynn | lart zespri_work |
| 03:15.43 | Esamynn | ~lart zespri_work |
| 03:15.51 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 03:15.51 | purl | :), Esamynn |
| 03:18.04 | Esamynn | zespri |
| 03:18.09 | Esamynn | mt |
| 03:19.29 | Esamynn | sooo, stress test on the beta forums tomorrow, it looks like they are going to shut us down for 24hrs, unless they are going to add a UI forum to the beta forums as well |
| 03:22.36 | Cairenn | :( |
| 03:27.22 | Esamynn | hmm, troll, or just really thick?: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=421206 |
| 03:29.22 | Cairenn | addon *kit*? think he downloaded the Blizz Custom UI tool |
| 03:30.02 | Esamynn | that's my guess |
| 03:31.57 | Hexarobi | hehe theres 3 folders in that, one of which is named Tutorial |
| 03:32.45 | Esamynn | yes, my guess is that it's either a bad troll, or someone who is completely clueless about what UI work entails |
| 03:36.20 | Triadian | Hexarobi : - pm ? |
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| 03:39.40 | Hexarobi | ? |
| 03:41.41 | Triadian | guess you dont get pm's ? |
| 03:41.59 | Hexarobi | did u send me one? |
| 03:42.01 | Hexarobi | i normally do |
| 03:42.06 | Triadian | actually no i got blocked sec |
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| 03:42.43 | Cairenn | are you registered and indentified? |
| 03:42.48 | Cairenn | hey hey norgs! |
| 03:42.52 | norganna | yes |
| 03:42.55 | norganna | yes i am |
| 03:43.00 | Cairenn | not you ;) |
| 03:43.22 | norganna | oh - ok...i thought it was a bit funny you'd be asking me a question as soon as i looged in |
| 03:43.28 | norganna | :p |
| 03:43.30 | Hexarobi | lets just air our dirty laundry out in the open for the channel triad |
| 03:43.51 | norganna | ahh - Triadian is gere |
| 03:43.55 | Triadian | Cairenn: lol not yet but getting there |
| 03:44.20 | norganna | anyhow - who's sick of pastebin? |
| 03:44.20 | Triadian | ok hex - |
| 03:44.27 | Triadian | was looking at that test addon you gave |
| 03:44.37 | Hexarobi | ya |
| 03:44.47 | Triadian | i spotted 2 slight probs that might help you |
| 03:44.53 | norganna | http://pastey.net <-- My new project |
| 03:45.20 | Triadian | the no was case sensitive so if they typed /psfcheck NO it would play |
| 03:45.26 | Triadian | or No etc |
| 03:45.54 | MentalPower | very nice little project norgs |
| 03:45.58 | Triadian | also it doesn't paste \arg2 so /psfcheck wow would still be psfcheck yes |
| 03:46.25 | Triadian | hence it never searches for wow.mp3 just yes.mp3 |
| 03:46.29 | Hexarobi | ya that ones as intended, but ur right its a lil confusing, i should make the default a help menu |
| 03:46.30 | Triadian | and finds it |
| 03:47.05 | Hexarobi | this simple version isnt meant to play anything other than yes.wav |
| 03:47.33 | Hexarobi | i wrote an addon that is meant to handle different sounds, this is just a striped down version for testing |
| 03:47.33 | Triadian | just checking - from your bug report it made it sound like it was looking for a unknown file and finding it |
| 03:47.44 | Triadian | i figured hence the reason for the PM |
| 03:47.46 | Hexarobi | when my friend does /psfcheck no |
| 03:47.55 | Triadian | but the case sensitive might help the other user etc |
| 03:47.56 | Hexarobi | it doesnt play a sound, but PlaySoundFile() still returns true |
| 03:48.15 | Hexarobi | ya ill look into removing case sensititvity |
| 03:48.30 | Hexarobi | but i dont think he was using weird case |
| 03:48.30 | Triadian | is he doing no or a variation such as /PSFCHECK NO |
| 03:48.37 | Triadian | k just making ya aware |
| 03:48.43 | Triadian | i go back into hiding now |
| 03:48.58 | Hexarobi | thx=) |
| 03:51.24 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.30 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.32 | Triadian | i did it :P lol |
| 03:51.39 | Cairenn | congrats :p |
| 03:51.54 | Triadian | although dont need to identify after the reg |
| 03:52.09 | Cairenn | not this time, no, but whenever you log in from now on |
| 03:52.23 | Triadian | yeah used it nefore but had a wierd alias kicking in |
| 03:52.30 | Triadian | dont ya had modded mirc |
| 03:52.36 | Triadian | had = Hate |
| 03:52.54 | Triadian | my typing sucks i must be getting tired |
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| 03:56.25 | Cairenn | welcome back Iriel |
| 03:56.29 | Iriel | Hexarobi : How went the play sound file testing? |
| 03:56.35 | Hexarobi | wb |
| 03:56.38 | Hexarobi | no news |
| 03:56.46 | Iriel | Did anyone run your test yet? |
| 03:56.54 | Hexarobi | triad pointed out a few bugs in my test app, but they dont account for the problem |
| 03:57.00 | Triadian | oh i forgot - all was as it should be - no counting the errors :P |
| 03:57.08 | Hexarobi | triad did =) |
| 03:57.12 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 03:57.19 | Triadian | bah just tri plz i aint chinese |
| 03:57.27 | Hexarobi | haha ok |
| 04:07.06 | Hexarobi | ok updated, www.hexarobi.com/PSFcheck.zip |
| 04:08.33 | MentalPower | Iriel: http://pastey.net <---Norganna's new project |
| 04:09.00 | zespri_work | does anybody know a tool that intercept posts that you do in browser and allows you to change different request values on the fly before doing actual post? This is used for security testing, such as if you like loging to a bank site and then try to susbtite your account number being posted to someone else's so you can make sure that it won't allow you to view somebody else's info |
| 04:09.23 | norganna | for firefox... |
| 04:09.44 | Iriel | Purty |
| 04:10.15 | norganna | iriel: i'mworking ondiffs at the moment |
| 04:11.35 | Hexarobi | nice |
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| 04:13.08 | Iriel | I dont like that submitting a new pastey doesn't drop you on the pastey |
| 04:13.23 | Iriel | And the followup should default to the language of the original? |
| 04:13.29 | norganna | so you want to go straight to the pastey? |
| 04:13.40 | norganna | yes - it should :) |
| 04:14.00 | norganna | are you getting it ------- too? |
| 04:14.13 | norganna | i thought it was just my browser being bogus |
| 04:14.37 | Iriel | What do you mean by -------- ? It drops to None each time. |
| 04:14.56 | Iriel | Also, a feature i'd love to have is that if nobody else has looked at the pastey, i'd like to be able to edit in place |
| 04:15.01 | Esamynn | hey norganna, it has been a while |
| 04:15.11 | norganna | hmmm |
| 04:15.26 | norganna | ok, sounds do-able |
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| 04:15.46 | Iriel | Often I dont spot problems (wrong language, typo, etc) until I hit post |
| 04:15.56 | norganna | yeah - me too |
| 04:16.20 | norganna | ok - gotta go pick up my car from being serviced - brb |
| 04:16.35 | Hexarobi | http://pastey.net/12 |
| 04:19.14 | Iriel | Hexarobi : How does PlaySoundFile handle playing sounds too close together? Does it at some point just skip any? |
| 04:20.13 | Hexarobi | yes |
| 04:20.34 | Hexarobi | if there are 2 sounds playing at once, and you try to play a 3rd, it returns nil |
| 04:20.47 | Hexarobi | 2 is the limit for my soundcard at least |
| 04:21.04 | Hexarobi | but thats still not my problem |
| 04:21.08 | Hexarobi | i worked around that |
| 04:21.16 | Hexarobi | my problem is not returning nil when the file doesnt exist |
| 04:21.31 | Iriel | Does it do that to you, or to a user? |
| 04:21.46 | Iriel | And is there any possibility they have an AddOn installed that hooks PlaySoundFile badly? |
| 04:21.48 | Hexarobi | my friend who is a user |
| 04:21.55 | Hexarobi | hmm thats an idea |
| 04:26.44 | Hexarobi | just had him disable all addons except psfcheck, same result |
| 04:28.25 | Iriel | What O/S is he on? |
| 04:28.41 | Hexarobi | winxp sp2, same as me |
| 04:28.53 | Hexarobi | hes got an intel 945 mobo, using onboard audio |
| 04:29.07 | Iriel | Does he have sound enabled? |
| 04:29.16 | Iriel | In-game, that is |
| 04:29.27 | Hexarobi | yes, he hears the yes |
| 04:29.40 | Hexarobi | its not a problem with sounds not working |
| 04:29.51 | Hexarobi | its a problem with giving a false positive when checking if a file exists |
| 04:30.09 | Iriel | I know, I was wondering if the drivers were short-circuiting everything with sound off |
| 04:30.21 | Hexarobi | ah\ |
| 04:30.35 | Iriel | Another possibly stupid question, he doesn't have a no.wav file in that directory from an earlier experiment does he? |
| 04:31.05 | Hexarobi | hehe no |
| 04:31.21 | Hexarobi | asking to double check, but hes the kind of person whod know better |
| 04:31.29 | Hexarobi | nope |
| 04:31.43 | Triadian | FYI - i disabled all sound and tested yes.wav wasn't found |
| 04:32.01 | Hexarobi | the problem was manifesting in my other addon, so i boiled it down to this simple testcase to prove it was a problem in playsoundfile |
| 04:32.03 | Triadian | although kinda wierd all sound off music on and i hear music which was confusing |
| 04:37.25 | Cairenn | night Tri-Away |
| 04:37.27 | Hexarobi | hehe nice |
| 04:37.28 | Esamynn | Triadian: yes, it has worked that why for as long as I can remember, All Sound doesn't apply to music ;) |
| 04:37.30 | Hexarobi | night |
| 04:37.31 | Iriel | Hexarobi : If your friend does /psftest wibblewobble do they get true or false? |
| 04:37.33 | Esamynn | night Tri-Away |
| 04:37.43 | Tri-Away | night all - |
| 04:37.46 | Hexarobi | they should get the help display |
| 04:37.51 | Tri-Away | i did |
| 04:37.59 | Tri-Away | although i didnt do wibblewobble :P |
| 04:38.07 | Hexarobi | but in my other plugin, the one that the behavior was originally noticed, it always returns true |
| 04:38.08 | Iriel | Can you make it accept more than just 'yes' and 'no' then |
| 04:38.12 | Hexarobi | even if he types in wibblewobble |
| 04:38.18 | Iriel | something entirely random |
| 04:38.27 | Iriel | I'm wanting a specific psftest use here |
| 04:38.46 | Hexarobi | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4560-1-soundshare.html |
| 04:38.46 | Iriel | I'm assuming your user has been doing psftest and not your other addon (and the updated version of psftest) |
| 04:39.53 | Hexarobi | he was originally using soundshare, wich listens for )soundname and sees if it exists when it tries to play it, and if it does exist add it to a list of sounds |
| 04:39.56 | Hexarobi | for me it works fine |
| 04:40.13 | Hexarobi | for him, anything anyone says with )blahblah gets blahblah added to his list, if the sound works or not |
| 04:41.00 | Hexarobi | i made psfcheck just to make sure the problem was in playsoundfile() not in my code |
| 04:46.25 | Iriel | Hexarobi : Why dont you use table.insert on SoundShare_addSoundToList? |
| 04:46.47 | Hexarobi | cuz i didnt know it existed ;) |
| 04:48.07 | Iriel | I'd suggest maintaining a cache table with the lowercase name of each sound as a key |
| 04:48.22 | Iriel | then you can just do if SoundShareKnown[string.lower(sname)]) then return; end |
| 04:49.39 | Hexarobi | the table is just a list of sound names, not a hash |
| 04:49.45 | Iriel | yes |
| 04:49.46 | Iriel | I know |
| 04:49.55 | Hexarobi | i dont see why id need to make it a has |
| 04:49.55 | Iriel | which is why you have to do a linear search every time you want to insert |
| 04:49.57 | Hexarobi | hash |
| 04:50.09 | Iriel | So you dont have to do a linear search every time you play a sound, of course |
| 04:50.32 | Hexarobi | ok |
| 04:50.53 | Iriel | You dont have to save the hash, just the list |
| 04:51.07 | Iriel | build the hash the first time addSoundToList or removeSoundFromList is called |
| 04:51.10 | Iriel | and maintain it from that point on |
| 04:51.38 | Iriel | The lowercase thing is probably dangerous for mac users, so dont do that 8-) |
| 04:51.44 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 04:53.28 | Hexarobi | i need to read up a bit on hashes before i attempt this ;) |
| 04:53.40 | Iriel | lua tables are easy |
| 04:53.44 | Iriel | key = "blah"; |
| 04:53.47 | Iriel | tableName[key] = 1; |
| 04:53.55 | Iriel | if (tableName[key]) then --[[ is in table]] end |
| 04:54.03 | Iriel | tableName[key] = nil; -- Remove entry |
| 04:54.08 | norganna | the OSX filesystem is not case sensitive |
| 04:54.44 | Iriel | norganna : Really? 8-( OSX just went down a notch in my estimation 8-( |
| 04:55.02 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 04:56.01 | Hexarobi | but i want to save the list as a list not a hash? |
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| 04:56.22 | Iriel | That doesn't really matter |
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| 04:56.26 | Hexarobi | ok |
| 04:56.30 | norganna | http://www.pastey.net/14 |
| 04:56.32 | Iriel | If you save the list, then it's ordered |
| 04:56.46 | Iriel | If you save the hash then you have to maintain an ordered list somewhere else |
| 04:57.05 | Hexarobi | can i do a check to see if my variable is a list, if so, update it to a hash, and from then on use it as a hash? |
| 04:57.17 | Hexarobi | ah ok |
| 04:57.20 | Iriel | Well, you could see if the keys are numeric |
| 04:57.32 | Iriel | if tableName[1] then --[[probably a list]] end |
| 04:57.39 | Hexarobi | but if i have to maintain an ordered list, what good does the hash do me, i have to add and remove from the list and the hash? |
| 04:57.48 | norganna | you can actually create a case-sensitive file system in OSX, but the default one emulates windows behaviour |
| 04:58.07 | Iriel | Hexarobi : Because EVERY TIME you play a sound, you check to see if the file is in your list already |
| 04:58.16 | Iriel | Hexarobi : But your scrollable window wants an ordered list |
| 04:58.29 | Iriel | You could create the ordered list on demand when you have the window visible |
| 04:59.13 | Hexarobi | ok so the hash is to speed up searching the list |
| 04:59.32 | Hexarobi | ok |
| 04:59.54 | Cairenn | hahahahaha: http://www.msnbc.com/comics/daily.asp?sfile=nq060725&vts=72520062135 |
| 05:00.10 | Cairenn | and on that cheerful note ... night guys |
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| 05:00.27 | Hexarobi | local tableName; if (tableName == nil) then --[[ build hash ]] end |
| 05:00.28 | Hexarobi | ? |
| 05:00.47 | Hexarobi | night |
| 05:00.51 | Iriel | Well, you wouldn't make it local within a function, you'd make it file-local |
| 05:01.01 | Iriel | Night cair |
| 05:01.02 | norganna | nite cair |
| 05:01.11 | Hexarobi | yes |
| 05:01.26 | Hexarobi | but if its equal to nil, create it, otherwise use it |
| 05:01.30 | Hexarobi | werd |
| 05:01.38 | Hexarobi | i should do this now before i forget it |
| 05:01.39 | Hexarobi | but im tired |
| 05:01.40 | Hexarobi | oy |
| 05:01.51 | Iriel | Add a -- TODO comment |
| 05:01.54 | Iriel | Then you wont forget |
| 05:01.59 | Iriel | and take care of it when you're awake |
| 05:02.07 | Iriel | Your life will be easier if you dont code tired |
| 05:02.49 | Esamynn | what, don't code tired, what blasphamy is this? ;) |
| 05:03.36 | Iriel | I didn't say you couldn't, just that invariably you're better off if you code awake |
| 05:03.55 | Esamynn | pft, what common sense nonsense is this? |
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| 05:04.36 | Iriel | It's not, i'm just playing along 8-) |
| 05:04.44 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 05:06.33 | Shadowed | Coding half asleep is more fun |
| 05:07.00 | Esamynn | the problem with coding tired is that when you come back to that piece of code where you wonder "what the hell was I thinking?" you don't know if it was because you were tired or because you're plain loosing it ;) |
| 05:07.15 | Iriel | Exactly |
| 05:07.18 | Hexarobi | when removing from the hash, i need to also remove from the list right? |
| 05:07.20 | Iriel | Drunk and tired is even more interesting |
| 05:07.34 | Iriel | Hexarobi : You would, indeed. |
| 05:08.07 | Esamynn | Iriel: sometimes I think thats the common state for a decent number of the AddOn authors out there........ j/k |
| 05:08.08 | Iriel | Hexarobi : But if it's not in the hash you know it's not in the list, so you can skip some work when it's not reqiured. Mind you, you dont automatically do removals so that's not so much a concern. |
| 05:08.24 | Iriel | Esamynn : I'd be inclined to add 'contract programmers' to that list, but I had a bad day |
| 05:08.38 | Iriel | normally i give them a bit more benefit of the doubt |
| 05:08.44 | Esamynn | ooh oh oh, I _completey_ agree |
| 05:09.12 | Esamynn | I've seen first hand some of the awful work they can produce |
| 05:09.47 | Esamynn | so if you need to vent.... 8) |
| 05:11.20 | Iriel | That would make my life much easier |
| 05:11.24 | Shadowed | so what happened today Iriel! |
| 05:12.04 | Esamynn | oh, but Iriel, that would be far, far too sensible and/or logical to be the right thing to do! |
| 05:12.18 | Iriel | At the end of an already long for other reasons day, I got asked to look into a lingering bug on our current project |
| 05:12.58 | Iriel | The first half hour was taken up finding and removing the brokenness that was thrown in as a supposed fix for the real problem (which theyd idn't understand) |
| 05:14.03 | Iriel | And then the next hour was finding and fixing the real problem which was where I'd suggested they to check in the first place |
| 05:14.29 | Shadowed | ouch |
| 05:14.58 | Iriel | (The bug has been open for 3 1/2 weeks) |
| 05:15.08 | Esamynn | you know, on a bit of a tangent, I'm never sure which is worse, lack of comments or comments that are just plain WRONG, especially when it comes to function header comment blocks |
| 05:15.16 | Iriel | The latter is worse |
| 05:15.41 | Esamynn | yes, I tend to agree |
| 05:15.53 | Iriel | Comments cut and pasted from a similar but sufficiently different module is probably the real worst |
| 05:16.13 | Esamynn | oh, yes, that would definately be the worst case scenario |
| 05:16.30 | Iriel | Speaking of bad code |
| 05:16.37 | Rallion | I'm ten minutes late with this, but IMO the worst thing about coding tired happens when you write code that works incredibly well, better than any other way you can think of, but you can't actually figure out why it works. |
| 05:16.40 | Iriel | I worked with someone one who practiced what I call 'empirical programming' |
| 05:16.56 | Iriel | Namely trying lots of different things randomly until something worked |
| 05:17.08 | Rallion | Heh, that's how I learned C. |
| 05:17.11 | Iriel | what made him really bad was that he wouldn't remove all of the old redundant code |
| 05:17.17 | Rallion | But learning != doing. |
| 05:17.31 | Iriel | so it'd do bizarre things like fetch a thousand database records then never reference them |
| 05:17.47 | Hexarobi | how do i declare a hash? |
| 05:17.56 | Iriel | Hexarobi : Lua just has tables |
| 05:17.57 | Hexarobi | i tried just SoundShareDataHash[key] = 1 and it said nil value |
| 05:18.01 | Iriel | they're hashes AND arrays |
| 05:18.06 | Hexarobi | ok so i just need to do SoundShareDataHash = {} ; |
| 05:18.07 | Hexarobi | ? |
| 05:18.10 | Iriel | yup |
| 05:18.14 | Esamynn | Hexarobi: tables are wonderful, they are your firend, they do EVERYTHING |
| 05:18.23 | Esamynn | they are Lua's one and only data structure |
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| 05:18.47 | Iriel | Arguably functions and upvalues are another rather restrictive one |
| 05:19.21 | Esamynn | well, you could do that, if you wanted to pretend Lua was a functional language |
| 05:19.41 | Iriel | They can be cute for abstraction too, albeit not very efficient |
| 05:20.34 | Esamynn | I remember, I got caught by a function header that was just plain wrong once, fortunately it was only in the training package for the project |
| 05:23.39 | Iriel | I just ran the entire length of the barrens, and now thanks to this conversation, I dont remember why |
| 05:23.47 | Hexarobi | hahahaha |
| 05:24.11 | Hexarobi | well i got close but its giving me a funky error and my debug message isnt even printing which is weird |
| 05:24.22 | Hexarobi | its erroring on the line after my print, but not printing |
| 05:24.33 | Hexarobi | ill look at it in the mornin when im fresh |
| 05:24.44 | Hexarobi | thx for the help iriel |
| 05:24.47 | Esamynn | wow.pastebin.com if you want a 2nd pair of eyes |
| 05:24.51 | Hexarobi | ill post that psfcheck before i pass out |
| 05:25.34 | Hexarobi | http://pastey.net/15 |
| 05:25.38 | Hexarobi | errors on line 164 |
| 05:25.40 | Hexarobi | index is nil |
| 05:25.59 | Hexarobi | 163 on that |
| 05:26.03 | Hexarobi | 164 in my txt editor |
| 05:26.14 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 05:26.43 | Esamynn | why are you starting at 0? |
| 05:27.12 | Esamynn | oh, and use 'local' |
| 05:27.19 | Hexarobi | thats norganna's bug =) |
| 05:27.39 | Esamynn | so? :P |
| 05:27.40 | Hexarobi | local for what |
| 05:27.49 | Hexarobi | the starting at 0 i mean |
| 05:28.00 | Esamynn | local key = SoundShareData[line]; |
| 05:28.05 | Esamynn | not related to your problem |
| 05:28.11 | Hexarobi | werd |
| 05:28.15 | Hexarobi | might be |
| 05:28.22 | Esamynn | no, it wouldn't be |
| 05:28.35 | norganna | heheh |
| 05:28.37 | norganna | oops |
| 05:28.39 | Esamynn | I repeat, Lua is 1 based, why are you starting your loop at 0? |
| 05:28.44 | norganna | darn 0-based arrays |
| 05:28.49 | Hexarobi | nope ;) like 124, table is nil |
| 05:28.51 | Esamynn | ~cheeseslap norganna |
| 05:28.53 | purl | ACTION slaps norganna around with a piece of limburger |
| 05:28.53 | Hexarobi | line 164 |
| 05:28.56 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 05:29.08 | Esamynn | table is nil, or the index is nil? |
| 05:29.14 | Hexarobi | lau is 1 based!?!?!! |
| 05:29.18 | Esamynn | YES!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 05:29.23 | Hexarobi | how insane |
| 05:29.43 | Esamynn | how _logical_ just liek only false an nil evaluating to false |
| 05:29.50 | Hexarobi | table index is nil |
| 05:29.51 | Esamynn | s/liek/like/ |
| 05:31.10 | Esamynn | oh and Hexarobi: to loop through the integer pairs of a table, you can use ipairs |
| 05:31.16 | Hexarobi | that was it thx =) |
| 05:31.38 | Esamynn | it starts at 1 and terminates at the first nil integer key |
| 05:32.32 | Hexarobi | ok its not erroring, im good for the night ;) |
| 05:34.39 | Hexarobi | hehe ok crashed ;) |
| 05:34.50 | Hexarobi | niguht |
| 05:34.52 | Mikk | night =P |
| 05:35.01 | Esamynn | damnit, pastebin is lagging |
| 05:35.07 | Hexarobi | use pastey |
| 05:35.08 | Mikk | pastebin.com? always |
| 05:35.11 | Esamynn | was going to post an example of what I ment |
| 05:35.14 | Mikk | use pastecode.com or pastebin.ca |
| 05:35.17 | Hexarobi | http://pastey.net/ |
| 05:35.32 | Mikk | any pastebin. just not pastebin.com |
| 05:35.51 | Hexarobi | norg, have you thought about a logo involving boobs with tassels? |
| 05:36.01 | Mikk | O:O |
| 05:36.28 | Esamynn | Hexarobi: you could use ipairs in your code like this: http://pastey.net/16 |
| 05:36.32 | Esamynn | if I'm reading the code right |
| 05:37.54 | Esamynn | no need to maintain a size variable |
| 05:38.31 | Esamynn | ~lart Hexarobi |
| 05:42.27 | norganna | Hexarobi: er.... not particularly... :) |
| 05:44.05 | Esamynn | sigh, yet another "Is Gatherer legal?" thread...... |
| 05:44.15 | Cogwheel | that the one i responded to? |
| 05:44.24 | Esamynn | yes |
| 05:44.33 | Esamynn | what is with all the people asking that question recently? |
| 05:45.09 | Cogwheel | I think they need to give the "third party program enforcement" post a new name |
| 05:45.32 | Esamynn | Cogwheel: do you really think it would help? :P |
| 05:45.45 | Cogwheel | maybe reduce the questions by 2-3%.... lol |
| 05:45.56 | Esamynn | that much huh? |
| 05:46.04 | Cogwheel | give us even more of a reason to be snide with them... >:D |
| 05:46.16 | Cogwheel | that was supposed to look evil and happy not angry... |
| 05:46.30 | Cogwheel | (i'm using chatzilla fyi) |
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| 05:47.27 | Cogwheel | ah well.... I'm gonna get myself to sleep before I start saying things to those posters that i'll regret... |
| 05:51.04 | Esamynn | I'm going to turn in as well, night folks |
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| 06:01.19 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:09.56 | Iriel | What on earth did blizzard DO to the shredder operating manual pages |
| 06:10.55 | MentalPower | they killed them for the alliance methinks |
| 06:11.07 | MentalPower | or was that something else |
| 06:11.24 | Iriel | They broke for everyone as far sa I can tell |
| 06:13.25 | MentalPower | interesting |
| 06:14.02 | MentalPower | oh well, gnight folks |
| 06:14.18 | Flyoc | Iriel: what do you mean ? |
| 06:14.58 | Iriel | Well all of my banked pages before the last patch broke (Said: Charges 0) |
| 06:15.14 | Iriel | Then I've discovered that in order to bind a set of 4, you actually need 2 of one page, and you have to click on that one |
| 06:15.14 | Flyoc | weird |
| 06:15.21 | Flyoc | ?!! |
| 06:15.27 | Iriel | if you just have pages 1,2,3,4 for example, using any of them tells you you dont have that page |
| 06:15.43 | Iriel | find an extra page 4, say, and you CAN use page 4 to bind it, and it'll work (but both page 4's vanish) |
| 06:17.15 | Iriel | Ooh, how long have trouble tickets had an ETA listed? |
| 06:17.34 | Mikk | That sounds new |
| 06:17.37 | Mikk | Guessing 1.11? |
| 06:17.53 | MentalPower | since the addition of the Blizzard_GMSurvey AddOn |
| 06:17.57 | MentalPower | whenever that was |
| 06:18.07 | MentalPower | it was in the patch notes |
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| 06:37.42 | Iriel | welcome back non-sleeper |
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| 06:44.43 | Shadowed | hmm, i need to find some sort of way to abuse this JoinBattlefield trick |
| 06:46.39 | Shadowed | bah, they fixed it |
| 06:57.14 | zespri | they restored my account |
| 06:57.18 | zespri | yay |
| 06:57.24 | Iriel | Excellent |
| 06:57.39 | zespri | less then a day. I thought it would be much worse |
| 06:58.27 | Iriel | Did they apologize? or did it just get re-enabled quietly? |
| 06:59.06 | zespri | yes they did aplogoze |
| 07:00.09 | zespri | "We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused" |
| 07:00.49 | Iriel | Ah, boilerplate apology.. still, good it get it resolved soon |
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| 07:01.29 | Shadowed | zespri: what was it they banned you for? |
| 07:01.42 | Shadowed | or did they pretty much just say we made a mistake |
| 07:01.55 | Tain | zespri was banned for being a snitch! |
| 07:02.01 | Shadowed | lol |
| 07:02.35 | Tain | Actually it is pretty funny if it's the way he said it. Well, funny since it didn't happen to me. |
| 07:04.17 | Shadowed | hmmm |
| 07:04.33 | Shadowed | theres not a sane way to edit a dropdown menu's func thats called on click i assume? |
| 07:04.39 | zespri | Shadowed, it was just a mistake. Some one hit a wrong button |
| 07:04.48 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 07:05.35 | zespri | but I was really worried because I know that since thay mark a case as been dealt with they might not be unwilling to re-open it |
| 07:05.49 | zespri | fortunately they did |
| 07:06.01 | Shadowed | well, i'd imagine they always mark something as dealt with because they don't usually think they'll make a mistake. |
| 07:06.21 | zespri | exactly what I was thinking and was afraid of =) |
| 07:06.34 | Shadowed | or they got tired of listening to "I'm serious, i wasn't botting! It was my baby brother who can't talk and didn't understand how to respond" |
| 07:06.52 | zespri | imagine that you work in a banning department, you just can't check each and every "you banned me unfairly" case |
| 07:07.07 | Shadowed | that's true |
| 07:07.16 | Iriel | Sure you can |
| 07:07.22 | Iriel | You can at least look into each one ONCE |
| 07:07.45 | Shadowed | it would be kind of funny if they banned zespri instead of the guy he reported |
| 07:09.00 | zespri | well there is no other expalnation but this |
| 07:09.24 | Rallion | if my addon works like its supposed to right now, I will crap myself. |
| 07:09.40 | zespri | good night Iriel |
| 07:09.43 | Rallion | that's a no. |
| 07:10.04 | Shadowed | night Iriel |
| 07:10.31 | Mikk | Rallion: lucky you then =P |
| 07:11.31 | Rallion | hehe |
| 07:11.46 | Rallion | well I made a huge number of changes without ever testing any of it |
| 07:11.54 | Rallion | you know how it is, I'm sure |
| 07:12.23 | Shadowed | i'm usually lucky that i don't AFK myself out of a battleground or give myself deserter somehow when i change something |
| 07:12.37 | krka|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wouEdfdtKCA&search=bodstr6m%20groda |
| 07:12.46 | krka|work | oops sorry, only applies to swedes |
| 07:25.00 | Tain | borka borka |
| 07:31.58 | Rallion | Woot, I have written a rough-but-working all-in-one bag addon. Because there just weren't enough of them already. |
| 07:32.31 | Shadowed | Make sure you hook some stuff to make sure yours works |
| 07:32.35 | Shadowed | that way you get rid of the competition |
| 07:32.39 | Rallion | hehe |
| 07:33.27 | Elkano | mind inventing sth that would make moving things easier? like sth round... you could call it wheel... ;) |
| 07:35.49 | Rallion | hehe |
| 07:36.43 | Rallion | my addon is for the 1337, too. By default it only shows bags 0-2, to make it show one of the other two you need three LUA statements. |
| 07:38.01 | Rallion | the only thing it's missing that I can tell (besides in-game config options and saving) is making the icons turn grey when you pick up an item |
| 07:39.04 | Rallion | I don't quite see how the default interface pulls it off |
| 07:39.48 | Rallion | nevermind. found it. nice. |
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| 07:40.23 | Rallion | oh...i'd guess cooldowns aren't working either. |
| 07:40.25 | Rallion | heh. |
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| 07:59.56 | Flyoc | fuck me freddy |
| 07:59.59 | Flyoc | iriel was right |
| 08:00.24 | Mikk | You seem to imply that that's somehow unusual? =P |
| 08:01.56 | krka|work | iriel has like never been wrong ever |
| 08:02.56 | Rallion | if iriel was wrong, the universe would implode |
| 08:03.25 | Flyoc | (I'm new here) |
| 08:03.26 | Mikk | Aye, it even started shuddering when Slouken tricked him to put a "Zomg!" in his post |
| 08:04.20 | Mikk | Well. Lesson #1 on Iriel: If Iriel states something as fact, it _very_ likely is. |
| 08:04.29 | Mikk | The rest of us are more willing to speculate (and be wrong =)) |
| 08:05.02 | Mikk | Granted, Iriel has less to speculate on. He knows too much :-P |
| 08:05.37 | Flyoc | haahah |
| 08:05.44 | Flyoc | mail the pages and they have 232 charges ! |
| 08:09.31 | Rallion | I'm annoyed by the way bags initialize when you log in. I can't find a simple way to run some prep after they're all initialized. It's one of those things that doesn't matter, but it's very annoying. |
| 08:10.08 | Mikk | First OnUpdate ftw? |
| 08:10.28 | Rallion | I'll give that a try |
| 08:11.21 | zespri | Mikk, so if wowbench has no UI how is it useful? I should probably need to run and see, but it's easier to ask |
| 08:11.50 | Mikk | o.O |
| 08:11.56 | Mikk | Depends on what you're doing obviously. |
| 08:12.07 | Mikk | If you're trying to place frames beutifully next to each other it's useless. |
| 08:12.16 | Mikk | If you're trying to debug something that's misbehaving.... |
| 08:12.26 | zespri | I just read discription on the wowwiki and it didn't make much sense for me. It's not that description is bad rather I can't read it properly =) |
| 08:12.28 | Mikk | mouse SomeElement |
| 08:12.31 | Mikk | click MyFrame_MyButton |
| 08:12.40 | Rallion | hmm...actually, it doesn't matter at all. never mind. |
| 08:12.42 | Mikk | CallSomeFunction() |
| 08:13.08 | zespri | most addons are UI related aren't they? |
| 08:13.12 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.17 | Mikk | most addons also have lots of code that can bug =) |
| 08:13.53 | zespri | right |
| 08:13.59 | Mikk | It's not really meant to be used for all your addon development |
| 08:14.09 | Mikk | It's meant as a tool to bust out when the in-game debugging isn't enough |
| 08:14.17 | Mikk | And since there's like 0 in-game debugging... that happens quickly =) |
| 08:14.36 | Mikk | WoWBench does breakpoints, stack traces, looking at local variables in functions ... |
| 08:14.51 | Mikk | All with the built-in command line UI |
| 08:15.02 | Mikk | If you can get hold of a working Lua debugger, even better. |
| 08:15.16 | Mikk | That was my original plan actually, before I realized I couldn't find one that didn't suck |
| 08:15.32 | Mikk | Either way, you need an API emulator at the bottom to run it in such a debugger. Can't debug stuff running inside WoW |
| 08:16.16 | Mikk | Plus of course it allows you to code addons and do some testing when the servers are down for maintenance =) |
| 08:17.28 | Mikk | or, heck, slap it on a linux box at home and ssh into it from work ;) |
| 08:17.37 | Mikk | *cough* |
| 08:18.26 | zespri | I ssh to this irc from worj |
| 08:18.39 | zespri | although I don't have nix at home |
| 08:19.01 | zespri | lua debugger huh? |
| 08:19.11 | Mikk | aye, let me know if you find a sane one =) |
| 08:19.16 | zespri | so there is no good lua debugger out there? |
| 08:19.28 | Mikk | there probably is... somewhere... i've just never found one |
| 08:19.34 | Mikk | i've found ones that crash all the time |
| 08:19.47 | Mikk | i've found ones that even refuse to start at all, even with no lua file given |
| 08:19.55 | zespri | lol |
| 08:19.57 | Mikk | i've found ones that will only debug a single Lua file |
| 08:20.16 | Mikk | meh =) |
| 08:20.44 | Mikk | it's a bit silly given how easy it is to debug lua. all you need to do it is provided right in the standard libs. |
| 08:20.45 | zespri | so how wowbench then does the debuging? |
| 08:20.56 | Mikk | it has a built-in command line debugger |
| 08:21.04 | Mikk | if an error occurs, it breaks into it |
| 08:21.16 | Mikk | and you have a bunch of commands there to examine the stack, local variables, global variables, etc... |
| 08:21.22 | zespri | ah |
| 08:21.34 | zespri | so you mean like a debugger with the UI |
| 08:21.34 | Mikk | implemented in Lua ofc =) |
| 08:22.05 | Mikk | yeah, full-blown GUI debugger |
| 08:22.09 | Mikk | can't find one like that |
| 08:22.36 | krka|work | Mikk, would it be possible to make an ingame debugger? |
| 08:22.40 | Mikk | i wouldn't mind having one because it'd be easier to set breakpoints on the fly, do line-by-line stepping etc |
| 08:22.43 | zespri | aren't there some "generic" debuggers for any language? that you just need to provide with a symbol file? |
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| 08:22.50 | Mikk | krka|work: not as far as I know |
| 08:23.16 | Mikk | the problem is that you need to halt execution while debugging |
| 08:23.21 | Mikk | and if you do that, the UI freezes |
| 08:23.22 | Rallion | you can write sort-of debugging TidyBags_UpdateAllBags(); |
| 08:23.22 | Rallion | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.22 | Rallion | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.25 | Rallion | whoops. |
| 08:23.27 | Rallion | sorry. |
| 08:23.57 | Mikk | OOOOHHHH |
| 08:24.21 | Mikk | If I grab ALL of the standard Lua space |
| 08:24.25 | Mikk | And shove it in a coprocess |
| 08:24.31 | Mikk | ..... mmmmm =) |
| 08:24.42 | Mikk | A feck. WoW doesn't implement coprocesses. |
| 08:24.52 | Rallion | i was waiting for that. |
| 08:24.58 | krka|work | Mikk, i meant just storing all the important info, then you can view the breakpoints later |
| 08:25.23 | Mikk | krka|work: Yeah, that's possible to some extent. It still doesn't provide you with a way of looking a local variables though =( |
| 08:25.46 | Mikk | I've been toying with the idea of implementing a debugger via hooking every damn function in an addon |
| 08:25.53 | Mikk | It'd at least tell you arguments and return values |
| 08:25.56 | Rallion | depending on what you want as a breakpoint, you need to put it in the code anyway |
| 08:26.34 | Rallion | more often than not, I want a breakpoint in the middle of a function, which you just can't do from the outside |
| 08:26.55 | Mikk | Nope. Need the debug library for that. |
| 08:26.58 | Mikk | And that's not exposed to us. |
| 08:26.59 | krka|work | i hooked every eventhandler for every frame before, and timed them, barely affected runtime at all |
| 08:26.59 | Mikk | =( |
| 08:27.21 | Mikk | I can't say I care much about speed when debugging something anyway =P |
| 08:27.27 | krka|work | true |
| 08:28.54 | Mikk | How annoying... it's ALMOST doable with an in-game debugger |
| 08:29.00 | Mikk | The only thing I'm really missing is an event pump |
| 08:29.24 | Mikk | Or like... WaitForEvent() |
| 08:29.49 | Mikk | Could hook everything coming into the debugged app and queue it while it's being debugged |
| 08:32.33 | Mikk | Could do hellishly cool things with taht =/ |
| 08:33.54 | krka|work | really? hm, i never noticed anything exciting about the coroutines |
| 08:45.18 | Mikk | Well... if I were to move everything to run inside a coroutine |
| 08:45.31 | Mikk | And put a coroutine.yield in the error handler .... |
| 08:45.32 | Mikk | Whoopie! |
| 08:46.33 | Mikk | Granted, I'd be in for some VERY amusing bugs when the debugger is bugging but ... ohwell =) |
| 08:47.07 | krka|work | isn't it possible to implement coroutines ourselves? |
| 08:47.15 | Mikk | nope |
| 08:47.26 | Mikk | need to be able to pause execution in the middle of a call stack |
| 08:47.29 | Mikk | and resume |
| 08:47.55 | Mikk | granted, i could probably sandbox a single addon or something like that |
| 08:48.14 | Mikk | if an error occurs, save the callstack string and keep future events from causing more addon code from running |
| 08:48.38 | Mikk | could at least examine globals like they were when the error occured that way |
| 08:48.41 | Mikk | its own globals that is |
| 08:49.58 | Mikk | then again... it strikes me that you can't yield a coroutine inside an iterator (even a simple integer for loop) |
| 08:50.07 | Mikk | so it'd probably be useless in too many cases anyway =( |
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| 09:38.24 | krka|work | haha http://www.overheardatthebeach.com/archives/000187.html |
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| 13:23.19 | krka|work | Mikk, do you know of any way to kill a thread in lua? |
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| 13:25.02 | krka|work | i want to create a sandboxed lua environment. and limit memory usage and runtime |
| 13:25.20 | krka|work | best to do it from c maybe... hm |
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| 13:29.34 | krka|work | i am thinking writing an RTS where you write lua code to control your strategy, submit the code via a web interface and play against other taems... then my server determines the events and records to log, and publishes the log to view |
| 13:29.46 | krka|work | (played up as a movie, basically) |
| 13:34.35 | Rallion | sounds difficult. |
| 13:36.28 | MoonWolf | sounds fun |
| 13:36.56 | MoonWolf | like the ai robot simulations only bigger better and more tactics involved. |
| 13:37.08 | Mikk | krka|work: define "thread" |
| 13:37.12 | Mikk | Lua is single threaded |
| 13:37.35 | MoonWolf | not if we don't want it to be. |
| 13:37.38 | krka|work | true... there are some libs you can get for it |
| 13:38.00 | krka|work | but the best way is probably to control it from c |
| 13:38.00 | Mikk | Yeah |
| 13:38.00 | Mikk | Just have mulitple Lua contexts |
| 13:38.00 | krka|work | start lua in its own thread and kill it after a few seconds |
| 13:38.00 | Mikk | Execute them in order |
| 13:38.10 | krka|work | err, make that less than 10 ms or something |
| 13:38.35 | Mikk | Actually, I think you want to limit it a bit more than that. |
| 13:38.45 | krka|work | maybe |
| 13:38.49 | Mikk | You want to give each execution path an equal number of instructions i think |
| 13:38.59 | krka|work | that'd be hard to do |
| 13:39.04 | Mikk | Nah |
| 13:39.06 | Mikk | It's in the debug lib |
| 13:39.11 | krka|work | oh really? |
| 13:39.14 | krka|work | that'd be cool |
| 13:40.12 | Mikk | Hrms. Actually it's not an instruction count. It's supposedly a "line count" |
| 13:40.21 | Mikk | However the hell they implement that seeing as how it's actually compiled in the end o.O |
| 13:40.30 | krka|work | number of bytecode lines maybe? |
| 13:40.49 | Mikk | Check out debug.sethook |
| 13:41.24 | krka|work | hm, i'll probably give each user a total time to use instead |
| 13:41.32 | krka|work | that'd be easier... |
| 13:41.44 | Mikk | Doing it from the C end with multiple Lua contexts will be more controlled and better separation |
| 13:41.44 | krka|work | if you spend lots of time for one move, the rest of the moves will suffer |
| 13:41.47 | krka|work | yeah |
| 13:42.05 | krka|work | most important thing is to make it safe (for me, the server owner) and fair |
| 13:42.22 | krka|work | fair as in, can't cheat and as in, can't use too much memory / time |
| 13:42.44 | Mikk | Just introduce a timeline |
| 13:42.56 | Mikk | Keep track of how long each Lua block executes |
| 13:43.10 | Mikk | If player 1 takes 3 seconds to make his first decision |
| 13:43.18 | Mikk | He won't get to make another one until the global timeline hits 3 seconds |
| 13:43.26 | Mikk | If player 2 takes half a second... he gets to make lots of decisions |
| 13:43.34 | Mikk | Of course, you'd scale this down |
| 13:43.41 | krka|work | hmm... why is that better than having a total amount of time to use? |
| 13:44.02 | krka|work | ah never mind |
| 13:44.02 | Cairenn | zespri_work: good to hear! |
| 13:44.03 | Mikk | I thought it was realtimey |
| 13:44.03 | krka|work | the user can't know how much longer the game lasts |
| 13:44.36 | Mikk | (I'm assuming there's some sort of event driver function that you call at the bottom of things. Much like WoW) |
| 13:45.14 | krka|work | yeah |
| 13:45.22 | krka|work | only one event though :) |
| 13:45.31 | krka|work | "it's your turn" |
| 13:45.37 | Mikk | =) |
| 13:45.50 | krka|work | the user gets to know about the world, and call functions to queue up moves |
| 13:46.02 | krka|work | then everyones moves get performed after everyone has decided what to do |
| 13:46.28 | Mikk | oho.. hm... |
| 13:46.37 | Mikk | i see your problem with timing here |
| 13:46.37 | MoonWolf | krka, set it up, build the api, i'll play. |
| 13:46.46 | krka|work | cool :) |
| 13:46.59 | krka|work | the best thing is that you can keep your strategy code hidden, on the server |
| 13:47.02 | krka|work | the other players can't see it |
| 13:47.08 | Mikk | how about changing it around? |
| 13:47.10 | krka|work | only how the match plays |
| 13:47.15 | Mikk | for each "tick", you can move one step |
| 13:47.22 | Mikk | or unit of distance, whatever |
| 13:47.33 | Mikk | a very small Lua program gets to execute once per tick |
| 13:47.38 | Mikk | and make lots of decisions |
| 13:47.49 | Mikk | A bigger one maybe only gets to execute every 3 or 4 ticks |
| 13:48.03 | krka|work | yeah, that's one way of doing it too |
| 13:48.04 | Mikk | So it'd have to queue up moves to avoid standing still |
| 13:48.30 | Mikk | it introduces another element of difficulty |
| 13:48.35 | Mikk | small and agile or big and smart |
| 13:48.56 | Mikk | it also reminds me a lot of redcode |
| 13:49.02 | krka|work | or robocode |
| 13:49.13 | MoonWolf | robocode owned |
| 13:49.13 | krka|work | or the best one - Nada Hockey League |
| 13:49.48 | MoonWolf | But I would like to see something with a bit more elements |
| 13:49.54 | MoonWolf | no robots in a maze game |
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| 13:50.19 | krka|work | check this out: http://www.csc.kth.se/contest/2004-02/NHL/ |
| 13:50.28 | krka|work | you control your hockey teams with java code |
| 13:50.31 | krka|work | extremely cool |
| 13:50.38 | MoonWolf | in english ? |
| 13:50.46 | krka|work | only swedish unfortunately |
| 13:50.49 | MoonWolf | right |
| 13:50.55 | krka|work | the picture should be understandable |
| 13:51.00 | MoonWolf | picture* |
| 13:51.30 | krka|work | an RTS would be pretty cool, imo |
| 13:51.39 | MoonWolf | something rts like would be better. |
| 13:51.44 | krka|work | as long as you kept it somewhat simple |
| 13:51.57 | krka|work | too many units would make it difficult to follow when you watched it |
| 13:52.03 | MoonWolf | although I think we should avoid unit movements themselves. |
| 13:53.06 | MoonWolf | create a squad with different types of units and order them to attack certain targets or defend certain targets, if they are not in "range" they are removed from the game for that amount of ticks to reach the target. |
| 13:54.01 | krka|work | hm, that's an idea |
| 13:54.19 | krka|work | too much micro management of units is of course bad |
| 13:54.26 | krka|work | makes it harder to code a cool AI |
| 13:54.51 | Mikk | Teams with a communication channel that they can use instead of moving ftw |
| 13:54.52 | MoonWolf | indeed, you are not looking for implementations of efficient movement code |
| 13:54.58 | MoonWolf | but tactics. |
| 13:55.06 | krka|work | exactly |
| 13:55.26 | krka|work | one idea is to make your units _individual_ |
| 13:55.27 | Mikk | Each tick, you get to do one of three things: Move, Shoot, or Communicate |
| 13:55.38 | Mikk | Each of your team members can run different code if you like |
| 13:55.40 | Mikk | Woot woot =) |
| 13:55.50 | krka|work | can be same code, as long as it's run in seperate contexts |
| 13:55.53 | krka|work | i.e. no communication |
| 13:56.00 | Mikk | yeah |
| 13:56.11 | krka|work | except with either nearby units or over comm |
| 13:56.14 | krka|work | like you said |
| 13:56.31 | krka|work | and response times could be based on actual distance :) |
| 13:56.56 | MoonWolf | i propose Attack, Defend, Communicate, Scan, Invest |
| 13:57.37 | Mikk | Invest? |
| 13:57.53 | MoonWolf | Scan allows you too look in a direction, and Invest allows you to put your move into temporary or permanent armor/speed/damage stat increases. |
| 13:58.04 | krka|work | too advanced! |
| 13:58.09 | krka|work | i would keep it simple |
| 13:58.12 | MoonWolf | damnit |
| 13:58.27 | MoonWolf | but scan should be in it |
| 13:58.31 | Mikk | "Scan" could be used to look in all directoins but far away |
| 13:58.34 | MoonWolf | you can't walk around blind. |
| 13:58.48 | Mikk | With implicit knowledge of everything that's close enough at no cost |
| 13:59.04 | krka|work | i'll worry about the system first, the actual game rules can be done later |
| 13:59.08 | Mikk | Woot |
| 13:59.10 | krka|work | could make several games |
| 13:59.24 | Mikk | "Scan" would of course not tell you if the person at a distance is friendly or an enemy |
| 13:59.32 | Mikk | You'd have to keep in touch with your team mates to determine that =) |
| 13:59.36 | krka|work | i want something similar to warcraft 2, but that's probably too advanced |
| 13:59.50 | Mikk | oooooh |
| 13:59.57 | krka|work | i definitely want workers, goldmines, town hall, barracks |
| 14:00.02 | Mikk | that's way cool |
| 14:00.12 | Mikk | i was thinking more FPSy |
| 14:00.21 | krka|work | the main problem would be rendering it nicely :/ |
| 14:00.29 | Mikk | ok that's a whole different snakes' nest. forget everything i've said =) |
| 14:00.42 | krka|work | i said RTS multiple times though :P |
| 14:00.47 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 14:00.57 | krka|work | :( |
| 14:01.37 | krka|work | then it'd all be webalized, you can modify your team code inside the browser directly |
| 14:01.44 | Mikk | Start out with a number of moves possible per time period, allow fewer if you take too long to compute? |
| 14:01.49 | krka|work | check syntax and test play against semi-dummy teams |
| 14:01.53 | krka|work | then challenge other teams |
| 14:01.58 | krka|work | and have some sort of ranking |
| 14:02.14 | MoonWolf | luarts |
| 14:02.23 | krka|work | have the semi-dummy team code easily available for inspiration and getting started easily |
| 14:02.25 | krka|work | that would pwn |
| 14:02.56 | MoonWolf | you could set up different goals per game |
| 14:03.08 | krka|work | anyone willing to do the c-backend thingy? |
| 14:03.19 | krka|work | oooh... the actual game rules and stuff could also be made in lua |
| 14:03.24 | krka|work | the backend could be completely generic |
| 14:03.27 | krka|work | that would rock |
| 14:03.47 | MoonWolf | have it play slow though |
| 14:03.55 | krka|work | nah, lua isn't so slow |
| 14:03.55 | MoonWolf | like a few "ticks" an hour |
| 14:04.13 | krka|work | what? |
| 14:04.29 | MoonWolf | or at least have a game type like that. |
| 14:04.46 | krka|work | no point in having a slow game, really |
| 14:05.01 | krka|work | you can't change the code once the game has started |
| 14:05.16 | MoonWolf | right |
| 14:05.18 | MoonWolf | nevermind then. |
| 14:05.34 | krka|work | playback should be limited though so you can't fast forward to the end |
| 14:06.04 | krka|work | hm, the playback would probably be javascript based |
| 14:06.17 | krka|work | so many ideas, so little time :( |
| 14:07.16 | krka|work | i'd pitch this idea to the game company i work for, but since the user base would be programmers to some extent, it seems kinda pointless |
| 14:07.20 | MoonWolf | have a rock/paper/scissors unit system ? |
| 14:07.30 | krka|work | dont have anything like that planned at all yet |
| 14:08.10 | MoonWolf | not enough market to make it commercially viable. |
| 14:08.14 | krka|work | exactly |
| 14:08.36 | Rallion | and the people that want it could just make it themselves. |
| 14:08.40 | MoonWolf | althoug I am sure that if it was, the programmers would have a ball creating it. |
| 14:08.45 | krka|work | yeah |
| 14:08.54 | krka|work | i could probably get lots of wow moders to play it :) |
| 14:09.14 | MoonWolf | aceAI |
| 14:09.16 | Rallion | the most complex AI I've ever written was a checkers player |
| 14:09.32 | krka|work | ooh... i'd have to have lots of random stuff in it... to avoid repeatable games |
| 14:09.37 | Rallion | I did the robocode thing for a while, too, but that's way simpler |
| 14:09.40 | krka|work | random damage, like in warcraft 2 |
| 14:09.51 | MoonWolf | damage ranges |
| 14:09.54 | krka|work | i never thought robocode was that much fun :( |
| 14:09.58 | Rallion | dammit I want to play War3 |
| 14:09.59 | MoonWolf | and a good amout of math.random. |
| 14:10.21 | Rallion | krka, we did it in my high school programming class, that's what made it fun |
| 14:10.30 | Rallion | we had big battles displayed on the projector |
| 14:10.38 | Rallion | ahh, good times. |
| 14:10.59 | MoonWolf | they should have featured robocode in our java classes |
| 14:11.07 | MoonWolf | that would have gotten people interested. |
| 14:11.07 | krka|work | Rallion, we did that with Nada Hockey League |
| 14:11.14 | krka|work | that was awesome, much better than robocode |
| 14:11.27 | krka|work | mostly because you had more freedom to try silly things, imo |
| 14:11.42 | Rallion | we had a tournament, mine did very well in the 1v1 matches but terrible in the giant melee. |
| 14:11.51 | Rallion | I never tried it |
| 14:11.57 | krka|work | it's a local thing |
| 14:12.09 | krka|work | though you can download it and start trying |
| 14:12.41 | Rallion | eh, too busy reading bash.org, it's been at least six months and I have a lot to catch up on. |
| 14:14.01 | Mikk | hehe woo ;) |
| 14:14.42 | Beladona | I know the issue causing it, but I am still trying to figure out the best way to make it work, without breaking ie or firefox |
| 14:15.01 | Beladona | I still think it is stupid that Opera can't interpret the xsl the same way the others do |
| 14:15.10 | Mikk | fwiw, if you manage to break them, you're probably breaking Opera too :-P |
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| 14:23.35 | Beladona | its fixed |
| 14:23.38 | Beladona | =D |
| 14:23.47 | Beladona | might need to refresh, if you see nothing |
| 14:24.09 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/detail/01205521/live/1 (open this in opera) |
| 14:29.19 | Kaso | opera doesnt like that still |
| 14:29.32 | Kaso | though i only have 8.5 |
| 14:30.04 | zinor` | mm bela check out my awesome css creation, http://beta2.curse-gaming.com/ |
| 14:30.06 | zinor` | the media box ;) |
| 14:30.11 | zinor` | open it in ff tho |
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| 14:33.46 | Kaso | theres no way to fiddle with SetPortraitTexture() the portate from is there? |
| 14:36.06 | Beladona | Kaso, you probably want to load 9. I even put in the disclaimer that using anything older than the latest may have adverse affects |
| 14:36.31 | Kaso | "adverse affects" i like that :> |
| 14:37.14 | Beladona | hehe |
| 14:37.19 | Beladona | it was that or fuxxored |
| 14:38.30 | Kaso | man the pictures on the opera installer are humorous |
| 14:39.40 | Beladona | yeah I don't get those |
| 14:39.40 | Beladona | but whatever works for them I guess |
| 14:42.33 | Rallion | is it really working for the, though? really? |
| 14:43.33 | Rallion | Opera looks set to be the #1 OS in the embeddable space, but how often does that installer really get run? |
| 14:44.36 | Beladona | embeddable space maybe, but they are still behind in the desktop space |
| 14:46.04 | norganna | ps: For anyone who's sick of pastebin's slow speed and wants a nice replacement. I've been working on a new pastebin clone that you can use: http://wowi.pastey.net/ |
| 14:46.08 | Beladona | w3 reports a fairly steady 1.5ish% this year so far |
| 14:46.22 | Beladona | compared to 25% for firefox, and 57% for IE |
| 14:47.06 | Beladona | norganna: yes but can it order coffee for me automatically when my code starts getting "tired"? |
| 14:47.11 | Beladona | lol |
| 14:47.20 | MoonWolf | Nice Beladona |
| 14:47.31 | MoonWolf | do you think you could have put in any more languages ? |
| 14:48.00 | norganna | bel: do you often order coffee online? does your coffe pot have an ip address? i could probably code it in for you :) |
| 14:48.27 | MoonWolf | norganna* |
| 14:48.28 | MoonWolf | my bad |
| 14:48.32 | MoonWolf | but the question still stands |
| 14:48.42 | Rallion | ooh, IE's down to 57? nice. |
| 14:48.48 | norganna | that's as many languages as i could put it :) |
| 14:48.50 | MoonWolf | is it even technically possible to have more languages ? |
| 14:49.09 | MoonWolf | hey |
| 14:49.11 | norganna | i think the dropdown box explodes if you put more in |
| 14:49.14 | Cairenn | norganna: feel free to plug it here: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 |
| 14:49.16 | MoonWolf | there is no LOGO highliter. |
| 14:50.07 | Rallion | Ah, my favorite internet radio station...OC Remix Radio...all video game music, all the time. |
| 14:53.16 | krka|work | cool norganna |
| 14:53.20 | krka|work | did it all by yourself? |
| 14:53.43 | norganna | of course! (well not the highligting) |
| 14:54.00 | krka|work | i am gonna test the lua highlighting |
| 14:54.58 | norganna | heh - i used the vim highlighting rules to do the highlighting so it should be pretty good |
| 14:55.09 | norganna | i even added in all the wow keywords |
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| 14:55.17 | krka|work | http://wowi.pastey.net/24 |
| 14:55.20 | krka|work | hey, it worked |
| 14:55.31 | krka|work | it handles nested comments |
| 14:55.32 | krka|work | w00t |
| 14:55.54 | norganna | you try to trick it :) |
| 14:56.09 | Beladona | I bet I could code a site that shows coffee statistics historically. I will call it wdn.coffewhore.net |
| 14:56.16 | Hexarobi | my old pasteys are gone =( |
| 14:56.17 | Beladona | ok nevermind |
| 14:56.32 | norganna | hex - they are still there |
| 14:56.58 | Hexarobi | how do i get to em? |
| 14:57.09 | krka|work | http://wowi.pastey.net/25 |
| 14:57.14 | norganna | http://pastey.net/15 |
| 14:57.24 | krka|work | well done norganna |
| 14:57.32 | Hexarobi | ahhh |
| 14:57.35 | Hexarobi | wowi is special |
| 14:57.49 | norganna | wowi pasteys are different to the www.pastey.net or pastey.net ones |
| 14:57.57 | krka|work | needs better colors though |
| 14:58.04 | krka|work | comments and ifs are too similar |
| 14:58.07 | norganna | you can't get to pasteys across sites |
| 14:59.00 | norganna | make comments grey? |
| 14:59.13 | Hexarobi | ya |
| 14:59.17 | MoonWolf | grey comments work |
| 14:59.30 | krka|work | gray is taken already though |
| 14:59.43 | krka|work | i suggest dark yellow |
| 14:59.59 | krka|work | don't operators get colors? |
| 15:02.16 | krka|work | btw, do this: http://pastey.net/26 |
| 15:02.25 | krka|work | creates less function closures |
| 15:03.07 | krka|work | (to Hexarobi) |
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| 15:04.55 | Hexarobi | ok |
| 15:05.46 | Priam | I can read PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED:if for instance you have 3 people in your group and you invite a 4th, it will generate 4 events. If you call GetNumPartyMembers() it will return 0, 1, 2, and 3. ". In my addon , have an array with party member(s) tagged (the tank for example). On a PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED I want delete members who have leave the party. But on the first PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED call, GetNumPartyMembers() return 0 and my tagged members array |
| 15:05.59 | Priam | solution ? |
| 15:06.42 | krka|work | not following |
| 15:07.08 | Beladona | has anyone tried or looked into backporting the combat text in 1.12? does it uses new functions exclusive to 1.12+ ? |
| 15:07.43 | krka|work | Priam, i suppose you could avoid relying on GetNumPartyMembers? |
| 15:07.52 | krka|work | and just check if UnitExists("party4") et.c. |
| 15:10.31 | Priam | then If ,in the first call, GetNumPartyNumbers() return 0 doesn't mean UnitExists("party4") return nil ? |
| 15:10.59 | Priam | sorry for the bad english... :P |
| 15:11.19 | krka|work | probably me that's not following |
| 15:12.45 | Priam | ok |
| 15:15.54 | norganna | ok - how're those colors now? |
| 15:16.29 | Mery | hmm just for information (because im too lazy to test): if I define a saved variable in more than one addon, in which file does it get saved? first, last, random or all? |
| 15:16.34 | Priam | if I have 3 people in my group and I invite a 4th, it will generate 4 events. If I call GetNumPartyMembers() it will return 0, 1, 2, and 3 (PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED call X4). UnitExists("party4") return true, true, true, true ? |
| 15:17.05 | Priam | or false, false, false, true |
| 15:17.09 | krka|work | works for me norganna |
| 15:17.48 | krka|work | should always be true |
| 15:17.58 | krka|work | not sure why you get many events |
| 15:18.17 | krka|work | is it because members get moved around? |
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| 15:19.09 | Priam | I think because the 4th member is out of the instance |
| 15:19.12 | Priam | ? |
| 15:19.37 | Priam | you can read this her ehttp://www.wowwiki.com/Events_P_%28Party%2C_Petition%2C_Pet%2C_PlayerBank%2C_Player%29#PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED |
| 15:19.49 | krka|work | can you show the entire code you use, and what is wrong? |
| 15:21.02 | krka|work | so GetNumPartyMembers act differently than normal if it's inside that event? |
| 15:21.03 | krka|work | weird |
| 15:22.36 | Priam | for the moment nothing wrong. just a supposition regarding of this text |
| 15:22.53 | s|loup | [17:17:44] <krka|work> should always be true <-- why should it be always be true? party4 only exists when 4th party member is in group |
| 15:23.19 | krka|work | hmm |
| 15:23.28 | s|loup | so if he invites 1-4 members you should get false, false, false, true |
| 15:23.28 | krka|work | ah yes... could be offline and stuff |
| 15:23.50 | krka|work | what about UnitName("party4") then? |
| 15:24.16 | s|loup | hm does unitexists is false if unit is offline? |
| 15:25.05 | krka|work | no idea |
| 15:25.53 | s|loup | i think it will return true if unitid is corect but unitisoffline because for that you have the other option by using UnitIsConnected() |
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| 15:26.40 | s|loup | if unitid will be wrong when unit is offline this function will never work with offline status ;) |
| 15:27.28 | Priam | ok |
| 15:27.53 | Rallion | ooh...I have a problem. |
| 15:29.45 | Rallion | I'm you're using the BAG_UPDATE event to catch changes to the bags...if you switch two different size bags in your bag bar, there are two events fired...but after the first one, the bag that you picked up is in BOTH slots |
| 15:31.15 | Rallion | eh, actually, that's strange in a sense, but it's not actually my problem |
| 15:34.01 | Rallion | ohh. that's it. heh. |
| 15:37.20 | Beladona | anyone ever experienc horrible sound distortions in wow? a friend of mine started playing again after a few months of inactivity, and now for some reason when he logs in he gets harsh crackling, popping, etc... |
| 15:37.42 | Beladona | tried driver reinstall, and various other things, but no luck |
| 15:40.17 | Cide | I get that randomly |
| 15:40.25 | Cide | I usually just relog and it fixes itself |
| 15:44.37 | Hexarobi | ok so looked up in FriendsFrame how it locks the highlight on selected friend, it does it by SetSelectedFriend() but that functions not defined anywhere in the lua |
| 15:44.46 | Hexarobi | is that some internal function i cant look at? |
| 15:45.09 | Rallion | Don't you hate it when you realize that the reason a function isn't working is that you aren't calling it? |
| 15:45.15 | Hexarobi | =) |
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| 15:53.34 | paranoid_ | Rallion: yes :) |
| 15:53.55 | paranoid_ | Rallion: or you could like me, read over a bit of code three times looking for where you've written X instead of Y, only to not find it |
| 15:53.59 | paranoid_ | then have someone else find it |
| 15:54.03 | paranoid_ | I blame the heatwave :) |
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| 16:16.36 | Rallion | sweet, inventory addon now seems to be working just about as efficiently as I can make it |
| 16:17.11 | Rallion | unless I come up with a decent way to actually ignore any BAG_UPDATE event that's immediately followed by a second one |
| 16:17.23 | Rallion | but that only affects bag switching. |
| 16:17.55 | Hexarobi | why not look at the time difference? |
| 16:18.13 | Hexarobi | (GetTime() - LastTime) > .5) |
| 16:18.18 | Rallion | by which I mean swapping one currently-equipped bag with another currently-equipped bag that is not the same size as the other. |
| 16:18.21 | Hexarobi | LastTime = GetTime(); |
| 16:19.00 | Rallion | well, I could do something like that |
| 16:25.28 | Rallion | and I THINK the BAG_UPDATES would actually usually happen in the same frame, so I could just set NeedsUpdate=true or something, then in the OnUpdate have if(NeedsUpdate) then Update() or something |
| 16:25.42 | Rallion | but hell, I don't even HAVE an OnUpdate |
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| 16:31.24 | Rallion | someday, I want to fill out a job application, and if it asks for a list of special skills, put down "Nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills" |
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| 16:38.21 | cogwheel | Good morning |
| 16:39.07 | Hexarobi | yo |
| 16:45.01 | cogwheel | WoW uses lua 5.0 still, right? |
| 16:45.30 | Tem | until we beg slouken into upgrading |
| 16:45.58 | Tem | but really I doubt he'd have time for it until after the expantion |
| 16:46.35 | cogwheel | I was just making sure i wasn't giving wrong information http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=421488&p=1&tmp=1#post421488 |
| 16:46.47 | Mery | or maybe during exp beta because thats alot of time to actually test for errors? |
| 16:48.06 | cogwheel | It's tough to wait on beta feedback for an addon that isn't supposed to do anything for a number of days... |
| 16:50.39 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 16:50.45 | Hexarobi | whats yer addon do? |
| 16:51.21 | cogwheel | Reminds you to change the batteries in your keyboard or mouse when you join a group, raid, or after the number of days goes by. (all configurable) |
| 16:51.37 | Hexarobi | oo yes |
| 16:51.58 | Hexarobi | cant u find some old batteries? ;) |
| 16:52.03 | Hexarobi | or is it just a timer? |
| 16:52.28 | cogwheel | It's just to make sure your mouse doesn't die in the middle of an Ony fight, for instance :) |
| 16:52.53 | Hexarobi | real men do everything from the keyboard |
| 16:53.24 | cogwheel | Hi, I'm cogwheel, and I'm a clicker |
| 16:53.30 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 16:53.50 | Tain | Probably my biggest annoyance with the WoW UI is that you *have* to use the mouse. |
| 16:54.24 | Hexarobi | for what |
| 16:54.29 | Hexarobi | in combat at least |
| 16:54.33 | Tain | In EverQuest, for example, I only had to use the mouse to pick out a specific target in a group if I didn't want to tab through. |
| 16:54.35 | Mery | at least to target spells on the ground |
| 16:54.38 | Tain | In everything, not just combat. |
| 16:55.16 | Hexarobi | ya, aoe's based on targets location could be nice |
| 16:55.21 | cogwheel | Yeah... any class with targettable aoe must use the mouse... (plus engineers with bombs) ... both my main chars are like that. |
| 16:56.01 | dao_at_work | how would you do that without a mouse? |
| 16:56.11 | Beladona | I don't like how it makes me use the right mouse button for stuff. Like click to move, or attacking |
| 16:56.15 | cogwheel | you can't... that's the point :( |
| 16:56.23 | Beladona | I should be able to double left click and have it attack |
| 16:56.30 | dao_at_work | well no, i mean, if you could redesign it to not use a mouse |
| 16:56.33 | Beladona | and left click theground to move, or hell make it an option |
| 16:56.33 | Mery | would use your target as aoe middle for example |
| 16:56.36 | dao_at_work | how else would you do it? |
| 16:56.56 | dao_at_work | you can enable click-to-move in the UI |
| 16:57.02 | cogwheel | ah... Yeah, it's really the only way to have precise control over where it goes without making it trivial. |
| 16:57.08 | Beladona | right.... |
| 16:57.17 | Beladona | it still forces you to right click to move |
| 16:57.19 | Beladona | not left click |
| 16:57.22 | dao_at_work | oh i see |
| 16:57.39 | dao_at_work | i like the way that is. |
| 16:57.47 | dao_at_work | left click selects stuff, right click does stuff. |
| 16:57.48 | Beladona | I am used to other games where I am very fast with the clicks. Left click move, right click attack |
| 16:58.27 | Beladona | or in the case of Guild Wars, I ahve my 2 thumb buttons set to target nearest enemy, and attack |
| 16:58.34 | dao_at_work | if you have click-to-move enabled and right click on something you can interact with, you will automatically move within range |
| 16:58.47 | Beladona | I know |
| 16:58.57 | Beladona | I sitll prefer left click for that stuff |
| 16:58.58 | dao_at_work | so just swap your L and R mousebuttons? :) |
| 16:59.14 | Beladona | thats not a perfect solution |
| 16:59.22 | Beladona | as then all selection tasks are right clicks |
| 17:00.10 | dao_at_work | sounds like you wanna write a mod. |
| 17:00.19 | Beladona | its a minor annoyance, one that I live with. But it still irks me, expecially after playing another game and then playing wow |
| 17:00.26 | Beladona | you can't mod that |
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| 17:00.31 | Beladona | its world interaction |
| 17:00.42 | dao_at_work | you can't change button assignments in a mod? |
| 17:01.30 | Beladona | it would need to change dynamically depending on what I am doing, and again how would I make it do such a think for world interaction? |
| 17:02.00 | dao_at_work | depending on what you're doing swap the mousebuttons. |
| 17:02.14 | dao_at_work | i don't really see how that violates the world interaction rule. |
| 17:02.18 | Beladona | not to mention, switching my buttons temporarily so that I can click to move would require the system to be precognitive |
| 17:02.44 | dao_at_work | well other games seem to do it, don't they? that's the basis of your complaint. |
| 17:02.52 | Beladona | yes, but they aren't modding |
| 17:03.01 | Beladona | its part of the engine bahvior |
| 17:03.04 | dao_at_work | yes, but they don't require precognition either. |
| 17:03.15 | Beladona | .... |
| 17:03.31 | Beladona | thats because they don't switch the buttons |
| 17:03.44 | Beladona | its an issue of what the left and right mouse buttons do |
| 17:03.48 | dao_at_work | hey, i'm just trying to help out here. |
| 17:03.56 | Beladona | I don't think you can remap the left button to also perform click to move |
| 17:04.15 | Mery | you could go ask in suggestions for it |
| 17:04.39 | Beladona | they could easily add an option in the interface options to use left or right clicks |
| 17:04.53 | Mery | yep |
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| 17:05.42 | Mery | also i'd like an option to "right click = wand instead of attack" |
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| 17:05.42 | cogwheel | Can you capture clicks in the world frame? |
| 17:05.52 | Mery | i think not anymore |
| 17:06.08 | Beladona | newbie players have the same issue. Most people think you would left double click an npc to interact, based on how other games do it |
| 17:06.26 | Hexarobi | so just swap the mouse in the ui settings, and write a mod that redirects all UI clicks from left to rightclicks and right to left clicks |
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| 17:06.42 | Beladona | the problem isn't a matter of swapping |
| 17:06.43 | Rallion | What games have double-clicks? |
| 17:06.46 | dao_at_work | maybe just remap left-doubleclick to a right click, i sall they'd have to do. |
| 17:06.52 | dao_at_work | *is all |
| 17:07.08 | Beladona | if it was simply swapping, I could do it in my mouse config |
| 17:07.41 | Beladona | I want to continue using left click for what it does now. Normal selection. But also have double left click interact, and left click on the ground for click to move |
| 17:07.54 | Beladona | which would effectively leave right mouse button open for nothing |
| 17:08.00 | Beladona | but thats fine |
| 17:08.49 | Rallion | I don't know of anything else that works that way...except Windows |
| 17:09.01 | dao_at_work | what do mac players of wow do? |
| 17:09.07 | dao_at_work | well, the ones with 1-button mouses |
| 17:09.21 | Rallion | I think they apple-click |
| 17:09.24 | Kirov | aye |
| 17:09.31 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 17:09.34 | Rallion | i think that's the standard right-click equivalent |
| 17:09.41 | dao_at_work | hrmm. |
| 17:09.44 | Kirov | I know of mac users who have two button mice that still apple+click |
| 17:09.49 | Rallion | or option-click or whatever the button is called. |
| 17:09.56 | dao_at_work | I was hoping they did a double-click thing, like some kind of hidden setting. |
| 17:10.20 | Hexarobi | have yall seen the new apple mouse? |
| 17:10.26 | Rallion | as far as I know, most real-time games tend to avoid double-clicks |
| 17:10.31 | dao_at_work | the "two button" one? |
| 17:10.37 | Kirov | Mighty mouse? |
| 17:10.50 | Rallion | I have two mice. mouses. they both own. |
| 17:10.56 | Hexarobi | ya |
| 17:11.24 | Rallion | cordless logitech is my main mouse, but I have a wired Nyko Airflo in reserve |
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| 17:11.33 | Hexarobi | http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/ |
| 17:11.49 | dao_at_work | Not a fan. |
| 17:12.21 | Kirov | @ work I use a logitech trackball w/ Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer as a back up for more precise work, and a Wacom 9x6 for art |
| 17:12.44 | Rallion | those one-piece-cover apple mice don't do it for me |
| 17:12.45 | Kirov | @ home I use a logitech MX900 and MX510 |
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| 17:12.56 | Hexarobi | have you used one? |
| 17:13.05 | Hexarobi | using a logitech mx310 here |
| 17:13.06 | dao_at_work | I prefer the cheap MS Intellimouse, the one with only 2 buttons. |
| 17:13.17 | dao_at_work | I've never used a mightymouse. |
| 17:13.30 | Rallion | they don't offer enough tactile feedback for me |
| 17:13.33 | Kirov | I've touched one once a the apple store. |
| 17:13.35 | Rallion | I'm picky about that stuff |
| 17:13.48 | dao_at_work | yeah |
| 17:14.05 | Rallion | if a keyboard has the wrong level of resistance, my typing speed drops down by 50% or more |
| 17:14.24 | dao_at_work | yeah same way here. I can't use a standard mac keyboard for any length of time. |
| 17:14.39 | Rallion | laptop keyboards are the worst |
| 17:14.46 | Rallion | for more reasons than one |
| 17:14.55 | Tain | On a completely unrelated note I just watched the trailer for the game Portal again and I can't wait to play it. |
| 17:15.02 | Rallion | god damn, I know |
| 17:15.09 | dao_at_work | I'm ok on most laptop keyboards. I especially can't stand if there's a key to the right of the backspace key. |
| 17:15.30 | Beladona | Portal looks awesome |
| 17:15.37 | Beladona | I want wait to see it used in a full FPS game though |
| 17:15.41 | Kirov | I've heard two sides to the mightmouse thing, "Isn't it fantastic? It looks awesome, so smooth, and it's so innovative." and "It feels like crap, if you click the left mouse button, the right one clicks too sometimes, and vice versa. The track ball is too smal for anything useful and usually just gets jammed." |
| 17:15.43 | Beladona | not puzzle |
| 17:15.50 | Rallion | there's a mod for Prey that allows portal creation |
| 17:15.56 | Tain | Yeah Beladona it's going to be crazy. |
| 17:16.09 | Beladona | it brings gaming into 4d |
| 17:16.15 | Beladona | which rocks |
| 17:16.18 | Kirov | It's kinda' too bad they didn't do that kind of stuff for Prey |
| 17:16.25 | dao_at_work | lol not really 4d, more like 3.5d :) |
| 17:16.27 | Tain | Prey was a different type of game though. |
| 17:16.29 | Kirov | Do you guys remember the original screenshots of prey? |
| 17:16.31 | Rallion | Prey has always seemed like a tech-demo to me, like Doom 3 was...granted, I haven't played it |
| 17:16.40 | Kirov | Like, original original? |
| 17:16.46 | Tain | No, Prey is a fun game. Just short. |
| 17:17.04 | Tain | It's the game that the Doom Flashlight Simulator tech demo could have been. |
| 17:17.11 | Rallion | hehehe |
| 17:17.28 | Rallion | that game had so many halls...so many... |
| 17:18.39 | Kirov | Doom 3 is a game that just wouldn't end. |
| 17:19.16 | Kirov | The first 2 levels are awesome, and it goes downhill as soon as combat starts |
| 17:19.22 | Hexarobi | ok so im trying to fade in/fade out my addon window on mouseover/out, but if i put the onenter/onleave events on the main frame, it triggers onleave then you mouseover buttons within the frame |
| 17:19.26 | Kirov | There are some cool events, but for the most part ... meh |
| 17:20.01 | Tain | I never got past trying to play Doom 3 for the first time and having to switch the flashlight on and off. |
| 17:20.09 | Tain | Yeah I know mods came out to have it on with your gun. |
| 17:20.13 | Kirov | Tain - flashlight mod! |
| 17:20.20 | Tain | But it made it unplayable for me, turned me off. |
| 17:20.37 | Tain | I didn't want to play when that was their game design intention and it was a good idea to someone. |
| 17:20.41 | Kirov | Tain - I used a flashlight mod and started playing through it again, actually enjoyed myself. |
| 17:20.57 | Tain | Too late! They lost their chance to grip me. |
| 17:21.01 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 17:21.13 | Kirov | Tain - The flashlight was actually my main weapon for most of the game. |
| 17:21.35 | Kirov | I found that you could beat pretty much anything but bosses with it. |
| 17:21.36 | cogwheel | How can you access a frame's variables from outside the frame? I.e. I have a frame that stores a few flags using this.varName in it's event handlers... How would I access those in a /script command for debugging? |
| 17:21.36 | Kirov | So ... I did. |
| 17:21.36 | TS | kirov, did you release a new version yesterday? I had like 6 errors on load when you logged |
| 17:21.52 | dao_at_work | that.varName |
| 17:21.54 | Kirov | TS - yes |
| 17:22.00 | dao_at_work | ? |
| 17:22.08 | Tain | cogwheel you have to name the fame, then you can access them by frameName.varName |
| 17:22.37 | Tain | Assuming the frame isn't named now. If it is.. well then use it. |
| 17:22.48 | cogwheel | Hmm... i think i'll have to try it again... it didn't seem to work last time... |
| 17:23.12 | Kirov | TS - All of the bugs _should_ be fixed now. There's a remaining bug if multiple people are using the different versions of the addon and one of them broadcasts. |
| 17:23.53 | Kirov | TS - people using 11 who see a 10 or earlier broadcast will get an error. people using 10 or earlier who see an 11 broadcast won't see their bars update. |
| 17:24.04 | Kirov | it's a beta, so I'm not going to bother fixing that one. |
| 17:24.21 | TS | I'll mess with it in a bit |
| 17:24.23 | Kirov | Broadcasting via channel is a temporary fix anyways. |
| 17:24.30 | Kirov | until 1.12 |
| 17:27.49 | Hexarobi | wowwiki down? |
| 17:28.04 | Hexarobi | stupid ismouseover |
| 17:28.06 | Kirov | noop |
| 17:28.18 | Kirov | Hexarobi - it's a lua function, not api |
| 17:28.29 | Kirov | in UIParent I believe |
| 17:29.28 | Hexarobi | ok whats that mean ;) |
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| 17:29.43 | cogwheel | Ahhh... the joys of beta versions... (at least Firefox 2 has a "restore session" button...) |
| 17:29.45 | TS | anyone know offhand if ancestral fort or inspiration can be improved by talents? |
| 17:29.45 | Hexarobi | myFrame.IsMouseOver(myFrame) ? |
| 17:30.14 | Hexarobi | wowwiki.com isnt responding to me at all |
| 17:39.16 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_MouseIsOver |
| 17:40.16 | Kirov | Oh, and bela, I thought of a feature for the code view |
| 17:40.16 | Kirov | Hexarobi - http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/live/FrameXML/UIParent.lua |
| 17:40.16 | Kirov | search for MouseIsOver |
| 17:40.17 | Rallion | anybody know of an easy way to test item cooldowns that I can get the materials for with little effort? |
| 17:40.33 | Kirov | Rallion - mrph? |
| 17:40.49 | [Ammo] | use em? |
| 17:40.50 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 17:40.56 | [Ammo] | check thottbot? |
| 17:41.04 | Rallion | i guess I have a FEW 'use' trinkets I can test with. |
| 17:41.08 | Rallion | and a hearthstone. |
| 17:41.09 | Kirov | Beladona - wdn.wowi.com/code/file.lua#linenumber |
| 17:42.11 | Kirov | Don't minipets initiate a short cooldown? |
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| 17:42.53 | dao_at_work | go buy a parakeet at booty bay? |
| 17:44.32 | Rallion | good idea |
| 17:46.23 | Rallion | every time you pick up an inventory item, the default UI completely refreshes every bag you have open |
| 17:46.24 | End | mounts do a short cooldown |
| 17:47.03 | Rallion | do they? bah. figures that my test char is a paladin. |
| 17:47.11 | End | yeah a 3 second cooldown |
| 17:48.13 | End | hmm |
| 17:48.35 | End | it appears paladin mount doesn't have a cooldown at all (except global cooldown) |
| 17:49.12 | End | I'm not sure why normal mounts have a cooldown though |
| 17:51.18 | End | (not that it mattered if your paladin mount had a cooldown or not though if you wanted item) |
| 17:53.57 | Rallion | yeah. |
| 17:54.29 | End | what you -could- do is copy a premade onto the PTR |
| 17:54.35 | Rallion | meh |
| 17:54.43 | Rallion | i just tested it, it works. |
| 17:54.53 | Rallion | i fired off a few fireworks that I have for no apparent reason |
| 17:55.07 | End | lol |
| 17:55.09 | End | cool |
| 17:57.30 | Rallion | some events should have a few more args...BAG_UPDATE tells you what bag changed, but BAG_UPDATE_COOLDOWN doesn't |
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| 17:57.50 | Rallion | well, I mean they should have a single arg, and don't. |
| 17:59.37 | Rallion | but...that's it. I have a 100% functional one-bag addon with buttons that exactly match the default bag buttons, except with border coloring for rarity...now to make it into what I want. |
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| 18:05.27 | Hexarobi | ok i did a bunch of fiddling with mouseisover to make sure it only used the onenter/leave events if it wasnt entereing/leaving an inner part of the frame, but now the on leave/enter events dont fire if im moving the mouse too quickly |
| 18:05.36 | Hexarobi | so if i move the mouse quickly over the frame, it doesnt fade in |
| 18:06.15 | Hexarobi | there must be a better way |
| 18:06.37 | Beladona | Kirov: was planning to add that when I was doing the function library section. But scrapped that idea. I will add the line number thing though, that way you guys can link to specific line numbers. |
| 18:07.00 | Beladona | Kirov: would you like it to highlight the line as well? |
| 18:07.12 | Beladona | (yes it can do that) |
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| 18:53.37 | Hexarobi | anyone know a mod that fades in on mouseover and out on mouseout |
| 19:11.30 | Mikk | chatframe.lua? |
| 19:11.58 | Hexarobi | doesnt contain the word "fade" |
| 19:12.13 | Mikk | well.. it does fade in and out |
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| 19:12.30 | Mikk | why does it have to contain "fade"? o.O |
| 19:13.28 | Kirov | Beladona - less concerned with that, but it would be nice. |
| 19:13.34 | Mikk | As far as I know, there's only two built-in faders: 1. Message lines in MessageFrames 2. GameTooltip |
| 19:13.47 | Mikk | Everything else you have to do in OnUpdate by juggling SetAlpha |
| 19:14.02 | Kirov | Hexarobi - use MouseIsOver in an onupdate |
| 19:14.34 | Kirov | do it every 1/10th of a second or 1/2 a second should suffice. |
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| 19:18.05 | Hexarobi | using UIFrameFadeIn |
| 19:18.07 | Hexarobi | atm |
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| 19:18.23 | JoshBorke | hello |
| 19:18.27 | Hexarobi | as explained in the blizz tutorial |
| 19:18.29 | kaso| | do you still release when you ReloadUI() |
| 19:18.33 | Rallion | A bunch of quest addons fade. |
| 19:18.45 | Rallion | I think QuestIon has the capability |
| 19:18.46 | Hexarobi | it seems like its more of a problem in how its defined in the xml |
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| 19:31.17 | Hexarobi | hmm ok, i moved the on enter/leave handlers from the main frame to the scrolling frame |
| 19:31.24 | Hexarobi | and that made the fade in and out work right |
| 19:31.39 | Hexarobi | but now its now clicks arent being passed unto the buttons below |
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| 19:33.01 | Kirov | kaso| - yes |
| 19:33.15 | kaso| | suckyness |
| 19:33.26 | Kirov | Hexarobi - this is why you use OnUpdate and MouseIsOver |
| 19:36.15 | Hexarobi | hehe ok |
| 19:36.25 | krka | yay! managed to compile a c program that ran a lua script |
| 19:36.31 | krka | halfway done |
| 19:36.44 | Kirov | Hexarobi - Check out FloatingChatFrame.lua, they use MouseIsOver in it's OnUpdate script |
| 19:38.01 | clad | eww lance bass is gay |
| 19:38.01 | Hexarobi | k |
| 19:38.04 | clad | we dont want him |
| 19:38.08 | clad | krka: thats always fun =) |
| 19:38.49 | krka | you done that too? |
| 19:39.13 | clad | krka: yep, done binary modules, etc... its good fun =) |
| 19:39.32 | krka | i'll make sure you ask you for help when i get stuck then |
| 19:40.05 | Rallion | Lance Bass? You mean...SEPHIROTH? |
| 19:40.30 | krka | clad, did you do it with c or c++? |
| 19:40.38 | krka | does lua even have a c++ interface? |
| 19:40.52 | clad | its a nasty one, you can do it.. but its not so nice =) |
| 19:41.03 | krka | i'll go with c then |
| 19:41.15 | krka | the program itself should be fairly small, most of the logic will be in lua |
| 19:41.43 | krka | did you hear about my idea btw? |
| 19:42.06 | JoshBorke | i didn't! tell me! tell me! |
| 19:42.16 | krka | making a game were you compete by writing the AI in lua and have your team kick other teams ass |
| 19:42.49 | JoshBorke | well that's not nearly as exciting as i was hoping. mainly because i know i'd always lose and those games make me sad |
| 19:44.03 | krka | sorry to disappoint :( |
| 19:44.11 | Kirov | krka - system -del getOpponentName(); |
| 19:44.14 | JoshBorke | but i'm sure it'll be great :-D |
| 19:44.14 | Kirov | done! |
| 19:44.18 | krka | what games of that kind have you played? |
| 19:44.22 | krka | robocode was the suxor |
| 19:44.40 | JoshBorke | krka: i just mean games i always lose make me sad. those games are everywhere :-D |
| 19:44.45 | krka | Kirov that's where C comes to play, i'll make seperate environments for the players |
| 19:44.51 | krka | heh |
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| 19:47.27 | Hexarobi | how do i control how often onupdate is called? |
| 19:48.14 | krka | you dont |
| 19:48.15 | cogwheel | You don't... you control how often you do anything inside onUpdate |
| 19:48.40 | JoshBorke | Hexarobi: you don't. but you can use Metrognome to take care of the 'throttling' |
| 19:49.10 | Hexarobi | so onupdate is called alot, and i just check if enough time has passed since last time i did my thing? |
| 19:49.26 | cogwheel | wowwiki.com has a HOWTO on it too |
| 19:49.33 | cogwheel | yep |
| 19:49.55 | cogwheel | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_OnUpdate_Correctly |
| 19:50.16 | Hexarobi | thx |
| 19:51.07 | Rallion | hmm...I need to come up with a GUI, and it's difficult. |
| 19:51.19 | Rallion | I mean just deciding how it'll work, not actually creating it |
| 19:52.02 | JoshBorke | only buttons can have OnMouseDown/UP events? |
| 19:54.07 | Kirov | All frames have them |
| 19:54.21 | Kirov | Buttons are the only ones that can have OnClick |
| 19:54.57 | JoshBorke | ah, ok :-) thanks :-) |
| 19:59.11 | JoshBorke | now an implementation question: i am writing a mod that displays the health of a target unit over time. i'd like to be able to have a window that shows 30 (60?) seconds of health that you can scroll to the beginning of the fight. I can put stuff in a window easy like. but how should handle the old health values? I tried just storing the health values as i updated them but it ate memory worse than 'while (true) x = {} end' |
| 20:00.58 | Rallion | Sigh, I know what I want my addon to be able to do, but I doubt my ability to come up with any kind of interface for it that doesn't suck horribly |
| 20:01.48 | krka | Rallion, make it text based first |
| 20:01.59 | krka | and let someone else do the gui when it's popular enough :) |
| 20:02.16 | cogwheel | joshborke: table.insert() |
| 20:02.27 | Beladona | what is this for? tracking dmg over time and statistics? |
| 20:02.44 | JoshBorke | Beladona: DPS/HPS received/Health over time |
| 20:03.00 | Beladona | and how do you plan to show it? |
| 20:03.04 | Beladona | as a graph? |
| 20:03.08 | JoshBorke | beladona: yes |
| 20:03.27 | JoshBorke | Beladona: height representing health, black line showing DPS, blue line showing HPS |
| 20:03.28 | Rallion | krka, I'm not even entirely sure I could come up with a text interface that I would be able to put up with. |
| 20:03.37 | JoshBorke | with an option to track multiple people |
| 20:03.44 | cogwheel | rallion: what's it gonna do? |
| 20:03.50 | Beladona | and are you polling at a set interval to get the data? |
| 20:04.06 | Rallion | It's going to be a very insane EngInventory-like addon |
| 20:04.06 | JoshBorke | Beladona: yes. |
| 20:04.26 | Hexarobi | anybody have textpad syntax highlighting definitions for wow's lua? i tried the lua 5.0 syntax but everything comes out green |
| 20:05.03 | JoshBorke | Beladona: the best thing i can think of as far as memory is to poll and only record updates. but i can't think of a way to store the data easily |
| 20:05.06 | cogwheel | Hrm.... |
| 20:05.16 | Beladona | might need a couple tables |
| 20:05.26 | Beladona | one to index the other |
| 20:05.49 | cogwheel | Hexarobi, check out http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4989-SciTE-WOWInterface.html |
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| 20:06.10 | cogwheel | And make sure you are closing any block comments... |
| 20:06.19 | cogwheel | --[[ ... ]] |
| 20:06.32 | Beladona | like statindex[1] = "2006-07-26"; stats[1] = { -- statistical data } |
| 20:06.48 | krka | anyone know if i can control memory limit easily from c? |
| 20:07.03 | Beladona | not sure how you plan to separate each set of data, so I used the date as an example |
| 20:07.04 | cogwheel | (there's no such thing as "WoW's lua"...) |
| 20:07.39 | krka | sure there is cogwheel |
| 20:07.51 | Hexarobi | lua 4? |
| 20:07.52 | krka | hm, not syntax wise |
| 20:07.53 | krka | sorry |
| 20:07.58 | cogwheel | Nothing is different about the language |
| 20:08.02 | cogwheel | Only the API |
| 20:08.05 | krka | (but implementationwise, wow lua differs) |
| 20:08.08 | Hexarobi | from 4.0 to 5.0? |
| 20:08.24 | krka | nope, not just the api, language stuff has been tweakde |
| 20:08.25 | Hexarobi | the syntax is lua5.0 so i assumed that was the problem |
| 20:08.36 | Hexarobi | hmm maybe the syntax file is bad then |
| 20:10.20 | Rallion | ideally, I would have item categories in a tree structure...like there's Trade Items, and under that you might have Cloth, Mined Items, etc., with items that don't fit into CLoth or Mined Items just going directly into Trade Items. And Cloth and Mined Items would be able to be disabled, if you don't consider that particular item type special. So I'd need an interface for that. Also, an interface for taking those categories that A |
| 20:10.25 | Rallion | that was too long, wasn't it? |
| 20:10.37 | Rallion | wow, didn't realize how much I typed there... |
| 20:11.39 | Hexarobi | ahhh i found my problem |
| 20:11.52 | Hexarobi | the comment close was set as --]] not ]] |
| 20:12.08 | JoshBorke | Beladona: you mean something like this? http://wow.pastecode.com/2013 |
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| 20:12.18 | cogwheel | Heh... i had the comment thing figured out, anyway ;) |
| 20:12.48 | Hexarobi | my comment was closed properly in my file, it was mislabeled in the syntax definition file |
| 20:13.18 | cogwheel | i meant that it was regarding comments... not necessarily that you did anything wrong... |
| 20:13.25 | Hexarobi | werd |
| 20:13.34 | cogwheel | Just a funny coincidence |
| 20:14.47 | krka | gah, where do i set the memory limit |
| 20:19.14 | cogwheel | what memory limit? for UIs? You have to do that at the addons screen before logging in |
| 20:21.38 | krka | not talking about wow now |
| 20:27.16 | Shadowed | Quick question. How laggy is using Discord stuff again? |
| 20:27.43 | Rallion | generally worse than the alternatives |
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| 20:27.51 | Rallion | though I use all of it. |
| 20:28.12 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 20:28.14 | Kirkburn | Aah, I was so close to putting my fist through a wall to get my internet back :/ |
| 20:28.20 | Shadowed | using Nurfed at the moment, but it seems a bit unflexibly |
| 20:28.34 | Kirkburn | (I'm back from Italy! :) |
| 20:28.35 | Shadowed | unflexibly? |
| 20:28.36 | Shadowed | ... |
| 20:28.40 | Shadowed | unflexible |
| 20:28.42 | Kirkburn | New word of the day :P |
| 20:28.43 | Rallion | yeah. |
| 20:28.57 | Rallion | well, inflexibility is definitely not a problem with Discord |
| 20:29.00 | Shadowed | welcome back kirk |
| 20:29.13 | Kirkburn | My router was unflexibly being an ass, thus annoying me :P |
| 20:29.25 | Kirkburn | Thanks Shadowed :) |
| 20:29.35 | Rallion | wait |
| 20:29.39 | Rallion | isn't it inflexible? |
| 20:29.53 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:29.55 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 20:29.58 | Shadowed | i like unflexibly better |
| 20:30.00 | Rallion | and what the hell determines whether it's 'un' or 'in' anyway? |
| 20:30.10 | Shadowed | dice roll |
| 20:30.32 | Cide | blizzard's weighed RNG |
| 20:30.37 | Rallion | heh |
| 20:30.58 | Cide | s/weighed/weighted/ |
| 20:30.59 | Shadowed | So "un" will be used for a few months while seeing "in" about a year later after discovering it? |
| 20:31.25 | Kirkburn | you wait a year and 3 'in's come along at once |
| 20:31.32 | Shadowed | haha |
| 20:31.54 | Shadowed | sad but true |
| 20:32.28 | Rallion | hmm...the important thing is that I come up with a good interface for assigning item categories to display boxes...I don't like Eng's way of doing it |
| 20:32.55 | Tain | I'm counterflexible. |
| 20:33.23 | Rallion | I was thinking about a screen with a box for each display box, and the names of the categories within them so you can see the whole setup at once, but there are issues with that |
| 20:33.52 | Rallion | hmm...maybe not big issues |
| 20:34.07 | Kirkburn | Tain: Rigor Mortis, but in life :P |
| 20:36.05 | Kirkburn | So, AMD and ATI, eh? |
| 20:36.15 | Tain | Yep. |
| 20:36.24 | Tain | And Apple's pulling ATI out of their systems by next year. |
| 20:36.34 | Rallion | Okay, here's an actual question...how difficult would it be to create an options GUI where frames, or buttons, or whatever, could be dragged from one box and into another box? |
| 20:37.05 | Kirkburn | It's going to change the face of gaming, most likely |
| 20:37.38 | Kirkburn | Wonder if we'll see an Intel-nVidia alliance any time soon |
| 20:37.58 | Kirkburn | Rallion - annoying question - why? |
| 20:38.51 | Rallion | because it would be the best interface for me, I'm going to have about 16 short lists, and I need items to be able to be moved between them |
| 20:39.05 | Rallion | there are other ways that I can think of, but all of them are slower |
| 20:39.07 | Kirkburn | Intruiging |
| 20:39.17 | Hexarobi | i must have made a typo or something in my addon somewhere and for the life of me i cant figure out where, i deleted the new section i added and it didnt fix it |
| 20:39.23 | Hexarobi | www.hexarobi.com/error.jpg |
| 20:39.28 | Hexarobi | anybody got an idea? |
| 20:39.32 | Shadowed | The page cannot be found |
| 20:39.49 | Hexarobi | refresh |
| 20:40.12 | Shadowed | You're probably passing a bad chat frame somewhere |
| 20:40.36 | Shadowed | err ChatFrame frame |
| 20:40.52 | Rallion | there's select the item to be moved and press a button for the list you want to move it to, but that's a lot of buttons; there's select the item, then select the target list from a dropdown, but that's a pain |
| 20:41.13 | Rallion | well, actually, I would think that making them draggable would be pretty easy |
| 20:41.34 | Rallion | but "I would think' a lot of things are easy. |
| 20:41.37 | Kirkburn | (oooh, I can't wait for Spore - I bet one of the features will be the ability to order models of your creations - they've been sending the journalists models of the creatures they made) |
| 20:41.50 | Rallion | yeah, I read about that |
| 20:41.56 | Rallion | so excited. |
| 20:41.57 | Shadowed | hmmm |
| 20:42.04 | Shadowed | somehow i don't think the minimap filling the entire screen is suppose to happen |
| 20:42.25 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 20:42.36 | End | o_O |
| 20:42.36 | Shadowed | damn PhotekUI |
| 20:42.46 | End | is it stretched? |
| 20:43.17 | Shadowed | Yeah, stretched covering the entire window. |
| 20:43.20 | Shadowed | s/window/screen/ |
| 20:44.19 | Shadowed | I'm not even sure how i managed to do that o.O |
| 20:44.48 | JoshBorke | Rallion: it shouldn't be too hard. when you stop dragging check the mouse positions to see if the mouse is in some box and then place your current frame into that box |
| 20:47.29 | Hexarobi | what do you mean im passing a bad ChatFrame frame somewhere, passing it to what? |
| 20:48.08 | Kirkburn | Wow, the mars rover Spirit just passed 900 sols (martian day) on mars ... it was rated for 90 |
| 20:49.13 | End | is the other rover still operational? |
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| 20:49.34 | Hexarobi | didnt the other one break a wheel or something? but is still functioning at low speeds |
| 20:50.02 | End | I seem to remember hearing about that, but I have no idea |
| 20:50.10 | Kirkburn | Opportunity is still going |
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| 20:50.52 | End | actually, spirit is the one that sounds like it has a broken wheel |
| 20:51.17 | End | " More than two years after landing on Mars, Spirit can only drive on five wheels." |
| 20:51.30 | Rallion | woot, got my interface figured out. |
| 20:52.28 | Hexarobi | now figure mine out ;) |
| 20:53.25 | Rallion | hmm, missing a piece |
| 20:53.50 | Rallion | well, of the underlying table structure, actually, not of the interface |
| 20:55.09 | Hexarobi | argh |
| 20:55.15 | Hexarobi | where is this damn error coming from! |
| 20:55.27 | Kirkburn | Shadowed, good point |
| 20:56.03 | Shadowed | i don't think the game wants me customizing a UI or something |
| 20:56.09 | Kirkburn | I'm sure it will appear when CG is next updated :P |
| 20:56.26 | Shadowed | bah :p |
| 21:01.17 | Kirkburn | Jebus, Panza is wide-ranging now |
| 21:01.28 | Kirkburn | It covers pretty much every class now |
| 21:01.42 | Rallion | Theway table.ipairs works...if you have a table with both integer and string keys, will it just ignore the string keys? |
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| 21:11.30 | Kirkburn | How are the test realms going? |
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| 21:12.16 | Shadowed | 50 second queues, i'm not complaining |
| 21:12.52 | Rallion | wow |
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| 21:30.03 | Kirkburn | I'm going to play my awesomely beautiful game De Blob :P |
| 21:30.23 | Kirov | De Blob = ruxor |
| 21:30.52 | Kirkburn | You've played it?? |
| 21:30.59 | Kirov | yeah |
| 21:31.03 | Kirov | Beat it |
| 21:31.15 | Kirkburn | That's possible? Can you save? |
| 21:31.34 | Kirov | Well, beat the first level. |
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| 21:32.02 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:32.28 | Kirkburn | "A exception has been thrown!" |
| 21:32.33 | Kirkburn | useful |
| 21:33.11 | krka | score! i have built a memory limit into lua |
| 21:33.18 | krka | step 1 of my sandbox done |
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| 21:33.51 | krka | damn, that scared off cair |
| 21:35.42 | Hexarobi | ok everything finally working ok =) |
| 21:35.47 | Hexarobi | new release |
| 21:35.49 | Hexarobi | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4560-1-soundshare.html |
| 21:35.49 | Hexarobi | =) |
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| 21:48.33 | WhiteBoy_ | please forgive the simple newb question: What's the difference in SetRaidTarget and SetRaidTargetIcon? |
| 21:49.00 | WhiteBoy_ | they both appear to be used in the same way |
| 21:49.17 | cogwheel | There is no SetRaidTargetIcon according to wowwiki.com... |
| 21:49.46 | cogwheel | Could be just a typo if you're reading that on a post somewhere |
| 21:50.17 | WhiteBoy_ | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetRaidTargetIcon |
| 21:50.30 | WhiteBoy_ | that's where I ran across it |
| 21:50.39 | WhiteBoy_ | error on the wiki, maybe? |
| 21:51.16 | cogwheel | It was probably left there on accident... if you go to http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API it's not listed. |
| 21:51.49 | WhiteBoy_ | ok, maybe need to redirect the page or delete it? |
| 21:52.04 | WhiteBoy_ | I'll try to test it when I get home and see if it actually works or not |
| 21:53.18 | WhiteBoy_ | tx cogwheel |
| 21:53.37 | cogwheel | no prob |
| 21:54.23 | cogwheel | Does IsCurrentAction() not work for Hunter's autoshot? |
| 21:55.20 | Kirov | doesn't work for any auto-repeating action |
| 21:55.29 | Kirov | afaik |
| 21:55.53 | cogwheel | oic... Is there any way to check if an autorepeating action is in use? |
| 21:56.56 | Kirov | yeah, just don't remember how |
| 21:57.04 | cogwheel | found it... IsAutoRepeatAction |
| 21:57.22 | cogwheel | It doesn't have "ing" in it so i got confused |
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| 22:05.39 | Hexarobi | yay someone downloaded my new version! |
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| 22:08.25 | Hexarobi | hehe |
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| 22:09.58 | cogwheel | 1 person on curse added it to favorites :D |
| 22:10.41 | Hexarobi | nice =-) |
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| 22:23.24 | Mikma | Thrae|Away: hey hoe |
| 22:28.14 | cogwheel | My wife's char's name is Mikina.... |
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| 22:28.49 | Kirov | eh |
| 22:29.45 | Bleeter | good morn all, newbie mod/dev etc. author venturing into idle state for a while. For what it's worth, I'm playing with G15 stuff. |
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| 22:34.18 | Cairenn | hi Bleeter |
| 22:35.47 | Cairenn | ah ha, you are here now, good |
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| 22:36.32 | Cairenn | has the following error with FuBar (on Test server) been reported yet? (if not, it has now): Interface\AddOns\Blizzard_TrainerUI\Blizzard_TrainerUI.lua:55: RegisterForSave() is only available to Blizzard scripts |
| 22:37.16 | ckknight | seems odd |
| 22:37.16 | Cairenn | the message *only* shows up if I have FuBar enabled |
| 22:37.24 | ckknight | what about no plugins? |
| 22:37.35 | Cairenn | with no plugins, JUST FuBar enabled |
| 22:37.37 | Cairenn | I checked |
| 22:38.08 | Cairenn | well, and Ace and AceGUI, obviously |
| 22:38.24 | Cairenn | but turn off FuBar and just have those two = no error |
| 22:38.46 | Cairenn | only happens once, the first time you visit a trainer |
| 22:38.47 | ckknight | Cairenn, why Ace? |
| 22:38.58 | ckknight | oh, you still using FuBar 1.2? |
| 22:39.02 | Cairenn | after you click okay the first time, it never shows again |
| 22:39.09 | Cairenn | correct, as that's the most recent on WoWI :p |
| 22:39.13 | ckknight | okay |
| 22:39.18 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 22:39.28 | ckknight | and FuBar doesn't use AceGUI |
| 22:40.49 | Cairenn | regardless, it's FuBar that's the problem, since I don't get the error if it isn't enabled |
| 22:41.11 | Cairenn | and "## Version: 1.2 $Revision: 1925 $" |
| 22:41.19 | Cairenn | for info |
| 22:41.47 | Cairenn | anyway, whatever, I figured you'd want to know, my apologies for wasting your time if you don't care :p |
| 22:42.13 | ckknight | yea, true enough, I don't care about FuBar 1.2's errors |
| 22:42.18 | ckknight | I'm working on FuBar 2.0 now |
| 22:42.32 | Cairenn | well, get a more recent version on WoWI so it can be tested |
| 22:43.13 | ckknight | no, because then people bitch saying it's broken or what have you |
| 22:43.15 | ckknight | it's on SVN now |
| 22:43.39 | ckknight | it's getting adequate testing through the ace community for now |
| 22:44.24 | Cairenn | fine |
| 22:44.38 | Cairenn | as I said, I was just telling you about the error showing up |
| 22:45.59 | ckknight | alright |
| 22:46.04 | ckknight | thanks for pointing it out |
| 22:46.17 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 22:51.35 | cogwheel | I never really did any XML stuff until Batteryminder, and I was curious about something: is 39kb a reasonable size for a frame as simple as this? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full3408.jpg (note, 3 checkboxes, 1 edit field, and one fontstring are hidden here) |
| 22:52.22 | cogwheel | (I'm asking 'cause I did it with UI designer and was wondering if it was bloated at all.... not that i'm complaining about UI designer or anything ;) ) |
| 22:56.59 | Hexarobi | my xml for soundshare is 5k |
| 22:58.49 | Kirov | My entire UI for SimpleTranqShot is 57KB, but it's 3 pages of options and a list of visual timers. |
| 22:59.20 | Kirkburn | Kirov, I've got 48/50 bonus thingies |
| 22:59.27 | Kirkburn | Can't find the lats two :( |
| 22:59.31 | cogwheel | hmmm... guess i should get optimizin... |
| 23:04.32 | Kirov | kirk ? |
| 23:04.36 | Kirov | oh |
| 23:04.39 | Kirov | use the map |
| 23:04.40 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 23:04.46 | Kirkburn | Oh, I got the 17 buildings |
| 23:04.50 | Kirkburn | It's just the coins now |
| 23:04.54 | Kirov | aah |
| 23:05.01 | Kirov | yeah, I didn't find that many. |
| 23:05.11 | Kirov | Playing at work so I just did the buildings and about 10 coins |
| 23:05.44 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I think I should stop now, before I get obsessed. Damn lovely game though :) |
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| 23:12.29 | cogwheel | I know there's a Button:Disable() (which works for check boxes, obviously) but how would I go about disabling an edit field? call this:ClearFocus() in OnEditFocusGained and change the font color manually? |
| 23:13.16 | Kirov | cogwheel - I :ClearFocus() :EnableMouse(0) and manually change the color |
| 23:13.35 | cogwheel | thanks |
| 23:23.49 | Kirkburn | Dammit, I got 49/50 |
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| 23:32.03 | Bleeter | Cairenn: sorry for the delay. yeah, that was reported in the test forum (the trainer problem) |
| 23:32.52 | Bleeter | i think there was a follow up blue post saying fixed in next ptr release |
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| 23:43.07 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is World of Warcraft Mod Dev Discussions |
| 23:48.00 | Hexarobi | hell ya, another favorite! what what! |
| 23:49.43 | Cairenn | welcome home Kirkburn, how was your holiday? |
| 23:50.04 | Kirkburn | =) Kinda glad to be back ... I think I've had enough of Italy for a while :P |
| 23:51.21 | Kirkburn | Lovely pool though :P All been okay in the last week? (in rl events, I'm shocked by the Israel situation) |
| 23:51.45 | Kirkburn | I hope no-one's been complaining at you about ClearFont again ;) |
| 23:51.51 | Cairenn | nary a word |
| 23:52.13 | Cairenn | well, other than those that are upset that you had to remove the font, but that's not quite the same |
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| 23:54.25 | Kirkburn | Indeed not ... lots of font suggestions to look at since I got back, fortunately |
| 23:54.54 | Cairenn | points for effort to those making suggestions to assist, then |
| 23:54.57 | Kirkburn | Ooh, what's the general community feeling about the shaman/paladin thing? |
| 23:55.35 | Tem | most don't like it is what I'm getting |
| 23:55.37 | Cairenn | the teeny bit I've read, folks are bitching - I'm sure there are others that can give more detail |
| 23:55.47 | Tem | but I don't think that's a good barometer |
| 23:55.58 | Tem | it's the vocal minority thing |
| 23:56.06 | Cairenn | as always |
| 23:56.26 | Tem | Personally, I'm pretty skeptical of the idea as a whole |
| 23:56.42 | zespri_work | interesting http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/9237405.htm |
| 23:56.45 | Kirkburn | I think I'm on the fence atm ... I can see the benefits, but I feel it takes something 'away' |
| 23:56.46 | Tem | but I'm cautiosly optimistic that they aren't making a really bad decision |
| 23:56.47 | zespri_work | I'd even say bizzare |
| 23:57.01 | Hexarobi | i wanted a new class |
| 23:57.10 | zespri_work | why 60-70 gear should be *that* better?? |
| 23:57.12 | Hexarobi | paladins suck, alliance or horde |
| 23:57.34 | Kirkburn | Ey7onix: "If you're wearing tier 3 at level 70, you better have a really good sense of humor and the ability to accept being called names void of allowing yourself to be emotionally damaged." |
| 23:57.46 | Kirkburn | (er, Emonix, even =) |
| 23:57.58 | zespri_work | uh huh, and the last post saying that green drop loot will be better then naxx's |
| 23:58.02 | zespri_work | I can't beleive ths |
| 23:58.08 | zespri_work | it looks so strange |
| 23:59.31 | Kirkburn | heh |
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