irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20060721

`00:00.12`	`Thrae`	`Hidden frames or frames that are not drawn can still receive events, correct?`
`00:00.25`	`Mikk`	`Hidden frames will not receive onupdate`
`00:00.39`	`Mikk`	`Frames that simply have no content work like any other frame`
`00:00.48`	`Thrae`	`Yeah, I just mean OnEvent.`
`00:00.49`	`Mikk`	`(Hidden frames WILL receive OnEvent though)`
`00:00.58`	`AnduinLothar`	`they dont recieve mouse events either obviously`
`00:01.02`	`Mikk`	`=P`
`00:02.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`ha, there's a /. article on wow as the cause for the decline in the pc game market`
`00:03.30`	`Thrae`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1699.0.html <-- any idea why this StatusBar receives no events and doesn't show?`
`00:04.02`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r43h96.res.gatech.edu)`
`00:04.06`	`JoshBorke`	`hola`
`00:05.46`	`Thrae`	`My StatusBar just dies after the first OnShow function call, and its OnEvent function is never called.`
`00:07.56`	`Thrae`	`http://www.pastebin.ca/94097 <-- non-forum post`
`00:09.13`	`MentalPower`	`AnduinLothar: PTR or Live?`
`00:09.39`	`AnduinLothar`	`live. i haven't done any addon ptr testing yet`
`00:10.04`	`MentalPower`	`do you need a specific race/class or just anything on draka?`
`00:10.45`	`AnduinLothar`	`alliance, preferably gnome caster. grab the latest APB from cosmos alpha or curse/wowi`
`00:11.31`	`MentalPower`	`will patcher do ok?`
`00:11.55`	`AnduinLothar`	`should be. i committed it 20 min ago before the hourly`
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`00:18.18`	`Mikk`	`Yay. I got to slap {{speedydelete}} on 150 wiki pages!`
`00:19.11`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`150?`
`00:19.19`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`whats the {speedydelete}} tag even do`
`00:19.32`	`kaso\|`	`deletes things, speedyly!`
`00:19.42`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Tem_ (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252)`
`00:19.49`	`kaso\|`	`well proposes them for deletion speedily`
`00:20.55`	`Qzot`	`exit`
`00:25.00`	`Mikk`	`it means that I think that one of the lazy admins should just zap the page right away`
`00:25.54`	`Mikk`	`Buggers haven't even deleted all those crap mod pages. Been like a month now =P`
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`00:26.31`	`Mikk`	`I'm half tempted to get back to Rustak and accept his proposal of making me an admin >.<`
`00:27.31`	`Mikk`	`Except I don't really want to do that, because then I'm supposed to think before I do stuff =)`
`00:27.42`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`do it!`
`00:29.05`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Nobody ever thinks because they do something on the internet anyway`
`00:31.26`	`Mikk`	`lol`
`00:32.05`	`Mikk`	`I wouldn't be able to resist replacing the front page with kirkburn's new page and I think Fandyllic and Schmidt would hate me for it =P`
`00:32.52`	`Mikk`	`( http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Main_Page_Dev_3 )`
`00:33.01`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`pffft`
`00:39.23`	`Mikk`	`There. I did give him fair warning =)`
`00:40.29`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`lol`
`00:40.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`anyone else wanna join in the casting party?`
`00:41.03`	`AnduinLothar`	`need to tax APB too see if i can break it`
`00:45.58`	`MentalPower`	`now weneed someone to invite us back into the raid :)`
`00:52.47`	`JoshBorke`	`what's this anduin?`
`00:54.02`	`AnduinLothar`	`ArcanePartyBars, grab 3.1 on curse and join us on draka gnomes`
`00:56.54`	`JoshBorke`	`after this ony run i will`
`00:56.57`	`JoshBorke`	`you make it raid wide?`
`00:57.10`	`AnduinLothar`	`aye`
`00:59.21`	`clad\|afk`	`Mikk: you are one of those crazy wiki gnomes, aye?`
`01:00.13`	`Mikk`	`very`
`01:00.53`	`AnduinLothar`	`got a raid of 3 on draka, anyone else wanna be a pall and join?`
`01:01.09`	`Mikk`	`gimme a US account and I'll be there in a flash =P`
`01:01.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`i dunno if i trust you with my 2nd`
`01:02.06`	`Mikk`	`Any particular fears I can alleviate? =)`
`01:02.51`	`Mikk`	`(actually, mostly j/k, but being able to swing by draka to test stuff and help test stuff would be nifty)`
`01:03.30`	`AnduinLothar`	`might think about it later, but i'm only hear for another 30 min or so`
`01:06.41`	`clad\|afk`	`Anyone mind making a horde character on Kael'thas so I can finish my guild charter?`
`01:06.55`	`Mikk`	`rofl.`
`01:07.05`	`Mikk`	`Rustak: "Hey, nice front page! I like it!"`
`01:12.38`	`JoshBorke`	`clad, you still need some one?`
`01:12.57`	`cladhaire`	`hrm?`
`01:13.09`	`JoshBorke`	`to sign your guild charter`
`01:13.16`	`cladhaire`	`yeah =)`
`01:13.20`	`cladhaire`	`kael'thas horde =)`
`01:13.31`	`JoshBorke`	`k, let me make sure i get DKP for ony, then i'll drop in`
`01:15.37`	`JoshBorke`	`name?`
`01:16.44`	`cladhaire`	`draoi`
`01:16.50`	`cladhaire`	`just make troll/orc preferably =0`
`01:17.10`	`JoshBorke`	`now you tell me :-P`
`01:17.29`	`JoshBorke`	`look for hamarian`
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`01:17.37`	`cladhaire`	`ok`
`01:25.03`	`JoshBorke`	`blasted kirkburn, i swear ClearFont only works when it's not loaded...`
`01:28.16`	`AnduinLothar`	`O.o`
`01:30.18`	`JoshBorke`	`quite odd i tell you`
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`01:41.48`	`MentalPower`	`cananyone suggest any perl tutorials?`
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`01:55.50`	`Mikk`	`1. bust out your modem. 2. dial something with a steady stream of output. 3. change your terminal speed to whatever the modem ISN'T using at the moment. 4. save the resulting terminal session output as "cool.pl" and execute it.`
`01:56.19`	`ckknight`	`how long does it take to raid UBRS?`
`01:56.24`	`ckknight`	`give or take`
`01:56.29`	`MentalPower`	`Mikk: nice`
`01:56.35`	`MentalPower`	`ckknight: 1.5hrs`
`01:56.41`	`MentalPower`	`on a decent group`
`01:56.45`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`01:56.48`	`Mikk`	`2+ with a pug now when it's 10man`
`01:56.51`	`MentalPower`	`2hrs+ on a bad group`
`01:58.10`	`cladhaire`	`Mikk: Thats submitted to bash btw =)`
`01:59.10`	`Mikk`	`palmface`
`01:59.28`	`JoshBorke`	`btw cladhaire! question for you about clique!`
`01:59.39`	`cladhaire`	`JoshBorke: zomg hi`
`02:00.07`	`JoshBorke`	`:-) how can i have left-click resurrect if the target is dead, but heal if they aren't?`
`02:00.29`	`cladhaire`	`just set them`
`02:00.36`	`cladhaire`	`one as click-to-res, and one as default friendly`
`02:01.31`	`JoshBorke`	`hm, what is this click-to-res you speak of?`
`02:01.53`	`cladhaire`	`its in the dropdown on the clique screen.. if you are a res class`
`02:02.28`	`JoshBorke`	`ah hah! new feature?`
`02:02.48`	`cladhaire`	`new like 3 weeks ago`
`02:02.49`	`cladhaire`	`noob =)`
`02:03.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`owned`
`02:03.14`	`MentalPower`	`totally`
`02:03.34`	`JoshBorke`	`lo`
`02:03.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`duh noob, get the latest vers before feature requesting >.<`
`02:03.44`	`JoshBorke`	`s/o/ol`
`02:03.44`	`AnduinLothar`	`zomg`
`02:03.46`	`cladhaire`	`hehe`
`02:04.03`	`JoshBorke`	`s/s\/o\/ol/lol/`
`02:04.09`	`JoshBorke`	`i guess not...`
`02:04.14`	`AnduinLothar`	`failure`
`02:04.25`	`AnduinLothar`	`~slap purl`
`02:04.28`	`purl`	`ACTION slaps purl, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
`02:04.50`	`MentalPower`	`~botslap`
`02:04.52`	`purl`	`ACTION whimpers`
`02:04.58`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Mikord (n=noone@cpe-68-206-150-250.hot.res.rr.com)`
`02:05.12`	`MentalPower`	`~botsnack`
`02:05.12`	`purl`	`:), MentalPower`
`02:15.55`	`Mikma`	`i like this one:`
`02:16.14`	`Mikma`	`purl: burn AnduinLothar`
`02:16.16`	`purl`	`ibot pours gasoline all over AnduinLothar, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze`
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`02:18.08`	`Mikk`	`Oh, Cairenne isn't here. No problem then =)`
`02:18.13`	`JoshBorke`	`purl: bugger Mikk`
`02:18.14`	`purl`	`ACTION grabs hold of the Eiffel tower, dips it in Tabasco and fresh metal shavings, and asks Mikk to please bend over.`
`02:18.23`	`Mikma`	`hahaa`
`02:18.29`	`MentalPower`	`lol!`
`02:19.17`	`Mikma`	`because Mikk has the ultimate 3 alphabets at the start of his nick`
`02:19.55`	`Mikk`	`Mmm.. There's certainly an over-represenation of those three letters here =)`
`02:20.02`	`JoshBorke`	`erm, you have 3 alphabets at the start of your nick? that's really long nick...`
`02:20.16`	`Mikma`	`well, something like that`
`02:20.21`	`Mikk`	`Aye, I had to bribe the freenode admins`
`02:20.24`	`Mikma`	`too tired to think gay... i mean straight`
`02:21.40`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Grumpey (n=Owner@dialup-4.152.210.133.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net)`
`02:33.12`	`Vallerius`	`is there an easy way to get the raid class colors from a localized class name?`
`02:33.58`	`Thrae`	`Vallerius: No. Where are you getting the localized class name?`
`02:34.19`	`Vallerius`	`Thrae: GetBattlefieldScore`
`02:34.21`	`Thrae`	`Vallerius: UnitClass returns two values, the second return is always the class name in English.`
`02:34.30`	`Thrae`	`Ahh, hmm.`
`02:34.53`	`Vallerius`	`i could always just make a lookup table, but... that sucks`
`02:34.57`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Lookup table`
`02:35.00`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`thats how i had to do it`
`02:35.07`	`Vallerius`	`bleh`
`02:35.16`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Had to make one that contains the localized class and then the non-localized one`
`02:35.32`	`Thrae`	`Vallerius: Babble-Class lib has all localized class names, and it's embeddable.`
`02:35.49`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`it's a trap!`
`02:36.15`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`I wonder how long it'll take for people to complain about my load on demand addon loader`
`02:36.23`	`JoshBorke`	`Thrae: you here?`
`02:36.29`	`Thrae`	`JoshBorke: What's up?`
`02:36.32`	`JoshBorke`	`oh, yea, there you are`
`02:36.36`	`Thrae`	`Vallerius: Search for Babble on WoWI`
`02:36.51`	`JoshBorke`	`in tinytip, how do i get it to show above the options menu? i can't read it because it's behind the options attached to my mouse =D`
`02:37.22`	`Thrae`	`JoshBorke: Don't use STICKY Frame Anchoring`
`02:37.31`	`gnorlish`	`thrae can i update to newest svn without a full wow restart`
`02:37.42`	`JoshBorke`	`i'm using cursor`
`02:37.47`	`Thrae`	`gnorlish: Yes, you should always be able to do that`
`02:37.52`	`Thrae`	`JoshBorke: For Frame Anchoring?`
`02:38.13`	`Thrae`	`gnorlish: Only when I add new files will you be required to restart WoW`
`02:38.19`	`JoshBorke`	`Thrae: yes`
`02:38.20`	`gnorlish`	`i just don't want to have it toss errors right now, it's almost impossible to get back into my realm if you disco`
`02:38.45`	`Vallerius`	`Thrae: thanks, found it`
`02:39.11`	`Thrae`	`JoshBorke: Yeah that's a problem with Dewdrop, I'll bug ckknight about it. Dewdrop's frame level shouldn't be higher then GameTooltip.`
`02:39.17`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Whats your char on PTR btw Vallerius?`
`02:39.55`	`Vallerius`	`Vallerius, PvE horde`
`02:40.29`	`JoshBorke`	`thrae: ko`
`02:44.16`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Oh I meant to ask you actually, does BFC use GetBattlefieldStatData?`
`02:45.36`	`Vallerius`	`Shadowed\|nax: Not yet, no. I've just started work on my BG-specific stuff`
`02:45.51`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`kk`
`02:46.30`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Made something so that it removes the server name from players and formats it into a column + abbrev, most sane way was to "fake" a statdata row. so was just checking :p`
`02:47.27`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`which brings me to another question, are server names localized?`
`02:48.57`	`Vallerius`	`I would assume the server name would be the same no matter your language pack`
`02:49.25`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Yeah, it's going to return an abbrev of the server though so "Test Server (PVE)" is "TS [E]" so just want to make sure`
`02:49.32`	`Vallerius`	`but assumptions have gotten me into trouble before, so...`
`02:49.43`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`hehe`
`02:49.47`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`will bug zespri once he gets on`
`02:51.20`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)`
`02:51.31`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ`
`02:59.08`	`JoshBorke`	`erm, Anduin messed up...`
`03:00.06`	`Iriel`	`It happens sometimes, even the gods make mistakes 8-)`
`03:00.46`	`zespri_work`	`Shadowed, ?`
`03:01.52`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`zespri: do you know offhand if GetRealmName() returns a non-localized or a localized realm name?`
`03:02.09`	`zespri_work`	`no idea =)`
`03:02.48`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`somebody is going to hate localizing this then!`
`03:03.00`	`zespri_work`	`I'll check it toningt if you wish, Shadowed, althogh I think you can trust Iriel =)`
`03:03.12`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`naw it's fine :p`
`03:03.22`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`I'll let the users find out`
`03:04.01`	`Iriel`	`but since i no of no way of mapping an unlocalized realm name to a localized one, I can't see any other way it could be`
`03:04.21`	`Vallerius`	`easiest way would be to go to the wow-euro site and see if the realm names are localized on their status page, methinks`
`03:05.17`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`yep`
`03:05.18`	`zespri_work`	`AIOI constructs the combined bag off small pieces, and the images of these pieces is part of AIOI. So I guess that wow itself has separate full texture for each bag it uses?`
`03:05.22`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`They are localized`
`03:05.30`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`"Kult der Verdammten"`
`03:06.00`	`Iriel`	`Wow's bag code has several textures depending on the bag size and I think type`
`03:06.01`	`Vallerius`	`on a lighter note, your localization is already done for you :p`
`03:06.17`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`haha yeah`
`03:07.11`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Although, I'm not sure how they'd want the abbrev's done. so they may have to do that themself :p`
`03:07.32`	`zespri_work`	`what is the maximum number of bags in the bank?`
`03:07.43`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`8?`
`03:07.57`	`zespri_work`	`that's what I'm inquiring about`
`03:08.02`	`Hexarobi`	`6`
`03:08.39`	`zespri_work`	`this matchs up`
`03:08.41`	`zespri_work`	`thanks`
`03:14.19`	`JoshBorke`	`night clad`
`03:14.28`	`JoshBorke`	`i'mma see if i can fix your click-on-dead-people bug :-D`
`03:14.41`	`Mikk`	`What's the point of delocalizing realm names? o.O`
`03:14.50`	`Mikk`	`Ever?`
`03:15.13`	`Mikk`	`I mean.. if the server is called "Kult der Verdammten", that's its name.`
`03:15.14`	`Iriel`	`Realm-specific addons?`
`03:15.29`	`Iriel`	`I dont know how EU realms are named tho`
`03:15.33`	`Mikk`	`Realm-specific _AddOns_?`
`03:15.42`	`Mikk`	`You mean realm specific SVs?`
`03:15.51`	`Iriel`	`I mean, would a server called "Cheese" in enUS be "Fromage" in frFR ?`
`03:16.04`	`Mikk`	`Probably yes`
`03:16.18`	`Iriel`	`ArcadiaLogos for example has realm-specific content`
`03:16.26`	`Mikk`	`The german and french servers are about 1/3rd localized`
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`03:16.55`	`Mikk`	`Lore names are generally left untouched. Actual "words" tend to be translated.`
`03:17.16`	`Industrial`	`Migj on the ace page on the wiki \o/`
`03:17.21`	`Mikk`	`What you actually need is a list of servers for different areas.`
`03:17.23`	`Industrial`	`mikk*`
`03:17.33`	`Mikk`	`heh, thanks i suppose =)`
`03:18.16`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Mikk: I only need it to abbrev servers so like "Icecrown" becomes "IC";`
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`03:19.42`	`JoshBorke`	`ah ha!`
`03:19.56`	`Mikk`	`Shadowed\|nax: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/serverstatus - knock yourself out =)`
`03:20.11`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Mikk: read up, used that! :p`
`03:20.45`	`JoshBorke`	`hrm, so, would it be ok if i committed a change to Clique that potentially fixed a bug? or should i submit the changes to clad's portal?`
`03:20.59`	`clad\|sleep`	`JoshBorke: Commit, I can always revert =)`
`03:21.00`	`clad\|sleep`	`whast the issue tho`
`03:21.29`	`JoshBorke`	`Click on Dead Unit isn't saving, though technically you're over-writing the saved value`
`03:21.36`	`clad\|sleep`	`i'll commit quick`
`03:21.38`	`clad\|sleep`	`i remember tha tone`
`03:21.39`	`clad\|sleep`	`lol`
`03:21.42`	`JoshBorke`	`RegisterClickSet over-writes the table =D`
`03:21.50`	`clad\|sleep`	`yeah its all getting rewritten`
`03:21.55`	`JoshBorke`	`ah, ok`
`03:22.05`	`JoshBorke`	`and i was gonna try to save you time =D`
`03:22.59`	`clad\|sleep`	`hehe`
`03:23.03`	`clad\|sleep`	`i was still here =0`
`03:23.42`	`Iriel`	`Odd.. why is the toc not 11200 on the PTR?`
`03:23.47`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`they forgot`
`03:24.01`	`Iriel`	`Has anyone mentioned it?`
`03:24.12`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`to slouken? don't think so`
`03:24.24`	`Iriel`	`Has anyone else noticed it?`
`03:24.34`	`Iriel`	`Or is my install just odd?`
`03:24.34`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`It was mentioned when the 1.12 PTR download was released like a week ago`
`03:24.39`	`Iriel`	`ok`
`03:24.43`	`Iriel`	`I've been busy`
`03:24.45`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`but only in IRC`
`03:24.53`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Wasn't saying you we're slow!`
`03:24.57`	`Iriel`	`I'll email slouken`
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`03:31.06`	`Iriel`	`strange, 1.12 has lottery API's`
`03:31.15`	`clad1\|sleep`	`Iriel: Thats what someone said`
`03:31.25`	`Iriel`	`Quite a few functions, in fact`
`03:31.52`	`clad\|sleep`	`night all`
`03:32.00`	`JoshBorke`	`night clad\|sleep`
`03:32.17`	`Iriel`	`Eww.. OptionsFrame_EnableCheckbox has a non-backwards-compatible change`
`03:34.12`	`End`	`yeah, they complete redid the Options stuff I hear`
`03:35.01`	`JoshBorke`	`night all`
`03:35.02`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r43h96.res.gatech.edu)`
`03:35.52`	`Iriel`	`Oh my! ClearCursor!`
`03:36.01`	`Kirov`	`?!`
`03:36.48`	`Iriel`	`Emptying a cursor used to be a horrible hack`
`03:36.58`	`Iriel`	`(i.e. removing whatever the cursor was dragging)`
`03:37.11`	`Mikk`	`Did he give us EditBox:SetCaret too?`
`03:38.27`	`Iriel`	`Not as far as I can tell`
`03:38.55`	`Mikk`	`Just curious... how the heck are you scanning the widget API anyway?`
`03:39.04`	`Mikk`	`I mean... isn't it all hidden behind that funky function?`
`03:40.09`	`Iriel`	`Magic? 8-)`
`03:40.17`	`Mikk`	`Oh`
`03:40.20`	`Mikk`	`I won't ask again =P`
`03:40.28`	`Iriel`	`I make a list of 'potential' names (it's rather long)`
`03:40.31`	`Iriel`	`and i scan for all of them`
`03:40.38`	`Iriel`	`The list comes from symbols in the executable`
`03:40.53`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`how do you find lottery functions then?`
`03:40.57`	`Mikk`	`That's easy`
`03:41.05`	`Iriel`	`that, plus a getfenv(0) scan`
`03:41.08`	`Mikk`	`Just scan the getfenv() return`
`03:41.15`	`Mikk`	`Nice table that you can loop`
`03:41.29`	`Mikk`	`Legorol's scanner has some extra logic that tries to eliminate FrameXML functions and stuff`
`03:41.29`	`Iriel`	`I actually do three scans and then correlate them (1 - exe usage and symbols, 2 - getfenv(0), 3 - references from blizzard UI code)`
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`03:43.06`	`Mikk`	`To put on the wiki I mean`
`03:43.08`	`Iriel`	`I already do that`
`03:43.13`	`Mikk`	`Automatically`
`03:43.15`	`Mikk`	`For all APIs`
`03:43.22`	`Mikk`	`Including those that don't have pages`
`03:43.25`	`Iriel`	`It's not practical, you need human involvement`
`03:43.37`	`Iriel`	`they're too inconsistently called (at least in my experience)`
`03:44.08`	`Mikk`	`well that was sort of the point.. examples plural =P`
`03:44.34`	`Mikk`	`Hm.. I should mention that I'm talking global APIs`
`03:44.35`	`Iriel`	`Getting the 'usage' strings out of the wow.exe can help tho`
`03:44.40`	`Mikk`	`oh`
`03:44.47`	`Mikk`	`damn good point there >.<`
`03:45.36`	`Iriel`	`I end up with a file with stuff like: SetTradeSkillInvSlotFilter (index [, on\off, exclusive]) - API`
`03:45.39`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`so basically, we can't replace you with a report with google built in yet Iriel?`
`03:45.49`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`err robot`
`03:46.36`	`Iriel`	`Not yet, though im sure my employers would also be interested if you succeed`
`03:46.56`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`I'll get to work on it`
`03:55.18`	`Iriel`	`The 'friend' nameplates stuff is something that used ot be asked for constantly too`
`03:58.57`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Iriel: It even shows enemy players in PVP now`
`04:00.59`	`Iriel`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=418542`
`04:01.02`	`Iriel`	`For anyone who cares`
`04:01.14`	`Mikk`	`YAY!`
`04:01.17`	`Mikk`	`Of course we care =)`
`04:01.38`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Not suprised that they removed those battlefield ones`
`04:01.53`	`End`	`yeah, those change reports are useful :)`
`04:02.00`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`It didn't fit with the new world PVP things, so they renamed it to something thats more broad`
`04:02.13`	`Iriel`	`And slouken confirms that 1.12 release WILL have 11200 as the TOC`
`04:02.26`	`Iriel`	`Except there's no new function to replace it`
`04:02.44`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`GetWorldStateUI`
`04:03.00`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`or something close to that`
`04:03.25`	`Iriel`	`Ah that was in 1.11 as well`
`04:04.05`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`I'm still not sure what CloseBattlefield(); does though`
`04:04.41`	`Iriel`	`It may stop the client receiving certain events`
`04:04.58`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Doesn't seem like it.`
`04:05.49`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`It's only used in Battlefield.lua when it doesn't look like it received the battleground info.`
`04:07.23`	`Iriel`	`its used in the .xml too I think`
`04:11.51`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`don't think it was when i checked last`
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`04:15.40`	`Iriel`	`Shadowed\|nax \| It is in both 1.11 and 1.12`
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`04:16.57`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`odd`
`04:17.02`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`whats it used in, for when a frame is closed?`
`04:17.23`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`which frame?`
`04:17.53`	`Iriel`	`BattlefieldFrame`
`04:18.10`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`Ah, so it's used in the same way that it's used in the Battlefield.lua file`
`04:18.19`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`i'll have to figure out what it stops from calling on test later`
`04:19.21`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`k, need to focus. back in a couple of hours :p`
`04:25.27`	`zespri_work`	`is there a good free bug tracking tool? I know trac, anything else?`
`04:26.25`	`Kemayo`	`Bugzilla seems powerful. Apparently a bit of a pain to set up, though.`
`04:26.34`	`Mikk`	`Yes and yes on that one`
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`04:29.55`	`zespri_work`	`ok thanks`
`04:31.42`	`MentalPower`	`norganna.org (auctioneer and gatherer) use trac, no problem with it so far`
`04:32.18`	`Mikk`	`Bugzilla works well for large projects with dozens of developers`
`04:32.26`	`Mikk`	`It breaks horribly for enterprise class stuff though`
`04:32.51`	`Mikk`	`(Where you keep multiple lines of a product alive, and want to be able to report bugs against multiple trees, assign multiple assignees to different parts of the bug, etc..)`
`04:33.04`	`Mikk`	`I imagine bugzilla being overkill for the vast majority of addons`
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`04:35.20`	`zespri_work`	`what backend trac uses? mysql?`
`04:35.32`	`zespri_work`	`or sqlite?`
`04:36.42`	`MentalPower`	`good question, I would assume MySQL, but lemme check on that`
`04:41.39`	`Kemayo`	`It's sqlite, at least by default.`
`04:42.23`	`Kemayo`	`It's entirely possible that it may support other approaches, mind. But I set it by typing "apt-get trac" and not meddling.`
`04:43.51`	`MentalPower`	`yep, just checked,it is indeed sqllite`
`04:45.49`	`Triadian`	`(Leaving) Reason: auto away after 30 minutes of inactivity. �~{Polaris IRC 2001}~�`
`04:46.22`	`Shadowed\|nax`	`AFK: Finding Tri-Away and breaking computer`
`04:47.38`	`ckknight`	`woo! success!`
`04:47.53`	`ckknight`	`FuBar is mostest popularest`
`04:48.12`	`ckknight`	`Top Favorites at least`
`04:48.18`	`ckknight`	`tied with SCT , actually :-P`
`04:48.51`	`Shadowed`	`You can stop hitting refresh now =p`
`05:04.09`	`End`	`whoops, I just crashed WoW`
`05:04.25`	`End`	`(I think I can reproduce it too)`
`05:04.39`	`Cairenn`	`pulled a Tem, did you?`
`05:04.49`	`End`	`perhaps`
`05:06.33`	`End`	`nope, can't reproduce it`
`05:07.58`	`End`	`wait, maybe I can`
`05:10.42`	`Cairenn`	`later Iriel`
`05:11.02`	`End`	`I blame Tem, since Tem started the three letter name curse!`
`05:11.36`	`Cairenn`	`shall I mention that the common shortened version of Slouken's rl name is a three letter name as well?`
`05:11.55`	`End`	`Sam?`
`05:11.58`	`End`	`well yeah`
`05:12.00`	`Cairenn`	`indeed`
`05:12.20`	`End`	`someday, I'll have to ask him how often he crashes WoW`
`05:12.44`	`End`	`probably a lot more than the rest of us, considering he's actually messing around with the internals :P`
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`05:31.32`	`zespri`	`what is lottery API?`
`05:31.41`	`Shadowed`	`nobody knows`
`05:31.58`	`zespri`	`Iriel does I'm sure`
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`05:32.27`	`Shadowed`	`he just found out about them today :p`
`05:32.44`	`Shadowed`	`and he said he didn't here http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=418542 !`
`05:34.44`	`zespri`	`ok, ok =)`
`05:34.55`	`Mikk`	`Legorol stumbled over them a few days ago also`
`05:35.00`	`Mikk`	`Nothing official on them`
`05:35.06`	`Mikk`	`Just found em by scanning the env`
`05:38.13`	`Mikk`	`Hummm.. why is there a "GetAddOnEnableState(["character"], index or "addonName")" that we don't have access to in Lua?`
`05:38.30`	`Mikk`	`Wouldn't that be kinda ... good?`
`05:38.37`	`Shadowed`	`you can find that out already`
`05:38.47`	`Mikk`	`true`
`05:38.49`	`Mikk`	`getaddoninfo`
`05:39.15`	`Shadowed`	`it would be simpler though`
`05:41.08`	`Mikk`	`Ah, I see... GlueXML has access to it`
`05:41.23`	`Shadowed`	`we're not trusted with it :(`
`05:41.26`	`Mikk`	`It also has Enable/DisableAddOn functions that take character names`
`05:41.40`	`Kirov`	`There's also the GetScriptMemory functions`
`05:41.41`	`Shadowed`	`Technically GetAddOnInfo does that i think :p`
`05:41.43`	`Kirov`	`>.<`
`05:41.51`	`Mikk`	`Shadowed: what?`
`05:42.00`	`Kirov`	`Shadowed - only for the player you're playing`
`05:42.10`	`Shadowed`	`^`
`05:42.23`	`Shadowed`	`what do you need to know it for other players anyway?`
`05:42.38`	`Mikk`	`Because I like to twiddle with stuff in-game when I'm waiting for the next pull =P`
`05:42.43`	`Shadowed`	`lol`
`05:45.48`	`Mikk`	`I also want to be able to tweak the .toc metadata for other addons from my mod >:]`
`05:46.23`	`Shadowed`	`Disabling the competition is bad!`
`05:46.38`	`Mikk`	`Haha`
`05:46.48`	`Mikk`	`Nah, was mostly thinking about optdepping for debugging purposes and stuff`
`05:47.07`	`Cairenn`	`people SUCK!`
`05:47.12`	`Mikk`	`If I want to disable an addon (for all intents of purposes), I can already do that today`
`05:47.13`	`Shadowed`	`this is new?`
`05:47.49`	`Shadowed`	`What'd they do now?`
`05:48.50`	`Mikk`	`Wait lemme guess... The "OMG YOU GOT MONEY" amoeba merged with the "ClearFont is a crime!" one and created a creature too vile to even begin to describe?`
`05:48.50`	`Cairenn`	`killing a named mob, I get one support mob dead, feign death, get my pet rezzed, kill the second, feign death, get my pet rezzed, kill the third ... watch some lkao7qu2587qiuhyfk;jasyfpias7er take the named`
`05:49.13`	`Shadowed`	`:(`
`05:49.37`	`Shadowed`	`Take aggro from the person, cheetah the mob away so it resets. run back quickly and retap it`
`05:49.44`	`Cairenn`	`bloody level 42 elite quest, the 239451halz;kdjfapos7rqw that did it was 59`
`05:49.54`	`Mikk`	`er`
`05:49.56`	`Mikk`	`idiot`
`05:50.17`	`Shadowed`	`s/resets/evades/`
`05:50.38`	`Mikk`	`hard to steal aggro from someone 15 levels higher`
`05:50.43`	`Mikk`	`he has to suck pretty hard`
`05:50.44`	`Shadowed`	`That is also true`
`05:50.53`	`Cairenn`	`so I logged off my 40 troll hunter, logged in one of my alliance, told them they were a real class act, logged back off`
`05:50.53`	`Shadowed`	`just swear at him a lot`
`05:50.58`	`Shadowed`	`pffft`
`05:51.13`	`Shadowed`	`swear at him a lot it'll make you feel better. worst case you get reported, you still have like 5 more times before you're perma banned!`
`05:51.17`	`Cairenn`	`and now I have to find the damn mob and start all over again`
`05:52.38`	`Cairenn`	`anyway, sorry, back to your regularly scheduled programming`
`05:52.46`	`Shadowed`	`we wern't doing anything`
`05:53.22`	`Cairenn`	`gd bitch`
`05:53.28`	`Shadowed`	`:o`
`05:53.33`	`Cairenn`	`not you :p`
`05:54.20`	`kergoth`	`~emulate chris`
`05:54.23`	`purl`	`I didn't know there was a 5 A.M. mass. I didn't even know there was a 5 A.M. What else haven't you told me!?`
`05:54.30`	`Shadowed`	`~emulte Cairenn`
`05:54.33`	`Shadowed`	`err`
`05:54.36`	`Shadowed`	`~emulate Cairenn`
`05:54.37`	`purl`	`ACTION purrs`
`05:54.44`	`Cairenn`	`not right now I don't :p`
`05:55.36`	`kergoth`	`~emulate chris`
`05:55.37`	`purl`	`It'll be a good chance to get away from the evil monkey that lives in my closet."`
`05:55.53`	`Shadowed`	`~emulate stewie`
`05:55.54`	`purl`	`No Sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you.`
`05:56.02`	`Shadowed`	`bad bot`
`05:56.03`	`Shadowed`	`~botslap`
`05:56.05`	`purl`	`Hey what was that for, shadowed?`
`05:56.15`	`Shadowed`	`telling me what i can't do!`
`05:56.24`	`Mikk`	`purl, fire Shadowed`
`05:56.25`	`purl`	`I'm sorry, Shadowed, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff.`
`05:56.29`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`05:56.33`	`Shadowed`	`~sigh Mikk`
`05:56.35`	`purl`	`ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Mikk!"`
`05:56.35`	`kergoth`	`~emulate bender`
`05:56.36`	`purl`	`Well I don't have anything else planned for today, let's get drunk!`
`05:56.40`	`kergoth`	`woo`
`05:56.51`	`Shadowed`	`~purl stab Mikk`
`05:56.53`	`purl`	`ACTION runs at Mikk with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.`
`05:57.03`	`Mikk`	`purl, burn Shadowed!`
`05:57.05`	`purl`	`ibot pours gasoline all over Shadowed!, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze`
`05:57.10`	`Shadowed`	`purl, kick Mikk`
`05:57.11`	`purl`	`bugger off, shadowed!`
`05:57.16`	`Shadowed`	`...`
`05:57.17`	`Mikk`	`hah`
`05:57.22`	`Shadowed`	`DAMN YOU BOT!`
`06:01.34`	`Mikk`	`purl, boot Shadowed`
`06:01.36`	`purl`	`ACTION inconspicously shuffles over to get a straight line across Shadowed to the window above the dumpster, takes aim, and punts Shadowed out to where he belongs!`
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`06:02.52`	`Shadowed`	`purl, kill Mikk`
`06:02.54`	`purl`	`ACTION shoots a hyper-charged meson gun at Mikk`
`06:03.40`	`Beladona`	`mer`
`06:03.50`	`Shadowed`	`ssshhhh`
`06:03.54`	`Shadowed`	`Cairenn is pissed`
`06:04.03`	`Beladona`	`new updates on wdn, for anyone that cares`
`06:04.09`	`Mikk`	`haha`
`06:04.09`	`Cairenn`	`naw, I'm fine now`
`06:04.10`	`Beladona`	`now with pretty urls`
`06:04.58`	`Beladona`	`click a link`
`06:05.03`	`Beladona`	`and then look at the address`
`06:05.06`	`Shadowed`	`Ah, the link at the top?`
`06:05.11`	`Shadowed`	`ah i see`
`06:05.15`	`Beladona`	`mod_rewrite`
`06:05.42`	`Mikk`	`mod_rewrite owns`
`06:05.42`	`Beladona`	`I implemented smart code viewing too`
`06:06.22`	`ckknight`	`all its urls are pretty`
`06:06.39`	`Beladona`	`check this out`
`06:06.42`	`Beladona`	`http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/live/FrameXML/ChatFrame.xml`
`06:06.49`	`Beladona`	`notice the 'live' in the link`
`06:06.51`	`Shadowed`	`my eyesssss!`
`06:07.04`	`Beladona`	`that link will ALWAYS show the current live version of that file`
`06:07.11`	`Beladona`	`or any file actually`
`06:07.15`	`Shadowed`	`nice`
`06:07.19`	`Beladona`	`as long as it still exists in teh current version of course`
`06:07.24`	`Shadowed`	`The colors are a bit brite in IE by the way`
`06:07.37`	`Mikk`	`Beladona: YAY! Thanks!`
`06:07.38`	`Shadowed`	`Nothing that bad, but kind of hard to read in IE7`
`06:07.42`	`Beladona`	`those are standard code colors`
`06:07.56`	`Shadowed`	`damn IE :(`
`06:08.11`	`Mikk`	`Beladona: You may want to change your diff settings by the way... Blizzard strip out stuff we're not supposed to see by replacing it with blank lines.`
`06:08.19`	`Mikk`	`So we're getting lots of blank line changes`
`06:08.22`	`Mikk`	`Bit pointless`
`06:08.28`	`Beladona`	`explain?`
`06:08.35`	`Mikk`	`sec i'll find examples`
`06:08.47`	`Mikk`	`http://wdn.wowinterface.com/detail/01205496/live/10`
`06:09.15`	`Beladona`	`whats wrong with that`
`06:09.24`	`Mikk`	`Nothing's _wrong_ per se`
`06:09.28`	`Mikk`	`It's just very uninteresting`
`06:09.39`	`Mikk`	`Since 0 functionality has changed`
`06:10.01`	`Mikk`	`And ends up tagging lots of files as "changed" when nothing really has changed`
`06:10.02`	`Beladona`	`diff can't see stuff that doesn't really do anything`
`06:10.11`	`Beladona`	`if it changes in the files, it sees it`
`06:10.19`	`Mikk`	`standard unix diff?`
`06:10.27`	`Mikk`	`gnu i should say`
`06:10.36`	`Beladona`	`windows frontend, but basically yeah`
`06:10.57`	`Beladona`	`that file you linked had lines inserted`
`06:11.12`	`Mikk`	`diff --ignore-blank-lines`
`06:11.14`	`Beladona`	`as to whether those lines do anything in-game currently, thats beside the point`
`06:11.27`	`Mikk`	`Ok, I'll rephrase`
`06:11.38`	`Beladona`	`oh wait, you think because the left side is blank?`
`06:11.43`	`Beladona`	`nonono`
`06:11.53`	`Beladona`	`that represents the fact that those lines didn't exist in that file`
`06:11.58`	`Beladona`	`look at the line numbers`
`06:12.00`	`Mikk`	`I know`
`06:12.04`	`Mikk`	`I know how diff works =)`
`06:12.33`	`Beladona`	`I don't understand what you are trying to point out then`
`06:12.39`	`Beladona`	`my diff ignores changes in whitespace`
`06:12.45`	`Mikk`	`I'm just saying that when I'm interested in seeing what's actually changed, getting 5 files with blankline changes for each file with ACTUAL changes is .... annoying =P`
`06:13.14`	`Mikk`	`Those files are getting flagged as "woohoo! changes!" in the file listings`
`06:13.26`	`Beladona`	`right`
`06:13.30`	`Beladona`	`as I intended`
`06:13.50`	`Beladona`	`you mean like line 1200?`
`06:13.54`	`Beladona`	`where nothing is there`
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`06:14.00`	`Beladona`	`but it sees it as inserted anyway?`
`06:14.13`	`Mikk`	`yes`
`06:14.14`	`Beladona`	`its still a blank line that wasn't there`
`06:14.17`	`Mikk`	`yes`
`06:14.21`	`Mikk`	`but it's totally uninteresting`
`06:14.21`	`Beladona`	`so I see that as pertinent`
`06:14.30`	`Beladona`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:14.34`	`Mikk`	`the whole file has no changes except inserted blanklines`
`06:14.53`	`Beladona`	`uhh`
`06:14.53`	`Shadowed`	`I infact have a mod that relies on those whitespaces being there`
`06:14.57`	`Shadowed`	`i'd be sad if i couldn't see them in wdn :(`
`06:15.01`	`Beladona`	`that file has changes other than blank lines`
`06:15.15`	`Beladona`	`give me a file that has ONLY blank line insertions as changes`
`06:15.15`	`Mikk`	`it does?`
`06:15.25`	`Mikk`	`oh fek`
`06:15.52`	`Beladona`	`something must be wrong with your css`
`06:15.56`	`Beladona`	`plenty of code in the green`
`06:16.55`	`Mikk`	`Gah.`
`06:17.11`	`Mikk`	`Yeah... it just wasn't showing >.<`
`06:17.25`	`Beladona`	`what browser?`
`06:17.33`	`Mikk`	`Opera 9`
`06:17.40`	`Beladona`	`hmm`
`06:17.46`	`Mikk`	`No biggie I suppose`
`06:17.48`	`Beladona`	`I haven't done too much testing in opera`
`06:18.02`	`Mikk`	`Opera mostly does the same that FF does`
`06:18.06`	`Beladona`	`guess I should, although it has the smallest usage percent on my site`
`06:18.15`	`Mikk`	`Except in this particular case it obviously disagreed =)`
`06:18.40`	`Beladona`	`very weird`
`06:18.52`	`Beladona`	`and the css for that isn't really special`
`06:18.53`	`Mikk`	`Ok, forget my whole argument. I was seeing LOTS of files with only lots of blank lines inserted. I've seen that happen with sources from other companies where they want to keep line numberes matching for patching purposes but hide internal documentation and stuff`
`06:19.18`	`Mikk`	`So I just went ahead and assumed blizzard had started doing that too`
`06:19.31`	`Beladona`	`hehe`
`06:19.38`	`Beladona`	`now you see why I was totally confused?`
`06:19.40`	`Beladona`	`=P`
`06:19.41`	`Mikk`	`yes =)`
`06:20.02`	`Mikk`	`And I see why you were being a stubborn ass ;)`
`06:20.47`	`Shadowed`	`probably? :p`
`06:20.56`	`Beladona`	`as far as I could tell there was only one line on that page that was blank but being counted as inserted`
`06:20.56`	`Mikk`	`nah. i know i was =)`
`06:21.03`	`Mikk`	`yeah`
`06:21.10`	`Beladona`	`but it really was an inserted blank line, so I was like "huh?"`
`06:22.16`	`Beladona`	`http://wdn.wowinterface.com/engine/style.php?css=detail`
`06:22.21`	`Beladona`	`that is the css for that page`
`06:22.27`	`Beladona`	`not counting what is global`
`06:22.56`	`Beladona`	`of particular note would be the td.U, etc... lines`
`06:23.33`	`Beladona`	`here is a thought`
`06:23.42`	`Beladona`	`load it in opera again, and see if you can highlight the text`
`06:23.45`	`Mikk`	`Wow.. that HTML is not nice`
`06:23.58`	`Mikk`	`It has like a dozen tags for each half of a word`
`06:24.27`	`Beladona`	`its a limitation in teh xml`
`06:24.39`	`Beladona`	`takes too long to rewrite it, so I just leave it`
`06:25.47`	`Beladona`	`another thing is, consolidating the xml causes the code to not wrap`
`06:26.00`	`Beladona`	`which was a problem I had before, and another reason I left it as is`
`06:26.34`	`Mikk`	`Interesting. If I turn outline debugging on, I see the indent boxes`
`06:26.42`	`Mikk`	`But there's really no text there whatsoever`
`06:27.05`	`Beladona`	`not even when highlighted?`
`06:27.34`	`Beladona`	`you know what?`
`06:27.39`	`Beladona`	`I don't think it is the css`
`06:27.52`	`Beladona`	`it has to be how Opera handles xsl transformations`
`06:28.41`	`Mikk`	`yea`
`06:28.45`	`Beladona`	`maybe I need to put a detection script using mod_rewrite warning people to not use Opera with my site, or face possible reductions in quality`
`06:28.48`	`Elkano`	`/hug Beladona`
`06:29.13`	`Mikk`	`hint: search for Opera in the whole agent string`
`06:29.21`	`Mikk`	`it likes to masquerade as other browsers`
`06:29.22`	`Beladona`	`yeah I know how to do it`
`06:29.32`	`Beladona`	`Opera is annoying`
`06:29.38`	`Beladona`	`which is part of the reason i don't code for it`
`06:30.03`	`Mikk`	`Well... When people check for "IE" and "Netscape" and refuse to let you into their bloody sites.... the natural response is to lie`
`06:30.12`	`Elkano`	`(you just deserved it for the wdn changes :) )`
`06:30.28`	`Beladona`	`they wouldn't have to check if Opera followed the norm`
`06:30.35`	`Mikk`	`huh?`
`06:30.37`	`Beladona`	`as you can see with this xsl problem`
`06:30.58`	`Mikk`	`I'm talking about people with regular HTML sites that refuse to let you in if you don't use Netscape or IE`
`06:31.22`	`Mikk`	`Usually with a statement along the lines of "Your browser is too old. Go download the newest IE to look at my site"!`
`06:31.28`	`Beladona`	`see now, I don't blieve in blocking all BUT certain browsers`
`06:31.41`	`Beladona`	`detecting problem browsers and warning them about possible issues is one thing`
`06:31.47`	`Mikk`	`definitely`
`06:31.49`	`Beladona`	`but not complete blocking`
`06:32.01`	`Mikk`	`it's all too common`
`06:32.06`	`Beladona`	`and the sad thing is`
`06:32.19`	`Beladona`	`many of the problems they block for, are things that they are too lazy too fix`
`06:32.30`	`Elkano`	`"This page follows XHTML1.0 and CSS2.0 standards. If your browser cares shit about these, well, your problem..." ;)`
`06:32.31`	`Beladona`	`(the web developer)`
`06:33.02`	`Mikk`	`Elkano: It could actually be a bug in the XSL markup`
`06:33.19`	`Beladona`	`oh I know what it is`
`06:33.24`	`Beladona`	`but its stupid`
`06:33.34`	`Shadowed`	`haha`
`06:33.35`	`Shadowed`	`rain in AB`
`06:33.50`	`Shadowed`	`+ fog`
`06:34.10`	`Beladona`	`http://wdn.wowinterface.com/engine/styles/detail.xsl`
`06:34.40`	`Beladona`	`the last few templates are the issue`
`06:34.52`	`Beladona`	`the ones that detect mg:s and so one, and replace with spaces or tabs`
`06:36.23`	`Elkano`	`Mikk, my statment was ment independant from the current problem... but eg seeing Microsoft stating that IE wont be 100% compatible to the standards once again... well...`
`06:37.08`	`Cairenn`	`okay, sleep time for this chickie, night guys`
`06:37.58`	`Mikk`	`Beladona: Puuh. I'm so glad I'm not the one maintaining your site. XSL hurts my head =)`
`06:38.05`	`Beladona`	`Opera makes up 2.55% of my users on wdn`
`06:38.08`	`Beladona`	`=D`
`06:38.25`	`Beladona`	`IE is 32.55%`
`06:38.32`	`Mikk`	`Of course, it doesn't help that it's half past eight in the morning here.`
`06:38.35`	`Beladona`	`Firefox is 63.05%`
`06:38.47`	`Elkano`	`pwnd ^^`
`06:39.01`	`Mikk`	`Well, I'm not surprised that Opera is low since before v9 it'd display wdn as a white page =)`
`06:39.03`	`Beladona`	`interesting numbers, considering that most people visiting my site are coders`
`06:39.14`	`Beladona`	`it shows what most coders in the wow community prefer`
`06:39.20`	`Mikk`	`It doesn't get to be a lot of clicking that way =P`
`06:39.29`	`Elkano`	`but this once again proves: those who 'know' (devs and so on) are using browsers instead of IE ;)`
`06:39.52`	`Mikk`	`Devs also tend to be idealistic and thus automatically dislike MS =)`
`06:39.56`	`Beladona`	`7 might help them, but I still won't be using IE, except for developmental testing`
`06:40.09`	`Beladona`	`I dont dislike them`
`06:40.12`	`Beladona`	`I distrust them`
`06:40.15`	`Beladona`	`there is a difference`
`06:40.17`	`Mikk`	`Haha`
`06:40.29`	`Beladona`	`I use MS software heavily at work`
`06:40.37`	`Mikk`	`Aye, same`
`06:40.42`	`Mikk`	`It just doesn't get to talk to the Internet =)`
`06:41.08`	`Beladona`	`much is die to requirements in proprietary software`
`06:41.11`	`Beladona`	`due*`
`06:41.26`	`Elkano`	`btw: Blizzard failed :/ they disabled posting on the EU forums in order to have the users test the new ones... but the new ones don't have an UI forum (yet) :/`
`06:41.28`	`Beladona`	`but I have been pushing for open source alternatives where possible`
`06:41.48`	`Beladona`	`we just switched to an open source anti-spam system in fact`
`06:41.58`	`Thrae\|Away`	`SpamAssasin?`
`06:42.04`	`Beladona`	`MailWasher`
`06:42.16`	`Mikk`	`Good for you.All the commercial ones suck royal ass.`
`06:42.28`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i used popfile for the longest time`
`06:42.30`	`Beladona`	`we had Symantec`
`06:42.37`	`Mikk`	`Hahaha symantec`
`06:42.39`	`Beladona`	`but I am getting rid of them, antivirus and all`
`06:42.40`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`now i just use the one built into thunderbird :x`
`06:42.44`	`Beladona`	`I hate Symantec`
`06:42.52`	`Thrae\|Away`	`Is MailWasher server or client?`
`06:42.55`	`Beladona`	`server`
`06:42.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Symantec Antivirus is pretty damn nice`
`06:43.08`	`Beladona`	`not the nterprise version`
`06:43.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that's what i use`
`06:43.22`	`Mikk`	`Mr_Rabies2: thunderbird clientside + spamassassin serverside = win`
`06:43.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i like it`
`06:43.33`	`Thrae\|Away`	`I didn't know even Symantec Enterprise had a server anti-spam solution.`
`06:43.33`	`Beladona`	`I see a major difference in load and performance between Symantec AV Corporate and other AV`
`06:43.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`bellsouth uses spamassassin i think`
`06:43.49`	`Beladona`	`its not too good`
`06:43.55`	`Mikk`	`Thrae\|Away: Integrated in their mail gw`
`06:43.57`	`Mikk`	`It bloooooows`
`06:44.03`	`Thrae\|Away`	`Ahh`
`06:44.03`	`Beladona`	`well, not as good as the OpenSource MailWasher`
`06:44.08`	`Beladona`	`which is kinda sad methinks`
`06:44.10`	`Mikk`	`Catches like a 5th of what spamassassin catches`
`06:44.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`SAV works really well for me`
`06:44.13`	`Beladona`	`for Symantec`
`06:44.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`same on my home account`
`06:44.53`	`Mikk`	`Or, that is, that's what I got a year ago`
`06:44.57`	`Mikk`	`18 months ago even`
`06:45.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`bellsouth filters about 99% of them before i get them`
`06:45.02`	`Mikk`	`When I started dropping spam at the gw`
`06:45.03`	`Elkano`	`but funny thing: I've gotten the last post in the deDE UI forums before they had been locked ^^`
`06:45.04`	`Beladona`	`we don't get any now`
`06:45.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and never seem to filter out stuff i want`
`06:45.06`	`Mikk`	`I have no idea what I get total today`
`06:45.20`	`Beladona`	`and each user can check their own quarantine for possible false positives`
`06:45.34`	`Beladona`	`which I integrated into Outlook as a default folder`
`06:45.46`	`Thrae\|Away`	`<3 trashmail.net`
`06:45.50`	`Mikk`	`Of course, I had to tweak the SA settings somewhat when we started doing business with China`
`06:46.02`	`Mikk`	`"Dear Sirs" = 4 pts SA score of 5 possible`
`06:46.08`	`Beladona`	`and MailWasher has per-user whitelists, which is nice`
`06:46.15`	`Mikk`	`Guess what the chinese always begin their letters with? =P`
`06:46.20`	`Beladona`	`and self-learns based on what you rescue from quarantine`
`06:46.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah, Beysian filters rock.`
`06:47.04`	`Beladona`	`the RBLs you use makes a big difference too`
`06:47.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`popfile did a great job for me`
`06:47.32`	`Mikk`	`Sender RBLs don't help a whole lot these days though`
`06:47.40`	`Mikk`	`Most of the spam is coming from infected computers`
`06:47.51`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah`
`06:47.52`	`Beladona`	`the funny thing is, with Symantec spam got blocked, and poof nothing. Now with the quaratine, users are finally opening their eyes to just how important spam blocking is`
`06:47.56`	`Mikk`	`What DOES help is scanning URLs and stuff in the mail and looking up against blacklisted spans`
`06:48.26`	`Beladona`	`when you log in the first time to 50 per page, and 10 pages, you appreciate antispam`
`06:49.35`	`Mikk`	`Beladona: Arf.. what was the live url again?`
`06:49.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`beysian filters learn based on what you setup, and get a lot more accurate over time`
`06:49.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`popfile had like a 98.99% accuracy after i used it for a long time`
`06:50.16`	`Mikk`	`Ah. replace number by "live"`
`06:50.40`	`Beladona`	`aye`
`06:51.09`	`Beladona`	`or just go to http://wdn.wowinterface.com/latest and copy/paste what you need`
`06:51.38`	`Beladona`	`all those links use the live or test instead of the number`
`06:51.53`	`Beladona`	`makes a good cheat sheet`
`06:52.01`	`Mikk`	`Beladona: example: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_FontInstance_SetFontObject at the bottom`
`06:52.43`	`Beladona`	`awesome`
`06:53.30`	`Beladona`	`makes things nice to have the source code right there for people to see`
`06:53.36`	`Mikk`	`oya`
`06:53.55`	`Beladona`	`I still have to figure out how I want to do the Functions section`
`06:54.43`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge quoin (n=quoin@60-240-215-79.tpgi.com.au)`
`06:55.28`	`Beladona`	`and someone suggested the idea of offering alternate localization files for other languages, but I have no idea how I would obtain something like that ever single patch`
`06:56.42`	`Mikk`	`mmm hard one`
`06:56.50`	`Mikk`	`but yours would be the logical place to collect that info`
`06:56.55`	`Beladona`	`yeah`
`06:57.01`	`Beladona`	`would take people sending it to me I guess`
`06:57.06`	`Mikk`	`yup`
`06:57.10`	`Mikk`	`we do have some germans here`
`06:57.17`	`Mikk`	`and that french guy that keeps popping in and out =P`
`06:57.30`	`Mikk`	`asians... not so many =(`
`06:57.53`	`Beladona`	`what I really need to do is have some way for people to upload interface files for localizations I don't have`
`06:58.01`	`Mikk`	`yep!`
`06:58.14`	`Elkano`	`Beladona, you would most likely only need the GlobalStrings.lua, won't you?`
`06:58.34`	`Beladona`	`mainly`
`06:58.40`	`Mikk`	`probably want some other file to uniquely identify the version too`
`06:58.43`	`Mikk`	`can't trust users with that =)`
`06:58.46`	`Beladona`	`although there are other files with global strings in them that could be localized`
`06:59.13`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge krka\|work (n=kristofe@66.217.181.62.in-addr.dgcsystems.net)`
`06:59.32`	`Beladona`	`and they haven't been using the Localization.lua files in teh Blizzard_AddOns yet, but they might in a future version`
`06:59.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well then`
`06:59.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`speaking of spam`
`06:59.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`here's an interesting tidbit from my spam folder:`
`06:59.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`"Fuck off, Dragon Lady! "Put that in your wallet,Roger Sheldon said, "and if you ever get excited while youre making out at the drive-in, take a second between excited enough to want to and too excited to care and slip that on`
`07:00.03`	`Beladona`	`yeah`
`07:00.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i get the funniest spam`
`07:00.29`	`Beladona`	`I have noticed a trend lately where spammers send a full story split between multiple emails, and spam random addresses with it`
`07:00.37`	`Beladona`	`kinda weird`
`07:00.51`	`Mikk`	`it's to fool bayesian filters`
`07:00.54`	`Mikk`	`very easy`
`07:01.05`	`Beladona`	`didn't fool ours`
`07:01.07`	`Beladona`	`=P`
`07:01.08`	`krka\|work`	`haha: http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/82535.aspx`
`07:01.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`after enough filtering bayesian learn how to fight it well`
`07:01.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Thunderbird's about 50/50 because of how little i use it`
`07:01.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i run it like once a month`
`07:01.52`	`Mikk`	`wtf? opera9 has bittorrent integrated?`
`07:02.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yay! all in one browsers ftw?`
`07:02.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`not my cup of tea -_-`
`07:02.49`	`Shadowed`	`hahahahahha`
`07:02.49`	`Mikk`	`I'm also IRCing in it :-P`
`07:02.52`	`Shadowed`	`krka\|work thats awesome`
`07:03.07`	`krka\|work`	`it has ninjas, of course it's awesome`
`07:03.08`	`Mikk`	`And ya know what? It uses less RAM than FF =P`
`07:03.22`	`krka\|work`	`yes, but does it run linux?`
`07:03.29`	`Mikk`	`run ON linux?`
`07:03.29`	`Mikk`	`yes`
`07:03.51`	`Mikk`	`Come to think of it "run linux" isn't too far from the truth for FF`
`07:04.01`	`Mikk`	`It implements half a bloody OS inside itself :-P`
`07:04.10`	`Beladona`	`2.0 isn't bad`
`07:04.19`	`Beladona`	`they are cleaning it up slowly`
`07:04.35`	`Mikk`	`Don't get me wrong. I'm using FF.`
`07:04.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i love firefox`
`07:04.52`	`Beladona`	`its all I will use`
`07:04.55`	`Mikk`	`It's just a little on the big side, code wise`
`07:05.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it doesn't use too much memory unless i leave it open on a flash page`
`07:05.02`	`Beladona`	`but I do agree`
`07:05.07`	`Mikk`	`Which matters not on any modern computer but ...`
`07:05.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`most of the size of firefox comes from extensions and plugins`
`07:05.18`	`Beladona`	`leave it open, on a flash page, with 10+ tabs open....`
`07:05.22`	`Beladona`	`all day`
`07:05.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`without those, it uses like nothing`
`07:05.29`	`Beladona`	`and then wonder where your memory went`
`07:05.39`	`Mikk`	`that's the flash plugin sucking arse tho`
`07:05.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i just close it and reopen it with tabmixplus`
`07:05.45`	`Mikk`	`it'll suck equally hard anywhere else`
`07:05.47`	`Beladona`	`I have no plugins in mine`
`07:05.55`	`Beladona`	`save java and flash`
`07:05.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and get all my memory back`
`07:06.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i have the vlc plugin`
`07:06.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i wish you could control video with the vlc plugin :x`
`07:06.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it just shows up and you have no control as far as i can tell`
`07:06.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`other than pause with spacebar`
`07:06.39`	`Beladona`	`I wish you could make coffee remotely before you get to work with firefox`
`07:06.39`	`Mikk`	`you can probably surf to the plugin =)`
`07:06.43`	`Beladona`	`0.o`
`07:06.55`	`Mikk`	`vlc has like two dozen methods to control it`
`07:06.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what, mikk?`
`07:07.07`	`Mikk`	`including telnet and http`
`07:07.19`	`Beladona`	`one thing I do like in Opera and now IE7, that Firefox has yet to implement:`
`07:07.24`	`Beladona`	`page scaling`
`07:07.31`	`Mikk`	`yeah`
`07:07.32`	`Beladona`	`as a whole`
`07:07.38`	`Mikk`	`it's also a no-brainer really`
`07:07.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i turned that off asap`
`07:07.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it bothered me`
`07:07.48`	`Mikk`	`?`
`07:07.59`	`Mikk`	`which? =)`
`07:08.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`maybe it was just IE's was set to grow to fit my resolution or something or i don't know`
`07:08.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but everything was freaking huge in IE7's`
`07:08.24`	`Beladona`	`mine doesn't do that`
`07:08.27`	`Mikk`	`Heh doh`
`07:08.30`	`Beladona`	`it only scales when you tell it to`
`07:08.32`	`Mikk`	`Opera just defaults to 100% nicely`
`07:08.33`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Aeana (n=rah@c-24-2-30-199.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)`
`07:08.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`then again that was a few betas back`
`07:08.47`	`Mikk`	`But if you really do want to make stuff big, scaling the viewport is the way to go imo`
`07:08.58`	`Mikk`	`Just changing font sizes helps not one bit with small images`
`07:09.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`does the scaling kill image quality?`
`07:09.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'd imagine it did, but haven't tried it`
`07:09.34`	`Mikk`	`Just as much as it does in any image editor`
`07:09.40`	`Mikk`	`Can't zoom and view stuff that doesn't exist`
`07:09.45`	`Mikk`	`Contrary to what all TV shows suggest`
`07:09.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah`
`07:09.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ENHANCE`
`07:10.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`SPIN AROUND THE CRIME SCENE IN 3D SOMEHOW`
`07:10.17`	`Mikk`	`FREEZE THERE! ENCHANCE 2000%!`
`07:10.33`	`Mikk`	`And move in behind the guy that's hiding the thingy!`
`07:10.38`	`Beladona`	`its not horrible though`
`07:10.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i love that part of super troopers`
`07:10.41`	`krka\|work`	`it's blurry, can you sharpen it? - sure but it will take a few hours of processing`
`07:10.43`	`Beladona`	`you would be surprised`
`07:10.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Enhance! Enhance!`
`07:11.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`how do pictures get scaled up so well, like photos, without losing noticable quality?`
`07:11.16`	`Mikk`	`Beladona: yeah, sharpening blurry pictures is doable to some degree`
`07:11.29`	`Mikk`	`But blowing up a single pixel to a readable newpaper page? Riiiight =P`
`07:11.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`FutureNetwork's magazines would blow up tiny screenshots to half a page`
`07:11.49`	`Mikk`	`"Wow, that was one damn dense pixel!"`
`07:11.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`made every damn game look jaggy as hell`
`07:12.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and my xbox hating friends would be like I THOUGHT XBOX COULDNT HAVE JAGGIES HUH`
`07:12.27`	`Beladona`	`decent programs use advanced algorithms to scale images up`
`07:12.44`	`Beladona`	`depending on the algorithm, and the complexity of the image, it can be a decent scale`
`07:12.50`	`Mikk`	`Yeah, now we get wobblies instead of jaggies =)`
`07:13.27`	`Thrae\|Away`	`What was the name of that programming language that read in pixels? Pete?`
`07:13.31`	`Beladona`	`anyway, bed time. Work in 3 hours`
`07:13.34`	`Beladona`	`=D`
`07:13.37`	`Mikk`	`Ouch`
`07:13.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'd not go to sleep`
`07:13.49`	`Beladona`	`tempted`
`07:13.56`	`Mikk`	`Stay up and sleep at work instead`
`07:13.57`	`Beladona`	`have a meeting tomorrow at lunch though`
`07:13.57`	`Mikk`	`=)`
`07:14.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`takes me an hour to go to sleep and if i wake up without much sleep i feel more tired than not sleeping`
`07:14.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i can go for two days on no sleep and be fine, but sleeping less than 6 hours or more than 10 kills me`
`07:14.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`more than 10 makes me more tired as time goes on, something about building melatonin in sleep or something`
`07:19.42`	`Mikk`	`Meh. My natural rhythm is going to bed around 4am. It sucks =(`
`07:20.57`	`Mikk`	`But if I do that, I only need 6.5-7 hours of sleep. Compared to 9+ if I'm trying to keep hours suitable for a 9-5`
`07:22.37`	`Wobin`	`kinky`
`07:27.00`	`krka\|work`	`13h sleep FTW`
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`07:28.37`	`Mikk`	`So... who is going to write a REAL paintball addon? =)`
`07:28.57`	`Shadowed`	`?`
`07:29.37`	`Mikk`	`I'm talking about the kind that zooms into an FPS-style view, displays a bobbing paintball gun off to the right, and uses positioning APIs to determine if you've hit someone`
`07:29.47`	`Mikk`	`Oh, and paints a ball trajectory on the screen =)`
`07:29.50`	`Thrae\|Away`	`EA to Aqquire Mythic Entertainment, hmmmm`
`07:29.53`	`Shadowed`	`You have fun doing that`
`07:30.01`	`Mikk`	`Haha`
`07:30.05`	`Mikk`	`But it'd be fun!`
`07:30.10`	`Mikk`	`Paintball shootouts ftw =)`
`07:31.37`	`Mikk`	`It'd be something to do when waiting for pulls in BWL =)`
`07:31.39`	`krka\|work`	`hmm... interesting`
`07:31.44`	`krka\|work`	`could do it for raid / party atleast`
`07:31.48`	`Mikk`	`yeah`
`07:32.04`	`Mikk`	`And use the 1.12 apis for raid comms =)`
`07:32.05`	`krka\|work`	`but you'd have to trust all the clients`
`07:32.07`	`Mikk`	`Yeah`
`07:32.12`	`Shadowed`	`Base64!`
`07:33.04`	`Mikk`	`Bah. It WONT work in bwl >.<`
`07:33.09`	`Mikk`	`Gifv positioning info in instances`
`07:33.18`	`Shadowed`	`or MC, or AQ40, or Nax :p`
`07:33.25`	`Shadowed`	`or ZG, or strat, scholo, ect, ect!`
`07:33.33`	`Mikk`	`BWL is where I sit on my arse the most =P`
`07:33.46`	`Mikk`	`Or used to be anyway`
`07:33.58`	`Mikk`	`I suppose it's AQ40 and Nax now`
`07:37.08`	`Shadowed`	`Test server queue times are too short :(`
`07:48.44`	`Industrial`	`http://pastebin.ca/94418`
`07:54.33`	`zespri`	`how to find chance to crit? is ti possible?`
`07:55.35`	`Industrial`	`well there has to be some base chance to crit like 1%`
`07:55.45`	`Industrial`	`not sure on anything`
`07:55.47`	`Shadowed`	`Blizzard is able to do it through SpellBookFrame.lua`
`07:55.52`	`krka\|work`	`two ways: 1) count your stats-thingies 2) keep track of number of hits and number of crits over time`
`07:56.12`	`krka\|work`	`can even do both to compare :)`
`07:56.57`	`Shadowed`	`PVE server goes up, then down, then up, then down, then up, then down, then up, then down!`
`07:57.13`	`zespri`	`well, all shows you chance to crit/dodge/parry, how do they know? I'm sure it's not statistical based`
`07:57.41`	`krka\|work`	`they know the formulas?`
`07:57.45`	`zespri`	`if you know how to count stat thingie do tell`
`07:57.54`	`krka\|work`	`i personally dont`
`07:58.17`	`Shadowed`	`Can't you access the way blizzard does it to find melee crit?`
`07:58.35`	`Industrial`	`isnt that server sdidd?`
`07:58.40`	`Industrial`	`side*`
`07:59.35`	`Shadowed`	`i'll tell you as soon as the test server stops going friggin down every 10 seconds!`
`08:00.39`	`Shadowed`	`You're trying to get melee crit right, now spell?`
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`08:06.17`	`zespri`	`let's stat with something simple`
`08:06.20`	`zespri`	`let it be melee`
`08:06.35`	`Shadowed`	`http://pastebin.ca/94431 would be a quick way to do it with tooltip scanning`
`08:07.05`	`Shadowed`	`"4.15% chance to crit" would be an example of what you'd get as output`
`08:12.47`	`zespri`	`sorry, I wasn't precise. I wonder is there a tooltip somewhere in the game that displays this info`
`08:13.06`	`zespri`	`I'm asking from user perspective point of view this time`
`08:13.32`	`Shadowed`	`Melee crit can be viewed by going to Spellbook & Abilities -> Attack and hovering over that.`
`08:13.46`	`Shadowed`	`Spell crit and spell power aren't shown on the default UI, you need a mod to do it.`
`08:15.01`	`zespri`	`what are 1,1 stand for in SetSpell( 1, 1 );`
`08:15.18`	`zenzelezz`	`tab 1, item 1? Just guessing`
`08:15.26`	`zenzelezz`	`Attack is the first ability on my spellbook's first page`
`08:15.30`	`Shadowed`	`First one is the index in the current book, and the second one is the book`
`08:15.36`	`zespri`	`oh that would be melee`
`08:15.38`	`zespri`	`right`
`08:15.48`	`Shadowed`	`so SetSpell( 1, 2 ); would show the first spell in the second book`
`08:16.47`	`Shadowed`	`actually`
`08:17.04`	`Shadowed`	`I have managed to confuse myself!`
`08:17.53`	`zespri`	`never mind =)`
`08:18.12`	`zespri`	`so now when we are done with melee what about spell crits`
`08:18.28`	`Shadowed`	`Can't be done without a mod that calculates it I believe`
`08:18.38`	`zespri`	`is it possible to find it out without counting in combat?`
`08:18.50`	`zespri`	`oh ok. thanks`
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`08:59.20`	`Shadowed`	`heh, blizzard fixed the PVP ETA bug after like 4 patches`
`08:59.46`	`zenzelezz`	`what bug was that, incorrect estimation?`
`09:00.23`	`Shadowed`	`It basically didn't work 99% of the time`
`09:00.50`	`zenzelezz`	`maybe now people won't leave for battlegrounds halfway through instances then`
`09:00.56`	`Shadowed`	`no, they still will :p`
`09:01.05`	`Shadowed`	`err not ETA, I mean run time`
`09:01.29`	`Shadowed`	`Time elapsed! thats the word`
`09:02.09`	`zenzelezz`	`ah, I thought you meant the queue timer`
`09:02.56`	`Shadowed`	`so did i!`
`09:05.55`	`Gngsk`	`how confusing`
`09:10.50`	`Renyun`	`lol....there's nothing wrong with the queue timer per se....it's "inaccurate" 'cause it's an average of the last 10 ppl's wait time...says little about your chances to make it into the queue at a certain time =D`
`09:16.11`	`zenzelezz`	`yeah, I know`
`09:16.25`	`zenzelezz`	`just wish they'd change it somehow to show how close you really were`
`09:16.49`	`zenzelezz`	`getting tired of having to dig up new people in the middle of instances because "zomg AV"`
`09:17.14`	`zenzelezz`	`but like Shadowed, people probably wouldn't change even if they did :-p`
`09:17.19`	`zenzelezz`	`+ said`
`09:17.24`	`Renyun`	`hehe, so true`
`09:17.27`	`Mikk`	`Those people need to be shot`
`09:17.43`	`Renyun`	`that's why, I always tell ppl that i'm in a BG queue if they insist i join 'em in an instance`
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`09:18.02`	`Mikk`	`Yeah, if the group absolutely insists that you come anyway that's one thing`
`09:18.03`	`Priam`	`hi`
`09:18.04`	`zenzelezz`	`as long as they say so before we start, I'm okay we with`
`09:18.15`	`Shadowed`	`I just follow two simple rules :p`
`09:18.20`	`zenzelezz`	`what the hell is up with my grammar`
`09:18.27`	`zenzelezz`	`I think I need food`
`09:18.53`	`Shadowed`	`If the match is group VS pug, group vs easy group or group vs 100% a lose i'll either keep or i'll take another BG.`
`09:19.01`	`Shadowed`	`It's typically better honor overall anyway.`
`09:22.56`	`wereHamster`	`when I create my own UI compilation, should I name it 'Shag UI' or 'wereHamster UI' ?`
`09:23.09`	`Renyun`	`you know yer a coding geek....when you fix other ppl's code for the hell of it ;)`
`09:23.49`	`Renyun`	`hmm....Shage UI by wereHamster?`
`09:23.52`	`Renyun`	`(Shag`
`09:23.57`	`Renyun`	`>.<`
`09:25.02`	`Shadowed`	`naw`
`09:25.14`	`Shadowed`	`you know you're a coding geek when you redo other peoples code for the hell of it :p`
`09:25.28`	`Renyun`	`lol`
`09:25.36`	`kergoth`	`pfft, thats weak geekery, it gets worse than that, trust me`
`09:25.36`	`Shadowed`	`"Oh I can change this to be better", 3 hours later it's a different addon`
`09:25.37`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`09:25.50`	`krka\|work`	`agreed`
`09:25.52`	`Shadowed`	`it's 2:30 AM, if you want worst you'll have to wait till 12 PM :p`
`09:26.39`	`Renyun`	`yah, i'm too lazy to change this series of if statements to if..elseif :P`
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`09:34.54`	`Mikk`	`wereHamster: Gaffa Tape`
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`09:38.27`	`Mikk`	`GaffaBall?`
`09:38.33`	`Mikk`	`GaffaBundle?`
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`09:42.03`	`wereHamster`	`why Gaffa?`
`09:42.14`	`Mikk`	`hehe`
`09:42.31`	`Mikk`	`"Are female hamsters friendlier than male hamsters?"`
`09:42.37`	`Mikk`	`"Depends on if you have gaffa tape or not"`
`09:43.05`	`Renyun`	`http://www.bmusic.com.au/category540_1.htm`
`09:43.14`	`wereHamster`	`still don't know what's gaffa :(`
`09:43.39`	`Renyun`	`"The industry standard that all others are compared to. Preferred by most professionals and sticks to most clean surfaces including carpet. Leaves no residue behind. Has a proven reputation for reliability under the most difficult conditions."`
`09:44.18`	`Mikk`	`wait.. i need to google this. i just don't want to say it myself in channel >:<`
`09:44.43`	`Renyun`	`http://www.googlism.com/what_is/g/gaffa/`
`09:45.28`	`Renyun`	`http://www.white-man-killer.com/kate/faqs/faq_1.1.html`
`09:47.38`	`Mikk`	`wereHamster: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Duct+Tape+Trick`
`09:47.46`	`Mikk`	`The one that isn't about rednecks`
`09:47.47`	`Renyun`	`lol`
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`09:49.22`	`Mikk`	`you will also find many interesting references googling for "hamster" and "gaffa". most of them quite veiled though =)`
`09:50.10`	`Mikk`	`and i'll remind you that you brought this on yourself by mentioning shag and hamster in the same sentence :P`
`09:50.42`	`Renyun`	`lol`
`09:51.05`	`wereHamster`	`what's wrong with my player's name 'Shag' ?`
`09:51.17`	`Mikk`	`ack`
`09:51.31`	`Mikk`	`you really do not know what Shag means to britons?`
`09:51.45`	`Kirov`	`It's a type of carpet!`
`09:51.45`	`wereHamster`	`I know..`
`09:51.59`	`Mikk`	`Kirov: aye, precisely =)`
`09:52.17`	`wereHamster`	`but what's wrong with it? Johnny Depp's name isn't any better to germans`
`09:52.17`	`Mikk`	`or at least there might be a rug involved`
`09:52.28`	`Mikk`	`~slap Mikk`
`09:52.30`	`purl`	`ACTION slaps Mikk, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
`09:52.43`	`Mikk`	`God. I've been awake too long.`
`09:53.18`	`Mikk`	`wereHamster: Nono. It's fine. It just becomes irresistable when mentioned along with hamsters =)`
`09:53.25`	`Mikk`	`At least to tired Mikks`
`09:54.38`	`wereHamster`	`what abount mentioning 'Shag' along with 'Sheep' ?`
`09:55.00`	`Mikk`	`Depends on if there's any welsh around`
`09:55.32`	`Mikk`	`Gawd. I'll just go look for my pillow before I start pasting goatse and tubgirl links... this is deteriorating rapidly >.<`
`09:55.34`	`wereHamster`	`'wereHamster's shag (UI)"`
`09:58.07`	`Kirov`	`what would it do though`
`09:58.16`	`Kirov`	`be the anti-move everything?`
`09:58.28`	`Kirov`	`It just stucks everything together in the middle of the screen?`
`09:58.52`	`Mikk`	`nah.. just the glue that holds everything together`
`09:59.01`	`Mikk`	`perhaps something to turn bits and pieces of the compilation off`
`09:59.03`	`Kirov`	`Ace3!`
`09:59.12`	`Mikk`	`omg!`
`09:59.45`	`Kirov`	`Ace2 should be called AceDuce anyways`
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`10:04.32`	`Mikk`	`OOOOO i'm getting ideas`
`10:04.36`	`kergoth`	`uh oh`
`10:04.48`	`Mikk`	`I mentioned implementing in-game paintball earlier`
`10:04.54`	`Mikk`	`I solved a couple of problems`
`10:05.20`	`Mikk`	`Mainly having to do handling terrain (you shouldn't be able to shoot people you can't see)`
`10:05.45`	`Mikk`	`Just have the addon disable TargetUnit() and TargetByName() while playing`
`10:05.55`	`Mikk`	`You shoot by selecting a player from the world`
`10:06.15`	`Mikk`	`Obviously have to face the same direction and take movement into account etc`
`10:06.26`	`Mikk`	`I also realized you could put stuff like powerups on the ground =)`
`10:06.34`	`Renyun`	`yah, but you could still have someone targeted, have them hide behind terrain and then shoot 'em through it :P`
`10:06.39`	`Mikk`	`No`
`10:06.42`	`Kirov`	`....`
`10:06.45`	`Mikk`	`The mod would de-target as soon as it shoots`
`10:07.05`	`Renyun`	`sure, but who said i'd have to shoot right away? :P`
`10:07.12`	`Mikk`	`You shoot by selecting`
`10:07.15`	`Mikk`	`Not optional`
`10:07.20`	`Renyun`	`ah`
`10:08.03`	`Mikk`	`Heck, you could even set up tournaments in areas with hostile mobs =)`
`10:08.16`	`Renyun`	`lol`
`10:08.18`	`Mikk`	`Can't fire while you're in combat or something like that ;)`
`10:08.40`	`Mikk`	`I need to work out the 3d mappings =)`
`10:10.58`	`Renyun`	`so yer seriously trying to create this mod?`
`10:11.06`	`Mikk`	`dunno yet =)`
`10:11.51`	`Renyun`	`it would be interesting if it's possible, that's for sure`
`10:12.10`	`Kirov`	`well, you can use my compass func to know the player's actual rotation`
`10:12.17`	`Mikk`	`yep`
`10:12.24`	`Kirov`	`and movement isn't hard`
`10:12.38`	`Kirov`	`still not sure how you're going to go about terrain`
`10:12.48`	`Mikk`	`which part of terrain?`
`10:12.57`	`Kirov`	`shooting through it`
`10:13.03`	`Mikk`	`you won't be able to`
`10:13.08`	`Mikk`	`can't select the player if you can't see hijm`
`10:13.18`	`Kirov`	`through terrain you can`
`10:13.49`	`Renyun`	`yah, that's a good point...i think you can select 'em....i'm pretty sure i've done it through walls`
`10:14.02`	`Mikk`	`HAHAHAHAHAHA`
`10:14.02`	`Kirov`	`all terrain, most walls`
`10:14.15`	`Kirov`	`tooltip pops up and everything`
`10:14.20`	`Mikk`	`[4. LookingForGroup] [Klyde] looking for a peroson that could tell me where the corpse of makirk wifes is please`
`10:14.35`	`Mikk`	`Blizzard needs to remove that quest`
`10:15.06`	`Mikk`	`Hmmm.. So, need to disable tooltips then.`
`10:15.35`	`Renyun`	`well, you'd also need to disable the cursor change when hovering over a target`
`10:15.47`	`Mikk`	`no such change for friendlies`
`10:16.13`	`Renyun`	`hey, is there a chat shortcut simillar to %T for a target's class?`
`10:16.57`	`Mikk`	`there's mods that install such shortcuts`
`10:16.58`	`Kirov`	`not by default, no`
`10:17.45`	`Renyun`	`yah, that's what i thought....i remember seeing screenshots of early beta that had a more of those shortcuts, but they've been removed`
`10:18.01`	`Renyun`	`what about using UnitClass("target")?`
`10:18.28`	`Kirov`	`works`
`10:18.54`	`Kirov`	`the returns on mobs aren't terribly accurate though`
`10:19.04`	`Kirov`	`a lot of things are flagged as paladins`
`10:19.06`	`Kirov`	`heh`
`10:19.08`	`Renyun`	`lol`
`10:19.43`	`Mikk`	`Basically any mob with mana that isn't pronouncedly a specific class is a paladin`
`10:19.55`	`Renyun`	`nice =/`
`10:20.03`	`Mikk`	`Heck, even some mobs that obviously should be something else are paladins`
`10:20.05`	`zenzelezz`	`every NPC in Ironforge seems to be a warrior`
`10:20.16`	`Mikk`	`yeah that's the default for non mana users`
`10:20.20`	`Kirov`	`Most npcs are warriors`
`10:20.47`	`wereHamster`	`yay for all warriors :)`
`10:30.11`	`Mikk`	`wow. i had no idea map positions were so ridiculously accurate`
`10:30.55`	`wereHamster`	`how accurate?`
`10:31.36`	`Mikk`	`down to "set character to walk, and lightly tap 'forward' and it'll change"`
`10:31.52`	`Renyun`	`yah, the return values go out to like 10 digits or something insane`
`10:32.19`	`wereHamster`	`the full lua number precision?`
`10:32.25`	`Mikk`	`yeah`
`10:32.26`	`Renyun`	`prolly`
`10:33.49`	`Renyun`	`does the same thing for uiScale and every other setting....the ui shows it at 0.64, but the it's really 0.63999998569489 on my system`
`10:34.09`	`Mikk`	`that's just a rounding error`
`10:34.28`	`kergoth`	`its the nature of floating point. 0.64 probably isnt representable with a double`
`10:34.31`	`kergoth`	`afaik`
`10:34.50`	`Mikk`	`hm. it is.`
`10:34.50`	`Renyun`	`why shouldn't it be?`
`10:35.11`	`Renyun`	`i think it's due to the slider`
`10:35.52`	`kergoth`	`there are many numbers which cannot be represented exactly, its just how it works. but i'm sure you're right in this case ;)`
`10:36.17`	`Renyun`	`pi is an example, but this isn't pi =D`
`10:36.48`	`Mikk`	`Floating point numbers are a number of bits worth of value, and then a number of bits describing the shift up and down`
`10:37.27`	`Mikk`	`So if you're trying to describe something that doesn't translate very well to binary, you get rounding funkyness`
`10:37.28`	`Renyun`	`yah, i'm pretty sure that if i change it to 0.64 in config.wtf and don't touch the slider, it'll remain 0.64`
`10:38.54`	`Renyun`	`has anyone had problems with the new fangled bag scaling at the bank?`
`10:39.14`	`Kirov`	`noop`
`10:40.20`	`Renyun`	`on my system, it scales and resets them....sometimes it scales 'em when all bags are open...then i close a bag and it resets, then i close another bag and it scales again =/`
`10:40.22`	`kergoth`	`Mikk: i especially love it when you get a number where adding one to it doesnt result in a bigger number`
`10:40.25`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`10:40.39`	`Mikk`	`Ugh bleh yes`
`10:41.02`	`Renyun`	`so i just disabled the shit, i don't need it anyway as i'm playing on a 19" with uiScale set to 0.64`
`10:42.46`	`Kirov`	`UIParent:SetScale(0.2) is the ultimate scale`
`10:43.06`	`Kirov`	`Makese me feel like I'm playing on an IMAX theatre`
`10:44.00`	`Renyun`	`lol`
`10:44.35`	`Renyun`	`i'm disappointed that blizz didn't give us a way to disable bag scaling in the UI`
`10:50.27`	`zenzelezz`	`I assume that would be a bit of extra work; having to take into consideration what you're working with all the time before performing (or not performing) scaling`
`10:51.04`	`Renyun`	`true, but they could've wrapped the code in a flag and expose the flag in the interface options frame`
`10:52.02`	`Renyun`	`my fix was to change the global that determines the amount of scaling, so that it always results in a scaling of 1 =D`
`10:52.40`	`zenzelezz`	`don't think I've ever used UI scale myself`
`10:53.08`	`wereHamster`	`whats the character '\32' ?`
`10:53.12`	`zenzelezz`	`space?`
`10:53.15`	`Renyun`	`i run the game at 1280x1024 on a 19" monitor, i find ui scaling necessary, cause the crap is just too large that way`
`10:53.22`	`Renyun`	`nah, space should be \20`
`10:53.25`	`Renyun`	`i think`
`10:53.40`	`zenzelezz`	`alt+032 in WoW/Windows = space anyway`
`10:53.40`	`kergoth`	`i scale mine to 0.84 or something, running at 1680x1050 on a 20" widescreen`
`10:53.44`	`zenzelezz`	`decimal 32 that is`
`10:53.53`	`kergoth`	`then scale individual frames down further here and there`
`10:54.25`	`wereHamster`	`CHAT_WHISPER_GET = "%s whispers:\32"; -- Whisper from player %s`
`10:54.29`	`Renyun`	`yah, decimal 32 should be a space...i'm thinking of the HTML encoding, which uses hex`
`10:54.48`	`wereHamster`	`why not simply use the space?`
`10:54.50`	`Renyun`	`http://www.lookuptables.com/`
`10:55.16`	`Renyun`	`'cause, having a space in some places may cause other problems with interpreting what's around it?`
`10:55.39`	`Mikk`	`I'll assume that they write those strings in an editor that trims strings`
`10:55.50`	`Mikk`	`That editor creates the lua`
`10:56.43`	`Mikk`	`Especially given the comment at the top of the file`
`10:57.25`	`Mikk`	`(The reason for a separate editor would be for translation; giving outsider translators access to a little web app is harmless and user friendly)`
`10:57.55`	`Mikk`	`Also becomes easy to track what's missing etc`
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`11:17.37`	`Renyun`	`does anyone have a list of all the possible cvars?`
`11:17.42`	`Mikk`	`yes`
`11:17.52`	`Renyun`	`oooh, do share :P`
`11:18.26`	`Mikk`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Config.wtf_defaults`
`11:18.48`	`chuckg`	`wtb "screenshot compression" option ala Mac.`
`11:18.49`	`chuckg`	`:\|`
`11:18.58`	`Mikk`	`Renyun: Not necessarily complete`
`11:19.11`	`Mikk`	`Just a compilation of everything that I + some others have seen`
`11:19.14`	`Renyun`	`nope it's not, though a good resource all the same`
`11:19.56`	`Mikk`	`feel free to add in stuff you know`
`11:20.08`	`Mikk`	`leave out values if you don't know the default and cba to call GetCVarDefault() for it =)`
`11:20.30`	`Renyun`	`i need blizz to differentiate between friendly NPCs and hostile NPCs in the UnitName stuff...or better yet, add one specficially for friendly pets =/`
`11:21.12`	`Renyun`	`ok, will do...I know there are a few more UniteName... cvars in there, cause I use 'em in one of my addons`
`11:24.11`	`Renyun`	`blizz needs to add UnitNamePlayerPetName`
`11:26.02`	`Mikk`	`hunh?`
`11:26.06`	`Mikk`	`which one is that? =)`
`11:26.14`	`Mikk`	`UnitName("playerpet") or the other way around?`
`11:26.49`	`Renyun`	`it doesn't exist, AFAIK....`
`11:27.14`	`Renyun`	`I'd like to be able to turn off player's pet names, w/o turning off NPC names`
`11:28.08`	`Renyun`	`'cuase when I raid, I like to turn off player names, but keep NPC names on`
`11:28.13`	`Mikk`	`ahh. cvar.`
`11:28.24`	`Renyun`	`currently, i have to deal w/ pet names remaining`
`11:28.47`	`Mikk`	`yeah. pets are NPCs in most aspects.`
`11:29.18`	`Renyun`	`yup, which makes sense...i just need seperate control for pet names`
`11:29.49`	`Renyun`	`it's not a big deal when raiding for the most part, there aren't usually that many pets out on raids`
`11:32.14`	`Mikk`	`hehe`
`11:32.22`	`Mikk`	`ours tend to have everything out`
`11:32.27`	`Mikk`	`including gnomish battle chickens`
`11:32.34`	`Mikk`	`everything to fight the boredom =)`
`11:32.35`	`Renyun`	`lol`
`11:33.01`	`Kaso`	`Mikk wasnt it you that did that addon to target by RaidIcon or am i mixed up ?`
`11:33.08`	`Mikk`	`not me`
`11:33.13`	`Mikk`	`you're thinking of PaintBall?`
`11:33.53`	`Kaso`	`i dont remeber its name`
`11:34.15`	`Kaso`	`im trying to something similar in my addon but its being crazy`
`11:34.48`	`Kaso`	`Oh it was Wobin`
`11:35.55`	`Renyun`	`phew, finally figured out my password on wowwiki lol`
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`11:40.48`	`Kaso`	`ok, take a lookie at this : http://wow.pastecode.com/1738 I'm using that on each RAID_TARGET_UPDATE to get a unitid for the raid targetted mob. i'm in a raid, with 1 other person, im raid2, so when i just set the star, it reports that the other person has the circle targgeted even though he's offline and i havent set circle.`
`11:42.48`	`Kaso`	`Hey Wobin! perfect maybe you can help`
`11:42.59`	`Wobin`	`blinky`
`11:43.06`	`Kaso`	`you wrote painball didnt you`
`11:43.09`	`Wobin`	`yep`
`11:43.32`	`Kaso`	`im doing raidtarget targetting as part of my addon but im getting some false reports`
`11:44.23`	`Wobin`	`There's a lag between the actual setting and reporting of the set icon, btw`
`11:45.07`	`Kaso`	`hmm, i'll bear that in mind, but it doesnt change that i GetRaidTargetIndex is telling me an offline person is targgeting a un-set raid target ^_-`
`11:46.38`	`Wobin`	`Not sure`
`11:47.43`	`Mikk`	`grmbl. i used to know the matrix multiplications by heart...`
`11:47.45`	`Wobin`	`odd that it'd return 2 randomly`
`11:48.00`	`Wobin`	`what if you set the circle, does it report the diamond?`
`11:49.08`	`Kaso`	`it does the same thing in reverse`
`11:49.40`	`Kaso`	`so its reporting the circle as my target correctly, but then saying circle is raid1target`
`11:49.49`	`Kaso`	`lemme play with skull and stuff`
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`11:51.01`	`Mikk`	`Kaso: ummm... exactly what are you passing to GetRaidTargetIndex?`
`11:51.04`	`Renyun`	`lol mikk, i think i almost failed my linear algebra class`
`11:51.28`	`Mikk`	`oh i never took the math classes to learn 3d math`
`11:51.33`	`Kaso`	`pretty much http://wow.pastecode.com/1738`
`11:51.47`	`Renyun`	`i didn't either, i hadda 'cause i was an engineering major`
`11:52.51`	`Wobin`	`oh wait`
`11:53.02`	`Mikk`	`Kaso: i think you might want to check that raidNtarget is something sane first`
`11:53.02`	`Wobin`	`oh no, that's fine`
`11:53.12`	`Mikk`	`That offline player isn't targetting anything`
`11:53.44`	`Mikk`	`e.g. text UnitExists("raid"..i.."target) and ....`
`11:53.49`	`Mikk`	`s/text/test/`
`11:54.12`	`Kaso`	`oh`
`11:54.16`	`Kaso`	`yes i see`
`11:54.36`	`Mikk`	`In a bug free world, GetRaidTargetIndex() would test that itself and do the right thing but .... =)`
`11:55.43`	`Kaso`	`ah ha!`
`11:55.48`	`Mikk`	`Hmm same thing for "raid"..i.."pet" i suppose`
`11:55.54`	`Renyun`	`yah, in a perfect world, blizz would have given us a toggle for bag scaling from the start ;)`
`11:56.00`	`Kaso`	`yeh i added unit exists checks and its working fine`
`11:56.16`	`Kaso`	`thats a rather odd bug.`
`11:56.20`	`Mikk`	`rather yes =)`
`11:57.19`	`Kaso`	`gah this addon would be like a zillion times easier if we could TargetUnit("raidicon1") :<`
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`12:12.09`	`Mikk`	`Wobin: Hooking every damn function that the addon has would let you tell mem usage of individual addons`
`12:12.40`	`Wobin`	`...true...`
`12:12.47`	`Renyun`	`that would be soooo painful`
`12:13.11`	`Renyun`	`it'd be better if blizz added something`
`12:13.17`	`Mikk`	`They can't do anything`
`12:13.29`	`Renyun`	`why not?`
`12:13.29`	`Mikk`	`Nothing we can't already do anyway`
`12:13.34`	`Mikk`	`Addons live in shared memory space`
`12:13.36`	`Mikk`	`It's just more lua code`
`12:14.58`	`Renyun`	`yah, but wouldn't be easier for them to hook into every function, seeing as they have control over the lua implementation?`
`12:15.10`	`Renyun`	`and make it good old C, so it's more efficient`
`12:15.33`	`Mikk`	`mmmyeah`
`12:15.56`	`Mikk`	`It'd be easier for them to find script handlers and functions declared inside tables`
`12:16.23`	`Renyun`	`is there a generic way to do it in lua? i.e. w/o knowing the all the fuctions?`
`12:16.29`	`Mikk`	`nope`
`12:17.16`	`Mikk`	`Though actually, there's only so many ways that addons start executing code`
`12:17.20`	`Mikk`	`Script handlers`
`12:17.25`	`Mikk`	`And hooking global functions`
`12:17.37`	`kergoth`	`you can estimate, surprisingly accurately, knowing how lua does its table resizing and such, at least of data. only functions and userdata cannot have their ram usage estimated`
`12:17.46`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`12:18.02`	`Renyun`	`only functions and userdata, huh?`
`12:18.03`	`Mikk`	`kergoth: yeah but then you need to know what tables to look at`
`12:18.24`	`Mikk`	`which is even hairer`
`12:18.48`	`kergoth`	`obviously anything directly or indirectly in the global environment is easily done. without the debug.* functions, you cant determine what upvalues are referenced by all the functions, so things can still be hidden`
`12:19.44`	`Mikk`	`hrms... i remember seeing an addon that does this or something much like it`
`12:19.52`	`Mikk`	`hooks functions and stats stuff`
`12:20.11`	`kergoth`	`klh performance monitor looks like it does that`
`12:20.19`	`kergoth`	`seems useful`
`12:20.24`	`kergoth`	`there have been others`
`12:23.24`	`Renyun`	`lol "If you use a download manager, it may ask you for a login and password for the download. Your login for this download is and the password is ."`
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`12:33.35`	`JoshBorke`	`morning`
`12:35.50`	`Renyun`	`'morning`
`12:35.58`	`Renyun`	`wow....13970 frames =/`
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`13:00.19`	`Renyun`	`hey, does anyone know if the quest tracker is anchored to the minimap, by default?`
`13:21.15`	`Elkano`	`yes, it is -> http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/live/FrameXML/QuestLogFrame.xml`
`13:21.22`	`Elkano`	`#`
`13:21.22`	`Elkano`	`<Anchor point="TOPRIGHT" relativeTo="MinimapCluster" relativePoint="BOTTOMRIGHT">`
`13:22.57`	`Renyun`	`hmmm....so i guess CTMod must be changing the anchor...apparently, they've broken something in the latest version, 'cause some ppl can't move their quest tracker using ctmod anymore =/`
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`14:28.31`	`Kaso`	`frigging noobs killing the mob in testing my addon with -_-`
`14:28.55`	`Renyun`	`lol`
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`14:30.38`	`Triadian`	`hi all - mind i ask a Q ?`
`14:30.54`	`Triadian`	`is it possible to get the pixel length of a word ?`
`14:32.34`	`Kaso`	`Woah wtf, if you MC a mob then ReloadUI when you re-enter you're still controlling the mob but your viewpoint is centered on yourself`
`14:32.48`	`Elkano`	`iirc yes it is`
`14:33.07`	`Triadian`	`hiya - Elkano - any pointers ?`
`14:34.23`	`Elkano`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_FontString_GetStringWidth`
`14:34.29`	`Triadian`	`ty`
`14:34.42`	`Elkano`	`nvm :)`
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`15:46.51`	`Kaso`	`Does anyone happen to know what event would be called by a MCed mob performing taunt on another mob, its for razuous obveously.`
`15:47.26`	`Kaso`	`I think it might be CHAT_MSG_SPELL_SELF_DAMAGE because that's the message when you fire taunt, and other events from MCed mobs seem to use the SELF events.`
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`15:56.54`	`Rallion`	`is there a way to get rid of frames created with CreateFrame?`
`15:57.34`	`End`	`no`
`15:57.41`	`End`	`well`
`15:57.43`	`End`	`they don't go away`
`15:58.11`	`Rallion`	`okay`
`15:58.57`	`Mikma`	`Rallion: /rl will make them go away ;D`
`15:59.08`	`Rallion`	`lol thanks`
`15:59.52`	`Rallion`	`I don't really have a very compelling reason to want them to anyway`
`16:00.35`	`Mikma`	`well /rl really is propably the only way to get rid of frames created with ie. tinypad, but if it's a script which does the frames then it's a different thing`
`16:01.01`	`Mikma`	`if you're making some addon and are testing on creating frames and got a whole screen full of crappy frames, /rl ..`
`16:01.25`	`Rallion`	`it's just a memory efficiency thing, getting rid of frames that are no longer needed`
`16:02.02`	`Rallion`	`but it's a TINY savings, and in a case that'll rarely happen anyway, people don't replace bigger bags with smaller ones`
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`16:48.46`	`cogwheel`	`Well, turns out messing around with Lua has paid off for my work... I never had a chance to learn Perl, PHP, etc. so I just got CGILua and am using that for our signup script :)`
`16:50.55`	`Rallion`	`heh if you know Lua you can learn PHP pretty quick...fairly similar`
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`17:03.59`	`Industrial`	`http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/Denrace/bounty.jpg`
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`17:27.43`	`Osagasu`	`So.`
`17:27.51`	`Osagasu`	`Can I kill Blizzard yet?`
`17:28.01`	`Kirov`	`Depends`
`17:28.08`	`Kaso`	`I think thats a justfiably desctition`
`17:28.25`	`Kirov`	`Got a couple billion in venture capiltal you can use to buy blizzard with?`
`17:37.20`	`Industrial`	`lemme check`
`17:37.23`	`Industrial`	`na.`
`17:39.40`	`Beladona`	`anyone else notice that the Blizzard_CombatText shows in the addon list?`
`17:41.48`	`End_`	`doh!`
`17:41.51`	`End_`	`I'm connected twice`
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`17:42.52`	`End`	`whoops, closed both though :P`
`17:43.00`	`Kirov`	`lol`
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`17:49.13`	`Osagasu`	`Kirov: Draenei Shamand and Blood Elf Paladins.`
`17:49.17`	`Osagasu`	`*Shamans`
`17:49.39`	`Kirov`	`...`
`17:49.44`	`Mikma`	`anyone remembers the command for purl mikk said yesterday?`
`17:49.44`	`Kirov`	`seriously?`
`17:49.56`	`Mikma`	`.. something to do with eiffel tower ;)`
`17:50.05`	`Kirov`	`Even after all the pictures of Draenei paladins?`
`17:50.48`	`Mikma`	`Kirov: yeah but the new races will have them both`
`17:51.51`	`Kirov`	`o`
`17:51.58`	`Kirov`	`where was this posted?`
`17:52.45`	`Mikma`	`<1948> <vhaarr> http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=1141585`
`17:52.48`	`Mikma`	`<1948> <Slayman> http://www.wow-europe.com/en/burningcrusade/townhall/classcombo.html`
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`18:15.17`	`End`	`what the hell`
`18:15.46`	`Mikma`	`yeap`
`18:15.50`	`Mikma`	`the hell`
`18:15.53`	`End`	`I thought blizzard -very- specifically said that shaman and paladins would never be able to be played on the same faction`
`18:16.10`	`Mikma`	`they lied. what's new then?`
`18:17.06`	`End`	`this is a pretty significant blurring of the two facts :O`
`18:17.12`	`End`	`s/facts/factions/`
`18:17.47`	`Kirov`	`One issue is ... who will ever want to take shamans now?`
`18:17.56`	`End`	`for raiding?`
`18:17.58`	`End`	`nobody`
`18:18.00`	`Kirov`	`aye`
`18:18.01`	`End`	`well`
`18:18.18`	`End`	`yeah, nobody`
`18:18.27`	`Kirov`	`Not to mention all the shaman loot will now be dropping in the raid instances`
`18:18.48`	`End`	`well`
`18:18.50`	`Kirov`	`Likely with equal drop % as other class gear`
`18:19.12`	`Kirov`	`meaning it's another thing to get de'd`
`18:19.47`	`End`	`I think there will be less concern about the current raid instances`
`18:20.00`	`End`	`I'm more curious on how the level 70 instances will handle it`
`18:21.25`	`Cairenn`	`hey! it's a Rislyn post!`
`18:21.29`	`Osagasu`	`The thing is that now Blizzard will be able to balance instances to include Shamans and Paladins.`
`18:21.34`	`Cairenn`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=418680&s=new&tmp=1#new`
`18:22.13`	`Kirov`	`End - likely the same way Naxx does`
`18:22.41`	`Kirov`	`Class specific loot be damned, class range specific items as part of a quest`
`18:22.49`	`Mikma`	`Cairenn: who is he? :)`
`18:22.50`	`Kirov`	`eq style`
`18:22.54`	`Cairenn`	`she`
`18:23.04`	`Cairenn`	`and she's the newest member of the UI team`
`18:23.10`	`Mikma`	`oh cool!`
`18:23.30`	`Cairenn`	`she's been around for a little while now, but almost never posts`
`18:23.42`	`Mikma`	`blizz needs a women's touch in wow`
`18:24.24`	`Cairenn`	`her avatar was a very obvious choice, we just convinced them of it`
`18:24.40`	`Kirov`	`pirate / ninja`
`18:24.45`	`Cairenn`	`you got it`
`18:25.18`	`Thrae`	`I don't see the point of Class-specific loot. A Feral Druid can benefit from a lot of Class:Rogue gear, a Paladin can benefit from Warrior gear, a Hunter can benefit from Shaman gear, etc.`
`18:25.38`	`Thrae`	`It's up to your raid to determine who can roll on what anyway.`
`18:26.33`	`End`	`well, even a warrior isn't going to want just tanking gear`
`18:26.49`	`End`	`not all your warriors can main tank -all- the time for every fight`
`18:28.31`	`wereHamster`	`who's Rislyn? I've never heard of him`
`18:28.56`	`End`	`her!`
`18:29.09`	`End`	`she does UI stuff`
`18:29.44`	`End`	`although, I don't know much about her either, unlike slouken (who is already involved in sdl)`
`18:29.58`	`Cairenn`	`"already involved in"?`
`18:30.05`	`End`	`lol`
`18:30.09`	`wereHamster`	`oh.. the new developer who joined blizzard not too long ago?`
`18:30.16`	`Cairenn`	`wereHamster: indeed`
`18:30.20`	`wereHamster`	`and did she write the sample addon?`
`18:30.26`	`End`	`I think so yeah`
`18:30.32`	`wereHamster`	`I remember..`
`18:30.37`	`Cairenn`	`End: he isn't "involved in" SDL, he frigging invented it`
`18:30.43`	`End`	`Cairenn: yeah, I know :P`
`18:31.01`	`Cairenn`	`wereHamster: yes`
`18:31.10`	`Kirov`	`Cairenn - minor detaul`
`18:31.14`	`wereHamster`	`too bad slouken can't? port WoW to linux using his own library :(`
`18:31.20`	`Kirov`	`s/detaul/detail/`
`18:31.49`	`End`	`although, while I don't think I even knew his name before I started playing WoW, I used sdl before (written stuff for it even) and had even played his maelstrom game`
`18:33.12`	`End`	`rumor has it there was a linux client planned during beta, but they scrapped it`
`18:33.15`	`End`	`but that's just rumor`
`18:36.30`	`wereHamster`	`there was one`
`18:37.03`	`wereHamster`	`one of the beta versions has a 'Linux' folder wih some linux executables and libs`
`18:37.17`	`End`	`ah`
`18:38.05`	`Kirov`	`There's also an API function to return the current OS, one of the returns is linux`
`18:38.14`	`End`	`yeah`
`18:38.16`	`wereHamster`	`IsLinuxClient :)`
`18:38.18`	`End`	`IsLinuxClient`
`18:38.19`	`End`	`doh`
`18:38.24`	`End`	`too slow :(`
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`18:42.54`	`Tain`	`I was a little confused by the, IsAppleIIeClient() function though.`
`18:45.32`	`Beladona`	`imagine my surprise at IsAbacusClient`
`18:45.34`	`Beladona`	`oh`
`18:45.51`	`Tain`	`Makes combat very hectic.`
`18:46.02`	`Tain`	`Loud and clicky.`
`18:46.18`	`Thrae`	`OK, how do I properly remove a line from GameTooltip after SetX is called? I tried GameTooltipTextLeftX:SetText(nil) GameTooltipTextLeftX:Hide()`
`18:47.26`	`Thrae`	`But this a) Doesn't fix NumLines() even after GameTooltip:Show() is called, and b) GameTooltip will sometimes reposition FontStrings in a weird way such that it messes up AddLine if I re-reposition it.`
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`19:07.59`	`End`	`uh oh, there is a threadjacker loose!`
`19:08.11`	`Cairenn`	`grin`
`19:14.22`	`wereHamster`	`who's Sedge?`
`19:14.34`	`Cairenn`	`I'm betting it's End`
`19:20.18`	`End`	`that'd be a good bet`
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`19:20.58`	`wereHamster`	`does anyone here already have Windows Vista?`
`19:25.11`	`Industrial`	`wereHamster, memememe`
`19:25.26`	`Industrial`	`but its network connectivity is CRAP`
`19:25.26`	`Industrial`	`from what I tried`
`19:25.40`	`Industrial`	`put it on my laptop, didnt play with it much`
`19:25.46`	`Industrial`	`looked nice thats all - its windows after all`
`19:29.46`	`Industrial`	`Is there anyone that knows a free shell service with support for screen and irssi (ipv4) ?`
`19:32.40`	`wereHamster`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:33.39`	`Industrial`	`didnt try :(`
`19:33.42`	`Industrial`	`prolly wont`
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`19:46.47`	ag`	`why shouldn't it`
`19:46.51`	ag`	`if you have drivers for it`
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`19:54.32`	`wereHamster`	`because of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASLR`
`19:58.07`	`dao_at_work`	`lol, that's the same idea behind random hash return order perturbation.`
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`20:07.50`	`wereHamster`	`is it possible to disable the whispers in CTRA BossWarnings?`
`20:12.47`	`End`	`I think so`
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`20:15.48`	`Qzot`	`Heyo.`
`20:18.12`	`wereHamster`	`morning`
`20:22.07`	`Cairenn`	`hi Qzot`
`20:22.26`	`Cairenn`	`I'm at home if you want to call`
`20:30.44`	`Cide`	`wereAnubisath: yes`
`20:30.56`	`Cide`	`all mods that send whispers have a dropdown option to send/not send`
`20:37.23`	`wereAnubisath`	`I just got 6 whispers at the Anubisath Defenders just before the twins -.-`
`20:45.30`	`Beladona`	`opinions: on the function listing on wdn. Do you guys prefer the layout that wowwiki has, with the table of contents in a bar on the right, and the full list, so you can use search?`
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`21:20.10`	`Qzot`	`g`
`21:26.10`	`Industrial`	`x`
`21:41.12`	`wereAnubisath`	`p`
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`21:45.10`	`Qzot`	`Cairenn: Sorry, was afk for a bit there.`
`21:48.53`	`Cairenn`	`not allowed`
`21:48.59`	`End`	`lies`
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`22:11.25`	`clad\|afk`	`Anyone around and wow-login-able?`
`22:11.34`	`clad\|afk`	`Do you want to be a part of history!`
`22:11.46`	`dao_at_work`	`que?`
`22:12.08`	`clad\|afk`	`i need someone to login to Kael'thas, horde, orc or troll =)`
`22:12.12`	`clad\|afk`	`and sign my charter`
`22:12.14`	`clad\|afk`	`=)`
`22:12.26`	`dao_at_work`	`sorry, at work!`
`22:12.31`	`clad\|afk`	`cry`
`22:12.40`	`Kirov`	`oy, not that again`
`22:13.51`	`clad\|afk`	`Kirov: O.o`
`22:14.00`	`clad\|afk`	`Kirov: I lost two signatures overnight, or i'd be done =(`
`22:14.59`	`Kirov`	`clad - not the guild charter thing`
`22:15.48`	`Qzot`	`clad, i can help.`
`22:15.52`	`Qzot`	`just a sec.`
`22:16.15`	`clad\|afk`	`Kirov: oh lol`
`22:16.17`	`clad\|afk`	`Qzot: :P`
`22:16.24`	`clad\|afk`	`Qzot: Just got the last sig`
`22:16.31`	`Cairenn`	`clad\|afk: po ... grrrrrr`
`22:16.38`	`Qzot`	`oh, great.`
`22:16.47`	`Cairenn`	`was going to say, point your charter at "temp", but nm, I'll just delete her`
`22:16.54`	`clad\|afk`	`oh =(`
`22:16.56`	`clad\|afk`	`wanna join`
`22:16.57`	`Qzot`	`you obviously don't want my signature, and you're just saying that to make me feel bad.`
`22:16.58`	`clad\|afk`	`stay a second :P`
`22:17.07`	`Kirov`	`~seen Renyun`
`22:17.13`	`purl`	`renyun is currently on #wowi-lounge, last said: 'lol'.`
`22:17.45`	`Cairenn`	`clad\|afk: lol, look at the name`
`22:17.51`	`clad\|afk`	`what name?`
`22:17.54`	`Cairenn`	`she wasn't going to be staying`
`22:17.56`	`clad\|afk`	`i'm in org atm =(`
`22:17.58`	`Cairenn`	`"temp"`
`22:17.58`	`clad\|afk`	`oh cmon`
`22:18.00`	`clad\|afk`	`it woulda been fun :P`
`22:18.03`	`clad\|afk`	`anyone else wanna join`
`22:18.06`	`clad\|afk`	`the BEST GUILD EVER!`
`22:18.17`	`Kirov`	`what's it called?`
`22:18.22`	`Qzot`	`"Yes, we're about having fun!"`
`22:18.35`	`Qzot`	`"We're going to be running ZG and MC real zoon now.!"`
`22:18.47`	`Qzot`	`"We're about helping each other and being friends."`
`22:18.55`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`22:19.05`	`Qzot`	`Am I cynical?`
`22:19.18`	`Cairenn`	`perhaps just a tad`
`22:19.24`	`Qzot`	`Lol.`
`22:19.48`	`clad\|afk`	`its called <Desperate Housewives>`
`22:19.54`	`End`	`sounds...desperate`
`22:19.56`	`clad\|afk`	`and exists so i'm not unguilded on this server :P`
`22:20.36`	`Kirov`	`I should make an alliance guild on that server called Desperate Househusbands`
`22:20.44`	`clad\|afk`	`nice`
`22:20.45`	`Hexarobi`	`my guild was <Glittering Prizes>`
`22:20.46`	`clad\|afk`	`you should`
`22:21.26`	`End`	`how about <Sally Shears>?`
`22:22.59`	`Qzot`	`"Qzot" was a gnome lock on an RP server, who considered himself a ladies' man, but was actually quite inept. Told guildies about his harem for months, and asked new female guildies if they wanted to join. And then one day, the guild <Qzots Harem> appeared on the server, with loads of women.`
`22:23.44`	`Cairenn`	`hey Q? can I have some of whatever it is you are smoking? must be some pretty good stuff ...`
`22:23.49`	`Qzot`	`Sorry, guys, but us old codgers are entitled to re-tell our fish tales. It's in the bylaws.`
`22:24.44`	`Cairenn`	`hey clad\|afk?`
`22:24.52`	`clad\|afk`	`Cairenn: Hey Cairenn?`
`22:24.53`	`Cairenn`	`would you please tell Qzot I don't have an accent`
`22:24.59`	`Cairenn`	`he says I do`
`22:25.04`	`clad\|afk`	`not in the least`
`22:25.15`	`Cairenn`	`see? see?! told you I don't :p`
`22:25.43`	`Qzot`	`Okay. If clad says it's true, it must by true. I admit defeat. -.-`
`22:25.47`	`Hexarobi`	`all eskimos have accents`
`22:25.52`	`clad\|afk`	`so true.`
`22:25.53`	`Cairenn`	`;)`
`22:25.58`	`Qzot`	`*eskimeaux`
`22:26.13`	`clad\|afk`	`i'm missing Mendeleev`
`22:26.15`	`clad\|afk`	`that's what i'm missing.`
`22:26.23`	`End`	`can't crack up too much, or co-workers will think me strange`
`22:26.39`	`Cairenn`	`I am not an Inuit, and calling them Eskimos is very insulting, in case you weren't aware`
`22:27.09`	`Cairenn`	`so stick that in your peace pipe and smoke it :p`
`22:27.16`	`Hexarobi`	`since when is Eskimo an insult??`
`22:27.19`	`Qzot`	`And I'm not a chinese farmer, but I've now been accused of such on two different servers. Grr.`
`22:27.24`	`Hexarobi`	`animaniacs didnt teach me that`
`22:27.24`	`Cairenn`	`since forever`
`22:27.24`	`clad\|afk`	`I have 1200 [Horde Commendation Signet]`
`22:28.07`	`Qzot`	`clad: Can you link that again? I can't seem to click on it.`
`22:28.17`	`clad\|afk`	`[Horde Commendation Signet]`
`22:28.21`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`22:28.22`	`clad\|afk`	`Qzot: Are you using any UI's`
`22:28.36`	`Qzot`	`Several, atm.`
`22:28.43`	`clad\|afk`	`delete your INterface and WTF folders.`
`22:28.51`	`Qzot`	`WTF?`
`22:28.58`	`Mikk`	`or rather, rename them`
`22:29.02`	`Mikk`	`Interface.bak, WTF.bak`
`22:29.21`	`Qzot`	`WTF?`
`22:29.28`	`Mikk`	`Yes "WTF"`
`22:29.30`	`Mikk`	`You have one =)`
`22:29.41`	`Mikk`	`Seriously though`
`22:29.52`	`Mikk`	`If you've just got an item cache problem`
`22:29.56`	`Mikk`	`You can leave those two alone`
`22:30.02`	`Mikk`	`Just zap your WDB folder`
`22:30.08`	`Mikk`	`It's not worth keeping a backup of`
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`22:32.04`	`Qzot`	`Mikk: ahem I was trying for the pathethetic play on words involving "WTF", and prior to that, about confusing IRC and WoW. I believe (hope?) clad was playing along. You, I'm don't know if our comedy confused you, or you are world-class deadpan humor man.`
`22:32.36`	`Qzot`	`s/I'm don't/I don't/`
`22:32.59`	`Cairenn`	`I believe Mikk was being a smartass :p`
`22:33.14`	`Qzot`	`As I said, I couldn't tell which. :P`
`22:33.28`	`Cairenn`	`I'm not 100% positive myself`
`22:33.42`	`Qzot`	`Cairenn? 100% positive?`
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`22:34.12`	`Mikk`	`Argh`
`22:34.13`	`Cairenn`	`it does happen, albeit rarely`
`22:34.31`	`Mikk`	`I just woke up. I was NOT reading the masses of IRC humor =P`
`22:34.38`	`Mikk`	`Was just trying to be helpful, actually =)`
`22:35.04`	`Qzot`	`I've been dealing with lawyers this week.`
`22:35.09`	`Qzot`	`http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6281/avatar7ft.gif`
`22:35.42`	`Cairenn`	`ah hell Qzot, that looks like me on a normal day dealing with you lot :p`
`22:35.52`	`End`	`I need to sit in my chair better`
`22:35.56`	`End`	`I'm slipping out`
`22:35.56`	`Qzot`	`Lol.`
`22:36.01`	`Qzot`	`Hehe.`
`22:36.02`	`End`	`heellp meee`
`22:36.13`	`Cairenn`	`you've fallen and you can't get up?`
`22:36.23`	`End`	`no, I got up`
`22:36.53`	`Mikk`	`I love that position. YOu've slipped out and are half lying on your back. You can't move, because then the chair rolls back and you hit your ass, hard.`
`22:36.59`	`End`	`yeah`
`22:37.03`	`End`	`it was a bit annoying me`
`22:37.04`	`Cairenn`	`heh, been there, done that`
`22:37.17`	`End`	`I'm all better now though :)`
`22:37.26`	`Mikk`	`goodie =)`
`22:40.44`	`Cairenn`	`later End-afk`
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`22:47.24`	`Industrial`	`anyone here known with apache or lighttpd with python and CGI on windows? trying to install webpy.org`
`22:49.48`	`Mikma`	`go mikk!`
`22:50.53`	`Mikk`	`whichwha? I haven't run apache with python on windows`
`22:50.54`	`Mikk`	`only php`
`22:51.38`	`Mikk`	`but if apache+pyhon is anything like apache+php on windows, you really don't want the latest apache`
`22:52.47`	`Industrial`	`no :(`
`22:57.52`	`dreamss`	`arc has a svn?`
`22:58.46`	`clad\|afk`	`yes`
`22:58.51`	`clad\|afk`	`http://svn.wowace.com/`
`22:58.52`	`clad\|afk`	`err`
`22:58.59`	`clad\|afk`	`http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk`
`23:01.00`	`Wobin`	`For the comic geek: http://pics.livejournal.com/gordon_r_d/pic/0006q8zc`
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