| 00:00.25 | Mikord | hello folks. |
| 00:00.30 | Legorol | hi |
| 00:00.31 | Cairenn | hi Mikord |
| 00:00.46 | Wobin | shouldn't be too hard |
| 00:01.16 | Cairenn | merely a suggestion |
| 00:01.22 | Wobin | hm, I wonder what GetPetExperience shows if there's no pet out |
| 00:02.31 | Mikord | anyone know how to turn off the game's xp display? It seems to operate outside of the interface like the damage, but I don't see an option for it |
| 00:03.11 | Wobin | outside of code, I don't think there's an interface option |
| 00:03.38 | kergoth | Mikord: heh, i take it you're trying to add xp to msbt |
| 00:03.44 | Mikord | already done :P |
| 00:03.57 | Mikord | just wanted to turn off the game one too since I don't like redundant info |
| 00:04.03 | kergoth | thatd be nice |
| 00:04.34 | Mikord | did you recheck that reputation stuff? It's already in there. If it isn't displaying then I need to check on it |
| 00:05.01 | Wobin | oh kergoth |
| 00:05.09 | Wobin | What herb bag are you using? |
| 00:05.23 | Wobin | (and what quiver bag?) |
| 00:05.29 | kergoth | currently its the cheap 12 sloter that the herb guy in org sells |
| 00:05.33 | kergoth | quiver is a light leather one |
| 00:05.55 | kergoth | Mikord: havent had time to check it again, i'll let ya know |
| 00:07.04 | Mikord | I'm playing on a lowbie right now. They XP thing is kinda nice. I notice it more |
| 00:18.08 | kergoth | Mikord: yea i'm not seeing any rep messages |
| 00:23.59 | Cairenn | Iriel: you're a sneaky one, you were hiding on us, right in plain site! |
| 00:24.05 | Cairenn | sight* |
| 00:24.08 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.38 | Mikord | ok kergoth. I'll check on it |
| 00:27.20 | kergoth | thanks |
| 00:28.21 | Kaso | man, i feel like a total noob right now, but i wonder if someone could help me identify a mod. |
| 00:29.04 | Cairenn | not without details we can't |
| 00:29.21 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 00:29.22 | Kaso | hold on screenshot is taking longer than i thought it would ;> |
| 00:32.05 | *** join/#wowi-lounge snurre (n=snurre@AVelizy-153-1-13-21.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 00:32.16 | Kaso | bah stupid VLC! |
| 00:32.16 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=chatzill@host-70-45-86-28.onelinkpr.net) |
| 00:36.14 | MentalPower | man I love my ISP |
| 00:39.26 | Kaso | ok, whats this : http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/b00fz.jpg |
| 00:41.00 | Shadowed | the curse people always have such clean UIs |
| 00:42.52 | Shadowed | Check the topic where the video was posted though, they probably answered |
| 00:45.15 | Kaso | Well it says in the videos its Photek UI but i googled that and couldnt find a thing |
| 00:46.01 | Mikma | Kaso: i think that's gypsy buff's or the mod for it |
| 00:46.11 | Mikord | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4558-1-photekui-v31.html |
| 00:46.33 | Iriel | Heh, sorry, work and all |
| 00:46.39 | Cairenn | which says that it's CT_Mod's Buff |
| 00:47.08 | Cairenn | "9. Satrina buff has been removed and replaced with a much cooler looking CT_Mod Buff Style [color]. To set it up the CT_Mod Control Panel button is near your minimap, and the buff frames can be configured from there. I personally use the "Simple" layout, but you may choose as you please." |
| 00:47.42 | Kaso | hmmm |
| 00:47.52 | Iriel | In case cladhaire doesn't have clad|dinner registered - if he wants my gallery site, it's http://www.partialobscurity.com/picsheet-1.html |
| 00:47.53 | Kaso | i have CT_Buff mod and mine doesnt look like that |
| 00:48.15 | Thrae | Iriel: That reminds me. What do you think the overhead would be for hooking all 60 of GameTooltip's FontString's SetText and GetText ? |
| 00:48.18 | Iriel | And there are more at http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/pages/digicam/index.html |
| 00:48.31 | Cairenn | ah, the second is the one he was looking for |
| 00:48.37 | Iriel | Thrae: Overhead - probably not much - use - almost none |
| 00:48.48 | Iriel | the standard GameTooltip:Set* functions dont call them |
| 00:49.08 | Thrae | Iriel: No, I need a safer way of putting info from other addons into a separate tooltip |
| 00:49.27 | Cairenn | and, non-registered can receive, they just can't send |
| 00:49.42 | Thrae | Lots of addons do stuff like getglobal("GameTooltipTextLeft" .. GameTooltip:NumLines() ) after a call to AddLine or AddDoubleLnie |
| 00:49.44 | Iriel | Thrae : Then it wont be too bad, your hook will be dwarfed by the overhead of the frame method lookup |
| 00:50.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphen (n=masked@c-67-183-238-150.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 00:50.34 | Thrae | Iriel: Wouldn't the memory usage be ginormous? |
| 00:50.38 | Thrae | Oh sorry, have a good time :) |
| 00:50.46 | Iriel | Not really |
| 00:50.50 | Cairenn | ooooh, have fun! |
| 00:50.59 | Iriel | (to the memory usage) |
| 00:51.16 | Iriel | And thanks (to the fun) |
| 00:51.22 | Thrae | Thanks :) |
| 00:51.39 | Mikma | Mikord: that's some horrible ui you pasted :D |
| 00:51.49 | Mikma | argh! Iriel's using BitchX |
| 00:52.34 | Mikma | that's one nasty irc-client, likes to kick the user out of irc-server often |
| 00:54.33 | Cairenn | iriel doesn't seem to have many problems with it |
| 00:55.05 | Thrae | If you disable Auto-Rejoin, it's fien |
| 00:55.32 | Mikord | Iriel question for ya. Do you know if there is a CVar to turn off the game's XP display (the purple xp that displays even if the interface is off) |
| 00:55.35 | Thrae | BitchX is a fine client, it just has annoying (literally) defaults |
| 00:55.51 | Mikma | my friend on ircnet always keeps getting disconnected from server when he uses bx :D |
| 00:55.55 | Thrae | Mikord: Why don't you just hide the frame? |
| 00:56.01 | Mikma | everyone else using something doesn't |
| 00:56.07 | Mikord | there is no frame |
| 00:56.10 | Mikma | Mikord: oh yeah hey, i got 1 request for you :) |
| 00:56.16 | Thrae | Mikord: Yes, there's a frame |
| 00:56.21 | Mikord | it's totally ouside of the interface. You can turn the interface off and it still shows |
| 00:56.35 | Thrae | I'm hiding it in my interface just fine with Visor. |
| 00:56.43 | Wobin | What's the framename? |
| 00:56.44 | Mikma | Mikord: can you make couple of layouts for users to select, the normal (present) version and wider version if the frames? :) |
| 00:56.44 | Thrae | Lemme see... |
| 00:56.49 | Mikord | Cool. Well I'll have to figure out the frame name then :) |
| 00:56.53 | Wobin | (is probably a more relevant question =)) |
| 00:56.59 | Mikord | It didn't appear to have one because it shows with the interface off |
| 00:57.37 | Mikord | You know you can make another profile? |
| 00:57.43 | Thrae | MainMenuExpBar, it's a StatusBar |
| 00:57.45 | Mikord | @Mikma |
| 00:57.54 | Mikord | ah ok thanks let me try it out |
| 00:57.54 | Thrae | And it's weird it doesn't hide for you if you hide UIParent, it hides for me |
| 00:58.04 | Mikord | I can alt-z and it still shows |
| 00:58.06 | Mikma | Mikord: yeap, but since i can't see the frames all at once i don't know are they aligned correctly |
| 00:58.07 | Mikord | just like game damage |
| 00:58.21 | Thrae | It is parented to MainMenuBar, which is parented to UIParent |
| 00:58.40 | Mikord | That's not the XP bar is it? |
| 00:58.44 | Mikord | I'm talking about the purple text |
| 00:58.51 | Mikord | not the bar |
| 00:58.55 | Thrae | The text is part of the bar |
| 00:59.22 | Mikord | Ok thanks thrae |
| 00:59.23 | Thrae | MainMenuBarOverlayFrame |
| 00:59.32 | Thrae | That's the frame you're looking for |
| 00:59.48 | Thrae | MainMenuBarExpText is the actual FontString |
| 01:00.22 | Wobin | hm |
| 01:00.33 | Wobin | don't you mean the text -on- the xpbar? |
| 01:00.35 | Mikord | cool that was it. Where you looking to find that? |
| 01:01.23 | Mikord | @Mikma: Yeah I can probably get some layout presets put in there in a future rev |
| 01:01.49 | Mikma | Mikord: that's nice, thanks dude :) |
| 01:02.19 | Mikord | I take it you want it to wrap around nurfed? |
| 01:04.09 | Mikma | Mikord: nope, i just wan't them to be littlebit further from each other |
| 01:04.13 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (i=George@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 01:04.38 | Mikma | Mikord: i did remove the names from all damages and used SnapToGrid to move them couple of grids further etc |
| 01:04.52 | Mikma | seems to be pretty nice and littlebit clearer.. atleast for me :) |
| 01:05.07 | Kirkburn | Too many Mik's! |
| 01:05.13 | Mikord | haha yeah |
| 01:05.23 | Mikma | Mik's rule the world! |
| 01:05.37 | Thrae | Mikord: You should have named it "Mikord's Scrolling Battle Text" out of respect for Mikk ;) |
| 01:05.45 | Mikord | Aye mikma that's why I made the output customizable. Personally I like the extra info because I can follow it easily, but I know some people like less. |
| 01:05.47 | Kirkburn | scary... |
| 01:06.07 | Mikord | I didn't even know of the other Mikk |
| 01:06.10 | Mikord | :( |
| 01:06.21 | Mikma | Mikord: at first i didn't notice they are changeable, but then someone told me and... now it's nice heh ;) |
| 01:06.28 | Mikord | I will probably end up merging it with another mod I have privately at some point and changing the name |
| 01:06.29 | Kirkburn | I introduced him to here from the wowwiki |
| 01:06.50 | Mikma | Mikord: yeah use some neat name, the present is just too long :) |
| 01:07.01 | Kirkburn | Team Fortress 2 pic! http://www.steampowered.com/download/Team_Fortress_2_Group_Photo.jpg |
| 01:07.15 | Kirkburn | Looks *damn* cool |
| 01:07.26 | Mikma | Kirkburn: huh! |
| 01:08.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-67-53-204-251.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 01:08.10 | Mikma | holy crap, tf2 is coming! :D |
| 01:08.24 | Kirkburn | Read this! http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=news&id=691 |
| 01:08.46 | Kirkburn | It's coming with HL2:Ep2, along with another game ... all in one package |
| 01:09.03 | Mikord | Yeah I wasn't really trying to come up with anything special as I didn't write the mod to be released it just sort of grew |
| 01:09.22 | Thrae | I know the feeling all too well, Mikord. |
| 01:09.26 | Mikord | Then my friends were always like hey change this change that |
| 01:09.41 | Kirkburn | I'm so so happy :D |
| 01:09.44 | Mikord | so I was like heh ok I tell you what YOU can change it and made everything customizable |
| 01:09.48 | Mikma | Kirkburn: there was these pictures of some TF2 earlier on net, and they still might be there but they haven't been updated in 4 years or so |
| 01:09.59 | Kirkburn | I think I know the ones |
| 01:10.05 | Kirkburn | It's come, er, quite a way since then |
| 01:10.15 | Kirkburn | Videos coming next week :) |
| 01:11.09 | Kirkburn | Oh and the pic (http://www.halflife2.net/news//1152917265_Team_Fortress_2_Group_Photo.jpg) is actually an in-game shot |
| 01:11.27 | Kirkburn | Don't ask me why I changed the link ... |
| 01:11.57 | Thrae | Dammit, need to burn off some data...just added 120GB worth of Anime to my download list |
| 01:13.36 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zespri|home (i=andrew@203.100.211.13) |
| 01:15.14 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@115-60.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 01:15.14 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Beladona] by ChanServ |
| 01:16.22 | Kirkburn | Imagine playing with a view like this? http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=189738086&size=o |
| 01:16.42 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Valgrind (n=bortas@c-a30d70d5.09-31-6c6b7010.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 01:17.36 | Mikma | oh bloody hell that picture is huge |
| 01:19.11 | Kirkburn | yeah :) |
| 01:19.54 | Kirkburn | Haha, I love these Rayman vids: http://raymanzone.uk.ubi.com/ravingrabbids/medias.php |
| 01:21.02 | Kirkburn | (especially the dev team attacked one) |
| 01:22.01 | Mikord | Hmm actually thrae that's not the right bar. That's still the overlay frame on the xp bar itself :\ |
| 01:22.20 | Thrae | Mikord: Try hiding the FontString I gave before |
| 01:22.29 | Mikord | Yeah that's the actual text on the XP bar |
| 01:22.35 | Mikord | and the overlay is also the same area |
| 01:22.46 | Thrae | I thought you just wanted to hide the text? |
| 01:23.17 | esp|Syn | A |
| 01:23.19 | esp|Syn | RGH |
| 01:23.19 | Thrae | MainMenuExpBar is the actual bar, MainMenuExpText is the text on the bar |
| 01:23.20 | Mikord | yeah, but not there. The purple text that appears when you kill something (it appears right above your head and stays on with the interface off) |
| 01:23.28 | Thrae | Ohhhhhhh\ |
| 01:23.35 | esp|Syn | i HATE titan panel! |
| 01:23.37 | Thrae | Hmmm, I'm not sure where that is |
| 01:23.45 | Thrae | But I bet it's SOMEWHERE in FrameXML |
| 01:23.53 | Mikma | esp|Syn: that's why people use FuBar ;) |
| 01:24.04 | esp|Syn | Oh i dont mind it as a usere |
| 01:24.07 | esp|Syn | user* |
| 01:24.08 | Mikord | probably I'll have to look around, but I'm betting that it's controlled through a CVar just like game damage |
| 01:24.16 | esp|Syn | but.. trying to develope a mod on it is HELL |
| 01:24.24 | esp|Syn | did i spell develope right? |
| 01:24.25 | Thrae | Mikord: Try this mod called Visor, it has a FrameName-Grabber function you can keybind |
| 01:24.37 | Cairenn | esp|Syn: that's why people use FuBar ;0 |
| 01:24.39 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 01:24.44 | Mikma | esp|Syn: develope... penelope... penetrate |
| 01:25.14 | esp|Syn | Developer.. develope..develeper... |
| 01:25.15 | Thrae | Fubar is VERY easy to develop for, and you can even allow people to use your mod without Fubar being installed |
| 01:25.18 | esp|Syn | nope just dosnt look right |
| 01:25.35 | Cairenn | develop |
| 01:25.39 | Thrae | Developer is correct |
| 01:25.43 | Cairenn | developer |
| 01:25.46 | Cairenn | developed |
| 01:25.46 | Mikord | Ok I'll grab it |
| 01:26.07 | Thrae | It comes from the Spanish, "Devel", which we all know means "Devil". A Developer is one doing the Devil's work. |
| 01:26.13 | esp|Syn | i might look into Fubar for myself then, but im developing this for my friend who uses TB |
| 01:26.13 | Mikma | ~steveballmer esp|Syn |
| 01:26.14 | purl | ACTION throws a chair at esp|Syn |
| 01:26.20 | Cairenn | ~smack Thrae |
| 01:26.22 | purl | ACTION smacks Thrae upside the head. |
| 01:26.35 | esp|Syn | ~slap Mikma |
| 01:26.36 | purl | ACTION slaps Mikma, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 01:26.36 | Thrae | esp|Syn: Tell him to switch to Fubar, almost all Titan mods have been...well, Fubar'd ;) |
| 01:26.44 | Mikma | ~steveballmer esp|Syn |
| 01:26.45 | purl | ACTION bounces on esp|Syn screaming, "DEVELOPERSDEVELOPERSDEVELOPERS!!" |
| 01:26.49 | Mikma | there it is ;) |
| 01:27.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge RelSleep (n=Relvox@bzq-88-153-74-217.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 01:27.11 | esp|Syn | lol |
| 01:27.30 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (n=ckknight@rrcs-67-53-204-251.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 01:31.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Dolby-wowi (n=Dolby@CPE-70-94-30-72.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 01:31.07 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Dolby-wowi] by ChanServ |
| 01:38.54 | Mikord | I like Thrae's version of Spanish haha |
| 01:40.05 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@adsl-64-161-16-97.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 01:44.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@adsl-68-127-185-12.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 01:46.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem_ (n=tardmrr@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
| 01:49.49 | Legorol | anyone here played GW? i've got a newbie question |
| 01:50.05 | Legorol | how can i target a mob without automatically starting to attack them? |
| 01:50.27 | Legorol | i'd like to select the mob, then start casting a long casting time spell, and pull with that spell |
| 01:50.41 | Legorol | but if i click a mob, i immediately attack |
| 01:55.02 | Kirkburn | Traitorous scum =) |
| 01:56.00 | Kirkburn | That sounds odd nonetheless |
| 01:56.17 | Kirkburn | I saw they've only just implemented stack splitting :P |
| 01:56.22 | Legorol | i'm simply curious about it.. |
| 01:56.34 | Legorol | nothing wrong with knowing thy enemies ;-) |
| 01:56.47 | Legorol | i'd never betray WoW, i'll stay loyal |
| 01:57.27 | Legorol | i do like the enormous range of character customization available in GW, i'm very impressed in fact |
| 01:57.38 | Legorol | especially about the fact that you can recustomize your character completely any time you like |
| 01:57.54 | Legorol | that goes beyond anything i've seen, even mmo with skill-based advancement |
| 01:58.42 | Thrae | Wouldn't that eventually end up with everyone as one "perfect type" from all the min-maxing? |
| 01:59.02 | Thrae | I remember the "Monk/Priest" or "Monk/Warrior" being the "perfect type" |
| 01:59.33 | Thrae | Like 70% of the longer term players ended up in that type in GW |
| 02:04.46 | Kirov | Beladona - your still around? |
| 02:04.47 | Shadowed | So i kind of wish they would always let you rename your character on test |
| 02:04.51 | Shadowed | because i now own "ADruid" :( |
| 02:05.56 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/wdn3back.jpg |
| 02:06.51 | Beladona | yeah I am here |
| 02:06.57 | Beladona | sorry I was finishing up some compares |
| 02:07.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn1 (n=George@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 02:08.01 | Kirkburn1 | I thought I'd almost lost my computer then :/ I hate the internet |
| 02:08.24 | Beladona | Legorol |
| 02:08.35 | Beladona | in GW there is a keyboard shortcut to target nearest enemy |
| 02:08.44 | Beladona | it doesn't attack |
| 02:08.50 | Kirov | Beladona - that logo better? |
| 02:08.55 | Beladona | I map mine to my thumb button on my mouse |
| 02:08.58 | Beladona | yeah I like it |
| 02:17.51 | Legorol | Beladona: yeah i know about that one, but that's nearest enemy |
| 02:18.00 | Legorol | how do i target an arbitrary enemy, without auto-attacking |
| 02:18.10 | Legorol | i'd like to click on one in the distance say |
| 02:18.22 | Thrae | Without looking through party and raid targets, you can't. |
| 02:18.45 | Legorol | Thrae, in GW |
| 02:18.55 | Thrae | Not to my knowledge. TargetNearestEnemy() or TargetByName() are the on-- |
| 02:19.00 | Thrae | Oh. Sorry :D |
| 02:19.09 | Legorol | ok i know it's a bit off-topic |
| 02:21.03 | Beladona | ok thats really weird |
| 02:21.14 | Beladona | they didn't increment the TOC number on the test client |
| 02:21.21 | Beladona | its still 11100 |
| 02:21.23 | Kirov | lol |
| 02:21.35 | Shadowed | It's to throw us off |
| 02:21.49 | Kirov | I think they did that once before with one of the first test realms |
| 02:22.07 | Beladona | wonder if it was an oversight |
| 02:22.37 | Beladona | or because no pre-existing global functions were altered |
| 02:22.42 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.02 | Tem | anyone got the patch notes? |
| 02:29.15 | Tem | it appears their site is far too hammered to get them |
| 02:29.24 | Thrae | Tem: www.curse-gaming.com has them |
| 02:29.43 | Tem | the *real* patch noes |
| 02:29.44 | Beladona | soon Kirov: messing with some compare stuff |
| 02:29.44 | Tem | notes* |
| 02:29.52 | Tem | not the bullshit they had posted this morning |
| 02:30.13 | Shadowed | Tem: It's real |
| 02:30.17 | Thrae | Those were from the PTR this morning |
| 02:30.25 | Thrae | They may or may not have changed, it IS the PTR |
| 02:30.27 | Beladona | I gave Kirkburn the notes, and he was gonna post them on wowwiki |
| 02:30.32 | Beladona | they aren't there yet? |
| 02:31.02 | Shadowed | i kind of wish people would stop posting videos of the later nax fights :/ |
| 02:31.08 | Thrae | Spoilers? |
| 02:31.09 | Legorol | what? PTR? |
| 02:31.11 | Legorol | 1.12? |
| 02:31.15 | Shadowed | Beladona: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_1.12_(Preliminary_Info) |
| 02:31.24 | Shadowed | Legorol: yes but they aren't up yet |
| 02:31.30 | Legorol | woooo |
| 02:31.31 | Thrae | 0.12! 0.12! |
| 02:31.35 | Legorol | actually.. |
| 02:31.35 | Thrae | Not 1.12 >.< |
| 02:31.42 | Legorol | nothing in 1.12 for me to look forward to :( |
| 02:31.43 | Shadowed | Thrae: Yeah, just posting the entire fight when only 3 guilds have done it |
| 02:31.59 | Beladona | thats not teh patch notes I gave him though |
| 02:32.05 | Beladona | thats just the stuff that was posted before the PTR |
| 02:32.10 | Thrae | Legorol: Didn't slouken get finished with AddonComm? |
| 02:32.16 | Shadowed | ... |
| 02:32.18 | Legorol | ah good point! |
| 02:32.21 | Shadowed | the music conquest chose for this video is scary |
| 02:32.38 | Kirov | hmm |
| 02:33.13 | Shadowed | to be fair, i didn't read the whole thing just searched for 1.12 |
| 02:33.18 | Kirov | If blizzard implemented their own version of SCT, how many bets do you want to make that they're not scanning the combat logs for the info |
| 02:33.33 | Shadowed | Kirov: I'd imagine they are, why? |
| 02:33.38 | Kirov | Really? |
| 02:33.40 | Shadowed | Ah wait Beladona http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_1.12_%28Release_Notes%29 |
| 02:34.15 | Shadowed | Kirov guessing mostly |
| 02:34.23 | Beladona | so... is there another ptr up since the one this morning? |
| 02:34.37 | Shadowed | they havn't come up yet, and no i don't think so |
| 02:34.41 | Legorol | where do you guys see 0.12 PTR? |
| 02:35.10 | Shadowed | isn't there suppose to be an interface.mpq file in the Data folder? |
| 02:35.30 | Kirov | shadowed - AURA_START! |
| 02:35.37 | Shadowed | Kirov: AURA_START? |
| 02:35.56 | Legorol | Shadowed: yes |
| 02:35.58 | Legorol | oh yay! |
| 02:36.02 | Legorol | char copy page for EU is up! |
| 02:36.09 | Legorol | and people didn't seem to notice yet, so it's not hammered.. |
| 02:36.29 | Beladona | Shadowed, the only file that matters is the patch.mpq |
| 02:36.33 | Kirov | new event - COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE, includes stuff like when a player gains and looses auras (both good and bad) |
| 02:36.35 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 02:36.37 | Beladona | the others are used from the main game directory |
| 02:36.42 | Kirov | faction |
| 02:36.46 | Kirov | resists |
| 02:36.52 | Shadowed | where do you see this? |
| 02:36.52 | Legorol | Shadowed: 0.12 PTR |
| 02:36.53 | Kirov | combo points |
| 02:36.56 | Legorol | it seems like they are getting ready for it |
| 02:37.00 | Legorol | i'm downloading the patch as we speak |
| 02:37.07 | Legorol | only 11 Mb? |
| 02:37.10 | Legorol | that's got to be wrong.. |
| 02:37.36 | Beladona | you sure it isn't the patch downloader you just downlaoded |
| 02:37.40 | Shadowed | Legorol: Is the EU test server up? |
| 02:37.46 | Legorol | i don't know |
| 02:37.50 | Legorol | but the char copy page is.. |
| 02:37.59 | Kirov | Shadowed - http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=lcompare&id=01205496 |
| 02:38.01 | Legorol | if you copy early, you often get 4 copies :) |
| 02:38.09 | Shadowed | that explains it |
| 02:38.56 | Shadowed | hmmm |
| 02:39.25 | Shadowed | Does wdn kill "_" or am I seeing things? |
| 02:39.38 | Beladona | no |
| 02:39.52 | Beladona | you can't see them very well because of the dotted underline on links |
| 02:39.57 | Beladona | but they are there |
| 02:40.16 | Shadowed | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=details&vd=01205496&ct=lcompare&rid=5 I mean I can't see any underscores on that page |
| 02:40.22 | Tem | rofl |
| 02:40.24 | Tem | "New floating combat text has been added to the game with a number |
| 02:40.24 | Tem | of options. You can see when you take damage, when you are healed |
| 02:40.24 | Tem | and how much, when you acquire and lose auras and much more. You can |
| 02:40.24 | Tem | turn on the new options in the newly revised options screen. " |
| 02:40.29 | Beladona | I see them |
| 02:40.38 | Shadowed | IE7 bug I think, i see them fine on firefox |
| 02:40.52 | Kirov | same |
| 02:41.01 | Beladona | wow that is stupid |
| 02:41.11 | Shadowed | :( |
| 02:41.15 | Beladona | must be line height hiding them |
| 02:41.25 | Beladona | go IE! go! |
| 02:42.24 | Shadowed | interesting, so they don't do any combat log scanning |
| 02:43.00 | Kirov | Honestly, wouldn't make sense for them to. |
| 02:43.04 | Beladona | fixed it |
| 02:43.06 | Kirov | All the information is in the client |
| 02:43.20 | Beladona | Shadowed: they added a new event just for that purpose |
| 02:43.23 | Kirov | It gets translated to strings when lua sees it, but before that it's just the raw data |
| 02:43.48 | Shadowed | Yeah i see that now |
| 02:44.07 | Shadowed | COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE looks like it'll make life easier for doing scanning though |
| 02:44.53 | Beladona | well for that data yeah |
| 02:44.53 | Kirov | If only they'd let us get that information for the rest of the raid |
| 02:45.02 | Beladona | does it work for reputation? |
| 02:45.07 | Shadowed | Beladona: looks like it |
| 02:45.10 | Beladona | woot |
| 02:45.19 | Shadowed | oh and i can see underscores again |
| 02:45.22 | Shadowed | thanks |
| 02:46.10 | Kirov | :D |
| 02:46.25 | Shadowed | So I think the first thing i'll have to do on the test server, is find a way around battleground forced groups |
| 02:47.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tarog (n=rat@ip68-230-57-60.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 02:47.56 | Tem | oh, they did forced groups? |
| 02:47.59 | Tem | I missed that |
| 02:48.21 | Kirov | That's on the fake 1.12 notes, I don't see it on the real ones |
| 02:48.21 | Tem | I don't see it anywhere in the list Shadowed |
| 02:48.34 | Shadowed | I'm just guessing mostly |
| 02:48.41 | Shadowed | Why is there a ChatTypeInfo for "BATTLEGROUND_LEADER" though |
| 02:48.53 | Kirov | good point |
| 02:48.59 | Shadowed | "CHAT_MSG_BATTLEGROUND" and "CHAT_MSG_BATTLEGROUND_LEADER" two new events added |
| 02:49.05 | Tem | I'd like forced groups when I pug it |
| 02:49.11 | Tem | but I don't pug anymore |
| 02:49.19 | Beladona | pug you! |
| 02:49.21 | Beladona | oh |
| 02:49.27 | Shadowed | yeah, really the last thing I want is having to deal with some alliance pug who knows crap but we're forced to listen to him |
| 02:49.41 | Beladona | especially now that you will be seeing people from other servers |
| 02:49.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge gnorlish (n=jaydee@ny-lackawannacadent4-chtwga3b-b-121.buf.adelphia.net) |
| 02:49.43 | Shadowed | or having 7 group, 7 pug in AB and not being able to communicate with only the group :/ |
| 02:49.48 | Beladona | and have no way of knowing how good they are |
| 02:49.52 | Tem | (unless you count AV, but since I got my SotSF and I'm not grinding for honor, I don't do AV anymore) |
| 02:50.08 | Shadowed | Beladona: Well, from a tatics standpoint it'll hurt a lot |
| 02:50.32 | Shadowed | Pugs are usually known for zerging a node if you tell them to help it out, and when you're in a group you can only tell the group and not have to worry about everyone leaving everything else and helping that one node. |
| 02:51.39 | Tem | that's what Vent is for, Shadowed |
| 02:51.39 | Shadowed | our group doesn't use vent |
| 02:51.39 | Tem | *shudder* |
| 02:51.39 | Beladona | you know... |
| 02:51.40 | Shadowed | infact, my raiding guild doesn't either :p |
| 02:51.40 | Beladona | if they can link battlegrounds, that brings up ideas for other things they could link |
| 02:51.46 | Beladona | like linked auction houses |
| 02:51.47 | Shadowed | like instances? |
| 02:51.48 | Tem | no! |
| 02:51.50 | Tem | BAD Beladona |
| 02:51.52 | Tem | BAD |
| 02:51.55 | Beladona | hehe |
| 02:52.08 | Shadowed | he's been bribed by gold farmers |
| 02:52.22 | Tem | Gold farmers don't have to level to 60 on new servers anymore! |
| 02:52.22 | Beladona | it would balance the economy on all servers though |
| 02:52.36 | Beladona | I just don't know if it would balance up or down |
| 02:52.42 | Kirov | or destroy it on all servers |
| 02:52.51 | Beladona | my thinking is it would average to a common median |
| 02:53.04 | Legorol | apparently PTRs only come up on monday :( |
| 02:53.15 | Shadowed | Any idea what "TALENT_FRAME_WAS_SHOWN" is for? |
| 02:53.18 | Legorol | this has got to be the smallest content patch ever.. |
| 02:53.21 | Legorol | 11.3 Mb |
| 02:53.27 | Legorol | did they actually add anything? |
| 02:53.37 | Shadowed | oh hey |
| 02:53.46 | Shadowed | they added a confirmation saying if you delete a good item |
| 02:54.19 | Beladona | 1.11.1 to 1.11.2 was only 5mb |
| 02:54.26 | Beladona | its incremental |
| 02:54.33 | Beladona | a full patch would be huge |
| 02:56.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge dukeku (i=dukeku@c-67-160-162-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 02:57.59 | Legorol | ZOMG!! |
| 02:58.04 | Legorol | has anyone looked at the patch notes? |
| 02:58.09 | Tem | yes, I have |
| 02:58.10 | Legorol | they havea long, long explanation on haste/slow effects |
| 02:58.14 | Legorol | complete with math formula |
| 02:58.19 | Kirov | yeah, I noticed that too |
| 02:58.19 | Tem | mmhmmm |
| 02:58.30 | Legorol | it's the first time in the history of Blizzard that they give out actual formulae in connection with a game mechanics |
| 02:58.35 | Legorol | <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 |
| 02:58.40 | Tem | lol |
| 02:58.41 | Kirov | thought that was an odd amount of information |
| 02:59.07 | Shadowed | it's so nobody complains and says it was a nerf |
| 02:59.11 | Legorol | it looks like haste does work the way we figured |
| 02:59.24 | Legorol | i'm surprised that it worked differently before.. |
| 02:59.28 | Legorol | i wonder what the old formulae were |
| 03:01.16 | Shadowed | Actually, I guess on the plus side of forced groups. I can use AddOn comm to communicate BG info through raid |
| 03:02.05 | Legorol | forced groups? |
| 03:02.12 | Legorol | btw, i don't like the Uldaman/ZF changes |
| 03:02.20 | Beladona | Kirov, new logo image is up |
| 03:02.28 | Legorol | Uldaman and ZF were fun dungeons, the things they changed made them challenging |
| 03:02.34 | Legorol | they are making it too easy :( |
| 03:02.36 | Kirov | yay |
| 03:02.37 | Shadowed | Legorol: From the looks of it they maybe forcing battleground groups, ChatFrame.lua had "CHAT_MSG_BATTLEGROUND" and "CHAT_MSG_BATTLEGROUND_LEADER" added to it |
| 03:02.44 | Shadowed | Uldaman was too hard for the level really |
| 03:02.49 | Legorol | not true at all! |
| 03:02.54 | Legorol | that just means you were doing it wrong |
| 03:03.00 | Legorol | we cleared it with a party of around 45s |
| 03:03.03 | Legorol | including the end boss |
| 03:03.06 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.06 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.11 | Kirov | And the quests for it are level 40 |
| 03:03.13 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.23 | Legorol | Kirov: nope, they range from 37 up to something like 47 |
| 03:03.26 | Beladona | it may be voluntary group matching |
| 03:03.35 | Beladona | you can't surmise forced groups from that |
| 03:03.43 | Legorol | the quest range for Uldaman is, just like any other instance, quite wide |
| 03:03.50 | Thrae | Legorol: God, that's a stupid change |
| 03:03.52 | Shadowed | think the IGN info said it |
| 03:03.58 | Thrae | And when I mean a Stupid Change, I mean for stupid people |
| 03:03.58 | net\afk | what s up |
| 03:04.05 | Beladona | you know what we should do? |
| 03:04.08 | Beladona | test it... |
| 03:04.12 | Beladona | that way we know for sure lol |
| 03:04.12 | Legorol | Thrae: yeah :( |
| 03:04.17 | Thrae | You don't loot the damn chest until AFTER you clear the room, that should just be common dungeon experience right there |
| 03:04.19 | Legorol | the shadowforge ambushers in Ulda were really fun! |
| 03:04.32 | Legorol | first time, yeah, you wipe |
| 03:04.34 | Legorol | but then you learn |
| 03:04.39 | Thrae | Lots of people wipe there that don't realize that |
| 03:04.41 | Legorol | next time, it's still tough, but doable |
| 03:04.47 | Legorol | so what if they wipe? |
| 03:04.53 | Legorol | tough luck... be more prepared |
| 03:04.53 | Thrae | I wonder what WoW people would do in DAoC or EQ |
| 03:05.09 | Thrae | It's not like WoW dungeons are HARDER then those games, they're EASIER |
| 03:05.19 | Legorol | look at the ZF changes |
| 03:05.26 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.26 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.35 | Thrae | "OMG we wiped, we need to walk for 10 minutes" |
| 03:05.36 | Legorol | ok that one's almost understandable |
| 03:05.43 | Legorol | that encounter is pretty tough |
| 03:05.44 | Shadowed | I liked the fact that it was hard, it's just pugs usually were kind of stupid |
| 03:05.46 | Legorol | but it is doable |
| 03:05.51 | Thrae | ZF does have a few bugs for it |
| 03:05.57 | Legorol | like? |
| 03:05.59 | Thrae | Sometimes the Witch Doctor summons them faster then other times |
| 03:06.09 | Legorol | ok |
| 03:06.20 | Mikord | linkage? |
| 03:06.20 | Legorol | but tbh, if you clear the graves first, |
| 03:06.22 | Legorol | he doesn't summon them |
| 03:06.24 | Thrae | Sometimes one of the Jailed NPCs in the Jail NPC quest run ALL the way down the stairs, die, then draw the aggro up to the top |
| 03:06.30 | Legorol | so again... use caution, clear the graves, then kill him |
| 03:06.33 | netcurse | Legorol what i can do for you |
| 03:06.35 | Thrae | That's one I want fixed |
| 03:06.37 | Cairenn | oo ee oo aa aa, ding dang, walla walla, bing bang |
| 03:06.39 | netcurse | exept i m a bit drunk .P |
| 03:06.46 | Thrae | That's a 100% wipe right there, unless you're all Level 50s |
| 03:06.57 | Legorol | netcurse: pull wowtoc from CG :) |
| 03:07.02 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:07.03 | Legorol | you could do that for me.. |
| 03:07.06 | Tem | oo ee, oo aa aa, ding dang walla walla, bing ban! |
| 03:07.23 | Cairenn | ban? *pouts* |
| 03:07.37 | netcurse | i think i can do this lego .p |
| 03:07.41 | Legorol | WoW, the changes to V are great! |
| 03:07.46 | Tem | er/aa,/aa/ |
| 03:08.03 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 03:08.08 | Beladona | so... is there a new ptr? |
| 03:08.12 | Legorol | yes! |
| 03:08.15 | Beladona | damnit |
| 03:08.16 | Tem | oo ee, oo aa aa ding dang walla walla bing ban! |
| 03:08.22 | Legorol | lol, they integrated sct.. |
| 03:08.23 | Beladona | I just got the one up from this morning |
| 03:08.35 | Tem | Legorol, exactly my reaction |
| 03:08.49 | Beladona | honestly |
| 03:08.52 | Beladona | I am glad they did |
| 03:08.59 | Legorol | actually, lots of UI changes |
| 03:08.59 | Cairenn | kinda makes the whole SCT vs MBST stuff rather moot |
| 03:09.01 | Legorol | i'm impressed |
| 03:09.09 | Beladona | I do ahve some question as to how they implemented it though |
| 03:09.15 | Tem | ditto |
| 03:09.17 | Beladona | I am not a fan of the animation that SCT used |
| 03:09.19 | Shadowed | Hmm, I think they posted that they're forcing people to group during a battleground a while ago but i can't remember :( |
| 03:09.24 | Legorol | lol: |
| 03:09.24 | Legorol | - Fixed a bug that caused some non-combat pets to be referred to as |
| 03:09.24 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.24 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.33 | Tem | :) |
| 03:09.35 | Beladona | I would much more prefer that to be internal, just like mob dmg is |
| 03:09.58 | Tem | when I was reading it, I was hoping what they had added were damage numbers for healers |
| 03:10.01 | Legorol | Shadowed: no sign of it in patch notes |
| 03:10.07 | Thrae | (Mini-) DIABLO IS PET TO NO ONE |
| 03:10.19 | Legorol | except me :) |
| 03:10.19 | Tem | Legorol, but there is some indication of it in ChatFrame.lua |
| 03:10.24 | Legorol | oki |
| 03:10.32 | Tem | CHAT_MSG_BATTLEGROUND_LEADER |
| 03:11.00 | Shadowed | BATTLEGROUND_LEADER Wwould make no sense for general usage, i can understand just BATTLEGROUND but not BATTLEGROUND_LEADER |
| 03:12.19 | esp|Syn | Hrm. i cant work out why my scrollbar wont run the on click event of the 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th buttons |
| 03:12.27 | esp|Syn | but will the 1st.. when they all use the same function.. |
| 03:13.52 | Beladona | going to bed, see everyone tomorrow |
| 03:13.58 | Shadowed | night |
| 03:14.01 | esp|Syn | night |
| 03:14.01 | Tem | night Bela |
| 03:14.04 | esp|Syn | and nm i fixed it :D |
| 03:14.29 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@115-60.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 03:20.22 | Legorol | interesting new entry in Bindings.xml |
| 03:20.23 | Legorol | TOGGLEAUTOSELFCAST |
| 03:20.30 | Legorol | now i have to find what that refers to :) |
| 03:20.46 | Shadowed | Check UIParent? looked like a bunch of configuration stuff was moved/changed |
| 03:21.46 | Legorol | RaidBossEmoteFrame <- what's this? |
| 03:22.12 | Shadowed | could be it displays emotes done by raid bosses near the raid warning frame |
| 03:22.25 | Shadowed | stuff like "Gluth becomes frenzied" |
| 03:23.15 | Legorol | aha, /bg |
| 03:23.17 | Legorol | that's new |
| 03:23.28 | Shadowed | wheres that? |
| 03:23.37 | Legorol | where it should be. GlobalStrings.lua |
| 03:25.04 | Shadowed | never knew where slash commands were stored :p |
| 03:25.24 | Shadowed | Why is it there twice though? I see two /bg and two /battleground |
| 03:28.08 | Legorol | lots of slash commands appear multiple times |
| 03:28.11 | *** join/#wowi-lounge RelSleep (n=Relvox@bzq-88-153-74-217.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 03:28.19 | Legorol | looks like they are adding buffs/debuffs to targetoftarget |
| 03:28.53 | Shadowed | doesn't look like they use SLASH_BATTLEGROUND yet |
| 03:31.02 | esp|Syn | anyone here got experience with titan panel? |
| 03:34.17 | Legorol | Shadowed: they don't need to |
| 03:34.30 | Legorol | just like with SLASH_SAY |
| 03:34.43 | Legorol | a lot of the slash commands are not added to SlashCmdList |
| 03:35.16 | Legorol | instead, they are handled in ChatEdit_ParseText |
| 03:36.44 | Shadowed | ahhh |
| 03:36.57 | Legorol | it loops through ChatTypeInfo |
| 03:37.03 | Legorol | as well as SlashCmdList |
| 03:37.57 | Shadowed | hmmm |
| 03:38.03 | Shadowed | it looks like they are adding ITunes support? |
| 03:38.08 | Legorol | oh? |
| 03:38.20 | Legorol | what makes you think that |
| 03:38.29 | Shadowed | ITUNES_BACKTRACK, ITUNES_NEXTTRACK, ITUNES_PLAYPAUSE, ITUNES_VOLUMEDOWN, ITUNES_VOLUMEUP in GlobalStrings.lua? |
| 03:38.38 | Legorol | hmm |
| 03:38.58 | Mikord | MSBT 2.10 is up. Fixed the rep issues, did a little more optimization, and added a couple things for those who use it |
| 03:39.29 | Legorol | aha, Bindings.xml |
| 03:39.29 | Shadowed | I wonder what CHAT_MSG_FILTERED is for? |
| 03:39.39 | Legorol | whole set of bindings for itunes |
| 03:39.49 | Mikord | For those who use it, MSBT 2.10 is on wowinterface. I fixed the rep issues, did a little more optimization, and added a couple things |
| 03:39.50 | Kirov | woah |
| 03:39.51 | Legorol | only for Mac though |
| 03:39.54 | Kirov | fuckers |
| 03:39.58 | Mikord | oops didn't mean to type that twice |
| 03:40.05 | Mikord | wrong window |
| 03:41.08 | Legorol | yah definiitely Mac only |
| 03:41.09 | Shadowed | Legorol: It's mac only it looks like |
| 03:41.14 | Shadowed | haha |
| 03:41.18 | Legorol | those itunes bindings call API functions which are internal |
| 03:41.30 | Legorol | and they don't exist in WoW.exe |
| 03:41.32 | Shadowed | they also have "platform="mac"" next to them |
| 03:41.37 | Thrae | I'm sure Apple asked them for the keybindigs |
| 03:41.45 | Legorol | hehe, i like to doublecheck things via other means ;_) |
| 03:42.29 | Thrae | "We're making a DB Program for Medical Professionals for Macs." Apple: "Can you add an iTunes interface to it?" |
| 03:42.30 | Legorol | that's quite significant thoguh.. |
| 03:42.35 | Legorol | you can control an external up with keybindings? |
| 03:42.44 | Legorol | s/up/app/ |
| 03:46.17 | Shadowed | hmmm |
| 03:46.26 | Shadowed | whats the reason for the MainMenuBagBarButton.lua change? |
| 03:56.12 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-67-53-204-251.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 04:01.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Depherios (n=Deph@67.189.88.161) |
| 04:25.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zespri (i=andrew@202.180.72.49) |
| 04:26.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem_ (n=tardmrr@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
| 04:29.20 | Kemayo | Mikord: I don't suppose you'd consider putting MSBT onto svn.wowace.com? |
| 04:30.57 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Depherios (n=Deph@67.189.88.161) |
| 04:44.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cogwheel (n=chatzill@67.188.231.45) |
| 04:46.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cogwheel (n=chatzill@67.188.231.45) |
| 04:55.23 | *** join/#wowi-lounge banditron|afk (n=bandito@cpe-67-9-143-58.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 05:25.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cogwheel_ (n=chatzill@intra.kistlerwine.com) |
| 05:29.33 | *** join/#wowi-lounge RelSleep (n=Relvox@bzq-88-153-74-217.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 05:54.17 | Shadowed | So anyone able to recommend something for recording videos besides Fraps? |
| 05:54.26 | Depherios | .... fraps? |
| 05:54.45 | Shadowed | Pretty sure you can get something better then fraps |
| 05:55.52 | Cairenn | gamecam |
| 05:56.24 | Shadowed | thanks will look at it |
| 05:57.27 | Cairenn | np |
| 05:59.45 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shadowed (n=outlaw@c-67-161-0-166.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:07.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shadowed (n=outlaw@c-67-161-0-166.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:07.44 | Shadowed | So GameCam doesn't play nicely with Winamp apparently |
| 06:07.54 | Shadowed | ...and has no uninstaller |
| 06:32.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Atreo (i=bigman@c-68-47-136-187.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) |
| 06:33.02 | Atreo | Anyone around to answer a couple questions? |
| 06:33.13 | Kirov | What's up? |
| 06:33.26 | Thrae | We are here to confuse and amaze. |
| 06:33.37 | Atreo | I'm working on adding an aggro warning to a target/target script |
| 06:33.52 | Atreo | and I have everything done except the check/message exists inside a loop |
| 06:34.01 | Atreo | and i'm not sure how to make it skip it if its already displayed it |
| 06:34.20 | Atreo | that and the /script message("text"); command no longer seems to work for me |
| 06:34.44 | Kirov | Ok |
| 06:34.56 | Shadowed | works fine for me |
| 06:34.59 | Kirov | first thing, get this |
| 06:35.00 | Kirov | http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/DevTools-1.0pre2-11100.zip |
| 06:35.25 | Kirov | it's a mod that lets you type /dump then pretty much anything to see what it is. |
| 06:35.30 | Kirov | very useful |
| 06:35.43 | Kirov | secondly, how are you displaying the message? |
| 06:36.16 | Atreo | using the error frame |
| 06:36.34 | Kirov | I would suggest not using that |
| 06:36.53 | Atreo | really? |
| 06:37.51 | Atreo | should I focus on creating my own frame? |
| 06:38.06 | Kirov | Hold on, pulling in BWL right now so I'll be slow |
| 06:39.10 | Kirov | try UIErrorsFrame:AddMessage(text) |
| 06:39.26 | Atreo | thats what i'm using to display it |
| 06:39.58 | Kirov | ah |
| 06:40.13 | Kirov | sorry |
| 06:40.24 | Atreo | the problem is it is always updating the target/target so it spams the message |
| 06:40.36 | Kirov | what you probably want to do then is keep track of if you have aggro or not in a variable. |
| 06:41.02 | Shadowed | When the mob targets you, set a variable. when you change target or the target/target changes target reset it |
| 06:42.57 | Atreo | yeah i'm using a target/target loop that already existed |
| 06:43.11 | Kirov | if ( UnitIsUnit("targettarget", "player" ) then |
| 06:43.11 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.11 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.11 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.11 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.12 | Kirov | else |
| 06:43.14 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.16 | Kirov | end |
| 06:43.39 | Atreo | ah i didn't think about unit is unit |
| 06:43.52 | Shadowed | ~slap Kirov |
| 06:43.59 | purl | ACTION slaps Kirov, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 06:44.03 | Atreo | saves me a step |
| 06:44.16 | Thrae | Atreo: www.wowwiki.com is your friend. It's main use is up-to-date API information. |
| 06:47.52 | Atreo | i know |
| 06:47.56 | Atreo | but i went in a round about way |
| 06:48.10 | Atreo | did UnitName("targettarget") == UnitName("player") |
| 06:54.50 | Mikord | that would work too |
| 06:55.35 | Thrae | Atreo: NPCs can have the same name as players, it's not as safe as UnitIsUNit |
| 06:55.54 | Thrae | And I think enemy players can have the same names as the other faction? Not sure on that one. |
| 06:56.39 | Mikord | I do agree UnitIsUnit is better |
| 06:57.38 | Kirov | Thrae - no, player names are unique, as are guild names. |
| 06:57.54 | Kirov | Though that'll change in the upcoming cross-server battlegrounds |
| 06:59.15 | Mikord | those are going to be bad for the short bus servers hehe |
| 06:59.29 | Thrae | Ah, I guess that makes sense with the way I've seen Blizzard's DB act. |
| 07:00.26 | Thrae | Mikord: Especially since Blizzard can't possibly balance it according to "which servers have the best PvP guilds" |
| 07:01.00 | Mikord | So I went through everything in FrameXML. There is no mention of the xp text that floats above your head. I'm pretty sure it's not an interface frame because it acts just like the game damage where it still shows even if the interface is off. I bet it's an undocumented CVar in the config.wtf file that controls it. |
| 07:01.08 | Mikord | Thrae: Aye it'll be funny in a way |
| 07:01.17 | Mikord | new server on MC fighting Naxx geared PvP guilds |
| 07:01.21 | Thrae | Since all guilds are transient, and the relations made cross-server will take too much time to risk destroying them on a reshuffle |
| 07:01.36 | Thrae | I'd rather lose quickly then never fight at all :D |
| 07:02.22 | Thrae | Mikord: Hmmm, I would have thought it was a ScrollingMessageFrame |
| 07:02.25 | MentalPower | Cairenn: Auctioneer 3.6.1 in the approval queue :) |
| 07:02.46 | Cairenn | not any longer |
| 07:03.14 | Mikord | Cairenn is so quick :) |
| 07:03.18 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:04.03 | Shadowed | Cairenn probably hits refresh on the queue every couple of seconds |
| 07:04.15 | Cairenn | not quite |
| 07:04.31 | Shadowed | email sent? |
| 07:04.50 | Mikord | there used to be a cvarlist command in beta. Any way to still access that? |
| 07:06.09 | Kirov | not that I know of |
| 07:06.17 | Thrae | Mikord: Yeah you're right, not there |
| 07:06.45 | Thrae | By the way, if you didn't use find or grep, I'm sorry for misleading you |
| 07:07.13 | *** part/#wowi-lounge mikk (i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 07:08.10 | Thrae | Mikord: Googled - http://www.wownation.net/world-of-warcraft-default-command.html |
| 07:08.20 | Mikord | Yeah no worries. I grep'd for some variants and then went through likely candidates manually |
| 07:08.34 | Thrae | Mikord: cvarlist looks promising, if it still works |
| 07:08.39 | Mikord | yeah you can't do that anymore though that I know of |
| 07:08.48 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.49 | Mikord | you can't just /console cvarlist at least |
| 07:09.23 | Mikord | or is there a flag I need to put when I open WoW? A lot of them need --debug or something |
| 07:09.25 | *** join/#wowi-lounge cladhaire (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-69-202-110-177.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 07:10.33 | Mikord | hmm looks like -console |
| 07:14.53 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tarog (n=rat@ip68-230-57-60.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 07:17.00 | Thrae | Mikord: http://www.wowwiki.com/Config.wtf_defaults <-- here's a place |
| 07:18.55 | Thrae | Hey, it seems you can set "screenshotFormat" to something other then TGA! |
| 07:19.35 | Atreo | nother quick question |
| 07:19.49 | Atreo | is there anyway to add a person's guild name to the default blizzard tooltip? |
| 07:19.56 | Atreo | when i hover over them? |
| 07:19.58 | Kirov | Yes |
| 07:20.03 | Shadowed | Thrae: Mac only |
| 07:20.29 | Thrae | Shadowed: Goddamit...free software eh? |
| 07:20.36 | Thrae | Why can't they use the *&%^% available ports |
| 07:20.51 | Shadowed | thats about the same thing i though |
| 07:21.10 | Thrae | Atreo: TinyTip can do it for you, and it doesn't take up too much of your resources. |
| 07:22.09 | Kirov | http://www.pastecode.com/1479 - what I use |
| 07:22.17 | Atreo | i know its more of a learning experience for me tho |
| 07:22.26 | Mikord | hehe Thrae we are coming up with the same places :) |
| 07:23.16 | Kirov | Thrae - mac only |
| 07:23.21 | Mikord | I've got the in-game cvarlist working, but it's in their console and you can't scroll up...hurray |
| 07:23.21 | Kirov | for the screenshot thing |
| 07:23.45 | Thrae | Mikord: What was the command to get the console? |
| 07:23.55 | Thrae | Mikord: I opened WoW with -console and it didn't give me the console |
| 07:24.01 | Mikord | you have to put -console on the end of the shortcut to the game then hit the ~ to bring it up |
| 07:24.11 | Thrae | Ahhhhh, yes now I remember. |
| 07:24.21 | Thrae | Kirov: Yes, Shadowed already corrected me ;) |
| 07:24.50 | Mikord | You can expand it to full screen, but after that you can't see any more :\ |
| 07:26.47 | Kirov | Is the console part of the client? |
| 07:27.06 | Kirov | I've never seen any reference to it in lua |
| 07:28.24 | Thrae | The console is where CVars show and can be set, so I would say...no :D |
| 07:28.26 | Mikord | I downed the fontsize for it. Hard to read |
| 07:28.37 | Mikord | but I can see more |
| 07:28.57 | Thrae | Or it might use embedded Lua |
| 07:29.55 | Mikord | awww no gm commands hah |
| 07:30.01 | Mikord | It comes up with a big NONE |
| 07:30.32 | Thrae | Yeah, that would take the millions of users a full 2 seconds to activate them :D |
| 07:30.43 | Mikord | aye |
| 07:32.29 | Mikord | aye to write a mod launcher that automagically sets readTOS and readEULA in the config.wtf |
| 07:32.32 | Mikord | ah* |
| 07:32.44 | Thrae | "UberTooltips" ...? |
| 07:32.47 | Mikord | no more clicking ok 200,000 times on every upgrade |
| 07:33.10 | Shadowed | So I just realised, but the floating combat text Blizzard is adding doesn't include any way to add custom ones does it? |
| 07:33.20 | Shadowed | like SCT and sct_event_whatever.lua |
| 07:33.21 | *** join/#wowi-lounge RelSleep (n=Relvox@bzq-88-153-74-217.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 07:33.33 | Thrae | Shadowed: You'd probably have to hook their functions |
| 07:33.42 | Thrae | But it's all Lua driven, so it's open. |
| 07:33.45 | Shadowed | time to write an addon to convert SCT ones into blizzards |
| 07:34.05 | Thrae | Mikord: What's the command to set a variable on the console? |
| 07:34.07 | Mikord | I think I saw that those 1.12 patch notes were all fake a CM postd |
| 07:34.20 | Mikord | set var, val |
| 07:34.24 | Thrae | Mikord: No, the SCT Blizzie thing is real |
| 07:34.40 | Thrae | There are real 0.12 PTR patch notes floating around now |
| 07:34.51 | Thrae | As people can actually get into the PTR, and read the release notes from the patch |
| 07:35.28 | Shadowed | curse-gaming.com |
| 07:35.43 | Shadowed | Thrae: you can't get on the server, but you can install/download the patch |
| 07:35.55 | Thrae | Shadowed: Right, and hence read the notes |
| 07:36.51 | Shadowed | fsssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 07:36.54 | Shadowed | damnit die rogues |
| 07:38.14 | Thrae | ....Haha |
| 07:38.21 | Thrae | "Detailed Tooltips" == "UberTooltips" |
| 07:38.26 | Thrae | Gotta love programmers. |
| 07:38.45 | Thrae | Sorry, "Enhanced Tooltips" |
| 07:38.46 | Mikord | only certain ppl can get on the PTR right now or? |
| 07:39.19 | Shadowed | nobody can |
| 07:39.37 | Shadowed | They were going to bring them up today hence why the downloader was released, but they still had more to do so the current ETA is monday |
| 07:40.02 | Mikord | well that will be interesting |
| 07:43.06 | Shadowed | so it's offical |
| 07:43.19 | Shadowed | when you have 4 rogues on the enemy team during a warsong gulch match, it sucks when they all decide to kill you |
| 07:43.42 | Thrae | You must be a caster, or just unlucky ;) |
| 07:44.06 | Shadowed | I'm a warrior who could kill 2-3 of them at once, but can't when i'm chain stunlocked :p |
| 07:44.06 | Thrae | You can't be the flag runner / bearer, because we all know Rogues don't play in teams :D |
| 07:44.54 | Mikord | So from the patch notes I just read, it looks like a scaled down version of SCT and MSBT then. |
| 07:45.21 | Thrae | But of course. Logically, you'd want to give a smaller version and up it from there, rather then add in tons of bloat right from the start. |
| 07:46.00 | Shadowed | it looks pretty configurable |
| 07:46.08 | Shadowed | from looking at the code |
| 07:46.16 | Thrae | Not nearly as SCT or MSBT, of course. |
| 07:46.38 | Thrae | But it'll probably be enough for most people. We have yet to see if it'll be coded as well ;) |
| 07:46.40 | Shadowed | no, but it's not like it has no features |
| 07:46.41 | Mikord | aye well I'm off for the night. See ya later. |
| 07:46.46 | Shadowed | Thrae: Check wdn |
| 07:46.52 | Shadowed | diffs are already up |
| 07:46.59 | Thrae | Those can change |
| 07:47.14 | Thrae | I've seen good code on PTR go worse on release |
| 07:47.26 | Shadowed | Assuming they don't change it to be worst, they are pretty configurable currently |
| 07:48.55 | Shadowed | also, anyone have any idea why http://pastebin.ca/88718 doesn't seem to want to add stuff to the dropdown? |
| 07:49.14 | Thrae | Use Dewdrop for your dropdowns! |
| 07:49.20 | Shadowed | I'm not including a libary |
| 07:49.23 | Thrae | It's soooo much better then Blizzard's stock. |
| 07:49.27 | Shadowed | for one dropdown :p |
| 07:49.46 | Thrae | But it's sexy! Like a fox. Like a sexy fox. |
| 07:50.19 | Shadowed | I would love to use something thats not crazy like blizzards, but I'm not going to tell my users to download Dewdrop or keep track of it for only two dropdowns |
| 07:50.23 | AnduinLothar | Ossi down, woot |
| 07:50.40 | Shadowed | grats |
| 07:50.48 | Thrae | Shadowed: It's an embedded library. |
| 07:51.00 | AnduinLothar | dps gear += Bracers of Brutality |
| 07:51.21 | Thrae | Dewdrop-1.2 is very stable, ckknight is now up to Dewdrop-2.0 |
| 07:51.42 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: What's an Ossi? (Level 49 Druid) |
| 07:51.42 | Shadowed | still, I rather not include something extra thats not needed. I'm guessing the issue is really just some small thing i'm missing |
| 07:51.49 | Shadowed | Ossirian the unscarred, AQ20 final boss |
| 07:51.59 | Thrae | Ah, gotcha. |
| 07:52.17 | Thrae | I've been too damn busy coding in my usual WoW time. |
| 07:52.24 | Thrae | Must...get...at least...one...60! |
| 07:52.32 | AnduinLothar | Bracers of Brutality: Plate, 21str, 12agi, 9sta |
| 07:52.45 | Shadowed | yeah those are nice, i use them |
| 07:52.48 | Thrae | We need a Thottbot Bot here ;) |
| 07:53.49 | Shadowed | Allahkzam has better info usually |
| 07:54.28 | Thrae | Well I mentioned Thottbot because we have a few supporters in here ;) |
| 07:55.38 | Cairenn | take your pick, they are both part of Zam.com |
| 07:55.46 | Thrae | Then I could show off my excellent Druid Gear -- [ Harness of Lameness ] +50% Run Speed -90% Melee Damage -90% Spell Damage +20 Stamina Chance On Hit: Kill the wearer instantly. |
| 07:56.24 | Shadowed | well, thottbot is usually faster. but for stuff that recently came out alla is better |
| 07:56.29 | AnduinLothar | zam.com fwds strait to alla |
| 07:57.01 | Thrae | Cairenn: Really? I thought Thottbot was the only one with roots to IGE. |
| 07:58.30 | Shadowed | hmmm weird |
| 07:58.53 | Thrae | It's odd that the same company can own two competing sites. I guess they don't want to risk one sites' bad stigma affecting the other if they merged. |
| 07:58.54 | Shadowed | RequestBattlefieldScoreData has something that wont let you call it as soon as the score data is recieved |
| 07:59.24 | Cairenn | Thrae: http://www.allakhazam.com/news/sdetail7293.html |
| 08:01.18 | AnduinLothar | by a few days they mean a few months |
| 08:03.04 | Thrae | Eww. Well, at least I have something to tell people that say "I don't use Thottbot because of IGE, I use Alla!" |
| 08:04.14 | Cairenn | eww? |
| 08:05.32 | Thrae | Although I love WoWInterface, and have no qualms about OGaming, I'd be lying if I said I liked a company that owns IGE, or IGE itself. |
| 08:05.57 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 08:05.57 | Thrae | Then again, I don't like big business much at all. They get away with way too much in America. |
| 08:08.08 | Thrae | It disappointed me when I learned of the OGaming affiliations, not because they or Cairenn "sold out", but because such a situation occured in the first place. It's the fault of that company up top that things turned out this way. |
| 08:08.50 | Cairenn | what is, is |
| 08:09.10 | Cairenn | and on that note and the fact it's 4am here, I'm for bed |
| 08:09.14 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 08:09.39 | Thrae | G'night...sorry for dregging up a dead horse topic like that. |
| 08:09.55 | Cairenn|sleep | no worries, at least you aren't a complete ass about it |
| 08:12.46 | AnduinLothar | night cair |
| 08:17.08 | AnduinLothar | BTW, the new Muse album is Epic |
| 08:17.33 | Thrae | Epic! *sells on Ebay* |
| 08:17.34 | AnduinLothar | esp "Supermassive Black Holes" and "Knights Of Cydonia" |
| 08:22.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge quoin (n=mhowell@220-244-238-117-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) |
| 08:23.13 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zespri (i=andrew@124.197.8.6) |
| 08:25.06 | AnduinLothar | Enfos! |
| 08:51.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge quoin (n=mhowell@220-244-238-117-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) |
| 08:54.55 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Andalia (n=xx@p54AD9C85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:09.25 | *** join/#wowi-lounge mikk (i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 09:09.32 | ckknight | Shadowed, Dewdrop is embedded. |
| 09:09.56 | Kirov | Dewdrop? |
| 09:12.00 | ckknight | it's a dropdown replacement I wrote |
| 09:12.15 | ckknight | like Blizzard's, only it doesn't suck nearly as much |
| 09:14.03 | Shadowed | ckknight: Yeah I know |
| 09:14.17 | *** join/#wowi-lounge wereHamster (n=tomc@gw.ptr-62-65-141-13.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 09:14.24 | Shadowed | I just rather not include something that i'm only going to use for two dropdowns, since i'm sure the issue is just I missed one little silly line |
| 09:14.25 | ckknight | so users don't have to download it separately |
| 09:14.46 | ckknight | do what you want |
| 09:40.44 | *** join/#wowi-lounge RelSleep (n=Relvox@bzq-88-153-74-217.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 09:52.06 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tarog (n=rat@ip68-230-57-60.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 09:58.47 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (n=ckknight@rrcs-67-53-204-251.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 10:15.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ag` (n=Andreas@0x535cbbaa.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 10:19.08 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (n=Jonathan@host81-151-106-174.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 10:23.30 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mery (i=metelman@p54AEFC92.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:25.45 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mery2 (i=metelman@p54AEE419.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:02.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mery (i=metelman@p54AEE419.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:03.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mery (i=metelman@p54AEE419.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:16.24 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Grumpey (n=Owner@dialup-4.152.210.143.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 11:37.05 | esp|Syn | w00t |
| 11:37.09 | esp|Syn | two mods sumbitted now :D |
| 11:41.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge RelSleep (n=Relvox@bzq-88-153-74-217.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 11:54.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge AnduinLothar (n=KarlKFI@ip68-106-219-78.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 12:24.41 | esp|Syn | if ( event == "UPDATE_FACTION" ) then |
| 12:24.45 | esp|Syn | that work? |
| 12:29.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Andalia_ (n=xx@p54ADA01D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:52.32 | esp|Syn | whats a "stack overflow" |
| 12:53.02 | Corrodias | when you put too much onto the stack and it overflows into other memory |
| 12:53.16 | Corrodias | or, more likely, your memory manager catches an attempt to do so and prevents it. |
| 12:53.38 | esp|Syn | ok.. whats a stack |
| 12:54.00 | Corrodias | or possibly there's just some sort of predefined limit to the number of items or amount of data you can put onto a stack and you attempt to exceed that |
| 12:54.37 | esp|Syn | stil..whats a stack |
| 12:54.45 | Corrodias | a stack is intended to be a first-in-last-out data structure |
| 12:54.52 | Corrodias | in the context of your problem, i have absolutely no idea |
| 12:55.02 | esp|Syn | o-0 |
| 12:55.10 | esp|Syn | i get it when calling a function |
| 12:55.24 | Corrodias | that is, you push A, B, C onto the stack, and then when you "pop" off the top, you get "C" back |
| 12:55.47 | Corrodias | an overflow is typically caused by infinite recursion or too-deep recursion |
| 12:56.19 | Corrodias | "the stack" usually refers to the execution stack of the environment your code is running in |
| 12:56.37 | esp|Syn | Basically. i moved a function call within the called function. lower down |
| 12:56.40 | esp|Syn | and now it works |
| 12:57.11 | Corrodias | i just sneezed |
| 13:00.45 | *** join/#wowi-lounge RelSleep (n=Relvox@bzq-88-153-74-217.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 13:06.54 | *** join/#wowi-lounge quoin (n=mhowell@220-244-238-117-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) |
| 13:11.39 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Grumpey (n=Owner@dialup-4.152.210.143.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 13:22.53 | esp|Syn | whats the opposite of math.floor |
| 13:35.49 | zenzelezz | ceil? |
| 13:39.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge trouble (i=trouble@p5089CE31.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:47.41 | esp|Syn | yeah i got it thnx :) |
| 13:47.52 | esp|Syn | wow |
| 13:47.58 | esp|Syn | i posted my mod at 4am this morning |
| 13:48.08 | esp|Syn | its already got 120+ downloads |
| 13:51.18 | AnduinLothar | what's it do? |
| 13:56.54 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Legorol (i=legorol@cpc2-cmbg6-0-0-cust566.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) |
| 13:57.14 | esp|Syn | Just tracks how much rep you need before you increase standing |
| 13:57.24 | Legorol | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=414788&p=1&tmp=1#post414788 |
| 13:57.30 | Legorol | Somnifer's reply cracked me up |
| 13:57.35 | Legorol | Imo, the OP deserves it |
| 14:02.43 | zenzelezz | quite agree |
| 14:03.36 | Mikma | Legorol: that url you pasted... |
| 14:03.55 | Mikma | Legorol: http://forums.nurfed.com/showthread.php?t=10480 |
| 14:04.45 | AnduinLothar | How much rep you need? |
| 14:05.03 | AnduinLothar | currLevelMax - CurrRep? |
| 14:34.48 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=George@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 14:58.59 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Legorol (i=legorol@cpc2-cmbg6-0-0-cust566.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) |
| 15:01.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge RelSleep (n=Relvox@bzq-88-153-74-217.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 15:05.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (n=Jonathan@host81-151-106-174.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 15:12.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@115-60.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 15:12.35 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Beladona] by ChanServ |
| 15:12.47 | Beladona | is test down? |
| 15:14.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cide (i=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 15:15.03 | Tain | Dunno, I'm downloading the new test patch right now though. |
| 15:20.34 | Beladona | I can't seem to |
| 15:20.41 | Beladona | wow web page isn't coming up now |
| 15:20.51 | Beladona | and it doesn't download when I log in |
| 15:21.31 | Shadowed | Beladona: The test was suppose to come up yesterday but they still had stuff to do, so the ETA is about monday |
| 15:22.46 | Beladona | jerks |
| 15:23.01 | Beladona | so 0.12.0.5496 is still the latest ptr right? |
| 15:28.06 | Shadowed | looks like it |
| 15:55.44 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zespri|home (i=andrew@124.197.5.182) |
| 16:10.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cogwheel (n=chatzill@67.188.231.45) |
| 16:10.12 | AnduinLothar | yay for virtual outfit inheritance.. |
| 16:16.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Parak (i=PROFI@user-0cev737.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 16:20.21 | AnduinLothar | morning cair |
| 16:20.29 | Cairenn | hey |
| 16:24.15 | AnduinLothar | this is a nightmare |
| 16:24.49 | AnduinLothar | trying to remember what you were wearing before you entered a plaguezone |
| 16:25.10 | AnduinLothar | and have it work on or off of a mount |
| 16:25.16 | AnduinLothar | but not swap until you dismount |
| 16:25.39 | AnduinLothar | my brains are on fire |
| 16:28.28 | wereHamster | you have more than one? O.o |
| 16:28.45 | AnduinLothar | don't you? |
| 16:28.55 | AnduinLothar | freak! |
| 16:33.19 | esp|Syn | 217 downloads of my mod in a little over 12 hours |
| 16:33.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Atreo (i=bigman@c-68-47-136-187.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) |
| 16:33.44 | Atreo | yo anyone around for brain picking? |
| 16:34.30 | Cairenn | folks are around |
| 16:34.56 | Atreo | trying to create a message frame similar to UiError, but i've no clue how |
| 16:35.02 | Atreo | is it something created in the xml or the lua? |
| 16:38.43 | AnduinLothar | most all blizz frames are xml |
| 16:40.54 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ToastTheif (i=ToastThe@24-177-162-9.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 16:51.17 | wereHamster | AoE can be so nice.. http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/Naxxramas-AoE.mp4 |
| 16:55.15 | *** join/#wowi-lounge qw` (n=qw@cm-84.211.225.218.chello.no) |
| 16:56.20 | Shadowed | Why must drop downs suck so much to work with :/ |
| 16:58.10 | AnduinLothar | they aren't that bad once you get friendly with them |
| 16:58.22 | AnduinLothar | er... nm.. they're horrible |
| 16:58.22 | Shadowed | I |
| 16:58.35 | Shadowed | I've put debug code everywhere and everything says that they are working fine, except the whole thing |
| 17:00.59 | *** join/#wowi-lounge esp|Syn (n=ben@comsecgb.plus.com) |
| 17:01.04 | esp|Syn | damnabale thing |
| 17:02.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge RelSleep (n=Relvox@bzq-88-153-74-217.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 17:18.34 | wereHamster | hyperChipmunk, morning |
| 17:26.35 | qw` | http://www.soosed.com/images/zidane-hammer.gif |
| 17:27.31 | hyperChipmunk | wereHamster: aloo! |
| 17:28.07 | wereHamster | did you try sending an item CoD while BulkMail is enabled? |
| 17:28.21 | hyperChipmunk | no |
| 17:28.30 | hyperChipmunk | i've never used cod O_o |
| 17:30.21 | wereHamster | I have no idea what it could cause, but this little script also doesn't work: http://pastebin.ca/89015 |
| 17:30.28 | wereHamster | it sends the item, but not CoD |
| 17:31.06 | hyperChipmunk | SendMailMoney sends the money |
| 17:31.35 | hyperChipmunk | that script would send your money to someone else |
| 17:32.21 | wereHamster | now if you click the CoD radio button |
| 17:32.46 | wereHamster | you can choose whether to send the money or send the item CoD |
| 17:35.36 | Corrodias | woo hoo, i made my first wikipedia edit |
| 17:36.10 | Kaso | What the fuck |
| 17:36.16 | Corrodias | i switched a link in a medical article from saline (disambiguation page) to saline_(medicine) (the relevant page) |
| 17:36.24 | Corrodias | i'm so cool |
| 17:36.25 | Kaso | PEW had an arg1 ^_- |
| 17:37.11 | Corrodias | and now i'm in bed. [away] |
| 17:37.26 | Cide | probably still set from the last event |
| 17:37.33 | Cide | or set by some mod |
| 17:37.52 | Kaso | how odd. |
| 17:38.10 | Kaso | yeh that makes sense though |
| 17:39.30 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:39.43 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 17:42.13 | Cairenn | morning Iriel |
| 17:44.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge kaiden (n=kaiden@63.251.174.3) |
| 17:45.22 | Iriel | I'm likely going to have spotty connectivity for a bit so dont be too surprised if I drop off randomly |
| 17:45.51 | Cairenn | given the thunderstorm going on here at present, I wouldn't be surprised if I drop as well |
| 17:46.31 | kaiden | Hey guys, anyone know of a lua editor with syntax highlighting / auto completion |
| 17:46.35 | kaiden | for mac osx |
| 17:47.52 | cladhaire | you could compile scite |
| 17:47.56 | cladhaire | or likely download it. |
| 17:48.23 | kaiden | ah ok thanks and i'm assuming it either has it built in or theres an external syntax file i can load |
| 17:48.30 | cladhaire | correct |
| 17:48.41 | cladhaire | its a pretty easy format.. and i have a distro for win32.. so i can help you if you need. |
| 17:48.55 | cladhaire | i'm sure there are others, but thats' off the top of my head |
| 17:50.23 | kaiden | thanks clad btw, love clique ;) |
| 17:50.31 | cladhaire | glad to hear it |
| 17:50.31 | kaiden | been abusing it for writing scripts on my priest |
| 17:50.34 | cladhaire | hehehe |
| 17:50.41 | cladhaire | anything i can provide to make the scripts easier |
| 17:50.46 | cladhaire | like CastSpell, IsBuffActive, etc? |
| 17:51.22 | kaiden | hrmph, that might help others i just use DiscordMacroFunctions by default because it has so many functions i find useful, useitembyname checkforbuff checkfordebuff checkforstatus |
| 17:51.23 | kaiden | etc |
| 17:51.41 | cladhaire | i'll take a loolk at em. |
| 17:53.12 | ag` | kaiden, BBEdit |
| 17:53.28 | kaiden | i'm trying to stay away from buying more software for the mac |
| 17:53.39 | kaiden | only had it 2 months and i've already spent like 600 bucks on software |
| 17:53.40 | kaiden | heh |
| 17:57.49 | cladhaire | what did you buy? |
| 17:58.04 | cladhaire | i'm waiting for the tower |
| 17:59.46 | kaiden | for imac? 20" WideScreen iMac Intel Dual Core 2.1ghz w/2gb of ram |
| 18:00.12 | cladhaire | very cool |
| 18:00.17 | cladhaire | i'm waiting for WWDC |
| 18:00.40 | cladhaire | and then i'll probably snag the tower |
| 18:02.37 | kaiden | i am happy i got the imac, i take it back and forth to work even though it's a bit heavy (not as heavy as a tower would have been though :) |
| 18:02.49 | cladhaire | to work? lol |
| 18:02.49 | cladhaire | nice |
| 18:04.03 | kaiden | yeah it's my home toy but i bring it into the office to expand my abilities, thanks to microsoft having nifty software out for osx like remote desktop connection manager |
| 18:11.27 | Kaso | wtf, since 1.11.2 we can replace Sound files in teh data folder ^_- |
| 18:15.31 | Kaso | I wonder if model replacing works again |
| 18:22.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kebinusan (i=Kebinusa@adsl-68-22-153-84.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) |
| 18:24.00 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-67-53-204-251.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 18:48.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Elkano (n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-163.handshake.de) |
| 19:10.31 | *** join/#wowi-lounge chuckg (i=chuckg@66-237-5-116.starstream.net) |
| 19:16.36 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=George@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 19:20.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@c-24-130-132-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:26.52 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@c-24-130-132-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:34.50 | Elkano | Dolby-wowi, are you there? |
| 19:45.09 | Kirkburn | Isn't it an odd realisation when you notice that nearly all fairy tales are sick, twisted, immoral and usually contain maniacs? Take Peter Pan for example (film on atm) - he's not a nice person :/ |
| 19:45.58 | Elkano | doesn't that make them even better? |
| 19:46.06 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 19:46.34 | esp|Syn | any warlock here? |
| 19:46.39 | Kirkburn | Cinderella and Rumplestiltskin are actually very rude, but no-one notices |
| 19:46.54 | Kirkburn | I'm a warlock |
| 19:47.04 | Elkano | Rumplestiltskin? ZOMG ^^ |
| 19:47.14 | esp|Syn | wana explain to me how the whole "Soul shard" thing works |
| 19:47.52 | Kirkburn | Now, I hate to destroy iddylic images ... but just think of the name and what it could be referring to :) The girl sits on a stick, remember. |
| 19:48.02 | Elkano | you drain them from dieing creatures and use them as reagents for some spells |
| 19:48.04 | Kirkburn | Some lock spells require soul shards to cast them |
| 19:48.16 | Kirkburn | Pet summons and some especially powerful spells |
| 19:48.45 | Kirkburn | You cast a channeled DoT on creatures - if they die whilst it's active, you get the shard |
| 19:48.53 | esp|Syn | Right |
| 19:48.56 | esp|Syn | that makes much more sence |
| 19:49.00 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 19:49.05 | esp|Syn | someone wants a mod to log "soul shard killed mobs" |
| 19:49.24 | esp|Syn | and i got confused thinking soul shard was an attack |
| 19:49.51 | Kirkburn | (also, for cinderella, it wasn't originally a glass slipper, it was a fur slipper. The prince checked out fur slippers. What does that suggest to you? :O ) |
| 19:50.15 | esp|Syn | rabbits |
| 19:50.20 | esp|Syn | and lazy sundays |
| 19:50.35 | esp|Syn | why.. whats it suggest to YOU? |
| 19:50.47 | Kirkburn | Much the same thing |
| 19:50.50 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 19:50.53 | esp|Syn | :P |
| 19:51.21 | Kirkburn | Strange that he wants to log mobs that return soul shards - it shows that anyway in the general log |
| 19:51.39 | Kirkburn | (it comes up as loot) |
| 19:51.59 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ven (n=ven@dyndsl-085-016-153-103.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 19:52.04 | esp|Syn | You know the "book of the dead" mod |
| 19:52.25 | Kirkburn | Come across a few times, never really looked at it though |
| 19:52.28 | esp|Syn | he wants something like that, but only for those kills that give a soulshard |
| 19:52.47 | Kirkburn | Sounds pointless |
| 19:52.52 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 19:53.13 | Kirkburn | I mean, who cares where you get soul shards from :/ |
| 19:53.35 | Kirkburn | It's entirely the choice of the warlock when he gets them |
| 19:55.26 | esp|Syn | no sure why |
| 19:55.40 | esp|Syn | basically just loggin when where and what the shards came from |
| 20:00.15 | esp|Syn | what the hell is UICentral? |
| 20:22.59 | Kirkburn | A way of updating addons quickly |
| 20:28.00 | esp|Syn | ahh lazy persons thing then |
| 20:28.14 | esp|Syn | someone bitching my mod is .rar because UICentral dosnt support .rar |
| 20:36.12 | esp|Syn | ugh |
| 20:36.21 | esp|Syn | anyone watching csi on 5? |
| 20:42.44 | Kirkburn | *Amazing* underwater creature pics: http://www.serpentproject.com/imagecomp_cat3short.php |
| 20:50.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge snurre (n=snurre@AVelizy-153-1-13-21.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:55.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge hyperChipmunk (n=staharaj@d14-69-214-77.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 21:06.36 | esp|Syn | gah . if i knew how to write xml for wow |
| 21:06.42 | esp|Syn | i could make much better addons :/ |
| 21:07.57 | Kaso | dont worry, the really leet coders dont use Xml :> |
| 21:08.40 | Legorol | Kaso: but the really really leet coders know that XML is powerful and has its purpose, and use it when necessary |
| 21:09.07 | Kaso | ha :> |
| 21:09.08 | Legorol | you only reach the supremacy of leetness when you know how to use every feature available, and more importantly know when to use it |
| 21:09.17 | esp|Syn | but im neither a "really leet coder" nor even a "fair decent coder" |
| 21:09.29 | Legorol | esp|Syn: maybe i can help you with the XML? |
| 21:09.31 | esp|Syn | im a "Almost able" coder without a clue about xml :P |
| 21:09.37 | Legorol | i'm not really really leet, but i know about the XML ;_) |
| 21:09.55 | Legorol | and, unlike other leet coders here, prefer that to doing stuff in Lua :) |
| 21:10.31 | esp|Syn | Well. im trying to make a frame to display a scrollable list of names, with several columns of information about each name |
| 21:10.42 | esp|Syn | and possibly a sort and search feature |
| 21:10.51 | esp|Syn | upto now.. i have a frame |
| 21:10.53 | esp|Syn | its square |
| 21:11.09 | esp|Syn | well.. more rectangle |
| 21:12.39 | Legorol | that's a start ;-) |
| 21:12.54 | esp|Syn | it even has a scrollbar |
| 21:12.58 | Legorol | yay! |
| 21:13.08 | Legorol | although it probably shouldn't be the frame that you attach the scrollbar to |
| 21:13.22 | Legorol | i'd take a look at the code for frames such as the guild tab |
| 21:13.25 | Legorol | in the default UI |
| 21:13.36 | Legorol | that has the kind of structure you want: columns, headers, sorting, scrolling |
| 21:21.54 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Depherios (n=Deph@67.189.88.161) |
| 21:23.33 | esp|Syn | argh its not in the friends frame aint it? |
| 21:23.39 | Legorol | it is |
| 21:23.43 | Legorol | FriendsFrame.xml |
| 21:23.46 | esp|Syn | :( |
| 21:23.51 | Legorol | in summary, the structure is this: |
| 21:23.58 | Legorol | There's a GuildFrame |
| 21:24.16 | Legorol | Then there are two sub-frames, GuildPlayerStatusFrame and GuildStatusFrame |
| 21:24.20 | Legorol | these two are almost identical, |
| 21:24.36 | Legorol | one's used when you want to display name/rank/label etc. |
| 21:24.45 | Legorol | the other is used when you switch over to displaying name/zone/ etc. |
| 21:24.50 | Legorol | but their structure is similar |
| 21:25.01 | Legorol | let's take, for example, GuildStatusFrame |
| 21:25.27 | Legorol | this frame is anchored to the GuildFrame and has, as its children, the column headers |
| 21:25.42 | Legorol | e.g. GuildFrameGuildStatusColumnHeader1 |
| 21:26.02 | Legorol | it also has, as its children, the set of buttons that are used as entries in the scrollable list |
| 21:26.07 | Legorol | GuildFrameGuildStatusButton1 etc. |
| 21:26.28 | Legorol | the scrollable list is done with a different widget though, namely GuildListScrollFrame |
| 21:26.43 | Legorol | GuildListScrollFrame is a widget of type ScrollFrame, anchored relative to GuildFrame |
| 21:26.48 | Legorol | it inherits FauxScrollFrameTemplate |
| 21:27.13 | Legorol | FauxScrollFrames are used when you want to create a scrollable list of items |
| 21:27.21 | esp|Syn | yep done that |
| 21:27.22 | esp|Syn | used the tutorial |
| 21:27.25 | Legorol | cool |
| 21:27.54 | Legorol | in the case of the guild frame, the GuildListScrollFrame is used to implement the scrollbar, the current ofset etc. |
| 21:28.02 | Legorol | the main trick is as follows: |
| 21:28.23 | Legorol | you have the set of Buttons, GuildFrameGuildStatusButton1, GuildFrameGuildStatusButton2 etc. which are permanently and statically anchored to the GuildFrame |
| 21:28.27 | Legorol | one below the other |
| 21:28.33 | Legorol | however, their *contents* changes |
| 21:28.54 | Legorol | as you scroll the scrollbar of the GuildListScrollFrame, the GuildStatus_Update() function gets called |
| 21:29.21 | Legorol | GuildStatus_Update queries the GuildListScrollFrame for the current scroll offset, and fills in the GuildFrameGuildStatusButtonX elements appropriately |
| 21:30.20 | Legorol | Sorting is implemented via the column headers, which have OnClick methods |
| 21:30.28 | esp|Syn | hrm see |
| 21:30.48 | *** part/#wowi-lounge wereHamster (n=tomc@gw.ptr-62-65-141-13.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 21:30.55 | Legorol | basically most of the gruntwork is done in GuildStatus_Update |
| 21:31.15 | esp|Syn | the ways the tutorial does it, uses an array of values, and the buttons on the scrollbar move the offset, and the offset becomes the elements of the array displayed |
| 21:31.25 | Legorol | its that function's responsibility to fill in the contents of the GuildFrameGuildStatusButtonX objects depending on what the current sorting is, and what the current scroll offset is |
| 21:31.54 | Legorol | esp|Syn: which tutorial? |
| 21:32.19 | esp|Syn | from wow wiki |
| 21:34.52 | Legorol | right, i see it |
| 21:35.00 | Legorol | yeah that tutorial is saying the same thing |
| 21:37.32 | Legorol | esp|Syn: so what are you stuck on in particular |
| 21:40.49 | esp|Syn | not so much stuck on anything |
| 21:41.10 | esp|Syn | i just didnt know what to do, to make the frame |
| 21:41.15 | Kirkburn | Wow, 1.12 is tiny - only 11.5Mb |
| 21:44.29 | Legorol | yup |
| 21:46.51 | Elkano | well, almost no new data, neither zones nor items |
| 21:48.01 | Kirkburn | It's somewhat evident now that they're working on the expansion :P |
| 21:48.32 | Kirkburn | My guess is we'll be seeing a beta test in maybe 2 months |
| 21:52.05 | Kirkburn | I'm intrigued by this: "New floating combat text has been added to the game with a number of options. You can see when you take damage, when you are healed and how much, when you acquire and lose auras and much more. You can turn on the new options in the newly revised options screen." |
| 21:52.15 | Kirkburn | It's effectively sct, no? |
| 21:53.13 | Kirkburn | Very nice change, imo :) |
| 21:56.19 | Elkano | but I still hope for a CTA style Blizzard addon |
| 22:00.36 | Kirkburn | Back to D2 ... see if I can finish Act 2 today |
| 22:04.15 | esp|Syn | You know |
| 22:04.24 | esp|Syn | basically blizzard are making the popular mods |
| 22:04.27 | esp|Syn | and interigrating them |
| 22:04.34 | esp|Syn | there doing it to CT_Raid |
| 22:04.50 | esp|Syn | that.. was a god awful spelling even for me |
| 22:04.56 | esp|Syn | brb |
| 22:04.58 | Gryphen | makes sense, there is a reason they are popular |
| 22:05.12 | esp|Syn | And its better all round |
| 22:05.20 | esp|Syn | intigrated run faster and smoother... sometimes |
| 22:07.30 | esp|Syn | you coding Guru's need to write more tutorials and how to's |
| 22:07.31 | esp|Syn | you know |
| 22:10.53 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Elkano^wtf (n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-163.handshake.de) |
| 22:14.23 | Mikk | Actually, nearly nothing that blizzard makes is automagically faster or smoother. They're coding it in Lua, same as us. |
| 22:15.04 | Mikk | Granted, they can do _some_ stuff that we'll never be able to, like decide to put icons over the heads of mobs =) |
| 22:15.31 | esp|Syn | and use function restricted from us |
| 22:15.44 | Gryphen | that is what he said :D |
| 22:15.57 | esp|Syn | write new functions within the code too |
| 22:16.02 | Shadowed | Mikk: or add a new event that makes it faster/easier to do combat log parsing |
| 22:16.15 | Mikk | mm |
| 22:16.46 | esp|Syn | but then. im not sure hell good blizzard are at actually Implamenting things well |
| 22:16.49 | Mikk | actually, the new SCT-alike is probably faster. they probably did that bit in C, since they already have it for the stuff that goes over mobs' heads |
| 22:17.15 | Shadowed | Well, they also don't have to do a lot of string searching since they basically built it in with COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE |
| 22:17.20 | esp|Syn | not that it will make that much diffrence to the average user |
| 22:17.40 | esp|Syn | that reminds me FACTION_UPDATE |
| 22:17.49 | esp|Syn | does that event not work anymore or something? |
| 22:17.55 | Mikk | How so? |
| 22:18.20 | esp|Syn | well its supposed to trigger whenever reputation with a faction changes |
| 22:18.22 | esp|Syn | but.. it dosnt |
| 22:18.26 | Mikk | meh |
| 22:18.43 | esp|Syn | or actually |
| 22:18.53 | esp|Syn | that could be titan panel fucxoring it over |
| 22:19.10 | esp|Syn | ive grown a new hatred for TP |
| 22:19.27 | esp|Syn | Thinking of getting one of those cool interface things with the central hud |
| 22:19.41 | Mikk | it is prudent to watch what you're saying about addons in this channel =P |
| 22:19.53 | Mikk | you never know whose author might be listening |
| 22:20.06 | esp|Syn | if the TP author is here |
| 22:20.11 | esp|Syn | then id love to have a word with him :/ |
| 22:20.37 | esp|Syn | but from what i hear |
| 22:20.43 | esp|Syn | the original author is dead or summat |
| 22:20.45 | Elkano^wtf | does TP's author still play WoW at all? |
| 22:20.52 | esp|Syn | i dont think so |
| 22:21.10 | esp|Syn | hence why its so hard for new developers to write addons for it... no docs :( |
| 22:21.23 | Shadowed | It can't be *that* bad |
| 22:21.42 | esp|Syn | it can |
| 22:21.58 | esp|Syn | ALOT of custom "Required" functions |
| 22:22.06 | Elkano^wtf | if we all stop supporting TP, maybe they'll all turn over to FuBar... ;) |
| 22:22.07 | esp|Syn | with little or no documentation |
| 22:22.25 | Shadowed | I'd write some stuff for FuBar if i had a reason to :p |
| 22:22.32 | Shadowed | i pretty much deleted titan panel after about an hour of using it though |
| 22:22.37 | esp|Syn | ive never used it |
| 22:22.50 | esp|Syn | its the best ive used so far |
| 22:23.04 | esp|Syn | and i have this annoying thing were i hate too much change at once |
| 22:26.48 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tuplad (n=tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be) |
| 22:26.56 | Tuplad | erm |
| 22:27.19 | Tuplad | how do I add GetComboPoints() >= 1 to http://users.telenet.be/tuplad/wow/CBEvis/CBEvis.lua ? |
| 22:27.29 | Tuplad | "if ( UnitMana("player") >= 35 ) then" in that :D |
| 22:27.46 | Shadowed | if( UnitMana("player") >= 35 and GetComboPoints() >= 1 ) then |
| 22:28.07 | Mikk | ... |
| 22:28.43 | Shadowed | thats what i'm guessing he was wondering |
| 22:29.31 | esp|Syn | so glad i took the time to read that |
| 22:29.57 | esp|Syn | at first glace. i thought it said "feels a bit of siemen coming out but suppresses it" |
| 22:30.22 | Mikk | aye, one of these days i'm going to start spouting consumer electronics |
| 22:30.44 | esp|Syn | lol |
| 22:30.51 | Mikk | purl, emulate Saien |
| 22:30.53 | purl | Slash commands are ameturish. |
| 22:31.21 | Mikk | grrr.. purl's gotten a spam filter =( |
| 22:32.29 | esp|Syn | who wrote purl? |
| 22:33.53 | Mikk | ~about |
| 22:33.54 | purl | methinks help is /msg purl help |
| 22:34.03 | Mikk | ~help |
| 22:34.06 | End | ~rock |
| 22:34.07 | purl | paper, I win. |
| 22:34.20 | End | noooo |
| 22:34.22 | End | you chated! |
| 22:34.26 | End | cheated |
| 22:34.29 | End | same difference |
| 22:35.49 | Mikk | purl, nickometer #wowi-lounge |
| 22:36.06 | Elkano^wtf | ??? |
| 22:36.13 | Mikk | Wonder what that means =) |
| 22:36.39 | esp|Syn | ~crypt 694 coded |
| 22:36.39 | purl | 694T8DB5CzU8c |
| 22:36.45 | esp|Syn | :D |
| 22:37.22 | Wobin | ~help nickometer |
| 22:37.36 | Wobin | Desc: Measures the lame-ness of a nick or channel |
| 22:37.47 | Wobin | ahahah |
| 22:37.51 | Mikk | Whoa. Nickometer for Mikk1 is 22%. |
| 22:37.55 | Wobin | ~nickometer Wobin |
| 22:38.01 | Wobin | woohoo! |
| 22:38.14 | End | ~nickometer End |
| 22:38.21 | esp|Syn | ~nickometer esp|Syn |
| 22:38.35 | Mikk | ~nickometer Mikk |
| 22:38.37 | End | I think it just checks for non-alpha characters |
| 22:38.37 | esp|Syn | odd its changed since last report |
| 22:38.49 | End | for example: |
| 22:38.51 | esp|Syn | odd its changed since last report |
| 22:38.51 | Wobin | ~nickometer Wobin_ |
| 22:38.53 | esp|Syn | ~nickometer esp|Syn |
| 22:38.59 | End | ~nickometer )(*# |
| 22:39.01 | Mikk | That doesn't explain why Mikk1 and Mikk2 gets different scores. |
| 22:39.04 | esp|Syn | fu |
| 22:39.05 | Wobin | hehe |
| 22:39.16 | Wobin | ~nickometer ) |
| 22:39.19 | Mikk | Perhaps 1 is lamer than 2? |
| 22:39.23 | Wobin | ~nickometer 1 |
| 22:39.25 | End | probably |
| 22:39.29 | Wobin | ~nickometer 2 |
| 22:39.35 | Mikk | yep |
| 22:39.37 | esp|Syn | ~nickometer purl |
| 22:39.37 | Wobin | Indeed! |
| 22:39.46 | End | I think it's based on chance to appear in leet-speak |
| 22:39.51 | Mikk | Yeah probably |
| 22:39.53 | Mikk | ~nickometer 7 |
| 22:40.00 | Mikk | ~nickometer 5 |
| 22:40.00 | End | so the more "leet", the more lame |
| 22:40.04 | Shadowed|nax | !nickometor 3 |
| 22:40.05 | esp|Syn | ~nickometer 1337 |
| 22:40.09 | Shadowed|nax | ~nickometor 3 |
| 22:40.18 | Wobin | woah |
| 22:40.25 | ckknight | what's the nickometer measure? |
| 22:40.27 | Wobin | ~nickometer 1337 |
| 22:40.34 | Wobin | Desc: Measures the lame-ness of a nick or channel |
| 22:40.44 | ckknight | ... |
| 22:40.47 | Mikk | ~nickometer ... |
| 22:40.53 | Wobin | ~nickometer ckknight |
| 22:40.59 | Mikk | o.O |
| 22:41.01 | ckknight | ~nickometer Wobin |
| 22:41.06 | ckknight | aw |
| 22:41.09 | Wobin | hehe |
| 22:41.15 | ckknight | how does one become unlame? |
| 22:41.17 | Mikk | okay.. why is ckknight lame? |
| 22:41.22 | Wobin | I have no idea =) |
| 22:41.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge snurre (n=snurre@AVelizy-153-1-15-80.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:41.25 | Mikk | ~nickometer ckk |
| 22:41.30 | Mikk | ~nickometer knight |
| 22:41.32 | Shadowed|nax | ~nickometer Shadowed |
| 22:41.33 | Mikk | ah |
| 22:41.36 | Mikk | "knight" is lame =) |
| 22:41.38 | Shadowed|nax | aha |
| 22:41.39 | ckknight | ah |
| 22:41.41 | Wobin | hehe |
| 22:41.43 | ckknight | it's my name, though |
| 22:41.45 | ckknight | :-P |
| 22:41.45 | snurre | ~nickometer snurre |
| 22:41.50 | Mikk | ckknight: pwnd =) |
| 22:42.18 | Mikk | ~nickometer #wowi-lounge |
| 22:42.40 | Mikma | chanserv :D |
| 22:42.58 | Wobin | hehe |
| 22:42.59 | Mikk | Ah ok.. so "blade" and "rabies" and "afk" score high |
| 22:43.05 | Mikk | "away" too |
| 22:43.22 | Mikk | showering has no penalty though I see =) |
| 22:43.24 | Wobin | ~nickometer away |
| 22:43.28 | Mikma | and using nicks LikeThis |
| 22:43.29 | Mikk | o.O |
| 22:43.29 | Shadowed|nax | ~nickometer Shadowd |
| 22:43.33 | Wobin | ~nickometer |away |
| 22:43.39 | Shadowed|nax | ~nickometer away |
| 22:43.41 | Wobin | ~nickometer thrae |
| 22:43.43 | Mikk | that's just the | penalty |
| 22:43.47 | ckknight | ~nickometer | |
| 22:43.52 | Shadowed|nax | ~nickometer ^ |
| 22:43.55 | snurre | ~nickometer a |
| 22:43.56 | Mikk | ~nickometer ThraeAway |
| 22:43.58 | Wobin | ~nickometer thrae|Away |
| 22:44.00 | ckknight | ~nickometer _ |
| 22:44.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lameometer ckknight |
| 22:44.05 | Wobin | ? |
| 22:44.06 | Shadowed|nax | they add a 14% penality for !@#$%^&*()_+=-? |
| 22:44.11 | Wobin | ~nickometer Thrae|Away |
| 22:44.18 | Mikk | aeuh |
| 22:44.18 | Wobin | Strange |
| 22:44.19 | Shadowed|nax | ~nickometer tt |
| 22:44.25 | Shadowed|nax | ~nickometer ckk |
| 22:44.26 | Wobin | Purl calculates differently |
| 22:44.36 | ckknight | ugh, stop |
| 22:44.43 | ScytheBlade1 | purl and who? |
| 22:45.02 | Mikk | maybe in-channel lameness is something else entirely? |
| 22:45.24 | Mikk | has to be |
| 22:45.39 | Shadowed|nax | isn't the source code for purl up somewhere? |
| 22:45.44 | kergoth | its just a blootbot. |
| 22:45.47 | kergoth | ~ibot |
| 22:45.49 | purl | ibot is, like, a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 22:45.51 | kergoth | ~blootbot |
| 22:45.52 | purl | i guess blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/,. I am a blootbot |
| 22:47.46 | esp|Syn | ~purl |
| 22:47.47 | purl | purl is probably not one of the smart ones |
| 22:48.06 | esp|Syn | you heard it here first |
| 22:52.50 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Tuplad (n=tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be) |
| 22:54.33 | Thrae|Away | Can anyone recommend a non-mass multiplayer game that's similiar to World of Warcraft? |
| 22:54.50 | Shadowed|nax | screenshots of world of warcraft |
| 22:55.23 | Mikk | WoW on a hacked server? |
| 22:55.27 | Thrae|Away | It's for my little brother, he needs a faster system of progression then WoW can provide. |
| 22:55.38 | AnduinLothar | O.o faster |
| 22:55.54 | Shadowed|nax | hacked WoW server |
| 22:56.02 | AnduinLothar | WoW's the fastest addicting game ont he market... |
| 22:56.22 | AnduinLothar | how fast does he need it? 5min thrill then it's done? |
| 22:57.18 | Mikk | Sounds like some form of FPS |
| 22:57.24 | Legorol | Thrae, how about an RPG |
| 22:57.30 | Legorol | e.g. NVN |
| 22:57.31 | Legorol | i mean NWN |
| 22:57.43 | esp|Syn | oh i dunno it takes more than 6 hours to complete ( lvl 60 ) the game so its better than most crap they produce now |
| 22:57.50 | esp|Syn | try Warcraft 3 |
| 22:58.08 | Legorol | hm... |
| 22:58.18 | esp|Syn | wouldnt bother with nwn |
| 22:58.19 | Legorol | Thrae|Away, did you mean: (non-mass) multiplayer game |
| 22:58.19 | Legorol | or |
| 22:58.20 | esp|Syn | wait for nwn2 |
| 22:58.25 | Legorol | non-(mass multiplayer) game |
| 22:58.40 | Thrae|Away | I meant multiplayer, not not mass-multiplayer. |
| 22:58.41 | Legorol | nwn2 isn't done by bioware |
| 22:58.43 | Legorol | so i don't trust it |
| 22:58.46 | esp|Syn | :O |
| 22:58.56 | Thrae|Away | Someone suggested Dungeon Seige 2 and I think it's a good idea. |
| 22:59.00 | esp|Syn | bioware fucked up on the first massivly |
| 22:59.09 | AnduinLothar | ... Titan Quest.. |
| 22:59.11 | esp|Syn | its being done by the guys who took over and did KATOR 2 |
| 22:59.20 | Thrae|Away | Dungeon Seige is like a 3D Diablo, but without the satantic rituals and overflow of blood and gore. |
| 22:59.21 | esp|Syn | need say no more |
| 22:59.27 | esp|Syn | DS is shit |
| 22:59.30 | esp|Syn | same as DS 2 |
| 22:59.41 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@adsl-68-127-158-166.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 22:59.43 | Mikk | Can you give us an age for your little brother? =) |
| 22:59.45 | Legorol | esp|Syn: you need to say more, because i have no idea what Kator 2 is |
| 22:59.55 | esp|Syn | Knights of the old republic |
| 23:00.02 | esp|Syn | one of the best RPG's around |
| 23:00.04 | Thrae|Away | My little brother is 8, right now he's playing WoW and making a NEW character each time he plays, because he likes to level up quickly. |
| 23:00.05 | Kirov | That'd be KotoR |
| 23:00.26 | esp|Syn | yep my bad |
| 23:00.26 | Legorol | so you want something with fast level progression |
| 23:00.29 | Thrae|Away | He wants me to play with him, and after a while it drives me a little insane having to start over from Level 1 on a different server each time |
| 23:00.29 | esp|Syn | always do that :( |
| 23:00.30 | Legorol | but you want it RPG? |
| 23:01.01 | Thrae|Away | Yeah, he likes RPGs. |
| 23:01.07 | Legorol | hm, where's Kirkburn |
| 23:01.07 | esp|Syn | wow really isnt for the 8 year old anyway |
| 23:01.12 | gnorlish | give him a damn book |
| 23:01.14 | esp|Syn | the internet isnt for 8 year olds tbh |
| 23:01.15 | gnorlish | or read it to him |
| 23:01.20 | Kirov | lol |
| 23:01.23 | Legorol | what's wrong with the internet |
| 23:01.26 | Legorol | you can use it at any age |
| 23:01.27 | esp|Syn | Nothing |
| 23:01.31 | esp|Syn | its the people on thats wrong |
| 23:01.31 | Legorol | *some content* isn't for 8 year olds |
| 23:01.32 | Kirov | Go get Kingdom Hearts |
| 23:01.33 | Legorol | or some people |
| 23:01.36 | Thrae|Away | My little brother likes WoW because I don't live with him, so we can play together over the Internet. |
| 23:01.45 | kergoth | my brother was splattering the hell out of imps at age 4, and he seems to have turned out fine :P |
| 23:01.53 | esp|Syn | Well you could try NWN |
| 23:01.53 | kergoth | (doom 1) |
| 23:01.55 | Kirov | There's also a Disney MMO |
| 23:01.56 | esp|Syn | its faster to level |
| 23:02.06 | esp|Syn | but id suggest a custom campeign |
| 23:02.16 | esp|Syn | that or Baulders Gate(sp?) |
| 23:02.18 | Mikk | So the catch is that you want to be able to stand playing it also? =) |
| 23:02.26 | Thrae|Away | NWN might be a little too involved |
| 23:02.26 | esp|Syn | Baldurs |
| 23:02.28 | Legorol | esp|Syn: did you sort out your scroll frame? |
| 23:02.34 | Thrae|Away | Mikk: Yes ;) |
| 23:02.38 | esp|Syn | No Legorol ive given up for a while |
| 23:02.45 | Legorol | well the problem with any RPG is that the progression slows |
| 23:02.47 | Legorol | no matter what you do |
| 23:02.48 | esp|Syn | i have near 300 downloads today only |
| 23:02.52 | esp|Syn | and 4 comments :/ |
| 23:02.55 | Legorol | the rate of leveling per unit time always decays, in any game |
| 23:03.00 | Kirov | esp|Syn - Didn't you have the scroll frame working already? |
| 23:03.02 | esp|Syn | so ill wait to see what people say |
| 23:03.15 | esp|Syn | Kirov yes. a basic one, i was planning to improve it |
| 23:03.17 | esp|Syn | but it can wait |
| 23:03.20 | Thrae|Away | That's true Legorol, but the difference with a non-mass multiplayer game is that the story really does revolve around you |
| 23:03.38 | Mikk | Duke Nukem! |
| 23:03.38 | esp|Syn | thats why i prefer online RPG's |
| 23:03.41 | Mikk | Multiplayer! |
| 23:03.44 | esp|Syn | far more fun being the underdog |
| 23:03.50 | kergoth | yay duke nukem |
| 23:03.54 | esp|Syn | hence why im a Gnome |
| 23:04.01 | Legorol | Thrae|Away: any classic RPG, like icewind dale, baldur's gate, etc. |
| 23:04.04 | Legorol | how about thosse? |
| 23:04.04 | kergoth | nothing like freezing a player who was flying around, and watching him fall and shatter |
| 23:04.07 | Thrae|Away | I like both, myself. Sometimes it's good to play out a story. |
| 23:04.19 | Legorol | esp|Syn: how are the Gnomes underdogs? |
| 23:04.25 | Legorol | they are no different than any other race |
| 23:04.25 | Thrae|Away | Legorol: What's wrong with Dungeon Seige 2? I was hoping to keep it 3D. |
| 23:04.29 | esp|Syn | Have u seen a Gnome :/ |
| 23:04.32 | Legorol | tbh, there isn't much racial difference in WoW |
| 23:04.35 | Kirov | Trolls seem like more of the underdogs of wow to me |
| 23:04.36 | Mikk | try saying that when you've gone instancing with a gnome |
| 23:04.37 | Legorol | i play a Gnome all the time |
| 23:04.45 | Legorol | my highest level char is a Gnome |
| 23:04.49 | esp|Syn | so is mine |
| 23:04.51 | Mikk | i get soooooo sick of seeing people's asses all the time |
| 23:04.53 | esp|Syn | lvl 38 :/ |
| 23:05.04 | Legorol | well i have the camera zoomed out anyway |
| 23:05.07 | esp|Syn | Gnomes are "hated" by the "pro gamers" |
| 23:05.07 | Legorol | no matter what char i'm playing |
| 23:05.11 | Legorol | i need to have a wide FOV |
| 23:05.13 | Mikk | doesn't work very well in close quarters lego =) |
| 23:05.24 | Mikk | you still get the camera bumped up close and get to watch asses |
| 23:05.25 | esp|Syn | also |
| 23:05.33 | Thrae|Away | Gnomes...*looks at the levels of creatures in Gnomergan* *looks at the high-level Gnome players and NPCs* ...are stupid. |
| 23:05.37 | Legorol | i never found it a problem |
| 23:05.37 | esp|Syn | what the **** is with the gnome mount :O |
| 23:05.42 | Kirov | Trolls are the least played class in WoW |
| 23:05.44 | Kirov | overall |
| 23:05.49 | Mikk | i wouldn't know. my gnome is a warlock =) |
| 23:05.51 | esp|Syn | blizz serious took the p*** |
| 23:05.58 | Legorol | esp|Syn: i love my mount |
| 23:06.06 | Kirov | orcs, dwarves, and gnomes come in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th |
| 23:06.18 | esp|Syn | a mechanical ostridge... |
| 23:06.19 | Legorol | what's the first? NE? |
| 23:06.28 | Mikk | cows? |
| 23:06.29 | esp|Syn | Tauren Shamens |
| 23:06.31 | Mikk | hahaha |
| 23:06.37 | esp|Syn | THE played class |
| 23:06.39 | esp|Syn | cos its a walkover |
| 23:06.42 | Legorol | Tauren Shamen is not a race |
| 23:06.47 | *** join/#wowi-lounge netcurse (n=net@dslb-088-064-176-185.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:06.54 | esp|Syn | might as ***ing well be |
| 23:07.00 | Kirov | Humans, Elves, Undead, Taurens |
| 23:07.16 | esp|Syn | seems 60% of horde are Tauren shammys, 40% are undead rouges |
| 23:07.26 | esp|Syn | rare to see anything else |
| 23:07.30 | Legorol | the key word here is *seems* |
| 23:07.36 | Legorol | because your perceptive is biased |
| 23:07.39 | Legorol | without hard numbers :) |
| 23:07.45 | esp|Syn | well of course its not the real stats! |
| 23:07.46 | Thrae|Away | esp|Syn: No wonder the Horde says they have "raiding problems vs Alliance"! |
| 23:07.47 | AnduinLothar | and the silliest story line... undead priests |
| 23:07.50 | Kirov | Female Tauren Rogues are very very rare |
| 23:07.54 | Kirov | You never see them coming |
| 23:07.56 | Legorol | 80% of stats are made up on the spot |
| 23:07.57 | Legorol | including this one |
| 23:08.06 | Mikk | 99.9% of all statistics are lies |
| 23:08.09 | Kirov | http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php |
| 23:08.10 | Mikk | o.O |
| 23:08.14 | Legorol | beat ya, Mikk ;-) |
| 23:08.22 | Thrae|Away | TAUREN Rogues? To quote a CM - "clomp clomp clomp BACKSTAB clomp clomp clomp..." |
| 23:08.23 | Legorol | Kirov: i don't trust census sites, tbh |
| 23:08.45 | Wobin | I'd love a tauren rogue =) |
| 23:08.52 | esp|Syn | nope im sorry |
| 23:08.54 | Legorol | give me Gnome Priest! |
| 23:08.55 | Wobin | "One that moos in the night" |
| 23:08.57 | esp|Syn | 5% shaman? no way |
| 23:09.25 | Kirov | http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?race=Tauren |
| 23:09.50 | Mikk | you've got to remember that only one side has shamans |
| 23:09.54 | esp|Syn | would u look at that |
| 23:10.01 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 23:10.05 | esp|Syn | 100% of Taurens are taurens |
| 23:10.06 | Kirov | Warlocks are the least played class |
| 23:10.14 | esp|Syn | never expected that |
| 23:10.18 | Thrae|Away | According to census, Kirov? |
| 23:10.19 | Kirov | If you count shamans and paladins as "one" |
| 23:10.26 | esp|Syn | Warlocks kick the crap outa me |
| 23:10.29 | gnorlish | druids |
| 23:10.31 | Thrae|Away | I would have thought Druids were the least played class. |
| 23:10.35 | esp|Syn | but apprently end game there crap |
| 23:10.40 | Kirov | ah, druids are lower |
| 23:10.49 | Kirov | They weren't last time I looked |
| 23:10.51 | Thrae|Away | Druids only got buffs recently, so not a lot of people have high-level Druids. |
| 23:11.12 | esp|Syn | im a gnome mage |
| 23:11.16 | Kirov | I'm a hunter, the #1 played class |
| 23:11.17 | Thrae|Away | The old end-game Druid was basically a healbot. |
| 23:11.19 | Kirov | I feel durty |
| 23:11.20 | esp|Syn | and im not really enjoying it that much |
| 23:11.26 | esp|Syn | but i REALLY cant be assed to re-level |
| 23:11.31 | Mikk | haha |
| 23:11.39 | Kirov | To level 37? |
| 23:11.42 | Mikk | 50 lock, 60 lock, 60 paladin, 51 rogue |
| 23:11.46 | esp|Syn | 38 please |
| 23:11.57 | Kirov | Getting to level 40 takes like 5 days |
| 23:12.03 | Legorol | Kirov: where di you see locks being the lowest played? |
| 23:12.04 | esp|Syn | ive played 8 |
| 23:12.07 | Thrae|Away | Kirov: Not for me! |
| 23:12.09 | esp|Syn | thats time actually ingame |
| 23:12.12 | Legorol | on my screen it's on 10% |
| 23:12.15 | esp|Syn | i HATE grinding |
| 23:12.20 | esp|Syn | its bores the shit out of me |
| 23:12.21 | Kirov | Legorol - on census, but a while ago |
| 23:12.26 | Mikk | Legorol: what's lower? |
| 23:12.27 | Legorol | then check now |
| 23:12.31 | Mikk | shaman+paladin=12 |
| 23:12.32 | Thrae|Away | I've been playing for about 1.5 years now and my highest is Level 49. |
| 23:12.41 | Kirov | lol |
| 23:12.46 | Legorol | that's not that funny |
| 23:12.51 | Legorol | a few weeks ago, that'd have been beating me |
| 23:13.00 | Kirov | My girlfriend has 5 60s |
| 23:13.03 | Thrae|Away | High-level Paladins come from when they used to be super-awesome |
| 23:13.04 | Legorol | i'd been playing since US stress test, and my highest is 55 |
| 23:13.24 | Thrae|Away | And the Paladin description SOUNDS super-awesome |
| 23:13.31 | AnduinLothar | I haven't leveld in a year and a half |
| 23:13.39 | Thrae|Away | Then they stayed in a state of nerfdom for a while |
| 23:13.43 | esp|Syn | I need someone to level me :( |
| 23:13.50 | Thrae|Away | esp|Syn: Ni hao? |
| 23:13.56 | Legorol | well right now, the lowest is druids, if you add shamen and palas together |
| 23:13.56 | esp|Syn | pardon? |
| 23:14.04 | Legorol | http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=-1&reset=RESET&factionid=-1&minlevel=0&maxlevel=60&servertypeid=-1 |
| 23:14.19 | Kirov | To quote the blizzard designer in charge of paladins, "I hate paladins" |
| 23:14.19 | Thrae|Away | Paladins are lower then Druids? |
| 23:14.26 | Legorol | yes |
| 23:14.28 | Wobin | wei ni hao |
| 23:14.32 | Legorol | but not if you take pala+shaman |
| 23:14.42 | Legorol | Kirov: please do quote.. |
| 23:14.45 | Legorol | but link as well ;_) |
| 23:14.50 | Mikk | Paladins are problematic, certainly |
| 23:15.03 | Legorol | what's the problem with them? too strong? too weak? |
| 23:15.05 | Mikk | Plate + healing .... can't ever have dps |
| 23:15.08 | Mikk | Always boring |
| 23:15.16 | Legorol | hm.. i only played a pala up to 19 |
| 23:15.17 | Kirov | bah, I forget the link |
| 23:15.18 | Legorol | but it was fun |
| 23:15.23 | Legorol | and it leveled a lot faster than warrior |
| 23:15.25 | Mikk | Yeah but it stops being fun right around there =) |
| 23:15.31 | Kirov | Paladins suck starting around level 25 |
| 23:15.36 | Kirov | but are still good |
| 23:15.38 | Legorol | can't be as bad as warrior |
| 23:15.41 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 23:15.45 | Kirov | at level 60 you crap out |
| 23:15.45 | zespri | my paladin stopped being fun at lvl 10 |
| 23:15.46 | Mikk | I'd have stopped sooo many times if I wasn't dead set lon showing certain priests in my guild that a paladin could outheal them by at least a factor of 2 |
| 23:15.53 | AnduinLothar | pallies are awsome if you have a year+ of gear |
| 23:15.54 | zespri | actually it never started being fun |
| 23:16.04 | Thrae|Away | The Paladin, by design, is problematic. Paladins wear plate all the time and have powerful bubbles and can wear shields, so they can't DPS nearly as well as the Warriors they're suppose to be emulating. |
| 23:16.07 | Legorol | i think with palas you really ahve to know what you are doing |
| 23:16.16 | Legorol | i have a friend, lvl 60 pala, doing MC/BWL etc. |
| 23:16.24 | Legorol | so he knows at least a bit what he's talking about |
| 23:16.32 | AnduinLothar | i'm doign mc/bwl |
| 23:16.33 | Legorol | he has shown me what a pala can do in terms of DPS |
| 23:16.41 | Thrae|Away | Druids have it a lot better because they can't heal in their melee DPS forms, and their most powerful DPS form leaves them with less protection then a Rogue |
| 23:16.52 | Mikk | Yeah they can go upwards of 200dps |
| 23:17.02 | Mikk | Which is what a magister-wearing mage does |
| 23:17.02 | Kirov | Legorol - At the beginning of a run, the paladin class leader tells each of them what they should be buffing. |
| 23:17.05 | Kirov | If you miss that, you're fucked. |
| 23:17.08 | Mikk | But at the same equipment level, DPS classes do 400+ |
| 23:17.11 | AnduinLothar | My and my other pally friend in dps gear can top the charts if we try |
| 23:17.19 | Kirov | So, yeah, I agree, a paladin has to know what he's doing. |
| 23:17.20 | Kirov | ;) |
| 23:17.30 | Mikk | AnduinLothar: You need to get better DPSers then =P |
| 23:17.54 | Legorol | ok watch this: |
| 23:17.54 | Legorol | http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8486800906039126244&q=zalpalapvp3 |
| 23:17.56 | Thrae|Away | That's one of the things I like about World of Warcraft -- if you have the skill and gear, basically any class can get pretty high on the damage charts. It's not just about the gear, it's also about skill and how you manage your talents. |
| 23:18.02 | Legorol | from 18 minutes into the video |
| 23:18.04 | Legorol | it starts getting fun |
| 23:18.10 | Mikk | Then again, if we're talking about total dps over e.g. a?n MC run.... yeah, just actually always hitting something makes all the difference |
| 23:18.11 | Thrae|Away | It's like every class is a hybrid, compared to games like EQ or DAoC. |
| 23:18.14 | Kirov | Where's the paladin vs. Kassak video? |
| 23:18.30 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 23:18.33 | Legorol | well based on what i saw my friend do with a pala, how good you are depends on how well you know the class |
| 23:18.43 | Legorol | i think compared to rogues, palas are probably lot more complicated to play well |
| 23:18.48 | Thrae|Away | Old-school RPGs, you're a Priest, you heal and maybe buff and that's ALL you do. |
| 23:18.49 | AnduinLothar | damn strait |
| 23:18.57 | AnduinLothar | knife in, knife out |
| 23:18.58 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=MentalPo@host-70-45-86-28.onelinkpr.net) |
| 23:19.08 | Legorol | my impression of WoW is that all classes are good |
| 23:19.18 | Legorol | but different classes are different in terms of how difficult it is to play good |
| 23:19.25 | Mikk | Legorol: A guildie paladin with Sulfuras did semidecent damage, aye.... but, like I said.. it was in the 200dps neighborhood |
| 23:19.27 | Thrae|Away | I think that can be said about a lot of classes, Legorol. Rogues, Shamans, and Mages, in my opinion, have it pretty good in PvE and PvP. |
| 23:19.27 | Legorol | some are easier to get most out of |
| 23:19.40 | Thrae|Away | Make that Rogues, Shamans, Mages, and Warriors. |
| 23:19.41 | Mikk | And it's a bloody legendary weapon =P |
| 23:20.02 | Legorol | ok, the link i linked.. have a look at that video from 20 minutes onwards |
| 23:20.06 | Legorol | hilarious |
| 23:20.58 | Kirov | stealth paladin? |
| 23:20.59 | Kirov | lol |
| 23:22.08 | Legorol | yup |
| 23:22.14 | Legorol | in rogue set |
| 23:26.35 | Kirov | The huge strenths of a paladin are that a) his spell attacks can't be resisted (apart from level), and b) he can stun fairly efficently |
| 23:27.31 | Kirov | neither of which are particularly useful in a raiding situation where nothing can be stunned (until AQ40) and their dps is still a lot lower than other classes so their healing is prefered. |
| 23:27.32 | End | paladins have good survability too |
| 23:27.56 | Kirov | Yes, that is a strength that is useful for both pvp and pve |
| 23:28.08 | Kirov | Paladin vs. Paladin duels are the funniest things to watch |
| 23:28.16 | AnduinLothar | :) even better 1hing |
| 23:28.56 | AnduinLothar | esp in healing gear |
| 23:29.33 | AnduinLothar | I once dueled a fellow pally in healign gear... lasted 15 min before we had to go to a raid |
| 23:30.01 | Kirov | http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2507196302420338821&q=paladin+kazzak - favorite paladin dps video |
| 23:30.21 | AnduinLothar | esp if your mp5 is higher than their dps. you can just heal indefinitely |
| 23:30.31 | AnduinLothar | conc aura |
| 23:31.02 | Kirov | I watched a paladin vs. paladin and a druid vs. druid fight at the same time |
| 23:31.09 | Kirov | the druids finished up after 15 minutes |
| 23:31.15 | Kirov | the paladins gave up after half an hour |
| 23:31.49 | End | as a druid, I dueled another druid and it last a half an hour |
| 23:32.09 | End | usually druid on druid is closer to 15 minutesish though |
| 23:35.41 | Kirov | is SendAddonMessage in 0.12, and is it SendAddon or SendAddOn? |
| 23:36.45 | Legorol | wow, i can reproducibly crash IE 6 using the beta wow forums |
| 23:37.02 | Kirov | firefox! |
| 23:39.05 | Gryphen | yes in 1.12 and lowercase http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-interface-customization/406803.htm |
| 23:39.42 | Kirov | Gryphen - he was in here shortly after that post and said he might change it. |
| 23:39.56 | Gryphen | i read he wasnt |
| 23:40.00 | Gryphen | heh |
| 23:40.04 | esp|Syn | just rolled a nelf priest |
| 23:41.38 | esp|Syn | bored |
| 23:41.40 | esp|Syn | going to play cs |
| 23:41.41 | esp|Syn | lol |
| 23:42.02 | *** join/#wowi-lounge wereHamster (n=tomc@gw.ptr-62-65-141-13.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 23:42.31 | Mikk | Haha, that dude looks like a pally in my guild |
| 23:42.39 | Mikk | He's really a PvE player but argh when he goes PvP |
| 23:43.10 | Mikk | "Uhh, dude, that was a warrior and a druid at full health... and you're still standing?" "They couldn't play." |
| 23:47.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Krishnak (n=Diamant@chello062178075048.26.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 23:48.22 | Krishnak | evening |
| 23:48.44 | Kirov | afternoon |
| 23:54.54 | *** join/#wowi-lounge stryder_30 (i=s7rYd3r@c-24-11-254-9.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
){kind=link}
