| 00:01.35 | yammygirlcoding | echo echo echo echo echo |
| 00:03.20 | yammygirlcoding | guys. has wow us server changed or bugged bad ?? Since tuesday I simply can't connect! It keeps forever authenticating and disconects before anything happens :(((( |
| 00:03.26 | Kirkburn | heya |
| 00:03.34 | yammygirlcoding | yo |
| 00:04.00 | Kirkburn | I'm in the UK so I'm not sure ... but I know they've been having server problems |
| 00:04.32 | yammygirlcoding | oh boy :/ |
| 00:05.13 | yammygirlcoding | what is their excuse this time? they haven't earn enough money already? :) millions of dollars can't pay a brand new server, link or staff ? :/ |
| 00:05.25 | Kirkburn | heh ... life doesn't work like that, unfortunately |
| 00:06.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zespri|home (i=andrew@124.197.12.193) |
| 00:06.08 | Kirkburn | For example, Microsoft has billions of dollars, but it can't make Windows Vista be released any quicker by throwing more money at it |
| 00:06.16 | yammygirlcoding | If I earned that bunch of money, for sure I'd have 2 backup servers ready for any emergency, double link, double staff and double servers :/ |
| 00:06.28 | yammygirlcoding | lol |
| 00:07.02 | Kirkburn | It's a point ... unfortunately, Blizzard doesn't do the day-to-day running of their servers :( |
| 00:07.09 | yammygirlcoding | ah but MS uses some part of marketing to not release it so soon to let people more curious on it :) |
| 00:07.45 | yammygirlcoding | They could just use incremental backup everyday 1 hour off wouldn't hurt anyone.. |
| 00:08.17 | yammygirlcoding | dont u think? :) |
| 00:08.46 | Kirkburn | No idea :P |
| 00:09.15 | yammygirlcoding | is zespri around ? |
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| 00:12.00 | yammygirlcoding | kirk your logon server is working over there? |
| 00:12.01 | Kirkburn1 | (stupid bloody router) |
| 00:12.16 | Kirkburn1 | Er, I'll check |
| 00:12.43 | yammygirlcoding | try tracert the server to see if you can reach the blizz hop |
| 00:12.58 | yammygirlcoding | it's one with many letters and dots before host name |
| 00:13.13 | Kirkburn1 | No problems for me |
| 00:13.29 | yammygirlcoding | u tested the us one? |
| 00:13.37 | Kirkburn1 | Nope =) |
| 00:13.51 | Kirkburn1 | Seeing as I'm EU and all that =) |
| 00:14.17 | yammygirlcoding | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 00:14.33 | yammygirlcoding | maybe it's only the us server. let me see which is the host |
| 00:16.51 | yammygirlcoding | hm try a tracert us.logon.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 00:18.25 | yammygirlcoding | i can reach this hop for last : mdf1-bi8k-1-eth-1-3.lax1.attens.net [12.129.192.106] |
| 00:18.28 | yammygirlcoding | and you? |
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| 00:19.20 | Mikord | heya folks |
| 00:20.15 | yammygirlcoding | yo |
| 00:20.35 | yammygirlcoding | kirk ? |
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| 00:21.46 | Kirkburn1 | Hello ... sorry, watching TV :P |
| 00:21.51 | RelSleep | Greetings! |
| 00:23.13 | MentalPower_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.37 | Kirkburn1 | Same here, then timeout |
| 00:23.39 | yammygirlcoding | hmm i see only to hop 17. |
| 00:23.40 | MentalPower_ | thats my last hop |
| 00:23.54 | yammygirlcoding | i wonder if it make diference O.o |
| 00:24.14 | Kirkburn1 | How can I copy text from a cmd window?? |
| 00:24.21 | MentalPower_ | in my case it would be less hops, but my routing tables are kinda messed up |
| 00:24.22 | yammygirlcoding | u mark and enter |
| 00:24.35 | yammygirlcoding | MentalPower_!! my darling!! |
| 00:24.37 | MentalPower_ | Kirkburn1: click on the icon at the top-right |
| 00:24.47 | Relvox | I'm looking to make a really basic addon which accepts a command from chat and acts accordingly, what would you say are good references? |
| 00:25.00 | MentalPower | wowwiki.com |
| 00:25.11 | Kirkburn1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.11 | Kirkburn1 | 122] |
| 00:25.17 | yammygirlcoding | MentalPower are u able to conect to us server over there? mine dies at the 17 hop and keeps in logon forever |
| 00:25.29 | Relvox | Thanks, I looked into it but it's missing some basic info, like: how do I handle the input |
| 00:25.47 | yammygirlcoding | ah We have diferent hops, but it's the same server. hmm |
| 00:25.57 | MentalPower | the datacenters where the blizz servers are located block ICMP (or is it IMCP) packets |
| 00:26.00 | MentalPower | so thats normal |
| 00:26.06 | Relvox | I managed to figure out (I think) that I just add an argument to the func that is called on the slash occorence. |
| 00:26.20 | Relvox | occurence* |
| 00:26.25 | Kirkburn1 | Where's my blooming D2 cd :( |
| 00:26.29 | MentalPower | Relvox: have you looked at how other addons manage chat commands |
| 00:26.32 | yammygirlcoding | hmm If I can actualy reach the logon hop, why it's takin forever to logon? :( |
| 00:27.05 | MentalPower | perhaps you get past logon, but your server is not reachable? |
| 00:27.07 | Relvox | I tried, they either don't accept arguments OR are way too complicated for a noob like me to understand(yet). |
| 00:27.20 | Kirkburn1 | MentalPower, surely it would allow login still |
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| 00:27.37 | Kirkburn1 | It would just do the choose a server thing, no? |
| 00:27.39 | Relvox | MentalPower, can I pm you? |
| 00:27.44 | yammygirlcoding | Since mini patch it not even conect :( |
| 00:28.22 | MentalPower | Relvox: multi-convo is just fine |
| 00:28.39 | MentalPower | in fact its better that it be on the public channel |
| 00:28.50 | Relvox | Agreed. |
| 00:28.53 | MentalPower | that way any errors can be corrected by the masses |
| 00:29.10 | Relvox | Anyway, I notice that first thing I must have a frame to handle the entire addon |
| 00:29.12 | yammygirlcoding | ^^ |
| 00:29.16 | Kirkburn1 | With caustic comments from yours truly :) |
| 00:29.20 | MentalPower | anywho, I can personally suggest Auctioneer's command handling |
| 00:29.29 | MentalPower | Relvox: thats not exactly true |
| 00:29.39 | Relvox | Can I create a frameless addon? |
| 00:29.40 | MentalPower | you can have a frameless addon |
| 00:29.51 | Relvox | okay, I'd like that. |
| 00:30.03 | kaso| | just you cant register events without a frame. |
| 00:30.19 | Kirkburn1 | ... |
| 00:30.32 | kaso| | you can? |
| 00:30.44 | yammygirlcoding | lol |
| 00:30.49 | Kirkburn | Haven't the faintest, but it sounds like a big drawback |
| 00:31.09 | Relvox | Is auctioneer frameless? |
| 00:31.14 | kaso| | well depends i could think of some addons that dont need frames |
| 00:31.20 | kaso| | depends what your doing |
| 00:31.44 | MentalPower | basically you would have a .toc like the following http://wow.pastecode.com/1398 |
| 00:31.58 | MentalPower | no auctioneer is not frameless |
| 00:32.12 | MentalPower | but enchantrix is (without the addon barker to it) |
| 00:32.47 | MentalPower | yammygirlcoding: have you tried running the repair.exe / |
| 00:32.50 | Relvox | okay, so how do I hook events without a frame? |
| 00:32.55 | yammygirlcoding | hmm no |
| 00:32.59 | MentalPower | you don't |
| 00:33.09 | yammygirlcoding | u think its the patch that came bad? |
| 00:33.10 | Relvox | so how can I handle command line? |
| 00:33.40 | kaso| | the same way yo would without a frame |
| 00:33.45 | MentalPower | simple, the slash commands are not event-driven |
| 00:34.12 | Relvox | but how do I make the game recognize my slash commands? |
| 00:34.27 | Relvox | or do I just /script funcname |
| 00:34.38 | MentalPower | one sec |
| 00:34.41 | MentalPower | pastecode incomming |
| 00:35.18 | MentalPower | http://wow.pastecode.com/1399 |
| 00:36.14 | MentalPower | every time you type "/auctioneer foo" your function is called like "someFunction("foo")" |
| 00:36.48 | Relvox | so I just hook the events outside the funcs? |
| 00:37.21 | MentalPower | there are no events (in the WoW sense of the word) associated with the slash commands |
| 00:37.41 | Relvox | not events, I mean slash command recognition |
| 00:37.51 | Relvox | let me write it a sec |
| 00:38.41 | MentalPower | one sec |
| 00:38.47 | MentalPower | restarting my IRC client |
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| 00:40.26 | MentalPower | ok, I'm back |
| 00:40.42 | Relvox | http://wow.pastecode.com/1400 |
| 00:40.48 | Relvox | does that make sense? |
| 00:41.58 | End-afk | switch the order around |
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| 00:42.11 | MentalPower | yes, but you need to have your function declared before assigning it to the SlashCmdList table |
| 00:42.17 | End-afk | and fix the way you do local |
| 00:42.32 | Relvox | what do you mean end? |
| 00:42.47 | End-afk | # |
| 00:42.48 | End-afk | local RelB_SetThreshHold = function(msg) |
| 00:43.09 | Relvox | isn't it the same? |
| 00:43.24 | MentalPower | yeah, its the same |
| 00:43.25 | End-afk | I don't think so, but I'm doubting myself now |
| 00:43.38 | MentalPower | its "syncactic sugar" |
| 00:43.43 | End-afk | neat |
| 00:43.46 | MentalPower | its "syntactic sugar" |
| 00:43.53 | Wobin | ? |
| 00:43.55 | End-afk | ok, I was wrong on that count |
| 00:44.15 | MentalPower | its a term from the Lua docs |
| 00:44.36 | Relvox | http://wow.pastecode.com/1402 |
| 00:44.44 | Relvox | heh, seen 1401, :P |
| 00:44.58 | Relvox | so, you're saying this should work? |
| 00:45.11 | Wobin | yeah |
| 00:45.11 | End-afk | should |
| 00:45.30 | Wobin | The problem with the previous was that you were assigning a global with the name to that slashcommand |
| 00:45.31 | MentalPower | yep |
| 00:45.43 | End-afk | yammygirlcoding: f.var is the same as f["var"] |
| 00:45.44 | MentalPower | yammygirlcoding: indeed |
| 00:45.46 | Wobin | Then assigning a local to that name |
| 00:46.18 | Mikma | i'm tired, i think i'll hit the bed.. oh wait, i'm already in a bed! YAY! |
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| 00:48.02 | Iriel | "Syntactic sugar" refers to constructs that dont add a new feature to the language, but simply give you a nicer (sweeter) way of expressing something that could be done a different (usually longer) way. |
| 00:48.52 | Relvox | okay, it worked^^ |
| 00:49.12 | yammygirlcoding | \o/ |
| 00:49.16 | MentalPower | magic! |
| 00:49.17 | Mikord | Iriel the eloquent! |
| 00:49.41 | Iriel | There's always this too: http://wow.pastecode.com/1403 |
| 00:49.51 | Relvox | okay, but now I can't have any events, right? |
| 00:50.13 | Iriel | Not without creating a frame to catch some |
| 00:50.59 | Iriel | http://wow.pastecode.com/1404 |
| 00:51.17 | Relvox | if I declared a saved per char var in the toc, can I use it right away? |
| 00:51.51 | MentalPower | no |
| 00:52.01 | Iriel | Well, that depends what 'use it right away' means |
| 00:52.21 | Relvox | how do I use such a var then? |
| 00:52.22 | MentalPower | you need to wait until at least the ADDON_LOADED for your addon for those variables to be valid |
| 00:52.35 | Iriel | If you mean 'can I reference the previously saved value at the moment my addon's code is exevured" then no. (And MentalPower just covered when you CAN reference it) |
| 00:53.14 | Relvox | Okay, so I'm gonna create a frame for events |
| 00:53.30 | Relvox | I'll tell you staright ahead what I'm planning to do. |
| 00:54.24 | Relvox | I wanna set an % of life below which, the troll's berserk ability will be triggered. |
| 00:54.24 | Relvox | Right now it's just for the sake of learning. |
| 00:54.33 | Iriel | You do know you can't cast a spell/ability based on an event, right? |
| 00:54.45 | Iriel | It has to be triggered by a keypress or button click |
| 00:54.48 | MentalPower | you know you need a hardware... what Iriel said |
| 00:55.26 | Relvox | hmm, I did forget that.. silly me |
| 00:55.29 | Mikord | Yeah blizzard effectively stopped the ability to do just that in 1.10 I think it was |
| 00:55.33 | Relvox | but I'll think of a solution |
| 00:56.01 | Relvox | in any case, just raise a flag that signifies the need to will be okay. |
| 00:56.14 | Relvox | I'll get the rest done :P |
| 00:57.23 | Mikord | I suppose you could pop up one of the irritating windows with a button to press |
| 00:57.35 | Mikord | :) |
| 00:57.39 | Relvox | so now: when my hp drops below a certain % I raise a flag. |
| 00:57.40 | Mikord | if you are just trying to learn |
| 00:58.09 | Relvox | it's quite a silly addon, but I'm just learning... |
| 00:58.20 | Mikord | aye that's the best way |
| 00:58.28 | Mikord | just do something small and figure out how it all works |
| 00:59.10 | Mikord | imo of course |
| 00:59.19 | Legorol | hey looks like this channel is taking off |
| 00:59.24 | Relvox | okay, so now I want to have a percharvar that saves the treshhold for each char... |
| 00:59.27 | Legorol | more people in the channel, new people, discussion about coding.. |
| 00:59.50 | yammygirlcoding | MentalPower :'((((((((( I run the repair thing and it's the same. never pass the logon screen |
| 01:00.48 | Relvox | tried manually downloading the patch again? |
| 01:01.10 | MentalPower | just pulling at strings here, but what if you try to connect to the EU logon server? |
| 01:01.26 | yammygirlcoding | like. after the patch it conected some few times for some minutes then discon. now it doesn't even logon |
| 01:01.31 | MentalPower | ie instead of us.logon.foobar eu.logon.foobar |
| 01:01.45 | Legorol | hm, anyone mind recapping what's yammygirlcoding's problem? |
| 01:01.54 | MentalPower | it should give you an invalid account message |
| 01:01.54 | yammygirlcoding | i think if i change the server, my char won't be there at the database |
| 01:01.55 | Relvox | http://wow.pastecode.com/1405 |
| 01:01.58 | Legorol | maybe i can help too... |
| 01:02.17 | yammygirlcoding | Legorol I can't logon the server since mini patch :( |
| 01:02.29 | yammygirlcoding | takes forever authenticating and discon |
| 01:03.13 | yammygirlcoding | It's been 2 days.. I'm almost feeling that abstinence crises :) |
| 01:03.23 | MentalPower | Relvox: looks good |
| 01:03.52 | yammygirlcoding | The worse is that I'm a guild master, and without a leader for much long, it dies |
| 01:04.58 | Relvox | there isn't at all... |
| 01:05.06 | MentalPower | ok, here's a good question. How do I create a weak table and what does it have better over a standard table? |
| 01:05.33 | Iriel | MentalPower : You set a specific value in its metatable |
| 01:05.55 | Iriel | MentalPower : The difference is that it doesn't count as a reference to its keys and/or values (depending how you configure it) at GC time |
| 01:06.23 | Relvox | Okay, which event should I use to see if I got damage? |
| 01:06.37 | MentalPower | so the key/values will be collected at GC? |
| 01:06.45 | MentalPower | Relvox: UNIT_HEALTH ? |
| 01:06.50 | Iriel | MentalPower ; If they're not referenced elsewhere, yes |
| 01:07.20 | MentalPower | thanks Iriel :) |
| 01:07.21 | Relvox | I mean, OnEvent? or is there a more specific event? |
| 01:07.44 | MentalPower | OnEvent is your handler for all events you've registered |
| 01:08.11 | MentalPower | lol:RegisterEvent("SOME_EVENT |
| 01:08.15 | MentalPower | erm... |
| 01:08.24 | MentalPower | and those are the burdens of typing faster |
| 01:08.39 | MentalPower | you sometimes hit enter when you meant to hit backspace |
| 01:09.00 | Relvox | where do I see a list of those possible events? |
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| 01:09.26 | MentalPower | SlashCmdList[" |
| 01:09.28 | MentalPower | grr... |
| 01:09.36 | Iriel | There are some painful wiki pages with event lists |
| 01:09.42 | Iriel | or you could look over blizzard's code |
| 01:11.09 | Mikord | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_A-Z_%28Full_List%29 |
| 01:11.38 | Relvox | thanks |
| 01:11.50 | Relvox | okay, now inside the main handler, how do I know which event fired? |
| 01:12.19 | Mikord | if event == "EVENT_NAME" then .... end |
| 01:13.05 | Relvox | just like that? event == ? |
| 01:13.21 | Mikord | yep if event == "UNIT_HEALTH" then |
| 01:13.22 | kaso| | yeh event is global, so is arg1,2,3 etc |
| 01:13.24 | Mikord | do some stuff here |
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| 01:13.34 | Mikord | elseif event == "UNIT_MANA" then |
| 01:13.37 | Mikord | do some more stuff here |
| 01:13.38 | Mikord | end |
| 01:14.35 | Mikord | that would be inside the function that you have your frame's <OnEvent>YourEventFunctionHere()</OnEvent> calling |
| 01:14.36 | Relvox | neat |
| 01:14.56 | Mikord | and once you've registered for the event in question |
| 01:14.59 | Relvox | now: about the percharvar |
| 01:15.17 | Relvox | how do I use that? |
| 01:15.32 | Mikord | #SavedVariablesPerChar: Relvox_save |
| 01:15.40 | Mikord | in your oc |
| 01:15.42 | Mikord | toc* |
| 01:15.42 | Relvox | inside the script |
| 01:16.08 | Mikord | Then inside your script whatever you set Rolvox_save to will be saved when you logout (or reload the console) |
| 01:16.11 | Relvox | just as I would use a global? |
| 01:16.24 | Mikord | yep it'll be available |
| 01:16.35 | Relvox | what do you guys use to write lua? |
| 01:16.39 | Relvox | what IDE? |
| 01:16.46 | yammygirlcoding | notepad? :) |
| 01:16.48 | Mikord | I use notepa |
| 01:16.55 | Mikord | notepad* |
| 01:17.03 | Iriel | I use emacs with lua-mode |
| 01:17.23 | Mikord | Ok who uses vi ?? |
| 01:17.28 | Mikord | or vim |
| 01:17.30 | Iriel | Slouken does, I think 8-) |
| 01:17.49 | Iriel | (based on all the SDL code having vi editing commands at the bottom) |
| 01:17.50 | Relvox | emacs? |
| 01:17.52 | yammygirlcoding | maybe ultraedit does the code coloring |
| 01:18.18 | Mikord | emacs is available for win too I think |
| 01:18.20 | Iriel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs |
| 01:18.24 | Iriel | It is indeed |
| 01:18.55 | Mikord | yeah ultraedit set to C or Javascript would probably just about color it right |
| 01:19.00 | Mikord | not exactly, but close |
| 01:19.23 | Relvox | how do I check for more than one condition in an if clause? |
| 01:19.32 | Relvox | can I use AND or soemthing? |
| 01:19.40 | Mikord | if event == "this" or event == "that" then |
| 01:19.49 | Relvox | AND / OR /? |
| 01:19.51 | Legorol | yammygirlcoding: i'll ask the blatantly obvious, did you try reinstalling? |
| 01:19.52 | Mikord | yeah |
| 01:20.06 | yammygirlcoding | :(((((( |
| 01:20.36 | Mikord | I'm not really sure if case matters cause I've always used lowercase, but it probably doesn't |
| 01:20.46 | yammygirlcoding | Legorol I dont wnat to risk reinstalling and losing all my 100's addons customizations, which is a pain if you have 6 alts... |
| 01:21.15 | Mikord | C:\Program Files\World Of Warcraft\WTF\ --> Save location :P |
| 01:21.27 | Legorol | yammygirlcoding: make a backup of your Interface and WTF folders, then reinstall |
| 01:21.37 | Legorol | you can restore addon settings later after the reinstall |
| 01:21.38 | Iriel | Mikord : Case always matters |
| 01:21.41 | Legorol | get yourself connected first ;-) |
| 01:21.50 | yammygirlcoding | I tried to delete the WTF once to bakcup. And when I put it back, all my setups were still gone :( |
| 01:22.01 | Mikord | sweet wasn't sure on that one with the keywords |
| 01:22.14 | Mikord | I bet you have a variable name oR then don't you ! |
| 01:22.24 | Relvox | okay, how do I get the actual life of the target in arg1? |
| 01:22.33 | Mikord | if oR or And then oh yeah |
| 01:22.53 | Iriel | UnitHealth("target") / UnitHealthMax("target") gives you the proportion of their health.. Exact health may or may not be available depending on who the target is |
| 01:23.05 | Mikord | when you respond to event == "UNIT_HEALTH" just use arg1 as a local variable |
| 01:23.18 | Relvox | arg1 is the sender |
| 01:23.21 | Legorol | yammygirlcoding, all addon settings are stored in wtf |
| 01:23.23 | Iriel | Mikord : I dont, but you can. |
| 01:23.39 | Legorol | if you restore wtf, you will be back in exactly the same place, as far as addons are concerned |
| 01:23.43 | Relvox | so i can UnitHealth(arg1) ? |
| 01:23.45 | Iriel | I wonder if that 'once to backup' was before there were separate saved variables files, and the addons weren't re-installed yet |
| 01:23.51 | Mikord | oh yeah as Iriel said |
| 01:23.57 | yammygirlcoding | I'm downloading the patch again.. maybe it came bad |
| 01:24.13 | Mikord | UnitHealth("target") or UnitHealth("player") whatever you're trying to get |
| 01:24.39 | Iriel | If arg1 is a player name, you'd need to TargetByName(arg1) first, then use "target" as the unit ID |
| 01:25.41 | Legorol | do note that TargetByName won't work for a few things come 1.12 |
| 01:25.44 | Relvox | http://wow.pastecode.com/1408 |
| 01:25.46 | Legorol | such as totems, pets, opposing faction |
| 01:25.49 | Legorol | ;-) |
| 01:25.57 | Relvox | oh, player I see. |
| 01:26.38 | Relvox | 1409 is the fix |
| 01:27.32 | Mikord | I think your AND has to be lowercase |
| 01:27.37 | Mikord | Correct Iriel? |
| 01:27.55 | Legorol | hm, for my first guild wars experience, do i |
| 01:27.57 | Legorol | 1) read manual first |
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| 01:28.04 | Legorol | 2) read online game guides first |
| 01:28.08 | Legorol | 3) just dive head first into the game |
| 01:28.14 | Legorol | decisions, decisions |
| 01:28.36 | Relvox | DIVE! |
| 01:28.44 | Iriel | Dive in |
| 01:28.50 | Iriel | there's an intro, if I recall correctly |
| 01:28.55 | Relvox | get to know stuff before you RTFM :P |
| 01:28.59 | Iriel | the whole first part of the game is essentially a tutorial |
| 01:29.03 | Legorol | i'd be tempted to, but you see.. if i dive, afterwards the online noobie guides will be useless |
| 01:29.13 | Legorol | i always find that i never use those |
| 01:29.30 | Legorol | e.g. in the case of WoW, how much info do you get from the Game Guide section of the website? |
| 01:29.33 | Legorol | i personally got very little |
| 01:29.39 | Legorol | seems like a waste... |
| 01:29.46 | Iriel | Because you're not the target audience |
| 01:29.52 | Legorol | who is? |
| 01:29.58 | Iriel | You're able to self-discover and experiment to figure things out |
| 01:30.00 | MentalPower | what are we talking about? |
| 01:30.02 | Iriel | Many many people cannot do that |
| 01:30.05 | Iriel | They need to be told |
| 01:30.09 | Legorol | hmm |
| 01:30.17 | Legorol | you might have a point there |
| 01:30.29 | Iriel | Perhaps they're new to games, or dont know the genre, or are just not certain, or have poor generalization skills |
| 01:30.32 | Legorol | i also love tutorials :) |
| 01:30.47 | Legorol | but i do love manuals too |
| 01:31.01 | Legorol | after getting my WoW box, i read the manual front to back, to make sure there is nothing in there i didn't know before |
| 01:31.03 | Legorol | there wasn't :/ |
| 01:31.30 | Legorol | you never know, maybe a shortcut key you didn't know about, or a useful slash command |
| 01:32.20 | Hexarobi | hehe, my friend got the rockstar table tennis game for 360 a few weeks ago, and we all spent the weekend playing it |
| 01:32.49 | Iriel | I usually read manuals cover to cover the first night AFTER playing a game |
| 01:32.51 | Hexarobi | each button puts a different kind of spin on the ball, left, right, top, back |
| 01:33.02 | Iriel | or maybe the first weekend day after, if it's a busy week |
| 01:33.09 | Iriel | (I got Prey last night but haven't read the manual yet) |
| 01:33.10 | Hexarobi | so finally after like a week of playing, im bored waiting for my turn and flip open the instruction book |
| 01:33.26 | Hexarobi | and the very first scentence i read, says try combining spins for deadly combo shots |
| 01:33.36 | Hexarobi | nobody realised you could hold down multiple buttons |
| 01:33.42 | Relvox | http://wow.pastecode.com/1410 |
| 01:33.45 | Relvox | Help please |
| 01:33.48 | Legorol | Iriel, i'm pretty much the same :) |
| 01:33.49 | Relvox | It errors |
| 01:33.58 | Iriel | and not AND |
| 01:34.08 | Iriel | Case matters, always, in lua. |
| 01:34.24 | Hexarobi | hey iriel thanks for all yer help yesterday |
| 01:34.30 | Hexarobi | finally got my first plugin published |
| 01:34.40 | Iriel | excellent! |
| 01:34.59 | Mikord | awesome grats hex |
| 01:35.26 | Hexarobi | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4560-1-soundshare.html |
| 01:36.34 | Kirkburn | Hmm, parents are getting up to go to Italy in less than 30mins |
| 01:36.42 | Kirkburn | I should pretend I've been sleeping ... |
| 01:36.58 | Relvox | yeah, that i fixed |
| 01:37.07 | Relvox | says it can't compare strings to numbers |
| 01:37.16 | Relvox | how do I declare a var as a number? |
| 01:37.26 | Relvox | damn it's 4:30 AM |
| 01:37.40 | Kirkburn | 2:30 AM for me =) |
| 01:37.41 | Hexarobi | var = var + 0? |
| 01:37.46 | cladhaire | YOu can compare numbers that ARE strings to numbers |
| 01:37.51 | cladhaire | local var = 12 |
| 01:37.51 | Hexarobi | no no |
| 01:38.07 | Legorol | is it possible to buy just GW:Factions without buying Prophecy? |
| 01:38.12 | Kirkburn | Parents went to bed at 9:30 PM (madness, I tell thee) |
| 01:38.24 | Relvox | I'll go on tomorrow |
| 01:38.27 | Relvox | right now I sleep |
| 01:38.29 | Relvox | night guys! |
| 01:38.36 | Kirkburn | Legorol: traitor! |
| 01:38.40 | RelSleep | Thanks for all the help!! |
| 01:38.46 | Kirkburn | g'night, RelSleep |
| 01:39.53 | Legorol | Kirkburn: whaa? |
| 01:40.09 | Legorol | nothing wrong with just trying the thing |
| 01:40.12 | ckknight | http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/12942/Quite_A_Chilling_Video |
| 01:40.37 | Shadowd|nax | i think i'll avoid that |
| 01:41.55 | kaso| | what sort of video is this, happy, cheerful, pleasing? |
| 01:42.17 | ckknight | America-related |
| 01:42.25 | ckknight | privacy issues |
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| 01:43.10 | kaso| | Man her voice is far too soft |
| 01:43.26 | ckknight | I can hear her |
| 01:46.00 | Shadowd|nax | she sounds so dramatic |
| 01:52.18 | kaso| | Seriously, making compairons to hitler is just showing how bad a debator you are. |
| 01:53.39 | ckknight | I agree, kaso |
| 01:54.11 | ckknight | here's one about soldiers coming across some thieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_N7s3T3BEs&search=paki |
| 01:57.44 | Kemayo | Unrelated to the topic at hand, but I wish to vent: Taking this cat to the vet is a bitch. |
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| 02:11.40 | Legorol | omg, post 12 in this thread: |
| 02:11.41 | Legorol | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=413780&p=1&tmp=1#post413780 |
| 02:11.44 | Legorol | it hurts! |
| 02:14.59 | Cogwheel | Maybe it would be simpler if we could put tabs in (or at least have a decent looking [pre]) |
| 02:27.00 | kaso| | why cant you do a,b=function Fred() DoStuff() end,1 |
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| 02:27.45 | Cogwheel | function fred() is semantically identical to fred = function() |
| 02:28.08 | Cogwheel | you need to do a,b=function() DoStuff() end, 1 |
| 02:28.20 | kaso| | ah |
| 02:28.21 | kaso| | lovely |
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| 02:32.01 | kaso| | Legorol : theres no attually basis in truth for this is there? |
| 02:34.04 | Kirov | No, it's true. Legorol is a circus midget from Balgaria. |
| 02:34.17 | Legorol | eh what? |
| 02:34.24 | Legorol | kaso|: what are you asking about? |
| 02:34.36 | kaso| | TargetUnitByNAme |
| 02:34.40 | Cogwheel | Bulgaria... |
| 02:34.42 | Cogwheel | :P |
| 02:35.04 | Legorol | since i'm neither a circus midget, nor am I from Balgaria, Kirov may invent any name he likes |
| 02:35.09 | Kirov | damn it cogwheel! |
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| 03:57.25 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is World of Warcraft Mod Dev Discussions |
| 03:57.36 | MentalPower | I "might" |
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| 03:57.52 | Legorol | you aren't breaking any laws by having knowledge of a product key |
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| 03:58.01 | Legorol | or any licences |
| 03:58.08 | Legorol | so would you be so kind as to give it to me? |
| 03:58.44 | MentalPower | well, I can generate a random strings of letters and numbers that could work as a W2K key |
| 03:58.52 | MentalPower | hows that for an answer :) |
| 03:58.57 | Legorol | ah that's not good |
| 03:59.03 | Legorol | it has to be a valid product key issued by MS |
| 03:59.31 | Legorol | but beyond that, it can be anyone's |
| 03:59.36 | MentalPower | then the answer is no, I don't have one |
| 03:59.42 | Legorol | ok |
| 03:59.44 | MentalPower | thought I could prolly find one |
| 03:59.51 | MentalPower | whats your point? |
| 03:59.54 | Legorol | don't worry, i don't intend to install it |
| 03:59.57 | Cogwheel | Some old MS products all followed the same pattern.... 123[4[5]]-33333[3[3[3]]] So if the boxes |
| 04:00.03 | Legorol | i was just extremely amused by the whole thing |
| 04:00.21 | Cogwheel | Office 95, even win95 iirc |
| 04:00.46 | Legorol | the reason why i can ask for a w2k product key is this. |
| 04:00.50 | MentalPower | so, you're saying I'm entitled (as a valid owner of WinXP Pro) to get product keys for older versions of Windows? |
| 04:01.00 | Legorol | only certain ones |
| 04:01.05 | Legorol | the ones listed in the EULA |
| 04:01.12 | Legorol | which are, afaik, W2K, ME, 98 SE |
| 04:01.25 | Cogwheel | Oooh! i have a 98se license :) |
| 04:01.32 | Cogwheel | do you want to ask me for the key? |
| 04:01.35 | Legorol | it's your responsibility to get ahold of the media, and a working product key |
| 04:01.42 | Legorol | Cogwheel: yes please, i might as well :) |
| 04:01.52 | Legorol | not as if i'd ever install it.. |
| 04:01.57 | Cogwheel | let's see if i can remember.... JM2YG-QR4DF-Q6YRD-CBFDW-9TG6T (that's from memory) |
| 04:02.08 | Legorol | from memory? O.o |
| 04:02.31 | MentalPower | yeah, I knew keys like that, but I promptly forgot them |
| 04:02.32 | Legorol | you've got an impressive memory |
| 04:02.42 | Cogwheel | When i was in my computer hardware class, i would try to see how many times i could reformat and install Win98 in the course of the class |
| 04:02.54 | Legorol | lol |
| 04:03.04 | Cogwheel | I had to practically teach that class because the teacher was so awful nobody else understood him |
| 04:03.20 | Legorol | i guess knowing a win98 product key is only slightly less useful than knowing Pi to 100 decimal places |
| 04:03.40 | Legorol | hehe, i had incidents like that too |
| 04:03.45 | MentalPower | you know Pi to 100 decimals? |
| 04:03.50 | Legorol | used to... |
| 04:03.53 | Legorol | i only know 25 now |
| 04:03.59 | Legorol | it was part of a bet |
| 04:04.12 | Cogwheel | i only know pi to about 3.1415926535897932384626433 something |
| 04:04.13 | Legorol | friend of mine came across a webpage saying it has a nice mnemonic for memorising Pi to 100 places |
| 04:04.28 | Legorol | Cogwheel, that's 25 decimal places |
| 04:04.31 | Legorol | and you got it right ;) |
| 04:04.42 | Legorol | friend thought these things don't work |
| 04:04.45 | Legorol | i thought they do |
| 04:04.48 | Legorol | so we made a bet |
| 04:04.54 | Cogwheel | yeah, but number 26 is 5+ so it would round to 34 at the end... |
| 04:05.03 | Legorol | i had a lunch break (roughly an hour long, including eating the lunch) to memorise 100 decimal places of Pi |
| 04:05.15 | Legorol | i remembered it for a few years after that, but i forgot it by now |
| 04:05.52 | Legorol | it's going to be interesting with vista.. |
| 04:06.04 | Legorol | i'm pretty sure vista will come with the same downgrade options in the licence as XP |
| 04:06.13 | Legorol | but it will be lot harder to donwgrade, because XP needs to be activated |
| 04:06.18 | Legorol | i wonder what M$ will do about this |
| 04:06.37 | Cogwheel | i've had to phone in activations and they're usually cool about whatever explanation you give |
| 04:06.46 | Legorol | hehe |
| 04:06.58 | Legorol | that doesn't mean i'm not pondering what the proper solution will be |
| 04:07.08 | MentalPower | does that clause also exist in other M$ products? |
| 04:07.16 | Legorol | i think so |
| 04:07.35 | Legorol | it's pretty standard for M$ EULAs to allow downgrade in the case of Pro versions |
| 04:08.03 | Legorol | i think it's to do with deployment in large organisations |
| 04:08.12 | Legorol | they want to encourage the organisation to buy, say, 100 XP licences, |
| 04:08.20 | Legorol | but don't force them to immediately upgrade all machines to XP |
| 04:09.00 | Legorol | the computing service around here ran a lot of computers with W2K for a few years after they all got XP licences |
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| 04:09.34 | MentalPower | what about from WinXP Pro to WinXP home? |
| 04:09.37 | MentalPower | is that covered? |
| 04:09.38 | Legorol | in their case the reason was that the new machines they bought came with XP licences, but the existing management/deployment infrastructure was set up for W2K |
| 04:09.44 | Legorol | MentalPower: no, that's not allowed |
| 04:10.13 | Legorol | and of course you are not allowed to dual boot two different versions etc. |
| 04:10.19 | Legorol | only one can be on the machine at a time |
| 04:10.49 | Legorol | which then leads to grey areas such as, can i have 2 different versions installed on two hard disks, |
| 04:10.53 | Legorol | and swap the hard disks in and out? |
| 04:12.38 | MentalPower | you said you'd thought of a solution once Vista came out? |
| 04:30.13 | MentalPower | goodnight Cairenn |
| 04:30.34 | MentalPower | sweet dreams |
| 04:31.04 | Cairenn|sleep | I'll happily settle for just no nightmares, although I'm not holding my breath |
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| 04:51.59 | gnorlish | ~msbt |
| 04:52.01 | purl | rumour has it, msbt is Mikk's Scrolling Battle Text, a possible SCT replacement, found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5153-2.0.html |
| 05:03.19 | KaeltenAway | night guys |
| 05:03.46 | Corrodias | what? replacement? blasphemy |
| 05:04.45 | ScytheBlade1 | SCT seems very well written |
| 05:05.39 | Corrodias | so does your mom |
| 05:07.21 | Corrodias | Grayhoof shows a hint of creativism in his post. |
| 05:08.11 | Kemayo | I like it - it does something that SCT doesn't, and flags damage that comes from my pet. |
| 05:08.20 | Corrodias | that is, the idea that people who make something first should have control over who gets ot use it and anything like it |
| 05:09.58 | Esamynn | wait a second, is it true of any FontString that if you call :SetText("") :GetText() will then return nil? |
| 05:10.23 | MentalPower | first time I've heard it Esamynn |
| 05:12.41 | Kemayo | ~witchhunt |
| 05:12.48 | Esamynn | ok, yes, I have confirmed it, they do |
| 05:12.48 | Kemayo | Nuts. |
| 05:12.54 | Esamynn | thats interesting |
| 05:15.21 | gnorlish | if mikma coded this as well as people are saying he did |
| 05:15.30 | gnorlish | and mem usage doesn't spike in 40 man raids |
| 05:15.38 | gnorlish | then he deserves praise |
| 05:15.59 | Kemayo | Aha! It took me a bit of digging, but I know what WitchHunt does! |
| 05:17.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone have a druid that has cat form, and uses flexbar? |
| 05:19.46 | Esamynn | gnorlish: to what are you refering? |
| 05:21.42 | Wobin | Man, I should patent inventory sorting =P |
| 05:21.50 | Wobin | So people don't steal my idea |
| 05:21.56 | Industrial | anyone here ever played DaoC? I need a pvp/rvr theurgist template (sorry my last resort) |
| 05:22.17 | Industrial | Wobin: shoot |
| 05:22.17 | Industrial | :D |
| 05:22.34 | Industrial | im playing on a freeshard, insta 30 (not 50) pretty fun |
| 05:22.47 | Industrial | 100 players online 24/7 |
| 05:22.53 | Industrial | so alsways someone to fight |
| 05:26.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Better question - anyone know how to open the flexbar events editor? |
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| 05:27.37 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1: There's a keybinding, isn't there? |
| 05:27.44 | Wobin | It's been a loooong while since I've used FB |
| 05:27.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. There is. |
| 05:28.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That's just plain backwards for flexbar. |
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| 05:48.35 | kergoth | heh |
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| 05:58.33 | s|loup | hi |
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| 06:43.39 | kergoth | damnit, i cant seem to upload a jpeg with an addon zip, it exceeds 30 seconds every time trying to upload the image :( |
| 06:44.18 | AnduinLothar | so.. what's the function that loads Blizzard_AuctionUI that I can hook? |
| 06:44.56 | Shadowed|nax | AuctionFrame_LoadUI |
| 06:45.03 | AnduinLothar | thank you |
| 06:45.13 | Shadowed|nax | Or if you want to be safe hook UIParentLoadAddOn |
| 06:45.26 | AnduinLothar | how safe.. |
| 06:45.45 | Shadowed | well, AuctionFrame_LoadUI just calls UIParentLoadAddOn |
| 06:46.04 | Shadowed | So if somebody wanted to ignore AuctionFrame_LoadUI and use UIParentLoadAddOn then your hook would never be ran |
| 06:46.23 | AnduinLothar | and why would that ever be done? |
| 06:46.43 | Shadowed | If I questioned why people did stupid things I would have gone crazy a long time ago |
| 06:46.49 | AnduinLothar | ok |
| 06:47.07 | AnduinLothar | i'm not gonna worry about that |
| 06:47.51 | AnduinLothar | ~lart Shadowed |
| 06:48.04 | Shadowed | hehe |
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| 07:08.19 | Kirov | Anyone know a good way to disable highlights on a button? |
| 07:09.11 | Kirov | with out :Disable() |
| 07:09.11 | chuckg | alt-f4 gets ride of them really fast. |
| 07:09.19 | chuckg | =D |
| 07:14.12 | kergoth | Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/wowinter/public_html/downloads/classes/image/work_image.php on line 555 |
| 07:14.35 | MoonWolf | Dolby-wowi are you around ? |
| 07:14.43 | MoonWolf | idle 54 hours |
| 07:14.47 | MoonWolf | guess not. |
| 07:15.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:21.40 | Industrial | another night of .. staying up |
| 07:22.30 | Industrial | While my pet tanks purple mobs in DaoC i alt tab and HoT over time (wich does roughly 200% the mobs damage in its time) |
| 07:22.44 | Industrial | mad xp |
| 07:22.45 | Industrial | :P |
| 07:23.19 | Industrial | and then go back to watching crap videos on google video and youtube and flaming people on forums - my routine |
| 07:23.55 | MoonWolf | Industrial, right. |
| 07:26.11 | Industrial | Well, not flaming, constructice criticism and facts. |
| 07:26.17 | Industrial | constructive* |
| 07:26.37 | AnduinLothar | anyone know when UnitFactionGroup("player") is availible? doesn't seem to work on pew |
| 07:27.47 | Kirov | worked for me |
| 07:27.56 | Kirov | "Alliance" "Alliance" |
| 07:28.46 | Shadowed | rofl |
| 07:28.55 | Shadowed | So you guys remember that TargetByName rumor? |
| 07:29.04 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-druid&t=983017&p=1&tmp=1#post983017 second post look at the "--User Interface " category |
| 07:33.14 | Industrial | they should move the LFG chat channel to the meeting stone system |
| 07:33.37 | Industrial | just set an lfg flag on yourself or look for other players |
| 07:33.47 | Industrial | I use who for that anyway whan i need a group |
| 07:33.50 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.52 | Shadowed | I just find it funny that he used the rumor in the patch notes, but also got the function wrong |
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| 08:18.27 | Corrodias | i.... |
| 08:18.33 | Corrodias | i wonder what it would be like to play diablo 2 again. >_> |
| 08:19.03 | AnduinLothar | i still have it installed.. |
| 08:19.08 | AnduinLothar | with my 78 pally.. |
| 08:19.22 | AnduinLothar | not on b.net obviously |
| 08:19.26 | Corrodias | my old accounts are both long gone, of course. and i don't know a THING about the xpac, which would help keep it a little fresh |
| 08:20.11 | AnduinLothar | xpac is fun |
| 08:20.15 | AnduinLothar | i love runewords |
| 08:21.19 | Corrodias | both of my old plays were only classic. man... those were some good times. |
| 08:21.27 | Corrodias | of course, i had FRIENDS, back then. |
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| 08:24.04 | Corrodias | i wonder if there are any good, usable maphacks |
| 08:25.28 | Corrodias | i recall mousepad started charging money for his... |
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| 08:31.06 | Corrodias | from a brief perusal of his forum, it looks like he's still having trouble getting it to work in the current version, whatever that is |
| 08:41.26 | Corrodias | wow, they've really hacked that game to death. perhaps i'd be best forgetting about it. :o |
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| 09:34.15 | RelSleep | Heya |
| 09:34.22 | Relvox | Good morning all! |
| 09:37.39 | zenzelezz | morning |
| 09:37.42 | Mery | Good Morning! |
| 09:39.56 | s|loup | hi |
| 09:41.55 | Relvox | How do I parse a string to a number in lua? |
| 09:42.08 | [Ammo] | tonumber(string) |
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| 10:33.47 | RelSleep | heya |
| 10:34.08 | Relvox | which events can I hook spells on? |
| 10:34.32 | Relvox | I mean, like how there's this priest addon that degrades healing spells on the fly |
| 10:34.54 | Relvox | I want that whenever I cast a spell, it will cast an additional instant spell with it. |
| 10:41.06 | mikk | Tadaa! I got my nick! =) |
| 10:41.18 | zenzelezz | :o |
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| 11:30.02 | Kaso | Are there any items in the game that are +damage not +damage/heal |
| 11:35.53 | [Ammo] | only the specific magic types |
| 11:37.05 | Kaso | Trying to find +holy is annoyingly hard |
| 11:37.14 | mikk | There's only like half a dozen total |
| 11:37.19 | mikk | And that's including low level shit |
| 11:37.39 | Kaso | I want to test if +holy effects PW:S like +frost effects Ice Barrier |
| 11:37.49 | mikk | Doubt it |
| 11:37.56 | mikk | PW:S should be affected by +heal |
| 11:38.39 | Kaso | I know but i wont settle till i see proof :> |
| 11:38.42 | mikk | haha |
| 11:42.30 | Mikma | gnorlish: i didn't code anything else than Bartender :P Mikord coded MSBT :) |
| 12:06.08 | esp|Syn | Is there a mod to allow me to track the number of items in a bag, but not specific to one item? |
| 12:09.58 | esp|Syn | nm got one :) |
| 12:10.09 | esp|Syn | Inventory Hawk |
| 12:12.40 | zenzelezz | dear god... I shouldn't idle on my guild's TS server this time of day |
| 12:12.47 | zenzelezz | 15-year olds spamming junk |
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| 13:03.54 | JoshBorke | morning |
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| 13:22.38 | zinor | ckknight, i hope they improve django's error handling :s |
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| 13:38.29 | zeeg | O.o |
| 13:38.30 | zeeg | two kirkburns |
| 13:43.09 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 13:43.15 | esp|Syn | i have a problem with my scrollbox |
| 13:43.27 | Beladona | you should see a doctor |
| 13:43.31 | esp|Syn | i know |
| 13:43.50 | Kirkburn1 | lol, I barely managed to log on here and I get disconnected already |
| 13:44.00 | Beladona | so um, yeah |
| 13:44.09 | esp|Syn | lol |
| 13:44.10 | Kirkburn1 | Beladona, what happened to the dotted underlines? =) |
| 13:44.19 | Beladona | they are there |
| 13:44.20 | esp|Syn | i have 50 lines |
| 13:44.21 | Beladona | oh wait |
| 13:44.28 | Beladona | they are on my local dev copy =D |
| 13:44.45 | Beladona | I am trying to fix another more annoying issue first |
| 13:44.45 | Kirkburn1 | :D Also, the 'view' link isn't centred for me |
| 13:44.49 | esp|Syn | but.. when i dont have 50 results |
| 13:44.51 | Beladona | me neither |
| 13:44.55 | Beladona | thats the next issue to tackle |
| 13:45.00 | esp|Syn | and i get an error when i try and load the tooltip of an empty line |
| 13:45.02 | Kirkburn1 | Much fun :P |
| 13:45.04 | zeeg | need help? |
| 13:45.05 | zeeg | <-- css pro |
| 13:45.26 | Beladona | go to wdn.wowinterface.com and load it in firefox and IE |
| 13:45.27 | Kirkburn1 | ^ Modest, too |
| 13:45.53 | Beladona | notice the "Version Database" is shifted up too close to the title in IE |
| 13:45.56 | zeeg | Kirkburn , i know ;) |
| 13:46.07 | Beladona | I have padding and margin set explicitly for the H2, H3, and H4 |
| 13:46.14 | Beladona | as wll as the containing div |
| 13:46.21 | Beladona | still it differs |
| 13:46.26 | Beladona | kinda peeving me off |
| 13:46.28 | zeeg | looks the same |
| 13:46.30 | Kirkburn1 | aye |
| 13:46.30 | zeeg | in ie7 at least |
| 13:46.36 | Beladona | I know I can use a different css for IE than FF, but I don't want to |
| 13:46.44 | Kirkburn1 | It's about 5 px higher in IE7, zeeg |
| 13:46.55 | zeeg | ah i see |
| 13:47.27 | zeeg | version database = what element |
| 13:47.30 | zeeg | so i dont have to look |
| 13:47.31 | zeeg | :s |
| 13:47.34 | Beladona | refresh both, I just uploaded a new css |
| 13:48.29 | zeeg | hrm |
| 13:48.33 | Kirkburn1 | Hasn't helped :( |
| 13:48.37 | Kirkburn1 | Wider though :) |
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| 13:48.41 | Beladona | aye |
| 13:48.47 | Beladona | and Kirov's new graphic |
| 13:48.54 | Beladona | and dotted underlines on links |
| 13:48.55 | zeeg | try using line-height |
| 13:48.58 | zeeg | instead of padding/margin's |
| 13:48.58 | Beladona | although still tweaking that |
| 13:49.00 | zeeg | on your headings |
| 13:49.05 | Beladona | I do have line height |
| 13:49.11 | Beladona | on h2, h3, and h4 |
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| 13:49.16 | zeeg | i dont see it |
| 13:49.27 | zeeg | ah i see it now |
| 13:49.31 | zeeg | hrm |
| 13:49.55 | Kirkburn1 | I can't understand it :/ |
| 13:50.12 | Beladona | the only thing I can think of is that it is treating the border / padding differently |
| 13:50.29 | Beladona | I know in IE6, padding inclued the border width |
| 13:50.31 | Beladona | but not in FF |
| 13:50.33 | zeeg | its a box model issue |
| 13:50.39 | zeeg | try margin vs padding on #page |
| 13:50.44 | zeeg | ah wait |
| 13:51.48 | zeeg | try padding instead of margin on the heading actually |
| 13:52.20 | zeeg | width: 908px;; background: #808080 url(img/header.jpg) no-repeat top right; |
| 13:52.23 | zeeg | i would do |
| 13:52.29 | zeeg | background: #color url() top right no-repeat; |
| 13:52.37 | zeeg | but thats just to follow standards |
| 13:52.40 | zeeg | and you have an extra ; |
| 13:53.04 | zeeg | you should space out your css too : |
| 13:53.06 | zeeg | :s |
| 13:53.14 | zeeg | html {min-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 0.1px;} img {border: none;} |
| 13:53.27 | Beladona | I know |
| 13:53.30 | Beladona | I did that on purpose |
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| 13:54.35 | zinor | i would also remove font-size from a {} |
| 13:54.52 | zinor | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=lcompare&id=11115462 |
| 13:54.57 | zinor | as it looks strange changing font-sizes within elements |
| 13:55.00 | Beladona | I wanna try something |
| 13:55.13 | zinor | possibly change the black text up top to be white as well |
| 13:55.27 | zinor | or add right padding to it so it doesnt overlap the bg |
| 13:55.40 | Beladona | I will get to that, but for now, the padding issue is all I care about |
| 13:55.45 | Beladona | I have a long list of changes |
| 13:55.57 | Beladona | but I don't want to complicate things till I have solved the top padding |
| 13:56.05 | zinor | :) |
| 13:56.21 | zinor | if line-height didnt fix anything id remove it |
| 13:56.34 | Kirkburn | You could try a different method entirely? |
| 13:57.01 | zinor | the method that's used would be the normal way of doing it, and the optimal |
| 13:57.04 | Beladona | line-height made the text look better imho |
| 13:57.06 | zinor | although the logo should be clickable |
| 13:57.14 | esp|Syn | guys |
| 13:57.18 | zinor | line-height will center text, its good if you have fixed height |
| 13:57.18 | esp|Syn | is != not equal? |
| 13:57.21 | zinor | yes |
| 13:57.49 | esp|Syn | chhers |
| 13:57.51 | zinor | Beladona, id cut out the logo text, make that a link on the page |
| 13:57.55 | zinor | and make the bg that little building |
| 13:58.05 | Beladona | its not a building |
| 13:58.07 | Beladona | its a bookcase |
| 13:58.16 | zinor | oh |
| 13:58.17 | zinor | lol |
| 13:58.20 | zinor | hard to tell :) |
| 13:58.23 | Beladona | and making the logo clickable forces the image to push the text down |
| 13:58.32 | Beladona | which means the text doesn't flow into the logo like I want it |
| 13:58.42 | zinor | i can help you change that |
| 13:58.44 | zinor | its fairly easy |
| 13:58.48 | Beladona | thats what the breadcrumbs are for |
| 13:58.49 | zinor | but logo should always be clickable :) |
| 13:58.54 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 13:58.55 | zinor | its somewhat of a standard |
| 13:58.56 | Beladona | tough |
| 13:58.58 | Beladona | =P |
| 13:59.03 | zinor | you can set negative margins as well |
| 13:59.09 | zinor | makes it easy to flow text into a logo like that |
| 13:59.18 | zinor | did you try padding instead of margin |
| 13:59.18 | Kirkburn | The spacing should be 60px from text to top, no? |
| 13:59.19 | zinor | on headings |
| 13:59.22 | zinor | 60+12 |
| 13:59.30 | zinor | ive had some ie7 issues myself tho |
| 13:59.33 | Beladona | from the text to the top of the div yes |
| 13:59.34 | esp|Syn | how do i escape a function? |
| 13:59.38 | zinor | where things get pushed up if there's padding |
| 13:59.42 | zinor | but not if its margin |
| 13:59.53 | zinor | add a border to the div Beladona, real quick |
| 13:59.58 | zinor | i dont have web dev tools installed yet |
| 14:00.17 | Beladona | um |
| 14:00.26 | Beladona | the div does have a border.... |
| 14:00.28 | zinor | #page |
| 14:00.34 | zinor | oh |
| 14:00.40 | zinor | erm ya |
| 14:00.40 | zinor | hrm |
| 14:00.48 | esp|Syn | how do i escape a function? |
| 14:00.51 | zinor | well put an <hr /> before the <h2> |
| 14:01.05 | zinor | btw it defeats the purpose of using headers if you dont use <h1> |
| 14:01.22 | Beladona | only if you think it does |
| 14:01.25 | Beladona | I don't |
| 14:01.31 | zinor | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=lcompare&id=11125464 - for example, you should have <h1> being like 1.11.1.5462 to 1.11.2.5464 comparison summary |
| 14:01.40 | zinor | Beladona, im basing this off of se/standards |
| 14:01.43 | zinor | as its what i do for a living :) |
| 14:01.56 | Beladona | padding issue.... main problem.... |
| 14:02.09 | zinor | did you try padding vs margin on h2 |
| 14:02.12 | Beladona | very focused I am, yes |
| 14:02.26 | Kirkburn | Evidently :) |
| 14:02.53 | Beladona | hold please, adding background colors to h2, h3, and h4 to help visualize where they start and end |
| 14:02.56 | zinor | i wonder if i still have my SE article |
| 14:03.06 | zinor | http://www.davidcramer.net/other/5/search-engine-standards.html |
| 14:03.06 | zinor | :D |
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| 14:05.17 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 14:05.21 | esp|Syn | i have a problem now.. |
| 14:05.40 | esp|Syn | i have a addon that logs pvp deaths, and allows you to display the killers names in a frame. |
| 14:05.49 | Ratbert_CP | esp|Syn: Penecillin will clear it up |
| 14:06.06 | zinor | so they say |
| 14:06.06 | esp|Syn | but.. it loads it from savedvariables. which will only update when they logout.. |
| 14:06.43 | Cairenn | zinor: "(10:02:55) zinor: i wonder if i still have my SE article" *my* SE article? |
| 14:06.49 | esp|Syn | is there a way to make it realtime.. without causing problems? |
| 14:06.53 | mikk | no |
| 14:06.54 | zinor | Cairenn? |
| 14:07.05 | zinor | ya i wrote that |
| 14:07.23 | zinor | that.. is.. my blog :) |
| 14:07.38 | Kirkburn | Why the sudden name change? :) |
| 14:07.42 | Cairenn | but ... I thought you weren't zeeg? |
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| 14:09.29 | Beladona | oops, accidentally closed the wrong chat |
| 14:11.46 | Beladona | apparently the problem is with FF |
| 14:11.49 | Beladona | not IE |
| 14:11.54 | zinor | did you fix it? |
| 14:11.55 | Kirkburn | oooooh |
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| 14:12.08 | Beladona | no but I found that FF is pushing the text down 72px not 60 |
| 14:12.27 | zinor | its supposed to Beladona |
| 14:12.32 | zinor | your h2 has margin: 12px 0; |
| 14:12.33 | Cairenn | morning Cogwheel |
| 14:12.34 | zinor | 60+12 |
| 14:12.48 | Beladona | right |
| 14:12.51 | Kirkburn | could this be what we're looking for? |
| 14:12.57 | Beladona | which means IE isn't using that |
| 14:13.21 | Beladona | I should be able to set padding-top to 0 and have it work |
| 14:13.23 | Cogwheel | IE takes off the top margin on the first H's |
| 14:13.25 | Cogwheel | iirc |
| 14:13.25 | zinor | ya, did you try padding on the heading? |
| 14:13.27 | MoonWolf | making it a Ie problem again. |
| 14:13.33 | MoonWolf | an IE* |
| 14:13.42 | Beladona | true |
| 14:13.46 | Cogwheel | kind of like H1:first-child {margin-top: 0} |
| 14:14.29 | Kirkburn | why? |
| 14:14.53 | Kirkburn | as in, is it a bug, or a strange idea the IE team once had |
| 14:15.29 | Beladona | it makes no sense |
| 14:15.34 | Cogwheel | It might be that they figure the margin-top is only there for when you have content above it? Who knows what went on at MS... :P |
| 14:15.54 | Beladona | they programmed for THEIR coding style |
| 14:15.59 | Beladona | not the standard |
| 14:16.27 | Kirkburn | They did so well at the start (first CSS browser, for example) ... and then it all went to their heads :P |
| 14:16.38 | Beladona | that fixed it |
| 14:16.46 | Kirkburn | woot |
| 14:16.51 | Cogwheel | They seem to have finally gotten a kick in the pants from FF :D |
| 14:16.55 | Beladona | both browsers display the same now |
| 14:16.56 | Kirkburn | Now, dotted underlines :P |
| 14:17.15 | Cogwheel | (this is still discussing wdn.wowi.com, right?) |
| 14:17.28 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 14:17.36 | Kirkburn | Beladona, confirmed, identical :P |
| 14:18.17 | MoonWolf | Not that firefox adheres to all the standards either. |
| 14:18.26 | Kirkburn | Aye |
| 14:18.47 | Cogwheel | Well, it sure does a whole lot better than IE6... |
| 14:18.55 | MoonWolf | Indeed. |
| 14:19.08 | Beladona | no browser is 100% compliant |
| 14:19.18 | Beladona | but some come closer than others |
| 14:19.18 | Cogwheel | hehe... that's why CSS 2.1 was invented |
| 14:19.48 | Kirkburn | Doesn't FF currently mess up part of the 2.1 spec? |
| 14:19.55 | Beladona | honestly, I don't care. When IE7 comes out and becomes common, I can finally use png without hacks |
| 14:19.57 | Cogwheel | probably |
| 14:20.00 | Beladona | thats my goal |
| 14:20.07 | Kirkburn | Yeah, Beladona |
| 14:20.08 | Cogwheel | I know it doesn't pass ACID2 |
| 14:20.13 | Kirkburn | I can't wait |
| 14:20.20 | Kirkburn | (Acid2 is overrated =) |
| 14:20.31 | MoonWolf | passing ACID2 isn't all that hard. |
| 14:20.32 | Beladona | the Firefox beta for 2.0 is supposed to be fairly more compliant |
| 14:20.38 | MoonWolf | If you really want too. |
| 14:20.46 | Beladona | but not sure how much more |
| 14:21.00 | zinor | Beladona, ya i was shocked at how much better ie7 is |
| 14:21.01 | Kirkburn | Only if you break many pre-existing websites |
| 14:21.19 | Cogwheel | Yeah, i've tried out the FF beta. I know they changed *something* because Slashdot is slightly borked in it |
| 14:22.28 | Kirkburn | IE8 will have much of the new standards in - should be good :D Plus IE7 still has more dev time, so who knows what might get in it |
| 14:22.44 | MoonWolf | IE8 ? |
| 14:22.58 | Kirkburn | Yeah ... they have a plan to release frequent updates now |
| 14:23.04 | MoonWolf | wow |
| 14:23.05 | Cogwheel | I would hope so.. |
| 14:23.11 | Cogwheel | 5 years sure was a long time |
| 14:23.11 | Kirkburn | IE8 will be the standards compliance version |
| 14:23.14 | MoonWolf | thats a new one. |
| 14:23.22 | Beladona | IE7 is supposedly standards locked though. Further development is on UI and usability |
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| 14:23.34 | Cogwheel | yep. i just read that the other day |
| 14:23.55 | Kirkburn | Indeed Beladona, there won't be much more new stuff in IE7, just more bug fixes |
| 14:24.12 | Cogwheel | can't wait 'till they can do :before and :after... my money making guide puts check marks next to visited links ;) |
| 14:24.55 | Kirkburn | The plan is at least one new major version every year |
| 14:25.08 | esp|Syn | Hrm, how can i store information into a realtime table, then save to savedvars when the user logs out? |
| 14:26.06 | Cogwheel | in your TOC put #SavedVariables nameovvar or #SavedVariablesPerCharacter nameofvar |
| 14:26.30 | Cogwheel | whenever your addon uses nameofvar, it will be saved on logout |
| 14:26.44 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 14:26.52 | esp|Syn | i do that already.. |
| 14:27.25 | esp|Syn | but any new info i store in there.. cant be access untill the use re-logs |
| 14:27.28 | esp|Syn | or reloadsui |
| 14:28.03 | Kaso | This TargetByName rumor thats going around, has there been anything to back it up at all? |
| 14:28.19 | Tain | And here I thought there was no progress to be made in the world of mouse input devices. I was wrong! http://www.footmouse.com/ |
| 14:29.33 | Kaso | Ha thats the best tag-line ever |
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| 14:30.38 | Kirkburn | Haha Kaso |
| 14:30.40 | zinor | a foot mouse O.o |
| 14:30.43 | zinor | interesting |
| 14:31.08 | Kirkburn | Kaso, I should ask: are you serious? ;) |
| 14:31.21 | Kaso | About te TargetByName or the tag-lien |
| 14:31.27 | Kirkburn | TargetByName |
| 14:32.01 | Kirkburn | Cos, er, blame Iriel |
| 14:32.06 | Kaso | Well ive seen it in a few different places now, and im wondering wether it's just one persons twisted imagenation or that i've missed some blue post that was on US |
| 14:32.51 | esp|Syn | lol |
| 14:33.36 | Kaso | just so i know |
| 14:34.17 | Cairenn | yeah, we wouldn't *possibly* deliberately start a rumour like that just to pull attention away from the inspect range |
| 14:35.01 | Kirkburn | Kaso, notice who is the second poster on the EU thread (and also, the 3rd ;) |
| 14:35.06 | JoshBorke | not you Cairenn, you're an angel ;) |
| 14:35.17 | Cairenn | *I* haven't posted anything |
| 14:35.19 | Kaso | hm? so this was all some big set-up that noone told me about! |
| 14:35.35 | Cairenn | Kaso: teach you not to be in channel, won't it? :p |
| 14:35.44 | Kaso | You evil people! |
| 14:36.38 | Kirkburn | You compliment us so ... |
| 14:36.56 | Kaso | well you'll be please to know your rumor has made it into a fake patch notes someone is distrubting |
| 14:37.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 14:37.11 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 14:37.18 | Kirkburn | Where be they? |
| 14:37.25 | Cairenn | linkage! |
| 14:37.32 | Kaso | http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1958996 <-- but you need membership |
| 14:37.51 | Kirkburn | Classic .... "What's afoot?!" |
| 14:37.57 | Kirkburn | "That thing on the end of your leg." |
| 14:38.17 | Kaso | They spelt it wrong though :"TargetByUnit() no longer works for pets, totems, or players of the opposite faction." |
| 14:38.32 | Kirkburn | That's cause someone else did too |
| 14:38.47 | Kirkburn | i.e. Mikk |
| 14:39.01 | Kirkburn | (aka Feeth) |
| 14:39.25 | Kaso | what a noob |
| 14:40.09 | Kirkburn | aye |
| 14:40.13 | Kirkburn | Time for breakfast |
| 14:41.11 | Kirkburn | ... or time to find my D2 box |
| 14:42.51 | Kirkburn | I'm an idiot |
| 14:43.09 | Kirkburn | I've been looking for it for ages, and it was in a box I took the top of two days ago |
| 14:43.27 | Kirkburn | It is, in fact, underneath me right now |
| 14:44.03 | Kirkburn | *sigh* |
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| 14:55.40 | End | ugh, tired |
| 14:55.49 | End | today is gonna suck |
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| 15:08.55 | Beladona | Kirkburn: critique wdn for me |
| 15:09.10 | Beladona | and yes, still trying to center the "View" link |
| 15:09.16 | Kirkburn1 | Sure |
| 15:09.39 | Kaso | whats with the random houses? |
| 15:09.46 | Kirkburn1 | Bookcase! |
| 15:09.55 | Kaso | oh |
| 15:10.04 | Kaso | it looks like a street of terrace houses to me |
| 15:10.11 | Kirkburn1 | I'm fighting for control my my laptop - it's installing D2 |
| 15:11.17 | Kirkburn1 | sooo slooow |
| 15:12.09 | Kirkburn1 | White text at the top maybe? |
| 15:12.16 | Beladona | I might change the logo to just a few books on end, no book case |
| 15:12.20 | Beladona | seems to be confusing people |
| 15:12.36 | Kirkburn1 | Only cause they're blind :P |
| 15:12.47 | Kaso | hey! |
| 15:13.06 | Kirkburn1 | Looks nice, esp with the dotted links |
| 15:13.17 | Kirkburn1 | The page seems to have no title? |
| 15:13.35 | Kirkburn1 | I just get the link name in the title bar |
| 15:13.42 | Kirkburn1 | (url, even) |
| 15:13.45 | Beladona | right |
| 15:13.47 | Beladona | no title |
| 15:13.58 | Beladona | I could add them, I just did't |
| 15:14.18 | Kirkburn1 | If the image was moved up slightly to get rid of the 'roof' appearance, I don't think it would be as confusing |
| 15:14.18 | Beladona | I used a light gray color for the text at the top, try a refresh |
| 15:14.24 | Beladona | white stood out too much |
| 15:14.30 | Kirkburn1 | Nice |
| 15:14.52 | Beladona | hmm... |
| 15:14.59 | Beladona | might change the breadcrumb to another color |
| 15:15.02 | Beladona | to differentiate it |
| 15:15.57 | Kirkburn1 | The inactive links on the live server versions - maybe lighter text instead of darker (to differentiate it further?) |
| 15:16.23 | Kaso | Sports Races, Racin' Sports! |
| 15:17.44 | Kirkburn1 | On the comparison summary pages, the background is the same colour as the 'location' lines - the ones that link folders/files |
| 15:19.16 | Cairenn | hi Kaelten |
| 15:19.24 | Kaelten | hows it going? |
| 15:19.40 | Beladona | not sure I get your meaning Kirkburn |
| 15:20.00 | Kirkburn | The dotted lines that run down the side of the lists of files |
| 15:20.06 | Kirkburn | Which link them |
| 15:20.08 | Cairenn | not bad at present, my (week long and counting) migraine has subsided, at least for the moment ... you? |
| 15:20.10 | End | the folder tree thing? |
| 15:20.16 | End | like the "tree" itself? |
| 15:20.20 | Kirkburn | mmm |
| 15:20.21 | End | is that what you mean Kirkburn? |
| 15:20.27 | Kirkburn | yeah |
| 15:20.31 | Beladona | oh yeah I know |
| 15:20.35 | Kirkburn | Tree is the word I was looking for ;) |
| 15:20.37 | End | yeah, you can see it on highlighted lines only I've noticed |
| 15:20.39 | Beladona | I have new icons ready to go |
| 15:20.42 | Kirkburn | woot |
| 15:20.48 | Beladona | just not sure if I want to remove them or make them darker |
| 15:22.13 | Kirkburn | I think it just needs a 'suggestion' of colour |
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| 15:23.47 | Kirkburn | Sorry, IRC crashed |
| 15:23.55 | esp|Syn | lies |
| 15:24.19 | Kirkburn | the D2 install decided to test "3dfx glide" ... XChat isn't a fan it seems |
| 15:24.44 | Kirkburn | No idea if I actually sent this line: |
| 15:24.47 | Kirkburn | Personally, I would give the greys a slight tinge of colour (e.g. slightly blue), but that's just be. Maybe give the page background something (I keep doing pinstripe ones myself) |
| 15:24.47 | Legorolo | Beladona: am i allowed to criticise too |
| 15:24.56 | Kirkburn | *me |
| 15:25.16 | Cairenn | critique, not criticise ;) |
| 15:25.16 | Kirkburn | I think it's a really nice design though, I'm just being picky =) |
| 15:25.38 | Kirkburn | Yeah, at least 'critique' isn't quite so negative :P |
| 15:25.40 | Legorolo | Cairenn: i'm bad at being a critique, but i'm good at criticising. Can't we come to a compromise? ;-) |
| 15:25.46 | Beladona | yeah critique away |
| 15:25.52 | Beladona | if I don't like your opinion, I just ignore it |
| 15:25.56 | Legorolo | i thought critique is a noun :) |
| 15:25.57 | Beladona | =P |
| 15:26.00 | End | critiqize |
| 15:26.04 | Legorolo | lol |
| 15:26.09 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:26.10 | Legorolo | anyway, the problem i have is with the grey colouring |
| 15:26.16 | Legorolo | i'm sure others mentioned this too |
| 15:26.23 | Legorolo | but the white (test server) lines appear more prominent to me, |
| 15:26.25 | Kirkburn | You mean like me, the lines before you asked |
| 15:26.28 | Legorolo | despite the 3D bevels |
| 15:26.34 | Legorolo | well not quite what Kirkburn said |
| 15:26.40 | Legorolo | i'm adding my own angle on it ;-) |
| 15:26.44 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 15:26.46 | End | the gray ones stick out more to me actually |
| 15:27.03 | Legorolo | ok looks like it's based on personal preference |
| 15:27.08 | End | probably |
| 15:27.20 | End | or personal interpretation |
| 15:27.22 | Legorolo | for me, the white ones stick out more because the grey/black text on white is much more prominent, than the black text on grey |
| 15:28.24 | Legorolo | to be honest i'm never a great fan of sites that do black on grey, or (god forbid) grey on black |
| 15:28.26 | Kirkburn | hrm |
| 15:28.42 | Legorolo | i think that there should be contrast between the background and text colour |
| 15:29.00 | Legorolo | zinor: nothing personal |
| 15:29.03 | Legorolo | ;-) |
| 15:29.08 | zinor | O.o |
| 15:29.25 | zinor | did you guys see PS is free for a year |
| 15:29.37 | Kirkburn | PS? |
| 15:29.43 | Beladona | photoshop? |
| 15:29.51 | zinor | planetside |
| 15:29.55 | Beladona | oh |
| 15:29.58 | Beladona | they must be desperate |
| 15:30.06 | zinor | Beladona, i still suggest removing font-size from your a tags so the breadcrumb link doesnt get resizd |
| 15:30.06 | zinor | ya |
| 15:30.25 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah, was gonna mention that |
| 15:30.29 | zinor | it would also be cool if you could actually collapse folders :) |
| 15:30.39 | Beladona | font size isn't in any of my tags |
| 15:30.44 | Beladona | they are defined in css |
| 15:30.47 | Legorolo | hmm, now that i think about it, i find this weird.. |
| 15:30.53 | zinor | ya in the a {} is what im saying |
| 15:31.02 | Legorolo | after all the default colour schemes in windows are such that UI elements (e.g. buttons) have black text on grey |
| 15:31.05 | Beladona | why would I remove them? |
| 15:31.07 | Legorolo | and i find those perfectly visible |
| 15:31.15 | Beladona | they will take a default size that way |
| 15:31.26 | zinor | ya I also feel that your grays are too extreme |
| 15:31.38 | Beladona | I don't |
| 15:31.54 | zinor | Beladona, use the size in your body tag or something, just remove it from the a tag |
| 15:31.56 | Kirkburn | Get windowblinds and get a windows style that doesn't look rubbish :) |
| 15:32.00 | Beladona | gray is the new cool |
| 15:32.14 | Beladona | I already removed it from a |
| 15:32.19 | Beladona | it is defined globally now |
| 15:32.20 | Legorolo | ok, how about making the white ones have a more depressed look |
| 15:32.25 | Legorolo | and i don't mean in the emotional sense |
| 15:32.32 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 15:32.38 | Legorolo | i.e. give them a negative bevel or whatever it's called |
| 15:32.45 | Legorolo | you know, as if they have been pushed into the page |
| 15:32.52 | Beladona | it didn't look right |
| 15:32.58 | Legorolo | right |
| 15:33.01 | Beladona | wth negative and positive bevels next to each other |
| 15:33.06 | Beladona | I tried that though |
| 15:33.22 | Legorolo | ok, imagine that one of those grey lines is a button you can click |
| 15:33.32 | Legorolo | how would it look like if you pressed it? |
| 15:33.38 | Beladona | some day soon ;D |
| 15:33.52 | zinor | strange |
| 15:33.54 | Legorolo | yeah how about that... make the white lines also grey |
| 15:34.01 | Legorolo | but make them have negative bevel |
| 15:34.03 | Legorolo | wouldn't that work? |
| 15:34.26 | zinor | ah also Beladona, i would recommend pt or em over px for font's |
| 15:34.38 | zinor | and your #page on the width still has that extral semicolon :) |
| 15:35.14 | zinor | hrm it's strange that the * {} font is overriding the h2 a |
| 15:36.01 | Thrae | Is Iriel around? |
| 15:36.19 | Beladona | no, but we are |
| 15:36.38 | Thrae | Well, would you guys know the overhead of converting 60 Fontstrings to Metadata tables? |
| 15:36.48 | Legorolo | Beladona: i was meaning to ask this, are you interested in having the enGB versions too? |
| 15:36.48 | Thrae | Specifically, the memory overhead. |
| 15:36.57 | Legorolo | and deDE, frFR etc. |
| 15:37.16 | Legorolo | they only tend to differ in Localization.lua and GlobalStrings.lua |
| 15:37.37 | Legorolo | not very exciting, but for localization work having GlobalStrings.lua in all the languages is useful |
| 15:37.54 | End | I think it'd be great to have them put up -somewhere- at least |
| 15:37.55 | Beladona | added a background color for wdn |
| 15:37.59 | Beladona | to make it less "gray" |
| 15:38.11 | Legorolo | yay! now it's definitely Windowsy |
| 15:38.12 | Legorolo | :) |
| 15:38.15 | Thrae | Wait...I have an idea. |
| 15:39.14 | zinor | if you use blue on the outside, you should probably use it somewhere else as well :) |
| 15:39.40 | Legorolo | ok this might be a bit tongue-in-cheek, i don't intend it like that (so apologies in advance): i'd much rather see stuff like being able to download a unified diff of the changes than various stylistic improvements.. |
| 15:40.41 | Beladona | its coming lego |
| 15:40.52 | Legorolo | Beladona, how much work would it be on your part to at least produce a concatenated file, with all the individual diffs? Since you can already click on each change individually, |
| 15:40.52 | Beladona | first was the redesign |
| 15:40.55 | Legorolo | ok |
| 15:40.55 | Beladona | then new features |
| 15:40.59 | Legorolo | fair enough |
| 15:41.07 | Legorolo | i'll shut up now |
| 15:41.10 | Beladona | its easy to put diffs up |
| 15:41.21 | Beladona | I have them in that form before I get the xml version of it anyway |
| 15:42.34 | Legorolo | what do you do to convert them to XML? |
| 15:42.45 | Legorolo | do you have your own parser, or something nifty you found somewhere? |
| 15:43.46 | Beladona | I just use a merge/comparison program |
| 15:43.56 | Beladona | that can output in most diff formats |
| 15:44.02 | Beladona | as well as html and xml |
| 15:44.15 | Beladona | I get it in xml,and use my own xsl to display it |
| 15:44.29 | Beladona | but I have to edit some of the xml by hand to get some of the data I need |
| 15:44.48 | Beladona | I have a set of regex search expressions that I use to speed it up though |
| 15:45.07 | Legorolo | nifty |
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| 15:45.26 | Legorolo | for the XML files, is it possible you reduce the TAB size from 8 to something smaller? |
| 15:45.28 | Legorolo | say 4 or 2 |
| 15:45.30 | Beladona | the site is kind of a weird cross-hybrid of xml/xsl and php |
| 15:45.38 | Legorolo | it's a very useful site! |
| 15:45.53 | Beladona | reason being is the php rewrites the xml with some relevant dynamic data that I need, saving me time in rewriting every xml by hand |
| 15:46.28 | Legorolo | in fact the site is so good i'm tempted to abandon my similar efforts i have been doing privately |
| 15:46.38 | Beladona | ;D |
| 15:46.40 | Legorolo | nothing fancy, just a copy of each interface version and some diff files for my use |
| 15:47.02 | Legorolo | i just commit each version to an SVN each time, so i can ask it for a unified diff |
| 15:47.10 | Beladona | about the enGB, it is too difficult for me to maintain several language versions when in reality the main differences are in the localizations |
| 15:47.19 | Legorolo | right |
| 15:47.28 | Legorolo | so would you like at least a copy of the localizations? |
| 15:47.38 | Legorolo | because even US authors often need GlobalStrings.lua in localized versions |
| 15:47.42 | Legorolo | for example for combat log parsing |
| 15:47.47 | Beladona | I might consider doing some kind of link on certain files where you can click to see alternate language versions |
| 15:47.56 | Legorolo | right |
| 15:48.12 | Beladona | Globalstrings is a bear to parse though |
| 15:48.26 | Beladona | I don't even do syntax highlighting on it because it takes so long |
| 15:48.34 | Legorolo | well i just thought that if anything, wdn is the most appropriate place for these files |
| 15:49.02 | Beladona | I think in my tests it took up to 57 seconds to styntax highlight Globalstrings online |
| 15:49.19 | Beladona | most people don't want to wait that long for a file to display |
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| 15:55.02 | Legorolo | I have version 1.8.2 of the interface files, if you'd like them |
| 15:55.17 | Legorolo | they are enGB, but the only difference would be in Localization.lua |
| 15:55.22 | Legorolo | and i doubt that that's changed from 1.8.1 |
| 15:56.24 | Beladona | keep them on hand |
| 15:56.27 | Beladona | but don't send them yet |
| 15:56.51 | Beladona | I still have to think about how I want to do it |
| 15:58.17 | Legorolo | well in the enGB version, there is no change in Localization.lua from 1.8.1 to 1.8.2 |
| 15:58.25 | Legorolo | so that'd be the same for US as well |
| 15:58.43 | Legorolo | so you can take the enGB version, replace Localizaiton.lua with the US version from 1.8.1, and voila, you have the 1.8.2 US version |
| 15:58.45 | Legorolo | that's what i had in mind |
| 16:00.42 | Beladona | aye |
| 16:01.03 | Beladona | see, right now I store all of the changelogs in zip files |
| 16:01.14 | Beladona | and grab stuff from it as needed |
| 16:01.24 | Beladona | makes my file structure much more sane, as well as storage space |
| 16:01.43 | Beladona | so I have the download as a zip |
| 16:01.48 | Beladona | and the changelogs as a zip |
| 16:02.03 | Beladona | I would probably add another zip for localizations, and just have the GlobalStrings in it |
| 16:02.18 | Beladona | with each one named for what version it is |
| 16:02.28 | Beladona | or what language rather |
| 16:03.14 | Beladona | brb, quick afk |
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| 16:13.47 | morlando | morning... (again) |
| 16:13.58 | morlando | woops.. wrong user name... |
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| 16:20.21 | Legorolo | hmm... why is the US UI forum categorized as a "support" forum |
| 16:20.28 | Legorolo | it makes the whiners flock there |
| 16:20.32 | zinor | lol |
| 16:20.43 | Legorolo | at least in EU, it's in the General category |
| 16:21.31 | zinor | which it should be |
| 16:21.44 | cogwheel | That would definitely make a difference... Since they're putting up new forum software soon, maybe Slouken can help us out with that :) |
| 16:22.16 | cogwheel | Soon® that is... |
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| 16:27.28 | Beladona | back |
| 16:27.32 | Cairenn | front |
| 16:27.38 | End | side |
| 16:27.41 | Beladona | to side |
| 16:27.49 | Cairenn | boooring |
| 16:28.01 | Kirkburn | in, out, shake it all about? |
| 16:28.09 | Beladona | that didn't sound right |
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| 16:28.53 | Kirkburn | So, it appears Diablo 2 is incompatible with XChat |
| 16:29.04 | Kirkburn | How, I haven't the faintest clue |
| 16:32.46 | Kirkburn | Anyone know of a way to increase the D2 res? |
| 16:34.21 | Beladona | D2 suffers from the same limitation as Starcraft |
| 16:34.32 | Beladona | default rez, no way to change |
| 16:34.39 | Beladona | which sucks for us LCD users |
| 16:35.43 | Kirkburn | Somewhat |
| 16:36.30 | cogwheel | weren't they originally for DOS? |
| 16:37.44 | Kirkburn | Don't think D2 was |
| 16:39.08 | Beladona | nay |
| 16:40.33 | Kirkburn | Back to the game :) |
| 16:42.16 | esp|Syn | does titan panel have a homepage? |
| 16:42.28 | Cairenn | not that I've ever heard of |
| 16:42.36 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 16:42.56 | esp|Syn | its hard writing a mod to work for it.. since it uses custom functions for alot of stuff :/ |
| 16:42.58 | Cairenn | and if it did, the question would then be, which one? given how many different versions are floating around out there now |
| 16:43.20 | esp|Syn | Surely there had to be a place that list the functions and what they do? |
| 16:43.25 | Cairenn | nope |
| 16:43.29 | Cairenn | no documentation |
| 16:43.45 | esp|Syn | :( |
| 16:44.16 | Beladona | I believe the original died, and was revived twice, and in the interum when there was no development, people that liked it developed their own versions |
| 16:44.34 | Beladona | hence the scattered titanpanel-like addons there are now |
| 16:45.18 | esp|Syn | Well, im making an addon for a friend. and since he uses titan panel i thought it would be nice to implament it into there |
| 16:45.48 | esp|Syn | but.. i cant make head nor tail of the saved variable function :/ its seems to set the var to 1 no matter what value you choose :/ |
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| 16:51.19 | Seracht | hi |
| 16:51.21 | Seracht | http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/7185/sbui46nr.jpg |
| 16:51.26 | Gryphen | heya |
| 16:51.30 | Seracht | what mod to get my text to look like that |
| 16:51.32 | Cairenn | hi Seracht |
| 16:51.33 | Seracht | like my chat and all |
| 16:52.58 | Seracht | hey |
| 16:56.40 | Kaso | "Downloads Message - You are not authorized to view this file... " :< |
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| 17:00.45 | Cairenn | lol http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/video-elaborate-video-game-hoax |
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| 17:09.31 | Legorolo | good morning Cairenn |
| 17:09.36 | Legorolo | i hope you had a pleasant sleep |
| 17:09.45 | Cairenn | morning Legorolo |
| 17:09.55 | Cairenn | well, I slept, which was an improvement |
| 17:10.16 | Kaso | that video's great |
| 17:10.25 | Cairenn | lol, riot, isn't it? |
| 17:12.50 | Legorolo | hmm... no sound here |
| 17:12.51 | Kaso | don't pick up the orb! |
| 17:12.55 | Legorolo | that kinda defeats it |
| 17:12.57 | Cairenn | hehehhee |
| 17:13.04 | Legorolo | i'll watch it later |
| 17:13.18 | Legorolo | i had my first GW experience last night |
| 17:13.22 | Legorolo | what can i say, interesting |
| 17:13.33 | Legorolo | needs a bit of getting used to after WoW |
| 17:13.52 | Legorolo | although I was used to the general immaturity level of the players :) |
| 17:15.51 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 17:16.03 | Cairenn | it really did make it into the "leaked patch notes" |
| 17:16.05 | Cairenn | hahahhahahaha |
| 17:17.25 | zinor | ya they're fake |
| 17:17.35 | Cairenn | no kidding |
| 17:18.17 | Kaso | :> see what your evil plans have done! |
| 17:20.16 | End | wasn't it Iriel's evil plan? |
| 17:20.25 | End | because Iriel was "bored"? |
| 17:20.31 | Cairenn | actually, the "bored" part was my spin |
| 17:20.37 | End | oh, well then |
| 17:20.41 | End | that changes evvverrrything |
| 17:20.42 | Legorolo | leaked patch notes? |
| 17:20.45 | Legorolo | i'm interested :) |
| 17:20.50 | Legorolo | i always find them amusing to read |
| 17:21.05 | Cairenn | it was because he was trying to come up with something to get folks to stop bitching about the changes to inspect range |
| 17:21.16 | Kaso | Legenerdary Rank 14 weapons ! totally belivable! |
| 17:21.31 | Cairenn | and that was what we collectively came up with |
| 17:22.48 | Cairenn | errr, not that I would condone something like that, of course, nor allow this channel to be used for such a devious purpose *flutters lashes innocently* |
| 17:23.40 | End | it wouldn't surprise me if a few of the changes in the fake patch notes actually end up happening, but it's pretty obviously fake |
| 17:24.01 | Cairenn | Legorolo: http://forums.curse-gaming.com/showthread.php?p=34351#post34351 |
| 17:24.23 | Legorolo | hmm. |
| 17:24.23 | End | (well, some will obviously happen, like rogues get their talent points refunded) |
| 17:24.33 | Legorolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.43 | Legorolo | that's an interesting one, we discussed it in here at length |
| 17:24.48 | Legorolo | isn't the author someone from here? ;-) |
| 17:26.08 | End | hmm |
| 17:26.12 | End | some of those ideas are interesting |
| 17:26.17 | End | "Recipes for drinks that restore mana have been added. These recipes will require water from different sources (e.g. Redridge Lake spring water) that can be collected with bottles that are sold from vendors." |
| 17:28.12 | Kaso | Did you know you can learn smelt elementium without even having Mining :> |
| 17:28.17 | End | yes |
| 17:28.33 | MentalPower | hmm... this seems unlikely "Attempting to link loot that does not exist on the server at that moment will no longer disconnect the player; instead an error message will be reported and the loot will not be linked." |
| 17:28.49 | End | yeah, that's pretty unlikely |
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| 17:28.59 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 17:29.06 | End | considering the disconnect is to prevent data mining ;p |
| 17:29.18 | End | (or so I've heard) |
| 17:29.28 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Beladona -> World of Warcraft Mod Dev Discussions - Official! Shaman can wear jetpacks in patch 1.12! More at eleven |
| 17:30.04 | Beladona | ok maybe thats not believable enough |
| 17:32.06 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Beladona -> World of Warcraft Mod Dev Discussions |
| 17:32.22 | Beladona | suddenly it got so quiet |
| 17:32.29 | Kaso | Wear? thats not believable, they'd just get them innately they wouldnt have to wear them! |
| 17:32.47 | End | Beladona: maybe it did, but you didn't hear it from me! |
| 17:32.52 | Beladona | only after eating beans, that can only be made by a cook |
| 17:33.00 | Cairenn | ewwww |
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| 18:00.03 | RelSleep | is there a way to test my addons without actually having to log in and out of WoW? |
| 18:00.16 | Kaso | maybe |
| 18:00.30 | Kirov | Rel - To reload the code you mean? |
| 18:00.37 | RelSleep | a) yes |
| 18:00.40 | RelSleep | b) no |
| 18:00.47 | Kirov | ... |
| 18:00.48 | End | you can just reload the ui if you aren't adding files |
| 18:00.48 | Kaso | thats two awnser for one question! |
| 18:01.00 | Kirov | Am I supposed to circle one? |
| 18:01.01 | RelSleep | how? |
| 18:01.07 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.15 | Kirov | or, alternatively, /script ReloadUI() |
| 18:01.25 | Kaso | (note you cannot reloadUI if you change the TOC file) |
| 18:01.26 | RelSleep | awesome thanks ^^ |
| 18:01.36 | Tem | BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 18:01.39 | Tem | "TargetByUnit() no longer works for pets, totems, or players of the opposite faction." |
| 18:01.49 | Tem | The rumor made it's way into the fake patch notes on curse |
| 18:01.52 | Kirov | Tem - finally got there, eh? |
| 18:02.12 | End | it's not like TargetByUnit() works anyways ;p |
| 18:02.16 | Tem | nope |
| 18:02.23 | Shadowed | Temm: Isn't it great? |
| 18:02.26 | Tem | lol @ people who write fake patch notes |
| 18:02.27 | End | now, TargetByName() or TargetUnit() on the other hand... |
| 18:02.49 | RelSleep | is there a wow emulator or something like that to test scripts without running wow? |
| 18:03.04 | Shadowed | He also said "second variables" and not "saved variables" regarding the nil stuff |
| 18:03.22 | Kirov | Rel - you can test lua, but not the WoW API. |
| 18:03.57 | Tem | OOOH! Someone needs to link those fake notes in the rumor thread |
| 18:04.05 | RelSleep | oh yeah, I wanted to ask, how do I define a global variable for my script? |
| 18:04.10 | Tem | give it further "credibility" |
| 18:04.45 | RelSleep | or can I make it local to my entire script? |
| 18:05.13 | Tem | if you put "local" in front of the variable, it's local to the current scope |
| 18:05.20 | Tem | if you don't, it's global |
| 18:05.41 | RelSleep | can the entire script be the scope? |
| 18:05.47 | Tem | keep in mind that an entire file is basically a chunk |
| 18:05.56 | Shadowed | Tem: Blue already posted saying they were fake |
| 18:06.08 | Tem | so "local X" at the top of your file would make it local to that file |
| 18:06.13 | Tem | Shadowed, aww |
| 18:06.21 | Tem | ruin our fun |
| 18:06.26 | Kirov | Rel - http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/ |
| 18:06.30 | Shadowed | first time they've done it too :( |
| 18:06.33 | RelSleep | I know than manuals. |
| 18:06.44 | Shadowed | think the topic is due for another bump though |
| 18:10.27 | RelSleep | http://wow.pastecode.com/1449 <- what's wrong here? |
| 18:10.52 | Kirov | what's the problem you're seeing? |
| 18:11.00 | Shadowed | You have an extra bracket |
| 18:11.08 | Shadowed | line 15 |
| 18:11.32 | Shadowed | err or not |
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| 18:12.25 | Relvox | damn,. silly mistake |
| 18:12.26 | Relvox | Fixed :P |
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| 18:12.35 | Shadowed | missed an end? |
| 18:12.47 | Relvox | just now I found where I missed it |
| 18:13.00 | Relvox | i hate this loose syntax |
| 18:13.08 | Iriel | ? |
| 18:13.15 | Relvox | why can't it be a bit more c like |
| 18:13.16 | Iriel | What loose syntax? You'd better not be referring to lua |
| 18:13.35 | Iriel | Lua has a very small and tight syntax |
| 18:13.46 | Iriel | a million times more consistent than say, C++ |
| 18:14.05 | Relvox | no way man |
| 18:14.07 | End | or perl |
| 18:14.23 | Relvox | well, fuck cpp but C# man, it's heaven |
| 18:14.24 | Iriel | Trust me, i've written parsers for both. |
| 18:14.46 | Iriel | The problem is either (a) you've been coddled by syntax aware editors, and are not using one for lua or |
| 18:14.50 | Iriel | (b) you just dont understand lua yet |
| 18:14.53 | cogwheel | D > C++/C/C# |
| 18:15.23 | Kirov | Personally I prefer Z#+ |
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| 18:17.42 | Iriel | About the only thing I can think of to criticise lua's syntax for is the ; thing |
| 18:18.07 | Relvox | the ; is the only thing that keeps it civil |
| 18:18.08 | Abenadi | if I want to check that a player isn't dead, should I use UnitHealth > 0, UnitIsDead, or UnitIsDeadOrGhost? |
| 18:18.20 | esp|Syn | does anyone know if the titan panel dev kit still exsists? |
| 18:18.21 | Abenadi | with a not in front of the latter two of course |
| 18:18.31 | Iriel | Abenadi : UnitIsDeadOrGhost, I would say |
| 18:18.36 | Abenadi | ok |
| 18:18.36 | Iriel | Abenadi : Since you have 1 HP as a ghost |
| 18:18.39 | Kirov | I'd criticise lua's "then" and "end" ... just because I end up writing it when ever I'm doing stuff in other languages and can't figure out where my syntax went wrong. |
| 18:18.40 | Abenadi | ah |
| 18:19.07 | Relvox | there should be a c to lua translator |
| 18:19.17 | Kirov | There is |
| 18:19.26 | Iriel | Relvox : Write one, then you'll know how much more annoying C syntax is 8-) |
| 18:19.26 | Kirov | well, c++ to lua |
| 18:19.27 | Kaso | HQ9+ is the king of programing languages! |
| 18:19.29 | Kirov | and lua to c++ |
| 18:19.29 | Kaso | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HQ9+ |
| 18:19.46 | Relvox | why cpp to lua |
| 18:19.51 | Relvox | lua isn't OOP |
| 18:19.54 | cogwheel | I prefer Brainfuck |
| 18:19.59 | Kirov | If you want a programming language with an annoying syntax, try MEL |
| 18:20.12 | Iriel | lua is about as OO as C++ is |
| 18:20.18 | Iriel | it's just not statically typed |
| 18:20.38 | Iriel | Actually, it's arguably MORE OO because functions are first class objects |
| 18:20.47 | Kirov | MEL is like they worked really hard at coming up with as many ways to define a function call as possible. |
| 18:21.00 | cogwheel | Here's a "Hello World!" program in BF: ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>. |
| 18:22.00 | End | you do need to use metatables to get some of the features you'd expect |
| 18:22.24 | End | in the end, metatables offer -a lot- more flexibility |
| 18:22.46 | Iriel | Indeed, metatables are a critical part of lua as a full blown language |
| 18:22.58 | Kirov | myProc( $var1, $var2 ); |
| 18:22.58 | Kirov | myProc $var1 $var2; |
| 18:22.58 | Kirov | `myProc $var1 $var2`; |
| 18:22.58 | Kirov | all valid syntax for calling the proc (MEL's word for function) myProc, but each have their own special case uses. |
| 18:23.20 | Kirov | And you _have_ to use the correct one or it breaks. |
| 18:23.46 | End | ouch |
| 18:24.12 | Kirov | you can also do eval("myProc $var1 $var2") |
| 18:24.22 | Kirov | which is also required in some cases |
| 18:25.25 | Kirov | cogwheel - perfectly readable btw |
| 18:26.12 | Beladona | Iriel: when you said the only thing you would criticize lua for is the ; thing |
| 18:26.21 | Beladona | did you mean that it doesn't require them for correct syntax? |
| 18:26.54 | cogwheel | What? you can't figure out how that works from your previous programming experience? |
| 18:26.56 | cogwheel | :P |
| 18:27.18 | End | Beladona: what else would it be? |
| 18:27.19 | End | although |
| 18:27.27 | Beladona | I always use ; |
| 18:27.32 | Beladona | it only seems right |
| 18:27.41 | Kirov | I usually use ;, sometimes I forget. |
| 18:27.42 | Beladona | I hate people that insist on not terminating their code |
| 18:27.51 | End | I think there are a few places where you -need- them, but I can't think of an example |
| 18:27.55 | cogwheel | I never use ; 'cause most of my lua code goes in macros and it's a waste of space :) |
| 18:28.01 | Kirov | I use it mostly so I do it in other languages |
| 18:28.02 | cogwheel | nope. never needed |
| 18:28.07 | Beladona | yeah see, I don't use macros for lua code |
| 18:28.15 | Beladona | unless you count reloadUI |
| 18:28.25 | Beladona | and I use a ; there too |
| 18:28.28 | Beladona | hehe |
| 18:28.35 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.49 | cogwheel | hehe... I'm too lazy to get a sort auctions by buyout addon so i just type /script SortAuctionItems("list","buyout") |
| 18:29.29 | cogwheel | 'course my wife handles all our mules so i don't visit the AH too often |
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| 18:43.24 | Iriel | Beladona : I dont know how i'd resolve it, I kind of like semicolons myself but I can see logic in not including them if they're unnecessarily |
| 18:43.36 | Beladona | I guess |
| 18:43.43 | Beladona | but I am used to them from other languages |
| 18:43.45 | Beladona | so I use them |
| 18:44.00 | Beladona | my brain is already conditioned for code termination |
| 18:44.09 | Iriel | I think it makes more maintainable code to use them |
| 18:44.11 | Beladona | so seeing code without it makes me squirm |
| 18:44.51 | Legorol | I like ; in Lua, and I like to leave them out in macros :) |
| 18:45.17 | Iriel | I enjoy the perversion of macro cramming |
| 18:45.24 | Iriel | but in real code I use spaces and semicolons |
| 18:45.25 | Beladona | that sounds obscene |
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| 18:45.27 | Beladona | hehe |
| 18:45.46 | Beladona | the new trend for insults "cram it up your macro!" |
| 18:46.10 | Legorol | yah macro cramming is great fun! |
| 18:46.25 | Beladona | you can do it alone, or with a partner! |
| 18:46.35 | Beladona | anyway... |
| 18:46.41 | Legorol | i had posed a challenge in here once, for the shortest macro using only functions in the default UI for doing symmetrical 1H<->2H weapon switching |
| 18:46.51 | Beladona | yeah, I remember that |
| 18:46.56 | Legorol | noone bothered :( |
| 18:47.06 | Beladona | I bet it could be done |
| 18:47.09 | Beladona | I bet I could write it |
| 18:47.12 | Legorol | i think my record was 144 chars |
| 18:47.16 | Beladona | the problem is, I don't feel like it right now |
| 18:47.16 | Legorol | yeah it's easy to write |
| 18:47.20 | Legorol | the question is, what's the shortest ;-) |
| 18:47.50 | Beladona | is Kirov in here? |
| 18:47.54 | Legorol | anyway |
| 18:47.57 | Kirov | yes |
| 18:48.03 | Beladona | that iamge you sent me |
| 18:48.05 | Beladona | image |
| 18:48.10 | Beladona | of the book case on wdn |
| 18:48.21 | Beladona | would you be able to make one with just books, no book case |
| 18:48.32 | Beladona | people seem to think it is a building for some reason |
| 18:48.38 | Kirov | sure |
| 18:48.48 | End | that's interesting... |
| 18:49.18 | Beladona | everything else is pretty much done on wdn I think |
| 18:49.20 | End | return --5 seems to be valid lua, as is x=--5 |
| 18:49.24 | End | but foo(--5) isn't |
| 18:49.39 | Iriel | x=--5 is not valid |
| 18:49.49 | Iriel | Well, it sort of is |
| 18:49.53 | Iriel | -- is a comment start, rmember |
| 18:49.53 | End | it "works" |
| 18:49.56 | End | oh |
| 18:49.57 | Beladona | aye |
| 18:49.57 | End | well |
| 18:50.00 | Beladona | I was going to say |
| 18:50.02 | End | that expains that! |
| 18:50.04 | Iriel | so it depends on your context |
| 18:50.32 | End | that definitely explains my confusion |
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| 18:50.49 | End | and that'll teach me to go without syntax highlighting |
| 18:51.19 | End | (although, comments aren't listed in the "complete syntax of lua") |
| 18:51.39 | End | (but then again, they probably get eaten away before anything else anyways...) |
| 18:53.23 | End | (although...) |
| 18:53.59 | Iriel | They're not part of the grammar since they're a lexical entity |
| 18:54.13 | End | yeah, that makes sense |
| 18:54.22 | Iriel | (which is exactly what you said by 'eaten away before anything else' 8-)) |
| 18:54.57 | End | yeah |
| 18:55.14 | cogwheel | hehe... it even has a chimney... |
| 18:57.27 | Kirov | http://www.merton.ox.ac.uk/images/oldlibrary.jpg |
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| 18:59.57 | Beladona | I am looking for a set of books that are pictured nearly the same angle as those, but can't find any |
| 18:59.58 | Beladona | yet |
| 19:02.35 | cogwheel | you could probably get a decent effect with selection tools in photoshop... just cut off the "roof"... |
| 19:03.47 | cogwheel | This one has about the same angles in it, though the books are laying horizontally: http://www.sacred-texts.com/books.jpg |
| 19:06.12 | cogwheel | http://www.dorsetforyou.com/media/images/0/1/Booksshelf.jpg |
| 19:06.25 | End | ok, this time, I don't think I'm being stupid |
| 19:06.32 | End | foo"""foo""" |
| 19:06.40 | End | (and it makes sense to me) |
| 19:06.43 | End | but it looks weird |
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| 19:07.12 | End | (incidently, you need to have a function that returns a function that returns a function |
| 19:08.12 | Iriel | http://www.library.missouriwestern.edu/multimedia/brd1.jpg |
| 19:10.50 | Beladona | nice, I like that one Iriel |
| 19:16.15 | esp|Syn | i decided i wana be a body guard |
| 19:22.06 | zinor | whys that |
| 19:22.52 | esp|Syn | i wana be able to say cool crap like "i cant promise you anything, appart from the fact if your dead, chances are iam too" |
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| 19:23.25 | Iriel | Beladona : Good, because I haven't been able to find a better one 8-) |
| 19:23.36 | Iriel | Beladona : Though google image search FTW on that one |
| 19:24.11 | Beladona | yeah I was using google too |
| 19:24.16 | cogwheel | ditto |
| 19:26.23 | Beladona | Iriel: added dotted underlines to links on wdn, is that close to what you wanted? |
| 19:26.40 | Iriel | Let me look |
| 19:26.48 | Iriel | I just want something that stops me clicking on unclickable text 8-) |
| 19:26.55 | Beladona | hehe |
| 19:27.19 | Iriel | That works, the orangey color for the links in the table and no underlines would work too, but that may look odd |
| 19:27.53 | cogwheel | I think that might look a bit better, actually... |
| 19:27.54 | Beladona | yeah |
| 19:27.56 | Iriel | I'd be inclined to re-order the columns, by the way |
| 19:28.00 | Iriel | version, toc, date |
| 19:28.04 | Beladona | it looks bad on a white background though |
| 19:28.23 | Beladona | I can do that pretty beasily |
| 19:28.27 | Beladona | err easily even |
| 19:29.09 | Beladona | I am going to be adding tooltips to thinks like TOC to explain what TOC is |
| 19:29.19 | Beladona | for people that are new to ui custmization |
| 19:30.38 | cogwheel | title="" or css popups? ;) |
| 19:30.55 | Beladona | css popups |
| 19:31.25 | Beladona | same funtionality as stuff on worldofwarcraft.com, with item tooltips |
| 19:32.02 | cogwheel | I'm planning to add those to my money making guide... I don't name enough items yet for them though... |
| 19:32.44 | Iriel | Beladona : Getting picky now, but i'd replace one of the two occurrences of "This site" in the 2nd paragraph with some other phrase. |
| 19:32.55 | Beladona | k |
| 19:33.48 | cogwheel | I'll just have to be satisfied with a:visited:after { content: " ✓" } for now |
| 19:35.13 | End | check mark? |
| 19:35.31 | cogwheel | yeah. Apologies to those not using UTF8 :) |
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| 19:38.35 | Iriel | You should use the appropriate &# code in a CSS rather than the literal anyway, for those non-UTF8'ers |
| 19:38.54 | Beladona | Kirov: you still working on a header with books? |
| 19:38.57 | Iriel | Or those with UTF8 and a crappy font |
| 19:39.00 | Beladona | my attempt looks stupid |
| 19:39.31 | cogwheel | Last I tried, content rules don't correctly handle HTML entities... |
| 19:40.42 | Beladona | a:visited:after doesn't work in ie does it? |
| 19:40.52 | Beladona | not pre7 anyway |
| 19:41.04 | chuckg | What would aftr apply to? |
| 19:41.07 | cogwheel | nope. I change the color too |
| 19:41.27 | cogwheel | :after adds content to the end of an element |
| 19:42.16 | cogwheel | Though it's technically a separate element in the DOM, it inherits its formatting from the element it's attached to. |
| 19:42.30 | chuckg | Wait you can write content through CSS now? |
| 19:42.43 | cogwheel | Well, according to the spec, anyway :P |
| 19:42.46 | chuckg | What's the point in that? |
| 19:42.50 | chuckg | Just write the content to the content. |
| 19:42.56 | chuckg | Keep the definitions in the CSS! |
| 19:43.10 | Beladona | because css can apply to multiple elements, saving code |
| 19:43.24 | chuckg | Oh I understand the concept. |
| 19:43.37 | cogwheel | It makes for some neat tricks too (like my check mark after visited links) |
| 19:44.01 | chuckg | It's still getting silly :) |
| 19:44.18 | Beladona | no more than html |
| 19:44.36 | End | it's more like stylistic content |
| 19:44.53 | End | than just content |
| 19:44.56 | cogwheel | exactly. it's not really content, it's presentation |
| 19:45.02 | Beladona | its still considered a stylistic element |
| 19:45.09 | Beladona | you can make it a bullet |
| 19:45.13 | Beladona | or a dash |
| 19:45.15 | Beladona | anything |
| 19:45.19 | Beladona | and changed via css |
| 19:45.28 | Beladona | seems to fit with the overall spirit of css to me |
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| 19:45.49 | Legorol | does anyone know a good standard font included in windows, which has a lot of unicode characters? |
| 19:45.50 | End | my userContent.css changes pdf and new window links to have [pdf] and [new] after them :P |
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| 19:46.44 | cogwheel | on my company's website I'm using » & « to indicate the current section |
| 19:48.56 | zinor | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/news-244-1-patch-112-live-on-test-servers-and-patch-notes.html |
| 19:48.57 | cogwheel | BTW: i just tested and no, html entites don't render properly when used in CSS content rules |
| 19:49.18 | End | I'm not surprised |
| 19:50.24 | cogwheel | the guide specifically mentions Unicode & advanced CSS... most of the browsers that don't properly support Unicode won't support :after anyway... |
| 19:51.47 | Beladona | interesting |
| 19:51.52 | Beladona | that page is borked for me in FF |
| 19:52.22 | End | yes |
| 19:52.33 | End | it is |
| 19:52.54 | End | wow |
| 19:52.56 | End | I can copy my char |
| 19:53.02 | End | or a char |
| 19:53.07 | End | I guess those -are- legit |
| 19:53.15 | zinor | refresh Beladona |
| 19:53.25 | End | (pre-made char that is) |
| 19:53.42 | Beladona | still borked |
| 19:53.59 | Beladona | clearing cache... |
| 19:54.02 | End | and now I'm downloading the 1.12 PTR patch |
| 19:54.04 | Beladona | nope, still borked |
| 19:54.14 | Beladona | the text is not wrapping, and is breaking the layout |
| 19:55.19 | gnorlish | it's screwed in IE too |
| 19:55.22 | gnorlish | as far as i can tell |
| 19:55.52 | End | yeah |
| 19:55.59 | End | it looks far worse in IE for me though |
| 19:56.40 | zinor | kep refreshing |
| 19:56.42 | zinor | ctrl+f5 if you have to |
| 19:56.43 | zinor | :s |
| 19:56.46 | End | lol |
| 19:56.47 | zinor | i editd the article but we use a caching system |
| 19:56.52 | End | so...I copy a character over |
| 19:57.19 | End | it lets me keep the default name until it finishes and goes oh! you can't copy a char over, name taken already |
| 19:57.25 | Beladona | uhh |
| 19:57.31 | Beladona | mine worked |
| 19:57.37 | End | mine did the second time around |
| 19:57.45 | End | but the second time around it queried for a new name |
| 19:59.07 | Beladona | ok, I cut the top off that book case on http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 19:59.10 | Beladona | does it look better? |
| 20:00.54 | Kaso | looks less like a street of houses now :> |
| 20:01.57 | zinor | bye bye SCT :( |
| 20:02.01 | zinor | they added floating combat text |
| 20:03.42 | Beladona | really |
| 20:03.53 | Beladona | good |
| 20:04.08 | Beladona | hopefully it is implemented in the world like dmg is above mobs |
| 20:04.29 | Beladona | SCT will still exist for stuff other than dmg numbers |
| 20:04.36 | Beladona | like buffs, debuffs, skills |
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| 20:05.02 | Beladona | wish my patch would hurry up |
| 20:05.28 | Beladona | is the test server actually up? or is this just a prelim patch + notes |
| 20:05.33 | End | mine aborted |
| 20:05.38 | End | it connected, but couldn't download |
| 20:05.42 | End | which I've never seen before |
| 20:05.43 | Beladona | mine is downloaded |
| 20:05.45 | zinor | ill have a mirror up in a sec |
| 20:05.48 | End | cool |
| 20:06.01 | Beladona | but it threw a fit about updating my current test directory |
| 20:06.07 | Beladona | so I had to delete and let it make a new one |
| 20:06.08 | zinor | oh |
| 20:06.11 | Beladona | which takes forever |
| 20:07.13 | End | oh cool, just like eviscerate having a new book, there is a new book for ferocious bite (druid finisher) |
| 20:07.32 | cogwheel | If anyone wants to take a look at my money making guide, you can see it here: http://home.comcast.net/m_orlando/cogs-money.html ... There's still one section I haven't completed yet. I'd appreciate any feedback on either the content or the style. |
| 20:07.44 | Shadowed | Page URL Not Found!! |
| 20:07.47 | cogwheel | er... there's supposed to be a ~ in front of m_orlando |
| 20:08.16 | cogwheel | http://home.comcast.net/~m_orlando/cogs-money.html |
| 20:08.28 | zinor | wtf money making guide? |
| 20:08.29 | Shadowed | technically there is a legendary BOE |
| 20:08.39 | zinor | is this a spam bot? |
| 20:08.47 | cogwheel | who me? |
| 20:08.47 | Shadowed | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=17771 |
| 20:08.59 | zinor | yes you :s |
| 20:08.59 | Beladona | ok wtf kind of message is this |
| 20:09.13 | cogwheel | no... I was talking about CSS and stuff earlier and I mentioned it |
| 20:09.29 | Beladona | Shield Slam: This ability will sometimes no longer remove more than one beneficial effect from the targetShield Slam: this ability will sometimes no longer remove more than one beneficial effect from the target |
| 20:09.40 | Beladona | so is it sometimes? or never? |
| 20:09.55 | zinor | lol |
| 20:09.58 | zinor | sometimes never |
| 20:09.59 | zinor | :) |
| 20:10.07 | End | whoa |
| 20:10.10 | End | +30 Spell Damage Enchantment: Fixed a bug with this enchantment which was preventing it from benefiting healing spells. |
| 20:10.11 | Beladona | I play a war as my mine |
| 20:10.17 | Beladona | main |
| 20:10.21 | End | that's -supposed- to benefit healing spells? |
| 20:11.03 | Thrae | Beladona: Using the Principle Of Charity, it's probably "This ability now has a chance to fail in removing more then one beneficial effect." |
| 20:11.43 | End | interesting... |
| 20:11.44 | End | The Items that summon mounts have been changed in their color/quality. Items that summon normal mounts are now blue(superior)items and items that summon swift mounts are now purple(epic) items. |
| 20:11.49 | AnduinLothar | damage+healing prolly |
| 20:11.56 | End | AnduinLothar: well yeah |
| 20:11.57 | Thrae | End: I thought all damage enchants were "+X to damage and healing" ? |
| 20:12.07 | End | Thrae: not until now apparently |
| 20:12.08 | Thrae | All non-elemental damage enchants |
| 20:12.24 | Shadowed | go post the 1.12 patch notes somewhere :( |
| 20:12.33 | End | all Equip effects specifically say "damage and healing", but spell power just says spell power |
| 20:12.43 | Beladona | all this work on wdn, and now I get to do a new compare |
| 20:12.48 | zinor | guys |
| 20:12.50 | zinor | those patch notes werent complete |
| 20:12.53 | zinor | refresh the page |
| 20:12.54 | zinor | theres more |
| 20:12.58 | zinor | www.curse-gaming.com - links there |
| 20:13.15 | Thrae | "Fixed a bug where Shamans weren't dealing as much damage as they were suppose to." |
| 20:13.39 | End | I don't like the "V key" change |
| 20:13.43 | End | it no longer shows friendly npcs |
| 20:13.49 | Thrae | I should smart a rumor that's in the secret patch notes ;) |
| 20:14.10 | Thrae | What? You can't get the health bars of friendly players? |
| 20:14.15 | Thrae | s/players/NPCs/ |
| 20:14.23 | End | apparently no longer |
| 20:14.28 | Shadowed | cry |
| 20:14.28 | Shadowed | Sword Specialization: This ability can no longer trigger off of itself. |
| 20:14.29 | Shadowed | :( |
| 20:14.36 | End | "V key functionality has been improved in several ways. " <-- I -greatly- disagree |
| 20:14.38 | AnduinLothar | char copy working for anyone else? |
| 20:14.43 | End | it worked for me |
| 20:14.44 | Shadowed | nope |
| 20:14.45 | Thrae | That's going to escorts quests tricky |
| 20:14.47 | End | took me two tries though |
| 20:14.53 | Thrae | At least the ones that expect you to heal your NPC |
| 20:14.57 | End | well, I was thinking of the rajaxx fight |
| 20:15.28 | End | I can keep the npcs up pretty easily on my own (at least until rajaxx himself comes), but if I can't see their health bars... |
| 20:15.37 | AnduinLothar | dude... we always used V for rajaxx.. |
| 20:15.40 | Shadowed | Shift-V now shows friendly targets only, not enemies (with a new bindable hotkey.) |
| 20:15.41 | zinor | sec im fixing the damn page |
| 20:15.45 | End | oh |
| 20:15.52 | Shadowed | read the whole thing :p |
| 20:15.53 | End | Shadowed: thanks for catching that! |
| 20:16.02 | End | yeah |
| 20:16.08 | AnduinLothar | ahh |
| 20:16.10 | Thrae | "OMG OMG OMG...oh wait, that's actually kinda cool" ;) |
| 20:16.14 | End | yeah |
| 20:16.14 | Shadowed | lol |
| 20:16.14 | Shadowed | New floating combat text has been added to the game with a number of options. You can see when you take damage, when you are healed and how much, when you acquire and lose auras and much more. You can turn on the new options in the newly revised options screen. |
| 20:16.16 | End | pretty much |
| 20:16.34 | AnduinLothar | lol, sct replacing? |
| 20:16.45 | Shadowed | I'm kind of disappointed so far |
| 20:16.49 | Shadowed | nothing really interesting |
| 20:17.01 | Beladona | SCT = reduced functionality now that wow will have floating dmg numbers |
| 20:17.05 | Shadowed | heh, they just nerfed windfury |
| 20:17.13 | Thrae | You know, I actually wish Blizzard would get better with adding things to their UI, so you can disable more parts of it and have them actually -leave- memory on game exit and restart. |
| 20:17.30 | Thrae | Not every computer has 5243MB of RAM |
| 20:17.50 | Shadowed | anyone have a download mirror up yet? |
| 20:17.51 | Beladona | no but 1gb or higher is fairly common nowadays |
| 20:18.00 | Beladona | I have 2gb |
| 20:18.14 | Thrae | Well WoW has always been touted as "low-end friendly" |
| 20:18.19 | mikk | bull |
| 20:18.20 | Thrae | My gaming machine is a beast, but my laptop isn't ;) |
| 20:18.36 | Shadowed | Yeah i've also got 2g |
| 20:18.37 | Thrae | Low-end for TODAY, not when WoW was released |
| 20:18.44 | Beladona | right |
| 20:19.00 | Beladona | thats the natural progression of things in a game under constant development |
| 20:19.06 | kergoth | meh, still unable to upload an image, so cant upload an addon |
| 20:19.16 | kergoth | Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/wowinter/public_html/downloads/classes/image/work_image.php on line 544 |
| 20:19.30 | Beladona | uhh |
| 20:19.35 | Beladona | how big is the image? |
| 20:19.36 | Thrae | That's true, but they already added in tons of options to the UI to make it very easy to keep things dynamic |
| 20:20.29 | esp|Syn | guys whats the best way to catch reputation changes? |
| 20:20.29 | Beladona | I haven't had any problems with wow on any computers made within the last 2 years |
| 20:20.31 | zinor | hrm |
| 20:20.49 | esp|Syn | i was thinking of parsing the chat, but i hear there are other ways |
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| 20:21.28 | kergoth | Beladona: 230336 bytes. |
| 20:21.28 | AnduinLothar | oh nice, i like Automatic Quest Tracking |
| 20:21.38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:21.44 | AnduinLothar | lol woot: There is now a confirmation dialogue when you attempt to disband your guild. |
| 20:21.47 | mikk | esp|Syn: CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_FACTION_CHANGE |
| 20:22.02 | AnduinLothar | that's for the chat |
| 20:22.04 | mikk | And if you don't want to parse messages, you can always keep a copy of the previous faction |
| 20:22.10 | mikk | And just get the new values and compare |
| 20:22.27 | AnduinLothar | it's not hard to parse, the strings are in GlobalStrings |
| 20:22.27 | Beladona | I would think a chat event would be easier |
| 20:22.43 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.45 | Beladona | works fine for my status bars I am developing |
| 20:23.13 | AnduinLothar | the real problem is tracking what the reputation was given for |
| 20:23.24 | esp|Syn | Im trying to produce something like titan xp but for reputation |
| 20:23.30 | AnduinLothar | kill/bg/quest/something random.. |
| 20:23.31 | Thrae | PoorGM: /gdisband ...NOOOOOOOOO |
| 20:23.34 | kergoth | Beladona: the image manager isnt able to properly give the user an error if the image resolution is too high. it does error correctly if the image file size is too high, but if the resolution is, it gives the error i pasted above. |
| 20:23.52 | kergoth | Beladona: i was attemtping to upload a 1680x1050 screenshot (dell 20" widescreen lcd) |
| 20:23.57 | kergoth | just resized |
| 20:24.00 | kergoth | all good now |
| 20:24.12 | esp|Syn | i dont care what its for. long as i can tell how much was given. so i can work out how many rep gains are needed |
| 20:25.46 | AnduinLothar | here: find the string in GlobalString.lua and use http://pastebin.ca/88340 to convert it to a local gfind string |
| 20:26.37 | mikk | We should put that up on the wiki |
| 20:26.42 | AnduinLothar | local faction, rep = string.gfind(msg, GameAmp.ConvertGlobalString(FACTION_STANDING_INCREASED))() |
| 20:27.28 | AnduinLothar | and the same for FACTION_STANDING_DECREASED only negative |
| 20:27.56 | AnduinLothar | course you'll wanna save the sting rather than generate it every time |
| 20:28.33 | zinor | are finalized notes (as far as I know): http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/news-244-1-patch-112-live-on-test-servers-and-patch-notes.html |
| 20:29.01 | zinor | err i dont know why i said are |
| 20:29.09 | AnduinLothar | you'll have to check to make sure the variables are in the right order... that wont handle backwards ones ver nicely |
| 20:29.45 | AnduinLothar | lol, Mini Diablo is still a Minion |
| 20:29.50 | Iriel | Bear in mind low end friendly means you can run it on low end hardware, not that it'll look as good on low end hardware as it does on high end hardare |
| 20:29.53 | Shadowed | blast you IE7 and formatting |
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| 20:31.01 | mikk | Ehmmm.. Anyone EU here having problems with logging in? o.O |
| 20:31.11 | AnduinLothar | sooo... test servver's not really up in US |
| 20:31.30 | mikk | I blaze through the actual login but where I'd normally expect to start waiting for my char list, I get "disconnected from server" |
| 20:36.00 | AnduinLothar | anyone got any ideas how to figure out if rep came from a kill (outside BGs) |
| 20:36.29 | AnduinLothar | I'm allready tracking Unit Dies! messages to grab the name before the rep msg |
| 20:37.01 | Shadowed | don't think you can unless say if it arives within a second of a mob dying it's from that mob |
| 20:37.11 | Thrae | tmp = GetRealZoneText() if tmp == "Alterac Valley" or tmp == "Warsong Gulch" or tmp == "Arathi Basin" then foo end |
| 20:37.25 | AnduinLothar | nah, already got that part |
| 20:37.25 | Shadowed | Thrae: Silithus and WPL/EPL also give rep from mob death |
| 20:37.39 | Thrae | I thought he said just outside of BGs? |
| 20:37.46 | AnduinLothar | no, that's just avoiding problems in BGs |
| 20:37.53 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i already have that code |
| 20:38.01 | Thrae | Ah, my misunderstanding |
| 20:38.03 | End | that doesn't help against quest rep anyways |
| 20:38.16 | End | you'd really have to check for a recent kill I guess |
| 20:38.26 | AnduinLothar | yeah, so is there a way to determine if something is quest rep? |
| 20:38.44 | Iriel | Can't you track the rep change versus the reported rep change from kills, and use the difference to determine the non-kill rep? |
| 20:38.47 | AnduinLothar | is a frame always open.. |
| 20:39.08 | AnduinLothar | um, what? |
| 20:39.14 | End | Iriel: rep isn't attached to anything when you get it, afaik |
| 20:39.21 | End | it's omg suddenly I got rep! |
| 20:39.27 | AnduinLothar | yeah, jsut says rep inc or dec |
| 20:39.34 | Kirov | iriel - that is a good find |
| 20:39.38 | AnduinLothar | doesn't say from what |
| 20:39.43 | Thrae | Iriel's saying track who dies, and if you suddenly get rep without any deaths within X amount of time, consider it from a kill |
| 20:40.05 | AnduinLothar | yeah, but i dont want to contantly be running timers if i can avoid it |
| 20:40.14 | End | what's the "reported rep change from kills"? |
| 20:40.29 | Thrae | You don't need a timer, just do GetTime() on each death |
| 20:40.35 | AnduinLothar | doesn't exist afaik |
| 20:40.48 | AnduinLothar | ya, spose that would work.. |
| 20:40.50 | Shadowed | when i say timer i mean that :p |
| 20:41.07 | AnduinLothar | but is there a better way? |
| 20:41.20 | AnduinLothar | say i wanted to track quest xp.. |
| 20:41.37 | Thrae | Hey, it was Iriel who first suggested it...how can there ever be a better way?! |
| 20:42.01 | AnduinLothar | ... |
| 20:42.21 | AnduinLothar | iriel, you've got a fan club |
| 20:42.36 | End | I value Iriel's input very highly, but I don't think Iriel is infallible :P |
| 20:43.05 | Iriel | Well, the pure timer technique isn't quite what I suggested, but it'd be the next thing to try if you couldn't get the rep data from the kill. KillCounter plays tricks like that |
| 20:43.14 | Iriel | I am most certainly not infallible. |
| 20:43.45 | AnduinLothar | so humor me and pretend i also want to track quest rep, how would i do that? |
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| 20:43.54 | esp|Syn | GAH! |
| 20:43.56 | Thrae | Iriel should put on his resume, "Worshipped by several coders." |
| 20:44.02 | Shadowed | lol |
| 20:44.03 | cogwheel | Nope... she misspelled inebriation the other day |
| 20:44.16 | Shadowed | *he |
| 20:44.17 | gnorlish | did inebriation play a part in the misspelling? |
| 20:44.22 | cogwheel | he* |
| 20:44.31 | Iriel | No, it just feels like a word that should have 2 n's at the start |
| 20:44.31 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: Don't all quest givers cast a spell to give rep? Or is that just honour? |
| 20:44.32 | cogwheel | i'm used to seeing the NE |
| 20:44.44 | Iriel | Rep just happens during turn-in |
| 20:44.50 | Kirov | Admitting that you're not infallble just proves how infallble you are! |
| 20:44.51 | End | I'm used to the dino robot already |
| 20:45.04 | AnduinLothar | ... |
| 20:45.07 | End | lol, I don't think it works that way Kirov |
| 20:45.11 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Do you get separate events for each rep change, or are they entirely asynchronous versus the chat messages? |
| 20:45.39 | AnduinLothar | well i know the deaths are after the unit dies msg, no idea about quests |
| 20:45.54 | esp|Syn | did anyone reply to my question on reputation |
| 20:46.03 | esp|Syn | my irc fubar'ed |
| 20:46.07 | Iriel | I.e. when the reputation gain/loss message fires, does the reputation value from the rep functions change immediately? |
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| 20:46.10 | cogwheel | Kirov, if i were to ask you "Is the sky blue," would your answer be a lie? |
| 20:46.23 | cogwheel | wait... that's not how it goes |
| 20:46.27 | cogwheel | hrmmm... |
| 20:46.46 | cogwheel | nm |
| 20:46.46 | Thrae | We can say there are three sources of reputation -- killing, end of a BG, and quest turnings |
| 20:46.50 | AnduinLothar | iriel, no idea. why would that matter? |
| 20:46.53 | esp|Syn | sea aint blue, sky is :) |
| 20:46.54 | Thrae | s/turnings/turnins/. |
| 20:47.08 | Thrae | If you eliminate the other two, then you can just assume anything else is a turnin |
| 20:47.14 | AnduinLothar | well not quite true for AB |
| 20:47.30 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Well, if you're able to check the order of things happening, you can associate each change with the prior event |
| 20:47.39 | Thrae | You can check if you're inside a Battleground easily enough, though |
| 20:47.56 | AnduinLothar | right... i know.. i'm wondering if anyone know's the event order :P |
| 20:48.15 | Iriel | and then probably just use some simple heuristics if there are ambiguities (likely thresholds at which a gain is going to be quest over kill, etc) |
| 20:48.49 | Iriel | I've always found it necessary to run through lots of mind-numbing experiments to lock down event orderings |
| 20:48.55 | Iriel | Especially because they're sometimes variable |
| 20:49.09 | End | well |
| 20:49.22 | End | here is another thing: some bosses give multiple groupings of rep |
| 20:49.29 | AnduinLothar | yup.. |
| 20:49.52 | End | in AQ20 for example, you get +33ish CC 3 times and +33ish dragonflight once |
| 20:50.08 | End | for a boss kill (that I can think of) |
| 20:50.14 | End | (I think Ossirian might be more) |
| 20:50.30 | Thrae | I think we've come down to that, with the current system, you can't guaruntee sorting out where rep comes from. |
| 20:51.00 | Iriel | I still suspect that you can usually make a very accurate guess |
| 20:51.03 | End | well, it might constantly event causing rep (kill, whatever) and then rep event |
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| 20:51.16 | Kirkburn | Evenin' |
| 20:51.24 | AnduinLothar | hmm, well the 1s timer would still catch multiple rep deaths |
| 20:51.28 | Thrae | Right, but not guaruntee. So it's a matter of making as strong an algorithmn as possible. |
| 20:51.50 | AnduinLothar | provided you didn't nil it after 1 |
| 20:51.58 | Kirkburn | Diablo is gonna give me RSI :P I'd completely forgotten how easy it is to get money in that game ... I've already amassed 84,000 gold |
| 20:52.18 | Iriel | A different question might be - Do you ever RANDOMLY get rep? And if not, the only place to worry is if you're doing kills and turnins at the same time. |
| 20:52.29 | Thrae | Yeah, you'd expect people don't run to NPCs within 3 seconds of killing something :D |
| 20:52.39 | AnduinLothar | well i know AB give you tick'd rep, but that's all i know of |
| 20:52.40 | End | Iriel: outside of BGs I don't think so |
| 20:52.44 | Thrae | And if they do, then they deserve to have bad estimates! |
| 20:54.04 | Beladona | well that answers that |
| 20:54.23 | End | which answers what? |
| 20:54.31 | Beladona | they didn't implement floating dmg numbers the same way they do with enemies |
| 20:54.39 | Beladona | its an interface thing, just like SCT |
| 20:54.40 | End | aww |
| 20:54.41 | End | damn |
| 20:54.47 | Thrae | Hey, Group Duels and 100 Friends + Ignore List |
| 20:54.48 | Beladona | they have a new addon called Blizzard_ComatText |
| 20:54.49 | End | what's the point then? I say |
| 20:54.55 | Beladona | err BlizzardCombatText |
| 20:55.01 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 20:55.07 | Beladona | ignore me |
| 20:55.11 | AnduinLothar | group duels? |
| 20:55.14 | Beladona | Blizzard_CombatText - there |
| 20:55.24 | Thrae | End: Lots of people tell me they don't use anything but the default UI because it's "cheating" or "painful to update" |
| 20:55.39 | End | meh |
| 20:55.45 | AnduinLothar | and i tell them they're morons |
| 20:55.48 | Thrae | I'd have to say there's a pretty large minority ou tthere |
| 20:55.48 | Kirov | Beladona - I'll try and have a new version of that image later today. |
| 20:55.50 | kergoth | i'm sure blizz's version will suck ass anyway |
| 20:55.52 | End | my point is Blizzard_CombatText is -nothing- special |
| 20:55.56 | Beladona | translation "mommy didn't teach me how to install them" |
| 20:56.11 | Kirov|Dentist | :( |
| 20:56.30 | Thrae | There's people that feel macros are cheating, there are even people that feel usually anything but the Spellbook is cheating |
| 20:57.00 | End | but the spellbook? |
| 20:57.09 | gnorlish | taht would be a true clicker |
| 20:57.10 | End | you mean, they don't use their action bar?? |
| 20:57.11 | Thrae | I find at least one person per day that thinks macros are cheating, and 4 people that think addons are cheating |
| 20:57.15 | gnorlish | opening spellbook for everything |
| 20:57.17 | Thrae | End: Yes |
| 20:57.21 | End | what the hell |
| 20:57.34 | Thrae | Only found 1 person who thinks that so far, but he was adamant, and I could tell by his reaction times |
| 20:57.52 | kergoth | hahah |
| 20:57.55 | gnorlish | i hope he's on a pverp realsm |
| 20:58.07 | Thrae | RP-PvP |
| 20:58.18 | Thrae | He loved those BGs |
| 20:58.39 | End | so...did he just have a blank action bar? |
| 20:58.47 | End | and I'm curious what class |
| 20:58.53 | End | probably not a spellcaster |
| 20:58.56 | Thrae | I think he might have had the action bar, just not bound any keys to it |
| 20:59.00 | Thrae | Mage |
| 20:59.15 | End | o_O |
| 20:59.24 | End | but...multiple ranks... |
| 20:59.28 | End | take up..so much space |
| 21:00.12 | Kirkburn | Wha, Wha? Test realm? (just looked at wdn) |
| 21:00.15 | Beladona | the download is available for the test server interface files, if you wanted to take a look at the new CombatText addon they made. Its on wdn. Working on the compares now |
| 21:00.22 | End | silly Kirkburn |
| 21:00.25 | Kirkburn | Timing |
| 21:00.42 | End | Beladona: Download is grayed out |
| 21:00.49 | End | nevermind |
| 21:00.50 | Kirkburn | I've been playing D2 for hours ... what have I missed? |
| 21:01.06 | End | it was grayed out just a few seconds ago :P |
| 21:01.12 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Mini-Diablo will be the only non-combat pet to be called a "Minion", all others will be "Pets" |
| 21:01.20 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 21:01.20 | Beladona | refresh again |
| 21:01.32 | End | yeah I did :P |
| 21:01.37 | Beladona | had to change something quick, it was grabbing the wrong download |
| 21:01.40 | Beladona | =P |
| 21:01.43 | End | oh |
| 21:01.44 | End | ah |
| 21:01.57 | Kirkburn | Patch notes are short |
| 21:02.02 | Thrae | That poor click-n-cast Mage, took him ~5-10 seconds BEFORE he started casting Fireball |
| 21:02.54 | End | at least it wasn't pyroblast |
| 21:03.25 | Thrae | He was Frost/Fire spec |
| 21:03.35 | Beladona | heading home. will upload compares from there. |
| 21:03.46 | Thrae | Actually, Frost/Fire/Arcane, a little bit of everything |
| 21:03.52 | Kirkburn | I needs patch notes for the wiki |
| 21:04.01 | Beladona | I can send em to ya |
| 21:04.43 | Kirkburn | Please :) |
| 21:08.06 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@24.129.136.26) |
| 21:10.44 | Kirkburn | Um, does anyone have a formatted version of the notes - i.e. not the .txt version? |
| 21:11.40 | End | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/news-244-1-patch-112-live-on-test-servers-and-patch-notes.html |
| 21:12.35 | End | that's the closest to formatted I have access to right now ;p |
| 21:12.53 | End | (although, I'm not sure how well it will serve your purposes) |
| 21:14.40 | Cairenn | okay, someone explain this to me, since I've been away from keys for a bit ... supposedly the PTR is live? Funny I just logged in, got no patch and no PTR to choose |
| 21:14.51 | Cairenn | so is it only PTR in EU? |
| 21:15.14 | End | I "copied" a char over US side |
| 21:15.38 | End | and the patch is available |
| 21:16.09 | Cairenn | then why didn't I download it when I clicked on PTR on the patcher? |
| 21:16.16 | End | https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ptr/ <-- downloader |
| 21:16.18 | End | I dunno |
| 21:16.27 | End | the link I gave as a link to the patch downloader though |
| 21:16.39 | End | I don't think the PTR is "official" yet as it were |
| 21:16.51 | End | they've put some stuff up, but I don't think it is entirely ready yet |
| 21:16.54 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 21:16.59 | End | and there has been no official announcement yet |
| 21:17.38 | Cairenn | okay ... |
| 21:18.18 | End | I don't think the PTR was originally going to be up yet though |
| 21:18.27 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Maldivia (i=the_real@85.24.45.9) |
| 21:18.28 | End | I mean, I think they changed their schedule |
| 21:18.34 | Maldivia | hehe, so build in SCT in 1.12... |
| 21:18.52 | End | originally there was going to be more changes including some shammy changes or something? |
| 21:19.05 | Kirkburn | Notezz |
| 21:19.07 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_1.12_%28Release_Notes%29 |
| 21:20.55 | End | oh |
| 21:20.56 | End | there it is |
| 21:20.58 | End | "With the change to our production schedule for patch 1.12, I don't believe that any Shaman changes are going to make it in for the next patch." |
| 21:21.04 | End | http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-shaman/668634.htm |
| 21:21.25 | Kirkburn | They're written awfully, those notes |
| 21:21.38 | Kirkburn | And I mean *awfully* |
| 21:22.25 | esp|Syn | ok.. i dont wana be a bodyguard anymore |
| 21:25.14 | Cairenn | clad|afk: best not to =/ |
| 21:27.56 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: that's what happens when Caydiem switches job :) |
| 21:28.58 | Kirkburn | Hah |
| 21:29.08 | Kirkburn | It's obvious they aren't finished, anyway :P |
| 21:31.11 | Maldivia | I like the V changes |
| 21:31.53 | End | I do too, once I learned how to read |
| 21:32.12 | End | I read everything -except- shift-V and control-V |
| 21:32.23 | End | (the first time around I mean) |
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| 21:33.13 | Kirkburn | That's the good example of how badly it's written |
| 21:34.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Abenadi (n=mtgother@ip-66-218-236-93.cableaz.com) |
| 21:34.43 | Abenadi | weird -- did my question 'make it' before I just got disconnected? |
| 21:35.21 | End | what question? |
| 21:35.28 | Kirkburn | (probably not then :) |
| 21:35.29 | Abenadi | guess not. |
| 21:35.45 | Abenadi | Could someone point me to an addon that uses metrognome so I can see how to implement it? |
| 21:39.38 | Abenadi | !ping |
| 21:40.56 | Cairenn | !pong |
| 21:40.57 | End | ~ping |
| 21:40.59 | purl | pong |
| 21:41.13 | End | ~rock |
| 21:41.15 | purl | paper, I win. |
| 21:41.20 | End | DOH |
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| 21:41.42 | Seracht | hey |
| 21:41.48 | Cairenn | hello again |
| 21:42.31 | Seracht | sorry I had to go last time ( |
| 21:42.33 | Seracht | :( |
| 21:43.38 | Seracht | Cairenn you know what mod changes your font? |
| 21:44.03 | Cairenn | There are a couple. ClearFont and FonTabulous |
| 21:44.27 | End | The ClearFont author has an addiction to IRC |
| 21:44.34 | Seracht | lol |
| 21:44.34 | End | erm, I mean, he commonly is here online |
| 21:44.41 | Seracht | clearfont has only 1 font though |
| 21:44.52 | Cairenn | check out FonTabulous then |
| 21:45.04 | Seracht | yup |
| 21:45.10 | Cairenn | sec, snagging link |
| 21:45.14 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4138 |
| 21:45.16 | Cairenn | there you go |
| 21:45.21 | Kirkburn | *cough* |
| 21:45.28 | Seracht | found it :) |
| 21:45.32 | Seracht | thanks |
| 21:45.39 | Seracht | last question |
| 21:45.49 | Seracht | I got a mod, Nurfed Combat Log...and it is outdated (obviously) but still works |
| 21:45.54 | Cairenn | speaking of ClearFont, Kirkburn .... |
| 21:45.55 | Seracht | how do I change its TOC |
| 21:46.00 | Cairenn | you don't |
| 21:46.08 | Kirkburn | um ... yeah. I'll do it 2moro |
| 21:46.16 | Cairenn | you just use the "Load Outdated" check box |
| 21:46.22 | Seracht | Cairenn aren't there mods that can change the ToC? |
| 21:46.27 | Seracht | hmm alright cairenn that works too :) |
| 21:46.38 | Cairenn | sure there are, but using them is stupid |
| 21:46.40 | Seracht | what is SCTD :) |
| 21:47.49 | Kirkburn | I've completely forgotten how to play D2 ... like how to switch spells |
| 21:48.00 | Seracht | kirk you click on the left/right suqare buttons |
| 21:48.04 | Seracht | and choose your new spell |
| 21:48.07 | Seracht | you can hotkey it to f1,f2... |
| 21:48.15 | Kirkburn | Ah, yes that's it! |
| 21:48.31 | Kirkburn | I knew there was something I'd missed |
| 21:49.36 | Seracht | :) |
| 21:49.57 | Kirkburn | Now, if only I could up the res :) |
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| 21:50.43 | mikk | And replace the font! |
| 21:50.56 | Shadowed | I love ED dragons |
| 21:51.57 | Seracht | kirk do you have expansion |
| 21:52.00 | Seracht | yo ucan take it to 800x600 I believe |
| 21:54.21 | Kirkburn | Not a legal copy =) |
| 21:54.55 | Seracht | its fine |
| 21:54.58 | Kirkburn | Well, my friend lent LoD years ago, but he took it back. So I don't have it any more |
| 21:54.59 | Seracht | just increase the res |
| 21:55.09 | Seracht | go download it then :) |
| 21:55.17 | Seracht | should I increase my memory for addons? |
| 21:55.27 | Kirkburn | Will it affect my ability to play online though? |
| 21:55.34 | Seracht | Kirkburn yes |
| 21:55.44 | Kirkburn | hrm, doubt I would anyway |
| 21:57.53 | Legorol | Cairenn: didn't your FAQ used to explain how to change TOC values ;-) |
| 21:58.00 | Legorol | i see the official party line has changed |
| 21:58.01 | Cairenn | Legorol: nope, not ever |
| 21:58.03 | mikk | It explains how to not do it |
| 21:58.07 | Legorol | cool |
| 21:58.14 | Legorol | well my memory is fuzzy |
| 21:58.27 | Legorol | i just remember back in the old days, when we still had to explain it to people |
| 21:58.28 | Cairenn | what official party line, we've NEVER supported changing the TOC |
| 21:58.31 | Legorol | when there was no "load out of date" etc. |
| 21:58.48 | Cairenn | yeah, we told them to wait |
| 21:58.53 | Legorol | fair enough |
| 21:59.11 | Legorol | then i sincerely apologise for having a bad memory :) |
| 21:59.19 | Cairenn | meh, not a problem |
| 21:59.36 | Legorol | painfully though, wowtoc is still one of the most downloaded files on CG |
| 21:59.41 | Cairenn | yup |
| 21:59.51 | Legorol | maybe we should ask NeT to pull it.. |
| 21:59.55 | Wobin | heh |
| 21:59.56 | Wobin | omg |
| 21:59.57 | Wobin | D2 |
| 21:59.57 | Legorol | after all it's an executable, and unsafe |
| 22:00.00 | Wobin | I have a craving |
| 22:00.15 | Legorol | i don't see him.. |
| 22:00.34 | Wobin | They're EVERYWHERE! =) |
| 22:00.35 | Legorol | i think they're hiding |
| 22:01.01 | Kirkburn | D2 ftw |
| 22:01.06 | Wobin | *sob* |
| 22:01.11 | Wobin | I've lost my ISOs =P |
| 22:01.22 | Kirkburn | Buy it? |
| 22:01.22 | Seracht | hmm ok my game just becmae REALLLLY laggy |
| 22:01.28 | Seracht | and I put in all the mods |
| 22:01.31 | Seracht | do I have to increase memory or soething |
| 22:01.37 | Cairenn | you can try it |
| 22:01.54 | Wobin | If you can load up, increasing the memory shouldn't really help.... |
| 22:02.03 | Seracht | ok |
| 22:02.05 | Wobin | Since it won't use that extra memory |
| 22:02.06 | Seracht | never mind then |
| 22:02.26 | Kirkburn | I generally put it up to 96, for safety |
| 22:02.26 | Wobin | You could look into what addons you are using and see if there are any better alternatives, though |
| 22:02.56 | Kirkburn | freak |
| 22:03.02 | Wobin | *grin* |
| 22:03.06 | Wobin | Ace ftw =) |
| 22:03.08 | Kirkburn | freeeeeeeek |
| 22:03.20 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 22:03.30 | Kirkburn | Actually, I'm gonna start using FuBar when Ace2 arrives |
| 22:03.41 | Kirkburn | Of course, I might start playing again too |
| 22:04.05 | Legorol | Kirkburn, you are not playing?? |
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| 22:05.06 | Kirkburn | Just been busy recently |
| 22:05.27 | Seracht | how do I edit settings in gypsybuff bar |
| 22:05.31 | Seracht | if anyone knows of the top of their head |
| 22:05.38 | Cairenn | ask on the gypsy forums ;) |
| 22:06.14 | Cairenn | lots of music and dancing |
| 22:06.26 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 22:06.45 | snurre | mostly "when is gypsy 1.0 coming?" questions and "you've been asking for over a year, stfu" replies |
| 22:08.24 | Kirkburn | There are some very pessimitic people on the wiki ... someone changed the arrival date of 1.12 to "august-september" before today :/ |
| 22:08.43 | Seracht | I think 1.12 will be coming in august |
| 22:08.46 | Seracht | definetely not july |
| 22:08.54 | Seracht | cuz we are halfway there lol |
| 22:09.00 | Seracht | I think end of august - beginning of setp |
| 22:09.02 | Kirkburn | Well, depends on how well done this patch is, natch |
| 22:09.14 | Seracht | Kirkburn 1.10 was huge |
| 22:09.20 | Cide | gypsy buff bar should be deleted :( |
| 22:09.24 | Seracht | Cide :( |
| 22:09.27 | Seracht | it looks pretty |
| 22:09.31 | Cide | yay |
| 22:09.39 | Seracht | Fine I'll get CT |
| 22:09.49 | Cide | you get CT either way, so I don't care |
| 22:09.55 | Cairenn | heh |
| 22:10.03 | Cide | no, really |
| 22:10.13 | Seracht | cide do I need to get the mastermod if I only want the buffbar |
| 22:10.21 | Cairenn | hey, I know that, I'm just chuckling |
| 22:10.33 | Cide | he added a background and did a string replace, replacing "CT" with "Gypsy" |
| 22:10.46 | Cide | can't remember |
| 22:11.06 | Kirkburn | what fun |
| 22:11.12 | Cide | ## Dependencies: CT_MasterMod - looks like it! |
| 22:11.38 | Cide | but I don't think it depends heavily on it, so you could probably edit out the relevant portions if you really wanted to (or just get gypsy :P) |
| 22:11.48 | Kirkburn | mmm, spinach and ricotta |
| 22:11.50 | Kirkburn | pizza |
| 22:13.00 | Seracht | cide why dont you tell him "stop released gypsy with our code: |
| 22:14.15 | Cide | I told him to either code his own mod or give us credit, but he did neither |
| 22:14.36 | Seracht | he did give you credit |
| 22:15.17 | Cide | he did now? |
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| 22:15.42 | Cide | granted I asked him like 2 years ago, so I guess I have checked in a while :) |
| 22:17.10 | AnduinLothar | So cide, figure you're gonna wait for 1.12 for substantial ctra channel changes? |
| 22:17.44 | Cide | I doubt they will be ready for 1.12, but yes |
| 22:18.00 | End | well, it does say: The standalone BuffBar AddOn in a ZIP archive. This includes the modified GypsyMod player buff/debuff window, based on the original CT BuffBar. |
| 22:18.07 | End | on the gypsymod site |
| 22:18.11 | AnduinLothar | planning on just using your own implementation then since you dont need anything fancey |
| 22:18.39 | Cide | that was my plan anyway.. why? |
| 22:18.49 | End | (not sure it is documented anywhere else though) |
| 22:18.54 | AnduinLothar | just curious |
| 22:19.03 | Cide | ah |
| 22:19.09 | clad|afk | Cairenn: Was that in response to my question today? |
| 22:19.18 | Cairenn | clad|afk: yeah =/ |
| 22:19.31 | clad|afk | Cairenn: Not a problem, I expected =) |
| 22:19.32 | AnduinLothar | I expect that's how most people will do it unless they need a global chan, or whisper msgs |
| 22:19.49 | clad|afk | http://dump.brokendreams.net/files/index.php?path=WDBParser/ |
| 22:20.03 | clad|afk | Thats the WDB itemcache.wdb written in pure lua userspace |
| 22:20.11 | clad|afk | can serialize a table for you so you can import data for mods, etc. |
| 22:20.13 | clad|afk | or output csv |
| 22:21.07 | Cairenn | cladhaire: other channel |
| 22:22.40 | cladhaire | Cairenn: Other bed.. 10 minutes ;P |
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| 22:35.46 | Kirkburn | Wheeee ... cats! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWej4ZbrbbM&search=cat |
| 22:37.18 | Cairenn | ROFL, look out mr bear, it's a CAT! |
| 22:38.08 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 22:38.30 | Cairenn | I've got this one saved to my hd for whenever I need a laugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJ9eUkjWgY&mode=related&search=cat |
| 22:38.31 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 22:38.33 | Kirkburn | Damn scary cats |
| 22:38.36 | esp|Syn | can i comment out blocks of code in lua? |
| 22:39.12 | End | yes |
| 22:39.16 | End | --[[ blah ]] |
| 22:40.13 | Kirov|Dentist | --[[ blah --]] is also valid |
| 22:40.22 | Kirov|Dentist | and lets you undo the comment quicker |
| 22:40.34 | kergoth | ending with --]] is nice since you can leave it alone when uncommenting.. yeah.. what kirov said :) |
| 22:40.43 | Kirkburn | I love cats ... my sister is getting very soon, gonna get to go and see it :D |
| 22:40.53 | Kirkburn | s/ting/ting one/ |
| 22:40.58 | esp|Syn | <3 |
| 22:41.08 | kergoth | god i hate blizzard's downloader. thank god for wowtorrentex |
| 22:41.11 | Kirkburn | A little ginger one :) |
| 22:44.05 | Cairenn | hahahahhaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1-ek2dyPqw&mode=related&search=cat |
| 22:48.36 | Legorol | hm, can someone sensibly explain to me what the issue with the blizzard downloader is? |
| 22:48.47 | Legorol | it seems to work fine for me, yet i hear lots of people complain |
| 22:48.57 | Shadowed | it's blizzard |
| 22:49.02 | Iriel | It used to be terrible, but the last few patches it's been very good for me also |
| 22:49.12 | Iriel | they fixed their upload-saturation problems |
| 22:49.22 | kergoth | their downloader doesnt seem to work -at all- without the inbound port forwards, whereas seperate clients seem to work fine, if not as speedily |
| 22:49.25 | End | I can't download at all with it |
| 22:49.45 | End | or I haven't been able to recently |
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| 22:50.21 | Legorol | could you be more specific about what "terrible" means? |
| 22:50.29 | Legorol | i haven't the faintest idea as to what was even annoying people |
| 22:50.38 | Legorol | is it downloading too slow? |
| 22:50.49 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, that's from Smack the Pony, I think |
| 22:51.01 | Legorol | kergoth, for me the downloader worked fine without inbound port forward |
| 22:51.04 | kergoth | ewird |
| 22:51.06 | kergoth | weird, even |
| 22:51.07 | Legorol | i.e. from behind nat/firewall |
| 22:51.10 | kergoth | i'm getting 0K/s |
| 22:51.13 | kergoth | complete and utter stall |
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| 22:51.24 | Legorol | if you don't forward 3274? |
| 22:51.30 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: given that it has "smack the pony" at the end, yeah, it probably is ;) |
| 22:51.32 | kergoth | i'm behind hotel wireless, no control over their nat |
| 22:51.38 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I just got to that bit too ;) |
| 22:51.38 | Legorol | right |
| 22:52.07 | Legorol | ehm.. am i the only one that feels sorry for the poor kitty in the video? |
| 22:52.13 | Legorol | i'm not sure i'd want to ride in that place |
| 22:52.23 | Kirkburn | Good old british comedy :) Also, some of the writers went on to write Green Wing, that program I keep telling you all to watch :) |
| 22:52.55 | Cairenn | British comedy is some of the best |
| 22:53.14 | Iriel | Legorol: It used to saturate the upload link (I"m using DSL, which is asymmetric), and thus kill both its upload and more importantly to me, my download rate. |
| 22:53.15 | Cairenn | mind you, I'm Canadian, so I "get" it |
| 22:53.33 | Cairenn | most Americans I've met just don't |
| 22:53.33 | Legorol | Iriel: ok that makes sense, if you meant ADSL |
| 22:53.54 | Iriel | Yes, SDSL is a rare beast in consumer markets AFAIK |
| 22:53.59 | Iriel | Here, in the US, that is |
| 22:54.05 | Legorol | just making sure.. |
| 22:54.11 | Legorol | i can see how upload saturation is a problem |
| 22:54.23 | Legorol | it's a known problem with torrent clients, right? |
| 22:54.25 | gnorlish | i had the downloader choke my cable connection |
| 22:54.29 | gnorlish | 50kb/s up |
| 22:54.54 | Iriel | Well, some are sensible enough to set their own throttle, or make it an option |
| 22:55.15 | Iriel | I used netlimiter with the wow downloader for a bit, but they fixed it on their own in the end |
| 22:55.27 | Kirkburn | More troll info: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/troll/othertrolls.html |
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| 23:05.24 | stryder_30 | if I have a function in LUA, when i return 1, does that end the function? or does it continue through the rest? |
| 23:05.30 | stryder_30 | does that make sense? |
| 23:05.48 | AnduinLothar | end |
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| 23:07.37 | stryder_30 | okay... can i paste some code for someone to look at quickly so they can tell me how to halt it, or if im doing this wrong |
| 23:11.21 | Cairenn | toss it up on pastebin and link |
| 23:11.34 | Cairenn | I'm sure someone will look at it for you |
| 23:14.09 | esp|Syn | How do you define a global variable inside a function? |
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| 23:17.25 | AnduinLothar | you just assign it |
| 23:17.36 | AnduinLothar | it's global unless specified local |
| 23:21.23 | stryder_30 | http://pastebin.com/748392 -- I would like to know how to get it to halt if it returns the 1, it seems to me likes its continuing on even if its successful in the if statement |
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| 23:22.58 | AnduinLothar | impossible to skip a return |
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| 23:30.08 | esp|Syn | is it possible to ensure a number is rounded up or down into a whole number? |
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| 23:30.42 | Kirkburn | Back to D2, back l8r |
| 23:30.55 | AnduinLothar | DotA time here |
| 23:31.05 | Kirkburn | Have fun! |
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| 23:32.18 | cladhaire | esp|Syn: math.floor(), math.ceil() |
| 23:32.33 | stryder_30 | so when I return 1, does that finish the function, like does it halt out? or will it continue to the bottom to the return 0? |
| 23:33.16 | cladhaire | pastebin is slow |
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| 23:35.19 | cladhaire | stryder_30: post your code on pastebin.ca |
| 23:35.34 | cladhaire | nvm |
| 23:35.35 | cladhaire | just came up |
| 23:35.42 | cladhaire | and disappeared again |
| 23:36.50 | stryder_30 | yeah, lol, its been slow and weird for me too |
| 23:36.58 | cladhaire | stryder_30: use pastebin.ca |
| 23:37.09 | cladhaire | stryder_30: Your code is fine as far as I can tell.. the return makes it return 1 |
| 23:37.13 | cladhaire | but return 0 isn't false. |
| 23:37.19 | cladhaire | you want return true and return false |
| 23:37.31 | cladhaire | in lua, any non nil non false value is true |
| 23:41.30 | stryder_30 | oh... |
| 23:41.59 | stryder_30 | but once it hits that first return true, then it should stop running the rest of the function |
| 23:43.08 | cladhaire | yes |
| 23:43.23 | cladhaire | add some debug messages to make sure its stopping, but the code is legit as far as i can tell |
| 23:43.41 | stryder_30 | can i use if (RaidDeath_FeignDeath()) then ... or do i have to throw in the == true part |
| 23:44.27 | cladhaire | you can just if RaidDeath_FeignDeath() |
| 23:44.34 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.15 | stryder_30 | ahh |
| 23:45.17 | stryder_30 | cool |
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| 23:59.14 | Cairenn | hey Wobin? |
| 23:59.34 | Wobin | aye? |
| 23:59.43 | Cairenn | make a matching pet exp bar? |
| 23:59.56 | Wobin | hum |
