| 00:00.04 | Legorol | hm, is there any *point* to the PvP health/mana potions? |
| 00:00.14 | Tem | yes |
| 00:00.17 | Legorol | aren't the normal ones better at the same level? |
| 00:00.20 | [Wobin] | health/mana prehaps? |
| 00:00.23 | Shadowed | Cheaper? |
| 00:00.24 | esp|Syn | the error is "attempt to call global "MyModData" (a nil value)" |
| 00:00.32 | Legorol | hardly cheaper.. |
| 00:00.35 | Tem | the mana potions are nearly as good as real mana pots |
| 00:00.38 | cladhaire | esp|Syn: Have you declared it already |
| 00:00.42 | Tem | and they are *cheap* |
| 00:00.42 | Shadowed | Doesn't look like you set MyModData, is it data? |
| 00:00.43 | cladhaire | or just defined it as a saved variable? |
| 00:00.44 | Legorol | the l35 superior mana pot is 4s a piece |
| 00:00.45 | Shadowed | s/data/global/ |
| 00:00.55 | Kirkburn | Wonder how far away the new forums are now |
| 00:00.55 | cladhaire | caus eyou'd sitll need to set it with something like: if not MyModData then MyModData = {} end |
| 00:01.03 | Legorol | i can get greater mana pots for the same sort of price |
| 00:01.08 | Legorol | lower level requirement, gives more back |
| 00:01.24 | Tem | you are talking about the combat pots right? |
| 00:01.29 | Tem | the ones you get at rank6 |
| 00:01.34 | Legorol | nope |
| 00:01.41 | Shadowed | Those are unique(5) anyway |
| 00:01.54 | Tem | or are you talking about the superior mana/healing draughts that you get from honored with the BG faction? |
| 00:01.54 | Legorol | i'm talking about the Superior Healing/Mana Draught you get at friendly faction status with Sentinels |
| 00:02.04 | Tem | get honored |
| 00:02.07 | Tem | it's a better potion |
| 00:02.12 | Tem | and are unique(10) |
| 00:02.13 | esp|Syn | Sorry yeah |
| 00:02.22 | Legorol | ok, that makes some sense.. |
| 00:02.22 | esp|Syn | MyModData = {} |
| 00:02.24 | Legorol | still leaves me with my original question: |
| 00:02.31 | Legorol | is there any point to the ones i can get now, at friendly |
| 00:02.34 | Tem | it's easiest to do it with AV since the faction grind is faster |
| 00:02.35 | esp|Syn | is just above the on load fncttion |
| 00:02.43 | Tem | Legorol, I would say no to the friendly version |
| 00:03.39 | Legorol | mm.. i dislike it when people say they have X reputation with WSG |
| 00:03.58 | Legorol | they have the reputation with the sentinels, not the battleground |
| 00:04.00 | Legorol | silly people |
| 00:04.08 | Legorol | or the outriders |
| 00:04.18 | Shadowed | Cause it's easier? :p |
| 00:04.49 | [Wobin] | esp|Syn: Do you nil it out in any place? |
| 00:04.56 | esp|Syn | how do you mean? |
| 00:05.26 | zespri_work | but there is nothing exciting in lua 5.1 |
| 00:05.31 | Legorol | i'm just happy because i got to master sergeant |
| 00:05.38 | zespri_work | just small changes not so nescessary |
| 00:05.39 | Legorol | then i realised i'd lose it tomorrow at maintenance |
| 00:05.45 | Legorol | so i am quickly buying everything i'm entitled to :) |
| 00:05.55 | Legorol | some of the blue accessories are pretty good at my level actually |
| 00:06.14 | zespri_work | LEgorol in hoe many hours is europatch? |
| 00:06.25 | zespri_work | in |
| 00:06.29 | Tem | Legorol, get used to it |
| 00:06.33 | [Wobin] | esp|Syn: I can't see why it would complain unless MyModData was nil'd somewhere else in the code |
| 00:06.42 | Tem | Legorol, for me, I'm just barely honored with WSG |
| 00:06.43 | [Wobin] | esp|Syn: If it's declared before everything calls the function |
| 00:06.43 | snurre | zespri_work: in 3h I think |
| 00:06.56 | zespri_work | thank you snurre |
| 00:07.01 | Tem | nearly 3/4 the way through revered to exaulted with AV though |
| 00:07.06 | [Wobin] | esp|Syn: Although, at -which- line is the error? |
| 00:07.07 | esp|Syn | The only code that uses MyModData is in that pastebin |
| 00:07.09 | snurre | that would be the normal downtime at least, unless it's extended for a patch |
| 00:07.18 | Tem | =P |
| 00:07.25 | esp|Syn | for k,v in htsData[realm][player].battles do |
| 00:07.28 | esp|Syn | that line |
| 00:07.35 | Legorol | Tem: get used to what? |
| 00:07.39 | Legorol | zespri: one hour |
| 00:07.49 | Tem | Legorol, my faction with WSG is honored |
| 00:08.01 | [Wobin] | esp|Syn: and that's complaining about MyModData? |
| 00:08.03 | [Wobin] | esp|Syn: You might want ipairs(htsData...) |
| 00:08.26 | AnduinLothar | speaking of faction... i have the urge to plug ReputationMenu :D http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5143 |
| 00:08.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn1 (n=George@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 00:08.48 | Kirkburn1 | aaaah |
| 00:09.17 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 00:09.30 | Cairenn | I'm presuming you guys have seen the pirate's latest? |
| 00:10.00 | Legorol | yes! |
| 00:10.00 | AnduinLothar | of course :P |
| 00:10.05 | Legorol | been discussing it for past half an hour |
| 00:10.11 | Cairenn | hey, I don't know, I just got here :p |
| 00:10.13 | Legorol | has the channel on fire, that pirate does |
| 00:10.15 | AnduinLothar | my pirate tracker is flly functional |
| 00:10.16 | esp|Syn | using for k,v in ipairs(htsData[realm][player].battles) do gives error "bad argument #1 to ipairs (table expected, got nil) |
| 00:10.47 | Legorol | esp|Syn, that means that you haven't properly initialised the htsData table |
| 00:10.58 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 00:11.05 | Legorol | it means that htsData[realm][player] doesn't have an element called battles |
| 00:11.15 | esp|Syn | for k,v in htsData[realm][player].battles do |
| 00:11.15 | esp|Syn | htsNormalText(v) |
| 00:11.15 | esp|Syn | end |
| 00:11.19 | esp|Syn | that works tho |
| 00:11.23 | esp|Syn | sorry for spam |
| 00:12.12 | esp|Syn | htsnormaltext is just a function to output to chat |
| 00:12.19 | [Wobin] | hm |
| 00:12.47 | Cairenn | oh |
| 00:12.48 | Cairenn | hey |
| 00:12.55 | Cairenn | Kirkburn ... >< |
| 00:13.02 | Cairenn | We need to have words, we do |
| 00:13.56 | Legorol | esp|Syn, and what does it print |
| 00:14.03 | esp|Syn | a list of names |
| 00:14.08 | Rushster | Cair!!! |
| 00:14.16 | Cairenn | Rushster! hey :) |
| 00:14.24 | esp|Syn | the battles table holds information about pvp killers |
| 00:14.30 | esp|Syn | indexed by name |
| 00:14.30 | Legorol | ok |
| 00:14.34 | Cairenn | Rushster, you registered with nickserv? |
| 00:14.35 | Legorol | yeah i saw your post |
| 00:15.09 | Rushster | probably not |
| 00:15.20 | Rushster | tooo much hassle :) |
| 00:15.21 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.28 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.25 | Kirkburn1 | tis peasy |
| 00:16.57 | Kirkburn1 | I been away, I bin. |
| 00:17.05 | Rushster | Yeh no matter i Have loads in the command list here so dont want to add to the lot thats there for identifying etc |
| 00:17.50 | Legorol | esp|Syn: what's the line number it's complainign about |
| 00:18.34 | Legorol | esp|Syn: is htsData a saved variable? |
| 00:18.38 | esp|Syn | yea |
| 00:18.42 | Legorol | remember that those are not loaded until later |
| 00:18.47 | Legorol | in OnLoad, they are not available yet |
| 00:18.53 | esp|Syn | Ah |
| 00:19.06 | esp|Syn | well.. that would prolly cause that problem then :/ |
| 00:19.14 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 00:19.23 | Legorol | i'm just surprised it's not complaining about htsData[realm] then |
| 00:19.31 | Legorol | because even that wouldn't exist |
| 00:19.43 | Legorol | unless you are doing some initialization that is not shown in the pastebin |
| 00:19.44 | esp|Syn | that is the line it complains on |
| 00:19.55 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tuplad (n=tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be) |
| 00:19.57 | Tuplad | mm, geeky |
| 00:20.01 | esp|Syn | there is ALOT of code missing |
| 00:20.05 | Legorol | ok |
| 00:20.12 | esp|Syn | i only pasted the relivent functions |
| 00:20.24 | Legorol | is there any other code that you run OnLoad? |
| 00:20.33 | Legorol | for example, when do you initialize htsData for the first time? |
| 00:20.44 | esp|Syn | there are two on loads |
| 00:20.49 | esp|Syn | wana see the entire code? |
| 00:20.54 | Legorol | at least all the onloads |
| 00:21.50 | esp|Syn | http://pastebin.ca/85516 |
| 00:22.02 | esp|Syn | had to paste the lot. since the on loads call other functions |
| 00:22.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem_ (n=tardmrr@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
| 00:22.26 | [Wobin] | esp|Syn: Yeah, pastebin the lot, if you can? |
| 00:23.04 | esp|Syn | i have its the link just there |
| 00:23.13 | esp|Syn | do u want the .xml and the WTF aswell? |
| 00:24.06 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=MentalPo@host-70-45-80-251.onelinkpr.net) |
| 00:24.23 | Legorol | ok, i got the problem |
| 00:24.28 | Legorol | it's a combination of two things |
| 00:24.40 | Legorol | 1) saved variable data doesn't get loaded back OnLoad |
| 00:24.51 | Legorol | you have access to it once the ADDON_LOADED event has fired |
| 00:25.03 | Legorol | 2) have a look at hts_init() |
| 00:25.23 | Legorol | you set all elements of htsData[realm][player], *except* for .battles |
| 00:25.26 | Legorol | no wonder that element is nil |
| 00:25.36 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Tuplad (n=tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be) |
| 00:25.50 | Legorol | so what happens is that your addon starts, it calls hst_init, which sets up htsData[realm][player], so it's not complaining about that |
| 00:25.59 | Legorol | but you don't have htsData[realm][player].battles |
| 00:26.04 | esp|Syn | right, |
| 00:26.10 | Legorol | and in the OnLoad functions, you don't have the saved data yet |
| 00:26.22 | esp|Syn | well ill move this code into another function, and call it from hts_init() |
| 00:26.32 | esp|Syn | and ill sort the problem in there :) |
| 00:26.57 | Legorol | ok, and remember that the sequence is this: |
| 00:27.14 | Legorol | your addon is loaded, the OnLoad handlers get called, then the saved variables for your addon are loaded, |
| 00:27.19 | Legorol | then ADDON_LOADED fires |
| 00:27.30 | Legorol | it's at that point that you can start relying on the saved variable |
| 00:28.15 | MentalPower | ZOMG... slouken did the what we all thought would never come |
| 00:28.27 | Legorol | MentalPower: you are an hour late ;-) |
| 00:28.34 | MentalPower | I was in class |
| 00:28.44 | Legorol | just teasing |
| 00:28.53 | Legorol | there are a few things that would make it nicer |
| 00:29.02 | Legorol | read purl's logs |
| 00:29.11 | MentalPower | I will |
| 00:29.13 | MentalPower | ~logs |
| 00:29.14 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 00:29.59 | Legorol | ah it's not up yet |
| 00:30.13 | Legorol | summary: |
| 00:30.37 | Legorol | since only a single event fires, it's not possible to tell if the message was sent via whisper/party/raid |
| 00:30.49 | Legorol | there is also nothing to identify the sending addon |
| 00:31.02 | [Wobin] | Which I'd really like |
| 00:31.05 | Legorol | both of these can be solved by the addon of course, by tagging the message |
| 00:31.11 | AnduinLothar | that's all in the subsequent posts btw |
| 00:31.14 | [Wobin] | yeah |
| 00:31.24 | [Wobin] | Hopefully Slouken will follow up =) |
| 00:31.36 | Legorol | also, until we get more details, it's not clear what size/speed you can send messages at |
| 00:31.41 | Cide | slouken just did |
| 00:31.41 | Legorol | does it properly encode | and s |
| 00:31.42 | Legorol | etc. |
| 00:31.45 | Legorol | yay! |
| 00:31.55 | AnduinLothar | he posted again |
| 00:32.00 | Legorol | why doesn't he pop in here during his work hours :) |
| 00:32.03 | [Wobin] | woo! |
| 00:32.15 | AnduinLothar | irc is blocked at blizzard, you should know that :P |
| 00:32.31 | [Wobin] | hehe |
| 00:32.55 | [Wobin] | He could legitimately cite it as a business oriented purpose though |
| 00:32.55 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: and you are trying to tell me that slouken couldn't work around that? |
| 00:33.03 | Legorol | 3 words: ssh tunnels |
| 00:33.17 | Cide | that would be 2 words |
| 00:33.20 | Legorol | no global channel :( |
| 00:33.23 | [Wobin] | yes, well we've seen how well that works =P |
| 00:33.36 | AnduinLothar | why do you think i'm not working there anymore? |
| 00:33.38 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tuplad (n=tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be) |
| 00:33.42 | Cide | so you can irc? :P |
| 00:33.45 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: they block ssh too? |
| 00:33.52 | Legorol | :P |
| 00:34.02 | AnduinLothar | you, sir, are out of the loop |
| 00:34.02 | esp|Syn | ok, well i got rid of those errors. but the scrollbox is blank lol |
| 00:34.27 | Cide | replied again |
| 00:34.31 | zespri_work | not having global chan is fair enough |
| 00:34.40 | Cide | sadly it looks like we're going to have to do prefixes the hard way |
| 00:34.46 | zespri_work | because you get all kind of problems with broadcasting and such |
| 00:34.51 | Legorol | ok, i have a problem with how blizz made it so you are NOT in lfg/guildrecruit automatically |
| 00:34.54 | Kirov | =( |
| 00:34.56 | zespri_work | bandwidth may suffer |
| 00:35.04 | Legorol | most people never find out about those channels |
| 00:35.10 | Legorol | i mean |
| 00:35.14 | Legorol | with lfg i can understand |
| 00:35.22 | Legorol | but with guildrecruit, it's a real problem |
| 00:35.24 | zespri_work | Legorol, yeah yo are right |
| 00:35.28 | [Wobin] | Why's that? |
| 00:35.36 | Legorol | since existing installs don't get their chat settings changed |
| 00:35.44 | esp|Syn | is there a way to find out whats inside a variable ingame? |
| 00:35.45 | MentalPower | I thought guildrecruit was auto-joined when not in a guild and not auto-join when in a guild |
| 00:35.47 | Legorol | the vast majority of players are not aware of the new guildrecruitment channel |
| 00:35.53 | Legorol | MentalPower: only on fresh install |
| 00:35.58 | MentalPower | IC |
| 00:36.04 | Cide | Kirov: =( indeed |
| 00:36.08 | Legorol | otherwise, how would WoW tell if you left it deliberately or not? |
| 00:36.39 | Legorol | so their change to the global LFG, again, will have virtually no effect |
| 00:36.43 | Legorol | it only affects fresh installs |
| 00:36.48 | MentalPower | does anyone have the .torrent file for 1.11.2 (or a way to extract it from the .exe)? |
| 00:36.51 | Legorol | all those people who are currently in LFG will stay in there |
| 00:37.03 | Legorol | and a new player will never think of typing /join LookingForGroup |
| 00:37.12 | zespri_work | >>"So that means we're still bound by the outgoing bandwith filter that disconnects people." I think he meant just this when he said that they would be in most respects as normal chat messages |
| 00:37.28 | Legorol | 3. Will there be automatic throttling/queuing of messages? |
| 00:37.29 | Legorol | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 00:37.29 | Legorol | No, not at this point. |
| 00:37.33 | Kirov | He'll, i'd take a 128 char msg w/ an 8 char "prefix" |
| 00:37.39 | [Wobin] | That sounds promising |
| 00:37.46 | AnduinLothar | it was more of a staement than a question |
| 00:37.46 | [Wobin] | Better than a flat out 'no' |
| 00:37.59 | zespri_work | Anduin, oh ok |
| 00:38.25 | Legorol | lol, post #181 made me laugh |
| 00:38.32 | Legorol | by Smagash |
| 00:38.39 | Legorol | someone deport him from the UI forums.. |
| 00:39.04 | [Wobin] | what page, Leg? |
| 00:39.39 | zespri_work | 10 |
| 00:40.03 | AnduinLothar | lol, i love basic's response... he's in my guild and he knows i work on cosmos... yet he responds to me telling me something i should already know |
| 00:40.49 | zespri_work | edited? |
| 00:41.02 | AnduinLothar | ya lol |
| 00:41.23 | zespri_work | don't blame ppl to hastily =) |
| 00:41.31 | esp|Syn | Is there a way to check the value of a veriable ingame? |
| 00:41.36 | AnduinLothar | wasn't blaming, it was humerous |
| 00:42.06 | MentalPower | esp|Syn: what do you mean |
| 00:42.07 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, the best one was when Sarf posted about chaining spells in a macro |
| 00:42.14 | MentalPower | variables are global by deafult |
| 00:42.20 | AnduinLothar | oh? |
| 00:42.30 | Legorol | and some n00b told Sarf he is a n00b and should stfu and not talk about stuff he doesn't knwo anything about |
| 00:42.33 | Cide | what'd he say? |
| 00:42.36 | Cide | basic, that is |
| 00:42.37 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 00:42.48 | esp|Syn | well ive supposed to have just set the data from the table into an array, but i dont think it has |
| 00:43.05 | esp|Syn | so i wana check the array to see if there is anything in it |
| 00:43.10 | Legorol | basically the OP asked the classic fireball+pyroblast combo |
| 00:43.20 | Legorol | Sarf kept it simple and replied "impossible" |
| 00:43.26 | AnduinLothar | oh he just said something like "or bound by an addon filter.. i think cosmos had one at one point" |
| 00:43.27 | Kirkburn1 | For no apparent reason I want to take a plank of wood - on which is written "SENSE" - to someone's head right now |
| 00:43.41 | Legorol | random noob who told Sarf to stfu said that actually, you can chain some spells, but only instant ones that dont activate global cooldown |
| 00:44.01 | Legorol | so i told random noob to not call Sarf a noob, that he is a noob, and that actually you can chain any spells :P |
| 00:44.34 | Legorol | was a fun thread, wonder what happened to it |
| 00:44.35 | MentalPower | esp|Syn: if next(someTable) then ... end will tell you if the table/array is empty or not |
| 00:44.57 | zespri_work | Wasn't the noob right? |
| 00:45.09 | Kirkburn1 | (heh, the train annoucement screen for my journey today said "Bishop's Stfu" instead of Bishop's Stfd) |
| 00:45.19 | [Wobin] | You can chain |
| 00:45.19 | [Wobin] | It just locks your client up =P |
| 00:45.34 | zespri_work | locks up???? |
| 00:45.46 | zespri_work | what are you talking about? |
| 00:46.02 | Kirkburn1 | And throws away the key |
| 00:46.14 | zespri_work | oh that may be |
| 00:46.17 | [Wobin] | I can't recall the actual process, but Leg described it well in the thread |
| 00:46.24 | esp|Syn | Damnit server shutdown |
| 00:46.48 | esp|Syn | well i did if next(MyModData) then htsNormalText("not empty") end |
| 00:46.55 | zespri_work | Legorol, what did you describe in the thread? p) |
| 00:46.56 | esp|Syn | and it didnt error.. or say "not empty" |
| 00:46.59 | esp|Syn | so im stumped :/ |
| 00:47.39 | Legorol | zespri, i'll try to find the link |
| 00:47.55 | MentalPower | startTime = time() while (time()-startTime < 6) do ... end |
| 00:47.59 | MentalPower | that was the waiting code |
| 00:48.06 | Legorol | the gist of it is that the trick of chaining spells with SpellStopCasting() works for any spell, not just instant ones |
| 00:48.23 | Legorol | but you have to wait using a loop between casts, for the appropriate lengths of time |
| 00:48.25 | ckknight | MentalPower, ew. |
| 00:48.37 | Legorol | which means you stay in Lua all the time, locking up the game for the duration |
| 00:48.44 | MentalPower | exactly |
| 00:48.58 | Legorol | hm, my post seems missing.. |
| 00:49.00 | Legorol | anyone seen it? |
| 00:49.07 | zespri_work | Legorol, am I going insane, it's as if all taininting and one HW event stuf didn't exist? |
| 00:49.09 | Legorol | i think it was in response to Iriel commenting on something |
| 00:49.19 | Legorol | tainting is completely separate |
| 00:49.24 | esp|Syn | not me |
| 00:49.33 | Legorol | one HW event allows you to enter Lua once, and cast as many spells as you like for that one entry |
| 00:49.36 | Legorol | then exit Lua |
| 00:49.38 | zespri_work | ok cross off tanintinh |
| 00:49.59 | Legorol | this is not really exploitable tbh |
| 00:50.09 | Legorol | since you stay in Lua all the time, you don't get any gamestate updates |
| 00:50.14 | Legorol | so you can't conditionally respond to things |
| 00:50.20 | Legorol | therefore you can't automate an entire combat |
| 00:50.23 | zespri_work | Legorol, wha? I don;t understand you. Can you explain what you mean to a noob? =) |
| 00:50.25 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - nice post, that's almost exactly what I was looking to post ... but can't log |
| 00:50.34 | Legorol | zespri, i will try to find the post first :) |
| 00:50.45 | Legorol | then if you read it and still have questions, i'll elaborate |
| 00:51.00 | MentalPower | Legorol: try http://wowscrubber.com/ |
| 00:51.31 | Kirkburn1 | Cool random link of the day! http://mfile.akamai.com/18566/wmv/etouchsyst2.download.akamai.com/18355/wm.nasa-global/sts-121/right_forward_srb_camera.asx |
| 00:52.27 | Kirkburn1 | (it's a video of the shuttle taking off from a booster rocket) |
| 00:52.34 | Legorol | stupid broken search engine.. |
| 00:52.53 | Kirkburn1 | (take off is about 0:50, separation is about 2:00, landing in the sea is about 7:00) |
| 00:53.37 | Maldivia | hmm, only 2 releases between 1.11.1 and 1.11.2 |
| 00:53.41 | AnduinLothar | oh occurs to me i dont have the zoneID arg7 data for guild recruitment.. |
| 00:53.51 | Legorol | zespri: http://wowscrubber.com/thread.php?f=wow-interface-customization&t=397235 |
| 00:53.58 | Legorol | my detailed explanation is in the last post |
| 00:54.05 | Legorol | it's gone from official forum now |
| 00:54.05 | zespri_work | Legorol, cheers |
| 00:54.20 | zespri_work | probably was too long ago? |
| 00:54.29 | MentalPower | esp|Syn: if it didn't error or say "not empty" then that means its empty :P |
| 00:55.37 | Rushster | Gnight all! |
| 00:55.47 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Rushster (n=Rushster@82-41-176-6.cable.ubr04.linl.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 00:56.03 | Kirkburn1 | And there goes a man addicted to cafeine |
| 00:56.41 | Kirkburn1 | (where did that french guy go, eh) |
| 00:56.45 | zespri_work | Legorol, so you are saying that it;s possible to create a macro that does this pyroblast + whatever |
| 00:57.50 | Kirkburn1 | Time to cut short the incessant ramblings of a crazed man ... I'm sure you've loved your quiet weekend without me :P |
| 00:58.05 | Kirkburn1 | Night night! |
| 00:58.32 | Legorol | zespri: yes |
| 00:58.42 | Legorol | you can cast any combination of spells you like |
| 00:58.50 | Legorol | you just need to know how long they take to cast |
| 00:59.04 | Legorol | which is not always possible, especially if you are getting interrupted |
| 00:59.09 | Maldivia | its posible... but the game will be completely frozen while you're casting, since it has to do a busy-wait in LUA space |
| 00:59.10 | zespri_work | ok, let me read the whole thread first and ask questions later |
| 00:59.28 | Legorol | you can skip straight to the last post |
| 00:59.34 | [Wobin] | Legorol: Would lag also be accountable for issues? |
| 00:59.37 | [Wobin] | (or latency) |
| 00:59.50 | Legorol | i don't think so |
| 00:59.56 | esp|Syn | Well i cant continue with the mod now :( the servers are dead |
| 01:00.17 | Legorol | in principle you should be able to cast two fireballs by spending exactly 6.0000001 seconds in Lua |
| 01:00.33 | Legorol | actually not even that |
| 01:00.39 | Legorol | you just need to wait for the first fireball |
| 01:01.01 | [Wobin] | hm, cause the counting of spellcasting at that point would be clientside, yeah? |
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| 01:01.15 | Legorol | no, |
| 01:01.19 | Legorol | it's server side |
| 01:01.35 | Legorol | all you have to make sure is that you send the SpellStopCasting 3 seconds after you started casting Fireball |
| 01:01.40 | Legorol | so that the server has finished the cast |
| 01:01.54 | Legorol | well ok i guess if there is fluctuation in latency, you could have problems |
| 01:02.03 | Kirov | random question ... why do ace mods always seem to post a screenshot of their slash command options, but nothing else? |
| 01:02.15 | Legorol | because that's their GUI? |
| 01:02.44 | [Wobin] | Kirov: Cause most of them don't have any graphical component =P |
| 01:02.58 | Kirov | oRA, BigWigg |
| 01:03.11 | [Wobin] | And WoWi needs a screenshot |
| 01:03.11 | [Wobin] | so it's either the slash command or a "No Image" placeholder |
| 01:03.27 | esp|Syn | Well guess im guna call it a night |
| 01:03.37 | esp|Syn | since i cant actually continue and the servers are down for some time |
| 01:03.54 | Legorol | later folks |
| 01:04.07 | Maldivia | "(...) At the same time, the ability to see the level of mobs 10+ lvls higher (...)"... apparently, he doesn't know the work around :) |
| 01:04.18 | esp|Syn | lets hope this patch dosnt cause me problems :P |
| 01:04.28 | MentalPower | later Legorol |
| 01:04.28 | [Wobin] | I mean, BigWigs? Can only really show something like |
| 01:04.28 | [Wobin] | ~c'thun |
| 01:04.29 | purl | *** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - 10~ sec! *** |
| 01:04.46 | MentalPower | Maldivia: huh? |
| 01:05.05 | Maldivia | MentalPower: just quoting a post from the " slouken: GetInventory<thing> as of 1.11.2 " thread |
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| 01:08.37 | MentalPower | whats the work-around? |
| 01:08.44 | MentalPower | guessing based on name? |
| 01:09.47 | Maldivia | UnitDefense("target") / 5 = level ... works for non-players |
| 01:12.44 | AnduinLothar | LevelEstimator |
| 01:13.13 | AnduinLothar | been waiting a year for them to nerf that |
| 01:13.31 | Maldivia | hehe, me too :) |
| 01:16.44 | AnduinLothar | know what else bugs me... after all the fiasco about xfaction comm, their response about doing it with MC and emotes: creative use of MC... |
| 01:17.08 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 01:17.34 | Maldivia | MCing people in cross faction cities is also "creative use"? |
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| 01:18.29 | Kirov | Maldivia - Gets people really pissed off when you manage to kill the person they're mcing while they're recasting mc |
| 01:19.09 | esp|Syn | thats a point, is mindcontolling someone and e-moting them to talk illegal? |
| 01:19.18 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 01:19.27 | esp|Syn | good |
| 01:19.49 | Maldivia | Kirov: well, thinking more in the way of how priests can grief the other faction with repair costs, that way |
| 01:19.59 | Kirov | ah |
| 01:20.20 | Kaso | you mean in neutral cities? |
| 01:20.20 | Kirov | Yeah, tossing people off the edge in Blackrock |
| 01:20.36 | Kirov | Attacking people in cities |
| 01:20.47 | Kirov | love being a hunter |
| 01:20.48 | Maldivia | Kaso, if a priest MCs you in Booty Bay for instance, the guards will attack you, not the priest |
| 01:20.58 | Kirov | fd / scatter shot when I see a priest casting MC on me |
| 01:21.02 | Kaso | once you die they come after us |
| 01:21.08 | Kirov | well, scatter shot / fd |
| 01:21.38 | Kaso | Here's a tip to avoid MC, it has a 3 second cast and a 20yrd range, if you run away you can get out of range before we end casting |
| 01:21.43 | Kirov | I believe you can give a person negative faction when you're mcing them too |
| 01:22.01 | Kirov | anyways, time to go |
| 01:22.26 | esp|Syn | heh i know a guy who killed a lowbie in bb and then bubbles |
| 01:22.30 | Maldivia | time for me aswell |
| 01:22.38 | esp|Syn | i think thats lame as hell |
| 01:23.23 | Kaso | The guards in lights hope (and i assume CH) were uber-buffed on the PTR when i checked |
| 01:23.41 | Tem | fuckin a |
| 01:23.46 | Maldivia | Kaso, I just think the system is flawed... the guards should attack the priest, not the MCed |
| 01:23.46 | Cide | hey ckknight: you around? |
| 01:23.50 | ckknight | yes |
| 01:23.54 | Tem | 1% Vael wipes suck |
| 01:24.02 | Maldivia | Tem: hate those |
| 01:24.29 | Cide | I'm looking at BabbleLib.. does it allow you to, for example, turn "%s has left the raid group." into "([^%s]+) has left the raid group." in any way? |
| 01:25.01 | Cide | I looked through your documentation briefly but I'm unclear as to what Deformat does |
| 01:25.02 | ckknight | yes. |
| 01:25.06 | ckknight | Deformat-2.0 |
| 01:25.21 | Maldivia | anyway, night |
| 01:25.42 | ckknight | deformat("Monkey has left the raid group.", "%s has left the raid group.") == "Monkey" |
| 01:26.14 | ckknight | deformat("Durability 40 / 50", DURABILITY_TEMPLATE) == 40, 50 |
| 01:26.24 | Cide | well, I want to store the pattern |
| 01:26.38 | ckknight | it caches. |
| 01:26.50 | ckknight | through a curry cache |
| 01:28.09 | Cairenn | Iriel - feel free to just use the one on WoWI if you want, at least there it can be moderated |
| 01:28.28 | ckknight | Cide, all cool? |
| 01:28.37 | cladhaire | curry cache? |
| 01:28.51 | ckknight | yea |
| 01:28.55 | ckknight | mmm... curry |
| 01:29.21 | ckknight | basically, it makes a curry function from DURABILITY_TEMPLATE and whatever trailers you have |
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| 01:29.43 | ckknight | so then it does internalTable[DURABILITY_TEMPLATE]("Durability 40 / 50") |
| 01:29.52 | cladhaire | aye |
| 01:29.52 | ckknight | it's pretty damn fast |
| 01:30.20 | ckknight | and it catches the weird stuff |
| 01:30.24 | ckknight | like %3$s |
| 01:30.27 | ckknight | and soforth |
| 01:30.34 | Cide | ckknight: so, you're saying that deformat(arg1, ERR_RAID_MEMBER_REMOVED_S) is as fast as string.find(arg1, "^([^%s]+) has left the raid group%.$") are as fast, after the first call? |
| 01:30.40 | ckknight | also, %d, %f, etc. are converted to numbers from strings |
| 01:30.50 | ckknight | right, Cide |
| 01:30.50 | zinor | hey guys |
| 01:30.54 | Cide | s/are as fast// |
| 01:30.55 | zinor | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/war/interview.html |
| 01:30.56 | ckknight | only it works for all translations |
| 01:30.59 | Cide | alright, thanks |
| 01:31.00 | zinor | warhammer interview |
| 01:31.04 | ckknight | hey zinor |
| 01:31.20 | ckknight | how's life treating you? |
| 01:32.21 | zinor | good |
| 01:32.26 | zinor | hows things |
| 01:32.42 | ckknight | well, working on FuBar2 |
| 01:32.56 | zinor | sounds fun :) |
| 01:33.10 | ckknight | yep |
| 01:33.46 | Kaso | Can you InspectUnit("mouseover") ? |
| 01:35.15 | Shadowed|AQ | yep |
| 01:35.33 | Wobin | That could cause some lag =) |
| 01:35.41 | Shadowed|AQ | Maybe! |
| 01:35.53 | Wobin | be fun to see though |
| 01:35.53 | zinor | ckknight, you wuatchin vid? :) |
| 01:35.59 | ckknight | nope |
| 01:36.01 | Wobin | ON MOUSEOVER CHANGE =P |
| 01:36.36 | zinor | ckknight, you shoudl! :D |
| 01:36.45 | ckknight | okay, am now |
| 01:36.57 | zinor | i got stuck doing the interview cuz i speak the best english ;) |
| 01:37.04 | zinor | im not really... the interviewing person since im just a dev |
| 01:37.08 | zinor | so dont make fun of me :D |
| 01:39.34 | ckknight | lol |
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| 01:39.59 | ckknight | wait, so you did do the interview or you didn't? |
| 01:40.10 | zinor | i did it |
| 01:40.11 | zinor | :s |
| 01:40.34 | ckknight | okay |
| 01:42.31 | Mikord | so that new communication API going in for 1.12 looks pretty good |
| 01:42.41 | Wobin | It's shiny! |
| 01:43.08 | AnduinLothar | oh sweet slouken said arg3 is guild/party/raid |
| 01:43.14 | Mikord | yep |
| 01:43.25 | Mikord | and 2 the person it came from |
| 01:44.30 | Wobin | "I've already been warned that your website is what referred to as hardcore..." =P |
| 01:45.03 | Wobin | hehe |
| 01:45.12 | Wobin | He's such a ham |
| 01:45.26 | zinor | :) |
| 01:45.44 | ckknight | sweet, AL |
| 01:45.50 | Wobin | We so have to get Tekkub to pimp more requests =P |
| 01:46.22 | ckknight | how much in ass to feature ratio does Tekkub supply? |
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| 01:51.05 | ckknight | zinor, it'd be damn cool if they used Lua for Warhammer |
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| 01:51.23 | ckknight | then we could be able to port some of the libs easy and such ;-) |
| 01:51.29 | ckknight | granted, not sure I'd play... |
| 01:51.52 | zinor | yai know :) |
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| 01:52.03 | zinor | need to interview the tech guy |
| 01:52.04 | zinor | ill email him |
| 01:52.08 | zinor | see if we can do an email interview |
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| 01:53.33 | Zino | If someone sees Slouken, kiss him for me! I just read about the SendAddonMessage("text", "PARTY"|"RAID"|"GUILD") for 1.12 in the forum. *cries* |
| 01:54.02 | Mikord | yeah it's hot stuff |
| 01:54.16 | ckknight | zinor, alright |
| 01:54.26 | Wobin | ckknight: When has that stopped you? =P |
| 01:54.26 | Wobin | hehe |
| 01:54.28 | Wobin | Slou has made so many devs happy today =) |
| 01:54.47 | ckknight | zinor, ask this question: Will the API be documented? |
| 01:54.51 | Kirov | Wobin - a couple of then really, really angry |
| 01:54.56 | ckknight | in WoW, it wasn't and a 3rd party (wowwiki) had to |
| 01:55.07 | ckknight | Kirov, who? |
| 01:55.24 | Kirov | 56k users |
| 01:55.27 | Kirov | :) |
| 01:55.44 | ckknight | oh |
| 01:55.50 | zinor | kk |
| 01:55.52 | ckknight | well, I know how to solve that, Kirov |
| 01:55.55 | ckknight | "fuck em" |
| 01:56.03 | ckknight | see |
| 01:56.06 | ckknight | problem solved. |
| 01:56.20 | Kirov | ckknight - but the seven of them might be really angry! |
| 01:56.57 | Wobin | hehe |
| 01:57.04 | ckknight | Kirov, I'm sure they can get together and play D&D, which has even less bandwidth than 56k. 6 seconds of combat, that's like an hour of playing. major lag. |
| 01:57.33 | Wobin | Man, I have enough issues with ADSL and raiding. |
| 01:57.39 | Wobin | And that's with the current system |
| 01:58.10 | ckknight | that's why we need throttling. |
| 01:59.06 | Wobin | Gogo AceComm |
| 01:59.16 | Cide | ckknight: above you said Deformat-2.0 - is that an updated version? I just downloaded it from WoWI and got Deformat-1.2 |
| 01:59.22 | ckknight | Cide, on SVN |
| 01:59.32 | Cide | ah |
| 01:59.43 | ckknight | Cide, yea |
| 01:59.45 | Wobin | although, as I said, we could probably still use the global register for throttling |
| 01:59.50 | ckknight | Cide, it's better than 1.2 |
| 01:59.55 | ckknight | some things fixed |
| 02:00.03 | ckknight | yea, AceComm will have throttling, prioritzation, datagramming, serialization/deserialization, etc. |
| 02:00.10 | Kirov | Is there actually an AceComm yet? |
| 02:00.14 | ckknight | not yet |
| 02:00.23 | AnduinLothar | so it'll be sky on a stick |
| 02:00.26 | Kirov | and thank god for no more drunkify! |
| 02:00.31 | ckknight | how do you mean, AL? |
| 02:00.35 | Wobin | We just have to pick out the bits that aren't covered by the new event |
| 02:00.37 | AnduinLothar | stick == ace |
| 02:00.43 | ckknight | I don't get it. |
| 02:00.44 | Kirov | AceChickenLittle ? |
| 02:01.44 | ckknight | care to explain? |
| 02:02.00 | Cide | ckknight: http://svn.wowace.com/svnweb/index.cgi/root/browse/trunk/BabbleLib/ lists a couple of libs at 2.0, but the Deformat version up there still reads 1.2 |
| 02:02.01 | AnduinLothar | no :P |
| 02:02.16 | ckknight | Cide, http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/Deformat I think |
| 02:02.21 | ckknight | I separated it from BabbleLib |
| 02:02.24 | Cide | ah :) |
| 02:02.29 | Wobin | No no. |
| 02:02.29 | Wobin | Sky will be AceComm on a stick |
| 02:02.31 | ckknight | Babble now just has translations and uses AceLocale and such |
| 02:02.33 | Cide | yep, sneaky! |
| 02:02.35 | Cide | thanks, ckknight |
| 02:02.37 | ckknight | wtf is the stcik! |
| 02:02.39 | ckknight | stick* |
| 02:02.53 | ckknight | Cide, it uses AceLibrary, btw |
| 02:02.53 | Wobin | The stick is what's up everyone's arse when it comes to other people's addons =P |
| 02:02.54 | Cide | but now it requires AceLibrary! |
| 02:03.02 | ckknight | yea |
| 02:03.03 | Cide | so, it's not embeddable anymore? |
| 02:03.04 | ckknight | I know |
| 02:03.07 | ckknight | of course it is |
| 02:03.11 | ckknight | AceLibrary is embeddable |
| 02:03.16 | ckknight | within itself |
| 02:03.20 | ckknight | omg mindfuck ftw |
| 02:03.26 | AnduinLothar | never had hot dog ona stick? |
| 02:03.33 | ckknight | I don't eat hot dogs |
| 02:03.42 | ckknight | they go straight to my thighs |
| 02:03.43 | Wobin | Dagwood dog? |
| 02:03.44 | Wobin | heartattackonnastick |
| 02:03.48 | Wobin | (and I'm cutting my own throat) |
| 02:03.54 | AnduinLothar | i dont eat ace |
| 02:04.09 | ckknight | I'm glad, it's a framework, not a food |
| 02:04.10 | Wobin | Eating Sky, gives me wind |
| 02:04.16 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 02:04.31 | Cide | and where can I find this AceLibrary? :) |
| 02:04.33 | ckknight | Cide, all of Ace2, which includes AceLibrary, is embeddable |
| 02:04.42 | Cide | ah, Ace2. I checked Ace |
| 02:04.44 | ckknight | http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/Ace2/AceLibrary |
| 02:04.55 | Cide | yep, found it - thanks |
| 02:07.23 | AnduinLothar | so... if i made sky use ace would you use it? |
| 02:07.51 | cladhaire | ? |
| 02:07.57 | ckknight | maybe, actually |
| 02:08.04 | ckknight | that is, if you followed the coding practices |
| 02:08.10 | Wobin | If you put it up on the SVN for us to play around with also.... |
| 02:08.13 | ckknight | yea |
| 02:08.25 | ckknight | we'd need to be able to submit bugs and whatnot |
| 02:08.43 | Zino | Depeds, does Sky still eat my channels and make me totally confused even before I call any of it's functions? |
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| 02:09.03 | cladhaire | wow its getting kinda thick in here. O.o |
| 02:09.41 | ckknight | just so you know, this'll be the API of AceComm: self:SendCommMessage("event" [, data] [, priority]) and self:RegisterEvent("MyAddon_event") to receive |
| 02:09.45 | ckknight | give or take |
| 02:09.49 | ckknight | just design/theory for now |
| 02:10.51 | ckknight | it'll all fit into the OO design and everything, likely to be either a mixin or a library or both |
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| 02:11.59 | Kirov | "event"? |
| 02:12.18 | ckknight | well, it'll tie into AceEvent likely |
| 02:12.26 | ckknight | so say your addon's name is Monkey |
| 02:12.34 | ckknight | and your event is "FlingPoo" |
| 02:12.47 | ckknight | on the receiving end, the event Monkey_FlingPoo will be fired |
| 02:12.54 | ckknight | with the data given as an argumen |
| 02:12.59 | ckknight | data can be any data type |
| 02:13.05 | ckknight | including AceOO objects |
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| 02:14.22 | AnduinLothar | actually... you know what... I no longer care if you use sky. It's benifit will be nothing more than a library in 1.12 only thing we need to agree on is global channel name |
| 02:14.39 | Zino | Is there doc on how to set up and AceEvent, or missing that, what file should I look at? |
| 02:14.44 | ckknight | CommGlobal cool with everyone? |
| 02:14.45 | AnduinLothar | then you can rewrite whatever code you feel like |
| 02:14.49 | ckknight | or GlobalComm |
| 02:14.51 | ckknight | or whatever. |
| 02:14.58 | Cide | can I vote for CideIsCool? |
| 02:15.08 | AnduinLothar | GlobalComm i like better |
| 02:15.17 | Zino | Agree. |
| 02:15.31 | ckknight | okay |
| 02:15.36 | ckknight | so it'll be CideIsCool? |
| 02:15.45 | Cide | fine with me |
| 02:15.45 | ckknight | I think we can all go with that unbiased channel name. |
| 02:15.50 | Wobin | Hehe |
| 02:15.57 | Zino | If we must. :) |
| 02:16.05 | Cide | must?! |
| 02:16.08 | Cide | you WANT that. |
| 02:16.10 | Wobin | SloukensDaMan |
| 02:16.13 | Osagasu | Are they finally adding a way for Addons to transmit data without channels? |
| 02:16.21 | Cairenn | Cairissexgoddess? |
| 02:16.22 | Legorol | i think you should make a post on US UI |
| 02:16.36 | Legorol | announcing GlobalComm, and effectively asking if all modders agree |
| 02:16.44 | Legorol | it would be great if mods like CTA could be converted |
| 02:16.45 | Shadowed|AQ | i'll second what Cairenn said |
| 02:16.51 | Kirov | Cairenn - Only if the addon's only job is to send "that" photo |
| 02:16.54 | Legorol | this would need to be the only single standard that all mods would have to follow |
| 02:16.58 | Cairenn | rofl, that was sarcasm |
| 02:17.03 | ckknight | CairIsASexGoddess is ...tempting |
| 02:17.09 | Wobin | Lets go with GlobalComm |
| 02:17.10 | Shadowed|AQ | do it! |
| 02:17.30 | Legorol | how about, CairComb? |
| 02:17.51 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.03 | Cairenn | S A R C A S M :p |
| 02:18.05 | Legorol | globalcomm is... too techie |
| 02:18.16 | Legorol | let's choose a cool name that will ring well with the millions of users too |
| 02:18.17 | Shadowed|AQ | sarcasm doesn't transmite over the internet very well, so we can just say you meant it |
| 02:18.28 | Wobin | Legorol: Suggestions? |
| 02:18.29 | Legorol | let's start with a thread asking for ideas |
| 02:18.29 | Zino | FiendlyComm? |
| 02:18.33 | Legorol | we need a good design |
| 02:18.45 | zespri_work | Legorol, aren't you asleep? |
| 02:18.50 | Kirov | I'll go start the thread in general forum |
| 02:18.53 | Legorol | i am, zespri |
| 02:18.58 | Legorol | i'm sleeptalking |
| 02:19.03 | Legorol | actually, sleepircing |
| 02:19.12 | zespri_work | I copied your stuff to a wiki, in case I want to re-read it later |
| 02:19.20 | Legorol | sure |
| 02:19.25 | zespri_work | the wiki |
| 02:19.43 | zespri_work | btw, is there any list of spells that don;t trigger globalcooldown |
| 02:19.45 | Legorol | Kirov: if you are making a post on US General, I'll make the complimentary post on EU General and EU UI |
| 02:20.04 | Kirov | No need to bring the UI guys in to this. |
| 02:20.06 | Kirov | ;) |
| 02:20.29 | Kirov | They'll just flood the topic with misguided logic. |
| 02:20.42 | Wobin | heaven forbid =) |
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| 02:21.47 | yammygirlcoding | any guild master around? |
| 02:22.09 | Wobin | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/ |
| 02:22.27 | yammygirlcoding | I need to rename my guild name. you guys know if is that possible? |
| 02:22.29 | stryder_30 | Anyone willing to help out a noob thats trying to learn some xml/lua =) |
| 02:22.55 | Shadowed|AQ | yammygirlcoding: don't believe it is |
| 02:22.55 | Wobin | Bug Fixes |
| 02:22.55 | Wobin | * "Disable All Addons" will obey the character/all selection. |
| 02:22.55 | Wobin | Hurrah |
| 02:23.28 | Shadowed|AQ | have to disband and recreate unless something has changed |
| 02:23.50 | yammygirlcoding | that is goin to be the end of the guild :/ |
| 02:24.02 | ckknight | yammygirlcoding, what's your guild's name now |
| 02:24.03 | ckknight | ? |
| 02:24.37 | yammygirlcoding | its mmobrasil. but a site named mmobrasil is tellin me to rename cause they are registering the mark |
| 02:24.45 | yammygirlcoding | I dont know if they can force me to do that |
| 02:24.58 | yammygirlcoding | is that legal ? |
| 02:25.04 | Wobin | How can they do that ingame? |
| 02:25.05 | Wobin | you had it first =P |
| 02:25.23 | zespri_work | what photo? |
| 02:25.39 | yammygirlcoding | the guild creators were users of the site's forum. now the creators left the guild, and I took it over |
| 02:25.41 | ckknight | yammygirlcoding, it depends on who had it first and whether or not the trademark would create confusion |
| 02:25.48 | ckknight | ah |
| 02:25.52 | ckknight | I see |
| 02:25.55 | ckknight | yammygirlcoding, tell a GM |
| 02:26.05 | yammygirlcoding | I dont knwo what to do. they can sue me for that? |
| 02:26.13 | ckknight | technically |
| 02:26.19 | ckknight | but probably not |
| 02:26.32 | Wobin | for copyright breach? |
| 02:26.33 | stryder_30 | Anyone willing to help out a noob thats trying to learn some xml/lua =) |
| 02:26.38 | ckknight | Wobin, trademark |
| 02:26.43 | Wobin | er, yeah |
| 02:26.45 | Zino | That depends on what they have the trademark registred for. |
| 02:26.53 | ckknight | stryder_30, depends |
| 02:27.00 | Wobin | I seriuosly doubt it =P |
| 02:27.06 | yammygirlcoding | its a game's site, not exactly related to wow |
| 02:27.30 | Wobin | Although, what sort of server are you on? |
| 02:27.39 | yammygirlcoding | pvp server? |
| 02:27.45 | Wobin | One that has limits on naming? |
| 02:28.10 | Zino | A trademark is area specific, but I don't know if game site and game social group are in diffrent areas. :-/ |
| 02:28.27 | stryder_30 | i made a frame in xml, and through a barkground and border to it or whatever, and i made a layer so i could put some text using the fontstring part of XML. my question i guess is how can i change that text using lua? or is there a better way to do what im trying to do |
| 02:28.34 | yammygirlcoding | dont know. but If i have to boot everyone to invite them all, it will be the end of the guild. I will lose it all - impossible to invite everyone at the same time |
| 02:28.35 | stryder_30 | background* |
| 02:29.19 | Wobin | yammygirlcoding: I'd petition a GM to see if they can chnage the guildname or port you across if the name is going to be an issue |
| 02:29.21 | Wobin | It's happened before |
| 02:29.38 | Wobin | (in that someone complains about a guildname, and they get it changed) |
| 02:29.38 | ckknight | stryder_30, fontstring:SetText("new text") |
| 02:29.41 | Kirov | lol /chatinfo lfg = fun |
| 02:29.49 | ckknight | where fontstring is the reference to the font string |
| 02:30.12 | Legorol | ok, i think the GlobalComm channel should have a more "cool" name, not that techie. I have two ideas so far: |
| 02:30.17 | stryder_30 | hm... simple enough, will it know what fontstring i want? do i have to give it a name or something then? |
| 02:30.18 | Legorol | either name it after a big, famous river |
| 02:30.24 | ckknight | yea |
| 02:30.26 | Legorol | river representing flow of information |
| 02:30.32 | Legorol | or name it something shiny |
| 02:30.36 | Legorol | for example, how about Iridium |
| 02:30.38 | ckknight | Euphrates? |
| 02:30.41 | Wobin | Slouken! |
| 02:30.44 | Legorol | after the communication network satellites |
| 02:30.51 | Legorol | Slouken's not bad either |
| 02:30.52 | ckknight | Skynet |
| 02:30.56 | Kirov | We could give it a name that goes with both the Ace naming and the Cosmos naming |
| 02:30.58 | Wobin | Skype =P |
| 02:31.04 | Kirov | Singularity |
| 02:31.04 | Legorol | skynet is lol |
| 02:31.14 | Legorol | singularity is too long imo |
| 02:31.18 | ckknight | Kirov, the Microsoft thing? |
| 02:31.20 | Wobin | Ace naming tends towards 'absurd' =P |
| 02:31.23 | Legorol | and doesn't really have a "communication" ring to it |
| 02:31.29 | ckknight | Wobin, how so? |
| 02:31.36 | Legorol | skynet sounsd great though |
| 02:31.40 | Wobin | Well, if it's silly and makes sense, we adopt it |
| 02:31.41 | Legorol | only problem is: |
| 02:31.45 | ckknight | Mercury, god of communication |
| 02:31.50 | Legorol | it will have the "Sky" stigma associated with it |
| 02:31.57 | Legorol | I love mercury.. |
| 02:32.06 | Legorol | it's also an element that's liquid at room temperature |
| 02:32.08 | Legorol | hence flows.. |
| 02:32.20 | ckknight | he also has those silly boots |
| 02:32.44 | Legorol | my favourite would be SkyNet, if it wasn't for the sky stigma, so |
| 02:32.49 | Legorol | i personally vote for Mercury |
| 02:32.55 | Legorol | short, cool and heroic |
| 02:32.58 | ckknight | Mercury seems good to me |
| 02:32.59 | Wobin | TimeOfTheMonth |
| 02:33.05 | ckknight | AuntFlo |
| 02:33.07 | Legorol | Wobin, NOOOOOO |
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| 02:33.23 | Wobin | (*is going to hell for that comment* =P) |
| 02:33.46 | ckknight | it's funny to joke about female anatomy |
| 02:34.00 | Legorol | and what about male one.. |
| 02:34.03 | ckknight | let's all do it |
| 02:34.04 | ckknight | haha, they get cramps |
| 02:34.08 | Wobin | Urinate |
| 02:34.21 | Zino | ckknight: About the boots, I think you are thinking about Hermes. |
| 02:34.32 | Legorol | oh actually |
| 02:34.36 | ckknight | Zino, thanks for realizing that both Mercury and Hermes are the same god |
| 02:34.37 | Legorol | Hermes is the communication god |
| 02:34.40 | Legorol | or rather, messenger |
| 02:34.43 | Legorol | ah |
| 02:34.45 | Wobin | Zino: Isn't that greek/roman equivalants? |
| 02:34.47 | Legorol | that explains it, thanks ckknight :) |
| 02:34.53 | Legorol | we could call it Hermes.. |
| 02:35.00 | ckknight | or Mercury. |
| 02:35.04 | Kirov | Cide - some tests I did with early exits out of a string.find, it's faster than a sub / compare, but still about 4 times slower than a straight compare. |
| 02:35.06 | Legorol | i prefer Mercury |
| 02:35.15 | zespri_work | what's the need for a global? i.e. why CT doesn't use the raid channel why does it need it's own? |
| 02:35.18 | Legorol | but only because my university's email system is called Hermes :) |
| 02:35.22 | Zino | *googles* By the Gods, you are correct. I've learned something today. |
| 02:35.34 | ckknight | Kirov, cause a straight compare isn't comparing strings, it's comparing a reference id |
| 02:35.45 | Legorol | zespri: CT doesn't need its own |
| 02:35.52 | Legorol | but some addons, like CTA, GathererShare etc. do |
| 02:35.58 | ckknight | MyRoleplay |
| 02:36.26 | Legorol | actually, there's a problem with a standard global.. |
| 02:36.26 | Legorol | if all addons start using that one... think about the amount of traffic on it |
| 02:36.26 | zespri_work | well the last time I used ctra which was a year ago it asked to select a channel for comm |
| 02:36.30 | zespri_work | has it changed? |
| 02:36.37 | ckknight | Legorol, thus the throttling stuff I came up with |
| 02:36.48 | Legorol | no it hasn't, but that's not a global channel, zespri |
| 02:36.56 | ckknight | http://www.wowwiki.com/Addon_Comm_Throttling |
| 02:36.56 | Legorol | at least not global in the sense of reaching all players with the addon |
| 02:37.00 | Legorol | it only goes as far as the raid |
| 02:37.14 | Cide | Kirov: thanks |
| 02:37.25 | cladhaire | you'll never really be able to stop someone from destorying the channel |
| 02:37.32 | zespri_work | Legorol, the load problem is *exactly* the reason why slouken won;t give us the built-in global |
| 02:37.34 | cladhaire | that's why its important for a comm library to provide throttling. |
| 02:37.36 | ckknight | I know, and they will be bitches. |
| 02:37.40 | Cide | which hasn't changed, really |
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| 02:38.01 | Cide | I mean, anyone could spam the $!%# out of any channel before, too |
| 02:38.14 | Cide | I guess it could be a problem if the number of communicating addons multiplies |
| 02:38.32 | Zino | Yea, witch is why we don't have default global channels. |
| 02:38.51 | Legorol | the problem of throttling becomes exponentially important if we do in fact reach a "standard" |
| 02:39.05 | Legorol | i'm starting to think that actually agreeing on a standard is a bad idea.. |
| 02:39.14 | ckknight | yea, it could be... |
| 02:39.16 | Legorol | imagine just 20 different addons that use a global channel |
| 02:39.18 | ckknight | one problem is: |
| 02:39.26 | ckknight | we have to wait 2-3 damn months to use 1.12 |
| 02:39.29 | Legorol | if a user only uses 2 or 3, he is still happy |
| 02:39.39 | Legorol | i'm thinking long term :) |
| 02:39.46 | Legorol | until 1.12, the current system stays put anyway |
| 02:40.00 | Legorol | and we are talking global channel, which won't happen in 1.12 either |
| 02:40.13 | ckknight | you don't know that for sure |
| 02:40.21 | Legorol | sorry i meant to say: if a user only uses 2 or 3 addons, he is still happy with the 10 channel limit |
| 02:40.39 | Legorol | ckknight: i'd much rather we started discussing it now than wait till 1.12 |
| 02:40.47 | ckknight | yes, I agree |
| 02:41.21 | Zino | ckknight: It would depend on Bliz adding throttling to the server, so lets put it in the "highly unlikely in 1.12" pile for now. |
| 02:41.28 | Legorol | anyway, my point is, with a standard global channel, there is a danger that a huge volume of traffic will be generated, out of which only a small fraction is interesting for any user |
| 02:41.41 | ckknight | yea |
| 02:41.47 | ckknight | what we need is 255 channels :-P |
| 02:41.54 | Legorol | there won't be a single user who wants all the info |
| 02:42.10 | ckknight | so that addons that aren't in use, quit the channel |
| 02:42.20 | Zino | 'night guys. |
| 02:42.27 | Legorol | that still doesn't solve the problem of incoming data |
| 02:42.37 | ckknight | yes it does |
| 02:42.42 | ckknight | slightly |
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| 02:42.49 | Legorol | think about it |
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| 02:42.50 | ckknight | it makes it so all incoming data is relevant |
| 02:42.56 | ckknight | instead of only part of it being relevant |
| 02:42.56 | Legorol | there are 20 addons in existence |
| 02:43.04 | Legorol | 20 addons exist that use the channel |
| 02:43.06 | Legorol | i only install 2 |
| 02:43.10 | ckknight | no, 20 different channels. |
| 02:43.11 | Legorol | i still get info sent to me from 20 |
| 02:43.21 | Legorol | 20 channels?? |
| 02:43.25 | Legorol | with the 10 channel limit? |
| 02:43.33 | ckknight | <ckknight> yea |
| 02:43.33 | ckknight | <ckknight> what we need is 255 channels :-P |
| 02:43.34 | Legorol | i thought we are talking about a single, standard global channel |
| 02:43.38 | Legorol | oh right |
| 02:43.38 | ckknight | I was referring to that |
| 02:43.47 | Legorol | i dismissed that as a joke |
| 02:43.50 | Legorol | misunderstanding :) |
| 02:43.57 | ckknight | alright |
| 02:43.59 | ckknight | no biggie |
| 02:44.10 | Legorol | wb Iriel |
| 02:44.11 | Legorol | good timing |
| 02:44.15 | ckknight | but that, with client-side throttling would solve a majority of the problems |
| 02:44.34 | Legorol | we were just talking about the merits vs. demerits of coming up with a single, standardized name for a global communication channel |
| 02:44.41 | Legorol | that all addons that need to use a global channel would use |
| 02:44.48 | Legorol | various names were tossed around, but that's just a detail |
| 02:44.50 | Iriel | Give me one good reason for a global channel? |
| 02:44.59 | Legorol | the question is, do we *want* a global standard |
| 02:45.05 | Legorol | the main reason is the 10 channel limit |
| 02:45.13 | Legorol | if all addons use their own global channel, we exhaust it |
| 02:45.13 | Mikord | anyone know if lua short circuits conditions? Like if I say if (someVar == nil or someVar < 0). If someVar is nil will it skip the other test since the outcome is already known? |
| 02:45.19 | Iriel | Mikord : Yes |
| 02:45.21 | Legorol | Mikord: yes it does |
| 02:45.30 | Iriel | Mikord : it's documented nicely in the lua manual too |
| 02:45.50 | Legorol | Iriel: there are several addons that need a global channel |
| 02:45.54 | Legorol | e.g. CTA, GathererShare |
| 02:45.55 | Mikord | pfft manuals :P |
| 02:45.59 | Mikord | just kidding |
| 02:46.12 | Legorol | rtpm |
| 02:46.24 | Iriel | So, who is going to write a friendly embedded wrapper for the new addon comm API that does namespacing and throttling consistently? |
| 02:46.37 | Iriel | Legorol : CTA - okay, I buy this, but it seems that LFG has become its defacto channel |
| 02:46.37 | Legorol | even that is a technicality |
| 02:46.37 | Tain | rtfpil |
| 02:46.47 | Legorol | there is a more fundamental issue |
| 02:46.53 | Legorol | i was just explaining to ckknight |
| 02:47.07 | Legorol | imagine that a lot of addons start using that one channel |
| 02:47.21 | Legorol | the signal to noise ratio for any single individual player becomes extremely bad |
| 02:47.25 | Iriel | I would think that for GLOBAL channels, you'd want one per addon |
| 02:47.26 | Legorol | since he may only use 2 or 3 such addons |
| 02:47.38 | Legorol | if you use one per addon, you have the 10 channel problem |
| 02:48.04 | Legorol | it's bad either way.. |
| 02:48.13 | ckknight | yea |
| 02:48.19 | ckknight | I agree, Iriel |
| 02:48.27 | ckknight | the 10 -channel issue is a problem, though |
| 02:48.42 | ckknight | here's what I want: |
| 02:48.43 | Iriel | Well, folks are about to get a couple of channels back |
| 02:48.45 | Iriel | potentially |
| 02:48.45 | Kirov | Do global channels really spam that much though? |
| 02:48.50 | Legorol | let's face it, the channels weren't designed for what we are doing with them.. |
| 02:48.54 | Legorol | it's a fundamentally limited system |
| 02:49.03 | Iriel | It's an intentionally limited system too |
| 02:49.14 | Legorol | Kirov: that's not that important, i don't think |
| 02:49.22 | Legorol | because *if* we do succeed in standardizing to a single channel, |
| 02:49.23 | Kirov | limited to prevent what we're doing with them. :) |
| 02:49.32 | Legorol | even small amount of communication from lot of addons adds up |
| 02:49.34 | ckknight | an extra 10 channels _just_ for addons, at logoff, they go away, so you have to join every time. You cannot see them in chat. |
| 02:49.43 | ckknight | also, no drunkenness |
| 02:49.48 | ckknight | and forced throttling |
| 02:49.52 | Iriel | ckknight : That doesn't help blizzard's infrastructure anywhere |
| 02:50.02 | ckknight | yea... |
| 02:50.14 | ckknight | it helps clients, though |
| 02:50.41 | Legorol | i think blizz should put p2p in wow :) |
| 02:50.46 | Legorol | so that addons can use it |
| 02:51.01 | zespri_work | ckknight, it's kind of pointless. they have a very good reason not to do this, so it doens't really matter who it can help.... |
| 02:51.21 | Legorol | btw, i was wondering |
| 02:51.34 | Legorol | the disconnection only happens to an individual if he sends too much, right? |
| 02:51.47 | Legorol | what happens if 1000 players all send a small amount, simultanouesly, on one channel? |
| 02:51.54 | Iriel | disconnection is based entirely on data from client to server |
| 02:51.58 | Legorol | right |
| 02:52.03 | Iriel | that'd just cause lag, but not disconnection |
| 02:52.11 | Cide | you can disconnect from receiving data, too |
| 02:52.12 | Legorol | so you could potentially orchestrate a distribute DoS attack of some sort |
| 02:52.20 | Legorol | assuming you can get your addon into the hands of lots of people |
| 02:52.34 | Cide | I'm caught :( |
| 02:52.38 | AnduinLothar | um |
| 02:52.38 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 02:52.40 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:52.42 | Legorol | you and your drones, Cide.. |
| 02:52.47 | ckknight | that's what throttling is for. |
| 02:52.47 | AnduinLothar | disc from recieve? |
| 02:52.56 | Cide | yes |
| 02:52.59 | AnduinLothar | in wow? |
| 02:53.01 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, say 4000 users send 50 chars within a minute. |
| 02:53.04 | Cide | yes |
| 02:53.15 | ckknight | or more |
| 02:53.18 | AnduinLothar | any real #'s on the max? |
| 02:53.19 | ckknight | or faster |
| 02:53.39 | Cide | I know a couple of my friends on europe got a team of ~10 people and spammed emote macros at the mailbox |
| 02:53.55 | AnduinLothar | and someone ELSE got disc? |
| 02:54.09 | Cide | though very childish, the people around them (including themselves, naturally) got disconnected |
| 02:54.13 | Legorol | i also heard something about abusing LFG to disc half a server.. |
| 02:54.23 | AnduinLothar | hmm, news to me |
| 02:54.28 | Legorol | in EU the rate at which you can spam LFG was reduced |
| 02:54.34 | ckknight | same in US |
| 02:54.35 | Legorol | to once per 10 seconds or so |
| 02:54.42 | Mikord | well the reason I asked about the short circuiting is because that exact code is failing with a "compare to nil" whenever someVar is nil. if (someVar == nil or someVar < 0) then |
| 02:54.46 | zespri_work | Iriel is too quiet in this discussion... |
| 02:54.55 | Mikord | seems like it shouldn't be with short circuiting |
| 02:55.06 | Legorol | Mikord: i agree |
| 02:55.11 | Legorol | something else is going wrong |
| 02:55.18 | Iriel | Mikord : what lego just said |
| 02:55.20 | Cide | Mikord: is someVar nil? |
| 02:55.24 | Mikord | yes |
| 02:55.37 | Cide | err, nevermind |
| 02:55.46 | Mikord | I mean it's easy enough to get around |
| 02:55.52 | Mikord | just wondering why it's failing since it shouldn't be |
| 02:56.01 | Legorol | pebcak |
| 02:56.06 | Legorol | recheck your code :-) |
| 02:56.17 | Cide | ( test == nil or test < 0 ) <-- returns true |
| 02:56.40 | Cide | test = nil |
| 02:57.26 | ckknight | note: not test is faster than test == nil, but it checks for both false and nil |
| 02:57.30 | Mikord | nah I've got the equality (==) it's a common error though I know :) |
| 02:58.10 | Wobin | Mikord: Pastebin your code? |
| 02:58.12 | Mikord | I'll look at it later. I'm probably missing something dumb |
| 02:58.24 | Mikord | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.25 | Mikord | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.25 | Mikord | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.25 | Mikord | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.25 | Mikord | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.45 | Mikord | tried it w/o the extra parens too |
| 02:59.01 | ckknight | semicolons and parentheses, oh my! |
| 02:59.17 | Mikord | yes I know they aren't necessary, but habit haha |
| 02:59.19 | Legorol | waste of precious macro characters ;-) |
| 02:59.28 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 02:59.30 | Legorol | also, variables with names longer than a letter |
| 02:59.40 | Legorol | unneccessary indentation and spaces |
| 02:59.47 | cladhaire | haha |
| 02:59.51 | cladhaire | you guys are brutal |
| 02:59.51 | ckknight | I just think it looks "cleaner" without semicolons and parentheses |
| 02:59.52 | Mikord | yeah i need to do if not r or r<0 or r>255 then no thanks :P |
| 03:00.11 | ckknight | also, colorR is fine. |
| 03:00.23 | Mikord | I only put the extra parens to see if that was what was causing it to die |
| 03:00.27 | ckknight | I like to use single-letters only in iterators |
| 03:00.32 | Legorol | are you positive its choking on that line? |
| 03:00.56 | Legorol | it works for me.. |
| 03:01.30 | Mikord | That's the line number it's giving, but like I said I'll look at it later. It's probably a result of something else |
| 03:01.40 | Kirov | I'm going to write an entire mod using only single character variables and functions |
| 03:01.45 | Mikord | just wanted to make sure that *should* work |
| 03:01.47 | Kirov | I'm going to call it Y |
| 03:02.01 | Legorol | Kirov, been done before.. |
| 03:02.04 | Legorol | it's called Thottbot |
| 03:02.11 | Mikord | Man I've had to work with code that someone decided to do stuff like that. No thanks |
| 03:02.17 | Legorol | granted, it uses variables with names that are longer than a single char |
| 03:02.22 | Legorol | but it's obfuscated enough :) |
| 03:02.33 | Legorol | it has variables such as tttttttttt and tttttttttt |
| 03:02.41 | Mikord | When I come back next year to modify stuff *I* want to understand my own code |
| 03:02.57 | ckknight | Mikord, I agree |
| 03:02.58 | clad|shower | implying that more than one letter variables helps that doesn't fly with me =) |
| 03:03.11 | clad|shower | it sjust using meaningful one-letter variables =) |
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| 03:03.20 | ckknight | commenting and documentation is more important |
| 03:03.34 | Legorol | anyway, really off now |
| 03:03.40 | Kirov | legolais - my dad has a story of fixing a bug in a software program that existed for 10 years because someone used 77777777 as a key in one place and 777777777 in another |
| 03:03.44 | Legorol | get Iriel's opinion on Mercury :) |
| 03:04.02 | [Wobin] | legolais? =P |
| 03:04.03 | Mikord | yeah because i.d[n] is much more recognizable than interfaceData.Dropdowns[index] :P Whatever you prefer though |
| 03:04.18 | [Wobin] | Mikord: It is if you're Rowne =P |
| 03:04.41 | Legorol | oh btw... i've been using this nick looooong loooong before LotR even came out |
| 03:04.45 | ckknight | I'm gonna go with Mikord |
| 03:04.46 | Mikord | very true Wobin. When you're writing it that is |
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| 03:04.56 | Mikord | then next year you're like wtf was I thinking |
| 03:05.02 | [Wobin] | Legorol: Wot, back before Mr Tolkien himself? =P |
| 03:05.03 | AnduinLothar | before the movies anyway |
| 03:05.03 | Legorol | so i'm a bit grumpy nowadays that i am sometimes mistaken for Legolas :( |
| 03:05.09 | Legorol | i meant the film |
| 03:05.42 | Kirov | an addon that uses only lower case "l" and upper case "I" in various combinations for it's variables and function names |
| 03:05.42 | stryder_30 | is there a place where i can find a list of all or most of the events that i can register events for my mod? |
| 03:05.42 | Mikord | wowwiki |
| 03:05.42 | [Wobin] | stryder_30: WowWiki |
| 03:05.42 | ckknight | Kirov, it's fun to purposefully obfuscate code! |
| 03:05.56 | stryder_30 | yeah, im looking on wowwiki, i guess i didnt see it, ill look some more |
| 03:05.56 | Legorol | Kirov, why not use _ as variaable name? |
| 03:05.57 | [Wobin] | I wanna code in Ook |
| 03:05.58 | Legorol | much more fun |
| 03:06.01 | Legorol | _ and __ and ___ |
| 03:06.15 | Mikord | I did that for my comp sci final program. We had to write a program in the least lines/character as possible in C. Ahh good times |
| 03:06.17 | [Wobin] | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_%28API%29 |
| 03:06.36 | [Wobin] | Mikord: HEhe, what a great way to encourage good coding =P |
| 03:06.43 | Mikord | yeah no joke |
| 03:06.49 | ckknight | Mikord, I mean purposefully useing I, i, L, l, 1, O, o, and 0 |
| 03:06.59 | stryder_30 | oh wow, thanks Wobin! |
| 03:07.08 | Mikord | yeah I hear ya ck |
| 03:07.28 | Kirov | |lI!IIll| |
| 03:07.34 | [Wobin] | hm, weren't we going to get a link to the AceWiki from the frontpage of WowWiki? |
| 03:07.41 | Mikord | but seriously does it eat up more memory with that parens and semicolons? Seems like it shouldn't matter much |
| 03:07.46 | Mikord | the* |
| 03:08.03 | ckknight | Mikord, well, it's like saying your car goes faster when you don't wear underpants. |
| 03:08.11 | [Wobin] | Mine does |
| 03:08.18 | ckknight | yes, mine too |
| 03:08.22 | ckknight | but not by much. |
| 03:08.38 | [Wobin] | Although I feel much freer when driving like that |
| 03:08.47 | ckknight | probably just seems faster |
| 03:09.10 | Mikord | cool. That's what I figured |
| 03:09.35 | Mikord | And driving with no underwear is the way to go |
| 03:09.59 | ckknight | right, and thus writing if statements without parentheses is the way to go |
| 03:10.11 | ckknight | they're not needed, I think it looks cleaner without em |
| 03:10.14 | ckknight | it's up to you, though |
| 03:10.19 | [Wobin] | It's more a habit for me |
| 03:10.37 | ckknight | same with semicolons, almost never needed |
| 03:10.59 | Mikord | aye. I read that lua doesn't need them, but I'm with Wobin. It's a habit since so many languages require them |
| 03:11.16 | Kirov | ; is white space in lua |
| 03:11.26 | ckknight | yepe |
| 03:11.30 | ckknight | yep* |
| 03:11.40 | Cide | might as well remove tabs and linebreaks, too! |
| 03:11.44 | ckknight | ... |
| 03:11.48 | ckknight | it's about readibility |
| 03:11.49 | Mikord | haha |
| 03:11.58 | ckknight | readability* |
| 03:12.00 | Cide | apparently my joke failed :( |
| 03:12.06 | Mikord | indentation....who needs it right? |
| 03:12.06 | ckknight | readability above all. |
| 03:12.21 | ckknight | because it makes it easier for both others and yourself to read |
| 03:12.26 | AnduinLothar | should definitely remove linebreaks |
| 03:12.31 | Mikord | I'm joking ck |
| 03:12.31 | AnduinLothar | problomatic suckers |
| 03:12.42 | ckknight | Mikord, yea, yea |
| 03:12.42 | Mikord | Heck I'm so bad I almost comment every line of code |
| 03:12.48 | ckknight | hehe |
| 03:12.56 | ckknight | I comment when I consider it unclear |
| 03:13.06 | ckknight | I like to just have documentation instead |
| 03:13.22 | AnduinLothar | should get rid of variables too, too much overhead. should just use register locations |
| 03:13.30 | Mikord | well I like to be able to just read down the comments when I'm looking for something |
| 03:13.45 | ckknight | xor ax, ax ftw |
| 03:13.48 | [Wobin] | jmp |
| 03:14.00 | Mikord | hayle yeah. xor ax, ax. Much better than = 0 |
| 03:14.12 | ckknight | depends on your processor |
| 03:14.26 | Mikord | Heck why not just go straight down to a program of 90 90 90 90 90 90. Sure it won't do anything but hey |
| 03:14.55 | Mikord | 90 = nop btw for those who are like huh |
| 03:16.46 | ckknight | I took x86 Assembly a year ago |
| 03:16.56 | ckknight | wrote a brainfuck compiler in it ;-) |
| 03:17.28 | Mikord | nice |
| 03:17.30 | ckknight | (final project) |
| 03:17.45 | ckknight | you know what's also fun? 2d languages |
| 03:17.49 | Mikord | Ever debugged the windows kernel? |
| 03:17.56 | ckknight | nope |
| 03:18.07 | [Wobin] | sounds like a migraine waiting to happen |
| 03:18.08 | Mikord | if you want to see horrible code that's the place |
| 03:18.10 | ckknight | I'm a *nix fan, only use Windows cause of WoW |
| 03:18.25 | ckknight | which I don't even really play anymore :-P |
| 03:18.54 | Tem | Yay for Pirate and Ninja tanks |
| 03:20.27 | Mikord | just write mode for it now huh |
| 03:30.50 | Hexarobi | so i want to populate a scrolling list with file names from a folder inside my addons folder, is it possible to get that info? |
| 03:31.20 | AnduinLothar | not really |
| 03:31.50 | AnduinLothar | but you could make a list of addons |
| 03:35.36 | Kirov | I don't think that's really what he's looking for. |
| 03:36.22 | Kirov | Hexarobi - what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 03:44.53 | fatbrain | RFC: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IE0bVoZfghuMxot |
| 03:45.21 | Hexarobi | ive got a plugin that lets people play sounds to each other |
| 03:45.47 | Hexarobi | so ive got addons/soundshare/sounds and inside that sounds folder is for instance hi.wav |
| 03:46.09 | Hexarobi | anytime someone says )hi at the begining of a chat scentence it plays the sound |
| 03:46.38 | Hexarobi | its working fine, but weve got alot of sounds now and its hard to remeber all the names |
| 03:46.43 | Hexarobi | alt tabing to the folder is a pain |
| 03:46.58 | Hexarobi | so im hoping to program up a scroll box with all the sounds listed, that you can click to play |
| 03:46.59 | fatbrain | Who cares about your stupid sounds :P check my lock-build. *tihi* |
| 03:47.32 | Mikord | you can't really get a file list, but you could just implement a save var that adds the names to the cache as you enter them |
| 03:47.32 | Gryphen | O.o |
| 03:47.38 | Iriel | You'll need to put the sound names into a .lua file, if they ship with the addon |
| 03:47.41 | Mikord | then enter them once and it's good to go |
| 03:47.58 | Mikord | or like Iriel said create a static list in a .lua |
| 03:48.00 | Iriel | Mikord's suggestion is a good one if the sounds are user provided |
| 03:48.45 | Mikord | Depends on if you have static sounds or not |
| 03:49.09 | Mikord | then when a sound is selected you can remove it from the queue if it can't be opened (ie file not there) |
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| 03:59.27 | Hexarobi | ya the sounds are user provided |
| 03:59.54 | Hexarobi | it ships with a few examples but the idea is people can drop thier own sounds in |
| 04:00.31 | Hexarobi | building a list of sounds that work is interesting, but not sure its worth the trouble if its only sounds youve heard |
| 04:01.00 | Hexarobi | if were talking 1,000 sounds, i dont wanna go thru and play each one |
| 04:01.51 | Wobin | You'll have to look at a hardcoded list in lua then |
| 04:02.37 | Hexarobi | is there a way to check if a file exists? |
| 04:02.54 | Iriel | No |
| 04:03.28 | Hexarobi | then i cant add to the list cuz itll add anything said with a ) |
| 04:03.45 | Hexarobi | i just attempt to play anything said with a ), if the file doesnt exist nothing happens |
| 04:03.57 | Wobin | That'd work |
| 04:04.03 | Cairenn | Iriel: did you get my PM just now? sent it before I forgot to change name back, so it may not have gone through |
| 04:04.12 | Cairenn | before I remembered* |
| 04:05.38 | Mikord | Hex: The PlaySoundFile() call will return nil if the file couldn't be found |
| 04:05.46 | Mikord | keep in mind though that due to the way that the addons work |
| 04:06.05 | Mikord | if you were to add a sound file into that directory it won't show up until the game is completely shutdown and started up again |
| 04:06.10 | Mikord | a /console reloadui will not do the trick |
| 04:06.15 | Iriel | Cairenn : No |
| 04:06.40 | Cairenn | Iriel: re-sent |
| 04:06.40 | Cide | ckknight: you around? |
| 04:07.09 | Hexarobi | k mik |
| 04:07.22 | Hexarobi | ya i know that mik |
| 04:07.32 | Hexarobi | but thats proven not a big deal so far |
| 04:07.46 | Mikord | So when you actually go to play the file. if not PlaySoundFile("pathhere.mp3") then do stuff here to remove the file from your list of valid sounds; end |
| 04:07.55 | Hexarobi | ya |
| 04:08.14 | Hexarobi | then that just leaves the hard part of displaying a scrolling list |
| 04:08.29 | Mikord | FauxScrollFrame |
| 04:08.32 | Hexarobi | ive been looking at decursive |
| 04:08.40 | Hexarobi | the way they do a simple scrolling list |
| 04:08.44 | Mikord | yeah |
| 04:08.53 | Mikord | I like FauxScrollFrames myself |
| 04:08.58 | Mikord | they are really easy once you figure them out |
| 04:09.07 | Hexarobi | know of any simple examples? |
| 04:09.16 | Hexarobi | this is my first time messing with the xml side of addons |
| 04:09.27 | Hexarobi | ive looked at the skills frames |
| 04:09.34 | Hexarobi | but theres so much going on there |
| 04:09.41 | Hexarobi | seems hard to figure out what bits i need and dont |
| 04:12.08 | Mikord | I'm looking for one |
| 04:12.09 | Wobin | Hexarobi: Have a look on WowWiki |
| 04:12.21 | Wobin | There's an example on there I believe |
| 04:13.07 | Mikord | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Make_a_Scrollable_List_Using_FauxScrollFrameTemplate |
| 04:13.43 | Wobin | That's the bunny |
| 04:15.31 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:15.39 | Wobin | anyone have any feature suggestions for PaintBall? |
| 04:16.40 | Mikord | Can you make it insta-gib my enemy :P |
| 04:17.03 | Wobin | Sure |
| 04:17.08 | Mikord | woo hoo |
| 04:17.23 | Wobin | You may have to click on the paintball addon a few times wihle you're autoattacking |
| 04:18.03 | Mikord | if not UnitIsDead("target") then WobinsUberDeathKill(); end ... Just provide that function and I've got the rest haha |
| 04:19.37 | Tem | *gulp* |
| 04:19.48 | Wobin | short walk =\ |
| 04:19.54 | Cairenn | :p |
| 04:20.08 | Cairenn | just getting that name registered and linked too, so I don't goof again |
| 04:21.29 | clad|sleep | night all |
| 04:21.36 | Cairenn | night WobinZzZzz, clad|sleep |
| 04:22.49 | Hexarobi | whoot thx |
| 04:24.02 | Hexarobi | if i create a list of sound names, will i be able to save that across multiple sessions? i assume so |
| 04:24.26 | Hexarobi | do i just add the lists var name to the saved var section of the toc? |
| 04:25.19 | Wobin | basically yes =) |
| 04:27.53 | Mikord | aye |
| 04:28.42 | Mikord | ## SavedVariables: HexarobiSounds |
| 04:28.44 | Mikord | or whatever |
| 04:29.12 | Mikord | then just a HexarboiSounds["SoundName"] = soundPath |
| 04:29.28 | Mikord | for soundName, soundPath in HexarobiSounds do populate list here; end |
| 04:29.32 | Mikord | more or less |
| 04:30.31 | Mikord | or as these guys would have you. for s, p in hs do |
| 04:30.32 | Mikord | ;P |
| 04:30.44 | Wobin | phbt =P |
| 04:31.44 | Cide | ipairs(hs) or pairs(hs), actually :) |
| 04:32.21 | Mikord | heh I've done it w/o |
| 04:32.27 | Cide | or, preferably.. i, p = ipairs, pairs; for n, s in i(h) do |
| 04:33.01 | Mikord | :P you single name coders |
| 04:33.14 | Mikord | single letter that is |
| 04:33.21 | Cide | I rarely ever do that :) |
| 04:33.24 | Wobin | what's the p for, Cide? |
| 04:33.31 | Cide | pairs |
| 04:33.36 | Cide | (not used) |
| 04:33.42 | Mikord | soundpath |
| 04:33.42 | Wobin | Hehe, only time I do that crap is for macros |
| 04:33.48 | Mikord | yeah same here wobin |
| 04:34.01 | Cide | though I need to get a hold of ckknight :( |
| 04:34.07 | Wobin | Not used?! Fershame, that's a waste of letters |
| 04:34.12 | Mikord | actually I usually just add the function to one my function library .lua file and call it from the macro |
| 04:34.49 | Mikord | MikLib.lua ftw |
| 04:35.05 | Mikord | I can write my "macros" as long as I want |
| 04:35.13 | Wobin | I could never get myself organised to do too many macros |
| 04:35.23 | Wobin | It just seemed more useful to write an addon that did it better =P |
| 04:35.37 | Mikord | Yeah Back when you could dual trinket |
| 04:36.02 | Mikord | I check if the target was a hostile player and if so double trinket otherwise it would just do one trinket then the next after the CD on the first was up |
| 04:36.23 | Mikord | Talisman of Ephemeral Power and Zandalarian Hero Charm are the two I'm talking about |
| 04:37.00 | Mikord | 4k pyro crit + 1600 ignite damage would wreck someone. (that's with the BG berserker buff of course) |
| 04:37.14 | Mikord | and arcane power |
| 04:37.18 | Mikord | but oh well no more of that |
| 04:37.41 | Mikord | have to actually play now instead of one button i-win macros haha |
| 04:40.57 | Mikord | oh well night folks |
| 04:42.00 | Tem | wow... |
| 04:42.05 | Tem | first time for everything |
| 04:42.14 | Tem | we hit Ebonroc's agro ceiling |
| 04:42.14 | Wobin | what's that? |
| 04:42.24 | Wobin | how's that work? |
| 04:42.27 | Tem | then he Shadowflamed the raid |
| 04:42.31 | Tem | it was |
| 04:42.33 | Tem | cute |
| 04:44.45 | Tem | he has a move that reduces agro by a percent |
| 04:45.45 | Tem | so after a certain point, the tank can't get higher agro |
| 04:45.52 | gnorlish | how many tanks do you have on him |
| 04:45.57 | Tem | 3 |
| 04:46.05 | gnorlish | gracious |
| 04:46.10 | Tem | ? |
| 04:46.14 | Shadowed | aww |
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| 04:46.19 | Shadowed | the +30 STA buff things disappeared :( |
| 04:46.21 | gnorlish | we use 5 or 6 with taunt redundancy |
| 04:46.23 | Tem | we lost one and it got ugly |
| 04:46.27 | gnorlish | b/c he resists taunts like crazy |
| 04:46.39 | Tem | ya, we were getting a lot tonight |
| 04:46.40 | Razh | <Razh> might sound like a stupid question, but how do you remove a key from a table? |
| 04:46.40 | Razh | <Razh> the table.remove method accepts only an integer as an argument |
| 04:46.40 | Razh | <Razh> while assigning a key to nil will simply edit it's value, not the actual key |
| 04:46.40 | Razh | <Wobin> hm |
| 04:46.40 | Razh | <Razh> for example, if my key is money and it's value is banana |
| 04:46.41 | Razh | <Razh> a = {money = "banana"} |
| 04:46.43 | Razh | <Razh> or b = {cat = "dog", money = "banana |
| 04:46.45 | Razh | <Razh> how do i delete money = "banana"? |
| 04:46.47 | Razh | <Razh> b[money] = nil or b.money=nil simply changes the table to |
| 04:46.49 | Razh | <Razh> b = {cat = "dog", money = nil, ...} |
| 04:46.51 | Razh | <Razh> and i cant use table.remove because it removed an index, not a key |
| 04:46.53 | Razh | <Razh> any ideas? |
| 04:47.06 | fatbrain | omg |
| 04:47.16 | fatbrain | was that a re-post? |
| 04:47.35 | fatbrain | I doubt ppl have the strength to read up on all that. |
| 04:47.37 | Razh | yea, was never asnwered in #wowace, lol |
| 04:48.10 | Tem | table[key] = nil |
| 04:48.45 | Wobin | er |
| 04:48.47 | Wobin | I did |
| 04:48.49 | Wobin | but I guess I'm lagged to all hell here |
| 04:48.53 | Wobin | Or just ignored =( |
| 04:49.07 | Razh | lol wobin answered it |
| 04:49.09 | Razh | thats bro |
| 04:49.13 | Razh | thanks* |
| 04:49.57 | Wobin | k, I'm going for a nap |
| 04:50.13 | WobinZzzZ | bah, missed a z |
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| 05:09.47 | Tem | Woot! |
| 05:09.50 | Shadowed | ? |
| 05:09.53 | Tem | I so resisted that shadow flame |
| 05:10.01 | Tem | didn't have my ony cloak on either |
| 05:11.44 | Corrodias | what's the current version of WoW? |
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| 05:12.41 | Cairenn | 1.11.2. |
| 05:12.46 | Tem | 1.11.2 |
| 05:13.08 | Corrodias | with a .2 on the end, even! wow |
| 05:13.59 | Cairenn | .5464 |
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| 05:16.17 | End-afk | well |
| 05:16.29 | End | that's weird |
| 05:16.39 | End | I can't get seterrorhandler() to work |
| 05:18.39 | End | ok |
| 05:18.45 | End | it's my code that is broken |
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| 05:20.09 | Corrodias | "paid character transfer"? that's new |
| 05:21.05 | End | what the hell |
| 05:21.15 | End | something is goofy |
| 05:22.47 | Shadowed | eh |
| 05:23.05 | Shadowed | Why does GetBattlefieldInstanceRunTime() suddently start returning 0? I did a dump twice apart a second apart and it works fine, the next time it returns 0 |
| 05:24.39 | Corrodias | $25 a pop. woo. |
| 05:25.29 | Cairenn | yeah, kinda steep |
| 05:26.12 | End | it's per char too isn't it? |
| 05:26.20 | Corrodias | yes |
| 05:26.21 | Cairenn | aye, that's why it's steep |
| 05:26.28 | End | see, that's why I can't do it |
| 05:26.33 | Cairenn | if it were per account, it wouldn't be toooooo bad |
| 05:26.42 | Corrodias | it's not something they want people to be doing a lot |
| 05:26.55 | Shadowed | the 6 month transfer cooldown proves that |
| 05:26.56 | Corrodias | as i understand, that's the purpose of such a charge |
| 05:27.05 | Corrodias | well, that's just per-character as well |
| 05:27.07 | End | I'd want to move at least 4 characters at once, and I'm not going to pay $100+ to do that |
| 05:27.09 | Shadowed | s/proves/helps/ |
| 05:27.40 | ckknight | back |
| 05:28.00 | Cairenn | End: tell me about it, I'd have ... *at least* 10 characters that would have to be moved |
| 05:28.14 | Cairenn | not happening |
| 05:28.40 | End | in the mean time, I'm going to continue to bitch about my realm's stability |
| 05:29.00 | Cairenn | my 2 horde, 2 alliance, my daughter's 2 ally (dunno if she'd want her horde moved), my hubby's 2 ally (ditto) |
| 05:29.10 | Corrodias | don't like your realm, eh? |
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| 05:29.19 | Shadowed | hey! |
| 05:29.22 | Cairenn | hi slouken |
| 05:29.31 | End | granted, it isn't just my realm with issue |
| 05:29.33 | End | hey-a slouken |
| 05:29.35 | Cairenn | guess you have the time and inclination |
| 05:30.04 | End | well, my solution is to start an alts :P |
| 05:30.08 | End | s/an // |
| 05:30.09 | slouken | Thanks. :) |
| 05:30.09 | Corrodias | "You will need to answer your secret question to begin the transfer process." |
| 05:30.24 | Corrodias | well, that's kind of strange. i don't even remember what it was. |
| 05:30.24 | Shadowed | Hmm, is it safe to say that GetNumBattlefieldStateUI() doesn't exist anymore if it can't find it? |
| 05:30.32 | slouken | "What.. is your NAME?" |
| 05:30.39 | End | Corrodias, you can contact blizzard billing and whatnot to get it changed I think |
| 05:30.50 | Shadowed | err can't find it when you try doing a /dump GetNumBattlefieldStateUI() that is |
| 05:30.53 | Corrodias | that would be good. |
| 05:30.54 | slouken | "WHAT is your favorite color?" |
| 05:30.56 | End | I don't remember what mine is either |
| 05:31.01 | Iriel | Shadowed : GetNumBattlefieldWorldStateUI |
| 05:31.02 | ckknight | yellow, no, blue! |
| 05:31.04 | End | lol slouken |
| 05:31.05 | slouken | lol |
| 05:31.11 | Corrodias | my password isn't good enough for them, i guess :P |
| 05:31.21 | End | what is the air speed of a swallow? |
| 05:31.28 | End | which, european or african? |
| 05:31.29 | Shadowed | Iriel: Just figuring out if i should remove the entry from the wiki or not |
| 05:31.56 | Shadowed | err nevermind |
| 05:32.27 | Shadowed | guess it has to be changed to that, wiki has GetNumBattlefieldStateUI |
| 05:32.31 | Corrodias | "Blizzard takes the integrity of its game and its account ownership very seriously." |
| 05:32.33 | Corrodias | oh LAUGH! |
| 05:32.34 | stryder_30 | is there a way to get the game time including seconds? I found 'GetGameTime()' but that only has hours and minutes. |
| 05:32.56 | End | watch for minute change? |
| 05:32.58 | Shadowed | Corrodias: Is this EU? I was able to do it without requiring the second question |
| 05:32.58 | End | and start counting? |
| 05:33.10 | Corrodias | i'm just reading the FAQ |
| 05:33.25 | Shadowed | ah |
| 05:33.28 | Corrodias | i haven't even decided yet if i want to reactivate my account and play again, and i certainly wouldn't move my characters if i were to. |
| 05:33.32 | stryder_30 | yeah, i thought of that End, but I was just trying to see if i was missing anything to make it simpilar =P |
| 05:33.36 | Shadowed | They removed the secret question requirement 3ish days ago |
| 05:33.53 | End | probably because noone remembered it :P |
| 05:33.55 | Cairenn | so yeah, I poke him to come hang out in the channel since he hasn't lately, and because you guys are having such fun talking about his latest gifty to everyone, and no one talks to him |
| 05:34.05 | End | hi slouken! |
| 05:34.07 | End | how's it going! |
| 05:34.07 | ckknight | stryder_30, ClockFu has examples of second-counting |
| 05:34.11 | End | how's the weather! |
| 05:34.20 | Corrodias | i think i generally answer secret questions with something related to hermaphrodites |
| 05:34.21 | End | uh...there be ufos? |
| 05:34.36 | stryder_30 | okay, ill take a look |
| 05:34.41 | UNI | anyone know a mod where i can like draw lines on the map or something similar. the thing i want to do is show devilsaur paths |
| 05:34.43 | stryder_30 | Thanks again |
| 05:35.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | <UNI> anyone know a mod where i can like draw lines on the map or something similar. the thing i want to do is show devilsaur paths |
| 05:35.06 | Shadowed | slouken is hiding now though |
| 05:35.13 | End | I think he is |
| 05:35.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i remember correctly, you can link mapnotes with lines...though i might be wrong |
| 05:35.21 | End | slouken follows the path of a true ircer |
| 05:35.24 | End | he idles |
| 05:35.29 | UNI | ok i'll look into it thanks |
| 05:35.35 | Shadowed | says hello, then goes AFK for a few hours and leaves! |
| 05:35.49 | End | hey, I went afk for about two weaks went |
| 05:35.53 | End | s/went/once/ |
| 05:35.57 | End | well, afk from here |
| 05:36.03 | Cairenn | oops, sorry, that's probably my fault |
| 05:36.09 | Cairenn | we're busy flirting |
| 05:36.13 | End | o_O |
| 05:36.21 | End | oh |
| 05:36.27 | Shadowed | since when did he need to be on IRC to do that? |
| 05:36.35 | Cairenn | he doesn't ;) |
| 05:36.35 | End | I thought you were talking about me going afk, and that -really- confused |
| 05:36.39 | End | me |
| 05:37.26 | Shadowed | Iriel: Would it be worth posting that GetBattlefieldInstanceRunTime() seems to go from returning a value to returning 0 for no apparent reason? |
| 05:37.40 | Shadowed | s/a value/instance run time/ |
| 05:37.46 | Iriel | Yes, especially if you can write a simple addon that demonstrates it |
| 05:37.50 | slouken | Sorry, not using a true IRC client here, missed the conversation after the last 20 lines. :) |
| 05:38.09 | ckknight | I see |
| 05:38.18 | ckknight | so you missed our great serenade |
| 05:38.19 | End | which untrue IRC client is that? |
| 05:38.26 | Shadowed | I'm not actually sure what causes it, just that it changed from returning the run time to 0 with about 2 seconds inbetween |
| 05:38.37 | Shadowed | doesn't seem to be anything specific just it stops returning the run time |
| 05:40.05 | End | oh |
| 05:40.08 | End | that's just... |
| 05:40.12 | End | the stupidest thing ever |
| 05:40.32 | End | I was using wowbench to do a quick pass on whether or not my code was really bad or not |
| 05:40.48 | End | it doesn't implement geterrorhandler() or seterrorhandler() though |
| 05:41.02 | End | so I had function geterrorhandler() end and function seterrorhandler() end at the top of my code |
| 05:41.16 | End | forgot to remove those two lines when I returned to real WoW land |
| 05:44.11 | End | woot, my code works again, it's time for bed now |
| 05:44.28 | Cairenn | night End-sleep |
| 05:45.57 | End-sleep | night |
| 05:46.30 | slouken | night night end |
| 05:51.27 | Shadowed | wheeee for WSg |
| 05:53.52 | Cairenn | okay, time for this chickie to pass out, night guys |
| 05:53.53 | Shadowed | first the dog wants to come in, then out, then in, then out, then in. why can't it make up it's mind |
| 05:53.58 | Shadowed | night Cairenn|sleep |
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| 06:21.07 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:21.15 | Shadowed | hey |
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| 06:37.18 | Elkano | Dolby-wowi, are you there? |
| 06:41.37 | slouken | Good night... |
| 06:41.55 | Elkano | there's a bug with 'post comment on download' page. it should show the 15 newest comments but instead it shows the 15 oldest (at least for me) |
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| 06:57.59 | Shadowed | Another wiki question! Are there ( if any ) issues with updating a page like http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBattlefieldInfo to use the template stuff ( just clean up how it looks basically ) |
| 06:59.23 | Iriel | As long as you dont remove valid information you can do whatever is right |
| 06:59.51 | Shadowed | alright |
| 07:00.31 | Shadowed | Annnd whats "This page uses the deprecated {{WoW API}} template, please replace it. |
| 07:00.31 | Shadowed | Retrieved from "http://www.wowwiki.com/API_PetHasActionBar" |
| 07:00.50 | Shadowed | Bah, didn't mean to get all of that |
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| 07:10.14 | wereHamster | OMG did we just get a hidden comm channel? |
| 07:10.41 | Shadowed | yes |
| 07:10.41 | wereHamster | too bad slouken already lest :( |
| 07:10.45 | wereHamster | left.. |
| 07:11.33 | Iriel | yes, we did |
| 07:12.47 | Elkano | <3 |
| 07:13.47 | MoonWolf | wait WHAT ? |
| 07:13.48 | MoonWolf | link ? |
| 07:14.26 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=406803&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard |
| 07:15.10 | MoonWolf | cool |
| 07:15.41 | MoonWolf | tre cool |
| 07:16.36 | wereHamster | I opened the thread and was wondering why it suddenly has 12 pages.. yesterday it had only nine ;) |
| 07:20.42 | MoonWolf | *community chucks half the protocol* |
| 07:20.48 | MoonWolf | *community redoes the other half* |
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| 07:21.15 | MoonWolf | *everybody is happy& |
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| 07:25.10 | Tem | oh man |
| 07:25.18 | Tem | the noobs got ahold of the comm thread |
| 07:26.22 | MoonWolf | it was blue |
| 07:26.39 | MoonWolf | I don' t think they figured out the protocol yet. |
| 07:26.41 | MoonWolf | luckely |
| 07:27.30 | Corrodias | eh? |
| 07:29.40 | Corrodias | noobs! |
| 07:31.00 | Tem | NOOOO! |
| 07:31.02 | Tem | I missed him |
| 07:31.18 | Corrodias | what are these "embeddable libraries" i keep hearing about? i can see the oint, if they are what i think they are, but i'm not sure it's enough of a point to bother |
| 07:31.24 | Tem | "If its not a hidden chat channel then what will our mods monitor to get the text message to parse?" |
| 07:32.00 | wereHamster | yep.. the noobs :-/ |
| 07:32.24 | wereHamster | did he even read the blue post? |
| 07:32.35 | Corrodias | let's see... i stopped playing WoW about... only five and a half months ago |
| 07:32.35 | Shadowed | ...wow |
| 07:32.59 | Iriel | Corrodias : http://www.iriel.org/wow/addondev/embedlibrary1.html |
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| 07:33.21 | Corrodias | you have your own site now? the amount of win could collapse the internet. |
| 07:33.34 | Iriel | Dont hate me, but all the inspect threads make me smile uncontrollably. |
| 07:33.50 | Iriel | It's not very exciting |
| 07:33.57 | Iriel | iriel.org, that is |
| 07:33.59 | Shadowed | Because they didn't read the 5 other threads, or because you enjoy other people suffering? :p |
| 07:34.12 | Corrodias | the "memory-efficient" goal sounds very difficult |
| 07:34.58 | Corrodias | well, anyway, i'm sure you have gotten or will get it worked out |
| 07:35.29 | Iriel | My approach works fairly well, the Ace folks have a modified approach which works also. |
| 07:35.48 | MoonWolf | You are supposed to be sleeping , lier. |
| 07:35.58 | Iriel | The general 'technique' is the important part (Discard unnecessary copies at runtime, each addon that needs it brings along its own copy) |
| 07:36.12 | Iriel | Heh, I made the mistake of hitting refresh on my forum window |
| 07:36.22 | Tem | Iriel, what about those threads makes you smile? |
| 07:36.36 | Tem | is it the fact that people are whining at a brick wall? |
| 07:37.07 | Iriel | It's because the API's have been 'broken' for some time and finally got fixed (and slouken warned us it'd be fixed eventually, but I dont think he made the fix) |
| 07:37.10 | Corrodias | wait, what? inspect threads? do i need to read some patch notes? >_> |
| 07:37.30 | MoonWolf | I love it when stuff breaks when blizzard fixes things |
| 07:37.33 | Corrodias | not if i'm not going to play. argh, the indecision is terrible! |
| 07:37.34 | Iriel | Corrodias : Most of the inspect API's now obey the CheckInteractDistance distance limit |
| 07:37.42 | MoonWolf | (registerforsave) |
| 07:37.44 | Iriel | Corrodias : Rather than working on anyone visible. |
| 07:37.52 | Corrodias | oh. that's unfortunate. |
| 07:38.12 | Iriel | It's at least consistent now, they are going to approximately double the range in 1.12 |
| 07:38.22 | Corrodias | i rather enjoyed being able to inspect someone without having to act like i'm surgically attached to them. |
| 07:38.48 | Tem | hmm, I don't remember said warning |
| 07:38.53 | Tem | perhaps it was before my time |
| 07:39.29 | Tem | I've only been paying close attention to what slouken says since I've been crashing wow |
| 07:39.40 | MoonWolf | Corrodias, I am sure making a mod that doesn' t close the window after they leave range is trivial to do. |
| 07:39.51 | wereHamster | at least the inspect window shouldn't close when the person runs out of range |
| 07:39.51 | Tem | it is |
| 07:40.06 | Tem | the one problem there is that set items will revert to you instead of them |
| 07:40.10 | Tem | but no matter |
| 07:40.16 | Tem | that's a miner annoyance |
| 07:40.24 | Iriel | An addon could just capture and cache |
| 07:40.59 | Tem | there are already addons that do that |
| 07:41.11 | Iriel | Yikes, the wowi-lounge transcripts get googled |
| 07:41.13 | Corrodias | i'm also six months behind in addon news |
| 07:41.27 | Tem | Iriel, what's the google? |
| 07:41.47 | Corrodias | if i play Vagrant Story or some other game instead of WoW next, i'll get even farther behind... |
| 07:42.09 | MoonWolf | purl wowi-lounge gets a het tem |
| 07:42.14 | Kalroth | mmm, SendAddonMessage() should be sexy! |
| 07:42.14 | Iriel | Search for 'tem break slouken' |
| 07:42.29 | Tem | rofl! |
| 07:42.43 | Iriel | I knew that the logs were being captured, I sort of expected them to be robots.txt protected I guess |
| 07:43.00 | Tem | oh wow, at my parent's house and everything |
| 07:43.46 | Iriel | Back in the 1.9 thread I posted: Any plans to fix the Unit Dropdown menus to account for the increased Inspect range? The Inspect menu option is still greying out using the old range check. and slouken replied: I think actually that's the correct range. That you can inspect from a longer range is simply a bug that we haven't gotten around to fixing. |
| 07:44.19 | Tem | d'oh |
| 07:44.25 | Corrodias | who KNOWS what advances have been made in, say, Wardrobe (the many, many versions) in the time that i've been gone? |
| 07:44.36 | Tem | people are going to whime a lot |
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| 07:44.43 | Iriel | You dont need the 'going to' |
| 07:44.55 | Corrodias | people are whime |
| 07:44.58 | Iriel | That change went live today, the whining began this morning |
| 07:45.01 | Tem | whining* |
| 07:45.02 | MoonWolf | on the blizzard forums people alway' s wine. |
| 07:45.12 | Tem | Corrodias, check out ItemRack |
| 07:45.16 | Corrodias | the blizzard forums are a madhouse of flaming and whining |
| 07:45.23 | MoonWolf | i swear every class could get an equal buff and people would STILL whine. |
| 07:45.27 | Tem | it's gello's shiny spin off of wardrobe |
| 07:45.54 | Iriel | My favorite overreaction is " worst. change. ever. " |
| 07:46.02 | Tem | haha |
| 07:46.06 | Corrodias | when i first started playing, i couldn't believe the nonsense they allowed on the forums. now, though, having spent more time on 4chan, i think i understand. |
| 07:46.22 | Corrodias | itemrack, thanks |
| 07:46.24 | MoonWolf | *totally redid all the code in the client, WoW should run twice as good on all machines now* And then they complain how it only affects hardcore players. |
| 07:46.26 | Tem | The change is at worst, annoying to me |
| 07:46.27 | MoonWolf | or something. |
| 07:46.48 | Tem | s/s a/s, a/ |
| 07:47.11 | Iriel | Anyway, sleep for real. |
| 07:47.21 | Tem | but I hope that the addon I'm using that shows a PlayerModel for the inspected unit is doing something wrong |
| 07:47.49 | Tem | because of PlayerModels don't get the proper gear put on them when they are out of range, that's *really* going to piss people off |
| 07:47.55 | Tem | s/of/if/ |
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| 07:50.56 | Elkano | question to slouken: what will happen to item links sent via the new addon api? (I'm not US so I can't ask :/ ) |
| 07:52.32 | MoonWolf | seeing as how the channel won' t be affected by drunkness, i don' t think the game does any parsing on the message, so I think that the link is still going to be a link at the other end. |
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| 08:02.29 | AnduinLothar | it'll be hidden tho so not really a 'link' |
| 08:04.01 | Corrodias | i wonder if i should filp a coin... |
| 08:04.06 | Corrodias | FLIP! OMG. |
| 08:06.16 | Corrodias | i remember that the main activities in WoW around my characters' levels were: running around, very slowly, to get somewhere; flying and staring at the screen, doing nothing, to get to somewhere; killing hundreds of a certain mob for either grinding or some lame quest; running instances. over and over. somehow, it -was- entertaining, for a while. |
| 08:06.57 | Corrodias | the damn auction house... it's extremely difficult to collect useful data when you can't see the price that something -sold- for, and if it even did. |
| 08:07.25 | wereHamster | it's still the same, but I find the high-level instances interesting.. nicely designed encounters.. |
| 08:07.29 | Corrodias | not like EVE Online. the market system is like... sex and pudding compared to that. :( |
| 08:08.21 | Corrodias | uldaman was the first instance i actually enjoyed, and even then only for the final boss |
| 08:09.34 | Shadowed | ... |
| 08:09.44 | Shadowed | uldaman and enjoyed shouldn't be in the same sentance |
| 08:09.54 | Shadowed | it's like gnomer, except worst! |
| 08:10.25 | Corrodias | they belong together more than, say "wailing caverns" and "want to kill myself" belong -not- together |
| 08:10.40 | Shadowed | WC wasn't that bad compared to uldaman |
| 08:10.46 | MoonWolf | uldaman is a great instance |
| 08:10.51 | MoonWolf | because of all th estory |
| 08:10.58 | Corrodias | WC makes me want to rip my face off just so i can go to the hospital and stop playing it |
| 08:11.17 | Corrodias | but maybe that's because i've had several unpleasant runs in there with mediocre groups |
| 08:16.47 | Elkano | well, the main question wrt the link stuff is: if it comes through to the other side, will the server have validated it? |
| 08:17.15 | Shadowed | haha |
| 08:17.16 | Corrodias | hey, that reminds me. did they ever stop you from sending fake-named links? |
| 08:17.17 | Shadowed | "Actually, we're implementing some code in patch 1.13 which will hopefully address stupidity. We anticipate that players will feel a numbing in their fingers and toes, and also expect a noticeable decrease to posting volume." |
| 08:19.12 | MoonWolf | Corrodias, yeah. |
| 08:26.18 | Corrodias | u can't edit the framexml any more, can you? |
| 08:26.26 | Corrodias | ack. *you |
| 08:28.40 | MoonWolf | not for a loong time corr |
| 08:29.39 | Corrodias | i've been ignoring WoW for six months. i don't remember if that change was made in 1.9 or planned for 1.10 |
| 08:39.33 | Corrodias | no... no, i'll play Vagrant Story. |
| 08:40.05 | Corrodias | now, i need a -good- way to connect a psx/ps2 controller to my computer. an n64 one won't cut it. |
| 08:46.27 | Corrodias | the pressure sensitive buttons will probably be lost in the conversion... i doubt the emulator i use supports them, anyway. |
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| 09:01.38 | AnduinLothar | why oh why did blizzard make nil's not save... |
| 09:02.44 | krka | why shouldn't they? |
| 09:03.30 | AnduinLothar | they don't save anymore, they used to |
| 09:04.37 | AnduinLothar | now i have to use true and false instead of true and nil |
| 09:04.50 | chuckg | Wow oh why did blizzard start paid transfers? |
| 09:04.59 | chuckg | My guild is moving, bye bye $75. |
| 09:05.11 | AnduinLothar | doh |
| 09:05.17 | AnduinLothar | that sux |
| 09:06.39 | chuckg | My server is unplayable 10 hours out of every 24. |
| 09:06.42 | chuckg | Want to guess which hours? |
| 09:07.38 | zenzelezz | raid hours |
| 09:07.43 | Kalroth | from 2am to 10pm!! |
| 09:07.54 | Kalroth | that makes the most sense for server being unplayable |
| 09:08.23 | chuckg | It's pretty stupid. |
| 09:08.29 | krka | when does blizzard save nils? i have never seen that |
| 09:08.36 | krka | nil means that the key doesn't exist |
| 09:08.41 | chuckg | So instead of blizzard fixing our server, offering free transfers, or account wide transfers.. |
| 09:09.02 | chuckg | We're stuck trying to figorue how to move 50k gold in guild bank money, whatever materials we have, +50 raiders and all their baggage to another server. |
| 09:09.06 | AnduinLothar | until 1.11 they saved nils |
| 09:09.13 | chuckg | Grats on $2000+ dollars for providing shit service. |
| 09:09.34 | AnduinLothar | so that a nil saved var would overwrite the value if it were defined by default |
| 09:09.54 | krka | that doesn't make sense AnduinLothar, there is no way to differentiate a key with a nil value from a non-existing key |
| 09:09.56 | wereHamster | .. still no US raids on my raid progress website ( http://dbservice.com:58026/ ) :-/ |
| 09:10.18 | AnduinLothar | ... |
| 09:10.22 | Kalroth | wereHamster: oi, with those colours, no wonder :P |
| 09:10.58 | AnduinLothar | if i set var = 1; onload. set it to nil, log out. on the next var loaded it used to still be nil |
| 09:11.51 | AnduinLothar | but now in 1.11+ nils are no longer saved so that if you set a variable onload and it does have a value in the saved vars it's still the onload value |
| 09:12.15 | AnduinLothar | doesn't* have a value in the saved vars |
| 09:13.56 | Corrodias | well.. that should be okay |
| 09:14.02 | Corrodias | because it'll be loading that value again next time anyway |
| 09:14.20 | AnduinLothar | ... you're not understanding |
| 09:15.04 | wereHamster | Why would you want to save 'nil' ? |
| 09:15.13 | Corrodias | are you saying that, if you change the value to nil during runtime, it will not save the nil, so that upon the next load it will use the onload value instead? |
| 09:15.25 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 09:15.40 | Corrodias | oh. that's actually something i'd consider a bug. :o |
| 09:16.05 | AnduinLothar | i dont care if it's a bug or not.. i care that they changed it without tellign anyone |
| 09:17.15 | Kalroth | maybe they don't know it was changed |
| 09:17.26 | wereHamster | did anyone else notice this: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-en&t=49765&p=1&tmp=1#post49765 ? |
| 09:17.28 | Corrodias | 1) it's a terrible, terrible change, and 2) it's stupid to not tell anyone. so yeah, 3) it -could- be accidental |
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| 09:53.46 | s|loup | looks like there are no problems with looting |
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| 10:22.36 | zenzelezz | interesting... the Dressing Room seems to forget my equipped armor, except for cloak and shoulders |
| 10:24.52 | Mikma | seems like i can't dress items in dressingroom that i can't wear |
| 10:24.53 | Kaso | I remeber someone saying if you use dressing room in a shapeshift form it randomy trys to paste the item onto the cat/bear or whatever |
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| 10:27.03 | zenzelezz | lol |
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| 10:34.07 | Kaso | Wow dressing room is fucked up |
| 10:34.58 | zenzelezz | wonder what they did that messed with it |
| 10:37.30 | Kaso | it seems to work fine now ive changed my armor around |
| 10:38.24 | zenzelezz | hm, you're right |
| 10:38.33 | zenzelezz | could be a cache thing then |
| 10:43.05 | Kaso | Any idea why my class colour function is working for everything but druids : http://pastebin.ca/85966 |
| 10:47.43 | Mikma | Kaso: druids are fooked up, that's why? |
| 10:47.50 | Kaso | ha |
| 10:53.25 | zenzelezz | probably "drood" |
| 10:55.45 | Kaso | ah wait i know what the problem is |
| 10:55.59 | Kaso | it should be 0A but its just giving A |
| 10:57.34 | Corrodias | droods are teh healbot. GET BACK TO HEALING, HEALBOT! ;) |
| 10:59.05 | Elkano^wtf | try %2x ? |
| 10:59.42 | Kalroth | agreed, they should just remove the felol and oomkin talents from druids, give them something more useful like more healing or better mana regen! |
| 10:59.59 | Kaso | Elkano^wtf : works thanks |
| 11:00.46 | Elkano^wtf | or would it be %02x? |
| 11:01.15 | Kaso | %2x works so thats good enough for me |
| 11:05.15 | krka | kaso, why all that complicated coloring? is it because you want it to be customizable in game? |
| 11:06.07 | Kaso | I just thought it'd be more "correct" to use the game's in-built colouring over a table. |
| 11:07.29 | krka | i suppose so |
| 11:07.50 | krka | you could replace all that with just one string.format btw |
| 11:08.06 | krka | http://pastebin.ca/85975 |
| 11:08.18 | Kaso | sweet |
| 11:08.43 | krka | should be slightly faster |
| 11:08.48 | Kaso | ive never really had to use string format before |
| 11:13.44 | krka | hm, long time since i killed my computer, almost time to reboot with new kernel i think |
| 11:27.13 | Industrial | Anyone play mage? whats a good build to level with |
| 11:27.58 | krka | frost or fire, i guess |
| 11:28.07 | krka | some of the arcane talents are good too |
| 11:28.13 | krka | like... evocation |
| 11:28.15 | Kalroth | I like fire |
| 11:28.19 | krka | no wait, that's a buyable spell now? |
| 11:28.20 | Kalroth | evocation is free now, krka :) |
| 11:28.26 | krka | too long since i played :/ |
| 11:28.37 | Kalroth | evocation and improved arcane explosion are non-talents now |
| 11:28.41 | krka | frost is more fun, imo |
| 11:28.59 | Kalroth | frost is slower damage, but you can more easily kite stuff |
| 11:29.33 | krka | much more fun :) |
| 11:32.39 | Kaso | Has there been any offical responce to "You are now saved to this instance"? |
| 11:33.37 | zenzelezz | I think they said something about it... can't entirely remember what/where |
| 11:34.09 | zenzelezz | think they said it was intentional that you got saved, but not that much; or that getting the message twice was a bug, but I could be mistaken - didn't read it very carefully |
| 11:34.20 | Kaso | See being on EU we never get any announcements like that :< |
| 11:36.11 | Elkano^wtf | AnduinLothar, there are more problems with communication via whispers than one might think of :/ |
| 11:40.18 | zenzelezz | " ALL YOUR BASE are now saved to this instance." |
| 11:44.15 | Corrodias | damn. i was hoping to save one of those base for another. |
| 11:58.29 | Kaso | wait, what the hell is eyonix saying in this thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9024519 |
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| 12:03.25 | zenzelezz | "STFU NOOB" |
| 12:04.27 | Kaso | for some reason i almost see that as him saying theyve gonna stop level1 alts. |
| 12:06.59 | Corrodias | Vendesa posts, "But i dont want another mod, i want an offcial WOW, ui. Mods like ctmod tend to lag raiding down sometimes, adding more will just add to the lagfest." |
| 12:07.30 | Corrodias | UI modding is at least half of the game. i can't imagine what this person plays for. |
| 12:07.35 | Kaso | ah, well informed opinions. |
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| 12:08.03 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 12:08.19 | JoshBorke | let me just say i never saw us getting a hidden chat channel, but that's pretty cool :D |
| 12:08.33 | Corrodias | it's... not a hidden channel... |
| 12:09.24 | Corrodias | it's more hidden messages on existing channels |
| 12:11.06 | Corrodias | Yashe posts, in response to the OP, who recommends that people not whine about those "AH scams" any more, "What your doing is against the terms of use. Is considered harrassment because your trying to trick a player into doing something they don't want to (like spending gold) and yes you can be banned because of it. I usually report this issue to GMs when I see it. " |
| 12:13.14 | Corrodias | Mihli posts, in response to the blue post, "Wow you're such a rebel, so cool, can I touch you? |
| 12:13.14 | Corrodias | For god's sakes doesn't it bother anyone that someone gets paid to insult thier customers? Ok, you get to deal with a level of stupidity higher than average on a daily basis, but YOU GET PAID FOR IT. IT'S YOUR JOB. If idiots cause you stress and anger enough to not only insult them, but lower yourself to thier level, find another job! " |
| 12:13.42 | Corrodias | apparently failing to realize that, if the moderators actually felt like doing "their jobs", most of the accounts who post on those forums would be banned from them already. |
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| 12:25.09 | s|loup | hidden channel, hidden messages its never mind because the problem is present as before, you producing traffic with sending your messages and traffic lowers the latency |
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| 12:43.12 | Corrodias | lowers? you mean increases, surely |
| 12:43.48 | End-sleep | and you'll probably get booted for exceeding the builtin transfer limit |
| 12:43.58 | End | still get booted I mean |
| 12:46.19 | End | (that's definitely something to test though) |
| 12:46.33 | End | (see if AddOns still need to do their own buffering/throttling) |
| 12:47.40 | s|loup | yes increases sry misdirect |
| 12:49.15 | s|loup | also you have a new problem with the new hidden system: all addons will use it so you must check if the message you received is for your addon or not |
| 12:49.18 | Wobin | Anyone authorised to edit the front page of WowWiki? |
| 12:49.43 | Mikma | Wobin: make an account |
| 12:49.58 | Mikma | oh front page, sorry |
| 12:50.02 | Wobin | Mikma: I have, but we're talking about the MainPage =) |
| 12:50.17 | Wobin | s|loup: Hopefully we can convince Slouken to add more details to the args =\ |
| 12:50.27 | Wobin | Maybe we should get Tekkub to ask =) |
| 12:51.47 | s|loup | hm this will be hard when just using SendChatMessage() without any params for identify the transmitter |
| 12:52.17 | Wobin | woo |
| 12:52.27 | Wobin | I'm loving the little navbar on the coding pages on Wowwiki |
| 12:52.30 | s|loup | i dont think that the client should dissolve the addon that is producing the message |
| 12:52.35 | Wobin | the one with links to the API/Events pages |
| 12:52.39 | JoshBorke | i think there have been good recommendations about determining what addon message it is, but no matter what, the processing is going to be placed somewhere |
| 12:52.45 | Wobin | s|loup: Dissolve? |
| 12:52.54 | s|loup | resolve |
| 12:52.54 | s|loup | ^^ |
| 12:53.28 | Mikma | does anyone know how to resize the SetClampedToScreen limits? |
| 13:05.40 | s|loup | for the prefix: you can create a agreement that every addon should use the first 16 bytes in the message for the identifier and cut these 16bytes from the message to check it so you should shorten the used time to check the addon which sends instead of using string.sub or string.find ? |
| 13:07.59 | End | I think 16 bytes is more than you need |
| 13:08.08 | End | but I think it's a good idea |
| 13:09.47 | s|loup | i dont know anyone in this thread has bring up the 16 bytes |
| 13:15.05 | Wobin | hrm |
| 13:15.23 | Wobin | There's no way, given a name, that one can easily figure out if it's coming from a raidleader/assistant, is there? |
| 13:15.33 | Wobin | Without a lot of random targetting |
| 13:15.43 | End | if what is? |
| 13:15.48 | Wobin | or keeping a roster list |
| 13:15.51 | End | raid chatter? |
| 13:15.52 | Wobin | A name |
| 13:15.56 | End | oh a name |
| 13:17.31 | End | anyways, yeah you'd probably have to figure out which raid unit they are |
| 13:18.24 | Wobin | at the moment, I'm trying to figure out, given a whisper, if the whisperer is the raid leader, and it matches my addon output |
| 13:18.34 | Wobin | So I can either, first check if the name is the raidleader |
| 13:18.41 | Wobin | and then if the message is in the right format |
| 13:18.45 | Wobin | or the other way around |
| 13:18.56 | Wobin | Seems more efficient the former method |
| 13:19.04 | Wobin | (if I can easily get a match...) |
| 13:19.27 | Wobin | I think I'll try getting the raidleader/assistants names stored |
| 13:19.33 | Wobin | Then do a straight compare with UnitName |
| 13:19.33 | End | easiest way is for loop 1,40 and use GetRaidRosterInfo() |
| 13:19.42 | Wobin | er |
| 13:19.47 | Wobin | with the name |
| 13:20.01 | [Ammo] | Wobin: check out how oRA does it :) |
| 13:20.08 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:20.13 | Wobin | which module? =) |
| 13:20.18 | [Ammo] | or even better oRA2 (which is alpha and unstable) |
| 13:20.21 | [Ammo] | check out the oRA2/Core.lua |
| 13:20.35 | [Ammo] | and the IsValidRequest() method |
| 13:20.42 | [Ammo] | as well as the UpdateRoster() |
| 13:20.50 | [Ammo] | that should answer your questions |
| 13:20.53 | End | for h = 1,40 do name,rank = GetRaidRosterInfo(h) if(name == theirname and rank == 2) return true; end end return false |
| 13:21.00 | [Ammo] | yeah End basically that |
| 13:21.09 | [Ammo] | but you might want to use a small cache for it |
| 13:21.18 | End | yeah |
| 13:21.21 | [Ammo] | as going throuh 40 people every message is a bit of a pain |
| 13:21.32 | End | I'm giving the quick and easy way to figure it out :P |
| 13:21.43 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:21.51 | Wobin | It'd have to be on the UPDATE_ROSTER event |
| 13:22.06 | Wobin | to go through and grab all the names of the leader/assistants |
| 13:22.25 | [Ammo] | just delay your update of the roster a bit at UPDATE_ROSTER |
| 13:22.28 | [Ammo] | since it can fire a lot |
| 13:22.48 | Wobin | how often? |
| 13:23.14 | [Ammo] | I think in oRA we update a few seconds afeter UPDATE_ROSTER |
| 13:23.16 | [Ammo] | let me check |
| 13:23.32 | Wobin | 7 seconds |
| 13:23.35 | [Ammo] | self:RegisterEvent("RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE", function() self:ScheduleEvent(self.UpdateRoster, 7, self) end) |
| 13:24.07 | Wobin | I should make PaintBall Ace2 |
| 13:24.17 | Wobin | Just for the event handling =P |
| 13:24.47 | [Ammo] | I still need to change the RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE to first check if an update is already scheduled and reschedule it |
| 13:24.55 | [Ammo] | but that's oRA2 stuff |
| 13:25.09 | Wobin | reschedule it to 7 seconds later, again? |
| 13:25.14 | Wobin | or just ignore it |
| 13:25.18 | [Ammo] | ignore it |
| 13:25.49 | [Ammo] | make paintball as simple as it was at the start again wobin |
| 13:26.02 | [Ammo] | it's complicated and quite useless / non-informative / weird atm |
| 13:26.05 | Wobin | It -is- simple =P |
| 13:26.08 | Wobin | Just don't use them |
| 13:26.08 | [Ammo] | no its not |
| 13:26.20 | [Ammo] | I can't click on it, swipe and click to stop selecting |
| 13:26.20 | Wobin | All the functionality is toggleable |
| 13:26.44 | [Ammo] | but I have to select weird icons, the fumenu icon doesn't change on the mode, it's weird |
| 13:26.47 | [Ammo] | it used to be perfect :) |
| 13:26.55 | [Ammo] | now it's all complicated and too much |
| 13:27.02 | Wobin | This was developed for my Raidgroup anyway, so the extras were at their requeist |
| 13:27.07 | [Ammo] | ah |
| 13:27.12 | Wobin | but it should work like that out of the box |
| 13:27.22 | [Ammo] | it didn't for me |
| 13:27.26 | Wobin | hum |
| 13:27.28 | [Ammo] | could be saved vars that had silly defaults |
| 13:27.37 | [Ammo] | I had to righclick select some mode or something before it would do anything |
| 13:27.47 | [Ammo] | and then it would not do what I expected |
| 13:28.08 | Wobin | You could have possibly been in autotarget mode |
| 13:28.17 | [Ammo] | hmm could be |
| 13:28.21 | [Ammo] | it wouldn't mark any targets |
| 13:28.25 | Wobin | which overrides all other modes |
| 13:28.41 | Wobin | since it's designed to run while in battle (and you don't want yourself accidentally repainting mobs mid battle) |
| 13:30.23 | [Ammo] | guess I expect something too simple :) |
| 13:30.27 | [Ammo] | click, swipe to mark, click off |
| 13:30.36 | [Ammo] | click, ctrl-swipe to unmark, click off |
| 13:30.41 | [Ammo] | that's all I want/need :) |
| 13:34.56 | Wobin | That's the basic stuff =P |
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| 13:44.24 | Kaso | Elkano^wtf: the argent guy isnt giving mark of the dawn anymore, and apparently we've won 0 battles against the scourge even though my sever was at like 130. |
| 13:44.40 | Kaso | ( that wasnt meant for Elkano^wtf, that was a mistake) |
| 13:44.43 | Tain | Do macros still have a 255 char limit (without any extra addon help). |
| 13:44.44 | zenzelezz | you're too slow, start over! |
| 13:44.47 | Elkano^wtf | just wondered ^^ |
| 13:49.49 | s|loup | yes tain |
| 13:51.54 | Tain | Before I go looking does anyone have/know offhand addons or a macro to do a one click eat if needed and/or drink if needed? |
| 13:52.12 | Kaso | yeh ive got one i think |
| 13:52.42 | Hexarobi | ya i was thinkin of writing one that auto drinks or eats if under say 90%, anytime u sit |
| 13:53.21 | Kaso | Well, not quite, ive got one that'll find conjured food and water in your bag and use em both there wasnt enough space to put make it smarter cos the searching for the food in bags took up alot of chars |
| 13:53.50 | Hexarobi | ya im just talking conjured stuff, im a mage |
| 13:54.07 | Kaso | I appear to have lost that macro :< |
| 13:54.31 | Tain | Yeah Kaso I'm helping someone out who is using a "UseBest" addon to do some of that logic at least. |
| 13:55.18 | Kaso | ah, yeh, i mean it would be a fairly easy script, its just fitting it into that damn char limit without and non-default functions thats the problem |
| 14:08.47 | Hexarobi | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-1665-1-marseatninfokeys.html |
| 14:11.13 | Hexarobi | whats the simplest way to execute a macro everytime a sit, can it be done without a plugin? |
| 14:12.41 | Kaso | are we still allowed to hook SitOrStand() ? |
| 14:13.13 | Kaso | if so hook that |
| 14:14.47 | Hexarobi | im pretty new to wow addons |
| 14:17.19 | Corrodias | NOOB |
| 14:17.20 | Hexarobi | can i just make a myplugin_SitOrStand() function, or do i need to hook it onLoad? |
| 14:17.26 | Corrodias | PANTS THE NOOB |
| 14:19.28 | Kaso | When your addon loads you need to do MyAddon_SitOrStand_Old = SitOrStand SitOrStand=MyAddon_SitOrStand function MyAddon_SitOrStand() MyAddon_SitOrStand_old() DoStuff() end |
| 14:20.01 | Hexarobi | ahhh ok |
| 14:20.07 | Hexarobi | thx |
| 14:20.21 | Kaso | that'd proberly make more sense if it was on three lines |
| 14:20.59 | Kaso | But as i say im not sure it that was disabled along with the movement function hooking |
| 14:22.20 | Hexarobi | do i need ()'s after SitOrStand or are those left off? |
| 14:26.11 | Kaso | left off |
| 14:27.06 | Kaso | http://pastebin.ca/86063 <-- it more prettily |
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| 14:34.30 | Hexarobi | is an xml file required? to send a loaded msg to chat at least? |
| 14:36.14 | Kaso | no you can make an addon entirely in lua |
| 14:36.26 | Kaso | if you want to register events then do |
| 14:36.47 | Kaso | MyFrame = CreateFrame("Frame","MyFrame",UIParent") |
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| 14:37.23 | Kaso | then you can use MyFrame:SetScript("OnEoad",function) then register whatever evnet you want |
| 14:38.02 | Kaso | Eoad = Event |
| 14:38.07 | Kaso | i suck at typing |
| 14:38.54 | End | I'd say! ;p |
| 14:39.13 | End | I thought you were trying to say OnLoad at first, which wouldn't make much sense there |
| 14:40.04 | Kaso | I orginally typed load then though wait a minute, thats pointless, so tryed to change it to event and failed |
| 14:40.34 | End | hehe |
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| 14:41.47 | Industrial | I'm saving and loading frame positions. The frames are not appearing at the positions they are saved at when I reload the interface. I'm using 'x=Frame:GetLeft() * Frame:GetEffectiveScale()' |
| 14:44.17 | End | are you making frame positions global or something? or will just doing :SetUserPlace(true) work to have WoW save it for you? |
| 14:44.36 | End | er |
| 14:44.40 | End | :SetUserPlaced |
| 14:45.22 | Industrial | they are my unitframes |
| 14:45.32 | Industrial | What im doing is saving the x and y and setpoint'ing them on load |
| 14:45.56 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.59 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.07 | End | doesn't using :StartMoving() implictly :SetUserPlaced(true)? |
| 14:47.27 | End | (ok, I worded that badly, but I think you know what I meant) |
| 14:47.34 | Industrial | yeah |
| 14:47.40 | Industrial | this is what i do before that |
| 14:47.43 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.43 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.43 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.03 | Industrial | lemme lookup SetUserPlaced :P |
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| 14:48.41 | End | I'm pretty sure you shouldn't have to be doing your own position saving. |
| 14:48.49 | Industrial | uh, cool |
| 14:48.58 | Ktron|work | Hey everyone-- you know what sucks? Sharing a small cube and not even having a computer in it |
| 14:49.13 | End | I've made draggable frames before, and they always remembered where I put them |
| 14:49.18 | Industrial | k |
| 14:49.23 | Industrial | lemme try :) |
| 14:49.24 | Valgrind | Umm. You can work without a computer? |
| 14:49.26 | End | brb |
| 14:49.26 | Hexarobi | whoot it does work |
| 14:49.46 | Hexarobi | now i just need to figure out how to tell if it was a sit or a stand |
| 14:49.49 | Industrial | Ktron|work: you can be on irc with just your mind? |
| 14:49.51 | Industrial | wtb that |
| 14:51.54 | Kaso | Hexarobi: that'll be hard. |
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| 14:54.19 | Industrial | End: Hmm how do I have a default then? They are not on screen now ;) |
| 14:54.31 | Industrial | End: If i setpoint them i think ill override the setuserplaced thing... |
| 14:55.40 | Industrial | yesh, confirmed |
| 14:55.56 | End | yeah |
| 14:56.00 | End | hmm |
| 14:56.43 | End | is your frame created completely outside of xml? |
| 14:56.43 | Industrial | yes |
| 14:56.43 | End | ahhh |
| 14:56.46 | Industrial | Its also dynamic |
| 14:56.55 | End | I have a theory |
| 14:56.58 | Industrial | I have a functiopn newFrame with wich i create .. all the frames |
| 14:58.15 | End | my theory is that when it creates a frame, it sets points specified in xml and then overrides them with user placement right away... |
| 14:58.39 | End | now, when you create a theory dynamically, it'll apply user...wait a sec |
| 14:58.50 | Industrial | but i dont specify points ;) |
| 14:58.55 | End | it's not showing it at all until you specify points? |
| 14:59.22 | Industrial | yes |
| 14:59.35 | End | well, it looks like you -will- have to save by hand |
| 14:59.39 | Industrial | :D |
| 14:59.55 | End | :SetUserPlaced is pretty useless on runtime created frames |
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| 15:00.33 | Cide | hey there |
| 15:01.14 | s|loup | hi |
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| 15:04.43 | esp|Syn | hi peeps |
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| 15:06.22 | esp|Syn | gah |
| 15:06.31 | esp|Syn | does this patch mean i have to update all my mods again.. |
| 15:06.51 | Mikma | esp|Syn: no |
| 15:07.12 | Kaso | Unless you use Goodinspect/Superinspect :> |
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| 15:07.30 | esp|Syn | but wont the interface number change? |
| 15:07.32 | Mikma | well... is there a fix for them already / is that fixable at all? |
| 15:07.36 | Mikma | esp|Syn: no |
| 15:07.45 | wereHamster | End, why do you think that of SetUserPlaced? |
| 15:08.15 | esp|Syn | Mikma from what i read there is a small fix now because they left one part unchanged |
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| 15:08.24 | End | wereHamster: because Industrial can't get it to work |
| 15:08.28 | esp|Syn | but in the next patch. they wont work atall |
| 15:08.38 | End | oh wait |
| 15:08.48 | End | he couldn't have placed it in the first place |
| 15:08.52 | wereHamster | It works here just fine.. |
| 15:09.20 | Industrial | macro: /slap /say I'm Rick James bitch! biiaaattch!! |
| 15:09.21 | End | yeah, I just realized, it couldn't have saved it yet |
| 15:09.26 | Industrial | randomly doing that is fun |
| 15:09.27 | Industrial | :P |
| 15:09.57 | End | wereHamster, how do you check whether user placed position has been applied so you know whether to apply default positioning or not? |
| 15:10.01 | Mikma | Industrial: cool macro |
| 15:10.28 | Mikma | Industrial: or, /say what did five fingers say to the face? /slap /y SLAP! |
| 15:10.41 | End | (would checking :GetNumPoints() do the trick?) |
| 15:11.14 | End | (does that sort of positioning uses points?) |
| 15:11.50 | End | (or wait, maybe :GetTop() is nil or not?) |
| 15:12.29 | Industrial | Mikma: whehe |
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| 15:18.22 | Satrina | hallo |
| 15:19.59 | Tain | Hi Satrina |
| 15:21.48 | Hexarobi | so theres no isSitting check? |
| 15:23.45 | Tarog | I wish there was :( |
| 15:24.13 | Tain | mmm maybe check for something that you're not allowed to do while sitting? |
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| 15:28.03 | Hexarobi | what about just trapping the X key? |
| 15:28.14 | Hexarobi | can i hook into a KeyDown event? |
| 15:28.29 | Satrina | what if I've remapped sit to something else? |
| 15:28.55 | Hexarobi | for now, getting it to work on X would be good enough for me to use it ;) |
| 15:29.06 | End | are you sure SitOrStand() is protected? |
| 15:29.12 | Hexarobi | sitorstand works |
| 15:29.16 | Hexarobi | but it just fires on sit or stand |
| 15:29.23 | Hexarobi | i cant tell if i just stood or sat |
| 15:29.27 | End | right, you could run forward |
| 15:29.34 | End | and that would stop you from sitting |
| 15:29.34 | Hexarobi | that will autostand me |
| 15:29.39 | End | ok |
| 15:29.43 | Hexarobi | i want to trigger a macro, onSit |
| 15:30.35 | Hexarobi | can i do onsitorstand, try to do something i cant do while sititng, see if it worked |
| 15:30.59 | Hexarobi | attacking wont work if something isnt targeted |
| 15:31.51 | Hexarobi | GRRRRRRR |
| 15:32.09 | Hexarobi | i was testing hearthstone |
| 15:32.19 | Hexarobi | and a new addon i just installed prevented me from canceling the cast |
| 15:32.26 | Hexarobi | then froze up when i tried to disable it |
| 15:32.30 | Valgrind | Heh |
| 15:32.31 | Hexarobi | so i just accidently hearthed |
| 15:33.01 | Hexarobi | and now i wont be able to test it for an hou |
| 15:33.15 | Hexarobi | and ive gotta port, fly and run back to where i was |
| 15:33.18 | Hexarobi | effing grrrrr |
| 15:33.52 | Valgrind | Might not be the best way to test generally either. People have a tendency to throw away the heartstone when they are out of space. |
| 15:33.54 | zenzelezz | prevented your from cancelling? |
| 15:34.05 | zenzelezz | should've just jumped or moved |
| 15:36.42 | Hexarobi | i was trying to move or jumo |
| 15:36.59 | Hexarobi | it was the blizzard ui blocking movement because the plugin was trying to trap it |
| 15:37.07 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 15:37.16 | zenzelezz | didn't think addons could affect movement |
| 15:37.26 | zenzelezz | or was that just performing them? |
| 15:37.27 | End | they can but only negatively ;p |
| 15:37.29 | Hexarobi | i dunno, its automagebuff |
| 15:37.36 | Hexarobi | i think it checks status on movement? |
| 15:38.07 | Tarog | o.O I'd never throw away my hearth |
| 15:38.35 | Hexarobi | i had to disable it to move |
| 15:38.54 | Hexarobi | but ya hes right, mages might destroy thier hearth |
| 15:39.03 | Tarog | eh |
| 15:39.05 | Tarog | mages yeah |
| 15:39.24 | Hexarobi | heh and guess what |
| 15:39.28 | Hexarobi | u can hearth sitting down ;) |
| 15:39.44 | Tarog | yep |
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| 15:40.54 | Hexarobi | what about casting a spell |
| 15:41.18 | Hexarobi | \ |
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| 15:43.09 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 15:50.17 | Satrina | Iriel, you ruined all my fun with that common sense post =( |
| 15:50.29 | Iriel | The comm channel one? |
| 15:50.33 | Satrina | yes! |
| 15:50.55 | Iriel | Sorry, it was getting way out of control. |
| 15:50.55 | Satrina | I know, I was helping |
| 15:51.55 | Beladona | when did 1.11.2 come out? (exact date) -- the patch file is missing the date =( |
| 15:52.00 | Satrina | You can feed some of those guys crazy ideas all day to keep them arguing |
| 15:52.36 | Industrial | Beladona: today for EU.. |
| 15:53.11 | Iriel | Yesterday in the US |
| 15:53.12 | Industrial | Beladona: hows your interface coming along? ;) |
| 15:53.20 | Iriel | I dont remember when the PTR hit |
| 15:53.23 | Iriel | if you need that |
| 15:53.27 | Industrial | Beladona: im finishing up my unitframes for 1.0 |
| 15:53.36 | Beladona | its almost done actually |
| 15:53.41 | Beladona | well the status bars thing anyway |
| 15:54.01 | Beladona | the PTR was on the 6th I believe |
| 15:54.06 | Beladona | but I missed it |
| 15:56.12 | Beladona | Iriel: do you happen to have the PTR files? |
| 15:57.10 | Beladona | changes are up for 1.11.2, but I don't have the PTR that was in between, oh well |
| 15:59.46 | Beladona | lunch metting! be back shortly! |
| 16:03.56 | Elkano | I just wonder if I by luck didn't take over Blizzard's bug with colored debuffs :) |
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| 16:12.18 | Kaelten | hows it going guys |
| 16:13.28 | Elkano | fine so far :) |
| 16:13.37 | Elkano | slouken safed our days :) |
| 16:16.16 | Kaelten | talking about the addon message? |
| 16:17.56 | Elkano | yes |
| 16:18.46 | Kaelten | lol |
| 16:18.56 | Kaelten | ya its going to be neat |
| 16:18.59 | Elkano | though I still hope for such a feature for whispers, too. It's a pain to block afk/dnd/... messages and sometimes I'm even getting errors, maybe because the other user has gone ofline :/ |
| 16:19.08 | Kaelten | although I'd like to see the prefix and global lines |
| 16:19.26 | Kaelten | ya whispers would be cool |
| 16:19.39 | Elkano | if I wouldn't have to pay another account, I would have already created one in US just to thank slouken (and discuss in the forums) |
| 16:19.39 | Kaelten | who knows what we'll see now, this could get interesting |
| 16:19.42 | JoshBorke | why do we need the prefix? why can't we do it ourselves? |
| 16:19.57 | Satrina | We don't need it |
| 16:20.01 | Kaelten | well we don't Need it, but it'd be handy |
| 16:20.29 | Elkano | well, a good implemeted prefix method by Blizzard would prevent some conflicts that could arise but it's not a must |
| 16:21.03 | Kaelten | some way just to signify which addon the events are generated from without having to do pattern checking would be nice |
| 16:21.24 | Kaelten | especially in a global channel(if we ever get one) where you could conceivably have 100s of addons listening |
| 16:21.33 | Kaelten | and sending |
| 16:21.49 | JoshBorke | isn't that just putting the burden somewhere else though? |
| 16:22.38 | JoshBorke | rather than doing the processing in lua, wow is now doing it during event generation |
| 16:22.45 | Kaelten | I'd think that if arg3 =="myaddon" then is faster |
| 16:22.47 | JoshBorke | but i could be totally wrong, i'm a big noob |
| 16:23.19 | Kaelten | well if when you called the function it was ("channel", "mssage", "addonname") then it wouldn't be that bad |
| 16:23.40 | Elkano | thinks I want to ask slouken wrt the new addon comm: what will happen to links sent via this API? same as in custom channels (become text only)? same as in official channels (validation by server)? nothing at all (simpel pass through)? Will the API return sth (eg false if you aren't in a party/raid/guild)? And could we please get hidden whispers returning false if the other person is offline but dont have any further side effects? |
| 16:24.17 | Elkano | Kaelten, if addonname is filled in by the API it would since then eg oRA couldn't communicate with CTRA |
| 16:24.26 | Satrina | if the server did the namespacing it'd be faster for us. If it's not (and it doesn't look like slouken is going to give in on that one) then the processing time between something like string.byte and string.sub is effectively nothing |
| 16:24.46 | Kaelten | right now you'd have to do ("channel", "addonname" .. "message") |
| 16:24.48 | Satrina | sure it could, just watch for messages in the ctra namespace. They all go to the client |
| 16:24.53 | Kaelten | ya Satrina you're right its not that bad |
| 16:25.11 | Iriel | C++ namespacing would be no better than LUA namespacing with a shared embeddable lib |
| 16:25.37 | Cide | true Kaelten, but then we'd have to make two-way communication |
| 16:25.46 | Elkano | Satrina, you could listen, but not answer |
| 16:25.46 | Cide | Kaelten: so that CTRA picks up oRA's messages |
| 16:25.54 | Cide | what Elkano said |
| 16:25.58 | Iriel | Unless you're expecting some kind of filtered event registration. |
| 16:26.16 | Cide | user defined prefix/filter > hardcoded one |
| 16:26.21 | Kaelten | Cide: if oRA and CTRA use the same message syntax then you could both fire on the same 'namespace' |
| 16:26.27 | Satrina | How's that? There is nothing preventing me from doing sendmessage("RAID", "mymessage", "CTRA") |
| 16:26.41 | Iriel | AND, there are no hidden whispers. |
| 16:26.58 | Cide | right, but I was talking about "if addonname is filled in by the API" |
| 16:27.12 | Iriel | How would the API do that? |
| 16:27.22 | Cide | that's not for me to decide :) |
| 16:27.27 | Kaelten | oh, now I'm just talking about the ability to specify a 'namespace' to be passed in as the third argument on the event |
| 16:27.30 | Satrina | Iriel stole my words |
| 16:27.42 | Cide | though, it decides the addon for the tainted functions |
| 16:27.44 | Elkano | Iriel, the same way it decides that a specific addon called a restricted function |
| 16:27.44 | Iriel | Oh, so it's not automatically filled in, it's just syntactic sugar? |
| 16:28.01 | Iriel | Dont even begin to think about that as a good idea |
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| 16:28.13 | Iriel | Tainting and 'who sent this' are entirely different problems |
| 16:28.27 | Cide | not necessarily a good idea, no |
| 16:28.33 | Iriel | Tainting just needs to know the lowest 'security' addon in a call chain |
| 16:28.43 | Iriel | It cares not who the initiator is |
| 16:28.47 | Elkano | Iriel, I never thought so since that would make inter-addon communication impossible or at least oneway |
| 16:28.53 | Iriel | And we never, ever, want the API to decide that kind of thing for us |
| 16:29.07 | Cide | right |
| 16:29.20 | Cide | I don't think anyone thinks so, either |
| 16:29.27 | Kaelten | no |
| 16:29.38 | Kaelten | I don't either :) |
| 16:29.51 | JoshBorke | i have no idea what the issue is :X |
| 16:30.29 | Cide | don't think there is one regarding that |
| 16:31.49 | Satrina | The only real issue is people who think that ctra/ktm spamming the channel will slow them down significantly even if they aren't using those addons. I don't think these people realise just how many events get passed to their client that they never see |
| 16:32.21 | JoshBorke | well, i think it would be nice to have an optional prefix ala sendmessage("RAID", "mymessage", <prefix>) but that can be easily created/provided by a custom function or a simple embedded lib. |
| 16:32.32 | Kaelten | ya, the events firing shouldn't impact anything on those who don't register them I' |
| 16:32.33 | Kaelten | d think |
| 16:33.19 | [Ammo] | Cide: if you want to talk about streamlining oRA / CTRA communication |
| 16:33.22 | [Ammo] | I'm your guy :) |
| 16:33.24 | Cide | and even if an addon is listening to them, an addon-specific prefix and a "^prefix ..." pattern would be very fast |
| 16:33.33 | Cide | I don't know what I'd streamline |
| 16:33.46 | [Ammo] | well at least tell me your keywords in advance |
| 16:33.56 | [Ammo] | and maybe add some more flexibility to some of them |
| 16:33.58 | Cide | I don't know them yet, because I haven't finished coding :) |
| 16:34.04 | [Ammo] | that's why we need to talk :) |
| 16:34.22 | [Ammo] | haste is busy the next few months so I'm taking charge of oRA2 atm |
| 16:34.46 | Cide | I'm by no means even remotely rclose to thinking of something like that, though |
| 16:35.03 | [Ammo] | well we can work off the old comm messages |
| 16:35.16 | Cide | I will change them if necessary |
| 16:35.29 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252) |
| 16:35.49 | Cide | hi Tem |
| 16:35.51 | [Ammo] | hey tem |
| 16:35.58 | Kaelten | heya Tem |
| 16:36.55 | End | whoops! |
| 16:36.56 | End | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=details&vd=11125464&ct=lcompare&rid=7 |
| 16:37.22 | End | (the d! the d!) |
| 16:37.29 | Mikma | End: lol! |
| 16:37.36 | Mikma | how will that effect on the gameplay? |
| 16:37.38 | zenzelezz | saw a post about that that said it's still valid XML |
| 16:37.39 | Tem | morning guys |
| 16:37.51 | End | it probably is |
| 16:37.56 | End | I guess |
| 16:38.05 | End | hold on |
| 16:38.07 | End | I'll check :P |
| 16:38.56 | Cide | I must be tired |
| 16:39.10 | Cide | I wrote color.r, color.b, color.g without even thinking |
| 16:39.35 | [Ammo] | will cause funky results |
| 16:39.58 | Cide | needless to say, the colors were a bit weird |
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| 16:40.28 | End | zenzelezz: nope, doesn't validate |
| 16:40.39 | End | Element 'Anchor' cannot have character [children], because the type's content type is element-only. |
| 16:41.02 | zenzelezz | guess the poster was wrong then |
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| 16:41.11 | Elkano | anyone mind posting for me? http://ace.pastebin.ca/86163 |
| 16:41.34 | End | well, it's well formed xml |
| 16:41.54 | Abenadi | I have a function that targets the raid member in need of the most healing that is in range - which is more efficient, to find the one in need of the most healing, target them to check range, and then remove them and start over if OOR, or to target + check range as I scan the raid health values? |
| 16:41.59 | End | but it doesn't validate against the schema |
| 16:43.26 | Kaelten | Elkano: I'm going to paste it for you |
| 16:43.36 | Elkano | thanks :) |
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| 16:46.02 | Elkano | it's for the comm api thread (just to make sure) |
| 16:46.36 | Mikma | just tell sloukan to come here to talk with you people hehehe |
| 16:47.01 | End | he was on last night |
| 16:47.18 | Kaelten | Elkano: posted |
| 16:47.21 | End | and he was using an untrue IRC client |
| 16:47.32 | Iriel | We dont usually talk work with him tho |
| 16:47.35 | End | (or at least, he said it wasn't a true irc client, so it must be untrue though) |
| 16:47.38 | Iriel | he comes here to relax, unless he brings it up |
| 16:47.47 | End | yeah |
| 16:47.52 | Iriel | the forum threads are the appropriate place for the discussions |
| 16:47.55 | Mikma | neat.. |
| 16:51.46 | Elkano | thanks :) |
| 16:52.29 | Bela|AFK | what does everyone think of an url change for wdn? reason I ask is wdn doesn't really mean anything anymore, and I think vd.wowinterface.com would be more apt. (vd = version database) |
| 16:53.10 | Beladona | would probably just have a forward from wdn to vd of course |
| 16:53.12 | Iriel | I think wdn is a better name than vd |
| 16:53.14 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 16:53.21 | Iriel | Especially when spoken alound |
| 16:53.22 | End | I think wdn is better just because that's what we are used to using |
| 16:53.24 | Iriel | aloud, even |
| 16:53.28 | Beladona | true |
| 16:53.31 | End | and...what Iriel said |
| 16:53.34 | End | :X |
| 16:53.36 | zenzelezz | I always thought "wdn" sounded confusing (even though I knew what it meant) |
| 16:54.12 | Beladona | it is confusing. It doesn't really apply anymore. But I have kept it for this long because it is what most are used to |
| 16:54.17 | Iriel | Kaelten : Embedded lib, parses prefix, then you can do == |
| 16:54.21 | Beladona | there isn't really a need to change it |
| 16:54.28 | Iriel | Kaelten : Just responding to an earlier comment you made 8-) |
| 16:54.36 | End | Adding an alias might not be a bad idea, but I dunno... |
| 16:54.47 | Iriel | Also, think V.D. 8-) |
| 16:54.48 | Kaelten | so just have an embedded lib handle the mindless processing portion of your life :)? |
| 16:54.51 | Beladona | I am redesigning the site a little |
| 16:54.56 | Beladona | is why I asked |
| 16:55.13 | Beladona | hated sticking wdn on there, because I always get asked "what does wdn mean?" |
| 16:55.13 | End | I think Iriel has an obsession with VD |
| 16:55.27 | End | Wet Dog Nouns?? |
| 16:55.43 | Beladona | was originally gonna be wow development network |
| 16:55.46 | End | yeah |
| 16:56.08 | Iriel | Maybe dev.wowinterface.com ? |
| 16:56.09 | Beladona | back when I planned to have more on the site, similar to what wowwiki does. But wowwiki does a great job, and thats a lotta work |
| 16:56.22 | Beladona | dev might work |
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| 17:05.26 | Tarog | o.o |
| 17:05.28 | Tarog | who works |
| 17:05.31 | Tarog | geeze |
| 17:05.52 | End | me, sometimes |
| 17:05.53 | End | :X |
| 17:05.58 | Tarog | tsk tsk |
| 17:06.04 | End | ~unproductivity |
| 17:06.08 | purl | yay! |
| 17:06.19 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.25 | Wobin | ah |
| 17:06.45 | Mikk1 | ah oh.. beladona: two questions... |
| 17:07.04 | Mikk1 | 1. do you mind if i link directly to files in wdn from wowwiki? |
| 17:07.20 | Mikk1 | 2. if not, do you think you could make it possible to always view the latest version of a file without knowing the ID? =) |
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| 17:09.07 | Tem | what the hell |
| 17:09.11 | Tem | this priest has a perditions |
| 17:09.15 | Kalroth | haha |
| 17:09.16 | End | o_O |
| 17:09.24 | Shadowed | what enchant?\ |
| 17:09.40 | Tem | +7 frost power |
| 17:09.42 | Kebinusan | you'd be amazed how many people get weird gear after a while |
| 17:09.47 | Beladona | Mikk1: you can link directly if you want. as far as 2, please explain |
| 17:09.48 | Shadowed | awesome |
| 17:10.00 | Kirov | A priest with perditions ... and +7 frost |
| 17:10.07 | Tem | he found a GM warrior botting in WPL |
| 17:10.17 | Tem | so he MC'd him to a watery death |
| 17:10.21 | End | wands don't even get +damage bonuses, too, right? |
| 17:10.25 | Tem | nope |
| 17:10.30 | Tem | used to |
| 17:10.34 | Beladona | ahh, you mean having a direct link to latest file via a link that never changes? |
| 17:10.35 | Tem | but it was pretty OP |
| 17:10.37 | Kirov | It's almost as if he's crying out for help "please, please let me be a damage class!" |
| 17:10.41 | Beladona | I can do that pretty easily |
| 17:10.50 | Kebinusan | nah, probably just in a guild thats been running mc too long |
| 17:10.50 | End | wands tend to be fairly high dps already for a free ranged weapon |
| 17:11.46 | End | versus guns/bows which are semi-free (long term not free, short term free), noticebly lower dps, but -do- get ranged attack bonus |
| 17:11.50 | Kaso | Trueshot aura doesnt help wands :< |
| 17:11.58 | End | s/lower dps/lower base dps/ |
| 17:12.00 | Kaso | nor does hunters mark |
| 17:12.10 | End | well |
| 17:12.13 | Shadowed | wands don't use attack power though :p |
| 17:12.15 | Kebinusan | you also cant enchant wands sadly |
| 17:12.17 | End | wands don't get ranged attack power |
| 17:12.24 | Kirov | Expose Weakness used to work on wands |
| 17:12.28 | Kirov | :) |
| 17:13.15 | Kaso | it kinda sucks really, i mean wands are meant to be like auto-attack for a caster class, yet we cant boost the damage |
| 17:13.52 | End | well, you -can- get a higher dps wand ;p |
| 17:13.54 | End | but that's it |
| 17:14.13 | Kebinusan | yeah we got this crazy wand from razuvious last night |
| 17:14.18 | Kebinusan | something like 112 dps |
| 17:14.18 | End | well, that, and spec in your class's wand spec if available |
| 17:14.39 | End | (warlocks don't have a wand spec talent, do they?) |
| 17:14.50 | Kaso | they have a +all damage talent that afffects wands iirc |
| 17:15.04 | Kebinusan | nope no +dmg talent for locks |
| 17:15.11 | Kebinusan | but the nice thing about locks and wands is dots |
| 17:15.15 | Kebinusan | lots of dots |
| 17:15.25 | End | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=53865 <-- 113 dps |
| 17:16.01 | Wobin | ~moredots |
| 17:16.03 | purl | Run to the centre! |
| 17:16.15 | End | many whelps! |
| 17:16.16 | Kebinusan | yeah end, I want that wand |
| 17:16.17 | Kaso | Soul Link Increases damage 3% :> |
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| 17:31.24 | esp|Syn | http://pastebin.ca/86214 |
| 17:31.32 | esp|Syn | anyone tell me why the MyModData is empty on that :/ |
| 17:32.26 | Kirov | aiee |
| 17:32.38 | Cide | (spam) |
| 17:32.40 | Cide | In 1.12, addons can send hidden chat messages to players in the party, raid or guild, using SendAddonMessage("prefix", "message", "PARTY"|"RAID"|"GUILD"). When players receve these messages, a new event "CHAT_MSG_ADDON" is sent, with arg1-arg3 being the parameters to SendAddonMessage(), and arg4 being the name of the player that sent it. The combined length of "prefix" and "message" must be less than or equal to 254 bytes. |
| 17:33.00 | clad|work | wow |
| 17:33.03 | clad|work | that's spectacular. |
| 17:33.04 | Kirov | ! |
| 17:33.06 | Cide | indeed |
| 17:33.10 | Kirov | My suggestion worked! |
| 17:33.31 | Kirov | holy fuck |
| 17:33.43 | Mikk1 | YAAAAAAAAAAAAY |
| 17:34.03 | Kirov | cide - where is that posted? |
| 17:34.12 | Kirov | or did he e-mail you directly |
| 17:34.17 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=412845 |
| 17:34.26 | clad|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=412845&p=1&tmp=1#post412845 |
| 17:34.30 | clad|work | damn you =) |
| 17:35.21 | Kirov | glee |
| 17:35.45 | Kirov | Well, that''ll hopefully kill the protocol prefix talk |
| 17:35.51 | clad|work | yep |
| 17:35.55 | clad|work | should kill pretty much everything. |
| 17:36.10 | Cide | party/raid/guild arg: check |
| 17:36.11 | Cide | prefix: check |
| 17:36.15 | Cide | hidden channel: check |
| 17:36.16 | Cide | win! |
| 17:36.20 | clad|work | now people need to get them implemented so the community can test and destroy them way before 1.12 |
| 17:36.21 | Mikk1 | whisper.... =( |
| 17:36.45 | Cide | this means I have to get a new version of ctra ready for 1.12, sadly |
| 17:36.50 | clad|work | *nod* |
| 17:36.54 | Mikk1 | whispeeeeeeer |
| 17:37.11 | clad|work | Cide: Are you planning on keeping compat at this point, or taking the opportunity to clean up a few things? |
| 17:37.21 | Cide | the latter |
| 17:37.44 | Cide | I will stray away from reverse compatibility in order to make things easier to maintain |
| 17:37.50 | Mikk1 | As if lagging behind on CTRA updates has ever been safe :-P |
| 17:38.00 | Cide | that won't happen now |
| 17:38.07 | Sat|working | Hot damn, slouken loves us |
| 17:38.17 | Cide | I rewrote the system to position frames, it's much more optimized and efficient now |
| 17:38.22 | Cide | Sat|working: we can tell :) |
| 17:38.53 | clad|work | Cide: Did you look at the dirty flagging stuff yet? |
| 17:39.15 | clad|work | Sat|working: I hate you.. why can't I IRC at work |
| 17:39.20 | clad|work | well i mean, i'm not at work yet... |
| 17:39.22 | Cide | yep |
| 17:39.24 | Beladona | dirty flagging, sounds like something nsfw 9hehe) |
| 17:39.25 | Sat|working | Because you don't work from home? |
| 17:39.31 | clad|work | *cry* |
| 17:39.34 | Kirov | Things like the CHAT_MSG_RAIDLEADER stuff is already kinda' breaking backwards compatability |
| 17:39.35 | clad|work | sure.. rub it in. |
| 17:39.39 | Kirov | for CTRA |
| 17:39.40 | Sat|working | teehee |
| 17:40.13 | clad|work | k.. bbl folks. |
| 17:45.18 | esp|Syn | Srry to repeat guys but im really stumped, |
| 17:45.20 | esp|Syn | http://pastebin.ca/86214 |
| 17:45.23 | esp|Syn | anyone tell me why the MyModData is empty on that :/ |
| 17:45.48 | Kirov | esp|Syn - way too much code to go through. |
| 17:46.20 | esp|Syn | oki, ill pull out the relivent functions |
| 17:47.38 | Shadowed | esp|Syn: You should probably check arg1 in ADDON_LOADED to see if it's your addon that loaded |
| 17:48.01 | esp|Syn | http://pastebin.ca/86234 |
| 17:48.12 | esp|Syn | oki ill look at that |
| 17:48.24 | Shadowed | arg1 = folder name of the addon that was loaded |
| 17:51.18 | esp|Syn | erm.. sorry to sound stupid.. but how? |
| 17:51.38 | Kirov | esp|Syn - read Shadowed's comment |
| 17:52.48 | esp|Syn | i understand that.. i just dont understand how to check it :/ |
| 17:54.34 | Kirov | esp|Syn - the same way the code is doing other arg# checks |
| 17:55.21 | End | oh, slouken added a prefix arg |
| 17:55.45 | Kirov | if(event=="ADDON_LOADED" and arg1=="myModFolder")then |
| 17:56.00 | esp|Syn | oh.. simple as that lol |
| 17:56.06 | esp|Syn | i assumed it would be harder |
| 17:56.27 | Shadowed | annnd boom goes some servers |
| 17:57.44 | esp|Syn | Hrm still empty mind |
| 18:00.37 | Kirov | esp|Syn - your bug is likely something around the battlestuff() function |
| 18:00.45 | esp|Syn | im looking into it now |
| 18:01.11 | Kirov | I'm assuming by empty you mean {} vs. nil |
| 18:01.20 | esp|Syn | yeah its { } |
| 18:01.30 | Kirov | So tha function is the only place it gets set |
| 18:01.34 | esp|Syn | onload i set it to {} if its empty |
| 18:01.47 | Kirov | onload you set it to {} if it's nil |
| 18:01.51 | esp|Syn | yep |
| 18:01.53 | esp|Syn | sorry |
| 18:01.54 | Kirov | {} is empty |
| 18:01.56 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:02.10 | esp|Syn | yeah i check if its nil and if so set it too {} |
| 18:02.33 | Kirov | is myModData = {} saved at all? |
| 18:02.47 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.04 | esp|Syn | no |
| 18:03.39 | Kirov | if MyModData == nil then MyModData = {} is somewhat overkill. |
| 18:04.03 | wereHamster | Kirov, what's wrong with VARABLES_LOADED? |
| 18:04.19 | Kirov | Any table you want to exist when the mod starts up, just make a variable outside of the function calls that just does MyModData = {} |
| 18:04.40 | esp|Syn | oki |
| 18:04.42 | Kirov | were - everything! (erm, nothing) |
| 18:05.28 | Kirov | were - why? |
| 18:05.43 | esp|Syn | Ok. but that dosnt solve my problem with it being empty :/ |
| 18:05.55 | Kirov | were - his mod was already using ADDON_LOADED, someone else made the suggestion of including arg1 check |
| 18:05.56 | esp|Syn | from what i can work out.. it should be working |
| 18:27.55 | esp|Syn | ok i just cant work this out.. |
| 18:28.35 | esp|Syn | unless its because i use "local i" |
| 18:30.16 | Shadowed | morning |
| 18:31.02 | Kaso | What cannot you work out esp|Syn |
| 18:31.31 | esp|Syn | why MyModData is always empty |
| 18:31.36 | esp|Syn | but.. i just had a thought |
| 18:32.02 | esp|Syn | im using it as an array.. do i need to define it diffrently too MyModData = {} |
| 18:32.34 | Kaso | umm |
| 18:32.59 | Kaso | i dont really know what you mean, sorry. |
| 18:33.22 | Kaso | oh, do you mean to? |
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| 18:33.31 | esp|Syn | im using "MyModData[i] = v" |
| 18:33.44 | esp|Syn | so its an array, do i need it declared as an array? |
| 18:34.04 | Kaso | MyModData={} MyModData[i] = v will work |
| 18:34.10 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 18:34.20 | stryder_30 | If i call an event of CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_... How big of an area can I expect to be getting these chat messages related to combat? |
| 18:34.37 | esp|Syn | http://pastebin.ca/86276 |
| 18:34.41 | esp|Syn | then why isnt that working? |
| 18:35.09 | Kirov | esp|Syn - try tinsert( MyModData, v ); |
| 18:35.25 | esp|Syn | erm |
| 18:35.30 | Kaso | stryder_30: its like 30, 40 yrds at most |
| 18:35.37 | Kirov | stryder - combat messages have a range of about 20 yards |
| 18:36.01 | Kirov | combat messages pertaining to yourself appear to have a greater range |
| 18:36.09 | esp|Syn | i cant use that Kirov |
| 18:36.16 | Kirov | esp|Syn - why not? |
| 18:36.26 | esp|Syn | wait.. |
| 18:36.27 | stryder_30 | okay, thanks. I am looking at knowing when people in my raid die, i want to keep track of a few things related to that... is there a better way to get these events related to people in my raid dieing? |
| 18:36.31 | esp|Syn | i think i misread that hold on |
| 18:36.51 | Kirov | stryder - yes |
| 18:36.56 | Kirov | UNIT_HEALTH |
| 18:37.04 | esp|Syn | will i still be able to do MyModData[1] and get element 1? |
| 18:37.05 | stryder_30 | ahh! |
| 18:37.07 | Kirov | arg1 = unitid |
| 18:37.37 | Kirov | For hunters you'll need to check if they're FDed, priests you'll need to see if they an angel |
| 18:37.45 | Kirov | esp|Syn - yes |
| 18:37.51 | esp|Syn | good :) |
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| 18:38.20 | Kirov | tinsert( Table, var ) is the equivalent of Table[getn(Table)] = var |
| 18:39.02 | esp|Syn | ok.. well |
| 18:39.10 | esp|Syn | the table isnt empty atleast now |
| 18:39.18 | Kirov | well, equivalent of |
| 18:39.18 | Kirov | Table[getn(Table)] = var |
| 18:39.18 | Kirov | setn(Table,getn(Table)+1); |
| 18:39.28 | stryder_30 | UNIT_HEALTH ... the arg1 is the unitID, so then i will have to check if they are dead verse just getting hurt? (as well as FD/Angel) |
| 18:39.43 | Cide | yes |
| 18:40.13 | esp|Syn | Ok.. so how can i check to see what element 1 of MyModData is? |
| 18:40.24 | esp|Syn | ingame i mean |
| 18:40.25 | Kirov | styder - if ( UnitHeatth(arg1) == 0 ) then -- do checks for special cases on hunters / priests, otherwise dead |
| 18:40.49 | Kirov | esp|Syn - Let me introduce you to your new best friend |
| 18:41.09 | Shadowed | debugging? |
| 18:41.32 | stryder_30 | okay, Thanks alot Kirov, I am trying to learn this all and ever time i think I am getting the hang of it, i open a new door to crazy possiblities =) |
| 18:41.33 | Shadowed | Kirov: What is even returned from UnitDead if a priest as spirit of redemption? |
| 18:41.44 | Shadowed | s/as/has/ |
| 18:42.01 | Kirov | shadowed - nil |
| 18:42.06 | Kaso | i think as made mor sense than has |
| 18:42.50 | Kirov | ok, damn it |
| 18:43.00 | Kirov | what's iriel's site again? |
| 18:44.00 | Shadowed | iriel.org? |
| 18:44.30 | Cide | http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/ |
| 18:44.47 | Kirov | esp|Syn - http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/DevTools-1.0pre2-11100.zip |
| 18:45.10 | Kirov | esp|Syn - if you want to find out what something is, or what it has in it, /dump |
| 18:45.43 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.43 | Kirov | will spit out any information in that table, or nothing if it's nil |
| 18:46.22 | esp|Syn | ok ill try it thnx |
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| 18:48.00 | esp|Syn | well that works :D and i think i figured the error |
| 18:48.02 | esp|Syn | ta |
| 18:49.08 | esp|Syn | IT WORKED :D |
| 18:49.33 | esp|Syn | i <3 you Kirov :D |
| 18:49.34 | Kirov | stryder - psuedo code |
| 18:49.34 | Kirov | if health == 0 then if class == hunter and has Feign Death then not dead else if class == priest and has Spirit of Redemption then is dead, else dead |
| 18:49.51 | Shadowed | uhh wiki question |
| 18:50.06 | Kirov | yeah? |
| 18:50.09 | Shadowed | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=API_GetBattlefieldWinner&diff=183923&oldid=183712 |
| 18:50.30 | Shadowed | the reason klishu did makes no sense/is wrong |
| 18:50.31 | End | iriel really should put a link to his addons from iriel.org |
| 18:50.34 | Shadowed | *revision |
| 18:50.54 | End | I can remember iriel.org, but it takes a bit to remember where his addons are |
| 18:51.35 | Kirov | That or possibly put a few more of them up at wowi |
| 18:51.42 | End | yeah |
| 18:51.53 | End | -most- of the ones I use are on wowi, but not all |
| 18:51.55 | Cairenn | I believe he's got most of them at WoWI |
| 18:52.00 | Shadowed | ( can verify what it returns by checking WorldStateScoreFrame_Update WorldStateFrame.lua ) |
| 18:52.18 | Kirov | Cairenn - not a lot of his "test" addons |
| 18:52.22 | End | of course, I always look in his castle for DevTools |
| 18:52.23 | Kirov | just his "actual" addons |
| 18:52.25 | End | but it isn't there |
| 18:52.30 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 18:52.32 | Kirov | and yeah, DevTools isn't |
| 18:52.44 | Cairenn | funny that |
| 18:52.47 | End | of course, if you go down to Development Utilities... |
| 18:52.50 | Cairenn | they can be |
| 18:52.54 | End | er, Developer I mean |
| 18:53.23 | Cairenn | can move them, just thought they were better remaining where they were |
| 18:53.43 | End | It's no big deal |
| 18:57.31 | Kirov | shadowed - undo it then |
| 18:58.45 | Shadowed | Kirov: alright, just wanted to make sure |
| 18:59.42 | Shadowed | at that, how do you revert something on the wiki? still working out where everything is |
| 19:00.15 | Kaso | goto history |
| 19:00.20 | Kaso | choose the version you want to revert to |
| 19:00.24 | Kaso | click edit, save |
| 19:00.49 | Shadowed | oh i see, thanks |
| 19:01.31 | esp|Syn | You know those windows. that popup when you hover over an item |
| 19:01.37 | esp|Syn | are they called tooltips? |
| 19:02.00 | Thrae | Yes, that is GameTooltip specifically. |
| 19:02.20 | esp|Syn | oki, so i need to work out how to make them then :) cheers |
| 19:04.12 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi!!!!!! |
| 19:04.15 | Kaso | Tooltip = CreateFrame("GameTooltip","Tooltip",UIParent,"GameTooltipTemplate") |
| 19:04.43 | End | uh oh |
| 19:04.56 | End | Cairenn has gotten all growly on us |
| 19:05.13 | zenzelezz | Cairenn's rolled a druid |
| 19:05.49 | esp|Syn | ok, so i have a list of players who have killed me in pvp |
| 19:06.03 | End | or is a hunter pet |
| 19:06.14 | esp|Syn | im thinking of using tooltips, so when u hover over the name, you get there info ( race, class, guild ect ) |
| 19:06.20 | esp|Syn | sensible? or is there a better way? |
| 19:07.29 | Thrae | esp|Syn: As simple as GameTooltip_SetDefaultAnchor(GameTooltip, YourFrame) GameTooltip:SetUnit( unitId ) |
| 19:08.07 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 19:08.22 | esp|Syn | ive been hearing about how impossibly hard they are to use lol |
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| 19:11.41 | Kaso | tooltips are fun! |
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| 19:20.53 | esp|Syn | would help if i understood xml atall lol |
| 19:22.14 | Shadowed | Getting told "GM help tickets are currently unavailable" everytime i leave or join a battleground is going to get annoying -.- |
| 19:23.38 | Cairenn | " In 1.12, addons can send hidden chat messages to players in the party, raid or guild, using SendAddonMessage("prefix", "message", "PARTY"|"RAID"|"GUILD"). When players receve these messages, a new event "CHAT_MSG_ADDON" is sent, with arg1-arg3 being the parameters to SendAddonMessage(), and arg4 being the name of the player that sent it. The combined length of "prefix" and "message" must be less than or equa |
| 19:24.47 | Cairenn | the pirate continues to deliver |
| 19:26.21 | End | I wish I was capable of making cookies |
| 19:26.30 | Shadowed | Cairenn we need you to bake him some cookies |
| 19:26.45 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:26.49 | End | Cairenn is probably more capable than I am |
| 19:27.14 | Cairenn | I'm quite sure you are perfectly capable of baking cookies if you wanted to |
| 19:27.21 | Cairenn | it's not like it's difficult |
| 19:27.24 | End | lies |
| 19:27.41 | Shadowed | I'd rather not burn down my kitchen thanks! |
| 19:29.34 | Cairenn | I find it amusing how you automatically assume that since I am female I can bake cookies, though |
| 19:30.00 | Shadowed | I though you would |
| 19:30.11 | End | It's not completely automatic! |
| 19:30.20 | Cairenn | you happen to be correct, I can |
| 19:30.45 | Cairenn | but that's nothing to do with gender |
| 19:31.41 | Shadowed | I never said it had to do with gender, you we're the one who brought it up! |
| 19:32.04 | Cairenn | why did you pick the only female in channel then, hmmmm? |
| 19:32.34 | Shadowed | Because you we're the only one who was talking in the last 5 minutes besides End |
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| 19:32.59 | End | actually, I was alt tabbed |
| 19:33.06 | End | although, it -was- mostly automatic ;p |
| 19:33.18 | Shadowed | And End had just said he wasn't capable of it, so you were the likely choice Cairenn :p |
| 19:33.26 | Cairenn | mmhmm |
| 19:33.33 | End | I -can- make ramen though |
| 19:33.36 | End | and that's a fact |
| 19:34.31 | esp|Syn | dont suppose anyone would be willing to do some interface coding for me :D |
| 19:37.36 | esp|Syn | take that as a no :( |
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| 19:37.59 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 19:38.05 | Cairenn | given the lack of chatter in the channel atm esp|Syn, I'd say most folks aren't really paying attention in here right now |
| 19:38.08 | Cairenn | hey Iriel :) |
| 19:38.17 | Cairenn | the pirate delivered again |
| 19:38.22 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.43 | Iriel | If only the stupid login server would work |
| 19:38.53 | esp|Syn | hehe i wasnt actually expecting anyone to do it anyway |
| 19:38.55 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 19:38.57 | Beladona | gah, I hate it when you have css making a div span the entire height of a page, and there is a 10 px gap at the bottom I can't seem to get rid of |
| 19:39.14 | esp|Syn | yea... me too |
| 19:39.18 | esp|Syn | HATE IT |
| 19:39.18 | Beladona | and go figure, IW displays it fine |
| 19:39.22 | Beladona | IE rather |
| 19:39.39 | esp|Syn | Rather than what |
| 19:39.54 | Iriel | Did I misspell "Innebriation" ? |
| 19:40.39 | Beladona | does it matter when one is Innedbriated? |
| 19:40.44 | Beladona | err.... |
| 19:40.47 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 19:42.26 | esp|Syn | ok i need an example of a tooltip |
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| 19:47.26 | esp|Syn | am i on ignore here :'( |
| 19:47.42 | Cairenn | nope |
| 19:47.53 | Cairenn | but you need to be a bit more specific |
| 19:48.24 | Cairenn | "I need an example of a tooltip" ... ummm, what about the blizz default? or? |
| 19:49.15 | esp|Syn | hehe again .. wasnt expecting help just convo to keep me willing to breath |
| 19:49.35 | Cairenn | there's tons of tooltip mods out there, what are you looking for, specifically? |
| 19:49.42 | Cairenn | ah |
| 19:49.57 | esp|Syn | But.. im trying to make a tooltip for my mod so when i hover over a name in a list ive made, it gives a tooltip with info on that player as logged by my mod |
| 19:50.16 | esp|Syn | but generally just wanting to chat so i dont get to depressed reading this wiki |
| 19:51.29 | esp|Syn | im not sure tooltip is what im looking for.. from the wiki info. it seems to only work for items and units not strings in a list |
| 19:52.33 | Cairenn | Beladona!!!!! |
| 19:52.57 | esp|Syn | pardon? |
| 19:53.57 | Thrae | esp|Syn: GameTooltip works fine for anything, just call GameTooltip:SetText if you just need to add info to the 1st line, or GameTooltip:AddLine. |
| 19:55.02 | Thrae | s/GameTooltip:AddLine/GameTooltip:AddLine for each additional line/ |
| 19:55.27 | Shadowed | esp|Syn: Cairenn is half cat, you'll get used to it |
| 19:56.11 | Thrae | I've also made an embeddable lib which uses a custom Frame instead of GameTooltip if you're interested. |
| 19:56.38 | esp|Syn | im only a begginer at this.. so ill stick with the easist |
| 19:57.41 | esp|Syn | but.. wait |
| 19:57.45 | esp|Syn | dont i need to make a frame for it? |
| 19:58.03 | Thrae | No. |
| 19:58.25 | Thrae | You can just set GameTooltip's anchor relative to UIParent, if you want. |
| 19:59.16 | Thrae | What may be confusing is that there is a GameTooltip object _class_, and an instantiated GameTooltip _frame_ using the GameTooltip object class and inheriting GameTooltipTemplate. |
| 19:59.58 | Thrae | When you mouseover something, what you see is the GameTooltip _frame_. |
| 20:00.24 | Thrae | s/what you see/what you usually see/ |
| 20:00.47 | esp|Syn | ok.. i dont mean to sound totally moronic |
| 20:00.52 | esp|Syn | but i didnt understand 90% of that :/ |
| 20:02.14 | Thrae | esp|Syn: Yeah, Blizzard got confused when they made the GameTooltip object class and GameTooltip frame. |
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| 20:03.26 | Thrae | They should have called them something different, and they should have made :SetUnit global functions instead of inherited, since they need to be using one of the Templates to work. |
| 20:03.39 | esp|Syn | right im just confused now |
| 20:03.50 | esp|Syn | so.. ALL i need to do. is use GameTooltip:SetText |
| 20:03.59 | esp|Syn | and GameTooltip:Addline |
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| 20:04.16 | esp|Syn | and call the function there in. from mouseover on the list? |
| 20:04.20 | Thrae | And GameTooltip_SetDefaultAnchor(GameTooltip, UIParent) before you set text, then GameTooltip:Show() after you set text. |
| 20:05.40 | esp|Syn | oki cheers |
| 20:06.20 | Shadowed | So fun little battleground bug. Looks like you maybe able to queue for the last battleground window you had opened no matter where you are |
| 20:07.52 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 20:10.06 | Hexarobi | so ive got a frame but i cant move it, is there a simple xml tag that will add a title bar? or do i need to code a button |
| 20:11.39 | esp|Syn | again.. not to sound stupid.. but is it even possible to call mouseover on a button? |
| 20:12.22 | Cairenn | ~whalenametheft Beladona |
| 20:12.23 | purl | ACTION watches in awe as a rather menacing whale named Reginald (who also happens to be well versed in the art of marketing) steals Beladona's name. The now anonymous target weeps. |
| 20:13.20 | esp|Syn | i worry.. sometimes i really worry |
| 20:13.49 | Cairenn | we'd be concerned about you if you didn't |
| 20:16.16 | esp|Syn | Ok.. so is there a mouseover function for a button :/ |
| 20:16.51 | stryder_30 | stupid question time! how to i make comments in XML |
| 20:16.54 | stryder_30 | =) |
| 20:17.27 | esp|Syn | <!-- Students grades are updated bi-monthly --> |
| 20:17.31 | esp|Syn | like that apparently |
| 20:17.40 | stryder_30 | bah, i forgot the !, i was close |
| 20:17.54 | stryder_30 | Thanks! |
| 20:17.57 | esp|Syn | np |
| 20:19.17 | End | -whalenametheft-?? |
| 20:21.08 | Cairenn | sure, why not |
| 20:21.19 | End | yes, but did it have to be -Reginald-? |
| 20:21.19 | esp|Syn | that to me? or end? |
| 20:21.24 | esp|Syn | ah oki |
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| 20:21.39 | Cairenn | dun ask me, I didn't program it |
| 20:21.45 | End | ~scissors |
| 20:21.47 | purl | paper, you win. |
| 20:21.54 | End | YES! YES! I WIN! |
| 20:22.00 | End | did you hear that? in your FACE |
| 20:22.22 | Shadowed | ~scissors |
| 20:22.23 | purl | rock, I win. |
| 20:22.25 | Cairenn | "Reginald Fils-Aime, VP of marketing at Nintendo of America - Made himself famous by saying at E3 2004 that he's about kicking ass and taking names" |
| 20:22.27 | Shadowed | :( |
| 20:22.29 | Shadowed | ~rock |
| 20:22.31 | purl | i heard rock is kinda bsd-ish, too - in the future i'll probably transfer to rock, when it's default devfs doesn't screw up with xonox's partitioning nightmare |
| 20:22.45 | End | hold on Shadowed I'll fix that |
| 20:23.19 | Shadowed | ~paper |
| 20:23.21 | purl | scissors, I win. |
| 20:23.27 | Shadowed | purl is cheating |
| 20:23.50 | esp|Syn | oo can i do that? |
| 20:23.54 | esp|Syn | ~paper |
| 20:23.56 | purl | paper, play again. |
| 20:24.00 | esp|Syn | whoo! |
| 20:24.11 | esp|Syn | i quit while im even |
| 20:24.22 | End | ~rock |
| 20:24.23 | purl | scissors, you win. |
| 20:24.46 | Elkano | ~paper |
| 20:24.48 | purl | paper, play again. |
| 20:24.52 | esp|Syn | ok u tempted me again |
| 20:24.56 | esp|Syn | ~rock |
| 20:24.58 | purl | rock, play again. |
| 20:25.01 | esp|Syn | WHOO! |
| 20:25.05 | Elkano | ~paper |
| 20:25.07 | purl | rock, you win. |
| 20:25.07 | Shadowed | ~rock |
| 20:25.09 | purl | paper, I win. |
| 20:25.11 | Shadowed | yes! |
| 20:25.12 | esp|Syn | haha |
| 20:25.15 | Elkano | :P |
| 20:25.23 | End | (look at the horror I have unleashed!) |
| 20:25.34 | End | (everyone is playing rock paper scissors with the bot now!) |
| 20:25.39 | Shadowed | ~slap End |
| 20:25.40 | purl | ACTION slaps End, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:25.53 | End | ~botslap |
| 20:25.54 | purl | OUCH! That hurt, end! |
| 20:25.57 | esp|Syn | btw WHY CANT I MOUSEOVER ON A BUTTON :( |
| 20:25.58 | End | ~botsnack |
| 20:25.58 | purl | End: thanks |
| 20:26.05 | End | I give purl mixed signals |
| 20:26.10 | esp|Syn | ~botstroke |
| 20:26.14 | End | o_O |
| 20:26.15 | esp|Syn | awh |
| 20:26.36 | End | mouseover on a button? |
| 20:26.40 | End | like OnEnter? |
| 20:26.50 | esp|Syn | i use buttons for my scroll list |
| 20:27.18 | esp|Syn | and i want a tooltip on mouseover of the items in that list |
| 20:27.27 | End | I think you want OnEnter |
| 20:27.57 | esp|Syn | oki ill look into it :) <3 |
| 20:28.45 | End | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIHANDLER_OnEnter |
| 20:28.55 | End | which of course doesn't offer any useful documentation |
| 20:28.59 | End | but there you go |
| 20:32.11 | Hexarobi | so ive got a frame but i cant move it, is there a simple xml tag that will add a title bar? or do i need to code a button |
| 20:34.00 | esp|Syn | oki dont understand that |
| 20:34.06 | esp|Syn | u just want to make a frame moveable? |
| 20:34.30 | esp|Syn | if so.. try http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Make_a_Frame_Draggable |
| 20:34.32 | Hexarobi | yes |
| 20:34.36 | Hexarobi | heh thanks ;) |
| 20:40.19 | End | damn, can't set the metatable of a metatable |
| 20:40.32 | End | well, you can, but it won't use it |
| 20:40.57 | End | ( <-- writing sneaky code ) |
| 20:41.31 | Tem | End, don't do that |
| 20:41.33 | Tem | it's mean |
| 20:42.01 | End | >:) |
| 20:42.55 | esp|Syn | whoot |
| 20:43.01 | esp|Syn | 6 months of wow payed for :D |
| 20:43.03 | End | although, I can still do what I want |
| 20:50.42 | esp|Syn | ok. again i know u all prolly wana kill me cos im a newbie |
| 20:51.03 | esp|Syn | but.. in the tooltip.. how do i get the item a tooltip for? |
| 20:51.10 | esp|Syn | its a * |
| 20:51.17 | End | the name of? |
| 20:51.26 | End | or do you want to know something else about the item? |
| 20:51.27 | esp|Syn | Actually the text of |
| 20:51.37 | Kirov | esp|Syn - Just the text of the tooltip? |
| 20:51.56 | esp|Syn | no.. the current text of the button the tooltip is for |
| 20:52.12 | End | of the button? |
| 20:52.37 | esp|Syn | the tooltip shows OnEnter of the button ( i use buttons for the scroll box ) |
| 20:52.50 | End | in that case |
| 20:52.51 | End | you this |
| 20:52.52 | End | er |
| 20:52.53 | End | use this |
| 20:53.07 | End | the this variable is whatever is being "entered" |
| 20:53.11 | End | (in that case) |
| 20:53.23 | End | so, this:GetName() for example |
| 20:53.39 | esp|Syn | Ahh. yes :D |
| 20:53.46 | esp|Syn | basically like an OBJECT_SELF then |
| 20:54.12 | esp|Syn | but i need text.. i guess there is a this:GetText()? |
| 20:54.13 | Kirov | hmm |
| 20:54.16 | End | yes |
| 20:54.44 | Kirov | depending on how you made the button, buttonname:GetText() may work, or you may need to do buttonnameText:GetText() |
| 20:55.00 | End | yeah, Kirov is right |
| 20:55.27 | Kirov | getglobal(this:GetName.."Text"):GetText() |
| 20:55.35 | Iriel | It could be buttonnameBob:GetText() or somethingtotallyunlikethebuttonname:GetText() too 8-) |
| 20:55.42 | End | well yeah |
| 20:55.44 | Iriel | Convention tends to be Text tho 8-) |
| 20:55.57 | End | but esp|Syn should know enough about his own buttons to figure that out though :P |
| 20:56.08 | End | I mean, I hope he knows what he is naming things... |
| 20:56.12 | Kirov | Just as long as it's got a name |
| 20:56.18 | esp|Syn | i should.. only i used the script from the tutorials :( |
| 20:56.29 | Kirov | so probably button:GetText() |
| 20:56.40 | esp|Syn | <Button name="MyModEntry1" inherits="MyModEntryTemplate"> |
| 20:56.44 | esp|Syn | 1 - 5 |
| 20:56.55 | Kirov | and MyModEntryTemplate looks like what? |
| 20:57.05 | esp|Syn | Pass |
| 20:57.40 | esp|Syn | well i can see it here |
| 20:57.46 | esp|Syn | but.. i CANT do xml atall |
| 20:57.54 | esp|Syn | so ive been using tutorial stuff and editing it |
| 20:58.01 | End | xml grows hair on your chest |
| 20:58.03 | Kirov | which tutorial? |
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| 20:58.13 | End | and your back too |
| 20:58.14 | Kirov | xml isn't difficult, just annoying |
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| 20:58.30 | esp|Syn | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Make_a_Scrollable_List_Using_FauxScrollFrameTemplate |
| 20:58.31 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 20:58.32 | esp|Syn | that one |
| 20:58.35 | Cairenn | xml is easy :p |
| 20:58.44 | Thrae | If XML grows hair on your chest, dynamic Lua makes you into a yeti :D |
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| 20:58.58 | esp|Syn | i dunno why i really struggle with xml |
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| 20:59.00 | Kirov | Sasquatch if you please |
| 20:59.51 | Kirov | esp|Syn - scroll frames are quite a thing to jump in to at the start |
| 21:00.04 | esp|Syn | well. then im proud i got it working |
| 21:00.14 | End | I jumped into scroll frames when I first started, and it caused premature balding |
| 21:00.25 | End | of course, now I have a full head of hair... |
| 21:01.00 | esp|Syn | I tend to do ta |
| 21:01.04 | esp|Syn | that i get an idea |
| 21:01.20 | esp|Syn | and i like to do the best i can.. even if it means i have to drink bleach sometimes |
| 21:01.31 | Beladona | you guys like? http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 21:02.16 | Cairenn | Beladona: lucky, I was afraid I was going to have to hurt you when I clicked on that link .... |
| 21:02.40 | End | IT'S HORSE PORN |
| 21:02.42 | Beladona | why? |
| 21:02.58 | Cairenn | and yes, I the general look, although I'm sure there are some that will complain it's too pink |
| 21:03.02 | Beladona | I would never send questionable content to your monitors |
| 21:03.16 | Beladona | at least not and give you time to react before logging |
| 21:03.20 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 21:03.21 | esp|Syn | "function arguments expected near 'gametooltip' |
| 21:03.22 | esp|Syn | meep |
| 21:03.50 | Cairenn | Beladona: you know damn well what I'm talking about, and thank you for not :p |
| 21:04.21 | esp|Syn | GameTooltip:AddLine("There will be some info here. i guess" , 0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.75, 1) |
| 21:04.31 | esp|Syn | i copied the line from the wiki.. |
| 21:04.31 | End | don't just guess |
| 21:04.36 | End | -know- |
| 21:04.42 | End | what's the line before it? |
| 21:04.49 | Shadowed | too pink! |
| 21:04.53 | Kirov | esp|Syn - you'll need to do a GameTooltip:Show() for it to appear |
| 21:04.59 | Beladona | I maintain my comment |
| 21:05.00 | Cairenn | called that one |
| 21:05.06 | Cairenn | Beladona: *snicker* |
| 21:05.16 | Beladona | I would never do something like that without leaving before you had time to kill me |
| 21:05.17 | esp|Syn | i have |
| 21:05.20 | esp|Syn | hold on |
| 21:05.21 | Beladona | hehe |
| 21:05.22 | Shadowed | haha |
| 21:06.05 | esp|Syn | http://pastebin.ca/86420 |
| 21:06.08 | esp|Syn | thats all of it |
| 21:06.17 | esp|Syn | omg |
| 21:06.19 | esp|Syn | ignore me |
| 21:06.24 | esp|Syn | just kill me now.. right now |
| 21:06.29 | Beladona | I think for fun one day I am going to put a dancing bannana on wdn - "It's peanut butter jelly time...." |
| 21:06.31 | Cairenn | *bang* |
| 21:06.41 | End | like I was saying |
| 21:06.49 | End | what's the line before it? :P |
| 21:07.13 | Kirov | esp|Syn - GameTooltip:SetText -- the goggles, they do nothing |
| 21:07.21 | Beladona | I do need an opinion about wdn though |
| 21:07.22 | esp|Syn | shh! lol |
| 21:07.24 | esp|Syn | i got it working |
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| 21:07.34 | esp|Syn | BUT.. why doesnt it go away.. :( |
| 21:07.34 | Beladona | do you guys prefer live releases to be colored and not gray? |
| 21:08.01 | Cairenn | Beladona: gave mine |
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| 21:08.29 | Kirov | grr |
| 21:08.33 | Iriel | Beladona : I'm not a mad fan of the color scheme, its a bit too muted (on my laptop monitor, admittedly) |
| 21:08.45 | Shadowed | Translation: it's too pink! |
| 21:08.47 | Iriel | Beladona : And please lose SOME of the italics |
| 21:08.55 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:08.55 | End | I liked the blue |
| 21:09.10 | End | mostly because the gray looks too gray |
| 21:09.11 | Kirov | I'd have to agree on the italics |
| 21:09.26 | esp|Syn | Iriel you a female personage? |
| 21:09.27 | Cairenn | zomg, the blue has to go |
| 21:09.28 | End | (too gray against the red I mean) |
| 21:09.33 | End | lies |
| 21:09.38 | Kirov | bold good, italics ... makes it harder to read |
| 21:09.42 | Cairenn | or else you have to change the font colour |
| 21:09.46 | Cairenn | can't see it at all |
| 21:09.47 | Iriel | Iriel is female, I'm not. Confusion abounds. |
| 21:10.02 | Cairenn | ewww, don't like the light blue |
| 21:10.06 | Iriel | Oh god, the blue is bad too |
| 21:10.11 | esp|Syn | right |
| 21:10.12 | Iriel | again, on my laptop |
| 21:10.16 | End | ahhhh |
| 21:10.23 | Cairenn | and the pink now looks ... ummm ... salmon? something ... yucky now |
| 21:10.28 | End | ok |
| 21:10.31 | Kirov | Italics are good for a single word or sentance that one wants to highlight, but when everything is italicised it just makes it hard to read |
| 21:10.31 | Iriel | I liked the light grey, personally |
| 21:10.37 | Cairenn | I agree |
| 21:10.43 | End | adding blue didn't help |
| 21:10.44 | esp|Syn | do i need to :hide the tooltip OnLeave? or something? |
| 21:10.46 | Iriel | if you go blue, then try and keep the same level of brightness |
| 21:10.51 | Cairenn | the pink you had previously wasn't terrible |
| 21:11.06 | Iriel | esp|Syn : I fyou want it to go away, you could, I believe the standard UI has a fading mechanism you could use. |
| 21:11.20 | Kirov | I hate that font's d |
| 21:11.24 | esp|Syn | id rather it just go instantly |
| 21:11.40 | Kirov | (wdn reads as "wan or w6n" |
| 21:12.05 | Cairenn | I don't mind the title font, looks good on my monitor |
| 21:12.16 | Cairenn | then again, I'm used to reading funky fonts |
| 21:12.25 | Beladona | well give me ideas then |
| 21:12.27 | End | font looks better at least |
| 21:12.34 | Beladona | I can't go too dark or it looks horrible |
| 21:12.40 | Beladona | it has to be a light highlight |
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| 21:13.34 | Beladona | I thought of a gold highlight for test servers |
| 21:13.47 | Beladona | and off white for normal |
| 21:14.19 | Kirov | a nice ivory or eggshell would look lovely with these curtains |
| 21:14.27 | Cairenn | Kirov: lol |
| 21:14.32 | Beladona | ~lart Kirov |
| 21:14.42 | Cairenn | ewwww |
| 21:14.50 | End | o_O |
| 21:15.10 | Beladona | bear in mind also when messing with the colors.... |
| 21:15.24 | Beladona | I am trying to keep a common color set for the main page, and detail pages |
| 21:15.41 | Beladona | ie., unchanged, inserted, changed, removed colors |
| 21:16.13 | Beladona | I gotta run home, but I will be on irc there, let me know what you want when I get back 0.o |
| 21:16.31 | esp|Syn | i think i love you |
| 21:16.35 | esp|Syn | really actually love you |
| 21:30.31 | Mikk1 | something with "ZOMG!" in it |
| 21:30.34 | Shadowed | hmmmm |
| 21:30.44 | Cairenn | bored, are we? |
| 21:30.52 | esp|Syn | ok |
| 21:30.59 | esp|Syn | this:GetText() didnt work |
| 21:31.01 | Shadowed | whats the rumor restricted to, API changes or genreal 1.12 changes? |
| 21:31.09 | Iriel | No, I just want to have fun with the people who're screaming about the inspect change. |
| 21:31.13 | Iriel | It'd be an API thing |
| 21:31.23 | Iriel | esp|Syn : How did the button's text get set in the first place? |
| 21:31.37 | Shadowed | You could say CheckInteractDistance was removed due to abuse |
| 21:31.37 | Mikk1 | Do buttons even have gettext? o.O |
| 21:31.56 | esp|Syn | Its set by the scrollbar onupdate |
| 21:32.04 | esp|Syn | getglobal("MyModEntry"..line.."_Text"):SetText(MyModData[lineplusoffset]); |
| 21:32.04 | Iriel | Mikk1 : Yes |
| 21:32.22 | Mikk1 | Ah right. It's SimpleHTML that doesn't have it |
| 21:32.56 | Shadowed | Iriel: I suggest something along the lines of a spell casting API change |
| 21:33.16 | Mikk1 | "spells can only be cast by macros" |
| 21:33.25 | Shadowed | thats not believable :p |
| 21:33.41 | Mikk1 | owait |
| 21:33.59 | Mikk1 | "Targetting other units now requires user input" |
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| 21:34.18 | esp|Syn | ok |
| 21:34.23 | Shadowed | Maybe something about SpellStopCasting() consuming a hardware event so you can't do POM + Trinket + Fireball macro |
| 21:34.28 | esp|Syn | the wiki seems to suggest GetName(this) |
| 21:34.34 | esp|Syn | however that dosnt work either |
| 21:35.00 | Thrae | esp|Syn: What are you trying to do again? |
| 21:35.06 | Iriel | Shadowed : I was thinking that too, yeah |
| 21:35.11 | esp|Syn | Get the current text of a button |
| 21:35.16 | wereHamster | Shadowed, that would be.. evil :-P |
| 21:35.17 | Iriel | Shadowed : A spellcasting thing, that is |
| 21:35.20 | Mikk1 | That's a wee bit boring though. |
| 21:35.27 | Mikk1 | Only mages are oging to get upset, really |
| 21:35.29 | Shadowed | SpellStopCasting would be a good way to make mages cry nerf |
| 21:35.31 | Iriel | that particular one isn't so far fetched, but slouken's said it wont happen |
| 21:35.38 | Shadowed | Mikk1: Mages, warlocks, shadow priests |
| 21:35.48 | Thrae | esp|Syn: ButtonObject:GetText() |
| 21:35.49 | Mikk1 | warlocks? |
| 21:35.53 | Shadowed | Iriel: The people who will complain about it wont know what slouken said :p |
| 21:35.56 | Iriel | I think his response was along the lines of "if people want to lock up their client while they cast multiple spells, then by all means let them" |
| 21:36.10 | Thrae | esp|Syn: Where "ButtonObject" is either the local you stored your button in, or its global name. |
| 21:36.27 | esp|Syn | thats guna cause problems |
| 21:36.39 | esp|Syn | cos they i need a seperate tooltip for each button |
| 21:36.42 | esp|Syn | then* |
| 21:36.56 | Mikk1 | you realize we're not following you at all? =) |
| 21:37.13 | Shadowed | Iriel: You could also say AcceptBattlefieldPort requires a hardware event to disable auto join mods |
| 21:37.16 | esp|Syn | me? |
| 21:37.33 | Thrae | esp|Syn: No you don't, not unless you want multiple tooltips on the screen at once. |
| 21:37.43 | esp|Syn | ok so now im lost |
| 21:38.14 | esp|Syn | how can i do that. when the tooltip is guna work for 5 diffrent buttons |
| 21:38.30 | esp|Syn | how will it know which button im hovering over? |
| 21:38.36 | Iriel | TargetByName will no longer work for players of the opposite faction.? |
| 21:38.48 | Mikk1 | ooooo |
| 21:38.49 | Shadowed | Iriel: ooo go with that |
| 21:39.00 | Iriel | esp|Syn | You can always do Button.someValue = "blah" in each button's OnLoad |
| 21:39.08 | Iriel | esp|Syn : Then access this.someValue in the OnEnter |
| 21:39.17 | esp|Syn | ahh oki :) |
| 21:39.27 | Mikk1 | you can also SetID() the buttons if you want to be UI-y |
| 21:39.27 | Thrae | esp|Syn: When you hide a tooltip, it's contents are automatically cleared. |
| 21:39.28 | esp|Syn | and ure joking on that TargetByName yeah? |
| 21:39.29 | Shadowed | It's believable, and it effects the most people |
| 21:39.31 | Shadowed | esp|Syn: yes |
| 21:39.38 | Cairenn | Iriel: nasty! |
| 21:39.54 | Cairenn | now, who to have plant the suggestion? |
| 21:40.02 | Shadowed | i'll do it! |
| 21:40.02 | Iriel | I can't do it because i'm light blue |
| 21:40.08 | Shadowed | Give me what you want me to post |
| 21:40.10 | Cairenn | if you post it, people will believe it's really for real |
| 21:40.24 | Shadowed | I'll just use one of my 60s i never play anymore with no sig :p |
| 21:40.39 | esp|Syn | Wait. are u joking Iriel |
| 21:40.43 | Shadowed | esp|Syn: yes |
| 21:40.48 | esp|Syn | thank god |
| 21:40.55 | Iriel | esp|Syn : You hope so, dont you? 8-) |
| 21:41.07 | esp|Syn | erm yes. cos otherwise my mod wudnt work :( |
| 21:41.16 | esp|Syn | and i spent ages making this.. litrally.. like 4 months now |
| 21:41.25 | Shadowed | The login server is down at the moment though, so no rush I suppose |
| 21:41.25 | Mikk1 | Iriel: It's obviously a winner. Go with it =) |
| 21:42.02 | Mikk1 | ooooh wait |
| 21:42.14 | Mikk1 | I can start the rumor over on the EU side |
| 21:42.18 | Mikk1 | And then you can reference it |
| 21:42.21 | Iriel | Actually It should be "for totems AND members of the opposite faction" |
| 21:42.27 | Mikk1 | Reference = credibility =) |
| 21:42.30 | Iriel | That'll really get on people's nerves |
| 21:42.34 | esp|Syn | wait |
| 21:42.43 | esp|Syn | i dont have an "onload" for my buttons |
| 21:42.48 | Iriel | So create one |
| 21:42.51 | Hexarobi | whats an if then else look like in lua? |
| 21:42.57 | Iriel | if blah then blah else blah end |
| 21:43.02 | Thrae | Mikk1: Oh hey, forgot to mention -- I added that option you wanted to TinyTip. The extra tooltip that hooks GameTooltip:AddLine and GameTooltip:AddDoubleLine. |
| 21:43.06 | Iriel | for an appropriate collection of blah |
| 21:43.11 | Hexarobi | i tried if value then statements else statements end |
| 21:43.16 | Mikk1 | Thrae: YAY! =) |
| 21:43.21 | Mikk1 | Now I just gotta start playing again =) |
| 21:43.35 | Iriel | i.e. : if x then y() else z() end |
| 21:43.36 | esp|Syn | Ok tell me something. do any of u have odd things u do while coding ? like something u watch? |
| 21:43.56 | Shadowed | Iriel: You could say something along the lines of "TargetByName() will be restricted to targetting members of your faction", that way you also include stuff like pets |
| 21:43.56 | Mikk1 | #wowi-lounge :-P |
| 21:43.56 | esp|Syn | i HAVE to watch west wing when coding.. god help me when i finish them all |
| 21:43.56 | Hexarobi | it gives me an error on the else line, saying it was expecting then |
| 21:44.04 | Iriel | I can't post it, because it'll draw TOO much attention |
| 21:44.05 | Thrae | Although Devla reported having problems with MI2, even though it worked for me. I'm thinking of going back to using my own custom frame other then GameTooltip. |
| 21:44.07 | Hexarobi | haha, im a west wing coder too |
| 21:44.21 | Shadowed | Iriel: I already told you, i'll post it if you write up what you want posted :p |
| 21:44.28 | Thrae | GameTooltip is such an evil, hacked-together frame concept. |
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| 21:44.37 | Iriel | I'm trying to think of a good context for it to post in |
| 21:45.32 | Shadowed | Well, it's a PVP related change. So you can try something along the lines of preventing sentry mods that say when you're targetted |
| 21:45.42 | Kirkburn | Try pink? I think a pink context looks nice :) |
| 21:45.58 | Iriel | something like "I heard from <insert plausible but tenuous link here, like 'friend' or 'classmate'> who was asking for technical help on an addon that blizzard will be restricting TargetUnit to not work for totems, pets, or members of the opposite faction in 1.12, has anyone else heard this?' |
| 21:46.41 | Shadowed | Mikk1 can post on EU forums, then I could post an hour or so later linking to his post |
| 21:46.48 | Kirkburn | I heard World of Warcraft was being shut down tomorrow. I think my hamster told my cousin on thursday. |
| 21:47.26 | zenzio | you wouldn't gain much credibility if your hamster would rather tell your cousin than you Kirk |
| 21:47.41 | End | well, nobody trusts Kirk |
| 21:47.48 | End | so his hamster snubbed him |
| 21:48.24 | Mikk1 | Hmm.. need a silly-enough topic that some blue won't end up clicking it |
| 21:48.36 | esp|Syn | btw |
| 21:48.41 | esp|Syn | buttons dont have SetID() |
| 21:48.43 | zenzio | BLIZZZ READ PLZ!! |
| 21:48.43 | Shadowed | Maybe we should post it on the US forums and have somebody email slouken telling him :p |
| 21:48.44 | esp|Syn | apprently |
| 21:48.49 | Mikk1 | zenzio: laf |
| 21:49.12 | Thrae | GameTooltip is such an evil, hacked-together frame concept. |
| 21:49.20 | Thrae | What? |
| 21:49.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252) |
| 21:49.38 | Thrae | Interesting, what I just typed turned into a previous statement. Must have hit an arrow key by mistake. |
| 21:49.56 | Thrae | If you really want to start a non-UI related rumor, say "I called Blizzard and asked about moving my payment date to Fridays, and the rep. there told me that they'll be moving the maintenance day to Fridays, 3pm PST, so that'd be a bad day to pick." |
| 21:50.16 | esp|Syn | Iriel i think i mis-understand you |
| 21:50.20 | Shadowed | But starting an API related rumor right after the inspect change would be more fun |
| 21:50.27 | esp|Syn | Button.someValue = "bleh" |
| 21:50.31 | snurre | just don't make me post anything.. since the new EU CM is a long-term RL friend of mine, he has a tendency to stalk me on forums and lock all threads i troll in :p |
| 21:50.34 | esp|Syn | what would bleh be? and how would this help me? |
| 21:50.59 | Shadowed | I like Iriel's suggestion of TargetByName only working for your own faction because it would be a strict PVP nerf |
| 21:51.17 | End | yeah, that's how you "fix" pvp ;p |
| 21:51.21 | snurre | yesplx.. no more /target snurre macros! :( |
| 21:51.45 | Mikk1 | ahhh "question" <- nice topic |
| 21:51.48 | snurre | ./target is a nightmare for profiled pvp'ers :/ |
| 21:52.06 | Shadowed | yes, yes it is |
| 21:52.24 | Tem | are the forums really really screwed up for anyone else? |
| 21:52.26 | Shadowed | Mikk1: Now come up with a title i can use :p |
| 21:52.30 | Shadowed | Tem: Login server down! |
| 21:52.37 | Tem | Shadowed, no no |
| 21:52.38 | snurre | Tem: aren't they always? |
| 21:52.42 | Shadowed | Thinking something like "1.12 API change?" |
| 21:53.03 | zenzio | by the way, did they fix the raid info window popping up in 1.11.2? |
| 21:53.06 | Thrae | OK, how about this then as well -- "Someone I know who knows a friend who has a cousin that is dating someone at Blizzard said that they talked to slouken, who mentioned in passing that a future update will change the way RegisterEvent works so that you can no longer call RegisterEvent from a Frame object. Instead, it'll be a global function where you can optionally give a Frame to register the event to." |
| 21:53.23 | Iriel | You can't say 'talked to slouken' -- too easy to invalidate |
| 21:53.29 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 21:53.36 | Thrae | OK, "talked to someone in dev" ;) |
| 21:53.45 | Cairenn | same problem |
| 21:53.48 | Iriel | And it's got to be a change that you could think of someone doing |
| 21:53.49 | Shadowed | "Someone I know who knows somebody at Blizzard said" |
| 21:53.51 | Mikk1 | Shadowed: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-en&ThreadID=49853 |
| 21:54.07 | Hexarobi | whooooot my addon is getting close to being done! the main function is workin |
| 21:54.14 | End | nice Mikk1 |
| 21:54.18 | End | or shall we say... |
| 21:54.20 | Cairenn | lol, and high enough level that folks won't automatically scream troll |
| 21:54.21 | End | FEETH |
| 21:54.25 | Thrae | Although I for one would welcome that change I just mentioned...no more "EventFrame" objects ;) |
| 21:54.26 | Hexarobi | how do i send chat output to the currently selected chat type, like say, guild, group etc |
| 21:54.35 | Hexarobi | right now im using my own editbox, but it always does say |
| 21:54.36 | Mikk1 | End: Haven't played that toon for a year =) |
| 21:54.36 | Iriel | esp|Syn : It's whatever you want it to be, you said your problem was knowing WHICH button was entered. |
| 21:54.38 | Shadowed | Mikk1: Make the login server come back up so i can link to it |
| 21:54.43 | Thrae | Except, of course, not in such a way it would break 99% of addons, heh. |
| 21:54.49 | End | Mikk1, you'll always be Feethy to me now |
| 21:54.57 | esp|Syn | Yes, because for some reason this:GetText dosnt work |
| 21:55.01 | Mikk1 | purl, bugger Loginserver |
| 21:55.04 | purl | ACTION grabs hold of the Eiffel tower, dips it in Tabasco and fresh metal shavings, and asks Loginserver to please bend over. |
| 21:55.08 | Cairenn | >< |
| 21:55.16 | Shadowed | run Mikk1 run |
| 21:55.32 | Cairenn | ~ban Mikk1 |
| 21:55.35 | Iriel | Mikk1: If the typo was deliberate, then it's a nice touch |
| 21:56.04 | Mikk1 | It wasn't actually, but I noticed it and deliberately didn't fix it =) |
| 21:56.09 | Iriel | And the EU forum is an awesome place to start the rumor fire |
| 21:56.20 | Tem | http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wtfforums7xu.jpg |
| 21:56.21 | Shadowed | I'll post linking to it from US in about an hour or so |
| 21:56.29 | Iriel | Ideally we need it to get some momentum on EU _THEN_ link it from US |
| 21:57.05 | Shadowed | Iriel: Think I should go for an actual post or just basically linking to it saying is this true? |
| 21:57.06 | Tem | are you intentionally starting a bad rumor? |
| 21:57.09 | End | Tem, your computer is on crack. |
| 21:57.12 | Iriel | Tem: yes. |
| 21:57.12 | Shadowed | Tem: Yes we are |
| 21:57.15 | End | maybe |
| 21:57.27 | End | maybe it's a good rumor |
| 21:57.31 | End | did you ever consider THAT? |
| 21:57.33 | Tem | can I ask why? |
| 21:57.33 | Iriel | Shadowed : I think the tone should be kind of 'oh no, this will suck, is it true?' |
| 21:57.40 | Shadowed | good idea |
| 21:57.43 | Iriel | Tem: Because of the whining about inspect |
| 21:57.49 | Tem | >< |
| 21:57.50 | Cairenn | Tem: because they're bored :p |
| 21:57.56 | Shadowed | what should i go for in title you think? Debating between "change?" or "1.12 change?" |
| 21:57.59 | Tem | worst |
| 21:58.01 | Tem | change |
| 21:58.02 | Tem | ever. |
| 21:58.04 | Mikk1 | Because we're the Lumber Cartel and we CAN!!!!!111 |
| 21:58.04 | Shadowed | [29:48] * @Iriel tries to think of a good 1.12 rumor to start to spread. Something that's just within the bounds of possibility. |
| 21:58.08 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/wdn.jpg |
| 21:58.30 | zenzio | Shadowed: "1.12 to ruin pvp!??!!" |
| 21:58.37 | Mikk1 | ooo nice topic |
| 21:58.39 | Shadowed | ooo |
| 21:58.40 | Shadowed | you win |
| 21:58.52 | Cairenn | you need caps and more ?!?! |
| 21:58.58 | Shadowed | well it has to be believable |
| 21:59.00 | Iriel | the followups will provide that |
| 21:59.01 | Thrae | Ooo, I know. Register a Google Blog and make fake posts about your time with World of Warcraft, then make a reference in passing in the blog. Then use a differently-named alt to reference the blog. |
| 21:59.03 | End | !?!?!??!?!??!?!?!?!?! <-- like that? |
| 21:59.05 | Iriel | we shouldn't provide hysteria |
| 21:59.05 | Thrae | We all know blogs are ALWAYS true. |
| 21:59.08 | Iriel | we should just foster it |
| 21:59.23 | Shadowed | The problem will be if slouken catches on |
| 21:59.26 | Cairenn | you do realize Slouken is going to kill you guys :p |
| 21:59.28 | End | but, hysteria is so...hysterical! |
| 21:59.33 | Mikk1 | muaha =) |
| 21:59.41 | Iriel | I'm tempted to tip him off |
| 21:59.48 | Shadowed | do it |
| 21:59.58 | End | Cairenn, do you know, will slouken slow roast us? or will he use some other mechinism |
| 22:00.02 | Cairenn | *thinks you are all rather slow* |
| 22:00.07 | Tem | strange |
| 22:00.11 | AnduinLothar | did i miss somehting juicey? |
| 22:00.14 | Tem | after I restarted FF, it looks fine |
| 22:00.18 | Cairenn | they're starting rumours |
| 22:00.24 | AnduinLothar | oic, about what? |
| 22:00.24 | Shadowed | AnduinLothar: we're creating a rumor that TargetByName will only work for players of the same faction |
| 22:00.28 | Shadowed | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-en&ThreadID=49853 |
| 22:00.38 | AnduinLothar | and why are we doign this? |
| 22:00.47 | Shadowed | boredom |
| 22:00.48 | End | because Iriel was bored |
| 22:00.54 | End | (I'm blaming Iriel here) |
| 22:01.06 | AnduinLothar | how bout we conspire to get random QA people fired.. |
| 22:01.23 | End | whyzat? |
| 22:01.28 | Hexarobi | rofl |
| 22:01.31 | AnduinLothar | I can provide names.. |
| 22:01.37 | Tem | but, AL, we already got you fired |
| 22:01.38 | End | names huh... |
| 22:01.40 | Kirov | hmm |
| 22:01.46 | Cairenn | because he's still pissed off about them firing him? |
| 22:02.25 | Mikk1 | ooooohhhh |
| 22:02.40 | AnduinLothar | well not really pissed, but it might be fun none the less |
| 22:02.41 | Mikk1 | would do nicely with a name in a blog post =) |
| 22:02.54 | Mikk1 | bit evil though ;) |
| 22:03.15 | AnduinLothar | they fire QA people all the time I've found... esp if they think you're a liability |
| 22:03.46 | AnduinLothar | they don't even let you go to company-wide meetings untill you've been there a year |
| 22:04.03 | Shadowed | Hmm, level 10 or level 60 to post with? |
| 22:04.11 | Mikk1 | 60 |
| 22:04.14 | Mikk1 | a 10 wouldn't care about pvp |
| 22:04.34 | Shadowed | login server needs to come back |
| 22:04.47 | esp|Syn | ok |
| 22:04.58 | Thrae | Company-wide meetings are usually held together by managers anyway, saying stuff like "OK we're doing this good quarter, but we need to remain proactive and make sure we stay true to our paradigm." |
| 22:05.27 | esp|Syn | so.. i did MyMod_OnEnter("MyModEntry1"); and used function MyMod_OnEnter(button) local Text = button:GetText(); |
| 22:05.33 | esp|Syn | and that still didnt work |
| 22:05.57 | Kirov | Because you need to pass the object, not a text string |
| 22:06.03 | Tem | Iriel, as much as the whining annoys me, I have to agree somewhat. This 'fix' seems very bizare to me. |
| 22:06.05 | Mikk1 | Hmm.. any other europeans here? My post could sure do with an "OMg, that'd suck so hard. Thought I have no problem seeing it happen =(" |
| 22:06.08 | Kirov | MyMod_OnEnter(MyModEntry1); |
| 22:06.14 | esp|Syn | tried that |
| 22:06.16 | esp|Syn | it failed |
| 22:06.22 | Iriel | Tem: as noted it's a known bug that's been acknowledged since 1.9 |
| 22:06.34 | Iriel | They could easily have brought on new developers and given them easy bugs to fix to get them used to the codebase |
| 22:06.49 | Kirov | esp|Syn - do a /dump MyModEntry1:GetText() |
| 22:06.50 | Iriel | I'm certain slouken wasn't the one who fixed the bug, based on his response to my asking if the fix was deliberate. |
| 22:06.56 | Kirov | then /dump MyModEntry1Text:GetText() |
| 22:07.05 | esp|Syn | empty result |
| 22:07.25 | Tem | I dunno, the whining sucks, but I hope they revert or do more than double the inspect range |
| 22:07.26 | Shadowed | Tem: It's basically a PVP fix not really a PVE one anyway, so I could see it being somewhat believable for those that use the sentry type things |
| 22:07.39 | Tem | how does it effect pvp at all? |
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| 22:07.56 | Shadowed | totems, pets, opposing faction = PVP change |
| 22:08.02 | Tem | you already can't inspect people of the opposing faction |
| 22:08.04 | Mikk1 | tem was talking about inspect |
| 22:08.08 | Shadowed | oh inspecting |
| 22:08.14 | Mikk1 | the real change ya know =) |
| 22:08.15 | Shadowed | talking about this the targetbyname thing |
| 22:08.47 | Tem | anyway, I can live with a smaller inspect range. It will just be annoying |
| 22:08.59 | Tem | I do have a question, though. |
| 22:09.00 | esp|Syn | ive always used the default |
| 22:09.14 | Tem | Has anyone tried to set a PlayerModel recently? |
| 22:10.05 | Tem | I haven't checked the code yet, but an addon I'm using for inspecting typically shows a playermodel. It's model is now naked with the exception of weapons, shoulders, cloak and helm |
| 22:10.12 | esp|Syn | oh and Kirov /dump MyModEntry1Text:GetText() didnt work |
| 22:10.21 | Tem | so, |
| 22:10.21 | esp|Syn | didnt even say "empty result" |
| 22:10.31 | Kirkburn | Why poke me? :( |
| 22:10.35 | zenzio | Tem: sounds like the Dressing Room |
| 22:10.38 | Shadowed | Tem: It seems to be some sort of general bug, it happens on the dressing room frame |
| 22:10.43 | Tem | boo |
| 22:10.43 | Mikk1 | Kirkburn: You need to post a followup to my thread =) |
| 22:10.44 | zenzio | I appear like that until I change an armor piece |
| 22:10.53 | Tem | I hope that gets fixed in 1.12 |
| 22:11.04 | Mikk1 | Kirkburn: "OMg that'd suck so hard for PvP... I can see it happening though =(" would do nicely =) |
| 22:11.30 | Kirkburn | I disappeared to have some supper :) I'll catch up in a sec =P |
| 22:11.38 | Hexarobi | anybody know how to send chat messages to the current chat channel? or an addon that does it that i can look at? |
| 22:11.44 | Mikk1 | Kirkburn: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-en&ThreadID=49853 |
| 22:12.10 | Kirov | Hexarobi - define current chat channel |
| 22:12.23 | Hexarobi | like say, guild, group |
| 22:12.41 | Hexarobi | right now ive defined a local editbox and sending chat thru it, but it always goes to say |
| 22:12.42 | Kirov | The last one you spoke in? |
| 22:12.46 | Hexarobi | yes |
| 22:13.04 | Kirov | Hexarobi - you'll need to check WoW's code |
| 22:13.05 | Mikk1 | Look at ChatFrame.lua in FrameXML. It remembers the last channel used somewhere. |
| 22:13.07 | esp|Syn | ok.. so why is button:GetText() broken? |
| 22:13.28 | Iriel | esp|Syn ; Did you give your button a font? |
| 22:13.30 | Kirov | esp|Syn - did you try MyModEntry1Text:GetText() |
| 22:13.36 | esp|Syn | yes Kirov |
| 22:13.38 | esp|Syn | i didnt work atall |
| 22:13.45 | Kirov | Is the button showing text? |
| 22:13.47 | esp|Syn | not even "empty result" |
| 22:13.49 | esp|Syn | yes it is |
| 22:13.53 | esp|Syn | and no i didnt give it a font |
| 22:14.12 | Kirov | esp|Syn - can you post your xml? |
| 22:14.15 | Kirov | on pastbin |
| 22:14.15 | End | if you are inheriting from something, that something is probably giving it a font |
| 22:14.17 | esp|Syn | yep |
| 22:14.28 | esp|Syn | ok end let me check the template |
| 22:14.45 | End | well, your template -you- made, is probably inheriting as well |
| 22:14.56 | esp|Syn | <FontString name="$parent_Text" inherits="GameFontHighlight" wraponspaces="false" justifyH="LEFT" text="entry"/> |
| 22:15.10 | End | _Text? |
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| 22:15.34 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Beladona] by ChanServ |
| 22:15.40 | Shadowed | wb |
| 22:15.41 | Beladona | hola |
| 22:15.43 | esp|Syn | its so getglobal("MyModEntry"..line.."_Text"):SetText(MyModData[lineplusoffset]); works |
| 22:15.45 | End | hallo! |
| 22:15.47 | esp|Syn | i guess.. |
| 22:15.52 | Cairenn | wb Beladona |
| 22:16.07 | End | well |
| 22:16.13 | Kirov | esp|Syn - so, :GetText on that |
| 22:16.25 | End | you probably want MyModEntry1_Text:GetText() then |
| 22:16.33 | esp|Syn | ah.. |
| 22:16.51 | esp|Syn | that works ! :D |
| 22:16.55 | End | incidently, are you using some addon that hides error messages? |
| 22:17.05 | esp|Syn | not that i know of |
| 22:17.07 | esp|Syn | why? |
| 22:17.09 | Shadowed | Icecrown where are you! |
| 22:17.19 | End | I'm trying to figure out why /dump blah wasn't returning -anything- from you |
| 22:17.23 | End | er, to you |
| 22:17.28 | esp|Syn | 2 secs |
| 22:17.30 | esp|Syn | the first one did |
| 22:17.33 | esp|Syn | the second just said |
| 22:18.00 | esp|Syn | Devtools : value=MyModEntry1Text:GetText() |
| 22:18.04 | esp|Syn | with nothing esle |
| 22:18.05 | esp|Syn | else* |
| 22:18.45 | Hexarobi | chatFrame.editBox.chatType = "SAY"; |
| 22:18.49 | Hexarobi | err |
| 22:19.11 | Hexarobi | chatFrame.editBox.stickyType == "PARTY" |
| 22:19.13 | Hexarobi | hmm one of those |
| 22:19.24 | Shadowed | ChatType probably |
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| 22:20.32 | Kirov | chatType is the current, stickyType is the last one sent |
| 22:20.45 | Mikk1 | End / esp|Syn: "MyModEntry1Text" vs "MyModEntry1_Text" ... _NOT_ the same thing. |
| 22:21.00 | End | oh, I know that |
| 22:21.01 | Iriel | WTB Login Server - PST |
| 22:21.05 | End | but it should give an error message |
| 22:21.09 | Mikk1 | ... point =) |
| 22:21.15 | End | not vanish into the dark beyond :P |
| 22:21.20 | Mikk1 | unless iriel suppresses them |
| 22:21.30 | End | Iriel doesn't suppress them |
| 22:21.33 | Mikk1 | mkay |
| 22:21.37 | Iriel | The /dump command uses a standard message() to pop up errors |
| 22:21.38 | Shadowed | Iriel: :( |
| 22:21.39 | End | I know because I use /dump to test my error frame :P |
| 22:21.44 | Iriel | So you're hiding or breaking them somewhere |
| 22:22.04 | Mikk1 | probably message() re-pointed to something else then |
| 22:22.08 | Shadowed | "Our current, rough ETA is 11:59 PM PDT for the realms to return to service. We will update in an hour, when we should have new information available and are closer to a resolution. |
| 22:22.10 | Shadowed | :/ |
| 22:22.37 | Mikk1 | .... erm that's far away |
| 22:22.49 | Kirov | wow |
| 22:22.52 | Hexarobi | ok, so i want to set my local editbox's chattype to the stickytype, how do i reference the main chat frame's stickytype? ChatFrame.stickyFrame? |
| 22:23.03 | Tem | Shadowed, ? |
| 22:23.05 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9033231 |
| 22:23.06 | Tem | that all realms? |
| 22:23.09 | Tem | please say no |
| 22:23.09 | esp|Syn | ok.. how do i combine a var and a string? |
| 22:23.13 | Shadowed | About 10 realms |
| 22:23.14 | End | Tem: I don't think so |
| 22:23.14 | Tem | we're supposed to do Chromag tonight |
| 22:23.19 | Tem | Chromag and nef |
| 22:23.21 | Mikk1 | Hexarobi: Don't even bother with your own editbox. Just SendChatMessage() it |
| 22:23.21 | Hexarobi | var.."string" |
| 22:23.26 | Shadowed | Tem depends what server you're on |
| 22:23.26 | Tem | so that sunday is free for AQ |
| 22:23.29 | esp|Syn | ok |
| 22:23.41 | Shadowed | We're suppose to be clearing to thaddius tonight :/ |
| 22:23.44 | Mikk1 | Unless you want to be able to edit stuff of course =) |
| 22:25.12 | Shadowed | slouken is cheating, he can still post |
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| 22:25.26 | esp|Syn | local Text = this.."_text":GetText(); |
| 22:25.27 | Hexarobi | SendChatMessage() does say too |
| 22:25.27 | esp|Syn | woudl that work? |
| 22:26.03 | Kirov | esp|Syn - no |
| 22:26.08 | esp|Syn | didnt think so |
| 22:26.15 | Kaso | esp|syn -> getglobal(this.."_text"):GetText() |
| 22:26.26 | Kaso | atttually that wouldnt work either |
| 22:26.32 | esp|Syn | oh erm |
| 22:26.35 | Kirov | esp|Syn - text = getglobal(this:GetName().."_text"):GetText() |
| 22:26.46 | Kaso | yes, ^ that'd work :> |
| 22:26.59 | esp|Syn | damn.. im glad u guys are heling 0-0 |
| 22:27.03 | esp|Syn | helping* |
| 22:27.08 | Kirkburn | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-en&ThreadID=49856 |
| 22:27.24 | Shadowed | Kirkburn: sig |
| 22:27.43 | Kirkburn | I care not :P It gives it more validity :D |
| 22:27.56 | Shadowed | it's also totally unlike you if you look at your post history :p |
| 22:28.04 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 22:28.24 | Kirkburn | Well, I'm dumbstruck by it ... Mikk, I mean Feeth has got some important info there ... |
| 22:28.49 | esp|Syn | ok guys |
| 22:28.53 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: you really do need to poof the sig, otherwise folks ask why didn't you just post on your main |
| 22:29.03 | Shadowed | Cairenn: he did |
| 22:29.07 | Kirkburn | It is my main :( |
| 22:29.13 | esp|Syn | that line gives "attempt to index al nil value" |
| 22:29.14 | Cairenn | ah |
| 22:29.20 | Shadowed | you're suppose to post with a level 1 banker alt or something |
| 22:29.21 | Cairenn | sorry, disregard me then |
| 22:29.32 | Kirkburn | I could never disregard you :) |
| 22:29.43 | Cairenn | more the fool you |
| 22:30.18 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 22:30.21 | Kirkburn | <-- such a jester |
| 22:30.27 | Shadowed | Remove the "oMG" and it's more believable |
| 22:30.38 | Kirkburn | I just copied what Mikk told me to write :P |
| 22:30.51 | Shadowed | Mikk probably didn't think you'd post on your main with a signature enabled :p |
| 22:31.28 | Kirkburn | I've 'anglicised' it |
| 22:31.38 | esp|Syn | ok |
| 22:31.45 | esp|Syn | text = getglobal(this:GetName().."_text"):GetText() part of that is nil |
| 22:31.47 | esp|Syn | apparently |
| 22:31.49 | Iriel | "Cripes", nice. |
| 22:31.50 | Shadowed | much better |
| 22:31.57 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 22:32.03 | esp|Syn | lol |
| 22:32.04 | esp|Syn | nice |
| 22:32.04 | Shadowed | Login needs to come back up on the login forums now |
| 22:32.10 | Shadowed | s/login forums/US forums/ |
| 22:33.05 | Hexarobi | anyone know how to reference the main chatframe? im trying stuff like ChatFrame1_EditBox.stickyType; |
| 22:33.34 | Shadowed | ChatFrame1:EditBox.stickyType |
| 22:33.34 | Mikk1 | read framexml |
| 22:33.50 | Mikk1 | hardly ":" |
| 22:33.57 | Shadowed | I can still make stuff up! |
| 22:33.58 | Kirov | yeah, I was gunna say |
| 22:34.11 | Mikk1 | Isn't just a single editbox? |
| 22:34.15 | Mikk1 | Just read FrameXML and find out |
| 22:34.24 | Hexarobi | SoundShare_EditBox.chatType = ChatFrame1.stickyType; |
| 22:34.25 | Mikk1 | You found where it's being set |
| 22:34.37 | Hexarobi | doesnt error, but doesnt get the stickyType right either |
| 22:34.44 | Hexarobi | ya |
| 22:34.50 | Hexarobi | but its all referenced with this. |
| 22:34.55 | Hexarobi | this.stickyType |
| 22:35.01 | Mikk1 | check where it's getting called from |
| 22:35.04 | Kirov | so, what's calling that function |
| 22:35.21 | Mikk1 | at the top level, it'll be a call in an XML file |
| 22:35.23 | Mikk1 | inside an element |
| 22:35.27 | Mikk1 | with a name you'll want to know =P |
| 22:35.32 | Kirov | "this" is whatever frame called the function |
| 22:35.57 | Mikk1 | Or, you use /dtframestack and mouse over the editbox |
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| 22:36.02 | Mikk1 | And it tells you its name |
| 22:36.05 | Mikk1 | That works too =P |
| 22:36.12 | Hexarobi | ChatFrameEditBoxTemplate |
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| 22:36.36 | Kirkburn | Mmm, alts: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-en&t=49853 |
| 22:36.39 | Mikk1 | Ok that won't work because it's a template |
| 22:36.42 | Kirov | Hexarobi - see line 1527 of ChatFrame.lua |
| 22:36.57 | Hexarobi | <EditBox name="ChatFrameEditBox" inherits="ChatFrameEditBoxTemplate" parent="UIParent"> |
| 22:37.44 | Kirkburn | Ooh, do you think it would be too obvious to say 'I heard it on an IRC channel last night' |
| 22:37.51 | Cairenn | yes |
| 22:37.52 | Hexarobi | kirov, that still refrences chatFrame, a local var thats passed |
| 22:37.53 | Shadowed | Who's alt is that? :p |
| 22:37.55 | Kirkburn | =P |
| 22:38.15 | Shadowed | slouken would probably realize it was us as soon as he saw it was said in IRC |
| 22:38.21 | Kirkburn | I most certainly don't have an alt on Aerie Peak called Faleya ... er, no, wait. I do. |
| 22:38.25 | Cairenn | well, unless you blame quakenet or something |
| 22:38.28 | Kirkburn | I must have been haxxored |
| 22:38.44 | Kirov | interesting - " No, whisper addon communication isn't encouraged." |
| 22:39.07 | Hexarobi | yay got it =) |
| 22:39.10 | Kirov | slouken isn't down with the p2p |
| 22:39.13 | Hexarobi | SoundShare_EditBox.chatType = ChatFrameEditBox.stickyType; |
| 22:39.13 | esp|Syn | Guys that line you gave me. the one i cant understand.. it give a error i cant understand aswell |
| 22:39.19 | Kirkburn | "I heard it on an IRC channel last night that totally wasn't the wowi one at all" |
| 22:39.25 | End | lol |
| 22:39.33 | Hexarobi | hahaha |
| 22:40.09 | Kirov | hexarobi - DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME.editBox.stickyType is the line you actually want |
| 22:41.25 | Hexarobi | thx |
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| 22:42.02 | Kirov | Hexarobi - line 1527 of ChatFrame.lua gives that to you |
| 22:42.06 | Kirkburn | Someone linked their WoW wiki ... on the wowwiki. Odd: http://fullwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=World+of+Warcraft |
| 22:42.36 | Kirov | lol |
| 22:43.36 | End | it's full of stubs too... |
| 22:43.50 | Iriel | Oh my god, it's full of stubs! |
| 22:43.53 | Shadowed | Blizzard has lost the account management page! |
| 22:43.59 | Kirkburn | Cripes, would you look at all those stubs |
| 22:44.09 | End | OMg, so many stubs!!? |
| 22:44.32 | Kirkburn | Where did they last see it, Shadowed? |
| 22:44.38 | Iriel | 2006 a wiki odyssey |
| 22:44.39 | Kirkburn | It might be behind the sofa |
| 22:44.43 | Shadowed | Dying a horrible death |
| 22:45.37 | End | hmm, good thing I didn't wait to add my gamecard |
| 22:46.02 | Kirov | zomg, wow is falling apart! |
| 22:46.25 | End | incidently |
| 22:46.32 | End | that 404 page is artifically generated |
| 22:46.42 | End | for example: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account-HAXOR/ |
| 22:46.51 | End | different not found page |
| 22:47.23 | Kirov | well |
| 22:47.25 | Kirkburn | stwange |
| 22:47.40 | Iriel | It could easily be that the 404 page is sent to a different server |
| 22:47.47 | End | could be |
| 22:47.48 | Kirov | They appear to load their menu and pages as two peices |
| 22:47.55 | End | that seems fairly likely |
| 22:48.03 | Kirov | The menu exists on the accounts page, the other doesn't |
| 22:48.05 | Shadowed | login sever still down an hour later :/ |
| 22:48.08 | End | although |
| 22:48.15 | End | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/HAXOR/ |
| 22:48.30 | End | whatever it is, it's very specific to /account/ |
| 22:48.58 | Kirov | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/pwnzor.html - and yet |
| 22:49.02 | End | ahhh |
| 22:49.10 | End | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/character-copy.html |
| 22:49.37 | Mikk1 | http://fullwiki.com/tiki-view_forum.php?forumId=1 |
| 22:49.44 | End | oh wait, I lied |
| 22:49.46 | esp|Syn | guys, im really sorry to be a pain in the ass, as usual, but i just cant get this line to work |
| 22:50.13 | End | it's matching *.html, /account/ and a few other things |
| 22:50.23 | End | *.xml also gives a different error message |
| 22:50.32 | Kaso | esp|Syn: which ? |
| 22:50.43 | Kirov | esp|Syn - You're doing a set text, yes? |
| 22:50.58 | Kirov | Do a GetText() on the same thing |
| 22:51.05 | esp|Syn | text = getglobal(this:GetName().."_text"):GetText() |
| 22:51.07 | End | however, nonexistant directories do generate the white not found page |
| 22:51.19 | Kirkburn | Mikk1, ? |
| 22:51.20 | esp|Syn | i tried that too kirov |
| 22:51.39 | End | anyways, off I go |
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| 22:51.56 | Mikk1 | I just tried pointing out to whoever is running the wiki that .. umm.. it's been done |
| 22:51.59 | Kirov | esp|Syn - try this, on that line of code stick ChatFrame1:AddMessage(this:GetName()) |
| 22:51.59 | esp|Syn | text = getglobal(this:GetName().."_text"):GetText() - error "Attempt to index a nil value" |
| 22:52.15 | End-afk | Try _Text |
| 22:52.20 | End-afk | after all |
| 22:52.23 | Shadowed | Iriel: how are you able to post! :( |
| 22:52.27 | End-afk | wasn't your _Text capitalized? |
| 22:52.28 | Kirkburn | Might have been him that linked it on the [[fansites]] page |
| 22:52.39 | esp|Syn | yes |
| 22:52.41 | esp|Syn | hrm |
| 22:52.53 | Kirov | everything in lua is case sensitive |
| 22:53.28 | Tem | did anyone get the patch notes for the ptr? |
| 22:53.32 | Tem | or were they ever up? |
| 22:53.44 | Kirkburn | Identical to the final notes afaik |
| 22:53.52 | Kirkburn | See the wiki patch notes page for them |
| 22:54.08 | esp|Syn | odd |
| 22:54.20 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_1.11.2_%28Release_Notes%29 |
| 22:54.26 | esp|Syn | Unable to concatinate global Text ( a nil value) |
| 22:54.44 | esp|Syn | but notice the capital T :/ |
| 22:54.46 | Tem | Kirkburn, not 1.11.2 |
| 22:54.47 | Tem | 1.12 |
| 22:54.53 | Tem | or 0.12 I should say |
| 22:55.16 | Kirkburn | Have I missed something? 0.12 ptr? |
| 22:55.34 | Tuplad | http://users.telenet.be/tuplad/cbevis.txt <- is this possible ? |
| 22:56.33 | esp|Syn | btw Kirov ChatFrame1:AddMessage(this:GetName()) gives "MyModEntry1" |
| 22:56.45 | Tuplad | basically what Im trying to do is, make out of line 2 3 4 5 a function and bind it to a slash command |
| 22:57.28 | Mikk1 | Tuplad: There's several mods that do that already |
| 22:57.37 | Kirov | esp|Syn - try /dump MyModEntry1 |
| 22:57.39 | Mikk1 | Start with googling for LazyRogue |
| 22:57.44 | Kirov | see what kind of stuff shows up |
| 22:58.46 | esp|Syn | damn i wish i could copypaste the wow chat |
| 22:58.46 | esp|Syn | its odd stuff |
| 22:58.46 | Tuplad | Mikk1: you mean I should use it or look at the code ? |
| 23:00.31 | esp|Syn | MymodEntry1={ [0]=<UserData MyModEntry1[0]> |
| 23:00.36 | esp|Syn | thats what it is Kirov |
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| 23:03.07 | Kirov | esp|Syn - that's all that it outputs? |
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| 23:04.49 | esp|Syn | yes |
| 23:04.57 | esp|Syn | i also did /dump MyModEntry1_text |
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| 23:05.06 | esp|Syn | and got the same but with _Text in there |
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| 23:06.17 | Legorol | g'evening |
| 23:06.22 | Legorol | Iriel, do you happen to be around? |
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| 23:06.31 | Legorol | 1.11.2 introduced a twist to the API scanning |
| 23:07.01 | Cairenn | hi Legorol |
| 23:07.03 | Legorol | it is my impression that UnitInParty is now both an internal API function, as well as defined in the Blizzard Lua |
| 23:07.31 | AnduinLothar | it is? |
| 23:07.32 | Legorol | the one defined in Lua overwrites teh internal one by the time I get to run any code |
| 23:07.37 | Legorol | so i can't be sure about this |
| 23:07.44 | Legorol | in 1.11.1 UnitInParty was internal |
| 23:07.57 | Legorol | in 1.11.2 it's present in WoW.exe, and is also defined in UnitPopup.lua |
| 23:08.13 | Legorol | to all intents and practical purposes, we only ever get access to the Lua-defined one |
| 23:08.28 | Legorol | so i guess that makes it a Lua-defined function for scanning purposes |
| 23:09.03 | krka | hm... why is UnitInParty interesting? |
| 23:09.11 | krka | we could write that one ourselves, easily |
| 23:09.12 | Legorol | it's not in any way shape or form interesting :) |
| 23:09.14 | cladhaire | its not |
| 23:09.14 | krka | with good performance too |
| 23:09.20 | cladhaire | the facta that it exists in two places is =) |
| 23:09.23 | Legorol | it's just a first |
| 23:09.32 | Legorol | that Blizzard overrides an internal function with a Lua-defined one |
| 23:09.57 | Iriel | Did they change it significantly? |
| 23:10.05 | Legorol | i don't know if they changed the functionality |
| 23:10.14 | Legorol | i never used it :) |
| 23:10.54 | Iriel | They did change it |
| 23:11.07 | Legorol | looks like it now works for pets etc. |
| 23:11.11 | Legorol | did it used to work like that? |
| 23:11.12 | Iriel | it returns false for player too |
| 23:11.56 | Legorol | why on Azeroth do they have to do the first two lines.. |
| 23:12.03 | Legorol | local name = UnitName(unit); |
| 23:12.03 | Legorol | local partyName; |
| 23:12.07 | Legorol | that's just superfluous.. |
| 23:12.14 | Legorol | someone's coding standard slipped |
| 23:12.16 | Iriel | Since neither are used, indeed |
| 23:12.31 | Iriel | If the login server were up, it would be worth asking all 3 questions |
| 23:12.37 | Tuplad | http://users.telenet.be/tuplad/cbevis.txt could this be right ? |
| 23:12.57 | Iriel | 1) Why override an API function 2) Is it different in some way 3) WTF are the first 2 lines doing |
| 23:13.00 | Kirov | Tuplad - missing an end |
| 23:13.04 | Tuplad | trying to make some stuff that'll CB+Evis if I got enough energy =) and type /cbevis to execute it |
| 23:13.13 | Tuplad | where :O |
| 23:13.21 | Kirov | at them, um end |
| 23:13.27 | Legorol | Iriel: from the wiki, my impression is that pets didn't used to be considered party members |
| 23:13.32 | Legorol | by the internal version |
| 23:13.37 | Kirov | both function and if needs an end |
| 23:13.48 | Tuplad | aha ! thanks |
| 23:13.57 | Legorol | so to 2) it seems it has changed |
| 23:14.01 | Thrae | I wish they'd fix the server database at least to the point that pet names are never blank. |
| 23:14.03 | Legorol | i wish i could roll back to 1.11.1 :) |
| 23:14.15 | End-afk | is there any place where the internal UnitInParty() can still get called? |
| 23:14.23 | Legorol | nope |
| 23:14.23 | esp|Syn | Ok. this is bugging me now |
| 23:14.24 | Tuplad | Kirov: so if I add the end, and ingame I type /cbevis and if I have 35 energy or more, it'll cast evis & cast eviscerate ? |
| 23:14.37 | End-afk | Legorol: sounds like they wanted to make UnitInParty() work on pets |
| 23:14.39 | esp|Syn | can any of you pro lua coders get my GetText working? |
| 23:14.53 | Legorol | End, if that is so, I think this is a rather hackish solution.. |
| 23:15.05 | Legorol | Iriel: does your scanner handle UnitInParty correctly? |
| 23:15.05 | End-afk | I don't think it was supposed to be a solution |
| 23:15.06 | snurre | [01:14] <Legorol> i wish i could roll back to 1.11.1 :) |
| 23:15.08 | snurre | oh you have no idea |
| 23:15.13 | Legorol | i don't? |
| 23:15.15 | Kirov | No, it'll cast coldblood then nothing, and if you press it again it'll give you an error and then cast evis |
| 23:15.19 | Thrae | Tuplad: No, that won't work. You can't execute commands from the ChatFrame. You need to do it via a keypress, meaning you need to do it inside a macro or create a Binding.xml file for it. |
| 23:15.30 | snurre | 1.11.2 basically fixed one thing only; "you are now saved blabla" spam |
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| 23:15.35 | Legorol | Thrae: you *can* execute /script from the chatbox |
| 23:15.35 | Iriel | Legorol : I haven't scanned 1.11.2 yet, so I dont know. It should classify it as a non-API function though. |
| 23:15.36 | snurre | and added about 10 different bugs to the game |
| 23:15.41 | End-afk | I think it was a "until we get this implement internally pets need to be consider in party" |
| 23:15.42 | Hexarobi | so if i have variables defined in SavedVariables section of toc, do i not declare them in my lua? |
| 23:15.43 | Tuplad | Thrae: that's what Im going to do :p |
| 23:15.43 | Kirov | and wha tThrae siad |
| 23:15.52 | AnduinLothar | it fixed the save spam? |
| 23:15.57 | Tuplad | I'll put it in a macro |
| 23:15.58 | Thrae | s/commands/CastSpellByName/ |
| 23:16.04 | Legorol | does anyone know if UnitInParty("target") worked in the past? |
| 23:16.04 | Kirov | Tuplad - from a macro, just use /script cbvis() |
| 23:16.06 | Hexarobi | ive got them declared local, but they arent saving |
| 23:16.06 | Iriel | Indeed, as Lego says, enter on the chat edit box counts as a hardware event these days. |
| 23:16.17 | Legorol | which used to allow a minor exploit |
| 23:16.20 | snurre | inspect, dressing room, druid talent, spectral essence, cache folder problems.. the list goes on.. *sigh* |
| 23:16.22 | Legorol | actually i wonder if they fixed that.. |
| 23:16.33 | Tuplad | Kirov: aight cool, so the first 2 lines can be removed ? |
| 23:16.37 | Kirov | yes |
| 23:16.48 | Tuplad | meh :\ I wanted /cbevis, looks neat :D |
| 23:17.00 | Thrae | Iriel: That's only true if you do /script CastSpellBynName() and not /script FunctionWhichCallsCastSpellByName(), right? |
| 23:17.13 | Legorol | Thrae: nope, not right |
| 23:17.17 | Legorol | you can do anything from chat box |
| 23:17.19 | MentalPower | no, it works like any other hardware event |
| 23:17.19 | Legorol | same as a macro |
| 23:17.36 | Thrae | When did this get changed? I was testing out some functions around 1.9 and it wasn't working then. |
| 23:18.02 | snurre | i want irc from work :( |
| 23:18.40 | gnorlish | thrae, i'm getting a nil error from tinytiptargets line 54 |
| 23:18.45 | gnorlish | happens every time i load up |
| 23:18.50 | Thrae | MentalPower: Why not just SSH to your PC? If it's Windows, you can use freeSSHd and then setup a tunnel. |
| 23:18.53 | gnorlish | and mouse over... something |
| 23:19.03 | MentalPower | RDC is easier |
| 23:19.07 | Cairenn | anyone happen to be logged in to the US forums by luck? |
| 23:19.22 | Iriel | I was briefly, then got DC'ed |
| 23:19.25 | Cairenn | if so, tell Cogwheel to come hang out in channel if he's so bored |
| 23:19.26 | Kirov | Tuplad - You have a few syntax errors too /script if ( GetComboPoint() == 5 and UnitMana("player") >= 35 ) then CastSpellByName("Coldblood") SpellStopCasting() CastSpellByName("Eviscerate") end |
| 23:19.36 | Cairenn | yeah, I got in for a bit, but not long enough |
| 23:19.47 | Thrae | True, but it's less stable then plain text SSH because larger packets are being sent. |
| 23:20.32 | Thrae | gnorlish: Are you using 1.3.2 or SVN? |
| 23:20.37 | Iriel | I believe it got changed in 1.10 |
| 23:20.40 | Tuplad | Kirov: right now, I'll remove getcombo points, usually, I ambush(2cp), CB+Evis & vanish :D |
| 23:20.55 | Thrae | Iriel: Ah, then sorry for the spread of misinformation. |
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| 23:21.04 | gnorlish | i'm using the last svn before you added in that tiplib |
| 23:21.35 | gnorlish | is your current svn stable? |
| 23:21.42 | esp|Syn | help.. me :( |
| 23:21.43 | Thrae | gnorlish: Yes. |
| 23:22.07 | Thrae | My only unstable SVN was the initial v0.4 |
| 23:22.08 | gnorlish | i'll wait until after fankriss |
| 23:22.13 | gnorlish | and check it out |
| 23:22.27 | Tuplad | kirov, spellstopcasting isnt needed, I think |
| 23:22.34 | Tuplad | CB doesnt toggle global cooldown |
| 23:22.55 | Iriel | You still need the spell stop casting |
| 23:23.09 | Tuplad | ok:) |
| 23:23.24 | Thrae | Tuplad: SpellStopCasting() resets a flag caused by ALL spells, or at least all instant ones, afaik. |
| 23:23.30 | Tuplad | :o |
| 23:23.38 | Kirov | SpellStopCasting() as actually only useful when there isn't a global cooldown |
| 23:23.44 | Kirov | for these type of script |
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| 23:23.58 | Kirov | It's effectively a hack, but one Blizzard hasn't seen worth fixing |
| 23:24.08 | Thrae | You can't cast a spell after one that causes global cooldown unless you lock up the client for ~2 seconds |
| 23:24.16 | Legorol | Kirov: not true |
| 23:24.23 | Legorol | you can chain any number of any spells, using spellstopcasting |
| 23:24.34 | Legorol | you have to however stay in Lua for the duration, so you lock up the client for the time |
| 23:24.56 | Kirov | Legorol - I was trying not to get in to that. |
| 23:25.02 | Legorol | ok fair enough |
| 23:25.16 | Kirov | Let's not teach the new people how to turn themselves in to a fire blossom attack |
| 23:25.17 | Thrae | And in both cases, I think slouken said "We don't care" (or did he just say "I don't care"?) |
| 23:25.40 | Legorol | he told me he doesn't care until it becomes a problem :) |
| 23:25.47 | Tuplad | :0 |
| 23:26.28 | Thrae | Does /follow require a hardware event? |
| 23:26.35 | Kirov | yeah |
| 23:26.40 | esp|Syn | ok |
| 23:26.40 | esp|Syn | nm |
| 23:26.45 | esp|Syn | i DONT need ure help ! |
| 23:26.50 | esp|Syn | im not offical a pro git :D |
| 23:26.56 | Tuplad | hm |
| 23:26.58 | esp|Syn | erm that was supposed to be now :( |
| 23:27.09 | esp|Syn | damn typo's being the truth! |
| 23:27.17 | Tuplad | but still, if I include SLASH_CBEVIS1 = "/cbevis"; (newline) SlashCmdList["CBEVIS"] = cbevis;, will it work if I just type /cbevis ? |
| 23:27.22 | Kirov | sure |
| 23:27.23 | esp|Syn | sorry.. :D i got my script working :D |
| 23:27.34 | Thrae | Does /assist require a hardware event too? |
| 23:27.35 | Kirov | esp|Syn - what dumb ass thing did you do? |
| 23:27.50 | esp|Syn | Well.. all ive done |
| 23:27.56 | esp|Syn | hold on ill pastebin it |
| 23:28.27 | Kirov | Thrae - likely, since it can initiate auto-attack |
| 23:28.36 | esp|Syn | http://pastebin.ca/86519 |
| 23:28.38 | esp|Syn | there ya go |
| 23:28.40 | esp|Syn | thats all i did |
| 23:28.43 | esp|Syn | and now it works :D |
| 23:28.59 | Thrae | You could technically make a bot box with a Lua addon that stays in Lua to continously cast heal spells or just wait in Lua until its target needs healing. You'd have to manually set it to /follow, but that's not too hard. |
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| 23:29.23 | Iriel | I suspect at some point you'd crash becuase none of your events woul dhave been relesaed |
| 23:29.26 | Iriel | released, even |
| 23:29.41 | Iriel | they'd just build up in the event queue |
| 23:30.02 | Kirov | At some point you'd just be kicked off the server |
| 23:30.14 | Kirov | because your client isn't responding |
| 23:30.34 | Kirov | Kaelten - that was quick |
| 23:30.42 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 23:30.48 | Thrae | What if you hide UIParent to prevent events from being processed in Lua? |
| 23:30.56 | Thrae | s/hide/hid/ |
| 23:31.10 | Iriel | This has nothing to do with events in lua |
| 23:31.17 | Iriel | It's the C++ queue |
| 23:31.20 | Thrae | Oh wait, that's only for OnUpdate handlers, silly me. |
| 23:31.23 | Iriel | Events are delivered to all frames anyway 8-) |
| 23:31.38 | Legorol | Thrae, your scheme wouldn't work |
| 23:31.46 | Legorol | if you don't return from Lua, you don't get any updates |
| 23:31.50 | Legorol | e.g. people's health/mana etc. |
| 23:32.00 | WobinZzZzZ | bah, who needs to know those? =P |
| 23:32.04 | Thrae | Ahhh, gotcha. |
| 23:32.10 | Legorol | in so far as i can tell, whilst you are in Lua, WoW just buffers incoming network packets |
| 23:32.14 | Legorol | but doesn't act on them in any way |
| 23:32.19 | kergoth | if you dont return from lua, you'll just get dc'd the way kirov says for not responding. i'd expect the server needs a periodic ping |
| 23:32.35 | kergoth | woot, google maps has scroll wheel zooming now |
| 23:32.36 | kergoth | finally |
| 23:33.03 | Legorol | mmm, they still have a minor loophole in place |
| 23:33.26 | Legorol | i can cast any number of spells by just holding down a button |
| 23:33.39 | AnduinLothar | why is account management 404ing.. |
| 23:34.04 | Thrae | I'd like it just to try and buff a raid, heh. |
| 23:34.07 | Shadowed | they lost it |
| 23:34.23 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Tuplad (n=tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be) |
| 23:34.35 | Thrae | That would be an interesting experiment...assuming everyone was in range and casting 40 spells didn't DC you. |
| 23:34.36 | AnduinLothar | leg, does that work with movement? |
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| 23:34.48 | Legorol | nope, AnduinLothar |
| 23:34.52 | AnduinLothar | bummer |
| 23:34.52 | Legorol | we can't do any movement from Lua |
| 23:34.57 | Legorol | hence, it's a very minor loophole |
| 23:35.07 | Legorol | it's only slightly better than having to repeatedly mash a key |
| 23:35.21 | Legorol | which is trivial to do via external means anyway |
| 23:35.21 | AnduinLothar | well, you could tape a button down and use it for auto-buffing |
| 23:35.37 | Iriel | It stops repeating when you hit any other key |
| 23:35.38 | Legorol | it's not even that good |
| 23:35.45 | AnduinLothar | aww |
| 23:35.46 | Legorol | exactly, as Iriel says |
| 23:35.51 | Legorol | it's really a poor loophole |
| 23:36.38 | Kirov | Have you guys tried the microsoft wannabe maps.google.com? |
| 23:36.59 | Legorol | lol, best Tech support reply ever: |
| 23:37.00 | Legorol | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=1123412&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard |
| 23:38.20 | Thrae | Give 'em a break, they probably make near minimum wage and therefore have little actual technical skills (as those with real technical skills would be doing better then minimum wage, or are working part-time) |
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| 23:39.11 | Legorol | Thrae, i meant it as a positive comment |
| 23:39.12 | Thrae | Oh wait, I just read the thread. Haha. |
| 23:39.47 | Thrae | Legorol: Sorry, my first instinct that you are bashing them, as most people do ;) |
| 23:39.55 | Thrae | Having worked in TS, I'm a little sensitive. |
| 23:40.02 | Legorol | np |
| 23:40.16 | Wobin | ~comfort Thrae |
| 23:40.17 | purl | There, there, Thrae. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:40.18 | Legorol | i only bash tech support when they are incompetent.. |
| 23:40.23 | Legorol | and even then, i fume rather than bash |
| 23:40.24 | Cairenn | but you also should know by now that there is far less Blizz bashing that goes on in this channel than per the "norm" |
| 23:40.32 | Kirov | http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=qsfdyq8twnfx&style=o&lvl=2&scene=1915478 |
| 23:40.49 | Legorol | Cairenn, are you trying to imply we are a bunch of fanboys? |
| 23:40.51 | Legorol | ;-) |
| 23:40.56 | Thrae | Cairenn: Frankly, I don't read the forums, so I don't even know what the "norm" is :D |
| 23:40.57 | Cairenn | nope |
| 23:41.24 | Legorol | i'd imagine that's because you get sane criticism here, rather than mindless bashing |
| 23:41.25 | Thrae | Well that's not true, I used to read the forums, back when people were more polite. I glance at them every now and then and everything's just gone to heck. |
| 23:41.34 | esp|Syn | ok |
| 23:41.35 | Cairenn | we are just, by and large, intelligent enough to be able to face a lot of realities that the mindless hordes don't |
| 23:41.37 | Legorol | i'm pretty sure this channel here collectively dislikes the removal of AT :) |
| 23:41.44 | esp|Syn | GameTooltip_SetDefaultAnchor << what are the args for that? |
| 23:42.01 | Cairenn | don't want to* |
| 23:42.08 | Kirov | http://www.worndoorstep.com/shop/images/biscutis&bonbons/pirate-cookies.png - we need to get these for slouken |
| 23:42.09 | Thrae | esp|Syn: It's in GameTooltip.lua, the arguments are (this,parent) |
| 23:42.14 | Legorol | esp: function GameTooltip_SetDefaultAnchor(tooltip, parent) |
| 23:42.18 | Legorol | bah, Thrae beat me |
| 23:42.37 | Cairenn | rofl, oh hell yes Kirov! |
| 23:42.58 | esp|Syn | Cheers |
| 23:42.59 | Kirov | esp|Syn - look it up on wowwiki |
| 23:43.03 | Legorol | Cairenn, you saw that slouken added the secret addon communication function thing, right? |
| 23:43.11 | esp|Syn | i tried Kirkburn1 |
| 23:43.15 | esp|Syn | i mean Kirov |
| 23:43.18 | Thrae | Legorol: She's been broadcasting the post all day! |
| 23:43.18 | Cairenn | aye, we've been cheering about it for a while now |
| 23:43.24 | esp|Syn | i couldnt find it on there |
| 23:43.25 | Legorol | did you also see how, after the community discussed the merits and demerits of the implementation, slouken changed it slightly based on feedback|? |
| 23:43.37 | Legorol | i was always impressed by the guy, but that just tops it all |
| 23:43.40 | Cairenn | yeah, damn him, he never listens! |
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| 23:43.58 | Thrae | Yeah, he added prefixes, that was what Cairenn was copying today. |
| 23:43.59 | Iriel | he's done that before too |
| 23:44.19 | Legorol | lol @ Kirov's cookies |
| 23:44.25 | Kirov | http://worndoorstep.com/shop/biscuitsbonbons.html |
| 23:44.28 | Cairenn | bloody Blizzard, never gives the customer what htey want |
| 23:44.33 | Cairenn | they* |
| 23:44.33 | Legorol | that is true |
| 23:44.36 | Legorol | only slouken does! |
| 23:44.47 | Legorol | we all know he does this secretly, when they are not looking |
| 23:44.57 | Thrae | In reality, we only think that about slouken because he's brave enough to post in the forums himself ;) |
| 23:44.59 | Legorol | if they ever find out he is working for us, he'd be tortured then shot |
| 23:45.20 | Kirov | I'm not sure Blizzard can afford to pay all those porn stars to visit peoples' houses. |
| 23:45.32 | Kirov | Oh, wait, you mean what customers want in the _game_ |
| 23:46.02 | Thrae | I'm one of those crazies that think that Blizzard does listen to their customers most of the time :D |
| 23:46.15 | Legorol | I give them about 50/50 |
| 23:46.22 | Legorol | Often they listen, often they have their own ideas |
| 23:46.45 | Legorol | although granted they tend to push their own ideas in favour of what the masses want when the masses want something silly.. |
| 23:46.51 | Thrae | Well they listen, then adjust based on how they want the game to progress. That's how a designer functions. |
| 23:47.12 | Legorol | i still think that they didn't listen with the AT case |
| 23:47.24 | Legorol | or at least they might have, but it was too late then |
| 23:47.33 | Corrodias | AT? |
| 23:47.38 | Legorol | autotravel |
| 23:47.39 | Kirov | Thrae - you're obviously not a designer |
| 23:47.53 | Shadowed | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-en&ThreadID=49853 |
| 23:47.56 | Legorol | although i do think that Blizzard does listen, |
| 23:48.04 | Shadowed | I'm assuming nobody is Layrajha? |
| 23:48.06 | Legorol | i do find them a bit "patronising" in the sense that they have a very strong vision for the game |
| 23:48.20 | Legorol | and they don't tend to let go of that, only make minor changes relative to that which fall in line with their vision |
| 23:48.20 | Thrae | It takes a LOT, I mean a LOT of guts to admit that your design was poor from the get-go and it needs to be adjusted or totally redesigned. A lot of designers just don't have the ability. |
| 23:48.52 | Legorol | i'm not saying Blizzard's approach is bad. but it comes across as patronising and condescending, most of the time |
| 23:48.56 | Kirov | Shadowed - hehe, someone figured it out |
| 23:49.10 | Shadowed | Somebody needs to say that /target <name> is TargetByName |
| 23:49.22 | Thrae | Legorol: That's the way a lot of the designers I've met in real-life are like. |
| 23:49.40 | Kirov | <- designer |
| 23:49.45 | Kirov | well |
| 23:50.04 | Thrae | s/designers/professional game designer (not level maker)/ |
| 23:50.07 | Kirov | Prosignertist |
| 23:50.52 | Thrae | Hey, I want to be a game designer myself one day, far in the future. I'm not saying it's a bad profession, but it can easily get you a big head. |
| 23:51.04 | Thrae | All good artists have that risk of letting their ego get in the way. |
| 23:51.15 | zinor | how so |
| 23:51.23 | zinor | game designers are barely recognizable |
| 23:51.24 | Legorol | slouken is not a designer, hence he listens ;-) |
| 23:51.44 | zinor | its not like being a movie star or anything of the sorts |
| 23:51.47 | Legorol | actually, i always wondered what slouken's full job description is |
| 23:51.52 | Iriel | designers listen, but they do what they feel is right based on the feedback, they do not just blindly do what gets asked for. |
| 23:51.53 | Legorol | or what his position's title is |
| 23:51.58 | Thrae | Yeah, but the decision about AutoTravel wasn't up to slouken, it was up to the designers...who felt that their system of travel was Good Enough(tm) |
| 23:52.01 | Legorol | Cairenn, care to share? |
| 23:52.24 | Legorol | aye, slouken had to follow the party-line with AT |
| 23:52.34 | Legorol | i'm actually amased they let him add the addon comm. functions |
| 23:52.38 | Iriel | "Senior Software Engineer" |
| 23:52.50 | Legorol | i'm pretty sure that goes beyond what they designed the UI scripting for |
| 23:52.58 | Legorol | Iriel: that's very descriptive... |
| 23:53.11 | Cairenn | it's the title |
| 23:53.18 | Legorol | i understand |
| 23:53.26 | Legorol | what's his day-to-day job? |
| 23:53.36 | Legorol | apart from eating cookies.. |
| 23:53.36 | Cairenn | he's one of their lead programmers |
| 23:53.38 | Kirkburn1 | I'm sure we could convince the Queen to confer a Knighthood |
| 23:53.38 | Iriel | fixing bugs and adding new ones, I think |
| 23:53.43 | Thrae | Iriel: Some designers in the MMO industry listen more then others, though I can't say anything certain for Blizzard because I haven't met any of their designers personally. All we can do is look at what they've done and judge the entire design and management departments on that. |
| 23:54.03 | Iriel | My feeling is we play the game because the designers have done a good job. |
| 23:54.08 | Legorol | i think that Blizzard has a reputation of designing good games |
| 23:54.16 | Iriel | (When we play it, AddOn addiction notwithstanding) |
| 23:54.18 | Thrae | But of course. |
| 23:54.21 | Legorol | i also think it's the nature of MMOs that people whine and complain, especially when they see that changes *do* take place |
| 23:54.34 | Kirkburn1 | Many of the lead designers were *players* of EQ, importantly |
| 23:54.37 | Thrae | Legorol: s/nature of MMOs/nature of Life/ |
| 23:54.53 | Legorol | that's not exactly what i meant |
| 23:54.56 | Cairenn | put it this way, he has enough seniority and position that he has his own office, complete with windows to outside, and door - rather than being in the pit |
| 23:55.01 | Iriel | They wont get everything right, or right immediately, but their path seems to remain a mostly good one. Albeit a bit too raid content focussed. |
| 23:55.03 | zinor | Kirkburn1, that follows suit with saying many game designers play games :P |
| 23:55.08 | Legorol | what i meant is that when people see that the game is not static, they want stuff to change in the direction they want it |
| 23:55.14 | Kirov | Blizzard makes good games through heavy, heavy iteration. |
| 23:55.33 | Kirkburn1 | And Xtreem Polishin' |
| 23:55.40 | Legorol | it doesn't occur to too many people to want changes in SC or WC for example |
| 23:56.03 | Kirov | Legorol - the rts games? |
| 23:56.04 | Corrodias | it doesn't? |
| 23:56.10 | Cairenn | and for the record, the devs at Blizz are as cool as Slouken is |
| 23:56.15 | Legorol | Kirov, yes |
| 23:56.24 | Legorol | Cairenn: by "dev" who do you mean? |
| 23:56.28 | Cairenn | I had a nice long chat with any number of them while I was down there |
| 23:56.28 | Tuplad | hm |
| 23:56.28 | Legorol | designers? |
| 23:56.29 | Kirov | Legorol - they bitch like crazy |
| 23:56.30 | Kirkburn1 | Cairenn, that's def what I've seen from all the video interviews |
| 23:56.31 | Thrae | Does slouken code any portion of the game, or just the Lua engine and API? |
| 23:56.33 | Tuplad | my slash command doesnt work kirov :( |
| 23:56.41 | zinor | "devs" have to be cool, if they aren't they wouldnt have a job |
| 23:56.41 | Tuplad | Type /help etc. |
| 23:56.47 | Iriel | The 'UI' stuff is NOT his day job |
| 23:56.47 | Legorol | Thrae: i think he codes mostly other portions |
| 23:56.50 | zinor | anyone who deals w/ press has to put on a show |
| 23:56.51 | Iriel | he does that because he likes us |
| 23:56.53 | Legorol | the lua and API is just a small part |
| 23:57.08 | Thrae | Then who is the programmer in charge of that? No one? |
| 23:57.15 | Legorol | although he did do at least some of the XML work on the UI |
| 23:57.18 | Thrae | Or did slouken just take over an empty position? |
| 23:57.28 | Kirkburn1 | It's probably a difficult management system to describe |
| 23:57.42 | zinor | its probably something no one here cna describe :) |
| 23:57.46 | Iriel | I believe the LUA and XML stuff is his design and code, but day to day, there's not many changes there. |
| 23:57.46 | AnduinLothar | blizzard's hierarchy is... 'loose' shall we say |
| 23:57.47 | Kirkburn1 | i.e. you can't define each person's job easily |
| 23:57.59 | Legorol | Iriel: there is whatshisname, horkin? |
| 23:58.07 | Legorol | not seen him lately |
| 23:58.12 | Legorol | worked on the UI and coded a lot of it |
| 23:58.15 | Legorol | then there is ryslin |
| 23:58.18 | AnduinLothar | what ever happened to the new girl? |
| 23:58.20 | Legorol | i don't know what she is up to nowadays |
| 23:58.21 | Iriel | There's Horkin, and the girl ninja we scared off |
| 23:58.29 | Legorol | is horkin still around? |
| 23:58.41 | Legorol | i vaguely remember reading somewhere he did a large part of the UI code |
| 23:58.49 | Kirkburn1 | Rislyn, you mean? |
| 23:58.51 | Kirkburn1 | :) |
| 23:58.53 | Thrae | From what I've seen of slouken's coding background, I'd guess he's involved in the DirectX engine. |
| 23:58.58 | Legorol | Kirkburn1: whatever |
| 23:59.03 | Shadowed | Having somebody with a ninja avatar would have worked so well though :( |
| 23:59.07 | Legorol | and probably a lot else too, thrae |
| 23:59.18 | Legorol | a talented programmer like slouken, i'd get him to do lots of stuff |
| 23:59.55 | Legorol | i think he hinted at some point that he fixed up server-side verification of item links |
