| 00:01.19 | wereHamster | I thought about absolute values, because percentages mean nothing.. |
| 00:04.24 | Cairenn | yo, ckknight, you there? |
| 00:04.37 | cladhaire | you Cair.. |
| 00:05.42 | Cairenn | what? I'm not good enough? |
| 00:05.50 | AnduinLothar | you looked busy |
| 00:06.04 | Cairenn | I always have time for hugs |
| 00:06.44 | Wobin | wereHamster: But you're talking about the 'current heal being cast'? |
| 00:07.04 | Wobin | Why not have it show 'percentage of full health the current cast will heal'? |
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| 00:09.17 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: You knwo I'm always around for snuggling |
| 00:09.53 | Wobin | Since you're already casting, it doesn't really matter how many hp the heal will heal, only the total percentage it could possibly overheal |
| 00:10.03 | Wobin | or heal |
| 00:10.37 | Wobin | anyway |
| 00:10.43 | Wobin | I've a 9hour flight ahead of me =( |
| 00:10.54 | Wobin | I might login midflight =P |
| 00:18.21 | AnduinLothar | i'll have to work up to that one cladhaire |
| 00:20.16 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:21.00 | AnduinLothar | cladhaire, any info on my proposal? |
| 00:22.03 | chuckg | Woot |
| 00:22.07 | chuckg | US govt sent me another 700 dollars. |
| 00:22.17 | chuckg | "whoops you're a college studen living on your own?" |
| 00:22.27 | chuckg | Can't complain! |
| 00:22.30 | chuckg | KEGS ON ME |
| 00:22.39 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: the localization one? |
| 00:22.47 | AnduinLothar | aye |
| 00:22.56 | cladhaire | i dont think i'm going to be able to dig into it righ tnow |
| 00:23.01 | cladhaire | =( |
| 00:23.05 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 00:23.10 | cladhaire | i've had about 10 minutes per day at work for non-work stuff. |
| 00:23.15 | cladhaire | which sucks.. cause my job is shit |
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| 01:02.16 | JoshBorke | hi |
| 01:02.43 | Cairenn | hi JoshBorke |
| 01:06.48 | AnduinLothar | yay 18 slot |
| 01:06.54 | AnduinLothar | that was expensive.. |
| 01:10.18 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi: couple executables need your attention on EQI when you can, please |
| 01:10.30 | Cairenn | left a note |
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| 01:17.33 | Dolby-wowi | its safe :) approved |
| 01:17.50 | ckknight | hey Cairenn |
| 01:18.06 | Cairenn | danke Dolby-wowi |
| 01:18.09 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 01:18.36 | ckknight | but I'm sleepy. |
| 01:19.07 | Cairenn | didn't say you had to do anything, just pointed you at each other :p |
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| 02:33.16 | zespri_work | sooooo any one know who to get XP for the next level? |
| 02:33.23 | zespri_work | how |
| 02:34.26 | AnduinLothar | max-curr |
| 02:34.40 | zespri_work | no |
| 02:34.47 | zespri_work | not the current level |
| 02:34.50 | zespri_work | next level |
| 02:35.07 | zespri_work | same as UnitMaxSP but for the next level |
| 02:37.32 | zespri_work | OMG curse has errorsafe shit? |
| 02:39.05 | AnduinLothar | O.o? |
| 02:39.59 | zespri_work | I just opened a curse page and got zillion popups all over with an offer to install some 'errorsafe' activex |
| 02:40.23 | JoshBorke | heh. isn't XP a simple algorithm? |
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| 02:41.28 | zespri_work | JoshBroke, if you are patient enough to write down the numbers... then maybe you'll find how they are sequenced. But the latest such list I've seen was soon after release. the numbers may have changed |
| 02:41.46 | JoshBorke | ah, i see |
| 02:43.34 | JoshBorke | and no, i most certainly am not patient enough :D |
| 02:44.29 | zespri_work | another way is to ask players on your server =) |
| 02:44.34 | zespri_work | one for each level =) |
| 02:45.05 | JoshBorke | why do you need it? |
| 02:45.09 | JoshBorke | just curious :) |
| 02:47.59 | zespri_work | it's nescessary if you want to display a visual cue as to how many rested expirience will spill over the next level |
| 02:53.53 | JoshBorke | mmk. g'night :) |
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| 03:39.16 | Hexarobi | anyone know of an addon with a simple list box i can rip off? |
| 03:39.29 | Cairenn | "borrow from" ;) |
| 03:39.46 | Cairenn | "use as an example", even |
| 03:42.16 | zespri_work | listbox? |
| 03:42.19 | MentalPower | Hexarobi: list box? |
| 03:42.31 | MentalPower | you mean a combo box right? |
| 03:42.45 | MentalPower | the one that you have multiple options and you select one? |
| 03:42.53 | zespri_work | there is a list box in standard UI |
| 03:43.03 | zespri_work | for example in trainer window |
| 03:43.11 | MentalPower | There's a template in FrameXML for those |
| 03:43.40 | zespri_work | btw, mental power |
| 03:44.21 | MentalPower | yes? |
| 03:45.09 | zespri_work | quite often after I make a full scan by auctioneer and then want to sell an item the items that is displayed on the PostItem panels is anything but not currently listed items |
| 03:45.13 | zespri_work | why can it happen? |
| 03:45.48 | MentalPower | that runs of what we call the "snapshot" |
| 03:46.01 | MentalPower | which is basically our copy of the contents of the AH at the time of scanning |
| 03:46.13 | MentalPower | that can become... desynced from the real list |
| 03:46.14 | zespri_work | yes, but If I just made a full scan, snapshot is supposed to be up to date? |
| 03:46.50 | zespri_work | bar a several items that might get added or deleted in between, right? |
| 03:46.52 | MentalPower | yes, but if they were shorts then they could be gone by the time the scan is done |
| 03:48.10 | zespri_work | MentalPower who's written BeanCounter? |
| 03:48.21 | MentalPower | a dev called Vindicator |
| 03:48.32 | zespri_work | ok thanks |
| 03:48.37 | MentalPower | why? |
| 03:49.16 | zespri_work | just wondering. very goodidea not it's just has to be expanded upon. this is a very new addon so it has a lot of potential for development |
| 03:51.51 | zespri_work | I use ct_mailmod and when I collect mails bu this mod BeanCounter seem to miss on the transactions somehow. But I run a 3.5 version so it may be already fixed |
| 03:52.50 | zespri_work | or maybe it's impossible to fix |
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| 04:17.48 | Tem | rawr |
| 04:22.44 | Tain | Damn I installed Fraps so I could try to turn some of the brilliant ideas in my head into actual movies and my PC crashed. |
| 04:22.48 | Tain | I wonder if it's a sign. |
| 04:23.09 | Cairenn | purr |
| 04:23.29 | Tain | ruff? |
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| 05:11.08 | Cairenn | wb Iriel |
| 05:13.51 | Tain | Saw the new Pirates of the Caribbean movie this weekend. Wasn't bad. |
| 05:14.12 | Tain | Don't go if you don't want a cliffhanger to wait for the next one though. |
| 05:14.27 | Cairenn | definitely! |
| 05:16.27 | Shadowed | I already know the ending because it was posted about 20 times on the raid and dungeons forums! |
| 05:16.36 | Cairenn | that's rude :p |
| 05:18.40 | Shadowed | I wasn't very interested in seeing it anyway :p |
| 05:18.52 | Tain | Well see Captain Jack Sparrow kills Dumbledore. |
| 05:24.16 | kergoth | whats a good site for hunter pets? |
| 05:24.26 | Cairenn | sec |
| 05:24.26 | kergoth | i want that white rare bat from tirisfal but cant remember its name |
| 05:24.52 | Tain | I think it's name is Harvey. |
| 05:24.59 | Tain | Harvey the bat. |
| 05:25.25 | Iriel | Hm, I dont think I've ever met Harvey |
| 05:25.41 | Iriel | Odd name for a bat, tho |
| 05:25.49 | Iriel | Better than "Bob", mind you, Bob the Bat |
| 05:25.49 | Tain | Oh well alternatively I have this old link, dunno how good its info is |
| 05:25.50 | Tain | http://www.goodintentionsguild.info/petinfo |
| 05:26.00 | Cairenn | Tain: lol, that's the link I was heading for |
| 05:26.07 | Cairenn | it's excellent |
| 05:26.10 | Tain | :D |
| 05:26.13 | Tain | I can smart! |
| 05:26.19 | Cairenn | I helped compile it :p |
| 05:26.51 | kergoth | i should /so/ name my bat bob |
| 05:27.50 | Tain | In City of Villains you had a class that summoned multiple pets. |
| 05:28.04 | Tain | I named them ROFL, LOL, LMAO. |
| 05:28.06 | Tain | I'm not proud. |
| 05:29.37 | Iriel | As well you shouldn't be 8-) |
| 05:29.44 | Iriel | Were they at least robots? |
| 05:29.53 | Tain | They were in fact. |
| 05:30.24 | Tain | Actually that was a lot of fun, having an entire party to myself. |
| 05:30.41 | Tain | I played with a friend who was an undead summoning Mastermind and we really wreaked some havoc. |
| 05:31.17 | Iriel | I had some similar supergroup friends, we'd lay down the multi pet smack on goodness and virtue |
| 05:31.30 | Iriel | (Literally on Virtue, since that's the server my characters are (were?) on) |
| 05:31.44 | Iriel | Well, my CoH characters, anyway |
| 05:31.47 | Cairenn | kergoth: http://wow.allakhazam.com/dyn/mobs/rare.html and http://wow.allakhazam.com/dyn/mobs/byfamily.html are also good links for pet stuff |
| 05:32.09 | kergoth | i just fed my boar a chunk of boar meat |
| 05:32.09 | kergoth | i feel bad |
| 05:32.09 | Tain | I have to say whoever put in some of the dialogue for CoV did good. There were some funny, funny things that were said when you entered a mission. |
| 05:32.10 | Iriel | "Eaaaaat it" |
| 05:32.21 | Tain | Wait what? You can tame King Bangalash? |
| 05:32.38 | Iriel | Yeah, it's one of the most over-represented pets in the game as far as I can tell |
| 05:32.43 | Tain | That's just not right. You shouldn't be able to tame a king. |
| 05:33.07 | Cairenn | Tain: you didn't know that? hell yes you can tame him |
| 05:33.13 | Tain | I do have a short shameful confession. I killed Broken Tooth once when Hunters were looking for him. :/ |
| 05:33.21 | Cairenn | ROFL! |
| 05:33.49 | Iriel | So that's shameful, but ROFL/LOL/LMAO is just 'not proud' ? |
| 05:33.50 | Tain | I'm sorry, I became disillusioned after not being able to tame a giraffe. |
| 05:33.51 | Cairenn | eeeeevil! |
| 05:34.05 | Iriel | I'm still bitter about Zhevra's |
| 05:34.16 | Corrodias | me too |
| 05:34.37 | Cairenn | I begged them and begged them, all through CB ... no love :( |
| 05:34.38 | Tain | You don't know the visions I had about a monster giraffe terrorizing. |
| 05:34.56 | Iriel | I think a sickly deer would be pretty freakin' awesome too |
| 05:34.59 | Corrodias | well, if i still played, i'd be annoyed that i couldn't have ... something that i saw that i don't remember any more. |
| 05:35.00 | Tain | Alternately I'd love to see critters be able to be tamed and levelled. |
| 05:35.03 | Corrodias | kodo. |
| 05:35.15 | Tain | I want a toad that can lay some smack down. |
| 05:35.23 | Cairenn | rofl Tain |
| 05:35.34 | Tain | Or.. well actually I'd abandon them all for a tamed devilsaur, honestly. |
| 05:35.35 | Iriel | You could strut around singing "Who let the frogs out?" |
| 05:35.47 | Cairenn | Iriel!!!! /bonk |
| 05:36.21 | Tain | I used to use one of those addons that showed how many of a creature you've killed. Mobinfo or something probably, I forget now. |
| 05:36.34 | Iriel | I spent over an hour of the evening picking out carpet, my mind is not entirely normal tonight. |
| 05:36.43 | Tain | Until I saw once how many deer I'd killed. |
| 05:36.48 | Kirov | lol |
| 05:36.54 | Cairenn | uh huh, that's your story and you're sticking to it, right Iriel? |
| 05:36.55 | Tain | So naturally I got rid of the addon. |
| 05:37.01 | Iriel | I wrote myself an addon for that, KillCounter, and I also wrote PetInfo which tracks which animals I have tamed and when |
| 05:37.07 | Shadowed | time to wipe in a pug UBRS, back in an hour. |
| 05:37.17 | Tain | twitches |
| 05:37.29 | Tain | Joined a UBRS group that was going to do multiple Rend runs. |
| 05:38.07 | Tain | Stood there for 90 minutes doing nothing, 15 minutes of fighting inside the instance, then another 15 of recovring from someone doing something stupid before I logged off. |
| 05:38.07 | Shadowed | that must have been fun |
| 05:38.11 | Shadowed | haha |
| 05:38.21 | Tain | I was seething. |
| 05:38.30 | Iriel | You should get an XBox 360 so you can play Uno online while you wait to do something in WoW? |
| 05:38.41 | Corrodias | yeah, a console, just what we need. :) |
| 05:38.58 | Shadowed | I need a second computer so i can do pug groups and talk on IRC |
| 05:39.05 | Tain | I still haven't pulled the trigger on a 360. |
| 05:39.10 | Shadowed | well, second working computer |
| 05:39.14 | Tain | But I only have a 15" LCD TV next to the computer. |
| 05:39.18 | Iriel | Console Uno is remarkably addictive once you get into a ranked online game |
| 05:39.33 | Tain | I don't know, the last time I played Uno with a bunch of people it almost turned violent. |
| 05:39.42 | Iriel | Some people get bitter |
| 05:39.47 | Tain | "Draw 4 again? You fucking bastard!" |
| 05:39.47 | Iriel | I prefer it when nobody has a mic on |
| 05:39.59 | Shadowed | The best part about this run |
| 05:40.07 | Shadowed | A rogue has finkle's skinner in main hand, felstriker in offhand |
| 05:40.12 | Cairenn | you haven't seen violent until you've played Canasta with my mom and she's losing |
| 05:40.26 | Tain | heh poor dagger Rogue |
| 05:40.28 | Kirov | I hope she never plays my sister |
| 05:40.41 | Tain | Going to be unhappy once the Rogue "review" hits. |
| 05:41.00 | Kirov | My sister has laid down 3 canastas and her last card while I was still trying to get one |
| 05:41.33 | Cairenn | heh, Mom and I do that to Dad & hubby all the time ;) |
| 05:41.35 | Shadowed | and nobody has the key! |
| 05:42.34 | Iriel | I realize it's bad form to discuss things that erode my already microscopic wow time, but are any of you looking forward to Prey, or The Ship? And has anyone here played Titan Quest much? |
| 05:42.37 | Tain | haha no key |
| 05:42.45 | Tain | Iriel I played Prey demo. |
| 05:43.00 | Corrodias | the ship? |
| 05:43.05 | Tain | It was the first time in my life I startd to feel a little "motion sick" from a game. |
| 05:43.12 | Iriel | The bit in the demo with the ball in the box made me go 'Ok, I have to own this one' |
| 05:43.23 | Iriel | Corrodias: www.theshiponline.com |
| 05:43.24 | Iriel | I think |
| 05:43.25 | Tain | It was very disorenting. But fun. |
| 05:43.40 | Iriel | Yeah, that's the right URL |
| 05:44.07 | Corrodias | is vulgarity allowed in here? i don't remember. |
| 05:44.20 | Cairenn | fuck no, watch your god damn mouth |
| 05:44.25 | Corrodias | well, if i did remember, i wouldn't ask, probably. |
| 05:44.43 | Shadowed | you could have gotten more swear words into that Cairenn |
| 05:44.55 | Cairenn | sorry, out of practice |
| 05:44.59 | Cairenn | and thank you, Iriel |
| 05:45.04 | Corrodias | then, "holy balls", The Ship looks quite entertaining |
| 05:46.00 | Tain | hehe had someone quit my guild a couple weeks ago because he said there was too much foul language. |
| 05:46.01 | Corrodias | uh oh, i see mention of Steam. |
| 05:46.21 | Shadowed | Quick/Random question, is there a specific reason the wiki changes between "func", "func - ", "func - ?" when it has no info filled in on the API list? |
| 05:46.42 | Iriel | Because i'm not consistent, and neither were other editors? 8-) |
| 05:46.50 | Shadowed | thats what i though :p |
| 05:47.06 | Shadowed | just wanted to make sure it wasn't some sort of special meaning! |
| 05:47.46 | Iriel | Corrodias ; Do you have bad steam experiences? |
| 05:48.12 | Tain | Oh I finally got a friend of mine hooked into looking at addons. He's played WoW since beta, is a developer by trade, but never wanted to do anything but install Cosmos then Insomniax compilations. |
| 05:48.26 | Iriel | Tain |
| 05:48.27 | Tain | Finally he starts looking and is sending me messages all night last night. |
| 05:48.31 | Iriel | Tain: Yay, another soul for the fire! |
| 05:48.41 | Tain | "This Lua stuff is crazy!" |
| 05:48.59 | Iriel | Crazy good! Like coding pop-rocks. |
| 05:49.16 | ckknight | want me to get you a coke, Iriel? |
| 05:49.20 | Corrodias | i haven't used it before. i'm not sure why i have such a strong dislike for the idea of Steam... probably it was mostly because i didn't want an online service babysitting my single-player, offline experience in Half-Life 2. |
| 05:49.22 | Tain | haha yeah, and he was just looking at the Blizzard "tutorials." |
| 05:49.36 | Shadowed | tutorials ruin the fun of learning |
| 05:49.44 | ckknight | ah, that's not true |
| 05:49.46 | Shadowed | nothing like locking up your game because you made an infinite loop accidently! |
| 05:49.53 | Tain | Corrodias, I know a lot of people have had problems with Steam. But I've never had a single issue, I personally love it. |
| 05:50.01 | ckknight | many of my tutorials have assorted monkeys in them |
| 05:50.19 | Corrodias | i even heard it forces you to download and install updates! the nerve |
| 05:50.24 | Corrodias | is that false? |
| 05:50.31 | Kirov | No |
| 05:50.38 | Tain | I don't know if it forces, i always install them. |
| 05:50.39 | Kirov | You have to install updates |
| 05:50.48 | Kirov | well, updates to steam at least |
| 05:50.55 | Kirov | You can make it not update games |
| 05:50.58 | Corrodias | i rather meant for the games. |
| 05:51.02 | Iriel | One of my friends is vehemently opposed to steam because he doesn't like the idea of not owning the media for his game, but I have CD's for games I can never play again because it doesn't run on any version of windows that my hardware supports. |
| 05:51.28 | Iriel | So I personally dont mind.. I also dont mind having my games always up to date so I have no idea if that's disableable. |
| 05:51.42 | Shadowed | I havn't had any issues with Steam, but havn't used it lately |
| 05:51.54 | Shadowed | It was fun being able to get HL2 at 12:01 from Steam though |
| 05:51.55 | Tain | I don't want physical media anymore. |
| 05:52.00 | Tain | It takes up too much space. |
| 05:53.05 | ckknight | I'm definitely pro-downloading games |
| 05:53.09 | Shadowed | same |
| 05:53.12 | ckknight | such as Steam |
| 05:53.21 | Corrodias | i really have no idea why i didn't like steam, now that the issue has come up again |
| 05:53.25 | Iriel | I can see the 'Media' part of steam taking off too |
| 05:54.25 | Shadowed | As long as they have a good system for redownloading the games, or aren't strict to the point of stupidity I prefer them |
| 05:54.25 | ckknight | and hell, I installed WoW with isos I got, since one of mine broke |
| 05:54.25 | Iriel | The downloadable game trailers and stuff on XBox Live, for example, is great |
| 05:54.25 | ckknight | I paid for the game, though, so it's all good |
| 05:54.25 | Corrodias | the inability to pirate the game has not stopped me before. i bought UT and NWN games. :/ |
| 05:54.40 | Iriel | Subscription based games really SHOULD have a freely accessible downloader |
| 05:54.43 | Iriel | One of the things Guild Wars did very right |
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| 05:55.46 | Corrodias | except that guild wars -doesn't- have a subscription |
| 05:55.46 | Iriel | Well, it does, it's just perpetual |
| 05:55.46 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 05:55.46 | Iriel | But your point is valid 8-) |
| 05:55.46 | Corrodias | i see what you did there |
| 05:56.13 | Iriel | Speaking of games with free downloaders, I wonder if Dark and Light doesn't suck yet? |
| 05:56.36 | Shadowed | aww, got kicked from the group because i wouldn't join vent for UBRS :( |
| 05:56.38 | Corrodias | dark and light! THAT was the other game i wanted to check up on! |
| 05:56.45 | Iriel | Corrodias : Dont bother 8-( |
| 05:56.51 | Iriel | Corrodias : It's really really bad. |
| 05:57.25 | Corrodias | ah.... darn |
| 05:58.06 | Iriel | But, ugh, it's not pretty. |
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| 05:58.42 | Cairenn | hi s|loup |
| 05:58.43 | Corrodias | you seem to have a pretty bad impression of it. what's it like? |
| 05:58.45 | s|loup | hi |
| 05:59.04 | Thrae | Iriel: I don't suppose you could convince slouken to add an OnFade handler for GameTooltip objects, eh? |
| 05:59.13 | Tain | Speaking of bad impressions... Dungeon Runners. |
| 06:02.49 | Thrae | Bah, sorry for killing the convo. I'll just keep posting on the forums for it. |
| 06:08.21 | Cairenn | I don't think you killed the conversation, it's just one of those natural lulls that occurs as folks are busy doing [whatever else] |
| 06:08.27 | Iriel | Heh, sorry, got distracted.. I think the probability of persuasion on that is 'low' |
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| 06:09.19 | Cairenn | Iriel: I'd be willing to bet that would depend on the person doing the persuading and the method of persuasion employed ;) |
| 06:09.39 | Kirov | Cairenn - is that what you were doing in that picture then? |
| 06:09.43 | Iriel | Corrodias : It's ugly, slow, the UI is awful, the game is aimless, my starting area has nobody who will sell me a dagger, or repair it, yet my dagger has been worn into uselessness through decay. Oh, and one of the vendors is stuck int he middle of a tree, and has been since launch. |
| 06:10.09 | Cairenn | Kirov: what picture? I see no pictures :p |
| 06:21.05 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 06:21.47 | Tain | "Albert Einstein had half a dozen girlfriends and told his wife they showered him with "unwanted" affection, according to letters released on Monday that shed light on his extra-marital affairs." |
| 06:21.57 | Tain | Einstein was pimpin, who knew? |
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| 06:34.00 | Thrae | Iriel: I only asked because the game engine has ~2-second pause before starting to change GameTooltip's alpha value, during which time no notable handlers are called unless the tooltip is refreshed. |
| 06:34.36 | kergoth | woot, got that bat i wanted for my new level 11 hunter (ressan the needler, the white one in tirisfal) |
| 06:34.56 | Cairenn | grats kergoth |
| 06:35.23 | Thrae | I think Cairenn has a Level 11 Hunter too, right? :D |
| 06:35.31 | Thrae | Or was it Level 1? ;) |
| 06:35.40 | Cairenn | Cairenn has hunters of damn near every level |
| 06:36.42 | Thrae | Lucky...I've been spending $15/month lately to code addons. |
| 06:37.00 | Iriel | sub 10, sub 20, sub 30, and 60 |
| 06:37.08 | Iriel | several of the lower ones |
| 06:37.11 | Cairenn | hey Iriel, you ever play with TrN any more? |
| 06:37.44 | Cairenn | cool |
| 06:38.00 | Iriel | I got to level 27, 2 levels in one night, in fact |
| 06:38.21 | Cairenn | nice |
| 06:38.39 | Iriel | amazing how handy finishing quests (and full bars of rest XP) is |
| 06:38.41 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 06:39.02 | Iriel | I even managed to finish 3 quests on Silver Hand with my L60 last week! |
| 06:39.11 | Cairenn | unfortunately, your tailor is no more |
| 06:39.36 | Iriel | Sorry to hear that 8-(, on the bright side, I think you stocked me for at least 5 levels. |
| 06:39.36 | Cairenn | although I'm quite sure others will be more than willing to pick up the needle for you |
| 06:39.45 | Cairenn | :) |
| 06:40.15 | Cairenn | I can *barely* deal with the PvP and mom just plain can't, so I'm not there any more |
| 06:40.28 | Cairenn | I've kept one, so I can stop in to say "hi", but unless they move ... =/ |
| 06:41.19 | Cairenn | which is really a shame, I was enjoying the guild a lot |
| 06:42.22 | MentalPower | gnight folks |
| 06:42.26 | Cairenn | night MentalPower |
| 06:42.32 | Wulf4 | gmorning folks :) |
| 06:42.38 | Cairenn | morning Wulf4 |
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| 06:51.37 | Cairenn | okay, sleep time for this chickie, night all |
| 06:51.53 | Shadowed | chickle? |
| 06:51.58 | Shadowed | now theres a word I havn't heard in a while |
| 06:52.04 | s|loup | night Cairenn|sleep |
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| 07:15.49 | AnduinLothar | aww blizzard fails... ebonroc at 15% and 50% of our raid lags out |
| 07:16.02 | AnduinLothar | rogues tanked him down |
| 07:17.49 | Shadowed | Just had two people in this scholo group disconnected for about 5 minutes :/ |
| 07:18.34 | Wulf4 | you can do scholo with only 2 people.. |
| 07:19.02 | Shadowed | i never said we wiped, just that they got disconnected :p |
| 07:19.14 | kergoth | wtf, this mob just parried cower. how do you parry cower? |
| 07:19.25 | Shadowed | the same way you can parry feint! |
| 07:19.28 | Shadowed | or dodge blind |
| 07:20.01 | kergoth | hehe, quite |
| 07:20.04 | MoonWolf | you can also parry/block slice and dice. |
| 07:20.22 | MoonWolf | well, blind is a cloud of particles, so you CAN technically dodge it. |
| 07:20.54 | Shadowed | err, parry not dodge |
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| 09:10.53 | zespri | . |
| 09:11.09 | zespri | is it common to tranlate addon chat comands? |
| 09:11.39 | zespri | like /someaddon window on would be something different on german |
| 09:12.13 | Elkano | some addon authors do, some don't |
| 09:12.51 | zespri | I wonder if it make sense. I was french or german I think I would know |
| 09:14.03 | Elkano | well, I'm German but I rather like the english versions ^^ |
| 09:18.03 | zespri | ./someaddon fenster ein |
| 09:18.17 | zespri | no idea if it looks pretty =) |
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| 10:12.09 | ckknight | it's okay to fear pickles, AnduinLothar |
| 10:13.26 | ckknight | we've all had to face our picklephobia eventually |
| 10:16.08 | AnduinLothar | wha? |
| 10:16.59 | AnduinLothar | drugs are bad ck |
| 10:17.42 | wereHamster | you two don't really like each other, do you? :-P |
| 10:17.47 | AnduinLothar | you should definitely lay off the hallucinogens |
| 10:18.39 | AnduinLothar | no, i very much disslike ck. He insults me every chance he gets |
| 10:19.17 | AnduinLothar | and i dunno what his new pickle fetish is about |
| 10:19.49 | ckknight | aw |
| 10:19.50 | ckknight | I like you |
| 10:20.03 | AnduinLothar | you sure have a funny way of showing it |
| 10:20.22 | AnduinLothar | and by funny i mean rude, mean and unfriendly |
| 10:20.35 | ckknight | ~hug AnduinLothar |
| 10:20.41 | purl | ACTION hugs AnduinLothar |
| 10:20.45 | ckknight | it's just my way of showing affection |
| 10:21.08 | AnduinLothar | find a better way. |
| 10:21.45 | ckknight | regarding context, I just saw a funny Maury clip about picklephobia |
| 10:23.07 | ckknight | and you should lighten up, especially when something is obviously a joke |
| 10:23.31 | ckknight | and I don't do any drugs whatsoever, by the way |
| 10:23.39 | AnduinLothar | mmhmm |
| 10:23.43 | MoonWolf | He doesn' t even drink TEA |
| 10:24.01 | MoonWolf | Unhealthy I say, Unhealthy. |
| 10:24.01 | ckknight | Caffeine will fuck you up, man |
| 10:24.14 | wereHamster | caffeine in tea? |
| 10:24.24 | AnduinLothar | explains why it's 3:30am and i'm still up.. |
| 10:24.44 | MoonWolf | wereHamster, yes. |
| 10:25.06 | ckknight | wereHamster, most teas have caffeine |
| 10:25.30 | wereHamster | but not much.. there's much more in coffee |
| 10:25.51 | MoonWolf | " regular" tea contains about 60 grams of it.vs in the hundred for coffee |
| 10:26.03 | MoonWolf | green tea contains about 15 |
| 10:26.24 | wereHamster | wow.. you know that much about tea? |
| 10:26.24 | MoonWolf | milligrams* |
| 10:26.56 | MoonWolf | I like to know what I am eating/drinking. |
| 10:27.24 | wereHamster | me too, but not that detailed ;) |
| 10:27.59 | ckknight | http://www.ifilm.com/player/?ifilmId=2683695 <-- very cool |
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| 11:00.51 | Mikk1 | Umm.. If I have a frame on a higher strata, and have done EnableMouse(true) on it... shouldn't it eat OnMouseOver events so that frames on lower strata no longer get them? |
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| 11:03.24 | Corrodias | i wonder if you lot can convince me that, for my next game, i should return to WoW for another month or two. |
| 11:03.41 | Mikk1 | Do we want to? ;) |
| 11:03.45 | AnduinLothar | why would we want to do that? |
| 11:04.07 | AnduinLothar | wow is a horrable game. no one here plays wow |
| 11:04.13 | Mikk1 | o.O |
| 11:04.38 | AnduinLothar | i play addons.. i dunno what the rest of you play |
| 11:04.41 | Corrodias | i suspect that, as much mod devving as you do, that is very close to true |
| 11:05.00 | AnduinLothar | raid bwl tonight tho, guild first time downing the drakes |
| 11:05.18 | Mikk1 | Ooooh chromaggus next |
| 11:05.19 | Mikk1 | hf =) |
| 11:05.32 | AnduinLothar | meh, have to get to him again, it reset tonight |
| 11:05.54 | Corrodias | despite the repetition of WoW's missions usually amounting to killing the same kind of enemy 100 times, i have to admit that it -did- manage to make it sort of entertaining. |
| 11:06.15 | AnduinLothar | it's entertaining and highely addictive |
| 11:06.19 | zespri | when usualy EU patches? |
| 11:06.25 | AnduinLothar | tomorrow i think |
| 11:06.33 | AnduinLothar | weds |
| 11:06.35 | zenzio | night between Tuesday and Wednesday |
| 11:07.33 | Mikk1 | i.e. US has time to be up and play for half a day |
| 11:09.13 | zenzio | actually more like eight or nine hours |
| 11:09.30 | zenzio | well, depends on when the servers go down... |
| 11:12.11 | Corrodias | i have to find another game to play soon. if WoW isn't "it" (and even now, running across the barrens five times still does not sound like fun), i have to delve into my "list"! |
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| 11:15.02 | Mikk1 | .. ok.. now.. really... I have a Recap window under my frame.. My frame is in "FULLSCREEN_DIALOG" strata. Recap is in "LOW" or something |
| 11:15.15 | Mikk1 | My frame detects "OnEnter" when i enter it |
| 11:15.23 | Mikk1 | i keep mousing over it til i hit the Recap frame |
| 11:15.35 | Mikk1 | I DON'T get an "OnLeave" even |
| 11:15.38 | Mikk1 | event* |
| 11:15.45 | Mikk1 | But somehow the Recap window detects me mousing over it |
| 11:15.49 | Mikk1 | And resizes |
| 11:15.52 | Mikk1 | WTF IS GOING ON?! |
| 11:16.28 | Corrodias | lol blizzard |
| 11:17.54 | Mikk1 | meh. ok, not just my problem. recap does that with whatever you try to place on top of it |
| 11:18.05 | Mikk1 | it must be monitoring mouse movement or something insane like that |
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| 11:25.25 | zenzio | "During further hardware upgrades at the end of June, ironically designed to increase realm performance and stability, the gremlins seem to have returned." |
| 11:37.15 | Mikma | go gremlins |
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| 12:23.45 | AnduinLothar | night |
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| 12:43.09 | kaso| | sleep is for the weak |
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| 13:09.13 | Wynder | Morning, folks. |
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| 16:56.49 | hyperChipmunk | yay, addon sounds are bacck |
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| 17:46.26 | JoshBorke | they broke my [Crown of the Fire Festival] :( |
| 17:48.33 | zenzio | how? |
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| 17:49.38 | MoonWolf | search and replace trick ? |
| 17:50.39 | JoshBorke | it shows up as a ? in inventory and has not in game graphic |
| 17:51.09 | JoshBorke | wow, my english is so perfect, look at that, has not... |
| 17:51.35 | JoshBorke | let's try: has no in game graphic (ie worn) |
| 17:52.08 | zenzio | how odd |
| 17:53.03 | JoshBorke | indeed, almost as if they oopsed |
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| 18:03.17 | Shadowed | It's a shame they didn't keep Improved Charge bugged for a couple of patches |
| 18:11.14 | chuckg | Once you CreateFrame, is there no way to destroy it? |
| 18:11.15 | chuckg | D= |
| 18:12.25 | Cide | no |
| 18:12.33 | chuckg | Damnation. |
| 18:12.35 | Mikk1 | You can never destroy UI objects |
| 18:12.39 | Mikk1 | Why's that bad? |
| 18:12.44 | Cide | you get a reference so nilling it out destroys the reference only |
| 18:13.02 | chuckg | Well, say for instance have 40 raid frames and you're no longer in a raid... |
| 18:13.04 | chuckg | What good are they doing the user? |
| 18:13.06 | Mikk1 | Just zap all script handlers, hide the frame, and nil out the variable in the global namespac |
| 18:13.14 | Mikk1 | Oh |
| 18:13.21 | Mikk1 | Just hide em |
| 18:13.31 | chuckg | They're not hidden to the memory! |
| 18:13.40 | Mikk1 | They don't use a whole lot of Lua memory |
| 18:13.51 | Mikk1 | Regular RAM though.. yeah, a bit |
| 18:13.57 | Mikk1 | But seriously, think of all the dialogs and stuff that you can open |
| 18:14.01 | Mikk1 | They are ALL kept in RAM |
| 18:14.04 | Mikk1 | They never leave |
| 18:14.10 | Mikk1 | Your puny raid bars are nothing =P |
| 18:14.39 | chuckg | I don't have any raid bars! |
| 18:14.43 | chuckg | Was just citing a good example. |
| 18:14.46 | Mikk1 | Ah |
| 18:15.21 | Mikk1 | Well.. umm.. think of it as keeping a template in RAM for stuff that you might want to show? =) |
| 18:15.48 | chuckg | Well i was just thinking, the mod is disabled, not supposed to be processing data, would be nice to remove any trace of it beyond the lua. |
| 18:15.51 | chuckg | Guess not thougH! |
| 18:16.04 | chuckg | Not like the 5k my mod populates is a huge deal, just curious. |
| 18:20.30 | Mikk1 | Hm, well, yeah, if you're creating the frames yourself in Lua, it would make sense to be able to remove them |
| 18:20.40 | Mikk1 | Frames created from XML though... |
| 18:20.48 | Mikk1 | Zap them and you're screwed |
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| 18:24.11 | Shadowed | weird |
| 18:24.17 | Shadowed | goodinspect finally broke in 1.11.2 |
| 18:25.26 | Cide | all inspect (mods?) broke, it seems |
| 18:26.29 | Shadowed | From what I can see, they sort of still work |
| 18:26.53 | Shadowed | You can still inspect them from range, but the item icons don't appear but if they hvae something in the wirst slot you can hover over it and it'll show the item but not the items icon |
| 18:27.21 | Shadowed | s/have/have/ |
| 18:27.36 | chuckg | Not inspect mods. |
| 18:27.39 | chuckg | All inspecting :| |
| 18:27.57 | Shadowed | Can't you get the item icon from the item id? |
| 18:28.25 | chuckg | Icons are gone from default inspect frame. |
| 18:28.40 | Shadowed | not if you view them from the regular distance |
| 18:29.30 | Shadowed | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.47 | chuckg | Less. |
| 18:30.06 | chuckg | It's like 5 yards. |
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| 18:43.15 | Shadowed | So yeah, looks like GetInventoryItem inforces a range to display any info |
| 18:43.36 | Shadowed | but you can still mouse over the slot and get the item they are wearing, i'm confused :/ |
| 18:44.24 | Kirov | Shadowed - What does GetInventoryItem() return out of range? |
| 18:44.51 | Shadowed | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.54 | Shadowed | returns nothing when out of range |
| 18:45.08 | Shadowed | But it returns the item link without any problem as soon as i'm in range |
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| 18:48.58 | Cide | maybe they fixed out-of-range inspecting once and for all |
| 18:49.36 | Shadowed | Cide: You can still hover over the item, wouldn't that mean you can also get the item ID? |
| 18:49.48 | Cide | I don't know |
| 18:49.52 | Cide | actually, no |
| 18:49.55 | Cide | you can't, as far as I know |
| 18:50.02 | Kirov | Well, you can |
| 18:50.08 | Kirov | Just not from their api |
| 18:50.28 | Cide | GameTooltip:Set...Item knows item id? |
| 18:50.34 | Kirov | no |
| 18:50.51 | Kirov | but GetItemInfo() scanning can find it out |
| 18:51.08 | Cide | well, that's a rather ugly way of doing it |
| 18:51.08 | Shadowed | So wouldn't that mean in theory you could still make it work but you'd have to do a little bit of work to show th eicons? |
| 18:51.16 | Kirov | GetMailItemInfo() ftw! |
| 18:51.20 | Shadowed | would be ugly, but could technically do it? |
| 18:52.20 | Cide | probably |
| 18:52.23 | Kirov | It'd also be painfully slow. |
| 18:52.27 | Kirov | but, meh |
| 18:52.38 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 18:53.14 | Kirov | The actual function itself isn't too bad, apart from the SetHyperlink and GetText() calls |
| 18:53.14 | Cide | http://www.gamefaqs.com/ vote now! |
| 18:53.16 | Kirov | ... |
| 18:53.56 | Shadowed | I'm bored and need something to do anyway before raid |
| 18:55.43 | Kirov | I can never remember what I did with my GetInboxItemInfo() function |
| 18:59.35 | chuckg | Seems like I'm getting fewer frames since this patch. |
| 18:59.43 | chuckg | Nothing changed except wow's versin number. |
| 19:00.17 | Cide | that's what they try to make you think. |
| 19:00.23 | Cide | it's a big conspiracy. |
| 19:02.31 | chuckg | I mean I am getting fewer frames now. |
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| 19:15.31 | Kirov | is there a "next" command for iterators? |
| 19:16.01 | Thrae | Kirov: Yes, it's, well, "next". |
| 19:16.27 | Kirov | =p |
| 19:18.35 | Cide | next(table [, key]) |
| 19:25.30 | Kirov | ok, a harder question |
| 19:26.05 | Kirov | on which line of the tooltip does the enchant appear on a hearthstone? |
| 19:33.55 | Kirov | Shadowed - http://pastecode.com/1321 |
| 19:34.08 | Kirov | I think that's the 3rd or 4th time I've writen that function. |
| 19:34.11 | Kirov | changes every time |
| 19:34.22 | Kirov | And this time it works even on items with enchants! |
| 19:34.29 | Shadowed | That explains what you meant when you said painfully slow |
| 19:34.39 | Shadowed | will take a look at it though, thanks! |
| 19:35.01 | Kirov | It'll break on the zg enchant dolls, btw |
| 19:35.14 | Shadowed | Well, lets hope they don't let you equip ZG dolls |
| 19:36.26 | Kirov | actually, there are a couple other items it'll get unhappy with too. |
| 19:36.58 | Kirov | the function is designed for mailed items only, so it skips the tooltip scanning on same-name items. |
| 19:37.11 | Kirov | Which, for scanning a player, you'll still need to do. |
| 19:37.24 | Shadowed | oh, thats why you have all that extra code |
| 19:37.54 | Kirov | It also won't get an enchant on a same-name item |
| 19:38.21 | Shadowed | All I need it to do is get the texture from an item name, so shouldn't be that much of an issue |
| 19:38.28 | Kirov | basically, everything after for j=1 should be broken out in to a function, or be duplicated |
| 19:38.53 | Kirov | heh, ok |
| 19:38.59 | Kirov | same-name should work fine then. |
| 19:39.17 | Kirov | And you can skip the tooltip scanning entirely |
| 19:39.54 | Shadowed | wonder how fast it would actually be to check 28,000 items though |
| 19:40.26 | Kirov | Shadowed - about 70 milliseconds |
| 19:40.40 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 19:41.20 | Kirov | well, depending on how far down the line it is |
| 19:41.35 | Shadowed | thanks |
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| 19:55.44 | Shadowed | interesting |
| 19:55.50 | Shadowed | so it works and shows icons again, except for a few items |
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| 19:59.13 | JoshBorke | hehe |
| 19:59.18 | JoshBorke | dressing room makes you nekkid |
| 19:59.41 | Shadowed | except it keeps the shape of the item you're wearing, just not the texture |
| 20:00.22 | Shadowed | or at least did for me when i first tried it, seems to work fine now |
| 20:01.06 | JoshBorke | yea, it's kinda weird to have my skin stretched like that |
| 20:01.50 | zenzio | woot! Got to be part of the guild's first Hakkar kill |
| 20:02.17 | Shadowed | grats |
| 20:02.25 | JoshBorke | grats! |
| 20:02.36 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 20:02.37 | JoshBorke | awesome feeling being part of a first, no? |
| 20:02.49 | Shadowed | Have to figure out how to get this to scan "of the X" items now |
| 20:04.08 | zenzio | aye, it is |
| 20:06.03 | zenzio | he killed me with a 7529 hit right before he died, but it's worth it :) Don't think we had any other casualties |
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| 20:21.40 | Shadowed | thats not that bad actually |
| 20:21.48 | Shadowed | Can get it to display the icons on the inspect window with not that bad delay |
| 20:36.35 | Shadowed | damn |
| 20:36.43 | Shadowed | SetInventoryItem() will respect the inspect range in 1.12 :( |
| 20:44.48 | End | I think they should at least increase the inspect range then |
| 20:45.03 | End | I don't like having to get -that- close to inspect them |
| 20:46.02 | Kaso | i understand the RP reason for having sutch a small inspect distance but its really annoying for us who dont really care about that. |
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| 20:47.16 | End | yeah |
| 20:47.36 | krka | easy enough to automatically grab inventory when you get close enough |
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| 20:48.03 | Kaso | of course but youve still got the annoyance of attually having to get close in the first place |
| 20:48.41 | Shadowed | Think somebody said SuperInspect already grabs the inventory when you get close enough |
| 20:49.03 | qw` | the RP aspect? I think the idea of swimming with 400kilograms of equipment breaks the RP aspect more than being able to see what a player is wearing from afar |
| 20:49.48 | Shadowed | he has a point! |
| 20:49.57 | krka | Kaso you could make a p2p system where you send inventory requests |
| 20:50.11 | Shadowed | Using CommGlobal |
| 20:50.15 | Shadowed | :p |
| 20:50.23 | krka | everyone could publish lists of who they know inspect data on |
| 20:50.30 | Kaso | ha, thats a quite cleaver solution, i never would have thought of that |
| 20:50.59 | krka | if enough people got the addon, you could virtually inspect anynoe |
| 20:51.37 | Kaso | i'd never really work though, i mean if enough people Used CTA you would never have to type LFG STRAT, but you still do |
| 20:51.55 | Shadowed | Well, everyone likes being able to inspect from range |
| 20:52.39 | krka | well, CTA requires that almost players use it to be useful |
| 20:52.43 | krka | this doesn't |
| 20:52.52 | Shadowed | that too |
| 20:53.08 | krka | almost all, i mean |
| 20:53.29 | End | I think it would be interesting to query other people's addon lists |
| 20:53.34 | End | see what addons they have running |
| 20:54.17 | Kaso | Im surpised about how many people i talk to who say they run 0 addons, i dont know how they function |
| 20:54.57 | krka | how many do you use that you couldn't truly live without? |
| 20:55.47 | Kaso | hmm, well i guess i could live without most, but, Telo's Selfcast i could not play without, and MobHealth, that would be painful not to have |
| 20:56.45 | End | I'd have a really hard time without SelfCast |
| 20:58.10 | krka | what does selfcast do? |
| 20:58.19 | Kaso | Smart Selfcats |
| 20:58.30 | Kaso | Smart Selfcast spellls when you dont have a valid target for them |
| 20:59.01 | krka | i see |
| 20:59.06 | End | also, I'd have a hard time without reactionbar now too |
| 20:59.16 | krka | what's that? |
| 20:59.29 | End | switches action bars based on whether your target is friendly or not |
| 20:59.42 | End | tends to be more useful for healer type classes |
| 20:59.50 | Shadowed | I could see that being confusing at times |
| 21:00.23 | End | the only thing that gets me is if I try to heal a mind controlled target without realizing they are mind controlled |
| 21:01.24 | End | fortunately, my button 1 (my most commonly used heal) for the friendly bar is just auto attack for the enemy bar |
| 21:01.51 | End | so usually I don't end up throwing bad spells on them just because I was trying to heal |
| 21:02.04 | Kaso | Ah, end's a priest, i think that makes sense, the relyance on selfcast and similar is a think thats unque to healers i think. |
| 21:02.34 | Kaso | Man i need to learn to spell :< |
| 21:02.38 | krka | ah right... i wrote an action page changer before too... you could write lua code to set which one to show |
| 21:05.14 | End | no |
| 21:05.17 | End | I'm a druid :P |
| 21:05.34 | Kaso | Then how pray-tell do you mind control people |
| 21:05.42 | End | I'm not mind controlling them |
| 21:05.44 | End | something else is |
| 21:06.00 | End | I'm trying to heal them, but that something else mind controls them, putting them in danger of me damaging them |
| 21:06.00 | Kaso | ah |
| 21:06.38 | End | mostly that's only an issue with Hakkar, especially if a tank gets dotted |
| 21:07.35 | End | (since then he is taking damage (possibly needing heals...!), and the mages can't sheep him (which would heal him)) |
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| 21:30.40 | Shadowed | Didn't know you could get weather effects in a battleground |
| 21:31.13 | Industrial | Where do I get the colors of the classes |
| 21:31.18 | Industrial | the color values |
| 21:31.26 | Industrial | Like pink being loladin or shammy |
| 21:31.45 | Shadowed | RAID_CLASS_COLORS |
| 21:31.52 | Shadowed | RAID_CLASS_COLORS["PALADIN"] for example |
| 21:31.57 | Industrial | k, thanks |
| 21:32.58 | Kaso | is that a {r,g,b} table ? |
| 21:33.51 | Kirov | hmm |
| 21:33.55 | Shadowed | Kaso: yeah |
| 21:33.56 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 21:34.02 | Kirov | Global inspecting seems like a bad idea |
| 21:34.11 | AnduinLothar | {r=#,g=#,b=#} |
| 21:34.13 | Kirov | I have a mod named InspectHistory that does that, but it's huge |
| 21:34.21 | Shadowed | err what AnduinLothar said |
| 21:34.27 | Kaso | cool |
| 21:34.36 | Shadowed | Kirov: Was able to get it working, lag wasn't that bad if you checked for the texture in one loop and not 16something |
| 21:34.41 | Kaso | perhaps ill modify my addon to use that instea of the set table i have |
| 21:35.26 | Kirov | It'd be more useful to have a mod send out a request to CommGlobal, and if that person is on and has the mod it responds with their gear |
| 21:35.45 | Kirov | could also check party / raid members gear if they're close enough |
| 21:36.37 | Kirov | Shadowed - so, my function actually worked? |
| 21:36.53 | Kirov | wow, I didn't even test it, lol |
| 21:37.16 | Kirov | GetItemInfo and straight string comparisons are amazingly fast |
| 21:37.26 | Shadowed | Kirov: I didn't use the full thing |
| 21:37.32 | Kirov | well, figured |
| 21:37.42 | Kirov | if all you needed was the icon, it makes things a lot faster. =) |
| 21:38.09 | Shadowed | http://pastecode.com/1323 it's ugly, but it works |
| 21:38.10 | Kirov | and the string.find( itemname, "^"..name ) should be decently fast too |
| 21:39.31 | Kirov | it might be worth while to stick iteminfo[1] in to a local |
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| 21:39.56 | Kirov | though, hmm |
| 21:39.57 | Kirov | nm |
| 21:39.57 | Shadowed | I'll probably clean it up somepoint, but probably not worth it due to being fixed in 1.12 :( |
| 21:40.19 | Kirov | so, it's going to be cut down to 10 yards again? |
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| 21:40.59 | Shadowed | Well, GameTooltip:SetInventoryItem() doesn't respect the inspect range, so you can call it as long as you can see them |
| 21:41.05 | Maldivia | hmm, inspect change... how annoyinh |
| 21:41.07 | Shadowed | in 1.12 it'll actually listen to the inspect range and fail |
| 21:41.34 | Kaso | is there a hex() function , i cant find anything |
| 21:41.36 | Kirov | the inspect range is so amazingly annoying. |
| 21:42.25 | Shadowed | dunno, maybe i'll just release it as a temp thing until 1.2 then it stops working |
| 21:42.27 | Maldivia | Kaso: string.format("%x", number) |
| 21:42.36 | Kaso | thanks |
| 21:43.38 | Maldivia | from a "realistic" point of view, I can see why you can't inspect people far away -- unless you're wearing really good glasses :) |
| 21:44.35 | Maldivia | but that doesn't mean this "fix" isn't annoying :| |
| 21:44.39 | Shadowed | [48:51] <qw`> the RP aspect? I think the idea of swimming with 400kilograms of equipment breaks the RP aspect more than being able to see what a player is wearing from afar |
| 21:45.27 | Maldivia | :) |
| 21:45.36 | Maldivia | Shadowed: yeah, well - never claimed WoW was realistic :) |
| 21:47.08 | Kaso | ive got like 30 strength, a warrior can have like 400, if youre 10, 15 times stronger than me then maybe you could swim in plate |
| 21:47.23 | Kirov | How about this, for RP servers they can require people get 10 yards away, and hell, make them have to take of their gloves and chest if they want to see what wrists / shirt they're wearing. |
| 21:47.34 | Kirov | For the rest of us, leave it at something more sane |
| 21:49.55 | Maldivia | I don't get why they are changing this... it's not like its putting extra stress on the server/client - the data is present in the client anyway |
| 21:50.14 | Mikma | Shadowed: aye, that comment is so true |
| 21:51.03 | Kirov | It's on the list of "things the developer wants to enforce" |
| 21:51.20 | Shadowed | They also wanted to prevent you from joining zone channels if you wern't in that zone |
| 21:51.27 | Shadowed | they changed there mind pretty quickly about that |
| 21:51.33 | Kirov | ie: keep it that way because that's how we original designed it, and damned be those who say we were wrong |
| 21:52.04 | Kirov | Blizzard's mantra for the most part is if it's not how they intended, fix it. |
| 21:52.18 | Kirov | If it ends up causing a back lash, and isn't really that big a deal, unfix |
| 21:52.47 | Kirov | so, what's in this latest patch? |
| 21:52.53 | Maldivia | today |
| 21:52.57 | Mikma | unfix? define unfix in blizzard language :D |
| 21:53.02 | Maldivia | (in a few hours for EU) |
| 21:53.57 | Kirov | Mikma - unfix : to actually put developers on the task of looking at it objectively and making it function similarly to the way it once did, but much much dumber. |
| 21:54.54 | Mikma | Kirov: thanks ;D |
| 21:58.58 | Kirov | this patch reset macros ... |
| 21:59.02 | Kirov | curious |
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| 22:06.56 | Maldivia | Kirov: it deleted the macro caches? |
| 22:07.05 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 22:07.14 | Kirov | At least it did to my girlfriend |
| 22:07.22 | Kirov | As well as rename her addon folder |
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| 22:07.22 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 22:07.29 | End | oh oh, it's Iriel! |
| 22:07.31 | Shadowed | All of mine we're fine, but those were for character not global |
| 22:07.32 | Kirov | Iriel - make them fix it! |
| 22:09.01 | Kirkburn | Is it a patch day? |
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| 22:09.12 | Kirov | Kirkburn - aye |
| 22:09.18 | Kirov | Badness abound |
| 22:09.22 | Iriel | "It" being what? the inspect change? |
| 22:09.26 | Kirkburn | That was a quick turnaround |
| 22:09.34 | Kirov | Iriel - dunno, just bitching |
| 22:10.06 | Iriel | If so, I've been waiting for the 2 to be made consistent for some time, having the check function and API different have annoyed me since the first time I was aware they were! |
| 22:10.24 | Shadowed | The CheckInteractDistance? |
| 22:10.25 | Iriel | Mind you, I might have made the change the other way (Update the interact distance) |
| 22:10.37 | Iriel | but I assume the ranges in there came from the designers |
| 22:10.42 | Kirov | Yes |
| 22:10.45 | End | yeah, they probably did |
| 22:10.46 | Iriel | So the appropriate forum for a change request will be 'suggestions' |
| 22:10.55 | End | hopefully they can be pressured to change |
| 22:10.56 | End | yeah |
| 22:11.10 | Iriel | There may be rationale behind having the limit low. |
| 22:11.23 | Kirov | These are designers |
| 22:11.34 | Kirkburn | One way of keeping down bandwidth, is a possibility |
| 22:11.37 | Kirov | They can rationalize anything, doesn't mean they're right. |
| 22:11.40 | Iriel | The amount of whining about this is a bit annoying, though unsurprising, the standard UI prohibited you from doing it. |
| 22:11.41 | End | I can't think of one except for "it's more realistic"! |
| 22:11.53 | End | and I doubt it helps bandwidth |
| 22:11.53 | Kirov | Kirkburn - how? The data is already sent the client. |
| 22:12.12 | End | yeah, the client has to know details about playerX's armor already to -draw- it |
| 22:12.19 | Kirkburn | hrm |
| 22:12.21 | Kirov | Iriel - except it didn't, since /inspect always worked afaik |
| 22:12.32 | Kirkburn | Just how far could you inspect before? Infinite? |
| 22:12.39 | End | they had to be "visible" |
| 22:12.43 | Maldivia | inspect was visual range |
| 22:12.44 | Kirov | Kirkburn - UnitExists() range |
| 22:12.50 | Kirkburn | I see now :) |
| 22:13.03 | Iriel | Not UnitExists |
| 22:13.05 | Iriel | UnitIsVisible |
| 22:13.10 | Maldivia | Kirov: no, UnitIsVisible() range |
| 22:13.12 | End | erm, isn't party1 something that exists? |
| 22:13.19 | End | (or party whatever) |
| 22:13.23 | Kirov | Used to be the same ... :P |
| 22:13.25 | End | assuming you -do- have other party members |
| 22:13.38 | Kirov | though I digress |
| 22:13.43 | End | anyways |
| 22:13.50 | Maldivia | Kirov: has never been the same, UnitExists("party1") will be true when you join a party, even when you're on different continents |
| 22:14.23 | Kirov | shush |
| 22:14.39 | Maldivia | grrr... billing day... |
| 22:16.35 | Kirov | One reason for a 10 yard distance is privacy, people have to run up to you to inspect you, so you kinda' know you're being inspected. |
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| 22:16.43 | Kirov | Personally, I prefered ignorance |
| 22:17.23 | Kirkburn | Heh, it's fun when you know exactly what someone is doing standing right next to you :P |
| 22:17.31 | Kirov | pre DressUp and GoodInspect I have bad memories of 30 people crowding around me tryin to see my new armor / weapon. |
| 22:18.02 | End | yeah |
| 22:18.28 | Kirov | Usually because I was trying to see it myself, but all I could see was the armor of everyone else mashed together |
| 22:18.28 | End | I don't want people sniffing my ass |
| 22:18.47 | Kirov | End - that's an especially serious problem for alliance |
| 22:19.23 | Kirov | Though, one benefit of being a dwarf is the eye height is exactly chest height of the female humans and night elves. |
| 22:19.25 | Kirov | ... |
| 22:19.43 | Shadowed | ... |
| 22:19.55 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 22:20.21 | Shadowed | SO ANYWAY |
| 22:20.54 | End | o_O |
| 22:21.21 | tem | ok, so it's BWL night for my guild |
| 22:21.29 | tem | any bets on how blizzard will screw us this week? |
| 22:21.43 | Kirov | tem - the double spawn bug will return? |
| 22:22.04 | End | you are alliance right Tem? In that case, all 10 storms will drop. |
| 22:22.16 | tem | in the last month, we haven't had our first night of BWL go right |
| 22:22.17 | tem | ever |
| 22:22.37 | End | naw, you'll one shot every boss, but you'll just get shammy loot only |
| 22:22.49 | tem | between the server going belly up 10 minutes before pulling razor, a patch at prime time, ect... |
| 22:22.58 | Kirkburn | (just checking - that 'impossible' isn't it?) |
| 22:23.03 | tem | it is |
| 22:23.13 | tem | when Shaman loot would drop, it picks another item on the loot table |
| 22:23.14 | Kirov | kirkburn - before this patch, yes |
| 22:23.16 | tem | (iirc) |
| 22:23.26 | End | I think Shaman and Paladin loot just share the same slot |
| 22:23.27 | Kirov | now, who knows |
| 22:23.40 | End | and it switches just based on faction |
| 22:23.44 | Kirov | I'm expecting dungeon set gear to drop in BWL |
| 22:23.48 | End | (when either gets selected) |
| 22:24.02 | tem | the theory in my guild is that if Ten Storms would drop, you get one of the non-class drops |
| 22:24.17 | End | hmm |
| 22:24.23 | tem | I think that theory is wrong because it could allow say Razor to not drop any bracers at all |
| 22:24.29 | End | yeah |
| 22:24.49 | End | my guild has had double 10 storm bracers drop before too (me being horde) |
| 22:25.04 | Kirkburn | It's sad when we all become so cynical |
| 22:25.07 | tem | We've killed Nef 3 times |
| 22:25.13 | Kirov | The theory in my guild is that shamans don't exist, they're just made up like tooth fairies and easter bunnies |
| 22:25.16 | tem | first time was NW, Wrath |
| 22:25.23 | tem | second was double Wrath |
| 22:25.30 | Kirkburn | (it's like England, but concentrated in a single chat channel) |
| 22:25.30 | tem | third was double wrath |
| 22:25.50 | tem | all of our warriors have 5 or more peices of wrath |
| 22:25.51 | Shadowed | yesterday was two dragonstalker BP's, rogue boots, and some other item that nobody wanted :( |
| 22:25.58 | Kirov | kirk - *badoom chhh* |
| 22:26.01 | tem | there isn't a single hunter or mage above 4 peices |
| 22:26.29 | Kirkburn | Why thank you Kirov, you may remove your Dunce hat :P |
| 22:27.53 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-frostmane&t=228934&p=1&tmp=1#post228934 ironic |
| 22:28.19 | End | hahaha |
| 22:28.27 | End | that's great |
| 22:28.37 | Shadowed | I bet that guy could report them all for abuse |
| 22:29.00 | End | probably |
| 22:29.34 | Shadowed | Report them all, ask GM to clear inbox, transfer, create new character. nobody will ever know! |
| 22:30.04 | End | yeah, that's true |
| 22:30.48 | Shadowed | Granted I doubt he's smart enough to do that, but he could if he realized it! |
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| 22:39.25 | zespri_work | wowwiki is down.... |
| 22:40.10 | Kirov | hmm... this whole "patch" thing certainly killed off the Comm thread |
| 22:40.26 | Shadowed | ? |
| 22:40.33 | Wobin | we must resurrect it! |
| 22:40.35 | Wobin | Can you relink it? |
| 22:40.36 | End | lol |
| 22:40.49 | Iriel | It probably only'died' because of Login Server Down itis |
| 22:41.08 | Shadowed | all the way down to page 4 |
| 22:41.13 | Kirov | Iriel - This is no time or place for logic! |
| 22:41.20 | Legorol | helo, i'm back from my away mission |
| 22:41.31 | Legorol | Comm thread? did i miss something fun |
| 22:41.38 | Kirov | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=406803&p=9 |
| 22:41.42 | Kirov | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=406803&p=1 |
| 22:41.44 | Kirov | actually |
| 22:41.58 | Kirov | if you don't want to start at the end |
| 22:42.33 | Iriel | Lego will read the whole thread I'm sure |
| 22:42.39 | Wobin | Kirov: hehe I've been keeping up with that thread =) |
| 22:42.48 | Iriel | He's got thoroughness running through his veins |
| 22:43.25 | Legorol | Iriel, actually i just got scared by the 9 pages |
| 22:43.33 | Legorol | that's unprecedented for a non-sticky on the UI forum ;-) |
| 22:43.42 | End | unless it is a screenshot thread ;p |
| 22:43.43 | Kirov | apart from the screenshot thread |
| 22:43.53 | Legorol | yeah but that's not serious modding... |
| 22:43.54 | Kirov | or a blue |
| 22:43.59 | End | the? there is no the! |
| 22:44.12 | Wobin | It's a great thread, Leg =) |
| 22:44.24 | Legorol | i'll read it, prolly not tonight though.. |
| 22:44.25 | Wobin | It actually has constructive comments in it =P |
| 22:44.27 | Kirov | I've posted my UI in there like all of ... never |
| 22:44.31 | Maldivia | Kaso ? |
| 22:44.46 | Kaso | yes? |
| 22:44.47 | Legorol | after the bus driver got lost on its way from the airport to my city, i'm a bit tired |
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| 22:44.59 | Kirkburn1 | (scream) |
| 22:45.00 | Legorol | this is a national level coach service, mind you |
| 22:45.05 | Legorol | not your local minibus for hire |
| 22:45.07 | Wobin | gah. Worst trip home ever =( |
| 22:45.08 | Wobin | Well. |
| 22:45.14 | Wobin | Second worst trip home ever anyway |
| 22:45.40 | Maldivia | Kaso, I wrote a "Heads Up" about the inspect changes for the EU forums, but I'm on billing limbo, so cant post :| |
| 22:45.54 | Kirov | Legorol - For a thread, apart from the "don't listen to AL, he hates everyone" comments is surprisingly full of constructive conversation. |
| 22:46.09 | Maldivia | Kaso: was thinking you might post it instead? |
| 22:46.17 | Kaso | lemmme check i can post |
| 22:47.13 | Tem | Maldivia, inspect changes? |
| 22:47.21 | Kaso | yeh i can post, /msg it over or something |
| 22:47.28 | Maldivia | Tem: yes, Blizzard fixed the range for inspect |
| 22:47.40 | Tem | nooooo! |
| 22:47.47 | Kirov | well, more specifically they fixed the range for GetInventoryItem() |
| 22:47.55 | End | of course, it was a fix that noone wanted |
| 22:47.57 | Kirov | but not :SetInventoryItem() |
| 22:48.00 | Maldivia | hmm, alternative to pastebin ? |
| 22:48.04 | End | pastecode? |
| 22:48.08 | Legorol | btw, does anyone happen to have a link to the EU gb 0.11.2 test realm downloader? |
| 22:48.25 | Legorol | preferably the original link to the one on the Blizz site |
| 22:48.36 | Legorol | char copy page is down, but the download link usually works |
| 22:48.43 | Legorol | i guess EU has gone to sleep |
| 22:48.46 | Maldivia | lego, PTR is gone |
| 22:49.56 | Legorol | O.o |
| 22:49.57 | AnduinLothar | I hate you all |
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| 22:50.06 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, we love you too |
| 22:50.11 | Kirov | <3 |
| 22:50.47 | End | uh oh, AnduinLothar is being HATEFUL |
| 22:50.50 | Legorol | Maldivia: what do you mean |
| 22:50.57 | AnduinLothar | did someone actually say that kirov? I must have convieniently skimmed over it |
| 22:51.01 | Legorol | gone as in servers dont come up? |
| 22:51.14 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - not in so many words. |
| 22:51.24 | Kirov | they used a lot more |
| 22:51.33 | Wobin | hehe |
| 22:51.50 | Wobin | End: That comment is so -British- =P |
| 22:52.10 | Kirkburn | We rock :D |
| 22:52.14 | End | I'm not a limey brit though! |
| 22:52.23 | Wobin | You've been assimilated |
| 22:52.25 | Kirov | More refering to comments people made about Sky. |
| 22:52.27 | Legorol | what inspect changes? |
| 22:52.29 | Kirkburn | End loses three points on the coolness scale |
| 22:52.35 | AnduinLothar | oh, they hate Sky, definitely |
| 22:52.45 | Legorol | Sky-bashing is very popular |
| 22:52.46 | AnduinLothar | everyone hates Sky, didn't you know? |
| 22:52.51 | Wobin | Granted, the majority of comments about Sky have been about past version |
| 22:52.52 | Wobin | s |
| 22:52.57 | Kirov | The UI community owes a lot of debt to comsos. |
| 22:52.57 | End | does -Sky- hate Sky? |
| 22:52.57 | Kirkburn | It keeps falling on you, y'know |
| 22:53.04 | Legorol | End: sometimes it does |
| 22:53.07 | End | :O |
| 22:53.08 | Kirov | cosmos |
| 22:53.22 | Legorol | comsos almost sounds russian |
| 22:53.27 | Kirkburn | (just so you know, I said "falling" not failing) |
| 22:53.27 | Wobin | The rest of them have been about how we need to redirect the topic away from anything specifically Sky and more to the methodology/protocol =P |
| 22:53.30 | AnduinLothar | poor russians |
| 22:54.00 | AnduinLothar | ck believes a protocol with no addon req is the way to go |
| 22:54.11 | Kirov | I'd agree. |
| 22:54.14 | Tem | ditto |
| 22:54.14 | AnduinLothar | I think it's dumb to impliment the same thing multiple times |
| 22:54.16 | Wobin | which will work, if everyone sticks to it =) |
| 22:54.18 | Legorol | no, definitely need an addon |
| 22:54.27 | Legorol | because there are some basic tasks that everyone would have to implement: |
| 22:54.33 | Wobin | Legorol: Can you see -everyone- using the same addon? |
| 22:54.35 | Legorol | splitting messages to chunks, |
| 22:54.36 | Kirkburn | In Soviet Russia addons protocol YOU |
| 22:54.39 | Wobin | Legorol: Who is going to code it? |
| 22:54.40 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - true, but would you use Ace's code? |
| 22:54.43 | Legorol | Kirkburn: lol |
| 22:54.57 | Legorol | ok, there is splitting, scheduling, and escaping (e.g. | and s) |
| 22:55.01 | Wobin | Legorol: The problem with a single library, isn't the code |
| 22:55.04 | Wobin | It's the coders =P |
| 22:55.05 | Kirov | People have their preferences to coding styles / implementation. |
| 22:55.06 | AnduinLothar | ya and anyone who's ever tried joingin updating or changing channels on login shoudl knwo an addon is preferable |
| 22:55.06 | End | I'd want a "standardized" protocol with a example embedded library anyone could throw into their addon to use |
| 22:55.08 | Legorol | you can include these in a protocol, yes |
| 22:55.23 | Kirkburn | Didn't someone just start this on the wowwiki? |
| 22:55.27 | Wobin | yes |
| 22:55.35 | Legorol | actually i'm getting convinced here... |
| 22:55.42 | Legorol | that maybe a protocol is better |
| 22:55.48 | Legorol | with a reference implementation |
| 22:55.53 | AnduinLothar | if you cut and paste the lib's code that defeats the point of it being embeddable |
| 22:55.56 | AnduinLothar | or a lib |
| 22:56.04 | Tem | *eyeroll* |
| 22:56.05 | Kirov | I believe a protocol is needed, because you'll NEVER convince everyone to use one addon. |
| 22:56.39 | Kirov | Even an embeded lib |
| 22:56.42 | Thrae | Mikk1: You around? |
| 22:56.43 | Tem | exactly |
| 22:56.45 | Legorol | Maldivia: coming back to your earlier comment, what did you mean by the PTR being gone? |
| 22:57.04 | Kirov | Doesn't matter how easy you make it, people won't use it. |
| 22:57.16 | Kirov | They're "more" likely to use a protocol if it's kept simple enough. |
| 22:57.17 | Legorol | the reference implementation could be an embeddable library |
| 22:57.22 | Legorol | that will at least discourage copy/paste |
| 22:57.26 | Maldivia | Legorol: wasn't the PTRs closed this morning, since the 1.11.2 patch was released? |
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| 22:57.33 | Legorol | it was? |
| 22:57.36 | Kirov | yes |
| 22:57.40 | Legorol | ah |
| 22:57.43 | AnduinLothar | well, they have yet to iron out the protocol. Once they figure out all the details perhaps i'll like it better |
| 22:57.45 | Legorol | not in EU yet :) |
| 22:57.50 | Kirov | And broke everyone's mods, killed babies, etc. |
| 22:57.53 | Kirkburn | It's not wednesday, foo |
| 22:57.54 | Legorol | that'd explain why i can't download it though |
| 22:57.58 | Legorol | it breaks mods? |
| 22:58.00 | Legorol | oh noees |
| 22:58.08 | Legorol | are the files on wdn? |
| 22:58.10 | Kirkburn | As ever, disables out-of-date I guess |
| 22:58.30 | Legorol | can someone point me to a thread about what changed with inspection? |
| 22:58.37 | AnduinLothar | the thing is i don't think you CAN make it simple enough |
| 22:58.37 | Kirov | I just wish lua's sub wasn't so slow |
| 22:58.39 | Legorol | wdn doesn't have 1.11.2 :( |
| 22:58.58 | AnduinLothar | but w/e i wont stop you from trying |
| 22:59.00 | Legorol | i agree with AnduinLothar about it not being simple. there are lots of details to work out |
| 22:59.08 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: Hey, remembered when you asked me about a function that allowed ANCHOR_CURSOR to have an offset without going off the screen? |
| 22:59.11 | Legorol | but it can be a complicated protocol ;-) |
| 22:59.14 | Thrae | s/remembered/remember/. |
| 22:59.21 | Kirov | Legorol - here's the skinny - GetInventoryItem() is limited to 10 yards. :SetInventoryItem() is not, but will be for 1.12 |
| 22:59.25 | AnduinLothar | blizz implemented it |
| 22:59.35 | Rushster | Anyone seen Cair? |
| 22:59.43 | Legorol | Kirov: hm... why the change? |
| 22:59.50 | AnduinLothar | well, not an offset |
| 23:00.01 | Kirov | Legorol - Why not? |
| 23:00.22 | Kirov | Legorol - Blizzard has always intended it to be limited to 10 yards, they're just finally getting around to fixing it. |
| 23:00.24 | Legorol | did Blizz perceive it as a problem? |
| 23:00.28 | Legorol | aha |
| 23:00.44 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: Yeah, ClampedToScreen was implemented, but for the offset you can use tooltip:SetPoint in an OnUpdate script in conjunction with ANCHOR_CURSOR (or ANCHOR_NONE if you want it to fadeout) |
| 23:00.53 | End | oh |
| 23:00.57 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.00 | Kirov | Granted, I have a feeling everyone (but RPers) think otherwise. |
| 23:01.14 | Kirov | End - 20 yards? Good, that was my guess as well. |
| 23:01.18 | Kirov | 20-25 |
| 23:01.30 | End | I dunno I guess |
| 23:01.33 | End | slouken just posted that |
| 23:01.41 | Kirov | ClampedToScreen is my new best friend |
| 23:01.46 | Thrae | End: I was wondering why my Night Elf needed glasses to see armour a few yards away ;) |
| 23:01.48 | AnduinLothar | Thrae: yeah isn't that what i said? |
| 23:01.52 | End | lol |
| 23:02.31 | AnduinLothar | ClampedToScreen makes scores of lines of code obsolete |
| 23:02.40 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: I think End said it first, but yeah. |
| 23:02.40 | AnduinLothar | now if only it worked for the top.. |
| 23:02.48 | Maldivia | double distance... that's always a start, but ohh no, all those addons that depends on UnitInteractRange(or what ever it's called) for being 10 yards when called with inspect-range will be fubar :) |
| 23:02.57 | End | hehe |
| 23:03.40 | Shadowed | so basically |
| 23:03.44 | Shadowed | C'thun warner is broken :p |
| 23:03.50 | Kirov | Yeah, my thoughts exactly |
| 23:03.56 | Shadowed | my thoughs? |
| 23:03.58 | Shadowed | YAY! |
| 23:04.03 | End | What's so special about C'thun and 10 yards? |
| 23:04.16 | Kirov | hmm |
| 23:04.19 | Shadowed | It's (about) the range that you have to be or he'll bounce green beams between you guys and kill you |
| 23:04.27 | Kirov | inspect is 5 1/2 yards |
| 23:04.29 | Kirov | ick |
| 23:04.30 | End | I see o_O |
| 23:04.32 | Wobin | Tentaclerape reach? |
| 23:04.47 | Kirkburn | 5 1/2? |
| 23:04.56 | Wobin | ~c'thun |
| 23:04.58 | purl | *** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - 5~ sec! *** |
| 23:05.49 | Kirov | I believe it uses the trade distance for the outer limit though |
| 23:05.49 | Kirov | "red" is inspect |
| 23:05.49 | Shadowed | It uses 5 1/2 for the "omg you're going to die" alert |
| 23:05.57 | Neronix | So blizz changed the ranges to break boss mods? |
| 23:06.10 | End | hah, I doubt that |
| 23:06.10 | Kirov | I never thought PlaySoundFile being broken would make me happy until we did C'Thun |
| 23:06.11 | Shadowed | well really when you say boss mods, it's only really c'thun and thaddius |
| 23:06.20 | End | most bosses don't care about range like that |
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| 23:07.06 | Shadowed | "The goblin mail-o-matic 3000 has delivered me your petition" - GM's are always fun to talk to |
| 23:07.43 | Kirov | your GMs must be cooler than ours |
| 23:07.51 | Wobin | "However, your request arrived, half burnt out, and half covered in soot... so if you could clarify your situation..." |
| 23:07.54 | Tem | they each have some sort of fun phrase like that |
| 23:08.11 | Maldivia | hmm, I want a boss mod, so when I press the hotkey, it looks like I'm typing something in Word... :) |
| 23:08.13 | snurre | http://www.jonnyworld.co.uk/2006/07/world-cup-final-2006.html <-- drunk english/french/german GMs in paris during the WC finals :p |
| 23:08.37 | Shadowed | They even said that they're closing the ticket. Thats a new one |
| 23:08.59 | Wobin | Maldivia: "You look like you're trying to kill C'thun! Azeroth Office Assistant can help you in this endeavour..." |
| 23:09.20 | Legorol | btw, am i the only person here who feels it's inappropriate for www.wow-europe.com to carry a banner congratulating Italy on its victory? |
| 23:09.21 | Kaso | ha ha ha |
| 23:09.23 | Kirov | Shadowed - he must be new, he'll be fired next week |
| 23:09.35 | Kaso | Wobin that was comedy gold |
| 23:09.41 | Shadowed | haha |
| 23:09.49 | End | no, not comedy gold. just damn scary |
| 23:10.00 | Maldivia | Wobin: "ohh it looks like you're about to wipe, the Azeroth Office Assistant will no cast DI. Please reboot to continue" |
| 23:10.12 | End | I don't want Azeorth Office Assistance's help in anyway thank you very much |
| 23:10.18 | snurre | Legorol: why would it be? any nation (european at least) would be congratulated that way.. irrelevant, however, it is. |
| 23:10.54 | Kirov | Legorol - odd, the us site doesn't have anything about italy winning ... oh right, americans hate any "football" not their own since they always get their asses kicked. |
| 23:11.08 | End | it's not that we hate it |
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| 23:11.19 | End | it's that generally we just don't care |
| 23:11.21 | Legorol | snurre: it's not the nation, it's the topic |
| 23:11.22 | End | (I think) |
| 23:11.26 | Legorol | football has nothing to do with wow |
| 23:11.37 | Legorol | i don't want to go to the main wow website to be greeted by a football reference |
| 23:11.57 | Kirov | End - And yet we love nascar, baseball and american foodball. |
| 23:12.02 | snurre | indeed, I agree that it shouldn't really be there.. I guess it's due to the massive interest it has in europe |
| 23:12.08 | End | Kirov: well, there -is- that |
| 23:12.09 | Legorol | if someone made a post about it on general forum, it woudl be shooed to off-topic |
| 23:12.19 | Kirov | gaud the general american populous are idiots |
| 23:12.24 | End | speaking of foodball *goes home* |
| 23:12.27 | snurre | us'ians don't even know what football is called, and made up some retarded nickname for it |
| 23:12.29 | End | whoops |
| 23:12.32 | Legorol | snurre: i agree that there is large interest... but still, it is no justification for putting it on main page |
| 23:12.39 | End-afk | wrong slash command dammit |
| 23:12.40 | snurre | agreed |
| 23:12.55 | Kirov | snurre - I'd like to point out I actually called it football |
| 23:13.06 | snurre | /pats :) |
| 23:13.11 | Kirkburn | There are many Italian players |
| 23:13.15 | Kirov | Since, you know, you actually use your feet to hit the ball unlike another same-name sport |
| 23:13.33 | Kirov | American football is really just rugby for wusses anyway |
| 23:13.38 | Kirkburn | And I mean *lots* - it's a community website, most importantly |
| 23:13.42 | AnduinLothar | do you get different rep from different leveld mobs with the same name? |
| 23:13.50 | snurre | As Legorol said, it's not which nation, but the fact that it's there at all |
| 23:14.24 | Kirov | I want to see a rugby team vs. an american football team. |
| 23:14.29 | Tem | so, I heard that they called him a "dirty terrorist" |
| 23:14.34 | Kirkburn | He denies it |
| 23:14.38 | Tem | and that's what provoked the headbut |
| 23:14.40 | Tem | t |
| 23:14.42 | Kirov | and watch the american football team get their asses handed to them. |
| 23:14.53 | Tem | hey, I'll go with the USC theorum here |
| 23:14.58 | Tem | we tied Italy |
| 23:15.04 | Kirkburn | Raunchy |
| 23:15.08 | Tem | therefore we can also call ourselves the champs |
| 23:15.13 | Tem | and the AP will vote us that way |
| 23:15.30 | Kirkburn | Viva Italia |
| 23:15.40 | Kirkburn | ;) |
| 23:15.42 | Kirov | I'm fairly certain that if a fully armored american football player ran head long in to a rugby player's head the american football player would be knocked out and the rugby player would keep going. |
| 23:15.45 | Legorol | you see, the problem is i couldn't care less about football... |
| 23:15.52 | Tem | not that I give to shits about football/soccer |
| 23:15.59 | snurre | ITS NOT CALLED SOCCER!!!! |
| 23:16.00 | Kirkburn | Neither do I, but many others do |
| 23:16.07 | Tem | s/to/two/ |
| 23:16.10 | snurre | ITS NOT CALLED SOCCER!!!! |
| 23:16.11 | snurre | :p |
| 23:16.16 | Tem | I'm just glad to see france not win |
| 23:16.19 | Kirkburn | American football ~= football :P |
| 23:16.38 | Tem | I very much enjoy american football |
| 23:16.44 | Kirov | american football should be renamed minitankball |
| 23:16.47 | Kirkburn | They hardly even use their feet, for goodness sake |
| 23:16.57 | Tem | punt? |
| 23:17.04 | Tem | field goal |
| 23:17.07 | Kaso | "every red blooded american knowns that real football involves throwing and catching egg-shaped ball" |
| 23:17.10 | Tem | aaaand that's it |
| 23:17.11 | Kirkburn | IneedKevlarArmorCosImABigSoftieBall |
| 23:17.20 | Kirkburn | Shortened to be SoftieBall |
| 23:17.27 | snurre | I'm divided; As I am currently living in France it would be less of an anti-climax if France won, but at least I can sleep at nights since they're not driving around hooting their car horns and yelling 24/7, like they did after the 8th-, quarter- and semi-finals |
| 23:17.48 | Tem | lol |
| 23:17.57 | Kirov | snurre - hey, it could be like americans. |
| 23:18.00 | Kirkburn | Sounds much like Perigua after the semi final |
| 23:18.05 | Kirkburn | *Perugia |
| 23:18.06 | Kirov | 2 weeks in and no one wanted to talk about it anymore |
| 23:18.20 | Tem | less |
| 23:18.36 | Kirkburn | Btw, why is this known to be CMs? http://www.jonnyworld.co.uk/2006/07/world-cup-final-2006.html |
| 23:18.36 | Tem | This guy I work with is from south america |
| 23:18.40 | Kirov | Tem - there are actually, for some reason, some big footbal fans at my office. |
| 23:18.42 | Tem | and he wouldn't stfu about it |
| 23:18.53 | Tem | the rest of us couldn't care less |
| 23:18.56 | snurre | Kirkburn: a little bird told me :p |
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| 23:19.34 | Neronix | I'm happy my country won. And that's it really |
| 23:19.35 | Kirkburn | It's a CM's blog? |
| 23:19.46 | Neronix | And happy that England got their arses handed to them |
| 23:19.53 | snurre | nah, but a RL friend of mine (and CMs/GMs) |
| 23:19.58 | Kirkburn | That's harsh |
| 23:20.02 | Neronix | Forces them to wake up and be the great team they can be |
| 23:20.06 | zinor | ah world cup |
| 23:20.07 | Kirkburn | Ooh, I see |
| 23:20.09 | zinor | did you guys see that zidane site |
| 23:20.14 | zinor | someone linked it to me last night |
| 23:20.15 | Kirkburn | nope |
| 23:20.16 | zinor | its hillarious |
| 23:20.16 | snurre | ggzidane.com ? |
| 23:20.19 | zinor | sec let me find the link |
| 23:20.19 | zinor | ya |
| 23:20.19 | zinor | that |
| 23:20.37 | Neronix | And Zidane ruined his swan song |
| 23:20.38 | zinor | lol they added more |
| 23:20.38 | snurre | the site was regged before the match ended :p |
| 23:20.43 | zinor | haha |
| 23:20.54 | Kirkburn | Italy's best player, natch |
| 23:21.30 | snurre | i love that vote :p |
| 23:21.36 | zinor | i picked half-life :D |
| 23:22.12 | Neronix | I picked bull by accident >.< |
| 23:22.16 | zinor | :s |
| 23:22.23 | Kirkburn | Suitable! http://www.ggzidane.com/gallery/zidane21.gif |
| 23:22.26 | zinor | the comments are so bad |
| 23:22.30 | zinor | everyone just makes fun of each other :x |
| 23:22.42 | zinor | kind of like the wow forums |
| 23:22.44 | zinor | all trolls |
| 23:22.47 | Neronix | Oh yes |
| 23:22.53 | Neronix | + engrish |
| 23:23.01 | Neronix | + prepubescence |
| 23:23.17 | Neronix | with a huge dollop of immaturity |
| 23:23.36 | zinor | haha |
| 23:23.41 | zinor | http://www.ggzidane.com/gallery/zidane36.gif |
| 23:23.43 | zinor | best one |
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| 23:27.39 | Kaso | Ha ha ha, im testing some stuff with ice barrier, i say how much is the value of rank 1 to this mage, and hes like, "theres only 1 rank". |
| 23:28.44 | zinor | i dont get it :x |
| 23:28.49 | Kaso | theres 4 ranks |
| 23:29.00 | snurre | http://www.ggzidane.com/gallery/zidane41.gif is funny if you've seen http://futebolez.blogs.sapo.pt/57499.html |
| 23:29.26 | snurre | or http://www.redcafe.net/showthread.php?p=2358262 |
| 23:29.27 | Shadowed | Some of those are funny, some are just stupid |
| 23:29.39 | zinor | ya |
| 23:31.20 | Neronix | http://www.ggzidane.com/images/zidane33.gif |
| 23:31.22 | AnduinLothar | anyone know how rep gain in bg's works now? |
| 23:31.34 | Shadowed | AnduinLothar: Which BG? |
| 23:31.45 | snurre | you get rep if you are on threatlist |
| 23:32.15 | Shadowed | WSG is 35 rep per a capture, AB is 10 rep per a tick and a tick is ever 250 points i believe |
| 23:32.20 | Shadowed | or maybe it was 200, one of those |
| 23:32.35 | Kirkburn | Crouch, he's a lanky one |
| 23:33.11 | snurre | he's a giraffe |
| 23:33.16 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/img/326a8f5ad4dc04ca9a5cd7e20e29f63f8654333a/zidanesf9ee.gif <-- funniest Zidane gif |
| 23:34.10 | Legorol | so, who is Zidane, and what's all this commosion about him/her |
| 23:34.17 | Kirkburn | Rain in Desolace too now, it seems |
| 23:34.19 | Legorol | s/commosion/commotion/ |
| 23:34.27 | Kaso | he headbutted someone else in a football match |
| 23:34.31 | Kirkburn | hah |
| 23:34.44 | Kirkburn | One of the best football players the world has ever seen (apparently) |
| 23:34.46 | Neronix | Legorol: Arguably one of the best footballers of his generation |
| 23:34.59 | Legorol | he looks a bit... aged |
| 23:34.59 | zinor | and he headbutted a guy in the world cup finals |
| 23:35.02 | Legorol | lol |
| 23:35.07 | zinor | ya the street fighter one is good kaso |
| 23:35.10 | Legorol | did he get a red card? |
| 23:35.12 | Neronix | Legorol: The WC final was his retirement match |
| 23:35.13 | Kirkburn | This was his last ever game |
| 23:35.13 | snurre | zidane = one of the best footballers ever, captain of the french team. In his last international football match ever, 10 minutes before the end, he headbutts another player and gets sent off |
| 23:35.14 | zinor | ya |
| 23:35.14 | Neronix | and yes |
| 23:35.18 | zinor | which pissed off the french team |
| 23:35.21 | zinor | cuz he was basically their hero |
| 23:35.22 | Neronix | after 5 mins of the ref wondering wtf happened |
| 23:35.28 | zinor | and then france lost |
| 23:35.29 | Kaso | he might get his red card revoked |
| 23:35.36 | zinor | Kaso, i doubt it |
| 23:35.38 | snurre | doesn't matter |
| 23:35.39 | zinor | if he did theyd have to redo the game |
| 23:35.40 | Kirkburn | Aye, me too |
| 23:35.42 | Legorol | does it matter |
| 23:35.45 | Neronix | Kaso: how? |
| 23:36.16 | Kirkburn | It's the world cup, legorol :P |
| 23:36.16 | Kaso | cos apparently none of the refs saw it |
| 23:36.16 | Kirkburn | 4th official did |
| 23:36.16 | Kirov | How does that work |
| 23:36.27 | Kirkburn | That's the official line |
| 23:36.27 | zinor | ya one ref did |
| 23:36.29 | Kaso | the debate is that the 4th might have only seen it on TV replay that isnt allowed |
| 23:36.36 | zinor | hrm |
| 23:36.44 | zinor | either way |
| 23:36.45 | zinor | i think he deserved it |
| 23:36.46 | Kirkburn | Even so, the fact is, he did something worthy of a red card |
| 23:36.54 | Kirov | zinor - not after recieving a large sum of money in a bag that smelled heavily of body odor and coffee |
| 23:36.56 | Legorol | ?? you telling me if they have a record of him headbutting someone on a tape, that's not grounds for a red card? |
| 23:37.02 | Legorol | i always knew football is a strange sport |
| 23:37.02 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 23:37.06 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=406803&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard ? |
| 23:37.13 | Kaso | stupid burocricy Legorol |
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| 23:37.24 | AnduinLothar | rules were made before tv's were invented |
| 23:37.26 | Neronix | Legorol: Yeah, which is why I don't really care about it usually |
| 23:37.28 | snurre | video judging is not classified as proof in football yet |
| 23:37.30 | AnduinLothar | ref has to see it |
| 23:37.34 | AnduinLothar | same with baseball |
| 23:37.36 | snurre | emphasis on "yet" |
| 23:37.37 | Legorol | yay |
| 23:37.40 | Cide | holy shit |
| 23:37.43 | Legorol | so you can kick people behind ref's back? |
| 23:37.43 | Kirkburn | "Addons can send hidden chat messages to players in the party, raid or guild, using SendAddonMessage("text", "PARTY"|"RAID"|"GUILD"). |
| 23:37.44 | Kirkburn | When players receve these messages, a new event "CHAT_MSG_ADDON" is sent, with arg1 being the text of the message, and arg2 being the name of the player that sent it. " |
| 23:37.45 | Legorol | nice sport.. |
| 23:37.46 | Cide | read that thread |
| 23:37.51 | Kirov | Shadowed - *jaw drops* |
| 23:37.58 | Neronix | Cide: zOMG!? |
| 23:38.06 | Neronix | link plx!!1!1one |
| 23:38.12 | AnduinLothar | good old slouken |
| 23:38.19 | Legorol | there is one problem.. |
| 23:38.20 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:38.21 | Neronix | I need to tell tek, clad and Ckk |
| 23:38.23 | Legorol | how do you identify sending addon |
| 23:38.31 | AnduinLothar | do it yourself |
| 23:38.33 | AnduinLothar | duh |
| 23:38.34 | Legorol | true |
| 23:38.36 | Kirov | Legorol - I was wondering that myself |
| 23:38.40 | Neronix | Legorol: Guess we'll have to still add our own header |
| 23:38.42 | Legorol | but this is a great step |
| 23:38.50 | Kirov | Anduin - I personally would prefer if it was built in. |
| 23:38.51 | Cide | identify sending addon isn't that big an issue |
| 23:38.54 | Cide | just use a prefix |
| 23:38.58 | snurre | yeh |
| 23:38.59 | Kirov | Cide - it's slow though |
| 23:39.40 | Legorol | i wonder what the limits are on this message |
| 23:39.40 | Cide | not really |
| 23:39.41 | Legorol | size/frequency etc. |
| 23:39.41 | Cide | I use |
| 23:39.41 | Legorol | still, this is great! |
| 23:39.41 | AnduinLothar | whine whine whine |
| 23:39.41 | stryder_30 | I have started attempting to make mods, I am getting the XML side of it and making frames, Where can i get some tutorials or information about functions for using LUA? even just simple things like adding text or information into my frames that I make |
| 23:39.41 | Kirkburn | You would likely need a header anyway |
| 23:39.42 | zinor | ah that is a nice new feature |
| 23:39.42 | AnduinLothar | just means i can nuke 1 hook |
| 23:39.42 | Kirkburn | It's not as if most addons do one thing only |
| 23:39.48 | Cide | local _, _, prefix, message = string.find(message, "^RA ([^%s]+) ?(.*)"); is what I use |
| 23:39.54 | Cide | that's pretty fast |
| 23:39.56 | AnduinLothar | still doesn't work with global chan |
| 23:40.01 | Legorol | Cide, but if every addon did that, it's slow |
| 23:40.11 | Kirkburn | Waitasec, wouldn't this mean sky could ... go? |
| 23:40.36 | Cide | it's pretty damn fast with ^(prefix) |
| 23:40.36 | Kirov | 10000 string.subs on a 6 character header = 4.7 ms, 10000 string.finds on a 6 character header = 5.7 ms, 10000 string comparisons = >0.1 ms |
| 23:40.36 | Cide | that's not string.sub |
| 23:40.37 | AnduinLothar | no, still need an adodn to manage it |
| 23:40.37 | Kirov | er |
| 23:40.37 | Kirov | < |
| 23:40.44 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I meant the sky channels :P |
| 23:40.46 | AnduinLothar | but sky could decrease in size and go down to 1 channel |
| 23:40.46 | Kirov | Cide = your function is closer to 12 ms |
| 23:40.47 | Kirov | or more |
| 23:40.54 | Cide | really |
| 23:40.58 | Kirkburn | Indeed ... this is an amazing change! |
| 23:41.02 | Kirov | Cide - 10000 of them |
| 23:41.06 | Cide | yeah |
| 23:41.12 | Kirkburn | (I feel bad for you AnduinLothar, you only just updated to 2.1!) |
| 23:41.21 | Kirov | Cide - but now EVERY addon is going to be parsing a single "channel" |
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| 23:41.23 | Cide | 10000 string.finds on a 6 character header = 5.7 ms <- using what pattern? |
| 23:41.28 | AnduinLothar | love how he waits for me to recode 6 addons for my new sky changes before he announces it |
| 23:41.29 | Cide | what I don't like |
| 23:41.39 | Legorol | Kirkburn, Sky does plenty of stuff in addition |
| 23:41.45 | Cide | is that there's no way of telling which channel it's sent to |
| 23:41.49 | Kirkburn | I know :) |
| 23:41.50 | Legorol | 1.12 won't be out for ages |
| 23:41.50 | zinor | AnduinLothar, someone told me you worked for Blizzard. Why didnt you know about this sooner? |
| 23:41.58 | Cide | CHAT_MSG_ADDON_PARTY, CHAT_MSG_ADDON_GUILD, CHAT_MSG_ADDON_RAID would be nice |
| 23:41.59 | AnduinLothar | used to |
| 23:42.05 | Kirov | string.find( text, "^header") |
| 23:42.07 | Kirkburn | Wha? |
| 23:42.10 | Kirkburn | Used to? |
| 23:42.14 | AnduinLothar | past tense |
| 23:42.15 | Cide | how is that faster than mine? |
| 23:42.39 | Maldivia | Cide: it is probably split into those |
| 23:42.43 | Legorol | we still don't know anything about the size/frequency limits of SendAddonMessage |
| 23:42.48 | Kirkburn | (On the subject of addons clogging up a channel ... don't use badly coded ones then!) |
| 23:42.51 | Legorol | if it's poor, we are back to the old ways |
| 23:42.56 | AnduinLothar | oh well, guess i'll recode sky again when the test server comes out |
| 23:42.57 | Kirov | Cide - well, I guess if it exits it'll be just as fast, I should test that better |
| 23:43.07 | Cide | yeah, that's my point |
| 23:43.09 | AnduinLothar | shouldn't be hard to make it reverse compat with the current method |
| 23:43.15 | Cide | it should exit immediately upon finding the wrong character |
| 23:43.18 | Kirov | Still, it's woefully slower than a string comparison |
| 23:43.24 | Kirkburn | Why past tense, or is there no point asking? |
| 23:43.34 | Cide | well, yeah |
| 23:43.49 | Cide | some way to pass a prefix into the function and get it as arg3 would be nice |
| 23:43.58 | AnduinLothar | i'm too much of a programmer and not enough of a quality assurance type guy |
| 23:43.59 | stryder_30 | Is there some sort of channel or area around here that I can find tutorials on how to make mods? I got some simpilar questions I need answered =P |
| 23:43.59 | zinor | so go email him and tell him that :) |
| 23:44.05 | zinor | soulken responds pretty quick to emails |
| 23:44.18 | Kirov | anyone able to log in to the forums? |
| 23:44.20 | Kirkburn | Sounds fair enough, AL =) Do what you enjoy! |
| 23:44.36 | Shadowed | stryder_30: http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Beginners_Guide |
| 23:44.36 | AnduinLothar | i may apply again after i graduate |
| 23:44.39 | Gryphen | stryder_30 wowwiki and existing mods are the tutorials i use |
| 23:44.49 | AnduinLothar | but fulltime wasn't playing nice with my fulltime school either |
| 23:44.57 | Kirkburn | Strange that :P |
| 23:45.05 | Maldivia | So, with SendAddonMessage... how can I avoid DamageMeter spam ? |
| 23:45.41 | zinor | AnduinLothar, what did you do at Blizzard? |
| 23:45.41 | Kirov | Maldivia - you don't |
| 23:45.42 | Shadowed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.42 | stryder_30 | Okay, thanks, i have heard many people say wowwiki but i couldnt find some of the info i needed... ill check again, THanks |
| 23:45.42 | zespri_work | Sorry, can't find it in the text above - why do you need to recode sky for 1.12, Anduin? |
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| 23:45.46 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=406803&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard |
| 23:45.49 | Maldivia | Kirov: exactly, that's the problem with "forced channel" |
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| 23:46.27 | Kirov | Maldivia - my point, and one that others (including I'm guessing Slouken concured with) is the issue isn't the messages themselves, it's the parsing of them. |
| 23:46.33 | Shadowed | Not a whole lot different from people using the CTRA channel for DM though |
| 23:46.48 | Wobble | woo |
| 23:46.52 | zespri_work | omg. i've come. |
| 23:47.00 | Maldivia | Kirov: have you tried doing raid with people on 56k or ISDN ? |
| 23:47.19 | Kirov | Maldivia - yes ... we kick them from the raid. |
| 23:47.20 | Kirov | ;) |
| 23:47.34 | Neronix | Why would anyone still be on 56k or ISDN? |
| 23:47.36 | Neronix | Why? |
| 23:47.39 | Kirov | Actually, we have a couple of aussies with 3000+ pings |
| 23:47.58 | zespri_work | Neronix, because to everybody lives in USA |
| 23:48.07 | Maldivia | Kirov: now consider having an exta 1-2kb of data pr second - that's a log for an ISDN line |
| 23:48.08 | zespri_work | s/to/not/ |
| 23:48.35 | Neronix | I don't |
| 23:49.01 | Cide | Kirov: I posted the concerns |
| 23:49.16 | Kirov | Cide - thanks |
| 23:49.29 | Kirkburn | I thought Wobble was someone new =( |
| 23:50.24 | Maldivia | Neronix: well, not everyone have access to ADSL/cable/etc where they live, and the minimum requirements for the game is still a 56k connected |
| 23:51.06 | Kirkburn | Aye ... however, I would guess that within a year it would be silly to keep supporting 56k |
| 23:51.24 | Kirkburn | Yes, it would be unfortunate for those in the wilderness, I know |
| 23:51.34 | Kirkburn | Such is life |
| 23:52.19 | Tem | I know only one person who plays no 56k |
| 23:52.28 | Tem | and he's still the best rogue on our server |
| 23:52.32 | Tem | lag and all |
| 23:52.44 | Legorol | actually, lag can help you |
| 23:52.48 | Legorol | you warp around the screen like mad |
| 23:52.53 | Legorol | it's hard for others to catch you |
| 23:52.54 | Wobin | Kirov: I can get pings like that =( |
| 23:52.59 | AnduinLothar | well, guess we just had to make a 9 page thread about it to show there were a dozen or so developers who wanted it for blizzard to notice |
| 23:53.19 | Legorol | it's something i've contemplated about before... you can "exploit" by deliberately hosing your upload bandwidth |
| 23:53.23 | Legorol | it makes you warp around madly |
| 23:53.33 | AnduinLothar | what else do we want that we can make 9 page threads about... |
| 23:53.35 | Legorol | but if you keep your download bw free, you still get all the movement from the opponent |
| 23:53.42 | Maldivia | AnduinLothar: Lua 5.1 :) |
| 23:53.55 | Tem | 5.1 is slightly more difficult |
| 23:53.59 | Maldivia | I know :) |
| 23:54.04 | Tem | because it would require changes to the C and Lua code |
| 23:54.09 | Maldivia | Tem: but we still want it, correct ? :) |
| 23:54.12 | Tem | HELL YES |
| 23:54.27 | Tem | wtb semi direct access to the stack |
| 23:54.44 | Tem | Legorol, wouldn't that potentially cause you problems? |
| 23:55.28 | Kirkburn | Hosing the upload bandwidth would make you hard to hit, but crap at *doing* anything |
| 23:55.29 | clad|gym | Yay for constructive discussions =) |
| 23:56.07 | Kirkburn | "Woo, I can run around like a madman!" .... "But can you actually hit me?" .... "Uh, no?" |
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| 23:56.31 | Kirkburn | Earlier today I heard one of those classic old people conversations |
| 23:56.54 | esp|Syn | Hey guys, wonder if anyone can help me with some interface coding? |
| 23:57.20 | Kirkburn | The husband kept repeating something to his wife, she didn't hear him and kepy saying pardon ... when he eventually said ti loud enough for her to hear, she told him not to shout :P |
| 23:57.33 | Kirkburn | s/kepy/kept/ |
| 23:57.56 | Maldivia | classic |
| 23:57.57 | SilverShadow | Hey.. did you guys see Slouken's post about the new hidden chat messages? |
| 23:58.02 | Maldivia | yes |
| 23:58.08 | Kirkburn | no, we haven't been talking about it for 20 mins =) |
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| 23:58.17 | Legorol | hosing your upload bw wouldn't stop you from hitting people |
| 23:58.30 | Legorol | movement is one of the lowest priority packets |
| 23:58.40 | SilverShadow | heh.. sorry.. wasn't paying attention to IRC >_< |
| 23:58.45 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 23:58.47 | esp|Syn | Dont suppose anyone will check my code and tell me the error please? |
| 23:59.22 | Legorol | esp|Syn: post your code on pastebin, post the link here |
| 23:59.25 | esp|Syn | http://pastebin.ca/85486 |
| 23:59.26 | Legorol | and describe your problem |
| 23:59.32 | Legorol | then people might htink about it :) |
