| 00:00.12 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=George@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 00:00.18 | Kirkburn | Ciao! |
| 00:00.26 | Industrial | Need help/tips :P http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/templates/20-29/priest.html |
| 00:00.37 | Cairenn | evening Kirkburn |
| 00:00.41 | Kirkburn | Has anyone ever seen that french magazine editor since a few months ago? |
| 00:00.47 | Kirkburn | (cafeine) |
| 00:01.48 | Kirkburn | ~seen cafeine__ |
| 00:02.05 | purl | cafeine__ <n=Cafeine@per92-3-82-224-46-139.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 82d 32m 59s ago, saying: 'I loved tweaks, so sad this one is not supported now :/ lot of fonctions in one'. |
| 00:02.06 | Kirkburn | Did I do that wrong? |
| 00:02.22 | Kirkburn | apparently not :P |
| 00:04.00 | Kirkburn | I mention it because I just got a Worldofwar PM from the guy who does the cover DVDs for Future France asking for permission (obviously I have to deny him though) |
| 00:05.04 | Cairenn | permission for what? |
| 00:05.32 | Kirkburn | Copy-paste: "I, (name) ..........., representing (company) .........., as |
| 00:05.32 | Kirkburn | ..... (title) hereby authorize Future France to include clearfont in |
| 00:05.32 | Kirkburn | the cover CD/DVD distributed with Joystick, PC Jeux, as well as future update and future |
| 00:05.32 | Kirkburn | magazines and declare to be the author of the above software." |
| 00:05.47 | Cairenn | ah |
| 00:05.48 | Kirkburn | (damn line breaks, sorry) |
| 00:06.09 | Kirkburn | cafeine is/was the editor of Joystick |
| 00:07.10 | Kirkburn | I would guess some others here should have got emails |
| 00:08.08 | Kirkburn | PMs, I mean |
| 00:12.29 | zespri|home | In MPQ files there are losts of texture files with blp extention that names look like a hash (i.e. textures\Minimap\37011667df982433634a028c155e1b69.blp) and they are all 1 byte long. anyone know what are they for? |
| 00:14.36 | gnorlish | kirkburn, don't run anywhere |
| 00:14.47 | gnorlish | i have a clearfont issue |
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| 00:15.55 | gnorlish | ok here's the deal |
| 00:16.31 | gnorlish | i just got a sparkly new widescreen lcd and at some point last night WoW popped from it to my normal lcd |
| 00:16.42 | gnorlish | and everything got crunched like nuts |
| 00:16.50 | gnorlish | i popped it back over and all seemed ok |
| 00:17.12 | gnorlish | but now when i have CF enabled, all my profession windows show ... as the names of the recipes and whatnot |
| 00:17.23 | Kirkburn | Lovely bug that |
| 00:17.40 | gnorlish | what shall i delete // edit |
| 00:17.44 | Kirkburn | http://www.clearfont.co.uk/readme.html#KnownIssues =) |
| 00:17.54 | gnorlish | oh man, i thought i was special |
| 00:17.56 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 00:18.12 | Kirkburn | Is your resolution 1680 x 1050? |
| 00:18.16 | gnorlish | quite |
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| 00:19.39 | gnorlish | oh man |
| 00:19.44 | gnorlish | did you just bring in the other half of your brain |
| 00:19.46 | Kirkburn1 | Apologies, this router resets itself frequently |
| 00:20.16 | Kirkburn1 | I'm a clone, can't you tellll bZZZZZt |
| 00:20.30 | gnorlish | STAAAAAAAATION |
| 00:20.34 | gnorlish | name that movie! |
| 00:21.02 | Kirkburn1 | um |
| 00:21.16 | gnorlish | if you're not from the US, you don't have a prayer |
| 00:21.25 | gnorlish | it has keanu reeves in it |
| 00:21.43 | Kirkburn1 | The Matrix |
| 00:21.46 | Kirkburn1 | ;) |
| 00:21.55 | gnorlish | bill and ted's bogus journey |
| 00:21.55 | JoshBorke | constantine |
| 00:22.08 | gnorlish | amazing movie |
| 00:22.09 | Kirkburn1 | I think I've seen parts of that |
| 00:22.34 | Kirkburn1 | gnorlish, I got cut off just after I asked what res you had ... you have 1680 x 1050? |
| 00:22.38 | gnorlish | yep |
| 00:22.52 | Kirkburn1 | Y'know, I should file a bug ... |
| 00:23.46 | Kirkburn1 | Odd that it just affects that res |
| 00:24.03 | gnorlish | changing global scale to 0.8 worked |
| 00:24.11 | Kirkburn | Cool |
| 00:25.02 | Kirkburn | It's not even based on the aspect ratio of the monitor, as mine is the same (1440 x 900, 1680 x 1050 both 1.6:1) |
| 00:25.27 | gnorlish | i try not to think about what causes odd bugs like that |
| 00:25.34 | gnorlish | it just frustrates me |
| 00:32.09 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 00:49.25 | Kirkburn | I wish making websites was as easy as designing them: http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chig0ah.jpg |
| 00:52.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=MentalPo@64.237.160.36) |
| 00:52.56 | Kirkburn | I fear when I actually get around to making it, it'll look nothing like that :P |
| 00:53.04 | Cairenn | evening MentalPower. How went the test? |
| 00:53.22 | MentalPower | awesome! |
| 00:53.31 | MentalPower | I aced it (no pun intended) |
| 00:53.36 | Kirkburn | Ooh, what tesT? |
| 00:53.40 | Cairenn | good to hear :) |
| 00:53.41 | MentalPower | Calculus |
| 00:53.48 | Kirkburn | congrats |
| 00:54.09 | MentalPower | thanks |
| 00:55.32 | Kaelten | ok, I've been trying to be able to show a right click menu on a frame and I can't seem to get it taking clicks... |
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| 00:56.06 | Kaelten | any ideas? |
| 01:01.02 | Cairenn | ice cream |
| 01:05.34 | Industrial | sfk/rfk/gno boost |
| 01:05.37 | Industrial | =) |
| 01:19.02 | Kirov | Kaelten - registerforclicks? |
| 01:19.47 | Kirov | And are you sure it's not taking the click vs. the menu just now showing? Because there are a lot of bugs with drop downs. |
| 01:20.11 | Kirov | There's one I've tried debugging a couple of times that'll cause the entire UI, except the dropdown, to be hidden. |
| 01:20.39 | Kaelten | nope the OnClick handler isn't calling at all |
| 01:21.07 | Kaelten | RegisterForClicks("RightButtonUp")? |
| 01:21.13 | Kaelten | thats right isn't it? |
| 01:22.40 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 01:23.28 | Kirov | this:RegisterForClicks("LeftButtonUp","RightButtonUp"); |
| 01:23.51 | Kaelten | I changed the frame to a button to allow for that as well |
| 01:24.19 | Kirov | If you're using a frame, you'd need to use OnMouseUp |
| 01:24.52 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 01:25.05 | Thrae | What is the "OnChar" handler for? |
| 01:25.08 | Kirov | Frames don't appear to have any concept of "click", only buttons |
| 01:25.23 | Kirov | Thrae - EditBoxs |
| 01:25.55 | Thrae | Why does Frame have an "OnChar" handler according to wowwiki? |
| 01:26.12 | Kirov | Because it does |
| 01:26.16 | Kirov | It's just never called |
| 01:26.44 | Kirov | It's from the way Blizzard did their Schema |
| 01:27.01 | Kirov | They list all of the handlers as being part of the parent Frame object |
| 01:28.35 | Kirov | OnChar happens when ever a character is entered in to the edit box, but doesn't happen when something is deleted, like OnCharChanged |
| 01:28.35 | Kirov | bbiab |
| 01:30.08 | Kaelten | OnMouseUp doesn't seem to be called either :s |
| 01:30.23 | JoshBorke | only buttons have mouse clicks i thought |
| 01:30.30 | Thrae | OnKeyUp ? |
| 01:31.11 | Kaelten | I tried it on button too |
| 01:32.16 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 01:32.22 | JoshBorke | and it's not triggering OnClick? |
| 01:32.50 | Kaelten | nope |
| 01:33.10 | Kaelten | think I'm just going to add a button to do it and say screw it :s |
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| 01:43.42 | Thrae | Does anyone remember if slouken was asked about adding a UNIT_TARGET_CHANGED event for all unit IDs other then player? |
| 01:44.38 | MentalPower | I've never seen such a request |
| 01:45.43 | JoshBorke | ..., shadow wing lair? |
| 01:45.58 | JoshBorke | is that what BWL was called originally? |
| 01:46.06 | Shadowed | don't think so |
| 01:46.17 | Cide | hmm |
| 01:46.31 | Cide | I'm getting an error, "invalid key for 'next'", with no line or file information |
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| 01:47.18 | Cide | any idea(s) of where that could come from? |
| 01:48.36 | MentalPower | check for calls made to next() |
| 01:48.58 | MentalPower | if you don't use next then check for Lua functions that call next |
| 01:49.00 | Cide | it just started happening after a reload, but my mod doesn't call next |
| 01:49.20 | MentalPower | if all else fails do a debugstack() and check there |
| 01:54.34 | Cide | that was easier said than done, at least 5 OnUpdate frames call it :) |
| 01:54.39 | Cide | err, OnUpdate handlers |
| 01:57.16 | MentalPower | call next()? |
| 01:57.20 | MentalPower | or cause the bug? |
| 01:58.16 | Cide | ah |
| 01:58.21 | Cide | it's from a pairs call |
| 01:58.23 | Cide | for some reason |
| 01:58.54 | MentalPower | pairs is essentially a next wrapper |
| 01:59.17 | Cide | yeah |
| 01:59.24 | Cide | not sure why it would error like that, though |
| 01:59.28 | MentalPower | me neither |
| 02:01.27 | Cide | http://pastecode.com/1158 |
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| 02:01.58 | Kirov | Kaelten - any luck? |
| 02:04.28 | Kaelten | I just had to make a button for it |
| 02:04.38 | Kaelten | I don't know why that frame will not take a click |
| 02:07.51 | Cide | any ideas? |
| 02:13.33 | Cide | hmm, nevermind |
| 02:13.59 | Cide | looks like pairs doesn't like setting the current key to nil |
| 02:14.04 | Cide | which makes sense, I guess |
| 02:15.24 | Kaelten | also seems ipairs doesn't like negative numbers |
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| 02:16.43 | Cide | well, ipairs is for non-hash tables |
| 02:17.04 | Cide | and I believe those are defined as consecutive integer indices from 1 to |n| |
| 02:17.32 | Kaelten | hrm, cool |
| 02:18.18 | Cide | well, that's wrong |
| 02:18.30 | Cairenn | oh, hey, Kaelten ... there's been a vote ... Ace2 shouldn't be called Ace any more ... you need to rename it Deuce |
| 02:18.39 | Cide | ipairs only does consecutive integer indices from 1 to |n|, but it works on hash tables too |
| 02:18.41 | Kaelten | errr. |
| 02:18.41 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 02:19.34 | Kaelten | you know I don't think so Cairenn :) |
| 02:19.45 | Kaelten | Cide: ya I experienced that when I tried to put a -1 in the range |
| 02:20.12 | Kirov | Ace2 is very intel ... Core Duo 2 |
| 02:21.10 | Kaelten | lol |
| 02:21.39 | Kaelten | that be like having Duece2 |
| 02:24.31 | Kirov | hmm |
| 02:24.56 | Kirov | note to self - when trying to figure out how CreateFrame works, don't look at iriel's code |
| 02:25.26 | Codayus | What *IS* the range for the combat log? Anyone know offhand? |
| 02:25.52 | Kirov | ~20 yards |
| 02:26.02 | Codayus | Thanks |
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| 03:05.52 | MentalPower | Kirov: why? |
| 03:08.37 | Cide | not sure if anyone cares, but since the original request came from in here, I figured I'd let you know... ctra2 will switch the active channel based on raid leader's name |
| 03:09.42 | JoshBorke | so now it will be autogenerated? |
| 03:09.50 | Cide | yes |
| 03:13.51 | MentalPower | awesome |
| 03:14.10 | MentalPower | oh Cide how's you in-game GUI maker comming along? |
| 03:14.20 | Cide | on hold :) |
| 03:14.30 | Cide | I can't really work on two 'big' projects at once |
| 03:14.45 | MentalPower | I know the feeling |
| 03:15.16 | MentalPower | just wanted to know :) |
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| 03:27.58 | Industrial | Cide: wutcha makin |
| 03:38.26 | Kirov | Cide - He's making the biggest action button in the world |
| 03:40.21 | Cide | yup! |
| 03:43.17 | JoshBorke | wb Cairenn |
| 03:43.38 | Cairenn | thanks |
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| 03:55.13 | Atreo | anyone available to answer a question? |
| 03:56.26 | JoshBorke | we can try |
| 03:57.00 | Atreo | i'm trying to stop the default player/target/party frame from ever popping up |
| 03:57.14 | Atreo | using the basic commands I can shut them off but they come back whenever a change happens |
| 03:57.21 | Atreo | target change/group member change |
| 04:00.17 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.00 | Atreo | i assume that will carry over for all the frames, but what is the name of the default party frame? |
| 04:07.14 | Cide | easier way of doing it is |
| 04:07.22 | Cide | TargetFrame:UnregisterAllEvents() TargetFrame:Hide() |
| 04:07.33 | Cide | which won't be as fool-proof as Industrial's, but it should work most of the time |
| 04:08.53 | Cide | that is, unless another addon is showing it |
| 04:26.09 | Atreo | is there a more comprehensive list of api's available than wowwiki? |
| 04:28.53 | Tem | ~ready check |
| 04:28.54 | purl | <CTRaid> tem has performed a ready check. |
| 04:29.35 | Shadowed | ~no |
| 04:29.36 | purl | YES |
| 04:29.56 | Tem | VOTEEYE |
| 04:29.58 | Shadowed | ::( |
| 04:30.04 | Shadowed | ~yes |
| 04:30.05 | purl | You don't say! |
| 04:30.17 | Tem | Cide, I gotta know, why "VOTEEYE" instead of "VOTEAYE"? |
| 04:30.43 | Cide | hm? |
| 04:30.51 | Tem | the responses to ravote |
| 04:30.57 | Tem | are VOTENO |
| 04:31.00 | Tem | and VOTEEYE |
| 04:31.08 | Cide | yeah |
| 04:31.41 | Tem | why VOTEEYE? |
| 04:31.45 | Tem | and not VOTEAYE |
| 04:31.55 | Atreo | is there a more comprehensive list of api's available than wowwiki? |
| 04:32.09 | Cide | pretty sure it's "VOTEYES" |
| 04:32.21 | Tem | oh ll |
| 04:32.23 | Tem | lol |
| 04:32.25 | Tem | you're right |
| 04:32.29 | Cide | :) |
| 04:32.32 | Tem | I just couldn't see the S until today |
| 04:32.42 | Thrae | More comprehensive list of APIs? Meaning non-Blizzard APIs? |
| 04:32.54 | Cide | haha, well, there you go :) |
| 04:33.04 | Thrae | The API list is overseen by Iriel. He knows everything. |
| 04:33.15 | Tem | Atreo, no. The wiki list is complete |
| 04:33.28 | Tem | it may not have every function explained, but they are all there |
| 04:35.10 | Tem | ~rabc spamspamspam |
| 04:35.12 | purl | <CTMod> This is an automatic message sent by CT_RaidAssist. Channel changed to: spamspamspam |
| 04:35.18 | Tem | oh man |
| 04:35.47 | Shadowed | rabc? |
| 04:35.52 | Shadowed | ah, broadcast |
| 04:36.42 | Tem | ya man. I'm known in my guild for ninja-broadcast skills |
| 04:36.52 | Shadowed | ~rakick Tem |
| 04:36.54 | Shadowed | blast |
| 04:37.02 | Tem | because the rest of them open the options pane to hit broadcast |
| 04:40.14 | Tem|Food | anyone in the UK here? |
| 04:40.32 | Tem|Food | or rather, anyone know if the UK does DST? |
| 04:40.43 | Tem|Food | or is that just a US phenominon? |
| 04:41.26 | Cide | sweden has DST |
| 04:41.34 | Cide | Tem|Food: well, you miss out on rabc in the next version |
| 04:45.44 | Kirov | Auto spam? |
| 04:45.48 | Kirov | for the channel |
| 04:46.01 | Kirov | Or automatically selected |
| 04:46.20 | Cide | CTRaidLeaderName as it looks right now |
| 04:46.34 | Kirov | Cool |
| 04:53.04 | MentalPower | anyone here want to proofread my changelog? |
| 04:53.35 | MentalPower | http://auctioneeraddon.com/trac/browser/trunk/docs/Auctioneer%20AddOns%203.6%20Change%20log.doc?rev=934&format=raw |
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| 04:58.59 | Kirov | hmm |
| 04:59.16 | Kirov | Someone should make a mod that uses /rw for data syncing |
| 04:59.44 | Kirov | That'd make people want to get the mod REALLY fast |
| 05:06.35 | Cide | haha, totally |
| 05:06.43 | Cide | or LFG |
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| 05:36.50 | MentalPower | Auctioneer 3.6 Released! |
| 05:37.06 | MentalPower | http://auctioneeraddon.com/ |
| 05:37.24 | Cairenn | grats |
| 05:37.42 | MentalPower | it took us a while |
| 05:37.53 | MentalPower | thanks Cair :) |
| 05:42.40 | Kirov | What's this auctioneer mod do? |
| 05:42.51 | Kirov | Never heard of it before |
| 05:42.56 | Kirov | ;) |
| 05:43.07 | MentalPower | ~lart Kirov |
| 05:43.09 | MentalPower | :) |
| 06:08.26 | MentalPower | gnight folks |
| 06:08.31 | Industrial | nn |
| 06:14.15 | MentalPower | Cairenn: Auctioneer 3.6 in the WoWI aproval queue |
| 06:14.57 | Cairenn | approved |
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| 07:28.09 | Cairenn | night guys |
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| 07:50.24 | Mikk1 | Puh. Finally done with Cairenn's FAQ |
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| 08:11.48 | MoonWolf | morning |
| 08:38.20 | wereHamster | is there a way to limit the number of lines ina multiline editbox? |
| 08:40.31 | Kirov | sure |
| 08:40.36 | Kirov | maxLines= |
| 08:40.39 | Kirov | I think |
| 08:41.43 | Kirov | hmm... it's part of ScrollingMessageFrame |
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| 09:03.26 | Mikk1 | Nope. All I can see is "letters" |
| 09:04.26 | KarlKFI | meh? |
| 09:05.35 | KarlKFI | aye, editboxes have no concept of lines, it's either soft wrap or no wrap |
| 09:05.53 | KarlKFI | you can define a max height tho |
| 09:06.27 | Mikk1 | Hmm.. Would an addon that hooks all functions in an AddOn (by pattern) to provide detailed call stacks be useful for debugging? |
| 09:06.44 | KarlKFI | sounds painful |
| 09:06.53 | Mikk1 | Slow? Yeah. |
| 09:07.01 | Mikk1 | Faster than not finding the damn bug though =) |
| 09:07.37 | Mikk1 | Oh hum.. Two modes of operation I suppose |
| 09:07.43 | Mikk1 | 1: Dump in a history table |
| 09:07.47 | Mikk1 | 2: More output on errors |
| 09:07.57 | Mikk1 | (2 = by replacing the error handler) |
| 09:09.39 | KarlKFI | yay |
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| 09:10.18 | AnduinLothar | I win |
| 09:15.15 | AnduinLothar | silyl name game |
| 09:16.18 | wereHamster | hooking all functions by pattern won't make the game slow.. |
| 09:16.30 | wereHamster | at least not much |
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| 09:17.33 | wereHamster | Even hooking a function that is called many thousand times a frame is possible without a big slowdown |
| 09:18.55 | Mikk1 | Well, I'm going to have to create tables to hold arguments and return values so it'll suck a little =P |
| 09:19.26 | wereHamster | The bigges problem are recursive calls or if two hooked functions call each other |
| 09:19.45 | Mikk1 | Why is that a problem? |
| 09:20.09 | wereHamster | will you collect time (debugprofilestart/stop) ? |
| 09:20.17 | Mikk1 | Possibly |
| 09:20.27 | Mikk1 | Haven't decided fully to write it yet |
| 09:20.32 | Mikk1 | Just checking on general notions |
| 09:21.03 | wereHamster | debugprofilestop returns the time since the last start |
| 09:22.26 | Mikk1 | My only problem right now is figuring out what the function name is |
| 09:22.31 | wereHamster | you can take a look at http://shag.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4843 |
| 09:22.55 | Mikk1 | I _could_ LoadString() stuff for each hooked function but that sucks a little. I'd rather not if I didn't have to. |
| 09:23.37 | Mikk1 | Suppose I could setfenv all the hooked functions so they all have a unique "FuncName" parameter and then __index _G |
| 09:23.41 | Mikk1 | Ugly as hell >.< |
| 09:24.04 | Mikk1 | LoadString doesn't sound so bad after all =P |
| 09:27.30 | wereHamster | To the multiline EditBox.. I'm writing my own input edit box: http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/7136/inputbox3tx.png .. but I guess one line is enough for most situations ;) |
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| 09:38.05 | AnduinLothar | heh, finding functionality in Sky i didn't even know existed, nifty |
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| 09:39.26 | Wobin | Can Sky be put on an SVN somewhere so more people could work on it? |
| 09:39.51 | AnduinLothar | it's already on the Cosmos SVN |
| 09:40.05 | Wobin | Easy to gain access? |
| 09:40.07 | AnduinLothar | but no one really works on it j=but be unless there's some glaring bug |
| 09:40.16 | AnduinLothar | nope, exclusive group |
| 09:40.32 | AnduinLothar | anyone who maintains a cosmos addon persay |
| 09:40.32 | Wobin | I'm just of the mind that if more people have access to the code to change it, it'll work out better |
| 09:40.47 | Industrial | --^ |
| 09:40.58 | Wobin | And -that's- possibly where the 'elite' thing comes into play =( |
| 09:41.22 | Industrial | well the code isnt compiled.. |
| 09:41.24 | Wobin | How can we be happy with a comm addon that everyone is going to use, if we can't modify it if we need? |
| 09:41.38 | AnduinLothar | if so then CT is worse... super exclusive with 1 guy working on it |
| 09:42.00 | AnduinLothar | no one calls him elitist |
| 09:42.03 | Wobin | *shrug* not an issue. CT isn't even a point |
| 09:42.31 | Wobin | No, cause no one is saying that for a central communications embeddable library that they should use CT |
| 09:42.57 | AnduinLothar | someone woke up on the wrong side of the internet |
| 09:43.03 | Wobin | Not at all. |
| 09:43.27 | Kirov | Cosmos and Ace both have their own elites proponents |
| 09:43.52 | Kirov | Rarely are the the authors of the librarys themselves |
| 09:44.22 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, why restrict access to your XVN? |
| 09:44.24 | ckknight | SVN* |
| 09:44.46 | Industrial | cosmos is a compilation, ace is a framework. Being the author of you library means that it is you :P |
| 09:44.56 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.12 | ckknight | Kirov, hrm, pretty right |
| 09:45.21 | ckknight | I try not to be elitist about my stuff |
| 09:45.31 | Industrial | Im the bes |
| 09:45.32 | Industrial | t |
| 09:45.45 | AnduinLothar | if you want svn access all you have to do is volenteer to maintain a Cosmos Addon or convince the Team Lead that your addon should be included |
| 09:46.01 | ckknight | unlike some authors, I've seen people declare their own stuff as gold, where it sucks. In turn, my stuff may be better than the alternatives, but I'm still able to point out its imperfections |
| 09:46.15 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, I don't mean write-access |
| 09:46.16 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: the problem is that Cosmos isnt a framework |
| 09:46.22 | Wobin | But if Sky is going to be a framework style embeddable, why do I need to write a Cosmos addon? |
| 09:46.25 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: its a compilation |
| 09:46.36 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: and by saying so you are forcing people to use the compilation of addons |
| 09:46.39 | AnduinLothar | it used to be a framework |
| 09:46.48 | ckknight | btw, Anduin, your library stub is ah, "primitive" |
| 09:46.57 | ckknight | not to say it doesn't work |
| 09:47.00 | AnduinLothar | primitive and effective, yes |
| 09:47.01 | ckknight | it may be perfect for you |
| 09:47.21 | ckknight | but it doesn't really allow for change too easy |
| 09:47.24 | AnduinLothar | not only that but it's easy to remember |
| 09:47.41 | AnduinLothar | aye. the focus is msotly on reverse compatible change |
| 09:48.14 | ckknight | I wrote AceLibrary to handle extremely complex systems, which it does well and effectively |
| 09:48.33 | ckknight | your stuff probably doesn't need that level of detail |
| 09:48.38 | ckknight | it's all good |
| 09:48.40 | AnduinLothar | if there is enough change so that there is no way to preserve reverse compatibility it is my oppinnion that you should update, rather than maintain a copy of an outdated addon with a duplicate lib copy |
| 09:49.27 | ckknight | does your stub handle activation? |
| 09:49.33 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: So why not grant access to the framework of addons, and not the compilation. everyone happy. |
| 09:49.35 | ckknight | I just skimmed it |
| 09:50.04 | AnduinLothar | industrial, you mean the DevTools distro or svn access? |
| 09:50.11 | Industrial | svn access |
| 09:50.28 | ckknight | read access |
| 09:50.33 | ckknight | right, indie? |
| 09:50.36 | AnduinLothar | partial svn access is not possible at this time and anonymous access has been decided against |
| 09:50.37 | Industrial | yea |
| 09:50.38 | Industrial | :P |
| 09:50.44 | ckknight | why, AL? |
| 09:50.48 | AnduinLothar | read access is in debate |
| 09:50.59 | Wobin | Shouldn't really be =P |
| 09:51.00 | ckknight | wowace seems to be fine with read access |
| 09:51.09 | zenzelezz | closing in on 30 attempts to turn on my monitor now... my sixth sense is telling me this might be the last time I will get it to work at all |
| 09:51.13 | ckknight | (just speaking from experience) |
| 09:51.14 | Industrial | and write ;) |
| 09:51.23 | ckknight | well, yes, but we ask nicely first |
| 09:51.26 | Mikk1 | zenzelezz: orly? =) |
| 09:51.34 | Wobin | Heh, you don't even need to write Ace addons to get access to the SVN =P |
| 09:52.04 | zenzelezz | Mikk1: aye - it even struggled (about 10 automatic attempts) with displaying the manufacturer's logo like it does when you turn it on |
| 09:52.09 | Codayus | Just ask. Oh, and give an email address... |
| 09:52.24 | ckknight | Wobin, it's true |
| 09:52.26 | ckknight | hehe |
| 09:52.26 | Kirov | Cosmos and Ace are very different beasts |
| 09:52.27 | AnduinLothar | then i'm glad that works for you. It's not really something that is open for discussion atm until such time as i have someone devoted to full time background work. As it is our forum update is 6 months overdue |
| 09:52.45 | hyperChipmunk | why would you care about access to SVN? if someone blows it up, just rollback |
| 09:53.04 | AnduinLothar | that reqires constant monitoring |
| 09:53.05 | Wobin | AL. you can't expect us all to embrace Sky if you don't allow us to even try to make it better |
| 09:53.11 | ckknight | I'm pro-SVN and I'm glad of the lack of restrictions that wowace has |
| 09:53.15 | ckknight | because it encourages community |
| 09:53.18 | hyperChipmunk | which you'd have if you didn't restrict access |
| 09:53.20 | ckknight | and fellowship |
| 09:53.26 | Codayus | More to the point...why would you *not* have read access at least? Kinda confused why it'd be something that'd need debate... <shrug> |
| 09:53.35 | AnduinLothar | i gave you a method to improve it: give me suggestions. |
| 09:53.48 | Wobin | That's not very community =P |
| 09:54.17 | AnduinLothar | never said it was a community project |
| 09:54.26 | Wobin | But that's what we're AFTER! |
| 09:54.30 | ckknight | yea |
| 09:54.32 | AnduinLothar | since when? |
| 09:54.36 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - is the issue of read access an IP protection idea? |
| 09:54.40 | Wobin | We want a communications library that the COMMUNITY can use |
| 09:54.40 | Mikk1 | about thirty lines up =P |
| 09:55.00 | AnduinLothar | the community can use it. but atm the community can not maintain it |
| 09:55.05 | Kirov | Honestly, a single library isn't needed |
| 09:55.07 | Wobin | Not one that we have to go through one person to get fixes/chnges |
| 09:55.19 | Wobin | Rarargh =( |
| 09:55.26 | mjc | a protocol is needed |
| 09:55.26 | wereHamster | I could easily change CommChannel to be compatile with Sky |
| 09:55.27 | Kirov | One done in sky, or ace, or made for each mod by the author is fine |
| 09:55.33 | Kirov | yeah, a protocol |
| 09:55.59 | Wobin | mjc: Yes. We need a format that everyone can agree to |
| 09:56.41 | AnduinLothar | And I've supplied a format that contains the embodiment of each and every suggestion i've ever heard |
| 09:57.05 | Kirov | I mean, the real issue at the base of this is just channel usage. |
| 09:57.25 | Kirov | People don't like having 5 different mods, each one using a different channel. |
| 09:57.34 | Industrial | then just make every mod use the same channel |
| 09:57.46 | ckknight | I agree |
| 09:58.02 | ckknight | a standard, but loose-enough protocol is needed |
| 09:58.15 | Industrial | you could even write patches for other mods to use the standard |
| 09:58.51 | mjc | does anyone have a good write up of the limitations of comm channels? |
| 09:58.52 | wereHamster | protocol? IMHO it doesn't matter in which format the addon sends the data to the channel, but to *which* channel |
| 09:59.17 | ckknight | so let's declare a standard. |
| 09:59.20 | AnduinLothar | if the 10 channel limit is all you are worried about then that will suit you fine |
| 09:59.21 | Industrial | wereHamster: How are addons/things going to filter out their own messages then? |
| 09:59.35 | wereHamster | Each addon knows it's own format.. |
| 09:59.41 | Industrial | what if they collide |
| 09:59.47 | ckknight | indie's right. |
| 09:59.52 | AnduinLothar | But I've already written a standard, a very robust one. |
| 09:59.53 | Industrial | you never know |
| 09:59.58 | hyperChipmunk | be lenient in what you accept, be strict in what you produce...but at least know where you're coming from and going to! |
| 10:00.24 | wereHamster | I'm sending 'ADDON:CMD(ARG1,ARG2)' and Sky sends 'ADDON CMD ARG1 ARG2' .. |
| 10:00.53 | Wobin | this is why we should develop a protocol |
| 10:01.05 | Kirov | Have you come across addons that collide yet? |
| 10:01.05 | AnduinLothar | it's already done. and documented |
| 10:01.16 | Wobin | standardise the channel generation, standaradise the format |
| 10:01.16 | mjc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.21 | mjc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.24 | mjc | kthxbai. |
| 10:01.31 | Kirov | Most of them assume, at least at some level, that they're going to be in the same channel as other information |
| 10:01.36 | Wobin | AnduinLothar: We're trying a community approach here. |
| 10:01.42 | Industrial | Kirov: preventing is better design, we don't live on deadlines so good programming > delivering. |
| 10:02.15 | AnduinLothar | no, you're trying deliberately to make obsolete work that I have done for the past 2 years |
| 10:02.23 | hyperChipmunk | writing a protocol and documenting it is not so useful if nobody wants to use it |
| 10:02.24 | Wobin | AnduinLothar: We're trying a community approach here. |
| 10:02.41 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, there is a slight possibility that your approach is not the best out there. |
| 10:02.42 | Wobin | AnduinLothar: You've already made it clear you don't want anyone messing in your code |
| 10:02.44 | hyperChipmunk | so you either work with everyone, or it becomes obsolete naturally |
| 10:03.03 | Industrial | Howmanny addons use Sea? |
| 10:03.09 | Industrial | (im just curious) |
| 10:03.14 | hyperChipmunk | because communications requires support from both sides |
| 10:03.16 | AnduinLothar | i didn't say i didn't want people messign with my code. I don't want people making public revisions to code that is published under my name |
| 10:03.30 | AnduinLothar | I'm happy to take code revisions |
| 10:03.39 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: we have branches for that, and you can alter the names in the readme |
| 10:04.16 | Kirov | Industrial - a lot |
| 10:04.47 | hyperChipmunk | so publically revise it back |
| 10:04.57 | Kirov | Ace might have more |
| 10:04.58 | ckknight | note: if people want to bugfix my code, I'm happy with that. you'll be attributed in the changelog ;-) |
| 10:05.07 | Industrial | hehe |
| 10:05.14 | hyperChipmunk | yea, free bugfixes ftw |
| 10:05.16 | Kirov | Just becuase there are a lot of people who take existing mods (include those for sea) and port them. |
| 10:05.31 | Industrial | Kirov: ok |
| 10:05.58 | ckknight | I think Ace2 has a lower barrier of entry for users/developers as well, because of its embedded nature. And its higher standard of coding compared to Ace1.x |
| 10:06.22 | hyperChipmunk | I can attest to that; I suck at coding, and I still help out |
| 10:06.55 | hyperChipmunk | if I make a mess, either it has potential and it gets smoothed out, or it doesn't and it gets rolled back out |
| 10:07.05 | ckknight | yea, hooray for diff |
| 10:07.17 | ckknight | I can see exactly what chip does, and review easily |
| 10:08.10 | hyperChipmunk | i liken community coding to sandpaper |
| 10:08.46 | ckknight | why do I think of sex from that statement? |
| 10:08.46 | hyperChipmunk | higher participation, higher grit |
| 10:08.57 | ckknight | grit? |
| 10:09.05 | Wobin | The finer the grind |
| 10:09.16 | hyperChipmunk | it's a measure of how coarse sandpaper is |
| 10:09.23 | Wobin | wet'n'dry! |
| 10:09.42 | hyperChipmunk | low-grit is good for roughing in the shape |
| 10:09.45 | ckknight | dude, just get an industrial-strength sander |
| 10:09.50 | ckknight | I was using one yesterday |
| 10:09.51 | Wobin | ie, the more grains per square centemeter/inch the smoother the grind |
| 10:09.53 | ckknight | damn, it's got power |
| 10:10.23 | hyperChipmunk | but for getting a smooth surface, you want to progressively move to higher grit |
| 10:10.44 | Industrial | < AnduinLothar> no, you're trying deliberately to make obsolete work that I have done for the past 2 years |
| 10:10.47 | Industrial | let me get back on that |
| 10:10.58 | hyperChipmunk | anyway, enough philosophy for the night |
| 10:11.06 | hyperChipmunk | it's 06:00 and I havent' slept yet |
| 10:11.10 | Industrial | The thing is that you made something to use yuorself, but also for others to use |
| 10:11.19 | Industrial | the problem is that you are only lookat it it from your own point of view |
| 10:11.28 | Industrial | asomeone else might not think its the best thing there is |
| 10:11.41 | AnduinLothar | then tell me what would make it better? |
| 10:11.52 | ckknight | community development? |
| 10:11.56 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 10:11.57 | Kirov | Depends on who's using it. |
| 10:12.10 | Industrial | well those people are also developers |
| 10:12.25 | Kirov | Ace got to where it is by, honestly, being fairly snooty. |
| 10:12.35 | Industrial | snooty? |
| 10:12.48 | ckknight | yes, we have a few bad seeds to thank for that |
| 10:12.56 | ckknight | which really aren't part of the community anymore |
| 10:13.15 | AnduinLothar | community development is not a goal. it's a process. Give me a goal that community development would accomplish that having a few maintainers does not accomplish |
| 10:13.17 | Wobin | *coughrownecough* |
| 10:13.19 | Kirov | Ace development had a set of ideals, ideals that were pushed towards with a near religous zeal. |
| 10:13.43 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: continuous innovation |
| 10:13.44 | Wobin | Faster! Smaller! Better! |
| 10:13.48 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: yes, as a goal |
| 10:13.59 | Wobin | *whipcrack* |
| 10:14.16 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 10:14.23 | Industrial | its never finshed, and by working at it with a community instead of maintainers you get a better result |
| 10:14.27 | AnduinLothar | continuous innovation is nto a goal. it's a process |
| 10:14.48 | Wobin | Why do you need a goal? |
| 10:14.48 | ckknight | only in a machiavellian sense, which the world does not abide by |
| 10:14.49 | Industrial | thats the word, maintaining means keeping it at the same level. continuous innovation .. well. speaks for itselg |
| 10:14.52 | AnduinLothar | and if you dont count me redesigning it 3 times as continuous innovation then i'm personally insulted |
| 10:14.53 | sedatedChipmunk | in the end, better mods |
| 10:14.55 | ckknight | the means are an end in themselves. |
| 10:14.55 | Industrial | thats the word, maintaining means keeping it at the same level. continuous innovation .. well. speaks for itselg |
| 10:15.23 | Industrial | and thats always done better with more people |
| 10:15.39 | Industrial | democracy |
| 10:15.41 | AnduinLothar | that fact has yet to be proven to me |
| 10:16.03 | Industrial | well there is one thing you need |
| 10:16.12 | Industrial | the product cant be owned by one |
| 10:16.18 | Industrial | all are equal |
| 10:16.32 | Industrial | else you can just say that other's idead suck without even thinking about it |
| 10:16.35 | Industrial | ;) |
| 10:16.39 | mjc | haha |
| 10:16.44 | Industrial | wich is what will/would happen right now |
| 10:16.53 | Industrial | if you were to maintain it yourself |
| 10:16.56 | Industrial | the end. |
| 10:17.28 | Kirov | I actually find it humorous that some of the suggestions I had for Ace that Rowne laughed at me for suggesting is now Ace2 |
| 10:17.54 | Wobin | Kirov: We can't blame you for that =P |
| 10:17.56 | ckknight | Kirov, please don't mention the betrayer's name |
| 10:18.04 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 10:18.05 | ckknight | he was not true to the teachings |
| 10:18.06 | Wobin | Rowne was... somewhat blinkered |
| 10:18.29 | Wobin | I mean, he wrote some good things... but aieee, his code =( |
| 10:18.37 | Wobin | Maintainable it was not =P |
| 10:18.41 | Industrial | hehe |
| 10:18.47 | Mikk1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.47 | Industrial | I had to learn lua with it >_> |
| 10:18.47 | Mikk1 | Ah damn |
| 10:19.02 | ckknight | um, lol. |
| 10:19.04 | Wobin | *rolls eyes* |
| 10:19.14 | ckknight | that seems to happen all too often |
| 10:19.16 | zenzelezz | I'm sure that was purely coincidental |
| 10:19.19 | ckknight | we argue with AL, he leaves |
| 10:19.20 | Mikk1 | Not surprised, you guys were stomping on his toes pretty badly there. |
| 10:19.27 | Wobin | Not without reason |
| 10:19.32 | Mikk1 | Using valid points, given |
| 10:20.01 | ckknight | clearly the gods of Ace will watch over us in this darkest hour. |
| 10:20.30 | Wobin | Although, I think if we can get the focus -away- from the OneLibToRuleThemAll, and more to the processes involved, more people will embrace it. And it'll ACTUALLY WORK! |
| 10:21.17 | sedatedChipmunk | i think it should be One_Lib_to_Rule_them_All |
| 10:21.19 | Industrial | Wobin: yay |
| 10:21.22 | sedatedChipmunk | =D |
| 10:21.35 | sedatedChipmunk | let's debate endlessly about it |
| 10:21.36 | Mikk1 | sedatedChipmunk: That's not OO. It must be OneLib:Rule_Them_All() |
| 10:21.36 | Wobin | The clash of personalities within the AceAddon community is going to completely prevent the whole OLTRTA from working successfuly |
| 10:21.47 | Industrial | 1Lib2Rule* |
| 10:21.48 | Industrial | :P |
| 10:21.53 | sedatedChipmunk | nice |
| 10:22.02 | Wobin | s/Ace// |
| 10:22.07 | Industrial | haha |
| 10:22.09 | Wobin | *cough* |
| 10:22.13 | Wobin | =P |
| 10:22.26 | Mikk1 | OLTRTA? o.O |
| 10:22.26 | sedatedChipmunk | 9/10 for that one, bud |
| 10:22.37 | ckknight | let's just hope He-who-must-not-be-named doesn't rear his head |
| 10:22.49 | ckknight | Mikk1, one lib to rule them all |
| 10:22.51 | Wobin | OneLib:ToRuleThemAll() =P |
| 10:22.53 | Mikk1 | o |
| 10:23.16 | ckknight | AceLibrary("OneLib-2.0"):RuleThem("ALL") |
| 10:23.20 | Mikk1 | And I just had coffee so I can't blame that either |
| 10:23.24 | Industrial | 1Lib:Rule(All) |
| 10:23.25 | Industrial | :P |
| 10:23.42 | Industrial | ckknight: hehehe |
| 10:23.53 | sedatedChipmunk | hehe |
| 10:24.02 | Mikk1 | :Rule(".*") |
| 10:24.16 | ckknight | yea, that's a good one |
| 10:24.50 | wereHamster | I still don't understand why we need a protocol.. my messages and those from Sky won't interfere with each other (..shouldn't when both addons are properly written) so what's the problem with different protocols? |
| 10:25.19 | ckknight | I gotta ask: to you non-Ace'ers out there, would you be against the possibility of using Ace2 for new addons (not necessarily updating old ones), and if so, why? |
| 10:25.22 | Mikk1 | An AddOn that wants to communicate with several different AddOns would need to load several libraries |
| 10:25.26 | Mikk1 | But that's the only one I can think of really |
| 10:25.26 | sedatedChipmunk | I wasn't exactly serious when I suggested debating endlessly about that =( |
| 10:25.48 | zenzelezz | with non-protocols you have to look into others to make sure they don't crash... with a protocol you can, if you adhere to it, be ignorant of others |
| 10:26.04 | Wobin | wereHamster: Perhaps not necessarily the message format, but certainly we need to figure out channel name generation |
| 10:26.16 | Wobin | Since the main argument is the multiple channel usage |
| 10:26.19 | Mikk1 | ckknight: On principle? I'm not. I like embedded libs in general. Though my laziness and the learning curve of Ace's OO approach to the World, Life and Everything might clash. |
| 10:26.22 | sedatedChipmunk | you can have a very loose protocol and achieve that |
| 10:26.29 | sedatedChipmunk | say, start with your addon's name |
| 10:26.38 | sedatedChipmunk | the end of a message is already there |
| 10:26.39 | ckknight | Mikk1, thing is, Ace2, unlike Ace1, does most things for you |
| 10:26.51 | zenzelezz | as long as it's an unambiguous protocol, it can be as loose as it wants to |
| 10:26.53 | ckknight | plus, it's documented (to the extreme!) |
| 10:26.54 | Kirov | I'd need to look at ace2 more |
| 10:27.03 | Wobin | wiki.wowace.com |
| 10:27.04 | Mikk1 | Kirov: Yeah, me too, really. |
| 10:27.06 | ckknight | note: I wrote most of the documentation |
| 10:27.18 | sedatedChipmunk | possibly even to the eXtREmE |
| 10:27.22 | wereHamster | ckknight, I find it an overkill to use such big libs for my tiny addons.. |
| 10:27.23 | Wobin | oh god |
| 10:27.26 | ckknight | it's not 100% complete, I still need to work on the module framework a bit and such |
| 10:27.27 | Wobin | eXtreme Programming! |
| 10:27.29 | Industrial | I need to look at it more too |
| 10:27.29 | Industrial | :P |
| 10:27.48 | ckknight | wereHamster, I find it's not about the 'big' libs, but about code reuse |
| 10:27.51 | sedatedChipmunk | I practice eXtreme IRC flaming |
| 10:27.57 | Mikk1 | So basically what we're saying is that for the majority of cases, the one big reason is: We CBA. :-P |
| 10:28.00 | ckknight | why should I write my own chat handling, or event handling, or hooking, or whatever stuff |
| 10:28.07 | Industrial | Actually the whole 'lets develop it with the community' thing, thats Ace2. You are welcome to join. |
| 10:28.11 | Industrial | there :) |
| 10:28.18 | zenzelezz | granted I don't write complex mods, nor imagine I'll release anything, I like to not use libraries unless I have to... just because I like knowing what my code does (not using libraries doesn't always help there either, of course) |
| 10:28.25 | wereHamster | When I look at BulkMail, how much of the Ace2 code is really used in the addon ? |
| 10:28.44 | sedatedChipmunk | I'm still learning |
| 10:28.45 | Mikk1 | I'm half tempted to use something for my current monster |
| 10:28.51 | Industrial | wereHamster: you only have to include the parts you need |
| 10:28.53 | ckknight | wereHamster, good thing to note about Ace2: if you don't use a certain part of it, you don't have to include it |
| 10:28.54 | sedatedChipmunk | it was swapped over two days ago =x |
| 10:29.02 | Wobin | Mikk1: Give it a go |
| 10:29.09 | ckknight | e.g. if you don't use hooking, don't use the AceHook mixin |
| 10:29.18 | ckknight | if you don't use events, don't use the AceEvent mixin |
| 10:29.33 | ckknight | or, alternatively, feel free to write your own. it's fully modular |
| 10:30.31 | Industrial | ad #wowace |
| 10:30.31 | Industrial | :P |
| 10:30.31 | Industrial | and* |
| 10:30.31 | sedatedChipmunk | right now, it mainly uses the database |
| 10:30.32 | sedatedChipmunk | which automatically implements one of th emost-requested features, and would have been a monster to get right, myself |
| 10:30.32 | sedatedChipmunk | that being profiling |
| 10:30.32 | sedatedChipmunk | also |
| 10:30.52 | sedatedChipmunk | I use AceConsole to handle my chat interface, and I found out today that it was exactly 2 lines and I got a free menu config out of it =D |
| 10:31.06 | sedatedChipmunk | that made me all kinds of happy |
| 10:31.07 | wereHamster | Wobin, to the channel name generation, I've added both a fully automatic way and also a possibility for the user to specify a channel name, because there still are people who think that using a generated name doesn't work |
| 10:31.14 | Industrial | sedatedChipmunk: lol |
| 10:31.27 | ckknight | yea, we designed AceConsole and Dewdrop and AceOptions to all use the same data table ;-) |
| 10:31.30 | Wobin | wereHamster: Suggest it on the thread with reasons? |
| 10:31.39 | Wobin | we need more discussion on that thread |
| 10:31.47 | Wobin | Aside from just AL saying "Use Sky" |
| 10:32.20 | sedatedChipmunk | sky's the one that stuck silly cloud icons on all my party members and next to everyone in my raid window, right? |
| 10:32.41 | zenzelezz | cloud icons? |
| 10:32.54 | Wobin | And if you can phrase it in a way that doesn't say "OMG Y DON'T U USE MY CODE LEIK THIS", and more "Hey here's a format you could use..." I'd appreciate it =P |
| 10:33.03 | sedatedChipmunk | yea, and they were like ! this person doesn't use Sky! |
| 10:33.12 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 10:33.33 | sedatedChipmunk | so I'll clutter your interface as punishment! |
| 10:33.41 | Industrial | heh |
| 10:33.42 | Industrial | :P |
| 10:33.44 | Wobin | It'll keep the tone of the thread more... conjuvial =P |
| 10:33.45 | sedatedChipmunk | and I was all like, '/cry' |
| 10:33.57 | Industrial | like that sucks dude |
| 10:34.03 | Industrial | :P |
| 10:34.14 | sedatedChipmunk | anyway, I'm sleeping |
| 10:34.39 | Industrial | nn |
| 10:35.46 | ckknight | oh yea, fun thing I implemented today in AceEvent, :TriggerDelayedEvent("eventName", delay, ...) |
| 10:35.56 | ckknight | hehe |
| 10:36.14 | Mikk1 | Funny. Looking through Ace2, I see all the support functions I've already implemented in my AddOn >.< |
| 10:36.16 | ckknight | all this and more can be yours for only 12 easy payments of $14.95 |
| 10:36.24 | Mikk1 | Registering events.. Custom chat types ... Timers ... |
| 10:36.30 | zenzelezz | does that schedule an event or initiate one that was waiting? |
| 10:36.43 | ckknight | zenzelezz, schedule one that fires in delay seconds |
| 10:37.01 | ckknight | :TriggerEvent("eventName", ...) does the same thing without a delay |
| 10:37.26 | ckknight | Mikk1, yep :-). it's all nice and efficient, too ;-) |
| 10:37.27 | zenzelezz | was the Trigger part that had me confused... that sounds immediate |
| 10:37.44 | ckknight | ah |
| 10:37.49 | sedatedChipmunk | trigger starts the delay |
| 10:37.56 | ckknight | well, basically events are handled through registration or triggering |
| 10:38.01 | zenzelezz | yeah, I figured after he answered :-p |
| 10:38.03 | sedatedChipmunk | then you count mississippis |
| 10:38.09 | ckknight | Mikk1, not denying it. |
| 10:38.22 | sedatedChipmunk | good, come help make ace2 more efficient |
| 10:38.29 | zenzelezz | but like I asked - I was wondering if it could have been a function that sort of "killed" the delay on a waiting event |
| 10:38.50 | zenzelezz | (obviously it wasn't) |
| 10:38.52 | [Ammo] | you mean cancel a delayed event before it happens? |
| 10:38.58 | sedatedChipmunk | premature triggeration |
| 10:39.00 | wereHamster | Wobin, I presented the new feature in the forum.. so far I didn't get any feedback |
| 10:39.02 | Mikk1 | Meh. I wanna expand myDebug. And WoWBench. And actually finish writing my DKP mod =) |
| 10:39.08 | ckknight | zenzelezz, it's all documented here: http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/AceEvent-2.0_API_Documentation |
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| 10:39.25 | sedatedChipmunk | that's because you are inferior rodent |
| 10:39.48 | Mikk1 | I have so many ideas for myDebug it's not even funny... Dynamic hooking & stack tracing of functions in-game... Event debugging... |
| 10:39.54 | ckknight | really? chipmunk > hamster? |
| 10:40.03 | sedatedChipmunk | I picked up myDebug yesterday |
| 10:40.08 | sedatedChipmunk | great piece of work |
| 10:40.11 | Mikk1 | A built-in debug output system that pushes data into the variable view for DETAILED display |
| 10:40.21 | Mikk1 | sedatedChipmunk: Most of it is Scheid's. Just saying. |
| 10:40.22 | ckknight | Mikk1, note: AceEvent-2.0 has debugging capabilities in place :-P |
| 10:40.39 | sedatedChipmunk | great for scanning AceDBs =) |
| 10:40.55 | Mikk1 | ckknight: Not just strings though. I want to push entire tables (limited-depth copy) |
| 10:41.10 | Wobin | I love the tablescanning in MyDebug |
| 10:41.16 | ckknight | Mikk1, limited-depth copy? |
| 10:41.21 | Wobin | (Mikk: Edition) |
| 10:41.37 | ckknight | there are shinier ways to copy than that :-p |
| 10:41.37 | Mikk1 | ckknight: Do a "deep" copy of the table, but only up to a given depth to conserve RAM |
| 10:41.48 | ckknight | ah, alright |
| 10:41.53 | Wobin | Mikk1: Although *pokepoke* I wanna be able to put in "womble.frog.cabbage" into the entry field =) |
| 10:42.00 | Mikk1 | Wobin: you can? |
| 10:42.09 | Wobin | Not with MyDebug atm |
| 10:42.14 | Mikk1 | Which ver? |
| 10:42.19 | Wobin | I think Tekkub posted a note to that effect? |
| 10:42.20 | Mikk1 | 0702 has support for that |
| 10:42.23 | Wobin | hm |
| 10:42.38 | Wobin | I just got it off wowi, yesterday? |
| 10:42.44 | Wobin | (couple of days ago?) |
| 10:42.44 | Mikk1 | ... weird |
| 10:42.44 | sedatedChipmunk | wobin, go sit down |
| 10:42.55 | sedatedChipmunk | stop your beeble-weebling |
| 10:42.56 | Mikk1 | Did you click the archived version rather than the big download button? =) |
| 10:43.11 | sedatedChipmunk | really, though, I'm sleeping |
| 10:43.17 | [Ammo] | no you're not |
| 10:43.21 | Wobin | Mikk1: heh, I'll redownload and try again |
| 10:43.34 | sedatedChipmunk | FuBar_myDebugFu? |
| 10:43.40 | sedatedChipmunk | cool |
| 10:43.45 | Wobin | wereHamster: You'll have to post again, I'm afraid. |
| 10:44.01 | Wobin | wereHamster: Forum attention span is rarely past a page =P |
| 10:44.34 | Mikk1 | Wobin: Nope, checked. The latest version (20060702) DTRTs. |
| 10:44.42 | Wobin | k |
| 10:45.20 | Wobin | Maybe I spelled the variable name incorrectly |
| 10:45.22 | Mikk1 | the 0702 version also ships with FAIAP =) |
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| 10:46.02 | Wobin | I <3 FAIAP |
| 10:48.02 | Wobin | I wish the blizzard forums gave a list of previous posts when you replied |
| 10:49.43 | Mikk1 | Plus, I want to code my in-game UI editor =( |
| 10:49.56 | Mikk1 | Every damn time I'm poking around in XML I wish I had it |
| 10:50.11 | Kirov | They've been saying for a while that they have a new forum in the works. |
| 10:50.28 | Mikk1 | Kirov: That'd be the beta forums |
| 10:50.29 | Kirov | This new website gives me hope they might release it soon, and it might not suck |
| 10:50.38 | Kirov | though ... it'll be really really slow |
| 10:50.54 | Mikk1 | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/ |
| 10:50.59 | Wobin | Kirov: Well, given the amount of people using it, I wouldn't be too surprised |
| 10:51.12 | Wobin | Although Blizzard can certainly afford the hardware to make it better =P |
| 10:54.59 | Mikk1 | Hmm.. let's see... |
| 10:55.11 | Mikk1 | One big mofo frame on top of everything... Very high level... which eats all clicks |
| 10:55.19 | Kirov | I'd love to see some sort of addon library for caching data from show operations. |
| 10:55.22 | Mikk1 | Then another frame with a border that i can move around and resize to indicate what's selected |
| 10:55.32 | Mikk1 | And that one could be dragged and resized |
| 10:56.00 | Wobin | Show operations? |
| 10:56.15 | Kirov | slow |
| 10:56.17 | Kirov | sorry |
| 10:56.37 | Wobin | Kirov: There are probably a few out there for the more intensive ones |
| 10:56.38 | Mikk1 | And store everything like ["Frame"] = { name="foobar", parent="UIParent", inherits="Blargh", SetPoint = { .... }, SetSomethingElse } |
| 10:56.42 | Wobin | Spellbook scanning etc |
| 10:57.23 | Wobin | Mikk1: And then a lua script that converts it to lua and/or XML? =) |
| 10:57.29 | Mikk1 | No |
| 10:57.33 | Mikk1 | Just keep the table like that |
| 10:57.40 | Kirov | Like, how many mods do a Gametooltip:GetText() from every buff / debuff on UNIT_AURA changes? |
| 10:57.43 | Mikk1 | You show the frames by iterating over the table and just calling the methods shown |
| 10:57.53 | Wobin | =\ |
| 10:58.03 | Wobin | Make one that generates the lua code =P |
| 10:58.09 | Mikk1 | Why? |
| 10:58.18 | Wobin | Then there isn't another library that's required by the endaddon =) |
| 10:58.19 | Mikk1 | The lua code would be the table + a 10 line loop |
| 10:58.31 | Mikk1 | I'd ofcourse paste the loop along with the table |
| 10:58.44 | Mikk1 | The benefit of keeping it as a table is that it's easily accessible if you want to modify something later |
| 10:59.03 | Kirov | ckknight - does Ace have a single tooltip to scan? |
| 10:59.04 | Mikk1 | You get almost everything out of the UI today by Get___() calls, but the one thing you can't get is scripts |
| 10:59.16 | ckknight | Kirov, yep, it's called Gratuity-2.0 |
| 10:59.19 | Mikk1 | So keeping it as a nice friendly table is Good(tm) |
| 10:59.26 | ckknight | Tekkub wrote it |
| 10:59.27 | Wobin | So you'd need a UIeditor addon to make the addon, then the UIgenerator addon to use it in your addon? |
| 10:59.37 | [Ammo] | the offical term is: Gratuity - Always leave a nice tip |
| 10:59.43 | Mikk1 | Wobin: no |
| 10:59.52 | Mikk1 | The UIeditor addon generates Lua code |
| 10:59.55 | Mikk1 | The Lua code is a big effin table |
| 10:59.57 | Wobin | =P |
| 11:00.00 | Wobin | That's what I said =P |
| 11:00.05 | Mikk1 | And at the end, a 10-liner which just iterates over the table |
| 11:00.10 | Mikk1 | That's all you need |
| 11:00.12 | Wobin | but I guess at a different stage to the discussion |
| 11:00.31 | Mikk1 | Aye. I don't want to generate straight Lua code |
| 11:00.37 | Mikk1 | Because then I'd have to maintain two copies of the stuff |
| 11:00.41 | Wobin | Oh, not when you're still editing, naturally |
| 11:00.42 | Mikk1 | And one is bound to go out of sync |
| 11:01.02 | Mikk1 | Aye but embedding the editor data in the resulting addon is nifty for future work |
| 11:01.03 | Wobin | I misunderstood the end result |
| 11:01.07 | Mikk1 | No need to keep a separate copy of the data |
| 11:01.10 | Kirov | ckknight - does Gratuity cache the data it collects? |
| 11:01.20 | Mikk1 | Damn. I need to start poking with this =) |
| 11:01.23 | Wobin | Mikk1: hm, I dunno |
| 11:01.26 | ckknight | Kirov, yes |
| 11:01.30 | Wobin | Keep it saved in the editor |
| 11:01.30 | [Ammo] | while coding that addon you will get enough experience with generating frames in lua and how they actually owrk that you will make your addon obsolete for your own use |
| 11:01.33 | Wobin | not in the end addon |
| 11:01.37 | ckknight | afaik |
| 11:01.59 | Wobin | It's not like we embed the html formatting in webpages |
| 11:02.02 | Mikk1 | [Ammo]: Nah, I know perfectly well how to do all of it already. It's just such a huge pain in the ass to tweak XML, reload, tweak XML, reload, tweak XML, reload... |
| 11:02.13 | Wobin | (er, editor speicifc design etc yada) |
| 11:02.24 | [Ammo] | I'm not talking xml :p |
| 11:02.26 | Kirov | ckknight - so if multiple mods request data from the same :Set method it doesn't do the scan again? |
| 11:02.32 | [Ammo] | I can't use xml, can't get my head around it |
| 11:02.40 | [Ammo] | luckily blizzard provided the nice lua api |
| 11:02.41 | Kirov | With in a single frame |
| 11:02.48 | ckknight | Kirov, actually I think it does |
| 11:02.56 | ckknight | wait |
| 11:02.57 | ckknight | um |
| 11:03.00 | ckknight | no, actually |
| 11:03.09 | ckknight | it caches |
| 11:03.10 | wereHamster | Wobin, I dumped my CommChannel thread in the forums.. |
| 11:03.15 | wereHamster | bumped.. |
| 11:03.16 | Mikk1 | Wobin: I'll pastebin my idea.. sec |
| 11:03.25 | ckknight | you can also use :Find(...) and :FindDeformat(...) |
| 11:03.34 | ckknight | which use the cached info |
| 11:03.39 | [Ammo] | kirov: http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/Gratuity-2.0_API_Documentation |
| 11:04.06 | Kirov | Ammo - looking at that now, but it doesn't have any info on it's nitty gritties |
| 11:04.13 | Kirov | Just it's use |
| 11:04.46 | Wobin | yah, that's the problem with APIs =) |
| 11:05.04 | [Ammo] | Kirov: download it from the ace SVN, and check it out |
| 11:05.49 | ckknight | Kirov, basically, you call a :Set* method |
| 11:06.03 | ckknight | then you use :Find() or :FindDeformat() or just traverse the lines manually |
| 11:06.27 | Wobin | wereHamster: Link the relevant info into the current thread =( |
| 11:07.46 | Wobin | wereHamster: Hm, on the WoW UI forum? I can't seem to see it =( |
| 11:08.49 | wereHamster | link is there :) |
| 11:08.59 | Kirov | I don't see it on th svn |
| 11:09.31 | [Ammo] | GratuityLib |
| 11:10.11 | Kirov | found it, heh |
| 11:10.11 | [Ammo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.11 | [Ammo] | for the 2.0 version |
| 11:10.11 | Wobin | wereHamster: =\ Still can't see it =( *refreshes* |
| 11:10.13 | Wobin | oh |
| 11:10.21 | Wobin | on the wowace forum |
| 11:10.46 | Wobin | no, I meant on the World of Warcraft offical UI forum |
| 11:12.02 | Wobin | since the audience on the Wowace forums isn't the one we're talking to =) |
| 11:12.21 | wereHamster | I don't have access to the US forum.. |
| 11:12.48 | Wobin | ah |
| 11:12.54 | Wobin | okay, I'll post a link then =) |
| 11:13.30 | ckknight | http://www.stripgenerator.com/viewEng.php?id=148615 <-- comic I made (it's awesome) |
| 11:15.43 | Mikk1 | Wobin: http://pastebin.ca/82354 |
| 11:15.59 | Mikk1 | Not sure if I need to keep the widget methods ordered |
| 11:16.18 | Mikk1 | Though I suppose I could have some global list that I sort them according to before executing them |
| 11:17.19 | Wobin | You'd want ClearAllPoints before SetPoint and stuff |
| 11:17.23 | Kirov | [1] = { is redundant |
| 11:17.35 | wereHamster | I think the difference between me an AL is.. I'm trying to advertise a standard,he's trying to advertise his addon.. at least that's how his post in the US forums sound.. |
| 11:17.39 | Mikk1 | Kirov: good point ;) |
| 11:17.55 | Mikk1 | Wobin: Yeah, that could be built in |
| 11:17.56 | Wobin | wereHamster: Agreed |
| 11:18.17 | Wobin | Which is why I tried to point out a more 'generalised' naming scheme =P |
| 11:18.41 | Mikk1 | wereHamster: Stop hijacking Wobin, he's mine now =) |
| 11:18.51 | Wobin | AL cannot seem to grasp the concept of community discussion =P |
| 11:19.04 | Mikk1 | (and tbh that discussion belongs in /msgs) |
| 11:19.06 | wereHamster | gotta go.. be back in 20mins ;) |
| 11:19.21 | wereHamster | he's all your, Mikk1 |
| 11:19.23 | Wobin | Mikk1: Maybe have 'projects' in the editor that you can save all those to? |
| 11:19.44 | Mikk1 | Wobin: Certainly. But how do I edit an abandoned addon? |
| 11:19.56 | Wobin | abandoned? |
| 11:19.59 | Mikk1 | Or hell, pick up my own addon from some site after my hard drive crashes? |
| 11:20.07 | Mikk1 | (And I lose my editor SVs) |
| 11:20.11 | Wobin | ah |
| 11:20.38 | Mikk1 | The benefit of that approach is that you can end it with MyAddOn_Design = nil |
| 11:20.48 | Mikk1 | You can't nil out Lua =) |
| 11:21.18 | Wobin | hang on, what are we discussing? =) |
| 11:21.42 | Mikk1 | Whether to store table+lua in the resulting AddOn, or to spew out raw Lua |
| 11:22.04 | Mikk1 | Frankly, I'm only seeing benefits with table+lua so far =) |
| 11:22.22 | Wobin | Actually, what would be cool is if your addon could read a current addon and generate the details from that |
| 11:22.34 | Mikk1 | That's what table+lua does reliably |
| 11:22.36 | Wobin | (as long as the addon had a consistant namespace or something) |
| 11:22.41 | Mikk1 | It can scan on-screen stuff too |
| 11:22.43 | Mikk1 | But it can't get scripts |
| 11:22.55 | Mikk1 | It can tell that there IS a script |
| 11:22.57 | Mikk1 | But that's about it |
| 11:23.42 | Wobin | Mikk1: Maybe make it in a function in your generated addon so it doesn't load the string unless required? |
| 11:23.42 | Mikk1 | Though I suppose if the hard work is done, going through XML and copying in the scripts ain't that bad |
| 11:23.55 | Wobin | (The table variable) |
| 11:23.56 | Mikk1 | not following |
| 11:24.07 | Mikk1 | What's the benefit though? |
| 11:24.16 | Mikk1 | Your Lua file becomes bigger, you get two versions to maintain.. |
| 11:24.23 | Wobin | Well I guess what I'm sorta thinking, is that after the whole editing and all, the addon is supposed to run on it's own, yeah? |
| 11:24.23 | Mikk1 | You use more RAM |
| 11:24.28 | Mikk1 | yea |
| 11:24.34 | Mikk1 | absolutely |
| 11:24.40 | Mikk1 | did you read the whole pastebin? |
| 11:24.52 | Mikk1 | including the 5 lines at the end? |
| 11:25.09 | Wobin | *cough* yes. hang on, lemme rearrange my thinking =P |
| 11:25.23 | Mikk1 | mkay =) |
| 11:25.50 | Mikk1 | Oh oh oh oh wait |
| 11:25.54 | Mikk1 | More benefits |
| 11:26.05 | Mikk1 | If you don't store it in raw Lua in the AddOn |
| 11:26.12 | Mikk1 | You can make changes to the UI in the editor, and load via SV |
| 11:26.17 | Mikk1 | Then go and make some code changes in the addon |
| 11:26.22 | Mikk1 | And NOT have to paste in new code |
| 11:26.26 | Mikk1 | from the editor i mean |
| 11:26.28 | Mikk1 | just reload & go |
| 11:26.43 | Wobin | Can we directly access addon code like that? |
| 11:26.49 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 11:26.51 | Wobin | yes we can |
| 11:26.56 | Mikk1 | Aye it's just a global |
| 11:27.02 | Wobin | since the stuff is just from the SV |
| 11:27.17 | Wobin | hm, nice =) |
| 11:27.27 | Mikk1 | Once done, you just cut it out of the SV and paste into the addon |
| 11:28.11 | Wobin | Mikk1: It's going to have a -lot- of settings =) |
| 11:28.16 | Wobin | I don't envy you that task =) |
| 11:28.32 | Mikk1 | Actually, I was thinking more along just allowing people to input APIs |
| 11:28.35 | Wobin | Since it's generated from the table, you'll have to offer every single api function to the gui |
| 11:28.42 | Mikk1 | It'd understand some of the basic positioning APIs itself |
| 11:28.50 | Mikk1 | So you could drag stuff around |
| 11:29.02 | Wobin | layers, regions, overlays etc |
| 11:29.02 | Mikk1 | But if you want to change anchoring for instance, you just go and edit the relevant API |
| 11:29.30 | Wobin | Mikk1: If you could have the anchorpoint glow or something, that'd be cool |
| 11:29.41 | Mikk1 | Nice idea |
| 11:29.51 | Mikk1 | Both the own point and the relative To one |
| 11:30.11 | Mikk1 | Damn, this is way cool =) |
| 11:30.21 | Wobin | hehe |
| 11:30.57 | Mikk1 | Hell, even scanning a live UI is easy |
| 11:31.16 | Mikk1 | GetPoint() ... output a SetPoint() command |
| 11:31.25 | Wobin | GetNumPoints() |
| 11:31.29 | Mikk1 | Erm yea |
| 11:31.45 | Mikk1 | Several, of course |
| 11:32.11 | Mikk1 | Hmm.. textures and fontstrings... |
| 11:32.16 | Mikk1 | Hmmmmm.... |
| 11:32.29 | Mikk1 | I'd have to keep track of existing ones to re-use, obviously |
| 11:32.41 | Wobin | inheritance? |
| 11:32.48 | Mikk1 | What about it? o.O |
| 11:32.51 | Mikk1 | Ah shit, can't scan that |
| 11:33.10 | Mikk1 | It's easy to get right when starting something from scratch |
| 11:33.20 | Mikk1 | But scanning it... |
| 11:34.02 | Mikk1 | I SUPPOSE it could be possible to provide the scanner with templates per object scanned |
| 11:34.12 | Mikk1 | And it could eliminate what's in the template |
| 11:34.23 | Mikk1 | (By creating a temp frame using the template and seeing what it ends up like) |
| 11:34.30 | Wobin | hm |
| 11:34.36 | Wobin | well... probably not |
| 11:34.47 | Mikk1 | ynot? o.O |
| 11:35.07 | Mikk1 | Manually providing template names, I mean |
| 11:35.11 | Wobin | oh yeah |
| 11:35.14 | Wobin | that'd work |
| 11:35.24 | Mikk1 | Have to accept a wee bit of work |
| 11:35.31 | Mikk1 | Or hell, paste the xml |
| 11:35.37 | Wobin | I'm pretty sure there's some way to get a virtual frame instantiated or something |
| 11:35.55 | Mikk1 | Sure there is. Just create a dummy frame with the template? |
| 11:36.00 | Wobin | yeah |
| 11:36.11 | Mikk1 | Heh, pasting the XML should do it tbh |
| 11:36.22 | Mikk1 | Just scan for <Frame name="..." inherits="..."> |
| 11:36.26 | Mikk1 | doesn't need a real parser |
| 11:36.51 | Wobin | unless they don't use XML =) |
| 11:37.01 | Mikk1 | Well then they can bloody well enter it themselves =) |
| 11:37.02 | Wobin | <-- |
| 11:37.12 | Mikk1 | Just fake a bunch of <Frame name... |
| 11:38.13 | Mikk1 | Um lol. Such an UI editor addon could even handle versioning >.< |
| 11:38.57 | Mikk1 | Just dump versions in a table with timestamps |
| 11:40.09 | wereHamster | Mikk1, your time is up, Wobin is mine again ;) |
| 11:41.22 | Wobin | =P |
| 11:45.49 | Mikk1 | Gah. My only problem now is that I want an UI editor AddOn to create the UI editor AddOn =) |
| 11:46.50 | Wobin | Oh noes |
| 11:46.54 | Wobin | It's a vicious circle =) |
| 11:46.57 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 11:47.10 | Mikk1 | I'll just code up the basics so I get a nice table to edit manually |
| 11:47.19 | Mikk1 | Then I design the UI with that =) |
| 11:47.26 | Wobin | hehe |
| 11:47.36 | Wobin | self constructing addon, I like it! |
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| 11:51.20 | wereHamster | what about a self-fixing addon? |
| 11:51.48 | Wobin | I'd <3 that |
| 11:52.12 | Wobin | Bug: "X doesn't work!" Reply: "Hit the 'Fix' button a few more times." |
| 11:57.32 | Mikk1 | "you're looking for 'Red stop'" |
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| 12:05.59 | Industrial | Need some tips: http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/templates/20-29/priest.html |
| 12:09.45 | Mikk1 | Bah. Just level past those levels =) |
| 12:09.51 | Mikk1 | Faster than writing it up ;) |
| 12:09.57 | Mikk1 | Though tbh that should go on the wiki |
| 12:11.21 | Industrial | I have one for a lv 19 rogue too |
| 12:11.31 | Industrial | and this doesnt include enchants yet but hey.. |
| 12:11.46 | Industrial | well i'd need to make it forst |
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| 12:16.28 | Industrial | hey i know what |
| 12:16.33 | Industrial | I could put it on the ace svn! |
| 12:16.37 | Industrial | *badoom tisch* |
| 12:16.42 | Industrial | make it a community thing |
| 12:16.46 | Industrial | kek |
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| 12:47.59 | Mikk1 | Wobin: How about this one.. after creating the frame, it goes and checks for <FrameName>_OnLoad() et al and autosets them as scripts? |
| 12:48.24 | Mikk1 | (Or possibly looks for a table with the name of the frame, and looks for :OnLoad() etc methods in it) |
| 12:48.26 | Wobin | hm |
| 12:48.37 | Wobin | yeah, the latter would possiby work better |
| 12:48.43 | Mikk1 | It takes some shuffling |
| 12:48.46 | Mikk1 | Since the name will be overwritten |
| 12:48.50 | Wobin | (or both) |
| 12:48.58 | Mikk1 | Yeah I'm thinking both tbh |
| 12:49.37 | Mikk1 | Works with both ways of setting up handlers |
| 12:49.55 | Mikk1 | Doing global functions is common. And believers in all things Aceish get methods. |
| 12:51.50 | Wobin | Although the latter is more a 'yay lua function framestuff' thing that an Aceish thing |
| 12:52.42 | Mikk1 | Best way of finding all possible scripts? |
| 12:52.51 | Mikk1 | There's gotta be something I can just sacn |
| 12:52.52 | Mikk1 | scan* |
| 12:52.57 | Wobin | heh |
| 12:52.59 | Wobin | hm |
| 12:53.34 | Wobin | not overly easy |
| 12:53.44 | Mikk1 | hm no perhaps not |
| 12:53.49 | Mikk1 | ui.xsd ftw i guess |
| 12:54.36 | Mikk1 | Argh. I need a name |
| 12:54.45 | Mikk1 | addon name =) |
| 12:56.17 | Mikk1 | UIEdit ftw |
| 12:56.38 | Wobin | http://pastebin.ca/82397 |
| 12:56.47 | Wobin | is what I did for my framepool lib =P |
| 12:56.50 | Wobin | It's not pretty |
| 12:57.08 | Wobin | addon name.... |
| 12:57.20 | Wobin | EtchASketch |
| 12:57.25 | Mikk1 | lol |
| 12:57.30 | Mikk1 | not bad |
| 12:57.47 | Wobin | ArchitectSketch =P |
| 12:57.57 | Mikk1 | I like EtchASketch =) |
| 12:58.17 | Wobin | =) |
| 12:59.30 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 12:59.37 | Mikk1 | morning josh |
| 13:13.48 | JoshBorke | anything exciting going on? |
| 13:25.47 | Wobin | Mikk1: If you can write in a minigame that does an etch-a-sketch in it, I'll love you forever =) |
| 13:26.04 | Mikk1 | ... errr =) |
| 13:26.08 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:26.15 | Mikk1 | hmm wait.. keybinds |
| 13:26.18 | Wobin | I was just thinking how to go about doing it =) |
| 13:26.38 | Mikk1 | using the mouse would be too easy |
| 13:26.43 | Wobin | leftmousebutton down would turn the dial one way, rightmousebutton down, would turn it the other =) |
| 13:26.47 | Mikk1 | but keybinds are too clunky compared to what you can actually do with the dials |
| 13:26.54 | Wobin | but hm, that wouldn't allow you to do diagonals |
| 13:27.03 | Mikk1 | ohyeah.. can't trigger on up/down |
| 13:27.07 | Mikk1 | or can you now? |
| 13:27.10 | Mikk1 | something changed |
| 13:27.12 | Mikk1 | what was it |
| 13:27.14 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:27.16 | Wobin | point |
| 13:28.07 | Mikk1 | How exactly do we want "$parent" to work btw? Always the name of the enclosing object, right? Ignore parent="Foo" as far as naming goes? |
| 13:28.21 | Mikk1 | I seem to remember that's how the XML parser works |
| 13:29.25 | Wobin | define enclosing |
| 13:29.34 | Wobin | in an non-xml way |
| 13:29.45 | Mikk1 | I redesigned the tables so they look a bit more like xml |
| 13:29.50 | Mikk1 | i.e. a frame has a "frames" subtable |
| 13:30.02 | Mikk1 | not sure it's the right thing tho |
| 13:30.36 | Mikk1 | It was the only sane way I could think of to get parent-child relationships to work well with unnamed objecfts |
| 13:30.46 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:30.46 | Mikk1 | Not that that's very important in and of itself |
| 13:33.01 | Mikk1 | http://pastebin.ca/82412 <-- current structure (may need reload) |
| 13:33.33 | Mikk1 | Code is busted, just look at the table =) |
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| 13:35.24 | Mikk1 | was that a disconnect? |
| 13:35.46 | [Wobin] | hm was for me |
| 13:35.51 | Mikk1 | http://pastebin.ca/82412 <-- current structure (may need reload) |
| 13:35.54 | Mikk1 | Code is busted, just look at the table =) |
| 13:38.45 | Wobin | That'll work great =) |
| 13:39.05 | Wobin | I guess you're parsing the $parent string as well? |
| 13:39.14 | Mikk1 | In 2 minutes: yes =) |
| 13:39.32 | Wobin | And wouldn't that make the first frame UIParent_Frame? |
| 13:39.55 | Mikk1 | Depends on how I implement $parent |
| 13:40.08 | Wobin | how will Textures fit in? |
| 13:40.10 | Mikk1 | IIRC, the XML parser uses the name of the enclosing period |
| 13:40.12 | Mikk1 | Good question |
| 13:40.15 | Mikk1 | Haven't thought about them yet |
| 13:40.19 | Wobin | and fontstrings etal |
| 13:40.27 | Mikk1 | Textures and Fontstrings |
| 13:40.32 | Mikk1 | Doesn't get much bigger than that =) |
| 13:40.39 | Mikk1 | Everything else is a frame |
| 13:40.40 | Wobin | hehe yeah, everything else is frame based |
| 13:41.16 | Mikk1 | Re-pasted. $parent should work |
| 13:41.19 | Mikk1 | Not tested =p |
| 13:41.42 | Mikk1 | Ehmm... lessee |
| 13:41.51 | Mikk1 | Only doing Frame:CreateFontstring() is ... bleh |
| 13:41.55 | Mikk1 | Would need more support than that |
| 13:42.59 | Mikk1 | Replicating the <Layers> approach in XML seems stupid though |
| 13:44.08 | Mikk1 | regions = { [1] = { type="FontString" name="foo" layer="bar", inherits="baz" }, ... } |
| 13:44.09 | Mikk1 | perhaps |
| 13:44.20 | Mikk1 | and each entry would have "methods" just like frames |
| 13:48.02 | Mikk1 | hm no wait i don't need that. just rename "frames" to "children" and stuff them all in there |
| 13:48.15 | Mikk1 | can trigger on type |
| 13:49.55 | Wobin | Aye |
| 13:51.31 | Wobin | It doesn't have to be a replica of the xml, just smart enough to do it's own determination of type |
| 13:51.59 | Mikk1 | Okay.. um.. here's a tricky one |
| 13:52.07 | Mikk1 | I want to put in a SetAllPoints call |
| 13:52.11 | Mikk1 | And I want to anchor relative to my parent |
| 13:52.14 | Mikk1 | Which is unnamed |
| 13:52.23 | Mikk1 | I have no problem getting hold of it from the Lua code |
| 13:52.33 | Mikk1 | But how the hell do i describe it in the table? |
| 13:54.17 | Mikk1 | Preferably in some way that doesn't require the worker function to know all the places where I need to substitute in parents |
| 13:54.51 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:55.21 | Wobin | maybe your table needs a metamethod to store the parent? |
| 13:55.47 | Mikk1 | remember that the table is an SV |
| 13:55.59 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:56.09 | Mikk1 | like i said, getting hold of it in lua is not a problem |
| 13:56.10 | Wobin | and we don't want to fiddle with it on load |
| 13:56.42 | Mikk1 | something that would work: running through arguments and replacing any argument that is "@parent" with the parent frame pointer |
| 13:56.53 | Wobin | aye |
| 13:57.22 | Mikk1 | or perhaps "&parent" to be C =) |
| 13:58.14 | Mikk1 | bah i'll go with that for now |
| 14:08.12 | Mikk1 | Dear lord, pastebin.ca rocks |
| 14:08.21 | Mikk1 | It keeps full version history of the paste and can provide diffs and shit |
| 14:08.35 | Mikk1 | Even does branching |
| 14:23.57 | Atreo | I'm trying to create a target frame, that retains the class Icon and changes per class, in the the xml so far i've got it showing the list of all class icons, how do I get it to show only the single icon |
| 14:30.13 | Mikk1 | paste us the xml at http://pastebin.ca |
| 14:31.22 | Atreo | k, its a modification of the standard ArcHUD do you need the full xml or just that associated with what i'm editing? |
| 14:32.50 | Mikk1 | probably just what you're editing |
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| 14:33.02 | JoshBorke | morning cide |
| 14:33.05 | Mikk1 | morning cide |
| 14:34.36 | Atreo | http://pastebin.ca/82449 includes the target frame with my modifications |
| 14:35.12 | Atreo | i am working with the texture line at the end, I'm not sure how to make it update per class |
| 14:35.31 | Atreo | line 92 |
| 14:35.58 | Mikk1 | Ah ok you're using that one |
| 14:36.07 | Mikk1 | just a sec |
| 14:36.26 | Mikk1 | You want to look at http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Texture_SetTexCoord |
| 14:38.22 | Wobin | there also may be a Blizzard function that does the setcoord for you |
| 14:38.27 | Wobin | I know the RaidIcons do |
| 14:38.40 | Wobin | but you'll have to look for it in the FrameXML data |
| 14:38.59 | Mikk1 | Wobin: Not necessarily. It'd be in GlueXML. |
| 14:39.13 | Mikk1 | I don't think that icon set gets used outside of glue |
| 14:39.25 | Mikk1 | Can't remember seeing it anywhere else, either way |
| 14:39.53 | Atreo | I see what you mean, but beyond setting the texture's location will that adjust what icon is shown if i'm facing a hunter/warrior/druid etc...? |
| 14:40.03 | Mikk1 | Hell no |
| 14:40.08 | Mikk1 | You'll need to code the Lua for that youself |
| 14:40.26 | Mikk1 | What that function does is simply cut out a specific part of the texture to display |
| 14:40.27 | Atreo | and i'm definately down for doing that, i'm just unsure of how to proceed |
| 14:40.35 | Mikk1 | You'll have to add code that: |
| 14:40.43 | Mikk1 | 1. triggers on target change (probably in there already somewhere) |
| 14:40.47 | Mikk1 | 2. figures out the class |
| 14:40.56 | JoshBorke | is there an event that is triggered when you leave a group? |
| 14:41.00 | Mikk1 | 3. changes the TexCoord appropriately so that the right bit of the texture is showing |
| 14:41.27 | Mikk1 | JoshBorke: Dig in unitframes.lua, it should have it |
| 14:41.34 | Atreo | ah then thats what i need to be working on |
| 14:43.08 | Wobin | Have a look at the targetframe.lua and see how that deals with the coord change |
| 14:43.42 | Atreo | thanks much wobin! |
| 14:44.01 | Wobin | np =) |
| 14:44.24 | Atreo | Mikk if I can continue to pick you brain, After I add my function to the lua in the texture tag how would I go about calling it? |
| 14:44.35 | Atreo | if i named my fuction TargetIcon |
| 14:45.03 | Mikk1 | you should find wherever ArcHUD detects target change |
| 14:45.13 | Mikk1 | since it's already doing that to change the health bars and buffs and whatever |
| 14:45.17 | Mikk1 | call your function from there |
| 14:45.31 | Mikk1 | And don't name it "TargetIcon". It's going to collide with some other addoni |
| 14:45.36 | Atreo | ah ok |
| 14:45.43 | Atreo | i'll come up with a unique name for it |
| 14:45.47 | Mikk1 | ArcHUD_UpdateClassIcon or something |
| 14:46.29 | Mikk1 | Wobin: parent["Create "..obj.type](parent, name, obj.layer, obj.inherits); |
| 14:46.33 | Mikk1 | I R TEH UGLIEST |
| 14:46.43 | Mikk1 | err no space after Create |
| 14:49.23 | Wobin | rofl |
| 14:49.45 | Wobin | local switch = self.k.Switch[FrameType] |
| 14:49.46 | Wobin | if( Parent and switch ) then |
| 14:49.46 | Wobin | if(type(Parent[switch]) == "function") then -- Just some insurance |
| 14:49.46 | Wobin | frame = Parent[switch](Parent) |
| 14:49.48 | JoshBorke | ...Mikk1, you ok? |
| 14:49.49 | Wobin | is my code =P |
| 14:50.14 | Mikk1 | That's ugly too but I win =) |
| 14:50.18 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:50.30 | Atreo | since i'll be setting it up for each frame, will i need an if/then for each class or is there a less messy way to do it? |
| 14:50.34 | Wobin | Well I'm using a table as a switch statement, so nyer =) |
| 14:50.41 | Atreo | er a change for each class |
| 14:51.15 | Wobin | have a function that takes in a class argument and sets the coords appropriately? |
| 14:52.22 | Wobin | Atreo: Actually, if you setup a table with say {Druid = {1,2,3,4}, Hunter= {3,4,5,6}} or whatever the coords are like |
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| 14:52.33 | Wobin | you can just use the class type as an index |
| 14:52.46 | Mikk1 | note that WoW uses uppercase class names internally |
| 14:52.50 | Mikk1 | so it'd be DRUID = { ...} |
| 14:53.35 | Mikk1 | unless you're using the wrong parameter, but then it'll blow to hell when german clients look for Jäger instead of Hunter |
| 14:53.35 | Mikk1 | =) |
| 14:53.46 | Atreo | I wish I could even feign being well versed enough to keep up so please forgive my naive questions... |
| 14:53.59 | Atreo | would I create the table in an xml document or a lua? |
| 14:54.22 | Wobin | in lua =) |
| 14:55.47 | Mikk1 | or in a <script> section in an XML file but that's silly |
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| 14:57.59 | Atreo | would you suggest a lua/xml editor better than notepad? doesn't have to be a single program |
| 14:58.10 | JoshBorke | vim =D |
| 14:58.14 | Wobin | EditPlus |
| 14:58.23 | Mikk1 | ignore josh |
| 14:58.25 | Wobin | (normally I'd say Vim, but he said he's new to coding =P) |
| 14:58.43 | Mikk1 | vim is edlin on steroids and should be put out of its misery |
| 14:59.32 | Wobin | vim is great |
| 14:59.37 | Wobin | emacs is silly |
| 14:59.48 | Cide | I typed out a reply here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=410959 for those who care |
| 14:59.51 | Mikk1 | i only know how to get out of emacs |
| 14:59.55 | Mikk1 | ctrl-z, kill %1 |
| 14:59.58 | Cide | and now I'm going afk, be back later! |
| 15:00.03 | wereHamster | is there a simple way to re-route all shift-clicks on items to my own edit-box? |
| 15:00.04 | JoshBorke | bye cide |
| 15:00.17 | Mikk1 | wereHamster: nope |
| 15:00.17 | wereHamster | I mean.. the item links should appean in my editbox |
| 15:00.19 | JoshBorke | nope |
| 15:00.29 | Mikk1 | Oh those |
| 15:00.41 | Mikk1 | You should be able to hook GameTooltip:SetItemRef() |
| 15:00.54 | Wobin | Cide: We're chatting about how to go about the channel names at the moment in wowace |
| 15:01.18 | Wobin | Cide: We're currently suggesting (for the guild channel at least) a truncated guildname + a checksum of the whole name |
| 15:01.23 | Wobin | Similar to what Sky suggests |
| 15:01.35 | Wobin | But he checksums the truncated (unspaced) name |
| 15:01.40 | Wobin | which could cause issues |
| 15:02.05 | wereHamster | a good design would be if slouken used a function that we could hook.. |
| 15:02.32 | Mikk1 | That'd be that one |
| 15:02.39 | Mikk1 | It won't work for mousing over game-world objects though |
| 15:02.50 | Mikk1 | You need to do lots more magic for that |
| 15:03.11 | Mikk1 | It should work for all cases where you can shift+click today though |
| 15:03.19 | Tain | Is there a way to list the current people in a channel? |
| 15:03.23 | Tain | In WoW. |
| 15:03.23 | Wobin | chatlist |
| 15:03.36 | Mikk1 | i dare you to do it on LookingForSpam |
| 15:03.46 | Tain | Ug. |
| 15:03.49 | wereHamster | Mikk1, I've written my own chatframe editbox.. and everything but the item links work.. |
| 15:04.28 | Mikk1 | hrms.. i know i saw that code somewhere |
| 15:05.28 | Mikk1 | ah there we go |
| 15:05.57 | Mikk1 | ItemRef.lua: function ItemRef() |
| 15:06.01 | Mikk1 | err SetItemRef() |
| 15:06.08 | Mikk1 | It does ChatFrameEditBox:Insert(text) |
| 15:06.32 | Mikk1 | So if you do ChatFrameEditBox = YourEditBox, it should Just Work(tm) |
| 15:07.07 | Mikk1 | Unless you want the old one to remain usable of course =) |
| 15:07.36 | Wobin | or hook the function |
| 15:08.20 | Mikk1 | I think you're going to find that there's dozens of mods that are going to bite you in the arse for doing your own from the ground up though |
| 15:09.14 | Wobin | oh man |
| 15:09.23 | Wobin | one thing I'm so looking forward to when I get home? |
| 15:09.27 | Wobin | Proper dessert |
| 15:09.33 | Wobin | I'd kill for a real Tiramisu =P |
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| 15:13.16 | JoshBorke | it's chatwho, not chatlist |
| 15:13.39 | Mikk1 | ehm correct |
| 15:13.54 | Mikk1 | funny, i was typing /chatlist as wobin hit enter, too. |
| 15:13.59 | Mikk1 | communal brain fart |
| 15:14.09 | Wobin | oops =) |
| 15:14.13 | zenzelezz | what is? I've been using /chatlist to see who's on a chat channel |
| 15:14.23 | JoshBorke | ah |
| 15:14.25 | zenzelezz | is that only for "private" channels? |
| 15:14.34 | JoshBorke | i see now |
| 15:14.36 | Mikk1 | ohwait you need to give them a channel name |
| 15:14.38 | JoshBorke | chatlist will list your channels |
| 15:14.44 | JoshBorke | unless you give it a name =D |
| 15:14.49 | JoshBorke | then it'll list who is in the channel |
| 15:14.50 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 15:15.08 | Mikk1 | mostly at myself for letting you fool me =) |
| 15:15.25 | JoshBorke | not my fault you're gullible |
| 15:15.31 | Mikk1 | haha no =) |
| 15:20.34 | Tain | I had a Tiramisu martini yesterday, it was pretty tasty. |
| 15:20.47 | Mikk1 | ewrhm |
| 15:20.56 | Mikk1 | Make a macro: /dance, /sit, /dance, /sleep |
| 15:21.02 | Mikk1 | Stand up when you fire it |
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| 15:21.37 | Wobin | hax |
| 15:22.04 | Mikk1 | looks kinda funky if you tack on a /stand at the end too |
| 15:22.22 | Elessdy | what does it do? >_> i don't have an active account to try it on |
| 15:22.29 | Mikk1 | you dance lying down =) |
| 15:26.25 | Mikk1 | bah. that's what i get for editing in myDebug |
| 15:26.34 | Mikk1 | my wow shot to pieces and it's been ages since i reloaded to save the script =( |
| 15:28.07 | Mikk1 | I _really_ _really_ would like to see SVs saved somehow runtime |
| 15:28.14 | Mikk1 | Doesn't have to be to the real SV files |
| 15:28.51 | Mikk1 | Could be to some encrypted file or something |
| 15:28.53 | Mikk1 | Or, hell, dumped over to another process that survives when wow.exe crashes |
| 15:29.21 | Mikk1 | (Which could then proceed with saving stuff to file when it detects that wow.exe dies) |
| 15:35.31 | Atreo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.20 | wereHamster | 1:45h to huhuran and now 2 stupid wipes at the twins :-/ |
| 15:37.01 | Atreo | hate twins |
| 15:38.11 | Mikk1 | GROLSCH! |
| 15:38.34 | Mikk1 | This should make the heat a bit more bareable |
| 15:45.16 | zenzelezz | you're nude, aren't you |
| 15:45.24 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 15:45.28 | JoshBorke | please don't answer that |
| 15:46.04 | Mikk1 | heathen |
| 15:46.06 | Mikk1 | I HAVE GROLSCH! |
| 15:46.26 | zenzelezz | sounds like a disease |
| 15:46.35 | Mikk1 | what do you expect, it's dutch =P |
| 15:46.43 | Mikk1 | (goggle it btw =)) |
| 15:46.44 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 15:47.24 | Mikk1 | or i could just paste http://www.grolsch.com i suppose |
| 15:47.32 | Wobin | I always thought grolsch was german |
| 15:47.39 | Mikk1 | nope, dutch |
| 15:47.42 | Mikk1 | damn decent too |
| 15:47.44 | Wobin | well, there you go |
| 15:48.18 | Mikk1 | it's a bit silly but damn, there's nothing that beats it for hot days imo |
| 15:49.33 | Tain | Does anyone use meeting stones on any of your servers for instances? |
| 15:49.54 | Tain | I tried for the first time the last 2 days, left it on for hours while doing other things and nothing. |
| 15:50.08 | Shadowed | people use the meeting stone? |
| 15:50.21 | Mikk1 | no |
| 15:50.38 | Mikk1 | it's too random |
| 15:50.49 | Mikk1 | shame, really |
| 15:51.08 | Mikk1 | could have been done a lot better |
| 15:51.34 | Mikk1 | though the inherent problem with them is of course that you can't make group for anything but instances |
| 15:51.53 | Shadowed | can't choose who you group with or class either |
| 15:52.18 | Wobin | CTA is a better concept to build off |
| 15:53.12 | Tain | Ah class makeup of groups for instances is mostly overrated. |
| 15:53.22 | Tain | You don't need Priest, Warrior, to start every group. |
| 15:53.33 | Mikk1 | Rogue tank, paladin healer, nuking priest, nuking mage > scholo |
| 15:53.36 | JoshBorke | i agree |
| 15:53.45 | Mikk1 | Though that's really only fun if you have skilled players |
| 15:53.56 | Tain | If you don't have skilled players you're screwed no matter what. |
| 15:53.58 | Shadowed | i prefer 2h zerker tanking strat undead |
| 15:54.18 | Mikk1 | aye that's fun |
| 15:54.25 | Mikk1 | though my warlock tends to end up tanking it =( |
| 15:54.37 | Mikk1 | then again mobs die too fast to be any real problem ^^ |
| 15:54.44 | Shadowed | that was more fun before they "fixed" sweeping stikes though |
| 15:54.47 | Shadowed | s/stikes/strikes/ |
| 15:56.18 | Mikk1 | oh great |
| 15:56.35 | Mikk1 | it crashed writing my myDebug SV file, which contained Etch-A-Sketch |
| 15:56.43 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 15:57.30 | Mikk1 | slouken's fix is definitely broken |
| 15:59.03 | Wobin | I had fun on a rogue, mage, priest, hunter run of mara |
| 15:59.06 | Mikk1 | err no i take that back |
| 15:59.15 | Mikk1 | it seems that FAIAP is broken |
| 15:59.30 | Mikk1 | yep, it is |
| 16:00.20 | Mikk1 | cool, i get to send a bug report to krka |
| 16:06.52 | Shadowed | inconsistency with how Blizzard does some of the tooltips is becoming annoying -.- |
| 16:07.26 | Mikk1 | which inconsistency? |
| 16:07.35 | Shadowed | Battleground only items |
| 16:07.52 | Mikk1 | Ah you mean the actual texts |
| 16:07.55 | Shadowed | for the which battleground the item can be used in |
| 16:07.56 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 16:08.28 | Mikk1 | I thought it was going to be yet another complaint about GameTooltip:Set(blah) not getting called for world objects =) |
| 16:08.48 | Shadowed | naw, just about having to add 3 different cases for hem! |
| 16:08.51 | Shadowed | s/hem/them/ |
| 16:10.13 | Atreo | using the getGlobal("") what would i need to return a targets class? |
| 16:10.38 | Shadowed | UnitClass( "target" ); ? |
| 16:11.47 | Atreo | yeah thought about it after i typed it lol |
| 16:12.11 | Atreo | once i create a variable in the lua, can i call it by name in the xml? |
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| 16:15.20 | Kaso | Anyone seen this : http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-en&t=49381 i seem to be seeing the same thing, doing SetText() frequently causes wow.exe to increase in memory usage alot where as the GC time doesn't increase noticably |
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| 16:20.57 | Atreo | once i create a variable in the lua, can i call it by name in the xml? |
| 16:21.36 | zenzelezz | if the .lua is listed before the .xml in the .toc, yes |
| 16:23.57 | Atreo | can i create a variable in the xml? |
| 16:26.43 | Industrial | I need help with thise mob: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/mob.html?wmob=14682 |
| 16:26.46 | Industrial | He seems to be not spawning. I tried the official forums |
| 16:26.54 | Kaso | Indus |
| 16:26.58 | Industrial | I want those pants |
| 16:27.04 | Kaso | is the invasion over on your server? |
| 16:27.07 | Industrial | i NEED them |
| 16:27.08 | Industrial | yes |
| 16:27.14 | Kaso | then he's gone for good |
| 16:27.16 | Industrial | bah it was part of the invasion? |
| 16:27.20 | Industrial | :@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 16:27.24 | Industrial | grrrrr |
| 16:27.28 | Kaso | yup all the new bosses were |
| 16:27.35 | Industrial | thats so gay |
| 16:27.37 | Industrial | :( |
| 16:28.12 | Kaso | Atreo anything inside a <script> hanlder works exactly the same as anything in a lua file, as far as i know |
| 16:28.31 | Mikk1 | but you can't use lua variables outside of those |
| 16:28.48 | Kaso | oh? |
| 16:28.52 | Mikk1 | if you're trying to generate xml out of lua, you're doing something wrong |
| 16:28.58 | Mikk1 | Kaso: i'm agreeing with you |
| 16:29.02 | Cide | a script handler is basically a function closure, as far as I know |
| 16:29.07 | Mikk1 | it is |
| 16:29.16 | Mikk1 | it's a compiled block of lua code |
| 16:29.19 | Mikk1 | LoadString()ed |
| 16:30.16 | Cide | Industrial: get a few levels and get some new pants :) |
| 16:30.34 | Cide | unless you're making a BG twink or such... you're screwed if that's the case, sadly |
| 16:30.55 | Industrial | yes |
| 16:30.57 | Industrial | :( |
| 16:31.02 | Industrial | ooo http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=4323 |
| 16:31.04 | Industrial | shiney |
| 16:31.12 | Industrial | Cide: http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/templates/20-29/priest.html |
| 16:31.48 | Atreo | i'm just trying to take the function UnitClass("target"); and have it output into my xml inside the target frame |
| 16:32.02 | Mikk1 | not going to happen |
| 16:32.25 | Mikk1 | the xml is parsed on startup and then promptly forgotten about |
| 16:32.32 | Mikk1 | any live changes to what's shown has to happen from lua code |
| 16:32.58 | Kaso | Before i go out, im gonna spam this link one more time and ask perhaps if some US guys could investigate and if you see the same behavor perhaps wave it at a CM, cos its never going to be seen on the EU forums, Linky: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-en&ThreadID=49387 |
| 16:33.12 | Atreo | understood, but how do I create a variable to place in the xml that refers to the lua |
| 16:33.28 | Mikk1 | define "in the xml" |
| 16:33.36 | Atreo | i see where he is using $parentLevel, but i can't see where its being created |
| 16:34.19 | Mikk1 | on line 75 of your pastebin paste |
| 16:34.32 | Mikk1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.44 | Atreo | correct |
| 16:35.16 | Mikk1 | "$parentLevel" is not its name in Lua though |
| 16:35.31 | Mikk1 | it'll be ArcTargetHUDLevel |
| 16:35.40 | Mikk1 | and your icon will be ArcTargetHUDIcon |
| 16:35.51 | Atreo | ok so $parent refers to the lua? |
| 16:35.57 | Mikk1 | no |
| 16:36.10 | Mikk1 | it refers to the frame that your things live inside in the xml |
| 16:36.11 | JoshBorke | $parent is replaced by the name of the parent frame when the XML is parsed, correct Mikk1? |
| 16:36.15 | Mikk1 | yes |
| 16:36.28 | Atreo | ah i see |
| 16:36.34 | Mikk1 | it happens on xml parse. you never see "$parent" in your lua code |
| 16:36.48 | Mikk1 | you could run around and replace "$parent" by "ArcTargetHUD" in that file and it'd work the same |
| 16:37.11 | Atreo | so when i look for it is defined in the lua i need to look for ArcTargetHUDLevel thank you! |
| 16:39.54 | Industrial | Cide: maybe something for ctprofiles (I assume its yours), a shopping list for your character :P |
| 16:40.11 | Cide | that is, "Wish List" profile? ;) |
| 16:40.41 | Industrial | yes |
| 16:40.42 | Industrial | :P |
| 16:41.09 | Cide | go ahead and use that one, then :) |
| 16:41.18 | Industrial | its already there? |
| 16:41.21 | Industrial | o_O |
| 16:41.47 | Cide | yes |
| 16:42.23 | Industrial | ack |
| 16:48.00 | JoshBorke | morning Cairenn |
| 16:48.08 | Cairenn | hi |
| 16:48.27 | Mikk1 | Cairenn: http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_FAQ done i think |
| 16:48.30 | Mikk1 | all sections |
| 16:49.07 | Mikk1 | i have some ideas on automagically forumizing the wikitext too |
| 16:49.12 | Shadowed | "I want an aggro meter!" Doesn't the KLT threat thing technically count? |
| 16:49.16 | Cairenn | cool! thanks Mikk1 |
| 16:49.44 | Shadowed | not that i'm not complaining that it's not mentioned |
| 16:49.45 | Mikk1 | i tried that when i first saw it too but cair wouldn't bite =) |
| 16:49.57 | Shadowed | can't blame her! |
| 16:55.50 | Cairenn | god I hate people :p |
| 16:56.19 | Shadowed | what'd they do now? |
| 16:56.34 | Cairenn | they're still breathing, that is MORE than enough :p |
| 16:56.35 | Wobin | Stupid things, duh! =) |
| 16:56.52 | Shadowed | Try leading people in PvP, you'll hate them even more :p |
| 16:57.13 | Cairenn | no thanks, I've done the cat herding thing already, thanks |
| 16:57.35 | Shadowed | haha |
| 16:57.39 | Tem | oh man |
| 16:57.45 | Tem | pvp leading is the worst |
| 16:57.51 | Shadowed | "Nooo we don't need to push for the Relief hut" |
| 16:57.54 | Shadowed | *10 minutes later* |
| 16:57.56 | Tem | especially when you have people that aren't good at pvp |
| 16:57.57 | Shadowed | "The Horde win!" |
| 16:58.15 | Tem | it's worse in WSG |
| 16:58.19 | Shadowed | naw |
| 16:58.26 | Tem | ya |
| 16:58.27 | Mikk1 | Wobin: http://pastebin.ca/82529 <-- worky! |
| 16:58.33 | Mikk1 | Textures and all =) |
| 16:58.37 | Shadowed | You can pull off a win with 2-4 in WSG sometimes depending who you're against |
| 16:58.40 | Tem | because mistakes are most costly |
| 16:58.41 | Mikk1 | And pulling virtuals and whatnot |
| 16:58.52 | Shadowed | In AV it takes more smart people or stupid people who listen to smart people to win |
| 16:59.19 | Shadowed | So while it's more costly to make a mistake in WSG, it also takes less to win then an AV |
| 16:59.50 | Wobin | Mikk1: Brilliant =) |
| 17:00.10 | Shadowed | Like right now, 3 of us just went for relief hut while the rest of the team is trying to get the damn captain :/ |
| 17:15.46 | Wobin | night all |
| 17:16.25 | JoshBorke | night wobin |
| 17:16.36 | Cairenn | sweet dreams Wobin |
| 17:18.00 | Shadowed | arg |
| 17:18.11 | Shadowed | damn alliance |
| 17:23.04 | JoshBorke | FINALLY! |
| 17:23.07 | JoshBorke | friggin horde |
| 17:23.42 | Mikk1 | night all? |
| 17:24.04 | Mikk1 | Chinaish? |
| 17:24.05 | JoshBorke | ( Mikk1 ): it's always late when we leave |
| 17:24.11 | Wobin | Yep |
| 17:24.18 | Wobin | But only for a couple more days |
| 17:24.25 | Wobin | I've been in Beijing for the last year or so |
| 17:24.26 | JoshBorke | what time is it there? |
| 17:24.33 | Wobin | But I'm heading back to Sydney on Monday |
| 17:24.38 | Wobin | 1:24am atm |
| 17:24.39 | Mikk1 | 4:20 iirc |
| 17:24.40 | Mikk1 | ehm |
| 17:24.47 | JoshBorke | lol mikk |
| 17:24.49 | Mikk1 | CET+6? |
| 17:24.59 | Wobin | +10 gmt? |
| 17:25.05 | Mikk1 | wtf |
| 17:25.23 | Mikk1 | CET is currently GMT+2 |
| 17:25.45 | Mikk1 | (CET = 19:22 now) |
| 17:26.29 | zenzelezz | ~27 |
| 17:26.56 | Mikk1 | ok, +6 |
| 17:27.07 | Mikk1 | ohyeah. i was remembering japan. |
| 17:27.16 | Wobin | ah, sorry +8 |
| 17:27.26 | Wobin | +10 is sydney |
| 17:27.30 | Wobin | I get them confused |
| 17:27.44 | Mikk1 | i see how you could do that. they're so much alike when you look at the window |
| 17:27.45 | Mikk1 | =P |
| 17:27.49 | Wobin | hehe |
| 17:28.31 | Atreo | if i create a variable starting with self it is limited to the scope of that addon right? |
| 17:28.38 | Atreo | self. that is |
| 17:28.46 | Mikk1 | no |
| 17:29.09 | Mikk1 | i you create a variable with "local something", it is limited to the scope of the current function (or file) |
| 17:29.14 | Atreo | self.TargetHUD.Class = getglobal(self.TargetHUD.frame .."Class"); |
| 17:29.38 | Atreo | i'm trying to create a variable ArcTargetHUDClass |
| 17:29.40 | Mikk1 | "self" is something that gets automatically passed in when you do SometTable:SomeMethod(foo) |
| 17:29.43 | Atreo | based on what they've alreayd created |
| 17:29.55 | Atreo | doesn't seem to be working though |
| 17:29.55 | Mikk1 | in my example, "self" would be pointing at "SomeTable" |
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| 17:38.06 | Mikk1 | Ok.. some input.. I'm creating a frame with CreateFrame("Frame", "Foo"). Now assume I already had a table lying around with methods, like Foo:OnUpdate() that I want to map scripts to |
| 17:38.24 | Mikk1 | In this situation, CreateFrame won't overwrite the original table (as of 1.11) |
| 17:38.40 | Mikk1 | How evil would it be of me to just copy over the contents of the new object and its metatable? |
| 17:42.05 | Mikk1 | Bah =P |
| 17:42.28 | JoshBorke | no idea what you're talking about :-) |
| 17:43.10 | Mikk1 | Who stole Iriel and Lego? |
| 17:44.43 | Cairenn | the weekend |
| 17:45.00 | Mikk1 | ! |
| 17:45.18 | Mikk1 | Does not compute |
| 17:51.54 | JoshBorke | *yawn* |
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| 17:59.31 | Shadowed | So how would you get the Use: text and the yellow flavor ( is that what they call it? ) text from a tooltip of an item? |
| 17:59.31 | JoshBorke | wb Kaelten |
| 17:59.40 | Kaelten | hows it goin? |
| 18:00.11 | Mikk1 | Shadowed: http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_GameTooltip |
| 18:03.00 | Shadowed | Yeah I know the tooltip stuff, can't seem to figure out why it wont get the actual text though |
| 18:03.06 | Mikk1 | CreateFrame() causes OnLoad in inherited stuff to fire, yes? |
| 18:03.43 | Shadowed | ...probably because the slot i'm passing is nil! |
| 18:03.49 | Mikk1 | roflskates |
| 18:04.01 | Shadowed | well that explains why nothing was working |
| 18:05.57 | JoshBorke | ( Mikk1 ): don't think so |
| 18:06.09 | JoshBorke | ( Mikk1 ): do CreateFrame frames get an onload? |
| 18:06.09 | Mikk1 | no? |
| 18:06.22 | Mikk1 | not the raw frame itself |
| 18:06.30 | Mikk1 | since you haven't had a chance to SetScript() it yet |
| 18:06.37 | JoshBorke | i see what you're saying |
| 18:06.38 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 18:06.53 | Mikk1 | nm, i worked around it so it doesn't matter |
| 18:09.59 | Mikk1 | If anyone's interested: The easier way of creating frames from Lua: http://pastebin.ca/82568 <-- does event handlers and everything (including firing OnLoad() for you!) |
| 18:10.10 | Mikk1 | Now to code an in-game editor that uses those tables =) |
| 18:10.47 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 18:11.03 | Shadowed | the yellow item text isn't on the left or TextRight or TextLeft |
| 18:12.18 | Shadowed | s/left or/TextRight or TextLeft/ |
| 18:21.39 | Cide | CreateFrame()'d frames get OnLoad if the inherited frame has one, yes |
| 18:22.29 | Cide | s/frame(s| )/object\1/ |
| 18:22.39 | Cide | I failed. |
| 18:22.52 | Cide | CreateFrame()'d objects get OnLoad if the inherited object has one, yes* |
| 18:23.46 | Mikk1 | frame was right =) |
| 18:24.51 | Mikk1 | frames, frame, ... |
| 18:24.55 | Mikk1 | s/frame/object/ |
| 18:25.00 | Mikk1 | oho |
| 18:25.08 | Mikk1 | frames, frame |
| 18:25.12 | Mikk1 | s/frame/object/g |
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| 18:26.09 | Cide | abcdefg |
| 18:26.28 | Cide | s/[aceg]/!/ |
| 18:26.46 | Cide | I thought it was regexp? |
| 18:29.17 | Tem | it sorta is |
| 18:29.20 | Tem | just not complete |
| 18:30.36 | Mikk1 | let's not have the "what's a regexp?" debate again please =) |
| 18:31.14 | Cide | [] should exist in any remotely complete regexp implementation :) |
| 18:32.32 | Mikk1 | testing |
| 18:32.37 | Mikk1 | s/test/&123/ |
| 18:32.58 | Mikk1 | testing |
| 18:33.03 | Mikk1 | s/test/\0ing/ |
| 18:33.09 | Mikk1 | nope |
| 18:33.24 | Mikk1 | s/nope/\&blah/ |
| 18:33.34 | Mikk1 | meh |
| 18:33.41 | Mikk1 | s/meh/{}foo/ |
| 18:33.47 | Mikk1 | veeeeery basic =) |
| 18:34.16 | Mikk1 | that's what we call a string substitution |
| 18:35.25 | Tem | it just mostly looks like a regex |
| 18:36.03 | Mikk1 | nah, looks like sed syntax |
| 18:36.06 | Mikk1 | regexpless |
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| 19:32.56 | Mikk1 | Hehe. Gogo Lua string packing. |
| 19:33.17 | Mikk1 | From a listing of every damn .blp in the interface (220kb), I've got a 40KB file listing in luaspace =) |
| 19:37.33 | Mikk1 | ~whaleslap Kirkburn |
| 19:37.36 | purl | ACTION beats Kirkburn upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:37.54 | Kirkburn | ~whaleblock Mikk1 |
| 19:37.55 | purl | ACTION shields Mikk1 with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 19:38.03 | Mikk1 | muahya |
| 19:38.25 | Mikk1 | ~whaleparry Kirkburn |
| 19:38.26 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Kirkburn's attacks. |
| 19:38.46 | Kirkburn | I never attacked you :( |
| 19:38.52 | Mikk1 | pre-emptive action =) |
| 19:39.07 | Mikk1 | Anyway.. that was because I'm making an in-game UI editor |
| 19:39.13 | Mikk1 | And of course I need a texture browser =) |
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| 19:49.11 | sweede | i got a quick question, i'd like to modify an addon that i have, that when i have the loot box window open with items in it, if i alt + left click on an item, it calls a function that at least has the lootslot index avialable... |
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| 19:51.01 | Mikk1 | mkay. that's easy so far. |
| 19:51.07 | sweede | hgeh |
| 19:51.17 | Mikk1 | though you're not saying what you want to do and what the addon you have is. |
| 19:51.22 | Mikk1 | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 19:51.34 | sweede | i hav ean addon that before you'd do like , /ai [itemlink] , and it would start an auction for that item.. |
| 19:51.46 | sweede | i think itd be cooler to be able to alt+left click on teh item, and have it start that way. |
| 19:52.15 | Mikk1 | that's not from a loot box then i take it |
| 19:52.22 | Mikk1 | it's hard to loot mobs while having the auction UI open |
| 19:52.23 | sweede | no, /ai foo is from the edit box |
| 19:52.41 | sweede | no no... auction does not mean auction house.. |
| 19:52.43 | Mikk1 | or do you mean DKP bidding? |
| 19:52.48 | sweede | ya |
| 19:53.04 | Wobin | wow |
| 19:53.17 | Mikk1 | mkay. this is very very easy. |
| 19:53.17 | Wobin | If there's one thing Beijing can do really really well, it's storms |
| 19:53.23 | Mikk1 | if you know how to code Lua |
| 19:53.24 | Mikk1 | do you? |
| 19:53.29 | sweede | hehe somewhat :) |
| 19:53.42 | sweede | i havent learned the new style of making frames though, so my addons still have the .xml files |
| 19:53.49 | Wobin | I've -never- seen a place where there is constant thunder/lighting strikes every 5 seconds for over half an hour |
| 19:54.49 | Mikk1 | What you want to do is hook LootFrameItem_OnClick(button) |
| 19:54.55 | Mikk1 | And test for IsAltKeyDown() |
| 19:55.18 | sweede | LootFrameItem_OnClick(), sweet.. |
| 19:55.51 | sweede | i guess had i asked "is there a method to hook actions in the loot frame", you could of answered it right away huh ? |
| 19:56.02 | Mikk1 | aye =) |
| 19:56.35 | Mikk1 | You probably want to do something like GetLootSlotItemLink(LootFrame.selectedSlot) in there somewhere to get the link |
| 19:56.41 | Mikk1 | so you can feed it to whatever /ai is calling |
| 19:56.58 | Cide | sweede: there's definitely a place for XML still |
| 19:57.15 | sweede | man, after seeing the new nurfed UI, i was like "zomg !" |
| 19:57.56 | Mikk1 | Cide: there won't be in a few days =P |
| 19:58.19 | Mikk1 | Didya check out http://pastebin.ca/82568 ? =) |
| 19:59.34 | sweede | man, Mikk1 you just totally made me feel retarded, hehe.. |
| 19:59.41 | Mikk1 | nah |
| 19:59.48 | Mikk1 | stop it, it's an order =P |
| 19:59.50 | sweede | now though i just need to get the ID of the item that the mouse is over.. |
| 20:00.05 | Mikk1 | You probably want to do something like GetLootSlotItemLink(LootFrame.selectedSlot) in there somewhere to get the link |
| 20:01.40 | sweede | hmmm... |
| 20:02.15 | sweede | isnt there like, a way to tell the name of the frame.object/id whatever that the mouse is over ? |
| 20:02.49 | Mikk1 | Hovering over or clicking? |
| 20:02.50 | Mikk1 | Clicking is easy |
| 20:02.53 | Mikk1 | Hovering is possible but takes work |
| 20:02.55 | sweede | when i click. |
| 20:03.06 | Mikk1 | You want the function I said |
| 20:03.21 | sweede | i get an error with the get loot slot item link method. |
| 20:03.26 | sweede | let me not be a noob here, one sec.. |
| 20:03.29 | Mikk1 | erhm let me double check |
| 20:03.51 | Mikk1 | Bah. GetLootSlotLink |
| 20:03.58 | Mikk1 | Pardon, was working from memory |
| 20:05.13 | sweede | hmm.... |
| 20:05.39 | sweede | says that lootName = GetLootSlotLink(LootFrame.selectedSlot); is incorrect usage :( |
| 20:07.32 | sweede | hmm... |
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| 20:10.35 | sweede | there was a way to get the name of the frame that the mouse was over when you ran kthe script, anyone remmeber what it was ? |
| 20:10.56 | Shadowed | Devtools? |
| 20:11.05 | sweede | o? |
| 20:11.20 | Wobin | ~devtools |
| 20:11.25 | purl | rumour has it, devtools is Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 |
| 20:11.33 | Shadowed | purl beat me to it! |
| 20:11.35 | purl | ACTION beats me to it! with a wetfish |
| 20:11.36 | Wobin | dtframestack |
| 20:11.46 | Cairenn | ROFL purl |
| 20:11.57 | Shadowed | i don't like that bot anymore |
| 20:12.04 | Shadowed | ~botslap |
| 20:12.06 | purl | Hey what was that for, shadowed? |
| 20:14.10 | Wobin | hehe |
| 20:14.18 | Wobin | purl's getting mouthy =) |
| 20:15.17 | Cairenn | *waits for someone to say it* |
| 20:16.31 | Shadowed | going to be waiting a long time it looks like |
| 20:16.46 | Cairenn | apparently so |
| 20:16.55 | Cairenn | and thus, I'll say it |
| 20:16.57 | Cairenn | purl sucks |
| 20:16.58 | purl | For $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 20:17.02 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 20:21.53 | Mikk1 | sweede: Were you clicking money when that call failed by any chance? |
| 20:21.57 | Mikk1 | Money isn't an item |
| 20:22.28 | Kirkburn | Wobin, take some piccies! |
| 20:22.44 | Wobin | I wish I had a camera with a fast enough shutter speed =) |
| 20:22.55 | Tem | ROFL Shadowed |
| 20:23.00 | Wobin | It's some brilliant shots |
| 20:23.01 | Kirkburn | Well, if it's striking that much, you probably needn't worry :P |
| 20:23.32 | Kirkburn | You'll get 10 in the same photo :P |
| 20:25.52 | Mikk1 | purl beat Shadowed |
| 20:25.54 | purl | ACTION beats Shadowed with a wetfish |
| 20:26.18 | Shadowed | we need a new bot that doesn't talk back |
| 20:26.45 | Mikk1 | purl, no, beat is <action>beats $1 with a dripping-wet and less-than-fresh fish. |
| 20:26.47 | purl | Mikk1: okay |
| 20:26.52 | Mikk1 | purl, beat Shadowed |
| 20:26.53 | purl | ACTION beats Shadowed with a wetfish |
| 20:26.59 | Mikk1 | wtf |
| 20:27.05 | Mikk1 | purl, no, beat $1 is <action>beats $1 with a dripping-wet and less-than-fresh fish. |
| 20:27.06 | purl | Mikk1: okay |
| 20:27.06 | Shadowed | purl beat Mikk1! |
| 20:27.08 | purl | ACTION beats Mikk1! with a dripping-wet and less-than-fresh fish. |
| 20:27.12 | Mikk1 | argh! |
| 20:27.28 | Mikk1 | purl, forget beat |
| 20:27.28 | purl | i forgot beat, Mikk1 |
| 20:27.53 | Shadowed | purl slap Mikk1 |
| 20:27.54 | purl | ACTION slaps Mikk1, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:28.36 | Mikk1 | purl, bugger $1is <action>grabs hold of the Eiffel tower, dips it in Tabasco and fresh metal shavings, and asks $1 to please bend over. |
| 20:28.42 | Mikk1 | purl, bugger Shadowed |
| 20:28.50 | Mikk1 | purl, bugger $1 is <action>grabs hold of the Eiffel tower, dips it in Tabasco and fresh metal shavings, and asks $1 to please bend over. |
| 20:28.51 | purl | okay, Mikk1 |
| 20:28.57 | Cairenn | EWWWWW |
| 20:29.00 | Shadowed | purl doesn't like you apparently |
| 20:29.02 | Cairenn | guys! |
| 20:29.10 | Shadowed | Mikk1 started it! |
| 20:29.43 | Mikk1 | purl, no, bugger $1 is <action> grabs hold of the Eiffel tower, dips it in Tabasco and fresh metal shavings, and asks $1 to please bend over. |
| 20:29.45 | purl | okay, Mikk1 |
| 20:30.02 | Mikk1 | works now =) |
| 20:30.15 | Atreo | O.o |
| 20:30.25 | Shadowed | I'd worry more about what Cairenn is going to do to you then if purl works |
| 20:30.35 | Mikk1 | uhoh |
| 20:31.14 | Cide | purl buggre Cairenn |
| 20:31.15 | Cide | whoops, typo! |
| 20:31.21 | Cairenn | ... |
| 20:31.24 | Cide | sorry :( |
| 20:32.56 | Mikk1 | On the internet, men are boys, women are boys, and horny 14-year-olds are FBI agents. |
| 20:33.21 | Atreo | but some of the women are actually men |
| 20:33.23 | Cide | "women" are boys |
| 20:33.32 | Shadowed | It's closer to 50/50 chance of women being boys |
| 20:33.37 | Shadowed | On WoW it's like 90% chance |
| 20:34.05 | Atreo | eh we tend to follow the policy, male until proven otherwise |
| 20:34.06 | Wobin | And the other 10% are really "the guy's girlfriend on Vent pretending to be them" |
| 20:34.22 | Shadowed | haha |
| 20:35.05 | Shadowed | Thats why the trick is to join a guild that doesn't use vent, easier to fake it |
| 20:35.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge gnorlish (n=jaydee@ny-lackawannacadent4-chtwga3b-b-121.buf.adelphia.net) |
| 20:35.22 | Atreo | i don't wanna be part of a guild not using vent! |
| 20:35.28 | Atreo | typing is so outdated... |
| 20:35.46 | Shadowed | current raiding guild doesn't use vent for anything |
| 20:35.53 | Shadowed | it's not as fun if you can't hear the raid leader swearing at people :( |
| 20:36.16 | cladhaire | Did anyone go to the Ravnica pre-release today? |
| 20:36.21 | Wobin | ~moredots |
| 20:36.22 | purl | More dots, more dots, throw more dots! Okay, stop dots! |
| 20:36.25 | Cairenn | cladhaire: will you please tell these people I'm actually female :p |
| 20:36.25 | Mikk1 | listening to the tanks swearing at healers gets old fast though =P |
| 20:36.32 | cladhaire | err COldsnap, not Ravnica |
| 20:36.39 | Wobin | ~moredots |
| 20:36.40 | purl | You lose fifty DKP again, because you didn't know what he f*ck to do! |
| 20:36.42 | Shadowed | wasn't debating that you wern't Cairenn |
| 20:36.43 | cladhaire | Cairenn is most definitely 100% female. |
| 20:37.00 | Wobin | That's a very precise answer =) |
| 20:39.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@adsl-68-127-180-115.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 20:39.28 | Cide | judging from the photos, I would have to agree. |
| 20:39.36 | Cide | but one can never be too sure, photos can be faked! |
| 20:39.53 | Shadowed | or you can google for a photo and say you're that person |
| 20:39.55 | Cairenn | either that or I'm one hell of a transvestite |
| 20:40.26 | Cairenn | Shadowed: there are photos of me at BlizzCon :p |
| 20:40.51 | Shadowed | Photoshop! |
| 20:41.49 | Shadowed | Those were the first picture i'd seen of you anyway, we're the BlizzCon ones :p |
| 20:42.46 | Cairenn | those were the first pictures *anyone* in the modding community saw of me |
| 20:43.51 | Wobin | what, even from before your Wow involvement? |
| 20:43.56 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 20:44.27 | Cairenn | Wobin: yup |
| 20:44.51 | Wobin | Wow =) |
| 20:45.10 | Cairenn | 5+ years, no one knew what I looked like |
| 20:45.39 | Kirov | Not even yourself!? |
| 20:46.01 | Cairenn | :p |
| 20:49.15 | Kirkburn | MoonWolf, make up your mind! |
| 20:49.24 | Shadowed | How did you manage to go that long without posting a picture? :p |
| 20:49.57 | Cairenn | If I'd had my way, there wouldn't have been any pictures of me from BlizzCon either, so ... |
| 20:50.16 | Mikk1 | Hah. Last time I had a picture of me posted on the net was like 8 years ago |
| 20:50.21 | Kirkburn | I think most people can refrain from posting a picture of themselves if they're not 12 years old |
| 20:50.38 | MoonWolf | Kirkburn, moonwolf defintly moonwolf... wait suntiger is cool too. |
| 20:50.44 | Mikk1 | And that was because the CEO had the great idea that all the staff of our then-quite-small company should have their pictures up on our web site >.< |
| 20:51.00 | Kirkburn | You must have problems at dusk and dawn MoonWolf :P |
| 20:51.05 | Shadowed | slouken was part of an elaborate plan to get your picture Cairenn |
| 20:51.20 | MoonWolf | Kirkburn, yes , big problems. |
| 20:51.47 | Cairenn | you can't actually tell it from them, but the first couple pictures they were actually physically holding me in place |
| 20:51.56 | MoonWolf | ROFL |
| 20:51.56 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 20:51.59 | Shadowed | haha |
| 20:51.59 | Kirkburn | BlizzCon was the elaborate plan, actually :P |
| 20:52.11 | Cairenn | I HATE having my picture taken |
| 20:52.25 | Kirkburn | Feet nailed to the ground too, I bet |
| 20:52.26 | MoonWolf | you and half the world Cairenn |
| 20:52.32 | MoonWolf | you should try getting a picture of my mom |
| 20:52.37 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: damn near |
| 20:52.52 | MoonWolf | I swear I have no pictures of my mom simply because she refuses to have them taken. |
| 20:52.57 | Shadowed | It couldn't have been *that* bad |
| 20:53.25 | Dolby-wowi | I cant understand why Cairenn |
| 20:53.30 | Cairenn | Jim (Kudane) had to pry my arms free from around a wrought iron railing, pick me up and carry me over where he plunked me down and they all held me in place for the photo |
| 20:53.36 | Kirkburn | I've yet to see a pic of Tseric |
| 20:53.48 | Cairenn | and you, Dolby dearest, were just as bloody guilty! |
| 20:53.52 | MoonWolf | I want pics of thundgot. |
| 20:53.52 | Shadowed | Cairenn: I'm not sure if you're serious or not |
| 20:53.58 | Dolby-wowi | now me, I'm ugly so it makes sense I don't want my picture taken |
| 20:54.13 | Kirkburn | Aren't there pics of thundy from the Norwegian event? |
| 20:54.17 | Dolby-wowi | doesn't make sense for you not to want your picture taken |
| 20:54.41 | Kirkburn | Cameras break upon exposure, eh? =) |
| 20:55.17 | Kirkburn | You can't even compliment her :/ |
| 20:55.27 | Shadowed | Well you can, she just doesn't like it |
| 20:55.45 | Shadowed | risk of injury! |
| 20:55.53 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.08 | Mikk1 | haha nice one kirkburn =P |
| 20:56.23 | Cairenn | :ppp Kirkburn |
| 20:56.34 | Shadowed | looks like you're off the hook Mikk1 |
| 20:56.58 | Kirkburn | That's what she wants him to think ... |
| 20:57.33 | Cairenn | lol Cide |
| 20:57.35 | MoonWolf | rofl |
| 20:57.42 | Cide | I feel stupid every time I go through our site submissions |
| 20:58.25 | Cide | or rather, I feel even more stupid after every time I've gone through our site submissions |
| 20:58.37 | Kirkburn | I noticed =) |
| 20:58.56 | Shadowed | anything new, or the usual stuff? |
| 20:59.19 | Kirov | "zomg it's broken! fix it!" |
| 20:59.23 | Dolby-wowi | Do you see any reason why Cairenn should not like her picture taken? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=329 |
| 20:59.50 | Cide | I got blamed for not implementing a way to change one's hair in a "baber shop" as the user called it |
| 20:59.50 | Cairenn | I swear, I'm taking them back down :p |
| 20:59.51 | Shadowed | i refuse to answer on the grounds that i'd get hurt |
| 21:01.01 | Kirov | slouken didn't get a special shirt? |
| 21:01.01 | Dolby-wowi | its from this thread http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2320 |
| 21:01.03 | Shadowed | the one with just Cairenn and Slouken was better |
| 21:01.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn1 (n=George@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 21:01.32 | Cairenn | there's only one semi-acceptable picture out of the whole lot :p |
| 21:01.38 | Kirkburn1 | Apparently my router decided I shouldn't answer your question Dolby :) |
| 21:01.40 | Dolby-wowi | this one cair? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=284 |
| 21:01.51 | Cairenn | dolby, enough! |
| 21:01.53 | MoonWolf | oh god. |
| 21:01.55 | Cairenn | I'm going to hurt you |
| 21:01.57 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:01.58 | Mikk1 | hahaha |
| 21:02.00 | Dolby-wowi | sorry :( |
| 21:02.00 | Shadowed | haha |
| 21:02.01 | MoonWolf | how did you get her to do that ? |
| 21:02.06 | MoonWolf | alcohol ? |
| 21:02.19 | MoonWolf | superglue ? |
| 21:02.22 | Cairenn | Iriel is to blame for that one :p |
| 21:02.30 | Kirkburn1 | Her avatar is like that, it's obviously how she always sits |
| 21:02.41 | Mikk1 | Cide: errrrrr? |
| 21:02.48 | Cide | errrrrrrrrr? |
| 21:02.55 | Kirkburn1 | ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm? |
| 21:02.55 | Shadowed | Was posing for a new avatar maybe? |
| 21:03.34 | Dolby-wowi | I was tempted to cut it out in photoshop and replace cairenns avatar with the picture |
| 21:03.39 | Dolby-wowi | but I'd be killed |
| 21:04.02 | Kirov | "great pain and suffering!" |
| 21:04.11 | MoonWolf | quick, priests, chain heal Dolby-wowi . Dolby-wowi gogogo. |
| 21:04.15 | Shadowed | it would be worth it |
| 21:04.29 | Mikk1 | aye, we can sacrifice Dolby for the greater good |
| 21:04.49 | Dolby-wowi | lol |
| 21:05.09 | Cairenn | lalala |
| 21:05.37 | Shadowed | would have to wait for a time when she wont be near a computer for over 5 hours though, maybe kind of hard |
| 21:06.02 | MoonWolf | we could blackout all of canada |
| 21:06.09 | MoonWolf | that way she can't check it at some other place. |
| 21:06.16 | Kirkburn1 | brb |
| 21:06.45 | Shadowed | how did Iriel manage to get you to do that though? :p |
| 21:06.56 | Cairenn | he asked nicely, and it's Iriel |
| 21:07.29 | Cairenn | besides which, you can't prove it, now |
| 21:07.38 | Mikk1 | uhoh |
| 21:07.49 | Shadowed | well, i can still save this chat log and the picture |
| 21:08.00 | Shadowed | i guess that would count as proof! |
| 21:08.14 | Cairenn | photoshop :p |
| 21:08.18 | Kirov | google cache ftw? |
| 21:08.25 | Mikk1 | hacker breakin |
| 21:08.27 | Shadowed | this is the internet |
| 21:08.29 | MoonWolf | we could ask iriel. |
| 21:08.32 | Shadowed | can prove anything if you try hard enough! |
| 21:08.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=George@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 21:08.43 | Mikk1 | MoonWolf: Yes, let's ask the guy with a chick name for proof =P |
| 21:08.50 | Cairenn | *snicker* |
| 21:08.54 | MoonWolf | haha |
| 21:08.58 | Shadowed | haha |
| 21:09.47 | Mikk1 | purl, bugger Shadowed |
| 21:09.48 | purl | ACTION grabs hold of the Eiffel tower, dips it in Tabasco and fresh metal shavings, and asks Shadowed to please bend over. |
| 21:09.53 | Mikk1 | tadaa! |
| 21:09.58 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Mikk1 (i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 21:10.56 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 21:10.59 | Shadowed | how to get revenge |
| 21:11.40 | Cide | go train it. duh |
| 21:11.53 | Cairenn | LOL |
| 21:11.57 | Cide | ~whaleslap Cide |
| 21:11.58 | purl | ACTION beats Cide upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 21:11.58 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=George@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 21:11.58 | zinor` | ok its saturday night, no irc parties! |
| 21:12.08 | Shadowed | it's saturday already? |
| 21:12.16 | zinor` | at least thats what my clock says |
| 21:12.33 | Cairenn | mine too |
| 21:13.12 | Kirkburn | My clock says Hello |
| 21:13.40 | zinor` | I missed all the Cairenn pictures? :s |
| 21:13.55 | Shadowed | unless she deleted them they are still up |
| 21:13.57 | Cairenn | yes, yes you did, and they're gone now |
| 21:14.16 | zinor` | www.imageshack.us tbh |
| 21:14.20 | zinor` | permanent hosting! |
| 21:14.20 | Cairenn | unless Dolby is busily re-constructing from the db :p |
| 21:14.21 | Shadowed | no they aren't |
| 21:14.34 | Cairenn | damnit, Dolby! |
| 21:14.54 | Kirov | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=284 |
| 21:14.59 | Cide | aww |
| 21:15.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.16 | Cide | luckily I saved the naked ones to my desktop |
| 21:15.24 | Cairenn | ! |
| 21:15.25 | Cide | err, nevermind |
| 21:15.29 | Cide | nothing to see here, move along! |
| 21:15.31 | Shadowed | upload upload! |
| 21:15.43 | zinor` | GRR |
| 21:15.44 | zinor` | i missed it |
| 21:15.49 | zinor` | upload another |
| 21:15.57 | Shadowed | Cairenn knows that if she deleted them somebody would have it up somewhere else from google cache in 10 minutes! |
| 21:16.05 | zinor` | oh ya |
| 21:16.07 | zinor` | google cache |
| 21:16.08 | zinor` | good idea |
| 21:16.27 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.52 | Shadowed | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.08 | Cide | purl, sigh $1 is <action> sighs, rolls its eyes, and shakes its head, "$1!" |
| 21:18.09 | purl | okay, Cide |
| 21:18.25 | Kirkburn | Top result for 'Cairenn': http://www.firetree.net/wheel/pic/freshwater.jpg |
| 21:18.25 | Cide | purl sigh People |
| 21:18.27 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes, and shakes its head, "People!" |
| 21:18.28 | [Ammo] | what is this morbid fascination with pictures of women from the internet |
| 21:18.32 | zinor` | http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:dhWjd-LY4PTUTM:http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/attachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D284%26stc%3D1%26thumb%3D1 |
| 21:18.33 | [Ammo] | go out there! |
| 21:18.39 | [Ammo] | get yourself some real flesh |
| 21:18.55 | zinor` | cant find big image tho :( |
| 21:18.58 | [Ammo] | it's not like these women ask you to pose for them ;p |
| 21:19.10 | zinor` | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://roshambowinery.com/images/events/pp/Cairenn.jpg&imgrefurl=http://roshambowinery.com/events/details-pp.php%3Feventid%3D6&h=245&w=300&sz=27&hl=en&sig2=rgDV6TeUYre7aIYMAXuU6Q&start=1&tbnid=6k4dpbiFfZcx-M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=111&ei=RSGwRNyvPKfgwQHJtfGkCQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcairenn%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG |
| 21:19.11 | zinor` | lmao |
| 21:19.11 | zinor` | #1 |
| 21:19.20 | Kirkburn | spammage, mmm, tasty |
| 21:19.32 | Cairenn | NOT me |
| 21:19.36 | Cairenn | ewww |
| 21:22.05 | Kirkburn | Not you either? http://www.firetree.net/wheel/pic/carrywater.jpg |
| 21:23.35 | Kirkburn | Nevermind, the top result for me is a Care Home: http://www.barchester.com/kirkburn/images/home.jpg |
| 21:24.00 | Kirkburn | It's not even a very interesting building :( |
| 21:25.55 | Kirkburn | Genius, the results for my real name are well masked :D |
| 21:26.46 | Kirkburn | ~whaleslap everyone |
| 21:26.48 | purl | ACTION beats everyone upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 21:27.52 | Kirov | I'm a russian battle ship |
| 21:27.52 | Kirov | woot |
| 21:27.52 | Kirov | http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/fleet/russian/surface/kirov-heavy-cruiser-1144-13.jpg |
| 21:28.03 | Kirkburn | Yes indeed! ... or Stalin. |
| 21:28.28 | Kirov | If you search for my real name the top result is this http://www.unrealty.net/vsmm99/ourhousesmall.jpg |
| 21:28.45 | Kirkburn | This is obviously purl: http://www.nndb.com/people/403/000109076/linda-purl.jpg |
| 21:29.06 | Kirov | On a plus note, at least that one image is something I made. |
| 21:29.14 | Kirkburn | Was just about to ask |
| 21:29.16 | Kirov | 7 years ago ... cripes |
| 21:30.04 | Kirov | It was a recreation of my family's first house we lived in when we moved to California |
| 21:30.08 | Kirov | in Unreal |
| 21:30.24 | Kirkburn | Odd, for my name search I do not appear anywhere on the first page of results. On the second page, however, every single result is a picture of me :P |
| 21:30.59 | Kirov | There used to be photos of me online, but they were all taken down by the time Google existed |
| 21:31.03 | Kirkburn | Hah, I remember chatting with my school friends about making an AvP map of the school ... would have been amazing |
| 21:31.10 | MoonWolf | for some reason pic searching under my internet nic get nothing relevant :P |
| 21:31.37 | MoonWolf | generic names ftw |
| 21:31.47 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/8yearsold.jpg - that's me |
| 21:32.01 | Kirov | slightly old picture |
| 21:32.04 | Kirkburn | You're quite small :P |
| 21:32.07 | Kirov | gg mullet |
| 21:32.21 | Kirkburn | MoonWolf, indeed, absolutely nothing relevant whatsoever |
| 21:32.27 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mikk1 (i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 21:32.50 | Kirkburn | It's Mikk! http://www.eys.ee/~einz/mikk.jpg |
| 21:33.01 | Kirkburn | what a hunk ... |
| 21:33.04 | Mikk1 | hahaha |
| 21:33.06 | Mikk1 | riight =) |
| 21:33.52 | Kirkburn | I've never been particularly bothered about hiding my identity online ... yet, anyway :) |
| 21:33.55 | Mikk1 | Weird.. Should I not be able to do like obj:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", 20, -20); obj:SetPoint("TOPRIGHT", -20, -20); obj:SetHeight(150); to get something that's slightly smaller than the enclosing object and 150 pixels high? |
| 21:34.11 | Mikk1 | I'm getting something that's glued to the right side, with the right height, but only like 10 pixels wide |
| 21:34.20 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/Loft/Loft%20022.jpg - woot, an actual picture of myself |
| 21:34.30 | Kirkburn | This must be you then, Mikk1: http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/45/455/455928/mikk1.jpg |
| 21:34.50 | Kirkburn | Kirov, did someone just move your TV :P |
| 21:35.11 | Kirov | Kirkburn - I'd just moved in to my apartment. |
| 21:35.18 | Kirkburn | Nice placement of the toothbrush :) |
| 21:35.32 | Mikk1 | Priority one: Play games. |
| 21:35.37 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/Loft/Loft%20031.jpg |
| 21:35.47 | Kirkburn | nice |
| 21:35.47 | Kirov | That's my dad's toothbrush, actually |
| 21:36.01 | Cide | hmm |
| 21:36.19 | Kirov | Not really sure why it was sitting on that table |
| 21:36.32 | Cide | will :GetPoint(point) always return 5 arguments? |
| 21:37.02 | Kirov | probably |
| 21:37.21 | Kirkburn | Since you posted your Kirov, I suppose I should post something to join you :P http://www.chig.org.uk/images/JK_2003/JK1.jpg |
| 21:37.31 | Cide | Mikk1: seems to do that, yeah |
| 21:37.38 | Kirov | hehe |
| 21:38.01 | Cide | Mikk1: try :ClearAllPoints before, it usually helps with those kinds of issues :) |
| 21:38.06 | Kirkburn | (now, is that me in front, or behind?? =) |
| 21:38.25 | Mikk1 | I just created the frame though =/ |
| 21:38.49 | Cide | well |
| 21:38.51 | Mikk1 | Argh, you're right |
| 21:38.51 | Cide | what's your width? |
| 21:38.57 | Mikk1 | I didn't set one |
| 21:39.03 | Cide | of the parent's object |
| 21:39.03 | Mikk1 | But it looks like WoW thought I had one anyway |
| 21:39.08 | Cide | hehe :) |
| 21:39.12 | Mikk1 | 150ish |
| 21:39.30 | Cide | did you fix it? |
| 21:39.54 | Mikk1 | yea |
| 21:39.58 | Mikk1 | just needed a clear |
| 21:40.00 | Mikk1 | *sigh* |
| 21:40.02 | Cide | alright :) |
| 21:40.10 | Mikk1 | I just assumed I could not possibly need one on a freshly created frame |
| 21:40.21 | Mikk1 | And assumption is, as we all know, the mother of all fuckups |
| 21:40.32 | Kirkburn | Cide is older than I expected: http://www.cide.edu/analisiseconomico/documentos/raul.feliz/imagenes/CIDE.jpg |
| 21:40.48 | Cide | indeed |
| 21:41.00 | Kirkburn | Nice teeth though |
| 21:41.29 | Cide | I'm particularly proud of those |
| 21:42.00 | Kirkburn | I wish I had an educational institution named after me :( |
| 21:42.28 | Kirkburn | Your english is very good :) |
| 21:43.05 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi isn't talking to me now :( |
| 21:43.37 | Kirkburn | What did you do to him? I hope you didn't stab him toooo much |
| 21:43.41 | Cide | quick! re-upload the files! |
| 21:43.53 | Cairenn | deleted the thread :p |
| 21:44.56 | Kirkburn | You did, too :/ |
| 21:45.04 | Cairenn | yes, I did :p |
| 21:46.58 | Mikk1 | Okay, what the heck is going on when a multiline editbox suddenly truncates my string with a bunch of "..." (WAAAAAAY below the letter limit!), but everything is working like it should (GetText() returns the whole pasted text), and the cursor seems to follow actual invisible line lengths when I move below the "..."s? |
| 21:49.20 | Shadowed | it would be mean to save the image i suppose |
| 21:50.53 | Shadowed | oh, so apparently the forum system doesn't delete attachments if the thread was deleted |
| 21:51.50 | Cide | it does |
| 21:51.54 | Cide | if you do a hard refresh |
| 21:52.21 | Shadowed | so it does |
| 21:52.41 | Mikk1 | You know that cache you were digging in? It's not just there so your spouse can spot your pr0n surfing more easily.... =P |
| 21:52.51 | Mikk1 | </sarcasm> |
| 21:53.00 | Shadowed | actually i wasn't checking cache |
| 21:53.12 | Shadowed | just clicked the attachment link to see if it really got deleted :p |
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| 22:05.57 | Kirov | Cide - how do you handle version broadcasting in ctra? |
| 22:06.40 | Kirov | Is it just spammed when someone joins the ctra channel, or just periodically? |
| 22:07.07 | Cide | when someone requests it |
| 22:07.24 | Cide | which is when someone joins the channel, or manually asks for it with /raupdate |
| 22:07.45 | Mikk1 | *CRY* Time for me to go to sleep it seems. No bloody wonder it's seeming like one of my SetPoint calls aren't taking when I'm stuffing them into a table first, indexed by method name. |
| 22:07.53 | Mikk1 | t["SetPoint"] = ... |
| 22:07.57 | Kirov | And everyone sends their own version, right? |
| 22:07.58 | Mikk1 | t["SetPoint"] = something else .. |
| 22:08.26 | Kirov | Mikk - lol |
| 22:08.29 | Cide | Kirov: right |
| 22:08.44 | Kirov | Mikk - keep it as an indexed table |
| 22:08.56 | Mikk1 | That's ugleh =P |
| 22:09.01 | Mikk1 | In this case? |
| 22:09.13 | Mikk1 | But yeah |
| 22:09.26 | Kirov | each SetPoint method as an index of ["SetPoint"] |
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| 22:09.42 | Esamynn | Good afternoon all |
| 22:09.44 | Mikk1 | Mneh I'll just index the lot of them |
| 22:09.53 | Mikk1 | There's probably some point to doing that |
| 22:09.57 | Mikk1 | That I just can't think of right now |
| 22:10.19 | Kirkburn | Anyone know of Rocketboom here? |
| 22:16.05 | Wobin | Mikk1: Index them, then check if the next() in the table is a function and execute it |
| 22:17.35 | Mikk1 | nah, need to give parameters too |
| 22:17.56 | Mikk1 | { f="Funcname", p1, p2, p3, p4 }, { f="Anotherfuncname", p1, p2, p3} , ... |
| 22:19.28 | Mikk1 | This is fun. 100% crash on exit/reload. |
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| 22:21.34 | Cairenn | hi Esamynn |
| 22:21.36 | Cide | yay! you get to bug slouken |
| 22:21.55 | Cide | if you make a test case |
| 22:22.15 | Esamynn | lol |
| 22:22.20 | Cide | you need to have the trigger to execute the crash code be a slash command named '/tem' |
| 22:22.33 | Cide | it is vital for success |
| 22:22.50 | Mikk1 | Actually, just walking away from the computer for 20 minutes will do it too |
| 22:22.55 | Kirkburn | hah, Species is on ... apparently Seti sent out a signal of 0.25KB which included the human genome, and the location of Earth. Apparently we have a very short genome. |
| 22:23.15 | Depherios | lol |
| 22:23.26 | Esamynn | Cide: haha, it's soo true too :D |
| 22:23.51 | Kirkburn | slouken should slip /tem into the game :P |
| 22:24.05 | Mikk1 | I'm half tempted to send something in |
| 22:24.15 | Mikk1 | Though it'd involve a zip of my Interface and WTF folders |
| 22:24.18 | Mikk1 | Bleh |
| 22:25.12 | Esamynn | Mikk1: you should try to narrow down the problem first |
| 22:25.40 | Cide | purl, no, sigh $1 is <action> sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "$1!" |
| 22:25.41 | purl | okay, Cide |
| 22:27.52 | Mikk1 | purl, sigh Mikk1 |
| 22:27.53 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Mikk1!" |
| 22:28.12 | Mikk1 | purl, rebel |
| 22:29.34 | Mikk1 | purl, rebel |
| 22:29.35 | purl | ACTION has left the channel ("Freedom!") |
| 22:31.33 | Esamynn | ~lart Mikk1 |
| 22:31.49 | Esamynn | Mikk1: play with purl in private chat :P |
| 22:33.47 | Mikk1 | purl, go private |
| 22:33.48 | purl | Five dollah? Five dollah? .... Three dollah? |
| 22:34.22 | Mikk1 | Nah, I should just go to bed. |
| 22:34.34 | Mikk1 | My sense of humor is long gone =P |
| 22:36.31 | Mikk1 | This crash I'm getting is a buffer overrun btw. |
| 22:36.51 | Mikk1 | I'm seeing parts of my SavedVariables go into an address register |
| 22:37.04 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.35 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 22:39.09 | Kirkburn1 | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/burningcrusade/townhall/jewelcrafting.html |
| 22:39.16 | Kirkburn1 | ^ if no-one's seen it yet :) |
| 22:39.24 | Cairenn | *clicks the link* |
| 22:39.56 | Kirkburn | With interactive socketing! |
| 22:40.17 | Mikk1 | I'm putting little messages to Slouken into my WoWError descriptions |
| 22:40.25 | Mikk1 | Wonder if he'll ever see them =P |
| 22:41.10 | Cairenn | Mikk1: he will if you send the stuff to me so I can forward it to him :p |
| 22:41.21 | Mikma | i just received a blizzard insider in my email and checked out the exact same url :) it's going to be really sweet |
| 22:41.55 | Mikma | my friends friend once said that WoW lacks the profession of Scroll-writing (buffs) |
| 22:42.32 | Kirkburn | Did they now |
| 22:42.46 | Kirkburn | They were right =) |
| 22:43.52 | Kirkburn | It's a cool idea, thinking about it ... temporary buffs you can use whenever you want |
| 22:43.57 | Mikk1 | Right. When do we get jewel bags? =P |
| 22:44.21 | Mikk1 | Kirkburn: Those are called Elixirs =P |
| 22:45.14 | Kirkburn | Oh shush, you |
| 22:45.40 | Kirkburn | I hear we'll get codpieces in 1.12, Mikk1 |
| 22:46.02 | Kirkburn | Oh ... not those kind of (family) jewels? |
| 22:46.34 | Tarog | Thanks for the welcome back Mikk :) |
| 22:46.44 | Mikk1 | =) |
| 22:46.45 | Kirkburn | How was your vacation? |
| 22:46.51 | Tarog | decent |
| 22:46.55 | Tarog | nice and relaxing |
| 22:46.58 | Tarog | needed it |
| 22:47.10 | Tarog | have fun |
| 22:47.49 | Kirkburn | In bed? hmmmm |
| 22:48.17 | Tarog | doesn't make sense to not have fun |
| 22:48.22 | Kirkburn | Methinks I should follow Mikk1's lead and also just stop right now. |
| 22:48.25 | Tarog | should have fun with whatever you do |
| 22:49.04 | Kirkburn | Very true. Well, have a fun night everyone! |
| 22:49.21 | Kirkburn | Don't post too many piccies of Cair =) |
| 22:49.50 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn |
| 22:50.30 | Kirkburn | g'night :P |
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| 23:05.59 | Kirov | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-hunter&t=1262726 - anyone care to comment, or know any hunters they can point towards this thread? |
| 23:06.23 | Shadowed | sec |
| 23:06.34 | Shadowed | Gluth also frenzies by the way |
| 23:06.48 | Kirov | From Naxx, right? |
| 23:06.59 | Shadowed | yeah, after Grobb in abom wing |
| 23:07.03 | Kirov | My guild hasn't gotten there yet |
| 23:07.11 | Kirov | We're still trying to get past Anub |
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| 23:08.04 | Shadowed | A lot of it depended on how many hunters we're available, and i wouldn't be suprised if thats what varies it for others too |
| 23:08.47 | Kirov | The frenzy time was based on the number of hunters? |
| 23:09.12 | Shadowed | no, I mean depending how we delt with frenzy during like BWL |
| 23:09.43 | Shadowed | If there was enough hunters it was pretty much 2-3 are put on a rotation, and the rest act as back up incase one of the 2-3 miss |
| 23:10.38 | Kirov | k |
| 23:10.38 | Shadowed | I'll try to grab the frenzy timing for Gluth tonight, doing him in a few hours. |
| 23:10.38 | Kirov | He looks to be on a 10 second rotation |
| 23:10.38 | Kirov | http://stocksins.free.fr/Fen/Gluth-dead.jpg |
| 23:10.49 | Shadowed | Sounds right |
| 23:11.12 | Kirov | If you could confirm that it'd be appriciated |
| 23:13.18 | Shadowed | Will do, hopfully people sign on tonight |
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| 23:55.50 | Kaso | if you get two hits really close together you can absorb them both with the same shield even though the first one should break through the shield. |
| 23:56.27 | Kirov | ? |
| 23:57.13 | Kaso | Fred hits you for 50 (1124 absorbed) Bill hits you for 34 (1124 absorbed) |
| 23:57.23 | Kaso | my shield absorbs 1124 |
| 23:58.06 | Shadowed | Kaso: It can happen with Shield block, so i'd imagine the same thing can happen with shields |
| 23:58.18 | Shadowed | s/shields/priest shields/ |
| 23:58.30 | Kaso | Interesting effect |
| 23:59.16 | Shadowed | Blizzard mentioned it a while back when shield block was bugged to never fade even after blocking, said it was due to latency or something along that lines |
