| 00:05.44 | chuckg | Thrae|Away, what kind of changes to TinyTip are we looking at?! |
| 00:06.13 | chuckg | Oh it's up now. Nm :) |
| 00:06.26 | Thrae|WoW | Yes, both the SVN and pages have been updated |
| 00:07.07 | chuckg | Ohh! |
| 00:07.12 | chuckg | You did both my requests, thanks :) |
| 00:07.21 | chuckg | No more fade and offsets! |
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| 00:14.52 | Legorol | Thrae|WoW: did you have any luck with your tooltip issues? |
| 00:15.24 | Thrae|WoW | Legorol: Using Evil OnUpdate Timer |
| 00:15.31 | Legorol | :/ |
| 00:15.36 | Legorol | as long as it works |
| 00:15.40 | Thrae|WoW | I had a loooooong discussion with Mikk about it |
| 00:15.58 | Thrae|WoW | I'm probably going to switch to using a custom tooltip fully like TipBuddy does |
| 00:16.17 | Thrae|WoW | Should fix some of my issues. |
| 00:16.35 | Legorol | if you use custom tooltip, do you complete replace GameTooltip? |
| 00:16.38 | Legorol | and don't even show it? |
| 00:16.47 | Thrae|WoW | Yes, that's what TipBuddy does. |
| 00:16.59 | Legorol | is it using an object that is named GameTooltip though? |
| 00:17.02 | Legorol | or completely hiding it |
| 00:17.24 | Legorol | if so, how do you get stuff that the engine sets up in GameTooltip directly? |
| 00:17.27 | Legorol | do you copy it over? |
| 00:17.33 | Thrae|WoW | Copy it over |
| 00:17.53 | Legorol | ok, in that case, could i humbly request that you make your addon compatible with EquipCompare :) |
| 00:18.03 | Legorol | oh wait |
| 00:18.11 | Legorol | do you do the replacement only on mouseover units/doodads? |
| 00:18.14 | Thrae|WoW | I'm not going to do it if it breaks compatibility with anything |
| 00:18.16 | Legorol | or in bags/bars as well? |
| 00:18.29 | Thrae|WoW | Only replacement for SetUnit calls |
| 00:18.32 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 00:18.38 | Legorol | then it should be fine |
| 00:18.48 | Legorol | what EquipCompare does is to monitor the GameTooltip in an OnUpdate |
| 00:19.01 | Legorol | when GameTooltip becomes visible, it checks to see if it should attach a comparison tooltip next to it |
| 00:19.18 | Legorol | well it does it slightly smarter but that's the essence of it |
| 00:19.30 | Legorol | so if you were to hide GameTooltip for stuff like bags/bars, it would mean EC doesn't work either |
| 00:19.43 | Thrae|WoW | Why don't you just hook SetDefaultAnchor? |
| 00:19.52 | Legorol | because for bag items it's not used ;-) |
| 00:19.57 | Legorol | nor for action bars |
| 00:20.01 | Legorol | nor for quest log |
| 00:20.02 | Legorol | nor for vendor |
| 00:20.04 | Legorol | nor for.. |
| 00:20.06 | Legorol | you get the idea :) |
| 00:20.07 | Thrae|WoW | OK, what about OnTooltipCleared ? |
| 00:20.33 | Legorol | i don't think that's guaranteed to fire when the tooltip is set up freshly |
| 00:20.35 | Legorol | i might be wrong there |
| 00:20.43 | Legorol | i do use OnTooltipCleared though |
| 00:20.44 | Thrae|WoW | Same for OnShow? |
| 00:20.49 | Legorol | to notice when the contents might have changed |
| 00:21.20 | Legorol | i will think about using OnTooltipCleared for all monitoring, but i'm pretty sure i had a reason for the OnUpdate watch |
| 00:21.42 | Legorol | anyway, EC has a function you can call to draw its attention to your own tooltip |
| 00:21.45 | Legorol | a single line |
| 00:21.49 | Legorol | in which case it will monitor that tooltip too |
| 00:22.07 | Legorol | but you don't need it if you use custom tooltip only for SetUnit stuff |
| 00:22.20 | Thrae|WoW | Oh, if you drag one tooltip to something else that that spawns a tooltip without first hiding it, nothing in Lua gets called |
| 00:22.22 | Legorol | since you hardly want to compare Joe PC to your uber 2H sword ;-) |
| 00:22.50 | Thrae|WoW | Which was my original problem, which is why you probably used OnUpdate too |
| 00:23.10 | Legorol | hmm |
| 00:23.27 | Legorol | if i remember correctly, i only use OnUpdate to check if GameTooltip is visible or not |
| 00:23.37 | Legorol | if it is visible, and if i haven't already attached comparison to it, |
| 00:23.39 | Legorol | then i do so |
| 00:24.05 | Legorol | and i watch OnTooltipCleared to see if i should get rid of the comparison |
| 00:24.12 | Legorol | this works because comparisons are only necessary for items.. |
| 00:24.19 | Legorol | which properly use Lua-side stuff, so it all works |
| 00:24.23 | Legorol | i don't have the same problem as you |
| 00:26.50 | chuckg | Is it still going to be a "Tiny Tip" mod if you make your own tooltip? |
| 00:27.34 | Thrae|WoW | If it's necessary to be 100% compatible, then so be it |
| 00:27.58 | Thrae|WoW | We're talking fixing problems not having anything to do with the "extra" features |
| 00:34.22 | chuckg | What kind of resource/ir hit is the targetting tip stuff? |
| 00:35.09 | Thrae|WoW | The Raid one will go through all 40 raid members, checking each target |
| 00:35.33 | Thrae|WoW | All of the functions themselves are very minimal, just the overhead of the functions and a few locals in memory |
| 00:35.47 | Thrae|WoW | The slash commands add a lot of globals |
| 00:36.13 | chuckg | So every time I mouse a new target it cycles all 40 raid members? |
| 00:36.25 | Thrae|WoW | If you're in a raid, yes |
| 00:36.26 | chuckg | Seems like some heavy lifting. |
| 00:37.21 | Thrae|WoW | Not really, it's 40 checks of UnitExists("raid" .. i .. "target") and UnitIsUnit("raid" .. i .. "target") at the very least |
| 00:37.31 | Thrae|WoW | It's VERY minimal compared to most other addons |
| 00:37.35 | chuckg | I'm assuming htte bugs you're talking about is seeing data that's not actually for that current tooltip target, right? Anyway, thanks for the additions I asked for. |
| 00:37.45 | chuckg | What's it do if you have 39 other ppl targeting it? |
| 00:37.46 | chuckg | :) |
| 00:37.49 | Thrae|WoW | And no new tables or locals are being created |
| 00:38.03 | chuckg | I mean, does it truncate? |
| 00:38.12 | Thrae|WoW | Truncate? |
| 00:38.15 | chuckg | I can imagine a tooltip half the size of my screen.. |
| 00:39.01 | Thrae|WoW | ToR == 1 shows the number of people targeting, ToR == 2 shows the count of unique class names targeting (IE: Druid, etc.), ToR == 3 will show all the names |
| 00:39.09 | Thrae|WoW | ToP has a similiar option, 2 |
| 00:39.22 | Thrae|WoW | That will show just a count instead of names |
| 00:39.31 | chuckg | Ahh. |
| 00:39.32 | chuckg | K :) |
| 00:41.34 | Thrae|WoW | Mikk had this great idea of making yet another tooltip that sits in the bottomright hand corner where you can place options. |
| 00:42.01 | Thrae|WoW | It doesn't even need to be a tooltip, it can just be a simple frame that only appears with TinyTip. |
| 00:42.25 | Thrae|WoW | So if you do want all 40 raid names, they can be in that frame rather then taking up half your screen. |
| 00:43.17 | chuckg | Would only create that frame if you wanted the option? |
| 00:43.28 | chuckg | Otherwise it stays as a simple constructor in the code? |
| 00:43.57 | Thrae|WoW | Yes, I use only dynamic frames. |
| 00:58.47 | Atog | I'll get some rest. goodnight all. |
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| 01:58.05 | Kirkburn1 | Ciao! I've been working on a website design for a couple of hours ... wondering what people think of it =) http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chig7sh.jpg |
| 01:59.03 | Kirkburn1 | It's not much atm :P Just something I made in fireworks |
| 02:00.18 | Legorol | does anyone here speak french by any chance |
| 02:00.31 | Kaelten | not bad kirk |
| 02:01.57 | Kirkburn1 | Ta Kaelten ... I suppose it would be better to actually have a working version next time =) |
| 02:02.12 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 02:02.31 | Kirkburn1 | Night night everyone! Hope you find a frenchman Legorol :) |
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| 02:39.39 | Kaelten | Does SetAlpha not work on a frame object? |
| 02:40.47 | Kirov | Should |
| 02:41.00 | Kirov | what range are you using? |
| 02:42.44 | Kaelten | I tried putting it to like 200 at first |
| 02:42.47 | Kaelten | and then to 5 |
| 02:42.52 | Kaelten | neither seemed to have any effect |
| 02:43.51 | Kirov | it's a 0 - 1 range |
| 02:43.56 | Kirov | try 0.5 |
| 02:44.15 | Kaelten | ah the wowwiki says its a 0-255 range |
| 02:46.24 | Kaelten | fixed it in the wiki |
| 02:47.19 | Legorol | that's probably because the alpha parameter in hex colour codes is indeed 00 to ff |
| 02:47.35 | Legorol | so the person must've confused it with that |
| 02:48.41 | Kaelten | ah |
| 02:49.03 | Kaelten | working on OneBag is forcing me to get familar with whole need parts of the api |
| 02:49.41 | Kirov | A number of mods, including some of blizzards own code, used to work in a 0-255 range |
| 02:49.58 | Kirov | they'd do a 255/255 when actually doing the set |
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| 03:09.12 | Legorol | This is silly.. on a perfectly fine installation the Repair utility proceeds to download close to 300 Mb and changes the contents of several mpq files in the Data folder |
| 03:11.43 | Legorol | I know that the installation is fine because the MD5's of the MPQs are the same on all machines i have tried |
| 03:16.24 | MentalPower | perhaps it downgraded your installation? |
| 03:16.43 | MentalPower | BTW, does debuginfo() actually work on the test servers? |
| 03:22.27 | dukeku | Legorol: the repair tool downgrades to 1.0 and downloads the latest full patch |
| 03:26.56 | Legorol | no it didn't downgrade my install |
| 03:27.05 | Legorol | it simply had errors reading a few files in the MPQs |
| 03:27.14 | Legorol | it downloaded those and put them in the MPQs |
| 03:27.30 | Legorol | the weird thing is... each time i rerun it, it finds error with different files |
| 03:27.35 | Legorol | and proceeds to download them |
| 03:27.49 | Legorol | It only does a downgrade to the retail version if it finds too many errors |
| 03:28.04 | Legorol | but the weird thing is, as i said, that this is a perfectly fine installation |
| 03:28.56 | MentalPower | failing drive? |
| 03:29.34 | Legorol | it's a brand new drive |
| 03:29.39 | Legorol | and as i said, the MD5s match |
| 03:29.55 | Legorol | i have collected the MD5 hashes from several WoW installs that were patched up to 1.11.1 |
| 03:30.08 | Legorol | all the machines had the same hashes, except for patch.mpq |
| 03:30.27 | Legorol | the difference in patch.mpq can be attributed to whether the game was installed at retail and gradually, bit by bit patched up to the current version, |
| 03:30.40 | Legorol | or whether it had a retail-to-major.version patch at some point |
| 03:30.52 | MentalPower | are you sure that matters |
| 03:31.00 | Legorol | well it produces different patch.mpqs |
| 03:31.04 | MentalPower | cause I just downloaded the blizzard 1.11 patch |
| 03:31.16 | Legorol | if you do a fresh install, |
| 03:31.17 | MentalPower | and the patch.mpq is still as big as ever 1.9GB |
| 03:31.22 | Legorol | yes it's the same size |
| 03:31.23 | MentalPower | sorry |
| 03:31.26 | Legorol | but it has different md5 hash |
| 03:31.27 | MentalPower | blizzard 1.11 client |
| 03:31.32 | Legorol | ok two scenarios: |
| 03:31.40 | Legorol | 1) install retail version |
| 03:31.42 | Legorol | over the years, keep patching it up |
| 03:31.44 | Legorol | reach 1.11.1 |
| 03:31.47 | Legorol | 2) install retail version |
| 03:31.54 | Legorol | patch with retail-to-1.11 |
| 03:31.57 | Legorol | reach 1.11.1 |
| 03:32.05 | Legorol | these two paths produce different MD5 for patch.mpq |
| 03:32.12 | Legorol | but the rest of the MPQs always have the same MD5 |
| 03:32.16 | Legorol | because they are never altered |
| 03:32.25 | Legorol | and they retain the version they were installed from retail media |
| 03:32.33 | Legorol | so i was comparing the MD5s of the remaining MPQs |
| 03:32.42 | Legorol | and the weird thing is, on all machines, they are all the same |
| 03:32.49 | MentalPower | 3) install newer retail version (1.11) and then patch to 1.11.1 |
| 03:32.51 | Legorol | however, if i run the repair utility, it founds some errors in them |
| 03:33.02 | Legorol | MentalPower: what do you mean by new retail version? |
| 03:33.11 | MentalPower | lemme get a link |
| 03:33.15 | Legorol | the boxes in the shops are 1.0.0 (in US) or 1.1.2 in EU |
| 03:33.22 | Legorol | well yeah |
| 03:33.31 | Legorol | scenario 3) will give different MPQs |
| 03:33.37 | Legorol | that's not what i'm talking about though |
| 03:33.43 | Legorol | yes i know the one you mean |
| 03:33.53 | Legorol | i am talking about machines all of which were installed from the 1.1.2 EU retail box |
| 03:34.02 | Legorol | and then what happens if you run the repair utility |
| 03:34.28 | MentalPower | http://www.fileplanet.com/163517/160000/fileinfo/World-of-Warcraft---Trial-Client |
| 03:34.39 | Legorol | yes i know about that one |
| 03:34.48 | Legorol | that would already have the 1.11 files integrated into the other mpqs |
| 03:34.52 | Legorol | that's not interesting for me |
| 03:34.53 | MentalPower | negative |
| 03:35.16 | MentalPower | thats what I thought first too |
| 03:35.20 | MentalPower | but its not the case |
| 03:35.22 | Legorol | ok if they don't, they don't |
| 03:35.27 | Legorol | it's still irrelevant for me |
| 03:35.45 | Legorol | as a side note: the 1.1.2 EU retail box has no patch.mpq, it has the difference from 1.0.0 integrated into the other mpqs |
| 03:36.05 | Legorol | so an MD5 comparison between a US and an EU client will give different results for all mpqs |
| 03:36.10 | Legorol | but that's not relevant for me either |
| 03:36.21 | Legorol | I was comparing machines that had 1.1.2 box installed on, |
| 03:36.27 | Legorol | and patched to 1.11.1 via different means |
| 03:36.34 | Legorol | except for patch.mpq, the rest of the files are identical |
| 03:36.45 | Legorol | *until* you run the repair utility |
| 03:36.53 | Legorol | for some unknown reason, the repair utility seems to find errors in a few files |
| 03:37.05 | Legorol | and it's seemingly random |
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| 03:57.51 | Kaelten | ok I got a weird bug |
| 03:58.20 | Kaelten | I call Frame:SetAlpha(value) and then I reload and I open the frame |
| 03:59.16 | Kaelten | when its opened the alpha is set again from a stored value but all of its children are at 100% alpha value where the frame itself is at the correct alpha |
| 03:59.19 | Kaelten | any idea why? |
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| 04:01.35 | MentalPower | what frame did you try it with? |
| 04:01.47 | Kaelten | the frame for OneBag |
| 04:03.19 | MentalPower | I just tried it with the AuctionFrame and they got reset to 100% |
| 04:03.26 | MentalPower | trying now with ContainerFrame1 |
| 04:03.33 | MentalPower | same story |
| 04:04.11 | Kaelten | when I set it after the fact everything works fine |
| 04:04.25 | Kaelten | its on load that I'm having a hard time for some reason |
| 04:05.30 | Kaelten | hrm idea |
| 04:05.41 | Kaelten | aha got it working now |
| 04:06.05 | Kaelten | I was trying to set it in a few differnt places and apparently if you set it to the same value overagain it shortcuts and returns early |
| 04:06.44 | Kaelten | and the first time I set it the children didn't exist yet |
| 04:08.58 | MentalPower | makes sense |
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| 04:10.43 | Kaelten | yep |
| 04:10.52 | Kaelten | just didn't think about the fact the children didn't exist |
| 04:15.09 | Mikk1 | they don't anymore? cool! no more jumping around in the neighbors' back yards when I'm trying to sleep then =P |
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| 04:19.02 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 04:19.06 | Cairenn | that was just bad :p |
| 04:21.15 | Mikk1 | Well, it doesn't bloody help that I have a tendency to go to bed at like 6 in the morning =P |
| 04:21.57 | Cairenn | heh, in which way? the fact that they are all up shortly thereafter, or the fact that it leads to you making really pathetic jokes ;) |
| 04:22.06 | Mikk1 | hahaha |
| 04:22.10 | Mikk1 | both i guess ;) |
| 04:22.14 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 04:23.30 | Mikk1 | purl, emulate ckknight |
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| 04:24.59 | Cairenn | wb ckknight |
| 04:26.31 | Cairenn | or not |
| 04:27.24 | Kaelten | lol |
| 04:27.44 | Cairenn | ya have to kind of feel bad for him |
| 04:29.10 | Kaelten | ya It would stink to keep being d/cd all the time |
| 04:29.17 | Cairenn | agreed |
| 04:31.19 | Thrae|WoW | How do you get Simple Combat Log to display only numbers? |
| 04:32.23 | Cairenn | not using it so can't help, sorry |
| 04:32.43 | Cairenn | would think it'd be under the options somewhere though |
| 04:33.27 | Thrae|WoW | Yeah, I need to, like, read the README.TXT or the website, |
| 04:33.38 | Cairenn | ZOMG! Not that!! |
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| 04:53.04 | Kaelten | anyone know what the name of the keyringframe is off the top of your head? |
| 04:55.30 | Thrae|WoW | Well it's not KeyRingFrame or KeyringFrame. |
| 04:55.49 | Kaelten | ya it apparently is one of the random ContainerFrame |
| 04:56.01 | Kaelten | based on whatever one is not in use atm |
| 04:56.23 | Thrae|WoW | Fun fun. |
| 04:56.38 | Kaelten | ya... now how do I figure out which one I need to work with hrm |
| 04:56.52 | Mikk1 | :GetID() will return KEYRING_CONTAINER |
| 04:56.58 | Thrae|WoW | Maybe see what bag ToggleKeyRing opens |
| 04:57.11 | Thrae|WoW | Or that. |
| 04:57.19 | Kaelten | ya, apparently local shownContainerID = IsBagOpen(KEYRING_CONTAINER); will tell me which frame to work with |
| 04:59.11 | Mikk1 | Ooh hey I realized the cool way to monitor events with wildcards. |
| 04:59.36 | Mikk1 | Just do RegisterAllEvents() and then as you receive events, check against the wildcard, if it doesn't match, just UnregisterEvent() it |
| 05:06.18 | krka | or, you could just have a list of all the events |
| 05:06.27 | krka | that is more boring to code though |
| 05:06.38 | Mikk1 | it will also need updating when an event is added |
| 05:06.45 | Mikk1 | and requires me to actually know them all |
| 05:07.00 | krka | yeah |
| 05:08.10 | Mikk1 | Hrms. Any ace peeps around? I'd like to dump myDebug on a sane SVN repository somewhere. (Note: it ain't mine originally, but Scheid seems to have dropped off the face of the earth so I've been extending it quite a bit lately) |
| 05:08.39 | Kaelten | mikk1 whats up? |
| 05:08.53 | Mikk1 | Was just wondering if I could borrow a few kilobytes of space on the Ace repo =) |
| 05:09.15 | Kaelten | hmm, you'll need to talk to cladhaire he admins our repository |
| 05:09.22 | Mikk1 | Ah, ok, thanks. Will do. |
| 05:25.39 | Kaelten | anyone think of any features/options I can put into onebag before I go to work on onebank? |
| 05:26.52 | Karl | aioi |
| 05:27.36 | Mikk1 | Karl = KarlKFI? |
| 05:27.41 | Karl | yes |
| 05:27.48 | Cairenn | Mikk1: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4207 |
| 05:28.48 | Kaelten | Mikk1 I'm working on a full update with several new features and just trying to think what else I can put in |
| 05:29.44 | Mikk1 | Oh |
| 05:29.58 | Mikk1 | Well, I'm happy with the standard bags so I probably shouldn't even be trying to comment =) |
| 05:30.22 | Kaelten | hehe |
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| 05:46.24 | Karl | why does this onyl work sometimes... |
| 05:46.25 | Karl | svn info "$patcher/" | perl -npe 'print $1 if(/Last Changed Rev: (\d+)/); $_="";' |
| 05:46.41 | Karl | it's nto returning nothing |
| 05:46.44 | Karl | now* |
| 05:50.34 | End | Karl: so...that just prints out the last changed rev? |
| 05:50.50 | Karl | ya, should.. doesn't |
| 05:51.28 | Mikk1 | am i missing something... wouldn't "grep -e 'Last Changed Rev: '" do the job too? =P |
| 05:53.23 | Karl | well that returns Last Changed Rev: 3329 |
| 05:53.30 | End | that wouldn't strip off the 'Last Changed Rev:' part |
| 05:53.45 | Mikk1 | err doh. $1 |
| 05:53.49 | Mikk1 | ya i see it now |
| 05:53.56 | End | anyways, perl -e 'while(<>) {print $1 if(/Last Changed Rev: (\d+)/);}' works for me |
| 05:54.13 | End | but I just sorta modified the original slightly |
| 05:54.40 | Karl | not working.. |
| 05:54.47 | End | (don't forget the svn info at the beginning) |
| 05:55.11 | Karl | i know |
| 05:55.14 | End | hmm |
| 05:55.15 | Karl | not returning anything |
| 05:55.38 | End | weird... |
| 05:56.16 | End | oh, and it might get mooshed into the prompt |
| 05:56.37 | End | (since it doesn't print out a newline) |
| 05:58.18 | Karl | ah, that'd explain it |
| 05:58.39 | Karl | but not why if [ $VERSION -gt $OLD_VERSION ]; then complains about expecting a unary op |
| 05:59.35 | End | $VERSION or $OLD_VERSION might be an empty string |
| 06:00.27 | End | (try putting quotes aroudn each of them) |
| 06:00.29 | Karl | mmm |
| 06:00.49 | End | if [ "$VERSION" -gt "$OLD_VERSION" ]; then might wokr |
| 06:00.54 | End | s/wokr/work/ |
| 06:01.04 | Karl | as numbers? |
| 06:01.09 | End | of course, a good question is, why are you getting empty strings in the first place? :P |
| 06:01.10 | Karl | i spose it alphabetized then |
| 06:01.24 | End | keep in mind, the shell considers all to be strings |
| 06:01.28 | Karl | ah |
| 06:02.37 | Karl | integer expression expected |
| 06:02.46 | End | hmm |
| 06:03.08 | End | probably doesn't accept empty string sthen for -gt |
| 06:03.14 | Karl | any way to use 0 if it's an empty then? |
| 06:03.23 | End | well |
| 06:03.24 | Mikk1 | test for it being empty first |
| 06:03.34 | End | well yeah, you could do that |
| 06:03.51 | Mikk1 | or just fook shellscript and do it in perl since you're using it anyway |
| 06:03.57 | Karl | if ["$OLD_VERSION" = ""]; then ? |
| 06:04.05 | End | also, you could do something like test -z "$VERSION" && VERSION=0 |
| 06:04.25 | Karl | -z "$VERSION" || VERSION=0 ? |
| 06:04.33 | End | hold on, let me test |
| 06:04.34 | Mikk1 | before doing the test |
| 06:04.34 | End | :X |
| 06:04.44 | Mikk1 | End is right |
| 06:04.45 | End | I'm just kinda sputing blindly |
| 06:04.54 | End | s/sputing/spouting/ |
| 06:06.42 | End | (anyways, yeah, it works) |
| 06:06.44 | dukeku | s/my so called/life |
| 06:06.46 | dukeku | ~~~~~ |
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| 06:07.49 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:08.06 | Cairenn | hey |
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| 06:10.52 | Karl | ok, so here's the code that generates OLD_VERSION |
| 06:10.58 | Karl | OLD_VERSION=`cat "$OUTPUT_DIR/$OUTPUT_DISTRO_DIR/$DATA_DIR/changes_$distro.txt" | head -n 2 | tail -n 1 | awk '{print substr($1,2)}'` |
| 06:11.23 | Karl | how would i make that return 0 instead of empty string |
| 06:11.37 | Karl | not perl obviously |
| 06:11.40 | Mikk1 | substr($1,2?) + 0 |
| 06:11.47 | Mikk1 | minus the ? |
| 06:13.03 | Mikk1 | OLD_VERSION=`awk 'NR==2 { print substr($1,2)+0; exit(); }' "$OUTPUT_DIR/$OUTPUT_DISTRO_DIR/$DATA_DIR/changes_$distro.txt"` |
| 06:14.13 | Mikk1 | (fwiw, awk is just as powerful as perl when it comes to text parsing) |
| 06:16.43 | Karl | awk: line 1: syntax error at or near ) |
| 06:17.06 | Mikk1 | exit(0); even |
| 06:17.55 | Karl | yeah i dont know enough awk or bash to debug much |
| 06:19.27 | Karl | ok, so how about Last Changed Rev or zero? |
| 06:33.59 | Karl | bah.. soemthing's still broken |
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| 06:48.00 | Cairenn | hey MoonWolf |
| 06:48.11 | MoonWolf | hey Cairenn and other people. |
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| 07:03.32 | zespri | where do I download european client? =) |
| 07:06.34 | zespri | why don;t blizz publish the client I wonder. they do for korea |
| 07:08.45 | Mikk1 | because the korean market > the european market |
| 07:09.22 | zespri | and > then US market? |
| 07:09.34 | zespri | I doubt it |
| 07:09.47 | Mikk1 | nah i don't know tbh |
| 07:09.54 | zespri | =) |
| 07:09.55 | Mikk1 | would be easily checked by looking at the server counts |
| 07:10.26 | zespri | Well I want is to debug my addon with french or german client |
| 07:10.29 | zespri | or both |
| 07:10.44 | zespri | and because I have us client only I can't |
| 07:10.51 | zespri | and this drives me mad |
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| 07:32.30 | Wulf4 | zespri: you can download european client from blizzard |
| 07:34.33 | Mikk1 | O.O |
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| 07:40.04 | Wulf4 | I have a torrent for the 1.9.4 german version |
| 07:43.18 | Wulf4 | zespri: http://wulf.eu.org/stuff/wow-1.9.4-deDE.torrent |
| 07:43.26 | Wulf4 | zespri: http://wowdownload.wulf.eu.org/stuff/wow-1.9.4-deDE.torrent |
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| 07:46.22 | zespri | but it's just a patch isn't it? |
| 07:47.00 | Wulf4 | no, it's the client. users with test account get this client, I'm not sure if it can be played with a regular account, but I guess so. |
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| 07:47.13 | Wulf4 | currently downloading it myself to test it :) |
| 07:47.22 | Wulf4 | 3 hours to go |
| 07:47.24 | zespri | Very interesting |
| 07:47.40 | zespri | how big is this? it has to be about 2-3 GB |
| 07:49.07 | zespri | Wulf4, thanks alot it looks like the real thing =) |
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| 07:50.46 | zespri | and download speed is very decent |
| 07:51.17 | zinor | for what? |
| 07:51.55 | Wulf4 | uhm, what means "decent"? (<-- not native speaker) |
| 07:52.02 | Wulf4 | is it good or bad? |
| 07:52.37 | zespri | good =) |
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| 07:55.11 | zespri | Wulf4, are you german? |
| 07:55.12 | Wulf4 | I need a faster internet line |
| 07:55.15 | Wulf4 | zespri: yes |
| 07:55.58 | zespri | then I guess the right word would be anstaendig. but as a non-speaker I can be wrong =))) |
| 07:58.28 | Wulf4 | dict.leo.org shows me "anstaendig" and "bescheiden", which are opposites :) |
| 07:59.05 | Cairenn|sleep | Mikk1: you aren't the only one that doesn't go to sleep until stupid hours of the morning ;) |
| 07:59.10 | zespri | in this case it;s the first one |
| 07:59.19 | Mikk1 | gnite Cair ;) |
| 07:59.24 | zespri | you see later down it says decent wages - angemessen |
| 07:59.40 | zespri | so this is the meaning I meant =) |
| 08:00.15 | Mikk1 | i can't think of any occasion where decent can mean "less than ok" |
| 08:00.32 | Mikk1 | i can think of "it's ok" and "honorable" |
| 08:00.40 | Mikk1 | as in "decent speed" and "decent chap" |
| 08:01.06 | zespri | decent can mean modest |
| 08:01.15 | Mikk1 | true |
| 08:01.19 | zespri | and modest spead is not something goof |
| 08:01.30 | zespri | and modest speed is not something good |
| 08:01.30 | Mikk1 | well no, not modest per say |
| 08:01.33 | Mikk1 | more like "appropriate" |
| 08:01.41 | Mikk1 | "are you decent<ly dressed>?" |
| 08:02.02 | Mikk1 | or did you have some other example in mind? |
| 08:02.10 | Mikk1 | s/per say/per se/ |
| 08:02.17 | Cairenn|sleep | using that same example, zespri isn't incorrect |
| 08:02.43 | zespri | You know if you say something like "We were in this restourant and the service was modest at best" - you are obviously not prasing the service =) |
| 08:03.05 | Mikk1 | no but if you're saying "the service was decent", you're not saying it's bad |
| 08:03.24 | Cairenn|sleep | but you aren't saying that it's particularly good, either |
| 08:03.33 | Mikk1 | "decent at best" could mean "could have been better", certainly, but you're not really complaining |
| 08:03.46 | Mikk1 | anyway you're adding "at best"... that changes stuff |
| 08:03.57 | Mikk1 | i can't see when "decent" alone means less than ok |
| 08:04.18 | Mikk1 | <- trust the swedish nub to argue the finer points of English... |
| 08:04.32 | Cairenn|sleep | heh |
| 08:05.06 | zespri | lol, it reminds me of the two bline men who discussing what elephant looks like =))) |
| 08:05.15 | zespri | *blind |
| 08:07.38 | zespri | and thank you Cairenn =) |
| 08:08.51 | Mikk1 | Hrm.. why are people hooking ChatFrame:AddMessage when it'd be better to hook ChatFrame:OnEvent? |
| 08:09.00 | Mikk1 | I'm doing it myself... just wondering why |
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| 08:16.36 | Mikk1 | (It's also a hell of a lot easier since you just need to hook a single function) |
| 08:19.16 | zespri | because zillion addons use things like DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage, and if you don;t hook AddMEssage you miss them |
| 08:19.45 | zespri | or they happen in different order? |
| 08:19.54 | Mikk1 | Yeah of course, but if all I care about is actual chat messages ... ? |
| 08:19.55 | zespri | then I'm wrong |
| 08:20.06 | zespri | then sure |
| 08:21.27 | Mikk1 | ( ChatFrame_OnEvent() will call this:AddMessage(...) after reformatting and stuff ) |
| 08:22.47 | zespri | I wasn't wrong but if you care only about real chat messages there is no reason for you to hook into addmessage I beleive |
| 08:25.13 | Wulf4 | 25% of download finished |
| 08:28.36 | zespri | Wulf4 I envy you =) |
| 08:31.25 | Wulf4 | zespri: how fast is your internet line? |
| 08:32.20 | zespri | well, it rarely fater then 100 kB/s |
| 08:33.42 | Wulf4 | mine is ~ 250kb/s |
| 08:34.23 | zespri | I just downloaded german language pack, from blizzard tracker and the speed was awful - about 20kB/s |
| 08:34.42 | zespri | so when I saw 100 kB/s I was happy =) |
| 08:35.28 | zespri | it will be there tomorrow morning (it's evening here now) |
| 08:37.30 | Mikk1 | if you're firewalled, any p2p download speed will suck major arse |
| 08:37.42 | Mikk1 | we're talking a factor of 5-10 here |
| 08:38.22 | zespri | I'm not sure about everybody else, but I have a pretty good idea how bittorrent works =) |
| 08:38.39 | Mikk1 | okay, just saying =) |
| 08:38.48 | zenzelezz | not necessarily actually... with a good torrent you can get very high speeds while firewalled |
| 08:39.04 | krka|work | depends completely on the firewall |
| 08:39.07 | Mikk1 | "good" meaning "there's lots of non-firewalled people downloading it" |
| 08:39.14 | zinor | ya |
| 08:39.14 | krka|work | a firewall can be set up in many many different ways |
| 08:39.18 | zinor | but a lot of things will cap you |
| 08:39.19 | zenzelezz | krka: well, that's a good point - I can only speak from my experience |
| 08:39.33 | zinor | its like your max download is your upload/X |
| 08:39.46 | zenzelezz | with things like eMule I find I'm best off starting five to ten downloads of the same thing and hoping one of them goes through by the next morning |
| 08:39.47 | Mikk1 | where "firewalled" means "inbound torrent port not available" |
| 08:39.53 | zenzelezz | seems to take eons before they even start |
| 08:40.33 | zenzelezz | <Mikk1> "good" meaning "there's lots of non-firewalled people downloading it" <--- I assumed you were only talking about a firewall on your end... but if you mean on all ends, that changes things =D |
| 08:40.36 | zespri | krka, I think when firewalled used in ckonjunction with torrent it means that you are completely unable to accept incoming connections. if you set up your firewal so you can, your torrent download aren;t firewalled anymore |
| 08:40.59 | Mikk1 | precisely zespri |
| 08:41.23 | Mikk1 | zenzelezz: Well, the assumption is that the general populus is already firewalled. Which is normally true =) |
| 08:41.23 | zenzelezz | well duh... if you set your firewall to block port 80 and 21 you might also get some slow download speeds o_O |
| 08:41.52 | krka|work | yeah, not being able to accept is a problem, the pool of available peers gets smaller for you |
| 08:42.01 | Mikk1 | And we all apparently know what we're talking about already so we might just drop this discussion tbh =) |
| 08:42.24 | krka|work | i never know what i am talking about, but i never let that stop me |
| 08:42.28 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 08:42.54 | zenzelezz | the world wouldn't be what it was if everyone knew what they were talking about |
| 08:42.59 | krka|work | see, a firewall isn't like a truck that you can dump stuff in, it's like tubes |
| 08:42.59 | zenzelezz | that's how we discover things! |
| 08:43.09 | zespri | Mikk1, so what are you planning on nuking from wowwiki today? =) |
| 08:43.21 | Mikk1 | Oi! I _added_ to the wiki just now! =) |
| 08:43.28 | Mikk1 | But now that you mention it |
| 08:43.29 | Fanook | vroo |
| 08:43.34 | zespri | Mikk1, omg, you are degrading! |
| 08:43.36 | Mikk1 | There's about 200 crap mod pages that need deleting |
| 08:43.40 | Mikk1 | I need to poke schmidt about that |
| 08:44.11 | zenzelezz | didn't you already do something like that? |
| 08:44.18 | Mikk1 | Yeah I went through and tagged them |
| 08:44.23 | Mikk1 | They just haven't gotten zapped |
| 08:45.31 | zespri | i think I traveled on this zep about 10 time back and forward in a row |
| 08:45.48 | zespri | each time I enter the WoW window I'm o arong end |
| 08:45.57 | krka|work | AbandonShip FTW |
| 08:46.10 | Mikk1 | gifv AS back =( |
| 08:46.36 | Mikk1 | Blizzard should really implement that in-game |
| 08:46.51 | Mikk1 | Just stand some NPC there that you automagically follow as he exits |
| 08:46.57 | zespri | and this herod sholders are starting to piss me off. I think I'll get some random green just to get rid of the, |
| 08:47.25 | zenzelezz | shoulder starting to ache? |
| 08:48.17 | zespri | well, you see the deal is that it called shoulderS but in fact it's just the right shoulder |
| 08:48.30 | zespri | I feel very vulnerable without the left one |
| 08:48.57 | krka|work | blizzard should only have zepps / boats and no birds |
| 08:49.24 | zespri | so you can always jump off? or what's the idea krka? |
| 08:49.38 | Mikk1 | birds > zepps/boats |
| 08:49.41 | krka|work | the idea is that taxi people can make more money! |
| 08:49.49 | Mikk1 | you don't need to wait for the birdie to arrive before you can board |
| 08:50.02 | krka|work | yeah, where is the challenge in that? |
| 08:50.05 | Mikk1 | what birds miss is an "omg argh! turn around!" button |
| 08:50.05 | krka|work | birds are too easy |
| 08:50.33 | krka|work | or atleast a "ok, stop at the next flightmaster" |
| 08:51.08 | zespri | I think reload ui will do it for you |
| 08:51.22 | zespri | at least log off log on will do it for you 100% =) |
| 08:51.56 | krka|work | real userfriendly :( |
| 08:52.16 | zespri | blizzard just added flight connection and ppl immideatley started to complain that they can't get off halfway |
| 08:53.03 | krka|work | autotravel FTW, you can turn around / stop at any time! |
| 08:53.22 | Mikk1 | and also get beaten and/or knocked off your horse =P |
| 08:54.10 | Mikk1 | or, here's my favourite: get stuck behind a pebble and stand around shaking like a spastic |
| 08:54.11 | krka|work | l2makebetterpaths |
| 08:54.11 | Mikk1 | hehe |
| 08:54.12 | Mikk1 | i did, after a while ;) |
| 08:54.36 | krka|work | i learned the hard way from railings in wetlands |
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| 09:12.36 | Karl | anyone have any experience with unix zipping breaking pc and mac icons? |
| 09:12.48 | Mikk1 | o.O |
| 09:12.49 | [anomaly]mybossm | sup |
| 09:13.00 | [anomaly]mybossm | DOes anyone ahve exp in Discord? |
| 09:13.13 | Mikk1 | Karl: has to be a lf->crlf conversion problem |
| 09:13.38 | Mikk1 | Though infozip at least doesn't try to do magic like that |
| 09:13.40 | Mikk1 | afaik |
| 09:13.49 | Karl | as oppossed to zip? |
| 09:14.35 | Mikk1 | "zip -v" .. does it say "Info-ZIP"? |
| 09:15.09 | Karl | huh? |
| 09:15.48 | Mikk1 | just wondering which zipper you're using |
| 09:16.25 | Mikk1 | owait. info-zip actually does have an option for CRLF conversion. but it's not on by default. |
| 09:16.58 | Mikk1 | unless of course your unix system has the ZIPOPT environment variable set to enable it by default |
| 09:17.01 | Mikk1 | which would be ... um.. stupid |
| 09:17.02 | Karl | This is Zip 2.31 (March 8th 2005), by Info-ZIP. |
| 09:17.07 | Mikk1 | k |
| 09:17.38 | Mikk1 | try zipping with -0 |
| 09:17.41 | Mikk1 | (store only) |
| 09:18.28 | Mikk1 | perhaps a more sane explanation would be that those icon files that you have on your unix box are broken to begin with |
| 09:18.34 | Mikk1 | perhaps because of an ASCII FTP upload or something |
| 09:21.47 | Karl | yeah still broken |
| 09:21.57 | Karl | prolyl broken in svn |
| 09:22.12 | Karl | any way to get svn to not upload with ascii? |
| 09:22.27 | [anomaly]mybossm | Hmm, does anyone know someone who is experienced in DiscordUI? |
| 09:22.31 | krka|work | svn generally figures that stuff out on its own |
| 09:23.04 | Mikk1 | [anomaly]mybossm: experienced how? we're mostly mod developers here |
| 09:23.39 | Karl | actually i bet i know why it is |
| 09:23.42 | [anomaly]mybossm | Well I was wondering how on how to do certain things in Discord. |
| 09:23.49 | [anomaly]mybossm | But I didnt know you were MOD devs. |
| 09:24.02 | Mikk1 | we tend to suck on anything we didn't write ourselves =) |
| 09:24.03 | [anomaly]mybossm | I thought some UI designers atleast hung in here. |
| 09:24.16 | Karl | lol.. same thing |
| 09:24.57 | [anomaly]mybossm | I guess I'm going to have to fiddle with it and see what happens, thx for trying though =) |
| 09:32.32 | zinor | almost have wow's clientside db fully mapped in django :) |
| 09:32.48 | zinor | glad i found this wiki |
| 09:32.53 | zinor | would have taken me forever to figure out some of this |
| 09:35.40 | MoonWolf | django ftw ? |
| 09:36.02 | zinor | MoonWolf, depends on the situation :x |
| 09:36.20 | zinor | its been hectic for a few things we've done |
| 09:42.13 | Mikk1 | django? wiki? |
| 09:43.12 | zenzelezz | django seems to be a python-thing; and I believe he's talking of the wiki that describes some of the file formats |
| 09:43.35 | zinor | www.djangoproject.com |
| 09:43.36 | Mikk1 | Arf? Python? Web? WoW? |
| 09:43.44 | zinor | and theres a wiki at hackwow.com that has all the dbc formats |
| 09:43.49 | zinor | ya its a python framework |
| 09:43.54 | zinor | like ruby on rails i guess you could say |
| 09:43.55 | Mikk1 | Whatcha doing? |
| 09:44.01 | zinor | we're making a database on curse |
| 09:44.04 | Mikk1 | o |
| 09:44.06 | zinor | since all the sites are owned by ige :s |
| 09:44.11 | zenzelezz | somehow I can never hear "Ruby on rails" and not think it's a book title |
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| 10:21.17 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 10:39.32 | [anomaly]mybossm | Hai |
| 11:09.32 | Wulf4 | zespri: download finished :> |
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| 11:18.45 | Mikk1 | morning sine |
| 11:22.09 | [anomaly]mybossm | ? |
| 11:22.24 | [anomaly]mybossm | too bad serves are going down |
| 11:22.34 | [anomaly]mybossm | I wanted to work some-more Im my UI :( |
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| 12:01.50 | Qzot | Later, guys. Time for beddie-bye. |
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| 12:42.33 | Mikk1 | Kirkbum! |
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| 12:51.23 | Kirkburn | Silly Mikk1 |
| 12:51.33 | Kirkburn | At least I don't keep a number in my name =) |
| 12:51.44 | Kirkburn | (until I get disconnected again, anyway :) |
| 12:52.38 | Mikk1 | ~last mikk |
| 12:53.26 | Mikk1 | NickServNickname: Mikk |
| 12:53.26 | Mikk1 | NickServRegistered: 1 year 1 week 2 days (3h 32m 29s) ago |
| 12:53.26 | Mikk1 | NickServLast Seen: 7 weeks 4 days (19h 13m 36s) ago |
| 12:53.39 | Mikk1 | can someone tell me what those numbers in parenthesis mean? |
| 12:54.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | does this network cancel accounts after a certain amount of not being reg'd with nickserv? D: |
| 12:54.20 | Mikk1 | yes |
| 12:54.23 | Mikk1 | 60 days iirc |
| 12:54.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's probably just the remaining time |
| 12:54.46 | Mikk1 | doesn't make sense either |
| 12:54.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | 7w 4d 19h 13m 36s |
| 12:55.01 | Mikk1 | .... |
| 12:55.02 | Mikk1 | doh |
| 12:55.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | just for some reason using parenthesis for the hours and smaller |
| 12:55.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | no clue why |
| 12:55.42 | Mikk1 | so.. in 6 days i get my nick =) |
| 12:55.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | lol |
| 12:56.23 | MIkk | zomg stoeled |
| 12:56.29 | MIkk | someone owns this @_@ |
| 12:56.30 | Mikk1 | NO YOU DONT! |
| 12:56.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was MLKK :P |
| 12:57.02 | Mikk1 | o =) |
| 12:57.07 | Mikk1 | l |
| 12:57.09 | Mikk1 | i |
| 12:57.16 | Mikk1 | no it wasn't |
| 12:57.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | whoa almost made an unintentional racist comment from that acronym |
| 12:59.31 | Mikk1 | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userexpirations .. yeah, 60 days |
| 12:59.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | my other irc server is like 10 days |
| 13:00.00 | Mikk1 | that's a bit evil |
| 13:00.03 | Mikk1 | can't even go on a bloody vacation |
| 13:00.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've been registered since '02 there, and lost the registration once |
| 13:00.24 | Mikk1 | without some linux scripting anyway ;) |
| 13:00.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | went on vacation sometime in late '02 and lost my '01 registration |
| 13:00.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause power went out while i was gone |
| 13:00.51 | Mikk1 | ... doh |
| 13:00.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ oh well, not like it matters, it's a pretty small network |
| 13:01.03 | Mikk1 | 30-60 days is ok imo |
| 13:01.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | it used to be a pretty big network back in the heydays of Tribes, but no longer :[ |
| 13:02.08 | Mikk1 | heh. i never played tribes. i played UT =P |
| 13:02.48 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.35 | Mikk1 | Even made it to #2 spot in the Domination ladder once. The #1 was held by my work mate. After a work party, we went to the office and played UT all night while semi-drunk =P |
| 13:04.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i played UT on the dreamcast and PC |
| 13:04.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | never competitively on either |
| 13:04.51 | Mikk1 | Unfortunately, we'd both tacked "[Drunk]" after our names so it never really did become official statistic =P |
| 13:05.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | lol |
| 13:09.38 | net\afk | wereHamster |
| 13:09.43 | net\afk | do you know GIGA tv? |
| 13:16.17 | s|loup | lol |
| 13:16.28 | net\afk | loup you know them? |
| 13:16.30 | net\afk | ;= |
| 13:16.45 | Wulf4 | zespri: I can confirm that my torrent works. you'll need to download another 400 mb (patch to 1.11) |
| 13:16.57 | s|loup | i hoped i can forget them ^^ |
| 13:17.02 | net\afk | why? |
| 13:17.12 | net\afk | they invited me for one of their tv show |
| 13:17.16 | s|loup | i dont liked the moderators |
| 13:17.26 | net\afk | what s wrong with them? |
| 13:17.28 | zinor | ut was on dreamcast? |
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| 13:17.42 | s|loup | oh its working anymore? |
| 13:17.51 | s|loup | i thought they had quit the show |
| 13:18.03 | wereHamster | net\afk, yes, but I don't watch it |
| 13:18.15 | net\afk | alright |
| 13:19.11 | s|loup | most of the moderators are not notably competent i think |
| 13:19.26 | net\afk | hm |
| 13:19.45 | net\afk | they invited me to talk about addons and the site but i would like to make a guild raid streaming |
| 13:19.46 | net\afk | at the same time |
| 13:19.58 | net\afk | i think it would be cool ;) |
| 13:20.23 | s|loup | hm as i know they have streamed some time ago raids to mc, bwl or aq |
| 13:20.29 | net\afk | yep |
| 13:20.55 | s|loup | but i didnt seen it |
| 13:20.55 | net\afk | i m sure they can take 50k+ users |
| 13:20.57 | Kirkburn | That sounds really cool |
| 13:21.03 | net\afk | they are the gaming tv channel of NBC europe |
| 13:21.19 | Wobin | Wow. |
| 13:21.25 | Wobin | All automatic too! |
| 13:21.27 | s|loup | and some of my raid members were poke fun about the streams |
| 13:22.29 | netcurse | germans are really so far ahead of all the gaming stuff |
| 13:22.32 | netcurse | nearly like korean |
| 13:22.42 | netcurse | great to live in germany ;) |
| 13:23.50 | s|loup | hm i think we just copy the koreans in a simple way ^^ |
| 13:24.33 | s|loup | koreans have a 24 hours tv broadcast for games ? |
| 13:24.40 | netcurse | ya |
| 13:24.50 | netcurse | and in one of the main tv channel |
| 13:24.55 | netcurse | between 19-20h |
| 13:24.57 | netcurse | ie primetime |
| 13:25.09 | netcurse | you have gaming stuff like lineage2 starcraft etc ;) |
| 13:25.26 | s|loup | and we have just a 2-4 hours broadcast on a channel who can get only 5% |
| 13:26.26 | s|loup | so we have a long way to obtain the korean style ^^ |
| 13:26.53 | Wobin | That's kinda scary =) |
| 13:27.19 | Mikk1 | i _did_ say that korean gaming > * |
| 13:27.57 | Mikk1 | and 8Mbit ADSL is low-end broadband there =P |
| 13:28.37 | s|loup | is there a us version like the koreans tv channel? |
| 13:28.39 | Mikk1 | (granted. it's low-end here to.... *twiddles thumbs waiting for 24Mbit upgrade*) |
| 13:29.02 | netcurse | in paris we have 24mbit since 2 years |
| 13:29.03 | Mikk1 | (*misses his 100Mbit hookup in previous apartment*) |
| 13:29.17 | netcurse | eru svensk? |
| 13:29.24 | Mikk1 | ja ;) |
| 13:29.31 | netcurse | tjena |
| 13:29.46 | netcurse | <- lived in sweden for some month ;p |
| 13:30.08 | Mikk1 | heh, whaddayaknow ;) |
| 13:30.17 | netcurse | had my girlfriend there |
| 13:30.48 | Mikk1 | I'm out in the bush though |
| 13:30.50 | Mikk1 | Small town up north |
| 13:30.56 | krka|work | Boden? |
| 13:30.56 | netcurse | i was in Mora |
| 13:30.57 | netcurse | lol |
| 13:31.07 | Mikk1 | Not quite that small =) |
| 13:31.19 | krka|work | Piteå? |
| 13:31.33 | Mikk1 | Getting closer but further south. Örnsköldsvik. |
| 13:31.42 | krka|work | oh, near umeå |
| 13:31.51 | krka|work | i actually have relatives there O_o |
| 13:32.39 | Mikk1 | It's an exceedingly small world ^^ |
| 13:33.27 | Mikk1 | Like a bunch of guildies of mine.. Took me about a month to realize that they were actually swedish.... and then a few more months to realize that they all live an hours' drive away. |
| 13:48.11 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:48.18 | Wobin | our guild started the other way |
| 13:48.29 | Wobin | granted, we're all from a previous MUD |
| 13:48.44 | Wobin | but we started out by figuring out that we all went to the same uni =P |
| 13:54.21 | zinor | aardwolf was a fun mud |
| 13:54.23 | zinor | i remember playing that |
| 14:04.23 | Wobin | We were on one called Discworld |
| 14:04.47 | Wobin | most of us were Creators on it at some point of time |
| 14:04.58 | Wobin | (and/or still are) |
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| 14:50.28 | Tain | Good Q&A with Firefox co-founder Blake Ross. I found it an interesting read. |
| 14:50.28 | Tain | http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/104679.asp |
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| 15:15.00 | Kaso | Ive hooked ItemRefTooltip to add some info to it, however when you click on the item again that would normally close the tooltip it doesnt with my hook, ive tried putting a IsVisible check on my Info Adding Function but that doesnt help |
| 15:25.27 | KaeltenAway | kaso look at the tooltip code in KC_Items's tooltip module |
| 15:25.58 | Kirkburn | If anyone remembers the CloneBot thing from a couple of days ago ... he changed the name :P It's now Master of Slaves (http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2802) |
| 15:26.14 | zenzelezz | better name now |
| 15:26.31 | Kirkburn | Less controversial anyway :) |
| 15:31.18 | Cairenn | if you guys say so |
| 15:33.17 | krka | should be called dominatrix or something instead |
| 15:33.45 | Cairenn | heh |
| 15:34.45 | Cairenn | okay, anyone able to help me out here? I am *trying* to find the home site for Spalding *Tents*, but all I can find is their sports site |
| 15:35.34 | Cairenn | I need to replace one of the tension poles, but that's hard to do if I can't find the home page for their tents |
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| 15:43.21 | zinor | ugh i hate people, some dumb ex-curse admin is trying to cause trouble |
| 15:43.41 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 15:44.08 | zinor | they're saying we "hacked" their website and mass emailed a bunch of sites, yet somehow we mass emailed ourselves too.. |
| 15:44.13 | zinor | ig ot like 5k emails from their stupid site |
| 15:44.48 | netcurse | let s nvm it anyway this guy is bastard... |
| 15:44.51 | zinor | its funny because this same site took screenshots of our database, posted them on their site, with big fat gold ads right under them, how lame is that? |
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| 15:45.29 | zenzelezz | screenshots of your database? |
| 15:45.32 | netcurse | Zinor i vote we don t make a big deal of out it and we meet him irl in paris next week |
| 15:45.35 | zinor | ya |
| 15:45.38 | zinor | lol |
| 15:45.39 | netcurse | to clear thing |
| 15:45.46 | Cairenn | zinor: as I just said to net - that really sucks, sorry to hear it |
| 15:45.55 | zinor | :s |
| 15:45.59 | zinor | stupid people |
| 15:46.00 | zinor | oh well |
| 15:46.03 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 15:46.16 | netcurse | when i think i considered him as a friend i event slept multple time as his house, now that he is using google adsense he is just being a jerk ;( |
| 15:46.41 | netcurse | let s go watch germany vs itality it will change our mind ;) |
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| 15:46.49 | netcurse | have fun girls and boy |
| 15:46.55 | Cairenn | later netcurse |
| 15:47.42 | zinor | did you get emails too Cairenn? |
| 15:47.45 | zinor | in the file they show your name |
| 15:47.55 | Cairenn | haven't seen any |
| 15:47.57 | zinor | my gmail is like 4 hours behind because of this >< |
| 15:48.04 | Cairenn | UGH |
| 15:48.07 | zinor | i ordered something at like noon |
| 15:48.12 | zinor | and i just now got the receipt :s |
| 15:48.33 | ToastTheif | it's 15 mins til noon here =P |
| 15:48.38 | zinor | 6pm here almost :) |
| 15:49.13 | Cairenn | I've got some pretty decent spam filters on my email though, they may be getting blocked right at the source |
| 15:49.34 | zinor | ya mine went to junk mail right away |
| 15:49.40 | zinor | but still lagged my email :x |
| 15:49.42 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 15:49.59 | Cairenn | looks like my client is blocking them from even getting that far though, which is nice |
| 15:50.05 | zinor | :) |
| 15:50.17 | Cairenn | either that, or they aren't spamming me at all, one of the two |
| 15:50.17 | zinor | cairenn@wowinterface.com right? |
| 15:50.19 | zinor | thats the email they show |
| 15:50.22 | Cairenn | that's me |
| 15:50.46 | zinor | at least you didnt have the problems then :) |
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| 16:38.36 | MoonWolf | hmmm |
| 16:38.42 | MoonWolf | i never got those emails. |
| 16:39.00 | MoonWolf | were they sent only to website owners ? |
| 16:39.42 | Cairenn | rofl MoonWolf, you sound disappointed! |
| 16:39.47 | MoonWolf | yes |
| 16:39.51 | MoonWolf | im not important enough! |
| 16:39.56 | MoonWolf | :P |
| 16:40.54 | MoonWolf | like how i went from third to first person in that sentence. |
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| 16:41.48 | MoonWolf | that is completly sane compared to the v1a grza - ch1 ks wi ll f lock @T yo urr f3 et |
| 16:41.58 | Cairenn | like as in "are you impressed" or "for example" |
| 16:42.21 | MoonWolf | for example mostly |
| 16:42.25 | Cairenn | ;) |
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| 16:59.10 | zenzelezz | I always wonder how they determine what spam to send you |
| 16:59.21 | zenzelezz | I'm getting a lot of "How I legally rob banks" mails these days |
| 17:00.01 | Kaso | well dont leave us hanging, how *do* you legally rob a bank? |
| 17:00.37 | zenzelezz | the mail doesn't say... I'd have to reply (and probably pay and whatnot) to find out :-p |
| 17:00.39 | zenzelezz | like all spam |
| 17:01.16 | zenzelezz | but for what it's worth, he couldn't believe how easy it was!! |
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| 17:17.17 | MoonWolf | zenzelezz, lol |
| 17:17.23 | MoonWolf | if you ever find out |
| 17:17.24 | MoonWolf | tell us. |
| 17:18.29 | Kirkburn | If it was 'legal' ... hwo could it be robbing? |
| 17:26.34 | MoonWolf | that's what we want to know. |
| 17:28.15 | Cairenn | robbing? legal? |
| 17:28.23 | Gngsk | only for robin hood |
| 17:32.11 | Kirkburn | You missed lots =) Three hundred lepers were cured, we all formed a conga-line (with the ex-lepers) and went on holiday. |
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| 17:32.44 | krka | i must have missed that too |
| 17:35.08 | krka | err, thanks MentalPower |
| 17:35.12 | MentalPower | np |
| 17:46.35 | MentalPower | Cair, you around? |
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| 18:01.09 | Thrae|Zzz | Hmmm. Is "I like to inject my magical essence into the females." too strong an innuendo for Innervating Priestesses? |
| 18:04.50 | Codayus | I would lean to "no, not too strong". |
| 18:04.53 | Codayus | Depends on your guild. |
| 18:07.10 | krka | i'd say yes it is |
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| 19:12.28 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Mod Dev Discussions |
| 19:27.31 | chuckg | What do you guys think of my latest creation? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5687685371243314161 |
| 19:28.27 | Shadowed | Is that noth? |
| 19:28.39 | Shadowed | Noth + abom trash before patchwerk? |
| 19:30.11 | Shadowed | also, die warlock :( |
| 19:30.13 | chuckg | And patch. |
| 19:30.22 | chuckg | The end is one of us kiting patchwerk solo. |
| 19:30.25 | chuckg | :) |
| 19:30.41 | Shadowed | cry |
| 19:30.46 | Shadowed | 25g repair bills from nax suck :( |
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| 19:58.47 | SinePi | Hmm. I'm trying to recreate the usual loot-all action. Why does LootButton1:Click() do nothing at all..? |
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| 20:01.25 | Mikk1 | Because it needs a mouse event? |
| 20:02.07 | SinePi | Oh. That simple, eh? So if I executed that from a button, it'd work? |
| 20:02.24 | Mikk1 | Should work if you hit enter in the chat box too tbh |
| 20:02.29 | Mikk1 | It needs user input is what i'm saying |
| 20:02.40 | Mikk1 | (if i recall correctly, anyway) |
| 20:02.46 | hyperChipmunk | it just doesn't work on the loot buttons |
| 20:02.50 | SinePi | But if that's so... it'd be impossible to "loot all", as that would involve multiple actions. |
| 20:03.01 | SinePi | how the heck does looting all work, then... |
| 20:03.02 | hyperChipmunk | you can't script any of the looting process |
| 20:03.10 | Mikk1 | SinePi: built into the game client |
| 20:03.12 | hyperChipmunk | I tried =\ |
| 20:03.14 | SinePi | drat. |
| 20:03.38 | hyperChipmunk | spent the last week trying to manipulate it in any way at all, failed miserably on all attempts |
| 20:03.40 | Mikk1 | hehe.. another dev that wants to do "skip the junk" loot bites the dust =) |
| 20:04.10 | SinePi | And I wanted something perfectly valid gamewise: add a "loot all" button, for those who feel it sometimes easier to do two clicks than hold a shift key |
| 20:04.32 | Mikk1 | Aye. Should be allowed to do several loot events (and nothing but loot) from user input imo |
| 20:04.40 | Mikk1 | Doesn't change mechanics |
| 20:05.12 | Mikk1 | Or, heck, allowing e.g. ctrl+click on a corpse to do selective programmed looting |
| 20:05.13 | SinePi | well, loot-all-but-junk isn't VERY valid, iyam :> |
| 20:06.14 | Mikk1 | Well no but since we can already loot everything with one button... |
| 20:06.27 | Mikk1 | Looting less-then-everything with a single button hardly breaks anything |
| 20:06.28 | SinePi | that's a "stupid" button. You want a "wise" button :) |
| 20:06.38 | Mikk1 | And? =P |
| 20:06.58 | SinePi | <blizzard> stupid is good. wise is bad. </bliz> |
| 20:07.18 | Mikk1 | Fwiw, not looting vendortrash is un-wise |
| 20:07.21 | Mikk1 | less cash |
| 20:07.48 | Wobin | rofl |
| 20:07.51 | Wobin | "James is forced to say "Pick one! Shave or don't shave, but commit! The stubble is KILLING ME!" I cannot blame him. If Stubbela, Queen of Sandpaper, appeared in a comic book, she'd have been a villain. |
| 20:07.51 | Wobin | Not that he gets off scott-free on the wax front. The wax is a trifle messy, it sticks to things like, well, wax and I learned I had not cleaned up thoroughly when the plaintive cry came from the bathroom--"OH MY GOD! Why am I welded to the floor?!" " |
| 20:08.05 | Mikk1 | The silly thing is that you can record stuff that's looted via chat messages, and then autojunk it from your inventory. |
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| 20:36.03 | Osagasu | whee! Epix! |
| 20:36.06 | Osagasu | 8) |
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| 21:28.30 | Industrial | How do I see if a unit has a certain buff? search through UnitBuff()[1] ? |
| 21:28.35 | Industrial | err |
| 21:28.43 | Industrial | the first return value |
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| 21:34.36 | ckknight | Happy America Day |
| 21:34.49 | krka | sad day for germany :( |
| 21:34.59 | zespri | Wulf4 - yeah I knew about that - you can't play on 1.11 server with 1.9 patch |
| 21:35.35 | Mikk1 | Industrial: Yes |
| 21:37.23 | Industrial | Mikk1: so with certainty a string search for a buff name given the buff name is correct will always be found if the buff is active? |
| 21:38.10 | Mikk1 | As far as I know, yes, but I've never written such a mod myself |
| 21:38.26 | Industrial | k |
| 21:38.32 | krka | crap, germany lost |
| 21:38.39 | Industrial | im just automating grinding |
| 21:38.39 | Industrial | :P |
| 21:38.41 | krka | i had mostly germans chosen |
| 21:38.43 | krka | :( |
| 21:38.45 | Industrial | krka: MUAHHAHAHA OWNED |
| 21:39.08 | Mikk1 | Cool. Thottbot's spell listings use the built-in icon names |
| 21:39.21 | krka | indeed |
| 21:39.42 | Mikk1 | Spell_Shadow_BurningSpirit(.jpg) |
| 21:40.54 | Industrial | Mikk1: k :) |
| 21:41.08 | krka | i'm still betting on germany in the bronze match though |
| 21:46.19 | Mikk1 | Industrial: Erhm.. On the condition that you don't have too many buffs. |
| 21:46.30 | Mikk1 | Though I suppose if you have too many buffs, the buff actually gets knocked off |
| 21:46.40 | Mikk1 | So I guess it'd be correct anyway |
| 21:51.42 | Industrial | 16 buffs 16 debuffs right? |
| 21:52.15 | Mikk1 | aye |
| 21:52.18 | Mikk1 | for players |
| 21:52.28 | Mikk1 | and npcs now |
| 21:54.57 | MoonWolf | night people |
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| 22:12.58 | Industrial | Hmm, how would I check if meelee mode is on.. |
| 22:13.59 | zespri_work | what is melee mode |
| 22:14.03 | Mikk1 | Go look at the old DefendYourself |
| 22:14.10 | Mikk1 | zenzelezz: if you're hitting something |
| 22:14.21 | zespri_work | old? does it imply that there is a new? |
| 22:14.28 | zespri_work | what's the difference? |
| 22:14.29 | SinePi | no, old as obsolete |
| 22:14.42 | Industrial | its not obsolete |
| 22:14.43 | zespri_work | why would DY be obsolete? |
| 22:14.43 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:15.06 | Industrial | hmm |
| 22:15.11 | krka | melee mode is on? as in auto-attack? |
| 22:15.13 | Industrial | i have idAutoAttack |
| 22:15.15 | Industrial | yes |
| 22:15.25 | Industrial | but I need to register events for that |
| 22:15.31 | krka | easiest is to use the action slot, if any |
| 22:15.36 | Industrial | This is just a macro to decide what to do :| |
| 22:15.50 | Industrial | well, macro, Clique script |
| 22:16.34 | Industrial | ( http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5108 ) |
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| 22:16.49 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 22:17.04 | SinePi | Hmmmm. |
| 22:17.20 | SinePi | Speaking of combat mode. |
| 22:17.30 | Industrial | Im trying to make a script for grinding with my druid |
| 22:17.30 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:17.40 | SinePi | Is there a way (or just a simple setting?) to NOT enter melee combat when casting a spell? |
| 22:18.04 | SinePi | From 1.11, my priest keeps trying to use her staff whenever I enter a battle by casting... |
| 22:18.14 | SinePi | ... or has it been always like that and I'm a supreme idiot king? |
| 22:18.29 | Industrial | if im attacking do a demoralizing roar, then maul till death, caster form, heal if hp is below whatever percent and do it all over again |
| 22:18.36 | Industrial | with 1 button |
| 22:18.37 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:19.13 | Industrial | SinePi: must be an addon, my driod doesnt do that |
| 22:19.29 | SinePi | hmm. Must browse my 20+ addons then. hmhm. |
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| 22:25.28 | Mikk1 | Cairenn: Why are outdated mods that haven't been updated for 15 months being displayed in the "Interface Spotlight"? o.O |
| 22:26.31 | Shadowed | They're just that good? |
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| 22:35.17 | Cairenn | bleh |
| 22:41.10 | Mikk1 | o. cool. new utorrent versions handle RSS feeds nicely =) |
| 22:45.31 | Kirkburn | I'm happy with IE7s =) You may now take aim ... |
| 22:45.47 | Kirkburn | s/7s/7's/ |
| 22:56.26 | Kirkburn | Crud ... how do I respond to this: http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1424 |
| 22:58.51 | Mikk1 | What are the embedding restrictions in the fonts? |
| 22:59.31 | Kirkburn | Whatever he said |
| 22:59.45 | Kirkburn | I'm going to delete the comment and send him a PM |
| 22:59.51 | Mikk1 | Tbh he's probably right |
| 23:00.04 | Kirkburn | He is, but I don't understand why he felt he needed to say it? |
| 23:00.11 | Mikk1 | =P |
| 23:01.43 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Miravlix (i=dragon@65.23.154.62) |
| 23:02.56 | Kirkburn | I mean, seriously, if he's not a representative of MS ... why did he feel the need to post it? |
| 23:03.14 | Mikk1 | Some people are like that |
| 23:03.31 | Miravlix | He prolly thought it would get him more sex |
| 23:03.33 | Kirkburn | Love to rain on other's parades |
| 23:03.59 | Kirkburn | Miravlix, you don't even know what I'm talking about :P |
| 23:04.17 | Miravlix | Thats never stopped you before, so why me? :) |
| 23:04.23 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 23:04.55 | zespri_work | Well, he may feel that what you are doing is wrong, and he is a type of person that tried to fix wrong things when he sees them if he can. I can understand that |
| 23:04.59 | Kirkburn | There was a guy screaming about how I shouldn't be using the font I use |
| 23:05.31 | Kirkburn | True, but that kind of thing is more appropriate for PMs rather than attempting some kind of self-righteous crusade |
| 23:05.40 | Miravlix | Fonts is a horrible tricky legal landmine. |
| 23:05.54 | Miravlix | Some UK company just found out it was using 39000 illegal fonts |
| 23:06.28 | Kirkburn | Oh, I know I'm not exactly using it legally, but I'm not putting them up as a download source, nor am I advertising it |
| 23:06.33 | Miravlix | But isn't the availble fonts Blizzards problem with your addon, so you avoid any legality |
| 23:06.49 | Mikk1 | Kirkburn distributes the font with his addon |
| 23:06.59 | Miravlix | Eww, sounds muddy and bad |
| 23:07.00 | Mikk1 | Or? |
| 23:07.16 | Mikk1 | Do you? |
| 23:07.19 | Kirkburn | yeah |
| 23:07.28 | Kirkburn | But renamed |
| 23:07.44 | Mikk1 | Here's a solution: Stop distributing it with the addon. Point at a download source =P |
| 23:08.00 | Kirkburn | i.e. please download Office 2007 to use ClearFont :P |
| 23:08.13 | Mikk1 | Or find a nice free font |
| 23:08.17 | Miravlix | Someone is going to sue you, they are mighty picky about abuse of there fonts |
| 23:08.35 | Miravlix | Not to mention all sites that have your addon is in trouble |
| 23:08.55 | Kirkburn | No, they'd send a takedown notice first |
| 23:09.35 | Miravlix | Being associated with criminal activity is not a good thing for many |
| 23:09.39 | Kirkburn | MS are picky about use of their fonts? |
| 23:09.46 | Miravlix | They might have sponsors and others that care |
| 23:09.50 | Cairenn | ummm, yeah |
| 23:09.51 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 23:09.56 | Miravlix | VERY! |
| 23:10.07 | Kirkburn | Please explain? |
| 23:10.10 | Miravlix | They removed there font from download a few years ago |
| 23:10.12 | Cairenn | MS is *very* protective of anything that is "theirs" |
| 23:10.16 | Miravlix | fonts |
| 23:10.38 | Miravlix | They killed there internet font package too, closing down on them |
| 23:10.49 | Kirkburn | I'm not acting as a download source |
| 23:10.56 | Miravlix | Cairenn is |
| 23:11.00 | Kirkburn | I do not say that you can get the MS fonts here |
| 23:11.03 | Miravlix | When she hot it? |
| 23:11.03 | Kirkburn | No, I don't mean that |
| 23:11.22 | Cairenn | Cairenn is what? |
| 23:11.23 | Kirkburn | I mean that I'm not saying "Come here, I've got the new MS fonts for you!" |
| 23:11.32 | zespri_work | das update wird heruntergelanden. Great. another 450MB and I win! |
| 23:11.45 | Kirkburn | I will start looking for a replacement, though, I suppose |
| 23:11.46 | Mikk1 | http://www.1001freefonts.com/ |
| 23:11.51 | Miravlix | Kirkburns addon is in legal trouble for distributing fonts without a license. |
| 23:12.00 | Kirkburn | No it isn't |
| 23:12.11 | Kirkburn | It isn't until MS tell me so |
| 23:12.34 | Miravlix | So you performing criminals acts isn't bad until someone notice? |
| 23:12.41 | Miravlix | Where did you pickup that logic |
| 23:12.45 | Kirkburn | I will point out that in 6 months it will be included in Vista and Office 2007 and MS want it to be the standard font for the future |
| 23:13.06 | Kirkburn | No, that's not what you said |
| 23:13.06 | zespri_work | http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html |
| 23:13.11 | MentalPower | just like thy want Airal Unicode MS to be the standard unicode font |
| 23:13.25 | Miravlix | You need to talk to a real lawyer about this |
| 23:13.32 | MentalPower | that doesn't limit them from licensing it at $99 for a 5seat license |
| 23:14.20 | Kirkburn | Why must you suddenly explode this into something it isn't :/ |
| 23:14.40 | Miravlix | I want to use Bittorrents Cybersomething font, but it aint working in Putty. :p |
| 23:14.56 | Kirkburn | Yes, I realise the legal issues ... yes, I would like to find a replacement. |
| 23:15.07 | Cairenn | I would still like to know "Cairenn is" what? |
| 23:15.13 | Kirkburn | However, I have not had the time, nor have I need to |
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| 23:15.23 | Kirkburn | (Cairenn is ... hosting it) |
| 23:15.25 | Miravlix | Your distributing copyrighted material without a license. |
| 23:15.59 | Kirkburn | As is fontabulous, I would guess =) |
| 23:16.13 | MentalPower | or mote precicely WoWI is |
| 23:16.24 | MentalPower | s/mote/more/ |
| 23:17.18 | Miravlix | Whatever it's a MP3, Word, or a font there is a legal implication and you need to get some solid legal advice beyond this channel discussing it. |
| 23:17.45 | Kirkburn | Look, I am not in need of legal advice, okay? |
| 23:18.57 | Kirkburn | I *know* what the situation is ... and it hasn't been an issue since september, so it's not suddenly going to become one in the next hour |
| 23:24.31 | Kirkburn | I think I shall take my leave now =) Thanks for the link btw, Mikk1 |
| 23:25.42 | Miravlix | Aww, here we all get the chance to be pretend lawyers and then it's over. |
| 23:25.57 | Kirkburn | Just you =) |
| 23:29.50 | Miravlix | I never played lawyer, I told you to get a real one. :p |
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| 23:30.51 | Kirkburn1 | Bloody disconnects :P |
| 23:31.16 | Miravlix | I know for a fact that in Linux we download the fonts with a special package, because it's not legal to distribute the MS font package that includes Ariel. |
| 23:31.55 | Miravlix | So they made a program that downloads them from a source that can legaly distribute them |
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| 23:34.26 | Kirov | I just found something mildly interesting to any hunter mod authors |
| 23:34.33 | SinePi | that is? |
| 23:34.55 | Kirov | GetRaidRosterInfo()'s isDead value doesn't return 1 if you're FD, unlike every other health or "dead" check |
| 23:35.39 | SinePi | "that's a f**king 50 BSP minus!" |
| 23:35.44 | Mikk1 | Well, if he's a guildie, he's of your own faction, so easier to just UnitBuff("target")~=nil :-) |
| 23:36.01 | SinePi | with BSP being blizzard sanity points. |
| 23:36.20 | Mikk1 | UnitBuff("target",1)~=nil even |
| 23:36.32 | Mikk1 | (Or is feign a debuff? Nm.. either way) |
| 23:36.56 | Miravlix | You loss all buffs when you die? |
| 23:37.27 | End-sleep | not all buffs |
| 23:37.36 | End | flasks stay |
| 23:37.44 | Miravlix | Hmm, then how would that UnitBuff check work |
| 23:37.45 | Kirov | Mikk1 = Except that there's a lag between dead / health checks and buffs |
| 23:37.46 | Mikk1 | Arf good point |
| 23:37.58 | Mikk1 | Would need to scan for the feign buff |
| 23:38.02 | Mikk1 | Pretty easy anyway |
| 23:38.03 | Kirov | And you're assuming they have any buffs to begin with |
| 23:38.54 | Mikk1 | No, I was assuming that having a buff would be proof of feigning |
| 23:39.00 | Mikk1 | (Feign being a buff) |
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| 23:39.05 | Mikk1 | I forgot about flasks |
| 23:41.05 | zespri_work | is there a simple way to get target's class (if the target is a enemy player) ? |
| 23:41.19 | Kirov | unitclass |
| 23:41.38 | zespri_work | cheers |
| 23:41.46 | End | with the U and C capitalized (obviously?) |
| 23:42.26 | zespri_work | he gave me enough information to look it up on WowWiki |
| 23:43.49 | MentalPower | theres even a non-localized second return from that function |
| 23:43.49 | MentalPower | really useful |
| 23:44.07 | End | yeah, doing your own localization can suck |
| 23:44.29 | MentalPower | tell me about it |
| 23:48.32 | Kirov | anyways, was on the phone. |
| 23:49.29 | Kirov | When a player gets up from being FD, the UNIT_HEALTH event lags behind the UNIT_AURA event |
| 23:49.51 | Kirov | So a hunter can appear "dead" for up to a second after getting back up from FD |
| 23:52.49 | Kirkburn1 | Shocking: http://baghdadgirl.blogspot.com/ |
| 23:54.33 | Kirkburn1 | (actually, I do recommend that link ... the text parts make for sobering reading) |
| 23:59.57 | Kirkburn1 | (especially the August 26th post) |
