| 00:00.05 | Legorol | oh, and another thing that came up in this conversation: |
| 00:00.07 | Mikk1 | Well, any form of hash needs some amount of brute force. What weaknesses do is lmiit the amount of work you need to do |
| 00:00.13 | Legorol | yeah |
| 00:00.28 | Legorol | this friend was the uber-cracker, because he got hold of The Salt |
| 00:00.30 | Mikk1 | Knock 2 bits off and you knock 75% of the time off |
| 00:00.34 | Mikk1 | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 00:00.43 | Mikk1 | Yeah that's a real feat =) |
| 00:00.43 | Legorol | my poor guildie thinks that getting hold of the super secret salt means you cracked the password |
| 00:01.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.05 | Legorol | granted that getting the salt goes a long way |
| 00:01.08 | Legorol | but still |
| 00:01.12 | Legorol | i feel sorry for my guildie |
| 00:01.21 | Mikk1 | yeah but .. urm.. it kinda .. tends to be readily readable plaintext |
| 00:01.27 | Mikk1 | otherwise it kinda doesn't work =) |
| 00:01.36 | Legorol | i thought that was usually just thhe password itself |
| 00:01.43 | Legorol | is the salt available to end users? |
| 00:01.46 | Mikk1 | yes |
| 00:01.51 | Legorol | only the login program needs to have access to it, no? |
| 00:02.00 | Mikk1 | yes |
| 00:02.07 | Legorol | and that one can have, whatsitcalled setuid or something |
| 00:02.09 | Mikk1 | if you have /etc/password, anyone can read it |
| 00:02.18 | Legorol | the salt is in there? |
| 00:02.18 | Mikk1 | if you have /etc/shadow, only the login prog can |
| 00:02.18 | Legorol | right |
| 00:02.29 | Mikk1 | what it does is... |
| 00:02.32 | Legorol | oh, can you explain to me how /etc/shadow works? |
| 00:02.40 | Mikk1 | if i don't have a salt, "badpassword" will always become 012312371237173 |
| 00:02.40 | Legorol | i know how the plain /etc/password works.. well i know roughly |
| 00:02.50 | Legorol | yes i know the purpose of a salt |
| 00:02.53 | Legorol | you can skip that part :) |
| 00:03.17 | Mikk1 | but with a salt, instead of hashing "badpassword" you hash "<salt>badpassword". but the login prog needs to know what the salt is, so it gets stored right next to the hash |
| 00:03.19 | Mikk1 | k |
| 00:03.28 | Legorol | right |
| 00:03.37 | Legorol | so in old style /etc/password, the salt is right there in plain text? |
| 00:03.42 | Legorol | i'm astounded |
| 00:03.42 | Mikk1 | yea |
| 00:03.45 | Mikk1 | can't really do it any other way |
| 00:03.53 | Legorol | hmm |
| 00:03.59 | Legorol | please elaborate, that bit i'm puzzled about |
| 00:04.00 | Mikk1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.07 | Legorol | right |
| 00:04.17 | Legorol | and /etc/shadow is only accessible to login? |
| 00:04.23 | Legorol | that's exactly what i had in mind.. |
| 00:04.25 | Mikk1 | system processes but yeah |
| 00:04.28 | Mikk1 | root |
| 00:04.35 | Legorol | i'm amused |
| 00:04.40 | Mikk1 | it's pretty obvious, yes |
| 00:04.43 | Legorol | is it really that revolutionary to hide the salt |
| 00:04.53 | Legorol | i am amazed there was a system when it wasn't hidden |
| 00:04.54 | Mikk1 | the login process needs to see the salt |
| 00:04.55 | Mikk1 | period |
| 00:04.58 | Legorol | yes |
| 00:05.03 | Legorol | but noone else, so.. |
| 00:05.06 | Mikk1 | aye |
| 00:05.09 | Legorol | ok i'm just amused |
| 00:05.18 | Legorol | it took me 2 minutes to realise this in this conversation.. |
| 00:05.19 | Mikk1 | and noone except the login process needs to see the resulting salt+password hash either |
| 00:05.28 | Legorol | why didn't people think of this at the time of designing /etc/password? |
| 00:05.33 | Mikk1 | hehe |
| 00:05.36 | Mikk1 | yeah i've asked myself the same |
| 00:05.44 | Mikk1 | but you need to remember what computing was like back then |
| 00:05.52 | Legorol | i am dubious about having the hashes available plainly too |
| 00:05.54 | Mikk1 | the internet was a dozen machines |
| 00:05.56 | Legorol | is that the case with /etc/shadow as well? |
| 00:06.03 | Mikk1 | nothing available public |
| 00:06.06 | Mikk1 | salt+hash in shadow |
| 00:06.10 | Legorol | ah right |
| 00:06.23 | Mikk1 | and those dozen machines were all run by university professors |
| 00:06.30 | Mikk1 | and only professors and a few grad students used them |
| 00:06.38 | Mikk1 | this is when /etc/password came around |
| 00:06.56 | Mikk1 | hell, they didn't even have file system permissions back then |
| 00:06.57 | Legorol | true |
| 00:07.06 | Legorol | ah well that explains a lot |
| 00:07.16 | Legorol | what is it called, the thing that allows a program to run as root |
| 00:07.25 | Legorol | it's a special permission flag, isn't it? |
| 00:07.26 | Mikk1 | suid bit |
| 00:07.29 | Legorol | that one |
| 00:07.33 | Legorol | if they didn't have that one back then, |
| 00:07.40 | Legorol | then everyone needs to have plain access to the password file |
| 00:07.52 | Legorol | no? |
| 00:07.55 | Mikk1 | yes |
| 00:07.59 | Legorol | hmm... actually, wait a mo |
| 00:08.05 | Legorol | what if the login process is already running as root |
| 00:08.09 | Legorol | and it's just idling |
| 00:08.18 | Legorol | wouldn't a system like that work? |
| 00:08.23 | Legorol | and new ones started as needed.. |
| 00:08.26 | Legorol | actually, that's a point |
| 00:08.27 | Mikk1 | a lot of the traditional login processes will even accept plaintext passwords in /etc/password. no encryption whatsoever |
| 00:08.30 | Mikk1 | hint hint |
| 00:08.39 | Legorol | whoah |
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| 00:08.45 | Legorol | so you can pretend the one in there is plaintext |
| 00:08.47 | Legorol | and just use that? |
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| 00:08.54 | Mikk1 | nono |
| 00:09.07 | Legorol | ok i don't get the hint |
| 00:09.13 | Mikk1 | i mean |
| 00:09.20 | Mikk1 | security was a non-issue back thenj |
| 00:09.27 | Legorol | ok |
| 00:09.30 | Mikk1 | if you were in the machine, there was nothing stopping you |
| 00:09.37 | Mikk1 | passwords were just a means of not allowing joe nub to log inj |
| 00:10.11 | Legorol | we4ll as long as it did that, it served its purpose i guess |
| 00:10.13 | Mikk1 | hell, the ARPAnet trusted a few bits in the IP headers to separate their networks from everything else |
| 00:10.24 | Legorol | but the publically readable /etc/passwd staid for a long long time, didn't it |
| 00:10.29 | Mikk1 | 1990ish yeah |
| 00:11.24 | Mikk1 | i don't know when /etc/shadow was invented but 1990ish was when people were switching afaik |
| 00:11.45 | Mikk1 | (i was still a bit of a unix nub back then though so this is not entirely accurate information =)) |
| 00:12.06 | Mikk1 | (oargh it's 16 years >.<) |
| 00:12.29 | Legorol | we are old :( |
| 00:12.43 | Mikk1 | Unpossible! I remember my 20th birthday like yesterday! |
| 00:12.56 | Cairenn | you guys are puppies |
| 00:12.59 | Mikk1 | orly? |
| 00:13.01 | Mikk1 | <- 31 |
| 00:13.11 | Cairenn | puppy |
| 00:13.14 | Mikk1 | haha ok =) |
| 00:22.32 | Legorol | time to do some Fortran coding! |
| 00:22.34 | Legorol | yay |
| 00:22.56 | Mikk1 | errr? sado masochist? =P |
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| 00:34.15 | Mikk1 | loudspeakers too |
| 00:43.26 | Legorol | Mikk1: i'm not a sado maso |
| 00:43.33 | Legorol | there are good parts to coding in Fortran, i swear! |
| 00:43.45 | Legorol | array handling is awesome |
| 00:43.54 | Legorol | Here's my favourite one: |
| 00:44.01 | Legorol | Cairenn, just give me 1 minute to illustrate |
| 00:44.03 | Legorol | :) |
| 00:44.09 | Cairenn | uh huh |
| 00:44.15 | Cairenn | *tease* |
| 00:44.19 | Legorol | let's say you have a lengthty array storing some numbers |
| 00:44.31 | Legorol | let's say you want to rearrange said array in a different order |
| 00:45.04 | Legorol | finally, let's say that the order in which you want to rearrange things is also specified, and is stored in a different array as a sequence of integers |
| 00:45.15 | Legorol | then you can do the whole rearrangement with one line of code: |
| 00:45.36 | Legorol | array_of_numbers=array_of_numbers(array_specifying_order) |
| 00:45.49 | Legorol | that is very cool |
| 00:46.13 | SinePi | Do you perhaps know of the event that fires when starting/stopping eating/drinking? Is it a hidden spell effect, or what..? |
| 00:46.51 | Mikk1 | It shows up like any buff |
| 00:46.53 | Mikk1 | iirc |
| 00:47.16 | Mikk1 | With a duration and everything |
| 00:54.16 | SinePi | it's not CHAT_MSG_something_SELF_BUFF as it doesn't show up in the combat log... dammit. Where is it >_< I must be blind. |
| 00:54.57 | SinePi | player_auras_changed, aha. |
| 00:56.15 | Mikk1 | that's confirmed? |
| 01:00.19 | SinePi | apparently, though I have not checked the args yet. |
| 01:06.43 | SinePi | hmm. It has no args whatsoever. And the addons that do check buffs... run through UnitBuff(...) and check texture names. How unoptimal on Blizz's side. |
| 01:16.26 | Shadowed | oh hi rogue talent preview |
| 01:17.14 | Shadowed | wow |
| 01:18.06 | Shadowed | The preview is actually pretty nice for Rogues |
| 01:19.22 | Gryphen | ya |
| 01:20.36 | Gngsk | what happened to master of illusion though? |
| 01:20.44 | Shadowed | ? |
| 01:20.58 | Shadowed | Rogues don't have a talent called Master of Illusion. Do you mean Master of Deception? |
| 01:21.01 | Gngsk | supposed to be like the blade masters ability to copy itself in wc3 |
| 01:21.12 | Gngsk | nah, was supposed to be new 31 point for sub |
| 01:21.21 | Gngsk | guess it was just a rumor |
| 01:25.08 | Mikk1 | that sounds very cool and also a bit unlikely =) |
| 01:25.43 | Mikk1 | also sounds like something that could cause unlimited mayhem in various PvE encounters |
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| 01:46.30 | cmunn | Does anyone know of a specification for the lootlink database format? I'm having trouble finding one :( |
| 02:01.12 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 02:07.29 | Mikk1 | i was looking at the lootlink db file the other day |
| 02:07.33 | Mikk1 | looked pretty straightforward to me |
| 02:08.55 | Mikk1 | except for the "bi1.lo8.ar115.ty0.su2." bit |
| 02:09.01 | Mikk1 | would need to look at code to figure that one out =) |
| 02:13.23 | Industrial | for you pwoplw that dont register on the ace forum; got my buffs working last night :-) http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5333/wowscrnshot0702060506512jn.jpg |
| 02:13.51 | Industrial | nn |
| 02:13.55 | Mikk1 | grats ;) |
| 02:42.56 | Mikk1 | funny how making a table consisting of substrings and then doing table.concat() on it is more efficient than repeatedly concatenating to a growing string |
| 02:43.02 | Mikk1 | i mean.. i understand why |
| 02:43.05 | Mikk1 | it just hurts my brain |
| 03:47.39 | ckknight | doesn't hurt mine. |
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| 04:31.58 | Mikk1 | well.. erm.. yaknow.. i know exactly why it works that way and all |
| 04:32.12 | Mikk1 | it just feels very unnatural when coming from a world of mostly C programming |
| 04:32.35 | Mikk1 | where appending to a string is cheap as hell |
| 04:33.53 | Mikk1 | bit silly that doing so has to be so expensive in Lua really |
| 04:35.02 | Mikk1 | would have been better to just trigger on "oops, this stirng is growing big, and now he wants to append more... ok, fine, prealloc a bunch of ram so that we have a bit to append to" |
| 04:35.12 | Mikk1 | then again |
| 04:35.16 | Mikk1 | that assume a "..=" operator |
| 04:35.19 | Mikk1 | which doesn't exist |
| 04:35.20 | Mikk1 | nm me |
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| 04:53.50 | Mikk1 | ya know... how hard would it be to hook into the chatwindow menus data structures and add a message type of my own? o.O |
| 04:54.02 | Mikk1 | i.e. something that a mod of mine spews out, and i want to be able to control where it goes |
| 04:54.26 | Mikk1 | except putting it in my own config windows seems a bit silly when there's a perfectly good channel system for it |
| 04:58.26 | Mikk1 | ah, lookie. ctraid is already doing it |
| 04:58.29 | Mikk1 | forgot |
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| 05:22.03 | Cairenn | evening Tem :) |
| 05:22.13 | Tem | hey |
| 05:22.29 | Tem | I'm on the neighbor's wireless |
| 05:22.49 | Tem | does Verizon offer broadband? |
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| 05:45.22 | gnorlish | yes |
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| 06:25.18 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:25.35 | Cairenn | evening s|loup |
| 06:25.54 | s|loup | morning has broken ^^ |
| 06:26.16 | Cairenn | true enough, it's technically morning here as well now |
| 06:31.18 | s|loup | hehe |
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| 06:58.38 | Cairenn | lol, love folks with a sense of humour ... check his closing line in the description: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5120-OG-HealItems.html |
| 06:59.20 | Shadowed | haha |
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| 07:12.45 | MoonWolf | and stay there! |
| 07:14.57 | Kaelten | lol |
| 07:15.03 | Kaelten | heya moon, didn't see ya come in |
| 07:17.17 | MoonWolf | I'm sneaky like that. |
| 07:17.21 | Kaelten | Cairenn: get the nail gun. |
| 07:17.27 | Cairenn | apparently so |
| 07:17.33 | Cairenn | to both comments ;) |
| 07:17.37 | Kaelten | :) |
| 07:18.31 | Shadowed | Was going to say need a bigger stapler, but Kaelten beat me to it |
| 07:18.41 | Kaelten | heh |
| 07:18.44 | Kaelten | lol |
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| 07:41.17 | Cairenn | wobin! |
| 07:41.23 | Kalroth | uh oh |
| 07:41.25 | Kalroth | poor Wobin |
| 07:41.28 | Wobin | Cairenn!? |
| 07:41.30 | Cairenn | hi Kalroth |
| 07:41.34 | Kalroth | hi Cairy |
| 07:41.53 | Wobin | Ididn'tdoitnobodysawmedoityoucantproveanything |
| 07:41.58 | Kalroth | haha |
| 07:42.24 | Kalroth | Cairenn is the winner! And this concludes yet another exciting evening at the Fight Club(tm)! |
| 07:42.47 | Wobin | Psst. Buddy. You -DON'T- talk about FightClub. |
| 07:43.51 | Kalroth | This is another fight club, it's the commercial one, concept owned by the same company that makes big brother and bold 'n beautiful |
| 07:45.01 | Fanook | what about Suave shampoo? |
| 07:49.24 | MoonWolf | that too. |
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| 08:44.37 | Kaelten | gnight guys |
| 08:48.58 | AnduinLothar | don't spose there's any way to grab the item id's from a merchant |
| 08:49.26 | Mikk1 | hm? there has to be |
| 08:49.35 | AnduinLothar | doesn't look like it |
| 08:49.45 | Mikk1 | the gametooltip gets hold of them somehow |
| 08:49.50 | AnduinLothar | just name and quantity and goes right to GameTooltip:SetMerchantItem(this:GetID()); |
| 08:50.36 | Mikk1 | ah. and the game probably assumes that there's a certain number of buttons in MerchantFrame |
| 08:50.41 | Mikk1 | just like it assumes stuff about GameTooltip |
| 08:51.00 | Mikk1 | what would you get out of digging around in the merchantframe? |
| 08:51.13 | AnduinLothar | just farming for data |
| 08:51.13 | Mikk1 | just icon paths? |
| 08:51.25 | AnduinLothar | it returns the texture |
| 08:51.35 | AnduinLothar | i just wanted to index by item id |
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| 08:52.39 | Kirov | Does PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED still get fired when the raid changes? |
| 08:53.50 | AnduinLothar | depends on if your party is changed i think |
| 08:53.53 | Mikk1 | GetMerchantItemInfo |
| 08:54.00 | AnduinLothar | name, texture, price, quantity, numAvailable, isUsable = GetMerchantItemInfo(index); |
| 08:54.02 | AnduinLothar | i know |
| 08:54.06 | AnduinLothar | no id |
| 08:54.11 | Mikk1 | GetMerchantItemLink |
| 08:54.17 | AnduinLothar | no id |
| 08:54.20 | Mikk1 | er |
| 08:54.20 | AnduinLothar | oh? |
| 08:54.23 | Mikk1 | a link is an id |
| 08:54.28 | Mikk1 | contains the id |
| 08:54.40 | AnduinLothar | right, hit the wrong button |
| 08:54.47 | AnduinLothar | ah ok, thx |
| 08:55.42 | Mikk1 | heh, the wiki page is extra helpful even =) http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetMerchantItemLink |
| 08:56.26 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i know all that. have a function to parse it already |
| 08:56.55 | AnduinLothar | so how do i set the page.. |
| 08:57.56 | AnduinLothar | MerchantFrame.page ? |
| 08:57.58 | Mikk1 | hm? you don't need to set a page |
| 08:58.11 | AnduinLothar | the id is the button id tho.. |
| 08:58.24 | Mikk1 | Nah |
| 08:58.25 | AnduinLothar | oh nm |
| 08:58.27 | AnduinLothar | i c |
| 08:58.28 | Mikk1 | GetMerchantNumItems() |
| 08:58.37 | AnduinLothar | yeah missed the SetID in the code |
| 08:59.20 | AnduinLothar | ok, got all i need then, thx |
| 09:00.12 | Mikk1 | Woohoo. I hooked my addon into the chatframes without hooking chatframe stuff |
| 09:00.19 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 09:00.59 | Mikk1 | Instead of hooking lots and lots of FloatingChatFrame stuff, I just hooked GetChatWindowMessages and ChangeChatColor =) |
| 09:01.15 | Mikk1 | So should even be compatible with something that isn't FrameXML |
| 09:01.25 | AnduinLothar | for what purpose? |
| 09:01.42 | Mikk1 | Adding a new type of chat message to the chat frame menus |
| 09:01.56 | Mikk1 | So that you control which frame my addon's message pop up in the same place as everything else |
| 09:02.00 | Mikk1 | including color and stuff |
| 09:02.30 | AnduinLothar | why not just add to the table of chat types? |
| 09:02.39 | Mikk1 | I do that too but that's not enough |
| 09:02.45 | AnduinLothar | why not? |
| 09:03.06 | Mikk1 | Because the game client won't save your on/off and color settings for you |
| 09:03.14 | Mikk1 | At least I've failed miserably when I tried to |
| 09:03.28 | AnduinLothar | whay's that? |
| 09:03.49 | Mikk1 | You mean to say that it's possible to pursuade the game client to keep track of nonstandard chat categoires for you? o.O |
| 09:05.03 | AnduinLothar | i don't see why not |
| 09:05.51 | Mikk1 | it seems to me that it chooses to ignore chat topics that it doesn't recognize |
| 09:06.04 | Mikk1 | like ChangeChatColor() results in UPDATE_CHAT_COLORS events for all standard topics |
| 09:06.13 | Mikk1 | but if I feed "MYADDON" as the color to change, .... no event |
| 09:07.18 | Mikk1 | AddChatWindowMessages(1, "MYADDON"), GetChatWindowMessages(1) ... nope, no MYADDON in the list |
| 09:07.45 | AnduinLothar | did you add it to the ChatTypeInfo table? |
| 09:07.51 | Mikk1 | yes |
| 09:07.55 | Mikk1 | but ChatTypeInfo is Lua |
| 09:08.04 | Mikk1 | AddChatWindowMessages() and GetChatWindowMessages() is API |
| 09:10.25 | AnduinLothar | and you added it to ChatTypeGroup? |
| 09:10.52 | Mikk1 | yes |
| 09:11.13 | Mikk1 | It works now. The problem is getting it stored. Which I solved by hooking the *ChatWindowMessages(...) APIs |
| 09:11.25 | Mikk1 | Since the regular ones flat out ignore anything they don't recognize |
| 09:11.34 | Mikk1 | And I seriously doubt they go looking in the Lua tables |
| 09:12.29 | AnduinLothar | right, well AddChatWindowMessages only allows groups known by the client that you can recieve from the server |
| 09:13.14 | Mikk1 | aye that's what it seems like |
| 09:13.35 | AnduinLothar | so yes, i spose your way works |
| 09:13.54 | AnduinLothar | but all it does is registers the frames with events |
| 09:14.13 | AnduinLothar | and adds to the this.messageTypeList table |
| 09:14.32 | AnduinLothar | so unless you're generating fake events too.. |
| 09:14.38 | Mikk1 | of course i am =) |
| 09:15.20 | AnduinLothar | so what kind of chat types are you adding? |
| 09:15.33 | Mikk1 | just CHAT_MSG_MYADDON |
| 09:15.51 | AnduinLothar | addon output? |
| 09:15.55 | Mikk1 | yea |
| 09:15.57 | Mikk1 | sec door |
| 09:17.35 | Mikk1 | b |
| 09:17.52 | Mikk1 | And, yeah, it's overkill |
| 09:18.01 | Mikk1 | It's not like I'm spewing that much into the chat windows, really |
| 09:18.34 | AnduinLothar | spose it might be useful for something like IEF |
| 09:18.48 | AnduinLothar | or CTRA with it's warnigns |
| 09:19.01 | Mikk1 | CTRA does the same |
| 09:19.04 | AnduinLothar | be kinda cute for SeaPrint |
| 09:19.06 | Mikk1 | but in a more cumbersome manner |
| 09:19.32 | Mikk1 | it goes in and hooks a bunch of FloatingChatFrame functions to get hold of setting changes |
| 09:19.37 | Mikk1 | which requires quite a bit more code |
| 09:19.54 | AnduinLothar | yeah. That's what Sky does |
| 09:19.57 | AnduinLothar | ton of code |
| 09:20.02 | Mikk1 | I suppose toying with WoWBench has given me a .. um.. different perspective on APIs =) |
| 09:20.10 | AnduinLothar | but then Sky hijacks just about the entire chat api |
| 09:21.09 | AnduinLothar | and since it's main purpose is to hide chat and have zero options for it... |
| 09:21.16 | AnduinLothar | it's a little more complicated |
| 09:21.23 | AnduinLothar | anyway |
| 09:21.28 | AnduinLothar | neat trick, grats |
| 09:21.48 | AnduinLothar | maybe make a tutorial for makign your own chat types ;) |
| 09:21.57 | Mikk1 | aye was thinking I'd put together a HOWTO |
| 09:23.33 | Mikk1 | now if only Cide could wake up so I could gloat properly |
| 09:25.28 | Mikk1 | On a related note, I just realized that responses to slash commands should go out in SELECTED_CHAT_FRAME, not DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME |
| 09:25.42 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 09:26.05 | AnduinLothar | and actually SELECTED_CHAT_FRAME needs to be set to DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME onload |
| 09:26.27 | AnduinLothar | since blizzard convieniently forgot to define it until you click a chat tab |
| 09:27.30 | krka|work | FTS: http://www.tjuvlyssnat.se/viewone.php?posted=2006-07-03%2001:40 |
| 09:27.53 | krka|work | (SELECTED_CHAT_FRAME or DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME) FTW! |
| 09:28.08 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
| 09:28.16 | krka|work | w/e FTW! |
| 09:28.19 | AnduinLothar | amen |
| 09:28.32 | AnduinLothar | that's not english krka |
| 09:29.31 | krka|work | indeed it's not! |
| 09:29.47 | AnduinLothar | just letting you know |
| 09:29.59 | AnduinLothar | not sure what FTS means either |
| 09:31.43 | Mikk1 | For teh swedes? |
| 09:31.57 | Mikk1 | Nice one btw krka =) |
| 09:35.40 | krka|work | indeed |
| 09:38.15 | Fanook | be afraid...be very very afraid: http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/?entry_id=1512499 |
| 09:41.56 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:42.04 | Kalroth | "I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday. Why? |
| 09:42.04 | Kalroth | " |
| 09:42.32 | AnduinLothar | yeah. i stopped reading when i realized it was a transcription |
| 09:42.38 | Kalroth | "They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the internet. And again, the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." |
| 09:43.02 | Wobin | rofl |
| 09:43.08 | Wobin | The Island reference |
| 09:43.48 | Kalroth | "Now we have a separate Department of Defense internet now, did you know that?" |
| 09:44.04 | Mikk1 | *cry* |
| 09:44.47 | AnduinLothar | what is 'an internet' anyway? |
| 09:45.13 | AnduinLothar | is my internet not the same internet you are on? |
| 09:45.25 | zenzelezz | <Kalroth> "Now we have a separate Department of Defense internet now, did you know that?" <--- they wanted more bandwidth for porn, so they bought another connection |
| 09:45.39 | Kalroth | nono, it's a seperate internet |
| 09:45.39 | Fanook | "The whole concept is that we should not go into this until someone shows that there is something that has been done that really is a violation of net neutraility that hits you and me." No, you shouldn't have let it happen in the first place moron |
| 09:46.24 | AnduinLothar | ok so maybe once we have a moon collony they get their own internet... nah it'll prolyl still be connected via satalite... |
| 09:46.29 | AnduinLothar | mars internet maybe? |
| 09:46.35 | zenzelezz | I'm confused about this net neutrality thing... it doesn't sound very neutral |
| 09:47.16 | Fanook | the pro-net neutrality people want to keep it as it is now |
| 09:47.22 | AnduinLothar | i mean i spose an island could have it's own internet if no one was conencted via satalite or underwater line.. but i'd prolly just call that a big lan party.. |
| 09:47.46 | zenzelezz | more of a net than an inter net |
| 09:47.57 | AnduinLothar | spose as soon as you have comercial internet providers it can be called 'an internet' |
| 09:48.23 | Mr_Rabies2|away | hrm |
| 09:48.28 | AnduinLothar | provided the providers dont connect, which would be dumb |
| 09:49.01 | Mr_Rabies2|away | That alaskan guy makes me sad that too much of our government is making internet-centric decisions with as much knowledge of it as that guy |
| 09:50.03 | Mikk1 | an internet is a network connecting networks |
| 09:50.14 | Mikk1 | i.e. any longhaul between LANs, really |
| 09:50.31 | Mr_Rabies2|away | Also, the reason i clicked on this tab: I saw an addon that fixed the 1.11 bug that chooses the last chat frame as default instead of the first, but forgot to mark it as a favorite. did any of you guys make that or know what it's called? :O |
| 09:50.52 | AnduinLothar | so i spose two outers conencted together each with their own auto-dhcp? |
| 09:50.58 | AnduinLothar | routers* |
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| 09:51.54 | Mikk1 | and what's he blathering about DoD having its own internet |
| 09:51.59 | Mikk1 | that happend in the 70s |
| 09:52.09 | Kalroth | does anyone know of a player state library? eg. is player dead/alive, is player waiting to be ressed, is he in ghost form, etc. |
| 09:52.18 | zenzelezz | wasn't that how the net started, somewhat? |
| 09:52.39 | Mikk1 | aye, the internet started as a DARPA funded university experiment |
| 09:52.53 | Mikk1 | with some of DoDs nonsensitive computers hooked in to it |
| 09:53.08 | Mikk1 | not that they had very many back then =P |
| 09:53.08 | AnduinLothar | kal, why do you need a lib? |
| 09:53.29 | AnduinLothar | UnitIsDead |
| 09:53.32 | Kalroth | AnduinLothar: mainly to avoid having to make a state object myself :p |
| 09:53.46 | Kalroth | it'd be fairly simple, sure |
| 09:53.48 | AnduinLothar | if UnitIsDead and has 1 hp it's a ghost |
| 09:54.14 | Mikk1 | Would help if you told us what you were actually doing tbh |
| 09:54.24 | Kalroth | yup, you know that, I didn't :) it was to avoid having to figure it out myself :) |
| 09:54.32 | Kalroth | eg regen is enabled instantly when you die |
| 09:54.35 | zenzelezz | if it's "just" dead (awaiting resurrection), is it dead with 0 hp? |
| 09:54.42 | Kalroth | like I said Mikk1, a player state engine |
| 09:54.46 | Mr_Rabies2|away | man, i wish i knew lua :[ |
| 09:54.51 | Mikk1 | Kalroth: tracking what players? |
| 09:54.59 | Kalroth | Mikk1: yourself |
| 09:55.02 | Mikk1 | Arf |
| 09:55.09 | Mr_Rabies2|away | I have all these ideas that rock in my head but no way to implement them |
| 09:55.19 | Mikk1 | That's the easiest one |
| 09:55.28 | zenzelezz | I have a lot of ideas that rock in my head too, but most of them suck when they escape from there |
| 09:55.32 | Mikk1 | Though "waiting to be ressed" needs some event hooking |
| 09:55.40 | Kalroth | so I don't have to implement various events etc, I just want to do e.g. if ( Player.IsDead ) then .. end |
| 09:55.43 | AnduinLothar | zenzelezz>if it's "just" dead (awaiting resurrection), is it dead with 0 hp? -- Yes |
| 09:55.50 | Mikk1 | UnitIsDead("player") |
| 09:55.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have an idea of an addon that behaves like trinketmenu but for shaman totems |
| 09:56.05 | Kalroth | well there's several states of dead :) |
| 09:56.12 | Mikk1 | UnitIsDeadOrGhost("player") |
| 09:56.20 | Mikk1 | =) |
| 09:56.20 | Kalroth | dead with 1 hp is ghost, dead with 0 hp hasn't released, right? |
| 09:56.31 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 09:56.46 | Mikk1 | alive with 1 hp is bugged to hell by the baroness bitch |
| 09:56.51 | zenzelezz | I have a feeling one of my monitors is dying |
| 09:57.08 | zenzelezz | takes about ten attempts to make it turn on properly (it'll turn on and then go black) |
| 09:57.27 | zenzelezz | bought it along with another one about a year ago... interestingly that other one bit the bullet a month ago |
| 09:57.33 | Mikk1 | heh |
| 09:57.34 | haste | zenzelezz, I had that problem myself, the next day it started a little fire |
| 09:57.35 | Mikk1 | ouch |
| 09:57.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | I'd love to figure out how to implement this: an addon that shows your 4 currently selected totems as a button, then all the rest as extentions of each button when you hover over them, and having keybinding support for spamming each one in order or for individual elements |
| 09:57.55 | haste | it smelled like burned chips here for a week |
| 09:58.02 | zenzelezz | haste: ouch o_O |
| 09:58.12 | Mikk1 | Mr_Rabies2: sounds pretty straightforward |
| 09:58.15 | zenzelezz | think I'll dig up that manufacturer's website again and not bother calling them this time |
| 09:58.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like totemstomper/frowning circle, but my idea's more like itemrack/trinketmenu |
| 09:58.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i 1) suck at programming in general and 2) don't know lua at all |
| 09:59.04 | Mikk1 | I taught myself to shift+number, number for my totems on my shaman alt |
| 09:59.07 | Mikk1 | worked pretty well too |
| 09:59.17 | AnduinLothar | could just have it be totemstomper with item pullouts liek itemrack |
| 09:59.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, pretty much AL |
| 10:00.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | just shows what you currently have selected as the 4 buttons, then a pullout of all the others as you highlight each element |
| 10:00.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | and a stomper like keybinding for dropping all 4 in order, and a keybinding for each element |
| 10:00.34 | AnduinLothar | or could use dropdowns like DivineBlessings |
| 10:00.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i haven't messed with DB since a long time ago |
| 10:01.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | since back when you guys had the little imp thing as an addon, the one that was like ZOMG UR GETTIN HIT STOP THAT |
| 10:01.20 | AnduinLothar | it's preety decent. i had him add dropdowns so you dont have to drag from your spell book |
| 10:03.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 10:04.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm gonna check out call of elements, that might be something similar to what i was thinking of |
| 10:04.18 | AnduinLothar | best gui of the caster addons imo, but I kinda wish it had a mini view so i coudl see who was missing buffs, liek a queue |
| 10:06.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | blarg i wish i knew the name of that addon that fixed the chat tabs so that it chose the first one as default instead of the last one :[ |
| 10:06.54 | Mikk1 | weird though... my toon is getting the first one now |
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| 10:07.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | they might have fixed it |
| 10:07.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't play much since 1.11.1 |
| 10:09.04 | AnduinLothar | nope, it's not |
| 10:09.43 | zenzelezz | I don't mind having to click the main chat tab after logging in or reloading... as long as the main tab doesn't steal focus anymore; like it doesn't seem to |
| 10:09.54 | AnduinLothar | it used to? |
| 10:10.07 | zenzelezz | for a while in 1.10... can't remember how long |
| 10:10.18 | Mikk1 | ok, got a more complex chat setup now on this toon |
| 10:10.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i never had that problem |
| 10:10.22 | Mikk1 | still keeps going to the first one |
| 10:10.43 | AnduinLothar | oh right, that bug for certain clients.. never happened to me |
| 10:10.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i might just need to replace my chat-cache and layout stuf |
| 10:10.47 | zenzelezz | I used a ChatFrameFix or something like that mod to stop the tab from stealing focus |
| 10:10.57 | zenzelezz | but haven't used it since 1.11, and haven't seen the problem |
| 10:11.04 | Mikk1 | hum? just lock the frames? |
| 10:11.08 | Mikk1 | owait |
| 10:11.09 | Mikk1 | tab |
| 10:11.10 | Mikk1 | yea |
| 10:11.25 | AnduinLothar | an addon would not be hard at all |
| 10:11.45 | AnduinLothar | onvarsloaded event select chattab 1 |
| 10:12.27 | AnduinLothar | just add like 1 line to an addon you already have or soemthing |
| 10:13.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll prob do that to this 1.11fixes addon |
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| 10:16.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | ugh why do they play this song all the time, some afi or some other emo crap, i want to turn off my tv but it's like in the other room, and my laziness outweighs my disgust |
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| 10:17.46 | AnduinLothar | embrase your inner emo |
| 10:18.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i don't have any undead chars above level 19 |
| 10:19.03 | haste | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5093 << the first chat frame thingy |
| 10:19.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | thanks |
| 10:19.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | 708 bytes |
| 10:19.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
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| 10:21.55 | Mikk1 | bloat |
| 10:22.09 | haste | hooking would probably be a better solutoin, but I'm lazy |
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| 10:23.54 | Mikk1 | local a=ChatFrame_OnEvent(); function ChatFrame_OnEvent(event) if(event=="PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD" and this==ChatFrame1) then FCF_SelectDockFrame(ChatFrame1); end; end |
| 10:23.55 | Mikk1 | hah |
| 10:24.03 | Mikk1 | oops |
| 10:24.09 | Mikk1 | call a(event) there at the end too |
| 10:25.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought 708 bytes was rather small :x |
| 10:25.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wow |
| 10:25.21 | haste | file size isn't everything |
| 10:25.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | call of elements seems to do exactly what i was talking about |
| 10:25.35 | AnduinLothar | damnit.. i hate it when the line numbers for errors are ocmpletely off and you dont know how much.. |
| 10:25.52 | Mikk1 | no, but if something is small, it calls out to the hax0r in us all to make it even smaller :o) |
| 10:26.26 | krka|work | that goes totally against all the spams i get |
| 10:26.39 | Mikk1 | spamz0rs aren't hax0rs |
| 10:27.19 | Mikk1 | hmm. need to something cooler to hook |
| 10:32.16 | AnduinLothar | damnit.. why is TipBuddy fubaring with Wardrobe... |
| 10:32.29 | Mikk1 | it's telling you to switch to itemrack |
| 10:32.31 | AnduinLothar | bet it has some sort of GetParent():GetName() concat crap |
| 10:32.57 | AnduinLothar | conflicting with my frame de-globalization |
| 10:33.24 | SinePi | in what is itemrack better than wardrobe? (haven't used it, only wardrobe so far) |
| 10:33.29 | AnduinLothar | was experimenting with de-globalization by putting all by frames in a table |
| 10:33.42 | Mikk1 | haha i dunno tbh. i've only used itemrack |
| 10:33.51 | Mikk1 | does wardrobe handle autoswitch on events and stuff? |
| 10:34.03 | SinePi | on eating and on travel |
| 10:34.05 | AnduinLothar | turns out it's a bad idea cause everyone and their mother uses GetParent():GetName() as a standard way to get the children |
| 10:34.15 | Mikk1 | oh. itemrack can switch on any event |
| 10:34.21 | Mikk1 | you get to paste little snippets of Lua code =) |
| 10:34.30 | AnduinLothar | itemrack has a more advanced and complex even system |
| 10:34.37 | AnduinLothar | event* |
| 10:34.43 | SinePi | though that sounds like bloat to me :> |
| 10:34.50 | AnduinLothar | it's huge, yes |
| 10:34.51 | SinePi | but useful it might be. |
| 10:35.06 | Mikk1 | plus you can pull out equipment buttons on-screen |
| 10:35.11 | Mikk1 | i.e. pull out your mainhand |
| 10:35.14 | AnduinLothar | depends on if you really use it or know enough lua to make your own |
| 10:35.20 | Mikk1 | click it, and you get to choose between all weapons you have |
| 10:35.37 | AnduinLothar | yeah, that's a little excessive too and should be in it's own addon imo |
| 10:35.54 | AnduinLothar | but w/e |
| 10:35.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow, call of elements was EXACTLY what i was looking for |
| 10:36.01 | Mikk1 | i dunno. i use all of itemrack so i don't care that it's all-in-one =) |
| 10:36.17 | AnduinLothar | yeah yeah, w/e |
| 10:37.01 | AnduinLothar | it's a minimalist's nightmare, but it is very effective |
| 10:37.10 | zenzelezz | if everyone liked the same thing there wouldn't be alternatives \o/ |
| 10:38.24 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 10:38.36 | AnduinLothar | ok, so this is no fun.. on the first MERCHANT_SHOW event for a vendor you dont have in cache GetMerchantItemLink(1) returns nil.. |
| 10:39.52 | AnduinLothar | has to be a MERCHANT_UPDATE first |
| 10:40.48 | Mikk1 | which occurs when? |
| 10:41.16 | Mikk1 | hrms it makes sense i suppose |
| 10:41.22 | AnduinLothar | checking, prolly immediately after and every time you change page |
| 10:41.33 | Mikk1 | no, i think it happens whenever someone buys something |
| 10:41.34 | AnduinLothar | and after every buy |
| 10:41.49 | Mikk1 | page switching only happens in Lua as far as I could tell |
| 10:41.57 | Mikk1 | no API involved |
| 10:42.05 | Mikk1 | other than more GetMerchanItem...() calls of course |
| 10:42.08 | AnduinLothar | if ( event == "MERCHANT_UPDATE" ) then |
| 10:42.08 | AnduinLothar | if ( MerchantFrame:IsVisible() ) then |
| 10:42.08 | AnduinLothar | MerchantFrame_Update(); |
| 10:42.08 | AnduinLothar | end |
| 10:42.28 | AnduinLothar | but then MERCHANT_SHOW has it's own MerchantFrame_Update call too.. |
| 10:42.34 | Mikk1 | O.O |
| 10:43.02 | Mikk1 | Maybe it sets page number to 0 or something silly like that to keep it from trying to retreive items |
| 10:43.23 | Mikk1 | Or maybe it tries to retreive items and happily accepts nil |
| 10:43.26 | AnduinLothar | MerchantFrame_Update is also called in MerchantFrame_OnShow |
| 10:43.34 | Mikk1 | er |
| 10:43.37 | Mikk1 | okay |
| 10:43.45 | AnduinLothar | so it looks like it just spams the function till it get it right |
| 10:43.52 | Mikk1 | sucky programming ftw |
| 10:44.33 | Mikk1 | my guess would be listening for MERCHANT_UPDATE |
| 10:44.57 | AnduinLothar | yeah, that seems to work |
| 10:45.13 | AnduinLothar | just means it'll scan more than i really wanted |
| 10:45.16 | AnduinLothar | but w/e |
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| 10:55.32 | AnduinLothar | well that's crap..MERCHANT_UPDATE doesn't always fire |
| 10:56.20 | AnduinLothar | crap |
| 10:56.45 | AnduinLothar | elseif (event == "MERCHANT_UPDATE") or (event == "MERCHANT_SHOW") then i spose... |
| 10:58.35 | AnduinLothar | so... anyone know a way to tell if something you're targetting is a pet w/o parsing tooltip? |
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| 11:08.09 | AnduinLothar | :) UnitPlayerControlled and not UnitIsPlayer |
| 11:08.53 | Gngsk | or UnitPowerType = Focus ? |
| 11:09.05 | Gngsk | well, I guess that'd only work for hunters pets |
| 11:09.09 | AnduinLothar | doesn't work for warlock pets |
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| 11:38.31 | zenzelezz | so I get a mail entitled "Gold Scarab", containing a Gold Scarab... with the logical text "Gooooold!" as the message o_O |
| 11:40.13 | AnduinLothar | lol, awsome |
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| 12:08.39 | Mikk1 | oho whattayaknow |
| 12:08.49 | Mikk1 | if you create a chat group that has the same name as a slash command |
| 12:08.57 | Mikk1 | the chatframes become veeeery confused =) |
| 12:09.04 | AnduinLothar | big surprise |
| 12:09.14 | Mikk1 | was to me =P |
| 12:09.32 | AnduinLothar | now why doesn't GetCraftName() report the right frame.. |
| 12:09.45 | AnduinLothar | GetCraftName() seems to always say First Aid for me |
| 12:10.02 | AnduinLothar | but somehow the crafting frame uses it just fine to title itself |
| 12:10.26 | Mikk1 | SelectCraft(index)( first? |
| 12:11.23 | AnduinLothar | :/ |
| 12:11.27 | AnduinLothar | not working |
| 12:12.49 | Mikk1 | arf maybe i shouldn't be testing with this toon |
| 12:12.51 | Mikk1 | lvl4 |
| 12:12.55 | Mikk1 | not many crafts =P |
| 12:13.01 | AnduinLothar | rawr... server resetting |
| 12:13.09 | AnduinLothar | think that means it's time to go to sleep |
| 12:13.25 | AnduinLothar | that an it being 5am and all |
| 12:13.59 | AnduinLothar | anyway.. i was just trying to get the name of the craft in a DoCraft hook |
| 12:14.23 | AnduinLothar | but actually... i dunno if i can hook docraft anymore |
| 12:14.42 | AnduinLothar | that would suck |
| 12:26.21 | Mikk1 | why the hell does WoWUIDes create FRAMES to hold fontstrings? O.O |
| 12:27.01 | krka|work | lol: http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/060629.html |
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| 12:41.48 | krka|work | interesting... i have to remember to write up a response with my own results from MapLibrary: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=407603&p=1&tmp=1#post407603 |
| 12:46.04 | Mikk1 | OOOOOOOO |
| 12:46.12 | Mikk1 | I have ideas for myDebug |
| 12:47.11 | Mikk1 | Imagine being able to type function calls and have their output appear in a scrolling window, where you can expand return values as you go |
| 12:47.18 | Mikk1 | tree style like now |
| 12:47.23 | Mikk1 | except ... lots easier =) |
| 12:49.43 | krka|work | should be pretty simple to do. since you can already inspect variables |
| 13:11.08 | Kaso | apparently i can /who GM island i never knew that |
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| 13:22.31 | Mikk1 | Anyway.. ideas please. I have a dialog with a button in it. The button IsMouseEnabled(). It IsEnabled(). I can't click it... |
| 13:23.00 | Mikk1 | It doesn't animate at all |
| 13:24.40 | Mikk1 | Hrm, wait.. wonder what the parent is.. |
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| 13:25.47 | Mikk1 | heh doh. parent=nil. |
| 13:25.48 | Mikk1 | gogo |
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| 14:26.50 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Create_your_own_chat_types |
| 14:27.07 | Mikk1 | Ah damn, karl is mia |
| 14:27.33 | Tem | "karl is AWOL" -- fixed |
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| 14:38.05 | Kaso | Mikk1 <3 |
| 14:38.30 | Kaso | I was planning on adding that to one of my addons, you've saved me the job of working out how to do it |
| 14:42.02 | Kirkburn|haircut | Nice, Mikk1 :) |
| 14:42.40 | Kirkburn | I've run out of things to do on the wiki :/ |
| 14:43.58 | zenzelezz | polish |
| 14:47.40 | zenzelezz | or go play the game :-p |
| 14:47.44 | Kirkburn | No-one notices polish :P |
| 14:48.08 | Kirkburn | madness!# |
| 14:54.26 | Kirkburn | This is the kind of comment that's annoying: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-2522-1-clearfont.html#comments |
| 14:54.55 | Kirkburn | He didn't provide a screenshot, hasn't bothered even trying to do anything himself :/ |
| 14:58.04 | Kirkburn | Ooh, question - what were the impressions of the rouge stuff? I'm just off to look at it |
| 14:58.23 | zenzelezz | he obviously has better things to do than make screenshots or trying to fix things |
| 14:58.25 | zenzelezz | like mashing SS |
| 14:58.53 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 14:59.03 | zenzelezz | what rogue stuff? |
| 15:04.51 | Mikk1 | Kirkburn: I've been outta stuff to do on the wiki for ages =/ |
| 15:05.03 | Mikk1 | Been plowing through New Pages lately |
| 15:05.06 | Mikk1 | yawn |
| 15:05.57 | Mikk1 | Well, ok, [[Category:Things to do]] has gobloads of things to do. But it's not the kind of things that I feel like doing =) |
| 15:11.23 | Kirkburn | I've been attempting to clear out votes and stuff ... but now that's nearly all gone too ;) |
| 15:11.28 | Mikk1 | aye =( |
| 15:16.19 | Elkano | is there a good entry on wowwiki explaining scaling wrt SetPoint, GetLeft/Right/Top/Bottom and diefferent scalings in parents/children? |
| 15:16.40 | Mikk1 | not to my knowledge |
| 15:17.05 | Elkano | would be something to do for Kirkburn ;) |
| 15:17.16 | Kirkburn | hah |
| 15:18.24 | Mikk1 | scale=1; fp=MyFrame; while fp do scale=scale*fp:GetScale(); fp=fp:GetParent(); end |
| 15:18.35 | Mikk1 | "scale" is now relative to screen |
| 15:19.02 | Mikk1 | If a frame is smaller (scale <1), it basically lives in a bigger coordinate space |
| 15:19.15 | Mikk1 | I.e. a frame with scale 0.5 lives in a 2048 * 1536 screen |
| 15:19.23 | Elkano | having a frame f with parent UIParent, what will be the result of f:ClearAllPoints(); f:SetPoint("BOTTOMLEFT", f:GetLeft(), f:GetBottom()) ? |
| 15:19.52 | Mikk1 | Arf |
| 15:19.58 | Mikk1 | It won't move at all I think |
| 15:20.14 | Mikk1 | You're moving the frame relative to itself |
| 15:20.38 | Mikk1 | Or possible it'll leapfrog away in some direction, moving each time you do that |
| 15:21.14 | Mikk1 | You probably want f:SetPoint("BOTTOMLEFT", UIParent, "BOTTOMLEFT", xoffs, yoffs) |
| 15:21.38 | Mikk1 | Having a parent has very little to do with positioning. You can position something relative to whatever |
| 15:21.49 | Mikk1 | Parenthood controls: Scale, Alpha, Visibility |
| 15:21.52 | Mikk1 | That's it, really |
| 15:22.17 | Elkano | ok, I think I've found my bug... I set relative to BOTTOMRIGHT instead of BOTTOMLEFT :/ |
| 15:22.30 | Mikk1 | ow =) |
| 15:22.54 | Mikk1 | or hummm |
| 15:23.00 | Mikk1 | wait what's the tree parameter syntax again |
| 15:23.22 | Mikk1 | Ohyeah... Your call is equivalent to waht I said |
| 15:23.30 | Mikk1 | (Pardon, I've been away way too long. Bit foggy.) |
| 15:23.33 | Mikk1 | away=awake |
| 15:23.38 | Mikk1 | can't spell either apparently >.< |
| 15:24.07 | Mikk1 | tree=three too |
| 15:28.58 | Elkano | ok, now testing if my frame will stay in place wrt scaling :) |
| 15:40.18 | Thrae | Lego, Iriel, or End around? |
| 15:41.16 | Mikk1 | You don't need to ask if Lego is around if you don't see messages from him in the last 5 lines tbqph =P |
| 15:41.27 | Thrae | I just woke up ;) |
| 15:41.31 | Mikk1 | k =) |
| 15:42.04 | Thrae | Mikk1: Maybe you'd know...is there any way to tell if I am mousing over anything in the WorldFrame that's not a unit? |
| 15:42.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | oooh |
| 15:43.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | the end of dreams makes me a very happy drood |
| 15:44.31 | zenzelezz | Thrae: I'm utterly noob about these things, but could UnitExists("mouseover") work? |
| 15:44.53 | Mikk1 | not really |
| 15:44.59 | Thrae | It's not exactly that simple, zenzeleez. |
| 15:45.06 | Mikk1 | becuase if it's not a unit, UnitExists() will return false |
| 15:45.08 | zenzelezz | like I said, I'm noob =D |
| 15:45.14 | Thrae | The problem I'm finding is that part of GameTooltip's events are not open to Lua. |
| 15:45.20 | Elkano | since iirc Iriel asked slouken for a way to detect that the mouse is over a dooday (or whta these things are called) I don't think it's possible |
| 15:45.47 | Thrae | So if I mouse over a unit, then quickly mouse over to a doodad, there's nothing in Lua that's called to represent the event. |
| 15:45.50 | Mikk1 | Thrae: Doesn't detecting <OnShow> work? |
| 15:45.53 | Mikk1 | Ah |
| 15:46.06 | Mikk1 | The tooltip never has time to disappear |
| 15:46.07 | Thrae | Mikk1: Not for the circumstance I just mentioned. |
| 15:46.15 | Thrae | Right, so no OnShow, OnHide, etc. |
| 15:46.16 | Mikk1 | OOOOOOO |
| 15:46.18 | Mikk1 | Hey |
| 15:46.20 | Thrae | I'm trying OnTooltipCleared right now |
| 15:46.21 | Mikk1 | I got it =) |
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| 15:46.46 | Mikk1 | Trigger on <OnTextSet> or whatever it is in the first fontstring of the tooltip |
| 15:46.55 | Mikk1 | Or um wait |
| 15:47.03 | Mikk1 | fontstrings don't have events =( |
| 15:47.12 | Mikk1 | That'll be editboxes I'm thinking of |
| 15:47.31 | Mikk1 | I suppose you can poll the fontstring in OnUpdate for as long as the tooltip is visible |
| 15:47.36 | Thrae | Yeah, and OnTooltipCleared isn't even called in the circumstance I mentioned |
| 15:47.37 | Mikk1 | Bit rude |
| 15:48.09 | Thrae | Mikk1: Except that leads us to problem #2 |
| 15:48.44 | Mikk1 | And if the text changes, you test UnitExists("mouseover") |
| 15:49.02 | Thrae | Problem #2 -- If you have GameTooltip anchored to a custom tooltip, the game engine will always make both tooltips fade out without calling any handlers. |
| 15:49.37 | Mikk1 | Poll GetAlpha()? =) |
| 15:49.49 | Mikk1 | Seriously though.. <OnHide> has to trigger?! |
| 15:50.00 | Thrae | Nope, it doesn't. |
| 15:50.03 | Mikk1 | O.O |
| 15:50.16 | Mikk1 | Damn. That's buggy. |
| 15:50.17 | Thrae | I hooked OnHide for both tooltips and it doesn't if the custom tooltip is ANCHOR_CURSOR. |
| 15:50.39 | Mikk1 | Maybe it never fully hides? |
| 15:50.52 | Mikk1 | Test if it's actually visible but alpha=0 |
| 15:51.16 | Thrae | Well, the custom tooltip already has alpha=0 |
| 15:51.52 | Mikk1 | my head hurts |
| 15:52.33 | Thrae | The custom tooltip is just there so you can offset while using ANCHOR_CURSOR |
| 15:52.49 | Kirkburn | (damn, he noticed) |
| 15:52.54 | Mikk1 | Wonder what happens if you replace fontstring #1 with an invisible editbox |
| 15:53.20 | Mikk1 | Might work now as of 1.11 |
| 15:53.28 | Mikk1 | Since they share GetText from a common inheritance |
| 15:53.31 | Mikk1 | err SetText |
| 15:53.56 | Thrae | Yeah, but not GetStringWidth() |
| 15:54.22 | Mikk1 | (if i'm being extraordinarily slow/st00pid/whatever, it's because i'm trying to fix my day by staying up way longer several days in a row) |
| 15:54.28 | Thrae | Hehe |
| 15:55.13 | Thrae | Oh, wait |
| 15:55.22 | Thrae | When I said it doesn't call the OnHide handler before, I was lying |
| 15:55.30 | zenzelezz | how rude |
| 15:55.33 | Thrae | It DOES call the OnHide handler, but only AFTER it's done fading |
| 15:55.40 | Mikk1 | of course? o.O |
| 15:55.52 | Thrae | Hence, there's no way I can tell to make it stop fading |
| 15:56.05 | Mikk1 | do you need it to stop fading? |
| 15:56.34 | Thrae | Yes, this is for TinyTip (tooltip mod), and some people want it to stop fading :D |
| 15:56.36 | Mikk1 | Oh, you mean go instantly visible->hidden? |
| 15:56.47 | Mikk1 | I _think_ tipbuddy manages that somehow |
| 15:57.04 | Mikk1 | I'll go get a breather... I'll get back to you if I get any divine inspirations while I'm out |
| 15:57.11 | Thrae | TipBuddy doesn't allow you to set an offset from ANCHOR_CURSOR, afaik |
| 15:57.12 | Elkano | which function returns the set ui scale? |
| 15:57.27 | Thrae | Elkano: GetCVar("uiscale") or UIParent:GetScale() |
| 15:57.41 | Elkano | thx :) |
| 15:57.43 | Thrae | Not sure which is safer, probably the first |
| 16:01.43 | Elkano | ok, seems to be working :) |
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| 16:05.17 | Mikk1 | scale=1; fp=MyFrame; while fp do scale=scale*fp:GetScale(); fp=fp:GetParent(); end |
| 16:05.19 | Mikk1 | ^ best |
| 16:05.20 | wereHamster | My raidprogress site is almost finished.. http://dbservice.com:58026/ |
| 16:05.55 | Thrae | Mikk1: Another Interesting Thing -- GameTooltip:GetAlpha() is always 1, and GameTooltip:SetAlpha does nothing to the translucentness of GameTooltip. |
| 16:06.10 | Mikk1 | Just using UIParent's scale will work.. kinda.. but only as long as the parent is actually UIParent, and as long as no intermediate parents also change the scale |
| 16:06.38 | Mikk1 | Thrae: heh. nice n buggy =P |
| 16:06.57 | Mikk1 | I'm pretty sure tipbuddy can offset the tooltip relative to the cursor btw |
| 16:07.05 | Mikk1 | just not in all modes |
| 16:07.05 | Thrae | In fact, GameTooltip does not show without one of its text fields set. |
| 16:07.41 | Thrae | Hmmm. |
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| 16:08.20 | Thrae | I could go reverse logic and use my custom tooltip instead of GameTooltip to add data. |
| 16:08.40 | Thrae | Which is what TipBuddy does...but then I'd also have to hook AddLine, AddDoubleLine, etc. like TipBuddy does. |
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| 16:09.23 | Mikk1 | Euhm.. do those even trigger when it's the game engine that's filling the tooltip out? |
| 16:09.59 | Mikk1 | But does that even matter though? |
| 16:10.01 | Thrae | TinyTip only cares about units, and UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT does fire, and I have SetUnit hooked. |
| 16:10.18 | Mikk1 | if the GameTooltip GameTooltip can't fiddle with alpha, I'm going to assume that none of the others can? |
| 16:10.50 | Mikk1 | oooh hey idea |
| 16:10.52 | Mikk1 | no forget it |
| 16:10.54 | Thrae | You can make the GameTooltip 100% translucent by setting it with text that has alpha 0, setting the backdrop to alpha 0, and setting the border to alpha 0 |
| 16:11.30 | Mikk1 | Yeah but you want to detect when it starts fading don't you? |
| 16:11.33 | Mikk1 | Ooooo wait |
| 16:11.41 | Mikk1 | There's an event for when the mouse moves off a unit |
| 16:11.51 | Mikk1 | You could forcibly hide the tooltip when that happens |
| 16:12.02 | Thrae | Well if I use my own custom tooltip, I'm hoping that won't happen |
| 16:12.18 | Thrae | Really? I thought UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT is called in both cases. |
| 16:12.23 | Mikk1 | o.O |
| 16:12.30 | Mikk1 | It does? |
| 16:12.48 | Thrae | Mikk1: Wait, to which sentence are you referring? |
| 16:12.59 | Mikk1 | Aeuhmmm dunno |
| 16:13.07 | Mikk1 | I'm just saying that it should be possible for you to NOT fade the tip |
| 16:13.20 | Mikk1 | I.e. disappear instantly when mouse focus leaves the unit |
| 16:14.38 | Mikk1 | CURSOR_UPDATE fires |
| 16:14.48 | Thrae | Ahhh, interesting |
| 16:15.37 | Mikk1 | Humm can you get what the cursor is? |
| 16:17.01 | Mikk1 | nope |
| 16:19.14 | Thrae | CURSOR_UPDATE is not a valid event. |
| 16:19.25 | Mikk1 | wtf |
| 16:19.25 | Thrae | Maybe UPDATE_CURSOR ? |
| 16:19.44 | Mikk1 | checking |
| 16:20.29 | Mikk1 | I have 55 frame in framexml registering CURSOR_UPDATE |
| 16:20.48 | Mikk1 | frames* |
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| 16:20.56 | Thrae | Hmmm. |
| 16:21.46 | Thrae | Maybe it's deprecated? |
| 16:22.05 | Thrae | Because I'm not seeing anything spewed out in ChatFrame1 when I mouseover anythign. |
| 16:22.16 | Mikk1 | all bank frame slots and all character equipment slots register it |
| 16:22.19 | Mikk1 | UIParent too |
| 16:23.09 | Thrae | Maybe, again, it's because I'm doing this ANCHOR_CURSOR (my toolip) <-- ANCHOR_NONE (GameTooltip) |
| 16:23.47 | Mikk1 | testing here |
| 16:25.38 | Cairenn | fail |
| 16:25.48 | Mikk1 | nope, not working for me either |
| 16:27.36 | Thrae | Hmmmmmmmm. |
| 16:27.38 | Mikk1 | now i got one |
| 16:27.45 | Mikk1 | ahhh doh my bad |
| 16:27.49 | Mikk1 | it's when you deselect stuff |
| 16:27.52 | Mikk1 | not when you unmouseover |
| 16:28.48 | Thrae | Alright, I'd have to hook GameTooltipTextLeft1:SetText, GameTooltip:AddLine, and GameTooltip:AddDoubleLine to switch everything over to a custom GameTooltip |
| 16:30.27 | Thrae | And maybe GameTooltip:GetNumLines and...crap |
| 16:31.45 | Mikk1 | But do those even fire when called from the game engine? |
| 16:31.51 | Mikk1 | I mean.. it just manipulates stuff like it feels to |
| 16:31.55 | Mikk1 | Not via Lua |
| 16:32.22 | Thrae | I'm not worried about what's fired from the game engine, I'm worried about compatibility with other tooltip mods. |
| 16:33.16 | Thrae | TinyTip basically replaces what's in a unit's tooltip. |
| 16:33.24 | Mikk1 | yeah i saw it |
| 16:33.36 | Mikk1 | perhaps it's just easier to rip someone else's tooltip mod and change the appearance? =) |
| 16:33.46 | Thrae | haha |
| 16:34.04 | Thrae | TinyTip used to be AF_Tooltip_Mini, long, long ago...now there's 0% diff |
| 16:34.39 | Mikk1 | Ooooo hey now I know what I want |
| 16:34.54 | Mikk1 | I want something along the lines of what TipBuddy can do with gobs and gobs of info.. Down in the right hand corner. |
| 16:35.00 | Mikk1 | Then I want TinyTip over the mob |
| 16:35.24 | Thrae | "gobs and gobs of info"? |
| 16:35.37 | Mikk1 | Yeah if you go extended mode in tipbuddy you can tell it waht you want in the tip |
| 16:35.46 | Mikk1 | Can bloody make it half a screenful if you like =) |
| 16:35.59 | Thrae | hmmm |
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| 16:36.38 | Thrae | TinyTip could easily be half a screenfull if you set Target Of Raid to 3 (show all the names of people in your raid targeting this unit) ;) |
| 16:37.14 | Thrae | But that's a cool idea. I wonder if there's a way to do that with mods like MobInfo2 without some nasty hacks. |
| 16:37.40 | Mikk1 | Because I keep tweaking TipBuddy back and forth |
| 16:37.44 | Mikk1 | One day I want lots of info in the tip |
| 16:38.01 | Mikk1 | Another day I'm in a cramped place and don't need huge tips following my cursor |
| 16:38.40 | Thrae | TipBuddy is also a resource hog, I'm trying to keep things simple. |
| 16:38.46 | Mikk1 | Indeed it is |
| 16:38.58 | Mikk1 | I'm not happy with it |
| 16:38.58 | Thrae | But it wouldn't hurt resources for a toggle option |
| 16:39.04 | Mikk1 | Just the best I've found so far |
| 16:39.36 | Mikk1 | Plus you have to have the standard tooltip anyway. Might as well just let it live down in the bottom corner and carry all the extra info? |
| 16:40.06 | Thrae | Whenever I add a new option to TinyTip that wasn't in AF_Tooltip_Mini, I add it as another file which you can delete/remove from the TOC if you never use that option. |
| 16:41.27 | Mikk1 | Arf. Time to flop onto the couch and pass out I think |
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| 17:47.05 | Cairenn | wheee, it's an Iriel! |
| 17:47.32 | Kirov | When Brood Affliction: Bronze stuns you, is the stun debuff called Brood Affliction: Bronze as well? |
| 17:50.38 | Iriel | Anyone else here in the US unlucky enough to have to work today? |
| 17:51.03 | Kirov | My girlfriend did |
| 17:51.08 | Kirov | I didn't |
| 17:51.19 | Kirov | We work at the same office, but I got the day off. |
| 17:53.09 | Iriel | Inconstistency FTW? |
| 17:53.36 | Kirov | Well, technically we're on different projects. |
| 17:54.02 | Iriel | Ah, so it's not that the office is closed as much as you were allowed to get the day off? |
| 17:54.19 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 17:55.27 | Kirov | Are there any international wow databases people know of? I'm trying to find the localizations for "Brood Affliction: Bronze" |
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| 18:50.39 | zinor` | good evening everyone |
| 18:51.33 | Cairenn | hi Zinor |
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| 18:52.15 | zinor` | eek got to restart :x |
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| 19:08.41 | zinor | ty |
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| 19:26.10 | Shadowed | Kirov ever find the answer to brood affliction ? |
| 19:27.42 | Shadowed | guess not |
| 19:31.21 | krka | stupid tv card |
| 19:31.24 | krka | i've lost the sound |
| 19:31.29 | krka | what to do, what to do |
| 19:31.59 | zinor | O.o |
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| 19:33.58 | MentalPower | wohoo!!!! I'm back! |
| 19:34.02 | Cairenn | wb |
| 19:34.09 | MentalPower | thanks Cair :) |
| 19:34.11 | zenzelezz | are you sure? |
| 19:34.45 | MentalPower | well, my ISP is still being a pain |
| 19:34.52 | zinor | :( |
| 19:34.54 | MentalPower | but my PC is back running WinXP |
| 19:36.06 | krka | sorry to hear that :( |
| 19:36.18 | Kaso | Does CTRA Readycheck use the blizzard system now, or still go old way ? |
| 19:36.50 | MentalPower | Kaso: none of the CTRA features have been changed to use the new blizzard facilities |
| 19:37.06 | krka | grep the code for the new functions maybe? |
| 19:37.09 | Kaso | interesting |
| 19:37.24 | MentalPower | Cide said so last week or so |
| 19:37.37 | Kaso | did Cide say he was doing that for a reason, or is it just, ain't broke don't fix ? |
| 19:38.21 | Codayus | I'm kinda hoping they decide to stick with the old ready check, at least, since I don't really like Bliz's implementation. |
| 19:38.46 | Kaso | i assumed he'd use the blizzard backend and the CTRA front end, or something |
| 19:38.58 | Codayus | Kaso: Can't. |
| 19:39.02 | krka | what's wrong with the bliz way? |
| 19:39.17 | Kaso | oh? i havent attually looked at the blizzard one, whynot? |
| 19:39.22 | Codayus | Bliz one only allows it to be triggered by the raid leader. |
| 19:39.33 | Kaso | thats sucky |
| 19:39.34 | Codayus | And it doesn't report back very well. |
| 19:39.39 | krka | that can be fixed though |
| 19:39.39 | Codayus | 30 second timeout, basically. |
| 19:39.52 | Codayus | krka: By using CTRA to proxy requests through the raid leader? Yes. |
| 19:39.56 | krka | yeah |
| 19:40.03 | krka | but i see your point :) |
| 19:40.18 | zenzelezz | can't assistants use it? |
| 19:40.23 | Codayus | zenzelezz: Nope! |
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| 19:40.30 | zenzelezz | that's peculiar |
| 19:40.38 | MentalPower_ | I'm guessing that he didn't want to risk breaking stuff, so he kept the old system for now |
| 19:41.21 | MentalPower_ | well, windows update time for me now, brb |
| 19:41.28 | Codayus | And while yeah, you can get around it, the reporting is still suboptimal. :-) |
| 19:42.36 | zinor | i hope they have lua in warhammer online :x |
| 19:42.38 | zinor | will make it good |
| 19:43.18 | Codayus | Certainly I'd have problems trying to play a game without a UI at least somewhat customizable...WoW has spoiled me. :-) |
| 19:43.24 | zinor | ya |
| 19:43.50 | krka | python would be acceptable too |
| 19:44.14 | zenzelezz | Fortran-77 |
| 19:44.19 | kergoth | python's pretty heavy to embed for a game, compared to lua |
| 19:44.26 | kergoth | not hard to embed, just heavy |
| 19:44.36 | chuckg | I demand VB 5.0 in WoW> |
| 19:44.51 | chuckg | Lightweight, efficient and more importantly, the best language ever. |
| 19:45.11 | cmunn | Seconded |
| 19:45.36 | zenzelezz | ReDim Preserve... |
| 19:45.37 | kergoth | lightweight? compared to lua? lightweight my ass. |
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| 19:47.00 | kaiden | anyone here know how to use IsCurrentCast api call? i am assuming by the name it checks the id of BOOKTYPE_SPELL and see's if that's the spell that's casting |
| 19:47.16 | cmunn | I believe chuckg was using a literary device called "Sarcasm", kergoth. |
| 19:47.34 | chuckg | That's going out on a limb! |
| 19:48.00 | kergoth | irc isn't the best of mediums for sarcasm, unfortunately ;( |
| 19:48.07 | cmunn | No, "going out on a limb" is a metaphor. |
| 19:48.50 | chuckg | " more importantly, the best language ever. " was a pretty big indicator, I though. |
| 19:49.07 | zinor | v...b :( |
| 19:49.08 | zinor | bad |
| 19:49.13 | zinor | oh |
| 19:49.52 | cmunn | I demand items of "Holy Wrath" to be reinserted into the game! |
| 19:50.22 | cmunn | I need my Flameweave cuffs of Holy Wrath! |
| 19:53.02 | zenzelezz | Atiesh of Holy Wrath |
| 19:53.38 | zenzelezz | right, wrong name... somehow I suck at learning new stuff =D |
| 19:54.21 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 19:54.38 | Cairenn | ;) |
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| 19:55.40 | krka | semi-success! |
| 19:55.46 | krka | the card produces sound |
| 19:56.02 | Cairenn | good |
| 19:56.21 | krka | now, i just need my computer to understand where to obtain the sound |
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| 19:59.25 | krka | hm... anyone good at capturing sound in linux? |
| 20:01.53 | krka | ah, it goes into the mic port atleast |
| 20:02.00 | krka | so that should be muted and set to capture |
| 20:02.43 | kergoth | sound in linux is _still_ a nightmare, after all these years. alsa is nice, but just getting it to do software mixing is a pain in the ass. |
| 20:02.50 | kergoth | which windows does out of hte box without breaking a sweat |
| 20:02.51 | kergoth | it annoys me |
| 20:03.34 | krka | me too |
| 20:03.59 | krka | if i unmute mic in alsamixer, i hear the tv card fine |
| 20:04.06 | krka | but i can't capture from it? |
| 20:04.52 | kergoth | anyone played iwth autotrinketloader? is there any documentation on how it works or how to set it up? |
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| 20:11.25 | krka | WOOT |
| 20:11.27 | krka | i fixed it |
| 20:11.29 | krka | no idea how |
| 20:11.35 | krka | just fiddled around with my mixer |
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| 20:17.24 | grimman | Hey everyone! |
| 20:17.41 | Cairenn | hey grimman |
| 20:18.09 | grimman | I "just" received word that my SmartStuff addon doesn't work with 1.11, and since I'm not playing anymore I can't fix it myself... so I thought I'd barge in and make a request for that... someone fixing it. =) |
| 20:18.14 | grimman | /wave Cairenn |
| 20:18.42 | Cairenn | barge away :) |
| 20:18.47 | grimman | hehe =) |
| 20:19.51 | grimman | I think I've barged enough for now. Anyone who's interested and reading this now/later can PM me. Sadly I have to go to bed now, got to go to work in a couple of hours. |
| 20:20.23 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 20:20.28 | Cairenn | sweet dreams ;) |
| 20:20.32 | grimman | =) |
| 20:20.33 | grimman | ty |
| 20:20.53 | grimman | I'll post a request on the forums if I don't get any response from here. |
| 20:20.55 | grimman | *gone* |
| 20:21.39 | Kalroth | nope, still here! |
| 20:22.13 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 20:50.02 | Kirkburn1 | Hey grimman |
| 20:59.10 | zinor | did anyone go to eswc this weekend? |
| 20:59.12 | zinor | we took a lot of pictures |
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| 21:01.31 | MentalPower_ | I love my isp |
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| 21:23.48 | Elkano | ~seen Legorol |
| 21:23.51 | purl | legorol <i=legorol@cpc2-cmbg6-0-0-cust566.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 20h 38m 2s ago, saying: 'that is very cool'. |
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| 22:03.02 | Kirkburn1 | Who's addon is Wardrobe? |
| 22:03.06 | Kirkburn1 | *whose |
| 22:03.08 | AnduinLothar | < |
| 22:03.16 | Kirkburn1 | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2836 |
| 22:03.37 | AnduinLothar | Mod Author: Thairin |
| 22:04.41 | Kirkburn1 | Why'd you have to post that? I have no idea what you mean by it ... |
| 22:06.07 | Kirkburn | I was just pointing out that the addon has been uploaded by someone else, and I was notifying the author ... I'm not sure what he meant by copy-pasting the 'author's name |
| 22:06.10 | AnduinLothar | wait, we were havig a conversation? >.< |
| 22:06.23 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 22:06.44 | AnduinLothar | check the ace page, silly |
| 22:07.34 | Kirkburn | huh? |
| 22:08.26 | Kirkburn | Can someone tell me what I'm missing here? |
| 22:08.54 | AnduinLothar | go to the ace forums and look up the author |
| 22:09.30 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4481-AceWardrobe.html |
| 22:09.32 | Cairenn | :p |
| 22:11.24 | Kirkburn | Right, I'm giving up now |
| 22:12.03 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: how's about you explain a little bit better just what the heck it is you want to know? dunno about anyone else, but you've managed to confuse the hell out of me :p |
| 22:12.14 | Iriel | I'm completely confused also |
| 22:12.41 | Cairenn | thank you Iriel! good to know I"m not alone in my confusion |
| 22:13.32 | Kirkburn | As I said before, I was just pointing it out, and was attempting to check that it was okay. |
| 22:13.56 | Kirkburn | I searched for that name on the Ace forums and got nothing |
| 22:14.08 | Cairenn | ahhhh, now I comprehend |
| 22:14.16 | Cairenn | (missed it when you said that the first time round) |
| 22:14.20 | Kirkburn | :) |
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| 22:38.57 | AnduinLothar | so.. anyone have any idea if AT&T and SBC Yahoo merged? |
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| 22:42.28 | Iriel | Yes, they did |
| 22:42.30 | Iriel | quite some time ago |
| 22:43.40 | AnduinLothar | mmk. I was unaware untill my email started saying AT&T Yahoo email.. |
| 22:44.22 | AnduinLothar | so who allowed AT&T and SBC to merge... isn't that kinda like 1/3 of the old Bell ? |
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| 22:47.32 | Fanook | at least |
| 22:51.16 | Kirov | I work across the street from what used to be SBC Park (SF Giants baseball stadium). It's now AT&T park |
| 22:51.43 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:52.13 | AnduinLothar | wait a sec.. when did apple add the 2ghz macbooks O.o |
| 22:53.00 | AnduinLothar | i'm behind |
| 23:00.36 | AnduinLothar | Anyone have suggestions for SKy while i'm reworking it? |
| 23:01.10 | Kirov | Make it send messages using magic |
| 23:01.13 | AnduinLothar | I've cut it down to jsut 3 channels Sky (global), SkyGroup (party/raid), and SkyGuild |
| 23:01.40 | AnduinLothar | to cut down on channel #'s |
| 23:01.49 | zespri | My addon, SpellMats doesn't work for international clients, doesn't fork for french client I suspect it doesn't work for german too. The addon itself scans your action bars finds spells that require reagents, like priest's levitate, or shaman's water breathing, or rogue's blind and then scan bags to see how many of the required reagent is available. Then it displays this count on the action button. I'm looking for someone with french or german client |
| 23:02.04 | AnduinLothar | I've also added Auto-join registration so the addons dont have to impliment it |
| 23:02.13 | Cairenn | zespri handy |
| 23:06.09 | Thrae|Away | zespri: Scan the tooltips for the action buttons with -- _,_,reagantneeded = string.find( getglobal("SPELL_REAGANTS") .. ": (%s)") |
| 23:06.28 | Thrae|Away | SPELL_REAGANTS is in GlobalStrings.lua and it's what they use on the default tooltips |
| 23:06.41 | Thrae|Away | Actually |
| 23:07.00 | Thrae|Away | _,_,reagantneeded = string.find( getglobal("SPELL_REAGANTS") .. "(.+)") |
| 23:07.09 | Thrae|Away | Forgot to change it to Lua, and didn't need the : and space |
| 23:07.33 | Thrae|Away | now just in case someone at blizzard was stupid, you should do |
| 23:07.35 | zespri | Threae this is what I'm doing |
| 23:07.44 | Thrae|Away | _,_,reagantneeded = string.find( getglobal("SPELL_REAGANTS") .. "%w?:?(.+)") |
| 23:08.26 | zespri | hang on a sec =) |
| 23:08.32 | Thrae|Away | s/REAGANT/REAGENT/ |
| 23:08.46 | zespri | what is the address for a pastebin that is working? |
| 23:08.51 | Thrae|Away | pastebin.ca |
| 23:09.39 | zespri | http://pastebin.ca/78258 |
| 23:09.53 | zespri | this is what it looks like and it works perfectly for english client |
| 23:12.05 | Atog | looks very convenient |
| 23:12.25 | Atog | I'm not familiar with localisation, though, so I can't help you there. |
| 23:12.26 | zespri | Thrae, if you have access to WoW and have a minute can I ask you to download http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-2033-1-spellmats.html and see if it works on your french client? Maybe the guy who reporting the bug jsust doesn't know what he is doing |
| 23:13.03 | Atog | btw, why is it spelled REAGANT? |
| 23:13.18 | Thrae|Away | Atog: Typo on my part |
| 23:13.26 | Thrae|Away | zespri: I'm en_US |
| 23:13.33 | Thrae|Away | enUS even |
| 23:13.37 | zespri | right |
| 23:14.13 | Cairenn | zespri is enEU, irric |
| 23:14.27 | zespri | ok thank you anyway =) You see even if I change the regexp, I have no way to test if it works, that's why I need help =) |
| 23:14.29 | Cairenn | sheesh ... iirc :p |
| 23:14.46 | zespri | I'm enUS |
| 23:15.32 | zespri | New Zealand Australia and Canada all enUS as far as WoW concerned |
| 23:15.32 | Cairenn | right |
| 23:15.33 | Cairenn | forgot, thought you were EU for some reason |
| 23:16.34 | zespri | Atog, do you have a french client? I could use your help even if you know nothing about localization |
| 23:19.25 | Atog | sorry, I would have offered if I had |
| 23:19.45 | Atog | (downloaded your mod, though, seems convenient) |
| 23:19.49 | zespri | that's ok, thank you anyway |
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| 23:21.32 | Thrae|Away | zespri: Try simplifying the 1st loop to -- _,i,reagantneeded = string.find( getglobal("SPELL_REAGENTS") .. "(.+),?") |
| 23:22.32 | Thrae|Away | zespri: Then after you're finished with the 1st reagant, then do _,i,reagentneeded = string.find(",(.+),?", i) |
| 23:23.07 | zespri | Thrae, can you see why this specific change can solve my problem? |
| 23:24.08 | zespri | I will nuke the loop anyway, at was a bad idea to cater for non-existing situation, but I don't beleive that this is what my problem is. |
| 23:24.38 | Thrae|Away | Well it's kinda hard to follow the logic in your current code, even if it does work |
| 23:24.56 | Thrae|Away | Cleaning up the code means it'll be easier to debug, at least. Sometimes it even solves problems like this. |
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| 23:26.04 | zespri | tell me about this =) |
| 23:26.27 | Thrae|Away | I also noticed one more thing -- string.find(reagent,"|c%x+(.*)|r",index) isn't safe, use string.find(reagent,"|c%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x(.+)|r",index) |
| 23:27.00 | Thrae|Away | Rare cases, items start with numbers, though not sure if there is a reagent that starts with a number |
| 23:27.49 | Thrae|Away | also be sure to use + instead of * when you only want patterns that have at least 1 character in them |
| 23:28.14 | Thrae|Away | Both + and * are greedy, where as - is not greedy |
| 23:30.42 | zespri | ok, thank you, there is nothing better then a good peer review =) |
| 23:31.18 | zespri | and tell me to fix speiing errors in comments as well, I need it =) |
| 23:31.42 | Thrae|Away | Bah, I'm not trying to attack you here |
| 23:31.45 | Atog | hmm... what do I use to check whether a player has a target? I'm getting error messages when I check for one and he doesn't have one. |
| 23:31.48 | Cairenn | afk a bit |
| 23:32.03 | Thrae|Away | Atog: UnitExists( unitid ) |
| 23:32.09 | Atog | thanks |
| 23:32.27 | Thrae|Away | Atog: http://www.wowwiki.com and the UI API page is your friend |
| 23:34.17 | zespri | Thrae, seriously, thank you =) |
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| 23:40.45 | Shadowed | What event would you use for an EditBox if you want to know when the text changes from Backspace being pressed? Using OnChar currently, but that doesn't cover backspaces. |
| 23:43.54 | Legorol | OnTextChanged |
| 23:44.46 | Shadowed | thanks |
