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| 00:04.34 | Legorol | i hear something about a patch in US? |
| 00:04.42 | Legorol | btw, one of the Best Blue Posts ever: |
| 00:04.43 | Legorol | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11511361&sid=1 |
| 00:08.35 | Industrial | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5106#cmnt9489 |
| 00:08.47 | Industrial | sorry but thats just too disgusting |
| 00:08.48 | Industrial | :P |
| 00:09.02 | Industrial | I MAEK UI YES LALAL!! |
| 00:09.04 | Industrial | >:( |
| 00:10.23 | Legorol | Industrial, whilst I appreciate your enthusiasm to respond to the person, I think that on this one you are wrong |
| 00:10.35 | Legorol | yes he used all caps and his compilation doesn't have much "value added" |
| 00:10.52 | Legorol | however, very often people are looking for a one-stop download of a large compilation with lots of stuff, to try out what someone else uses |
| 00:10.56 | Legorol | nothing wrong with that imo |
| 00:13.19 | Mikk1 | BEST. COMPILATION. EVAR. |
| 00:13.47 | Mikk1 | The only real question is if he'll keep it updated |
| 00:14.15 | Beladona | anyone know of a way to obtain another closed beta account for Cabal online? I am trying to get one for a friend |
| 00:16.06 | Thrae | Whenever I see compliations like that, I can just hear someone saying "This is so cool! ...Is anyone else lagging?" |
| 00:16.17 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 00:16.57 | Thrae | You shouldn't necessarily put Khaos on a machine that can barely run WoW ;) |
| 00:19.39 | Tem_ | so, why are people online on my server |
| 00:19.45 | Tem_ | but I have to download an update? |
| 00:19.51 | Thrae | Crap, I can't find my pants. |
| 00:23.17 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=202.new#new |
| 00:23.18 | Industrial | :D |
| 00:23.21 | Industrial | Thrae: lol! |
| 00:23.45 | Industrial | oops wrong channel |
| 00:24.32 | Legorol | Thrae: whilst i appreciate the humour, i don't appreciate the AddOn picked as an example. |
| 00:24.40 | Legorol | Khaos is not bad at all! |
| 00:24.45 | Legorol | Now if you'd picked Sky on the other hand.. |
| 00:24.49 | Legorol | :) |
| 00:25.16 | Legorol | we have these weird issue with Sky... some of our users complain that Sky is able to force-reset their broadband router |
| 00:25.20 | Industrial | Legorol: these are the addons that i use btw |
| 00:25.21 | Industrial | :P |
| 00:25.24 | Legorol | It's very impressive |
| 00:25.30 | Industrial | the green ones are mine :D |
| 00:25.33 | Legorol | Industrial: which ones? |
| 00:25.38 | Industrial | and prettymuch all 4-5kb |
| 00:25.40 | Industrial | Legorol: the link |
| 00:25.44 | Legorol | oh i see |
| 00:26.06 | Legorol | yeah if you write your own addons that's always the lightest |
| 00:26.06 | Tem_ | uuuh |
| 00:26.14 | Tem_ | World of Warcraft Patch 1.11.1 |
| 00:26.17 | Tem_ | wtf? |
| 00:26.24 | Tem_ | I just downloaded and patched |
| 00:26.39 | zespri_work | I would like to ditch half of the addons I'm using but I can't. |
| 00:26.48 | zespri_work | live without them =) |
| 00:27.08 | Fanook | Tem: maybe they're forwarding you a prerelease so you can find the crashes early |
| 00:27.15 | Kirkburn|wow | heh |
| 00:27.19 | Thrae | Legorol: The addons that Khaos chooses to include, not Khaos itself ;) |
| 00:27.23 | Kirkburn|wow | Yes, 1.11.1 is a minor client patch |
| 00:27.34 | Tem_ | but |
| 00:27.38 | kergoth | zespri_work: same here. every once in a while i try to cut back, and cant find anything to remove :\ |
| 00:27.43 | Tem_ | people are *online* on my server |
| 00:27.45 | Industrial | Thrae: seconded |
| 00:27.50 | Tem_ | *none* of them patched |
| 00:28.13 | Mikk1 | I suppose that means that no client<>server interop changed |
| 00:28.21 | Mikk1 | So they could just push out client patches on the fly |
| 00:28.29 | Mikk1 | Makes sense |
| 00:28.52 | kaso| | Is there any difference between if Fred()=="bill" and local f=Fred() if f=="bill" in terms of GC |
| 00:29.03 | Mikk1 | yes |
| 00:29.22 | Mikk1 | well |
| 00:29.36 | Mikk1 | f=Fred() obviously creates one more reference to the returned value |
| 00:29.42 | Industrial | no cause they both dont get gced |
| 00:29.45 | Legorol | Industrial: read Devla's post on that page you linked |
| 00:29.46 | Industrial | i win! |
| 00:29.54 | Legorol | The one that starts: "A well known author just asked us at ui.worldofwar.net to remove all his mods because we approved a "Spanish Translation" of one of his mods" |
| 00:29.55 | Mikk1 | yeah, they live on the stack |
| 00:30.48 | Industrial | Legorol: are you saying that I feel elitist? ;D |
| 00:30.51 | Legorol | no no |
| 00:30.55 | Legorol | wait, here is the punchline; |
| 00:31.06 | Legorol | i like this part of that post most: |
| 00:31.08 | Legorol | "Believe me, I know a helluva lot of work goes into mods, but condescending elitist authors really need to get out more. " |
| 00:31.16 | Legorol | anyways, that post by Devla is amusing because.... |
| 00:31.19 | Legorol | ... it's about me! |
| 00:31.23 | Kirkburn|wow | lol |
| 00:31.24 | Industrial | hah |
| 00:31.43 | Legorol | he is twisting the story a bit, but it's almost exactly as he said |
| 00:32.07 | Kirov | lol |
| 00:32.12 | Industrial | well he doesnt have to remove it but lets not get into that >_> |
| 00:32.17 | Legorol | yes he does |
| 00:32.19 | Kirkburn|wow | Tem, the 1.11.1 patch only affected a bug in the client, so no downtime needed :) Bring on 1.11.2 :D |
| 00:32.27 | Industrial | "bet lets not get into that >_>" |
| 00:32.30 | Kirov | I don't understand why people are upset about translations of mods, as long as they credit the original author |
| 00:32.37 | Industrial | Kirov: oh i am |
| 00:32.42 | Legorol | because, unlike other people, i actually include clear text with EquipCompare describing what rights do i give to people downloading it |
| 00:32.57 | Legorol | Kirov: translation wasn't the issue |
| 00:33.02 | Industrial | Legorol: note im using it :P \o/ i totally love it |
| 00:33.06 | Industrial | cant live without |
| 00:33.13 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.30 | Legorol | i haven't really seen addons with license info |
| 00:33.40 | Legorol | Industrial: i appreciate your enthusiasm |
| 00:33.45 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.56 | Legorol | now you may think i'm a total jerk but i deliberately put text with EquipCompare that limits the rights of those downloading it |
| 00:34.07 | Legorol | one of those limitations is that noone may publically rehost a modified version |
| 00:34.08 | Kirkburn|wow | Why? |
| 00:34.17 | Legorol | that's why i asked ui.wow.net to remove the spanish version |
| 00:34.23 | Legorol | not because it's a translation or anything |
| 00:34.34 | Legorol | and i don't understand why he finds it mind-boggling |
| 00:34.36 | Industrial | they messed with your shit, and its YOUR shit |
| 00:34.40 | Legorol | he might find it amusing |
| 00:34.49 | Legorol | but i don't understand what he doesn't understand |
| 00:34.54 | Legorol | if the license is there in the file, it's there |
| 00:35.01 | Industrial | If someone feels the need to translate something he can come to me and well do it together |
| 00:35.01 | Legorol | i wasn't making it up and he makes it sound like i was ;-) |
| 00:35.17 | Kirkburn|wow | True, but as an admin of an addon website, you're gonna get frustrated when you lose content |
| 00:35.36 | Legorol | i do give permission for rehosting |
| 00:35.40 | Legorol | just not in modified form |
| 00:35.41 | Industrial | Kirkburn|wow: then have a poicy of not accepting changed mods in the first place |
| 00:35.42 | Legorol | i think that's fair |
| 00:35.51 | kergoth | the license is the only thing that gives you -any- rights to that which is copyrighted by someone else. not exactly hard to grasp |
| 00:35.56 | Legorol | i don't want multiple versions floating around |
| 00:36.07 | Mikk1 | re-hosting modified stuff is a nightmare tbh. lego is going to get thwapped for bugs that have been fixed in the english version but not in the spanish one. |
| 00:36.18 | Industrial | think of titan panel |
| 00:36.21 | Industrial | the horror.. |
| 00:36.27 | Legorol | as Mikk1 says |
| 00:36.42 | Legorol | if they rehost an unmodified form, i can tell from the version number what the problem might be |
| 00:36.46 | Kirkburn|wow | It wasn't thaat bad, the Titan Panelssss fun |
| 00:36.46 | Legorol | so i'm fine with that |
| 00:37.12 | Legorol | besides, i don't see why the spanish translator couldn't have contacted me |
| 00:37.16 | Legorol | i have contact info in the addon |
| 00:37.47 | Legorol | plus, EC is one of the best localized AddOns, with English, German, French, Korean, Traditional and Simplified Chinese translation *and* compatibility with clients in those languages |
| 00:37.55 | Kirkburn|wow | but no spanish ;P |
| 00:38.02 | Industrial | kergoth: pm |
| 00:38.09 | kergoth | erk, whered i put that window |
| 00:38.10 | Legorol | Kirkburn|wow: i even sent an email to the person who translated it |
| 00:38.12 | Kirkburn|wow | (v nice though, Legorol!) |
| 00:38.18 | Industrial | kergoth: ;D |
| 00:38.23 | Legorol | offering that if he allowed me, i'll include his spanish translation |
| 00:38.25 | Legorol | i never got a reply |
| 00:38.29 | Kirkburn|wow | :/ |
| 00:38.38 | Legorol | i still have the spanish localization file around |
| 00:38.51 | Legorol | but i won't violate his copyright, so i am not including it without his permission |
| 00:39.01 | Kirkburn|wow | Well, it's not a desperate thing until the spanish batch come out |
| 00:42.06 | Codayus | Heh, kinda funny. |
| 00:42.51 | Kirkburn|wow | Wow, some servers are finishing the Scourge Invasion stuff quickly :( |
| 00:43.15 | Kirkburn|wow | I rather hope mine hasn't finished it yet (it appears 150 victories = end) |
| 00:43.17 | Codayus | When does it finish? |
| 00:43.23 | Codayus | 150? Frick... |
| 00:43.34 | Kirkburn|wow | http://www.wowwiki.com/Scourge_Invasion |
| 00:43.36 | Codayus | Do you know if the new dungeon bosses go away when the invasion ends? |
| 00:44.56 | Kirkburn|wow | I know no more than's on that page. I rather hope not |
| 00:45.06 | Codayus | I *really* hope not. :-( |
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| 00:50.59 | Arog | hey |
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| 00:55.18 | Kirkburn|wow | Ciao |
| 00:55.30 | Kirkburn|wow | (notice of the little patch: http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/8873258.htm) |
| 00:55.55 | Fanook | small....right |
| 00:57.33 | Kirkburn|wow | ? |
| 00:58.40 | Fanook | well, actually, i can't say that. it is taking longer than i expected to dowload though |
| 00:59.18 | Arog | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.21 | Arog | that might be faster |
| 00:59.35 | Fanook | eh, i'm 2/3 done |
| 00:59.50 | Arog | http://tinyurl.com/ew6ps - http://tinyurl.com/gxd57 PATCH URLS |
| 00:59.53 | Arog | fanook, its 3 mb |
| 00:59.58 | Arog | just download it from there if you want |
| 01:00.44 | Shadowed | Exiting the game to download the patch and apply it was a really stupid idea apparently |
| 01:00.54 | Shadowed | Connecting...disconnected from the server. |
| 01:02.07 | Kirkburn | note to self: don't open a half frozen water bottle without thinking first |
| 01:03.09 | Kirkburn | How does that work? One little patch note and the game version leaps by nearly 40? |
| 01:04.29 | Legorol | Kirkburn: it's probably because a number of one-liners were committed to their CVS system which also got included :) |
| 01:04.30 | Arog | anyone play on Warsong? |
| 01:04.35 | Legorol | Arog: EU or US? |
| 01:04.48 | Codayus | Hmm, my server has won 146 battles against the scourge. |
| 01:04.50 | Codayus | Damn |
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| 01:05.01 | Kirkburn | quick, do stuff |
| 01:05.53 | Kirkburn | lol ... WorldofWar is showing the CG favicon on my browser :P |
| 01:06.37 | Kirkburn | random :/ |
| 01:06.45 | Arog | Legorol US |
| 01:07.11 | Kirkburn | zomg, trolls: http://www.worldofwarcraft.net/info/story/troll/jungletribes.html |
| 01:09.42 | Arog | Legorol do ya? |
| 01:09.59 | Legorol | i'm EU, sorry |
| 01:10.09 | Arog | ah |
| 01:14.11 | Kirkburn | Hey, you know that Darkshore tribe of trolls that no-one can reach? |
| 01:14.25 | Shadowed | The dancing ones that you couldn't reach anymore due to the wall walking stuff? |
| 01:14.28 | Fanook | you found a pass? |
| 01:14.28 | Kirkburn | They're Shatterspear jungle trolls |
| 01:14.39 | Kirkburn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.net/info/story/troll/jungletribes.html#shatterspear |
| 01:15.00 | Kirkburn | Ahahaha! "Visiting the secluded village is a difficult endeavor, and a number of adventurers have fallen to their deaths in attempting to scale the steep hills around the Shatterspears' home. " |
| 01:15.22 | Kirkburn | I like whoever wrote that ;) |
| 01:16.20 | Shadowed | haha |
| 01:17.05 | Kebinusan | I visited that village |
| 01:17.07 | Kirkburn | An enigma has been solved :P |
| 01:17.12 | Kebinusan | and I clicked off slowfall over the water |
| 01:17.20 | Kebinusan | and landed on that little boat in the water and died |
| 01:17.26 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 01:17.43 | Fanook | good aim |
| 01:17.58 | Kebinusan | yeah all that time playing with the cannon at the darkmoon faire I guess |
| 01:19.06 | Fanook | i did that once, stopped once i got nothing for a bullseye |
| 01:19.49 | Dagen | Arog, you rock.. thanks for those links ;) |
| 01:21.10 | Kirkburn | You get ... nothing! |
| 01:21.18 | Kirkburn | You lose! |
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| 01:29.06 | Fanook | stupid patch, turns off old addons even though nothing in the api changed |
| 01:30.01 | zespri | hm the 1.10.* patches didn't change toc number after 10.0 |
| 01:30.16 | Mikk1 | "oops" |
| 01:30.27 | zespri | or maybe they just like 11110 better. |
| 01:33.47 | Legorol | what, there's a toc change? |
| 01:33.58 | Legorol | blimey |
| 01:34.48 | Kirkburn | eh? |
| 01:34.53 | Fanook | can't be. i have addons that are still up-to-date |
| 01:35.09 | Kirkburn | Blizz wouldn't be that stupid :P |
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| 01:35.32 | Shadowed | always a first |
| 01:35.35 | zespri | uh ok. then Fanook just messed up =) |
| 01:35.40 | Kirkburn | I'm disappointed no-one got my Wily Wonka reference earlier :( |
| 01:35.57 | Kirkburn | *Willy (not often you get to say that) |
| 01:36.29 | Legorol | no Fanook is probably right |
| 01:36.34 | Legorol | patches always turn off outofdate addons |
| 01:36.37 | Legorol | even if no TOC change |
| 01:36.51 | Legorol | <zespri> or maybe they just like 11110 better <= i thought you got this from FrameXML.toc |
| 01:37.12 | zespri | no, just was blindly guessing what Fankook meant =) |
| 01:37.22 | cReDiAr | 11110 ? isn't it 11100 |
| 01:37.40 | zespri | I'm at work so it's the only thing left to me - to blindly guess |
| 01:37.46 | Kirkburn | No it's now: 11111111111111eleventyzwo"lf! |
| 01:38.45 | Kirkburn | The real Star Trek tag-line: "To blindy stumble where everyone else has gone before" |
| 01:39.22 | Kirkburn | I should go into stand-up, I really should :/ |
| 01:39.48 | Legorol | \o/ |
| 01:40.05 | Fanook | ~golfclap |
| 01:40.13 | Legorol | The Blizz Downloader is so smarthened.. it says my computer appears to be behind a firewall |
| 01:40.16 | Legorol | no kidding! |
| 01:40.27 | Kirkburn | At least they spell check ;) |
| 01:41.01 | Kirkburn | Oh no he din't! *snap snap* |
| 01:42.43 | Wobin | omg |
| 01:42.54 | Wobin | Kirkburn, the whitest black woman ever |
| 01:43.16 | Fanook | he was born a po' black child |
| 01:49.50 | Legorol | the dastards, they've moved the tracker for the retail-to-1.11.0 download |
| 01:50.16 | Legorol | i have to go through my usual dance to get a new downloader for the full 1.11.0 patch |
| 01:50.31 | kergoth | Fanook: hahah |
| 01:50.36 | kergoth | i need to buy The Jerk on dvd |
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| 01:59.46 | zespri_work | bloody patch doesn't want to download. it's not patch fault of course, but my connection's |
| 02:00.20 | Fanook | woot! Cartman is Dead! |
| 02:06.39 | Mikk1 | Cide: Competition! http://www.wowwiki.com/ORa |
| 02:07.11 | Cide | if you want to call it competition, go ahead :) |
| 02:07.41 | Mikk1 | no idea, i just noticed the new page on the wiki =) |
| 02:07.51 | Cide | it's not really new |
| 02:11.27 | cladhaire | i dont think even haste would call it competition =) |
| 02:11.35 | cladhaire | just a way to get the benefits of ctra without the frames |
| 02:11.46 | cladhaire | and he'd probably drop it in a second if the comm stuff for ctra was split out. |
| 02:21.09 | Legorol | it's called default UI :) |
| 02:21.21 | Legorol | let's have a look at the features this amazing compilation offers: |
| 02:21.24 | Legorol | - raid frames |
| 02:21.27 | Legorol | - ready checks |
| 02:21.27 | Mikk1 | I was gonna say "It doesn't have readycheck" but .. uhm ... =P |
| 02:21.32 | Kebinusan | the ready check is ass |
| 02:21.32 | Legorol | - chat channel management |
| 02:21.38 | Legorol | - a full blow raid chat channel |
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| 02:21.49 | Kebinusan | the raid frames werent tehre when ctra had them :-) |
| 02:21.58 | Legorol | not to mention that it's developed by a professional body, |
| 02:22.03 | Legorol | and they release regular updates |
| 02:22.09 | Kebinusan | profession != quality |
| 02:22.15 | Mikk1 | cide releases more often =) |
| 02:22.28 | Legorol | not only regular, but in fact this compilation called default UI keeps uptodate with the game |
| 02:22.33 | Legorol | it's never one step behind |
| 02:22.41 | Legorol | it's got to be the most uptodate compilation ever |
| 02:22.57 | Cide | always works after a patch, I've heard |
| 02:23.06 | Mikk1 | i heard it bugs sometimes |
| 02:23.08 | cladhaire | lol =) |
| 02:23.14 | cladhaire | its bugged right now |
| 02:23.23 | cladhaire | its loading before any other addons are loaded =0 |
| 02:23.26 | cladhaire | every time |
| 02:23.33 | Cide | hmm, scary. |
| 02:23.40 | Mikk1 | blizz needs to tell me how to do that hax |
| 02:23.50 | cladhaire | Mikk1: Trigger the LoadAddOn from FrameXML =) |
| 02:24.31 | Cide | it is, I'm sure |
| 02:24.32 | zespri_work | of course it is |
| 02:24.38 | Mikk1 | yeayea ;) |
| 02:25.59 | zespri_work | how to use a trinket from lua? (assuming you know everything about this particular trinket)? |
| 02:26.33 | cladhaire | UseInventoryItem() i believe? something like that |
| 02:26.52 | zespri_work | cheers |
| 02:27.38 | Mikk1 | Why does someone create a wiki guild page for their guild AFTER it dies? |
| 02:27.58 | Cide | the memory lives on? :) |
| 02:28.03 | zespri_work | and how to activate an action button from lua? there is no UseAction i suppose? |
| 02:28.46 | Mikk1 | head on |
| 02:28.49 | Mikk1 | http://w |
| 02:28.58 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UseAction |
| 02:31.08 | Mikk1 | hahaha |
| 02:31.20 | Mikk1 | How to solve interop problems: |
| 02:31.27 | Mikk1 | DisableAddOn("StupidAddOn"); |
| 02:31.53 | Thrae | MCP is good for that, as long as you don't mind Saien coding it. |
| 02:32.55 | cladhaire | ./ace disable stupidaddon |
| 02:32.57 | Mikk1 | nono, i mean changing YOUR mod to ship with a line like that =) |
| 02:32.59 | cladhaire | ./ace enable stupidaddon =) |
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| 02:37.05 | Kemayo | Oh, how one loves power cuts. |
| 02:37.31 | Thrae | Do you live in Maryland, Kemayo? |
| 02:37.49 | Kemayo | Nope, California. |
| 02:38.07 | Thrae | Well then what a coincidence, we just had a 1-hour blackout here ;) |
| 02:38.23 | Mikk1 | Hehe. My computers have been down to me moving more often than blackouts. |
| 02:38.37 | Tain | hah I lived in the Bay Area for a while, brownouts were constant. |
| 02:39.01 | Tain | Of course they call them brownouts as if it's better that only you lost power and not the entire city. |
| 02:39.01 | Mikk1 | Fook, I can't even remember a blackout in the past 10 years. |
| 02:39.16 | Mikk1 | Ohwait. One. |
| 02:40.43 | Kemayo | This is the first appreciable power outage in a year or so. (And the last one was because construction workers severed a major gas line so they powered down and evacuated our neighbourhood...) |
| 02:41.42 | Mikk1 | Is that really the right sequence of events though? =P |
| 02:41.51 | Mikk1 | Power down -> People start lighting candles -> *poof* |
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| 02:43.41 | Ktron | Quick,anyone know the 'bouncing' anime girl flash animation with the really catchy song? anyone have a link? |
| 02:44.15 | Ktron | The girl is Orihime from Bleach if that helps |
| 02:44.55 | Tain | Richard Simmons: Sweating to the Oldies? |
| 02:48.33 | Ktron | got it: http://dojo.fi/~rancid/loituma__.swf |
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| 02:49.56 | zespri_work | they are insane there in blizz http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/8874046.htm |
| 02:50.21 | zespri_work | the net result for me is that when I log in I see download 0% and it jsut hangs there indefinitely |
| 02:51.12 | MentalPower | anyone else having issues getting the 1.11.1 patch downloaded? |
| 02:51.17 | Tain | Everyone. |
| 02:51.18 | Gryphen | i just logged in ok |
| 02:51.27 | Gryphen | MentalPower read the link |
| 02:51.39 | Gryphen | there is no patch to download till tomorrow |
| 02:51.41 | Tain | supposedly you can skip the patch and still get in though. |
| 02:51.46 | Tain | Uh.. |
| 02:51.57 | Tain | I just sat at a, "Downloading patch" screen for 20 minuts. |
| 02:52.18 | Gryphen | i logged in with no indication of any patch activity |
| 02:54.17 | Shadowed | We had prepared a small patch intended to fix a soft lock issue and unfortunately due to some internal miscommunication it was pushed during prime time. This caused players who attempted to login and download the patch to endure a very lengthy download session. We've since pulled the patch and players should once again be able to return to the game. We plan to apply the patch tomorrow morning at 3:00 AM PDT during off-peak hours w |
| 02:54.24 | Gryphen | lol |
| 02:55.10 | Tain | then they pulled it in the last 10 minutes or so. |
| 02:55.31 | Tain | Regardless I'm not sitting stuck after the character select screen. |
| 02:55.37 | Tain | s/not/now/ |
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| 03:11.56 | KarlKFI | mmm, shorter hair |
| 03:13.10 | KarlKFI | yeah, i was disc and had to patch before i could login |
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| 03:17.38 | Tain | And now I can't log in one single character. |
| 03:18.08 | Tain | Others, fine. One, hangs on load. |
| 03:38.50 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi: you happen to be there sweetie? |
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| 03:42.24 | Thiana | *blinks* Umm? |
| 03:42.35 | Cairenn | that's our site programmer extraordinare, he's the one that could more properly answer the questions you just posed me |
| 03:42.56 | Cairenn | unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be at keys at present |
| 03:43.10 | Cairenn | but he's the one that makes all the magic happen on the site |
| 03:43.36 | Tain | Try try try to understand... he's a magic man. |
| 03:44.02 | Thiana | Ah ok :) |
| 03:44.37 | Cide | he's the magical trevor of wowi, so to say |
| 03:44.46 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:44.52 | Cairenn | he's THE MAN! |
| 03:44.58 | Cide | indeed |
| 03:46.36 | Cairenn | So, how has everyone's day been? |
| 03:47.18 | Tain | Decidedly mediocre. |
| 03:47.22 | Tain | Plus I can't log in. |
| 03:47.41 | Cairenn | Yeah, so I heard |
| 03:47.45 | Shadowed | Remembering how boring it is to be on a waitlist for raids |
| 03:47.46 | Cairenn | they really messed up it seems |
| 03:48.01 | Tain | The bad part is I can log in one character but not another on the same server. |
| 03:48.23 | Cairenn | Seems I lucked out (for a change). Got home after they'd pulled the patch and was able to log in with no problems. |
| 03:48.43 | Tain | Also it burns when I pee. |
| 03:48.47 | Tain | Oh wait. |
| 03:48.51 | Tain | Strike that. |
| 03:48.55 | Cairenn | Okay, that's over-sharing. |
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| 03:51.50 | gnorlish | if i ever meet someone on the street who admits working for blizzard's WoW team |
| 03:52.01 | gnorlish | i'm going to have some serious questions for them |
| 03:52.22 | kergoth | chatr is rather neat |
| 03:53.31 | Thrae | Ace has spoiled me. I realized I don't know how to do SavedVariables on my own. |
| 03:53.41 | Tain | haha Thrae I know what you mean. |
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| 03:54.01 | Thrae | When you are making the SavedVariables database for the first time, is it an empty table, or is it nil? |
| 03:54.16 | gnorlish | thrae! |
| 03:54.26 | gnorlish | need more miniscule tinytip pushes! |
| 03:54.32 | Thrae | Haha |
| 03:54.56 | Thrae | I can't, because my version isn't working yet because of the massive API changes I've done. |
| 03:54.59 | gnorlish | you're lucky |
| 03:55.13 | gnorlish | blizz blew up their game tonight |
| 03:55.16 | gnorlish | and i gave up on raiding |
| 03:55.19 | Thrae | I seperated them out into modules which you can just delete or disable in the TOC. |
| 03:55.37 | Thrae | In case you really want a TINYTip, going back to the name ;) |
| 03:56.07 | Tain | I never used that Target of Target stuff. I don't care who he's targetting! I just kill. |
| 03:56.25 | Cairenn | Tain: you brute! |
| 03:56.26 | Tain | Also no need to know who else is targetting my target. |
| 03:56.33 | gnorlish | and you would be |
| 03:56.35 | gnorlish | a rogue |
| 03:56.41 | Thrae | Target Of Target is for tanks, targeted by is for DPS and sheep'rs |
| 03:56.45 | Tain | Obviously if I'm attacking it it must be the right target. |
| 03:56.58 | Thrae | Of course, we all know Tain plays a Human Peasant in Militia mode. |
| 03:56.59 | Shadowed | ToT is actually very useful for Rogues |
| 03:57.22 | Tain | How! |
| 03:57.35 | Tain | If it's hitting me I know it, if it's hitting someone else.. ehn their problem. |
| 03:57.36 | Thrae | Ah right, know when to Feint (either in-game or out of game) |
| 03:57.45 | Shadowed | You don't need Feint in PVP though! |
| 03:58.02 | Tain | No, but I'll *never* get tired of Distract in PVP. |
| 03:58.06 | Shadowed | haha |
| 03:58.12 | Thrae | In PvP you can just Vanish. And Paladins can use it to know when to Shield+Hearth! |
| 03:58.21 | Thrae | Distract actually works against players? |
| 03:58.25 | Shadowed | yep |
| 03:58.30 | Tain | Actually Distract makes problems for me because I end up laughing too hard to do anything. |
| 03:58.51 | Thrae | Does it make them lose their target too, or just change directions? |
| 03:58.56 | Shadowed | Knowing who's targetting you can become helpful in PVP |
| 03:58.59 | Shadowed | direction |
| 03:59.01 | Gryphen | i like distracting them when they eat or drink |
| 03:59.05 | Tain | Oh yeah Thrae it's so awesome, they turn the other way |
| 03:59.24 | Shadowed | I havn't played my Rogue for about 5-6 months though |
| 03:59.47 | Thrae | You could probably set up a macro to distract + ambush all in one keypress |
| 03:59.57 | gnorlish | distract has a large range |
| 04:00.04 | Shadowed | Distract activates the global cooldown if i remember right |
| 04:00.14 | Thrae | Ah right, because you need to know where to set it |
| 04:00.36 | Thrae | Druids have a distract too, it's "WTF is that a stealthed Druid I just saw?" |
| 04:00.37 | Shadowed | And isn't clicking protected anyway? meaning you can't just make it click in the middle of the screen |
| 04:00.55 | Thrae | Right, that's what I meant, I forgot it was considered a Bomb :D |
| 04:56.11 | Kemayo_ | Is there any event that fires when you get near enough to another party member to tell whether you share any quests with them? |
| 04:57.47 | Kemayo | Or am I stuck just testing every so often while the player is in a group? |
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| 05:58.15 | mjc | anyone use aceheal? |
| 06:01.11 | Cairenn | I'm sure lots of folk do |
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| 06:09.52 | Tem | Why does Photoshop hate me? |
| 06:10.04 | Shadowed | Photoshop hates a lot of people |
| 06:10.14 | Tem | it is resuing to let me save the alpha layer on this |
| 06:10.18 | Tem | refusing |
| 06:10.38 | Tem | so I get a really ugly white square in wow |
| 06:10.50 | Shadowed | On the plus side you can get your texture to show now |
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| 06:12.22 | Tem | Ah I found it |
| 06:12.36 | Tem | it wouldn't let me save it with the alpha channel because I had converted to grayscale |
| 06:12.44 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
| 06:12.48 | Tem | later MentalPower |
| 06:13.31 | Cairenn | night MentalPower |
| 06:14.25 | Tem | oh man |
| 06:14.30 | Tem | still doesn't show up right |
| 06:14.50 | Tem | one of these days I'm going to do something with a texture and it's going to work the first time |
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| 06:19.27 | Tem | yay |
| 06:19.28 | Tem | I win |
| 06:20.06 | Fanook | ~temsnack |
| 06:20.35 | Tem | bleh |
| 06:20.39 | Tem | it still looks bad |
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| 06:37.23 | Tyaneas | Morning. Is there an IDE to help me develop a simple UI so i can focus more on my .lua code ? |
| 06:47.41 | mjc | meh |
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| 06:54.08 | mjc | anyone have an addon that picks the appropriate rank of a spell? |
| 06:54.30 | mjc | I want to use clique on my priest and auto-rank :p |
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| 08:32.21 | zespri | Is it true that if my FPS, say, 10, I'll receive 10 UPDATE events every second? |
| 08:34.44 | krka|work | yes |
| 08:39.50 | zespri | thank you |
| 08:40.21 | Iriel | OnUpdate is invoked right _before_ your screen is redrawn (rather than right after), if that helps |
| 08:43.03 | zespri | well, my specific problem is that I want to do something for the 120 action buttons, but if I do it al in-place it freezes abit. I want to distribute it over several onupdate events - the problem is old as earth. So I'm wondering how many buttons should I process per on update so it's doesn't freeze but yet not too sluggish |
| 08:43.33 | Iriel | Whenevr your OnUpdate is called, arg1 is the amount of time since the last call |
| 08:43.38 | Iriel | I think it's fractional seconds |
| 08:44.39 | KarlKFI | miliseconds i think |
| 08:45.37 | Iriel | It's seconds |
| 08:45.45 | s|loup | yes seconds |
| 08:45.50 | Iriel | (I just checked the ActionButton code) |
| 08:46.12 | KarlKFI | orly? |
| 08:46.38 | KarlKFI | finally got the buff wrapping all pretty: http://static.curse-gaming.com/mscreens/9278.jpg |
| 08:48.12 | krka|work | exactly what are you doing for all 120 action buttons? |
| 08:48.33 | Wobin | Christmas lights =) |
| 08:50.31 | MoonWolf | .... |
| 08:51.45 | Iriel | night all |
| 08:52.00 | krka|work | morning |
| 08:55.25 | KarlKFI | well I know CastOptions adds mana coloring |
| 08:55.36 | KarlKFI | which happens on all the action buttons |
| 08:56.09 | KarlKFI | and it definitely slows things down. Thankfully we have a new guy workign on it who added a dissable option :) |
| 08:56.21 | Wobin | You could make it more efficient by only checking the visible buttons |
| 08:56.31 | Wobin | (but yes, it'd still slow things down) |
| 08:57.28 | KarlKFI | yeah.. could have used the old chronos threading code |
| 08:58.38 | KarlKFI | not that it's really hard to make it do 30 at a time |
| 08:59.40 | KarlKFI | but i think the chronos had a timer ellement so it would do as many as possible up to 30 so long as it didn't take longer than x amount of time based on some desired fps |
| 09:00.38 | KarlKFI | so.. i still can't figure out why this editbox truncates |
| 09:01.03 | KarlKFI | but iriel vannished so there's no hope now |
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| 09:22.20 | mjc | lol |
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| 09:32.07 | Tyaneas | is it possible to have an xml with data (text) and load it inside game within a frame ? |
| 09:32.29 | Maldivia | not directly |
| 09:32.37 | Tyaneas | something like a small assistant window with text to guide through questing |
| 09:32.45 | KarlKFI | wha? |
| 09:33.23 | Tyaneas | a small window (frame) that displays text that you have defined in an xml file |
| 09:33.32 | Tyaneas | like Tips |
| 09:33.34 | KarlKFI | yes.. |
| 09:33.58 | Tyaneas | so you press next button on the frame and you read the next child in the xml which holds the next tip |
| 09:34.00 | Tyaneas | something like that |
| 09:34.03 | s|loup | yesterday i found out that that SpellTargetUnit needs a hardware interrupt and so i dont know how to target a spell when clicking on a unitframe with targetting spell |
| 09:34.15 | KarlKFI | you could.. but why? |
| 09:34.31 | Maldivia | well, the game can't parse custom xml files, so the tips would have to be stored in a different way |
| 09:34.52 | KarlKFI | wha? |
| 09:35.11 | KarlKFI | i'm so confused.. |
| 09:35.23 | Tyaneas | different way ? |
| 09:35.28 | KarlKFI | you can do it all in xml, but it'd be dumb not to do it in lua |
| 09:36.13 | Maldivia | KarlKFI: I was thinking he wanted an xml file like <tips><tip>Some text</tip><tip>Another tip here</tip><!-- etc --></tips> |
| 09:36.18 | Tyaneas | i was thinking that the default xml could hold the UI structure, the .lua file the logic of this small addon and my .xml file the data to be presented inside the game |
| 09:36.33 | Tyaneas | Maldivia: yes something like that |
| 09:36.50 | Maldivia | Tyaneas: that can't be done. All xml files are read as if it's UI XML files |
| 09:37.04 | Maldivia | Tyaneas: but you can easily define the tips in a lua table instead |
| 09:37.30 | Tyaneas | i see |
| 09:38.07 | Maldivia | that's what I meant with "different way" :) |
| 09:38.28 | Tyaneas | lua table is something like an array ? |
| 09:38.47 | Maldivia | a combination of an array and a dictionary/hashmap |
| 09:39.06 | Maldivia | can work as either, or both at the same time |
| 09:40.47 | Maldivia | for instance: tips = { "Tip 1", "Tip 2", "Tip 3 } |
| 09:40.58 | Maldivia | now tips[1] will contain "Tip 1", tec |
| 09:41.00 | Maldivia | etc* |
| 09:42.58 | Tyaneas | well i've never coded anything in .lua or wow API. Do you think it's a difficult project for a beginner like me ? |
| 09:44.23 | Maldivia | mo as such, it's sounds as a good place to start, not overly complicated, and yet have a bit more flavour than a simple Hello World |
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| 09:49.50 | Tyaneas | is WOW UI DESIGNER a good choice to design my simple frame with a couple of button so i could concentrate more on the lua code ? |
| 09:50.10 | Maldivia | No idea, never used it |
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| 09:58.50 | Tyaneas | Maldivia is there a way that the lua file reads the data from an xml file ? Cause i was thinking that would be easier to update the actual text withou going inside the .lua code |
| 10:01.57 | Maldivia | Tyaneas: not from within WoW |
| 10:10.01 | KarlKFI | Cosmos Release pushed to r3730 |
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| 10:14.15 | zenzelezz | I would be more impressed with Codemasters spamming me about an MMO if they didn't try to push two on me as "one of THE most anticipated" at the same time |
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| 10:41.52 | Kaso | Ok, so anyone got a link to the *correct* EU patch, beacuse blizzard clearly cant provide this. |
| 10:43.33 | Kaso | never mind |
| 10:52.03 | Maldivia | heh |
| 10:52.37 | Maldivia | which pathc ? |
| 10:59.13 | Kaso | minipatch to fix the softlocks people were getting |
| 10:59.25 | Kaso | for some reason the old wow-patch was interferering. |
| 11:00.37 | Maldivia | they patched EU servers aswell? |
| 11:01.00 | Kaso | yup |
| 11:01.12 | Maldivia | hmm, when ? |
| 11:01.25 | Kaso | this morning |
| 11:01.25 | Maldivia | Ok |
| 11:01.30 | Kaso | make sure you delete all the files from the 1.1 patch bfore you log on :> |
| 11:01.51 | zenzelezz | "delete all the files from the 1.1 patch"? |
| 11:01.59 | Maldivia | you mean the wow-patch dir = |
| 11:02.00 | Maldivia | ? |
| 11:02.24 | Kaso | yeh |
| 11:03.11 | Maldivia | hmm ,ok |
| 11:03.16 | zenzelezz | aha... I was wondering if you meant settings and such |
| 11:07.59 | Maldivia | hmm, port 3724 have been blocked here at work... go ssh tunneling! :) |
| 11:10.02 | zenzelezz | I find my workplace's setup pretty funky now... the computers aren't great in any way; but they boot up to a Linux GUI where the only thing you can do is start the WTS thingie that logs you remotely on to W2003 |
| 11:10.29 | zenzelezz | awfully restricted permissions for everything too... only thing I can do is surf the web |
| 11:10.49 | Maldivia | I have full admin rights over this computer :9 |
| 11:11.33 | Maldivia | but the network has some funny firewall rules... so I normally have several ssh tunnels running |
| 11:12.06 | zenzelezz | I don't mind much... it's better than the previous NT4-mess; and I don't work long/have much spare time anyway \o/ |
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| 11:43.29 | Kaso | Have we always had the ability to speak the opposite faction's lanuage in raid and party |
| 11:53.43 | haste | as far as I know - yes |
| 11:53.50 | haste | it doesn't show up anything in say at least |
| 11:55.27 | Kaso | just got a surprise when RaidBidder started Doing it's auction in common |
| 11:55.57 | Kaso | dunno why the auther didnt use GetDefaultLanguage("player") |
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| 11:57.07 | haste | or just nil |
| 11:57.44 | Kaso | Seei 've got a sneaking suspision they're going to "bug-fix" that or something at some point |
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| 12:27.25 | Maldivia | hmm |
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| 12:31.54 | Industrial | quitting and rejoining is the new idling |
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| 12:40.00 | MoonWolf | quit rpg! |
| 12:41.04 | Wobin | What are your tactics for Mandokir? |
| 12:47.11 | Maldivia | and apparently peer is the evil GM in the game :| |
| 12:55.03 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 12:55.08 | JoshBorke | bored this morning? |
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| 13:15.17 | zenzelezz | I wonder if I'm missing out on something... I seem to see people without armor all over my server (not everyone, just a lot) o_O |
| 13:18.53 | Maldivia | are they naked, when you inspect them aswell? |
| 13:19.22 | zenzelezz | mostly. Wearing a few items usually, but generally unequipped most of it |
| 13:19.29 | Maldivia | hmm, ok... |
| 13:19.43 | zenzelezz | don't think it's a bug, just some sort of peculiar behavior O_o |
| 13:19.44 | Maldivia | otherwise I would have suggested that it was your WDB files that's been fucked up by the patch :) |
| 13:20.27 | Maldivia | if the itemcache file becomes corruped, then you'll see exactly what you're describing - people running around naked |
| 13:20.45 | zenzelezz | that's always a possibility, though I would find it odd if this minor soft-lock patch broke them for me |
| 13:20.54 | zenzelezz | not that it matters much either way =) |
| 13:21.10 | Maldivia | it's a new patch version, hence a new itemcache file format |
| 13:22.35 | Kaso | "[string "BibKeyRingFrame:OnLoad "]:3:RegisterForSave() is only available for blizzard scripts." <-- WTF a addon written for 1.11 is using a funciton removed in 1.9 ^_- |
| 13:23.36 | Maldivia | tsk tsk |
| 13:23.58 | Maldivia | they dont test their addons before releasing them ? |
| 13:24.40 | Kaso | Who knows, apparently someone in my priest channel just got that error after 1.11.1 but never had it in 1.11, which is odd |
| 13:26.05 | Maldivia | patch 1.11.1 seems a bit odd... hasted if you'd like |
| 13:26.44 | Kaso | did they change any UI stuff to stop the lockups or was it all behind the scenes stuff |
| 13:27.15 | Kaso | wdn.wowinterface.com isnt updated yet. |
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| 13:37.21 | Maldivia | no UI changes |
| 13:37.28 | Maldivia | well, no xml and lua changes |
| 13:38.04 | Kirkburn | Oooh: "To prevent spamming, a fix has been implemented which will allow players to only chat in the LFG channel every 10 seconds. " |
| 13:38.14 | Maldivia | uhh! |
| 13:38.15 | zenzelezz | okay, this is starting to freak me out... going to try annihilating my WDB folder |
| 13:39.01 | zenzelezz | is it normal to have a file called "itemtextcache.wdb" and one called "itemtextcaxhe.wdb"? |
| 13:39.45 | Maldivia | I have that aswell |
| 13:39.47 | Kirkburn | I think there was something about a spelling mistake |
| 13:39.57 | Kirkburn | What are the last modified dates? |
| 13:40.11 | zenzelezz | caxhe was 5th June, the other one was today |
| 13:40.13 | Maldivia | the caxhe seems to be 1.11.0, and cache 1.11.1 |
| 13:40.25 | Kirkburn | Yeah, they fixed a spelling mistake |
| 13:40.30 | Maldivia | hmm, then caxhe 1.10.2 |
| 13:41.02 | zenzelezz | well, I'm in Silithus so people are sparse... but so far no nudes (after deleting the WDB folder) |
| 13:41.30 | Maldivia | you closed down wow before deleting it, right? |
| 13:41.36 | zenzelezz | of course |
| 13:41.48 | Maldivia | :9 |
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| 13:59.06 | Legorolo | good afternoon |
| 13:59.12 | Legorolo | Thanks very much to everyone who answered my DHCP questions yesterday |
| 13:59.25 | Legorolo | I'm happy to report that the machine in question is happily running dhcp now |
| 14:00.08 | Legorolo | there are still some configuration oddities, but the machine can now be reached by its DNS name from elsewhere, which was the most important goal |
| 14:00.34 | Legorolo | Oh and it was Red Hat release 9 (Shrike) running a kernel version 2.4.20-8 |
| 14:00.41 | Legorolo | I have no idea what that means but you guys probably do :) |
| 14:00.56 | Legorolo | how old is that? |
| 14:01.31 | krka|work | how did you solve it? |
| 14:01.38 | krka|work | 2.4 isn't overly old |
| 14:01.47 | Maldivia | Legorolo: pretty old :) |
| 14:02.04 | Maldivia | latest 2.4 kernel is 2.4.32, from: 2005-11-16 |
| 14:02.09 | krka|work | 2.6 came 2005 |
| 14:03.40 | Maldivia | ChangeLog-2.4.20, 28-Nov-2002 23:54 |
| 14:04.25 | Legorolo | i just checked wikipedia, RH Release 9 is 31/3/2003 |
| 14:04.28 | Legorolo | surprisingly recent |
| 14:04.38 | Legorolo | someone must have updated it to taht, because the machine is certainly older |
| 14:04.48 | Legorolo | krka: in the end i just typed netconfig |
| 14:04.53 | Legorolo | specified DHCP and that's that |
| 14:04.55 | krka|work | cool |
| 14:05.03 | Legorolo | somewhere there is some static IP configuration remaining too though |
| 14:05.14 | Legorolo | because when i try ping hostname |
| 14:05.23 | Legorolo | it tries the old, static ip |
| 14:05.33 | Legorolo | but when i try ping host.with.fully.qualified.dns.name |
| 14:05.40 | Legorolo | then it tries to ping the new, dynamic ip it is getting |
| 14:06.01 | krka|work | check /etc/hosts |
| 14:06.10 | Legorolo | yeah that's what i thought, but i won't bother :) |
| 14:06.24 | Legorolo | i sorted the machine out to the extent that it can be conected to |
| 14:06.24 | krka|work | cool |
| 14:06.24 | Legorolo | now i'll give it back to the people to use |
| 14:06.33 | Legorolo | they can find someone else to sort the rest out |
| 14:06.59 | Legorolo | i was a kind of emergency person to sort it because they did't have anyone who knows about computers |
| 14:07.10 | Legorolo | and they needed to connect to it |
| 14:07.32 | Legorolo | there were some other lovely parts to the story, such as the people administering the DHCP service had the wrong MAC address on file |
| 14:07.44 | Legorolo | years ago when someone filled in a form about this machine, they must've made a typo |
| 14:08.22 | Legorolo | all in all, thanks very much for the "netconfig" tip! |
| 14:08.37 | Legorolo | i looked around in /etc/sysconfig/networking and there were loads of files.. |
| 14:08.41 | Legorolo | i wouldn't have known what to change :) |
| 14:09.11 | krka|work | when in doubt, change as much as possible |
| 14:33.43 | Kirkburn | hehe, strange grammatical constructions you find on the wiki: "...in the upcoming future" |
| 14:34.23 | Kaso | well you know , you've gotta keep that future that never comes in mind. |
| 14:49.42 | End | hrm |
| 14:49.53 | End | ok, I'm still connected here... |
| 14:50.38 | zenzelezz | lies |
| 14:51.07 | End | ! |
| 14:57.28 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: well, as afar as I know, the future is "upcomming" :) |
| 14:57.46 | Kirkburn | hopefully =) |
| 14:57.48 | zenzelezz | key words being "as far as you know"! |
| 15:04.22 | zenzelezz | "How to Legally Rob Banks (Pics Included)" |
| 15:04.26 | zenzelezz | my spam is getting interesting |
| 15:16.32 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MoonWolf (n=moonwolf@f176182.upc-f.chello.nl) |
| 15:20.43 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, how about "I am Ling Chinese Human Female UK Car Expert" |
| 15:21.10 | zenzelezz | I don't get any of those |
| 15:21.29 | zenzelezz | just advice on stocks that will skyrocket ANY DAY NOW!! and pasta pots |
| 15:21.30 | Kirkburn | lol: "I am unique in the UK! |
| 15:21.31 | Kirkburn | I bring you best UK car takeaway service menu!" |
| 15:21.54 | MoonWolf | Kirkburn, wow. |
| 15:21.55 | MoonWolf | cool |
| 15:22.08 | MoonWolf | ill have the fried honda with the raw car tires please. |
| 15:22.12 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 15:22.31 | MoonWolf | supersize it! |
| 15:22.47 | Kirkburn | "NEW FEATURE "There is no free lunch" - YES THERE IS! I bring you free lunch. Nowhere else give you this offer! - Ling" |
| 15:23.12 | zenzelezz | sounds like you really read your spam |
| 15:23.17 | Kirkburn | "Who is Jeremy Clarkson? I exterminate! I test drive cars myself to give you idea of quality and speed." |
| 15:23.30 | Kirkburn | madness :P |
| 15:24.08 | Kirkburn | hrm: "This is my Chinese Nuclear Rocket Truck 6x6 |
| 15:24.09 | Kirkburn | 7.0 V8, I park it next to A1(M) at Darlington |
| 15:24.09 | Kirkburn | " |
| 15:24.29 | Kirkburn | I have a feeling it isn't real now ... |
| 15:24.52 | MoonWolf | 6x6 .... wow.... how does THAT look ? |
| 15:25.08 | Kirkburn | Maybe it can flip over?? |
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| 15:26.05 | Kirkburn | http://home.asparagine.net/bloguploads/lingpic1.jpg |
| 15:26.17 | Kirkburn | I think I've found ling :) |
| 15:26.39 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 15:27.39 | Kirkburn | Oh deary me: http://www.lingscars.com/ |
| 15:27.43 | Maldivia | I though it was Waldo we should find? |
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| 15:28.21 | Maldivia | thought* |
| 15:28.48 | Kirkburn | it's ... real?? |
| 15:29.15 | Kaso | Ha i know where that is |
| 15:29.26 | MoonWolf | lies alway's work best when combined with truth |
| 15:29.50 | Kirkburn | No really |
| 15:29.56 | Kirkburn | It appears to be real |
| 15:30.00 | Kaso | it is real |
| 15:30.03 | Kaso | its near where my dad lives |
| 15:30.08 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 15:30.20 | Kirkburn | where's that? |
| 15:30.26 | Kaso | She has this old SCUD launcher by the side of a road with her advert on the side of it |
| 15:30.44 | Kaso | Dad lives in Durham, but ling's is nearer newcastle if i remeber correctly |
| 15:31.18 | Kirkburn | She is absoltely totally mad, whilst at the same time an absolute genius |
| 15:31.38 | Kirkburn | Apparently she got £10m worth of sales last year |
| 15:32.27 | Kirkburn | I'm glad I read that email now :P |
| 15:32.42 | Kaso | Any way of getting like a 1 second delay without having do goto the effort of using onupdate or a timing package. |
| 15:33.09 | Kaso | even half a second, maybe i should do a loop of like 10000 itterations or something |
| 15:35.25 | Kaso | DoStuff() collectgarbage() domorestuff() :> |
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| 15:42.12 | Maldivia | Kaso: DoStuff(); t = GetTime; while GetTime() < t + 0.5 do end DoSomethingElse() ? |
| 15:42.37 | Maldivia | add the missing () :) |
| 15:43.36 | Ratbert_CP | Kaso: Bad, bad idea. |
| 15:43.51 | Kaso | I was joking with the collectgarbage thing |
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| 15:44.16 | Ratbert_CP | You'll hang everything with a spinning loop. You need to get into OnUpdate either by hand or via a timing package. |
| 15:45.17 | Kaso | Both of those seem pointlessly difficult to make sure two messages appear in the right order |
| 15:46.24 | Kaso | bah i'll just cope with messages in the wrong order |
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| 16:47.53 | kremonte | anyone know how i would define a pattern that matches 3] but not [3]? [^%[](%d+)%] won't work >< |
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| 16:50.03 | Wulf4 | moin |
| 16:51.33 | Wulf4 | I want to replace the whole crafting frames with own stuff, how to do this? |
| 16:52.21 | kremonte | hm, wotche mean? |
| 16:52.45 | kremonte | taking a wild guess, but you could rename the crafting frame to something else, then define your own with the original name |
| 16:53.27 | Wulf4 | how to do this?! |
| 16:53.34 | Kaso | with alot of work |
| 16:54.38 | Wulf4 | can I unregister events other addons (e.g. the blizzard ones) registered? |
| 16:55.15 | kremonte | yes |
| 16:55.23 | kremonte | Frame:UnregisterEvent("event") |
| 16:55.56 | Cide | kremonte: [^%[]*(%d+)%] |
| 16:55.57 | Cide | should work |
| 16:56.44 | kremonte | lessee... |
| 16:57.51 | kremonte | hm, odd |
| 16:57.57 | kremonte | it works but it removes any spaces before it |
| 16:58.17 | kremonte | um |
| 16:58.20 | kremonte | it removes everything before it, wtf |
| 16:58.33 | Cide | makes sense |
| 16:58.42 | kremonte | huh? ._. |
| 16:58.55 | Cide | [^%[] matches anything but [ |
| 16:59.04 | Cide | * matches 0 to n of them |
| 16:59.26 | kremonte | i want it to match just the txt, but without a leading [ |
| 16:59.40 | kremonte | as its own word, perse |
| 17:00.09 | Cide | how are you calling it? |
| 17:00.16 | kremonte | string.gsub |
| 17:00.38 | kremonte | (making a way to type cyrillic chars ingame w/o setting windows unicode blabla to russian and friends_ |
| 17:00.48 | kremonte | you know, i think i should just change the way its replacing the chars |
| 17:01.32 | kremonte | stupid evil patterns |
| 17:01.36 | Cide | well, I'm not great at patterns, but |
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| 17:02.18 | Cide | you could do ([^%[]*)(%d+)%] and then replace with %1%2 or something |
| 17:02.24 | Cide | depending on what you want to do |
| 17:02.42 | Wulf4 | UIParent:UnregisterEvent("CRAFT_SHOW"); thanks! |
| 17:03.14 | kremonte | Cide: i dunno if it's worth the trouble tho. i just thought #] is pretty easy to type, but wanna be able to paste code ingame, heh |
| 17:03.23 | kremonte | {R#} works so much easier :X |
| 17:03.46 | kremonte | but hm |
| 17:03.47 | kremonte | i could try that |
| 17:04.43 | kremonte | yeh, that doesnt show anything >< |
| 17:08.58 | Elkano | is there an event like PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED that fires when a buff is renewed? |
| 17:09.40 | Cide | no |
| 17:10.00 | Cide | it used to fire when a buff was renewed (as opposed to UNIT_AURA), but it was changed at some point |
| 17:10.18 | Cide | now they both have the same behavior |
| 17:10.57 | Elkano | damn :/ so I'll have to check for updated buffs myself in order to sort them by timeleft without too much overhead :/ |
| 17:13.30 | zenzelezz | uh oh... my dad bought a new digital camera... I sense I will be heard about it a lot for the next week |
| 17:13.40 | zenzelezz | *hearing |
| 17:14.32 | Kirkburn | <-- stoopid. I just got milk all over myself :P Good thing was, I was just about to have a shower anyway =) |
| 17:15.07 | Kirkburn | What type, zenzelezz ? |
| 17:15.54 | zenzelezz | don't know... I was about to eat so I'm off the hook for half an hour or so |
| 17:16.22 | Kaelten | its for k,v in pairs(table) do right? |
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| 17:19.14 | Cide | yes |
| 17:19.21 | Cide | ipairs if it's integer indices |
| 17:20.33 | Kaelten | name expected near in ? |
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| 17:32.47 | kergoth | foo |
| 17:33.44 | krka | for k, v in table works too |
| 17:33.50 | krka | and is slightly faster |
| 17:35.36 | End | and is deprecated |
| 17:36.19 | kergoth | s/table/pairs(table)/ |
| 17:40.54 | Elkano | did 1.11.1 bring any interface file changes? |
| 17:41.23 | kergoth | just a bugfix |
| 17:41.25 | kergoth | afaik |
| 17:41.32 | kergoth | no interface bits |
| 17:59.43 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252) |
| 18:00.22 | Kaelten | anyone know if there is a particular event that fires when you switch bags around? |
| 18:01.25 | Tem | I'd guess BAG_UPDATE |
| 18:01.46 | Tem | but I've learned that the easiest way to deal with bags is to not deal with them at all |
| 18:01.54 | Tem | and let SEBags do it for it |
| 18:02.03 | Tem | s/r it/r you/ |
| 18:02.13 | zenzelezz | bags... who needs 'em anyway |
| 18:02.51 | Tem | ok, so it's time for me to learn something new in Photoshop |
| 18:03.43 | Tem | is there an easy way for me to measure a distance (preferably in pixels)? |
| 18:04.18 | Fanook | i think there's a ruler tool |
| 18:04.22 | krka | i think there's a tool for that |
| 18:04.22 | Tem | ideally, I could just use create a selection box and it would just tell me it's dementions |
| 18:04.38 | krka | it does |
| 18:04.48 | krka | show the info vindow |
| 18:05.20 | Tem | oh sweet |
| 18:05.21 | Tem | thanks |
| 18:05.26 | Tem | now I need to make it show me that in px |
| 18:05.55 | krka | there's a setting for that |
| 18:06.00 | krka | preferences > units |
| 18:06.02 | krka | or something |
| 18:06.10 | Fanook | tem: there's a ruler if you right click the eyedropper |
| 18:06.24 | Tem | yes! Thank you |
| 18:06.31 | Tem | both of you |
| 18:08.55 | krka | np |
| 18:13.17 | Shadowed | This video from IGN regarding flying mounts is kind of scary |
| 18:13.37 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 18:14.04 | Elkano | any feature request from here for BuffBar? |
| 18:14.21 | Kirkburn | What video? |
| 18:14.51 | Shadowed | I'm not sure if it's the fact that they use WoW characters and have people talking so it looks like it's an in game type of report or what |
| 18:15.19 | Shadowed | trying to figure out where the link is again |
| 18:15.49 | Shadowed | http://media.pc.ign.com/media/770/770472/vids_1.html |
| 18:16.06 | Elkano | is there any good documentation on <backdrop>? the one at wowwiki isn't that informative :/ |
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| 18:24.06 | Kirkburn | Damn download ... giddy up! Go faster! |
| 18:24.32 | Kirkburn | (thanks for the link Shadowed, I haven't seen the other videos on there) |
| 18:25.36 | Shadowed | Reading the General forums is actually useful sometimes! |
| 18:25.39 | Shadowed | Suprisingly enough |
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| 18:31.14 | Kirkburn | Apparently they're just the original trailers :( |
| 18:31.18 | Kirkburn | How so? |
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| 18:39.55 | Kirkburn1 | Wow, my laptop reeeally didn't like those IGN videos |
| 18:40.11 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, morning |
| 18:40.12 | Kirkburn1 | Apparently I got a STOP error, but it couldn't even cope with displaying it |
| 18:40.15 | ckknight | hey |
| 18:42.02 | JoshBorke | ( wereHamster ): morning :-) |
| 18:42.41 | JoshBorke | ( wereHamster ): hope you don't mind, but i'm copying your frame creation lua for HealWatch =D |
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| 18:43.11 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 18:43.38 | JoshBorke | ( ComicSansMS ): morning |
| 18:44.16 | MentalPower | morning |
| 18:44.22 | Kirkburn1 | Great vid of the flying mounts - they look pretty cool! Also, I think there was a glimpse of world PvP in it |
| 18:44.24 | ComicSansMS | it's evening in munich ;) |
| 18:45.05 | Kirkburn1 | Mmm, anche in Perugia :) I go home on saturday though :D |
| 18:45.44 | MentalPower | Kirkburn1: link? |
| 18:46.48 | Kirkburn1 | I would, but I crashed my PC ... two secs |
| 18:47.21 | MentalPower | eek, ok |
| 18:47.48 | Kirkburn1 | http://media.pc.ign.com/media/770/770472/vids_1.html |
| 18:47.57 | Kirkburn1 | "Flying Mounts Gnews Report" |
| 18:49.23 | Kirkburn1 | *sigh* silly blog posts about how char transfers are affecting addons |
| 18:50.07 | Tain | They will affect addons! |
| 18:50.14 | Kirkburn1 | Asking Blizz about why it's happening ... you would have thought they could look in the folders and see the folder names |
| 18:50.17 | Tain | Or at least per char saves. |
| 18:51.06 | Kirkburn1 | Specifically: http://azeroth.metblogs.com/archives/2006/06/after_the_transfer.phtml and http://www.wowinsider.com/2006/06/29/character-transfer-affecting-add-ons/ |
| 18:52.02 | Gryphen | n00blers can install an addon but can't rename a folder :/ |
| 18:52.14 | Tain | They shouldn't really have to. |
| 18:52.31 | JoshBorke | ( Tain ): why not? |
| 18:52.53 | Tain | I don't think end-users should have to know technical details about savevars. |
| 18:53.10 | Kirkburn1 | Is it mentioned on the FAQ? |
| 18:53.23 | Tain | I don't have any suggestions for a solution of course. |
| 18:53.28 | Kirkburn1 | (he's got good responses to the posts, fortunately) |
| 18:53.48 | Tain | But I think it's expecting far too much that users would know to do it. |
| 18:54.13 | Tain | It is one of the things I don't like about the current per chat sv system. |
| 18:54.44 | Tentacled | *char |
| 18:54.47 | Tain | Yeah yeah. |
| 18:55.09 | Kirkburn1 | Hard to improve, though |
| 18:55.21 | kergoth | is the thing where 'disable all' and 'enable all' break wrt character specific addon selection fixed yet? |
| 18:55.26 | Gryphen | unique character id number |
| 18:55.30 | kergoth | (affects all chars, even if a char is selected) |
| 18:55.35 | Gryphen | no name/server just id |
| 18:55.41 | Tain | I think there was a patch note about it kergoth but I haven't risked testing it. |
| 18:55.57 | Kirkburn | Not sure, but I think that's 1.11.2 |
| 18:55.58 | kergoth | yeah.. i'm pretty paranoid since being bitten by it before too |
| 18:56.28 | Tain | I'd like to see am improvement of the way Ace did profile saves before Blizz implemented. |
| 18:56.42 | Tain | Store saves completely independantly of the char. |
| 18:56.50 | Tain | Apply a save set to any character you want. |
| 18:56.55 | Gryphen | khaos does that too |
| 18:57.06 | Kirkburn | Oh, btw, just a general info article, in case anyone believes it to be true: http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2006/06/29/your-cell-phone-is-safe-from-telemarketers/ |
| 18:57.19 | Tain | Now Ace's profiles don't do all of that, but the idea is there. |
| 18:57.45 | Kirkburn | ckknight is working on Ace2 is he not? |
| 18:57.54 | Tain | It's being worked on yeah. |
| 18:58.12 | Kirkburn | Have you asked for that option then? =) |
| 18:58.18 | End | there's a beta or whatever version of ace2 out |
| 18:58.34 | Kirkburn | OOOh! Microsoft have just released Internet Explorer 7 Beta 3 to the public |
| 18:58.35 | kergoth | the profiles in ace2 look to be extremely flexible, more so than ace1's ever were |
| 18:58.43 | Tain | Alpha is being tested now. |
| 18:58.46 | Kirkburn | http://www.jcxp.net/news.php?newsid=1517 |
| 18:58.53 | Kirkburn | Beta 3 is early :/ |
| 18:59.22 | ckknight | Kirkburn, yea, I wrote most of it... |
| 18:59.31 | Kirkburn | Like, over a month early ... perhaps they're being spurred on by Firefox 2 |
| 19:00.02 | Gryphen | hate when people use 'have' following a sole entity |
| 19:00.03 | Kirkburn | I eagerly anticipating it, cos I'll likely move over to FuBar afterwards :) |
| 19:00.16 | Kirkburn | "I have" |
| 19:00.27 | Kirkburn | heheh |
| 19:00.29 | Gryphen | :p |
| 19:00.34 | Tain | I have cheeseburger. |
| 19:00.43 | Gryphen | Kirkburn have released a new ClearFont |
| 19:00.47 | JoshBorke | I want cheeseburger. |
| 19:00.52 | End | I have hunger. |
| 19:00.54 | Kirkburn | Me jealous. Me cook pasta now. |
| 19:00.54 | End | brb |
| 19:01.09 | kergoth | hmm...food.. |
| 19:01.15 | Kirkburn | Tarzan go fetch food for Jane. |
| 19:01.57 | Beladona | yeah apparently WinFS is officially dead |
| 19:02.01 | Beladona | they axed it |
| 19:02.08 | JoshBorke | ( Kirkburn ): question about ClearFont |
| 19:02.10 | Beladona | no delays, just plain dead |
| 19:02.43 | Beladona | way to go MS to take a technology that actually has a real impact and benefit, and kill it |
| 19:03.09 | JoshBorke | ( Kirkburn ): it appears that when i have ClearFont enabled (v 11100-2), it doesn't apply to the fonts in game, but when I disable it, it does apply... |
| 19:03.40 | Kirkburn | Where Jane? |
| 19:04.00 | Kirkburn | Now that makes no sense whatsoever |
| 19:04.10 | JoshBorke | ( Kirkburn ): i absotively agree |
| 19:04.26 | Kirkburn | All files in the right places, etc? |
| 19:04.31 | kergoth | "absotively" makes me want to stab something |
| 19:04.56 | JoshBorke | ( Kirkburn ): pretty sure, it's nice and pretty in the login screen |
| 19:04.59 | Kirkburn | :( It's a lovely word |
| 19:05.21 | Kirkburn | hrm |
| 19:05.29 | Fanook | kergoth: would you prefer posolutely? |
| 19:05.35 | JoshBorke | ok, i gotta go |
| 19:05.40 | JoshBorke | sorry kirkburn, just curious, it's kinda weird |
| 19:05.44 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 19:05.57 | Kirkburn | Beladona, it's going into other products |
| 19:06.21 | Kirkburn | It's not dead, but the idea of including it as a 'Windows file system' is |
| 19:09.52 | Tain | It was a pretty ambitious idea, it'll be good to see it incorporated into SQL Server first. |
| 19:09.55 | Beladona | the original purpose of it is dead though |
| 19:10.03 | Kirkburn | Aye |
| 19:10.11 | Beladona | I liked it |
| 19:10.13 | Beladona | =( |
| 19:10.18 | Kirkburn | Time to uninstall IE7 B2 |
| 19:10.29 | Beladona | you gonna update to B3? |
| 19:10.34 | Kirkburn | indeedy |
| 19:10.39 | Kirkburn | It looks very nice |
| 19:10.42 | Beladona | let me know if it is an improvement |
| 19:10.43 | Kirkburn | You can move the tabs around :D |
| 19:10.52 | Beladona | I removed 2 a while ago because I didn't like it |
| 19:11.05 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 19:11.06 | Beladona | yeah but can you move the tab section? |
| 19:11.07 | Kirkburn | Why? |
| 19:11.17 | Kirkburn | Tab section? |
| 19:11.29 | Beladona | I didn't like how you couldn't reorganize the bar at the top like you can in current IE |
| 19:11.43 | Kirkburn | Oh the whole thing? No, not yet afaik |
| 19:11.53 | Beladona | thats my only real pet peeve |
| 19:11.55 | Kirkburn | I think that won't be in until a later version |
| 19:12.04 | Beladona | although I am not sure IE7 will make me switch from firefox anyway |
| 19:12.12 | Beladona | I will have it surely |
| 19:13.04 | Tain | You have to have it, realistically. I just won't use it as my primary browser ever. |
| 19:14.11 | Kirkburn | 'ever' seems a bit ott to me |
| 19:15.11 | Tain | Why? |
| 19:15.40 | Tain | IE7 would have to be something drastically different than what the betas have shown to make me use it as my primary browser over FF. |
| 19:15.58 | Kirkburn | Ah, okay ... I thought you were meaning it as some kind of moral issue :P |
| 19:16.17 | Kirkburn | I'll be back when it's installed, and tell you all about it :) |
| 19:16.40 | Tain | Morals are overrated. |
| 19:17.18 | wereHamster | did he just went offline to restart his computer? |
| 19:20.54 | End | probably |
| 19:21.02 | End | you need to restart to uninstall ie7 |
| 19:21.25 | Fanook | i wouldnt doubt it, after all, it's integrated into the os |
| 19:21.32 | Tain | I'm sure you do. |
| 19:21.45 | End | well, I know from personal expierance |
| 19:22.22 | End | incidently IE still runs after uninstalling before rebooting, but it acts kinda strangely :P |
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| 19:29.37 | Cairenn|afk | wereHamster: you there per chance? |
| 19:30.09 | wereHamster | Cairenn|afk I am |
| 19:30.32 | Cairenn|afk | chatting with Bela re what you'd asked him earlier |
| 19:30.52 | Cairenn|afk | mind if I ask you for some clarification and do you want the discussion private or here okay? |
| 19:31.05 | Cairenn|afk | s/or/or is/ |
| 19:31.15 | Cairenn|afk | grrrr, stupid purl |
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| 19:31.43 | kergoth | i think tim can disable the s/// thing on a per channel basis |
| 19:31.55 | Kirkburn | Installed :) |
| 19:32.07 | Cairenn|afk | no, we like it, if only it were more intelligent by times ... |
| 19:33.08 | Elkano | thx for approving (whoever it was) :) |
| 19:33.14 | Cairenn|afk | welcome |
| 19:33.21 | zenzelezz | can't blame the bot... not his fault you use the same word more than once in a sentence |
| 19:33.29 | Cairenn|afk | ah, but I didn't |
| 19:34.06 | Cide | you used the same string :) |
| 19:34.18 | Cide | "or" matches "for" |
| 19:34.23 | zenzelezz | suppose he could be coded to match only whole words |
| 19:34.26 | kergoth | your s/// is a regular expression. you didnt specify enough context |
| 19:34.32 | kergoth | no, its regex. regex is not word bound. |
| 19:37.56 | Kirkburn | IE7 B3: I see updated icons, movable tabs, looking for more stuff =) |
| 19:40.12 | Cairenn|afk | *nod*, I know, was being facetious as much as anything |
| 19:40.20 | Cairenn|afk | you guys just aren't sarcastic enough |
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| 19:41.07 | Canislupus | anyone here use Zeus? |
| 19:41.10 | Kirkburn | Bah, if you want to know the new stuff in B3: http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/ie7_beta3.asp |
| 19:41.15 | kergoth | irc isnt the best of mediums for that cair :) |
| 19:41.18 | kergoth | unfortunately |
| 19:41.25 | Cairenn|afk | kergoth: I know |
| 19:43.20 | Kirkburn | Sarcasm is what makes me British =) |
| 19:43.51 | Kirkburn | Anyone know what Zeus is? |
| 19:45.41 | Cairenn|afk | okay, I'm gone again |
| 19:45.43 | Cairenn|afk | later |
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| 19:53.14 | Kirkburn | Canislupus, what's Zeus? |
| 19:57.13 | Kirkburn | Yay, there's now a way to refresh all RSS feeds in one click in IE7 :D |
| 19:57.33 | Canislupus | zeus is a highly featured text editor with syntax highlighting and some attempts to resemble the project management features of top end programming studios |
| 20:00.51 | Canislupus | i really have no experience with Zeus, i am just testing out different text editors for LUA, my main requirement being syntax highlighting |
| 20:02.31 | Tain | SciTE! |
| 20:04.01 | Cide | I used SciTe, but I've fallen in love with TextPad |
| 20:04.32 | Beladona | does SciTe or something else have a class viewer that can show lua functions and tables as classes |
| 20:05.16 | kergoth | itd have to have knowledge of the specific object model, and since there's no standard object model, that's pretty unlikely |
| 20:05.34 | Beladona | don't see why not |
| 20:05.43 | Canislupus | TextPad? really? not UltraEdit? |
| 20:05.49 | Beladona | function xxxxxx is a pretty good indication |
| 20:05.52 | kergoth | i implemented at least 12 models for ace2 before making a decision |
| 20:05.52 | Cide | textpad, yup |
| 20:06.10 | kergoth | no, it isnt. if you want, i'll implemetn classes and objects entirely with functions, not tables at all. |
| 20:06.19 | kergoth | thats rici's preferred method, afaik |
| 20:06.58 | Canislupus | haven't used it in a while... used to use it for html/php stuff at a past job. I liked the block text editing in it |
| 20:08.04 | Canislupus | Cide, do you use a file for syntax highlighting in Textpad, like the one ppl use for UE? |
| 20:08.12 | Cide | yes |
| 20:08.23 | Cide | I can show you my color scheme |
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| 20:08.38 | Cide | not sure if others like it, but I find it pretty good on the eyes |
| 20:09.47 | Canislupus | i would be very grateful |
| 20:11.31 | Beladona | chances are a decent lua editor with class viewing would need the interpreter built in |
| 20:11.37 | Beladona | but still it is possible |
| 20:11.48 | Cide | http://imagelink.org/temp/256 |
| 20:11.51 | kergoth | even with the itnerpreter, you'd have to teach it about every single object model implementation. |
| 20:12.04 | kergoth | tahts possible, yes, but certainly not easy to implement |
| 20:12.52 | Canislupus | yes I like that color scheme, it is very similar to the one i set up while trying out Zeus |
| 20:13.15 | Cide | I added most of the syntax myself |
| 20:13.33 | Canislupus | can you link the config file? |
| 20:13.37 | Cide | sure |
| 20:13.39 | kergoth | Cide: i like that. meets the requirements of a good color scheme. that is, keeping visibility high while keeping contrast as low as possible to be easy on the eyes |
| 20:13.46 | Canislupus | <3 |
| 20:14.51 | Canislupus | wow, how very DOS of you |
| 20:14.56 | End | that's not DOS |
| 20:15.01 | Canislupus | lol, i know |
| 20:15.15 | Canislupus | i like kergoths scheme as well |
| 20:15.33 | kergoth | i'm a console junkie :) that window manager acts almost the way 'screen' does at console |
| 20:16.07 | End | which window manager is that? (I'd almost say ratpoison...) |
| 20:16.15 | kergoth | its like ratpoison indeed. its ion3 |
| 20:16.23 | End | ah |
| 20:16.42 | kergoth | ion3 uses lua as its configuration language, so you can drop to a lua commandline with a key combination |
| 20:16.43 | Canislupus | you can tell when someone spends 8+ hours a day in front of a monitor... they always have dark backgrounds |
| 20:16.46 | kergoth | which is kinda cool |
| 20:17.11 | Cide | http://www.ctmod.net/blighted/textpad-lua40.syn |
| 20:17.14 | krka | luaslinger + faiap = best editor :P |
| 20:17.15 | Cide | http://www.ctmod.net/blighted/xml.syn for xml |
| 20:17.18 | Canislupus | not running under windows then i assume? |
| 20:17.22 | krka | but i'm biasted |
| 20:17.23 | krka | biased |
| 20:17.37 | kergoth | hehe. faiap is nice indeed |
| 20:18.33 | Cide | http://imagelink.org/temp/257 is xml |
| 20:18.36 | Beladona | I run 8+ hours a day in front of a monitor, and my screens aren't dark |
| 20:18.55 | Canislupus | eyes hurt when you go to bed at night? |
| 20:19.00 | Beladona | not at all |
| 20:19.29 | Kirkburn | new screenshots of BC: http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/7973/cgscanpg4copy6yu.jpg |
| 20:19.39 | Canislupus | i always keep the room dimly lit and dark backgrounds/low contrast themes |
| 20:20.47 | Tain | But I still like TinyPad over Luaslinger. ;) |
| 20:21.49 | Canislupus | i am trying out myDebug which is a bit similar |
| 20:22.15 | Canislupus | luaslinger looks real sweet tho |
| 20:22.50 | End | my editor isn't dark |
| 20:23.01 | End | although irc (and other stuff under screen) is |
| 20:23.11 | End | (which is actually on another machine) |
| 20:23.17 | End | (which is why I never disconnect) |
| 20:23.30 | kergoth | i dont might light backgrounds in an editor as long as you're using a good color scheme there too |
| 20:23.35 | kergoth | just prefer dark |
| 20:24.39 | End | hmmm |
| 20:25.24 | End | well, I have a hard time with dark in my editor actually, but I also have a hard time with light everywhere else actually |
| 20:25.38 | Canislupus | well, i am guilty of lazyness on a lot of apps, b/c i dont take the time to switch to dark backgrounds, but i much prefer them |
| 20:26.17 | kergoth | unfortunately, most window managers dont do well with dark themes. apps making assumptions about the background |
| 20:26.31 | kergoth | (even if the wm does well, the apps wont :\) |
| 20:26.37 | kergoth | foo |
| 20:27.00 | Canislupus | always hate browsing the web and you come across a web page with a bright background for the first time in a while. then you are like "ARGGHHH! My eyes!" |
| 20:27.11 | kergoth | haha |
| 20:27.18 | kergoth | that happens to me a lot |
| 20:27.29 | kergoth | refuse to enter the big blue room without my sunglasses |
| 20:30.13 | Canislupus | Cide, tyvm! I will give this a whirl and see if i like it |
| 20:30.19 | Cide | no problem :) |
| 20:31.01 | Canislupus | xml stored in same file? |
| 20:31.08 | Cide | nah, I linked the xml one |
| 20:31.12 | Cide | http://www.ctmod.net/blighted/xml.syn for xml |
| 20:32.18 | Canislupus | awesome, thank you |
| 20:33.14 | Cide | put the .syn files under TextPad\Samples |
| 20:33.44 | Cide | and then you create a new document class and yadda yadda :) |
| 20:35.13 | Canislupus | kk, thx |
| 20:38.13 | wereHamster | What did blizzard think when they added the code that unchecks 'disable out of date addon' ?!? I log in, see that all my addons didn't load and when I enable them all the UI positions have been reset *arghh* |
| 20:38.42 | End | your ui positions are getting reset? |
| 20:39.05 | Kirkburn | The Transformers trailer! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFsjxPkw0Qk |
| 20:39.15 | Canislupus | well as editors go Zeus seems like a pretty good app, IMO. I would really like it to function the way they intended it to, by having all the lua classes wow uses show up in the class browser |
| 20:39.39 | wereHamster | End, when an addon doesn't load, its layout setting will be resetted |
| 20:39.39 | Canislupus | i imaging if i mess with it long enough i will figure out how to get that working |
| 20:40.28 | End | wereHamster, are you sure? |
| 20:40.40 | End | I've never had my ui positions reset |
| 20:40.43 | wereHamster | End, that's what I've been seing ever since |
| 20:40.47 | Canislupus | anyone ever lose all the files in an interface folder while editing a .lua file with WOW running?? |
| 20:40.50 | End | I've never seen that |
| 20:41.09 | End | even while intentionally disabling all addons |
| 20:41.32 | End | Canislupus: that sounds bad |
| 20:42.25 | wereHamster | who kinows how WoW handled the layout-cache.txt file :-/ |
| 20:42.37 | wereHamster | s/handled/handles/ |
| 20:42.46 | kergoth | someone else told me the other day that the addon's bits in the layout cache go away if it gets disabled |
| 20:42.46 | End | I just sort of assumed it left old frames in the layout-cache.txt |
| 20:43.08 | End | since I never had a problem with disabled addons |
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| 20:43.29 | Canislupus | anyone use ChatBox? |
| 20:43.53 | End | wereHamster: I wonder if editing RunOnce.wtf might help |
| 20:44.07 | End | there is a checkAddonVersion |
| 20:44.13 | kergoth | never tested it |
| 20:44.13 | kergoth | its nonsensical |
| 20:44.29 | Kirkburn | Canislupus, I do |
| 20:44.47 | wereHamster | End, where is that file? |
| 20:45.16 | End | in WTF I think |
| 20:45.26 | End | I dunno, I remember it existed, and googled it to find the cvar name |
| 20:45.27 | Canislupus | you having trouble with the playerframe dropdown /who function as well? |
| 20:45.39 | wereHamster | I only have Config.wtf there |
| 20:45.44 | End | hmmmm |
| 20:46.15 | Kirkburn | Haven't played enough to notice yet, but yeah I've heard of the issue :P |
| 20:46.50 | wereHamster | SET checkAddonVersion "0" is ion Config.wtf.. but WoW resets it everytime it installs a new patch (along with the accept TOS etc.. |
| 20:47.02 | End | yeah, I know it resets it |
| 20:47.03 | End | but |
| 20:47.11 | End | I thought it reset it by running RunOnce.wtf |
| 20:47.23 | End | it's possible RunOnce.wtf might only be in the mpq come to think of it |
| 20:47.57 | wereHamster | I'll just make that file read-only :-/ |
| 20:48.08 | End | that might not work |
| 20:48.16 | Canislupus | i am using that issue to stimulate my knowledge in LUA, and hopefully figure out what the heck changed in 1.11 that could have affected it |
| 20:48.44 | End | since it might be like: load config.wtf, load runonce.wtf, do everything else. so you'd get into game and the checkAddonVersion would be "1" til restart |
| 20:48.55 | Canislupus | either way, i haven't made much progress.. lol |
| 20:48.59 | wereHamster | End, sure it will work.. chown root:root, chmod 0444 :) |
| 20:49.09 | End | no, I don't think you understand me |
| 20:49.16 | End | you'll keep it from -saving- |
| 20:49.20 | End | not reseting in memory only |
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| 20:49.37 | Kirkburn | Canislupus, I hope someone does :P |
| 20:49.40 | wereHamster | ah I see. but that has worked for me the last time I tried |
| 20:49.47 | Beladona | doesn't it need to read the file to know what to do in memory? |
| 20:49.49 | Kirkburn | The author hasn't visited worldofwar since the 18th :/ |
| 20:49.51 | End | hmm |
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| 20:50.44 | Beladona | anyway, homeward I go! |
| 20:54.45 | Legorol | hm, i think someone found a bug with RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE the other day, who was it, what was the bug, and did you post it to slouken? |
| 20:55.47 | End | 03:20.42cladhaireBlizzard is firing RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE after login, and its loading the RaidUI |
| 20:55.50 | End | 03:20.45cladhairebefore I can even get to it. |
| 20:55.52 | End | that one? |
| 20:56.22 | End | says he was posting |
| 20:57.26 | Kirkburn | http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-interface-customization/404551.htm |
| 20:57.31 | Kirkburn | ^ that's the post |
| 20:57.42 | Legorol | thanks! |
| 20:57.48 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 20:57.49 | Legorol | now, is it just me, or you can't log in to US forums? |
| 21:00.11 | End | I can log in |
| 21:00.23 | End | it was slow as hellish slow hell |
| 21:02.17 | Gryphen | mm draggin tabs |
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| 21:09.57 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Mod Dev Discussions |
| 21:12.11 | Tentacled | ehhhh, do any of you on european realms - argent dawn, perhaps? - get horrible lags and disconnections today..? |
| 21:15.55 | Canislupus | I only wish i knew what happened to good ol Norbet, creator of ChatBox, or who else has summited updates to the mod |
| 21:17.10 | Canislupus | a large chunk of his code was block commented out for some reason, presumably to make the mod work under 1.10 |
| 21:23.32 | Canislupus | there is no reason the word "button" cannot be used for a local variable is there? |
| 21:23.47 | clad|work | not at all |
| 21:24.49 | Canislupus | ok, now what if another mod is defining that variable as a table and not just a simple variable? |
| 21:25.08 | Canislupus | still only local though i would assume |
| 21:25.17 | clad|work | variable typing doesn't matter |
| 21:25.18 | clad|work | whats the context? |
| 21:26.03 | Canislupus | well, ChatBox 1.20 uses a function to set up what it calls "player link menus" |
| 21:26.19 | clad|work | if you're getting a table its likely "self" and the code is not defined properly |
| 21:26.24 | clad|work | can you pastebin the offending code? |
| 21:26.58 | Canislupus | in that function is the variable "button" to determine which selection has been chosen from the "friendsframe.dropdown" or whatever |
| 21:27.43 | cladhaire | aye |
| 21:27.44 | Canislupus | yes if you dont mind... |
| 21:28.07 | Canislupus | function ChatBox_UnitPopup_OnClick() |
| 21:28.07 | Canislupus | local index = this.value; |
| 21:28.07 | Canislupus | local dropdownFrame = getglobal(UIDROPDOWNMENU_INIT_MENU); |
| 21:28.07 | Canislupus | local selected = UnitPopupMenus[this.owner][index]; |
| 21:28.07 | Canislupus | local unit = dropdownFrame.unit; |
| 21:28.07 | Canislupus | local name = dropdownFrame.name; |
| 21:28.09 | Canislupus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.12 | Canislupus | if ( selected == "WHO" ) then |
| 21:28.13 | Canislupus | SendWho("n-"..name); |
| 21:28.15 | Canislupus | elseif ( selected == "TARGET" ) then |
| 21:28.17 | Canislupus | TargetByName(name); |
| 21:28.19 | Canislupus | elseif ( selected == "IGNORE" ) then |
| 21:28.21 | Canislupus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.23 | Canislupus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.25 | Canislupus | DelIgnore(name); |
| 21:28.26 | cladhaire | whoa |
| 21:28.27 | Canislupus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.27 | End | eep |
| 21:28.27 | cladhaire | stop |
| 21:28.29 | Canislupus | AddFriend(name); |
| 21:28.31 | Canislupus | elseif ( selected == "REMOVEFRIEND" ) then |
| 21:28.31 | cladhaire | http://ace.pastebin.ca |
| 21:28.32 | End | pastebin please! |
| 21:28.33 | Canislupus | RemoveFriend(name); |
| 21:28.34 | cladhaire | you should never post code here. |
| 21:28.35 | Canislupus | else |
| 21:28.37 | Canislupus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.39 | Canislupus | end |
| 21:28.41 | Canislupus | if notFound then |
| 21:28.43 | Canislupus | CB_Orig_UnitPopup_OnClick(); |
| 21:28.45 | Canislupus | else |
| 21:28.47 | Canislupus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.49 | Canislupus | end |
| 21:28.51 | Canislupus | end |
| 21:28.53 | Canislupus | hope i didnt show my noobness too much... sorry |
| 21:29.02 | End | pastebin it next time |
| 21:29.27 | Canislupus | i bet at least one of you saw that coming too, huh? |
| 21:29.40 | cladhaire | ok, and whats the issue with the code? |
| 21:30.26 | Canislupus | not sure there is one, except when you select "WHO" or "IGNORE" or "ADDFRIEND", nothing happens |
| 21:30.36 | Canislupus | no error, no chat output at all |
| 21:30.49 | Canislupus | and again, sorry for the spammage |
| 21:31.17 | cladhaire | not a problem |
| 21:31.25 | cladhaire | the way dropdowns/popups work changed a little bit |
| 21:31.32 | cladhaire | and you'd need the supporting code to see why it didn't work |
| 21:32.01 | Canislupus | which wow file changed? a lua? an xml? |
| 21:33.27 | cladhaire | i'm not sure of the specifics |
| 21:33.33 | cladhaire | again the code is somewhat out of context |
| 21:33.40 | cladhaire | i dont see anything evil with it immediately =) |
| 21:34.10 | Canislupus | i have done a bit of looking around at this site: http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=lcompare&id=11105428 |
| 21:35.21 | Canislupus | i guess the main point of that part of the mod is to set up drop down menus for when you right-click a player name in chat |
| 21:35.24 | Kirkburn | (yeah, that's the best site =) |
| 21:36.01 | Kirkburn | One solution would be to remove that function, I suppose |
| 21:36.24 | Canislupus | friendsframe and playerframe seemed to be the most relevant files to have changed that would have broken this feature |
| 21:37.16 | Canislupus | sadly, this feature is about the only one i use from the mod, aside from colorization of player names in chat, based on class (and SCCN does that too) |
| 21:37.44 | Kirkburn | Pastebin the code, easier to look at then |
| 21:37.48 | Canislupus | the original idea was taken, i believe, from a mod called PLM |
| 21:39.42 | Canislupus | kk, i am on it |
| 21:40.05 | Canislupus | wait, the enitire lua? |
| 21:40.43 | Kirkburn | http://ace.pastebin.ca/75181 |
| 21:40.51 | Kirkburn | I just copied the menu code |
| 21:41.01 | Canislupus | thx Kirk |
| 21:41.43 | Kirkburn | So ... anyone see a problem with that code? |
| 21:43.29 | Cide | hmm |
| 21:43.37 | Cide | has anyone dynamically created a FauxScrollFrame? |
| 21:44.41 | Canislupus | ? |
| 21:45.03 | Kirkburn | <Canislupus> there is no reason the word "button" cannot be used for a local variable is there? |
| 21:45.09 | Kirkburn | I think that's actually now untrue |
| 21:45.21 | Kirkburn | See the last few lines: http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=details&vd=11105428&ct=lcompare&rid=114 |
| 21:45.22 | Canislupus | so i was right? |
| 21:46.00 | Canislupus | ahh button is now a global variable? |
| 21:46.49 | Kirkburn | Er, I don't know .. but if that's what it's showing |
| 21:46.51 | Canislupus | guess i will actually study it now before opeing my mouth again |
| 21:47.08 | Canislupus | one bit of info though... |
| 21:47.31 | Kirkburn | Might be an idea to change all references to button to button1? |
| 21:47.58 | Canislupus | i use myDebug in wow, and if i call the value of button, i get a table, not a single text value like the function is looking for |
| 21:48.32 | Kirkburn | tbh, I don't really know lua, so I'm at the extent of my knowledge here :) |
| 21:49.17 | Canislupus | well i am pretty green at it myself, but i am extremely grateful for your help |
| 21:49.51 | Canislupus | and i do believe i had missed the changes to UIDropDownMenu.lua |
| 21:50.32 | Canislupus | i will study it and see what changed there that might have broken the code |
| 21:51.02 | Kirkburn | I'm going to try it with just changing button to button1, loading wow |
| 21:51.18 | Canislupus | cool |
| 21:53.51 | Kirkburn | Now I need someone to talk :P |
| 21:54.24 | Kirkburn | Er, wait, remind me what the problem is again? |
| 21:54.50 | Canislupus | yeah... right click on a [playername] in the chat window |
| 21:55.11 | Kirkburn | I get invite whisper target and cancel |
| 21:55.25 | Canislupus | ok, now type /plm on |
| 21:55.41 | Canislupus | then try it |
| 21:56.07 | Kirkburn | lol, er I don't think I loaded the addon |
| 21:56.16 | Canislupus | lol oops |
| 21:56.20 | Kirkburn | stupid bloody patch :D |
| 21:56.31 | Canislupus | no /plm slash command then? |
| 21:56.38 | Kirkburn | What's that? |
| 21:56.52 | Canislupus | well, that is how you activate it |
| 21:57.04 | Canislupus | otherwise you will get default dropdown |
| 21:57.21 | Canislupus | it is not "on" by default when you install the mod |
| 21:57.47 | Canislupus | which explains why few ppl even know it is bugged, i assume |
| 21:58.28 | Kirkburn | It's just going straight to whisper :/ |
| 21:58.53 | Canislupus | oh, RIGHT click |
| 21:58.57 | Canislupus | not left |
| 21:59.18 | Kirkburn | I know, still goes straight to whisper |
| 21:59.36 | Canislupus | never had that effect... strange |
| 21:59.49 | Kirkburn | That was after swapping button for button1 in the lua |
| 21:59.51 | Canislupus | no dropdown menu or anything eh? |
| 22:00.17 | Canislupus | did you do a "search and replace" on the entire lua? |
| 22:00.35 | Kirkburn | hmm, may have found the error |
| 22:02.39 | Kirkburn | this is fun ... I have the menu back, but the commands don't work still |
| 22:02.57 | Canislupus | what did you change? |
| 22:03.27 | Canislupus | oh, and you will find that the "TARGET" function actually does try to target the player |
| 22:03.48 | Canislupus | so that selection DOES work in the unmodified code |
| 22:04.00 | Kirkburn | oh yeah, target worked |
| 22:04.12 | Kirkburn | AddFriend, Ignore and who didn't |
| 22:05.06 | Canislupus | and the function "SpecialSendWho(player)" that is defined in that lua, also works |
| 22:06.02 | Canislupus | so the code that SENDS the /who works fine, it seems to be broken where the program tells the function who to perform the "who" on |
| 22:06.33 | Kirkburn | oops, I just messed up Titan :/ |
| 22:06.51 | Canislupus | if i list the variable "name" in my wow interface, i get my pet's name, not the last player i right clicked on, as i would have assumed |
| 22:06.59 | Canislupus | really? |
| 22:07.22 | Kirkburn | not sure how, think it was because I just changed a Titan addon |
| 22:08.49 | Canislupus | any chance any of you gurus are following along with us? |
| 22:10.40 | Canislupus | is it acceptable to paste.. say 2 lines of code in the irc window, or is that bad form? |
| 22:11.50 | End | we probably won't yell at you for 2 lines |
| 22:12.03 | Kirkburn | phew, got titan back to normal |
| 22:12.06 | Canislupus | lol, thx for your patience |
| 22:12.51 | Canislupus | if ( button == "RightButton" ) then |
| 22:12.51 | Canislupus | FriendsFrame_ShowDropdown(name, 1); |
| 22:13.06 | Kirkburn | I changed that to button1 ... broke it :P |
| 22:13.29 | Canislupus | that part seems to work fine, or we wouldnt see the drop down at all |
| 22:13.35 | Kirkburn | yeah, that part works |
| 22:14.19 | Canislupus | so that leads me away from using "button" as a local variable being an issue, even though it's value in-game appears to be a table |
| 22:14.47 | Canislupus | would appear the variable at least works locally |
| 22:15.26 | Canislupus | wait... lua is an object oriented language, right? |
| 22:15.33 | End | sort of :P |
| 22:15.42 | Canislupus | is button considered an "object"? |
| 22:15.55 | End | in your case, it looks like it |
| 22:16.07 | Canislupus | hmm |
| 22:19.04 | Canislupus | do most add-on writers have the mpq files extracted so they can examine them? |
| 22:19.56 | Canislupus | seems it would be hard to use any of blizzards functions if you couldn't look at their code |
| 22:20.18 | kergoth | lua is a language that focuses on doign more with less. you can code in an OO fashion, but generally have to implement the classes/objects yourself. |
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| 22:22.27 | Canislupus | many of which are defined by blizzard in the wow/interface folder (assuming they are extracted) |
| 22:22.35 | zespri_work | yesterday I couldn't login about an hour after I patched. It just load the world and immideately kicked me back to the character selection list |
| 22:23.12 | zespri_work | I guess this this the new iprovement - you don;t get the annoyed message such as 'there is always such char on the realm' you are just silently kicked |
| 22:23.17 | Canislupus | been happening to a lot of ppl, zes, since the 1.11 patch |
| 22:23.18 | zespri_work | good fix |
| 22:23.50 | Canislupus | lol, yeah delete the error message... error is gone! |
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| 22:23.56 | Corrodias | "LOL PATCH" |
| 22:23.59 | zespri_work | yeah, figured, that it was not myself only =) |
| 22:24.24 | zespri_work | I mean look at this progreseeion |
| 22:24.40 | zespri_work | before 1.1o they displayed you this message ' char already exists' |
| 22:25.12 | zespri_work | in 1.11.0 they started to not letting you in to the char selecting screen with 'Retreiving list of characters' |
| 22:25.28 | zespri_work | and in 1.11.1 they just kick you out once you logged in |
| 22:25.43 | zespri_work | it's obvious they are working hard and diligently |
| 22:25.53 | Canislupus | yeah you think that is bad try passing a double escape (or CR, not sure) to the chat window |
| 22:25.54 | zespri_work | such an obvious progress! |
| 22:26.22 | Canislupus | no error, INSTANT disconnect |
| 22:26.44 | Kirkburn | :/ |
| 22:27.27 | Canislupus | one of my old mods was doing it before i updated them |
| 22:27.40 | Canislupus | made raiding and alterac valley fun |
| 22:28.03 | Canislupus | wait 4 hours to get in... BOOM! disconnected |
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| 22:30.58 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:30.59 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 22:31.24 | Kirkburn | Sorry, I've got involved in levelling my tauren :P Harpies must die! |
| 22:31.28 | zespri_work | well this one you can justify somehow... they put this disconnect there very intentionaly, first to send a clear message across, what you are trying to do is a no-no |
| 22:31.40 | zespri_work | because it's associated with an exploit |
| 22:32.04 | Canislupus | harpies are almost as annoying of a sound as murlocs |
| 22:32.16 | Canislupus | but... harpies are hot |
| 22:32.34 | Canislupus | sorry... off topic there |
| 22:33.07 | Kirkburn | Hmm, could make some kind of 'bird' related comment now |
| 22:33.16 | zespri_work | there is a uest in barrow den for young night elves. level 9. the most annoying low-level quest ever. I wonder which night elvel class has no problem doing this quest on level 9 =) |
| 22:33.56 | Canislupus | the furlbogs? |
| 22:33.56 | Kirkburn | why not to task switch ... people steal your kills |
| 22:33.56 | zespri_work | I think I already tried two classes. You need to level to 11 to do this quest without dying 10 times |
| 22:34.15 | Kirkburn | Which quest is that? |
| 22:34.21 | zespri_work | yeah,furblogs, especially shamans |
| 22:34.24 | Kirkburn | My tauren girl is now level 11 :) |
| 22:34.25 | Canislupus | i hate that cave, i have wiped it twice since i hit lvl 60 just for revenge |
| 22:34.35 | zespri_work | you just dont have interrupts and they keep healing |
| 22:34.43 | Canislupus | you have a heiffer? |
| 22:35.13 | zespri_work | heiffer? what is heiffer? |
| 22:35.23 | Canislupus | a young, female cow |
| 22:35.38 | zespri_work | oh, looked it up already =) |
| 22:37.05 | Legorol | zespri: i don't remember having problem with furbolgs at level 9 |
| 22:37.06 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 22:37.10 | Legorol | are you sure you were in a group when you tried? |
| 22:37.10 | zespri_work | actually yes, I was thinking, "I need to come hear with my high-level char and wipe the shit out of these furbolgs!" and then I checked myself - how silly of me to hate midless mobs =) |
| 22:37.23 | Kirkburn | You're just toooo uber, Legorol :) |
| 22:37.24 | Legorol | it's a common mistake to not be in a group when doing NE start area quests.. |
| 22:37.32 | Legorol | that's the trick to it :) |
| 22:37.38 | zespri_work | oh come on |
| 22:37.42 | zespri_work | it's not an elite quest |
| 22:37.47 | zespri_work | you are supposed to dolo it |
| 22:37.49 | Legorol | ahem |
| 22:37.52 | zespri_work | *solo |
| 22:38.01 | Legorol | there are plenty of non-elite quests at all levels which are very hard to solo |
| 22:38.04 | Legorol | if you try and do it at that level |
| 22:38.10 | Legorol | that furbolg is not the only one |
| 22:38.20 | Legorol | for example: |
| 22:38.27 | Legorol | the Bloodsail Buccaneer captains |
| 22:38.35 | Legorol | it's not an elite quest, there is no way you can solo it at level 45 though |
| 22:38.47 | zespri_work | how about similar level quests? |
| 22:38.58 | zespri_work | actually I soloed the captains at 47 |
| 22:39.09 | zespri_work | but not at 45, you are right |
| 22:39.23 | Fanook | zespri: i went back to pyrewood village and wiped it out at lvl 43, most fun i've ever had there |
| 22:39.28 | Legorol | i think it's a mistake taht you can check the exact level of the quest |
| 22:39.42 | Legorol | it really is only a guideline, many quests are marked as a few levels away from when you can really do it |
| 22:40.13 | zespri_work | well, Legorol, the quest level determines xp reward that you get |
| 22:40.22 | Legorol | that is correct |
| 22:40.27 | zespri_work | so knowing the number is advantageous |
| 22:40.30 | Canislupus | i solo'd almost everything except BFD until i hit lvl 40 or so |
| 22:40.31 | Legorol | what i am saying is that not every quest level is absolutely spot on |
| 22:40.44 | Legorol | in terms of the difficulty |
| 22:41.17 | Legorol | the quest level is often (but not always) simply set to the level of the mobs involved |
| 22:41.26 | zespri_work | think about it, those who designed quests, had to to the quests themselves at least once |
| 22:41.29 | Legorol | which therefore makes a big difference in the actual difficulty |
| 22:41.51 | Legorol | besides, what's wrong with a difficult solo quest ;_) |
| 22:42.10 | zespri_work | nothing |
| 22:42.20 | zespri_work | I had to corpse run from the fricking barrow den |
| 22:42.29 | Legorol | are the furbolgs really that hard at level 9? |
| 22:42.45 | Legorol | im going to have to try them now that we talked about it :) |
| 22:42.58 | zespri_work | there is not place in the whole den when you can ressurect and not get attacked immideately |
| 22:43.14 | Legorol | that's true for many small caves |
| 22:43.14 | Canislupus | at least troubleshooting this mod is teaching me an assload about scripting and wow interface programming |
| 22:43.28 | zespri_work | so when you died, that's basically it |
| 22:43.33 | Legorol | Canislupus: btw, i was meaning to reply to a comment of yours earlier |
| 22:43.38 | Legorol | No, we don't extract the MPQs for modding |
| 22:43.51 | Legorol | the MPQs contain exact same thing as you get when you run the Blizz Interface Customization tool |
| 22:43.59 | Legorol | i.e. the XML and Lua code for the default interface |
| 22:44.30 | Legorol | you can have a look at the code of functions that Blizzard defined in Lua |
| 22:44.30 | Canislupus | and they are not modifiable, am i correct on that? |
| 22:44.41 | Legorol | however, most of the API functions are defined in the C source, which we don't get to see |
| 22:44.49 | zespri_work | Legorol, did you receive my mail? |
| 22:44.51 | Canislupus | i see |
| 22:45.08 | Legorol | bear in mind that there are two types of functions: internal API functions exposed to Lua |
| 22:45.14 | Legorol | and global functions defined in Lua |
| 22:45.19 | Legorol | zespri: nope |
| 22:45.20 | Legorol | i will read it |
| 22:45.36 | Legorol | Canislupus: well you can't modify any file in Interface\FrameXML |
| 22:45.58 | Legorol | however, the scripting environment is powerful enough that you can pretty much modify any aspect of any existing Blizzard defined frames or Lua functions |
| 22:46.06 | Legorol | with an AddOn |
| 22:46.17 | Legorol | there are a few exceptions, but those are there on purpose to prevent botting mainly |
| 22:46.27 | Canislupus | so the functions listed on wowwikki probably dont include the glogal functions blizzard defines in their LUA files, correct? |
| 22:46.35 | Legorol | some are listed |
| 22:46.41 | Legorol | they are marked with a little "UI" tag in front of them |
| 22:47.16 | Canislupus | i see... those are the global functions defined by blizzard in their interface files |
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| 22:48.48 | Canislupus | i haven't even installed the ICT yet, i was actually reading some web site about how to extract them manually... i will check out the Blizzard ICT first |
| 22:49.06 | zespri_work | Legorol, did you not receive, or you just didn;t check? |
| 22:53.56 | Canislupus | well i am not giving up until i figure out what the heck is wrong with the right-click menu in this mod |
| 22:54.22 | Canislupus | haven't even played wow lately, it that bad |
| 22:54.45 | Canislupus | what aggravates me is i KNOW it is something simple, and i don't like it that i can't find it |
| 22:55.39 | zespri_work | my friend played guildwars. was very reluctunt to take op on wow because of the subscription fee. I persuaded him. He leveled a warrior to 49 and discovered a buttlegrounds. Now he spending hours writing macroes that helps them to kick ass in BG. I found this amusing =) |
| 22:56.06 | zespri_work | And he is not going to level any further - this is his only char |
| 22:56.16 | Canislupus | lol yeah and good macros make ALL the diff in BGs too |
| 22:56.23 | zespri_work | He is saying that leveling another one would take to much time, lol |
| 22:56.52 | Canislupus | blizz will fix that soon enough, they already give you experience when you turn in badges |
| 22:57.40 | zespri_work | fix what? that one can artificaily stop leveling? |
| 22:57.49 | zespri_work | I don't think they indednt to fix this |
| 22:57.55 | Canislupus | yup |
| 22:58.00 | zespri_work | All the twink holder would be fubar |
| 22:58.40 | zespri_work | not so long ago a night reaver dropped on me |
| 22:58.56 | zespri_work | this is a blue sword, but it's priced around 100G |
| 22:59.00 | Canislupus | they will... blizz can't leave well enough alone. if it doesn't match the goals THEY want to set for you in game (leveling, gaining gold) they will ZAP it |
| 22:59.05 | zespri_work | lvl 18 mind you |
| 22:59.25 | zespri_work | and this is only because this is one of the best weapons wor warrior twing in BG 10-19 |
| 23:00.12 | zespri_work | Nah, doesn;'t make sense |
| 23:00.21 | Canislupus | well that is my main point anyway.. any new player who doesn't have 3 lvl 60s on the same server who wants to have blue items, can't afford them |
| 23:00.29 | zespri_work | you rarely want to stop leveling if it's not your alt |
| 23:00.36 | zespri_work | so you will always want to level |
| 23:00.52 | Canislupus | blizzard will nerf twinking because it takes away from the game for new players |
| 23:00.54 | zespri_work | and what harm do twinks for the business? none I think |
| 23:01.33 | Canislupus | they are good for the economy if you are a lvl 60.. and maybe good for it in general |
| 23:01.47 | zespri_work | not drastically. |
| 23:02.13 | Canislupus | but Blizz can't really turn their baby out in to the world and let it blossom, it has to grow the direction they want it to |
| 23:02.27 | Canislupus | that is only my observation, and i could be wrong |
| 23:02.47 | Canislupus | do twinks turn in their bg badges? |
| 23:03.02 | snurre | it's been growing rather nicely in the direction they want it, so why not keep it that way? |
| 23:03.18 | snurre | it's a business, not a charity |
| 23:03.18 | Canislupus | cause i get pretty good exp from turn ins of those badges |
| 23:04.18 | Canislupus | personally if you knew me you would know i have nothing against twinks, i am only predicting blizzard will end it in a patch soon |
| 23:04.36 | zespri_work | we''ll see we'll see |
| 23:05.22 | Canislupus | blizz changes lots of things that make me wanna strangle them, cause they can't stand ppl doing anything outside their original intent |
| 23:05.36 | Canislupus | double frost trapping was a good example |
| 23:06.06 | Canislupus | not an exploit, just using the class' skills to the best of one's advantage |
| 23:06.33 | Canislupus | they kept messing with it until it's nearly impossible now |
| 23:06.48 | snurre | then they probably didnt intend for it to be used that way |
| 23:07.49 | snurre | many abilities that have an intended function can be used in other way and produce a far greater potential, and sometimes it gets unbalancing and needs to be corrected to get in line with the intended usage |
| 23:07.50 | zespri_work | again they have a point. they balance stuff around what they deem intended. if you find a work aroung, allowing you to do stuff that they didn't intend it's now not balanced and should be fixed. as simple as that |
| 23:08.12 | zespri_work | exactly, snurre |
| 23:08.55 | Canislupus | and that is exactly why i say twinks are going the way of the dodo |
| 23:09.08 | snurre | anarchy online did not balance it that way, and tbh that game ended up badly imo |
| 23:09.13 | Canislupus | thus says the great prophet Canislupus |
| 23:11.03 | zespri_work | Canisplus, I think you are wrong, because the simplest way to prevent this is to disallow money transfer between chars of a same player. They allowed it from day one and always inteded this feature to be accesible |
| 23:11.35 | Canislupus | does anyone want to work on this ChatBox thing with me? i am a bit over my head until i learn a bit more... |
| 23:12.11 | Canislupus | zespri: yeah i would really hate it if they nerfed that |
| 23:13.01 | Canislupus | but $$ xfer between chars HELPS you reach lvl 60, which IS one of blizzard's intended goals for a player |
| 23:14.13 | Canislupus | pursuit of $$, experience, and Epic items. if you read some of the blue posts they mention that a lot. the last one i read excapes me but it was only yesterday i read it |
| 23:14.20 | zespri_work | they won't |
| 23:15.05 | Canislupus | well i dont pretend to know much, but i would love to bet on it some time |
| 23:15.43 | Canislupus | OH!! i know what the post was about... |
| 23:16.46 | Canislupus | someone asked blue in the forums why professions sucked so bad, and why the crafted items were so undesirable compared to tier2 epics and the like |
| 23:17.23 | snurre | blacksmithing doesnt suck.. arcanite reaper hooooo |
| 23:18.29 | Canislupus | blizzard rep responded that for crafted items to equal t2 epics would take away from blizzards intended goals, that of bettering your character by killing mobs and raiding (social) |
| 23:19.11 | Canislupus | yeah well try leatherworking some time |
| 23:19.39 | zespri_work | Canislupus, I read this conversation, it does make sense, most people whant combat game and not crafting game, so they put emphaisis on combat and not crafting. they can't do both because they have just so much resources |
| 23:22.00 | Canislupus | yeah, and i think the way they originally marketed the game was more like "chose your own path.. be a tailor, a leatherworker, blacksmith.. etc" and the mental image you were supposed to draw from that was that of someone kicked back, crafting items and making (like a merchant) |
| 23:23.07 | zespri_work | not convincing =) everybody who plays this game knows what the game is about =) |
| 23:24.13 | Canislupus | regardless of how i feel about crafting not being profitable (aside from alchemy), i love the game and have no complaints except for the occasional nerf, and a slightly dissapointing end-game |
| 23:25.58 | Canislupus | they should leave the twinks alone and let ppl who already have lvl 60's have something else to do besides sitting around all week waiting for MC to reset |
| 23:26.10 | Canislupus | but.. i still doubt they will |
| 23:26.14 | zespri_work | I think the big question is "can this game be even better?" and blizz try to answer that to the best of their efforts. But you know, sometimes that one lucky idea just doesn't come to sombodies mind. And there is zillions of other ideas that jsut don't fit. |
| 23:26.58 | Canislupus | they need to give us a bit more solo content at lvl 60, in my opinion |
| 23:27.20 | Canislupus | that is why i got involved in BG's in the first place |
| 23:27.40 | Canislupus | i never went in a BG before i hit 60 |
| 23:27.52 | zespri_work | The thing is they think about the game not less then we, maybe more, and they asked themselves all the questions we asked and they have an answer for themselves (not that they would share this answer with you and me) and then they do what they deem best. they are not stupid, no, and they want to sell too |
| 23:29.36 | zespri_work | it's not like that MAJORITY of palyers wants something and this would improve the game and it's relatively easy to implement but they won;t do this, just because they have "hidden goals". If they don't do this then there is a reason... I think |
| 23:30.53 | snurre | tbh i think most ideas are easier to be invented that actually implemented |
| 23:31.16 | Canislupus | well, new subscriptions probably have a bit of precedence, say, over keeping the hordes of monthly subscribers all perfectly happy, considering they will probably not delete the lvl 60 chars they have devoted 500 hours of their life leveling, wouldnt you agree? |
| 23:31.57 | Canislupus | and more subscribers=more $$ |
| 23:33.34 | Canislupus | level 25 is not near as much fun if you are wearing ALL grey armor, b/c all of the Twinks bought up/raised the value of good armor, and on top of that if you do manage to get into battlegrounds you will get FARMED by all the twinks |
| 23:33.40 | zespri_work | you have to get new subscriptions but you as well have to keep old subscribers the best you can |
| 23:34.11 | Canislupus | keep in mind the only way being a TWINK has any advantage is if there are ppl to play against who DONT have the same gear you do |
| 23:34.39 | Canislupus | everyone wants to be one of the HAVE's not one of the HAVE-NOT's |
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| 23:35.25 | Canislupus | and if you are a new player, level 25 you are not going to have 400g to spend on blue armor |
| 23:35.46 | Cairenn | anyone want to come help me put my tent up? hard to put up an 8-man tension-pole tent without someone standing on the other side holding the pole to its anchor and helping -lift- as you do |
| 23:35.56 | zespri_work | Sometimes when I call Tooltip:SetAction and DAB is installed 'this' pointer magically changes. So I have to store it before SetAction and restore after. never hapens without DAB. Any idea what may cause this? |
| 23:36.27 | Kirkburn | zomg, so much text to read :/ |
| 23:36.40 | Legorol | Cairenn: sure, will you pay my airfare? |
| 23:36.46 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:37.01 | Kirkburn | Find a wind rider master |
| 23:37.13 | *** join/#wowi-lounge sancus_ (n=none@d38-233-110.home1.cgocable.net) |
| 23:37.28 | Cairenn | lol Kir |
| 23:37.31 | sancus | hi |
| 23:37.32 | sancus | um |
| 23:37.32 | Cairenn | Kirkburn* |
| 23:37.36 | Cairenn | hey sancus |
| 23:37.38 | zespri_work | Legorol, no when you replied to Cairenn, could you reply to me as well please? I know I'm not as apealling as Cairenn, but this is the way life is. |
| 23:37.48 | sancus | Isn't there a mod that lets you do quick free-form timers with a raid announce with macros? |
| 23:38.22 | Legorol | zespri: i am looking for your email as we speak |
| 23:38.27 | zespri_work | cheers =) |
| 23:38.36 | Cairenn | zespri: I'm sure he will, mine was a quick two-word answer, yours will take considerably more time and thought |
| 23:38.37 | Legorol | i will also reply to your OnUpdate |
| 23:38.41 | Legorol | you are not neglected |
| 23:38.48 | Legorol | :) |
| 23:38.58 | Cairenn | sancus: no idea |
| 23:39.40 | Fanook | would cosmos's in() function do the trick? |
| 23:39.45 | zespri_work | Cairenn, lol, I think the question "did you check you mail" requires quite a simple answer too. |
| 23:39.53 | Cairenn | and zespri, I am not all together sure just how appealing I am right now, soaked to the skin and cursing because I don't have a second set of hands |
| 23:39.53 | zespri_work | But who am I to compliain =) |
| 23:40.21 | Cairenn | that's the other little thing I neglected to mention in my plea ... it's also POURING rain here |
| 23:40.47 | Tain | I just inherited a cat. |
| 23:40.56 | Cairenn | grats Tain |
| 23:41.04 | zespri_work | Cairenn, you have pretty good idea what a male can think of a female in highly visible position in male dominated industry p) |
| 23:41.13 | zespri_work | of her apeal and such |
| 23:41.20 | Cairenn | Tain: you can hug him and squeeze him and love him and call him George |
| 23:41.26 | kergoth | hahah |
| 23:41.38 | kergoth | thats from bugs bunny, isnt it? |
| 23:41.46 | Tain | Yep :) |
| 23:41.46 | Fanook | yep |
| 23:41.51 | Tain | But his name is Brooklyn. |
| 23:42.00 | Tain | And right now he's rubbing all over my feet. |
| 23:42.13 | Cairenn | I believe that was the original usage of it kergoth, yup, but it's been adopted by many |
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| 23:42.45 | Fanook | it was said by the walking pile of red hair in the frankenstien parody that i can't remember the name of |
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| 23:43.04 | Tain | I think it was first the Abominable Snowman though. |
| 23:43.11 | Tain | But that guy also said it. |
| 23:43.13 | Fanook | hmmm, might be |
| 23:43.33 | Tain | Mind you I'm not willing to place money on my intimate knowledge of cartoon history. |
| 23:45.49 | Canislupus | "my own little bun-ny rabbit" |
| 23:46.36 | Canislupus | you guys all hang out in cosmos irc too, eh? |
| 23:46.43 | Cairenn | not all |
| 23:47.10 | Cairenn | not even half, actually |
| 23:47.12 | Canislupus | well "all" was a bit eager on my part |
| 23:47.15 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 23:47.24 | Canislupus | 8P |
| 23:48.07 | Canislupus | any other good irc channels for wow mod devs? |
| 23:48.07 | KarlKFI | just the cool people |
| 23:49.06 | Canislupus | i heard all the best hang out here, and i thought "wow, that is the place for you, canislupus" |
| 23:49.18 | Tain | I heard the Cosmos people all habitually smoke the marijuana cigarettes. |
| 23:49.21 | Canislupus | i call myself that sometimes |
| 23:49.33 | kergoth | i love the abomidable snowman from bugs |
| 23:49.38 | kergoth | when he follows bugs to the carribean |
| 23:49.47 | kergoth | as he's melting, he says "Gosh it's hot." |
| 23:49.55 | Canislupus | yeah that is why nobody has posted anything there in the last 3 hours i imaging, Tain |
| 23:50.14 | Canislupus | "and i never saw my bunny rabbit again..." |
| 23:50.18 | Canislupus | lol |
| 23:52.04 | Tain | wow Microsoft has a new, "Ultimate" keyboard coming out. |
| 23:52.06 | Tain | http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/ultimatekeyboard/default.mspx |
| 23:52.56 | Corrodias | it's bent. points off |
| 23:53.25 | Corrodias | the picture has a man holding a wireless device next to his sperm. fertility decreased! :D |
| 23:54.07 | Canislupus | it has built in vibration... he is probably in one of those adult chat rooms |
| 23:55.11 | Corrodias | so... it's bent, it lights up, and it is wireless? this is their ultimate keyboard? |
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| 23:55.36 | KarlKFI | bent + wireless = bad idea |
| 23:55.42 | Corrodias | i admit i went into it skeptical, but they didn't do anything to convince me i was wrong |
| 23:55.45 | Canislupus | logitech is SO far ahead of them |
| 23:56.11 | cladhaire | Does ANYONE here use Perl Classic Unit Frames? |
| 23:56.28 | Kebinusan | If I say yes, do I get a cookie :-P |
| 23:56.33 | Tain | I did once.. but that was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. |
| 23:56.45 | Kebinusan | I did for about 5 minutes once |
| 23:56.59 | Canislupus | so seriously anybody bored and want to troubleshoot some code with me? |
| 23:57.07 | Tain | It was the best of frames, it was the worst of frames. |
| 23:57.31 | KarlKFI | I AM a unitframe |
| 23:57.32 | Canislupus | re-frame yourself, tain |
| 23:57.42 | Tain | These are the unit frames of our discontent. |
| 23:58.04 | Canislupus | now is the time for all good frames to come to the aid of our interface |
| 23:58.21 | Tain | Alas poor Perl. I knew him, Horatio. |
| 23:58.32 | KarlKFI | i made the orig unti frames. Before me there was jsut framexml hacks |
| 23:58.44 | KarlKFI | wait.. that's nto a quote |
| 23:58.48 | Tain | The unit frame author doth protest too much, methinks. |
| 23:58.53 | Canislupus | To perl, or not to perl, that is the question |
| 23:59.15 | Tain | Whether 'tis nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of outreagous 3d unit frame models. |
| 23:59.24 | cladhaire | anyone here have a priest, that has rank 10 renew (from AQ), can log in, and could check something in Clique for me? |
| 23:59.29 | Canislupus | %She wore a perl necklace% |
| 23:59.42 | Tain | There I cannot help you. |
| 23:59.55 | Tain | Where did we leave the priest we got from the Albino? |
