| 00:00.08 | Arog | I just want to join a raiding guild that (around september) is doing MC/BWL/AQ40/ZG/AQ20 |
| 00:00.12 | Arog | and I think that is reasonable |
| 00:00.25 | zenzelezz | looks good Kirkburn |
| 00:00.26 | Guillotine | I can give you the websites of a coupel guilds on my server and you can check out their raid times |
| 00:00.26 | Arog | MC/ZG/AQ20 should be done by now |
| 00:00.30 | Arog | sure Guillotine |
| 00:00.32 | Arog | that would be cool |
| 00:00.35 | Arog | it is PVE right? |
| 00:00.44 | Arog | ie: PVE realm |
| 00:00.55 | Guillotine | ya |
| 00:01.03 | Guillotine | pve, not rp |
| 00:01.17 | Guillotine | and some really nice people on it ^_^ |
| 00:01.23 | Guillotine | me at the top of the list of course |
| 00:01.39 | Arog | :) |
| 00:01.43 | Kirkburn | Thanks zenzelezz =) |
| 00:02.14 | Guillotine | Arog: check out http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-draenor&t=172238&p=1&tmp=1#post172238 |
| 00:02.18 | Guillotine | it should be exactly what you need |
| 00:02.57 | Guillotine | and check out Heart and Mind in that list. they are EXTREMELY nice and will send you all BoE tier 1 in the mail when you join the guild |
| 00:03.05 | Guillotine | well, if they like you |
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| 00:03.09 | Guillotine | apparently they really like my gf |
| 00:03.09 | zenzelezz | I switched from US to EU server in late February because I wanted to be able to join a raid guild with decent raid times for me (being EU and all ;)... only recently got the gear to get accepted into one, but still need to work on it |
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| 00:05.48 | Arog | lol |
| 00:05.58 | Arog | the last realm I was on was - Kael'Thas |
| 00:06.02 | Arog | it was a fairly new realm |
| 00:06.06 | Arog | I was playing from Jan - Apr |
| 00:06.13 | Arog | the realm was made Oct 05 |
| 00:06.20 | Arog | anyways, alliance side, there are 4 raiding guilds |
| 00:06.43 | Arog | 1 of them are elitists who came from another server who were just rolling through content, BWL cleared in 4 months from server open date |
| 00:06.54 | Arog | another guild was also pretty hardcore, they were not too far back from this one |
| 00:07.03 | Arog | and other 2 guilds were kinda sucks |
| 00:07.05 | Arog | sucky |
| 00:07.13 | Arog | I couldn't get into the elitist guild (being a rogue and all) |
| 00:07.42 | Arog | so I got into the worst guild, they had 87 level 60s...and about 11 rogues, which 9-10 came on time to the raids |
| 00:08.01 | Arog | so hard getting into any raids, and I had to be on the waiting list way too long |
| 00:08.10 | Arog | don't want to join a server like that again |
| 00:08.23 | Arog | prefer servers where there are like 9-10 raiding guilds (on 1 faction) |
| 00:08.25 | Guillotine | my server's kind of like that with unters |
| 00:08.28 | zenzelezz | I've had trouble finding a raid guild since I'm a warrior, which they all seem mostly full on on my server... finally seem to be getting somewhere, but still just on trial \o/ |
| 00:08.30 | Guillotine | hunters* |
| 00:08.44 | Guillotine | we have lots of raiding guilds. our server has been out since release |
| 00:08.48 | Arog | um |
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| 00:08.57 | Arog | your server opened jan 05 |
| 00:08.59 | Arog | that is not release ;) |
| 00:09.07 | Arog | feb 05 sory |
| 00:09.08 | Qzot | Iriel: And the answer is... |
| 00:09.22 | Qzot | Iriel: The shift is obvious, but not huge. |
| 00:09.23 | Arog | ya the funny thing is that |
| 00:09.34 | Arog | I go to a school that is set up like - 4 months study, 4 months work, 4 months study...so on |
| 00:09.49 | Arog | anyways I play WoW during the work term, because I come home at 5 5:30 and I have nothing to do |
| 00:09.51 | Guillotine | Arog: how is that possible? I started playing 2 weeks after release and I've never changed servers... |
| 00:09.57 | Arog | wierd |
| 00:10.01 | Arog | the welcome message |
| 00:10.04 | Arog | is dated 2/7/05 |
| 00:10.11 | Arog | maybe it was added later :) |
| 00:10.13 | Arog | sorry |
| 00:10.40 | Arog | anyways, I quit wow because school was starting in a month and I was kinda burned out I guess |
| 00:10.47 | Arog | I quit and the rogue population drops like 40% |
| 00:10.54 | Arog | every guild is recruiting rogues like mad |
| 00:11.22 | zenzelezz | so Arog... which part of "2/7/05" is January? :-o |
| 00:11.28 | End | hmm, the patcher gives less details on what files it is patching |
| 00:11.39 | End | it just says "writing terrain data" |
| 00:11.50 | End | (right now) |
| 00:11.53 | Arog | zenz I said feb |
| 00:11.55 | Arog | <Arog> feb 05 sory |
| 00:12.07 | zenzelezz | pfft... you write too many lines to rad |
| 00:12.10 | zenzelezz | read too =D |
| 00:12.20 | Cairenn | or raid |
| 00:12.25 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 00:12.36 | Cide | Dolby-wowi: you around? |
| 00:12.38 | Arog | sorry I write until I hit the end of the window, and my window is not maximized |
| 00:12.44 | Arog | :( |
| 00:12.56 | zenzelezz | Arog: I was just making an excuse for being wrong ;) |
| 00:13.20 | Arog | oh |
| 00:13.23 | Arog | I was kidding too lol |
| 00:13.37 | Cairenn | well, I wasn't! |
| 00:13.42 | Cairenn | :p |
| 00:13.52 | zenzelezz | generally shouldn't matter unless someone's using flood protection |
| 00:13.55 | Arog | you are raiding today/ |
| 00:14.04 | zenzelezz | I saw the most ironic ChanServ kick once |
| 00:14.12 | Arog | kicked itself? |
| 00:14.40 | zenzelezz | nah... don't think I have it logged, but let me check |
| 00:14.57 | Arog | I saw that once on a bot. 7 guys just spammed, all of them got kicked and the bot replies - FINISH HIM.....FATALITY...so the bot got kicked lol |
| 00:15.12 | Arog | thats what the bot replies when it kicks someone |
| 00:15.22 | Industrial | hehe |
| 00:17.16 | zenzelezz | seems like I lost it... anyhow, I warned a guy to be careful because he liked to write a lot of short lines instead of a few long ones, and he said something like "yeah, I'll get kicked eh? lol"... and that was one line too many for ChanServ |
| 00:17.51 | zenzelezz | got banned though... naughty chanserv on that network |
| 00:20.21 | Cairenn | afk a bit, cool enough and dry enough (hopefully) to try to get the lawns mowed, finally |
| 00:21.33 | Arog | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.09 | Arog | PST is 3 hours behind EST right? |
| 00:26.09 | zenzelezz | believe so |
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| 00:29.01 | Arog | wow these times are nice |
| 00:29.06 | Arog | start at 5-end at 9 |
| 00:29.09 | Arog | so that is like 8 -12 :) |
| 00:30.58 | Kirkburn | Can someone check if www.clearfont.co.uk is going to the new site (the blue one) ... it's not changing yet on my end :) |
| 00:31.09 | zenzelezz | from what I've seen on my server's raid guilds' sites, their raid times vary widely in length... but tend to be sometime between 19:00 and midnight almost without exception (can't speak for horde, but I can't imagine it being very different) |
| 00:31.42 | Arog | yup |
| 00:31.45 | Arog | Kirkburn ctrl + f5 |
| 00:31.51 | Arog | hard refresh |
| 00:31.58 | Kirkburn | I'm doing it! :( |
| 00:32.01 | zenzelezz | looks correct to me Kirkburn... never been to that URL before and I believe I'm getting the same as I did from your test-URL |
| 00:32.04 | Arog | its blue to me |
| 00:32.14 | Arog | are you using IE? |
| 00:32.19 | Kirkburn | I'll take you words for it |
| 00:32.21 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 00:32.25 | Arog | IE - clear temp directory |
| 00:32.32 | zenzelezz | Updated: Wednesday, 21 June, 2006 1:08 AM |
| 00:32.33 | Arog | ctrl + f5 is in firefox I think |
| 00:32.38 | zenzelezz | I'm assuming this is the new one |
| 00:33.14 | Arog | do you plan on providing more fonts kirk |
| 00:33.31 | Kirkburn | (didn't work in FF either ... I'm going to clear the temp, good idea :) |
| 00:33.37 | Kirkburn | It's possible yeah |
| 00:33.52 | Arog | would be nice if you give more font choices heh |
| 00:34.06 | Arog | http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9409/shillienui37uf.jpg Is this normal WC font? |
| 00:34.07 | Arog | er |
| 00:34.07 | Kirkburn | I need to get around to doing the full options menu coding. And learn how :P |
| 00:34.09 | Arog | normal WOW font |
| 00:34.21 | Kirkburn | yeah |
| 00:34.27 | Arog | lol wonder why it looks so nice |
| 00:34.47 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 00:35.03 | Kirkburn | I definately have some ideas of other font choices :) |
| 00:35.13 | Arog | http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/7185/sbui46nr.jpg I like this |
| 00:35.46 | zenzelezz | did the realm status page ever auto-refresh every now and then (in your browser)? I seem to recall it doing so, but it doesn't seem to anymore... if it ever did |
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| 00:38.58 | Wobin | zenzelezz: It's done it before |
| 00:39.03 | Kirkburn | Arog, took me a while to open Word to check ... but Franklin Gothic looks similar to that |
| 00:39.04 | Wobin | usually when I'm not looking |
| 00:39.37 | Arog | ah alright kirk |
| 00:40.31 | Kirkburn | Two versions seem similar to me ... Franklin Gothic Demi Cond and Frankling Gothic Medium Cond |
| 00:40.45 | Kirkburn | Obviously that only helps if you have it ;) |
| 00:43.47 | Cairenn | back |
| 00:45.26 | Kirkburn | One man went to mow One man went to mow, Went to mow a meadow |
| 00:45.38 | Cairenn | hi MentalPower |
| 00:45.52 | Cairenn | it was neither cool enough nor dry enough, but they're done anywaqy |
| 00:45.57 | Cairenn | anyway* |
| 00:46.29 | Kirkburn | Did you sing: http://www.ez-tracks.com/SongLyrics-Lyrics-98.html |
| 00:46.33 | MentalPower | Patch 1.11 has momentarily pulled me from my university studies |
| 00:50.18 | snurre | givf 1.11 |
| 00:50.29 | Arog | :O |
| 00:50.34 | Arog | This sucks |
| 00:50.42 | Arog | wish school finishes tomorrow |
| 00:52.40 | snurre | got work tomorrow |
| 00:52.43 | snurre | omg, the workload |
| 00:52.49 | snurre | i love and hate patches |
| 00:53.30 | snurre | dont even wanna imagine how much this patch fucks up |
| 00:53.47 | snurre | considering it's the most extensive patch ever |
| 00:54.00 | Kirkburn | Lol, that was weird ... the signer I'm listening to just started singing "edit, edit, edit, edit" ... just as I clicked to edit a page :P |
| 00:54.00 | Iriel | From a game perspective? Or a UI perspective? |
| 00:54.09 | Kirkburn | s/signer/singer/ |
| 00:54.15 | snurre | game perspective, iriel |
| 00:54.18 | Iriel | because from a UI Perspective it's not that bad |
| 00:54.30 | snurre | it touches nearly everything in the game |
| 00:54.36 | snurre | small updates everywhere |
| 00:54.48 | snurre | largest patch in size too |
| 00:54.49 | AnduinLothar | UI perspective is dreadful when you have 30 addons and no automated packaging set up.. |
| 00:55.03 | snurre | i dont really mind that |
| 00:55.04 | Kirkburn | It's also very very well tested though |
| 00:55.16 | snurre | i mind the amount of hours i have to work overtime due to it tho :( |
| 00:57.06 | Wobin | eee |
| 00:57.11 | Wobin | Can anyone connect to wowi? |
| 00:57.43 | Cairenn | nope, we're down =/ |
| 00:57.47 | Iriel | So has disabling Data overrides been confirmed yet/ |
| 00:57.49 | Wobin | =( |
| 00:58.04 | zenzelezz | loads for me |
| 00:58.16 | Iriel | You're back now it seems |
| 00:58.18 | Cairenn | Iriel: everyone keeps saying that, but I'm still using my T.King mod that overwrites mod graphics |
| 00:58.25 | Cairenn | good |
| 00:59.22 | Iriel | We've been told mod graphics were ok, so that's not TOO surprising. I mean non-UI overrides |
| 00:59.25 | chuckg | WoWI is hosered. |
| 00:59.30 | Iriel | it would appear they closed the hole on that |
| 00:59.48 | Cairenn | chuckg: no, we're back up now |
| 00:59.51 | chuckg | =D |
| 01:00.00 | chuckg | Needs more cowbell. |
| 01:00.00 | Cairenn | just a momentary burp |
| 01:00.23 | Wobin | We all need a little more cowbell |
| 01:00.52 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5141 <- seems to touch data overriding |
| 01:01.23 | Wobin | And now |
| 01:01.32 | Wobin | I've forgotten what I was going to do at wowi |
| 01:01.33 | zenzelezz | for something completely different |
| 01:02.07 | Tentacled | Servers down. Finally. :) |
| 01:03.32 | Wobin | anyone have a link to the SM tabard? |
| 01:12.32 | Arog | wobin, its just the normal SM tabard |
| 01:13.31 | Wobin | whassit look like? |
| 01:16.04 | MentalPower | red flame thingy on white background with red trim |
| 01:16.10 | zenzelezz | just a guess, but something like http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Human_ScarletArmor.jpg ? Can't remember if that's what they all look like |
| 01:16.41 | Wobin | aha |
| 01:16.44 | MentalPower | however there are some other SM tabards that are different colors (2 additional ones) that you can see using wowmodelviewer |
| 01:17.14 | Wobin | I wonder if it's worth getting |
| 01:17.21 | zenzelezz | does wowmodelviewer allow you to "equip" armor to models? |
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| 01:17.41 | AnduinLothar | what rep do you need for the tabard? |
| 01:17.44 | MentalPower | only to those on the character folder |
| 01:17.59 | MentalPower | so all the currently playable races + goblins |
| 01:19.04 | zenzelezz | I like Allakhazam, but I swear half of the ad servers take an eternity to respond |
| 01:19.18 | MentalPower | zenzelezz: use AdBlock |
| 01:19.27 | MentalPower | (FF extension) |
| 01:19.47 | zenzelezz | I do, but apparently my current settings aren't the right ones for Alla :) |
| 01:20.27 | Wobin | AnduinLothar: Apparantly the SM tabard drops from mobs after Herod |
| 01:21.11 | AnduinLothar | orly? time to solo him... i can stealth to him on my pally and only kill the first 2 guys |
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| 01:25.39 | Darklin | Good evening, anyone out there know where I can find a working copy of Nurfed_ActionBars for 1.11? It's giving me fits. |
| 01:25.56 | Darklin | And the Nurfed forums are barfing every 3 seconds because of some database error. |
| 01:27.14 | _B | BARF! BARF! |
| 01:28.56 | Cairenn | I don't believe they update them anywhere other than their own site any longer |
| 01:29.08 | Cairenn | I could be wrong |
| 01:29.11 | Darklin | I may have just been able to DL a copy of the Alpha |
| 01:30.08 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 01:30.34 | gnorlish | anyone know how to get the newest mage food + frost ward |
| 01:30.35 | zenzelezz | food ward? |
| 01:30.43 | gnorlish | if only |
| 01:30.46 | gnorlish | that would keep the farmers away in org |
| 01:30.56 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 01:31.39 | zenzelezz | is the WoW-US website down? |
| 01:31.54 | gnorlish | either that or very very slow |
| 01:32.13 | zenzelezz | I seem to get an utterly quick "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.worldofwarcraft.com." |
| 01:32.57 | Kirkburn | utterly quick? |
| 01:33.11 | Kirkburn | That fast, eh :P |
| 01:33.11 | zenzelezz | almost as if it doesn't try |
| 01:33.35 | Kirkburn | Okay with all other websites though? |
| 01:34.10 | zenzelezz | yeah. It managed to connect now, just "waiting" ;) Must be expected on patch day anyway |
| 01:34.28 | Kirkburn | Same thing here, slow and a crippled snail |
| 01:34.33 | Kirkburn | s/and/as/ |
| 01:34.48 | gnorlish | ... |
| 01:35.04 | Kirkburn | Panza! http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1042 |
| 01:35.27 | Kirkburn | Well, it is. It's very very very slow :) |
| 01:38.36 | Kirkburn | Are the US servers up now, then? |
| 01:39.18 | Kirkburn | Basically, I want some to test ClearFont before I go to bed so I can go to bed content that all is good with the world ... please? *puppy-dog eyes* |
| 01:39.41 | Kirkburn | Don't make me pout :( |
| 01:39.53 | gnorlish | what did you do to it |
| 01:39.56 | gnorlish | mine is working fine |
| 01:40.00 | Kirkburn | The wind might change and I'll get stuck that way ;) |
| 01:40.03 | zenzelezz | sure, go ahead Kirkburn, we're not stopping you |
| 01:40.05 | zenzelezz | ;-p |
| 01:40.25 | Kirkburn | I just updated to the release version, a few little changes from the last beta |
| 01:40.42 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4283-ClearFont.html |
| 01:41.21 | Kirkburn | Ah, good point .. you just reminded me to update my bookmark - I should change that on the website =) |
| 01:42.30 | gnorlish | i'll check it now |
| 01:42.49 | Kirkburn | thankies |
| 01:42.49 | Cairenn | I'd test for you, but if I logged out to install, I probably wouldn't get logged back in |
| 01:42.57 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 01:43.05 | gnorlish | satrina's buffmod definitely broke my ability to inspect,invite,kick people and so on |
| 01:46.05 | gnorlish | kirk, loaded fine for me |
| 01:46.07 | AnduinLothar | :) you can reset instances w/o a party |
| 01:46.10 | gnorlish | anything in particular you want me to look at |
| 01:47.22 | Kirkburn | Nothing in particular ... it works, all is good :) |
| 01:47.28 | Kirkburn | Thanks muchly |
| 01:48.30 | gnorlish | np |
| 01:55.06 | Kirkburn | (damn, it was the Google Web Accelerator that prevented me from seeing the updated website) |
| 01:55.18 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 01:55.56 | Kirkburn | I always for get about it :/ |
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| 02:11.29 | Arog | yawn |
| 02:11.32 | Arog | I should go design a UI now |
| 02:12.07 | Arog | actually I am going to sleep |
| 02:12.08 | Arog | cya tomorrow |
| 02:19.13 | Kirkburn | Night night everyone! |
| 02:20.03 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn |
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| 02:22.32 | chuckg | Woot Naxx resetting already. |
| 02:22.33 | chuckg | Forced reset. |
| 02:23.30 | Cairenn | What is the CTRA install folder named? CTRA? |
| 02:23.48 | Dolby-wowi | EA TO ACQUIRE MYTHIC ENTERTAINMENT http://www.mythicentertainment.com/press/06202006EAMythic.html |
| 02:26.27 | Dolby-wowi | sorry for the caps, was just copy/paste |
| 02:27.24 | Cide | Cairenn: CT_RaidAssist |
| 02:27.33 | Cairenn | yeah, got it, thanks Cide |
| 02:28.31 | Kaelten | Dolby-wowi: thats kinda sad |
| 02:28.48 | Dolby-wowi | yeah |
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| 02:34.46 | MentalPower | ZOMG! Cairenn raids!!!! |
| 02:34.54 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 02:34.55 | MentalPower | :) |
| 02:35.02 | Cairenn | hell no, who's got time? |
| 02:35.40 | MentalPower | lol |
| 02:36.01 | MentalPower | just messing |
| 02:36.04 | Cairenn | I know |
| 02:36.13 | MentalPower | hmm... I need someone to pick on |
| 02:36.34 | MentalPower | I'm installing WoW on WinVista and its slower than molasses on winter |
| 02:37.48 | Dolby-wowi | Cairenn 50 boxes her own raids |
| 02:45.03 | Mikk1 | @Nurfed. Wholly-db-driven sites are EVIL. EVIL. |
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| 02:45.44 | Mikk1 | There's too much SQL in the world. |
| 02:45.55 | Mikk1 | So much could just be done with regular bloody text files and everything would be so much faster. |
| 02:46.52 | Mikk1 | Did I mention that I've written a bug tracking / change management web ui that contains more information than Bugzilla, and is roughly 10 times as fast on the same hardware? Well, slightly less.. 8-9 times as fast. |
| 02:46.54 | Mikk1 | Why? |
| 02:46.58 | Mikk1 | I USED REGULAR BLOODY FILES |
| 02:47.02 | Cairenn | as opposed to oldfangled idiocy? |
| 02:47.11 | Mikk1 | oldfangled idiocy is ok =) |
| 02:47.15 | MentalPower | wowi down again? |
| 02:47.20 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 02:47.26 | Cairenn | *checks* |
| 02:47.28 | Dolby-wowi | no |
| 02:47.33 | MentalPower | wdn |
| 02:47.36 | Cairenn | nope, fine here |
| 02:47.51 | MentalPower | WDN gives me a 404 error |
| 02:47.54 | Cairenn | you are correct, that is down |
| 02:48.01 | Cairenn | and Bela isn't on |
| 02:48.17 | Cairenn | Dolby, anything you can do from your end to fix wdn? |
| 02:48.21 | Dolby-wowi | yeah wdn is disabled for a sec, think its the cause of some crazy loads |
| 02:48.30 | Cairenn | ah, okay |
| 02:50.54 | AnduinLothar | where do i want to eat tonight? |
| 02:51.33 | Wobin | Japanese |
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| 02:55.38 | Buttink | hello again :) |
| 02:56.24 | Cairenn | wb |
| 02:57.34 | Buttink | the joys of figuring out how to save vars!! |
| 02:58.06 | Gryphen | toc entry? |
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| 02:58.26 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 02:59.00 | Wobin | Bah |
| 02:59.04 | Cairenn | wb Iriel |
| 02:59.17 | Wobin | Where's Kirkburn when you want to gossip brit stuff =P |
| 02:59.20 | Buttink | i have it in my toc just hopeing that it works |
| 02:59.24 | Cairenn | gone to sleep |
| 02:59.26 | Iriel | He's not the only brit around you know |
| 02:59.43 | Cairenn | you don't count, you defected |
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| 03:01.27 | ckknight | I figured out my dad is hiring an illegal immigrant today |
| 03:01.32 | Wobin | Iriel: http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/craig%20charles%20suspended%20from%20uk%20soap%20opera_1000354 |
| 03:01.36 | ckknight | yea... turns out he's from Victoria |
| 03:01.51 | Wobin | Victoria? |
| 03:01.58 | ckknight | in Canada |
| 03:02.01 | Wobin | Ah |
| 03:02.07 | Wobin | We got one of those too |
| 03:02.11 | ckknight | it's mostly really funny |
| 03:02.22 | ckknight | he's on a student visa or something |
| 03:04.43 | Wobin | WoWi back down? =\ |
| 03:04.48 | Cairenn | if he's on a student visa, then he probably isn't "illegal" |
| 03:04.55 | Cairenn | yes, we are, Dolby is busy tweaking stuff |
| 03:05.03 | Wobin | Cool =) |
| 03:05.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 03:06.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | Why does the game choose my LAST chat panel instead of my first by default when logging in |
| 03:06.21 | Wobin | I've noticed that too |
| 03:06.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | it shows my healer chat by default, instead of General |
| 03:06.35 | Wobin | It is Odde and Disturbing |
| 03:10.18 | Buttink | so if i get my variable lets say "variabletosave1" in my toc as ##SavedVariablesPerCharacter: variabletosave1 it will auto load it when EACH char logs on |
| 03:10.35 | Iriel | Buttink Well, that character;'s version will |
| 03:10.41 | Iriel | Buttink : if it was saved already |
| 03:10.52 | Buttink | otherwise it woudl go to my default |
| 03:11.58 | Buttink | hmmm... HMMMMmmm wonder why this doesnt work then my addon works as a hole but only if u input the 1 var i have lol |
| 03:12.06 | Buttink | whole* |
| 03:13.00 | Buttink | time to double check spellings |
| 03:13.19 | Cairenn | we're back |
| 03:14.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
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| 03:26.05 | Buttink | PORQUE! |
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| 03:28.32 | MentalPower | Buttink: simple question, is the variable that you're trying to save a global one? |
| 03:31.05 | Buttink | WOoooooooooooo yes and i got it to work |
| 03:32.02 | Buttink | i can get anything to work if i just keep typing stuff out untill it works |
| 03:33.35 | Buttink | there woudlnt happen to be a way to tell if anouther addon was loaded without editing the other addon |
| 03:34.23 | MentalPower | IsAddOnLoaded("name") |
| 03:34.27 | Buttink | i love u |
| 03:36.35 | Buttink | taht woudl be a if(IsAddOnLoaded("Flexbar") == true) correct |
| 03:36.43 | Iriel | Without the == true |
| 03:36.50 | Buttink | no need for true |
| 03:36.52 | Iriel | just if (IsAddOnLoaded("Flexbar")) |
| 03:37.13 | Iriel | the true will likely end up giving you the wrong answer, because /most/ of the API functions use 1 for true and nil for false |
| 03:37.38 | Buttink | to used to C++ |
| 03:38.02 | Cairenn | wdn back |
| 03:38.25 | Iriel | Now fix my realms! 8-) |
| 03:40.19 | Mikk1 | Re: variables and spellings... That's one aspect of most scripting languages I'm not too fond of. I want my scripts to complain if I'm trying to access something that was never created. =/ |
| 03:40.57 | Mikk1 | Heck, give me strict typing while you're at it >.< |
| 03:41.10 | Iriel | Mikk1 - Create yourself a namespace table, give it a metamethod that checks for unknown values |
| 03:41.27 | Iriel | Mikk1 - And give it 'read through' to the global environment, then setfenv all your code to use that by default |
| 03:41.36 | Mikk1 | Haha |
| 03:41.40 | Iriel | I think strict typing in lua would be a liability |
| 03:41.48 | Mikk1 | Aye that works, sort of, except i have to do it to all my tables too =) |
| 03:41.55 | Mikk1 | (Nice idea btw =)) |
| 03:42.10 | Mikk1 | Iriel: How so? |
| 03:42.23 | Mikk1 | I mean, yeah, as everything WoW related today is written, definitely. |
| 03:42.34 | Mikk1 | But just considering Lua as a langauge...? |
| 03:43.18 | Iriel | The beauty of lua as a language is the supreme flexibility of everything |
| 03:43.23 | Mikk1 | True |
| 03:43.31 | Buttink | i still like c++ more |
| 03:43.32 | zespri_work | lua has very specific target area - it's a language that you embedd to other software. It mostly designed to allow for quick scipting |
| 03:43.34 | Iriel | strict typing would start breaking things in unexpected places |
| 03:43.43 | zespri_work | and strict typing as less flexible |
| 03:43.46 | zespri_work | *is |
| 03:43.47 | Iriel | I wouldn't write the things I write in java or C++ in lua |
| 03:43.51 | Darklin | I wish I could script the wow ui in Python. At least I know that. Lua huts. |
| 03:44.00 | Darklin | *hurts |
| 03:44.08 | Buttink | LUA gives me tumors |
| 03:44.10 | Mikk1 | Bah, Lua is a nice friendly language |
| 03:44.29 | Darklin | Eh, it's not terrible. I just like python better. I'm a language pedant tho. |
| 03:44.30 | Iriel | I'm fairly close to looking for lua engines written to run within a jvm at times tho -) |
| 03:44.31 | Buttink | yah but i still now C++ better so its just diffrent |
| 03:44.36 | Mikk1 | And tbqph, the inventors were bloody geniouses to accomplish all the flexibility they've managed in as few lines of code as they have |
| 03:44.43 | Buttink | know* |
| 03:44.48 | Iriel | Oddly enough, python's managed to rub me the wrong way every time I try and get started in it |
| 03:45.10 | Darklin | I don't think it's for everyone. I like it tho, but i'm used to it. |
| 03:45.18 | Darklin | Every language has its nuances. |
| 03:45.36 | Buttink | exactly |
| 03:46.07 | Iriel | I can't put my finger on why I dont like it though, and that bothers me too 8-) |
| 03:46.18 | Iriel | I get similar reactions to it as I did to Tcl |
| 03:46.46 | Mikk1 | Python fascinates me to some extent |
| 03:46.48 | Darklin | Really? That's odd because TCL and Python have very little in common. |
| 03:47.00 | Iriel | I know, but I really disliked tcl |
| 03:47.02 | Mikk1 | I've never really written anything useful in it but the indent-as-scope features is kinda "whoa!" |
| 03:47.11 | Darklin | Aside from the being dynamically typed and being a scripting language. |
| 03:47.24 | Darklin | Add to that the apparently "Disliked by Iriel" status and that's about it. |
| 03:47.59 | Iriel | It may just be not finding the right book to get started |
| 03:48.03 | Iriel | or the right problem to get started |
| 03:48.13 | Darklin | It feels natural to me. And encourages it's own idea of good programming style. |
| 03:48.23 | Darklin | Which is one thing alot of longtime coders don't care for |
| 03:48.26 | zespri_work | Iriel, have you ever looked at forth? =) |
| 03:48.28 | Darklin | So that may be it, Iriel. |
| 03:48.32 | Iriel | I loved forth |
| 03:48.36 | Iriel | and PostScript |
| 03:48.49 | Iriel | (and Ample, for any oldschool UK folks) |
| 03:49.06 | zespri_work | never heard of Ample though |
| 03:49.20 | Darklin | Damn, I both love and completely hate the new Nurfed ActionBars. |
| 03:49.29 | zespri_work | I used to have a computer with forth when I was a kid |
| 03:49.39 | Iriel | Ample was (is?) a forth-based music language |
| 03:49.48 | Buttink | FLEXBAR ftw |
| 03:49.57 | Darklin | Bah. Flexbar makes my nose bleed. |
| 03:49.57 | zespri_work | what in heck is a music language???? |
| 03:50.07 | Iriel | something you use to program a music synthesizer? |
| 03:50.17 | Buttink | i love flexbar so much flexability lol |
| 03:50.21 | Iriel | in this particular case, a sequencer + sythethizer |
| 03:50.24 | Iriel | spelled right |
| 03:50.27 | zespri_work | oh sure |
| 03:50.54 | Darklin | Mikk1: Aye, you said that. |
| 03:50.55 | Iriel | What the hell... I got D/C'ed on the theramore boat |
| 03:50.56 | Darklin | Hehe |
| 03:51.02 | zespri_work | never were to close to music so it didn't occure to me at first |
| 03:51.06 | Buttink | sucks to be u |
| 03:51.07 | Darklin | Bleh, nm. |
| 03:51.09 | Iriel | I logged back in UNDER the Boulderslide Ravine, and died from falling |
| 03:51.14 | Darklin | Somehow I scrolled up. |
| 03:51.39 | Darklin | Buttink: Flexbar is far too complex for what I'm after. |
| 03:51.48 | Buttink | lol my UI has buttons |
| 03:51.50 | Buttink | EVERYWHERE |
| 03:51.58 | Darklin | Sadly, noone seems to make what I'm after. So I'm going to end up having to make it myself. |
| 03:52.04 | Mikk1 | (no, not python. the other one) |
| 03:52.21 | Buttink | what do u want? |
| 03:52.21 | zespri_work | pascal, prolog? |
| 03:52.24 | Iriel | Hey, the widget API page is a perl script 8-) |
| 03:52.24 | Dolby-wowi | perl ? |
| 03:52.29 | zespri_work | php |
| 03:52.37 | Darklin | Buttink: Ever play with the old Nurfed_ActionBars? |
| 03:52.45 | Darklin | Three button bars stacked up |
| 03:52.47 | Buttink | the ond ones yah they rocked |
| 03:53.01 | Darklin | The bottom button bar could still be <SHIFT> swapped |
| 03:53.08 | Buttink | oh a 3X2 2X3 and stuff like that |
| 03:53.11 | zespri_work | or even PL/1 |
| 03:53.15 | Dolby-wowi | whats a modem? |
| 03:53.15 | Wobin | Squeeeeeel enow enow enow brrrrrt chhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 03:53.36 | zespri_work | I know many names of the languages that start with pee |
| 03:53.36 | Dolby-wowi | ooooohhhhhhh |
| 03:53.48 | Mikk1 | Wobin: Old skool modem. No error correction. |
| 03:54.47 | Wobin | Wow. we were geeks =P |
| 03:54.50 | Darklin | For some reason, 1.11 broke some trick of something that Nurfed_ActionBars was using and now I can't get it working properly again without a gajillion errors. |
| 03:54.50 | Mikk1 | Squeeeeeeeel enow enow enow brrrrt chhhhhhh choioioiouoiuo *ponggg* ... *pong*... *pongggg..*' chhhhhhh <-- error correcting modem =) |
| 03:55.19 | Buttink | my SCT doesnt work with rep anymore and it doesnt display anything only errors when rep gain |
| 03:55.21 | Wobin | hehe |
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| 03:56.06 | Kaelten | gnight |
| 03:56.26 | Cairenn | night KaeltenAway |
| 03:56.34 | Darklin | getglobal(name..i.."NormalTexture"):SetWidth(texturesize*scale); < Right there is one of the things that's killing it |
| 03:56.37 | Buttink | I want to make an addon that makes 10 frames over the CT_RAMTGroup frames so u can SHIFT click and it would auto heal a selected heal |
| 03:56.39 | Iriel | Hm,s o now i'm dead and can't log in. 8-( |
| 03:57.14 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 03:57.15 | Darklin | Buttink: Why not just mod CTRA |
| 03:57.31 | Darklin | Or write a mod that hooks the CTRA frames |
| 03:57.38 | Buttink | then i would have to copy paste ever CTRA plus kind of want to give to my guildies |
| 03:57.43 | Buttink | every |
| 03:57.45 | AnduinLothar | so yeah iriel, never really figured out why the editbox was truncating |
| 03:58.01 | Darklin | So just write one that hooks the event handlers for the CTRA frames |
| 03:58.04 | Iriel | Another one for the pirate eh? |
| 03:58.31 | Darklin | Then do a Check to see if SHIFT is pressed and if so, create a mechanism to set up what spell to fire. |
| 03:58.36 | Cide | or see CT_RA_CustomOnClickFunction |
| 03:58.40 | AnduinLothar | i guess. I'll have to figure out what the cap is. |
| 03:58.40 | Cairenn | the pirate is a poopyhead! |
| 03:59.00 | Cide | see the top of CT_RaidAssist.lua |
| 03:59.11 | AnduinLothar | I'm dissapointed i can't find a workaround, I've tried so hard to make this hack work |
| 03:59.33 | Buttink | would be simple wouldnt it ... will probly add to the one i have right now it takes Flexbar buttons you pick like 1-10 and puts them exactly next to your MainTank list and hides if they are visable or not is hides and junk its sweet almost finished |
| 04:00.28 | AnduinLothar | So cide, what'd you end up doing with the features wow implemented? remove them, augment the blizz ones or just leave um in? |
| 04:00.37 | Iriel | Well, since I can't log in, i'm going to idle off somewhere and watch a movie or something |
| 04:00.41 | Cide | nothing, yet |
| 04:00.55 | Buttink | lv 60 paly ... aka shitty priest in plate mainly why im doing this |
| 04:01.03 | Cairenn | have a good evening Iriel |
| 04:01.08 | Buttink | got boired of 2 heals |
| 04:01.13 | Buttink | got to make it interesting somehow |
| 04:01.25 | AnduinLothar | yeah pally healing isn't very inspiring, but it's very efficient |
| 04:01.42 | Buttink | yah very mana efficient and like no agro |
| 04:01.49 | AnduinLothar | just spam 1 button and have a mod do targetting is about all that's required |
| 04:02.08 | AnduinLothar | same thing in 5man as in raid |
| 04:02.17 | Wobin | I picked up a nice 3k crit heal from a pally |
| 04:02.19 | Buttink | yah but thats cheating lol |
| 04:02.25 | Buttink | 3k is low lol |
| 04:02.33 | AnduinLothar | only diff is in 5man if you're main healing you need to stun things and shield more |
| 04:02.33 | Wobin | Well, I was appreciative =P |
| 04:02.47 | Buttink | find the healadins in plate with 4kcrits |
| 04:02.49 | Buttink | im one of them |
| 04:02.55 | Wobin | Since I only have 4k health, 3k was plenty =P |
| 04:03.05 | Buttink | holy light rank 9 ftw |
| 04:03.08 | AnduinLothar | i have +400 healing and 40mp5 on mine |
| 04:03.20 | AnduinLothar | yeah rank nine will hit 4k |
| 04:03.43 | Wobin | I have +400ish healing... but I need some epics to cover for lack of int |
| 04:03.50 | AnduinLothar | i personally like 1500 flashes tho |
| 04:03.51 | Wobin | s/some// |
| 04:04.14 | Buttink | i can only get 1500 flashes with ZHC + divin favor |
| 04:04.21 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 04:04.33 | AnduinLothar | and BoL |
| 04:05.05 | Buttink | blessing of sancuary is useless why do we even et it |
| 04:05.08 | Buttink | get |
| 04:05.26 | AnduinLothar | it's not bad if you're a prot tankadin with ashield |
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| 04:05.41 | Buttink | yah but what end game guild actualy lets a paly tank |
| 04:05.48 | AnduinLothar | and it's not bad if it's the 6th blessing in a 40man |
| 04:05.58 | AnduinLothar | heya slou |
| 04:06.06 | Wobin | hiya Slouken |
| 04:06.07 | AnduinLothar | was just talkign about you actually |
| 04:06.15 | slouken | You got it all wrong, I'm fast. ;-) |
| 04:06.16 | Buttink | its a bonus but i would rather have like a + 20 defence buff |
| 04:06.28 | slouken | Hi Wobin |
| 04:07.04 | AnduinLothar | true, +defence aura or +crit would be uber, but i spose other classes have similar things |
| 04:07.20 | AnduinLothar | anyway slouken, do you know of a max editbox text size? |
| 04:07.51 | slouken | The font system probably can't render more than 4K or so of text... otherwise, not that I know of. |
| 04:07.51 | AnduinLothar | I've got mine truncating with ... even with no max set |
| 04:08.01 | slouken | That's a size limitation there. |
| 04:08.06 | Cairenn | ARGH! It's a Pirate! Get him! He's a poopyhead! |
| 04:08.20 | AnduinLothar | 4k text is like 20000 lines of text tho |
| 04:08.22 | Wobin | Cairenn's a ninja? |
| 04:08.39 | Buttink | or a legendary +healing wep for palys (not complaining about hand of rag just saying dont realy get to show it off in raid) |
| 04:08.40 | AnduinLothar | mines truncating at less than 128 |
| 04:08.47 | slouken | That's size, Anduin |
| 04:08.59 | AnduinLothar | 4k characters? |
| 04:09.10 | slouken | The size of the editbox on screen. You need to make it bigger, or scrolling |
| 04:09.17 | AnduinLothar | it's scrolling |
| 04:09.48 | AnduinLothar | but sometimes it truncates in the middle of the line which is odd.. |
| 04:10.07 | AnduinLothar | stressful patch? |
| 04:10.23 | slouken | Not bad, actually. :) |
| 04:10.29 | slouken | Mmmm, noodles! |
| 04:11.27 | AnduinLothar | oh ok, another question: have any idea how to make a MessageFrame grow to fit the text in it like an editbox does inside a ScrollFrame? |
| 04:14.17 | Buttink | YO all palys ... hell everyoen GO HERE http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-paladin&t=1112767&tmp=1#post1112767 |
| 04:14.25 | Buttink | POST PLZ! |
| 04:14.34 | Cairenn | Buttink: lose the caps, hmmm? |
| 04:14.43 | Buttink | fine |
| 04:14.51 | Buttink | people must go see it though |
| 04:15.01 | AnduinLothar | you don't want to look like a power ranger? |
| 04:15.03 | Wobin | Classy |
| 04:15.09 | Buttink | not realy |
| 04:15.27 | Cairenn | ~whaleslap slouken |
| 04:15.33 | purl | ACTION beats slouken upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 04:15.37 | Buttink | i can deal with being a healadin even though i want to do damamge but being a power ranger is just to much |
| 04:15.55 | AnduinLothar | then get some damage gear |
| 04:16.01 | Kyahx | and change your spec |
| 04:16.08 | Cairenn | can we take the mass hysteria elsewhere please? it really doesn't fit in this channel |
| 04:16.08 | Kyahx | :P |
| 04:16.18 | Buttink | lol ok who here HAS a lv 60 paly in an end game guild |
| 04:16.32 | AnduinLothar | <-- |
| 04:16.49 | Buttink | how many times can u roll on warrior/damage gear |
| 04:16.56 | Kyahx | Actually, while Slouken is in here, I've got a question for him... |
| 04:17.15 | Kyahx | why can't I do CastSpellByName("Flash Heal", "raid23") |
| 04:17.16 | AnduinLothar | I got a medalion of steadfast might last mc 'raid' |
| 04:17.22 | Kyahx | :P that would be endlessly usefull |
| 04:17.27 | AnduinLothar | tank gear, not damage |
| 04:17.45 | AnduinLothar | but i also have an Obsidion edge blade |
| 04:17.55 | AnduinLothar | and halberd of smiting |
| 04:18.09 | Buttink | i have a manslayer of that q word |
| 04:18.20 | End | Kyahx, you might want to make a forum post about that instead of asking him here |
| 04:18.37 | AnduinLothar | i can bid on whatever i will use |
| 04:18.52 | Kyahx | heh, probley should :P I don't go on the forums much =/ |
| 04:19.03 | AnduinLothar | if it's plate damage gear I get the same treatment as a war |
| 04:19.16 | Buttink | we do guild progresson first so palys get damage armor and weps last |
| 04:19.18 | AnduinLothar | because they know we can dps |
| 04:19.32 | AnduinLothar | a pally in our guild has the only hand of rag |
| 04:19.40 | Buttink | on your serfver? |
| 04:19.49 | AnduinLothar | me and him can get top 2 in damge meters in 40 man raids |
| 04:19.55 | AnduinLothar | no, only hand in the guild |
| 04:20.04 | slouken | ~tickle Cairenn |
| 04:20.05 | purl | ACTION jumps on Cairenn, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 04:20.20 | AnduinLothar | and in my healing gear i can get top healing |
| 04:20.33 | AnduinLothar | if you gear for it you can do whatever as a pally |
| 04:20.49 | AnduinLothar | can't range dps.. |
| 04:20.49 | Buttink | waht guild are u in? and what server |
| 04:21.05 | AnduinLothar | The Collective, Kil'jaeden |
| 04:21.36 | AnduinLothar | not one of the server's bests, but we're in bwl workign our way through |
| 04:22.10 | Buttink | ah im on Illidan guild payon |
| 04:22.22 | Buttink | we have done all of MC/BWL/AQ20/ZG |
| 04:22.34 | Buttink | now we get to work on AQ40 and NAXX!!! |
| 04:22.40 | AnduinLothar | hf |
| 04:22.52 | AnduinLothar | it'll be a while before we get to nax |
| 04:24.49 | Buttink | well after i got us all off topic |
| 04:25.33 | AnduinLothar | it's ok, slouken wasn't being esp helpful from his spot ont he beach |
| 04:25.56 | AnduinLothar | and iriel is movieing so i guess i get to trial and error for a few hours |
| 04:26.23 | Buttink | goign to kill stuff for AD rep see yah |
| 04:27.18 | Kyahx | haha...payon... |
| 04:33.41 | zespri_work | new lfg channel sucks big time. this is what I was afraid of. everybody is spamming offtopic there like crazy. |
| 04:34.20 | zespri_work | I don't even know if this is a good change or bad. It's sure didn't mae finding a group easier. |
| 04:34.21 | ckknight | it's no longer per zone? |
| 04:34.35 | zespri_work | yeah, it's seems to be global now |
| 04:37.44 | Wobin | zespri I agree |
| 04:42.47 | AnduinLothar | wow stopped respawning |
| 04:42.54 | AnduinLothar | at ony.. |
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| 04:44.10 | slouken | !@#$ing windows update! |
| 04:44.11 | Cairenn | wb |
| 04:44.17 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 04:44.18 | slouken | I mean "hi!" :) |
| 04:45.23 | AnduinLothar | get disc at ony, log in dead |
| 04:45.34 | AnduinLothar | failure.. |
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| 04:47.51 | Cairenn | hey Thrae |
| 04:48.42 | Thrae | I'm not having a good night. I have to play "Find the addon broken with 1.11" sometime, which I couldn't do today because I needed to reinstall Debian on my server. |
| 04:48.53 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 04:48.53 | Thrae | That'll teach me not to backup my root directory. |
| 04:50.27 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 04:51.09 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the command for the built-in raid broadcast-text-to-the-center-of-everyone's-screen? |
| 04:52.28 | JoshBorke | what's the new command for the blizzard ready check? |
| 04:52.34 | JoshBorke | ( ScytheBlade1 ): /rw and /rs? |
| 04:52.47 | ScytheBlade1 | /rw is it :) |
| 04:52.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks |
| 04:53.43 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.50 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.09 | ScytheBlade1 | /raidinfo isn't the ready check |
| 04:54.16 | Thrae | Well it isn't /rw either |
| 04:54.29 | ScytheBlade1 | /rw is the broadcast |
| 04:54.50 | JoshBorke | readycheck is it |
| 04:54.54 | JoshBorke | found it in the patch notes |
| 04:54.58 | Thrae | I thought it was a command off /raidinfo |
| 04:55.10 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.19 | ScytheBlade1 | /rc doesn't work |
| 04:55.35 | JoshBorke | ( Thrae ): it is |
| 04:56.38 | Thrae | Yeah, it's /readycheck, I got confused because they added a button for RaidInfo and the /raidinfo slash command stuck in my head for some reason. |
| 05:05.30 | MentalPower | gnight |
| 05:05.39 | Cairenn | night MentalPower |
| 05:18.10 | ScytheBlade1 | So |
| 05:18.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to know how to make a button, I can drag onto a toolbar |
| 05:18.50 | ScytheBlade1 | How in the bloody crap would I even start with that? ;) |
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| 05:19.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 05:19.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | where IS this ghost leatherworker that they mention? |
| 05:47.40 | Codayus | Does anyone know offhand the script command to set a raid symbol over a targets head? |
| 05:49.12 | Mikk1 | Hunt around in FrameXML for GetRaidTargetIndex() and you might find something nearby |
| 05:49.38 | Codayus | Hmm, there was a blue post...which I can't find. |
| 05:49.41 | Mikk1 | And please document it at http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API :-) |
| 05:50.15 | Mikk1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=397222 |
| 05:50.21 | Mikk1 | Not blue, it was our local hero =) |
| 05:52.05 | Mikk1 | * NEW index = GetRaidTargetIndex("unit") - Get the raid target index assigned to a unit. |
| 05:52.05 | Mikk1 | * NEW SetRaidTarget("unit", index) - Set the raid target index for a unit. |
| 05:53.42 | Mikk1 | ScytheBlade1: Tell users to make a macro that calls something in your mod? |
| 05:53.55 | Mikk1 | (Fwiw, it's ActionButtons you want to be dealing with) |
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| 05:55.02 | Codayus | Mikk1: Naa, a blue posted on the test forum a while back |
| 05:55.03 | wereHamster | Does 1.11 work under wine? Or do I need a special patch? |
| 05:55.06 | Codayus | But, that IS the command. |
| 05:55.10 | Codayus | so yeah, thanks |
| 05:58.32 | AnduinLothar | ~lart Mikk1 |
| 05:58.45 | Mikk1 | Tsk |
| 05:58.46 | Cairenn | that's not a lart, that's a promise! |
| 05:58.53 | Mikk1 | A proper lart is way more blunt |
| 05:58.58 | Mikk1 | Think clue-by-four here |
| 05:59.38 | Mikk1 | I lost my clueby4 domain last week. Forgot to pay =( |
| 06:00.02 | slouken | Good night everyone |
| 06:00.11 | Mikk1 | gnite =) |
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| 06:00.13 | Cairenn | night slouken |
| 06:00.15 | *** part/#wowi-lounge slouken (n=Sam@ip68-5-37-254.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 06:00.45 | Mikk1 | Whoa?! It hasn't been stolen by a domain camper yet?! Wtf, I thought that happened automagically. |
| 06:01.10 | Tain | EA bought Mythic Entertainment? Poor Dark Age of Camelot. |
| 06:01.37 | Tain | And poor Warhammer Online. :( |
| 06:01.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Mikk1, that defeats the point of the buttons :) |
| 06:02.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Mikk1, and more importantly, macro'd buttons spams the chat history log. -.- |
| 06:02.38 | Mikk1 | On a slightly more on-topic note... Does anyone here have any kind of addon that uses new or changed 1.11 functionality to any meaningful extent? Doesn't matter if it's not finished. If it's supposed to survive loading, it'll be plenty help to me =) |
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| 06:03.00 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:03.11 | wereHamster | :( .. there he was.. slouken |
| 06:07.08 | Mikk1 | Whoa! My LART site is still on my hard drive! http://81.233.236.26/lart/ <-- woot =) |
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| 06:20.12 | Mikk1 | * UnitSex("unit") now returns 1=unknown,2=male,3=female instead of 0=male,1=female,2=unknown <== Err, ok, thanks for THAT pointless compatibility-breaking change |
| 06:20.47 | Depherios | lol yeah |
| 06:20.56 | Tain | There is a point to it and it was explained in the UI forum. |
| 06:21.46 | Depherios | link? -- I missed it O_o I don't check much beyond Iriel's sticky... too many silly questions |
| 06:21.59 | Depherios | or if the answer is short... eh... I'll google it |
| 06:22.07 | Depherios | I'm not lazy ^_^ |
| 06:22.41 | Mikk1 | "This was a change, for localization" |
| 06:22.58 | Mikk1 | And yeah I can see how you want to use 1-index in Lua arrays, but... erhm... UnitSex()+1 anyone? |
| 06:22.59 | Depherios | hmm okay |
| 06:23.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Mikk1, show me ONE other 0-based WoW lua thing ;) |
| 06:23.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I have yet to find one |
| 06:23.35 | Mikk1 | GetMoney() on my account =) |
| 06:23.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It wasn't for localization, it was for consistency |
| 06:23.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, that's for a reason ;) |
| 06:24.05 | Elessdy | not a good enough reason, i'd think, but apparently they felt otherwise |
| 06:24.23 | Mikk1 | I'd have made a new UnitGender() and have that return the new values instead |
| 06:24.24 | Mikk1 | Ohwell |
| 06:25.18 | Mikk1 | (Which means that everything is very well documented, down to and including bugs, but nothing ever gets fixed or changes =)) |
| 06:29.06 | ScytheBlade1 | A better, more accurate way to tell your latency |
| 06:29.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Look at how negative the casting bar goes ;) |
| 06:29.38 | Mikk1 | Write an addon! |
| 06:30.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm trying. You told me to make macros with slash commands ;) |
| 06:30.36 | Mikk1 | To accurately measure latency, I mean =) |
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| 06:39.16 | Ktron | hehheh |
| 06:40.48 | AnduinLothar | GetChannelName |
| 06:42.27 | Ktron | I realized that I can just use an argument from the event |
| 06:43.14 | Mikk1 | So, um now that I've spammed away my question, I'll just ask once more: If anyone here has a mod that uses 1.11-specific functionality, I'd love a copy for some WoWBench testing. Doesn't matter if it's not finished or whatever. As long as it's meant to survive the loading process, it helps! |
| 06:51.35 | Ktron | Alright, time to see if I can convert a luaslinger lua script into a standalone addon |
| 06:52.04 | Elkano | some people really deserve to be beaten... http://cgi.ebay.com/World-of-Warcraft-EPIC-Account-worth-over-15000-US_W0QQitemZ104753256982QQcategoryZ4596QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting |
| 06:54.15 | s|loup | omg |
| 06:54.47 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 06:54.51 | Cairenn | that's just sad |
| 06:54.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That's his guild bank |
| 06:54.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Being ebayed |
| 06:55.32 | Ktron | lame |
| 06:55.49 | Ktron | pff, his numbers are off though |
| 06:56.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a heck of a guild that disbanded |
| 06:56.34 | Ktron | jade, star rubies, aquamarines-- all worth less than 1g each on all 4 servers I've played on |
| 06:56.53 | Ktron | does ti say they disbanded, or is he just ripping them off? |
| 06:57.01 | ScytheBlade1 | disbanded |
| 06:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | " Now that the guild has disbanded, I decided to get the last laugh and liquidate everything." |
| 06:58.15 | MoonWolf | with the amount of money on that account you could totally dominate the ah. |
| 06:58.27 | MoonWolf | buy all felcloth and resell it with profit |
| 06:58.29 | ScytheBlade1 | And with those mats. |
| 06:58.33 | MoonWolf | those things. |
| 06:59.09 | Ktron | Server is Emerald Dream, btw |
| 06:59.19 | ScytheBlade1 | How can you tell? |
| 06:59.26 | Ktron | Rhonse, from one of the screenshots is in the guild The Blood Stained Angels, and... |
| 06:59.34 | Ktron | http://www.thottbot.com/?p=Rhonse.Emerald_Dream a quick search found me this |
| 07:00.26 | ScytheBlade1 | How can you tell that the bank belongs to them? |
| 07:00.58 | wereHamster | What makes you think his name is Rhonse? |
| 07:01.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Whatever |
| 07:02.01 | wereHamster | ah.. you just wanted to find out on which realm he is.. -.- |
| 07:02.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I need sleep |
| 07:02.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I demand sleep, night |
| 07:02.21 | Ktron | yeah, one of the screenshots has Rhonse in it, and I found a match with name and guild |
| 07:02.39 | Ktron | chances that there are another duplicate of that, especially with a guild name like 'blood stained angels' I think is pretty low |
| 07:04.46 | wereHamster | Does anyone here use fraps or similar tools to record WoW? |
| 07:05.32 | Ktron | I tried, used gamecam a little |
| 07:05.52 | Cairenn | I played with gamecam a teeny bit |
| 07:06.09 | wereHamster | I'm having problems with editing the video.. |
| 07:06.32 | wereHamster | no application can handle >2GB AVI files :( |
| 07:06.56 | Ktron | never got that far |
| 07:08.29 | wereHamster | It would be nice to create a guild presentation video.. something that looks professional :) |
| 07:10.28 | Elkano | even vdub can't? |
| 07:10.42 | krka|work | not an os / filesystem limit then? |
| 07:11.06 | wereHamster | QuickTime can play the video fine, WMP stops after 2GB.. |
| 07:11.27 | wereHamster | MPlayer/VLC can, as usual, play the video, too |
| 07:12.09 | Ktron | how, w/o using xml, do you setup a function in lua to run every time a particular event fires? |
| 07:13.14 | wereHamster | this=CreateFrame("Frame");this:RegisterEvent("...");this:SetScript("OnEvent", function() ... end) |
| 07:13.39 | wereHamster | Elkano, I would like to add sound and edit the video more than just cut scenes.. That's why I've tried Adobe Premiere... |
| 07:13.46 | Ktron | wereHamster, I need to have a frame like that? |
| 07:14.09 | Ktron | what about self:RegisterEvent("...")? |
| 07:14.23 | wereHamster | if 'self' is a frame.. |
| 07:14.36 | wereHamster | and doesnm't already have a OnEvent script.. |
| 07:15.10 | Ktron | alright, so I should just do it the way you mentioned... okay |
| 07:23.20 | Ktron | well pastebin is going slow, and I'm sure this error is bigger than I can handle tonight |
| 07:23.23 | Ktron | catch you all tomorrow |
| 07:25.39 | Elkano | btw: is there a way to pass self when an event is called? |
| 07:26.34 | wereHamster | as an upvalue? |
| 07:27.42 | krka|work | that would be my solution too |
| 07:27.56 | krka|work | except it creates a new function closure |
| 07:30.59 | ckknight | this.self = self |
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| 07:46.58 | Kaso | Is anyone on their server at US yet ? |
| 07:47.10 | Depherios | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.36 | Kaso | Do you happen to have a Primal Hakkari in your bank or itemlink or something? |
| 07:47.52 | Depherios | actually... yes I do... need to go turn it in now lol |
| 07:48.19 | Kaso | Can you confirm that theres 4 lines now, and line 3 is the class req ? |
| 07:48.32 | Depherios | Primal Hakkari Stanchion |
| 07:48.34 | Depherios | Binds when picked up |
| 07:48.38 | Depherios | Classes: Priest, Warlock Druid |
| 07:48.46 | Depherios | "A legendary Paragon of Power |
| 07:48.55 | Depherios | from the old Gurabashi Empire." |
| 07:49.10 | Depherios | AKA "yes" |
| 07:49.21 | Kaso | ha, thanks |
| 07:49.46 | Kaso | gotta change my addon that added my custom class info onto them |
| 07:50.29 | Kaso | oh shit, the bijou aren't used for the quests now either arent they? |
| 07:50.37 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 07:50.38 | Depherios | nope |
| 07:51.04 | Kaso | are Idols still used? |
| 08:08.16 | Wobin | "As a guest of Uwe Boll they will be given the chance to be an extra/stand-in in Postal and have the opportunity to put on boxing gloves and enter a BOXING RING [emphasis in the original] to fight Uwe Boll. Each critic will have the opportunity to bring down Uwe in a 10-bout match. |
| 08:08.28 | Wobin | That's brilliant =P |
| 08:08.37 | Wobin | http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=24707327&sid=6152650 |
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| 08:29.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | the head administrator for a forum i go to is on this list :P |
| 08:45.41 | Codayus | Hmmm |
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| 08:57.42 | Wobin | rofl I love ursulav |
| 08:57.44 | Wobin | http://ursulav.livejournal.com/494970.html |
| 08:58.02 | Wobin | "and suddenly there was this shot in my hand, and I thought "My god! Refusing to drink this would be like kicking a puppy in a business suit!" |
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| 09:15.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | that sounds like something Hunter S. Thompson would say |
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| 09:33.05 | Maldivia | *grumble* |
| 09:35.26 | wereHamster | why? |
| 09:36.22 | Maldivia | a thunderstorm monday struck down right in my cable provider... |
| 09:36.34 | Maldivia | been without internet ever since :| |
| 09:36.48 | Maldivia | only have access via work at the moment |
| 09:37.05 | wereHamster | no neighbour with wlan? |
| 09:37.27 | Maldivia | all my neighbors use the same provider :9 |
| 09:37.48 | Maldivia | but it should come back today... |
| 09:38.49 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone knows what changed in the EULA? |
| 09:42.26 | Kaso | iriel was say some of the changes yesterday, i cant remeber if there was a link to them or not |
| 09:52.01 | Kaso | "Heh, new CYA wording in the EULA: If your hardware meets the minimum requirements, the installation of the Game Client will enable you to play the Game by accessing your account with the Service (your "Account")" |
| 09:52.09 | Kaso | "Ah, new language explicitly prohibiting connection to emulated servers" |
| 09:52.19 | Kaso | "Ooh, and a Consent to Monitor - in ALL CAPS" |
| 09:52.30 | Kaso | (@Iriel) So the only big changes are 1) Toughening up of the anti-emulation wording, 2) The Consent to Monitor |
| 09:52.55 | Kaso | thats all i have in my chatlogs Maldivia, there was a pastebin link but it's timed out. |
| 09:53.30 | Maldivia | Ok, thanks |
| 09:53.50 | Maldivia | just noticed the date was bumped - read through it, but couldn't remeber the old one :9 |
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| 10:03.55 | Legorol^ | hello people |
| 10:04.04 | Legorol^ | it's started... i spotted the first "remove the global LFG" post |
| 10:04.11 | Kaso | ha ha |
| 10:04.37 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 10:05.05 | Kaso | I think someone should get around to writing some sort of level-based filtering addon. |
| 10:06.26 | wereHamster | why not just /leave Global LFG ? |
| 10:06.49 | Kaso | well what if you're a level 10 and you need to find a group for hogger or something? |
| 10:07.06 | Maldivia | Kaso: so you want to do a /who lookup, everytime someone sends a message to that channel ? |
| 10:07.17 | Legorol^ | wereHamster: in and of itself global LFG for the purposes of level 60s is not bad |
| 10:07.25 | Legorol^ | you can leave it if it's spammy, and join it when you are genuinely LFG |
| 10:07.33 | Legorol^ | however the big problem is that it *replaced* the local LFG |
| 10:07.38 | Kaso | well that'd be impossible ofc, but maybe some sort of keyword filtering, so a level 20 gets LFG WC rather than LFG UBRS |
| 10:07.43 | wereHamster | ay.. |
| 10:08.54 | wereHamster | Blizzard should find a *real* solution to the LFG problem.. didn't they say they will implement something like CTA? |
| 10:08.58 | Legorol^ | hehe, and EU is on the fritz.. |
| 10:09.05 | Legorol^ | site is down, forums are down, not able to log in |
| 10:09.17 | Legorol^ | that's what they get for deciding to swap out their authentication servers |
| 10:09.41 | Legorol^ | i'm guessing no auth. servers for a few more hours, than a massive invasion of complaints on the forums |
| 10:09.48 | Legorol^ | Iriel: how did it go in the US way back? |
| 10:09.55 | Legorol^ | when they swapped auth servers for you guys |
| 10:10.05 | Legorol^ | hold on... Iriel? what are you doing up so late |
| 10:10.12 | Kaso | How about this: you periodically do /ChatInfo General and then you only recive LFG messages from those in your zone which youve got from the chatinfo. |
| 10:10.13 | Legorol^ | you are not normally around at this time |
| 10:10.16 | Maldivia | I actually like the EQ2 "LFG" channels, which are devided in level 1-9, 10-19, 20-29 etc |
| 10:10.32 | Legorol^ | Kaso: many people leave General |
| 10:10.51 | Legorol^ | i think the best solution would've been a global LFG on top of the local one |
| 10:10.59 | Iriel | I got sucked into From the Earth to the Moon (One of the best series i've /EVER/ watched, I decided to watch some of it again and couldn't stop) |
| 10:11.04 | Legorol^ | or, seeing that wuld occupy yet another channel slot, |
| 10:11.47 | Legorol^ | maybe an option to switch if LFG is local or global |
| 10:11.58 | Iriel | Actually I watched Apollo 13 first, then 3 episodes, but really it's better to watch Apollo 13 in the appropriate slot in the series (then watch the series episode about the same mission) |
| 10:12.13 | Legorol^ | I love Apollo 13 |
| 10:12.18 | Legorol^ | one of my favourite movies ever |
| 10:12.27 | Legorol^ | in fact, that was the first ever movie I bought on DVD |
| 10:12.31 | Iriel | Then I suspect you'll like from the earth to the moon |
| 10:12.38 | Iriel | It's an HBO series, if that makes your search any easier |
| 10:12.47 | Iriel | No idea if there's a EU region version |
| 10:13.05 | Legorol^ | as long as it's *cough* from my local *cough* video store, region doesn't matter |
| 10:14.10 | Legorol^ | yay, the EU beta forums work! |
| 10:14.14 | Legorol^ | that's where i shall be ranting then :) |
| 10:14.39 | Maldivia | uhh, eu beta forums are up ? |
| 10:14.43 | Legorol^ | yup |
| 10:14.47 | Legorol^ | seems like separate server |
| 10:14.54 | Legorol^ | Maldivia: i forgot, which country do you play from? |
| 10:14.57 | Maldivia | DK |
| 10:14.58 | Legorol^ | UK? |
| 10:15.00 | Legorol^ | DK |
| 10:15.00 | Legorol^ | ok |
| 10:15.18 | Legorol^ | so, US people, when you had your auth servers swapped out, did they go overtime with the maintenance? |
| 10:15.20 | Legorol^ | how was it? |
| 10:15.26 | Maldivia | they did |
| 10:15.35 | Legorol^ | for us, they were supposed to have been finished 15 minutes ago |
| 10:15.39 | Maldivia | *grumble* getting login error in the beta forums |
| 10:15.55 | Iriel | My problem was that when I got back, I got D/C'ed on a boat, came back to find myself underground on the other side of the continent, and then couldn't log back in |
| 10:16.05 | Iriel | (Well, I died first, during my underground adventure) |
| 10:17.20 | Iriel | Anyway, sleep |
| 10:17.22 | Iriel | night all |
| 10:18.00 | Legorol^ | Maldivia: lol yeah i noticed too |
| 10:18.14 | Legorol^ | gnight Iriel |
| 10:18.21 | Legorol^ | i guess the beta forums use the same auth servers |
| 10:18.28 | Legorol^ | should've guessed from the lack of rants :) |
| 10:18.50 | Legorol^ | oh, i just noticed a nice little feature about beta forums that i was missing before, but didn't conciously realise: |
| 10:19.08 | Legorol^ | a little arrow next to the Forum Nav dropdown that you can click to go to the forum that is currently selected |
| 10:19.25 | Legorol^ | before, you had to click a different entry in the list to activate it, then come back |
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| 10:21.27 | Legorol^ | lol, did Iriel start a fresh 1.12 Changes thread, or did slouken wipe all the random entries in it :) |
| 10:23.42 | _B | link? |
| 10:25.21 | Elkano | the latter |
| 10:25.23 | wereHamster | It's a fresh thread.. the old one is still there |
| 10:25.31 | Elkano | oh |
| 10:30.08 | Legorol^ | so, i see no more remodelling |
| 10:30.16 | Legorol^ | anyone has any details on what the exact restriction is|? |
| 10:30.58 | Elessdy | they're finally preventing users from using their own models in their own games? |
| 10:31.04 | Elessdy | *clients |
| 10:31.45 | Kaso | i've seen that you can still replace your itemcache.wdb to replace models apparently |
| 10:32.23 | Elessdy | i really don't understand why they would bother to remove that ability. is it explained somewhere? |
| 10:32.56 | Kaso | Why they removed it? cos they've said numorous times they dont want people chaning models perhaps? |
| 10:32.58 | Legorol^ | Elessdy: yes they did explain it in blue posts |
| 10:33.04 | Legorol^ | and it's necessary to remove because it was being exploited |
| 10:33.26 | Kaso | see: http://www.whataboutpp.com/tier3.php for apparent work-around |
| 10:33.32 | Elessdy | it makes sense that someone would eventually determine a way to exploit it. i am curious what they did. |
| 10:33.40 | Legorol^ | very simple things: |
| 10:33.43 | Legorol^ | make WSG flag 10 times bigger |
| 10:33.48 | Legorol^ | so you can see it anywhere from the BG |
| 10:33.51 | Legorol^ | make walls transparent |
| 10:34.05 | Legorol^ | change model/texture for stealthed units |
| 10:34.05 | Elessdy | ah, interesting |
| 10:34.17 | Legorol^ | give big red nose to enemies so you can see them coming from miles away |
| 10:35.06 | Legorol^ | these are mostly things that give you advantage in PvP, but as you can imagine PvP is one of the most competitive aspect of the game, so cheaters will go to any length to gain advantage |
| 10:37.05 | wereHamster | I .like the big red nose.. |
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| 10:40.32 | Kaso | getglobal() isnt a default LUA command? |
| 10:41.26 | wereHamster | no |
| 10:41.35 | Kaso | I never knew that |
| 10:41.41 | Kaso | is there an equilant? |
| 10:42.52 | wereHamster | In LUA you can simply access _G - the global environment table |
| 10:43.11 | Kaso | i can can i ^_- |
| 10:43.23 | wereHamster | getglobal()["foo"] would be _G["foo"] |
| 10:43.31 | Kaso | ah ok cool |
| 10:53.25 | Legorol^ | wereHamster: not exactly |
| 10:53.28 | Legorol^ | _G is not defined |
| 10:53.35 | Legorol^ | what you have however is getfenv(0) |
| 10:53.46 | Legorol^ | which returns a table that has the global environment |
| 10:53.51 | Kaso | hm? _G["stuff"] worked fine. |
| 10:54.01 | Legorol^ | hmm |
| 10:54.33 | Legorol^ | it appears you are right, and i'm talking nonsense |
| 10:54.46 | Legorol^ | getfenv(0) however works in both WoW and normal Lua |
| 10:57.41 | wereHamster | -.- ... I misread getglobal() as getfenv() |
| 10:58.55 | wereHamster | getglobal(var) is just a wrapper around getfenv(0)[var] .. right? |
| 11:02.27 | Legorol^ | yes |
| 11:02.40 | Legorol^ | however, getfenv(0) didn't use to be available |
| 11:02.45 | Legorol^ | getglobal() always was |
| 11:04.09 | Legorol^ | EU announcement: the downtime will be a little longer than expected. No ETA. |
| 11:04.24 | Kaso | -_- |
| 11:04.45 | Kaso | i cant even get the download to start so its a moot point. |
| 11:05.11 | Maldivia | the patch ? |
| 11:05.19 | Kaso | yeh |
| 11:05.32 | Kaso | been stuck on 250kb for ages |
| 11:05.47 | Kaso | my crapp network to blame, ill have to wait for a http mirror to appear |
| 11:06.54 | wereHamster | seems like the tracker is down |
| 11:07.06 | Maldivia | Kaso, you dont have it pre-downloaded? |
| 11:07.38 | Kaso | nope, i disabled the background downloader, it was making my usual crappy lagg, turn to totally unplayable lag. |
| 11:08.19 | Legorol^ | Kaso: noone can download the patch |
| 11:08.28 | Legorol^ | since the auth servers are down, you can't even log in to get started |
| 11:08.28 | Kaso | how sucky |
| 11:08.28 | Maldivia | hmm, don't know if the US files will work, but you can try to put them in the patch folder, and the have the downloader check them, might save you 100MB or so from downloading through the downloader |
| 11:08.47 | Legorol^ | actually.. |
| 11:08.54 | Legorol^ | Kaso: how did you even get the downloader to come up? |
| 11:09.03 | Legorol^ | i haven't even seen a sign of the enGB downloader yet |
| 11:09.14 | Kaso | i had a http link to the downloader eariler |
| 11:09.23 | Legorol^ | could you dig it out? i am very curious.. |
| 11:09.30 | Kaso | sec ill upload it to my space, i forget the link |
| 11:09.35 | Legorol^ | i don't think anyone should've been able to get the enGB downloader yet |
| 11:09.42 | Legorol^ | since you can't get past auth servers, the game client doesn't fetch it |
| 11:09.44 | Legorol^ | how curious |
| 11:09.51 | Legorol^ | no i would need the link |
| 11:09.53 | Kaso | WoW-1.10.2.5302-to-1.11.0.5428-enGB-downloader.exe 737KB :> |
| 11:09.55 | Legorol^ | i don't need the downloader |
| 11:10.10 | Legorol^ | what i'm curious about is how did anyone get hold of it |
| 11:10.21 | Kaso | lemme check my IRC logs |
| 11:10.39 | Kaso | i ive been loged in for a few minutes eariler its not totally down |
| 11:10.40 | Maldivia | Kaso, want to try the US patch files, I can put them up for you |
| 11:11.03 | Maldivia | there's a good change 90% is correct |
| 11:11.13 | Kaso | does the download accept partial differences |
| 11:11.18 | Maldivia | yep |
| 11:11.22 | Kaso | try it then |
| 11:11.32 | Maldivia | the downloader will identify the correct parts, and redownload the wrong parts |
| 11:12.30 | Kaso | Legorol^ : http://users.pandora.be/nitrox/WoW-1.10.2.5302-to-1.11.0.5428-enGB-downloader.exe |
| 11:13.08 | Maldivia | let me just put it on a server, takes a few mins |
| 11:13.29 | wereHamster | the enUS patch torernt is in the aceSVN repo ;) |
| 11:13.33 | wereHamster | .. the enGB, too |
| 11:15.13 | Maldivia | hmm, the conncetion is a tad slow today, only upping with 600k/sec :| |
| 11:15.40 | Kaso | Oh however will do you cope. |
| 11:16.09 | Maldivia | hehe, well at home it's more like 40k/sec :| |
| 11:17.20 | Maldivia | Ok, try http://nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/wow/wow-patch.zip |
| 11:17.56 | _B | I win, installing EU patch now |
| 11:18.10 | Kaso | oh _B ? |
| 11:18.20 | _B | DHT network FTW |
| 11:18.51 | wereHamster | azureus? |
| 11:18.57 | _B | BitComet |
| 11:18.57 | Legorol^ | but how how how... |
| 11:19.02 | Legorol^ | how did people get the downloader.. |
| 11:19.09 | _B | Downloader is useless |
| 11:19.14 | _B | Tracker is broken |
| 11:19.15 | wereHamster | magig.. it's all magic |
| 11:19.16 | Legorol^ | that's not the point, _B |
| 11:19.27 | Legorol^ | someone somewhere had to get the downloader first, to extract the torrent |
| 11:19.29 | Kaso | some people got onto the server legorol. |
| 11:19.29 | s|loup | maldivia en patch? |
| 11:19.38 | Legorol^ | Kaso: that's the part i find mysterious |
| 11:19.44 | Legorol^ | from what i could tell, auth has been down all the time |
| 11:19.52 | Legorol^ | i guess there must've been brief periods when it wasn't |
| 11:19.58 | Maldivia | s|loup: it's the US mpq patch files, testing it they are the same as the GB |
| 11:20.02 | Kaso | i got on for at least 4min about 30mina go |
| 11:20.06 | s|loup | ah ok |
| 11:20.08 | Legorol^ | Kaso: ok |
| 11:20.11 | Legorol^ | that makes more sense |
| 11:20.23 | Legorol^ | btw, i'd not trust exe files from 3rd party sources |
| 11:20.38 | Kaso | I'm a trusting guy. |
| 11:20.41 | Legorol^ | then again, i'm paranoid |
| 11:20.57 | Legorol^ | i'd download the patch itself, |
| 11:21.02 | Legorol^ | then wait for the official downloader |
| 11:21.10 | Legorol^ | and just run the downloader to verify the integrity of the patch |
| 11:21.11 | Maldivia | s|loup: there's a good chance that a lot of the data is correct (personally I'm guessing the 2 partial files are the same for all locals, and it's the final file that differs) |
| 11:21.42 | Legorol^ | Maldivia: isn't that irrelevant though? if he has the downloader, he'd just have to download the same amount either way? |
| 11:21.44 | Legorol^ | or am i missing something |
| 11:21.45 | Maldivia | Legorol: I always download the downloader from the game, and have it verify the downloaded patch |
| 11:21.54 | Legorol^ | yup, that's what i do |
| 11:21.56 | _B | Nub |
| 11:22.18 | _B | Writing model data into "patch.MPQ"... |
| 11:22.24 | _B | 96% - Blizzard Updater |
| 11:22.42 | Maldivia | Legorol: well, considering the downloader is very very slow at the moment, this can speed it up in the end, if you can get 90% of the data this way, then you only need 10% from the downloader |
| 11:22.50 | Legorol^ | ok that's true |
| 11:22.52 | _B | The update was successful. |
| 11:23.06 | Legorol^ | _B: considering that you can't log in at the moment, it's all moot |
| 11:23.16 | Legorol^ | and as soon as i can log in, i can patch as well.. so what's the hurry? |
| 11:23.28 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=none@r43h96.res.gatech.edu) |
| 11:23.33 | _B | Bragging rights |
| 11:23.37 | Legorol^ | i never really understand why people are willing to risk security risks and get the patch from 3rd party sources, |
| 11:23.43 | Legorol^ | when all you gain is maybe 5 minutes |
| 11:23.45 | _B | I didn't use any third party sources |
| 11:23.51 | Maldivia | I'm using the US client, so I never have problems getting the patch, since next day when it's EU patch time, there are numerous site with mirrors, and the US downloader isn't crowded the next day :9 |
| 11:23.52 | Legorol^ | well in that case.. |
| 11:24.17 | Legorol^ | Maldivia: so you do normally get the US patch, rename it, and then let the EU downloader onto it? |
| 11:24.34 | Maldivia | Legorol: no, playing with the US client on EU servers |
| 11:24.38 | Legorol^ | ah |
| 11:24.47 | Legorol^ | that's clever, i should do that :) |
| 11:24.51 | wereHamster | is that possible ? =-O |
| 11:24.53 | Legorol^ | yes |
| 11:24.57 | Legorol^ | by changing realmlist.wtf |
| 11:25.04 | Legorol^ | in fact, there are funnier things you can do |
| 11:25.07 | wereHamster | but not the opther war round.. EU client and US servers |
| 11:25.16 | Maldivia | wereHamster: can be done aswell |
| 11:25.16 | _B | First of all I downloaded the patch manually using 10 threads from 80.239.178.109 which if you query that IP is owned by Blizzard-FR |
| 11:25.17 | Legorol^ | you can get the US client to display quest and other in-game texts in German or French :) |
| 11:25.20 | haste | both are possible |
| 11:25.21 | _B | So how is that third party |
| 11:25.27 | Legorol^ | wereHamster: other way around works too |
| 11:25.29 | Legorol^ | i did it just fine |
| 11:25.30 | haste | the problem is that they release different patches at times in the EU |
| 11:25.39 | wereHamster | is there a difference between enUS and enGB clients? |
| 11:25.49 | Legorol^ | yes |
| 11:25.51 | Maldivia | wereHamster: yes - but only minor |
| 11:25.56 | haste | wereHamster, They release different patches at times |
| 11:25.57 | Legorol^ | hence the different patches, wereHamster |
| 11:26.17 | Maldivia | wereHamster: for instance I see United States / Oceanic, on the realm selection list :9 |
| 11:26.21 | Legorol^ | _B: indeed, that is not third party |
| 11:26.22 | wereHamster | how stupid.. if they don't even localize colour.. |
| 11:26.29 | Legorol^ | i take it you extracted the non-P2P IP from the downloader, |
| 11:26.37 | Legorol^ | and got a multi-session HTTP download manager to get it? |
| 11:26.55 | _B | How can I get the IP for the downloader from the downloader |
| 11:27.02 | Legorol^ | not the IP for the downloader |
| 11:27.09 | Legorol^ | the IP that the downloader gets the patch from |
| 11:27.13 | Legorol^ | when running in non-P2P mode |
| 11:27.18 | _B | You're making 0 sense right now |
| 11:27.32 | Legorol^ | ok, the IP address that you mentioned, 80.239.178.109 |
| 11:27.34 | Legorol^ | how did you get that? |
| 11:27.37 | _B | From the game |
| 11:27.43 | Legorol^ | and what are you using to download from it? |
| 11:27.43 | _B | It tried to connect to that IP to download it |
| 11:27.54 | Maldivia | Legorol: click "Show connections", and you'll see a list of connections. |
| 11:28.01 | _B | But fails because too many people are trying to get it |
| 11:28.01 | wereHamster | did anything in 1.11 break CTRA? |
| 11:28.01 | Legorol^ | Maldivia: yes i know |
| 11:28.04 | Legorol^ | but those are the P2P connections |
| 11:28.07 | Maldivia | Legorol: and if the IPs aren't listed there, then netstat in a prompt |
| 11:28.17 | Legorol^ | yes i am well aware of how to see what IPs you are connecting to |
| 11:28.22 | Maldivia | Legorol: it's easy to see which are players and which as blizzard servers |
| 11:28.23 | _B | netstat is one way, but not what I used ;3 |
| 11:28.30 | Legorol^ | what i was puzzled by is the comment that _B has 10 connections to that IP |
| 11:28.40 | _B | I used FlashGet for that |
| 11:28.48 | Legorol^ | ok, that's what i am asking exactly |
| 11:28.55 | _B | That way I get more than my fair share of bandwidth to pull the file down |
| 11:28.56 | Legorol^ | FlashGet needs an IP |
| 11:29.03 | Legorol^ | an IP taht is willing to server NON-peer-to-peer data |
| 11:29.12 | Legorol^ | my point is: |
| 11:29.20 | _B | Then used WoWTorrentEx.exe to get the torrent out of the downloader |
| 11:29.37 | _B | Then used BitComet's DHT network to query other people who came up with the same idea as me and shared the completed patch data |
| 11:29.46 | Legorol^ | ok, here are my questions: |
| 11:29.53 | Legorol^ | what port is FlashGet using to connect ot the Blizz server? |
| 11:30.00 | Legorol^ | ok here is the point i am trying to make: |
| 11:30.04 | Legorol^ | FlashGet is not a BT client |
| 11:30.11 | _B | I'm not going to spell it out for you any more than I already have |
| 11:30.16 | Legorol^ | wait wait |
| 11:30.24 | Legorol^ | please understand what i am trying to say |
| 11:30.32 | Legorol^ | Blizzard servers serve two types of data: |
| 11:30.37 | Legorol^ | torrent data and plain HTTP |
| 11:30.50 | Legorol^ | my question is, are you getting FlashGet to get the data via HTTP? |
| 11:31.19 | Legorol^ | ok, let me try and explain in more detail |
| 11:31.27 | Legorol^ | you have found a Blizzard IP, great, no problem so far, i understand that |
| 11:31.28 | _B | FlashGet doesn't support torrents |
| 11:31.31 | Legorol^ | exactly |
| 11:31.36 | Legorol^ | that is exactly my point as well |
| 11:31.40 | Legorol^ | you gave this IP to FlashGet |
| 11:31.51 | Legorol^ | what is the URL you gave to FlashGet? |
| 11:32.01 | _B | Find it out yourself |
| 11:32.12 | Legorol^ | why are you being so mean, i am just trying to understand what you did |
| 11:32.19 | Legorol^ | FlashGet needs a URL, not just an IP |
| 11:32.28 | _B | What's the point |
| 11:32.29 | _B | <Legorol^> when all you gain is maybe 5 minutes |
| 11:32.35 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 11:32.39 | Legorol^ | i am very curious about technology and methods |
| 11:32.43 | Legorol^ | i don't care about how soon i get the patch |
| 11:32.52 | Legorol^ | that's the point |
| 11:32.59 | _B | Well you should get Ethereal if you want to be pro |
| 11:33.03 | Legorol^ | i do have it |
| 11:33.05 | Legorol^ | and packetyzer |
| 11:33.11 | Legorol^ | so i can snoop on the URL the downloader is querying |
| 11:33.17 | Legorol^ | i am well aware of what the downloader does |
| 11:33.18 | wereHamster | did 1.11 change something that makes older versions of CTRA non-compatible? |
| 11:33.26 | Legorol^ | what i am trying to etablish is whether you found out anything i didn't know before |
| 11:34.09 | Legorol^ | I am aware that the downloader can run in two modes: p2p and non-p2p |
| 11:34.20 | Legorol^ | I am aware that if you specify non-p2p, it contacts a Blizzard server and gets the patch via plain HTTP |
| 11:34.31 | Legorol^ | i am also aware that you can snoop this URL using ethereal |
| 11:34.39 | Legorol^ | I am trying to establish if this is what you did |
| 11:34.44 | Legorol^ | or if you found a different method |
| 11:35.12 | Legorol^ | because what Maldivia was talking about is checking IPs that you are connected to within the downloader |
| 11:35.15 | Legorol^ | those are P2P connections |
| 11:35.28 | Legorol^ | so there is no guarantee whatsoever that those IPs can be used for HTTP download |
| 11:35.48 | Legorol^ | ok i see you gave up on me |
| 11:35.49 | Maldivia | Legorol: if you look in the downloader, you'll notice peer listed as "Direct HTTP Download" |
| 11:36.02 | Legorol^ | Maldivia: ok where, i haven't seen that one before |
| 11:36.11 | Legorol^ | i must've missed it |
| 11:36.20 | _B | http://wiki.bitcomet.com/help/DHT_Network_in_BitComet |
| 11:36.22 | Maldivia | Legorol: sometimes you connect to it, sometimes you doesn't |
| 11:36.30 | Legorol^ | right |
| 11:36.42 | _B | What boss is this by the way: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/screenshots/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=636&Set=0 |
| 11:36.47 | _B | I can't find it on thottbot |
| 11:37.07 | Maldivia | _B: Immol'thar ? |
| 11:37.08 | Legorol^ | _B: i am not curious about DHT |
| 11:37.12 | Legorol^ | that's irrelevant for what i'm asking |
| 11:37.32 | Maldivia | _B: the one in the prison in Dire Maul |
| 11:37.44 | Legorol^ | Maldivia: right, so what i was trying to get _B to explain is this: when you *don't* see a direct HTTP download in the downloader, how do you get the IP of the HTTP server |
| 11:37.46 | _B | I only ever went to Dire Maul once |
| 11:37.59 | Legorol^ | as i was saying, what i would've done is disable P2P in the downloader, and then snoop on its conenction |
| 11:38.07 | Legorol^ | but _B is unwilling to tell me if that's what he has done or not |
| 11:38.21 | Legorol^ | and if not, what did he do |
| 11:38.21 | _B | Legorol: you seem grossly confused |
| 11:38.21 | Maldivia | Legorol: you disable the p2p part of the downloader, then it pops up (when you get a slot) |
| 11:38.28 | _B | And I have no idea what you're even talking about any more either |
| 11:38.36 | Legorol^ | _B: I am not confused at all |
| 11:38.39 | Legorol^ | i am asking questions |
| 11:38.42 | Legorol^ | and you are not answering |
| 11:38.49 | Legorol^ | if i am confused according to you, |
| 11:38.50 | _B | You fail to make any sort of distinction between aquiring downloaders, patchers, patches or whatever |
| 11:38.51 | Legorol^ | then help me out here |
| 11:38.55 | Legorol^ | no i am not |
| 11:39.01 | Legorol^ | the downloader is a P2P client |
| 11:39.07 | _B | Yes well done |
| 11:39.08 | Legorol^ | the patch is the data it downloads |
| 11:39.15 | Legorol^ | the downloader can operate in two modes: |
| 11:39.20 | Legorol^ | P2P and non-P2P |
| 11:39.24 | _B | I didn't even USE the downloader |
| 11:39.30 | _B | Apart from to get the torrent data out of it |
| 11:39.39 | Legorol^ | ok, then that's what i am asking |
| 11:39.42 | _B | Downloader is useless because the tracker is down |
| 11:39.47 | zespri | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GameTooltip_SetBagItem seems to return wrong information about repair cost |
| 11:39.48 | Legorol^ | you got the torrent data out, then what |
| 11:39.57 | Legorol^ | did you give it to a torrent software? |
| 11:40.02 | Legorol^ | if not, what did you do with it? |
| 11:40.09 | _B | I have told you twice already |
| 11:40.13 | _B | http://wiki.bitcomet.com/help/DHT_Network_in_BitComet |
| 11:40.42 | _B | In fact I think that makes a fourth time |
| 11:41.09 | zespri | This is really bizare. When I mouse over an item the cost is 1 silver and 2 coppers and SetBagItem returns 113 |
| 11:41.17 | zespri | I have no explanation for this behaviour |
| 11:41.19 | Legorol^ | so you fed the torrent you extracted to BitComet? |
| 11:41.27 | Legorol^ | where does FleshGet come into this? |
| 11:42.51 | Maldivia | Legorol: he got the http information from the downloader, downloaded it using flashGet, and is now sharing it via the torrent over DHT |
| 11:43.47 | Maldivia | zespri: hmm, 10% discount (1s13c - 10% = 1s 2c) |
| 11:43.58 | Legorol^ | Maldivia: that contradicts to what _B said |
| 11:44.02 | Legorol^ | he said he didn't use the downloader |
| 11:44.15 | Legorol^ | _B: I didn't even USE the downloader |
| 11:44.27 | Legorol^ | that's why i still don't get it |
| 11:44.28 | zespri | Maldivia, brilliant! thanks |
| 11:44.41 | Maldivia | zespri: well, just a guess :) |
| 11:44.43 | Legorol^ | _B got hold of the downloader, i understand that part |
| 11:44.51 | Legorol^ | he extracted the torrent from it, i understand that too |
| 11:45.00 | Legorol^ | he used that torrent in conjunction with BitTorrent, i get that too |
| 11:45.05 | zespri | maldivia looks like the right guess |
| 11:45.12 | Legorol^ | where does FlashGet and the 10 connections to Blizzard's server come into this? |
| 11:45.18 | Legorol^ | that's the bit i am missing |
| 11:45.23 | _B | lol |
| 11:45.32 | _B | That's all I'm going to say at this point, just lol |
| 11:45.46 | Legorol^ | _B: i would really appreciate it if you clarified this for me |
| 11:46.06 | Legorol^ | as others will attest, I am technically very competent and very helpful person, but I do like to get to the bottom of things |
| 11:46.09 | _B | This is fucking IRC, not a spoken conversation. I don't see why I should have to repeat myself when you can just scroll up |
| 11:46.10 | Legorol^ | please help me out |
| 11:46.18 | Legorol^ | _B: i did scroll up |
| 11:46.22 | Legorol^ | and read everything you said, twice |
| 11:46.32 | Legorol^ | i am asking for clarification because it wasn't enough |
| 11:46.43 | Legorol^ | ok, answer this for me: |
| 11:46.52 | Legorol^ | did you use FleshGet to get the *downloader* or the *patch* |
| 11:46.59 | Legorol^ | or both |
| 11:47.23 | Legorol^ | and there is no need to use swear words |
| 11:47.34 | Legorol^ | just because I don't have a clear picture yet |
| 11:47.54 | _B | Downloader, obviously |
| 11:48.13 | Legorol^ | ok, let me quote you: |
| 11:48.14 | Legorol^ | _B: First of all I downloaded the patch manually using 10 threads from 80.239.178.109 which if you query that IP is owned by Blizzard-FR |
| 11:48.23 | Legorol^ | this is what was confusing me |
| 11:48.28 | Legorol^ | you use the word "patch" in that statement |
| 11:48.37 | Legorol^ | so you meant "downloader" there |
| 11:48.52 | krka|work | w00 go lego! pwnage |
| 11:48.58 | _B | That would be a mistake if it wasn't for the fact that at that time I had no itention of getting into specifics, so to keep thinks understandable I just generalised the entire thing as 'patch' |
| 11:49.00 | Legorol^ | as you can see, your statement wasn't 100% accurate, so it supplied incorrect information and hence led to the confusion |
| 11:49.15 | Legorol^ | generalising without being exact doesn't make things simple |
| 11:49.19 | Legorol^ | it confuses them, as you can see |
| 11:49.35 | _B | But that statement was prior to any detailed explanation |
| 11:49.45 | _B | And thus was not part of the portfolio of explanation |
| 11:49.45 | Legorol^ | as you yourself tried to poke me, there is distinction between downloader and patch data |
| 11:49.49 | Legorol^ | you should've made that distinction yourself |
| 11:50.01 | Legorol^ | ok, but then later when you were explaining, why didn't you clarify it |
| 11:50.10 | Legorol^ | seeing that i had clearly been misled by your original statement |
| 11:50.20 | wereHamster | _B, but then you have no right to tell us 'scroll up, I already said everything' .. just MHO |
| 11:50.27 | Legorol^ | i agree |
| 11:50.34 | Legorol^ | when you did, i went back and read that line twice |
| 11:50.36 | Legorol^ | it said "patch" |
| 11:50.42 | Legorol^ | i tried to work based on that information |
| 11:51.43 | Legorol^ | Unfortunatey, I have a habit of taking everything people say literally and exactly |
| 11:52.05 | Legorol^ | Seeing that we are discussing technical details, I think that's understandable though |
| 11:52.13 | MoonWolf | i agree there. |
| 11:52.44 | Legorol^ | anyways, now that it's all cleared up, thanks for your explanation |
| 11:53.09 | Legorol^ | in the future though, i'd appreciate it if you didn't call me "confused" and "making zero sense" when you caused the confusion yourself |
| 11:53.47 | Legorol^ | Plus, as everyone else here can attest, my technical knowledge is usually pretty good. So usually (but not always), if I'm confused, it's not because I'm a n00b, but because I had incorrect information. |
| 11:54.00 | Legorol^ | then again, sometimes i just simply get confused :) |
| 11:55.55 | MoonWolf | does it matter ? |
| 11:55.58 | MoonWolf | he can read up :P |
| 11:56.33 | Legorol^ | hehe |
| 11:56.44 | wereHamster | using the enUS patch as the base for enGB doesn't work.. at least with azureus.. it completely ignores wow-final.mpq and wow-partial-2.mpq |
| 11:56.58 | Legorol^ | wereHamster: that's because the torrent is for the full patch |
| 11:57.06 | Legorol^ | you would need to use the blizz downloader |
| 11:57.14 | Legorol^ | which is aware that it needs to grab some of the data from those files |
| 11:57.27 | Legorol^ | oh, and you'd have to place those two files into World of Warcraft\wow-patch |
| 11:57.36 | Legorol^ | the background downloader makes a folder with that name |
| 11:57.39 | Legorol^ | and puts them there |
| 11:57.45 | Legorol^ | so that's where the blizz downloader will probably expect them |
| 11:59.00 | Legorol^ | additionally: on my computer, the two files are named wow-partial-1.mpq (100 Mb) and wow-partial-2.mpq (30 Mb) |
| 11:59.05 | Legorol^ | in case that helps |
| 11:59.08 | _B | The background downloader just saves it to the WoW game root |
| 11:59.21 | _B | It's incidental that "wow-patch" happens to be a folder embedded into the torrent description |
| 11:59.31 | Legorol^ | _B: that statement directly contradicts with what i have on my computer |
| 11:59.45 | Legorol^ | i have only run the background downloader, over the past week, and it saved them in a folder named wow-patch |
| 11:59.46 | _B | Legorol: I don't give a shit what it contradicts |
| 11:59.52 | Legorol^ | please don't use that language with me |
| 12:00.08 | krka|work | yeah, english sux :( |
| 12:00.17 | Legorol^ | exactly, i prefer Japanese |
| 12:00.56 | Legorol^ | _B: i would also like you to notice that i didn't say you were incorrect about the torrent |
| 12:01.02 | Legorol^ | all i said is what i have on my computer |
| 12:01.18 | Legorol^ | unlike you, i am being specific and giving out as much information as i have, to help out wereHamster |
| 12:02.12 | MoonWolf | Legorol ,nothing negative on you, but man, you should win some kind of monologue award. |
| 12:02.49 | MoonWolf | 5 lines of legorol^ one line someone else 4 lines lego |
| 12:02.49 | MoonWolf | etc |
| 12:03.07 | Legorol^ | hehe thanks, MoonWolf |
| 12:03.19 | Legorol^ | i'm waiting on something atm with nothing better to do :) |
| 12:03.24 | Legorol^ | but if that's a hint, i will shut up |
| 12:03.28 | MoonWolf | its not |
| 12:03.35 | MoonWolf | yust it kinda stood out. |
| 12:04.15 | Elkano | damn... 1 block to go :/ |
| 12:05.49 | Legorol^ | btw, I wanted to elaborate on the part about the downloader |
| 12:06.02 | Legorol^ | the Blizzard downloader, as i am sure you guys know, has an option to turn off p2p mode |
| 12:06.26 | Legorol^ | when you do that, then it contacts a Blizzard server and attempts to download the patch data via plain HTTP |
| 12:06.39 | Maldivia | yes, and it downloads the patch from a list of 5-6 http urls, embedded in the downloader |
| 12:06.40 | Legorol^ | the URL used for this purpose is directly embedded in the downloader |
| 12:06.50 | Legorol^ | right |
| 12:06.59 | MoonWolf | but those are even more hosed then the p2p is right now I think. |
| 12:07.14 | Elkano | Legorol^, it will also do so when p2p is active |
| 12:07.24 | Legorol^ | so what I was trying to say is that, would it theoretically be possible to get this URL, feed it to a download manager, and let the download manager open up multiple connections |
| 12:07.35 | wereHamster | I'm d/l'ing with 300K/s .. using bittorrent |
| 12:07.36 | Maldivia | *cough* wget -U "Blizzard Web Client" http:/7.... ? :) |
| 12:07.37 | Legorol^ | Elkano: ok i didn't know that |
| 12:08.00 | Elkano | they will be listed as HTTP Direct Download |
| 12:08.06 | Legorol^ | right |
| 12:08.13 | Legorol^ | i have never seen that one come up, interesting to know |
| 12:10.19 | Legorol^ | well, at least i am getting the downloader now :) |
| 12:12.16 | _B | I can log in, but no realms are up yet |
| 12:13.07 | krka|work | would be pretty nice if blizzard just released it to various torrent sites first :) |
| 12:13.26 | Legorol^ | which they probably will never do |
| 12:13.29 | wereHamster | TPB :) |
| 12:14.07 | Legorol^ | i don't think they will ever officially support any torrents other than their downloader |
| 12:14.10 | _B | They should just distribute the .torrent instead of their torrent-with-an-inadequate-client-taped-over-the-top bollocks |
| 12:14.25 | _B | Would drastically reduce traffic |
| 12:14.34 | Legorol^ | you have to consider the vast majority of players who dont' even know what a torrent is |
| 12:14.47 | _B | That's the only reason they insist on wrapped it in a client |
| 12:14.47 | MoonWolf | _b and confuse 80% of the userbase with complicated stuff ? |
| 12:14.48 | Legorol^ | you are computer savvy, but most players aren't |
| 12:15.17 | Legorol^ | imo the downloader is fine as it is, the technically savvy will get the torrent out of it and be happy |
| 12:15.44 | MoonWolf | there is a difference bewteen, techincal can use torrents |
| 12:15.45 | MoonWolf | and |
| 12:15.59 | MoonWolf | is able to get resource files out of binaries. |
| 12:16.07 | Legorol^ | that's true |
| 12:16.14 | _B | It's not in the resource section |
| 12:16.32 | _B | They didn't make it that easy |
| 12:16.39 | MoonWolf | thats yust plain silly |
| 12:16.43 | MoonWolf | right |
| 12:16.50 | Legorol^ | MoonWolf: but i think someone who knows what a bittorrent is and what to do with a torrent file will be able to download and use a tool that extracts the torrent |
| 12:16.56 | Legorol^ | even if they wouldn't be able to code one |
| 12:16.58 | MoonWolf | right. |
| 12:17.00 | MoonWolf | that is true. |
| 12:23.32 | _B | They've added a Spanish language tab |
| 12:23.39 | _B | In the realm list |
| 12:24.46 | krka|work | i think they should atleast provide the option of using a custom torrent client |
| 12:24.46 | Kaso | how do you get the downloader to verify files? |
| 12:24.57 | krka|work | such as, just giving a plain torrent url |
| 12:25.03 | krka|work | i bet it would be seeded much better |
| 12:25.21 | _B | Well yeah because the downloader quits as soon as you have 100% |
| 12:25.23 | Legorol^ | Kaso: you just run it |
| 12:25.33 | Kaso | hokay |
| 12:25.36 | Legorol^ | if you have a file with the name of the patch, it will first verify existing data |
| 12:26.12 | _B | Except that it will do it 10x slower than a well written client |
| 12:26.42 | krka|work | torrentflux FTW! |
| 12:28.36 | Legorol^ | i wonder why Blizzard allows connections to the tracker from anything other than its downloader |
| 12:28.46 | Legorol^ | i know that it could be faked anyway, but at least they could try and check |
| 12:36.55 | MoonWolf | why refuse those connections legorol? what would be the gain ? |
| 12:38.02 | wereHamster | What would be the loss? |
| 12:39.25 | MoonWolf | nothing, but he wants to change the current situation so thats not the correct question IMHO. |
| 12:39.30 | Legorol^ | well i don't think they like the idea of people using 3rd party torrent clients |
| 12:39.42 | Legorol^ | here is the way i think about it: |
| 12:40.04 | Legorol^ | whilst people complain about the downloader being much slower than other torrent clients, i am not convinced that's because Blizzard is incompetent |
| 12:40.04 | Elkano | seeing the new deDE locals in the patch notes, anyone knows if the demo client is a full client? |
| 12:40.20 | Legorol^ | Elkano: the demo client should bbe a full client |
| 12:40.27 | MoonWolf | the client is full |
| 12:40.30 | Legorol^ | what patch notes? |
| 12:40.30 | MoonWolf | the account is limited. |
| 12:40.41 | Elkano | has anyone leaked the urls for the demo client? |
| 12:40.42 | Legorol^ | sorry i mean what deDE locals in the patch notes? |
| 12:40.55 | Legorol^ | Elkano: can't you just register for free? |
| 12:41.10 | Legorol^ | anyway, about the downloader: |
| 12:41.24 | Legorol^ | in the past the downloader did have issues, for example it didn't handle upload capping very smartly |
| 12:41.43 | Legorol^ | so it would max out your upload bandwidth and hence choke your download too |
| 12:41.46 | Legorol^ | but they sorted that |
| 12:42.03 | Legorol^ | What I think however is that they are deliberately trying to balance download/upload ratio more than with a regular client |
| 12:42.15 | Legorol^ | Exactly as _B said, the downloader finishes as soon as you hit 100% |
| 12:42.20 | Legorol^ | so you'd want to keep it open longer |
| 12:42.31 | Legorol^ | with a regular BT client, you can get huge downloads with little upload |
| 12:42.42 | Legorol^ | imagine that people could do that: get the download done quickly, then close it |
| 12:42.56 | Legorol^ | their client forces you to share more than a regular client |
| 12:43.21 | Legorol^ | However, this might just be me with a conspiracty theory, and in fact they are simply incompetent :) |
| 12:49.36 | Legorol^ | hm, someone good with buffs could clarify something for me: |
| 12:49.46 | Legorol^ | buffIndex, untilCancelled = GetPlayerBuff(buffId, buffFilter); |
| 12:49.55 | Legorol^ | if i specify a filter, e.g. "HELPFUL", |
| 12:50.26 | Legorol^ | do the buffIds still run continuously? |
| 12:50.39 | Legorol^ | e.g. if i have both harmful and helpful buffs, which were applied alternately, |
| 12:50.51 | Elkano | Legorol, this is the localization part for deDE patch notes: http://ace.pastebin.com/723201 |
| 12:51.10 | Legorol^ | would i need to skip some buffIds when iterating the helpful ones? |
| 12:52.34 | zenzelezz | is something up with EU authentication? I'd check the forum but it doesn't seem to load |
| 12:53.51 | Legorol^ | zenzelezz: yes |
| 12:53.58 | Legorol^ | they've upgraded the auth servers with this maintenance |
| 12:54.06 | Legorol^ | they don't seem to be fully functioning yet |
| 12:54.12 | Legorol^ | you can occasionally log in, but it's not always on |
| 12:54.23 | Legorol^ | Blizzard said no ETA for when it will be fully working |
| 12:54.24 | zenzelezz | funky |
| 12:54.38 | Legorol^ | forums are connected to it |
| 13:02.42 | zenzelezz | wish WoW would check for a patch before it tried logging in... but for now FileFront seems to work (zomg) |
| 13:03.48 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: it does |
| 13:04.15 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: depends what you mean by logging in... I mean before doing anything login-related, like authenticating |
| 13:04.28 | zenzelezz | but mentioning FileFront seems to have changed its mind and now it works for me |
| 13:04.31 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: you can enter bogus username and password, and it will notice the version mismatch before the wrong auth |
| 13:04.52 | zenzelezz | how come it doesn't notice it with a real username and password? |
| 13:05.27 | Maldivia | well, it's the auth server that validates the version, if it can't connect to the server, then you're in trouble :9 |
| 13:05.54 | zenzelezz | that what I was saying :) But it decided to work after all |
| 13:06.04 | Maldivia | the order is something like: connect to auth server, validate version, validate login, validate warden, show realm list, disconnect from auth server |
| 13:06.51 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 13:16.24 | Kaso | i should comment my code more -_- |
| 13:17.24 | zenzelezz | I always say that the day after |
| 13:17.44 | Mikk1 | hehe |
| 13:17.51 | Kaso | when you're sitting staring at code thinking "what the hell does this do?" |
| 13:19.55 | zenzelezz | but when you coded it, it was "duh, this is obvious" |
| 13:20.49 | krka|work | it was hard to write, it should be hard to read |
| 13:21.03 | End | the code frobs the internal flux capacitor to maximum logarithmic harmony so that the Reese's Pieces algorithm can utilize full yarp coefficient |
| 13:23.37 | Maldivia | End: that explains a lot... |
| 13:24.03 | End | it does, doesn't it? |
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| 13:30.07 | Kaso | Anyone on EU have the partial files and can md5 em? |
| 13:31.04 | Elkano | deDE or enGB? |
| 13:31.08 | Kaso | GB |
| 13:31.18 | Elkano | sorry, no can do |
| 13:31.24 | Kaso | ok |
| 13:31.40 | Kaso | I've got myself into a real muddle i cant work out what i have what i dont and what i need |
| 13:31.41 | zenzelezz | getting a blank server list o_O |
| 13:31.45 | Kaso | its all so terbbily confusing |
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| 13:32.35 | zenzelezz | but then again it looks like that could be because nothing's up yet |
| 13:39.11 | Mikk1 | Bah. Why am I even trying to cheat the blizzard downloader out of its work. I'm in no hurry. |
| 13:39.23 | Mikk1 | Haven't bloody played for over a month anyway =P |
| 13:39.29 | Kaso | ha ha |
| 13:42.59 | Legorol^ | Kaso: i can MD5 them for you |
| 13:43.07 | Kaso | tis alright got some already |
| 13:43.10 | Legorol^ | i am part-way through the download using the downloader, and so far i see 4 files: |
| 13:43.14 | Legorol^ | WoW\wow-patch.mpq |
| 13:43.19 | Legorol^ | WoW\wow-patch\wow-final.mpq |
| 13:43.25 | Legorol^ | WoW\wow-patch\wow-partial-1.mpq |
| 13:43.29 | Legorol^ | WoW\wow-patch\wow-partial-2.mpq |
| 13:43.39 | Legorol^ | out of these, the last 2 were there before today |
| 13:43.46 | Kaso | are you enGB ? |
| 13:43.48 | Legorol^ | yes |
| 13:44.01 | Legorol^ | the first one has a constant size of about 1.3Mb and appeared today |
| 13:44.14 | Legorol^ | the second one is a few Mb and grows as the downloader gets more stuff |
| 13:44.33 | MoonWolf | i dont know what path.mpq is |
| 13:44.45 | MoonWolf | the partials were downloaded by the backgroud and are mostly artwork sounds etc |
| 13:44.48 | Legorol^ | is that a typo, MoonWolf? |
| 13:44.48 | _B | Like your level of incompetence grows as the day gets on? |
| 13:44.54 | MoonWolf | the final is mostly code. |
| 13:44.57 | MoonWolf | patch.mpq. |
| 13:45.00 | MoonWolf | yes typo. |
| 13:45.13 | Legorol^ | i imagine that one is the one that the client downloaded, and extracted the downloader out from that |
| 13:45.16 | Legorol^ | but i can check that |
| 13:45.40 | Legorol^ | _B: thank you for that comment, i think that was the last one i needed |
| 13:45.49 | _B | I see files. Some of them have bytes in. Some of them have more. Some of them are growing. Some are constant. |
| 13:46.03 | Legorol^ | look, debating technical points is one thing |
| 13:46.06 | Legorol^ | insulting other people is another |
| 13:46.16 | _B | You insult yourself |
| 13:46.21 | Legorol^ | when they wake up, i will be asking the ops here to deal with you |
| 13:46.25 | Legorol^ | that's all i can say |
| 13:47.02 | _B | That's presumably why you are not one eh, chap |
| 13:48.06 | MoonWolf | _B, the reason legorol is no op is because he is not a mod on wowi. |
| 13:48.46 | End | indeed, afaik, all mods on wowi are ops and all ops are mods on wowi |
| 13:48.52 | MoonWolf | no other reason. |
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| 13:49.36 | Tain | The rest of us are mostly members of the human race. Then there's _B... |
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| 13:49.44 | MoonWolf | indeed, and mods for wowi are not selected because they act nice. |
| 13:49.50 | MoonWolf | Tain, hehe. |
| 13:50.53 | Legorol^ | Tain: are you implying the ops aren't human ;-) |
| 13:51.05 | Legorol^ | you'd be right about ChanServ, but the rest... |
| 13:51.11 | End | lol |
| 13:51.17 | krka|work | wow _B you really are an ass aren't you :/ |
| 13:51.21 | End | ok, I don't think ChanServ is a mod on wowi |
| 13:51.28 | MoonWolf | Cairenn is mostly human, but i have my doubts about dolby. |
| 13:51.55 | End | :P |
| 13:55.23 | End | hmmmmm, that's interesting, I didn't know about func{tablejunk=blah} or func"blah" (or any variations of how you could create a string) until now |
| 13:55.58 | End | maybe I should do less avoiding of documentation |
| 13:56.01 | Legorol^ | yeah, useful |
| 13:56.16 | Legorol^ | i meant the various ways of calling the function, not the doc part ;-) |
| 13:56.25 | End | hehe |
| 13:57.14 | krka|work | func"blah" creates a string? |
| 13:57.20 | krka|work | am i missing something? : |
| 13:57.23 | End | it's basically func("blah") |
| 13:57.37 | krka|work | yeah, i know that part |
| 13:57.48 | End | you can do func[[blah]] |
| 13:57.49 | End | as well |
| 13:57.53 | krka|work | yup |
| 13:58.25 | End | that's where my "or any variations of how you could create a string" came from |
| 13:58.34 | krka|work | i thought you could only make strings with 'bla', "bla", [[bla]] and {bla = whatever} |
| 13:59.49 | Legorol^ | krka, any time you have a string literal in code, it forces Lua to add that string to its global string pool |
| 13:59.58 | Legorol^ | so func"string" would also "create" one in that sense |
| 14:00.07 | Legorol^ | just like func("string") would |
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| 14:00.39 | krka|work | i know |
| 14:00.47 | krka|work | but it's not the function call that does it |
| 14:00.50 | krka|work | it's the " |
| 14:01.36 | Legorol^ | yeah |
| 14:02.36 | _B | http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?kZVxG0McZbAGco0tVo | Win or fail? |
| 14:02.37 | End | well, I was refering to the fact that you could do funcSOMESTRINGHERE and SOMESTRINGHERE would be any possible method for specifying a string |
| 14:02.56 | Wobin | Anyone got a good poison buying/making addon? |
| 14:03.29 | Wobin | ~17*3 |
| 14:03.30 | purl | 51 |
| 14:03.50 | Tain | I use Poison Master, Wobin, but it's not exactly great. It doesn't handle buying multiple types of potion reagents well. |
| 14:04.05 | Tain | But if you do one type of poison at a time it works fine for me. |
| 14:04.41 | Wobin | hm, maybe I should write one then |
| 14:05.20 | Wobin | PS yay for the new stacking |
| 14:07.59 | zenzelezz | were the US servers down past the initial estimated downtime too? |
| 14:09.39 | Legorol^ | not this time, zenzelezz |
| 14:09.46 | Legorol^ | but they were when US got the auth. upgrade |
| 14:09.53 | Legorol^ | US got it back in May I think |
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| 14:11.32 | zenzelezz | forums all of a sudden responded, but still not getting a server list |
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| 14:15.39 | Kirkburn | Phew .... doing the housework when it's almost 30 is pretty tiring (and probably pretty silly) :/ |
| 14:22.42 | Kirkburn | Dammit ... why can a first patch release of ClearFont never work :( http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8156/tradeskilltext8nz.jpg |
| 14:23.15 | Kirkburn | Anyone got any ideas why that might happen? |
| 14:23.24 | Kaso | ah! its clearfont thats causing that? |
| 14:23.29 | Kirkburn | Seems so |
| 14:23.55 | Kirkburn | Except I can't get online to test yet :/ |
| 14:24.45 | Kaso | ive seen people complaing about the same issue but on theyre rep window |
| 14:24.45 | zenzelezz | could it be too big? |
| 14:24.53 | zenzelezz | I want to play >.< |
| 14:25.16 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 14:25.32 | Kirkburn | Yeah, my guess is it's going outside the bounds of the line and is changed to a ... |
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| 14:31.15 | Kaso | mm splitty goodness. |
| 14:31.15 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 14:31.50 | Kirkburn | Hmm, for the patch I'm getting no response from the tracker :/ |
| 14:32.03 | Kaso | its fucked. |
| 14:32.30 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: same, I got it from FileFront instead |
| 14:32.36 | Kaso | alot of people are downloading the various parts from mirrors, if you like to live dangorously like that. |
| 14:33.08 | Kirkburn | Also, the Blizzard site is crashing my browser :) |
| 14:33.24 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 14:38.59 | zenzelezz | tracker not responding seems to be a recurring theme on the forum |
| 14:41.14 | Kirkburn | I can't find any useful mirrors ... |
| 14:41.14 | Kirkburn | ] |
| 14:41.29 | Kaso | hold on a moment |
| 14:41.32 | zenzelezz | the FileFront one linked on WoWWiki worked for me |
| 14:41.38 | Kirkburn | By useful I mean fast |
| 14:41.48 | Kirkburn | Can't find enGB on filefront |
| 14:41.49 | zenzelezz | was a steady 160 kbyte/sec |
| 14:42.20 | zenzelezz | http://files.filefront.com/WoW_1102___111_EU_enGB/;5172577;;/fileinfo.html |
| 14:42.20 | Kaso | Hmm, all the ones i used are down now |
| 14:42.53 | Kirkburn | I've found one with the small part I need :) |
| 14:43.18 | Kaso | wow-partial-1.MPQ 5e54013bcddfd463f904339aefc5dda1 |
| 14:43.18 | Kaso | wow-partial-2.MPQ 011e63b25c3648b3942082b38dd531e8 |
| 14:43.18 | Kaso | wow-patch-backup.MPQ bc0ddec686c5ec139ed336faea6880f9 |
| 14:43.28 | Kaso | in case you need to verify |
| 14:43.28 | zenzelezz | not much use without servers though |
| 14:46.27 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 14:46.48 | Kirkburn | How can I check the hash of a file? |
| 14:47.15 | Kirkburn | (or whatever the correct term is ... MD5 is a hash?) |
| 14:47.35 | Kaso | md5 hash yeh, just search google for Windows MD5 or something |
| 14:47.38 | zenzelezz | sounds familiar, though I also often just hear MD5 sum |
| 14:48.27 | Ktron|zzz | pastebin is moving nearly as fast as molasses for me right now... that a reality for most people? |
| 14:49.30 | Tain | A lot of people have complained about that in the last few days, Ktron. |
| 14:49.49 | Ktron | Tain, ah, I was wondering |
| 14:49.59 | Tain | It may be entirely coincidence but I also noticed a few days ago that google now searches pastebin which I didn't remember happening before. |
| 14:50.29 | zenzelezz | pastebin loaded fast for me when I didn't click a post... when I tried to click a post then it was very slow |
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| 14:51.44 | Kirkburn | Yay for clicking the wrong close button :P |
| 14:54.47 | Ktron | heh, well... I'll use pastecode then for now-- http://wow.pastecode.com/547 this is a lua file, I'm 95% sure I have the write toc to load it, but I get errors about arg* not being recognized... I know I must be something major wrong, but I'm not postive what-- not much for documentation on writing lua files w/o an xml one that use events |
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| 14:56.35 | Mikk1 | WoWWiki WoW API page updated with everything from Iriel's forum post. |
| 14:56.41 | Mikk1 | ^^ |
| 14:57.25 | Kirkburn | cool :D |
| 14:58.22 | Ktron | ah well, I guess I'll try looking for some other addons to reference |
| 15:03.36 | zenzelezz | I wonder what sort of problems they ran into with the EU servers |
| 15:04.54 | Kirkburn | New authentication stuff tofay too |
| 15:04.59 | Kirkburn | s/tofay/today/ |
| 15:05.14 | zenzelezz | but that part seems to work; authentication is lightning fast for me |
| 15:05.19 | zenzelezz | just no servers online =D |
| 15:05.20 | Kirkburn | cool :D |
| 15:05.29 | Ktron | gah |
| 15:05.33 | Kirkburn | notsocool :B |
| 15:05.37 | Ktron | ~lart world of warcraft |
| 15:05.46 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 15:06.07 | Kaso | I wonder if the auth will survive the "omg severs up" rush with its new update. |
| 15:06.26 | zenzelezz | that's a good question |
| 15:08.14 | Kirkburn | Wow, looking at the foums is so disheartening ... "zomg you RUINED my day! I demand compensation!" |
| 15:08.41 | Kirkburn | We're gonna get a free day, I should think that's obvious by now :/ |
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| 15:13.03 | Mikk1 | gifv fewer idiots @ forums kplzthxbai |
| 15:13.13 | Mikk1 | "you ruined my day" indeed. morons. |
| 15:14.16 | Ktron | Alright, more general... anyone familiar with getting variables from events? |
| 15:15.38 | Kaso | i've always passed the args, even though people shout at me saying you dont need to. |
| 15:17.24 | Mikk1 | Ktron: just access arg1,arg2,arg3 etc from inside the event handler |
| 15:17.34 | Mikk1 | you don't need to pass them as function arguments if you don't want to |
| 15:17.38 | Mikk1 | but doing so is perfectly ok too |
| 15:18.02 | Ktron | Then I must have my event handler set up incorrectly |
| 15:18.17 | Mikk1 | "event", "arg1", "arg2" etc are globals |
| 15:18.34 | Mikk1 | pastebin it? |
| 15:18.43 | Kirkburn | Genius ... just looking at a survey. Age options are 16-18, 18-21, 21 and over. So, er, what do those aged 18 or 21 put? |
| 15:19.06 | Mikk1 | Add ".0000" after the integers =) |
| 15:19.32 | Tain | If you'd rather be with 18 year olds and you're 21 then pick 18-21. |
| 15:19.37 | Tain | Otherwise 21+ :) |
| 15:19.39 | Mikk1 | "21 and over" |
| 15:19.47 | Ktron | no, I imagine 21 and over is if you're over 21, even 21 and a day |
| 15:19.50 | Kirkburn | heh, I'll join you Mikk :) |
| 15:20.01 | Mikk1 | Am I really in such a small demographic? |
| 15:20.05 | Ktron | just like 18 and 1 day with be in 18-21 |
| 15:20.11 | Mikk1 | Heck, the majority of my guild is 21+ |
| 15:20.19 | Mikk1 | (Then again perhaps there's a reason I'm in that guild) |
| 15:20.45 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 15:21.05 | Kirkburn | Yeah, agreed Ktron |
| 15:21.14 | Kirkburn | I'm in an 18+ guild myself |
| 15:21.28 | Mikk1 | Urhm did I forget a 1 after my Nick? Why isn't NickServ bitching at me? o.O |
| 15:21.42 | Mikk1 | No i had it right |
| 15:21.59 | Mikk1 | (Opera's client confuses me. It displays my "name", not my nick) |
| 15:22.04 | Ktron | this is what I think I need (slash was told yesterday) to do to have a function run every time the event CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL fired... http://wow.pastecode.com/548 |
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| 15:22.33 | Ktron | I didn't know Opera had a irc client... is it tabbed into the browser? |
| 15:22.50 | Mikk1 | yep |
| 15:22.57 | Mikk1 | It's surprisingly useful for a built-in |
| 15:23.23 | Mikk1 | Can be styled pretty much however you like by tweaking css files. Has tab completion. Can talk to multiple networks... |
| 15:23.28 | Mikk1 | Can't do scripts and fancy stuff but .. bah. |
| 15:23.47 | Ktron | I wish Thunderbird could be tabbed into Firefox, or even if they just were tabbed like that in the Suite... maybe now that the suite is taken over and called Seamonkey we will see it happen |
| 15:24.09 | Mikk1 | Aye running thunderbird and firefox at the same time makes zero sense RAM wise |
| 15:24.28 | Mikk1 | Ktron: I think the frame needs to be visible for events to be delivered |
| 15:24.46 | Kirkburn | This is what I was looking at http://mtvexhale.com/ ... after you answer the questions you can see the advert they've been showing on TV, it's quite cool |
| 15:24.52 | Mikk1 | (bit foggy headed from lack of caffeine still but that's what I seem to remember) |
| 15:25.20 | Mikk1 | Why on earth would I want to exert effort to see an ad? =P |
| 15:25.37 | Mikk1 | Unless it has boobs in it of course. |
| 15:25.38 | Kirkburn | There's a spanish server tab I notice ... new? |
| 15:25.58 | Kirkburn | Er, no boobs, no. Explosions though |
| 15:26.14 | Mikk1 | Ktron: Your problem is GhostOfficerFrame:SetScript("OnEvent", GhostOfficerMain()) |
| 15:26.18 | Mikk1 | Remove the () |
| 15:26.21 | wereHamster | Ktron, GhostOfficerFrame:SetScript("OnEvent", GhostOfficerMain()) -- inless GhostOfficerMain returns a function this won't work |
| 15:26.29 | Mikk1 | *5* wereHamster |
| 15:27.00 | Mikk1 | What happens there is GhostOfficerMain() gets called, returns nil, and then you do SetScript("OnEvent", nil) |
| 15:27.01 | wereHamster | :-P |
| 15:27.36 | Kirkburn | How about the Xbox 360 waterballoon fight ad? Seen that? |
| 15:27.37 | Ktron | Ah, alright, that makes perfect sense now, but it was invisible to me a moment ago heh |
| 15:27.43 | Mikk1 | =) |
| 15:28.22 | Mikk1 | Kirkburn: Dude, I have analog swedish broadcast TV, which I turn on about three times a month. There's 2 public service channels and 1 ad driven channel in the analog network. |
| 15:28.30 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 15:28.45 | Kirkburn | UK is best in EU for that I think |
| 15:28.59 | Mikk1 | Aye BBC rocks |
| 15:28.59 | Kirkburn | One of the wonders of the BBC |
| 15:29.16 | Kirkburn | That was good timing =) |
| 15:29.20 | Kaso | EU servers online |
| 15:29.47 | Kirkburn | Aye |
| 15:29.53 | zenzelezz | yay! |
| 15:30.12 | Kaso | DAMNIT every fucking patch i forget to click the Load Out of date button! |
| 15:30.14 | Mikk1 | Of course, it's entirely possible that there's other countries with amazing public service TV, but neither you nor me would know about them =) |
| 15:30.35 | End | Kaso: you and nearly everyone else ;p |
| 15:30.40 | Mikk1 | *raise* |
| 15:30.48 | zenzelezz | why is it that after every single patch I forget to enable my addons |
| 15:30.49 | End | (I saw nearly because I'm sure someone will say "but I didn't forget!") |
| 15:30.55 | End | s/saw/say/ |
| 15:31.01 | End | I need to learn2nottypo |
| 15:31.04 | Mikk1 | I've never forgotten to forget. |
| 15:31.10 | Mikk1 | o.O |
| 15:32.14 | zenzelezz | neat, mail from Argent Dawn |
| 15:32.26 | End | yup |
| 15:32.51 | End | in the last weekish I had 3 pieces of mail, and they were all from npcs o_O |
| 15:33.26 | Kaso | AD have mailed everyone? man poor guys |
| 15:33.41 | End | hmmm |
| 15:33.53 | End | I don't remember... |
| 15:34.02 | End | did the mail show up in the mailbox right away? |
| 15:34.10 | End | or did it take a bit to show up? |
| 15:34.28 | zenzelezz | went as fast as it always does on logon for me |
| 15:34.33 | End | hmm |
| 15:34.49 | Kaso | ok this is wierd |
| 15:34.54 | End | I'm wondering if the mail was really sent to everyone or it was an on-login sort of thing |
| 15:35.06 | Wobin | I didn't get any =( |
| 15:35.08 | Kaso | RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE is firing each relog even though im not in a raid |
| 15:35.23 | Kirkburn | Erm, I'm not seeing problems with ClearFont |
| 15:35.37 | End | does RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE get called when you leave a raid? |
| 15:35.46 | End | erm, fired, not called I mean |
| 15:36.19 | Kaso | um |
| 15:36.32 | Kaso | lemme check |
| 15:36.44 | Kaso | yes |
| 15:38.27 | End | I wonder if it is a safety catch for disconnect, raid disband, reconnect |
| 15:38.42 | End | so that it doesn't have to remember |
| 15:39.01 | End | (plus, you could have people leaving/joining/moving around when not aware anyways) |
| 15:39.08 | Kaso | makes sense |
| 15:39.22 | Kaso | annoying though, it'll add time to my loadup as CTRA checks. |
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| 15:42.02 | zenzelezz | Light's Hope is alive |
| 15:42.37 | Kaso | Kirkburn: im not seeing that problem with clearfont |
| 15:42.45 | Ktron | to have a SavedVariable for an addon, you just need to list the name of it in the .toc, right? |
| 15:43.36 | Mikk1 | Yes |
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| 15:43.45 | Mikk1 | Well erm |
| 15:44.22 | Ktron | if the erm is 'don't name it something stupid' then I know that... 'GhostOfficer_DB' is probably a reasonable name for the GhostOfficer addon |
| 15:44.41 | End | I would hope so |
| 15:44.56 | Mikk1 | Ktron: http://www.wowwiki.com/The_TOC_Format |
| 15:45.42 | Ktron | Mikk1, oh yeah, knew that, thanks though |
| 15:47.50 | Tain | haha wow I never even knew you could localize different parts of the toc like that. |
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| 15:48.09 | Tain | Me and my American-centric world. :) |
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| 15:49.23 | Kirkburn | Kaso: you don't see it either? |
| 15:49.38 | Kaso | Nope, my clearfont appears to be 100% working |
| 15:49.42 | Kirkburn | I've tried several UI sizes, can't make it break |
| 15:49.55 | Kirkburn | What are your settings? |
| 15:50.12 | Kirkburn | Resolution etc |
| 15:50.24 | Kaso | 1280x1024 0.64 UI scale |
| 15:51.15 | Kirkburn | Pretty same as me :P |
| 15:52.01 | Kaso | Shall i ask the two guys on SA forums that said they had it for there settings ? |
| 15:52.11 | zenzelezz | hey, my additional bottom-right action bar doesn't just show range now, it also shows the bound key :-o |
| 15:53.04 | Kirkburn | Please :) |
| 15:53.31 | Kaso | i'll shout you if they reply anytime soon |
| 15:54.07 | wereHamster | I can't get CF to work :( |
| 15:54.32 | Kirkburn | In what way? |
| 15:54.43 | Elkano | ok, now let's see how many addons didn't survive the patch ;) |
| 15:55.05 | Kirkburn | I shall point out that the zip structure changed |
| 15:55.33 | Tain | I swear no matter what the patches change/update/break/etc. nothing annoys me more than the fact that they always turn off "Load out of date addons" on you. |
| 15:55.43 | wereHamster | the chatframe font doesn't seem to be overriden |
| 15:55.47 | zenzelezz | Tain: aye |
| 15:55.49 | End | Tain: I agree. |
| 15:55.53 | Tain | "Why does my UI look diff... oh damnit!" |
| 15:56.28 | Tain | And there's just enough time between patches where I forget every time. |
| 15:56.30 | wereHamster | Tain, make WTF/Config.wtf read-only ;) |
| 15:56.31 | zenzelezz | they could just give a message box when you first log in to the character selection screen; "It may be safer to not load out-of-date addons. Do you still want to enable them?" |
| 15:56.52 | Tain | And do I really have to accept multiple EULAs every patch? |
| 15:56.54 | Tain | Come on. |
| 15:56.55 | End | zenzelezz, it used to do something like that |
| 15:57.27 | Mikk1 | Caused too much support eh |
| 15:57.38 | Kirkburn | wereHamster, works for me :/ |
| 15:57.41 | wereHamster | And in the chatframe, I can only choose between four font sizes.. 12pt-18pt |
| 15:57.48 | Kirkburn | Have you got it turned on? ;) |
| 15:57.50 | wereHamster | I used to have more |
| 15:57.53 | Kirkburn | Cause it doesn't sounds like it ... |
| 15:57.56 | Mikk1 | Hmmm, I wonder if I'd be legally bound by their EULAs if I were to attrib +r Config.wtf by mistake |
| 15:57.57 | zenzelezz | I'm not yet sure if I like this global LFG channel... it's nice not to have to be in special zones to find a team, but at the same time I don't really want all these Booty Bay/SM/... messages... |
| 15:58.12 | Mikk1 | Well aeruhmm I'm not legally bound by them to begin with. Silly question. |
| 15:58.33 | Ktron | Woah, I've got an idea for an addon :) |
| 15:58.41 | wereHamster | which version should I download .. beta-1 or beta-3? |
| 15:58.50 | End | I think mostly the eula is just a "we can ban you kthx" |
| 15:59.23 | Mikk1 | zenzelezz: Aye, the global one needs to be a separate channel. Possibly with a minimum level restriction even. |
| 15:59.30 | Kirkburn | The release version? |
| 16:00.19 | Kirkburn | It sounds like you've got the fonts in the WoW/Fonts folder, but you haven't actually got the addon itself running |
| 16:00.47 | Mikk1 | Ergh scratch that minimum level restriction unless they're looking at all of your chars on the server. It'd mean that I couldn't idle on an alt and look for instance runs for my high level chars =( |
| 16:01.32 | zenzelezz | I'm pretty pleased with the Bloodrage/Improved Bloodrage change... 15 instant rage instead of 10 seems nicer to me than retaining a small fraction of health |
| 16:02.01 | wereHamster | one gotta hate file-roller :-/ |
| 16:02.24 | Kirkburn | file-roller? |
| 16:02.33 | zenzelezz | heh, servers are lagged (as expected) now... landed in Menethil and didn't see a single NPC until boom! the ship was there |
| 16:02.34 | Kaso | Wand of Eternal Light On Use: Mana regen is now On Equip as it should be, yay! |
| 16:02.57 | wereHamster | file-roller is to gnome what winzip is to windows.. |
| 16:03.22 | wereHamster | sut it somehow sucks at overwriting existing files.. |
| 16:03.57 | Kirkburn | aah |
| 16:04.04 | Kirkburn | Stupid thing |
| 16:04.30 | Kirkburn | (I just tested without ClearFont loaded, still can't break it, but I saw wereHamster's problem) |
| 16:06.34 | Ktron | how do you hide a particular chat message? using RemoveChatWindowMessages? |
| 16:07.09 | _B | Anyone else notice that WoW-EU gets stuck on retrieving character list? |
| 16:07.20 | Elkano | positive on that |
| 16:07.40 | Kaso | Ktron what do you mean exactly? |
| 16:07.56 | Kaso | as in stop "[Fred] Says: boo" from appearing/ |
| 16:08.21 | wereHamster | _B, me.. but only on some servers |
| 16:08.23 | Ktron | yeah, or channel garble (as GEM and GuildMap and CTRA) does |
| 16:08.31 | _B | Apparently all my servers ;3 |
| 16:08.53 | Kaso | well if its just a channel you can just choose not to show that channel, but if you just want part of that channels text hiding oyu need to hook |
| 16:09.00 | zenzelezz | I'm logged in, but seeing the old "aaaargh everyone's trying to log in!" lag |
| 16:09.17 | Ktron | yeah, I want to show some and hide others, and hooking sounds right |
| 16:09.36 | Kaso | hold on for a link |
| 16:09.44 | Ktron | thanks |
| 16:09.55 | Kirkburn | lol, so much for that idea |
| 16:10.09 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_MessageFrame_AddMessage <-- needs to be hooked |
| 16:10.12 | Kirkburn | (_B, yeah I got that too for a about a minute) |
| 16:10.29 | Kaso | Im stuck on a zeplin thats going nowhere |
| 16:10.35 | Mikk1 | err |
| 16:10.42 | Mikk1 | ChatFrame AddMessage, I meant |
| 16:10.43 | Kirkburn | I just tried making ClearFont HUUUUUUGE, to see if it turned everything into ''...'' - no, it just made everything HUUUUUUGE |
| 16:10.44 | zenzelezz | Kaso: I'm stuck on the boat :) |
| 16:10.53 | Kirkburn | Very odd to look at |
| 16:11.03 | _B | Yay, zepplin to nowhere :D |
| 16:11.05 | Ktron | screenshot it Kirkburn |
| 16:11.06 | Ktron | :) |
| 16:11.14 | Ktron | heh, which means I need to learn how to hook later |
| 16:11.51 | Kaso | Ktron i wrote a post about hiding whispers for some guy the other day |
| 16:11.57 | Kaso | but forums are slow atm |
| 16:12.24 | Mikk1 | AXR_Orig_ChatFrame1_AddMessage = ChatFrame1.AddMessage; |
| 16:12.24 | Mikk1 | ChatFrame1.AddMessage = AXR_ChatFrame1_AddMessage; |
| 16:12.30 | Kaso | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-en&t=46576&tmp=1 |
| 16:12.32 | Mikk1 | (and so on for all 7 chatframes) |
| 16:13.23 | Mikk1 | function AXR_ChatFrame1_AddMessage(self, msg, ...) |
| 16:13.23 | Mikk1 | if(msg and MyIsHiddenTest(msg)) then |
| 16:13.23 | Mikk1 | return; |
| 16:13.23 | Mikk1 | end |
| 16:13.23 | Mikk1 | AXR_Orig_ChatFrame1_AddMessage(self, msg, unpack(arg)); |
| 16:13.23 | Mikk1 | end |
| 16:14.28 | Mikk1 | Arf, I should have pastebinned that. Anyway, notice the "..." -> "unpack(arg)" cleverness which means that you never have to worry about the number of arguments actually supplied and passed on. |
| 16:14.45 | Mikk1 | If you want to access them, you can do so via arg[1], arg[2], etc |
| 16:14.49 | Ktron | heh... I think I followed that Mikk1 |
| 16:14.55 | Ktron | let's see if I did :) |
| 16:15.18 | Kaso | hook all 7 chatframes in a loop, thats how the cool kids do it :> |
| 16:15.38 | Mikk1 | Aye getglobal/setglobal madness ftw =) |
| 16:15.49 | Ktron | Kaso, I'm working on following your example |
| 16:16.32 | Kaso | that code can be improved, i forgot about unpack() |
| 16:17.33 | Kaso | bah, all i want to do is fix my addons! what are all these noobs doing causing the server to lag! |
| 16:17.42 | zenzelezz | "Disconnected from server" =D |
| 16:18.03 | Kirkburn | http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot0621061811533kn.jpg |
| 16:18.29 | Kaso | haha |
| 16:18.35 | Kirkburn | ^ that'll be my next version ;) |
| 16:18.36 | Mikk1 | Oooooo hey here's an optimization. Make 7 tables of your own, that all have an AddMessage() function (same damn function), and use a member var to point to the right frame. |
| 16:18.40 | Ktron | niec Kirkburn :) |
| 16:18.43 | Mikk1 | Damn, this deserves a wiki howto |
| 16:19.50 | Kaso | (CPU) 1-Unknown CPU Typ, 1670MHz, 512KB (100% Load) .:. (RAM) usage: 414/1024MB (40.43%) .:. (GFX) NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT, (Display) 1280x1024/32bit/60Hz |
| 16:19.50 | Kaso | (OS) Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), (installed for) 74w 1d 17h 45m, (uptime) 6d 4h 6m 18s .:. (HDDs) 25.2GB/298GB(8.5%) free |
| 16:19.51 | Ktron | alright, bbl, need to go to a job interview |
| 16:19.53 | Ktron | wish me luck |
| 16:19.57 | Kaso | hey! stop that! |
| 16:20.05 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 16:20.06 | Kaso | Why did my MIRC paste that crap |
| 16:20.22 | Kaso | i dont want people to know about my noob system |
| 16:20.23 | zenzelezz | looks like a script "feature" |
| 16:20.27 | Kirkburn | nooob! |
| 16:20.46 | Wobin | skirptkiddie |
| 16:21.06 | Kirkburn | Laptop? |
| 16:21.28 | Kirkburn | scratch that, too big HD for a laptop |
| 16:21.39 | End | yeah, that was my thought process |
| 16:21.52 | Kirkburn | In comparison, mine is only 40gig :/ So small :( |
| 16:22.15 | Kaso | the processor is underclocked, for some reason im too lazy to put it to the right speed |
| 16:22.31 | End | ahhh |
| 16:22.49 | Kirkburn | For newer processors MHz means nothing anyway |
| 16:23.00 | Kaso | i clocked it down one day when it was crashing due to heat then i havent got around to reclocking it up |
| 16:23.08 | End | well, it means something, but not what people want it to mean |
| 16:23.27 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 16:23.59 | Kirkburn | My laptop has a low clockspeed but it's as fast or faster than my 1.8 desktop |
| 16:24.13 | End | nodnod |
| 16:24.34 | Kirkburn | Not that I've seen my desktop for a veeeeery long time |
| 16:24.53 | Mikk1 | Uh, wait, what's keeping me from storing my old AddMessage pointer inside the chatframes themselves? |
| 16:25.21 | Kirkburn | Enough of computery stuff, it's sunny and hot outside. I'm going for a walk :) |
| 16:25.33 | End | ~unproductivity |
| 16:25.34 | purl | yay! |
| 16:25.35 | Kirkburn | (zomg) |
| 16:25.44 | Kaso | think of all the poor clearfont users man1 |
| 16:25.54 | Kirkburn | Hey it works, they're doing something wrong ;) |
| 16:26.08 | Kirkburn | I hope it's not something stupid like it works for EU people, but not for US people |
| 16:26.14 | End | it works for me |
| 16:26.15 | Kaso | ha that'd be great |
| 16:26.19 | End | and I'm US |
| 16:26.29 | Kirkburn | Ah, good, that's okay then :D |
| 16:26.48 | End | not...that I'm using the most up to date version ;p |
| 16:27.01 | zenzelezz | I find it a bit annoying to hear the "player logged in" sound when I'm still stuck on the login screen |
| 16:27.09 | Kirkburn | heh, shouldn't make a difference though |
| 16:27.23 | Kaso | The sound plays on PEW doesnt it? |
| 16:27.41 | zenzelezz | I mean the one you get when friends log in |
| 16:27.58 | Kaso | oh |
| 16:28.05 | zenzelezz | had it at least twice now, on my 10-minutes+ of loading screen funnage |
| 16:28.12 | zenzelezz | poor servers |
| 16:29.28 | Kirkburn | woop, Object Desktop updates :) Soo glad I bought that |
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| 16:31.27 | zenzelezz | hehe, "Disconnected from server" after ages without leaving the login screen... now sounds like the time to make some food :) |
| 16:33.52 | wereHamster | ? DISPELLEDSELFOTHER doesn't exists anymore |
| 16:34.28 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Hook_chat_frames_to_modify_or_suppress_messages <-- Reality check please. No WoW up to test with =) |
| 16:35.02 | Kaso | I'll check it over for you if you like |
| 16:35.26 | Mikk1 | That'd be great =) |
| 16:35.34 | Kirkburn | Back later =) |
| 16:35.57 | Kirkburn|Shoppin | Okay, it appears I'm from the 'hood. Nevermind |
| 16:36.20 | End-hoppin | yo dawg |
| 16:36.33 | Kirkburn|Shoppin | wassup? |
| 16:36.53 | Kirkburn|Shoppin | Yous all me biatches |
| 16:36.57 | End | lol |
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| 16:38.24 | End | Kirkburn|Shoppin: run man!' |
| 16:42.52 | Kaso | Mikk1 almost perfect |
| 16:43.57 | Kaso | the only problem is its its NUM_CHAT_WINDOWS not its NUM_CHAT_FRAMES |
| 16:46.11 | wereHamster | wasn't there a GetFrameType() ? |
| 16:48.46 | cladhaire | Mikk1|Eatin-n-al: You can't safely unhook those hooks.. just deactivate them |
| 16:49.42 | cladhaire | Mikk1|Eatin-n-al: Actually, you should be able to unhook them given the fact that you're using the same function for each.. *ponder* |
| 16:50.36 | cladhaire | Mikk1|Eatin-n-al: I would avoid storing the original functions in the ChatFrame object tho, its volatile and we have no control over it, its probably better to handle it within your own namespace |
| 16:50.58 | cladhaire | Mikk1|Eatin-n-al: The unpack() will be VERY VERY VERY expensive.. and will create garbage like you wouln't believe.. so I'd specify the arguments explicitly |
| 16:51.03 | cladhaire | but it looks good =) |
| 16:54.21 | wereHamster | did the name of the pet action bar change? |
| 16:54.30 | wereHamster | PetActionBar doesn't exist anymore |
| 16:59.45 | Maldivia | *grumble* button changes backward compatible ny *ass* |
| 16:59.53 | Maldivia | ehh, my *biib* :) |
| 17:02.29 | zenzelezz | your boob? |
| 17:02.37 | End | your bob |
| 17:03.12 | zenzelezz | Tip: A Blizzard employee will NEVER ask you for your password. |
| 17:03.19 | zenzelezz | nice loading screen tip |
| 17:03.57 | Mikk1 | Kaso: Thanks! |
| 17:04.32 | Mikk1 | And yeah, I suppose the combat log spewage will create a bit of garbage, at that. Probably shouldn't use a table there =( |
| 17:05.49 | zenzelezz | I just get back in and I see [SERVER] Restart in 15:00 |
| 17:05.51 | Mikk1 | And it's basically never safe to unhook manual hooks either way. Gotta use a hook management library. |
| 17:06.40 | End | unless hook management libraries know about all other hook management libraries, it isn't even safe for them |
| 17:07.20 | Mikk1 | True |
| 17:07.57 | Mikk1 | And re: storing my orig ptr in the frame ... err.. if we can't trust the ChatFrameX tables to remain in ram, we can't even trust the hooks to remain. I'll ignore that for now =) |
| 17:16.01 | Mikk1 | End: <nitpicking> No, it might not be safe for the hook mgmt libraries to remove their own hooks, but it's safe to stop calling hooks in addons that's registered with the hook management library! |
| 17:17.05 | End | well yeah... |
| 17:17.07 | Mikk1 | (How the hell do hook management libraries know the number of arguments and return values btw? o.O) |
| 17:17.17 | Mikk1 | (Lots of tables, or kept up-to-date with specs?) |
| 17:18.11 | Mikk1 | Err ... has to be lots of tables. |
| 17:18.14 | Mikk1 | Or insane amounts of locals. |
| 17:18.28 | Mikk1 | Can't see a hook mgmt library knowing everything about framexml. |
| 17:18.30 | Elkano | ok, most addons seem to have survived it :) |
| 17:18.56 | Mikk1 | Elkano: grats =) |
| 17:19.29 | Kaso | it always seems to me that with all the overhead from the hook management you might as well just de-activate your hooks instead |
| 17:19.40 | End | locals is probably the answer |
| 17:19.41 | Elkano | ItemDB broke (fixed), FishingBuddy broke, I've two tooltips for units and I'm wating for Gatherers 1.11deDE file |
| 17:19.57 | Mikk1 | Aye. The only problem with an if() check inside your hooks is if you've fubard the argument and return value passing |
| 17:20.02 | Mikk1 | Which has been known to happen =( |
| 17:20.07 | Elkano | and curse wont let me login to update my versions :( |
| 17:20.18 | Mikk1 | use curse's beta site |
| 17:20.18 | Kirkburn|Shoppin | Use the beta1 server |
| 17:20.24 | Kirkburn|Shoppin | change www to beta1 |
| 17:20.24 | End | beta1.curse-gaming.com |
| 17:20.26 | End | yeah |
| 17:20.46 | Kirkburn|Shoppin | ner ner, too slow |
| 17:20.50 | Mikk1 | Oh and give them your current e-mail address, and you would have known about it already =) |
| 17:21.57 | Kirkburn|Lordin | Cairenn may deny it, but I is lordin' over yous all :) |
| 17:22.30 | Mikk1 | roflskates. My talk page has twice the amount of hits of Category:UI_Technical_Details |
| 17:22.39 | Kirkburn|Lordin | heh |
| 17:23.24 | Mikk1 | Hm, is it just me, or does archiving Iriel's change summaries somewhere on the wiki sound like a good idea? |
| 17:25.00 | Cairenn | Elkano: you're approved on WoWI |
| 17:25.10 | Elkano | thx :) |
| 17:25.20 | Elkano | the only page I was able to upload at :/ |
| 17:25.35 | Cairenn | Mikk1: I'd started archiving them on WoWI, plus there is the wdn |
| 17:25.49 | Cairenn | Elkano: so sorry we're the only ones :p |
| 17:25.54 | Elkano | ok, next is curse :) |
| 17:26.00 | Kirkburn|Lordin | It appears we already have a nickname for the raid icons: http://www.wowwiki.com/LuckyCharms |
| 17:26.42 | End | yes, but where are the red balloons? |
| 17:27.39 | Mikk1 | Cairenn: I meant API changes rather than FrameXML changes (which wdn kicks utter ass for =)) |
| 17:28.07 | Mikk1 | Where are you archiving them on wowi? I might just point there. |
| 17:28.42 | Cairenn | As I said, I'd *started* to, but I stopped, seemed redundant |
| 17:28.48 | Mikk1 | Oh o.O |
| 17:29.05 | Mikk1 | Seems useful to me, seeing as how blizzard's forum topics go away |
| 17:29.20 | Mikk1 | Aight, I'll start on the wiki then =) |
| 17:29.21 | Cairenn | yeah, well, don't think I'm not kicking myself now :p |
| 17:29.24 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 17:29.49 | Cairenn | don't forget about helping get that stupid faq sorted :p |
| 17:29.58 | Cairenn | I've got all the info transfered over |
| 17:31.29 | Mikk1 | It's on my to-do list (yep, I actually have one, on dead trees!) but 1.11 got in the way |
| 17:31.47 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 17:33.05 | Cairenn | I'd had like 4 of them archived in a separate forum in the dev section, and stupid me, I poofed them |
| 17:33.08 | Kirkburn|Lordin | At some point, it should probably be integrated with the wiki Interface Customization FAQ |
| 17:33.33 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|Lordin: hush you |
| 17:33.33 | End | hmm |
| 17:33.33 | Kirkburn|Lordin | :( |
| 17:33.48 | Cairenn | yous in trouble boyo, call me your biotch will you? |
| 17:33.59 | Kirkburn|Lordin | uuuh, err |
| 17:34.09 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 17:34.21 | Kirkburn|Lordin | That was surely someone else, I am much more eloquent than that! |
| 17:34.27 | Cairenn | uh huh |
| 17:37.19 | End | using dark and secret magicks I think I can get most of the API changes threads |
| 17:37.30 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, ping |
| 17:37.40 | Cairenn | wereHamster, pong |
| 17:37.57 | End | wereHamster, oing |
| 17:38.09 | Kirkburn|Hushin | wereHamster, oink |
| 17:38.15 | End | (at least, back to 1.5) |
| 17:38.22 | End | (I'm not seeing any before 1.5) |
| 17:38.25 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.30 | zenzelezz | I don't seem to understand this summer flame thingie |
| 17:38.42 | Cairenn | End: that's when Iriel started them |
| 17:38.54 | End | Cairenn: Iriel didn't start them it looks like o_O |
| 17:39.03 | Kirkburn|Hushin | \o/ |
| 17:39.10 | End | Vika did |
| 17:39.18 | End | Iriel took over around 1.7 it looks like |
| 17:39.21 | Kirkburn|Hushin | Stoler! |
| 17:39.31 | Cairenn | forgot that |
| 17:39.44 | End | so did I |
| 17:39.56 | Kirkburn | I is restartin' |
| 17:41.16 | End | hmm, I'm missing 1.8 |
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| 17:46.14 | zenzelezz | tossed off the server again x.x |
| 17:46.18 | Kirkburn | Did you miss me? |
| 17:46.41 | Legorol | oh yeah! |
| 17:46.59 | Legorol | Kirkburn, those 5 minutes... felt like an eternity |
| 17:47.27 | zenzelezz | this is going to be a tiresome night |
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| 17:48.11 | Mikk1 | Does anyone have the 1.10 changes stored? |
| 17:48.22 | Mikk1 | I cba to go dig for earlier stuff, really. It was too long ago. |
| 17:51.47 | Kirkburn | Check the bluetracker |
| 17:52.01 | Kirkburn | It's all archived there |
| 17:52.04 | End | bluetracker is bad for that |
| 17:52.08 | End | because a blue didn't post it |
| 17:52.10 | End | Iriel did |
| 17:52.21 | End | it doesn't see the edits |
| 17:52.22 | Kirkburn | It archives stickies too |
| 17:52.24 | Tain | Well someone's going to have to start an mvptracker. |
| 17:52.26 | Kirkburn | And yes it does |
| 17:52.31 | End | noooo |
| 17:52.35 | Kirkburn | It does! |
| 17:52.45 | End | I was just there! |
| 17:52.55 | Kirkburn | Ah, the edits, sorry |
| 17:53.06 | Kirkburn | Apologies |
| 17:53.15 | End | :P |
| 17:53.27 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 17:53.36 | End | actually, I have almost all of them now |
| 17:53.46 | End | but I used dark magicks |
| 17:54.01 | Qzot | Anyone already written a filter for the new /4 world spam channel? |
| 17:55.04 | Tain | Yeah, /leave 4 |
| 17:55.37 | Qzot | I like LFG. Don't like the crap it's riding with. |
| 17:56.08 | Tain | Oh if you actually use it, no idea. I always leave it immediately on creating a character. |
| 17:56.32 | Mikk1 | End: hm? |
| 17:56.39 | Qzot | I used to spin it off to a separate window, and would check it when I wanted to find a PuG. |
| 17:56.55 | Kirkburn | It's a novelty atm, it'll wear off |
| 17:57.09 | Qzot | But now, even in its own channel, it's 90% zomg and chuck norris, and nub help requests. |
| 17:57.22 | Qzot | It'll wear off? Just like Barrens chat? |
| 17:57.42 | Qzot | I suspect that the same things which feed Barrens chat will keep it going indefinitely. |
| 17:57.55 | Qzot | Same idiots as in the Barrens, only moreso. |
| 17:57.58 | Kirkburn | Well that's just cause it's large and new people |
| 17:58.16 | Kirkburn | Do it on LFG and you'll get banned speedy-like |
| 17:58.25 | End | Mikk1: it's not complete, but google caches them, and often other people make copies |
| 17:58.36 | Qzot | Two ideas I've had, and was hoping someone had already implemented: |
| 17:58.39 | End | Mikk1: one or two changes per might be missing |
| 17:59.11 | Qzot | (1) Filter LFG and drop any message which don't include a standard instance name, like ZG/ZG/VC/etc. |
| 17:59.53 | Qzot | (2) Create a very-easy-to-use (that's hard) tool which emits LFG message in a very standard format, and only show conforming messages. |
| 18:00.25 | Kaso | How many spelling permintations would you have to do for (1) :> |
| 18:00.32 | Qzot | Lots. |
| 18:01.02 | Qzot | And if it became popular, people would send spam like, "ZG How would chuck norris change a lightbulb?" |
| 18:02.08 | Mikk1 | End: Duh. "l2google". I'm on it, thanks =) |
| 18:06.23 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_change_summaries <- boing! |
| 18:07.05 | Gryphen | 1.10? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-interface-customization&T=286547&P=1 |
| 18:07.40 | Mikk1 | Ahh cool, thanks much. |
| 18:08.25 | Gryphen | http://wowscrubber.com/index.php?q=Concise&u=&g=&r=&f%5B%5D=wow-interface-customization&t=&b= |
| 18:08.35 | Gryphen | how i found |
| 18:11.01 | Mikk1 | Arf, I've already forgotten. What was the last TOC? 11020 or 11002? |
| 18:11.05 | Cairenn | hi Kaelten |
| 18:11.09 | Gryphen | 11000 |
| 18:11.14 | Mikk1 | Oh |
| 18:11.16 | Kaelten | heya Cairenn hows it going? |
| 18:11.21 | Cairenn | it goes, you? |
| 18:11.25 | End | toc isn't updated for the fix patches |
| 18:11.26 | Kaelten | same :) |
| 18:11.28 | End | just content patches |
| 18:11.31 | Mikk1 | oki |
| 18:11.33 | End | (at least, so far) |
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| 18:16.17 | Tain | Ok who titled the section on wowwiki "Holy Writ" |
| 18:17.52 | End | does anyone know what anonymous frames call themselves when you do :GetName()? |
| 18:20.05 | Wobin | They return nil, don't they? |
| 18:20.33 | Wobin | They appear to return nil |
| 18:20.41 | End | ok, thanks |
| 18:21.05 | End | I was pretty sure it was that or return something like doing tostring(anyordinarytable) |
| 18:21.43 | End | (by ordinary I mean doesn't have a metatable with __tostring) |
| 18:22.44 | Kaso | Unknown Enitiy seems to have been renamed simply Unknown |
| 18:24.33 | Qzot | Someone here asked for results when I got them vis-a-vis shifts in city population after the other auction houses opened up. Likely as not, that someone's not here, but I do have the results. |
| 18:25.06 | Qzot | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/ for anyone who cares. |
| 18:25.09 | Cairenn | a number of us were curious |
| 18:25.47 | Cairenn | repaste the link later, when Iriel is on |
| 18:25.47 | Qzot | k |
| 18:25.47 | Qzot | It appears that the change is obvious, minor, and ongoing. |
| 18:26.11 | Tain | The bottom line is: Everyone still hates Darnassus. |
| 18:26.19 | Qzot | You got it. |
| 18:26.27 | Qzot | I need to run the same analysis for horde. |
| 18:26.31 | End | I think horde-side would be a lot closer |
| 18:26.38 | End | although orgrimmar would still maintain a lead |
| 18:26.47 | Cairenn | they really need to add more stuff to Darnassus |
| 18:26.56 | Tain | Or get rid of it entirely. :) |
| 18:26.58 | Cairenn | I bet TB will be the low one on Horde side |
| 18:27.10 | End | yeah, TB would be lowest |
| 18:27.28 | Cairenn | Org and UC will be close |
| 18:27.37 | End | TB isn't as mind boggling out of the way as darnassus though |
| 18:27.38 | Tain | TB is actually nice for someone who does auction a lot, the mailbox is very close, closer than other places I think. |
| 18:27.47 | End | yes |
| 18:27.58 | Cairenn | agreed |
| 18:28.06 | Wobin | for AH/Mailbox/Bank functionality, TB wins hands down |
| 18:28.20 | Cairenn | and most likely BB for the neutral ones |
| 18:28.37 | Mikk1 | I like Gzan. But I'm engi =) |
| 18:28.48 | Cairenn | again, same thing, most easily accessible for multiple levels, and AH/Bank/Mailbox all right there |
| 18:28.58 | Qzot | I love TB for engr and BS. But it sucks for questing and instances. |
| 18:28.59 | Mikk1 | BB blows ass for alliance =( |
| 18:29.05 | Tain | Of course Alliance side I love Ironforge the most, it's the easiest city to get around in to me. |
| 18:29.29 | Wobin | Hehe |
| 18:29.30 | Mikk1 | I've played horde too, and took quick BB trips basically for granted (due to Grom'Gol) |
| 18:29.35 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.39 | Mikk1 | Alliance side? BB is so far out of the way it's not even funny |
| 18:29.50 | Wobin | Now, if only the neutral AH was viable =P |
| 18:29.59 | Tain | Oh did they add that Alliance flightpath near Ratchet? |
| 18:30.03 | Qzot | Argh. You've got that right, Wobin. |
| 18:30.03 | Wobin | yep |
| 18:30.13 | Mikk1 | Cool =) |
| 18:30.45 | Qzot | There's really no excuse for transport for high levels to be as hard as it is in this game. |
| 18:31.07 | SinePi | neutral AH sucks troll balls |
| 18:31.48 | Qzot | I was hoping adding a neutral AH in BB would help, but it didn't. |
| 18:32.52 | Wobin | Qzot: The fees for the neutral AH are too prohibitive to use effectively |
| 18:33.22 | End | pre-ZG, the only thing really significant was pristine black diamonds |
| 18:33.28 | End | now, nothing is significant |
| 18:33.57 | Wobin | heh now normal black diamonds cost more than the pristine ones |
| 18:34.04 | End | yeah |
| 18:34.18 | End | (which is stupid) |
| 18:34.32 | Wobin | (totally) |
| 18:34.33 | End | (how is being pristine being a -worse- quality) |
| 18:34.53 | End | (then again, perfect "synthetic" diamonds are "worse") |
| 18:35.06 | End | (erm, artificially created I mean) |
| 18:35.15 | zenzelezz | it's all about how much they're used for, and how easy they are to get |
| 18:35.43 | Qzot | Wobin: I disagree. |
| 18:36.06 | Wobin | about the fees? |
| 18:36.16 | Qzot | Wobin: My AH data indicates that there are still many, many items which abritrage >50% difference between horde and alliance. |
| 18:36.38 | Wobin | ~dict arbitrage |
| 18:36.47 | Wobin | (sorry, my vocab is failing me =)) |
| 18:37.08 | Ktron|afk | ~dict n00b |
| 18:37.13 | zenzelezz | hm, I'm seeing an invisible name in chat |
| 18:37.15 | Wobin | 00b |
| 18:37.17 | Wobin | n00b |
| 18:37.29 | zenzelezz | [3. LookingForGroup] : <...> |
| 18:37.39 | Wobin | shiftclick it? |
| 18:37.39 | Qzot | arbitrage == exploiting a difference in price between two different markets |
| 18:37.54 | Wobin | That could be class dependant |
| 18:38.00 | Wobin | ie pally gear or shammy gear |
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| 18:38.05 | zenzelezz | Wobin: can't, nothing to click (tried) |
| 18:38.09 | Qzot | Some of it is. Some isn't. |
| 18:38.23 | Wobin | hm, I've just never seen too much -on- the neutral AHs |
| 18:38.34 | Wobin | I mean, maybe a few hundred objects |
| 18:38.44 | Wobin | as opposed to the thousands on either side |
| 18:38.51 | Qzot | There are several trade supplies, for example, which are regularly on the alliance AH, and are farmed and bought, while no significant market forms for them on the horde side. Prices tend to be higher. |
| 18:38.56 | zenzelezz | dear god... global LFG was an invitation for spammers (and I mean repeat-spammers) |
| 18:39.10 | Qzot | Wobin: *That* is completely true. |
| 18:39.10 | zenzelezz | some guy is rolling new chars every other minute to spam |
| 18:39.23 | End | zenzelezz: report his ass |
| 18:39.26 | Wobin | I know stuff like Wild steelbloom is more prevalent on hordeside due to the Barrens/Stonetalong |
| 18:39.28 | zenzelezz | we are :-p |
| 18:39.29 | End | report his cow as well |
| 18:39.32 | End | and his horse |
| 18:39.37 | End | report all his farm animals |
| 18:39.42 | Wobin | EIEIO |
| 18:39.49 | Qzot | From what I've seen, alliance AH usu has about 6000 items, horde 4000 items, and neutral 100 items. |
| 18:40.01 | End | with a cluck cluck there and a cluck cluck here |
| 18:40.42 | Wobin | Although I want to get my Taran Icebreaker over onto the hordeside |
| 18:40.49 | Wobin | Since it's never going to sell on Alliance |
| 18:41.08 | Qzot | My guess is that the population differential between horde and alliance, combined with different self-selection characteristics means that there is a shift away from tradeskills on horde. That's pure speculation on my part. |
| 18:41.18 | Wobin | Really? |
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| 18:41.31 | Qzot | That's my opinion, at least. |
| 18:41.35 | Wobin | So there are more crafted items on the horde AH |
| 18:41.41 | Wobin | (since they don't make it themselves) |
| 18:42.05 | Qzot | At the high end, horde probably has as much interest in tradeskills, but it's very instrumentally focused: How to get through instances/pvp, etc. |
| 18:42.16 | Wobin | You'd think the Taurens would have gathering skills due to their racial bonus |
| 18:42.33 | Qzot | I posited a shift *away* on the horde side. Less crafted items, until you get to the high end. |
| 18:43.05 | Wobin | so more dropped greens et al low to midrange |
| 18:43.06 | Qzot | I think gathering profs are also unpopular horde side. |
| 18:43.20 | Wobin | .. What do they -do- with their time? =P |
| 18:43.27 | End | pvp, duh! |
| 18:43.32 | Wobin | oh =P |
| 18:43.33 | End | (I dunno) |
| 18:43.34 | Wobin | duh |
| 18:43.43 | netcurse- | Qzot where all these theorys coming from? |
| 18:43.47 | End | (I don't pvp much on my horde characters) |
| 18:44.04 | Wobin | I mean, tradeskills are the only thing that makes new characters interesting |
| 18:44.14 | Wobin | After you've tried all the classes/races |
| 18:44.24 | Qzot | They're coming out of my head. Speculation, as I said. |
| 18:45.05 | Qzot | They're based in *small* part on my experience as a major AH player both as alliance and as horde, and on some data that PlayOn has collected, but not seriously analyzed. |
| 18:45.07 | netcurse | well it doesn t depend of horde or alliance |
| 18:45.16 | netcurse | just depend of the status of the players |
| 18:45.27 | Wobin | How new the server is, you mean, net? |
| 18:45.38 | netcurse | for tradeskill i mean |
| 18:45.59 | Wobin | how do you mean 'status'? |
| 18:46.11 | netcurse | hight end players; casual; etc |
| 18:46.11 | Qzot | netcurse: If I understand you, I agree. But there is data to suggest that different personality types tend to select to play alliance or horde. |
| 18:46.16 | Wobin | ah |
| 18:46.28 | Qzot | netcurse: Yes. Agreed. |
| 18:46.33 | Wobin | The 'pretty' races et al |
| 18:46.46 | Qzot | Side note: What's the official name for Thunderbluff? |
| 18:46.52 | End | official? |
| 18:46.57 | Wobin | Isn't it Thunder Bluff? |
| 18:47.01 | End | oh |
| 18:47.13 | End | I..think there is a space |
| 18:47.14 | Qzot | Ugh. Okay. I need to re-run the numbers. Again. |
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| 18:47.29 | Wobin | I don't have a hordie on atm to check |
| 18:47.31 | Ktron | gonugungunkikkikikiismashpopflumfnutrockmacetoadstool |
| 18:47.41 | End | hmmm |
| 18:47.43 | Wobin | badgerbadgerbadger |
| 18:47.51 | Cide | Thunder Bluff, yes |
| 18:47.58 | Cairenn | and a good morning to you too, Ktron |
| 18:48.02 | End | yeah, I can confirm |
| 18:48.04 | End | there is a space |
| 18:48.09 | Qzot | Yup. Has a space. |
| 18:48.23 | Ktron | jpe hprd oy, Cairenn? |
| 18:48.41 | netcurse | Qzot, the horde players vs alliance players personality is true tho :) |
| 18:49.13 | Wobin | I think that has a lot to do with the prettiness of the alliance races |
| 18:49.39 | Wobin | people with less of a secure self image are going to choose the 'pretty' races |
| 18:49.52 | Qzot | netcurse: I suspect it is. But the only hard research data is (afaik) the Daedalus project, which is survey data, and therefore less reliable. |
| 18:50.05 | Qzot | Wobin: Lol. |
| 18:50.30 | Wobin | It's true =) |
| 18:50.38 | Ktron | Last time we had this discussion, I think the two most relevant points were that most people don't on a whim pick whether they want to be good or bad, and age ranges drastically affect whether they want to be the conquering good guys or the rampaging bad guys... Plus, at the end of wc3 it's not like horde had any kind of upperhand at all |
| 18:50.45 | Wobin | That's why there's a huge numbers of NightElfs =) |
| 18:50.56 | Qzot | Wobin: My suspicion is that is has to do more with player type. Are you an achiever, an explorer, a socializer, or killer? |
| 18:51.02 | netcurse | Qzot what info you would like to see |
| 18:51.02 | netcurse | , |
| 18:51.16 | Wobin | Qzot: Depends on whether you're a seasoned gamer or not |
| 18:51.26 | Qzot | Agreed. |
| 18:51.33 | Wobin | You only ever fall into those categories on choice of race/class if you've been playing a while |
| 18:51.39 | Ktron | They added flower pots in IF? |
| 18:51.40 | Qzot | Well, maybe I don't. Depend on your definition of 'gamer'. |
| 18:51.47 | Wobin | (cause you can identify characteristics that match) |
| 18:51.52 | netcurse | we will release on curse all the auction house price in 2-3 weeks in the database with the inflation of the last 1 year and half :) |
| 18:51.54 | Wobin | Ktron: Firepots |
| 18:52.07 | End | netcurse: neat! |
| 18:52.40 | Wobin | but most of the first time MMORPGers will choose a race they find attractive in some way |
| 18:52.56 | Wobin | Cause at that point, they have nothing to compare it against |
| 18:52.59 | Qzot | Not necessarily. A socializer (i.e. someone who would enjoy SL), probably would end up alliance as an RPer. Very few horde RPers, as our culture doesn't support as much of a multidimensional mythos for 'evil' characters. |
| 18:53.44 | Ktron | "bunny bunny bunny bunny... BU, NNY, BU, NNY, BU NNY BU NNY BUNNY! |
| 18:53.45 | Qzot | netcurse: Way cool! |
| 18:53.46 | Ktron | " |
| 18:55.09 | Qzot | Wow. |
| 18:55.14 | Ktron | If you don't know my reference, http://oldeschoolnews.com/news/?q=node/112 |
| 18:55.37 | Qzot | UC sucks almost as much as TB and Darnassus, at least in the minds of players on this one server I have data for. |
| 18:55.38 | Miravlix | Evening |
| 18:55.41 | Ktron | damn, I forgot the 'must kill' part |
| 18:55.59 | Wobin | alas |
| 18:56.03 | Wobin | googlevideo =( |
| 18:56.09 | Wobin | is blocked for me =( |
| 18:56.22 | Ktron | let's see if I can find a non-googlevideo version |
| 18:58.11 | Ktron | not looking good Wobin |
| 18:58.15 | End | Qzot: that's not what I expected |
| 18:58.44 | Qzot | End: Me, neither. |
| 18:58.56 | Wobin | =\ |
| 18:59.09 | Qzot | This is preliminary, only looking at the month before and the month after the change. |
| 18:59.19 | Qzot | Can you guys access http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/citymigration/citymigration-pvp-horde.gif ? |
| 18:59.28 | Wobin | aye |
| 18:59.30 | End | yup |
| 18:59.38 | Wobin | wow that's horrible =) |
| 18:59.54 | Wobin | What happened on 1/3? |
| 19:00.04 | Wobin | that the switchover? |
| 19:00.46 | zenzelezz | looks like everyone was trying out Thunderbluff and realized it still sucked |
| 19:00.54 | Qzot | Yes. 1/3 is the switch. |
| 19:00.58 | Wobin | UC as a city is horrible to get around |
| 19:01.06 | Qzot | zenzelezz: Lol. |
| 19:01.24 | Wobin | I'd say IF is one of the easiest laid out cities (apart from the bloody gutter) |
| 19:01.24 | End | for someone unfamiliar with it, UC is really bad, but's okay when you know where things are |
| 19:01.38 | Qzot | I often see one-day spikes in the data. Could be caused by a raid or an RP event. Don't know. |
| 19:01.39 | Wobin | End: If they had a fireman's pole to get in, I'd go to UC |
| 19:01.41 | End | I got so lost the firce time I went to UC |
| 19:01.44 | End | hehe |
| 19:01.51 | Wobin | and a catapult to get out |
| 19:01.55 | End | I got killed by the elevator last night :( |
| 19:02.01 | Ktron | damn stupid chat thing |
| 19:02.05 | Wobin | I'd pay a few copper for that privalidge each time |
| 19:02.07 | Qzot | Heh. I hate being killed by the elevator. |
| 19:02.13 | End | door to elevator opened, I ran in and fell to my death |
| 19:02.16 | Wobin | horrible H&S risk =P |
| 19:02.37 | Qzot | My problem is that if you stall getting out of the elevator, you drop after the elevator does. |
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| 19:02.44 | Ktron | heh, Kaso's code from early is broken... alright, time to see if I can pull this off |
| 19:02.55 | End | well I was dead at the bottom of the elevator |
| 19:02.58 | End | so I rezzed outside of it |
| 19:03.04 | Kaso | broken? |
| 19:03.52 | End | (I'm not even sure -where- the actual elevator was when it killed me...) |
| 19:04.18 | Mikk1 | Sucks having pets in UC I tell you |
| 19:04.26 | Kaso | your not a horde unless youve been killed by the UC at least once |
| 19:04.35 | Wobin | or multiple times |
| 19:04.40 | Mikk1 | *raise* |
| 19:04.59 | End | I had never been killed by the elevator til last night |
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| 19:05.20 | Mikk1 | nn. nnnnnn ... n .nnnn. nub! |
| 19:05.24 | Mikk1 | =P |
| 19:05.34 | End | another thing about UC: I keep forgetting I can use my mount |
| 19:05.35 | Tain | I once died multiple times in a row at the same elevator trying to get back |
| 19:05.37 | Qzot | I thought about asking a favor of an alliance toon to drag the innkeeper from Brill to the top of the zep tower, and let me set my hearthstone there. |
| 19:05.52 | Mikk1 | BWHAHAHA |
| 19:05.55 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 19:05.55 | Mikk1 | Is that even possible? |
| 19:06.01 | Qzot | Dunno. I've heard it is. |
| 19:06.06 | Mikk1 | Wow |
| 19:06.08 | End | interesting... |
| 19:06.08 | Kaso | doest seem right |
| 19:06.11 | Ktron | http://wow.pastecode.com/552 will that code hook AddMessage correctly, and add '>>' before every line? |
| 19:06.16 | Kaso | i assume they'd have a fixed teleport point |
| 19:06.27 | Tain | My initial thought would be, "Not likely." But I'm not willing to stake anything on it. :) |
| 19:06.42 | Qzot | I think it actually remembers *your* position and orientation at the point you set your hearthstone. |
| 19:06.42 | Kirkburn | Surely you can't interact with an NPC under attack |
| 19:06.43 | Mikk1 | Ktron: no |
| 19:07.03 | zenzelezz | is it just me or did they improve weather effects in 1.11? |
| 19:07.11 | Kirkburn | ooh, how? |
| 19:07.16 | Tain | Dunno zenzelezz, I just see smoke everywhere. |
| 19:07.21 | Mikk1 | http://wow.pastecode.com/553 |
| 19:07.39 | Wobin | hm |
| 19:07.56 | Ktron | Mikk1, ah... |
| 19:08.05 | Kaso | dont you need . instead of : Mikk1 |
| 19:08.24 | Mikk1 | Arf yes |
| 19:08.30 | Mikk1 | Don't blame me |
| 19:08.46 | Ktron | http://wow.pastecode.com/554 then |
| 19:08.48 | Qzot | Grabbing some lunch. Brb. |
| 19:09.02 | Mikk1 | Seems about right |
| 19:09.03 | Ktron | Yeah, Mikk1 was trying to fix my code |
| 19:09.58 | Mikk1 | Will obviously only work for ONE window, so http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Hook_chat_frames_to_modify_or_suppress_messages is what you want =) |
| 19:10.30 | SinePi | zenzelezz: you mean, Stormwind getting all foggy and gloomy under the rain? |
| 19:10.45 | Ktron | mine didn't work |
| 19:11.07 | Mikk1 | mine does =) |
| 19:11.09 | Kaso | did you call MyMod_HookAllChatFrames()? |
| 19:11.10 | Mikk1 | at least Kaso says it does |
| 19:11.19 | zenzelezz | I mean the weather effects in general... I don't recall them being this good in 1.10 |
| 19:11.28 | zenzelezz | the rain seemed "simpler" in Un'Goro, etc |
| 19:12.12 | Kirkburn | It wouldn't surprise me if it's been improved |
| 19:13.02 | Kirkburn | it's not something you stick in the changelog, cause you'd only get flamed when the difference isn't noticeable |
| 19:13.36 | Mikk1 | Plus they basically said they'd be tweaking weather in the future in 1.10 patch notes |
| 19:13.51 | Mikk1 | s/basically/actually/ |
| 19:13.54 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 19:14.01 | Kaso | chcked that hook code again, it does work. |
| 19:14.06 | Kirkburn | Ta have it in the cities would be nice |
| 19:14.10 | Kirkburn | *to |
| 19:14.24 | Ktron | http://wow.pastecode.com/555 is running in World of Warcraft for me right now, shouldn't it hide any line with 'autohidethis' in it? |
| 19:14.28 | Ktron | because it isn't |
| 19:14.29 | Kirkburn | Yes, not IF obviously |
| 19:14.50 | Kirkburn | (Ironforge, not me having problems with code there!) |
| 19:14.58 | Kaso | Ktron you need to called LFGRelevance_HookAllChatFrames() before itll start hiding |
| 19:15.03 | End | or undercity |
| 19:15.10 | Kirkburn | heh, no |
| 19:15.17 | Kirkburn | I've never ever been to undercity, it's crazy |
| 19:15.25 | Ktron | Kaso, oh, that's true... if I just put that at the end, will it work? |
| 19:15.31 | Wobin | Heh |
| 19:15.34 | Kirkburn | I rode Warburn to the entrance once, but that's it |
| 19:15.39 | Ktron | Kaso, or do I need to make an OnLoad thing? |
| 19:15.45 | Wobin | I'd so want this for my priestess http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2695/crownoffestival1oj.jpg |
| 19:15.49 | Kaso | put it in the Onload |
| 19:15.53 | Wobin | but I can't see her doing the horde city run |
| 19:16.03 | Mikk1 | Both will work, but Onload is the "right" way to do it |
| 19:16.25 | Ktron | well, that means I need to look back and figure out how to hook events in lua |
| 19:16.47 | Kaso | Hooking is great once you figure it out |
| 19:17.13 | End | hmm |
| 19:17.15 | Mikk1 | Heck, even this works: |
| 19:17.16 | Mikk1 | local oldSomeFunc = SomeGlobalThing(foo) |
| 19:17.16 | Mikk1 | function SomeGlobalThing(foo) |
| 19:17.16 | Mikk1 | ... |
| 19:17.16 | Mikk1 | end |
| 19:17.27 | Mikk1 | err, stick in an oldSomeFunc call in there |
| 19:17.36 | Mikk1 | It's ugly as heck but it works =P |
| 19:17.49 | Ktron | http://wow.pastecode.com/556 perhaps? |
| 19:18.10 | End | Mikk1, is the (foo) intended on the first line there? |
| 19:18.19 | Mikk1 | err no |
| 19:18.20 | Ktron | heh, nope, causing stack overflows now |
| 19:18.27 | Mikk1 | Ktron: you're re-hooking on every darn chat message |
| 19:18.40 | Ktron | lol, forgot to change the event heh |
| 19:18.42 | End | haha |
| 19:19.29 | Mikk1 | and since your function was the one on the top, you store a pointer to your function and call it from your function, which calls your function, which calls your function, etc... |
| 19:19.35 | Wobin | hm |
| 19:19.37 | Wobin | Rogue Review |
| 19:19.49 | Ktron | what event do I want? |
| 19:19.58 | Mikk1 | ADDON_LOADED |
| 19:20.04 | Ktron | okay, thanks |
| 19:21.23 | Ktron | http://wow.pastecode.com/557 still causes stack overflows heh |
| 19:21.31 | Ktron | hm.... |
| 19:22.24 | Kaso | you'll need to put some event handler in to tell if its a LOADED or Chat msg even |
| 19:22.31 | wereHamster | Ktron, you should check for arg1 == "YourAddon" in the event handler |
| 19:22.33 | Kaso | event |
| 19:22.34 | Wobin | "The thrasher pecks and scuffs at the crumbly dirt, then wallows belly down in it, feathers sticking up, tail spread, looking about as undignified as a bird can look without a beanie and a kazoo." |
| 19:22.40 | Wobin | I love this woman's way with words |
| 19:23.10 | wereHamster | otherwise you'll hook the chatframe functions everytime an addon is loaded which can be quite a few times.. |
| 19:23.37 | Wobin | "The Rose of Sharon hedge bloomed. It is lavender. I am not opposed to lavender, but that particular shade--Regrettable Bridesmaid Dress Lavender--will take a little getting used to." |
| 19:23.47 | End | lol |
| 19:23.56 | Ktron | http://wow.pastecode.com/558 |
| 19:24.27 | Ktron | Yep, that did it :) |
| 19:24.35 | Ktron | Kaso, Mikk1, kudos |
| 19:25.15 | Kaso | I need to move some of my addons over to using CreateFrame |
| 19:25.25 | Kaso | im too stuck it the old ways |
| 19:25.55 | Wobin | CreateFrame is the wave of the future |
| 19:26.14 | wereHamster | Ktron, and why not simply hooking the chatframe functions right away instead when you receive the event? ChatFrame1 etc should be available when WoW parses the lua files |
| 19:26.52 | Ktron | because I was told it was better practice to have them hook on an event I think? |
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| 19:27.52 | wereHamster | I don't see a difference in hooking at an event or right away.. can someone please explain why it's better practice? |
| 19:28.44 | Qzot | Because bigger is bigger, and more is more: http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/citymigration/citymigration-pvp-horde2.gif |
| 19:31.07 | Kirkburn | Woop, this proves it's not my fault people are getting '...' http://www.somewhatrandom.net//imgs/fucked.jpg |
| 19:31.11 | zenzelezz | what is the vertical scale? (Ie. what does "1" mean?) |
| 19:31.13 | Kirkburn | (sorry about the name) |
| 19:31.25 | End | %? |
| 19:31.51 | End | (well, maybe not percent by definition of per 100) |
| 19:31.55 | Qzot | 1 = 100% of the population found in capitol cities right then. |
| 19:31.55 | End | (per one?) |
| 19:33.17 | Kirkburn | capital, capitol is a building :P |
| 19:33.36 | End | copital |
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| 19:33.57 | ToastTheif | okay, Im having some visor troubles |
| 19:34.26 | ToastTheif | I'll go ask in WoWAce |
| 19:35.11 | Qzot | Kirkburn: ty |
| 19:36.09 | Qzot | Slighly updated: http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/citymigration/citymigration-pvp-horde2.g |
| 19:36.12 | Qzot | +if |
| 19:37.29 | Kirkburn | No worky |
| 19:38.19 | Qzot | Yeah. *Now* it's updated. I hope. |
| 19:38.49 | Mikk1 | Arf just plot standard deviation symbols =P |
| 19:39.21 | Ktron | in regex for lua, how do you match a '['? '\[' doesn't seem to work, and I'm looking at the wowiki page but not seeing it |
| 19:39.35 | Mikk1 | %[ innit? |
| 19:39.43 | Qzot | Lua doesn't really have regex. |
| 19:39.57 | Kirkburn | Oh worky now |
| 19:40.01 | Qzot | Mikk1 is right, I think. |
| 19:40.10 | Mikk1 | Lua doesn't use \ for regex escaping since they have to obey string escaping rules as well |
| 19:40.15 | Mikk1 | so you'd have to do \\[ |
| 19:40.16 | Mikk1 | duh |
| 19:40.34 | Qzot | The other approach is to use [[ ]] strings. |
| 19:40.48 | Mikk1 | ?! |
| 19:40.54 | Mikk1 | [[ foo ]] is a string? |
| 19:41.05 | Qzot | Yes. With 5 chars. |
| 19:41.06 | Cide | yes |
| 19:41.15 | Qzot | And *no* escaping. |
| 19:41.24 | Mikk1 | Does it grok multiline? |
| 19:41.37 | Mikk1 | (And will it use the embedded LFs?) |
| 19:41.40 | Qzot | foo = [["I want all of Grandma's string," she said.]] |
| 19:41.50 | Qzot | Oh, yes. |
| 19:41.57 | Mikk1 | WHY HAS NOONE TOLD ME OF THIS?! |
| 19:42.01 | Qzot | I just did. |
| 19:42.35 | Qzot | I esp like multiline strings with string.gfind(s, "[^\n]*") as in iterator. |
| 19:45.16 | End | the problem is if you want ]] in the string |
| 19:45.26 | Qzot | Yup. |
| 19:45.47 | Ktron | so, [[[]] or \\[ |
| 19:45.47 | Qzot | Instead of ]], you must use ]] + "]]" + [[ |
| 19:46.18 | Qzot | In practice, I have not found this to be a serious detriment. |
| 19:47.00 | End | or, you convince slouken to upgrade to 5.1 :P |
| 19:47.10 | Qzot | Something changes in 5.1? |
| 19:47.13 | End | there is a [=[ sort of format |
| 19:47.22 | Qzot | Ah. |
| 19:47.34 | End | "long brackets" |
| 19:47.44 | Qzot | Doesn't sound like the strongest reason to get them to upgrade. :P |
| 19:47.45 | Mikk1 | Ah, I see --[[ ]] is actually [[ ]] at work. |
| 19:47.52 | Qzot | Hehe. |
| 19:48.06 | End | pffft, it's a great reason to upgrade! |
| 19:48.28 | Mikk1 | Upgrading to 5.1 will break so many mods it's not even funny |
| 19:48.29 | Qzot | Blizz generates *network* issues with every content upgrade. |
| 19:48.41 | Mikk1 | "for a,b in sometable do" <-- forget that |
| 19:48.54 | End | most people don't use that form anyways I think |
| 19:48.55 | Qzot | I would just as soon they leave lua alone, thankyouverymuch. |
| 19:48.57 | Ktron | local x = string.find(msg, [[[7]]); still doesn't work... I need to match '[7' w/o quotes |
| 19:49.09 | Ktron | ~lart lua |
| 19:49.22 | Mikk1 | Ktron: string.find(msg, "%[7%.") |
| 19:49.35 | Mikk1 | or did you want the period? |
| 19:49.49 | Mikk1 | string.find(msg, "[7.", true) works also |
| 19:49.52 | Mikk1 | er |
| 19:49.54 | Mikk1 | no wait |
| 19:50.01 | Mikk1 | string.find(msg, "[7.", 1, true) |
| 19:50.01 | End | yeah you need to "escape" the [ |
| 19:50.08 | Ktron | it doesn't matter if I find it or not, just trying to make sure I've got a line of channel 7 |
| 19:50.13 | End | or specify plain |
| 19:50.18 | End | like Mikk1 is doing with the true flag |
| 19:50.18 | Mikk1 | (which i did above) |
| 19:50.46 | Mikk1 | Though I'd want something a bit more thorough that doesn't match random occurences of [7. in the middle of the line |
| 19:51.05 | Qzot | Try string.find(msg, "[7", 1, true) |
| 19:51.14 | Mikk1 | ~lart Qzot |
| 19:51.17 | Mikk1 | I already said that! |
| 19:51.23 | Mikk1 | Omg I got an uberlart |
| 19:51.28 | End | string.find(msg, "[7", 1, true) == 1 |
| 19:51.34 | End | (I think) |
| 19:51.37 | Qzot | Ah. But I hadn't. And that's what was import. |
| 19:51.49 | End | (I don't remember, is there anything before [7. Blah?) |
| 19:51.51 | Mikk1 | End: Hm, no, I think there's colorization bullshit in the beginning |
| 19:51.53 | Qzot | s/rt/rtant/ |
| 19:52.06 | End | Mikk1: hmm, possibly |
| 19:52.14 | End | and timestamping addons might mess you up as well |
| 19:52.26 | Mikk1 | string.find(msg, "[7", 1, true) < 10 <-- perhaps |
| 19:52.29 | Mikk1 | absolutely true |
| 19:52.49 | Qzot | Mikk1: What are you trying to do, exactly? |
| 19:52.52 | Ktron | Mikk1, that's true |
| 19:52.56 | Mikk1 | I'm not, Ktron is |
| 19:53.12 | Qzot | Mikk1: What is Ktron trying to do, exactly? |
| 19:53.15 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 19:53.15 | Ktron | Qzot, I'm trying, at the moment, to be able to selectively hide messages on channel 7 |
| 19:53.42 | Mikk1 | I'd filter by channel name, not number |
| 19:54.05 | Ktron | there's lots of addons that hide channel names though |
| 19:54.11 | Mikk1 | "%[LFG.*spam" -> /dev/null |
| 19:54.14 | Ktron | most keep at least '[#.' |
| 19:54.17 | Mikk1 | true |
| 19:54.48 | Ktron | and truthfully, the channel I have in mind is LFG |
| 19:54.59 | Ktron | so... it will always be 4, 7 is just for testing |
| 19:55.00 | Mikk1 | Ktron: save a bunch of chat messages to a SavedVariable and inspect it with a regular text editor |
| 19:55.11 | Mikk1 | It'll tell you much more about what actually comes flying in the string |
| 19:55.14 | End | oh |
| 19:55.23 | End | arg1, arg2, etc etc are probably still preserved |
| 19:55.33 | Ktron | hm |
| 19:55.50 | Mikk1 | oooooh good point there End |
| 19:55.51 | Cide | if you're capturing a chat event |
| 19:55.53 | Mikk1 | bit ugly but |
| 19:56.07 | Mikk1 | maybe even "event" |
| 19:56.12 | Mikk1 | damn, i need to make use of that in my addon |
| 19:56.13 | Cide | there's an arg# variable with channel number, I believe |
| 19:56.17 | End | yeah |
| 19:56.19 | End | well |
| 19:56.19 | Mikk1 | I'm doing butt-ugly regexp filtering atm |
| 19:56.24 | End | arg4 |
| 19:56.31 | End | but it has channel name in it too |
| 19:56.36 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.37 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.39 | Ktron | arg8 is just number I believe |
| 19:56.50 | End | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_C_%28Cancel%2C_Character%2C_Chat%2C_Cinematic%2C_Clear%2C_Close%2C_Confirm%2C_Corpse%2C_Craft%2C_Current%2C_Cursor%2C_CVar%29#CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL |
| 19:56.56 | End | ewww, long url :( |
| 19:57.07 | Cide | arg8: channel number |
| 19:57.08 | End | Ktron: oh, you're right |
| 19:57.16 | End | I don't look that far down :X |
| 19:57.20 | Mikk1 | I still think someone should just rip out blizzard's ChatFrame implementation and replace it with Something Better |
| 19:57.38 | End | heh |
| 19:57.44 | Ktron | heh indeed |
| 19:58.39 | Mikk1 | I want ctrl-f in chatframes! I want MORE chat frames! I want dockable frames in more than just one spot! |
| 19:58.47 | Mikk1 | I want shared chat frame settings between characters! |
| 19:58.51 | Mikk1 | I.. i.. i... |
| 19:58.52 | End | Mikk1: so write it ;p |
| 19:59.08 | Mikk1 | #include <default-wowi-lounge-excuse.txt> |
| 19:59.28 | End | int main(int argc, char *argv) { abort(); } |
| 19:59.56 | Mikk1 | you forgot char makeproglookbig[64*1024*1024]; |
| 20:00.00 | End | well |
| 20:00.04 | End | I didn't even get my args right |
| 20:00.05 | Wobin | The midsummer maypole thing is highly reminsicent of Revenge of the Sith |
| 20:00.17 | End | in particualr, argv |
| 20:00.37 | Mikk1 | Wobin: Go to austria or sweden then =P |
| 20:01.01 | Wobin | I mean ingame =) |
| 20:01.05 | Mikk1 | (Then again, I have no idea what you're talking about since I haven't even bloody logged on) |
| 20:01.11 | Wobin | Oh, you'll see |
| 20:02.58 | Mikk1 | Speaking of writing stuff... has someone already written a mod that can /who basically the whole damn server? |
| 20:03.11 | End | sounds a bit like Census+ |
| 20:03.33 | End | I haven't used that addon in a year probably though |
| 20:04.07 | Mikk1 | It seems fairly simple to me... Just iterate /who "a", whoops too many, "aa", "ab", "ac... "az", "b", whoops too many "ba", whoops still too many, "baa", "bab".. |
| 20:04.18 | End | it does it by level and class first |
| 20:04.27 | End | if that fails -then- it does by name too |
| 20:04.42 | Mikk1 | Aye but I was more thinking along the lines of /who molten core and stuff like that |
| 20:04.47 | End | ahhh |
| 20:05.00 | End | that's different than census+ |
| 20:05.09 | End | since census+ was all about the numbers for the most part |
| 20:07.35 | Kaso | theres a 3 second delay on whos isnt there? |
| 20:07.47 | netcurse | na |
| 20:07.55 | End | I think between whos |
| 20:08.11 | Kaso | yeh i meant between sorry, |
| 20:08.15 | Mikk1 | And just having a mod that reacts on the server refusing to send a response and re-sending it would be great too |
| 20:08.16 | End | so you can do /who blah (delay) /who blarg (delay) /who butter |
| 20:08.36 | Ktron | there's QueueWho I think |
| 20:08.57 | Ktron | Which automatically queues up and sends them when enough time has past between requests |
| 20:13.08 | Ktron | a%d?a matches a0a through a9a and aa right? |
| 20:13.35 | Legorol | yes |
| 20:13.49 | Kirkburn | Can someone reply to this thread for me to the effect that it's not ClearFont doign i |
| 20:13.57 | Ktron | awesome, one day I'll get the hang of this |
| 20:13.57 | Kirkburn | bleh, damn enter button |
| 20:14.01 | Kirkburn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=398266&p=1&tmp=1#post398266 |
| 20:14.27 | Kirkburn | (please =) |
| 20:14.43 | Legorol | Kirkburn, i'll see if i can log in |
| 20:15.14 | Kirkburn | ta |
| 20:15.16 | netcurse | Hi kirk |
| 20:15.24 | Ktron | Kirkburn, done |
| 20:15.29 | Legorol | hey netcurse, did you get my comment? |
| 20:15.33 | netcurse | No sir |
| 20:15.53 | netcurse | i left the other irc online at my sister s flat |
| 20:16.01 | netcurse | forgot to turn it off:) |
| 20:16.05 | Legorol | ah |
| 20:16.11 | Legorol | ok then I'll PM you |
| 20:16.36 | Kirkburn | Hey net |
| 20:17.43 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, did you find out what's causing the font issues? |
| 20:18.58 | Kirkburn | Nope, but it's not ClearFont |
| 20:19.04 | Legorol | Kirkburn: done |
| 20:19.13 | wereHamster | how can you be sure? |
| 20:19.15 | Kirkburn | http://img199.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dotdotdot0zj.jpg |
| 20:19.28 | Kirkburn | No sign of my addon in that screenshot |
| 20:19.49 | netcurse | wereHamster wie gehts? |
| 20:20.07 | wereHamster | sehr gut, danke der nachfrage netcurse ;) |
| 20:20.23 | Kirkburn | Legorol, you could have been a little less, er, definite, y'know ;) |
| 20:21.35 | Kirkburn | Ktron, I never saw a comment from you appear? |
| 20:21.47 | Ktron | it's there now, forgot to pick the person |
| 20:21.55 | End | Kirkburn: ok, I added a post to that effect |
| 20:21.59 | Ktron | I'm 'Devis' |
| 20:22.13 | Mikk1 | hahaha |
| 20:22.18 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:22.28 | Kirkburn | Madmen |
| 20:22.47 | Legorol | Kirkburn: nothing wrong with having self-confidence ;-) |
| 20:22.53 | Legorol | beleive in yourself! |
| 20:22.54 | Kirkburn | Bah |
| 20:23.09 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 20:23.15 | Mikk1 | "Clearfont author states that he would prefer if people not talk about him so much in passive tense and third person." |
| 20:23.21 | End | Legorol: I have passed Kirkburn's second message along that is addressed to you so that you don't have to post it yourself |
| 20:23.35 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I noticed :P |
| 20:23.51 | Kirkburn | Heh, Mikk1, if only I could post there ;) |
| 20:23.59 | Mikk1 | same =P |
| 20:24.05 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 20:24.22 | Mikk1 | I'd kill for US Interface Customization forums access sometimes |
| 20:24.29 | Mikk1 | The EU ones are "huhwah?" |
| 20:24.38 | End | huhwah? |
| 20:24.41 | End | HUHWAH? |
| 20:24.57 | Mikk1 | "PLZ HELP" |
| 20:25.12 | End | plzhelpkthxbui |
| 20:25.18 | Kaso | Ha ha |
| 20:25.19 | Kaso | so true |
| 20:25.26 | Mikk1 | "Cna someon write a macro to cast <spell 1> and then <spell 2> Thx!" |
| 20:25.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Sidely (n=saeris@dsl-179-146.dynamic-dsl.frii.net) |
| 20:26.12 | Mikk1 | "A friend of mine had this really cool UI, and it had bars on the left that were yellow, but I can't find it. Does anyone know where to download it?" |
| 20:26.27 | Ktron | my favorite golden oldie is "i ned a fshing mcro 2 fish 4 me any1 plz help!!" |
| 20:26.34 | Ktron | except I forgot it should have been in all caps |
| 20:26.38 | Mikk1 | hahaha |
| 20:26.49 | Sidely | Hi there folks. Just stopping by to raise awareness about a bug in BuffButton_Update. Details here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=399287 |
| 20:27.06 | Cairenn | hi Sidely, thanks for the info |
| 20:30.14 | Qzot | "No. I knwo you cna cast 2 spellz in 1 macro. I saw my freind do it." |
| 20:30.43 | zenzelezz | "[an error occurred while processing this directive]" -- blasted Alla |
| 20:30.47 | zenzelezz | +khazam |
| 20:31.51 | Qzot | Query: I conjecture that farmers in capital (see, Kirkburn?) cities are nearly 100% level 60 or level <5. Agree? |
| 20:32.04 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 20:33.24 | Ktron | idk |
| 20:33.25 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zinor (n=unix@dslb-088-064-178-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:33.28 | zinor | hi all |
| 20:33.48 | Ktron | farmers do buy skills, don't they? |
| 20:34.18 | Qzot | Buy skills? |
| 20:36.38 | zenzelezz | color me disappointed at the "improvement" in logging back in after you get disconnected |
| 20:36.48 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 20:37.01 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24561&posted=1#post24561 |
| 20:37.02 | gnorlish | did they just take away the msg or is it just me |
| 20:37.03 | Qzot | Now, you can get immediately re-disconnected. |
| 20:37.04 | Cairenn | ROFLMAO |
| 20:37.20 | zenzelezz | gnorlish: that's the only thing I see |
| 20:37.25 | zenzelezz | took me a few tries before I even figured that |
| 20:37.32 | zenzelezz | "wtf, didn't I just click "Enter"? |
| 20:37.38 | zinor | you got that much money for WoWI? |
| 20:37.58 | Cairenn | ROFLMAO |
| 20:38.02 | zinor | you should giver me some :) |
| 20:38.17 | zinor | i need car |
| 20:38.35 | Cairenn | that is SO funny, honestly |
| 20:38.40 | Qzot | 275k??? o.O |
| 20:38.50 | zenzelezz | too much info |
| 20:38.58 | Qzot | Cnet said is was only like $135k. |
| 20:38.58 | zinor | oh its not true? |
| 20:39.16 | Cairenn | yeah ... if I had gotten 275k for the site, I wouldn't be in the process of declaring bankruptcy next week ... next? |
| 20:39.21 | Cairenn | hahahahhahahahhahahaha |
| 20:39.28 | netcurse | Qzot what? |
| 20:39.33 | Qzot | j/k |
| 20:39.35 | netcurse | lol |
| 20:39.41 | zinor | O.o |
| 20:40.08 | zinor | i thought ige paid a lot for sites? |
| 20:41.34 | zinor | you should have told them you wanted 2 millon i think |
| 20:46.25 | SinePi | Hmmm. I'm collecting virtual bids now. What would you bid on - that Blizzard will come to their senses within a day or two and revert the totally broken LFG channel to how it was before the brilliant idea to make it global, or will they leave it like it is for a week or two? :P |
| 20:47.34 | Qzot | Or find a 3rd option to save face. |
| 20:47.46 | gnorlish | we already know their save face option |
| 20:47.50 | Qzot | I.e., go to an EQ2 style which is at least level graded. |
| 20:47.55 | gnorlish | "working as intended" |
| 20:48.07 | End | gnorlish: they already said that ;p |
| 20:48.15 | gnorlish | then they're done commenting on it |
| 20:48.20 | zinor | did they not give you anything Cairenn? |
| 20:48.33 | Qzot | I'd like the spam, spam, spam, spam, LFG, spam and spam, please. |
| 20:48.38 | zinor | thats mean :( |
| 20:48.42 | Cairenn | this is not news folks, we've been over this before |
| 20:49.13 | Qzot | Oh. But Cairenn, there are *new* vultures to feed. :D |
| 20:59.12 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=chatzill@ns.motek-services.com) |
| 21:00.13 | Guillotine | heya. we have a noob invading the WoWI forums. I hate how every mod site is becoming overrun with them... including the official UI& Macros forum |
| 21:00.50 | Qzot | I resent that, Guillotine. I'm not a *complete* noob. :P |
| 21:01.07 | Guillotine | O RLY? |
| 21:01.14 | Qzot | hehe |
| 21:01.18 | Guillotine | (sorry. it was too tempting ;P) |
| 21:01.25 | Qzot | (I know.) |
| 21:01.59 | Cairenn | Guillotine: your response isn't quite accurate, btw |
| 21:02.02 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MoonWolf (n=moonwolf@f176182.upc-f.chello.nl) |
| 21:02.10 | Qzot | uh oh |
| 21:02.13 | Guillotine | dang |
| 21:02.16 | Guillotine | I guess I'm the noob :( |
| 21:02.27 | Kirkburn | Hehe: http://myextralife.com/archive.php?date=2006-06-21 |
| 21:02.43 | Guillotine | well, at least I said in the post that I didn't know all the facts |
| 21:03.15 | zinor | actually |
| 21:03.17 | zinor | ige bought ogaming a long time ago |
| 21:03.20 | zinor | from what i understand |
| 21:03.25 | zinor | before ogaming aquired wowi |
| 21:04.08 | Guillotine | well, either way, the money goes to the parent company, not to IGE (again, just what I heard) |
| 21:04.25 | zinor | from what i understand |
| 21:04.34 | zinor | ogaming was owned by one guy, who couldnt afford it, when ige was just starting |
| 21:04.39 | zinor | ige bought ogaming and employed that guy |
| 21:04.46 | zinor | that guyt hen purchased thottbot through ige |
| 21:04.56 | zinor | and later quit ogaming/ige |
| 21:05.03 | zinor | ige then founded rpg holdings |
| 21:05.16 | zinor | err well |
| 21:05.20 | zinor | ya i think its in that order |
| 21:05.28 | netcurse | the guy= yantis |
| 21:05.30 | zinor | and rpg holdings now "owns" ogaming, and bought allakhazam |
| 21:05.31 | Cairenn | lalala, and here we go yet again on a topic that has been beaten completely to death |
| 21:05.38 | zinor | im just clariying the situation |
| 21:05.51 | netcurse | that s the guy that tried to buy curse last time |
| 21:05.52 | zinor | zam.com is basically ige's attempt to unify all their assets because they are losing a lot of money on sites lke thottbot now |
| 21:05.53 | Tain | My brother's friend heard someone at Walmat say he read a website that printed a rumour that Bill Gates owns IGE |
| 21:06.21 | Gryphen | I'd sell to IGE in an instant |
| 21:06.24 | zinor | Tain, except the "someone" in this situation is the founder of ogaming as well as someone who just got fired from ogaming, and walmart is the internet :) |
| 21:06.25 | Mikk1 | wowi peeps: If I wanted a rough "wowi has X addons available", I'd look in the statistics box at the bottom and get 1,111, correct? |
| 21:06.28 | Guillotine | Dead Horse takes 15 damage |
| 21:06.30 | Guillotine | Dead Horse dies. |
| 21:06.30 | zinor | (I just got done talking to her 10 mins ago) |
| 21:06.31 | Guillotine | You attack Dead Horse |
| 21:06.34 | zinor | Gryphen, me too :) |
| 21:06.41 | netcurse | me not |
| 21:06.42 | netcurse | :) |
| 21:06.57 | Tain | Yeah love the clarifying. "I think this happened and I talekd to someone who said this." |
| 21:07.00 | Guillotine | guys, I think you have to own a website to sell to IGE... |
| 21:07.03 | Tain | Of course the bottom line is, "Who cares." |
| 21:07.12 | Cairenn | Tain, precisely |
| 21:07.24 | zinor | Tain, the thing with this is, a lot of people care |
| 21:07.37 | zinor | thats why it always gets brought up i think |
| 21:07.55 | Tain | It gets brought up because people love fictional conspiracy theory drama. |
| 21:08.07 | Guillotine | you know, the CIA is trying to kill me :( |
| 21:08.08 | zinor | fiction implies false |
| 21:08.12 | zinor | Guillotine, you too? :) |
| 21:08.19 | Guillotine | just b/c I'm paranoid doesn't mean their not after me |
| 21:08.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252) |
| 21:08.26 | Gryphen | <Guillotine> guys, I think you have to own a website to sell to IGE... |
| 21:08.29 | Gryphen | how many do they want? |
| 21:08.32 | Tem | which one of you is Shag? |
| 21:08.34 | Mikk1 | Cairenn: If I wanted to say "wowi has about <foo> addons total", I'd look in the box at the bottom and say "1,111", correct? |
| 21:08.40 | Guillotine | gryphen: you have a website? |
| 21:08.42 | Gryphen | lots |
| 21:08.49 | Guillotine | Mikk1: ROFL |
| 21:08.51 | Cairenn | yes, Gryphen does |
| 21:08.56 | wereHamster | ~emulate wereHamster |
| 21:09.02 | Cairenn | Mikk1: yess |
| 21:09.05 | Mikk1 | aight |
| 21:09.11 | Guillotine | well, that I didn't know |
| 21:09.12 | wereHamster | purl, tell Tem something about me |
| 21:09.13 | Tem | wereHamster, purl hateses you |
| 21:09.17 | zinor | yes Gryphen is website monster :) |
| 21:09.17 | Mikk1 | (just trying to drive home the futility of Category:AddOns on the wiki) |
| 21:09.21 | Cairenn | bottom of the downloads page, download stats |
| 21:09.50 | Tem | wereHamster, you're Shag, yes? |
| 21:10.07 | wereHamster | purl should know that... but yes, I am.. |
| 21:10.11 | Tem | why do people run and hide when I'm looking for them? |
| 21:10.16 | Guillotine | who's shag? |
| 21:10.19 | Guillotine | Tem: try a shower |
| 21:10.24 | Tem | har |
| 21:10.31 | netcurse | Gryphen |
| 21:10.39 | Tem | wereHamster, PM |
| 21:10.41 | netcurse | so you would be me |
| 21:10.49 | Gryphen | ? |
| 21:10.52 | netcurse | you would have accept that 2 millions 500K dollar offer they made me ? :) |
| 21:11.09 | Gryphen | I would accept 5k |
| 21:11.16 | Gryphen | lol |
| 21:11.19 | zinor | Gryphen, they're rich, you can at least get 10x the value ;) |
| 21:11.20 | Kirkburn | Btw, I think Mikk was trying to point out there's exactly 1,111 addons on WoWI atm |
| 21:11.33 | netcurse | maybe i m just the only one that wouldn t sleep well in making such money on the back of other people work :) |
| 21:11.48 | Gryphen | you are one of the few |
| 21:11.53 | Gryphen | that is how every site sold is done |
| 21:12.08 | Gryphen | by other people input to sites make them worth what they are |
| 21:12.13 | Kirkburn | If you have principle, stick to them. |
| 21:12.17 | Kirkburn | *principles |
| 21:12.24 | Tain | Making money on teh backs of other people's work is the American way! |
| 21:12.37 | zinor | ah so Cairenn you dont make any money? |
| 21:12.37 | Gryphen | net isnt american, that is why :D |
| 21:12.43 | zinor | you should tell them you want a cut since you do most of the work |
| 21:12.51 | Guillotine | netcurse: I do kind of agree with that. I mean, if it was a website who's success was built on its owner's content, yay, sell it. but when the entire success (well, most) is from users... |
| 21:12.52 | Kirkburn | It's a silly topic anyway, as pretty much *none* of us can actually give a real answer |
| 21:12.55 | zinor | net is foreign like me! |
| 21:13.30 | Kirkburn | heh, I think most here are :) |
| 21:13.38 | netcurse | Kirkburn i can give any answer tbh :) ige has been around me for more than one year, even yantis tried to buy curse after he left ige:) |
| 21:13.55 | Kirkburn | Well, yes, you can :) But few others :P |
| 21:13.55 | Cairenn | this is the internet, no one is "foreign" |
| 21:14.01 | netcurse | i m prolly the best personn to talk about that but i don t do it, i m not realy a drama whore :) |
| 21:14.05 | Guillotine | ya, how can you be foreign? |
| 21:14.13 | Gryphen | netcurse: fooled me :D |
| 21:14.18 | Cairenn | it's an international community |
| 21:14.19 | Kirkburn | If you're from another planet? |
| 21:14.24 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:14.28 | Cairenn | perhaps then, yes |
| 21:14.29 | Kirkburn | (that'd make me foreign, natch) |
| 21:14.33 | Guillotine | lol |
| 21:14.34 | Cairenn | hey Iriel :) |
| 21:14.35 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 21:14.46 | Guillotine | hey Iriel. we're beating a dead horse ^_^ |
| 21:14.47 | Iriel | Hola |
| 21:14.56 | Kirkburn | Join us! |
| 21:14.58 | Iriel | Which one? There are /so/ many to choose from? |
| 21:14.59 | zinor | net is foreign! |
| 21:15.03 | Kirkburn | *thwack* |
| 21:15.12 | Guillotine | Iriel: IGE and all the sites |
| 21:15.18 | Tain | Keep illiegal immigrants off of the Internet! |
| 21:15.18 | Kirkburn | This one has IGE written on it |
| 21:15.28 | Iriel | Oh, that one, that's not even an interesting dead horse |
| 21:15.50 | Kirkburn | It's so old, it's rotting and gooey |
| 21:16.02 | Kirkburn | it's more like .... |
| 21:16.04 | Kirkburn | *splat* |
| 21:16.20 | Gryphen | not only old, but not going to change anything no matter how much it's talked about |
| 21:16.39 | Kirkburn | Haven't we just acheived what the troll wanted? ;) |
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| 21:16.46 | Gryphen | always |
| 21:18.40 | Tem | "Movepad has been blocked by an action only available to the standard interface" |
| 21:18.41 | Tem | ouch |
| 21:18.52 | Guillotine | but... isn't that the one Slouken made? |
| 21:18.58 | Tem | think the signing expires when it goes out of date? |
| 21:19.09 | Guillotine | could be. or they changed the function |
| 21:19.16 | Tem | or rather only works if the interface version is correct |
| 21:19.19 | Guillotine | you should probably post something about it on the ui boards |
| 21:19.30 | Iriel | Yeah, all we need is yet another stupid movepad post |
| 21:19.31 | Kirkburn | I would guess the signing out of date thing |
| 21:19.44 | Kirkburn | (as in it's signed for 11000 only) |
| 21:20.10 | Kirkburn | That way, if the addon is no longer allowed, people can't keep using it |
| 21:20.22 | Guillotine | yup. that makes sence |
| 21:20.50 | Iriel | Or else they changed the signing mechanism and forgot to update movepad |
| 21:21.02 | Cairenn | I've reminded the pirate about it |
| 21:21.11 | Guillotine | thats what I said (or meant anyway, with the changin the function thing) |
| 21:21.12 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 21:21.12 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net |
| 21:22.09 | Kirkburn | Time for some Kakuro |
| 21:27.13 | Mikk1 | Iriel: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_change_summaries :-) |
| 21:27.28 | Mikk1 | Seemed like a good idea =) |
| 21:29.10 | Tem | Cide, you around? |
| 21:29.15 | Cide | yes |
| 21:29.32 | Tem | why does CTRA still use player-created channels? |
| 21:29.52 | Tem | (by that I mean why not generate the name so you eliminate the need for channel broadcasts and all that nonsense) |
| 21:30.27 | Tem | the only disadvantage I can see is it's tough to keep backwards compatibility in |
| 21:30.59 | Tem | (but I've always said "screw you" to people running outdated versions of things) |
| 21:32.09 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Proposal_to_deprecate_addon_collection <== Plx vote :-) |
| 21:32.28 | Gryphen | Sky for CTRA! :D |
| 21:33.07 | Iriel | Mikk1 : It's a great idea as long as *I* dont have to do it 8-) |
| 21:33.17 | Mikk1 | I'm teh wikignome =) |
| 21:33.36 | Mikk1 | <-- 3500+ edits in one month |
| 21:33.54 | Iriel | When I had more free time I was quite active |
| 21:34.03 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 21:34.08 | chuckg | Anyone know what hte new colors around debuff signify? |
| 21:34.08 | Iriel | As you no doubt noticed from the plethora of dated talk entries |
| 21:34.10 | chuckg | Blue vs green vs red? |
| 21:34.14 | chuckg | Is that some type of priority? |
| 21:34.16 | Iriel | chuckg: Type of debuff |
| 21:34.18 | Kirkburn | What about me Mikk? ;) |
| 21:34.33 | Mikk1 | Erhmm.. you're some type of smelly dwarf I believe |
| 21:34.42 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:34.44 | Tem | Gryphen, I think at least we need a common "standardized" way to generate raid/guild channel names |
| 21:35.10 | Mikk1 | Tem: How do you generate a channel name from a raid group in a way that's guaranteed to be unique and repeatable? |
| 21:35.19 | Tem | go with the raid leader |
| 21:35.23 | Mikk1 | Raid leaders change |
| 21:35.27 | Tem | a problem with that is that raid leaders change |
| 21:35.28 | Gryphen | I believe Cide mentioned he liked the concept, the reason for no change yet is backwards compatability. |
| 21:35.38 | Gryphen | At least that is what I got from a convo I saw him have |
| 21:35.44 | Tem | figures |
| 21:35.50 | chuckg | So waht falls under what? |
| 21:35.53 | chuckg | It's not magic vs non-magic. |
| 21:36.00 | Tem | I know we change leaders a few times during the raid |
| 21:36.04 | Iriel | chuckg; see the 'ACTUAL API CHANGES' thread on the forum |
| 21:36.11 | Cide | Tem: what do you mean with 'player-created channels'? |
| 21:36.20 | Gryphen | Mikk1: when raid leader changes with Sky, the channel changes |
| 21:36.22 | Tem | because different officers know how to set up the groups better |
| 21:36.45 | Mikk1 | Gryphen: good point there I think |
| 21:36.47 | Cide | Gryphen: the concept of what? |
| 21:36.51 | Mikk1 | chuckg: or http://www.wowwiki.com/1.11.0_API_changes_(Iriel) |
| 21:36.57 | Iriel | "Magic", "Curse", "Disease", or "Poison" |
| 21:36.59 | Tem | Cide, I mean why allow the players to set the channel at all? Seems like addon generated channels would make it easier to manage |
| 21:37.06 | Tem | Iriel, or none, yes? |
| 21:37.07 | Gryphen | Sky channels |
| 21:37.18 | Iriel | or nil |
| 21:37.18 | Gryphen | I probably read more into your text though |
| 21:37.19 | Iriel | yes |
| 21:37.25 | Tem | none is red, right? |
| 21:37.29 | wereHamster | I would not go for something addon-specific.. |
| 21:37.41 | Tem | we just need to standardize it |
| 21:37.46 | Tem | so everyone does it the same way |
| 21:37.59 | Iriel | The colors come from a lookup table in the UI code |
| 21:37.59 | Tem | so even people using other things can share channels with Sky or CTRA |
| 21:38.04 | Iriel | and nil maps to "none" |
| 21:38.07 | wereHamster | just define a standardized algorithm so addons can join the same channel independently |
| 21:38.07 | Iriel | as a key |
| 21:38.11 | Gryphen | There have always been 'standards', people like to do their own thing to be wholey in control of it |
| 21:38.25 | Tem | but this is so... simple |
| 21:38.40 | Cide | Tem: because 1) users "can" use the same channel for several addons if they want to, when they have a choice, 2) they can have a common channel for everyone amongst a group (ie the whole server) if they so wishes, and 3) they can choose NOT to have the same channel, to reduce lag |
| 21:38.43 | Tem | and I think it's important for us to do it the same way in this one |
| 21:39.04 | Iriel | I can't think of any persistent generatable identifier |
| 21:39.15 | Tem | only thing I can think of is instance ID |
| 21:39.17 | Iriel | Unless you just randomly generate something and then communicate it |
| 21:39.23 | Iriel | what if you're not in an instance? |
| 21:39.26 | Tem | right |
| 21:39.26 | Iriel | or haven't been in one? |
| 21:39.39 | Mikk1 | Using instance ID would solve 99% of stuff though |
| 21:39.44 | Cide | no it wouldn't |
| 21:39.46 | Tem | and not all instances have an ID |
| 21:39.47 | Cide | pvp? |
| 21:39.48 | Iriel | Yes, but you'd need ot have one, and need to all have the same one |
| 21:39.52 | Mikk1 | cide: i suck |
| 21:40.02 | Iriel | you can't use members |
| 21:40.05 | Cide | UBRS doesn't have a reset timer |
| 21:40.07 | Tem | members change |
| 21:40.12 | Iriel | because a raid can outlast any of its members |
| 21:40.23 | Cide | outdoor raids aren't even in instances |
| 21:40.23 | Tem | the best "solution" I can think of is what Sky does |
| 21:40.26 | Tem | base if off the leader |
| 21:40.33 | Tem | and have the channel change when the leader changes |
| 21:40.38 | Mikk1 | you get glitches as you're changing though |
| 21:40.42 | Tem | we don't change leaders often enough for that to be an issue |
| 21:40.44 | Iriel | Kludgy tho |
| 21:40.59 | Cide | I know my guild used the same channel for CTRA and DamageMeters |
| 21:41.01 | Iriel | The random ID with a 'discovery' mechanism approach is, IMHO,cleaner |
| 21:41.02 | Tem | oh, that brings me to feature request, Cide |
| 21:41.03 | Cide | to reduce channel lag |
| 21:41.03 | Mikk1 | then again you probably don't chagne leaders mid-battle a lot |
| 21:41.08 | Cide | err, number of channels used, sorry |
| 21:41.10 | Kirkburn | Wow, this is baaad ... this is a guy trying to cancel his AOL account: http://www.break.com/movies/aolhell.html |
| 21:41.24 | Iriel | or even, for that matter, whatever damn mechanism for picking the channel name you want, combined with a robust discovery mechanism |
| 21:41.25 | Tem | Cide, a way for assistants to move people in the raid |
| 21:41.41 | Cide | not a bad idea, but rather hard to implement |
| 21:41.45 | Iriel | why? |
| 21:41.48 | Iriel | whisper the leader |
| 21:41.52 | Mikk1 | aye |
| 21:41.53 | Cide | not hard code-wise |
| 21:41.53 | Iriel | have them auto-respond |
| 21:41.59 | Mikk1 | iriel ftw |
| 21:42.19 | Mikk1 | if it fails, go whisper an (A) |
| 21:42.30 | Cide | I'd have to make the leader allow/disallow certain people |
| 21:42.40 | Tem | allow all raid assistants |
| 21:42.54 | Cide | that wouldn't work |
| 21:42.56 | Tem | why? |
| 21:43.00 | Shadowed | people would complain |
| 21:43.04 | Cide | that, yes |
| 21:43.13 | Mikk1 | whichwha? what do you have to allow and disallow? |
| 21:43.13 | Tem | do you promote sick numbers of people? |
| 21:43.14 | Cide | our guild has all officers, all hunters and all warriors as (A) |
| 21:43.17 | Iriel | Well, there's got to be some protocol now by whihc you manage entry? |
| 21:43.20 | Shadowed | no, but i'm sure someone does and will complain |
| 21:43.23 | Tem | oh |
| 21:43.32 | Cide | officers because, well they're officers |
| 21:43.33 | Iriel | Or is it 'hope nobody tells the wrong person the channel' ? |
| 21:43.38 | wereHamster | simply.. if someone repeatedly requests an A, kick him our of the raid.. |
| 21:43.39 | Shadowed | Warriors for boss mods? |
| 21:43.42 | Mikk1 | you just have to check that whoever is whispering you is in the raid |
| 21:43.43 | Mikk1 | easy |
| 21:43.47 | Cide | hunters for pulling, warriors for assist calls |
| 21:45.23 | Mikk1 | And tbh the transition from manual to automatic wouldn't have to hurt one bit |
| 21:45.28 | Mikk1 | Can still announce via raidchan |
| 21:45.41 | Tem | I could see issues |
| 21:45.51 | Tem | where someone with an old version broadcasts the wrong channel |
| 21:46.08 | Mikk1 | that's an issue today also |
| 21:46.12 | Mikk1 | anyone can screw it over today |
| 21:46.44 | Mikk1 | and tbh if you have idiots in the raid you have a far greater problem than ctra misbehaving |
| 21:46.45 | Cide | Shadowed: that too |
| 21:46.56 | Shadowed | Actually, while were on the subject of bugging Cide about CTRA |
| 21:47.04 | Tem | I don't see why anyone would complain about that |
| 21:47.10 | Tem | it's a convenience |
| 21:47.16 | Shadowed | because you don't always want all your assist to be able to move |
| 21:47.20 | Tem | if people abuse you bitch at them |
| 21:47.24 | Tem | simple |
| 21:47.35 | Tem | it's the same with /rs |
| 21:48.09 | Tain | Actually can you add something to CTRA so that a raid leader can stop dumbasses from running around? Have CTRA lock out their movement controls maybe? I'd like that. |
| 21:48.18 | Shadowed | haha |
| 21:48.20 | Cide | that'd be sweet |
| 21:48.44 | Shadowed | Is there a reason the C'Thun boss mod uses PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED to start the C'Thun encounter? Since it's not accurate unless the person whos running in is using it |
| 21:48.54 | Iriel | Do any of you folks run high end (SLI etc) video setups, or are you mostly like me on GeForce 6800 ish cards? |
| 21:49.09 | Tem | I wish I was on a GeForce 6800 card |
| 21:49.15 | wereHamster | 7800GTX.. but no SLI |
| 21:49.22 | Shadowed | same as wereHamster |
| 21:49.40 | Cide | heh, that mod wasn't supposed to go live since we aren't finished with it |
| 21:49.44 | Shadowed | ah |
| 21:49.53 | Tain | 7900GT here, was tempted to go SLI and have a MB for it, but haven't justified it. |
| 21:50.24 | Shadowed | Not sure if you guys used this, but if you check CREATURE_VS_CREATURE_DAMAGE and CREATURE_VS_CREATURE_SELF_DAMAGE you can search for "Eye of C'Thun's Eye Beam" to get something more accurate for anyone |
| 21:50.25 | Iriel | I've been having some frustrations of late with performance or visual quality in some games |
| 21:50.41 | Iriel | I'm really torn on whether I should start saving for a new machine, or just put up and shut up for another 6 months |
| 21:50.53 | netcurse | i m going to buy a sli 7900gt |
| 21:50.59 | Shadowed | ( have to take 2 seconds off any timer you start using that though to make it accurate ) |
| 21:51.05 | netcurse | i have 2 vanguard account and i can t play it |
| 21:51.08 | netcurse | because of my comp |
| 21:51.21 | zenzelezz | my only problem is that too many developers keep thinking that everyone is willing to spend a fortune on a computer barely able to run their games on medium settings, and still neglecting gameplay |
| 21:51.25 | zenzelezz | "but look at the reflections!" |
| 21:52.09 | Tem | food |
| 21:52.35 | Tain | Well that's not always true, it's more that devs start developing for the top hardware available today since the game wont' be out until that's mid-range hardware. |
| 21:52.59 | Tain | But there is a lot more emphasis placed on graphics where gameplay needs work, yeah. |
| 21:53.08 | Iriel | I dont mind that if the game at least lets me dial down to a point I can run and look decent relative to other games on the same H/W |
| 21:53.55 | Iriel | But for example, I can't get Rise of Legends to run smoothly on my machine no matter what I try without sacrificing screen resolution |
| 21:54.01 | Tain | I've been testing Dungeon Runners, it doesn't need much for hardware. |
| 21:54.09 | Tain | But it doesn't have much for gameplay either. |
| 21:54.20 | netcurse | dungeon runners 3D engine is like |
| 21:54.22 | netcurse | 1999 |
| 21:54.25 | Iriel | which for a 1920 x 1200 LCD monitor isn't really an option, since there are no clean smaller resolutions |
| 21:54.32 | netcurse | i m sure my voodoo 2 could run it |
| 21:54.46 | Tain | Yeah Iriel that's the big thing about LCDs, especially widescreen. You better be able to run at native or else. |
| 21:55.09 | Iriel | Ironically it's smooth on my other lesser machine at 1280 x 1024 |
| 21:57.15 | netcurse | Tain btw you got in the DR beta from a ncsoft friend? |
| 21:57.21 | netcurse | or you applied |
| 21:57.45 | Tain | Friend got it from someone he knew at ncsoft, and got me an invite. |
| 21:57.53 | netcurse | alright |
| 21:58.05 | netcurse | because the current beta is very private so i was surprised :) |
| 21:58.26 | Tain | I can't even deal with it, the game is not very good in my opinion. |
| 21:59.04 | netcurse | Free game :) |
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| 22:04.51 | Kirkburn | Who the hell thought up THIS advert? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5qscOsp7Ko&eurl= |
| 22:05.39 | Tain | Ok Rez is a fantastic game. And it's not homoerotic. That commercial is faulty! |
| 22:06.18 | Shadowed | wow |
| 22:07.32 | Legorol | in that case, you guys probably don't even want to know what the female voiceover means ;-) |
| 22:07.48 | Kirkburn | errr |
| 22:08.04 | Legorol | becaust THAT my friend, is even worse |
| 22:08.23 | Kirkburn | ORLY? |
| 22:08.29 | Legorol | yarly |
| 22:08.34 | Kirkburn | NO WAI! |
| 22:08.51 | Cairenn | WAI! |
| 22:08.59 | Legorol | ok, by popular demand: the female voice at the end says: |
| 22:09.00 | Kirkburn | *pretends forehead has now appeared* |
| 22:09.07 | Legorol | Shoot it! Ride it! To the peak! |
| 22:09.07 | Tain | Of course for some reason Rez draws some odd things. Like this: http://www.gamegirladvance.com/archives/2002/10/26/sex_in_games_rezvibrator.html |
| 22:09.10 | Kirkburn | s/forehead/forehead man/ |
| 22:09.28 | Kirkburn | Legorol .... nice .... |
| 22:10.13 | Legorol | i can translate what the guys say too, but you probably don't wanna know |
| 22:10.15 | Kirkburn | Tain, I remember reading that :) Shocking! |
| 22:10.22 | Tain | Rez really is one of the best games that I've played. You'd never get the experience from watching a video, you have to play. |
| 22:10.34 | Kirkburn | Probably something like "More! More! Give it to me!" |
| 22:10.55 | Kirkburn | Guys turns to his friend "Do you want to sleep here tonight?" |
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| 22:11.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | rez is indeed awesome |
| 22:12.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | I uh...bought a copy online like a year ago for the Dreamcast |
| 22:12.45 | chuckg | Iriel, I don't know what the API 1.11 change is supposed to tell me. |
| 22:12.48 | chuckg | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=343889&p=1&tmp=1#post343889 |
| 22:12.52 | chuckg | I don't see anything about buff/debuffs. |
| 22:13.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | \\ |
| 22:14.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
| 22:14.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | ack |
| 22:14.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | sorry |
| 22:14.09 | Kirkburn | If you haven't seen this, you must watch it now! http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/animator |
| 22:14.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | key came off keyboard and it's right next to enter :[ |
| 22:15.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | \ |
| 22:16.14 | Iriel | chuckg : The 'Actual API' changes one: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=397222 |
| 22:16.15 | Wobin | Kirkburn: That's a brilliantly done one |
| 22:16.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | \ |
| 22:16.30 | chuckg | Thanks :) |
| 22:17.06 | chuckg | So what does Deepwounds fall under? D= |
| 22:18.54 | Shadowed | Probably nothing |
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| 22:19.42 | Mikk1 | Physical |
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| 22:21.39 | Arog | hello |
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| 22:22.14 | Legorol | Kirkburn: that animation is brilliant! |
| 22:22.18 | Kirkburn | :) |
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| 22:22.49 | Legorol | you know, all i have to do is sit in this channel, |
| 22:22.53 | Legorol | watching all the links you guys paste |
| 22:22.58 | Legorol | and my evening entertainment is sorted |
| 22:23.27 | Qzot | Iriel: You still around, and did you get my city migration results already? |
| 22:23.32 | Legorol | If you are into cool WoW videos, watch Tales of the Past and Tales of the Past 2 |
| 22:23.36 | Kirkburn | This shall humour you all: http://www2.penny-arcade.com/comic |
| 22:23.38 | Legorol | the second part is even better than the first |
| 22:23.45 | Legorol | you can find both on www.warcraftmovies.com |
| 22:23.55 | Legorol | teaser trailer: http://www.edenaurorae.com/files/Tales_of_the_Past_II_Trailer.wmv |
| 22:24.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | * "Disable All Addons" will obey the character/all selection. |
| 22:24.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | why can't they do that in 1.11.1 :[ |
| 22:24.12 | Legorol | because 1.11 is out already? :) |
| 22:24.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | .1 |
| 22:24.48 | Iriel | Qzot: Yes / No (other than a one line comment that it was noticable( |
| 22:24.52 | Legorol | actually that comic is unfair |
| 22:24.58 | Legorol | i do beleive the background downloader is a brilliant idea |
| 22:25.14 | Kirkburn | Same here |
| 22:25.23 | Kirkburn | Tycho goes on a rant on the news page |
| 22:29.44 | Legorol | who is tycho? |
| 22:29.48 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 22:29.51 | Gryphen | penny arcade |
| 22:29.53 | Kirkburn | The artist |
| 22:30.05 | Kirkburn | Well actually |
| 22:30.10 | Kirkburn | Co-artist thing |
| 22:30.11 | Qzot | Iriel: http://blogs.parc.com/playon for the official version |
| 22:30.45 | Kirkburn | I do love Google Earth - so cool to be able to zoom in on my home from space :D |
| 22:31.18 | Gryphen | google earth + sketchup network = h0t |
| 22:31.51 | Qzot | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/citymigration/citymigration-pvp-horde2.gif for horde |
| 22:32.54 | Kirkburn | They say they've got about 1/3 of the world's homes in high-resolution now |
| 22:33.02 | Gryphen | Kirkburn http://earth.google.com/3d.html if you haven't tried it |
| 22:34.03 | Kirkburn | I keep meaning to look at SketchUp! ... not enough space on this laptop though |
| 22:34.11 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 22:34.18 | Gryphen | its pretty fun |
| 22:35.33 | Kirkburn | I *think* I've seen it in action |
| 22:35.57 | Kirkburn | The prog I saw gave you a box which you could push and pull stuff out of |
| 22:38.19 | Kirkburn | I'm looking at the Pisa Piazza del Duomo in 3D atm :D |
| 22:38.30 | *** part/#wowi-lounge wereHamster (n=tomc@gw.ptr-62-65-141-13.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 22:38.40 | Kirkburn | And all I can saw is ... WOW |
| 22:39.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Sooo |
| 22:39.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to know how to make a button I can put on the action bar |
| 22:40.31 | Kirkburn | Gryphe, thank you thank you thank you ... so cooooool |
| 22:40.37 | Kirkburn | *Gryphen, natch |
| 22:40.42 | Gryphen | :) |
| 22:40.46 | Gryphen | http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse |
| 22:41.26 | Kirkburn | The attention to detail on some of the stuff ... it's weird seeing stuff I'm walked on |
| 22:41.38 | Kirkburn | (Clifton Suspension Bridge in Bristol is one) |
| 22:41.59 | Gryphen | ya |
| 22:42.10 | Kirkburn | They missed the "Call the Samaritans before you jump" sign though :P |
| 22:42.19 | Iriel | I think the real focus of the rant is bit-torrent over /me works in san francisco so most of these sketchup things are familiar |
| 22:42.51 | Iriel | hm, see what happens when I get distracted. |
| 22:42.55 | Gryphen | :o |
| 22:43.07 | Iriel | The first half was supposed to be 'the real focus of the rant is bit-torrent over vendor-hosted data' |
| 22:43.14 | Iriel | and then the latter part was about the google thing |
| 22:43.19 | Gryphen | lol |
| 22:44.10 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 22:47.07 | Gryphen | i dont recall seeing a 30 foot tall giant pack of Marlboros last time i was in seattle though |
| 22:48.08 | Legorol | wow, CG is down |
| 22:48.18 | Legorol | Iriel: anything new in Devtools for 1.11, or is it just a toc change? |
| 22:50.17 | Iriel | Right now a toc change until I get time to finish the in progress additions |
| 22:51.14 | Legorol | is it just me being blind, or wowi's lite site doesn't allow adding addons to favourites? |
| 22:51.17 | zespri_work | hmm... UNIT_PVP_UPDATE isn't used in the standrad UI at all |
| 22:51.42 | zespri_work | I guess UNIT_FACTION even took its place |
| 22:51.46 | Thrae | I'd be cool if DevTools had its own frame, where it could output information without fear of being truncated (large databases, frames, etc.) |
| 22:51.57 | Cairenn | Legorol: just allowed me to add one |
| 22:52.10 | Qzot | Iriel: Hot data. The shift is much more dramatic on one RP server we track. |
| 22:52.14 | Legorol | Cairenn, i must be blind... where is the add to favourites button? |
| 22:52.23 | Legorol | roughly, when i'm looking at an addon's page |
| 22:52.26 | Cairenn | under the big download button, same as always |
| 22:52.38 | Legorol | LOL |
| 22:52.42 | Legorol | i deserve idiot of the day award |
| 22:52.49 | Legorol | the addon i was trying to add to favourites is already there :D |
| 22:52.51 | Qzot | That's spelled D-O-W-N-L-O-A-D... |
| 22:52.52 | Cairenn | no, my husband is getting that one |
| 22:52.54 | Legorol | that's why i couldn't see the button |
| 22:53.01 | Cairenn | would explain it, yes |
| 22:53.12 | Cairenn | if it's a favourite already, it has a shiny heart |
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| 22:54.24 | Qzot | Can we self-nominate for idiot of the day? |
| 22:54.52 | Cairenn | no, as I said, it has already been awarded |
| 22:55.03 | Cairenn | along with idiot of the week, month and year |
| 22:55.09 | Maldivia | Cairenn: wowi still under heavy load ? |
| 22:55.11 | Qzot | Uh oh. |
| 22:55.15 | Cairenn | not really |
| 22:55.22 | Cairenn | we're running just fine |
| 22:55.32 | Cairenn | 3k users on atm |
| 22:55.45 | Maldivia | yeah, not noticing any slowdowns, was just wondering when you would change to normal (non-lite) version... |
| 22:56.02 | Cairenn | ah, probably back to normal over the weekend or early next week |
| 22:56.10 | Legorol | darn, CG is down, why can't i get my addons, iwant them now, they say outofdate and throw erros, whatdo i do? |
| 22:56.21 | Qzot | Iriel: New data. Our RP alliance data shows a much bigger shift: http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/citymigration/citymigration-rp-alliance.gif |
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| 22:56.51 | Legorol | it doesn't fit me :) |
| 22:57.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:57.11 | Legorol | i was especially bad at the expletives, i think i was missing a few |
| 22:57.16 | Gryphen | CG seems ok under the author addy |
| 22:57.28 | Legorol | mm, i tried a few zips, they seem to land corrupted |
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| 22:57.33 | Legorol | but that could just be my fault |
| 22:58.53 | zespri_work | my herod's shoulder texture is stil broken. I gues I should petition GM |
| 22:59.59 | Iriel | Thrae: Sending the output to a chat frame of your choice is one of the enchancements I was mailed |
| 23:00.19 | Iriel | Legorol : Curse mailed all the authors with a link |
| 23:00.26 | Maldivia | Cairenn: did you remove the need for approval for updated addons? |
| 23:00.32 | Cairenn | no |
| 23:00.50 | Cairenn | why? |
| 23:01.33 | Legorol | Iriel: yes i know that one, thanks anyway |
| 23:01.44 | Legorol | Cide, are you around? |
| 23:01.49 | Cide | yes |
| 23:01.53 | Legorol | i just downloaded CTRA from the lite site |
| 23:01.58 | Legorol | the stuff that comes in the zip seems outdated |
| 23:02.04 | Cide | hm? |
| 23:02.05 | Legorol | CTRA is v1.536 with toc 11000 |
| 23:02.11 | Legorol | bossmod is v1.0 with toc 10900 |
| 23:02.12 | Maldivia | Cairenn: hmm, the lite version doesn't have a warning for "not approved yet" then ? |
| 23:02.16 | Cide | hm, what the hell |
| 23:02.19 | Legorol | could just be a cache issue on my end |
| 23:02.25 | Legorol | i will try and verify that |
| 23:02.26 | Cairenn | there's nothing in the approval queue |
| 23:02.33 | Maldivia | hmm.. |
| 23:02.42 | Cairenn | macrostop? already approved :p |
| 23:02.48 | Cide | no, you're right, Legorol |
| 23:03.34 | Maldivia | Cairenn: my bad, think I forgot to check the "new file" radio button when uploading :) |
| 23:03.42 | Cairenn | oh |
| 23:04.02 | Cairenn | just so long as it wasn't that we did something wrong on our end |
| 23:04.25 | zespri_work | LEgorol, _all archive has the right versions |
| 23:05.16 | Maldivia | Cairenn: yeah, I fucked it up, it seems :) |
| 23:05.40 | netcurse | Legorol log with author site |
| 23:05.47 | netcurse | http://beta1.curse-gaming.com/ |
| 23:05.55 | Legorol | i did, trying with that now |
| 23:06.33 | netcurse | the site isn t dead but we doing 300 000+ page a hour since this EU realms went up:/ |
| 23:06.46 | Thrae | Users Online: Too Many ;) |
| 23:09.07 | Maldivia | Cairenn: is there a way to change the version stamp for archived files? |
| 23:09.23 | Cairenn | yeah, you ask me and I go in and fiddle with it ;) |
| 23:09.28 | End | hehe |
| 23:09.50 | End | that's actually the answer I expected :P |
| 23:09.58 | Maldivia | Cairenn: hehe, because I apparently bumped both archive files to 1.11 without actually uploading the new files :) |
| 23:09.59 | Cide | Legorol: I updated it, thanks |
| 23:10.34 | Cairenn | okay, this is how you fix it ... you upload the actual changed file, and you call it 1.11.00a |
| 23:10.38 | Iriel | Personally that;s my biggest gripe with the WoWI upload process |
| 23:10.45 | Iriel | it's far too easy to mess up this particular way |
| 23:10.54 | Legorol | Cide: np |
| 23:11.01 | Cairenn | then after I approve it, I go in, delete the wrong archive and change the number |
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| 23:11.21 | Cairenn | Iriel: so post suggestions on how to fix it, silly boy, you're staff and all :p |
| 23:11.24 | Legorol | ok for some reason any zip i get from CG appears to be corrupted |
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| 23:12.19 | netcurse | lego could you past one here |
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| 23:12.39 | netcurse | download url that is |
| 23:15.08 | Cairenn | wheee, minor net split! |
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| 23:15.12 | Qzot | Lua question: In the standalone Lua interpreter, is there a way to redirect print output to a file? |
| 23:15.12 | Cairenn | welcome back |
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| 23:16.23 | Legorol | Qzot: the only way to do that would be the run the file from the command line like this: |
| 23:16.23 | Legorol | lua yourfile.lua > output |
| 23:16.24 | Legorol | actually |
| 23:16.24 | Legorol | you could redefine the print function as well |
| 23:16.24 | Mikk1 | Hehe |
| 23:16.24 | Qzot | Legorol: Under program control, I mean. |
| 23:16.24 | Mikk1 | redefine print |
| 23:16.24 | Legorol | e.g. function print(...) io.write(unpack(args)) end |
| 23:16.24 | Qzot | Mikk1: That's my backup plan, yes. |
| 23:16.42 | Mikk1 | ohwait |
| 23:16.42 | Mikk1 | you CAN redirect stdout |
| 23:16.50 | Qzot | I thought I read about a way to do it, but I can't seem to find it in the 5.0 manual. |
| 23:17.00 | Mikk1 | it's in there |
| 23:17.02 | Mikk1 | sec |
| 23:17.13 | Legorol | yeah with io.output(filename) |
| 23:17.19 | Legorol | i am not sure it affects print? |
| 23:17.38 | Mikk1 | how could it not? |
| 23:17.40 | Legorol | hm, it doesn't.. |
| 23:18.05 | Legorol | ah, there it is! |
| 23:18.13 | Legorol | io.stdin, io.stdout, io.stderr |
| 23:18.25 | Mikk1 | I mean.. this is just a thin wrapper on top of the C stream libraries |
| 23:18.30 | Mikk1 | redefine stdout -> print output goes elswhere |
| 23:18.49 | Legorol | let me try something |
| 23:18.58 | Qzot | Ah. so io.stdout = io.open(blah, "w") ? |
| 23:20.22 | Legorol | hm, no matter what |
| 23:20.27 | Legorol | Qzot, i just tried, doesn't work |
| 23:20.32 | Qzot | Same. |
| 23:20.49 | Qzot | Okay. I'll do it another way. Was trying to avoid a rewrite of a simple hack, anyways. |
| 23:21.22 | Kirkburn | Does ct_unitframes have a text size option? |
| 23:21.51 | Arog | yawn |
| 23:21.56 | Arog | I should make some mod |
| 23:21.58 | Arog | anyone have any ideas |
| 23:22.49 | Qzot | Arog: I want a mod to ignore anything received on the LFG channel that does not have a standard abbreviation for an instance. |
| 23:23.22 | Arog | hmm |
| 23:23.33 | Arog | how do I code that? |
| 23:23.34 | Arog | lol |
| 23:23.55 | Arog | I think I know how to |
| 23:24.09 | Qzot | Arog: So I would see "[4. LookingForGroup] Uberpreist: LFG ZF" but wouldn't see "[4. LookingForGroup] Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?" |
| 23:24.12 | Mikk1 | qzot: io.output("filename") ? |
| 23:24.24 | Mikk1 | oh |
| 23:24.26 | Mikk1 | lego tried it |
| 23:24.29 | Arog | I dont know how efficient this would be |
| 23:24.30 | Thrae | I find CallToArms is VERY useful with this new LFG channel. It already has that functionality built in. |
| 23:24.35 | Iriel | But you would see 'Why did Chuck Norris roll a Paladin for ZF' |
| 23:24.43 | Arog | but would you think this would work: |
| 23:24.54 | Qzot | Mikk1: D'oh! |
| 23:25.01 | Qzot | Iriel: Yes, I would. |
| 23:25.03 | Arog | never midn |
| 23:25.08 | Arog | that is ineffieicnt |
| 23:25.16 | Thrae | I just supress output from LFG and use CTA. |
| 23:25.27 | Mikk1 | Noone uses CTA on my server |
| 23:25.34 | Qzot | Isn't CTA itself going to be flooded now? |
| 23:25.46 | Thrae | You don't need to join the CTA channel to get the benefits from parsing LFG. |
| 23:25.48 | Qzot | Some versions of CTA scan LFG for input. |
| 23:25.48 | Mikk1 | Oh. CTA can pick up on stuff in the LFG channel? |
| 23:25.51 | Mikk1 | Cool! |
| 23:26.04 | Legorol | yes Mikk1, and you can even customize it |
| 23:26.32 | Mikk1 | Heh, CTA authors could certainly ride on this idea. |
| 23:26.34 | Qzot | But the way CTA (which scanned) used to work, it would pick up garbage comments as well. |
| 23:26.53 | Thrae | I've been using it for a while and never saw garbage comments with my version |
| 23:27.33 | Thrae | Anyway, with the new global LFG, I'd like to see a version of CTA that just uses the LFG channel with a specially made string which is human-readable |
| 23:27.49 | Qzot | Thrae: I was thinking exactly the same thing. |
| 23:28.10 | Arog | you know what would be cool |
| 23:28.12 | Qzot | And rejects input if it has *any* extra data at all. |
| 23:28.17 | Arog | ah |
| 23:28.19 | Arog | that |
| 23:28.28 | Thrae | CTA can already automatically output to Say,LFG,Guild,etc. |
| 23:28.37 | Thrae | So the change would be minimal. |
| 23:28.51 | Arog | or I am thinking sometihng along the lines of - all you can type are dungeon acronyms, eg - BFD, SFK, SM etc |
| 23:28.56 | Arog | and then it would automatically send |
| 23:29.09 | Arog | Level XX Class - BFD |
| 23:29.14 | Arog | or whatever |
| 23:29.21 | Arog | LEVEL XX Class - UBRS |
| 23:29.46 | Legorol | Cide, let me know when i should try the CTRA download again.. |
| 23:29.54 | Legorol | still old version |
| 23:30.22 | Thrae | Well, the first thing you put in such a mod would be an anti-Chuck Norris...string.find("chuck"), string.find("norris") ;) |
| 23:30.37 | Thrae | string.lower,string.find |
| 23:31.19 | zenzelezz | I remember seeing an anti-Chuck Norris chat mod on WorldofWar |
| 23:31.24 | Arog | there is a function called string.find? |
| 23:31.31 | Thrae | ChatBox has an anti-Chuck Norris feature. |
| 23:31.49 | Arog | if there is then, just do if then else.. |
| 23:31.53 | Arog | 16-17 of them |
| 23:32.04 | Arog | very ineffecient, but deal with it I guess |
| 23:32.33 | Arog | or you can have a loop, that goes through an enum object |
| 23:32.41 | Arog | if enum is possible in lua |
| 23:33.06 | Depherios | Is there a way to modify a texture's alphamode outside of XML? |
| 23:33.24 | Iriel | Depherios : SetBlendMode |
| 23:33.25 | Thrae | Depherios: Texture:SetBlendMode |
| 23:33.30 | Depherios | ahh thank goodness |
| 23:33.31 | Iriel | Or something similarly named if i'm mis-remembering |
| 23:33.36 | Cide | Legorol: which mirror? |
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| 23:38.34 | Kirkburn | Undocumented changes: http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=850 |
| 23:39.30 | zenzelezz | "?All bank bags open when you open bank" -- I didn't notice this |
| 23:39.49 | Depherios | •Bags that you are carrying now have a brown background when opened and bags that are in your bank have a gray background when opened. This will allow a player to more easily tell the difference between a bag they are carrying and one that is in their bank. <-- and that is documented |
| 23:39.50 | Kirkburn | Oooh, updated! http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/ |
| 23:40.00 | Kirkburn | Some of them aren't |
| 23:40.20 | Kirkburn | Cross realm BGs in 1.12! *shock* ;) |
| 23:40.32 | Arog | !!! |
| 23:40.32 | Arog | wow |
| 23:40.58 | Kirkburn | I mean, that came totally out of the blue. No-one expected it ... |
| 23:41.06 | Arog | post it on forums |
| 23:41.09 | Arog | before blue does |
| 23:41.10 | Arog | GOGOGOGO |
| 23:41.14 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:41.28 | Kirkburn | Roll your mouse over the chars in the banner :) |
| 23:41.41 | Kirkburn | (they broke the page in IE7 I notice :/ ) |
| 23:41.57 | Arog | go go goooo post!!! |
| 23:41.58 | Arog | lol |
| 23:42.08 | Kirkburn | silly man |
| 23:42.29 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 23:42.35 | Arog | why |
| 23:42.41 | Arog | I would if my account was active |
| 23:42.49 | Arog | :( |
| 23:42.55 | zenzelezz | why isn't it? |
| 23:43.37 | Arog | I told you yesterday! |
| 23:43.43 | Arog | im in university right now |
| 23:44.00 | Kirkburn | Like that ever stopped me |
| 23:44.02 | Arog | spending so much time on WoW with my inactive account. Imagine if it was active |
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| 23:44.16 | netcurse | Kirkburn |
| 23:44.21 | Kirkburn | netcurse |
| 23:44.22 | netcurse | this has been post this morning |
| 23:44.23 | netcurse | ) |
| 23:44.24 | netcurse | :) |
| 23:44.46 | netcurse | Underdev page updated |
| 23:44.46 | netcurse | NeT @ Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 09:44 am |
| 23:44.47 | netcurse | ! |
| 23:44.48 | zenzelezz | hrm... I know I /ignored at least four people whose name started with V earlier (because it was the same guy spamming the global LFG)... and the ignoring worked... but none of those now show up in the "Ignore" part of my friends list o_O |
| 23:45.10 | Arog | zenzelezz too many on there? |
| 23:45.17 | Kirkburn | netcurse, bah, you win :) |
| 23:45.33 | zenzelezz | Arog: could be, but I can't see how the ignoring worked in that case |
| 23:45.42 | Arog | hmm |
| 23:45.45 | Arog | is it working? |
| 23:45.53 | zenzelezz | like a charm |
| 23:45.54 | Arog | like cna you ignore poeple |
| 23:46.04 | Arog | even if you add them now |
| 23:46.07 | Arog | then I suppose it works |
| 23:46.39 | Depherios | ....... why is the shaman on that underdev page using a sword... |
| 23:46.56 | Depherios | lol blizz' use of modelviewer cracks me up |
| 23:47.07 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Are you being sarcastic (re: cross-realm BG's) ? |
| 23:47.20 | netcurse | Depherios hehe yes :) |
| 23:47.27 | Kirkburn | No, I'm never sarcastic. |
| 23:47.31 | netcurse | i was talking about this with darjk |
| 23:47.43 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn's not sarcastic, he's British |
| 23:47.44 | Kirkburn | I'm the most serious person on the channel, Iriel :| |
| 23:47.47 | zenzelezz | though there's a fine line |
| 23:47.50 | Depherios | like on the .5 sets... trolls all had shoes |
| 23:47.54 | Kirkburn | It's in my blood |
| 23:48.10 | Kirkburn | I can't deny my heritage! |
| 23:48.12 | netcurse | Depherios i m gonna sue blizzard! |
| 23:48.18 | Depherios | lol |
| 23:48.26 | netcurse | actually i m sure we could :) |
| 23:48.30 | Depherios | and is that rouge using the spelldamage dagger? |
| 23:48.44 | Depherios | rogue even |
| 23:48.46 | Kirkburn | Pluto’s two moons discovered recently have been named: Nyx and Hydra |
| 23:48.52 | Thrae | New in 1.13 - There is a rare 0.05% chance that a pair of shoes will drop exclusively for the Troll class! These are Cloth, with 1 Armour. |
| 23:49.09 | zenzelezz | I swear my bow skill is stuck at 299 |
| 23:49.20 | Iriel | Thrae : I assume they'll be BoP as well |
| 23:49.27 | Thrae | Iriel: Of course. |
| 23:49.38 | Kirkburn | And only drop for Tauren, Orcs and Undead? |
| 23:49.42 | netcurse | Depherios url please |
| 23:49.46 | zenzelezz | of course not Kirkburn |
| 23:49.50 | zenzelezz | they drop for NEs too |
| 23:49.53 | Thrae | They only drop in the area beyond the Dark Patrol. |
| 23:50.10 | Kirkburn | Do they wear all black clothing Thrae? |
| 23:50.21 | Arog | Thrae where are those from |
| 23:50.26 | Kirkburn | Or are they just shifty and evil |
| 23:50.26 | Thrae | s/Patrol/Portal/ |
| 23:50.35 | Iriel | Kirkburn : I was thinking along the lines of the rogue only BoP items that drop in Westfall for everyone |
| 23:51.07 | Depherios | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/armorsets/ <-- troll priests in tier 0 rather |
| 23:51.14 | Kirkburn | Ah, I was just going for the obvious :B ... ah the bandanas, of course |
| 23:51.17 | Depherios | I think all troll tier 0, not sure |
| 23:51.32 | ScytheBlade1 | All right, apparently I fail at asking the correct question |
| 23:51.52 | Depherios | yeah, all troll tier 0, they're wearing shoes XD |
| 23:51.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Where in the FrameXML can I see an example of the code needed to produce a button that can be dragged and dropped onto an action bar? |
| 23:51.57 | Kirkburn | lol, that was over an hour ago |
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| 23:52.23 | Legorol | Cide: how can i tell which mirror? |
| 23:52.28 | Legorol | i am getting it from http://www.ctmod.net/lowbw.ct?id=0 |
| 23:52.38 | Thrae | "There will be a small chance that Human, Night Elf, Gnome, or Dwarf BoE gear will drop in the Barrens. We do not expect this will impact Horde questing at all." |
| 23:52.48 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1 : the container frame or spell book? |
| 23:53.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel, I need to make a button for my addon which can be dropped onto an action bar. |
| 23:53.24 | Cide | Legorol: that shows up fine for me now |
| 23:53.25 | Iriel | "Buttons" dont drop onto an action bar, their contents do |
| 23:53.32 | Cide | (.toc 11100, version 1.537) |
| 23:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel, that's more than I've got out of anyone else so far ;) |
| 23:53.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel, know of any good example code? |
| 23:53.50 | Legorol | Cide: now that i emptied my cache, it seems fine here too, let me check something else as well... |
| 23:53.51 | Thrae | "The new flightpath in Ratchet was added so Alliance could get easy access to this Epic Level 60 gear." |
| 23:53.52 | Iriel | The correct terminology would be that you need to make a button froom which you can pick up an item or spell from |
| 23:53.57 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1 : See my previous suggestions |
| 23:54.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel, container frame or spell book? |
| 23:57.37 | Legorol | Cide: you did have the old version up before i let you know, right? |
| 23:57.43 | Cide | yes |
| 23:57.47 | Legorol | it seems like my ISP's cache still has that copy |
| 23:57.56 | Legorol | it's sending a copy that is about 3 hours old |
| 23:58.06 | Legorol | my ISP utilises transparent proxies, so meh... |
| 23:58.17 | Cide | can you accept DCC? |
| 23:58.22 | Legorol | it's ok, i got it |
| 23:58.26 | Cide | okay :) |
| 23:58.27 | Legorol | i have already figured out what to do in cases like this |
| 23:58.34 | Legorol | lately my ISP has been messing up a lot of my downloads |
| 23:59.08 | Legorol | i just wanted to ask you, is there any way you can tell your server to send out appropriate HTTP header fields, such as the file is non-cacheable, or expired or whatever |
| 23:59.10 | Legorol | i don't know all the details |
| 23:59.24 | Legorol | i mean i don't know how to do something like this |
| 23:59.51 | Cide | theoretically yes, but I'd have to rewrite the page |
| 23:59.56 | Cide | (I'm lazy) |
