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| 00:06.05 | Cide | how do you do a stack trace (kinda) in wow? |
| 00:06.10 | Cide | second parameter to message()? |
| 00:07.27 | Cide | I have seemingly forgotten |
| 00:07.52 | cladhaire | local text = debugstack() |
| 00:08.09 | cladhaire | debugstack([start, end]) specifically |
| 00:08.11 | cladhaire | defaults to 10, 10 |
| 00:09.10 | Cide | ah, that's easier |
| 00:09.15 | Cide | but I believe there was something else also? |
| 00:09.57 | cladhaire | thats all i know about |
| 00:10.22 | Cide | something about specifying depth as second parameter to some function |
| 00:10.38 | cladhaire | you can do that in error, but that stops excution |
| 00:10.50 | Cide | ah |
| 00:11.02 | Cide | well, I just need to figure out where I'm calling Show :) |
| 00:11.39 | cladhaire | just print the debugstack, 2,2 or such |
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| 00:15.49 | Cide | hmm, did blizzard add a way to set default loot type? someone said so way long ago, but I haven't heard or seen anything, so I'm assuming no |
| 00:16.49 | cladhaire | dont remember |
| 00:17.39 | JoshBorke | for raids? |
| 00:17.46 | JoshBorke | wb Cairenn |
| 00:18.04 | Cide | JoshBorke: yes |
| 00:18.09 | Cide | or parties, but I assume raids |
| 00:22.44 | zenzelezz | how do unit frame replacements work; do they simply hide the default ones or do they disable them somehow? |
| 00:22.58 | cladhaire | depends on the replacement |
| 00:23.07 | cladhaire | some hide, others hide, hook the hide/show functions and disable the events. |
| 00:23.53 | Cide | disabling the events is probably the easiest one to make sure it stays gone |
| 00:24.51 | zenzelezz | simply hiding was the first thing that came to mind, but it seemed a bit silly if they'd still do all the processing... so disabling sounds more "reasonable" in that way |
| 00:25.33 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 00:25.41 | cladhaire | it just gets messy if you want the user to be able to enable/disable them on the fly |
| 00:25.54 | cladhaire | cause then you actually have to track what events need to come back |
| 00:25.58 | cladhaire | or just be mean and dont let them do that =) |
| 00:27.00 | Cide | well, it's fairly unnecessary for a unit frame replacement, usually :) |
| 00:27.01 | zenzelezz | that'd be no problem; if I make this thing it'll probably be just for me anyhow =D (and the same as all the others already out there, but what fun is it to use them...) |
| 00:27.26 | cladhaire | then use UnregisterAllEvents() like whoa =) |
| 00:27.39 | cladhaire | Cide: You'd think so, but users have been weird =) |
| 00:27.50 | Cide | can't say I haven't noticed :) |
| 00:27.56 | cladhaire | hhe |
| 00:37.36 | Tarog | found my cds ^^ |
| 00:41.24 | Tarog | :P |
| 00:41.25 | Osagasu | YAY! New forum CM! |
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| 01:16.54 | Cide | hm, is a metamethod invoked when a table key is set to something else? |
| 01:17.11 | Cide | (or, set at all) |
| 01:17.12 | cladhaire | i dont believe so. |
| 01:17.16 | cladhaire | just on index |
| 01:17.20 | cladhaire | and newindex |
| 01:17.37 | Cide | newindex would be called if the key doesn't exist... |
| 01:17.40 | cladhaire | correct |
| 01:17.41 | Cide | this is a huge hack, heh |
| 01:18.13 | cladhaire | and index is called anytime its indexed.. so you can make read only tables, etc. |
| 01:26.31 | Mikk1 | Not really |
| 01:26.47 | Mikk1 | You can overwrite stuff just fine. Not in the pointed-to table. |
| 01:26.53 | Mikk1 | s/Not/Just not/ |
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| 01:40.24 | Cide | heh, wow |
| 01:40.29 | Kirkburn | Bing :) http://www.wowwiki.com/Nethaera |
| 01:40.35 | Cide | this *huge* hack just because blizz decided to hardcode some stuff into UnitPopup.lua makes me cry |
| 01:43.36 | zenzelezz | what's that? |
| 01:47.16 | Cide | I wanted to edit the dropdown when rightclicking the player portrait |
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| 01:47.36 | AnduinLothar | i've done that, justa couple of hooks and a table change |
| 01:47.43 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Slouken <-- shameful. |
| 01:47.52 | Cide | AnduinLothar: yes |
| 01:47.53 | Mikk1 | "blizzard employee and forum poster" |
| 01:47.55 | Mikk1 | Pfft |
| 01:47.58 | Cide | but I need it to show checkboxes |
| 01:48.05 | Cide | along with the text being the same as loot type |
| 01:48.07 | AnduinLothar | why'd that harD? |
| 01:48.17 | Cide | and it's hardcoded to set a checkbox at the current loottype, if it matches |
| 01:48.23 | Cide | but I'm using it for *DEFAULT* loot type in CTRA |
| 01:48.28 | Cide | which may differ from current one |
| 01:48.36 | ckknight_ | regarding an OO framework, do you people think static methods should inherit from one class to the next? Normal OO frameworks don't. |
| 01:49.12 | AnduinLothar | isn't that a little to abstract of a question.. |
| 01:49.22 | ckknight_ | Alpha = Class(); function Alpha:StaticMethod() print("thingy") end; Bravo = Class(Alpha) |
| 01:49.27 | ckknight_ | should Bravo:StaticMethod() exist or not? |
| 01:49.35 | Mikk1 | Cide: Wishlist: CTRALite. Rip all frames, buff stuff, etc out. Keep only the "light" utilities that cannot possibly cause any amount of noticeable extra load. |
| 01:49.49 | Cide | Mikk1: working on it (kinda) |
| 01:49.52 | Mikk1 | I'm wishing it because some of my guildies refuse to run it =( |
| 01:49.55 | Cide | http://wow.pastebin.com/719969 |
| 01:50.04 | Cide | can't think of a better way to do it |
| 01:50.23 | Cide | I could just override .selectedLootMethod, but that's set inside the function called (UnitPopup_ShowMenu) |
| 01:50.39 | Cide | so I had to nil it, and then set a __newindex to override the call :( |
| 01:50.47 | Mikk1 | lollers |
| 01:51.17 | Mikk1 | Why this elaborate dance btw? You want to keep (A)s from changing the loot method set in CTRA? |
| 01:51.35 | Cide | no |
| 01:51.45 | Cide | there's a default loot method feature |
| 01:51.49 | Mikk1 | aye |
| 01:51.52 | Cide | where you can change what loot method it uses when forming a raid |
| 01:52.19 | Cide | I'm moving it from its dropdown to a dropdown in the player right-click menu, since blizzard uses up the space where it has been before (there's a Raid Info button there, now) |
| 01:52.31 | Kirkburn | Mikk1, I didn't make the slouken one :P |
| 01:52.41 | Mikk1 | No, but you can FIX it! =) |
| 01:52.52 | Mikk1 | Cide: ahh |
| 01:53.02 | Kirkburn | I shall, and you must link him on an interface page |
| 01:53.05 | AnduinLothar | why not just have it show when not in aparty |
| 01:53.29 | AnduinLothar | or always show |
| 01:53.37 | AnduinLothar | in addition to current one |
| 01:54.31 | Cide | you lost me |
| 01:54.49 | Kirkburn | Remind me of the name of the other interface poster? |
| 01:55.56 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 01:56.02 | Kirkburn | The ninja! |
| 01:56.07 | cladhaire | rislyn |
| 01:56.10 | cladhaire | ?imo |
| 01:56.12 | Cairenn | oh, yeah, rislyn |
| 01:56.14 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 01:56.15 | cladhaire | i cound be completely wrong |
| 01:56.54 | Kirkburn | Coming up roses here :) |
| 01:57.44 | AnduinLothar | ok, cide what exactly are you doing there? |
| 01:58.50 | Cide | what do you mean? |
| 02:01.06 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 02:01.27 | clad|sleep | night hun |
| 02:01.36 | AnduinLothar | to the menu |
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| 02:06.08 | Iriel | So, does anyone know offhand what changed in the EULA for 1.11? |
| 02:09.01 | JoshBorke | ,'how do i fix a stack overflow that only happens when zoning? |
| 02:09.08 | JoshBorke | and then persists :-/ |
| 02:09.28 | Iriel | easy |
| 02:09.36 | Iriel | find something that installs a hook on P_E_W |
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| 02:09.51 | Iriel | And make it not run twice |
| 02:10.29 | JoshBorke | the function is GameTooltip_ClearMoney() |
| 02:11.05 | Iriel | Then you likely know which hook to look for |
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| 02:12.05 | JoshBorke | OH! I KNOW WHAT IT IS! |
| 02:12.05 | Kirkburn | Well, confirmed patch 2moro: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8754104&p=1&tmp=1#post8754104 |
| 02:12.09 | JoshBorke | man i'm dumb |
| 02:12.39 | JoshBorke | i'm rehooking when PEW |
| 02:12.47 | Iriel | Isn't that what I said ? 8-) |
| 02:13.07 | JoshBorke | blast you iriel and your intelligence! |
| 02:13.28 | Cairenn | patch tomorrow was already confirmed, hours ago :p |
| 02:14.14 | Kirkburn | This is confirmed confirmed ;) |
| 02:14.24 | Kirkburn | Also, you smell. |
| 02:14.43 | Iriel | That's okay as long as she smells good |
| 02:15.05 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 02:16.07 | Osagasu | Yay! |
| 02:16.35 | Iriel | Ok, time to 1.11-ify all my addons, i'll be idle for a bit |
| 02:16.41 | Osagasu | New forum CM and patch! Double the terrorizing! All in the same day! |
| 02:16.59 | zespri_work | Cairenn |
| 02:17.02 | Cairenn | yo? |
| 02:17.50 | zespri_work | what is the most accepted spelling of mantichora? manticora? manticore? other variant? |
| 02:18.01 | Kirkburn | Wassat? |
| 02:18.10 | Osagasu | manticore is singular. |
| 02:18.26 | Kirkburn | Ah, of course .... /me reminices Castle of the Winds |
| 02:18.45 | Kirkburn | Bloody manticores, they always killed me :( |
| 02:19.04 | zespri_work | ok thanks =) |
| 02:19.48 | Kirkburn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manticore ?? |
| 02:20.35 | zespri_work | yeah, it's jsut there are different spellings, some are more mainstream and some are less |
| 02:20.42 | Kirkburn | Look at the evil little bugger: http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/pc/castle2/images/monsterpics/manticore.gif |
| 02:20.54 | Kirkburn | Killed me far too many times |
| 02:21.10 | zespri_work | Lirkburn, the image is scary |
| 02:21.20 | zespri_work | *Kirkburn |
| 02:21.35 | Kirkburn | Very! |
| 02:22.12 | zespri_work | now if you are in uber guild and have two 60s, are your 60s ususaily share dkps or have them separate? |
| 02:22.36 | Kirkburn | Such a great game though ... played it through several times (though, on a laptop it's a bitch since I don't have a 8-way keypad) |
| 02:22.39 | zespri_work | like dsp per player or per charkter |
| 02:22.45 | zespri_work | dkp |
| 02:22.57 | zespri_work | what am I typing. my fingers don't want to behave |
| 02:23.06 | Kirkburn | Mostly depends on the guild I would guess |
| 02:23.21 | Kirkburn | Sharing sounds like the nicest way, though |
| 02:24.57 | zespri_work | sure but what is most common? you see if you share then it encorage you to equip character that you play less with. and this is bad for the raid, because raid's best would be you equipping your most played char properly (or let other ppl do, instead spending this valuable gear on a twink) |
| 02:25.46 | AnduinLothar | yeah so iriel, can get that size thing to work for scroll offset |
| 02:27.57 | Iriel | Any trickery involved? |
| 02:28.34 | Shadowed | zespri: most common is accounts share the same DKP and you have rules regarding alts and buying items |
| 02:28.56 | Shadowed | Usuaully it'll be like you can get an item for your alt at a discount, or for free but no members/apps can be trying to get it |
| 02:29.21 | AnduinLothar | can't* |
| 02:29.22 | zespri_work | shadowed, thanks, that makes sense |
| 02:29.26 | Shadowed | np |
| 02:29.29 | AnduinLothar | i tried haxors + trickery |
| 02:29.33 | AnduinLothar | all failed |
| 02:29.48 | JoshBorke | btw |
| 02:29.50 | JoshBorke | what's the new toc? |
| 02:29.51 | Iriel | Ah well, time for an API request thread 8-) |
| 02:29.53 | AnduinLothar | can't get ScrollingMessageFrame or MessageFrame to size dynamicly liek an editbox |
| 02:29.56 | Iriel | 11100 |
| 02:30.06 | JoshBorke | well now, that's nice :-) |
| 02:34.10 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Mod Dev Discussions. 1.11 goes live 20 June. New TOC is 11100 |
| 02:34.15 | ckknight | zomg! |
| 02:36.57 | Mikk1 | Shadowed / zespri_work: Our guild uses split accounts for alts and mains. Which basically means that alts that get played a lot can actually get some loot. (But "please use your heads, folks" applies) |
| 02:38.01 | Kirkburn | Wow, it's late |
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| 02:38.40 | Kirkburn | 04:48 be it ... night night! |
| 02:39.01 | pbnj | Greetings internet pals. |
| 02:39.19 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn, greetings pbnj |
| 02:39.22 | zespri_work | Mikk1, this also means that alt that get played a little bit doesn't get a chanse in hell |
| 02:39.40 | Mikk1 | Yup |
| 02:39.45 | Mikk1 | As is fair imo =P |
| 02:39.54 | ckknight | greetings, pbnj |
| 02:39.55 | Mikk1 | Well actually, that's not true |
| 02:40.01 | Mikk1 | Our alts have lots of MC gear =P |
| 02:40.41 | Mikk1 | Point is, you're basically applying the same rules to alts that you're applying to players. Contribute lots -> get lots. Contribute little -> get little. |
| 02:40.41 | pbnj | So, pardon my ignorance -- do you guys discuss just UI stuff, or is library type dev talk acceptable as well? Basically looking to get hooked into a dev community. People seem to look down on mods on my server. |
| 02:41.01 | Mikk1 | Anything Lua or XML goes |
| 02:41.05 | Mikk1 | And random chitchat =) |
| 02:41.07 | Cairenn | why wouldn't we talk about libraries? |
| 02:41.20 | pbnj | Who knows. It's IRC. It's worth verifying.. |
| 02:41.24 | Kebinusan | cause they are evil places filled with books |
| 02:41.24 | Kirkburn | Hah, when I'm here it's VERY random chitchat |
| 02:41.24 | Cairenn | they are part of the WoW modding community |
| 02:41.35 | Mikk1 | ~whaleslap Kirkburn |
| 02:41.36 | purl | ACTION beats Kirkburn upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 02:41.45 | Kirkburn | Now I'll never sleep :( |
| 02:41.48 | Cairenn | ~whaleparry Mikk1 |
| 02:41.50 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Mikk1's attacks. |
| 02:41.50 | zespri_work | Carienn, who knows, what if the channel has strict "no libararies talk" policy? |
| 02:42.01 | Mikk1 | that'd be a stupid channel =P |
| 02:42.04 | Cairenn | lol zespri |
| 02:42.12 | Kirkburn | Phew, thanks Cairenn =) |
| 02:42.21 | Cairenn | the only "rules" in this channel are that you treat one another with respect |
| 02:42.30 | Mikk1 | except Kirkburn |
| 02:42.37 | Cairenn | debate is fine, nasty mean arguements aren't |
| 02:42.58 | Kirkburn | One down, 30 to go |
| 02:43.02 | Cairenn | night Mikk1|Zzz |
| 02:43.05 | pbnj | I'll throw this out there then, I've been working on a generic spell wrapper lib with the hopes that other people could find use in their programs. Basically scanning spellbook, gathering data and mapping against a library of buff/debuff type stuff so that when you CastSpellByName() there's some logic behind if you actually try to cast it or not. |
| 02:43.13 | zespri_work | you know guys, yesterday we had a power cut, and spent 4 hours without power. |
| 02:43.13 | pbnj | Does that sound useful to you guys? |
| 02:43.22 | zespri_work | I was in teh middle of cooking dinner |
| 02:43.30 | Cairenn | zespri: ewww |
| 02:43.39 | zespri_work | so I had to leave un-cooked yet liver on the stove |
| 02:43.43 | zespri_work | it was sad |
| 02:43.55 | zespri_work | and without a heater it's 10 degree in the house |
| 02:43.56 | Kirkburn | Liver: eww |
| 02:43.56 | pbnj | I'll put Mikk1 down as a 'yes' I suppose. |
| 02:44.04 | zespri_work | so I was prparing to be dancing all night long |
| 02:44.17 | zespri_work | by thankfull they repeared power by midnight |
| 02:44.24 | Kirkburn | Better than it being close to 30 at night |
| 02:44.29 | Kirkburn | Anyways, really night night now |
| 02:44.30 | Iriel | pbnj : There are some of those around, or at least, there are some of those that have been discussed before, I dont know how many are out in the wild, but doing that well could be handy, and it'd be a learning experience if nothing else. |
| 02:45.35 | pbnj | Yah. That was my thinking. I couldn't find anyone who does everything I want, but bits and pieces exist here and there. I'll continue the work and see what unfolds. I'm going through the DCB files right now to establish buff/debuff logic but some things are just kind of esoteric. |
| 02:45.46 | pbnj | Like elementals being immune from bleed damage. |
| 02:45.54 | pbnj | I can't find a place where random stuff like that is documented. |
| 02:46.13 | zespri_work | i don't beleive it;s documented anywhere |
| 02:46.27 | pbnj | I mentioned it on wowwiki. ;) |
| 02:46.32 | pbnj | <-- trendsetter! |
| 02:46.36 | zespri_work | I guess it's just part of specific mob design |
| 02:46.50 | zespri_work | and there are several dozen of different mobs |
| 02:47.15 | zespri_work | well wowwikik is a good place to mention it for sure |
| 02:49.02 | pbnj | Huh. Now that you mention it, I should just look in the dcb files. |
| 02:49.11 | pbnj | It's probably referenced there if its game logic. |
| 02:49.23 | zespri_work | Shadowed/Mikk1 how do the raid changes is handled in regards to loot? If someone should drop half-way and somebody else taking his place, the only ppl who present at actuall boss downing get to be elidgible for the loot? |
| 02:54.45 | zespri_work | It's 14:54 in auckland, 06:54 in Moscow and 19:54 in Seattle |
| 02:54.53 | Iriel | Opinion question -- Since the standard UI now allows the wheel to be bound to action buttons.... |
| 02:55.08 | JoshBorke | ew |
| 02:55.10 | Iriel | ... should I simply discontinue WheelBindings, or should I update it to 1.11 toc so people can transition? |
| 02:55.23 | JoshBorke | how much of an update is it? |
| 02:55.53 | Iriel | Changing 11000 to 11100 and uploading it 8-) |
| 02:56.02 | AnduinLothar | baweeted |
| 02:56.21 | zespri_work | Iriel, if you are most concerned with players convinience - update, if you most concerned with dev's best practices - discontinue |
| 02:56.40 | Iriel | It's more whether I should protect my users from themselves and force them to change |
| 02:57.35 | Shadowed | zespri: sorry in MC. you are elidgible as long as you are in the raid regardless of how long |
| 02:57.38 | Shadowed | if you have the DKP you can buy it |
| 02:57.55 | AnduinLothar | dkp ftl |
| 02:58.01 | AnduinLothar | my guild has leet AP |
| 02:58.12 | zespri_work | shadowed, take you time I'm in no way in a hurry =) |
| 02:58.25 | zespri_work | AP? how is it different? |
| 02:59.12 | AnduinLothar | we delegate purples in a comitee of officers and a random raid member who doesn't need the items |
| 03:00.02 | AnduinLothar | you get AP from attendance and you have a ratio based on AP/Items recieved |
| 03:00.22 | AnduinLothar | ratio is not a hard science, just something to help the grp decide who deserves it more |
| 03:00.50 | AnduinLothar | then we look at what they're going to replace and how dedicated they are |
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| 03:01.23 | zespri_work | what do you mean by delegate? |
| 03:01.25 | zenzelezz | sounds time consuming |
| 03:01.37 | Iriel | That wouldnt' work well in guilds of convenience (i.e. where everyone's a stranger), but sounds good for guilds that are fairly tight |
| 03:01.59 | AnduinLothar | it works just fine, we have 80 people or so in the guild |
| 03:02.00 | zespri_work | does it mean that you don;t get loot right after, only after the officers decides who gets what which can happen like tommorow? |
| 03:02.31 | AnduinLothar | it means someone stays to hold the corpse and eveyone else moves on, loot is distributed as it is delegated |
| 03:02.41 | zespri_work | who know how exaxtly do you bind stance change to a key? |
| 03:03.15 | AnduinLothar | it works fine for strangers cause the officers tend to know everyone, esp their class |
| 03:03.30 | AnduinLothar | and we tend to give new people loot on their first run |
| 03:04.03 | AnduinLothar | plus if you don't know them well you have their ratio and current gear to base your vote on |
| 03:04.56 | AnduinLothar | someone replacing a blue would usually get it over someone who already has a purple if they have the same ratio |
| 03:05.40 | AnduinLothar | and people who raid more get naturally more geared which helps raiding |
| 03:05.44 | zespri_work | interesting. I guess if the guild grows to 300 ppl it will became increasingly difficult |
| 03:06.08 | AnduinLothar | maybe, but guilds that size tend to have other problems too |
| 03:07.16 | AnduinLothar | we're big enough to schedule 40 man raids every other day and do 20 man pugs, pvp and instances in between |
| 03:07.43 | AnduinLothar | but not big enough to get 40 man pug grps |
| 03:07.57 | AnduinLothar | which you can usually do in 300 man guilds |
| 03:08.21 | AnduinLothar | it works for us |
| 03:08.28 | AnduinLothar | and is a lot less stressful |
| 03:08.37 | AnduinLothar | less competitive |
| 03:08.44 | AnduinLothar | more colaborative |
| 03:10.12 | AnduinLothar | and you basicly bid on anythign you would use |
| 03:10.28 | AnduinLothar | and let other people worry about if you deserve it or not |
| 03:11.13 | Iriel | Hm, IronForge is creepy on the PTR |
| 03:14.43 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 03:14.57 | Iriel | There's nobody there |
| 03:45.37 | SinePi | Hmm. Odd. |
| 03:45.48 | SinePi | Minimap:SetPlayerModel("file"). |
| 03:46.08 | SinePi | There are no publicly available .m2 editors, are there. |
| 03:46.46 | SinePi | So, what is the function of this - to change my minimap player position arrow to an orc model half a screen big, or what? |
| 03:46.56 | Cairenn | http://www.google.ca/search?q=.m2+editor&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official |
| 03:49.11 | SinePi | err, like, that like proved my point :) The only thing one can do with an .m2 now is import it into 3dsmax, and that without animations or anything. |
| 04:09.50 | Iriel | Any Bookworm users here? |
| 04:10.13 | Cairenn | <== previously |
| 04:13.48 | Cairenn | cool |
| 04:14.23 | Iriel | Now to upload them all |
| 04:14.26 | Iriel | Meh |
| 04:14.31 | Ktron | Out of curiously, bookworm does what? |
| 04:14.58 | Iriel | Stores the contents of books |
| 04:15.01 | Iriel | so you can read them later |
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| 04:30.15 | Kyahx | Cairenn: I posted an Ace mod on WoWI today and it got catagorized wrong (probley my fault). |
| 04:30.28 | Kyahx | I didnt see an Ace catagory in the upload interface. |
| 04:30.43 | Cairenn | link to it, and tell me where you want it |
| 04:31.26 | Kyahx | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=d063a8b05f32f3b6a65cab804bd9eb4f&id=5067 |
| 04:31.39 | Kyahx | gotta find the appropriet ace catagory...one sec |
| 04:31.55 | Cairenn | nm, will move it to corresponding |
| 04:31.56 | Kyahx | well, Inventory I guess :P |
| 04:32.08 | Cairenn | done |
| 04:32.10 | Kyahx | ty |
| 04:32.19 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 04:37.30 | KaeltenAway | night guys |
| 04:37.37 | Cairenn | night KaeltenAway |
| 04:39.32 | Iriel | All up to date on WoWI 8-) |
| 04:39.37 | Iriel | Well, as best as I can be |
| 04:43.26 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 04:44.12 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 04:44.13 | Cairenn | evening Esamynn |
| 04:44.26 | Esamynn | Iriel: don't you wish you had moderation powers over the changes threads? ;) |
| 04:44.41 | Iriel | Yes, I'll invoke Power Of Slouken (Rank infinite) at some point |
| 04:45.43 | Esamynn | lol, I like that plan |
| 04:46.43 | Iriel | Phew, all the 1.11 updating I can do for now done |
| 04:46.56 | Iriel | Now for my Actual Changes thread, and updating the widget API on the wiki |
| 04:47.04 | Esamynn | jeez, they waited late enough in the day to announce the patch |
| 04:47.15 | Iriel | PTR's still up 8-) |
| 04:47.26 | Esamynn | oh good, anyone on it atm? |
| 04:47.38 | Tain | Some days I think, "I'd like to create something that is loved and adored by the WoW community at large." Other days I think, "Hey look, TV." |
| 04:47.52 | Esamynn | Tain: I know the feeling |
| 04:48.12 | Iriel | Esamynn : Other than me, I dont think so |
| 04:48.38 | Iriel | 9 Alliance total on RPPVP |
| 04:48.42 | Esamynn | lol |
| 04:49.03 | Esamynn | sigh, I still haven't managed to get into Nax long enough to get the exact wording of the reset time message |
| 04:50.38 | Esamynn | it didn't help that I finally got Broodlord's head recently so I could start working my way through the scepter quest line |
| 04:52.57 | Cairenn | night sedatedChipmunk |
| 04:55.58 | Esamynn | oh well, i'm off to prepare for the patch, night folks |
| 04:56.21 | Cairenn | night Esamynn |
| 04:58.00 | Iriel | My new favorite API call name is KeyRingButtonIDToInvSlotID |
| 05:05.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | Whaa? |
| 05:06.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | what functionality will that provide? aren't stuff in keyrings pretty much just there, permanently? D: (i don't know lua, so i'm most likely missing something) |
| 05:06.46 | Iriel | I'm not sure what it's for yet, probably soem strange internal mapping |
| 05:06.54 | Iriel | The bank has similarly peculiar mapping functions |
| 05:07.15 | AnduinLothar | ya for long descriptive names |
| 05:07.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah its probably just for when you move something, it uses that API call internally or something |
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| 05:50.25 | Esamynn | sigh, I have a silly question, where is the test server npc to get into Naxx? |
| 05:50.54 | Esamynn | nm |
| 05:51.04 | Esamynn | people were standing on him |
| 06:00.48 | Ktron | slap them aruond |
| 06:00.49 | Ktron | heh |
| 06:01.00 | Ktron | I want to download the patch _now_ heheheheh |
| 06:01.02 | Esamynn | oh well, I got in |
| 06:01.11 | Esamynn | haven't you already downloaded most of it? |
| 06:01.26 | Ktron | is there a way to check how much you have downloaded? |
| 06:02.50 | Ktron | I think I downloaded one of the 'this is what you've probably downloaded hopefully' patchish things |
| 06:02.51 | Shadowed | they've only released about 127 MB of it i believe |
| 06:02.51 | Ktron | but |
| 06:02.51 | Esamynn | i've got a 100MB file and a 30Mb file in my wow-patch folder |
| 06:02.57 | Ktron | I'll look |
| 06:03.21 | Ktron | yep, ditto |
| 06:03.22 | Shadowed | wow-patch = 127 MB is what i have |
| 06:03.25 | Esamynn | well actually they aren't quite that big, |
| 06:03.32 | Esamynn | but yah, 127, that should be most of it |
| 06:03.36 | Ktron | wow-partial-1.MPQ and wow-partial-2.mpq |
| 06:03.42 | Ktron | k |
| 06:03.46 | Shadowed | but usually the downloader doesn't work too well so i just download it directly |
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| 06:07.16 | Esamynn | it has always worked fine for me |
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| 06:09.56 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:10.20 | Cairenn | hey s|loup |
| 06:21.07 | Iriel | I see the new instance API's return instance reset time in seconds |
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| 06:28.18 | MoonWolf | How is the patchday hit coming along so far ? |
| 06:28.37 | Esamynn | *PANIC* |
| 06:28.44 | Shadowed | well |
| 06:28.57 | Shadowed | righteous orbs have gone up to 150g and arcane crystals up to 100g on icecrown. whats that count as? |
| 06:29.22 | Kalroth | lol |
| 06:29.29 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 06:29.34 | Kalroth | I bought 3 orbs for less than 30 gold two days ago |
| 06:29.52 | Kalroth | and got a stash of 15+ arcane bars |
| 06:29.58 | Shadowed | a few guildies sold crystals for 100g too |
| 06:31.11 | Shadowed | bars probably wont go up that much since only thing that needs it is nax gear and plate FR |
| 06:31.13 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=397222 |
| 06:31.20 | Iriel | Actual API changes thread |
| 06:32.13 | Shadowed | Oh, how hard would it be to block those new raid icons? one of my guilds officers is going to use them to annoy me and i need to disable them! |
| 06:32.18 | Esamynn | took you long enough :P |
| 06:32.29 | Iriel | Yeah, I've been busy, slouken's been hassling me about it too! |
| 06:32.33 | Shadowed | btw your bold tag is broken for the instance management ones |
| 06:32.39 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 06:33.05 | Shadowed | finally IsInInstance() |
| 06:33.16 | haste_ | "new rction function" |
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| 06:34.36 | Iriel | Got them, I hope. |
| 06:35.42 | Esamynn | wow, short list this time |
| 06:38.27 | Iriel | Well, it's short on 'API' changes, big on 'Widget API' changes |
| 06:38.37 | Esamynn | :D |
| 06:39.45 | Iriel | Hm, I never noticed the bellows outside the forge in Goldshire actually have a sound effect |
| 06:39.58 | MoonWolf | what |
| 06:40.00 | MoonWolf | they do ? |
| 06:40.03 | MoonWolf | weird. |
| 06:40.06 | AnduinLothar | yup |
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| 06:40.28 | Iriel | It's actually pretty believable |
| 06:40.40 | Esamynn | amazing what you don't notice because it sounds so damn real huh? |
| 06:40.47 | Iriel | Wheezing of air and crinkling of leather |
| 06:40.54 | Iriel | I just dont know if i've ever been so close to them before |
| 06:42.01 | Iriel | Left handed navigation while typing here FTW! |
| 06:42.01 | Iriel | 8-) |
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| 06:44.28 | Iriel | Oh, back to the EULA |
| 06:44.37 | Iriel | I forgot I was going to diff that |
| 06:45.33 | Kaso | Bah why is 1.11 today :< i hadn' finished Transmuting all my essenses of water or Summoning all my lords :< |
| 06:46.39 | Esamynn | so? |
| 06:47.08 | Kaso | So i planned to have them all on the AH for rediculous profit as soon as 1.11 came around |
| 06:47.33 | Iriel | Heh, new CYA wording in the EULA: If your hardware meets the minimum requirements, the installation of the Game Client will enable you to play the Game by accessing your account with the Service (your "Account") |
| 06:49.27 | s|loup | oO |
| 06:49.49 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 06:50.51 | Iriel | Ah, new language explicitly prohibiting connection to emulated servers |
| 06:51.16 | Cairenn | good |
| 06:51.28 | Iriel | Ooh, and a Consent to Montior - in ALL CAPS |
| 06:51.35 | Iriel | Monitor, even |
| 06:52.06 | MoonWolf | new language ? |
| 06:52.18 | Iriel | Yes |
| 06:53.20 | MoonWolf | I think I am missing something here, I blame my Dutch nationality. |
| 06:54.19 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/720295 |
| 06:54.24 | Iriel | There's the new wording |
| 06:54.56 | MoonWolf | aha |
| 06:56.40 | Iriel | So the only big changes are 1) Toughening up of the anti-emulation wording, 2) The Consent to Monitor |
| 06:56.55 | MoonWolf | INTERCEPTS, “MINES,” OR OTHERWISE COLLECTS INFORMATION FROM OR THROUGH THE GAME. <- isnt that eeeuh, thottbot, alakazham, goblin workshop, wowguru |
| 06:56.57 | Iriel | Other than that there's some tightening of language here and there. |
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| 06:58.05 | Wobin | aw |
| 06:58.09 | Wobin | no Kirkburn |
| 06:58.10 | Iriel | Indeed, there's always been a prohibition on that, though the wording has been slightly vague |
| 06:58.36 | MoonWolf | so its simply tolerated ? |
| 06:59.06 | s|loup | juhu we can resolve the debuff type THANK GOD! |
| 06:59.34 | s|loup | or iriel? ^^ |
| 06:59.49 | krka|work | we could before too, but it required lookup tables |
| 07:00.05 | s|loup | i hate lookup tables |
| 07:00.19 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 07:00.29 | s|loup | does anyone know if you need a hardware event for DoReadyCheck() ? |
| 07:00.31 | MoonWolf | i prefer a simple get function too |
| 07:00.41 | MoonWolf | would not suprise me. |
| 07:01.19 | Elkano | Iriel, you forgot to put Bookworms 0.12's changelog on curse :) |
| 07:01.20 | s|loup | without hardware event it would be simple to outfox the system |
| 07:02.04 | Iriel | Elkano : Bah, I've been trying to get out of putting the changelogs on the addon sites, though WoWI has automatable uploads now I need to write a script for |
| 07:02.25 | Iriel | Elkano : The changelog is basically "Fixed scrollbar bug, Cleaned up font code" |
| 07:03.46 | Elkano | :) ok, as I expected :) |
| 07:04.21 | Esamynn | Iriel: automated uploads, where do I find details? |
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| 07:05.48 | Shadowed | automatable uploads? |
| 07:06.47 | chuckg_ | WoWI on lowbandwidth mode? |
| 07:07.01 | Shadowed | so they actually have a server tomorrow! |
| 07:07.22 | Cairenn | aye, to both the question and the answer |
| 07:07.47 | Shadowed | i'd imagine it starts picking up at this time where people start refreshing like crazy to get new mod uploads |
| 07:08.27 | s|loup | does anyone know if the background downloader will get an update with the patch? |
| 07:08.51 | Shadowed | From what they've said i'm pretty sure it will work just like it has before, except you wont be downloading the stuff you already did |
| 07:08.56 | Shadowed | nothing new will really change besides that |
| 07:23.22 | Iriel | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4685 |
| 07:23.29 | Iriel | (re automation) |
| 07:30.35 | Iriel | Well, methinks it's time to go to bed |
| 07:30.59 | MoonWolf | night |
| 07:33.07 | Cairenn | night Iriel |
| 07:33.22 | Iriel | Good luck with the patch crunch |
| 07:33.36 | Cairenn | to all in channel ;) |
| 07:45.55 | Cairenn | okay, sleep time for me |
| 07:46.02 | Shadowed | night |
| 07:53.28 | AnduinLothar | hawt, got LF chest in ubrs, downed val in the beast's room, did a 45min strat and got lf chest and 21 fr ring and did 4 dukes today... |
| 07:53.46 | Shadowed | you got LF chest twice? |
| 07:54.04 | AnduinLothar | soryy, pants in bd |
| 07:54.06 | Shadowed | ncie |
| 07:54.11 | Shadowed | s/ncie/nice |
| 07:54.15 | Shadowed | bah |
| 07:55.22 | AnduinLothar | yeah, very productive day |
| 07:55.23 | Shadowed | Nobody happens to know the secret enterance into undercity do they? need to go inside as alliance :( |
| 07:56.33 | Cairenn|sleep | as you're coming from SilverPines into TrisifalGlades, the road curves around the walls of the city to the right ... don't follow it, instead go off the road and follow the mountain line / zone edge to the left, you'll find the entrance to the sewers |
| 07:56.45 | Shadowed | thanks |
| 07:57.30 | Cairenn|sleep | welcome |
| 07:58.25 | Kalroth | g'night Cairy :) |
| 07:58.39 | Kaso | Anyone know where the secret enterance to IF or stormwind is? oh wait there isn't one -_- |
| 07:59.37 | Shadowed | You get WoTF to make up for it |
| 07:59.50 | Shadowed | and less stupid people! |
| 08:00.05 | s|loup | the main enterance is the secret enterance ;) |
| 08:00.24 | Shadowed | i don't really know where i'm suppose to go so i can't just force my way through, trying to get Draconic for dummies |
| 08:02.41 | Shadowed | the secert enterance exit is on the otherside of where i'm suppose to go. this should be fun |
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| 09:12.45 | s|loup | are there new events for readycheck? |
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| 09:31.53 | Kaso | s|loup its READY_CHECK |
| 09:32.32 | s|loup | ok thx |
| 09:33.20 | Kaso | Does anyone know if wow requires anything in the way of Registsary entries to run? I'm thinking of getting a Portable HDD and installing wow on it for when i want to play on a computer that isnt mine. |
| 09:35.46 | Shadowed | pretty sure all of the data is stored in the WTF directory |
| 09:36.59 | Kaso | i guess that makes sense seeing as it works for Mac as well as windows |
| 09:37.14 | Kaso | I wonder what sort of performance hit i'd take from running of USB hard disk |
| 09:37.49 | Shadowed | i don't think thats really possible |
| 09:37.58 | Shadowed | ah hard disk not thumb drive, nevermind! |
| 09:38.48 | Kaso | someone is advertising a 10GB portable HDD for quite cheap, though 10GB would be cutting it close |
| 09:39.56 | Shadowed | as long as you don't store to many screenshots you should be fine |
| 09:40.08 | Shadowed | mines only about 6-7g big |
| 09:40.17 | Kaso | dear god ive got nearly 4gb of screenshots! |
| 09:42.51 | AnduinLothar | i've run wow from an ipod before, works fine |
| 09:44.01 | Kaso | Hmm, might be worth it then |
| 09:44.14 | Kaso | depends if i have money spear |
| 09:45.14 | Kaso | or spare even. |
| 09:46.03 | AnduinLothar | increases loading times a bit, but if you have firewire it's not that bad, lil slowere usb2 |
| 09:46.18 | AnduinLothar | def not as good as a 100k rpm drive tho |
| 09:46.25 | AnduinLothar | or even 7.2k |
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| 09:47.42 | Kaso | 100k drive hu? where can i get one of these sweet machines? |
| 09:48.58 | AnduinLothar | SATA 10k drive, usually only 10-20gb |
| 09:49.16 | AnduinLothar | sorry, not 100k |
| 09:49.37 | AnduinLothar | tho there are also new 750gb drives out |
| 09:49.41 | AnduinLothar | 72rpm |
| 09:49.47 | AnduinLothar | 7.2k* |
| 09:50.25 | Kaso | Anyway hard drives are so old hat, give me a ramdrive anyday |
| 09:51.39 | Tentacled | errrm. Is is normal that on PST instead of the experience bar I have 35500/36000 reputation bar for Bloodsail Buccaneers that my reputation pane shows I've never even seen..? |
| 09:51.52 | Tentacled | s/PST/PTR/ |
| 09:52.00 | Kaso | yeh mine was like that. |
| 09:52.43 | Tentacled | well then, if it's a bug, where do I report it? through GM tickets on the PTR? |
| 09:53.36 | Kaso | no GMs on PTR its not really a bug, its just the way the premade chars are set up |
| 09:54.25 | Wobin | well you're 60 on the PTR, aren't you? |
| 09:54.40 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 09:54.52 | Wobin | so no experience =) |
| 09:54.58 | Tentacled | set up to contain an inconsistency? quite odd, I'd say. |
| 09:57.21 | Tentacled | similarly when I first opened the First Aid tradeskill panel, both filtering dropdowns said "Alterac Mountains", instead of filtering options. Huh. |
| 10:02.40 | Kaso | is EU ptr still up then? |
| 10:02.58 | Tentacled | and, errr. Any idea for a reasonable use of Minimap:SetPlayerModel(...) ? Seeing as we don't have any .m2 editors/exporters, only viewers? |
| 10:03.05 | Tentacled | Kaso: I guess so. |
| 10:03.41 | Kaso | I didn't understand that when i read it, why is there a model on the minimap |
| 10:03.52 | Tentacled | that's the model of the center arrow. |
| 10:04.05 | Tentacled | it can now be changed to a different .m2 model. |
| 10:04.12 | Kaso | its not a texture? |
| 10:04.23 | Tentacled | it is, but placed on a model. Odd, but true. |
| 10:04.41 | Tentacled | A minimap ping is a model too - with three rectangles overlapping and animating with textures. |
| 10:04.43 | Kaso | oh bizzare |
| 10:04.58 | Wobin | Nah =) |
| 10:05.02 | Tentacled | anyway, the player indicator is a square with a texture. |
| 10:05.12 | Wobin | I can't recall who, but someone used that arrow model to write a compass mod =) |
| 10:05.19 | Wobin | It was a very nifty use |
| 10:05.31 | Tentacled | Wobin: okay, but they used the arrow model, which is quite fine. |
| 10:05.45 | Tentacled | now it's possible to change what the minimap uses - but change to WHAT, I wonder. |
| 10:05.45 | Wobin | Well they used 'getdirectionfacing' on that model |
| 10:05.56 | Wobin | to figure out the arrow |
| 10:06.02 | Kaso | Ah the good old days. |
| 10:06.44 | Tentacled | change minimap player model to... say... a big hulking ogre model? hardly. Well then, what other map-usable models are there, if we still can't make our own? |
| 10:07.22 | Kaso | that'd be quite amusing |
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| 10:10.48 | Wobin | I think having a topdown view of a cat or something would be cute |
| 10:10.56 | Wobin | Animate it running |
| 10:11.05 | Tentacled | if you could scale it down, perhaps. |
| 10:11.14 | Wobin | yeah |
| 10:11.14 | Tentacled | you can't, however, at least not now. |
| 10:11.28 | Wobin | hehe change the player model to the arrow model =) |
| 10:11.36 | Tentacled | oh. :D |
| 10:11.49 | Tentacled | Day of the Tentacle! :D |
| 10:11.59 | Wobin | Brilliant |
| 10:12.01 | Kaso | Anyone happen to have Wow-0.11.0.5413-to-0.11.0.5428-enGB on a http or ftp ? |
| 10:12.37 | Tentacled | http://home.sinpi.net/WoW-0.11.0.5413-to-0.11.0.5428-enGB-patch.exe |
| 10:12.40 | Tentacled | knock yourself out |
| 10:12.59 | Kaso | <3 |
| 10:13.12 | Kaso | spend like 15min on the first 200kb from the downloader |
| 10:14.32 | Tentacled | that's because blizzard sucks for inventing a background downloader but not background UPloader, even though they're using torrent. Talk about shooting their own foot. |
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| 10:20.59 | Wobin | while holding the gun with their feet |
| 10:21.31 | Tentacled | mad ricochet party... or they have four feet. Hardly surprising. |
| 10:22.08 | Wobin | oh that's new |
| 10:22.17 | Wobin | They now show the server list, but with 'offline' |
| 10:26.00 | Kaso | Whats this?! no errors at all on any of my addons on the test server, this cannot be! |
| 10:27.39 | Tentacled | let me know when you download the patch from me so that I can pull it down. |
| 10:28.13 | Tentacled | oh. err. My perception is on the downside today. |
| 10:29.29 | Kaso | ha ;> |
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| 11:06.58 | s|loup | for what are the new GM survey functions? |
| 11:07.53 | Kaso | its some quality assurance feedback survey type thing. |
| 11:08.20 | Kaso | various radio box asking you to rate your GM experance from 1 to 8 |
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| 11:10.37 | Kirkburn | Morning! |
| 11:12.15 | Kaso | Afternoon! |
| 11:17.07 | clad|sleep | is there a patch to download this morning |
| 11:17.14 | clad|sleep | or should I leave my PC off? =) |
| 11:17.15 | clad|sleep | oh |
| 11:17.21 | clad|sleep | channel topic |
| 11:17.22 | clad|sleep | i lose. |
| 11:17.35 | clad|sleep | whatever i'm still sleeping =) |
| 11:19.09 | clad|work | Good morning Clad.. how are you doing today? |
| 11:19.14 | clad|work | clad|work: I'm well.. thanks for asking. |
| 11:19.21 | s|loup | hihi |
| 11:19.29 | clad|work | hehe |
| 11:20.18 | Kaso | is there a way of seeing if a table with strings as keys is empty or not without doing foreach? |
| 11:20.30 | clad|work | Kaso: next(tbl) |
| 11:20.35 | clad|work | if it returns nil, the table has no pairs |
| 11:20.53 | clad|work | if not next(tbl) |
| 11:20.53 | clad|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.53 | clad|work | end |
| 11:21.06 | Kaso | sweet |
| 11:21.43 | clad|work | Kaso: next() is just the iterator returned when you call pairs() which works on arbitrary keyed tables, as well as integer indexed keyed tables |
| 11:22.27 | krka|work | i usually define this function, but next works too: function isEmpty(t) for k in t do return false end return true end |
| 11:24.24 | s|loup | index - GetRaidTargetIndex("unit") <- anyone knows for what index stands for? |
| 11:24.50 | clad|work | the icon over their head i believe |
| 11:25.14 | s|loup | the index of the icon? or the index of a list of targets? |
| 11:25.27 | s|loup | or the index of the unit in raid? |
| 11:25.53 | clad|work | i'm not sure, haven't had a chance to play |
| 11:26.01 | s|loup | k |
| 11:26.13 | s|loup | same as me ;) |
| 11:26.39 | clad|work | check iriel's change thread |
| 11:26.45 | clad|work | or wdn to see if you can find the usage |
| 11:26.49 | clad|work | wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 11:26.58 | clad|work | is the new FrameXML and Blizzard Addons |
| 11:27.58 | zespri | who remebers the url of norganna's blizz forum shredder? |
| 11:28.00 | Legorol | hi folks |
| 11:28.04 | Legorol | anyone on US, is the patch up yet? |
| 11:28.06 | s|loup | wow didnt know that site before |
| 11:28.15 | s|loup | great |
| 11:28.16 | zespri | patch is not up, but servers are down |
| 11:28.43 | Kirkburn | What time is it there? |
| 11:29.22 | Wobin | Kirk! |
| 11:29.26 | clad|work | its 7:30 here |
| 11:29.29 | clad|work | patch not available. |
| 11:29.32 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axL92jPROp8 <-- Pure Essex |
| 11:29.49 | Wobin | (Even though she's not really from Essex... she embodies it anyway =P) |
| 11:29.49 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cide (i=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 11:29.56 | clad|work | have a good day everyone. |
| 11:30.06 | Cide | you as well, clad|work :) |
| 11:30.08 | Legorol | you too, clad|work |
| 11:30.11 | Kalroth | bye clad! |
| 11:30.14 | clad|work | i'll be conspicuously absent this week.. my sister comes into town with my niece and nephew!!!!!! |
| 11:30.36 | Kalroth | Suuure, you're just making up excuses to miss out on the patch madness |
| 11:31.43 | Cide | I see... my... friend's grandfather's sister's brother's dog's previous owner's hamster has died. as such, I will not be here today. |
| 11:31.55 | Kalroth | Oh no you don't |
| 11:31.56 | Wobin | "I think I left the stove on" |
| 11:32.06 | krka|work | my condolences :/( |
| 11:32.20 | krka|work | it's always painful to lose a friend's grandfather's sister's brother's dog's previous owner's hamster |
| 11:32.26 | Cide | yes. |
| 11:32.36 | Kalroth | Cide: if CTRA isn't fixed by tonight then you'll hear angry raiders knocking at your door! |
| 11:32.37 | Wobin | It happens far too often |
| 11:32.37 | Cide | heh wow, PTRs are still up? |
| 11:32.47 | Cide | it was never broken :) |
| 11:32.55 | Kalroth | oh |
| 11:33.20 | krka|work | Cide, when you decide to quit wow modding, can you in your final release include some code that mails money to people? :) |
| 11:33.35 | krka|work | that would pwn |
| 11:33.35 | Cide | haha |
| 11:33.42 | Cide | we'll see :) |
| 11:33.54 | krka|work | just include a table with servers / characters / faction |
| 11:33.56 | Cide | I shall make a character on every server |
| 11:34.04 | Cide | and become rich (and famous) |
| 11:34.14 | krka|work | the most hated man in wow :) |
| 11:34.26 | Cide | it'd probably make it into the newspapers |
| 11:34.41 | Cide | that would be quite a scam |
| 11:34.48 | Kalroth | [CTRA] WARNING: Please move to a mailbox. |
| 11:35.08 | Cide | I'd just make it show the mail icon, but blinking :) |
| 11:35.26 | Kaso | You'd have to put it on a timer, say to start happening a week after patch day, otherwise the news would get out before people update :> |
| 11:35.38 | krka|work | yeah |
| 11:35.38 | Kalroth | lol, Cide has already thought it of |
| 11:36.12 | Legorol | and the scary part is: you'd get away with it, and at worst get a ban |
| 11:36.18 | Legorol | but even that's not necessarily the case |
| 11:36.29 | Legorol | you'd probably get banned under malicious UI |
| 11:36.35 | krka|work | who would they ban? |
| 11:36.41 | Legorol | Cide |
| 11:36.48 | krka|work | that assumes that blizzard can connect cide the player with cide the coder |
| 11:36.57 | krka|work | i _know_ blizzard can't do that for me, for instance |
| 11:37.04 | Legorol | it doesn't take a genius to open up CTRA and notice that it's mailing money to specific characters |
| 11:37.04 | Kalroth | <Cide> It wasn't me, it was C1de! |
| 11:37.08 | Cide | well, it'd be fairly obvious |
| 11:37.14 | Legorol | you go check those characters, and lo and behold, they are all on the same account |
| 11:37.15 | krka|work | mail to random people |
| 11:37.19 | krka|work | that would be even funnier |
| 11:37.20 | Legorol | then you ban that account |
| 11:37.22 | Cide | haha |
| 11:37.26 | Cide | that would be funny |
| 11:37.29 | Legorol | that's true |
| 11:37.33 | krka|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.36 | Legorol | it's a pity they took out /splitmoney |
| 11:37.49 | Legorol | otherwise, you could've put it in so that raids become communist: |
| 11:37.55 | Legorol | they share all their money with each other |
| 11:37.55 | Cide | I've been thinking about showing wrong health values for alliance guilds on certain dates |
| 11:38.06 | Legorol | no, do it for Horde! |
| 11:38.15 | s|loup | lol |
| 11:38.21 | Kalroth | Cide: hahah |
| 11:38.49 | Cide | if ( event == "UNIT_HEALTH" ) then --local health = UnitHealth(arg1);\n local health = math.random()*UnitHealthMax(arg1) end |
| 11:38.52 | Cide | that'd be pretty funny |
| 11:39.37 | Cide | or just hook UnitHealth to return math.random.. hmm! :) |
| 11:39.39 | zespri | was splitmoney ever in? |
| 11:39.43 | Elkano | why do I feel reminded of the code that put linen for 1c in the AH ^^ |
| 11:39.45 | Cide | zespri: yes |
| 11:39.56 | Cide | Elkano: that was for my own purposes |
| 11:39.58 | Kalroth | "New CTRA Naxxaramas update, required for a few competing alliance guilds on my server. Thanks!" |
| 11:40.09 | Cide | and it never ran without typing in some /script commands |
| 11:40.33 | Cide | (I was in charge of material transfers horde<->alliance on our server.. oh god :() |
| 11:40.43 | Kalroth | >< |
| 11:41.08 | *** join/#wowi-lounge [Wobin] (n=Wobin@221.221.37.148) |
| 11:45.17 | *** join/#wowi-lounge wereHamster (n=tomc@gw.ptr-62-65-141-13.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 11:53.53 | Kirkburn | I need something to type to make an error appear |
| 11:54.02 | Kirkburn | Suggest me something :) |
| 11:54.07 | Cide | a)) |
| 11:54.21 | krka|work | a=a=a |
| 11:54.33 | Cide | true = false |
| 11:54.39 | Legorol | :) |
| 11:54.42 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 11:54.45 | Legorol | as in, type :) |
| 11:54.53 | Legorol | Kirkburn's idea works too |
| 11:54.58 | Wobin | error() |
| 11:55.00 | Legorol | lol |
| 11:55.06 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 11:55.06 | Legorol | i just realised Kirkburn asked it first |
| 11:55.31 | Legorol | nvm, comatose... didn't have my coffee yet |
| 11:55.52 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: use this one: http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=ScannerError.gif&category=Computer&date=2002-10-04 |
| 11:56.18 | Kalroth | replace 'scanner' with Addon |
| 11:57.06 | Cide | haha, that's awesome |
| 11:57.50 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 11:58.07 | Kalroth | or http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=viao.jpg&category=Computer&date=2002-10-08 |
| 11:59.05 | Kirkburn | What's the error frame in the UI files? |
| 11:59.48 | Cide | haha, wow |
| 12:24.25 | Legorol | wow, Curse has gone nuts |
| 12:24.42 | Legorol | has anyone else got an email from them saying they are disabling account logins for the next two days? |
| 12:24.56 | Kalroth | I guess it's to prepare for the patch madness? |
| 12:25.06 | Legorol | well ok, let's have a look at the issues: |
| 12:25.18 | Kalroth | "In an attempt to rise above the challenges that are brought to us on every Blizzard patch day, we will be disabling all accounts on Curse Gaming for the duration of the two-day patch period. To componsate for author's not being able to update their files due to this, we have setup a different page temporarily which will allow you to login and update your files should the need arrise" |
| 12:25.32 | Legorol | "should the need arise" |
| 12:25.33 | Legorol | hilarious |
| 12:25.42 | Legorol | ok, so they have a solution to one issue: |
| 12:25.46 | Legorol | authors can log in and update |
| 12:25.56 | Legorol | but will these files, submitted to their beta site, make its way to the live site? who knows |
| 12:26.01 | Legorol | there is another issue too |
| 12:26.08 | Legorol | users who want to log in to check their favourites |
| 12:26.25 | Legorol | now, on patch day, when you have to download about 50 addons, you have to hunt down each and every one of them manually |
| 12:26.29 | Legorol | becvause you can't access your favourites! |
| 12:26.31 | Legorol | brilliant! |
| 12:26.40 | Kalroth | dunno, I don't use my favorites |
| 12:26.43 | Kalroth | I prefer search |
| 12:26.52 | Legorol | yes but a vast majority of the users do |
| 12:27.01 | Legorol | the whole *point* of favourites is that you can see which addons are updated already |
| 12:27.03 | JoshBorke | morning all |
| 12:27.07 | Legorol | hi |
| 12:27.17 | Legorol | am i the only one that thinks it was silly of CG to do this? |
| 12:27.23 | Legorol | i understand patch related load etc. |
| 12:27.24 | Cide | that's why I like CG :) |
| 12:27.26 | Cide | err. |
| 12:27.27 | Cide | WoWI |
| 12:27.41 | Wobin | Select all rightclick update =0 |
| 12:27.54 | Cide | and no Legorol, that's quite silly (though somewhat understandable.. still a rather weird solution to the problem) |
| 12:28.13 | Legorol | funnily enough, i can still log in just fine |
| 12:28.39 | Kalroth | same here |
| 12:30.39 | Legorol | lol, look at the thread: |
| 12:30.39 | Legorol | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=396933&p=1&tmp=1#post396933 |
| 12:30.53 | Legorol | two posts by a moron, and three feature requests already |
| 12:31.01 | JoshBorke | so cide, how's CTRA 2 coming? ^_^ |
| 12:31.21 | Cide | seeing as I'm almost level 60, I can start soon! |
| 12:31.32 | Kalroth | Cide: you made a new alt?! :) |
| 12:32.11 | Cide | I rerolled |
| 12:32.16 | Kalroth | >< |
| 12:32.19 | JoshBorke | >< |
| 12:32.29 | Kalroth | let me guess, you're a night elf female rogue now! |
| 12:32.37 | krka|work | anyone know when we will be able to transfer characters over accounts? |
| 12:32.57 | Kalroth | Not Too Soon(tm) |
| 12:33.20 | Kalroth | rumours goes that it'll be quarter 4 this year, but .. |
| 12:33.31 | krka|work | crap |
| 12:33.51 | krka|work | my money scheme will suffer |
| 12:35.41 | Legorol | ehm... |
| 12:35.52 | Legorol | afaik, they never said they'll do characters over accounts |
| 12:35.56 | Legorol | only paid server transfer |
| 12:36.11 | krka|work | they never said that? :/ |
| 12:36.18 | Legorol | In fact I'd be pretty sure they won't do characters over accounts, even though it would make sense |
| 12:36.31 | krka|work | i heard something about transfering over accounts if both accounts were registered to the same household |
| 12:36.38 | Legorol | really? |
| 12:36.42 | Legorol | that'd be awesome if they did that |
| 12:36.44 | Legorol | but i haven't seen it |
| 12:36.47 | krka|work | i have no source or anything |
| 12:36.47 | krka|work | :/ |
| 12:36.51 | Legorol | krka: gief link or die! |
| 12:37.26 | krka|work | i wonder if i could report Legolor as an illegal name (too close to legolas :P) |
| 12:37.32 | krka|work | err, legorol, i mean |
| 12:37.48 | Legorol | if anything, you could report me for TM violation because it's too close to Lego ;-) |
| 12:37.52 | JoshBorke | ( krka|work ): i read the same thing, it was part of Battle Plan 3 |
| 12:38.03 | Legorol | since Lego is what i had in mind (not stupid Legolas, bleh) |
| 12:38.14 | krka|work | battle plan 3? |
| 12:38.27 | Legorol | darn, US forums gone restricted |
| 12:38.30 | Legorol | no more posting :( |
| 12:38.49 | krka|work | hmm? even more restricted? |
| 12:39.55 | Legorol | yeah |
| 12:40.03 | Legorol | right now, not only EU can't post on it, but US can't either :) |
| 12:40.29 | JoshBorke | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8141169&p=1&tmp=1#post8141169 |
| 12:40.59 | JoshBorke | well blast, looking back through i don't see it... |
| 12:41.42 | Legorol | they only said realm transfer |
| 12:41.51 | JoshBorke | ah! |
| 12:41.51 | JoshBorke | Yes we will allow account-to-account transfers. We will only allow account transfers within the same household to prevent abusive behavior. We will release the details as we get closer. |
| 12:41.58 | Legorol | oh? |
| 12:42.03 | JoshBorke | post 40 on page 2 |
| 12:42.15 | End | I live in the same house...as...this powerleveler.... |
| 12:42.26 | Legorol | exactly |
| 12:42.31 | End | (not that'd I'd ever pay to get a char leveled for me) |
| 12:42.33 | Legorol | JoshBorke: thanks! |
| 12:42.48 | JoshBorke | =D |
| 12:42.48 | Legorol | i think there is no 100% way of doing restricted account-to-account transfer |
| 12:43.00 | Legorol | powerlevelers will always get around it |
| 12:43.05 | Legorol | and the people that suffer will be the end users |
| 12:43.08 | Legorol | example scenario: |
| 12:43.15 | Legorol | i get my GF hooked, she plays on my account for a bit |
| 12:43.19 | Legorol | now she wants her own account |
| 12:43.29 | Legorol | she goes and buys, and she can't transfer... because she hasn't moved in with me yet! |
| 12:43.34 | Legorol | (hypothetical scenario) |
| 12:43.54 | Legorol | allowing account-to-account transfer is a good idea from Blizz, definitely |
| 12:44.06 | Legorol | let's face it, a large number of people get hooked to WoW by friends, who let them try it out on their account |
| 12:44.17 | krka|work | yeah |
| 12:44.18 | Industrial | Yay for character trading |
| 12:44.22 | Industrial | *cough* |
| 12:44.31 | Legorol | many of these don't buy an account only because they'd have to start over |
| 12:44.32 | End | I think that's why they added the recruit a friend thing, but now you can have 5 trials out at a time |
| 12:44.41 | Legorol | recruit a friend is useless |
| 12:44.47 | Legorol | let's face it, the 10-day max. lvl 20 is nothing |
| 12:44.57 | Legorol | many people play on friends' account way beyond that |
| 12:45.10 | End | yeah, it is awfully limited |
| 12:45.22 | Legorol | among my friends, i don't know anyone who bothered with it |
| 12:45.29 | Industrial | its supposed to be limiting |
| 12:45.33 | Legorol | anyone that i know that got hooked due to a friend, played on their friend's account first |
| 12:45.45 | Legorol | Industrial: yes, limiting trial accounts is fine |
| 12:45.46 | End | a friend of mine used it, since he knew he was buying the game anyways |
| 12:45.51 | krka|work | omg angola is going to kick all sorts of ass in their next match |
| 12:45.54 | krka|work | many points for me! |
| 12:46.05 | End | so he was willing to do it to get me a free month ;p |
| 12:46.12 | Legorol | hehe |
| 12:46.22 | Legorol | makes sense |
| 12:46.55 | Industrial | FUCK |
| 12:46.56 | Industrial | (sorry) |
| 12:47.11 | End | o_O |
| 12:47.24 | Industrial | It explored all over my face :< |
| 12:47.28 | Industrial | exploded* |
| 12:47.32 | Cide | http://www.ctmod.net/ <- updated for 1.11 if anyone cares |
| 12:47.39 | Legorol | brilliant forum post, check this out: |
| 12:47.40 | Legorol | Re: ugh, how much longer is this going to tak | 6/20/2006 4:47:39 AM PDT |
| 12:47.40 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.40 | Legorol | isn't it 11:45 AM PST now |
| 12:47.40 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.56 | End | hah, what? |
| 12:48.01 | Legorol | check the time it was posted |
| 12:48.13 | Legorol | that guy is 7 hours out of sync |
| 12:48.25 | End | yeah |
| 12:48.28 | End | I saw that |
| 12:48.29 | Industrial | o_O |
| 12:48.51 | Legorol | Industrial: ouch about the bottle |
| 12:48.58 | Legorol | but you see, water and ice has this curious property... |
| 12:49.34 | JoshBorke | ( Industrial ): lol, i've done that many a time, though usually it doesn't explode... |
| 12:50.13 | Legorol | you see, it all happens because water-ice has a negative thermal expansivity |
| 12:50.36 | krka|work | big words for saying that ice is bigger than water :P |
| 12:50.46 | Legorol | krka, don't spoil me fun :) |
| 12:50.51 | Legorol | but it isn't though |
| 12:50.54 | End | I wouldn't say bigger |
| 12:50.58 | krka|work | as opposed to most other substances, where the solid is smaller than the liquid :P |
| 12:51.04 | Legorol | i have a 1L bottle of water, definitely bigger than this ice cube in my cup |
| 12:51.09 | End | less dense is a better way to put it |
| 12:51.16 | Legorol | so krka, you are talking nonsense.. |
| 12:51.27 | Legorol | :) |
| 12:51.29 | krka|work | you know what i mean |
| 12:51.32 | Legorol | hehe, got ya |
| 12:51.35 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 12:51.42 | krka|work | you're the dense one, not the water :P |
| 12:51.45 | Legorol | i do, but you are not explaining it to me, but to Industrial ;-) |
| 12:51.49 | End | of course, we just have to pick at everything you say |
| 12:53.46 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1564.0.html |
| 12:53.47 | Industrial | omfg |
| 12:53.50 | Industrial | :o |
| 12:54.02 | End | I can't believe it's not butter! |
| 12:54.32 | Industrial | dat is juzt schweet |
| 12:54.59 | krka|work | give pic please |
| 12:55.06 | Cide | Industrial: re-upload it on.. say, imagelink.org |
| 12:55.13 | Industrial | why.. its there.. |
| 12:55.19 | Kalroth | you need an account to see it |
| 12:55.22 | krka|work | dont have account |
| 12:55.23 | Industrial | sigh |
| 12:56.17 | Industrial | http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8333/indexphp5xz.jpg |
| 12:56.30 | krka|work | thanks! but do it faster next time :P |
| 12:56.41 | Industrial | ~stab krka|work |
| 12:56.48 | purl | ACTION runs at krka|work with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 12:56.48 | Industrial | get an account |
| 12:56.48 | krka|work | :/ |
| 12:56.48 | JoshBorke | the fubar thing is awesome |
| 12:57.30 | krka|work | cool, looks like super mario bullets |
| 12:58.24 | Cide | you should so use imagelink.org :P |
| 12:58.34 | Cide | imageshack is the slowest of the slow :( |
| 12:59.14 | Industrial | Cide: you upload it there please |
| 12:59.17 | Industrial | i need an account |
| 12:59.21 | Cide | do Temp Upload |
| 12:59.23 | Industrial | ;> |
| 12:59.29 | Cide | no access necessary (unlike Ace, ha!) |
| 12:59.42 | Industrial | but um.. ace has interesting stuff... ha! |
| 12:59.57 | End | your face is interesting |
| 13:00.01 | Industrial | very |
| 13:00.09 | End | :X |
| 13:00.13 | Cide | it's still loading for me :( |
| 13:00.29 | End | loaded fine for me |
| 13:01.15 | JoshBorke | i think cide is just slow |
| 13:01.21 | Industrial | ha! |
| 13:01.22 | Cide | wtb imagelink.org link! |
| 13:01.22 | Industrial | :P |
| 13:01.35 | Kalroth | Cide: http://imagelink.org/temp/250 |
| 13:01.42 | Cide | cheers |
| 13:01.44 | Industrial | boo :p |
| 13:01.53 | Cide | loaded! see? lightning fast :P |
| 13:02.06 | End | wow |
| 13:02.08 | End | that is faster |
| 13:02.27 | End | imageshack wasn't bad for me, but that was like lightning fast |
| 13:02.52 | JoshBorke | where do the buttons go? |
| 13:03.28 | End | what buttons? |
| 13:03.42 | End | we don't need no stinken buttons |
| 13:06.07 | Cide | imageshack finally loaded |
| 13:06.22 | Kaso | imageshack sucks! |
| 13:06.34 | End | your face su... |
| 13:06.45 | Kaso | haha |
| 13:06.54 | End | I'm done with your face |
| 13:06.56 | End | er |
| 13:07.00 | End | ... |
| 13:07.01 | JoshBorke | er |
| 13:07.05 | JoshBorke | i'm just gonna go now... |
| 13:07.06 | End | that's not what I meant |
| 13:07.16 | JoshBorke | leave you guys alone... |
| 13:08.13 | Kaso | CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM is the one for Fred rolls 54 right? |
| 13:08.40 | Cide | yes |
| 13:08.52 | Kaso | hmm =/ why isnt it detecting them then :< |
| 13:09.02 | Cide | maybe I'm wrong :) |
| 13:09.43 | Kaso | guess ill test it, why did i disable my event testing addon anyway :< now i have to relog. |
| 13:09.56 | Kalroth | isn't it only for afk's and such? |
| 13:10.04 | Cide | it's for a lot of stuff |
| 13:10.29 | Kaso | its the right event |
| 13:10.41 | Kaso | guess my string.find must be wrong somehow |
| 13:11.00 | Cide | what are you using? |
| 13:11.23 | Kaso | local name,roll,min,max = string.find(msg,"(.+) rolls (%d+) %((%d+)%-(%d+)%)") |
| 13:12.52 | End | I think you are missing ranges |
| 13:13.02 | End | as in |
| 13:13.09 | End | local _,_,etcetc |
| 13:13.13 | Kaso | ooh |
| 13:13.17 | Kaso | yeh |
| 13:13.20 | Cide | no |
| 13:13.22 | Cide | returns nil |
| 13:14.05 | Cide | or maybe not.. |
| 13:14.21 | Kaso | tis working now |
| 13:14.33 | Kaso | noob mistake |
| 13:14.43 | Cide | haha, okay. I failed at copying the message |
| 13:16.40 | Kirkburn | Is the damage number appearing over your portrait an addon or part of the standard UI? |
| 13:16.53 | End | standard ui I believe |
| 13:19.37 | JoshBorke | is the patch up to be downloaded yet? |
| 13:20.32 | Wobin | Standard ui |
| 13:20.44 | Kirkburn | Hrm, I've never realy noticed it |
| 13:22.11 | End | I just don't have a standard player frame :P |
| 13:22.17 | JoshBorke | ok, so what does "+gP mean in key sequences? |
| 13:22.37 | JoshBorke | when i try typing " then gP it doesn't work :-/ |
| 13:22.59 | JoshBorke | it supposed to dump my clipboard contents in gvim :-/ |
| 13:23.53 | End | maybe the entire key sequence in order? |
| 13:24.20 | JoshBorke | blasted, hush |
| 13:24.38 | JoshBorke | i'm just gonna crawl in my hole now |
| 13:24.44 | End | well that's neat |
| 13:24.48 | End | it works through putty too |
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| 13:36.20 | Arog | hey |
| 13:37.02 | Cide | morning |
| 13:38.43 | JoshBorke | morning arog |
| 13:38.50 | Arog | do you guys have any links to any good looking UIs that are clean and not too messy |
| 13:41.35 | wereHamster | compilation or single addons? |
| 13:41.54 | Arog | compilation |
| 13:41.57 | Arog | with discord an dsuch |
| 13:42.08 | Arog | these are some of my favs so far |
| 13:42.10 | Arog | http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/7185/sbui46nr.jpg |
| 13:42.14 | Arog | http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9409/shillienui37uf.jpg |
| 13:42.42 | Arog | for the second one - what are those 2 bars at the top That has the person's name nad 100% health |
| 13:42.44 | Arog | nad = and |
| 13:44.30 | JoshBorke | looks like target's target and target's target's target |
| 13:44.37 | JoshBorke | probably done in DUF |
| 13:45.41 | Arog | heh alright |
| 13:45.42 | Arog | cool |
| 13:45.52 | Arog | how do you change the font too |
| 13:46.03 | Arog | like in guildchat and stuff |
| 13:46.05 | Arog | looks different :S |
| 13:46.12 | Beladona | I am working on one, but it isn't a compilation, and it won't be done for a while |
| 13:46.18 | Beladona | =( |
| 13:46.22 | Arog | I have time |
| 13:46.27 | Arog | I am not even playing right now |
| 13:46.33 | Arog | going to start playing from August |
| 13:47.02 | Beladona | I am starting with basically a total ui recreation, and then creating a theming engine based on it |
| 13:47.11 | Arog | ah |
| 13:47.15 | Beladona | complete with widget-like modules |
| 13:47.20 | Arog | cool |
| 13:47.21 | Beladona | for adding more stuff |
| 13:47.31 | Arog | cool cool |
| 13:47.37 | Arog | too advanced for me :( |
| 13:47.49 | Arog | in the second ui is she using CT RA there? |
| 13:48.09 | Cide | yes |
| 13:48.16 | Beladona | early concept -- I have changed the bars a little since this http://0ctavius.com/images/StatusBars.jpg |
| 13:48.30 | Arog | cool |
| 13:48.32 | Arog | looks nice |
| 13:48.43 | JoshBorke | ( Arog ): i like clearfont, it just works |
| 13:48.48 | JoshBorke | there's also fontabulous |
| 13:48.57 | Arog | alright sec |
| 13:49.17 | Arog | on the bottom that huge ba |
| 13:49.18 | Arog | bar |
| 13:49.20 | Arog | was that using DART? |
| 13:49.59 | JoshBorke | ( Beladona ): quite pretty |
| 13:50.11 | JoshBorke | ( Arog ): taking a really long time for the first one to load |
| 13:50.20 | Arog | josh I know |
| 13:50.25 | Arog | but its there on the second one too |
| 13:50.30 | Arog | that huge background |
| 13:50.48 | Arog | bar thing |
| 13:51.23 | JoshBorke | probably done in dart |
| 13:51.53 | Arog | yikes |
| 13:51.57 | Arog | so I will have to make those textures then? |
| 13:51.59 | Arog | or something lik ethat? |
| 13:52.41 | Cide | imagelink.org loads fast! |
| 13:52.48 | Beladona | trying to find you a screen of a newer statusbar but can't get in game of course =( |
| 13:53.21 | Cide | they should totally give us an offline sandbox for development! |
| 13:53.22 | JoshBorke | ( Cide ): what does the T in CTMod stand for? |
| 13:53.37 | Cide | Ts |
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| 13:55.09 | Arog | lol |
| 13:55.22 | Arog | oh |
| 13:55.24 | Arog | you made CT |
| 13:55.27 | JoshBorke | is he still helping with CTMod/CTRA? |
| 13:55.32 | Cide | Arog: yes |
| 13:55.37 | Beladona | a wow rendering engine would be kick ass |
| 13:55.54 | Cide | JoshBorke: we're still a team, yes |
| 13:56.28 | Arog | heh cool |
| 13:56.33 | Beladona | could make it debug level, allowing you to simulate events, but not include anything other than the interface |
| 13:57.06 | Arog | what addon shows your effects like the second pic |
| 13:57.08 | Arog | the blue things to th eside |
| 13:57.21 | Cide | CT_BuffMod |
| 13:57.32 | Cide | that screenshot likely shows Gypsy's version though |
| 13:57.44 | Cide | since it has a background (which CT_BuffMod does not) |
| 13:57.47 | Arog | oh |
| 13:57.47 | JoshBorke | class time, bye :-) |
| 13:57.50 | Arog | cya |
| 13:57.58 | Beladona | updated screen cap =) http://0ctavius.com/images/StatusBars2.jpg |
| 13:58.08 | Cide | sadly, the author of Gypsy ripped off the code :( |
| 13:58.23 | Cide | Beladona: that's pretty clean looking |
| 13:58.31 | Beladona | thats what I am going for |
| 13:58.37 | Beladona | small clean ui |
| 13:58.40 | End | yes, it looks nice |
| 14:00.01 | wereHamster | I liked the first version more.. |
| 14:00.04 | Arog | me too |
| 14:00.07 | Arog | prettier lol |
| 14:00.22 | zenzelezz | I prefer the newer one |
| 14:00.30 | Arog | give the option to choose |
| 14:00.36 | Beladona | I did the second one because it is more sharp and professional |
| 14:00.38 | Industrial | Beladona: omg that screenshot looks amazing |
| 14:00.43 | Beladona | the first one used existing artwork |
| 14:00.45 | Tain | I support a player's right to choose! |
| 14:00.50 | Beladona | second one is my artwork |
| 14:01.03 | Beladona | but when I am done, you can have either (themes) |
| 14:01.21 | Industrial | wewt |
| 14:01.22 | Industrial | :D |
| 14:01.27 | End | I liked the first one a little bit more, but I think they both look very nice |
| 14:02.00 | Industrial | I very much like the second one |
| 14:02.18 | Arog | they are both nice lol |
| 14:02.26 | Arog | wonder if you can remove the background |
| 14:02.39 | Tain | I just like the more muted color of the first. The second does look great, but too neon-ish for my tastes. |
| 14:03.10 | Tain | Although that does bring to mind the possibility of a complete Las Vegas style neon-light UI. |
| 14:03.54 | Arog | lol |
| 14:04.05 | Cide | patch is up if you connect to wow, btw |
| 14:04.19 | Tain | Yeah but I'm stuck at 83% |
| 14:04.25 | Wobin | hm, the US will be back up in how many hours? |
| 14:04.30 | Cide | Tain: sam |
| 14:04.31 | End | hrmph, I'm not exactly in the position to connect to WoW right now :P |
| 14:04.31 | Cide | same |
| 14:05.25 | Arog | do any of you play a priest? |
| 14:05.30 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:05.35 | Cide | I do |
| 14:05.46 | End | uh...I have a level ....16? priest I think? :P |
| 14:05.54 | Arog | lol |
| 14:06.01 | Arog | Wobin, Cide do you raid with it? |
| 14:06.06 | Cide | yes... |
| 14:06.07 | Wobin | Aye |
| 14:06.11 | Arog | can yo ushow me your UI please |
| 14:06.13 | Cide | http://ctprofiles.net/1 ;) |
| 14:06.18 | Tain | Yay patch is moviong again. |
| 14:06.18 | Wobin | Not at the moment =) |
| 14:06.24 | Arog | ah alright |
| 14:06.28 | Cide | sec arog |
| 14:06.31 | Cide | I might have a screenshot |
| 14:06.38 | Arog | wow nice gear |
| 14:06.43 | Wobin | But basically, I use Squishy, HealersAssist and oRA for mods |
| 14:06.52 | Arog | didnt change your bars? |
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| 14:06.57 | Beladona | I am still toying with the idea of having the background toggleable as being always on, or on hover |
| 14:07.10 | Cide | best healing wand in the game, actually |
| 14:07.11 | Arog | Beladona or off all together |
| 14:07.15 | Cide | www.ctmod.net/blighted/ui.jpg |
| 14:07.16 | End | I believe it |
| 14:07.16 | Beladona | right |
| 14:07.25 | Wobin | hehe '1' =) |
| 14:07.39 | Arog | oh |
| 14:07.40 | Cide | that is rather old |
| 14:07.47 | Cide | but it's pretty similar |
| 14:07.49 | End | I saw a -crazily- geared mage once...same deal, green wand |
| 14:07.50 | Wobin | wow |
| 14:07.55 | Wobin | nice on that +heal |
| 14:08.38 | Cide | heh, thanks |
| 14:08.41 | Wobin | sob |
| 14:08.44 | Wobin | 875 |
| 14:08.46 | Arog | full tier 2 lol |
| 14:08.49 | Wobin | I'll never get that =P |
| 14:08.53 | Cide | I reached 900 earlier |
| 14:08.57 | Wobin | I'm only half that =P |
| 14:09.03 | Cide | but then I swapped in trans boots for 8/8 |
| 14:09.05 | Wobin | (but then again, I don't even have full tier 0.5 |
| 14:09.07 | Wobin | ) |
| 14:09.29 | Wobin | or any other epics, for that matter |
| 14:09.44 | Arog | lol wobin |
| 14:09.50 | Arog | that was my rogue |
| 14:09.54 | Arog | I went to so many raids |
| 14:09.56 | Arog | 0 epics |
| 14:10.01 | Arog | damn stupid guild |
| 14:10.07 | Cide | Tain: you got past the dreaded 83%? |
| 14:10.12 | Kaso | Cide whats the [#] a link to the timestamp or something? |
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| 14:10.25 | Cide | /dtchatevent |
| 14:10.30 | Tain | Yes Cide, at 85% now |
| 14:10.38 | Wobin | it shows where the source of the chat comes from |
| 14:10.42 | Wobin | debugging purposes |
| 14:10.46 | Kaso | hmm interesting |
| 14:10.49 | End | devtools? |
| 14:10.52 | Wobin | verra useful |
| 14:10.53 | Cide | yes |
| 14:10.53 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:10.59 | Arog | cide, is there enough viewing space if you are playing in the 'blackbox' mode? |
| 14:11.00 | Cide | I'm guessing it was preloaded to 83% or something |
| 14:11.03 | Kaso | I'll have to look into that. |
| 14:11.12 | Cide | Arog: see for yourself :) but yes, I think so |
| 14:11.24 | Cide | I find it too hard to read chat (especially in raids) without having a black background |
| 14:11.32 | Arog | oh |
| 14:11.39 | Arog | ya |
| 14:11.44 | Wobin | Fer shame Cide! Your cooking is only at 8 =) |
| 14:11.51 | Arog | haha |
| 14:11.54 | Cide | hey, at least I was being honest ;) |
| 14:11.54 | Wobin | Get back in the kitchen =) |
| 14:12.04 | End | creating small fires, hmm? |
| 14:12.11 | End | or does that even give a skill up |
| 14:12.19 | zenzelezz | no |
| 14:12.37 | Arog | Lightwell? |
| 14:12.39 | End | can't say I'm surprised |
| 14:12.45 | End | yeah |
| 14:12.47 | Wobin | Cide: *agrees with the black background thing* |
| 14:13.04 | Wobin | I dislike having to squint to read |
| 14:13.24 | zespri | the patch is up on US |
| 14:13.41 | Tain | I also black-bar it, but my chat windows are always dark to begin with, none of that fade-in out |
| 14:13.44 | Cide | yes, I have lightwell :P |
| 14:13.53 | Wobin | Do you find it useful? |
| 14:14.00 | Cide | more so than people think |
| 14:14.09 | Cide | but it's not worthy of a 31pt talent really |
| 14:14.19 | Cide | it should be improved some, but still not bad |
| 14:14.20 | Wobin | I'd agree with that |
| 14:14.24 | Arog | I dont like the fact that it stops healing when yo uget hit |
| 14:14.35 | End | that was the assessment of my guildies: nice, but does it need to be 31 points? |
| 14:14.35 | Cide | off the top of my head, it's useful for... |
| 14:14.53 | Arog | ... |
| 14:15.07 | Wobin | =) |
| 14:15.10 | Tain | You know what though, if you go across the level 31 talents for all classes very few of them seem worth it for a 31 pointer. |
| 14:15.20 | Cide | (BWL) razorgore, firemaw, flamegor, chromaggus, nefarian (eh, not really) (AQ40) royals, sartura, huhuran, twin emps |
| 14:15.27 | Kirkburn | The Summer Fires event will be active :) |
| 14:15.38 | Wobin | AdrenRush is a nice 31pointer |
| 14:15.42 | Arog | ya |
| 14:15.44 | zenzelezz | what does a lightwell actually do? |
| 14:15.54 | Arog | make a mooonwell, person clicks on it and is healed over time |
| 14:15.57 | Arog | if the person gets hit |
| 14:15.58 | Arog | heal stops |
| 14:16.11 | Kaso | its a 31 point bandage with 5 charges and 10min CD :< |
| 14:16.12 | Tain | There are nice 31 point talents. *Most* of them aren't. |
| 14:16.13 | Kirkburn | http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general-en/1072492.htm |
| 14:16.17 | Kaso | the cooldown is far too long |
| 14:16.22 | Wobin | I'd like for the well to last longer too |
| 14:16.23 | Kirkburn | It's even got maypoles :P |
| 14:16.32 | Cide | swiftmend is godly |
| 14:16.37 | Sidely | If it was a three minute cooldown it'd be a much better talent. |
| 14:16.47 | Cide | so druids had a godly talent.. and got it as base, only to get a new godly talent |
| 14:16.49 | Wobin | Oh yes. I like Swiftmend |
| 14:17.23 | Arog | what is CD on swiftmend |
| 14:17.29 | Cide | 15s |
| 14:17.31 | Arog | :O |
| 14:17.37 | Arog | how much does it heal for? |
| 14:17.45 | Sidely | The full value of the HOT, I think |
| 14:17.46 | End | hot portion |
| 14:17.57 | Arog | so what is remaining on HOT? |
| 14:18.01 | End | no |
| 14:18.02 | End | full |
| 14:18.02 | Arog | oh |
| 14:18.05 | Cide | roughly 1k with a decent amount of +healing |
| 14:18.08 | Arog | wow |
| 14:18.11 | Arog | that is like 2x Hot |
| 14:18.16 | End | it's very good with main tank healing |
| 14:18.16 | Arog | but instant |
| 14:18.22 | Wobin | Can you cast it on someone elses HOT? |
| 14:18.28 | Cide | no clue |
| 14:18.30 | End | -that- I didn't test |
| 14:18.33 | End | I hope so |
| 14:18.38 | Kaso | the wording makes me think so |
| 14:18.38 | End | atm, I don't have highest rank of rejuv |
| 14:18.45 | End | so |
| 14:18.45 | Kaso | "Consumes a Rejuvenation or Regrowth effect" |
| 14:18.46 | Wobin | scary |
| 14:18.58 | Wobin | wow |
| 14:18.58 | Sidely | I dunno, can you cast conflag on other warlocks' immolates? |
| 14:19.12 | End | good question |
| 14:19.13 | Sidely | They'd probably use the same mechanic. |
| 14:19.32 | Arog | you should make a mod that shows everyone in th eraid who has rejuvenation/regrowth |
| 14:19.37 | Arog | then people cna just cast swiftmend lol |
| 14:19.40 | Tain | My patch download finished, by the way. So it is fully out there. |
| 14:19.58 | End | Arog, I was thinking of doing that |
| 14:20.08 | End | then it'd be very good for raid healing too |
| 14:20.13 | Arog | ya |
| 14:20.18 | End | (obviously with timers) |
| 14:20.21 | Arog | or at least show who you casted rejuv/regrowth on |
| 14:20.35 | End | (to get more benefit...) |
| 14:20.37 | End | although |
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| 14:21.32 | End | I suppose I could make a macro that does /cast Swiftmend /cast Rejuv |
| 14:21.59 | End | hmm |
| 14:22.08 | Arog | can your macros have timers |
| 14:22.08 | End | I'll have to think that through more though |
| 14:22.21 | Arog | eg - /cast rejuv...wait /cast swiftmend |
| 14:22.26 | Kaso | Apparntly Swiftmend is on global cooldown |
| 14:22.27 | End | no |
| 14:22.33 | End | I can't use timers |
| 14:22.36 | End | like that |
| 14:22.40 | Arog | lol too bad |
| 14:22.45 | End | I could make it pop up a button |
| 14:22.53 | End | or something like that |
| 14:23.04 | Arog | the button could have a countdown |
| 14:23.13 | Arog | iunno |
| 14:23.33 | End | Kaso: yeah, I suspect so |
| 14:23.46 | Arog | can DART change minimaps to a square? |
| 14:23.51 | Kaso | according to : http://www.thottbot.com/test?sp=18562 |
| 14:24.12 | zenzelezz | are the final patch notes up yet? |
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| 14:24.22 | End | haha |
| 14:24.23 | Arog | check on the patch |
| 14:24.33 | zenzelezz | I'm on EU, I'll have to wait |
| 14:24.42 | Kaso | Also: My warlock friend says you can't Conflag someone elses immolate. |
| 14:24.44 | End | the spellid for innervate became swiftmend's spellid |
| 14:24.52 | End | and they made a new spell id for innervate |
| 14:25.05 | End | so you are seeing all these comments about innervate on swiftmend's page |
| 14:25.10 | Arog | ya |
| 14:25.11 | Arog | ll |
| 14:25.26 | End | I'll probably forget to train innervate though |
| 14:25.35 | Arog | lol |
| 14:25.49 | Legorol^ | End: what's a spellid? |
| 14:25.55 | Arog | do druids have easier chance of geting into raiding guilds than priests? |
| 14:25.56 | Legorol^ | do you mean the in-game one, in the spellbook? |
| 14:26.02 | Legorol^ | or something else |
| 14:26.03 | End | the internal one |
| 14:26.06 | Legorol^ | right |
| 14:26.08 | End | the one thottbot uses |
| 14:26.18 | Legorol^ | ehm.. how does thottbot know them? |
| 14:26.18 | End | because they just pull the spell list from the data files |
| 14:26.25 | Legorol^ | i nkow other sites know them because they data mine |
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| 14:26.37 | Legorol^ | hm, i thought TB strictly pulls them from client |
| 14:26.39 | Legorol^ | oh well |
| 14:26.47 | Legorol^ | btw, is the US patch available yet? |
| 14:26.55 | Arog | zenz |
| 14:27.01 | Arog | i think final patchnotes are http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html |
| 14:27.06 | Arog | dont think a lot of stuff changed from there |
| 14:27.12 | End | thottbot has mob spells too, and those you can't really pull from ui |
| 14:27.19 | Legorol^ | good point |
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| 14:28.18 | zenzelezz | Arog: probably not many changes, but that's still why I asked about final :) |
| 14:28.21 | Kirkburn | I wants finally final final notez so I can be all cool and stick em on the wiki |
| 14:28.31 | Tain | Yes Legorol the US patch is available, I just finished patching fully. |
| 14:28.37 | Legorol^ | thanks Tain |
| 14:28.41 | End | plus, the spell ids match wowguru, and I'm pretty sure wowguru datamines them |
| 14:30.44 | Arog | can DART make minimaps a square? |
| 14:31.06 | End | maube |
| 14:31.08 | End | maybe |
| 14:31.11 | End | :P |
| 14:31.12 | Tain | Unless they added specific minimap support, no. |
| 14:31.19 | Arog | oh |
| 14:31.29 | Arog | what mod makes a squar eminimap then |
| 14:31.34 | Tain | There's a bunch out there. |
| 14:31.41 | Arog | alright |
| 14:31.47 | Arog | but some of them i Found |
| 14:31.50 | Arog | on ui.worldofwar |
| 14:31.54 | Arog | have not been updated |
| 14:31.56 | Arog | will it still work |
| 14:32.06 | End | depends on how they work |
| 14:32.18 | End | (I guess) |
| 14:32.23 | Arog | heh |
| 14:32.41 | End | <-- too vague? |
| 14:32.45 | Tain | Many addons work fine across patches, which is why they don't get updated. Sometimes if they just work no one updates anything since there's nothing specific to change. |
| 14:32.47 | zenzelezz | only way to be sure is to try |
| 14:33.51 | Arog | alright |
| 14:33.53 | Arog | coolio |
| 14:36.23 | Kirkburn | Patch notezzzz! http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_1.11_%28Release_Notes%29 |
| 14:36.29 | End | :O |
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| 14:36.58 | End | ew |
| 14:37.03 | End | I see <p> |
| 14:37.08 | End | and </ul> |
| 14:37.11 | End | Fix yer tags |
| 14:38.08 | Kirkburn | I am |
| 14:38.09 | Arog | rogues got decent buffs |
| 14:39.05 | Tain | Detect Traps is a nice change, but screws Hunters for PVP. |
| 14:39.43 | Arog | Poisons will now persist through zoning. |
| 14:39.58 | Tain | Yeah, that's for all temp weapon buffs. |
| 14:40.02 | Arog | ya |
| 14:40.13 | Arog | was it in 1.10 they added rogues can see traps/flares? |
| 14:40.22 | Arog | thought that was going in 1.11 |
| 14:40.42 | Tain | Rogues had a Detect Trap skill forever, but you had to activate it. Now it'll be a passive ability, always on. |
| 14:40.56 | Kirkburn | Should be more presentable now |
| 14:40.56 | Arog | the detect traps skill would not detect the trap would it? |
| 14:41.02 | Arog | or flare |
| 14:41.15 | Arog | bah who knows |
| 14:42.45 | Tain | Of course I don't PVP so it doesn't even affect me. |
| 14:43.01 | Arog | I thought AV would be fun |
| 14:43.03 | Arog | but it sucks |
| 14:43.35 | Arog | wsg is fun with twinks |
| 14:47.18 | MoonWolf | i agree |
| 14:47.23 | MoonWolf | but its not fun for the other players |
| 14:47.39 | Tain | Teaches them a lesson! |
| 14:47.40 | MoonWolf | people with certain items and condictions should be placed in a seperate queu |
| 14:48.06 | MoonWolf | if you walk around with fiery enchants or +100hp you get to go to the twink queue |
| 14:48.11 | Tain | I disagree. |
| 14:48.14 | Tain | Anyone can do it. |
| 14:48.22 | Kaso | that'd be too hard to do i think, where do you draw the line between a twink and a well geared person. |
| 14:48.36 | Tain | Just because some do, and some don't doesn't mean you should single them out. |
| 14:49.05 | Kaso | Tain: someone who's just started wow and wants to try out battlegrounds with his level 20 char cant do it. |
| 14:49.06 | MoonWolf | on certain servers its simply impossible for a normal geared class to do ANYthing in a bg. |
| 14:49.09 | Tain | If it's really that big an issue then make things more level restrictive and don't allow the level 19 guy to have high level enchants. |
| 14:49.45 | Tain | Kaso: Yes he can. Can he do it solo, playing by himself, never doing anything more? No. But his character is allowed to do it. |
| 14:49.58 | Tain | And as long as it's allowed by the game artificial limitations on players is not a good idea. |
| 14:50.40 | Arog | lol |
| 14:50.44 | Arog | do you guys listen to WCRadio |
| 14:50.50 | MoonWolf | i do |
| 14:51.00 | Arog | I am listenning to it for the firs ttime |
| 14:51.05 | Arog | EPIC pretty funny |
| 14:51.17 | Arog | ya I am in there too |
| 14:51.58 | End | I think the issue with twinks is pretty similar to green/blue 60 vs. epic 60 you see in the level 60 battlegrounds anyways |
| 14:52.36 | MoonWolf | yes |
| 14:52.40 | Arog | tbh, I think anyone cna get epics |
| 14:52.44 | Arog | raiding is not that hard |
| 14:53.09 | End | anyone can twink an alt too |
| 14:53.10 | MoonWolf | but you should be able to have fun in bg's from time to time without needing to invest the raiding time. |
| 14:53.10 | Tain | It is different only in the fact that it's a lot easier for a level 19 to be supplied money and enchants and equipment by a higher level than it is for someone to get that stuff without a higher level. |
| 14:53.35 | End | yes, that's true |
| 14:53.52 | Arog | anyone can get epics and raid, raids only take 2-3 hours |
| 14:53.55 | Arog | (MC/BWL) |
| 14:54.03 | Arog | and 2 hours is not a lot |
| 14:54.11 | End | heh. |
| 14:54.11 | MoonWolf | ah yes, but it also takes being in such a guild |
| 14:54.11 | Arog | join a guild that does MC over 2 nights or whatever |
| 14:54.14 | Tain | Well, once you have been doing MC as a guild for months it takes 2 hours. |
| 14:54.24 | End | are you sure you'll get any epics in one run? |
| 14:54.43 | Arog | End, you should get 1 epic every 2 weeks |
| 14:54.44 | MoonWolf | and we are talking about doing this for a few months arog. |
| 14:54.50 | Arog | with BWL too |
| 14:54.52 | Arog | AQ20 |
| 14:54.54 | Arog | ZG |
| 14:55.01 | Arog | ZG/AQ20 can be done 2 times a week |
| 14:55.12 | End | that's a lot more time than you first implied |
| 14:55.12 | MoonWolf | you need to build up your DKP in certain guilds, some guilds have huge trail periods |
| 14:55.22 | Arog | End 2 hours a day thats not a lot imo |
| 14:55.22 | MoonWolf | its not as easy as investing 2 hours per week. |
| 14:55.26 | Tain | It's not 2 hours a day. |
| 14:55.33 | End | it's more than 2 hours a day |
| 14:55.34 | Tain | It's many hours of learning those instances first. |
| 14:55.53 | End | -if- your guild is farming BWL/MC, you come close |
| 14:55.53 | Legorol^ | - Low level boars/wolves drop boar meat and wolf meat much more |
| 14:55.53 | Legorol^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.54 | Tain | So two months down the road when your guild is already equipped with MC gear sure you can run MC in 2 hours. |
| 14:55.57 | Legorol^ | yay! |
| 14:56.12 | End | but then your guild is probably working on AQ40 now, and that takes lots of time |
| 14:56.14 | Tain | Oh sure after I got my cooking to 300! |
| 14:56.25 | Arog | End I am saying join a casual raiding guild. My friend is part of it, they only raid on Saturday, Friday, Wednesday |
| 14:56.26 | MoonWolf | how about mobs start dropping high level meats |
| 14:56.31 | Arog | and Thursday |
| 14:56.34 | Legorol^ | it only takes you through the first 30 levels or so, Tain |
| 14:56.34 | Arog | wed/thurs - MC |
| 14:56.38 | MoonWolf | try getting your pet happy at 60 with dropped meat. |
| 14:56.40 | Arog | Fri/Sat - ZG |
| 14:56.43 | Tain | hehe casual raiding is 4 days a week? |
| 14:56.55 | Arog | they are not doing BWL yet |
| 14:57.02 | Arog | and they only spend maybe 2 hours a day |
| 14:57.08 | Legorol^ | i like this cooking change, it was a pain to get started on Cooking if you decided to take it up later on |
| 14:57.13 | End | Arog is pretty easy by raiding standards :P |
| 14:57.15 | End | er |
| 14:57.17 | Arog | what |
| 14:57.19 | End | s/Arog/MC/ |
| 14:57.26 | Tain | Yeah Legorol is is, the only way (to me) was hit the Auction House and hope. |
| 14:57.32 | End | MC is pretty easy by raiding standards :P |
| 14:57.35 | Legorol^ | I would like to ask a philosophical question: |
| 14:57.36 | Arog | ya |
| 14:57.43 | Legorol^ | the words "casual" and "hardcore" |
| 14:57.48 | Legorol^ | what would you say is their best definition? |
| 14:57.55 | Legorol^ | as used by the majority of players.. |
| 14:58.06 | Arog | I consider myself to be casual, I would play WoW after coming back from work |
| 14:58.12 | Arog | maybe 6-10 |
| 14:58.16 | MoonWolf | there is no casual and no hardcore. stop this discussion. |
| 14:58.21 | Arog | lol |
| 14:58.26 | Arog | MoonWolf I agree |
| 14:58.29 | Arog | listenning to Epic right now |
| 14:58.32 | Legorol^ | ok, so do you beleive that these two words are used by most players to refer to the amount of time you play? |
| 14:58.44 | End | in any case |
| 14:59.01 | Tain | I personally view hardcore (as much as I despise the word) as a guild whose intention is to drive towards conquoring the highest end content quickly. |
| 14:59.13 | MoonWolf | there are players who are willing to invest time into stuff (through honour, instances, world drops, etc) |
| 14:59.16 | MoonWolf | and people who are not. |
| 14:59.16 | End | I haven't gotten any gear from MC or BWL in two months, because I need nothing from MC, the only thing in BWL that has dropped that I can even used I got outbidded on |
| 14:59.23 | End | Stormrage won't fucking drop :( |
| 14:59.34 | End | but we have plenty of warlock mage and shaman gear! |
| 14:59.36 | Arog | End, tried changing raid leaders? |
| 14:59.41 | Tain | Do you still go to MC, End even though there's nothing good for you? |
| 14:59.41 | Arog | we had that problem |
| 14:59.44 | MoonWolf | the only hardcore i know are the people who get rank 14, absolutly have to get C'thun down first. |
| 14:59.45 | MoonWolf | etc. |
| 14:59.46 | Arog | Tain, yes |
| 14:59.56 | Arog | you go hoping you get ingots to make legendary stuff |
| 15:00.11 | Arog | and we often take level 60s with green with us for fun |
| 15:00.17 | End | Tain, I do. I get dkp, and other people need gear from there still. |
| 15:00.25 | Tain | No, I mean individuals specifically. There are people who won't go once there isn't anything they need. |
| 15:00.26 | Kaso | "(Arog) End, tried changing raid leaders?" are you serious? |
| 15:00.35 | Arog | Kaso, it worked for us |
| 15:00.39 | Tain | Of course we call those people, "Former guildmates." |
| 15:00.43 | Arog | we were getting a lot of pally, warrior and rogue shit |
| 15:00.47 | MoonWolf | Those people are egotistical bastards |
| 15:00.48 | Arog | so we tried changing leaders |
| 15:00.54 | MoonWolf | people helped you, now you help others. |
| 15:00.54 | End | Arog, Incidently, we did try that originally, but it didn't do jack for us |
| 15:00.57 | Arog | and we ended up getting mage, priest etc |
| 15:01.08 | Kaso | Im afraid its just randomness. nothing more. |
| 15:01.11 | Arog | ya maybe |
| 15:01.12 | End | (not that we expected it to work) |
| 15:01.20 | End | (but we figured it was worth a shot) |
| 15:01.24 | Tain | Oh yeah there was that silly theory out there that the drops were somehow keyed to who the raidleader was. |
| 15:01.26 | MoonWolf | there is no secret system. |
| 15:01.36 | MoonWolf | if there was a secret system, it would make more sense. |
| 15:01.51 | Arog | I believe that all items that will drop are set the moment you key yourself to the instance |
| 15:02.05 | Tain | I don't. |
| 15:02.11 | Tain | But that's the great thing about unverifyable beliefs! |
| 15:02.14 | Arog | heh |
| 15:02.20 | Arog | BLizzard can say anything they want |
| 15:02.21 | MoonWolf | We know that items that drop are detirmed at the moment you open the corpse. |
| 15:02.29 | Arog | MoonWolf we do? |
| 15:02.31 | MoonWolf | well not factually |
| 15:02.34 | MoonWolf | but very good idea |
| 15:02.35 | End | how do we know that? |
| 15:02.35 | Legorol^ | from GM comments |
| 15:02.39 | End | afaik we know, we don't know anything |
| 15:02.44 | MoonWolf | it explains why you can have empty corpses with sparks. |
| 15:02.46 | End | s/we know/ |
| 15:02.47 | End | er |
| 15:02.48 | Legorol^ | because GMs often stated they can't reimburse items if the corpse hasn't been looted yet |
| 15:02.50 | Tain | In EQ drops were determined on something when it spawned. At least that was something you knew! |
| 15:02.52 | Kaso | well a while back this GM was on SomethingAwful forums and he said through the GM console he could see the drops on any mob living or not. |
| 15:02.54 | End | (stupid missing slash) |
| 15:03.04 | Arog | tbh, GMs do not know anything |
| 15:03.13 | Arog | they are just moderators not the devs |
| 15:03.23 | MoonWolf | look, i have seen gm's say that anything with the word hack in it is bad. |
| 15:03.27 | Tain | I ah.. don't know what I'd cite the Something Awful forums as a legitimate research point. |
| 15:03.29 | MoonWolf | so even if he is a gm |
| 15:03.31 | Legorol^ | MoonWolf: good point |
| 15:03.33 | MoonWolf | lots of salt. |
| 15:03.40 | zenzelezz | Kaso: sure he meant drops when killed, not the drop table? |
| 15:03.49 | End | a huge bucket of salt? |
| 15:03.50 | Legorol^ | ok, here is a good way to test: |
| 15:03.52 | Legorol^ | quest item drops |
| 15:04.03 | End | I talk all things GMs say with a huge bucket of salt |
| 15:04.04 | Legorol^ | let's say you are in a party and you both collecting the same quest item |
| 15:04.06 | End | s/talk/take/ |
| 15:04.24 | Kaso | i'll find a quote but as i remeber it was that he could see drops that would drop when mob x is next killed, but as others have said, we cant really prove he was even a GM |
| 15:04.24 | Arog | lol |
| 15:04.32 | Legorol^ | actually, i just thought of a much simpler test |
| 15:04.46 | Legorol^ | go out on a quest which needs a quest item |
| 15:04.52 | Legorol^ | kill a bunch of mobs, and have them sparkle |
| 15:05.01 | Legorol^ | you start looting, and you complete the quest |
| 15:05.09 | Legorol^ | the next mob, when you loot it, should not have the quest item on it |
| 15:05.13 | Tain | You'lls till get more quest items. |
| 15:05.24 | Arog | you sure? |
| 15:05.26 | Legorol^ | not those that are not tradeable |
| 15:05.30 | Arog | I have gotten more sometimes |
| 15:05.32 | Legorol^ | Tain: i have never seen it happen, have you? |
| 15:05.34 | Tain | I've had quests that I have gotten more. |
| 15:05.37 | Legorol^ | ah |
| 15:05.42 | Legorol^ | was that in a party or solo? |
| 15:05.43 | Arog | like 15/14 |
| 15:05.45 | Arog | solo |
| 15:05.50 | End | even if it wasn't "on the corpse", it could just conditionally hide it |
| 15:05.52 | MoonWolf | actually, i think this behaviour is incosistent. |
| 15:05.53 | Tain | Absolutely 100% sure it's happened to me. Can't say it was all quests in all circumstances, but more than once. |
| 15:05.54 | Tain | Solo. |
| 15:06.01 | Legorol^ | and was this on quest items that can drop multiples? |
| 15:06.05 | Arog | yup |
| 15:06.06 | Legorol^ | because that's a different issue altogether |
| 15:06.14 | Arog | hmm I guess |
| 15:06.15 | Legorol^ | if you have only 13/14 and you go loot, |
| 15:06.17 | Legorol^ | it can drop 2 |
| 15:06.27 | Legorol^ | i am talking about a situation where you complete the quest *before* you loot the next corpse |
| 15:06.32 | Legorol^ | have you ever seen a quest item in that case? |
| 15:06.40 | End | the corpse might still "have" it though |
| 15:06.43 | Arog | Never tested it |
| 15:06.43 | End | even if you can't see it |
| 15:06.48 | MoonWolf | Most likely the corpse would not be lootable by then. |
| 15:06.51 | MoonWolf | because of travel time. |
| 15:06.55 | Tain | Never gone to the quest giver and completed the quest and gone back to loot. |
| 15:07.06 | Arog | I think he means |
| 15:07.07 | Legorol^ | Tain, not even that |
| 15:07.08 | End | if you are grouped, and you finish the quest, but your party member has not, you won't see the items |
| 15:07.15 | Legorol^ | just simply having the required amount in the bad |
| 15:07.18 | Legorol^ | s/bad/bag/ |
| 15:07.20 | End | (by items I mean quest items) |
| 15:07.24 | Kirkburn | I suppose, having spent an hour sorting the patch notes, I should READ them =) |
| 15:07.44 | Tain | If it's collect 10 of something, I have killed 3 things, looted the quest item from one corpse to finish my quest at 10/10, then looted teh next corpses and gotten more. |
| 15:07.46 | MoonWolf | even if its vague on wich part, death or opening, i am fairly sure that it doesnt happen on spawning |
| 15:07.48 | End | oh |
| 15:07.53 | MoonWolf | the amount of memory it uses would be wastefull. |
| 15:07.56 | End | hmm |
| 15:08.12 | Legorol^ | ok, a related question: |
| 15:08.15 | Arog | isnt buyback stored on your own computer? |
| 15:08.18 | Legorol^ | about loot eligibility |
| 15:08.27 | MoonWolf | Arog, i think its stored per session. |
| 15:08.31 | Legorol^ | i heard that if someone is dead and released, they are not eligible for loot |
| 15:08.36 | Legorol^ | under what circumstances is this true? |
| 15:08.40 | Arog | MoonWolf so its stored on the server? that seems a bit too much |
| 15:08.42 | Legorol^ | a) does it depend on the loot method in use |
| 15:08.54 | zenzelezz | <Tain> If it's collect 10 of something, I have killed 3 things, looted the quest item from one corpse to finish my quest at 10/10, then looted teh next corpses and gotten more. <--- I've seen this for items that are used in more than one quest, or for more than just the quest... but not for items that are only for one quest |
| 15:08.59 | MoonWolf | There is only 12 buyback items at any one time. |
| 15:09.01 | End | I haven't seen that to be true, but we usually master loot |
| 15:09.03 | Arog | Legorol, I think if a person dies before the thing is called and released before it is killed too, they are inelligable |
| 15:09.05 | Legorol^ | b) does this happen if he is already released on death of the mob, or only if he is already released at loot time |
| 15:09.09 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, agreed |
| 15:09.11 | Tain | If you die and release before the mob is dead I think. Maybe. |
| 15:09.23 | Legorol^ | ok, lots of maybes, i see :) |
| 15:09.27 | Tain | Yeah! |
| 15:09.34 | Arog | MoonWolf but 12*1000 people |
| 15:09.39 | Arog | that is a lot of memory on the server side |
| 15:09.45 | Legorol^ | zenzelezz: exactly my point |
| 15:09.46 | End | I think people who have released on ony fight get loot for us |
| 15:09.47 | End | -but- |
| 15:09.54 | End | I didn't die on onyxia once |
| 15:09.54 | Legorol^ | there is difference between tradeable and non-tradeable quest items |
| 15:09.55 | MoonWolf | not really |
| 15:09.58 | End | was there from start |
| 15:10.00 | MoonWolf | its only an item link |
| 15:10.00 | End | couldn't get loot |
| 15:10.01 | Legorol^ | tradeable ones of course can drop more |
| 15:10.03 | MoonWolf | hell |
| 15:10.16 | Tain | Actually even with my looting example of multiple stuff I can't even say that I know it 100% since I wasn't strictly watching for the circumstance, there may well have been other things like zenzelezz said, items still for another quest. |
| 15:10.20 | MoonWolf | try the avarege kci or auctioneer database |
| 15:10.27 | MoonWolf | it contains about the same amount of information |
| 15:10.29 | Tain | Or possibly looting 2 things from the last corpse that put me over the edge. |
| 15:10.30 | MoonWolf | now for mobs |
| 15:10.31 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Daokrotz (n=ertyt345@c-da9fe455.12-0139-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 15:10.45 | MoonWolf | get that number and increase it with omgwtf. |
| 15:10.47 | Beladona | patch taking forever =( |
| 15:11.03 | Arog | are servers online yet |
| 15:11.06 | Daokrotz | Hello.. Anyone out there who got a nice addon package for Priests? Just started a priest and I'm looking for some nice stuff =) |
| 15:11.13 | Legorol^ | Arog: it's not 11am PDT yet, is it? |
| 15:11.18 | Arog | est heh |
| 15:11.18 | End | it is not |
| 15:11.33 | End | it's 8 am I think pacific? |
| 15:11.40 | Arog | yea |
| 15:11.40 | Legorol^ | yes it is |
| 15:11.57 | Daokrotz | Anyone? |
| 15:12.02 | End | so, a few more hours to go :P |
| 15:12.08 | End | Daokrotz: maybe? |
| 15:12.11 | Arog | Daokrotz try looking at some UIs in the UI/Macro and Priest forum |
| 15:12.14 | Arog | see if you like anything |
| 15:12.20 | Arog | any of the individual addons |
| 15:12.24 | Arog | and then download those |
| 15:12.38 | Beladona | stupid fileplanet was supposed to have the patch when it was available |
| 15:12.42 | Tain | There's really no all-in-one addon package that I think is any good. You have to pick and choose things that you think will help. |
| 15:12.47 | Beladona | looks like they don't yet |
| 15:12.49 | Beladona | what use are they |
| 15:12.58 | End | lame-o use |
| 15:13.01 | Arog | lol |
| 15:13.03 | End | that's what use |
| 15:13.06 | Tain | Fileplanet has a great use! They suck money from customers to line their pockets. :) |
| 15:13.09 | MoonWolf | Fileplanet is usefull for advetising. |
| 15:13.22 | Daokrotz | Arog: Well I downloaded some stuff from another page, but all was messy and much didn't work proper, got an error frame that I couldn't close :/ |
| 15:13.23 | End | wait, -fileplanet-? |
| 15:13.23 | End | ew |
| 15:13.29 | Beladona | they haven't had any good betas for a couple months either |
| 15:13.30 | Legorol^ | taling of death.. did you see this: |
| 15:13.31 | Legorol^ | - Release timers have been be removed from instances. This includes |
| 15:13.31 | Legorol^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.33 | End | fileplanet annoys me |
| 15:13.39 | Arog | Legorol ya |
| 15:13.42 | End | yup |
| 15:13.44 | Arog | its nice |
| 15:13.44 | Beladona | fileplanet has been good in the past |
| 15:13.46 | Tain | Yeah Legorol it's good for raids. |
| 15:13.47 | MoonWolf | we all have seen and rejoiced |
| 15:13.53 | Beladona | but in the last several months I have seen serious decline |
| 15:14.06 | Beladona | might make me stop paying for it |
| 15:14.13 | Arog | ever since they started that new service to buy games |
| 15:14.20 | Arog | forgot the name |
| 15:14.25 | Tain | Fileplanet was just too much money for me to justify the amount I could ever possibly use it. |
| 15:14.47 | Daokrotz | Is there anyone who got a priest and have a nice UI that can help me? pls if so speak in private :) |
| 15:14.49 | Arog | - Many items that can be equipped have had their cooldown category |
| 15:14.49 | Arog | removed and will be controlled exclusively by the item's self |
| 15:14.50 | Arog | cooldown. For example, the Gnomish Mind Control Cap should no longer |
| 15:14.50 | Arog | trigger the cooldown of the Talisman of Arathor. |
| 15:14.56 | MoonWolf | A service that allows you to join the founders group makes no sense |
| 15:15.03 | Arog | Daokrotz --- http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9409/shillienui37uf.jpg |
| 15:15.05 | MoonWolf | you cant become a founder 5 years after something was founded. |
| 15:15.05 | Arog | check that out |
| 15:15.19 | Arog | its not mine |
| 15:15.27 | Arog | so I cannot compile it for you |
| 15:15.51 | End | hrmph. I swear, noggen fogger, dreamless sleep potions, greater dreamless sleep potions, and now Eternal Quintessence don't all need to have the same item graphic :( |
| 15:16.04 | Arog | lol |
| 15:16.07 | End | in the past, I've put myself to sleep instead of a skelly |
| 15:16.09 | Daokrotz | Arog: that's nice =) where can I get it? |
| 15:16.14 | End | I read tooltips much more closely now |
| 15:16.16 | Arog | Daokrotz like I said its a bunch of mods |
| 15:16.20 | Arog | some of the stuff I can see |
| 15:16.32 | Daokrotz | oh kk |
| 15:16.41 | Arog | Discord Action Bars, Discord Unit Frames, Discord Frame Modifier, Discord art, Gypsy BuffBar, CT Raidm |
| 15:16.55 | Arog | nurfed Combat Log |
| 15:16.59 | Legorol^ | this change i'm ambivalent about: |
| 15:17.00 | Legorol^ | - The Repair all button on NPC's that repair will now repair all of the |
| 15:17.00 | Legorol^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.09 | MoonWolf | GREAT |
| 15:17.12 | Legorol^ | on one hand yes this is convenient |
| 15:17.23 | Legorol^ | but on the other hand, it means that if you want to repair only the stuff you have equipped, |
| 15:17.28 | Legorol^ | it now takes ages to click through them |
| 15:17.31 | Legorol^ | example: |
| 15:17.37 | Arog | why would oyu not want to repair stuff in bag |
| 15:17.38 | Legorol^ | you only have green lot in your bags |
| 15:17.42 | Daokrotz | been playing my lvl 60 Rogue without any addon, only CT mod |
| 15:17.44 | Beladona | Moonwolf: it is just a marketing name for a service level, I do think "Founder" is a bad name for it though |
| 15:17.53 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 15:18.10 | AnduinLothar | zomg, they implimented RealRepairAll? |
| 15:18.18 | Legorol^ | this repair change is for the 60s who carry multiple armor sets |
| 15:18.39 | Legorol^ | it's a negative change for anyone who carries looted items they may not want to repair |
| 15:18.40 | AnduinLothar | guess that mod goes buh bye |
| 15:18.42 | MoonWolf | or the level 10+s with more then one bow/weapon |
| 15:18.42 | Arog | Legorol dont you have to repair things before putting it on AH? |
| 15:18.49 | End | yes, you do |
| 15:18.53 | Arog | so might as well repair it |
| 15:18.56 | Beladona | they should have made an option |
| 15:19.04 | Beladona | to repair all, or not |
| 15:19.04 | Legorol^ | i do think they should, yes |
| 15:19.06 | End | if you want to vendor it though, that's the problem |
| 15:19.11 | End | like, quest rewards |
| 15:19.12 | AnduinLothar | just sell before repairing |
| 15:19.14 | Legorol^ | as End says |
| 15:19.16 | Arog | end ya I suppose, just sell before repairing |
| 15:19.25 | Legorol^ | hm, that's true |
| 15:19.27 | End | I don't always sell where I can repair |
| 15:19.34 | Legorol^ | but then auto-repair mods can't be used :) |
| 15:19.38 | Beladona | hell, make a popup window that says "would you like to repair everything, or only equipped items" |
| 15:19.48 | Beladona | and let them choose at each repair |
| 15:19.52 | Legorol^ | nah Beladona, i think that's not a good idea |
| 15:19.54 | Arog | maybe you can make a mod for that |
| 15:19.54 | End | wait |
| 15:19.55 | AnduinLothar | addon :P |
| 15:20.00 | Legorol^ | let it be an option in Interface or something |
| 15:20.01 | End | selling where you can repair doesn't matter |
| 15:20.04 | End | what am I saying |
| 15:20.07 | Arog | End lol |
| 15:20.09 | AnduinLothar | THAT is what addons are for |
| 15:20.10 | End | that particular bit is a non-issue |
| 15:20.28 | Arog | how long did it take you guys to get epic mount |
| 15:20.31 | Arog | if you have epuic mount |
| 15:20.31 | Legorol^ | another reason why i'm not 100% happy about this, only 80%: |
| 15:20.36 | Beladona | an interface option is less usable from an accessibility standpoint than a selection at repair-time |
| 15:20.37 | Legorol^ | i often run around with 0 durability items in my bags |
| 15:20.45 | Legorol^ | which i will repair later, when i know i am not getting hit anymore |
| 15:20.58 | Legorol^ | these i wouldn't want to repair if i know they will still keep losing durability |
| 15:21.09 | AnduinLothar | you're weird |
| 15:21.22 | Arog | lol |
| 15:21.34 | Legorol^ | there is a simple reason: i often res at spirit healer |
| 15:21.40 | Beladona | AnduinLothar, do you know if the repair all option is toggleable? |
| 15:21.43 | Legorol^ | so my looted greens gradually go down to 0 |
| 15:21.50 | Beladona | if so then an addon would be good yeah |
| 15:21.51 | Legorol^ | i'd like to repair up my armor, but not those items |
| 15:21.56 | Arog | can you sell 0 dur items to vendors |
| 15:21.59 | AnduinLothar | ah, i dont. I carry 3 full sets of gear |
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| 15:22.02 | Legorol^ | Arog: yes |
| 15:22.09 | Arog | its cheaper though right? |
| 15:22.09 | Legorol^ | but as i said, it's items i do intend to repair later |
| 15:22.11 | AnduinLothar | i NEVER spirit res |
| 15:22.14 | Legorol^ | Arog: yes |
| 15:22.16 | Arog | alright |
| 15:22.18 | End | yeah, I don't spirit rezz either |
| 15:22.27 | Legorol^ | I do, because often running back to the corpse takes long, |
| 15:22.27 | Arog | too expensive |
| 15:22.31 | Arog | especially with epics |
| 15:22.34 | End | I have all 18 slot bags, and about 2/3 is gear, 1/4 is consumables |
| 15:22.35 | AnduinLothar | spirit res = 20g repair bill |
| 15:22.35 | Legorol^ | and instead i res at healer and spend the 10 minutes crafting |
| 15:22.37 | Beladona | but something tells me there isn't a function that can be modified to either repair all, or repair equipped based on a toggle -- although it would be nice if Blizz thought ahead and did that |
| 15:23.13 | Legorol^ | i think for now (without an addon) the quickest thing is just to select the repair icon, and click through my equipped items |
| 15:23.24 | Beladona | aye |
| 15:23.32 | Legorol^ | i do keep items at 0 durability to reduce cost |
| 15:23.39 | Beladona | more work for those of us that like the old method |
| 15:23.42 | Arog | maybe you can make a mod to repair each item individually in a sort of a loop |
| 15:23.48 | Beladona | less work for people that repair everything |
| 15:23.50 | AnduinLothar | cna just make a mod for the opposite, go modify RealRepairAll |
| 15:23.55 | Legorol^ | Arog: you already can repair items individually |
| 15:24.01 | Legorol^ | AnduinLothar: aye |
| 15:24.07 | Arog | Legorol but you can make a mod that will run through each item |
| 15:24.16 | Legorol^ | i'm not complaining about the change per se, because i think the overall utility of the new method is better |
| 15:24.16 | Arog | that you have equipped |
| 15:24.22 | Legorol^ | i just think they should've made it togglable in some way |
| 15:24.31 | Beladona | agreed |
| 15:24.31 | End | I agree, Legorol^ |
| 15:24.38 | Beladona | suggest it |
| 15:24.48 | Beladona | maybe they will actually listen |
| 15:25.07 | AnduinLothar | zomg THREE repair buttons |
| 15:25.13 | End | lol |
| 15:25.19 | End | that might be the best answer |
| 15:25.20 | Tain | There should be a separate repair button for every slot in your inventory! |
| 15:25.27 | Beladona | considering the reason they changed it in the first place, I would have thought they would have been smart enough to make it a toggle |
| 15:25.32 | Legorol^ | hm, the Target of Target display only comes up for raid/party |
| 15:25.32 | End | ~whaleslap Tain |
| 15:25.33 | purl | ACTION beats Tain upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 15:25.38 | Beladona | not everyone would like that change |
| 15:25.44 | Legorol^ | that's annoying, i'm going to have to mod that so it always shows up if you enable it |
| 15:25.52 | AnduinLothar | yeah leg, there's an optionf or that i think |
| 15:26.01 | End | and I will use such an addon! |
| 15:26.02 | AnduinLothar | and I think someone already made a mod |
| 15:26.12 | End | or continue using ctmod's |
| 15:26.24 | Beladona | make a repair window! have it list items based on a filter |
| 15:26.27 | Legorol^ | cool AnduinLothar |
| 15:26.31 | Beladona | then repair them at a button press |
| 15:26.32 | AnduinLothar | i wonder if i should Archify it |
| 15:26.43 | AnduinLothar | it's tiny |
| 15:26.53 | Beladona | all items, equipped items, armor, weapons, bags only, etc... |
| 15:27.01 | Beladona | hmm, maybe I will make that addon |
| 15:27.14 | Tain | I use KC_AutoRepair, not sure how granular it gets though. |
| 15:27.21 | Tain | I just repair everything, everywhere. |
| 15:27.29 | AnduinLothar | oh noes, repair YOUR RAID's gear too! |
| 15:27.35 | Beladona | haha |
| 15:27.35 | End | lol |
| 15:27.40 | Beladona | a gnome running around with a hammer |
| 15:27.43 | Beladona | "HOLD STILL DAMNIT" |
| 15:27.47 | End | haha |
| 15:27.50 | AnduinLothar | hammer hammer hammer |
| 15:28.02 | AnduinLothar | tink! |
| 15:28.06 | Beladona | that actually would be interesting |
| 15:28.10 | Beladona | instead of bandages |
| 15:28.16 | Tain | Hey Warrior! Stop! |
| 15:28.19 | Tain | Hammer time! |
| 15:28.23 | AnduinLothar | i always said BS should have repair option |
| 15:28.35 | Arog | time for classes |
| 15:28.38 | AnduinLothar | make the damn profession useful |
| 15:28.42 | Beladona | aye |
| 15:29.07 | Legorol^ | whoah: |
| 15:29.08 | Legorol^ | - Using B at the bank will now toggle open/closed all of your bags and |
| 15:29.08 | Legorol^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.20 | Beladona | cool |
| 15:29.24 | Legorol^ | this must be a nasty API change |
| 15:29.27 | Beladona | but only at the bank |
| 15:29.29 | Beladona | =( |
| 15:29.31 | Legorol^ | since B is still bound to the same funciton |
| 15:29.42 | Legorol^ | Beladona: there is already a function you can bind a key to that opens all bags at once |
| 15:29.45 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.48 | Legorol^ | (by default, bound to shift+B) |
| 15:29.52 | Beladona | why? just put a check in the function to see if you are at the bank |
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| 15:33.42 | Legorol^ | interestingly enough, i don't see any sign of this funcitonality in the Blizz UI cod |
| 15:33.51 | Kaso | great, for some reason my error() isnt working i've no idea whats causing it cos, error() isnt working! |
| 15:33.56 | Legorol^ | B is by default bound to ToggleBackpack(), a UI function |
| 15:34.05 | Legorol^ | just looked at it, nothing in it about banks |
| 15:34.48 | Legorol^ | oh god, don't tell me they put this functionality on the C side into ToggleBag(0) |
| 15:35.01 | Legorol^ | that'll make me cry |
| 15:35.26 | AnduinLothar | prolly |
| 15:37.06 | AnduinLothar | oh noes, can't hit stealthed units i cant see, /cry |
| 15:38.25 | AnduinLothar | lol, they say they fixed Blessing of Light, AGAIN |
| 15:40.25 | AnduinLothar | lol, sad: ? Deathdealer's Spaulders were unintentionally given higher stats than they should have had for an item of their level, this has been corrected. |
| 15:40.56 | AnduinLothar | VERY sad: ? The Spirit of Zandalar will no longer persist through death. |
| 15:41.48 | AnduinLothar | NOOOO: ? Holy Mightstone: The spell damage bonus from this item will no longer increase the melee damage done against undead. The attack power bonus will still function as intended. |
| 15:41.59 | AnduinLothar | I just used that yesterday to down baron in like 3 seconds |
| 15:42.31 | AnduinLothar | 90% of my swings were record crits |
| 15:43.15 | AnduinLothar | sweet: ? Primal Hakkari Tokens: These items from Zul'Gurub now identify which classes can use them in their item descriptions. |
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| 15:44.15 | AnduinLothar | yay, BS firey plans had their mats nerfed |
| 15:44.18 | Kirkburn | Out of interest, what doc type should I aim for? XHTML 1.1? XHTML 1.0? |
| 15:44.39 | Kirkburn | I've decided I hate the ClearFont website :P |
| 15:44.47 | End | HTML 2.0 |
| 15:44.48 | End | DUH! |
| 15:44.50 | End | ;p |
| 15:45.00 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 15:45.23 | End | (incidently, the default apache error page has a doctype of HTML 2.0) |
| 15:45.28 | AnduinLothar | ooo: ? New quests available in Zul'Gurub and Light's Hope Chapel for head and leg resistance enchantments. |
| 15:45.50 | End | interesting |
| 15:46.10 | AnduinLothar | ooo: ? A new quest is available at Cenarion Hold for players who wish to turn in Combat, Logistics and Tactical Badges for reputation. |
| 15:46.32 | Kaso | lovely, i've got tonns of those spare |
| 15:46.35 | Kaso | shame in exhalted :< |
| 15:47.08 | End | I've got a ton spare |
| 15:47.13 | End | good thing I've been lazy |
| 15:47.26 | End | and not gotten exalted |
| 15:47.27 | AnduinLothar | lol: ? Unsigned Field Duty Papers now need to be "prepared" by players by right-clicking on them. This action has a 3-minute cooldown. |
| 15:47.39 | End | yeah, to prevent people from getting two in one fight |
| 15:48.11 | AnduinLothar | oo non-consumable version of Aqual Quintessence |
| 15:48.30 | Kaso | ^_- what the fuck, my addon has a bug, and that bug somehow makes error() stop working! this is terribly confusing. |
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| 15:49.08 | End | hmm |
| 15:49.27 | End | I might have to get some of the revamped ZG gear |
| 15:49.35 | End | it's better than cenarion :( |
| 15:49.39 | End | stupid cenarion |
| 15:50.17 | AnduinLothar | aww, they nerfed rajaxx |
| 15:50.21 | End | (ZG bracers didn't have any +healing, now they have more than cenarion!) |
| 15:50.29 | End | yeah |
| 15:50.34 | End | they did |
| 15:52.46 | Beladona | why would you want to use HTML 2.0? |
| 15:52.59 | End | you probably wouldn't |
| 15:53.19 | MoonWolf | what is wrong with xhtml or 4 ? |
| 15:53.21 | zenzelezz | 4.01! |
| 15:53.34 | Beladona | do xhtml 1.1 |
| 15:53.43 | End | (clearly, I need to make it more clear I'm trying to be funny) |
| 15:53.45 | Beladona | at least that is what I usually use |
| 15:53.46 | AnduinLothar | yay: ? Additional action bars now have range indicators on them. If a button in one of a players additional action bars has a range component, it will display a red dot when a target is out of range |
| 15:54.29 | Tentacled | AnduinLothar: for those poor chaps without additional bars? :> |
| 15:54.49 | Shadowed | hmm, i take it nobody has found a 1.11 patch download besides blizzards yet? |
| 15:55.07 | AnduinLothar | yay: ? You can now target a player by clicking their name from the chat log and selecting the "Target" option. |
| 15:55.13 | Beladona | you might need xhtml 1.0 though if you have a lot of legacy code |
| 15:55.35 | AnduinLothar | i was gonna make an adoon to do that, now i dont have to |
| 15:55.44 | Cairenn | is everyone else stuck at 83%? |
| 15:55.57 | Tain | It was for me, it picked back up after a few minutes at 83 |
| 15:56.02 | Cide | Cairenn: Tain and I both were.. it took a while to get past it |
| 15:56.03 | Tentacled | AnduinLothar: please do make one that will add an "ignore" option there, though, if you have the time :) |
| 15:56.06 | Cide | bah, Tain! |
| 15:56.12 | AnduinLothar | already did |
| 15:56.23 | AnduinLothar | ChatIgnore's been on wowi for months |
| 15:56.37 | Tentacled | Oh. I am retarded as always, then. |
| 15:56.38 | Shadowed | i've downloaded about 32 KB in the last 20 minutes Cairenn |
| 15:56.39 | Beladona | my patch dl is still only at 24% |
| 15:56.50 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 15:56.56 | AnduinLothar | my patch dled in 5 min and patched in 2 |
| 15:57.04 | gnorlish | find the torrent the downloader is using and put it in a real torrent app |
| 15:57.14 | gnorlish | i can't find the torrent or i'd do exactly that |
| 15:57.32 | Beladona | gotta love torrent downloaders, without any of the torrent benefits.... |
| 15:57.33 | Shadowed | i've heard people talk about doing that, but could never find it :( |
| 15:57.38 | Dolby-wowi | <- 82% :( |
| 15:57.56 | Tain | Search for wowtorrentx |
| 15:57.58 | Legorol^ | <- 0% and won't progress till tomorrow |
| 15:58.02 | AnduinLothar | wait wait, how did they do this: ? The icons of negative effects on that appear on the player now have a color to indicate their type. |
| 15:58.15 | Tentacled | borders |
| 15:58.31 | AnduinLothar | hope that wont break my green positive buff borders in arch |
| 15:58.57 | AnduinLothar | tho their green posions might clash |
| 16:00.12 | Cairenn | hard to put up patch notes and stuff when I can't get them myself |
| 16:00.40 | AnduinLothar | ? When you kill a creature, the combat log will report "You have slain !" |
| 16:01.02 | Tentacled | I bet it was "You have slain %s!" that became broken :> |
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| 16:02.03 | Tentacled | though this smells of DIKU MUDness. "Your powerful smite ***!OBLITERATES!*** little pink rabbit" |
| 16:02.38 | Cairenn | thanks KarlKFI |
| 16:02.42 | KarlKFI | np |
| 16:02.46 | Tain | That pink rabbit had it coming. |
| 16:02.59 | Cairenn | any major difference between them and the test server notes? |
| 16:03.06 | AnduinLothar | no idea |
| 16:03.21 | Dolby-wowi | patch notes... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8759543&p=1&tmp=1#post8759543 |
| 16:03.34 | zenzelezz | final? |
| 16:03.49 | AnduinLothar | wow, they mentioned an addon |
| 16:03.55 | AnduinLothar | ? Fixed a bug which could cause improper on-screen positioning of game scene when using a mod such as CTWorldFrame, in conjunction with fullscreen effects such as the glow & death effects. |
| 16:04.13 | Dolby-wowi | wow |
| 16:04.26 | End | interesting |
| 16:04.31 | End | http://www.wowpatch.info/olate/details.php?file=7 |
| 16:04.38 | Cide | too bad they used the wrong name :) |
| 16:04.40 | End | I'm not sure if it is all there |
| 16:05.47 | End | (incidently, that's a site I found at random) |
| 16:05.48 | AnduinLothar | oo... ? Frame XML Change - There is a new "clampToScreen" attribute, which will prevent the frame from being dragged off the screen. |
| 16:05.56 | End | (so trust it as much as you are willing to) |
| 16:06.16 | Cide | www.whataboutpp.com should be accurate |
| 16:06.18 | End | (only as much as I mean) |
| 16:07.12 | Cairenn | ah, there's only one change |
| 16:07.14 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252) |
| 16:07.19 | Wobin | Tentacled: The Little Pink Rabbit's <redflash>DEATH CRY</redflash> echos through the land!!!1! |
| 16:07.28 | Cairenn | " Elemental Mastery: If you have this effect and Clearcasting at the same time, the Clearcasting effect will be consumed first. " has been deleted in the live version |
| 16:07.32 | AnduinLothar | EditBox:SetBlinkSpeed("SUPERFAST") |
| 16:07.37 | Tem | so, do we have confirmation that the patch goes live today? |
| 16:07.44 | Wobin | =P |
| 16:07.45 | Cairenn | yes |
| 16:07.48 | End | Tem: I'd say so |
| 16:08.19 | AnduinLothar | oh wow ? MessageFrame:Clear() i was jsut complaining about that yesterday |
| 16:13.12 | Shadowed | Anyone remember the pre-quests required to start turning in tier 3? can't seem to find it off of wowwalkthroughs |
| 16:17.06 | Legorol^ | LOL @ Tem |
| 16:17.29 | Legorol^ | Shadowed: the patch hasn't even hit yet and you are already looking for spoilers? |
| 16:17.34 | Legorol^ | why not try and find it in-game ;-) |
| 16:17.36 | Cide | you have to kill a couple of trash mobs or bosses (I forgot which) |
| 16:18.20 | Shadowed | So I can tell someone who posted on guild forums that we don't need to hit all 4 wings to get the attunement quest :p |
| 16:18.33 | Shadowed | since i only remember it requiring trash from two wings |
| 16:18.42 | Cide | yes, it's only 2 types of mobs |
| 16:20.47 | Beladona | me likes this patch |
| 16:20.57 | Beladona | at least the ui changes |
| 16:22.28 | Legorol^ | i mostly love this patch |
| 16:22.36 | Legorol^ | it's the first one i'm getting really excited about in a while |
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| 16:22.58 | Miravlix | Evening |
| 16:23.57 | Cairenn | hi Miravlix |
| 16:24.47 | Kaso | Uther's Strength is now properly flagged as Bind of Equip. ( can i get mine unbinded then ? ) |
| 16:26.22 | Shadowed | full 1.11 patch link http://www.fileplanet.com/150253/150000/fileinfo/World-of-Warcraft-Patch---v1.11-[Full-Patch] |
| 16:26.31 | Shadowed | 454 MB though :( |
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| 16:28.50 | Kebinusan | 1.10.2 ==> 1.11 is up to 90% for me |
| 16:29.00 | Sidely | Hi there folks. Quick question: Does UnitBuff have a real second return in 1.11? Previously it was always a return of 1, regardless of the true number of applications/charges on the buff. |
| 16:29.03 | zenzelezz | "Fixed a bug that caused abilities to lock up after being feared, charmed, or polymorphed. " <--- happy panda fix |
| 16:29.53 | Legorol^ | Sidely: quite possibly yes |
| 16:30.06 | Legorol^ | i read something in the patch notes about how buffs now display charges |
| 16:30.34 | Sidely | Yeah, but that's a separate function. I already looked through the updated BuffFrame.lua, and it makes a call to GetPlayerBuffApplications. |
| 16:31.22 | Sidely | It'd be nice to see charges remaining on party members' buffs. I'll have to test this when the servers are up. |
| 16:33.57 | Beladona | hooray Fileplanet |
| 16:34.15 | Shadowed | it's a 30 min wait for the full one though |
| 16:34.31 | End | heheh, the 1.10.2 ui changes thread finally got unstickied |
| 16:37.20 | Legorol^ | :( sad |
| 16:37.22 | Legorol^ | those were the days |
| 16:37.25 | Legorol^ | it has lots of good info! |
| 16:37.36 | Legorol^ | should save it to the Wiki i guess.. |
| 16:40.42 | Kirkburn | Ah, FF is really annoying me right now |
| 16:41.15 | Kirkburn | It won't show a line with <hr />, and it's ignoring when I tell something to have a black background |
| 16:42.52 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Legorol^ (n=Legorol@tcmpc43.phy.cam.ac.uk) |
| 16:43.40 | Kebinusan | someone posted a patch torrent on the wowace svn |
| 16:44.06 | Kebinusan | might be worth a shot if the bliz downloader is giving you trouble |
| 16:44.07 | Kirkburn | It doesn't make any damn sense! :( |
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| 16:44.31 | Osagasu | Goood afternoon |
| 16:45.16 | Kirkburn | Noon! |
| 16:45.38 | Osagasu | I don't really think much broke this time around, did it? |
| 16:45.54 | Sidely | Not terribly much. |
| 16:46.36 | Osagasu | I know Khaos broke, and I was having a few problems with AceGUI, but that's quite possibly another addon... |
| 16:47.19 | AnduinLothar | Earht that broken Khaos has already been updated |
| 16:47.44 | Osagasu | I know, I've already gotten the new distro |
| 16:48.27 | Osagasu | I'm dreading logging onto my mage... |
| 16:48.43 | Kirkburn | Phew, sorted the colour problem ... now why on earth won't FF show a horizontal line when I use <hr/> |
| 16:48.48 | Osagasu | I still have to decide which of the builds I made to test. :< |
| 16:51.14 | Osagasu | The funny thing is there isn't any guild on the server powerful enough to do Naxxramas. Noone's even been able to finish AQ40 on Twisting Nether |
| 16:51.52 | Shadowed | how far into AQ40 are they? |
| 16:52.31 | Kirkburn | (woop, FF is no longer a nonce) |
| 16:53.10 | Osagasu | I'm not sure, forums are down so I can't check the progress thread |
| 16:53.20 | Osagasu | or |
| 16:53.21 | Osagasu | the website is |
| 16:53.44 | Osagasu | silly me |
| 16:54.26 | Osagasu | Fankriss? |
| 16:54.29 | Shadowed | ouch |
| 16:54.38 | Shadowed | Yeah going to have some issues with naxx then! |
| 16:58.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowed, what speeds are you getting on fileplanet? |
| 16:58.50 | AnduinLothar | hmm, it's been a while since the last Cosmos release.. |
| 16:59.04 | wereHamster | regarding guild progress in instances.. my brother created a nice page to track the progress: http://dbservice.com/tom/guildprogress/ |
| 16:59.05 | AnduinLothar | 6 pages of condensed changes.. |
| 16:59.06 | Shadowed | I gave up on fileplanet and went for a link posted on the forums, getting 81 KB/s from the IP link |
| 16:59.25 | Shadowed | but it keeps degrading, was 130 KB now it's 80 KB :/ |
| 16:59.30 | ScytheBlade1 | where's this link? |
| 16:59.48 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8760055&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 16:59.58 | Kebinusan | wereHamster, thats pretty hot |
| 17:00.14 | Kebinusan | any chance of sharing it |
| 17:01.41 | wereHamster | I know that one other realm uses his code.. |
| 17:01.55 | Shadowed | nice |
| 17:02.17 | Kebinusan | I'd certainly be interested in it for our realm |
| 17:02.46 | wereHamster | maybe I should teal the code and put it online somewhere ;) |
| 17:02.53 | wereHamster | s/teal/steal/ |
| 17:02.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I would LOVE for the ability to adjust the upload rate on this... magically, my download rate would nearly triple... |
| 17:03.27 | Kebinusan | heheheh, well permission would be better :-) it certainly looks very well thought out |
| 17:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh, that's why wowwiki exists ;) |
| 17:05.47 | wereHamster | maybe a site for all realms would be nice.. but I'm not sure if he'll be willing to code it.. and our server definitely can't handle much more than our realm.. >2GB traffic/month |
| 17:07.24 | Kebinusan | heh yeah, and most people dont care about other realms |
| 17:07.58 | Kebinusan | I certainly think it'd be sexy to do for my realm, I just linked it to a few guildmates on vent they really like his work too |
| 17:08.02 | wereHamster | but would be nice to have one central place like blizzard had for the war effort ;) |
| 17:08.17 | Kebinusan | yeah |
| 17:08.27 | Dolby-wowi | not sure of a free solution but http://www.netlimiter.com/ lets you adjust up/down of each program or service using the network |
| 17:09.40 | wereHamster | yeah.. he sai he could release the code under the GPL :) |
| 17:09.52 | Kebinusan | that would be pretty hot |
| 17:10.04 | Kebinusan | I'd download it :-) |
| 17:12.11 | wereHamster | I would really like to put it somewhere public (svn etc) so other people can work on that, too |
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| 17:19.17 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 17:20.14 | AnduinLothar | wb |
| 17:20.29 | End | moo. |
| 17:20.37 | Iriel | Morning all. |
| 17:24.57 | Cide | Iriel: I hear there's a new DevTools out? any new features, or just patch changes? |
| 17:25.30 | End | I didn't just hear, I saw |
| 17:25.35 | End | actually, I didn't hear at all |
| 17:25.40 | End | I only saw |
| 17:26.10 | grimman | Any new patches on the live-servers? |
| 17:26.19 | Iriel | Right now just a toc change, I haven't quite integrated the loose ends of the new functionality |
| 17:26.34 | End | the new functionality? |
| 17:26.44 | Cairenn | hi Iriel |
| 17:26.46 | Sidely | About how many lines can one paste into a multi-line edit box before it takes so long that it may as well have made an infinite while loop? |
| 17:28.57 | Cide | theoretically, you can paste infinitely many without getting an infite while loop... it just takes a while is my guess :) |
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| 17:29.59 | AnduinLothar | yeah |
| 17:30.07 | Iriel | End: Some submitted features, and some I've been working on myself. |
| 17:30.10 | Sidely | Well, yeah, but about how many characters can you paste before the screen freeze exceeds five seconds? I thought the Khaos developers dealt with this when trying to copy configurations. |
| 17:30.29 | AnduinLothar | we got Khaos cut/paste importing/exporting of configurations to work but it takes a year to paste |
| 17:30.30 | End | cool, I look forward to seeing what they are, Iriel! |
| 17:31.16 | End | (whenever you get all those loose ends tied together) |
| 17:31.26 | Cide | (graphical table view, perhaps?!) |
| 17:31.54 | End | (I do remember mention of that) |
| 17:32.12 | Beladona | anyone know what the full version number is for wow.exe after the patch? my patch is still downloading, and I was just wondering |
| 17:32.20 | Ktron | Cide, wouldn't the paste hit a memory limit eventually/ |
| 17:32.21 | Ktron | *? |
| 17:32.36 | Cide | Ktron: practically speaking, yes :) |
| 17:33.31 | Sidely | Beladona: 1.11.0 (5428) ... unless you were asking for the TOC number, which is in the topic. |
| 17:33.49 | Iriel | My guess is 1.11.0-5428, but it'd be nice for confirmatoin |
| 17:33.51 | Iriel | and there it is 8-) |
| 17:34.06 | Cide | WoW-1.10.2.5302-to-1.11.0.5428-enUS-downloader.exe |
| 17:34.58 | Cide | file version seems to be 1.11.0.5428 |
| 17:35.16 | Sidely | Yeah, from the Version tab of the Properties screen. |
| 17:35.39 | Cide | aye |
| 17:35.47 | Cide | in-game it is indeed 1.11.0 (5428) |
| 17:36.25 | Osagasu | So Cide, ya'll are keeping the raid alert stuff in CTRA? |
| 17:36.30 | Ktron | any serious problems with the new patch as of yet? |
| 17:36.43 | Osagasu | Servers aren't up |
| 17:36.44 | Iriel | I have one problem with it. |
| 17:36.46 | Gryphen | lol |
| 17:36.51 | Osagasu | That's my problem. |
| 17:36.57 | Ktron | heh, /agree Osagasu |
| 17:36.58 | Cide | Osagasu: nothing, yet |
| 17:37.08 | Iriel | (That being that i'm at work and not at home where I could play) |
| 17:37.11 | Osagasu | eh? |
| 17:37.18 | Ktron | what's that, Iriel? |
| 17:37.18 | Cairenn | I have a problem with it |
| 17:37.23 | Ktron | and Cairenn? |
| 17:37.35 | Cairenn | can't frigging well get the damn thing to finish downloading, and I'm trying like 3 different sites |
| 17:37.41 | Ktron | Finally, here comes the thunder and rain:) |
| 17:37.44 | End | I have the same problem as Iriel |
| 17:37.45 | Cide | Osagasu: oh, I misread :), we're keeping our own for now |
| 17:37.55 | End | anyone have any fix to our problem? ;p |
| 17:37.55 | Shadowed | i'm downloading the IP one from the link i posted a bit up, it's going slowly but it's going |
| 17:38.11 | Cairenn | plus, I can't get to the blizz site so that I can flesh out my front page news post |
| 17:38.17 | Cairenn | and I can't get to |
| 17:38.20 | Cairenn | and I can't get to |
| 17:38.24 | Cairenn | and ... argh |
| 17:38.34 | Osagasu | Any particular reason why, other than convinence? I'm afraid I didn't get into a raid to test it. |
| 17:38.34 | End | I can't get to the wow site either |
| 17:38.55 | Cairenn | I can't get to the Alla site |
| 17:39.01 | Osagasu | I can't either Cair |
| 17:39.03 | Shadowed | i love patch day |
| 17:39.09 | Cairenn | and on and on and on ... *goes crazy* |
| 17:39.12 | Cide | Osagasu: why we're keeping it? |
| 17:39.15 | Osagasu | Yeah |
| 17:39.29 | ToastTheif | so how's the downtime treating everyone? |
| 17:39.32 | Cide | because we're rewriting CTRA as a whole, and didn't feel like making huge changes when they will soon be overridden |
| 17:39.34 | Wobin | Servers starting in 20min? or 2hr20? |
| 17:39.41 | Osagasu | That's a good reason. |
| 17:39.48 | Osagasu | Very good reason. |
| 17:39.49 | End | in theory, 20 min I guess |
| 17:39.50 | Cairenn | theoretically 20 mins |
| 17:39.58 | Wobin | oh good =P |
| 17:39.59 | End | but, that's assuming everything is read |
| 17:39.59 | End | y |
| 17:40.16 | End | alla is just slow |
| 17:40.49 | Osagasu | I'd ask for help choosing a spec, but all three of them are on the WoW talent page |
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| 17:41.21 | Ktron | spec for a what?M |
| 17:41.36 | Kirkburn | What do ya think? http://blogtest.georgepribul.eu/ (ignore the address, I'm still waiting for test.clearfont.co.uk to activate) |
| 17:41.39 | Cairenn | blargh |
| 17:41.47 | Cairenn | (not you Kirkburn) |
| 17:41.47 | Osagasu | My mage |
| 17:41.56 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 17:42.01 | Kirkburn | Oh wait, I didn't update it! |
| 17:42.27 | Ktron | heheh lotlnitm |
| 17:42.27 | AnduinLothar | Cosmos 1.11 Release 6/20/06 Change Summary: http://www.cosmosui.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=50932 |
| 17:42.30 | zenzelezz | I find the gradient thing that stops suddenly next to the text in the heading odd |
| 17:42.47 | Kebinusan | people still use cosmos? |
| 17:42.51 | Kirkburn | Er, go there again - it's updated now:) |
| 17:43.02 | zenzelezz | much better |
| 17:43.04 | Kirkburn | lotlnitm = great name :P |
| 17:43.25 | AnduinLothar | Yes, a few thousand people still use Cosmos |
| 17:43.26 | Kirkburn | You don't have to put on sunglasses for this website :P |
| 17:43.29 | Ktron | heh, yeah, a lot do... I take a lot of addons out of Cosmos, they do a good job of having working, updated addons :) |
| 17:43.31 | End | speaking of which, whatever happened to futrtrbl? |
| 17:43.38 | End | (the person) |
| 17:43.43 | End | didn't he used to hang around here? |
| 17:43.44 | Kebinusan | true enough |
| 17:43.51 | Kirkburn | Good question |
| 17:43.52 | Ktron | yeah, he did... i don't know Rmf |
| 17:43.57 | Kebinusan | I used to do that too with Insomniax |
| 17:43.59 | Cairenn | he left |
| 17:44.06 | End | ah, well, I was just curious |
| 17:44.21 | Cairenn | rl has him too busy |
| 17:44.22 | Ktron | It was all your fault Rmf. heh heh |
| 17:44.59 | Ktron | t; od pbrttsyrf |
| 17:45.10 | Cairenn | lol Ktron |
| 17:46.11 | Ktron | everyone who wasn't around for that yesterday is like eyg |
| 17:46.18 | Ktron | or manybe qrd |
| 17:46.23 | Ktron | s/manybe/maybe/ |
| 17:46.42 | Cairenn | I was around, but it still looks funny ;) |
| 17:46.50 | End | oh |
| 17:46.52 | End | I get it now |
| 17:47.36 | End | yeah, I was there whenever that was |
| 17:48.18 | Ktron | oy vsm nr epeo'd drvtry vpfr og upi esmy jrj jrj |
| 17:49.09 | Beladona | yeah, it won't download fast enough |
| 17:49.35 | Beladona | blizz needs to do something with their patch seeds |
| 17:49.53 | Ktron | like release them publicly ;)? |
| 17:49.57 | Beladona | lol |
| 17:50.24 | Beladona | I am all for using torrent technology, but it kinda defeats the purpose when it is closed |
| 17:50.45 | Cairenn | for those that haven't caught on, what Ktron just said was: "it can be wowi's secret code if you want heh heh" |
| 17:51.04 | Wobin | jrjr |
| 17:53.36 | Ktron | like, new guy walks into the channel and is like "Can any1 hook me ^ with a cool ui?" and we can be like "yjod hiu od s ypys; mppn, ;ry'd ,slr jo, fr;ryr dpmryjomh o,[ptysmy |
| 17:53.38 | Ktron | " |
| 17:53.57 | Cairenn | eidk |
| 17:54.43 | Kaso | "A boss in the Graveyard in Scarlet Monastery, added in Patch 1.11. He spawns after you kill Bloodmage Thalnos, is a level 34 Elite, and looks like Ras Frostwhisper." - i cant find him :< |
| 17:56.09 | Shadowed | can you target him? |
| 17:56.33 | Kaso | Hope |
| 17:56.34 | Kaso | nope |
| 17:56.50 | Kaso | unless he's in the area where the scarlet guysa re |
| 17:57.47 | Osagasu | Where's it say that? |
| 17:57.57 | Iriel | It's in the patch notes somewhere |
| 17:58.03 | Iriel | I recall reading it at one point |
| 17:58.23 | Osagasu | I can't find it in the ones on WoWI |
| 17:59.37 | Kaso | bah perhaps hes bugged, ill get a chance to try out the instance reset |
| 17:59.51 | Osagasu | And I did a search in the patch notes text file, the only think I can find is a comment that says Ras Frostwhisper will always drop two rare itesm |
| 17:59.55 | Osagasu | *Items |
| 17:59.59 | Ktron | Kaso, does that mean your server came up? |
| 18:00.10 | Kaso | Nah, the EU ptr is still up. |
| 18:00.27 | Ktron | ah |
| 18:00.35 | Osagasu | Maybe it WAS in there, but they took it out? |
| 18:01.05 | Kaso | seems odd, im gonna try reset and try it out maybe it bugged somehow |
| 18:01.41 | Osagasu | Cause it isn't in the patch notes |
| 18:02.58 | Kaso | its listed as one of the un-documented Changes on wowwiki |
| 18:03.05 | Kirkburn | Lol Kaso, I wrote that ;) |
| 18:03.05 | Kaso | and people i know have seen him |
| 18:03.22 | Kirkburn | I've seen screenshots of him |
| 18:03.34 | Kaso | ill give him 1 more try |
| 18:03.48 | Kirkburn | Once you kill him he's supposed to start wandering in the fgraveyard |
| 18:03.58 | Kirkburn | I've never been there, so I can't describe it well :P |
| 18:04.19 | Kirkburn | Something about him coming towards the entrance to something |
| 18:04.26 | Kaso | ive just reset so ill try it again |
| 18:04.55 | Osagasu | ooh |
| 18:05.00 | Osagasu | he drops a nice necklace |
| 18:05.09 | Osagasu | for... level 34s. >.> |
| 18:06.11 | Iriel | Esamynn is slipping, I managed to trim 8 chararacters of a macro declared as "As short as it will go" |
| 18:07.00 | Cide | /gasp |
| 18:07.11 | JoshBorke | hello |
| 18:07.24 | Cide | paste it in here and let's see if someone can beat you, Iriel! |
| 18:07.27 | Cide | JoshBorke: hi again |
| 18:08.16 | Iriel | It's: /script local c,s,x=CastSpellByName,strfind x=GetInventoryItemLink("player",13)if s(x,"item:20036")or s(x,"item:11832")then UseInventoryItem(13)end SpellStopCasting()c("Arcane Power")c("Pyroblast") |
| 18:08.18 | JoshBorke | swell, my patcher broke :-/ |
| 18:09.29 | Kaso | you could have declared the vars as global to save 5 chars :> |
| 18:09.36 | Cairenn | yay, finally finished downloading |
| 18:09.39 | Iriel | That's against the rules |
| 18:09.46 | JoshBorke | brb |
| 18:09.53 | Kaso | rules smules |
| 18:10.47 | Wobin | couldn't you have "m:20036" or something similar? |
| 18:10.53 | Iriel | I suggested that in the thread |
| 18:10.55 | Shadowed | @#$)%^(#$ |
| 18:11.00 | Shadowed | patch 89% and it times out :( |
| 18:11.38 | Wobin | Come back, realms! All is forgiven! |
| 18:12.23 | Cide | Iriel: why c,s,x=... x=...? |
| 18:15.15 | Wobin | x=GetInventor |
| 18:15.17 | Wobin | ,,, |
| 18:15.50 | Wobin | couldn't you do local c,s,x=CastSpellByName,strfind,GetInventoryItemLink("player",13) |
| 18:15.51 | Wobin | ? |
| 18:16.10 | Sidely | Presumably. |
| 18:17.33 | Cide | that's my point :) |
| 18:19.32 | AnduinLothar | has anyone made a mod to sellect reputation bar faction by dropdown? |
| 18:19.54 | Tentacled | what patch are you guys talking about..? I see no big patchfile, besides the newest 5 MB 1.11 update on PTRs... eh? |
| 18:20.16 | AnduinLothar | 1.11 is live in US |
| 18:20.19 | Shadowed | 1.10 -> 1.11 live one |
| 18:20.20 | Tentacled | ah. |
| 18:20.28 | Tentacled | US schmUS. |
| 18:20.31 | Tentacled | pft. :> |
| 18:20.41 | Tentacled | but hey, they get all the bugs earlier. :D |
| 18:20.55 | AnduinLothar | yay bugs! |
| 18:21.00 | Wobin | rararar |
| 18:21.08 | Wobin | come back realms |
| 18:21.52 | AnduinLothar | i should do somethign productive instead of waiting around for the realms.. |
| 18:22.11 | AnduinLothar | nap time |
| 18:22.23 | Shadowed | oh for |
| 18:22.23 | Dolby-wowi | a nice productive nap |
| 18:22.26 | Dolby-wowi | i need one |
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| 18:22.36 | Shadowed | fileplante times out, blizzard background downloader wont work, other download times out |
| 18:22.41 | Shadowed | somebody doesn't want me playing WoW today |
| 18:22.53 | Wobin | hm, there's a torrent on the AceSVN |
| 18:23.03 | Dolby-wowi | i was able to download from the fileplanet midwest server |
| 18:23.27 | Shadowed | i was like 1,000 in line at fileplanet but it went to this page cannot be displayed |
| 18:23.35 | Shadowed | Wobin: Do you have a link? When i checked AceSVN i didn't see it |
| 18:23.47 | Sidely | By the by: /script local c,s=CastSpellByName,strsub(GetInventoryItemLink("player",13),18,22) if s=="20036" or s=="11832" then UseInventoryItem(13)end SpellStopCasting()c("Arcane Power")c("Pyroblast") |
| 18:24.36 | Sidely | The length of the string prior to the item's base ID is always the same, making string.sub perfectly suitable. |
| 18:24.45 | Wobin | under PatchTorrents? |
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| 18:25.09 | Wobin | http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/PatchTorrents/ |
| 18:25.31 | Shadowed | missed that, thanks. |
| 18:27.37 | Cairenn | new download link: http://wow.allakhazam.com/file.html?1 |
| 18:28.46 | Wobin | I'd suggest i={20036=1,11832=1} and then use "if i[s] then" but it won't work easily with integers |
| 18:29.50 | Cairenn | wow-patch-1.10.2.5302-to-1.11.0.5428-OSX-enUS.tgz (159 MB) |
| 18:29.50 | Cairenn | wow-patch-1.10.2.5302-1.11.0.5428.zip (157 MB) |
| 18:30.07 | Cairenn | http://wow.allakhazam.com/clstr11/file.pl?file=wow-patch-1.10.2.5302-to-1.11.0.5428-OSX-enUS.tgz |
| 18:30.07 | Cairenn | http://wow.allakhazam.com/clstr11/file.pl?file=wow-patch-1.10.2.5302-1.11.0.5428.zip |
| 18:30.28 | Gryphen | :o |
| 18:30.35 | Sidely | :o indeed. |
| 18:30.52 | Cairenn | ? |
| 18:30.53 | Wobin | I'd suggest i,c,s={20036=1,11832=1},CastSpellByName,strsub(GetInventoryItemLink("player",13),18,22) if i[s+0] then UseInventoryItem(13)end SpellStopCasting()c("Arcane Power")c("Pyroblast") |
| 18:31.05 | Gryphen | hehe the first like was plenty hehe |
| 18:31.07 | Wobin | maybe it's shorter =P |
| 18:31.08 | Gryphen | that was my :o |
| 18:31.30 | Cairenn | for those that are lazy and wanted the direct links ;) |
| 18:31.44 | Cairenn | the middle part was a goof on my end |
| 18:32.55 | Sidely | I think that's two characters shorten, Wobin. |
| 18:34.10 | End | well, you do have some excess whitespace now ;p |
| 18:35.15 | Wobin | quite likely =) |
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| 18:50.02 | Shadowed | finally, only took about 3 hours, 4 failed downloads but i have the patch |
| 18:50.13 | Wobin | hehe |
| 18:50.20 | Wobin | all the servers appear to be in flux |
| 18:50.29 | Shadowed | i'd upload the patch to my server, but it's down :( |
| 18:55.46 | Kirkburn | Gah, it's so annoying when FF and IE display stuff differently |
| 18:55.57 | Shadowed | thats what makes HTML interesting |
| 18:56.06 | Kirkburn | Also, I keep finding bugs in FF |
| 18:56.10 | Shadowed | Wheres the fun if you don't have to work with 3-5 browser standards at once! |
| 18:56.13 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 18:56.30 | Kirkburn | I refuse to install another browser :P Two is more than enough |
| 18:56.55 | Kirkburn | Right at the moment it's the lists that are displaying differently :P |
| 18:57.24 | Iriel | I dont like it when the spec is ambiguous enough that both are technically correct. |
| 18:58.00 | Iriel | We've run into some awkward CSS differences with spacing that fell into that category. |
| 18:59.19 | Kirkburn | Sounds like fun :) The bug I've found is FF rendering badly - renders a 1px line as 2px :( |
| 18:59.27 | Kirkburn | but only *some* of the time |
| 19:00.57 | Iriel | You mean you reload and it's different? |
| 19:01.07 | Iriel | With the exact same source? |
| 19:01.32 | Ktron | heh, they must be coming up... there's a small list of servers coming up for me now with 'offline' as their status |
| 19:01.47 | Cide | /script s,i=CastSpellByName,{["20036"]=1,["11832"]=1}SpellStopCasting(i[strsub(GetInventoryItemLink("player",13),18,22)]and UseInventoryItem(13))c"Arcane Power"c"Pyroblast" |
| 19:01.50 | Cide | wonder if that works |
| 19:02.02 | Cide | Wobin: yours errors |
| 19:02.06 | Shadowed | Ktron: They keep coming up and down |
| 19:02.07 | Tarog | woo! servers are coming back up |
| 19:02.09 | Wobin | alas =) |
| 19:02.13 | Wobin | what's the error |
| 19:02.14 | Tarog | hmm |
| 19:02.15 | Shadowed | One second a server is up, another second it's down |
| 19:02.18 | Tarog | I'll shut up |
| 19:02.20 | Cide | {20036=1,11832=1} |
| 19:02.32 | Cide | need ["..."] like I have |
| 19:02.36 | chuckg | Update your mods! |
| 19:02.39 | chuckg | !!!! |
| 19:02.45 | Wobin | no, that's what the s+0 should do =\ |
| 19:02.48 | Ktron | are the sites hammereds yet? |
| 19:02.59 | Cide | yeah, but that's a syntax error |
| 19:03.11 | Wobin | ah |
| 19:03.12 | Wobin | hm |
| 19:03.16 | Wobin | oh well =P |
| 19:03.31 | Cide | now beat mine :) |
| 19:03.33 | Iriel | None of these macros handle null very well |
| 19:04.16 | Cide | I don't get why {20036=1,11832=1} doesn't work.. Iriel, care to enlighten me? :) |
| 19:04.19 | Ktron | anyone remember a simple program that merely let you see if you're dependancies and interface numbers were up to date? |
| 19:04.32 | Ktron | (for all your mods, not just one, one would be easy to do) |
| 19:04.36 | Kirkburn | Iriel: no, it occurs in the same place each time ... it may be because I'm using an LCD, I guess it attempts to render the line between two pixel lines, but instead renders on both. |
| 19:05.43 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Does your graphics card resolution not match your panel's native resolution? |
| 19:05.52 | Kirkburn | I'm seeing it on here on the side highlight boxes: http://blogtest.georgepribul.eu/ |
| 19:05.58 | Kirkburn | Nope, perfect match |
| 19:05.59 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Or are you using non-pixel positioning? |
| 19:07.10 | Kirkburn | It's pixel positioned (I think, since I'm guessing what you mean) |
| 19:08.24 | Iriel | You have a 1pt border, not a 1px border |
| 19:08.28 | Iriel | Maybe that's your problem? |
| 19:09.49 | Wobin | Cide: /script s,i=CastSpellByName,{[20036]=1,[11832]=1}SpellStopCasting(i[strsub(GetInventoryItemLink("player",13),18,22)+0]and UseInventoryItem(13))c"Arcane Power"c"Pyroblast" |
| 19:10.07 | Cide | ah, that works too |
| 19:10.12 | Iriel | Wobin: That fails if the slot is empty |
| 19:10.17 | Cide | I didn't try with integers in [] |
| 19:10.20 | Wobin | ah, nil + 0 |
| 19:10.45 | Iriel | What's the point of that version? It's longer and more fragile? |
| 19:10.50 | Kirkburn | Thanks Iriel! :) Stupid template ... |
| 19:10.56 | Wobin | Shortening for the sake of absurd shortening! |
| 19:11.02 | Wobin | who needs reasons =P |
| 19:11.06 | Shadowed | Think they are trying to one up eachothers shortening |
| 19:11.12 | Iriel | But cide's should be shorter |
| 19:11.13 | Shadowed | just because they can! |
| 19:11.20 | Wobin | Exactly =) |
| 19:11.30 | Iriel | "20036" and [20036] are the same length, and cide's doeswn't need +0 |
| 19:11.42 | Cide | mine's [""] |
| 19:11.46 | Wobin | ah, cide was using [""] |
| 19:11.50 | Wobin | but really he didn't need to |
| 19:11.57 | Iriel | oh, actually, does he need to, I dont recall |
| 19:12.07 | Cide | yes |
| 19:12.17 | Iriel | Ah, never mind then, hm |
| 19:12.17 | Wobin | "20036"=1...etal works just as well |
| 19:12.21 | Cide | using "20036"=1 ... errors |
| 19:12.27 | Wobin | oh? =\ |
| 19:12.37 | Cide | '}' expected near '=' |
| 19:12.47 | Wobin | oh yeah |
| 19:12.48 | Wobin | that's right |
| 19:12.49 | Cide | which was my question to Iriel, heh.. how come? |
| 19:13.03 | Iriel | Sorry, wasn't thinking that though entirely |
| 19:13.21 | Iriel | Once you add support for the slot being empty, I think cide's will win |
| 19:13.41 | Wobin | hehe |
| 19:14.06 | Iriel | And you can't remove the local |
| 19:14.13 | Iriel | That's against the rules |
| 19:14.28 | Cide | ah yeah, I missed that |
| 19:14.30 | Gryphen | CT_RABossMods.toc has two ## Version: fyi |
| 19:14.41 | Cide | hm? I'm guessing our auto-updater failed |
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| 19:15.03 | Shadowed | mine does and i didn't use an auto-updater |
| 19:15.22 | Cide | I mean, our script to update the version |
| 19:15.23 | Iriel | The SpellStopCasting trick is cute, but i'm not sure it's safe |
| 19:15.35 | Shadowed | missed that! |
| 19:15.37 | Iriel | (It's safe NOW, for sure, but I mean in general as something to be encouraged) |
| 19:16.23 | Gryphen | Two Version, and no Title |
| 19:16.26 | Wobin | Cide: Post it up =) |
| 19:16.34 | Cide | I'm lazy, you do it! |
| 19:17.51 | Cide | ok, so I briefly tried SetCursor |
| 19:17.56 | Cide | has anyone gotten that to work? |
| 19:18.07 | Cide | with a 32x32 file, I mean |
| 19:21.08 | Cide | tried both a blp and a tga, haven't managed to get it to work |
| 19:21.18 | Iriel | Cide: |
| 19:21.21 | Iriel | Ack |
| 19:21.24 | Iriel | Try that again |
| 19:21.29 | Iriel | Cide: /script local i={["20036"]=1,["11832"]=1}i=CastSpellByName,i[strsub(GetInventoryItemLink("player",13)or'',18,22)]and UseInventoryItem(13)SpellStopCasting()i"Arcane Power"i"Pyroblast" |
| 19:21.49 | Wobin | /script local s,i=CastSpellByName,{["20036"]=1,["11832"]=1}SpellStopCasting(i[strsub(GetInventoryItemLink("player",13),18,22)]and UseInventoryItem(13))c"Arcane Power"c"Pyroblast" |
| 19:22.05 | Wobin | you have two i='s |
| 19:22.15 | Iriel | I know |
| 19:22.26 | Iriel | You have 2 variables |
| 19:22.26 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 19:22.38 | Cide | Iriel: executes fine |
| 19:22.42 | Cide | no errors or anything |
| 19:23.04 | Cide | Wobin: not nil safe for missing inventory link |
| 19:23.08 | Wobin | oh that's just scary, Iriel =P |
| 19:23.13 | Ktron | lotlnitm, i approve |
| 19:23.18 | Wobin | No, that was yours =) |
| 19:23.24 | Wobin | I just pasted it for comparison |
| 19:23.31 | Cide | ok, mine's not nil safe! |
| 19:24.15 | Cide | /script local s,i=CastSpellByName,{["20036"]=1,["11832"]=1}SpellStopCasting(i[strsub(GetInventoryItemLink("player",13)or"",18,22)]and UseInventoryItem(13))s"Arcane Power"s"Pyroblast" |
| 19:24.36 | Wobin | longer I think? |
| 19:24.41 | Wobin | (just from eyeballing it) |
| 19:24.45 | Cide | I added or "" |
| 19:25.02 | Iriel | Same length as mine I think |
| 19:25.12 | Cide | haha, yep |
| 19:25.13 | Cide | both are 183 chars |
| 19:25.14 | Iriel | But mine odesn't break if SpellStopCasting ever starts taking an optional argument |
| 19:25.43 | Cide | well, it should always return false (which should/will be default) |
| 19:25.49 | Iriel | Actually, isn't there a missing or misplaced SpellStopCasting |
| 19:26.02 | Cide | in mine? |
| 19:26.59 | Iriel | In all of them |
| 19:27.06 | Iriel | between Arcane Power and Pyroblast |
| 19:27.20 | Cide | hmm, yes |
| 19:27.23 | Iriel | Isn't it: /script local i={["20036"]=1,["11832"]=1}i=CastSpellByName,i[strsub(GetInventoryItemLink("player",13)or'',18,22)]and UseInventoryItem(13)i"Arcane Power"SpellStopCasting()i"Pyroblast" |
| 19:27.38 | Cide | need two SpellStopCasting, no? |
| 19:27.48 | Iriel | Someone in the thread said you dont need one for the trinket |
| 19:27.54 | Iriel | I dont play such games so never really know |
| 19:28.00 | Cide | same, I have no clue :) |
| 19:28.10 | Cide | I would guess that it does, since it's a spell like anything else.. but who knows |
| 19:28.11 | Shadowed | i don't think you did |
| 19:28.13 | Kebinusan | lol the lfg channel seems broken, guildmates are saying you can talk to horde |
| 19:28.15 | Kaso | I know you didnt have to but i think it might have been changed |
| 19:28.19 | Wobin | I think it ceased becoming a valid exercise long long ago =) |
| 19:28.36 | Cide | in any case |
| 19:28.47 | Wobin | Kebinusan: How are they logging in? From what I'm seeing, all the clusters are cycling =( |
| 19:28.51 | Shadowed | actually i take that back, I think you may need it |
| 19:28.54 | Cide | I don't think it can be trimmed down much further than 183 chars |
| 19:29.00 | Beladona | I think we should be able to hire gnomish translators to allow us to talk to horde for limited times |
| 19:29.05 | Beladona | ok that was a joke |
| 19:29.18 | Wobin | hehe |
| 19:29.27 | Cide | I was hoping to do ({["20036"]=1,{"11832"]=1})[...], but that doesn't work :( |
| 19:29.40 | Beladona | it would be like the UN |
| 19:29.53 | Beladona | or badly dubbed japanime |
| 19:29.56 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 19:30.10 | Kaso | Just checked: you dont need spellstop for trinket |
| 19:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Say what? |
| 19:35.02 | Kaso | (Cide) need two SpellStopCasting, no? (for trinket) |
| 19:35.17 | ScytheBlade1 | And you don't, huh? |
| 19:35.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, nice |
| 19:35.21 | Cide | you just said that it isn't needed |
| 19:36.18 | Kaso | Im confused now |
| 19:37.04 | Shadowed | You only need one spell stop casting if you don't need it for trinkets since you're only casting arcane power and pyrblast |
| 19:37.36 | Shadowed | Trinket -> Arcane Power -> Spell stop -> Pyroblast. shouldn't need two spellstopcasting then |
| 19:37.38 | Wobin | Well there's a POM thrown in there too |
| 19:37.46 | Wobin | But we've ignored that completely =) |
| 19:38.00 | Shadowed | well that changes it completly! :p |
| 19:38.41 | ScytheBlade1 | woot |
| 19:38.43 | ScytheBlade1 | my server is up |
| 19:38.45 | ScytheBlade1 | afk |
| 19:39.30 | Shadowed | you'll be back in 5 minutes! |
| 19:39.40 | Shadowed | oh wait mine is too |
| 19:39.49 | Wobin | everyone deserts the channel =) |
| 19:39.57 | Wobin | except those weird EU people |
| 19:40.18 | Shadowed | Is there anything special to read or know before updating some of the global functions on the wiki? Was thinking of updating some of the battlefield info since it's somewhat outdated. |
| 19:40.34 | Shadowed | (meant to ask a while ago) |
| 19:41.04 | Shadowed | besides the "How to edit API pages" and "API Notation and conventions" ones |
| 19:41.09 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Now make the text not move when rolled over, and make the text in the top left corner look less fuzzy. |
| 19:41.41 | Iriel | Shadowed : No, really i'd say the guidelines are (1) follow the established layouts (2) dont correct something unless you're ABSOLUTELY sure it's wrong |
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| 19:42.41 | Kirkburn | ta daa! :) |
| 19:42.56 | Shadowed | Iriel: Alright thanks |
| 19:44.30 | Iriel | Kirkburn : (1) yay (2) linebreak? why? |
| 19:45.39 | Kirkburn | What should I use instead? |
| 19:46.45 | Ktron | bovyptu od ,omr@@ |
| 19:46.54 | Ktron | s/@@/!!/ |
| 19:47.24 | Iriel | Kirkburn: I just figured you'd have the same text with crisper outlines, that was all |
| 19:48.26 | Kirkburn | I'm not decided on whether to keep it anyway :P |
| 19:50.15 | Beladona | finally, wdn changelogs are up |
| 19:50.32 | Ktron | purl, coke:mentos is approximately 2 liters to 1 sleeve for maximal reactions. |
| 19:50.33 | purl | Ktron: okay |
| 19:51.40 | Kirkburn | Cool Bela :) |
| 19:51.58 | Kirkburn | I got rid of it ... much cleaner design without it =) |
| 19:52.51 | End | what the hell, I'm have a productive day :O |
| 19:52.54 | End | ~productivity |
| 19:52.55 | purl | yay! i mean.. boo. |
| 19:53.06 | End | (erm, having) |
| 19:53.48 | Kirkburn | :) |
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| 19:54.34 | Kirkburn | Anyone have any suggestions about this, before I start doing the rest of the site? http://blogtest.georgepribul.eu/ |
| 19:55.50 | Industrial | no, its nice |
| 19:55.57 | Industrial | i'd ask Beladona in #wowi-lounge |
| 19:56.15 | Beladona | wrong channel? |
| 19:56.18 | Beladona | =P |
| 19:56.22 | Industrial | eh |
| 19:56.25 | Industrial | wewps |
| 19:56.26 | Industrial | :P |
| 19:56.40 | Beladona | I like the design Kirkburn |
| 19:56.41 | Kirkburn | Very confusing ... =) |
| 19:56.43 | Beladona | nice anc clean |
| 19:56.46 | Beladona | and* |
| 19:56.51 | Industrial | Kirkburn: thought tis was in #wowace :P |
| 19:56.56 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 19:57.10 | Industrial | we should merge, but I think some people would object |
| 19:57.11 | Kirkburn | If anything, it's a bit easier on the eyes than the current one (www.clearfont.co.uk) |
| 19:57.12 | Beladona | I can join wowace if they had a question |
| 19:57.23 | End | using ircII or something? ;p |
| 19:57.28 | Industrial | irssi |
| 19:57.30 | Industrial | so yes |
| 19:57.31 | Industrial | :D |
| 19:57.37 | End | irssi is completely different :P |
| 19:57.44 | Industrial | not much |
| 19:57.48 | Industrial | well.. |
| 19:57.49 | Industrial | ok |
| 19:57.50 | Industrial | :P |
| 19:58.21 | End | as two terminal based irc clients go they are completely different, not in terms of all irc clients |
| 19:59.35 | Industrial | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Ircii.png |
| 19:59.36 | Industrial | http://irssi.org/themefiles/kaer.png |
| 19:59.52 | Cairenn | god I love QC: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=646 |
| 19:59.54 | Industrial | second is just the theme i use |
| 20:00.44 | Industrial | lol Cairenn |
| 20:00.47 | End | hrmph, maybe I was thinking of a different irc client |
| 20:00.48 | Industrial | yay new comic to read |
| 20:00.59 | Cairenn | you've never seen QC before?!?! |
| 20:01.03 | Industrial | no :< |
| 20:01.10 | Cairenn | wow, you're missing out |
| 20:01.20 | Industrial | I need a good comic reader app that will just show me the comics |
| 20:01.33 | Industrial | and the new ones automatically |
| 20:01.34 | Industrial | :> |
| 20:01.39 | Industrial | theres just too many |
| 20:01.57 | Industrial | dilbert, vgcats, ctrl-alt-del, oot, etc |
| 20:02.00 | End | hrm, ok, I don't know -what- irc client I was thinking of |
| 20:02.13 | Beladona | I recently added google analytics to wdn.wowinterface -- it is interesting to see who is coming to the site |
| 20:02.29 | End | or else, ircII is -really- customizable, and I didn't know it had a split screen mode |
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| 20:03.02 | Industrial | I dont know much of ircII, but I know that bitchX and irssi are based off of it |
| 20:03.34 | End | Unlike some text mode IRC clients, Irssi is not based on the ircII code, a |
| 20:03.40 | Beladona | 2 people from Beijing like wdn |
| 20:03.43 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@208.104.133.240) |
| 20:03.43 | Beladona | =P |
| 20:03.46 | End | so in this case, not based on ircII actually |
| 20:03.55 | End | (or at least, according to wikipedia) |
| 20:04.10 | Industrial | Beladona: bet thats wobin |
| 20:04.21 | Beladona | ahh is he over there? didn't know that |
| 20:04.27 | Wobin | Hum |
| 20:04.35 | Wobin | I haven't looked at wdn for a while |
| 20:04.40 | Wobin | Certainly not recently =) |
| 20:05.53 | Industrial | Wobin: sorry Ijust have to ask |
| 20:05.54 | Beladona | 4 people from Mountain View, CA\ |
| 20:05.59 | Industrial | Is your real name Ed? |
| 20:06.06 | Wobin | No |
| 20:06.06 | Industrial | *badoom tisch* |
| 20:06.07 | Wobin | Ben |
| 20:06.18 | Industrial | oh, would have thought robin |
| 20:06.18 | Industrial | :> |
| 20:06.25 | End | no, that's my name |
| 20:06.29 | Industrial | .. |
| 20:06.34 | Wobin | Where did you get Ed from? =P |
| 20:06.39 | Industrial | nowhere |
| 20:06.39 | Industrial | :d |
| 20:06.53 | Wobin | Sorry End, I had it first =P |
| 20:06.53 | End | (do a /who on me) |
| 20:07.03 | Wobin | oh Robin |
| 20:07.06 | Wobin | Not Ben |
| 20:07.08 | End | lol |
| 20:07.14 | Industrial | End: ;P |
| 20:07.24 | End | yeah, I suppose I wasn't terribly clear :P |
| 20:07.36 | Wobin | Wobin -did- come from Robin though, somewhat indirectly |
| 20:07.38 | End | Industrial likes to finger me! |
| 20:07.49 | Industrial | haha :P |
| 20:07.50 | Wobin | In that I started with Puck, moved to Robin, then to Wobin |
| 20:09.07 | AnduinLothar | hmm, only mod of mine that broke is... EasyRaid |
| 20:09.24 | Beladona | nice, majority of people visiting wdn are Firefox users |
| 20:09.24 | Wobin | I can say right now |
| 20:09.29 | Beladona | 44% |
| 20:09.32 | Wobin | WorldLinked LFG was a bad idea =( |
| 20:09.59 | AnduinLothar | i dissagree |
| 20:10.01 | Kirkburn | Lol @ the Curse Gamign banner ..... Users Online: Too many |
| 20:10.06 | End | lol |
| 20:10.09 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 20:10.15 | Wobin | AL: Well, it's horrifically spammy atm |
| 20:10.15 | Beladona | ahh pardon, that was browser / platform combo, it is actually 60% firefox total |
| 20:10.16 | End | that's awesome |
| 20:10.33 | Wobin | And I've seen maybe one request for a LFG |
| 20:10.34 | End | apparently curse disabled user logins for the time being :O |
| 20:10.39 | AnduinLothar | mine's just lfgs. looks legit |
| 20:10.41 | Kirkburn | I've noticed |
| 20:10.50 | Kirkburn | So much for posting an update :/ |
| 20:10.53 | netcurse | use http://beta1.curse-gaming.com/en |
| 20:10.58 | End | yeah |
| 20:10.59 | Industrial | Cairenn: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4 |
| 20:11.02 | AnduinLothar | there's the other server, yeah |
| 20:11.03 | Kirkburn | Ooh, cool |
| 20:11.04 | Industrial | my gawddd hilarious |
| 20:11.06 | Industrial | *read* |
| 20:11.19 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Arog (n=Arog@rn-v1e5a21.uwaterloo.ca) |
| 20:11.22 | End | I got an email saying login was disabled, and go use the beta1.blahblah site that netcurse just linked |
| 20:11.22 | Arog | hey |
| 20:11.27 | Gryphen | Didn't you get the email Kirkburn? |
| 20:11.33 | Wobin | [4. LookingForGroup] [Rubius]: because it's world linked now, everyone can see everyone's chat, that's why they're doing it |
| 20:11.34 | Wobin | [4. LookingForGroup] [Noctemar]: Because everyone can hear you, and we're all attention whores. |
| 20:11.34 | Arog | e-mail for what? |
| 20:11.35 | End | -I- got the mail |
| 20:11.42 | Gryphen | The email about Curse |
| 20:11.46 | Arog | curse? |
| 20:11.59 | Gryphen | Not your Arog |
| 20:12.01 | Gryphen | you* |
| 20:12.04 | Arog | fine |
| 20:12.05 | Arog | :( |
| 20:12.09 | Gryphen | You are joining the middle of the convo lol |
| 20:12.10 | End | I'll paste it, just to spam |
| 20:12.16 | End | In an attempt to rise above the challenges that are brought to us on every Blizzard patch day, we will be disabling all accounts on Curse Gaming for the duration of the two-day patch period. To componsate for author's not being able to update their files due to this, we have setup a different page temporarily which will allow you to login and update your files should the need arrise |
| 20:12.19 | Kirkburn | Ooh, I did ... didn't get around to reading it :P /me slaps myself |
| 20:12.28 | Wobin | Arog: Remember, it's Down the Road, not Across the Street =P |
| 20:12.32 | End | and then they say go and log into the beta server |
| 20:12.35 | Arog | alright wobin |
| 20:12.36 | Arog | lol |
| 20:13.03 | Beladona | hold on a second |
| 20:13.25 | Beladona | so... Curse disables logins to ease patch day traffic, but puts another page up? |
| 20:13.36 | Industrial | yes only for authors |
| 20:13.40 | Industrial | like 7% of the community |
| 20:13.41 | Industrial | haha |
| 20:13.41 | Industrial | :P |
| 20:13.45 | Beladona | ahh ok |
| 20:13.48 | End | yeah |
| 20:13.52 | Cide | authors can log in and update |
| 20:13.55 | Beladona | I was gonna say, it seems anti-productive |
| 20:13.57 | Cide | the rest can download from the normal site |
| 20:14.03 | End | Authors are shpecial |
| 20:14.09 | Arog | all of you are authors? |
| 20:14.12 | End | yes |
| 20:14.15 | Arog | :O |
| 20:14.18 | Industrial | most |
| 20:14.20 | End | well, many of us :P |
| 20:14.29 | Arog | I should make something |
| 20:14.33 | Arog | but I do not know xml |
| 20:14.37 | Beladona | some are wowinterface exclusive though |
| 20:14.40 | Beladona | like me |
| 20:14.41 | End | you don't -have- to use xml |
| 20:14.41 | Industrial | to hell with xml |
| 20:14.42 | Industrial | lua ftw |
| 20:14.43 | Industrial | :D |
| 20:14.47 | Arog | I dont know lua either |
| 20:14.50 | Arog | but I know C#, VB |
| 20:14.51 | End | well |
| 20:14.52 | Arog | HTML |
| 20:14.54 | Arog | ASP |
| 20:14.54 | Industrial | well its very easy to learn |
| 20:15.00 | End | not knowing lua will slow you down a bit |
| 20:15.01 | Industrial | ASP? what kind of asp? |
| 20:15.04 | Cairenn | the majority of the folks in this channel are UI mod authors, since the channel is intended for them ;) |
| 20:15.05 | End | the snake type |
| 20:15.06 | Arog | .NET and Oriignal |
| 20:15.09 | Arog | ASP VBScript |
| 20:15.11 | Industrial | ah |
| 20:15.12 | End | you know, the type that bites you |
| 20:15.16 | Industrial | no .net here |
| 20:15.17 | Industrial | :< |
| 20:15.19 | Arog | ah |
| 20:15.20 | Arog | .NET is nice |
| 20:15.23 | Arog | with C# |
| 20:15.23 | Industrial | uhuh |
| 20:15.26 | Industrial | yeah |
| 20:15.35 | Beladona | if you can learn html, you should be able to handle xml |
| 20:15.41 | Industrial | well if you know C# then lua is pissss easy |
| 20:15.41 | End | well |
| 20:15.52 | Arog | is lua OO or subprocedural |
| 20:16.00 | Arog | or neither |
| 20:16.06 | End | you can make lua do OO |
| 20:16.07 | Wobin | You can pseudoOO lua |
| 20:16.13 | End | but it tends not to be |
| 20:16.19 | Industrial | funny dead men hanging on the wall :D |
| 20:16.22 | *** part/#wowi-lounge wereHamster (n=tomc@gw.ptr-62-65-141-13.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 20:16.35 | Industrial | <-- bow weapon sadist |
| 20:16.36 | Industrial | :P |
| 20:16.42 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Ratbert_C1 (n=kcummins@proxy-ce4.disney.com) |
| 20:16.48 | End | that weapon is cool |
| 20:17.15 | Arog | Cairenn guess I am the only non author here :( |
| 20:17.28 | End | not only |
| 20:17.34 | Cairenn | Arog: not the only one, but in the definite minority |
| 20:17.35 | netcurse | i m not an author :) |
| 20:17.37 | End | Cairenn isn't a addon authoer either :P |
| 20:17.40 | Cairenn | doesn't mean you aren't welcome |
| 20:17.50 | Cairenn | End: yes, actually, I am ... just not for WoW |
| 20:17.50 | End | (ack, kan't spel) |
| 20:17.53 | Arog | lol |
| 20:17.55 | End | o_O |
| 20:17.57 | End | oh |
| 20:17.59 | End | right, eq? |
| 20:18.03 | End | or something like that? |
| 20:18.06 | Cairenn | aye |
| 20:18.16 | Arog | people still play eq? |
| 20:18.35 | Wobin | hm |
| 20:18.48 | Wobin | I don't know if I want to bother trying to log back in |
| 20:19.44 | Osagasu | I don't suppose there's a macro floating around to mute the LFG channel? |
| 20:19.47 | Osagasu | >< |
| 20:19.51 | Arog | you can close i |
| 20:19.53 | Arog | it |
| 20:19.57 | Arog | er |
| 20:19.59 | Arog | ./leave 4 |
| 20:20.00 | Cairenn | sure Osagasu ... /leave [number] |
| 20:20.18 | Osagasu | Yeah, but I have to unlock my chat settings to get it back later. :P |
| 20:20.18 | End | or you can be in it, but not show it ;p |
| 20:20.30 | End | (if you right click on the chat tab) |
| 20:20.36 | Arog | Osagasu you just have to type /join Lookingforgroup |
| 20:20.38 | End | not sure how that is any better |
| 20:20.54 | Osagasu | Addons can still pick it up |
| 20:20.56 | End | but, it is an alternative way going about fixing your problem. :P |
| 20:20.57 | Arog | and I dont think you have to unlock it |
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| 20:22.12 | Guillotine | well... this patch isn't doing too badly for my mods |
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| 20:22.52 | End | yeah, this patch is less desctructive than others |
| 20:23.09 | End | s/desctructive/destructive/ |
| 20:23.29 | Guillotine | last patch (or was it 2 patches ago?) was the worst... the one where they switched the way scaling works |
| 20:24.19 | End | that one was pretty painful |
| 20:24.26 | End | and it was 2 patches ago I think |
| 20:24.42 | Kebinusan | tip buddy seems even more broken now *cry |
| 20:25.00 | Kebinusan | love patch day |
| 20:25.06 | Kebinusan | getting 10 minute item lag in game |
| 20:25.37 | Guillotine | whats wrong with tip buddy? |
| 20:25.39 | Kaso | What's up with tipbuddy? it was working on PTR. |
| 20:25.57 | Guillotine | what is it doing incorrectly? |
| 20:26.17 | Kebinusan | it seems you get the tooltip at the cursor |
| 20:26.20 | Legorol | rofl: i just noticed what CG says at the top: Users Online: too many |
| 20:26.22 | Kebinusan | and locked in the bottom right corner |
| 20:26.35 | AnduinLothar | :P scroll up |
| 20:26.36 | Guillotine | legorol: heh. ya. CG is doing suprisingly well this patch day |
| 20:27.18 | AnduinLothar | YAY BAG SPACE! |
| 20:27.21 | End | Legorol: yeah, that's great |
| 20:27.41 | Guillotine | kebinusan- made sure a parent is declared in the xml file. I havn't looked at how slouken did the Screenattachment thing, but he said he may do it where it was when no parent was attached... |
| 20:27.46 | AnduinLothar | now what am i gonna do with these 4 extra key spots.. |
| 20:27.55 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: skeleton keys? |
| 20:27.57 | Guillotine | pet rocks for me |
| 20:28.04 | Guillotine | oh. in your key ring |
| 20:28.11 | Guillotine | thought you meant the places cleared up by moving your keys |
| 20:28.22 | Guillotine | Legorol: I'm pretty sure skeleton keys don't go on the keyring |
| 20:28.30 | Legorol | is the live build same as the ptr? |
| 20:28.47 | AnduinLothar | i have the 'Skeleton Key' you mean BS ones? |
| 20:28.47 | End | consumable keys don't go in the keyring |
| 20:28.49 | Beladona | hmm |
| 20:28.51 | Legorol | 5184 i beleive |
| 20:29.01 | Legorol | i mean 5284 |
| 20:29.03 | Beladona | I think I need to put links to the full source on the Comparison Detail pages on wdn |
| 20:29.17 | Legorol | Beladona: you are missing a few test builds :p |
| 20:29.18 | AnduinLothar | actually if BS keys did go in the key ring i might actually use them.. |
| 20:29.24 | Beladona | like? |
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| 20:29.46 | ToastTheif | I love patch day |
| 20:29.46 | Legorol | 5428 :p |
| 20:29.51 | Legorol | ehm.. |
| 20:29.52 | Legorol | wait |
| 20:29.57 | Beladona | lol |
| 20:29.58 | Guillotine | I agree. I'm really dissapointed that they didn't put the maraudon sceptar or the UBRS/onyxia necklaces on the key ring |
| 20:30.14 | Beladona | 5428 was release only wasn't it? it was just internal changes that didn't make it to test |
| 20:30.15 | Legorol | yeah |
| 20:30.18 | ToastTheif | Ace seems to be having a few problems with 1.11 |
| 20:30.20 | Legorol | 5428 was on test |
| 20:30.25 | Guillotine | I didn't expect blacksmith keys to go on it, but those 3 things I did |
| 20:30.36 | Legorol | EU test realm is still up |
| 20:30.38 | Legorol | and it's 5428 |
| 20:30.42 | End | well, technically they -are- keys |
| 20:30.49 | End | considering they manipulate locked objects |
| 20:30.52 | End | but...I dunno |
| 20:31.04 | AnduinLothar | they are mjic, they dont manipulate anythign |
| 20:31.05 | End | I guess they decided it has to rememble a key in physical form |
| 20:31.54 | End | actually, that's true the ony key -doesn't- manipulate a locked object |
| 20:32.03 | End | and I'm not sure about the ubrs come to think of it? |
| 20:32.09 | Guillotine | ubrs actually opens the door |
| 20:32.12 | End | do you actually have to right click on the door? |
| 20:32.15 | Guillotine | yup |
| 20:32.18 | End | ok |
| 20:32.31 | Guillotine | while it doesn't make sence lore wise, I think it still should have been done |
| 20:32.40 | Guillotine | but then, theres lots of stuff that doesn't make sence realistically |
| 20:32.46 | Guillotine | mounts appearing from nowhere anyone? |
| 20:32.47 | AnduinLothar | what're u talkign about |
| 20:32.57 | AnduinLothar | ubrs u just have to stand next to the door |
| 20:33.01 | Guillotine | really? |
| 20:33.16 | AnduinLothar | ony you have to click |
| 20:33.32 | End | well |
| 20:33.39 | Guillotine | pretty sure its the other way around... or you'd only need 1 person from the raid to be attuned for onyxia to open the door |
| 20:33.55 | End | there is a a huge thing in the way to get into onyxia's cave |
| 20:34.00 | Kaso | you dont need the key to open the oynxia gates im pretty sure. |
| 20:34.05 | Guillotine | I dunno. I've always been summoned inside the giant gate |
| 20:34.09 | Kaso | you just need it to get through th portal |
| 20:34.13 | Guillotine | ah |
| 20:34.17 | End | I'm pretty sure the key prevents you from entering the...yeah, the portal |
| 20:34.25 | End | s/prevents/allows/ |
| 20:34.34 | End | s/from/to/ |
| 20:34.41 | End | godammit |
| 20:35.40 | Guillotine | well, I still would have liked it if those 3 things had gone on the keyring. even if they don't manipulate anything, they are essentially keys in practice |
| 20:36.32 | Wobin | End: I'm loving FullError, btw |
| 20:36.46 | End | Wobin: thanks, that's good to hear :) |
| 20:36.48 | Guillotine | fullerror? linky linky? |
| 20:36.54 | Beladona | I am gonna need the test realm files for 5428 then. I know there probably aren't any changes, but I like to make sure |
| 20:36.59 | End | http://endif.cjb.net/misc/FullError-0.2-beta1.zip |
| 20:37.09 | End | I'll upload it to wowi and other sites before too long |
| 20:37.30 | End | it's basically an error frame...that shows the callstack |
| 20:38.49 | Wobin | Although, I'd like to be able to bring the errorframe back up again |
| 20:39.13 | End | yeah, I'd like that too, which is a good sign for that feature being added ;p |
| 20:39.25 | Wobin | woohoo! =) |
| 20:39.56 | End | old screenshot btw, for those who haven't seen it: http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fullerror1yb.jpg |
| 20:40.11 | zenzelezz | what on earth possesses a mage to roll need on Breastplate of Valor? |
| 20:40.42 | Cairenn | and down go the Blizz forums, kaboom! |
| 20:40.48 | End | kablooey! |
| 20:41.01 | AnduinLothar | Kil'jaeden jsut bllew up too |
| 20:42.37 | AnduinLothar | lol, no more "This Character Already Exists" instead it just cancils log otu w/o the pop up :P |
| 20:44.47 | Guillotine | rofl |
| 20:45.01 | Guillotine | yay for blizz geniousness |
| 20:45.19 | Industrial | oh arse |
| 20:45.29 | Industrial | How do I get my suit when I already have it in HL2? |
| 20:45.34 | Industrial | stupid intro scenes |
| 20:45.34 | Guillotine | so... did anyone else try dling the patch from CG? its exiting the blizz dler after it finishes without updated it... |
| 20:45.55 | Guillotine | press escape to skip an intro scene |
| 20:46.15 | Industrial | nono i impulse 101'ed |
| 20:46.18 | Industrial | to play with guards |
| 20:46.23 | Industrial | so i have the suit so i cant pull it on |
| 20:46.32 | Industrial | ah wait Im at chapter 2, i can start a new game there |
| 20:46.52 | Guillotine | you're not talking about WoW, are you? |
| 20:46.56 | Industrial | hl2 |
| 20:46.56 | Industrial | P |
| 20:46.58 | Industrial | :P |
| 20:47.01 | Guillotine | heh |
| 20:47.28 | Industrial | 170fps |
| 20:47.30 | Industrial | :o |
| 20:48.01 | Industrial | my laptop used to do 20 |
| 20:48.06 | Industrial | new pc, wanted to try it :-) |
| 20:48.26 | Guillotine | ARGHHH. my blizz dler says its finished and is exiting, but its not updating >_< |
| 20:48.31 | Industrial | developer 1;fps_max 999;cl_showfps 1 |
| 20:51.55 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@josephpartners.com) |
| 20:55.02 | Guillotine | so this dl from curse included "WoW-1.10.2.5302-to-1.11.0.5428-enUS-downloader.exe" and "wow-patch1.11.zip.part". anyone know what to do with it? when I do it outside of the WoW folder, it finishes, says its comlete, but then doesn't ever open up the update program. If I do it in the WoW folder, it tries to re-dl it |
| 20:55.08 | Kirkburn | Mikk1 has gone and made the wiki all weird :P |
| 20:55.50 | netcurse | guillotine their is a trick |
| 20:55.51 | netcurse | let me see |
| 20:56.11 | Guillotine | hey, its net :D heya |
| 20:56.17 | netcurse | hello :) |
| 20:59.06 | Kirkburn | Industrial, played Ep1? |
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| 21:07.16 | Kirkburn | It's gone so quiet! :( |
| 21:07.25 | Cairenn | YELL |
| 21:08.03 | Wobin | okay, if you insist |
| 21:10.18 | Wobin | End: Also, could FullError show the line number of the actual error? at the moment, it's only showing the error text (and it's uncopypastable) =( |
| 21:10.47 | End | the first copyable line is the line the error occured on |
| 21:10.49 | End | or it should be |
| 21:10.50 | End | :X |
| 21:10.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | Damage of General Rajaxx has been lowered. |
| 21:11.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | THANK GOD |
| 21:12.25 | JoshBorke | ( Cairenn ): what is the link to the downloader again? |
| 21:12.31 | Cairenn | http://wow.allakhazam.com/clstr11/file.pl?file=wow-patch-1.10.2.5302-1.11.0.5428.zip |
| 21:12.52 | Cairenn | requires premium membership though |
| 21:13.43 | Guillotine | wow. this patch must be freakin big. it says "Sorry, the installer was unable to start up. you may be out of hard drive space". I mean, hell, I only have 207 gigs unused... |
| 21:13.52 | End | lol |
| 21:14.20 | JoshBorke | ah |
| 21:14.23 | zenzelezz | on the Windows partition? |
| 21:14.23 | netcurse | Cairenn why linking alla when their is tons of free link all over? |
| 21:14.29 | Kirkburn | Omg, no more Top of the Pops! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5099894.stm |
| 21:14.36 | Guillotine | zenzelezz: this compuer isn't partitioned |
| 21:14.38 | netcurse | especially a website owned by ige |
| 21:14.55 | zenzelezz | wonder if it's like the 2GB thing before, that some file operations just aren't aware of more |
| 21:15.23 | Guillotine | net: it isn't technically owned by IGE. its just owned by the same people as IGE... |
| 21:15.40 | Kirkburn | Let us not go into this again |
| 21:15.42 | netcurse | ya right ok :) i won t start with this:) |
| 21:15.47 | AnduinLothar | oh nice... it now says how many of an item you recieved |
| 21:15.57 | End | AnduinLothar: yes, but does it work properly? |
| 21:16.00 | Guillotine | anduin: lol. yah. someone didn't read the patch notes? |
| 21:16.10 | AnduinLothar | You recieve item [Symbol of Kings]x20. |
| 21:16.22 | AnduinLothar | i read the patch notes, didn't see that in there |
| 21:17.20 | End | the issue is that it was miscalculating because it was just looking at stack size (mostly) |
| 21:18.17 | Cairenn | netcurse: to answer your question: http://www.allakhazam.com/news/sdetail7293.html |
| 21:18.38 | Cairenn | and no, we are NOT owned by IGE and I'm bloody well sick to death of this gd conversation |
| 21:18.41 | Cairenn | get your facts right |
| 21:18.51 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 21:18.58 | netcurse | ya right :) |
| 21:19.44 | JoshBorke | bah for world PvP in EPL |
| 21:20.08 | zenzelezz | thankfully I solved that problem by rolling this warrior on a PvE server |
| 21:21.44 | JoshBorke | hopefully i can log in and find myself dead |
| 21:21.48 | JoshBorke | and maybe be able to move around |
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| 21:25.27 | zinor | Hello all |
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| 21:26.05 | netcurse | hi zinor |
| 21:26.22 | Guillotine | heya ;) |
| 21:28.11 | Legorol | how big was the patch download for those people who let the background downloader get the 130 Mb or so already? |
| 21:28.39 | Gryphen | 150 |
| 21:28.57 | Legorol | really? 150 more on top of the 130? |
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| 21:29.05 | Gryphen | total |
| 21:29.12 | Legorol | ah |
| 21:29.16 | Legorol | so you only needed to get 20? |
| 21:29.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 21:29.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | something changed in the EULA |
| 21:29.38 | zinor | I like their new patching system |
| 21:29.44 | Legorol | it's good, yes |
| 21:29.46 | zinor | except that its hard for people to download patches w/o it now |
| 21:30.16 | zenzelezz | 150*0.83=124.5... sounds about right with people saying they were "stuck" on 83% earlier today |
| 21:30.48 | Guillotine | the blizz downloader doesn't work at all for me :( |
| 21:30.59 | Guillotine | so I'm trying to dl it from someplace else like usual |
| 21:31.14 | Guillotine | but nobody has one that works... |
| 21:31.18 | Guillotine | at least not on my computer |
| 21:31.20 | AnduinLothar | buy a mac :P |
| 21:31.30 | zinor | Guillotine, this nibbits.com site seems to have them |
| 21:31.33 | Mikk1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.36 | zinor | i havent tried it myself, since wow wont run on vista |
| 21:31.36 | Mikk1 | damn. not @ |
| 21:31.42 | zinor | err for me at least |
| 21:34.51 | Kirkburn | Guillotine, http://www.wowwiki.com/Mirrors |
| 21:35.06 | Kirkburn | If you find/want a mirror link - go there ^ |
| 21:35.23 | Kirkburn | (and add it) |
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| 21:45.37 | Guillotine | nice... tnx kirkburn |
| 21:46.02 | Kirkburn | ;) |
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| 21:46.08 | Buttink | hello |
| 21:46.18 | End | Helo |
| 21:46.39 | Legorol | Does anyone know if/how is it possible for an AddOn to utilise CTRA's channel for message sending? |
| 21:46.50 | Legorol | I vaguely remember Cide saying something about it.. |
| 21:46.51 | Gryphen | you can use any channel |
| 21:46.53 | AnduinLothar | yes.. |
| 21:46.54 | Gryphen | :o |
| 21:46.57 | End | I know if, but not how :P |
| 21:47.08 | End | and by how, I don't know how to find out what the ctra channel is |
| 21:47.16 | End | (obviously some variable though) |
| 21:47.22 | End | (or something similar) |
| 21:47.23 | AnduinLothar | but why do you want to |
| 21:47.27 | Legorol | i'm not talking about just simply sending stuff over that channel |
| 21:47.44 | Legorol | i meant making use of CTRA's features for passing large amounts of data, so it schedules it and encodes it for you |
| 21:47.49 | End | oh |
| 21:47.57 | End | well....possibly |
| 21:48.10 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: because no matter how much we'd like, not everyone has Sky |
| 21:48.13 | Legorol | but everyone has CTRA |
| 21:48.14 | Buttink | what do u mean by features?? |
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| 21:48.26 | Legorol | CTRA's message passing routines are smart |
| 21:48.35 | AnduinLothar | it's embeddable |
| 21:48.37 | Legorol | it chops up large messages etc. so you don't get disconnected |
| 21:48.47 | Buttink | use there fuctions lol |
| 21:48.55 | Legorol | Buttink: that's exactly what i was asking about |
| 21:48.57 | Legorol | how do i do that |
| 21:49.13 | Guillotine | oh. you just said the channel ;) you'd have to look at the code to use the functions |
| 21:49.19 | Buttink | wait let me see if i can find um i had to use a few myself for my mod |
| 21:49.28 | Legorol | sorry, i was ambiguous Guillotine, you are right |
| 21:49.36 | Guillotine | most addons I've seen just hook the command in order to find out which channel CTRA is using. that may be easier anyway |
| 21:49.52 | Legorol | that's not enough for me :( |
| 21:49.57 | Guillotine | unless you plan on your addon actually communicating with CTRA like Ora? |
| 21:50.00 | Legorol | i need to send large amount of data over to the entire raid |
| 21:50.06 | Guillotine | ah |
| 21:50.09 | Legorol | no i don't want to communicate with CTRA |
| 21:50.10 | Buttink | look under CT_RaidAssist.lua its most likley in there |
| 21:50.14 | End | I have nothing to suggest other than an exploratory mission to the CENTER OF THE SUN |
| 21:50.20 | End | that'll fix your problems |
| 21:50.21 | Legorol | Buttink: i figured that much :) |
| 21:50.31 | Legorol | End: indeed |
| 21:50.32 | End | exploring the center of the sun always fixes -my- problems at least |
| 21:50.44 | Legorol | because once you have done so, you don't have any more problems? |
| 21:50.46 | Buttink | i hate exploring the center of the sun |
| 21:51.00 | End | I didn't say I didnt have any |
| 21:51.05 | End | I said it fixed them |
| 21:51.23 | Legorol | does it fix them, or you just don't care about them anymore after the trip |
| 21:51.32 | Cide | Legorol: sorry, back |
| 21:51.41 | Legorol | hi Cide, you are the man i need |
| 21:51.54 | Legorol | is it currently possible for an AddOn to get CTRA to send data on its behalf? |
| 21:52.08 | End | well, it's not about caring |
| 21:52.10 | netcurse | 16K users on curse and still up /flex |
| 21:52.17 | Legorol | i'd like to pass large quantities of data, and i need stuff like disconnect protection, |
| 21:52.22 | Legorol | encoding of "s" and so on |
| 21:52.25 | Cide | you can send data, yes... receiving *FROM* ctra is rather tricky right now |
| 21:52.28 | Legorol | afaik, CTRA can do that, but how do i go about it |
| 21:52.43 | Cide | (which I'm changing in the new version, but that's not due yet) |
| 21:52.51 | Cide | to send, just use CT_RA_AddMessage(message) |
| 21:52.54 | Legorol | ok, if you don't have time right now, can you give me some pointers? |
| 21:53.02 | End | I like to shit on this shlippery shlope ...hic! |
| 21:53.13 | Legorol | CTRA_AddMessage does what, does it just add the message to a queue of things to be sent out? |
| 21:53.21 | Cide | yes |
| 21:53.26 | Cide | and encodes the stuff you mentioned |
| 21:53.28 | Legorol | ok |
| 21:53.34 | Cide | flood protection, split, etc |
| 21:53.36 | Legorol | what method are you using to prevent disconnect? |
| 21:53.50 | Cide | just a simple limit + flush every X seconds |
| 21:53.52 | Legorol | in practice, what's the largest message size you send out, and at what frequence |
| 21:53.55 | End | (oh, I know what it encodes) |
| 21:53.58 | Legorol | s/frequence/frequency/ |
| 21:54.08 | Cide | um, 255 chars I believe |
| 21:54.29 | Buttink | GAR why doesnt <OnLoad> Funcname(arg1); </OnLoad> always say that my function Funcname(time) ALWAYS said time doesnt exist what am i doing wrong lol |
| 21:54.30 | Legorol | do you properly buffer it if CTRA_AddMessage is getting called more often then it can send stuff out? |
| 21:54.47 | End | what is time? |
| 21:54.59 | Cide | Legorol: yes |
| 21:54.59 | Mikk1 | does onload pass a time parameter? o.O |
| 21:55.01 | Buttink | time elapsed |
| 21:55.14 | Legorol | thanks Cide |
| 21:55.15 | End | OnLoad cares about time? |
| 21:55.16 | Mikk1 | Thought only onupdate did that |
| 21:55.18 | Buttink | im trying to follow this wowwiki walkthough but its confusing me |
| 21:55.23 | End | that's what I thought too |
| 21:55.23 | Legorol | any pointers to how i'd go about receiving it? |
| 21:55.31 | Legorol | even if tricky... i am happy to poke in the code |
| 21:55.34 | End | and it'd be time since what? |
| 21:55.41 | Mikk1 | Buttink: figure out what's wrong and edit the page please =) |
| 21:55.41 | Legorol | Buttink: link |
| 21:55.43 | Buttink | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_OnUpdate_Correctly |
| 21:55.45 | Cide | Legorol: it sends at most 4 messages per second, it checks the queue every .1 sec, if there's more than one message, they're clumped together |
| 21:55.54 | Mikk1 | Yeah, that's particularily about OnUpdate |
| 21:55.58 | Legorol | Cide: that's clever |
| 21:55.59 | Mikk1 | OnLoad doesn't work liek that |
| 21:56.07 | Mikk1 | All events do different things |
| 21:56.09 | Buttink | then how do i use OnLoad |
| 21:56.16 | End | OnLoad isn't even listed on that patch |
| 21:56.18 | Legorol | Buttink: ok, here is the thing |
| 21:56.21 | Buttink | NO NO not ONLoad i meant onupdate |
| 21:56.25 | Legorol | arg1 is a global variable, NOT an argument |
| 21:56.37 | End | s/patch/page/ |
| 21:56.40 | Mikk1 | can be passed in as an argument though, but it's slightly silly =) |
| 21:56.40 | End | <_< >_> |
| 21:56.42 | Legorol | it gets set to the time that has elapsed since the last time OnUpdate was called |
| 21:56.50 | Buttink | yah |
| 21:57.17 | Legorol | in the XML, you need to have something like: |
| 21:57.21 | Buttink | and my actualy function is "function CT_Heal_UpdateButtons(time) blah blah blah insert code here" |
| 21:57.21 | Cide | Legorol: what you want to do |
| 21:57.24 | Legorol | <OnUpdate> funcname(arg1) </OnUpdate> |
| 21:57.32 | Cide | Legorol: is to hook CT_RA_ParseMessage(playerName, message) |
| 21:57.37 | Legorol | Cide: i have one large block of data i'd like to send out to all raid members |
| 21:57.38 | Cide | playerName is the nick of the person who sent it |
| 21:57.41 | Mikk1 | End: http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_Handlers |
| 21:57.46 | Legorol | with flood/size protection and encoding |
| 21:57.53 | End | Mikk1: yes, I know about -that- page |
| 21:58.00 | End | but the page -he- linked doesn't mention it |
| 21:58.04 | Mikk1 | ah =) |
| 21:58.04 | Mikk1 | no |
| 21:58.12 | Legorol | Buttink: once your XML looks like that, then in your Lua, you want |
| 21:58.22 | Legorol | function funcname(anyvariablenameyoulike) ... end |
| 21:58.28 | Buttink | wiat wait wait here let me link |
| 21:58.34 | Legorol | inside the function, you can use the anyvariablenameyoulike |
| 21:58.47 | Mikk1 | fwiw, i wouldn't use "time" =P |
| 21:58.50 | Buttink | - <Scripts> |
| 21:58.50 | Buttink | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.50 | Buttink | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.52 | Cide | Legorol: CT_RA_ParseMessage performs the check to make sure that the playerName is in the raid (rather stupid I know, but that's how it is right now) |
| 21:58.58 | Buttink | thats my script IGNORE th e- |
| 21:58.58 | Mikk1 | Buttink: you're not passing in arg1 |
| 21:59.26 | Buttink | wiat wait i had it in there lol |
| 21:59.34 | Legorol | Mikk1: you don't have to |
| 21:59.38 | Mikk1 | i know |
| 21:59.43 | Legorol | there are two alternative ways of doing it, at least |
| 21:59.44 | Mikk1 | but if he wants it named "time"; he does |
| 21:59.54 | Legorol | that's correct |
| 22:00.00 | Buttink | ok ok i fixed that lol now i get new error |
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| 22:00.20 | Legorol | Cide: thanks |
| 22:00.32 | Cide | Legorol: so pseudocode would be.. newCT_RA_ParseMessage(playerName, message) oldCT_RA_ParseMessage(playerName, message); if ( playerNameIsInRaid(playerName ) then -- Do stuff with playerName and/or message end end |
| 22:00.58 | End | ~whaleslap Mikk1 |
| 22:01.04 | purl | ACTION beats Mikk1 upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:01.05 | Legorol | Cide, that seems easy enough, but |
| 22:01.16 | Legorol | in that pseudocode, at what point does message get decoded? |
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| 22:01.24 | Cide | before that code is called |
| 22:01.29 | Cide | message is the decoded message |
| 22:01.34 | Legorol | ok cool |
| 22:01.43 | Cide | one thing worth mentioning |
| 22:01.47 | Buttink | whats this concatenate local "nameofmyvar"??? |
| 22:01.51 | Cide | you can't send one message that is longer than 255 chars |
| 22:01.57 | Legorol | so if i'm sending my custom message, wouldn't i want to hook it so i execute before the old CTRAParseMesage? |
| 22:02.03 | Legorol | so i can swallow the message |
| 22:02.10 | Legorol | and only call ParseMessage if it's not one of mine |
| 22:02.11 | Cide | true, that'd be better |
| 22:02.19 | maia | 1.11 dev question: anyone noticed problems with PlaySoundFile()? No matter which addon, they all don't play sounds anymore. |
| 22:02.37 | Legorol | Buttink: ok, Lua basics 101 |
| 22:02.50 | Legorol | function MyFunc(name) ... end |
| 22:03.12 | Legorol | defines a function where inside the function, you refer to the argument with the name "name" |
| 22:03.17 | Legorol | gah, name is a bad idea |
| 22:03.20 | Legorol | why don't i just pastebin an example |
| 22:07.54 | Legorol | hm, pastebin misbehaving |
| 22:08.04 | Legorol | ok Buttink: on the XML side, you put arg1 in the bracket |
| 22:08.21 | Legorol | on the Lua side, in the bracket you put a name, any name, by which you want to refer to the time inside your function |
| 22:08.22 | Buttink | oh i got that to work |
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| 22:08.58 | Buttink | now im just having problems with functions in diffrent files and vars and all this crap (shitty code lol) |
| 22:09.25 | Legorol | in your .toc file, you have to list the lua file that defines the function before the xml file that uses it |
| 22:09.54 | Buttink | yah i think i have my config listed befor my main i am aobut to check |
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| 22:12.09 | Buttink | NOOB QUESTION about xml..... i can load ANY lua as long as i <Script file = "name" /> right... |
| 22:12.26 | End | you can list the lua files in the .toc file as well |
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| 22:13.02 | End | and...there might be restrictions on where they can reside, but I'm just guessing about that... |
| 22:13.06 | Buttink | so if i have file1.xml file2.lua and file3.lua file1.xml cna use funcs from BOTH as long as they are listed in the toc |
| 22:13.21 | Buttink | and loaded in the right order |
| 22:13.30 | End | yes... |
| 22:13.34 | End | as long as the functions are global |
| 22:13.43 | Buttink | ok sweet |
| 22:13.46 | End | and you don't try to use them before the file has been loaded |
| 22:14.09 | Legorol | Buttink: avoid using the <Script> tag in the XML |
| 22:14.16 | Legorol | just list the Lua files before the XML in the toc |
| 22:14.30 | Legorol | the <Script> tag is considered deprecated |
| 22:15.22 | Buttink | k |
| 22:15.27 | Buttink | lets see if this stuff works.. |
| 22:15.30 | Industrial | < Kirkburn> Industrial, played Ep1? |
| 22:15.31 | Industrial | nop |
| 22:16.13 | Legorol | bummer!! |
| 22:16.29 | Legorol | i forgot they are bringing down EU authentication servers.. |
| 22:16.39 | Legorol | and you are supposed to stay logged in to the game if you want to carry on playing |
| 22:16.44 | Legorol | and stupid me, i logged out for a moment |
| 22:16.45 | Legorol | aaaaaaaaaaah |
| 22:16.53 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 22:16.56 | Legorol | no more WoW tonight for me :( even though maintenance isn't for 3 hours |
| 22:17.13 | Buttink | well will mess with this later (no errors HELLZ YAH) going to ZG .... dont relay need anything though |
| 22:17.51 | MoonWolf | night everybody |
| 22:18.49 | Industrial | Cairenn|afk: besides ME, what is 'indie'? |
| 22:20.16 | Cairenn | Industrial: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=indie |
| 22:20.32 | End | ~dict indie |
| 22:20.48 | Industrial | k |
| 22:23.02 | Iriel | indie being "Independent" |
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| 22:23.12 | Iriel | in case there was any doubt |
| 22:23.21 | Industrial | Cairenn: love the cartoon gunna read all of it |
| 22:23.25 | Industrial | Iriel: nay |
| 22:23.25 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:24.10 | Industrial | 'no poo on the pee-pee' how brilliant |
| 22:24.10 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:26.39 | JoshBorke | well that's swell, raid leader sends a new message now :-/ |
| 22:27.01 | Mikk1 | Legorol: Great time for you to help out fix the sodding Widget API updates in WoWBench then =) |
| 22:32.15 | Cairenn | OMG! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1329362959167995041 |
| 22:32.26 | Guillotine | watching... |
| 22:33.46 | Guillotine | lol |
| 22:34.16 | Dolby-wowi | I'll have to watch it when i get home. no sound at this comp at work |
| 22:34.17 | JoshBorke | erm, i now have 2 tooltips with tipbuddy? |
| 22:34.32 | Industrial | ehahaha |
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| 22:38.51 | Mikk1 | hihi |
| 22:38.59 | Mikk1 | I'm half of a mind to show that to my gf |
| 22:39.03 | Mikk1 | She's playing Civ4 right now =P |
| 22:39.29 | Mikk1 | Been going "Just one more turn and then I'll go to bed" for .. oh.. closer to an hour now =) |
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| 22:42.31 | JoshBorke | hello tain |
| 22:42.41 | Guillotine | wow... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3258368851377796496 |
| 22:42.44 | Guillotine | thats pretty dang cool |
| 22:43.43 | JoshBorke | i like CTRA's raid leader highlighting better |
| 22:45.12 | AnduinLothar | ha, we bugged out a rune, wont die, infinite runes and stones |
| 22:46.20 | zenzelezz | rune? |
| 22:46.30 | Guillotine | is this on live servers or as QA? |
| 22:46.56 | AnduinLothar | shard on live |
| 22:47.38 | Guillotine | heh. nice |
| 22:49.12 | Guillotine | how'd you bug it out? I could use all those runes and stones... :P |
| 22:49.30 | zespri_work | what is rune? |
| 22:50.19 | Guillotine | the things you turn in for the invasion rewards I believe |
| 22:50.35 | zespri_work | oh ic |
| 22:53.05 | zespri_work | Iriel, so how dod you single out these ones form all the items in the sticky post? |
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| 23:02.08 | JoshBorke | they need an option to open bags+keyring |
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| 23:08.54 | Guillotine | anybody know the API command to open a keyring? can't find it on wowwiki |
| 23:09.21 | Kirov | I haven't exported the .xml yet |
| 23:10.58 | Gryphen | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=details&vd=11105428&ct=lcompare&rid=34 |
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| 23:20.18 | Cairenn | hey Qzot |
| 23:20.21 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 23:20.35 | Qzot | Question for you: Which patch put AHs in all capitol cities. |
| 23:20.45 | Qzot | s/./?/ |
| 23:20.57 | Cairenn | Qzot: I wasn't mad, I was just saying, why not save yourself time and effort and save the list the spam |
| 23:21.12 | Qzot | I had no reason to think you were mad. |
| 23:21.26 | Cairenn | okay, just the way you responded, thought perhaps you took my comment wrong |
| 23:21.27 | Qzot | Did my response make you wonder? |
| 23:21.33 | Qzot | Nope. Not at all. |
| 23:21.35 | Cairenn | k |
| 23:21.45 | Qzot | I thought it was a good suggestion. |
| 23:22.01 | JoshBorke | ( Qzot ): i think 1.7 or 1.8 |
| 23:22.05 | Qzot | Eww. |
| 23:22.11 | Arog | ah bac |
| 23:22.19 | Cairenn | 1.9 |
| 23:22.24 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2781 |
| 23:22.25 | Qzot | That sounds more right. imho. |
| 23:22.31 | Qzot | Excellent. Thanks! |
| 23:22.38 | Cairenn | "With the Gates of Ahn'Qiraj, new Armor Models, Linked Auction Houses, Multiple Battleground Queues and much more, the eagerly awaited 1.9 Content Patch is now live!" |
| 23:23.40 | Qzot | 1.9 went live Jan 3?? o.O |
| 23:23.51 | Cairenn | yup |
| 23:24.00 | Qzot | Wow. |
| 23:24.11 | Cairenn | ? |
| 23:24.18 | Qzot | Time flies. |
| 23:24.28 | Cairenn | that it does |
| 23:24.49 | Qzot | http://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2006/06/synthetic_world.html#comments has a musing about whether that patch caused a change in people's behavior. |
| 23:25.18 | Qzot | PlayOn actually has enough data to quantify that into an analysis, but needed to know the transition date. |
| 23:25.25 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 23:25.37 | Cairenn | well, now you know |
| 23:25.43 | Qzot | I do. |
| 23:25.46 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 23:25.52 | Qzot | And a few more hours of work, and I'll have an answer. |
| 23:26.38 | zenzelezz | Qzot: tell us the result when you get it |
| 23:29.07 | Arog | do most of you play on pvp or pve servers |
| 23:29.40 | maia | anyone having problems with PlaySoundFile() on 1.11? It does return true for me, but it doesnt play anything. |
| 23:29.42 | Cairenn | pve by preference |
| 23:30.34 | Arog | I am trying to find a good PvE EST server |
| 23:30.36 | Arog | :( no luck |
| 23:30.57 | Tain | Often I feel more like I play PvMyComputer |
| 23:31.16 | AnduinLothar | anyone have any idea why a multiline editbox would truncate and add ... ? |
| 23:31.59 | Kaelten | anyone point me to some documentation on the button changes? |
| 23:33.38 | Cairenn | you mean beyond what was in the changes threads? |
| 23:33.44 | Mikk1 | Anything in particular you're wondering about? |
| 23:33.56 | Cairenn | or what can be found on wdn? |
| 23:33.56 | AnduinLothar | GetHistoryLines(), GetMaxBytes() == 0 |
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| 23:35.25 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : What about GetMaxLetters() ? |
| 23:35.58 | AnduinLothar | was 0 till i set it to an obscenely large number, no effect |
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| 23:45.14 | zenzelezz | 80085 ? |
| 23:45.29 | AnduinLothar | 100000 |
| 23:47.11 | AnduinLothar | lemme see how many chars it fits. |
| 23:48.21 | AnduinLothar | 128 lines.. |
| 23:48.40 | AnduinLothar | all copy fine, but the text trunkates |
| 23:49.36 | Guillotine | woohoo! found a bug |
| 23:50.01 | zenzelezz | squash it |
| 23:50.11 | Guillotine | has to do with the [Conjured water]X4 thing. if you do that more than once, it only shows the "X Y" in the first cast |
| 23:50.21 | AnduinLothar | 2205 vissible characters... but at least 16 invisible per line |
| 23:50.54 | Qzot | Heh. I never realized just *how* unused Darnassus is. |
| 23:51.07 | Iriel | Guillotine : Is it related to the stack overflow / non-overflow difference |
| 23:51.21 | Iriel | Qzot : It's a total ghost town most of the time |
| 23:51.37 | Arog | do you think there is any guild that will recruit a level 1 dwarf priest (who promises to get to 60 within 1.5 weeks)? |
| 23:51.39 | Qzot | Apparently. |
| 23:51.41 | Arog | a raiding guild |
| 23:51.44 | Arog | not any casual guild |
| 23:52.09 | Qzot | No. What would be the advantage to you, anyway? |
| 23:52.27 | Arog | Qzot I rule? |
| 23:52.38 | Iriel | Why not just get to level 60 in 1.5 weeks THEN ask? |
| 23:52.43 | Qzot | Exactly. |
| 23:53.02 | Qzot | Not many individuals can get a toon to 60 in 1.5 weeks, anyway. |
| 23:54.17 | zenzelezz | I doubt they would anyway... you may be 60, but you can hardly farm raid-worthy equipment in the process if you only spend 1.5 weeks |
| 23:54.34 | Qzot | Yup. |
| 23:54.48 | Arog | well they can take me through MC or whatever |
| 23:54.52 | Qzot | Most require at least tier 0 equipment. |
| 23:54.57 | Arog | hmm |
| 23:55.04 | Guillotine | not on my server |
| 23:55.14 | Arog | what does your server require |
| 23:55.17 | zenzelezz | Arog: they could... but why would they, when there are likely to be better-equipped priests around? :) |
| 23:55.18 | Qzot | If you are aggressive enough to level a toon in 1.5 weeks ... |
| 23:55.20 | Guillotine | I'm only level 51 dwarf priest and I have plenty of invites waiting for raiding guilds |
| 23:55.22 | Arog | zenz :( |
| 23:55.28 | Arog | Guillotine what server |
| 23:55.32 | Qzot | ... then you wouldn't want to join any guild that would accept you in that condition. |
| 23:55.32 | Guillotine | for anything else they require good gear, but not dwarf priests |
| 23:55.33 | Arog | I want to join a pve EST server |
| 23:55.42 | Guillotine | Arog: its PST. Draenor |
| 23:55.45 | Arog | damn |
| 23:55.48 | Arog | I was on a PST server |
| 23:55.51 | Arog | raid times screwed me |
| 23:55.53 | Guillotine | Arog: There seems to be lots of mid-day raiding though |
| 23:55.57 | Guillotine | much more than evening |
| 23:56.04 | Guillotine | so it would be evening for you |
| 23:56.12 | Arog | really? |
| 23:56.18 | Qzot | Aren't you planning to be on pretty much 24/7 anyways? |
| 23:56.21 | Guillotine | yah. kind of sucks for me, but... |
| 23:56.23 | Arog | qzot just for 2 weeks |
| 23:56.28 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 23:56.36 | Arog | My exams/semester finishes on the 11th of august |
| 23:56.40 | Arog | work starts from 1st september |
| 23:56.43 | Arog | 2 weeks to go crazy |
| 23:58.05 | Guillotine | Arog: my server isn't very hardcore though. Only a couple guilds have downed AQ and those ones probably wouldn't let in someone without tier 1 gear |
| 23:58.13 | End | urk, I'm at 99% of the patch download |
| 23:58.16 | Guillotine | the ones that let you in no matter what are mostly working on rag |
| 23:58.25 | Kirkburn | Finally! It is done ... can someone check this over please =) http://test.clearfont.co.uk/index.html |
| 23:59.10 | Guillotine | Arog: though I'd still guess you'd get more raids your time on a EST server |
| 23:59.15 | Guillotine | Arog: but mine does have some |
| 23:59.50 | Arog | Guillotine i am not looking for that hardcore |
