| 00:03.20 | Wobin | [08:02-2233] ChatEdit\SeaHooks\SeaHooks.lua:503: WorldFrame doesn't have a "OnClick" script |
| 00:03.20 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.32 | KarlKFI | orly |
| 00:03.35 | KarlKFI | silly me |
| 00:03.50 | KarlKFI | that the only error? |
| 00:04.00 | Wobin | aye so far |
| 00:04.22 | Wobin | but then again, I'd need the click event to start trying, yeah? |
| 00:04.34 | KarlKFI | aye |
| 00:04.58 | KarlKFI | just drop that in a rl |
| 00:05.06 | KarlKFI | in and* rl |
| 00:07.26 | Wobin | shiftclick yeah? |
| 00:07.30 | KarlKFI | y |
| 00:07.31 | KarlKFI | ya |
| 00:07.32 | Wobin | [08:07-2234] [string "ChatEditScrollFrame:OnShow"]:2: attempt to index a nil value |
| 00:07.32 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.43 | KarlKFI | cute |
| 00:08.50 | Kirkburn | Lol, I point you to this page ... http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Ouro_the_Sandworm&action=history ... see all the red text? It's ALL vandalism |
| 00:09.22 | KarlKFI | fix it did you? |
| 00:10.01 | Kirkburn | Every single one is an alt |
| 00:10.10 | Kirkburn | Yeah :P |
| 00:10.14 | KarlKFI | gj |
| 00:10.40 | Wobin | Can't seem to get it to activate, K |
| 00:11.35 | KarlKFI | mmk try makign sure the main chat window is on top and do /script ChatEdit:Show(1) |
| 00:12.01 | Wobin | [08:11-2235] ChatEdit\ChatEdit.lua:28: attempt to concatenate local `id' (a table value) |
| 00:12.22 | KarlKFI | oh lol |
| 00:12.32 | KarlKFI | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.34 | KarlKFI | silly me |
| 00:14.21 | Wobin | no response |
| 00:14.30 | KarlKFI | orly.. |
| 00:14.37 | KarlKFI | that is very odd |
| 00:15.35 | KarlKFI | ok then, guess it's prolly a frame size or layer thing I'll have to debug myself. Thanks for satisfying my curiosity. |
| 00:15.59 | Wobin | np =) |
| 00:16.48 | KarlKFI | never know with those silly scrollframes and editboxes usign SetAllPoints |
| 00:17.08 | KarlKFI | could be any number of things |
| 00:20.42 | Industrial | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1129709282896231096&q=wow\ |
| 00:21.24 | ckknight | what's the API function to get info from the TOC? (1.11) |
| 00:22.22 | Wobin | Industrial: Whazzat? I can't watch google video |
| 00:24.21 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
| 00:31.19 | Mikk1 | hmwah Lua and widget set? check out LuaCheia |
| 00:31.28 | Mikk1 | it has windowing support |
| 00:34.15 | Industrial | Wobin: badgers badgers |
| 00:34.15 | Industrial | :P |
| 00:34.24 | Wobin | Mushroom? |
| 00:34.26 | Tain | Assessing the Relationship between Software Assertions and Code Quality: An Empirical Investigation |
| 00:34.26 | Tain | ftp://ftp.research.microsoft.com/pub/tr/TR-2006-54.pdf |
| 00:34.39 | Tain | The bottom line is use assert()! |
| 00:35.35 | Kirkburn | African snaaaake! |
| 00:40.29 | KarlKFI | family time, adios |
| 00:44.32 | SilverShadow | Curse already has it in the works. ;-) |
| 00:44.46 | SilverShadow | Not sure how we'll end up doing it.. but the idea is there. |
| 00:44.53 | SilverShadow | mt |
| 00:44.59 | Wobin | hehe =) |
| 00:52.38 | Kirkburn | Why would anyone want to talk to us? :P |
| 00:54.14 | Kirkburn | I haven't decided how to approach my exam 2moro ... forewarn them that I haven't been able to revise (and don't care), or not ... hmmm |
| 00:56.04 | Miravlix | You got all night, give it a try, you can't have learned nothing all year |
| 00:56.29 | SilverShadow | heh.. just relax and it will come to you. don't panic or you won't remember amything |
| 00:56.49 | cladhaire | that only works if you knew somethign to begin with |
| 00:56.51 | cladhaire | *gasp* |
| 00:57.18 | Kirkburn | See, cladhaire has touched on an important point ... my italian isn't good enough to understand the lectures :) |
| 00:58.10 | Kirkburn | I'm actually planning on repeating the year back in Bristol anyway |
| 00:59.58 | Kirkburn | Not being able to understand italian, the strain of being away for such a long time, and other stuff have been giving me panic attacks, so recently I've just given up caring. It's the only way I stay happy =) Oh, and chatting here helps :P ... at least you lot speak english ... |
| 01:00.20 | Wobin | Ni Hao! |
| 01:00.33 | Kirkburn | Perhaps I should have prefaced that with "Welcome to my world...." |
| 01:00.51 | Wobin | Fah, that'd be Konnichiwa! |
| 01:00.56 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 01:01.02 | Wobin | Well |
| 01:01.07 | Wobin | I'm heading back to Oz in a month |
| 01:01.19 | Wobin | I've pretty much given up on the language learning too =\ |
| 01:01.21 | Tain | Screw pressure punch! |
| 01:01.39 | Kirkburn | Vulcan neck pinch! |
| 01:01.54 | Tain | Form blazing sword! |
| 01:02.32 | Kirkburn | Lol, you sounds like a WoW forum poster |
| 01:02.45 | Wobin | And I'll be the HEAD |
| 01:02.48 | Kirkburn | I'm quitting! I've quit! ... So why are you still here? |
| 01:03.04 | Wobin | emoquit |
| 01:03.21 | Kirkburn | God will protect me as I quit this devil-game |
| 01:04.19 | Kirkburn | (hah, for those who are on wowwiki, I suggest visiting my user page for the _real_ 'welcome' text |
| 01:04.58 | Wobin | ".. You may call me... Toby" |
| 01:05.02 | Mikk1 | I was gonna say "huh? anyone can view it!" but.. erm.. not everyone will get the humor perhaps =P |
| 01:05.26 | Mikk1 | (and that'll be Kirkburns _talk_ page, btw) |
| 01:05.28 | Kirkburn | No-one ever does =( |
| 01:05.55 | Mikk1 | I love the Reference Desk -> bin rewrite especially |
| 01:06.05 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 01:06.27 | Miravlix | I'm still here because I paid 100$ for it and haave 4 months left |
| 01:07.04 | Miravlix | Might as well use it until it cancel. |
| 01:07.10 | Tain | Take advantage of it! |
| 01:07.20 | Tain | Some other places $100 only gets you 30 minutes. |
| 01:07.23 | Kirkburn | So, er, yeah ... these exams are most likely gonna be like going through the motions. "Oh what, I've failed/done extremely badly? Goodbye!" ... though, as odd as this may sound, I've never failed an exam before |
| 01:08.12 | Mikk1 | Pff, years abroad are made for slacking. If you haven't realized that by now, it's time you did =) |
| 01:08.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Patch will probably be this tuesday? |
| 01:08.40 | Mikk1 | What's the worst they could do... send you home? =) |
| 01:08.59 | Tain | The worst? Uh.. prison in a foreign country? |
| 01:09.04 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 01:09.37 | Kirkburn | I should def be leaving in about 3 weeks, if not earlier. There's a dept. meeting at my home uni to discuss my 'situation', no idea what'll come of it |
| 01:10.45 | Kirkburn | See, Mikk1, I did think this year would be for slacking ... then I realised how wrong I was :/ |
| 01:10.59 | Mikk1 | (Fwiw, I know what you mean... I suck at failing, too. I'm trying to get better at it though.) |
| 01:11.15 | Kirkburn | (Doesn't mean I'll be leaving this wonderful channel of course ;) |
| 01:11.56 | Mikk1 | Frankly, sucking too bad at failing is bad for you. |
| 01:12.17 | Kirkburn | Better to get the experience over and done with, as people keep telling me ... |
| 01:12.40 | Tain | They always say that about the first time, it gets easier after that. |
| 01:13.35 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 01:14.16 | Kirkburn | They also keep telling me it "only 3 more weeks" ... 3 bloody weeks :( |
| 01:16.32 | Kirkburn | Enough being depressing! Since 1.11 has been so delayed, do you think 1.12 might come sooner? |
| 01:16.47 | Wobin | yeah |
| 01:16.59 | Wobin | They' cancelled 1.11 |
| 01:17.05 | Wobin | And are bringing it in after 1.12 |
| 01:17.11 | Kirkburn | (oh, as an aside, after 1.12, there are unlikely to be any more 'class review' patches) |
| 01:17.30 | Kirkburn | Did you forget your tin-foil hat again? :P |
| 01:19.28 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=MentalPo@host-70-45-81-92.onelinkpr.net) |
| 01:19.53 | Wobin | Goddamnit |
| 01:20.01 | Wobin | They're reading my mind with their space rays again |
| 01:20.07 | Wobin | Thanks for the reminder. |
| 01:22.44 | MentalPower | erm... question... any of you having issues visiting our websites? (norganna.org, auctioneeraddon.com, enchantrix.org, gathereraddon.com) |
| 01:23.30 | Kirkburn | aye |
| 01:23.37 | Kirkburn | I get nothing |
| 01:23.44 | zenzelezz | "Waiting for..." |
| 01:24.06 | MentalPower | wonderful... |
| 01:24.15 | MentalPower | juat wonderful |
| 01:24.29 | MentalPower | s/juat/just/ |
| 01:31.50 | Kirkburn | Nooooo .... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5093350.stm |
| 01:35.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge [Wobin] (n=Wobin@221.221.24.30) |
| 01:54.39 | ScytheBlade1 | When is the patch coming out? This tuesday? |
| 01:56.20 | Cairenn | we don't know yet |
| 01:56.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I was afraid of |
| 01:56.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I REALLY NEED THE KEY BAG. -.- |
| 01:56.46 | End | so do I |
| 01:56.51 | End | my bank is completely full again |
| 01:58.21 | Miravlix | How does people without a key quest get the key ring? |
| 01:58.30 | ScytheBlade1 | No quest |
| 01:58.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It just appears |
| 01:58.36 | Miravlix | No |
| 01:58.48 | Miravlix | The original text was that it apper after you complete a key quest |
| 01:58.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 01:58.56 | Miravlix | Has this changed? |
| 01:59.00 | ScytheBlade1 | It just appears as soon as you get your first key |
| 01:59.12 | Miravlix | But old timers don't get a key |
| 01:59.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Key quest = gnomer key, scholo key |
| 01:59.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah they do by default |
| 01:59.21 | ScytheBlade1 | It just appears |
| 01:59.24 | Miravlix | Thye have a key, so no key ring for them until they find a quest |
| 01:59.28 | End | When I copied my char over, it just had a key ring |
| 01:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Trust me on this: the key ring "just appears" if you already have a key, and it appears once you get your first ;) |
| 02:00.07 | Miravlix | I don't have any reason to trust you |
| 02:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Then don't ^^ |
| 02:00.21 | zenzelezz | sometimes I swear you want to fight Mira |
| 02:00.43 | Miravlix | he isn't providing any thing |
| 02:00.50 | Miravlix | he is just claiming this and that |
| 02:00.52 | Tain | You gotta fight for your right to party. |
| 02:01.30 | zenzelezz | I believe the test-realm changes tread or whatever it was Kirkburn linked elaborated on it |
| 02:01.37 | End | Well, my existing character, when copied to the test server, already had it |
| 02:01.42 | zenzelezz | and I'm pretty sure Blizzard wouldn't be this forgetful |
| 02:01.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Same. |
| 02:01.45 | Miravlix | Since they do special things on copying, I hope End's experince will be the same in game |
| 02:02.25 | Kirkburn | Key rings just appear when needed |
| 02:02.29 | End | in any case, I hadn't heard about a key ring quest until now |
| 02:02.34 | Tain | They're like angels. |
| 02:02.43 | Miravlix | There is no key ring quest |
| 02:02.52 | zenzelezz | no |
| 02:03.38 | End | in any case |
| 02:03.39 | End | http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/7787923.htm |
| 02:03.49 | End | the original announcement just said you automatically get it |
| 02:04.14 | Miravlix | But the original text said you get the key ring when you get a key, nothing about it working on people that got keys before the patch, so I'm not falling into the sillyness of beleiving crap and then pissing all our the forum and everyone else you can because what you thought Blizzard said and what they really said is two entirely different things |
| 02:04.25 | Kirkburn | As soon as you get your first key, it's supposed to appear |
| 02:04.28 | End | read the second post, Miravlix |
| 02:04.37 | End | " So what happens to those of us who already have all the keys?" |
| 02:04.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Q u o t e: |
| 02:04.39 | ScytheBlade1 | So what happens to those of us who already have all the keys? |
| 02:04.39 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll recieve an appropriate level keyring. |
| 02:04.40 | End | You'll recieve an appropriate level keyring. |
| 02:04.50 | Kirkburn | spammer ... |
| 02:04.54 | Wobin | *facepalm |
| 02:04.55 | Wobin | * |
| 02:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I try ^^ |
| 02:05.02 | Miravlix | Okay, new information then and verification |
| 02:05.08 | Wobin | Miravlix: Why don't you go look for yourself |
| 02:05.13 | Wobin | IF you don't trust anyone |
| 02:05.27 | Wobin | Why should anyone have to prove themselves? |
| 02:05.36 | Miravlix | But I will never ever trust what people think Blizzard is doing. It's setting yourself up for disappointment. |
| 02:05.37 | Wobin | Go! Find out for yourself! |
| 02:05.47 | Wobin | Validate your beliefs! |
| 02:05.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm with Wobin |
| 02:05.55 | Kirkburn | Look at the bunnies! All playful and cute! ... Ohh, don't look at those two, they're being naughty |
| 02:06.06 | Wobin | Kirkburn: But they're happy bunnies! |
| 02:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Quick, go prove cached copies of blue posts and an IRC channel wrong! |
| 02:06.10 | Wobin | Really... really happy |
| 02:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | k I'm done. |
| 02:06.17 | Kirkburn | *very* happy bunnies |
| 02:06.26 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 02:07.39 | Kirkburn | I recommend checking bluetracker frequently ... it's how I manage to appear so knowledgeable :P |
| 02:07.54 | Miravlix | I don't see why ppl shouldn't provide some facts when they claim stuff |
| 02:08.00 | End | yea, that's what I try to do |
| 02:08.14 | Miravlix | I know this is the internet, but still having facts isn't a crime |
| 02:08.29 | Kirkburn | Who needs facts when you've got hearsay and rumour and conspiracy and bunnies |
| 02:08.33 | ScytheBlade1 | If this was irc.dal.net/teen |
| 02:08.36 | End | Miravlix, I can't give more than what Blizzard has announced... |
| 02:08.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Then yeah, facts would be nice |
| 02:08.59 | Kirkburn | Dare I ask what that is ... |
| 02:09.14 | Mikk1 | It's full of feds. |
| 02:09.27 | Wobin | Oh, you don't have a CIA bot |
| 02:09.31 | End | feds? I thought they were 14 year olds! |
| 02:09.31 | Wobin | you're missing out =) |
| 02:09.41 | End | (I kid! I've never been there) |
| 02:10.11 | Mikk1 | Yowza. Sleep attack. |
| 02:10.33 | End | :O |
| 02:10.39 | Kirkburn | I wish ... I have severe insomnia :( |
| 02:11.14 | Kirkburn | Going to bed with sunlight streaming in, not easy |
| 02:11.24 | Wobin | Sorry kirk |
| 02:11.27 | Wobin | But without facts |
| 02:11.33 | Wobin | I can't trust you that there's sunlight |
| 02:11.36 | Kirkburn | Photos! Photos! |
| 02:11.36 | End | lol |
| 02:12.00 | zenzelezz | pfft, photos can be manipulated |
| 02:12.14 | End | yes, clearly, we can't trust you at all |
| 02:12.17 | Kirkburn | Ah, sunlight is a giant conspiracy made up by the Queen to get people to buy suncare products |
| 02:12.27 | End | the existance of sunlight cannot be proven because evidence can be falsified |
| 02:12.43 | Kirkburn | She's got shares in GlaxoSmithklineBeechamBootsPfizer |
| 02:13.16 | Wobin | Photoshop, duh |
| 02:13.21 | Kirkburn | I just proved SilverShadow didn't exist. Look at that ... |
| 02:13.51 | Kirkburn | She's got shares in Photoshop too? The web of intruige gets bigger! |
| 02:15.25 | Kirkburn | s/intruige/intrigue/ |
| 02:15.35 | Kirkburn | (finally bothered to look up how to spell it) |
| 02:18.41 | Wobin | ~spell intrigue |
| 02:18.53 | Wobin | ~spell intruigue |
| 02:18.59 | Wobin | tada |
| 02:19.04 | Wobin | ~botsnack |
| 02:19.04 | purl | thanks, Wobin |
| 02:19.13 | End | "may be spelled correctly"? that's not very definite. |
| 02:19.28 | Cairenn | ummm, purl is wrong ... "intrigue" is not spelled "correctly" |
| 02:19.29 | Wobin | (intriguer's? o.O) |
| 02:19.45 | Wobin | "Correctly" is spelled 'Correctly" =P |
| 02:19.49 | Cairenn | correct |
| 02:19.57 | End | lol |
| 02:20.14 | Cairenn | and "intrigue" is spelled "intrigue" |
| 02:20.47 | Kirkburn | And so do all the bunnies |
| 02:21.16 | Wobin | bunnies! Bunnies! It must be BUNNIES! |
| 02:21.20 | Wobin | (or maybe midgets) |
| 02:21.37 | End | :( |
| 02:21.38 | Kirkburn | Dwarf rabbits? |
| 02:21.41 | End | midget bunnies? |
| 02:21.53 | Kirkburn | small fluffy-things? |
| 02:21.56 | Wobin | I've got a theory |
| 02:22.04 | Kirkburn | Well done |
| 02:22.25 | Kirkburn | I've got a tomato, but do you hear me showing off? |
| 02:22.33 | End | yes |
| 02:22.38 | Kirkburn | Damn right |
| 02:22.42 | Kirkburn | So what's this theory? |
| 02:23.42 | Kirkburn | Something about the Oryctolagus cuniculus? |
| 02:24.00 | End | I don't think Wobin is going to share his theory. |
| 02:24.10 | End | thinks we'll steal it probably |
| 02:24.11 | Wobin | =\ |
| 02:24.21 | Wobin | Pop culture reference =( |
| 02:24.22 | Kirkburn | It must only be a hypothesis :( |
| 02:24.26 | End | which is justifiable, because I'd defnitely steal it |
| 02:24.28 | Wobin | You need to watch more Buffy |
| 02:24.34 | End | oh |
| 02:24.38 | Kirkburn | I would, but I have a life |
| 02:24.46 | End | I would, but I don't have a life |
| 02:24.47 | Wobin | Sure Kirkburn |
| 02:24.56 | Wobin | I believe you. Thousands wouldn't, but I believe you |
| 02:25.01 | Wobin | (at least without proof) |
| 02:25.05 | End | lol |
| 02:25.06 | Kirkburn | End, you'd probably star in an episode :P |
| 02:25.14 | End | Kirkburn: :O |
| 02:25.30 | Kirkburn | (because you're dead ... b'dum chum) |
| 02:25.41 | End | :O |
| 02:25.47 | Kirkburn | :X |
| 02:25.57 | Kirkburn | Your turn |
| 02:26.17 | End | pff, I don't have to play these silly games. |
| 02:26.21 | Kirkburn | I win! |
| 02:26.22 | Miravlix | what a mess, my music library is so poor it was hard being allowed to play it |
| 02:26.52 | Kirkburn | At least I got Wobin |
| 02:27.24 | Kirkburn | You mean your musical choices aren't good? |
| 02:27.55 | Miravlix | I downloaded iTunes just to improve the situation, but I just haven't had time to register and start selecting music. |
| 02:28.32 | Kirkburn | What on earth made you think iTunes could help? *makes sign of the cross* |
| 02:28.42 | Tain | I happen to like iTunes, even though a lot of people give it a bad rap. |
| 02:28.47 | Miravlix | It's an online music store. |
| 02:28.53 | Cairenn | I like iTunes just fine |
| 02:29.09 | Kirkburn | Ah, I meant quicktime, that's the devil |
| 02:29.09 | Tain | But! You have to let iTunes manage your music. If you do you can do some great stuff with it. |
| 02:29.22 | Kirkburn | iTunes is just its amiable bedfellow |
| 02:29.31 | Miravlix | It's playing http://www.live365.com/stations/miravlix just fine. |
| 02:30.03 | Kirkburn | Playing The Beatles? |
| 02:30.15 | Miravlix | Stars on 45 mix |
| 02:30.16 | Tain | What's wrong with The Beatles? |
| 02:30.20 | zenzelezz | I don't mind QuickTime... I don't prefer it over most others, but it's not as horrible as RealPlayer |
| 02:30.31 | Kirkburn | Nothing, I was about to shower him in kudos, whatever that is |
| 02:30.49 | Tain | Kudos.. that's those chocolate covered granola bars |
| 02:30.50 | Kirkburn | I've never seen quicktime run well on a PC |
| 02:31.09 | Miravlix | Mac's is PC's too |
| 02:31.25 | Miravlix | But if your never seen a Mac... |
| 02:31.29 | Kirkburn | Much better to destroy any sign of QT and RP, and get the 'alternative' versions |
| 02:31.37 | zenzelezz | run "well" how? I have no issues with it |
| 02:32.01 | Kirkburn | I always got weird flashing graphical issues with the program |
| 02:32.09 | Kirkburn | (even if it played stuff adequately) |
| 02:33.01 | Tain | No, Mac is not a PC. PC is the current socially accepted term for a Windows system. |
| 02:33.10 | Kirkburn | It was never as bad as the mess that is Realplayer, though |
| 02:33.12 | Tain | When people say Mac and PC, people know what they're referencing. |
| 02:33.22 | Kirkburn | I will never ever ever ever ever ever ever install it again. Ever. |
| 02:33.41 | Miravlix | I like Mac's they run Linux |
| 02:33.57 | Kirkburn | Lets not get techincal here ... I should really start saying Windows instead of PC |
| 02:34.22 | Kirkburn | Esp now Macs are invading our technology platform :P |
| 02:34.53 | Miravlix | They should have taken the Linux Kernel and put there GUI ontop |
| 02:35.03 | Miravlix | They would get to own the market. |
| 02:35.25 | Kirkburn | I suppose me saying "Let's not get technical here" in this channel is just pure irony ;) |
| 02:35.32 | Miravlix | Linux + Apples GUI that would be a real competitor to Windows |
| 02:35.55 | End | I'm not sure how that'd be any different |
| 02:36.06 | Miravlix | Though I would prolly still run X-Windows, it's technically supperior, just hard as hell to install |
| 02:36.31 | Tain | Linux was never an option for the Mac OS. |
| 02:36.36 | Miravlix | Apples ease of use |
| 02:37.02 | Miravlix | Thats just because they are limited in there world view. |
| 02:37.09 | Kirkburn | If I here more people complain about the new security stuff in Vista on a forum, I'm going scream =) |
| 02:37.12 | Tain | No. |
| 02:37.15 | Tain | It's because of the GPL. |
| 02:37.18 | Miravlix | Giving Linux a real super easy to use GUI |
| 02:37.37 | Kirkburn | s/here/hear/ |
| 02:37.57 | Miravlix | That wouldn't be a problem software is seperate things under Unix |
| 02:37.57 | Miravlix | They wouldn't need to go GPL for the GUI or anything else |
| 02:38.04 | Miravlix | just there driver and other kernel updates |
| 02:38.09 | Tain | That's completely and utterly irrelevant. |
| 02:38.16 | Miravlix | The linux kernel is less than 1% of a full system |
| 02:39.22 | Tain | Ah damnit, I almost started arguing with Miravlix. I forgot. I have a wall to bang my head against instead. |
| 02:39.23 | Miravlix | No it's not, they wouldn't get in trouble with GPL at all. It's a none existing issue for them to use the Linux Kernel, but they still live in the world of mirror shades and smoke where they want to keep things hidden |
| 02:39.46 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I might have to introduce Myxomatosis, there are so many bunnies around |
| 02:40.30 | Kirkburn | In fact, I'll go to bed |
| 02:40.36 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn |
| 02:40.45 | End | cya Kirkburn |
| 02:41.27 | Kirkburn | Nightie nightie! ('pyajama, pyjama' is apparently the correct response to that) |
| 02:43.20 | Wobin | hehe |
| 02:43.31 | Wobin | "Tip: Being polite while in a group with others will get you invited back!" |
| 02:43.52 | Miravlix | Nope |
| 02:44.01 | Wobin | BlizzardSocialBehaviour101 |
| 02:44.05 | End | Dear sirs, I must ninja this. |
| 02:51.09 | Miravlix | Nice guys finish last, also in groups. |
| 02:51.43 | Wobin | ... |
| 02:51.53 | Wobin | Remind me never to group with Miravlix |
| 02:53.46 | Miravlix | There is a reason I know why nice guys finish last |
| 02:53.54 | Miravlix | I've been fucked over for millions. |
| 02:55.35 | Wobin | which is all the more reason to continue the trend |
| 02:55.47 | Wobin | Cause like.. y'know.. bettering society is for noobs |
| 02:55.57 | Wobin | I mean in the future, no one will give a shit about anyone else |
| 02:56.01 | Wobin | and we'll all be happy |
| 02:56.06 | Wobin | Except the ones that aren't |
| 02:56.09 | Wobin | and they're noobs |
| 02:56.20 | Miravlix | my AO guild cost me 50 million and got me absolutely nothing in return. |
| 02:57.45 | Tain | 50 million in AO? That's like.. heh what you lose when you take a piss. |
| 02:58.03 | Miravlix | Thats all the money I had after playing for 3 years |
| 02:58.32 | Miravlix | I spend most of my game time helping others, because all good deeds get rewarded... |
| 03:00.01 | Miravlix | I give things I get for free to guildies, so I don't make cash off finding some World drop |
| 03:01.05 | Wobin | And afterwards, they dumped you like last weeks trash? |
| 03:01.14 | Wobin | They snubbed your work? |
| 03:01.19 | Wobin | Ground you into the dust? |
| 03:01.23 | Wobin | Insulted your mother? |
| 03:01.40 | Miravlix | Sometimes I get mad and say no more, but the next morning and I look myself in the mirror I just can't go through with it. |
| 03:01.48 | Wobin | Did you expect them to shower you with cash? |
| 03:01.54 | Wobin | Send chocolates? |
| 03:02.00 | Wobin | ~dict altruism |
| 03:02.04 | Miravlix | Nothing |
| 03:02.34 | Wobin | altruism is it's own reward |
| 03:02.39 | Miravlix | I expecting them to be as kind as me to others. |
| 03:03.01 | Wobin | Be nice to others for the sake of being nice to others. |
| 03:03.05 | Miravlix | Naah, it aint |
| 03:03.13 | Wobin | That's cause you're not altruistic |
| 03:03.25 | Wobin | You're offering help in the hope of reward |
| 03:03.30 | Wobin | So you get disappointed |
| 03:03.33 | Miravlix | Nope |
| 03:04.06 | Miravlix | Being kind to selfish people |
| 03:04.12 | Miravlix | Is not it's own reward |
| 03:04.21 | Wobin | sure it is |
| 03:04.27 | ckknight | I'm gonna agree with Wobin |
| 03:04.29 | Miravlix | Being kind to kind people is it's own reward. |
| 03:04.34 | Wobin | no it's not |
| 03:04.41 | Wobin | cause they're being altruistic back to you |
| 03:05.01 | Miravlix | Your bringing happyness to the world and that happyness is getting shared with others. |
| 03:05.04 | Wobin | you're not understanding the concept of altruism |
| 03:05.14 | Tain | ~define emo |
| 03:05.16 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 03:05.16 | Miravlix | Selfish people keep everything to themself. |
| 03:05.27 | Wobin | yes. but that's not the point of altruism |
| 03:05.35 | ckknight | ~dict emo |
| 03:05.43 | Wobin | You help others for the sake of helping others |
| 03:05.49 | Wobin | Not for want of reciprocation |
| 03:06.02 | Wobin | Once you learn that, you end up much happier |
| 03:06.11 | ckknight | if you want reciprocation, then you should simply charge a price |
| 03:06.18 | Wobin | Exactly |
| 03:06.25 | Miravlix | I don't want anything in return perosnally |
| 03:06.29 | Wobin | Sure you do |
| 03:06.35 | Wobin | That's what you're complaining about |
| 03:06.39 | Miravlix | Nope |
| 03:06.43 | Wobin | <Miravlix> my AO guild cost me 50 million and got me absolutely nothing in return. |
| 03:07.04 | Miravlix | I wasn't talking about worthly rewards |
| 03:08.13 | Wobin | my AO guild cost me 50 million, and all I got was people saying "Wow, Mira gave me a Fubar of Super Power!" |
| 03:08.14 | Miravlix | I'm talking about knowing at the end of the day, you have done good. |
| 03:08.28 | Wobin | And hadn't you? |
| 03:08.36 | Miravlix | It had no effect. |
| 03:08.46 | Wobin | Offering other guildies items for free? |
| 03:08.56 | Wobin | did they just go and trash them on reciept? |
| 03:08.57 | Cairenn | I admit to not being particularly altuistic, because when I do something nice for someone, I do want them to do something for me ... I ask that they pass it along |
| 03:09.06 | Miravlix | These people wasn't kinder to other people, it didn't make them better people. |
| 03:09.23 | Wobin | perhaps they were too young to recognise the lesson =P |
| 03:09.36 | Miravlix | You give to one and they give to others and everyone is happier |
| 03:09.48 | Wobin | Cairenn: That's altruism |
| 03:09.53 | Miravlix | Yes, then because everyone is happier you could say I get a 'reward' of a kind |
| 03:09.54 | Cairenn | precisely what I ask for too, Miravlix |
| 03:10.14 | Cairenn | pass it on |
| 03:10.27 | Miravlix | But I'm not asking for them to give me bit for bit back in stuff |
| 03:10.34 | Cairenn | and when they don't, it disappoints me, too |
| 03:10.42 | ckknight | unless... |
| 03:10.45 | Wobin | I think one of the core concepts of altruism is the hope that your deed will instill the want to be altruistic in your recipient |
| 03:10.48 | Miravlix | I'm asking them to be kind to the world |
| 03:11.06 | Wobin | but then, there's also realism |
| 03:11.10 | Miravlix | But my example doesn't work. |
| 03:11.31 | Wobin | but that doesn't and shouldn't preclude you from remaining altruistic |
| 03:11.43 | Cairenn | it sounds like we are all saying the exact same thing, really |
| 03:11.49 | Wobin | We are =P |
| 03:11.56 | Wobin | I'm just kinda saying "Don't lose faith" =) |
| 03:12.03 | ckknight | 'cept some are more whiny about it than others |
| 03:12.04 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 03:12.08 | Wobin | Somewhere, someone will take the lesson to heart |
| 03:12.14 | ckknight | <cough>Cairenn</cough> |
| 03:12.28 | Wobin | And that's one more person who will help the world be a better place |
| 03:12.35 | Josh_Borke | erm, what happens when a tooltip runs out of lines and you try to call AddLine? |
| 03:12.45 | ckknight | Josh_Borke, kersplosion! |
| 03:12.47 | Miravlix | I create addons and donate my time for free, that works better in the long run. |
| 03:12.52 | End | Websplosion! |
| 03:13.10 | Cairenn | I am not! I am not whining ckknight! *pouts* |
| 03:13.16 | ckknight | actually, silent failure |
| 03:13.28 | Josh_Borke | hm, ok, i think that's what is happening to me |
| 03:13.31 | Wobin | End: Worst sound effect ever =) |
| 03:13.31 | ckknight | Cairenn, you hush now or you don't get McDonalds on the way back home |
| 03:13.46 | End | Wobin: liar! |
| 03:13.47 | Cairenn | awwwwww, you're always meen to me |
| 03:13.58 | Wobin | End: Okay 'Fap' is |
| 03:14.04 | End | =( |
| 03:14.07 | ckknight | fap fap fap |
| 03:14.11 | Miravlix | This was not about whining dammit, it was about whatever good deads get you anything |
| 03:14.11 | Wobin | See? |
| 03:14.24 | Wobin | Miravlix: And they do. It just takes time. |
| 03:14.30 | Miravlix | You do not get invited back into groups because your the one everyone else can walk over |
| 03:14.32 | Cairenn | Miravlix: we know, we're just teasing each other |
| 03:14.39 | ckknight | yea, you're less likely to get reincarnated as a dung beetle |
| 03:14.44 | Wobin | Miravlix: Politeness doesn't mean walkover |
| 03:14.56 | ckknight | tell that to Canada, Wobin |
| 03:15.00 | Wobin | eh |
| 03:15.08 | Josh_Borke | ... |
| 03:15.15 | Cairenn | ? |
| 03:15.19 | Cairenn | We aren't walked over |
| 03:15.21 | Wobin | Canada: Politeness doesn't mean walkover |
| 03:15.22 | Tain | Could be worse than a dung beetle, you could be reincarnated as a Druid |
| 03:15.30 | ckknight | lol, I know, Cairenn |
| 03:15.38 | ckknight | it was a joe |
| 03:15.40 | ckknight | joke* |
| 03:15.47 | Cairenn | ! no! no joes! |
| 03:15.48 | Miravlix | I was born a druid, not reincarnated. |
| 03:15.53 | ckknight | since Canada is a nation built on being polite |
| 03:16.09 | ckknight | it's in the constitution if you look closely |
| 03:16.23 | ckknight | y'know |
| 03:16.27 | ckknight | just kinda squint |
| 03:16.31 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:16.32 | ckknight | and turn your head |
| 03:16.32 | Tain | Be polite, eh |
| 03:16.48 | Cairenn | ~bonk Tain |
| 03:16.49 | purl | ACTION bonks Tain over the head |
| 03:17.03 | Wobin | And that's why everyone in the world likes Canadians over the Americans =) |
| 03:17.24 | Miravlix | Heh, we are fighting with the Canadians. :p |
| 03:17.35 | Miravlix | They are trying to steal our land |
| 03:17.37 | ckknight | who? |
| 03:17.49 | Miravlix | They sent a war ship to plant a flag and stuff |
| 03:17.50 | Cairenn | mmmr? |
| 03:17.53 | Miravlix | Some small island |
| 03:18.33 | ckknight | maple leaf ftw |
| 03:19.01 | Tain | Hey I'm still thinking of moving to Canadia |
| 03:19.06 | Miravlix | they are in deep diplomatic negotiations over it now I think. |
| 03:21.11 | Cairenn | good, negotiating is the better way of dealing with it |
| 03:21.32 | Josh_Borke | next question: any way to expand the number of lines on GameTooltip? |
| 03:21.41 | ckknight | yes, Josh_Borke |
| 03:21.42 | Tain | I really dont' think there needs to be diplomatic negotiations over me moving to Canada. I havent' been *that* bad. |
| 03:21.51 | Cairenn | ROFL Tain |
| 03:21.51 | ckknight | Josh_Borke, what are you trying to do, btw? |
| 03:22.14 | Josh_Borke | ( ckknight ): i'm rewriting nurfed DKP for my guild and there are some items that have over 30 lines in them when you add the DKP line |
| 03:22.21 | Josh_Borke | (add the DKP line to the tooltip) |
| 03:22.33 | ckknight | to GameTooltip proper? |
| 03:22.35 | Josh_Borke | yea |
| 03:22.39 | ckknight | err |
| 03:22.45 | ckknight | don't know about that |
| 03:22.56 | ckknight | you can to your own tooltip |
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| 03:23.59 | Josh_Borke | hrmph, ok, thanks ckknight :-) |
| 03:27.33 | Miravlix | Josh: Make your own tooltip not based on Blizzards? |
| 03:28.20 | Miravlix | though you could perhaps use Auctioneers double tooltip solution |
| 03:28.25 | Miravlix | Two x 30 lines |
| 03:38.29 | Cairenn | that'd be a solution |
| 03:41.04 | MentalPower | theres a new function in 1.11 that allows tooltips to dinamically expand past the 30 line boundary |
| 03:41.26 | MentalPower | although, if you want to use Auctioneer's EnhTooltip library I won't go against it :) |
| 03:41.31 | MentalPower | its on WoWI |
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| 04:10.53 | Josh_Borke | wow randomly decides what to truncate strings to? |
| 04:11.24 | Josh_Borke | i have 2 separate mods calculating the same numbers, yet 9.5121*5 = 47.560 and 47.561 :-( |
| 04:12.14 | End | that's up to the addon I guess |
| 04:12.30 | Josh_Borke | both addons are producing the 9.5121 |
| 04:12.53 | Josh_Borke | and both do *5 |
| 04:13.11 | Josh_Borke | they then do a string.format('%.3f',47.5605) and get those 2 results :-/ |
| 04:13.29 | Wobin | Phase of the moon |
| 04:13.56 | End | so...you're talking about how string.format does it? |
| 04:14.24 | Josh_Borke | yea, string.format :-) |
| 04:14.42 | End | ah, I understand now |
| 04:14.51 | End | well, understand what you are saying at least |
| 04:16.14 | Josh_Borke | sorry, you're right :-) |
| 04:26.39 | Josh_Borke | wow's string.format randomly decides what to truncate floats to? |
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| 05:11.25 | Wobin | woo release =) |
| 05:43.03 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 05:44.02 | chuckg | Anduin save me from the evil dropdown menu's of death. |
| 05:44.15 | AnduinLothar | makign them or using them? |
| 05:44.35 | chuckg | Make them. |
| 05:44.53 | chuckg | I have the weirdest bug with one of mine, well my only .. |
| 05:45.13 | AnduinLothar | they're reall ynot that bad once you get to know them, let them in your life, sleep with them and try to redesing them.... |
| 05:45.37 | chuckg | Well, I have a two-faced dropdown in my bed. |
| 05:45.50 | chuckg | It works 100% apporpriately in one scenario and breaks in another. |
| 05:46.07 | AnduinLothar | They've gotten quite friendly with me. Because they know if they step outa line i'll just 'fix' them until they do what I want. |
| 06:05.56 | Wobin | chuckg: Use Dewdrop |
| 06:06.10 | chuckg | I'd rather not include a whole library for a single dropdown menu with 3 entries. |
| 06:06.14 | chuckg | That's called overkill. |
| 06:06.27 | chuckg | Besides, I think dewdrop was just menu's in general? |
| 06:06.37 | Wobin | just dropdown menus |
| 06:06.38 | AnduinLothar | what's wrong with your menu |
| 06:06.58 | Wobin | That's why it's embedded =) |
| 06:07.14 | chuckg | Anduin: I have a small window that attaches itself to the craft/tradeskill. |
| 06:07.23 | chuckg | In it I have n editbox, two submit type buttons and a dropdown. |
| 06:07.46 | chuckg | It's loadon demand like the two craft/trade dealies, when you loadup any tradecraft ... nothing is wrong. |
| 06:07.47 | chuckg | It works great. |
| 06:07.59 | Wobin | until....? |
| 06:08.01 | chuckg | If you try to load a rafting window first (enchanting), it errors out on the dropdown. |
| 06:08.08 | chuckg | No until if you do a tradeskill first. |
| 06:08.13 | chuckg | None. Ever. |
| 06:08.27 | chuckg | ReloadUI and bring up a crafting and it all breaks down. |
| 06:08.34 | Wobin | eugh |
| 06:08.35 | chuckg | Which is weird cause it's the same code. :| |
| 06:08.46 | chuckg | There's nothing whatsoever different about it. |
| 06:08.59 | Wobin | =\ |
| 06:09.17 | AnduinLothar | when does it work and when doesn't it? |
| 06:09.56 | chuckg | It works fine if you load a tradeskill first. Even if you load a crafting window *after* a tradeskill it works fine. |
| 06:10.13 | chuckg | You reloadui and open a crafting window and the UIDropDown errors start rolling in. |
| 06:10.43 | chuckg | I can, of course, be more specific. |
| 06:11.16 | AnduinLothar | crafting ~= tradeskill? |
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| 06:11.40 | chuckg | Nope. |
| 06:11.47 | chuckg | Crafting and Tradeskill are two entirely different windows. |
| 06:11.58 | chuckg | Crafting handles enchanting (and perhaps pet training) and tradeskill handles everything else. |
| 06:12.36 | AnduinLothar | so how is your addon loading? |
| 06:13.23 | chuckg | ## LoadOnDemand: 1 |
| 06:13.23 | chuckg | ## LoadWith: Blizzard_TradeSkillUI, Blizzard_CraftUI |
| 06:13.51 | AnduinLothar | oic |
| 06:13.52 | chuckg | The dropdown has nothing to do with data in either frame, so it's not lack of uninitialized data. |
| 06:13.59 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:14.06 | AnduinLothar | and only the dropdown errors? |
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| 06:15.14 | chuckg | Yup. |
| 06:15.20 | chuckg | And only with the crafting window loading first. |
| 06:16.12 | AnduinLothar | doesn't sound liek a drop down bug, some laoding issue with your code |
| 06:18.39 | chuckg | Why would it load differently between tradeskill and crafting? That doesn't make sense. |
| 06:19.52 | chuckg | I'm at a total impasse, I dont know where to go further. The more tinkering I do w/ the uidropdown the less it works. |
| 06:20.11 | Wobin | if you swap them around in the LoadWith line, does it still error? |
| 06:20.22 | chuckg | No clue, let me see. |
| 06:20.29 | chuckg | Know the funny part? |
| 06:20.34 | chuckg | I don't get errors, ever, if I use mobileframes. |
| 06:20.37 | chuckg | *cough* |
| 06:20.53 | AnduinLothar | mf loads um all onload |
| 06:20.57 | chuckg | I know. |
| 06:21.06 | AnduinLothar | mf fixes everything |
| 06:21.13 | chuckg | Thank god. |
| 06:21.20 | chuckg | Too bad it's not default in blizz UI or I wouldn't be here. |
| 06:21.25 | AnduinLothar | LOD == more work + problems |
| 06:21.51 | chuckg | It has to be to work, the way my mod accesses the menu and such. |
| 06:22.05 | chuckg | Since the tradeskill/crafting are LOD, my mod can't set itself up until those frames are loaded. |
| 06:22.48 | Wobin | Maybe have it load, but have it setup when the tradeskill_show event thing fires? |
| 06:23.38 | chuckg | I do that already, but I might as well just LOD it. The error remains with it LOD or not. |
| 06:24.07 | Wobin | is the error message helpful at all? |
| 06:24.27 | chuckg | Points me to an obscure line in UIDropdowns. |
| 06:24.49 | Wobin | hm, which one? |
| 06:25.08 | Wobin | And maybe grab one of those improvederror addons and have it show the callstack? |
| 06:25.23 | End | I wrote one that shows the callstack |
| 06:25.28 | End | I should really release it |
| 06:26.18 | Wobin | Please do =) |
| 06:26.39 | End | I need to add a queueing feature still though ;p |
| 06:26.42 | Wobin | I've tried tacking it into bugsack et al, but it never works out what I need |
| 06:27.51 | End | originally, before the existance of debugstack(), I wrote my own callstack generator (using error() and pcall()), and I tried to tack it onto IEF |
| 06:28.17 | End | unfortunately, IEF didn't seem to like really long error strings |
| 06:28.59 | AnduinLothar | the version in Cosmos has been updated for better parsing |
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| 06:54.36 | End | Wobin: http://endif.cjb.net/misc/FullError-0.2-beta1.zip |
| 06:54.57 | Wobin | woo thankyou |
| 06:54.58 | End | the next/prev buttons probably don't show text in 1.10 |
| 06:55.07 | End | because...it's written for 1.11 :P |
| 06:55.08 | Wobin | how does it display the error? |
| 06:55.16 | Wobin | ah, hm |
| 06:55.27 | End | just pops up a window like the normal error frame |
| 06:55.39 | End | I plan on adding some sort of queueing system at some point |
| 06:55.39 | Wobin | is that on your current server? |
| 06:55.55 | End | well, it's where I stick stuff |
| 06:56.01 | End | and where my svn resides |
| 06:56.07 | chuckg | So it'll catch my error and show all the calls? |
| 06:56.19 | End | chuckg: yes |
| 06:56.29 | Wobin | could you change it to an ip? I have issues trying to connect =( |
| 06:56.34 | End | sure |
| 06:56.38 | End | I think |
| 06:57.23 | End | http://72.25.151.58/~end/misc/FullError-0.2-beta1.zip |
| 06:58.10 | Wobin | woot, thank you, that worked |
| 06:58.19 | End | np |
| 06:58.34 | End | feel free to give me feedback |
| 06:59.39 | Wobin | will it work under 1.10? |
| 06:59.52 | End | yes |
| 06:59.58 | End | or it works for me :P |
| 07:00.36 | End | at least, it catches doing arithmetic on nil values :P |
| 07:00.51 | End | something like /script dg=dfg/df |
| 07:00.59 | chuckg | How do I bring the window back up? |
| 07:01.08 | End | currently...you don't :-/ |
| 07:01.17 | End | well |
| 07:01.21 | End | unless you generate another error |
| 07:01.48 | End | (a few missing things like that is why I haven't really released it yet) |
| 07:02.40 | End | (or, /script FullErrorFrame:Show() I guess would work) |
| 07:03.12 | chuckg | Neat but I don't know what the hell it's telling me. |
| 07:03.13 | chuckg | Hahah. |
| 07:04.40 | AnduinLothar | that's sweet, i crashed wow.. |
| 07:04.57 | AnduinLothar | Exception Raised! |
| 07:04.58 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.58 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.58 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.58 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.58 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.03 | End | AnduinLothar, are you trying to follow Tem's footseps? |
| 07:05.03 | chuckg | Is it going backwards? |
| 07:05.13 | End | backwards? |
| 07:05.20 | chuckg | Well it seems like the error is at the top. |
| 07:05.22 | chuckg | Not the bottom. |
| 07:05.32 | End | bottom is the origin |
| 07:05.34 | chuckg | So the last call where it errors is the first line. |
| 07:05.35 | chuckg | Yea ok |
| 07:05.37 | End | top is where the error occured |
| 07:05.49 | End | that's usually how such things are displayed :P |
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| 07:36.59 | AnduinLothar | so, anyone know how to make a resizable editbox within a scroll frame that wont extend past the length of the scroll frame? |
| 07:52.47 | s|loup | you want to resize it without extend the length? so just the width or how do you mean ? |
| 07:53.27 | AnduinLothar | well, pretend the ScrollFrame parent is resizable |
| 07:53.51 | s|loup | oh so just the scrollchild right? |
| 07:54.16 | AnduinLothar | i dont want the scrollchild to extend outside of the scrollbox |
| 07:54.37 | AnduinLothar | atm i can see all of my scrollchild |
| 07:55.00 | AnduinLothar | even stuff outside the ScrollFrame and it's parent |
| 07:55.20 | s|loup | hm |
| 07:56.25 | s|loup | cant you check at resizing what size the editbox will be? |
| 07:56.52 | s|loup | so you can set boundaries for the resizing |
| 07:57.14 | AnduinLothar | how so |
| 07:57.28 | s|loup | how do you resize? |
| 07:57.46 | AnduinLothar | resizing the parent of the ScrollFrame |
| 07:58.50 | s|loup | you resize the parent of the scrollframe to resize the editbox? |
| 07:59.07 | AnduinLothar | To resize the ScrollFrame |
| 07:59.27 | AnduinLothar | which should be the size of the visible edit box |
| 07:59.57 | s|loup | the editbox is the child of the scrollframe right? |
| 08:00.02 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 08:00.02 | Wobin | SetAllPoints isn't working? |
| 08:00.41 | AnduinLothar | not so much, the editbox ends up the size of the text i put in it, so if the text is larger than the scrollframe then the editbox is too and entirely visible |
| 08:01.31 | s|loup | so you resize the editbox when including text? |
| 08:01.51 | AnduinLothar | no, it resized automaticly when you SetText |
| 08:02.09 | s|loup | oO |
| 08:02.30 | AnduinLothar | it's SetAllPoints to the ScrollFrame, its parent |
| 08:03.18 | AnduinLothar | but if i add more lines than the height of the ScrollFrame it keeps growing like it should, except the whole thing is vissible, rather than jsut the stuff within the ScrollFrame bounds |
| 08:03.41 | AnduinLothar | and you can scroll it up and down |
| 08:03.48 | s|loup | oh ok |
| 08:04.11 | s|loup | mom |
| 08:05.04 | AnduinLothar | ? lol |
| 08:05.38 | s|loup | http://pastebin.com/717932 |
| 08:05.45 | s|loup | this should help |
| 08:06.47 | AnduinLothar | this being the editbox? |
| 08:06.51 | s|loup | yes |
| 08:09.21 | Wobin | Damnit, why is Bon Echo so -slow- when saving?! |
| 08:12.38 | AnduinLothar | ah, yes that code looks familiar |
| 08:12.58 | AnduinLothar | code i've written before in fact, but completely forgot about |
| 08:13.10 | AnduinLothar | now i need to add it to the resize too |
| 08:15.27 | AnduinLothar | actually, i dont want it scrollign to the bottom, but i still ne the UpdateScrollChildRect |
| 08:16.02 | AnduinLothar | if it keeps the same offset fromt he top that's fine |
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| 08:21.39 | AnduinLothar | wellt hat works till i resize it |
| 08:21.52 | AnduinLothar | actually, no it doesn't |
| 08:21.54 | s|loup | hm whats happen after resize? |
| 08:22.25 | AnduinLothar | it seems to correctly crop, but i cant scroll, then if i resize i can scroll but it stops cropping |
| 08:23.52 | s|loup | can you try to hang on the editbox the script for OnSizeChanged ? |
| 08:24.37 | s|loup | maybe he doesn't resize the editbox? |
| 08:24.38 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 08:25.21 | s|loup | <OnSizeChanged>do the stuff like in OnTextChanged</OnSizeChanged> |
| 08:28.09 | AnduinLothar | ok, well now it's not croppign at all |
| 08:31.03 | s|loup | hm |
| 08:39.16 | AnduinLothar | now i cant get it to crop at all.. |
| 08:40.50 | s|loup | oO |
| 08:48.33 | AnduinLothar | it crops but wont scroll untill i call UpdateScrollChildRect |
| 09:01.31 | AnduinLothar | wow... now i can't get line wrapping to work... it wraps half the time, hide it, show it, it changes.. |
| 09:04.48 | AnduinLothar | ahh... i have to have it UpdateScrollChildRect onscroll too |
| 09:04.54 | AnduinLothar | >.< |
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| 09:05.59 | krka|work | editboxes are fucked up |
| 09:06.03 | krka|work | can't handle long lines or too many lines |
| 09:06.43 | AnduinLothar | nah, it seems to work, the editbox is working fine (chat doesn't have super long strings), it's the ScrollFrame that's being a pain |
| 09:08.42 | MoonWolf | threaten to burn it or something |
| 09:08.43 | AnduinLothar | i got it to resize the EditBox correctly, but it still doesn't crop tthe top and bottom |
| 09:08.43 | MoonWolf | that might help |
| 09:10.00 | AnduinLothar | er... |
| 09:10.12 | AnduinLothar | it resized bigger, but not smaller lol |
| 09:10.19 | MoonWolf | ... |
| 09:11.45 | AnduinLothar | it unwraps the text, but wont rewrap it |
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| 11:16.50 | AnduinLothar | ok, it resizes just fine until you scroll, then it unwraps and wont rewrap |
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| 12:46.15 | AnduinLothar | wow... that was dumb |
| 12:46.37 | AnduinLothar | Anchors... any anchors at all on the ScrollChild and it's completely visible |
| 12:46.46 | AnduinLothar | zero anchors and oclusion works perfectly |
| 12:48.32 | krka|work | interesting |
| 12:48.43 | krka|work | might be worth wiki:ing |
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| 12:51.19 | AnduinLothar | might just be for editboxes, who knows.. |
| 12:51.22 | s|loup | so you just have to include it to scrollchild ? |
| 12:51.38 | s|loup | without anchors |
| 12:52.03 | krka|work | which makes sense, really |
| 12:52.28 | s|loup | but should you give it a start size ? |
| 12:52.47 | s|loup | or will it as same size as scrollframe? |
| 12:56.39 | AnduinLothar | worked for a sec, now i broke it again |
| 12:56.46 | s|loup | oO |
| 12:57.18 | s|loup | never change a running system ^^ |
| 12:59.11 | AnduinLothar | it had gobs of experimental code, need to trim it to figure out what actually made it work |
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| 13:10.38 | Josh|Sleep | is there any way to get the stats of an item without opening a tooltip? |
| 13:10.46 | End-sleep | no |
| 13:10.54 | End | at least |
| 13:10.57 | End | not afaik |
| 13:11.16 | JoshBorke | but i could open a hidden tooltip? |
| 13:11.26 | End | you can use a hidden tooltip |
| 13:11.30 | End | that's what most people do |
| 13:12.28 | JoshBorke | could you give me a simple addon that does that? i'm looking at KC_Items and getting confused |
| 13:12.30 | End | be careful though, tooltips need a parent and/or anchor I think? in order to work properly. |
| 13:13.16 | s|loup | just a anchor as i knows |
| 13:13.39 | s|loup | but ANCHOR_NONE can also be used? |
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| 13:14.12 | End | ok yeah |
| 13:14.19 | End | you just need an anchor it looks like |
| 13:14.50 | JoshBorke | morning Legorol |
| 13:14.58 | JoshBorke | eeegads, they are multiplying! |
| 13:15.39 | End | grr, pastebin is being slooowww |
| 13:16.35 | End | JoshBorke: anyways, I have something in my code a little like this http://wow.pastebin.com/718374 |
| 13:17.15 | End | and then of course, your usual scanning through SuperDuperTooltip |
| 13:17.32 | JoshBorke | which i'm very happy with my implementation :-) |
| 13:17.41 | JoshBorke | wow, pastebin is being slow... |
| 13:17.42 | End | (although, I probably should have added hidden="true") |
| 13:17.47 | End | yeah, that's what I said! |
| 13:18.02 | JoshBorke | ( End ): thanks for your help :-) |
| 13:18.05 | End | np |
| 13:53.23 | JoshBorke | how do i hook SetItemRef so that i can still use the dress-up? |
| 13:57.40 | JoshBorke | ah, nvm |
| 14:14.16 | AnduinLothar | SetScrollChild helps enensely.. |
| 14:21.10 | AnduinLothar | Assertion Failed! |
| 14:21.10 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.10 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.10 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.11 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.11 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.13 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.43 | Legorol^ | hello |
| 14:22.10 | JoshBorke | c |
| 14:22.33 | Legorol^ | i see this in 1.11 changes thread: |
| 14:22.34 | Legorol^ | Virtual frame definitions will remain in memory after the initial XML parse pass, and can be accessed from updated CreateFrame/CreateFontString/CreateTexture methods. |
| 14:22.46 | JoshBorke | yep |
| 14:22.46 | Legorol^ | How does this comment apply in the context of LOD AddOns? |
| 14:22.58 | AnduinLothar | yeah, iriel bribed slouken with cookies |
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| 14:23.13 | Legorol^ | a) are virtual frames loaded during the normal load available for a LOD AddOn? |
| 14:23.23 | Legorol^ | b) are virtual frames defined in a LOD AddOn available to Lua afterwards? |
| 14:23.41 | Legorol^ | no WoW here so can't test :( |
| 14:23.47 | Legorol^ | A somewhat related question: |
| 14:24.00 | Legorol^ | Is it still necessary for a LOD AddOn to list Fonts.xml in its TOC, or is this now obsolete? |
| 14:24.16 | Kirkburn | Obsolete |
| 14:24.33 | Kirkburn | At least, it's no longer in the 1.11 files |
| 14:24.37 | Legorol^ | is that because Fonts are not virtuals anymore, but proper objects which stay put? |
| 14:24.55 | End | hrmph |
| 14:25.05 | Kirkburn | I think the latter, but don't quote me on that |
| 14:25.26 | Legorol^ | ok, does Fonts.xml being obsolete in a LOD AddOn's TOC apply only to 1.11, or to 1.10 as well? |
| 14:25.42 | Kirkburn | I was poking around the 1.11 UI files and noticed all the Blizz LOD addon tocs had had fonts.xml removed |
| 14:25.47 | Legorol^ | where's Iriel when one needs his encyclopediac brain |
| 14:25.56 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 14:26.06 | End | it sounds like Iriel has been really busy lately |
| 14:26.16 | Kirkburn | I *think* it already worked in 1.10, but I'm not certain |
| 14:26.47 | Legorol^ | it seems to me it should work under 1.10 already, as Fonts are not virtuals anymore |
| 14:26.57 | Legorol^ | but that's just my interpretation, I never tested it |
| 14:27.56 | AnduinLothar | ScrollFrames suck |
| 14:28.06 | s|loup | hehe |
| 14:28.07 | Kirkburn | I'm hoping that it'll mean I can recode ClearFont to be more efficient |
| 14:28.31 | Legorol^ | AnduinLothar: what sucks about them specifically? |
| 14:28.35 | Legorol^ | or just the whole lot :) |
| 14:29.15 | AnduinLothar | they aren't designed well enough |
| 14:29.46 | Legorol^ | I found that they are pretty flexible, once you get your head around how they work.. |
| 14:30.03 | Legorol^ | what are they lacking in your opinion? |
| 14:30.12 | AnduinLothar | resizing is a bitch, dynamic contents are a bitch, the xml ScrollChild is not equal to SetScrollChild |
| 14:30.13 | Legorol^ | i do agree that they are a pain to get used to |
| 14:30.38 | AnduinLothar | and it derefrences everything any time you change something |
| 14:31.36 | AnduinLothar | and we already knew editboxes sucked |
| 14:31.50 | AnduinLothar | so ScrollFrames + EditBoxes == the devil |
| 14:32.12 | Legorol^ | i agree that a scrollable, resizable editbox is hard to implement |
| 14:32.20 | Legorol^ | but if you understand exactly what's going on, it's not that bad |
| 14:32.29 | Legorol^ | i think the problem is that most people expect too much from the scrollframe |
| 14:32.33 | AnduinLothar | no, trusst me, it's bad |
| 14:32.35 | Legorol^ | a scrollframe is just a viewport, no more no less |
| 14:32.40 | s|loup | i just expect to scroll |
| 14:32.47 | Legorol^ | a scrollframe doesn't even scroll |
| 14:32.53 | Legorol^ | you need separate scrollbar for that :) |
| 14:33.08 | Legorol^ | i think the main reason why people find scrollframes hard is because they expect too much intelligence from it |
| 14:33.23 | AnduinLothar | i expect it too oclude the ScrollChild info that is larger than the veiwport |
| 14:33.36 | Legorol^ | and that's what it does, doesn't it? |
| 14:33.40 | s|loup | hm i have inherited from UIPanelScrollFrameTemplate |
| 14:33.41 | AnduinLothar | not always |
| 14:33.50 | Legorol^ | you know that you have to use UpdateScrollChildRect() |
| 14:33.54 | s|loup | so i hope there is a scrollbar in it |
| 14:33.59 | AnduinLothar | doesn't matter |
| 14:34.04 | Legorol^ | s|loup: there is |
| 14:34.38 | s|loup | so i just expect to scroll ;) |
| 14:34.45 | AnduinLothar | do another SetText on an editbox inside the ScrollChild and voila, it derefrences itself and no more oclusion |
| 14:34.53 | Legorol^ | ehm.. |
| 14:34.59 | Legorol^ | what do you mean by "dereference" in this context? |
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| 14:35.31 | Legorol^ | I have never seen a scrollframe not occlude the part of the scrollchild that is outside the scrollframes boundaries |
| 14:35.34 | AnduinLothar | so you have to manually set the editbox as the ScrollChild using SetScrollChild |
| 14:35.39 | AnduinLothar | after every time you SetText |
| 14:35.48 | Legorol^ | hmmm |
| 14:35.49 | AnduinLothar | ah, the wonders i have seen |
| 14:35.54 | Legorol^ | that doesn't sound right, indeed |
| 14:36.10 | Legorol^ | that sounds more of a bug though |
| 14:36.10 | AnduinLothar | I can make an infinitely large editbox that scrolls but doesn't oclude |
| 14:36.10 | s|loup | thats a point ia also never seen |
| 14:36.41 | AnduinLothar | the worst part, it ocludes fine until you do another SetText on it |
| 14:36.43 | Legorol^ | you mean that parts of the editbox are visible outside the scrollframe? |
| 14:36.48 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 14:36.53 | AnduinLothar | the entire thing in fact |
| 14:36.54 | Legorol^ | ok |
| 14:37.03 | Legorol^ | then it does sound like a bug |
| 14:37.09 | AnduinLothar | even if and especially if you anchored the ScrollChild |
| 14:37.18 | Legorol^ | you are not supposed to anchor the scrollchild |
| 14:37.22 | Legorol^ | that screws up the scrollframe |
| 14:37.25 | AnduinLothar | but even w/o an anchor |
| 14:37.38 | AnduinLothar | SetText makes it look identical |
| 14:37.49 | Legorol^ | ok, this editbox, you are setting it to be the child via SetScrollChild, you said |
| 14:38.04 | Legorol^ | i would report this to slouken |
| 14:38.06 | AnduinLothar | well, in the xml it's technically within the ScrollChild |
| 14:38.12 | Legorol^ | ehm.. |
| 14:38.22 | Legorol^ | i never had any problems when the widgets were defined in the XML |
| 14:38.34 | Legorol^ | so it must be some bug with SetScrollChild |
| 14:38.44 | AnduinLothar | which is why no one's ever done what I'm trying to do |
| 14:39.00 | AnduinLothar | which is why it will look like magic when i finally get it working |
| 14:39.15 | Legorol^ | is there any reason why you use SetScrollChild? |
| 14:39.24 | Legorol^ | can't you just put a simple Frame as a scrollchild in the XML, |
| 14:39.26 | zenzelezz | and included natively in the patch after just to anger you ;) |
| 14:39.26 | AnduinLothar | cause you have to |
| 14:39.29 | Legorol^ | and add anything else you need under it? |
| 14:39.44 | Legorol^ | as children of that frame |
| 14:40.18 | AnduinLothar | possibly, but I haven't tried that. It may or may not do the same thing |
| 14:40.44 | Legorol^ | ok, at the moment, what do you use SetScrollChild for |
| 14:41.07 | Legorol^ | to put in an editbox? |
| 14:41.07 | Legorol^ | couldn't you just have that editbox defined in the XML, and change its content via SetText? |
| 14:41.10 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 14:41.27 | Legorol^ | so you absolutely must change the scrollchild occasionally for the addon to work |
| 14:41.42 | Legorol^ | here is a workaround that might work though: |
| 14:41.56 | AnduinLothar | i could try makign the editbox a child frame of another frame used as the scrollchild, but otherwise, yes |
| 14:42.10 | Legorol^ | <ScrollFrame> ... <ScrollChild> <Frame name="thechild"> </Frame> </ScrollChild> </ScrollFrame> |
| 14:42.33 | Legorol^ | then you can just try SetParent on the editbox |
| 14:42.47 | Legorol^ | editbox:SetParent("thechild") |
| 14:42.51 | AnduinLothar | shouldn't have to, but yes |
| 14:43.08 | Legorol^ | might make things less painful |
| 14:43.12 | AnduinLothar | can jsut make the editbox within a defined <Frames> tag |
| 14:43.27 | AnduinLothar | either way it's a work around for a bug |
| 14:43.32 | Legorol^ | right |
| 14:43.45 | AnduinLothar | esp since blizzard code puts editboxes in ScrollChilds all the time |
| 14:43.54 | Legorol^ | but they do so in XML |
| 14:44.02 | AnduinLothar | that's what i'm doign too |
| 14:44.10 | Legorol^ | i thought you said you use SetScrollChild |
| 14:44.23 | AnduinLothar | i do, after a 2nd SetText, because it breaks |
| 14:44.32 | Legorol^ | ok well either way, if SetScrollChild is buggy, then it's buggy, nothing you can do I guess |
| 14:44.44 | Legorol^ | what breaks? |
| 14:44.46 | AnduinLothar | like i said, it sucks |
| 14:44.51 | Legorol^ | if you have defined stuff in the XML, nothing should break |
| 14:44.53 | AnduinLothar | oclusion |
| 14:44.58 | Legorol^ | really? |
| 14:45.00 | AnduinLothar | no... it breaks |
| 14:45.04 | Legorol^ | even if you haven't used SetScrollChild? |
| 14:45.07 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 14:45.07 | Legorol^ | that sounds strange |
| 14:45.14 | Legorol^ | would you mind pastebinning the code? |
| 14:45.19 | Legorol^ | or put it on svn |
| 14:45.24 | Legorol^ | i'd love to try it out later |
| 14:45.49 | AnduinLothar | i'll work on a minimal case after i get it working |
| 14:45.54 | Legorol^ | ok |
| 14:46.00 | Legorol^ | what addon is this for? the chat-click thing? |
| 14:46.12 | AnduinLothar | ChatEdit |
| 14:46.19 | Legorol^ | k |
| 14:46.27 | AnduinLothar | already finished ChatClick, tho it's low on features |
| 14:46.40 | Legorol^ | btw, ChatEdit will be a godsend |
| 14:46.42 | Legorol^ | something everyone always screamed for :) |
| 14:46.55 | AnduinLothar | and i know why it's never been done |
| 14:47.07 | AnduinLothar | because all the tools suck |
| 14:47.19 | Tain | What's ChatEdit? |
| 14:47.35 | Legorol^ | I am surprised you are having so much trouble though |
| 14:47.39 | AnduinLothar | lets you sellect and edit chat, duh |
| 14:47.43 | Legorol^ | becaue Blizz Ui code does indeed have scrollable editboxes all over |
| 14:47.44 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 14:47.45 | Legorol^ | which work |
| 14:47.58 | Legorol^ | e.g. mailbox |
| 14:48.06 | krka|work | i have also had major problems with editboxes |
| 14:48.11 | AnduinLothar | right... but not scrollable editable resizable changing ones |
| 14:48.13 | Legorol^ | there are some gotchas, yes |
| 14:48.18 | krka|work | mostly due to wide lines and many lines |
| 14:48.21 | Legorol^ | AnduinLothar: check out Notepad |
| 14:48.25 | Legorol^ | and/or Phoenix DevPad |
| 14:48.30 | AnduinLothar | not the same... |
| 14:48.33 | Legorol^ | has scrollable, editable, resizable editbox |
| 14:48.40 | Legorol^ | which changes |
| 14:49.03 | Legorol^ | krka: yes editboxes have issue with wrapping text |
| 14:49.03 | AnduinLothar | try takign the full flexability of a ScrollingMessageFrame and making it out of an editbox and a ScrollFrame |
| 14:49.11 | Legorol^ | and editbox wrapping behaviour changes with every patch almost :) |
| 14:49.42 | AnduinLothar | emulation if you will |
| 14:49.44 | Legorol^ | AnduinLothar: that's mostly in Notepad already |
| 14:49.46 | krka|work | i haven't figured out why editboxes fuck up rendering completely with too many lines |
| 14:49.52 | Legorol^ | the only thing it's missing is scrolling to top/bottom |
| 14:49.56 | krka|work | it's not that the text gets broken, it just gets rendered broken |
| 14:49.56 | Legorol^ | everything else is there |
| 14:50.04 | Legorol^ | resizable, SetText-able, you can use pageup/pagedown |
| 14:50.19 | AnduinLothar | i know, i've used it |
| 14:50.29 | Legorol^ | krka: if you are talking about line of text that has no spaces and is too wide for the editbox, that issue is fixed in 1.11 |
| 14:50.38 | krka|work | nope, not what i am talking about |
| 14:50.43 | krka|work | but i have had problem too |
| 14:50.45 | AnduinLothar | chat usually doesn't have that problem |
| 14:51.00 | Legorol^ | anyway, i am looking forward to the ChatEdit addon |
| 14:51.09 | krka|work | why would you want to edit the chat history? |
| 14:51.12 | Legorol^ | sorry to hear you have so much pain with it |
| 14:51.18 | Legorol^ | krka: not to edit, but to copy/paste |
| 14:51.22 | Tain | Chat history currently sucks. |
| 14:51.26 | Legorol^ | not being able to copy/paste from chatboxes is a major pain |
| 14:51.32 | krka|work | ah i see |
| 14:51.49 | Legorol^ | Tain: if by chat history you are referring to being able to recall previous lines you typed |
| 14:51.57 | Legorol^ | or were you referring to somethign else? |
| 14:52.00 | Tain | Yes, that's what I mean. |
| 14:52.06 | Tain | Chat command history. |
| 14:52.06 | AnduinLothar | well if you typed it that's easy |
| 14:52.19 | Legorol^ | ok, what are the things you perceive as bad about it? |
| 14:52.20 | AnduinLothar | if someone else typed it that's harder |
| 14:52.31 | Legorol^ | the only issue i had is having to hold down Alt for you to be able to go back in history and to edit |
| 14:52.42 | Legorol^ | but that behaviour can be changed with one API call so it doens't require Alt |
| 14:52.43 | Tain | When you scroll back and change a command it replaces that previous command rather than adding the edited command as a new history entry. |
| 14:52.53 | Legorol^ | yes, and that's how it should be imho |
| 14:53.01 | Legorol^ | so that if you fix a typo, it's not cluttered with two versions |
| 14:53.04 | JoshBorke | ( Tain ): I HATE THAT! |
| 14:53.04 | Tain | Not in any other command history system I've ever used. |
| 14:53.20 | Legorol^ | i agree, it's not the same as most systems |
| 14:53.27 | Legorol^ | maybe it's just me, but i do prefer it this way |
| 14:53.32 | Tain | Regardless of whether it "should" or "shouldn't" be, it's not my desired behaviour. |
| 14:53.36 | Tain | And it bugs the everloving shit out of me. |
| 14:53.39 | Legorol^ | hehe |
| 14:53.44 | Legorol^ | well you are a modder, you can change it ;_) |
| 14:53.45 | AnduinLothar | that might be editable |
| 14:53.52 | Tain | I tried. |
| 14:53.54 | Legorol^ | probably a few line fix in ChatFrame.lua |
| 14:54.02 | AnduinLothar | well not really |
| 14:54.12 | AnduinLothar | history is stored in the editbox |
| 14:54.19 | Legorol^ | ah |
| 14:54.25 | AnduinLothar | you would have to store it explicitly instead |
| 14:54.32 | Legorol^ | that does sound like a pain |
| 14:54.42 | AnduinLothar | which wouldn't be too hard, but it's not a couple line fix |
| 14:54.45 | Tain | The command that actually stores your history isn't changable. It decides if you already had that entry. |
| 14:55.00 | Tain | So yeah you could replace the functionality entirely with your own, maybe. |
| 14:55.05 | AnduinLothar | no, but you can override the functions or the binding |
| 14:55.14 | AnduinLothar | right, replace |
| 14:55.25 | Tain | I personally don't do anything that completely replaces or bypasses existing functions. |
| 14:55.28 | AnduinLothar | which is essentially what I'm doing with the chatframes |
| 14:55.47 | Cide | I can see it being useful for normal chat.. but for typing in /scripts, it's a major pain |
| 14:55.59 | Tain | If I can add to it, I'll do that. But I don't like anything that doesn't call the original functions at some point. It has the potential to break someone else's stuff. |
| 14:55.59 | AnduinLothar | except that it's only temporary, otherwise i would hook the functions so that in replacing it still can be used exactly liek the old one |
| 14:56.13 | Cide | since I often type out a /script, and then modify a few pieces of it.. if I want to go back and call the original one, it's gone :( |
| 14:56.24 | Tain | Excatly Cide, that's what I want. |
| 14:56.32 | Tain | I want the original there AND the newly edited one. |
| 14:56.34 | Legorol^ | i see you are completely right, Tain |
| 14:56.35 | AnduinLothar | I might make a ChatHistory then too later |
| 14:56.40 | Legorol^ | i always thought chat history is done Lua side |
| 14:56.45 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 14:56.48 | Legorol^ | i see now from ChatFrame.lua it's done in C by the editbox |
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| 14:56.52 | Legorol^ | that's bad :/ |
| 14:57.08 | krka|work | doesn't mean we can't fix it, does it? :) |
| 14:57.12 | krka|work | hooking FTW |
| 14:57.27 | Tain | I started doing an addon for it, but when I realized I couldn't I switched focus and instead made an addon to store your command history across sessions. |
| 14:57.57 | Tain | Which, ironically enough, you can store whatever the hell you want in the history across sessions since you're starting blank and just insert your commands. |
| 14:58.16 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 14:58.46 | Legorol^ | krka: so what was the issue you were having with editboxes? |
| 14:59.48 | AnduinLothar | it's so much easier to test this when people are actually online... my chatframes fill up in a few min now instead of never.. |
| 15:00.47 | krka|work | it started rendering the wrong lines once you had too many lines in the editbox |
| 15:01.13 | AnduinLothar | nope. havign a parent frame doesn't work lego |
| 15:01.19 | krka|work | should be easy to verify |
| 15:01.25 | krka|work | i used LuaSlinger + FAIAP to do it |
| 15:01.28 | AnduinLothar | still have to SetScrollChild after SetText |
| 15:01.32 | krka|work | but i don't think FAIAP was involved with it |
| 15:01.50 | krka|work | first i thought it was related to number of letters, but after that i realized it was number of lines |
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| 15:02.14 | AnduinLothar | which it of course wont let you limit |
| 15:02.35 | krka|work | while true do "hi maia" ; wait 5 minutes ; end |
| 15:03.59 | maia | metro:Register("lol", self.lol, 360, self): metro:Start("lol") |
| 15:04.05 | AnduinLothar | oh and btw you have to do UpdateScrollChildRect after the frames are visible |
| 15:05.43 | krka|work | after they are visible or after :Show()? |
| 15:05.51 | krka|work | i.e. do you have to wait a frame? |
| 15:06.03 | AnduinLothar | after :Show() |
| 15:06.51 | AnduinLothar | otherwise it's not considered within the ScrollChild when it tries to determine the size |
| 15:08.45 | AnduinLothar | and multiline editboxes as ScrollChildren are as tall as the text they contain rather than the height of the scrollchild |
| 15:09.00 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 15:09.07 | AnduinLothar | height of the ScrollFrame i mean |
| 15:09.41 | AnduinLothar | actually i think that's true of all ScrollChildren |
| 15:23.05 | AnduinLothar | and hiding the ChatFrame text without hiding the frame, magic! |
| 15:24.02 | End | oh noes! ChanServ has abandoned us! |
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| 15:24.37 | JoshBorke | oh noes! Chanserv is back! run! |
| 15:33.24 | AnduinLothar | Check out this crafty code: http://wow.pastebin.com/718570 |
| 15:34.29 | JoshBorke | i would if it didn't take so long to load the page :-/ |
| 15:34.36 | End | it loaded fast for me |
| 15:35.17 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: Why don;t you use self? |
| 15:35.59 | AnduinLothar | cause ChatEdit is a global table, where as i'm callign it on a ChatFrame |
| 15:36.23 | AnduinLothar | and i don't feel like adding functions to all 7 ChatFrames |
| 15:37.34 | AnduinLothar | i could easily pass a frame and use GetID, either way works |
| 15:38.14 | AnduinLothar | I find self to be confusing, especially when sued on objects you didn't instantiate |
| 15:38.19 | AnduinLothar | used* |
| 15:39.05 | AnduinLothar | now if i had created the chatframes myself i would have used self and made the function templated and in each of the chatframes |
| 15:39.10 | Industrial | http://wow.pastebin.com/718580 |
| 15:39.12 | Industrial | *shrug* |
| 15:40.24 | AnduinLothar | ah, you mean for the storage tables, yes i could do that |
| 15:40.58 | AnduinLothar | probably faster since it doesn't have to index the variable |
| 15:42.25 | Legorol^ | AnduinLothar: after a SetText on the editbox, have you tried to first show it, then call UpdateScrollChildRect() |
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| 15:42.34 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 15:42.39 | Legorol^ | hmm |
| 15:42.45 | Legorol^ | and yes you need to call UpdateScrollChildRect() after everything in there gets shown |
| 15:42.55 | Legorol^ | because the scrollframe can't evaluate their size otherwise |
| 15:43.31 | Legorol^ | as for the height: |
| 15:43.41 | Legorol^ | a multiline editbox has its height changing dynamically |
| 15:43.46 | Legorol^ | you can't do jack about that |
| 15:43.47 | JoshBorke | hrm |
| 15:44.00 | Legorol^ | it's got nothing to do with scrolling |
| 15:44.25 | Legorol^ | any frame can be a scrollchild, and their height is whatever height you set them to be |
| 15:44.43 | Legorol^ | if you change the height of a scrollchild, you need to call UpdateScrollChildRect |
| 15:45.02 | Legorol^ | which is why you have to call UpdateScrollChildRect if the text in an editbox changes, because its height might have changed |
| 15:45.13 | AnduinLothar | right.. |
| 15:45.40 | Legorol^ | the issue about not colluding does sound like a bug though |
| 15:45.59 | Legorol^ | in what way does your implementation differ from Notepad's scrollable editbox? |
| 15:46.15 | AnduinLothar | i'd have to look at it's code |
| 15:46.24 | Legorol^ | ok nvm then |
| 15:48.20 | AnduinLothar | got this mostly working, just details now |
| 15:48.47 | AnduinLothar | like offset, since ScrllFrame is in pixals from the top and ScrollingMessageFrame is lines from the bottom |
| 15:48.58 | AnduinLothar | and line colors |
| 15:49.32 | Legorol^ | the thing i found hard about an editbox in a scrollframe is this: |
| 15:49.44 | Legorol^ | with no or few lines in it, the editbox's height shrinks |
| 15:49.49 | Legorol^ | so it might not be as tall as the scrollframe |
| 15:50.08 | Legorol^ | in which case when you click in the window, you won't actually be clicking on the editbox |
| 15:50.11 | Legorol^ | but the scrollframe instead |
| 15:50.25 | Legorol^ | so the scrollframe has to have an OnClick handler that does editbox:SetFocus |
| 15:50.40 | AnduinLothar | ya, or fill the lines |
| 15:50.55 | Legorol^ | but you can't fill the lines, because then you can't copy/paste out of that editbox |
| 15:51.11 | AnduinLothar | sure you can, i mean fill the extra lines |
| 15:51.16 | AnduinLothar | add line breaks |
| 15:51.26 | Legorol^ | yes i understood what you said |
| 15:51.39 | Legorol^ | but then Select All on the editbox followed by Copy will include all those extra lines |
| 15:52.05 | Legorol^ | and you need extra code to start removing the extra lines as the editbox starts gaining more "meaningful" lines |
| 15:52.15 | Legorol^ | so that's a pain |
| 15:52.23 | Legorol^ | easier to make sure the scrollframe has an OnClick handler |
| 15:52.28 | AnduinLothar | true |
| 15:52.33 | Legorol^ | it's just one of those gotchas that's not obvious |
| 15:52.44 | AnduinLothar | tho i dont expect many sellect all's int he chat |
| 15:52.45 | Legorol^ | then again, this is editbox's fault and not the scrollframe's |
| 15:52.58 | Legorol^ | well a lot of editboxes that are scrollable are used to output data from WoW |
| 15:53.06 | Legorol^ | e.g. IEF |
| 15:53.27 | Legorol^ | i agree not many select alls in the chat |
| 15:53.30 | AnduinLothar | well, in reference to chat is all i'm thinking about atm |
| 15:53.35 | Legorol^ | fair enough |
| 15:54.38 | JoshBorke | ugh, how do i debug C Stack errors? |
| 15:55.11 | Legorol^ | by not creating infinite loops :) |
| 15:55.17 | Legorol^ | on a serious note: |
| 15:55.29 | Legorol^ | sorry i meant infinite recursion |
| 15:55.49 | Legorol^ | JoshBorke: does the C stack error give any indication of where how and why? |
| 15:55.53 | JoshBorke | i know :-) but i can't reproduce the bug :_/ |
| 15:56.42 | Legorol^ | do you know which addon at least ;-) |
| 15:57.06 | JoshBorke | i'm assuming it's one i wrote, but nope :-/ |
| 15:57.19 | Legorol^ | ouch |
| 15:57.25 | Legorol^ | if you can't reproduce it it's a pain |
| 15:57.29 | JoshBorke | exactly |
| 15:57.47 | Legorol^ | in your own addons at least, try and look for functions that |
| 15:57.50 | Legorol^ | a) call themselves |
| 15:57.55 | Legorol^ | b) several functions that call each other |
| 15:58.11 | Legorol^ | my guess is in rare cases you cause an infinite recursion |
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| 15:58.32 | JoshBorke | it's gotta be (b) |
| 15:58.44 | Legorol^ | look at the code and try and think of a case in which functions calling each other could end up doing so forever |
| 15:59.11 | Legorol^ | sorry i can't be more helpful :( |
| 15:59.15 | Legorol^ | there is no easy way to debug this one |
| 15:59.29 | JoshBorke | yea :-/ |
| 15:59.45 | AnduinLothar | oh, i did find a way to crash wow |
| 16:00.10 | JoshBorke | at leasty ou can recover from infinite recursion |
| 16:00.14 | JoshBorke | infinite loops...not so much |
| 16:00.18 | AnduinLothar | didn't narrow it down much but it had to do with setting the editbox font size to between 0 and 1 |
| 16:01.59 | JoshBorke | wow, forgot how ugly the original WoW font is |
| 16:02.46 | End | I'd kill Kirkburn if he withheld ClearFont from me |
| 16:02.47 | End | actually |
| 16:02.52 | End | I'd probably write my own |
| 16:02.56 | End | but threatening helps I think |
| 16:03.12 | Kirkburn | It sure does |
| 16:03.18 | End | :P |
| 16:04.39 | Kirkburn | Ah, people who make blank pages on the wiki really annoy me |
| 16:04.46 | End | me too |
| 16:05.04 | Tarog | people who use green post its annoy me |
| 16:05.11 | End | green post? |
| 16:05.12 | Kirkburn | There are so many stubs pages around :( |
| 16:05.20 | Kirkburn | Heh, he doesn't like my green post-it |
| 16:05.24 | End | heh |
| 16:05.25 | Tarog | *green post-its |
| 16:05.38 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/User%20talk:Kirkburn |
| 16:06.06 | Tarog | Post-its are meant to be yellow |
| 16:06.13 | Tarog | you disgrace the post-it name |
| 16:06.28 | Kirkburn | I have a post-it pad next to me, and it's green, white, green, white, and green :) |
| 16:06.48 | Tarog | because people like you |
| 16:06.56 | Tarog | *because of |
| 16:06.57 | Kirkburn | I hope so :) |
| 16:07.09 | Kirkburn | :( I though you were complementing me |
| 16:07.14 | Kirkburn | *thought! |
| 16:07.17 | Tarog | you disgust me |
| 16:07.19 | Tarog | :P |
| 16:07.29 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 16:07.33 | Kirkburn | I love you too |
| 16:08.24 | Tarog | where be Mikk? |
| 16:09.44 | End | speaking of Mikk, I wonder what he plans to do about bitlib |
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| 16:12.11 | AnduinLothar | so... |r doesn't seem to be working in item links |
| 16:13.21 | AnduinLothar | if i convert the line color from AddMessage to a preceding |c tag it colors jsut fine until you hit an item link, then the color after the item link reverts to white, rather than the color you specified at the beginning of the string |
| 16:13.52 | End | well, item links just have their own color tags in them, right? |
| 16:14.06 | AnduinLothar | yeah but they end with |r don't they? |
| 16:14.53 | End | I think so. doesn't |r reset to "normal test" and not the previous color tag? |
| 16:14.58 | End | s/test/text/ |
| 16:16.23 | AnduinLothar | bleh |
| 16:16.30 | AnduinLothar | well found another assertion |
| 16:16.36 | End | :X |
| 16:16.41 | End | you seem to be good at that |
| 16:16.42 | AnduinLothar | Assertion Failed! |
| 16:16.42 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.43 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.43 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.43 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.43 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:16.56 | AnduinLothar | SetSpacing with a negative |
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| 16:17.10 | AnduinLothar | it doesn't liek that |
| 16:17.20 | End | I swear |
| 16:17.23 | End | you're worse than Tem |
| 16:17.43 | Tem_ | What'd I do? |
| 16:17.55 | End | Tem_: get back to breaking WoW, kthx |
| 16:18.01 | Tem_ | ah |
| 16:18.03 | End | You're getting beat by AnduinLothar |
| 16:18.10 | SinePi | .app? do I smell an apple..? |
| 16:18.19 | Tem_ | I haven't loaded up wow for anything other than a @#$@ing raid in the past month |
| 16:18.28 | AnduinLothar | even tho EditBox:SetSpacing(0) looks 1 pixal bigger than ScrollingMessageFrame:SetSpacing(0) |
| 16:18.46 | AnduinLothar | EditBox:SetSpacing(-1) is an assertion |
| 16:18.57 | End | so that's why I haven't seen any "slouken, I crash WoW" posts recently >_< |
| 16:19.41 | AnduinLothar | and EditBox:SetFont("realfont", .5) crashed wow |
| 16:21.24 | Kirkburn | Sometimes I really wonder about some people ... http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Krakken |
| 16:22.56 | Kirkburn | In fact, how do you suggest I deal with this gem: http://www.wowwiki.com/Zalazane%27s_Rebels |
| 16:23.42 | Tem | End, have you updated yatlas lately? |
| 16:24.00 | End | Tem: I have a betaish version out |
| 16:24.13 | End | it's only on ui.worldofwar because I am lazy though |
| 16:24.21 | AnduinLothar | gonna have a directional arrow come 1.11? |
| 16:24.29 | Tem | why 1.11? |
| 16:24.34 | Tem | it's doable now |
| 16:24.50 | AnduinLothar | ok.. now? |
| 16:25.18 | End | hmm |
| 16:26.31 | Legorol^ | by directional arrow, do you mean an arrow that points between two chosen points on the screen? |
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| 16:27.48 | AnduinLothar | no, i mean your current facing direction |
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| 16:35.38 | Kirkburn | Wow, some people are so arrogant ... guy writes a new wiki article, then ... "I have started a new page and seing as how you are leader of the bookkeeper community, I want you to look over it at least weekly. Thank you." |
| 16:36.23 | krka | heh |
| 16:37.14 | Kirkburn | Not to mention this guy has already attempted to twist articles to fit in his fan fiction |
| 16:37.24 | AnduinLothar | ask him how much he's paying for someone with as prestigous a position as yourself |
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| 16:38.04 | Kirkburn | lol (I'm not the leader he was referring to, btw) |
| 16:39.06 | AnduinLothar | Legorol, how were you adding OnClick focus to the ScrollFrames? You can't seem to give them mouse control |
| 16:50.09 | Kirkburn | Don't know if this has alreayd been brought up, but near confirmation of patch 2moro: http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-dungeons/565883.htm |
| 16:50.28 | Wobin | woo |
| 16:50.31 | Wobin | .. tomorrow |
| 16:50.36 | Wobin | tomorrow is tuesday |
| 16:50.38 | Wobin | bah |
| 16:50.40 | Wobin | Where has time gone? |
| 16:51.05 | End | uh oh |
| 16:52.46 | Kirkburn | Also, new virus: http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/8747542.htm |
| 16:53.31 | End | I saw tha ttoo |
| 16:53.40 | End | it's just a trojan though, nothing special |
| 16:54.34 | Kirkburn | Mornin', Cairenn |
| 16:54.40 | Cairenn | hey |
| 16:54.45 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 16:54.51 | End | moooooooooo. |
| 16:56.10 | Kirkburn | moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.. |
| 16:57.03 | End | you have a ooooooooooooooo key? nuts, I only have a oooo key |
| 16:57.13 | AnduinLothar | i just have an 'o' |
| 16:57.24 | AnduinLothar | an di had to hit it twice |
| 16:57.28 | End | hehe |
| 16:57.45 | End | I hit mine 2 and a half times. |
| 16:58.07 | Kirkburn | He's got a light touch, has End |
| 16:58.11 | End | :P |
| 16:59.24 | Tem | anyone here manage to copy a character to the PTR that was revered with AD? |
| 16:59.41 | End | yes...but... |
| 16:59.49 | End | I just use mr. weaksauce's auto attunement |
| 16:59.50 | Tem | you didn't try it |
| 17:00.02 | End | and then... |
| 17:00.06 | End | I never actually did naxx |
| 17:00.14 | Tem | I just wanna know if revered people get faction from killing the invasion mobs |
| 17:00.20 | End | oh |
| 17:00.22 | Tem | I know honored does, but not sure on revered |
| 17:00.33 | End | from what I hear the answer is no, but I didn't actually try |
| 17:00.39 | End | I mostly sat in orgrimmar |
| 17:00.40 | Tem | fiddlesticks |
| 17:00.50 | End | orgrimmar is where I belong! |
| 17:01.02 | Tem | I spent a bit of time doing the invasion stuff |
| 17:01.04 | Tem | it was fun |
| 17:01.14 | Tem | I tried to kill an entire spawn point on my mage |
| 17:01.23 | End | success? or failure? |
| 17:01.25 | Tem | couldn't do it because of extra mobs |
| 17:01.29 | End | ah |
| 17:01.37 | Tem | I was able to kill half of one though |
| 17:01.40 | Tem | roughly 40 mobs |
| 17:02.05 | Tem | I should have gone to Tanaris where any mobs that would agro me wouldn't have been an issue |
| 17:02.34 | Tem | but I did it in Azshara so I got burned by those damn mobs with a snare |
| 17:02.36 | End | oh, I did go there, come to think of it |
| 17:02.46 | End | I don't remember killing anything |
| 17:03.24 | Tem | well, if you ever make it out there, something you might like to know: |
| 17:03.27 | End | (I was curious why Yatlas was showing "Under Attack" points, which had to come from the landmark data) |
| 17:03.59 | Tem | Getting hit by 90ish level 60 mobs at once kills a mage *fast* |
| 17:04.07 | Kirkburn | I wouldn't be surprised if the PTRs have 1.12 on them pretty soon |
| 17:04.12 | MoonWolf | it kills most classes fast. |
| 17:04.15 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 17:04.22 | MoonWolf | i have a feeling 1.12 is pretty well underway |
| 17:04.24 | End | yes, but mages get killed the fastest ;p |
| 17:04.31 | Tem | also, an extra mob snaring you so you can't kite properly gets you killed |
| 17:04.32 | End | I think so too |
| 17:04.34 | Tem | every |
| 17:04.35 | Tem | fucking |
| 17:04.36 | Tem | time |
| 17:04.45 | End | slouken has probably been busy all this time working on 1.12 :P |
| 17:04.50 | MoonWolf | only class that could survive that for an extended period of time is paladin. |
| 17:05.13 | End | and ears |
| 17:05.15 | End | and mouth |
| 17:05.20 | End | and nose |
| 17:05.21 | MoonWolf | and nose |
| 17:05.28 | Tem | anyway, if you had a bit of help to keep the adds off of you, the entire spawn point killing is totally doable |
| 17:05.29 | Kirkburn | Ah, yes, both of them |
| 17:05.54 | MoonWolf | tem, i suggest a hunter and or a priest and the honour farming can begin! |
| 17:05.55 | End | s/suffac/suffoc/ |
| 17:05.59 | MoonWolf | rep |
| 17:06.05 | MoonWolf | every party memeber gets full rep |
| 17:06.06 | End | doh, purl don't like emotes I guess |
| 17:06.11 | MoonWolf | so no efficienty problems. |
| 17:06.20 | Kirkburn | :/ |
| 17:06.33 | Kirkburn | Anyone know why there's a AD guy in Dun Morough in a small hut? |
| 17:06.48 | End | because he can't afford a large hut? |
| 17:07.00 | End | <-- too silly? |
| 17:07.11 | Tem | oooh, a hunter with a frost trap would rock for this |
| 17:07.36 | End | frost trap is the slowing one, right? |
| 17:07.44 | MoonWolf | yes |
| 17:07.46 | Tem|Work | End, I meant whichever is the slowing one |
| 17:07.49 | Tem|Work | I'm not actually sure |
| 17:07.49 | MoonWolf | thats why i suggested hunter. |
| 17:08.07 | MoonWolf | the frost trap is the huge white aread slowing effect trap |
| 17:08.13 | End | yeah, okay |
| 17:08.15 | MoonWolf | 40% reduction. |
| 17:08.15 | End | I wasn't sure. |
| 17:08.18 | Kirkburn | <-- not silly enough! |
| 17:08.24 | End | <-- sillier than thou! |
| 17:08.45 | MoonWolf | <- so silly, people think im serious! |
| 17:09.31 | Kirkburn | I see, so far around the crazy circle, you're back to sane :) |
| 17:09.31 | MoonWolf | yes |
| 17:09.45 | Kirkburn | See, that reminds me ... what's the opposite of drunk? |
| 17:09.56 | Wobin | 40% reduction plus chance to ensnare with talents |
| 17:09.59 | Wobin | Veeery useful |
| 17:10.19 | Wobin | I should go running around with a frostmage... see what we can AoE |
| 17:10.30 | Tem|Work | any mage can do it |
| 17:10.31 | Wobin | Or maybe a frost and fire mage |
| 17:10.33 | Tem|Work | as long as they don't suck |
| 17:10.36 | Wobin | yeah |
| 17:10.42 | Wobin | 1.11 has new talents too |
| 17:10.47 | Tem|Work | actually, a fire mage is probably better if they have blast wave |
| 17:10.50 | Kirkburn | Take a level one priest ... as long as they don't suck! |
| 17:10.55 | Wobin | yeah that slows too =) |
| 17:11.58 | Wobin | Tem! |
| 17:12.06 | Wobin | Advise me on how to level up a mage in 1.11! |
| 17:12.17 | Wobin | he's only level 23 or so atm |
| 17:12.33 | Wobin | What skills should I learn to be able to do? |
| 17:12.36 | End | hey, mine is around that level too! |
| 17:12.43 | Wobin | (and by skills I mean non spell skills, like kiting for hunters etc) |
| 17:12.45 | Kirkburn | Mine is level 7 |
| 17:13.33 | End | what the hell, another main hand feral druid weapon? |
| 17:13.42 | End | http://thottbot.com/test?i=53586 |
| 17:15.58 | Wobin | That's a ... very ... complex looking weapon |
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| 17:21.02 | AnduinLothar | :) my new money making scheme, buy out bloodsoul mats on my over populated high end raiding server and sell the pieces on the AH for people to pay lots of money to put on their new 60 alts |
| 17:21.44 | AnduinLothar | might work for darksoul too, but i think bloodsoul is a better set |
| 17:22.34 | MoonWolf | Bloodsoul ? darksoul ? |
| 17:22.51 | AnduinLothar | the zg rep smithing plans |
| 17:22.56 | MoonWolf | ah |
| 17:23.27 | MoonWolf | Seeign as blades of the hakkari and stuff are still rare on my server. |
| 17:24.30 | AnduinLothar | I can buyout the mats for bloodsoul gauntlets for less than 100g and turn aroudn and sell the gloves for 150-200g |
| 17:24.50 | End | nice |
| 17:25.02 | AnduinLothar | onyl cause no one knows where they come from, lol |
| 17:25.08 | End | I finally hit exalted with ZG recently >_< |
| 17:25.18 | AnduinLothar | and they're liek the only lvl 60 mail bow gloves |
| 17:25.28 | AnduinLothar | other than tier 1 |
| 17:27.10 | Kirkburn | Tseric's holiday: http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/8748270.htm |
| 17:27.59 | Kirkburn | Yay! I like his ytmnd |
| 17:28.22 | Kirkburn | (the music anyway, The Avalanches rock) |
| 17:30.20 | AnduinLothar | ok, converting line offset to pixel offset is nearly impossible given line wrapping |
| 17:30.29 | Wobin | frontier psychiatrist? |
| 17:30.31 | Wobin | =) |
| 17:30.34 | Wobin | (That's a guess) |
| 17:30.43 | Kirkburn | :) yeah |
| 17:30.43 | Kebinusan | god I havent heard that song in forever |
| 17:30.52 | Kebinusan | That girl needs therapy |
| 17:30.57 | Kebinusan | or something like that |
| 17:31.05 | Kirkburn | Boy :P |
| 17:31.10 | AnduinLothar | and I can't just cound collumns for find the # of lines either due to color codes and item links |
| 17:31.13 | Kebinusan | ah yes, boy |
| 17:31.49 | Kirkburn | I wants a new Avalanches album *impatient foot stamping* |
| 17:32.18 | Wobin | wow |
| 17:32.22 | Wobin | that's mesmerising |
| 17:37.34 | AnduinLothar | i need therapy |
| 17:37.46 | AnduinLothar | or at least sleep |
| 17:38.23 | Wobin | Purely psychosomatic |
| 17:41.37 | SinePi | psychosomatic addict-insane! |
| 17:42.26 | AnduinLothar | all of the above |
| 17:42.32 | Kirkburn | Ooh, that reminds me ... Buy Psychonauts! |
| 17:42.36 | Wobin | That boy needs therapy |
| 17:43.19 | Kirkburn | The video for Frontier Psychiatrist is great :D |
| 17:43.57 | Kirkburn | Sometimes a parrot talks :) |
| 17:44.27 | Legorol | at last! figured out why i can't log into WoW beta forums |
| 17:44.27 | Kirkburn | Yay! |
| 17:44.27 | Legorol | guess what... same stupid issue with my ISP |
| 17:44.27 | AnduinLothar | Wobin wants to try a workign ChatEdit |
| 17:44.29 | Legorol | the transparent proxies mess it up |
| 17:44.29 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 17:44.40 | Kirkburn | Bloody NTL |
| 17:44.45 | Legorol | it's not that unexpected, i had the exact same issue with logging into thottbot |
| 17:44.56 | Legorol | in fact any site that uses a combination of http and https just breaks under NTL |
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| 17:45.21 | AnduinLothar | national tennis league? |
| 17:45.27 | Wobin | Sorry AL, I'm working on reworking some of the code on PlowKing atm =) |
| 17:45.37 | krka | NTL? |
| 17:45.38 | Kirkburn | Yes, AnduinLothar, his ISP is the National Tennis League |
| 17:45.56 | AnduinLothar | Legorol has wow access? |
| 17:46.18 | Kirkburn | He can only play leather ball throwing :) |
| 17:46.41 | Wobin | er, that archive was corrupt =( |
| 17:47.14 | zenzelezz | offer it some gold |
| 17:47.19 | Kirkburn | (NTL is a UK ISP, like BT) |
| 17:47.28 | AnduinLothar | bit torrent? |
| 17:47.53 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Mod Dev Discussions. 1.11 goes live |
| 17:48.02 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 17:48.02 | AnduinLothar | orly? |
| 17:48.03 | Kirkburn | You die now. |
| 17:48.08 | SinePi | 1.11 goes live? where, eh? |
| 17:48.12 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Mod Dev Discussions. 1.11 goes live 20 June unless something goes wrong. |
| 17:48.21 | AnduinLothar | BOOM! |
| 17:48.21 | Kirkburn | Oooh, she got confirmation ... |
| 17:48.30 | AnduinLothar | all lies |
| 17:49.05 | Kirkburn | You should ahve changed it to "1.11 goes live .... yesterday! Haha!" |
| 17:49.08 | SinePi | so far many things went wrong... |
| 17:49.15 | SinePi | like, the global LFG channel... |
| 17:49.21 | SinePi | that's wrong in so many ways... |
| 17:49.39 | Wobin | AL: What do I do to activate it again? |
| 17:50.05 | AnduinLothar | shift-click a chat window |
| 17:50.49 | Wobin | [4. LookingForGroup] [Mourming]: LF2M for LBRS need tank and healer pst |
| 17:50.51 | Wobin | woo |
| 17:50.59 | Wobin | Although it does appear to 'black out' white text |
| 17:51.08 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 17:51.31 | Wobin | ah, not white text |
| 17:51.36 | Wobin | yellowish text |
| 17:52.10 | Wobin | ah, and if I'm not scrolled to the bottom, it overlays the scrollframe |
| 17:52.11 | Kirkburn | I always wondered, isn't 'pst' kinda redundant? |
| 17:52.12 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 17:52.26 | Wobin | please send tell? |
| 17:52.33 | Kirkburn | No-one says it on EU servers |
| 17:52.33 | AnduinLothar | mmm, more descriptive |
| 17:52.57 | zenzelezz | I see a lot of "/w me" instead |
| 17:52.58 | Wobin | if I'm not scrolled to the bottom before shift-clicking, the editbox scrolls to the top, but the messageframe continues to work as usual |
| 17:53.12 | Kirkburn | (I actually thought it was about Pacific Standard Time) |
| 17:53.52 | AnduinLothar | right, the scrolling doesn't really sync, it should always go to the top, spose i could make it always the bottom |
| 17:54.08 | Cairenn | Fight the system! Rebel against the man! Down with PST! PSCP instead! |
| 17:54.24 | krka | SSH Copy? |
| 17:54.33 | Wobin | also, if I use pageup, it scrolls the chatframe (active one) rather than the editbox |
| 17:54.48 | End | well |
| 17:54.50 | Wobin | which again overlays itself |
| 17:54.52 | End | putty's ssh copy maybe |
| 17:55.01 | krka | what is PST? |
| 17:55.07 | krka | pacific standard time? |
| 17:55.09 | Wobin | pacific standard time? |
| 17:55.09 | Cairenn | Please send tell |
| 17:55.17 | End | party says tim |
| 17:55.26 | AnduinLothar | ah right... use the scroll wheel of the scroll bar |
| 17:55.26 | Cairenn | became standard back in EQ |
| 17:55.38 | AnduinLothar | or* |
| 17:55.39 | krka | poop swallowed. tasty! |
| 17:55.53 | End | krka wins and loses at the same time. |
| 17:56.03 | End | mostly loses though I think |
| 17:56.05 | krka | we are all winners when there is poop |
| 17:56.48 | krka | PSCP = Please Send Coins and Pennies? |
| 17:56.51 | Wobin | I'll try to get you some screenshots |
| 17:56.52 | Kirkburn | Please ...I'm about to eat |
| 17:57.11 | Cairenn | Please send carrier pigeon |
| 17:57.23 | krka | i see |
| 17:57.38 | End | pass salt, corn, pepper? |
| 17:57.42 | krka | i got rudely disconnected just now. my brother needs to start paying for his account |
| 17:57.46 | Cairenn | I got sick of PST back in EQ, so I would always shout that little spiel whenever I saw it |
| 17:57.53 | zenzelezz | please send crispy parchment |
| 17:58.20 | krka | Please Stay, Cookies Provided! |
| 17:58.30 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:58.35 | zenzelezz | I don't think I'd trust krka's cookies anymore |
| 17:58.48 | End | Pale Susan Cooks Pie |
| 17:59.15 | AnduinLothar | booze? |
| 17:59.43 | End | Bobby Obstacle Owns Zee Ear? |
| 18:01.07 | Tem | wow.. you guys are a new kind of bored; aren't you? |
| 18:01.15 | End | maybe? |
| 18:01.24 | krka | i am |
| 18:01.39 | krka | i wonder if there's any good soccer game tonight |
| 18:01.42 | krka | err. football |
| 18:01.43 | krka | sorry |
| 18:01.56 | krka | Spain - Tunisia... hm |
| 18:02.13 | End | FUSSBALL??? |
| 18:02.32 | End | oh, Cairenn left, now we can party hard! |
| 18:02.54 | krka | w00t! |
| 18:03.24 | Tem | I need something to make farming silithid husks more bearable |
| 18:03.26 | Tarog | there's a solitaire addon |
| 18:03.52 | Tem | gosh, I haven't even opened my text editor in forever |
| 18:03.52 | Kirkburn | krka ... whose? |
| 18:03.54 | Tem | I feel bad |
| 18:03.57 | MoonWolf | tem, write something that activated aimedshot spell countdowns. |
| 18:04.04 | Tem | no |
| 18:04.04 | krka | that's for you to know and me to find out! |
| 18:04.07 | Tem | I hate hunters |
| 18:04.10 | Tem | hunters can die |
| 18:04.14 | End | tem, write me WAFFLES |
| 18:04.21 | Tem | what does WAFFLES do? |
| 18:04.28 | End | I'm not sure |
| 18:04.32 | Tem | lol |
| 18:04.33 | End | you can figure that part out I am sure |
| 18:04.41 | Tem | I think I'm going to call my item tracker WAFFLES |
| 18:04.45 | End | lol |
| 18:04.54 | Tem | just becase I'm sick of waiting to write it |
| 18:05.04 | Tem | (and I still don't have a name that pleases |
| 18:05.06 | Tem | ) |
| 18:06.20 | Tem | screw it |
| 18:06.22 | Tem | WAFFLES it is |
| 18:06.40 | End | hehe |
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| 18:07.11 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 18:07.19 | End | why hello Iriel! |
| 18:07.57 | Tem | behold! |
| 18:08.03 | Legorol | hi Iriel |
| 18:08.05 | krka | and that concludes my lecture on the suckage of Iriel's .... oops, i'll just delete this line and hope i dont accidently hit ent |
| 18:08.10 | Legorol | you do realise you will be stormed by questions? |
| 18:08.29 | Legorol | rofl @ krka |
| 18:08.35 | Tem | ~exception Iriel |
| 18:08.37 | purl | ACTION throws a NullPointerException at Iriel. |
| 18:08.59 | AnduinLothar | how esceptional |
| 18:09.01 | Tem | how is life in Java 4 land? |
| 18:10.43 | AnduinLothar | ok, 2nd time i've fallen asleep in front of the computer, time to move to bed |
| 18:11.09 | Legorol | i love the new timezone selections on the beta forums |
| 18:11.12 | Legorol | and the working search |
| 18:11.16 | Legorol | but the timezones top it all |
| 18:11.23 | Legorol | you can set what timezone you are in, and whether you use DST or not |
| 18:11.25 | Legorol | woot |
| 18:11.28 | Iriel | Life continues to be far too busy, but there's a dim glow at the end of the tunnel. |
| 18:11.30 | Legorol | it's bound to cause tons of confusion |
| 18:11.36 | Legorol | Iriel: keep at it ;_) |
| 18:12.09 | MoonWolf | the new forums needs a sleep schedual indicator too. |
| 18:12.10 | Tem | the teacher will come in put you in time out! |
| 18:12.15 | zenzelezz | I used to get that from my sound card drivers |
| 18:12.46 | AnduinLothar | in the mean time iriel gets to solve the problem of trying to convert ScrollingMessageFrame offest (in lins from the bottom) into ScrollFrame offset (pixels from the top) given a large quantity og chat text lines and dynamic line wrapping based on frame width. |
| 18:13.26 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Is that even possible without lots of behind the scenes FontString hackery? |
| 18:13.35 | AnduinLothar | not afaik |
| 18:13.36 | Iriel | Or I guess a second hidden ScrollingMessageFrame |
| 18:13.53 | AnduinLothar | no idea how you would do it |
| 18:13.58 | AnduinLothar | the same text is in both |
| 18:14.11 | AnduinLothar | need to sync the offset |
| 18:14.21 | Iriel | Well, you'd omit the last N lines from the hidden one, and see how tall it is |
| 18:14.23 | AnduinLothar | from the SMF to the SF |
| 18:14.46 | AnduinLothar | cept i dunno if you can do that |
| 18:15.13 | Iriel | I think it'd be ugly, you'd have to clear and re-populate, etc |
| 18:15.18 | AnduinLothar | will ScrollingMessageFrame increase in height if you add messages too it without specifying the height? |
| 18:15.40 | Iriel | I dont know, but it was the best I could think of! |
| 18:15.48 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 18:17.58 | Iriel | You know, one of the things I notice from doing WoW UI stuff is it really messes up my expectations on more standard 'business' tools like Oracle |
| 18:18.13 | Tem | hah |
| 18:19.10 | Wobin | expectations for things to work, or not work? =P |
| 18:19.49 | Iriel | Well, in today's case, how quickly things should work |
| 18:20.10 | Iriel | Though, as with all things oracle, it's probably just a matter of "tuning".. bleugh |
| 18:20.34 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.49 | Kirkburn | What an unpleasant shade of green! |
| 18:22.44 | Legorol | Iriel, I have a question for you if you happen to know the answer. In 1.11 changes thread it says: |
| 18:22.44 | Legorol | Virtual frame definitions will remain in memory after the initial XML parse pass, and can be accessed from updated CreateFrame/CreateFontString/CreateTexture methods. |
| 18:23.00 | Legorol | a) Are virtuals from the normal load available for LOD AddOns? |
| 18:23.06 | cladhaire | a legorol question is worth three normal people questions =) |
| 18:23.18 | Legorol | b) Are virtuals defined in LOD AddOns available for CreateFrame etc.? |
| 18:23.27 | Legorol | If you have no idea, don't worry, i'll test it later when i have ptr access |
| 18:23.28 | End | so Iriel is worth three normal people? |
| 18:23.35 | Legorol | at least! |
| 18:23.39 | End | hehe :P |
| 18:24.03 | Thrae | Can Iriel ask a question that even he cannot answer? |
| 18:24.38 | Iriel | a) Yes |
| 18:24.39 | Iriel | b) Yes |
| 18:24.56 | End | hmm, I would have guessed yes on both. |
| 18:25.01 | End | just based on what makes sense |
| 18:25.11 | Iriel | (In (b) I assume you've executed the .xml before you try the CreateFrame) |
| 18:25.21 | Iriel | Standard precedence rules apply, also, in the case of collisions. |
| 18:25.35 | End | signed always overrules, doesn't it? |
| 18:25.57 | End | (I think I remember reading that it did) |
| 18:26.02 | Iriel | i.e. If a virtual frame already exists with the given name, then it will be kept, UNLESS the existing one is not signed, and the new one is signed. |
| 18:26.16 | Legorol | In b) i was thinking of loading a LOD addon with suitable XML, and then using virtuals from that in code in other addons |
| 18:26.27 | Iriel | That should work just fine then lego |
| 18:26.33 | Legorol | cool |
| 18:26.39 | Legorol | so we can keep a template library in the form of LOD |
| 18:26.58 | Legorol | because what i gather from this change is that WoW now has to use memory to store all virtuals ever defined |
| 18:27.09 | Legorol | ok |
| 18:27.11 | Iriel | Well, all the ones it keeps |
| 18:27.17 | Legorol | ehm.. |
| 18:27.22 | Iriel | If you define the same one 20 times, it only keeps one |
| 18:27.23 | Legorol | which ones wouldn't it keep? |
| 18:27.26 | Legorol | oh right |
| 18:27.32 | Thrae | Does anyone happen to have dynamic code laying around based on CharacterFrameTab ? |
| 18:27.47 | End | it'll probably spit out a nice error to you in Logs/FrameXML.log too :P |
| 18:30.43 | Wobin | Kirkburn: Are you British? |
| 18:31.33 | Kirkburn | Yep, I is British :) |
| 18:31.58 | Wobin | Figures =P |
| 18:32.07 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 18:33.00 | Kaso | I'm looking into CreateFrame for the first time, but i cant work out how to make a frame with an inheritance, help please :> |
| 18:33.57 | Iriel | Kaso: You can't until 1.11 |
| 18:34.03 | Kaso | damn |
| 18:34.17 | Kaso | thats silly |
| 18:34.23 | Iriel | Kaso: But, if you're looking at 1.11, it's CreateFrame("FrameType", "FrameName", ParentObject, "TemplateName"); |
| 18:34.25 | Wobin | Just wait til tomorrow =) |
| 18:34.27 | Iriel | Not really. |
| 18:34.40 | Iriel | Not really silly, that is. |
| 18:34.48 | Kaso | wednesdays attually, and why not/ |
| 18:34.52 | End | until now, virtuals were thrown away after load |
| 18:35.03 | Kaso | hmm, i did not know that |
| 18:35.32 | End | well, I'm speaking from a "it most makes sense from the way things work" standpoint |
| 18:36.13 | End | LoadOnDemand addons had to include particular xml files in order to gain access to their templates |
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| 19:13.50 | JoshBorke | hi Cairenn |
| 19:13.51 | JoshBorke | :-) |
| 19:13.55 | End | uh oh |
| 19:13.57 | End | stop the party |
| 19:14.00 | End | Cairenn is back |
| 19:14.02 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:15.01 | JoshBorke | Who here has done work parsing the GameTooltip/ |
| 19:15.23 | Wobin | Ask that in a couple of days =) |
| 19:16.01 | JoshBorke | glol |
| 19:16.06 | JoshBorke | but i want an answer now! :D |
| 19:16.38 | krka | i think we all have |
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| 19:17.18 | JoshBorke | i can successfully parse all the data, but then when i try to add a line to the tooltip, nothing shows up :-( |
| 19:17.30 | JoshBorke | i don't get invited either |
| 19:17.34 | JoshBorke | i think i might smell |
| 19:17.46 | Beladona | effective tooltip parsing is like initiation into the AddOn Dev Alumni methinks |
| 19:18.12 | Beladona | although I think effective is a misnomer |
| 19:18.24 | Beladona | since by it's very nature it seems inneffective |
| 19:18.29 | Wobin | non-overloading is a possiblity =) |
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| 19:22.45 | Kirkburn | lol, hello |
| 19:22.46 | krka | am i the only one who thinks tooltips isn't inefficient? :) |
| 19:23.22 | Beladona | I see tooltip scanning as querying queried data |
| 19:23.31 | Mikk1 | No, I don't think [[Interface Customization]] should have a link to Category:AddOns, for two reasons: |
| 19:23.34 | Beladona | which just seems inneficient to me, no matter how you look at it |
| 19:23.45 | Mikk1 | 1. Interface Customization contains developer resources. Category:AddOns is a user resource. |
| 19:24.05 | Mikk1 | 2. Category:AddOns is a bloody joke. It contains 0.01% of addons out there, and at least 2/3rds are horribly outdated |
| 19:24.21 | Beladona | did I miss something? |
| 19:24.21 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 19:24.25 | End | yes, but we all missed something |
| 19:24.25 | Beladona | or is this part of another chat? |
| 19:24.26 | Mikk1 | Pardon, continuing a wiki discussion =) |
| 19:24.32 | End | :P |
| 19:24.37 | Kirkburn | I just poked him to come on here |
| 19:25.11 | Beladona | I do agree with that though |
| 19:25.15 | Kirkburn | I just reorganised the whole Addons section of the wiki, so that's something. I added a link from the AddOns page, so that should be enough |
| 19:25.21 | End | yeah, I agree too |
| 19:25.38 | Mikk1 | Oho |
| 19:25.45 | Mikk1 | (still don't think it belongs there =)) |
| 19:25.45 | Beladona | I feel like the wiki should cover base ui, not addons |
| 19:25.51 | Wobin | hm, is there any way to find the previous stack function in lua? |
| 19:25.52 | Beladona | creating addons sure |
| 19:26.02 | Kirkburn | I agree ... I basically got rid of the pointless addon lists |
| 19:26.06 | Wobin | (or at least in WoW) |
| 19:26.14 | Mikk1 | In WoW... not so easy.. you have the debugstack() thingy. |
| 19:26.21 | Wobin | hm |
| 19:26.25 | Mikk1 | But you can't go and look and its variables and stuff like you can in regular Lua |
| 19:26.37 | Wobin | so I do... |
| 19:26.55 | Wobin | Well all I need is the name of the previous function, so it may do the trick |
| 19:26.57 | Kirkburn | (Hmm, I'll change a link on our new main page then) |
| 19:30.28 | Legorol | yay, these are the things that make me happy |
| 19:30.49 | Legorol | following my troubleshooting post on the beta forums, two people that had login issues have managed to log in |
| 19:31.13 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 19:31.21 | Legorol | one of them is Anvilbeard, those of you in the EU must've heard of him :) |
| 19:31.33 | JoshBorke | hrm, so i can't do something like: 'GameTooltip:AddLine('bah humbug')' then 'GameTooltip:Show()' and have 'bah humbug' show up on the tooltip? |
| 19:31.43 | Legorol | JoshBorke: yes you can |
| 19:31.49 | Legorol | it just depends on what you have before AddLine |
| 19:31.53 | JoshBorke | i just tried with 0 addons and was denied |
| 19:31.54 | Legorol | make sure your tooltip has an owner |
| 19:32.04 | Legorol | did you call SetOwner before AddLine? |
| 19:32.07 | JoshBorke | i've got my mouse over an item on the character frame |
| 19:32.15 | Legorol | ah i see |
| 19:32.19 | Legorol | yeah that should work |
| 19:32.23 | Legorol | oh wait |
| 19:32.36 | Legorol | actually i think the character frame is one of those silly places where the tooltip is refreshed OnUpdate |
| 19:32.40 | Thrae | Hmmm. What's wrong with if not frame:IsVisible() then frame:Show() end ? It seems to always try to re-show the frame, even if it's already shown. |
| 19:33.11 | Legorol | Thrae: you know the difference between IsVisible and IsShwon |
| 19:33.18 | Legorol | could that be the issue? |
| 19:33.32 | Thrae | Yeah, I tried both and got the same result on the PTR. |
| 19:33.38 | JoshBorke | ( Legorol ): so what do i do? |
| 19:33.46 | Legorol | JoshBorke: let me check blizz ui code |
| 19:34.47 | Legorol | JoshBorke, you are talking about the paperdollframe, right? |
| 19:34.55 | Legorol | the character sheet that comes up when you press C |
| 19:35.03 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 19:35.14 | Legorol | hm, that one does indeed get refreshed every OnUpdate |
| 19:35.29 | Legorol | have a look at PaperDollItemSlotButton_OnEnter() in PaperDollFrame.lua |
| 19:35.35 | Legorol | that's the function that gets called every OnUpdate |
| 19:35.44 | Legorol | maybe you can hook it and do your AddLine afterwards |
| 19:35.58 | JoshBorke | ok, thanks legorol :-) |
| 19:35.59 | Legorol | but there's no easy solution |
| 19:36.26 | Legorol | alternatively, you can have your own OnUpdate handler, |
| 19:36.30 | Legorol | and have an AddLine in there |
| 19:36.41 | Legorol | your OnUpdate will get called after the Blizz one, afaik |
| 19:37.00 | JoshBorke | i might just remove the functionality :-) |
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| 19:37.06 | Legorol | just make sure that you only do an AddLine if the mouse is over the paperdollframe or the bag |
| 19:37.11 | Legorol | otherwise you will keep adding lines |
| 19:37.12 | Beladona | Thrae: what frame are you running that logic on? |
| 19:37.37 | Legorol | Thrae: btw i tried the macro and function you were mentioning theother day |
| 19:37.42 | Legorol | i couldn't reproduce your issue |
| 19:37.47 | Legorol | tried it with 60 druid on PTR |
| 19:38.02 | Legorol | made a macro with the two lines that is in the comment block above Thrae_Mauler |
| 19:38.10 | Legorol | i spammed the macro and it worked fine |
| 19:40.20 | Iriel | One problem doing simple experiments using mouseover tooltips is most of them get refreshed |
| 19:40.33 | Iriel | (And Thrae, is |
| 19:40.52 | Iriel | it's IsShown / Show(), otherwise you'll spam it forever if the parent is not visible) |
| 19:41.18 | Iriel | (Hm, scrolled to the bottom now, and I think lego got most of that anyway) |
| 19:41.21 | JoshBorke | ( Legorol ): making my own OnUpdate didn't work |
| 19:41.29 | Beladona | he said he tried IsShown but it behaved the same |
| 19:41.48 | Beladona | was trying to find out where he was using it, but he hasn't replied yet |
| 19:42.58 | Iriel | JoshBorke : Did you check that your OnUpdate frame is actually visible? |
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| 19:43.08 | JoshBorke | ( Iriel ): hehe...brb |
| 19:44.31 | Thrae | Legorol: I wasn't testing that function on PTR, maybe it was an issue they silently fixed. But anyway, that function has more issues then just that, so I need to work on it some more ;) |
| 19:44.57 | Legorol | it would've been nice to find out what was causing it though |
| 19:45.10 | Legorol | if you can reproduce it under 1.11, i'd be curious |
| 19:45.23 | Legorol | Iriel: since you weren't here yet when i ranted about this, you might be amused by this: |
| 19:45.27 | JoshBorke | ( Iriel ): yea, it's shown and called |
| 19:45.32 | Legorol | you know how i couldn't download Vista because my ISP uses transparent proxies? |
| 19:45.41 | Thrae | Iriel: I thought this:IsVisible() is akin to (this:IsShown() and this:GetParent():IsVisible()) ? |
| 19:45.48 | Legorol | well, jolly good luck, the transparent proxies screw up access to the beta WoW forums |
| 19:46.01 | Legorol | so i couldn't log into them until it hit me that it might be the proxies |
| 19:46.08 | Legorol | i am now thoroughly hating my ISP |
| 19:46.22 | Thrae | Iriel: At least, that's what it says on WoWWiki. |
| 19:46.28 | Legorol | Thrae: it is |
| 19:46.28 | Beladona | thats funny |
| 19:46.34 | Beladona | well, for us, not you |
| 19:46.47 | Legorol | this one was straightforward to get around, so not too bad |
| 19:47.00 | Legorol | i just had to explicitly set the proxy in the browser, so that not only http but https goes through it as well |
| 19:47.03 | Thrae | Once the PTR is back up, I'll see what's going on. |
| 19:47.11 | Legorol | Thrae: chances our, it won't be back |
| 19:47.15 | Legorol | since 1.11 is probably coming tomorrow |
| 19:47.25 | Legorol | *our->are |
| 19:48.04 | Thrae | They have their own internal test servers though, why bring down the PTR? To make sure people don't find issues to delay 1.11's release? |
| 19:48.58 | Thrae | "Quick, bring down the test servers! We want to release 1.11 tommorrow and there's a massive bug that makes you /dance continously if you /kiss any of the Naxx bosses!" |
| 19:49.30 | Beladona | don't they usually take it down prior to a release anyway? |
| 19:50.00 | End | they've taken it down up to a week or two before a release |
| 19:50.03 | End | in the past |
| 19:50.14 | Thrae | Right, to make sure people don't find massive issues to delay their release schedule. |
| 19:50.50 | End | didn't they delay it a few weeks ago due to a massive issue? |
| 19:51.11 | Thrae | Well maybe not massive issues, just regular issues. |
| 19:51.47 | Thrae | Otherwise people will complain that the regular issues are new and should be fixed first, when they could just be post-patched in 1.111 ;) |
| 19:52.03 | End | I think it just may be that there haven't been any signficant new bugs recently, and thet don't want to bother maintaining the ptr unless they have to |
| 19:52.51 | Thrae | Well, I guess this gives me a break coding today, since right now I'm doing trial-and-error. |
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| 19:53.15 | Beladona | seems alarlmist to me. No offense. they are usually pretty good about squaching bugs before patch day |
| 19:53.27 | Beladona | or they try to be |
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| 19:53.34 | End | they try |
| 19:53.40 | Kirkburn | Just think .. the long patch test period can only be a good thing |
| 19:53.45 | Thrae | I wasn't saying it was a bad thing, Beladona. |
| 19:53.58 | Beladona | I know |
| 19:54.05 | End | no no, Kirkburn, it means it was DOOMED FROM THE START ;p |
| 19:54.06 | Beladona | you just wish you could test your work further |
| 19:54.07 | Kirkburn | Well, it's conspiratorial at least |
| 19:54.14 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 19:54.17 | Beladona | I think we all have been there |
| 19:54.18 | End | I wish I could test my work further |
| 19:54.20 | Beladona | =P |
| 19:54.42 | Thrae | I like to code until I can't stand it anymore, then play until I can't stand that anymore. |
| 19:54.45 | Tem | Mikk1, was it you that was writing something like a test environment? |
| 19:54.53 | End | it was Mikk1 |
| 19:54.59 | Beladona | I like to play till I can't stand period |
| 19:55.01 | Kirkburn | Well, looks like I know what my job for tonight will be ... move everything from Cat:World to Worlds ... :D Fun!! |
| 19:55.01 | End | http://sf.net/projects/wowbench/ |
| 19:55.03 | Beladona | oh |
| 19:55.20 | Kirkburn | Lots of pages about it on the wiki, Tem :) |
| 19:55.26 | Tem | got a link? |
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| 19:55.38 | Thrae | Cat:World? |
| 19:55.47 | Ktron | morning |
| 19:55.54 | Ktron | well, afternoon |
| 19:57.19 | End | Category:World I think |
| 19:57.52 | Thrae | Ahhh. Here I was, thinking it had something to do with Cats. |
| 19:58.50 | End | lol |
| 20:01.03 | Legorol | yay, they fixed some of the issues with [pre] tags |
| 20:01.03 | Ktron | well, categories and cats are pretty similar |
| 20:01.16 | Legorol | still not brilliant, but it's somewhat better now |
| 20:06.53 | Tem | no, it still does extra linebreaks in firefox |
| 20:06.59 | Tem | which annoys the piss out of me |
| 20:07.05 | End | me too |
| 20:07.13 | End | speaking of which, brb, gotta take a piss |
| 20:07.22 | Tem | hmm, speaking of which... |
| 20:07.23 | Legorol | Tem: is that before or after the tag? |
| 20:07.34 | Tem | not sure what you mean? |
| 20:07.34 | Legorol | there are two annoying behaviours about [/pre] which they didn't fix: |
| 20:07.52 | Legorol | if you have an enter before the [/pre] tag, the text following it gets push right up |
| 20:08.18 | Legorol | if you have an enter after the [/pre] tag, an extra line break that shouldn't be there gets printed |
| 20:08.32 | Legorol | the only way to get sensible looking thing is to close a pre-block like this: |
| 20:08.41 | Legorol | line inside the block [/pre] text afterwards |
| 20:08.43 | Tem | Inside the [pre] block, it puts an extra line break after each line |
| 20:08.48 | Tem | (only in firefox) |
| 20:08.51 | Legorol | i see |
| 20:09.06 | Legorol | that is annoying i imagine |
| 20:09.06 | Tem | essensially causing it to be "double spaced" |
| 20:09.12 | Legorol | but they did fix the most annoying thign: |
| 20:09.17 | Legorol | [pre] becoming [/pre] when you edit |
| 20:09.28 | Tem | yeah, that does suck |
| 20:09.48 | End | I think it's safe to say, they really just fixed a bunch of bugs and gave it a visual make over. |
| 20:09.58 | Legorol | for anyone that knows the Ultimate Showdown, Ultimate Destiny song: |
| 20:09.58 | Legorol | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/showdown#start |
| 20:10.11 | Legorol | End: they completely recoded it from scretch |
| 20:10.23 | Legorol | if you take a look at the page sources and java scripts, it's a total recode |
| 20:10.23 | Iriel | For 1.10 the PTR was up the night before IIRC |
| 20:10.38 | End | Then how does it still have these same sort of bugs? |
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| 20:11.20 | End | I'm skeptical that was a complete recode. |
| 20:11.33 | Ktron | do we know whether 1.11 is tomorrow? |
| 20:15.33 | Wobin | Legorol: I thought the song came out the same time as the flash? |
| 20:16.30 | Beladona | we don't know for sure Ktron, anything at this point is conjecture |
| 20:16.48 | Beladona | but I think most of us think so |
| 20:17.49 | Ktron | alright, I figured it was still clever guesswork, but I wanted to make sure they hadn't said anything |
| 20:20.28 | Kebinusan | nah, tigole posted |
| 20:20.48 | Kebinusan | No promises as to when the patch is going live, but if I were you, I'd start working on that Argent Dawn rep by tomorrow -- either that or pillage the guild bank while the pillaging is good. |
| 20:21.00 | Kirkburn | Cairenn has 'contacts' |
| 20:21.15 | Kirkburn | =P |
| 20:21.17 | Ktron | hm... how hard would be to right an addon to make 'X joined channel.' and 'X left channel.' for particular channels hidden? |
| 20:22.02 | Ktron | heh |
| 20:22.04 | Ktron | alright |
| 20:23.35 | Kaso | Ktron: not hard. |
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| 20:38.47 | Kaso | you could prob use this code: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-en&t=46576 with minor changes to the string.find pattern |
| 20:42.08 | qw` | any of you guys wouldn't happen to know alot about signalling on coaxial using cable modems? |
| 20:45.48 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 20:46.03 | JoshBorke | no, but whatcha need? :-D |
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| 21:08.30 | Kirkburn | I wish someone could explain to me why italy has adverts in english :P |
| 21:15.28 | Ktron | because the pope said they should |
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| 21:52.10 | JoshBorke | bah! finding out which mod is eating my memory is a pain |
| 21:56.11 | Kirkburn | Woop, Windows Live Messenger is out :) |
| 21:57.53 | Iriel | So's my 1.12 changes thread |
| 21:57.59 | Iriel | Not that it has much on it yet |
| 21:58.12 | Iriel | I think this may be the first time we've had 3 changes threads stickied at the same time |
| 21:59.12 | Kaso | God im glad they fixed that bug, drives me insane. |
| 21:59.44 | JoshBorke | lol, yea |
| 22:01.00 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 22:01.49 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:02.49 | Kirkburn | And the first with your little MVP logo :) |
| 22:03.13 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 22:03.16 | Iriel | Indeed |
| 22:03.26 | Iriel | I post so few threads of my own I forgot it even appeared |
| 22:03.41 | Iriel | Bah, now Slouken's giving me grief over not finishing my "Actual changes" thread |
| 22:04.55 | Cairenn | tell him to behave or I'll spank him |
| 22:05.56 | Iriel | he might like it though? |
| 22:06.03 | Iriel | Slouken the kinky pirate? |
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| 22:06.52 | Tarog | and I'm back |
| 22:07.10 | Cairenn | hi back, pleased to meet you, I'm Cairenn |
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| 22:07.57 | JoshBorke | hi Cairenn, i'm josh |
| 22:13.00 | End | oh neat! |
| 22:13.07 | End | beta forums allow you to skip to next blue post |
| 22:13.20 | End | so if there is more than one blizzard post, you can just skip to next |
| 22:13.34 | Kebinusan | yeah |
| 22:13.40 | Kebinusan | you can also link to your talent build |
| 22:13.43 | Iriel | Excellent, i've been waiting for them to add that |
| 22:13.54 | Kebinusan | and most of all, the search feature seem to actually work |
| 22:14.12 | zenzelezz | you lie! |
| 22:14.30 | Kebinusan | I may have been dreaming |
| 22:14.31 | zenzelezz | next they'll fix opifex male shoulderp... wait, that was Anarchy Online :-/ |
| 22:17.59 | Tarog | next they'll make Iriel skinable |
| 22:19.44 | Legorol | hm, can anyone advise me on how, as a druid, can i beat a hunter in a duel? |
| 22:19.54 | Legorol | i have an awfully hard time, and the hunter has it very very easy |
| 22:19.55 | Iriel | Dont accept the duel to begin with? |
| 22:19.59 | Legorol | lol |
| 22:20.00 | Iriel | Otherwise, stay close to the hunter |
| 22:20.07 | Legorol | this is important, i need to kick that hunter ;- |
| 22:20.12 | Legorol | Iriel: it's not that easy |
| 22:20.19 | Iriel | You have root skills |
| 22:20.21 | Legorol | the hunter is a good player, he wing clips and concussive shoots |
| 22:20.21 | Iriel | it can't be that hard |
| 22:20.26 | Legorol | very hard to stay close |
| 22:20.28 | Shadowed | Legorol: It's based around the same princable of a rogue dueling a hunter |
| 22:20.34 | Shadowed | you run in the other direction |
| 22:20.39 | Kebinusan | actually the most important thing to do when dueling a hunter is to kill his pet |
| 22:20.42 | Legorol | Shadowed: what? |
| 22:20.45 | Iriel | What? |
| 22:20.46 | Kebinusan | win or loss doesnt really matter after that |
| 22:20.50 | Iriel | Why woul dyou kill the pet? |
| 22:20.54 | Shadowed | to piss them off |
| 22:21.01 | Tarog | ha |
| 22:21.05 | Kebinusan | exactly heh |
| 22:21.06 | Legorol | ok, i see i am getting very constructive advice.. |
| 22:21.09 | Tarog | if you try and kill my pet you're dead |
| 22:21.16 | Legorol | definitely |
| 22:21.17 | Shadowed | are you feral spec Legorol? |
| 22:21.19 | Legorol | yes |
| 22:21.21 | Tarog | not a single person has won against me that has tried to kill my pet first |
| 22:21.27 | Kebinusan | actually stay within their attack range, sleep their pet |
| 22:21.33 | Legorol | going against pet first is very very bad in my experience |
| 22:21.39 | Kebinusan | try and root them and stay ~ 5 hards away or something |
| 22:21.44 | Tarog | yeah |
| 22:21.45 | Shadowed | it is, you do it if you know you wont win and you want to annoy them |
| 22:21.50 | Legorol | Kebinusan: tried desperately, but doesn't work |
| 22:21.51 | Tarog | stay in the hunter's dead zone |
| 22:21.54 | Legorol | the reason why it doesn't work is this: |
| 22:22.01 | Legorol | let me bring forth some arguments |
| 22:22.02 | Shadowed | is the hunter trying to play the "Spam flares and traps for 10 minutes" game? |
| 22:22.04 | Kebinusan | go engineering, get a mind control cap, mind control the hunter and make him kill his own pet, thats good for a laugh |
| 22:22.06 | Legorol | root breaks very quickly |
| 22:22.11 | Legorol | Shadowed: not at all |
| 22:22.22 | Legorol | the hunter just simply keeps at range, and wing clips/concussive shoots |
| 22:22.25 | Legorol | to make sure i don't get close |
| 22:22.32 | Legorol | the only thing that lets me get close is root, but |
| 22:22.39 | Kebinusan | you can shift out of concussive shot |
| 22:22.40 | Shadowed | well in the end you're probably not going to win if he's smart enough but |
| 22:22.42 | Kebinusan | cant you? |
| 22:22.49 | Shadowed | you can shit out of the snare, but not improved conc |
| 22:22.56 | Legorol | if i root, the root comes off very quickly, especially if i try to damage him |
| 22:23.10 | Legorol | so pretty much the only thing i can do is: root hunter, sleep pet, then.. ehm.. twiddle thumbs |
| 22:23.22 | Legorol | hunter doesn't have imp. conc, so that may work |
| 22:23.24 | Legorol | shifting out of it |
| 22:23.28 | Legorol | but it still doesn't let me get that close |
| 22:23.33 | Legorol | at best, keep the distance, but not get closer |
| 22:23.37 | Shadowed | are you both in epics or mostly blues? |
| 22:23.42 | Legorol | lol |
| 22:23.44 | Legorol | we are both lvl 48 |
| 22:23.47 | Shadowed | ahhh |
| 22:23.51 | Tarog | oh |
| 22:24.03 | Tarog | I'm not sure if you can do it at 48 |
| 22:24.12 | Legorol | why, what gets better at 60? |
| 22:24.20 | Tarog | you get better |
| 22:24.25 | Legorol | in what sense? |
| 22:24.31 | Legorol | my playing skills probably won't |
| 22:24.46 | Legorol | especially looking at the skills of some 60s, i am tempted to think your playing skill declines when you reach 60 ;-) |
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| 22:24.50 | Tarog | it's more that hunters get better early and then don't get much better later |
| 22:25.03 | Legorol | can you be more specific? |
| 22:25.07 | Tarog | uh |
| 22:25.07 | Legorol | "better" is such a relative term |
| 22:25.08 | Shadowed | it's like rogues |
| 22:25.11 | Legorol | what's better about them? |
| 22:25.19 | Legorol | Shadowed: what about rogues |
| 22:25.23 | Legorol | i never dueled with or against a rogue |
| 22:25.25 | Shadowed | After level 40 a Rogue basically doesn't gain or get better, they get all of there skills by 40 |
| 22:25.37 | Legorol | same is true for druid, isn't it? |
| 22:25.53 | Legorol | by 48 i seem to have everything |
| 22:26.05 | Shadowed | not sure, havn't really played a druid except on test |
| 22:26.10 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 22:26.13 | Tarog | question |
| 22:26.18 | Tarog | what spec is the hunter? |
| 22:26.19 | Legorol | oh well, it's just that it seems like an impossible matchup |
| 22:26.26 | Shadowed | if he doesn't have conc he's probably beast |
| 22:26.34 | Legorol | Tarog: BM, but i can't win even when he doesn't use BM abilities |
| 22:26.35 | Legorol | we tried |
| 22:27.07 | Legorol | what i find is that hunter and pet both come out of root/sleep very very quickly |
| 22:27.08 | Tarog | so you've put the pet to sleep and then fought him 1v1 |
| 22:27.08 | Shadowed | have you tried switching between cat and bear for feral charge and bash to gain distance? |
| 22:27.20 | Legorol | yes, for about... 10 seconds at most? |
| 22:27.26 | Legorol | the pet comes out of sleep very quick |
| 22:27.26 | End | druids don't get barkskin til level 44 |
| 22:27.36 | End | other than that, I don't think there is anything new after 40 |
| 22:27.43 | End | (and barkskin is relatively minor) |
| 22:27.46 | Legorol | Shadowed: i can feral charge and bash, yes |
| 22:27.48 | Legorol | but not very often |
| 22:27.59 | Legorol | and most of the time, if i shift to bear, the hunter eventually gains distance |
| 22:27.59 | zespri_work | Very good (alhough imposibly long) thread why mages and rogues suck http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-mage&t=1000113&p=1&tmp=1#post1000113 |
| 22:28.06 | zespri_work | =) makes a good reading =) |
| 22:28.11 | Legorol | as soon as he is out of the bash stun, he wingclips and gets away |
| 22:28.38 | Tarog | how long is bash? |
| 22:28.42 | Shadowed | 3 seconds? |
| 22:28.43 | Legorol | 2 seconds i think |
| 22:28.45 | Legorol | maybe 3 |
| 22:28.49 | Legorol | not a lot |
| 22:29.10 | Tarog | try bashing then rooting? |
| 22:29.14 | Tarog | eh |
| 22:29.19 | Tarog | maybe not |
| 22:29.24 | Legorol | ok, i have a problem with basic idea here |
| 22:29.24 | End | depends on spec |
| 22:29.27 | End | you can spec for longer bash |
| 22:29.28 | Legorol | i root the hunter, and then... what |
| 22:29.35 | Legorol | because if i start damaging him, the root comes off |
| 22:29.35 | Shadowed | moonfire spam |
| 22:29.46 | Legorol | moonfire spam vs. hunter ranged, i lose for sure |
| 22:29.56 | End | especially if the hunter uses viper sting |
| 22:30.01 | zespri_work | the idea of the bost is mages and rogues was positioned as "damage dealers" and now *every* class has a capacity to deal damage not worse then mages and rogues but they don't have penalties rogues and mages have/ |
| 22:30.02 | Iriel | Hunters can do very little damage while they're moving |
| 22:30.13 | Iriel | Is there anything you can do to compensate for that? |
| 22:30.20 | zespri_work | there is a point in this syllogism |
| 22:30.22 | Shadowed | they can do pretty good damage though if you're not hitting them |
| 22:30.23 | chuckg | Auto shot isn't little damage. |
| 22:30.25 | chuckg | Arcane shot is instant. |
| 22:30.27 | Legorol | ehm... it's not true, he spams serpent sting, arcane shot and multishot |
| 22:30.28 | chuckg | And so is multi! |
| 22:30.33 | Legorol | does plenty of damage whilst moving |
| 22:30.42 | chuckg | It's the most moving damage for a ranged class. |
| 22:30.48 | chuckg | Burst wise. |
| 22:30.59 | Shadowed | serpent and arcane shot + pet are still enough damage to win since he can't hit him anyway |
| 22:31.06 | Legorol | yeah |
| 22:31.11 | Iriel | Yes, but druids can heal, so the bursts have less overall effect |
| 22:31.20 | Legorol | healing is very ineffective i find |
| 22:31.29 | Legorol | because in the time it takes to heal, i take the same amount of damage |
| 22:31.39 | Legorol | the rapid firing of the hunter and the pet dealing damage interrupts too much |
| 22:31.41 | Shadowed | pet would either make heals take to long, or he could hit whatever the BM attack is to stun and finish him |
| 22:31.54 | Tarog | Intimidate |
| 22:32.02 | Legorol | the hunter doesn't even use his BM skills on purpose |
| 22:32.03 | Legorol | and i still lose |
| 22:32.30 | Legorol | yes it's Intimidate |
| 22:32.42 | Tarog | pet still has all the talent bonuses though |
| 22:32.48 | Tarog | BM pets are strong |
| 22:32.48 | Legorol | true |
| 22:32.52 | End | Legorol: what's your spec, and what level are you? |
| 22:32.57 | Legorol | both 48 |
| 22:32.58 | Legorol | i'm feral |
| 22:32.58 | Kirkburn | Iriel: don't what you did with your post, but you managed to break the bluetracker :P ... http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-interface-customization/396933.htm |
| 22:33.17 | End | hmm |
| 22:33.25 | Legorol | basically it seems to me i'd have to stay within melee range of the hunter |
| 22:33.27 | Legorol | and do melee damage |
| 22:33.37 | Legorol | but that's very hard, because the only way i can get there is if i root him, |
| 22:33.45 | Legorol | but as soon as i start hitting him he gets out of root |
| 22:34.09 | Tarog | When I was BM |
| 22:34.09 | Legorol | and then he is away again |
| 22:34.10 | Tarog | I found that being ranged or melee didn't really matter |
| 22:34.10 | End | wait, how is he getting away? |
| 22:34.11 | zenzelezz | BM? |
| 22:34.17 | Tarog | Beast Master |
| 22:34.34 | Legorol | End: wing clip |
| 22:34.48 | Tarog | As long as the pet was attacking the caster, the caster had no chance |
| 22:34.48 | End | you can shift out of that |
| 22:34.55 | Kirkburn | Restarting .... brb |
| 22:34.55 | Legorol | yes i know, and then what |
| 22:35.08 | End | then you shift back I guess? does wing clip have a cooldown |
| 22:35.09 | End | ? |
| 22:35.11 | Legorol | by the time i shift out, recast root and get to him again, he got in a couple of instant shots |
| 22:35.12 | Shadowed | nope |
| 22:35.18 | Legorol | no cd on wingcip |
| 22:35.20 | End | hrmph |
| 22:35.28 | End | I rarely duel hunters |
| 22:35.29 | Shadowed | he'd run out of mana trying to spam shift |
| 22:35.49 | End | yeah, and the hunter can just spam wingclip anyways |
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| 22:51.36 | Cairenn | Massive t-storm going through, shutting the system down |
| 22:51.48 | JoshBorke | bye Cairenn |
| 22:51.50 | JoshBorke | stay safe |
| 22:52.18 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:53.44 | Tarog | <3 Aero |
| 22:54.49 | JoshBorke | hrm |
| 23:05.48 | Kirkburn | =) http://www.doublefine.com/news%20images/2006/kitten%20and%20secrets.jpg |
| 23:06.54 | Tarog | aww |
| 23:06.55 | zenzelezz | where are the secrets? I only see the kitten |
| 23:07.17 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 23:07.26 | Kirkburn | That's Tim Schafers kitten |
| 23:07.35 | zenzelezz | who? |
| 23:07.44 | Kirkburn | useless |
| 23:07.54 | Kirkburn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Schafer |
| 23:08.31 | Kirkburn | If you wish to see inside his mind ... http://www.doublefine.com/news.htm |
| 23:08.34 | JoshBorke | how do i find a float in a string? |
| 23:08.49 | Tarog | wowwiki skin doesn't like IE7 |
| 23:08.52 | JoshBorke | string.find(str,'%f') is giving me an error |
| 23:08.54 | Tarog | :( |
| 23:09.09 | Kirkburn | Apart from the user bar, what's wrong Tarog? |
| 23:09.53 | Tarog | it doesn't scale to the window |
| 23:10.31 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure what you mean ... it's fine for me :/ |
| 23:10.46 | JoshBorke | nvm, got it |
| 23:10.59 | Tarog | the "About WoWWiki" and "Disclaimers" goes out passed the edge of the page |
| 23:11.04 | Tarog | on the bottom |
| 23:11.28 | Gryphen | does that for me too |
| 23:11.46 | Kirkburn | Ah, that is true |
| 23:11.53 | Tarog | "Proposed new sidebar" and "The Burning Crusade" are on two lines in the sidebar |
| 23:12.02 | Tarog | just needs some tweaking |
| 23:12.05 | Tarog | nothing terrible |
| 23:12.10 | Kirkburn | Yeah that too |
| 23:12.23 | Kirkburn | I told Schmidt, but he wouldn't change it :P |
| 23:12.44 | Tarog | only happens in IE7 I think |
| 23:12.49 | Tarog | didn't happen in IE6 |
| 23:12.57 | Kirkburn | Mikk has sent Rustak an updated CSS file which *may* help with some stuff |
| 23:12.58 | Tarog | or firefox/bon echo |
| 23:13.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Parak (i=PROFI@user-0cev737.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 23:13.07 | Tarog | I read that he was going to do that |
| 23:13.08 | Kirkburn | Bug, probably |
| 23:13.44 | Kirkburn | There's still a Beta 3 to go :P |
| 23:14.01 | Tarog | yeah |
| 23:16.07 | Tarog | I got yelled at :( |
| 23:16.23 | Tarog | I welcomed a bot by accident |
| 23:16.29 | Tarog | all your fault Kirkburn |
| 23:16.37 | Kirkburn | ;) |
| 23:17.03 | Kirkburn | But of course |
| 23:17.38 | Tarog | if you hadn't reported King424 as a bot, then I wouldn't have been yelled at |
| 23:18.50 | Tarog | whoa |
| 23:18.58 | Tarog | my User page is all funky in IE7 |
| 23:19.09 | Kirkburn | I reported him? |
| 23:19.30 | Tarog | I think King424 is a bot ... his changes are pointless and frankly, odd. -- Kirkburn 18:03, 18 June 2006 (EDT) |
| 23:19.43 | Kirkburn | oh yeah :P |
| 23:20.50 | Kirkburn | You didn't specify a width, I see |
| 23:21.00 | Tarog | yeah |
| 23:21.12 | Tarog | I'll fix it after I install nvidia stuff |
| 23:21.22 | Kirkburn | New drivers? |
| 23:21.34 | Tarog | I haven't installed drivers for vista yet |
| 23:21.45 | Kirkburn | Ah right |
| 23:22.08 | Kirkburn | 88.61 seems to be the latest |
| 23:22.58 | Tarog | I love how nvidia drivers still aren't microsoft signed |
| 23:24.00 | Tarog | restartin' |
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| 23:42.23 | Tarog | I can't find my WoW cds ;.; |
| 23:42.47 | cladhaire | download the client |
| 23:44.05 | Tarog | yeah |
| 23:44.08 | Tarog | didn't want to |
| 23:47.21 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 23:49.40 | Tarog | recommendations on where to download it? |
| 23:50.28 | Kirkburn | Lol, I just saw an advert for 'Herpesun', a lipsalve. Think about that name. Think about what a google search turns up. |
| 23:51.10 | Kirkburn | "Did you mean: herpes" |
| 23:54.01 | cladhaire | lol I'm listening to Zakarum from the DII sountrack |
| 23:54.04 | AnduinLothar | you have GOT to be kidding me... MessageFrame has no Clear.. they only added it to ScrollingMessageFrame |
| 23:54.40 | AnduinLothar | have to make a whole new fing frame |
| 23:57.54 | Tarog | gah |
| 23:58.06 | Tarog | I don't want to get the client from a torrent >< |
