| 00:00.00 | Kirkburn | >_> |
| 00:00.01 | AnduinLothar | WHERE!? |
| 00:00.10 | Kirkburn | <_< |
| 00:00.10 | Legorol | there! |
| 00:00.16 | Kirkburn | v_v |
| 00:00.33 | AnduinLothar | ok so why cant i get tkinter to work.. |
| 00:00.42 | Kirkburn | [[OO:29] <Mikk1|Semiafk> Stop watching TV =) |
| 00:00.44 | Tain | How do you know when an elephant has been in your refrigerator? |
| 00:01.02 | Tain | There's footprints in the cream cheese. |
| 00:01.20 | Kirkburn | hehe, totally new joke to me, never heard it before :P |
| 00:02.03 | Thrae | I would have guessed, "Because your refridgerator exploded, since it's a *&^% elephant!" |
| 00:02.09 | Kirkburn | ^_^ ooh, I see the elephant! |
| 00:02.11 | Tain | What's red and white on the outside, and red, white and grey on the inside? |
| 00:02.20 | Tain | Campbells Cream of Elephant Soup |
| 00:02.20 | Kirkburn | A penguin? |
| 00:02.36 | Kirkburn | wait, wtf did I say Penguin for? |
| 00:02.48 | AnduinLothar | a bloody pinguin? |
| 00:02.57 | AnduinLothar | ...mate.. |
| 00:03.20 | Kirkburn | Are you australian? |
| 00:04.00 | Kirkburn | You're starting to sounds like it :P |
| 00:04.01 | Tain | What do an Elephant and a plum have in common? |
| 00:04.05 | Tain | They're both purple. |
| 00:04.09 | Tain | Except for the elephant |
| 00:04.38 | Kirkburn | ^L^ |
| 00:04.57 | Kirkburn | \_/ |
| 00:05.15 | Kirkburn | I bet that looked odd on everyone else's monitor :P |
| 00:05.29 | Tain | A giant smiley face. |
| 00:05.34 | Kirkburn | yay! |
| 00:05.34 | Cairenn | same here |
| 00:06.23 | Kirkburn | A little rhyme for you, courtesy of Emonix: http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/8724615.htm |
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| 00:12.48 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I feel responsible for starting conversation again ... what do you predict computers will be like in 10 years? |
| 00:13.27 | AnduinLothar | computer, what's a computer? |
| 00:14.24 | Tain | You mean the Google box? |
| 00:14.28 | zenzio | nothing bad in starting conversations... when I say something when the channel is idle it seems to have a tendency to spark arguments |
| 00:14.40 | AnduinLothar | no it doesn't |
| 00:14.55 | Tain | Scew you yes it does! |
| 00:15.05 | AnduinLothar | hell no it doesn't |
| 00:15.05 | Kirkburn | No it's bloody well doesn't mate! |
| 00:15.12 | AnduinLothar | see |
| 00:15.21 | AnduinLothar | kirk says it it must be true |
| 00:15.28 | Tain | Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear. |
| 00:15.28 | Kirkburn | Sheila and Bruce can back me up on this... |
| 00:16.20 | Kirkburn | I'm just gonna visit me dunny in the outback |
| 00:18.09 | Kirkburn | Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bloody drongo |
| 00:18.19 | AnduinLothar | dingo? |
| 00:18.50 | AnduinLothar | ok... tkinter fails |
| 00:18.59 | AnduinLothar | i can't figure out how to install |
| 00:19.35 | Kirkburn | What a gronk... |
| 00:20.55 | Kirkburn | Heh, I like one of the Ozzie terms for Rugby |
| 00:21.39 | Kirkburn | 'bumsniffing' |
| 00:23.30 | Kirkburn | Looky here .... http://i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=13491 =) |
| 00:29.44 | Mikk1 | Ok, it wasn't TV. It was .avi. |
| 00:29.48 | Mikk1 | But TV looks better in the nick |
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| 00:41.38 | Mikk1 | Yay. My SF.net project has gone live with SVN db and everything =) |
| 00:43.01 | Mikk1 | Mkay. Who wanted committ access? o.O |
| 00:43.32 | Cairenn | grats Mikk1 |
| 00:55.02 | Mikk1 | Gahgk thanks Kirkburn |
| 00:55.08 | Mikk1 | I didn't need that link =) |
| 00:55.13 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 00:55.17 | Mikk1 | 11200 speedcube score |
| 00:55.18 | Mikk1 | 2nd attempt |
| 00:56.38 | Kirkburn | 15,000 |
| 01:05.23 | Mikk1 | Gahgk stuck at novice 11 =( |
| 01:06.16 | Mikk1 | Scratch that |
| 01:09.59 | Mikk1 | Mommmyyyy teh stupid game is pwning me make it stop! |
| 01:13.34 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:16.00 | Ktron | 15600 2nd attempt |
| 01:16.05 | Ktron | at speed hyper frame |
| 01:16.16 | zenzio | yay for Windows XP built-in CD/DVD-burning support. Got a DVD+R rewritable with some files on; insert it and try to delete the files and it says they're read-only, but I can write new files and they'll replace it. So I spend 10 minutes letting Windows prepare an image to burn, and when I hit "burn now", it complains the whole disc is read-only (and even calls it a CD) |
| 01:16.35 | Mikk1 | I keep having bad luck in the speed runs |
| 01:16.44 | Mikk1 | Always one cube that I get stuck on and need to think about |
| 01:17.01 | Mikk1 | It invariable has the tendency to be the last one, of course ;) |
| 01:17.06 | Mikk1 | ably |
| 01:18.57 | Ktron | 3rd try at Speed, 18200 |
| 01:19.23 | Mikk1 | shit |
| 01:24.58 | Cairenn | happens |
| 01:39.47 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 01:41.17 | Kirkburn | yay another vandal!! |
| 01:41.30 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, you around? |
| 01:42.04 | Kirkburn | Charred But Alive be his name |
| 01:43.30 | Mikk1 | Huhwah? |
| 01:43.34 | Mikk1 | I'm so not playing that anymore =) |
| 01:43.49 | Mikk1 | I have too many life suckers =) |
| 01:44.01 | Kirkburn | This vandal is interesting, he's actually thinking stuff |
| 01:44.11 | Mikk1 | STILL?! |
| 01:46.19 | Kirkburn | Just making up random names and pages |
| 01:46.28 | Kirkburn | Attempting to make some kind of Gnoll Rumour it appears |
| 01:47.28 | Legorol | who linked that stupid HyperFrame! |
| 01:47.34 | Legorol | the speed-frame one is totally addictive!!! |
| 01:47.41 | Legorol | 15K at 1st try |
| 01:47.43 | Mikk1 | You need a clean break |
| 01:47.44 | cladhaire | hyperframe? |
| 01:47.47 | cladhaire | speedframe? |
| 01:47.47 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 01:47.49 | Mikk1 | Just close the page |
| 01:47.50 | Mikk1 | Wham |
| 01:47.51 | Legorol | thanks to the earlier one we were doing :) |
| 01:48.03 | Mikk1 | Cold turkey |
| 01:48.15 | Legorol | ok, i will have ONE more go at this.. |
| 01:48.18 | Legorol | then i am destorying my PC |
| 01:48.21 | Legorol | or i will be here all night |
| 01:48.31 | Mikk1 | See you next year bud =P |
| 01:50.24 | Legorol | damn! |
| 01:50.27 | Legorol | 17600 |
| 01:50.40 | Mikk1 | I thought 13500 was good =( |
| 01:50.40 | Legorol | Ktron beat me.. |
| 01:50.55 | Legorol | it's not hte puzzle... it's just i can't do it fast enough, hand is slipping |
| 01:50.59 | Legorol | btw, they repeat |
| 01:51.08 | Legorol | it's given me loads it's done already |
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| 01:53.57 | Kirkburn | I feel slightly mean on 'Charred But Alive' now ... I don't think he's a real vandal, but he was making nonsense pages |
| 01:54.49 | Kirkburn | Seems he'd decided to try and make up a Gnoll Rumor, but felt it required many many pages :/ |
| 01:55.12 | Legorol | 18400!!!! |
| 01:55.14 | Legorol | booooyah |
| 01:55.47 | Kirkburn | (the short-lived rumor: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Gnoll_Rumor&oldid=163940) |
| 01:56.57 | ckknight | hyperframe? |
| 01:57.32 | Legorol | yah |
| 01:57.39 | Legorol | it's an extension of the earlier puzzle we were all doing |
| 01:57.41 | Legorol | http://www.shockwave.com/contentPlay/shockwave.jsp?id=hyperframe |
| 01:57.52 | Legorol | there is speedframe (do as many as you can in a set time) |
| 01:57.56 | Legorol | and normal version |
| 01:58.02 | Legorol | speedframe is damn addictie |
| 02:00.25 | Kirkburn | To bed! |
| 02:00.27 | Kirkburn | G'night all |
| 02:04.38 | Ktron | heh |
| 02:04.53 | Ktron | Legorol, it's still all luck |
| 02:05.36 | Legorol | what is? |
| 02:05.44 | Legorol | speedframe? |
| 02:06.03 | Legorol | each time i did it, my score went up.. so i don't think it's just luck. my last score is 18800 |
| 02:06.31 | Ktron | uh oh |
| 02:06.35 | Ktron | time to beat you |
| 02:08.17 | Legorol | ehheee :) |
| 02:08.22 | Legorol | we'll be here all night! |
| 02:08.38 | Legorol | i moved on to cube 40 on the other one |
| 02:09.59 | Cide | (not safe for work) http://www.magneticinkcomics.com/moreDots.mp3 |
| 02:10.13 | Cide | I thought it was pretty well done :P |
| 02:12.24 | Legorol | lol |
| 02:12.40 | Legorol | the funny thing about that Cide is that i know both of the original pieces that it's made from :) |
| 02:12.57 | Legorol | but i suspect anyone hanging around in here long enough would've encountered those two "gems" |
| 02:13.24 | Cide | oh, definitely |
| 02:13.34 | Cide | the leek girl and the onyxia wipe :P |
| 02:14.04 | Cide | that's what makes it great! |
| 02:14.34 | Ktron | 16m until I've have Windows Vista 64-bit on my computer |
| 02:15.38 | Ktron | (via the torrent) |
| 02:15.38 | Ktron | (the beta 2, nothing illegal) |
| 02:15.38 | Legorol | For those that don't know what Cide is referring to: http://media.putfile.com/ony_wipe and http://dojo.fi/~rancid/loituma__.swf |
| 02:15.51 | Legorol | and Cide, what you probably don't know either is that that anime sceene in the leek-girl is from the series Bleach |
| 02:15.57 | Legorol | around episode 5 or 6 or so |
| 02:15.59 | Cide | haha, no :) |
| 02:16.03 | Legorol | i could look it up :) |
| 02:16.11 | Legorol | i don't know what the song is though, and would be curious to know |
| 02:16.14 | Cide | gosh, I'm not that nerdy! |
| 02:16.30 | Cide | ok, I admit. I am |
| 02:16.34 | Legorol | i also don't know if the ony wipe is fake or not |
| 02:16.42 | Cide | pretty sure it isn't |
| 02:16.51 | Legorol | what's hilarious about it is that at one point the guy yells "Sarf to the center!" |
| 02:16.56 | Legorol | that cracked lots of people up |
| 02:17.15 | Legorol | oh noes, it got removed :( |
| 02:18.00 | Cide | haha, that's great |
| 02:18.47 | Ktron | yeah, I'm trying to find the ony wipe somewhere else, I don't htink I've ever seen it |
| 02:20.20 | Legorol | i used to have the ony wipe but deleted it :/ |
| 02:23.06 | Ktron | heh, struggling to get above 18400 |
| 02:25.45 | Legorol | 18800 again, and i had already a complete cube that *just* didn't count |
| 02:27.18 | Cide | how much do you get per cube? |
| 02:27.21 | Cide | approximately |
| 02:27.38 | Legorol | 20400 :p |
| 02:27.41 | Legorol | dunno |
| 02:27.43 | Legorol | it varies a lot |
| 02:27.47 | Legorol | some are worth more than others |
| 02:27.51 | Cide | ah |
| 02:28.06 | Legorol | i found that the adrenaline rush is not helping |
| 02:28.17 | Legorol | breathing deep, and deliberately slowing down seems to get me further |
| 02:28.42 | Legorol | otherwise i'm too spastic and hands shake |
| 02:29.46 | Legorol | omg, there is someone with 31800 score |
| 02:30.12 | Legorol | 33000 even |
| 02:30.27 | Legorol | and someone musta haxxored 'cause they have 666555 as score |
| 02:33.43 | Legorol | Cide: actually it looks like it's 1200 per cube |
| 02:34.28 | Legorol | but then i don't see how scores like 18400 or 18800 could come out |
| 02:34.46 | Cide | could be semi-related to time taken for the cube? |
| 02:34.52 | Ktron | What's a program (preferably free/open source) that will burn a DVD Iso to a DVD besides CDBurnerXP Pro for windows? |
| 02:35.43 | Legorol | dunno, just now it went from 8400 to 9400 |
| 02:35.52 | Legorol | oh, i think it penalises you for mistakes |
| 02:36.20 | Ktron | ahh... I make alot of them heh |
| 02:36.34 | Legorol | yeah it looks like 1200 with no mistakes, and 1000 with mistakes |
| 02:36.59 | Cide | ah, that makes sense |
| 02:37.15 | Cide | with the scores I mean, I haven't actually played :P |
| 02:37.36 | Legorol | lol i just got a cube i can't solve at first sight!" |
| 02:37.48 | Tain | Ktron check on http://www.videohelp.com/tools - they list a lot of different ones |
| 02:37.53 | Cide | farming timbermaw faction as a level 52 priest.. it's really fun... yeah.. :) |
| 02:38.50 | Ktron | thanks Tain |
| 02:38.54 | Ktron | that's a solid site |
| 02:39.04 | Ktron | at first glances anyway |
| 02:40.10 | Tain | It has a ton of good info, I always go there first. |
| 02:40.32 | Tain | For any video converting/burning/etc. |
| 02:45.31 | Mikk1 | "Just one more" my arse =) |
| 02:46.52 | Ktron | brb |
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| 06:11.44 | s|loup | hi |
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| 06:51.19 | Kaso | Ok so, im wanting my mod to suppress certain whispers, at the moment i've hooked ChatFrame1.AddMessage to do that, is there a way to do it for *all* chat frames with one hook? |
| 06:54.02 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 06:54.12 | AnduinLothar | loop all 7 |
| 06:54.30 | Kaso | darn, seems a messy way of doing it, ok then. |
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| 07:09.46 | s|loup | has EditBox:Insert("text") a second parameter to tell on which position? |
| 07:10.01 | s|loup | what position to insert |
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| 07:26.55 | krka|work | nope, editboxes are very limited |
| 07:31.16 | Kaso | there cant be any symbols in Player names right? |
| 07:31.45 | krka|work | but you can modify the highlight offsets |
| 07:31.49 | krka|work | and then insert |
| 07:32.07 | krka|work | there can be lots of symbols! mostly letters |
| 07:33.01 | Kaso | i mean %a+ will match any player name ? |
| 07:45.33 | [Wobin] | It -should- since it's local dependant |
| 07:45.39 | [Wobin] | s/local/locale/ |
| 07:45.50 | [Wobin] | but thagt doesn't mean it does =) |
| 07:49.00 | Kaso | perhaps ill just put a .+ and be safe |
| 07:49.11 | Kaso | i dont think itll cause any problems |
| 07:49.42 | krka|work | uhm, .+ will match any non-empty string |
| 07:50.43 | Kaso | yeh, but it's |HPlayer:.+|[.+]|h so should cause any problems |
| 07:51.04 | Kaso | (ofc with escape chars for the [] and stufff |
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| 08:29.10 | Kaso | Anyone mind taking a look at a snippit of code, i cant for the life of me work out why it aint working. |
| 08:32.53 | Kaso | http://wow.pastebin.com/712485 is it. |
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| 08:35.07 | s|loup | is it .AddMessage or :AddMessage? |
| 08:35.39 | Kalroth | is that a function() typecast? |
| 08:36.17 | Kalroth | (in which case there's only 5 arguments in the typecast while there's 6 arguements in MyMod_ParseChat() :) |
| 08:36.47 | Kaso | the first arg of parsechat is the number of the chatframe its going to. |
| 08:36.57 | Kalroth | Yup, I see that :) |
| 08:37.11 | Kalroth | I was just questioning "function(var1,var2,var3,var4,var5)" |
| 08:37.26 | Kaso | im confused. |
| 08:37.40 | krka|work | yeah, the first param should be the frame |
| 08:37.44 | krka|work | i.e. self |
| 08:37.56 | Kalroth | if you don't have to pass i in function() as well |
| 08:38.44 | krka|work | http://wow.pastebin.com/712499 |
| 08:38.46 | krka|work | that's my suggestion |
| 08:38.56 | Kalroth | oh, so it should be (var1,var2,var3,var4,var5,i) rather than (i,var1,var2,var3,var4,var5), krka? |
| 08:39.15 | Kalroth | oh |
| 08:39.32 | krka|work | as long as self comes first, it doesn't matter |
| 08:39.42 | Kaso | i dont need a frame reference passed to ParseChat it does this |
| 08:39.45 | Kaso | getglobal("old_MyMod_ChatFrame"..ChatFrameIndex.."_AddMessage")(getglobal("ChatFrame"..ChatFrameIndex),Text,r,g,b,id) |
| 08:40.03 | Kaso | Calling Parsechat manually works fine |
| 08:40.35 | Kalroth | what happens when you call it in the loop? |
| 08:40.43 | Kalroth | error or just silence? |
| 08:40.52 | Kaso | silence |
| 08:41.38 | Kaso | hang on let me post the whole code with the ParseChat code |
| 08:42.11 | krka|work | who calls AddMessage? |
| 08:42.39 | Kaso | http://wow.pastebin.com/712505 |
| 08:43.07 | Kaso | AAA is just a random testing var which decides wether to show or hide whispers |
| 08:43.37 | Kaso | oops i copys pasrechat twice, you get the idea though |
| 08:54.36 | Maldivia | hehe... |
| 08:55.19 | Maldivia | ping thepiratebay.org --- notice the IP, now do a: |
| 08:55.23 | Maldivia | ping -a 83.140.176.146 |
| 08:55.54 | Maldivia | or for the unix people: host 83.140.176.146 |
| 08:56.43 | Kaso | haha |
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| 08:57.28 | krka|work | heh |
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| 09:06.42 | Kaso | ok, i think i know what to do, is there a way to get the chat frame index from the object? |
| 09:06.47 | Kaso | eg, 2 from ChatFrame2 |
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| 09:19.06 | _B | Of course |
| 09:19.13 | _B | Learn to script |
| 09:20.18 | Kaso | some way thats nicer than string.sub ing Frame:GetName() ? |
| 09:21.10 | krka|work | getID()? |
| 09:21.18 | krka|work | not sure if those are set though |
| 09:22.06 | Kaso | doesnt work unfortunatly |
| 09:22.27 | Kaso | oh wait |
| 09:22.43 | Kaso | it does ^_- wtf im sure that didnt work when i tested it 10min ago |
| 09:23.19 | Kaso | ah well. least ive got it now |
| 09:49.12 | krka|work | LOL |
| 09:49.13 | krka|work | http://glcoti.com/archive/index.php?t-5643.html |
| 09:49.19 | krka|work | check out the movie there |
| 09:49.25 | krka|work | http://xfreaks.glcoti.com/clips/autotravel1.avi |
| 09:49.27 | krka|work | genius! |
| 09:53.41 | Wobin | does he have a dippy bird? |
| 09:56.05 | Kaso | ha |
| 09:59.29 | Wobin | ... |
| 09:59.37 | Wobin | how many keyboards does he go through? |
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| 11:03.25 | Mikk1|Zzz | mgrmblning |
| 11:03.30 | Mikk1|Zzz | s/grmbl/or/ |
| 11:06.08 | Wobin | hehe |
| 11:06.41 | Kaso | how long has that bot been around. |
| 11:08.03 | Wobin | purl? |
| 11:08.06 | Wobin | Forever |
| 11:08.25 | Wobin | purl is indispensible! |
| 11:08.46 | Josh_Borke | morning |
| 11:10.28 | Kaso | damn thats pretty cleaver |
| 11:10.46 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 11:11.09 | zenzelezz | I find it peculiar how TeamSpeak can have a "sound notifications" settings tab that allows you to select sound files for events, and to validate the sound files... but doesn't have a simple "play" button |
| 11:11.09 | Kaso | where is 3Dlogic ? |
| 11:11.22 | Kaso | hmm that didnt work. |
| 11:11.52 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure, but I think the bot mostly responds to stuff prepended with a tilde |
| 11:11.55 | zenzelezz | ~ |
| 11:12.11 | Kaso | (purl) I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?" |
| 11:12.21 | Kaso | i was trying to play with that. |
| 11:12.46 | Kaso | 3Dlogic is at http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/3dlogic.swf |
| 11:12.57 | Kaso | where can i find 3Dlogic ? |
| 11:12.58 | zenzelezz | yes, but like I said, I think he's configured to not pick up on everything |
| 11:13.08 | Kaso | hmm |
| 11:14.12 | Kaso | ~wiki Trees |
| 11:14.15 | zenzelezz | generally a good idea to not try to make him spam then channel :) |
| 11:14.25 | Kaso | oops :> |
| 11:14.33 | Kaso | i'll stop now . |
| 11:14.36 | zenzelezz | hehe, wikis look better on the net =D |
| 11:16.14 | Wobin | ~3d logic |
| 11:16.25 | Wobin | ~3dlogic |
| 11:16.53 | Wobin | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 11:17.04 | Wobin | ~emulate Dolby-wowi |
| 11:17.10 | Wobin | bah |
| 11:17.26 | zenzelezz | ~whaleslap Wobin |
| 11:17.28 | purl | ACTION beats Wobin upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 11:17.35 | Wobin | ~whaleparry wobin |
| 11:17.36 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry wobin's attacks. |
| 11:17.43 | Wobin | oops |
| 11:17.47 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 11:17.49 | Wobin | ~whaleshield wobin |
| 11:17.57 | Wobin | damnit =) |
| 11:18.25 | Wobin | hm |
| 11:18.29 | Josh_Borke | wait a tick! |
| 11:18.30 | Wobin | anyone use GIMP here? |
| 11:18.34 | Josh_Borke | ~emulate Wobin |
| 11:18.43 | Wobin | ~Wobin |
| 11:18.54 | krka|work | i have used gimp once or twice for very simple stuff |
| 11:18.54 | Josh_Borke | ~whaleslap Wobin |
| 11:18.56 | purl | ACTION beats Wobin upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 11:19.04 | Wobin | ~whaleparry Josh_Borke |
| 11:19.06 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Josh_Borke's attacks. |
| 11:19.09 | Josh_Borke | i'm the same as krka |
| 11:19.18 | krka|work | really? strange |
| 11:19.23 | krka|work | i thought i was unique and special |
| 11:19.41 | Legorol | good day.. |
| 11:19.41 | Wobin | We are all individuals! |
| 11:20.19 | Josh_Borke | hello Legorol |
| 11:20.21 | Mikk1|Coffee | ~wiki wow |
| 11:20.37 | Mikk1|Coffee | Omfg |
| 11:20.44 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shadowd (n=outlaw@c-67-161-0-166.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 11:21.37 | Legorol | hmm, did you guys know that Searing Gorge seems to be the *only* zone which doesn't have a "guiding you to the zone" quest? |
| 11:21.49 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 11:21.51 | MoonWolf | awkward |
| 11:21.52 | Wobin | Really? |
| 11:21.54 | Legorol | in other words, there is no-one in another place of the world who sends you to searing gorge to start questing there |
| 11:22.03 | MoonWolf | i went to plaguelands |
| 11:22.04 | Wobin | hm |
| 11:22.13 | MoonWolf | and suddenly i went,.... what happen to that gorge place. |
| 11:22.35 | Legorol | there are tons of quests in searing gorge, but you never do them, unless you specifically visit the place |
| 11:22.55 | Legorol | actually, i am lying, it's not quite true... Sweet Amber does seend you to the gorge in its 5th or 6th part.. |
| 11:23.00 | Wobin | FIFTY?! YEP! |
| 11:23.11 | Legorol | but that's an annoying as hell quest, which noone in their right mind can complete by themselves |
| 11:23.13 | krka|work | Legorol, seen the link i posted here earlier? |
| 11:23.23 | Legorol | i will if i scroll back :) |
| 11:23.24 | krka|work | http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/autotravel1.avi |
| 11:23.30 | Shadowd | Azshara doesn't have any I think Legorol |
| 11:23.49 | Legorol | yes it does, Shadowd |
| 11:23.56 | Legorol | there is at least one from IF |
| 11:23.58 | Legorol | if not more |
| 11:24.01 | Mikk1 | Several from IF |
| 11:24.02 | krka|work | i periodically google for "autotravel warcraft" because i am such an ego-freak, today i found that video |
| 11:24.12 | Legorol | where did you find it? |
| 11:25.21 | Legorol | oh i see |
| 11:25.42 | Legorol | krka, will i kill your BW if i download it :) |
| 11:25.48 | krka|work | not really |
| 11:26.07 | Legorol | ok |
| 11:26.16 | Legorol | so i read the forum post associated with it, how do they make it work |
| 11:26.22 | Legorol | or shall i just watch it and find out? |
| 11:26.30 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (i=ckknight@rrcs-67-53-204-251.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 11:26.35 | Legorol | hi there ckknight |
| 11:27.08 | Legorol | krka: have you tried the 3D logic puzzle everyone in here were playing |
| 11:27.20 | Legorol | if so, have you tried hyperframe/speedframe? |
| 11:27.24 | Industrial | ah-ha i brought it here >:) |
| 11:27.33 | Legorol | it's all your fault! |
| 11:27.41 | Legorol | you've takena way my life! |
| 11:27.47 | krka|work | Legorol, yes, i got to 17 or something |
| 11:28.09 | Legorol | hehe, then try this: |
| 11:28.09 | Legorol | http://www.shockwave.com/contentPlay/shockwave.jsp?id=hyperframe |
| 11:28.17 | Legorol | do the 3x3 Speedframe one |
| 11:28.31 | Legorol | it's one of those things like mindsweeper, where you just keep want to beat your record ;-) |
| 11:29.02 | krka|work | then i got bored and tried to solve it algorithmically |
| 11:29.18 | Legorol | that should be easy enough |
| 11:29.29 | krka|work | haven't figured it out yet |
| 11:29.33 | Legorol | not if you do it in your head |
| 11:29.37 | krka|work | (except a naive search) |
| 11:29.42 | Legorol | no there's better way |
| 11:29.42 | Kalroth | yeah, fairly simple pathing algorithm should do it |
| 11:29.45 | krka|work | yeah but you're smart :) |
| 11:30.11 | Legorol | no i meant that it's not easy if you try to do it algorithmically in your head |
| 11:30.19 | Legorol | that won't work too well :) |
| 11:30.26 | Legorol | humans are such poor computers, i always find.. |
| 11:30.32 | Legorol | they don't follow instructions exactly, |
| 11:30.34 | Legorol | easily overheat |
| 11:30.39 | Legorol | throw exceptions |
| 11:30.43 | Legorol | (and other, more painful objects) |
| 11:30.56 | krka|work | i thought you meant it should be easy to solve it algorithmically |
| 11:30.59 | Legorol | have a lot of downtime |
| 11:31.00 | Industrial | got my athlon 64 dusl core 2ghz to 51 degrees yesterday >_o |
| 11:31.10 | Legorol | yeah i meant it should be easy to solve it algorithmically with a machine |
| 11:31.13 | Legorol | but not in your head |
| 11:31.24 | Legorol | although there is a systematic approach you can take, in your head |
| 11:31.40 | Legorol | just ahve to look at the essence of the problem |
| 11:31.52 | MoonWolf | i always try to figure out wich colours should take the long routes first |
| 11:31.52 | Legorol | do away with all that distracting colours and 3D nonsene :) |
| 11:31.57 | MoonWolf | then build further |
| 11:32.16 | Legorol | ok, spoiler coming up, i'll describe the method i used with the harder ones |
| 11:32.22 | Legorol | if you don't want to nkow, turn your logs off now |
| 11:32.41 | Legorol | the key is this: take a color and connect the two endpoints. that forms a line. |
| 11:32.44 | Kalroth | will there be boobies? |
| 11:32.47 | Legorol | take another color, connect the two endpoints |
| 11:32.52 | Legorol | Kalroth: i'm a geek, what do you expect? |
| 11:32.56 | Legorol | that's another line |
| 11:32.56 | Kalroth | :D |
| 11:33.15 | Legorol | think of these two lines as made of a rubber material |
| 11:33.21 | Legorol | if they cross, you have to make one of the two lines snake around the end of the other |
| 11:33.36 | Legorol | that gives 4 possibilities |
| 11:33.48 | Legorol | see which of those makes sense |
| 11:34.07 | Legorol | then if you have chosen one, you have chosen part of the solution for that pair of colors |
| 11:34.12 | Kalroth | yup, that's what I did in the beginning, but later on I ended up counting possible paths instead |
| 11:34.23 | Legorol | you then repeat that process for further color combinations |
| 11:34.32 | Industrial | got to lv 11 on the speed thingy |
| 11:34.33 | Mikk1 | Lego: That works for 4x4s. It expand to chess proportion possibilities later on =) |
| 11:34.34 | Legorol | also, you combine this with another approach |
| 11:34.39 | Industrial | with 8-9k points |
| 11:34.40 | Legorol | Mikk1: not really |
| 11:34.46 | Industrial | then the cube went away or something.. |
| 11:34.51 | krka|work | 14 cubes! |
| 11:34.52 | Legorol | you will find that out of the 4 possibilites, there is often only 1 possible way |
| 11:35.05 | Legorol | you can eliminate the rest due to impossibilities |
| 11:35.10 | Mikk1 | point |
| 11:35.14 | Legorol | e.g. lets say you look at the two lines connecting red and blue |
| 11:35.26 | Legorol | then you say to yourself: if red were to go around this end of blue, it would cut green in half |
| 11:35.31 | Legorol | with no way for green to connect |
| 11:35.33 | Legorol | so that's a no no |
| 11:35.57 | Legorol | and there is another viewpoint to add to this |
| 11:36.10 | Legorol | which is try and map the problem in your head to a 2D view of concentric circles |
| 11:36.30 | Legorol | i find that helps sometimes |
| 11:36.56 | Legorol | anyways, you shouldn't be looking for exact paths, but rather flexible bendy lines :) |
| 11:37.50 | Mikk1 | aye the concentric circle view helps imo |
| 11:38.01 | Mikk1 | damnit |
| 11:38.10 | Mikk1 | you realize we're pretty pathetic, right? =) |
| 11:38.31 | MoonWolf | no |
| 11:38.34 | MoonWolf | were yust geeky |
| 11:38.39 | Mikk1 | true ;) |
| 11:38.43 | Legorol | lol krka!! |
| 11:38.50 | Legorol | that video is hilarious.. |
| 11:39.05 | krka|work | yes, i reduced it to a simpler problem.... numbered circles inside a bigger circle |
| 11:39.17 | krka|work | and tried to draw curves between them to connect |
| 11:39.19 | krka|work | same as you |
| 11:39.44 | krka|work | not a perfect problem-mapping, since you can find solutions in the mapping that won't work in the real thing |
| 11:40.07 | Legorol | if there are obstacles on the field, yes |
| 11:40.08 | Industrial | Legorol: the flashing of the blocks when you complete a clolr os ANOYING and is slowqing down this old PC |
| 11:40.15 | Industrial | shockwave-- |
| 11:40.15 | Legorol | lol |
| 11:40.36 | krka|work | not just obstacles, in the reduction you have no sense of size |
| 11:40.50 | krka|work | a line in my mapping has thickness |
| 11:40.53 | krka|work | has no |
| 11:40.59 | Josh_Borke | erm |
| 11:41.06 | Josh_Borke | i just got a 'That bag is full' error |
| 11:41.17 | Legorol | hm, about this post: |
| 11:41.19 | Legorol | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=354806&p=1&tmp=1#post354806 |
| 11:41.25 | Maldivia | I get that all the time, even though my bags aren't full |
| 11:41.33 | Legorol | that is in direct contradiction with the ToU |
| 11:41.38 | Legorol | since UT is not allowed |
| 11:41.51 | Legorol | but i won't muddle waters :) |
| 11:41.55 | Josh_Borke | UT? |
| 11:42.00 | Legorol | i know that they are just clearing it up for the average folks |
| 11:42.27 | Mikk1 | You get "That bag is full" when trying to buy too many things of something from a vendor |
| 11:42.48 | Josh_Borke | i got it when looting a mob |
| 11:43.21 | Maldivia | Legorol: by UT, you mean ? |
| 11:43.29 | Legorol | sorry, Universal Translator |
| 11:43.32 | Legorol | cross-faction communication |
| 11:44.00 | Legorol | Mikk1: do you get that also if you try to buy multiple copies using Shift+click on the vendor? |
| 11:44.05 | Maldivia | there are a few exceptions to that post, yeah... cross-faction comm and anti-afk comes to mind |
| 11:44.57 | Legorol | also, what about things like AutoTravel, driven by an external hardware solution (e.g. a rotating fan hitting your keyboard repeatedly :)) |
| 11:44.58 | Maldivia | Josh_Borke: I most often get that error, when looting something stackable, and when a stack is (almost) full in the main backpag |
| 11:45.25 | Legorol | the problem is here is that although in and of themselves the use of AddOns won't get you banned, |
| 11:45.26 | Josh_Borke | ( Maldivia ): yea, i'm not too concerned about it. it appears that i looted the items successfully, but it didn't update the loot frame |
| 11:45.47 | Legorol | there are specific things you can do (e.g. anti-afk, automatic play) etc. which use an AddOn as part of them |
| 11:45.54 | Josh_Borke | just the first time i've ever seen th error |
| 11:45.55 | Legorol | which will get you banned |
| 11:46.06 | Maldivia | Josh_Borke: I sometimes get that aswell, although it's most often with money |
| 11:46.14 | Legorol | and lot of people can't make the distinction between "using an AddOn" and "using an AddOn to do something Blizzard doesn't want me to" |
| 11:46.15 | Industrial | I can use any out of game macro program i llike |
| 11:46.27 | Industrial | blizzard has nothing to say about other programs i run in my memory |
| 11:46.27 | Mikk1 | Lego: Dunno really. I've only seen it happen from Lua. |
| 11:46.30 | Legorol | and instead blame the AddON |
| 11:46.35 | Industrial | because the memory is OWNED by me and not blizzard |
| 11:46.37 | Mikk1 | I.e. FrameXML doesn't even let you cross that barrier. |
| 11:46.45 | Legorol | Industrial: that is correct, yet they still ban you |
| 11:46.49 | Maldivia | Legorol: well, having a fan autohitting a key is no entirely in the UI/macro world, since it requires a "hardware" implementation :9 |
| 11:46.50 | Industrial | Legorol: i know |
| 11:46.50 | Legorol | and that is perfectly within their rights |
| 11:46.58 | Industrial | that i cant understand |
| 11:47.07 | Maldivia | Legorol: and if you do not pass the test for automated behaviour, you'll get banned for botting |
| 11:47.08 | Legorol | it's simple: |
| 11:47.09 | MoonWolf | yes, but blizzard does have to say something about things you do with THEIR game. |
| 11:47.13 | Legorol | they can ban you any time for any reason or no reason |
| 11:47.24 | Legorol | they can ban you if your fart smells |
| 11:47.29 | Legorol | as simple as that |
| 11:47.38 | Legorol | you agree to this |
| 11:47.41 | Industrial | WEll i AM playing on their server |
| 11:47.49 | Industrial | but their warden is playing on mY ram |
| 11:48.02 | Industrial | so they need to back off with warden, imo |
| 11:48.02 | Legorol | i agree that Warden is a grey area |
| 11:48.09 | Legorol | i do beleive warden does more than it should |
| 11:48.15 | MoonWolf | actually, it is working in the ram allocated to the Wow executable. |
| 11:48.26 | Legorol | not just that, MoonWolf |
| 11:48.28 | Industrial | cheecking otu the rest of the ram |
| 11:48.31 | Mikk1 | I thought it was looking for other processes |
| 11:48.33 | Legorol | it scans other processes mem space as well, if it can |
| 11:48.35 | Industrial | and even what you type in msn |
| 11:48.35 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 11:48.46 | Industrial | it fricken bans you for talking to banned people |
| 11:48.52 | Industrial | thats ABUSE |
| 11:49.01 | Legorol | Industrial, however it's perfectly acceptable to run WoW with restricted privileges so that Warden can't touch the rest of your system |
| 11:49.07 | Maldivia | yeah, and it doesn't ban you for MSNing with banned people... |
| 11:49.08 | Industrial | yeh true |
| 11:49.24 | Legorol | no it wouldn't ban you for MSN ing banned people :) |
| 11:49.38 | Industrial | sh i was being smart |
| 11:49.39 | Industrial | :P |
| 11:49.44 | Legorol | it would be funny though! |
| 11:49.48 | zenzelezz | and it steals your car keys |
| 11:49.49 | Legorol | NOT |
| 11:49.54 | MoonWolf | even if they could get away with it it would be bad for business. |
| 11:50.00 | Maldivia | and no, it doesn't scan you internet cookies/history... |
| 11:50.06 | MoonWolf | wait not |
| 11:50.09 | Legorol | anyways nowadays they are more open with their stance, i think |
| 11:50.13 | MoonWolf | damnit, placing all those gay porn cookies for nothing! |
| 11:50.13 | Industrial | is it illegal to scan warden? |
| 11:50.14 | Industrial | :P |
| 11:50.25 | MoonWolf | to scan warden itself |
| 11:50.28 | Industrial | yes |
| 11:50.29 | Legorol | Blizzard used to take the approach that: if you can do it via "proper" means, it's ok, if not, it's not ok |
| 11:50.29 | MoonWolf | dont think so |
| 11:50.43 | krka|work | hmm... is there any simple formula for how rightmousebuttondown + mousemovement affects game direction? |
| 11:50.51 | Legorol | but nowadays they take the approach: we have an intended gameplay environment, if you do anything that breaks that *intention*, it's not ok |
| 11:50.54 | MoonWolf | but if you want to decompile / reverse engineer you might run into DMCA problems. |
| 11:50.54 | Legorol | doesn't matter what the solution |
| 11:51.13 | Legorol | krka: i dont' understand |
| 11:51.22 | Legorol | moving mouse up/down pitches camera, left/right rotates |
| 11:51.23 | Industrial | ill keep using my macro programs with wow |
| 11:51.27 | krka|work | i am just asking out of curiousity, i won't do anything naughty with the info ;) |
| 11:51.28 | Legorol | as if it was the left/right arrows |
| 11:51.33 | Industrial | just because it fun to do |
| 11:51.34 | Industrial | :P |
| 11:51.36 | Industrial | it's* |
| 11:51.40 | MoonWolf | rightmouse plus left/right strafes. |
| 11:51.41 | Maldivia | krka: ehh, very simple, hold down right mouse button, move mouse left, your char turns left |
| 11:52.07 | Legorol | krka must have meant something more complex, the question is too simple |
| 11:52.23 | Maldivia | if you want to know degrees/inches moved - no idea :) |
| 11:52.33 | Legorol | Industrial: did you just openly admit to macroing WoW? |
| 11:52.39 | Industrial | yes |
| 11:52.39 | krka|work | i meant the formula for converting mouse movement to rotation angle |
| 11:53.04 | Legorol | krka: that's probably complicated, because it probably involves dynamic mouse sensitivity |
| 11:53.05 | Industrial | Theres no reason to, because im not infecting the community |
| 11:53.09 | Maldivia | krka: depends on the mouse sensitivity settings, I'd gues |
| 11:53.22 | krka|work | my plan is 1) figure out where you want to go and the difference in angle 2) send data to external program 3) move the mouse appropiately (automatically) |
| 11:53.33 | Legorol | by "mouse movement", do you mean a) the amount of distance your physical mouse travelled, or |
| 11:53.35 | Industrial | why not move the movement keys? |
| 11:53.40 | krka|work | no, not physical |
| 11:53.44 | Legorol | b) the signal that the PC receives |
| 11:53.44 | Industrial | move by* |
| 11:53.57 | krka|work | Industrial, then i'm limited by framerate |
| 11:53.57 | Legorol | c) the processed signal fed to WoW |
| 11:53.59 | Legorol | probably c) |
| 11:54.02 | krka|work | yeah |
| 11:54.07 | Industrial | krka|work: right |
| 11:54.17 | krka|work | arrows have only on/off-state |
| 11:54.27 | Legorol | since i have no idea how mouse events are sent from Windows to WoW, i will pass on this |
| 11:54.39 | Mikk1 | Easy |
| 11:54.42 | Mikk1 | They're just window messages |
| 11:54.50 | Legorol | Industrial: fyi, you can do pretty much all macroing of WoW purely within WoW as long as you can feed keypresses to it |
| 11:54.52 | Mikk1 | And completely bypasses the sensitivity problem |
| 11:55.03 | Industrial | Legorol: yes i know |
| 11:55.07 | Legorol | and it takes a 3-line Windows Script to feed keypresses |
| 11:55.13 | Maldivia | Mikk1: I would expect they are fetched from DirectInput, and not from the message queue |
| 11:55.13 | Industrial | :) |
| 11:55.15 | krka|work | could probably dynamically figure out the sensitivity |
| 11:55.21 | Legorol | that is the scariest part, the most trivial solution i found to sending keypresses to wow is this: |
| 11:55.22 | Legorol | 1) open Notepad |
| 11:55.25 | Legorol | 2) type in 3 lines |
| 11:55.28 | Industrial | Maldivia: you have color searches with macro progams though |
| 11:55.29 | Legorol | 3) save as keypresses.vbs |
| 11:55.31 | Legorol | run it |
| 11:55.43 | Industrial | and areas and color ranges |
| 11:55.56 | Legorol | Windows will run this without any additional software, and feed keypresses to WoW |
| 11:56.21 | Mikk1 | Maldivia: Good point there. Unless you can patch the directinput APIs to say "nope, i don't do mouse. go talk to the regular APIs" (AND if WoW actually goes and looks at the regular APIs in that case) |
| 11:56.43 | Mikk1 | Moot point. I'm not really interested in this =) |
| 11:57.06 | Maldivia | Industrial: yeah, I know, although my macro program experience goes as far as looping crafting in SWG, so I didn't destroyed my mouse :) |
| 11:57.08 | Legorol | I think Blizzard is (finally) taking the right approach |
| 11:57.17 | Legorol | since there are so many solutions and avenues to botting, cheating etc. |
| 11:57.24 | Legorol | there is only so much they can do with software-based solutions |
| 11:57.28 | Industrial | Maldivia: In wow there are fishing bots using colors to catch the bobber and splash |
| 11:57.34 | Legorol | instead, having a clear policy about what's unaccaptable, makes it clear to all players |
| 11:57.35 | Maldivia | Industrial: I know |
| 11:57.38 | Industrial | k |
| 11:57.57 | Legorol | so everyone should know when they are in the right/wrong, and they don't need to rely on "does the software let me do it" to decide if they are doing something wrong |
| 11:58.09 | Legorol | There are two, entirely separate issues here as far as i can see it: |
| 11:58.15 | Industrial | You could detect mousing over a target too, and then you have the mouse distance to move the camera and assault the target |
| 11:58.16 | Maldivia | Industrial: never had an urge to automate anything in wow |
| 11:58.19 | Legorol | 1) Blizz needs protection from those that *do* want to cheat |
| 11:58.29 | Legorol | you can only go so far in that directoin |
| 11:58.43 | Legorol | 2) Blizz needs to help those that *don't* want to cheat |
| 11:59.00 | Legorol | their past approach of "if our game lets it, it's ok, if it doesn't let it, it's not ok" approach doesn't work anymore for 2 |
| 11:59.17 | Legorol | there are so many contradictory solutions an average user encounters |
| 11:59.23 | Legorol | AddOns, G15 macros, etc. etc. |
| 11:59.33 | Legorol | are they allowed or not? not clear at all, just based on that approach |
| 11:59.46 | Legorol | Hence it's the right thing for Blizz to do to make clear statements to educate people (in category 2) |
| 11:59.52 | Legorol | which is the approach they are taking recently |
| 12:00.42 | Mikk1 | The way I see it, I could care less if someone uses a bot to level their weapons. Or hey, level from 1 to 60 by grinding some silly mob somewhere. 1-60 is 20 days played. I have 150 >.< |
| 12:00.58 | Mikk1 | What they need to stomp on and FAST is the economy/balance breaking shit |
| 12:01.09 | Mikk1 | Since that actually affects others |
| 12:01.18 | Mikk1 | While someone taking a shortcut to get to 60 only really affects himself |
| 12:02.53 | krka|work | meh, blizzard has partly gotten their big customer base because of their stance on cheating |
| 12:05.33 | Legorol | they have good stance |
| 12:05.35 | Legorol | they still do |
| 12:05.43 | Legorol | it's just that with WoW, it's basically now a case of |
| 12:05.58 | Legorol | if you just get WoW and nothing else, you are obviously fine |
| 12:06.05 | Legorol | but there are other things you *can* get, which are still fine |
| 12:06.14 | Legorol | but, if you are not careful with how you use, goes over to being not fine |
| 12:06.19 | Legorol | and that's what's different about WoW |
| 12:06.23 | Legorol | examples are AddOns and G15 |
| 12:06.56 | Legorol | So Blizz can't control the environment any more by locking things down completely, and saying to the user: |
| 12:07.09 | Legorol | you can use A B and C, and nothing else, then you are fine |
| 12:07.16 | Legorol | because depending on how you use them, you are not fine |
| 12:07.55 | Legorol | I think the G15 is a pefect example of this dilemma |
| 12:08.02 | Legorol | on one hand Blizz can't say that no, you can't use a G15 |
| 12:08.09 | Legorol | but they can say that you can't use a G15 for such and such purposes |
| 12:08.20 | Legorol | and this confuses the heck out of simple Joe, |
| 12:08.28 | Legorol | because Joe now actually has to use his head and make responsible decisions |
| 12:09.19 | Industrial | whats a g15? |
| 12:09.22 | Industrial | macro keyboard? |
| 12:09.47 | MoonWolf | yeah |
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| 12:26.34 | Josh_Borke | morning Kaelten |
| 12:26.56 | Kaelten | hi josh |
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| 12:40.33 | Kirkburn | New piccie of a Draenei female: http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Uncorrupted_draenei_female_scan.jpg |
| 12:41.23 | zenzelezz | :-| |
| 12:43.03 | Kirkburn | At least it shows they're not NE copies :) |
| 12:44.28 | zenzelezz | I still want drakonids as playable race |
| 12:44.41 | zenzelezz | only thing is I guess they wouldn't look as cool in player-type armor |
| 12:45.31 | zenzelezz | now there's a disturbing picture... drakonid in a dress |
| 12:46.28 | End | o_O |
| 12:47.04 | Kirkburn | We've already got cows in dresses ... |
| 12:47.25 | End | it's a robe |
| 12:47.26 | zenzelezz | yes, but drakonids are much larger and meaner-looking than tauren |
| 12:47.29 | End | thank you very much |
| 12:50.47 | zenzelezz | "Were you listening to me Neo, or were you looking at the drakonid in the red dress?" |
| 13:30.33 | Wobin | I <3 GIMP's perspective tool |
| 13:30.40 | Wobin | It does all the matrix mathematics for me =P |
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| 13:45.55 | Kirkburn | This article is ... weird. Ian McKellen looks like another person :( http://www.fxguide.com/article357.html |
| 13:46.35 | Thrae | I think if a function tries to do three CastSpellByName calls in a row, WoW does offendingfunction = function(...) return end |
| 13:50.19 | Legorol | Thrae: what?? |
| 13:50.39 | Legorol | that'd be insane |
| 13:52.28 | Thrae | Legorol: It's looking that way to me. My function only fires once after trying to call three CastSpellByName 's in a row (where one of them is suppose to fail) |
| 13:54.14 | Legorol | i presume you put debug statements in it.. |
| 13:54.21 | Legorol | so that you can check to be sure it is getting called or not |
| 13:54.28 | End | that's what I was thinking... |
| 13:54.36 | Legorol | is this function inside an event handler? |
| 13:54.39 | Legorol | does the event stop getting fired? |
| 13:54.40 | Legorol | etc. |
| 13:54.46 | Thrae | Right, at the top of the function before any if statements. And I'm calling it from a macro, with a button press. |
| 13:54.46 | Legorol | i'd confirm all these things |
| 13:54.57 | Legorol | ok |
| 13:55.01 | End | if it is in an event handler, spells couldn't get casted anyways |
| 13:55.09 | Legorol | what happens if you check the address the function's name is pointing to? |
| 13:55.17 | Legorol | tostring(functionName) will get you the addresss |
| 13:55.26 | Legorol | does this address change? |
| 13:56.04 | Legorol | could you pastebin the macro and the function? |
| 13:56.33 | Legorol | sorry to be so skeptical, but more often than not there is some ahaaaaaaaa, of course!!! reason to these things |
| 13:56.41 | Kirkburn | Crazier by the day, we are the RIAA! http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=33631 |
| 13:57.46 | Legorol | although it's crazy, it's entirely legal |
| 13:57.54 | Legorol | technically, the YouTube uploads are breaking the law |
| 13:58.04 | Legorol | it's the Law that's crazy (and needs changing) |
| 13:58.08 | End | yeah |
| 13:58.09 | Legorol | plus RIAA needs to be shot :) |
| 13:58.13 | End | Legorol is right |
| 13:58.15 | End | on all counts :P |
| 13:58.26 | End | including the last bit about needing to be shot |
| 13:58.27 | Legorol | hehe, glad to see some support |
| 13:58.54 | Kirkburn | True, it's illegal, but so is taping TV shows, technically |
| 13:59.02 | Legorol | nope, depends on the country |
| 13:59.11 | Legorol | i only know the UK copyright law in detail |
| 13:59.20 | Legorol | here, you are allowed to tape a TV show for "timeshifting" purposes |
| 13:59.23 | Legorol | i.e. to watch it later |
| 13:59.33 | Legorol | but you can't tape it for the purpose of multiple repeated viewings |
| 13:59.33 | Kirkburn | Damn, you're right :/ |
| 13:59.53 | Legorol | i assume that US actually has more freedom in taping TV shows |
| 14:00.03 | Legorol | the US fair use rights in copyright are more relaxed than in the UK |
| 14:00.10 | End | yeah, you can do it, but the law isn't very clear |
| 14:00.12 | Legorol | UK's copyright law is very tightfisted |
| 14:00.27 | Kirkburn | Tightfisted, but they don't actually do anything about it much :) |
| 14:00.32 | Legorol | that's right |
| 14:00.46 | Legorol | you are far more likely to get sued in the US for something stupid like copying your CD onto your portable music player |
| 14:00.48 | Legorol | :) |
| 14:00.50 | End | I think the deal with the US is that it isn't very clear, and open to a lot of interpretation |
| 14:01.07 | Legorol | yeah, especially the bit about being allowed to give music to your friend |
| 14:01.11 | Legorol | correct me if i am wrong here, but |
| 14:01.19 | Legorol | one of the fair use clauses involves copying it for a friend? |
| 14:01.24 | Legorol | i could be wrong on this one |
| 14:01.33 | Kirkburn | We-ll, it's even less so in the UK, we don't really have set 'laws', but instead 'guidelines' |
| 14:01.37 | End | I dunno, never heard about that specifically |
| 14:01.44 | Legorol | i vaguely remember there being something like that |
| 14:01.48 | Legorol | probably not blatant copying |
| 14:02.06 | Legorol | it's the thing that people tried to use as an excuse for file-sharing |
| 14:02.33 | Kirkburn | Most UK court decisions are based on what happened the last time in court |
| 14:02.37 | Legorol | Kirkburn: all laws are only guideliens, because they can never cover all cases |
| 14:02.41 | Legorol | that's why you have courts |
| 14:02.58 | Legorol | true, precedence is important |
| 14:03.06 | Legorol | but the US is far more precedence based than the UK |
| 14:03.08 | Kirkburn | That's the word I was looking for :) |
| 14:03.15 | Legorol | in the US, precedence becomes the law, pretty much |
| 14:03.19 | End | Yeah |
| 14:03.21 | Kirkburn | I should be off to Uni, be back later! |
| 14:03.26 | Legorol | that's why the first case about any issue is so important |
| 14:03.26 | End | cya Kirkburn |
| 14:03.31 | Legorol | bye Kirkburn |
| 14:03.36 | Kirkburn|Uni | see ya :) |
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| 14:11.51 | Josh_Borke | morning cide |
| 14:11.57 | Cide | morning |
| 14:13.51 | Josh_Borke | anyway that you could make it easy to use CTRA com channel in other mods? ^_^ |
| 14:14.24 | wereHamster | ... |
| 14:14.45 | Cide | it'll be easier in the next version :P but you can still use it pretty easily |
| 14:15.50 | Josh_Borke | tease! you must give details! |
| 14:16.20 | Cide | it's too uncomplete right now |
| 14:16.30 | Cide | leveling this character takes all of my time |
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| 16:20.28 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Mod Dev Discussions. 1.11 PTR up. |
| 16:20.51 | Legorol | Mikk1: thanks! |
| 16:27.44 | Legorol | damn, wiki is case sensitive, right? |
| 16:27.59 | Legorol | my tables contain Drak'thul as the realm name, but the page that exists already is named Drak'Thul |
| 16:30.53 | End | case sensitivity is specific to each wiki |
| 16:31.09 | End | wikipedia isn't case sensitive, but I think wowwiki is |
| 16:33.11 | Legorol | ok, then how do i move a page to a new name :) |
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| 16:35.10 | Legorol | aha, there is a move tab :) |
| 16:36.30 | Kirkburn | As long as the name is how it is shown in WoW, that's how it should be on the wiki :) |
| 16:37.06 | Legorol | yup |
| 16:37.27 | Legorol | Kirkburn: you may remember, there were speculations that some english realms are hosted in London |
| 16:37.33 | Legorol | well, none that i could find :) |
| 16:37.40 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 16:38.25 | Legorol | http://www.teliasoneraic.com/ts/teliasonera/home.do_tabId=3.html |
| 16:38.36 | Legorol | click on one of the links under Interactive network map on the right |
| 16:39.06 | Legorol | Click "More about IP", and then "IP Server colocation" |
| 16:40.04 | Kirkburn | Perhaps number 6 will indeed be in London ... it would be nice :P |
| 16:42.27 | End | grr, I have a cough I've been unable to shake |
| 16:44.10 | Legorol | well the Hamburg center just opened |
| 16:44.15 | Legorol | i don't expect them to open one soon |
| 16:44.35 | Legorol | I think Hamburg is the one that uses the new hardware they tested with 1.10 |
| 16:44.58 | Legorol | hopefully it will get retrofitted to the existing realms too |
| 16:45.32 | Kirkburn | There's definately another coming very soon |
| 16:45.54 | Kirkburn | It was mentioned that both the US and EU were getting sixth datacentres around the end of June |
| 16:46.01 | Legorol | aha |
| 16:46.06 | Legorol | didn't know that |
| 16:46.09 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 16:46.10 | Legorol | it'll probably be Hamburg 2 though |
| 16:46.17 | Legorol | easier service |
| 16:46.21 | Kirkburn | I think it was on the Battleplan 3 |
| 16:46.27 | Legorol | ah |
| 16:46.34 | Legorol | then maybe that will be the one to get the new hardware |
| 16:46.40 | Legorol | and i was confusing it with Hamburg |
| 16:47.10 | Kirkburn | "Beyond this 5th World of Warcraft site, we are preparing to bring up a 6th site before the end of May" :/ |
| 16:47.16 | Kirkburn | That was from the US version |
| 16:47.32 | Legorol | i haven't bothered following what's happening to US servers |
| 16:47.39 | Legorol | i'm very ignorant like that |
| 16:47.54 | Legorol | if people in the US are so ignorant of the EU, i think i'm justified :p |
| 16:47.58 | Kirkburn | Ah, EU version: We recently brought a new World of Warcraft site online in Europe -- the 5th one in this region, which allowed us to open new realms -- each site can hold approximately 40. Beyond this 5th World of Warcraft site, we are preparing to bring up a 6th site before the end of May |
| 16:48.14 | Legorol | hasn't happened yet :) |
| 16:48.33 | Kirkburn | I seem to recall them mentioning they were having problems :( |
| 16:48.44 | Legorol | the thing that annoys me usually is that whenever you talk about something to do with WoW, the default is US |
| 16:48.52 | Legorol | unless you specifically mention (EU) in brackets afterwards |
| 16:48.55 | Legorol | unfair |
| 16:48.57 | Tain | USA! USA! |
| 16:48.59 | Kirkburn | I know! :( |
| 16:49.04 | Legorol | what gets me is fansites |
| 16:49.12 | Legorol | they say server Silvermoon, server Dragonmaw blah blah |
| 16:49.18 | Legorol | as if that was the only Silvermoon in existence |
| 16:49.33 | zenzelezz | I do it the other way around |
| 16:49.44 | zenzelezz | I play on Silvermoon, used to play on US-Arthas |
| 16:49.46 | Tain | Yeah but keep in mind the people in the US have no way of knowing what the EU realm names are, they don't get to see them. |
| 16:49.49 | Legorol | zenzelezz: hehe |
| 16:50.00 | Tain | Well normally. Not that they *can't* see them. |
| 16:50.01 | Kirkburn | How does that not work the other way around? |
| 16:50.02 | Legorol | Tain: just like i don't get to see the US realm names? |
| 16:50.07 | Legorol | come on! |
| 16:50.11 | Legorol | there is realms list on both pages |
| 16:50.12 | Legorol | in english |
| 16:50.16 | Legorol | there are realm lists on the wiki |
| 16:50.22 | Josh|Gone | well, i'll just come out and say i'm an ignorant ass :-D |
| 16:50.22 | Legorol | if I can do it, so can they |
| 16:50.25 | Tain | Why would someone in the US look at the other one? |
| 16:50.32 | Tain | If they don't play on any EU servers? |
| 16:50.37 | Legorol | Tain: i agree |
| 16:50.44 | Legorol | so why should I in the EU look at the US :p |
| 16:50.48 | Tain | If someone is going to look at both that's a bonus for them. |
| 16:50.57 | Legorol | but let's face it... |
| 16:51.01 | Legorol | everyone knows that it works like thsi: |
| 16:51.03 | Legorol | US looks at US |
| 16:51.07 | Legorol | EU looks at US and EU |
| 16:51.18 | Tain | Sure, but that's not the US' fault. |
| 16:51.22 | Legorol | i agree |
| 16:51.26 | Legorol | it's Blizzard's :p |
| 16:51.38 | Legorol | admittedly there are some US players who read the EU forums |
| 16:51.38 | Tain | More or less. |
| 16:51.50 | Legorol | and they even link to it going "zommmmggg EU got something before us!!!!" |
| 16:51.57 | Kirkburn | We got the first C'thun kill ;) |
| 16:51.59 | Legorol | i remember a great period, when |
| 16:52.06 | Legorol | there were two threads, one on each forum |
| 16:52.09 | Legorol | linked to each other |
| 16:52.13 | Legorol | US bashing EU and vice versa |
| 16:52.16 | Legorol | was very funny |
| 16:52.28 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 16:52.44 | Tain | Yeah but of course the when you're talking EU encounters you have to factor in the exchange rate. |
| 16:52.47 | Legorol | either way, i am just happy that I know English, so that I can follow the US page too |
| 16:52.58 | Legorol | if i was German or French player, the info i get would be far more restricted |
| 16:53.04 | Legorol | (although i'd probably still speak English) |
| 16:53.05 | Tain | So a boss with 100,000 EU hit points that's like 125,000 hitpoints US. |
| 16:53.16 | Legorol | lol |
| 16:53.21 | Legorol | actually Tain, you know what? |
| 16:53.37 | Legorol | let me find the links .. |
| 16:53.55 | Tain | There are definitely US people who play mostly on EU servers because of the time differences. |
| 16:54.56 | Legorol | bah, EU site is crawling, i can't link |
| 16:54.57 | Tain | I'd like to see all servers together for everyone to play on ideally, but I know they're seperated out more geogrphically for performance. |
| 16:55.37 | Legorol | Ah, there we go |
| 16:55.43 | Tain | But back in the days of EverQuest when there weren't any EU servers at all everyone was on the same servers and there was constant activity 24 hours a day. |
| 16:55.46 | Legorol | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/worlddungeons.html |
| 16:55.49 | Legorol | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/worlddungeons.html |
| 16:55.53 | Legorol | compare those two ;-) |
| 16:56.01 | Legorol | identical content, except for the recommended level ranges |
| 16:56.12 | Legorol | on the EU page, every single instance has a lower level range, by 3-5 levels |
| 16:56.19 | Legorol | this clearly shows that EU players are more hardcore :p |
| 16:56.20 | Tain | Oh yeah I've seen that before, it's funny. |
| 16:56.30 | Legorol | and actually, the EU one is the correct one |
| 16:56.40 | Legorol | considering levels of mobs at the beginning/end of the instance, |
| 16:56.45 | Legorol | levels of bosses, levels of quests involved |
| 16:57.12 | Legorol | ehm... hold on!!!! |
| 16:57.16 | Legorol | what??? they are now both the same |
| 16:57.17 | Tain | I dunno, US says Deadmines 15-20, EU says 17-26. Wimpy EU players! |
| 16:57.25 | Tain | Still playing Deadmines at 26 while we're in at 15! |
| 16:57.45 | Legorol | they synchronized most of the content :( |
| 16:57.51 | MoonWolf | you cant realisticly complete deadmines at 15 |
| 16:57.51 | Legorol | meh.. it used to be a fun thing to point out |
| 16:57.52 | Tain | Some are still different. |
| 16:57.52 | End | most are the same, but a few are different |
| 16:57.59 | MoonWolf | you can do it about half way. |
| 16:58.07 | Legorol | ehm... MoonWolf, that's because everyone plays instances wrong |
| 16:58.13 | Legorol | everyone always wants to get to the *end* |
| 16:58.18 | MoonWolf | we had this discussion before. |
| 16:58.20 | Legorol | but an instance has a range of mobs, with a range of quests |
| 16:58.22 | Legorol | yup |
| 16:58.23 | Legorol | we did indeed |
| 16:58.28 | Mikk1 | Legorol: It's common practice on WoWWiki to set up pages with case variations as redirects to the right page. (And in moving your page, you actually created such a redirect automagically, so grats =)) |
| 16:58.43 | Legorol | yeah, i figured it out :) thanks |
| 16:59.17 | Legorol | they made teh EU page look wimpy now as well :( |
| 16:59.18 | Legorol | blah |
| 16:59.26 | Legorol | lowest level on SM for example is 34... |
| 16:59.32 | Legorol | but mobs in Graveyard are 31-32 |
| 16:59.44 | MoonWolf | What, there is graveyard ? |
| 16:59.47 | MoonWolf | :P |
| 16:59.57 | Legorol | hehe |
| 17:00.08 | Legorol | zenzelezz: did you say you are on Silvermoon now? |
| 17:00.13 | Legorol | I'm on Silvermoon too! |
| 17:00.14 | Legorol | wohoo |
| 17:02.08 | Legorol | this is sad... Maraudon, lowest level 46? |
| 17:02.16 | Legorol | but Shadowshard Fragments is a level 42 quest |
| 17:02.32 | Legorol | and with a two-man duo, we have fought ourselves a fair bit into the purple part at 45 |
| 17:02.50 | Legorol | everyone's a wimp |
| 17:06.02 | zenzelezz | Legorol: aye, I'm Zenzio on Silvermoon |
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| 17:10.51 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 17:11.43 | Josh|Gone | HELLO! |
| 17:15.35 | End | HELO THER |
| 17:16.24 | Josh|Gone | >< |
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| 17:31.10 | Wobin | hm, is it possible to use the cooldown model in a lua generated frame? |
| 17:43.29 | Mikk1 | lua generated frames start out with nothing at all. you'll have to put everything in yourself. |
| 17:44.22 | Mikk1 | but yeah, i don't see why not. just a bit of work =) |
| 17:47.22 | Josh|Gone | cooldown model? |
| 17:53.21 | Tem | Wobin, yes |
| 17:53.33 | Tem | I've done it before for lua-only action buttons |
| 17:53.41 | Wobin | Yeah, I'm slowly piecing it together =) |
| 17:53.55 | Wobin | The cooldown model is pretty simple actually |
| 17:54.05 | Josh|Gone | is that going to be fully possible in 1.11? |
| 17:54.19 | Josh|Gone | i know there was something about inheritance being borked/non-existent for lua created frames |
| 17:56.29 | Tem | I don't know of anything we can't do in 1.11 with lua-only frames |
| 17:57.01 | Tem | What was the application that let you load character models and dress them with random items? |
| 17:57.57 | JoshBorke | wowmodelviewer? |
| 17:59.33 | Tem | yes, that's the one |
| 17:59.42 | Tem | any idea where I can find it? |
| 18:00.35 | Tem | nvm, I found it |
| 18:01.12 | JoshBorke | not an exact link, just the CG link |
| 18:05.08 | End | hmm |
| 18:05.35 | JoshBorke | HELO THER |
| 18:05.36 | End | irssi says I have a lag of 31 (??) |
| 18:05.36 | End | question marks included |
| 18:05.53 | Mikk1 | Huhwah? 1.11 will allow inheriting virtual objects in CreateFrame()? |
| 18:06.32 | End | it's steadily rising too |
| 18:06.45 | JoshBorke | ( End ): the number of '??'s? |
| 18:06.51 | End | just two |
| 18:06.52 | End | whoooa |
| 18:06.57 | End | I was lagging all right |
| 18:07.06 | Mikk1 | Got a 2 sec ping RTT from you now |
| 18:07.08 | End | or -something- |
| 18:07.17 | Mikk1 | 1s |
| 18:07.29 | JoshBorke | ( Mikk1 ): yes: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=343889&p=1&tmp=1#post343889 |
| 18:07.42 | End | well |
| 18:07.45 | End | I'm no longer lagging |
| 18:07.53 | End | but, it was weird |
| 18:08.02 | End | I could send things, and see them |
| 18:08.14 | End | but couldn't see anything from anyone else...then suddenly it all comes at once |
| 18:09.26 | Mikk1 | Omg. That's wonderful news. Excuse me while I go play some skin banjo to rid myself of the excitement =) |
| 18:09.39 | End | :O |
| 18:09.56 | End | anyways, yeah, that means virtual frames are persistant now too |
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| 18:10.18 | Mikk1 | Heh. Good thing they're already persistant in WoWBench then, or I'd be in for some work =P |
| 18:10.40 | JoshBorke | wouldn't you know it. as soon as i'm going to do something, AB pops |
| 18:10.58 | Mikk1 | Cide around? |
| 18:11.08 | Cide | yes |
| 18:11.11 | Mikk1 | O |
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| 18:11.28 | Mikk1 | Did you get around to writing LoadAddOn? if not, i'm in a coding mood after spending too much time documenting stuff =) |
| 18:11.41 | Cide | kind of |
| 18:11.48 | Cide | but it's not working 100% |
| 18:11.54 | Mikk1 | mkay |
| 18:11.56 | Cide | since it tries to load from AddonsFolder\ModName |
| 18:12.12 | Cide | but blizzard's mods are loaded from the MPQ if they aren't found there I believe |
| 18:12.21 | End | well |
| 18:12.21 | Cide | so I get a "file not found" since I don't have their mods in there |
| 18:12.35 | Mikk1 | Ah. It should try loading from BlizzardInterface/AddOns too |
| 18:12.44 | Cide | ya |
| 18:12.51 | End | Mikk1 said what I was about to say, just shorter |
| 18:13.29 | Mikk1 | Or hrm |
| 18:13.40 | End | oh ew, if you do it the "Blizzard way", you'd have to read in the list at start up, but you can't really do a directory listing cross platform afaik |
| 18:13.41 | Mikk1 | Actally, that's not what WoW does i think? |
| 18:13.56 | End | (the list being, the list of all AddOns) |
| 18:13.58 | Mikk1 | Doesn't it find a "foo.pub" file and then go look in the mpq? |
| 18:14.08 | End | well |
| 18:14.14 | Mikk1 | End: Not a problem. Can just try opening a file and try something else if it fails |
| 18:14.24 | Kaso | could someone tell me link to the PTR-to-live UI comparison thingy on wowi |
| 18:14.31 | End | Mikk1: and try all possible permutations? |
| 18:14.36 | Mikk1 | There's more than two? o.O |
| 18:14.52 | End | for getting the list of AddOns! |
| 18:15.33 | End | You got things like GetNumAddOns(), GetAddOnInfo(), etc etc |
| 18:15.40 | End | as well as being able to load by index |
| 18:15.45 | Mikk1 | Oh ew |
| 18:15.51 | End | that's what I said |
| 18:16.20 | End | an all lua aproach does have a few drawbacks |
| 18:16.26 | Mikk1 | But doesn't that just operate on what's actually specified to load? |
| 18:16.34 | Mikk1 | WoW loads everything in the directories |
| 18:16.43 | Mikk1 | WoWBench relies on config.lua + commandline |
| 18:16.49 | End | hmm |
| 18:16.49 | Mikk1 | So isn't that my list? |
| 18:16.58 | End | well, I dunno |
| 18:17.28 | End | I hadn't thought about that, but I suppose your AddOn list doesn't have to be complete |
| 18:17.38 | End | whatever you have discovered on dependency loading and command line |
| 18:17.49 | Mikk1 | yeah |
| 18:17.56 | End | do you force load of LoadOnDemand addons if they are specified on command line? |
| 18:18.02 | Mikk1 | no |
| 18:18.03 | Mikk1 | not yet |
| 18:18.07 | Mikk1 | you have to type them yourself |
| 18:18.13 | End | erm, I mean |
| 18:18.43 | End | hmm |
| 18:18.53 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 18:19.40 | End | oh |
| 18:20.03 | Mikk1 | tbfh it's not a high priority for me personally |
| 18:20.06 | Mikk1 | it's a developer tool |
| 18:20.08 | End | I was asking about LoadOnDemand though :P |
| 18:20.16 | Mikk1 | Ergh. I slow. |
| 18:20.27 | Mikk1 | Anything listed just gets loaded, pronto. |
| 18:20.29 | End | ok |
| 18:20.39 | End | now I know the answer to what I was asking |
| 18:20.41 | Mikk1 | LoadOnDemand would be a lot more interesting to get done though |
| 18:20.49 | Mikk1 | Since it can introduce problems that need debugging |
| 18:21.43 | End | so what was wrong? :P |
| 18:22.03 | Mikk1 | Bah. I (the project admin) needed to give myself rights to use it. |
| 18:22.07 | Industrial | IM FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 18:22.12 | End | haha |
| 18:22.18 | End | that's what I figured out eventually |
| 18:22.23 | Industrial | 10 month internship ended :-) |
| 18:22.33 | Mikk1 | Grats! Dole! =) |
| 18:22.35 | Industrial | wheeee |
| 18:28.51 | Kaso | can someone tell me the url for the thing on wowi that has the test Default UI on it. |
| 18:32.20 | Industrial | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/templates/twinks/20-29/hunter |
| 18:32.25 | Industrial | Did I forget anything? |
| 18:32.34 | Industrial | Kaso: wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 18:32.37 | Kaso | ty |
| 18:32.42 | Industrial | np |
| 18:33.07 | Kaso | earring? |
| 18:33.49 | Industrial | oops |
| 18:34.13 | Industrial | refresh ^^' |
| 18:34.15 | Industrial | Ring |
| 18:34.54 | Kaso | cant enchant neck or shirt |
| 18:35.31 | Industrial | k |
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| 18:39.03 | Qzot | Heyo. |
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| 19:17.46 | Mikk1 | Okay, so, basically, new NormalText is a combination of NormalFont and ButtonText and allows everything that they both used to allow? |
| 19:17.58 | Mikk1 | The only difference being that you can actually have different text for different button states now |
| 19:21.27 | Mikk1 | Er, wait. Totally the other way around. |
| 19:21.38 | Mikk1 | What the hell am I smoking. |
| 19:24.46 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:25.07 | JoshBorke | have conversations with yourself often? |
| 19:25.19 | Mikk1 | I choose not to answer the question. |
| 19:27.50 | End | keep in mind, the old style is being kept around for backwards compatibility |
| 19:28.11 | End | (and the UI.xsd doesn't "accept" the old style) |
| 19:30.23 | Mikk1 | Yeah, good thing I don't enforce UI.xsd then |
| 19:30.35 | Mikk1 | (And yeah I saw FrameXML still using the old style) |
| 19:47.40 | Mikk1 | Omg omg omg omg omg omg! |
| 19:47.45 | Mikk1 | HasKey()! |
| 19:47.48 | Mikk1 | Keyrings! |
| 19:48.02 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:48.19 | Mikk1 | (much more exciting to learn about news by reading framexml than reading patchnotes =)) |
| 19:49.23 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:57.49 | Industrial | How do i trin my pet? |
| 19:57.50 | Industrial | cant find it |
| 19:58.01 | Industrial | not in the spellbook nore in the talents pane |
| 20:02.04 | Legorol | you get the action as a result of a quest |
| 20:02.10 | Legorol | are you a brand new hunter? |
| 20:02.20 | Legorol | the first hunter-specific quest will only get you the tame beast action |
| 20:02.27 | Legorol | you have to carry on with hunter-specific quests |
| 20:02.37 | Legorol | the next one will get you feed pet and train pet, i think |
| 20:03.46 | Legorol | Mikk1: welcome to three weeks ago? |
| 20:03.54 | Legorol | did you never see the test realm patch notes :) |
| 20:04.00 | Legorol | I am just teasing you |
| 20:05.33 | JoshBorke | i believe it's 4 weeks now :D |
| 20:05.48 | End | thank god for tags and branches |
| 20:05.59 | Mikk1 | Legorol: That's when I started turning WoWWiki upside down. Haven't touched WoW for 4 weeks. |
| 20:06.07 | Mikk1 | First time I logged on was last night. |
| 20:06.35 | Mikk1 | Whoot! WoWBench loads cleanly with 1.11 framexml now. |
| 20:07.03 | Legorol | Mikk1: do you have a link for wowbench? |
| 20:07.05 | Legorol | it's on SF, right? |
| 20:07.08 | Mikk1 | yep |
| 20:07.12 | Legorol | i might play around with it on weekend |
| 20:07.19 | Mikk1 | http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/wowbench |
| 20:07.34 | Mikk1 | I'll push out an 1.11.0.a1 package |
| 20:07.45 | Legorol | tyvmucho |
| 20:08.07 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench <- recommended reading |
| 20:08.13 | Legorol | are you aware of the WoW UI designer? |
| 20:08.16 | Mikk1 | yes |
| 20:08.18 | Mikk1 | i detest it =) |
| 20:08.20 | Legorol | maybe the two could be integrated somehow? |
| 20:08.22 | Legorol | ah |
| 20:08.24 | Legorol | oki :) |
| 20:08.51 | Legorol | i take that's detest as in hate, and not as in de-test |
| 20:08.51 | Mikk1 | it just a general dislike for point-and-drool programming |
| 20:09.02 | Legorol | lol, i love this line: |
| 20:09.04 | Legorol | "WoWBench is a utility by programmers, for programmers" |
| 20:09.11 | Legorol | good thing it's not by the users, for the programmers |
| 20:09.16 | Mikk1 | hehe |
| 20:09.28 | Mikk1 | though that might be a learning experience =P |
| 20:09.50 | Mikk1 | plus i don't like how uides generates XML. it should just use blizzard's virtuals |
| 20:10.02 | Mikk1 | it's missing out on so much built-in functionality by generating its own |
| 20:10.08 | Mikk1 | like cancel = lose input box focus for one |
| 20:10.39 | Mikk1 | (On a sidenote, I have an idea about building a UI designer _ADDON_. it's possible now as of 1.10) |
| 20:10.47 | Mikk1 | (Well, perhaps better saved for 1.11 because of virtuals) |
| 20:11.14 | Mikk1 | It could spew out XML, _OR_ Lua code with CreateFrame()s |
| 20:11.45 | Mikk1 | It'd make it much easier to tell what it actually looks like, in-game |
| 20:11.46 | JoshBorke | ( Mikk1 ): i feel teh same way about UIDes |
| 20:11.56 | JoshBorke | i hated all the junk it spiewed out into the XML file |
| 20:12.05 | JoshBorke | so much cleaner to use Blizzard virtuals |
| 20:22.25 | Legorol | Mikk1: go for XML, if you can |
| 20:22.31 | Legorol | most people here hate XML |
| 20:22.46 | Legorol | therefore you will find that there is an overly strong drive to use CreateFrame, even when it's overkill |
| 20:22.58 | Legorol | but frankly, for most tasks, XML is lot better |
| 20:23.12 | Legorol | CreateFrame really should be for small, dynamic things |
| 20:23.16 | Legorol | not complex UI design |
| 20:23.21 | Tain | Nah I wouldn't say for most tasks. |
| 20:23.34 | Tain | Once you can really do the same things in both it comes to what you're more comfortable using. |
| 20:23.40 | Legorol | most things that need a static, but complex, UI design |
| 20:23.56 | Legorol | Tain: yes and no |
| 20:24.02 | Legorol | it is easier for you, maybe |
| 20:24.03 | Tain | See that's the thing, I can do complex in Lua easier than in XML. |
| 20:24.04 | Mikk1 | Hm, the point in spewing out CreateFrame() code vanishes in 1.11, really. It had a valid use before. But now, you can create dynamic things from virtuals, so you don't really need the CreateFrame approach. |
| 20:24.15 | Legorol | but XML is, once you get used to it, actually much cleaner to read/write than the corresponding Lua |
| 20:24.17 | Mikk1 | Tain has a point though |
| 20:24.19 | Tain | Right that's my point, whichever langugae someone is more comfortable with. |
| 20:24.39 | Mikk1 | If you're creating objects that are NEARLY the same, but not really, you might need to use the Lua approach |
| 20:25.02 | Mikk1 | Which such a designer AddOn would make MUCH less painfull |
| 20:25.12 | Mikk1 | Hell, it could even take an XML object and generate Lua to paint it |
| 20:25.14 | Legorol | Tain: to be honest, I like the clear demarcation that XML is for design and appearance, Lua is for functionality |
| 20:25.25 | Legorol | heck, you could probably write almost the entire UI in purely Lua in 1.11 |
| 20:25.36 | Legorol | but i would say it would make it much much more ugly looking |
| 20:25.37 | Mikk1 | Or take a Lua-generated object and generate XML for it |
| 20:25.39 | Mikk1 | Nuts =) |
| 20:25.40 | Tain | I do think that's more preference though, not necessarily a function of the languages. |
| 20:25.55 | Legorol | i think you are 90% right |
| 20:25.57 | Tain | It's more how an individual is able to visualize from what he's reading. |
| 20:26.11 | Legorol | the 10% comes in that in XML you have things laid out according toa strict structure |
| 20:26.28 | Legorol | i like that, it forces you to think about structure rather than code |
| 20:26.36 | Mikk1 | but you also HAVE to have things laid out in a strict structure |
| 20:26.47 | Tain | That is true, absolutely. |
| 20:26.55 | Mikk1 | it doesn't let you e.g. take a dialog and shove it quickly into 5 frames and hide or resize items easily |
| 20:27.31 | Mikk1 | a for() loop with CreateFrame() calls inside it could have all sorts of funky if() clauses |
| 20:27.42 | Legorol | Ok I think it all comes down to what Blizzard's intention was from the UI, and what AddOn developers are doing |
| 20:27.45 | Tain | For me XML adds so much extra "stuff" that it makes me feel like I'm wading through a sea of characters to find what I really want. |
| 20:27.48 | Legorol | Blizzard wanted to *describe* their UI |
| 20:27.54 | Legorol | by nature, modders want to *change* things |
| 20:28.05 | Legorol | the first one is static, the 2nd one is dynamic inherently |
| 20:28.12 | Mikk1 | this is getting religious tbh. i'll go push out the update instead =) |
| 20:28.19 | Legorol | hehe |
| 20:29.04 | Tain | Of course I look at it from a purely egocentric view. But! I can't help but think if I prefer things one way then someone else must as well. |
| 20:29.12 | Legorol | I have absolutely nothing against an AddOn developer writing their AddOn entirely in Lua, if they want to |
| 20:29.34 | Legorol | However, I do think that the base UI should be XML-based, like it is now |
| 20:29.43 | Tain | Down with XML! |
| 20:29.46 | Legorol | hehe |
| 20:29.48 | Legorol | see, i told ya |
| 20:29.51 | Legorol | people here hate the XML |
| 20:30.07 | Legorol | Tain: you know how i started UI coding? |
| 20:30.15 | Legorol | opened up a bunch of XML, realised i don't understand a word of it, |
| 20:30.22 | Legorol | so i opened up UI.xsd instead and started reading that :) |
| 20:30.39 | Tain | I did the same thing. I coded one addon that was actually almost entirely XML. |
| 20:30.44 | Legorol | but i am always a "read the manual and reference first" type of guy |
| 20:30.55 | Tain | I learned enough to know I hated doing it. |
| 20:30.56 | Legorol | oh, i did lots of XML |
| 20:31.07 | Legorol | i don't learn by example usually, but learn from reference |
| 20:31.11 | Legorol | opposite of the vast majority of people |
| 20:31.47 | Tain | Well, I like both. I like learning from other people's examples because they give things a point of reference. |
| 20:31.59 | Tain | But I don't blindly accept that the way that person did it was a "good" way. |
| 20:32.03 | JoshBorke | hrm, i don't despise XML that much... |
| 20:32.27 | JoshBorke | then again, i do nothing complex :D |
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| 20:34.52 | JoshBorke | heya ckknight |
| 20:34.53 | wereHamster | I like creating frames in lua for my small addons because I can keep everything in one file.. http://wow.pastebin.com/713754 |
| 20:39.36 | Mikk1 | Anyway, creating a UI designer addon would be: 1. Create UI designer 2. Create XML generator 3. Create Lua generator. ... imo. |
| 20:39.44 | Mikk1 | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170212 btw |
| 20:40.03 | Mikk1 | ^ 1.11.0.a1 |
| 20:40.56 | Mikk1 | wereHamster: The same argument could be used for doing everything in the .xml file ;) |
| 20:42.24 | wereHamster | I don't like complex script handlers in xml.. |
| 20:44.14 | Mikk1 | who does? =P |
| 20:44.25 | Mikk1 | omg, adding a "Post-It" to my talk page @ wowwiki was dumb. Very dumb. |
| 20:44.31 | Mikk1 | Half the wiki is scribbling shit in it now =) |
| 20:45.10 | JoshBorke | lol mikk1 |
| 20:47.09 | End | haha, stupid thing to do: chmod -x chmod |
| 20:47.21 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 20:47.23 | JoshBorke | LOL |
| 20:48.12 | wereHamster | make a small C app that adds the executable bit to /usr/bin/shmod ;) |
| 20:49.34 | JoshBorke | how do you run the C app? |
| 20:49.56 | JoshBorke | erm, nvm |
| 20:50.17 | JoshBorke | i'm just dumb |
| 20:50.17 | End | whoops, guess what I just did |
| 20:50.26 | JoshBorke | rm -f chmod? |
| 20:50.32 | End | I was thinking how to fix such a problem, and I ran it as root, but my fix was broken |
| 20:50.42 | End | perl -e 'use POSIX; POSIX::chmod(755, "/bin/chmod")' |
| 20:50.45 | End | I forgot though |
| 20:50.47 | End | it's in octal |
| 20:50.51 | End | not decimal |
| 20:51.04 | End | now it looks like: |
| 20:51.05 | End | --wxrw--wt 1 root wheel 5864 Nov 4 2004 /bin/chmod |
| 20:51.30 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 20:53.08 | Tain | haha |
| 20:55.18 | JoshBorke | ( ckknight ): you here? |
| 21:00.44 | Legorol | Mikk1: can i ask something about wowbench |
| 21:00.55 | Legorol | i was just reading the install instructions |
| 21:01.03 | Legorol | you have a section on what to do if there is no WoW on the computer |
| 21:01.16 | Legorol | does this mean that wowbench, by default, expects there to be a WoW on the computer? |
| 21:01.22 | Legorol | if so, how does it figure out where WoW is? |
| 21:01.28 | End | config.lua |
| 21:01.35 | End | you enter it in config.lua |
| 21:02.53 | Legorol | ah right |
| 21:03.00 | Legorol | sorry that wasn't obvious from the install instructions |
| 21:03.11 | Legorol | thanks |
| 21:03.14 | End | np |
| 21:03.24 | Legorol | mind you i haven't downloaded the thing yet :) |
| 21:03.30 | End | lol |
| 21:03.51 | End | me, I tried running it without setting anything up at first |
| 21:03.55 | End | and fixed problems as they came |
| 21:04.09 | Legorol | hm, one thign that worries me |
| 21:04.15 | Legorol | does wowbench access the live WTF in my WoW copy? |
| 21:04.27 | End | yes, if you give it that path |
| 21:04.47 | End | well, if you give it your WoW live copy |
| 21:05.03 | ckknight | JoshBorke, yes |
| 21:07.00 | Mikk1 | Legorol: It only ever reads atm |
| 21:07.03 | Mikk1 | There's no saving |
| 21:07.10 | Mikk1 | And no, I don't like the idea of tampering with live WTF either |
| 21:07.43 | JoshBorke | ( ckknight ): i want to open the same menu regardless of what button they click on. would it be better for me to register/unregister as the buttons changed, or register all the buttons with the same function? |
| 21:10.28 | Mikk1 | I'd just register all buttons to call the same function |
| 21:10.46 | Mikk1 | Unless you have a specific reason why that's bad in your situation of course =) |
| 21:11.07 | JoshBorke | not to my knowledge |
| 21:11.11 | JoshBorke | just don't know what would be best |
| 21:11.20 | JoshBorke | i've already got it written as register/unregister |
| 21:11.37 | JoshBorke | but i'll check on the answer later, gotta go for now :-) |
| 21:11.37 | JoshBorke | later |
| 21:11.48 | Mikk1 | put another way: I know of no reason for it to be harmful to have multple buttons call the same function |
| 21:12.32 | Mikk1 | quite the opposite. it'd be less error-prone |
| 21:17.03 | ckknight | JoshBorke, Dewdrop:Open(newFrame, oldFrame) |
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| 21:54.59 | Guillotine | Any chance anyone would want to take over development of http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-1179-1-aggroattack.html ? I don't even use it anymore and don't really want to support it, but I keep getting PMs about it |
| 21:55.53 | Guillotine | it has 10/10 score in votes and about 20k dls, so you wouldn't be taking over a failing addon... |
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| 22:00.56 | Guillotine | well, if anybody does decide that they want to take up development of it, PM me on WoWI or Curse. |
| 22:06.52 | End | what the hell |
| 22:07.06 | End | has anyone seen the wow forum beta? |
| 22:07.49 | Shadowed | ? |
| 22:07.52 | Cide | nope |
| 22:08.11 | End | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/ |
| 22:08.16 | End | incidently |
| 22:08.22 | End | the forum avatars look horrible |
| 22:08.38 | End | but..they...match the ingame look I think now o_O |
| 22:08.41 | End | at least partially |
| 22:09.41 | Shadowed | not sure why they have the view all posts and the ignore member stuff on the side and not below the avatar/name |
| 22:09.50 | Shadowed | wow, those do look horrible |
| 22:10.33 | End | yeah, they definitely show gear though |
| 22:10.39 | End | I can see tier 2 helms on people :P |
| 22:10.45 | End | although |
| 22:10.47 | End | not on my char |
| 22:10.59 | Shadowed | It's kind of interesting seeing actual gear on the character, but they still don't look that good |
| 22:11.01 | End | my helm is hidden for some reason (and yes, I do have my moose hat) |
| 22:11.24 | End | actually |
| 22:11.28 | End | maybe it isn't hidden |
| 22:11.32 | Shadowed | level 60s have tier 2 gear, pre-60s have just a basic shirt on |
| 22:11.33 | End | maybe just horribly rendered |
| 22:11.37 | End | oh? |
| 22:11.42 | End | maybe that's it |
| 22:11.43 | Shadowed | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10521064&sid=1 |
| 22:12.22 | End | I did notice the hair styles and whatnot are mostly correct |
| 22:12.34 | End | my lowbie undead mage has a weird looking hair thing going |
| 22:12.39 | End | and it shows it with that weird hair |
| 22:13.16 | Shadowed | it didn't get the hair style right for mine |
| 22:13.20 | End | hmmm |
| 22:13.37 | Shadowed | the avatars look pretty nice actually, just the troll ones don't |
| 22:13.47 | End | they probably have a lot of preset images, but not all combinations |
| 22:13.51 | Shadowed | oh nice, you can upload a talent build to the forums |
| 22:14.23 | End | oooooh |
| 22:14.30 | End | it's based on class/race/gender combo |
| 22:14.38 | End | wait a sec |
| 22:15.01 | End | that avatar isn't shown in their all possible list! |
| 22:15.18 | End | wait, yes it is |
| 22:15.36 | End | (I just got lucky with my lowbie mage) |
| 22:15.47 | Mikk1 | Btw: (Did I say this already? Apologies if so) I'm prepared to give more or less all the regulars here (assuming a sane level of coding skillz so Kirkburn is out =)) committ access to the sf.net WoWBench SVN. |
| 22:16.43 | AnduinLothar | pwned |
| 22:17.34 | End | Mikk1: I might take you up on that, depending on whether or not I start filling in holes are not :P |
| 22:17.38 | End | s/are/or/ |
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| 22:22.00 | Mikk1 | Just poke me here or on wowwiki whenever and give me an sf.net account to add =) |
| 22:22.24 | Legorol | Mikk1: do ou emulate widget methods as well as global API? |
| 22:22.29 | Mikk1 | yes |
| 22:22.44 | Mikk1 | though very limited since most of it is for graphics and .. well.. wowbench doesn't have graphics =) |
| 22:22.52 | Mikk1 | GetText() works and stuff but .. |
| 22:23.00 | Legorol | maybe you can lift this and use it: |
| 22:23.00 | Legorol | http://www.wowwiki.com/Tooltip_Pseudo_Code |
| 22:23.08 | Legorol | it's a good skeleton for completely emulating tooltips |
| 22:23.15 | Legorol | which are one of the things definitely worth emulating ;_) |
| 22:23.27 | Mikk1 | Actually, tooltips are fairly well emulated |
| 22:23.33 | Mikk1 | Couldn't make stuff work without it :P |
| 22:23.38 | Legorol | ah |
| 22:23.46 | Legorol | well check that page anyway, maybe you find something useful there |
| 22:23.53 | Mikk1 | Grmbl. Do it yourself =) |
| 22:24.02 | Legorol | ehm.. |
| 22:24.10 | Legorol | oh right |
| 22:24.17 | Legorol | sorry what i meant is: |
| 22:24.28 | Legorol | i wrote that page, what do you think about it, is this something worth for me to try and integrate in? |
| 22:24.38 | Mikk1 | Legorol: deffo =) |
| 22:24.48 | Legorol | sorry for the confusion |
| 22:24.51 | Mikk1 | hahaha |
| 22:25.19 | Legorol | it tries to reproduce as many of the weird tooltip quirks as possible |
| 22:25.22 | Mikk1 | (But yeah, it was very helpful for me when I wrote the initial implementation. Thanksmucho =)) |
| 22:25.36 | Legorol | cool |
| 22:26.31 | Legorol | lol |
| 22:26.43 | Mikk1 | Nope, didn't exist =) |
| 22:27.01 | Mikk1 | I suck at telepathy |
| 22:27.02 | Legorol | oh, do i need to make on on SF first? |
| 22:27.06 | Mikk1 | Yeah |
| 22:27.12 | Legorol | d'oh |
| 22:27.29 | Mikk1 | See? I suck at telepathy |
| 22:27.41 | Mikk1 | If I'd have been any good, I'd have "d'oh!"d you right from the start |
| 22:28.42 | Legorol | ok well i need to wait for verification email from SF |
| 22:28.44 | Legorol | be back later |
| 22:28.45 | End | :) :) :) :) :)???? |
| 22:28.50 | Mikk1 | oooo wait a sec... they're probably just constant strings that i can modify |
| 22:28.51 | End | or is it :-) :-) ? |
| 22:29.07 | Mikk1 | Stop filling my screen with icky yellow balls plxthxbaio |
| 22:29.12 | End | :-) |
| 22:29.15 | Mikk1 | EEK! |
| 22:29.27 | End | :-) |
| 22:29.28 | End | :P |
| 22:29.35 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.50 | clad|work | my level 60's show their equipment |
| 22:30.52 | clad|work | or they appear to |
| 22:30.54 | clad|work | on the forums |
| 22:31.23 | Shadowed | level 60 are wearing tier 2 gear, <60 are just wearing a shirt |
| 22:31.40 | End | yeah |
| 22:31.51 | End | there is a page that shows all possible combinations |
| 22:31.59 | Shadowed | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/iconinfo.html |
| 22:32.11 | Shadowed | as usual, trolls got the most ugly looking avatars |
| 22:32.17 | End | gender/race/class/{lowbie,level60,level70} |
| 22:32.45 | End | I see a problem |
| 22:32.55 | End | I think |
| 22:33.39 | Mikk1 | HAHAHAHAHA. The first google hit on "opera irc emoticons" is a writeup on how to disable them =) |
| 22:35.03 | End | heh, 2 minutes between each post limit I think |
| 22:35.12 | End | actually |
| 22:35.14 | End | 1 minute |
| 22:35.54 | Legorol | how did you stumble on beta.worldofwarcraft.com? |
| 22:36.03 | Legorol | ah its on main page,lol |
| 22:36.39 | cladhaire | you can put talent builds on your chars |
| 22:36.40 | cladhaire | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10481095&postId=104501444&sid=1#104501444 |
| 22:36.45 | cladhaire | Draoi is my druid |
| 22:36.48 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Mikk1 (i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 22:37.06 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mikk1 (i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 22:37.09 | Mikk1 | =) |
| 22:37.11 | Mikk1 | NOO |
| 22:37.12 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Mikk1 (i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 22:39.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mikk1 (i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 22:39.23 | Mikk1 | =) |
| 22:39.25 | Mikk1 | yay! |
| 22:39.27 | End | ? |
| 22:39.30 | Mikk1 | no more emoticons! |
| 22:39.32 | Mikk1 | i win! |
| 22:39.45 | End | As Iriel would say: 8-) |
| 22:39.59 | Mikk1 | Nope, that one is gone too =) |
| 22:40.07 | End | oh, I realize that |
| 22:40.11 | End | I was just saying |
| 22:40.37 | Mikk1 | Actually, it turns out that opera's IRC implementation is pretty damn spiffy. There isn't a whole lot to tweak in the actual UI, but you can do ... umm.. LOTS via tweaking its css files. |
| 22:41.08 | End | neat |
| 22:41.22 | Mikk1 | Yea kinda. It's a bit more than I expected from a built-in IRC client in a browser. |
| 22:42.49 | Legorol | wow, newsflash! |
| 22:42.49 | Legorol | Q u o t e: |
| 22:42.49 | Legorol | When are you going to send out the e-mails from the Honor/Leveling content for acceptance into the BC beta? Its been months without word and i'm growing tired! |
| 22:42.49 | Legorol | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 22:42.50 | Legorol | We're going to announce those next week. There was an issue with the data. Just so you know - everyone who participated won. |
| 22:43.22 | Legorol | sounds like they screwed up their data, can't recover it and so they just make everyone a winner |
| 22:45.04 | cladhaire | boo |
| 22:45.05 | cladhaire | that SUCKS |
| 22:45.06 | cladhaire | =( |
| 22:45.24 | cladhaire | i mean its good for peopel who aren't me =) |
| 22:46.11 | MoonWolf | okay, i have cookies for the first honour farmer to break his NDA |
| 22:50.37 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Dammit, I'm off playing HL2, and I get insulted :( |
| 22:51.09 | End | Kirkburn|HL2: you are a insane coder, and cannot be trusted |
| 22:51.49 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Well, probably just 'insane' |
| 22:52.06 | End | s/ coder// |
| 22:52.15 | Kirkburn|HL2 | =) |
| 22:52.38 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Oooh, level 70s will get their own icons :D |
| 22:53.20 | End | yup |
| 22:53.34 | Legorol | Mikk1: ok i got my user on SF |
| 22:53.38 | Legorol | i'm called legorol |
| 22:53.39 | Kirkburn|HL2 | I like the idea, but they need to tone down the colouring for the level 60 ones |
| 22:54.16 | Kirkburn|HL2 | That's outland in the background is it not? |
| 22:54.40 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Mushroom place, I forget the name |
| 22:55.04 | Legorol | i don't like the marked contrast between 60s and non-60s |
| 22:55.09 | cladhaire | i do =) |
| 22:55.16 | Legorol | it enhances the idea that a lvl 60 toon's owner has more weight in what they say |
| 22:55.26 | Legorol | it just gives totally wrong impression |
| 22:55.36 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Perhaps, but I would prefer less lvl 1 toons around |
| 22:55.36 | cladhaire | i know, i know =) |
| 22:56.01 | Legorol | you guys saw that there is an ignore feature on forums? |
| 22:56.08 | End | yup |
| 22:56.08 | Legorol | if a poster spams/annoys you, just put him on ignore |
| 22:56.13 | Legorol | wonder how long the ignore list is :) |
| 22:56.13 | Kirkburn|HL2 | It might not always be true, but a lvl 60 normally knows more about the game than someone who hasn't got one |
| 22:56.28 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Yay for ignore :D |
| 22:56.32 | Legorol | Kirkburn|HL2, they might have a bit more experience at the game (although even that's not necessarily true) |
| 22:56.42 | Legorol | however, it has absolutely nothing to do with them being able to form coherent sentences |
| 22:56.56 | Kirkburn|HL2 | I know, I know .... but if you think about it, it'll encourage more people to use their mains to post on |
| 22:57.08 | Legorol | why does it matter who posts on what? |
| 22:57.25 | Legorol | why are people so concerned about whehter someone is posting on a main or alt? |
| 22:57.27 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Because lvl 1 people feel less 'exposed' |
| 22:57.41 | Kirkburn|HL2 | You misunderstand me :P |
| 22:57.45 | Legorol | bullshit is bullshit either way :) |
| 22:57.55 | Kirkburn|HL2 | heh |
| 22:58.09 | Legorol | i see plenty people posting on their mains, no better than if they posted on a lvl 1 alt |
| 22:58.16 | Legorol | i know what youa re trying to say |
| 22:58.21 | Legorol | a lvl 1 poster shows less restraint |
| 22:58.27 | Legorol | i find that it generally doesn'tmatter |
| 22:58.35 | Legorol | as the lvl 60s don't show much either :) |
| 22:58.37 | Kirkburn|HL2 | They're idiots either way :) |
| 22:58.43 | Legorol | yup |
| 22:58.56 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Crud, it shows PvP rank |
| 22:59.06 | Kirkburn|HL2 | I suppose I should try and rank a bit |
| 22:59.20 | Legorol | sheesh, one more way to add weight to your posts |
| 22:59.32 | Legorol | but i guess i'm the only one in the world who doesn't like this |
| 22:59.38 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Ooh, that could have repercussions |
| 22:59.51 | Kirkburn|HL2 | I don't like that idea particularly |
| 22:59.53 | Legorol | then again, i'm the only one here probably who doesn't have a lvl 60 |
| 23:00.08 | Kirkburn|HL2 | If a private comments on the PvP stuff, they're get shot down by someone 'better' |
| 23:00.13 | End | I almost have two level 60s o_O |
| 23:00.29 | Legorol | i am famous for not having a lvl 60 |
| 23:00.34 | Legorol | Cairenn doesn't have one either :p |
| 23:00.35 | Kirkburn|HL2 | You are :) |
| 23:00.42 | End | yeah, I knew about Cairenn |
| 23:00.49 | Legorol | time /played on Legorol is 29 days |
| 23:00.58 | Legorol | but that's my UI dev char :) |
| 23:01.04 | Legorol | and my highest level one at the same time |
| 23:01.06 | Kirkburn|HL2 | My plan is to get my pally to 60 and join my Warlock, then get a Draenei Warrior to 70 with them :) |
| 23:01.08 | Legorol | currently going strong at lvl 51 |
| 23:01.09 | End | time /played on Sedge is 105 days :X |
| 23:01.15 | Legorol | i just can't avoid gaining a bit of xp from time to time |
| 23:01.38 | Legorol | 105? whoahh |
| 23:01.46 | Legorol | that's like... 315 days 8 hours a day |
| 23:01.54 | Legorol | how long has this game been out? |
| 23:02.00 | Legorol | year and a half? |
| 23:02.20 | Legorol | almost two.. |
| 23:02.23 | End | I've had the game for a year and a quarter |
| 23:02.37 | Kirkburn|HL2 | Is there an EU test forum? |
| 23:02.39 | Legorol | yes |
| 23:02.41 | End | Kirkburn|HL2: yes |
| 23:02.48 | Legorol | oh you mean test realm, or forum beta test |
| 23:03.02 | Qzot | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.08 | Kirkburn|HL2 | beta test forum :P |
| 23:03.10 | Legorol | forum beta: |
| 23:03.10 | Legorol | http://beta.wow-europe.com/ |
| 23:03.14 | End | here's the thing though |
| 23:03.22 | Kirkburn|HL2 | ta :) |
| 23:03.26 | End | my druid took 33 days playing time to get to 60 |
| 23:03.34 | End | my shaman is level 50, and is barely 8 days so far |
| 23:04.34 | End | (my shaman has a lot of rested exp too) |
| 23:04.47 | Mikk1 | Kirkburn|HL2: ... eek. My main is a warlock. And my 2nd is a pally. |
| 23:04.54 | Kirkburn|HL2 | :D |
| 23:05.04 | Kirkburn | We are teh cool :) |
| 23:05.09 | Mikk1 | Well, to be quite frank, my main was a warlock. Then I made a warlock. Then a pally. |
| 23:05.23 | Mikk1 | (Started playing on a PvP server first out. Got to 51 when the honor patch landed. Big mistake.) |
| 23:05.35 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:05.53 | Kirkburn | I never wanted to play on a PvP server |
| 23:05.54 | End | I was level 48 I think when the honor patch landed |
| 23:06.05 | End | maybe closer to level 45 |
| 23:06.12 | Kirkburn | It's so cool seeing all of my chars with proper pics :) |
| 23:06.58 | Mikk1 | Legorol: Added you with SVN committ access |
| 23:07.39 | Mikk1 | Kirkburn: Well, no, not me neither, but some of my workmates rolled alliance on that server, so me and a couple others of course had to roll horde so we could gank them =) |
| 23:07.39 | Legorol | thanks! |
| 23:07.46 | Legorol | is anyone else having trouble logging into beta EU forum? |
| 23:08.00 | End | Legorol, yes, it appears I do not have a EU account |
| 23:08.08 | End | ;p |
| 23:08.08 | Legorol | lol End |
| 23:08.20 | Kirkburn | Fine for me :D |
| 23:09.03 | Qzot | Hmm. Just ran across some interesting information. |
| 23:09.48 | Qzot | Anyone have experience with relinquishing engineering and trying to take the other specialization? |
| 23:09.57 | Mikk1 | I am told it's not doable |
| 23:10.01 | Mikk1 | Though others say it is |
| 23:10.09 | Mikk1 | I don't particularily care to try and find out =) |
| 23:10.13 | Qzot | So I thought as well. |
| 23:10.23 | Legorol | you should be able to change specialization |
| 23:10.34 | Tain | I read how to not that long ago. |
| 23:10.39 | Legorol | speaking of which, here is a question for you guys: |
| 23:10.40 | Tain | But I don't know what it entailed, or where I read it. |
| 23:10.50 | Legorol | If you are a leatherworker, and let's assume you don't know that specialization exists |
| 23:10.53 | Mikk1 | "how to not?" |
| 23:11.03 | Legorol | What event/NPC/quest in the game guides you to discovering specialization? |
| 23:11.04 | Qzot | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-professions&t=275166&p=1&tmp=1#post275166 |
| 23:11.12 | Tain | Mikk1 don't you read typo? |
| 23:11.14 | Legorol | and where the various specialization trainers are for leatherworking? |
| 23:11.18 | Mikk1 | Legorol: Getting laughed at by guildmates =) |
| 23:11.19 | Legorol | because i couldn't figure it out |
| 23:11.26 | Legorol | but there must be *something* |
| 23:11.34 | Legorol | for all other professions you find out there is spec |
| 23:11.39 | Legorol | and you get told where to go |
| 23:11.40 | Mikk1 | Tain: No, not in this particular case =) |
| 23:12.00 | Tain | Wait that made sense in context |
| 23:12.07 | Qzot | Leggie: It's not always obvious. |
| 23:12.07 | Mikk1 | Yea kinda |
| 23:12.11 | Mikk1 | Hence my question |
| 23:12.14 | Tain | I read how to (change specialization) not that long ago. |
| 23:12.14 | Legorol | so, anyone knows? |
| 23:12.27 | Legorol | being laughed at by guildies is not an answer |
| 23:12.30 | Legorol | that's circular logic |
| 23:12.34 | Mikk1 | =) |
| 23:12.34 | Kirkburn | Wikiwikiwaawaa? |
| 23:12.35 | Legorol | how does the first guildie find out? |
| 23:12.38 | Qzot | Leggie: For engineering, you need to start a quest in Ratchet. You basically have to remember that there's an engineering supplies guy there. |
| 23:12.43 | Tain | From thottbot of course. |
| 23:12.44 | Legorol | i asked about LW |
| 23:12.49 | Mikk1 | Haha |
| 23:12.56 | Legorol | Tain: but TB as well only knows if someone has already found out |
| 23:12.59 | Mikk1 | Well, you're basically bound to stumble over these guys once in a while |
| 23:13.00 | Legorol | and you shouldn't need Tb |
| 23:13.05 | Tain | No TB has always known. |
| 23:13.11 | Kirkburn | They added the ability to switch engineering professions a while back |
| 23:13.12 | Legorol | Mikk1: i haven't met them yet, and i don't know where they are |
| 23:13.15 | Mikk1 | O.O |
| 23:13.21 | Mikk1 | I think I've stmbled over bloody all of them |
| 23:13.28 | Mikk1 | Herbalism and Mining helps though I suppose |
| 23:13.28 | Legorol | nor do i care to find out by any other means then either finding it myself, or being guided there by quest/NPC |
| 23:13.33 | Mikk1 | Makes you go look in odd corners |
| 23:13.34 | Tain | Actually I have never done LW at all and I've definitely come across the trainers. |
| 23:13.44 | Tain | Without looking for them. |
| 23:14.09 | Tain | I understand your point, if there's no quest sending you to the specialization trainers how do you know? |
| 23:14.17 | Legorol | yeah, if you know they exist, you look |
| 23:14.20 | Legorol | that's not that bad |
| 23:14.29 | Legorol | but if you don't know they exist.. |
| 23:14.31 | Qzot | Kirkburn: The patch notes, imho, were ambiguous. I initially interpreted them as meaning you could switch, but later interpreted them to mean that if you dropped engr and picked it back up again, you could at least re-gain your original specialization. |
| 23:15.09 | Kirkburn | nub |
| 23:15.15 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 23:15.15 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 23:15.59 | Qzot | Based in the forum page I just posted (which is stickied, which I hope means it has gone through a more extensive 'peer review' process), it sounds possible to actually change. |
| 23:18.01 | Kirkburn | Hmm, it's cutting off server/guild names earlier than needed |
| 23:18.08 | cladhaire | aye |
| 23:18.49 | Kirkburn | Interesting music vid ... two guys playing table tennis with their MASSIVE bellies |
| 23:19.01 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 23:19.29 | Kirkburn | Very |
| 23:20.01 | Kirkburn | I really like the new forums :) |
| 23:20.09 | End | I don't like the look |
| 23:20.21 | End | It feels too cluttered for me I guess? |
| 23:20.41 | cladhaire | as long as its fast, and seachable. |
| 23:20.43 | cladhaire | that will be nice. |
| 23:21.27 | End | the search seems to work a lot better |
| 23:21.42 | cladhaire | like... it works a little.. which is lots more =) |
| 23:22.09 | End | Public Test Realms Available |
| 23:22.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (i=user@sandbox.xerox.com) |
| 23:22.24 | Kirkburn | Zangarmarsh, that's it |
| 23:22.28 | End | sounds like PTRs are back up! |
| 23:22.53 | Kirkburn | Harken to the rejoicing! |
| 23:23.11 | ISeeNothing | http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1127055/000095012306007628/y22210exv99w1.htm |
| 23:23.58 | Kirkburn | You wanted to link http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1127055/000095012306007628/y22210y22210z0019.gif, no? |
| 23:24.13 | End | oh neat |
| 23:24.18 | End | threads can be moved now |
| 23:24.27 | End | so instead of posting "this thread belongs somewhere else" |
| 23:24.29 | End | and locking |
| 23:24.29 | Qzot | Is this old news? Sorry. |
| 23:24.41 | End | they give it a redirect |
| 23:24.48 | End | anyways, brb |
| 23:25.30 | Kirkburn | It's not that old :P I only know because I am obsessed with RSS feeds =) |
| 23:25.42 | Qzot | It's the blanks in the slide entitled, "Franchise Potential" that's most interesting. |
| 23:26.05 | Kirkburn | It's completely normal stuff though, for financial purposes only really |
| 23:26.57 | Qzot | Hmm. It tells you what the suits are thinking, at least. |
| 23:27.43 | Qzot | Also pretting much kills any speculation of BC this summer. Seemed doubtful, but the rumors persisted. |
| 23:27.56 | Legorol | strange, i still can't log into beta forums |
| 23:28.38 | Qzot | Legoral: They're limiting it to accounts with a level 60 for the time being. |
| 23:29.09 | Qzot | :P |
| 23:32.31 | Kirkburn | hehehe |
| 23:32.43 | Kirkburn | You're so mean :) |
| 23:34.45 | Kirkburn | I see no option for number of posts per page |
| 23:35.16 | JoshBorke | er, label frames can't have clicks? |
| 23:36.33 | Legorol | only Buttons can have OnClick, if that's what you mean |
| 23:36.45 | Legorol | but any Frame can have OnMouseDown/OnMouseUp |
| 23:37.18 | JoshBorke | ok, cool |
| 23:37.22 | Mikk1 | Only frames have "RegisterForClicks" |
| 23:37.23 | JoshBorke | that's what i was just about to try |
| 23:37.26 | Legorol | Qzot: did they say so somewhere? |
| 23:37.33 | JoshBorke | ( Mikk1 ): you mean buttons? |
| 23:37.36 | Mikk1 | Err |
| 23:37.38 | Mikk1 | Yes =) |
| 23:37.59 | Legorol | Qzot: or were you just kidding |
| 23:38.10 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Button_RegisterForClicks |
| 23:38.11 | Legorol | ehm... http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page is broken |
| 23:38.53 | Mikk1 | where? |
| 23:38.53 | Kirkburn | Odd, ain't it |
| 23:38.58 | Mikk1 | looks fine to me |
| 23:39.03 | Kirkburn | I've seen it happen before |
| 23:39.20 | Kirkburn | The part on the right appears underneath the first column |
| 23:39.38 | Legorol | for me, the page is truncated |
| 23:39.38 | Legorol | in the middle of a link nevertheless |
| 23:39.44 | Kirkburn | oh, er... |
| 23:39.48 | Kirkburn | Even better :) |
| 23:40.00 | Legorol | i see this: |
| 23:40.01 | Legorol | Interface Customization |
| 23:40.01 | Legorol | UI Beginners Guide |
| 23:40.01 | Legorol | <a href="/World_of_Warcraft_ |
| 23:40.37 | Kirkburn | I still reckon my version is better ... http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Main_Page_Dev_3 |
| 23:41.04 | JoshBorke | ( Legorol ): so i need to define <OnMouseDown> rather than OnClick? |
| 23:41.30 | Legorol | JoshBorke: depends on what you want to do |
| 23:41.35 | Legorol | what do you mean by a label frame? |
| 23:41.42 | JoshBorke | it's just a frame with some text in it :D |
| 23:41.43 | Legorol | a Button can look and behave exactly like a frame in all respects |
| 23:41.49 | Legorol | except it has OnClick |
| 23:41.52 | Legorol | i would go for a Button |
| 23:42.01 | Legorol | unlike other GUIs, in WoW a Button just means it has OnClick too |
| 23:42.10 | Legorol | it doesn't necessarily look like something 3D that's pressable |
| 23:42.42 | Legorol | So if you want a frame with some text that's clickable, go for Button |
| 23:42.55 | Legorol | Button has <Frames> children in exactly the same way, can have text etc. |
| 23:43.09 | JoshBorke | hrm, i just want it to register when somenoe right clicks on it |
| 23:43.21 | Legorol | yeah go for button |
| 23:43.27 | Legorol | RegisterForClicks("RightMouseUp") |
| 23:43.31 | Legorol | OnClick |
| 23:43.32 | Legorol | etc. |
| 23:43.33 | Kirkburn | Yay for the spam filter! |
| 23:43.38 | Kirkburn | You can only post once a minute |
| 23:44.00 | Kirkburn | Plus it gives you a little timer window that counts down |
| 23:44.07 | Kirkburn | And then it crashes my browser |
| 23:44.54 | JoshBorke | hrm |
| 23:45.33 | JoshBorke | oh, do all the inheriting children have to be buttons too? |
| 23:46.12 | Kirkburn | Heh, the longest thread ever is being tried :) http://beta.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10761089&sid=1 |
| 23:46.50 | JoshBorke | lol, they get bored at the end so they start posting random stuff? |
| 23:46.59 | Kirkburn | ;) |
| 23:47.11 | Kirkburn | And then some people *cough* start quoting them |
| 23:47.39 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:48.10 | Legorol | but why can't i log in? |
| 23:48.10 | JoshBorke | cladhaire! |
| 23:48.15 | Legorol | is it really that only lvl 60s can log in? |
| 23:48.15 | cladhaire | zomg! |
| 23:48.23 | Legorol | that'd suck so badly it's not even funny |
| 23:48.39 | Kirkburn | heh, no I don't think so :P |
| 23:48.50 | Legorol | what browser are you using? |
| 23:48.53 | Legorol | has anyone tried with IE? |
| 23:49.11 | JoshBorke | logging in or viewing? |
| 23:49.28 | Kirkburn | IE fine here |
| 23:49.33 | Kirkburn | What does it say when you try? |
| 23:50.19 | JoshBorke | thanks cladhaire! |
| 23:50.40 | cladhaire | np =) |
| 23:50.46 | cladhaire | sorry i didn't get to it after you emailed me |
| 23:50.48 | cladhaire | i'm normally quicker |
| 23:51.13 | Tain | That's what he said! |
| 23:51.15 | JoshBorke | oh no, it's fine :-) |
| 23:51.19 | JoshBorke | ...tain |
| 23:51.20 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 23:51.27 | JoshBorke | is username case sensitive? |
| 23:51.29 | Shadowed | they fixed the word filter at least |
| 23:51.30 | cladhaire | yes |
| 23:51.37 | Shadowed | doesn't senser stuff like bonescraper |
| 23:51.45 | Shadowed | s/senser/censor |
| 23:51.56 | Shadowed | okay, maybe playing WSG and talking on IRC doesn't work that well. |
| 23:52.01 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:52.12 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 23:54.29 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:55.17 | JoshBorke | hrm, i guess that won't work... |
| 23:55.20 | JoshBorke | back to the drawing bored |
| 23:55.48 | Mikk1 | Kirkburn: I still like the link selection in http:///www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Main_Page_Dev_2 better |
| 23:56.36 | Kirkburn | You want the stuff underneath the main section added somehow |
| 23:56.38 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 23:59.20 | JoshBorke | ok, where's a tutorial/information on how to set up externals? |
