| 00:04.33 | _Mikk | Huge bloody paste inc: |
| 00:04.43 | _Mikk | WoWBench aims to be a near-complete emulation of the AddOn API of the World of Warcraft MMORPG. AddOn development in WoW can be somewhat strained at times due the near-total lack of in-game debugging capabilities. Added to that, the time it takes to test each change is fairly long. |
| 00:04.44 | _Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.49 | _Mikk | WoWBench enables AddOn developers to test most of their functionality offline, in a controlled environment where they can fire game events at their own leisure, with content that they choose. |
| 00:04.53 | _Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.57 | _Mikk | It also features a built-in commandline based debugger with stack backtraces and capabilities to look at global as well as local variables at various stack depths, as well as running your own Lua code while examining the breakpoint or error. Of course, anyone with a Lua debugger can utilize those for much more fine-grained debugging while running their AddOn under WoWBench, something which is not possible while running it inside the act |
| 00:04.57 | _Mikk | game. |
| 00:05.07 | _Mikk | ----8<----- |
| 00:05.38 | _Mikk | Works as a sourceforge project description or am I being near sighted? |
| 00:06.38 | Tem | hmm anyone know if it's possible to open the gate in BWL that goes from the area near the Alchemy lab to the area just before the supression rooms? |
| 00:06.40 | ckknight | oh wow |
| 00:06.43 | ckknight | that's nice |
| 00:06.46 | ckknight | I want that. |
| 00:07.03 | _Mikk | Ok, I'll take that as a seal of approval then =) |
| 00:07.09 | ckknight | yes |
| 00:07.27 | ckknight | alternatively, you could just post it up on the addon sites like wowi |
| 00:07.41 | ckknight | but I would like that, _Mikk |
| 00:07.59 | _Mikk | Yeah but I'm SO not going to finish this one solo |
| 00:08.09 | _Mikk | I'm only going to be adding APIs that I actually need myself |
| 00:08.11 | Tain | Yeah but no one uses Sourceforge anymore. :) |
| 00:08.23 | ckknight | right, Tain |
| 00:08.34 | ckknight | my best advice is to post it on curse or wowi or both |
| 00:08.36 | _Mikk | And I figure if other people also adds APIs they need.... we all win :-) |
| 00:08.45 | _Mikk | Aye I'll use that as a distribution medium |
| 00:08.55 | _Mikk | But I don't want half the wow developing world to start sending me diffs |
| 00:09.14 | ckknight | you want an svn or something? |
| 00:09.33 | _Mikk | Soddit, I'm setting a sourceforge project up right now :_) |
| 00:09.51 | _Mikk | Couldn't you have chimed in a bit sooner? :-P |
| 00:10.11 | ckknight | no, I was looking at porn. |
| 00:10.14 | _Mikk | lawl |
| 00:10.22 | _Mikk | aight, you're excused :-) |
| 00:10.30 | ckknight | some things come first. |
| 00:11.05 | _Mikk | Seriously though.. you have an SVN up that you wouldn't mind me using? |
| 00:11.27 | _Mikk | (Me+various trusted others that would also have committ rights, that is) |
| 00:11.59 | ckknight | um |
| 00:12.00 | ckknight | well |
| 00:12.16 | ckknight | theoretically you could join the ace community |
| 00:12.20 | ckknight | and use their svn |
| 00:12.23 | ckknight | that's what I do |
| 00:12.27 | _Mikk | haha |
| 00:12.30 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 00:12.53 | _Mikk | that'd imply that I'm promoting Ace though, which could alienate some |
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| 00:13.09 | ckknight | alternatively, you could set up an svn on your own box |
| 00:13.11 | ckknight | it's pretty easy |
| 00:13.23 | ckknight | and we are all Ace's children. |
| 00:13.25 | _Mikk | That'd mean I'd have to FIX my bloody box first :-) |
| 00:14.02 | _Mikk | (Funny that... I sit around poking in wowwiki for bloody weeks in a stretch, but can't take an afternoon to replace my disk that's so broken that ext3 refuses to mount it any other way than read-only) |
| 00:14.14 | _Mikk | <- st00pid |
| 00:14.49 | ckknight | time to reformat? |
| 00:15.03 | ckknight | maybe try XFS or what have you? |
| 00:15.11 | _Mikk | No, the disk is going "Boing!" .... "*KRRRR-RRRR-RRRRRR*" .... "*Knghg*" "Boing!" |
| 00:15.19 | _Mikk | Time to replace =) |
| 00:15.24 | Corrodias | aye |
| 00:15.46 | _Mikk | And some files can't be read anymore :P |
| 00:16.02 | _Mikk | (It's been this way for a year now. I really do suck =)) |
| 00:16.02 | Corrodias | i've had a partial hard drive failure before... like one cylinder couldn't be read any more |
| 00:16.21 | _Mikk | (I'm racking up uptime like crazy though cos I don't dare to power it down =)) |
| 00:16.33 | Corrodias | about ten large files had unreadable chunks, and it crashed windows trying to read them, for some reason |
| 00:16.55 | _Mikk | Wait! Wait! I know! |
| 00:16.55 | ckknight | freeze it. |
| 00:16.57 | _Mikk | I have the answer to that! |
| 00:17.03 | _Mikk | NTFS sucks! |
| 00:17.12 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:17.16 | ckknight | NTFS has issues |
| 00:17.16 | Corrodias | congratulations! but it's not correct |
| 00:17.20 | ckknight | but it's not _horrible_ |
| 00:17.28 | _Mikk | Nah, the FS is ok. |
| 00:17.36 | Corrodias | :) |
| 00:17.38 | _Mikk | It's MS'es implementation of it that's their usualy shoddy quality. |
| 00:18.00 | _Mikk | s/of it/of the driver/ |
| 00:18.16 | Corrodias | i used a bootable WinPE disc to retrieve all files from the drive other than the ten damaged ones |
| 00:18.17 | ckknight | ~moredots |
| 00:18.22 | purl | left side! even side! |
| 00:20.08 | _Mikk | Obtw, if I'm giving the impression that I'm "for" something (Linux, BSD, Windows, whatever) by NOT liking something else, that's a mistaken conclusion. I'm of the considered standpoint that nearly _all_ software, in fact, sucks. :-) |
| 00:21.02 | ckknight | hehe, yea. |
| 00:21.03 | _Mikk | Hell, I still can't put together something larger than 100 lines of code without finding bugs in it one year later. |
| 00:21.07 | ckknight | except the stuff I write |
| 00:21.09 | ckknight | of course. |
| 00:21.11 | _Mikk | lol |
| 00:21.22 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.29 | ckknight | despite the bug reports |
| 00:21.40 | ckknight | that's a trick by the government |
| 00:21.49 | Tain | Fight the power! |
| 00:21.53 | _Mikk | Of course, it'll be a bug that noone else finds. And that noone is actually AFFECTED by. Or at least they don't realize it. But THERE WILL BE A BLOODY BUG IN IT THUMBING ITS NOSE AT ME. |
| 00:22.09 | ckknight | don't pay attention to conspiracies, they're made up by the government to hide what's _really_ going on |
| 00:22.19 | _Mikk | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 00:22.27 | _Mikk | Damn that was a nice one :-) |
| 00:22.31 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 00:22.32 | ckknight | yep |
| 00:22.40 | ckknight | btw, indoor voice |
| 00:22.57 | _Mikk | o.O |
| 00:22.58 | ckknight | they'll hear the shouting |
| 00:23.01 | _Mikk | haha |
| 00:23.13 | _Mikk | Well, I _did_ laugh that hard =) |
| 00:23.29 | _Mikk | (And, yes, my better half is complaining downstairs) |
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| 00:23.52 | ckknight | hehe |
| 00:24.07 | _Mikk | (The time here being half past two in the night) |
| 00:24.41 | ckknight | ah |
| 00:24.46 | ckknight | you're in Europe |
| 00:24.54 | ckknight | halfway across the world for me |
| 00:25.05 | ckknight | it's half past two in the afternoon here |
| 00:25.09 | _Mikk | Hawaii or Oz? |
| 00:25.12 | ckknight | Hawaii |
| 00:25.23 | _Mikk | Bastidh =) |
| 00:25.23 | ckknight | Australia is 22 hours east of me |
| 00:25.43 | _Mikk | I can't get Oz DST calculation straight |
| 00:27.28 | ckknight | I grew up here, it's bright |
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| 00:30.57 | AnduinLothar | Summer! |
| 00:33.06 | ckknight | ? |
| 00:33.13 | AnduinLothar | finished my last final |
| 00:33.22 | ckknight | ah |
| 00:33.23 | ckknight | congrats |
| 00:35.03 | End | hmm, I've been done with classes for a month now :P |
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| 00:35.43 | AnduinLothar | yes, but you don't start sept 27th |
| 00:37.32 | _Mikk | ... |
| 00:37.53 | _Mikk | Congratulations btw =) |
| 00:38.01 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 00:38.20 | _Mikk | Ok, I totally forgot that sourceforge has a manual inspection step before you can start uploading stuff. |
| 00:38.29 | AnduinLothar | grr... why is it that CHAT_SAY_GET uses a syntax not specified anywhere else :( |
| 00:38.58 | AnduinLothar | there's no global string for "says" so i have to loacize my addon :( |
| 00:39.03 | AnduinLothar | localize* |
| 00:39.37 | _Mikk | PM me your email if you want a zip of WoWBench nowish to poke around in rather than having to wait 1-2 days until they approve it. |
| 00:40.35 | End | which was WoWBench? |
| 00:40.47 | _Mikk | Scroll up |
| 00:40.52 | _Mikk | I pasted the desc |
| 00:41.11 | _Mikk | Oh, that far up. ~3 pages. |
| 00:42.23 | _Mikk | WoWBench aims to be a near-complete emulation of the AddOn API of the World of Warcraft MMORPG. AddOn development in WoW can be somewhat strained at times due the near-total lack of in-game debugging capabilities. Added to that, the time it takes to test each change is fairly long. |
| 00:42.23 | _Mikk | WoWBench enables AddOn developers to test most of their functionality offline, in a controlled environment where they can fire game events at their own leisure, with content that they choose. |
| 00:42.23 | _Mikk | It also features a built-in commandline debugger with stack backtraces and capability to look at global as well as local variables at various stack depths, that allows you to run your own Lua code while examining the breakpoint or error. Of course, anyone with a Lua debugger can utilize those for much more fine-grained debugging while running their AddOn under WoWBench, something which is not possible while running it inside the actual |
| 00:42.25 | _Mikk | WoWBench does not have an actual graphical user interface (at least, not yet). Game world and (simulated) user interface interaction is all done through console commands. This is not a disadvantage, as it has the distinct advantage of being scriptable for easy repetition. |
| 00:42.41 | End | oh, I go and find it, read it, and -then- you paste it :P |
| 00:42.46 | End | but yes, me want |
| 00:43.20 | _Mikk | gifv email then |
| 00:43.59 | End | robin.schoonover@gmail.com |
| 00:44.13 | End | (yes, now you can all send me spam) |
| 00:44.25 | _Mikk | Don't blame me, I said to PM me :-) |
| 00:45.06 | End | oh, I will place blame where blame is due |
| 00:45.24 | Cide | that seems to promise a lot |
| 00:45.38 | End | (hmm, come to think of it, purl does log the channel) |
| 00:46.09 | Cide | I'll believe it when I see it :) but if it happens, it will surely help a lot |
| 00:46.22 | _Mikk | End getting spammed? =) |
| 00:46.33 | Cide | nah, WoWBench :P |
| 00:46.53 | _Mikk | *shrug* it's done what I needed it to do so far. I'm happy =) |
| 00:47.11 | Cide | oh, it's released? |
| 00:47.14 | End | _Mikk, yes, by robot jinja pirates! |
| 00:47.22 | End | er, ninja |
| 00:47.22 | _Mikk | i wrote it |
| 00:47.26 | Cide | ah, cool |
| 00:47.41 | _Mikk | i created a sourceforge project for it just now |
| 00:47.43 | Cide | would I be able to snag a copy to test? |
| 00:47.48 | _Mikk | will be 1-2 days before it gets approved tho |
| 00:47.51 | _Mikk | deffo |
| 00:48.15 | Cairenn | if you wish to, _Mikk, you are welcome to upload it to WoWI |
| 00:48.48 | End | I think _Mikk is more concerned about revision control right now |
| 00:48.55 | _Mikk | I most certainly will, once a few more people have given it an "aight, at least semi-useful!" stamp =) |
| 00:49.05 | _Mikk | Yeah, it's kinda alpha quality still |
| 00:49.22 | Cairenn | We'd want a copy of your source code so Dolby could verify it's safety, but we would remove it from the zip before releasing it for download |
| 00:49.31 | Cairenn | s/it's/its/ |
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| 00:49.40 | End | it's all lua anyways |
| 00:49.43 | End | isn' t it? |
| 00:49.45 | _Mikk | It's 100% Lua |
| 00:49.54 | Cairenn | then there'd be no problem at all |
| 00:49.59 | End | it just is external to WoW |
| 00:50.14 | _Mikk | It was kind of the whole point, to implement it in a language that addon developers already know and can extend |
| 00:50.37 | _Mikk | (And modify to suit their own needs) |
| 00:50.43 | Cairenn | then by all means feel free to toss it up in the dev tools section on the site |
| 00:50.55 | _Mikk | Will do in a bit =) |
| 00:51.10 | Cairenn | anyone that would actually use it will most certainly understand the whole concept of "this is still Alpha state" |
| 00:51.46 | _Mikk | Aye, but I want the documentation finished and the sourceforge project available before I go totally public with it |
| 00:51.54 | _Mikk | (Days from now, not weeks+) |
| 00:52.11 | Cairenn | oh, I understand |
| 00:53.00 | _Mikk | Cide: Will send. I just can't PM you until I cba to register my nick ;) |
| 00:53.08 | Cide | haha, okay |
| 00:53.08 | Cide | thanks |
| 00:53.40 | End | I have it so unregistered nicks can pm me :P |
| 00:53.44 | End | not that it is useful |
| 00:53.47 | End | or safe |
| 00:53.52 | _Mikk | Whoops damnit. I almost sent my account details off. |
| 00:53.57 | _Mikk | &%#? |
| 00:54.11 | End | !?!?! |
| 00:54.18 | _Mikk | Well, not the password |
| 00:54.33 | _Mikk | You have to tell it where your SavedVariables live, which includes your username |
| 00:54.52 | End | _Mikk: btw, I probably won't look at it until tomorrow, just, so you know :P |
| 00:57.35 | _Mikk | Zomg! =) |
| 01:01.04 | _Mikk | sent it off |
| 01:02.36 | Cide | thanks |
| 01:05.10 | _Mikk | cladhaire: pm me your email too please (I'd respond in PM but I can't atm cos I'm a lazy bastard and haven't registered my nick yet =)) |
| 01:05.32 | cladhaire | oh duh |
| 01:05.57 | Cairenn | cladhaire: clique never showed up |
| 01:06.28 | cladhaire | i sent to @eqinterface.com |
| 01:06.39 | cladhaire | do me a favor and send an email to me, i'll just respond |
| 01:06.43 | Cairenn | okay |
| 01:07.11 | cladhaire | Legorol: You suck: http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/3dlogic.swf? |
| 01:07.36 | Cairenn | cladhaire: incomong |
| 01:07.58 | Cide | _Mikk: after setting the _WOWDIR variable, running lua wowbench.lua -v CT_RaidAssist gives something along the lines of "Could not find path", followed by "ERROR: error in error handling" ("Could not find path" is my translation, my OS is in swedish) |
| 01:09.27 | _Mikk | o.O |
| 01:09.33 | Cide | any clue why? |
| 01:10.09 | _Mikk | What lua version? |
| 01:10.11 | _Mikk | I'm using 5.0 |
| 01:10.23 | _Mikk | (And it loads ctra just fine, too) |
| 01:10.51 | Cide | file version 5.0.2.0 |
| 01:11.37 | _Mikk | sec |
| 01:12.35 | _Mikk | debugger.lua, line 521: Add "if(1) then return msg; end". (First line of the error handler function) |
| 01:12.44 | _Mikk | 522 even |
| 01:13.26 | _Mikk | I should make a config option to disable my error handler. |
| 01:13.28 | cladhaire | Cairenn: Responded =) |
| 01:13.31 | Cairenn | k |
| 01:13.36 | cladhaire | _Mikk: Get my last PM? |
| 01:13.46 | _Mikk | aye, i've already sent it |
| 01:13.48 | AnduinLothar | so, still haven't decided on a name.. |
| 01:13.50 | _Mikk | pardon, cide distracted me |
| 01:13.58 | Cide | utils.lua:19: attempt to index local 'fil' (a nil value) |
| 01:14.07 | cladhaire | no problem =) |
| 01:14.33 | _Mikk | haha |
| 01:14.38 | _Mikk | create "tmp" subdir |
| 01:14.43 | Cide | yeah |
| 01:14.44 | Cide | just did |
| 01:14.55 | Cide | worked fine now :) thanks |
| 01:15.31 | _Mikk | use "help" console command. should give you the basics. |
| 01:17.00 | Thrae | I am here to cry about the PTRs still not being up. |
| 01:17.17 | Thrae | That, and me being in a coding mode. |
| 01:17.27 | cladhaire | _Mikk: What specifically does it require from my wow installation? |
| 01:17.39 | _Mikk | Addons and your savedvariables |
| 01:17.45 | _Mikk | It doesn't modify anything there though |
| 01:18.00 | _Mikk | And it wants a copy of the Interface Data dir in "blizzardinterface" subdir |
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| 01:18.13 | _Mikk | (local copy because it creates boatloads of tempfiles) |
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| 01:18.49 | cladhaire | aaah I'll have to grab those, I dont develop on a wow machine |
| 01:18.54 | Cide | seems pretty cool, _Mikk :) |
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| 01:19.32 | Cide | though, LoadAddOn is not defined |
| 01:19.38 | _Mikk | haha doh =) |
| 01:19.47 | _Mikk | shouldn't take more than a few minutes to fix |
| 01:19.59 | _Mikk | nice first exercise for you ;) |
| 01:20.28 | _Mikk | though tbh i should probably just implement a base function and use that to load the addons |
| 01:20.36 | _Mikk | which LoadAddOn can call |
| 01:20.54 | _Mikk | what's the exact code load order during initial load though? I've been fretting about that a little |
| 01:21.05 | AnduinLothar | it's ont he wiki |
| 01:21.09 | _Mikk | Right now I'm firing ADDON_LOADED after all intial modules have finished loading |
| 01:21.23 | _Mikk | Though I suspect I'm supposed to do it as each module finishes |
| 01:21.25 | Thrae | What is this, Lua virtualization of the WoW API? |
| 01:21.28 | _Mikk | Aye =) |
| 01:22.38 | Tain | How about RegisterForSave |
| 01:24.49 | _Mikk | You're kidding, right? |
| 01:25.01 | _Mikk | It's kind of .... deprecated? |
| 01:25.27 | _Mikk | Either way, no, it doesn't save SavedVariables at all atm. It only loads. |
| 01:25.31 | cladhaire | like.. completely =) |
| 01:25.41 | Cide | Tain has a point though |
| 01:25.56 | Cide | would be a nice tool to have, but yes, it's unavailable to us mortals nowadays :P |
| 01:25.56 | _Mikk | Hm yeah it's still used for non-addons innit? |
| 01:26.24 | Cide | well |
| 01:26.27 | Cide | signed code can use it |
| 01:26.32 | Cide | which includes signed addons |
| 01:26.51 | _Mikk | I still don't get what's so great about it tho =) |
| 01:26.59 | _Mikk | Just chuck everything into a huge friggin table |
| 01:27.01 | Cide | for addons, it's not really |
| 01:27.12 | Cide | but for using WoWBench, I can see it being useful |
| 01:27.24 | _Mikk | You have a point there |
| 01:27.31 | _Mikk | Though you could just modify world.toc |
| 01:27.39 | Tain | Wait I was making a joke, there was an actual point in it? |
| 01:27.42 | Tain | DAmnit! |
| 01:27.44 | _Mikk | lawl |
| 01:28.18 | Cide | hmm |
| 01:28.27 | zespri_work | so guys, do we already have any items that replaces 'ranged' slot for classes without ranged items in game? I can't find any such item nither on thottbot nor in allakahazam |
| 01:28.29 | Cide | any pointers as to how I would add in LoadAddOn, _Mikk? |
| 01:28.42 | Cide | I can see the API file, but I'm not sure how you load new addons |
| 01:28.43 | zespri_work | like you know, relics and stuff |
| 01:28.53 | AnduinLothar | yes, in 1.10 |
| 01:29.07 | _Mikk | cide: check out WOWB_Main |
| 01:29.14 | AnduinLothar | 3 pally ones and a few druid ones.. |
| 01:29.14 | _Mikk | the function that is |
| 01:30.02 | End | 3 druids ones, 3 pally 3 shaman |
| 01:30.13 | _Mikk | And they're all pretty pathetic |
| 01:30.19 | AnduinLothar | aye |
| 01:30.31 | AnduinLothar | compared to like guns with 1% crit.. |
| 01:30.34 | _Mikk | Except the Cleanse one which is actually useful. But then again, it's a slap in the face of all pallies =) |
| 01:30.47 | End | I think the druid one is fairly nice, but it's a pain in the ass to get |
| 01:30.50 | End | er |
| 01:30.53 | End | the druid rejuv one |
| 01:30.56 | AnduinLothar | aye |
| 01:32.37 | zespri_work | thank you |
| 01:33.12 | AnduinLothar | the pally dev aura one is completely useless |
| 01:33.48 | AnduinLothar | need one with +25 healign or 1% crit or some stats.. |
| 01:34.20 | Thrae | zespri_work: Idols, check out the PTR, all Level 60 pre-made characters have them equipped |
| 01:36.41 | _Mikk | My nick violates freenode policy |
| 01:36.46 | AnduinLothar | failure |
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| 01:46.52 | cladhaire | Cairenn: Did it arrive this time? |
| 01:47.17 | Cairenn | no |
| 01:47.20 | Cairenn | not yet |
| 01:47.22 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 01:47.28 | Cairenn | yeah, really |
| 01:47.41 | cladhaire | O RLY? |
| 01:47.47 | AnduinLothar | norly |
| 01:47.47 | Cairenn | ya rly |
| 01:48.30 | cladhaire | http://watchdog.brokendreams.net/images/c/ca/Clique.zip |
| 01:49.33 | AnduinLothar | yay, this is nifty |
| 01:49.39 | Legorol | ckknight, have you finished the onemorelevel 3D puzzle thing? |
| 01:50.05 | AnduinLothar | made an addon so you can click the channel names or chat types in chat to open a new msg |
| 01:50.39 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: nice |
| 01:50.42 | cladhaire | Legorol: I'm stuck on 19 =( |
| 01:50.46 | ckknight | Legorol, onemorelevel? |
| 01:50.53 | ckknight | Legorol, I was the first one to beat it here. |
| 01:50.58 | Legorol | cool |
| 01:51.04 | Legorol | cladhaire: yes 19 is a bitch |
| 01:51.06 | ckknight | Maldivia also got it, I know |
| 01:51.08 | AnduinLothar | beats chatbar... don't need a bar at all, tho it's not all sexy pretty like chatbar and doesn't flash |
| 01:51.13 | Legorol | but it's a good one if you make it, you learn a lot from it |
| 01:51.18 | Legorol | makes you look at the game in different light |
| 01:51.20 | Legorol | 16 and 19 |
| 01:51.23 | cladhaire | ckknight: How many levels? |
| 01:51.26 | Legorol | i think those two are the hardest |
| 01:51.29 | cladhaire | i got 16 |
| 01:51.30 | cladhaire | it SUCKED |
| 01:51.36 | cladhaire | and i can't apply any of the lessons i learned to 19 =) |
| 01:51.38 | Legorol | i mean there are harder ones, but |
| 01:51.49 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 01:51.53 | Legorol | the hardest in terms of having to change how you think are 16 and 19 |
| 01:52.01 | Legorol | 30 levels in total |
| 01:52.26 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [-b Kaelten!*@*] by Cairenn |
| 01:52.42 | Mikk2 | Why do I recognize that name? |
| 01:52.46 | Legorol | O.o did Cairenn just ban Kaelten? |
| 01:52.51 | Cide | unban :P |
| 01:52.51 | ckknight | cladhaire, 30 |
| 01:52.57 | chuckg | Cause he uses hacked software! |
| 01:52.59 | Legorol | unban, that's worrying too |
| 01:53.03 | ckknight | no, cracked software! |
| 01:53.13 | Legorol | in that case: zomg, was Kaelten banned? |
| 01:53.16 | Mikk2 | oyea. now i remember. ace forums =) |
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| 01:57.38 | Kaelten | aha fixed it |
| 01:57.56 | Kaelten | hi guys :) |
| 01:58.00 | Kaelten | annoying malware removed |
| 01:58.17 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 02:06.30 | AnduinLothar | grr, this regex is owning my face |
| 02:09.20 | AnduinLothar | healadpsadin |
| 02:10.17 | AnduinLothar | noiwonthealu |
| 02:10.34 | AnduinLothar | magex |
| 02:16.41 | AnduinLothar | andthen |
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| 03:03.59 | AnduinLothar | Wraithhammer it is |
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| 03:05.26 | Tem | man what is with Nef's lair |
| 03:05.36 | Tem | my video card has a cow in there |
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| 03:08.10 | Kirov | Someone in this channel made a mod for healers that shows a list of people who are casting heals on your target. |
| 03:08.24 | Kirov | Is the person who wrote that in here, or does anyone else remember what it's called? |
| 03:08.27 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4732-HealWatch.html |
| 03:08.49 | Kirov | Danke cairenn |
| 03:09.05 | Cairenn | bitte Kirov |
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| 03:30.37 | AnduinLothar | doh, it didn't change my savedvars with the name.. |
| 03:30.41 | AnduinLothar | screwed.. |
| 03:31.15 | AnduinLothar | and the old folder got deleted O.o |
| 03:31.40 | AnduinLothar | crap |
| 03:33.55 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 03:34.04 | AnduinLothar | or maybe jsut the addon list wasn't remembered.. |
| 03:34.10 | AnduinLothar | odd |
| 03:37.26 | AnduinLothar | any addon that stored by char name got fubared |
| 03:37.44 | Kirov | mkay, another question ... does anyone have a viable alternative to MCP? |
| 03:38.44 | zespri_work | microsoft certified professional? =) |
| 03:38.53 | Cairenn | heh, thank you zespri |
| 03:39.03 | Kirov | saien's Master Control Program |
| 03:39.17 | Kirov | addon lister, loader |
| 03:39.47 | Kirov | And MyAddons doesn't count |
| 03:39.47 | Corrodias | how about a Democratic Supervisory Committee? |
| 03:40.47 | zespri_work | yeah, that's what always beat me in english, is mater control program is a program that controls a master? =) |
| 03:41.09 | Corrodias | the Slave Revolution Program! |
| 03:41.35 | AnduinLothar | (Master Control) program usually |
| 03:41.46 | AnduinLothar | but Master (Control Program) works too |
| 03:41.50 | zespri_work | and chasing amy - is it amy chasing somebody, or somebody chasing amy? |
| 03:42.07 | AnduinLothar | well that's a title of a movie with is purposely ambiguous |
| 03:42.40 | AnduinLothar | good use imo |
| 03:42.52 | AnduinLothar | abiguity can be good for somethings and bad for others |
| 03:43.07 | Kirov | so, I take it that's a no, no one knows of an alternative |
| 03:43.20 | zespri_work | I don't remeber the plot but it didn't strike me as ambigouse, acoording to the plot it was amy who was being chased. But you can;t tell this from the title |
| 03:43.25 | AnduinLothar | khaos |
| 03:43.32 | Kirov | And I'm guessing ckknight hasn't written his version |
| 03:43.35 | Cairenn | Kirov: I know there is another one similar, but I can't remember the name of it, I'm trying to find out |
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| 03:44.23 | Thrae | Does anyone know if unit tooltip GameTooltipTextLeft1, if left unaltered, is more accurate then UnitName("mouseover") ? |
| 03:44.42 | Kirov | Thrae - more accurate? |
| 03:45.22 | Thrae | Well, I'm trying to figure out why MonkeyQuest and QuestsFu both use GameTooltipTextLeft1 AND go through the trouble of stripping out colour codes instead of just using UnitName("mouseover"). |
| 03:45.56 | AnduinLothar | for matching? |
| 03:46.00 | AnduinLothar | dunno |
| 03:46.07 | AnduinLothar | ignorance prolly |
| 03:46.19 | ckknight | Kemayo copied from MonkeyQuest |
| 03:46.21 | AnduinLothar | and one copied the other |
| 03:46.23 | ckknight | afaik |
| 03:46.30 | Kirov | Well, MonkeyQuest shows for everything, not necessarily for units |
| 03:46.39 | Kirov | ie: updates the tooltip if you mouse over items |
| 03:47.09 | Thrae | Well, I'm talking about QuestsFu:OnMouseOverUnit() |
| 03:47.11 | Kirov | Not sure if it cares if what it's moused over is the real item / unit or if it just constantly checks if the name is correct. |
| 03:47.40 | Thrae | I'll go download MonkeyQuest and see if they named it something similiar. |
| 03:50.06 | Cairenn | Kirov: "kergoth: Cairenn, there are a few in game addon enable/disable apps. i used to use loadit, but now i use addonmanager" |
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| 03:52.23 | Kirov | loadit, that was the one |
| 03:53.09 | Tem | I'm really getting sick of nef's lair crashing my PC |
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| 03:54.53 | Kirov | get an nvidia card! |
| 03:54.58 | Tem | can't |
| 03:55.01 | Tem | laptop |
| 03:55.20 | Kirov | get a laptop with an nvidia chip! |
| 03:55.27 | Kirov | :p |
| 03:55.38 | Kirov | It's really stupid that they can't seem to fix that |
| 03:58.36 | Esamynn | ok, is it really true that a frame's Layer objects always instantiated before its subframes? |
| 04:01.38 | Esamynn | anybody? |
| 04:02.05 | AnduinLothar | sort of |
| 04:02.16 | AnduinLothar | but not necissarily |
| 04:02.38 | Esamynn | thats the behaviour i'm seeing |
| 04:02.40 | AnduinLothar | the onload will be called parent first |
| 04:03.30 | AnduinLothar | but the parent onload can see the child but not the other way around |
| 04:03.39 | Esamynn | not the onload scripts, i've got a couple of FontStrings that that belong to a frame and I want to anchor them to subframes of that frame |
| 04:04.04 | Esamynn | so I put their definitions after the subframes, but the fontstrings are being created first and so can't anchor to the subframes |
| 04:05.43 | Esamynn | I confirmed the creation order in FrameXML.log too, its annoying :( |
| 04:06.46 | Cide | easiest is probably to position them during OnLoad in the subframe |
| 04:07.47 | Esamynn | am I wrong to be annoyed about doing it that way though? |
| 04:10.23 | Cide | no :) |
| 04:10.50 | Esamynn | :D |
| 04:11.09 | Esamynn | maybe I'll poke slouken about it, just for kicks ;) |
| 04:13.02 | Cide | poke him about R_R_U while you're at it :P |
| 04:20.17 | Esamynn | I've poked him about that at least once in the past, like I said, its a "feature" that has come back a couple timesn ow |
| 04:20.21 | Esamynn | now* |
| 04:22.30 | Corrodias | level 17 of the 3d logic puzzle has stumped me |
| 04:23.54 | Corrodias | ah, finally i got it |
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| 04:37.42 | AnduinLothar | 1min of stumpage |
| 04:39.28 | Corrodias | i didn't mention it for at least ten minutes |
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| 05:04.34 | Cairenn | 16 is tough |
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| 05:05.29 | Iriel | Long day? |
| 05:05.42 | Cairenn | more like short night last night |
| 05:06.01 | Iriel | Ah.. I've had too many of those lately, you have my sympathy |
| 05:06.07 | Cairenn | didn't get to sleep until 5am |
| 05:06.08 | Corrodias | i -think- i found 17 harder. 19 took quite a while. |
| 05:06.41 | Cairenn | and then having EVIL EVIL people linking brain teasers ... |
| 05:06.56 | krka | evil indeed! |
| 05:07.38 | Cairenn | So how are you holding up Iriel? |
| 05:07.57 | Iriel | Sane but still busy |
| 05:08.21 | Cairenn | sane is still good ... or so they tell me |
| 05:12.49 | Corrodias | level 23 took me 13 minutes |
| 05:14.26 | Corrodias | and 24 took 2 minutes. the ones with black tiles seem easier. |
| 05:15.36 | Esamynn | hey Iriel, got a question, were you aware that apparently FontStrings and Textures are instantiated before subframes, regardless of which order they are defined in the XML? |
| 05:16.38 | Corrodias | uh oh, 25 looks tough. :o |
| 05:17.50 | Corrodias | never mind |
| 05:18.43 | Iriel | Esamynn : Yes |
| 05:19.00 | Iriel | Esamynn : I believe I asked slouken, who said he wasn't sure but that he thought they were, and then I verified it in-game |
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| 05:19.27 | Esamynn | is there a particular reason or is it just a quirk? |
| 05:20.03 | Iriel | It makes a certain amount of sense "Instantiate me, then instantiate my children" |
| 05:20.18 | Iriel | FontStrings/Textures are more part of the frame than they are children of it |
| 05:21.10 | Esamynn | I would have more expected that to be governed by order in the file, oh well |
| 05:21.32 | Iriel | There's a lot of external ordering in the frame construction process |
| 05:22.11 | Iriel | They're executed in the order they appear in the XSD, if that makes you feel any better? |
| 05:22.17 | Iriel | (Layers versus Frames, that is) |
| 05:23.33 | Esamynn | ahh well, now I know |
| 05:23.41 | Iriel | Anchoring's a real bitch 8-) |
| 05:25.29 | Tem | Anyone here have a guild with Nef on farm? |
| 05:27.16 | Corrodias | if, by "have a guild", you mean "know of a guild on the realm on which you used to play before you stopped playing", then yes. |
| 05:27.45 | Corrodias | if, by "have a guild", you mean "are in some way involved with a guild", then no. |
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| 05:38.32 | Corrodias | so 30 is the last level of that 3d logic game |
| 05:41.31 | Iriel | which game is this? |
| 05:41.44 | Esamynn | Tem: yes |
| 05:41.49 | Cairenn | http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/3dlogic.swf? |
| 05:42.09 | Tem | do you use the Aoe Side, DD side strategy for phase 1? |
| 05:42.31 | Esamynn | DD? |
| 05:42.35 | Tem | direct damage |
| 05:43.00 | Esamynn | more or less, yes |
| 05:43.11 | Esamynn | depends on the colour |
| 05:43.15 | Tem | we were using a "tanklock" for the AOE side, but that just plain doesn't work for green drakkanoids |
| 05:43.23 | Tem | any suggestions? |
| 05:43.58 | Esamynn | we only use a "tanklock" for blues |
| 05:44.28 | Esamynn | meaning a warlock, otherwise, its up to the warriors to keep them occupied |
| 05:45.21 | Tem | so you use warriors to tank it for all the other colors? |
| 05:45.42 | Esamynn | yes |
| 05:46.04 | Esamynn | if we get red the warriors on the side end up in FR gear before the end |
| 05:46.46 | Esamynn | GameTooltip:SetText - does the wrap argument work if you pass a boolean instead of a number? |
| 05:52.43 | snurre | imo "single"-target dps is the best for phase1 |
| 05:52.52 | snurre | the dmg a warr can do there is insane |
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| 05:58.30 | Esamynn | oh definately, we don't have the rest of the dps just stand around |
| 05:58.49 | Esamynn | but the aoe helps for slowing them down as well as taking them down |
| 06:05.15 | AnduinLothar | boots of avoidance in zf zomg woot |
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| 06:09.46 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:17.41 | Cairenn | evening s|loup |
| 06:17.56 | s|loup | looks like slouken lost contact ;) |
| 06:18.16 | Cairenn | spoke with Slouken, gave him the link to the thread, he said he'll look at it as soon as he can but it's likely going to be a while |
| 06:18.27 | s|loup | k |
| 06:18.35 | Cairenn | but he *has* seen it |
| 06:18.54 | s|loup | its always the problem to knwo if he has forgot or no time |
| 06:19.01 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 06:19.21 | Cairenn | so, you remind me periodically and I poke him |
| 06:20.01 | s|loup | ok *g* |
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| 06:36.56 | Wobin | which thread is that Cair? |
| 06:38.41 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=393673&tmp=1#post393673 |
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| 06:42.56 | ckknight | is there any way to tell if an addon has had ADDON_LOADED happen to it? |
| 06:43.16 | ckknight | e.g. if its variables have been loaded |
| 06:46.01 | Iriel | You can ask the UI if it's loaded yet |
| 06:46.13 | s|loup | what about IsAddOnLoaded() ? |
| 06:46.26 | Iriel | Though i'm not sure when that transitions for the addon in progress |
| 06:46.33 | Iriel | though if that's the one you care about, you can set a flag |
| 06:46.59 | ckknight | this is to figure out whether its SVs have been loaded or not |
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| 06:48.02 | Iriel | I expect IsAddOnLoaded will do the trick then |
| 06:48.20 | ckknight | okay |
| 06:49.07 | Iriel | Assuming you're asking about "another" addon than "yours" |
| 06:49.30 | ckknight | well |
| 06:49.36 | ckknight | it's with all sorts of embedded madness |
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| 07:01.25 | Esamynn | wow, I sort of expected the test server to be back up today, a tuesday patch is looking less and less likely |
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| 07:02.52 | Ktron | Hm... |
| 07:03.21 | Ktron | I know I will have questions for the channel, but I'm going to try to avoid some of the dumb ones first |
| 07:03.22 | Kalroth | uh oh |
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| 07:06.26 | Ktron | So, there's an event CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL... where would the args be stored? |
| 07:07.21 | ckknight | arg1, arg2, arg3, etc. |
| 07:08.57 | Esamynn | ~emulate Ktron |
| 07:09.05 | Esamynn | hmmm |
| 07:09.38 | Cairenn | Es .... |
| 07:09.43 | Cairenn | be nice |
| 07:09.47 | Iriel | damn, 23 was a bitch |
| 07:09.57 | Cairenn | hah! Iriel's hooked |
| 07:10.18 | Ktron | heh, what game? |
| 07:10.42 | Cairenn | 3dlogic.swf (application/x-shockwave-flash Object) |
| 07:10.49 | Cairenn | grrrr |
| 07:11.00 | Cairenn | try this, perhaps: http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/3dlogic.swf? |
| 07:11.02 | Cairenn | sheesh |
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| 07:11.18 | AnduinLothar | dont start |
| 07:11.26 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 07:12.11 | krka|work | i do it like lego does it and reduce the problem to a continuous version to find potential solutions |
| 07:12.14 | krka|work | makes it much easier :) |
| 07:12.25 | krka|work | pen & paper FTW |
| 07:15.14 | Esamynn | I must be out of my mind, I've got an old Win98 box that is still in use, it needed to be re-built, so I tried to put Win2k on it, but Win2k REFUSED to install so i'm actually rebuilding it with Win98 O_o |
| 07:15.23 | Cairenn | Okay, I'm out. Night guys. |
| 07:15.30 | krka|work | night cair |
| 07:15.32 | Esamynn | night Cair |
| 07:16.57 | Cairenn|sleep | when the screen has blurred from 2 images of itself to 3, it's definitely time to sleep |
| 07:20.10 | s|loup | n8 cair |
| 07:21.19 | Kaso | bah! why did i clikc that link to that damn devil-game again |
| 07:24.59 | Kaso | the ones with Black blocks aremuch easier |
| 07:31.15 | Iriel | Finished, whew |
| 07:31.35 | Iriel | 23's the only REALLY hard one |
| 07:31.45 | Kaso | damnit, tis the one im on |
| 07:31.53 | Kaso | is that the last? |
| 07:32.48 | Iriel | there are 30 |
| 07:32.52 | Kaso | ah |
| 07:38.56 | Iriel | night all |
| 07:44.40 | Ktron | wow, so far, no questions required... and now they'll have to wait until I go to sleep and wake up again |
| 07:45.26 | Ktron | but I imagine that I'll have a few tomorrow... the process of converting a working alpha in LuaSlinger to a functional standalone/ace'd addon will probably be harder than I'm guessing |
| 07:45.30 | Ktron | who knows, g'night |
| 07:59.28 | krka|work | working alpha of what? |
| 08:03.43 | Esamynn | night all |
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| 08:29.42 | Wobin | I'm stuck on 23 |
| 08:29.46 | Kaso | me too |
| 08:37.12 | MoonWolf | i got stuck on 7.... |
| 08:40.59 | s|loup | someone there and can test ingame? |
| 08:44.26 | Wobin | test what? |
| 08:47.03 | s|loup | just write /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(this:GetID) in your entry |
| 08:47.58 | s|loup | i want to know if this is the entry or the chatframe when execute |
| 08:53.06 | Wobin | 0 |
| 08:53.13 | Wobin | once you add () to GetID |
| 08:53.37 | s|loup | ups sry |
| 08:56.29 | s|loup | thanks |
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| 09:27.33 | Wobin | I -know- there's some sort of logic I can use with that corner |
| 09:27.39 | Wobin | but I can't figure out what it means |
| 09:30.00 | Kaso | the corner is defintly the key to it all |
| 09:30.28 | Wobin | omgomgomg |
| 09:30.34 | Wobin | do you want the answer? |
| 09:30.54 | Kaso | no not yet |
| 09:31.08 | Kaso | but write it down or something cos i proberly will want to know soon |
| 09:31.15 | Wobin | I'll take a screenshot |
| 09:34.05 | Wobin | bah |
| 09:34.09 | Wobin | Can't seem to take a screenshot |
| 09:34.36 | Kaso | hmm? why not? |
| 09:34.47 | Wobin | I dunno |
| 09:35.03 | Wobin | I think it's the Gimp |
| 09:36.29 | Kaso | the bit were there's three in an L shape which one should take up the spare block |
| 09:36.35 | Kaso | just tell me that. |
| 09:36.47 | Wobin | there we go |
| 09:37.32 | Kaso | [ ] [p] |
| 09:37.32 | Kaso | [b] [?] |
| 09:37.32 | Kaso | [o] [g] |
| 09:37.35 | Kaso | what should ? be. |
| 09:41.45 | Wobin | p |
| 09:41.47 | Wobin | urple |
| 09:42.10 | Kalroth | Kaso: q |
| 09:42.33 | Kaso | thanks lemme see if i can get it now |
| 09:46.35 | Wobin | 24-6 are easy in comparison =P |
| 09:48.47 | Kaso | *explode* |
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| 09:56.18 | Kaso | mother fucker! |
| 09:56.21 | Kaso | got it! |
| 09:58.20 | Wobin | woohoo! |
| 10:09.56 | Kaso | my windows keeps asking me to resart to install some patches and it gives me a 5min count donw before it auto-restarts me, can i make it stop bugging me |
| 10:12.44 | MoonWolf | can you link it again ? |
| 10:13.05 | Kaso | the devil-game? |
| 10:13.19 | Kaso | http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/3dlogic.swf |
| 10:24.23 | zenzio | Kaso: that sounds a bit like that RPC virus/exploit/whatever it was a while back... except I don't remember it saying anything about installing patches |
| 10:25.06 | Kaso | nono its just the default windoez update thing, i afew patches ago it started bugging you ever 15 min to restart after you installed a patch |
| 10:25.27 | Kaso | i just want to leave my computer alone for a while in an hour or so and restarting is a bitch :< |
| 10:27.24 | Kaso | ok, im *sure* 27 is impossible. |
| 10:27.47 | SinPi | only at 22 now :/ |
| 10:33.06 | zenzio | "3D Realms Won't Rush Duke Nukem Forever" -- what else is new? :-p |
| 10:38.17 | SinPi | hmm, why do trivial puzzles intermix with hellishly hard? |
| 10:38.35 | SinPi | 19 was quite boggling, 21 and 22 were a breeze... |
| 10:39.31 | Kaso | i dont know its odd |
| 10:39.43 | Kaso | it seems to me that those with walls are generally easier than those without |
| 10:39.52 | Kaso | 23 is the real cockblock. |
| 10:47.11 | Corrodias | 19 was a toughie, i remember |
| 10:47.15 | Corrodias | 17 and 19 took me the longest |
| 10:47.21 | Wobin | Anyone use HealersAssist? |
| 10:50.00 | Kaso | No but that looks pretty cool |
| 10:50.42 | Kaso | might give it a try next time im raid healing |
| 10:51.01 | MoonWolf | i HATE lvl 16 |
| 10:51.03 | Corrodias | sad that that 3dlogic game ends after level 30, just when they were starting to get really good |
| 10:54.40 | Corrodias | 27 looked impossible to me for a few minutes, but i got it |
| 10:55.33 | MoonWolf | someone give me a hint for lvl 16:( |
| 10:55.49 | Kaso | i dont remeber level 16 :< |
| 10:55.55 | Corrodias | in fact, i took screenshots of the solutions starting at 19 |
| 10:56.15 | Kaso | i cant for the life of me work out 27 :< im still conviced its impossible |
| 10:57.17 | Corrodias | i'll give you a hint in a few minutes, if you want one |
| 10:59.38 | Kaso | the colors are random arent they? |
| 10:59.56 | Corrodias | i don't understand the question |
| 11:00.12 | Kaso | I mean blue on my screen could be something else on someone else's |
| 11:00.21 | Corrodias | perhaps |
| 11:00.44 | Corrodias | okay, 27... oh, that one shouldn't be so difficult. tsk tsk. |
| 11:00.45 | MoonWolf | i do think so. |
| 11:01.17 | Corrodias | there's one colored tile stuck in the lower right corner, past a bunch of black tiles, right? what's its color? |
| 11:01.31 | Kaso | yellow |
| 11:01.57 | ckknight | still playing the 3d logic game? |
| 11:02.00 | Corrodias | so they are randomized. well, anyway, fill in every tile that MUST be yellow in order for yellow to be able to hook up at all |
| 11:02.05 | Corrodias | then work on one half at a time |
| 11:02.35 | ckknight | apparently so |
| 11:02.41 | ckknight | Kaso, it's not impossible, I've beaten the game |
| 11:02.49 | Corrodias | it turns into two smaller puzzles that are actually quite simple |
| 11:03.12 | Kaso | ive done the entire right half, i just cant get the left side to hook up |
| 11:03.41 | Corrodias | well, i can't give more hints without giving it away |
| 11:03.51 | Kaso | hmm |
| 11:04.16 | Wobin | 27 wasn't too bad |
| 11:04.24 | Kaso | right hand face, top left cell, what color should it be |
| 11:04.44 | Corrodias | depends on what your colors are. lol |
| 11:05.01 | Kaso | well tell me where it's start is |
| 11:05.11 | Corrodias | the color at the end of the "tunnel" that your yellow is at the end of, i think, is a decent descriptor |
| 11:05.27 | Kaso | ok, lemme work on that then |
| 11:06.10 | krka|work | anyone have a non-brute force algorithm for this type of puzzle? |
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| 11:06.54 | Corrodias | not exactly, although i do try to identify the color with the fewest possible paths that don't immediately "block" other colors |
| 11:07.12 | Corrodias | and/or identify paths that -must- be true in order for certain colors to hook up |
| 11:07.22 | Corrodias | paths or just individual tiles, in the case of a "black tile" level |
| 11:07.59 | krka|work | i was wonder if it could be reduced to a graph problem or something |
| 11:08.03 | Corrodias | level 30 is disappointingly easy. hehe |
| 11:09.06 | MoonWolf | 20 yay |
| 11:09.07 | MoonWolf | 2/3 |
| 11:11.35 | AnduinLothar | so, i need a graphic for a minimap button to replace the mini window toolbar buttons |
| 11:11.42 | AnduinLothar | any idea what it should look like? |
| 11:12.06 | AnduinLothar | figuring I can make a right click dropdown to select one |
| 11:12.20 | AnduinLothar | or have left click toggle through them |
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| 11:13.58 | AnduinLothar | maybe play with a single-double-triple-quadruple-quituple click system |
| 11:14.13 | AnduinLothar | see if anyone uses it |
| 11:15.11 | Corrodias | i've worked my way back up to 15. in a moment, i'll see this 16 that everyone hates |
| 11:16.00 | Wobin | Stuck on 28=( |
| 11:17.00 | MoonWolf | great |
| 11:17.04 | MoonWolf | i am at 23 now. |
| 11:17.48 | SinPi | yeah. |
| 11:18.04 | Corrodias | ah, 16 is the first "tough" one, i see |
| 11:18.31 | Wobin | yay 29 |
| 11:20.37 | clad|sleep | i hate 19 |
| 11:20.47 | clad|sleep | and i have to work my way back up to it once i get into work |
| 11:21.42 | ckknight | the best advice I can give is to view the creator as a sadist. |
| 11:22.17 | clad|sleep | there's no trick as far as i can tell.. which is nice-- just straight forward horrible horrible horrible logic =) |
| 11:23.09 | krka|work | crap, can't manage to reduce this to a known problem |
| 11:23.52 | clad|sleep | 16 wasn't that bad.. but it was toug |
| 11:23.55 | Corrodias | this is probably what it's like to be a highway engineer at a metropolitan exit/entrance |
| 11:24.16 | Wobin | What's the link again? |
| 11:24.23 | Corrodias | http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/3dlogic.swf |
| 11:25.32 | krka|work | engineers cheat and either settle for a non-optimal solution or modify their criteria :) |
| 11:25.41 | krka|work | (that's what i would do!) |
| 11:26.06 | AnduinLothar | so i made an in-game petition to change my name back and the gm emailed me saying i have to email the wowaccountadmin which i had already done, but have gotten no response. |
| 11:26.59 | AnduinLothar | and i sent that email on saturday.. |
| 11:28.36 | AnduinLothar | so why is it i can get the same fps in wow when i'm running a browser and photoshop at the same time.. |
| 11:29.56 | MoonWolf | still lvl 23 |
| 11:30.08 | ckknight | because while they sit, memory isn't being churned and the cpu cycles are docile for the app |
| 11:30.18 | ckknight | with enough memory, it's no big deal, AnduinLothar |
| 11:30.38 | AnduinLothar | mmhmm |
| 11:30.42 | ckknight | also, unused memory portions are swapped into pagefiles and such |
| 11:30.54 | MoonWolf | i got lvl 23!!!1 |
| 11:30.55 | ckknight | or at least they can be |
| 11:30.56 | AnduinLothar | need a faster proc then |
| 11:30.56 | MoonWolf | :O |
| 11:30.58 | Corrodias | ah, for some reason, i'm having trouble with 16, now. |
| 11:31.31 | Corrodias | even though i'm pretty sure i remember part of the solution. maybe that's holding me back. |
| 11:32.40 | AnduinLothar | i emptied my trash, and now i have less space on my hd.. how does that work.. |
| 11:33.25 | Corrodias | got it |
| 11:33.48 | MoonWolf | 26 is a joke. |
| 11:33.51 | MoonWolf | i mean |
| 11:33.55 | MoonWolf | that was tooo easy |
| 11:33.55 | Corrodias | your mom is a joke |
| 11:35.40 | MoonWolf | oh yes |
| 11:35.45 | MoonWolf | so funny, im still laughing. |
| 11:36.21 | Corrodias | 18 now. as soon as i solve this, i'll have screenshots of each level. |
| 11:37.11 | Wobin | bah |
| 11:37.14 | Wobin | 40 |
| 11:37.15 | Wobin | er 30 |
| 11:38.31 | MoonWolf | 29 |
| 11:38.34 | MoonWolf | almost there |
| 11:38.48 | MoonWolf | at some point your brains go |
| 11:38.49 | MoonWolf | aha |
| 11:38.57 | MoonWolf | and they all get a lot easier. |
| 11:40.16 | MoonWolf | lvl 30 |
| 11:40.19 | MoonWolf | bring it on. |
| 11:40.58 | ckknight | lvl 30's easy. |
| 11:43.57 | MoonWolf | i got it. |
| 11:44.14 | MoonWolf | to bad i did not document it. |
| 11:46.59 | Wobin | yay 30 |
| 11:48.43 | Corrodias | now i have screenshots of all the boards and their solutions. |
| 11:50.07 | ckknight | alternatively, you could've gotten the ones already on the internet |
| 11:50.21 | MoonWolf | thats no fun. |
| 11:50.42 | MoonWolf | thats like playing chess and having a comput go, put the piece there, put it there, put it there. |
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| 11:53.16 | ckknight | yea, cheating makes it no fun |
| 11:53.26 | Legorol | level 23 is hard |
| 11:53.28 | ckknight | I just don't know why Corrodias documented it |
| 11:53.39 | MoonWolf | helping people ? |
| 11:53.45 | MoonWolf | i mean, cheating is no fun |
| 11:53.48 | ckknight | but it's already on the internet. |
| 11:53.53 | MoonWolf | but a hint here and there is usefull |
| 11:54.07 | Legorol | i found the hardest ones were 16, 19, 23 |
| 11:54.16 | ckknight | I got 16 really fast |
| 11:54.31 | MoonWolf | 16 and 23 did it for me |
| 11:54.35 | Legorol | ckknight, but most people find 16 hard |
| 11:54.48 | Legorol | it's the first tough one, where you need to change perspective |
| 11:55.13 | MoonWolf | yesterday i could not get past 6 :O |
| 11:55.30 | ckknight | how? |
| 11:55.57 | MoonWolf | 2 am, sleepy |
| 11:56.03 | MoonWolf | hard to keep yes open. |
| 11:56.07 | MoonWolf | eyes* |
| 11:56.12 | AnduinLothar | 5am... cant sleep |
| 11:56.16 | AnduinLothar | haven't tried |
| 11:57.21 | Tain | 8 am, rather be sleeping still. |
| 11:59.02 | Corrodias | 7 am, preparing to go to bed |
| 11:59.09 | Corrodias | i like to sleep during the day |
| 12:03.01 | _B | 15 is impossible, yo |
| 12:04.38 | Legorol | nah, 15 is not too bad.. wait until you get to 16! |
| 12:04.57 | _B | How is that possible if 15 is impossible |
| 12:05.01 | Legorol | lol |
| 12:05.07 | Legorol | by 16 being impo-impossible |
| 12:06.14 | ckknight | I had troubles with 15 |
| 12:06.19 | ckknight | then breezed through 16 |
| 12:06.25 | ckknight | some people just think differently |
| 12:06.47 | Tain | You're a Mac user? |
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| 12:07.06 | ckknight | I'm not |
| 12:07.18 | MoonWolf | lvl 16 specced into imrpoved imposibility |
| 12:07.31 | Tain | Oh yeah they "Think Different" not differently. |
| 12:07.46 | AnduinLothar | no, i'm the mac user. i think differently but not succumbing. I have yet to click the link |
| 12:07.48 | MoonWolf | lvl 23, maximized improved impsibility and got some ranks in Damn hard. |
| 12:08.13 | MoonWolf | Power of Christ Compellls you AnduinLothar |
| 12:08.21 | Mikk2 | Damnit, can you people get finished with that thing already before you sucker me into it? :-) |
| 12:09.02 | MoonWolf | I did it. |
| 12:09.04 | MoonWolf | its doable. |
| 12:09.09 | AnduinLothar | i have never heard that saying before moonwolf, it strikes me odly |
| 12:10.00 | Tain | I fight the power. I won't succumb to peer pressure. |
| 12:11.16 | MoonWolf | http://exorcise.ytmnd.com/ |
| 12:11.23 | ckknight | really, AnduinLothar? |
| 12:12.35 | AnduinLothar | i mean I know how one might construct a sentantance in those parts but I assume you're using it as a saying in its entirety |
| 12:12.50 | AnduinLothar | probably sarcasticly |
| 12:13.45 | AnduinLothar | but the fact that you capitolized the words and pulled the religious allusion out of nowhere is kinda interesting |
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| 12:14.40 | MoonWolf | I dont know the origin. |
| 12:14.43 | MoonWolf | it was |
| 12:14.44 | AnduinLothar | not quite sure how you managed a misspellign as such as well |
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| 12:14.57 | AnduinLothar | three els is unusual |
| 12:15.01 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 12:15.07 | MoonWolf | you can stop the sarcasm now. |
| 12:15.07 | _B | I'm 1 square away from completing 16 |
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| 12:15.29 | AnduinLothar | unless the keys got stuck or you leaned on your keyboard |
| 12:16.19 | ckknight | "my bad" |
| 12:16.21 | AnduinLothar | actually i was being completely serious, although it is rather humerously/eriely symbollic |
| 12:17.20 | Tain | It's from The Exorcist. |
| 12:17.26 | AnduinLothar | orly? |
| 12:17.27 | Tain | Or at least that's the first time I ever heard that phrase. |
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| 12:17.50 | AnduinLothar | hmm, it must have become too popular and faded from use |
| 12:18.20 | AnduinLothar | cause i know some very religious modern people and I've never heard it mentioned in anythign but sarcasm |
| 12:18.41 | ckknight | Tain, it originated before that |
| 12:18.49 | AnduinLothar | no doubt |
| 12:19.00 | Tain | I only know what my modern movies and television shows tell me. |
| 12:19.03 | ckknight | Exorcisms are rarely performed nowadays |
| 12:19.21 | AnduinLothar | publicly anyway |
| 12:19.36 | Tain | The power of coffee compells me. |
| 12:20.12 | Codayus | It's not really a particularly obscure phrase. |
| 12:20.25 | AnduinLothar | I know a few people that have done exorcisms, but they aren't anywhere near as extravagent now as they are hyped to be |
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| 12:22.13 | AnduinLothar | it's hotly debated |
| 12:22.27 | AnduinLothar | as to wheather they are actually exorcizing or not |
| 12:22.48 | zenzio | most of the exorcisms I hear about are those where someone ends up killing someone in the process |
| 12:23.51 | AnduinLothar | yeah, in that case it's probably either a) not an exorsism or b) they were goign about it all wrong |
| 12:24.16 | zenzio | actually it turns out to usually be some extreme religious group |
| 12:24.39 | zenzio | but admittedly they must be going about it wrong |
| 12:25.33 | AnduinLothar | cause If there were an all-powerful God and you could drive out demons in his name then it seems to me that you couldn't really fail if you were doing it right and had the required faith |
| 12:27.10 | AnduinLothar | but we don't really need to get into that |
| 12:28.21 | AnduinLothar | just found the phrase odd, especially in a context where some people have been against mbroaching religious topics, yet somehow its use in sarcasm is fine |
| 12:28.51 | Industrial | <douchebag> do u declare your variables when doing pseudo code? |
| 12:28.52 | Industrial | tee hee |
| 12:29.26 | AnduinLothar | only if it helps to abstract the variable in a meaningful way |
| 12:29.28 | Kalroth | man, 23 was a b*tch to solve :p |
| 12:29.54 | Mikk2 | $randomModIdea: A set of "healing vs dmg" bars that can be docked to playerframes and ctra player frames. Just two bars: A blue one measuring estimated healing input (from combat messages), and a red one measuring estimated dmg input. Decaying average over N seconds. |
| 12:30.18 | AnduinLothar | why? |
| 12:30.42 | Mikk2 | why mod or why 23? |
| 12:31.03 | SinPi | 23 IS a bitch <_< |
| 12:31.05 | Mikk2 | oh, why declare variables. |
| 12:31.22 | AnduinLothar | no, why bars |
| 12:31.24 | Mikk2 | oh |
| 12:31.29 | AnduinLothar | what purpose do they serve |
| 12:31.29 | Mikk2 | do you play a healer? |
| 12:31.40 | AnduinLothar | yes |
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| 12:31.52 | Mikk2 | In some boss encounters, it's damn hard to tell how much you're overhealing a given tank |
| 12:32.13 | Mikk2 | Overhealing is of course necessary in some places, but it's nice to be able to tell if you're able to slack off and tick some mana. |
| 12:32.36 | Tain | The power of flash heal compels me. |
| 12:32.42 | Kaso | sounds a fun idea |
| 12:32.47 | AnduinLothar | aye, i flash compulsively |
| 12:32.55 | Wobin | There are creams for that |
| 12:33.01 | Mikk2 | mana pots cost money =) |
| 12:33.04 | AnduinLothar | tho i dont see how your sugegstion helps with overhealing |
| 12:33.50 | AnduinLothar | oh you mean damage done to your current target or raid in general vs your healing? |
| 12:33.58 | Mikk2 | It'd show me that the tank is currently being overhealed by a factor of 1.5 or more, rather than a target factor of 1.1 or 1.2. |
| 12:34.00 | Wobin | current target I imagine |
| 12:34.03 | Mikk2 | If so, I'd be able to tick mana. |
| 12:34.17 | Wobin | Raid would be a bit... nonspecific |
| 12:34.21 | Mikk2 | Yeah, attach a set of bars to e.g. the ctra MT windows |
| 12:34.29 | Mikk2 | Or just attach it to my current target frame |
| 12:34.32 | AnduinLothar | depends on who you're trying to heal i spose |
| 12:34.42 | Kaso | seems fairly easy to pull off also. |
| 12:34.45 | Mikk2 | Ya |
| 12:34.55 | AnduinLothar | well, you have to parse all forms of healing |
| 12:35.17 | Mikk2 | Extending a mod that already measures healing would work |
| 12:35.19 | Wobin | You could tie it in with one of the comm mods |
| 12:35.28 | AnduinLothar | my grip about DamageMeters is that it doesn't catch my judgements or seals of light |
| 12:35.36 | Wobin | I'm liking HealersAssist |
| 12:35.42 | Wobin | But it's not working properly for me =\ |
| 12:35.49 | Kalroth | uhm, since when is overhealing a problem? :) |
| 12:35.57 | Mikk2 | It costs mana pots =) |
| 12:36.02 | Kalroth | monitor your healers mana instead |
| 12:36.11 | AnduinLothar | overhealing isn't a problem, it's an attempt to be more efficient |
| 12:36.18 | Wobin | overhealing isn't a problem if you have the mana to support it |
| 12:36.23 | Kalroth | exactly |
| 12:36.30 | Mikk2 | On the flip side, it'd also tell me that the tank is currently NOT being overhealed ENOUGH and that I have to start flashing |
| 12:36.34 | Wobin | that's the bottom line really =) |
| 12:36.43 | Kalroth | so monitor your priests mana, how often are they below eg. 5% mana |
| 12:36.56 | Mikk2 | That's a too long timeframe |
| 12:37.03 | Kalroth | for what? |
| 12:37.13 | AnduinLothar | imo the ratio probably isn't very useful unless it can predict future changes |
| 12:37.16 | Mikk2 | I want to know if I can stop flashing right now. Or if I need to start flashing right now. |
| 12:37.27 | AnduinLothar | say, how much hp he'll have when my heal finishes |
| 12:37.47 | Kalroth | oh, it's for the small instances |
| 12:37.52 | Mikk2 | No, it's for 40mans |
| 12:37.56 | Kaso | getting the right moving average period would take some trial and error, you dont want it too jerky or too smoothed |
| 12:38.01 | AnduinLothar | you dont overheal in 5mans |
| 12:38.08 | Kalroth | then you'd also know that you can't predict healing |
| 12:38.30 | Tain | What happens when all of the healers see that the tank is being overhealed and so everyone takes a few ticks off? |
| 12:38.37 | Kalroth | what tain said |
| 12:38.42 | Mikk2 | hehe |
| 12:38.42 | Kalroth | a little lag and it's foobar |
| 12:38.50 | Kaso | well not everyone will be using it :> |
| 12:39.19 | Kalroth | what's the point then? personally I'd rather have tons of overhealing and priests not running dry on mana |
| 12:39.29 | Kalroth | that a priest with 80% mana but is too scared to heal |
| 12:39.35 | AnduinLothar | regardless, you need a ratio equivelent to the damage/healing but you also need to take into acount who else is healing, how much they're healing and how much mana they have |
| 12:39.54 | Kalroth | not to mention spikes |
| 12:40.11 | Kalroth | eg Broodlord and Twin Emp 7-8k damage spikes |
| 12:40.20 | AnduinLothar | spikes are legitimate reasons to cause over healing |
| 12:40.33 | Mikk2 | Thing is, it's a quick job if you extend e.g. DamageMeters. I've been meaning to do it myself for over a month now since I kinda think it might be useful in some fights. I just keep finding myself too busy with other things to actually get to it. If someone else thinks it's a good idea, by all means snarf it before I actually get around to it myself. |
| 12:40.37 | Kalroth | sure, shadowflames in BWL? all drakes and Nef got 'em :) |
| 12:40.46 | AnduinLothar | but you dont want to be overhealign when the damage is predictable |
| 12:40.56 | Kalroth | AnduinLothar: hence why I didn't think it was for raids |
| 12:41.01 | Tain | Why not just see if you can get the mob your tanking to be courteous and send you a tell with how much damage he's about to attack for? |
| 12:41.09 | End | lol Tain |
| 12:41.28 | AnduinLothar | damage is fairly predictable in raids, only in some boss encounters is it unpredictable |
| 12:41.46 | Mikk2 | It's not a replacement for looking for animations or the tank's HP dropping bigtime. It's just an indication of how much I need to be lazily maintentance flashing between such spikes. |
| 12:42.02 | Kalroth | except for MC, please name me predictable boss encounters when it comes to damage? :p |
| 12:42.11 | AnduinLothar | zg |
| 12:42.26 | Kalroth | that's a 20 man, Mikk2 said 40 man :) |
| 12:42.32 | Mikk2 | Gah =) |
| 12:42.34 | AnduinLothar | it's still a raid |
| 12:42.46 | AnduinLothar | and MC is 1/3 of the 40mans atm |
| 12:42.49 | Mikk2 | Hakkar in ZG is a prime example of when this would be REALLY useful. |
| 12:43.06 | Kalroth | what for? |
| 12:43.21 | AnduinLothar | cause the damage is predictable and constant |
| 12:43.56 | Kalroth | have either of you two actually played a tank? :) |
| 12:43.59 | Mikk2 | HealWatch is sort of the same idea, but it's just too much on-screen spam to actually be useful, imo. |
| 12:44.10 | Kalroth | Hakkar is not predictable and constant :) |
| 12:44.18 | Tain | Twin Emps is nice and predictable! |
| 12:44.24 | Mikk2 | Kalroth: My pally has ended up tanking Onyxia for the last couple of percents. Does that count? =) |
| 12:44.34 | Kalroth | Tain: yes! I predict unbalancing strikes now! |
| 12:44.43 | Mikk2 | (Actually, he's tanked all 5man content. But that's beside the point totally) |
| 12:44.45 | Kalroth | Mikk2: how the heck did he get aggro? :p |
| 12:44.47 | AnduinLothar | the tank isn't doing the healing, he jsut watches his life go up and down while he concentrates on agro and when to pop the right defensive abilities |
| 12:44.50 | Mikk2 | Kalroth: Healing =) |
| 12:45.32 | Mikk2 | We were like 10 people left after a totally snafu ony encounter. Tanks dead. Priests dead. One druid up cause he got resurrected. |
| 12:45.40 | Kalroth | AnduinLothar: uh, I got lifegiving gem, health potion, whipper, night dragon, last stand .. you don't think I watch my health just as much as priests? :) |
| 12:45.42 | Mikk2 | Bitch went down anyway =) |
| 12:45.48 | AnduinLothar | on the contrary, hakkar's hits are roughly in the same range, so as long as you know who he's targetting you can predict who to heal |
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| 12:46.40 | AnduinLothar | imo one of the most difficult things about being a tank is knowing when to use your consumables |
| 12:47.01 | Kalroth | shield block is :) |
| 12:47.01 | AnduinLothar | because for the most part you don't know who's casting on you or how long till your next heal |
| 12:47.01 | Mikk2 | Aggro keeping is mostly just doinking whatever's not on cooldown |
| 12:47.18 | Industrial | heh |
| 12:47.18 | Mikk2 | In raids |
| 12:47.33 | Kalroth | shield block is the single skill that'll save a tank from potential massive damage :) |
| 12:47.41 | AnduinLothar | that is why you have 3 different healer classes that specialize in different types of heals |
| 12:48.14 | Mikk2 | Pft. Pallies and priests are the same =/ |
| 12:48.15 | Industrial | what does paladin/shaman specialize in then? |
| 12:48.18 | AnduinLothar | ideally this would mean your heals should be predictable too, provided they are in range and have mana |
| 12:48.39 | AnduinLothar | paladins have the most efficient flash |
| 12:48.55 | AnduinLothar | and can spam flashes for almost an entire fight |
| 12:48.57 | Mikk2 | Yeah, which lands for priest values with the right amount of +heal |
| 12:49.32 | AnduinLothar | whereas priest specialize in slow half health heals |
| 12:50.01 | AnduinLothar | and need to knwo when to cancil a long heal to conserve mana |
| 12:50.11 | AnduinLothar | which also means they should be landing less heals |
| 12:50.23 | AnduinLothar | but when it lands it counts |
| 12:50.36 | Wobin | Also last minute shields along with the pallies |
| 12:50.59 | AnduinLothar | and a well placed priest shield can save a tank while not wipign agro |
| 12:51.10 | AnduinLothar | where as a well placed pally shield can save a mage |
| 12:51.14 | Kalroth | the problem is that you can't cancel your heal before it's almost cast, that's the only time you'll know the actual health of the tank, unless the encounter is so simple that the tank can survive for a few seconds without healing |
| 12:51.18 | Wobin | by taking the aggro |
| 12:51.30 | Mikk2 | Aye. Pally shields kinda suck that way. Though I've been known to thwap BoProt on a tank about to die and replace it with another blessing after 1.5 secs =) |
| 12:51.55 | AnduinLothar | thus why i said it would only be useful if it would predict your target's hp |
| 12:51.55 | Wobin | Kalroth: That's what the healsync addons are for |
| 12:52.00 | End | Kalroth: yeah, that's stupid I think |
| 12:52.13 | Wobin | It allows you to try and predict whether it's worthwhile you to continue casting |
| 12:52.27 | Kalroth | yup, that's what Mikk2 wants to make :) |
| 12:52.28 | Wobin | eg, someone else is throwing in a faster/earlier heal |
| 12:52.48 | Wobin | to a certain degree |
| 12:52.48 | AnduinLothar | except it wont predict their hp, his is more abstract |
| 12:53.01 | AnduinLothar | jsut a showing the ratio |
| 12:53.07 | End | someone else is -always- throwing a faster/earlier heal |
| 12:53.13 | Mikk2 | Yea, my idea isn't so much a thing to use for heal-to-heal selection |
| 12:53.21 | Mikk2 | It's to know when you can tick mana |
| 12:53.29 | Kalroth | End: Unless everyone is waiting .. :) |
| 12:53.41 | End | Kalroth: I don't have that problem |
| 12:54.07 | AnduinLothar | what would be more useful imo is if i could see when and what all the ehalers were casting |
| 12:54.19 | Mikk2 | That's HealerWatch |
| 12:54.24 | Mikk2 | or whatever the name is |
| 12:54.28 | JoshBorke | HealWatch :-) |
| 12:54.30 | Wobin | yeah theres a few |
| 12:54.35 | JoshBorke | and i'm working on putting in the AllHeals option |
| 12:54.37 | Wobin | HealWatch HealerAssist et al |
| 12:54.58 | Mikk2 | I never grew too fond of that one myself. Perhaps because I'm playing a paladin. |
| 12:55.09 | Wobin | allheals? |
| 12:55.15 | AnduinLothar | aye, pally doesn't need the same info a priest does |
| 12:55.15 | Mikk2 | Well... that's to say that my healer alt is a paladin. =) |
| 12:55.31 | JoshBorke | i wrote it and i hardly use it :D |
| 12:55.38 | Mikk2 | haha |
| 12:55.53 | JoshBorke | but i'm a paladin so all I do all fight is spam flash of light |
| 12:56.02 | End | JoshBorke: so, it'll work without everyone having it, but it'll work better if everyone has it? |
| 12:56.11 | JoshBorke | ( End ): yes |
| 12:56.13 | AnduinLothar | right, you jsut care if other people are healign at all |
| 12:56.32 | AnduinLothar | not really what or on who as logn as they are currently casting |
| 12:56.36 | End | JoshBorke: *bookmark* |
| 12:56.36 | JoshBorke | but it is nice to see that i'm the only one healing a tank for most of the fight |
| 12:56.52 | JoshBorke | ( End ): there are still lots of bugs I need to iron out |
| 12:57.05 | JoshBorke | I heartily recommend HealSync by Shag for single target information |
| 12:58.00 | JoshBorke | i've tried to keep an eye on the competition :-) |
| 12:59.39 | AnduinLothar | if only i could get people to use APB... if there was an audience I'd make a raid version |
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| 13:00.15 | JoshBorke | i tried to steal ideas from it, but I got lost in all the code :-( |
| 13:00.30 | AnduinLothar | it's emensely complex |
| 13:00.45 | zenzio | APB? |
| 13:00.53 | AnduinLothar | ArcanePartyBars |
| 13:00.55 | JoshBorke | arcane party bars |
| 13:01.07 | JoshBorke | wowbench? |
| 13:01.14 | Mikk2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench |
| 13:01.20 | AnduinLothar | creates casting bars for party members based on chat channel comm on passed events |
| 13:01.51 | AnduinLothar | so it's infinitely more accurate than HealSync or HealWatch |
| 13:02.05 | AnduinLothar | but it requires each person to have the addon |
| 13:02.18 | AnduinLothar | rather than try and guess |
| 13:02.19 | JoshBorke | zomg I <3 you Mikk2 :D |
| 13:02.26 | Mikk2 | =) |
| 13:02.59 | JoshBorke | that's nifty |
| 13:03.25 | JoshBorke | the accuracy of HealWatch would improve as more people ran it :-) |
| 13:04.00 | AnduinLothar | dunno, if i made a raid version you think people might use it more? |
| 13:04.00 | AnduinLothar | there's a handful of people in my guild that use it, but they're not usually all in the same party |
| 13:04.26 | JoshBorke | you'd need to add filtering options to it I think |
| 13:04.40 | JoshBorke | so you could watch mage spells, warlock spells etc |
| 13:05.02 | JoshBorke | and then yes, I think people would use it because then class leaders could see what the others in the raid are doing |
| 13:05.44 | AnduinLothar | might be useful if you could have it auto-sort by target or hostile/friendly |
| 13:05.44 | AnduinLothar | or class |
| 13:05.45 | AnduinLothar | spose i could make hostile casts red and friendly casts green |
| 13:05.48 | AnduinLothar | hmm, possibly yeah |
| 13:06.14 | zenzio | casting bars as in progress bars? |
| 13:06.19 | AnduinLothar | maybe some sort of Caster's Target window that shows the HP of the target player or mob |
| 13:06.22 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 13:06.31 | zenzio | ah, I thought you meant actionbars at first |
| 13:06.58 | AnduinLothar | nah, i try to use the lables used in the code |
| 13:07.00 | JoshBorke | ( AnduinLothar ): if you made some sort of general spell watcher, I think you'd hit a much larger audience |
| 13:07.13 | zenzio | yeah, was just me not paying attention |
| 13:07.21 | AnduinLothar | you mean like a parser mixed in? |
| 13:07.27 | zenzio | I'm a warrior, I don't see casting bars very often, so they slip my mind |
| 13:07.35 | Wobin | Although knowing what other people are hostily casting is less of a priority than knowing about healing |
| 13:08.22 | JoshBorke | ( AnduinLothar ): perhaps as an addition later, seems like it would be easy to addon |
| 13:08.22 | AnduinLothar | right, that's why sorting would be a necessity |
| 13:08.22 | AnduinLothar | not really |
| 13:08.23 | AnduinLothar | i hate parsing |
| 13:08.44 | JoshBorke | perhaps you could use ParserLib then |
| 13:08.49 | AnduinLothar | keepign a parsing addon up to date with more than one language is a nightmare |
| 13:09.06 | Wobin | much easier to say "Offer a lightweight addon that you can suggest to the casters in your guild as being helpful" |
| 13:09.09 | Mikk2 | Can't you just work off of the constant strings? |
| 13:09.13 | AnduinLothar | there just aren't enough good global strings to use in that area |
| 13:09.21 | Mikk2 | Oh |
| 13:09.31 | Mikk2 | I thought that's what DamageMeters was doing |
| 13:09.44 | AnduinLothar | it tries as much as possible |
| 13:10.06 | Mikk2 | Anyway, I'd just plug into DamageMeters and/or Recap, I think |
| 13:10.06 | AnduinLothar | but even the DM author gave up workign with the localizations |
| 13:10.08 | Mikk2 | Everyone has those anyway |
| 13:10.09 | Wobin | How does the syncing work for DM |
| 13:10.20 | Mikk2 | It's a one-shot sync after the fight |
| 13:10.26 | Mikk2 | Triggered manually |
| 13:10.28 | JoshBorke | it just takes the max of all the numbers |
| 13:10.31 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.10 | Mikk2 | One thing about all the sync mods though, is that noone has room for more channels. |
| 13:11.19 | Mikk2 | They need to piggyback on CTRA if it's installed |
| 13:11.27 | AnduinLothar | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1309833911457581073 |
| 13:11.44 | Wobin | and hope it doesn't overload the channel =P |
| 13:11.51 | AnduinLothar | i dont use ctra, so i would dissagree, but then i wrote a comm lib |
| 13:12.21 | Wobin | Well not using the ctra channel doesn't solve the lack of channels problem |
| 13:12.29 | Industrial | I dont use any channel other then general and trade when im in cities |
| 13:12.35 | Mikk2 | o.O |
| 13:12.43 | Wobin | But using a channel that a large majority of other people do is just common sense |
| 13:12.45 | Industrial | and general only in battlegrounds |
| 13:12.50 | Industrial | to shout INV U FUXORZ |
| 13:12.51 | Mikk2 | My channel list is constantly choked |
| 13:13.05 | Industrial | so 0, usually |
| 13:13.06 | Industrial | :P |
| 13:13.17 | Mikk2 | And no, I'm not in localdefense, worlddefense, general.. |
| 13:13.18 | AnduinLothar | yeah, i'm constantly maxing mine out |
| 13:13.51 | AnduinLothar | esp with cta, sky, ctra, and 2 or 3 guild channels |
| 13:13.59 | Mikk2 | (This is why I'm writing my DKP mod online sync to use whispers rather than a channel. Flood fill updates ftw! =)) |
| 13:14.18 | Mikk2 | (That, and the fact that whispers are more secure) |
| 13:14.30 | Industrial | that will flood the whispers |
| 13:14.34 | Industrial | Bad Thing (tm) |
| 13:14.41 | Mikk2 | Not if I rate limit it |
| 13:14.43 | Mikk2 | Which I do |
| 13:15.09 | Industrial | I dont want to see that data... (im guessing its 'collected' data that yuou share or whatever) |
| 13:15.11 | Mikk2 | Plus wait for ACKs every once in a while |
| 13:15.55 | Mikk2 | Industrial: Yeah. Data about things being looted and DKP changes to raid members. |
| 13:16.22 | Mikk2 | (Which includes fairly sizeable lists of people since it's zerosum DKP) |
| 13:16.34 | Industrial | then you dont have my support :( |
| 13:16.44 | Mikk2 | Because? =) |
| 13:16.51 | Industrial | I liek to read my whispers |
| 13:16.52 | Industrial | :P |
| 13:16.56 | Mikk2 | Err doh |
| 13:16.59 | Mikk2 | Hook ChatFrame ftw |
| 13:17.03 | Mikk2 | Nothing's visible |
| 13:17.38 | Industrial | well if it works with all of these :http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/addons/ im happy |
| 13:18.08 | Industrial | =P |
| 13:18.17 | AnduinLothar | just use Sky, already has whisper support and hiding |
| 13:18.31 | Mikk2 | I'm allergic to dependencies =) |
| 13:18.39 | AnduinLothar | it's embeddable |
| 13:18.42 | Mikk2 | oh |
| 13:19.00 | Mikk2 | Ahwell, it's already in there since I needed to hide whisper commands from raid members to the raid leader. |
| 13:19.07 | Mikk2 | (And his automated responses) |
| 13:19.41 | Mikk2 | s/raid leader/loot master/ |
| 13:19.57 | Industrial | so the raid members send what they loot to the loot master? |
| 13:20.06 | Mikk2 | Er no |
| 13:20.14 | Industrial | isnt that in the chat frame by default? X loots Y? |
| 13:20.14 | Industrial | oh |
| 13:20.34 | Mikk2 | Events like "show me my current DKP", "show DKP for people in the raid of my class", etc |
| 13:21.10 | AnduinLothar | Sky.sendMessage(text, SKY_PLAYER, targetValue, targetPlayerName) |
| 13:21.37 | AnduinLothar | auto-hidden and sent to a recieving mailbox, recieved by an accept function |
| 13:21.47 | Mikk2 | Aye Anduin, it deffo sounds like I didn't do my homework, but the thing is, my mod already has all this code, and tbh, I'm not ripping it out =) |
| 13:22.15 | AnduinLothar | did you already code in outgoing throttling? |
| 13:22.21 | Mikk2 | Yep |
| 13:22.43 | Mikk2 | And message sequencing, ACKing, packetizing... |
| 13:22.55 | AnduinLothar | and you know ChatFrame_OnEvent is called 7 times for every event |
| 13:23.52 | Mikk2 | o.O |
| 13:24.03 | AnduinLothar | once per chat frame |
| 13:24.17 | AnduinLothar | processes by each one individually |
| 13:24.22 | Mikk2 | Duh |
| 13:24.30 | Mikk2 | ChatFrame is a dinosaur that needs to be fixed |
| 13:24.39 | AnduinLothar | so i hope you have your own event driver too |
| 13:24.51 | AnduinLothar | and only use that hook for hiding |
| 13:25.14 | Legorol | wow, they are now giving away 10 day guest passes to anyone who wants it! |
| 13:25.19 | Legorol | is that happening in US too? |
| 13:26.05 | AnduinLothar | a while ago |
| 13:26.17 | Mikk2 | Anduin: Yeah, I only hook ChatFrame for hiding |
| 13:26.25 | Mikk2 | But now I suspect that it's not doing the right thing. |
| 13:26.27 | AnduinLothar | emailed out #'s |
| 13:26.47 | Mikk2 | Since it removes whispers that have been successfully hidden from the queue |
| 13:26.58 | Mikk2 | It'll prolly break horribly if someone has whispers in multiple windows |
| 13:27.00 | Mikk2 | Thanks for the info |
| 13:27.14 | AnduinLothar | well, it's good to have a grasp on the system but it's a pain to get everything working |
| 13:28.14 | AnduinLothar | Alex was the orig designer and people hated it for a long time, but we've had over a year to clean it up |
| 13:29.06 | AnduinLothar | can always use inprovements tho, refactoring, simplifying. it's a never ending job |
| 13:29.21 | AnduinLothar | if ever i'm bored and dont want to do something new i go refactor a library |
| 13:29.47 | Legorol | having at least one character on a server in each of Blizz's data centers ftw! |
| 13:30.01 | Legorol | this way, i benefit from every free game time they give out when they have to bring down clusters of servers :) |
| 13:30.09 | AnduinLothar | now if only i knew someone who liked to write documentation in their spare time... |
| 13:30.19 | MoonWolf | nobody |
| 13:30.30 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: that'd be a miracle |
| 13:30.46 | AnduinLothar | gonna have to geneticly engineer someone |
| 13:30.48 | zenzio | writing documentation isn't all bad... the problem is you have to understand what you are documenting |
| 13:30.58 | MoonWolf | and its boring. |
| 13:31.02 | Legorol | no no, the writing part is bad :) |
| 13:31.06 | Legorol | understanding it is fun... |
| 13:31.08 | zenzio | matter of opinion |
| 13:31.09 | AnduinLothar | who is addicted to understanding things and explainign them |
| 13:31.43 | Legorol | i like both understanding, and explaining... just not documenting :) |
| 13:32.03 | zenzio | I like understanding (even though I don't do a great deal of it)... that's why I prefer to write my own stuff |
| 13:32.07 | AnduinLothar | i dont mind commenting or writting blurbs, but documentation is so taxing on me |
| 13:32.23 | AnduinLothar | esp of someone else's work |
| 13:32.30 | Mikk2 | True that Anduin. Big blocks of comments are easier than standalone documentation |
| 13:32.37 | Mikk2 | The biggest problem with standalone is never knowing what level to aim for |
| 13:33.00 | AnduinLothar | right i like comments cause i just assume they can read code |
| 13:33.14 | zenzio | just do like Larry Wall |
| 13:33.17 | zenzio | "No, I'm not going to explain it. If you can't figure it out, you didn't want to know anyway... :-)" |
| 13:33.28 | AnduinLothar | :) i've said that before |
| 13:33.34 | Mikk2 | There's a variation of that. |
| 13:33.36 | MoonWolf | to bad that argument does not always work. |
| 13:33.41 | MoonWolf | try rowne's code. |
| 13:33.47 | MoonWolf | one letter vars EVERYWHERE |
| 13:33.47 | zenzio | no argument ever always works |
| 13:33.55 | Mikk2 | "I don't comment code. Comments can go out of date and DECREASE code legibility. It's better if you just read the actual code." |
| 13:34.09 | MoonWolf | keep the damn comment up to date then. |
| 13:34.22 | Mikk2 | That's the religion _I_ subscribe to, yes =) |
| 13:34.25 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 13:34.30 | zenzio | // why does this work? |
| 13:34.37 | Mikk2 | Does it? o.O |
| 13:34.39 | Mikk2 | Oh |
| 13:34.40 | Mikk2 | Haha |
| 13:34.44 | MoonWolf | thats like saying im not going to put a , paint wet sign up because the pain might dry up and the sign would go out of date. |
| 13:34.45 | Mikk2 | Yeah that's a nice one =) |
| 13:34.54 | AnduinLothar | i like leaving in code review comments... // wtf does this do? |
| 13:34.55 | MoonWolf | i have a |
| 13:35.05 | MoonWolf | / this should be redudant, but it isnt,.... wtf |
| 13:35.11 | Mikk2 | "// I deserve to be shot for this" <-- I've been known to put that one in from time to time |
| 13:35.55 | Legorol | to be honest, i'd be lying if i said i don't like to understand and document stuff |
| 13:35.55 | Mikk2 | "// If you can't make sense of the macro hive below, don't modify it." <-- I'm also guilty of that one |
| 13:36.04 | Legorol | i just didn't want to admit it, because then AnduinLothar will jump on me :) |
| 13:36.08 | Mikk2 | haha |
| 13:36.21 | AnduinLothar | there's a reason i liek to keep you around... |
| 13:36.37 | Legorol | lol, but i don't do much these days.. |
| 13:36.40 | Legorol | i wish i had more time :( |
| 13:36.42 | AnduinLothar | lazy ass |
| 13:36.46 | Mikk2 | Gah. I've only had one cup of espresso. No wonder my brain refuses to start working. Brb. |
| 13:36.51 | MoonWolf | for key, value in linkFuncs do |
| 13:36.51 | MoonWolf | local orig, linkFunc = key,value -- I cant leave this out, dont ask me why. |
| 13:36.57 | MoonWolf | thats also mine. |
| 13:36.59 | Legorol | i was planning on doing a Khaos dev documentation for a long long time :( just no time |
| 13:37.13 | Legorol | that, and i'm lazy too :) |
| 13:38.02 | MoonWolf | for some reason the code after that wont work if i rename orig and linkfunc in it and remove the line. |
| 13:38.36 | Legorol | MoonWolf, what else is in that loop? |
| 13:38.37 | AnduinLothar | you just need to be properly motivated... if i were motivated to motivate you i would make an outline and post half of it semi completed on the wiki and pass it by you until you were so frusterated by my half assed job that you'd be compelled to take over |
| 13:38.50 | Legorol | lol! |
| 13:39.06 | Legorol | no tbh you wouldn't succeed motivating me much these days |
| 13:39.08 | MoonWolf | http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/Mendeleev/Mendeleev.lua |
| 13:39.11 | MoonWolf | search for that line. |
| 13:39.42 | AnduinLothar | you're never here sitting around with free time, nothign to motivate you with |
| 13:40.21 | AnduinLothar | i jsut made a nifty minimap button with dropdown menu for the mcro buttons |
| 13:40.49 | AnduinLothar | now i can hide them, yay |
| 13:41.15 | Legorol | MoonWolf: i take it the problem is that if you use key/value directly in the code, rather than orig/linkFunc, it doesn't work? |
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| 13:41.46 | MoonWolf | yep, if you rename orig/linkFunc to key/value in the code and remove the line that SHOULD be redudant. |
| 13:41.50 | MoonWolf | it plain doesnt work. |
| 13:41.51 | End | dir: not found |
| 13:41.51 | End | ERROR: error in error handling |
| 13:41.52 | Legorol | it's not though |
| 13:41.59 | Legorol | because of the rules about block-local variables |
| 13:42.04 | Legorol | i can explain the difference, if you like |
| 13:42.12 | Legorol | (see, read, understand, explain) |
| 13:42.19 | MoonWolf | please explain. |
| 13:42.28 | Legorol | just gimme a moment to think it through :) |
| 13:42.32 | Legorol | want to get this right |
| 13:42.42 | MoonWolf | the stuff is local in its own loop |
| 13:42.48 | Legorol | yup |
| 13:43.00 | MoonWolf | im not using it outside. |
| 13:43.28 | Legorol | ok, here is the deal: |
| 13:43.34 | Legorol | you see this line: self:ParseTooltip(tooltip,linkFunc(a,b,c)) |
| 13:43.40 | Legorol | this refers to the linkFunc variable |
| 13:43.42 | MoonWolf | eyp |
| 13:43.50 | Legorol | if this were referring to value, |
| 13:43.59 | Legorol | then what it refers to would change as you go through the loop |
| 13:44.23 | Legorol | ok, look at it this way, let me slightly restructure and abstract your code |
| 13:44.28 | MoonWolf | go ahead |
| 13:44.36 | Legorol | going to pastebin, sec.. |
| 13:44.50 | Mikk2 | End: are you running under *nix? |
| 13:44.57 | AnduinLothar | lol legorol.. he motivated you.. |
| 13:45.05 | End | Yes |
| 13:45.07 | JoshBorke | jlol |
| 13:45.09 | MoonWolf | note, not my code, keal suggested i adopt his hooking method instead of my old ugly one. |
| 13:45.10 | Mikk2 | Meh |
| 13:45.20 | MoonWolf | i only trimmed and changed it for use in mendeleev. |
| 13:45.20 | Mikk2 | The problem is in utils.lua |
| 13:45.25 | End | okie dokie |
| 13:45.29 | Mikk2 | It's executing system calls |
| 13:45.33 | Mikk2 | Which assumes win32 |
| 13:45.39 | Mikk2 | Plus I seem to have borked my error handler |
| 13:45.40 | AnduinLothar | I'd suggest my embeddable hookign method but you wouldn't listen |
| 13:45.42 | Mikk2 | I need to fix that NOW |
| 13:46.28 | End | oh |
| 13:46.36 | End | that explains that whole dir: not found bit |
| 13:46.49 | MoonWolf | would it be better or more efficient then i have now ? |
| 13:47.26 | Mikk2 | Weird, the error handler is NOT broken for me |
| 13:47.33 | Legorol | ok, MoonWolf, check this out: http://wow.pastebin.com/710706 |
| 13:47.36 | Mikk2 | But both you and Cide get "ERROR: error in erro handling" |
| 13:47.44 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: yep, because this is a 5 minute job and i have to go in 5 minutes :) |
| 13:47.50 | Mikk2 | End: I compile XML into Lua, and then into compiled Lua |
| 13:47.52 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 13:47.55 | Mikk2 | I need to know when shit needs to be updated |
| 13:48.02 | Mikk2 | (It speeds up the loading process immensely) |
| 13:48.18 | MoonWolf | aha |
| 13:48.19 | Legorol | MoonWolf: the point is this: the "value" variable is local to the loop, yes, but it's the same variable that is seen by *every* function you create |
| 13:48.37 | Legorol | but what you want is a *different*, individual variable for each function |
| 13:49.01 | MoonWolf | the worst thing ofcourse is that when you get it you get this feeling that you should have though of it yourself. |
| 13:49.04 | Legorol | by inserting that local orig, etc. line you create a new variable with each iteration to use with each function |
| 13:49.11 | MoonWolf | thanks Legorol |
| 13:49.13 | Mikk2 | End: What Lua version are you using? |
| 13:49.20 | Legorol | no no, upvalues and closures in Lua are very tricky things |
| 13:49.32 | End | 5.0 |
| 13:49.32 | Mikk2 | Because even if I fubar the command line, it keeps working for me |
| 13:49.38 | End | but, mine is called lua and luac |
| 13:49.42 | End | not lua50 and luac50 |
| 13:49.45 | Mikk2 | The only thing that happens is that it thinks that stuff needs to be updated all the time |
| 13:50.07 | Mikk2 | Hm |
| 13:50.20 | Legorol | no problem, MoonWolf |
| 13:50.28 | Legorol | now go and document this in a comment before that block of code :p |
| 13:50.36 | MoonWolf | when i get home i will |
| 13:50.37 | Legorol | because next time you look you won't remember ;-) |
| 13:51.18 | End | well, changing the luac it tries to use from luac50 to luac didn't help |
| 13:51.28 | End | the issue is somewhere else |
| 13:51.48 | Mikk2 | Ok, I renamed my lua parser and compiler now |
| 13:51.55 | Mikk2 | I'm still not getting "error in error handling" |
| 13:52.12 | End | yeah, it's not related |
| 13:52.22 | End | I don't think I'm even hitting using luac |
| 13:53.12 | Mikk2 | You can patch around it by modifying WOWB_ErrHandler to immediately do "if(1) the return msg; end" |
| 13:53.19 | Mikk2 | But that disables the debugger and everything |
| 13:53.21 | Thrae | "error in error handling" -- now THAT's a serious error! |
| 13:53.24 | Mikk2 | I'd really like to know wtf is going on |
| 13:53.32 | Mikk2 | s/the/then/ |
| 13:55.36 | End | rofl |
| 13:55.43 | End | I don't have a directory called tmp |
| 13:55.53 | Mikk2 | Oh, I was gonna say that |
| 13:55.58 | Mikk2 | Then you distracted me =) |
| 13:56.10 | Mikk2 | It's in http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench/Installing =) |
| 13:56.13 | End | that doesn't help though o_O |
| 13:56.19 | End | or maybe |
| 13:56.22 | End | it gets farther |
| 13:56.34 | End | hmm |
| 13:56.36 | End | nope |
| 13:56.58 | End | oh |
| 13:56.59 | End | duhg |
| 13:57.04 | Mikk2 | Do "lua wowbench.lua -v -d" |
| 13:57.08 | End | I am |
| 13:57.11 | Mikk2 | Enables debug message spewage |
| 13:57.11 | Mikk2 | ok |
| 13:57.14 | End | the issue is my missing dir |
| 13:57.19 | End | I don't have a dir command |
| 13:57.24 | Mikk2 | No, you have ls |
| 13:57.35 | Mikk2 | But that STILL shouldn't cause an all-out error |
| 13:57.39 | End | well |
| 13:57.42 | Mikk2 | It'd just mean that it'd re-parse the xml all the time |
| 13:57.53 | End | it can't open tmp/dir.txt if it doesn't get created |
| 13:58.00 | Mikk2 | point |
| 13:58.08 | End | you should check the value of fil |
| 13:58.08 | Mikk2 | but hrm i just tried fubaring the command |
| 13:58.15 | End | before manipulating it |
| 13:58.23 | Mikk2 | ah duh i had a dir.txt rotting around since before ofcours |
| 13:58.24 | Mikk2 | <-stoopid |
| 13:58.57 | Mikk2 | local ret = {}; |
| 13:58.57 | Mikk2 | local fil = io.open("tmp/dir.txt"); |
| 13:58.57 | Mikk2 | if(not fil) then return ret; end |
| 13:59.07 | End | I just did touch tmp/dir.txt :P |
| 13:59.12 | Mikk2 | =) |
| 13:59.12 | End | it gets a lot farther now |
| 13:59.25 | Mikk2 | I want to know why you're getting "error in error handler" tho |
| 13:59.41 | Thrae | Mikk2: Where can I download WoWBench? |
| 13:59.43 | Mikk2 | Must be a parser incompatibility |
| 13:59.48 | Mikk2 | You can't atm. I can mail it to you. |
| 13:59.58 | Mikk2 | I'm waiting for SourceForge to OK my new project |
| 14:00.05 | End | hmmm |
| 14:00.08 | Thrae | Ahh. |
| 14:00.31 | End | now it can't find FrameXML.toc ...but..my BlizzardInterface directory is -right- here :( |
| 14:00.41 | Thrae | If it's OK, could you email a copy to spamreceiver1@umbc.edu ? |
| 14:00.45 | Mikk2 | wowbench/blizzardinterface/FrameXML ? |
| 14:01.02 | Mikk2 | check capitalization against your config.lua |
| 14:01.15 | End | whoops, I lied it was BlizzardInteface |
| 14:01.20 | Mikk2 | haha |
| 14:01.31 | End | oh |
| 14:01.36 | End | I need to use 1.10 sources? |
| 14:01.36 | Thrae | Blizzard In-The-Face! |
| 14:01.46 | End | it doesn't recognize 1.11 xml |
| 14:01.48 | Mikk2 | Fook knows. I used 1.10 |
| 14:01.50 | Mikk2 | Oh great |
| 14:01.52 | Mikk2 | Yeah, 1.10 then |
| 14:02.03 | End | check the new Button changes with ButtonText and whatnot |
| 14:02.09 | Mikk2 | I will |
| 14:02.17 | Mikk2 | I've just been busy with overhauling WoWWiki the past 3 weeks =) |
| 14:02.17 | End | that means some of my code I can't test out though :-/ |
| 14:02.41 | End | I changed my xml to use ButtonText since it's a lot cleaner to use |
| 14:04.20 | Mikk2 | Meh. I'll have to install Lua on my linux box. |
| 14:04.24 | Mikk2 | Hope the sys drive has space for it |
| 14:04.44 | Mikk2 | Thrae: Sent |
| 14:05.57 | End | hey, it runs now |
| 14:06.10 | Mikk2 | whoot |
| 14:09.27 | End | interesting though, the blizzard lua doesn't run properly |
| 14:09.27 | Mikk2 | using 1.11 still? |
| 14:09.27 | AnduinLothar | ok, well i'm raiding in 12 hours, think it's sleep time |
| 14:09.39 | End | no |
| 14:09.41 | Mikk2 | oh |
| 14:09.41 | End | 1.10.2 now |
| 14:09.56 | Mikk2 | I've got Lua up on my debian box now |
| 14:10.05 | Mikk2 | Might be able to tell if there's a parser problem |
| 14:10.17 | AnduinLothar | oh mikk... Sky can send lua tables O.o |
| 14:10.20 | AnduinLothar | ;) |
| 14:10.24 | Mikk2 | haha |
| 14:10.29 | Mikk2 | yea yea i suk =) |
| 14:10.42 | AnduinLothar | serializes them and reconstructs them for you |
| 14:10.43 | zenzio | if I didn't know better I'd say AL is trying to push Sky on Mikk :-o |
| 14:10.49 | Mikk2 | orly? =) |
| 14:11.37 | End | well |
| 14:11.53 | Mikk2 | 1. I shouldn't check for wow.exe |
| 14:12.00 | End | it looks like UIDropDownMenu_GetSelectedID is returning a nil value |
| 14:12.07 | End | no you shouldn't |
| 14:12.12 | End | I have a blank file called wow.exer |
| 14:12.21 | End | erm, wow.exe |
| 14:12.30 | Mikk2 | Suggestions on a sane file to check for? |
| 14:12.43 | Mikk2 | I'd check for directories if Lua knew how to do that |
| 14:13.12 | zenzio | check for where? |
| 14:13.32 | Mikk2 | Just trying to tell if the luser configured wowbench's path to wow files correctly |
| 14:13.44 | Mikk2 | Except under linux you'll likely only load over the addons and savedvariables |
| 14:14.07 | End | it's a good thing I'm not mounting a drive with WoW installed and using that installation, as you check for all lowercase, and WoW installs with mixed case |
| 14:14.20 | Mikk2 | I'm fixing that. Believe me. |
| 14:14.31 | End | I DISBELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SAY |
| 14:14.37 | Mikk2 | I was thinking that noone would run it under linux since they had wow under windows. |
| 14:14.40 | Mikk2 | I was a fool. |
| 14:14.44 | End | heh |
| 14:14.58 | End | when I'm under windows I'm playing WoW |
| 14:15.01 | Mikk2 | haha |
| 14:15.13 | End | not running a WoW ui emulator :P |
| 14:15.32 | Mikk2 | I actually prefer windows as a desktop/dev environment |
| 14:15.40 | End | I don't :-/ |
| 14:15.49 | Mikk2 | But I'm thoroughly unhappy if I don't have a linux box next to it that I can X and SSH to |
| 14:17.17 | Thrae | Hmmm, WoWBench can't handle Ace 1.3.1. |
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| 14:18.37 | Thrae | Ahhh, it just doesn't like XML. There's no XML handling yet? |
| 14:20.00 | Mikk2 | Huh? It has a full XML handler. |
| 14:20.09 | Mikk2 | It even parses Ace |
| 14:20.16 | Mikk2 | I've tried |
| 14:20.18 | Thrae | Weird, it gave api.lua:292: No such object type: frame |
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| 14:20.34 | Mikk2 | Well, it should probably read "Frame" |
| 14:21.01 | Mikk2 | That's a createframe call? |
| 14:21.07 | Thrae | Do I need to extract FrameXML from the MPQ or can I use the pack given my Blizzard? |
| 14:21.12 | Thrae | s/my/by/. |
| 14:21.15 | Mikk2 | It's the same |
| 14:21.24 | Mikk2 | The interface tool thingy extracts it from the MPQ, no? |
| 14:21.37 | End | it needs to be extracted either way |
| 14:21.40 | Mikk2 | Aye |
| 14:21.55 | Mikk2 | I'm so not implementing an MPQ reader =) |
| 14:22.12 | End | pff |
| 14:22.40 | Thrae | Well the XML calls CreateFrame, yeah |
| 14:23.13 | Mikk2 | Two ways to fix it: Fix the xml to call CreateFrame("Frame") rather than "frame", or fix my CreateFrame emulator to be more lenient |
| 14:23.47 | End | oh, grumble |
| 14:24.03 | Thrae | Ah you're right, AceEvent.lua uses frame = CreateFrame("frame") |
| 14:24.19 | Thrae | Your handy stack flow showed the problem nicely. |
| 14:24.46 | Mikk2 | Hrms... It Just Works(tm) for me under linux after fixing the tmp dir problem |
| 14:24.57 | Mikk2 | Well except it's getting stuck on running OnLoads and Scripts right now it seems |
| 14:25.13 | zenzio | "[1. General] [...]: what level do hunters get the Dire Maul Teleport spell?" o_O |
| 14:25.23 | Mikk2 | hahahahaha |
| 14:25.39 | Mikk2 | Haven't blizzard fixed that exploit yet? |
| 14:25.48 | zenzio | believe they have |
| 14:25.48 | Thrae | Mikk2: How do you handle dependencies? wowbench.lua dependency modname ? |
| 14:25.53 | Mikk2 | Not |
| 14:25.54 | Cide | doubt they have |
| 14:26.00 | Thrae | What exploit? |
| 14:26.07 | Cide | they probably just banned the users |
| 14:26.08 | Mikk2 | Please input dependencies in the correct order on the command line =) |
| 14:26.21 | Mikk2 | Thrae: lvl40something hunters teleporting around in Dire Maul |
| 14:26.33 | Mikk2 | The reason that major mana/health pots now go for <1g each |
| 14:26.41 | Thrae | Haha. |
| 14:26.42 | zenzio | Cide: that is a possibility, but I wouldn't quite count on it... Foror prices are back to normal on my server since some patch |
| 14:26.45 | Mikk2 | And that the Foror's Compendium costs 200g |
| 14:27.00 | Cide | maybe |
| 14:27.06 | Thrae | Well, off to work I go! |
| 14:27.11 | Cide | but it started to go downa fter they banned a whole bunch of cheaters |
| 14:27.20 | Mikk2 | Well, that's what it looked like before I dove into wowbench a month ago anyway |
| 14:27.25 | Cide | s/downa /down a/ |
| 14:27.27 | Mikk2 | Haven't even logged on after that |
| 14:28.02 | Mikk2 | Cide, can you mail me your lua parser? |
| 14:28.07 | zenzio | everything they farmed are back to normal prices on my server at least =) |
| 14:28.11 | Mikk2 | I CANNOT reproduce the "error in error handling" thing you're getting |
| 14:28.12 | Cide | I have a lua parser? |
| 14:28.17 | Cide | :) |
| 14:28.22 | Mikk2 | lua.exe + lua.dll |
| 14:28.33 | Cide | it was fixed when creating the tmp folder though |
| 14:28.45 | Mikk2 | Yeah, but I reproduced the lack of a tmp folder |
| 14:28.52 | Mikk2 | I was not getting "error in error handling" |
| 14:28.56 | Cide | hm, oh well |
| 14:28.58 | Mikk2 | I was just getting a nice friendly error pointing at utils.lua |
| 14:29.00 | Cide | can you accept DCC? |
| 14:29.05 | Mikk2 | Aeuhhh |
| 14:29.11 | Mikk2 | Probably not |
| 14:29.22 | Cide | PM me your mail, then :) |
| 14:29.33 | Mikk2 | The one you got wowbench from? =) |
| 14:29.38 | Cide | ah, I guess! |
| 14:31.11 | Mikk2 | s/./ and wonders how smart purl is./ |
| 14:31.40 | Cide | ok, sent :) |
| 14:31.43 | Mikk2 | Thanks |
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| 14:35.39 | End | Mikk2: toc files need directory seperator fixups |
| 14:35.58 | Mikk2 | Ah, thanks. |
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| 14:37.10 | End | hrm |
| 14:37.11 | End | attempt to call method `OnLoad' (a nil value) |
| 14:37.13 | Miravlix | Hey Zenzio, Zows Ze Ziness? |
| 14:37.22 | zenzio | :-p |
| 14:37.35 | zenzio | just looked like you were having some sort of trouble |
| 14:37.44 | Miravlix | What changing x-chats layout, bloody thing needs restart and I couldn't decide on what would be best |
| 14:37.46 | Mikk2 | Fixed tocfile slashes |
| 14:37.57 | Mikk2 | elseif(string.find(lin,"%.lua$")) then |
| 14:37.57 | Mikk2 | tinsert(aFiles, string.gsub(lin, "[\\/]+", "/")); |
| 14:37.58 | Mikk2 | elseif(string.find(lin,".xml$")) then |
| 14:37.58 | Mikk2 | tinsert(aFiles, string.gsub(lin, "[\\/]+", "/")); |
| 14:38.12 | Mikk2 | What object doesn't have an OnLoad? |
| 14:38.39 | Maldivia | Miravlix: change the layout, and then start another xchat to test it with - when you've found the right layout, restart the current one :) |
| 14:39.01 | Mikk2 | Or uhm |
| 14:39.02 | End | I just realized it's an actual lua OnLoad function (duh), but I dunno why it is getting it |
| 14:39.06 | Miravlix | I can't restart x-chat |
| 14:39.08 | Miravlix | it hangs |
| 14:39.12 | End | er, isn't getting it |
| 14:39.18 | Miravlix | Have to kill it with the manager |
| 14:39.36 | Mikk2 | Probably has to do with code load order |
| 14:39.57 | Mikk2 | I'm not 100% certain I'm doing everything in the same order as Blizzard |
| 14:40.02 | Miravlix | Well, it's pointless anyway, in a few days I will be back to irssi on a dedicated server instead of this. |
| 14:40.03 | Mikk2 | It works for stuff I've tested with but ... |
| 14:43.53 | Mikk2 | End: Are you also having a problem with GetCVar() looping forever? |
| 14:45.07 | End | Mikk2: no |
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| 14:46.58 | End | huh... |
| 14:48.38 | End | I have a theory. |
| 14:49.16 | Mikk2 | I need to l2code? =) |
| 14:49.28 | End | no, you are clearing something you apparently shouldn't |
| 14:51.50 | Mikk2 | yeah ok i'm getting "error in error handling" under linux |
| 14:52.22 | Mikk2 | now i can at least troubleshoot |
| 14:59.24 | End | hrm |
| 15:03.01 | Kalroth | morning Cairenn, you're up early |
| 15:05.06 | Cairenn | morning Kalroth, no, not really, this is more or less my usual timing |
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| 15:05.17 | Kalroth | oh |
| 15:05.30 | Kalroth | I blame Ratbert then! |
| 15:05.34 | Cairenn | heh |
| 15:08.22 | Abenadi | How do I use metrognome in my mod? Do I put the lua file in the folder or copy/paste the code into my lua file? What is the syntax for sending it my function? |
| 15:08.31 | End | Mikk2: changed the problem |
| 15:09.35 | End | Mikk2: when blizzard creates a frame, and a table by that name exists, it "adds" to it (and effectively replaces), instead of replacing the entire table itself |
| 15:10.05 | End | (and it appears my code requires that behavior) |
| 15:10.13 | End | (oh wait) |
| 15:10.19 | End | (is that a virtual frame?) |
| 15:10.48 | End | I could be wrong |
| 15:10.58 | End | maybe it does replace |
| 15:11.17 | End | in which case, it appears you are putting virtual frames in the global scope |
| 15:11.26 | Mikk2 | hm no |
| 15:11.29 | Mikk2 | or |
| 15:11.37 | Mikk2 | Yeah I might be doing that |
| 15:11.48 | Mikk2 | Virtual, correctly named frames |
| 15:11.55 | Mikk2 | "$parentFoo" ones just live in a table tho |
| 15:11.56 | End | I'm guessing the second one |
| 15:11.59 | End | yeah |
| 15:12.22 | Mikk2 | I wonder if anything actually REQUIRES them to live in global scope tho |
| 15:12.31 | Mikk2 | Could probably just make it stop doing it |
| 15:12.57 | Mikk2 | Except atm I'm trying to fix the debugger error |
| 15:14.30 | End | what the hell |
| 15:14.31 | Mikk2 | The code is in WOWB_ParseXML_FixObjectName() |
| 15:14.44 | End | arg |
| 15:14.57 | Mikk2 | You'd want to look at o[0].virtual to not create the object |
| 15:15.16 | End | :GetName() is returning the name of the virtual frame! |
| 15:15.40 | Wobin | Abenadi: You put the lua in your folder and reference it in your toc, have a look at the wiki page on how to use the functionality |
| 15:15.56 | Mikk2 | Wtf I need a copy of the code you're smoking |
| 15:16.14 | End | lol |
| 15:16.31 | End | oh |
| 15:16.33 | End | same issue |
| 15:16.42 | Mikk2 | Ah |
| 15:16.45 | End | virtual frames can't be globals |
| 15:16.51 | Abenadi | Wobin: Link? I can't find the wiki |
| 15:17.09 | Wobin | hm one sec |
| 15:17.16 | Mikk2 | xmlparse.lua: 293: if((o[0].noglobal or "false")=="false" and (o[0].virtual or "false")=="false") then |
| 15:17.26 | Mikk2 | should fix it |
| 15:17.26 | Mikk2 | i hope |
| 15:17.43 | Mikk2 | unless i rely on them existing in global scope somewhere of course |
| 15:17.49 | Wobin | http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/Metrognome_Embedded_Library_Methods |
| 15:17.54 | Abenadi | thanks |
| 15:17.56 | Mikk2 | i'll just try to fix the debugger and then i'll be all over it myself |
| 15:17.57 | Wobin | np |
| 15:19.02 | End | doh doh doh |
| 15:19.10 | End | I just extracted over my existing copy of wowbench |
| 15:19.16 | End | to revert some changes |
| 15:19.28 | End | but...I forgot about the changes to debugger.lua and config.lua I made |
| 15:19.49 | Mikk2 | owie. i need to name it "config-dist.lua" |
| 15:19.55 | Mikk2 | overwriting people's configs is Bad. |
| 15:20.23 | End | hey, I'm not getting that debugging error anymore |
| 15:20.33 | Mikk2 | i am =) |
| 15:20.43 | End | it magically vanished o_O |
| 15:21.10 | Mikk2 | The funny thing is... I'm using Lua 5.0.2 under windows. And Cide is using Lua 5.0.2 under windows. Exact same version statement and everything. |
| 15:21.36 | Mikk2 | The only visible change is that my .exe is 20kb and the .dll is fairly large. While Cide's files are about equally large (same total size) |
| 15:21.43 | Mikk2 | And that Cide gets "error in error handling" and I don't |
| 15:22.24 | Mikk2 | ohwait |
| 15:22.27 | Mikk2 | <-- st00pid |
| 15:22.37 | Mikk2 | i'm assuming that there's a global "errlog" file that's open and writable |
| 15:22.37 | Abenadi | Wobin: do i also put the lib folder and file it contains in my AddOn's folder? |
| 15:22.50 | Mikk2 | and it lives in "tmp" >.< |
| 15:23.19 | Wobin | It's not necessary, as long as you reference MetrognomeLib.lua in your toc |
| 15:23.27 | Wobin | (reference wherever it is you put it) |
| 15:23.59 | Abenadi | ok so i can put them both in the 'root' of my addon |
| 15:24.06 | Abenadi | and reference them both by name |
| 15:24.25 | End | Mikk2: it worked |
| 15:24.28 | Abenadi | errr |
| 15:24.34 | Abenadi | i just noticed one of them is a .toc |
| 15:24.34 | End | I can now load that particular addon now |
| 15:24.41 | Mikk2 | Ah nice |
| 15:24.57 | Abenadi | so I use my own .toc and just reference the lua file |
| 15:34.38 | Mikk2 | Because they're direct copies of XML input |
| 15:35.01 | Mikk2 | Most everything in [0] is |
| 15:35.54 | Mikk2 | I should probably introduce XML data type parsers but ... Beh. |
| 15:36.07 | Mikk2 | It took me just over a week to throw the whole thing together |
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| 15:39.13 | Wobin | Abenadi: aye |
| 15:40.31 | Cairenn | out for most of the afternoon, have to pick daughter up from school and take her to an ortho appointment |
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| 15:57.08 | Mikk2 | Does http://81.233.236.26/ work for people here? (It works for me but my home network is segmented into four firewall zones and there's a rats nest of port mappings and shit in the fw conf, and I haven't actually used the web server since I moved 2 years ago) |
| 15:57.31 | Gryphen | 58435 wowbench-1.10.2.a1.zip |
| 15:57.33 | Mikk2 | thanks |
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| 16:04.55 | Wobin | What is wowbench? |
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| 16:05.35 | Mikk2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench |
| 16:06.11 | Mikk2 | Aight. Latest patch now up on http://81.233.236.26/ - Version history on http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench/To_do |
| 16:06.32 | kaso | oh man why didnt anyone ever tell me about this program before! |
| 16:06.40 | Mikk2 | cos i just made it |
| 16:06.43 | kaso | ah |
| 16:06.46 | kaso | it owns |
| 16:07.00 | Mikk2 | well ok it's been rotting on my hard drive for the past 3 weeks while i was turning wowwiki upside down |
| 16:07.05 | kaso | well the idea does at least |
| 16:07.56 | Mikk2 | (Oh, and it's properly BSD licensed to "the WoWBench developer community" now ;)) |
| 16:08.28 | Mikk2 | End: Current zip does NOT overwrite your config.lua =) |
| 16:08.36 | End | Mikk2: cool, thanks |
| 16:08.52 | End | I probably wouldn't make the same mistake twice |
| 16:08.52 | Mikk2 | ;) |
| 16:08.57 | End | actually, come to think of it, I probably would make the same mistake twice |
| 16:10.02 | Wobin | Wow, Mikk |
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| 16:29.59 | Wobin | Mikk2: ERROR: xmlparse.lua:496: attempt to index global `WOWB_XMLTagInfo' (a nil value) |
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| 16:33.25 | Wobin | PS, what's world.toc? |
| 16:33.53 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252) |
| 16:35.10 | Tem | a druid wouldn't bid on a Staff of the Shadow Flame, right? |
| 16:38.01 | Mikk2 | Wobin: Shit, I didn't include it? |
| 16:38.07 | Mikk2 | Ok, putting up new version |
| 16:38.07 | Wobin | no =( |
| 16:38.18 | Wobin | Tem: That would seem silly |
| 16:38.31 | Tem | please explain why? |
| 16:38.39 | Wobin | Unless they were trying to skill up on their staff skill |
| 16:38.45 | Tem | I need a good argument when I say druids can't bid |
| 16:38.48 | Wobin | Cause, like.. total hunter weapon there |
| 16:38.58 | Tem | are you smoking? |
| 16:39.11 | Tem | if I were younger, I'd have wet dreams about that staff as a mage |
| 16:39.20 | Wobin | Actually |
| 16:39.23 | Wobin | I dunno |
| 16:39.39 | Wobin | Stam, int and spirit |
| 16:39.40 | Mikk2 | Fixed version up |
| 16:39.47 | Wobin | plus the bonuses |
| 16:39.59 | Mikk2 | world.toc is .. well.. that's where I define objects and players and NPCs in the game world |
| 16:40.25 | Mikk2 | I just thought it'd be nifty to use already-existing functinonality to make it easier to configure rather than just hardcode everything |
| 16:41.05 | Mikk2 | (come to think of it, you can create a bloody mini-mud by just modifying world.xml) |
| 16:41.15 | Mikk2 | (whyever you'd want to do that) |
| 16:41.22 | Wobin | Tem: Damage and healing pretty much should make it available to healers |
| 16:41.52 | Tem | I hate that there is no +damage only items |
| 16:42.00 | Tem | because it makes healers think they can bid on my gear |
| 16:42.10 | Mikk2 | There's better options for healers though |
| 16:42.12 | Mikk2 | Maces |
| 16:42.13 | Tem | right |
| 16:42.18 | Tem | like that sick, sick mace |
| 16:42.22 | Mikk2 | Aye |
| 16:42.34 | Tem | (we call it the buttplug. If you're wondering why, go look at a screenshot of the model) |
| 16:43.29 | Tem | (back in the days of link spoofing, I made a [Lok'amir il Romathis, Buttplug of Nefarius] link) |
| 16:43.35 | Mikk2 | hahaha |
| 16:43.45 | Tem | it was awesome |
| 16:43.57 | Wobin | My guildie suggests ranking should go warlocks then mages |
| 16:44.09 | Tem | your guildie sounds like a warlock |
| 16:44.14 | Wobin | cause you're right, there are much better healer staves |
| 16:44.19 | Wobin | yes he is =) |
| 16:44.21 | Wobin | And a mage |
| 16:44.43 | Tem | well, the first one we get is going to a mage |
| 16:44.46 | Wobin | I still see druids as support though |
| 16:44.48 | kaso | the item-spoofing protection thing confuses me, because sometimes ive seen links which are just [] and yet they dont dc you |
| 16:45.04 | Wobin | kaso: Well they're valid links... just using encoding you can't see |
| 16:45.09 | Tem | exactly |
| 16:45.13 | Wobin | like chinese characters or something, I believe |
| 16:45.28 | kaso | hmm |
| 16:45.36 | Tem | currently I have the most O-Caster dkp, but I intend to pass on the Shadow Flame to a mage who is still wearing a rod of the ogre magi |
| 16:45.49 | Tem | (and then ninja the crap out of NW robes) |
| 16:45.54 | Mikk2 | That'd be the sane thing to do yes |
| 16:46.02 | Mikk2 | Best upgrade for a single person = best raid performance increase |
| 16:46.07 | Mikk2 | Too bad not everyone thinks like that |
| 16:46.13 | Tem | we currently have a problem in the guild with people being dickheads about items |
| 16:46.29 | Wobin | lootdrama |
| 16:46.29 | Mikk2 | Who doesn't? =) |
| 16:46.30 | Wobin | ERROR: api.lua:49: setglobal(): invalid variable name "Murloc Warrior" |
| 16:46.42 | Mikk2 | Hey, I fixed that |
| 16:46.53 | Mikk2 | Long time ago |
| 16:46.55 | Tem | and by dickheads I mean taking small upgrades (t1 -> t2) or sidegrades when others are still in blues |
| 16:47.10 | Tem | for example, we had a claw of chromaggus drop last night |
| 16:47.25 | Tem | a warlock won it |
| 16:47.32 | Mikk2 | Our loot system now allows people in T1 upgrade to T2 for only the DKP difference cost. But anyone wishing to pay full (or HAVING to pay full), gets priority |
| 16:47.34 | Mikk2 | It helps |
| 16:47.56 | Tem | said warlock already had a staff of dominance and a mageblade |
| 16:48.01 | Mikk2 | BOTH?! |
| 16:48.01 | Wobin | Kind of like our education system =) |
| 16:48.07 | Tem | aye |
| 16:48.11 | Mikk2 | He needs to be kicked out of the guild imo |
| 16:48.12 | Tain | I like free for all. Anyone who has the points and can use an item can bid. |
| 16:48.19 | Tem | the next highest bid was the mage with a blue staff |
| 16:48.20 | Wobin | What. he was going to hold all three at the same time? =P |
| 16:48.23 | Tain | It makes for much more entertaining drama to watch. |
| 16:48.38 | Tem | oh, here's the best part |
| 16:48.44 | Tain | Guilds exist for my amusement. |
| 16:48.49 | Wobin | He then DE's it? =P |
| 16:48.55 | Tem | he won the mageblade over the same blue-wearing mage |
| 16:49.02 | Wobin | Ow |
| 16:49.03 | Tem | (when he already had the SoD) |
| 16:49.07 | Wobin | Oh, that really hurts |
| 16:49.11 | Tem | I'm pissed |
| 16:49.15 | Wobin | I'd be fuming |
| 16:49.21 | Tem | the other officers are like "chill out man, it's just loot" |
| 16:49.27 | Tem | and that pisses me off more |
| 16:49.36 | Mikk2 | This warlock would be an officer then? |
| 16:49.40 | Tem | no |
| 16:49.44 | Tem | I'm an officer |
| 16:49.47 | Mikk2 | Ah |
| 16:49.56 | Tem | the only O caster officer |
| 16:50.14 | Tem | the rest are warriors/ hunters who think mages are overpowered |
| 16:50.20 | Mikk2 | MAGES? |
| 16:50.24 | Abenadi | personally, I think T1->T2 should be a higher priority than someone going blues->T2 if the T1 guy has more points. Otherwise you are going to lose the T1 guy and end up with another guy in blues to replace him |
| 16:50.28 | Mikk2 | Mages are bloody pathetic in PvE |
| 16:50.42 | Tem | tell that to our MT |
| 16:50.48 | Tain | At least the people I've always played with don't actually believe that about classes. Sure we all make fun of different classes. |
| 16:50.49 | Tem | he laughs in my face when I try |
| 16:51.02 | Tem | Abenadi, you must spread the love |
| 16:51.22 | Mikk2 | Abenadi: Our system allows both. You can pay full if you want to. But if you want to be nice and pass for t0->t2 upgrades, you can buy cheap next time. |
| 16:51.24 | Tem | it's best for the raid to gear up everyone equally |
| 16:51.32 | Abenadi | we just do straight bidding and nobody complains |
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| 16:51.42 | Tem | we do straight bidding and we HATE it |
| 16:51.51 | Tem | (where the second we is all the mages) |
| 16:52.02 | Tain | It's good to gear everyone up equally as long as people who are there more often are weighted more. |
| 16:52.02 | Tem | (minus one mage who isn't much of a team player) |
| 16:52.06 | Mikk2 | Wobin: What lua version are you using? And under what OS? |
| 16:52.15 | Wobin | ah. lemme check |
| 16:52.23 | Abenadi | I'm not sure what the problem is, most of our guild is so geared already that new recruits are in T2 in a month |
| 16:52.26 | Wobin | 5.0.2 |
| 16:52.30 | Wobin | WinXP |
| 16:52.31 | Mikk2 | That's right then |
| 16:52.40 | Tem | Abenadi, we killed nef for the first time on Sunday |
| 16:52.44 | Mikk2 | I'll actually try extracting that zip to a fresh directory =) |
| 16:52.48 | Tem | this is new gear for everyone |
| 16:52.59 | Tem | oh, that's the other recent one that's got my ire |
| 16:53.06 | Tem | NW shoulders dropped last week |
| 16:53.30 | Tem | all the mages in the raid were wearing the ZG shoulders or worse since Arcanist has only dropped twice in 7 months |
| 16:53.43 | Abenadi | I know if I was in a guild for a long time that barely killed Nef, I would want the ability to use my points to go from my tier1 to tier2, before someone in blues with less points and less experience |
| 16:53.45 | Tain | That's one of the problems though, loot is mostly about timing. Sure it's a big deal today, the same item won't be a big deal a month from now. |
| 16:53.47 | Mikk2 | Wobin: hah, i'm getting the same error. must have missed something else. |
| 16:53.51 | Mikk2 | I'm on it =) |
| 16:53.56 | Wobin | Woot =) |
| 16:54.04 | Tem | the mage that took the shoulders already had a ZG enchanted Mantle of the Blackwing Cabal |
| 16:54.31 | Tain | See that's where I feel if you don't want the Mage to take them you have to put a system in place that makes it difficult. |
| 16:54.31 | Tem | (I wasn't there to out bid him) |
| 16:54.34 | Tem | ( /cry) |
| 16:54.35 | Abenadi | that just sounds like your mage is dumb : P |
| 16:54.46 | Tain | You can't simply allow people to do whatever they want if you're going to get upset when they do it. |
| 16:55.11 | Tem | Tain, I would very much like to, but I get tons of resistance when I try to say something |
| 16:55.15 | Tem | it's very frustrating |
| 16:55.33 | Tain | You can't trust everyone in the guild to make the best decisions for the guild. As much as it would be so much easier if everyone did. |
| 16:55.53 | Tain | People take loot that has absolutely no purpose to them other than to be able to say, "I have this!" |
| 16:56.53 | Tain | On the other hand I'm a dick and would bid on an item that I didn't need if it meant I took it away from someone I didn't like. |
| 16:57.08 | Tem | <sarcasm> I want NW shoulders just because they look cool. The outrageously huge upgrade it would be for me means nothing. I can't wait to have "gank me" balls floating over my shoulders in pvp. </sarcasm> |
| 16:57.33 | Tem | Tain, lol |
| 16:58.20 | Tem | wtf? actual work to be done around here? |
| 16:58.35 | Tain | There's 5-6 of us that have own own channel and all we do all night is make fun of the guild. |
| 16:59.12 | Tain | It's a necessary outlet though, if it wasn't there I'd say things in guildchat instead and that wouldn't go over well. |
| 16:59.22 | Mikk2 | Wobin: Doh, a bugfix caused a bug. Classic =) .a2 is up |
| 16:59.33 | Wobin | hehe Brilliant =) |
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| 17:04.10 | Wobin | Not sure if it's relevant... but: ERROR: BlizzardInterface/FrameXML/UIOptionsFrame.lua:245: attempt to concatenate |
| 17:04.10 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.34 | Mikk2 | Um |
| 17:07.42 | Mikk2 | Are you using PTR FrameXML? |
| 17:07.49 | Wobin | no |
| 17:08.02 | Mikk2 | Then it Should Just Work |
| 17:08.07 | Wobin | I... don't think so =) |
| 17:08.30 | Mikk2 | Loading any addons or just framexml? |
| 17:08.38 | Wobin | an addon |
| 17:08.43 | Mikk2 | Ah |
| 17:08.56 | Mikk2 | On a sidenote, that line is a blank line in my framexml o.O |
| 17:09.17 | Mikk2 | I must have 1.10.1 >.< |
| 17:09.49 | Wobin | if ( OptionsFrame.GXRestart ) then |
| 17:09.49 | Wobin | RestartGx(); |
| 17:09.49 | Wobin | end |
| 17:09.56 | Wobin | for me |
| 17:10.04 | Cide | that's not even a concatenation though |
| 17:10.47 | Mikk2 | UIOptionsFrameClickCameraDropDown.tooltip = getglobal("OPTION_TOOLTIP_CLICK_CAMERA"..UIDropDownMenu_GetSelectedID(UIOptionsFrameClickCameraDropDown)); |
| 17:10.51 | Mikk2 | That's my 245 now |
| 17:11.06 | Cide | UIDropDownMenu_GetSelectedID is probably undefined then |
| 17:11.08 | Wobin | oh sorry, I was looking at the wrong file |
| 17:11.30 | Mikk2 | Hmmmmmmmmm I remember End saying something about a UIDropDownMenu_GetSelectedID() returning nil |
| 17:11.35 | Mikk2 | But he fixed it |
| 17:11.44 | Industrial | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/interface/001-060615.png |
| 17:11.47 | Industrial | Wutcha think? |
| 17:13.00 | Mikk2 | Industrial: Where's the party member pets? =) |
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| 17:13.09 | Wobin | Industrial: Those are tiny buttons |
| 17:13.24 | Industrial | Mikk2: screw em! |
| 17:13.33 | Industrial | Wobin: those are dubuffs and buffs |
| 17:13.42 | Wobin | oh |
| 17:13.52 | Industrial | the one under the xp/castingbar are the actionbuttons :) |
| 17:14.01 | Wobin | It just looks very busy |
| 17:14.13 | Industrial | yea, stupid party :> |
| 17:14.15 | Wobin | of course they're hardly going to all be full |
| 17:14.20 | Industrial | yeah |
| 17:14.25 | Industrial | this is max |
| 17:14.41 | Industrial | now the hard part |
| 17:14.43 | Industrial | making it |
| 17:14.44 | Industrial | xD |
| 17:14.57 | Mikk2 | Wobin: What mod are you having problems with? (I'm running vanilla 1.10.2 now and it's not giving me grief) |
| 17:15.19 | Wobin | I'm just running one of my addons in it |
| 17:15.55 | Mikk2 | I seem to remember End saying that it was because I was registering virtual objects in the global namespace |
| 17:15.57 | Mikk2 | But i fixed that |
| 17:16.17 | Kaso | anyone heard of a bug where the Joined Channel: messages spam 2 or 3 times, and if so what addon is causing it? |
| 17:16.41 | Mikk2 | Wouldn't surprise me if it was something that hooks the message in all ChatWindows and then spews it out in DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME |
| 17:17.01 | Mikk2 | I.e. you'd get it anywhere between 1 and 7 times =) |
| 17:17.09 | Kaso | yeh |
| 17:17.29 | Kaso | just tracking down which bugger is doing it is the problem |
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| 17:20.59 | Kirkburn | Odd, I'm watching The Sims machinima on an MTV channel |
| 17:22.04 | Kirkburn | I think it was a music video |
| 17:22.48 | Wobin | I saw one for "If I were Gay" |
| 17:23.09 | Wobin | I much prefer WoW machanima |
| 17:23.25 | Wobin | Did you see the one made by the taiwanese guy? |
| 17:23.54 | Kirkburn | The crazy anime-type one? |
| 17:24.11 | Kaso | Kirkburn: you know more about wowwiki than me, User:Polymorphmebaby is still being updated with copy paste crap from Burning Crusade, whats the correct thing for me to do here? |
| 17:25.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Ugh, the professions API is indeed a mess |
| 17:25.40 | Kirkburn | Weird stuff! I'll delete it and place a note on his user page |
| 17:25.43 | Wobin | Kirkburn: Not really... just really really well put together. Lemme grab it |
| 17:26.33 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nvu1KK1DPQ |
| 17:29.32 | Kirkburn | (Kaso, I wrote a little note on the page) |
| 17:29.43 | Kaso | cool. |
| 17:29.56 | Kirkburn | So, the crazy anime vid then, Wobin :P I didn't say it was bad! |
| 17:30.07 | Wobin | It's not really animie =P |
| 17:30.15 | Wobin | any more than WoW is anime =P |
| 17:30.31 | Kirkburn | heh, true |
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| 17:31.27 | Mikk2 | You do realize that there's WoW Anime don't you? |
| 17:31.30 | Mikk2 | Err |
| 17:31.31 | Mikk2 | My badf |
| 17:31.34 | Mikk2 | WoW Manga |
| 17:31.53 | Kirkburn | Sunwell Trilogy? |
| 17:32.00 | Mikk2 | Myeah that's it innit |
| 17:32.15 | Mikk2 | Either way it was irrelevant |
| 17:32.22 | Kirkburn | I still haven't got around to getting any of the books, keep meaning to |
| 17:32.30 | Mikk2 | I cba. I code =) |
| 17:33.09 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 17:34.59 | Kaso | I have a mac keyboard on my PC when i first started learning lua it took me a day to work out where the ~ key was supposed to be |
| 17:35.07 | Kirkburn | heh ... isn't that 'not equal to'? |
| 17:35.15 | Mikk2 | Yea |
| 17:35.29 | Kirkburn | Whereas most normal people would think it means 'approx equal to' |
| 17:35.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 17:35.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm about to contribute info to WoWWiki |
| 17:35.41 | Mikk2 | pwnd |
| 17:35.52 | Kirkburn | zomg? |
| 17:36.03 | Mikk2 | <-- says the guy with 3000 edits |
| 17:36.22 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 17:36.33 | ScytheBlade1 | The Crafting functions... most all of them are missing everything |
| 17:36.34 | Kaso | What glorius nugget of infomation is about to be enetered into our comunal knowedge base, dont leave me in suspense! |
| 17:36.40 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's all simple stuff |
| 17:36.49 | Kirkburn | Yeah, what are you gonna eneter? |
| 17:37.04 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 17:37.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm working on an addon that'll export all current crafting info |
| 17:37.14 | ScytheBlade1 | To do that, I have to have documented API functions ;) |
| 17:37.15 | Kirkburn | Ooh |
| 17:38.27 | Kaso | why does enchanting still use craft instead of tradeskill anyway |
| 17:38.33 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:38.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Possibly, Mikk2, if it pisses me off enough ;) |
| 17:38.45 | Kirkburn | Kaso, what do you mean exactly? |
| 17:38.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso, I dunno. I'd KILL for it to use the new one. |
| 17:39.02 | JoshBorke | blah, i hate broken addons :-( |
| 17:39.13 | JoshBorke | especially when it's one I wrote |
| 17:39.20 | Kirkburn | I know that they are planning improving the enchanting interface |
| 17:39.20 | Mikk2 | Possibly because enchanting is different enough from the rest of the tradeskill functions that it can't work with the tradeskill API set |
| 17:39.24 | ScytheBlade1 | JoshBorke, at least you typically know what broke! |
| 17:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | (Typically) |
| 17:39.36 | JoshBorke | not this time :-( |
| 17:39.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, I've got all of the params for GetCraftReagentInfo() down now |
| 17:39.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Now to... what is this |
| 17:39.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Contribute?! |
| 17:40.54 | Kirkburn | Hehe, nice info from tseric: http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/8720272.htm |
| 17:41.55 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 17:42.11 | Kaso | ha ha |
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| 17:42.27 | Kaso | why would people port to every zone in the game though ? |
| 17:42.40 | Kirkburn | Who the hell knows |
| 17:42.44 | ScytheBlade1 | For a bot, it's not hard |
| 17:43.26 | Kirkburn | I wouldn't have expected level 14 though, bit higher then I expected |
| 17:43.39 | Kirkburn | I suppose you'd get loads of xp for the high level areas though |
| 17:43.50 | End | I detected a level 5 in Silithus once |
| 17:43.58 | End | using track humanoids |
| 17:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Semantics question - would it be TexturePath, texturePath, texturepath, etc.? What's the preferred format? |
| 17:44.14 | Kirkburn | Random ... nothing to do with the opening event? |
| 17:44.36 | Kaso | i've had my level 2 Twilight cultsts sets alt in silithus for the past few months |
| 17:44.43 | Mikk2 | ScytheBlade: texturePath |
| 17:44.56 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 17:46.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, it's actually piss easy to export a list of enchants + required reagents |
| 17:46.27 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't have to have the window open for it to function |
| 17:47.42 | Kaso | you dont? i always thought you did. |
| 17:47.48 | Kaso | thats good to know. |
| 17:48.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah.... never mind |
| 17:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | You do, but... it doesn't have to be the enchating window... |
| 17:48.35 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf... |
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| 17:49.08 | Kaso | how does that work |
| 17:49.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, that's even weirder |
| 17:49.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Open enchanting + ANY other trade skill |
| 17:49.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Close enchanting, it'll work |
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| 17:50.18 | Kirkburn | WTF? http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/8721264.htm :P |
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| 17:50.36 | Kirkburn | hellobyebye |
| 17:51.12 | Kirkburn | grimman's internet must be even more unstable than Shouryuu's, and that's saying something :) |
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| 17:52.59 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetCraftReagentInfo <-- fear |
| 17:53.31 | Kirkburn | Why do you have a 1 after your name? |
| 17:53.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Originality purposes |
| 17:53.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Have you EVER seen ANYONE with a 1 after their name? |
| 17:54.17 | Kirkburn | Never ever in my whole life! |
| 17:54.19 | Mikk2 | Damn. I should have picked "1" =) |
| 17:54.30 | Mikk2 | Hey. It's not too late. |
| 17:54.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:55.09 | End3 | I'm kidding! |
| 17:55.12 | Kirkburn | Nope, never seen someone with a 1 after their name still |
| 17:55.41 | Kirkburn | Weird, freaky people I bet |
| 17:55.51 | ScytheBlade1 | >=) |
| 17:56.26 | Kirkburn | :P Mikk1, what do you think of the sample main page I made? |
| 17:56.38 | Kirkburn | Isn't one of me enough for you?? |
| 17:57.12 | Kaso | {{WoW API}} |
| 17:57.18 | Kaso | miss paste :< |
| 17:58.07 | Mikk1 | NOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 17:58.09 | Mikk1 | Don't use that one! |
| 17:58.19 | Mikk1 | Put {{wowapi}} at the top of the page instead |
| 17:58.36 | Kaso | yeh i was just thinking that that one looks stupid |
| 17:58.45 | Mikk1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:How_to_edit_API_pages |
| 17:58.50 | Kirkburn2 | :-) |
| 18:00.17 | Kirkburn | :(# |
| 18:00.19 | Mikk1 | I think that Main Page Dev 2 is better =) |
| 18:00.29 | Kirkburn | (oops, I gave myself a beard) |
| 18:00.39 | Kirkburn | Why? |
| 18:00.41 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn2 (n=XjzjItMc@151.56.219.207) |
| 18:00.58 | Kirkburn2 | Hello! |
| 18:01.09 | Kirkburn | ??? |
| 18:01.22 | Mikk1 | Omg |
| 18:04.24 | Kirkburn | Lol, I completely forgot that there was this football thing going on ... |
| 18:04.39 | Mikk1 | You're brittish? o.O |
| 18:04.41 | Kirkburn | (England 2 - TaT 0, woot!) |
| 18:04.53 | Josh_Borke | how do i set up externals with SVN? |
| 18:04.58 | Kirkburn | I come from engerlant, ya, ya |
| 18:05.10 | Kaso | ha finally got theyre act together in second half |
| 18:05.15 | Kaso | how long is left/ |
| 18:05.21 | Kirkburn | Finished :) |
| 18:05.36 | Kaso | woot |
| 18:05.41 | Kirkburn | First time we've scored in the second half of a world cup match since 1998 |
| 18:05.41 | Kaso | know who scored? |
| 18:06.03 | Kirkburn | Peter Crouch, Stevern Gerrard |
| 18:06.10 | Kirkburn | Easier: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2006/4853008.stm |
| 18:06.41 | Kaso | thats pretty cool |
| 18:07.21 | Kaso | ha scored at 83 and 90 mins, oh crap guys we're gonna draw, quick score score! |
| 18:07.38 | Kirkburn | :P Hope there's highlights on TV here later |
| 18:07.49 | Kaso | No tv :< |
| 18:07.54 | Mikk1 | TV is overrated |
| 18:08.04 | Mikk1 | #include <rant from last night> |
| 18:08.50 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 18:09.01 | Kaso | I miss tv, but not enough to bother buying a tv licence so, yeh |
| 18:09.47 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 18:10.07 | Josh_Borke | buy a TV license? |
| 18:10.25 | Kirkburn | But that would be giving in! :P |
| 18:10.26 | Kaso | In england you have to pay ~£100 a year to have a TV it pays for the BBC |
| 18:10.31 | Wobin | ... |
| 18:10.42 | Kirkburn | tbh, I don't mind that, I like the BBC |
| 18:10.52 | Kaso | or was that, "a buy a licence, just steal" type statement |
| 18:10.56 | Wobin | That's an interesting way of doing it |
| 18:11.25 | Kaso | bbc are one of the best networks in the world, and you have no adverts, its pretty good imo |
| 18:11.40 | ScytheBlade1 | k, I require food, and a break from my hard, hard work of documenting the stuff you slackers have yet to document. |
| 18:11.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 18:11.41 | ScytheBlade1 | bbs |
| 18:11.43 | Kirkburn | Indeed, it is strange for those not used to it, but it does have excellent benefits, like Kaso mentioned |
| 18:13.06 | Kaso | level 29 was laughably easy... |
| 18:13.06 | Kirkburn | Unfortunately, they block people from outside the UK being able to watch some of their live streams :( |
| 18:13.07 | Kirkburn | Doing the 3D puzzle again? |
| 18:13.26 | Kaso | yeh, got bored, nothing to do on wow :< |
| 18:14.57 | Kaso | spent 20min working on level 28 and then did 29 in 30seconsd |
| 18:16.04 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 18:16.28 | Kirkburn | I want more! |
| 18:22.53 | Josh_Borke | no, it wasn't a steal question :-P |
| 18:26.57 | Wobin | End: You about? |
| 18:30.35 | End | yes |
| 18:34.51 | Ktron|zzz | what's the link to the game? |
| 18:35.02 | End | http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/3dlogic.swf |
| 18:37.39 | Kaso | hmm? |
| 18:38.30 | Mikk1 | Plenty of APIs that want implementing =) |
| 18:39.35 | Kaso | havent got around to even opening the .zip from eariler when i downloaded it i'll take a look at it when i finish level 30 |
| 18:42.45 | Kirkburn | Is that Monty Python I spy? |
| 18:42.46 | Mikk1 | Can someone here recall a list of defaults for Get/SetCVar? Or a way to get defaults in-game? |
| 18:42.52 | Mikk1 | Wobin is being bitten by not having a couple values defined, which in WoWBench means they get returned as nil. WoW itself returns.... something else though. |
| 18:43.20 | Mikk1 | Kirkburn: Nah, just slapping people with pieces of fish in general =) |
| 18:43.42 | Kirkburn | Always fun :) I think our vandal returned briefly, but got bored after three pages |
| 18:43.49 | Mikk1 | Dear lord |
| 18:44.21 | Kirkburn | Amazing originality, covered the pages in "yourmom", called himself "crapstick" ... subtle |
| 18:44.54 | Kaso | Holy crap at the Welcome! spam by tarog :> |
| 18:44.57 | Wobin | rofl |
| 18:45.15 | Wobin | It's hard to find a good quality vandal nowadays |
| 18:45.20 | Wobin | They're usually booked right out |
| 18:45.27 | Mikk1 | We had an ok one yesterday though |
| 18:45.30 | Kirkburn | There's a lot of people to welcome :) I always wonder what they all do though |
| 18:45.32 | Wobin | You have to book months in advance! |
| 18:45.56 | Mikk1 | Kirkburn: Paste a template at user's page. Add it to watchlist. Take it from there =) |
| 18:46.41 | Kirkburn | What would be genius vandalism is to pretend to be doing the Welcome pages, no-one would check! |
| 18:46.52 | Mikk1 | Hahah |
| 18:46.59 | Mikk1 | "You suck. We hate you. GO AWAY." |
| 18:47.35 | Kirkburn | "There are 28,959 registered users, of which 5 (or 0.02%) are administrators" |
| 18:47.43 | Mikk1 | =) |
| 18:47.52 | Kirkburn | "There are 28,726 total pages in the database." |
| 18:47.57 | Kirkburn | See, every page must be a welcome page :P |
| 18:48.00 | Mikk1 | That 0.02% figure feels so meaningful =) |
| 18:48.16 | Kirkburn | 1 of them is a 'test' admin :D Even better ... |
| 18:48.17 | Kaso | how many of those 28k are active though |
| 18:48.32 | Kirkburn | Really active, I'd say only about 20 |
| 18:48.34 | Mikk1 | Lol. Kaso just got welcomed by Fandyllic. |
| 18:48.58 | Kirkburn | Heh, someone should 'welcome' Fandyllic ;) |
| 18:49.01 | Kaso | indeed, i feel so speical. |
| 18:49.18 | Mikk1 | Well, not so much by WHOM. I was more thinking of how long it was since you showed up =) |
| 18:49.26 | Mikk1 | I mean, the guy has even been writing on your talk page =) |
| 18:49.57 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I've seen him do it before :P |
| 18:50.45 | Kirkburn | The actual number of pages of content is about 11,652 |
| 18:50.58 | Kaso | ha, 1/2 a page a user |
| 18:51.07 | Kaso | almost 1/3 really |
| 18:51.43 | Wobin | ... Welcome? |
| 18:51.44 | Kirkburn | Which means there are more "talk" pages, pages about WoWWiki, minimal "stub" pages, redirects, and others that probably don't qualify as content pages than real pages! |
| 18:52.19 | Kirkburn | The standard introduction stuff that gets pasted on every members' talk page |
| 18:52.50 | Mikk1 | The number of stubs went up with a factor of 10 half a year ago tho =) |
| 18:53.26 | Kaso | whats the varible for the Lua version ? |
| 18:53.51 | Kaso | and how do you spell variable ? :> |
| 18:54.00 | Kirkburn | Ah, yes, the infamous Silverside period |
| 18:54.19 | End | _VERSION I think? |
| 18:54.38 | Kaso | ty |
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| 19:05.59 | ScytheBlade1 | How would one reference a table in a table? |
| 19:06.09 | ScytheBlade1 | table["a"]["b"]? |
| 19:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, how would it be assigned? |
| 19:06.14 | Wobin | yes |
| 19:06.15 | Kirkburn | Trivia: who's the guy on the left ... http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/images/reallifeevents/dragonhunt/ss03.jpg |
| 19:06.37 | Wobin | tab["a"]["b"] = "c" |
| 19:06.39 | End | metzen |
| 19:06.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin, k, just checking |
| 19:06.52 | Mikk1 | tab.a.b works also |
| 19:06.54 | Mikk1 | for simple names |
| 19:06.59 | Wobin | you have to check that tab["a"] exists though |
| 19:07.05 | Wobin | before you set tab.a.b |
| 19:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 19:07.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Not an issue |
| 19:07.17 | Kirkburn | End wins for being the only one who cared enough to respond :P |
| 19:07.37 | Wobin | hehe |
| 19:07.40 | Wobin | TEH WINNAR |
| 19:07.42 | Kaso | i've no idea who the scary americans are |
| 19:07.43 | End | :O |
| 19:07.54 | Wobin | So who's on the right? |
| 19:08.02 | Mikk1 | Something Horrible |
| 19:08.04 | End | I have no idea |
| 19:08.14 | Kirkburn | Richard A. Knaak |
| 19:08.41 | Kirkburn | Writer of several WoW books, including the Sunwell Trilogy (afaik) |
| 19:08.50 | End | yeah, that sounds right |
| 19:08.53 | Wobin | And the kid? |
| 19:09.04 | Kirkburn | "One lucky attendee walked away with a copy of the World of Warcraft Collector's Edition!" |
| 19:09.17 | Wobin | hehe |
| 19:09.19 | Kirkburn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/reallifeevents.html |
| 19:09.29 | Wobin | forever branded |
| 19:09.34 | Kaso | Mikk1 where's world.toc hiding? |
| 19:09.48 | Wobin | in the latest upload |
| 19:09.59 | Wobin | or maybe not? |
| 19:10.09 | Kaso | ah no there it is |
| 19:10.19 | Kaso | i had the alpha from lunchtimeish |
| 19:12.31 | Kirkburn | You're so behind the times :O |
| 19:12.57 | Mikk1 | Well, it's the first real-time collision. There's bound to be bugs, and they're bound to get fixed. Fast =) |
| 19:12.58 | Kirkburn | Of course you realise lunchtimeish has no meaning here :P |
| 19:13.33 | Kaso | ofc, then i should say, about 6-8 hours ago |
| 19:14.20 | Kirkburn | Hours have no meaning here ;) |
| 19:14.24 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1, t["a"] is the same as t.a |
| 19:14.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight, yeah I know, thanks :) |
| 19:14.40 | ckknight | okay |
| 19:14.59 | Wobin | Although, you'll have to use [] if your keys have spaces in them |
| 19:15.05 | Kaso | ok then... 700 swatch internet time units ? |
| 19:15.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin, indeed |
| 19:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | So question |
| 19:15.26 | ScytheBlade1 | tab[var] = "blah"; tab[var]["a"] |
| 19:15.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That valid? Assigning a name there to a variable? |
| 19:15.45 | Wobin | not going to work I don't think |
| 19:15.47 | End | you are trying to index "blah" |
| 19:15.51 | Wobin | which isn't a table |
| 19:16.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm trying to think of a good way to do this |
| 19:16.18 | Wobin | what are you trying to do? |
| 19:16.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I want all of the profession info stored in a single table |
| 19:16.24 | Kirkburn | I remember that swatch internet time thing ... it's done so well :P |
| 19:16.35 | Wobin | ~swatch |
| 19:16.36 | purl | The Simple WATCHdog: syslog monitoring utility/daemon.. URL: http://www.stanford.edu/~atkins/swatch/ |
| 19:16.47 | Wobin | =\ |
| 19:16.58 | Wobin | ~google swatch internet time |
| 19:17.06 | Wobin | Bah =) |
| 19:17.25 | End | ~unproductivity |
| 19:17.28 | purl | yay! |
| 19:17.28 | Wobin | So what info have you got to store, ScytheBlade1? |
| 19:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin, I'll pastebin, sec |
| 19:17.46 | Kaso | i remeber when some game i played, a MMORPGG had internet time built into it, i cant rmebe what it was though |
| 19:18.06 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1, tab[var] = {}; tab[var]["a"] would work. |
| 19:18.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wow.pastebin.com/711338 |
| 19:18.18 | Kirkburn | That good, eh, Kaso? :) |
| 19:18.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 19:18.45 | Kaso | it wasnt amazing but i played it for a while |
| 19:18.49 | Mikk1 | You know what I want? I want an in-game lua console that allows me to print() shit into a multline edit window. |
| 19:18.54 | Kaso | cant for the life of me remebever what it was -_- |
| 19:19.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo, yeah that worked, I'm an idiot |
| 19:19.10 | ckknight | :-) |
| 19:19.12 | End | ScytheBlade1: is Craft a string? |
| 19:19.15 | Wobin | http://www.timeanddate.com/time/internettime.html |
| 19:19.15 | ckknight | no rebuttals from here, ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:19.28 | End | (I don't know these silly craft things!) |
| 19:19.33 | ScytheBlade1 | End, I got it working now |
| 19:19.37 | End | okie dokie |
| 19:19.47 | ScytheBlade1 | But yes, Craft is a string.. I replace that first declaration with {} and tada |
| 19:19.48 | Kaso | Phantasy Star Online! thats the bugger! |
| 19:20.07 | End | yeah, I was going to say, you can just leave Craft as the index |
| 19:20.27 | Wobin | And use for i,v in pairs(SB_Export) |
| 19:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | In other news, that works perfectly |
| 19:20.33 | Wobin | where i is the craft name |
| 19:21.06 | Kaso | Mikk1 what shall i do with errors im too lazy to try and fix myself, wack em on the wiki or something? |
| 19:21.15 | Mikk1 | Yup |
| 19:21.23 | Mikk1 | If they're minor |
| 19:21.30 | Mikk1 | If they block you, scream at me here |
| 19:21.40 | End | uh oh |
| 19:21.42 | End | I'm hungry |
| 19:21.43 | End | brb |
| 19:21.51 | Kaso | nah its just ctrl-c in the debugger causes the debugger to bug |
| 19:21.58 | Mikk1 | Haha |
| 19:22.01 | Mikk1 | yea |
| 19:22.09 | Mikk1 | you have to slam ctrl-c a bunch of times to get out |
| 19:22.22 | Mikk1 | been meaning to get around to it =) |
| 19:22.28 | Mikk1 | sounds like wiki material ;) |
| 19:23.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there any limit on how deep you can nest tables? |
| 19:23.28 | Mikk1 | Not afaik |
| 19:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 19:23.35 | Mikk1 | I've been making veeeeery deep ones |
| 19:23.50 | Mikk1 | Actually, it's not a matter of tables being deep at all |
| 19:23.58 | Mikk1 | The subtable exists as its own entity |
| 19:24.04 | Mikk1 | The parent table only has a reference to it |
| 19:24.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo, good |
| 19:24.35 | Mikk1 | You can even even create a child that refers back to the top table |
| 19:24.42 | Mikk1 | It won't hurt anything until you start recursing the table =) |
| 19:24.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I won't be :) |
| 19:25.04 | ScytheBlade1 | PHP will be doing that, with a copy of SavedVariables.lua |
| 19:25.22 | ScytheBlade1 | SB_Export[Craft][i]["Reagents"][n]["Name"] = a; |
| 19:25.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ^^ |
| 19:25.54 | Mikk1 | You're going to parse savedvariables with your own code? |
| 19:26.05 | Mikk1 | Or regex it a bit and run it as php? |
| 19:26.09 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 19:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm creating a table in lua/SavedVariables |
| 19:26.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Upload that, use a PHP func I found, that converts lua tables into PHP arrays |
| 19:26.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Tada |
| 19:26.34 | Mikk1 | ahh |
| 19:31.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Hot, it works |
| 19:32.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Now to make sure the saved variables functions as I need it to |
| 19:32.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, so, as I've never, EVER gotten that to work |
| 19:32.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ## SavedVariablesPerCharacter: SB_Export |
| 19:32.24 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.38 | Kaso | yeh |
| 19:32.48 | ScytheBlade1 | local SB_Export = {}; |
| 19:32.48 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | s/<--/^^^/ |
| 19:33.24 | Kaso | hey thats new! |
| 19:33.44 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 19:33.52 | Kaso | umm dont savedvars need to be global? |
| 19:33.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, haha |
| 19:34.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That could do it |
| 19:36.02 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 19:36.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Just replace local with global, or what? |
| 19:36.15 | Kaso | just remove local |
| 19:36.23 | Mikk1 | Fook, I'm dizzy. Logged on to wow for the first time in nearly a month. |
| 19:36.32 | Mikk1 | Got aggroed by a moonkin first thing in a tight cave |
| 19:36.36 | Kaso | lua vars are global unless you speicfy local |
| 19:36.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah k |
| 19:37.22 | ScytheBlade1 | :D |
| 19:37.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It works |
| 19:37.35 | Kaso | lovely |
| 19:38.32 | ScytheBlade1 | How would I completly erase a table? |
| 19:38.41 | Kaso | table = nil |
| 19:38.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Duh. |
| 19:39.03 | Kaso | though it wont be removed from memory till GC so dont do that lots and lots as you can cause problems |
| 19:39.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah that's not a problem, this isn't fired often at all |
| 19:40.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol oops |
| 19:40.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I forgot the enchant name :) |
| 19:41.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a list of all of these reagents... but no enchants to match up with it :) |
| 19:41.42 | Kaso | Mikk1 help |
| 19:42.13 | Kaso | ah wait |
| 19:42.23 | Kaso | never mind think got it |
| 19:43.26 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1: If you're going to be manipulating and deleting and creating a lot of tables, you might want to consider a table pool library like Compost |
| 19:43.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin, I won't be |
| 19:43.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin, this simple takes all of your current crafts in an profession window and throws them in a table |
| 19:45.08 | Wobin | Sigh =( My yahoo account has beocme like my hotmail account |
| 19:45.17 | Wobin | purely a spam depository |
| 19:45.38 | End | I probably haven't checked my yahoo account in years |
| 19:46.04 | End | hmm |
| 19:46.04 | End | 3045 unread messages |
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| 19:46.52 | Kirkburn | poor End |
| 19:47.06 | Mikk1 | Weakling. I get 350 spams a day on my work account. |
| 19:47.35 | End | hmm, it's just over a year since I've checked that mail |
| 19:47.46 | Mikk1 | Then again Yahoo actually has spam filtering doesn't it? |
| 19:47.50 | Mikk1 | That's just the shit that made it past? |
| 19:48.00 | Tem | people still use Yahoo mail? |
| 19:48.01 | End | well |
| 19:48.15 | End | it has a bulk directory |
| 19:48.17 | Tem | gmail > all |
| 19:48.19 | End | most is in there |
| 19:48.41 | End | it only holds a month |
| 19:48.44 | End | in bulk |
| 19:49.53 | End | anyways, for normal non-work email, I do use gmail |
| 19:55.38 | Kaso | this is fun |
| 19:58.43 | Kaso | i remeber when gmail was still an exclusive club |
| 19:59.15 | Wobin | and then everyone got 100 invites to give out |
| 19:59.18 | Wobin | endlessly |
| 19:59.41 | Kaso | they might as well just open plain old registering |
| 19:59.49 | Mikk1 | Nah, it's a marketing gimmick |
| 19:59.53 | Mikk1 | Getting invite makes you feel special |
| 20:00.01 | Mikk1 | And more likely to use it |
| 20:00.22 | Mikk1 | Cynical people see through it, but ... well... the majority of people aren't cynical =) |
| 20:01.38 | Kaso | So Mikk1 |
| 20:02.43 | Kaso | how're planning to work though the api there does seem to be any order to the ones youve done already |
| 20:03.08 | Mikk1 | The order so far has been "Whatever I've needed to load the addons I've used" |
| 20:03.26 | Kaso | doesn't |
| 20:03.29 | Mikk1 | And quite frankly, I'm not going to sit down solo and implement them all. |
| 20:03.32 | Mikk1 | Just ain't happening. |
| 20:03.38 | Mikk1 | Which is why I'm putting it up on sourceforge etc |
| 20:04.14 | Kaso | seems a good plan |
| 20:04.24 | Mikk1 | Who wants committ rights btw? =) |
| 20:06.27 | Mikk1 | Oh, cool, they've OKed my submission |
| 20:06.30 | Kaso | ^_- sourceforge scares me |
| 20:06.35 | Mikk1 | Time to toy with SVN |
| 20:06.41 | Kaso | thats where real programmers live. |
| 20:07.01 | Tain | I thought the real programmers lived in a pineapple under the sea. |
| 20:07.09 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 20:08.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Huh |
| 20:08.41 | ScytheBlade1 | There's no way at all to tell what level an enchant is |
| 20:08.58 | Kaso | skill level you mean? |
| 20:09.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 20:09.23 | Mikk1 | Give up on the addon idea. Parse thottbot.com instead =) |
| 20:09.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 20:09.34 | ScytheBlade1 | It's already complete for Enchanting |
| 20:09.38 | ScytheBlade1 | 100% complete |
| 20:10.00 | Mikk1 | Fook, there's too much to tweak in sourceforge |
| 20:10.10 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wow.pastebin.com/711452 |
| 20:10.11 | Mikk1 | Now I'm just getting stressed |
| 20:10.27 | wereHamster | which media player is better known.. quicktime or vlc? |
| 20:10.32 | Kaso | vlc |
| 20:10.36 | Kaso | <3 vlc |
| 20:10.37 | Mikk1 | quicktime |
| 20:10.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Known? Are you insane? |
| 20:10.38 | ScytheBlade1 | QT |
| 20:10.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Better? VLC |
| 20:10.44 | Mikk1 | agree |
| 20:11.12 | wereHamster | which one is installed on more computers.. |
| 20:11.14 | Kaso | oh |
| 20:11.14 | Mikk1 | QT |
| 20:11.15 | ScytheBlade1 | QT |
| 20:11.17 | Kaso | known |
| 20:11.19 | Kaso | didnt read that |
| 20:11.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Mikk1, take a look at that pastebin ;) |
| 20:11.41 | wereHamster | I think so, too... but people in #mplayerdev think it's vlc.. |
| 20:11.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ..... |
| 20:11.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 20:12.21 | Tain | haha funny Photoshopped road signs http://b3ta.com/challenge/roadsigns/ |
| 20:13.39 | Mikk1 | wereHamster: People in that channel need to go look at the Real World |
| 20:13.50 | Mikk1 | If we're talking about computer savvy "power users" |
| 20:13.50 | Mikk1 | yeah |
| 20:13.51 | Tain | No way Mikk1 I don't watch MTV. |
| 20:13.58 | Mikk1 | VLC is popular with them |
| 20:14.03 | Mikk1 | Joe User has never f-in heard about it |
| 20:14.42 | Tain | Without any actual facts or numbers I'd suggest Media Player Classic may be as well used as VLC. At least on Windows. |
| 20:16.02 | wereHamster | I have a H264 encoded stream with variable framerate.. questions is should I use mp4 or matroska.. I went with mp4 since it's supported by quicktime.. |
| 20:16.39 | Tain | Matroska is not very widely used. |
| 20:16.56 | Tain | I know I always have to go find a codec. |
| 20:17.00 | wereHamster | .. and mplayer can't play my mp4 files since it completely ignires composition timestamps |
| 20:18.10 | wereHamster | you can try yourselves.. http://www.dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/h264-vfr.mp4 ;) |
| 20:18.28 | wereHamster | should be a ~9sec clip |
| 20:19.24 | Tain | Yep plays in vlc! That's all that matters. |
| 20:19.59 | Kaso | i dont think ive ever found something that doesnt play in VLC |
| 20:20.58 | Kaso | that's a nice bar too :> |
| 20:21.27 | Tain | well I've had individual videos I've had trouble with in vlc that I played fine in MPC. They played in VLC but with sync issues. |
| 20:21.58 | End | I've had a few sync issues with vlc, but that's all I can think of |
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| 20:23.03 | Tain | Supremely not safe for work. Don't even look at the link if you're at work. But it's .. art. Sorta. |
| 20:23.03 | Tain | http://community.livejournal.com/wtf_omgz/536586.html |
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| 20:23.58 | Kaso | sorta |
| 20:26.52 | ScytheBlade1 | The new profession API is *much* nicer than the old one, wow |
| 20:27.02 | Kaso | yeh |
| 20:27.13 | Kaso | its annoying you still have to use both |
| 20:27.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I have the old one done and functional |
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| 20:31.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Here's a question |
| 20:31.48 | ScytheBlade1 | How can I tell which trade skill is up? |
| 20:31.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Oddly enough, that's easier with the old API.. |
| 20:33.18 | Kaso | GetTradeSkillLine ? |
| 20:33.29 | Mikk1|c0ffee | Oargh. Scroll to the bottom of the pussy wall page |
| 20:34.25 | Kaso | aww god |
| 20:34.49 | ScytheBlade1 | woot, thanks |
| 20:36.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Bottom of what page? |
| 20:37.13 | Mikk1|c0ffee | the NSFW one |
| 20:37.18 | Mikk1|c0ffee | that tain posted |
| 20:38.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Not touching that |
| 20:44.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, stupid question, how can I tell if the tradeskill window is up? |
| 20:44.23 | Mikk1|c0ffee | I think that's posted in wowwiki actually |
| 20:44.25 | Mikk1|c0ffee | Somewhere |
| 20:44.27 | Mikk1|c0ffee | =) |
| 20:44.34 | Kirkburn | I hate you, Tain |
| 20:44.35 | Kaso | GetTradeSkillLine will return UNKNOWN :> |
| 20:44.45 | ScytheBlade1 | UNKNOWN you say |
| 20:45.04 | Kaso | yeh |
| 20:45.17 | Kirkburn | Is that your final answer? |
| 20:45.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Check that out :) |
| 20:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ty |
| 20:45.32 | Kaso | there might be a funcion to find it as well, but that works |
| 20:45.54 | Kirkburn | Anyone from Sweden around? |
| 20:46.14 | Kirkburn | What timing ... |
| 20:46.19 | Mikk1|c0ffee | me |
| 20:46.39 | Kirkburn | I wrote that at the exact moment they scored :) |
| 20:46.42 | Kaso | TradeSkillFrame:IsVisible might work as well ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:46.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso, I like that idea a lot more |
| 20:47.05 | Mikk1 | It's not testing if stuff will actually work tho |
| 20:47.13 | Mikk1 | I prefer testing the actual thing I'll be using =) |
| 20:47.14 | Kaso | i think Hunter pet training works as a tradeskill though, double check that |
| 20:47.38 | Mikk1 | Kirkburn: I'm SO not interested in football =) |
| 20:48.00 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 20:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Hunterpet is on the old API |
| 20:48.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Which I don't care about :) |
| 20:48.14 | Kaso | ah ok |
| 20:48.29 | Kirkburn | It was just such weird timing, the exact moment I pressed enter, the ball went in the net (from it being 0-0 for 85mins) |
| 20:48.39 | ScytheBlade1 | So, on GetNumTradeSkills |
| 20:48.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It says, "Get the number of trade skill entries (including headers)" |
| 20:48.44 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf are headers? |
| 20:48.51 | Mikk1 | The things you expand |
| 20:48.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Crap. |
| 20:49.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That's... annoying. |
| 20:49.18 | Mikk1 | You can find out if a line is a header or actual tradeskill |
| 20:49.33 | Mikk1 | But yeah it's an idiot way of doing it imo |
| 20:49.44 | ScytheBlade1 | By calling another function and seeing if it fails? ;) |
| 20:49.49 | Mikk1 | Smells like quick patch to a problem they didn't want to solve properly |
| 20:49.56 | Mikk1 | Haha |
| 20:50.01 | Mikk1 | That'd probably be one way yeah =) |
| 20:50.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It's probably what Blizzard does too |
| 20:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | But... meh |
| 20:50.28 | Kaso | GetTradeSkillInfo has a return that tells if its a hearder |
| 20:50.37 | Mikk1 | Oi, ck.. |
| 20:50.50 | Mikk1 | Get Ace to spew less garbage into ChatFrame1 on load plx =) |
| 20:51.00 | Mikk1 | I don't need 4 lines to tell me that a function library has loaded =) |
| 20:51.23 | Kaso | attually i lie |
| 20:51.31 | Mikk1 | "Ace Initialized. 1 application. Profile: default. Type /ace for more information" <-- good enough |
| 20:51.56 | Thrae | Mikk1: It makes sense if you have 100 addons like I do ;) |
| 20:52.15 | Mikk1 | No, then it only aggravates the problem =) |
| 20:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso, any ideas then? :) |
| 20:52.54 | Mikk1 | I mean... configuring Ace with some sort of "spew more" switch to make it behave like that for developers makes sense. |
| 20:52.55 | Thrae | But anyway, each of those messages come from different parts of Ace, and as of 1.3.1, there's no way to "delay" the messages. |
| 20:52.58 | Mikk1 | But Joe User only gets annoyed =) |
| 20:53.07 | Mikk1 | Haha |
| 20:53.09 | Kaso | no i was right first time _ , type =GetTradeSkillInfo(i) type being "header" or "easy" optimal etc |
| 20:53.11 | Mikk1 | pwnd by object orientation |
| 20:53.21 | Mikk1 | That's what you get if you OO too much =) |
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| 20:53.35 | Thrae | In Ace 2.0 it would be even worse, since then each part of Ace will REALLY be independant ^^; |
| 20:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso: ty! |
| 20:54.05 | Kaso | tis all on http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#TradeSkill_Functions |
| 20:54.08 | Mikk1 | Well bah. Just have the subsystems register intialization messages with the base class. |
| 20:54.15 | Mikk1 | Then the base class can spew them all out. |
| 20:54.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso, I've got that open in front of me |
| 20:54.41 | Kaso | i suppose having read half of it helps somewhat :> |
| 20:54.42 | Mikk1 | All nice and OO =) |
| 20:54.48 | Thrae | I like StopTheSpam myself. |
| 20:54.56 | Mikk1 | o? |
| 20:55.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso, typically :) |
| 20:55.27 | Thrae | It tries to surpress all addons from spitting out stuff on startup. You really only need to see that stuff once unless you're trying to devel for it.. |
| 20:56.35 | Mikk1 | WHY HAS NOONE TOLD ME ABOUT THIS MOD BEFORE?! |
| 20:57.02 | Thrae | It's been around for about 3 months at least... |
| 20:57.09 | End | panick attack? |
| 20:57.11 | Kaso | ****** HUNTERS FIRE TRANQ SHOT ********** |
| 20:57.17 | End | picnick attack |
| 20:57.38 | Mikk1 | ****** TRANQ SHOT >>>MISSED<<<! BACKUP HUNTER SHOOT! ****** |
| 20:58.21 | Kaso | would have worked better as a joke if you said frenzed instead of frantic but close enough |
| 20:59.10 | Thrae | Alright, let's see if I can actually play WoW for a little while without going back to coding blind...since I don't like coding blind =/ |
| 20:59.26 | Mikk1 | o.O |
| 20:59.38 | End | O can kinda see |
| 20:59.50 | End | everu thing is kinda blurry though |
| 21:00.01 | End | ok, really blurry |
| 21:00.42 | Thrae | Mikk1, I'm coding blind because a good 20% of my code uses 0.11 PTR UI. |
| 21:00.47 | Mikk1 | Ouch |
| 21:00.57 | End | WoWBench doesn't even support 1.11! |
| 21:01.00 | Mikk1 | =( |
| 21:01.08 | Mikk1 | On the plus side, my SF.net project is open now |
| 21:01.12 | Mikk1 | So branching isn't a problem |
| 21:01.12 | End | neat |
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| 21:02.49 | Kaso | surely making it work for PTR would be a matter of extracting the PTR FrameXML and then manually adding what few new api have been added. (when its up and running for current version ofc) |
| 21:03.04 | Mikk1 | Kaso: Of course |
| 21:03.13 | Mikk1 | The problem was only that I didn't want to fork the code before I had revision control |
| 21:03.20 | Kaso | ah |
| 21:03.43 | Thrae | That'd be a better name for the Gnomish Battle Chicken's party buff, "Battle Squawk" -- "Fowl Up" |
| 21:03.52 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 21:03.56 | End | there are xml changes too |
| 21:04.02 | End | the xml changes are what bit me |
| 21:04.06 | Mikk1 | shouldn't be a big deal tho |
| 21:04.24 | End | no, not really, but -someone- has to do it (and I'm working on something else atm) |
| 21:04.34 | Mikk1 | can you mail me the 1.11 framexml btw? |
| 21:04.43 | Mikk1 | 0.11 even |
| 21:04.44 | End | learn2wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 21:04.48 | Mikk1 | o |
| 21:05.11 | Mikk1 | ok cool, a blank page :P |
| 21:05.23 | End | learn2use xslt supporting browser |
| 21:05.25 | End | :-/ |
| 21:05.30 | Mikk1 | haha |
| 21:05.41 | Mikk1 | Yeah i pasted it into firefox and it worked a bit better ;) |
| 21:05.43 | End | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=download&id=01105383 |
| 21:05.45 | End | oh |
| 21:05.47 | End | ok then |
| 21:05.53 | End | well, there's a link anyways |
| 21:05.55 | End | to download |
| 21:07.02 | Kirkburn | Krazee russkies! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4046220309038527780&q=Moskau |
| 21:09.24 | Kirkburn | Mmm, nice hair: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocE5Dij_Nb0 |
| 21:09.29 | Ktron | heh, Kirkburn, that's a nice video |
| 21:09.36 | Kirkburn | (can I just mention my links are NOTHING like Tain's) |
| 21:09.37 | Ktron | I've seen it before :) |
| 21:09.59 | Kirkburn | It's got Eyonix in a starring role :P |
| 21:11.33 | Kirkburn | Obviously I'm not talking about the second video there ... there's a MAJOR difference between Eyonix and, er, those people |
| 21:11.51 | Ktron | have you seen this one? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8610362188397291938&q=worst+music+video |
| 21:11.52 | ScytheBlade1 | 78 lines for that entire addon |
| 21:12.47 | Kaso | 78, pah real men write all there code on one line. |
| 21:12.57 | ScytheBlade1 | CraftName, CraftType = GetTradeSkillInfo(i); |
| 21:13.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there ANYTHING wrong with that? |
| 21:13.16 | ScytheBlade1 | It's giving me the usage for GetTradeSkillInfo :P |
| 21:13.18 | End | real men have addons composed of only a .toc file |
| 21:13.57 | Kaso | you have i as a varibile yeh? |
| 21:14.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Correct |
| 21:14.08 | ScytheBlade1 | for i=1, NumCrafts, 1 do |
| 21:14.08 | ScytheBlade1 | CraftName, CraftType = GetTradeSkillInfo(i); |
| 21:14.12 | ScytheBlade1 | NumCrafts = GetNumTradeSkills(); |
| 21:14.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Only that last line goes before the other two |
| 21:14.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ^^ |
| 21:14.49 | Mikk1 | End: o.O |
| 21:14.56 | Mikk1 | Ohwait |
| 21:14.59 | End | Mikk1: there are two uses |
| 21:15.01 | Mikk1 | I know which one you're talking about |
| 21:15.04 | End | (that I can think of) |
| 21:15.10 | Mikk1 | Enabling and disabling classes of addons |
| 21:15.13 | Mikk1 | Via dependency hacking |
| 21:15.17 | End | ok, 3 |
| 21:15.31 | Kaso | ScytheBlade1 that code works fine for me. |
| 21:15.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso: wtf. -.- |
| 21:15.57 | Kaso | pastebin your block of code |
| 21:16.12 | Wobin | yarr |
| 21:16.14 | End | The uses I was thinking of was is changing when an addon gets loaded, and the other is just to save variables not normally saved |
| 21:16.17 | Wobin | worst stealth princess run ever |
| 21:16.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso: k |
| 21:16.25 | Kirkburn | Impressive video Ktron! I counter with this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8694244338798619086 |
| 21:16.35 | Mikk1 | End: Ah, true. |
| 21:16.41 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wow.pastebin.com/711626 |
| 21:16.51 | AnduinLothar | lol, so i emailed the acount admin people on saturday and now on thursday i get an email saying they couldn't help me and had fwded my request to the support people.. |
| 21:16.55 | Wobin | The party leader didn't even have the damn scepter |
| 21:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | line 12 |
| 21:17.02 | Wobin | So we had to stealth through orange |
| 21:17.07 | Wobin | two deaths later =P |
| 21:17.16 | Mikk1 | Stealth through orange = ..... eh? |
| 21:17.16 | Wobin | rarararar |
| 21:17.18 | Mikk1 | Sure, tat 60 |
| 21:17.19 | Mikk1 | at* |
| 21:17.25 | Mikk1 | Too much crap moving about |
| 21:17.27 | Wobin | I was 48 |
| 21:17.30 | End | ew |
| 21:17.32 | Mikk1 | OW |
| 21:17.34 | Wobin | I was fine |
| 21:17.37 | End | lol |
| 21:17.39 | Mikk1 | Phat skillz =) |
| 21:17.40 | Wobin | til we decided to kill whatsisface |
| 21:17.47 | Wobin | the centaur dude |
| 21:17.55 | Wobin | I was busy getting aggro off our druid |
| 21:18.06 | End | he summons many trees :( |
| 21:18.06 | Wobin | and someone looted =P |
| 21:18.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso, see *anything*? |
| 21:18.09 | Ktron | Kirkburn, I counter your counter with http://youtube.com/watch?v=u-kfLf_RGqk&search=mentos%20coke |
| 21:18.10 | Wobin | which covered my vanish button |
| 21:18.14 | Mikk1 | pwnd |
| 21:18.15 | End | lol |
| 21:18.19 | Mikk1 | get CompactLootFrames |
| 21:18.34 | Kaso | uumm |
| 21:18.45 | Wobin | I was a second away from grabbing it with visor and nudging the damn thing =P |
| 21:18.46 | Mikk1 | (which I keep meaning to hack to add info about how many people have rolled, and whether or not they've gone G or N) |
| 21:19.03 | Wobin | ktron is that the eekybird production? |
| 21:19.09 | Kaso | ooh |
| 21:19.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 21:19.18 | Kaso | make your varibles local |
| 21:19.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ... doh |
| 21:19.29 | End | lol |
| 21:19.35 | Ktron | Wobin, maybe? it's a really ridiculous one, lots and lots of coke bottles? |
| 21:19.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Do I have to do local a, b, c = Blah(), or local a, local b, etc? |
| 21:19.49 | End | local a, b, c |
| 21:19.51 | Wobin | and two 'scientists'? |
| 21:19.51 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 21:20.02 | Ktron | Wobin, yep :) |
| 21:20.04 | Wobin | Bellagio in diet coke |
| 21:20.14 | Ktron | Wobin, yeah, it's amazing |
| 21:20.46 | Ktron | I'd like to see what Kirkburn can use to counter it ;) |
| 21:20.53 | AnduinLothar | zomg bill gates is steppign down.. |
| 21:21.10 | Ktron | Wobin, eepybird.com production |
| 21:21.13 | Tain | He's stepping down as the wealthiest person in the world? |
| 21:21.18 | Gryphen | the stairs? |
| 21:21.19 | Wobin | Thassit |
| 21:21.30 | AnduinLothar | top article on slashdot |
| 21:22.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso, still getting a box telling me usage ^^ |
| 21:22.18 | Kaso | wtf |
| 21:22.38 | End | AnduinLothar: he's only stepping down as "chief architect" |
| 21:22.48 | Kirkburn | I can't, I just can't counter it |
| 21:23.21 | Kaso | ScytheBlade1 i have no idea |
| 21:23.24 | AnduinLothar | i read the article |
| 21:23.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso, k, ty anyways :) |
| 21:23.31 | Kirkburn | I have to say, it sounds like a good thing, his foundation is amazing |
| 21:23.34 | Kaso | the same code with your table crap works fine on mine |
| 21:24.39 | Kirkburn | Btw, I know a bug in notepad :P |
| 21:25.29 | Kirkburn | Open notepad, and type ... aaaa bbb ccc ddddd .... save it, then open it :) |
| 21:26.20 | Kirkburn | Any 4-3-3-5 combination should work |
| 21:27.05 | End | eep |
| 21:27.15 | Kaso | ooh |
| 21:27.33 | End | hmm |
| 21:27.36 | End | it saved it fine |
| 21:27.41 | End | just can't read it |
| 21:28.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 21:28.51 | Kaso | ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:28.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 21:29.03 | Kaso | line 3 |
| 21:29.26 | Kaso | shouldnt be GetTradeSkillInfo() |
| 21:29.36 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 21:30.20 | End | wait a sec, is it trying to do utf-16? |
| 21:30.32 | Kirkburn | It gets confused, yeah |
| 21:30.35 | End | I'm seeing a FFFE |
| 21:30.54 | Kirkburn | I see chinese characters |
| 21:30.55 | Kaso | it's saved perfectly its just not reading it properlu |
| 21:30.56 | End | the byte order mark |
| 21:31.15 | End | If I examine the file closely, it has a byte order mark at the beginning |
| 21:31.47 | Kaso | hm? |
| 21:32.00 | Kirkburn | Source: http://bink.nu/Article7429.bink |
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| 21:37.21 | Kirkburn | Ktron, I lied, I *do* have a counter =) http://youtube.com/watch?v=pYak2F1hUYA |
| 21:37.35 | Kaso | shit, its friday! |
| 21:37.42 | Kaso | or it will be in 1 hour |
| 21:38.12 | Kirkburn | Tis true |
| 21:38.26 | Wobin | Already been friday for 5hrs here =( |
| 21:38.51 | Kirkburn | German is such a beautiful language to sing in ... |
| 21:38.53 | AnduinLothar | wow, it's still 2:40pm thursday here.. |
| 21:39.10 | Ktron | Kirkburn, lol, I've got a counter for that too |
| 21:39.21 | Kirkburn | But it's soooo goooood |
| 21:39.36 | Ktron | lol |
| 21:39.37 | Wobin | Kirkburn: ... I would agree... but there are nicer languages to sing in |
| 21:39.38 | AnduinLothar | what're you talking about, german is a horid language to sing in.. |
| 21:40.01 | Wobin | Now Russian! Russian is a -fun- language to sing in |
| 21:40.21 | Ktron | Kirkburn, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7026644119480572591&q=ok+go !! |
| 21:40.23 | Kirkburn | Wo bist du mein sonnenicht?? |
| 21:40.50 | Kirkburn | Ah, no that one's good! |
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| 21:41.05 | Ktron | ah, you want an even trashier one? okay |
| 21:41.10 | Kirkburn | Absolutely excellent video that one |
| 21:41.10 | Ktron | give me a sec, I've got one of those too |
| 21:41.18 | Wobin | oh god |
| 21:41.25 | Wobin | the synthesised clap |
| 21:41.36 | Wobin | I can see someone on the keyboard hitting one key over and over =P |
| 21:42.01 | Wobin | oh and if you can find non-googlevideo ones, I'd appreciate it =) |
| 21:42.26 | Ktron | not a fan of google video? |
| 21:42.27 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 21:42.30 | Wobin | German has too many silbilants to rap |
| 21:42.31 | Kirkburn | Blocked, methinks |
| 21:42.35 | Wobin | Aye, blocked |
| 21:43.21 | Ktron | Kirkburn, http://www.onision.com/movies/comedy-rappin-egyption.wmv then ;) |
| 21:43.22 | Kirkburn | Ok go, http://youtube.com/watch?v=XkCfh7ayDms&search=ok%20go |
| 21:43.43 | Wobin | hehe they couldn't hit the right note if it were a pinata the size of a horse =P |
| 21:44.09 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:45.15 | Kirkburn | Ktron, I'm scared by the rappin egyption! |
| 21:46.09 | Wobin | I'm actually kinda impressed at the dancing |
| 21:46.20 | Wobin | They did rather well =) |
| 21:46.49 | Ktron | Kirkburn, have you seen Meet the Feebles |
| 21:47.08 | Kirkburn | The Ok Go vid is excellent imo |
| 21:47.18 | Kirkburn | Never heard of Meet the Feebles, no |
| 21:47.28 | Ktron | yeah, the OK Go video is high quality |
| 21:47.41 | Ktron | heh, Meet the Feebles is the worst thing ever made, ever |
| 21:48.22 | Ktron | It was directed by Peter Jackson in his 'darker days'... it's a muppet/puppet movie that involves lawsuits, mobs, murder, aids, drugs, rape... |
| 21:49.08 | Ktron | Kirkburn, is youtube okay?\ |
| 21:49.41 | Kirkburn | Fine for me, fine for Wobin |
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| 21:49.56 | Ktron | awesome... This is one of the better lypsyncing videos, if you haven't seen ithttp://youtube.com/watch?v=VLOAFEhWBKs&search=system%20of%20a%20down |
| 21:50.03 | Ktron | http://youtube.com/watch?v=VLOAFEhWBKs&search=system%20of%20a%20down |
| 21:52.35 | Ktron | heh |
| 21:52.53 | Kirkburn | I have seen one of Mr. Jacksons earlier films, very very odd :D |
| 21:53.17 | Ktron | Meet the Feebles is hilarious for a while, then it just gets too wrong to enjoy |
| 21:53.20 | Ktron | and then it gets worse |
| 21:53.21 | Ktron | and worse |
| 21:53.23 | Wobin | heheh classy |
| 21:53.32 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Ok |
| 21:53.48 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Who here has worked with SVN at SF before? |
| 21:54.02 | Wobin | who for the what now? |
| 21:54.02 | Ktron | I think I started feeling bad that I was watching it the first time when the puppet that has aids starts puking on stage during a live performance all over the place |
| 21:54.06 | Mikk1|Semiafk | It's not letting me create folders =( |
| 21:54.14 | Wobin | oh |
| 21:54.16 | End | what do you mean "create folders"? |
| 21:54.27 | Mikk1|Semiafk | I want to import my very first trunk |
| 21:54.30 | Kirkburn | Ah, I think I saw 'Bad Taste' |
| 21:54.35 | End | add folder, commit folder? |
| 21:54.52 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Well, I'm trying to Export |
| 21:55.00 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Tried to create the folder too (remotely) |
| 21:55.08 | Mikk1|Semiafk | It correctly wants my username and password |
| 21:55.11 | Mikk1|Semiafk | And then proceeds to hate me |
| 21:55.44 | Ktron | it gets worse when one of the puppets is cheating on his wife and you the main (likeable) character's gf gets daterape drugged and taken advantage of |
| 21:56.15 | End | Mikk1|Semiafk: o_O |
| 21:56.26 | Kirkburn | Ktron: o |
| 21:56.32 | Kirkburn | o_O, I mean :P |
| 21:56.59 | Ktron | and I think the worst is when a mother puppet is gunned down on stage spraying blood on her illegitimate baby, then the father runs to protect the baby and gets his legs shot out from underneath him and he collapses in pain next to the baby |
| 21:56.59 | Mikk1|Semiafk | MKACTIVITY of /svn/wowbench/!svn/act/....shitloadsofnumbers...': 403 Forbidden (https://svn.sourceforget.net) |
| 21:57.01 | Ktron | heh |
| 21:57.03 | Ktron | it's bad |
| 21:57.26 | Kirkburn | lool, that does sound like Peter Jackson :D |
| 21:57.34 | Mikk1|Semiafk | I've seen Bad Taste something like 25 times |
| 21:57.38 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Meet the Feebles only once |
| 21:58.22 | Ktron | when he accepted one of the awards for one of the LOTR movies he said something like "From our dark days of Meet the Feebles to where we are now is a incomprehensible journey' or something to that effect |
| 21:58.30 | Kirkburn | Wunderbar, Google video seems to have decided I don't need to use IE any more |
| 21:58.33 | Ktron | heh, I was glad that he hadn't forgotten what horrors he had directed |
| 21:59.27 | End | Mikk1|Semiafk: either they didn't set it up correctly (probably) or that isn't your correct username and password (doubtful, it let you go that far) |
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| 21:59.52 | End | Mikk1|Semiafk: it may take a period of time for everything to sync up, so you may need to wait :-/ |
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| 22:06.26 | Cairenn | lalala ... mutters 1/2 under her breath "whereas if you had set up on WoWI you'd already be up and running" ... /whistles and innocent little tune |
| 22:06.38 | Cairenn | an* |
| 22:06.39 | End | wowi doesn't have subversion though :P |
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| 22:06.54 | Cairenn | got everything else though :p |
| 22:07.30 | Wobin | does =) |
| 22:07.44 | AnduinLothar | yeah it'd be damn sexy if wowi had svn integrated so you sould package your addon at a push of a button |
| 22:07.55 | End | pff, I already do that |
| 22:08.17 | End | of course, I don't auto upload |
| 22:08.25 | AnduinLothar | yeah, but if it were on wowi it could just show you a list of changelogs and you check off which ones you want public |
| 22:08.26 | End | and -that- would be neat |
| 22:08.50 | AnduinLothar | and it could package and zip and upload all by itself |
| 22:10.13 | Wobin | lots |
| 22:11.09 | AnduinLothar | hmm, i'm tempted to write a web based svn interface for that myself |
| 22:11.24 | AnduinLothar | not for wowi tho |
| 22:11.43 | Cairenn | of course not |
| 22:13.08 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 22:13.08 | Cairenn | ? |
| 22:13.08 | Kirkburn | nvm me :) |
| 22:13.14 | Cairenn | okay |
| 22:13.55 | Cairenn | that wasn't me being snide, that was me saying I would expect he'd be writing it for himself |
| 22:14.27 | Kirkburn | heh, I know :P |
| 22:16.17 | Kirkburn | Some some of the forums are so totally broken : http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.aspx?ForumName=wow-dungeons |
| 22:16.44 | Kirkburn | How is it that I try to type 'wow' yet I manage to actually type 'some' ??! |
| 22:17.23 | Cairenn | why is it that I almost inevitably type "and" whenever I mean to type "an"? |
| 22:17.24 | Ktron | you even capitalized |
| 22:17.40 | Kirkburn | Amazing, eh =) |
| 22:17.58 | Ktron | why os ot that o always type an o when o try to type an o? |
| 22:18.08 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:18.09 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:18.26 | Ktron | my favorite mistypes are the 'shifted' mistypes |
| 22:18.26 | Kirkburn | (if you notice, the forum is full of 'test' posts ... people can make topics, but not reply) |
| 22:18.39 | Ktron | so like cairenn becomes vsotrmm |
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| 22:18.54 | Ktron | lol becomes either kik or ;p; |
| 22:18.59 | Ktron | usually ;p; though for me |
| 22:19.15 | Kirkburn | <-- Lotlnitm! |
| 22:19.36 | Legorol | hm, Blizz EU somehow managed to launch a fresh realm, without me noticing |
| 22:19.46 | Legorol | there is no forum post, no news on the main webpage, nothing |
| 22:19.49 | AnduinLothar | neener neener |
| 22:20.02 | Kirkburn | Is that the waaaaaahmbulance I hear? |
| 22:20.30 | AnduinLothar | water in my apt got turned off O.o |
| 22:20.37 | AnduinLothar | cant take a shower.. |
| 22:20.46 | Ktron | loltnitm lmped ejsyd i[ |
| 22:21.08 | Ktron | Smfiom:pyjst for AnduinLothar |
| 22:21.22 | Ktron | Ktron... Lytpm |
| 22:22.02 | Kirkburn | loltnitm lmped ejsyd i[ <-- did that actually mean anything??? |
| 22:22.13 | AnduinLothar | up.. |
| 22:22.53 | AnduinLothar | kikrburn knoats up |
| 22:23.01 | Kirkburn | kikrburn knows whats up |
| 22:23.23 | End | who is kikrburn? |
| 22:23.30 | Kirkburn | methinks AnduinLothar got confused midway :P |
| 22:23.30 | Kikrburn | oh right |
| 22:23.41 | End | lol |
| 22:23.42 | AnduinLothar | i started reading the wrong word |
| 22:24.06 | Lotlnitm | Ah, senile already, I see :) |
| 22:25.34 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Hrm. I wonder if I have to actually create a repository at that spot to get it to work. |
| 22:25.51 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Don't suppose anyone with SF.net Subversion experience has gone unafk in the last half hour? |
| 22:25.54 | Ktron | heh, I ;pdr |
| 22:27.12 | AnduinLothar | anyone have any experience writing a file browser in python? |
| 22:27.32 | Mikk1|Semiafk | #python is over ------> there :-) |
| 22:27.45 | AnduinLothar | you do have a point |
| 22:27.53 | AnduinLothar | and i've been there before |
| 22:27.58 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.07 | Mikk1|Semiafk | touche =) |
| 22:28.48 | AnduinLothar | tho the svn guys were amazingly less helpfull than the peeps here |
| 22:29.05 | [Wobin] | Mikk1|Semiafk: It runs =) |
| 22:29.16 | Mikk1|Semiafk | yay, finally :P |
| 22:29.24 | AnduinLothar | with leg, mira, iriel and clad i can usually get any question answered |
| 22:29.26 | [Wobin] | Mikk1|Semiafk: But also...ERROR: ...dons/PlowKing/SpecialEventsEmbedBags/SEEmbedBags.lua:179: attempt to |
| 22:29.27 | [Wobin] | all global `GetContainerNumSlots' (a nil value) |
| 22:29.35 | Lotlnitm | Stop saying touche, you keep making me think of : http://www.apple.com/getamac/ |
| 22:29.44 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Stop watching TV =) |
| 22:29.55 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Wobin: implement it =) |
| 22:30.04 | [Wobin] | implement it? |
| 22:30.19 | Mikk1|Semiafk | I have _not_ implemented all APIs. That's why I'm trying to get people here involved. |
| 22:30.21 | AnduinLothar | zomg.. ViewVC... already does svn and/cvs web based versioning |
| 22:30.23 | [Wobin] | aha |
| 22:30.32 | End | Lotlnitm: touche |
| 22:30.32 | [Wobin] | k. how do I go about doing so? =) |
| 22:30.52 | Mikk1|Semiafk | api.lua: function GetContainerNumSlots(...) ........ |
| 22:30.52 | Lotlnitm | Wobin, why are you back to using brackets?? |
| 22:31.29 | Wobin | Reconnect =P |
| 22:31.31 | Lotlnitm | :) |
| 22:31.37 | Wobin | Mikk1|Semiafk: hokies |
| 22:32.09 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Though I suppose the right way to do it is to add stuff to world.xml first, so you can configure your character to actually HAVE bags |
| 22:32.15 | Mikk1|Semiafk | (And stuff in them) |
| 22:32.21 | Lotlnitm | Fel Orcs http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/bestiary.html |
| 22:33.12 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Cool! |
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| 22:35.34 | Lotlnitm | lol http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Crazy_people/Mikk |
| 22:36.52 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Ack! Owned! |
| 22:39.05 | AnduinLothar | 2500+ edits O.o |
| 22:39.42 | Lotlnitm | Methinks he's well over that now |
| 22:40.45 | AnduinLothar | zomg, putting me to shame |
| 22:42.06 | Lotlnitm | About 3500 now |
| 22:42.55 | Lotlnitm | Lol, you haven't even managed 500 |
| 22:43.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah |
| 22:43.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Who knows where that nice piece of code went, that converts lua tables to PHP arrays? |
| 22:43.26 | AnduinLothar | shamed |
| 22:43.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I saw it on a mod site once |
| 22:44.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha! Found it! |
| 22:44.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-2324-1-lua2phparray.html |
| 22:46.07 | Mikk1|Semiafk | In this channel, you're supposed to find stuff on wowinterface, not curse =) |
| 22:46.45 | Lotlnitm | :O |
| 22:46.52 | Cairenn | no you aren't |
| 22:46.54 | Mikk1|Semiafk | ;) |
| 22:47.00 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Yay! Drew her out! |
| 22:47.19 | Lotlnitm | So mean... |
| 22:47.32 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Plx plx plxplx help explain to me why the heck I can't create folders or committ stuff to my newly created, shiny subversion repo at SF.net? |
| 22:47.55 | ScytheBlade1 | it isn't on WoWI :) |
| 22:48.33 | _B | I can't even use that Web site |
| 22:49.44 | Cairenn | _B: which one? |
| 22:49.48 | Lotlnitm | "When someone says 'plx' because it's shorter than 'please', I feel perfectly justified to answer 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'. " |
| 22:49.59 | zenzio | lol |
| 22:50.16 | End | I've never even seen plx before... |
| 22:50.19 | End | I've seen plz though |
| 22:50.21 | Kaso|tv | i like that, i'm going to have to steal that and pass it off as my own |
| 22:50.32 | Mikk1|Semiafk | hahaha |
| 22:50.45 | zenzio | plx is a typo of plz... that people started using |
| 22:50.55 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Yeah, I know, I hate it myself. I just did it to be obnoxious |
| 22:50.55 | Wobin | zomg |
| 22:51.22 | Mikk1|Semiafk | But that didn't get me any more help than being polite, or frantic, has gotten me |
| 22:51.23 | Cairenn | deliberate obnoxiousness? yeah, you fit right in |
| 22:52.02 | Cairenn | offer cyber, always works for me |
| 22:52.09 | Mikk1|Semiafk | If you help me, you get to kick Kirkburn? |
| 22:55.45 | Lotlnitm | Who is this Kirkburn you speak of? |
| 22:56.04 | AnduinLothar | lol, i got to update cpan and it installed like 20 dependancies.. |
| 22:56.13 | End | Mikk1|Semiafk: what url did you use to check your tree out? |
| 22:57.10 | End | actually scratch that |
| 22:58.45 | End | oh |
| 22:59.20 | End | Mikk1|Semiafk: did you give yourself permission to use svn? |
| 23:02.33 | Kaso | why do i even try this evil game, i know that within 5min of playing it i'll be filled the rage of a thousand fury warrirors. |
| 23:05.43 | Kaso | poof, now its finally out of my life |
| 23:05.50 | Kaso | i hate that game! |
| 23:06.00 | zenzio | o_O |
| 23:06.04 | Legorol | Kaso: which one? |
| 23:06.09 | Legorol | the 3D puzzle thing? |
| 23:06.12 | Kaso | yeh |
| 23:06.15 | Legorol | hehe |
| 23:06.20 | Legorol | how far did you get.. |
| 23:06.25 | Legorol | i can give you tips if you like |
| 23:06.33 | Kaso | i just finished |
| 23:06.34 | Legorol | or send you screenies of the solutions |
| 23:06.39 | Legorol | goodie! |
| 23:06.54 | Kaso | Now i never have to rant about it again |
| 23:07.23 | Lotlnitm | :D |
| 23:07.24 | Legorol | until the next crazy something is brought up in this channel :-( |
| 23:07.25 | Legorol | :) |
| 23:07.30 | End | I'm on 28 |
| 23:07.35 | Legorol | ah, 28.. |
| 23:07.40 | Legorol | the End is in sight |
| 23:07.50 | End | lies, I'm invisible |
| 23:07.55 | zenzio | oh nose, teh pun! |
| 23:08.34 | Legorol | Blizz is so, so evil.. |
| 23:08.46 | Legorol | they launch a fresh realm, and there is absolutely no sign of it whatsoever on forums, website etc. |
| 23:08.59 | Legorol | how am i supposed to notice that way? |
| 23:09.02 | zenzio | doesn't even show up in the realm list! ;) |
| 23:09.16 | Legorol | that's right, it does not.... yes it does! |
| 23:09.27 | Kaso | perhaps they dont want everyone to go omg fresh realm and it suddently to have 5000 queues like with the other fresh realms |
| 23:09.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Amau'thul or whatever? |
| 23:09.33 | Legorol | you almost got me there, zenzio |
| 23:09.38 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: i'm in EU |
| 23:09.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol, ah |
| 23:09.55 | Kaso | ScytheBlade1 did you get that code working in the end? |
| 23:10.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol, they did something similar in the US, except there was one sign of it: all of the Doomhammer posters started to be from that new realm ;) |
| 23:10.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso, I did, thank you :) |
| 23:10.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso, that was one of those subtle, stupid things |
| 23:10.57 | Lotlnitm | Legorol, I don't understand why you're so annoyed?! |
| 23:11.27 | Legorol | because, i like to be on top of WoW related news, for one thing |
| 23:11.38 | Legorol | I have a list of launch dates for all EU english realms for another |
| 23:11.43 | Legorol | but most of all: because i love fresh realms! |
| 23:11.52 | Legorol | when one launches, i play that for the next 5 days |
| 23:12.02 | Legorol | and i love it even more if i'm there on day 1 |
| 23:12.04 | Lotlnitm | heh |
| 23:12.19 | Cairenn | ocd |
| 23:12.24 | Legorol | ocd? |
| 23:12.34 | Legorol | i know what lcd is... |
| 23:12.56 | Cairenn | look it up in your funk & wagnel's |
| 23:14.16 | Wobin | make sure you wash your hands though |
| 23:14.19 | Legorol | hmm, turns out there was a forum post by Thundy on the day the server was launched |
| 23:14.21 | Wobin | 13 times |
| 23:14.29 | Legorol | i musta missed that, seems like it got unstickied rather quickly |
| 23:14.30 | Cairenn | Wobin: *grin* |
| 23:14.50 | Legorol | hm, what is funk & wagnel? |
| 23:14.56 | Legorol | Cairenn, you are all mysterious today! |
| 23:14.58 | Cairenn | I'm currently waiting for someone to ask me what the hell "funk and wagnel's" is? |
| 23:15.01 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 23:15.08 | Cairenn | dictionary |
| 23:15.18 | Cairenn | aka, go google it |
| 23:15.31 | Ktron | obsessive compulsive disorder? |
| 23:15.33 | Legorol | ah, why didn't you say so! you know that i only speak geek.. |
| 23:15.42 | Cairenn | Ktron: heh, aye |
| 23:15.57 | Legorol | ocd is not fun |
| 23:16.03 | Ktron | heh, I'm only half paying attention, ocean's 12 in on the other monitor |
| 23:16.07 | Cairenn | and Legorol, I'm female, of COURSE I'm all mysterious, sheesh! |
| 23:16.12 | Legorol | bah.. |
| 23:16.17 | Lotlnitm | There was a wonderful episode of Scrubs where Michael J Fox played a guy with OCD |
| 23:16.18 | Legorol | mysterious female figures are a myth |
| 23:16.22 | Ktron | here's the one to see if anyone remembers |
| 23:16.32 | Legorol | Lotlnitm: i saw that one |
| 23:16.37 | Ktron | anyone remember what LASER 'stood' for? |
| 23:16.43 | Legorol | as always, his acting was great |
| 23:16.49 | Lotlnitm | indeedy |
| 23:16.59 | Legorol | ocd is a very, very sad disease though |
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| 23:17.16 | Cairenn | most mental disorders are |
| 23:17.17 | Kaso | damnit i should know that ktron, grr |
| 23:17.27 | Cairenn | as should I, it's gonna drive me crazy now |
| 23:17.29 | Legorol | Ktron: Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation |
| 23:17.33 | Legorol | according to wikipedia |
| 23:17.38 | Kaso | Noo |
| 23:17.39 | Kaso | cheat! |
| 23:17.45 | Wobin | Alan Parsons Project |
| 23:17.48 | Lotlnitm | You shouldn't have said the second part! |
| 23:17.54 | Legorol | why? |
| 23:18.00 | Ktron | or here's a fun one, what does SOS stand for? |
| 23:18.11 | Lotlnitm | Save our souls :P |
| 23:18.11 | Mikk1|Semiafk | Nothing |
| 23:18.16 | Legorol | Ktron: nothing |
| 23:18.17 | Mikk1|Semiafk | That's a reinvention after the fact |
| 23:18.22 | Ktron | yeah, nothing, good good |
| 23:18.25 | snurre | depends what you want it to stand for |
| 23:18.28 | Lotlnitm | :) |
| 23:18.29 | Kaso | scuba ? |
| 23:18.37 | Legorol | it comes from the fact that morse code happens to have very distinct, but easy to produce symbols for S and O |
| 23:18.46 | Lotlnitm | Well, it was designed that way |
| 23:18.54 | Legorol | ah, ok that's possible :) |
| 23:19.01 | Lotlnitm | =) |
| 23:19.08 | Legorol | but either way, afaik SOS stands for nothing |
| 23:19.12 | Cairenn | self contained underwater breathing apparatus |
| 23:19.18 | Ktron | there was a different signal before, but they changed it to SOS to simplify it |
| 23:19.21 | Legorol | Cairenn: cool |
| 23:19.27 | Mikk1 | CQD |
| 23:19.27 | Lotlnitm | I doubt Mr Morse just randomly wrote down the code |
| 23:19.33 | Ktron | QED? |
| 23:19.41 | Lotlnitm | Quod Erat Demonstradum |
| 23:19.44 | Lotlnitm | *demonstrandum |
| 23:19.45 | Legorol | quod errat demonstrandum |
| 23:19.48 | Legorol | damn, beaten |
| 23:20.00 | Kaso | damnit i knew that but i there was no way in hell i could spell that right ;< |
| 23:20.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Dumb question |
| 23:20.08 | Legorol | nor could i, lol |
| 23:20.12 | Lotlnitm | :P |
| 23:20.12 | Ktron | heh, keyboard layouts are pretty dumb |
| 23:20.13 | Legorol | ok, here is one for you guys |
| 23:20.13 | cladhaire | Cairenn, did you get a chance to try out Clique? |
| 23:20.16 | Legorol | QCD |
| 23:20.17 | ScytheBlade1 | How can I get the current char's name/guild/class/level? |
| 23:20.33 | Lotlnitm | Quantum Color Dynamics ... something like that |
| 23:20.34 | Kaso | UnitName UnitClass UnitLevel etc |
| 23:20.36 | Ktron | keyboard layout was designed by a salesman... to make it easy, he put all the letters to type 'typewriter' in the top row |
| 23:20.38 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: wiki is your friend |
| 23:20.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah |
| 23:20.48 | Lotlnitm | It's the main quantum theory thing |
| 23:21.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol, I was searching through the Character funcs... not the unit funcs... |
| 23:21.05 | Ktron | and all the vowels (the q and the a were switched in his first and I think only revision) |
| 23:21.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso, ty |
| 23:21.11 | Lotlnitm | Quantum Chromodynamics |
| 23:21.18 | Lotlnitm | I was so close! |
| 23:21.20 | Cairenn | <== dives, thus knows scuba :p |
| 23:21.24 | Legorol | Lotlnitm: yup |
| 23:21.31 | Cairenn | cladhaire: not yet |
| 23:21.32 | Wobin | Self contained breathing apparatus |
| 23:21.32 | Ktron | QED is Quantum Electro Dynamics |
| 23:21.44 | Wobin | underwater |
| 23:21.44 | Cairenn | Wobin: too late |
| 23:21.46 | Wobin | oh |
| 23:21.50 | Wobin | I'm tired =) |
| 23:21.58 | Ktron | anyway, after you unswap the q and the a, look at your keyboard |
| 23:22.03 | Ktron | ignore the letters in typewriter |
| 23:22.11 | Ktron | all the vowels and those letters up top |
| 23:22.16 | Legorol | yup, end? |
| 23:22.17 | Ktron | and then its nearly alphabetical |
| 23:22.34 | Legorol | nearly is pushing it.. |
| 23:22.51 | Ktron | dfghjkl in a row |
| 23:22.52 | Lotlnitm | heh |
| 23:22.55 | Legorol | how did B and C end up where they are |
| 23:23.06 | Lotlnitm | It was so slow down typers, was it not? So that they didn't jam the machines |
| 23:23.09 | Wobin | bad luck in the stock exchange |
| 23:23.10 | Ktron | I forget, there's a story behind b and c |
| 23:23.13 | Lotlnitm | s/so/to/ |
| 23:23.18 | Wobin | Lotlnitm: I think that's a myth |
| 23:23.41 | Legorol | i don't think i type any slower no matter the arrangement |
| 23:23.46 | Legorol | you learn and practice it once, that's that.. |
| 23:23.51 | Ktron | no, you would legorol |
| 23:23.52 | Legorol | i press each key with about the same speed |
| 23:23.54 | Legorol | would i? |
| 23:24.03 | Ktron | and it was picked over the faster models because it was the 'slowest' available |
| 23:24.06 | Legorol | but i hardly even use B and C |
| 23:24.10 | Ktron | but there was no science to it |
| 23:24.29 | Mikk1 | No, the layout was picked so that you would not be very likely to hit e.g cde or vfr or bgt in sequence |
| 23:24.31 | Legorol | oh well, cool myth, even if not true |
| 23:24.31 | Mikk1 | Because that'd jam the hammers |
| 23:24.32 | Wobin | I still think that's all a myth =P |
| 23:24.37 | Lotlnitm | !Frequently used pairs of letters were separated in an attempt to stop the typebars from intertwining and becoming stuck, thus forcing the typist to manually unstick the typebars and also frequently blotting the document[1]." |
| 23:24.41 | Ktron | that's why we don't use Dvorak's layout-- it showed 20% to 70% increase in speeds when tested by the military |
| 23:24.50 | Ktron | (over qwerty |
| 23:24.51 | Ktron | ) |
| 23:25.12 | Mikk1 | What LotInitm said |
| 23:25.35 | Ktron | Lotlnitm, there wasn't any science to it though |
| 23:25.38 | Legorol | damn, maybe i should learn Dvorak then |
| 23:25.40 | Lotlnitm | No, not really |
| 23:25.44 | Ktron | it took a salesman 3 days to come up with |
| 23:25.47 | Ktron | heh |
| 23:25.52 | Ktron | or something quick like that |
| 23:26.07 | Lotlnitm | Certainly it wasn't really researched :P |
| 23:26.20 | Lotlnitm | Ubiquity won :/ |
| 23:26.20 | Legorol | i find it funny though how the "typewriter" line is not even the central line now |
| 23:26.52 | Ktron | Legorol, one warning about other keyboard layouts-- do you use Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, and Ctrl-V much? Because in windows, I don't know how to remap those to more convienent keys for the dvorak layout |
| 23:26.56 | Legorol | what i mean is that's not hte one you keep your hand on |
| 23:27.24 | Legorol | yeah i do use ctrl cxv a lot, but i'm afraid i don't get your point |
| 23:27.32 | Legorol | with the current layout, it's killing my hand to use them |
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| 23:27.59 | Ktron | I think where the B is, the O, and maybe the D, are where V X and C move to |
| 23:28.00 | Wobin | with the dvorak the keys will be in diffrenet spots |
| 23:28.02 | Ktron | or something like that |
| 23:28.19 | Ktron | so try hitting Ctrl-O quickly heh |
| 23:28.23 | Ktron | not easy |
| 23:28.38 | Wobin | so you'd have to think 'Ctrl-'c'' rather than ctrl-key undernear my pinkie |
| 23:29.07 | Wobin | anyway, nap =P |
| 23:29.14 | Ktron | yeah, I couldn't find a way in windows to change Control-C to Control-N or whatever it should be for a dvorak layout |
| 23:29.31 | Ktron | There's the Arensito layout too, which is supposed to be better for modern typing Ithink |
| 23:29.32 | Ktron | *think |
| 23:29.38 | Wobin | You'd think they'd automatically remap for the dvorak layout |
| 23:29.42 | Ktron | I think Arensito was designed more recently |
| 23:30.01 | Ktron | Wobin, you would, but they don't, at least not in windows, and I couldn't find a way to manually do it |
| 23:30.08 | Ktron | There _must_ be a way, but... |
| 23:30.57 | Lotlnitm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Comparisons_of_alternative_layouts |
| 23:31.13 | Lotlnitm | Just look at the distance covered by Qwerty! |
| 23:31.30 | Legorol | I like these two: |
| 23:31.31 | Legorol | A study carried out by the US Navy indicated that they could recover the costs of retraining their typists in Dvorak in 10 days, because of their increased productivity. |
| 23:31.32 | Legorol | The average beginner typists would require 56 hours of training to attain a 40 word-per-minute speed in QWERTY; in Dvorak, the time is reduced to 18 hours |
| 23:31.33 | Ktron | There's a program that someone was working on too to help people with 'custom' layouts |
| 23:31.57 | Ktron | ie, figure out what keys you type the most, how long you pause mid typing a word before certain characters, what combinations you stumble over too |
| 23:32.02 | Wobin | I like the numbering layout for the arensito |
| 23:32.05 | Ktron | and then try to avoid them all and make a layout |
| 23:32.15 | Ktron | It's 1357924680 right? |
| 23:32.24 | Wobin | Ktron: But then, wouldn't you need to relearn the new layout? |
| 23:32.31 | Tain | But the training for someone who already knows QWERTY is often a lot longer to learn Dvorak. |
| 23:32.44 | Wobin | no:67890123456 |
| 23:33.08 | Wobin | http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~hakonhal/keyboard/ |
| 23:33.25 | Ktron | Wobin, of course you would have to learn a new one, but figure, you can learn one that is perfect, and if it increases your typing speed drastically... you figure, a generic Dvorak layout over qwerty gets 20% to 70% more, a custom one... maybe 50%-150% or more, who knows |
| 23:33.43 | Wobin | hm |
| 23:33.45 | Ktron | yeah, people learn Dvorak faster than qwerty |
| 23:33.58 | Ktron | took me... roughly 5 days to get back up to 60wpm on Dvorak |
| 23:34.14 | Ktron | I'm roughly 100wpm on qwerty |
| 23:34.16 | Lotlnitm | For a typist, I don't really think that it would actually do much, they already type at near lightspeed |
| 23:34.18 | Tain | I'm old and set in my ways. I can't learn anything new. |
| 23:34.27 | Ktron | and those 5 days, I typed at most two hours each day |
| 23:34.42 | Lotlnitm | I still haven't really learned touch typing |
| 23:34.56 | Ktron | They used military typists in the dvorak tests |
| 23:34.57 | Ktron | heh |
| 23:35.12 | Lotlnitm | if I concioudly trey it my test is littered with mistakes :/ |
| 23:35.24 | Ktron | imagine being able to type 50% faster-- that's a HUGE difference |
| 23:35.44 | Lotlnitm | Just a bit! |
| 23:36.31 | Legorol | i understand that the 20-70% speed increase is for fast touchtypers |
| 23:36.43 | Legorol | someone who can't touchtype wouldn't feel that much of a speed boost, i'm sure |
| 23:36.53 | Ktron | 'touchtype'? |
| 23:37.02 | Lotlnitm | type without looking at keys |
| 23:37.03 | Legorol | touchtype is the word for blind typing |
| 23:37.11 | Legorol | as Lotlnitm says (more clearly than me) |
| 23:37.28 | Ktron | well, dvorak is supposed to be much more intuitive and easier to pick up and learn |
| 23:37.38 | Lotlnitm | Probably if I'm not thinking about it, I am touchtyping, but the moment I think about it, it all goes to pot :( |
| 23:37.40 | Ktron | if you believe the specs, much much easier to learn |
| 23:37.46 | Tain | I don't buy inuitive. Easier to learn? Sure. |
| 23:38.00 | Legorol | that reminds me of a story once.. |
| 23:38.04 | Tain | But as someone said, "The only intuitive interface is the nipple. Everything else is learned." |
| 23:38.05 | Ktron | I think the letters are grooped more intuitively |
| 23:38.16 | Legorol | i was in a touchtyping competition, where you had to copy a text from paper into Word |
| 23:38.26 | Legorol | the more you typed in 10 minutes, the higher score you got |
| 23:38.30 | Legorol | but you got penalised for typos |
| 23:38.37 | Legorol | got penalised a lot, actually |
| 23:38.47 | Tain | I used to be an excellent typist. I've gotten lazy over the years. |
| 23:38.52 | Legorol | so much that, it was actually worth spending the last 1 minute out of 10 running the spellchecker rather than typing :) |
| 23:38.58 | Legorol | no-one else noticed it |
| 23:39.14 | Lotlnitm | I still have a Mavis Teaches Typing somewhere :) |
| 23:39.16 | Legorol | so, although i didn't type the most, i had far less errors than anyone else, so i won by a huge margin |
| 23:39.21 | Lotlnitm | Good thinking Legorol :P |
| 23:39.31 | Tain | When I was doing data entry I used to have to take data entry tests for jobs. |
| 23:39.53 | Ktron | I had a competition with friends where we switched the layout of a keyboard inthe software only, and we copied the same text for 2 minutes into a new document (but it was garble, so we couldn't make corrections) and then tried to find out how many mistakes we each made |
| 23:39.56 | Tain | "Enter as much as you can in the time given." |
| 23:40.06 | Tain | "Ok I'm finished." "But there's more time." |
| 23:40.19 | Legorol | lol |
| 23:40.23 | Ktron | lol |
| 23:40.27 | Lotlnitm | heh |
| 23:41.01 | Cairenn | I used to have a typing speed (note, I said typing, not keyboarding) of 120 wpm |
| 23:41.11 | Tain | Data entry was a nice mindless job though at the time. Just out of high school making $8-10/hr or so. |
| 23:41.43 | Tain | Yeah Cairenn, I learned to type on actual typewriters. :) |
| 23:41.55 | Tain | With no backspace key! |
| 23:42.02 | Cairenn | and after typing on typewriters, keyboarding is a snap |
| 23:42.12 | Lotlnitm | madness |
| 23:42.23 | Legorol | the one thing that i will forever be grateful for in my secondary school (or high school) is that learning to touchtype was compulsory |
| 23:42.29 | Ktron | I think if I practiced, learned how to use my pinkies to type (I don't use them for anything but shift/control/alt etc), I could get a bit higher, but so far it hasn't been very pressing heh :) |
| 23:42.31 | Legorol | one hour a day practice was part of the school curriculum |
| 23:42.41 | Legorol | this was rather unusual at the time, still is today not that frequent |
| 23:42.49 | Legorol | if it wasn't for that, i dont' think i'd have made myself learn |
| 23:43.23 | Lotlnitm | wow, useful! |
| 23:43.29 | Lotlnitm | Very forward looking school |
| 23:43.30 | Tain | Same here Legorol. We had I think 4 days a week, about an hour each. But only for one year. |
| 23:43.31 | Legorol | thanks to that, i can type pointless rants in IRC chats at lightning speeds |
| 23:43.40 | Lotlnitm | heh |
| 23:43.42 | Legorol | yeah, one year for us too |
| 23:43.52 | Tain | Thankfully for me I was using a computer at the time anyway so it stuck with me. |
| 23:44.06 | Legorol | don't need more to learn touchtyping |
| 23:44.08 | Legorol | i think it's a bit like cyclign though |
| 23:44.09 | Ktron | I bothered with some self teaching... but MUDs really are what did it for me |
| 23:44.10 | Ktron | heh |
| 23:44.10 | Legorol | you never truly forget |
| 23:44.15 | Lotlnitm | My IT classes were mostly programming stupid lego programs and/or laughing at the teacher |
| 23:44.15 | Legorol | maybe get a bit rusty.. |
| 23:44.39 | Lotlnitm | I did enjoy playing on the BBCs though :D |
| 23:44.45 | Legorol | IT classes are a very useful thing for most people |
| 23:44.51 | Legorol | however, ther is always a geek or two in each class, |
| 23:44.58 | Ktron | try 'cast thordart' 'cast barkskin' 'get all from corpse' 'n' 'n' 'n' 'n' 'ne' 'e' 'e' 'down' 'sw' as fast as you can |
| 23:44.58 | Legorol | for whom it's total waste of time as they know more than the teacher |
| 23:45.12 | Lotlnitm | And then upgrading to playing Warcraft and Tanks! on my history teacher's apple :D |
| 23:45.13 | Legorol | thordart is painful |
| 23:45.13 | Mikk1 | Ktron: get tt++ =) |
| 23:45.23 | Ktron | tt++? |
| 23:45.25 | Mikk1 | tintin++ |
| 23:45.29 | Mikk1 | google it |
| 23:45.33 | Ktron | I used zMUD off and on, and then PortalGT |
| 23:45.42 | Mikk1 | pfff, spoiled kids these days |
| 23:45.43 | Ktron | we did have the ability to make aliases too |
| 23:45.46 | Ktron | (in game) |
| 23:45.53 | Ktron | so the most common stuff was all aliased |
| 23:46.02 | Legorol | it's scary, if you take the people in this channel and what they have in common in their past/childhood, |
| 23:46.11 | Legorol | it turns up with an awful lot of similarities.. |
| 23:46.16 | Mikk1 | plus, you forgot the magical symbols around the spell names =) |
| 23:46.18 | Legorol | not a coincidence probably :) |
| 23:46.18 | Lotlnitm | Tintin, great comics :P |
| 23:46.38 | Mikk1 | Lego: Very true, all of it =) |
| 23:46.49 | Tain | heehee I was macroing MUDs way back when. |
| 23:46.55 | Lotlnitm | Group Tank battles was absolutely amazing |
| 23:47.06 | Legorol | ok, everyone: first computer your fingers touched |
| 23:47.09 | Ktron | I looked at tintin++ but never used it... and I read some tintin, fun stuff |
| 23:47.14 | Ktron | Vic-20!! |
| 23:47.16 | Legorol | Commodore 64 for me |
| 23:47.22 | Tain | I think TRS-80. |
| 23:47.26 | Lotlnitm | Probably a BBC, had a green screen anyway |
| 23:47.37 | Mikk1 | My worst macro sent my chars around in a loop in a zone, XPing other characters. When I ran out of water, one char teleported back, bought food and water, ran in range to get summoned, and then got summoned back, distributed food, and kept killing |
| 23:47.38 | Legorol | (this was a question to secretly determine people's age :D) |
| 23:47.41 | Mikk1 | It'd run for hours >.< |
| 23:47.41 | Tain | But might have been an early Apple. Was eithe rthe TRS-80 or Apple IIe. |
| 23:47.42 | Lotlnitm | Never owned a console in my life |
| 23:48.09 | Mikk1 | Atari 600XL -> ZX Spectrum -> Vic 20 -> Commodore 64 |
| 23:48.19 | Tain | But also played with a Timex Sinclair. |
| 23:48.23 | Legorol | you are old, Mikk1 :) |
| 23:48.28 | Mikk1 | hush =) |
| 23:48.39 | Tain | First computer I owned was a TI 99/4a |
| 23:48.47 | Legorol | we used to have a ZX Spectrum, but by the time i was old enough my dad got a C64 |
| 23:48.48 | Tain | With casette tape to save programs. |
| 23:48.56 | Ktron | Vic 20 -> Amiga something -> Apple IIe -> pentiums and stuff |
| 23:48.56 | Lotlnitm | I feel like I must be the youngest one here :/ |
| 23:48.57 | Legorol | i puld the spectrum from the basement once |
| 23:49.04 | Mikk1 | Lot: You probably are =) |
| 23:49.20 | Ktron | Lotlnitm, what year were you born? |
| 23:49.22 | Mikk1 | When I got the Vic-20 I vowed to never ever touch a spectrum again |
| 23:49.23 | Legorol | ah, Kirkburn |
| 23:49.26 | Tain | C64 was the best computing I ever had though. Learned everything there. |
| 23:49.27 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 23:49.30 | Legorol | your disguise confused me |
| 23:49.33 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:49.36 | Legorol | Tain: so true |
| 23:49.42 | Cairenn | First computers? Coco, then Coco2, then TRaSh-80 |
| 23:49.42 | Ktron | Kirkburn, what year? :) |
| 23:49.42 | Legorol | i did my first experience at assembler there |
| 23:49.44 | Mikk1 | My fingertips still ache when I think of the ZX |
| 23:49.50 | Legorol | Kirkburn: probably not that young |
| 23:49.53 | Kirkburn | 1985, exactly one year before Tschernobyl went bang |
| 23:49.55 | Legorol | if you used a comp with green screenn, you are old |
| 23:50.03 | Tain | With my 300baud modem, connecting into Quantum Link, the first big multi-user online dialup service. |
| 23:50.16 | Mikk1 | Ack, my first modem was a 1200 |
| 23:50.26 | Mikk1 | Though I used puters long before I got a modem |
| 23:50.27 | Legorol | I remember when, in this C64 book i came across a section on assembly programming |
| 23:50.37 | Legorol | they had the source listed, with the hex dump next to eat |
| 23:50.37 | Ktron | Kirkburn, I win Kirk, 1986 here, 40 years and 1 day before first contact is supposed to happen according to the Star Trek movies |
| 23:50.40 | Tain | With some BBS you could "overdrive" your 300 baud modem up to 450 baud. |
| 23:50.43 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 23:50.52 | Legorol | so that a line would look like: mov a,1 0E 1F 6B |
| 23:50.53 | Legorol | or something |
| 23:50.59 | Legorol | as you would expect from a disassembler |
| 23:51.17 | Legorol | i remember trying for ages to figure out how i could get the C64 to understand the line "mov a,1" |
| 23:51.23 | Kirkburn | I should ask my mum what the computer was, I think I must have got my hands on it when I was about 4 |
| 23:51.40 | Legorol | and finally i figured out i had to use poke to place the hex codes in the memory, and ignore the human readable part :) |
| 23:51.55 | Kirkburn | Btw, have many of you actually heard of a 'BBC' computer before? |
| 23:51.59 | Legorol | yup |
| 23:52.02 | Legorol | even seen one! |
| 23:52.07 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 23:52.10 | Ktron | Are they made in London? |
| 23:52.13 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:52.21 | Ktron | or the UK? |
| 23:52.23 | Ktron | if not.... no |
| 23:52.32 | Tain | I had a cart for my C64 that would let you have an "Assembly prompt" instead of BASIC. |
| 23:52.35 | Legorol | when i was going to boarding school, friend of mine brought one in for a laugh to show it to us |
| 23:52.49 | Legorol | Tain: i eventually got something like that too |
| 23:53.06 | Kirkburn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Micro |
| 23:53.18 | Legorol | 512K ??? |
| 23:53.20 | Legorol | that's insane amounts.. |
| 23:53.24 | Tain | Ah the RAM expansion packs for the C64 were nonsense. |
| 23:53.27 | Tain | haha Fairlight |
| 23:53.27 | Legorol | 4 times the original size |
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| 23:53.35 | Kirkburn | Truly the BBC Micro was amazing |
| 23:53.36 | Tain | Sorry, I was more a fain of The Humble Guys. |
| 23:53.45 | Legorol | i do love to reminisce about the C64, because |
| 23:54.12 | Legorol | the comparison i always make is this one: C64 had 64K of memory. The size-limit on a single Java app. on a mobile phone used to be 64K. |
| 23:54.16 | Legorol | Great comparison :) |
| 23:54.18 | Kirkburn | It's always been quite nice being the one who 'knows about computers' for much of my life :P |
| 23:54.33 | Legorol | that's how much technology evolved in my lifetime |
| 23:54.36 | Tain | I did have the 1581 3.5" floppy drive for my C64. |
| 23:54.39 | Legorol | i truly think i am lucky to be alive today |
| 23:54.40 | Mikk1 | The extra RAM was accessed via a Blitzingly Fast memory copier/swapper that could move a whopping 1 byte per clock cycle |
| 23:54.41 | Kirkburn | I'm sure my family tires of it though :) |
| 23:54.47 | Mikk1 | (The clock speed was 1MHz) |
| 23:54.50 | Legorol | thinking about the past 2000 years, this has got to be one of the most fascinating times |
| 23:55.04 | Tain | Yeah the RAM expansions for the C64 were really just RAM drives though. |
| 23:55.05 | Kirkburn | Legorol, you only just escaped a mine in WWWI?? :P |
| 23:55.29 | Legorol | lol |
| 23:55.39 | Legorol | i'm glad i live *after* the WWs |
| 23:55.40 | Mikk1 | They rocked though. I wrote a REU-using assembler and machine code monitor |
| 23:55.45 | Legorol | wouldn't have wanted to live through that |
| 23:55.47 | Tain | Then of course just like half the people who owned a modem I ran a C64 BBS for years. |
| 23:55.48 | Mikk1 | Let you use all 64KB of ram for source assembly |
| 23:55.57 | Mikk1 | Was totally unheard of =) |
| 23:56.22 | Legorol | i am very excited to see what the next 20-30 years will bring |
| 23:56.28 | Tain | Well actually a C64 BBS just for a couple of years, then a BBS on my 386 for years. |
| 23:56.37 | Kirkburn | <Legorol> i'm glad i live *after* the WWs ... <Mikk1> They rocked though. .... madman! :) |
| 23:56.46 | Legorol | lol |
| 23:56.55 | Legorol | out of context quoting ftw |
| 23:57.05 | Miravlix | http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/15/199232&from=rss |
| 23:57.12 | Legorol | anyone used a Hercules monitor with an IBM-compatible PC? |
| 23:57.14 | Kirkburn | <Legorol> context quoting ftw! |
| 23:57.16 | Legorol | they had uber resolution |
| 23:57.19 | Miravlix | Farming news |
| 23:57.31 | Kirkburn | lol, that sounds interesting |
| 23:57.35 | Kirkburn | Is it abut cows? |
| 23:57.39 | Kirkburn | s/abut/about/ |
| 23:57.41 | Tain | Yeah Legorol, in fact at the time the only working C64 emulator for the PC only supported Hercules graphics. |
| 23:58.00 | Miravlix | Yes, it's about cows |
| 23:58.04 | Miravlix | big freaking cash cows |
| 23:58.05 | Miravlix | "According to the World of Warcraft website, some 30,000 accounts were banned last month - and, as a result, more than 30 million gold were removed from the economy across all realms ... |
| 23:58.06 | Kirkburn | Yay ... *runs off to look* |
| 23:58.10 | Legorol | Miravlix: old news |
| 23:58.31 | Tain | My farming legion wasn't banned though so it's ok. |
| 23:58.42 | Legorol | that's a quote of a post made on US site a while ago |
| 23:58.44 | Kirkburn | Sing with me .... *Let's do the timewarp agaaaaiiiin!* ;) |
| 23:58.51 | Kirkburn | Legorol, don't be so mean :( |
| 23:58.52 | Miravlix | Legorol: So the almighty leg has seen it before us, good for you... |
| 23:58.56 | Tain | But I don't use Asian farmers, I use Canadians. |
| 23:59.00 | Legorol | sorry :( |
| 23:59.27 | Tain | Ehn don't apologize for having seen two week old news already. |
| 23:59.44 | Kirkburn | Look! An elephant! |
| 23:59.49 | Kirkburn | LOOK AT THE ELEPHANT |
