| 00:00.22 | kaso | ha, didnt even notice them. |
| 00:00.30 | kaso | damn lousy monitor |
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| 00:28.40 | zenzio | I can't quite decide if I'd want my tombstone to read "Operation timed out" or "Remote host closed socket" :-( |
| 00:29.57 | End | Connection reset by peer |
| 00:30.37 | zenzio | no, that's too standard |
| 00:30.42 | zenzio | every IRC noob can do that |
| 00:30.53 | End | heh |
| 00:31.16 | End | me, I'd go for Segmentation fault |
| 00:32.07 | zenzio | "Received SIGTERM" |
| 00:33.06 | zenzio | or if I died from a heart attack, "Kernel panic" |
| 00:33.34 | AnduinLothar | "Death By Chocolate" will eb mine |
| 00:35.06 | zenzio | int 3 |
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| 00:39.06 | Legorol | the best funny tech support story i just read: http://wow.pastebin.com/707685 |
| 00:39.22 | Legorol | i'd been reading them funny stories for a while now, but this one's got to be the most hilarious |
| 00:39.33 | Cairenn | those* |
| 00:39.41 | Cairenn | :p |
| 00:39.47 | Wobin | ckknight: Sigh |
| 00:39.48 | Wobin | er |
| 00:39.50 | Wobin | Sigh |
| 00:39.54 | Wobin | I've been reading those |
| 00:40.00 | Wobin | They're just making me depressed =P |
| 00:45.41 | Legorol | Cairenn: yes i know, it was a deliberate word alteration |
| 00:45.51 | Legorol | those -> them |
| 00:45.51 | Cairenn | okay |
| 00:46.11 | Legorol | still, that's a funny story! |
| 00:46.28 | Legorol | how're you by the way? i haven't been around much recently |
| 00:49.37 | Cairenn | doing well enough, yourself? |
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| 01:02.08 | Legorol | fine, but very hot and wet around here.. |
| 01:02.48 | Legorol | i just had an excellent day, i had managed to get through to a technical support representative at my ISP who actually understood what i was talking about |
| 01:03.13 | Legorol | not before being connected to a call center in India twice, though |
| 01:03.44 | zenzio | always some trouble with tech support |
| 01:03.57 | Legorol | anyways i won't repeat the whole thing, you can read it if you scroll back up |
| 01:04.19 | Legorol | not worth the hassle though |
| 01:04.32 | Cairenn | read it, amusing |
| 01:04.50 | Cairenn | sad and pathetic, but amusing none the less |
| 01:05.01 | zenzio | once when our connection was about as stable as the Eiffel tower turned upside down we kept calling them and they insisted we try connecting from a Windows machine (since we use a Linux gateway) and such junk, until finally we reached some guy who said straight away that "he could see there was something very wrong" |
| 01:05.39 | Legorol | Cairenn: it was really cool, this guy actually new what an RFC is! |
| 01:05.46 | Cairenn | nice |
| 01:05.50 | Legorol | we discussed HTTP content headers, transparent proxies etc. |
| 01:06.09 | Legorol | i think i got lucky and among the endless phonecalls and being transferred i landed with a higher tier support representative |
| 01:06.42 | Legorol | at the end of the conversation he agreed taht the fault could be with their servers, and was interested in the network packets i sniffed and asked me to email them to him |
| 01:06.47 | Legorol | how cool is that for tech support |
| 01:06.51 | Legorol | so i duly complied |
| 01:06.57 | Cairenn | very very nice indeed |
| 01:07.37 | Legorol | the best part is: i complained to him how it usually takes me ages to get past the first line of their tech support defense, when i know what i'm talking about and the tech support person doesn't |
| 01:07.49 | Legorol | so he told me his name, gave me an email addy etc. i can use to contact him in the future |
| 01:07.52 | Legorol | goodie! |
| 01:08.37 | Legorol | plus he thanked me and appreciated me taking the time and diagnosing the problem with their servers :) |
| 01:08.40 | Legorol | so that just made my day |
| 01:09.02 | Legorol | usually when there's something i can figure out on my end, it's extremely frustrating when i can't get that information across to the right person |
| 01:09.26 | Legorol | that's one reason why i love WoW and UI modding and slouken |
| 01:09.31 | Legorol | he is directly accessible to us |
| 01:09.42 | Legorol | if there is something wrong, and we have enough technical details, we can easily get it to him |
| 01:09.48 | Legorol | three thumbs up |
| 01:09.55 | Legorol | ok i'll shut up now |
| 01:09.56 | Cairenn | :) |
| 01:10.21 | Legorol | oh and i also met a cool bus driver |
| 01:10.34 | Legorol | (btw, shoot me when you don't want to listen to me rant) |
| 01:10.38 | Legorol | you see, my bike broke |
| 01:10.49 | Legorol | so nowadays, whilst i figure out whether it's worth fixing or just buying a new one, |
| 01:10.52 | Legorol | i take the bus |
| 01:11.06 | Legorol | i have memorised the time table, and it's extremely frustrating when buses leave their stops too early |
| 01:11.19 | Legorol | i don't like waiting, so i tend to get there just on time for when the bus is supposed to leave |
| 01:11.25 | Legorol | but at minor stops, they don't wait around |
| 01:11.40 | Legorol | so i often just miss the bus |
| 01:11.53 | Legorol | i guess it's my fault, i could be there a few minutes earlier, accounting for them not waiting |
| 01:12.14 | Legorol | anyways, this driver today was waiting for like two minutes at the stop, just idling, because it wasn't time for him to leave just yet |
| 01:12.17 | zenzio | should always show up a minute or two ahead anyhow |
| 01:12.29 | zenzio | sooner or later your watch will be off compared to theirs |
| 01:12.30 | Legorol | yeah but i'm talking 5 minutes earlier than advertised |
| 01:12.40 | Legorol | yeah i account for potential watch mis-synchronization |
| 01:13.01 | Legorol | anyways, i went up to the driver and thanked him for waiting around |
| 01:13.09 | Legorol | and lo and behold, one guy just managed to make it to the bus |
| 01:13.14 | Legorol | he wouldn't have made it if the driver didn't idle |
| 01:13.28 | Legorol | and it wasn't just lucky, that person knew the timetable as well |
| 01:13.53 | Legorol | ok, why am i rambling about bus timetables? |
| 01:14.02 | zenzio | my watch has been remarkably on time... one of those funky ones that recharge from light. Think I bought it about three years ago now, never touched the battery |
| 01:14.05 | Legorol | i should be grinding to lvl 60.. |
| 01:14.34 | Legorol | i have a casio that i got 8 years ago, never changed battery |
| 01:14.49 | Legorol | it gets about a minute fast over about a month or so |
| 01:15.04 | zenzio | what does it recharge off; light or kinetic energy? |
| 01:15.08 | Legorol | none |
| 01:15.14 | Legorol | just a standard wristwatch |
| 01:15.15 | zenzio | O_o |
| 01:15.18 | zenzio | strong battery |
| 01:15.26 | Legorol | well i guess i'm lucky |
| 01:15.32 | Legorol | came with the watch, not like i bought it |
| 01:15.37 | Iriel | All of my fancy watches stop working far too fast |
| 01:15.40 | zenzio | I've never had a normal one last more than ~two years I *think* |
| 01:15.57 | Legorol | hey Iriel, how're things |
| 01:16.15 | zenzio | well, the only fancy part about my watch is that it recharges... I don't like the ones with a million "featuers" |
| 01:16.28 | zenzio | nor features for that matter |
| 01:16.38 | Iriel | things are far busier at work than I enjoy |
| 01:16.42 | Iriel | but newegg replaced my TV |
| 01:16.46 | Iriel | so I suppose I'm not so bad. |
| 01:16.50 | Legorol | newegg? |
| 01:17.11 | Legorol | ah it's a shop |
| 01:17.17 | Legorol | good for you |
| 01:17.24 | Iriel | Online retailer |
| 01:17.39 | Legorol | btw, was it you that suggested the idea when i was complaining about corrupt vista download that it could be my ISP's fault? |
| 01:17.42 | Legorol | i can't remember.. |
| 01:18.10 | Legorol | in case you care, the end of the story: packet sniffing revealed that my ISP's proxy server corrupts the Content-Length field of the HTTP response |
| 01:19.30 | Iriel | Yes, I suggested their proxy only knew 32 bits |
| 01:19.50 | Legorol | ah yeah thanks for that |
| 01:20.01 | Legorol | seems like you were right about that one |
| 01:20.11 | Legorol | even though, strangely enough, it can handle more than that in the Content-Range field |
| 01:20.30 | Legorol | i managed to catch a weird packet where Content-Length was corrupted, but Content-Range wasn't, and had a value greater than 32 bits |
| 01:21.04 | Legorol | (semi-)happy ending: after much phone calls and fighting, i managed to get in touch with someone at my ISP who actually understood what i'm talking about |
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| 01:21.15 | Legorol | sent him off the packet captures, and he said their server team would look at it |
| 01:21.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Nice |
| 01:21.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Who's your ISP? |
| 01:21.34 | Legorol | of course i can't expect overnight changes, if they even bother to fix their software, it would take ages for it to go live on their servers |
| 01:21.40 | Legorol | NTL in UK |
| 01:21.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Small ISP? |
| 01:22.04 | Legorol | so i still don't have vista download, but i will sleep happily knowing that the technical details reached their destination |
| 01:22.12 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: nope, this is the 2nd largest telco in the UK, after BT |
| 01:22.18 | ScytheBlade1 | geez |
| 01:22.20 | Legorol | they do cable, phone, TV, broadband, everything |
| 01:22.46 | Legorol | i think Iriel mentioned that it's not uncommon for server software to only handle 32 bits though |
| 01:22.55 | Legorol | so it's not really their fault, but whoever wrote their proxy software |
| 01:28.22 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 01:28.39 | Iriel | Older software, yes |
| 01:30.17 | Legorol | i have come across a great forum though in the process |
| 01:30.26 | Legorol | www.cableforum.co.uk |
| 01:30.39 | Legorol | it's for end users to discuss cable services in the UK, but it's mostly seemed to be focused on NTL |
| 01:30.46 | Legorol | lot's of nice stories, discussions etc. |
| 01:31.10 | Legorol | and lots of people having the same problem with vista download as me ;-) |
| 01:31.34 | Legorol | there's a thread about why NTL even bothers with transparent proxies |
| 01:31.44 | Legorol | it does cause a lot of problems, since they aren't that transparent at all |
| 01:32.12 | Legorol | for example, the proxy alters the source IP of the HTTP request, so any web service that checks the source IP is confused |
| 01:32.28 | Legorol | as a result, i have trouble downloading from rapidshare, but more importantly, I can't log in to www.thottbot.com |
| 01:33.46 | Legorol | I still don't have the vista beta btw... I dont' suppose anyone knows a 3rd party proxy address that I could use and waste 4 gigs of bandwidth on? :) |
| 01:33.58 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.vistatorrent.com/ |
| 01:34.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh right |
| 01:34.05 | ScytheBlade1 | You need the x64 |
| 01:38.20 | Legorol | yay, they actually have it now |
| 01:38.25 | Legorol | they didn't yesterday |
| 01:38.36 | Legorol | let the swarm begin! |
| 01:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:39.37 | ScytheBlade1 | problem solved ;) |
| 01:40.11 | zenzio | remember not to try to save on a FAT32 partition |
| 01:40.31 | Legorol | :) |
| 01:53.06 | ckknight | back |
| 01:59.07 | zenzio | is there any way to turn the WoW cursor invisible? (other than moving it to the very edge of the screen) |
| 02:01.46 | ckknight | in 1.11 |
| 02:02.03 | ckknight | you can change the cursor to arbitrary images |
| 02:02.04 | ckknight | afaik |
| 02:02.15 | Iriel | Yes, indeed |
| 02:02.26 | Iriel | In 1.11 you can, before 1.11 you can't |
| 02:02.26 | zenzio | such as a blank one then? |
| 02:02.39 | zenzio | pure alpha |
| 02:03.33 | Iriel | That'd be the thing to use, yup |
| 02:03.50 | zenzio | neat, cheers |
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| 02:12.40 | Legorol | is there a quick and easy way to convert hex string into numbers in Lua? |
| 02:12.53 | ckknight | tonumber("ff", 16) == 255 |
| 02:12.55 | ckknight | afaik |
| 02:13.17 | ckknight | yep |
| 02:14.01 | Legorol | ah yeah thanks |
| 02:17.06 | AnduinLothar | yeah, and i think there's a Sea.string.toHex but i think it does it manually, which is silly and should be changed |
| 02:18.31 | Legorol | and what about the reverse, converting a number to a string in a particular base? |
| 02:19.02 | Iriel | > return string.format("%.2x", 200) |
| 02:19.05 | Iriel | c8 |
| 02:19.23 | Legorol | umm.. what's the .2 and the x? |
| 02:19.30 | Legorol | i am not looking for base 16, but arbitrary base |
| 02:19.50 | AnduinLothar | x is to hex i believe |
| 02:19.58 | Iriel | You need to do it yourself for other bases |
| 02:20.01 | Legorol | that's what i was afraid of |
| 02:20.05 | Iriel | It's remarkably easy though |
| 02:20.24 | AnduinLothar | did find that you can round easily using format too |
| 02:20.31 | zenzio | must... refrain from... all your base... |
| 02:20.35 | Legorol | lol |
| 02:20.45 | AnduinLothar | to an arbitrary decimal place |
| 02:21.21 | ckknight | ~moredots |
| 02:21.23 | purl | handle it! |
| 02:22.05 | AnduinLothar | tonumber(format("%."..decimalplaces.."f", num)) |
| 02:23.20 | AnduinLothar | easir that multiplying 10 by the decplaces and dividing from the number before and after a +.5 floor |
| 02:24.03 | AnduinLothar | not that that's at all useful to you |
| 02:25.04 | AnduinLothar | Sea.math has intFromHex and hexFromInt |
| 02:25.18 | Legorol | meh, how about an easy way to replace the nth character of a string with something else? |
| 02:25.27 | Iriel | Legorol : Strings are immutable |
| 02:25.32 | Legorol | do i have to do string.sub(1,n-1)..c..string.sub(n+1) |
| 02:25.35 | Iriel | Legorol : So it's 2 substrings and 2 concats |
| 02:25.39 | Iriel | yes |
| 02:25.41 | Legorol | eek |
| 02:25.45 | Legorol | ok |
| 02:25.53 | AnduinLothar | could regex it, but why.. |
| 02:25.54 | Iriel | it's 2 substrings and one big concat when it's executed |
| 02:26.11 | Iriel | So about as efficient as you can get |
| 02:26.45 | Legorol | darn, i wish string.sub(s,-0) would return empty string |
| 02:27.11 | Legorol | actually, why doesn't it? |
| 02:27.28 | Legorol | since sub(s,1) is the whole string, sub(s,-1) is last char, shouldn't sub(s,0) be empty string? |
| 02:27.36 | AnduinLothar | nil, isn't it? |
| 02:27.45 | Legorol | no, sub(s,0) returns whole string |
| 02:28.05 | AnduinLothar | sub(s,0,0)? |
| 02:28.08 | Iriel | because -0 is 0 |
| 02:28.17 | Legorol | yeah.. |
| 02:28.27 | Legorol | but why does sub(s,0) get the whole string, when so does sub(s,1)? |
| 02:28.58 | Legorol | well that's how it works, so i have to code around it.. |
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| 02:36.43 | Cairenn | Oh |
| 02:36.44 | Cairenn | My |
| 02:36.48 | Cairenn | Gawd! |
| 02:36.54 | Cairenn | you have GOT to see this! |
| 02:36.57 | Cairenn | http://www.farmers.com/FarmComm/WebSite/html/FLV/LordOfMishap.html |
| 02:37.47 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 02:41.34 | Cairenn | can you say "undead mage"? |
| 02:41.45 | ckknight_ | hehe. |
| 02:41.55 | ckknight_ | I was thinking he was an Eredar |
| 02:41.57 | Cairenn | hey! ckknight_! |
| 02:41.58 | AnduinLothar | looks kinda like a character in DotA |
| 02:42.04 | ckknight_ | hey? |
| 02:42.38 | Cairenn | gimmah an option to turn OFF all the money details! I just want to have the nice little total display on my bar |
| 02:42.52 | Cairenn | I don't want all the rest of that stuff, dun care about it, let me turn it off |
| 02:43.01 | Cairenn | pretty please? |
| 02:43.24 | ckknight | you have the nice little display |
| 02:43.31 | ckknight | you want it to not show as much in the tooltip? |
| 02:43.37 | Cairenn | yup |
| 02:43.44 | Cairenn | all the stuff when you mouse over |
| 02:43.55 | Cairenn | it can all just go away, don't care about any of it |
| 02:44.10 | Cairenn | and definitely the per hour junk |
| 02:44.16 | ckknight | um, don't move your mouse over it |
| 02:44.25 | ckknight | and tada, no more issue |
| 02:44.47 | Cairenn | annoying when moving mouse up to mouse over something else and get that thing |
| 02:45.21 | ckknight | it goes away as soon as you mouse off |
| 02:45.24 | Cairenn | I imagine some people love it, and that's great, but allow the option to turn off stuff you don't want |
| 02:46.06 | ckknight | so you don't want a tooltip at all or what? |
| 02:47.01 | Cairenn | it wasn't "so" bad when it was just the amount, but the per hour stuff really drives me crazy |
| 02:47.22 | Tain | Yeah actually I'd like a no tooltip option. |
| 02:47.22 | ckknight | lol, why's that? |
| 02:47.31 | ckknight | information overload? |
| 02:47.38 | AnduinLothar | silly minimalists |
| 02:47.39 | ckknight | Tain, just don't mouse over |
| 02:47.48 | zenzio | if everything was meant to have tooltips they would never vanish |
| 02:47.49 | AnduinLothar | or make it OnClick |
| 02:47.52 | ckknight | I won't have there be no tooltip |
| 02:47.56 | Tain | ckknight do you really honestly feel that's a solution? |
| 02:47.59 | Tain | Dont' mouse over? |
| 02:48.03 | ckknight | yes? |
| 02:48.06 | Tain | Ok. |
| 02:48.10 | Cairenn | it really isn't =/ |
| 02:48.11 | Tain | Just checking. |
| 02:48.18 | ckknight | that's the only time tooltips show up |
| 02:48.21 | Tain | "Doctor it hurts when I do this!" "Don't do that." |
| 02:48.21 | ckknight | when yuo interact |
| 02:48.26 | ckknight | you* |
| 02:48.47 | Cairenn | I don't mind seeing what my totals are on each of my characters, but the "how much I made today, yesterday, last week /per hour" I could care less |
| 02:49.04 | ckknight | hrm |
| 02:49.05 | zenzio | couldn't |
| 02:49.06 | Tain | Actually ckknight it's really a lot better for you to just say, "I won't do it." than try to justify why other people are wrong for wanting it. |
| 02:49.12 | ckknight | I'll add that option, Cairenn |
| 02:49.18 | Cairenn | thank you |
| 02:49.28 | ckknight | Tain, I won't do it: I'm sleepy. |
| 02:49.29 | Cairenn | so you'll allow the option to turn off all the rest of the stuff? |
| 02:49.42 | ckknight | Cairenn, I'll have a "simple" tooltip option |
| 02:49.47 | Cairenn | wonderful |
| 02:50.07 | ckknight | that'll show your money amount, and your realm's total amount |
| 02:50.08 | ckknight | likely |
| 02:50.37 | Cairenn | that would be lovely, thank you |
| 02:50.58 | ckknight | I have to go to a Rotary meeting soon, though... |
| 02:51.05 | ckknight | Cairenn, file a feature request |
| 02:51.08 | ckknight | otherwise I'll forget |
| 02:51.11 | Cairenn | will do |
| 02:52.37 | ckknight | I've been neglecting FuBar lately :-P |
| 02:52.42 | ckknight | working on Ace2 and whatnot |
| 02:53.20 | ckknight | I have been fixing people's bugs in the svn, though |
| 02:53.24 | ckknight | I should release |
| 02:53.27 | ckknight | but it's such a pain... |
| 02:54.05 | AnduinLothar | automate it |
| 02:54.20 | ckknight | I have been, AnduinLothar |
| 02:54.27 | ckknight | it zips and makes a changelog |
| 02:54.32 | ckknight | I still have to upload, though |
| 02:54.39 | AnduinLothar | automate that :P |
| 02:55.03 | ckknight | you know what? |
| 02:55.07 | ckknight | I've been trying |
| 02:55.14 | ckknight | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4685 |
| 02:57.07 | ckknight | I originally posted that request on 4-29-2006 |
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| 02:58.29 | ckknight_ | gah |
| 02:58.33 | fatbrain | Hello, any good resto 1.11 builds out there? |
| 02:58.34 | AnduinLothar | what was a few weeks ago |
| 02:58.35 | fatbrain | (shaman) |
| 02:58.35 | ckknight_ | <ckknight> I've been trying |
| 02:58.37 | ckknight_ | <ckknight> http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4685 |
| 02:58.39 | ckknight_ | <ckknight> I originally posted that request on 4-29-2006 |
| 02:58.44 | Gryphen | curl? |
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| 03:01.10 | AnduinLothar | when you get it working make a simple command line uploader and we can automate our own setups |
| 03:01.21 | ckknight | right |
| 03:01.23 | ckknight | that was the plan |
| 03:01.26 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 03:01.30 | ckknight | but it's not up to me |
| 03:01.39 | AnduinLothar | right, you're waiting on dolby |
| 03:01.41 | ckknight | it's in Dolby's hands for now |
| 03:02.05 | ckknight | unless I set up a rival addon site and somehow get everyone to migrate over |
| 03:02.07 | ckknight | :-P |
| 03:02.11 | ckknight | but that'd take effort |
| 03:02.13 | ckknight | and bandwidth |
| 03:02.30 | AnduinLothar | that would be fairly sexy and might motivate me to actually revision my standalones rather than do it manually |
| 03:02.44 | ckknight | yea, mine's hooked up to the SV?N |
| 03:02.45 | ckknight | SVN* |
| 03:02.58 | ckknight | generates changelogs from it and everything |
| 03:03.05 | Gryphen | same with ours ;) |
| 03:03.10 | ckknight | alright |
| 03:03.24 | AnduinLothar | yeah, I have most of mine in the Cosmos SVN, but all my non-cosmos standalones i still do manually |
| 03:03.38 | ckknight | all my stuff is on Ace's svn |
| 03:03.42 | ckknight | even my libs |
| 03:03.42 | AnduinLothar | dealing with optional and embeddable dependancies is a pain |
| 03:03.46 | ckknight | which aren't ace connected |
| 03:03.54 | ckknight | svn:external ftw. |
| 03:03.59 | AnduinLothar | doesn't work |
| 03:04.06 | ckknight | works for me ;-) |
| 03:04.09 | AnduinLothar | not when you jsut need to change the toc |
| 03:04.27 | ckknight | what about the toc? |
| 03:04.52 | AnduinLothar | svn:externals only work for directories and not single files afaik |
| 03:04.57 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:05.04 | ckknight | that's why my libs all have a Lib folder in them |
| 03:05.14 | AnduinLothar | right, but how do you load them? |
| 03:05.30 | ckknight | Spell\BabbleLib-Spell.lua in the toc |
| 03:05.45 | ckknight | or what have you |
| 03:05.48 | AnduinLothar | ok, and packaging without the embeddable? |
| 03:05.54 | ckknight | with the embeddable |
| 03:05.59 | ckknight | svn external to http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/BabbleLib/Spell/ |
| 03:06.00 | AnduinLothar | that's what i'ms aying |
| 03:06.18 | AnduinLothar | Cosmos addons don't use embeddables, but my standablones do |
| 03:06.25 | ckknight | hrm |
| 03:06.41 | AnduinLothar | the only difference is usually a line in the toc to load it and the embedable folder in the addon dir |
| 03:06.48 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:06.50 | ckknight | pretty much |
| 03:06.58 | AnduinLothar | but i can't just change the toc easily |
| 03:07.00 | Gryphen | just leave the line there whether its in cos or not |
| 03:07.15 | ckknight | pretty much |
| 03:07.17 | AnduinLothar | still need to add reqdeps |
| 03:07.18 | ckknight | no harm no foul that way |
| 03:07.25 | AnduinLothar | from optdeps |
| 03:07.29 | ckknight | hrm |
| 03:08.33 | AnduinLothar | no way i can find to do that with svn, would have to write a shell script |
| 03:09.06 | AnduinLothar | and then checkout would be a pain |
| 03:10.08 | AnduinLothar | that's why i haven't versioned it |
| 03:10.18 | Legorol | there is a way, but you won't like it |
| 03:10.29 | Legorol | have all the AddOns' files, except the toc, in a subdirectory |
| 03:10.35 | Legorol | then you can external the whole addon |
| 03:10.46 | Legorol | and just have a different toc |
| 03:10.48 | Legorol | it's ugly though |
| 03:10.53 | ckknight | quite ugly |
| 03:10.53 | AnduinLothar | possible. but yes, ugly |
| 03:11.22 | AnduinLothar | ok, off to study for finals |
| 03:11.27 | Legorol | but frankly, i think the current system is over-stretching the boundaries of svn:externals |
| 03:11.29 | Legorol | good luck |
| 03:11.51 | Legorol | i'm frantically thinking of a better way to do it |
| 03:11.53 | Cairenn | later AnduinLothar, good luck |
| 03:12.43 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 03:13.16 | Tain | I do think people should be tagging versions on the Ace svn and using svn:external to a specific tag. Too much assumption that what's in trunk is just going to work. |
| 03:14.36 | Legorol | does anyone know the reason why svn up isn't recursive? |
| 03:14.46 | Legorol | i mean |
| 03:14.50 | Legorol | what do i mean.. |
| 03:14.53 | Legorol | nvm |
| 03:17.06 | Legorol | no comment |
| 03:17.46 | Tain | I'm just so relieved to have my Linux system back up and running I could weep. |
| 03:18.56 | Legorol | good job Tain |
| 03:19.10 | Legorol | was it very messed up |
| 03:19.34 | Tain | I have to buy a new system. I was having trouble with a drive that has almost 300gb of stuff I want with no backups. |
| 03:19.52 | Tain | I really need to just spend the money and create a RAID system. |
| 03:20.30 | Legorol | is it really 300 gb that is totally irreplacable? |
| 03:20.40 | Tain | Nah, just annoying if I lose it. |
| 03:20.43 | Legorol | i found that most of my stuff is ok if it gets lost |
| 03:20.47 | Tain | A lot of time invested. |
| 03:20.55 | Legorol | but i have some important data that i wouldn't want to lose |
| 03:21.04 | Legorol | so i just do small automatic backups of the important stuff |
| 03:21.10 | Tain | 200gb is MP3s from my DVDs that I spent many hours ripping. |
| 03:21.19 | Tain | er CDs |
| 03:21.20 | Legorol | ok, let's say you download movies.. not worth backing up, imho |
| 03:21.22 | Tain | Not DVDs. |
| 03:21.24 | Legorol | eventually archive, yes |
| 03:21.36 | Legorol | but archiving and backing up is not the same |
| 03:22.07 | Legorol | 200 gb? whoah, that's a lot of music |
| 03:22.13 | Legorol | i think all of mine would fit on a DVD or two |
| 03:22.26 | Tain | Yeah I have a lot of CDs. |
| 03:22.39 | Tain | So obviously if I lose the drive I don't lose the music. |
| 03:22.41 | Legorol | *cough* and were busy downloading? |
| 03:22.56 | Legorol | hm, i wonder how many CDs are 200gb |
| 03:22.59 | Tain | I've actually bought almost anything I've d/led and liked. |
| 03:23.05 | Legorol | about 100 Mb max for a CD, would you say? |
| 03:23.07 | Legorol | or less |
| 03:23.25 | Legorol | let's say more like 60 Mb |
| 03:23.28 | Tain | Most CDs would average 50-70 MB |
| 03:23.39 | Legorol | that'd be over 3400 CDs |
| 03:24.04 | Legorol | i can understand why you wouldn't want to rip them again :) |
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| 03:24.38 | Tain | I did put them in binders and toss out the cases, at least. |
| 03:25.22 | Legorol | i wonder how much music is that in terms of play time |
| 03:25.34 | Legorol | a CD is say what, an hour long? |
| 03:25.37 | Legorol | not even that probably |
| 03:25.51 | Legorol | let's say an hour |
| 03:26.17 | Legorol | nice, it'd take you 425 hours to listen to it all, if listening 8 hours a day |
| 03:26.18 | Tain | Yeah I generally assume about an hour. |
| 03:26.26 | Legorol | 425 days i mean |
| 03:26.39 | Tain | I like having a variety available. :) |
| 03:26.50 | Legorol | fair enough |
| 03:28.02 | Tain | I was having a good discussion with a friend this weekend, he's of the opinion that CDs will be obsolete within the next few years and digital distribution will really start to become primary. |
| 03:28.39 | Tain | I do think it will take longer than a couple of years, but I do have to believe it will be the case eventually. |
| 03:29.43 | Legorol | CDs will be obsolete for other reasons too |
| 03:29.50 | Legorol | they actually don't last longer than about 5 years |
| 03:30.08 | Legorol | in terms of reliability of storage media for archiving purposes, the most durable is paper |
| 03:30.15 | Legorol | than LPs and stuff |
| 03:30.19 | Legorol | than magnetic media like tapes |
| 03:30.24 | Legorol | CDs are really poor |
| 03:31.02 | Legorol | of course paper has a problem with water, fire, wind and dirt... you gotta love the elements |
| 03:31.08 | Legorol | apart from that it's the best one |
| 03:31.44 | Legorol | i'm goin to start archiving my videos on paper, i tell you! |
| 03:32.06 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:33.20 | Tain | haha |
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| 04:22.49 | Tem | lol... |
| 04:23.23 | Tem | so we just found the Chrommaggus-pull-the-entire-instance-at-once bug |
| 04:23.43 | Tem | lab packs + 4 bosses = fun |
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| 04:27.31 | Codayus | Heh |
| 04:35.05 | Cairenn | ckknight: http://ckknight.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=54&a=viewfeature&featureid=893 |
| 04:59.00 | Cairenn | *apparently* Kael has his IRC stuff sorted out, so I've removed his ban ... we'll see how it goes tomorrow |
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| 05:10.31 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | If not, I hope that he at least got it working so we can shut him down :D |
| 05:11.08 | End | hehe |
| 05:11.10 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:11.29 | Cairenn | well, if it starts up again, he just gets banned again |
| 05:13.58 | Cairenn | Otoh, you almost have to admire the makers of whichever IRC client he had been using. Rather an effective way to deal with people using cracked versions of their software, I'd think. Nothing like publicly embarrassing them, along with making them an extreme annoyance. |
| 05:17.29 | ScytheBlade1 | On the flip side |
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| 05:17.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Good luck getting people to use it |
| 05:17.43 | Cairenn | true |
| 05:18.16 | Cairenn | I know I certainly wouldn't, after having been subjected to that. |
| 05:18.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
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| 05:22.42 | Cairenn | If I weren't quite so tired and yucky feeling, it could almost be an interesting topic for discussion/debate, but I am, indeed, too tired and yucky feeling |
| 05:27.18 | ckknight | back |
| 05:27.30 | ckknight | hrm, Rotary was good tonight |
| 05:29.45 | Cairenn | good to hear |
| 05:29.57 | ckknight | yep |
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| 05:39.35 | Cairenn | ckknight: posted the feature request |
| 05:39.59 | Cairenn | not sure if that was still in your buffer or not |
| 05:42.40 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:42.43 | ckknight | saw it |
| 05:42.46 | Cairenn | k |
| 05:42.51 | ckknight | I have an rss feed to it |
| 05:43.02 | ckknight | btw, there should be a feed to the admin part |
| 05:43.16 | ckknight | so I don't have to go to the admin part and find it again |
| 05:43.27 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3699 ;) |
| 05:43.34 | ckknight | also, why can't I change the status of feature requests while in the request? |
| 05:43.45 | ckknight | like I can with bug reports |
| 05:44.23 | ckknight | Cairenn, sorry, don't feel like it |
| 05:44.45 | Cairenn | well, hopefully Dolby-wowi will see this then |
| 05:44.58 | ckknight | he hasn't fixed other things I've pointed out |
| 05:45.15 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 05:45.22 | Esamynn | oops, sorry |
| 05:45.24 | ckknight | so I doubt he'll fix that. |
| 05:45.26 | Cairenn | what's with the 'tud? |
| 05:45.52 | ckknight | tud? |
| 05:45.56 | Cairenn | attitude |
| 05:46.03 | ckknight | ah |
| 05:46.47 | ckknight | well, as I said, Dolby, though he has fixed some things, the other parts I've pointed out haven't been fixed, so I feel it's honestly not worth my time to report something that won't change (based on past experience) |
| 05:46.48 | Cairenn | you do realize that Dolby has an actual life and job outside the sites, right? and that he does all the coding completely by himself for 4 different sites, right? |
| 05:47.21 | Cairenn | so, he has fixed some things, but they don't count? |
| 05:47.30 | ckknight | not if they make up the minority |
| 05:47.39 | ckknight | I like to work with percentaes |
| 05:47.42 | ckknight | percentages* |
| 05:47.48 | Cairenn | only the things that he hasn't had the opportunity to fix as of yet count? |
| 05:47.49 | ckknight | I do commend him for the things he has done |
| 05:48.29 | ckknight | I don't know why you're so aggressive, I'm merely being pragmatic |
| 05:49.21 | Cairenn | so, the various bug reports and feature requests that have been made of you which haven't dealt with as of yet count for more than the stuff you have done? as for my "aggression", that came after you decided to start slamming Dolby who works his ass off for you |
| 05:49.31 | Cairenn | (you being all users of our sites) |
| 05:50.30 | ckknight | I don't want to start an argument |
| 05:50.57 | ckknight | my words might stir up too many emotions and hurt feelings |
| 05:58.41 | Esamynn | O_o who sedated the Chipmunk? |
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| 05:59.39 | Esamynn | oh well, night all |
| 05:59.44 | Cairenn | night Esamynn |
| 06:00.25 | Dolby-wowi | ckknight, i read all bug / feature reports. make a list and do the ones I feel will effect the most amount of people first. :) |
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| 06:01.34 | Dolby-wowi | when i fix something or add something i don't always post that's its been done |
| 06:01.34 | Dolby-wowi | something i should really do |
| 06:03.32 | Dolby-wowi | you should be able to change the status of a feature request when viewing it when in the admin view. I guess i could add that drop down to the non admin view too |
| 06:04.32 | ckknight | nope. |
| 06:06.05 | Dolby-wowi | wow now I'm going crazy, your right |
| 06:06.11 | Dolby-wowi | how the heck did that happen |
| 06:06.30 | ckknight | it irks the hell out of me |
| 06:06.42 | Dolby-wowi | fix it in a sec |
| 06:06.50 | Dolby-wowi | its a template problem |
| 06:07.01 | Dolby-wowi | the code to do it is there in the php |
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| 06:09.26 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:09.34 | ckknight | hey |
| 06:09.48 | Cairenn | hey s|loup |
| 06:17.13 | Wobin | JoshBorke: You about? |
| 06:18.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo |
| 06:18.32 | ScytheBlade1 | The frost mage in my guild just gave me rank 12 fireball |
| 06:19.26 | Dolby-wowi | ckknight, the selector is now in Feature Requests. It was there awhile ago but i must have did something to that template. |
| 06:20.32 | Dolby-wowi | took me a little bit to rebuild the selector box. hehe |
| 06:23.09 | Cairenn | s|loup: you can only post on the EU forums, correct? |
| 06:23.14 | ckknight | hooray |
| 06:23.20 | s|loup | yes |
| 06:23.45 | ckknight | um, why did one of my feature requests change to "Currently being worked on"? |
| 06:24.00 | Dolby-wowi | sorry, forgot to change it back |
| 06:24.11 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 06:24.13 | Dolby-wowi | was just testing |
| 06:25.42 | Dolby-wowi | doh, i see a bug now |
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| 06:27.46 | ckknight | I posted this up: More RSS feeds. for ones own portal, I'd like to be able to have links directly to the admin section instead of the normal section. Failing that, I'd like a direct link from a normal page to the admin page. I'd also like a feed for bug/request comments. |
| 06:29.16 | ckknight | also a feed for comments on your addons themselves would be handy as well |
| 06:29.34 | ckknight | I know Curse can send you an aggregate email every day that has all your comments and whatnot |
| 06:29.54 | ckknight | that'd be a reasonable alternative as well |
| 06:30.50 | ckknight | oh, and a paypal logo deal could be handy, I think ui.wow put that up after Curse did |
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| 06:31.00 | ckknight | that's all I can think of for now |
| 06:31.02 | ckknight | hey Elkano |
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| 06:33.44 | Cairenn | s|loup: he asks that you post it on the Blizz EU UI forums and give me a link, then I'll cross post it to the US side so he can respond |
| 06:33.53 | Cairenn | *shrug* |
| 06:33.58 | s|loup | kk |
| 06:34.28 | s|loup | its regardless which eu forum? |
| 06:34.40 | Cairenn | the UI one, please |
| 06:34.56 | s|loup | k just asking for uk, ger or french ;) |
| 06:35.05 | Cairenn | oh, don't care |
| 06:35.24 | Cairenn | just post it in English though, please, don't believe he can speak german or french |
| 06:35.37 | s|loup | ok |
| 06:36.17 | ckknight | oh yea, in my addon, there's an edit button for all the comments, yet when I edit one that's not my own, it goes to an unauthorized page. Likely, the edit button shouldn't be there at all |
| 06:36.38 | Elkano | ho ck :) |
| 06:38.57 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi: that was directed to you |
| 06:39.51 | Dolby-wowi | really Cairenn? =p didn't have irc to the front |
| 06:40.00 | Cairenn | :p |
| 06:40.42 | Cairenn | that's why I said your name, so you'd get beeped |
| 06:41.14 | Dolby-wowi | don't have a bleeper |
| 06:41.16 | Dolby-wowi | hehe |
| 06:41.22 | Cairenn | silly boy |
| 06:42.17 | ckknight | beep. |
| 06:42.22 | ckknight | ~moredots |
| 06:42.28 | purl | hit it like you mean it! |
| 06:42.30 | Elkano | nice :) http://www.aharef.info/static/htmlgraph/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wowinterface.com |
| 06:42.32 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 06:43.34 | Elkano | btw: dolby, the comments on the download page still have the problem that you are taken to the last page instead of the latest post after you posted sth |
| 06:44.07 | ckknight | yea |
| 06:44.15 | ckknight | that's also odd |
| 06:44.31 | ckknight | whenever I comment, I see the comment that says "I love you" |
| 06:44.45 | ckknight | although it brightens my day, I'd really prefer to see the front instead of the back |
| 06:44.54 | Elkano | according to the link it tries to do it right, but it doesn't |
| 06:45.17 | s|loup | Cairenn cant post on forums because maintenance i will post in in the evening and give you the link in query |
| 06:45.24 | Cairenn | right |
| 06:45.26 | Cairenn | okay |
| 06:45.37 | Dolby-wowi | what template are you using Elkano? |
| 06:45.51 | Dolby-wowi | it brings me to the front page for me |
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| 06:46.30 | Dolby-wowi | [wednesday 01:44AM] ckknight: whenever I comment, I see the comment that says "I love you" |
| 06:46.31 | Dolby-wowi | [wednesday 01:44AM] ckknight: although it brightens my day, I'd really prefer to see the front instead of the back |
| 06:46.35 | Dolby-wowi | I'll fix in a sec |
| 06:46.38 | Dolby-wowi | easy |
| 06:46.42 | Dolby-wowi | was an oversight hehe |
| 06:46.43 | ckknight | figured :-) |
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| 06:47.39 | Dolby-wowi | ckknight, with the edit button. does it only show on comments under your mods? |
| 06:47.52 | Elkano | Dolby-wowi, I use the default one |
| 06:48.31 | Dolby-wowi | is there a comment in the lastest comment box on the front page of the downloads area that does it now for you? |
| 06:50.38 | Elkano | these links seem to work fine |
| 06:51.10 | Dolby-wowi | there are some comments that are multipage on that list and it works fine |
| 06:51.14 | ckknight | Dolby-wowi, no, on all comments |
| 06:51.25 | Dolby-wowi | this was an issue that i fixed about 2 - 3 weeks ago |
| 06:51.41 | Dolby-wowi | different issue ckk |
| 06:51.47 | Dolby-wowi | just fixed your issue |
| 06:51.57 | Dolby-wowi | on posting a comment and being redirected |
| 06:53.30 | Dolby-wowi | let me check the template, the site does use different links when cookies are disabled and the site needs a session hash in the url to keep track of ya |
| 06:54.29 | Elkano | ok, dolby, it's working :) |
| 06:54.40 | Dolby-wowi | hmm nope the link is fine there too... when did you experience the problem Elkano |
| 06:55.41 | Elkano | as I said: when posting a comment on a download tht has multiple pages. but right now it did work :) |
| 06:56.07 | Dolby-wowi | ohhhh that issue i fixed 2min ago |
| 06:56.09 | Dolby-wowi | hehe |
| 06:58.07 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 06:59.14 | kaso| | What's the targetting range on wow? |
| 06:59.32 | s|loup | 40-60 yards i think |
| 06:59.37 | Elkano | Dolby-wowi, could have been fixed since weeks ;) http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4658 |
| 07:00.05 | s|loup | maybe more depending on the visibility? |
| 07:00.40 | kaso| | I thought there was a fixed distance that targetted units dis-targetted if they whent out of and they're models stop rendering etc |
| 07:00.54 | Elkano | click or tab targeting? |
| 07:01.09 | Dolby-wowi | Elkano, havent really had time until now |
| 07:01.11 | kaso| | im talking about TargetUnit ing |
| 07:01.20 | Dolby-wowi | was in fixing other things figured I'd do this too |
| 07:02.14 | Elkano | nvm :) |
| 07:04.50 | Elkano | is it true that flight paths beneft from eg carrot on a stick? |
| 07:04.57 | Cairenn | yes |
| 07:05.08 | Cairenn | or rather, I know they did back in beta |
| 07:05.10 | Wobin | Really? |
| 07:05.11 | Wobin | wow |
| 07:05.42 | Cairenn | really |
| 07:06.54 | MoonWolf | mounts should be sprintable , the taxi mounts too. |
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| 07:08.10 | Elkano | btw: it seems like today is 'international child labour day'... so get to work brat... |
| 07:08.41 | MoonWolf | i'm 19! |
| 07:09.53 | Elkano | wasn't ment on a specific persion, just sth that came to my mind :) |
| 07:11.09 | ckknight | congrats, MoonWolf |
| 07:11.17 | MoonWolf | ? |
| 07:11.23 | ckknight | oh |
| 07:11.26 | krka|work | lol |
| 07:11.28 | ckknight | thought it was your birthday or something |
| 07:11.33 | MoonWolf | nooo |
| 07:11.35 | krka|work | best misinterpretation ever :) |
| 07:11.38 | MoonWolf | thats 24 december. |
| 07:12.40 | Dolby-wowi | apple is using child labor so it must be ok |
| 07:12.47 | Industrial | o_O |
| 07:12.55 | ckknight | for some reason my mum came in and tried to take an interest in what I was doing, so I showed her the code to AceLibrary and AceOO |
| 07:12.57 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 07:13.19 | Industrial | lol |
| 07:13.24 | krka|work | did she approve? |
| 07:13.26 | Dolby-wowi | http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MTk1MTMsLCxobmV3cywsLDE= |
| 07:13.51 | Industrial | My dad stopped taking interest in what I do with the comupter (hes senior technical specialist) |
| 07:14.28 | Industrial | but maybe thats because i tell him how i 'gank newbz for kicks in teh bee gee' |
| 07:14.28 | ckknight | krka, yea, she made my dad look at it, too |
| 07:14.46 | ckknight | yesterday, I explained to her what an "algorithm" is. She still can't pronounce it |
| 07:14.51 | MoonWolf | indu :O |
| 07:15.15 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 07:16.14 | MoonWolf | ckknight, tell her more and she is going to think your a 1337 h4xxZor |
| 07:16.39 | ckknight | she already knows I'm "special" |
| 07:16.50 | Industrial | kek |
| 07:16.53 | Industrial | burlol :P |
| 07:17.43 | Elkano | btw, moonwolf, I should slap tekkub a bit for using 'recepie' instead of 'recipe', shouldn't I? |
| 07:18.01 | ckknight | yes. |
| 07:18.15 | Cairenn | yes |
| 07:18.18 | MoonWolf | YES |
| 07:18.44 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 07:20.04 | AnduinLothar | ah, but you are special |
| 07:20.09 | Wobin | YES |
| 07:20.12 | AnduinLothar | in a normal sort of way |
| 07:20.59 | Elkano | btw: in mendeleev, when generating the 'used in recipe' list, you have a nested check on z |
| 07:21.37 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, when I went to school, we had short buses |
| 07:21.39 | ckknight | fun fact |
| 07:22.16 | AnduinLothar | in jr. high it depended on how many children lived on the route. I was one of the furthest away and rode a long bus |
| 07:22.31 | ckknight | hrm |
| 07:22.34 | ckknight | okay |
| 07:22.38 | AnduinLothar | in high school i rode the city bus before i got a car |
| 07:22.38 | krka|work | everyone is special! |
| 07:22.43 | MoonWolf | Elkano, wowi portal. |
| 07:22.46 | ckknight | krka, if everyone is special, no one is. |
| 07:22.54 | AnduinLothar | normal people are |
| 07:22.56 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, I went to boarding school |
| 07:23.11 | AnduinLothar | there were boards at my school.. |
| 07:23.12 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, obviously you didn't catch the Ayn Randian reference |
| 07:23.31 | AnduinLothar | in fact, i sat on a board |
| 07:23.51 | AnduinLothar | sometimes when i was bored i sat on a board at lunch too |
| 07:24.15 | ckknight | yea, but my parents kicked me out at 13, shipped me across the country, then I went to regular school for a year, then I went to a "special" school, that was also a boarding school, for 3 years |
| 07:24.17 | ckknight | good times |
| 07:24.23 | AnduinLothar | the choir rafters were made out of boards too |
| 07:24.31 | ckknight | you mature a lot without parents watching out for you |
| 07:25.03 | MoonWolf | try having a malicous stepmother who thinks she knows spychology. |
| 07:25.09 | AnduinLothar | i matured in some areas and not in others and now i try and avoid it all together |
| 07:25.14 | MoonWolf | that will a. mature you the hell up b. fuck you up for life. |
| 07:25.22 | MoonWolf | c. both. |
| 07:25.27 | Industrial | at 13.. what did id do at 13... oh i remember! my first joint! |
| 07:25.27 | Elkano | moonwolf, it's not a bug only not needed :) noticed it because I was going to look into building a treeview |
| 07:25.34 | ckknight | lol, Industrial |
| 07:25.41 | MoonWolf | Industrial, i was 14. |
| 07:25.45 | ckknight | MoonWolf, I picked c |
| 07:25.51 | ckknight | I would've been 17 for that experience |
| 07:25.58 | ckknight | haven't tried since |
| 07:26.00 | ckknight | no inclination |
| 07:26.04 | Industrial | that was kickass, holiday in france and stoned 'like a shrinp |
| 07:26.07 | Industrial | mp* |
| 07:26.13 | MoonWolf | its yust a fun thing to do from time to time. |
| 07:26.23 | MoonWolf | walking around stoned in a forest, or a beach. |
| 07:26.25 | MoonWolf | its fun. |
| 07:26.28 | Industrial | uhu |
| 07:27.05 | Industrial | being with your girl - both stoned - is fun too i can tell you :D |
| 07:27.09 | MoonWolf | Elkano, any luck on the treeview ? |
| 07:27.32 | MoonWolf | hmm, i only have one night things, ill have to get something more lasting for that. |
| 07:30.01 | Elkano | well, just started again ^^' |
| 07:32.32 | AnduinLothar | i hate it when people ask for addons without searching for them first.. |
| 07:32.36 | Industrial | I wish wow was more like XHTML+CSS |
| 07:32.48 | Industrial | I wish XHTML+CSS was more like SetPoint |
| 07:32.51 | Industrial | :E |
| 07:33.07 | MoonWolf | I wish the matrix was in lua. |
| 07:33.16 | Wobin | I wish I had chocolate |
| 07:33.19 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: dont answer, lock, delete, scold them, post a picture of flames, etc |
| 07:33.26 | AnduinLothar | not my forums |
| 07:33.40 | Industrial | ;< |
| 07:33.47 | AnduinLothar | hell, someone even wrote the damn addon before googling for it |
| 07:34.03 | AnduinLothar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=393468 |
| 07:34.17 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 07:34.31 | AnduinLothar | not even just 1 person |
| 07:34.41 | AnduinLothar | 6 people |
| 07:34.54 | AnduinLothar | and there's 2 addons that do it.. |
| 07:35.24 | AnduinLothar | group stupidity at its finest |
| 07:36.13 | Wobin | Man, what did poor ZiggyTar ever do to you Anduin? =) |
| 07:36.26 | AnduinLothar | he was spamming in IF general i believe |
| 07:36.46 | Wobin | Wow. Forever branded =) |
| 07:36.56 | AnduinLothar | and i don't care enough to edit ss's to obscure names |
| 07:37.51 | AnduinLothar | if they're cool and helped make a ss then they get to be in it, if they were spamming they get to be branded. i see no laws against posting pictures of other people's virtual representations |
| 07:38.04 | AnduinLothar | with or without permission |
| 07:38.20 | ckknight | not like there are privacy issues, either |
| 07:38.22 | ckknight | too badly |
| 07:40.13 | MoonWolf | i dont think privacy laws include digital avatars of yourself in a game. |
| 07:40.19 | AnduinLothar | is there a way to bind the windows key? |
| 07:40.31 | AnduinLothar | or dissable it |
| 07:40.45 | MoonWolf | there is |
| 07:40.57 | MoonWolf | but i dont know an application to do it from the top of my head |
| 07:41.02 | MoonWolf | my shell takes care of it. |
| 07:41.33 | Wobin | do a google search on AutoHotKey |
| 07:41.44 | Wobin | I use that for remapping |
| 07:41.58 | Wobin | Although there are probably better ones out there |
| 07:44.25 | Wobin | What's the latest version of Watchdog? |
| 07:44.56 | Industrial | i use the registry |
| 07:46.16 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3953 |
| 07:48.41 | Wobin | ta Cair |
| 07:49.40 | Cairenn | de nada |
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| 07:54.26 | kremonte | i should stop coming in just to ask questions :Q (stupid crashes) - but yea, anybody know why this won't work?: |
| 07:54.30 | kremonte | local foo = CreateFrame("foo", nil, "GameTooltip"); foo:SetScript("OnShow", fooOnShow); fooOnShow = function() DevTools_Dump("gametooltip shown"); end |
| 07:54.43 | kremonte | CreateFrame's never like to work =( |
| 07:54.47 | Wobin | on 1.11? |
| 07:54.54 | ckknight | ooh, I know why it doesn't work |
| 07:55.00 | kremonte | on 1.10 |
| 07:55.02 | kremonte | porque? |
| 07:55.12 | ckknight | two reasons |
| 07:55.18 | kremonte | oh thats never good |
| 07:55.28 | ckknight | first, when you set the script, fooOnShow is nil. |
| 07:55.30 | Industrial | your frame name and lua object name are the same, and you forgot a : |
| 07:55.40 | kremonte | er |
| 07:55.44 | kremonte | CreateFrame is Frae |
| 07:55.45 | kremonte | Frame* |
| 07:55.50 | kremonte | i just typed that up as an ex |
| 07:56.01 | ckknight | also, it's shown by default |
| 07:56.04 | kremonte | fooOnShow can't be nil when i set the script in the first place? |
| 07:56.09 | ckknight | so you need to do foo:Hide() foo:Show() |
| 07:56.11 | ckknight | no, kremonte |
| 07:56.26 | kremonte | er wait, foo:Hide()foo:Show() when? |
| 07:56.36 | ckknight | right after, if you want |
| 07:56.39 | ckknight | that'll show it |
| 07:56.41 | ckknight | well |
| 07:56.46 | kremonte | (pretty much when a variable is 1, i want to override GameTooltip with a SetHyperlink) |
| 07:56.46 | ckknight | it'll call the OnShow event |
| 07:56.48 | ckknight | it's already shown |
| 07:57.12 | ckknight | hrm |
| 07:57.13 | ckknight | okay |
| 07:57.25 | ckknight | well, first, make fooOnShow declared before |
| 07:57.27 | ckknight | or: |
| 07:57.47 | ckknight | local foo = CreateFrame("foo", nil, "GameTooltip"); foo:SetScript("OnShow", function() DevTools_Dump("gametooltip shown") end) |
| 07:58.03 | kremonte | well the simple function was only for practical IRC purposes =p |
| 07:58.10 | kremonte | it's a 20 line func in luaslinger |
| 07:58.14 | AnduinLothar | CreateFrame("foo", nil, "GameTooltip"); foo:SetScript("OnShow", function() DevTools_Dump("gametooltip shown"); end); |
| 07:58.43 | ckknight | pretty sure I beat you, AnduinLothar |
| 07:58.56 | kremonte | ..it'd be CreateFrame("Frame, ~) right? :X |
| 07:58.59 | AnduinLothar | yours is still local |
| 07:59.02 | kremonte | CreateFrame is EVIL |
| 07:59.21 | ckknight | no it's not |
| 07:59.23 | ckknight | it's great |
| 07:59.28 | kremonte | EVIL |
| 07:59.31 | AnduinLothar | local foo = |
| 07:59.37 | ckknight | why, kremonte? |
| 07:59.40 | AnduinLothar | is unnecissary |
| 07:59.46 | ckknight | you just don't understand it |
| 07:59.54 | kremonte | exactly =p |
| 07:59.59 | kremonte | that which i do not understand can only be.. EVIL |
| 08:00.32 | ckknight | do you understand bunnies? |
| 08:00.41 | kremonte | as much as i need to. |
| 08:00.53 | ckknight | you sure? |
| 08:00.58 | kremonte | i understand that they are evil critters who poop way too often and smell like... well, a cage full of poop and a bunny, that's what |
| 08:01.01 | ckknight | and wouldn't that mean they're partly evil? |
| 08:01.06 | kremonte | YES THEY ARE. |
| 08:01.07 | ckknight | hrm |
| 08:01.09 | ckknight | okay |
| 08:01.13 | AnduinLothar | bunnies ARE evil |
| 08:01.20 | ckknight | how bout kitties? |
| 08:01.35 | AnduinLothar | they stink, eat gardens and reproduce like mad |
| 08:01.45 | AnduinLothar | kitties are evil too |
| 08:02.21 | AnduinLothar | the poop all over, tear up the furniture and require constant attention |
| 08:02.44 | ckknight | what about humanity? |
| 08:02.47 | Industrial | dogs < * |
| 08:02.55 | AnduinLothar | humanity in general is evil too |
| 08:03.05 | Industrial | I am anti dog |
| 08:03.10 | Industrial | :P |
| 08:03.18 | ckknight | what isn't evil? |
| 08:03.23 | AnduinLothar | singular people can be good, groups of people can only be bad |
| 08:03.41 | Industrial | define good |
| 08:03.42 | kremonte | kitties are nice, dogs suck and are the most evil thing in existence (they smelltheyre loud they dump my trash all over my carpet when i'm not home they bite holes through my wires) bunnies smell as well as all other rodents and creatures of that sense |
| 08:03.44 | kremonte | and ummmmm |
| 08:03.45 | Industrial | >D |
| 08:03.54 | kremonte | yeah animals in general suck except for my black cat Maximus :o |
| 08:03.54 | AnduinLothar | a bunch of good people with good intentions eventually becomes worse that the individual parts |
| 08:03.59 | kremonte | he'll kick your cat's ass. |
| 08:04.08 | kremonte | because he has a hole in his ear from some badass cat street fight |
| 08:04.24 | kremonte | middle of the night he comes into the house with another cat's paw and a hole in his ear |
| 08:04.27 | kremonte | that was fucking AWESOME. |
| 08:04.34 | kremonte | sorry, i got carried away |
| 08:04.37 | Wobin | hehe |
| 08:04.43 | ckknight | how bout Jews, are they evil? |
| 08:04.43 | AnduinLothar | evil |
| 08:04.48 | Wobin | fanboying Maximus =) |
| 08:04.52 | Cairenn | ... |
| 08:05.03 | ckknight | hooray for catch-22's. |
| 08:05.39 | AnduinLothar | how is that a catch 22? even God got angry at the jews and decided that they weren't gonna be the only way for people to know him |
| 08:05.53 | kremonte | http://pastebin.com/708085 |
| 08:05.53 | Cairenn | . |
| 08:05.55 | ckknight | ... |
| 08:05.55 | Cairenn | . |
| 08:05.55 | kremonte | why won't that work |
| 08:05.57 | kremonte | ><" |
| 08:06.08 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: I'd suggest you stop right there |
| 08:06.19 | Industrial | kremonte: because you need to pay it to work |
| 08:06.34 | ckknight | yea, gonna go with Cairenn |
| 08:06.37 | kremonte | my friend's jewish. once a week, he brings in tomato soup and a fan, and parts the red sea |
| 08:06.44 | ckknight | lol. |
| 08:06.44 | Cairenn | ckknight: you started it with the question |
| 08:06.45 | kremonte | because he is MOSES |
| 08:06.47 | AnduinLothar | he's an individual |
| 08:06.47 | Industrial | lol |
| 08:06.57 | kremonte | anyway, why am i having this CreateFrame conundrum |
| 08:07.00 | kremonte | it does nothing :X |
| 08:07.03 | AnduinLothar | individuals can be good |
| 08:07.33 | kremonte | i never should have said that createframe was evil ._. |
| 08:07.39 | AnduinLothar | i don't hate jews, don't get me wrong. |
| 08:07.47 | ckknight | kremonte, OnShow doesn't happen when IsVisible changes, it happens when IsShown changes |
| 08:07.50 | Cairenn | just. stop. |
| 08:07.56 | kremonte | WHAT DOES THAT MEAN |
| 08:08.00 | kremonte | why are they different :'( |
| 08:08.13 | ckknight | kremonte, what you're doing would be better with proper hooking. |
| 08:08.15 | AnduinLothar | IsShown is Show/Hide |
| 08:08.24 | Industrial | Cairenn is gunna explode and become super sayaian lv 5 HUAH |
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| 08:08.30 | AnduinLothar | IsVisible depends on if the parent frame is vissible too |
| 08:08.31 | Industrial | Cairenn: hi, btw :X |
| 08:08.40 | kremonte | so how would i go about doing this ._. |
| 08:08.50 | kremonte | ckknight: i don't know what function to hook |
| 08:08.54 | kremonte | GameTooltip_OnShow is nil |
| 08:08.54 | ckknight | kremonte, hook GameTooltip's OnShow |
| 08:09.04 | kremonte | ._. |
| 08:09.05 | ckknight | globals are bad, kremonte |
| 08:09.10 | Cairenn | Industrial: hello |
| 08:09.20 | ckknight | GameTooltip:GetScript("OnShow") |
| 08:09.21 | kremonte | ckknight: this is just for testing, i could care less about my global namespace |
| 08:09.24 | s|loup | kremonte you create a frame without a name? |
| 08:09.36 | ckknight | s|loup, that so bad? |
| 08:09.36 | kremonte | s|loup: isn't that all the rage nowadays? |
| 08:09.40 | AnduinLothar | Sea or AceHooks can hook it nicely for you in a single line |
| 08:09.41 | kremonte | CreateFrame returns a handler |
| 08:09.46 | krka|work | i hate jews, but not more than the rest of the world population in general :P |
| 08:09.52 | kremonte | library for a 20 line addon no thanks |
| 08:09.53 | s|loup | hm thought all elements must have set a name |
| 08:09.58 | kremonte | ckknight: thanks |
| 08:09.58 | ckknight | krka, stop while you're ahead |
| 08:10.04 | krka|work | i was never good at that |
| 08:10.08 | Industrial | krka|work: kekburlol :P |
| 08:10.14 | AnduinLothar | see, now i have no problem arguing this, but cair said stop |
| 08:10.34 | AnduinLothar | and i happen to respect cair, because she's a good individual |
| 08:10.35 | krka|work | hooking is like two simple lines without any library, i don't see the need :P |
| 08:10.37 | ckknight | yea, and it'd be too much effort to go somewhere else to argue |
| 08:10.37 | kremonte | shiashlol :p ^_^ |
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| 08:10.40 | Industrial | AnduinLothar, krka|work; #argue |
| 08:10.57 | AnduinLothar | where as you all as a group.. |
| 08:11.00 | s|loup | kremonte where do you set the frame to show? as i can see you only sho it in the OnShow event? |
| 08:11.16 | kremonte | er, ckknight: GameTooltip:GetScript("OnShow") = empty result >< |
| 08:11.23 | s|loup | but the OnShow will not triggered without calling Show() ? |
| 08:11.31 | krka|work | Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position! |
| 08:11.36 | ckknight | kremonte, so just put your function into GameTooltip:SetScript("OnShow", func) |
| 08:11.36 | krka|work | Yes but that's not just saying "no it isn't". |
| 08:11.36 | kremonte | s|loup: i was going off an old piece of code that added a line to gametooltip, but its not working soooooo |
| 08:11.39 | krka|work | Yes it is! |
| 08:11.42 | AnduinLothar | tho i don't see how my group theory is in any way religious, ck was the one that brought in the jews |
| 08:11.59 | ckknight | Jews don't have to be religious |
| 08:12.05 | AnduinLothar | if you make it addon local the frame doesn't need a name |
| 08:12.06 | kremonte | ckknight: could compatability issues arise? for somebody that has a mod that has GameTooltip setscript'd? |
| 08:12.09 | ckknight | didn't you see the Ninja talking about em? |
| 08:12.15 | AnduinLothar | or at least a global name |
| 08:12.18 | ckknight | kremonte, this is why we have hooking libraries. |
| 08:12.27 | kremonte | ... |
| 08:12.36 | kremonte | it's a 20 line addon, i shouldn't need a library -_- |
| 08:12.37 | krka|work | hooking is perfectly safe without using libraries |
| 08:12.41 | krka|work | and is very easy |
| 08:12.54 | AnduinLothar | it just requires you to understand what you're doing |
| 08:13.05 | AnduinLothar | where as libraries you can use while staying ignorant |
| 08:13.17 | kremonte | AnduinLothar: i know how to hook, i was just wondering about compatability issues in this particular case |
| 08:13.32 | kremonte | which is no problem anyway, 5 extra lines of code lol |
| 08:13.46 | AnduinLothar | if you hook it right you don't need to worry. if you hook it wrong you do, if you hook it with a lib your shouldn't have to worry at all |
| 08:14.03 | krka|work | how do you highlight stuff on pastebin? |
| 08:14.05 | AnduinLothar | heck SeaHooks is embedable |
| 08:14.09 | kremonte | well i'm not releasing it so i shouldn't need to worry about hooking it wrong :D |
| 08:14.14 | krka|work | ah never mind |
| 08:14.15 | krka|work | http://wow.pastebin.com/708094 |
| 08:14.18 | krka|work | there's how you hook |
| 08:14.20 | kremonte | it's 20 lines, i don't want/need libraries |
| 08:14.22 | krka|work | only two extra lines needed |
| 08:14.24 | krka|work | and it's dead simple |
| 08:14.29 | kremonte | lol i already finished it =p |
| 08:14.35 | kremonte | hooking is easy |
| 08:14.35 | AnduinLothar | if you're not releasing it then just use a lib you already have |
| 08:14.45 | kremonte | it was just the GetScript being nil i was worried about |
| 08:14.53 | AnduinLothar | and save yourself coding time |
| 08:14.54 | kremonte | i don't want a lib, i said that a dozen times |
| 08:15.08 | krka|work | two lines, one being an assignment and one being a function call... doesn't get much simpler :P |
| 08:15.08 | kremonte | it's less than half a dozen lines, wasting time arguing on it is wasting coding time, afk |
| 08:15.23 | AnduinLothar | and an if statement for nil |
| 08:15.28 | ckknight | btw, we're actually in #argue |
| 08:15.43 | AnduinLothar | and possibly a global function name |
| 08:15.47 | AnduinLothar | or addon local |
| 08:16.50 | AnduinLothar | put it this way. If you understand hooking you don't need to ask about hooking. If you ask about hooking I'll either tell you to look it up or use a lib.. standard policy |
| 08:17.34 | AnduinLothar | so, now that i'm thuroughly unwanted here, i'll leave |
| 08:17.35 | AnduinLothar | night |
| 08:17.45 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: you don't have to leave |
| 08:17.45 | krka|work | crap, 4 extra lines for this hooking: http://wow.pastebin.com/708097 |
| 08:17.57 | ckknight | we still love you, AnduinLothar |
| 08:18.15 | Cairenn | no one said you are unwanted |
| 08:18.37 | chuckg | It was written all over your faces! |
| 08:18.44 | chuckg | Embedded deep within his own sarcasm. |
| 08:18.47 | chuckg | =D |
| 08:22.52 | ckknight | what steps should I take to start my religion? |
| 08:25.23 | MoonWolf | get followers |
| 08:25.50 | ckknight | I suppose |
| 08:26.18 | chuckg | Martyr yourself. |
| 08:26.26 | chuckg | Then use a prophet to write your words down. |
| 08:26.35 | ckknight | I figured I should stabilize the belief structure and write it down |
| 08:26.35 | chuckg | Make him wear a shirt made entirely of reptile scales. |
| 08:26.49 | chuckg | Also, try not involving the Jews. |
| 08:26.52 | chuckg | They've had enough trouble. |
| 08:27.00 | ckknight | but they're a tough people |
| 08:27.19 | chuckg | Try using the Germans. |
| 08:27.40 | chuckg | Or a nice little "church" tucked away in the bowels of Iowa. |
| 08:27.49 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 08:28.04 | ckknight | with the downstairs covered in upside-down pentacles? |
| 08:28.10 | chuckg | Can't say I haven't thought about this before. |
| 08:29.22 | MoonWolf | pentacles are old |
| 08:29.27 | MoonWolf | go for something new |
| 08:29.55 | chuckg | Upside down turtle shells. |
| 08:30.01 | ckknight | you're right, I do need a symbol |
| 08:30.01 | chuckg | Or ... phallus. |
| 08:30.05 | ckknight | that's easy to draw |
| 08:30.11 | ckknight | I already have a name: Cocoonism |
| 08:30.13 | MoonWolf | Triangl! |
| 08:30.17 | ckknight | it sorta represents my religion, and it's not taken yet. |
| 08:30.19 | MoonWolf | Triangle* |
| 08:30.47 | kremonte | hm |
| 08:30.51 | kremonte | with a hooked GameTooltip |
| 08:31.00 | kremonte | when i sit with it visible my UI mem soars |
| 08:31.10 | kremonte | from .03kB/s to 300kB/s |
| 08:31.11 | ckknight | nah, the Jews already got 2 triangles for them, if I just have one, I'd be like, not as good as them |
| 08:31.18 | ckknight | lol, kremonte |
| 08:31.27 | ckknight | Star of David ftw, btw |
| 08:31.34 | kremonte | eh? |
| 08:31.38 | MoonWolf | a big C |
| 08:31.53 | ckknight | or this special "K" symbol |
| 08:32.00 | chuckg | 3 K's. |
| 08:32.06 | chuckg | In big, red, capitol letters. |
| 08:32.30 | chuckg | And call yourself Grand Marshall Master Dragonslayer. |
| 08:32.51 | ckknight | well, my beliefs do state that we're in a giant MMORPG |
| 08:33.10 | chuckg | I put my talent points in the wrong tradeskills. |
| 08:33.20 | chuckg | Shoulda gone with strip tease'n. |
| 08:33.36 | chuckg | Does youre religion allow rerolls? |
| 08:33.45 | chuckg | And sell destruction? (hellfire) |
| 08:33.47 | chuckg | Or fakers? |
| 08:33.49 | chuckg | (hunters) |
| 08:34.07 | ckknight | yes, chuckg |
| 08:34.08 | ckknight | rerolls are fine |
| 08:34.13 | chuckg | I'm all in. |
| 08:34.25 | ckknight | good stuff |
| 08:34.55 | ckknight | basically, there is no Karma or anything, we all made this world and we chose to envelop ourselves into it, because immortality is boring. |
| 08:35.43 | krka|work | but immorality is not =) |
| 08:35.52 | ckknight | yes it is |
| 08:35.59 | ckknight | what are you gonna do if there is nothing left to do? |
| 08:36.33 | MoonWolf | ckknight, hinduism has the awnser. |
| 08:36.37 | chuckg | Make an alt. |
| 08:36.46 | ckknight | exactly, chuckg |
| 08:36.50 | ckknight | we make an alt. |
| 08:37.35 | ckknight | or basically, we make a main and play the MMORPG until we die, then we have to make a new main |
| 08:37.52 | MoonWolf | only one char slot :( |
| 08:37.55 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:38.00 | ckknight | no twinking |
| 08:38.01 | ckknight | well |
| 08:38.12 | ckknight | you could, if you chose the right family |
| 08:38.13 | MoonWolf | I want a pve realm! |
| 08:38.21 | ckknight | sorry, it's all Arena here |
| 08:38.44 | MoonWolf | and where are the dragons. |
| 08:38.56 | ckknight | in the other game |
| 08:39.16 | ckknight | if there is one |
| 08:39.26 | ckknight | which there theoretically could be |
| 08:39.56 | krka|work | deep.. |
| 08:40.17 | ckknight | pretty much, it's very much like Hinduism, but without the Brahman or any sense of Karma |
| 08:40.39 | krka|work | they have a bra-man? |
| 08:40.47 | krka|work | that's it, i am converting! |
| 08:41.21 | MoonWolf | the great things about hinduism |
| 08:41.31 | MoonWolf | you dont have to beleive in it to reincarnate |
| 08:41.33 | ckknight | Brahman is a panentheistic entity of the Hindu/Vedic faith. In it, the goal of life is to eventually merge with the Brahman |
| 08:41.36 | MoonWolf | you reincarnate anyway. |
| 08:41.40 | ckknight | yep. |
| 08:41.47 | Wobin | Sounds hivemindy |
| 08:41.55 | ckknight | Wobin, sorta |
| 08:42.01 | ckknight | also, I don't belief in reincarnation into bugs or animals |
| 08:42.03 | MoonWolf | Wobin, become one with the Brahman is acheiving a god like state. |
| 08:42.21 | Wobin | Enlightenment et al? |
| 08:42.22 | ckknight | it also involves the loss of Ego |
| 08:42.25 | ckknight | right |
| 08:42.35 | krka|work | don't take away my ego :( |
| 08:42.50 | MoonWolf | krka no god for you! |
| 08:42.56 | ckknight | krka, yea, it's hard for me to comprehend, so there is no Karma or Brahman in my faith |
| 08:43.56 | ckknight | there is no God, since we are God |
| 08:43.58 | ckknight | and all that |
| 08:44.01 | ckknight | I should write this down |
| 08:44.07 | ckknight | surely that would get some followers |
| 08:44.15 | MoonWolf | thats gnostic i think ckk |
| 08:44.30 | MoonWolf | christians wiped those out some time ago. |
| 08:45.12 | ckknight | curse those handsome devils |
| 08:50.46 | ckknight | hrm: http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/sperm/sperm.html |
| 08:52.28 | ckknight | harder than I thought |
| 08:52.52 | Wobin | hm |
| 08:53.20 | Wobin | Moonwolf, was it you that posted that image of the cartoon Ninja Turtles facing away from the camera with thought bubbles? |
| 08:53.41 | MoonWolf | i think it was. |
| 08:54.06 | Wobin | Can you recall the link? |
| 08:54.09 | MoonWolf | eeeuh |
| 08:54.48 | MoonWolf | http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9066/11490332759158hs.jpg |
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| 08:54.52 | MoonWolf | there you go. |
| 08:55.55 | Wobin | woo ta |
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| 09:19.28 | Crispix_ | :( |
| 09:19.32 | Crispix_ | my computer is acting oddly |
| 09:33.09 | kaso| | Fire is the only cure. |
| 09:34.02 | MoonWolf | im a fan of acid myself. |
| 09:34.52 | Kaso | Servers down :< that's blizzard's way of telling me to do that scripting ive been putting off for the last couple of days! |
| 09:36.56 | MoonWolf | yes |
| 09:37.01 | MoonWolf | get to wrk |
| 09:37.32 | Elkano | happy "child labour day" ;) |
| 09:37.43 | Kaso | Oh? |
| 09:37.53 | Kaso | that sounds, well illegal. |
| 09:40.52 | ckknight | sperm donation is a lot harder than it seems like in the movies. |
| 09:43.29 | Codayus | Is there a way to check if a frame is registered for an event? |
| 09:45.09 | s|loup | a specific event or the handler? |
| 09:45.43 | Codayus | A specific event. |
| 09:45.54 | Wobin | Frame:GetScript("handler") ? |
| 09:46.01 | ckknight | that's a script |
| 09:46.03 | ckknight | not an event |
| 09:46.06 | Wobin | true |
| 09:46.07 | s|loup | hm i thought there was a table where you can lookup |
| 09:46.23 | ckknight | not to my knowledge |
| 09:46.49 | Codayus | Basically, I'm trying to write a toggle - so it calls RegisterEvent("UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT"), or if its already registered, UnregisterEvent() |
| 09:47.13 | Cide | you can't, no |
| 09:47.24 | s|loup | than work with flags |
| 09:47.26 | Cide | if you want to, you can hook RegisterEvent/UnregisterEvent and check |
| 09:47.33 | Codayus | Oh well, hm. Guess I could make a variable which holds ...yeah, what s|loup said. |
| 09:47.40 | Cide | or just use a variable, if you control the frame |
| 09:47.43 | Codayus | I do. |
| 09:49.20 | Codayus | thanks |
| 09:58.49 | Codayus | Is there a way to hook SpellStopCasting so that if I hit escape the game menu does NOT open? |
| 09:59.43 | Codayus | Wait...nm. |
| 10:00.50 | Codayus | Nope, still doesn't work. |
| 10:00.56 | Codayus | Clarification: I hooked SpellStopCasting() to call a function which tidies up a couple things, and then unhooks itself. This *seems* to work, but if I hit escape, it opens the game menu... |
| 10:02.20 | Codayus | Wait, I could just hook ToggleGameMeny()! |
| 10:02.43 | Codayus | Why do I never think of the easy way to start with? |
| 10:02.51 | Codayus | Please pardon my incoherent rambling. |
| 10:03.36 | ckknight | it's cool |
| 10:06.25 | Wobin | wooo |
| 10:06.29 | Wobin | this'll be fun =P |
| 10:09.01 | Codayus | I routnely run Squishy and NeedyList |
| 10:09.20 | Codayus | NeedyList handles monitoring buffs pretty weel. |
| 10:09.22 | Codayus | well, even |
| 10:09.29 | Wobin | yeah |
| 10:09.32 | Codayus | I turned off its attempt at monitoring health long ago. |
| 10:10.04 | Codayus | I'm running Squishy, AceHeal, Genesis, SquishyHealer, and NeedyList. And sometimes CorkFu, although not at the moment. |
| 10:10.07 | Wobin | That's an idea |
| 10:10.16 | Wobin | Squishy Healer? |
| 10:10.20 | Wobin | hm |
| 10:12.44 | Industrial | http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/3dlogic.swf |
| 10:12.45 | Industrial | lv 16 |
| 10:14.45 | ckknight | cool game. |
| 10:15.30 | Industrial | very |
| 10:15.36 | Industrial | can you beat 16? ;) |
| 10:15.46 | ckknight | 9 |
| 10:15.47 | Industrial | theres 23 or so levels |
| 10:17.38 | ckknight | done 10 |
| 10:18.26 | ckknight | I love pattern finding |
| 10:18.43 | Kaso | the control mechanism is wierd, i keep colouring over the wrong cells ;< |
| 10:19.51 | ckknight | done 13 |
| 10:20.08 | Industrial | ckknight: yeah the feeling when you see it, the 'ahhh' moment |
| 10:20.14 | Cide | when does it start getting "hard"? |
| 10:20.27 | Cide | at 11 now, so far it's been pretty easy :P |
| 10:20.34 | Industrial | 15/16 |
| 10:20.35 | Industrial | :P |
| 10:21.09 | ckknight | done 14 |
| 10:21.15 | Elkano | what was the command to use /dump from inside lua? |
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| 10:24.20 | ckknight | DevTools_Dump |
| 10:24.36 | ckknight | omg 15 is tough for me |
| 10:24.49 | s|loup | 16 is hard |
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| 10:24.58 | Cide | 15 isn't that bad |
| 10:25.13 | Maldivia | Cide: so you've noticed the lack of RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE aswell |
| 10:25.20 | Cide | Maldivia: yeah :) |
| 10:25.36 | ckknight | got it |
| 10:25.44 | Maldivia | posted about it 2 weeks ago, and bumped it a few times, on both test and ui - no response at all |
| 10:26.38 | ckknight | omg 16 was easy. |
| 10:26.50 | Maldivia | Cide: you can log on, be in a raid, but GetRaidNumMembers() returns 0, UnitName("raid1") returns nil etc |
| 10:27.09 | Industrial | ckknight: :( |
| 10:27.12 | ckknight | got it really fast |
| 10:27.16 | Industrial | i dont |
| 10:27.18 | Industrial | :P |
| 10:27.29 | Maldivia | GetNumRaidMembers* |
| 10:27.48 | Industrial | Wonder if you can program to solve this |
| 10:27.52 | Industrial | :D |
| 10:28.34 | ckknight | of course |
| 10:28.39 | ckknight | you can always code. |
| 10:29.24 | ckknight | done 17 |
| 10:30.01 | ckknight | done 18 |
| 10:32.20 | ckknight | 19's pretty tough |
| 10:33.49 | s|loup | damn i cant kick 16 |
| 10:34.06 | ckknight | got 19 |
| 10:34.19 | ckknight | find the pattern, s|loup |
| 10:34.22 | ckknight | that's all I can say |
| 10:34.31 | s|loup | heh |
| 10:34.32 | ckknight | see through it to the meaning underneath |
| 10:34.32 | s|loup | e |
| 10:36.05 | ckknight | got 20 |
| 10:37.43 | ckknight | got 21 |
| 10:39.09 | ckknight | got 22 |
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| 10:40.43 | Elkano | ckknight, for some reason, HonorFu didn't reset stats today :/ (didn't do it last week, too :/) |
| 10:40.51 | ckknight | hrm |
| 10:41.25 | MoonWolf | it did for me |
| 10:42.32 | ckknight | omg 23's a bitch |
| 10:42.42 | ckknight | I shall tame her |
| 10:42.51 | ckknight | and I she shall make me pancakes. |
| 10:46.00 | s|loup | bah i cant see the underneath argh |
| 10:48.00 | ckknight | turn it into something you can relate to |
| 10:48.04 | ckknight | or something intuitive |
| 10:48.09 | ckknight | like trying to find the clitoris. |
| 10:48.16 | s|loup | oO |
| 10:48.21 | Elkano | ckknight, is there a command to reset manualy? |
| 10:48.28 | ckknight | probably. |
| 10:48.37 | ckknight | I don't know, though |
| 10:49.12 | s|loup | bah 1 damn point |
| 10:49.39 | Elkano | ck, it looks like this: http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7960/honorfureset4ie.jpg |
| 10:49.48 | Elkano | MoonWolf: http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9899/mendeleevtree4af.jpg :) |
| 10:50.02 | MoonWolf | you did it. |
| 10:50.04 | MoonWolf | awesome |
| 10:50.28 | MoonWolf | can you mail me the code ? or put it in the svn under a branch if you can ? |
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| 10:50.59 | Elkano | well, as you can see it outsizes the tooltip for eg copper :( |
| 10:51.27 | wereHamster | http://www.svenswmwette.com/ .. the first picture is there :) |
| 10:51.50 | Elkano | we are still looking for the pr0n page he took it from |
| 10:53.11 | MoonWolf | Elkano, you cant escape that, you only have so many lines of tooltip to work with |
| 10:53.31 | ckknight | gah |
| 10:53.35 | ckknight | okay, I got 23 |
| 10:53.41 | ckknight | there's more :-[ |
| 10:53.44 | Industrial | ckknight: help meeee on 16 lol |
| 10:53.53 | ckknight | I forget what it looks like |
| 10:53.56 | Elkano | I know :( i've already started work to have it only list subtrees that have at least one item of skill x |
| 10:54.06 | ckknight | indie, see the pattern |
| 10:54.08 | Industrial | new tab, do it again :DD |
| 10:54.22 | MoonWolf | what are you doing ? |
| 10:54.35 | Industrial | http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/3dlogic.swf |
| 10:54.36 | ckknight | http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/3dlogic.swf |
| 10:54.49 | ckknight | apparently I'm better with patterns than Indie ;-) |
| 10:55.02 | Industrial | >:P |
| 10:55.25 | Industrial | oooh nice @ tree thingy Elkano |
| 10:56.26 | ckknight | I know the issue, Elkano |
| 10:56.28 | ckknight | I think |
| 10:56.35 | ckknight | I'll code a fix once the game ends. |
| 10:56.45 | s|loup | this game ends? |
| 10:57.33 | ckknight | done 24 |
| 10:58.07 | ckknight | done 25 |
| 10:58.23 | s|loup | oh common my brain is cooking |
| 10:59.40 | ckknight | tip: see the creator of the maze as a sadistic individual |
| 11:00.23 | s|loup | what? |
| 11:01.05 | Legorol | awesome puzzle! |
| 11:01.12 | Legorol | up to 12 only, i hope it gets tough soon |
| 11:01.26 | ckknight | s|loup, http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/3dlogic.swf |
| 11:01.44 | ckknight | Legorol, lvl 15 got tough for me |
| 11:02.02 | Industrial | WOO made 16 |
| 11:02.14 | Industrial | together with a coworker |
| 11:02.18 | Industrial | eliminating options |
| 11:02.19 | Industrial | :P |
| 11:02.39 | wereHamster | do you work or play games? |
| 11:02.56 | Elkano | ok, at 16 now :) |
| 11:03.03 | ckknight | done 26 |
| 11:03.16 | Industrial | 28 |
| 11:03.23 | ckknight | Indie? |
| 11:03.28 | ckknight | don't think so. |
| 11:04.01 | s|loup | industrial who |
| 11:04.03 | Legorol | oh, i don't actually have to color all the cells? |
| 11:04.04 | s|loup | how |
| 11:04.13 | Industrial | err, 18 |
| 11:04.15 | Industrial | 19 now |
| 11:04.20 | Legorol | that makes it easier.. |
| 11:04.22 | s|loup | man tell me hwo to get 16 ^^ |
| 11:04.28 | Industrial | no hehe |
| 11:04.29 | Cide | heh, wow |
| 11:04.30 | Industrial | took me 1 hour |
| 11:04.32 | Cide | 16 was a lot easier than I thought |
| 11:04.34 | s|loup | damn |
| 11:04.39 | ckknight | yea, Cide |
| 11:04.43 | ckknight | I did it in 10 seconds |
| 11:04.45 | Legorol | and here i was, thinking i have to make the paths such that they cover all squares |
| 11:04.48 | Cide | well |
| 11:04.58 | Cide | if you get locked into a way of thinking it can screw you up |
| 11:05.01 | ckknight | Legorol, hehe, not quite |
| 11:05.38 | Legorol | well either way, so far so good |
| 11:06.04 | Cide | 17 was... |
| 11:06.07 | Cide | simple as hell |
| 11:06.20 | ckknight | got 27 |
| 11:06.50 | ckknight | 28 starts 6x6x6 |
| 11:07.03 | ckknight | unless I wasn't paying attention |
| 11:09.14 | ckknight | got 28 |
| 11:10.15 | Industrial | 19's a biotch :( |
| 11:10.30 | ckknight | 29's easy |
| 11:12.10 | ckknight | got 30 |
| 11:12.11 | ckknight | I win. |
| 11:12.19 | ckknight | woot! |
| 11:12.21 | Industrial | yay :) |
| 11:12.31 | ckknight | patterns are fun |
| 11:13.03 | Industrial | thought you'd like it :P |
| 11:13.26 | ckknight | yea |
| 11:13.50 | ckknight | sadly, I still don't have pancakes |
| 11:14.06 | Industrial | :P |
| 11:14.07 | Industrial | 20! |
| 11:14.07 | ckknight | the biggest tip I can give is to view to the author of the puzzle as a sadist |
| 11:14.28 | Legorol | i find that sometimes taking pen and paper helps a lot |
| 11:14.29 | ckknight | it makes doing em easier |
| 11:14.31 | ckknight | at least for me |
| 11:14.39 | Legorol | just reorganize the problem so it has same topology but you can see it better |
| 11:14.39 | ckknight | Legorol, if you need that :-P |
| 11:14.49 | Legorol | for 14 i found it easier that way |
| 11:14.52 | s|loup | i cant think about sadists :/ |
| 11:14.56 | ckknight | why? |
| 11:14.58 | Industrial | 21 |
| 11:14.58 | Legorol | i just find it quicker sometimes |
| 11:15.15 | Legorol | well if i put it on paper, i do away with random kinks that are confusing the eye |
| 11:15.20 | Legorol | and i reduce the problem to abstract form |
| 11:15.36 | ckknight | gonna do it again, so I can help Indie |
| 11:16.36 | Industrial | 22 |
| 11:16.53 | s|loup | indie need no help i need help ;) |
| 11:17.05 | ckknight | ~moredots |
| 11:17.09 | purl | dps very, very slowly - I mean f*cking slow |
| 11:17.11 | ckknight | what level you on, s|loup ? |
| 11:17.19 | Industrial | MINUS 50 DEE KAY PEEE |
| 11:17.21 | s|loup | 16 as 30 minutes ago ;) |
| 11:17.46 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 11:20.28 | ckknight | at 15 now |
| 11:20.37 | Industrial | still 22 for em |
| 11:21.30 | Industrial | 23 |
| 11:22.16 | ckknight | okay, at 16 now |
| 11:23.16 | ckknight | got 16, s|loup |
| 11:23.31 | ckknight | (with 1 block missing) |
| 11:24.09 | Legorol | ok, let's see this 16 :) |
| 11:24.16 | ckknight | okay |
| 11:24.22 | ckknight | start at the top corner |
| 11:24.25 | ckknight | go right |
| 11:24.30 | ckknight | don't stop till you hit the same color |
| 11:25.18 | ckknight | any help or should I go on? |
| 11:26.22 | ckknight | from the point you just hit, select the color 2 blocks up, go 1 block down, then all the way to the right, hitting the color |
| 11:26.30 | ckknight | you now have 2 connections |
| 11:27.45 | s|loup | re |
| 11:27.45 | ckknight | 2 blocks up from that, select that color, go north till you stop, then southwest 1 block, connecting that color |
| 11:27.51 | ckknight | re? |
| 11:27.57 | s|loup | blue one line |
| 11:28.05 | s|loup | from top right side to bottom? |
| 11:28.14 | ckknight | yea |
| 11:28.27 | ckknight | colors are random |
| 11:28.33 | s|loup | oh |
| 11:28.37 | s|loup | ok |
| 11:28.55 | ckknight | the north corner, go southeast and hug the wall |
| 11:29.12 | ckknight | don't stop till you hit the same color |
| 11:30.38 | Elkano | thx ck :) |
| 11:30.48 | ckknight | Elkano, what for? |
| 11:31.04 | ckknight | haven't gotten to your bug yet |
| 11:31.25 | Elkano | for 16 ^^ |
| 11:31.28 | ckknight | oh |
| 11:31.29 | ckknight | okay |
| 11:31.32 | s|loup | i have now 4 connections right? |
| 11:31.40 | ckknight | maybe? |
| 11:33.29 | s|loup | i have bottom lft to right side until top |
| 11:33.48 | s|loup | also bottom left 4 points to bottom right |
| 11:34.11 | s|loup | then bottom right 4 points to top |
| 11:34.14 | ckknight | http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/16407333779.jpg&s=f5 |
| 11:34.48 | s|loup | oh goodness |
| 11:35.14 | s|loup | looks like im to stupid to see the right way |
| 11:35.21 | s|loup | thanks ;) |
| 11:35.25 | ckknight | hehe |
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| 11:41.21 | Elkano | 19 giving me headaches again :/ |
| 11:44.00 | ckknight | hrm |
| 11:45.26 | ckknight | lemme get to it |
| 11:49.18 | Industrial | if you get to 23.. |
| 11:53.15 | ckknight | okay, got to 19 |
| 11:53.33 | Elkano | k |
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| 12:00.13 | ckknight | got 19 |
| 12:00.51 | Elkano | ok, how? |
| 12:02.15 | ckknight | http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/16408013870.jpg&s=f5 |
| 12:03.14 | ckknight | 20's real easy |
| 12:03.22 | Elkano | thx :) |
| 12:04.30 | Elkano | yes, it was |
| 12:05.56 | ckknight | just got 21 |
| 12:05.58 | ckknight | slightly complicated |
| 12:07.06 | Industrial | i stopped |
| 12:07.08 | Industrial | my opera crashed |
| 12:07.09 | Industrial | :( |
| 12:07.47 | ckknight | that sucks |
| 12:07.54 | ckknight | I just got 22, too |
| 12:08.21 | ckknight | either way, patterns are fun |
| 12:09.21 | Elkano | I'm at 22, too |
| 12:10.28 | Maldivia | "You win" |
| 12:10.30 | Maldivia | hmm |
| 12:10.46 | ckknight | grats, Maldivia |
| 12:10.58 | Maldivia | 20 are real easy |
| 12:11.02 | Maldivia | 20-30 |
| 12:11.03 | Maldivia | that is |
| 12:11.08 | ckknight | yea |
| 12:11.26 | Elkano | got 22 |
| 12:15.32 | ckknight | done 24 |
| 12:16.08 | ckknight | and 25 |
| 12:16.35 | zespri | so why my alt cast doesn't work with all addons switched off? |
| 12:16.45 | zespri | I though it was wow built-in feature? |
| 12:16.45 | ckknight | and 26 |
| 12:16.52 | ckknight | granted, I remember these ones |
| 12:17.02 | ckknight | zespri, check key bindings |
| 12:17.22 | zespri | what should I check in key bindings? |
| 12:19.15 | ckknight | for self-cast action bar 1 |
| 12:20.35 | zespri | oh, silly me |
| 12:20.43 | zespri | that's what it means! |
| 12:21.03 | zespri | i thought about alt click cast, which was never built in! |
| 12:21.08 | zespri | cool thanks |
| 12:21.14 | ckknight | :-) |
| 12:25.54 | Legorol | way, managed 16! |
| 12:26.39 | ckknight | hooray |
| 12:26.48 | ckknight | even after I posted up a picture of it |
| 12:26.56 | ckknight | :-P |
| 12:28.49 | Legorol | you did? |
| 12:28.52 | Legorol | what for... |
| 12:28.52 | Legorol | spoiler |
| 12:30.24 | ckknight | s|loup was having trouble |
| 12:33.30 | Legorol | fair enoguh |
| 12:33.39 | Legorol | however, i think getting 16 put me in a different mindset of looking at this thing |
| 12:33.45 | Legorol | 17 seemed lot easier afterwards |
| 12:33.49 | Legorol | even though i don't think it is |
| 12:35.27 | Legorol | from 16, i started playing it like minesweeper, rather than trying to see the whole pattern at once |
| 12:35.33 | Legorol | start filling in things you know must be true |
| 12:35.41 | Legorol | and eliminate |
| 12:38.05 | ckknight | pretty much. |
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| 13:12.31 | Wobin | hm, HealerAssist is a nice addon... |
| 13:12.51 | Wobin | Now if only it sync'd properly =\ |
| 13:16.24 | wereHamster | link? |
| 13:24.50 | wereHamster | I need a faster uplink :( .. uploading 120MB takes too long |
| 13:27.03 | Kaso | Unicode confused me :< |
| 13:28.00 | Legorol | lol, looking at 19, with systematic elimination, so far i have managed to prove that it's impossible to solve :p |
| 13:28.00 | Legorol | i better look again |
| 13:31.26 | zenzio | I know people have different interests, but I feel sorry for people who find it funny to run your horde character to Ironforge just to spam a /shout |
| 13:31.54 | Thrae | It's a rite of passage for anyone who just got their epic mount! |
| 13:32.58 | zenzio | I remember when I was leveling my warrior in Elwynn, for a few days there was an orc corpse lying on the road a bit east of Goldshire |
| 13:35.24 | krka|work | whoa... what has 3d got to do with that puzzle? it's easily mapped to 2d |
| 13:35.26 | wereHamster | hm.. is it impossible to upload a >100MB video to video.google.com without windows? |
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| 13:36.29 | wereHamster | oh.. there IS a linux version.. didn't see that :-/ |
| 13:37.22 | krka|work | looks like a trivial puzzle, algorithmically |
| 13:42.48 | Wobin | wereHamster: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-3499-1-healers-assist.html |
| 13:44.22 | wereHamster | Wobin, the author contacted me some time ago ;) |
| 13:45.28 | Legorol | krka: the puzzle is way cool |
| 13:45.35 | Legorol | the 3D just makes it look nice |
| 13:46.03 | Legorol | if you tried to map to 2D, you wouldn't get such nice shapes and arrangements |
| 13:46.39 | Legorol | i think the puzzle is actually less than 2D |
| 13:46.40 | wereHamster | but I find it too much information.. I don't believe one can read and fully understand everything that is displayed in this addon in the heat of a battle.. it's just too much numbers, text and bars.. IMHO |
| 13:46.44 | Legorol | in the sense that you are just finding lines |
| 13:46.51 | Legorol | such that they don't cross |
| 13:47.09 | Legorol | all of them can be mapped to a set of lines, so ... well.. maybe 1.5D? :) |
| 13:47.41 | wereHamster | sqrt(2)D ? |
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| 14:03.13 | Miravlix | Just what I need a 300$ mousemat |
| 14:03.24 | Miravlix | and it doesn't include mouse or cat |
| 14:03.36 | Kaso | Thats a might expensive mousemat |
| 14:03.48 | Kaso | and i thought paying £25 for my icemat was pricey. |
| 14:06.11 | Miravlix | It's a Formel 1 accessory |
| 14:06.25 | Miravlix | Funny I can get a F1 watch for 100$ more |
| 14:06.49 | Miravlix | Mousemat or watch and sameish price... |
| 14:07.06 | Miravlix | I think something is fairly wrong with there pricing or the watch is pure crap |
| 14:29.20 | Wobin | damn |
| 14:29.22 | Wobin | stuck on 23 |
| 14:29.34 | s|loup | lol |
| 14:30.32 | s|loup | stop playing that game ;) |
| 14:30.57 | SinePi | what are you playing, eh? |
| 14:31.14 | s|loup | it was brought by devil to stop working on addons *g* |
| 14:31.41 | Wobin | http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/3dlogic.swf |
| 14:31.42 | s|loup | http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/3dlogic.swf |
| 14:34.00 | krka|work | it's evil |
| 14:34.03 | krka|work | all puzzles are evil |
| 14:34.23 | krka|work | though now i'm not sure it's trivial to solve algorithmically |
| 14:34.52 | krka|work | i've seen a programming competition problem that was more or less identical, but i didn't solve that problem either :P |
| 14:39.00 | SinePi | hmm. Are the PTRs down, or what? I've generated a character from the provided ones, and I cannot choose a realm with the test client... |
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| 14:40.56 | End | they are wanting to bring them back up today |
| 14:41.00 | End | but they don't have an ETA |
| 14:41.23 | End | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-test&t=285270&p=1&tmp=1#post285270 |
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| 14:46.26 | Corrodias | 15 is the first challenging level... and by that, i mean the one that has me stuck for a moment |
| 14:51.39 | Corrodias | i solved it, but my ability to visualize the puzzle does not extend to that point and certainly not beyond |
| 14:58.50 | Kirkburn | Hehe... what do you get when you cross a crazy english girl, Pepsi and some Mentos: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8694244338798619086 |
| 15:04.26 | Kirkburn | Oh, and this is very very good :) http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Animator+vs+Animation/ |
| 15:10.01 | Kaso | Indeed it is |
| 15:10.10 | Kaso | shame ebaum stole it, dirty thief |
| 15:10.27 | Kirkburn|out | Doesn't surprise me :/ |
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| 15:41.07 | Ratbert_CP | ! |
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| 16:22.50 | JoshBorke | lol Ratbert_CP |
| 16:28.15 | Kaso | How much can you spam ChatMessages before you need to worry about being DCed for flooding |
| 16:30.24 | Cide | a lot, usually |
| 16:30.46 | Cide | say, 3-4 messages a second should be fine |
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| 16:41.10 | Kaso | hmm |
| 16:41.36 | Kaso | perhaps i'll do some testing, do SavedVars get saved when you DC? |
| 16:42.05 | Cide | I believe so |
| 16:42.17 | Cide | and I don't think it's a hardcoded limit |
| 16:42.28 | Cide | well, it might be, but it includes the client's normal data flow too, I think |
| 16:42.41 | Kaso | hmm i see |
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| 16:47.21 | Kirkburn | Anyone have a view on whether you think the hackwow wiki should be allowed to be linked on the wowwiki? |
| 16:48.33 | Kirkburn | I mean, how 'hacky' is it really? |
| 16:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Uhh |
| 16:49.25 | ScytheBlade1 | That looks like a pretty legit site |
| 16:53.42 | Wobin | address? |
| 16:56.26 | ScytheBlade1 | google "hackwow" |
| 16:56.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It's actually a pretty upstanding site |
| 16:56.41 | Gryphen | it's zeegs |
| 16:57.14 | Gryphen | he moved the wiki that was on wowguru to there |
| 17:02.08 | JoshBorke | i found a bug in one of wereHamster's addons! WOOHOO! |
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| 17:06.42 | kaiden | is there anyway to invoke a slash command from within macro from luaslinger for instance? |
| 17:09.30 | zenzio | such patience |
| 17:11.17 | Elkano | MoonWolf, I'm still tweaking my algorithem a bit in order to not spam too many lines. If you have some time to asist me a bit, I'll try to put it into a branch then :) |
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| 18:14.19 | JoshBorke | can someone confirm something for me? |
| 18:14.27 | JoshBorke | i seem to be having some oddities in the way events are fired |
| 18:16.54 | JoshBorke | if I just cast a heal on myself one time, i get CHAT_MSG_SPELL_SELF_BUFF followed by SPELLCAST_STOP |
| 18:17.45 | JoshBorke | hrm, even weirder |
| 18:18.07 | JoshBorke | if i cast Holy Light (2.5 second cast) I get CHAT_MSG_SPELL_SELF_BUFF followed by SPELLCAST_STOP |
| 18:18.25 | JoshBorke | if i cast Flash of Light (1.5 second cast) I get SPELLCAST_STOP followed by CHAT_MSG_SPELL_SELF_BUFF |
| 18:18.53 | krka|work | maybe there's not clearly defined order of those events |
| 18:19.11 | JoshBorke | well that stinks!@ |
| 18:20.42 | Kaso | I always get Self_Buff before Stop |
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| 18:22.35 | Kaso | oh hello |
| 18:22.56 | Kaso | If i heal someone else it goes in the oppoiste order |
| 18:23.18 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 18:23.32 | JoshBorke | it appears to swap for me when I go from Holy Light to Flash of Light 'rapidly' |
| 18:24.10 | JoshBorke | actually, with FoL i'm getting 2 spellcast_stop's |
| 18:24.18 | Kaso | Well the chat_msg has always been an aproximation, what your client think's going on. |
| 18:24.48 | JoshBorke | isn't it sent by the server? |
| 18:25.28 | Kirkburn | Great, another bloody vandal on the wiki |
| 18:26.17 | Kaso | well i guess it must be somehow, but i mean you often get teh combat log getting order of things wrong |
| 18:26.17 | Kirkburn | Oh crap, he's going mad |
| 18:26.22 | Kirkburn | Grrr |
| 18:26.43 | Kaso | like Fred's heal hits bill for 2000, mob hits bill for 100 bill dies. stuff |
| 18:27.22 | Kaso | ha ha nice name on the vandal |
| 18:29.08 | Kirkburn | I'm not impressed. |
| 18:29.22 | Kaso | you gonna wait to revert or keep going? |
| 18:29.56 | Kaso | bah, Mexi-fry as well |
| 18:30.08 | Kirkburn | Dunno, hopefully he'll get bored soon |
| 18:30.42 | Kaso | is there a way to see all of a user's edits? |
| 18:30.47 | Kirkburn | Ah, he's just redoing it over my reverts, he must be having fun |
| 18:30.50 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 18:30.57 | Kirkburn | Go to his user page, bottom left toolbox |
| 18:31.22 | Kaso | ah lovely |
| 18:32.21 | Kirkburn | You just gotta wonder what kind of mindset makes you do that |
| 18:32.44 | Kaso | I dont know he;s been going for like half an hour, i cant be that entertaining can it? |
| 18:32.49 | JoshBorke | is wowi ever gonna offer SVN service? ^_^ |
| 18:33.42 | Kirkburn | If he wants to do it to every single article, it's gonna take him a while. And then it'll all disappear when an admin appears |
| 18:33.46 | Gryphen | opensvn, nice free service, havent had any trouble |
| 18:33.56 | Kaso | can admins do mass reverts? |
| 18:35.16 | Kirkburn | I've been told so |
| 18:35.43 | Kaso | makes sense i guess |
| 18:35.46 | Kirkburn | They need to add more admins though |
| 18:35.57 | Gryphen | I just alerted Alex, he is banning them |
| 18:36.09 | Kirkburn | Oh great, more than one! |
| 18:36.37 | Kirkburn | cool |
| 18:37.04 | Kaso | poof! |
| 18:37.27 | Kirkburn | Thanks Gryphen |
| 18:38.20 | Kirkburn | Co-ordinated attacks, eh, they must really be bored |
| 18:39.28 | Kirkburn | Humourously, I now know the name of the 'fumf' guy, as his friend wrote it in one of the vandalisms ... Mark |
| 18:39.48 | Kirkburn | He's back! |
| 18:39.57 | Gryphen | As what? |
| 18:40.02 | Kaso | ha ha how stupid is he |
| 18:40.04 | Kaso | Themasterandcommandorofttheworld |
| 18:40.06 | Kirkburn | Themasterandcommandorofttheworld |
| 18:40.17 | Kaso | taking bets on how long till ban, 30 sec, 40 maybe? |
| 18:40.22 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 18:40.28 | Kaso | This is more entertaining that TV! |
| 18:41.37 | Kirkburn | Also 'Rabbitt', it appears |
| 18:42.53 | Kaso | Fried too |
| 18:43.55 | Kirkburn | And Sasume |
| 18:45.51 | Kaso | whats the policy on things like User:Polymorphmebaby a spam userpage |
| 18:46.29 | Kirkburn | If it's just spam, and not a proper user, you can probably tag it {{speedydelete}} |
| 18:46.44 | Gryphen | is he testing? |
| 18:47.29 | Kirkburn | Hmm, odd page that |
| 18:48.39 | Kirkburn | It's categorising itself atm, which isn't technically allowed, but it's probably best to see what he does |
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| 18:52.04 | Kaso | well that was a nice 10min of drama |
| 18:54.36 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 18:55.27 | Kirkburn | 'Mark and friends' they shall henceforth be known as :) |
| 19:01.15 | AnduinLothar | 2 down, 1 to go |
| 19:02.13 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 19:02.19 | AnduinLothar | finals |
| 19:02.38 | JoshBorke | good luck |
| 19:02.42 | zenzio | http://www.wowwiki.com/Spaulders_of_Valor <-- whoever wrote this was wrong about drop location |
| 19:05.19 | Kirkburn | Fix it? |
| 19:06.13 | Kaso | ah the wonders of wikis :> |
| 19:06.15 | zenzio | I only view wikis |
| 19:06.23 | zenzio | they confused me |
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| 19:09.42 | Kaso | Enjoy Zenzio |
| 19:10.41 | zenzio | \o/ |
| 19:15.56 | Kirkburn | Hmm, a tangled web of intruige I spy on the wiki ... someone is blaming their brother for what happened. Someone called Mark. |
| 19:16.08 | AnduinLothar | mark up? |
| 19:16.27 | Kaso | I saw you deleted it from the vandles page |
| 19:17.16 | Kirkburn | Yeah, until he responds I'm not gonna start blaming him |
| 19:17.26 | Kaso | but im confused greatly now |
| 19:17.27 | Kirkburn | (User:Rabbitt) |
| 19:17.52 | Kirkburn | Have a look at the last few edits he made |
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| 19:19.38 | Kaso | hmm |
| 19:20.02 | Kaso | but didnt he delete all the crap to add his "Sorry" message |
| 19:20.35 | Kirkburn | Indeed so, so I'm gonna be watching him closely |
| 19:21.00 | Kirkburn | Of all the methods of apologising, more vandalism isn't one :P |
| 19:21.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Is it possible to enumerate all known patterns for a profession? |
| 19:21.33 | ScytheBlade1 | (Patterns, Enchants, Recipies, whatever) |
| 19:21.33 | Kirkburn | I think so |
| 19:21.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm looking for something that'll basically let me copy+paste (or upload SavedVariables) to a website |
| 19:22.01 | Kirkburn | Known to whom, tho? |
| 19:22.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That'll list all professions |
| 19:22.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Self |
| 19:22.08 | AnduinLothar | yes, but it's a pain in the ass |
| 19:22.18 | ScytheBlade1 | See, that's what I was afraid of ;) |
| 19:22.33 | AnduinLothar | same thing as enumerating quests |
| 19:22.48 | AnduinLothar | you have to save the state, expand them all, enumerate and restore the state |
| 19:23.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't suppose you know most all of the API calls that I'd need to use off the top of your head, do you? |
| 19:23.42 | AnduinLothar | mope |
| 19:23.55 | AnduinLothar | look at one of the mods that organizes it |
| 19:26.18 | ScytheBlade1 | What do you mean by save/restore the state? |
| 19:26.39 | AnduinLothar | what's expanded and visible |
| 19:26.48 | AnduinLothar | int he tree |
| 19:26.58 | ScytheBlade1 | oh okay |
| 19:33.49 | Kirkburn | Ooh, Germany v Poland atm |
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| 19:54.00 | AnduinLothar | why doesn't this work: string.gsub(CHAT_MSG_GUILD, "%[", "%%[") |
| 19:54.12 | AnduinLothar | should replace [ with %[ |
| 19:54.21 | AnduinLothar | but it doesn't find any |
| 19:54.48 | zenzio | why the % before the [? |
| 19:54.58 | AnduinLothar | escape char |
| 19:54.59 | Wobin | magic character |
| 19:55.06 | Wobin | what's CHAT_MSG_GUILD? |
| 19:55.12 | zenzio | in that case shouldn't it be %%[ in the second? |
| 19:55.16 | Wobin | The event? |
| 19:55.16 | AnduinLothar | [Guild] |
| 19:55.18 | zenzio | arr, three %s |
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| 19:55.41 | Wobin | I don't think the escape chars are needed for the 'replacement' |
| 19:55.56 | Wobin | It's just a string [Guild]? |
| 19:56.04 | AnduinLothar | in english, yes |
| 19:56.57 | Wobin | returns %[Guild] for me |
| 19:57.54 | AnduinLothar | ... that would be logical... but running it command line i get 0 replacements |
| 19:57.55 | Abenadi | question: my mod queries talent tree and i noticed it doesn't always work when I do it right away in the onload function. What event would be a more appropriate time to check talent spec? |
| 19:58.11 | AnduinLothar | PEW |
| 19:58.36 | AnduinLothar | unless the lua pritn function uses escapes too.. |
| 19:59.00 | zenzio | /script message(CHAT_MSG_GUILD); -> Guild |
| 19:59.06 | zenzio | does message() script []? |
| 19:59.11 | zenzio | er... strip |
| 19:59.22 | zenzio | (somehow I can't type tonight) |
| 19:59.27 | AnduinLothar | lol silly me |
| 19:59.30 | Wobin | yeah |
| 19:59.34 | AnduinLothar | CHAT_GUILD_GET |
| 19:59.42 | AnduinLothar | CHAT_GUILD_GET = "[Guild] %s:\32" |
| 19:59.50 | AnduinLothar | CHAT_MSG_GUILD = "Guild" |
| 19:59.51 | Wobin | That'd do it |
| 20:00.45 | AnduinLothar | that's better |
| 20:02.02 | zenzio | why the \32, does it normally tirm trailing spaces? |
| 20:02.08 | zenzio | ffs, trim |
| 20:02.19 | AnduinLothar | no idea |
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| 20:12.05 | ckknight | back |
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| 20:21.31 | Mikk | Ok, Kirkburn, you owned me. I'm here. Now what nick are you hiding behind? :-) |
| 20:21.45 | Kirkburn | Hello :) |
| 20:21.47 | Mikk | Oh, kirkburn. |
| 20:21.57 | Kirkburn | Strange, that :P |
| 20:22.22 | Kirkburn | What a fun evening it has been on the wiki ... |
| 20:22.48 | Mikk | Aye, 12 year olds with too much free time ftl. |
| 20:23.27 | Mikk | Oops, sod it, NickServ is telling me that I'm stealing someone's nick. |
| 20:23.33 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 20:23.54 | Kirkburn | Seems User:Rabbitt may have had something to do with it, but it's hard to work out the truth |
| 20:24.14 | _Mikk | Yeah he edited one of the vandalisms and said something about his brother and please don't ban him etc |
| 20:24.31 | Kirkburn | Fun whilst it lasted though :P |
| 20:24.32 | _Mikk | Alex would probably be able to tell from IP address logs |
| 20:24.35 | _Mikk | Not that it's important |
| 20:24.55 | ckknight | lol |
| 20:25.06 | Kirkburn | Well, anyway, welcome :) |
| 20:25.18 | ckknight | I'm pretty sure you can force the fake Kirkburn off with your nickserv pass |
| 20:25.29 | ckknight | the command is ghost or something |
| 20:25.32 | Kirkburn | I'd rather you didn't! |
| 20:25.41 | _Mikk | o.O |
| 20:26.08 | ckknight | ? |
| 20:26.16 | Miravlix | It's /msg nickserv recover <nickname> password |
| 20:26.19 | Kirkburn | *is |
| 20:26.19 | ckknight | I am horribly confused about the situation |
| 20:26.47 | Kirkburn | aha! |
| 20:27.04 | _Mikk | Who am I insulting btw? :-) |
| 20:27.05 | Kirkburn | ckknight, Mikk's name is already taken, not mine! |
| 20:27.26 | ckknight | ah |
| 20:27.26 | ckknight | I see |
| 20:27.35 | Kirkburn | It's best to spread it around, insult everyone, don't have favourites :P |
| 20:28.33 | _Mikk | Good point, you odiferous clay-brained whey-face! |
| 20:28.57 | Tain | Uwe Boll wants to get into a boxing ring with anyone who wants to badmouth his movies. |
| 20:29.07 | Kirkburn | heh. [No, I am not also going to look up an insult generator] |
| 20:29.13 | _Mikk | ;) |
| 20:29.16 | Tain | http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151452 |
| 20:29.27 | Kirkburn | So I hear, Tain :D |
| 20:30.42 | Kirkburn | (btw, to those who don't know, Mikk is 'guy who is overhauling the wowwiki') |
| 20:31.00 | Tain | You can't keel haul the wiki! We love it! |
| 20:31.06 | Tain | Oh.. overhaul. |
| 20:31.35 | Kirkburn | riiiight ... sailor |
| 20:32.21 | Kirkburn | (I'm not sure if that was going to turn into an insult :) |
| 20:32.58 | Tain | An insult! Why you... insulter. |
| 20:33.58 | _Mikk | A: INSULT. B: COUNTER-INSULT. A: COUNTER-COUNTER-INSULT! B: CLEVER RIPOSTE! A: COMMENT ABOUT MATERNAL HERITAGE! (etc...) |
| 20:34.10 | Kirkburn | Familiar ... :) |
| 20:34.22 | _Mikk | I still laugh at it every time I see it though :-) |
| 20:34.35 | _Mikk | Damnit, the wiki has made me revert to oldtime smileys |
| 20:34.51 | _Mikk | Modern ones look like frogs in sans serif |
| 20:35.02 | Kaso | frogs? |
| 20:35.23 | _Mikk | No space between eyes and mouth, and extremely wide mouths |
| 20:35.46 | Kaso | ribbit |
| 20:35.51 | _Mikk | touche |
| 20:35.58 | Kirkburn | aah, I see :) :) :) :) |
| 20:36.19 | Kaso | Im a triangular brackets smilie sorta guy |
| 20:36.33 | _Mikk | Not that I see the difference atm. I haven't installed a sane IRC program since my HD ate itself, so I'm using Opera's builtin. And it comes with... *shudder*... automatic emoticons that can't be turned off. |
| 20:36.37 | Kirkburn | Damn, you reminded me of those new Apple adverts again with that 'touche' .... *grumbles* |
| 20:36.53 | _Mikk | Pwnd. I don't watch TV anymore ;) |
| 20:36.56 | Kaso | Oh man i hate those so much. |
| 20:37.27 | Kirkburn | Who wants to watch TV when you can edit a wiki for 12 hours in a row |
| 20:37.27 | ckknight | ;-) :-P |
| 20:37.54 | _Mikk | I moved ~2 years ago and got crap all reception in the living room. Meant to fix an antenna on the roof, but never got around to it. Suddenly I realized that bittorrent was all I really needed. |
| 20:38.22 | _Mikk | I've pretty much given up on the antenna project now :-) |
| 20:38.23 | Kirkburn | I'm in italy, so torrents are about the only way I can get good TV |
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| 20:38.30 | _Mikk | Haha |
| 20:39.05 | _Mikk | I sure don't miss the commercial breaks, that's for sure. |
| 20:39.26 | Tain | Just put in my satellite radio home bracket! |
| 20:39.46 | Kirkburn | Hah, that's why being british is so great, watch the BBC and never be bothered by them again :D |
| 20:40.04 | _Mikk | So, anyway... *rewinds a bit* Overhauls... I'm not sure I'll be doing that much more atm, I'm kinda dry on good ideas right now. Can think of a couple of things but I'm not sure how much they'd actually _help_. |
| 20:40.07 | Kaso | BBC is truely great. |
| 20:40.18 | _Mikk | Thinking I'll actually get started on posting the stuff I came to wowwiki to do :-) |
| 20:40.22 | Kirkburn | zomg, you're slowing?! |
| 20:40.37 | _Mikk | (Ooooo, hey, this is the right place for that, come to think of it) |
| 20:41.09 | Kirkburn | Why'd you think I made you come here :) |
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| 20:41.44 | _Mikk | Anyone care to lend a helping hand to a command-line WoW API emulator implemented wholly in Lua? I have the XML parser and basic APIs in place to allow the majority of mods to load and get past the initial bout of system events :-) |
| 20:42.30 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, tell me about the bug ;0 |
| 20:43.06 | Kaso | _Mikk that sounds pretty awesome |
| 20:43.10 | _Mikk | (I'm basically not thinking of it as "my" project. Ultimately, it's too much work for any single person. I was thinking I'd mostly just dump an intro on wowwiki and let people add whatever APIs they need themselves and plug it as a community project or something.) |
| 20:43.36 | _Mikk | Yeah, I'm liking it so far for my own development. Debugging becomes a whole hell of a lot easier |
| 20:44.00 | _Mikk | Not that I've actually gotten a real Lua debugger to WORK. The ones I've found tend to either crash and burn when you sneeze on them, or just be able to debug a single Lua file. |
| 20:44.19 | _Mikk | But I've implemented a command-line debugger that allows you to look at call stacks, examine local+global variables, etc... |
| 20:44.34 | ScytheBlade1 | _Mikk, and OS limitations? |
| 20:44.38 | Kirkburn | Getting stuff on the wiki about it would be an excellent idea |
| 20:44.48 | _Mikk | Scythe: It's Lua. It runs everywhere :-) |
| 20:44.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Just asking :) |
| 20:45.14 | _Mikk | Well ok I have some file fiddling that's currently win32 cmd.exe calls, but they're only a handful. Could easily fix it up to talk bash too. |
| 20:45.23 | ScytheBlade1 | mmmmmm bash |
| 20:45.34 | ScytheBlade1 | oops, forgot my time zone |
| 20:46.01 | ScytheBlade1 | brb |
| 20:46.57 | Kirkburn | eh? |
| 20:47.10 | _Mikk | fook knows :-) |
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| 20:54.02 | _Mikk | Right |
| 20:54.20 | _Mikk | My only real dilemma now is where to put the whole shabang |
| 20:54.54 | Kirkburn | Development help addons? |
| 20:54.59 | _Mikk | One idea is to upload it to one of the addon sites, but then there'd have to be a couple people with account name and password, and they'd have to sync patches with eachother, and accept submissions for others. |
| 20:55.00 | _Mikk | Doh |
| 20:55.12 | _Mikk | The actual code I mean :-) |
| 20:55.18 | Kirkburn | Ah, I see |
| 20:55.23 | ScytheBlade1 | What are you looking for? |
| 20:55.35 | _Mikk | Just a sane place to upload the actual project |
| 20:55.43 | Kirkburn | Sourceforge? |
| 20:55.52 | Legorol | sourceforge. |
| 20:56.01 | _Mikk | Meh. :-) |
| 20:56.02 | ScytheBlade1 | SVN? CVS? What are you looking for? |
| 20:56.02 | Legorol | publically readable svn, |
| 20:56.07 | Kirkburn | Paladin Assistant has a similar setup ... releases on worldofwar, but dev goes on on sourceforge |
| 20:56.12 | Legorol | with those with write access that you choose |
| 20:56.30 | _Mikk | That means I'd have to fix my bloody linux box :-) |
| 20:56.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah |
| 20:56.38 | _Mikk | Ooo |
| 20:56.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Google tortise svn |
| 20:56.43 | _Mikk | SVN for win32 |
| 20:56.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Only spelled correctly |
| 20:56.44 | Legorol | definitely some form of SVN though |
| 20:56.44 | _Mikk | Yeah I just remembered |
| 20:56.52 | Legorol | most addon codes seem to prefer SVN |
| 20:56.57 | End | unless you feel like using cvs YUCK YUCK |
| 20:56.58 | ScytheBlade1 | How big is the project? (kB) |
| 20:57.03 | End | although |
| 20:57.09 | _Mikk | Only been using SVN under *nix so far. Totally forgot there was a windoze version too |
| 20:57.11 | End | cvs is a really big mess in win32 :P |
| 20:57.17 | _Mikk | I hate cvs with a passion |
| 20:57.19 | End | so yeah |
| 20:57.20 | _Mikk | Don't worry :-) |
| 20:57.21 | End | just got svn |
| 20:57.22 | Legorol | svn has nice client and server support in windows |
| 20:57.23 | End | er |
| 20:57.23 | End | go |
| 20:57.26 | Legorol | get |
| 20:57.30 | Legorol | git |
| 20:57.32 | _Mikk | lol |
| 20:57.33 | Legorol | oops |
| 20:57.37 | Legorol | that's actually a word :) |
| 20:57.41 | End | I don't think he wants git |
| 20:57.46 | Legorol | probably not, no |
| 20:58.04 | Gryphen | opensvn :) |
| 20:59.19 | _Mikk | Tortoisesvn ftw |
| 20:59.25 | _Mikk | Right.. project size |
| 20:59.58 | _Mikk | About 200kb |
| 21:00.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Not bad |
| 21:00.14 | _Mikk | It was a busy week :-) |
| 21:00.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd say so |
| 21:00.57 | Legorol | how far did everyone get with http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/3dlogic.swf? |
| 21:01.09 | Legorol | (no ? at the end) |
| 21:01.29 | Kaso | 13 :< damn logic puzzles. |
| 21:01.37 | Kirkburn | Still works with the '?' :) |
| 21:01.45 | End | only 16 or 17 but I stopped with the intention of going back :P |
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| 21:02.52 | Kirkburn | cool game |
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| 21:03.19 | Kirkburn | Utterly confusing at first, but cool afterwards |
| 21:04.38 | Legorol | totally addictive |
| 21:04.45 | Legorol | ckknight last reported being on 28 |
| 21:04.50 | Legorol | i'm on 23 and going |
| 21:05.09 | Legorol | going slowly, that is :) |
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| 21:06.19 | _Mikk | Truth be told though. Half my time on wowwiki has been cleaning up after SilverStub :-) |
| 21:08.45 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 21:08.56 | Kirkburn | Also known as "The Mentor" |
| 21:09.20 | _Mikk | No, he's "The Smentor" now |
| 21:09.30 | Kirkburn | Thanks to us, yeah :P |
| 21:10.43 | Kirkburn | I do reckon the wiki does look a lot better than a month ago now. When I came across the Blood Elf page it looked like an newbie html conference |
| 21:11.06 | _Mikk | Huh, did I change anything that affected _that_? :-) |
| 21:11.32 | _Mikk | Ah, no, that was your job :-) |
| 21:11.43 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 21:14.42 | End | huuuauah? |
| 21:14.49 | End | huuaaaah huuuaaaah? |
| 21:16.31 | Kirkburn | I'm stuck on level 16 :( |
| 21:16.38 | Legorol | yeah, that's the first tough one |
| 21:16.40 | Legorol | it's a milestone |
| 21:16.52 | Legorol | it's thoroughly recommended you figure that one out yourself without a spoiler |
| 21:16.56 | Kirkburn | I just can't get the green and yellow to fit |
| 21:16.58 | _Mikk | Okay... stumped at step 1. I start creating an account, and the verification mail hasn't arrived yet. Question is: is the mail just lagging, or does the message "Before registering an account, you should review our Terms of Use Agreement and Privacy Policy." meant that they've given me the finger? |
| 21:17.00 | Legorol | because it forces you to think about the game in a different way |
| 21:17.15 | Legorol | Kirkburn: the coloring is random, so saying green and yellow doesn't help |
| 21:17.24 | Kirkburn | ah |
| 21:17.26 | Legorol | unless you post a screenie of it |
| 21:17.47 | Legorol | i can give you a general tip though if you like, without spoiling it |
| 21:18.35 | Legorol | On 16, you have to start thinking like you do in minesweeper: |
| 21:18.47 | Legorol | instead of thinking about what can i do here, you have to start thinking "ok, what *can't* i do here" |
| 21:19.05 | Kirkburn | okies |
| 21:19.29 | Legorol | e.g. things like: ok, this color can't possibly go this way because blah blah |
| 21:19.47 | Legorol | if you can't solve it, i can give you further hints |
| 21:19.58 | _Mikk | Ah, it actually meant that they gave me the finger. Reading their policies and filling out my stuff again worked. |
| 21:20.04 | _Mikk | Except now they're telling me to wait up to 24 hours |
| 21:20.23 | Legorol | you know, finger used to be a cool utility... |
| 21:20.46 | Legorol | still is, at my university, you can finger almost anyone |
| 21:20.49 | _Mikk | Aye. Replacing the fingerd with fun stuff never ceased to amuse me :-) |
| 21:22.06 | Kirkburn | "at my university, you can finger almost anyone" ... great quote :D |
| 21:22.18 | _Mikk | finger @81.233.236.26 |
| 21:22.27 | _Mikk | have no idea if it'll actually work today but... worth a shot |
| 21:22.44 | _Mikk | i'm sorely lacking shell boxes outside my home network atm :( |
| 21:23.44 | Kirkburn | I need another hint :/ |
| 21:23.51 | End | I was asking for a finger, I using the finger! |
| 21:24.08 | End | s/was/wasn't/ |
| 21:24.33 | Kirkburn | Did it! |
| 21:24.41 | _Mikk | Grats! |
| 21:24.42 | _Mikk | I think |
| 21:24.43 | ScytheBlade1 | So are they going to run another round of PTR, or is it patch day next tuesday? |
| 21:24.46 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 21:25.00 | Legorol | grats, Kirkburn |
| 21:25.03 | Kirkburn | Six days away, lots can change |
| 21:25.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ... that answers neither question ;) |
| 21:25.30 | _Mikk | (Anyone that's registered to slowsforge lately know if I actually have to wait for human interaction before I can use it? Or is their mail server just being a bit laggy?) |
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| 21:45.42 | Kirkburn | Level 26! |
| 21:46.22 | ckknight | grats |
| 21:48.23 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 21:48.44 | Kirkburn | Did you reach 30? |
| 21:49.14 | ckknight | I don't play WoW |
| 21:49.35 | ckknight | oh |
| 21:49.42 | ckknight | the 3d game? |
| 21:49.44 | ckknight | 3d logic? |
| 21:49.51 | ckknight | that what you talking about? |
| 21:50.03 | ckknight | I was the first one to beat that, here |
| 21:50.17 | Kirkburn | Darn you, 28 now :) |
| 21:50.17 | _Mikk | (Pardon for sticking my nose in but ... erm... why is someone here that hasn't played WoW? :-)) |
| 21:50.38 | _Mikk | (Or "how come", rather.. not "why") |
| 21:51.02 | ckknight | because I code instead |
| 21:51.16 | Kirkburn | *cough* Fubar *cough* |
| 21:51.21 | ckknight | because the light of creation burns inside of me, and without placating it, it will devour me. |
| 21:51.35 | Kaso | you have a wow account though? |
| 21:52.02 | _Mikk | If he doesn't, I want what he's been using for development. |
| 21:52.08 | _Mikk | So I can scrap mine. |
| 21:52.37 | Kaso | well you could be really good at coding write all the code from your mind then get someone else to test it :> |
| 21:52.39 | _Mikk | (Hrm.. just remembered that WoWEmu exists... nm that) |
| 21:52.42 | chuckg | Hahah what the hell. |
| 21:52.47 | _Mikk | Kaso: HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:52.48 | _Mikk | ;) |
| 21:52.49 | chuckg | ckknight, you don't even play WoW? |
| 21:53.10 | chuckg | So you make something, see that it works and start making something else? |
| 21:53.10 | chuckg | D= |
| 21:53.23 | ckknight | as I said, if I don't continuously placate my need to create things, I grow malcontent |
| 21:53.35 | chuckg | And start trying to create religions? |
| 21:53.38 | chuckg | *cough* |
| 21:53.50 | _Mikk | Create a couple level60 tier2 equipped wow toons. That'll keep you busy for a while :-) |
| 21:53.54 | ckknight | that's mostly a social experiment |
| 21:53.58 | ckknight | I'm working on Ace2 now |
| 21:54.00 | ckknight | and such. |
| 21:54.06 | Kaso | thats a good idea chuckg, look at old L.Ron he made a forture |
| 21:54.14 | ckknight | hells yea |
| 21:54.19 | Kirkburn | Fubar, converting you to the ckknight cult little by little |
| 21:54.31 | ckknight | it's called Cocoonism, Kir |
| 21:54.33 | Kirkburn | woah |
| 21:54.35 | ckknight | Kirkburn* |
| 21:54.39 | chuckg | Ace2? |
| 21:54.43 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:54.50 | chuckg | Who's 'project lead' on that? |
| 21:54.57 | chuckg | Or working on it, rather? |
| 21:54.58 | Kirkburn | It's like Ace, but with a 2 after the name |
| 21:55.05 | ckknight | Kaelten, but I've been the only one coding on it for a little while |
| 21:55.34 | chuckg | What's Ace2 bringing to the table Ace doesn't? More blaot!? |
| 21:55.42 | chuckg | That's a bloat. |
| 21:55.43 | ckknight | ... |
| 21:56.00 | ckknight | are you one of the anti-Ace people? |
| 21:56.04 | chuckg | Not at all. |
| 21:56.09 | ckknight | oh, okay |
| 21:56.12 | chuckg | "More bloat" might imply that ace has none or a lot. |
| 21:56.13 | ckknight | well, Ace2 is fully embedded |
| 21:56.22 | ckknight | it also |
| 21:56.29 | ckknight | damn |
| 21:56.30 | chuckg | Embedded in what? |
| 21:56.31 | chuckg | D= |
| 21:56.31 | ckknight | brb |
| 21:56.38 | _Mikk | Aye I was just gonna ask :-) |
| 21:56.41 | _Mikk | Inside Ace? |
| 21:57.12 | chuckg | Embedded inside it's bed of embedding. |
| 21:57.50 | _Mikk | He hid it all inside _G._index ! |
| 21:59.53 | chuckg | I'm wondering if it'd be better to make my own frame creation code or just use Iriel's. |
| 21:59.59 | chuckg | Probably iriel's. |
| 22:00.18 | Kirkburn | Yay, I won! |
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| 22:01.39 | Kaso | Whoever linked that game first, consider yourself on my list of first to die when i take over the world, its so bloody annoying! |
| 22:02.04 | Kirkburn | Legorol did it! /points |
| 22:03.17 | Kaso | and im still just on level 17 :< |
| 22:03.39 | Legorol | actually wasn't me ;-) |
| 22:03.42 | Legorol | someone else started it |
| 22:03.44 | Legorol | i just continued |
| 22:04.35 | Kaso | just when you think its going sooo well, bam you've got a blue that's cornered in! |
| 22:05.42 | _Mikk | vows too |
| 22:06.09 | Kaso | haha |
| 22:06.14 | Kaso | wow on the mind |
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| 22:09.10 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 22:12.51 | ckknight | kaso it's fun |
| 22:12.57 | ckknight | I love pattern finding games |
| 22:13.10 | Kaso | It fills me with the rage of a thousand suns |
| 22:13.15 | ckknight | Ace2 is an embedded framework |
| 22:13.20 | ckknight | so you include it in your addon |
| 22:13.46 | Kirkburn | Well, I'd say it's more like a black hole, sucking you in |
| 22:14.50 | Kirkburn | Here's how italian TV is stupid ... The Osbornes is DUBBED |
| 22:15.14 | Kirkburn | What were they thinking??! |
| 22:16.38 | SinePi | everything in Italian TV is dubbed, isn't it? |
| 22:17.25 | Kirkburn | Pretty much, it's a dire state of affairs |
| 22:18.01 | SinePi | if they dubbed it well, I wouldn't complain, though... |
| 22:18.19 | Kirkburn | Although, I am currently watching a advert for rimjobs |
| 22:18.22 | _Mikk | ckknight: aaaaaahh, nice one. |
| 22:18.26 | Kirkburn | (in english) |
| 22:18.38 | _Mikk | that's something i've been missing, really, from function libraries in general |
| 22:18.56 | _Mikk | it's not as if people running wow are going to go out of disk space by having a few more copies of a library |
| 22:19.22 | _Mikk | (Though I suppose the Lua parser memory pool might suffer) |
| 22:19.49 | Kirkburn | Yeah the problem with libraries so far has been that people don't like downloading more addons |
| 22:19.49 | _Mikk | Yep |
| 22:19.54 | _Mikk | Heck, I even don't like it myself |
| 22:20.16 | Kirkburn | If you effectively hide the fact they are, all is good :) |
| 22:20.18 | _Mikk | Luckily I'm teh uberz skillz c0der so I don't need to depend on libs ;) |
| 22:20.29 | Kirkburn | natch |
| 22:20.44 | Kirkburn | Have you released many? |
| 22:20.48 | Kirkburn | (addons) |
| 22:20.50 | _Mikk | Haha no |
| 22:20.55 | _Mikk | Just inter-guild stuff |
| 22:20.57 | _Mikk | intra* |
| 22:21.34 | _Mikk | Haven't done much WoW development. Only started recently. My Copies Free Time the past year was eaten by actually _playing_ WoW. |
| 22:21.41 | Kirkburn | How awful for you :P |
| 22:21.51 | _Mikk | s/Copies/Copius/ |
| 22:22.28 | _Mikk | I've been writing software for ~20 years though >.< |
| 22:22.34 | _Mikk | (aye, started young :-)) |
| 22:23.00 | SinePi | and you're? |
| 22:23.06 | _Mikk | now? 31. |
| 22:23.15 | SinePi | booya. :P |
| 22:23.57 | SinePi | 26, coding since 5. Yes. Basic on a ZX. Pwnd! pissfight commence :P |
| 22:24.17 | _Mikk | Ok, I started when I was 9. It's actually 22 years now. |
| 22:24.24 | _Mikk | Basic on an Atari 600XL |
| 22:24.28 | _Mikk | Followed by a ZX |
| 22:24.31 | SinePi | 800XL. |
| 22:24.34 | _Mikk | My fingers still hurt when I think of that one |
| 22:24.38 | Tain | I hacked my mom's DNA in Assembly while in the womb. |
| 22:24.41 | _Mikk | lol |
| 22:24.47 | ckknight | you know |
| 22:24.51 | ckknight | I made the universe. |
| 22:24.55 | ckknight | beat that. |
| 22:24.58 | Tain | I have bug reports to file on that. |
| 22:25.04 | SinePi | ckknight: and it sucks, beat that. |
| 22:25.07 | _Mikk | You're just a figment of my imagination. I don't need to beat you. |
| 22:25.10 | ckknight | yea, there are bugs. |
| 22:25.11 | ckknight | I know |
| 22:25.17 | Tain | MS Universe XP |
| 22:25.46 | ckknight | http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=17848 |
| 22:26.18 | _Mikk | Ok sine, you pwn me on starting young. I use the fact that were bloody no home computers until I was 9 as an excuse :-) |
| 22:27.55 | ckknight | I'm still gonna go with my universe-creation deal |
| 22:28.29 | _Mikk | Hush figment, stop competing with me. You can't win. |
| 22:28.59 | _Mikk | (That's almost Shakespearean that is.. being referred to as a figment.) |
| 22:29.39 | Kirkburn | (but mostly it's just weird) |
| 22:30.09 | ckknight | I've been using a computer since I was 4 or so |
| 22:30.14 | Kirkburn | I would have started coding young if I'd had something to code on :/ |
| 22:30.40 | ckknight | I created a microbiological simulation in C++ when I was 10 or so |
| 22:30.46 | Kirkburn | Wow |
| 22:31.02 | ckknight | it was a bunch of cells in an aqueous environment |
| 22:31.09 | ckknight | had to find food and such |
| 22:31.13 | ckknight | evolve |
| 22:31.17 | Tain | Hello world! |
| 22:31.24 | ckknight | hehe |
| 22:31.29 | Kirkburn | I started using a computer about the same time as you (er, I'm 21, so if that's earlier or later I dunno), but I never got past Basic :P |
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| 22:32.01 | SinePi | _Mikk: quite well excused, actually. Can't beat the lack of hardware accessible, can you. :) |
| 22:32.36 | Kirkburn | Tru dat |
| 22:32.52 | Kirkburn | "According to PlayGadgets.com, a large shipment of black DS Lites bound for Europe, along with a stockpile of DS games, has gone missing in Hong Kong. The estimated value of the merchandise, which was sealed in a cargo container, is 18,000,000 Hong Kong dollars (roughly $2.3 million)." |
| 22:33.05 | Tain | It was pirates! |
| 22:33.10 | Tain | Piracy is killing the game industry! |
| 22:33.19 | ckknight | http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=17800 |
| 22:34.16 | ckknight | ^--- great |
| 22:34.30 | ckknight | well, it involves Mario |
| 22:34.34 | ckknight | and everyone loves him |
| 22:35.59 | Kirkburn | What an odd selection that website gave me |
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| 22:38.31 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 22:40.18 | ckknight | http://www.eskimo.com/~spban/bread.html |
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| 23:04.03 | Kirkburn | Zomg, it's Casino Royale! http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/casinoroyale/large.html |
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| 23:10.59 | Kirkburn | Yay for the wiki vandal returning :/ |
| 23:11.07 | _Mikk | Seriously? |
| 23:11.10 | _Mikk | What a twat |
| 23:11.12 | Kirkburn | Same guy |
| 23:11.27 | Kirkburn | Fortunately, he's already been blocked :) |
| 23:11.36 | Qzot | What's he been up to? |
| 23:11.45 | _Mikk | Should create some choice insults on his talk page tbh |
| 23:12.07 | _Mikk | Something regarding the inadequate size of his genitals and how he'd be better off learning how to be a human being |
| 23:12.18 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 23:12.48 | Kirkburn | He's been wiping loads of pages, replacing it with insults or telling us he loves us |
| 23:13.18 | Qzot | On wowwiki? |
| 23:13.21 | Kirkburn | yeah |
| 23:13.33 | _Mikk | Looks like he's just doinking "random page" and then pasting his crap |
| 23:13.38 | _Mikk | There's no logic to where he's editing |
| 23:13.57 | Gryphen | looks botted |
| 23:14.31 | Kirkburn | He deleted a reference to his possible name last time though |
| 23:14.51 | _Mikk | Nah, not fast enough to be botted. He's vandalizing two pages a minute. |
| 23:14.59 | Qzot | Things like this make me despair for the human race. |
| 23:14.59 | _Mikk | A bot would have been at 10ish |
| 23:15.08 | Kirkburn | See here: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=WoWWiki%3ACommunity_Portal%2FProjects&diff=162753&oldid=162750 |
| 23:15.51 | Kirkburn | I mean, he's not even funny like the willy on wheels guy |
| 23:16.01 | _Mikk | Guy's actually just being a total dickwad and sitting there manually trashing stuff |
| 23:16.03 | Kirkburn | (impersonator, anyway) |
| 23:16.23 | _Mikk | Too much free time and too many pimples still on his face |
| 23:17.02 | Kirkburn | Least he was stopped more quickly this time :) |
| 23:17.26 | _Mikk | Watch him set his alarm clock for 4 in the morning and get up and vandalize half the wiki before mommy calls him down for breakfast |
| 23:19.37 | Kirkburn | Gryphen told me to message Alex on AIM if he returns ... if only I had AIM :P |
| 23:20.16 | _Mikk | IM is satan |
| 23:20.36 | Kirkburn | Hmm, maybe not then :) |
| 23:21.35 | _Mikk | Turns you into a slobbering baboon just hovering over your computer waiting for the next "Dinngggggg!", completely and utterly keeping you paralyzed and unable to go do anything else :P |
| 23:21.49 | _Mikk | Much like IRC >.< |
| 23:22.13 | _Mikk | (Except IRC doesn't ding so you can actually forget about it occasionally) |
| 23:22.19 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:22.25 | Kirkburn | Nice pic: http://www.ondmis.dk/billeder/rodekasse/exam.jpg |
| 23:24.27 | Kirkburn | :) I'm off to bed ... g'night all! |
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| 23:37.02 | Qzot | exit |
| 23:39.04 | _Mikk | Do I go all-out evil and GPL the thing, or do I just Public Domain it? |
| 23:41.53 | _Mikk | haha |
| 23:42.23 | _Mikk | GPL = Noone can benefit from my hard work! PD = Go ahead and sell it if you like, as long as it's free to everyone that's smart enough to look. |
| 23:42.48 | Kaso | ah right i understand whathcha getting at |
| 23:43.13 | Tain | That's a fairly mis-stated explanation of the GPL. |
| 23:43.31 | _Mikk | It carries truth though :-) |
| 23:44.21 | _Mikk | I currently have the distinct displeasure of choosing an OS platform for a piece of networking software at work. |
| 23:44.25 | _Mikk | I'd like to say "Linux!" |
| 23:44.30 | Tain | Nah, not at all. Maybe if you define "benefit" as "sell for cash" then you could almost justify stretching it. |
| 23:44.38 | _Mikk | But I find myself not daring to because of GPL |
| 23:44.48 | _Mikk | GPL says that userland applications never count as derivative work |
| 23:44.56 | _Mikk | But it has no such exception for kernel plugins |
| 23:45.09 | _Mikk | Doesn't even matter if they've existed for 10 years before getting compiled as a kernel module |
| 23:46.22 | _Mikk | I like the BSD license. I don't like the fact that the only BSD that'll run on the platform in question is TheoBSD :-) |
| 23:46.27 | ckknight | it's basically public domain with attribution |
| 23:46.30 | _Mikk | s/Theo/Open/ |
| 23:46.41 | Tain | Yeah, I'm actually researching right now if the hardware I'm buying will work with fBSD ok for a SATA RAID5 fileserver. |
| 23:46.48 | ckknight | I'm talking about the license, not the OS |
| 23:47.03 | _Mikk | Aye I know |
| 23:47.55 | _Mikk | Yeah, calling it a BSD license with attribution to "The WoWBench development community" works. |
| 23:47.59 | _Mikk | I'll pick that. |
| 23:48.23 | Tain | I like the FU license. Do whatever you want with it but if you try to blame me for anything.. FU. |
| 23:48.34 | _Mikk | Lol |
| 23:48.47 | _Mikk | That'd be PD + "you can't sue me!" clause then ;-) |
| 23:49.24 | ckknight | BSD also has a no warranty clause |
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| 23:53.03 | _Mikk | Silly sourceforce. It doesn't have Games/Entertainment:MMORPG.ö |
| 23:53.18 | _Mikk | It has MUD and FPS AND RTS. But not MMORPG. |
| 23:55.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:57.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Just how complete is this project of yours? |
| 23:57.13 | _Mikk | Depends on your mod. |
| 23:57.18 | _Mikk | Some mods can go from alpha to release in it |
| 23:57.20 | _Mikk | Some... not. |
| 23:57.25 | ScytheBlade1 | What's missing? |
| 23:57.30 | _Mikk | Random APIs |
| 23:57.36 | _Mikk | All depends on what APIs you call |
| 23:57.53 | _Mikk | I've only implemented what I've used myself.... well, and the mods I've been testing with. |
| 23:58.02 | _Mikk | Of course, the widget API is one huge hoax atm |
| 23:58.10 | _Mikk | Didn't see much point in doing anything properly in a text mode program. |
| 23:58.36 | _Mikk | One could conceivably run under LuaCheia, which has a window manager, and plop up dialogs that look more or less like they do in WoW |
| 23:58.41 | _Mikk | But it ain't gonna be me :-) |
| 23:58.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
