| 00:00.21 | kaso | I do |
| 00:00.49 | Tain | Do you run directly to an input on the LCD, or through your PC? |
| 00:02.07 | kaso | I go via a tuner card in my pc |
| 00:02.32 | Tain | I'm trying to decide if I should buy a TV or just get a second monitor. |
| 00:02.59 | Tain | But I would use it for TV primarily, so I'm just not sure. |
| 00:03.31 | Kirkburned | Depends on the monitor |
| 00:03.46 | Kirkburned | If it's big, and you're getting digital TV, I'd say go for it |
| 00:04.28 | Tain | No, I'm looking for something small. I was looking at 15-20" LCD TVs. |
| 00:05.05 | Kirkburned | Still, if it produces a good picture, I'd say go for it |
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| 00:05.24 | Kirkburned | A TV does one thing ... a monitor has many uses |
| 00:05.45 | Tain | Right, and I could justify to myself spending a little more for a quality monitor. Not that I should. |
| 00:05.51 | Kirkburned | :) |
| 00:06.52 | Tain | But I also want to make sure it's good picture quality for standard definition television. |
| 00:07.00 | Tain | This wouldn't be high-def at all. |
| 00:07.49 | Tain | Ah maybe I'll take my chances with a $200 TV and see what it looks like. |
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| 00:51.04 | cladhaire | Does 1.11 fix the EditBox multi-line bug? |
| 00:51.05 | cladhaire | the one where nothing wraps? |
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| 01:37.31 | Legorol | cladhaire: what bug exactly is that one? |
| 01:37.46 | Legorol | I know that in 1.10 an EditBox won't wrap text if it has no spaces |
| 01:37.55 | Legorol | is that what you mean, or is it something else? |
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| 01:38.28 | Legorol | If it's that one, then afaik it's the same in 1.11 |
| 01:46.23 | cladhaire | thats what I mean =) |
| 01:46.25 | cladhaire | that sucks =/ |
| 01:46.31 | cladhaire | i need to extend my edit box now. |
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| 02:08.33 | Legorol | cladhaire: you will be happy to know that i have just tried, and |
| 02:08.51 | Legorol | the behaviour of multiline editboxes with long text with no spaces is changed in 1.11 |
| 02:09.09 | Legorol | it now wraps the text, rather than showing a ... at the end |
| 02:09.25 | Legorol | However, I am not sure why people label this as a bug. |
| 02:09.51 | Legorol | The root cause of the problem is that the XML properties set on the special FontString associated with an EditBox are getting ignored, |
| 02:10.04 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 02:10.06 | Legorol | or rather we have no way (in XML or Lua) to affect said FontString's attributes |
| 02:10.17 | Legorol | in particular, it's the nonspacewrap attribute that is important here |
| 02:10.42 | Legorol | Under 1.10 at least, setting that attribute to true or false in the XML has no effect on the EditBox |
| 02:10.45 | Legorol | i haven't tried in 1.11 |
| 02:11.01 | cladhaire | I haven't played with it much, but thats good to know. |
| 02:11.03 | Legorol | however, i suspect that all that happened was that the hard-coded value of that attribute got changed, thereby "fixing" the bug |
| 02:11.21 | Legorol | Bit of background for you: |
| 02:11.48 | Legorol | the ... thing you are getting is exactly what a FontString does in general, if you have a text that is too long, has no spaces, and you have set nonspacewrap="false" |
| 02:12.08 | cladhaire | correct |
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| 02:12.15 | cladhaire | i just didn't know we couldn't alter the editbox font. |
| 02:12.17 | Legorol | All that's happening with the EditBox is that it's applying this rule to its special FontString |
| 02:12.24 | Legorol | yeah, we can't |
| 02:12.27 | Legorol | at least not in 1.10 |
| 02:12.43 | Legorol | So what we really need here is not a "fix" for the bug, but rather a way to access the special FontString of the EditBox |
| 02:12.55 | Legorol | kind of like how you can access the ones for a Button now |
| 02:13.18 | Legorol | What I have actually tried in 1.10 is this: |
| 02:13.44 | Legorol | <EditBox> <FontString nonspacewrap="true" inherits="GameFontNormal"/> ... filler ... </EditBox> |
| 02:13.55 | Legorol | this had no effect, demonstrating that the attribute is getting ignored |
| 02:14.13 | Legorol | since the 1.11 servers just went down, i can't try to see if the attribute is now honored, |
| 02:14.20 | Legorol | or they merely changed the hard-coded value from false to true |
| 02:14.53 | Legorol | by the way, this has implications on dynamically creating EditBoxes using purely Lua |
| 02:14.54 | cladhaire | well thanks =) |
| 02:15.04 | Legorol | I haven't tried yet, but I don't beleive there is a way to do that atm |
| 02:15.23 | Legorol | since, just like the problems with Buttons, you can't dynamically create the special FontString of the editbox |
| 02:15.29 | Legorol | </Lecture> |
| 02:15.36 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:15.36 | cladhaire | <3 |
| 02:16.04 | Legorol | I don't think we have time to request better dynamic support for 1.11 of this |
| 02:16.11 | Legorol | maybe for 1.12 |
| 02:17.17 | Legorol | oh goodie, test server back up |
| 02:18.30 | Legorol | Ok, just as I thought, in 1.11 as well the nonspacewrap attribute is completely ignored |
| 02:18.49 | Legorol | Here is the editbox i'm playing with, identical code in 1.10 and 1.11: |
| 02:18.59 | Legorol | <EditBox name="TestWrapping" inherits="TestFrameTemplate" id="9" autofocus="false" multiline="true"> |
| 02:18.59 | Legorol | <Scripts> |
| 02:18.59 | Legorol | <OnUpdate/> |
| 02:18.59 | Legorol | <OnEscapePressed> |
| 02:18.59 | Legorol | TestFrame_EventHandler("OnEscapePressed"); |
| 02:18.59 | Legorol | this:ClearFocus(); |
| 02:19.01 | Legorol | </OnEscapePressed> |
| 02:19.03 | Legorol | </Scripts> |
| 02:19.05 | Legorol | <FontString inherits="GameFontNormal" nonspacewrap="false"/> |
| 02:19.07 | Legorol | </EditBox> |
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| 02:19.39 | Legorol | Irrespective of the value of the nonspacewrap attribute, in 1.10 the behaviour is to do a ..., and in 1.11 the behaviour is wrap the text |
| 02:33.41 | Legorol | wahey, it's actually possible in 1.11 to completely dynamically create an EditBox |
| 02:33.57 | Legorol | it all works, goodie |
| 02:34.11 | Legorol | except that there is no way to affect the nonspacewrap attribute |
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| 02:36.56 | Thrae | Ogaming has evily taken the http://www.worldowarcraft.com "typo" and redirected it to wow.ogaming.com. |
| 02:37.03 | Thrae | EVVVIIIIL! I hate it when people do that. |
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| 02:46.30 | Legorol | hm, where's Iriel when you need him... ah well |
| 02:52.23 | Miravlix | what do you need? |
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| 02:53.22 | Legorol | woot! |
| 02:53.26 | Legorol | speak of the devil |
| 02:53.31 | Iriel | Am I a buff or an offensive spell? |
| 02:53.36 | Legorol | You are a buff |
| 02:53.50 | Legorol | Iriel: If both the <ButtonText> (type FontString) and the <NormalFont> (type Font) elements are present in the XML, the font settings of which one are used for the normal state of the button, and why? |
| 02:53.59 | Legorol | (sorry for the sudden question) |
| 02:54.10 | Legorol | i am trying to understand the new system for Buttons |
| 02:54.19 | Iriel | I need to digest that one, one moment |
| 02:54.22 | Legorol | sure |
| 02:54.55 | Iriel | My understanding would be NormalFont |
| 02:54.57 | Legorol | afaik, under the new system, a Button is allowed to have 4 elements: <ButtonText>, <NormalFont>, <HighlightFont>, <DisabledFont> |
| 02:55.27 | Iriel | state changes will in turn apply the *Font fonts to the ButtonText font string |
| 02:55.41 | Legorol | ok, so setting the font properties of the <ButtonText> should have no effect |
| 02:55.57 | Legorol | i guess i should try and see |
| 02:56.09 | Legorol | related question: |
| 02:56.39 | Legorol | including the brand-spanking new methods for Buttons, |
| 02:56.46 | Miravlix | I think there is 4 font types |
| 02:56.57 | Legorol | the dynamic equivalent of the above 4 elements would be |
| 02:57.15 | Iriel | Yeah, i'd try and see if there are wierdnesses, Do remember that Font objects can have 'not set' properties, as can FontStrings, so it's POSSIBLE that settings explcitly placed on the ButtonText wont be altered by the state changes at all |
| 02:57.18 | Iriel | it depends how it's implemented |
| 02:57.44 | Legorol | Button:SetFontString, Button:<doesn'texist>, Button:SetHighlightFontObject, Button:SetDisabledFontObject |
| 02:58.20 | Legorol | there are only 3 API methods to set "stuff" associated with fontstring/font |
| 02:58.29 | Legorol | so i'm not quite sure how they tie in with the 4 XML elements |
| 02:58.59 | Iriel | Button:SetTextFontObject |
| 02:59.05 | Legorol | well the highlight/disabled ones are clear enough |
| 02:59.17 | Legorol | ah, right |
| 02:59.20 | Legorol | missed that one :) |
| 02:59.26 | Iriel | I had to hunt for it |
| 02:59.27 | Legorol | cool |
| 03:00.32 | Iriel | There';s only 3 text states I know of, normal, highlight, and disabled |
| 03:00.37 | Iriel | Pushed is just an offset version of normal |
| 03:00.41 | Iriel | or highlight, or disabled |
| 03:00.44 | Legorol | yup, i understand that part |
| 03:00.46 | Iriel | depending on the rest of the context |
| 03:00.50 | Legorol | under 1.10, it's clear enough.. |
| 03:01.00 | Legorol | 3 fontstrings in XML, 3 SetXXFontObject API methods |
| 03:01.26 | Legorol | so i guess from 1.11 it should be 1 fontstring (to store text) and 3 fonts (to store font info) |
| 03:01.31 | Iriel | yes |
| 03:01.37 | Legorol | right |
| 03:01.39 | Iriel | so the game only has to manage the text on one font string |
| 03:01.46 | Iriel | and can change its display via the font object |
| 03:01.58 | Legorol | so if i want to poke something, i should try to see how the font settings on the fontstring and the NormalFont interact |
| 03:02.02 | Iriel | the only question will be how they do property inheritance |
| 03:02.15 | Legorol | righty |
| 03:02.23 | Legorol | ok, thanks for clearing that up |
| 03:02.30 | Legorol | having done that, i also have question about EditBox |
| 03:02.42 | Legorol | which is in a somewhat similar situation, since it has a special FontString element too (in XML) |
| 03:02.46 | Iriel | Hm, I know less about that than Buttons 8-) |
| 03:03.09 | Legorol | having played around with it in 1.10 (and somewhat in 1.11), it seems the <FontSring> in XML is only used for getting font properties |
| 03:03.27 | Iriel | That'd be consistent with the 1.11 API's |
| 03:03.34 | Legorol | e.g. you can completely leave off the <FontString> element, and instead use a font="GameFontNormal" in the XML of the EditBox, and it works |
| 03:03.42 | Iriel | It has all of the FontInstance methods |
| 03:03.51 | Legorol | yup |
| 03:03.54 | Legorol | so far so good |
| 03:04.07 | Legorol | the problem is the "wrapping-bug" everyone is annoyed about |
| 03:04.12 | Legorol | which is fixed in 1.10 |
| 03:04.18 | Legorol | s/1.10/1.11/ |
| 03:04.56 | Legorol | The issue: in 1.10, if a multiline EditBox has text with no spaces that is too long, it doesn't get wrapped, but gets placed in the center of the EditBox, truncated and ... added at the end |
| 03:05.11 | Legorol | In 1.11 the behaviour is that such a text gets wrapped |
| 03:05.26 | Legorol | However, I thought about it and I think that the issue is a bit more deeply rooted |
| 03:05.48 | Legorol | If you look at it in the 1.10 framework, where an EditBox has a <FontString>, basically the XML attributes of the FontString are ignored |
| 03:06.04 | Legorol | i tried it and setting nonspacwrap="true/false" in the XML on that FontString has absolutely no effect |
| 03:06.20 | Legorol | (which is consistent with our observation that the FontString is only used to get Font properties and nothing else) |
| 03:06.41 | Iriel | Well, slouken fixed a bunch of EditBox formatting quirks for 1.11 |
| 03:06.52 | Legorol | yes, that's what i am talking about |
| 03:06.58 | Legorol | from an organizational point of view |
| 03:07.03 | Iriel | I think the EditBox is using its own layout manager |
| 03:07.15 | Legorol | basically i am trying to say that the <FontString> element of an EditBox should be deprecated |
| 03:07.41 | Legorol | and API methods added to the EditBox to control its wrapping behaviour |
| 03:07.59 | Legorol | e.g. EditBox:SetNonSpaceWrap/CanNonSpaceWrap |
| 03:08.00 | Iriel | I'm not sure i'd agree with the deprecated statement |
| 03:08.08 | Legorol | alternatively, the FontString should stay, but then you need: |
| 03:08.17 | Legorol | 1) a way to create/access it from dynamic code |
| 03:08.24 | Iriel | The font string is a means to an end, rather than implying the existance of it in reality |
| 03:08.33 | Legorol | ok |
| 03:08.37 | Iriel | As is used in SimpleHTML, etc |
| 03:08.48 | Legorol | i am not familiar with that one :( |
| 03:08.56 | Legorol | i guess what i am trying to say is that |
| 03:08.59 | Iriel | Where they're simply vestiges of the XML by which you can specify properties without burdening the main element with a crapload of elements |
| 03:09.09 | Legorol | right |
| 03:09.27 | Legorol | ok for example, if you create an EditBox completely dynamically from Lua, |
| 03:09.34 | Legorol | you never specify a FontString |
| 03:09.37 | Iriel | If I interpret the rest of your suggestion correctly, you're saying "I'd like more formatting control ove reditboxes" |
| 03:09.40 | Legorol | you just set a Font object for the EditBox |
| 03:09.46 | Iriel | Regardless of how it's achieved |
| 03:09.55 | Legorol | mmm... not exactly |
| 03:10.01 | Iriel | You can also call all of the font formatting functions on the editbox directly |
| 03:10.06 | Legorol | i don't mind gaining or losing formatting control, i'd like consistency between XML and dynamic code |
| 03:10.08 | Iriel | You dont NEED a "Font" object |
| 03:10.24 | Iriel | The only difference is that in the XML you apply those 2 two objects |
| 03:10.35 | Iriel | and in the LUA it's all applied to one |
| 03:10.55 | Legorol | ok that's what i mean then |
| 03:11.07 | Iriel | I'd imagine if backward compatibility weren't an issue, they'd have replaced that FontString with a Font |
| 03:11.07 | Legorol | that an EditBox is a FontInstance, so it carries its own Font properties |
| 03:11.16 | Legorol | so why is there a <FontString> element in the XML |
| 03:11.20 | Legorol | that doesn't seem to make sense then |
| 03:11.27 | Iriel | because EditBox (in the XML) doesn't have those attribbutes |
| 03:11.43 | Legorol | hmm |
| 03:11.47 | Legorol | i see |
| 03:11.52 | Legorol | ok i see what you mean |
| 03:12.11 | Legorol | then you are right, to be consistent with how a Button does it, the FontString should be replaced with a Font |
| 03:12.26 | Legorol | it's then consistent with the Button and dynamic Lua |
| 03:12.49 | Iriel | Yes, but there's no big win for changing it, other than consistency |
| 03:12.54 | Iriel | so I doubt it'll get changed any time soon |
| 03:13.01 | Iriel | The actual implementation of Button changed, however |
| 03:13.07 | Iriel | so it needed to be updated to reflect that |
| 03:13.21 | Legorol | fair enough |
| 03:13.29 | Legorol | ok, then consistency aside.. |
| 03:13.41 | Legorol | what about more control of EditBox's wrapping behaviour |
| 03:14.01 | Legorol | from what I can tell from poking, an EditBox has its own FontString embedded inside it, if you like |
| 03:14.07 | Iriel | That's back to my "You want more formatting control over EditBoxes" comment was |
| 03:14.09 | Legorol | in the sense that it has SetText/GetText etc. |
| 03:14.12 | Legorol | yup |
| 03:14.16 | Iriel | Yes, or a FontString equivalent |
| 03:14.17 | Legorol | i am now on to that question :-) |
| 03:14.21 | Legorol | yeah |
| 03:14.29 | Iriel | I'd say think about whay you need, and request them 8-) |
| 03:14.31 | Legorol | my guesstimate is that whatever this FontString equivalent is, |
| 03:14.41 | Legorol | it has a hard-coded equivalent of nonspacewrap |
| 03:14.42 | Iriel | I suspect it's an EditBox 8-) |
| 03:15.00 | Legorol | well they could've reused large portion of FontString code |
| 03:15.05 | Iriel | It's likely got internal layout, and cursor management, multi-line code, etc |
| 03:15.09 | Legorol | the layout behaviour of an EditBox is identical to a FontString |
| 03:15.18 | Legorol | even the multi-line part |
| 03:15.46 | Legorol | Looking at it from a reverse engineering point of view, I would state the following: |
| 03:16.04 | Legorol | an EditBox behaves in all respects like a FontString, but with some of the attributes hardcoded |
| 03:16.20 | Iriel | I think you'd have to make that... |
| 03:16.27 | Iriel | "The layout of text in an EditBox behaves in all...." |
| 03:16.29 | Legorol | one of the changes between 1.10 and 1.11 is that the hardcoded value of the nonspacewrap attribute changed from false to true |
| 03:16.35 | Iriel | I can't click on a FontString and type text into it 8-) |
| 03:16.36 | Legorol | ok fair enough |
| 03:16.39 | Legorol | true |
| 03:16.59 | Legorol | lol, clad|sleep found it too boring and fell asleep |
| 03:17.04 | Legorol | gnight clad|sleep |
| 03:17.13 | Iriel | It's definitely worth requesting non space wrap toggles for 1.12 |
| 03:17.23 | Legorol | oki |
| 03:18.15 | Legorol | it's just that everyone was labelling it as a bug, and in 1.11 it's heralded as a "fix", whereas in my interpretation all we have is an attribute change, and both are working as intended :) |
| 03:18.39 | Iriel | I'd say it's almost certainly a 'change', but it could be 'inadvertant' |
| 03:18.51 | Iriel | If only I could spell 8-) |
| 03:18.57 | Legorol | oh i'm pretty sure it's in response to people complaining.. |
| 03:19.07 | Legorol | editboxes truncating text was annoying lot of poeople |
| 03:19.30 | Legorol | oki well thanks for the discussion |
| 03:19.37 | Legorol | that cleared up all my questions i think |
| 03:19.58 | Legorol | moral of the story: stop following UI.xsd |
| 03:20.20 | Legorol | if it smells like a FontString, is defined like a FontString, validates like a FontString, doesn't mean its attributes are honored :D |
| 03:21.13 | Iriel | Indeed, it may be a FontString, or it may simply be a 'prototype object, used for collecting properties, but not actually used as a font string" |
| 03:21.49 | Legorol | which is why i'd prefer it to be changed to a Font |
| 03:21.55 | Legorol | but i agree that it's not a priority |
| 03:22.24 | Legorol | in a neat little ideal world you shouldn't be able to specify more in the XML than the purpose the object serves |
| 03:22.48 | Iriel | yeah, but then we're into a debate between making the XML overly complex versus keeping it simple |
| 03:23.05 | Iriel | Knowing how much 'fun' XSD creation is, I'd have done what they did 8-) |
| 03:23.19 | Legorol | mmm.. naughty |
| 03:23.27 | Legorol | that misleads reverse engineers |
| 03:23.41 | Legorol | :-) |
| 03:24.16 | Legorol | to be honest, i see why they did what they did originally |
| 03:24.25 | Legorol | and now with the new Font object they are tidying it up |
| 03:24.27 | Legorol | it's all good |
| 03:24.47 | Iriel | some say 'misleads', others 'provides interesting challenges for' 8-) |
| 03:25.01 | Legorol | i like order and precision... |
| 03:25.07 | Iriel | We should be happy they didn't take the iTunes approach to XML |
| 03:25.26 | Legorol | an element that, according to the XSD can have a particular attribute, where that attribute has no effect whatsoever, is not order ;-) |
| 03:25.35 | Legorol | iTunes approach? O.o |
| 03:25.50 | Wobin | Packing Quicktime with it? |
| 03:26.05 | Legorol | that's not entirely true, Wobin |
| 03:26.19 | Legorol | if you read the small print, there is in fact a hidden tiny link that takes you to a quicktime-only download page |
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| 03:26.48 | Legorol | oh wait, that's the other way around |
| 03:26.59 | Legorol | sorry i thought you meant "packing iTunes with Quicktime" |
| 03:27.05 | Legorol | ignore me |
| 03:27.21 | Crispix | YAYY |
| 03:27.25 | Crispix | IM ON MY NEW PUTER! |
| 03:27.25 | Crispix | :D |
| 03:27.32 | Legorol | grats Crispix |
| 03:27.35 | Legorol | did your computer ding? |
| 03:27.47 | Crispix | from 1 to 60 in about 2 seconds :D |
| 03:28.13 | Crispix | AMD Sempron 3500 |
| 03:28.13 | Crispix | 994 Mhz 512 Ram.. |
| 03:28.13 | Crispix | ATI Radeon X700 Series graphics card. from a 1.8 gig 512 ram with nvidia ti4200 card :) |
| 03:28.27 | Iriel | Ah, no, I just meant their barely structured XML |
| 03:29.25 | Legorol | Iriel, is it too early to start a 1.12 request thread? |
| 03:29.37 | Crispix | heh |
| 03:29.37 | Legorol | i guess it is.. last time slouken grumbled when it got started prematurely |
| 03:29.45 | Crispix | I made a back up of my interface and wtf directory ^_^ |
| 03:29.52 | Iriel | yeah, as soon as 1.11 goes live i'll create one tho |
| 03:30.04 | Legorol | hm, i'll post in the 1.11 thread then.. |
| 03:30.14 | Legorol | might make it in :) |
| 03:30.26 | Legorol | speaking of which, when is 1.11 going live? |
| 03:30.29 | Iriel | Heh, post it there so we can rmember it anyway |
| 03:30.31 | Legorol | next week any likely? |
| 03:30.42 | Iriel | I dunno, I simultaenously hope and fear for next week |
| 03:30.55 | Iriel | depending on whether I have my 'player' or 'developer' hat on |
| 03:31.06 | Iriel | (And no, I dont wear an actual hat for either) |
| 03:31.18 | grimman | More like cap, no? |
| 03:31.21 | Miravlix | Whats up with Google, isn't it enough I worship the ground they touch, they need to have all my data too! |
| 03:31.34 | grimman | Miravlix: Just submit. *snicker* |
| 03:31.39 | grimman | (pun intended) |
| 03:31.57 | grimman | Also, good morning everyone! |
| 03:32.18 | Cairenn | hi grimman |
| 03:32.57 | grimman | Hi. =) |
| 03:32.59 | Dolby-wowi | Iriel I thought you had special socks player/developer |
| 03:33.24 | Miravlix | Computer Search, Gmail and now Google Synch so I can move my settings between computers. |
| 03:34.07 | Dolby-wowi | google knows what you did last summer |
| 03:34.53 | Miravlix | I did nothing, so they most be bored |
| 03:36.46 | Miravlix | Browser Synch is perfect when they get the IE extension done for it |
| 03:37.18 | Miravlix | Then I will be sync'ing 3 browsers, thats going to make life easier. |
| 03:37.32 | Miravlix | 4 if you count the SlowTop |
| 03:38.26 | Crispix | Does anyone here have a ATI Raedon X700? |
| 03:38.29 | Miravlix | Hmm, the sync signup wizard isn't working though. |
| 03:39.28 | grimman | Crispix: Not really, but I'm curious as to why you ask. |
| 03:39.39 | Iriel | ok, off home, have fun folks |
| 03:39.44 | grimman | /bye Iriel |
| 03:39.48 | Crispix | I can't figure out where to change the desktops for multiple desktops ;_; |
| 03:40.05 | grimman | Oh. |
| 03:40.07 | grimman | You don't. |
| 03:40.14 | grimman | You use an extra wide wallpaper. |
| 03:40.14 | Crispix | wha? |
| 03:40.17 | Crispix | Uhhhh |
| 03:40.24 | Crispix | On my ti4200.. it used to allow it o_O |
| 03:40.36 | grimman | I just assume you mean wallpaper. ;P |
| 03:40.38 | Gryphen | i havent seen it without a 3rd party app |
| 03:40.54 | Crispix | ah |
| 03:40.56 | Crispix | damn.. okay |
| 03:41.27 | grimman | But it's easy, you know. Merging wallpapers is simple stuff, even in Paint. |
| 03:42.55 | grimman | Hrm @ signature. I'm going "bla bla bla, no criminals etc" and my last.fm generated signature image is topped by "Norther - Death unlimited". |
| 03:43.33 | Miravlix | I'm wrong they don't want all my data |
| 03:43.38 | Miravlix | I have to much. :) |
| 03:43.46 | grimman | Hrmpf. |
| 03:44.01 | grimman | There's no such thing as "too much" (which btw you spelled wrong) for Google. |
| 03:44.13 | grimman | =) |
| 03:44.43 | Miravlix | ... |
| 03:45.13 | Miravlix | How do you argue with the program terminating because I have to much data and telling me to turn off some stuff... |
| 03:45.51 | grimman | Your connection is too slow. |
| 03:45.53 | grimman | ;D |
| 03:46.19 | Miravlix | 2Mbit/512Kbit |
| 03:46.37 | Miravlix | If thats to slow for Google Sync it simply fails at life |
| 03:46.49 | grimman | ;P |
| 03:46.57 | grimman | Anyway, what's this Google Sync? |
| 03:47.00 | Miravlix | I have to spend 4-5 times as much to get more bandwith than I have. |
| 03:47.11 | Miravlix | Browser setting saver for Firefox |
| 03:47.18 | grimman | Oh, cool. |
| 03:47.20 | Miravlix | Stored in our Google account |
| 03:47.23 | grimman | Does it transfer addons too? |
| 03:47.31 | Miravlix | No idea |
| 03:47.39 | Miravlix | It doesn't transfair ANYTHING for me |
| 03:47.42 | grimman | ;P |
| 03:48.01 | grimman | URL me up please? |
| 03:48.15 | Gryphen | Google |
| 03:48.19 | Miravlix | I can't he is holding Firefox hostage while he updates |
| 03:48.20 | grimman | I did. |
| 03:48.47 | Gryphen | http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/browsersync/index.html |
| 03:48.50 | Miravlix | http://tools.google.com/firefox/browsersync/install.html |
| 03:48.53 | grimman | Thans. |
| 03:48.56 | grimman | Thanks* |
| 03:48.57 | Gryphen | any news site has it :) |
| 03:49.06 | Miravlix | was only the open window apparently |
| 03:49.23 | grimman | Didn't really check my news sources today. |
| 03:49.40 | grimman | Woke up, viewed some random documentary and that's about it. |
| 03:49.47 | grimman | Disregarding, of course, chatting. |
| 03:50.49 | grimman | ok, no extensions. |
| 03:51.00 | grimman | That's too bad. |
| 03:53.14 | Miravlix | ? |
| 03:53.35 | grimman | My browser, like my WoW client, is loaded with addons/extensions. |
| 03:53.52 | grimman | That+settings is what I'd really be interested in transferring in an easy manner. |
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| 03:54.22 | Miravlix | Rent a web hotel and put your favorit extensions up there, until google adds support for it. :) |
| 03:54.36 | grimman | I have a web hotel + my own servers. ;P |
| 03:54.40 | grimman | That's still not very optimal. |
| 03:54.43 | grimman | Sadly. |
| 03:55.20 | Miravlix | Yeah, just make a bookmark folder with links to your favorit extensions, works better. |
| 03:55.47 | Miravlix | Problem is with 'lots' you have to click a lot |
| 03:57.50 | grimman | ;) |
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| 04:57.20 | grimman | http://loot.dlxmedia.net/?f=pretty_fly.avi |
| 04:57.28 | grimman | Am I a bad person for recording stuff like that? |
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| 05:09.11 | Wobin | ~seen a-stray-cat |
| 05:09.23 | purl | a-stray-cat is currently on #wowi-lounge (3m 11s), last said: 'i see.'. |
| 05:09.24 | Wobin | ~last a-stray-cat |
| 05:09.45 | Wobin | ~seen a-stray-cat |
| 05:09.52 | purl | a-stray-cat <n=email@adsl-63-204-73-114.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 3d 22h 45m 41s ago, saying: 'i see.'. |
| 05:10.08 | Wobin | wow s/he said something =P |
| 05:11.13 | norganna | is anyone here who can invite into loadondemand? |
| 05:12.04 | norganna | Cairenn? |
| 05:12.10 | Cairenn | yo? |
| 05:12.15 | norganna | yay! |
| 05:12.39 | norganna | hey - my friend wants an invite into loadondemand, is that ok? |
| 05:12.50 | Cairenn | sure |
| 05:12.54 | norganna | he is an addon author :) |
| 05:12.56 | Cairenn | did I officer you? |
| 05:13.04 | norganna | er... don't think so |
| 05:13.10 | Cairenn | okay .. which side? |
| 05:13.25 | Cairenn | can't remember which is which ;) |
| 05:13.29 | norganna | alliance |
| 05:13.49 | Cairenn | char name? |
| 05:14.03 | norganna | he's not logged in yet |
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| 05:15.03 | norganna | daldain is his name |
| 05:15.28 | Cairenn | done |
| 05:15.37 | norganna | thankyou! |
| 05:15.44 | Cairenn | quite welcome :) |
| 05:16.02 | norganna | he's writing http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2593 (btw) |
| 05:19.03 | Wobin | Interesting |
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| 06:07.39 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:08.16 | ckknight | hey |
| 06:08.23 | ckknight | Iriel, here? |
| 06:08.42 | Iriel | Mostly |
| 06:08.57 | ckknight | I ripped out GetLibraryVersion, LibCreate, and LibDestroy |
| 06:09.08 | Iriel | Hm.. |
| 06:09.12 | ckknight | well, not so much ripped em out than made em private |
| 06:09.28 | ckknight | they're passed in by the Register method |
| 06:09.57 | Iriel | Does that make the library any messier to create? (I realize it simplifies the stub considerably) |
| 06:10.07 | ckknight | the stub is no less complex |
| 06:10.14 | ckknight | but this is proper code: |
| 06:10.25 | ckknight | AceLibrary:Register({}, "Alpha", 1) |
| 06:10.38 | ckknight | blank library, major version: "Alpha", minor version: 1 |
| 06:10.42 | ckknight | no create or destroy func |
| 06:11.09 | ckknight | the API is Register(lib, "major", minor [, createFunc] [, destroyFunc]) |
| 06:12.06 | ckknight | what this really means is that the API I specify for the library is _only_ what I want |
| 06:12.23 | ckknight | as external addons can't call LibCreate, LibDestroy, or GetLibraryVersion now |
| 06:15.24 | Iriel | Are you going to convince all the acefolk to adopt the new stub for new libraries? |
| 06:15.43 | ckknight | yes |
| 06:15.46 | ckknight | it's part of the Ace2 movement |
| 06:15.47 | Iriel | Cool |
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| 06:16.25 | Iriel | Whenever I have some free time (2007, perhaps?) I'll probably add an alternate implementation to my site with the various ace (and other) inspired changes |
| 06:16.39 | MoonWolf | yay |
| 06:17.06 | ckknight | okay |
| 06:17.11 | ckknight | just make sure to give attribution |
| 06:17.17 | ckknight | that's all I want for this |
| 06:17.25 | ckknight | there's 4 authors of AceLibrary |
| 06:17.33 | ckknight | you (Iriel), Tekkub, Cladhaire, and me |
| 06:17.49 | ckknight | granted, I drastically changed the structure from Clad's |
| 06:18.30 | Iriel | I've only really talked to you and clad about it, but i'm not sure which of the changes I liked came from him or tekkub |
| 06:18.59 | Iriel | But i'll likely just list everyone because you've all been the most aggressive users of it |
| 06:19.24 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 06:19.24 | ckknight | alternatively, you could just use AceLibrary |
| 06:19.27 | ckknight | lol |
| 06:19.30 | ckknight | nothing stopping that |
| 06:19.34 | MoonWolf | who besides varieus ace authers have been using your stub that you know of ? |
| 06:19.42 | Iriel | Last time I checked there were some things I didn't wholly like |
| 06:19.44 | MoonWolf | authors* |
| 06:19.49 | ckknight | Iriel, hrm |
| 06:20.28 | ckknight | like what, can I ask? |
| 06:21.17 | Iriel | I seem to recall some namespace stuff |
| 06:21.29 | ckknight | namespace stuff? |
| 06:21.55 | Iriel | I'll have to look back at my emails to clad |
| 06:22.46 | ckknight | okay |
| 06:23.45 | Iriel | function stub:Embed(namespace, version) |
| 06:23.47 | Iriel | that |
| 06:24.01 | Iriel | It's in AceHook.lua, perhaps not in AceLibrary |
| 06:24.28 | ckknight | okay |
| 06:24.38 | ckknight | yea, not an AceLibrary thing |
| 06:28.03 | Iriel | Hm, I thought of one problem with the instance re-use change you made |
| 06:28.40 | Iriel | There's a period of time during which the existing instance of a given library isn't quite complete |
| 06:28.50 | Iriel | Between when the copy happens and when create finishes |
| 06:29.26 | Iriel | That could be a problem if create happens to call a method that someone else hooked, and that hook happens to call a library function in an older instance |
| 06:29.37 | Iriel | Yes, that's entirely pathalogical |
| 06:30.24 | MoonWolf | sounds like a valid although very hyporthetic situation. |
| 06:30.33 | MoonWolf | hypothatical ? |
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| 06:34.11 | ckknight | I don't see that situation coming up |
| 06:34.18 | ckknight | oh |
| 06:34.19 | ckknight | hrm |
| 06:34.26 | Iriel | You can't STOP it from happening 8-) |
| 06:34.27 | ckknight | hooking would complicate the versioning deal |
| 06:34.49 | ckknight | don't hook libraries. |
| 06:34.57 | MoonWolf | big suprise there |
| 06:34.58 | ckknight | and only you can prevent forest fires, apparently |
| 06:35.14 | MoonWolf | it' s what the pandaren keep telling me. |
| 06:36.55 | Iriel | I'm not talking about hooking the library, though I agree that complicates things |
| 06:37.14 | Iriel | I'm talking about a library that calls an API function that's been hooked |
| 06:42.45 | ckknight | ah |
| 06:42.47 | ckknight | I see |
| 06:43.25 | ckknight | where's the problem? |
| 06:43.32 | krka|work | crap, why the hell is <fmt:message> synchronized? |
| 06:43.34 | ckknight | or, can you give an example? |
| 06:43.40 | krka|work | and <fmt:formatNumber> |
| 06:44.29 | Iriel | SuperAmazingLib contains all manner of super amazing functions |
| 06:44.37 | ckknight | it is amazing. |
| 06:44.48 | MoonWolf | super amazing even. |
| 06:44.51 | Iriel | an addon author happens to call one of them in a hook of UnitClass (for whatever reason we dont know) |
| 06:45.21 | ckknight | okay |
| 06:45.22 | Iriel | Now, suppose an updated minor version of SuperAmazingLib calls UnitClass in its create function, to optimize some internal lookup tables |
| 06:45.33 | ckknight | hrm |
| 06:45.34 | ckknight | I see |
| 06:45.38 | ckknight | ouchies |
| 06:45.52 | Iriel | (I've been debugging threaded code all week, so i'm feeling extra pathalogical) |
| 06:46.16 | ckknight | I'm glad WoW is single-threaded, really |
| 06:46.38 | Kalroth | threaded code is fun! |
| 06:46.42 | ckknight | oh yes |
| 06:46.44 | ckknight | it is |
| 06:46.47 | ckknight | no doubt there |
| 06:47.03 | Iriel | I love it |
| 06:47.11 | Iriel | but it breaks in the most frustrating and mysterious ways |
| 06:47.25 | Iriel | especially when you're using other people's "threadsafe" libraries |
| 06:47.52 | ckknight | yea |
| 06:48.09 | krka|work | i am currently crying over our webapp that had a lot of synchronized calls that really kicked the servers ass :/ |
| 06:48.50 | ckknight | hrm |
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| 08:27.35 | Iriel | Gnight all |
| 08:33.29 | s|loup | n8 |
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| 08:42.11 | kaso | good morning ^_^ |
| 08:45.56 | Maldivia | morning |
| 08:48.06 | kaso | i had a wierd dream, about furries :< |
| 08:48.52 | ckknight | weird |
| 08:48.53 | MoonWolf | dont resist it caso |
| 08:49.08 | kaso | rawr! |
| 09:09.24 | Maldivia | arghh |
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| 11:31.56 | s|loup | hey cide what is the best way to give you some new code for ct raid ? |
| 11:32.10 | Cide | mail, I guess |
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| 11:47.35 | Kirkburn | Ooooh, the Ashbringer quests! http://wowwalkthroughs.free.fr/Ashbringer-Quests/Ashbringer-Quests.html *SPOILER* |
| 11:54.39 | zenzelezz | "Father how the !&$%..?" |
| 11:57.11 | s|loup | Fairbank: Noob. Pwned. You are wrong. You only killed one of them. Other still lives! |
| 11:57.12 | s|loup | Outland.go there and find him. |
| 11:57.17 | s|loup | what other? |
| 11:57.22 | ckknight | ~moredots |
| 11:57.23 | purl | hit it like you mean it! |
| 11:57.35 | zenzelezz | think there'll be a heavy material cost on the Ashbringer like on the other legendaries? |
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| 12:02.34 | Kirkburn | s|loup, Other son :O |
| 12:02.49 | s|loup | thought he had only one son |
| 12:03.34 | s|loup | or can undead get childs? |
| 12:03.35 | Kirkburn | Didn't we all ... |
| 12:03.51 | Kirkburn | "Find his son whos well known for his modesty and faith." |
| 12:04.26 | Kirkburn | Doubt he's been undead long enough in the first place |
| 12:05.03 | Kirkburn | So far the only idea has been Turalyon |
| 12:05.39 | ckknight | s|loup, pretty sure they'd have to spend too many blood points to have a child |
| 12:05.48 | ckknight | I mean, you have to spend a whole blood point just to have sex |
| 12:06.13 | s|loup | maybe he is speaking about a son of the sword |
| 12:07.26 | s|loup | these sword is corrupted but theres a second one who was created by a part of the sword at forgotten times |
| 12:08.01 | zenzelezz | somehow this mention of the son of a sword makes me think of Silmarillion and all its weird weapons |
| 12:08.11 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 12:08.31 | Kirkburn | "It is most likely that its too late to cleanse the sword that you have on your hand. The vengeance embodied within the sword is too deep! But dont loose hope. If theres an end, theres a chance for a new beginning. Find his son whos well known for his modesty and faith. It has been rumored that even without the Corrupted Ashbringer, its possible to construct a new Ashbringer." |
| 12:09.27 | Kirkburn | I think it means a real son of Mograine, not the sword's son |
| 12:09.57 | Cide- | that translation is pretty stupid |
| 12:10.01 | zenzelezz | sounds more likely; but the sword thing doesn't sound like a bad theory either |
| 12:11.24 | s|loup | go out and repeat what they do so we can get the text in english ^^ |
| 12:12.07 | Cide- | http://wowscrubber.com/thread.php?f=wow-general&t=8642235#post8642235 |
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| 12:13.26 | Cide- | actually: http://wowscrubber.com/index.php?q=&u=Magdallene&g=&r=&f%5B%5D=wow-dungeons&t=48&b= (start from bottom) |
| 12:35.04 | Kalroth | sweet |
| 12:36.46 | s|loup | will the legendary for casters be available with 1.11? |
| 12:37.25 | Kalroth | Yes |
| 12:37.38 | zenzelezz | what's the name of the caster legendary? |
| 12:37.52 | s|loup | medivhs ... |
| 12:38.35 | s|loup | wouldnt it be a little bit inbalanced when casters get legendary while the other classes must wait? |
| 12:39.33 | Kalroth | zenzelezz: http://wowwalkthroughs.free.fr/Staff%20of%20Medivh.html |
| 12:40.32 | s|loup | this begins a quest |
| 12:40.50 | s|loup | yaeh go to the caverns of time and speak to medivh i hope ^^ |
| 12:43.31 | MoonWolf | s|loup, eeeuh, tell me the current caster legendary ..... |
| 12:43.34 | MoonWolf | not the 1.11 one |
| 12:43.42 | MoonWolf | there is two melee legendaries |
| 12:43.43 | s|loup | there is no current |
| 12:43.47 | MoonWolf | right |
| 12:43.50 | s|loup | hm |
| 12:43.56 | s|loup | right i forgot |
| 12:44.10 | s|loup | sulfuron? |
| 12:44.14 | s|loup | whats the second? |
| 12:44.33 | MoonWolf | thunderfury, blessed blade of the windseeker. |
| 12:44.35 | zenzelezz | Sulfuron isn't legendary... Sulfuras is; along with Thunderfury |
| 12:45.03 | MoonWolf | and Sulfuras, Hand of ragnaros. |
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| 13:14.22 | Kirkburn | Why can't I get bloody subcategories to work on the wiki :( |
| 13:18.22 | zenzelezz | Skill not high enough |
| 13:19.36 | Kirkburn | :/ |
| 13:20.07 | Kirkburn | I can't understand why, on the Humanoids category page, only BEs come up as a subcategory, even though I know there are several other subcats |
| 13:20.34 | Kirkburn | ooh, I've an idea |
| 13:21.23 | Kirkburn | They were there all along :/ |
| 13:38.38 | s|loup | just 2 hours and some minutes before football |
| 13:49.42 | Tem | Any WoWI moderators around? |
| 13:52.53 | Dolby-wowi | Whats up? |
| 13:53.35 | Dolby-wowi | nvm i see |
| 13:53.59 | Dolby-wowi | lol they still post even though their domain is censored |
| 13:55.47 | zenzelezz | enlighten me, I don't seem to get it |
| 13:55.53 | Kirkburn | And me |
| 13:56.04 | Kirkburn | spammers? |
| 13:57.04 | Dolby-wowi | yeah |
| 13:57.07 | Dolby-wowi | spammers |
| 13:57.23 | Dolby-wowi | but their domain was censored anyways |
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| 14:16.16 | zenzelezz | I find it sad when the people who subtitle stuff on TV manage to turn "40 kilometers per hour" (spoken) into "64 km/h" (subtitle) |
| 14:22.13 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 14:34.36 | Elkano | "mass naked child events"? ;) |
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| 15:24.43 | zenzelezz | five minutes \o/ |
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| 15:55.28 | Ratbert_CP | 0nn0r1! |
| 15:55.38 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 15:55.42 | Ratbert_CP | Hrmmm... |
| 15:56.08 | Ratbert_CP | Damned focus-stealing windows! |
| 15:56.16 | JoshBorke | lol, yea |
| 15:57.39 | Ratbert_CP | Citrix is the worst, though. It pops open about 4 or 5 ststus windows that are open for about 2-5 seconds each, and each and every one steals focus... |
| 15:57.39 | Ratbert_CP | status windows, even... |
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| 16:13.15 | zenzelezz | I hope this is an indication of what the World Cup will be like |
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| 16:17.13 | SinPi | Greetings. A peculiar question, for the tech-savvy... Can an addon possibly capture and modify the pan-around and look-around mouse actions to replace them somehow? So that left-dragging or right-dragging does NOT cause the default actions anymore? |
| 16:18.21 | zenzelezz | I'm no expert, but I don't think you can do that |
| 16:19.16 | clad|sleep | Yes you can. |
| 16:19.20 | clad|sleep | well |
| 16:19.20 | clad|sleep | no |
| 16:19.24 | clad|sleep | you can't |
| 16:19.25 | clad|sleep | or maybe you can |
| 16:19.26 | clad|sleep | hrm |
| 16:19.29 | clad|sleep | ignore me.. i'm sleeping. |
| 16:21.35 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 16:21.41 | JoshBorke | ( SinPi ): what do you mean? and why? |
| 16:21.45 | SinPi | I'm basically waging a war against my pen tablet here, see. Instead of registering "mouse moved by distance" events, which WOW uses to turn the camera, it registers "mouse moved to location" events, which causes the WOW camera to spin like crazy. |
| 16:22.03 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 16:22.14 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 16:22.37 | SinPi | So I'd be trying to capture those events and replace them with something that a tablet is capable of: note when the pen is put down, set it as "zero-degree turn", and THEN let the user spin it around. |
| 16:32.50 | JoshBorke | beats me :-( |
| 16:37.33 | zenzelezz | Helm of Wrath looks icky on a gnome |
| 16:39.23 | Wobin | Is that the collar helm? |
| 16:39.40 | zenzelezz | collar? It's the helm with the huge blade on top |
| 16:40.19 | zenzelezz | http://wow.segamer.com/dressingroom/218_trm.jpg |
| 16:41.53 | Wobin | oh the shark one =) |
| 16:42.18 | Wobin | Hehe on gnomes it looks like you can pick them up and use them as a kitchen utensil |
| 16:44.28 | Kirkburn | Isn't it the same without the helmet? :) |
| 16:46.27 | zenzelezz | true, but the helmet lets you use them for different things |
| 16:46.31 | zenzelezz | like opening tin cans |
| 16:51.56 | Kirkburn | Aaah, goddamit, the BBC won't let me watch their streaming footy |
| 16:52.10 | Kirkburn | Any way I can fake that I'm in the UK? :) |
| 16:54.38 | Kirkburn | That thread I mentioned yesterday is now up to 81 blue replies =) |
| 16:59.00 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi: Yeah, I think we dealt with that one once before and came to the same agreement, but I couldn't remember for sure, hence the note. I'm absolutely fine with that decision. |
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| 17:09.40 | Wobin | hehe |
| 17:09.45 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 17:09.50 | Wobin | Cairenn and Dolby have a long distance conversation =P |
| 17:10.30 | zenzelezz | I assume you mean in terms of time... IRC tends to be long-distance |
| 17:11.12 | ComicSansMS | http://www.bash.org/?142934 |
| 17:11.35 | End | heh, I remember that one |
| 17:12.21 | ComicSansMS | hmm... any of you ever noticed the TicTacToeFrame.xml in WoW's patch.mpq? |
| 17:12.59 | ComicSansMS | i just stumbled across it, but it doesn't seem to be reachable from inside of WoW |
| 17:13.30 | End | yeah |
| 17:14.02 | ComicSansMS | is there any official information on it? |
| 17:14.31 | End | not really |
| 17:15.28 | ComicSansMS | sounds cool, though :) |
| 17:17.07 | SinPi | Hmm, perhaps you might know: what the heck has blizz's background downloader downloaded so far over here? :> I have 100 megs of stuff downloaded but unused so far... Is it pre-fetched content for the upcoming patch, or has something gone bananas? |
| 17:17.49 | End | yeah |
| 17:17.53 | End | pre-fetched |
| 17:20.34 | Miravlix | The amount of data is just too much to deal with in a few hours, so now the spread it out with the background downloader |
| 17:21.10 | SinPi | but they smear it around with the torrent anyway, so it wouldn't be a stress really... oh well, their game, their rules *shrug* |
| 17:21.36 | Miravlix | Huh |
| 17:21.59 | Miravlix | You do realice that with the background downloader you have to download for a few seconds |
| 17:22.31 | Miravlix | on patch day, instead of waiting 30+ minutes or more depending on connection |
| 17:23.14 | wereHamster | Miravlix, you assume that those 100MB already contain 99% of the new content.. |
| 17:23.24 | SinPi | You're talking about user bandwidth, or blizz bandwidth? |
| 17:24.15 | End | I'd much prefer allowing the background downloader to run at some particular time rather than whenever I play WoW :P |
| 17:24.16 | Miravlix | wereHamster: I'm not assuming, I know that most has been handled by the background downloader, anything more is small diffs to what we have gotten |
| 17:24.41 | Miravlix | End: It doesn't impact your game. |
| 17:24.42 | SinPi | I meant that the only thing such a prefetch succeeded in is that users will "immediately" have the patch when servers get patched, instead of downloading it THEN. That's true, I hadn't taken that into account really. But the bandwidth for Blizz wouldn't really budge much :) |
| 17:25.08 | Miravlix | A propperly written bandwith handler can use quite a bit of bandwith without impacting anything you do. |
| 17:25.37 | End | heh |
| 17:26.13 | Miravlix | QoS has come a long way since it's creation as an idea. |
| 17:26.55 | Miravlix | BTW: I have 130 MB background downloaded patchets so far |
| 17:27.24 | End | it does appear to affect my game (even though it shouldn't), and I don't need it to verify everytime I restart WoW |
| 17:27.36 | Miravlix | bad topic, since US just put in force QoS laws |
| 17:28.03 | SinPi | (please, don't say the L-word...) |
| 17:28.11 | Miravlix | ISP are now allowed to limit your porn or charge you more for it |
| 17:28.29 | Miravlix | Thats a dead sentence for VoiP |
| 17:28.49 | Miravlix | Why would phone companies (thats is the ISP) let you use the bandwith needed for VoiP? |
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| 17:30.24 | SinPi | they'd get kicked in the nads for limiting a customer's right to use another company's services |
| 17:30.24 | Miravlix | No |
| 17:30.30 | Miravlix | The new Law they passed allow them to do PRECISELY this |
| 17:30.40 | Miravlix | Net Neutrality is no more |
| 17:31.02 | End | well, they'll let you use VoiP, but you'll have to get the special "VoiP-capable" connection which costs like 3 times as much :P |
| 17:31.31 | End | I suppose that's still effectively not letting you use it |
| 17:31.40 | Miravlix | So making Voip more expensive than phones... |
| 17:31.43 | End | yeah |
| 17:32.16 | SinPi | and that's where? US? |
| 17:32.40 | Miravlix | Yeah, it's the US again again again |
| 17:32.46 | Wobin | http://www.askaninja.com/news/2006/05/11/ask-a-ninja-special-delivery-4-net-neutrality-quicktime |
| 17:33.16 | SinPi | you ain't seen stupid law yet. |
| 17:33.33 | SinPi | Poland here. News today. New law to abolish the use of CD burners. |
| 17:33.47 | SinPi | No, no, not use. Possession. |
| 17:33.58 | End | that'sbad |
| 17:34.01 | SinPi | Not passed yet, but could pass, given the idiocy of our government. |
| 17:34.06 | End | s/sb/s b/ |
| 17:34.38 | Wobin | SinPi:... USBsticks4eva? |
| 17:34.42 | End | I wonder how vague that law is |
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| 17:34.58 | SinPi | USB sticks for data backups? Doubtful. |
| 17:35.13 | Wobin | I wonder what'd happen if you flew into the country with a laptop with a burner =P |
| 17:35.30 | SinPi | Illegal object - confiscated, perhaps. |
| 17:35.48 | Wobin | Wow. There goes the business sector =P |
| 17:36.12 | End | most pre-built computers come with cd burners |
| 17:36.16 | SinPi | Current proposal - 1 year of imprisonment for possession of a burner, 3 years for production. |
| 17:36.39 | SinPi | No, you don't get it. They COULD pass it. Dead law, anyone? Like 90% of Polish law? -_- |
| 17:39.18 | SinPi | "Others have it worse" is hardly good consolation, but at least I hope I have entertained you for but a while. :> |
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| 17:45.33 | SinPi | Hmmmmm. Is there an UI event firing when there is activity (or specific key presses) in the command line...? |
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| 18:00.55 | Kirkburn | Can anyone else reach wowwiki.com ? |
| 18:01.11 | Kirov | yes |
| 18:02.11 | Kirkburn | hrm |
| 18:02.23 | Kirkburn | It was okay until a minute ago for me :/ |
| 18:02.33 | Kirkburn | (oh, it's back) |
| 18:03.36 | Kirkburn | SinPi, can I just mention that that is one *incredibly* stupid law |
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| 18:04.37 | Kirkburn | "Hmm, what can we do to best cripple our IT economy?" ... "I know, ban everything useful!" ... "Hey, wait, can't you use your hands to copy stuff?" ... *chops off hands* |
| 18:11.06 | Kirkburn | Woop, that's the flamewaker article sorted (no, they are not mutated DI Dwarves!) |
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| 18:44.37 | wereHamster | let's say I want to make one of my addons an embedded library.. |
| 18:44.43 | wereHamster | but I'm using this addon in a lots of other addons.. |
| 18:45.30 | wereHamster | how should I make it so that I need to edit only one file and not all those embedded files? |
| 18:46.03 | Wobin | How are you currently referring to your libraries? |
| 18:46.17 | wereHamster | ## Dependencies |
| 18:46.23 | Wobin | MyLibrary:Frog()? |
| 18:46.34 | wereHamster | yes.. |
| 18:46.54 | Wobin | You could call the instance of your library in your addons to local MyLibrary |
| 18:47.00 | Wobin | at the top of your file |
| 18:47.15 | Wobin | Then you'd only need to edit the one line for each file that uses the library |
| 18:49.00 | wereHamster | .. let's say I put CommChannel.lua into every addon that uses CommChannel.. |
| 18:49.25 | wereHamster | and then later I find a bug.. |
| 18:49.34 | wereHamster | then I'll have to edit all those files.. |
| 18:49.47 | Wobin | ah |
| 18:50.03 | Wobin | I suggest you have a look at Iriel's emblib stub |
| 18:50.13 | Wobin | What that will do is load up a single instance of your library |
| 18:50.18 | Wobin | that all references will point at |
| 18:50.35 | Wobin | When you update it, it will replace any previous instance of the same 'majorversion' with the new one |
| 18:50.40 | JoshBorke | hello |
| 18:50.44 | Wobin | So you won't have to change anything |
| 18:50.47 | wereHamster | of course I could edit only one file because the embed.stuff handles it.. but what happens when I create the zip file? |
| 18:51.10 | wereHamster | .. of an addon that still has the old/buggy file.. |
| 18:51.22 | Wobin | The addon will reference the new one |
| 18:51.29 | Wobin | Have a look at Iriel's implementation |
| 18:51.44 | Wobin | Or of Tekkub's modification of Iriel's implementation =) |
| 18:52.01 | Wobin | lemme get you a link |
| 18:52.26 | Wobin | http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/EmbedLib/EmbedLib.lua |
| 18:52.31 | Wobin | (PS, it's not Ace =P) |
| 18:52.50 | wereHamster | let's say I have two addons.. foo and bar.. both use CommChannel.. I edit the CC file in foo.. then I decide to release bar, I make a zip of ./bar/* but that will contain the old CC file.. |
| 18:53.16 | Wobin | yes, but on load, the new library will overwrite the old |
| 18:53.24 | Wobin | (if you keep the same majorversion) |
| 18:53.33 | wereHamster | not for the user who uses only bar |
| 18:53.53 | Wobin | Then they will use the old version which works with bar |
| 18:54.32 | wereHamster | who said it works in bar? CC had a bug and I fixed it.. |
| 18:54.33 | Wobin | if you use an SVN and external keywords, you can keep the libraries up to date on all your addons |
| 18:54.33 | zenzelezz | hm... Black Diamonds cost a lot more than Pristine Black Diamonds o_O |
| 18:54.57 | Wobin | zenzelezz: yeah, that always confused me =P |
| 18:55.32 | Wobin | wereHamster: All I can suggest in that case, is that if you don't want to maintain your own filestructure, that you use an SVN to maintain it for you |
| 18:56.07 | Wobin | All my addons that use emblibs, use the external keyword on SVN to maintain links to the latest version of that library |
| 18:56.42 | JoshBorke | any recommended combat stats addons? |
| 18:56.45 | Wobin | At which point, a SVN update will pull the latest versions of the emblibs to my directory for zipping and release |
| 19:10.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm, does anyone else use the Google Browser Sync Firefox Extension? |
| 19:16.10 | grimman | Mr_Rabies2: Miravlix_ tried it out I think. |
| 19:16.16 | wereHamster | embedded libraries seem so complicated.. |
| 19:16.20 | grimman | And possibly one other person. |
| 19:16.29 | grimman | wereHamster: In theory it's all very simple. ;D |
| 19:16.33 | grimman | Also, /hi everyone. |
| 19:16.33 | Miravlix_ | wereHamster: Whats complicated about it? |
| 19:16.43 | grimman | I _always_ forget to say Hi first. |
| 19:16.47 | Miravlix_ | I can embed a library in 3 lines of code. :P |
| 19:16.57 | grimman | Miravlix_: omg, that's alot. ;) |
| 19:17.08 | grimman | Shouldn't it be more like just adding it to the toc and be done? |
| 19:17.15 | AnduinLothar | lol. it IS complicated compared to dependancies |
| 19:17.16 | grimman | For the embedding part anyway. |
| 19:17.17 | Miravlix_ | Naah |
| 19:17.27 | Miravlix_ | You have to check if a different version is loaded |
| 19:17.37 | grimman | Oh, I thought the lib did that for itself. |
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| 19:17.45 | wereHamster | grimman, I mean writing one.. not using it ;) |
| 19:17.48 | Miravlix_ | Oh, but Blizzard could build that into the toc, the version check |
| 19:17.49 | grimman | But still, it's not a great deal more. |
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| 19:18.12 | grimman | wereHamster: Pah, excuses. |
| 19:18.13 | grimman | ;D |
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| 19:18.19 | Miravlix_ | Still, it would just be me and my simplier solutions for embedding that would work there |
| 19:18.35 | Thrae | Yawn, yawn. |
| 19:19.01 | Miravlix_ | Iriels insanely complicated solution to avoid renaming stuff, couldn't be handled by Blizzard, to much work for them to bother. |
| 19:19.21 | Thrae | Miravlix_: Quick rehash? |
| 19:19.36 | Wobin | wereHamster was just asking about emblibs |
| 19:19.37 | grimman | ffs, Thrae. Simple solutions is not the way to go. |
| 19:19.40 | Miravlix_ | Rab: Whats up with Synch, besides the fact my browser contains to much data for it to work, keeps timing out synching. |
| 19:19.59 | wereHamster | so.. GetInstance() returns a new lib-object which will then be updated in case a newer version is loaded.. right? |
| 19:20.14 | Thrae | >.> I meant quick rehash in the sense I'm not sure what ya'll are talking about because I just got here. |
| 19:20.18 | Wobin | It'll be updated when a newer version is loaded, yes |
| 19:20.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine too, Miravlix_ |
| 19:20.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think it's getting hammered atm or something |
| 19:20.45 | Wobin | Pah: Google should be able to deal with that =P |
| 19:20.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | it always takes forever then stops responding |
| 19:21.03 | Miravlix_ | Rabies: Nope, it just can't handle more than 7 day history and small cookie, password, bookmark collections |
| 19:21.09 | Miravlix_ | We use the net to much |
| 19:21.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | ew |
| 19:21.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 19:21.42 | Miravlix_ | I hope 1.1 will change things, because us that NEEDS GSync can't use it |
| 19:22.30 | Thrae | 1.11 you mean? |
| 19:22.39 | Wobin | not Wow =P |
| 19:22.59 | Wobin | GoogleSynch |
| 19:23.03 | Wobin | On one side |
| 19:23.10 | Wobin | EmbLib on another =) |
| 19:23.37 | Wobin | We're a multithreaded channel |
| 19:23.43 | Miravlix_ | Freaking crap, my computer delivery got pushed back again. |
| 19:25.23 | Miravlix_ | We are going to see a heat way the next week or two, I'm not sure my current machine will survive it. It has major heat problems already. :/ |
| 19:28.03 | grimman | http://x402.putfile.com/4/11602033046.gif << /laugh |
| 19:29.18 | Wobin | poor dog! =\ |
| 19:29.25 | Wobin | Yet I cannot help but laugh =P |
| 19:32.57 | grimman | ^^ |
| 19:33.04 | grimman | I have no conscience. |
| 19:33.12 | grimman | Well, I do... but no empathy. |
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| 20:01.23 | SinPi | hmmm. Do you perhaps know of a way to send an invisible whisper, or a say, that could be picked up by an addon but would not appear onscreen? |
| 20:01.45 | SinPi | ... or perhaps I'll just look into flagRSP which may do it.... |
| 20:01.49 | Elkano | only if the other party also has the addon installed |
| 20:02.12 | Elkano | you'll then simply have to supress the chatframe from showing it |
| 20:03.31 | SinPi | That would be the "easy" way. However, people without flagRSP do not see flagRSP garbage. |
| 20:04.04 | SinPi | hmm, XML in chat messages. interesting... |
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| 20:16.41 | SinPi | ah, so it's sent on special channels. Clever, clever. |
| 20:17.45 | Abenadi | quick syntax question, i have a 'keyed' table which I instantiate with other tables as members. Can I add another member like: bigtable["table5"]={x=1,y=2} ? |
| 20:18.08 | wereHamster | yes |
| 20:18.15 | Abenadi | thank you |
| 20:20.12 | Elkano | but if you want to send eg item links you'll have t use the official channels/whispers if you want the server to validate them (so the sender will be disconected for spoofing and not the reciver) |
| 20:21.28 | SinPi | Elkano: how do "hidden flags" get sent, then? with no item links etc.? Normally, or should I expect major evil? |
| 20:21.44 | Wobin | hidden flags? |
| 20:21.58 | SinPi | flagrsp, auctioneer's priceinfo... |
| 20:22.04 | wereHamster | Is there anything obviously wrong with this very simple embedded library design: http://wow.pastebin.com/770749 ? |
| 20:22.37 | Elkano | well, they are most likely sent via a channel that is joined but not shown |
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| 20:22.49 | Mr_Rabies | Wow. |
| 20:22.52 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/modscreen-4257-8905-1.html |
| 20:23.33 | SinPi | w,t,f. |
| 20:24.55 | SinPi | too bad it won't work ingame normally :> |
| 20:25.29 | Mr_Rabies | the graphical change to the spell? no :[ |
| 20:25.52 | Mr_Rabies | you might be able to modify the texture they use for the skull to resemble a carebear, but i dunno |
| 20:27.48 | Maldivia | hmm, that's not the most friendly addon... it has an onupdate that runs constantly, that check if the first line on GameTooltip is death coil... |
| 20:28.33 | Mr_Rabies | Adapt freaking the hell out when i installed some Target's target addon |
| 20:28.37 | Cide | sounds like my first addon, pretty much |
| 20:29.12 | Mr_Rabies | the target's target model was flickering every half second |
| 20:29.16 | Mr_Rabies | it was scary |
| 20:31.07 | Mr_Rabies | Cide, just wondering, do you plan on using Blizzard's built-in functions that they got inspiration from CTRA, to reduce CTRA's memory footprint a bit? i.e. make /rs link to /rw instead of being its own script, etc? |
| 20:31.47 | Cide | not sure what the plan is about /rs -> /rw yet |
| 20:31.51 | Mr_Rabies | that was terribly worded |
| 20:32.02 | Cide | basically, we're not going to do much this patch |
| 20:32.04 | Cide | just fix a few things |
| 20:32.10 | Mr_Rabies | i couldn't figure out how to word that question at all :P |
| 20:32.18 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 20:32.31 | Cide | at the same time, we're doing some heavy changes to ctra |
| 20:32.39 | Mr_Rabies | Is there a problem with people using old versions of CTRA making people with new ones crash? |
| 20:32.41 | Cide | which should reduce the memory footprint a tad more than just that :) |
| 20:32.59 | Cide | no, there's a problem with old versions period |
| 20:33.16 | Cide | there was a bug which caused clients to spam the same message over and over through the channel when the channel was changed |
| 20:33.26 | Cide | which causes the whole raid to lag out, pretty much |
| 20:33.34 | Cide | it was fixed in 1.536 |
| 20:33.46 | Mr_Rabies | cause when i join a raid, there's always a few people taht are pretty slow to upgrade, and sometimes my framerate drops in half or less, and sometimes a disconnect |
| 20:34.02 | Cide | my guess is that that is the cause then |
| 20:34.12 | Mr_Rabies | people with old versions? |
| 20:34.40 | Cide | old versione meaning any version below 1.536 |
| 20:35.20 | JoshBorke | cide! |
| 20:35.23 | Cide | hi |
| 20:35.28 | Mr_Rabies | erm, i just installed 1.536 off the site and it had older files than the ones i had installed :x |
| 20:35.30 | Gryphen | heya |
| 20:35.32 | JoshBorke | can i ask you a question about CTRA 2? |
| 20:35.51 | Cide | JoshBorke: shoot |
| 20:35.58 | Cide | Mr_Rabies: which ones, specifically? |
| 20:36.00 | JoshBorke | how are you doing channel management? |
| 20:36.10 | Cide | define channel management |
| 20:36.40 | JoshBorke | is it going to be the same way you're doing it now? raid leader broadcasts the channel |
| 20:36.50 | Cide | that's the plan right now |
| 20:37.08 | Mr_Rabies | there's several files in the zip from 2005, lemme list a few |
| 20:37.09 | Cide | can't really think of a better way, but if you have any suggestions, I'd be glad to hear them :) |
| 20:37.20 | JoshBorke | no, not at all :-) I think it works best |
| 20:37.33 | Mr_Rabies | CT_RASlashCmds.xml, CT_RAChanges.xml |
| 20:37.44 | JoshBorke | will there be any type of standardized API for it, for people to hook into? |
| 20:37.44 | Cide | are they older than the ones you had in? |
| 20:37.50 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 20:37.51 | Cide | we haven't changed those files in forever |
| 20:38.16 | Cide | could it be that they changed on your machine? |
| 20:38.34 | Cide | JoshBorke: we're going to add some minor APIs for a few things, to make it easier to modify/add stuff |
| 20:39.04 | Cide | mainly options, communication, buffs/debuffs for now |
| 20:39.07 | Cide | and whatever else I can think of |
| 20:39.14 | Mr_Rabies | ah, i think i might have gotten it |
| 20:39.32 | Mr_Rabies | just redownloaded it and it's fixed |
| 20:39.52 | Mr_Rabies | i got Bossmods with it and everything's modify date is in 2006 now |
| 20:40.02 | Cide | ah, there you go :) |
| 20:40.10 | Mr_Rabies | i guess it's just how the zips list the modify date |
| 20:40.22 | JoshBorke | ( Cide ): ok. I was just curious because of some discussion going on in this thread: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1455.160.html |
| 20:40.23 | Mr_Rabies | when you combine multiple ones, it makes the modify date the current day |
| 20:40.36 | Mr_Rabies | or maybe not, all 5/19, whatever |
| 20:40.46 | Mr_Rabies | regardless, i'm sure it's fine now |
| 20:41.45 | Wobin | I would honestly <3 it if Ctra could take part in that library |
| 20:42.19 | Cide | what for? |
| 20:42.33 | JoshBorke | personally, I'm fine with piggy backing on CTRA |
| 20:42.55 | Cide | that CommChannel addon seems kind of heavy for what CTRA is sending |
| 20:43.10 | Wobin | Just for compatability... if all the similar mods used the one channel, or if the library was flexible enough to handle all different types |
| 20:43.33 | Cide | I want to leave the choice to the user |
| 20:43.37 | Wobin | Well, if you can throw in any input to the thread, that'd be great =) |
| 20:43.52 | Cide | (the reason I let people choose the ctra channel themselves) |
| 20:44.15 | JoshBorke | ( Cide ): i agree. i am concerned with something that forces people into a specific channel |
| 20:45.32 | Wobin | I can't really see an issue, if the manager is flexible enough |
| 20:45.51 | Wobin | Since a lot of raidmates are already complaining about not having enough channels |
| 20:46.05 | Cide | well, you can use the same channel for several addons if you want to (or, should be able to) |
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| 20:46.09 | wereHamster | My manager is very flexible .. ;) |
| 20:46.22 | Cide | serializing data, sending tables and functions seems a bit too advanced for what I'm doing |
| 20:47.13 | Miravlix_ | You can't use several communication addons at once without some bandwith throttler due to Blizzards secret disconnect code |
| 20:47.15 | Elkano | Cide: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5010 ;) |
| 20:47.38 | Cide | Miravlix_: assuming the amount of data transferred is that high |
| 20:47.49 | Miravlix_ | That high? |
| 20:48.01 | Cide | yes, that high |
| 20:48.06 | Miravlix_ | The throttler is based on how fast a fast typer can type |
| 20:48.17 | Miravlix_ | It wasn't made for addons at all |
| 20:48.23 | Cide | have you run tests to see how much data it takes to disconnec a user? |
| 20:48.26 | Cide | it's a lot |
| 20:48.43 | wereHamster | I really need svn now that I create embedded libs.. :-/ |
| 20:49.28 | JoshBorke | ( Elkano ): i don't want my commchannel to be everyone on the server |
| 20:49.28 | Miravlix_ | It's not a lot, it's not a THIS IS THE BANDWITH end of story |
| 20:49.41 | Cide | eh? it sure is a lot |
| 20:49.55 | Miravlix_ | It's a variable size limit |
| 20:50.11 | Cide | the first time I saw it happen |
| 20:50.16 | Elkano | well, JoshBorke, the problem is that we are running out of channels :( |
| 20:50.17 | Cide | was when we had a 40 person raid doing onyxia |
| 20:50.21 | Gryphen | wereHamster: https://opensvn.csie.org/ |
| 20:50.32 | Cide | and CT_RaidAssist sent *EVERY* health and mana update through the channel, with *ZERO* throttling |
| 20:50.48 | Cide | and with 3 main tanks sending *EVERY* health and mana update for onyxia |
| 20:51.05 | Cide | it went just fine, other than for one main tank |
| 20:51.17 | Cide | who disconnected from sending information for himself and onyxia |
| 20:51.23 | Cide | everyone else was fine |
| 20:51.27 | Miravlix_ | Every now and then when someone feels like it we try to mess with Sky yet again to make it's throttler perfect. |
| 20:51.58 | Miravlix_ | So far it hasn't been possible and we get mysterius disconnect issues that we can't seem to fix reliably. |
| 20:52.35 | Cide | you have to have a lot of information being sent to match those amounts |
| 20:53.22 | Miravlix_ | One of the times we have major problems with the bandwith is loging in and zoning |
| 20:53.43 | Miravlix_ | But none of our addons do much work on zoning to create this extream data spike |
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| 20:58.09 | Guillotine | happy friday! woohoo! |
| 20:58.40 | Miravlix_ | Depressing friday actually, but suit yourself. |
| 20:58.54 | Guillotine | why is it depressing? |
| 20:59.02 | JoshBorke | ok bye :-) |
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| 20:59.46 | Miravlix_ | Guillotine: If I knew that I would be making money on sick people. |
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| 22:11.12 | Abenadi | anyone know if the party_member_disable event fires for members of your raid outside your party? |
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| 22:20.17 | Abenadi | I want to monitor when a raid member goes offline - do I use party_member_disable for that? |
| 22:30.44 | wereHamster | I'd say RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 22:32.55 | Abenadi | will that fire when someone goes offline and not just when they leave the raid? |
| 22:33.22 | Kirkburn | Blizz "banned over 30,000 accounts in the month of May" |
| 22:38.00 | Cide | Abenadi: that fires for when a raid member goes offline |
| 22:38.21 | Cide | it fires pretty much every time any information on the Raid tab changes |
| 22:39.00 | Abenadi | ok |
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