| 00:00.18 | Qzot | Cairenn: Also changed. |
| 00:00.33 | Qzot | Thrae: YES, YES, YES!! |
| 00:00.46 | Qzot | Pretty please?? |
| 00:01.00 | Thrae | If I need to go through all the trouble of making a GUI for my mostly GUI-less addon just for settings, I might as well make it into a library so its useful. |
| 00:01.17 | Thrae | Considering I don't find GUI settings windows useful ;) I like slash commands! |
| 00:02.13 | Iriel | I have snippets of one around from StatRings, it didn't get finished because I was waiting on 1.10 then got busy in real life |
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| 00:03.51 | Thrae | Iriel: How far did you get? |
| 00:04.45 | Iriel | Nothing really generalizable, it was pre 1.10 so the dynamic widget suff wasn't readily available. |
| 00:04.51 | Iriel | So I have a solid conceptual model, and very little code |
| 00:05.06 | Iriel | I do have a whiteboard covered with random notes on all manner of things for when I have time to continue |
| 00:05.47 | Qzot | The other idea I've had instead of a config gui, is a pointer to a good readme file, describing how a recompilation author can create their own configure with a /script command to suit their preferences. I suspect very few people *really* need to customize. |
| 00:06.11 | Qzot | s/configure/configuration/ |
| 00:07.18 | Iriel | That's the thing really, different addons have very different requiremetns |
| 00:07.35 | Iriel | some expect active user configuration, at least to set up |
| 00:07.48 | Iriel | for others configuration is just tweaking for the power user |
| 00:09.16 | Qzot | Catch you all later. |
| 00:09.40 | Cairenn | later Qzot |
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| 00:12.45 | Qzot | Cairenn: Tweaked version updated, and uploaded. Pending approval. |
| 00:13.21 | Thrae | Yeah, it makes even more sense to use shared, embedded settings frames when you think about how easily they could be reused. |
| 00:14.01 | Iriel | my motivation was more about not having to screw around with layout all the time |
| 00:14.10 | Qzot | Keep me posted. Would love access to such a tool. Thrae. |
| 00:14.28 | Qzot | s/tool./tool,/ |
| 00:14.30 | Thrae | 150 tiny addons with GUIs Settings can be at least 150 separate frames, but who would have more then one settings frame open at once? |
| 00:14.39 | Thrae | Iriel: Well that would be the main goal, yeah. |
| 00:14.45 | Cairenn | Qzot: you need to start adding a Change Log to your updates, so folks know what has changed/why they need to update |
| 00:15.08 | Qzot | Cairenn: Yeah. You're right. |
| 00:15.23 | Cairenn | just for future reference |
| 00:15.23 | Qzot | Cairenn: But at least I'm not orphaning this one right away, no? |
| 00:15.30 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:15.47 | Cairenn | mind you, if you are running a portal, you can just put your change log there |
| 00:15.51 | Cairenn | if you prefer |
| 00:15.57 | Thrae | Iriel: When you say a common layout, are you talking about trying to make a layout that would appeal to most people, or just making a layout easier? |
| 00:16.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 00:16.12 | Thrae | s/or just making/or just making the action of making/. |
| 00:16.18 | Tem | Qzot, you still around? |
| 00:16.21 | Qzot | Cairenn: I'll try to set up a portal tonight. |
| 00:16.23 | Cairenn | but *most* authors put at least the last couple changes in their description on the download page so their users know |
| 00:16.30 | Qzot | Tem: Barely. Gtg soon. |
| 00:16.34 | Tem | What happened to the CONFIGURATOR? |
| 00:16.49 | Iriel | Thrae : I was thinking along the lines of basic layout rules with the options, but the config manager takes care of actual placement |
| 00:16.49 | Qzot | Tem: You're so mean. |
| 00:17.10 | Thrae | Tem: Eh? |
| 00:17.26 | Qzot | I was hoping to write the configurator to get out of GUI work. Having Thrae do the work seems better to me, no? |
| 00:18.07 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:18.37 | Qzot | Bye, all. |
| 00:19.35 | Thrae | Iriel: Ahhh! So you'd just call something like lib.AddSlider(min,max,getmethod,setmethod), and that would just try to throw it on the page without you needing to give it a physical X and Y value within the frame? |
| 00:19.44 | Thrae | s/page/frame/. |
| 00:20.35 | Iriel | Something like that |
| 00:21.58 | Thrae | I hope besides top-left x,y values, widgets can give you real width and height pixels, right? |
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| 00:22.16 | Thrae | IE, if a drop-down listbox changes size from a larger text value. |
| 00:22.22 | Thrae | s/larger/longer/. |
| 00:23.14 | Iriel | they can, or you can just anchor everything relative to everything else |
| 00:23.30 | Thrae | Oh yeah, duh. |
| 00:39.06 | stray | someone should write a GUI for dummies, wow version |
| 00:56.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | is there an addon that increases the chat log length? i know it's macroable, but it's a pain to hit a macro every time i login |
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| 00:57.21 | Corrodias | so just write an addon that performs that function on startup, or player entering world, or something |
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| 01:01.53 | Abenadi | I have a question about WoW UI Designer... I have a line in my xml file like: <Script file="MyMod.lua"/>. WoW UID takes this line out every time I use it to edit my frame, but if its not there I get errors when I call global functions in my lua file from my xml file. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 01:02.39 | Iriel | Put that into your .toc |
| 01:02.43 | Iriel | right before you include the .xml file |
| 01:03.23 | Abenadi | oh ok right now the line "MyMod.lua" is after the line "MyMod.xml". It needs to be before is that the problem? |
| 01:03.45 | Iriel | yes, assuming you want to call things in it from OnLoad code |
| 01:03.55 | Abenadi | ok thank you |
| 01:10.02 | Miravlix_ | But if you want to access gametooltip it needs to be the other way around. :) |
| 01:10.14 | Miravlix_ | It's really fun with recursive dependencies. |
| 01:10.57 | Miravlix_ | I'm loading XML last and using SetScript to configure the code running in the XML |
| 01:11.08 | Miravlix_ | Err first, even |
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| 01:37.45 | Thrae | Iriel: You still around? |
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| 02:15.04 | Miravlix | Hmm, any idea what format the options for: SetMoveable, SetToplevel, EnableMouseWheel is? |
| 02:15.27 | Miravlix | Is it true, "TRUE" "true"? |
| 02:15.29 | Iriel | Yes |
| 02:16.00 | Miravlix | +or |
| 02:16.07 | Miravlix | Yes, all of above? |
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| 02:17.10 | Iriel | in the XML? |
| 02:17.27 | Miravlix | No Frame:Functions |
| 02:17.35 | Iriel | 1 / nil or true / false |
| 02:18.00 | Iriel | I suspect any true value, or nil/false for false, but some of their functions take 0 as false as well, not sure on those specific ones |
| 02:21.42 | Miravlix | Interesting Frame:IsToplevel( nil ) doesn't work |
| 02:21.53 | Miravlix | err SetTopLevel( nil ) |
| 02:22.21 | Miravlix | It returns 1 / nil, but you set it with true / false *boggle* |
| 02:23.59 | Iriel | that is odd |
| 02:24.28 | Miravlix | And 1, 0 |
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| 02:39.23 | End | whoa, 40 second lag to irc o_O |
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| 02:39.28 | End | I think it lies |
| 03:02.34 | Tem_ | hmm, that's odd |
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| 03:02.54 | Tem_ | the background downloader is downloading a file the same size as the PTR patch... |
| 03:03.03 | Tem_ | and it's calling it "wow-patch" |
| 03:03.26 | gnorlish | 1.11 can't hit until i get my zg enchant |
| 03:03.32 | gnorlish | it's not allowed |
| 03:03.59 | End | yeah, it sounds like 1.11 is very very soon |
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| 03:19.18 | zespri | So what's inside this pre-patch that backgrownd downloader downloaded? |
| 03:19.22 | Miravlix | Interesting little excersize, copying FriendsFrame.xml to CreateFrame lua |
| 03:19.38 | Miravlix | zespri: Whats on test |
| 03:19.52 | Miravlix | It's the early version of the 1.11 patch |
| 03:20.13 | Miravlix | Then they are going to make some increment patches until we have live. |
| 03:21.14 | zespri | yeah, but it would be logical to think that they have stuff there that is not supposed to change - such as some graphics and stuff. I don't suppose that it has new luas because this thing is likely to change before the final patch |
| 03:21.26 | zespri | so I guess I'm asking if anyne knows for sure |
| 03:21.55 | Miravlix | It's the patch that test server has |
| 03:22.20 | Miravlix | The difference betwen current test server and 1.10 |
| 03:24.05 | Miravlix | They are just relasing what they have and to avoid early data mining, they release it when it's public on test first |
| 03:24.17 | zespri | are you sure? I would be quite surprised if it's true. I don;t really beleive that background downloader can download incremental patches before the previously downloaded patches are installed. |
| 03:24.42 | End | I don't see why it couldn't |
| 03:24.44 | Miravlix | You can download a million diffs and apply them |
| 03:25.17 | End | (personally I don't think they did, but there is nothing -really- stopping them...) |
| 03:25.23 | zespri | in theory. but is it what the backgrownd downloader does? I don't know |
| 03:25.25 | Miravlix | Our SVN server is a million diffs to revision 0 |
| 03:26.02 | Miravlix | This technoligy has existed since 1970's so I would expect Blizzard to be able to do it. |
| 03:26.49 | Miravlix | On Patch Maintenance day there will be a smaller patch to get the last fixes. |
| 03:26.52 | End | internally I think the patchers only diff against current game data anyways |
| 03:28.29 | Miravlix | US patch doesn't work for EU, even while both is English, so they put up both clients on a server and run there diff program to create the patch. |
| 03:30.12 | Miravlix | Since they have all versions they can create a million patches tos end to us. When the huge Expansion Patch for non upgraders come, it will come as multiple files over a period of time. |
| 03:31.43 | End | some of the expansion (very little) data has been appearing already, especially in the last patch or two |
| 03:32.23 | Miravlix | An Almost perfectly copied FriendFrame in lua: http://wow.pastebin.com/750522 |
| 03:33.36 | Miravlix | One issue left, for some reason I have small button textures in Lua than exist in XML |
| 03:33.57 | Miravlix | Maybe I have to CreateTexture them or something |
| 03:34.01 | zespri | well I guess it's possible to replace a torrent that contains only one file with a torrent that contains two. I jsut beleive that BD always use the same .torrent file |
| 03:34.26 | Miravlix | Huh? |
| 03:34.50 | Miravlix | Whats the downloader got to do with what the downloader copies after it downloads |
| 03:35.35 | Miravlix | If you erase your WoW and patch from release, it gets all patches. |
| 03:35.56 | Miravlix | So the torrent is multiple files already |
| 03:36.15 | zespri | when you run downloader it goes to blizz serv and look for the torrent. torrent says which files should be downloaded. downloader then checks the files curently on HD for checksums to make sure that they are complete, or download them if they are not |
| 03:37.00 | zespri | currenlt the BG downlods a single file named wow-partial-1.MPQ |
| 03:37.02 | Miravlix | Patch1.10.patch Patch1.11-part1.patch |
| 03:40.22 | Miravlix | Oh nice |
| 03:40.49 | Miravlix | Hmm, how the hell do they manage that though. |
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| 03:41.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey guys, stupid question.. |
| 03:41.33 | ScytheBlade1 | DPS = (min+max)/2/casting time |
| 03:41.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Right? |
| 03:41.51 | Miravlix | There is a id code for the full file in torrents, so how can they make partial files without having the full data |
| 03:42.58 | Miravlix | So my guess would be that partial file isn't something torrent handle making a full file, but some Bliz extension to concatenate increment patches |
| 03:42.59 | End | probably they just add moew wow-partial files...starting with wow-partial-1.mpq, then do wow-partial-2.mpq just as zespri was suggesting, then let the patcher worry about combining it all |
| 03:43.12 | Miravlix | Perhaps the make a patch against the partial file |
| 03:43.52 | Miravlix | End: yeah but if there is only one tracker |
| 03:44.03 | Miravlix | This has to use the torrent system somehow |
| 03:44.31 | End | well, the downloader will grab the newer torrent file when it becomes available |
| 03:44.33 | Miravlix | Since people of tomorrow wont get partial file, but the 1.11-#### patch |
| 03:44.46 | End | and the torrent file with know about -both- gfiles, and so forth |
| 03:44.55 | End | s/gfiles/files/ |
| 03:45.17 | Miravlix | I don't think they are modifying torrent with incompatible standards |
| 03:45.24 | Miravlix | This works in real torrent clients |
| 03:45.28 | End | not modifying |
| 03:45.38 | End | it is a new torrent file each time I think |
| 03:45.53 | End | most people will use the blizz downloader, so it will automatically get the next torrent file |
| 03:46.04 | End | (this is just my theory though) |
| 03:46.51 | Miravlix | Anyone has the current tracker? |
| 03:47.12 | Miravlix | I want to see whats downloaded in a full torrent client |
| 03:53.20 | zespri | tracker url is http://us.tracker.worldofwarcraft.com:3724/announce if that's what you mean |
| 03:53.33 | zespri | but i doubt that it'll help you much |
| 03:54.30 | Miravlix | http://freebsdgirl.com/~sektie/WoW/WoW-1.8.3.4807-to-1.8.4.4878-enUS-downloader.torrent |
| 03:54.54 | Miravlix | It's a new torrent every time, just same location it gets the torrents from |
| 03:56.57 | zespri | this is the torrent file: http://12.129.232.131/background/WoW-1.10.2.5302-x86-Win-enUS-BKGND.torrent |
| 03:58.27 | End | cool |
| 04:00.46 | End | wait, what did you do, sniff the downloader traffic? |
| 04:00.56 | End | that's the actual blizz site :O |
| 04:01.29 | End | (good idea though) |
| 04:04.13 | Miravlix | That torent, gets one 97 MB file |
| 04:04.37 | zespri | how dare you! I would never shiff the downloader traffic! I just figured up that this may be a good place to store the torrent, and when I checked indeed it was! |
| 04:04.45 | zespri | =) |
| 04:04.53 | End | lol |
| 04:05.00 | Miravlix | Not all patches since release, so they handle the torrents seperately from the download system |
| 04:07.26 | Miravlix | I would need a lot of torrent files to get everything since 1.00 |
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| 04:27.48 | Miravlix | Hmm, Blizzard menus ScrollFrame, makes room for themself |
| 04:28.47 | Miravlix | Hmm, wrong |
| 04:29.12 | Miravlix | It's actually only the Guild Frame that has inteligent scroll frames, have to figure out how it's done and make it universial. |
| 04:30.50 | Miravlix | Who and Guild has advanced scrollbar handling |
| 04:47.02 | Crispix | ^__^ |
| 04:47.03 | Crispix | http://andy.hadagoodday.com/images/desktops/WoW6106.jpg |
| 04:50.59 | Wobin | Welcome to Summer, Crispy? =P |
| 04:51.13 | Crispix | hrm? |
| 04:52.46 | Wobin | Ah, I thought you'd have had your seasonal change of desktop |
| 04:56.22 | Abenadi | so I started making an interface for my mod using WoW UI Designer, now my OnUpdate method isn't being called for some reason |
| 04:56.54 | End | is the frame being shown? |
| 04:57.18 | Abenadi | yes |
| 04:57.25 | Abenadi | it doesn't do it whether i show or hide the frame |
| 04:58.04 | Abenadi | hold on, maybe it is... |
| 04:59.33 | Abenadi | ok I guess its just that i can no longer reference CastingBarFrame.casting? |
| 05:01.07 | Abenadi | or maybe i can... sorry i'll do my OWN debugging for a min ;P |
| 05:01.34 | End | lol |
| 05:02.37 | Abenadi | ok you were right, it only works when the frame is visible |
| 05:03.32 | Wobin | That's how OnUpdate works |
| 05:05.24 | Abenadi | k i think i can fix it |
| 05:05.43 | Miravlix | If you need an OnUpdate independent of visual frame, just make an empty one |
| 05:06.03 | Abenadi | yeah that's what i did |
| 05:06.12 | Abenadi | or am doing |
| 05:07.33 | Abenadi | works great thanks for your help End/Wobin/Miravlix |
| 05:07.36 | ckknight | Abenadi, also see Metrognome, it's a handy lib for repetitive OnUpdates |
| 05:07.47 | ckknight | you register, start and stop the timer |
| 05:07.48 | ckknight | etc. |
| 05:08.24 | ckknight | embedded lib, btw |
| 05:08.48 | Abenadi | embedded meaning? included with WoW? |
| 05:08.53 | ckknight | no |
| 05:09.04 | End | no, it means each addon which requires it has its own copy |
| 05:09.04 | ckknight | you can embed embedded libs into your addon |
| 05:09.19 | Wobin | Meaning that you don't have to have it as a dependancy, only as integrated in your code |
| 05:09.20 | ckknight | yea, but it only uses the newest |
| 05:09.26 | Abenadi | ok |
| 05:09.40 | ckknight | if you have 5 of the same version of the lib |
| 05:09.47 | ckknight | it'll use the newest version |
| 05:09.48 | Wobin | Has it's own copy, perhaps, but only one is resident in memory |
| 05:09.53 | End | yeah |
| 05:09.53 | ckknight | right. |
| 05:12.55 | Miravlix | Hmm, what am I missing in copying UIPanelButton template. :/ |
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| 05:28.15 | wereHamster | ckknight, ping |
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| 05:30.28 | wereHamster | ckknight_, I've read that BabbleLib is auto-generated.. could you release the source script that you use? |
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| 05:47.23 | End | http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fullerror1yb.jpg |
| 05:47.34 | End | kinda like improved error frame |
| 05:47.59 | End | but it uses debugstack() to get a traceback |
| 05:53.50 | MentalPower_ | whats wrong with debugstack? |
| 05:54.11 | End | er..nothing |
| 05:54.56 | End | I'm..not sure what you are ...asking? |
| 05:56.11 | End | I'm the one using debugstack |
| 05:56.34 | MentalPower_ | <End>kinda like improved error frame |
| 05:56.35 | MentalPower_ | <End>but it uses debugstack() to get a traceback |
| 05:56.37 | MentalPower_ | Sounds like you don't like IEF using debugstack() |
| 05:56.46 | End | IEF does NOT use debugstack() |
| 05:56.50 | End | -I- do |
| 05:57.05 | End | let me rephrase |
| 05:57.26 | End | kinda like improved error frame, except I use debugstack() to get a traceback |
| 05:57.48 | MentalPower_ | ah, I get it now |
| 05:57.52 | MentalPower_ | nm then |
| 05:57.56 | End | hehe |
| 05:57.57 | End | :P |
| 05:58.09 | Iriel | I parsed it the way you intended it, for whatever that's worth |
| 05:59.00 | End | well, at least someone understands me ;p |
| 05:59.25 | MentalPower_ | I came in mid convo (i think) so that might be why |
| 05:59.57 | End | no, you were there for the whole thing ;p |
| 06:01.14 | End | (the thing is, I've been planning on writing that addon for a while, even before debugstack (pcall/error ftw), but I never got around to it til now) |
| 06:01.32 | End | (and I couldn't shoehorn it into IEF, IEF didn't like multiline lines) |
| 06:03.56 | End | anyways, I'm off to bed now |
| 06:04.06 | MentalPower_ | gnight |
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| 06:10.05 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:10.14 | MentalPower | hey |
| 06:11.01 | Miravlix | Aah, tons of reload with code changes still crashes wow every now and then. |
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| 06:22.00 | Esamynn | Evening all, anyone on the test server atm? |
| 06:22.08 | wereHamster | EU or US? |
| 06:22.23 | Esamynn | doesn't matter, I want to confirm a bug |
| 06:22.36 | Esamynn | night |
| 06:22.50 | Iriel | (And apologies for being less useful than usual, hopefully work will be sane in a week or two) |
| 06:23.14 | Cairenn | night all, I'm out too |
| 06:23.21 | Esamynn | sane is overrated! :) |
| 06:24.06 | Esamynn | when you try to swap a bag in your bag that has items with it, with a bag on your character that has items in it, you get a "That bag is full" error |
| 06:24.14 | Esamynn | can anyone confirm that for me? |
| 06:26.07 | wereHamster | Do you know where the portal to naxx is? I'm dead right now :) |
| 06:26.24 | Esamynn | not a clue |
| 06:27.54 | Esamynn | ok, Swiftmend is going to be very very nice! :D |
| 06:28.12 | Esamynn | the best part of the patch is still the keyring imo though :) |
| 06:30.25 | Esamynn | sigh, now that I'm on the test realm finally, I can't remember anything that I wanted to test :( |
| 06:30.37 | Esamynn | I need to make myself a list |
| 06:31.24 | wereHamster | the bag swapping :) |
| 06:32.02 | Esamynn | yes, I remembered that ;) |
| 06:32.09 | Esamynn | did you find the portal? |
| 06:33.07 | wereHamster | no.. I'm also on a normal realm.. computer tends to get very slow when running two instances of WoW.. |
| 06:34.11 | Esamynn | same |
| 06:34.36 | Esamynn | mine constanly complains about adding to the size of my swap file ;) |
| 06:35.02 | Esamynn | ok, this is wierd, if you try to swap a 16 slot bag from your bank with an 18 slot on your character, it works, but not vice versa |
| 06:35.56 | MentalPower | the Naxx portal is in the slaughterhouse of Srath |
| 06:36.32 | MentalPower | BTW, who maintaind WDN? |
| 06:36.38 | MentalPower | its kinda lagging |
| 06:36.54 | MentalPower | or should I say, its lagging behind the test server updates |
| 06:37.45 | Cairenn|sleep | WDN is Beladona's baby, but he's been absolutely swamped at work lately so hasn't had opportunity to keep it up |
| 06:38.03 | Cairenn|sleep | he'll get it caught up |
| 06:41.05 | MentalPower | ok, sounds good. just wondering what was up. |
| 06:41.17 | MentalPower | BTW, aren't you supposed to be sleeping? :) |
| 06:42.28 | Esamynn | She likes to pretend |
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| 06:49.55 | Esamynn | wereHamster: any eta on that test? |
| 06:50.08 | Miravlix | I can't duplicate FriendsFrame.xml in lua, there is issues with SetNormalTexture and friends, but with a work around I have it going |
| 06:50.47 | wereHamster | bag test? |
| 06:51.22 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/750731 |
| 06:51.39 | Miravlix | Slouken should prolly be told about the SetNormalTexture issue. |
| 06:53.21 | Esamynn | yes |
| 06:53.39 | Esamynn | Miravlix: what's wrong with it? |
| 06:55.13 | Miravlix | It doesn't set there size correctly compared to how XML works |
| 06:56.00 | Miravlix | <NormalTexture inherits="UIPanelButtonUpTexture"/> |
| 06:56.04 | Miravlix | Thats the code in XML |
| 06:56.06 | Esamynn | ok, this is weird, normally the druid only flight point in moonglade opens a flight map, on the test server, I clicked it and I immediately started flying VERY SLOWING while still on my mount |
| 06:57.23 | Miravlix | So I would think object:SetNormalTexture( UIPanelButtonUpTexture ) should give the same result |
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| 06:57.50 | Miravlix | But I've instead had to create a temp frame with texture objects with special positions and size parameters |
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| 06:58.41 | Miravlix | SetText is on the same button and has no problems |
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| 07:00.05 | Esamynn | object:SetNormalTexture wasn't designed to take a virtual template, it takes an actual texture object |
| 07:00.37 | Miravlix | Work with objects or textures |
| 07:02.15 | Miravlix | It works fine for SetNormalText stuff, I can referance virtual xml stuff from onload code. |
| 07:02.55 | Miravlix | But I use the actual texture in the posted version. |
| 07:04.04 | Esamynn | you create an actual texture from the template that you then try to assign using :SetNormalTexture in the real code? |
| 07:04.29 | Miravlix | Read the code? |
| 07:05.13 | Esamynn | oh didn't see the link |
| 07:05.48 | Miravlix | It's 400 lines of Lua code due to the bugfix textures vs 3000 lines of XML |
| 07:06.53 | Miravlix | And when you get all the confusing details of it all put into a library, this is going to be way easier than XML for many people. |
| 07:07.18 | Miravlix | You can even write an addon to design a frame |
| 07:07.50 | Miravlix | Moveable, dragable, super size me and you has an amazing tool |
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| 07:10.54 | Esamynn | on a completely different topic, DAMN IT, WHY DID THEY GO AND CHANGE HOW THE DRUID ONLY FLIGHTPOINT IN MOONGLADE WORKS!!!! :( |
| 07:13.42 | krka|work | what do you mean? |
| 07:14.59 | Esamynn | it's no longer linked to the rest of the flight system, instead of bringing up a flight map with you click the gossip option on the npc you start flying immediately |
| 07:15.11 | Esamynn | and if you click it while mounted, you start flyign on your mount!!! |
| 07:15.33 | Esamynn | and you can't use the chained flight system to fly from that point to somewhere else on the contienent :( |
| 07:15.49 | MentalPower | methinks thats a bug |
| 07:15.53 | MentalPower | better go report it |
| 07:16.06 | Esamynn | i'm going to, just taking screenshots now |
| 07:16.14 | Esamynn | but I have no idea where I'll upload them to |
| 07:16.26 | MentalPower | imageshack is usually a good place |
| 07:17.46 | Esamynn | I don't know why the heck they would have changed it :( |
| 07:18.14 | MentalPower | prolly a sice-effect of some other change |
| 07:21.23 | Esamynn | hopefully, it was nice being able to get to AQ by teleporting to moonglade and then just doing something else for 20 minutes |
| 07:23.48 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 07:30.14 | Esamynn | for those who are curious: on the live servers it looks like thiat: http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/883/1937933599262369144_rs.jpg leads to http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/883/1730193891850949750_rs.jpg |
| 07:30.27 | Esamynn | on test, http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/1220/1337010625123213047_rs.jpg leads to http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/485/1592269544549056423_rs.jpg |
| 07:31.37 | krka|work | where does horde druids fly? |
| 07:31.54 | Esamynn | Thunderbluff |
| 07:32.18 | krka|work | seems much longer |
| 07:32.37 | Esamynn | heh, the "ride" on my tiger is VERY VERY slow |
| 07:32.53 | Esamynn | not normal flightpath speed at all |
| 07:33.06 | Esamynn | damnit, forums are down :( |
| 07:35.28 | Esamynn | oh well, i'll post tomorrow |
| 07:35.39 | Esamynn | wereHamster: did you ever do that bag test? |
| 07:36.44 | wereHamster | Esamynn, what exactly do I have to do? |
| 07:41.56 | Esamynn | do you have bags in your bank? |
| 07:42.29 | wereHamster | I'm not at a bank now.. I'm in EPL. |
| 07:43.11 | Esamynn | k, the bug is when you try to swap a bag in your bank that has items in it, with a bag on your character that also has items in it |
| 07:43.25 | Esamynn | on live it lets you do it, on test you get a "that bag is full" error |
| 07:44.02 | Esamynn | I just wanted someone else to confirm it before I posted |
| 07:58.46 | Esamynn | night all |
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| 08:13.17 | wereHamster | Did anyone else notice that Tooltiop:Set??() also :Show()'s the tooltip? |
| 08:14.09 | grimman | On the PTRs? |
| 08:14.14 | wereHamster | I had to add :Hide() to the SuperInspect tooltip.. otherwise it shows up in the top right corner of the screen.. |
| 08:14.16 | wereHamster | yep.. PTR |
| 08:14.30 | grimman | Ugh... annoying. |
| 08:14.46 | grimman | Doesn't it blink when you do that though? |
| 08:15.01 | wereHamster | no.. just stays there.. |
| 08:15.15 | wereHamster | I mean.. no .. it doesn' |
| 08:15.19 | wereHamster | t blink. |
| 08:15.23 | grimman | I mean if you :Set() -> :Hide(). |
| 08:15.47 | wereHamster | :Set??(); :Hide() happens before the UI engine draws the frames |
| 08:17.17 | grimman | Mkay. |
| 08:17.26 | grimman | I still don't like it though. |
| 08:17.47 | grimman | Wouldn't it be easier to anchor the tooltip off the UIParent somewhere? |
| 08:17.48 | krka_ | [enter new frame] -> [ui code] -> [render frame] -> [enter new frame] ... |
| 08:19.07 | krka_ | it will go faster if it's hidden |
| 08:19.12 | krka_ | i think |
| 08:20.35 | wereHamster | the [render frame] happens after [ui code] has been executed for all frames.. |
| 08:21.34 | wereHamster | for_all_frames(OnEvent); for_all_frames(OnUpdate); for_all_visible_frames(Render); |
| 08:22.10 | wereHamster | .. for_all_visible_frames(OnUpdate) -.- |
| 08:25.06 | grimman | If you remove the toggling alltogether you have one less thing to perform... it seems reasonable to assume this is faster. |
| 08:25.34 | grimman | Also; crap... got a information meeting in <3 hours. |
| 08:25.44 | grimman | an* |
| 08:29.01 | wereHamster | I think :Show() doesn't du more than just flag the frame as visible.. |
| 08:29.20 | grimman | Some support job if you're wondering... anyway, I need a personal letter(?) and a resume. What stuff would be important to include? |
| 08:29.34 | grimman | There's also gonna be a test which I'm planning on acing. ^^ |
| 08:29.45 | krka_ | rofl: http://bash.org/?647060 |
| 08:30.26 | grimman | hehe |
| 08:42.09 | ckknight | ~emulate swedish chef |
| 08:42.16 | purl | Yorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue, Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn bork! bork! bork! |
| 08:44.11 | wereHamster | ckknight, morning |
| 08:44.19 | ckknight | hey there |
| 08:44.27 | wereHamster | BabbleLib is auto-generated, right? |
| 08:44.27 | ckknight | someone was talking in #curse-wow in Swedish |
| 08:44.30 | ckknight | so I had to |
| 08:44.37 | ckknight | wereHamster, just the spells part |
| 08:45.04 | wereHamster | could you publish the source script? |
| 08:46.58 | ckknight | sorry, no |
| 08:47.01 | ckknight | it's on my server |
| 08:47.04 | ckknight | which is on its side |
| 08:47.05 | ckknight | which is dead |
| 08:47.13 | ckknight | may it rest in piece |
| 08:47.21 | ckknight | granted, I could recreate it in half an hour |
| 08:47.28 | ckknight | python spider that crawled wowguru |
| 08:47.47 | wereHamster | hehe.. I crawled thottbot ;) |
| 08:48.02 | wereHamster | using wget and grep .. |
| 08:59.55 | grimman | Hm. |
| 09:00.00 | grimman | Olive shampoo smells like dentist. |
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| 09:27.47 | grimman | And for the record, I <3 In Flames. |
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| 09:56.58 | krka_ | anyone know of an alternative to jsp that isn't so slow? |
| 09:57.58 | ckknight | Django's pretty shiny |
| 09:58.07 | krka_ | not leaving java entirely |
| 09:58.29 | ckknight | okay then |
| 09:58.34 | ckknight | nevermind |
| 09:59.17 | krka_ | thanks anyway : |
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| 10:43.15 | Kirkburn | Bloody MPAA ... http://www.mpaa.org/press_releases/2006_05_31.pdf |
| 10:54.09 | ckknight | yep |
| 10:54.10 | ckknight | read that |
| 10:54.17 | ckknight | makes it seem like they were totally behind it |
| 10:54.50 | ckknight | pictures of the farm after the police raid: http://82.99.25.142/prq/ |
| 10:56.05 | Kirkburn | I notice they say they're gonna be back up again very soon |
| 10:56.48 | ckknight | yea |
| 10:56.52 | ckknight | on the 1st or 2nd |
| 10:56.59 | ckknight | cause they found no copyright files |
| 10:58.38 | ckknight | just metadata |
| 10:58.43 | ckknight | in the form of .torrent files |
| 10:58.51 | ckknight | which is legal by Swedish law |
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| 10:59.34 | ckknight | hey chuckg |
| 10:59.39 | chuckg | Hello there. |
| 11:00.02 | chuckg | I have an itch I need to scratch, I hope it's not too late. |
| 11:01.20 | chuckg | Hah! I have a sinking feeling it's not possible but ... a guild member of mine had the bright idea of perhaps "overlaying" the dots on the minimap with either a) the appopriate name (truncated) or b) the # they are in the party. |
| 11:01.47 | ckknight | nope |
| 11:01.49 | chuckg | I'm thinking this type of thing is no accessible unless the mouse pops over the minimap, or not at all since it's a part of the engine. |
| 11:01.56 | Kirkburn | zomg, I have an american housemate |
| 11:02.02 | ckknight | zomg! |
| 11:02.04 | ckknight | is that bad? |
| 11:02.16 | Kirkburn | No, it's very good :) Even less reason to speak italian |
| 11:02.29 | chuckg | The language of love, or is that french? |
| 11:02.38 | ckknight | French is supposed to be |
| 11:02.48 | chuckg | ckknight, nope meaning "nope not possible" or "nope' meaning "nope you're doomed anyway goodluck have fun". |
| 11:02.50 | Kirkburn | hah! |
| 11:03.13 | Kirkburn | It's the language of surrender monkeys, that's what |
| 11:03.24 | ckknight | chuckg, well, you could try to solve it in one hand and shit in the other |
| 11:03.33 | ckknight | see which one fills up first |
| 11:03.46 | chuckg | You had me at "shit in the other". |
| 11:04.33 | chuckg | Guess it's back to my piss poor excuse of a raid status for the delight that is FuBar. |
| 11:04.43 | chuckg | I mean that in a good way. |
| 11:05.01 | ckknight | it's impossible, by the way |
| 11:05.18 | chuckg | Well, I just wonder how Gatherer gets away with redrawing icons on the map. |
| 11:05.29 | Kirkburn | In my time here I have lived with an indian, german, frenchman, Montenegrino, american, japanese guy.... |
| 11:05.32 | ckknight | haven't looked at the code |
| 11:05.51 | ckknight | Kirkburn, live with a gay guy - see how that turns out |
| 11:06.01 | ckknight | they're a lively bunch |
| 11:06.10 | Kirkburn | :/ |
| 11:06.24 | chuckg | The other problem is there is no "location" when you're in an instance, so .... yea. |
| 11:07.00 | Elkano | wrt multicultural: just ordered a shirt with text saying sth like "it's wrong to be French" ;) |
| 11:07.10 | ckknight | great |
| 11:07.33 | ckknight | I figure the best way to take a political seat is to make fun of the French |
| 11:08.09 | chuckg | Or proclaim you're going to end terrorism, one Islamic nation at a time. |
| 11:08.16 | chuckg | That seems to be a real hit, lately. |
| 11:08.26 | ckknight | no |
| 11:08.34 | ckknight | because people take that stuff seriously |
| 11:08.43 | ckknight | and the Islamists would fight back |
| 11:08.51 | chuckg | Oh that's right, who needs serious politicians. |
| 11:08.52 | ckknight | you make fun of the French, they won't do anything |
| 11:08.54 | chuckg | =D |
| 11:09.06 | chuckg | They'll give cigarettes to babies. |
| 11:09.06 | ckknight | and everyone likes to make fun of them |
| 11:09.15 | chuckg | That'll teach us. |
| 11:14.20 | Kirkburn | Oooh, HL2 Ep1 is released in 5 hours 45mins, 30 seconds |
| 11:17.13 | Kirkburn | Cool, and it's already getting great reviews :D |
| 11:19.38 | Kirkburn | Btw, if anyone didn't know already, the background downloader has started downloading 1.11 |
| 11:25.21 | Kirkburn | Woohaa! It's a national holiday 2moro :D |
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| 11:28.02 | Maldivia | hmm, ZHC was changed... again |
| 11:28.53 | Kaso | what now? |
| 11:29.30 | Kaso | (more politely : what have they done to it now?) |
| 11:30.27 | Kirkburn | Changed how? |
| 11:31.06 | Maldivia | 1.10: 8 charges of 35, 1.11v1: 8 charges of 25, 1.11v2: 12 charges of 17 |
| 11:32.12 | Maldivia | although, the item tooltip wasn't updated, but the buff you get drops by 17 each time, and you start with 12 charges |
| 11:33.01 | Kaso | thats a buff isnt it? |
| 11:35.05 | Maldivia | from v1, yes |
| 11:36.19 | Maldivia | a small nerf from 1.10 |
| 11:37.16 | Maldivia | well, huge nerf in burst damage, but small in dps over the 20 secs |
| 11:38.13 | zenzio | did they fix Deep Wounds yet? |
| 11:38.17 | Maldivia | no idea |
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| 11:40.42 | Kaso | Why does ZHC even have diminishing power its stupid, it's meant to be a PVE item not a PVP item |
| 11:41.33 | Kirkburn | Why do you say that? |
| 11:41.50 | Kaso | the its stupid bit or the pve not pvp bit? |
| 11:42.49 | Maldivia | lol... you can sell craftman's writs on the AH :) |
| 11:45.18 | Kaso | Kirkburn: firstly it shouldnt have diminishing power for pve, when you're fighting bosses high damage on the first hit is worse than constant damage over a serise of shots,and as for the pve, pvp thing, how is it fair that certain classes get gear to help they're pvp abilities in pve instances, where as others (healers) dont |
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| 11:45.33 | wereHamster | ckknight, how did you auto-generate the spells from wowguru? The spell IDs don't match for german and english spells.. |
| 11:46.12 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 11:46.14 | Kirkburn | Kaso, you're starting to sounds like a whiner ... does everything have to be perfect in this game? |
| 11:46.14 | ckknight | magic |
| 11:46.17 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 11:46.20 | ckknight | and/or translations at the bottom of the page |
| 11:46.43 | Kaso | it is whining, doesnt make it any fairer. |
| 11:46.46 | Kirkburn | If all PvP equip was found only by doing PvP, and vice versa, it'd be pretty boring |
| 11:47.21 | Kaso | i agree, but when *the* best caster pvp item is from a pve it seems wrong to me |
| 11:48.29 | Kirkburn | I can't see that it really hurts anyone |
| 11:48.43 | Kaso | hurts me! :> |
| 11:48.49 | Kirkburn | You don't raid?? |
| 11:49.12 | Kaso | Nope, i lag to much to do anything other than solo atm |
| 11:50.44 | Kaso | but, yeh as you say, it is me whining, but it makes me feel better |
| 11:51.27 | Maldivia | wereHamster: the spell IDs are the same across localization |
| 12:00.03 | Kirkburn | Woop, last lecture until monday |
| 12:00.59 | Kirkburn | Time to listen to "I've gotta a lo-ve-ly bunch of coconuts" before I leave |
| 12:04.08 | Kirkburn | Roight then ... taraa |
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| 13:06.05 | Abenadi | i've tried onvaluechanged and onhorizontal scroll for a slider to call a function, is it something else? |
| 13:08.49 | s|loup | <OnValueChanged> should be correct |
| 13:09.35 | Abenadi | hmm |
| 13:09.51 | Abenadi | i'm using WoW UID that doesn't seem to trigger it for me |
| 13:10.50 | s|loup | i havent any experience with it i just test it directly in wow |
| 13:11.03 | Abenadi | k |
| 13:13.20 | Abenadi | and is it slider:GetValue() to get the value of the slider? |
| 13:13.54 | s|loup | yes |
| 13:13.58 | Abenadi | because that is what it seems its supposed to be but I'm getting a nil value method error |
| 13:14.16 | s|loup | hm have you set a value for the slider? |
| 13:15.02 | s|loup | can you post your code here http://wow.pastebin.com/ ? |
| 13:15.21 | Abenadi | i haven't set a value |
| 13:15.27 | Abenadi | does it not have a default value? |
| 13:16.29 | s|loup | mostly 1.0 is default as i know |
| 13:17.49 | Abenadi | http://wow.pastebin.com/751222 |
| 13:18.33 | s|loup | the xml code as well pls ;) |
| 13:20.07 | Abenadi | sec |
| 13:21.12 | Abenadi | ok now that i went digging in there I found it |
| 13:21.21 | Abenadi | it just needs to be pcFrameComponent12Slider |
| 13:21.34 | Abenadi | thanks |
| 13:21.41 | s|loup | kk |
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| 14:12.48 | Miravlix | Hmm, whats the easiest way to make an old computer withoout cd-rom and disk drive, but with network and Win98 switch to Linux? |
| 14:13.39 | krka_ | boot from usb drive |
| 14:13.39 | End | if you are lucky, the nic might support pxe |
| 14:13.41 | Maldivia | throw the installer on a USB thumb drive, and boot from that |
| 14:14.12 | krka_ | or put the installer on a harddrive and boot from that :) |
| 14:14.20 | End | back when win98 was around, my computer didn't have a usb port :P |
| 14:14.24 | JoshBorke | take the hard-drive out and put it in another computer to install it |
| 14:14.48 | Maldivia | End: I had USB in the computer I had Win95 on! |
| 14:15.06 | End | well, my computer was a little older >_< |
| 14:16.18 | Miravlix | Going out and spinding $ on a USB drive is not easy |
| 14:17.01 | Miravlix | IBM ThinkPad 768D haven't used it in 5+ years, so not sure what it has anymore |
| 14:17.11 | Maldivia | dont you have a USB thumb or something ? |
| 14:18.36 | Miravlix | naah |
| 14:18.45 | krka_ | not even a mp3-player with usb? |
| 14:18.50 | End | usb thumb drives are cheap |
| 14:18.52 | krka_ | or a camera with usb connection? |
| 14:19.42 | Miravlix | I'm not going to buy some crap equipment, it has Win98 and a network connnection that gotta be enough |
| 14:19.52 | krka_ | if you say so |
| 14:20.05 | Wobin | I hate installing stuff over Win98 network =) |
| 14:20.16 | Wobin | It == the pain |
| 14:20.47 | Miravlix | Whats wrong with the internet? |
| 14:20.53 | krka_ | it's full of stupid people :( |
| 14:21.07 | Miravlix | I just need a dist with install over Windows capabilities |
| 14:21.22 | End | it's full of smart people too, but they tend to make themselves harder to find ;p |
| 14:22.05 | Miravlix | Then after I get it running I can switch to Dabber Drake |
| 14:24.19 | Miravlix | There, it's up and running with a spare monitor and keyboard, hmm, or not, no monitor activity. |
| 14:25.18 | Miravlix | Uhh, memory is an evil thing, think I had to switch to use a real monitor |
| 14:27.32 | Miravlix | Any bets on how long it takes before it's virus infected? |
| 14:27.52 | Miravlix | I think it's usually 15 minutes, but sometimes it's faster |
| 15:25.26 | wereHamster | what is your opinion about Timex? is it well written or should I avoid it? |
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| 15:26.40 | Miravlix | Seek and you shall find |
| 15:27.00 | Miravlix | I found some Instlux project that makes Windows installers for SUSE and Ubuntu |
| 15:27.37 | Miravlix | Windows is hard to use without a working mouse. |
| 15:28.45 | MoonWolf | i can do a whole damn lot without a mouse |
| 15:28.52 | MoonWolf | it takes more time though |
| 15:29.09 | Miravlix | Yeah except it takes 100 times longer to tab through a modern day web page |
| 15:29.56 | Miravlix | Tried to walk though a sourceforge web site? |
| 15:30.03 | MoonWolf | i think there is a mouse cursor program thingy in windows that responds to the arrow key's |
| 15:30.07 | MoonWolf | or the num keys |
| 15:30.08 | Miravlix | It's atleast 20-30 click to get to the file |
| 15:31.38 | krka_ | wereHamster, personally i'd avoid it and just use OnUpdate |
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| 15:39.30 | krka_ | from http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ it's 3 clicks |
| 15:39.39 | krka_ | not too bad, imo |
| 15:41.26 | Kirkburn | What's that? |
| 15:41.38 | krka_ | a website |
| 15:41.43 | Kirkburn | I use azureus, so I'm intrigued :P |
| 15:42.02 | Maldivia | MoonWolf: yes, standard part of Windows |
| 15:42.09 | krka_ | what did you ask exactly? |
| 15:42.22 | krka_ | you use azureus but dont know what it is? |
| 15:42.42 | Maldivia | MoonWolf: Control Panel -> Accescibility Options, and then MouseKeys |
| 15:42.48 | Kirkburn | No :P I just arrived and saw you write "from http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ it's 3 clicks", so I'm intrigued :) |
| 15:43.03 | krka_ | ah sorry |
| 15:43.15 | krka_ | <Miravlix> Tried to walk though a sourceforge web site? <Miravlix> It's atleast 20-30 click to get to the file |
| 15:43.18 | krka_ | it was a response to that |
| 15:43.33 | Kirkburn | Ah, it's true for unmodified ones it seems |
| 15:44.10 | Kirkburn | They don't exactly make SF 'friendly' by default, it's left up to the devs :/ |
| 15:45.35 | Miravlix | I don't see how you can 4 click |
| 15:45.51 | Miravlix | There is 8 tabs just to get past there header |
| 15:46.09 | Miravlix | OSTG ThinKGeek SlashDot ITMJ is a tab each to get past thek |
| 15:46.19 | krka_ | oh, without a mouse? |
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| 15:50.20 | Miravlix | [17:29] <Miravlix> Yeah except it takes 100 times longer to tab through a modern day web page |
| 15:52.08 | Maldivia | that why you use firefox, and it's search utility :) |
| 15:53.17 | krka_ | or even links/lynx |
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| 15:58.47 | Kirkburn | Yay for sueing people for extortionate amounts of money! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5036052.stm |
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| 16:13.34 | Qzot | Guten Morgen. |
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| 16:16.22 | End | haha |
| 16:17.00 | End | in the little web clip links thingy gmail has above the mail message list, if you are in the spam folder, it gives you links to wacky spam recipes |
| 16:17.09 | End | like spam quinche |
| 16:17.31 | End | and spam fajitas |
| 16:17.35 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 16:17.56 | End | and it says Spam Recipe off to the side |
| 16:18.05 | End | so I think it is intentional on the gmail's part |
| 16:18.26 | Kirkburn | Surely not! |
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| 16:36.57 | _B | NO WAI JOKES ON INTERNET?! |
| 16:38.29 | Elkano | O RLY? |
| 16:40.56 | Qzot | _B: Do you know of any anti-Feign mods out there? |
| 16:41.22 | Wobin | Anti feign? |
| 16:41.49 | Wobin | "Say No to DramaHunters" |
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| 16:45.54 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | rawr... |
| 16:51.36 | Elkano | what ammunition do Xbows use? |
| 16:55.02 | Cide | bolts |
| 16:55.10 | Miravlix | Arrows in WoW |
| 16:55.14 | Cide | maybe arrows too? |
| 16:55.16 | Kirkburn | Don't they use CDs? |
| 16:55.24 | Cide | haha, maybe they removed bolts |
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| 16:55.44 | Cide | or maybe I'm thinking of diablo 2... don't ask me, I'm tired |
| 16:55.45 | Kirkburn | Oh no, that's Xboxes |
| 16:55.50 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 16:55.52 | Kirkburn | (hohoho) |
| 16:55.55 | Elkano | ok, so I should wait untill I can built that ammunition you can trade in for arrows :/ |
| 16:55.57 | Kirkburn | Hey Iriel |
| 16:57.49 | Iriel | Mornin' |
| 16:58.33 | wereHamster | morning |
| 16:59.48 | Kirkburn | 'noon |
| 17:00.37 | Kirkburn | heehee, Cairenn can't spell *dances* |
| 17:01.08 | Kirkburn | Ow! :_( |
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| 17:02.35 | Cairenn|afk | wuss |
| 17:02.43 | Cairenn|afk | I poked, not punched, sheesh |
| 17:03.08 | Kirkburn | Roight inna kidneys! |
| 17:04.01 | Kirkburn | (yes, that is how english people speak) |
| 17:15.26 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 17:15.30 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Kirkburn Green Wing is amusing, but not that hilarious |
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| 17:15.49 | Kirkburn | Then you've been watching something else :) |
| 17:15.55 | Kirkburn | baa! |
| 17:16.29 | Kirkburn | One of the above comments was aimed at AnduinLothar ... but which one? :P |
| 17:16.46 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | It's english humour... I;m French :D |
| 17:16.59 | Kirkburn | Aye, true |
| 17:17.05 | Kirkburn | And it's such a pity |
| 17:17.35 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 17:19.00 | Kirkburn | =) |
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| 17:22.39 | Miravlix | Ubuntu Dapper didn't like booting on my machine. :/ |
| 17:23.10 | Miravlix | It is 7 years old, but still. |
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| 17:39.57 | Cairenn | Qzot: you actually there? |
| 17:40.32 | Qzot | No. |
| 17:40.37 | Qzot | Not here at all. |
| 17:40.40 | Cairenn | okay, good |
| 17:40.44 | Qzot | This is a Turing testbot. |
| 17:40.56 | Iriel | I think it just failed by revealing its identity |
| 17:41.16 | Qzot | Tell me more about your identity. |
| 17:41.51 | Cairenn | well, when you are here: mousing over an arrow pointing to a city or what have you pops up a message "unknown entity" in the middle of your screen |
| 17:42.19 | Qzot | Does the unknown scare you? |
| 17:42.20 | Cairenn | also happens when I mouse over certain addon minimap buttons |
| 17:42.48 | Qzot | Hmm. |
| 17:43.04 | Qzot | Pops up a dialog with "okay"? Or just a transient warning. |
| 17:43.16 | Qzot | ? |
| 17:43.18 | Cairenn | transient warning |
| 17:43.39 | Qzot | Also, ManHunt ended up in the quest mods. I thought I had put it in map mods. |
| 17:43.40 | Cairenn | looks like a combat damage message |
| 17:44.09 | Qzot | I might have no way to work around that. But could probably make it happen less often. |
| 17:44.20 | Cairenn | moved it |
| 17:44.32 | Qzot | From and to? |
| 17:45.01 | Cairenn | well what do you think? :p |
| 17:45.16 | Qzot | As in, "moved at my recent request?" (wow, that was fast!), or "moved it from map mods to questing" (why in blazes did you do that?). |
| 17:45.33 | Cairenn | the first |
| 17:45.38 | Qzot | TY. |
| 17:45.45 | Qzot | Wow, that was fast! |
| 17:46.12 | Cairenn | no big deal |
| 17:47.23 | Qzot | Iriel: No any way I can hook error grumping as a direct result of my calling TargetByName?? |
| 17:47.34 | Qzot | s/No/Know/ |
| 17:48.15 | Iriel | Hm, it would depend on what kind of error it is |
| 17:48.24 | Qzot | "Unknown Entity" |
| 17:48.53 | Qzot | For example. *cough* |
| 17:49.07 | Iriel | Where though? |
| 17:49.10 | Qzot | Think an xpcall or a pcall would do it? |
| 17:49.21 | Iriel | it would depend how the error is being propagated |
| 17:49.53 | Qzot | My code calls TargetByName, and Cairenn is seeing Unknown Entity error, even tho I restore the original target. |
| 17:49.56 | Iriel | if TargetByName is throwing an error, then pcall/xpcall will work fine. |
| 17:50.12 | Kirov | Anyone want to get 3200 mpg in their car? http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C8115/ |
| 17:50.17 | Iriel | If it's something that's acting on a PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED event and producing the error, then you're screwed |
| 17:51.08 | Qzot | I could also catch that event, because I would know if there's good reason to suspect a bogus target within the last n ticks. |
| 17:51.24 | Qzot | Oh, nm. Brain fart. |
| 17:51.53 | Qzot | I would have to hook the specific event handler that's posting that error to the user. |
| 17:52.32 | Miravlix | Or hook chat to capture the error. |
| 17:52.50 | Cairenn | and just to make you really scratch your head ... it pops the message when I hover over some minimap icons, but not all of them |
| 17:52.59 | Qzot | Cairenn: You're seeing the error message via SCT, or something similar? |
| 17:53.21 | Cairenn | it looks like SCT, or the default dmg messages, but no, I don't have anything like that installed |
| 17:53.43 | Qzot | Prolly the default dmg messages, then. Bleah. |
| 17:53.46 | Cairenn | it pops up as red text in the middle of the screen, not as an "error box" |
| 17:53.47 | Miravlix | Oh wait |
| 17:53.57 | Miravlix | It's Blizzard that pops unknown entity |
| 17:54.02 | Miravlix | it's a system UI Error |
| 17:54.05 | Qzot | Exactly. |
| 17:54.57 | Miravlix | Done because some addon is trying to do a /target when mousing over stuff |
| 17:55.11 | Cairenn | but something in your mod is triggering it, since it has only started after installing your mod |
| 17:55.12 | Qzot | Yes. My addon. |
| 17:55.17 | Miravlix | Without checking if it is a target? |
| 17:55.24 | Qzot | Oh. Yes, fully understood, Cairenn. |
| 17:55.45 | Qzot | I'm doing temporary retargeting to get potential info about a possible target. |
| 17:55.48 | Cairenn | I just found it odd that it does it over some but not all |
| 17:56.12 | Miravlix | Qzot: If UnitClass("mouseovertarget") then |
| 17:56.26 | Cairenn | it isn't consistent |
| 17:56.27 | Qzot | Not mousing over targets in the 3d world. |
| 17:56.34 | Miravlix | Just check for whatever it's a legal mouseover |
| 17:56.40 | Qzot | Mousing over dots in the minimap. ManHunt on wowi. |
| 17:57.13 | Miravlix | Hmm, might have to create a table with ignored tooltips then |
| 17:57.23 | Miravlix | No |
| 17:57.25 | Cairenn | it consistently does it over a town arrow, and over one minimap icon, but it consistently doesn't do it over others |
| 17:58.02 | Qzot | Cairenn: Probably depends on whether the associated text "looks enough" like a mob or player name. |
| 17:59.43 | Qzot | I can either build a table of things to ignore, or also dynamically build that list based on attempts to target which fail. |
| 18:00.13 | Iriel | Can't you check to see if the item under the cursor is theminnimap? |
| 18:00.17 | Iriel | GetCursorFocus or whatever it is |
| 18:00.26 | Qzot | Yes. I do that already. |
| 18:00.29 | Miravlix | GetMouseFocus:GetName() |
| 18:00.37 | Iriel | That's the one. |
| 18:00.56 | Miravlix | I think thats your best bet and weed out the wrong frame types |
| 18:02.34 | Qzot | Actually, I'm using if (MouseIsOver(MinimapCluster) and GameTooltip:IsVisible() and GameTooltip:NumLines()==1) then |
| 18:02.58 | Miravlix | Do you check what tracking is active and disable yourself when it isn't anything that shows things usefull for you? |
| 18:03.43 | Qzot | Well, quest NPCs are always active. |
| 18:03.51 | Miravlix | GetMouseFocus:GetName() would return dot or arrow |
| 18:03.57 | Qzot | Party members are always active. |
| 18:04.09 | Miravlix | You know party members names |
| 18:04.17 | Qzot | True enough. |
| 18:04.20 | Miravlix | So verifying those with the party is a snap |
| 18:06.45 | End | unless they name themselves something strange :P |
| 18:06.57 | Miravlix | No problem |
| 18:07.13 | Miravlix | It would still target the player and get the info even on a false positive |
| 18:07.27 | End | I think the best was when I would mouseover someone named mooncloth, and auctioneer would give me auction prices and whatnot :P |
| 18:07.32 | End | that's true, here it is a non-issue |
| 18:08.24 | End | fortunately, most quest npcs have mutlipart names |
| 18:08.26 | Qzot | Lol. I always name my hunter pets with my character's name, just to generate this kind of confusion for addons which use TargetByName. :P |
| 18:08.30 | Miravlix | But analying GetMouseFocus:GetName() could prolly remove false positives |
| 18:08.31 | End | unfortunately, so do non-quest npcs |
| 18:08.33 | End | wait |
| 18:08.38 | End | you'd want to target all those, wouldn't you |
| 18:09.24 | End | (I'm not sure I understand the issue enough, reading scrollback) |
| 18:09.42 | Qzot | Non-quest NPCs can only be targeted by hunters, anyway. Tbh, the only time I bother using ManHunt to target quest NPCs is in really crowded areas. I know he's there, but I can't find him. |
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| 18:10.15 | End | hmm |
| 18:10.35 | Qzot | Very little value in targeting quest NPCs. Not a good reason to install ManHunt. |
| 18:11.00 | End | yeah |
| 18:11.10 | End | I came late into the conversation :P |
| 18:11.12 | End | so |
| 18:11.20 | End | I just started blabbing :P |
| 18:11.25 | Qzot | Actually, if ManHunt had provided a way to put an addon to two of the class categories, I would have put it into hunter and durid, since they're the primary targets. |
| 18:11.52 | Qzot | s/ManHunt/wowinterface/ |
| 18:12.00 | End | well, as a druid, I could possibly seeing myself use it, but not as much as a hunter |
| 18:12.03 | Miravlix | Why only hunters? |
| 18:12.16 | End | oh |
| 18:12.20 | End | there are potions |
| 18:12.22 | Miravlix | Paladins and Druids get trackers too. |
| 18:12.22 | End | too |
| 18:12.22 | Qzot | It's main value is letting to select targets through the minimap. |
| 18:12.32 | Qzot | Yes, there are. Undead comes to mind. |
| 18:12.36 | End | and demons |
| 18:12.59 | Qzot | Oh, right. But would you install an addon to enhance potion use? Maybe. |
| 18:13.01 | End | the two both look like superior health pots :O |
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| 18:13.14 | End | maybe if you use those pots a lot, I dunno |
| 18:13.50 | Miravlix | Doesn't matter how much you use the enhancement |
| 18:14.04 | Miravlix | It's important to have the functionality when it's availble |
| 18:14.17 | Qzot | Fair enough. |
| 18:14.51 | Abenadi | anyone here a wiz at UI designer? I'm struggling with the behavior of sliders... |
| 18:14.59 | End | well, it's useful for everyone at least a little bit, but 95% of the people who are going to bother installing it are probably going to be hunters :P |
| 18:15.15 | End | I'm not sure if it -should- go in the hunter class |
| 18:15.17 | Qzot | Or cat durids. That's my prime use. |
| 18:15.30 | End | yeah, that'd be 4.5% :P |
| 18:15.57 | End | well, maybe my percentages are a little off |
| 18:16.32 | Qzot | Altho... |
| 18:17.06 | Qzot | *cough* Nm. Definitely an abusive application. |
| 18:17.21 | Miravlix | Gotta reboot to re-install my firewall/virus scanner, it decided to go into this weird steal focus mode, bit annoying to have irc de-selected in the middle of typing. Or my editor. |
| 18:28.27 | Qzot | Cairenn: I may put out a version of ManHunt which allows a /script command to enable some debug messages. First I'll try to test a couple of things myself. |
| 18:40.18 | Abenadi | having some problems with sliders in WoW UI Designer, if anyone can help ->http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4997 |
| 18:40.36 | Abenadi | relink: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4997 |
| 18:43.04 | End | iirc, sliders have a low and high fontstring kid that you have to change |
| 18:43.13 | End | (well, two kids) |
| 18:43.31 | End | oh |
| 18:43.46 | End | it looks like you may have figured that out a bit |
| 18:44.06 | End | hrm |
| 18:44.29 | End | I don't use the ui designer though |
| 18:44.57 | Abenadi | what do you use, a text editor? |
| 18:45.04 | End | yeah, pretty much |
| 18:45.11 | Abenadi | that's so.. much... text |
| 18:45.15 | Abenadi | and i'm not an xml person |
| 18:45.23 | End | I'm not an xml person either :P |
| 18:45.26 | End | well |
| 18:45.34 | End | I can "do" xml |
| 18:45.49 | End | and I do all the ui layout in xml |
| 18:46.03 | Iriel | I still prefer the 'draw it on paper/screen/whiteboard then translate it to code' approach |
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| 18:47.16 | End | well, I do try to figure out what it looks like first |
| 18:47.21 | Abenadi | I couldn't do the ui layout from scratch in xml text, but I could probably work within the framework generated by WoWUID to customize it. Still it would be nice if I could use WoW UID for the whole thing but it appears that some of the changes I want to make don't get saved |
| 18:47.28 | End | although I'm not all that faithful to my original plans sometimes :P |
| 18:53.25 | Kirkburn | So, yeah, HL2 Ep1 is now out, and I CAN'T BLOODY PLAY IT |
| 18:53.31 | End | :O |
| 18:53.32 | End | pwnt |
| 18:53.40 | Kirkburn | RAWR! |
| 18:53.43 | End | RAR |
| 18:53.45 | End | UNRAR |
| 18:53.47 | End | WINRAR |
| 18:53.56 | Kirkburn | It kept refusing my credit cards |
| 18:54.01 | End | weird |
| 18:54.06 | Kirkburn | To the point where they are no longer accepted |
| 18:54.12 | Abenadi | maybe you have a bigger problem... |
| 18:54.22 | Kirkburn | My details are apparently wrong |
| 18:54.58 | Kirkburn | Which is just annoying - I've only ever had a problem with steam with them |
| 18:55.26 | Kirkburn | *Yet*, I've managed to buy two games on steam before ... I just didn't write down exactly what I put in the details boxes |
| 18:55.29 | Iriel | I had a wierd steam CC problem at one point with HL |
| 18:55.48 | Iriel | But I pre-order so I work those issues out before launch day |
| 18:56.02 | Kirkburn | It annoys me that they ask for first name and last name rather then 'name on card' |
| 18:56.04 | Iriel | On the grounds that they'll be busy that day, so it's silly to put my playtime in jeapardy |
| 18:56.20 | Kirkburn | I tried buying it about a month ago, got my cards blocked then :/ |
| 18:56.48 | Kirkburn | I've never had a problem with any other online business :( |
| 18:57.27 | Iriel | Its probably just the way they format their request to their payment verification provider |
| 18:57.31 | Kirkburn | Three cards, all useless with Steam ... I should probably do something abut unlocking it |
| 18:57.44 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it's incredibly picky |
| 18:57.46 | Iriel | You would not believe how non-standard and bizarre credit card verification really is |
| 18:58.05 | Kirkburn | I think I've experienced it though :P |
| 18:59.08 | Kirkburn | The support article showing how exact it is ... http://support.steampowered.com/cgi-bin/steampowered.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=429&p_created=1137191832&p_sid=7mSOVZ8i&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD0yNjgmcF9wcm9kcz0mcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N2PSZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1#declined |
| 18:59.19 | Kirkburn | (so much for the 'semantic web') |
| 19:14.17 | Kirkburn | Submitted a steam ticket ... hopefully they'll unblock my cards, and I can have another couple of attempts at buying stuff |
| 19:14.42 | Kirkburn | (I think my credit card may have been properly blocked though, which isn't, er, good) |
| 19:18.50 | Qzot | Miravlix,Iriel: Well, GetMouseFocus():GetName() returns the same result for dots as for city/town names. |
| 19:20.00 | Qzot | I can probably decrease some of the addons problems be screening for GetMouseFocus():GetName() (or just GetMouseFocus() directly), but I'll still have a problem with city names. |
| 19:20.58 | Kirkburn | Dammit, Cide, CTUnitFrames isn't overridden by ClearFont :P |
| 19:21.14 | Cide | due to? loading order? |
| 19:21.32 | Kirkburn | Not sure, just had a couple of reports in the last few days about it |
| 19:21.40 | Kirkburn | I'm gonna take a look at it in a few mins |
| 19:21.56 | Kirkburn | I doubt it's loading order, ClearFont reloads every time an addon loads :) |
| 19:22.08 | Cide | not sure then |
| 19:22.12 | zenzio | rar@! "Logging in to game server" |
| 19:22.25 | Kirkburn | Cide, does it specify it's own fonts? |
| 19:22.26 | zenzio | bastard works for other realms, just not the one I want to |
| 19:22.37 | Cide | possibly |
| 19:22.40 | Cide | I can't remember |
| 19:22.50 | Kirkburn | Okay, I'll get back to you about it |
| 19:22.52 | Cide | I'd check but I'm trying to level a new character :( |
| 19:22.59 | Kirkburn | Have fun :) |
| 19:23.08 | Cide | I don't particularly like it, but I'll try, thanks :) |
| 19:23.16 | Kirkburn | It really starts to hot up about level 2 ;) |
| 19:24.41 | Qzot | Iriel: Why does wowwiki look so miserable on Mozilla Thunderbird? |
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| 19:28.03 | Qzot | Iriel: Is this a general incompatability with wowwiki and Mozilla *cough* Firefox, or do I have my settings wrong? |
| 19:28.09 | Qzot | (I meant Firefox before.) |
| 19:28.16 | Abenadi | my FF works fine on wiki |
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| 19:28.26 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 19:28.26 | Qzot | Okay. Must be mine. |
| 19:29.03 | Qzot | I don't get the nice shading, and tables are jumbled and overlapping, esp on the API pages. |
| 19:29.10 | Qzot | I always end up firing up IE. |
| 19:31.54 | Kirkburn | Hello ... the wiki has problems in IE7 |
| 19:32.12 | Kirkburn | But only for those who are logged in :/ |
| 19:32.51 | Kirkburn | I've never noticed any actual page problems in FF though |
| 19:33.20 | Kirkburn | So, who knows why the 'funnybone' is so called? |
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| 19:40.51 | Kirkburn | Qzot, maybe you could do a screenshot, and I'll see if I can make anything of it? |
| 19:43.13 | Qzot | k. Probably later. |
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| 19:43.54 | Qzot | Cairenn: Haven't found a way to prevent the "Unknown Entity" yet. |
| 19:44.14 | Qzot | Short of listing all towns that might be in WoW. |
| 19:48.14 | Iriel | Have you tried checking what kind of arrow the cursor is over? |
| 19:48.25 | Iriel | That may be nasty tho |
| 19:48.36 | Qzot | I'm looking at Minimap.xml right now to see if that's possible. |
| 19:48.39 | Iriel | You could try querying the maps for points of interest, that may give you town lists, but would be a nasty hack |
| 19:48.44 | Iriel | Dont look at the XML, it wont help you |
| 19:48.55 | Iriel | Look at GetChildren / GetRegions on the minimap frame at runtime |
| 19:51.32 | Qzot | By looking at the xml, I'm guessing that the city direction arrows are hard-wired, like the minimap dots. |
| 19:52.02 | Iriel | yes |
| 19:52.18 | Iriel | but they do have a lua presence if you call GetChildren on the minimap |
| 19:52.41 | Iriel | Unfortunately for you, GetChildren returns a list of results so you have to create a temporary table to wander through it in code |
| 19:52.46 | Iriel | which is a bit nasty |
| 19:53.14 | Iriel | Are there no color cues you can use to differentiate? |
| 19:53.23 | Iriel | (I'm only asking because I dont remember) |
| 19:53.24 | JoshBorke | anyone currently on thy PTR? |
| 19:53.30 | Kirkburn | Cide, it appears it is indeed working with CT_UnitFrames ... wonder what's up with the reporters' versions |
| 19:53.37 | Cide | heh, weird |
| 19:53.53 | Kirkburn | Although, I would have suggested it used the NumberFonts rather than GameFonts |
| 19:54.29 | Cide | yeah, I haven't gotten around to changing it yet |
| 19:54.44 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 19:54.56 | Kirkburn | It works though, which is nice |
| 19:55.33 | Kirkburn | I will never understand how the system works though |
| 19:56.28 | Kirkburn | Some people are so jumpy that they complain that ClearFont changes the login screen fonts |
| 20:06.11 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Ok Patlabor sucked |
| 20:06.20 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | So disapointed |
| 20:06.32 | JoshBorke | so this morning I was on teh PTR, and it didn't seem that a SPELLCAST_STOP was firing when I cast a buff on myself that I already had |
| 20:06.55 | AnduinLothar | that would suck |
| 20:07.30 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Doesn't your "buff timer" update then? |
| 20:07.37 | Kirkburn | What's the name of that warlock addon that puts a circular thing on your screen? |
| 20:07.43 | JoshBorke | yea it does. i wanted someone to check for me :-) |
| 20:07.44 | JoshBorke | necrosis |
| 20:07.49 | JoshBorke | necromicon? |
| 20:07.52 | JoshBorke | necro something |
| 20:07.57 | Cide | necrosis |
| 20:08.01 | Kirkburn | Necrosis sounds right |
| 20:08.13 | Kirkburn | It's still updated, right? |
| 20:08.37 | chuckg | More or less. |
| 20:08.44 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Yeah |
| 20:08.45 | chuckg | It's a bit "heavy". |
| 20:08.46 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | more or less |
| 20:08.55 | chuckg | And it's spell timers are severly lacking. |
| 20:09.28 | chuckg | But that's my own personal evaluation :) |
| 20:11.39 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I hate it when you write a macro for someone, and he just never answers as to whether it worked or not |
| 20:13.13 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Yeah I know, I guess I shouldn't spent too much time on the forums then, but still |
| 20:14.58 | Kirkburn | Uh, Cide, you know what I said earlier |
| 20:15.16 | Kirkburn | It works on the self unit frames, but not the party ones |
| 20:15.45 | Cide | hmm? |
| 20:16.29 | Kirkburn | The party numbers didn't get overidden |
| 20:18.30 | Kirkburn | Aha, I'll PM you why |
| 20:21.22 | Kaso | Shouryuu|Sleepy : even worse when you write a whole addon for them like happened to me a week or two ago =/ |
| 20:21.40 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol same |
| 20:21.54 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | My second add-on, BG Flag info was actually written for one guy |
| 20:22.17 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I spent a week debugging it with him (didn't have the game), and when I got it to work, he never answered :( |
| 20:22.31 | MentalPower | Man, using Azureus for downloading the pre-patch is so much more efficient |
| 20:22.42 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Get mutorrent! |
| 20:22.48 | Kirkburn | MentalPower, how? |
| 20:22.55 | AnduinLothar | rather than the bg downloader you mean? |
| 20:23.00 | Kirkburn | or, perhaps, MentalPower, link? |
| 20:23.04 | MentalPower | yeah |
| 20:23.06 | MentalPower | http://12.129.232.131/background/WoW-1.10.2.5302-x86-Win-enUS-BKGND.torrent |
| 20:23.20 | AnduinLothar | yeah i never did like the idea of the bg townloader when it was in testing |
| 20:23.24 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | pre-patch? |
| 20:23.55 | MentalPower | the thing thats getting transfered with the Blizz background downloader |
| 20:23.57 | Kirkburn | Where should the file go? |
| 20:24.05 | AnduinLothar | but the idea is it downloads slow enough you can play uninterupted at the same time |
| 20:24.49 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Yeah but are we a patch day? |
| 20:25.04 | Kirkburn | Are we? |
| 20:25.05 | AnduinLothar | no, it sends out a prepatch |
| 20:25.12 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Ah |
| 20:25.12 | Kirkburn | Any patch days in here? |
| 20:25.15 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | didn't know that |
| 20:25.23 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 20:25.27 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Kirkburn I hate you :P |
| 20:25.34 | Kirkburn | Aww, I hate you too :x |
| 20:26.00 | Kirkburn | It's a hate-hate relationship, only the best |
| 20:26.04 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | How do you write scheduel, or something like that |
| 20:26.06 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Yeah |
| 20:26.12 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I love hate hate relationships |
| 20:26.12 | Kirkburn | With a pencil ;) |
| 20:26.20 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I *really* hate you |
| 20:26.26 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I mean with a passion |
| 20:26.34 | Kirkburn | I love *really* hate love hate hate relationships |
| 20:26.43 | Kirkburn | passionately |
| 20:26.59 | Kirkburn | schedule, but how you say it is another matter |
| 20:27.01 | Kaso | im confused muchly now |
| 20:27.02 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 20:27.04 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Thanks :P |
| 20:27.11 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | (read: Burn) |
| 20:28.02 | Kirkburn | Well it's downloading rather faster than the BG downloader managed |
| 20:28.07 | Kirkburn | Which was 0kb/sec |
| 20:28.39 | Kaso | i'll just get it all from a ftp on patch day |
| 20:28.42 | Kirkburn | Where does thou wow-partial-1.mpq go though? |
| 20:29.33 | Kirkburn | That's not very community spirited of you :) |
| 20:29.42 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | hehehe |
| 20:30.05 | Kirkburn | Waitasec, I'm downloading a US version I bet |
| 20:30.09 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 20:30.14 | Kirkburn | poop |
| 20:30.34 | Kirkburn | So, er, can I have an enGB version this time? |
| 20:31.31 | Kirkburn | I thought it a bit odd when the FAQ for the patch said not to worry about the fact people can hack the download ... because 'they're already hacking the test realm version' |
| 20:33.25 | Kaso | blizzard said that? |
| 20:33.34 | Kirkburn | Will users be able to hack into the data that is gathered from the background downloader? |
| 20:33.39 | Kirkburn | The new data that is gathered will already be available to users on the Public Test Realm. |
| 20:34.08 | Kaso | the word hack is an odd one to use |
| 20:34.13 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 20:34.17 | Kirkburn | http://blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01954p |
| 20:34.26 | Kirkburn | Not a great choice :/ |
| 20:35.50 | Kaso | if i was un-technially minded that question would worry much more than put me at ease |
| 20:37.41 | Kirkburn | V true |
| 20:38.11 | Kaso | ah well, not like many people wil attually read that faq |
| 20:38.20 | Qzot | Iriel: Are you saying that the Minimap has structure that's not directly exposed through the API? |
| 20:39.01 | Qzot | I.e., that altho the API doesn't provide a means to query the mm dots, that there might be a way to do it through the UI? |
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| 20:41.53 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.17 | Kirkburn | I think my kidneys have recovered now :P |
| 20:44.14 | Kaso | Frame:Function() is the same as Frame.Function(Frame) right? |
| 20:44.42 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 20:44.43 | Qzot | Yes. |
| 20:44.48 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 20:44.49 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | What happened to your kidneys Kirkburn> |
| 20:44.50 | Kaso | well thats confusing |
| 20:44.52 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 20:44.56 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 20:45.02 | AnduinLothar | ignore me |
| 20:45.07 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 20:45.09 | Kaso | ok :> |
| 20:45.50 | Kirkburn | [19:00] * Cairenn|afk pokes Kirkburn <-- that's what 8-) |
| 20:45.50 | Qzot | As per Lua, foo:bar(x,y,z,...) is syntactic sugar for foo.bar(foo,x,y,z,...) |
| 20:46.05 | Kaso | thanks |
| 20:46.24 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 20:46.28 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, when you're bored, why don't you get involved on the wiki? |
| 20:46.49 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Well I don't have the game... Hard to fill the wiki without any info |
| 20:47.24 | wereHamster | Cairenn, how can I change the category for my addon? |
| 20:47.55 | Kirkburn | The wiki needs admin type help ... it's kinda disorganised, so you don't need to be an active player :P |
| 20:48.23 | AnduinLothar | if you want non-admin type help the addon pages always need updating |
| 20:48.42 | AnduinLothar | descriptions/change logs/features/place to dl |
| 20:48.54 | AnduinLothar | basicly documentation |
| 20:49.28 | Kirkburn | True |
| 20:49.43 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Yeah why not |
| 20:49.59 | Kirkburn | I think you could describe my role as 'formatter' |
| 20:50.02 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | I should have two-three weeks of free time in-front of me |
| 20:50.09 | AnduinLothar | if you want to be helpful to me personally you can start with the Cosmos addons that have nearly empty pages |
| 20:50.19 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Well no home-wrok, just class and hangovers on the week-end |
| 20:50.29 | Kirkburn | Cool |
| 20:50.37 | AnduinLothar | www.wowwiki.com/Cosmos_Addons |
| 20:50.37 | Kirkburn | (well apart from the hangovers bit) |
| 20:50.58 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Nay |
| 20:51.01 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | hangovers are fun! |
| 20:51.21 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 20:51.24 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/ArcanePartyBars is a good example |
| 20:52.20 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/FreeBagSlots is a good example of one that needs desperite attention |
| 20:53.20 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Ok I'll work on that, just not tonight :P |
| 20:55.34 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | ok Kirkburn Green Wing is getting funnier :p |
| 20:55.40 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 20:56.15 | Kaso | I love green wing, though i missed most of this season due to not having a TV at uni |
| 20:56.58 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar, should I change the patcher credit from Thott to, uh, who is it now? |
| 20:57.14 | Kirkburn | It most certainly does rock |
| 20:57.41 | AnduinLothar | Dormlock |
| 20:58.12 | Kirkburn | Miravlix should be on the Active Dev list, no? |
| 20:58.34 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 20:59.01 | Kirkburn | What should I credit him as? |
| 20:59.41 | Elkano | is there any formular know to calculate the MSV value for an 100% intact, unbound item given the MSV for the damaged an maybe soulbound version? |
| 21:00.27 | AnduinLothar | Coder is fine |
| 21:01.16 | End | ick, ups software is reporting the ups as having no battery, but at 100% battery capacity and 34 minutes of runtime and having a battery voltage |
| 21:01.33 | End | it's the phantom battery |
| 21:01.42 | AnduinLothar | my ipod was fully charged and died after 1 song.. |
| 21:01.50 | End | ouch |
| 21:02.14 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | Ohh I had that |
| 21:02.21 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | paid 200$ to get that repaired |
| 21:02.23 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | pissed me off |
| 21:02.27 | AnduinLothar | i've even replaced the battery |
| 21:03.01 | AnduinLothar | spose i can turn this one in and get some $ off a new one |
| 21:03.05 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | My Ipod broke down about 4 times in 1 year |
| 21:03.28 | AnduinLothar | gonna open it up and see if the battery conenction is lose or something tho |
| 21:04.10 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | How in god's name do you open a Ipod? |
| 21:04.26 | AnduinLothar | there's a tool to take off the back |
| 21:04.28 | AnduinLothar | it's not easy |
| 21:04.58 | Qzot | Iriel: You there? |
| 21:08.00 | chuckg | Poor poor Rustak. |
| 21:08.15 | chuckg | Doesn't have time to talk on IRC and his wiki can barely load half the time! D= |
| 21:13.20 | Iriel | Briefly |
| 21:13.30 | Iriel | (to the 'am i here' question) |
| 21:20.12 | JoshBorke | ( ckknight ): are you here? |
| 21:25.49 | Qzot | Iriel: With some crude tests, I'm not seeing an significant structure to the frames MinimapCluster and Minimap. |
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| 21:29.24 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | lol |
| 21:29.30 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | IQ tests FTW! |
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| 21:36.02 | AnduinLothar | ya, the battery connection must have been loose or soemthing, i openned it up and took it apart, tested it and put it back together and it seems to work fine now, full battery |
| 21:40.56 | Cairenn | wereHamster: you tell me what mod you want moved and where you want it moved to |
| 21:44.12 | grimman | I accidentally kicked a hedgehog today. |
| 21:49.34 | Maldivia | hmm... I was wondering why the game was so slow to start suddently... then I deleted the Blizzard Art/Data dirs in wow and wowtest, and vupti :) |
| 21:51.44 | grimman | http://guides.worldofwar.net/strategy.php?id=66 |
| 21:51.45 | grimman | Rawr |
| 21:51.50 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 21:52.14 | grimman | Merely watching the column for SS damage, but it's a nice comparison. |
| 21:52.30 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | YeahhhH! I'm not the only one to huggle Gryphen |
| 21:52.33 | grimman | Not that it brings anything new to the table, it just lets me know what to expect. |
| 21:52.41 | Cairenn | ckknight: you awake? |
| 22:01.27 | grimman | http://uploads.ungrounded.net/315000/315996_halofinnshed.swf << Tagged as NSFW + bad spelling |
| 22:01.41 | grimman | + good artwork + bad storyline + amusing |
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| 22:04.26 | Shouryuu|Sleepy | night folks |
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| 22:05.14 | ckknight | hey |
| 22:05.21 | ckknight | Cairenn, I was at a job site |
| 22:05.33 | ckknight | and hey, JoshBorke |
| 22:05.51 | Cairenn | no worries ... catching up with kiddo, will get back to you in a bit |
| 22:06.17 | ckknight | okay |
| 22:12.55 | Qzot | Hours waster, you are warned: http://www.google.com/trends |
| 22:15.11 | ckknight | I'm already tired of it |
| 22:15.11 | grimman | http://www.thepiratebay.org/ << I can see the MPAA/RIAA tearing their organized hair out now. |
| 22:15.28 | Qzot | http://www.google.com/trends?q=wowinterface%2Cwowguru%2Ccursegaming |
| 22:15.31 | Qzot | :( |
| 22:15.47 | grimman | Qzot: That's a good thing. |
| 22:15.49 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:15.51 | ckknight | it is |
| 22:16.16 | Qzot | http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-0&fp=447f9c13122150e4&ei=IWd_RMrxK4W6pwKDwZSnAg&url=http%3A//yro.slashdot.org/article.pl%3Fsid%3D06/06/01/1245241&cid=1106918634 |
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| 22:16.20 | ckknight | why is it bad? |
| 22:16.22 | Qzot | Concerning thepiratebay. |
| 22:16.27 | ckknight | ah |
| 22:16.32 | Qzot | Relative market share. |
| 22:19.43 | grimman | Hoot, a new version of Sensible Soccer! |
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| 22:26.50 | grimman | And I want it. |
| 22:27.32 | grimman | Silly games ftw. ^^ |
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| 22:30.56 | Abenadi | http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2Cmicrosoft&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all look at Seattle, WA under Cities |
| 22:34.55 | JoshBorke | ( ckknight ): any way to update the contents of the menus in DewdropLib in realtime? |
| 22:35.32 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 22:35.35 | JoshBorke | i scared him off |
| 22:35.55 | grimman | http://www.google.com/trends?q=halo%2C+george+bush&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all |
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| 22:51.18 | Kirkburn | I think I've done enough wiki editing for today |
| 23:08.43 | Codayus | JoshBorke: Realtime? |
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| 23:28.52 | Kirkburn | Just one more reason to hate fox: http://www.fox9.com/news/investigators/story.asp?1653685 |
| 23:30.23 | Kirkburn | (well, that branch, anwyay) |
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| 23:44.08 | Qzot | Are the values returned by frame:GetChildren() also frames? |
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| 23:45.32 | Qzot | Are the values returned by frame:GetChildren() also frames? |
| 23:45.35 | Qzot | Ack. |
| 23:46.18 | MentalPower | its a table with frame references, yes |
| 23:46.56 | MentalPower | well, scratch that. its a table with references to UI objects (frames, textures and fontstrings) |
| 23:47.02 | Qzot | Um. GetChildren() doesn't return a table, but a set of values (that you can put in a table). |
| 23:48.05 | Kirkburn | "In May spam mail accounted for 87.4% of email traffic" |
| 23:48.55 | Qzot | MentalPower: I.e., I can only expect the values returned to be UIObjects. |
| 23:52.20 | End | Kirkburn, about your fox link: It's magic it's magic! |
| 23:52.20 | MentalPower | I stand corrected |
| 23:52.20 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:52.28 | MentalPower | In my code I have children = {someFrame:GetChildren()} |
| 23:52.43 | MentalPower | hence why I thought it returned a table |
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