| 00:01.38 | JoshBorke | i r nub |
| 00:05.12 | Cide | F.E.A.R is actually pretty good in multi-player.. I thought it was going to be slow and boring, but it's the very opposite |
| 00:05.22 | grimman | Yeah. |
| 00:06.46 | grimman | Too bad I only have the demo... but on the other hand, I have a friend with a nice connection who can host so I always have access to a nice server at least. ;D |
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| 00:08.04 | Stylpe | ~emulate me |
| 00:08.05 | purl | Y'know, sometimes I wish I could just pause RL for a day or two, just so I could do what I want, without anything or anyone interfering. |
| 00:08.41 | _B | Thanks for info |
| 00:08.49 | _B | Are you by any chance emo? |
| 00:11.42 | AnduinLothar | everyone's a lil emo |
| 00:12.56 | ckknight | remember emo kids, it's down the street, not across the road |
| 00:14.41 | Kirkburn | Wish purl would emulate me =( |
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| 00:15.18 | Kirkburn | That sounded more normal in my head ... |
| 00:15.20 | Cairenn | so program him |
| 00:15.21 | AnduinLothar | ~emulate me |
| 00:15.22 | purl | moo |
| 00:15.22 | ckknight | ~emulate Kirkburn |
| 00:15.47 | ckknight | purl, emulate Kirkburn is <reply>That sounded more normal in my head ... |
| 00:15.48 | purl | okay, ckknight |
| 00:16.04 | Kirkburn | I think everything I say sounds more normal in my head, y'know :P |
| 00:16.09 | Kirkburn | ~emulate me |
| 00:16.11 | purl | That sounded more normal in my head ... |
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| 00:16.46 | Tem | I HATE Windows |
| 00:16.56 | AnduinLothar | amen |
| 00:16.58 | Kirkburn | You should live in a windowless box, then |
| 00:17.09 | ckknight | hrm, Tem? |
| 00:17.20 | Tem | I've got myself a virus |
| 00:17.33 | ckknight | ah |
| 00:17.37 | Iriel | Ewwww. |
| 00:17.38 | ckknight | I use AntiVir |
| 00:17.43 | Iriel | I do also |
| 00:17.50 | Kirkburn | A virus AND you hate windows? You'll be sufferring and no-one would notice :( |
| 00:18.17 | Kirkburn | How'd you get yourself a virus then? |
| 00:18.23 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:18.27 | ckknight | how did you get a virus? |
| 00:18.29 | Tem | I don't wanna talk about it |
| 00:18.32 | ckknight | ah |
| 00:18.33 | Kirkburn | Yes you do. |
| 00:18.33 | ckknight | STD |
| 00:18.40 | Tem | I fell for a silly trap |
| 00:18.44 | Tem | a very, very silly trap |
| 00:18.49 | Kirkburn | Ah, she said she was clean? |
| 00:18.54 | ckknight | many venereal diseases can be handled nowadays, Tem |
| 00:18.55 | Cairenn | *what* did you do Tem? |
| 00:19.13 | Tem | opened a file when I shouldn't have trusted the source |
| 00:20.33 | Kirkburn | And what type of file might this be? |
| 00:21.10 | Tem | it was supposed to be a picture of me |
| 00:21.34 | ckknight | who sent it to you? |
| 00:21.49 | Kirkburn | What file type exactly? I forget which are the dangerous ones ... |
| 00:22.41 | Kirkburn | See, what I find interesting is that you seem to be blaming windows for some reason. |
| 00:22.47 | Tem | a friend from highschool |
| 00:22.58 | Tem | haven't seen her in a few years |
| 00:23.27 | Kirkburn | That's odd ... tell me you do have an anti-virus prog? |
| 00:24.21 | Tem | I do |
| 00:26.42 | AnduinLothar | well if he didn't have windows the virus wouldn't have done anything |
| 00:26.57 | Tem | Maldiva you around? |
| 00:27.03 | Tem | d'oh |
| 00:27.16 | AnduinLothar | for instance i most likely have lots of viri on my machine, but the don't do anything |
| 00:27.22 | AnduinLothar | they* |
| 00:27.39 | Tem | *sigh* I guess it's reformat weekend |
| 00:28.03 | ckknight | Tem, can't get an antivirus to clean up the mess? |
| 00:28.18 | Tem | it was the downloader type |
| 00:28.28 | Tem | it called all of his friends |
| 00:28.38 | Tem | s/it/he/ |
| 00:28.51 | Tem | I may have gotten them all a moment ago |
| 00:28.53 | Tem | but I doubt it |
| 00:30.09 | Tem | ckknight: have you done any testing with FuBar on the PTR? |
| 00:30.50 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:32.50 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar, you do say some odd things ... |
| 00:33.07 | Tem | ckknight: do you think most plugins will require many changes? |
| 00:33.10 | Kirkburn | I'm sure if I managed to get a Mac virus on my machine it wouldn't do anything either |
| 00:33.21 | ckknight | Tem, likely none will |
| 00:33.34 | ckknight | Tem, I updated LocationFu, but that was cause of the "Under Attack" message |
| 00:33.46 | ckknight | and I updated GloryLib, cause the GlobalStrings changed |
| 00:33.47 | ckknight | that was it |
| 00:34.43 | Tem | awesome |
| 00:35.16 | ckknight | some of my libs will change |
| 00:35.18 | AnduinLothar | there aren't any mac viri kirk |
| 00:35.31 | ckknight | yes there are, AnduinLothar |
| 00:35.38 | AnduinLothar | there are a few worms that require admin password to install.. |
| 00:35.41 | ckknight | TabletLib and DewdropLib will change, I know that |
| 00:35.58 | AnduinLothar | but you'd really have to be tricked to do that |
| 00:36.15 | ckknight | yea, you'd have to be as dumb as a mac user |
| 00:36.19 | ckknight | jk |
| 00:37.04 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar, you think I'd have said that if I didn't have something up my sleeve? http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/04/30/apple.security.ap/ |
| 00:37.43 | AnduinLothar | that's not a virus. it's a worm |
| 00:37.55 | AnduinLothar | you still ahve to give them your adim pass to install |
| 00:38.34 | Kirkburn | That's not what the article says |
| 00:38.54 | AnduinLothar | the article says he clicked links to install software updates |
| 00:39.27 | Kirkburn | Again, not what it says |
| 00:39.27 | AnduinLothar | you can't install anything on a mac into the appropriate system folders unless you've give password or have modified your permissions stupidly |
| 00:39.43 | Kirkburn | "he clicked on a series of links that promised pictures of an unreleased update to his computer's operating system" |
| 00:40.49 | Kirkburn | Either way, I'm just saying - don't be lulled into a false sense of security |
| 00:43.27 | AnduinLothar | well, there was a security patch this week.. |
| 00:44.35 | Kirkburn | Hopefully it was related |
| 00:45.53 | Kirkburn | I've got a virus once - it must have been about 10 years ago. Got a crappy floppy disk game off a friend, which unfortunately also came with a little surprise |
| 00:46.04 | Kirkburn | Murgatroid I think it was called |
| 00:46.12 | Kirkburn | (the game, not the virus) |
| 00:46.36 | Kirkburn | He subsequently claimed he put it on on purpose :-/ |
| 00:47.25 | AnduinLothar | http://www.faqs.org/faqs/computer-virus/macintosh-faq/ |
| 00:47.25 | Kirkburn | Shocking, I know AnduinLothar, a virus-free 10 years ;-P |
| 00:49.03 | Kirkburn | A little out-of-date don't you think? "7th January 2000" |
| 00:49.17 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 00:49.53 | AnduinLothar | but you'll excuse me if I don't take cnn as my tech news source of choice |
| 00:50.27 | AnduinLothar | esp considering the tone of that article is that of alarmist 'neener neener' |
| 00:51.27 | AnduinLothar | I'll look into it tho |
| 00:52.05 | Kirkburn | Good-o! (I first saw it on The Inquirer, but I rather doubt that would hold higher esteem) |
| 00:52.29 | AnduinLothar | why does it not surprise me that your read The Inquirer |
| 00:53.00 | Kirkburn | Heh, it's stupid and I've all but stopped |
| 00:53.11 | Kirkburn | Neowin is my preferred news source |
| 00:54.55 | Kirkburn | It's odd, I always seem to choose the UK websites somehow, unconsciously |
| 00:57.46 | AnduinLothar | btw, that article of yours was from april 30th |
| 00:58.18 | AnduinLothar | the mac os x kernel went closed source mid may |
| 01:00.01 | AnduinLothar | it seems there have been security updates patching more than 100 software vulnerabilities in the past month |
| 01:00.32 | Kirkburn | woah, lots |
| 01:02.57 | AnduinLothar | mostly to safari, quicktime and various oem utilities |
| 01:03.07 | AnduinLothar | rather than the OS itself |
| 01:09.13 | AnduinLothar | so it seems to me that they are on the ball atm, if you keep your security updates downloaded |
| 01:09.32 | AnduinLothar | and there are still far less then windows |
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| 01:36.33 | cladhaire | Does anyone have a very simple FauxScrollFrame example? |
| 01:45.58 | Thrae | Anyone know what Blizzard's official stance on chat-channel communication is? |
| 01:46.24 | Thrae | IE, CTRA, CallToArms, etc. |
| 01:46.50 | AnduinLothar | no word |
| 01:46.58 | AnduinLothar | they don't ever say anythign about it |
| 01:47.45 | Thrae | If they think stuff like CTRA is wrong, then they should say so. I see no harm in mods like CallToArms or FlagRSP / MyRoleplay. All mods shouldn't have to suffer because of it... |
| 01:48.14 | Thrae | I'm currently trying to figure out how I can even USE CTRA. I'll have to disable CallToArms or get out of one of the default channels to free up a channel. |
| 01:49.05 | Thrae | MyRoleplay takes up two channels because if enough people use it, the extra information it sends could disconnect people if they use the old flagRSP channel, so people will have to have two channels for full backwards compatibility with flagRSP. |
| 01:49.28 | Thrae | s/if they use/if the addon uses/. |
| 01:50.15 | AnduinLothar | I already made an alternative chat comm and it's now embeddable. If people would use it it would solve all of those mentioned problems |
| 01:51.02 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: What does it do, compress the strings and send queue information on all sides so the channel doesn't get blasted? |
| 01:52.06 | AnduinLothar | incomming chat can only slow you down if it's all processed and causes looping |
| 01:52.13 | AnduinLothar | outgoing chat is queued |
| 01:52.29 | Thrae | And in the case of MyRoleplay being backwards compatible with flagRSP, since flagRSP couldn't use the embedded library (backwards compatibility isn't for people that update) |
| 01:53.10 | Thrae | What about then? Could the queue system from MyRoleplay prevent its outgoing chat to cause problems? |
| 01:53.25 | AnduinLothar | imo on a platform that patches every one or 2 months if you don't update your software you're asking for bugs |
| 01:53.56 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: Roleplayers != Nerds like us, not most of them ;) |
| 01:54.23 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: What's the name of the lib? |
| 01:54.37 | AnduinLothar | you already know if you thought hard enough |
| 01:54.38 | Thrae | I'll send over a link to the maker of MyRoleplay, if you don't mind. |
| 01:55.09 | Thrae | Uhhh, Sea? |
| 01:55.24 | AnduinLothar | Sky |
| 01:55.31 | Thrae | Right, Sky! |
| 01:56.27 | AnduinLothar | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-1153-1-sky.html |
| 01:57.48 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: Hmmm, the author claims that the added MyRoleplay traffic on flagRSP's old channel could bump off users of flagRSP. Could using Sky prevent this? |
| 01:57.55 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: How many channels does Sky use by default? |
| 01:59.06 | AnduinLothar | none |
| 01:59.39 | cladhaire | So cosmos was the one using the 4-5 channls? |
| 01:59.51 | cladhaire | I assume Sky only registers for a channel if you ask, otherwise it'll use some common channel? |
| 01:59.55 | AnduinLothar | same thing. but it never uses all 5 |
| 02:00.10 | AnduinLothar | afaik no one uses the zone channel |
| 02:00.19 | AnduinLothar | and only 1 addon used the guild channel |
| 02:00.25 | cladhaire | How many channels does it join, not how many does it use |
| 02:00.40 | AnduinLothar | Sky doesn't join any |
| 02:00.53 | AnduinLothar | the addon that wants to use a channel has to join it |
| 02:01.12 | AnduinLothar | you can do hidden whispers w/o joining any |
| 02:01.23 | AnduinLothar | or Sky is global channel |
| 02:01.25 | cladhaire | Okay, so how do you get multiple addons using the same channel? They both have to request the same channel? |
| 02:02.00 | AnduinLothar | Sky uses preset channel naming scheme |
| 02:02.23 | cladhaire | My question is.. how does Sky make the channel limitation any better, or does it not? |
| 02:02.50 | cladhaire | [sorry for askingso many questions.. i've always just piggypacked the CTRA channel for comms, which i've had little need for) |
| 02:02.53 | AnduinLothar | the same as any other standard. If it's used then you don't have conflict |
| 02:03.28 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: We have a 10 channel limit.. If i have 6 Sky addons and I've joined the 4 basic channels, am I capped? |
| 02:03.39 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 02:03.40 | cladhaire | I'm just thinking in terms of Satellite-- whch it seems had a different oal |
| 02:04.04 | AnduinLothar | if you have 6 Sky addons it depends highly on what they do |
| 02:05.31 | AnduinLothar | 'Sky' is a global channel, 'SkyParty' is a channel for your party indicated with the name of the party leader, 'SkyRaid' is similar to party only with raid leader, SkyGuild is the same way except uses the guild name, and SkyZone uses the zone name |
| 02:06.34 | cladhaire | So if I had a sky addon that uses each kind of comm, i'm in five channels? |
| 02:06.55 | ckknight | one thing I don't get is why is there both SkyRaid and SkyParty? |
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| 02:07.04 | cladhaire | but Sky only uses as many channels as I need |
| 02:07.17 | ckknight | wouldn't you use SkyRaid in a raid and SkyParty in a party? |
| 02:07.32 | AnduinLothar | atm 90% of Sky addons use a single channel, either SkyParty (PartyQuests, ArcanePartyBars) or Sky (Meteorologist, MiniGames) |
| 02:08.47 | cladhaire | Hrm, ok. |
| 02:08.59 | AnduinLothar | it has been proposed to merge SkyParty and SkyRaid. It just hasn't been done. We haven't had any addons that needed raid recently. And were we to change it it would just be an internal change and the Sky API calls would still be revers compatible |
| 02:10.50 | AnduinLothar | however, for instance If we merged raid and party PQ would have to be recodded to allow it |
| 02:10.50 | ckknight | I thought of writing a comm library |
| 02:10.52 | ckknight | then I got tired... |
| 02:11.06 | cladhaire | It seems like there are a number of reasons that CT_RA doesn't use Sky, and I think they're somewhat reasonable.. *shrug* |
| 02:11.15 | Thrae | Sky has 98 members on my server, not bad.... |
| 02:11.55 | AnduinLothar | I haven't heard any reasons from cide about not using SKy that still exist other than he doesn't want to recode it and have to worry about reverse compatibility |
| 02:12.20 | Cide | and the fact that users wouldn't like it |
| 02:12.28 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 02:12.32 | AnduinLothar | which tend to be valid points for established products |
| 02:12.36 | Thrae | *slaps his forehead* I know what I can do. I could have the option to use a channel of an existing addon if its detected. |
| 02:12.39 | cladhaire | The semantics of the raid channel changing |
| 02:12.41 | cladhaire | etc. |
| 02:12.51 | Cide | how many people use Sky? |
| 02:12.53 | cladhaire | I can think of a few other. |
| 02:12.53 | Thrae | Wait, I'm not making sense. |
| 02:13.07 | Cide | because everyone who doesn't use it will be stuck with another what? 2-3 channels? that they didn't have before |
| 02:13.08 | AnduinLothar | it's embeddable, it doesn't matter how many people use it |
| 02:13.25 | AnduinLothar | and no, it doesn't join any unless they have an addon that requests it |
| 02:13.34 | Cide | that's good. |
| 02:14.22 | cladhaire | But at this point, doing that would break A LOT of addons. |
| 02:14.27 | cladhaire | because of the way they hook and play with CTRA |
| 02:14.37 | cladhaire | and Sky _wasn't_ an option back then =) |
| 02:14.44 | AnduinLothar | the only limit you would have would eb that you dont get to choose your raid channel, however i think it's worth it to never have to announce it either |
| 02:14.58 | Cide | you still would |
| 02:14.59 | Thrae | Maybe I should just try to convince CTA and GEM to convert to Sky. |
| 02:15.08 | AnduinLothar | you woudl for reverse compat |
| 02:15.12 | Cide | exactly |
| 02:15.24 | Cide | add in that the spam would be HUGE, adding more overhead |
| 02:15.25 | AnduinLothar | but that doesn't work anyway given the way sky encodes |
| 02:15.40 | AnduinLothar | not sure what you mean by spam |
| 02:15.51 | Cide | I know at least 20 guilds that use CT_RaidAssist daily on my server |
| 02:16.03 | AnduinLothar | if you join SkyRaid it's for your raid only |
| 02:16.24 | AnduinLothar | it joins 'SkyRaid<LeaderName>' |
| 02:16.28 | Cide | ah, good. |
| 02:17.55 | Thrae | CTRA would be relatively easy to convert over to Sky because the entire raid should have the same version of CTRA anyway, and CTRA is so well known that guilds would bark at people, even in PUGs, to update it. |
| 02:18.05 | AnduinLothar | I've even thought about adding channel registration for addons so it would join and leave automaticly, but atm it's left up to the addons to do that, tho it's not really that hard and makes it more flexible for the addon |
| 02:18.12 | Cide | ctra doesn't need everyone to have the same version really |
| 02:18.19 | Cide | it's pretty good with backwards compatibility |
| 02:18.39 | cladhaire | very much so |
| 02:18.47 | Thrae | Cide: But if you did something like change to using Sky, you'd just get groans from the community. It's not THAT big of a deal. |
| 02:18.59 | Tain | ctra kicked me in the shins |
| 02:19.03 | cladhaire | It _could_ be done mostly transparently |
| 02:19.09 | cladhaire | WatchDog eats puppies |
| 02:19.27 | Thrae | cladhaire: When will WatchDog have its puppy named 2.0? ;) |
| 02:19.41 | ckknight | FuBar kicked my kitten |
| 02:19.41 | Cide | Thrae: the groan from ctra's userbase would be pretty big |
| 02:19.46 | Tain | I had a suggestion for WatchDog but I forgot it. |
| 02:19.59 | cladhaire | I don't take suggestions to WatchDog =) |
| 02:20.09 | cladhaire | WD is essentially being dissolved *gasp* |
| 02:20.13 | Cide | like when we removed the default UI |
| 02:20.19 | ckknight | ? |
| 02:20.19 | cladhaire | Clique is taking all click-casting responsibility |
| 02:20.19 | Cide | in CTRA |
| 02:20.27 | cladhaire | WatchDog is goign to customizable unitframes |
| 02:20.34 | cladhaire | and PerfectRaid will be the minimalist raid UI |
| 02:20.36 | Cide | I would assume that less than 0.1% of the CTRA users 1) visit the forums and 2) dislike the change |
| 02:20.51 | Thrae | Cide: There's such a point when you need to stop supporting really old versions. |
| 02:20.51 | Cide | and there was a lot of moaning about it |
| 02:20.58 | cladhaire | Cide: What specifically did you remove about the default UI? |
| 02:21.07 | Cide | I made it not load, cladhaire |
| 02:21.15 | cladhaire | did you leave the actualy raid TAB and all functionality there (like MiniBlizzRaid) or disable it entirely? |
| 02:21.26 | Cide | I left the raid tab there |
| 02:21.32 | Cide | but removed the draggable raid frames |
| 02:21.34 | cladhaire | with all units, right-click functionality, etc? |
| 02:21.40 | cladhaire | and people complained? |
| 02:21.40 | Cide | yes |
| 02:21.42 | Cide | yes |
| 02:21.56 | cladhaire | You should have just made it an option on by default =) |
| 02:22.03 | Thrae | ...Why did they complain? |
| 02:22.06 | cladhaire | but let them turn it off, with a reload |
| 02:22.12 | AnduinLothar | cause they used them |
| 02:22.24 | AnduinLothar | i don't use ctra frames |
| 02:22.27 | Thrae | Why would they be using CTRA -AND- Blizzard's Default Frames |
| 02:22.31 | Cide | because some people wanted to 1) use the default frames or 2) drag out a class or two while using CTRA's group sorting |
| 02:22.47 | Thrae | Ahh. |
| 02:23.05 | AnduinLothar | i just use it for announcements and rdy checks |
| 02:23.06 | cladhaire | you'd be suprised with the wacky things people do with raid frames |
| 02:23.44 | Cide | I've been working on some changes to ctra for a month or so |
| 02:23.59 | cladhaire | people are so damn picky.. they want PR unit frames for party, so I'm finishing that up |
| 02:24.01 | Cide | but I'm still waiting on CreateFrame inheritance for the majority of it |
| 02:24.17 | cladhaire | Cide: You can use IVF for most everything you need |
| 02:24.22 | cladhaire | your frames don't include the exceptinos. |
| 02:24.24 | Thrae | cladhaire: I thought it already integrated with WatchDog, or people don't use that when they use PR? |
| 02:24.44 | cladhaire | Thrae: Lots of people use WD JUST for click casting.. hence why I'm forking it into Clque |
| 02:24.48 | cladhaire | s/Clque/Clique |
| 02:24.55 | cladhaire | slash |
| 02:24.59 | Cide | cladhaire: yeah, but I decided to work on other stuff until it gets added in |
| 02:25.17 | ckknight | cladhaire, hehe, glories of modularity |
| 02:25.24 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:25.34 | cladhaire | Cide: Looked at making things dirty? =) |
| 02:25.48 | cladhaire | i'm still praying for that =) |
| 02:25.51 | Thrae | cladhaire: I use it for Grow On Depletion option, AceHeal can hook for click-casting if needed. Not a lot of unit frames actually have Grow On Depletion and the simplicity of WD. |
| 02:26.11 | Thrae | As a Healer, Grow On Depletion rocks. And I only play Druid. |
| 02:26.27 | cladhaire | do I include spellbook parsing/heal selection logic in Clique? |
| 02:26.33 | Cide | heh, I've spent some time on ctprofiles.. but for ctra I'm planning on splitting it into two mods, and making all of the option menu and raid frames dynamically crated on request |
| 02:26.34 | cladhaire | if I do I can absorb all teh AceHeal users. |
| 02:26.47 | Cide | so that should free up some of the "bloat" people are whining about |
| 02:26.55 | cladhaire | Cide: Sounds like a nice improvement. |
| 02:27.01 | Cide | hopefully |
| 02:27.08 | Cide | but changing the option menu will take forever |
| 02:27.13 | cladhaire | *shake* |
| 02:27.14 | cladhaire | not at all |
| 02:27.14 | Thrae | cladhaire: Couldn't hurt, since Thisterhall is AWOL and so is his AceUnitFrames project that was suppose to go along with AceHeal. |
| 02:27.16 | cladhaire | seriously |
| 02:27.20 | cladhaire | include virtual="true" |
| 02:27.24 | cladhaire | run it through teh XSLT |
| 02:27.29 | Cide | oh, I want to recode it |
| 02:27.30 | cladhaire | and you've got your entire frame, dynamically. |
| 02:27.35 | cladhaire | Cide: Aaah.. you're like me =) |
| 02:27.40 | cladhaire | I make it sound simple, buit I never actually do that |
| 02:27.54 | cladhaire | Thrae: AUF and AceHeal were mutually exclusive imo |
| 02:28.05 | Cide | CT_RAOptions_CreateOption(identifier, text, optionType, xPos, yPos, disabled, hidden) basically |
| 02:28.07 | cladhaire | but yeah, that's why i'm thinking |
| 02:28.19 | cladhaire | that'll be nice for you guys =) |
| 02:28.43 | Thrae | cladhaire: Well, one of the magic of AUF is that you could hook AUF and it would work with all unit frames made from AUF. AceHeal was Thisterhall's example of this, and actually came with AUF. |
| 02:29.21 | cladhaire | Aaah.. good point. |
| 02:29.53 | cladhaire | AUF was a great concept.. but I"m always against frameworks that add overhead to what I'm doing.. |
| 02:30.00 | cladhaire | Most of my stuff ends up home-grown |
| 02:30.05 | Thrae | But AceHeal's code is relatively small, no reason not to put it into Clique. The big part is all the saved info about spells, you could just conditionally load that if people use the heal selection. |
| 02:30.44 | Thrae | Of course, then naming it "Clique" doesn't encompass all its features ;) |
| 02:30.58 | cladhaire | It does if its the only click-casting mod anyone needs? |
| 02:31.06 | cladhaire | and i've seen the way some of the others do it, and it makes me sad |
| 02:31.24 | Thrae | Hehe. |
| 02:32.20 | Thrae | Looong time ago...when did they add Pet Frames? |
| 02:32.49 | cladhaire | When Vika was working on WatchDog |
| 02:32.53 | cladhaire | and pet frames got added to the API =) |
| 02:33.07 | Cide | oh, I remember that |
| 02:33.10 | Cide | it was a glorious day |
| 02:33.18 | cladhaire | Indeed! |
| 02:33.26 | Codayus | It's easy to forget sometimes just how much WoW has changed since release. :-) |
| 02:33.35 | Cide | (I could delete CT_PetHealth, likely the biggest hack I will ever write) |
| 02:33.39 | Codayus | Or the UI and API, anyhow. |
| 02:33.47 | cladhaire | Cide: I loved that hack, as priest =0 |
| 02:33.58 | Cide | it was hilarious really |
| 02:34.20 | Thrae | I remember CT_PetHealth never working right for me, but I think I was using an addon pack like Insomniax at the time (ah the follies of youth) |
| 02:34.27 | Cide | scanning combat log for damage taken, approximating max health |
| 02:34.39 | Cide | it even simulated hp regen from being out of combat. haha, it was great |
| 02:34.53 | Cide | Thrae: yeah, it was never very 'bug free' :) |
| 02:34.56 | cladhaire | Never right, but better than nothing =) |
| 02:35.23 | Thrae | Indeed, I used it to backup the standard health bars over the pet's head |
| 02:37.55 | Thrae | "Login Server Down" ... better not log off WoW! |
| 02:39.05 | AnduinLothar | oic.. the bank color IS different in 1.10.. it's just nearly the same color |
| 02:39.11 | AnduinLothar | so close i never noticed |
| 02:39.21 | AnduinLothar | as oppossed tothe stone white on 1.11 |
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| 02:49.07 | Thrae | Is there a slash command for reporting to GMs? |
| 02:58.33 | Corrodias | i think there may be.. or was that just for bugs? |
| 02:59.05 | Thrae | Corrodias: As far as I can tell, there isn't any for either, at least not on the release servers. |
| 03:03.28 | Thrae | What's am embeddable slash command handler? Ace is overkill for this little addon. |
| 03:12.51 | cladhaire | Thrae: I have one, but its not finished. |
| 03:12.59 | cladhaire | Unless its complex, just do it manually imo |
| 03:15.20 | Thrae | Nevermind, I'm stupid. |
| 03:37.37 | AnduinLothar | that was an awsome wsg |
| 03:37.46 | AnduinLothar | when i got in we were down 0/2 |
| 03:37.55 | AnduinLothar | I ran all 3 flags and we won |
| 03:38.28 | dukeku | goddamn overpowered paladin |
| 03:39.17 | AnduinLothar | ya, damn repentance is uber when flag running |
| 03:39.59 | dukeku | my paladin is specced 29/11/11, totally a kickin' pvp spec |
| 03:42.20 | AnduinLothar | aye. i was reckonning 2h spec until recently |
| 03:42.29 | AnduinLothar | but holy ret is so much better |
| 03:42.37 | dukeku | actually my spec sucks ass |
| 03:42.41 | dukeku | it's just for total pvp |
| 03:42.43 | dukeku | er, pve |
| 03:42.47 | dukeku | i have a rogue for pvp ;( |
| 03:43.13 | dukeku | playing my paladin in pvp is pretty lame, i've got all +healing/regen/mana gear along with bars filled with blessings and q/e for heals |
| 03:44.12 | AnduinLothar | I have like 5 sets of gear, one specificly for pvp |
| 03:46.08 | dukeku | i have like...five sets of pve gear |
| 03:46.17 | dukeku | and one set of gear warriors didn't want to bid more than ~2dkp on in AQ |
| 03:46.33 | dukeku | (suckers, more nexus crystals for me) |
| 03:48.52 | AnduinLothar | ya i need 3 for my glove agil enchant |
| 03:48.57 | AnduinLothar | for my crit gear |
| 03:54.07 | dukeku | hehe |
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| 04:21.26 | Kaelten | in linux where would I want to do mod_rewrite commands at? |
| 04:21.31 | Kaelten | do you just execute them in the shell? |
| 04:22.18 | Miravlix | Isn't mod_rewrite an apache extension and you configure it in the apache configuration? |
| 04:22.30 | Kaelten | not sure :) |
| 04:23.34 | haste | if you have it configured you can just create a .htaccess file in the folder you need it in, and write the rewrite rules there |
| 04:24.02 | Kaelten | ahah |
| 04:24.09 | Kaelten | thanks I'll try that |
| 04:24.49 | Miravlix | I think you can do Dynamic rewrites from scripts too |
| 04:25.30 | haste | what I usually did before was redirecting everything to a index.php file and let it handle the input |
| 04:26.04 | haste | quite nice if you want different kinds of URLs |
| 04:26.26 | Kaelten | thanks haste that worked |
| 04:58.56 | Tem | ~seen maldiva |
| 04:59.10 | purl | i haven't seen 'maldiva', Tem |
| 05:00.00 | Tem | I should really pay more attention to how people spell their names |
| 05:01.32 | Tem | can someone check something for me? |
| 05:02.49 | Tem | (if the PTR has a queue and how long it is) |
| 05:07.22 | dukeku | haste: not the wisest idea to do that with php |
| 05:07.43 | haste | "usually did" :) |
| 05:07.52 | dukeku | if you're doing something like index.pbp?blah=test / <?include("$blah")?> |
| 05:08.13 | dukeku | index.php?=/etc/passwd hoah |
| 05:08.19 | haste | and no, I didn't include something based on that |
| 05:08.24 | dukeku | ah ok |
| 05:08.27 | dukeku | a lot of people seem to do |
| 05:08.30 | dukeku | do that, even |
| 05:09.42 | haste | but then again if the server allows to show the passwd file.. |
| 05:09.52 | haste | or any other server configuration |
| 05:09.55 | dukeku | haha true |
| 05:12.58 | ckknight | ~seen maldivia |
| 05:13.03 | purl | maldivia <i=the_real@85.24.45.122> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 6h 43m 53s ago, saying: 'night all'. |
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| 05:17.34 | Thrae | Heh, this addon wouldn't have taken so long if I didn't pick a spot to ALT+TAB that had a wandering patrol...twice |
| 05:18.17 | Thrae | http://www.matts-hosting.com/~generalmx/Reported_v0.1.zip |
| 05:18.21 | Thrae | Now back to grinding! |
| 05:18.26 | Abenadi | question: Do I have to do anything to save variables besides put them in ## SavedVariables: var1, var2, var3 in the toc file? |
| 05:18.45 | ckknight | not really |
| 05:18.53 | ckknight | loading them is a different matter |
| 05:19.01 | Abenadi | maybe that's where i'm having problems |
| 05:19.12 | ckknight | you gotta wait until after VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 05:19.53 | Abenadi | afk a min |
| 05:21.29 | ckknight | Thrae, why are you using else if instead of elseif? |
| 05:22.20 | ckknight | Thrae, also, I recommend attaching the server time to the end of the reports |
| 05:23.14 | Thrae | ckknight: Well, what's the cheap way to do "else _,_,n=string.find(msg,pat) if n then" as an elseif ? |
| 05:23.27 | ckknight | there isn't for that |
| 05:23.39 | ckknight | but you do have flat else ifs |
| 05:23.55 | ckknight | e.g. else if msg == "d" |
| 05:24.28 | Thrae | Oh I see what you mean. Yeah, those used to be after a string.find() call, I'll fix that now. |
| 05:24.56 | ckknight | btw, cool mod |
| 05:25.00 | Thrae | I was going to try to accept "name", "nam", "na", "n", etc., but I realized that was stupid. |
| 05:25.34 | ckknight | instead of doing a tostring on the x/y location values, I'd do a format("%.4f", x) |
| 05:25.48 | ckknight | or better yet |
| 05:25.53 | ckknight | format("%.4f", x * 100) |
| 05:26.32 | ckknight | actually format("(%.4f, %.4f)", x * 100, y * 100) |
| 05:27.47 | Thrae | ckknight: No it's good, I don't have prior experience with formatting locations ;) |
| 05:27.54 | ckknight | alright |
| 05:28.06 | Thrae | Will GetTime() return the server time or the client time? |
| 05:28.14 | ckknight | lemme check |
| 05:28.33 | AnduinLothar | client computer |
| 05:29.11 | ckknight | GetGameTime |
| 05:29.15 | ckknight | err, GetGameTime() |
| 05:29.26 | ckknight | that gets it in 24h time |
| 05:29.36 | ckknight | you may or may not want to change it to 12h time + am/pm |
| 05:31.55 | Thrae | Hmmm, 031 must mean Malestrom is has Central/Mountain time. |
| 05:32.11 | Thrae | s/is//. |
| 05:32.19 | ckknight | 031? |
| 05:32.33 | Thrae | Yeah, it just returned "031", no formatting. |
| 05:32.43 | ckknight | it should return hour, minute |
| 05:33.03 | Thrae | Oh it has two returns? I just did an ace:print on it :D |
| 05:33.13 | haste | ;D |
| 05:33.15 | ckknight | both ints, [0, 23] and [0, 59] |
| 05:35.35 | Tem | oh noes |
| 05:35.45 | Tem | I get back from taco bell and the world server is down |
| 05:36.26 | Tem | phew, it's back |
| 05:44.27 | Thrae | ckknight: http://www.matts-hosting.com/~generalmx/Reported_v0.2.zip |
| 05:50.48 | Tem | !! you can resist the interrupt part of counterspell now! |
| 05:53.50 | ckknight | Thrae, can't download |
| 06:12.36 | Thrae | ckknight: Try again. |
| 06:15.13 | Thrae | I finally decided to set my Samba mask to 755 so I don't have to chmod the file afterwards. |
| 06:16.16 | haste | do like me! delete pam ;D |
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| 06:27.56 | dukeku | i'm gonna throw a dadaism festival and not show up |
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| 07:10.55 | Miravlix | Is there any build in Yes No Frame? |
| 07:11.15 | Miravlix | I can use for my own evil purpose. :p |
| 07:23.32 | Miravlix | Anyone know of an addon with a PopUp Yes No Window I can learn from? |
| 07:30.39 | Miravlix | -- This is a symbol available for people who need to know the locale (separate from GetLocale()) |
| 07:30.39 | Miravlix | LOCALE_enGB = true; |
| 07:31.09 | Miravlix | Hmm, just noticed that variable in Bliz FrameXML localization.lua |
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| 07:46.30 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Mornig all |
| 07:46.43 | Shouryuu|Crazy | 'Have the forums been down for the past 12 hours? |
| 07:49.57 | Miravlix | What forums? |
| 07:50.06 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Sorry, the official forums |
| 07:50.23 | Miravlix | That doesn't really make it any clearer. :) |
| 07:50.35 | Miravlix | There is many WoW official forums. :) |
| 07:50.51 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Official WoW UI forums :P |
| 07:51.20 | Miravlix | There is Korean, Chinese, German, US English, EU English, French and a few others |
| 07:51.31 | Shouryuu|Crazy | The US ones? |
| 07:52.27 | Miravlix | :p Don't look there much. |
| 07:53.04 | Shouryuu|Crazy | They seem to be, but 12 hours is a looong time... |
| 07:56.54 | Miravlix | Works fine for me |
| 07:58.10 | Shouryuu|Crazy | The topics haven't changes since last night for me |
| 07:58.55 | Shouryuu|Crazy | But I can post.. hum hum |
| 07:59.28 | Miravlix | It's all in your head |
| 08:01.01 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Yeah probably :P |
| 08:04.11 | Tem | Shouryuu|Crazy: yeah, something is up with the forums |
| 08:04.27 | Tem | they appear to be working fine except that there is a conspicuous lack of new posts |
| 08:07.57 | Tem | oh I see now |
| 08:08.13 | Tem | when I logged in I got a CB annon account |
| 08:08.24 | Tem | which cannot post in the ui forum |
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| 09:14.03 | AnduinLothar | what language do they speak in Taiwan? |
| 09:16.16 | Miravlix | Mandarin? |
| 09:16.51 | AnduinLothar | if so, then why would they need a taiwan localization for wow |
| 09:17.12 | AnduinLothar | ah, Taiwanese |
| 09:17.23 | AnduinLothar | Manderine is 2nd |
| 09:17.37 | AnduinLothar | Mandarin* |
| 09:19.49 | Miravlix | Haha, that was so much a guess that I wasn't even sure it was a language |
| 09:20.10 | AnduinLothar | Mandarin == Chinese |
| 09:23.15 | Miravlix | My first test run of TTLib used for erasing unused SavedVariables was a good success. |
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| 09:27.22 | Miravlix | Hmm, not sure if I should use Chronos to keep nagging until the user has been through all the entries. |
| 09:32.39 | Miravlix | Oh well who cares, I just lost all the code. |
| 09:33.04 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 09:33.29 | Miravlix | Fuck |
| 09:34.53 | AnduinLothar | thinking about that makes me sleepy |
| 09:35.45 | Miravlix | My SVN commit didn't work, so the file never got SVN'ed and I reverted to an older version. |
| 09:35.55 | AnduinLothar | :( |
| 09:37.06 | Miravlix | I don't understand why the backup file contained an older version too |
| 09:40.41 | Miravlix | Aah offcourse, it makes a backup when I started editing, it doesn't backup every time I save. |
| 09:45.38 | Miravlix | Half a days work, bu bye, that soo sucks |
| 09:49.33 | Miravlix | I need a bigger house with sound proffing, times like this calls for lots of very very very very very loud music. |
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| 10:16.49 | grimman | /wave |
| 10:18.46 | grimman | Busy times in here I see. |
| 10:25.06 | ckknight | quite |
| 10:29.51 | grimman | If I didn't mention it, the SVN version works perfectly. ^^ |
| 10:30.12 | grimman | Had to update a dependant addon, but that was it. |
| 10:31.57 | ckknight | hrm |
| 11:56.58 | Miravlix | local numLanguages = GetNumLaguages(); |
| 11:57.23 | Miravlix | Someone post on the US forum that GetNumLanguages() need a spell checker, it's missing a N |
| 11:58.41 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 11:58.45 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I'm on it |
| 11:59.34 | Shouryuu|Crazy | So it's GetNumLaguages instead of GetNumLanguages right now? |
| 12:07.34 | Miravlix | Yeah it's GetNumLaguages in game |
| 12:08.32 | Shouryuu|Crazy | donce |
| 12:08.34 | Shouryuu|Crazy | *done |
| 12:09.14 | Miravlix | Hmm, should I code an if GetNumLaguages or GetNumLanguages |
| 12:13.24 | Shouryuu|Crazy | It's strange that blizzard hasn't put any UI support for the G15 LCD screen |
| 12:13.52 | Shouryuu|Crazy | But lunch time for me! |
| 12:14.09 | Miravlix | Over lunch for me and I haven't had breakfast yet. |
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| 13:08.10 | Kirkburn | Does anyone have Office 2007 installed? |
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| 13:16.03 | Kirkburn | Anyone? Office 2007?? |
| 13:17.54 | grimman | Well, someone probably. |
| 13:18.12 | grimman | But noone in here apparently. |
| 13:18.26 | Kirkburn | I just want a copy of the new version of the font 'calibri' :( |
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| 13:39.58 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: hehe... Consolas is available to download :) |
| 13:41.17 | Kirkburn | Ah, I think I know the thing you mean - doesn't that check for the program? |
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| 13:42.49 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: hmm, think I've found them online, just a sec :) |
| 13:43.30 | Kirkburn | They should be version 1.0 |
| 13:44.31 | Maldivia | yeah ok, found version 0.9 |
| 13:45.51 | Kirkburn | Ah, sounds like the same one I've downloaded about 5 times thinking it might be different :P |
| 13:51.53 | Maldivia | hmm... |
| 13:52.09 | Maldivia | 15:51:59 (10.16 MB/s) - `OPPLUS-EN.EXE' saved [461881224/461881224] :) |
| 14:24.27 | Ktron | Hey, anyone using/used Tekkub's Perfect Raid Targets? I found a link, but it's dead, and I'm trying to determine whether it was a typo or whether he took it down or what not... link's http://svn.wowace.com/dl.php?repname=Ace+SVN&path=%2Ftrunk%2FPerfectRaidTargets%2F&rev=0&isdir=1 |
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| 14:26.47 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Kirkburn Aren't we still in 2006? |
| 14:28.29 | Shouryuu|Crazy | This is rather a neat UI... I might want to look around for those mods http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6986/wowscrnshot0514060937595ds.jpg |
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| 14:28.45 | Ktron | heh, now I'm getting very suspicious |
| 14:28.55 | Ktron | http://svn.wowace.com/dl.php?repname=Ace+SVN&path=%2Ftrunk%2FGonffBar%2F&rev=0&isdir=1 also won't work... |
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| 14:33.21 | Shouryuu|Crazy | What's that suposed to do? |
| 14:34.08 | Ktron | keep getting disconnected... was that toward sme Shouryuu|Crazy ? |
| 14:34.20 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Aye :P |
| 14:34.48 | Ktron | Gonff Bar is a timer for instant casts mostly for rogues |
| 14:35.15 | Ktron | basically counts energy ticks... and the one before that goes with Perfect Raid as a raid frames replacement |
| 14:35.32 | Ktron | and if you meant the links, heh, get me somewhere to download things |
| 14:35.54 | Shouryuu|Crazy | hehe |
| 14:40.12 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Has anyone tried replacing the XP bar with a bar that indicates how far away you are from a certain point? Like if the bar is half full, you're halfway there and so forth? |
| 14:41.06 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol I might try and write that if I have some time some day |
| 14:42.29 | Ktron | heh, I don't think I've seen that, but that should be doable |
| 14:42.47 | Ktron | doing it between zones could be rough |
| 14:42.48 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I'll give it a shot one day :P |
| 14:43.01 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Yeah I guess I'll have to do it until the zone |
| 14:43.12 | Ktron | but you could do a 'units to Point' when you're in the zone, and maybe a 'X zones away' when you're not |
| 14:43.52 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Zones have their own sets of coords right? |
| 14:44.03 | Ktron | yeah, I think every zone has their own set of coords |
| 14:44.29 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I guess I could just add the coords |
| 14:44.38 | Shouryuu|Crazy | But that may come out funky.. |
| 14:44.47 | Ktron | heh, then you could go crazy and offer reporting and be able to see how far away everyone in your party/raid is ;) |
| 14:44.54 | Ktron | (who is running the addon of course) |
| 14:44.56 | Shouryuu|Crazy | hehe |
| 14:45.35 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I'll make the bar progress from right to left if you're going to wrong way as well :P |
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| 14:53.01 | Maldivia | Shouryuu: that screenshot from before... he's not very social it seems :) |
| 14:53.27 | Shouryuu|Crazy | indeed |
| 14:53.32 | Shouryuu|Crazy | didn't even realise :P |
| 14:53.42 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I guess I'll put my chat log instead of my combat log |
| 14:54.06 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I'm out |
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| 16:13.19 | Maldivia | anyone on PvP PTR? |
| 16:34.37 | Kirkburn | No, but I'm watching someone give themselves a coffee enema in Green Wing ... |
| 16:35.23 | Kirkburn | I've also seen a green dwarf beaten to death with a stuffed Heron, and a woman give birth to a lion cub |
| 16:40.08 | Kirkburn | Oh, and now two people are eating fresh umbilical cord |
| 16:44.00 | Elkano | Kirkburn, you have starnge hobbys... |
| 16:44.07 | Kirkburn | hehe |
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| 17:01.17 | Shouryuu|Crazy | boo |
| 17:03.04 | Shouryuu|Crazy | adaboy |
| 17:03.38 | Elkano | na, was just scared by Shouryuu ;) |
| 17:03.56 | Elkano | but thx anyways :) |
| 17:04.40 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Weee |
| 17:04.50 | Elkano | when did they change the anchoring of the scrollbar texture? was it 1.8 or 1.9? |
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| 17:06.38 | Esamynn | Good morning all |
| 17:06.48 | Kirkburn | Mornin' |
| 17:06.51 | Elkano | good evening ;) |
| 17:07.07 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu|Crazy, seen any Green Wing yet? |
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| 17:10.27 | Kirkburn | This is genius: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luVcCs0UMB0 |
| 17:12.00 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Watching Saw II Kirk |
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| 18:10.10 | Kirkburn|Away | Shouryuu|Crazy, look it's your favourite poet in the news! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5021774.stm |
| 18:11.34 | Shouryuu|Crazy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.49 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Saw II was rather poor |
| 18:24.51 | Shouryuu|Crazy | When do you consider a table to be large? When it has 100 entries? 1000? 10 000? |
| 18:25.49 | zenzelezz | I'd say that depends on what it's a table of |
| 18:25.58 | Shouryuu|Crazy | (x,y) coords |
| 18:27.31 | Iriel | It also depends on the indices |
| 18:28.03 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Numbers, 1 to n |
| 18:28.13 | Iriel | An hash table with X entries is about 5 times the size of an array with X entries |
| 18:28.48 | Shouryuu|Crazy | A hash table being a table indexed by strings and not numbers? |
| 18:29.03 | Iriel | indexed by something other than consecutive integers starting at 1 |
| 18:29.08 | Shouryuu|Crazy | ok |
| 18:29.30 | Iriel | Lua does have some flexibility with sparse arrays, and can create hybrid array/hash tables too |
| 18:29.55 | Iriel | so it's not really a black and white situation, but it's easier to pretend it is 8-) |
| 18:30.07 | Shouryuu|Insane | hehe |
| 18:30.14 | Shouryuu|Insane | it's always easier to pretend anyways :P |
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| 18:39.01 | Kirkburn|Away | Yay, now Dell are gonn a have *even more* stuff pre-installed on them |
| 18:39.25 | Kirkburn|Away | They've done a deal with Google to put the google stuff on |
| 18:41.46 | Shouryuu|Insane | Don't worry Kirkburn|Away I'm getting better! |
| 18:42.03 | Kirkburn|Away | 'Insane' is better?? :P |
| 18:42.15 | Shouryuu|Insane | It's higher on the scale of madness! |
| 18:42.36 | Shouryuu|Insane | How could that be worst... |
| 18:43.25 | Kirkburn|Away | Well I'd say insane is worse than crazy, but maybe I'm just mad... |
| 18:43.32 | Shouryuu|Insane | hehe |
| 18:43.37 | Shouryuu|Insane | n00b... |
| 18:44.14 | Kirkburn|Away | Look, you still haven't watched Green Wing, so you won't get in my good books that way ... |
| 18:44.23 | Shouryuu|Insane | hehehe |
| 18:44.40 | Kirkburn|Away | It's better than Saw II |
| 18:44.53 | Shouryuu|Insane | Won't be hard |
| 18:45.29 | Kirkburn|Away | Er ... it's better than ... that weird film you keep mentioning you watch all the time |
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| 18:45.41 | Shouryuu|Insane | I might be dilusional, but aren't you awau? |
| 18:45.42 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 18:45.43 | Kirkburn|Away | Pocohontas? |
| 18:45.51 | Shouryuu|Insane | Hey ComicSansMS |
| 18:45.58 | Shouryuu|Insane | *away |
| 18:46.03 | Shouryuu|Insane | ComicSansMS, Haunted *rocked* |
| 18:46.08 | ComicSansMS | :D |
| 18:46.13 | Shouryuu|Insane | Where did you get the audio book btw |
| 18:46.39 | ComicSansMS | a friend of mine brought from his vacation in uk... |
| 18:46.49 | ComicSansMS | don't know where he bought it :( |
| 18:46.56 | Shouryuu|Insane | I want to buy it but I doubt I'll find it around here in France |
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| 18:47.23 | Shouryuu|Insane | I'm off then :P |
| 18:47.26 | Shouryuu|Insane | night folks |
| 18:48.13 | Kirkburn|Away | Off to the asylum he goes ... |
| 18:48.39 | ComicSansMS | ^^ back into the sanity of reallife... |
| 18:49.02 | Thrae | Sanity of real life? What an oxymoron ;) |
| 18:52.51 | zenzelezz | I find "oxymoron" to be a weird word |
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| 18:56.08 | Kirkburn | GRAH, bloody power supply |
| 18:56.27 | Kirkburn | It can't cope with the oven and washing machine on |
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| 18:59.41 | Kirkburn | At least I'm on a laptop though |
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| 19:18.16 | Kirkburn | This may be of interest to anyone who loves Starcraft: http://www.blizzplanet.com/?action=news&id=790 |
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| 19:23.54 | grimman | I'm worried about whether or not the balance and micro management carries over with the conversion... |
| 19:24.13 | Kirkburn | Hopefully :) |
| 19:24.38 | grimman | I didn't like WC3 at all. |
| 19:24.42 | grimman | So I'm sceptical. |
| 19:24.55 | grimman | RTS games should be 2D. |
| 19:24.56 | grimman | ;) |
| 19:25.24 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 19:25.33 | Kirkburn | Just like real life :P |
| 19:25.45 | Kirkburn | This doesn't surprise me: "The Duke of Edinburgh has described Olympic Games opening and closing ceremonies as "bloody nuisances" and called for them to be banned." |
| 19:33.56 | Kirkburn | Official: the egg came before the chicken! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/nottinghamshire/5019682.stm |
| 19:56.14 | grimman | Who's that Duke character and is he PVP enabled? |
| 19:57.39 | dukeku | o_O |
| 19:57.43 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 19:57.48 | Kirkburn | Well, are you?? |
| 19:58.02 | dukeku | yais |
| 19:58.39 | Kirkburn | Gabe or Penny Arcade has done a Leeroy Jenkins card for the WoW card game: http://www.penny-arcade.com/2006/05/26#1148684340 |
| 19:58.50 | Kirkburn | grimman, what are you actually talking about? |
| 20:07.08 | Kirkburn | Fun thread of the day =) http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=1030038&p=1&tmp=1#post1030038 |
| 20:10.40 | Kirkburn | Heh, I just worked out, if 6 million players are paying an average of £10 a month ... Blizz has a WoW revenue of about £1400 every minute |
| 20:11.13 | Iriel | That average is likely off |
| 20:11.31 | Iriel | the chinese market for example is pay-per-hour |
| 20:11.56 | Iriel | (well, per unit time, not sure what the unit is) |
| 20:12.19 | Iriel | and I suspect many folks dont play quite as much, though potentially they're compensated for by the addicts |
| 20:15.20 | Kirkburn | True |
| 20:15.56 | Kirkburn | (Re: thread I linked) ... can you imagine everyone being on one server |
| 20:16.42 | Iriel | I didn't read the thread, but I would imagine that to be both awesome and impractical, but some day, hopefully. |
| 20:16.46 | Kirkburn | I quite liked the image of flights paths being one long line of griffons, head-to-tail |
| 20:16.51 | Iriel | Eve is cool because of the single-universe aspect |
| 20:16.59 | Kirkburn | Aye, I really want to play it |
| 20:17.00 | Iriel | (well, the world woul dhave to be much bigger, would't it?) |
| 20:17.08 | Kirkburn | Ever so slightly :P |
| 20:17.08 | Iriel | Want a free trial code? |
| 20:17.11 | Iriel | I can send you one? |
| 20:17.12 | Esamynn | lol, if everyone was on one server, and there was collision between players, NO ONE would be able to even move! |
| 20:17.55 | Kirkburn | Iriel, does it have an expiry date? |
| 20:18.10 | Iriel | I believe it's a 14 day trial |
| 20:18.31 | Kirkburn | I mean, I wouldn't be able to use it for some time, until summer |
| 20:18.44 | Iriel | then ask me when summer arrives |
| 20:18.50 | Kirkburn | Heh, shall do :) |
| 20:19.34 | Kirkburn | Am I right in thinking it has just or will get a graphical upgrade? |
| 20:19.45 | Kirkburn | (even though it's already incredibly beautiful) |
| 20:20.03 | Iriel | I'm not sure, I dont track their updates quite as well as I do WoW |
| 20:20.36 | Kirkburn | Fair enough ... well, hopefully see you on there sometime |
| 20:20.48 | Iriel | Their distributed server architecture is interesting, but it does make gameplay feel a lot more 'fly by wire' than say wow |
| 20:21.01 | Iriel | or for that matter, jumpgate, which I greatly enjoyed |
| 20:21.50 | Esamynn | so Iriel, did you have any opinion on the idea of storing my GUI config XML as a virtual template and only creating it when needed? |
| 20:22.31 | Iriel | Esamynn : It's a tough one, if you assume that it's never opened in a normal gaming session, then that has definite merit |
| 20:23.04 | Esamynn | that's definately true for the config for some of mine, most of the time I never look at the config |
| 20:23.29 | Iriel | But since there's no way to discard the 'template' when you're done, there's potential waste once the config has been opened. |
| 20:23.54 | Esamynn | yes, thus my question for slouken |
| 20:23.58 | Tain | I'm having Ben & Jerry's Vermonty Python ice cream. |
| 20:24.01 | Tain | With fudge cows. |
| 20:24.11 | Iriel | The 0.5 MB number came from him |
| 20:24.15 | Iriel | for the standard UI |
| 20:24.36 | Esamynn | yah, in which case, it's definately worth it for at least a couple of my AddOns |
| 20:30.13 | Esamynn | is it just me, or has there been a real slew of "API" requests recently? |
| 20:30.36 | Iriel | requests for things we've had workarounds on for months? |
| 20:31.07 | Esamynn | yah... |
| 20:32.29 | Esamynn | one of them was for an API function to block party invites, I responded by taking 30 minutes and coding an AddOn for them ;) |
| 20:33.59 | AnduinLothar | took you thirty minutes? |
| 20:34.22 | AnduinLothar | isn't that just a macro? |
| 20:34.23 | Esamynn | I took my time and did it properly :P |
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| 20:35.43 | AnduinLothar | StaticPopupDialogs["PARTY_INVITE"].OnShow = function() DeclineGroup() end |
| 20:35.50 | Esamynn | lol |
| 20:35.59 | Kirkburn | I'm going to have Mars ice cream then |
| 20:36.21 | Kirkburn | (and it seems I hadn't scrolled down past Tain's comment) |
| 20:36.22 | Esamynn | how about /script UIParent:UnregisterEvent("PARTY_INVITE_REQUEST") |
| 20:36.46 | Esamynn | mine's shorter 8) |
| 20:37.20 | AnduinLothar | that works too, but then you're never told about the invite nor who invited you and they have to wait for the decline, no? |
| 20:37.40 | Esamynn | you'd still see the CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM event that informs you of invites |
| 20:37.45 | ckknight | hey all |
| 20:37.53 | Esamynn | and yes, the decline would timeout |
| 20:37.59 | AnduinLothar | mmk |
| 20:38.25 | AnduinLothar | you way's easier to restore too |
| 20:38.47 | Maldivia | Anyone done extensive testing on the PTR? |
| 20:39.38 | Esamynn | but I decided to go through the process of writing a full AddOn for it that notifed the user, provided a slash command to toggle it and saved the setting, test the AddOn and upload it |
| 20:39.56 | AnduinLothar | so, i've got some seemingly new channel problems. They're like undead channels but they don't show up in my chat-cache |
| 20:39.57 | Esamynn | I was in a generous mood at the time |
| 20:40.08 | Esamynn | back in 20-30 |
| 20:40.47 | AnduinLothar | they don't show up in the chat list or the GetChannels() list but GetChannelName() says they're alive and have a # |
| 20:40.57 | MoonWolf | like |
| 20:41.01 | MoonWolf | ghost channels..... |
| 20:41.51 | AnduinLothar | right, alex named um 'undead' back when he first started working on Sky |
| 20:42.13 | AnduinLothar | but i found those usually showed up in the chat-cache and could be deleted while you were offline |
| 20:42.33 | Maldivia | *smirk* |
| 20:43.23 | AnduinLothar | ug fine, i'll do the traditional channel wipe.. i hate doing this |
| 20:43.56 | MoonWolf | you can call the classic undead ones zombie channels |
| 20:44.01 | MoonWolf | and we can call these ghost channels. |
| 20:44.21 | Cide | how about paladin channels? they... just.. never... die! |
| 20:44.50 | AnduinLothar | thx for the help guys. you guys are awsome.. |
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| 20:45.32 | AnduinLothar | there was an appleboy on my server a while back, a chinese farmer.. |
| 20:45.44 | AppleBoy | what's this place about? |
| 20:45.59 | AnduinLothar | wow addon development |
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| 20:46.16 | AppleBoy | cool |
| 20:46.20 | Shouryuu|Insane | Hello |
| 20:46.25 | wedlock | forgive me for asking a rather nobish question, but when naming e.g UI components, is the scope the addon itself or all addons, so that I have to be careful with naming? |
| 20:46.35 | Cide | wedlock: global scope, so all addons |
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| 20:46.46 | wedlock | ouch.. better be careful then |
| 20:46.50 | AnduinLothar | xml's are all globlal |
| 20:47.01 | AnduinLothar | oi late |
| 20:47.04 | Cide | common practice is <ModName>_ComponentName |
| 20:47.30 | wedlock | ok, thanks. A bit of renaming to do then ;) |
| 20:47.37 | Cide | you can create "local" objects with LUA (that is, anonymous objects referenced only by a variable) |
| 20:47.41 | AnduinLothar | aye, I have a few lines that converts them all into ModName.ComponentName but it's a pain in the ass to work with |
| 20:49.06 | wedlock | so I have to watch out for the naming unless local in the LUA as well? or is it best practice to keep as much as possible local? |
| 20:49.07 | Shouryuu|Insane | Gawd I'm so tired |
| 20:49.50 | Iriel | wedlock : generally we make most things either local, or contained in a single addon-named global table |
| 20:49.52 | Shouryuu|Insane | Well everything you don't need to save inbetween sessions should be local |
| 20:50.01 | Shouryuu|Insane | Pienso |
| 20:50.24 | AnduinLothar | um no.. |
| 20:50.28 | Iriel | It largely depends on whether you need to have, or allow, access to them from other files |
| 20:50.29 | Cide | there are exceptions, of course |
| 20:51.05 | AnduinLothar | if you want any hope of debugging you'll make youre calls globally accessable somehow |
| 20:51.33 | Cide | or a lot of get/set functions :) |
| 20:51.34 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Well, you can always add global references during debugging, and remove them later |
| 20:51.57 | AnduinLothar | i much prefer the global addonname table |
| 20:52.26 | AnduinLothar | then I can remote debug too easily |
| 20:55.00 | Shouryuu|Insane | My god how can people so illitrate |
| 20:55.27 | Shouryuu|Insane | " does and one" Does anyone know. wtf... |
| 21:01.06 | Kirkburn | lol Shouryuu|Insane |
| 21:02.40 | Shouryuu|Insane | Humm hate to ask but what's that site Bela holds that has all the changes in UI script? |
| 21:02.54 | Kirkburn | wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 21:03.04 | AnduinLothar | lol, i never remember the name either |
| 21:03.11 | AnduinLothar | always think wdb |
| 21:03.14 | Shouryuu|Insane | lol thanks |
| 21:03.19 | Kirkburn | You only have to remember three letters, sheesh |
| 21:03.23 | Shouryuu|Insane | I just tired wdn.com and failed :P |
| 21:03.45 | Shouryuu|Insane | Mate, I don't even know my phone number |
| 21:03.50 | Shouryuu|Insane | I've had it for a year now |
| 21:04.31 | Shouryuu|Insane | And it's 8 numbers... I think... I know whole poems by heart, but my phone number, nu-hu |
| 21:04.42 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:07.12 | Kirkburn | Woop, I'm watching 24 ... stupid plotholes they have |
| 21:07.23 | Shouryuu|Insane | lol |
| 21:07.41 | Kirkburn | Apparently the British have never heard of backups |
| 21:08.10 | Kirkburn | And have no security around their US offices |
| 21:08.14 | Shouryuu|Insane | Backw-hats? |
| 21:08.19 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 21:08.36 | Kirkburn | (an MI6 building just got blown up) |
| 21:09.18 | Shouryuu|Insane | lol you serious? |
| 21:09.22 | Shouryuu|Insane | ahhh |
| 21:09.23 | Shouryuu|Insane | lol |
| 21:09.24 | Shouryuu|Insane | poor me |
| 21:09.26 | Shouryuu|Insane | in 24? |
| 21:09.36 | Kirkburn | Heh, yes, in 24 |
| 21:09.52 | Shouryuu|Insane | I was like, "omg, hide Shouryuu|Insane, they're comming for you next!" |
| 21:09.58 | Kirkburn | That would have been pretty scary otherwise |
| 21:10.23 | Kirkburn | Yes, I can see why you would be the next target on their list |
| 21:10.44 | Shouryuu|Insane | :D |
| 21:16.53 | Esamynn | ........................................................ |
| 21:21.51 | Maldivia | hmm... watch out, or it'll backfire... |
| 21:22.13 | TheWillToCode | Who called? |
| 21:22.13 | AnduinLothar | mmm this should be fun. we got the zg buff for AB |
| 21:22.26 | Esamynn | ~lart TheWillToCode |
| 21:22.34 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:22.47 | Maldivia | AnduinLothar: 1h 30m later in the queue... |
| 21:22.50 | Esamynn | haha, that's great! |
| 21:23.05 | AnduinLothar | we have 2 ;) |
| 21:23.17 | AnduinLothar | and it's AB weekend |
| 21:23.22 | AnduinLothar | 5-10 min queues |
| 21:24.41 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 21:24.41 | purl | Esamynn: thanks |
| 21:25.27 | Legorol | g'evening |
| 21:25.28 | Legorol | is Ace 1.3.1 backwards compatible with 1.3.0? |
| 21:25.57 | Kaelten | reasonably so |
| 21:26.15 | Kaelten | as far as I know the 1.x branch is backwards compatabile |
| 21:27.19 | Kaelten | that is unless I've gotten confused :) |
| 21:27.25 | Legorol | cool |
| 21:27.30 | Esamynn | damnit, I came up with a number of great ideas over the past week and now that I actually have time to work on them, I can't seem to get started |
| 21:27.39 | Legorol | Kaelten, I was wondering something about KC_EnhancedTrades |
| 21:27.53 | Legorol | on my WoW it seems to cause noticable lag when scrolling the profession window |
| 21:27.57 | Legorol | is this a known issue? |
| 21:28.10 | Kaelten | is that the new version? |
| 21:28.29 | Legorol | ehm.. no, i don't think so |
| 21:28.34 | Legorol | i'm going to update to latest and check it out |
| 21:28.46 | Esamynn | ~lart Legorol |
| 21:28.53 | Legorol | hehe |
| 21:28.57 | Esamynn | you should know better :P |
| 21:28.58 | Kaelten | with the new version the lag is still present, but less of it, and it only should happen the first time you scroll by an item |
| 21:29.08 | Legorol | ok, so I was being n00b user ;-) |
| 21:29.18 | Esamynn | ~noob |
| 21:29.19 | purl | noob is probably just what someone is before their a pro |
| 21:29.36 | Legorol | Kaelten, first time you scroll with the window open, or first time in a play session? |
| 21:29.45 | Legorol | i.e. if i close window and reopen.. |
| 21:29.48 | Esamynn | sigh, someone didn't know the difference between their/they're and there |
| 21:29.57 | Kaelten | I'm going to put in a chunked iterator so that it build it in the back ground |
| 21:30.06 | Kaelten | Legorol, first time a play session |
| 21:30.17 | Kaelten | after that the cache only gets updated when it needs to or when you tell it to |
| 21:30.22 | Esamynn | ~noob |
| 21:30.23 | purl | i heard noob is just what someone is before they're a pro |
| 21:30.25 | Esamynn | much better |
| 21:31.49 | ckknight | ~emulate cookie monster |
| 21:31.50 | purl | "C" is for cookie, that's good enough for me. Oh....cookie,cookie,cookie starts with "C". |
| 21:32.34 | AnduinLothar | :D |
| 21:33.10 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 21:33.10 | purl | :), Esamynn |
| 21:33.19 | Shouryuu|Insane | C is for crack you whacko |
| 21:33.37 | Esamynn | ~lart Shouryuu|Insane |
| 21:33.37 | ckknight | cookie is just what the hood calls crack, G |
| 21:35.50 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | Anyone know how to do that Square symbol? like 4^2 but with a little 2 |
| 21:36.37 | AnduinLothar | superscript |
| 21:37.11 | Esamynn | Shouryuu|Insane^ is definately an "Luser" |
| 21:37.14 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | I don't know anything higher than Insane other than insane^2 |
| 21:37.18 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | Oh noez! |
| 21:37.26 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | Now you're being plain mean |
| 21:37.31 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:37.54 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | Larting is O-K, but just don't call me a luser |
| 21:38.16 | Maldivia | aren't we all Lusers... that is, if L is short for LUA... |
| 21:38.18 | Esamynn | you're right, that was mean |
| 21:38.28 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | LuaUsers :P |
| 21:38.32 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:38.44 | AnduinLothar | luazers |
| 21:38.48 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | hehe |
| 21:38.50 | Esamynn | haha |
| 21:38.55 | Esamynn | luser |
| 21:39.02 | Esamynn | noob |
| 21:39.04 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | Who's going to say lazers and the "pwe pew" first? |
| 21:39.09 | Esamynn | oh oops |
| 21:39.20 | Esamynn | meant to swtich to my bot chat, was testing commands |
| 21:39.48 | Esamynn | ~lart me |
| 21:39.55 | Maldivia | Shouryuu: why use pasers, when you can get phasers ? |
| 21:40.01 | AnduinLothar | so, you think Gearter shadow pot and zg buff would be enough for 45 min strat? ;) |
| 21:40.05 | Maldivia | s/paser/laser/ |
| 21:40.16 | Esamynn | lol Maldivia |
| 21:40.36 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | PHat luAaSERS? |
| 21:41.08 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | Or we can do it the french cool way |
| 21:41.13 | Maldivia | What I wouldn't give for a phaser set on stun... *zap* |
| 21:41.29 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | which is speaking upside down |
| 21:41.48 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | Phat Aul 'Zers |
| 21:42.25 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | lol |
| 21:42.38 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | french for you is "Toi", people pronounce it "oit" |
| 21:46.47 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | Someone hold me back http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=384452&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 21:48.02 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | toooo late |
| 21:48.22 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.45 | Maldivia | yeah ok... was about to say something... |
| 21:49.09 | Maldivia | ... you could also have suggested him to click "Simple Chat" :) |
| 21:49.23 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | lol |
| 21:49.26 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | didn't know that |
| 21:51.00 | Elkano | things you don't want to see in chat while in BWL: http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kopievonwowscrnshot05270620513.jpg |
| 21:51.05 | *** join/#wowi-lounge wereHamster (n=tomc@gw.ptr-62-65-141-13.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 21:51.54 | Maldivia | LOL |
| 22:01.32 | ckknight | gah |
| 22:01.34 | ckknight | now I have to reply. |
| 22:01.43 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | lol |
| 22:04.07 | Kirkburn | Lol, he's edited it now, but it seems he wanted your mother to die slowly |
| 22:04.40 | Kirkburn | Such nice people you find around =) |
| 22:05.21 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | haha |
| 22:05.25 | Kirkburn | WTF is a pretty silly name for a folder though |
| 22:05.34 | Maldivia | WoW Text Files |
| 22:05.48 | ckknight | haha |
| 22:05.51 | ckknight | he's such a dick |
| 22:06.29 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | lol |
| 22:06.35 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | I agree the WTF folder is a sad sad name |
| 22:06.37 | Kirkburn | Don't you mean "he's such a %@$%" |
| 22:06.47 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 22:06.47 | ckknight | ... |
| 22:06.56 | ckknight | yea, I agree, Shouryuu |
| 22:06.57 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | I keep asking why and how blizzard could have named a folder like that |
| 22:07.26 | cladhaire | config.WTF? |
| 22:07.26 | Maldivia | internal joke, most likely... that went live |
| 22:07.26 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.27 | Kirkburn | heh, yeah |
| 22:08.16 | ckknight | see, I don't swear on message board, or directly insult people |
| 22:08.24 | ckknight | I just make indirect comments and infer things |
| 22:08.32 | ckknight | my goal is to make them feel bad |
| 22:08.37 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:08.51 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | And to believe I actualy answered nicely to that guy... |
| 22:09.05 | ckknight | it's like trolling, except that you don't realize it until it's too late |
| 22:09.14 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | hehe |
| 22:11.31 | Kirkburn | The Noblegarden compo designs are pretty cool |
| 22:13.35 | ckknight | lol, he responded to me |
| 22:13.48 | ckknight | how do I respond back cordially while at the same time calling him a douche? |
| 22:14.20 | Kirkburn | Tell him your his mother in disguise? :P |
| 22:14.38 | ckknight | no |
| 22:14.38 | Legorol | hey folks, i see this in the 1.11 changes thread: |
| 22:14.39 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | What did he say? |
| 22:14.40 | Kirkburn | *you're (<- I can't stand making that mistake) |
| 22:14.40 | Legorol | Created frames will not set the global symbol with their name if it already exists (:GetName() will still return the given name, but you'll need to access the frame via its object reference) |
| 22:14.48 | ckknight | "I do, I don't talk to her like that so you can !&$% off sir." |
| 22:14.55 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | Kirkburn Same lol |
| 22:15.05 | ckknight | I think I'll talk about the weight of a person's worth |
| 22:15.07 | ckknight | or something |
| 22:15.59 | Legorol | But I tried this: http://wow.pastebin.com/741928 |
| 22:16.36 | Legorol | and the second CreateFrame is not overriding the first one, in the sense that the name DynamicDummy still refers to the first |
| 22:17.15 | Legorol | So isn't this already the case in 1.10? |
| 22:17.32 | Iriel | yes, mostly |
| 22:17.42 | Iriel | but both frames return "DynamicDummy" for :GetName() |
| 22:17.52 | Iriel | Textures and FontStrings, however, always overwrite the global |
| 22:18.24 | Kirkburn | Anyone find it interesting that a CM linked the "New Blizzard Franchise in the horizon?" on their front page? |
| 22:18.58 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | ckknight that broke my head, your post that is |
| 22:19.26 | ckknight | it's about relativity in individuality |
| 22:19.27 | Kirkburn | readspost.WTF? |
| 22:19.46 | ckknight | I took an absolutism approach |
| 22:19.50 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | hehe |
| 22:19.51 | ckknight | thus nilling his argument |
| 22:19.56 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | lol |
| 22:20.02 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | I'm sure he'll get that point |
| 22:20.36 | Kirkburn | If I were him, I'd say that your comment belongs in the WTF folder with the layour-cache |
| 22:20.40 | ckknight | basically, in non-intellectual speak, "You're a dick, you swear here, you kiss your mother with the same mouth. You didn't get a new mouth along the way" |
| 22:21.05 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | That does make more sens |
| 22:21.14 | Kirkburn | I understand it now :) |
| 22:21.20 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | Same lol |
| 22:21.21 | ckknight | lol |
| 22:21.57 | ckknight | I like to win arguments by making my opponent not understand my argument, but by having a possible third party understand it |
| 22:22.05 | Legorol | Iriel: so wouldn't the correct wording in the 1.11 changes post be: CreateFontstring and CreateTexture won't overwrite the global |
| 22:22.12 | Legorol | because frames already don't |
| 22:22.12 | ckknight | thus, it would make him feel stupid |
| 22:22.22 | Legorol | (mind you, I didn't test this in 1.11, only in 1.10) |
| 22:22.36 | Iriel | Legorol : I thought about that, but it's more consistent this way, and there are 2 parts ot the change. |
| 22:22.47 | Legorol | ok, what are the two parts? |
| 22:22.56 | Legorol | i can see one part: that textures/fontstrings don't override the global |
| 22:22.58 | Legorol | what else? |
| 22:23.15 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | ckknight lol. Someone needs to a *nod* quoting that post. He will look dumb if he asks :D |
| 22:23.21 | Iriel | them having no name via GetName |
| 22:24.13 | Legorol | oh i see what you mean |
| 22:24.23 | Legorol | i haven't realised that GetName is returning nil at the moment |
| 22:25.00 | Kirkburn | Whatcha think of this sexy page? http://www.wowwiki.com/Rumored_Races = |
| 22:25.10 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | it rocks :P |
| 22:25.26 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 22:25.37 | Legorol | So the correct wording would be something like: In addition to frames, fontstrings and textures won't set the global with their name if it already exists. GetName will still return the name blah blah blah |
| 22:25.53 | Kirkburn | Now I just have to get BC released so the page may become relevant again |
| 22:26.24 | ckknight | oh well |
| 22:26.26 | ckknight | shoot |
| 22:26.31 | ckknight | thread done |
| 22:26.31 | Kirkburn | He didn't get it :( |
| 22:26.53 | Legorol | Iriel, feature request: can the text files included with your AddOns use DOS style line-endings instead of Unix style? ;-) |
| 22:27.06 | ckknight | how should I know? I didn't write it |
| 22:27.11 | netcurse | ;) |
| 22:27.16 | ckknight | I don't like the win32 api |
| 22:27.21 | Kirkburn | Patcher? |
| 22:27.31 | ckknight | curse thing |
| 22:27.40 | Iriel | Legorol : No, find a unix2dos script |
| 22:27.41 | netcurse | We are looking for help to make a patcher like the allakazam one |
| 22:27.46 | Iriel | Legorol : Or get a better editor |
| 22:27.48 | netcurse | that auto update the addon |
| 22:27.49 | Legorol | Iriel: sure I can cope with it |
| 22:27.56 | Legorol | i am thinking about the masses that use Windows ;-) |
| 22:27.58 | netcurse | and will send profile etc. |
| 22:28.04 | grimman | Iriel: Or tell him to get an editor capable of reading it. ;) |
| 22:28.04 | Legorol | I bet that majority of AddOn users are on Windows |
| 22:28.33 | Legorol | in fact, since WoW is only supported officialy on Windows and Mac, I'd there say that almost everyone (except krka) runs WoW on Windows :) |
| 22:28.57 | Kirkburn | And AnduinLothar, Mr. Immunefromviruses =P |
| 22:28.58 | Legorol | the problem is not with me, the problem is with Joe the Player who downloads Bookworm then opens the readme in Notepad |
| 22:29.01 | Iriel | grimman : Already did 8-) |
| 22:29.10 | Iriel | Hm |
| 22:29.13 | grimman | =) |
| 22:29.31 | Iriel | I suppose that particular observation has merit |
| 22:29.46 | Iriel | I'll have to think about readme's |
| 22:30.00 | grimman | Do the readme in HTML and you won't have to care about what Legorol has to say. ;) |
| 22:30.01 | Legorol | I do have a very nice text editor in the form of SciTe, i absolutely love its ability to explicitly show line-ending characters and allow you to change them |
| 22:30.08 | Legorol | grimman has a good point! |
| 22:30.13 | ckknight | I use Notepad2 |
| 22:30.19 | Legorol | to each their own |
| 22:30.20 | grimman | EditPlus ftw. |
| 22:30.42 | Legorol | well i tried a dozen or so editors until eventually settling on SciTe |
| 22:30.44 | Kirkburn | SciTe is pronounced ... interestingly ... in italian |
| 22:30.54 | Legorol | ok, coding question: |
| 22:31.09 | Legorol | is there any way I can add some sort of border or background to a FontString object? |
| 22:31.26 | Legorol | for debugging purposes, I want to see the boundaries of a FontString |
| 22:31.38 | Iriel | Legorol : Anchor a texture to it |
| 22:31.49 | Legorol | that's a good idea, why didn't i think of that :) |
| 22:31.51 | Legorol | thanks! |
| 22:32.17 | Maldivia | You have learned a new spell: Polymorph: Pig (Rank 1) |
| 22:32.22 | Legorol | woot! |
| 22:32.46 | Legorol | best thing about dynamic frames: i can try out random scripts without having to reload my gaming UI (which takes ages) |
| 22:34.18 | grimman | Disable all addons except the one you're editing? ;P |
| 22:36.29 | ckknight | Maldivia, is it any different from sheep except for visuals? |
| 22:36.35 | Maldivia | nope |
| 22:36.58 | Legorol | grimman: i like to test bits of code in odd spare moments when i am playing, e.g. on long gryphon flights |
| 22:37.06 | Legorol | but i don't want to log out, disable addons, log back in etc. |
| 22:37.13 | Legorol | i also want to avoid reloadUI |
| 22:37.13 | Maldivia | same mana, same reach, same duration (as normal rank 4) |
| 22:37.47 | grimman | Legorol: Well ok... you can avoid the login/logoff part by getting LoadIt. |
| 22:38.01 | Maldivia | now I just need to find out where the cow and the turtle spells are |
| 22:38.01 | grimman | But not ReloadUI. ;D |
| 22:38.05 | Legorol | that doesn't help, i still need to reloadui |
| 22:38.06 | Legorol | exactly |
| 22:38.21 | Legorol | with dynamic frames, i can just create something on the fly to play with |
| 22:38.23 | grimman | Still, I love the addon profiles myself. |
| 22:38.24 | grimman | Helps alot. |
| 22:39.48 | Maldivia | ok, pig and sheep look a lot alike at distance |
| 22:40.05 | Maldivia | but have different portraits |
| 22:40.22 | Legorol | Kaelten: the latest version of KC_ET seems to have AceGUI as required dep |
| 22:40.29 | Legorol | is that intended? (seeing that AceGUI is beta) |
| 22:40.44 | Kirkburn | Need to check something ... what's the difference between a Drake and a Dragon? |
| 22:41.28 | grimman | I can ask a friend who's a little wacko if you want to know... but I'd prefer it if you looked it up for yourself. ;) |
| 22:41.43 | ckknight | is ther another besides the sheep and pig? |
| 22:42.05 | Maldivia | cow and turtle... |
| 22:42.09 | Maldivia | or well, they are in the spell db |
| 22:42.20 | Cide | so, I had a pretty nice (in my opinion) idea on a mod |
| 22:42.35 | Maldivia | Cide: you don't have enough ? :) |
| 22:42.37 | Cide | it would be pretty easy to make a frame designer as a wow addon, that outputs lua code |
| 22:42.43 | Legorol | Can anyone tell me what's in Spells.dbc and why is it such a popular file to poke? |
| 22:42.50 | Legorol | (sorry for the hijack Cide) |
| 22:42.51 | Cide | yeah, I have a lot of things to do already :( |
| 22:42.52 | grimman | http://www.jsayers.com/thingpart/thingpart21.jpg << wth? |
| 22:42.59 | Cide | Legorol: every single spell in the game |
| 22:43.13 | Legorol | as in, player castable spells? |
| 22:43.14 | Cide | mana cost, description, range, cooldown, duration, you name it |
| 22:43.16 | Legorol | or including NPC/mob etc. |
| 22:43.17 | Cide | no, *every* spell |
| 22:43.41 | Legorol | I see |
| 22:43.43 | Cide | I can tell you some of the things that will happen inside naxx, for example |
| 22:43.59 | Cide | there is a debuff that limits healers to cast at most one spell per 60 seconds |
| 22:44.01 | Legorol | Is there any spell in Spells.dbc that wouldn't be obtainable with a data-gathering AddOn? |
| 22:44.23 | Cide | yes |
| 22:44.25 | Cide | since there are a lot of spells that NPCs never cast |
| 22:44.39 | Kirkburn | Noob NPCs |
| 22:45.04 | Maldivia | well, you can't in detail information about spells, without looking in the dbc |
| 22:45.19 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=MentalPo@host-70-45-81-205.onelinkpr.net) |
| 22:46.09 | Legorol | Cide: does Spells.dbc have some sort of information that the client uses about the effect of the spell, or just the text associated with it that the client would display in a tooltip |
| 22:46.30 | Cide | what do you mean, specifically? |
| 22:46.31 | Legorol | What I mean is, is the client using Spells.dbc just for information purposes, or is it actually obtaining game-data from it |
| 22:46.36 | Legorol | (if that makes more sense) |
| 22:46.41 | Cide | it obtains game data |
| 22:46.42 | Legorol | ok for example, Fireball |
| 22:46.53 | Legorol | I assume Spells.dbc has the tooltip text for Fireball |
| 22:47.08 | Cide | yes |
| 22:47.14 | Legorol | actually, lets' use that debuff you mentioned as an example |
| 22:47.26 | Legorol | that debuff, if it's on a player, the player could read the tooltip text, right? |
| 22:47.35 | Maldivia | yep |
| 22:47.42 | Legorol | so does Spells.dbc contain anything else about that spell in addition to that tooltip text? |
| 22:47.46 | Cide | oh |
| 22:47.50 | Legorol | since only the server needs to know how to handle it |
| 22:47.52 | dukeku | ok, i know it's not wow/lua related...but |
| 22:47.52 | dukeku | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.52 | Cide | like I said, *everything* |
| 22:47.55 | dukeku | what the fuck is ^=? |
| 22:47.56 | Legorol | i.e. something pertinent to game mechanic |
| 22:48.03 | dukeku | it's c |
| 22:48.18 | Legorol | Cide: I guess my question is, what constitues *everything* :-) |
| 22:48.26 | Cide | Legorol: it contains all game mechanics except for "server-side script effect" |
| 22:48.28 | Legorol | Beyond the tooltip text, I am not sure what else is needed |
| 22:48.29 | dukeku | i've never seen that operator outside of avr code and i have no clue what it is |
| 22:48.36 | dukeku | xor? o_O |
| 22:48.45 | Cide | let me fire up the DB I have and give you some fields |
| 22:48.48 | Legorol | so if i could edit Spells.dbc, would my fireball cause more damage? surely not |
| 22:49.06 | Cide | probably not :) |
| 22:49.15 | Maldivia | Legorol: mana cost (flat or percentage), spell name, spell description, spell buff/debuff text, icon, range, area of effect, damage-range etc |
| 22:49.33 | Legorol | hm, i am surprised |
| 22:49.34 | Iriel | ^= is the xor modifier |
| 22:49.36 | Maldivia | Legorol: it wouldn't cause more damage, but the tooltips would probably show the wrong data |
| 22:49.43 | Legorol | if the server is enforcing the game rules, why does the client need this data? |
| 22:49.43 | dukeku | Iriel: ok, thanks |
| 22:49.51 | Maldivia | Legorol: for tooltip generation |
| 22:49.52 | dukeku | couldn't find the answer anywhere |
| 22:50.00 | Legorol | ok, so we are back to my original question |
| 22:50.10 | Legorol | is the data in Spells.dbc used for anything *other than* tooltip generation? |
| 22:50.12 | Maldivia | Legorol: it's either store it locally, or fetch all the data from the server (and it's a lot) |
| 22:50.30 | Maldivia | Legorol: range check for spells, so the client knows if it's within range, for IsActionInRange checks |
| 22:50.35 | Legorol | i can understand how you dont just want a static piece of text, since there are range/damage/casttime modifying effects |
| 22:50.46 | Maldivia | Legorol: showing area of effect on area spells |
| 22:50.52 | Legorol | i see |
| 22:51.03 | Legorol | that makes sense, ok |
| 22:51.28 | Legorol | Ok, so the bottom line: could you give me an example of anything in there that I wouldn't be able to get by parsing a tooltip? |
| 22:51.42 | Cide | resisttype, dispelID (type of dispel spells that work), mechanicID (what spell mechanic it is), number of charges, % modifier, duration ID, manacost, rangeID, spell data (damage range etc), duration (not same as duration ID), AoE area, time interval, spellName, spellRank, spellDescript |
| 22:51.43 | Kirkburn | Anyone want to update this page? http://www.wowwiki.com/WoW_UI_Customization_Guide |
| 22:52.03 | Cide | spellBuffTooltip, and about 150 unknown fields I haven't figured out what they are for |
| 22:52.13 | Kirkburn | It's datable to feb 2005, so, er, it's a bit out of date |
| 22:52.22 | Legorol | thanks Cide |
| 22:52.27 | Cide | np |
| 22:52.43 | Maldivia | Cide: check wowguru.com/wiki/ - there are some information about the dbc files |
| 22:52.57 | Legorol | So apart from convenience, is there a need for people to datamine that file? |
| 22:53.09 | Cide | Legorol: I have to for, say, ctprofiles.net |
| 22:53.10 | Legorol | i am still trying to figure out if there is anything in there that an AddOn couldn't work out |
| 22:53.18 | Maldivia | Legorol: generate the Equip, Use, Chance on Hit text for items |
| 22:53.18 | Cide | the itemcache files only give spell ID |
| 22:53.21 | Legorol | that's my main question |
| 22:53.30 | Legorol | ok, but mining itemcache is again mining ;-) |
| 22:53.49 | Cide | which we have to link with the spell.dbc file to get, like Maldivia, equip/use/chance on hit text |
| 22:53.59 | Cide | Legorol: true |
| 22:54.03 | Legorol | ok you lost me |
| 22:54.06 | Maldivia | yeah, but it's faster than parsing tooltips :) |
| 22:54.12 | Legorol | the equip/use/chance on hit text is displayed by tooltips |
| 22:54.16 | Cide | right |
| 22:54.24 | Legorol | darn, i just can't phrase my question right.. |
| 22:54.37 | Cide | well, it's mostly for convenience |
| 22:54.42 | Legorol | Ok, so is there something, anything that a suitably well-written AddOn couldn't obtain? |
| 22:54.46 | Maldivia | Legorol: you can't get item Use cooldown information from tooltip scanning |
| 22:54.51 | Cide | spells that aren't cast |
| 22:55.03 | Legorol | but if they are not cast, they are not relevant. |
| 22:55.07 | Kirkburn | ... and you wonder why WoWGuru doesn't get linked on the official sites |
| 22:55.09 | Legorol | it's like mining for items that never dorp |
| 22:55.14 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | lol |
| 22:55.14 | Cide | not really |
| 22:55.27 | Cide | "Kel'Thuzad casts Immovable Barrier" (just making things up) |
| 22:55.44 | Cide | an addon can't figure out more than the spell name from that |
| 22:55.53 | Legorol | ok |
| 22:56.03 | Maldivia | if it's a buff, then you can detect magic, and parse the tooltip |
| 22:56.04 | Cide | spell.dbc, on the other hand, has cooldown, damage range, mana cost, duration, you name it |
| 22:56.05 | Legorol | so that means that a player should know no more than that, |
| 22:56.09 | Legorol | apart from his personal experience |
| 22:56.15 | Maldivia | but a lot of mob buffs doesn't show that it actually does |
| 22:56.20 | Legorol | ok, so we got to the point i was trying to get to |
| 22:56.39 | Legorol | datamining Spell.dbc thus gives additional information to a player that is otherwise only available to him via experience and observation |
| 22:56.54 | Kirkburn | Welcome to the WoWGuru Wiki, where you can spoil upcoming experiences for everyone =P |
| 22:56.56 | Cide | I would say that's correct |
| 22:57.08 | Legorol | all right, so why do you still do it ;-) |
| 22:57.21 | Cide | the reason I had to use it |
| 22:57.32 | Cide | was because itemcache.wdb contains every item you can find using GetItemInfo |
| 22:57.41 | Legorol | Kirkburn: i never approved of wowguru's datamining, in fact i was always an avid anti-supporter of wowguru |
| 22:57.47 | Cide | and it's a lot faster to upload and scan that file than collecting all that info, storing and parsing savedvariables |
| 22:57.59 | Legorol | ok |
| 22:58.17 | Legorol | so in other words, you are not using it for anything other than data that would be available via a tooltip anyway |
| 22:58.22 | Maldivia | Legorol: hehe, wowguru isn't datamining, they are using the exact same methods as thott, allaphazam, curse and CT |
| 22:58.28 | Cide | correct |
| 22:58.34 | Iriel | Maldivia : I'm not sure that's true |
| 22:58.42 | Iriel | Maldivia : Based on conversations zeeg has had here in channel |
| 22:58.47 | Legorol | Maldivia: then how could guru show models of items from test realm that didn't even drop yet ;-) |
| 22:58.50 | Cide | oh, zeeg datamined for sure |
| 22:58.57 | Legorol | definitely |
| 22:59.12 | Cide | I'm not sure if parsing itemcache.wdb/dbc files classify as datamining, depends on how loose you want to define the term |
| 22:59.22 | Kirkburn | afaik, the other sites only player submissions |
| 22:59.27 | Legorol | i beleive that i remember Blizzard saying that it's a no-no |
| 22:59.28 | Kirkburn | *only use |
| 22:59.35 | Legorol | but i am not 100% sure, and i woudln't be able to point you to a thread |
| 22:59.47 | Legorol | it might just be in the EULA/ToU |
| 22:59.48 | Maldivia | Legorol: because they did drop on the test realm, or rather were loaded on the server, and someone uploaded their itemcache file to wowguru |
| 22:59.58 | Legorol | nope, Maldivia |
| 23:00.04 | Legorol | zeeg explicitly mined client files for stuff |
| 23:00.07 | cladhaire | Maldivia: Not correct =) |
| 23:00.09 | Legorol | he said so himself |
| 23:00.24 | Legorol | in fact he got banned from the forums for posting items that didn't drop yet |
| 23:00.30 | Maldivia | cladhaire: you can't get information about otems that's not loaded on the server, period! |
| 23:00.51 | Kirkburn | How have people got the Atiesh info then? |
| 23:00.52 | Tain | I don't know what he did or didn't do, but I wouldn't take the fact that zeeg said something as proof that it was true. |
| 23:01.00 | Legorol | lol that's true, Tain |
| 23:01.07 | Maldivia | cladhaire: and GMs on the test server have had a history of spawning boss drops, hence people get a hold of the links, and they are uploaded |
| 23:01.08 | Kirkburn | No-one could have formed Ateish, yet the info is out there ... |
| 23:01.31 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: E3 info |
| 23:01.33 | cladhaire | He claimed in here specifically that he was mining.. not using cache info. |
| 23:01.42 | cladhaire | thats all i can speak to |
| 23:01.57 | Kirkburn | The screenshots I've seen are from datamining |
| 23:02.07 | Kirkburn | Black background, proper screenshot |
| 23:02.14 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: and what's your definition of datamining ? |
| 23:02.47 | Maldivia | is trying /script GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("item:24000:0:0:0") datamining? |
| 23:02.47 | cladhaire | getting informatino from non-cache sources personally |
| 23:02.50 | Kirkburn | I didn't actually mean to use the word then, I meant to say they're not in-game shots |
| 23:03.06 | cladhaire | Maldivia: It was when it returned items that hadn't been seen. |
| 23:03.10 | cladhaire | now its restricted. |
| 23:03.14 | Legorol | Maldivia: I would say yes, that's why the server disconnects you |
| 23:03.20 | Maldivia | cladhaire: it NEVER returned unseen items |
| 23:03.30 | Legorol | but it didn't used to disconnect you |
| 23:03.31 | cladhaire | Maldivia: Calm down.. I'm not here fighting you |
| 23:03.34 | cladhaire | I meant what Legorol siad. |
| 23:03.40 | Maldivia | cladhaire: it was just to emphisise |
| 23:03.44 | cladhaire | its okay |
| 23:04.02 | cladhaire | I'm only saying what I've heard fromt he horses mouth =) |
| 23:04.07 | cladhaire | whats that means, I dont know. |
| 23:04.17 | Legorol | Cide: not as if my opinion matters in the least, but as long as you are only using cache files to ease your burden and are not obtaining data that would otherwise be not available in game, then I think what ou are doing is morally justifiable |
| 23:04.23 | Kirkburn | how did someone make this: http://xemcat.net/ti/images/atiesh.jpg |
| 23:05.03 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: /script GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("item:24000:0:0:0") -- insert the right IDs |
| 23:05.39 | Maldivia | and once you get one of the quests, they items are loaded and fetched to your local cache, since they are a part of the quest information |
| 23:05.53 | Kirkburn | The last one couldn't have been |
| 23:06.45 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: well, then some QA have tested the quest, and people have got a hold of the ID, and loaded it to their cache |
| 23:08.08 | Kirkburn | Btw, check the Use: info on the formed staff :P |
| 23:08.51 | Kirkburn | That Titan, he gets everywhere |
| 23:09.04 | Maldivia | yeah, saw it... drool... hope he's not a wuss like Thunderaan |
| 23:09.27 | Maldivia | I'm guessing we have to fight :) |
| 23:09.50 | Kirkburn | I'd be shocked if it really is Sargeras :/ Him being, er, the final boss guy |
| 23:10.15 | Maldivia | it's only a taint... |
| 23:10.27 | Kirkburn | Aye, some kind of weak avatar thing, most likely |
| 23:10.41 | Maldivia | weak... in the strong meaning |
| 23:10.58 | Kirkburn | Like Ragnaros, C'Thun .... |
| 23:11.13 | zenzelezz | weak as in not invincible? |
| 23:11.34 | Maldivia | well, probably not a heavily scripted boss encounter |
| 23:11.52 | Kirkburn | Wonder how long until whatever it is comes to pass |
| 23:12.42 | Kirkburn | It's gonna be a while before Kel'thuzad goes deady |
| 23:13.12 | Maldivia | 3 months before a hotfix... |
| 23:14.01 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | hehe |
| 23:14.14 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:14.16 | Maldivia | hmm... http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/JaxWarrior08/untitled.jpg ? |
| 23:14.37 | Kirkburn | Yay, the invasion |
| 23:14.49 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | That's a photoshop Maldivia |
| 23:14.53 | Kirkburn | It really is for all levels |
| 23:15.03 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | Saw the exact same number but on a warrior... |
| 23:15.05 | Kirkburn | Oh riiight |
| 23:15.51 | Maldivia | well, unless they buffed rogues, I would think it was photoshopped :) |
| 23:16.00 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | :D |
| 23:16.15 | Kirkburn | He doesn't use many abilities, that rogue |
| 23:16.53 | Maldivia | if rogues got that buff, we would see an outcry on the rogue forums... |
| 23:17.36 | Maldivia | Your ambush crits for 18565. -- Big Mean Boss crits you 7603. -- You have died. |
| 23:17.58 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | lol |
| 23:18.19 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | We'll have post on the rogue forums such as "NERF US!!" |
| 23:18.38 | Kirkburn | suuuuure |
| 23:18.51 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | hehe |
| 23:19.15 | Shouryuu|Insane^ | well night folks |
| 23:19.18 | Kirkburn | I'm pretty sure, following that forum, rogues are on a par with Rabbit critters now |
| 23:20.01 | Kirkburn | And they couldn't hide from a blind, deaf, mute paraplegic |
| 23:25.52 | Miravlix | Critters resist level 60's |
| 23:26.05 | Miravlix | Even dodge them, so that sounds like rogues |
| 23:26.44 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 23:27.06 | Maldivia | I was playing with my new Pig polymorph, ran out of IF, found the first mob, a Level 1 Rabbit... casts Polymorph: Pig... Resisted... |
| 23:27.07 | Maldivia | arghh |
| 23:27.42 | zenzelezz | I think a rabbit resisted my Taunt when I was trying a macro too |
| 23:30.44 | Maldivia | anyway, time to go to bed. |
| 23:36.45 | Kirkburn | Wow, this page is packed with useful info: http://www.wowwiki.com/List_of_Exodar_NPCs :) |
| 23:39.23 | Cide | "None known, although it likely that Exodar will have one or more of each of the current merchant types:" |
| 23:39.23 | Cide | ... |
| 23:39.53 | grimman | Wow... useful info ftw. ;P |
| 23:40.23 | grimman | I'm more interested in knowing what the new mounts will be and if I'm gonna have to grind for yet another cross-faction mount. |
| 23:42.16 | zenzelezz | don't worry, you'll just have to reach Exalted with all the Steamwheedle Cartel factions (by turning in Mooncloth) |
| 23:42.59 | grimman | *cringe* |
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| 23:43.31 | ckknight | do we know what the Draenei's mounts are? |
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| 23:44.42 | grimman | It's not on the wiki anyway. |
| 23:46.00 | Corrodias | bunny rabbits |
| 23:46.19 | grimman | Nah, that was the intended gnome mount. ;P |
| 23:46.25 | Corrodias | the epic mounts have pretty golden pony saddles! |
| 23:46.41 | zenzelezz | with sharp pointy teeth =E |
| 23:46.47 | Cairenn | I've heard a rumour, no idea if it's right or not though |
| 23:47.01 | danonlinedotnet | No, the gnome epic mount was supposed to be repeated puntings. |
| 23:48.06 | Corrodias | I heard a rumor // They say you got a broken heart. |
| 23:48.26 | Corrodias | maybe they morph into a little ball and roll around. WHEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 23:49.07 | grimman | Cairenn: Are you gonna keep talking or what? ;) |
| 23:49.17 | Cairenn | nope |
| 23:49.28 | grimman | Hrmpf. |
| 23:49.36 | danonlinedotnet | :( |
| 23:50.16 | Tain | I heard Draenei's mounts are Zheva |
| 23:50.55 | zenzelezz | I keep rewatching this Molten Core movie (apparently) by some Ascent guild... not because it's particularly great in itself, but the music is just plain awesome... and I have no clue whatsoever what the name of the songs/artist is >.< |
| 23:51.13 | grimman | URL? |
| 23:51.33 | danonlinedotnet | BTW, would this be the right place to ask a macro question, or do I go somewhere else for that? |
| 23:51.45 | zenzelezz | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=14453 |
| 23:52.06 | Corrodias | it's the perfect place |
| 23:52.14 | danonlinedotnet | Sweetness. |
| 23:52.28 | Corrodias | except that we all hate you now! GTFO! |
| 23:52.32 | Corrodias | nah, i'm kidding, you're great |
| 23:52.36 | danonlinedotnet | :(): |
| 23:52.42 | grimman | Ugh, so large... |
| 23:52.45 | danonlinedotnet | ^Moodswing smilies^, or something |
| 23:52.52 | grimman | My shoddy connection won't let me watch that movie until tomorrow. |
| 23:53.34 | danonlinedotnet | Anywho, a macro's button uses the first command in the macro to display range, cooldown, etc. |
| 23:53.48 | Iriel | The first cast command, yes |
| 23:53.53 | danonlinedotnet | Right. |
| 23:55.09 | danonlinedotnet | I have a macro that I'd like to display something else. In this thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-warlock&t=905421&p=1&tmp=1#post905421 , one of the macros has its first line as " /script --CastSpellByName("FelDomination"); " with a note that this makes the UI display FelDomination's cooldown. |
| 23:55.13 | Miravlix | You can do /script Something -- CastSpellByName("Spell") |
| 23:55.25 | danonlinedotnet | That's what I was wondering about. |
| 23:55.30 | Miravlix | and it will use the comment if Something isn't a CastSpellByName |
| 23:55.47 | Iriel | It's looking for the first /cast line, or the first CastSpellByName |
| 23:55.49 | danonlinedotnet | So is that a bug/unintended feature of the parser, or what? |
| 23:56.03 | Iriel | It's an expected and useful feature |
| 23:56.04 | danonlinedotnet | I'm just kinda curious because I don't actually see this documented anywhere. |
| 23:56.05 | zenzelezz | I'd say intended |
| 23:56.07 | Iriel | it's not unitended at all |
| 23:56.10 | danonlinedotnet | Ok. |
| 23:56.15 | Iriel | Slouken described it as valid syntax when he added the feature |
| 23:56.20 | danonlinedotnet | Ah, Ok. |
| 23:56.28 | zenzelezz | would be interesting to see the code behind it if it had been unintended/unexpected :) |
| 23:56.29 | Iriel | The parser is fairly simple |
| 23:56.40 | Iriel | I think it's just doing string or pattern matches |
| 23:56.45 | Iriel | it doesn't do any deep analysis of the macro |
| 23:57.01 | danonlinedotnet | I guess that would make sense, because it has to run in a pretty tight loop. |
| 23:57.17 | danonlinedotnet | Of course I guess it would probably cache its results.... |
| 23:57.21 | danonlinedotnet | Anyway, thank you |
| 23:57.36 | danonlinedotnet | Is this documented on WoWWiki somewhere or should I add it? |
| 23:57.56 | danonlinedotnet | I coudnl't find it, but I also wasn't sure what to search for. |
| 23:58.33 | Miravlix | IEF with Addon Debug output support. Rawr. |
| 23:58.47 | danonlinedotnet | "IEF"? |
| 23:58.55 | Miravlix | ImprovedErrorFrame |
| 23:58.57 | danonlinedotnet | Ah. |
| 23:59.06 | Iriel | Check the sticky FAQ threads in the forum |
| 23:59.08 | Iriel | I think it's documented there |
| 23:59.14 | danonlinedotnet | Ok, will do. |
| 23:59.24 | danonlinedotnet | Thank you! |
| 23:59.26 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, regarding that rumour ... did you like what you heard? (that's all I'm gonna ask) |
| 23:59.36 | Iriel | Not that you need it documented now, because you know now 8-) |
| 23:59.41 | Miravlix | Just updated it to allow for sending DEBUG from addons to it's list so users can copy/paste it to us when they test errors |
