| 00:02.30 | Miravlix | I hate the net sometimes, to many criminal things is just not dealt with. Posting about a web site slandering it, is something you could take to a court of law. |
| 00:03.45 | AnduinLothar | you use titan mira? |
| 00:04.04 | Miravlix | My own homehacked version |
| 00:05.18 | Tem | ugh |
| 00:05.26 | Tem | I appear to be in billing purgatory |
| 00:05.34 | Tem | Cairenn: you mind making a post for me? |
| 00:05.40 | Cairenn | okay |
| 00:05.44 | AnduinLothar | ok, wanna check the latest wardrobe and try to see where exactly the titan error happens? it's from Wardrobe.colorToString being passed a nil, prolly from Wardrobe.GetListOfOutfits |
| 00:06.00 | Miravlix | Sure |
| 00:06.04 | AnduinLothar | but that means outfit.ButtonColor is not nil |
| 00:06.07 | Cairenn | pm me the details Tem |
| 00:06.09 | AnduinLothar | but not in one of the tables |
| 00:06.17 | AnduinLothar | oh wait... |
| 00:06.23 | Miravlix | Though I'm taking 20 minutes to reload at the moment. |
| 00:06.37 | AnduinLothar | scartch that... I know what it is, just had to spell it out for myself |
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| 00:07.00 | AnduinLothar | WARDROBE_UNAVAILIBLECOLOR is a table, but not a 2d one like the others |
| 00:07.15 | AnduinLothar | funny i never ran into that problrm |
| 00:08.11 | Miravlix | WoW takes a bazillion seconds to save savedvariables and if I kill it, it dies in the middle of saving the files |
| 00:08.30 | Maldivia | Miravlix: on test ? |
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| 00:08.45 | Miravlix | Naah live |
| 00:09.54 | Miravlix | So I can either wait 10-20 mins for it to save or I can restore from backup. :/ |
| 00:11.09 | Maldivia | I'm having some memory leak problems no PTR, thought it might be the same you were experiencing |
| 00:11.37 | Miravlix | Hmm PTR seems to use way less memory than live for me |
| 00:11.56 | Miravlix | 800 MB live client, 400 MB PTR client |
| 00:12.13 | cladhaire | cause the original mpq's aren't copied over |
| 00:12.15 | cladhaire | it uses those files |
| 00:12.22 | cladhaire | and just copies the patch and patch2.mpq afaik |
| 00:13.11 | cladhaire | i could also be completely wrong. |
| 00:14.48 | Miravlix | My WoW Test folder is 2 GB |
| 00:15.25 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 00:15.30 | Miravlix | And my WoW (including test) is 7.xx GB so maybe WoWTest isn't a full copy |
| 00:15.34 | cladhaire | my data folders are both 5.1 gig |
| 00:16.28 | grimman | Hm... my WoWtest was like 5.2 gig. |
| 00:17.11 | Miravlix | WoWTest 1.93 GB |
| 00:17.24 | cladhaire | Interesting. |
| 00:17.37 | Miravlix | WoW Data 5,06 GB |
| 00:18.11 | Miravlix | You do erase WoWTest every now and then? |
| 00:18.14 | Maldivia | when I installed PTR, it copied all the mpq files from live install |
| 00:18.21 | Miravlix | Mine is a fresh directory for this PTR |
| 00:18.25 | Maldivia | same |
| 00:18.41 | cladhaire | Same |
| 00:18.44 | Maldivia | and the installer copied the WoW\Data files to WoW\WoWTest\Data |
| 00:18.48 | cladhaire | My live and PTR client are the same size. |
| 00:19.05 | grimman | Haven't been on test in ages. |
| 00:19.06 | cladhaire | Maldivia: Aye.. it previously didnt.. but they changed that when they moved to the new patcher |
| 00:19.13 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 00:19.22 | grimman | I installed this test client but never logged on since I wasn't able to get a char copy. |
| 00:19.33 | Maldivia | up to 0.10.2, it only has the patch files in wowtest\data |
| 00:19.40 | Miravlix | I just use a level 1 char to test |
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| 00:23.29 | grimman | I was on to test content. ;P |
| 00:23.48 | grimman | Well... that was my intent anyway. |
| 00:23.54 | grimman | I wasn't on, that was a lie. |
| 00:23.54 | grimman | ;D |
| 00:25.06 | Miravlix | Only content I test, is API changes. |
| 00:25.14 | grimman | =) |
| 00:26.07 | grimman | Any notable changes this time around? |
| 00:26.21 | Miravlix | Earth broke so some XML changes |
| 00:26.58 | Miravlix | Some change to drop down menues, but only Earth and MapNotes seem effected in my addons. |
| 00:27.31 | AnduinLothar | it was mostly just a Button text change |
| 00:27.41 | Miravlix | Oh yeah a big change in XML is how it deals with duplicate names |
| 00:27.50 | Miravlix | It broke ShardTracker |
| 00:28.24 | AnduinLothar | with the advent of Font types the button text has been make one FontString with highlight, dissabled and enabled fonts |
| 00:28.33 | AnduinLothar | as oppossed to 3 sepperate FontStrings |
| 00:28.34 | Miravlix | Now it's ALWAYS the first addon to register a name that keeps it. |
| 00:29.42 | grimman | Well if people just take other people into consideration it shouldn't be a problem, right? |
| 00:29.50 | Miravlix | Event on zoning is down to my addons OnEvent handlers get called 455 times, where they in 1.10 get called over 20K times |
| 00:30.29 | grimman | =) |
| 00:30.29 | AnduinLothar | ya, dude the zonign across continents is vastly improved |
| 00:30.45 | AnduinLothar | i had like a full minute after zoning before the ship stopped moving |
| 00:31.17 | AnduinLothar | as oppossed to always loading right before it started moving agian |
| 00:32.16 | Miravlix | Though 450 times is still nonsense |
| 00:33.18 | grimman | It sounds like alot. |
| 00:33.22 | Miravlix | There is no bloody reason for calling OnEvent handlers 450 times on zoning, but I would have to do a Chronos.Schedule(2, WakeMeUp() ) on PeW to avoid the last few addons |
| 00:33.46 | Miravlix | last few events, even |
| 00:34.10 | Miravlix | I'm wondering if Slouken is planning to handle the last pointless calls |
| 00:34.35 | Miravlix | It still does a INVENTORY_ALERTS update |
| 00:34.46 | grimman | What's that one about? |
| 00:34.49 | Miravlix | And QuestLogFrame still generates a bazillion events |
| 00:34.53 | grimman | Watching a movie, CBA to look it up. |
| 00:35.18 | Miravlix | I don't recall what triggers the ALERT one |
| 00:36.05 | grimman | "Items being stolen, alert, alert!" |
| 00:38.34 | grimman | Can't really see why there needs to be any sort of inventory events thrown. |
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| 00:39.06 | JoshBorke | hrm, ctra doesn't check symbol of kings in rareg :-( |
| 00:44.18 | Wobin | The Staff of Kings! |
| 00:44.27 | Wobin | You ASTOUND me, my friend! |
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| 00:46.43 | Shouryuu|Crazy | eeek can't sleep |
| 00:46.53 | Tain | Clowns will eat you |
| 00:47.00 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Oh Noez! |
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| 00:49.35 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Ok the choices at hand... Watch a movie or lie in bed with my eyes closed hoping: 1) I fall asleep 2) I pass out 3) God smites me and I pass out |
| 00:50.16 | Shouryuu|Crazy | The movie sounds most tempting but alas it's the option where I'll get the less sleep... |
| 00:50.17 | ckknight | in those cases, I meditate, thus forcing myself into a delta state |
| 00:50.34 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Delta state... sounds promising! |
| 00:50.58 | Tain | Just don't get any of that beta sleep! It'll crash on you! |
| 00:51.07 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 00:51.21 | ckknight | beta isn't sleep |
| 00:51.24 | ckknight | you're in beta now. |
| 00:51.40 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Movie it is then |
| 00:51.45 | Tain | Quiet you, reality has no place in jokes. |
| 00:51.46 | ckknight | good times |
| 00:52.00 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 00:52.27 | Tain | I'd hold out for the smiting. |
| 00:52.51 | Shouryuu|Crazy | "Blessed are the cheesmakers!" |
| 00:52.59 | Tain | mmm cheese |
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| 01:45.34 | Kaelten | ello |
| 01:46.26 | Cairenn | hi Kaelten |
| 01:46.42 | Kaelten | hey Cairenn |
| 01:46.48 | Cairenn | how goes? |
| 01:47.04 | Shouryuu|Crazy | rawr out |
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| 01:47.32 | Kaelten | it goes |
| 01:48.09 | Cairenn | better than the alternative |
| 01:48.31 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 01:48.34 | Kaelten | ain't that the truth |
| 01:57.29 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 01:57.39 | AnduinLothar | busy week |
| 01:57.46 | AnduinLothar | all sorts of crazy rl stuff |
| 01:57.48 | AnduinLothar | weird |
| 01:57.53 | AnduinLothar | it all happens in bursts |
| 01:58.33 | AnduinLothar | bored out of my mind with school for few months and then suddenly i get really busy and have a social life and money making opportunities |
| 02:09.31 | AnduinLothar | Embeddable Chronos: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-594-1-chronos.html |
| 02:19.18 | AnduinLothar | fixed wardrobe: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-3040-1-wardrobeal.html |
| 02:35.00 | Miravlix | Thats darn nice, made most of Cosmos have stand alone embeddable solutions, without having to bring the overhead into Cosmos |
| 02:36.15 | Miravlix | I wish, I was a better XML programmer, I would make a Embedable single menu Khaos |
| 02:37.17 | Miravlix | It wouldn't have settings templates, addon handler or the addon menu, but it would directly support bringing up the configuration menu for a single addon. |
| 02:37.52 | Miravlix | And when full Khaos was on the system, it would just silently not load the mini version and the addon would intergrate into the full Khaos |
| 02:39.28 | Wobin | If you want to dabble in XML there's the WoW UI designer |
| 02:39.48 | Wobin | I'm not sure how 'clean' the xml it produces is, but it will at least give you a good idea on where to start etc |
| 02:39.51 | Miravlix | Actually, when 1.11 goes live I would CreateFrame it all |
| 02:40.04 | Wobin | I find that a whole lot easier =) |
| 02:40.16 | Wobin | XML is just a headache =P |
| 02:40.18 | AnduinLothar | I can have iriel convert it all to IVF format and then get that working and you can trim it from there |
| 02:42.26 | Miravlix | except I have to finish my current projects first, Khaos works well now, PQ, ShardTracker and stuff still need a bit more love. |
| 02:44.20 | Miravlix | KhaosMini, KhaosPanel so many ideas, so little time. |
| 02:45.13 | Miravlix | -- Joining and leaving the Party channel, like the leader get randomly changed. |
| 02:45.36 | Miravlix | Does Sky still join and leave the party channel without the leader changing? |
| 02:49.06 | Miravlix | Baah, I want to code, but since I can't reload or restart it is pretty hard. |
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| 03:06.25 | AnduinLothar | shouldn't |
| 03:06.38 | AnduinLothar | but sky doesn't actually join it.. |
| 03:07.12 | Miravlix | Does PQ join it? |
| 03:07.28 | AnduinLothar | anything that uses it has to join it manually |
| 03:08.19 | kremonte | bah, why wont guild creation work |
| 03:09.20 | Cairenn | what won't work about it? |
| 03:09.52 | kremonte | i click "Register a Guild Charter" and nothing happens |
| 03:10.03 | kremonte | everything else works. button just doesnt want to work |
| 03:10.13 | Cairenn | make sure it's in the top left corner of your starting backpack |
| 03:10.36 | Cairenn | if it's anywhere else, it won't work, for whatever reason |
| 03:10.39 | kremonte | o_O |
| 03:10.41 | kremonte | it worked! |
| 03:10.45 | Cairenn | yup |
| 03:11.01 | Cairenn | weirdest thing |
| 04:25.31 | Kaelten | Making humans edit XML is masochistic! |
| 04:25.42 | Kaelten | now thats a quote I'm gonna keep |
| 04:29.59 | ckknight | hey Cairenn |
| 04:30.04 | Cairenn | yo? |
| 04:30.06 | ckknight | what was that immigration link you put up? |
| 04:30.11 | ckknight | I want to send it to my mom |
| 04:30.27 | Cairenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhEl6HdfqWM&dpos=1 |
| 04:31.17 | ckknight | good stuff |
| 04:31.21 | ckknight | pretty funny, btw |
| 04:32.39 | Cairenn | I find it hilarious, and pathetically sad, at the exact same time, so .... |
| 04:34.11 | ckknight | yea |
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| 05:34.05 | AnduinLothar | zomg, LB shoulders and Obsidion edge blade within 10 min |
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| 07:08.16 | Esamynn | Evening all |
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| 07:11.47 | Iriel | evening |
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| 07:12.34 | Esamynn | hey Iriel, mind authorizing an upload on WowI for me? |
| 07:21.19 | Iriel | sure |
| 07:24.16 | Esamynn | much appreciated :) |
| 07:25.15 | Iriel | my pleasure |
| 07:32.20 | Miravlix | 244 script errors onload, thats a record for me |
| 07:32.40 | Esamynn | sigh, I should really get around to updating the UI version number on some of my WoWI addons, ahh well, not tonight |
| 07:33.05 | Esamynn | Miravlix: care to elaborate? |
| 07:33.45 | Miravlix | Improving on Earth, it really goes nuts when you make errors. :) |
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| 07:34.02 | Esamynn | lol |
| 07:34.16 | Esamynn | well good night all |
| 07:38.12 | Miravlix | Duh, waist of time, Earth TestServer 1.11 is updated, I should wait until after 1.11 to modify Alpha. |
| 07:44.41 | Iriel | Night all |
| 07:44.49 | [Wobin] | Night Iriel |
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| 10:27.11 | Miravlix_ | Hmm, I should develope a timetolive/cache library |
| 10:28.37 | Miravlix_ | If it's possible to make it general that is. |
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| 11:04.23 | Kaso | :< auto-loot doesnt use isShiftkeyDown, darnit1 |
| 11:26.20 | Kaso | is it possible to hook ChatFrame1.AddMessage without speicfiy a partiular Frame? |
| 11:35.53 | krka|work | you could loop through all frames in the game and check if it's a chat frame |
| 11:36.31 | Kaso | But its not possible to get all of the ChatFrames with one Uber hook then? |
| 11:48.09 | krka|work | could modify the metatable i suppose |
| 11:52.48 | Kaso | ive seen that word a bit, ive no idea what it means, it fills me with terror, ill take thats a no :> |
| 11:53.00 | Miravlix_ | Can you make self referancing tables in Lua? |
| 11:53.29 | Miravlix_ | test = { value1 = 10, value2 = test.value1 * 2 } |
| 11:54.11 | Miravlix_ | Baah no fun |
| 11:54.20 | krka|work | test = { value1 = 10} test.value2 = test.value1 * 2 |
| 11:54.36 | Miravlix_ | Yeah but it's harder to write. :) |
| 11:56.15 | Miravlix_ | Making a time keeping library for handling caching and decaying savedvariables data |
| 12:00.06 | krka|work | and refreshing / flushing? |
| 12:00.37 | Miravlix_ | This is just the time keeping library, how you use it, is upto you. |
| 12:02.16 | Miravlix_ | I'm going to use it for PartyQuests Quest cache primarly. |
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| 13:07.14 | Legorol | someone tell me i have this wrong... in 1.10, the special FontString associated with an EditBox is not accessible from Lua? |
| 13:07.20 | Legorol | even if i give it a name= attrib |
| 13:07.40 | Maldivia | EditBox:GetFontObject() ? |
| 13:09.38 | Legorol | no, i don't mean the font, i mean the fontstring |
| 13:09.52 | Legorol | unless the Font also has a nonspacewrap property |
| 13:11.17 | Maldivia | hmm |
| 13:20.47 | Legorol | This has got to be a known issue.. |
| 13:20.57 | Legorol | how do I get an EditBox to wrap overly long texts with no spaces |
| 13:23.33 | krka|work | had the same problem |
| 13:23.37 | krka|work | no fix found |
| 13:25.15 | Maldivia | Will it even be possible in 1.11? |
| 13:25.26 | Maldivia | if not, now's the time to push it :) |
| 13:28.51 | Miravlix | How do you do year % 4 in lua? |
| 13:31.25 | Legorol | math.mod |
| 13:31.45 | krka|work | while year > 3 do year = year - 4 end |
| 13:31.51 | Legorol | lol krka |
| 13:32.06 | Legorol | damn, stupid LOS |
| 13:32.07 | MoonWolf | ~lart krka|work |
| 13:32.28 | Legorol | can someone clue me up as to what's in Spells.dbc? |
| 13:32.33 | Legorol | and why is it such a popular file to poke? |
| 13:32.36 | MoonWolf | eeeuh |
| 13:32.38 | MoonWolf | spells ? |
| 13:32.52 | Legorol | what thing about the spells is in it? |
| 13:33.00 | MoonWolf | not clue |
| 13:33.13 | MoonWolf | not a clue* |
| 13:33.28 | Legorol | krka|work: thanks for the EditBox comment |
| 13:33.41 | krka|work | wasn't very informative :P |
| 13:33.50 | Legorol | it was, saves me the next 2 hours :) |
| 13:33.54 | Legorol | i won't try to find a solution in that case |
| 13:34.47 | krka|work | i can't say i looked very hard for a solution |
| 13:35.31 | Legorol | based on Iriel's 1.11 changes thread, there doesn't appear to be anything to help us there either |
| 13:35.45 | Miravlix | Whats the English word for the %? |
| 13:35.55 | Legorol | percentage |
| 13:35.59 | Maldivia | percentage? |
| 13:36.07 | Maldivia | grr... |
| 13:36.11 | Legorol | or do you mean the arithmetic operation? modulo |
| 13:36.16 | Legorol | or somesuch |
| 13:36.23 | krka|work | or remainder |
| 13:36.29 | Legorol | lol, that's the one :) |
| 13:36.54 | Miravlix | Okay, now I just need to find the real leapyear forumula |
| 13:37.11 | Miravlix | This one only does half the calculation the mod 4 part |
| 13:38.04 | Maldivia | every 4th year, but not every 100th year, but every 400th year |
| 13:38.08 | Legorol | it's: leapyear if it's divisible by 4 but not by 100 but divisible by 400 |
| 13:38.11 | Legorol | damn! |
| 13:38.52 | Maldivia | if year % 400 == 0 or (year % 4 == 0 and year % 100 != 0) |
| 13:39.20 | Miravlix | Hehe, I was googling leapyear |
| 13:39.21 | Legorol | ehm.. that won't work, Maldivia |
| 13:39.41 | Legorol | because the one that's divisible by 400 is also divisible by 100 |
| 13:39.47 | Legorol | oh wait |
| 13:39.49 | Legorol | i misread it, lol |
| 13:39.56 | Legorol | nvm me |
| 13:39.57 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.57 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.57 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.12 | Legorol | Miravlix, that's exactly what both Maldivia and I said |
| 13:40.17 | Legorol | how about trusting us there ;-) |
| 13:40.45 | Miravlix | Yeah, but your confusing yourself, so I decided to quite some easier to read definition |
| 13:40.53 | Kaso | [Wrath of Cenarius] == mine ! |
| 13:40.58 | Maldivia | I'm not confused :) |
| 13:41.03 | Legorol | i was only confused over Maldivia's formula, not the concept |
| 13:41.10 | Legorol | oth, i don't mind you doublechecking, i was only joking |
| 13:41.16 | Legorol | external verification is a good thing |
| 13:41.37 | Kirkburn | What's a leap year? :) |
| 13:41.44 | Legorol | one that has 29th February |
| 13:41.47 | krka|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.54 | Legorol | lol krka |
| 13:42.02 | Legorol | in that case you'd have to kick me too |
| 13:42.04 | Legorol | i always doubt myself |
| 13:42.42 | Maldivia | Legorol: no no, correct answer: a leap year is a year with a leap day... :) |
| 13:42.51 | Legorol | *sigh* |
| 13:42.55 | Miravlix | if math.mod(year, 400) =0 0 or math.mod(year, 4) == 0 and not math.mod(year, 100) == 0 then |
| 13:43.25 | Legorol | does "and" have higher precedence than "or"? |
| 13:43.28 | Legorol | (can never remember) |
| 13:43.32 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 13:43.42 | Maldivia | Miravlix: remember the parenthesis |
| 13:43.44 | Legorol | meh :/ use brackets please, makes code lot more readable |
| 13:43.57 | Legorol | but it's personal preference |
| 13:44.02 | Maldivia | if 400 or (4 and not 100) |
| 13:44.30 | Legorol | Maldivia, Miravlix's formula will work because of precedence rules, so technically there is no need for the parens |
| 13:44.35 | Legorol | but it's nice to have them nevertheless |
| 13:44.36 | Miravlix | No need to use them, it's just confusing using () when they are not needed |
| 13:44.38 | Maldivia | yeah, was just about to say that |
| 13:44.52 | Legorol | Miravlix: that is a very personal and subjective choice |
| 13:44.56 | Maldivia | I'll state just the opposite, not using peranthesis in this case is confusing |
| 13:44.58 | Legorol | I find it much easier to read code which has () in them |
| 13:45.01 | Miravlix | It's IMO better to learn precedence rules |
| 13:45.04 | Miravlix | Than realy on ()'s |
| 13:45.32 | krka|work | function isLeapyear(year) for i = 1, 12 do if month[i].days.length >= 29 then return true end end return false end |
| 13:45.36 | Legorol | i am a very visual type, and i rely on visual indicators (such as ()) to show me the structure of the code |
| 13:45.49 | Maldivia | krka|work: January always has 31 days... |
| 13:45.52 | Legorol | i find it lot slower to process words, especially if i have to apply precedence rules i always forget |
| 13:45.57 | Legorol | but as i said, this is very subjective |
| 13:46.06 | Maldivia | so does 5 other months :) |
| 13:46.23 | Kirkburn | What's a month? :) |
| 13:46.36 | Legorol | check wikipedia :p |
| 13:46.45 | Tain | Of course it's all flawed if you're not taking into account leap seconds! |
| 13:46.47 | Kirkburn | What's wikipedia? :) |
| 13:46.49 | krka|work | it's kinda like a moth, but different |
| 13:47.06 | MoonWolf | tain, suuuuuuure |
| 13:47.16 | Kirkburn | Aye, good point |
| 13:47.22 | Kirkburn | You can't forget leap seconds |
| 13:48.44 | Miravlix | http://www.webreference.com/js/column64/6.html |
| 13:48.59 | Miravlix | This is why teachers teach and those who code, code |
| 13:49.11 | Miravlix | A teacher that has a wrong leapyear calculator... |
| 13:49.37 | krka|work | just use a proper date library |
| 13:50.47 | Miravlix | No one has written one for Lua yet. :p |
| 13:51.31 | Kirkburn | Why do you want all this btw? |
| 13:51.43 | Legorol | bah, where's Iriel when you need him.. |
| 13:52.25 | krka|work | ooh... here's my implementation of leapyear: |
| 13:53.32 | Kirkburn | Mine ... 1. Look up 'leapyear' on teh nets. 2. Go outside and sunbathe, you've still got two years until it comes around. |
| 13:53.40 | krka|work | function isLeapYear(year) local t1 = os.time({year = year, month = 2, day=28}) local t2 = os.time({year = year, month = 3, day=1}) return t2 - t1 < 60*60*24*2 end |
| 13:53.58 | krka|work | not really that great, but the idea should work |
| 13:54.14 | Kirkburn | I'm sorry, but mine obviously pwns yours |
| 13:54.21 | krka|work | true :/ |
| 13:54.44 | Kirkburn | =P |
| 13:55.41 | krka|work | Legorol, what do you think? :) |
| 13:55.59 | krka|work | should be able to handle leap seconds and all that crap, assuming that os.time is well coded |
| 13:56.06 | krka|work | (should be using c functions) |
| 13:56.20 | Miravlix | We don't have os.time in WoW Lua so it sucks |
| 13:56.45 | Miravlix | month = 2 |
| 13:56.51 | Miravlix | Month = 3 Marts |
| 13:57.16 | krka|work | hm, i see |
| 13:57.17 | Maldivia | you don't know of krka has a os={} os.time = time |
| 13:57.18 | Maldivia | :) |
| 13:57.38 | krka|work | well, i don't :( |
| 13:58.11 | Miravlix | time = os.time, just an alias |
| 13:59.17 | Maldivia | krka: leap seconds are ignored in computer time :) |
| 13:59.53 | krka|work | hmm... ntp servers should compensate for it |
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| 14:02.20 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/739273 |
| 14:02.30 | Miravlix | The Time Lords Intergalactic BabelFish |
| 14:02.37 | Miravlix | TTLib |
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| 14:05.01 | Miravlix | Not working actually |
| 14:05.17 | krka|work | you should get rid of some math.mods |
| 14:05.19 | Miravlix | the order of some of the at load time functions is wrong |
| 14:05.44 | Miravlix | I have 3 |
| 14:06.25 | krka|work | you can do with two, i think |
| 14:07.08 | Maldivia | local mod=math.mod - and you save 2 global lookups and 2 table lookups :) |
| 14:08.34 | Miravlix | I don't plan on running these functions 100-200 times pr. frame |
| 14:09.30 | krka|work | no, _you_ don't :) |
| 14:09.33 | krka|work | but it's a lib |
| 14:09.33 | Miravlix | If I did, I would make all the functions local and export them |
| 14:09.45 | Miravlix | But then it can't be profiled |
| 14:10.06 | krka|work | btw you have a bug |
| 14:10.10 | krka|work | you reference months before you define it |
| 14:10.28 | Maldivia | where? |
| 14:10.33 | krka|work | also, it's a horrible name |
| 14:10.38 | krka|work | it should be called days |
| 14:11.12 | Maldivia | how is he referencing it, before it's defined? |
| 14:11.43 | Maldivia | ahh yeah |
| 14:11.56 | krka|work | a year later than the current year is not allowed? |
| 14:12.24 | Miravlix | Not in those functions |
| 14:12.25 | krka|work | you should check for non-integer values too |
| 14:12.26 | Maldivia | global lookup, later defines as local |
| 14:12.48 | Miravlix | It's time() - uservalue |
| 14:13.11 | Miravlix | I should actually check uservalue isn't higher than time() too |
| 14:13.15 | krka|work | that's for cache stuff? |
| 14:13.24 | krka|work | who caches for years? :/ |
| 14:13.37 | krka|work | and a cache shouldn't need to worry about leapyears at all |
| 14:13.54 | Miravlix | If something is worth doing, it's worth doing well. |
| 14:14.27 | krka|work | a cache should only use seconds |
| 14:14.31 | Miravlix | And I know many programming accidents that happens because of the 29th February |
| 14:14.42 | krka|work | this looks like a calendar library |
| 14:15.15 | Miravlix | if cache is older than value unit |
| 14:15.19 | Miravlix | It is a calendar |
| 14:15.30 | Miravlix | unit = year, month, day, whatever |
| 14:16.00 | krka|work | who would ever want to do cache for something other than a number of seconds? |
| 14:17.03 | Miravlix | Depends on the data |
| 14:17.15 | Miravlix | And your reason for removing them |
| 14:17.31 | Miravlix | Do you remove them because they can become invalid in X seconds? |
| 14:17.44 | Miravlix | Or are they staying valid for years |
| 14:17.59 | krka|work | who has a cache that lasts for more than even a day in wow? |
| 14:18.20 | Miravlix | It's both for cache and other Saved Data you would like a timer on |
| 14:18.29 | Miravlix | Auctioneer |
| 14:18.48 | Miravlix | Karma, MobInfo |
| 14:18.58 | Miravlix | Census addons |
| 14:19.19 | Miravlix | There is a million of them that has data that can be erased over really long periods of time |
| 14:21.57 | krka|work | if would use a cache library, i'd prefer it to be as fast as possible instead of being a date library |
| 14:22.34 | krka|work | i can't imagine why i would want a cache to last for 28 days sometimes and 31 days at some other time, depending on what month it currently is |
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| 14:23.45 | Ktron | bah, no clad|work atm... clad|work, if you see this, I need to catch you later, heh, have a question or two about the inner workings of PerfectRaid if you don't mind... Everyone else, take care |
| 14:25.01 | Maldivia | so the cache time is "hard coded", the addon that uses the lib can't decide? |
| 14:26.22 | Miravlix | You guys are weird |
| 14:27.44 | krka|work | i just don't get why the cache time should be different if it's currently march or february |
| 14:31.18 | Miravlix | The cache time wont be different because it's month this or month that |
| 14:31.30 | Miravlix | The cache is based on seconds since 1970 |
| 14:31.46 | Miravlix | And the difference between seconds since 1970 and current |
| 14:38.53 | Miravlix | The visually pleasing date view is for the users. |
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| 14:47.09 | krka|work | if it's currently february, and i call timediff with(value, "month"), i will get a different value than if it's currently march |
| 14:49.15 | Miravlix | So? |
| 14:49.24 | Kirkburn | I didn't know Lua was actually a word, not an acronym |
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| 14:49.48 | Kirkburn | I always pronounced it as L.U.A. in my head, not Loo-ah :) |
| 14:49.52 | Miravlix | for accuracy you would use the seconds |
| 14:51.01 | Beladona | I never thought of Lua as an acronym |
| 14:51.05 | Beladona | what did you think it stood for? |
| 14:51.36 | krka|work | so you spend a lot of time calculating a value that's ultimately pretty pointless |
| 14:52.21 | Miravlix | I spend no time calculateing the value, unlesss it's requested |
| 14:53.21 | krka|work | "my code is fast, if it's never called" |
| 14:54.18 | Miravlix | Huh, it's first freaking draft, I haven't bothered to optimize at all |
| 14:54.42 | krka|work | this isn't about optimizing, it's about designing |
| 14:54.47 | Kirkburn | Beladona, I'd never thought about it :) |
| 14:55.25 | Beladona | thats funny krka |
| 14:55.30 | Beladona | I like that |
| 14:55.39 | Miravlix | It does precisely what I designed it to do, after I worked the kinkcs out of the system |
| 14:55.40 | Beladona | "My code is very efficient, when you don't use it" |
| 14:55.42 | Beladona | hah |
| 14:56.05 | Miravlix | It's efficent when you use it |
| 14:56.14 | Miravlix | Even in it's current version |
| 14:56.32 | Beladona | you can always optimize |
| 14:56.42 | Beladona | faster is always better |
| 14:56.53 | Miravlix | Just because you think the world is better of in 0 and 1's doesn't mean it's a good idea |
| 14:57.13 | Beladona | I think I lost you |
| 14:57.31 | Beladona | get the code working -> spend time optimizing it |
| 14:57.33 | Beladona | thats how I do it |
| 14:57.49 | Beladona | and I periodically review past work to see if there are new optimizations that can be made |
| 14:57.50 | Miravlix | A cache library is useless without a good user interface |
| 14:58.07 | Miravlix | To create that your going to need some time functions |
| 14:58.38 | krka|work | no, a cache library will be used by developers, not end users |
| 14:58.45 | krka|work | just having it use seconds is enough |
| 14:59.03 | Beladona | let the developer decide how to display those seconds |
| 14:59.03 | Miravlix | And the dev is going to need to present dates to the end user |
| 14:59.11 | Beladona | in readable format, or not at all |
| 14:59.22 | Miravlix | So since it is a semi complicated thing I might as well write the time functions |
| 14:59.25 | Kirkburn | "Speed is of the essence" |
| 14:59.42 | Miravlix | They decide if they want or have a use for timediff |
| 14:59.44 | Beladona | if you want to provide ways to convert the seconds to different time formats, thats fine, but don't make it part of the main caching engine |
| 14:59.50 | Beladona | it is faster that way |
| 14:59.53 | Beladona | makes it more modular |
| 15:00.09 | Kirkburn | ckknight would approve :P |
| 15:00.20 | Miravlix | None of the code will do anything unless the dev calls it |
| 15:00.30 | Miravlix | It will take up a few K's of memory |
| 15:00.46 | Beladona | so you are doing what was suggested anyway |
| 15:01.01 | Miravlix | Beladona: What? |
| 15:01.05 | Miravlix | I'm not doing anything |
| 15:01.12 | Beladona | ... |
| 15:01.22 | Miravlix | I haven't written one line of the cache yet |
| 15:01.32 | Beladona | right |
| 15:02.11 | Beladona | you intend to write the cache methods, and the time functions as separate right? allowing the end user/develop to decide to use the time functions if they want to or not |
| 15:02.12 | Tain | If it's code that not everyone will call then split it out, no need to have it sitting there taking up memory if it doesn't get used! |
| 15:02.19 | Beladona | thats what people were suggesting |
| 15:03.16 | Beladona | I think most of us prefer libraries that do what is advertised, and nothing more. The screwdriver, rather than the swiss army knife |
| 15:03.30 | Beladona | at least specific libraries like that anyway |
| 15:04.02 | Beladona | I always rip out what I don't use or plan to use |
| 15:05.02 | Miravlix | I have 70+ addons that needs this Library, so my design goal is set in stone |
| 15:05.13 | krka|work | so... you write a date library, make a comment in the top about it being for caching, not actually have any cache code in it, and expect people to not be confused? :( |
| 15:05.49 | Miravlix | You can read the code and see there is no cache yet. |
| 15:06.08 | krka|work | i was assuming all the functions were helper functions for the cache |
| 15:07.48 | Miravlix | First you develope the user interface then make the code work with it. |
| 15:08.16 | Miravlix | Object Oriented Design, the object here is to make something for users. |
| 15:09.37 | Beladona | weird |
| 15:09.40 | Beladona | I do the opposite |
| 15:10.02 | Beladona | I make the code do what I want, then make an interface for the code |
| 15:10.07 | krka|work | me to |
| 15:10.28 | Miravlix | Your asking for trouble that way as I see it |
| 15:10.40 | Beladona | and that isn't the definition of Object Oriented design |
| 15:11.42 | Miravlix | And where did I say it was the definition? |
| 15:11.59 | Beladona | you just used it to describe your methods |
| 15:12.21 | Beladona | OO can be used to describe ours AND your method of design |
| 15:13.34 | Miravlix | I still don't see where I give ANY definition on OO |
| 15:13.52 | Miravlix | And definately don't see where I give THE definition of it |
| 15:14.03 | Beladona | apparently |
| 15:15.29 | Beladona | forget it, its not worth arguing over. You have your way of designing, and we have a different way. The point was that OO is not inherent to either |
| 15:15.47 | Beladona | hiya Cair |
| 15:15.52 | Cairenn | hey Bela |
| 15:15.59 | Miravlix | I just needed some date functions and though it might be usefull to someone |
| 15:16.02 | Miravlix | Sorry for sharing |
| 15:16.07 | Beladona | don't be sorry |
| 15:16.17 | Beladona | we were making suggestions, and thought you might like them |
| 15:16.29 | Beladona | both sides wanted to help the other |
| 15:16.38 | Beladona | all should be happy =) |
| 15:16.40 | Miravlix | I dont' need help |
| 15:16.51 | Kirkburn | Everyone is entitles to their own opinion of what everyone else's should be :P |
| 15:16.51 | Beladona | then why are you in this channel |
| 15:17.08 | MoonWolf | you dont need help, but feedback never hurt anybody. |
| 15:17.13 | krka|work | discussing is a one way process for Miravlix? |
| 15:17.17 | MoonWolf | the well forumulated kind anyway. |
| 15:17.29 | Beladona | not saying you can't be here, but we all give each other feedback |
| 15:17.35 | Beladona | its the way we do things |
| 15:17.56 | Beladona | it SHOULD be seen as a means to end up with more than you came in with |
| 15:18.04 | Miravlix | Because I thought my code could help others |
| 15:18.11 | Miravlix | But apparently it not welcome to share coede |
| 15:18.13 | Beladona | maybe it can |
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| 15:18.32 | Kirkburn | *sigh* |
| 15:18.35 | MoonWolf | eeeeuh oookaaay. |
| 15:18.36 | Beladona | ahh well |
| 15:19.13 | Kirkburn | Can deal it, but can't take it =) |
| 15:19.40 | Beladona | my philosophy is, there is always someone smarter than me |
| 15:19.51 | Beladona | and I will only glean the benefit of their knowledge if I am open to hearing it |
| 15:19.56 | Kirkburn | Aye |
| 15:20.02 | Beladona | guess he doesn't subscribe to that philosophy |
| 15:20.04 | krka|work | Beladona, i have the exact same philosophy! |
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| 15:20.43 | Shouryuu|Crazy | RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRawr |
| 15:20.45 | Kirkburn | Morning, Shouryuu|Crazy |
| 15:21.09 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I love France |
| 15:21.17 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Being able to drink a beer in a McDonald's is just... |
| 15:21.19 | Kirkburn | Strike? Riot? |
| 15:21.20 | Shouryuu|Crazy | teh best |
| 15:21.21 | krka|work | there's always someone smarter than Beladona |
| 15:21.22 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 15:22.57 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Damn ComicSansMS needs to come here some day |
| 15:23.08 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I need to ask him where he grabed that Haunted Audio book |
| 15:23.18 | zenzelezz | he does come here some days |
| 15:23.40 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Yeah but not when I'm on =( |
| 15:23.50 | Kirkburn | His name still makes me cry |
| 15:24.12 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 15:27.52 | Cairenn | so, um, should I ask what the heck that was all about? |
| 15:28.05 | Kirkburn | Bugger all, really |
| 15:30.05 | Tain | Beer and McDonalds? |
| 15:30.07 | Tain | That's just odd. |
| 15:30.22 | Tain | Someone has a bit of a persecution complex. |
| 15:30.25 | Kirkburn | Not for most european countries :/ |
| 15:30.51 | Tain | Odd because McDonalds is terrible food, I can't see how washing it down with a beer would help any. |
| 15:30.59 | Shouryuu|Crazy | hehe |
| 15:31.49 | Cairenn | little problem with your hypotheses there Tain |
| 15:32.44 | Tain | Actually the other thing is I can't help but view it through a US filter, so when I think beer at McDonalds I picture a guy in a John Deere cap ordering a Bud Light with his Big Mac. |
| 15:32.49 | Tain | And it gives me the willies. |
| 15:33.00 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 15:33.24 | Cairenn | You said that the stuff they serve at McDonald's is food. This is an incorrect statement. Thus, your conclusion is faulty. |
| 15:33.37 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 15:33.52 | Beladona | who said anything about washing down food |
| 15:33.55 | Tain | I remember having a big argument with a friend of mine in Toronto when we went to a McDonalds (I dont' know why we were there) when I told her the food tasted different. |
| 15:33.57 | Beladona | just get beer |
| 15:34.09 | Kirkburn | Who says the beer is any good? |
| 15:34.10 | Maldivia | and then there's the problem, with calling Bud Light beer... |
| 15:34.24 | Kirkburn | "Flavoured water" |
| 15:34.30 | Tain | She actually got sort of angry for some reason that I thought it tasted different than I was used to. |
| 15:34.50 | Beladona | did you mean different as in - better? |
| 15:35.11 | Tain | No, just different. I didn't even say better or worse. I was just making an observation that I thought was interesting. |
| 15:35.26 | Tain | But I was somehow insulting her national McDonalds pride by saying so. |
| 15:35.27 | Beladona | Bistro McDonalds aren't half bad |
| 15:35.33 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 15:35.43 | Tain | I've read about them, Beladona. But never seen one. |
| 15:35.47 | Beladona | but I don't eat at normal McDonalds |
| 15:35.58 | Kirkburn | They're *completely* bad, Beladona? |
| 15:36.07 | Beladona | cause I can just eat cardboard boxes at home for the same benefit |
| 15:36.07 | Maldivia | McDonalds in Denmark (perhaps other places aswell, no idea) currently have something they call Chicken Salsa... I actually like those :) |
| 15:36.27 | Tain | McDonalds for me is a very, very rare thing, generally just a couple of times a year after a long night of drinking. There's something I crave about it then for some godawful reason. |
| 15:36.40 | Beladona | no Bistro McDonalds are decent. But then they aren't really fast food so much as a regular restaurant |
| 15:36.52 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Well, I used to hate Mc Donald's, boycotted them for a whole year... But then I discovered the joys cooking and washing your dishes, homework and little time... And Mc D's aren't that bad anymore |
| 15:36.56 | Beladona | they still have the stupid employees though |
| 15:37.12 | Tain | You can go to any restaurant for the stupid employees. :) |
| 15:37.16 | Shouryuu|Crazy | hehe |
| 15:37.19 | Beladona | last time I ordered a turkey club and got something totally different |
| 15:38.06 | Tain | I really love eating out, there's something very appealing about a nice meal at a restaurant. |
| 15:38.08 | Beladona | granted it was noisy, and they may ahve thought I said turkey wrap, instead of club |
| 15:38.14 | Beladona | but whatever |
| 15:38.20 | Tain | But, I only trust them to a point. |
| 15:38.34 | Beladona | I eat out a lot |
| 15:38.47 | Beladona | we are still trying to use up the gift cards from christmas |
| 15:38.49 | Tain | As soon as I get something that isn't what I wanted the anxiety starts creeping in. Sure, I can send it back, but you dont' know what happens then. |
| 15:38.49 | Beladona | =P |
| 15:39.47 | Beladona | thats why you talk to a manager |
| 15:39.54 | Tain | I got so angry at a place that cooked me a very rare steak that I wanted (at the time, my tasted buds know better now) medium well. |
| 15:40.06 | Beladona | oh god |
| 15:40.13 | Beladona | I ALWAYS get medium well |
| 15:40.24 | Beladona | and its amazing how every place ha a different definition of that |
| 15:40.25 | Tain | Oh no! WAit! |
| 15:40.28 | Tain | I remember now. |
| 15:40.30 | Tain | It was a burger. |
| 15:40.37 | Tain | I'll always do burgers medium well. |
| 15:40.42 | Beladona | same here |
| 15:40.52 | Tain | Anyway they brought it back, seared up a little more, with my bite mark still taken out. |
| 15:40.56 | Cairenn | oh lord, you guys are NUTS |
| 15:40.59 | Beladona | once I had them take it back, they took the same burger, cooked it some more, and it was STILL pink |
| 15:41.24 | Cairenn | a steak, fine, don't have it well done, whatever ... a BURGER?! |
| 15:41.25 | Tain | I want my ground beef brown. |
| 15:41.39 | Cairenn | ummm, yah! |
| 15:41.40 | Beladona | well done for me is gray with no black |
| 15:41.56 | Beladona | err medium well I mean |
| 15:42.00 | Beladona | well done is some black |
| 15:42.01 | Tain | I only get steak at places I trust though, then it's medium. |
| 15:42.27 | Cairenn | I absolutely can not understand these people that eat their burgers pink ... like, hello? |
| 15:42.37 | Beladona | yeah |
| 15:42.44 | Tain | With a burger it actually turns my stomach a little if it's pink. |
| 15:42.47 | Cairenn | do you *want* to spend the night in the hospital? |
| 15:42.51 | Beladona | I cringe at people who eat raw dough, and stuff like that too |
| 15:42.55 | Kirkburn | Mmm, blood |
| 15:43.39 | Tain | Oh well... I sample my dough all the time, but I'm actually making it. :) |
| 15:43.57 | Beladona | I love eggs, but raw is risky |
| 15:44.12 | Tain | Everything's a risk! I have to make sure it's right. |
| 15:44.18 | Beladona | lol |
| 15:45.20 | Beladona | I had a friend that ate stuff ike that all the time |
| 15:45.28 | Beladona | but then he would pick food off the floor and eat it too |
| 15:45.34 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 15:45.34 | Tain | heh |
| 15:45.44 | Beladona | used to say "God made dirt, dirt is good" |
| 15:45.54 | Kirkburn | All I can say is ... bleurgh! |
| 15:46.03 | Tain | I used to hear, "God made dirt so dirt can't hurt" |
| 15:46.12 | Cairenn | anyone else notice Bela is using the past tense when discussing his friend? |
| 15:46.24 | Beladona | I offered to stick his head in some sewage, because it was naturally produced, but he wouldn't have that |
| 15:46.40 | krka|work | mmm... sewage |
| 15:46.44 | Beladona | he is still around |
| 15:46.50 | Beladona | I just don't keep in touch |
| 15:47.17 | Beladona | admittedly he was a redneck, so I guess it shouldn't have surprised me |
| 15:47.41 | Tain | Well sometimes you have to eat food off of the floor, there's not a lot of counter space in the double-wide. |
| 15:48.01 | Beladona | or the tin roof |
| 15:48.06 | Beladona | where you can cook it as well |
| 15:49.39 | Cairenn | Guys, don't make me yell at you ... bigotry is not appreciated in this channel. If Billy-Bob wants to eat off his tin roof, that's his right as a God-Fearing son of the good ol US of A. |
| 15:50.25 | Beladona | I didn't say anything negative |
| 15:50.28 | Tain | Not bigotry! Just pointing out the facts. :) |
| 15:50.30 | Beladona | just citing observations |
| 15:51.04 | Tain | On an unrelated note, message board quote on computer games that made me almost snort my coffee. |
| 15:51.05 | Tain | "If I never have to watch another dragon explode the whole galaxy because I waved my gun sword around and yodeled (sp?) I'll be a happy man. |
| 15:51.31 | Beladona | ?? |
| 15:51.58 | Tain | Ah well.. mainly around Final Fantasy type games. |
| 15:52.15 | Cairenn | that was a joke, btw ... sheesh, you people are so uptight |
| 15:52.16 | Tain | Huge scenematic cut-scenes for character attacks. |
| 15:52.22 | Cairenn | :p |
| 15:52.24 | Beladona | we were joking too |
| 15:52.28 | Beladona | sheesh |
| 15:52.30 | Tain | I don't appreciate your bigotted view that I'm uptight! |
| 15:52.37 | Beladona | I AM uptight |
| 15:52.46 | Tain | I'm upright... sometimes. |
| 15:52.48 | Beladona | or so my proctologist says |
| 15:52.51 | Cairenn | oh pull that pole out of your ass |
| 15:53.21 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 15:53.35 | Beladona | mm, suddenly it is silent |
| 15:53.40 | Cairenn | heh |
| 15:53.46 | Beladona | Tain must have snorted his coffee again |
| 15:53.51 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 15:54.05 | Beladona | you know that stuff is better through your mouth Tain |
| 15:54.09 | Beladona | .... |
| 15:55.03 | Tain | You haven't lived until you've done a line of coffee grounds. |
| 15:55.10 | Cairenn | hahahah |
| 15:55.23 | Shouryuu|Crazy | eeeewww |
| 15:55.28 | Beladona | that burns my nasal hair just thinking about it |
| 15:55.32 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 16:07.09 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 16:07.54 | Cairenn | morning Kaelten |
| 16:08.07 | Kaelten | hehe hey cair |
| 16:08.10 | Kaelten | its more like lunch break |
| 16:08.11 | Kaelten | :) |
| 16:08.31 | Kaelten | how you doing? |
| 16:08.38 | Cairenn | yeah, well, you just "arrived" in channel, so it's good morning :p |
| 16:08.47 | Cairenn | pretty well, you? |
| 16:08.50 | Kaelten | eh |
| 16:09.01 | Cairenn | that good, huh? |
| 16:09.16 | Kaelten | my 8am appointment will probably buy but not today and my 10am apointment was closed (persumably for memorial day weekend) |
| 16:09.56 | Kaelten | so ya kinda crappy morning |
| 16:10.03 | Cairenn | =/ |
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| 16:10.51 | Kaelten | but eh, that one guy'll buy although not this week |
| 16:43.19 | Cairenn | Christ I wish Mazzle would just hurry up and release his/her addon already. I can not WAIT to lock that stupid ass thread. |
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| 16:46.42 | haste | haha |
| 16:47.14 | Cide | it's almost as stupid as http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-priest&t=296239&p=1 |
| 16:47.34 | Cide | see http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.aspx?fn=wow-priest&pageno=2 to see its real size |
| 16:49.09 | Cairenn | oh for the love of ... |
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| 16:51.03 | Cairenn | that is, indeed, pretty stupid Cide |
| 16:51.17 | Cide | haha, yep |
| 16:51.53 | haste | the WoW forums actually survived over 10 pages :o ? |
| 16:52.22 | Cide | only about 50 |
| 16:52.32 | Cide | but it's up to 188 pages |
| 16:53.44 | Kirkburn | I love that thread |
| 16:54.03 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Same :P |
| 16:54.09 | Kirkburn | 3,748 replies :D |
| 16:54.17 | Shouryuu|Crazy | A perfect example of internet culture! |
| 16:55.08 | Kirkburn | But of course .... http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/234/hahashowphp8gw.jpg |
| 16:55.37 | Kirkburn | Predictable? Forumites? Never! |
| 16:55.37 | Shouryuu|Crazy | that's sad |
| 16:56.31 | haste | I want the original of that image! |
| 17:00.30 | Cide | Blizzard needs to patch in CreateFrame inheritance on PTR! |
| 17:07.59 | Shouryuu|Crazy | my internet is going to drive me crazy |
| 17:08.08 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Well I already am, but not because o my internet |
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| 17:57.56 | Beladona | HOLY BLOODY HELL |
| 17:58.01 | Beladona | I just saw that thread |
| 17:58.06 | Beladona | with the face melting |
| 17:58.14 | Beladona | stupid morons with too much time on thier hands |
| 17:59.51 | grimman | Yeah, threads like that suck and all participants should be banned. |
| 18:00.03 | grimman | Along with "FIRST" and "SECOND"/"FIRST PAGE!!!!!"-posters. |
| 18:05.26 | Elkano | /signed ;) |
| 18:10.43 | Kirkburn | Lrn2chat, nubs |
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| 18:13.16 | Shouryuu|Crazy | gawd am I tired |
| 18:13.17 | Kirkburn | BLUE: Stabilise Shouryuu's router or I quit! |
| 18:13.28 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 18:13.29 | Kirkburn | uh, hello :) |
| 18:13.43 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Thanks for the support :D |
| 18:14.04 | Kirkburn | Are you in Paris atm? |
| 18:14.11 | Shouryuu|Crazy | aye |
| 18:14.39 | Kirkburn | Well, bit easier for Blizz to come stabilise it :P Unless their bandwidth suction is causing it in the first place ;) |
| 18:14.55 | Shouryuu|Crazy | hehe |
| 18:15.19 | Shouryuu|Crazy | aww login servers are down, again |
| 18:16.34 | End | pwned? |
| 18:16.42 | Kirkburn | What in the heck? Why would you want to do this!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LUBRENasW4 |
| 18:17.38 | End-working | oh damn, it ate my question marks |
| 18:17.49 | End-working | due to technical limitations, my nick should be End-working??? |
| 18:18.59 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I'm afraid to look at that Kirkburn|Doccia |
| 18:19.08 | Kirkburn|Doccia | It's just stupid :) |
| 18:19.16 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Ouch |
| 18:19.30 | Kirkburn|Doccia | End-working, er ... do the technical limitations affect you or IRC :) |
| 18:20.00 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Is your Borg brain not sure if it is working? |
| 18:21.13 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Abenadi[FoF] (n=mtgother@ip-66-218-236-93.cableaz.com) |
| 18:21.15 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Hummm |
| 18:21.41 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Anyone have some advice for a movie I could watch? |
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| 18:21.59 | Shouryuu|Crazy | (morning everyone who logged btw) |
| 18:22.42 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Dude, Where's My Car? |
| 18:22.46 | Abenadi[FoF] | quick alias question - is it: local echo=DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage; or local echo="DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage"; |
| 18:22.53 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Been there, done that Kirk |
| 18:22.54 | Abenadi[FoF] | and btw does that work? |
| 18:23.03 | Kirkburn|Doccia | No, seriously, where is it? =) |
| 18:23.18 | Shouryuu|Crazy | First one Adenadi, I think |
| 18:23.22 | Abenadi[FoF] | thanks |
| 18:23.26 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Kirkburn|Doccia Had it for lunch, sorry |
| 18:23.41 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Don't trust me too much, I'm not that good 'a coder |
| 18:23.41 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Darn ... well what about another Monty Python? |
| 18:23.58 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Saw them all last night |
| 18:23.59 | Shouryuu|Crazy | couldn't sleep |
| 18:24.02 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Indiana Jones? |
| 18:24.06 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Ugh |
| 18:24.12 | Kirkburn|Doccia | :/ |
| 18:24.30 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Green Wing (not a film, I know) |
| 18:24.31 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I want something as good as Princess Mononoke, but which I haven't seen 1001 times :P |
| 18:24.53 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Never heard of it. You remind me, I need to buy and read catch 22 someday |
| 18:25.10 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Yes, I can see why that reminded you ....... |
| 18:25.20 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Watch Green Wing, I guarantee you'll like it |
| 18:25.21 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 18:25.28 | Shouryuu|Crazy | My mind works in mysterious ways |
| 18:25.51 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Run headfirst into a cinema sign as well? |
| 18:26.12 | Shouryuu|Crazy | Weeehhaaa |
| 18:26.17 | Kirkburn|Doccia | I bet it made that guy's brain work ... interestingly |
| 18:26.25 | Shouryuu|Crazy | lol |
| 18:26.30 | Kirkburn|Doccia | (although, it must have been pretty messed up beforehand!) |
| 18:26.38 | Kirkburn|Doccia | So, anyway ... Green Wing. |
| 18:27.03 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I'll give that a try |
| 18:27.15 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I've seen most of my movies a couple of times |
| 18:27.24 | Shouryuu|Crazy | and am getting a *tad* tired of them, no matter how good they are :P |
| 18:27.40 | Kirkburn|Doccia | 1st season was in 2004, 2nd season just ended |
| 18:32.50 | Crispix | Can anyone give me an honest opinion about something? |
| 18:33.02 | Crispix | What should I get .. Lootlink, or Lootlink Enhanced? |
| 18:34.01 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Honest opinion, eh ... |
| 18:34.27 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Haven't ever used either :P |
| 18:34.43 | Crispix | ok :) |
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| 18:36.26 | GodHatesMe | Weehhaa |
| 18:36.29 | Cide | Abenadi[FoF]: neither, actually |
| 18:37.56 | Cide | Abenadi[FoF]: best solution is to do.. local function echo(msg, r, g, b) DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(msg, r, g, b); end |
| 18:40.30 | GodHatesMe | It's strange/fun to listen to music that used to outrage people 20 years ago and just think "What's wrong with that?" |
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| 18:46.34 | Kirov | When Elvis first appeared on TV, they weren't allowed to show him from the waist down in fear that his hip gyrations would "excite" the youth too much. |
| 18:46.56 | Kirov | Now we can turn on MTV and watch softcore porn |
| 18:47.54 | GodHatesMe | hehe |
| 18:49.40 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:52.39 | Kirkburn|Doccia | I can't imagine WoW looking like this ... http://wow.ogaming.com/gallery/Blast-from-the-Past/week2 |
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| 18:55.02 | Tem | Kirkburn|Doccia: sexy |
| 18:55.44 | Tem | who wants to take bets on how long it takes someone to post a SS of their UI looking similar to that in one of the "POST UR MODZ" threads? |
| 18:57.34 | Kirkburn|Doccia | lol http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9950/gnomepond022zk.jpg |
| 18:57.57 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Gnomes couldn't jump out of water |
| 18:58.06 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Notice the names of the spectators ... |
| 18:59.19 | Tem | lol that's awesome |
| 18:59.58 | Tem | http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/706/706390p1.html |
| 19:00.05 | Tem | I *love* Flintlocke |
| 19:05.05 | zenzelezz | wonder if we'll get Felcloth/Mooncloth bandages sometime |
| 19:07.49 | Kirkburn|Doccia | I was about to say yes, but then, actually, I doubt it |
| 19:08.00 | Kirkburn|Doccia | There are new cloth types coming in BC |
| 19:08.39 | zenzelezz | but you think we might get higher bandages than we have at the moment? |
| 19:09.05 | Kirkburn|Doccia | yes |
| 19:10.04 | Kirkburn|Doccia | The new cloth types are certainly used to make bigger bags (mooncloth bags will die when BC comes out) ... so most likely bandages too |
| 19:11.52 | zenzelezz | Heavy Runecloth are nice, but not exactly a full heal |
| 19:11.56 | Abenadi[FoF] | Cide: I have a question about local functions... it seems whenever I define a function as local I can't use it from within other functions in my mod - can i define a local function within a global function and just use it within that global function? |
| 19:12.14 | Cide | correct |
| 19:12.24 | Abenadi[FoF] | ok thanks |
| 19:12.25 | Cide | if you define it as local, it can only be used within that block |
| 19:12.30 | Cide | a function is a block |
| 19:12.58 | Cide | if you define a local function at the top of your file, you can use it in all the other functions inside that file |
| 19:13.11 | Kirkburn|Doccia | I think I may start on a new server when BC comes out |
| 19:13.31 | Abenadi[FoF] | that seems like it should be the case but for some reason it gives me nonexisting function errors or something like that |
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| 19:21.19 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 19:21.33 | Iriel | Afternoon all |
| 19:21.44 | zenzelezz | greetings |
| 19:27.59 | GodHatesMe | Kirkburn|Doccia I might as well, if only I had the time =( |
| 19:28.30 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Lol, hello Shouryuu |
| 19:29.04 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Make time! |
| 19:29.11 | GodHatesMe | lol |
| 19:29.17 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Greetings to the Iriel |
| 19:29.17 | GodHatesMe | That won't be possible |
| 19:29.23 | GodHatesMe | I'll have time in about 1 year |
| 19:29.34 | GodHatesMe | In 1 year, WoW 24/7 |
| 19:29.37 | Kirkburn|Doccia | heh |
| 19:29.58 | GodHatesMe | but BC won't wait 1 year :P |
| 19:30.10 | End | oh wait, they are removing the -release- timer? I think he said rez timer, but if it's release timer, then that's completely awesome. |
| 19:30.22 | End | (or I think he said rez timer at first) |
| 19:31.18 | Maldivia | he said rez timer, and the edit-fixed it to release timer |
| 19:31.48 | End | yeah |
| 19:32.01 | End | exactly |
| 19:32.29 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Oh btw, has anyone tried ClearFont on the test server? |
| 19:32.56 | End | I'm not using the latest version, but it works for me. |
| 19:33.42 | End | (well, I don't think I'm using the latest version at least..) |
| 19:33.43 | Kirkburn|Doccia | cool :) |
| 19:34.04 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Haven't updated since early April, been no need, and got better things to do |
| 19:34.15 | GodHatesMe | "And yea we've had a few tanks get DIed or BOPed" Dled BOPed? |
| 19:34.18 | End | then I -might- be using the latest version :P |
| 19:34.34 | End | divine intervention |
| 19:34.37 | End | blessing of protection |
| 19:34.38 | End | pally spells |
| 19:34.49 | GodHatesMe | Ah that's why I don't understand them |
| 19:35.20 | End | IIRC, divine intervention sacrifices the paladin to make the target invulnerable for a fairly long amount of time |
| 19:35.42 | GodHatesMe | that's why it's bad on MT... |
| 19:35.42 | End | and blessing of protection is a physical damage immunity shield |
| 19:35.49 | GodHatesMe | aahh that shield |
| 19:35.54 | End | yeah, it causes a drop of aggro :P |
| 19:36.17 | End | so you can't tank with it on, because the mobs get bored of you, being that you are invulnerable and all ;p |
| 19:36.30 | GodHatesMe | "Also we once had a priest drop a box of eclairs on his keyboard and run straight into Vael during rebuffs after a wipe." hahaha |
| 19:37.02 | End | I think we've had the worst luck with hunters pulling Vael on accident |
| 19:37.15 | GodHatesMe | lol |
| 19:37.15 | End | at one point, one hunter's pet aggrod on him |
| 19:37.28 | End | another time one of our hunters shot Vael with scorpid sting |
| 19:37.58 | zenzelezz | speaking of pets, I've had two Stratholme baron runs lately fail on the baron because a hunter/warlock pet gets hit by the aura when the person enters the room |
| 19:38.13 | zenzelezz | always as fun to see the little buggers try to take on the boss |
| 19:38.15 | End | the pet aggros on him? |
| 19:38.26 | End | hmm |
| 19:38.30 | zenzelezz | the baron has that damage aura thingie |
| 19:38.36 | End | I think it'd be fine if the pet was on passive |
| 19:38.37 | End | yeah |
| 19:38.51 | End | actually, Vael has that too, but Vael's is fire damage :P |
| 19:39.01 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't know, never played a pet profession, but the hunter swore it was on passive |
| 19:39.01 | End | and I don't think Vael's starts until the battle starts |
| 19:39.09 | End | huh |
| 19:39.09 | End | weird |
| 19:39.28 | zenzelezz | again, I wouldn't know what the truth is :) Fun nonetheless |
| 19:39.45 | End | I wouldn't know either, my hunter is only level 22 :P |
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| 19:39.57 | End | has a pet, but I haven't had a chance to wipe a group with him yet ;p |
| 19:39.59 | zenzelezz | was first time the warlock did baron side... his imp got a bit overconfident ;) |
| 19:44.13 | apparentbliss | I have a question; I have an addon that is extracting data, and I want to timestamp the data I am extracting in such a way that data from different clients/users can be later amalgamated/synchronized |
| 19:44.35 | End | what's your question? |
| 19:45.12 | apparentbliss | Is there a clean way to do this? I am assuming at this point that I am going to have to trust the user to manually set their offset from the server, use either date() or time() to get the local system's time, and then collect GetGameTime() for later reference |
| 19:45.59 | apparentbliss | essentially, i am using the client's date, and assuming it's right, but using the server's time for hours and seconds |
| 19:46.25 | ckknight | apparentbliss, see ClockFu |
| 19:46.33 | ckknight | I figure out the time difference |
| 19:46.38 | ckknight | between local, server, and UTC |
| 19:47.03 | apparentbliss | downloading |
| 19:47.53 | Legorol | ckknight: how do you figure out UTC? |
| 19:48.03 | ckknight | it's a date function |
| 19:48.08 | ckknight | ah, see ClockFu |
| 19:48.11 | ckknight | it's all there |
| 19:48.16 | ckknight | in nice little functions |
| 19:48.25 | Legorol | oki |
| 19:48.35 | apparentbliss | ahh, sneaky |
| 19:50.48 | apparentbliss | so, ckknight, you're just assuming that the offest will never be of greater magnitude than +/- 12? |
| 19:52.05 | ckknight | right |
| 19:52.13 | Kirov | hmm... login server down |
| 19:52.16 | ckknight | which it like never is |
| 19:52.28 | Kirov | when are they fixing that? |
| 19:52.37 | Thrae | Hmm, should I accept scripts from doubleclick.net for WoWI? |
| 19:52.38 | ckknight | I think one small island in the pacific is +1230 |
| 19:52.41 | ckknight | but that's it |
| 19:52.56 | Legorol | ckknight: convince me that FuBar is better than Titan ;-) |
| 19:53.02 | Legorol | tell me why i need to switch over :) |
| 19:53.13 | Thrae | I don't think I can setup NoScript to only accept doubleclick.net if I'm browsing WoWI only.\ |
| 19:53.16 | ckknight | Legorol, FuBar increases your length and girth by at least 30% |
| 19:53.29 | Cide | haha |
| 19:53.37 | ckknight | use what you want, really |
| 19:53.45 | ckknight | I'm not going to force you to use FuBar |
| 19:53.48 | ckknight | I recommend you try it out |
| 19:53.50 | Legorol | no seriously, i want to be converted |
| 19:53.51 | Thrae | Legorol: It's name is 100% cooler, despite there already being a "FooBar" (but that's by Saien, which doesn't count) |
| 19:53.52 | Legorol | please do try |
| 19:53.56 | Kirov | what ckknight forgot to mention is that's the length and girth of your left foot |
| 19:54.02 | ckknight | I won't feel bad if you decide it's not for you |
| 19:54.07 | Legorol | come on, you don't often get people wanting to convert them |
| 19:54.19 | Legorol | hehe :-) |
| 19:54.19 | ckknight | just drink the koolaid |
| 19:54.48 | Thrae | FuBar is the "Blue Pill", TitanPanel is the "Red Pill"...or maybe the other way around. |
| 19:54.52 | Kirov | Legorol - here's an easy reason, there are only 10 plug ins for it so they're a lot easier to sort through. |
| 19:55.58 | ckknight | Kirov, there's like 3 pages of plugins for it |
| 19:56.05 | Thrae | Legorol: How about that ckknight is an advid supporter of stub development, such that he wants all FuBar plugins to able exist without FuBar itself. |
| 19:56.06 | Kirkburn|Doccia | Just what I was going to say |
| 19:56.30 | ckknight | yea, MailFu works without FuBar |
| 19:56.36 | ckknight | so does a few of Tekkub's other ones |
| 19:56.53 | Thrae | With TitanPanel, you have the headache of needing to not only install all of TitanPanel for one addon, but to keep it up-to-date if an addon requires it. |
| 19:56.59 | Legorol | ckknight, i just looked at ClockFu, and have a question (or two) |
| 19:57.01 | ckknight | FuBar uses 17 libraries and has a very small core |
| 19:57.04 | ckknight | Legorol, shot |
| 19:57.05 | Legorol | seeing that i have read the code, am i allowed to ask now? |
| 19:57.06 | ckknight | shoot* |
| 19:57.14 | ckknight | yea |
| 19:57.15 | Legorol | i didn't know date() takes arguments |
| 19:57.19 | ckknight | sure does |
| 19:57.20 | Legorol | is that documented anywhere? |
| 19:57.22 | ckknight | yep |
| 19:57.23 | ckknight | os.date |
| 19:57.26 | Legorol | such as? |
| 19:57.27 | Legorol | oh |
| 19:57.31 | Legorol | it's the same function? |
| 19:57.33 | Legorol | ok |
| 19:57.33 | ckknight | yea |
| 19:57.33 | Kirov | yeah |
| 19:57.38 | ckknight | look it up in the lua docs |
| 19:57.39 | Legorol | that 'xplains it |
| 19:57.42 | Legorol | sure |
| 19:57.50 | ckknight | another reason to use FuBar: I know more than you |
| 19:57.52 | ckknight | hehe |
| 19:57.52 | Kirov | there's a couple of c docs that explain it more (c has an identical funcion) |
| 19:58.01 | ckknight | :-P |
| 19:58.34 | Iriel | Though, like printf, lua doesn't call the C one directly |
| 19:58.37 | Thrae | ckknight: Couldn't the people who developed TitanPanel claim the same thing? ;) |
| 19:58.37 | Kirov | ckknight has a masters degree ... in science |
| 19:58.50 | Legorol | ehm.. ok the os.date() description is not very helpful :( |
| 19:58.55 | Legorol | it refers me to the C function |
| 19:59.13 | Legorol | so, does anyone know a good link to a good (and accurate!) online description of standard C functions? |
| 19:59.28 | Legorol | Iriel: what's different about Lua's format and printf? |
| 19:59.31 | Kirov | google.com? |
| 19:59.33 | Legorol | or rather |
| 19:59.34 | Iriel | http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?strftime |
| 19:59.40 | ckknight | Kirov, I haven't even gone to college yet |
| 19:59.41 | Legorol | Kirov: i have horrible goolge skills |
| 19:59.49 | Legorol | what i come up with would be substandard at best |
| 19:59.51 | End | oh strftime |
| 20:00.26 | Iriel | Though I suspect you really want the win32 version |
| 20:00.30 | Legorol | Iriel: thanks for the link, i'm afraid i tried to find the "base" page where i can type the command, |
| 20:00.33 | Legorol | and i can't find one |
| 20:00.35 | Legorol | i mean |
| 20:00.41 | Legorol | where is the search page? |
| 20:01.26 | Legorol | lol, i went to this: |
| 20:01.30 | Iriel | Eh, that link got me to the strftime document |
| 20:01.35 | Legorol | http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/unixhelp_search type in strftime, and it doesn't find it |
| 20:01.39 | Thrae | Iriel: By the way, is there any easy way to trick an action slot to think it has a link to a consumable sitting in it when it's really a macro? Like you can do /script --CastSpellByName("Maul") |
| 20:01.42 | Legorol | Iriel: yeah that's fine and dandy, but |
| 20:01.45 | Legorol | i need a more general page |
| 20:01.54 | Legorol | something that has all standard C functions |
| 20:02.06 | Legorol | bah, i am not very coherent today |
| 20:02.20 | Iriel | http://www.utas.edu.au/infosys/info/documentation/C/CStdLib.html |
| 20:02.21 | Iriel | ? |
| 20:03.05 | Legorol | Iriel, not comprehensive enough :( |
| 20:03.13 | Legorol | e.g. info on printf is very brief |
| 20:03.20 | Thrae | Cairenn: Would you be mad at me if I continue to block doubleclick.net's scripts being executed on wowinterface.com? Since I can't figure out how to allow doubleclick.net *only* on wowinterface.com. |
| 20:03.35 | Iriel | Thrae : Not that i'm aware of for consumables, no. |
| 20:03.37 | Cairenn | I don't care :p |
| 20:03.50 | Cairenn | block away |
| 20:03.56 | Legorol | ok now that i thought through what i need, essentially this is what i need: |
| 20:04.04 | Legorol | I need a resource with the following properties: |
| 20:04.18 | Legorol | whenever the Lua manual says that "rest is same as standard C function", |
| 20:04.18 | Thrae | Well I don't know what the script does, it might be their way of tracking who accesses your site and how much to give you in revenue ;) |
| 20:04.24 | Legorol | i would like to be able to look up that C function |
| 20:04.31 | Legorol | with complete documentation |
| 20:04.40 | End | well, I just docked off the function name |
| 20:04.42 | Legorol | That's my need as a user |
| 20:04.43 | End | and got http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi |
| 20:04.47 | Thrae | It's some type of Javascript embedded into your advertisements. |
| 20:04.48 | End | and it has a search thingy |
| 20:05.03 | End | you may went to set the manual section to 3 though |
| 20:05.08 | End | s/went/want/ |
| 20:05.26 | Legorol | End: try putting printf in the search field and see what happens |
| 20:05.27 | Thrae | Iriel: Yeah I figured as much. Oh well, I'll figure out something. |
| 20:05.44 | End | that's why I said put 3 in |
| 20:05.48 | Legorol | i just did |
| 20:05.51 | End | in the section number |
| 20:05.52 | End | and? |
| 20:05.54 | Legorol | set section number to 3 |
| 20:05.56 | End | oh |
| 20:05.57 | Legorol | and search for printf |
| 20:05.58 | Legorol | same thing |
| 20:06.01 | End | it's broken then |
| 20:06.06 | End | I didn't actually READ it |
| 20:06.07 | Iriel | Legorol : Install a C development environment and use its search facilities. The (2) and (3) sections of unix manuals give you function docs. |
| 20:06.08 | Legorol | not to mention the fact that how am i supposed to know what a section number is? |
| 20:06.20 | Thrae | Maybe I'll have Thrae_UseItem() return the number left in a stack, if it is a stack. |
| 20:06.20 | End | section 3 is the C library |
| 20:06.21 | Legorol | Iriel: ok, i may have to do that |
| 20:06.28 | Iriel | http://seth.positivism.org/man.cgi/3/printf |
| 20:06.29 | Iriel | Try that one |
| 20:06.38 | Legorol | however, i would be very surprised if out there somewhere on the net there isn't a complete resource for standard C functions |
| 20:06.51 | Iriel | Anyway, lua's difference from the standard function is in the handling of the ! and *t things |
| 20:07.01 | Legorol | yeah, for date |
| 20:07.02 | Iriel | Otherwise it's mostly a passthrough to the standard C library |
| 20:07.03 | End | oh there is, but the site originally given didn't accept the section number properly |
| 20:07.13 | Legorol | any differences betwen string.format and C printf? |
| 20:07.17 | ckknight | yep. |
| 20:07.23 | Legorol | ok Iriel, that looks comprehensive enough to me |
| 20:07.26 | Iriel | Yes, lua re-parses the whole format string |
| 20:07.34 | Iriel | and only allows things it knows |
| 20:08.03 | Iriel | And does it with a sprintf for each piece |
| 20:09.45 | Abenadi[FoF] | question! my mod uses another mod called bonusscanner, from which I call a function during onload. This usually doesn't work, i guess because the other mod isn't loaded yet? Is there an event that fires when its loaded? |
| 20:10.14 | Legorol | ADDON_LOADED, with arg1 == "BonusScanner" |
| 20:10.23 | End | you could set it as a dependency |
| 20:10.25 | Thrae | Abenadi[FoF]: Make your mod Depends or OptionalDep of BonusScanner |
| 20:10.29 | Legorol | however, what you should do is set BonusScanner as a dependency |
| 20:10.30 | Iriel | or you could mak eyour mod optionally depend on BonusScanner |
| 20:10.35 | Thrae | Then BonusScanner will always load before your mod. |
| 20:10.36 | Abenadi[FoF] | Ah ok thanks |
| 20:10.51 | Abenadi[FoF] | I didnt realize the dependency did more than just the tooltip thing |
| 20:10.54 | MentalPower | string.lower(arg1) == "bonusscanner" <---That would be better |
| 20:11.00 | Legorol | Abenadi[FoF]: what tooltip thing |
| 20:11.14 | Abenadi[FoF] | when you click addons after you've logged on |
| 20:11.17 | Iriel | If you NEED BonusScanner installed, then it should be a plain dependency. If you want to use it if it's installed, but dont care if it's not, use an OptionalDependency |
| 20:11.52 | Legorol | a plain dependency is specified by putting "## RequiredDeps: BonusScanner" in the .toc (without quotes) |
| 20:12.03 | Legorol | Iriel: I wanted to ask you a question yesterday |
| 20:12.21 | Abenadi[FoF] | and OptionalDeps:... for optional i assume? |
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| 20:12.21 | Legorol | to my pain i found out that in 1.10, we can't access the special FontString of an EditBox |
| 20:12.31 | Legorol | is this going to be different in 1.11? |
| 20:12.42 | Legorol | from the 1.11 changes summary, my impression is that it's not changing |
| 20:13.00 | Legorol | Note that I do mean the FontString, and not the Font associated with the EditBox |
| 20:13.21 | Legorol | Specifically, the problem I faced in 1.10 was that an EditBox doesn't wrap text with no spaces |
| 20:13.36 | Legorol | I was trying to put the nonspacewrap="true" on the special FontString in the XML, |
| 20:13.39 | Legorol | and that had no effect |
| 20:13.56 | Legorol | so I wanted to try from Lua, but Lua has no access to the EditBox's FontString (even if named in the XML) |
| 20:14.27 | Legorol | I know that there are changes afoot for Buttons in 1.11, but not for EditBox, is that correct? |
| 20:15.36 | Legorol | ckknight: i was meaning to ask you another question about ClockFu |
| 20:16.19 | Legorol | I see that you are working out offsets based on difference in hours and minutes |
| 20:16.34 | Legorol | do i read that correctly that if the client time is more than 30 minutes out of sync, then it gets the wrong offset? |
| 20:17.17 | ckknight | right |
| 20:17.35 | ckknight | but that's typically an unlikely situation |
| 20:17.48 | ckknight | i.e. lern2ntp or what have you |
| 20:18.17 | Legorol | actually, it seems like it gets it wrong if you are more than 15 minutes out of sync? |
| 20:19.49 | Legorol | hmm... no i don't get it |
| 20:19.52 | Legorol | i am looking at this formula: |
| 20:19.52 | Legorol | floor((ser - utc) * 2 + 0.5) / 2 |
| 20:20.42 | Legorol | what is this meant to accomplish? round to nearest integer? |
| 20:21.27 | Legorol | because that'd be floor((ser - utc) + 0.5) |
| 20:21.36 | Legorol | could you please explain what that formula does? |
| 20:25.50 | Maldivia | floor((ser - utc) * 2 + 0.5) / 2 === floor((ser - utc) + 0.25) |
| 20:26.13 | Maldivia | or well, no not entirely.. |
| 20:26.30 | Maldivia | floor((ser - utc) * 2 + 0.5) / 2 <-- rounds to nearest 0.5 |
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| 20:30.37 | Maldivia | Hmm, the different pvp ranks, are they stored somewhere? |
| 20:30.45 | Maldivia | nevermind |
| 20:30.55 | Kirkburn | Wow, the wiki has over 10,000 (legitimate) pages |
| 20:32.28 | groll | hmm how much is 80Kib/s in B/s ? |
| 20:34.06 | Thrae | groll: Divide by 8 |
| 20:34.13 | groll | oke thx |
| 20:34.15 | Kirkburn | And times by 1000? |
| 20:34.21 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 20:34.23 | groll | meh |
| 20:34.27 | groll | ok what is it now then? |
| 20:34.47 | Thrae | I assumed he was asking for how to convert between KiloBytes and Kilobits |
| 20:34.57 | Kirkburn | Kibibytes, actually :P |
| 20:35.16 | Thrae | Kibibytes? |
| 20:35.23 | groll | it just says B/s and i need to know what that is.. i usually dl with like 80k/s but i need it in B/s |
| 20:36.07 | Kirkburn | You have to be absolutely accurate with capitals ... 80KiB/s --> B/s ? |
| 20:36.15 | Thrae | groll: If it says B/s that means it's below a Kilobyte, which is 1024 Bytes. |
| 20:36.48 | Thrae | groll: If it says b/s then that means it's below a Kilobit, which is 1024 bits. |
| 20:37.06 | Thrae | groll: Undercase 'b' = bits, Uppercase 'B' = Bytes, usually. |
| 20:37.21 | groll | ok so if i would like to remove all that are below say 60k/s what would i write then if it is in B/s |
| 20:37.28 | groll | then it's bytes |
| 20:38.02 | Kirkburn | (and a Kibibyte is 1000 bytes exactly) |
| 20:38.08 | groll | and i suck at maths ;P |
| 20:38.17 | Cide | isn't it the other way around? |
| 20:38.23 | Cide | Kibi = 1024, Kilo = 1000 |
| 20:38.35 | Kirkburn | Ack, we did this already didn't we ... |
| 20:38.42 | Cide | groll: 61440 (60*1024) |
| 20:38.48 | Kirkburn | What Cide said |
| 20:38.54 | zenzelezz | Cide: that's just if people choose to adhere to the "kibi" standard |
| 20:38.59 | groll | ok so erf oke :P thanks |
| 20:39.06 | zenzelezz | a whole lot of people still count "kilo" as 1024 |
| 20:39.06 | Cide | zenzelezz: right :) |
| 20:39.20 | Kirkburn | Only in the computer world |
| 20:39.22 | Thrae | 'Kibi' is only the standard for maybe Lua coders ;) |
| 20:39.39 | Thrae | Not even my *nix computers use Kibi, as far as I can tell. |
| 20:39.46 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: that is true; I tend to forget that part |
| 20:39.48 | Kirkburn | Kibi is what should have always been used in the computer world, but wasn't |
| 20:40.35 | Thrae | Kirkburn: They shouldn't have used two digits to represent the current years. There's more past mistakes in the evolution of computers that could be represent with Kibi ;) |
| 20:40.38 | Cide | "Kilo" has always been 1000 (10^3), and then came computers with powers of 2 |
| 20:40.51 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 20:41.08 | Kirkburn | More info ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefixes |
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| 20:42.33 | Beladona | the 1024/1000 issue was a problem with how hardware and software designers differed on their definition |
| 20:42.50 | MoonWolf | ? |
| 20:43.12 | grimman | Weeee, winamp is now playing: Blümchen - Blaue Augen |
| 20:43.31 | grimman | Eurotechno from the late 90's. ^^ |
| 20:43.41 | Thrae | Beladona: You mean how hardware designers opted to use standard metric because it made their hard drives look bigger and their network cards look faster? |
| 20:43.54 | Beladona | basically |
| 20:44.01 | Beladona | they use standard decimal instead of binary |
| 20:44.12 | Beladona | her eis a good writeup |
| 20:44.14 | Beladona | http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/calculate/ |
| 20:44.21 | MoonWolf | one has to admit though |
| 20:44.24 | Thrae | I wouldn't say it WAS a problem then, since hard drive manufacturers in particular are still doing it. |
| 20:44.35 | MoonWolf | the 1000 standard is more in line with the metric system. |
| 20:44.37 | Kirkburn | Radio Soulwax here, I do love music mixes so |
| 20:44.44 | Legorol | The kibi/mebi/gibi prefixes are relatively knew things |
| 20:44.48 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 20:44.54 | Thrae | Putting on "this is a metric representation" isn't going to clue in 99% of Americans. |
| 20:45.05 | zenzelezz | my main problem with the kibi family is the stupid names |
| 20:45.06 | Kirkburn | 'More' in line with the metric system??? :P |
| 20:45.25 | Legorol | the confusing part is the notation "GB" |
| 20:45.40 | Thrae | KibiByte -- Not to be confused with the ChibiBite ( http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:tTYJH4QhpzacPM:hekshano.com/TailBite.jpg ) |
| 20:45.42 | Kirkburn | Yes, people will think they're buying a country ... |
| 20:45.47 | GodHatesMe | rawr out! |
| 20:45.59 | Legorol | up until harddrive manufacturers' ego got large, people happily used that as GigaBytes (the old term) GibiBytes (the new term), meaning 1024^3 |
| 20:46.06 | Beladona | the kibi and various terms like it were created to help reduce confusion on the metric and binary versions of the standard kilobyte |
| 20:46.25 | Beladona | it didn't really catch on though |
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| 20:46.39 | zenzelezz | like Esperanto |
| 20:46.48 | Thrae | Except when it comes to telling you how much UI memory that addon is eating up in WoW ;) |
| 20:46.59 | Beladona | hehe |
| 20:47.06 | Beladona | I do prefer it |
| 20:47.14 | Legorol | Beladona: on one hand it didn't catch on, |
| 20:47.22 | Beladona | it caught on in some circles |
| 20:47.25 | Beladona | lets put it that way |
| 20:47.26 | Legorol | on another hand harddisk manufacturers capitalise on the fact that there is now a separate word, |
| 20:47.33 | Legorol | and happily claim their hard disk is 100 GB |
| 20:47.58 | Beladona | unfortunately MS hasn't used the correct lingo |
| 20:48.03 | Beladona | in windows |
| 20:48.04 | Thrae | Scientists/Nerds invent words because that's part of what they do. |
| 20:48.10 | Beladona | so people are still confused |
| 20:48.17 | Legorol | when was the kibi/mebi prefix accepted as a standard? |
| 20:48.21 | Legorol | i thought it's only a few years ago |
| 20:48.25 | Beladona | 1998 |
| 20:48.27 | Legorol | ah |
| 20:48.38 | Legorol | on the other hand, you could blame Linux too ;-) |
| 20:48.39 | zenzelezz | it's that old? |
| 20:48.39 | Beladona | by the IEC |
| 20:48.41 | Legorol | that doesn't use it either |
| 20:48.43 | Beladona | aye |
| 20:48.47 | Beladona | http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci825099,00.html |
| 20:48.48 | Legorol | i didn't realise it's that old either |
| 20:48.50 | zenzelezz | I never heard about those until relatively recently |
| 20:48.57 | Legorol | to be honest, forced standards don't always catch on |
| 20:49.13 | Legorol | but now that the hardware manufacturers started exploiting the MB/GB thingie, it might catch on more |
| 20:49.16 | Legorol | to lessen the confusion |
| 20:49.17 | Thrae | Beladona: And *nix's default is to present everything either in bytes, but allows switching to Kilo/Mega/etc. |
| 20:49.19 | Tain | What the hell is this metric stuff people keep talking about, anyway? |
| 20:49.40 | Legorol | Tain: it all begins with a piece of metal rod kept in Paris... |
| 20:49.51 | Tain | I get twelve rods to the hogshead and that's the way I like it! |
| 20:49.59 | Thrae | I should say, most file managers made for *nix present everything in bytes by default. |
| 20:50.40 | Thrae | If I do df -h, then I get it in Gigabytes. |
| 20:50.44 | Legorol | i wouldn't mind if the kibi/mebi etc. wasn't used, as long as people consistently used the 1024^n definition of kilo etc. in computing world |
| 20:50.49 | Beladona | dealing in greater measurement s than bytes tends to introduce rounding which makes it slightly innacurate |
| 20:50.58 | Beladona | which may be aprt of the reason |
| 20:51.33 | Legorol | so, what is the correct abbreviation, according to the standards? |
| 20:51.34 | Thrae | Beladona: And the other part is that the Open Source community doesn't like change unless there's a reaaally good reason for it. |
| 20:51.40 | Legorol | what is KB, Kb, KiB and Kb? |
| 20:51.49 | Legorol | (last one meant to be Kib) |
| 20:51.52 | Thrae | "Why need Kibi/Chibi/whatever when you can represent everything in bytes and save yourself the trouble!" |
| 20:51.58 | Beladona | its a matter of the "default" being the one they prefer, and you can choose something else if you prefer otherwise |
| 20:52.15 | Tain | The real problem is the 1000 vs 1024 thing in the first place. It shouldn't have ever happened. :( |
| 20:52.24 | Legorol | Thrae: Because then my hard disk would be 249839989123 bytes in size |
| 20:52.30 | Thrae | Yes, we should have adapted TRINARY to start with! |
| 20:52.56 | zenzelezz | make it 249'839'989'123 bytes and it isn't as bad |
| 20:53.00 | Legorol | Tain: but given that it *has* happened, and people got used to it, |
| 20:53.00 | Beladona | they should have introduced a new terminology, knowing that the power of 2 would pretty much make metric measurements innacurate |
| 20:53.07 | zenzelezz | (apply whichever thousand-separator you prefer) |
| 20:53.14 | Beladona | the kibi..... standard was a bit late in the game |
| 20:53.26 | Thrae | Legorol: That's what --I-- get with a df or dh unless I give it the -h option. |
| 20:53.30 | Legorol | i say it's all those damn hard disk manufacturers fault |
| 20:53.32 | Tain | No one can stand up to the power of 2. |
| 20:53.44 | Beladona | I do blame the HD manufacturers to a degree |
| 20:53.47 | Legorol | if it wasn't for them, everyone would know kilo = 1024 |
| 20:53.54 | Thrae | Tain: I dunno, 1 looks pretty straight and narrow. |
| 20:53.56 | Legorol | they are the ones that mostly screwed it all up |
| 20:54.12 | Thrae | And most hard drives are made in Asia... |
| 20:54.15 | Thrae | Blame Asia! |
| 20:54.28 | Tain | That's the problem Legorol, kilo isn't 1024. AT least not anywhere else in the metric system. |
| 20:54.31 | Abenadi[FoF] | marketing ~= production |
| 20:54.46 | Legorol | Tain: no that's not the problem |
| 20:54.48 | Tain | So it introduced confusion using the term kilo in the first place. |
| 20:54.54 | Thrae | Abenadi[FoF]: But they -enabled- the behavior! |
| 20:54.58 | Legorol | the computing world had its own definition of kilo, which everyone understood |
| 20:55.02 | Beladona | I agree with Tain |
| 20:55.07 | Legorol | mmm |
| 20:55.09 | Kirov | heh, talk to the guys that make the Black and White games |
| 20:55.13 | Legorol | ok but again, given that it *has* happened, |
| 20:55.21 | Legorol | why do HD manufacturers confuse the issue further? |
| 20:55.21 | Kirov | They find out about features in their game from press releases sometimes. |
| 20:55.24 | Beladona | the metric prefixes were around for a long time. It was the decision to use them in computer terms that cased an issue |
| 20:55.40 | Legorol | Beladona: i agree that that was the issue originally |
| 20:55.47 | Legorol | but it settled down, and everyone was happy for a while |
| 20:55.50 | Legorol | now it's all messed up again |
| 20:55.59 | Thrae | Legorol: If HD manufacturers were to suddenly switch to binary-metric representations, wouldn't that also be confusing since everyone's used to straight metric? |
| 20:56.04 | Beladona | HD manufacturers could argue that they are using it correctly |
| 20:56.11 | Beladona | and in fact they have |
| 20:56.20 | Beladona | argued that I mean |
| 20:56.42 | Legorol | but we both know that it's a marketing ploy |
| 20:56.54 | Legorol | it has nothing to with any righteous quest to suddenly change the world to be a better place, |
| 20:56.55 | Beladona | sure |
| 20:56.58 | Legorol | and to correct the terminology |
| 20:57.10 | Tain | That doesn't make it any less correct. :) |
| 20:57.14 | Beladona | either way, it isn't going to change tomorrow |
| 20:57.15 | Legorol | i disagree |
| 20:57.29 | Beladona | the terms have been too deeply ingrained in modern computing |
| 20:57.43 | Legorol | Doing something that you *know* is going to create confusion, doing it for the sake of money, and covering it up with "well, technicall I am correct" is not a good approach |
| 20:58.01 | Legorol | Beladona: that is exactly my point too |
| 20:58.10 | Tain | Yes but the terms are ingrained and used both correctly and incorrectly, so we're at at point where it doesn't matter who's right or wrong. |
| 20:58.19 | Beladona | its hard to argue |
| 20:58.28 | Beladona | I agree with their definition of the terms kilo, and so forth |
| 20:58.38 | Legorol | ok, let me give you a little example.. |
| 20:58.44 | Thrae | Legorol: So you're saying that people fighting for all the right reasons but the incorrect conclusion should be allowed to win over a company fighting for all the wrong reasons but the correct conclusion? |
| 20:58.44 | Beladona | but also disagree with their decision to use it to describe data space |
| 20:58.55 | Tain | It's simply one case where the marketing department accidentally got it correct. |
| 20:59.04 | Legorol | not too long ago, Britan passed laws that it's mandatory to show the weight, volume etc. of products in metric system as well, if you were only displaying it in imperial so far |
| 20:59.23 | Beladona | no matter how you look at it, the end result is that the metric prefix is a poor method for describing power of 2 measurement |
| 20:59.55 | Thrae | Well, all HDDs I know have a disclaimer on their sticker which says "only metric numbers". Any reasonable person that really wants to know what this disclaimer means shouldn't have too hard a time figuring it outl |
| 21:00.02 | Thrae | s/outl/out/. |
| 21:00.13 | Legorol | so then, suddenly, shops started selling 526 ml of milk, 1.32 kg of banana, etc. |
| 21:00.15 | Beladona | but then again, go ask a random person on the street how much data a kilobyte refers to |
| 21:00.22 | Legorol | who do you think lost out on all this? |
| 21:00.22 | Beladona | and you get varying responses |
| 21:00.25 | Legorol | yes that's right, the consumers |
| 21:01.05 | Thrae | Beladona: I expect most of the responses would be "...Get away from me you strange, unwashed nerd." |
| 21:01.09 | Legorol | anyways, we all agree the situation is a mess, |
| 21:01.11 | Beladona | lol |
| 21:01.16 | Thrae | ...At least, if --I-- did the survey. |
| 21:01.19 | Legorol | we agree it's not going to be sorted soon, so that's that |
| 21:01.28 | Beladona | what matters |
| 21:01.32 | Beladona | is that we know the difference |
| 21:01.50 | Tain | And I don't buy harddrives by the pound. |
| 21:02.00 | Legorol | i do |
| 21:02.05 | Legorol | i fork over those pounds to get them |
| 21:02.06 | Beladona | and with that, I must bid you adieu. Time for 3 day weekend! |
| 21:02.13 | Legorol | have fun |
| 21:03.13 | Beladona | I wish I could fork over pounds for hardware |
| 21:03.19 | Beladona | maybe I could lose some weight |
| 21:03.27 | Beladona | o.0 |
| 21:07.19 | ckknight | I wish I could both receive pounds and hardware |
| 21:10.22 | Kirkburn | I still find it silly that we use imperial measurements for distance in the UK |
| 21:11.07 | Kirkburn | We're gonna have to change sometime ... no-one I know has a clue how many yards there are in a mile, even though that's how it's all measured :/ |
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| 21:11.21 | zenzelezz | I heard you tried to change some years back, but people kept tearing down or destroying the signs |
| 21:11.24 | grimman | ... @ some ride in an amusement park getting stuck in the air. Emergency psychologists were called in. |
| 21:12.21 | zenzelezz | there must be something like 1800-2000 years to a mile? |
| 21:12.22 | grimman | I would have understood the need for psychologists if the ride was upside down and/or still running a bit bugged. But just stuck? Meh, mere inconvenience. ;D |
| 21:13.11 | Kirkburn | We haven't tried an official change yet |
| 21:13.37 | grimman | Kirkburn: Hehe, fav quote from some british guy was "I weigh x stones." |
| 21:13.41 | Kirkburn | In the rare cases when some workers see sense and order a 50m sign, rather than 50yd ... they get old people in their backs |
| 21:13.53 | Kirkburn | I weigh 9 stones |
| 21:13.58 | grimman | Ah yes. |
| 21:14.06 | grimman | How large are the stones? What quality? Model? |
| 21:14.18 | Kirkburn | waitasec, I weigh 9 stone ... not plural :P |
| 21:14.19 | grimman | I weigh roughly 7 Victor HWM 2436:52. |
| 21:14.24 | grimman | Stones. |
| 21:14.45 | grimman | Which is ~ 10x Alex 2436:02. |
| 21:14.58 | grimman | << Project worker at a brick factory. ;P |
| 21:15.10 | zenzelezz | sounds exciting |
| 21:15.11 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah, stones, silly me |
| 21:15.36 | Kirkburn | Aaah, you're confusing me |
| 21:15.41 | grimman | zenzelezz: It's not bad and the pay's good. |
| 21:16.00 | grimman | But if you don't learn how to switch your brain off you're screwed. ;D |
| 21:16.03 | Kirkburn | No, we most certainly *say* 9 stone, whether or not that's officially correct |
| 21:16.25 | Kirkburn | Either way ... younger people are starting to use kilos |
| 21:16.44 | ckknight | what's wrong with kilos? |
| 21:17.03 | Kirkburn | Nothing ... it's just tradition :/ |
| 21:17.41 | Kirkburn | It's now illegal to sell stuff in imperial weight here (since maybe a decade ago), so that's helping |
| 21:17.55 | Kirkburn | Meanwhile ... in the USA ... ? Anything? Any changes at all? |
| 21:18.00 | grimman | I've never understood the imperial stuff anyway. |
| 21:18.13 | Iriel | Well, the US uses imperial units, but people dont know what a stone is |
| 21:18.15 | grimman | Weight based on random objects... lovely. |
| 21:18.19 | Iriel | And some of the imperial units are, different |
| 21:18.25 | Iriel | pint, being the biggest one |
| 21:18.28 | Kirkburn | True, they are |
| 21:18.28 | grimman | Base-random. |
| 21:18.38 | zenzelezz | "inch" used to be different |
| 21:18.38 | Iriel | Which is why americans can't hold their drink |
| 21:18.41 | Kirkburn | grimman, I know ... gotta love history |
| 21:18.59 | grimman | I mean sure, I can understand how it started, I have no problem with that. |
| 21:19.06 | Kirkburn | Continental europeans can thank the french for their enlightenment |
| 21:19.08 | grimman | But obviously the metric system is superior. |
| 21:19.12 | Iriel | It makes english cookbooks of dubious value in the US (and vice versa) |
| 21:19.31 | Iriel | Well, mostly, for non-scientific uses the metric system doesn't adequately address time |
| 21:19.42 | Kirkburn | Even NASA gets mixed up... |
| 21:19.50 | grimman | Iriel: Time? |
| 21:20.05 | Maldivia | Tem ? |
| 21:20.14 | Iriel | yeah, you want time to fit nicely into day sized chunks |
| 21:20.30 | Iriel | and that doesn't fit into a metric multiplier very well |
| 21:20.38 | zenzelezz | "The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom." |
| 21:20.42 | zenzelezz | what's so tricky about time? |
| 21:20.42 | Iriel | (I realize it's a different issue than the base units, and the second works just fine) |
| 21:20.45 | grimman | Oh that, yes... |
| 21:20.52 | Iriel | BUt metric also tends to imply using powers of 10/1000 for naming |
| 21:20.56 | Iriel | g -> kg -> etc |
| 21:20.59 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, and that also defines length |
| 21:21.00 | grimman | I would much prefer a logical time system. |
| 21:21.26 | Kirkburn | The french almost gave us a 400 degree circle too |
| 21:21.35 | Kirkburn | They didn't manage to metricise time though |
| 21:21.52 | grimman | I dunno... 400 seems a bit random too. |
| 21:22.10 | Kirkburn | I say 'the french', but I use that in a very general sense, there was a lot of conferences on the matters |
| 21:22.23 | grimman | 1000 degrees seems alot and 100 is just too inaccurate I guess, but with decimals that wouldn't be a problem. ,P |
| 21:22.28 | Kirkburn | 400 is still taught in some places |
| 21:22.40 | grimman | 400, like I said, makes no sense. |
| 21:22.47 | zenzelezz | maybe time was never metricised because they could never agree on when the meetings were actually taking place |
| 21:22.48 | Kirkburn | 360 'works' because of how we defined time |
| 21:22.56 | Maldivia | 4 quarters, of 100 degrees? |
| 21:23.08 | grimman | Maldivia: Yes, obviously... but why define a quarter? |
| 21:23.27 | Kirkburn | To change a 360 degree circle, you would have to redefine time lengths |
| 21:23.43 | Iriel | Kirkburn : not really, you'd just have to deal with fractions |
| 21:23.54 | Iriel | zenzelezz : ha ha |
| 21:24.01 | Kirkburn | Well yes, but it's would mess up an awful lot of navigational stuff |
| 21:24.15 | Legorol | Iriel: did you get my question about EditBox? |
| 21:24.20 | Legorol | if not, do you mind me repeating myself? |
| 21:24.25 | Legorol | (or you scrolling back up?) |
| 21:24.30 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, that's probably truer than you think! |
| 21:24.42 | Maldivia | well, radian is used in most trigonomical calculations, instead of degrees |
| 21:24.58 | Kirkburn | Yeah radians is excellent for geometry |
| 21:25.14 | Kirkburn | But unless you want a day that is a multiple of Pi in length ... ? |
| 21:26.10 | Maldivia | 1 day = 2 pi :) |
| 21:26.24 | Kirkburn | It's Pi time! |
| 21:26.29 | Maldivia | in terms of revoltuions around the earths own axis |
| 21:26.33 | Maldivia | or well, more or less |
| 21:26.58 | Kirkburn | So midday would be Pi o'clock? |
| 21:27.12 | Cide | Pi would be for dessert (ha. ha) |
| 21:27.27 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: well, you don't say that it's 180 degree when it's noon... |
| 21:27.33 | Maldivia | so it wound not effect it at all |
| 21:27.55 | Kirkburn | True, but it would affect other stuff |
| 21:28.00 | Maldivia | that 360 is dividable by 24 is just luck :) |
| 21:28.02 | Thrae | Pi is what's for di^n(n^er). |
| 21:28.35 | Cide | bad jokes are in excess today, it seems! |
| 21:28.47 | Kirkburn | Imagine co-ordinate systems using Pi as a base ... |
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| 21:29.19 | Thrae | Cide: Any snorting/pimples resulting from these jokes does not necessarily make them bad ;) |
| 21:29.22 | Legorol | quite useful if you are going around in a circle, Kirkburn |
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| 21:29.34 | Legorol | you could travel 1 Pi, 2 Pi etc. around the circle ;-) |
| 21:29.34 | Kirkburn | Ah we all are sometimes :) |
| 21:30.08 | Kirkburn | Travelling 2 Pi around a circle seems a bit pointless really. Unless you're Richard Branson. |
| 21:30.14 | Thrae | Pi is part of the Circle Of Life. |
| 21:30.25 | AnduinLothar | pimples? |
| 21:31.01 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: All nerds have pimples, even if they're not visible! |
| 21:31.02 | Kirkburn | Now ... is it a coincidence that a Pie is often circular? |
| 21:31.08 | MoonWolf | threa you mean phi ? |
| 21:31.32 | Kirkburn | Phi Pho and Phum, no? |
| 21:31.42 | Kirkburn | Not forgetting Phee |
| 21:31.46 | Tain | Elton John invented Pi? |
| 21:31.53 | MoonWolf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio |
| 21:32.14 | Thrae | MoonWolf: But the Circle of Life is still a circle ;) |
| 21:32.22 | MoonWolf | yes yes it is. |
| 21:32.23 | Kirkburn | Pi's less famous sibling |
| 21:32.41 | Tain | The red-headed stepchild of mathematics. |
| 21:33.16 | Thrae | Phi is Pi's estranged brother who was last seen in 1952 at a frat party, drunk ontop of the sorietry sister Theta. |
| 21:33.26 | Kirkburn | The exceptionally beautiful red-headed child? |
| 21:33.43 | Tain | At least she wasn't an Omega Mu. |
| 21:33.57 | Thrae | Pie was also at the scene, stuffing himself as usual. |
| 21:34.51 | MoonWolf | what does pie eat? cake ? |
| 21:34.54 | Thrae | Haha, I only now get "Omega Mu"...I wonder how many college movies I've seen that use that? |
| 21:35.01 | Kirkburn | Alpha, Beta and Gamma kept spewing their toxic waste at everyone |
| 21:35.49 | Kirkburn | Delta wished he could be more like them |
| 21:35.58 | Thrae | Pie eats people, of course. It's the Circle Of Life! |
| 21:36.19 | Tain | Don't make Gamma angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry. |
| 21:36.31 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 21:36.41 | Thrae | Pie -> People -> Animals -> Other Animals -> Insects -> Candy -> Pie |
| 21:36.48 | Kirkburn | And don't let Beta near you, he's the worst |
| 21:36.53 | MoonWolf | candy eats pie ? |
| 21:37.13 | Thrae | Candy only scavenges Pie carcasses. |
| 21:37.53 | Tain | Candy eats anything if you pay her enough. |
| 21:38.02 | grimman | *cringe* Just tried one of those stat circle addons. Creepy stuff. |
| 21:38.04 | MoonWolf | bad pun. |
| 21:39.32 | grimman | Someone explain "Omega Mu" for me. |
| 21:40.19 | Kirkburn | People got the whole Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta thing, right? :) |
| 21:40.28 | Tain | It's just a bad, juvenille pun grimman. |
| 21:40.45 | Kirkburn | (Physics jokes ... simultaneously the best and worst. Quantum proves it.) |
| 21:40.55 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 21:40.56 | Tain | Schroedinger beat his cat. |
| 21:41.18 | MoonWolf | shcroedingers cat might have turned into a dog where chaos theory is concerned. |
| 21:41.23 | AnduinLothar | that's right under puree, right? |
| 21:41.46 | Kirkburn | You'll have to check to find out MoonWolf :) |
| 21:41.49 | AnduinLothar | chop, beat, puree, liquify |
| 21:42.29 | Kirkburn | Wha? |
| 21:42.31 | AnduinLothar | ... obliterate, demolecularize, disinstantiate |
| 21:42.42 | Kirkburn | oh. |
| 21:42.44 | AnduinLothar | chaos blender |
| 21:43.16 | Kirkburn | Ah, it all reminds me of Ronald Soak |
| 21:43.32 | Tain | That bastard hit me with a water balloon too. |
| 21:43.34 | Tain | I'm going to get him. |
| 21:44.24 | Kirkburn | He's only a milkman :( |
| 21:50.54 | grimman | Wiee @ 111 installed addons. |
| 21:55.03 | AnduinLothar | time to play! got LB Shoulders and Obsidion Edged Blade last night in mc :) |
| 21:55.50 | AnduinLothar | and saw XMen3. it was pretty good, love the sound in our locale multiplex. |
| 21:56.08 | Tain | Haven't seen any version for downlo.... er.. I havent' gotten to the theatre yet. |
| 21:56.24 | AnduinLothar | midnight showing was last night |
| 21:56.38 | Iriel | I tend to prefer watching movies at home, since I can avoid the idiots who talk during them |
| 21:57.00 | Tain | Since getting a widescreen tv I do also. |
| 21:57.17 | AnduinLothar | lol, i'm definitely an idiot then iriel |
| 21:57.47 | AnduinLothar | it's an atmosphere thing that you only get at midnight showings |
| 21:57.48 | Iriel | I orderd a 50" plasma for my birthday, watching movies at home is going to get a whole lot cooler soon |
| 21:57.57 | AnduinLothar | everyone's punchy and looking for a good time |
| 21:58.04 | zenzelezz | party at Iriel's place! |
| 21:58.22 | Tain | Nice Iriel. I'm going to pick one up next week, but I have a small place and am still teetering between 37" and 42". |
| 21:58.24 | Iriel | I saw midnight showings of the LoTR movies, those had a great vibe, but people were quiet during the actual film. |
| 21:58.26 | grimman | <3 the mem increase rate since I switched to FuBar. |
| 21:58.41 | AnduinLothar | i would watch more at home but the other tenants bang on my wall when i pump up my surround and turn on my 10" sub |
| 21:58.41 | Tain | Lucky plane. |
| 21:59.11 | AnduinLothar | that's cause lotr fans are actual fanatics |
| 21:59.24 | grimman | Speaking of memory... I have 512 megs of 333 MHz mem lying on my desk. Got 1 gig of 400 MHz in the compy. |
| 21:59.29 | Iriel | Tain: Until 4 years ago when I moved, my 34" widescreen crt was perfect sized, it's been feeling a bit small since then. |
| 21:59.30 | grimman | Is it worth plugging the slower one in? |
| 21:59.35 | AnduinLothar | this was a cartoon based film. there were 4 screens at one theater all sold out |
| 21:59.37 | Iriel | grimman : Probably not, no |
| 22:00.09 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
| 22:00.26 | grimman | Bleh... I hate having spare hardware. |
| 22:00.28 | Tain | Yeah Iriel, I'm not at all worried about buying a smaller screen if I think it's going to be better in that room. |
| 22:00.30 | grimman | ;) |
| 22:00.41 | Tain | Big screen in a small space is just asking for trouble. And neck pain. :) |
| 22:00.56 | Iriel | Going too large in a small room also looks crappy, since you end up too close and see the pixels |
| 22:01.29 | grimman | Neck pain? Pff. Get stools and trade neck pain for butt pain. |
| 22:01.30 | grimman | ;D |
| 22:02.02 | Iriel | I love NewEgg, my tv shipped already |
| 22:02.15 | grimman | =) |
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| 22:02.30 | grimman | I hate eBay-sellers. My iPod hasn't been delivered yet. |
| 22:02.54 | Iriel | I can't bring myself to do eBay for anything but those things that can't be found elsewhere |
| 22:03.18 | Iriel | Plus I have a 12 minute walk from my front door to an Apple store |
| 22:03.21 | grimman | Well, I saved something like £50 by buying it over eBay. |
| 22:03.22 | Tain | Nothing new, for me. Or that I'd rather have new. |
| 22:03.45 | grimman | Hm, getting an error from FuBar. |
| 22:04.39 | grimman | FuBarPlugin-1.2.lua:232: bad argument #1 to 'find' (string expected, got nil) |
| 22:08.59 | ckknight | grimman, use the svn version |
| 22:09.16 | grimman | URL? |
| 22:09.48 | Kirkburn | So, any of you lot seen Green Wing yet? |
| 22:10.45 | grimman | Kirkburn: I set out to download an ep. |
| 22:10.50 | grimman | Got to 8% or something. |
| 22:10.52 | grimman | Got bored. |
| 22:10.58 | grimman | Stopped it and played Halo. |
| 22:10.59 | Kirkburn | lol, useless! |
| 22:10.59 | Tem | Maldivia: you needed me? I was on my sudo-lunch break |
| 22:11.01 | ckknight | http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/FuBar |
| 22:11.06 | grimman | /hug ckknight |
| 22:11.14 | ckknight | sudo? |
| 22:11.22 | Kirkburn | pseudo? :P |
| 22:11.30 | grimman | /unhug ckknight |
| 22:11.36 | ckknight | ? |
| 22:11.36 | grimman | Authorization Required |
| 22:11.42 | ckknight | oh |
| 22:11.44 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 22:11.47 | ckknight | don't blame me |
| 22:11.50 | ckknight | blame cladhaire |
| 22:12.07 | grimman | Your URL, your blameage. |
| 22:12.11 | grimman | ;D |
| 22:12.13 | Maldivia | Tem: ohh, it was just about Counterspell, how long it's been mislabeled as Instant Cast... |
| 22:12.17 | Maldivia | if you know |
| 22:12.23 | Tem | not sure |
| 22:12.33 | Tem | but it's been an instant for a *long* time |
| 22:12.34 | grimman | Anywhere else I can get it? Random FTP? ICQ? DCC? |
| 22:12.39 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 22:13.03 | Maldivia | just noticed that it was listed as Instant Cast yesterday, when I was dragging spells to the hotbar on PTR :) |
| 22:13.09 | Tem | ah |
| 22:13.14 | Tem | made a hordeling? |
| 22:13.25 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 22:13.27 | Tem | sweet |
| 22:13.37 | Tem | when I get off work we need to do some BGs |
| 22:13.39 | Maldivia | and I can't find my way, at all :) |
| 22:13.45 | Tem | hehe |
| 22:14.10 | Maldivia | my highest horde is 19 :) |
| 22:14.23 | Tem | my highest horde is 27 |
| 22:14.29 | grimman | ckknight: Any chance you'll add loading of other character's profiles? |
| 22:14.38 | Tem | but I refuse to be a gnome |
| 22:14.38 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:14.44 | ckknight | once Ace2 comes out |
| 22:14.48 | grimman | Ah, nice. |
| 22:14.53 | ckknight | which is out of my control |
| 22:14.55 | Maldivia | I feel like such a noob runnung around in the capitals |
| 22:14.55 | Tem | that will be a default feature of Ace2 |
| 22:15.03 | grimman | Now, about that SVN version... gib alternate URL plix. ;D |
| 22:15.10 | ckknight | no |
| 22:15.18 | ckknight | I don't have one |
| 22:15.21 | grimman | Hm. |
| 22:15.27 | grimman | Lemme see what I can conjure up then. |
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| 22:15.48 | grimman | Once my file manager has deleted this massive folder. |
| 22:18.19 | cladhaire | you can't really conjure anything up =) the svn in inaccessible to anyone that doesn't have a login at the moment. |
| 22:18.21 | grimman | Can I assume you have the file saved locally or access to the SVN? |
| 22:18.32 | grimman | cladhaire: I can conjure, believe me. ;D |
| 22:18.53 | grimman | Mostly since I have my own web server that I can allow the nice Mr. ckknight to upload to. |
| 22:18.59 | zenzelezz | water plx |
| 22:19.17 | ckknight | cladhaire, why? |
| 22:19.39 | grimman | ckknight: Mind if I send you the URL in PM? |
| 22:19.41 | ckknight | crap |
| 22:19.47 | ckknight | sure |
| 22:21.53 | Maldivia | Tem: if only the PTR was up to test :| |
| 22:22.05 | Tem | it's down? |
| 22:22.06 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:25.02 | cladhaire | ckknight: Read the post in the ace forums |
| 22:25.30 | Kirkburn | I'm going to find some good Green Wing clips ... |
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| 22:29.08 | Maldivia | ohh well, I'll go to bed instead then |
| 22:29.10 | Maldivia | night all |
| 22:33.29 | ckknight_ | grimman, uploaded |
| 22:33.34 | Tain | Bed? Is that a raid instance? |
| 22:33.43 | grimman | ckknight: ty |
| 22:35.05 | Kirkburn | Hell yeah ... great clip coming up :) |
| 22:35.16 | Kirkburn | Explanation ... someone took his parking space .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyZKD78CMeU&search=green%20wing |
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| 22:41.41 | Kirov | wtf? |
| 22:42.12 | Codayus | Hey, a new error on the char copy page! |
| 22:42.28 | Codayus | There aren't any actual available chars listed... |
| 22:42.40 | Codayus | ...well, a new error is ALMOST as good as it working...right? |
| 22:45.33 | Kirkburn | Kirov? |
| 22:46.11 | Kirov | what is that from? |
| 22:49.15 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Crispix (n=Crispy@c-24-7-241-103.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 22:52.26 | Kirkburn | Green Wing, an excellent UK comedy. I'm watching it now, hence my tardyness :) |
| 22:54.53 | *** join/#wowi-lounge grimman (n=sco@h208n1fls35o916.telia.com) |
| 23:07.35 | Kirkburn | Christ, this guys found, uh, a few faults in Vista Beta 2 .. http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/24/windows-vista-feedback/#more-3614 |
| 23:15.11 | Kirkburn | Ahoy hoy! Thundgot posted this .... "A tidbit for you as we move into the weekend: the new forums are closing in on completion. We aim to start testing them, together with all of you, very soon. :)" |
| 23:15.33 | Kirkburn | Wooo, new forums!! |
| 23:15.38 | Kirkburn | Sometime!! |
| 23:15.44 | Kirkburn | Soonish!! |
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| 23:29.30 | zenzelezz | wonder if they did the easy thing and got a vBulletin licence :-p |
| 23:32.28 | MentalPower | or an Invision Power Board license |
| 23:33.05 | Gryphen | i'd bet on not |
| 23:33.32 | zenzelezz | phpBB? YaBB? |
| 23:37.31 | Cide | heh |
| 23:37.38 | Cide | I doubt any of those forums would handle the pressure |
| 23:37.54 | zenzelezz | yeah ;) |
| 23:38.05 | zenzelezz | I just hope the new forums make proper <title> tags |
| 23:38.27 | zenzelezz | or rather, that the content of those tags become more meaningful |
| 23:39.03 | zenzelezz | "Silvermoon - " doesm |
| 23:39.08 | zenzelezz | *doens't tell me a great deal |
| 23:39.45 | Kirkburn | They always do their own boards in-house |
| 23:40.13 | Kirkburn | Crazy, but I'm sure they, uh, have their reasons |
| 23:45.41 | *** join/#wowi-lounge purl (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 23:45.41 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Mod Dev Discussions. 1.11 PTR up |
| 23:56.58 | grimman | Rawr, pwned in F.E.A.R. again. ;D |
