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| 03:21.14 | cladhaire | damnit, tem ran away |
| 03:21.42 | Wobin_ | Oh |
| 03:21.44 | Wobin_ | Sea =) |
| 03:22.08 | Wobin_ | Sea has dropped it into the global namespace =) |
| 03:22.46 | AnduinLothar | mmm, shouldn't be |
| 03:22.47 | Wobin_ | I may have an old version |
| 03:22.47 | AnduinLothar | that's Sea.io.print |
| 03:22.48 | AnduinLothar | but i know a lot of addons that define print themselves |
| 03:22.51 | Wobin_ | hrm, that's true |
| 03:22.59 | Wobin_ | anyway, I'll go edit my post |
| 03:23.40 | haste | *cheers* |
| 03:24.07 | AnduinLothar | so I got Earth working |
| 03:24.12 | cladhaire | yay |
| 03:24.16 | cladhaire | how much change? |
| 03:24.19 | AnduinLothar | khaos itself has no bugs |
| 03:24.32 | AnduinLothar | well i had to update 6 or 7 files |
| 03:24.48 | AnduinLothar | but it was all in relation to the Button Text format change |
| 03:24.50 | cladhaire | relatively painless i hope? |
| 03:25.49 | AnduinLothar | tracking it down was a pain, but the updating wasn't too bad. Most of the things allowed for less code because we previously had to resize all three FontStrings, but now it's just Font objects with a single FontString |
| 03:26.39 | Wobin_ | I <3 that |
| 03:26.47 | Wobin_ | It makes things so much simpler |
| 03:27.16 | AnduinLothar | yes, it does. but i dont remember reading about it in warning in the change thread |
| 03:28.47 | Iriel | there was a big post about it |
| 03:29.02 | AnduinLothar | lazy.. unobservant... |
| 03:29.37 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 03:33.32 | AnduinLothar | am i crazy or can the minimap zoom out further? |
| 03:35.07 | Legorol | does anyone have experience using the Blizzard repair tool? |
| 03:35.30 | Legorol | Each time I run it, it comes up with a different list of files that are apparently corrupted |
| 03:36.01 | Legorol | if i let it download and repair stuff, it downloads a few files, then it claims it's repaired my WoW |
| 03:36.17 | Legorol | if i run it again, it finds more corrupted files (different ones) and proceeds to download those too |
| 03:36.19 | Legorol | what's going on? |
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| 03:36.58 | Iriel | Hm, is your hard drive happy? |
| 03:38.05 | Legorol | very |
| 03:38.11 | Legorol | it's a brand new one, bought a few weeks ago |
| 03:38.29 | Legorol | what's even stranger is that the Repair utility does this to a fresh install of WoW, off of a retail copy |
| 03:38.49 | Legorol | I have verified the retail media by copying the installer tomes to my HD and checking their MD5 sums |
| 03:38.53 | Wobin_ | maybe your repair util is the one thats corrupted? =) |
| 03:39.03 | Legorol | they check out, so I know my DVD is not damaged |
| 03:39.16 | Legorol | Wobin_: quite possibly |
| 03:42.53 | Tain | Maybe the repair utility has been drinking. |
| 03:43.13 | AnduinLothar | wow, never know yatlas had a full screen mode |
| 03:43.35 | AnduinLothar | too bad it's laggy when you zoom out a lot |
| 03:46.08 | AnduinLothar | heh, yatlas goes crazy on the new resized east plagues |
| 03:46.24 | Kaelten | ello |
| 03:46.33 | Legorol | hi |
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| 04:25.27 | Tain | good evening slouken |
| 04:25.40 | slouken | Hey Tain. :) |
| 04:26.27 | slouken | So is the sky falling yet? :) |
| 04:26.49 | Miravlix | Yes, but I mentioned that earlier. |
| 04:26.58 | slouken | :) |
| 04:27.08 | Tain | The sky has been falling for the last few weeks here in New England. |
| 04:27.11 | Tain | But it can't rain all the time. |
| 04:27.23 | slouken | *chuckle* |
| 04:27.34 | AnduinLothar | speaking of sky the new dymanic clouds are nifty |
| 04:28.28 | Tem | weren't they always like that? |
| 04:28.35 | Tem | just very, very slow change? |
| 04:28.38 | AnduinLothar | mmm, maybe.. |
| 04:28.52 | Miravlix | There is lots of Thunder in Teldrassil |
| 04:29.00 | Miravlix | I've never noticed it being that noisy there before |
| 04:29.01 | AnduinLothar | i dont remember the weather changing in between zones tho |
| 04:29.17 | Tem | hmm, is the login server down? |
| 04:29.25 | Tem | I'm unable to login to account management on the site |
| 04:30.08 | Tain | Actually I have to say I really liked the visuals of rain in Stranglethorn. |
| 04:30.38 | Tain | The combination of rain coming down, and mist from it, was really nice. |
| 04:30.57 | Iriel | Clouds have always been dynamic, yeah |
| 04:31.04 | AnduinLothar | lol |
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| 04:31.11 | AnduinLothar | lazy.. unobservant... |
| 04:31.24 | Tain | It can't rain all the time, the skies won't fall forever. |
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| 04:31.43 | Tem | yeah, on my 24 ish undead rogue, I was knocked off the zepplin by typical server nonsense in STV |
| 04:31.47 | Tem | when it was raining |
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| 04:31.50 | AnduinLothar | anyway, the Earth fixed all but like 2 cosmos bugs |
| 04:32.06 | Tem | I sat there for like... 40 minutes, just watching it rain |
| 04:32.31 | AnduinLothar | sct has a globals issue and MapNotes has the same button issue |
| 04:32.45 | AnduinLothar | but ya... login is fubar atm |
| 04:33.00 | ckknight | hooray for fubar |
| 04:33.02 | ckknight | hehe |
| 04:33.10 | Miravlix | How do I include spaces in SVN:Externals local directories? |
| 04:33.10 | Tain | No, hooray for booies. |
| 04:33.25 | AnduinLothar | surround in " |
| 04:33.29 | Tain | s/booies/boobies/ |
| 04:34.07 | Miravlix | Hmm, nope, doesn't like "Cosmos tests" |
| 04:36.34 | Tain | haha just found an old sig I made. I need to update it with a current character. |
| 04:36.34 | Tain | http://crushingdreams.com/images/Ming_SIG-1.jpg |
| 04:37.32 | ckknight | Tain, I agree. hooray for boobies. |
| 04:37.46 | ckknight | Miravlix, Cosmos\ tests |
| 04:37.50 | ckknight | maybe |
| 04:38.07 | Miravlix | I'll look it up in the documentation. :) |
| 04:38.13 | ckknight | okay |
| 04:38.42 | Miravlix | Well, I just used a _ instead of a space, to lazy to look it up right now. |
| 04:39.24 | ckknight | hehe |
| 04:39.25 | ckknight | that works |
| 04:39.27 | ckknight | ;-) |
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| 04:40.40 | Miravlix | I've grown quite fond of using my local SVN to setup SVN:Externals setups so I can Update everything at once |
| 04:41.08 | Iriel | Coincidently, playing with externals are on my list of things to play with this weekend |
| 04:41.31 | Miravlix | <directory> <svnurl> |
| 04:41.33 | Tain | The weekend is half over, better get on it. |
| 04:41.38 | Miravlix | It's simple |
| 04:41.50 | Miravlix | I wish you could do filename <svnurltoafilename> |
| 04:42.03 | Miravlix | But no can do, has to be directories. |
| 04:42.47 | ckknight | Iriel, they're handy. FuBar uses svn:externals quite a bit, there are like 17 in the FuBar directory alone |
| 04:42.50 | ckknight | hehe |
| 04:42.57 | ckknight | that does make things a bit slow, though |
| 04:43.05 | ckknight | but it's great for modularity |
| 04:43.22 | Iriel | I just need to know if they have any quirks |
| 04:43.38 | ckknight | Miravlix, what I do is have a Lib/ folder in my folders, that way I have an external to that and only that |
| 04:43.41 | Tem | I don't think you can specify a revision for the external |
| 04:43.46 | ckknight | and the Lib/ folder has a single lua file |
| 04:43.52 | ckknight | Tem, you don't |
| 04:44.00 | Miravlix | Yeah, Sea\SeaSpellbook |
| 04:44.03 | Tem | so if you ever update the lib beyond compatibility |
| 04:44.05 | Tem | ... |
| 04:44.25 | Miravlix | Then in the SeaSpellbook standalone I do SeaSpellbook\main pointing to Sea\SeaSpellbook |
| 04:44.35 | ckknight | Miravlix, what you'd basically do is have SeaSpellbook/ with your toc, readme, API, etc. then SeaSepllBook/Lib that contains SeaSpellbook.lua |
| 04:44.43 | ckknight | that's how I do it, at least |
| 04:45.01 | Miravlix | I have Toc, PostLibLoader, PreLibLoader |
| 04:45.21 | ckknight | what do those do? |
| 04:45.46 | ckknight | the loaders, I mean |
| 04:45.48 | Miravlix | My Sea.wow.spellbook.lua file isn't embedded, it's all in post/pre |
| 04:46.17 | Tain | You can extern to a tag though instead of current trunk which is a better idea (when someone uses tags) |
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| 04:46.53 | ckknight | Tain, yea, that's the only way, and typically a more stable way |
| 04:47.00 | ckknight | Miravlix, ah, okay then |
| 04:47.08 | ckknight | I like having all my libs embedded |
| 04:47.12 | ckknight | it's happy that way |
| 04:47.33 | Miravlix | There is no point it loading embedding code when the library isn't embedded |
| 04:47.43 | Miravlix | It just need to support an embedder loading after it. |
| 04:47.43 | ckknight | like a big old bundle of fluff that you want to hug and hug so hard that you accidentally break the puppy's spine |
| 04:48.09 | Tain | I want to complain about embedding since it has the potential to take up more harddrive space with multiple things using an enbedded lib but.. well it's hard to make a valid argument about drive space these days. |
| 04:48.10 | ckknight | I hugged it to hard |
| 04:48.42 | ckknight | Tain, my libs are like 50 KiB average, if that |
| 04:49.27 | Tain | I come from a world of everything existing on 360k floppy disks. I still have a minimalizing space mentality. |
| 04:50.00 | Iriel | 360K? You lucky devil! |
| 04:50.02 | Miravlix | I remember when a good program used 300 KB memory |
| 04:50.15 | Miravlix | Now you can't even load Hello, World in 300KB |
| 04:50.43 | Legorol | i remember when computers only *had* 64KB of memory |
| 04:50.44 | End | you can cheat and link shared |
| 04:50.48 | Tain | Actualy I only say 360k because I can't remember what the equivilent would have been in Commodore 64 floppy drives. |
| 04:50.57 | End | of course all the libraries end up making it big anyways :P |
| 04:51.04 | Miravlix | End: It still uses the libraries so thats part of the memory usage |
| 04:51.18 | Miravlix | Whatever external or in the exe file itself makes no difference. |
| 04:51.51 | End | hmmmmm |
| 04:52.03 | End | yeah |
| 04:52.15 | Miravlix | Windows Vista is 1 GB memory for the OS |
| 04:52.27 | Miravlix | Thats just insane. |
| 04:52.47 | End | I'd be surprised if you couldn't run it in less |
| 04:52.54 | End | it'd just be sucky as hell if you did |
| 04:52.57 | Miravlix | It can run in under 512 MB |
| 04:53.01 | Miravlix | But not well |
| 04:53.02 | Tain | It takes a lot of resources to prevent people from doing what they want to. |
| 04:53.02 | End | yeah |
| 04:53.06 | End | lol Tain |
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| 04:53.11 | End | good point :P |
| 04:53.26 | Wobin_ | 1gb? |
| 04:53.30 | Wobin_ | *frownyface* |
| 04:53.35 | End | (I think, I wouldn't be surprised if that was yet anbother thing they strip out of it |
| 04:53.44 | Miravlix | But when the OS uses 1 GB, then there is only 1 GB for software |
| 04:53.56 | Wobin_ | I'll be happy with that if they ship 1gb free memory with the OS =P |
| 04:54.01 | Miravlix | 2 GB memory limit on non 64 platforms |
| 04:54.31 | Legorol | why would memory limit be 2 GB? |
| 04:54.32 | End | 4gig actually |
| 04:54.32 | Legorol | it's 4 |
| 04:54.38 | Legorol | slightly less |
| 04:54.42 | Miravlix | Hmm, it's 2 GB in Windows XP |
| 04:54.43 | Legorol | around 3.5 |
| 04:54.50 | Miravlix | It can use the other 2 GB for cache |
| 04:54.50 | End | memory addresses aren't signed :P |
| 04:54.53 | Legorol | no Miravlix, it's 4 b in XP |
| 04:55.06 | Miravlix | Not for programs Leg. :) |
| 04:55.17 | Miravlix | It can use 4 GB for if 2 GB is cache |
| 04:55.18 | Legorol | in practice, it is slightly less than 4 Gb |
| 04:55.42 | End | yeah |
| 04:55.43 | ckknight_ | the theoretical limit for RAM on a 32-bit system is 4 GiB |
| 04:55.46 | Miravlix | Windows XP 64 don't have that issue. |
| 04:55.52 | ckknight_ | pragmatically, it's less than that |
| 04:56.23 | Legorol | i don't know about how Windows XP perceives a 4Gb machine, as i haven't actually tried |
| 04:56.27 | Legorol | so Miravlix could be right |
| 04:56.29 | Tain | Windows XP 64 doesn't have that issue. Of course it introduces a slew of other issues. |
| 04:56.31 | Miravlix | I was considering 4 GB for my new system. |
| 04:56.37 | Legorol | i just find it hard to beleive that XP wouldn't be able to handle 4Gb |
| 04:56.41 | Miravlix | But then I read about Windows XP only using 2 GB |
| 04:56.51 | Legorol | do you have a linkie? |
| 04:56.55 | Miravlix | And shelved the idea |
| 04:57.10 | Legorol | frankly, if it's not from MS, i wouldn't trust random reviews |
| 04:57.24 | Miravlix | You trust MS? |
| 04:57.38 | Legorol | i trust MS more than I trust 3rd party reviews, with a few exceptions |
| 04:57.48 | Legorol | i don't mean reviews |
| 04:57.49 | ckknight_ | about their own operating system |
| 04:57.51 | Legorol | i mean technical data |
| 04:58.38 | Miravlix | I didn't write it down, but I did quite a bit of research when I was getting my new system, to see what to get. |
| 04:58.46 | Legorol | fiar enough |
| 04:59.57 | Miravlix | http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2001oct/bch20011002008144.htm |
| 04:59.57 | Miravlix | Google |
| 05:01.59 | Miravlix | This 4GB space is evenly divided into two parts, with 2GB dedicated for kernel usage, and 2GB left for application usage. Each application gets its own 2GB, but all applications have to share the same 2GB kernel space. |
| 05:02.35 | Miravlix | So for programs, they have 2 GB memory. |
| 05:03.41 | Tain | Well whatever system needs more memory to let me actually log in gets my vote. |
| 05:04.53 | Legorol | Miravlix, where did you find that quote? i don't see it on that page, but it's rather intriguing |
| 05:05.05 | Legorol | i do see people discussing Windows 98 etc. |
| 05:05.07 | Miravlix | http://www.brianmadden.com/content/content.asp?ID=69 |
| 05:06.50 | Miravlix | I use 200K kernel memory |
| 05:07.15 | Miravlix | So having 2 GB Physical memory for 200K kenel + cache seems pointless |
| 05:07.18 | Legorol | ok i see, that's an interesting article |
| 05:07.37 | Legorol | however, it doesn't say that your applications can't use more than 2GB in total |
| 05:07.47 | Legorol | all it says is that an *individual* application can't use more than 2gb |
| 05:08.04 | Legorol | two applications can use 1.5gb each |
| 05:08.09 | Miravlix | You can use page swapping |
| 05:08.17 | Miravlix | If you have multiple 4 GB memory |
| 05:08.30 | Miravlix | But it can't split up one 4 GB segment |
| 05:08.48 | Miravlix | You can put 64 GB memory in a 32 bit computer |
| 05:09.10 | Miravlix | Don't know any motherboards supporting it though, but I think Windows XP does |
| 05:09.26 | Miravlix | Then they can Page Swap between 4 GB segments |
| 05:09.37 | Miravlix | Takes a insane amount of time |
| 05:10.04 | Miravlix | Thats why 64 bit is needed for accessing more, so you get the full address range in one page |
| 05:13.37 | Miravlix | Now what I don't know is if Windows XP has the same 2 GB Kernel address space, 18 Terabytes Program address space. (64 applications only) |
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| 05:14.21 | Miravlix | But from the sound of it, 2 GB is the practical memory limit in Windows. |
| 05:14.53 | Miravlix | Except if you have a need for 2 GB cache for a fileserver. |
| 05:16.45 | Legorol | i think you are confusing virtual and physical address space |
| 05:16.58 | Legorol | let's say your computer has 4GB of physical RAM sticks installed |
| 05:17.14 | Legorol | you can then run several applications. each individual application can use a maximum of 2Gb of memory |
| 05:17.20 | Legorol | but together, they can use more than that |
| 05:17.33 | Legorol | e.g. two applications together can use 3 Gb, without having to swap to the hard disk |
| 05:18.13 | Legorol | the 2Gb kernel limit is an upper limit on how much the kernel can use, it's not how much it always takes off of the physical RAM |
| 05:19.44 | Miravlix | It has to address the memory |
| 05:20.02 | Miravlix | So it sets up 2 GB to be addressable by the kernel |
| 05:20.36 | Legorol | do you know how virtual address space vs. physical addresses work in Windows? |
| 05:20.51 | Legorol | the 2GB addressable by the kernel is a *virtual* address space |
| 05:20.59 | Legorol | it has nothing to do with the physical ram |
| 05:21.25 | Miravlix | On a 32 bit system, you have 4 GB of addresses |
| 05:21.29 | Legorol | yes |
| 05:21.36 | Miravlix | Virtually it's a completely different story |
| 05:21.36 | Legorol | you have 4GB of *virtual* addresses |
| 05:22.49 | Legorol | you can have more than 4Gb of physical storage. e.g. a machine with 1 Gb physical RAM sticks and a 6 Gb swap file on the hard disk has 7 Gb total of storable information |
| 05:23.02 | Legorol | what matters is how much a program can see at a time, which is 4 Gb |
| 05:23.08 | cladhaire | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_memory really explains it all |
| 05:23.16 | Miravlix | http://www.brianmadden.com/content/content.asp?ID=69 |
| 05:23.21 | cladhaire | <3 memory management.. the BSD subsystem is crazy =) |
| 05:24.34 | cladhaire | Miravlix: As far as the specific windows implementatino, that article is correct as far as I understand. |
| 05:25.32 | Miravlix | The virtual address space is devided into 2 GB kernel memory and 2 GB application memory in Windows XP |
| 05:25.42 | cladhaire | yes, so says the article. |
| 05:25.47 | Miravlix | The 2 GB kernel memory is shared among all applications |
| 05:25.51 | Legorol | yes |
| 05:25.54 | cladhaire | correct |
| 05:25.58 | Legorol | so the kernel can't use more than 2 Gb |
| 05:26.05 | Legorol | but that's an upper limit |
| 05:26.24 | Legorol | this doesn't mean that your *physical* ram is divided into two parts, one for applications and one for the kernel |
| 05:26.51 | Legorol | that 2gb division is occurring in the virtual address space |
| 05:29.47 | Legorol | What that articles is saying is this: If you have two applications, each with its own 4 Gb of virtual address space, the 2 Gb kernel portion of that address space is shared between the two apps |
| 05:30.16 | Legorol | the other 2 Gb is not shared between the two apps, each app gets its own 2 Gb |
| 05:30.28 | Legorol | and the kernel doesn't have to use 2 Gb of *physical* memory if it's not in demand |
| 05:30.54 | Legorol | the 2Gb kernel portion of the virtual address space doesn't all have to have physical memory allocated to it |
| 05:33.31 | Legorol | You have to remember that when you say that an application gets 4 Gb of virtual address space, it means that's the amount of memory it can use at most. In practice, a normal app uses much less memory than that, but it still sees it as if it was the only application running in a computer with 4 Gb of memory |
| 05:34.02 | Legorol | it is up to the OS to make sure that, if necessary, there is real physical memory behind any part of that 4 Gb address space that an application is actually using |
| 05:34.18 | Legorol | ah well i'm probably not making sense here |
| 05:34.22 | Legorol | i'll go to sleep, g'night |
| 05:34.57 | Miravlix | There is some issues, sutch as needing continues memory and other stuff. |
| 05:35.37 | Miravlix | But I can't find a definitive guide on how Windows XP deal with 4 GB physical memory right now. |
| 05:37.18 | Miravlix | But to the best of my knowglede you can't swap out kernel memory |
| 05:41.03 | Miravlix | Only core parts of the operating system kernel bypass this address translation and use real memory addresses directly. |
| 05:41.23 | Miravlix | Found some details on it, kernel use physical addresses, not virtual. |
| 05:52.48 | Legorol | hm, couldn't quite go to sleep without checking what the MSDN library has to say on this |
| 05:52.53 | Legorol | if you are interested, start from here: |
| 05:52.54 | Legorol | http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/memory/base/virtual_address_space.asp?frame=true |
| 05:53.19 | Legorol | read the "Virtual Address Space" sections |
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| 05:57.54 | Elkano | woken up hours too early by an emergency that wasn't one here I am: good morning |
| 05:58.25 | fatbrain | Anyone into Spell.dbc? |
| 06:00.59 | Elkano | fatbrain -> http://www.wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/Spell.dbc |
| 06:01.06 | Elkano | hope that helps |
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| 06:33.45 | Shouryuu | boo |
| 06:35.00 | Shouryuu | http://ui.worldofwar.net/images/ui/1148168941Critman%20Screen1.jpg http://ui.worldofwar.net/images/ui/1148168941CritmanScreen%202.jpg that guy is a genius |
| 06:35.13 | Shouryuu | and I am sooo holding on to this site http://blambot.com/ |
| 06:38.15 | ckknight | cooltastic, Shouryuu |
| 06:38.27 | ckknight | I want a big "Kapow" above my head when I crit |
| 06:38.35 | Shouryuu | Same :P |
| 06:39.33 | Mr_Rabies2|away | rofl, my SCT uses the comic-ish font too |
| 06:39.44 | Mr_Rabies2|away | *downloads* |
| 06:42.36 | fatbrain | Elkano: that's outdated. |
| 06:42.55 | Elkano | hmm... k |
| 06:43.42 | fatbrain | there's 170 columns in the dbc, wowguru only describes 167. |
| 06:43.53 | fatbrain | I blame zeeg ^-^ |
| 06:45.09 | Mr_Rabies2|away | i need to find the "shapeshifting" sound in the files somewhere :[ |
| 06:45.41 | Mr_Rabies2|away | i want to change it to the classic "eank-erk-erk" transformers noise :D |
| 06:47.43 | AnduinLothar | Critman is great... i crit soo much.. |
| 06:48.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | my drood's up to like ~33% now |
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| 06:48.24 | AnduinLothar | got my pally to 24% unbuffed |
| 06:48.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | testing a mirc script, sorry if it flips out, i'm still really rusty :P |
| 06:48.55 | yams | hrm. |
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| 06:49.57 | Shouryuu | http://blambot.com/fonts.shtml are quite nice |
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| 07:29.21 | Elkano | btw: with "find traps" becoming passiv, how will the rogue's quest in Hillsbrad Foothills work? It has to be changed somehow since it's pointless if you allways see that trap... |
| 07:31.29 | Miravlix | The trick is to avoid the chest in that quest. |
| 07:31.54 | Miravlix | Since everyone and there mother can already look that up on thottbot there isn't really a point to the quest anyway |
| 07:32.25 | Miravlix | Static 'tricks' only matters to the 3 first players that try it |
| 07:35.46 | Elkano | not everybody does a lookup on thott or allakazham before each quest... some enjoy not knowing what will happen |
| 07:37.26 | Shouryuu | That's absurd! |
| 07:44.41 | AnduinLothar | any wardrobe requests while I'm updating? |
| 07:49.12 | Miravlix | Make it give free beer? |
| 07:49.27 | Shouryuu | I win button? |
| 07:51.18 | Shouryuu | What is a Celestial Orb? |
| 07:51.21 | Shouryuu | An off hand? |
| 07:53.26 | Shouryuu | Apparently |
| 07:53.48 | Elkano | -> http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=7515 |
| 07:54.00 | Shouryuu | Yup took a look |
| 07:57.05 | Shouryuu | Ok I need to keep a value oscilating between 1 and 2 in as few characters as possible, what's the best way? |
| 07:58.08 | Shouryuu | ok found out |
| 07:58.52 | Shouryuu | Someone needs to write a puging in firefox to count the number of chars in your selection... |
| 07:58.58 | Elkano | sin(x) + 1? |
| 07:59.23 | Shouryuu | smart |
| 08:00.13 | Shouryuu | although b[k+1] k=1-k takes less chars |
| 08:00.24 | Shouryuu | than b[k] k=sin(k)+1 |
| 08:01.44 | Elkano | well, depends on the kind of oscilation you need :) |
| 08:02.15 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 08:02.25 | Shouryuu | your's was fancier, I will hold on to that one:P |
| 08:03.00 | Shouryuu | ahhh 50 chars too long |
| 08:03.01 | Elkano | well, but you have to ajust sin so it gives you the values you need wrt the parameter |
| 08:03.19 | Elkano | oh, macro coding? :) |
| 08:03.22 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 08:03.41 | Shouryuu | I'm trying to do something too fancy anyways |
| 08:05.53 | Shouryuu | can you put stuff like "end" as a variable, like "a=end if somestuff then somemorestuff a"? |
| 08:08.13 | Elkano | no, since it's a variable and not a define it would result in a syntax error |
| 08:08.54 | Shouryuu | ok |
| 08:09.18 | Elkano | so should write macrotools giving you iif(condition, true clause, false clause) ;) |
| 08:09.34 | Shouryuu | I hate it how on the boards ,j looks like a single j :P |
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| 08:27.24 | Shouryuu | 271 chars... |
| 08:28.45 | ckknight | print it here |
| 08:29.01 | Shouryuu | I don't think it's shortenable anymore |
| 08:29.12 | ckknight | just print it here |
| 08:29.34 | Shouryuu | He wants to use his Celestail Orb on first click, mana agate on second, and mana potion on third |
| 08:29.36 | Shouryuu | script b,c,e={"a Agate","a Potion"} ,string.find,2 e=math.mod(e+1,3) if e==0 and GetInventoryItemLink(c("player",17),"Cele") then UseInventoryItem(17) end if e~=0 then for i=0,4 do for j=1,16 do if d(GetContainerItemLink(i,j),b[e]) then UseContainerItem(i,j) end end end |
| 08:30.00 | ckknight | string.find -> strfind |
| 08:30.31 | Shouryuu | I could take out the name finding thing and force him to manualy put the items into specific slots, that wouldn't be as fancy! |
| 08:30.51 | Shouryuu | 10 more chars now :P |
| 08:31.18 | ckknight | change e==0 to e<1 |
| 08:31.25 | ckknight | and e~=0 to e>0 |
| 08:31.42 | Shouryuu | smart :P |
| 08:31.52 | ckknight | you can put letters after numbers, a la 0and |
| 08:31.54 | Shouryuu | 264 chars, so close |
| 08:32.01 | Shouryuu | a cool |
| 08:32.12 | ckknight | and letters after symbols |
| 08:32.13 | ckknight | )end |
| 08:32.46 | Shouryuu | haha 256 :P |
| 08:32.55 | ckknight | print out what you have |
| 08:33.04 | Shouryuu | script b,c,e={"a Agate","a Potion"},stfind,2 e=math.mod(e+1,3)if e<1and GetInventoryItemLink(c("player",17),"Cele")then UseInventoryItem(17)end if e>0then for i=0,4 do for j=1,16 do if d(GetContainerItemLink(i,j),b[e])then UseContainerItem(i,j)end end end |
| 08:33.11 | ckknight | strfind, not stfind |
| 08:33.17 | Shouryuu | yeah just saw that =( |
| 08:33.33 | Shouryuu | that sucks |
| 08:33.35 | ckknight | okay, you reset e each time? |
| 08:34.02 | ckknight | and math.mod => mod |
| 08:34.07 | Shouryuu | Theerre we go :P |
| 08:34.23 | ckknight | 4 do -> 4do |
| 08:34.27 | ckknight | 16 do -> 16do |
| 08:34.40 | Shouryuu | wasn't sure we could do that |
| 08:34.43 | Shouryuu | cool thanks =D |
| 08:35.15 | Shouryuu | 251, you rock |
| 08:36.19 | ckknight | btw, your logic seems flawed to me |
| 08:36.25 | Shouryuu | awwww |
| 08:36.39 | ckknight | you set e at the beginning each time |
| 08:36.52 | ckknight | and then right after, you set e to mod(e+1,3) => 0 |
| 08:37.15 | Shouryuu | oh true dat |
| 08:37.29 | Shouryuu | i thought it would only set e if it didn't have a value |
| 08:39.06 | ckknight | nope |
| 08:39.16 | ckknight | easy fix |
| 08:39.22 | ckknight | e or2 |
| 08:39.42 | Shouryuu | e=mod(e+1,3) or2? |
| 08:39.46 | ckknight | no |
| 08:40.18 | ckknight | script b,c,e={"a Agate","a Potion"},stfind,e or2 e=mod(e+1,3)if e<1and GetInventoryItemLink(c("player",17),"Cele")then UseInventoryItem(17)end if e>0then for i=0,4do for j=1,16do if d(GetContainerItemLink(i,j),b[e])then UseContainerItem(i,j)end end end |
| 08:40.35 | Shouryuu | ah |
| 08:40.42 | Shouryuu | thank you very much :P |
| 08:40.57 | ckknight | err, strfind, not stfind |
| 08:41.09 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 08:41.27 | Shouryuu | the asshole I wrote it for better try it or I'll be pissed! |
| 08:41.33 | ckknight | hehe |
| 08:42.06 | Shouryuu | and while I have your attention, will doing "a=5 for i=1,a do a=i" loop once, or forever? |
| 08:42.34 | ckknight | once, afaik |
| 08:42.43 | Shouryuu | Coll thanks :P |
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| 08:45.13 | Elkano | ~seen Maldivia |
| 08:45.34 | purl | maldivia <i=the_real@85.24.45.55> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 17h 26m 17s ago, saying: 'hmm, next time blizzard should put the eu and us ptr copy on different servers... :)'. |
| 08:45.56 | Elkano | why do I allways miss her :/ |
| 09:04.36 | Shouryuu | rawr out |
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| 09:48.15 | AnduinLothar | not reall sure why it wasn't this way to begin with, but Khaos now allows for ordered lists as dropdowns |
| 09:48.47 | AnduinLothar | of course, it conserves backqward compat for unordered tables as well |
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| 10:10.53 | grimman | 'Morning. |
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| 10:16.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wow |
| 10:17.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i open the khaos pane on the test realm, and it's like "[ ] Hey hey Low----[ ]----High" |
| 10:17.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | over and over |
| 10:19.23 | AnduinLothar | in text realm, ya |
| 10:19.33 | AnduinLothar | cause erth was broken |
| 10:19.48 | AnduinLothar | those are just the defaults with all the frames visible |
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| 10:20.27 | AnduinLothar | I fixed earth, but it's only on svn 1.11 branch atm |
| 10:20.40 | AnduinLothar | cause it doesn't work with 1.10 obviously |
| 10:21.09 | Corrodias | and AnduinLothar suddenly surpasses Iriel in scripting reputation as he suddenly reveals his fix for the entire earth. |
| 10:21.23 | Corrodias | how sudden |
| 10:22.02 | AnduinLothar | ya, just have to fix the button templates |
| 10:22.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
| 10:22.11 | AnduinLothar | Earth is full of buttons |
| 10:22.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | stop revealing secrets of the universe over irc |
| 10:23.02 | Corrodias | ugh.. my video card fan just started making a whole new noise. it's going to die, soon. |
| 10:23.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | the fan on mine died a while back |
| 10:23.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | had to replace it |
| 10:23.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | what kind of card do you have? |
| 10:23.41 | Corrodias | geforce 4600 with some aftermarket cooler from the retail place that sold it to me |
| 10:23.48 | AnduinLothar | meh, Khaos really wasn't meat to handle the kind of dropdown I'm forcing it into |
| 10:23.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | same thing, only default cooloer |
| 10:23.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | cooler* |
| 10:24.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | lemme link you to a nice cooler for like 15 bucks |
| 10:24.19 | Corrodias | excellent. now, let's see if our power line can handle my new computer as well as these other two. |
| 10:24.48 | AnduinLothar | my electricity bill was 100$ this month... 3 room apt.. O.o |
| 10:25.21 | AnduinLothar | normally like $50-60 |
| 10:25.28 | Corrodias | heh |
| 10:25.29 | AnduinLothar | i blame sumem rmonths |
| 10:25.36 | AnduinLothar | summer months |
| 10:26.02 | AnduinLothar | everyone else using their air conditioners driving up prices for poor old me just using a fan... |
| 10:26.14 | AnduinLothar | stupid fridge eats energy too |
| 10:26.26 | AnduinLothar | and prolly the 3 computers had something to do with it |
| 10:28.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | blarg i can't find it on newegg or xoxide, its called an nvsilencer 1 |
| 10:28.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | by arctic cooling |
| 10:29.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | cheap, does the job well, and probably cheaper than buying a new card when yours goes out |
| 10:29.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.case-mod.com/store/arctic-cooling-silencer-rev-revision-p-1809.html?src=fr |
| 10:30.53 | Corrodias | by the way, i'm using two routers, in this setup. <3 |
| 10:31.47 | Corrodias | i don't trust my parents' computer to stay free of viruses and exploits, so i have my other two on another router connected through the one theirs is on |
| 10:32.50 | Corrodias | and thanks for linking me |
| 10:33.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | can't tell you if the site is reliable or not, but the part is |
| 10:33.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | search around, maybe you can get one on the cheap |
| 10:34.00 | Corrodias | case-mod... i believe i may have bought one of my fans from there |
| 10:34.12 | Corrodias | oh, here's a fun little anecdote: |
| 10:34.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | best part is that it uses the default fan power cable thing, so you don't have to use a molex |
| 10:34.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it runs fine on it |
| 10:34.39 | Corrodias | i tried putting a cutout and flattened piece of heater filter in front of the high-output fan that blows directly onto my hard drives. |
| 10:34.42 | Corrodias | zero air flow |
| 10:35.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i broke a capacitor off my geforce 2 |
| 10:35.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | er, 4 |
| 10:35.17 | Corrodias | that doesn't sound good |
| 10:35.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's been running almost 2 years no problem |
| 10:35.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | minus a capacitor |
| 10:35.28 | Corrodias | yeah, just wait till the vertex shaders kick in, yo |
| 10:35.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i also spilled soda on it, and didn't know, it ran a good month before i realized it and cleaned it off with alcohol |
| 10:36.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | this card was like made in soviet russia i swear |
| 10:36.13 | Corrodias | heh |
| 10:36.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've as of late replaced it with a 6800 ultra, but still, it holds a special place in my heart |
| 10:37.46 | Corrodias | say, could i have it? lol |
| 10:37.57 | Corrodias | no, i kid! |
| 10:39.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i spent freaking 400 bucks on this ti4600 back in the day :[ |
| 10:39.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | now it's worth like, 50 |
| 10:39.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i spent 150 on the 6800 though :D |
| 10:39.36 | AnduinLothar | same with my 9800 pro |
| 10:42.15 | Corrodias | ordering and installing a new fan will cost less. sigh. |
| 10:43.07 | Corrodias | i wonder what would happen if i put the filter before the fan.. |
| 10:43.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm, AL, do you know how the cosmos patcher stores it's stuff? can i just copy it to the wowtest folder and change what svn i want to use and it'll work fine for that one .exe? |
| 10:44.32 | Corrodias | eh... just amusing results of the filter hitting the fan and leaping in my hands |
| 10:44.42 | Corrodias | this thing makes an incredible amount of noise, though. >:/ |
| 10:45.01 | AnduinLothar | mm, think you just have to repick your wow folder as the test folder |
| 10:45.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine sounded like a saw |
| 10:45.18 | AnduinLothar | but earth wont work on test atm |
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| 10:52.38 | Corrodias | my new mousepad is a cutting board. |
| 10:53.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | nice |
| 10:53.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's essentially what a ratpadz is |
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| 10:57.32 | Corrodias | i was considering getting one of those, but the reputation of wearing down concerned me |
| 10:57.47 | Corrodias | i can't assume a cutting board will fare better, though |
| 10:58.14 | Corrodias | still, it kicks way more ass than the book with a piece of plastic taped on its top that i was using before |
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| 11:58.19 | Industrial | :') |
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| 12:37.12 | Shouryuu | I;m going sligthly maad! |
| 12:37.33 | grimman | Trying to register shapeshifting events? ;P |
| 12:37.47 | Shouryuu | almost but no |
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| 12:43.50 | grimman | Uh huh. |
| 12:43.58 | Shouryuu | uhuh! |
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| 14:32.00 | Kirkburn | Good afternoon ... how're the PTRs today? |
| 14:33.19 | Wobin_ | absorbing, probalby |
| 14:37.10 | Kirkburn | Seems so |
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| 15:11.06 | Kirkburn | Lol "Please be aware that there is currently no way to exit Naxxramas short of a mage portal, hearthstone, or death." |
| 15:11.18 | Kirkburn | Now how did I manage to make that bold? |
| 15:12.04 | wereHamster | I'm doing this in the OnEvent handler... :-P event = nil; arg1 = "target"; this:GetScript("OnEvent")() |
| 15:14.51 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 15:15.16 | Elkano | have you found anyone to provide frFR strings for EnchantMe, yet? |
| 15:15.32 | Maldivia | nope |
| 15:16.14 | Elkano | would you mind putting the current version with deDE live? |
| 15:16.43 | Maldivia | sure, let me upload it |
| 15:17.11 | Elkano | <3 |
| 15:23.41 | Maldivia | should be there, when approved |
| 15:26.16 | Elkano | <3 |
| 15:31.09 | Maldivia | If I have misspelled something (the categories), let me know, and I'll fix it :) |
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| 15:34.06 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 15:38.55 | Cairenn|sleep | approved |
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| 16:04.24 | Shouryuu|Crazy | rawwr |
| 16:07.51 | Kirkburn | Hullo! |
| 16:08.17 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I feel so godly! |
| 16:08.26 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I'm explaining programming ot my classmates! |
| 16:08.30 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I am a god amongst men! |
| 16:08.45 | Kirkburn | Hehe |
| 16:08.47 | Kirkburn | Nice :D |
| 16:09.05 | Shouryuu|Crazy | y=0 for i=0,10 do y=y*x+i end "OMG! WTF IS DAT!" |
| 16:09.07 | Kirkburn | It's fun isn't it :) |
| 16:09.08 | Shouryuu|Crazy | I feel so special! |
| 16:09.27 | Kirkburn | Sunday threads on the Blizz boards, when stupidity reaches new levels - "Give us offline mode!" |
| 16:09.36 | Shouryuu|Crazy | hehehe |
| 16:09.41 | Kirkburn | "Make blink crit!" |
| 16:10.04 | Kirkburn | Actually the second one isn't too stupid, but the thread is :P |
| 16:10.19 | Kirkburn | Your Summon Felhunter crits for 2 |
| 16:10.49 | Kirkburn | Your Undercity Teleport crits. The city is ported to you |
| 16:11.23 | Kirkburn | Your Vanish crits. You have disconnected from the server. |
| 16:11.52 | zenzelezz | Your Rend crits. Your opponent has been permanently dismembered. |
| 16:12.08 | Kirkburn | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general-en&T=974325 |
| 16:12.09 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 16:12.45 | Kirkburn | Your post critted. |
| 16:12.47 | Kirkburn | Your post critted. |
| 16:12.48 | Kirkburn | Your post critted. |
| 16:13.13 | [MoonWolf] | You gain 2 posts from windfury post! |
| 16:14.16 | Kirkburn | Imagine critting with conjure water :P "The world's sea levels rise by 5 metres" |
| 16:14.44 | zenzelezz | Your Power Word: Shield crits. You can now wear plate. |
| 16:14.49 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 16:15.06 | [MoonWolf] | Your vanish crits, you are permanantly invisible. |
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| 16:37.14 | ToastTheif | what's the WoWGuru channel? |
| 16:37.28 | Shouryuu|Crazy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.45 | Cairenn | ToastTheif: go to the wowguru board and find out |
| 16:38.06 | ToastTheif | Im trying =P |
| 16:41.00 | ToastTheif | there needs to be a contact us link or something |
| 16:42.14 | ToastTheif | is the ace channel not ##ace? |
| 16:42.45 | Cairenn | #wowace |
| 16:42.51 | ToastTheif | bah |
| 16:42.54 | ToastTheif | I knew that |
| 16:53.46 | ToastTheif | well I found it |
| 16:53.51 | ToastTheif | but zeeg is not there, so oh well |
| 17:03.59 | krka | Cairenn, your email never got through |
| 17:04.15 | Cairenn | krka: weird |
| 17:04.39 | Cairenn | krka: but, you don't need it any longer, you have alternate access to the info |
| 17:04.41 | krka | try my gmail? kristofer.karlsson@gmail.com |
| 17:04.44 | krka | ah cool |
| 17:05.03 | Cairenn | that other medium |
| 17:10.30 | Industrial | What does agi mean for a rogue? |
| 17:11.19 | krka | agility |
| 17:11.26 | krka | actually, that's what it means for all classes |
| 17:34.53 | Industrial | i love those weapons |
| 17:35.01 | Industrial | they need more kinds of weapons in wow |
| 17:35.13 | Industrial | dont care if they are counted as blunt, flails own |
| 17:35.22 | Industrial | and chains and shit |
| 17:35.27 | Industrial | and way more knuckle weapons |
| 17:37.02 | krka | i want a gnomish chain-saw |
| 17:41.41 | Kirkburn | Oh, cool ... Burning Crusade I hadn't seen before: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3557126813592994654&q=burning+crusade |
| 17:41.51 | Kirkburn | He goes loads of places |
| 17:42.05 | Kirkburn | Nagrand, Terokkar, Kharazan, lots :) |
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| 17:47.43 | ckknight | cool |
| 17:48.44 | krka | hmm... wow really seems to have it's own limit in editbox text length |
| 17:48.57 | krka | and setmaxbytes/letters won't override |
| 17:49.13 | Crispix | erm.. |
| 17:49.21 | Crispix | Does anyone here know what level Pallies get res? |
| 17:49.29 | Crispix | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/spelllist.html?class=Paladin doesn't seem to have that info |
| 17:49.47 | Crispix | Ooh |
| 17:49.48 | Crispix | wait |
| 17:49.50 | Crispix | never mind :D |
| 17:49.53 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Depherios (n=Deph@67.189.88.161) |
| 17:49.55 | Crispix | wasn't reading right -_- |
| 17:50.16 | krka | 7545 seems to the limit |
| 17:50.17 | krka | odd |
| 17:50.26 | krka | way too little to me :( |
| 17:55.26 | *** part/#wowi-lounge AndreasB (i=belitz@tctk.net) |
| 17:56.19 | Kirkburn | Lol, politics is fun :D http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5001414.stm |
| 17:59.28 | End | hmm, I can't get blizz's target of target to work consistantly |
| 17:59.36 | krka | in what way? |
| 17:59.40 | End | I saw it once when it wasn't even on |
| 18:00.00 | End | now |
| 18:00.05 | End | I turned it on, and it won't show up |
| 18:00.14 | krka | turned what on? |
| 18:00.32 | End | the target of target option in interface options |
| 18:00.58 | krka | ah, i see, never tried that one |
| 18:01.06 | krka | but the api functions for targettarget work perfectly |
| 18:01.35 | End | well yeah, normally I use ctmod's frame to do it |
| 18:02.15 | End | hrm |
| 18:04.29 | End | oh |
| 18:04.37 | haste | the ToT in the blizz UI is raid only tho' |
| 18:04.40 | End | it only works in party or raid? o_O |
| 18:04.56 | haste | raid |
| 18:05.11 | End | it says party or raid |
| 18:06.12 | haste | okey, it was party also |
| 18:06.17 | haste | just checked the code :p |
| 18:06.28 | haste | I haven't been able to login myself yet :( |
| 18:06.48 | End | I'm logged in right now |
| 18:09.02 | haste | I remembered wrong from when I looked at it earlier today |
| 18:21.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:21.14 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 18:27.09 | krka | gah... this limitation seems so extremely random |
| 18:27.29 | krka | (editbox text rendering gets screwed up at 7546 bytes or more for me) |
| 18:28.43 | zenzelezz | is it for your in-game editor you're seeing this? |
| 18:28.57 | krka | yes |
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| 18:29.57 | krka | i guess i should investigate it more |
| 18:34.32 | Industrial | No but seriously |
| 18:34.36 | Industrial | what does agi do for a rogue |
| 18:34.44 | Industrial | because i have 75 now at lv 17 |
| 18:34.48 | Industrial | (pretty much) |
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| 18:39.19 | End | for a rogue, agi gives you AP as well as the usual dodge/crit/whatnot |
| 18:39.58 | Tain | Until you start getting top gear just go find, "...of the Monkey" everything for your Rogue. :) |
| 18:40.07 | End | yeah, pretty much |
| 18:52.35 | Industrial | k |
| 18:52.49 | Industrial | wish i could show you all my armor.. ill eed some profile thingy.. |
| 18:55.42 | Kirkburn | Industrial, it should say what agility does on the tooltip |
| 18:56.00 | Industrial | No thats howmuch.. |
| 18:56.12 | Industrial | I mean does it increase combat speed? |
| 18:56.14 | Industrial | running speed? |
| 18:56.16 | Industrial | dodge/evade? |
| 18:56.21 | Industrial | dps for a rogue? |
| 18:56.23 | End | no, no, really, read the tooltip |
| 18:56.28 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Crispix (n=Crispy@c-24-7-241-103.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 18:56.44 | End | mouse over agility in your character frame |
| 18:56.54 | Industrial | oh that tooltip :o |
| 18:57.15 | Kirkburn | hedh |
| 18:57.18 | Industrial | wickid |
| 18:57.19 | Industrial | :D |
| 18:57.21 | Kirkburn | s/hedh/heh/ |
| 18:57.22 | End | and yes, an increase in attack power is an incrase in dps ;p |
| 18:57.24 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 18:58.19 | Industrial | Whats a good profile site? |
| 18:58.31 | Industrial | so i can show off my twinkie and/or get advice |
| 18:58.38 | Industrial | alsmost have ym dual Cruel Barb swords |
| 18:58.47 | Industrial | im in Deadmines now hunting or my second :p |
| 18:58.48 | Tain | I just use wow.allakhazam.com myself |
| 18:59.11 | Tain | With wowreader |
| 18:59.16 | Industrial | k |
| 18:59.37 | Tain | But I've never used any other besides that or thottbot so I don't know how it compares. |
| 18:59.45 | Tain | I do like how you can have it suggest upgrades for you though. |
| 19:00.58 | Industrial | :O |
| 19:01.01 | Industrial | cool ;) |
| 19:01.28 | Industrial | Your auction of linen cloth sold |
| 19:01.29 | Industrial | Your auction of linen cloth sold |
| 19:01.31 | Industrial | Your auction of linen cloth sold |
| 19:01.32 | Industrial | :P |
| 19:02.14 | Elkano | it wasn't me *hides* |
| 19:02.37 | Industrial | $$$ |
| 19:02.38 | Industrial | :D |
| 19:04.55 | ckknight | mmm... delicious clothing |
| 19:07.49 | Maldivia | Elkano: is the translation good enough? |
| 19:08.17 | Elkano | I know I forgot to check sth ^^' |
| 19:12.47 | Maldivia | heh |
| 19:13.22 | Elkano | was working on deDE loc for GloryLib |
| 19:14.15 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wobin_ (n=Wobin@221.221.23.16) |
| 19:16.11 | Kirkburn | Industrial - there's also the CT site, the Worldofwar site, Thott, take your pick |
| 19:16.31 | Kirkburn | And grats on the cloth auctions :P |
| 19:16.43 | Kirkburn | I wish I was so rich :) |
| 19:16.44 | Industrial | Kirkburn: 30G, lv 17 |
| 19:16.45 | Industrial | :P |
| 19:16.59 | Kirkburn | :/ |
| 19:17.05 | Industrial | small-pinpin yo |
| 19:17.10 | Industrial | pimpin, even |
| 19:17.11 | Industrial | :D |
| 19:17.38 | Maldivia | my new mage will soon be poor :| |
| 19:17.42 | Wobin_ | ahahahaha |
| 19:17.43 | Wobin_ | The Dixie Chicks' Natalie Maines apologized for disrespecting President Bush during a London concert in 2003. But now, she's taking it back. "I don't feel that way anymore," she told Time magazine for its issue hitting newsstands Monday. "I don't feel he is owed any respect whatsoever." |
| 19:18.06 | Wobin_ | It's nice to see honesty in our popular media =) |
| 19:18.11 | Industrial | :D |
| 19:24.27 | Miravlix | Every living thing deserve some respect, simply for being alive. |
| 19:25.55 | Wobin_ | And what some things do with that respect is often quite sad |
| 19:26.20 | Wobin_ | But no. not exactly. Respect is earned, not automatic. |
| 19:26.32 | Wobin_ | It's also easily lost |
| 19:26.43 | Wobin_ | Becaiuse we are fickle fickle creatures |
| 19:27.14 | Miravlix | You might say that, but isn't being born earning you respect in the first place? |
| 19:27.38 | Wobin_ | Well, yes |
| 19:27.50 | Wobin_ | but you can still lose that respect later on for stuff you've done |
| 19:28.05 | Wobin_ | It's not a permanent equation |
| 19:28.09 | Wobin_ | er value |
| 19:28.11 | Miravlix | Well, I'm not one for death penelity, so can't agree with that |
| 19:28.26 | Wobin_ | who said anything about the death penalty? |
| 19:28.41 | Wobin_ | Just because you don't respect someone, just means you don't care for their opinion |
| 19:28.52 | Wobin_ | sorry, rephrase. |
| 19:29.03 | Wobin_ | When you don't respect someone, you don't care what their opinion is |
| 19:29.11 | Miravlix | I'm talking about respecting that someone is alive |
| 19:29.19 | Miravlix | There is many facets to respect |
| 19:29.31 | Miravlix | You can't just say you all out disrespect someone. |
| 19:29.35 | Wobin_ | I'm talking about the respect that MsDixie Chick is talking about |
| 19:29.49 | Miravlix | Naah, she goes to far |
| 19:29.54 | Wobin_ | Disrespect and no respect are different things |
| 19:30.04 | Wobin_ | ~define respect |
| 19:31.22 | Iriel | I think this discussion may be borne of a language/interpretation disconnect |
| 19:31.22 | Wobin_ | indeed |
| 19:31.22 | Wobin_ | I've already stated my definition =) |
| 19:31.23 | Iriel | respect means several things when applied to different facets of a person |
| 19:31.23 | Miravlix | Bush should get some respect for being a human being and I don't think the Dixie Chick is showing him the minim respect |
| 19:31.23 | Kirkburn | (also depends on who is saying it) |
| 19:31.23 | Wobin_ | So she should say "Well done for being born, but I don't care for you whatsoever"? |
| 19:31.28 | zenzelezz | personally I think you start out with no respect (neutral) |
| 19:31.33 | Kirkburn | She didn't say she wished he was dead ... |
| 19:31.36 | zenzelezz | no respect, no disrespect |
| 19:31.47 | Miravlix | But that line doesn't respect him being born |
| 19:31.58 | Wobin_ | Of course, I don't know precisely what she said |
| 19:32.02 | Wobin_ | So I can't argue that point |
| 19:32.03 | Miravlix | You don't care if he is alive or death in that sentence |
| 19:32.16 | Wobin_ | Did she say "I don't care if he's dead?" |
| 19:32.20 | Kirkburn | *sigh* this is a pointless conversation, eh :P |
| 19:32.24 | Wobin_ | totally =P |
| 19:32.32 | Miravlix | You used a different way of saying it. |
| 19:32.40 | Wobin_ | Miravlix: I don't care =) |
| 19:32.49 | Kirkburn | MMM CHOCOLATE TASTES GOOD |
| 19:32.51 | Wobin_ | This isn't a structured arguemnt |
| 19:32.58 | Wobin_ | Kirkburn: Doesn't it! |
| 19:33.00 | Miravlix | If you don't care for him whatsoever, how can you care he is alive? |
| 19:33.04 | Kirkburn | Let's discuss :) |
| 19:33.12 | Wobin_ | It's sweet |
| 19:33.23 | Wobin_ | and chocolatet |
| 19:33.25 | Wobin_ | y |
| 19:33.33 | Kirkburn | :D Aye, tis true |
| 19:33.39 | Kirkburn | I heard it contained Cocoa! |
| 19:33.42 | Kirkburn | Is this true?? |
| 19:33.48 | Wobin_ | I hear that's true! |
| 19:33.49 | Iriel | The phrase 'I have no respect for <person X>' |
| 19:33.59 | Iriel | means that you have no respect for their actions, choices, opinions |
| 19:34.02 | Kirkburn | ... will make you sound like a robot |
| 19:34.04 | Iriel | not that you wish they were dead |
| 19:34.13 | Iriel | Chocolate is good |
| 19:34.26 | Wobin_ | Yay! welcome to the dark side, Iriel |
| 19:34.28 | End | chocolate is easier to argue anyways, and the answer is Yes. |
| 19:34.29 | zenzelezz | I agree with both of Iriel's points |
| 19:34.31 | Wobin_ | We have chocolate |
| 19:34.32 | Miravlix | But there is more important things in life |
| 19:34.36 | Kirkburn | No, I'm a milk choccy person |
| 19:34.39 | Wobin_ | like Chocolate |
| 19:35.26 | Kirkburn | I only rarely go to the dark side |
| 19:35.27 | Cairenn | milk chocolate = crap, dark chocolate = divine |
| 19:35.27 | Wobin_ | Sometimes you need the chocolate shock that only dark chocolate can provide... |
| 19:35.27 | Kirkburn | Oooh, controversial |
| 19:35.27 | Kirkburn | Orange chocolate? |
| 19:35.29 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 19:35.33 | Wobin_ | Only in that chocolae orange thing |
| 19:35.38 | Kirkburn | Terry's? |
| 19:35.40 | Cairenn | mint, or raspberry |
| 19:35.46 | Kirkburn | Raspberry?! Ewww |
| 19:35.47 | Cairenn | but only with dark |
| 19:35.48 | Wobin_ | and only cause you can make the cool *pock* noise opening it |
| 19:36.30 | Kirkburn | Cadbury's Dairy Milk is best in my eyes - is it actually sold anywhere else? |
| 19:36.37 | Wobin_ | Australia! |
| 19:36.40 | Cairenn | Canada |
| 19:36.54 | Iriel | The raspberry one is kind of wierd, i find it has a nasty chemical aftertaste |
| 19:36.59 | Cairenn | Special Dark = better |
| 19:37.08 | Cairenn | Iriel: actually, I agree with you |
| 19:37.10 | Kirkburn | It's not sold on continental europe =( |
| 19:37.13 | Wobin_ | I use it for making brownies |
| 19:37.27 | Wobin_ | Europe has Milka and stuff, which isn't so bad |
| 19:37.39 | Wobin_ | and swiss chocolate =) |
| 19:37.39 | Kirkburn | True, true, but it's so expensive |
| 19:37.41 | krka | chocolate FTW |
| 19:37.45 | Wobin_ | alas for that |
| 19:37.59 | Kirkburn | Yorrick agrees |
| 19:38.34 | Kirkburn | (it's about the only shakespeare thing I know) |
| 19:39.01 | Kirkburn | At least they sell Coco Pops here :) |
| 19:39.06 | Wobin_ | For you knew him well? =) |
| 19:39.16 | krka | 10|!10 |
| 19:39.18 | Wobin_ | Kirkburn: True that. I'm glad there's something familiar |
| 19:39.43 | Wobin_ | Speaking of which, I need some breakfast |
| 19:40.02 | Wobin_ | Nothing left but the nasty cereal that goes soggy too fast =( |
| 19:40.12 | Kirkburn | All of them? |
| 19:40.34 | Wobin_ | This one is particularly quicksoaking |
| 19:40.43 | Kirkburn | And it is ... ? |
| 19:40.46 | krka | hmm...are you female Wobin_? because i suspect it's mostly girls who dislike it when things get soggy too fast |
| 19:41.02 | Wobin_ | er me? No =P |
| 19:41.08 | Cairenn | ewww, soggy cereal |
| 19:41.08 | Wobin_ | damn irc reflexes |
| 19:42.08 | Industrial | http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?1357719 |
| 19:42.21 | krka | right, cereal |
| 19:43.02 | Industrial | hows that for a twink? :P |
| 19:43.09 | Kirkburn | Ho-hum, generic cereal then |
| 19:43.12 | Kirkburn | I need some dinner ... don't think it'll be Coco Pops though |
| 19:43.14 | Industrial | i still need enchants but i know my iems are not the best |
| 19:43.26 | Wobin_ | Industrial: You need the defais set =) |
| 19:43.31 | Wobin_ | er defias |
| 19:43.32 | Industrial | Wobin_: no wai :P |
| 19:43.33 | Kirkburn | Bloody twinks |
| 19:43.35 | Industrial | Wobin_: mine is better |
| 19:43.41 | Wobin_ | Sure, now that's -really- twinked for a horde =) |
| 19:43.45 | Kirkburn | Compulsory XP ftw :) |
| 19:43.55 | Industrial | Kirkburn: nay! |
| 19:43.57 | Industrial | :P |
| 19:44.03 | Industrial | i love the tickets i dont turn in |
| 19:44.04 | Industrial | :D |
| 19:44.11 | Kirkburn | Freeeek |
| 19:44.39 | Kirkburn | I've never got any tickets to hand in! |
| 19:45.07 | Kirkburn | The one time I should have got them, I didn't :( |
| 19:45.39 | Kirkburn | Hmm, perhaps I will make a twink some day |
| 19:48.09 | AnduinLothar | wow blew up |
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| 19:48.52 | Industrial | Kirkburn: just go into wsg with your main? :p |
| 19:48.56 | AnduinLothar | it just closed... no assertion... no 'this process has quit unexpectedly'.. |
| 19:49.06 | Kirkburn | Crazy idea Industrial :) |
| 19:49.07 | AnduinLothar | was logging in |
| 19:49.27 | AnduinLothar | odd.. my realm is now offline |
| 19:49.27 | Kirkburn | Test client? |
| 19:49.35 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 19:49.43 | Kirkburn | Yeah, just guessed that :P |
| 19:49.48 | Kirkburn | V odd |
| 19:50.02 | AnduinLothar | looks like my realm crashed while i was loading and the app just silently closed.. |
| 19:51.03 | Miravlix | News at 11, Cosmos Dev crashes server |
| 19:51.22 | AnduinLothar | i didn't do it! |
| 19:51.38 | Miravlix | I did, I crashed PTR PVP |
| 19:52.04 | AnduinLothar | I did manage to get rid of wardrobes silly dropdownmenu |
| 19:52.39 | Miravlix | Silly? |
| 19:54.07 | AnduinLothar | ya, it has it's own frame.. |
| 19:54.44 | AnduinLothar | which is silly considering you don't even need a real frame to make a dropdown, much less one that instantiates it's own buttons and silly stuff like that |
| 19:55.05 | Cairenn | damn you all! |
| 19:55.18 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 19:55.21 | AnduinLothar | WOOT! |
| 19:55.27 | AnduinLothar | i need some chocolate.. |
| 19:55.37 | Miravlix | Aah, XML stuff is still black magic to me |
| 19:56.23 | AnduinLothar | the real black magic was getting the same menu to show up in Khaos |
| 19:56.37 | Wobin_ | Elkano: Cookies =) |
| 19:56.46 | Cairenn | *choke* |
| 19:56.49 | End | lol |
| 19:57.09 | Elkano | it's an o and not a c.. it's just my bad handwriting... *hides* |
| 19:57.20 | Wobin_ | I'm not quite depraved as Cairenn. My -first- mental image was of two birds sandwiching chocloate =P |
| 19:57.43 | Wobin_ | since cockies can be short for cockatiels =P |
| 19:57.45 | Cairenn | Wobin_: and how do you know what my first mental image was, hmmmm? |
| 19:58.02 | Wobin_ | Cause you wouldn't have choked otherwise =P |
| 19:58.04 | Cairenn | who has the dirty mind? |
| 19:58.05 | Iriel | because deep down we /all/ know 8-) |
| 19:58.07 | Iriel | You do |
| 19:58.14 | Elkano | I do... |
| 19:58.58 | Cairenn | I'd like to see anyone who would be able to eat two birds with chocolate sandwiched between them that *wouldn't* choke ... |
| 19:59.09 | Cairenn | lalala |
| 19:59.17 | Elkano | (I could say it was intentionaly but then they would either not believe me or never talk to me again... :/ ) |
| 19:59.18 | End | lies |
| 19:59.21 | Iriel | nice try |
| 19:59.24 | End | Cairenn is never innocent |
| 19:59.25 | Wobin_ | ha |
| 19:59.40 | End | Cairenn just -looks- innocent |
| 19:59.45 | End | but we know better now |
| 19:59.49 | Wobin_ | It's a cunning facade |
| 20:00.00 | Wobin_ | To lull us into a false sense of security |
| 20:00.06 | Wobin_ | Then she'll POUNCE |
| 20:11.42 | AnduinLothar | oh yeah, removed 500 lines of useless dropdown code |
| 20:13.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge kaiden (n=kaiden@63.251.174.3) |
| 20:13.55 | Kirkburn | Woo |
| 20:14.28 | kaiden | Hey guys(and gals ;)) i'm doing some CreateFrame calls to make a xml'less interface, however, I just added another frame and i am unable to show it the way i do one just like it, i made sure there were no naming problems |
| 20:14.31 | Cairenn | - to try to win over the affections |
| 20:14.35 | kaiden | this is for a targethealth frame then a targetmana frame |
| 20:14.51 | Iriel | kaiden : 1.10 or 1.11 ? |
| 20:14.52 | kaiden | the targethealth frame's SetScript onevent for PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED works fine, however the targetMana frame wont show |
| 20:14.54 | kaiden | 1.10 |
| 20:14.58 | wereHamster | does someone have the PTR patch downloader for the enGB client? |
| 20:15.16 | Iriel | Did you verify that CreateFrame returned a non-nil value? |
| 20:15.36 | kaiden | Iriel, positive it did, because i can call theactualframename:Show(); and it shows fine |
| 20:15.49 | kaiden | here i'll paste my code to a paster service |
| 20:15.54 | Iriel | please do |
| 20:16.03 | Iriel | You probably forget a RegisterEvent |
| 20:16.19 | Iriel | (or called iton the wrong frame) |
| 20:18.12 | kaiden | i've checked all that multiple times though :( |
| 20:18.13 | kaiden | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/wKgYKB51.html |
| 20:18.56 | kaiden | ignore the addChat("GOT HERE MANG"); ;) that's just me checking to see if it even catches the event, and it's not btw |
| 20:19.16 | Iriel | Err |
| 20:19.21 | Iriel | You set event and arg1 in your handler |
| 20:19.27 | Iriel | so you screw up every handler that follows it |
| 20:19.40 | Iriel | NEVER, EVER change the event/arg globals unless you put them back afterwards! |
| 20:20.21 | Iriel | those are globals, and wow only sets them at the start of the event dispatch chain |
| 20:21.18 | kaiden | sorry just building off of code that the ColdFusion guy wrote so i can have a target mana bar :) |
| 20:21.20 | Wobin_ | I'm not sure. wouldn't it be better to say targetMana:SetPoint("LEFT", targetHealth, "RIGHT", 16, 0) ? |
| 20:21.37 | Wobin_ | if the code is in the same scope |
| 20:21.39 | Iriel | Well, his code is broken too 8-) |
| 20:22.18 | Iriel | I suspect he lucked out by having his addon load after any other PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED users |
| 20:23.44 | kaiden | i was wondering why discordunitframes was broken after using that |
| 20:23.46 | kaiden | LOL ;) |
| 20:24.11 | kaiden | perfect, stripped out the bad code in both targetHealth and targetMana and it works like a charm now |
| 20:24.26 | Iriel | You should mail the other author and inform him of his bug |
| 20:24.40 | kaiden | well he only released it to me as a request on the wowi boards, i'll let him know though |
| 20:24.50 | kaiden | i'm sure he's still developing it and getting it ready to actually release it |
| 20:25.06 | kaiden | it's an extension of the dLx_Hud (well a complete rewrite to not use xml and actually look nice) |
| 20:25.31 | kaiden | i'm just incorporating a few of my idea's ie replacing his percentage bars on the mana fields with combo point bars, and adding those things |
| 20:25.44 | kaiden | erm mana frame, and making them movable |
| 20:26.20 | krka | i have decided it's best to use xml for stuff that i have a fixed amount of and dynamic for the rest |
| 20:29.34 | Iriel | krka: That's my position also (except for one or two embedding cases when I need an event catching frame) |
| 20:30.00 | krka | yeah, embedding is an exception |
| 20:30.30 | AnduinLothar | if I just need an event frame I do it in lua now |
| 20:30.52 | Wobin_ | easier to test |
| 20:31.00 | Wobin_ | with reload rather than restart |
| 20:31.10 | Iriel | Wobin_ : Eh? |
| 20:31.14 | Iriel | XML reloads on a reload |
| 20:31.25 | Wobin_ | what am I thinking of? Oh Toc |
| 20:31.26 | AnduinLothar | and in 1.11 toc does too |
| 20:31.34 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : it does?!? |
| 20:31.42 | Wobin_ | AL: on RL? I thought it was just logout |
| 20:31.43 | AnduinLothar | on my limitted tests it did |
| 20:31.51 | AnduinLothar | oh, my bad |
| 20:31.54 | AnduinLothar | logout |
| 20:31.56 | AnduinLothar | not exit |
| 20:31.57 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Toc always reloaded, but wouldn't find new files |
| 20:32.12 | AnduinLothar | news to me |
| 20:32.20 | Iriel | Well, i should rephrase that |
| 20:32.29 | Elkano | Iriel, changing saved vars didn't work with reload, too |
| 20:32.31 | Iriel | The non ## part of Toc always reloaded, but wouldn't find new files without a client restart |
| 20:32.58 | Iriel | the ## required a restart (or maybe just a logout, I rarely change that part) |
| 20:32.59 | Wobin_ | but since all the non ## part of the toc -are- files...? |
| 20:33.04 | AnduinLothar | ya, well i changed a dependacy and it worked on logout |
| 20:33.17 | Legorol | i don't *beleive* this |
| 20:33.21 | Iriel | Wobin_ : Well, sometimes I create placeholder files for stuff i'm not done with |
| 20:33.27 | Legorol | i had four character copies for the test realms, used them all up |
| 20:33.32 | Legorol | none of the chars show up :( |
| 20:33.39 | Cide | are you on the right server? |
| 20:33.41 | Iriel | Wobin_ : And then add them to the toc as I make them |
| 20:33.47 | Legorol | the one and only, Cide |
| 20:33.48 | Wobin_ | true |
| 20:33.52 | Cide | there are two servers |
| 20:33.54 | Legorol | and yes i did make sure ;-) |
| 20:34.04 | Legorol | yeah i know there are two, i checked both |
| 20:34.07 | Cide | weird... |
| 20:34.16 | Legorol | very |
| 20:34.24 | Legorol | and if it's going to stay like this, very disappointing :( |
| 20:35.13 | Tain | They're testing. |
| 20:35.19 | Tain | In this case, testing your patience. :) |
| 20:36.00 | Legorol | lol |
| 20:36.47 | AnduinLothar | there we go, got Wardrobe some Khaos options |
| 20:37.53 | Miravlix | I tried to do Khaos in my debug addon, but Khaos keeps calling callback early |
| 20:38.18 | AnduinLothar | 'early'? |
| 20:38.21 | Miravlix | And it defaults to setting it on |
| 20:38.28 | Miravlix | Yeah before variables loaded |
| 20:38.36 | AnduinLothar | um, no |
| 20:39.06 | Iriel | Perhaps before YOUR VARIABLES_LOADED? |
| 20:39.09 | Miravlix | While the addons is loaded my addon thinks it's turned on |
| 20:39.34 | Miravlix | In the addon default is turned of |
| 20:39.37 | Iriel | Does Khaos do its initialization when Khaos sees VARIABLES_LOADED ? |
| 20:39.52 | AnduinLothar | nope, Chronos.afterInit |
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| 20:40.35 | krka | if anyone feels like investigating text limitations of editboxes, i'd appreciate it |
| 20:40.58 | krka | my _limited_ tests show that for lengths >= 7546 characters, the rendering gets messed up |
| 20:41.01 | kaiden | ... i keep smelling maple syrup for some reason :( |
| 20:41.09 | AnduinLothar | afterInit == after VARIABLES_LOADED and after all the channel colors have been updated |
| 20:41.17 | Wobin_ | kaiden: Pancake gnomes? |
| 20:41.30 | kaiden | mmm pancake gnomes |
| 20:41.52 | krka | hmm... i just thought of something |
| 20:42.09 | krka | maybe i can build my own editbox from multiple singleline-editboxes |
| 20:42.10 | Wobin_ | Notify the press! |
| 20:42.14 | krka | i will! |
| 20:42.25 | krka | highlighting will be tricky though |
| 20:42.59 | Iriel | Usability will be teh suck |
| 20:43.23 | Miravlix | AnduinLothar: It does a callback call when I register. |
| 20:43.49 | Wobin_ | Meh, I hate the air here. I want to freshen the air in my room, but the last thing I want to do is open the window to do it =( |
| 20:43.57 | Miravlix | Hmm, wait thats checking KhaosFrame.variablesLoaded |
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| 20:44.21 | krka | haven't really thought it through... but navigating around multiple singleline editboxes shouldn't be too hard |
| 20:44.47 | Shouryuu|Crazy | oh my god... I've just done about half my classe's homework |
| 20:46.23 | Kirkburn | Lol, this episode of Enterprise is weird ... mirror universe Star Trek :P |
| 20:46.24 | Miravlix | Chronos.afterInit(function() Chronos.schedule(.5,KhaosCore.runCallbacks); end); |
| 20:46.28 | Miravlix | Thats done on load |
| 20:46.43 | Miravlix | Need to move it to variables loaded? |
| 20:47.00 | Miravlix | Gah |
| 20:47.08 | Miravlix | It's an afterInit call. :( |
| 20:48.36 | Miravlix | My brain is fried. |
| 20:48.49 | Miravlix | Anyway it's in Khaos_Frame_OnEvent() |
| 20:50.57 | AnduinLothar | well if your load is esp long it also calls 5s after vars loaded.. |
| 20:51.20 | AnduinLothar | well anyway, i have changes to commit |
| 20:51.27 | AnduinLothar | for less callbacks |
| 20:52.32 | Miravlix | I can't figure out why it's messed up |
| 20:52.46 | Miravlix | I create my Khaos menu at variables loaded |
| 20:53.20 | AnduinLothar | should work, MF does the same thing |
| 21:00.03 | Miravlix | What have you done to Khaos, FeralSkills fails to validate |
| 21:00.47 | AnduinLothar | you'll have to be more specific |
| 21:01.09 | AnduinLothar | does it ask for a default value? |
| 21:01.55 | Miravlix | FeralSkills has no khaos options anymore, it's gone because it doesn't get validated |
| 21:02.20 | AnduinLothar | no shit. tell m ewhat the validation error is |
| 21:02.47 | Miravlix | I'll fix it. :p |
| 21:02.56 | AnduinLothar | no. don't touch it |
| 21:03.09 | AnduinLothar | I have a modified khaos here I'm working on |
| 21:03.20 | Miravlix | I mean FeralSkills |
| 21:03.31 | AnduinLothar | it's probably not broken |
| 21:03.54 | wereHamster | Iriel, all UI elements that are rendered by WoW.exe (speech bubbles, HP-bars above enemies, damage text above enemies) are scaled by the screen size, not the size of the WorldFrame. It's not nice when a single chat-bubble covers half of one monitor (and thus half of the WorldFrame) and the damage text doesn't scale very well to that size and I can see the pixels. |
| 21:03.55 | AnduinLothar | I might have added erronious validation while I was modifying the dropdowns |
| 21:04.35 | Iriel | wereHamster : I haven't gotten a response on your last speech bubble issue, but when I do i'll add that |
| 21:04.55 | Miravlix | Id Shred.Pounce Modifier requires a disabled.value table |
| 21:05.10 | AnduinLothar | yes, that's what i thought. I got it |
| 21:05.13 | wereHamster | Iriel, that's ok.. it doesn't hurry :) |
| 21:05.15 | AnduinLothar | i'll fix it |
| 21:05.36 | Miravlix | Hmm, just after variables_loaded Khaos calls my callback with true |
| 21:05.38 | Shouryuu|Crazy | night folks |
| 21:06.30 | Miravlix | Because the real variable processing isn't done until Chronos.afterInit is executed much later? |
| 21:06.55 | AnduinLothar | what callback type? |
| 21:07.34 | Miravlix | Standard K_TEXT one? |
| 21:07.43 | Miravlix | callback = function(state) Lix.Dprint(Lix_debug, "Lix: debug ", state.checked ) Lix_Config.debug = state.checked end, |
| 21:08.59 | AnduinLothar | what does it do what? |
| 21:10.34 | AnduinLothar | what does it do when? |
| 21:10.34 | Miravlix | It starts calling callbacks after variables_loaded, but it doesn't process saved variables until Chronos.afterInit? |
| 21:13.53 | AnduinLothar | shouldn't be |
| 21:14.01 | AnduinLothar | anyway i gtg. I'm uploading khaos changed |
| 21:14.21 | MentalPower | what classes are needed on the PTR? |
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| 21:26.26 | Kirkburn | Probably not mages or shamans :P |
| 21:27.08 | Codayus | Hmm, anyone know of a source for the PTR patch other than Bliz's downloader? |
| 21:27.58 | Kirkburn | There are some possible places to look at the bottom of this page: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors |
| 21:40.26 | Codayus | Kirkburn: Thanks |
| 21:40.48 | Kirkburn | No problem ... I'm just trying to learn how to edit a wiki atm |
| 21:42.22 | End | grrr, how is lard's lunch not an elite quest |
| 21:42.58 | End | sure, the guys that jump you aren't elites, but there are 3 of them! |
| 21:44.14 | End | oh well, the one I killed had his lunch |
| 21:45.12 | Wobin_ | End yeah, that's a bloody tough quest |
| 21:45.14 | Kirkburn | zomg, I edited a wiki! |
| 21:45.25 | Kirkburn | Lard's Lunch? |
| 21:45.35 | End | horde quest in the hinterlands |
| 21:45.45 | End | you rescue this ogre's picnic basket |
| 21:45.50 | End | but it's a trap! |
| 21:45.51 | End | zomg! |
| 21:46.05 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 21:50.10 | Codayus | Blah, none of those sites have it. |
| 21:50.17 | Kirkburn | Christ, the wiki is sloooow |
| 21:50.44 | Kirkburn | I must have killed it with my uber edit |
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| 23:36.18 | Iriel | Without commenting on the lack of actual content, what do you all think of this: http://www.wowwiki.com/UISUMMARY_CheckButton |
| 23:38.41 | Kirkburn | You're 'flickering'? |
| 23:38.51 | Iriel | Yes |
| 23:39.20 | Kirkburn | Aha :) Looks well organised |
| 23:39.35 | Iriel | It's machine generated, so there's hope for it |
| 23:40.13 | Iriel | I cant decide if all of the method names should be 'CheckButton:*' or '<AppropriateBaseType>:*' |
| 23:41.25 | Kirkburn | I have no opinion either way :) |
| 23:42.24 | Wobin_ | Can SetFrameLevel take a negative argument? |
| 23:42.37 | Iriel | I dont know |
| 23:42.57 | Iriel | For method name comparison: http://www.wowwiki.com/UISUMMARY_EditBox |
| 23:43.06 | Wobin_ | Alas not |
| 23:44.41 | Wobin_ | Which is easier for you to lay ouy? |
| 23:44.43 | Wobin_ | out |
| 23:45.10 | Iriel | changing between the formats is as simple as commenting/uncommenting 2 lines of code |
| 23:45.21 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 23:45.30 | Wobin_ | I'd say more the <AppropriateBaseType> |
| 23:45.37 | Iriel | So the EditBox version? |
| 23:45.41 | Wobin_ | That way you emphasise the fact that it's inherited |
| 23:45.50 | Wobin_ | Aye |
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