| 00:00.14 | Cairenn | bye norgs, have a good one |
| 00:17.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | I wonder if there is an addon where you can set range and cooldowns for actionbuttons with macros on them. |
| 00:18.11 | Iriel | You mean different from the current first-spell-named mechanism that's there now? |
| 00:19.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: Right, because macros can call functions which decide it's not time to use an action. |
| 00:20.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | Maybe there's a simple way to trick the built-in mechanism to react to certain spell data without actually having that actionbutton always cast that spell? |
| 00:20.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/always/always try to/. |
| 00:21.01 | Iriel | I'm sure you could cook the GetAction* functions to resspond appropriately for actions with your macros on |
| 00:22.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | So hook GetAction* ? |
| 00:22.45 | Iriel | GetActionCooldown, IsActionUsable, etc |
| 00:23.19 | Iriel | Whatever you need to do to make the standard UI (and any other bar mods) get your availability data instead of the standard system's responses |
| 00:29.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, looks like I'd need to do it myself. Hmmm. |
| 00:30.49 | Iriel | That's a much nicer solution than trying to hook into every bar mod out there tho |
| 00:31.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | Can you override non-Lua functions, like IsUsuable(), InRange, etc.? |
| 00:31.54 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 00:33.41 | GenNMX|Thrae | Do IsUsableAction, InRange, etc. just return this.isUsable, this.inRange, etc.? |
| 00:34.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | I've never been able to gleen that information from a dump of a button object. |
| 00:34.19 | Iriel | no, they're back-end calls that query range, cooldown, etc |
| 00:34.43 | Iriel | the button is just displayingt he status of the internal action |
| 00:34.50 | Iriel | the functions query the internal action, not the button state |
| 00:35.08 | Iriel | It's vitally important you keep the two separated in your head if you want to pull this off |
| 00:35.41 | GenNMX|Thrae | And is which internal action is stored in a button object open to Lua? |
| 00:36.00 | Iriel | the action ID is derived from a number of things |
| 00:36.11 | Iriel | including the button object's ID |
| 00:36.19 | Iriel | it's one of the clumsier pieces of the UI tho |
| 00:36.42 | Iriel | ActionButton_GetPagedID is where the nastiness is at |
| 00:37.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | This is one of the places I wish the Blizzard UI had some OO instead of purely functional. |
| 00:38.09 | Iriel | We've asked for it, i interpreted the response as "If we ever have to re-write any of that stuff we'll do it properly" |
| 00:39.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | We could rewrite it, but they probably wouldn't accept it -- too paranoid about credit, compensation, and adding in "write password.txt" thrown in somewhere. |
| 00:39.32 | Iriel | I suspect it'd depend on the invasiveness of the change |
| 00:39.43 | Iriel | the biggest problem with that particular function is its used everywhere |
| 00:40.02 | Iriel | I asked for just a shortcut if a local method or variable was defined, but there was reluctance there too |
| 00:40.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, the Blizzard UI *should* eventually be changed to fully utilize dynamic frames. |
| 00:40.25 | Iriel | I suspect partly because that's the domain of someone other than slouken, simple bug fixes are easier to have come from us than rewrites |
| 00:40.30 | Iriel | I disagree |
| 00:40.42 | Iriel | I think there's a place for XML driven layouts |
| 00:40.54 | Tain | There's nothing inherently *better* about dynamic frmaes than xml defined frames. |
| 00:40.57 | Iriel | Certainly there are many places where dynamic frames do make sense |
| 00:41.08 | Iriel | the world map was one, and it got done 'properly' |
| 00:41.11 | Tain | There's circumstances where dynamic creation is better. |
| 00:42.53 | MentalPower | question: is the return value from time() [os.time()] portable across windows/mac in WoW's Lua implementation? |
| 00:43.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: Really? I was always under the impression that we could squeeze off at least a good 10 - 15MB if we removed the entire FrameXML. |
| 00:43.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, the XML from FrameXML, including unregistering events they're watching. |
| 00:43.47 | Iriel | that sounds high |
| 00:44.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: What about the Blizzard Raid Interface? You get near a 2MB bonus just from MiniBlizzRaid. |
| 00:44.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | Which, to my knowledge, unloads the Blizzard Raid UI for people that use an alternative raid interface. |
| 00:44.50 | Iriel | I could see something like a raid UI being a good candidate for dynamic frames |
| 00:44.51 | Tain | Right, so what's your net gain? |
| 00:45.04 | Tain | You subtract 2mb and add another raid interface. |
| 00:45.26 | Iriel | but only for folks who raid in smaller groups |
| 00:46.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, there's a lot of stuff in the Blizzard Default UI that I don't use. Like I only use 34 out of some 129 actionbuttons, don't use Bag or CharacterMicroButtons, don't use any other part of the MainMenuBar other then the default action buttons, etc. |
| 00:47.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | For minimalists, a dynamic approach may save them a few MB at least. |
| 00:47.13 | Tain | I can see where everything being dynamic would be a boon to addon devs to strip things out, yeah. |
| 00:47.38 | Tain | It always has to fall back to the thought though of how much it helps Blizzard with the default UI since that's where things start. |
| 00:47.51 | Iriel | The standard UI actually virtualizes a lot of action button stuff |
| 00:48.20 | Iriel | But Load on demand is almost a better choice for many of those things |
| 00:48.27 | Iriel | it's certainly SIMPLER than dynamic creation |
| 00:49.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, so if they split them up into smaller portions, that could work too. |
| 00:51.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | I'm not trying to find fault with Blizzard, I'm just saying some more dynamic control would be a good idea, not that they have to go and do it. |
| 00:51.55 | Miravlix | But what reason does Blizzard have for Dynamics? |
| 00:52.03 | Miravlix | They don't need to unload there stuff. |
| 00:52.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | I'm not so presumptuous as to demand things of Blizzard's UI team in particular when I don't really know how they operate to begin with. They haven't shown any real screw-ups. |
| 00:52.19 | Tain | It would be great for us. Unfortunatly their dev group doesn't necessarily keep that in mind :) |
| 00:52.46 | cladhaire | Iriel: In the example of the raid frames, the UI creates 180 unit frames for the raid |
| 00:52.56 | cladhaire | That's where dynamic creation needs to be used =) |
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| 00:53.21 | Iriel | I agree with you for soemthing like raiding where there's a huge upper limit but arbitrary normal use |
| 00:55.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | Miravlix: For the segment that starts replacing parts of the Blizzard UI with their own flavour. The negative tradeoff for your own customized should be minimized as much as possible, especially for people that have very strained resources. |
| 00:57.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | Again, I'm not saying any particular part of the default Blizzard UI is crap, but if you find a certain replacement, if the default has to still be there then should take up as little resources as possible. |
| 00:57.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | I need food -- grammar bad. |
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| 01:12.42 | ckknight | Anybody think of a better name than VersionLib? |
| 01:13.11 | ckknight | it converts a version string to a number and such |
| 01:13.50 | Cairenn | Nunlib |
| 01:13.58 | ckknight | Nunlib? |
| 01:14.05 | AnduinLothar | 'converts' |
| 01:14.10 | Cairenn | hehehe, he got it |
| 01:14.27 | AnduinLothar | a stretch |
| 01:14.36 | Cairenn | maybe Jesuit Missionaries Lib would be better? |
| 01:14.58 | AnduinLothar | except all software ever does is convert one thing to another.. |
| 01:15.00 | ckknight | I don't get it |
| 01:15.07 | zenzio | I must go along with the "a stretch" here |
| 01:15.17 | AnduinLothar | so conversion == software |
| 01:15.30 | Cairenn | conversion ... you know, the missionaries converting the heathens to christianity? I was being a smartass is all |
| 01:15.37 | Cairenn | sheesh |
| 01:15.41 | AnduinLothar | in which case saying a particular piece of software converts is redundant |
| 01:15.46 | zenzio | you too smart for me :( |
| 01:16.18 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 01:16.30 | Cairenn | I highly doubt that zenzio |
| 01:16.45 | AnduinLothar | self doubt is poisonous cair |
| 01:17.23 | Cairenn | your lips are venomous poison! |
| 01:17.43 | zenzio | this is starting to remind me of some 80s song |
| 01:17.59 | AnduinLothar | no, lips are just the syringe |
| 01:18.10 | AnduinLothar | the poison is in your heart and mind |
| 01:18.58 | zespri_work | what do you want from poor lego? is it timed macro? =) |
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| 01:19.28 | Cairenn | he emailed me asking a question, I just want to answer him is all |
| 01:19.57 | AnduinLothar | could email him.. |
| 01:20.03 | Cairenn | =O |
| 01:20.06 | zespri_work | Anduin, tell me for mesuring dps in a group what addon do you use? DamageMeters or Recap? |
| 01:20.16 | AnduinLothar | DM |
| 01:20.16 | ckknight_ | sorry, got DC'd. I don't understand "Nunlib" |
| 01:20.25 | AnduinLothar | recap is too much info in screen imo |
| 01:20.33 | AnduinLothar | on screen* |
| 01:20.38 | Cairenn | "conversion ... you know, the missionaries converting the heathens to christianity? I was being a smartass is all" |
| 01:21.08 | AnduinLothar | <AnduinLothar>a stretch |
| 01:21.21 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 01:21.28 | AnduinLothar | owned |
| 01:21.45 | zespri_work | don't say conversion. I'm curently working on a coversion project. it hurts =) |
| 01:21.46 | AnduinLothar | night clad |
| 01:21.48 | clad|shower | They both start with an S |
| 01:21.50 | clad|shower | sorry about that =) |
| 01:22.01 | AnduinLothar | good shower clad |
| 01:22.04 | Cairenn | need your back scrubbed? |
| 01:22.16 | AnduinLothar | actually, need a shower myself |
| 01:22.40 | clad|shower | Can anyone confirm that Stormrage is one of the two original beta servers? Cause that's what Sat thought from talking with Tigole.. and its horrible.. 1500ms latency spikes all night long, and there's no one on the server anymore. |
| 01:22.56 | clad|shower | BOO is all i have to say |
| 01:22.58 | clad|shower | k.. brb |
| 01:23.08 | clad|shower | TOp Chef is on.. so I get to be up and code for the next two hours =) *cheer* |
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| 01:27.28 | zespri_work | so what can we do to defeat all the spam in the world. at least in emails. So there is no spam any longer? |
| 01:28.24 | ckknight_ | make it a capital crime |
| 01:30.19 | clad|shower | anyone up for an Enfos, or 12 Blademasters? |
| 01:33.14 | zespri_work | My combat log keeps disappearing. Is this something that was promised to be fixed in the next patch? |
| 01:33.29 | Cairenn | sure hope so |
| 01:33.33 | Cairenn | known bug |
| 01:33.46 | zespri_work | is there any workaround for now? |
| 01:34.08 | Cairenn | simple chat on and back off and re set up chat as you like it |
| 01:34.09 | cladhaire | SOMEONE PLAY WC3 with me. |
| 01:34.13 | zespri_work | like any post explaining why thi is happening and what can be done to work around this? |
| 01:34.30 | cladhaire | zespri_work: there's a thread in the forums, i'm just dont have anything bookmarked atm |
| 01:34.36 | zespri_work | clad I'll play wc3 with you later if you promise not to win =) |
| 01:35.06 | cladhaire | hahah |
| 01:35.11 | cladhaire | i just like custom maps. |
| 01:35.15 | cladhaire | you play any TD's or enfos |
| 01:35.16 | cladhaire | ? |
| 01:35.22 | zespri_work | Thanks Cair, but it works for me only for the session duration. and then need to do it agian. but thanks anyway |
| 01:35.24 | cladhaire | i like the co-op games =) |
| 01:35.47 | zespri_work | no idea what TD or enfos is |
| 01:35.47 | Cairenn | same here zespri, but it's the "quickest" fix |
| 01:35.52 | Cairenn | per session ... |
| 01:37.19 | zespri_work | clad, cooperate games agains computer you mean? yeah, this is good =) We played a lot some times ago with my wife and other friends. |
| 01:37.24 | FreshAnduinClean | mmm, Green Apple Shampoo |
| 01:38.15 | FreshAnduinClean | enfos are cool, TD's have gotten stale, DotA ftw, riSk is old school ownage |
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| 01:39.06 | zespri_work | clad what is enfos? some supercool map? |
| 01:39.12 | zespri_work | is this it? http://www.warcraft.org/maps/details/c5678 |
| 01:39.20 | zespri_work | what does it look like? |
| 01:39.34 | cladhair1 | ooh we should download and play that one =) |
| 01:39.34 | FreshAnduinClean | a tower defence |
| 01:39.42 | FreshAnduinClean | with heros |
| 01:39.57 | FreshAnduinClean | the elemental td's are kinda cool too |
| 01:40.17 | FreshAnduinClean | it's impossible to ever win with light + nature |
| 01:40.33 | cladhaire | i love enfos |
| 01:40.39 | cladhaire | everyone download it and fire up TFT =) |
| 01:40.50 | cladhaire | its competitive, but I wish they'd make a 1-team version |
| 01:40.56 | zespri_work | what tower defence means? that you bake lotsa lotsa towers untill all you resources runs out? |
| 01:41.36 | cladhaire | it basically means mobs keep coming in waves |
| 01:41.39 | cladhaire | and you have to defend against them |
| 01:41.45 | FreshAnduinClean | kills and/or time gives you resources to build, you build towers in formations and buy upgrades to stop the computer units from passing you |
| 01:42.08 | zespri_work | oh, oh I know |
| 01:42.17 | cladhaire | FreshAnduinClean: You want in, one more and we've got 2v2 |
| 01:42.19 | zespri_work | there was one of this type either in tft or in original wc |
| 01:42.21 | zespri_work | wc3 |
| 01:42.29 | FreshAnduinClean | tft |
| 01:42.34 | FreshAnduinClean | has a bonus level td |
| 01:42.51 | FreshAnduinClean | i have MC in 45 min.. |
| 01:42.59 | cladhaire | aaw boo |
| 01:43.07 | cladhaire | i need to unprotect it so I can make it one player. |
| 01:43.07 | zespri_work | uhm I wish I weren't at work. I'd so play with you guys! |
| 01:43.15 | cladhaire | so the second team losing doesn't win the game |
| 01:43.26 | cladhaire | its been a while since i've done that tho |
| 01:43.47 | FreshAnduinClean | some maps do that, some keep going |
| 01:44.02 | cladhaire | yeah, i like those TD's.. i had some good TD's coded back in the day |
| 01:44.51 | zespri_work | I dunno. in wc3 I ususally can;t defeat a computer on normal but I had no problem with compain at all (apart from the battle of the world tree) |
| 01:45.03 | Cairenn | rofl @ cladhaire's "back in the day" ... what, when you walked barefoot uphill to school in a blizzard, both ways? |
| 01:45.10 | cladhaire | you know it beyatch =) |
| 01:45.10 | zespri_work | probably the compayin is substaintialy easier then the normal maps |
| 01:45.25 | FreshAnduinClean | barefoot uphill TO Blizzard |
| 01:45.28 | Cairenn | who you calling beyatch, you slut? |
| 01:45.35 | cladhaire | i wish i was walking to blizzard =) |
| 01:46.19 | FreshAnduinClean | mmk, time to see if my buffbot change makes it not crash on raid zoning |
| 01:46.22 | zespri_work | ok have to do some coding. see everybody later. don't stray too far away |
| 01:46.45 | Cairenn | later zespri :) |
| 01:47.04 | Cairenn | <3 clad |
| 01:47.08 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:47.23 | cladhaire | OMG i'm so excited for Top Chef |
| 01:47.24 | cladhaire | and WC3 |
| 01:47.26 | cladhaire | this is a night |
| 01:47.29 | cladhaire | i need to go make some yogurt |
| 01:47.38 | Cairenn | *make* yogurt? |
| 01:47.54 | FreshAnduinClean | someone copy that into his ~cladhaire |
| 01:48.23 | cladhaire | haha |
| 01:48.28 | cladhaire | yeah granola, and yogurt |
| 01:49.10 | Iriel | You make granola too? |
| 01:49.31 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 01:49.41 | cladhaire | and i make the strawberries I put in =) |
| 01:49.53 | Cairenn | actually, making both is easy enough, but ewwwwww, yogurt |
| 01:49.58 | cladhaire | mmm |
| 01:51.00 | cladhaire | lol what stores? |
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| 01:55.31 | cladhaire | hrm, that was odd =) |
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| 02:04.34 | Kaelten | ello guys |
| 02:07.44 | cladhaire | heyas Kaelten |
| 02:07.59 | Kaelten | hows it going cladhaire? |
| 02:09.23 | cladhaire | eeh its okay |
| 02:09.32 | Kaelten | hehe, sounds like fun |
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| 02:37.32 | Tem | oh man that was fucking awesome |
| 02:37.57 | Tem | we just killed vael with the greatest combo ever |
| 02:38.02 | Tem | the entire raid was dead |
| 02:38.12 | Tem | except one person who was afk |
| 02:38.18 | Tem | and a dot killed him |
| 02:40.53 | Tem | (a dot killed Vael while he was busy porting the afk person to him after everyone else was dead) |
| 02:41.08 | haste | :-P |
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| 03:06.17 | zespri_work | Cairenn |
| 03:06.38 | Cairenn | zespri_work |
| 03:07.34 | zespri_work | Tell me please where expression spin doctor came from? I know what it means but I have no slightest idea how 'spin' and 'doctor' came together to mean it. (This is of course if you know the answer) |
| 03:08.37 | Cairenn | haven't the foggiest |
| 03:09.24 | Cairenn | I mean, I can make some guesses, but |
| 03:09.39 | Cairenn | to "doctor" the books (accounting) |
| 03:09.46 | Cairenn | to "doctor" a story |
| 03:09.57 | zespri_work | and spin? |
| 03:09.58 | Cairenn | and to "put a spin on" something |
| 03:10.27 | Cairenn | which is to say, to twist it around like a spinning top until it goes the way you want it to |
| 03:11.00 | Cairenn | so that black becomes white, night becomes day |
| 03:11.05 | zespri_work | right. thank you =) |
| 03:11.09 | Cairenn | that's about the best I can come up with |
| 03:11.27 | Cairenn | who or how or even *why* they coined the phrase, I don't know |
| 03:11.51 | Cairenn | but that's my best guess as to how they put it together |
| 03:11.55 | norganna | sounds good to me cair |
| 03:12.30 | zespri_work | yeah, it makes much more sense after your explanation |
| 03:12.57 | Cairenn | you know zespri, that's one of the things I love about you ... you aren't afraid to ask when you don't understand an expression |
| 03:13.14 | zespri_work | oops, that's embarrasing |
| 03:13.18 | Cairenn | no it isn't |
| 03:13.22 | Cairenn | or rather, it shouldn't be |
| 03:13.27 | Cairenn | that was a compliment, trust me |
| 03:13.52 | Cairenn | have you heard the expression "to doctor the books" when referring to accounting, before? |
| 03:14.15 | Cairenn | that one, I can explain |
| 03:14.42 | zespri_work | no, but I have enough background to understand it right without a dictionary (At list I beleive I do) |
| 03:15.06 | Cairenn | well, a (medical) doctor fixes things, right? |
| 03:15.13 | zespri_work | I think this means to alter the records to a desirable state |
| 03:15.20 | Cairenn | so, someone that "doctors" the books ... yup, exactly |
| 03:15.26 | zespri_work | even if this state doesn't nescesarry relect truth |
| 03:15.38 | Cairenn | they "fix" them so that they seem to say whatever it is they want them to say |
| 03:15.44 | zespri_work | (and in most case it's the whole point) |
| 03:15.48 | Cairenn | yup |
| 03:16.20 | Cairenn | so, a spin doctor is someone who "spins" the story to "fix" it to make it seem the way [whoever] wants it to be |
| 03:16.50 | zespri_work | well, I asked you because I was confident that you would answer if you know how |
| 03:17.29 | Cairenn | most often "spin doctor" is used in politics |
| 03:17.31 | zespri_work | It was unlikely that you would brush me off |
| 03:17.39 | Cairenn | not a chance |
| 03:17.55 | Cairenn | I may not have it 100% right, but I told you that right up front |
| 03:20.22 | zespri_work | I heard this expression alot in context so I understand what it means, I also had a look in the dictionary, so I'm *very* confident that I got it right. I just asked whic meanings of 'spin' and 'doctor' was factored in, and I think you answered with flying colours. The most useful for me was "to put a spin on" and "to spin a story". This puts this expression in prespective |
| 03:20.39 | zespri_work | So I thank you a lot, and now I'm terribly tired of this topic, lol =) |
| 03:20.41 | Cairenn | cool |
| 03:20.43 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 03:20.44 | FreshAnduinClean | google ftw |
| 03:21.02 | Cairenn | google isn't interactive though Anduin |
| 03:21.13 | FreshAnduinClean | only problem is SpinDoctor is a software product |
| 03:21.45 | Cairenn | you can look something up on google and get a definition, but it may not make sense still |
| 03:21.59 | Cairenn | sometimes you need someone to talk back and forth with until it "makes sense" |
| 03:22.23 | zespri_work | for definitions there are quite a few good online dictionaries, let alone paper ones |
| 03:22.25 | Cairenn | lord knows that's true enough for me |
| 03:22.47 | Cairenn | <== very dense by times |
| 03:23.42 | Cairenn | lol, ask Kaelten about that, when he was trying to get some coding concepts through my thick skull |
| 03:23.50 | Cairenn | right Kaelten? |
| 03:23.55 | Kaelten | shes a quick learner |
| 03:24.00 | Cairenn | yeah, right |
| 03:24.03 | Kaelten | she just refuses to believe it |
| 03:24.23 | Cairenn | I seem to recall a few times that you had to explain something about 10 different ways until you came up with something that made sense to me |
| 03:24.44 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep, sweet dreams |
| 03:27.36 | clad|sleep | Night Cairenn =) |
| 03:32.28 | zespri_work | 17 May -- World Telecommunication Day |
| 03:32.44 | zespri_work | UN recognized, lol |
| 03:32.56 | zespri_work | let's all celebrate |
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| 03:37.25 | FreshAnduinClean | oh net, i would liek to say thx for a much better search |
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| 04:41.13 | Tem | something is really strange with ctra |
| 04:41.28 | Tem | if we change the channel it's causing *massive* lag |
| 04:41.48 | Tem | to the point where people are getting kicked from the server |
| 04:43.14 | Cairenn|sleep | night all |
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| 07:19.53 | kevinlabs | anyone around? |
| 07:24.26 | Kalroth | I'm here! |
| 07:24.54 | Industrial | im an invisible ninja monkey |
| 07:24.59 | Industrial | i fling poo |
| 07:25.04 | Industrial | and disappear in clouds of smoke |
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| 08:30.02 | s|loup | hi |
| 08:34.37 | Kalroth | guten tag, ich trage keine hosen! |
| 08:35.07 | Elkano | Oo |
| 08:38.19 | s|loup | oO |
| 08:38.47 | Kalroth | well my german is a bit rusty |
| 08:38.47 | s|loup | its not interesting if wear pants or not |
| 08:39.22 | s|loup | trousers |
| 08:39.30 | s|loup | i mean |
| 08:40.58 | Kalroth | you leave my trousers alone! |
| 08:41.01 | s|loup | and i have also lost the you in that sentence goodness |
| 08:42.36 | s|loup | no you have leave your trousers alone, kick it to the ground and walking to your pc to tell us you have no trousers ^^ |
| 08:43.09 | Kalroth | Oh, I'm at work and they don't mind! |
| 08:43.33 | s|loup | hihi |
| 08:44.07 | s|loup | going to work without trousers hm should be interesting in public ;) |
| 08:57.02 | FreshAnduinClean | oi that run took way too long |
| 08:57.09 | FreshAnduinClean | 6.5 hr mc |
| 08:57.28 | FreshAnduinClean | usually only takes us 4hrs but we were noob tonight |
| 08:58.24 | Kalroth | lol |
| 08:58.29 | Kalroth | 6.5 hours in MC >< |
| 09:00.47 | FreshAnduinClean | ya, everyone was pissy |
| 09:04.31 | Wobin_ | Any rogues/druids on? |
| 09:05.10 | Kalroth | I got mad stealth hax for my warrior, do I count?! |
| 09:05.17 | Wobin_ | Actually, I should clarify. Are there any mouse using rogue/druids =) |
| 09:05.18 | Elkano | heard of but not seen |
| 09:05.38 | FreshAnduinClean | I got 2nd on healing meters, above 4 priests |
| 09:06.08 | AnduinLothar | sleep time |
| 09:06.16 | Kalroth | g'night Anduin |
| 09:06.58 | s|loup | n8 |
| 09:08.22 | s|loup | im a druid and yes i play wow with a mouse |
| 09:08.43 | Wobin_ | Do you use any specific actionbar addon? |
| 09:09.06 | s|loup | nope :/ |
| 09:09.43 | Wobin_ | Well it'll work for you =) |
| 09:10.20 | Wobin_ | I just want to test it using other actionbar addons =) |
| 09:10.21 | s|loup | i am now disqualified ? |
| 09:10.31 | Wobin_ | not at all , just pulling up the link |
| 09:10.32 | s|loup | ^^ |
| 09:10.41 | Wobin_ | http://svn.wowace.com/dl.php?repname=Ace+SVN&path=%2Ftrunk%2FGonffBar%2F&rev=0&isdir=1 |
| 09:11.11 | s|loup | looks like i need ace or is it included? |
| 09:11.46 | Wobin_ | you'll need ace |
| 09:12.03 | Wobin_ | embedded ace hasn't come about yet |
| 09:12.03 | s|loup | hm so i must refuse :/ |
| 09:12.10 | Wobin_ | alas |
| 09:12.25 | Wobin_ | =P |
| 09:12.47 | Wobin_ | Anyway. It's a rogue energywatch addon |
| 09:13.03 | Wobin_ | that changes colours if the action you're mousing over has enough energy to execute |
| 09:13.25 | Wobin_ | So I just need rogues/druids who use different actionbutton addons to test and see if it works with theirs |
| 09:28.22 | AndreasB | <- druid using Flexbar ;) |
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| 09:41.02 | Industrial | yech |
| 09:41.03 | Industrial | :p |
| 09:48.06 | haste | ^^ |
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| 10:24.02 | Kirkburn | Mmm, 3 screen widescreen WoW :) http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=119682675&size=l |
| 10:25.07 | krka_ | O_O |
| 10:26.22 | Legorol^ | wow |
| 10:26.34 | Legorol^ | is that giving a wider FoV than normally possible? |
| 10:28.23 | Kirkburn | Legorol^, yeah I think so |
| 10:28.38 | Kirkburn | http://azeroth.metblogs.com/archives/2006/05/surround_gaming_goodness.phtml |
| 10:28.59 | Legorol^ | Kirkburn: you haxor! |
| 10:29.06 | Legorol^ | getting a wider FoV, ts ts ts |
| 10:29.13 | Kirkburn | If only |
| 10:30.08 | Kirkburn | It's be really odd though ... must be something like 270 degrees |
| 10:30.22 | Kirkburn | s/It's/It must/ |
| 10:31.59 | Legorol^ | if it does manage to get a wider FoV, that's a problem |
| 10:32.26 | Legorol^ | from what i could see of how WoW tries to scale the view, it deliberately tries not to give wider FoV |
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| 11:44.49 | groll | hmm anyone got any idea what addons uses IFrameFactory? |
| 11:47.34 | Industrial | what is it |
| 11:50.16 | groll | some library |
| 11:50.34 | groll | it has a corrupt toc file aparantly but i'm fixing it myself now |
| 11:54.41 | Industrial | oh the frame recycling thing? |
| 11:54.50 | Industrial | its not hard to make that yourself :\ |
| 12:09.39 | zespri | Legorol, Cair has been wanting you all day |
| 12:10.09 | Kalroth | poor Lego, he probably broke something! |
| 12:10.38 | zespri | I prefer to think that he has won a prize =) |
| 12:11.50 | krka_ | ... i don't want to know! |
| 12:27.15 | JoshBorke | ( groll ): i'm pretty sure it's coolDown |
| 12:29.13 | groll | yep i fount out |
| 12:29.15 | groll | found |
| 12:38.20 | Industrial | caiwwenn and wego, witting in a tweee |
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| 12:41.34 | Wobin_ | I've got one library called FreezeFrame |
| 12:41.37 | Wobin_ | on the SVN |
| 12:41.44 | Wobin_ | haven't written it up yet though |
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| 13:02.51 | s|loup | is it possible to give a channel an alias? instead of using the number using a short letter? |
| 13:16.37 | zespri | s|loup it should be possible with an addon, but I don't know if there is such an addon |
| 13:17.07 | s|loup | ok |
| 13:30.15 | wereHamster | EU forums down? |
| 13:30.49 | s|loup | as usual |
| 13:39.16 | Kalroth | they're crap as usual :) |
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| 13:48.35 | s|loup | is mindcontrol an effect for UnitIsCharmed("unit") ? |
| 14:05.03 | neko | it's a charm yeah... |
| 14:18.03 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 14:18.10 | Wobin_ | as a rogue I want str over sta? |
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| 14:28.45 | grimman | Lo all. |
| 14:28.50 | grimman | /wave Cairenn |
| 14:32.37 | neko | Wobin_: for dps? |
| 14:32.44 | neko | str is AP so... |
| 14:32.56 | Wobin_ | well in general |
| 14:33.44 | Wobin_ | Trying to compare a couple of gloves |
| 14:34.27 | neko | aged core leather gloves ftw |
| 14:34.32 | neko | for raid dps |
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| 14:42.00 | Cairenn | wheeee, net split |
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| 15:09.32 | Kirkburn|Uni | So much excitment here today :) |
| 15:10.02 | Cairenn | yeah, it's just ... |
| 15:10.11 | Kirkburn | Rockin'? |
| 15:10.15 | Kirkburn | ;) |
| 15:10.26 | Cairenn | conversation flying so fast and furious it's impossible to keep up with any one conversation, telling ya! |
| 15:10.35 | Kirkburn | I knows it! |
| 15:11.21 | Cairenn | heh |
| 15:14.29 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 15:14.56 | Kalroth | Darn, foiled! |
| 15:15.18 | Cairenn | well of course foiled! |
| 15:15.33 | Kirkburn|Green | hehe |
| 15:17.04 | Cairenn | aliens will eat your brain if you aren't foiled! |
| 15:18.14 | Kalroth | lies, i neevr weer tonfool hats and im verry fien! |
| 15:18.34 | Cairenn | you only think you are fine, that's what they want you to think |
| 15:18.47 | Cairenn | pick one |
| 15:19.22 | Cairenn | coward, you don't want to know the aliens ate your brain because you weren't foiled! |
| 15:19.42 | Kalroth | But I like it here! |
| 15:19.53 | Cairenn | DOOMED! |
| 15:23.57 | Cairenn | besides, who decided the pill was green? maybe it's yellow with purple strips and pink polkadots |
| 15:24.04 | Cairenn | maybe it isn't a pill at all! |
| 15:24.18 | Cairenn | it's the doing of the aliens |
| 15:28.27 | Kalroth | pew |
| 15:28.35 | Kalroth | this green pill tastes of lemon! |
| 15:28.58 | Cairenn | does not |
| 15:29.03 | Cairenn | you only think it does |
| 15:31.43 | Cairenn | okay, this is boring, later all |
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| 17:41.41 | Miravlix | Hmm, interesting, we got an email from a publisher looking for writers to make a UI book for wow. (We = Cosmos) |
| 17:42.16 | wereHamster | sounds great :) |
| 17:47.52 | Kirkburn|Green | oooh |
| 17:48.10 | Kirkburn|Green | Er, they do realise it might be out of date rather quickly? |
| 17:48.48 | Miravlix | Depends on what you write in it. |
| 17:48.57 | Tem | Cide-: you around? |
| 17:49.05 | Cide- | I think so |
| 17:49.42 | Miravlix | If it's an API referance, then the next patch will make it out of date. |
| 17:49.45 | Gryphen | A reason to sell Volume 2 :) |
| 17:49.49 | Kirkburn|Green | heh |
| 17:50.09 | Kirkburn|Green | There's lots you could say about non-changing UI stuff anyway |
| 17:50.26 | Kirkburn|Green | What type of bok though? Guide to making addons? |
| 17:50.29 | Kirkburn|Green | *book |
| 17:50.44 | Miravlix | Embedded Libraries, Event handlers, OnUpdate handlers |
| 17:50.56 | Miravlix | All that stuff is something you can make a guide to that will last |
| 17:51.58 | Gryphen | He just said a title on modifying the WoW UI. |
| 17:52.10 | Cide- | Tem: why? |
| 17:52.27 | Tem | I saw something really really odd last night with CTRA |
| 17:52.35 | Cide- | hm? |
| 17:52.41 | Tem | I was wondering if it was a known issue |
| 17:52.43 | Kirkburn|Green | A bunny? |
| 17:52.49 | Cide | Magical Trevor? |
| 17:52.50 | Tem | people got stuck in a MT broadcast loop |
| 17:52.56 | Kirkburn|Green | Booooring |
| 17:52.56 | Cide | ah, yes |
| 17:53.01 | Tem | it was... nasty |
| 17:53.03 | Cide | that was fixed in our latest version |
| 17:53.09 | Tem | changing channels caused people to crash |
| 17:53.16 | Tem | it was kinda funny |
| 17:53.19 | Miravlix | Don't think they have defined what will be in the book very clearly, or he would have included more information. |
| 17:53.24 | Cide | yeah, I had some buggy code for that part |
| 17:53.37 | Cide | it wasn't really a loop, it's just that.. |
| 17:53.43 | Tem | I was watching the CTRA channel and I noticed people spamming the hell out of the channel |
| 17:53.52 | Tem | so I changed it |
| 17:53.52 | Cide | every person whose name was < the first officer sent out 40 broadcasts per MT |
| 17:53.59 | Elkano | ~seen maldivia |
| 17:54.03 | purl | maldivia <i=the_real@85.24.45.196> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 20h 40m 48s ago, saying: 'MentalPower: should be, it's just returns a standard unix timestamp (seconds since epoch)'. |
| 17:54.04 | Tem | then I watched as 2/3 of our raid got disconnected |
| 17:54.10 | Cide | officer meaning promoted player in the raid |
| 17:54.43 | Tem | aha |
| 17:54.55 | Cide | it now only sends out one broadcast per 8 seconds or so (ie, enough to catch all status requests in one broadcast), and only one person does it (properly, this time) |
| 17:55.07 | Tem | cool |
| 17:55.13 | Tem | so I'll tell everyone to update their stuff |
| 17:55.18 | Tem | thanks |
| 17:55.19 | Cide | ya, everyone needs to update |
| 17:55.21 | Cide | np |
| 17:55.32 | Tem | what's the version number? |
| 17:55.57 | Miravlix | How about transfairing code updates on channels? |
| 17:56.01 | Cide | 1.535, I believe |
| 17:56.11 | Miravlix | With loadstring and stuff couldn't some things be transfaired? |
| 17:56.31 | Tem | it could |
| 17:56.41 | Tem | but then you have your program in SV |
| 17:56.44 | Tem | which is... odd |
| 17:56.49 | Miravlix | And then we would see viruses |
| 17:56.52 | Cide | and fairly annoying |
| 17:56.57 | Miravlix | It's a bad idea |
| 17:57.00 | Cide | I should invent wow viruses with ctra! |
| 17:57.07 | Cide | Yes; I can see it now. |
| 17:57.40 | Cide | fairly interesting concept, I must say :) |
| 17:58.52 | Miravlix | If you can transfair the code, you can also save it? |
| 17:59.13 | Miravlix | So instead of downloading addons, you have one addon and download from others in game |
| 17:59.55 | Cide | that would take a quite long time, but I guess yes, theoretically |
| 18:01.16 | Miravlix | If they would give us the public/private key system as a API, we could make it fairly secure too, with signed code |
| 18:02.22 | Elkano | hmmm... a CTRA virus, that doesn't effect eg oRA... *evil grin* ;) |
| 18:03.04 | Tem | last night we had as close to a "virus" as I ever want to see |
| 18:03.28 | Cide | I wonder if that was related to the "freezing" issues people have been having |
| 18:03.35 | Cide | or if that's still the "old" bug lurking |
| 18:03.41 | Tem | I switched the channel to attempt to stop the MT spam and watched as 2/3 of my raid locked up and disconected |
| 18:03.57 | Cide | luckily, that "should" only happen out of combat |
| 18:04.11 | Tem | It was most unpleasent to be moments from pulling Firemaw to waitint 15 minutes for people to get back |
| 18:04.24 | Cide | sorry :/ |
| 18:04.48 | Tem | heh |
| 18:04.53 | Tem | it was kinda funny |
| 18:05.08 | Cide | what was hilarious is the first time I did /ratrevor |
| 18:05.15 | Tem | :) |
| 18:05.19 | Tem | that's not still in is it? |
| 18:05.23 | Cide | too big :P |
| 18:05.41 | Cide | it increased the file size by like 1mb |
| 18:05.56 | Cide | granted I didn't do my best to compress it and the liek |
| 18:06.05 | Cide | s/liek/like/ |
| 18:06.26 | Tem | last night was a really... weird raid |
| 18:06.43 | Tem | we had slow motion razor |
| 18:07.02 | Tem | and the greatest vael kill ever |
| 18:07.55 | Tem | During the Razor fight, every instant spellcast took 2ish seconds |
| 18:08.10 | Tem | best part was, it seemed to be effecting the mobs too! |
| 18:08.25 | Cide | yep, server lag does that |
| 18:08.36 | Tem | it was the strangest encounter ever |
| 18:08.55 | Tem | Then for Vael we had one person AFK back in Razor's room |
| 18:09.12 | Tem | Vael killed us all except for the one AFK person |
| 18:09.32 | Tem | while he was trying to chace him down, a corruption tick killed him |
| 18:09.44 | Tem | s/him/the afk person/ |
| 18:09.51 | Tem | it was awesome |
| 18:10.32 | Cide | haha |
| 18:10.43 | Cide | we had a huhuran kill for like 3 weeks ago when we were still learning the encounter |
| 18:10.52 | Cide | where we got her down to 1% |
| 18:10.55 | Cide | 4 CoD's on her |
| 18:11.14 | Cide | and we see this lone warlock standing up while she's beating on him.. he had used a flask of petrification |
| 18:11.23 | Cide | and the CoD's go off one by one |
| 18:11.31 | Cide | she's still standing when there's 1 CoD left |
| 18:11.39 | [MoonWolf] | BANG BANG BANG |
| 18:11.42 | Cide | the lock's own CoD goes off and she falls down.. it was awesome |
| 18:12.34 | Tem | nice lol |
| 18:12.46 | Tem | so, there *is* a use for petrification potions... |
| 18:13.09 | [MoonWolf] | yes, clearly they were ment to kill vael. |
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| 18:22.51 | wereHamster | Code, what framestrata have CTRA frames? |
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| 18:22.57 | wereHamster | s/code/cide/ |
| 18:29.56 | Cide | used to have MEDIUM |
| 18:30.09 | Cide | but since that caused the whole freezing issue [for most people], I changed it to HIGH |
| 18:30.41 | Cide | might be better to have it as LOW though, but I haven't really thought much about it |
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| 18:32.56 | wereHamster | HIGH is unfortunate.. it overlaps bag addons or other that most people want to have on top of the raid frames.. |
| 18:34.30 | Cide | I would like to use MEDIUM, but I still don't know what caused the lag, and I don't know if it's fixed |
| 18:34.39 | Cide | s/lag/freezing/ |
| 18:35.51 | wereHamster | Cide, maybe it's because most of the frames are MEDIUM and the layout engine doesn't like that much frames in one strata.. ? |
| 18:36.25 | Cide | that doesn't (to me, at least) explain why it only happens when the health bars are of certain heights |
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| 18:38.21 | Wobin_ | how do I format a string to only show say 3 decimal places? |
| 18:38.26 | Wobin_ | %3d? |
| 18:38.39 | Iriel | %.3d |
| 18:38.43 | Wobin_ | ta |
| 18:38.48 | Iriel | well, thhat will force 3 decimal places |
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| 19:11.06 | grimman | Hm... wonder when, in this torrent of chatting, I could possibly get a word in. ;) |
| 19:12.24 | Wobin_ | Don't like your chances =P |
| 19:13.32 | grimman | Could be pretty damned hard. |
| 19:13.41 | grimman | Wonder how many are watching ESC today. |
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| 19:14.52 | grimman | /greet Cairenn |
| 19:15.02 | Cairenn | hi again |
| 19:16.10 | Iriel | ESC? |
| 19:16.27 | grimman | Eurovision Song Crap. |
| 19:17.01 | Iriel | I suspect many of those in the US dont even know what that is |
| 19:17.32 | Wobin_ | oh Eurovision is on? |
| 19:17.35 | grimman | For once their ignorance is a good thing. ;) |
| 19:17.35 | Wobin_ | Man. |
| 19:17.38 | Wobin_ | I'm so missing out =( |
| 19:17.41 | grimman | Wobin_: Qualification rounds. |
| 19:17.46 | grimman | I hear... |
| 19:17.47 | Wobin_ | We usually have a Eurovision party |
| 19:17.56 | Wobin_ | Where we drink a lot, eat a lot and mock a lot |
| 19:18.03 | grimman | Mocking is suitable. |
| 19:18.05 | Wobin_ | It's so entertaining =P |
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| 19:18.46 | Wobin_ | I love the voting: "In Solviet Russia, we do not have phone polls, so we put together a panel of suitable judges to make our voting decisions.." |
| 19:19.18 | grimman | hehe |
| 19:19.30 | sharkhat | sounds like america |
| 19:19.52 | sharkhat | our last election was decided by a panel of _suitable_ judges |
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| 19:26.26 | grimman | This crap makes me want to cry. |
| 19:26.39 | grimman | I wonder why I'm even watching it in the first place. =( |
| 19:43.24 | Wobin_ | Is there any way of finding out (easily) what a frame's name is? |
| 19:43.45 | Wobin_ | The methods I normally use involve addons |
| 19:44.25 | Miravlix | Ask it? |
| 19:44.39 | Miravlix | this:GetName() |
| 19:47.35 | Wobin_ | well, more ingame |
| 19:47.52 | Wobin_ | I'm asking a user if they can figure out what framename their addon gives to their frames |
| 19:49.06 | Wobin_ | aha |
| 19:49.08 | grimman | GetMouseFocus():GetName(); or something. |
| 19:49.13 | Wobin_ | yeah =) |
| 19:49.14 | Wobin_ | That =) |
| 19:49.21 | Wobin_ | And since they're actionbuttons, it'll work |
| 19:50.08 | grimman | Let's hope so. |
| 19:51.00 | grimman | I can't bring myself to play WoW anymore because of my shitty guild. |
| 19:51.03 | grimman | *cry* |
| 19:51.18 | Wobin_ | roll another character =) |
| 19:51.38 | grimman | I have ten chars already. |
| 19:53.12 | grimman | And I can't use my main anymore since it's so burdened with raiding gear... and I don't raid anymore. ;P |
| 19:53.43 | grimman | Bleh. |
| 19:57.23 | Iriel | WHy does having 10 chars stop you from creating a new one? |
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| 19:57.39 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 19:57.43 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:57.45 | grimman | Iriel: That's on my main server. ;P |
| 19:57.54 | Iriel | You just said you didn't like your guild |
| 19:58.03 | Iriel | so presumably you'd create a new character on another server anyway |
| 19:58.09 | Shouryuu | Feel the love... |
| 19:58.11 | grimman | I have a few on other servers. |
| 19:58.19 | grimman | I don't like not using my "proper" chars. |
| 19:59.00 | Iriel | So leave your guild |
| 19:59.14 | grimman | Probably gonna do that. |
| 20:10.55 | grimman | Lordi on ESC at the moment. ^^ |
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| 20:24.09 | kremonte | how do you round a number in lua? =x |
| 20:24.33 | Shouryuu | math.floor ? |
| 20:24.48 | kremonte | to a specified amount |
| 20:24.58 | kremonte | (in this case, to nearest tenth) |
| 20:25.59 | Wobin_ | string.format("%.2f", num) =P |
| 20:26.08 | kremonte | yay |
| 20:26.09 | Wobin_ | tonumber(string.format("%.2f", num)) |
| 20:26.10 | kremonte | domo arigato |
| 20:26.55 | Iriel | you're not actually answering his question tho |
| 20:27.01 | kremonte | ._. |
| 20:27.08 | Iriel | it's string.format("%.1f", num + 0.05) |
| 20:27.27 | kremonte | + 0.05? |
| 20:27.31 | Iriel | for a sufficiently convenient definition of 'nearest tenth' |
| 20:27.47 | kremonte | ah |
| 20:27.48 | Iriel | you said nearest |
| 20:27.57 | Iriel | you need the 0.05 to make sure that >= 0.05 rounds up |
| 20:27.59 | kremonte | don't know how exact it is, just doing a dps calc thing |
| 20:29.08 | kremonte | hm |
| 20:29.14 | kremonte | it's giving me +.1 off for my OH weapon |
| 20:29.18 | kremonte | 0.05 makes it +.2 of |
| 20:29.21 | kremonte | s/of/off/ |
| 20:30.47 | Iriel | well, either you've introduced a rounding error somewhere |
| 20:30.54 | Iriel | or you're not compensating for someone else's rounding error |
| 20:31.56 | kremonte | function calculateDPS(min, max, speed) return tonumber(string.format("%.1f", (max - (ceil(.5*(max-min))))/speed))end |
| 20:31.58 | kremonte | is my function |
| 20:32.56 | krka | seems unnecessarily complex |
| 20:33.00 | kremonte | eh? |
| 20:33.15 | krka | convert to string and back again? |
| 20:33.21 | Iriel | Why do you have ceil in there? |
| 20:33.31 | Iriel | never apply rounding until the very, very, very end |
| 20:33.33 | Iriel | ever |
| 20:33.43 | kremonte | it wasn't giving me accurate results before |
| 20:33.46 | kremonte | i'll remove it for a sec |
| 20:33.59 | kremonte | yea, now it's off again |
| 20:34.08 | Iriel | 'off' relative to what? |
| 20:34.20 | kremonte | i'm basing my accuracy off of the character tab |
| 20:34.26 | krka | function calculateDPS(min, max, speed) return (max + min) / (2* speed) end |
| 20:34.28 | kremonte | if you mouse over Damage in the Melee Attack part |
| 20:34.53 | kremonte | krka: that's giving me inaccurate answers and a long float |
| 20:34.54 | Iriel | wouldn't it just be (min + max) / (speed + 2) |
| 20:35.13 | Iriel | speed * 2 even |
| 20:35.18 | krka | that's what i wrote |
| 20:35.31 | kremonte | i get 55.43478~ when i do that |
| 20:35.31 | Iriel | yeah, but yours is unnecessarily complex, i feel |
| 20:35.35 | kremonte | the character tab says 55.2 |
| 20:35.42 | cmunn | Anyone here play a paladin? |
| 20:35.42 | kremonte | when i use ceil() i get 55.2 |
| 20:35.48 | krka | not really seeing our difference Iriel :) |
| 20:35.57 | Iriel | you reference max twice |
| 20:35.59 | Iriel | instead of just once |
| 20:36.01 | Iriel | for a start |
| 20:36.12 | krka | no i don't |
| 20:36.15 | krka | here's what i wrote: |
| 20:36.19 | krka | function calculateDPS(min, max, speed) return (max + min) / (2* speed) end |
| 20:36.23 | Iriel | Oh, sorry, too many k's 8-) |
| 20:36.24 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 20:36.49 | krka | k |
| 20:36.59 | kremonte | ._. |
| 20:37.03 | kremonte | so |
| 20:37.09 | kremonte | the way wow calculates dps is bonkers? |
| 20:37.24 | Iriel | kremonte : Does floor((min + max) / 2) / speed give you wow's answer? |
| 20:38.32 | kremonte | same margin of error my original function had |
| 20:38.42 | kremonte | it's accurate for my MH both times (with AP and without) but not for my OH |
| 20:38.45 | kremonte | it's .1 higher |
| 20:39.24 | Iriel | My bet is that you're adjusting for a simplification in wow's math |
| 20:39.28 | Tem | hey Cide, you still around? |
| 20:39.36 | kremonte | huh? |
| 20:39.38 | kremonte | my intent? |
| 20:39.45 | Iriel | probably using (int) to truncate floats (i.e. floor) |
| 20:39.55 | Cide | yep, Tem |
| 20:39.56 | kremonte | i'm so confused, big words ; ; |
| 20:40.12 | Iriel | The question is.. do you want to know the actual DPS |
| 20:40.20 | Iriel | Or do you want to know what wow would tell you the DPS is? |
| 20:40.24 | Tem | Cide: have you gotten any reports from users of CTRA randomly "bonging" (as if someone said somthing in /rs) both in and out of combat? |
| 20:40.34 | Cide | yes, but not recently |
| 20:40.38 | Tem | Cide: I wanna tell them it's not CTRA doing that, but I figured I'd ask you first |
| 20:40.39 | Cide | in AQ40? |
| 20:40.43 | Tem | possibly |
| 20:40.53 | Cide | I believe the sartura boss mod used to do that, but was fixed |
| 20:40.57 | kremonte | i'm trying to found out what wow uses |
| 20:41.05 | kremonte | though i don't really care, it was just a wierd anamoly |
| 20:41.06 | cmunn | Sounds like someone needs to Update then bitch |
| 20:41.17 | cmunn | <3 |
| 20:41.20 | Tem | yeah.. people in my guild are bad about updating |
| 20:42.13 | Cide | people in my guild get /slapped if they don't |
| 20:42.21 | cmunn | people are bad about updating "But my copy works just fine.... I only wish they would fix that damn [fixed 3 updates ago] bug" |
| 20:42.56 | cmunn | Well, you're lucky... You've got a good excuse to slap people if they don't. |
| 20:43.16 | Cide | true |
| 20:43.38 | Cide | but I also supplied them an updater so that they can click a button and get the latest beta |
| 20:43.46 | Cide | so their complaints mostly stopped after that |
| 20:43.47 | kremonte | wtb ctra updater |
| 20:43.48 | kremonte | pst |
| 20:43.52 | Cide | it's for betas only :P |
| 20:43.57 | kremonte | i like betas |
| 20:44.00 | kremonte | cause i can fix bugs too |
| 20:44.12 | Cide | ya, but I don't use it very much anymore! |
| 20:44.18 | cmunn | oh yes... wtb updater |
| 20:44.20 | kremonte | it makes me feel so much more.. superior to them , knowing i will not be so stupid as they are |
| 20:44.32 | kremonte | lawloalwolawolowlwo razorgore.ytmnd.com i'm so original |
| 20:44.39 | cmunn | Is it mac compatible? |
| 20:44.46 | kremonte | so wait |
| 20:44.48 | Cide | no |
| 20:44.52 | kremonte | if you don't use it much anymore |
| 20:45.02 | kremonte | are your guildies whiny again? |
| 20:45.12 | Cide | no, I don't give them betas to test :P |
| 20:45.18 | kremonte | :( |
| 20:45.32 | kremonte | you're racist against Tromes |
| 20:46.00 | Cide | :) |
| 20:50.09 | cmunn | I'm still trying to get my guild to stop hosting an outdated zip of CTRA and just point to the ctmod site |
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| 20:56.30 | Kirkburn|Green | Heh, if anyone ever complains about the weapon size in WoW, just point them to this pic of RFO online: http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/padmeamanda/rfoAva29.jpg |
| 20:56.47 | Kirkburn|Green | That's on a lvl 29 (out of 50) char |
| 20:57.02 | Kirkburn|Green | (and yes, I meant RF Online) |
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| 21:04.07 | grimman | Kirkburn|Green: How's the DB guild "market" right now? |
| 21:04.20 | Kirkburn|Green | You want a new guild? |
| 21:04.24 | grimman | Aye. |
| 21:04.48 | Shouryuu | My god, "Yes Minister" is such so god damn funny |
| 21:04.50 | grimman | I have talked to the GM (I think) of one. |
| 21:05.15 | Kirkburn|Green | Well, there's always VoM ... we're nice :) |
| 21:05.31 | grimman | Nice... I see. |
| 21:05.52 | grimman | 3M is a bunch of self centered assbites for the most part. I don't want that. |
| 21:05.52 | Kirkburn|Green | I don't know about others really |
| 21:05.59 | Kirkburn|Green | 3M? |
| 21:06.11 | Kirkburn|Green | I've not been following too much recently |
| 21:06.17 | grimman | I have my rogue for grinding and I want tier0.5... I've asked for help for like a month or two. |
| 21:06.34 | Kirkburn|Green | The Booty Bat Surf Club are splitters from VoM (damn splitters!) |
| 21:06.47 | Kirkburn|Green | *Bay, obviously |
| 21:06.50 | grimman | Res+Revs(+MWP). |
| 21:07.32 | Kirkburn|Green | If you're just wanting casual fun, VoM should be good ... you don't have to do anything you don't want |
| 21:07.42 | Kirkburn|Green | But we have two raid groups set up |
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| 21:08.19 | Kirkburn|Green | (http://www.vikingsofmidgard.com) |
| 21:08.44 | qw` | would it be naughty to modify my own copy of Auctioneer to scan through the pages faster than 9.9 auctions per sec? |
| 21:09.06 | Kirkburn|Green | er, I don't think so, no |
| 21:09.07 | Shouryuu | Why would that be naughty? |
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| 21:09.33 | Kirkburn|Green | qw`, the Hackity Hack Police will come and beat you. |
| 21:09.39 | qw` | I seem to remember the auction servers got under a heavy strain with the first versions of auctioneer because they didn't have a hardcoded delay |
| 21:09.50 | Kirkburn|Green | Well, you're only one person |
| 21:10.03 | Iriel | The only risk is that if you do it, you may be the person who makes it a big enough issue that they shut down scanning altogether |
| 21:10.23 | Iriel | since everyone who indepdently decides they're "only one person" will eventually add up to enough people to be annoying |
| 21:10.55 | Kirkburn|Green | :) |
| 21:11.11 | qw` | the voice of reason sucks =/ |
| 21:11.17 | Shouryuu | When is burning Crusade due? Febuary next year? |
| 21:11.18 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:11.24 | Kirkburn|Green | I think you overestimate the coding abilities of the other players |
| 21:11.27 | Iriel | The complete disregard for it sucks more 8-) |
| 21:11.37 | Kirkburn|Green | BC, before the year is out |
| 21:11.48 | Kirkburn|Green | That's the target Blizz have set themselves |
| 21:12.27 | Shouryuu | Awww that sucks |
| 21:12.29 | Kirkburn|Green | But they won't rush it out if they're running late |
| 21:12.38 | Shouryuu | I'll still be in school weh in comes out |
| 21:12.39 | Kirkburn|Green | It's better than february next year! |
| 21:12.44 | Shouryuu | No it isn't! |
| 21:12.48 | Kirkburn|Green | Xmas? |
| 21:12.49 | Shouryuu | I want it in august next year! |
| 21:12.53 | grimman | Kirkburn|Green: VoM looks OK. But like I said, I've already been in contact with another guild. We'll see how it goes. |
| 21:13.02 | Kirkburn|Green | grimman, what's the other guild btw? |
| 21:13.18 | Kirkburn|Green | Shouryuu, I want it in august THIS year :P |
| 21:13.55 | grimman | Kirkburn|Green: I could tell you, but I haven't told anyone and you're not that special. |
| 21:13.56 | grimman | ;D |
| 21:14.10 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:14.12 | Kirkburn|Green | lol, er, fair enough. |
| 21:14.15 | grimman | People have asked, I mean, and if they don't get to know you don't either. |
| 21:14.47 | Kirkburn|Green | But I am special!! People always tell me that ... |
| 21:14.47 | grimman | =) |
| 21:16.04 | grimman | There are two kinds of special, Kirkburn|Green... Special and special. The world is case sensitive. |
| 21:16.38 | qw` | do you guys use an IDE to edit the LUA files, maybe with codecompletion, error detection and some deviation of javadoc? That would be awesome. :D |
| 21:16.59 | grimman | Syntax highlighting only for my part. |
| 21:18.07 | grimman | Oh, and my editor will auto-"complete" a few functions as well, but that's about it. |
| 21:18.43 | qw` | sweet, at least it's better than notepad |
| 21:19.03 | grimman | ;P |
| 21:19.11 | Shouryuu | Night folks |
| 21:19.19 | Shouryuu | might get some decentsleep tonight! |
| 21:19.24 | grimman | EditPlus anyway + some LUA stuff Lozareth published. |
| 21:19.49 | grimman | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=704 |
| 21:19.52 | Wobin_ | Vim |
| 21:20.00 | Wobin_ | it does everything I need including autocomplete |
| 21:20.49 | qw` | underlining syntax errors too? |
| 21:21.30 | Iriel | I use emacs with lua-mode |
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| 21:21.40 | Iriel | But I dont use autocompletion |
| 21:21.54 | Wobin_ | easy, don't make syntax errors =) |
| 21:22.07 | Wobin_ | it'll show you missing brackets and soforth though |
| 21:22.33 | Wobin_ | The autocomplete I have completes with any word in the open docs |
| 21:22.45 | Wobin_ | makes coding a whole lot faster |
| 21:23.58 | Iriel | You presumably type much slower than I do |
| 21:24.22 | Iriel | Well, it actually depends, tab completion on javadocs could have some benefit |
| 21:24.35 | Iriel | but for lua code I would think it a liability |
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| 21:28.58 | grimman | Time for bed. |
| 21:28.59 | grimman | Nn, people. |
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| 22:12.26 | Kirkburn|Green | Well isn't this fun |
| 22:12.49 | Cairen1 | I may disappear for a while, got one hell of a T-storm heading in |
| 22:14.17 | Kirkburn|Green | I just noticed, my nick still applies - I'm still watching Green Wing :D |
| 22:15.15 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Karen@CPE00045a2bfcbc-CM000f212f84be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:15.20 | Kirkburn|Green | You're missing out over there |
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| 22:35.53 | Tem | oh I like those |
| 22:37.10 | End | purl needs an ~exception person to throw random exceptions at people... |
| 22:37.20 | Tem | yay! something to do |
| 22:37.29 | End | :O |
| 22:38.23 | End | well...maybe not to deatgh |
| 22:38.27 | End | er, death |
| 22:38.34 | End | but, I've done an awful lot of it |
| 22:39.05 | End | (yet, somehow, I've managed to get some work done too....) |
| 22:42.59 | qw` | I remember in an old version of CT Raid Assist the team frame would dissappear when you entered a raid if you checked an option for it, but can't find the option any more. Removed? |
| 22:43.29 | End | I...think so. |
| 22:43.48 | Kirkburn|Green | Why do I get the feeling it's bad weather over Cairenn way ... |
| 22:44.49 | End | qw`, you might check to see if there is some blizz option to make it disappear (hopefully make it disappear depending on raid status??)... |
| 22:44.55 | End | I'm just being hopeful though |
| 22:45.10 | qw` | I'll check, thanks |
| 22:45.41 | qw` | yeah there is, but I'm using nurfed unit frames ack |
| 22:46.03 | qw` | and they don't go away when I enter a raid. I'll check the options for them also. |
| 22:47.34 | qw` | nope |
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| 22:52.56 | Cair|StormWatch | mmmm, sitting under canvas, listening to the rain beat down, watching the lightening flash across the sky, the thunder rumbling and cracking so hard you can feel it as well as hear it, the air smells so fresh ... wonderful |
| 22:53.30 | Kirkburn|Green | I certainly agree - I this your current situation?? |
| 22:53.38 | Kirkburn|Green | s/I/is/ |
| 22:53.46 | Tem | lol try again |
| 22:53.47 | End | lol |
| 22:53.49 | Kirkburn|Green | purl, you failed me :( |
| 22:53.54 | Cair|StormWatch | aye |
| 22:54.01 | Kirkburn|Green | cool! |
| 22:54.14 | Cair|StormWatch | well, not *right* now, I've just come back into the house, but yeah |
| 22:54.29 | Kirkburn|Green | Aww, I thought you might be sitting outside with a laptop |
| 22:54.30 | Cair|StormWatch | was sitting out on my front deck watching the storm |
| 22:54.40 | End | sounds doomy |
| 22:54.41 | End | doom doom doom |
| 22:54.56 | Cair|StormWatch | have a canvas gazebo set up |
| 22:54.56 | Kirkburn|Green | looks flashy |
| 22:55.00 | Kirkburn|Green | flash flash flash |
| 22:55.10 | End | sorry, I should fix that |
| 22:55.12 | End | sounds boomy |
| 22:55.15 | End | boom boom boom |
| 22:55.16 | Cair|StormWatch | hehehe |
| 22:55.24 | Cair|StormWatch | it always smells so good |
| 22:55.26 | Industrial | i got a cruel barb |
| 22:55.32 | Industrial | my rogue twinkie is almost complete |
| 22:55.36 | End | I got a large bone bone |
| 22:55.43 | End | er |
| 22:55.44 | End | bear bone |
| 22:55.45 | Kirkburn|Green | LOL |
| 22:55.47 | End | >_> |
| 22:55.48 | End | <_< |
| 22:56.07 | Kirkburn|Green | I'm ... uh ... not gonna sleep well tonight |
| 22:56.08 | krka | you're really obsessing with your large bone |
| 22:56.12 | Industrial | just need 1 more armor piece, 1 more barb, some glowies and im set |
| 22:56.15 | End | well, it's very large |
| 22:56.29 | krka | that's how you get cair back in :P |
| 22:56.30 | Kirkburn|Green | Is it hard, End? |
| 22:56.43 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 22:56.49 | Industrial | End: so what |
| 22:56.53 | End | oh, definitely, but it's a bit brittle ;p |
| 22:56.58 | Tain | Put your bare bone away |
| 22:57.02 | Kirkburn|Green | Ooh, careful you don't break it |
| 22:57.04 | Industrial | End: my bone ALWAYS sticks out |
| 22:57.15 | Industrial | but then again, about 40% of my body does |
| 22:57.16 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:57.18 | Kirkburn|Green | Industrial, are you talking about your penis again? |
| 22:57.20 | Industrial | (undead..) |
| 22:57.25 | Industrial | no, about bones |
| 22:57.26 | Industrial | :D |
| 22:57.28 | Industrial | *cough* |
| 22:57.43 | End | lol |
| 22:58.38 | Industrial | what conversation? |
| 22:58.43 | Industrial | uh.. i was goin to bed |
| 22:58.46 | Industrial | nn all ^_^ |
| 22:58.54 | Kirkburn|Green | night :) |
| 22:59.04 | End | Night. |
| 22:59.08 | End | You puny mortal. |
| 22:59.10 | Industrial | *poof* |
| 22:59.14 | End | Who is...puny...and...stuff. |
| 22:59.22 | Industrial | what you say? move zig! |
| 22:59.28 | End | PUNY. |
| 22:59.38 | Industrial | yes sir? :< |
| 22:59.47 | Kirkburn | May I call you twiglet? |
| 22:59.52 | Industrial | lol |
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| 23:00.05 | zespri_work | Hello |
| 23:00.05 | Industrial | yes, you may |
| 23:00.15 | Industrial | hi zespri_work, im twiglet |
| 23:00.30 | Kirkburn | Time for bed, twiglet |
| 23:00.44 | End | yah, liek suriously tiglet |
| 23:00.55 | zespri_work | is there anybody here with british english? or australian? or new zealand? |
| 23:01.08 | Cairenn | <== |
| 23:01.08 | Industrial | time to show the girl my bone |
| 23:01.12 | Kirkburn | I'm withhhh a bristish englisshhh |
| 23:01.14 | Industrial | *badoom tisch* |
| 23:01.21 | Industrial | nn |
| 23:01.28 | Kirkburn | night again :P |
| 23:01.29 | Tain | John Carmack says he's like to do a mmo game for cellphones. |
| 23:01.40 | zespri_work | Cairenn? I thought that those in canada speak mostly american englsih lol |
| 23:01.41 | Kirkburn | Iriel is John Carmack!??! |
| 23:02.04 | Cairenn | zespri_work: nope, we speak *proper* english, thanks |
| 23:02.19 | Cairenn | we understand American, but we speak English |
| 23:02.27 | Tain | Yeah we don't let those Canadians sully up our good language. |
| 23:02.42 | Kirkburn | I rather think it's the other way around :) |
| 23:02.48 | zespri_work | lol, Cairenn, every nation says this. I actually percive new zealand way of speaking as proper =) |
| 23:02.52 | Kirkburn | You stole ours and bastardised it |
| 23:03.02 | Tain | You say bastardized, I say perfected. |
| 23:03.05 | End | I'm proud of bastardizing it. |
| 23:03.12 | End | too many s's and u's |
| 23:03.14 | Cairenn | zespri_work: but, Iriel *is* British, so ... |
| 23:03.17 | Kirkburn | Admitting it is the first step to recovery |
| 23:03.26 | zespri_work | anyway, my question is "this bug fix is slated for the next release" is "slated" exclusively american usage? |
| 23:03.30 | End | colour huh? You want my COLOURS??? |
| 23:03.30 | Tain | You have to adapt! |
| 23:03.38 | Kirkburn | How did I not know Iriel was also a brit? |
| 23:03.41 | End | well, I can't give you my colours |
| 23:03.44 | End | all I have is colors. |
| 23:03.47 | End | green, blue, red... |
| 23:03.59 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: I've no idea, it isn't precisely a secret |
| 23:04.10 | End | well, Iriel doesn't live in Britlandian |
| 23:04.12 | Cairenn | He's living and working in the US, but is very much British |
| 23:04.23 | Tain | And what's the deal with that crazy "metric" system? Who ever heard of a system of measurement based on units of 10! That's insanity! |
| 23:04.36 | Kirkburn | Well cool ... see those who speak proper english are obviously the best :P |
| 23:04.48 | Kirkburn | I know Tain ... what's your based on again? |
| 23:04.51 | Kirkburn | *yours |
| 23:04.52 | Cairenn | Tain: You're running off at the mouth again. You might want to see to that. |
| 23:05.04 | End | well, the funny thing is we stole the english (or imperial) system and pretty much kept it the same...the british went and used a different system |
| 23:05.57 | End | anyways |
| 23:05.57 | Kirkburn | I'll point out that our transport system uses imperial measurements, much to my chagrin |
| 23:05.57 | zespri_work | Dear Kirkburn, being british, could you please kindly answer my question (above)? |
| 23:05.57 | End | to home I go |
| 23:05.57 | Tain | And what is the bar size in WoW? 12 buttons in a bar? Sounds familiar, where have I heard that before... |
| 23:05.59 | Cairenn | Norgs is Australian, too, btw |
| 23:05.59 | Kirkburn | zespri_work, no, it's also bristish english |
| 23:06.01 | zespri_work | ok thanks |
| 23:06.07 | Kirkburn | (lol, my bristolian years are affecting my spelling) |
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| 23:08.28 | Kirkburn | Anyways, how's the weather in other parts of the world? Boiling hot here :) |
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| 23:08.39 | Tain | Waiting for the thunderstorms to start. |
| 23:09.43 | Kirkburn | I'd like some rain here - it'd be fun to watch and see if any more plaster falls down on my head ... |
| 23:10.12 | zespri_work | it's winter here. freezing |
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| 23:10.58 | Kirkburn | Where's that? |
| 23:11.30 | zespri_work | new zealand |
| 23:11.38 | Kirkburn | Ah, that makes sense |
| 23:11.48 | zespri_work | not really a winter but it's pretty close |
| 23:11.49 | Kirkburn | At least you get cool scenery to look at :) |
| 23:12.11 | Kirkburn | North or South? |
| 23:12.28 | zespri_work | the coolest scenery at autum is on south island, the colour of trees is very beautiful |
| 23:12.28 | Cairenn | if freezing, I'm betting south |
| 23:13.13 | zespri_work | North, but I jsut like whining =) |
| 23:14.19 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:14.35 | zespri_work | when I talk to friends back in russia it's hard to understand for them that +5 is really cold =) There are wormer houses in russia, really. NZer build their houses just to provide shelter, not to keep warmth |
| 23:16.35 | Cairenn | Not to mention the reality that it is all a matter of being acclimatized. Once you are used to temperatures being [whatever], then colder = colder, period. |
| 23:17.08 | Kirkburn | V true |
| 23:17.45 | Kirkburn | Italians in england are shocked when they see us wearing t-shirts when the temp is under 20 :) |
| 23:18.10 | zespri_work | So when you get out of bed at 8am if you don;t have a heater you will have 5 degrees outside and about 8 inside. and this is really not so pleasant |
| 23:18.29 | Kirkburn | That's ... not nice :/ |
| 23:18.58 | zespri_work | So I have a heater =) |
| 23:19.45 | zespri_work | but it's about 15 degrees at noon usually so it's all bearable |
| 23:20.15 | zespri_work | moreover I like it much much more then Moscow climate for example. |
| 23:24.32 | Cairenn | I'll bet |
| 23:25.11 | zespri_work | when you have -30 at winter and +35 at summer. and no real sea to cool at. St.Petersburg is situated on the Baltic sea but we have a big big dam that separates baltic see to a small basin like 150 sqare kilometers (I may be wrong it could be a bit bigger I don't know). this dam connect Kronstadt island with the mainland. So this basin is really is a cesspool and you wouldn't swim there |
| 23:26.03 | zespri_work | actualy there are two dams so they are constitute two sides of a square Kronstadt is a cornet and the rest two sides in the shore |
| 23:26.09 | Cairenn | zespri_work: I can relate, at least to the temperature variations, trust me |
| 23:26.28 | zespri_work | it's quite facinating achivement of engeneering thought =) |
| 23:26.34 | Cairenn | aye |
| 23:26.45 | Kirkburn | Civil Engineers ftw :D |
| 23:26.52 | Kirkburn | <-- Civil Engineer |
| 23:27.17 | Kirkburn | I'd like to think it means we're the nice ones |
| 23:27.30 | Cairenn | that's so old Kirkburn |
| 23:27.48 | Kirkburn | Anyhoo (grumble grumble) This recording is so weird to listen to, the night John Lennon was shot ... http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2005/12/nyc_radio_the_n.html |
| 23:29.21 | zespri_work | btw, I learned a new word yesterday, while watching Boston Legal show. this word is quim. and I thought I knew most of the dirty words! |
| 23:29.29 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:29.38 | Cairenn | yup, that's a rather rude one |
| 23:29.52 | Kirkburn | Odd, I hadn't heard that for ages, and I heard it yesterday, twice |
| 23:35.24 | zespri_work | this is all very odd, do you know why I remebered it now? because you said about John lennon death and it was mentioned in the same show |
| 23:35.35 | zespri_work | so I remebered about the show and the about the word |
| 23:35.40 | zespri_work | so everything is connected |
| 23:35.49 | Cairenn | funny how we make connections, isn't it? |
| 23:36.33 | Cairenn | I was grabbing lunch with my mom and out of the blue turned to her and said "you know, American Pepsi tastes closer to the real thing than American Coca-Cola" ... |
| 23:36.35 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 23:37.14 | Iriel | It's the sugar/corn syrup thing |
| 23:37.17 | Iriel | you lucky people |
| 23:37.18 | Iriel | 8-( |
| 23:37.37 | Cairenn | Iriel: I will remember to bring an extra for you the next time I come down |
| 23:37.45 | Cairenn | Brought one for Slouken at BlizzCon |
| 23:37.59 | zespri_work | huh???? |
| 23:38.09 | Kirkburn | zespri_work, I'm with you |
| 23:38.15 | Tem | ~exception Iriel |
| 23:38.16 | purl | ACTION throws a NullPointerException at Iriel. |
| 23:38.20 | Cairenn | American soda pop is made with corn syrup, not cane sugar |
| 23:38.33 | cladhaire | Big scandal, formula change |
| 23:38.37 | cladhaire | export/import laws |
| 23:38.38 | Cairenn | and thus tastes like crap |
| 23:38.46 | cladhaire | end result, tastes syrupy.. shockingly =) |
| 23:39.27 | Cairenn | oh, for the love of ... the whole "new coke" formula change came years after the US went to corn syrup ... the reason for the switch had to do with the whole Cuban Missile crisis stuff |
| 23:39.31 | Kirkburn | Bleugh, fizzy drinks |
| 23:39.44 | cladhaire | Thats what I mean, lots of drama =) |
| 23:39.46 | Cairenn | the "new coke" stuff was YEARS later |
| 23:39.48 | cladhaire | all tied together =) |
| 23:39.58 | cladhaire | But not actually related. |
| 23:40.20 | Cairenn | the change to corn syrup was because of the embargo on anything cuban |
| 23:40.25 | Kirkburn | A lot of it was just the media stirring it up |
| 23:40.54 | zespri_work | I still don;t understand how come that we had pepsi in sovient union when you was looked upon as traitor if you wore jeans |
| 23:41.13 | Cairenn | anyway, the point being that American soda pop tastes like complete crap |
| 23:41.45 | Kirkburn | People who speak real english don't say 'pop' :) |
| 23:41.49 | Cairenn | zespri_work: yeah, that always seemed strange |
| 23:41.50 | Miravlix | Does that go for light (no sugar) products too? |
| 23:41.59 | Tem | meanwhile, the soda giants of the world are all american companies |
| 23:42.10 | Miravlix | Hummm |
| 23:42.10 | Cairenn | ewwwwwwwwwwwwww Miravlix ... aspartame ..... *makes the sign of the cross and hisses* |
| 23:42.26 | Miravlix | I drink Pepsi Max |
| 23:42.30 | Iriel | Actually we do say pop, sometimes, or did at one point. |
| 23:42.40 | Miravlix | Something that doesn't exist in the US |
| 23:42.49 | Iriel | Cairenn : Sometimes we can get mexican coke, which is sugar |
| 23:42.58 | Iriel | Cairenn : But it's hit and miss. |
| 23:43.06 | Cairenn | some say soda, some say pop, but they all derive from the same original - "soda pop" |
| 23:43.25 | Kirkburn | Okay, rarely the brits say pop then :) |
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| 23:43.45 | Kirkburn | What part of the UK you from Iriel? |
| 23:43.48 | Cairenn | the really odd ones, if you ask me, are those in the deep south that call them all "coke" ... "Hi, I'll have a Sprite coke, please" ... wtf is up with that?! *boggle* |
| 23:43.49 | Miravlix | Hmm, my KillLog addon is causing WoW to timeout |
| 23:44.19 | Tem | Cairenn: down south we say "Coke" for all of em |
| 23:44.30 | Kirkburn | Surely that's a bit confusing ... |
| 23:44.36 | Tem | not really |
| 23:44.38 | Cairenn | errr, damnit, can you tell I'm Canadian ... take the word "please" out of that sentence |
| 23:44.44 | Cairenn | Tem: that's what I just said |
| 23:44.59 | Tem | oh lol I hadn't read what you said yet |
| 23:44.59 | Miravlix | It causes the Disconnect timeout, when WoW saves the file |
| 23:45.25 | Tem | Cairenn: we dont' say "I'll have a sprite coke" |
| 23:45.25 | Miravlix | Unfortunately it's a 1.6 MB data file, so I can't tell what part of it, is messed up. :/ |
| 23:45.29 | Tem | that would just be dumb |
| 23:45.42 | Cairenn | want to bet? I've heard it! |
| 23:45.52 | Tem | we say "You want a Coke?" "Yeah, gimme a Dr. Pepper" |
| 23:45.53 | Kirkburn | Silly yokels |
| 23:46.04 | Cairenn | that's still dumb |
| 23:46.07 | Kirkburn | What's the worst that could happen? |
| 23:46.25 | Kirkburn | Do they still do those ads? |
| 23:46.39 | Miravlix | It's a bug in the saver, but I don't have 10 hours to figure out whats wrong. |
| 23:46.43 | Tem | ads never use any of the terms |
| 23:46.55 | Tem | Miravlix: known and fixed I'd bet |
| 23:46.59 | Iriel | Miravlix : There are some known string length issues |
| 23:47.04 | Iriel | Miravlix : Make sure you dont have any long strings |
| 23:47.11 | Iriel | Miravlix : Turn them into arrays of smaller ones |
| 23:47.14 | Miravlix | Nothing like that in KillLog |
| 23:47.24 | Iriel | Miravlix : "long" can be 2k |
| 23:47.34 | Tem | and can be 200 |
| 23:47.40 | Miravlix | Just tables with MobName = something, Kills = x |
| 23:47.47 | Miravlix | XP = XX |
| 23:48.01 | Kirkburn | Surely people know the Dr Pepper "What's the worst that could happen?" adverts? |
| 23:48.12 | Miravlix | Never seen it |
| 23:48.23 | Miravlix | But no one really sells Dr Pepper here |
| 23:48.24 | Cairenn | can't say as I do |
| 23:48.30 | Tem | me either |
| 23:48.52 | Kirkburn | Strange ... they didn't seem particularly british to me |
| 23:49.02 | Kirkburn | Haven't seen one few a couple of years though |
| 23:49.22 | Gryphen | isn't that a movie? |
| 23:49.36 | Kirkburn | I just found that out Gryphen, did a google search |
| 23:49.51 | Tem | lately, I've seen some odd "I'd do anything except give you my Dr. P." ads |
| 23:50.46 | Miravlix | It's sad day, KillLog is one of the oldest addons, time to send it to the bitbucket. |
| 23:52.20 | Kirkburn | Ooh, question - what's the oldest WoW addon? |
| 23:52.41 | Miravlix | They could be made in beta, so who knows |
| 23:52.43 | Gryphen | Cosmos? |
| 23:52.45 | Gryphen | heh |
| 23:52.48 | MentalPower | prolly cosmos |
| 23:53.00 | MentalPower | thy existed in (closed?) beta |
| 23:53.05 | Kirkburn | Ah, but what part of cosmos came first? :) |
| 23:53.15 | MentalPower | the chicken or the egg? |
| 23:53.16 | Gryphen | the chicken |
| 23:53.16 | Cairenn | that'd be the question |
| 23:53.25 | MentalPower | I think Arch is one of the first |
| 23:53.31 | MentalPower | Archeologist* |
| 23:53.39 | Cairenn | Popbar was definitely early |
| 23:53.47 | Miravlix | Naah, Arch is new |
| 23:53.50 | Tem | Moo Buff Mod |
| 23:53.57 | Cairenn | Moo was *very* early, yes |
| 23:54.13 | Tem | I want Moo Buff nowadays |
| 23:54.17 | Kirkburn | Haven't heard of Moo |
| 23:54.20 | Tem | I can't find a buff addon that makes me happy |
| 23:54.26 | Miravlix | I atleast think I recall when it was added to Cosmos |
| 23:54.41 | Tem | Arch was added sometime after release iirc |
| 23:54.47 | Cairenn | unless I miss my guess, wasn't Moo incorporated into Gypsy, as well? |
| 23:54.51 | Kirkburn | Tem, Panza could be a good one (currently Paladin Assistant) |
| 23:55.07 | Tem | Cairenn: I think it was |
| 23:55.11 | Cairenn | originally, that is |
| 23:55.19 | Tem | Cairenn: but it's long-since evolved to something I can't stand |
| 23:55.24 | Cairenn | then he tweaked it, yeah |
| 23:55.53 | Tem | and it looked sorta like CT_BM |
| 23:56.08 | Tem | which is kinda cool, but way too verbose for me |
| 23:56.24 | Cairenn | Moo Buff, PopBar, a coords system, the thottbot upload |
| 23:56.38 | Cairenn | *tries to remember what else was in early cosmos* |
| 23:56.44 | Tem | SideBars? |
| 23:56.49 | Tem | oh! |
| 23:56.51 | Tem | SecondBar |
| 23:56.55 | Cairenn | yeah, that was it |
| 23:56.55 | Tem | With art and all |
| 23:56.59 | Cairenn | yup |
| 23:57.00 | Gryphen | Clock, Sidebars, EasyMail |
| 23:57.10 | Cairenn | I've still got screenies from CB, could go digging |
| 23:57.20 | Gryphen | WalkBot |
| 23:57.25 | Tem | WalkBot? |
| 23:57.27 | Cairenn | heh, I remember WalkBot |
| 23:57.36 | Cairenn | damn thing didn't always work quite right ;) |
| 23:57.39 | Tem | was that the /move x,y thing? |
| 23:57.45 | Cairenn | was a real bitch when you ran into a tree |
| 23:57.45 | Gryphen | ya |
| 23:57.48 | MentalPower | corpseRun was good too |
| 23:57.56 | MentalPower | I loved it |
| 23:58.05 | Cairenn | same problem with corpse run |
| 23:58.09 | Gryphen | /goto corpse |
| 23:58.15 | Cairenn | if you ran into "environment", it got stuck |
| 23:58.42 | Gryphen | CartoPlus |
| 23:58.42 | Tem | yay! |
| 23:58.43 | Tain | That was one thing that EQ did "better", if you ran into a tree you slid around it moreso than in WoW. |
| 23:58.45 | Tem | time to go home |
| 23:58.51 | Cairenn | later Tem |
| 23:58.52 | Kirkburn | See ya Tem |
| 23:59.25 | Kirkburn | have to say, I'm amazed that they gave the ability to walk automatically to places for so long |
| 23:59.30 | Miravlix | Well, Bliz didn't like the feature anyway, so doesn't matter how badly it worked. :) |
