| 00:04.20 | Kirkburn | bark and some more |
| 00:06.13 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 00:07.27 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar, Breaker of Wordplay Fun |
| 00:07.49 | Kirkburn | Is that a racial ability? :) |
| 00:08.21 | Kirkburn | I'm really hoping http://bannable-offenses.blogspot.com really is just a sick joke |
| 00:08.22 | Shouryuu | I need Hibernate or sleep as a racial ability |
| 00:08.31 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot3 (i=user@sandbox.xerox.com) |
| 00:08.39 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@adsl-71-147-10-6.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:08.41 | Kirkburn | Didn't the big cuddly bear help you? |
| 00:09.01 | Qzot3 | Q: How do I boot my other nick off? |
| 00:09.23 | Shouryuu | Kirkburn Haven't tried him yet :P |
| 00:09.51 | Kirkburn | Good question Qzot |
| 00:10.10 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, try running headfirst into walls |
| 00:10.47 | Shouryuu | That *migh* be jsut a lil too noisy for my roomates |
| 00:11.19 | Qzot3 | The entertainment value must surely offset that. |
| 00:11.25 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 00:11.33 | Kirkburn | They can watch :) |
| 00:11.42 | Qzot3 | They can participate. |
| 00:11.47 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 00:12.07 | Kirkburn | Okay, you could try hitting yourself with a brick? |
| 00:12.14 | Shouryuu | Kirkburn I can't seem to open that link.. what's it about? |
| 00:12.17 | Kirkburn | Er ... or buy some chloroform? |
| 00:12.27 | Shouryuu | ohh tempting |
| 00:13.13 | Shouryuu | Ah got it to load :p |
| 00:13.34 | Qzot3 | Heh. I was in the process of pouring lead into a pinewood derby car, and got to thinging, "I wonder if anyone sells depleted uranium." |
| 00:13.50 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 00:13.51 | Qzot3 | So I googled it. And saw it's mostly used for armor plating and weapons. |
| 00:14.08 | Qzot3 | Was probably a blip in some NSA analyst's day. |
| 00:14.39 | Qzot3 | So ... use a uranium brick, Shouryuu. More effective. |
| 00:16.05 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn1 (n=George@151.56.204.55) |
| 00:16.13 | Kirkburn1 | The irony |
| 00:16.15 | Shouryuu | Kirkburn1 that bog is awsome |
| 00:16.28 | Shouryuu | *blog |
| 00:16.28 | Qzot3 | Irony? |
| 00:16.42 | Kirkburn1 | My last message was "Stop typing, me." |
| 00:17.10 | Kirkburn1 | And 5 mins earlier I also wanted to know how to kick alt nicks off |
| 00:17.39 | Qzot3 | I'm just slower than you. :P |
| 00:17.39 | Kirkburn1 | Shouryuu, bog is english slang for a toilet :) |
| 00:18.18 | Kirkburn1 | (also in US?) |
| 00:18.27 | Qzot3 | (Not afaik.) |
| 00:18.33 | Qzot3 | Head |
| 00:18.35 | Qzot3 | Loo |
| 00:18.37 | Qzot3 | Potty |
| 00:18.45 | Qzot3 | Commode |
| 00:18.47 | Qzot3 | John |
| 00:18.57 | Qzot3 | Bathroom |
| 00:19.00 | Qzot3 | Throne |
| 00:19.38 | Qzot3 | But not 'bog'. |
| 00:20.55 | Kirkburn | Okay, have you ever heard of a blogroll? |
| 00:21.07 | Qzot3 | Me? Yep. |
| 00:21.32 | Kirkburn | Comes from bogroll, or .. toilet paper :/ |
| 00:21.48 | Qzot3 | TP |
| 00:21.52 | Qzot3 | Mountain money |
| 00:22.05 | Kirkburn | Or at least that's a possible origination |
| 00:22.44 | Kirkburn | I wanna Panda! http://www.flickr.com/photos/81374799@N00/133622824/ |
| 00:23.52 | Qzot3 | I wanna baby Murloc. |
| 00:24.03 | Qzot3 | Iriel: You still around? |
| 00:24.19 | Qzot3 | Me, too. :( |
| 00:24.31 | Qzot3 | I switched guilds and servers the week after. |
| 00:24.39 | Cairenn | awwwww, baby panda! |
| 00:24.51 | Iriel | I am indeed around |
| 00:24.51 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 00:25.05 | Qzot3 | Belated grats on the forum icon. Really nice. |
| 00:25.21 | Qzot3 | At least, I assume it's belated, considering how long I've been out of action. |
| 00:25.23 | Shouryuu | Kirkburn I love you for that blog |
| 00:25.27 | Kirkburn | Or a kitten. That might be easier. Kittens ftw. |
| 00:25.47 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, =) |
| 00:25.49 | Iriel | Thanks, I'm growing to really like the shade of light blue. |
| 00:25.59 | Qzot3 | ?? |
| 00:26.05 | Kirkburn | His text, stoopid |
| 00:26.15 | AnduinLothar | odly my irc clint has had you as light blue for months.. |
| 00:26.21 | Kirkburn | Teal, here |
| 00:26.35 | Kirkburn | (not far off) |
| 00:26.38 | Iriel | On the forum, my posts are light blue now |
| 00:27.04 | Kirkburn | It's the feeling of superiority, isn't it Iriel. |
| 00:27.27 | Kirkburn | "Beware my blue text, or I will eat you" |
| 00:27.28 | Qzot3 | Lol. I hadn't noticed the light blue. Too much movement nearby for my evolved eye-balls. |
| 00:28.09 | Qzot3 | Anyway, gratz. |
| 00:28.13 | Iriel | It's the nice transition when there's a normal / me / slouken post in a row |
| 00:28.31 | Iriel | that pleases me at some weird aesthetic level |
| 00:29.03 | Shouryuu | GM]Dave>> You could demoralize him with propaganda. [GM]Dave>> Or harsh criticism. |
| 00:30.16 | Kirkburn | Looking up 'kittens' on flickr just makes you feel like the world is a happier place |
| 00:30.54 | Iriel | My personal 'happier place' picture is usually http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/ThreePaws.jpg |
| 00:31.21 | Kirkburn | aww |
| 00:31.54 | Kirkburn | Er, can one cuddle those though? |
| 00:32.58 | AnduinLothar | can one cudle a kitten? |
| 00:33.30 | Iriel | I dont believe they're cuddlable, no |
| 00:33.36 | Kirkburn | =( |
| 00:33.42 | Kirkburn | Stop ruining my dreams! |
| 00:33.54 | AnduinLothar | you cuddle kittens in your dreams? |
| 00:34.01 | Kirkburn | uh... |
| 00:34.03 | Qzot3 | Iriel: I'm unregisted on this nick. Is there anyway I can get rid of the corpse of Qzot. |
| 00:34.18 | Kirkburn | <Iriel> I think it's /ns ghost |
| 00:34.38 | Kirkburn | -NickServ- Syntax: GHOST <nickname> [password] |
| 00:35.08 | Kirkburn | So I did /ns ghost kirkburn <yeahthisisapasswordgoinghere> |
| 00:35.30 | Iriel | Kittens are cuddlable, but they often dont like it |
| 00:35.40 | Qzot3 | "Unknown command: NS" |
| 00:35.49 | Kirkburn | "/msg nickserv" then |
| 00:35.50 | Iriel | Try /msg ns ghost qzot password |
| 00:35.51 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.56 | Iriel | sorry, nickserv, not ns, yes 8-) |
| 00:35.58 | Qzot3 | D'oh. |
| 00:36.09 | Iriel | Some clients have /ns in as an alias |
| 00:36.13 | Cairenn | don't abbreviate nickserv, some clients (like mine) don't recognize it |
| 00:36.18 | Iriel | Ironically mine doesn't, so I'm not sure why I told Kirkburn that |
| 00:36.21 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 00:36.26 | AnduinLothar | mine does :P |
| 00:36.32 | Kirkburn | Mine does too :D |
| 00:36.59 | Cairenn | and even when it does recognize ns, they still frequently want the "/msg" at the front |
| 00:37.23 | Kirkburn | * Qzot3 glares at the half-corporeal phantasm that used to be Qzot. <-- pity Qzot left 25mins ago |
| 00:37.37 | Qzot | Am I here now? |
| 00:37.41 | Kirkburn | No |
| 00:37.42 | Cairenn | nope |
| 00:37.50 | AnduinLothar | now you changed colors :P |
| 00:37.51 | Cairenn | you're currently over there |
| 00:38.05 | Kirkburn | Where, where? There on the stair? |
| 00:38.23 | Kirkburn | Well done, when did you decide to become a business? |
| 00:38.42 | Cairenn | and btw, hi Q, good to see you back in channel |
| 00:38.51 | Qzot | *sigh* Yeah. |
| 00:39.06 | Cairenn | boy, don't sound too happy about it or anything, okay? |
| 00:39.10 | Qzot | Have missed you on the other channel. |
| 00:39.20 | Cairenn | I was on last night |
| 00:39.42 | Qzot | No, it's just that I'm not getting much time for WoW coding. |
| 00:39.50 | Cairenn | I love TrN, but god I hate it |
| 00:40.09 | Kirkburn | hehehe ... Kittens getting naughty! http://www.flickr.com/photos/n3wjack/18891429/ |
| 00:40.43 | Cairenn | and, honestly, all the rationalizing can get almost offensive ... like there's something "wrong" with me because I hate it, and that if I only put my mind to it, I'll learn to love it |
| 00:40.46 | AnduinLothar | mmm, refactoring code is fun... takes a lot of time tho |
| 00:41.30 | Cairenn | rationality only goes so far, something they, of all people, should understand and appreciate |
| 00:41.43 | AnduinLothar | TrN? |
| 00:42.15 | Cairenn | bunch of sociologists, you'd think they'd get that humans aren't rational and that there is no way to factor out the way you "feel" |
| 00:42.38 | Qzot | Oh, I think they got it. |
| 00:42.40 | Qzot | In the end. |
| 00:42.45 | Qzot | With both barrels. :D |
| 00:43.05 | Cairenn | anyway |
| 00:43.21 | Cairenn | I'll still be on, couple hours in the evenings after the folks go snooze |
| 00:43.37 | Cairenn | but ... =/ |
| 00:43.39 | Qzot | And remember, there's a world of different between an economist and a business magnate. |
| 00:43.39 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.55 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 00:43.58 | Cairenn | I know |
| 00:44.17 | zespri | what is TrN |
| 00:44.25 | Qzot | A guild we're in. |
| 00:45.01 | Qzot | Has a lot of people who study or write about MMOs. |
| 00:45.13 | zespri | so what do you hate Cairenn, that you are supposed to love? |
| 00:45.17 | Iriel | And, much to Cair's chagrin, it's on a PvP server |
| 00:45.17 | Cairenn | PvP |
| 00:45.27 | Qzot | PvP sucks. |
| 00:45.31 | Cairenn | *loathe* |
| 00:45.42 | AnduinLothar | ya, i'm not a big fan |
| 00:45.43 | Qzot | I hate PvP. It hates me. |
| 00:45.50 | Cairenn | *despise* |
| 00:45.56 | Iriel | There's no more visceral WoW experience than PvP tho, which I have a hard time with, since I dont overly enjoy it either |
| 00:46.01 | AnduinLothar | i only do it if i get a guild grp to go with me or have some rep item i really want |
| 00:46.04 | Cairenn | *detest* |
| 00:46.04 | zespri | Cairenn, you just have to give it a try you'll love it |
| 00:46.17 | Qzot | But ... if you'd just do Jedi Mind Trick #7, you would enjoy it. |
| 00:46.19 | Iriel | I think she's given it plenty of tries |
| 00:46.34 | zespri | Sorry, I'm jsut kidding |
| 00:46.38 | Cairenn | I know, it's okay |
| 00:46.41 | Cairenn | just frustrating |
| 00:46.51 | Cairenn | anyway, have to pay attention to game for a couple |
| 00:46.54 | Iriel | Personally I think the largest problem isn't PvP per se, as PvP with vast imbalance |
| 00:47.32 | AnduinLothar | good ballence is hard to find |
| 00:47.42 | AnduinLothar | hard mike's is good to find |
| 00:47.44 | zespri | why? because you have to play on pvp server becuase you like the comunity but you still hate pvp? |
| 00:48.02 | Qzot | Basically. |
| 00:48.27 | Qzot | The guild has very different ideas of how fun PvP is. But most like the group. |
| 00:49.26 | Qzot | Brb after turning off my VPN. |
| 00:49.30 | AnduinLothar | so have large user lists officially been fixed? I haven't run into one not working recently |
| 00:49.45 | AnduinLothar | channel lists |
| 00:50.19 | AnduinLothar | it's been a while since that problem killed the sky user lists |
| 00:50.56 | AnduinLothar | oi.. Sky is huge... |
| 00:51.16 | AnduinLothar | was planning on making it embeddable, but I'm looking at like 4k lines of code |
| 00:51.17 | zenzio | indeed, it engulfs the whole planet ;-) |
| 00:51.37 | zespri | Cairenn, what about friendly duels? Do you hate them just as much? |
| 00:51.43 | Cairenn | yup |
| 00:51.50 | AnduinLothar | need to chop it into sepperate files so i can looka t it |
| 00:51.56 | Cairenn | I don't like PvP, period |
| 00:52.02 | Cairenn | never have, in any game, never will |
| 00:52.08 | AnduinLothar | anti-competitive |
| 00:52.22 | zenzio | I enjoy "PvP" in games like Unreal Tournament... but somehow not in MMOs |
| 00:52.23 | AnduinLothar | it's a personality thing |
| 00:52.27 | Cairenn | I like working cooperatively to beat the environment |
| 00:52.28 | zespri | well it's quite understandable, especcialy in a girl |
| 00:52.35 | AnduinLothar | ouch |
| 00:52.36 | Iriel | I'm with zenzio, really |
| 00:52.47 | zenzio | uh oh, stereotype warning light flashing |
| 00:52.51 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 00:52.57 | AnduinLothar | i like structured pvp |
| 00:53.02 | Shouryuu | same |
| 00:53.11 | Iriel | But I dont really feel that I SHOULDNT like it in MMO's, there's just a fairly frustrating skill imbalance that arises from games with long term persistent in-game-skill |
| 00:53.18 | AnduinLothar | AB is pretty good if you got someone who takes charge |
| 00:53.26 | Shouryuu | Aye |
| 00:53.32 | AnduinLothar | WSG is imba towards horde always winning |
| 00:53.40 | AnduinLothar | AV is too unorganized |
| 00:53.46 | Shouryuu | AV is just helish |
| 00:53.54 | Shouryuu | Can't believe i got revered there |
| 00:54.00 | Cairenn | hey, I just got reminded of just how much of a girl I really am, a couple hours ago ... I had to go accost a jogger on the street to come start my lawn mower for me, I can't give the rip cord the "yank" it needs to get it started ... I've no problem with someone calling me a girl |
| 00:54.03 | Kirkburn | I've only ever been to a BG twice |
| 00:54.06 | Shouryuu | Without shooting myself in the foot or something |
| 00:54.14 | zespri | what is stereotype? On my opinion stereotype is something commonly observed, which doesn't mean that this is always the case, but does mean this it is the case most of the time |
| 00:54.17 | zespri | am I wrong? |
| 00:54.33 | Iriel | Cairenn : Just imagine you're ripping a ganker's heart from their still living body |
| 00:54.34 | Kirkburn | There's two types |
| 00:54.36 | AnduinLothar | commonly believed is more often true |
| 00:54.45 | Cairenn | Iriel: lol |
| 00:54.45 | Shouryuu | Aye |
| 00:54.46 | AnduinLothar | weather or not it's observed |
| 00:55.08 | Shouryuu | It's a misconception, which is always disturbing when you're the one "misconceived" |
| 00:55.09 | Iriel | Cairenn : And then get an electric mower 8-) |
| 00:55.13 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 00:55.35 | Cairenn | when you've a lawn the size of mine, electric mower sucks |
| 00:55.42 | AnduinLothar | aye electric just isn't as fun tho unless you have a battery. cord suck |
| 00:55.49 | Cairenn | precisely |
| 00:55.51 | zespri | So you don't think that the statement "The girls are more pacific then boys" is true, it's jsut percepted? |
| 00:56.01 | Kirkburn | I'm more atlantic ;) |
| 00:56.09 | AnduinLothar | i dont think pacific is used in english much any more |
| 00:56.10 | Kirkburn | (pacifist) |
| 00:56.13 | Cairenn | when I'm having to string together multiple 200ft extension cords together ... |
| 00:56.15 | Iriel | The cordless ones have decent capacity these days |
| 00:56.20 | zespri | don't you make fun of my english =))) |
| 00:56.24 | Cairenn | sure "pacific" is still used |
| 00:56.34 | Iriel | Though if you have a HUGE lawn that could be an issue still |
| 00:56.34 | AnduinLothar | 'is a pacifist' is more common |
| 00:56.45 | Cairenn | more common, yes |
| 00:56.50 | AnduinLothar | anyway |
| 00:56.52 | Kirkburn | Of course pacific is still used. When referring to the ocean. :P |
| 00:57.21 | Cairenn | I *had* an electric mower ... damn thing ... |
| 00:57.27 | AnduinLothar | the idea is a generalization about a group |
| 00:57.33 | Kirkburn | zespri, I do agree with you though, girls are less agressive than guys |
| 00:57.45 | Cairenn | that's to be expected though |
| 00:57.45 | Kirkburn | Or, at least, they're subtler |
| 00:58.03 | Cairenn | it's, quite literally, bred into us |
| 00:58.24 | Cairenn | men are protectors, women are nurturers ... yes, generalizations, acknowledged |
| 00:58.35 | Kirkburn | Women can multitask, so they can be agressive and do other stuff at the same time. Men can't :) |
| 00:58.39 | Shouryuu | Testosterone anyone? |
| 00:58.47 | AnduinLothar | got plenty, thx |
| 00:58.52 | zespri | so don't slam me then! I didn't say anything inapropriate with my "especially in a girl"! |
| 00:58.57 | zespri | =) |
| 00:59.02 | AnduinLothar | you generalized |
| 00:59.30 | Kirkburn | May I generalize? ... Wimmen gots boobies. |
| 00:59.43 | Cairenn | I didn't slam you at all, I siad I had no problem with it at all |
| 01:00.09 | AnduinLothar | i didn't slam you, I said ouch. I was empathizing with the absent femanist |
| 01:00.41 | AnduinLothar | devil's advocate as usual :P |
| 01:00.49 | Cairenn | but, even with my generalization, women most certainly can be non-pacifist ... try to come between a mother and her offspring ... |
| 01:00.59 | Cairenn | (not just human, obviously) |
| 01:01.15 | Cairenn | and watch two women in a cat fight over a guy ... ouch |
| 01:01.15 | AnduinLothar | mooOOOoo |
| 01:01.30 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar, are you sure ;) Another Devil's Advocate ftw |
| 01:01.52 | AnduinLothar | of what am I sure? |
| 01:02.00 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: you're correct, we do |
| 01:02.09 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 01:02.27 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar, I was being a devil's advocate to your devil's advocate |
| 01:02.29 | Tain | Boobies? |
| 01:02.39 | AnduinLothar | are you sure? |
| 01:02.47 | Kirkburn | No, are you? |
| 01:02.55 | AnduinLothar | about what? |
| 01:03.02 | Tain | About advocating boobies. |
| 01:03.05 | Shouryuu | Being uncertain? |
| 01:03.16 | Kirkburn | Are you Shouryuu? |
| 01:03.21 | Shouryuu | b00b!3s! |
| 01:03.49 | Shouryuu | I'm not sure, you? |
| 01:03.50 | Kirkburn | Boobies are certainly a worthy cause |
| 01:04.08 | Tain | You gotta fight for your right to boobie. |
| 01:04.27 | AnduinLothar | not really helping cair.. |
| 01:04.32 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 01:04.49 | Kirkburn | Winking won't either |
| 01:04.54 | Cairenn | and how am I not helping? |
| 01:05.29 | Cairenn | (mind you, I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to be "helping" with to begin with, so meh) |
| 01:05.43 | Kirkburn | (probably best not to ask ... |
| 01:05.52 | Shouryuu | Ignorance is bliss? |
| 01:06.06 | zespri | I'm really "cultural" today. In russian femenism and other "politically correct" things are not that strong. People pay less attention. I've been living in a "western" culture for quite a while now, but I'm still learning which things people perceive as inapropriate or bordering |
| 01:06.19 | Kirkburn | I think an ignorant person in hell might disagree Shouryuu |
| 01:06.57 | Kirkburn | he might not know why he's being poked with that red-hot poker, but he sure wouldn't be enjoying it |
| 01:07.05 | AnduinLothar | well zes, just don't make the mistake of considering me the western norm |
| 01:07.35 | AnduinLothar | but I've had my share of feminist teachers here in cali |
| 01:07.55 | Kirkburn | What the male version of that? |
| 01:08.02 | Kirkburn | s/What/What's/ |
| 01:08.10 | Cairenn | chauvinist |
| 01:08.28 | Tain | "Male" |
| 01:08.33 | zespri | the truth is there is no male version |
| 01:08.49 | Cairenn | heh, I was being a smartass |
| 01:09.01 | Kirkburn | It might actually be right ... |
| 01:09.18 | Kirkburn | Just doesn't have the same connotations :P |
| 01:09.19 | Tain | Nah, different ideas. |
| 01:10.06 | Tain | See boys have a penis and girls have a vagina. |
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| 01:10.37 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 01:10.44 | Cairenn | well, given that "chauvinist" is usually preceded with "male" and followed by "pig" ... no, the underlying inflection is more than a bit different |
| 01:10.45 | Kirkburn | Tain: you're right, I do |
| 01:11.23 | AnduinLothar | tho often feminist bitch go together |
| 01:11.27 | zespri | Cairenn, that exactly what I typed and then deleted. I typed "you as well could have written male chauvinist pig" |
| 01:11.30 | Cairenn | true enough |
| 01:11.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ForgottenLords (n=Forgotte@059.216-123-195-0.interbaun.com) |
| 01:11.44 | zespri | but then I decided that it would stem the discussion in undesirable direction |
| 01:11.51 | Kirkburn | Great "feminist antonym" isn't coming up with dictionary definitions, just annoying opinion websites |
| 01:12.04 | Kirkburn | "“Fairness,” on the other hand, would be correctly found listed as an antonym to feminism" |
| 01:12.14 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 01:15.22 | Kirkburn | Aha! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculism |
| 01:15.42 | Kirkburn | But it's kind of similar to chavinism |
| 01:16.15 | AnduinLothar | problem is most men agree that they want women to awant them... |
| 01:17.28 | zespri | awant? |
| 01:17.28 | Kirkburn | Well, enough fun for tonight |
| 01:17.33 | AnduinLothar | want* |
| 01:17.57 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn |
| 01:18.05 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 01:18.20 | Kirkburn | Sleep well everyone! Safe journey Iriel :) |
| 01:20.05 | zespri | and I think I came across expression "pacific disposition" in the past... and it was not related to the ocean |
| 01:21.15 | Iriel | I'll think pacific thoughts as I cross over it (well, technically the San Francisco bay, but it's connected to the Pacific) |
| 01:21.49 | AnduinLothar | depends on how much traffic you hit |
| 01:22.05 | Cairenn | if he's "hitting" traffic, he isn't being very pacific at all |
| 01:22.18 | Iriel | I'm resigned to the usual amount of suck |
| 01:22.24 | zespri | stop playing words! you make my head spin! |
| 01:22.32 | AnduinLothar | you hit cars that way cair. hitting traffic is usually safe |
| 01:22.50 | Cairenn | I live to make men's heads spin, zespri ;) |
| 01:22.54 | Iriel | The only issues i've had have been with 'traffic' hitting ME |
| 01:23.14 | AnduinLothar | traffic is an entity that exists beyond the cars that embody it |
| 01:23.28 | Cairenn | can't see the traffic for the cars |
| 01:23.30 | AnduinLothar | hitting it involves usually just slowing down |
| 01:24.14 | zespri | sometimes traffic is not realted to cars at all. like "drugs were trafficed across pacific" |
| 01:24.33 | Iriel | In this instance, however, a car is correct |
| 01:24.48 | Cairenn | might not be a car |
| 01:24.48 | AnduinLothar | traffic is technically just passage in groups |
| 01:24.50 | Cairenn | could be a truck |
| 01:24.55 | Shouryuu | Night folks |
| 01:24.56 | Cairenn | or perhaps a bus |
| 01:25.09 | AnduinLothar | and a group is similarly as nebulous |
| 01:25.31 | AnduinLothar | you can be in the group without being a part of the group |
| 01:26.40 | zespri | Look what I found. I guess it's very rare usage |
| 01:26.42 | zespri | "She discovered that he was trafficking with her enemies and tampering with her friends." |
| 01:27.12 | AnduinLothar | travelling/grouping |
| 01:27.51 | AnduinLothar | rare usage in literature, in this case implimenting allusion |
| 01:28.21 | AnduinLothar | or possibly just a verb without a subject |
| 01:28.43 | AnduinLothar | depending on context |
| 01:33.41 | AnduinLothar | bleh... Sky has so many globals.. |
| 01:38.53 | Cairenn | Well guys, my eyes (and brain, and stomach) are telling me I need a break from the computer. Shutting the system off. See folks tomorrow |
| 01:39.09 | AnduinLothar | cyaz |
| 01:39.54 | Cairenn | Wish this stupid storm would either come or go, and stop messing with my head. |
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| 03:02.44 | Legorol | good evning |
| 03:02.51 | Legorol | is there a capable hunter online? |
| 03:03.03 | Legorol | i have some questions with regards to stats and related maths |
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| 03:24.12 | ckknight | hey all |
| 03:27.55 | Tain | Woah these are great, I'm getting some. http://store.yahoo.com/usacomicbooks/stwamoseicab.html |
| 03:31.31 | Corrodias | nice |
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| 04:02.39 | Wobin_ | Legorol: What sort of questions? |
| 04:03.31 | Wobin_ | And anyone else having connectivity issues? |
| 04:03.41 | Wobin_ | oh, it's alright now =P |
| 04:03.46 | Miravlix | EU is down. :p |
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| 05:12.32 | Wobin_ | EnumerateFrames() |
| 05:12.43 | Wobin_ | How fast is this function |
| 05:13.02 | Wobin_ | If I were going to use it to detect a certain type of frame, like a list of actionbuttons, would it be feasible? |
| 05:13.41 | AnduinLothar | finally! |
| 05:13.46 | AnduinLothar | Razorgore down |
| 05:14.01 | Wobin_ | grats =) |
| 05:23.46 | Wobin_ | oops |
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| 05:28.58 | Wobin_ | Dear god |
| 05:29.07 | Wobin_ | EnumerateFrames is so... very... fast. |
| 05:29.36 | Wobin_ | Total Framescanning (7019): 0.029 |
| 05:34.29 | zespri | interesting... BuffBot ailment scanning code triggers in UNIT_AURA, but scans the whole raid regardless the fact that arg1 is the unit whose buffs/debuffs changed. On the other hand decursive do the scans non-stop, on timer. And they must have bloody good reason to do this... |
| 05:34.58 | AnduinLothar | prolly not |
| 05:37.05 | zespri | well I can beleive that UNIT_AURA is not what it claims to be =) |
| 05:37.18 | zespri | it happens all to often with blizz API =) |
| 05:50.27 | neko | AnduinLothar: congratulations... lootbags will follow |
| 05:50.46 | AnduinLothar | now if we can down vael tonight we win :) |
| 05:51.13 | neko | meh, don't get rogues cleaved, have tanks that don't get rogues cleaved when moving into position |
| 05:51.16 | neko | ez |
| 05:51.19 | AnduinLothar | i found out judging was a bad idea |
| 05:51.28 | neko | rogues do like ONE BILLION dps so |
| 05:51.38 | neko | or well |
| 05:51.45 | neko | our daggers rogues get near 800 dps |
| 05:52.14 | AnduinLothar | ya, i'm flat healing i spose with insta holy lights |
| 05:52.28 | AnduinLothar | cause as soon as i get burning adren i'm down |
| 05:52.31 | neko | and if you get BA, spam GH on MT :p |
| 05:52.35 | AnduinLothar | spose i can try and up my stam |
| 05:52.50 | neko | everyone except tanks should gimp themself |
| 05:52.53 | neko | for fire resist |
| 05:53.30 | neko | and tanks should wear some too |
| 05:53.35 | neko | but healing isn't really an issue :P |
| 05:53.48 | AnduinLothar | ya, +healing and zero mp5 and fr |
| 05:54.09 | neko | <- 280ish FR for vael/firemaw |
| 05:54.14 | neko | iz ok, especially firemaw |
| 05:54.15 | AnduinLothar | clasS? |
| 05:54.17 | neko | mage |
| 05:54.30 | AnduinLothar | ya, we're way bellow that on casters |
| 05:54.45 | neko | spend some mats on flarecore if you got them |
| 05:55.00 | neko | gloves/mantle are imba |
| 05:55.28 | neko | and I wear double fire reflectors and such :p |
| 05:55.57 | AnduinLothar | got 160 with my aura |
| 05:56.14 | neko | oh yeah |
| 05:56.18 | neko | after 20% |
| 05:56.24 | neko | get them to tank with execute |
| 05:56.30 | AnduinLothar | ya we know |
| 05:56.44 | neko | also a good measurement is that by the time the first tank gets BA |
| 05:56.52 | neko | you should be at 21-20% |
| 05:56.57 | neko | our personal best is 18% |
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| 05:57.47 | neko | also extra points if you beat him but someone has BA and nukes the raid afterwards ;) |
| 05:59.57 | AnduinLothar | dont think we have enough priests |
| 06:00.11 | neko | mhm... |
| 06:00.19 | AnduinLothar | 19% on 2nd try |
| 06:00.23 | neko | PoH owns |
| 06:02.43 | AnduinLothar | fire nova with 160 fr 158 (474 resisted) |
| 06:03.50 | AnduinLothar | oi, zoned into ubrs again |
| 06:03.51 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 06:04.00 | [Wobin] | I need a name suggestion for a roguetimer |
| 06:04.11 | AnduinLothar | roguewatch? |
| 06:04.23 | [Wobin] | Already taken I think |
| 06:04.55 | [Wobin] | It's a simple statusbar tick timer that changes colour according to whether the action button you're over has enough energy to execute |
| 06:06.41 | AnduinLothar | as oppossed to blue-out on the action buttons? mana |
| 06:06.54 | [Wobin] | yeah |
| 06:06.59 | Tain | Ack I doubly couldn't use that! Addons that rely on mouse-over? Noooo! |
| 06:07.02 | [Wobin] | So you can watch the timer rather than the buttons |
| 06:07.25 | [Wobin] | I'll have the functionality toggleable though =P |
| 06:07.44 | neko | I use ActionBarInfo |
| 06:07.51 | AnduinLothar | BarOptions |
| 06:07.52 | neko | has the number of ticks left on each button |
| 06:07.59 | neko | until you can use it |
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| 06:10.08 | [Wobin] | Tain: I couldn't think of any other method that could predict what action you wanted to get energy for =) |
| 06:10.21 | Tain | Read my mind! |
| 06:10.29 | AnduinLothar | all of them |
| 06:10.32 | Tain | I just only use hotkeys for Rogue actions. |
| 06:10.35 | [Wobin] | No. I don't have a sister you can marry =P |
| 06:10.41 | Tain | I don't want to marry her. |
| 06:10.44 | Tain | At least not for long. |
| 06:11.15 | [Wobin] | narf |
| 06:13.47 | s|loup | hi |
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| 06:36.04 | koz | this is driving me nuts, anyone else mess around with dbc files before? |
| 06:37.17 | Corrodias | FEAR is an entertaining game. |
| 06:37.24 | Corrodias | more entertaining, in fact, than you are, i fear. |
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| 08:21.34 | Ktron | There's no better way to remove/add a 'middle' guild rank besides mass renaming and promoting/demoting right? |
| 08:21.47 | Ktron | And there's no addons to make guild control simpler/easier, right? |
| 08:21.57 | Ktron | Just wanted to double check before I go crazy heh |
| 08:23.14 | Ktron | alright |
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| 09:41.28 | Maldivia | hmm... |
| 09:44.28 | AnduinLothar | i made one |
| 09:44.49 | AnduinLothar | but spamming promotes and demotes causes more lag the more you do it |
| 09:45.03 | AnduinLothar | which makes the timing issue nearly impossible |
| 09:46.56 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone know when the revised mage talents (from end last week) was put up on the talent calculator ? |
| 09:48.26 | Corrodias | Stevie Wonder - I Just Called To Say I Love You |
| 09:50.17 | Maldivia | hmm, nope - that's not the answer... ;) |
| 09:51.54 | Corrodias | i had to be cloes |
| 09:51.57 | Corrodias | CLOES |
| 09:52.00 | Corrodias | *party hard |
| 10:12.33 | Maldivia | Anyone knows if Winter's Chill is 2% stacks 5 times, or 1% stacks 10 times |
| 10:20.50 | koz | 1/10 |
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| 10:27.14 | koz | is there a program in existance that converts .csv files back to .dbc? |
| 10:35.11 | _B | BRB whilst I check all of existence for you |
| 10:39.09 | koz | heh |
| 10:40.08 | neko | same, afk |
| 10:54.13 | Maldivia | koz: hmm, I know the talent calculator says 1/10, but Tseric' post o nthe mage forums says 2/5 |
| 10:55.39 | koz | that might've been the first post he made |
| 10:56.56 | Maldivia | well, that's hos edited post (from the 10th) |
| 11:00.06 | Maldivia | hehe, EU calculator says 2/5, US calc says 1/10 |
| 11:00.15 | neko | should be 5 |
| 11:00.16 | koz | hmm youre right heh |
| 11:00.18 | koz | think its 5 then |
| 11:00.22 | neko | nothing in the game is of 10 stacks so... |
| 11:00.28 | neko | except mob debuffs etc |
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| 11:04.40 | Maldivia | go go 40 flame buffet.. ? :) |
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| 11:18.02 | neko | Maldivia: hehe yeah |
| 11:18.16 | neko | MT: "It's just running out..." "FUCKING HELL GODDAMNIT" |
| 11:19.04 | Legorol | Proof that EU players are better than US: compare the World Dungeon pages! |
| 11:19.08 | Legorol | EU: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/worlddungeons.html |
| 11:19.14 | Legorol | US: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/worlddungeons.html |
| 11:19.36 | Legorol | The content is identical, except that in all cases the recommended level ranges on the EU page are 3-5 levels lower than on the US |
| 11:21.29 | Kalroth | well I wouldn't go to VC/WC as a level 15 without some high level to twink me ;) |
| 11:21.57 | Legorol | what's VC? (WC is wailing caverns i take it) |
| 11:21.58 | Kalroth | VC is Deadmines |
| 11:22.04 | [MoonWolf] | Van cleef, they call the deadmines that. |
| 11:22.11 | Legorol | :/ |
| 11:22.20 | Kalroth | Don't ask me why, I don't play alliance :p |
| 11:22.31 | [MoonWolf] | Because of Dire Mault |
| 11:22.33 | Legorol | see, Kalroth proves my point :P |
| 11:22.36 | [MoonWolf] | both would end up as DM |
| 11:22.39 | Kalroth | oh |
| 11:22.47 | Legorol | [MoonWolf], fair point |
| 11:22.54 | Legorol | usually on my realm they call both DM |
| 11:23.05 | Legorol | the level of the person doing LFG kinda makes it obvious which one he means :D |
| 11:23.19 | [MoonWolf] | true |
| 11:23.23 | Legorol | on a serious note |
| 11:23.25 | [MoonWolf] | i did not think of it. |
| 11:23.47 | Legorol | i beleive that people prefer to play instances in "easy mode" in general |
| 11:23.53 | Legorol | go at as high level as possible |
| 11:24.10 | Legorol | and also, at least in EU (don't know about US), instances are viewed as something that you have to complete in one go |
| 11:24.23 | Legorol | therefore, the level at which people tend to go is the one targeted for the end of the instance |
| 11:24.32 | Legorol | whereas in reality Blizzard designed instances to be done in parts |
| 11:24.51 | Legorol | the fact that there are quests ranging anywhere between 10 level ranges for a given instance is a proof of that |
| 11:25.28 | Legorol | unfortunately, it tends to be very hard to get people to do only part of the instance :/ |
| 11:25.41 | Legorol | and even harder to LFG for the non-instanced "entrance" area of most instances |
| 11:25.43 | [MoonWolf] | or quesst that dont even involve ENTERING the dungeon. |
| 11:25.47 | Legorol | yeah |
| 11:26.07 | Legorol | i beleive the level ranges on the EU page are realistic |
| 11:26.19 | Legorol | those are the levels at which a group of 5 can do the beginning - middle - end of the instance |
| 11:26.20 | Elkano^grr | I don't |
| 11:26.30 | [MoonWolf] | I do |
| 11:26.35 | Legorol | ok, let's take an example. |
| 11:26.39 | Legorol | Scarlet Monastery |
| 11:26.43 | Legorol | EU page says range is 30-40 |
| 11:26.45 | [MoonWolf] | a GOOD group can finishe the dengeon at those levels. |
| 11:26.56 | Legorol | and that is entirely correct, a group of 40s can do cathedral |
| 11:27.03 | [MoonWolf] | sm IS an exception. |
| 11:27.05 | Legorol | and a group of 30s can do graveyard or even library |
| 11:27.18 | Legorol | although you probably want to be more like 32 for library |
| 11:27.26 | Legorol | [MoonWolf] why is SM an exception? |
| 11:27.33 | Legorol | let's take a look at Uldaman |
| 11:27.40 | Legorol | EU page recommends the end of the range as 45 |
| 11:27.42 | [MoonWolf] | because its not a one go instance |
| 11:27.48 | Legorol | a group of 45s can beat the final boss |
| 11:27.58 | Legorol | [MoonWolf], most instances are designed to be doable in parts |
| 11:28.08 | Legorol | there are mechanisms to skip parts of almost all instances |
| 11:28.22 | Legorol | many players don't realise this |
| 11:28.23 | neko | SM is fun when Herod is orange to everyone |
| 11:28.37 | neko | many players play for the content |
| 11:28.42 | neko | not to skip it and get loot :p |
| 11:28.49 | [MoonWolf] | sm cathedral is fun if you dont know the boss encounter yet. |
| 11:28.54 | Legorol | yup |
| 11:28.58 | neko | ARISE MY CHAMPION <3 |
| 11:29.00 | Legorol | neko: i am not talking about skipping the content |
| 11:29.03 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, this guy wasnt so tough, ARISE. |
| 11:29.05 | [MoonWolf] | damnit! |
| 11:29.05 | Legorol | i am talking about doing it in parts |
| 11:29.12 | Legorol | i.e. not a single 4 hour run through Uldaman |
| 11:29.18 | Legorol | but 4x 1 hour |
| 11:29.24 | Legorol | first do the non-instance part |
| 11:29.30 | Legorol | later do the initial parts of the instance |
| 11:29.39 | Legorol | later go back through the back entrance and do some of the bosses |
| 11:29.45 | Legorol | later go back and go straight for the boss |
| 11:29.50 | Legorol | that's the kind of thing i mean |
| 11:29.59 | Legorol | you can do it in stages like that, each part at the appropriate level |
| 11:30.05 | Elkano^grr | but Maraudon beeing EU 40-49 / US 46-55 ... what do you think on that? |
| 11:30.07 | Legorol | its fun and challenging all the way through |
| 11:30.21 | Legorol | I haven't done much of Maraudon yet, only a glimpse of it |
| 11:30.41 | Legorol | but certainly from what i saw, the elite mobs start at level 40 and the highest ones i encountered so far are level 45 and are in the instanced area |
| 11:30.45 | Legorol | (again, i haven't got to the end yet) |
| 11:31.05 | Legorol | i have a level 42 quest for Maraudon |
| 11:31.16 | Elkano^grr | but is there any reason known why these levels differ? |
| 11:31.25 | Legorol | no reason that i know of |
| 11:31.31 | Legorol | EU players better than US :p |
| 11:31.39 | Legorol | that's the joke part |
| 11:32.00 | Legorol | anyway, it doesn't matter what the pages say |
| 11:32.15 | Legorol | groups always form with levels that are such that the final boss is easy |
| 11:32.22 | Legorol | which makes the initial parts of the instance trivial |
| 11:33.02 | Legorol | mind you, nothing wrong with going back to an instance at a higher level if you missed out on a quest or just didnt' get around to it |
| 11:35.09 | [Wobin] | hm |
| 11:35.23 | [Wobin] | Maraudon really only is about 53 at the most |
| 11:35.42 | [Wobin] | 40 is -just- alright |
| 11:35.56 | [Wobin] | Princess you need at least 51-53 |
| 11:36.58 | [Wobin] | btw, Leg, did you need to ask some hunter questions? |
| 11:37.13 | Legorol | yes |
| 11:37.31 | Legorol | ok, my dilemma is: i'm level 46 |
| 11:37.45 | Legorol | do i go for (mostly) Tough Scorpid set with agi/spi |
| 11:37.57 | Legorol | or (mostly) leather set such as Nightscape parts with agi/sta |
| 11:38.09 | [Wobin] | mail? |
| 11:38.13 | Legorol | the reason why i started thinking about it is that everyone i asked said without hesitation to go for scorpid |
| 11:38.20 | Legorol | yes the tough scorpid set is mail |
| 11:38.26 | Legorol | all parts give +agi/+spi |
| 11:38.35 | [Wobin] | What spec? |
| 11:38.40 | Legorol | the amount of +agi from the scrorpid set is comparable to the +agi from nightscape |
| 11:38.42 | [MoonWolf] | gah +spi..... |
| 11:38.57 | Legorol | the only difference is that scorpid is mail, but nightscape has +sta |
| 11:39.02 | [MoonWolf] | sta is much more effective for a hunter then spi |
| 11:39.10 | [Wobin] | Actually, you'd be surprised how fast my mana pool can drain as a 60 =P |
| 11:39.10 | Legorol | i am BM specced but that can change any minute :) |
| 11:39.24 | Legorol | oh sta is definitely more useful than spi |
| 11:39.24 | [Wobin] | but yes, sta is more effective |
| 11:39.30 | Legorol | i am not even considering spi here |
| 11:39.39 | Legorol | the choice is between: mail vs. leather with +sta |
| 11:39.47 | Legorol | other things being roughly equal |
| 11:39.57 | Legorol | i have some numbers for you, let me pastebin it |
| 11:40.07 | [MoonWolf] | Leather +sta then phase out over time for good mail stuff |
| 11:40.30 | Legorol | yeah that's what i was thinking as well, that's why i'm surprised that everyone, including experienced hunters in my guild, tell me to go scorpid |
| 11:40.32 | [Wobin] | There are lots of good mail stuff out in instances |
| 11:40.46 | [Wobin] | It depends really on how much you solo, and what you solo |
| 11:40.58 | Legorol | ok, i do two things with this character |
| 11:41.00 | [Wobin] | and your playstyle |
| 11:41.00 | [MoonWolf] | But im a bg hunter |
| 11:41.10 | Legorol | i am BM specced and likely stay that way for now |
| 11:41.13 | [MoonWolf] | i care very little for spi i normally dont manage to clear out my mana pool. |
| 11:41.18 | Legorol | i quest/PvE strictly in group |
| 11:41.22 | Legorol | and I PvP in WSG |
| 11:41.33 | Legorol | i don't mind carrying two sets, if it makes more sense to have a different set for those two cases |
| 11:41.44 | Legorol | i clear out my mana pool :) |
| 11:41.48 | Legorol | but that's not really an issue |
| 11:41.57 | Legorol | i dont think spi matters at all here, so let's forget about it |
| 11:42.00 | [MoonWolf] | people hat me to much to let me. |
| 11:42.16 | [MoonWolf] | i can walk out and attract 3 or four people away from a main attack force of our horde. |
| 11:42.17 | [MoonWolf] | idiots. |
| 11:42.18 | [Wobin] | If I really want to burn something down fast, I can clear my mana pool |
| 11:42.34 | Legorol | please bear in mind that i am only 46 here with the hunter |
| 11:42.41 | Legorol | so the advice is for now, not for when i'm 60 |
| 11:43.55 | Legorol | ok, here are the options: |
| 11:43.56 | Legorol | http://wow.pastebin.com/722190 |
| 11:44.31 | Legorol | Little explanation on the numbers: the best way i found of judging effectiveness of Armor is to consider the % damage reduction it gives, and convert it to an effective boost to my Hp |
| 11:44.54 | Legorol | the effective Hp listed next to my actual Hp is the amount of Hp i effectively have due to my armor |
| 11:45.14 | Legorol | e.g. 1702 Hp + 1940 Ar is equivalent to 2466 Hp + 0 Ar |
| 11:45.21 | Legorol | if you only consider physical damage |
| 11:46.29 | [Wobin] | dps is pretty level across the lot |
| 11:46.42 | Legorol | yeah it varies between 78 to 83 dps |
| 11:46.52 | Legorol | as i said, the +agi on the two sets of armors i have is roughly the same |
| 11:47.05 | neko | Legorol: and armor doesn't help vs spells... dunno |
| 11:47.12 | Legorol | exactly |
| 11:47.25 | Legorol | so that's why i am tempted to go with the leather +sta choice |
| 11:47.34 | [Wobin] | I would go for the leather +sta choice |
| 11:47.45 | Legorol | oki |
| 11:47.55 | Legorol | can i also check with you guys if i'm doing the math for the armor right: |
| 11:47.59 | Legorol | this is what i did |
| 11:48.17 | Legorol | i mouse over the armor, and it says X % damage reduction |
| 11:48.28 | Legorol | so if i'm right that means that my effective HP is: |
| 11:48.43 | Legorol | real HP / ( 100 % - X % ) |
| 11:48.47 | [Wobin] | (vs the same level) |
| 11:48.50 | Legorol | yeah |
| 11:49.05 | Legorol | i don't want to crunch all the numbers, vs. same level is enough for the comparison |
| 11:49.38 | [MoonWolf] | but your pet will be taking most damage anyway |
| 11:49.45 | Legorol | not in PvP |
| 11:49.50 | [MoonWolf] | wtrue |
| 11:49.52 | [MoonWolf] | true* |
| 11:49.58 | Legorol | and in PvE i always group with this char |
| 11:50.01 | Legorol | without exception |
| 11:50.12 | [Wobin] | Wouldn't it be more HP * (100 + X)%? |
| 11:50.15 | Legorol | well maybe very few exceptions when i'm grinding leather, but that's not a relevant case |
| 11:50.16 | [MoonWolf] | A hunter who does not solo ? |
| 11:50.22 | Legorol | [Wobin]: i dont' think so |
| 11:50.30 | [Wobin] | Since with say 23% damage reduction, you're essentially getting 23% more hp |
| 11:50.34 | Legorol | nope |
| 11:50.37 | Legorol | not at all |
| 11:50.46 | Legorol | think about this extreme case: you have 50% damage reduction |
| 11:50.55 | Legorol | it means that half of the opponents damage is wasted |
| 11:51.01 | Legorol | so they have to do twice as much damage to you than your Hp |
| 11:51.03 | [Wobin] | And you live twice as long |
| 11:51.14 | Legorol | if i use your formula, it would be HP * (150 %) |
| 11:51.17 | Legorol | which is only 1.5 times as much |
| 11:51.52 | [Wobin] | so instead HP * (100/X) |
| 11:52.21 | Legorol | nope, that way the smaller X is, the higher your effective HP |
| 11:52.24 | Legorol | that can't be right |
| 11:52.26 | [Wobin] | no that's faulty somehow =P |
| 11:52.39 | Legorol | i'm fairly sure it's HP/(100-X) |
| 11:52.47 | Legorol | sorry i mean HP/(100%-X%) |
| 11:53.00 | Legorol | (the % sign means divide the number by 100) |
| 11:53.09 | [Wobin] | hehe |
| 11:53.20 | Legorol | or if you like: |
| 11:53.22 | [Wobin] | (HP * 100)/(100 - X) |
| 11:53.28 | Legorol | that's the same, yes |
| 11:53.35 | [Wobin] | I hate maths =P |
| 11:53.38 | Legorol | lol |
| 11:53.51 | Legorol | % do confuse people often :) |
| 11:54.01 | Legorol | anyways, here is how i got that formula: |
| 11:54.25 | Legorol | if you have X damage reduction, it means that X % of the damage the opponent does is wasted |
| 11:54.54 | Legorol | so, if the opponent is doing D damage, only D * (100 - X)/100 damage lends on you |
| 11:55.09 | Legorol | i hope that makes sense |
| 11:55.17 | [Wobin] | yep |
| 11:55.34 | Legorol | let's say you have HP hp |
| 11:55.48 | Legorol | so the question is: what is the damage D the opponent has to do in order to take away your HP |
| 11:55.58 | Legorol | i.e. D * (100 - X)/100 = HP |
| 11:56.29 | [Wobin] | 100D - XD = 100HP |
| 11:56.30 | Legorol | you rearrange that to get D = HP * 100 / (100 - X) |
| 11:56.48 | Legorol | that is the damage the opponent needs to dish out |
| 11:56.54 | Legorol | and therefore that is your effective HP |
| 11:57.09 | [Wobin] | hehe |
| 11:57.12 | [Wobin] | cool |
| 11:57.32 | Legorol | did that actually make sense? |
| 11:57.52 | [MoonWolf] | my warlock has an effective 5300 hp with voidwalker out and soul link. |
| 11:58.04 | [Wobin] | it did |
| 11:58.09 | [MoonWolf] | and im only lvl 45 |
| 11:58.11 | Legorol | yay, i managed to explain math in such a way it actually made sense :) |
| 11:58.22 | [Wobin] | One of my friends hit 7k unbuffed on his lock =P |
| 11:58.34 | [MoonWolf] | ouch |
| 11:58.54 | [MoonWolf] | hey look at me, i have more hp then most main tanks |
| 11:59.21 | Legorol | ok thanks for the advice on the armor, guys |
| 12:00.05 | [Wobin] | Well, not the damage reduction though =) |
| 12:00.25 | [MoonWolf] | True but still |
| 12:00.29 | [MoonWolf] | good twin emps tank. |
| 12:01.13 | [MoonWolf] | Besides a soul link lock with voidwalker get about 60% reduction. |
| 12:01.15 | [MoonWolf] | thats pretty good. |
| 12:01.30 | [Wobin] | true |
| 12:02.04 | [MoonWolf] | 40 from master demonoligst and soul link, 20 from armor. |
| 12:02.49 | [MoonWolf] | one month after burning crusade |
| 12:02.59 | [MoonWolf] | a guild took down rag with 20 man and a warlockmaintank. |
| 12:03.50 | Kalroth | Get healers with good fire resist + good mana regen and you could take him down with 10 :) |
| 12:04.16 | [MoonWolf] | how do you handle the sons then ? |
| 12:05.34 | [MoonWolf] | two months after burning crusade a warrior tanked ragnaros in berserker stance with two dagges. |
| 12:05.37 | [MoonWolf] | daggers* |
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| 12:08.14 | neko | warriors already 2H tank him and zerg him before 3 minutes... |
| 12:09.30 | kaso| | Are elemental Melee Hits effected by armor? |
| 12:09.53 | [MoonWolf] | the moment its not phyical armor is not applied. |
| 12:10.22 | kaso| | so theres not real much gain on using a shield for raggy, other than stats |
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| 12:17.35 | qw` | anyone know what mod adds a latency frame in the middle of my screen? |
| 12:22.58 | neko | kaso: he still hits for around 1.5k, melee that is |
| 12:23.25 | kaso | but thats elemental damage isnt it? |
| 12:23.30 | neko | no, it isn't |
| 12:23.33 | kaso | oh |
| 12:23.35 | Industrial | joke of the day: Do druids shit in the forest? |
| 12:23.36 | neko | watch a video |
| 12:23.44 | neko | portrait specifically, of MT |
| 12:23.46 | neko | if it's that view |
| 12:23.55 | neko | the white 1563 dmg gives you a hint :) |
| 12:23.59 | neko | his big swing that is |
| 12:30.18 | qw` | anyone know which mod adds the frame in the middle of this screenshot -> http://home.no.net/mflister/wow/latencyframe.png ? |
| 12:30.42 | neko | not a clue |
| 12:32.01 | qw` | =/ |
| 12:32.18 | kaso | thats just the default latancy frame in a odd place isnt it? |
| 12:32.35 | qw` | I think so |
| 12:32.36 | neko | yes |
| 12:32.39 | neko | moveanything? |
| 12:33.12 | qw` | hm what was that mod named that you could move everything around with? |
| 12:33.22 | neko | yeah... :p |
| 12:33.41 | Kalroth | lol |
| 12:36.21 | Legorol | what's the best Wardrobe spinoff/variant to use? |
| 12:37.18 | neko | Itemrack |
| 12:40.55 | wereHamster | Outfitter ;) |
| 12:44.39 | qw` | also, any idea why the questitems in monkeyquest doesn't show up properly? on the righthand side of this screenshot -> http://home.no.net/mflister/wow/latencyframe.png |
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| 12:50.31 | s|loup | does anyone know why druids in catform get always the event UNIT_MANA even if they have full energy? is it also for rogues? |
| 12:52.28 | [Wobin] | no rogues get unit_energy |
| 12:53.37 | s|loup | hm maybe its the event for regenrating mana of the druid |
| 12:54.19 | qw` | Figured it out, it was DAB controlling the latencybar |
| 12:57.54 | [Wobin] | qw`: That sounded random =P |
| 13:00.30 | Kalroth | DAB = discordia :) |
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| 13:14.50 | [Wobin] | Hail Eris =P |
| 13:15.51 | Elviso | lol, DAB != Discordia |
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| 13:48.36 | Miravlix_ | Morning |
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| 14:04.47 | Shouryuu | rwar dna os htrof |
| 14:05.00 | Tain | lies |
| 14:05.26 | Shouryuu | !zeon hO |
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| 14:07.39 | Shouryuu_ | weee 1000 download on my bg mod on CG :P Oh the joyz! |
| 14:08.40 | neko | does it come with a penis extension? |
| 14:08.55 | Shouryuu_ | Yup! |
| 14:09.57 | Tem_ | how long is the extention for 1k? |
| 14:10.17 | Shouryuu_ | It's a suprise! I still haven't received it |
| 14:10.44 | Tem | any idea on the function that describes the length of the extention in relation to number of dls? |
| 14:11.11 | Shouryuu_ | If it's something like epx(x) it might end up being trouble some... |
| 14:11.21 | Shouryuu_ | and taking a lot of space |
| 14:11.46 | Tem | yeah... I probably couldn't use my 70k version |
| 14:11.54 | Tem | too bulky |
| 14:12.02 | Shouryuu_ | hehe |
| 14:12.08 | Tem | whats your bg mod? |
| 14:12.41 | Shouryuu_ | A useless mod that announces the level/race and class of enemy flag carrier |
| 14:12.51 | Tem | that's pretty cool |
| 14:12.52 | neko | so basically |
| 14:12.56 | neko | hardcoded to druid? |
| 14:12.56 | neko | :P |
| 14:13.02 | Tem | you mean level/class? |
| 14:13.04 | neko | or warrior in 8/8 tier1/2 |
| 14:13.17 | Tem | warrior in 8/8 t1 would be silly in a bg |
| 14:13.27 | Shouryuu_ | I wrote it for a guy on the forus a while back |
| 14:13.45 | Tem | hmm, I think I'll attack this priest.. Oh WAIT! That warrior's extra threat complells me! |
| 14:13.55 | Shouryuu_ | lol |
| 14:14.00 | neko | Tem: flag carrier. |
| 14:15.22 | Tem | neko: you missed the point. the 8/8 might bonus is extra threat |
| 14:15.34 | Tem | it's a tanking set that no one wears for pvp |
| 14:18.30 | neko | Tem: yeah ofc |
| 14:18.33 | neko | our MT does |
| 14:18.49 | neko | and it's hilarious to watch him trudge across the middlefield :) |
| 14:19.16 | neko | well |
| 14:19.22 | neko | 7/8 t2 now, but still :) |
| 14:19.46 | Tem | wrath is a different story |
| 14:20.21 | Tem | I'm not all that familliar with the warrior sets, but iirc, wrath is a lot more damage reduction that might is |
| 14:20.33 | Tem | might, iirc is more about making and holding agro |
| 14:21.15 | neko | 3/8 might has an imba +30 blockvalue |
| 14:21.31 | neko | and I said flagCARRIER :P |
| 14:21.34 | Kalroth | 3/8 Might + 5/8 Wrath ftw! |
| 14:21.39 | neko | not flag...attacker, he just has a lot of hp and def |
| 14:21.42 | neko | Kalroth: yeh :) |
| 14:22.03 | neko | most t1 and t2 are like that |
| 14:22.19 | Tem | priest is like that I think |
| 14:22.26 | neko | yah |
| 14:22.28 | neko | faster FH |
| 14:22.28 | Tem | mages all want full NW |
| 14:22.41 | neko | im content with 5/8 netherwind |
| 14:22.44 | Tem | Arcanist sucks |
| 14:22.49 | neko | yah of |
| 14:22.54 | neko | Im talking BWL loot |
| 14:23.06 | Tem | wtb Netherwind Focus procs |
| 14:23.08 | neko | circlet of the mindloller, firemaws clutch, etc |
| 14:23.12 | Tem | aye |
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| 14:26.21 | Shouryuu_ | this GM[Dave] blog is hilarious |
| 14:27.46 | Tem | linky? |
| 14:28.06 | neko | giev teh epix link plx |
| 14:28.07 | neko | I NEED |
| 14:30.05 | Shouryuu_ | http://bannable-offenses.blogspot.com/ |
| 14:30.08 | Shouryuu_ | It's *very* cruel |
| 14:30.10 | Shouryuu_ | but funny |
| 14:30.45 | Miravlix_ | Hmm, apparently I have a situation where the full set of my addons causes WoW to be unable to /reload /camp both goes to login after a timeout. |
| 14:31.23 | Miravlix_ | Now to remember what addons I've updated lately. |
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| 14:37.26 | neko | Let me get this straight. You got banned for being stupid. Your solution for this was to e-mail someone who bans stupid people and then explain how stupid you are. |
| 14:37.30 | neko | oh the ownage |
| 14:37.34 | neko | beats Tseric retarded bullshit anyday |
| 14:37.41 | neko | or anything beats tseric's bullshit really |
| 14:38.02 | neko | and WHY IN THE NAME OF FUCK is spell-lock still better then Counterspell? goddamnit |
| 14:38.17 | neko | I would pop enrage and make a flamepost if I had an US account :( |
| 14:41.13 | Miravlix_ | neko: Less coffein |
| 14:41.43 | neko | NO RMOEH |
| 14:41.49 | koz | wtb working .dbc editor PST |
| 14:43.06 | Kalroth | editor? no, bad koz bad |
| 14:43.21 | koz | sadface |
| 14:43.27 | koz | I just want to change my damn hairstyle, thats it! |
| 14:43.35 | Kalroth | I could probably my extractor though, but I'm not going to make an editor |
| 14:43.43 | Kalroth | probably finish* |
| 14:44.06 | koz | well some dbc files can be edited in notepad but |
| 14:44.13 | koz | not the table ones |
| 14:44.20 | Tain | No file, ever, should be edited in notepad. |
| 14:44.25 | koz | lol |
| 14:44.27 | Kalroth | what Tain said :) |
| 14:44.32 | koz | well i tried a hex editor as well |
| 14:44.35 | koz | to no avail |
| 14:45.18 | koz | thing is someone obviously figured out how to view table dbc files because that function is in warcraft studio |
| 14:45.28 | koz | so there has to be a way to edit the table |
| 14:45.36 | Kalroth | of course there is |
| 14:45.41 | neko | reading often means writing yeah... |
| 14:45.49 | koz | kalroth do tell |
| 14:45.55 | koz | i will love you for a very long time |
| 14:46.10 | Kalroth | I could easily write a dbc editor, the format isn't that hard, but it wouldn't be nice and whatnot |
| 14:46.36 | koz | why would it be bad :( |
| 14:46.46 | Kalroth | because you modify gamefiles |
| 14:46.46 | Tem | neko: agreed. Spell Lock should not be better than cs. I hate needing to pu 17 points into arcane |
| 14:46.50 | Kalroth | read EULA |
| 14:47.00 | Tem | esp now that arcane is so gimped |
| 14:47.31 | koz | all I would be doing is have wow read a different value for my hairstyle and having it display the one i want |
| 14:47.32 | koz | it does no harm |
| 14:47.49 | Kalroth | make a new character :) |
| 14:48.06 | koz | hes 60, with like 90 days /played, and rank 13 gear |
| 14:48.08 | koz | not an option |
| 14:48.25 | Kalroth | use your imagination then |
| 14:48.29 | koz | rofl |
| 14:48.47 | neko | can you extract the soundeffects and such from WoW in any way? |
| 14:48.52 | Kalroth | yes neko |
| 14:48.57 | neko | zomg url me |
| 14:49.06 | neko | cause im a complete noob, and such |
| 14:49.53 | koz | kal do you have a program that converts .csv to .dbc perhaps? |
| 14:49.55 | Kalroth | google for the first 3 letters of your OS combined with the file extension of the wow data files! |
| 14:50.06 | Kalroth | koz: that'd be an editor too, so no :) |
| 14:50.15 | koz | youre no fun |
| 14:50.21 | neko | but I run AmigaOS... :( |
| 14:50.22 | koz | you gotta live a little, bend the rules a bit! |
| 14:50.43 | Kalroth | neko: mmm, then you don't play WoW, in which case you're golden! |
| 14:50.46 | neko | but yeah, WinMPQ |
| 14:52.16 | Tain | I don't think you can trust someone who's age 30 and has never seen Star Wars. |
| 14:54.16 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.18 | Industrial | :P |
| 14:54.22 | Industrial | SP2* |
| 14:54.35 | Industrial | (Not that ill *cough* use it..) |
| 14:57.21 | Tem | ugh this sucks. I need 17 points in arcane, but I have no need for anything that's there |
| 14:58.21 | koz | learn2wandspec |
| 15:00.36 | neko | so hmm |
| 15:00.40 | neko | Ragnaros speech and such |
| 15:00.45 | neko | what MPQ might that be in? |
| 15:00.59 | Tem | sound.mpq? |
| 15:01.04 | neko | nope.. |
| 15:01.11 | neko | unless they are named something clever |
| 15:01.15 | Tem | ... patch.mpq? |
| 15:02.03 | Tem | speech.mpq maybe? |
| 15:02.29 | neko | hehe :) |
| 15:02.29 | Tem | ug this sucks... I don't want anything on the t3 level of arcane |
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| 15:02.56 | Tem | and I've already got all the useful talents out of t1 and t2 |
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| 15:08.59 | neko | haha |
| 15:08.59 | neko | wtf |
| 15:09.03 | neko | NapalmStrike? |
| 15:09.07 | Tem | ? |
| 15:09.07 | neko | L2P,silly developers |
| 15:09.15 | neko | the sound for when Nef lands |
| 15:09.22 | neko | which is an aoe-wide shadowflame |
| 15:09.41 | Tem | haha |
| 15:13.13 | Kirkburn | I do love this comic ... http://www.hlcomic.com/ |
| 15:22.12 | grimman | /wave Kirkburn |
| 15:22.27 | grimman | I'll give you 5g if you guess who this is. ;P |
| 15:23.07 | Kirkburn | ummm |
| 15:23.30 | Kirkburn | Ooh, I dunno |
| 15:23.40 | Kirkburn | Can I have 5g anyway? |
| 15:24.04 | grimman | No. |
| 15:24.09 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 15:24.44 | Kirkburn | A clue? |
| 15:24.59 | neko | anyone get "Not enough storage is available to process this command. |
| 15:25.02 | neko | " recently |
| 15:26.08 | grimman | Kirkburn: How about first level 60? |
| 15:26.10 | neko | "Page file: -1714290688 |
| 15:26.11 | neko | " |
| 15:26.14 | neko | damnit |
| 15:26.19 | neko | that seems a bit odd doesn't it? |
| 15:26.24 | grimman | neko: That's... odd indeed. |
| 15:27.51 | neko | where do you fiddle around with it btw? the pagefile.. forgotten |
| 15:27.57 | Kirkburn | grimman, how about if I give you some pancakes? |
| 15:28.14 | Kirkburn | "Yo quiero pancakes. Donnez-moi pancakes. Click-click-bloody click pancakes!" |
| 15:28.33 | grimman | Err yes... I've seen that Stewie pic. ;P |
| 15:30.00 | Kirkburn | Grimman, Night Elf, Hunter, 60? |
| 15:30.10 | grimman | Indeed so. |
| 15:30.13 | grimman | But the name's wrong. ;P |
| 15:30.22 | grimman | And I'm betting you cheated. |
| 15:30.38 | Kirkburn | Well, er, maybe |
| 15:30.51 | grimman | ;D |
| 15:31.25 | grimman | Btw, did you know we have a horde shammie on our server who also codes? |
| 15:31.48 | neko | hey, windowsguys |
| 15:31.56 | neko | "I have two tabs, general and shortcut" is that Xp home? |
| 15:31.56 | grimman | Oh, sorry neko. |
| 15:32.10 | neko | or Xp retardified by some restricted user? |
| 15:32.18 | grimman | The page file crap is edited in sysdm.cpl somewhere... hit Win+R and type sysdm.cpl |
| 15:32.56 | grimman | As for properties, that's XP default I think... you're looking for access privilegies, mm? |
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| 15:35.11 | Kirkburn | I still haven't worked it out grimman :( |
| 15:35.20 | grimman | Anjel, damn you. |
| 15:35.37 | grimman | I've said Hi in-game... mentioning your clearfonts crapola. ;) |
| 15:36.28 | Kirkburn | Gawd, how am I s'posed to remember that! :D |
| 15:36.39 | grimman | I remember you, don't I? |
| 15:36.39 | Kirkburn | Actually, I do vaguely remember :) |
| 15:36.44 | grimman | *disappointed* |
| 15:36.59 | Kirkburn | Awww |
| 15:37.22 | grimman | ;P |
| 15:37.27 | Kirkburn | I've hardly been playing recently - should be concentrating on my Uni work |
| 15:37.54 | Kirkburn | You were the first level 60 on the server? |
| 15:37.58 | grimman | Aye. |
| 15:38.06 | Kirkburn | Never knew that ... how fast? |
| 15:38.19 | grimman | And I haven't been playing either tbh... bored to bits and the guild sucks (but shhhhhh about that). |
| 15:38.26 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 15:38.27 | grimman | Uhm... two weeks I think. |
| 15:38.44 | grimman | It's so long ago, I don't actually remember. I do remember where I grinded though. ;P |
| 15:39.18 | grimman | Hehe. |
| 15:39.25 | grimman | Just me and one other night elf at Teldrassil. |
| 15:39.31 | grimman | But that was release night. |
| 15:39.59 | Kirkburn | Lol, when I logged Warburn for the first time in the afternoon, there must have been about 50 humans pottering about |
| 15:40.06 | grimman | hehe |
| 15:40.09 | grimman | I was always alone. |
| 15:40.16 | grimman | Still have a ton of unfinished group-quests. |
| 15:40.25 | grimman | Which I've done with my alt. =P |
| 15:40.25 | Kirkburn | :/ |
| 15:40.34 | Kirkburn | Heh |
| 15:40.47 | Kirkburn | Who's the coder on the horde side? |
| 15:40.59 | grimman | Telic =) |
| 15:41.46 | Kirkburn | Think I've heard of him ... I certainly know your addons though |
| 15:42.01 | grimman | Oh, nice. |
| 15:42.09 | grimman | Always fun to hear. |
| 15:43.04 | Kirkburn | :) I started a hunter recently so I've got SmartStuff for when I'm back playing again |
| 15:43.14 | grimman | ^^ |
| 15:43.28 | grimman | It should work nicely for 'lock DOTs too though. |
| 15:43.40 | Kirkburn | Oh cool, hadn't thought of that |
| 15:43.43 | grimman | With the new on-the-fly locktime settings. ;D |
| 15:43.47 | grimman | I use it for all my chars. |
| 15:44.21 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 15:44.55 | grimman | But then again, I did make it for myself, so why not? ;P |
| 15:45.44 | Kirkburn | Exactly ... I'll make sure you're on my friends list next time I'm on. So I can tell you it's all broken, naturally ... |
| 15:45.48 | grimman | Btw, since you're probably the man to ask, how does font replacing work nowadays? |
| 15:45.53 | grimman | hehe |
| 15:46.07 | Kirkburn | Better in some ways, worse in others |
| 15:46.44 | grimman | So still not possible to entirely rid my data folder of replacement fonts? |
| 15:47.24 | Kirkburn | You're talking about 'Step Two'? |
| 15:47.41 | grimman | Dunno. I know you have an absolute assload of instructions... ;P |
| 15:47.51 | Kirkburn | :( It's not thaaat long! |
| 15:47.54 | grimman | I'm just talking about actual usefulness. ;D |
| 15:47.55 | qw` | do you guys know of any mod like Stance Sets for Titanbar, but instead of changing sets based on stance, I want to change sets with keybindings |
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| 15:48.21 | Shouryuu | bloody brits |
| 15:48.28 | Kirkburn | Damn us. |
| 15:48.36 | Shouryuu | Aye |
| 15:48.38 | grimman | qw`: Binding keys are easy to add. ;D |
| 15:48.45 | Shouryuu | Bloody European cup final in paris |
| 15:48.46 | grimman | But I don't know of a specific addon. |
| 15:49.20 | Shouryuu | Bloody brunken brits signing in a pub right at the bottom of my appartement |
| 15:49.24 | Kirkburn | grimman, it depends on which addons you have. I can override the Blizz UI perfectly, and most addons. But some don't work for various reasons, so you gotta use Step Two. |
| 15:49.26 | qw` | grimman - hum I would love a UI like the Stance Sets that I could do it with |
| 15:49.28 | neko | qw`: Itemrack can bind itemsets to keys, I think... |
| 15:49.33 | grimman | Kirkburn: Back to the subject; Using the data folder replaces all fonts, but feels dirty. You should know this. ;) Can the effect be entirely reproduced by an addon nowadays or will some addons still remain unchanged? |
| 15:49.50 | Kirkburn | I pre-empted your question :D |
| 15:49.56 | grimman | hehe, apparently so, Kirkburn. |
| 15:50.10 | grimman | I'll just live with the data stuff till next patch though. |
| 15:50.19 | grimman | Unless they kill it off like so many other overrides. |
| 15:50.32 | Kirkburn | Doubt it, tbh |
| 15:50.40 | grimman | qw`: Can I assume you're familiar with coding at all? |
| 15:51.18 | qw` | grimman - yes, I'm proficient in Java |
| 15:51.24 | Kirkburn | If slouken/the UI team decide to block it, I'll pester him to change it back :) |
| 15:51.30 | grimman | Kirkburn: I expect to see model overrides killed off soon-ish. |
| 15:51.38 | grimman | hehe ^^ |
| 15:52.03 | grimman | qw`: I see, I had LUA in mind of course. ;D |
| 15:52.03 | Kirkburn | Model overrides yeah, but ... we'll see :P |
| 15:52.26 | grimman | It's easier to just kill everything, kirk. |
| 15:52.36 | grimman | And knowing Blizzard... |
| 15:52.37 | grimman | hehe |
| 15:52.44 | Kirkburn | Stop saying that =( |
| 15:52.53 | Tain | http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/2006/05/17/ |
| 15:52.56 | grimman | qw`: Ah well, link me the addon and I'll see what I can do. |
| 15:53.17 | grimman | Should be fairly simple as long as you give me a full description of what you want. ;) |
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| 15:53.26 | qw` | :D awesome |
| 15:53.34 | Shouryuu | Gawdamn cnnection |
| 15:54.07 | Kirkburn | Why are there a bunch of Brits there anyway? |
| 15:54.09 | Tain | Shouryuu: It's because the French network packets have to be translated to English network packets and sometimes they get lost. |
| 15:54.15 | grimman | Bored to tears, and my account is being played by someone else... which means I can't test the changes or play the game for any other reason. |
| 15:54.41 | Kirkburn | grimman, who's playing it? |
| 15:54.50 | Shouryuu | Kirkburn There's the Arsenal VS Barca match in Paris |
| 15:54.54 | grimman | Kirkburn: I get the feeling you're Danish. Call it a gnawing suspicion. |
| 15:55.01 | grimman | Nobody you know, but a close friend of mine. |
| 15:55.02 | grimman | =) |
| 15:55.06 | neko | urgh |
| 15:55.07 | neko | danish |
| 15:55.09 | neko | :D |
| 15:55.24 | Kirkburn | Uh .... <Shouryuu> bloody brits |
| 15:55.24 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.39 | grimman | AHA. |
| 15:55.42 | grimman | I didn't see that. |
| 15:55.45 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 15:55.49 | qw` | I'll get a screenshot of the mod |
| 15:55.49 | Kirkburn | Evidently! |
| 15:55.51 | grimman | As a hunter you don't need perception. *cough* |
| 15:55.55 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 15:56.06 | grimman | qw`: No good. ;P |
| 15:56.13 | grimman | I'm lazy and I want most of it served for me. |
| 15:56.15 | Kirkburn | English, home near london, Uni in Bristol, currently in Italy. |
| 15:56.33 | grimman | Besides, it's easier to take something that works and modify it than to make it from scratch... and better since I still can't test it. ;D |
| 15:57.06 | grimman | Italy... land of the angry football hooligans, no? |
| 15:57.16 | grimman | Which makes you... feel right at home. ;D |
| 15:57.21 | qw` | ah kk, don't you think it is obfuscated? |
| 15:57.27 | Elkano | wasn't that England? |
| 15:57.28 | grimman | qw`: Pardon me? |
| 15:57.41 | grimman | Elkano: Of course... but Italians are "passionate" about it. |
| 15:57.48 | grimman | Which basically translates to angry. |
| 15:57.51 | Kirkburn | Rayman gets odder every year ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QduvwetDFQ ... seriously, the french make the *weirdest* games |
| 15:57.57 | Shouryuu | Englishmen are just violent... |
| 15:58.06 | grimman | Only when drunk. |
| 15:58.07 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:58.07 | Kirkburn | Italian men are greasy. |
| 15:58.10 | qw` | grimman - the code, obfuscated. I think I heard some developers of lua files do that to their code |
| 15:58.19 | grimman | Oh, ah... |
| 15:58.23 | grimman | Naw, I don't think so. |
| 15:58.28 | grimman | What |
| 15:58.32 | grimman | nm |
| 15:58.33 | Shouryuu | Kirkburn A Drunk Englishman is a dumb as saying A frenchman on strike |
| 15:58.36 | grimman | mt ;) |
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| 15:58.57 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, lol |
| 15:59.26 | Shouryuu | gawdamn internet |
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| 16:00.01 | Kirkburn | Time for food. Not alcohol, no. Food. |
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| 16:01.01 | grimman | qw`: AFK for a moment, when I get back I expect to see that addon URL. ,P |
| 16:02.15 | qw` | http://home.no.net/mflister/stancesets :D |
| 16:03.19 | Shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.50 | qw` | hrmpft why doesn't ctrl + enter work with my IRC client |
| 16:05.30 | Shouryuu | It's all a conspiracy! People want me in an assylum! |
| 16:06.43 | Shouryuu | Going... crazy |
| 16:06.47 | Kirkburn|Yum | Windows Media Player 11 beta is out, looks really nice ... http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/11/default.aspx |
| 16:07.02 | grimman | Hm. |
| 16:07.03 | Kirkburn|Yum | Shouryuu, it's taken you *this* long to realise? |
| 16:07.10 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 16:07.13 | grimman | http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/ |
| 16:07.17 | grimman | Looks better than WMP. |
| 16:07.27 | Shouryuu | I can't even load those |
| 16:07.47 | Shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.49 | Shouryuu | soon |
| 16:08.09 | Kirkburn|Yum | :-/ |
| 16:08.13 | Shouryuu | WHY THE HELL DOES GOD PICK ON ME LIKE THAT |
| 16:08.17 | Kirkburn|Yum | I have MPC too |
| 16:08.28 | Kirkburn|Yum | Not great for music though |
| 16:08.36 | grimman | Winamp for music. |
| 16:08.41 | grimman | I have my own custom winamp version. ;P |
| 16:08.51 | Kirkburn|Yum | oooh, get you ;) |
| 16:09.14 | grimman | Haxxored 5.0.0.9, LOTS of plugins and it takes a mere 2 megs. |
| 16:09.24 | Kirkburn|Yum | Not bad |
| 16:09.31 | grimman | Frikking great I say. ;D |
| 16:09.46 | Kirkburn|Yum | Heh |
| 16:09.57 | Kirkburn|Yum | I'll report how WMP11 does later |
| 16:11.06 | grimman | Actually, qw`, it just dawned on me... can't you use one of the other gear addons? |
| 16:12.44 | grimman | And neko already pointed ItemRack out. ;) |
| 16:12.46 | qw` | I'm looking through them |
| 16:12.52 | qw` | at itemrack specifically |
| 16:12.52 | qw` | :P |
| 16:12.57 | Kirkburn|Yum | Poor shouryuu |
| 16:13.08 | grimman | Hehe, yeah it looks like just the thing you want actually. |
| 16:14.14 | qw` | yeah, it did actually :P |
| 16:14.19 | qw` | thanks for the effort though |
| 16:14.21 | qw` | I'll try that out |
| 16:14.22 | grimman | np |
| 16:15.03 | grimman | /scrap projects>StanceSetsRapeage. ;) |
| 16:17.12 | qw` | I got a project for you. Some kind of standardisation of updating Addons |
| 16:17.34 | qw` | s/of/for |
| 16:17.42 | grimman | I think there's already someone trying to do just that. |
| 16:18.41 | grimman | But I don't know his name, URL nor project name. |
| 16:19.01 | qw` | I heard about that / those projects half a year ago, but never seen any results |
| 16:19.37 | grimman | The hard part is getting people to make their addons support it. |
| 16:20.36 | Tain | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php |
| 16:20.39 | grimman | In theory it's really simple with a client and each addon providing it's own download URL. |
| 16:21.40 | qw` | yeah, or just a location to where the client program can get more info on the addon. Just a .txt or something with latest version, mirrors etc |
| 16:21.43 | grimman | Which of course punishes popular addons... but that's their own fault. ;D |
| 16:22.02 | grimman | Aye. |
| 16:22.25 | qw` | but I guess curse etc wouldn't like it that much because of advertisement earnings |
| 16:22.55 | grimman | I doubt their income scales very well with the downloads. |
| 16:23.31 | grimman | Around patch time their servers are overloaded and ad revenues won't be anywhere near what they spend on bandwidth. |
| 16:23.51 | grimman | And I primarily use such sites for finding new interesting addons anyway. |
| 16:24.16 | Legorol | the problem with automated AddOn update isn't so much about bandwidth, but standardisation |
| 16:24.32 | Legorol | there are several competing, incompatible programs already out there that automatically update your AddOns |
| 16:24.47 | grimman | I pointed that out, in a sense. =) |
| 16:25.00 | Miravlix_ | Thats why I want to make a installer with embedded lua |
| 16:25.07 | grimman | As did qw` by his request... but yeah, compliance is hardest. |
| 16:25.19 | Miravlix_ | That way the addon maker writes his own install script |
| 16:25.44 | Legorol | no matter what you try and do in terms of ease of use/software development, that's not going to solve the fundamental problem: |
| 16:25.53 | Legorol | people simply don't want to agree on one standard |
| 16:26.16 | Tain | With good reason! |
| 16:26.39 | Legorol | competition in general is good, this time it's the end-user that loses out |
| 16:27.30 | Tain | I disagree. For the simple fact that the nature of addons is slightly more technical than the average end-user of WoW, and putting a false sense of ease around it will cause more problems in the long run. |
| 16:27.38 | Legorol | an average user might have to run Cosmos patcher, Wowguru updater, Modwatcher and then download those addons manually that don't suppose any of those |
| 16:27.52 | grimman | ## Version: xx.xx + ## UpdateURL: http://host.com/script?version -> 200 http://host.com/newversion.zip or 200 You're running the latest version. |
| 16:28.12 | Legorol | grimman: that needs someone on the hosting side though to be happy with that solution |
| 16:28.13 | grimman | 200, IIRC, being the HTTP response code for a successful request. ;P |
| 16:28.14 | Legorol | it's been tried before |
| 16:28.16 | grimman | Something like that. |
| 16:28.26 | Legorol | it's not about how hard it is to do it |
| 16:28.43 | Legorol | Tain: i completely agree with you on AddOns being a technical endevaour |
| 16:28.56 | Legorol | i don't agree that because of that, there shouldn't be ease of use |
| 16:29.07 | Legorol | heck, i hate having to go to 10 different sites to update my addons ... |
| 16:29.19 | Legorol | nevertheless, i don't beleive that a unified solution will ever happen |
| 16:29.25 | Legorol | so you just live with it |
| 16:29.29 | Tain | My stance is that there isn't ease of use, that what you'll end up is a fasle sense of it that will casue even more issues because it fails. |
| 16:29.32 | grimman | I use two sites, that's bad enough. |
| 16:30.34 | Legorol | hm, let me see.. Curse, WoWi, CT, Auctioneer, Discord's site, wow.net (when i'm desperate) |
| 16:30.40 | Miravlix | Doesn't really matter if there is ease of use, addons give an in game advantage, so we should do our best to make them availble to everyone |
| 16:31.02 | grimman | Legorol: WoWi, ui.wownet |
| 16:31.09 | Kirkburn|Yum | mmm, ice cream |
| 16:31.12 | Tain | See though there's another big thing you destroy if you put in place a system to remove the user from the addon process. |
| 16:31.20 | Legorol | Tain, how about this: i agree that a false sense of "easiness" is bad |
| 16:31.30 | Tain | The community. |
| 16:31.31 | Legorol | but for those that are experts, it would be nice to have convenience |
| 16:32.00 | Tain | Discord is a great example, abstract out the addons and people don't get involved in what makes it so successful, collabaration. |
| 16:32.03 | Legorol | let's face it, almost everone in this channel will try and automate/script repetitive and boring tasks |
| 16:32.15 | Tain | Sometimes to the detriment of others, in my opinion. |
| 16:32.20 | Tain | Not always! |
| 16:32.30 | Legorol | ok i agree with the community part |
| 16:32.44 | grimman | Legorol: I don't find updating addons boring though... merely annoying to need two different sites. ;) |
| 16:32.48 | Tain | But some of the automation has caused more issues. .svn directories included in archives, automated packaging without sufficent testing. |
| 16:32.54 | grimman | Especially when one just looks hideous. |
| 16:33.00 | Tain | Now those things aren't caused by automation, but until someone can do it responsibly they shouldnt' do it. |
| 16:33.06 | Legorol | i see your point about how it is detrimental to the current community if you automate things for the user |
| 16:33.15 | Legorol | on the flip-side, the current community that you speak of is mostly for the tech savvy |
| 16:33.26 | Legorol | whereas as Miravlix pointed out, AddOns should be accessible to everyone |
| 16:33.31 | Legorol | the tech savvy will still find the community |
| 16:33.51 | Tain | Yes, but the communitiy won't draw in the people it has as a consequence. |
| 16:33.54 | Miravlix | An elitist community is just bad |
| 16:34.02 | Tain | Those who wouldn't have normally gotten involved, have. |
| 16:34.16 | Miravlix | It's a mentality that will eat itself up |
| 16:34.41 | Legorol | well i know plenty of friends who are good enough with computers to install and update programs on their machines, that just want to simply go and use the AddOns |
| 16:34.55 | Legorol | i know they wouldn't be interested in the community behind it, and i wouldn't want to force it on them |
| 16:35.15 | Tain | Don't get me wrong, I don't think automation and improving ease of use is a bad thing. But I do think there's enough downside to fully automating the addon process to be extremly wary about it. |
| 16:35.30 | Legorol | to some extent, you are right |
| 16:35.36 | Legorol | we see plenty of example of that with Cosmos |
| 16:35.49 | Legorol | Cosmos is a good example of a fully automated install/update package |
| 16:35.59 | Legorol | and we get people who don't even know what a Zip file is or how to extract it |
| 16:36.10 | Legorol | causes us enough headaches trying to explain things to those people |
| 16:36.12 | grimman | They're already around though. ;P |
| 16:36.28 | Legorol | but on the other hand, nevertheless we do want those people to use AddOns in-game |
| 16:36.57 | Legorol | it's not an easy balance to strike |
| 16:37.11 | Tain | That's it though, I feel that's a line you shouldn't have to cross. If someone doesn't know how to extract an archive (which isn't something someone just inherently knows) and can't learn, then my opinion is they shouldn't install adodns. |
| 16:37.31 | Legorol | that's a viewpoint i disagree with |
| 16:37.40 | Legorol | i don't think you can say to a person: you are too inept therefore you can't use AddOns |
| 16:37.47 | Tain | Nope, I didn't say that. |
| 16:38.08 | Miravlix | I don't see why knowing how to install an addon has anything to do with using addons |
| 16:38.16 | Tain | I see a direct link. |
| 16:38.23 | Tain | And that's the crux of my feelings on the issue. |
| 16:38.32 | Miravlix | Shouldn't people use Windows because only I as SysAdmin can maintain the computers? |
| 16:38.40 | Tain | Hello absurd comparisons! Hello! |
| 16:38.54 | Legorol | ok look, you are both right and have valid points |
| 16:38.55 | Miravlix | It's not absurd, addons is a simple in game enchament |
| 16:39.16 | Miravlix | The difficulty in installing them has NOTHING to do with using addons |
| 16:39.17 | Legorol | we get far more tech support requests from people who are not good at computers (e.g. can't extract archives) when it comes to using addons in-game |
| 16:39.18 | Tain | It's not simple when things break. |
| 16:39.21 | Legorol | there is definitely a correlation |
| 16:39.45 | Tain | I don't feel addons, well many/most addons, are an install once, use forever, sort of thing. |
| 16:39.46 | Legorol | but i don't see that as a reason to not try and make it easy to install and easy to use |
| 16:39.47 | Miravlix | I'm more than willing to deal with things breaking, or I wouldn't be writing addons in the first place |
| 16:39.58 | Tain | It's not about YOU dealing with things breaking. |
| 16:40.00 | Miravlix | Don't create something unless your willing to put in the time to support it |
| 16:40.15 | Legorol | Tain you are right, AddOns can and do break and then it's the user that has to troubleshoot |
| 16:40.16 | Tain | It's about a person not having the first clue what to do when suddenly things aren't working. |
| 16:40.20 | neko | Legorol: you some sort of blizzard person? O_o |
| 16:40.25 | Legorol | that is a technical endevaour at a certain level |
| 16:40.28 | Legorol | neko: huh? |
| 16:40.37 | neko | anyway, self-searching-and-extracting .addon thingy would be nice, for the tards |
| 16:40.42 | Legorol | neko: I wish i was :D |
| 16:40.45 | Miravlix | Tain: So, why should they need to have a clue? It's MY JOB to extract enough information from them to fix there problem |
| 16:40.49 | neko | [18:39] < Legorol> we get far more tech support requests from people who are not good at computers (e.g. can't extract archives) when it comes to using addons in-game |
| 16:40.51 | Miravlix | It's NOT there job to code addons |
| 16:40.56 | neko | that... sounds like GM/thingy thing to say |
| 16:40.58 | Legorol | neko, i was talking about Cosmos |
| 16:40.58 | Tain | How are they supposed to know its your addon doing it? |
| 16:41.01 | neko | ooh |
| 16:41.18 | Miravlix | And it's MY failure if I'm unable to ask the right questions to fix the problem |
| 16:41.18 | Tain | They don't know, they just ran some exes that did stuff. |
| 16:41.35 | Legorol | it can be absolutely impossible to extract information from some users |
| 16:41.38 | Legorol | that is entirely true |
| 16:41.39 | Tain | Now it doesn't work. Ohnoes! Who do I call? Who do I ask? Blizzard you broke my game! |
| 16:41.43 | Legorol | but that is very rare |
| 16:42.09 | Legorol | most users you can at least get them to wipe their holy trinity :) |
| 16:42.22 | Tain | That's what I mean about extracting the user away from the community, the easier you make it for them the less they get a chance to even know where to start. |
| 16:42.57 | Legorol | Windows isn't entirely a bad analogy here, so let's have a look at that for the moment |
| 16:43.02 | Legorol | consider the Automatic Update feature there |
| 16:43.05 | Miravlix | With pcalls and stuff these days, it's far easier to give good error message that isn't confusing, offcourse the is still many hidden failures, due to addon X doing something hidden but successfull that impair addon Y, but thats the charm of it. |
| 16:43.13 | Legorol | most computer users don't know what security risks are, that they need to be protected from them etc. |
| 16:43.18 | Tain | Now if someone knows that they downloaded YOUR addon and something broke, sure that's something. |
| 16:43.19 | Kirkburn|Yum | You gotta read this! Night Elves ... the reason for everything bad that happens: http://www.pvprp.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=37265&sid=11ef1720fef4fb156e3dad3048f3497e#37265 |
| 16:43.24 | Legorol | automatic update is excellent for those people |
| 16:43.28 | Legorol | and automatic update does break |
| 16:43.34 | Legorol | then what happens? |
| 16:43.45 | Kirkburn|Yum | It breaks? |
| 16:43.46 | Miravlix | The challenge for me, is to support and maintain the addon, codeing them is easy. |
| 16:44.04 | Tain | What happens? Someone calls their support to fix it. |
| 16:44.10 | Miravlix | Not until other people get involved does the real challenge and fun begins |
| 16:44.44 | Tain | So to compare with Windows Update you propose creating a support organization to handle technical support of all addons for WoW? |
| 16:44.48 | Legorol | yes, so there is a direct correlation between ease of use and level of support the addon coder community provides |
| 16:44.55 | Legorol | Tain: nope |
| 16:45.02 | Tain | That's what people need. |
| 16:45.06 | Legorol | because, just like for windows programs there isn't a central support organisation |
| 16:45.06 | Tain | Centralized support for everything. |
| 16:45.14 | Legorol | that i do agree with |
| 16:45.23 | Miravlix | We do support that all addons work with Cosmos |
| 16:45.23 | Legorol | it's a topic i discuss often with many people |
| 16:45.24 | Tain | Sure there is. People call Dell. They call MS, and they pay for support. |
| 16:45.35 | Legorol | but MS won't help them with 3rd party apps |
| 16:45.39 | Miravlix | Take the Auctioneer update a few days ago |
| 16:45.49 | Legorol | anyway, i was going to say that i definitely see a new profession emerging |
| 16:45.50 | Miravlix | Actually MS does help with third party too |
| 16:45.52 | Legorol | "computer doctor" |
| 16:46.04 | Miravlix | There GPF database does contain other software and solutions |
| 16:46.13 | Legorol | just like most people have some rudimentary knowledge about what to do if you get a cold, in most cases they call a doctor if something is wrong with them |
| 16:46.16 | Tain | MS will work with third party applications, they'll coordinate with that app's support (if it exists.) |
| 16:46.18 | Legorol | the same will emerge with computers |
| 16:46.49 | Legorol | at the moment computers are still somewhere at the stage that cars were at the beginning of last century: |
| 16:46.50 | Tain | It's already out there, Legoral. I've heard radio ads for two different services just this week. |
| 16:46.55 | grimman | Kirkburn|Yum: Took me a while, but here's the original URL: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8336062&p=1&tmp=1#post8336062 |
| 16:46.57 | grimman | ;D |
| 16:47.01 | Legorol | if the car broke, you fixed it at home |
| 16:47.05 | Legorol | nowadays you take it to a garage |
| 16:47.11 | Legorol | heck most people don't know how to check the oil level |
| 16:47.14 | qw` | that itemrack thing is very confusing |
| 16:47.19 | Legorol | Tain: sure it is emerging, but it's not widespread |
| 16:47.27 | grimman | qw`: How so? |
| 16:47.55 | Legorol | currently, computer support comes in the form of: paid support from say MS, which is restricted to their products, friendly support from family/friends, and then 100 different support places for the 100 different other software pieces a user has |
| 16:48.10 | Legorol | many users won't even know where to start asking for support |
| 16:48.16 | neko | haha |
| 16:48.17 | neko | oh man |
| 16:48.18 | Tain | I couldn't get Itemrack to switch my weapons fully correctly on Stealth when swapping 2 weapons to a single dagger, then back to 2 weapons. |
| 16:48.22 | Miravlix | I worked in a fee based general support hotline 10 years ago |
| 16:48.24 | neko | "The main reason why people have to reboot isn't because it's been on too long. Programs that run will occasionally keep ahold of memory or they will "leak." As I am very watchful of my system resources, I can get rid of most of those issues by just terminating unwanted processes every once in a while. You do the same thing when you run a domain server. " |
| 16:48.29 | neko | Oh man |
| 16:48.38 | neko | the techsupport forum is filled with hilarity! |
| 16:48.39 | Tain | No, currently support is from whoever you buy the computer from. That's your first level. |
| 16:49.19 | Legorol | if only it was like that.. |
| 16:49.30 | Legorol | that may be the case in the US |
| 16:49.49 | Legorol | but it's certinaly not my everyday experience, dealing with friends, relatives, acquaintances and colleagues |
| 16:50.05 | Tain | It would be funny to me if it wasn't like that elsewhere since US companies support desks are rarely in the US anymore. :) |
| 16:50.14 | grimman | Tain: Two identically named weapons -> dagger -> back? |
| 16:50.27 | Tain | That's partially because people know someone and ask them first, instead of calling support like they should. |
| 16:50.35 | Tain | And if you let them ask you, they have no reason to call their main support option. |
| 16:50.45 | Legorol | Tain: i don't know why or how, but i am yet to meet a person in real life whom, when faced with a computer problem, went to the phone for support instead of asking a knowledgable friend |
| 16:50.56 | Legorol | sure, but i am not talking about me providing support |
| 16:51.02 | Tain | It's a general "you" |
| 16:51.09 | Tain | The person saying, "Ok I'll help you." |
| 16:51.10 | Legorol | yes |
| 16:51.24 | Legorol | and my impression is that that is more widespread then phoning the "first level" as you called it |
| 16:51.32 | Legorol | i can't prove it or anything, it's just an impression |
| 16:51.34 | Tain | But even if that is so, which it is in large part, there's no reason that someone's goign to call the new comptuer doctor line either. |
| 16:51.51 | qw` | grimman - sorry, I was backreading your discussion. I'll try to fumble around with it for a while longer, and if I can't make it work I'll describe the problem :P |
| 16:51.53 | Legorol | oh there is, once it becomes a generally acceptable house-hold name |
| 16:52.09 | Legorol | if your plumbing breaks, do you call your dextrous friend, or the plumber? |
| 16:52.15 | grimman | qw`: I know nothing about the addon apart from its name. ;) |
| 16:52.18 | Legorol | it's a shift in viewpoint that needs to happen in the general populace |
| 16:52.35 | Tain | See I think the issue lies more with the "friend" saying ok they'll look at it more than there being other viable options. |
| 16:52.42 | Legorol | what i am trying to say is that the significance of support for computers isn't as appreciated by average people as say the role of a plumber |
| 16:53.10 | Legorol | Tain: yes i agree that the "friend" is at fault too |
| 16:53.16 | Legorol | but it's a vicious circle in a sense |
| 16:53.26 | Legorol | which, i beleive, will eventually break and the whole scene will shift |
| 16:53.43 | Kirkburn|Yum | Legorol has a dream! |
| 16:53.57 | Legorol | no it's not a dream, it's more like a projection ;-) |
| 16:54.17 | Kirkburn|Yum | Well, can I call you Martin Luther Legorol anyway? |
| 16:54.22 | Legorol | ok |
| 16:54.32 | Kirkburn|Yum | :) |
| 16:54.56 | Legorol | on the other hand, i was quite happy to cash in on providing specialised tech support at one point to an acquaintance of a friend ;-) |
| 16:55.21 | Legorol | specialised being they needed someone who can speak Japanese, happens to be in Hungary, and can provide expert computer support |
| 16:56.24 | Legorol | i will leave you with my motto for the plan to take over the world: |
| 16:56.29 | Legorol | AddOns for one, AddOns for all! |
| 16:56.31 | Legorol | :) |
| 16:56.55 | Tain | All addon users are equal. But some are more equal than others. ;) |
| 16:57.04 | Legorol | yup |
| 16:57.34 | Legorol | on a related by slightly off-tangent note: |
| 16:57.44 | Legorol | do you ever make use of any phone or similar support? |
| 16:58.05 | Tain | Yes, and it always is a painful experience. |
| 16:58.09 | Legorol | i find those very frustrating, especially when i find out i know more about the stuff than the person on the other end of the phone and they are not willing to connect me to someone who knows more |
| 16:58.38 | Legorol | hehe Tain, same here |
| 16:59.31 | Tain | I did phone tech support for a while early on in my career so I know it's not easy to do, but the whole idea of "customer service" seems to have completely disappeared in my opinion. |
| 17:00.11 | Legorol | speaking of tech support, i had an interesting conversation with Microsoft support the other day |
| 17:00.33 | Legorol | turns out i am allowed to, according to their EULA and by their own admission, to ask you for a product key to Windows 2000 Professional |
| 17:00.36 | Legorol | sorry, got to go |
| 17:00.46 | Legorol | oh oops, no i don't :) |
| 17:01.36 | grimman | Ask who for a product key? |
| 17:01.40 | Legorol | anyone |
| 17:01.45 | grimman | Weird. |
| 17:01.57 | Legorol | i happen to have the right to ask anyone i want to for a W2K Pro product key |
| 17:02.40 | Legorol | It's very simple actually: I own a copy of XP, and I have the right to downgrade. If I exercise my right to downgrade, MS will not provide the media however. |
| 17:02.52 | Legorol | So I have to ask a friend/family/whomever for a copy of W2K Pro |
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| 17:03.07 | Legorol | and how do i get a product key? well i ask for that too! |
| 17:03.09 | Legorol | no problems! |
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| 17:03.43 | Legorol | That's what Microsoft's licencing support department explained to me |
| 17:04.01 | qw` | I work at an ISP in norway on tier 1 customer support, and believe you me, there's LOTS of people who will phone us for the slightest, unrelated to our product, hiccup on their PC's |
| 17:04.34 | Legorol | So I asked them: all right, so let's say I have a copy of Vista and I want to downgrade to Windows XP. Do I just ask for the product key for that too? which I can't, because of activation. |
| 17:04.40 | Legorol | The response I got was: ummmmmmm they don't konw |
| 17:04.58 | Legorol | They told me to ask again when Vista is actually out |
| 17:05.11 | Legorol | That cracked me up |
| 17:05.16 | Legorol | ok i will stop talking to myself now |
| 17:05.19 | grimman | ;P |
| 17:05.22 | grimman | Please do. |
| 17:05.23 | grimman | hehe |
| 17:05.38 | qw` | yes, the logfile is taking over my partition |
| 17:05.48 | grimman | <outburst>I want my iPod nowwwww.</outburst> |
| 17:06.15 | Legorol | qw`: i hope you really enjoy your job, i wouldn't imagine being able to do support otherwise |
| 17:06.42 | qw` | Legorol - it was fun in the start, but after a year your head starts to ache |
| 17:06.43 | grimman | I want to do support... for some reason. |
| 17:06.56 | grimman | Though I hear it's horrible and it pays less than stacking bricks(!). |
| 17:07.35 | grimman | The salary part of that sentence was a fact. |
| 17:07.57 | qw` | the only good thing is that the company I'm working for is delivering broadband through fiberoptics, and we also have telephone, TV, power etc on the side from being an ISP, so the support is pretty diverse |
| 17:08.35 | qw` | I would hate to be a support person on say just one product. I think I'd kill myself pretty fast, or quit |
| 17:08.40 | qw` | *quick |
| 17:09.39 | qw` | Tain - I have some problems with the ItemRack addon too. It doesn't want to save my sets properly. When I add equipment to the set, save it, switch to another set, then back, it's poof gone |
| 17:10.14 | [Wobin] | Gello was saying he wanted to look into IR a bit more |
| 17:10.21 | [Wobin] | I don't know if he had the time though =) |
| 17:10.26 | Tain | I have to admit it took me a little while to figure out how ItemRack really works, I felt kind of stupid since people seemed to have no trouble, but it took me a while to understand it. |
| 17:10.40 | qw` | I'm not understanding it yet :P |
| 17:10.49 | qw` | I think I do, but I'm obviously doing something wrong |
| 17:10.55 | [Wobin] | steep learning curve, eh? |
| 17:11.05 | Tain | Of course I may not fully understand it since it doesn't work right for me, with my Stealth example at least. |
| 17:11.11 | Tain | Oh someone asked before, it wasn't 2 weapons with teh same name. |
| 17:11.19 | grimman | kk |
| 17:11.26 | grimman | Then the addon sucks. ;) |
| 17:11.35 | qw` | more a problem with a very creative UI deployment :P |
| 17:12.04 | Tain | Two weapons, going to stealth want to put in a Dagger in mainhand, but don't always have a weapon for offhand. So I stealth, Ambush, then want to switch back to my original 2 weapons. |
| 17:12.30 | Tain | Well, I see it as it's a complicated addon so there is a learning curve. |
| 17:12.55 | [Wobin] | I would do more ambishing.... but cheapshot has stolen my heart =) |
| 17:13.03 | Tain | Cheapshot is so great. |
| 17:13.08 | grimman | ;P |
| 17:13.12 | Tain | It depends on the situation, I do both. |
| 17:13.14 | grimman | For grinding I just use SS. |
| 17:13.23 | [Wobin] | I can pull up 4 cp's before they even get one hit in =) |
| 17:13.24 | grimman | It seems to be a great deal more efficient. |
| 17:13.37 | Tain | Most of the time yes, grimman. |
| 17:13.58 | grimman | Good good. Then there's still hope for my alt. ;D |
| 17:14.00 | Tain | But if we only played to be as efficient as possible there wouldn't be much fun. :) |
| 17:14.21 | grimman | For you maybe. |
| 17:14.28 | grimman | I love efficiency. |
| 17:14.29 | Tain | [Wobin]: Then you can hit Kidney Shot and keep going. |
| 17:14.33 | Tain | I love fun. |
| 17:14.54 | grimman | I think efficiency is fun. |
| 17:14.56 | [Wobin] | hehe |
| 17:14.58 | grimman | ^^ |
| 17:15.07 | [Wobin] | Kidney shot is so good against humanoids who like to run =P |
| 17:15.11 | Tain | Calculating the best way to min/max my exp gain per second based on the optimal execution of a string of commands is not fun. |
| 17:15.14 | Tain | For me. |
| 17:15.48 | Tain | I personally would question whether or not you're actually being truthful in saying, "efficiency is fun" since that's a statement that goes against the defintion of both. |
| 17:16.03 | Tain | But, you can prefer to be efficient, that's purely understandable. |
| 17:16.19 | grimman | Being inefficient is just... awful imo. |
| 17:16.32 | Tain | It's ok! We all have opinions! |
| 17:16.37 | Tain | Some of us just also have fun. :) |
| 17:17.28 | grimman | Seems to me you're trying to say I don't have any fun. ;P |
| 17:17.45 | [Wobin] | (indirectly =P) |
| 17:17.45 | Tain | I didn't say that. But if your'e saying that I'm sorry. :( |
| 17:17.54 | grimman | =P |
| 17:17.55 | Tain | It's ok, you don't *have* to have fun playing a game. |
| 17:18.07 | [Wobin] | ~comfort grimman |
| 17:18.09 | purl | There, there, grimman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:18.17 | grimman | Well... yes you do, else you're just performing some odd duty. =) |
| 17:18.31 | Tain | Ah now you're describing raiding! |
| 17:18.36 | grimman | Indeed I am. |
| 17:18.41 | [Wobin] | Indeed he is |
| 17:19.08 | grimman | Btw... |
| 17:19.17 | Tain | Actually doing MC caused me to quit playing for six months or so. |
| 17:19.21 | grimman | /hi my name is Anj, I've been raid free for six weeks! |
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| 17:21.56 | grimman | /blush |
| 17:22.05 | qw` | I think I'm going to try and add keybinding to the stancesets addon instead of it being event driven. That itemrack thing didn't work out |
| 17:22.24 | grimman | ;P |
| 17:22.36 | grimman | Back to where I left off then, hehe. |
| 17:22.56 | qw` | correct :P I just need to figure out how LUA works |
| 17:23.16 | grimman | SHOULD be fairly simple... but probably isn't. |
| 17:23.49 | qw` | yeah, I just hope I can disable the event driven part and add keybindings there instead |
| 17:23.57 | grimman | Hm... seems I should level up my motivational skills. ;P |
| 17:26.58 | Tain | Doesn't StanceSets let you do /stancesets 3 or somethign like that to switch to that set? |
| 17:27.27 | qw` | not that I know of, I think it's purely event driven |
| 17:27.55 | qw` | It's based on an AddOn called "QuickSwap" - the Titan part is just the UI |
| 17:27.58 | Tain | Oh maybe I have a different one, I'm using StanceSets3 and it includes bindings to switch to sets. |
| 17:28.05 | Tain | Ok, this one isn't using QuickSwap |
| 17:28.31 | grimman | *cringe* The StanceSets code is kinda a jumble imo. |
| 17:28.32 | qw` | ah faund it |
| 17:28.39 | qw` | *found |
| 17:28.40 | Tain | Oh I see whoever did it included the quickswap code |
| 17:28.57 | Tain | Anwyay this one is from here if you want to look at it. http://capnbry.net/wow/ |
| 17:29.14 | qw` | I found the v3 one |
| 17:29.26 | qw` | it looks like someone had the exact same thoughts I'm having |
| 17:30.48 | grimman | Awesome. ;D |
| 17:31.49 | qw` | yep :D thanks both of you |
| 17:32.26 | grimman | No need to thank me, if I was included there... I haven't gone past planning yet, hehe. |
| 17:36.03 | qw` | hehe nah, you're just being humble |
| 17:36.45 | qw` | with how IRC generally has detoriated over the years, this channel is a puff of fresh air imho |
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| 17:37.38 | grimman | Haven't been on IRC much in the past few years. ;P |
| 17:37.44 | grimman | I guess it works out favourably. |
| 17:38.37 | Kirkburn|Yum | This is the best IRC channel I've ever been on, and I've been on one. |
| 17:39.27 | grimman | nub |
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| 17:41.19 | qw` | I'm on 25 channels on four nets : |
| 17:41.20 | qw` | :P |
| 17:41.51 | grimman | I see. |
| 17:42.49 | Kirkburn|Yum | Morning Iriel |
| 17:49.53 | Kalroth | Kirkburn|Yum: You only say that because I'm here! *blush* |
| 17:50.32 | Kirkburn|Yum | Well, of course =) |
| 17:53.59 | grimman | Time for some Halo. |
| 17:55.39 | Iriel | 1? or 2? |
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| 17:57.35 | Kalroth | He's swedish, so I'm putting my money on 2! |
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| 18:28.50 | grimman | Who's Swedish, and why? |
| 18:29.57 | grimman | (for those who care, I won alot. *glee*) |
| 18:32.37 | Iriel | Was it Halo, or Halo 2, that's what enquiring minds wanted to know |
| 18:32.48 | Kirov | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/armorsets/images/tier3raid/hunter/dwarf-male.jpg |
| 18:32.50 | grimman | Aha. |
| 18:32.56 | grimman | Halo 1, I don't own an XBOX. |
| 18:33.04 | grimman | Or a TV for that matter. |
| 18:33.42 | grimman | Kirov: Wee! At last a hunter set that doesn't look like an alchoholic designed it. ^^ |
| 18:33.57 | Kirov | We're a bad-ass spider |
| 18:34.05 | Kirov | Looks really cool |
| 18:34.20 | Kirov | unlike these poor fools http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/armorsets/images/tier3raid/paladin/dwarf-male.jpg |
| 18:34.29 | grimman | Iriel: Are you a Halo fan? ^^ |
| 18:34.47 | grimman | Kirov: That looks OK too tbh. |
| 18:35.08 | Kirov | In game it's the most horrendous looking armor |
| 18:35.13 | Wobin_ | rofl |
| 18:35.14 | grimman | Though I can't understand Blizzard's obsession with shouldermounted weapons. |
| 18:35.24 | Wobin_ | It looks like a Decepticon |
| 18:35.43 | grimman | Hunters should get shoulder mounted plasma cannons and active camouflage. ;P |
| 18:35.59 | grimman | And weird mandibles + fist weapons. |
| 18:36.28 | Wobin_ | And end up looking like a Tyranid |
| 18:36.32 | Iriel | grimman : In group settings yeah, a bunch of friends get together a few times a year w/ 2 XBoxes (now 360's) for some killing. |
| 18:36.40 | grimman | http://thailand.chiangmai-news.com/images/imnews/steel-robots/predator-c1-2m+-b-1.jpg NPC + level 70 hunter. |
| 18:37.16 | grimman | Iriel: Rawr, that's fun too. ^^ Though I can't for the world get used to the Halo 2 controller... too high FPS for comfort. ;D |
| 18:39.02 | Kirov | er |
| 18:39.13 | Kirov | a) "Halo 2 controller" = ? |
| 18:39.25 | Kirov | b) how does a controller have fps? |
| 18:39.33 | grimman | The feel of the XBOX controller in the game "Halo 2". |
| 18:39.44 | grimman | The game has FPS, which affects the feel of the controller. |
| 18:39.58 | Kirov | If the game has high fps, it's a good thing |
| 18:40.11 | End | how can a high fps negatively affect comfort level? |
| 18:40.22 | Kirov | Unless you're refering to the speed of the player's rotational movement. |
| 18:40.31 | grimman | Well... if you've played Halo as much as I have, getting used to the controller in Halo 2 is damn near impossible when you don't actually own an XBOX. |
| 18:40.55 | End | well yes, I can understand the controller issue |
| 18:41.06 | End | but I'm not sure about the fps part |
| 18:41.16 | grimman | Higher FPS == more responsive controller. |
| 18:41.45 | Kirov | Higher FPS ~= more sensative controller |
| 18:41.49 | Kirov | which is your issue |
| 18:41.53 | grimman | Naw. |
| 18:42.01 | grimman | I know how to set the sens up. =) |
| 18:42.31 | End | so...you expect the controls to require longer or slower button pushes? |
| 18:42.53 | grimman | Just a tiiiny bit slower response time I guess. |
| 18:42.58 | grimman | I'm just too fast for the game. ;P |
| 18:43.01 | grimman | *snicker* |
| 18:45.33 | grimman | I wonder how Halo 2 on the PC will be. |
| 18:47.47 | krka | crap, my / partition got full |
| 18:47.49 | krka | so mysql died |
| 18:47.50 | krka | T_T |
| 18:48.07 | krka | i should clean out my apt-stuff more often |
| 18:48.49 | grimman | Funky communist jargon... |
| 18:48.52 | grimman | ;D |
| 18:52.59 | Iriel | krka: A weekly cron to clean up the apt cache is a good thing |
| 18:54.49 | krka | yeah, that sounds like a plan |
| 18:56.15 | Iriel | Or buy much bigger disks 8-) |
| 19:02.03 | Industrial | Iriel: is there an official cosmos irc channel? |
| 19:04.17 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 19:04.51 | grimman | How incredibly annoying. Got my new hosting solution yesterday, but the domain migration isn't done yet so I can't access it. |
| 19:05.40 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.01 | Industrial | ok |
| 19:06.17 | Kirkburn|Yum | grimman, who with? |
| 19:06.24 | grimman | Danish web hotel. |
| 19:06.26 | grimman | Cheap as dirt. |
| 19:06.33 | grimman | B-one. |
| 19:06.43 | Kirkburn|Yum | Don't know them |
| 19:07.02 | grimman | =) |
| 19:07.13 | grimman | A friend has had his domain with them for some time now, no problems so far. |
| 19:07.32 | Kirkburn|Yum | :) Took about one day with my new host too, hope it's done soon |
| 19:08.01 | grimman | They say it takes longer for migrations. ;( |
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| 19:25.00 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Plagueheart still looks utterly utterly weird to me |
| 19:25.10 | grimman | ? |
| 19:25.14 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Like it belongs to a hypnotist |
| 19:25.19 | Kirkburn|Greeen | (Tier 3 Warlock) |
| 19:25.47 | Kirkburn|Greeen | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/armorsets/ |
| 19:26.12 | grimman | rofl |
| 19:29.40 | AnduinLothar | judging by those pally tier 3 pieces I would definitly say blizzard has decided paladins are for heal |
| 19:30.28 | AnduinLothar | od tho, cause tier .5 is general use, tier 1 is healdin, tier 2 is general use and tier 3 is healadin.. |
| 19:31.26 | AnduinLothar | like they want us to change playing style every few months |
| 19:32.58 | End | hmmm...I was about to say the shaman sets are like that too, but tier 2 is still pretty heavy heal, just it has some elemental capability too |
| 19:33.55 | End | I play a druid though, and tier 2 and 3 are both very heavy heal with tier one being mostly heal with really bad set bonuses and some weak +damage and healing |
| 19:34.16 | End | no, I will not shut up about +4 to thorns (and +5 minute duration now too!) |
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| 19:34.49 | grimman | Hunter tier 3 sucks bonus wise, but the agi is massive. |
| 19:35.06 | grimman | And it seems fairly DPS centered. *snicker* |
| 19:36.02 | End | hmm |
| 19:36.08 | End | the rogue set has a ton of agi too |
| 19:37.39 | AnduinLothar | I've made my own tier .75 agil dps pally |
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| 19:38.41 | AnduinLothar | not that he's necissarily GOOD at it, but it's been fun getting up to 25% crit on a class that blizzard has decided gets zero agil. |
| 19:39.24 | End | you'd probably get more damage by replacing the agi for str though |
| 19:39.38 | AnduinLothar | in pve, yes |
| 19:39.46 | AnduinLothar | more meant for 1-hit in pvp |
| 19:39.57 | End | yeah, I can see what you mean |
| 19:40.11 | End | burst damage comes in a lot more useful in pvp |
| 19:41.47 | AnduinLothar | problem is on pallies all the big damage is chance on hit |
| 19:42.29 | AnduinLothar | so... i have a slim change of triple proc doing 1200+1000+1600 in one swing... |
| 19:42.33 | AnduinLothar | chance* |
| 19:43.49 | AnduinLothar | and if I can get them to crit me and save up reckonning bombs... there's a fluke chance that I can hit once for like 7k damage.. |
| 19:44.25 | AnduinLothar | doesn't happen often at all tho |
| 19:47.13 | grimman | I feel for you, I really do... with crappy damage like that. |
| 19:47.18 | End | hmm, I don't think 7k damage is something that'd be good if it happened a lot..something about a swift nerf :P |
| 19:47.19 | grimman | Or; |
| 19:47.25 | grimman | WTF? Why exactly are palas whining? |
| 19:48.31 | AnduinLothar | since when are palies whining? |
| 19:48.39 | AnduinLothar | shamen are the ones that whine |
| 19:49.05 | AnduinLothar | I consider it a challenge... since most of my hits are for like 300-600 |
| 19:49.11 | grimman | All I hear from palas are "omg whine I don't do any damagebla bla whine". |
| 19:49.33 | grimman | Whereas shamans say "omg our mana pool runs out in like minutes!!zomg!!" |
| 19:49.39 | AnduinLothar | well, if you don't spec and gear for it... you don't do any damage |
| 19:49.50 | grimman | Naturally. |
| 19:49.56 | grimman | Did you expect anything else? |
| 19:50.02 | Gryphen | http://www.angelfire.com/tn/jedicouncil2/images/Sandpeople.gif http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/armorsets/images/tier3raid/warlock/gnome-male.jpg |
| 19:50.21 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Welcome to last year ;) |
| 19:50.23 | AnduinLothar | I can raid heal just fine with zero points in holy tallents if I'm geared for it |
| 19:50.53 | Kirkburn|Greeen | AnduinLothar, they gave a response about the Pally armour ... they've got lots of healing because the people who get it - raiders - always heal. |
| 19:51.05 | grimman | What shaman whine have you heard then? |
| 19:51.08 | AnduinLothar | mostly heal anyway |
| 19:51.24 | AnduinLothar | shaman always whine about their not having as good buffs |
| 19:51.25 | grimman | Kirkburn|Greeen: What's up with the "Greeen" part? |
| 19:51.29 | grimman | (of your nick) |
| 19:51.32 | Kirkburn|Greeen | I'm watching Green Wing |
| 19:51.46 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Damnably excellent, it is |
| 19:52.03 | grimman | AnduinLothar: Oh my... that must be horrible for them. |
| 19:52.11 | grimman | Kirkburn|Greeen: Never heard of it. |
| 19:52.12 | AnduinLothar | like the fact that with 5 pallies you can have a raid group where everyone has 5 extra buffs |
| 19:52.38 | AnduinLothar | as oppossed to shaman who can only do 1 and only to their grp |
| 19:52.41 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Green Wing is truly amazingly funny |
| 19:53.40 | End | technically shaman can do 4 (and only 4) to their own group, for the 4 different totem types |
| 19:53.55 | grimman | I thought they applied to the whole raid. |
| 19:53.57 | End | although, fire totem is pretty useless I think |
| 19:54.28 | grimman | As a raider they may not be the best class, but for pretty much everything else they're excellent, no? |
| 19:54.29 | AnduinLothar | 4 at the same time? |
| 19:54.37 | End | 4 different totem types |
| 19:54.42 | grimman | AnduinLothar: Afaik, yes. |
| 19:54.42 | End | earth wind fire water |
| 19:54.43 | AnduinLothar | mk |
| 19:55.15 | AnduinLothar | well from my roomie who plays horde I always hear the horde whining that alliance is easy mode |
| 19:55.42 | End | well, paladins -are- better buffers |
| 19:55.46 | grimman | Same goes for alliance here... ;P |
| 19:56.33 | Tain | Alliance is easy mode. |
| 19:56.42 | Gryphen | Horde is easy mode. |
| 19:56.45 | Tain | Horde is harder across the board. |
| 19:56.59 | AnduinLothar | but then, we have a pallie that just got hand of rag... he was out-damaging mages before he got it, when he was using unstoppable |
| 19:57.01 | End | I think Horde has an advantage at pvp, and alliance has an advantage at pve |
| 19:57.31 | Tain | Yeah I'm talking pve only, pvp is definitely a whole different animal. |
| 19:57.41 | AnduinLothar | so... if you play long enough and in the right groups and farm the gear... you can do pretty muchw hatever as a pally |
| 19:58.28 | AnduinLothar | and plate crit/agil gear is very slim... mostly fury warrior stuff with zero agil |
| 19:58.35 | AnduinLothar | er, zero intel |
| 19:59.24 | AnduinLothar | there's like 3 plate crit belts in existance. one a quest reward i sold before i started collecting, one AB honored and one a purple from bwl |
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| 20:00.12 | AnduinLothar | and crit plate chests there's like 3... revered in AV, SoulForge and zandalar |
| 20:00.29 | Cairenn | Legorol: you around luv? |
| 20:00.41 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 20:01.22 | Cairenn | hey And :) |
| 20:02.19 | AnduinLothar | wonder how they could make wsg more ballenced... as it is the horde seem to always win.. |
| 20:07.56 | krka | cair and lego... i knew it! |
| 20:08.01 | krka | just a matter of time before one of them slipped up |
| 20:08.15 | Kirkburn|Greeen | hehe |
| 20:09.10 | Cairenn | krka, sweetheart, how can you say any such thing?! *sobs* |
| 20:09.20 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Isn't that insulting to Legorol? |
| 20:09.26 | Cairenn | HEY! |
| 20:09.31 | Kirkburn|Greeen | :P |
| 20:09.39 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 20:10.30 | krka | and iriel wandering off right now... suspicous |
| 20:10.36 | krka | may be more to this than i expectedf |
| 20:10.44 | Kirkburn|Greeen | lol |
| 20:11.08 | grimman | Ugh @ mail provider. They "upgraded" their web interface, but I can't open the mails in Firefox and I can't download attachments in Opera. |
| 20:11.12 | grimman | That leaves no alternatives. |
| 20:12.38 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Riiiight |
| 20:12.53 | neko | grimman: haha |
| 20:13.03 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Hey, what happened 7 millenia 6 centuries 0 decades 7 years 10 months ago? |
| 20:14.04 | grimman | It rained. |
| 20:14.48 | Kirkburn|Greeen | That's odd that it doesn't work in FF or Opera ... try with Bon Echo? |
| 20:16.03 | grimman | I guess I could, but I won't. ,P |
| 20:16.35 | grimman | Afaik the actual engine is the same so it wouldn't make any difference even if I had time to try it. |
| 20:16.48 | grimman | But yes, it's very odd. |
| 20:16.51 | grimman | And frustrating. |
| 20:17.17 | grimman | Oh... idea! I can forward my mails and abandon that bleepy provider! ^^ |
| 20:20.15 | End | I think the best part is if you tried with something like lynx and it worked perfectly ;p |
| 20:20.37 | grimman | omg, hahah, this is just insane. |
| 20:20.44 | End | (for some reason I doubt it though) |
| 20:20.45 | Kirkburn|Greeen | ? |
| 20:20.46 | grimman | There's no forward feature! |
| 20:20.50 | End | ouch |
| 20:24.22 | grimman | *twitch* Now it worked in Firefox. I'm going to bed, this is going to give me an aneurysm. |
| 20:25.02 | End | o_O |
| 20:26.48 | wereHamster | grimman, did you try links or lynx ? |
| 20:27.52 | End | I suggested lynx already, because lynx is less advanced than links :P |
| 20:28.54 | grimman | wereHamster: I didn't... I don't have it installed. ;P |
| 20:31.33 | Maldivia | *grumble* Winter's Chill is 1%, 10 stacks... |
| 20:35.42 | Kirkburn|Greeen | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/insider/07/anatomy.html |
| 20:36.01 | Kirkburn|Greeen | The Strogg have invaded :P |
| 20:36.43 | End | wow, that does look like the strogg |
| 20:37.03 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Oooh, gotta love Tseric ... http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/8363752.htm |
| 20:38.03 | End | lol |
| 20:39.50 | grimman | Cairenn: Before I leave for bed, are you in any way involved in the WoWi website/RSS feed coding or such? |
| 20:40.10 | Cairenn | nope, that's Dolby's baby |
| 20:40.43 | grimman | Alright... I guess I'll have to take my whining to him then. ;D |
| 20:40.56 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18 |
| 20:42.06 | grimman | Ah, nice... I may have to check the forums out a bit more. ;P |
| 20:43.26 | grimman | Will have to write a post about it later, time for bed now. Nn everyone. /bye |
| 20:43.34 | Cairenn | night grimman |
| 20:48.33 | Kalroth | Cide: You once had a link to a sexy healer calc? :) |
| 20:48.45 | Cide | http://www.ctmod.net/calculator.ct |
| 20:48.51 | Kalroth | *uNF* |
| 20:49.37 | End | oh |
| 20:49.42 | End | that's neat, Cide |
| 20:50.55 | End | oh good, it shows many different ranks of HT |
| 20:51.21 | Cide | :) |
| 20:51.57 | Kalroth | need a tooltop for the two FSR inputs, I keep forgetting them |
| 20:52.01 | Kalroth | and people keep asking me :P |
| 20:52.05 | Kalroth | tooltip* |
| 20:53.40 | Cide | bah, it's self explanitory :P |
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| 20:55.23 | Shouryuu | boo |
| 20:55.26 | Cairenn | eek |
| 20:56.01 | Shouryuu | I usualy have that effect on women |
| 20:56.01 | wereHamster | Cide, this is what I get: http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/screenshot2.png |
| 20:56.27 | [MoonWolf] | pretty bad |
| 20:56.36 | MentalPower | question, in wow's Lua implementation, is the return value from time() (os.time()) portable across mac/windows systems? |
| 20:56.38 | Cide | must be because the window is too thin or something |
| 20:56.45 | Cide | but I'll see if I can fix it |
| 20:56.53 | Cide | I fail at designing stuff most of the time |
| 20:57.10 | wereHamster | Cide, I have 1280x1024 resolution.. |
| 20:57.27 | Cide | me too, and it works! |
| 20:57.38 | End | I get that too actually |
| 20:57.53 | Kalroth | %Time in FSR is 15 for 3/8 prophet bonus or? |
| 20:57.54 | Cide | I should decrease the font on the headers |
| 20:58.01 | Cide | 3/8 transcendence bonus |
| 20:58.06 | Cide | but no |
| 20:58.07 | wereHamster | Cide, you have smaller borders, because incresing width by just a couple of pixels fixes it |
| 20:58.11 | Kalroth | what was the 30 point then? |
| 20:58.24 | Cide | %Regen in FSR = 3/8 Transcendence bonus |
| 20:58.29 | Kalroth | oh :p |
| 20:58.30 | Cide | so is Meditation |
| 20:58.39 | Cide | 3/8 Trans + Meditation 3/3 = 30% Regen in FSR |
| 20:59.00 | Kalroth | thanks :) |
| 20:59.13 | Cide | wereHamster: thanks, I'll see what I can do |
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| 21:04.12 | Kalroth | Cide: need more variables; mana potion every 2 mins, etc. :P |
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| 21:05.38 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Heh, this is cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCxmuuc4JIk |
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| 21:12.47 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Two new screenshots: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/screenshots.html |
| 21:13.15 | Maldivia | MentalPower: should be, it's just returns a standard unix timestamp (seconds since epoch) |
| 21:15.25 | Gngsk | Is there an item bonus type deal that doesn't require titan or fubar? |
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| 21:23.32 | Wobin_ | Gngsk: I thought the original Itembonus was just a library |
| 21:24.50 | Gngsk | it's BonusScanner |
| 21:24.56 | Gngsk | the library |
| 21:25.04 | Gngsk | all I can find are the titan panel plugin and the fubar plugin |
| 21:26.04 | Elkano | btw: wobin, I had a nil error with reverse engineering today :/ line 32... though it seems like it isn't your fault. :/ |
| 21:26.42 | Wobin_ | a nil error? |
| 21:26.43 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 21:26.52 | Wobin_ | What are you using it in conjunction with? |
| 21:29.46 | Elkano | lot's of mods but the error hasn't happend before... for some unknown reason GetTradeSkillItemLink returned nil once as it seems :/ |
| 21:30.15 | Wobin_ | hm what version are you using? |
| 21:30.20 | Elkano | svn |
| 21:30.28 | Wobin_ | k |
| 21:30.39 | Wobin_ | And it's not supposed to do that =P |
| 21:30.42 | Wobin_ | (return nil that is) |
| 21:30.47 | Wobin_ | But I'll drop in a check |
| 21:31.22 | Elkano | was it 'x or ""' or 'x and ""' ? |
| 21:32.23 | Wobin_ | for a logical short circuit? |
| 21:32.28 | Wobin_ | or |
| 21:34.03 | Elkano | meant as a 'fix' to those nil errors with find |
| 21:34.22 | Elkano | or will that only work with 0 and 1? |
| 21:35.45 | Wobin_ | oh |
| 21:36.02 | Wobin_ | I just threw in a check beforehand, but that's possibly more efficient |
| 21:39.58 | Wobin_ | I hope noone's hooking GetTradeSkillItemLink =P |
| 21:40.15 | Wobin_ | Or rather I hope noone is badly hooking GetTradeSillItemLink |
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| 21:43.40 | Shouryuu | "Can I get the monster in cornflower blue?" Which movie? |
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| 21:44.36 | ckknight | hey al |
| 21:44.38 | ckknight | all* |
| 21:44.46 | Shouryuu | Hello |
| 21:46.06 | Elkano | wobin, only found calls in my addons |
| 21:47.41 | Wobin_ | Elkano: Shenme? |
| 21:47.54 | Wobin_ | Shouryuu: Monsters Inc? |
| 21:48.05 | Elkano | shenme? |
| 21:48.19 | Wobin_ | Sorry =) |
| 21:48.20 | Shouryuu | Wobin_ Fight Club, but nice try... |
| 21:48.22 | Wobin_ | What? |
| 21:48.37 | Wobin_ | (in chinese =P) |
| 21:49.16 | Elkano | ah :) was related to hooking GetTradeSkillItemLink |
| 21:49.25 | Wobin_ | ah =) |
| 21:56.42 | JoshBorke | so apparently events aren't fired as often as i thought? PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED doesn't seem to fire when I drop from a group or when I initially join a raid group :-( |
| 22:00.51 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Woah, the Scrubs season finale just had a totally unexpected ending |
| 22:01.05 | Shouryuu | O RLY? |
| 22:01.11 | Kirkburn|Greeen | YA RLY |
| 22:01.20 | Shouryuu | weeeeeeeee |
| 22:01.25 | Wobin_ | NO WAI |
| 22:01.26 | Kirkburn|Greeen | nub |
| 22:02.14 | Kirkburn|Greeen | I dare not paste the ASCII pic lest I be banned from this channel for ever more |
| 22:02.37 | Shouryuu | Quoth the raven "Nevermore" |
| 22:02.42 | Shouryuu | sorry |
| 22:02.47 | Shouryuu | Don't know why I said that |
| 22:02.47 | Kirkburn|Greeen | :) |
| 22:02.59 | ForgottenLords | I was thinking along the same general lines... |
| 22:03.03 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Yes you do. Weirdo. |
| 22:03.41 | Wobin_ | Goddamnit |
| 22:03.51 | Wobin_ | Why can I -never- remember the first line to Jabberwocky? |
| 22:03.52 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Anyone hungry? I'm serving noobcakes |
| 22:03.53 | Wobin_ | oh yes |
| 22:03.59 | Wobin_ | Twas brillig and the slithey toves =) |
| 22:04.11 | Kirkburn|Greeen | did gimble in the wade |
| 22:04.21 | Shouryuu | Once upon a midninght dreary, while I pondered weak and weary... |
| 22:04.24 | Wobin_ | did gyre and gimble in the wabe |
| 22:04.34 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Yes, well, I've never seen Jabberwocky |
| 22:04.40 | Shouryuu | Me neither |
| 22:04.47 | Shouryuu | I'm having fun trying to leanr john Donne |
| 22:04.48 | Wobin_ | ... it's from a book =P |
| 22:04.51 | Kirkburn|Greeen | I mean, read |
| 22:05.01 | Wobin_ | Oh Donne =P |
| 22:05.01 | Shouryuu | But learning poetry with 3 hours of sleep is hard |
| 22:05.08 | Shouryuu | Donne rocks |
| 22:05.11 | Wobin_ | I can't remember -any- of his poems anymore =p |
| 22:05.19 | Wobin_ | except maybe something about lovers being a compass |
| 22:05.26 | Wobin_ | and the Sun |
| 22:05.54 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Nice and specific, like it |
| 22:06.05 | Wobin_ | It's Donne =P |
| 22:06.13 | Wobin_ | it's all about the symbology |
| 22:06.31 | Shouryuu | He is stark mad whoever says, That he hath been in love an hour, Yet not that love so soon decays, But that it can ten in less space devour. Who would believe me, if I swear, I have had the plague a year, Who would not laugh at me if I should say, I saw a flask of powder burn a day |
| 22:06.50 | Kirkburn|Greeen | You should go to a doctor, get that plague treated |
| 22:07.02 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:07.11 | Shouryuu | I need to learn the rest |
| 22:07.54 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Because being able to quote poems is useful in everyday life. (I wasn't a big fan of English literature classes) |
| 22:08.03 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:08.27 | Tain | Et tu Shouryuu? |
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| 22:08.39 | Shouryuu | Un peu? |
| 22:08.43 | Kirkburn|Greeen | How does one latinise shouryuu? |
| 22:08.51 | Kirkburn|Greeen | (send him to Italy?) |
| 22:08.55 | Shouryuu | one doesn't? |
| 22:09.01 | Kirkburn|Greeen | One must! |
| 22:09.06 | Shouryuu | One shouldn't! |
| 22:09.08 | Tain | Do you know how to make a Venetian blind? |
| 22:09.16 | Tain | Poke him in the eye! |
| 22:09.17 | Kirkburn|Greeen | One would! |
| 22:09.23 | Kirkburn|Greeen | hehe Tain |
| 22:09.32 | Shouryuu | One could'nst dare! |
| 22:09.40 | Kirkburn|Greeen | One mightst so! |
| 22:09.43 | Shouryuu | And two should stop spammin useless c*** |
| 22:09.46 | Wobin_ | Et Tu Shouruus? |
| 22:09.55 | Shouryuu | Shourium? |
| 22:10.02 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Sounds like a chemical |
| 22:10.04 | Wobin_ | Now you sound like an element |
| 22:10.08 | Kirkburn|Greeen | :) |
| 22:10.10 | Shouryuu | lol |
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| 22:10.27 | Tain | I have some ten molar Shourioric acid |
| 22:10.31 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:10.37 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Stop stealing teeth, Tain |
| 22:10.51 | Shouryuu | I need to find something to do for the next 6 hours |
| 22:10.52 | Tain | But I have a thing going on with the tooth fairy. |
| 22:11.16 | Shouryuu | Kirkburn|Greeen I just got that pun.... :P |
| 22:11.16 | JoshBorke | blizzard should keep the test servers up all the time :-( |
| 22:11.31 | Kirkburn|Greeen | So all the annoying 60 wannabes can go live on them? |
| 22:11.55 | JoshBorke | that and so i can have pre-made 60 toons that i can test with |
| 22:12.01 | Wobin_ | Hey Elkano you about? |
| 22:12.28 | Kirkburn|Greeen | JoshBorke, you must work for your prize! Bah humbug :) |
| 22:13.01 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Damn communists, wanting everyone to be equal ... |
| 22:13.13 | Shouryuu | That isn't communist. |
| 22:13.56 | Shouryuu | But let's not tread into that debate |
| 22:13.56 | Kirkburn|Greeen | What isn't? Equality? |
| 22:14.42 | Shouryuu | Not needing to work for your "prize" |
| 22:15.25 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:16.08 | Shouryuu | Has anyone here just not wanted to sleep. I mean being dead tired but just thinking real hard "I don't want to sleep"? |
| 22:17.01 | zenzio | all the time |
| 22:17.14 | Shouryuu | While not having WoW |
| 22:17.24 | Kirkburn|Greeen | More mage changes! http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-mage/969018.htm |
| 22:17.35 | zenzio | yes, whether or not I was playing MMOs |
| 22:18.28 | Shouryuu | The thought of going back to school tomorow prevents me from wanting to go to sleep |
| 22:27.37 | Shouryuu | Kirkburn|Greeen I need more links like banableoffence.com |
| 22:27.46 | Shouryuu | Feeeed me |
| 22:29.58 | JoshBorke | hm, do new addons have to have a picture? |
| 22:30.22 | JoshBorke | on wowinterface that is :-) |
| 22:30.37 | Cairenn | we prefer that *all* mods have pictures |
| 22:30.38 | Shouryuu | Yup |
| 22:30.50 | Cairenn | users don't like it when there aren't pictures |
| 22:30.55 | JoshBorke | true |
| 22:33.27 | Shouryuu | and lazy authors who *should* put up a screenie but don't, end up putting one :P |
| 22:33.47 | JoshBorke | yea, i'm getting one now for my new mod |
| 22:35.31 | JoshBorke | ( Cairenn ): if you accept my new mod, i can put pictures with it :-D |
| 22:36.21 | Cairenn | edit away |
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| 22:37.38 | JoshBorke | danke :-) pictures made, night all |
| 22:37.47 | Cairenn | night JoshBorke |
| 22:38.04 | AnduinLothar | moo |
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| 22:39.54 | AnduinLothar | something about the whole female tier 3 "my bellybutton is showing" on super high defence plate armor doesn't make sense to me.. |
| 22:40.05 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:40.52 | AnduinLothar | i mean the chest has >1k armor... |
| 22:41.25 | AnduinLothar | the only thing i can think of is it contributes the 1% crit strike by distracting the enemy.. |
| 22:41.33 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 22:42.01 | AnduinLothar | but it really doesn't makes sense with the +31 intelegence.. |
| 22:43.04 | AnduinLothar | i love the mini glossy wings on the priest set tho |
| 22:43.46 | AnduinLothar | they need to make more icons for tier 3 tho.. |
| 22:43.58 | AnduinLothar | they're all reused |
| 22:44.12 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 22:45.12 | Kirkburn|Greeen | I've been wondering why one of my best friends from school never answered by msgs - seems she'd changed number |
| 22:45.33 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Fortunately I just found it out 15 mins before her 21st birthday ended :/ |
| 22:46.06 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 22:47.56 | Shouryuu | anyone have any advice as to were I could fine myself a life? |
| 22:48.14 | Shouryuu | Wallmart is not an option |
| 22:52.12 | Tain | Walmart devours lives, not sells them. |
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| 22:53.12 | Shouryuu | I need an occupation for the next 5-6 hours |
| 22:53.22 | Shouryuu | WoW is not an option |
| 22:53.43 | snurre | do as me, check out eve |
| 22:53.56 | Shouryuu | eve? |
| 22:54.09 | snurre | http://eve-online.com/ |
| 22:54.19 | Wobin_ | oh yeah |
| 22:54.23 | Wobin_ | eve'll keep you occupied |
| 22:54.34 | Tain | I'm training skills as I speak! |
| 22:55.18 | Shouryuu | I'll just watch "Yes Minister" for a bit |
| 22:56.21 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Christ I'm stupid. It wasn't my friend's birthday at all |
| 22:56.30 | Shouryuu | looool |
| 22:56.34 | Kirkburn|Greeen | I feel somewhat dumb |
| 22:56.54 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Her birthday was back in march - it's quite possible I didn't send her a birthday msg then |
| 22:57.17 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Er, so my excuse is I only have her new number now and it's a belated Happy Birthday. Hopefully that works :) |
| 22:59.02 | zenzio | just say you sent it to the wrong person |
| 22:59.19 | End | just mumble |
| 22:59.23 | End | that's what I always do |
| 22:59.35 | Shouryuu | how do you mumble in a text message? |
| 22:59.51 | End | ummm...very carefully? |
| 22:59.53 | Tain | *mumble* |
| 23:00.12 | Kirkburn|Greeen | <zenzio> just say you sent it to the wrong person <--- doesn't work if you only have one friend called 'Zoe' |
| 23:00.14 | Kirkburn|Greeen | :P |
| 23:00.16 | Shouryuu | I need to make sure I understand what mumble means |
| 23:00.38 | zenzio | how would she know? :-o |
| 23:00.57 | End | magic |
| 23:00.59 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Dammit, I didn't actually say her name in the first msg ... DAMMIT |
| 23:01.09 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:01.20 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Lol, I even wrote "I hope I'm not too late" |
| 23:01.21 | Wobin_ | mumble means when you don't speak clearly and what comes out is completely non-understandable |
| 23:01.25 | Tain | Sounds to me like much ado about nothing. |
| 23:02.08 | Kirkburn|Greeen | I haven't spoken to her for a looong time - partly cause she didn't reply to my msgs. Evidently cause I sent them to the wrong number :/ |
| 23:02.17 | Shouryuu | Wobin_ Yup, that's why mumbling in a text message seemed hard |
| 23:02.49 | Wobin_ | You could say I was smsing in the dark and held the phone upside down |
| 23:02.55 | Kirkburn|Greeen | :D |
| 23:02.55 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:02.56 | End | Well, you could be really bad at typing... |
| 23:03.06 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Bah, I'll fone her 2moro |
| 23:03.15 | End | nooo, do it now |
| 23:03.19 | End | or you'll never do it |
| 23:03.28 | Kirkburn|Greeen | It's gone midnight in the UK! |
| 23:03.36 | Shouryuu | Aye |
| 23:03.41 | End | that shouldn't be any excuse |
| 23:04.10 | End | ...should it? |
| 23:04.49 | Kirkburn|Greeen | I'd rather not wake someone if they're having exams the next day |
| 23:04.57 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Which is entirely possible |
| 23:05.34 | Kirkburn|Greeen | Not that I'd know, since I've not spoken to her for about 9 months |
| 23:05.43 | Wobin_ | You're a sucky friend =( |
| 23:05.54 | Kirkburn|Greeen | I tried sending her msgs! She never replied! |
| 23:06.18 | Kirkburn|Greeen | She should have told me she had a new number :( |
| 23:06.26 | End | sure, blame it on her |
| 23:06.32 | Kirkburn|Greeen | :D Best way. |
| 23:06.40 | End | lol |
| 23:07.05 | Kirkburn|Greeen | I'm gonna comfort myself with some more Green Wing |
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| 23:22.01 | Iriel | I said i'd be back 8-) |
| 23:22.18 | Cairenn | meep |
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| 23:30.30 | Shouryuu | night folks |
| 23:35.12 | cladhaire | ZOMG top chef finale tonight |
| 23:37.27 | Parak | ;o |
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| 23:48.20 | norganna | hello |
| 23:48.27 | norganna | i need help :P |
| 23:48.44 | Cairenn | hey norganna |
| 23:49.19 | norganna | hi cairenn! |
| 23:49.39 | Cairenn | if I can, I'll help, but if it's coding ... |
| 23:50.40 | AnduinLothar | i need help too, but i dont think it's availible |
| 23:51.20 | norganna | maybe someone smart can tell me... you know when you visit a npc, and they are called "Balthus Stoneflayer <Skinning Trainer>"... does anyone know how to get the second part (the <Skinning Trainer>) part? (And yes I know I could scan the tooltip... but i would prefer not to. |
| 23:54.57 | Tain | norganna's question was so hard it made qw` explode. :( |
| 23:55.04 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:55.21 | AnduinLothar | you can scan the tooltip.. |
| 23:55.25 | norganna | :) |
| 23:55.35 | AnduinLothar | that's about it akaik |
| 23:56.24 | norganna | tooltip scanning's so dirty |
| 23:56.40 | Tain | It is. |
| 23:58.10 | AnduinLothar | so... who's gonna make the global CraftAble database once I get Sky embedable? |
| 23:59.04 | AnduinLothar | need an addon to request on the Sky channel for people that can craft/smelt/make X |
| 23:59.30 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 23:59.53 | AnduinLothar | beats advertizing imo |
| 23:59.53 | norganna | oh well... i gotta go to work... i hope qw recovers |
