00:02.42 | JoshBorke | wb Cairenn |
00:02.46 | Cairenn | thanks |
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00:35.01 | Kaelten | hows it going guys? |
00:38.09 | Cairenn | man, can you ever tell that we're hosting a play-offs game in town this evening ... it's like someone went out and rolled up the sidewalks |
00:38.15 | Cairenn | everyone's out at the arena |
00:40.02 | Kalroth | Any good looking chicks out there?! |
00:40.15 | Cairenn | no idea, I'm not there, obviously |
00:40.18 | Kalroth | oh |
00:40.27 | Kalroth | Well you probably don't have a camera anyways |
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00:51.54 | Esamynn | Evening all |
00:52.13 | Cairenn | hi Esamynn |
00:58.40 | KarlKFI | meh, done |
00:58.45 | KarlKFI | stupid compiler |
00:59.23 | KarlKFI | peace peeps! I'm out to pay respects to the matriarch |
00:59.46 | Cairenn | later KarlKFI |
01:02.07 | Esamynn | ok question, anyone know what the cache.md5 file is for exactly? |
01:06.38 | Esamynn | anybody? |
01:07.01 | Kirkburn | Where is it? |
01:07.49 | Cide | hmm, is anyone here playing a druid (or someone with decent knowledge of the druid talents)? |
01:08.01 | Esamynn | it's in the root of each account WTF folder |
01:08.06 | Esamynn | I do Cide |
01:08.29 | Cide | druids have two talents that reduce the mana cost for healing touch; tranquil spirit & moonglow |
01:08.36 | Cide | I'm wondering, are they multiplicative or additive? |
01:08.49 | Kirkburn | Not sure Esamynn ... anyways, I'm off to bed! Night night everybody |
01:09.05 | Esamynn | I don't know, it would be VERY unusual to have both, but most talents like that are additive |
01:09.18 | Cide | oh? I thought most talents like that were multiplicative |
01:09.32 | Cide | well yeah, but this is kind of theoretical so it must be correct |
01:09.45 | Esamynn | what do you mean by multiplicative? |
01:09.51 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn |
01:09.51 | Cide | as in.. |
01:09.57 | Esamynn | night Kirkburn |
01:10.05 | Kirkburn | night =) |
01:10.05 | Cide | manaCost = baseManaCost*0.9*0.91 for having both |
01:10.28 | Cide | as opposed to manaCost = baseManaCost*(1-0.1-0.09) |
01:10.49 | Esamynn | hmm, I was under the impression that talents like that were the latter |
01:10.58 | Cide | I don't know, honestly |
01:11.09 | Cide | priests only have one manacost reducing talent |
01:11.30 | Cide | for increased healing & damage it's multiplicative as far as I know |
01:12.13 | Cide | well, another druid said he "thought" it was additive too, so I'm going to go with that for now.. thanks! |
01:12.29 | Esamynn | hmm, I thought talents were alway additive with each other, just not always with other affects |
01:12.44 | Esamynn | not something I have ever tested though |
01:12.47 | Cide | priest damage increasing talents are definitely multiplicative |
01:12.54 | Esamynn | interesting |
01:13.18 | Cide | and also calculated AFTER +dmg for the most part |
01:13.24 | Esamynn | oh! |
01:13.26 | Cide | as opposed to our healing talents, which are BEFORE |
01:13.30 | Cide | (which makes me sad) |
01:13.43 | Esamynn | sigh, so much for consistency |
01:13.49 | Cide | indeed |
01:14.06 | Cide | the consistency for different stats are also nice |
01:14.28 | Cide | for parsing the random property (ie items that can have random properties) database for ctprofiles |
01:14.44 | Cide | I found a total of 9 different ways they have described +spell damage to a specific school |
01:15.00 | Esamynn | sigh, i'm trying to put my saved variables under version control because i'm tired of regretting the loss of data from a couple backups ago, but I don't know what this silly cache.md5 file is for :( |
01:15.14 | Cide | "+X Arcane Spells", "Arcane Spells +X", "Increased Arcane Spells +9" etc |
01:15.24 | Esamynn | hehehe |
01:15.41 | Esamynn | I'll bet that drove the person who wrote BonusScanner nuts! |
01:16.00 | Cide | I bet |
01:16.03 | Cide | it's easier to parse it in PHP |
01:17.28 | Esamynn | oh, I know what else I was going to ask you Cide, why is the setting for the CTRA comunication channel global instead of per character? |
01:17.55 | Cide | because I wrote it before that existed :) |
01:18.04 | Cide | but you're right, I should change it |
01:19.04 | Cide | argh. |
01:19.17 | Cide | I'm writing this calculator and it's becoming more and more hardcoded the more talents I add in |
01:19.31 | Esamynn | hehehe |
01:20.03 | Esamynn | you mean how each talent interacts with other ones that do similar things? |
01:20.10 | Esamynn | or the talent data itself? |
01:20.13 | Cide | well |
01:20.19 | Cide | I need to add in innervate |
01:20.40 | Cide | but at the point where I calculate the talents, I have already defined the variables that it will modify |
01:20.51 | Esamynn | heh, I wouldn't worry about Innervate, its a core ability in 1.11 |
01:21.00 | Cide | yes, but it's still a part of the calculation |
01:21.05 | Esamynn | ahh ok |
01:21.16 | Esamynn | I thought it was talent specific |
01:21.42 | Cide | well, I'm adding it in for druids just for fun |
01:21.55 | Esamynn | what does the calculator do? |
01:22.02 | Cide | so they can see what their efficiency looks like if they wanted to cast innervate on themselves every 6m |
01:22.13 | Cide | http://81.226.233.5/healingtest.php |
01:22.20 | Cide | easier to show than to describe :) |
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01:24.54 | Esamynn | intersting |
01:25.20 | Esamynn | very neat |
01:25.42 | Cide | it's not done yet, but it's showing some interesting results already |
01:26.04 | Esamynn | but anyways, if the data is becoming hard coded, I would suggest you take a break and devise a data structure that will fit your needs |
01:26.37 | Cide | it basically tells you how high damage healed/sec you can output without running out of mana during the fight |
01:27.12 | Wobin_ | FSR? |
01:27.23 | Cide | five second rule |
01:27.41 | Wobin_ | aha |
01:28.05 | Esamynn | hmm, anyone know if Stormrage 3 pecie set bonus stacks with Reflection |
01:28.17 | Esamynn | I mean in what way does it stack |
01:28.19 | Wobin_ | How do you determine the amount of time in FSR? |
01:28.20 | Cide | additively |
01:28.28 | Cide | through the use of addons :) |
01:28.40 | Cide | generally, it's about 50% (for priests, anyhow) |
01:28.41 | Esamynn | great, I thought I remembered that being the case :) |
01:28.51 | Esamynn | Parse error: parse error, unexpected '}' in c:\program\apache group\apache\htdocs\healingtest.php on line 624 !! |
01:29.05 | Cide | should be fixed now :) |
01:29.23 | Cide | that's my web server and I'm a saveaholic |
01:29.48 | Wobin_ | "Hi, I'm Cide, and it's been 3 years since my last save..." |
01:29.55 | Cide | haha |
01:30.25 | Miravlix_ | Get an editor with autosave. :p |
01:30.35 | Cide | that would piss me off |
01:30.45 | Cide | sometimes I don't want to save :P |
01:30.49 | Miravlix_ | I can work on files for days in emacs before I save |
01:31.00 | Cide | oh, you mean save state if you close it? |
01:31.02 | Esamynn | tell me you at least use a version control repository! :) |
01:31.04 | Miravlix_ | Well, get a real editor that don't autosave to the real file |
01:31.30 | Iriel | Emacs does autosaves every so often |
01:31.37 | Iriel | and backs up the file in its state before you started to change it |
01:31.46 | Miravlix_ | But it does it to a #filename# file |
01:31.59 | Miravlix_ | So the real file only gets updated when you do a real save |
01:32.10 | Esamynn | thinks* |
01:32.24 | Miravlix_ | That way you still have the full control over when to update your scripts |
01:32.28 | Cide | Esamynn: innervate "Increases the target's mana regeneration by 400%", so it's in reality manaRegen*5, I take it? |
01:32.54 | Esamynn | yes, that is my understanding (I haven't actually tested it) |
01:33.04 | Cide | ok, this should work then |
01:33.06 | Esamynn | not enough to be 100% sure anyways |
01:33.16 | Cide | less hardcoding than I thought, but this page is still pretty ugly-looking |
01:33.22 | Iriel | How do 'increases X by Y%' things stack? Do the Y's just get added together? |
01:33.29 | Cide | depends |
01:33.50 | Cide | +damage talents are added multiplicatively after +dmg is calculated |
01:34.00 | Cide | +healing talents are added multiplicatively before +healing is calculated |
01:34.18 | Cide | -mana talents are added additively (according to my two test subjects) |
01:34.46 | Esamynn | Cide: i'll test that on the test server when it comes back up |
01:34.58 | Cide | increases mana regen while casting by Y% are added additively |
01:37.00 | Cide | sweet, Esamynn :) |
01:42.51 | netcurse | Hi there, i m looking for some USA hosting service, any americans could help me ? |
01:42.58 | netcurse | dedicated server with hight bandwitch |
01:43.08 | Iriel | Do you need root? |
01:43.18 | netcurse | Ya |
01:43.26 | Iriel | You may try cihost, I host with them |
01:43.33 | netcurse | Any url please ? |
01:43.55 | Iriel | http://www.cihost.com/ |
01:45.08 | Iriel | Seemed like a fun thing to do |
01:45.10 | Esamynn | lol |
01:45.14 | Cairenn | heh |
01:45.30 | netcurse | Iriel they don t do unlimited trafic ? |
01:45.45 | Iriel | Not for their dedicated services, as far as I know |
01:45.56 | netcurse | Allright i will call them |
01:45.59 | netcurse | to see :p |
01:46.10 | Esamynn | hmm, I want to back up my AddOns directory, and sync it between a couple of computers, anyone think an SVN repository is going overboard? ;) |
01:46.28 | Cairenn | rofl Esamynn |
01:46.32 | Esamynn | haha |
01:46.44 | Cairenn | not that we're too much of a geek, now are we? *chuckles* |
01:46.56 | Esamynn | actually, i'm seriously considering it, because I already have the server setup :P |
01:47.05 | Iriel | You may want to look at pair.net too, but I dont think they offer root |
01:47.11 | Iriel | Esamynn : not at all |
01:47.45 | Esamynn | well, i'm glad you agree because I already did it ;) |
01:47.56 | Iriel | I use SVN for all manner of random things |
01:48.59 | Esamynn | yah, I just recently got around to setting up my own repository server :) |
01:49.11 | Esamynn | I'm wondering what took me so long |
01:49.59 | Iriel | Are you using svn+ssh or http? |
01:50.21 | Esamynn | http atm, its safely behind my firewall for now |
01:50.44 | Iriel | I set up a repository server at work with https and ldap authentication against active directory |
01:51.05 | Esamynn | eeewww, active directory |
01:51.06 | Iriel | so https://server/svn/<reponame>/ is the root of each repository |
01:51.16 | Esamynn | but still, nice :) |
01:51.19 | Iriel | Hey, it's great, it means I dont have to add a new unix account for each developer |
01:51.41 | Esamynn | I'm an AD hater ;) |
01:51.43 | Iriel | I was very impressed with the apache svn folks |
01:51.51 | Iriel | I dont like AD overmuch, but LDAP is nifty |
01:51.57 | Esamynn | definately |
01:52.58 | Wobin_ | Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_BREAK, expecting ')' in c:\program\apache group\apache\htdocs\healingtest.php on line 552 |
01:53.00 | Wobin_ | =( |
01:54.06 | Wobin_ | all better |
01:54.20 | Wobin_ | Interesting. My healing dps drops when I select the PI |
01:55.59 | Esamynn | Iriel: maybe you can answer this, any idea what the cache.md5 file is for in each WTF/<account> directory? |
01:57.01 | Iriel | My guess is for synchronization between client and server to see if it needs to pull data down at startup |
01:58.12 | Iriel | For example, one of the entries is the md5sum of your macros-cache.txt file |
01:59.22 | Esamynn | I didn't think any of the settings in the WTF were stored on the server |
01:59.40 | Iriel | I'm not sure any are today, but that's always been the eventual goal for some of them |
02:00.01 | Esamynn | ahh, so it might just be a step towards that at the moment |
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02:02.08 | Cide | Wobin_: hm? |
02:02.32 | Cide | oh, I think I found a bug |
02:02.33 | Cide | try now |
02:02.35 | Wobin_ | Cide: I dunno, I lose about 5 dps if I check the PI |
02:02.56 | Wobin_ | Goes up now =) |
02:03.04 | Cide | there we go |
02:03.11 | Wobin_ | So. I think I can pull off 167dps healing =P |
02:03.16 | Cide | everything is in now |
02:03.22 | Cide | all talents, all healing classes |
02:03.26 | Wobin_ | Since I don't have GH5 |
02:03.49 | Cide | with my talents & gear... |
02:03.49 | Wobin_ | And that's in my full regen set |
02:03.50 | Cide | Heal (R1) | Castable Every: 2.81 | Average Heal: 1094.6 | DPS Healed: 390.17 |
02:03.58 | Cide | that's the top DPS healed |
02:04.06 | Cide | over 10 minutes |
02:04.33 | netcurse | Sorry to re ask just making sure everyone saw : i m looking for a US hosting compagny that offer unlimited trafic 100 mb/s at least on dedicated server thank you for helping |
02:04.52 | Esamynn | well, i'm off, see you all later |
02:04.53 | Wobin_ | btw, did you have the +regen that says "Increases your normal health and mana generation by 5"? |
02:05.10 | Cide | "unlimited" traffic is rarely unlimited |
02:05.33 | netcurse | In france all hoster does unlimited trafic;*/ |
02:05.35 | Cide | and is usually something offered for low-scale solutions to people who will generally NEVER use up the bandwidth supplied |
02:05.50 | Cide | Wobin_: what do you mean? |
02:05.56 | Cide | shard of afrasa only works outside of combat, I believe |
02:06.13 | Wobin_ | hrm, yeah, 'normal' =) |
02:06.31 | Wobin_ | Since I'm not actively raiding, 6minutes is a heckofalong fight |
02:06.59 | Cide | 15 minutes is normal for a few fights for me :) |
02:08.29 | Wobin_ | oh, there's also the Blessed PRayer beads |
02:08.40 | Wobin_ | Not that I use them much anymore... |
02:08.52 | Wobin_ | but that's +190 for 20seconds |
02:09.00 | Cide | easiest way to add those in yourself |
02:09.07 | Cide | is to do +healing * duration/cooldown |
02:09.20 | Cide | and add that to your total +healing |
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03:30.26 | Codayus | netcurse: I know of some hosts that offer that. It's expensive as hell, obviously. |
03:30.57 | Codayus | netcurse: You're best bet is to visit http://www.webhostingtalk.com/ |
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03:40.10 | Codayus | [Cu]NeT: EV1 Servers (a midrange provider) for example offers 100 Mbps starting at $1995/month. That's about what you'll have to pay if you really want an umetered 100 Mbps connection. I'm not recommending EV1 - they're just a typical example. |
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12:55.46 | Kaelten | yesss? |
12:56.02 | Kaelten | hows it going guys? |
12:56.07 | Cairenn | morning Kaelten |
12:56.17 | Kaelten | gmorning Cairenn |
12:56.22 | Cairenn | it's morning, how do you *think* it's going? |
12:56.26 | Kaelten | you're up early :) |
12:56.46 | Kaelten | I'd make you coffee but I don't think I could get it too you before it'd go bad |
12:56.50 | Cairenn | stupid ass migraine, we're at the beginning of day # 4 no |
12:56.55 | Cairenn | now* |
12:57.11 | Kaelten | ouch |
12:57.23 | Kaelten | try taking some Feverfew (unless you already have) |
12:57.46 | Cairenn | I'll stay up for a little while, throw up some more, take some more meds and try to pass back out again in a bit |
12:59.58 | Kaelten | that sucks girl, I hope it ends soon |
13:05.33 | Kaelten | hows the weather? |
13:06.18 | Cairenn | weathering ... that's why I've got this stupid migraine |
13:06.35 | Kaelten | hmm, really? |
13:06.42 | Kaelten | weather induces your migraines? |
13:06.47 | zenzio | you're sensitive to the weather too? |
13:07.10 | Cairenn | barometric pressure changes |
13:07.29 | Cairenn | that's one of (and actually the main) my triggers |
13:08.07 | [Cu]NeT | Codayus thank you |
13:08.30 | Codayus | np |
13:08.47 | netcurse | US peering BW is more expensive than french transit bw |
13:08.50 | netcurse | that s silly :) |
13:09.08 | netcurse | you guys are 5 years late on this |
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13:27.10 | Kirkburn | Ciao! Btw, good news :) "Tempest Keep on Outland was an ancient Naaru Keep. It's a floating castle that has the ability to travel between dimensions using arcane magic. The Draenei, desperate for allies, managed to sieze a portion of Tempest Keep and use it to travel to Azeroth. So the "stolen technology" refers to the Blood Elves who stole Tempest Keep. So really the Blood Elves they hate are Kael'Thas' gang who stole the keep from them in the firs |
13:27.11 | Kirkburn | t place. And it's not a space ship. But it's all magic, so it's all good." |
13:30.26 | [MoonWolf] | see |
13:30.32 | [MoonWolf] | more information makes the lore much better. |
13:35.27 | Kirkburn | :) |
13:39.05 | Wobin_ | hurrah |
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13:48.21 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Tzxn8xVIE |
13:48.22 | Industrial | ahahahahahahahahahahahahah |
14:07.45 | Kirkburn | Outright lie of the month: Sony boss on the two PS3 models ... "What we should be clear about is that the functionality is identical in both machines. There is no difference in what the machine does." |
14:08.26 | Kirkburn | (I suppose I'll have to sign up tp youtube now :S ) |
14:09.05 | zenzio | which machines is he talking about? PS3 and Wii? |
14:09.39 | Kirkburn | "Sony boss on the two PS3 models"# |
14:10.12 | Kirkburn | (lol, yeah that's a disturbing vid Industrial ) |
14:10.44 | zenzio | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20060513.jpg |
14:10.47 | Wobin_ | Kirkburn: Nah, www.bugmenot.com |
14:11.09 | Kirkburn | Oh well, too late :) |
14:11.33 | Kirkburn | Added to favourites though, thanks Wobin_ |
14:11.45 | Wobin_ | np =) |
14:20.06 | Cairenn|afk | ... we check that site on a regular basis and block any accounts we find |
14:20.11 | Cairenn|afk | (for info) |
14:21.06 | Cairenn|afk | I would have to presume that other major sites are quite aware of it, check it, and block accounts from it, as well |
14:32.34 | Industrial | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/errors/before.jpg |
14:32.38 | Industrial | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/errors/drag.jpg |
14:32.41 | Industrial | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/errors/after.jpg |
14:32.44 | Industrial | wth is doing this |
14:33.02 | Industrial | the only addons im running are Ace and idActionBar |
14:33.23 | Industrial | (http://pastebin.com/716873) |
14:33.33 | krka | you should be more specific |
14:33.51 | Industrial | when i drag the alpha of the buttons on the bar goes to 50 |
14:34.08 | Industrial | when i place the action, all buttons without one go to alpha 0 |
14:36.12 | Industrial | im removing ace now |
14:41.45 | Industrial | wow, it still does it |
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14:43.31 | Industrial | maybe the action buttons just do that... |
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15:13.08 | Industrial | I have this wrapping frame, i used SetPoint with it to make it be under the buttons, but how do i move the frame (and the buttons with it, its their parent) around my screen now? |
15:13.12 | Industrial | http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/7442/wowscrnshot0514061709554eu.jpg |
15:13.15 | Industrial | i did a wrap:SetPoint('BOTTOM', UIParent, 'BOTTOM') and well.. it went to the bottom.. but now how i wanted lol :P |
15:17.26 | Cide | clear all points |
15:19.44 | Industrial | the wrap doesnt have a height, it has two points set to topleft and bottomright of the bar |
15:19.52 | Industrial | that changes as i add bars of buttons |
15:20.24 | Industrial | if i clear all points it will clear those points |
15:20.45 | Industrial | but i figure that i can use GetHeight of the buttons |
15:22.06 | Industrial | but thats.. weird :P |
15:27.07 | Industrial | yay almost working |
15:27.58 | Industrial | http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4278/wowscrnshot0514061727148yo.jpg |
15:32.56 | [MoonWolf] | those alliance and horde buttons are tre ugly |
15:48.33 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm - where is a good place to grind for money? |
15:48.52 | [MoonWolf] | depends on your lvl |
15:48.57 | [MoonWolf] | and your class |
15:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | 60 mage |
15:49.22 | [MoonWolf] | not a clue, never got to 60. |
15:49.31 | [MoonWolf] | my highest lvl is a 46 |
15:49.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm. |
15:51.55 | Codayus | ScytheBlade1: Lowbie instances, or anywhere you can find high level mobs. Lots of people farm Scarlet Monestary as an exampleof the former, or the ogres in Deadwind Pass as an example of the latter. |
15:52.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not well-enough geared to AoE all of SM, unfortunately |
15:53.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty much, if they're elite, I can't grind them fast enough |
15:53.29 | Codayus | Well, one approach is to pick some specifc item or type of item to farm. |
15:53.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Gold? ;) |
15:53.57 | [MoonWolf] | generic humanoids it is! |
15:54.19 | Codayus | More like a rare recipe that only drops from a single type of mob. (Example: The three wizardwave patterns.) |
15:54.48 | Codayus | Or you can make a surprising amount of money from clearing deadmines and selling all the wool on some servers. |
15:55.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh, Doomhammer. One of the original 10 beta servers, iirc. It's old :) |
15:55.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Wool = worthless |
15:55.29 | [MoonWolf] | not on old pvp servers |
15:55.34 | Codayus | Or a blue BoE at the right level can be worth a sickening amount to the WSG twinking crowd. |
15:55.35 | [MoonWolf] | twinks pay a lot for wool |
15:55.37 | [MoonWolf] | for bandages. |
15:56.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Good point |
15:56.12 | [MoonWolf] | yeah Deadmines blues can go for 25 gold or more at times. |
15:57.35 | Codayus | If your an enchanter, some classes can solo a boss in uldaman pretty fast to get BoP blues to DE. |
15:58.46 | Codayus | Or as a holy priest, I don't solo too well - I farm by duoing with a friendly warrior. We usually clear all of BRD up to the Chest of Seven. DI residue, DI ore, runecloth, random BoEs, Black Diamonds, and some rare recipe drops make it profitable. |
15:59.07 | Codayus | (Clearing the entire bar usually nets a surprising amount of gold.) |
16:00.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, a solo mage really only has one option: kill all four things at once then eat/drink. Else, die. |
16:00.27 | ScytheBlade1 | And, well, my option is usually "Die" due to lack of gear |
16:01.03 | Codayus | Well, you can look for easier fair until your gear improves, I guess... |
16:04.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey, here we go |
16:04.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Ruins of Andorhol |
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16:20.46 | Shouryuu | rawr |
16:21.27 | Shouryuu | I am so angry |
16:21.47 | Shouryuu | I've managed to put Windows back on my computer |
16:21.49 | [MoonWolf] | what about ? |
16:22.03 | Shouryuu | but I have this Kubuntu CD that just won't boot from my computer |
16:22.09 | Shouryuu | it works fine on 3 other computers |
16:22.11 | Shouryuu | but not mine! |
16:22.15 | Shouryuu | ;@ GGGrrrrrrr |
16:22.25 | zenzio | regular CD booting works? |
16:22.46 | zenzio | as in it's not disabled in the BIOS? |
16:23.06 | Shouryuu | no booting from CDs work, just not with this one |
16:23.17 | zenzio | :-/ |
16:23.18 | Miravlix_ | Ugh, that kind of problems suck |
16:23.36 | Shouryuu | lol |
16:24.05 | Shouryuu | Can I install an OS on an external HDD? |
16:25.19 | Industrial | if you can boot from it, yes |
16:25.49 | Shouryuu | Thought so... =( |
16:28.29 | Shouryuu | how do you send a message to a channel using SendChatMessage? |
16:29.04 | Shouryuu | just put in the name of the channel as second argument? |
16:33.58 | Cide | hmm. |
16:35.10 | Cide | I wonder what the best way of doing this is... I have an associative table, with the keys being members of a raid |
16:35.41 | Cide | I want to display them in the order they joined the raid (exact join time can be found with table[memberName].joinTime) |
16:36.53 | Cide | do you think it's better to convert the code to use integer indices, or should I sort it using a sort function when I need to display it? |
16:37.21 | Cide | downside with using integer indices is that it's more of a pain to find a specific member's index, given the member's name |
16:38.03 | krka | depends on how often it's used |
16:38.16 | krka | if it's used seldom: use integer indices |
16:38.24 | krka | if it's used often: use a lookup |
16:38.38 | krka | if it's not updated very often, use both |
16:39.14 | krka | i recommend using both |
16:39.15 | Cide | well, I'm not displaying it very often, so I wouldn't have to sort it that often |
16:39.26 | krka | keeping the hash table up to date is not very expensive |
16:39.46 | krka | shouldn't be much memory usage either |
16:40.07 | Cide | the table will become pretty huge after a while |
16:40.17 | krka | hmm, really? |
16:40.22 | krka | max 40 in a raid, right? |
16:40.22 | Cide | yes |
16:40.28 | Cide | it's for CT_RaidTracker |
16:40.36 | Cide | so it stores information for each raid, so 40*numRaids |
16:40.44 | Cide | including items looted |
16:40.53 | krka | ok, then here's my suggestion: |
16:41.17 | krka | sort the table when needed and display that |
16:41.30 | krka | and make that table weak |
16:41.35 | krka | so that it will get cleared on GC |
16:41.57 | krka | so: if the table is empty or out of date, rebuild it, otherwise just use it |
16:42.06 | krka | if that makes sense |
16:45.31 | Cide | hmm, maybe |
16:46.48 | krka | but it would probably be fine by just sorting on display |
16:46.53 | krka | won't take much time at all |
16:48.14 | Miravlix_ | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4953 is why having an open development community is sutch a good idea. There is always someone that thinks of something you have overlooked. |
16:51.52 | Cide | well, it would be smart to reuse a table |
16:52.05 | Cide | seeing as it has a scroll, it would lead to a lot of sorting if the user scrolls |
16:52.30 | krka | well yeah |
16:56.45 | Shouryuu | How would one pronouce "Lenore"? In 2 or 3 syllables? Le-nor or Le-a-nor? |
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16:58.53 | Shouryuu | Would it be Lee-nor or Le-nor, with a "le" ressembling the one in "le"ft for example? |
16:59.23 | Cide | personally, I would say the latter, but that's just me :) |
16:59.42 | Shouryuu | Same here, just not sure |
17:05.20 | Shouryuu | "Bird or beast above the sculptured bust above his chamber door," Tongue twister! |
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18:06.54 | Kirkburn | Never seen this before - some cut original Star Wars footage! http://howtorockstar.blogspot.com/2006/05/uncovered-scenes-from-original-star.html |
18:08.25 | Kirkburn | (no, it's not fake) |
18:09.30 | netcurse | kirkburn |
18:09.33 | netcurse | hello! |
18:09.44 | Kirkburn | Hi :) |
18:09.50 | netcurse | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/search.html |
18:09.55 | netcurse | we recoded it |
18:09.57 | netcurse | can you try it ? |
18:10.32 | Kirkburn | Took me straight to ClearFont ... excellent! |
18:11.12 | Kirkburn | Although ... oddly, when I search for "font", ClearFont doesn't appear |
18:11.19 | netcurse | ok |
18:11.23 | netcurse | gonna fix this |
18:11.30 | Kirkburn | (works with "clear", however) |
18:11.56 | netcurse | ok gonna fix this |
18:11.56 | Kirkburn | Cool |
18:12.00 | clad|afk | have a good evening all |
18:12.00 | netcurse | :p |
18:12.04 | netcurse | later clad |
18:12.06 | Kirkburn | see ya |
18:12.08 | Shouryuu | see ya |
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18:30.01 | Mr_Rabies | So... i hear this channel is usually a bit more lively than cosmostesters these days :o |
18:30.17 | Cide | haven't been there, so I can't say! |
18:30.29 | Shouryuu | didn't even know such a channel existed soooo |
18:30.44 | Cairenn | well, it isn't restricted to cosmos ... mod authors from multiple schools hang out here ... |
18:31.03 | Mr_Rabies | well, yeah |
18:31.15 | Cairenn | so, yeah ... |
18:31.30 | Mr_Rabies | i recognize lots of names from my addons folder :P |
18:31.38 | Cairenn | :) |
18:31.40 | Shouryuu | And I'm not in them! |
18:31.43 | Shouryuu | :'( |
18:32.21 | Cairenn | I think pretty much the majority of the "major" authors hang here from time to time |
18:32.50 | Mr_Rabies | As this is a ...meeting of the wow ui minds, of a sort, does anyone know why Alt+clicking on mailboxes from CT_Mailmod suddenly stopped working? :o |
18:32.54 | Shouryuu | Even the mighty blue comes here once in a while |
18:33.16 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt it's Mailmod itself, but i have like a bajillion mods, so it could be anything |
18:33.45 | Mr_Rabies | was wondering if anyone else has similar issues, so maybe i can track down the conflict :o |
18:40.10 | krka | yup, lots of big names here :) |
18:40.13 | krka | which is kinda cool |
18:41.38 | Mr_Rabies | indeed |
18:42.21 | Mr_Rabies | i wish i knew some lua, it would make my addon battles so much simpler :P |
18:42.36 | Shouryuu | hehe |
18:42.56 | Shouryuu | Well if you know how to program learning Lua shouldn't be the hardest thing to do |
18:43.57 | Mr_Rabies | aha! found it |
18:44.01 | Mr_Rabies | it was a bug in Theorycraft |
18:44.59 | Shouryuu | I hate that addon |
18:45.15 | Shouryuu | Man I need to get a life someday |
18:45.19 | zenzio | what does it do? |
18:45.35 | Mr_Rabies | it lets you know, in theory, what your true spell ranges are with + damage, their crit rate, etc |
18:46.04 | Mr_Rabies | and as of the latest version you can test out new gear to see how that'll effect you |
18:46.19 | Shouryuu | humm |
18:46.25 | Mr_Rabies | want to see how much going from a spinal reaper to a sulfuras will increase your damage? it's built in |
18:46.25 | Shouryuu | that's not how I remembered it |
18:46.42 | Shouryuu | because that sounds Useful! |
18:46.50 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-3031-1-theorycraft.html |
18:56.31 | Kirkburn|Study | Freaky, I randomly decide to look up Mr. Bean on wikipedia, and I just found out a new film is starting recording ... tomorrow! |
18:57.20 | Mr_Rabies | that's.... pretty random |
18:57.26 | Kirkburn|Study | =) |
18:58.06 | Kirkburn|Study | It'll be called 'French Bean' ... pure genius :P |
19:08.15 | Tain | I love Rowan Atkinson. Black Adder was still one of the best series that's been on tv. |
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19:11.43 | Iriel | "Kate, it's short for Bob" |
19:14.06 | Tain | heheh yes! |
19:17.00 | Iriel | I was most pleased when they released it on Region 1 DVD's so I could finally watch them all again (Since I hadn't seen them since they first aired in the meantime) |
19:18.05 | Tain | Ooh I actually got a whole series of them from the public library, there was a BBC set. |
19:18.12 | Tain | I'd like to buy them though. |
19:18.42 | Iriel | I seem to remember it not being all that expensive |
19:24.06 | Kirkburn|Study | Scary Mr Bean dolls : http://www.mailorderexpress.com/shop2/results.asp?ext=mrbean&aid=bean01 |
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19:39.29 | Shouryuu | What good linux distros are there for total linux noobs? |
19:39.49 | Shouryuu | Kubuntu and Ubuntu seem to not want on my computer |
19:40.33 | Iriel | Hm, i'd check out distros with a livedisk first to check they're at least vaguelly compatible |
19:40.45 | Iriel | but I'm really not sure which are noob-worthy |
19:41.31 | Tain | Shouryuu I had trouble with Ubunto as well, but Debian worked fine for me. I can't really say what's noob-worty. |
19:41.41 | Shouryuu | Hehe tried Debian |
19:41.50 | Shouryuu | landed in front of the terminal and went |
19:41.53 | Shouryuu | "Now what?" |
19:42.15 | Shouryuu | stayed like that for about. hummm.... a week, before I gave up |
19:42.19 | Tain | hehe I dont' remember it being quite like that, but I probably didn't pay much attention. |
19:43.00 | Shouryuu | Ubuntu seemed nice, but it's instalation failed... Kubuntu as well =( |
19:43.05 | Iriel | Debian without a GUI isn't very friendly |
19:43.16 | Shouryuu | Hehe yeah |
19:43.18 | Iriel | The Knoppix live cd is handy for testing some machines |
19:43.32 | Iriel | that'd got debian underneath tho, but it's got an X install and all that fun stuff on the cd |
19:43.39 | Iriel | so you can see if your hardware sort of mostly works |
19:43.40 | Tain | I'm actually going to, one of these days when I'm sufficiently bored, just reinstall FreeBSD. |
19:45.51 | Kirkburn|Study | This is v interesting - some ideas on what should come in the next expansion packs (ideas, not rumours or anything) - http://www.wowwiki.com/Endgame_Edition |
19:46.58 | Tain | I think we'll see (eventually) "generic" talents for all classes. |
19:51.44 | Kirkburn|Study | Something I would really love to see is underground areas |
19:52.42 | zenzio | different from caves? |
19:56.43 | Kirkburn|Study | I mean like hude underground areas |
19:56.45 | Kirkburn|Study | *huge |
19:56.58 | Shouryuu | Like Molten Core? |
19:57.12 | Kirkburn|Study | Kinda, but not an instance |
19:57.21 | Shouryuu | ah |
20:06.01 | Industrial | http://pastebin.com/717469 |
20:06.08 | Industrial | line 36, attempt to index local 'button' (a nil value) |
20:06.21 | Industrial | if i do '/script if getglobal('idActionButton'..1) then ace:print('yay') end' it goes yay |
20:08.06 | Industrial | line 36, attempt to index local 'Button' (a nil value) |
20:08.07 | Industrial | :P |
20:11.12 | Shouryuu | Omg, sausages cooked with an Iron... |
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20:15.39 | Shouryuu | I'm so bored |
20:20.28 | Shouryuu | Anyone have some poetry I could read? |
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20:20.57 | Wobin_ | ee cummings |
20:21.18 | Shouryuu | cool |
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20:24.35 | krka | anyone know of a good dkp-addon? |
20:24.54 | Gnarfoz | quick question: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Localize_an_AddOn says something about WoWs LUA interpreter being able to handle UTF-8 encoded unicode directly. does that mean I can use an editor that is able to save a file as utf-8 and WoW will recognize any special characters used inside it? or do I still have to do \195\169 for é, for example? |
20:24.57 | krka | for distributing dkp and keeping a history |
20:25.10 | krka | Gnarfoz, the second one, i think |
20:26.21 | Iriel | Gnarfoz : I believe you can embed unicode directly if you can guarantee nothing in your toolset will screw it up |
20:27.19 | Gnarfoz | hm, so it depends on the file actually staying utf-8, right? |
20:27.22 | Iriel | I wouldn't recommend direct unicode for anything you intend to publish or collaborate on |
20:27.26 | Wobin_ | Shouryuu: http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/1132.html |
20:28.31 | Gnarfoz | Iriel: heh, ok. since I'm making a small addon that should in the end be published, I guess I'll convert special chars into double-byte representations |
20:29.00 | Iriel | Gnarfoz you might consider writing a simple script to convert a UTF-8 source document into an encoded 'publishable' one? |
20:29.16 | Wobin_ | Gnarfoz: http://membres.lycos.fr/darktemplars/accentConverter.php |
20:29.29 | Wobin_ | handiest tool ever |
20:29.49 | Gnarfoz | Wobin_: that's nice, thanks a lot |
20:30.25 | Gnarfoz | Iriel: I guess Wobin_ just linked what I need, although it's not exactly the same as you suggested - but serves the purpose |
20:30.38 | Gnarfoz | thanks for the quick help :) |
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20:31.52 | wereHamster | Wobin_, I don't like the escaped characters in lua.. they make it _very_ hard to read the strings |
20:32.05 | Gnarfoz | although, that tool puts out \n's instead of actual newlines |
20:32.06 | Gnarfoz | :D |
20:33.12 | Wobin_ | True... but not having a simple way to save in a utf format *shrug* I dunno =) |
20:48.38 | Shouryuu | soooo bored |
20:48.47 | Iriel | Learn a new language? |
20:48.54 | Iriel | (computing, or otherwise) |
20:48.54 | Shouryuu | lol |
20:49.35 | Shouryuu | I think I'm going to learn another part of the Hamlet soliloquy |
20:50.04 | Shouryuu | But I'd have to get off my bed in order to get to my book... Oh the humanity... |
20:50.23 | Iriel | Ah, so you're not so much bored as lazy? |
20:50.37 | Shouryuu | Kinda like, down |
20:50.58 | Iriel | ah, i hate it when that happens |
20:51.03 | Iriel | go for a walk? |
20:51.46 | Shouryuu | Ohhh that does sound nice, although it's 11pm here... |
20:51.59 | Tain | Watch out for rioters! |
20:52.08 | Shouryuu | Oh noez! |
20:52.22 | Shouryuu | They;re everywere! Bloody hippies! |
20:55.01 | Shouryuu | I'm just going to watch Mononoke for the 20th time then |
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21:04.44 | Cairenn | off for dinner with Mom, later guys |
21:29.11 | Gnarfoz | another quick question: when ADDON_LOADED fires, "it's" arg1 contains the name of the addon that was just loaded. Is this the directory name? Or the name from the .toc? I guess the former |
21:30.41 | Elkano | iirc the dir name |
21:31.25 | Gnarfoz | would make the most sense, since the Title in the .toc can be localized |
21:31.43 | Iriel | It's the directory name |
21:42.47 | Gnarfoz | it should be enough to reference all files of an addon in the .toc to get them loaded, right? |
21:42.56 | Iriel | right |
21:59.42 | Shouryuu | My god Princess Mononoke is such a beautiful movie |
22:00.07 | netcurse | Indeed it s nice :) |
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22:09.33 | Gngsk | I wanna get down with those girls from iron towne |
22:09.53 | Shouryuu | lol |
22:10.15 | Tain | Dark Iron Dwarf girls? |
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22:16.44 | Shouryuu | I don't even know why I love this movie so much |
22:16.52 | Tain | It's a great movie. |
22:17.12 | Shouryuu | But I don't know what's so good about it! |
22:17.43 | Shouryuu | I;m in absolute awe for 2 hours, but I have absolutely no idea why |
22:19.45 | Tain | Everything! |
22:20.12 | Tem | what movie? |
22:20.18 | Shouryuu | Princess Mononoke |
22:20.37 | Shouryuu | I guess I'll have to go with Pascal "The Heart has reasons even reason cannot comprehend: |
22:20.58 | Shouryuu | why is overrated... |
22:21.09 | Tem | no no |
22:21.12 | Tem | that movie is awesome |
22:21.47 | Tem | as are-- hmm-- *all* of miyazaki's |
22:22.18 | Shouryuu | aye |
22:22.32 | Shouryuu | Totoro is just... unwordable :P |
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22:33.20 | Tem | I still haven't seen that |
22:33.33 | Tem | WTB 1x [Gello in #wowi-lounge] PST |
22:34.33 | Tem | ("I still haven't seen that" -- Totoro that is) |
22:36.06 | Tem | gotta head back to my appmt |
22:36.09 | Tem | later guys |
22:37.31 | Gnarfoz | if I want to monitor loot (or more to the point, the count of several types of items inside the players bags), would I just listen for BAG_UPDATE and iterate through the bag for which it fired everytime? or is there some more elegant way I'm not seeing? |
22:48.28 | netcurse | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/naxxramas.html |
22:49.49 | Shouryuu | how do you guys get such info? |
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22:50.57 | netcurse | hours of readings over all the e3 infos |
22:51.11 | Shouryuu | hehe |
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22:55.48 | Gnarfoz | nice listing, netcurse |
22:58.49 | Shouryuu | night folks |
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23:23.58 | Gnarfoz | mh |
23:24.32 | Gnarfoz | for ItemId = 8391, 8392, 8393, 8394, 8396 do <stuff> end says it expects "do" near ",". anyone got an idea what's wrong? :D |
23:26.54 | Gnarfoz | nevermind |
23:31.20 | cladhaire | What I really love about wow is the way armors work.. the fact that you can see what you're wearing, and that makes things veyr different from person to person =) |
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23:42.56 | Gnarfoz | except... the armor looks fugly most of the time? :D |
23:43.28 | Wobin_ | Gnarfoz: For the inventory scanning, you could possibly do it on a on-need basis rather than every bag_update |
23:44.33 | Gnarfoz | hm. I need to monitor incoming items (to check them if they are one of those IDs up there) and of course also when they leave the inventory so I know when they're not there anymore |
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23:47.38 | Tain | There's always room for Gello! |
23:47.43 | Wobin_ | heyo Gello |
23:48.03 | Wobin_ | Gnarfoz: I guess bag_update is your event then... |
23:48.06 | Gello | heya |
23:48.13 | Cairenn | hey Gello |
23:48.22 | Wobin_ | Gnarfoz: Although you'll want to disable that on zoning =) |
23:48.23 | Cairenn | now we just need Tem back, since he was the one looking for you |
23:48.27 | Gello | always room hehe |
23:48.48 | Gello | i didn't do it. totally innocent |
23:50.37 | Iriel | Whoa, Gello! Hola |
23:50.57 | Iriel | I'd convinced myself you were shunning us out of fear of some kind of contamination 8-) |
23:51.24 | *** part/#wowi-lounge ForgottenLords (n=Forgotte@059.216-123-195-0.interbaun.com) |
23:51.25 | Gello | hehe oh i babble in guild nonstop while i'm modding hehe |
23:53.17 | Gnarfoz | Wobin_: you mean registering bag_update on player_entering_world and unregistering it on player_leaving_world? already doing that :) |
23:53.30 | Wobin_ | good =) |
23:53.57 | Gnarfoz | although the addon still is doing rather a lot of nothing besides that, really XD |
23:55.52 | Gnarfoz | hm, is it somehow possible to output an entire itemlink without the game making it a real link? |
23:57.51 | Wobin_ | gsub out the |'s? |