irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20060513

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`00:29.52`	`groll`	`anyone got a us account that could make a post for me perhaps?`
`00:31.21`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Tem@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net)`
`00:31.37`	`Iriel`	`It would depend what the post needs to be 8-)`
`00:31.50`	`groll`	`shaman forum :D`
`00:31.56`	`Iriel`	`Ah, no then. 8-)`
`00:32.02`	`groll`	`meh :P why not? :p`
`00:32.09`	`groll`	`ur a pally who hates shammys i bet :P`
`00:32.14`	`Iriel`	`Because I'd show up as MVP and i'm only the UI MVP`
`00:32.19`	`groll`	`ah oke`
`00:32.38`	`groll`	`Cairenn\|afk come back pretty plzzz :D`
`00:32.54`	`groll`	`the shammys are fun though :D Upon Shaman Review, I, a Shaman so solemnly promise to look upon the review with detatched amusement and wonder if we've graduated from being a plastic spork to a full fledged gerber multi-tool.`
`00:32.55`	`groll`	`lol`
`00:33.25`	`Tem`	`Iriel: does that mean you aren't allowed to post anywhere else?`
`00:33.27`	`Tem`	`that seems odd`
`00:33.51`	`Wobin_`	`I can post for you, groll`
`00:33.59`	`groll`	`yay thanks :D`
`00:34.07`	`Wobin_`	`What do you want to say?`
`00:34.15`	`Tain`	`You could cause some havoc posting on other forums with completely false yet authoritive sounding answers.`
`00:34.21`	`groll`	`this is what i want posted http://wow.pastebin.com/714538`
`00:34.35`	`groll`	`and posted in this thread http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-shaman&t=551970&p=1&tmp=1#post551970`
`00:35.03`	`Iriel`	`Tain: Tyren would yell at me`
`00:35.27`	`Iriel`	`Tem: It's a limitation of their forum system, they're working on a fix, but they did make sure up front that I was okay with it and understood the limitation`
`00:35.43`	`Iriel`	`And to be honest, I dont remember the last time I wanted to post to any forum (other than possibly the suggestion forum)`
`00:36.09`	`Tem`	`ah, so they asked you to avoid posting on other forums?`
`00:36.12`	`groll`	`to much whinage... although i agree that the shammys has a right to whine now actually :P`
`00:36.24`	`Tem`	`yeah, they got all mage talents`
`00:36.30`	`Tem`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:37.26`	`groll`	`lol :P we got what we kinda absolutely didnt want.. a pvp buff and also a as we get pigeonholed into the resto tree a serious dps nerf as we cant go as high in the enhancement tree to get the wf we need`
`00:37.26`	`Tem`	`what about that one time Palehoof posted on the ui forum?`
`00:38.25`	`Iriel`	`Tem: I remember that, I decided it would be bad form to ask about it until it happens again. I'm not sure at the time they'd realized the forums encompass more than one distinct community`
`00:38.39`	`groll`	`i do find it kinda fun to see how bad blizzard are at customer service though.. they today admitted to not even haveing looked into our concerns what so ever before they made the changes to the shammys :P`
`00:39.22`	`Tem`	`groll: it's so strange to me because shammies are widely viewed as overpowered (in 1.10) in pvp`
`00:39.30`	`groll`	`yes i know`
`00:39.38`	`Tem`	`having never seriously played one, I really don't know one way or the other`
`00:39.40`	`groll`	`but the thing is are we really overpowered?`
`00:39.50`	`Tem`	`I just know they annoy the piss out of me in wsg`
`00:39.58`	`Tem`	`Iriel: good call`
`00:40.05`	`groll`	it was like someone wrote on the forum.. do ppl complain when a warrior hit you for 4k damage? or a mage oneshot you?`
`00:40.08`	`groll`	`no they dont`
`00:40.14`	`Tem`	`um`
`00:40.15`	`Tem`	`yes`
`00:40.29`	`Tem`	`Remember the trinket nerf?`
`00:40.43`	`groll`	`but as soon as a shammy get a major wf tripple crit.. which almost never happends,or if we get a chain crit.. everyone goes OMFG NERF them!! :P`
`00:40.49`	`Tem`	`that was because Arcane Power mages had a 20ish percent chance to one shot you every 3 minutes`
`00:40.56`	`Tem`	`and people bitched`
`00:40.58`	`Tem`	`a lot`
`00:41.12`	`groll`	`yep i know.. but they can still oneshot you.. just not as often :P`
`00:42.20`	`Wobin_`	`groll: What name is this under?`
`00:42.25`	`groll`	`groll :)`
`00:42.30`	`Wobin_`	`hokies =)`
`00:42.31`	`groll`	`on stormscale eu`
`00:43.03`	`groll`	`it sucks that they cant have one forum for us all.. but i guess that would make it ever more hard to read :P`
`00:44.20`	`Tem`	`honestly, the trinket nerf means about 500 damage on a pyroblast crit`
`00:44.34`	`Tem`	`which until now I hadn't done the math`
`00:44.41`	`Tem`	`so maybe that was a good nerf`
`00:44.42`	`groll`	`i dont know to much about that :P i only got a 21 mage :P`
`00:44.48`	`Tem`	`since it barely effects frost mages`
`00:45.14`	`Tem`	`stupid cookie cutter AP mage`
`00:45.50`	`groll`	`hehe`
`00:46.02`	`Tem`	`they ruin stuff for the rest of us`
`00:47.24`	`groll`	`heh`
`00:47.32`	`groll`	`i ruin stuff for everyone aparantly :P`
`00:47.39`	`groll`	`as i'm a shammy and need a nerf :P`
`00:48.05`	`sancus`	`that's okay`
`00:48.22`	`sancus`	`have a 75% crit rate on fireball on frost nova'd targets is way better than silly arcane power`
`00:48.31`	`groll`	`hehe yep`
`00:48.36`	`groll`	`ouchy :P`
`00:49.22`	`Wobin_`	`groll: done`
`00:49.29`	`groll`	`thanks a bunch :)`
`00:49.55`	`Tem`	`sancus while that's nifty, fireball's casting time is so damned long`
`00:50.24`	`Tem`	`(yes I know with talents it's only .5 seconds shorter than my talented frostbolt)`
`00:50.30`	`Tem`	`(it still feels like forever ><)`
`00:50.44`	`sancus`	`a frost nova'd target isn't going anywhere and isnt going to interrupt you`
`00:50.51`	`sancus`	`so it doesnt really matter that much`
`00:50.58`	`Tem`	`in pve I guess`
`00:51.00`	`sancus`	`and for group pvp`
`00:51.05`	`groll`	`ohh just realized something :P anyone know of an addon (not castoptions) that if you cast a offensive spell and have a friend targeted cast it on his target?`
`00:51.08`	`Tem`	`in pvp that's quite a different story`
`00:51.09`	`sancus`	`frost nova + Blast Wave is just sick`
`00:51.14`	`sancus`	`period`
`00:51.20`	`Tem`	`sancus: :)`
`00:51.23`	`sancus`	`its orders of magnitude better than the existing FN + CoC`
`00:51.48`	`Tem`	`I like to reserve BW for when I'm really in trouble`
`00:52.13`	`sancus`	`I can't imagine any serious pvper taking Arcane Power in 1.11`
`00:52.17`	`sancus`	`you're just gimping yourself for no reason`
`00:52.49`	`Tem`	`I don't know any serious mage that knows what they are doing who ever took arcane power`
`00:53.13`	`sancus`	`its very strong in WSG right now, and for some other limited applications`
`00:53.23`	`sancus`	`great for duoing instances =)`
`00:53.39`	`Tem`	`I do better with my frost build in wsg than any AP mage`
`00:53.48`	`sancus`	`nah`
`00:53.54`	`sancus`	`nothing can take down a flag runner like an AP mage`
`00:54.08`	`sancus`	`the only reasonable defense against that is a demonologist warlock runner`
`00:54.41`	`Tem`	`there are more powerful things I can do than frontload my damage`
`00:54.55`	`Tem`	`it's more valuable for me to slow them down so my team can catch up`
`00:55.00`	`Tem`	`and take him out`
`00:55.24`	`sancus`	`even an entire team can be stymied trying to take out a prot warrior`
`00:55.44`	`sancus`	`of course im talking about matches where everyone is in epics and organized`
`00:55.46`	`sancus`	`which are rare`
`01:03.00`	`Tem`	`Iriel: ew, did you see the nastyness slouken posted about CreateFrame?`
`01:03.43`	`Iriel`	`Tem: I like it!`
`01:03.51`	`Tem`	`I think it's bad`
`01:03.58`	`KarlKFI`	`?`
`01:04.00`	`Iriel`	`Why? it's consistent with the XML loader?`
`01:04.06`	`Tem`	`frames no longer have unique names`
`01:04.10`	`Iriel`	`They never did`
`01:04.16`	`Iriel`	`they just sort of did`
`01:04.24`	`KarlKFI`	`mmm, so...`
`01:04.25`	`Tem`	`and it introduces some strange behaviour when you refer to a frame by it's name as a string`
`01:04.50`	`Iriel`	`The moral of that story is..`
`01:04.54`	`Iriel`	`Never refer to frames by name 8-)`
`01:04.58`	`Tem`	`darnet I posted with the wrong character`
`01:05.04`	`KarlKFI`	`means i can crate multiple frames w/o wow blowing up`
`01:05.11`	`KarlKFI`	`does SetName work?`
`01:05.33`	`Tem`	`we never had SetName unless I missed something`
`01:05.45`	`Iriel`	`We dont have SetName`
`01:06.10`	`KarlKFI`	`should`
`01:06.11`	`Iriel`	`But you can create multiple frames with the same name=""`
`01:07.32`	`Wobin_`	`oh. he posted?`
`01:07.36`	`KarlKFI`	`global namespace of that?`
`01:07.42`	`Tem`	`Iriel: refresh the page for my post`
`01:07.46`	`Iriel`	`I saw it`
`01:07.50`	`Iriel`	`after I posted mine`
`01:08.11`	`Iriel`	`You forgot to mention whether any of your frame names were already taken in the global environment before your code runs`
`01:08.20`	`Tem`	`doesn't matter`
`01:08.26`	`Tem`	`but assume they aren't`
`01:08.36`	`Tem`	`it's still confusing`
`01:09.08`	`KarlKFI`	`i dont mind..`
`01:09.20`	`KarlKFI`	`be nice if we had a way to rename a frame tho`
`01:09.29`	`Tem`	`I much prefered CreateFrame to fail silently`
`01:10.06`	`Iriel`	`It should always work`
`01:10.10`	`Iriel`	`It should always create a frame`
`01:10.13`	`Wobin_`	`a1 would be the parent of b, yes?`
`01:10.14`	`Iriel`	`it should awared`
`01:10.18`	`Tem`	`if it returns nil, then you need to pick another name`
`01:10.25`	`Iriel`	`It should always return the new frame's object`
`01:10.40`	`Iriel`	`Oh yeah, I SO want to rewrite my dynamic frame logic to have to mess around picking names out of thin air!`
`01:10.43`	`Tem`	`Frame names need to be unique`
`01:11.00`	`Wobin_`	`This is why I removed names completely from FreezeFrames =)`
`01:11.02`	`Iriel`	`Well, I'd be entirely behind a revision to slouken's plan in which CreateFrame succeds but picks a new name`
`01:11.12`	`Wobin_`	`FrameA1?`
`01:11.16`	`Iriel`	`I dont mind that, if it makes you happier`
`01:11.24`	`Wobin_`	`FrameA_?`
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`01:12.13`	`Tem`	`To me a naming conflict speaks of a bigger issue`
`01:12.17`	`Kemayo`	`Note to self: WoW isn't very playable while 50 gigs of stuff is being copied from one IDE hard disk to another SATA hard disk.`
`01:12.27`	`Tem`	`one you need to hear about before the code is in release`
`01:12.53`	`Iriel`	`Tem: It depends on what caused the conflict, personally I use frame names as 'informational' these days`
`01:13.10`	`Iriel`	`Tem: I have a problem if my 'root' frames have naming conflicts, but beyond that I rarely care too much`
`01:13.26`	`Tem`	`ugh`
`01:13.33`	`Tem`	`I really wanted to name my frames`
`01:13.37`	`Tem`	`but this is going to stop me`
`01:14.06`	`KarlKFI`	`why?`
`01:15.44`	`Iriel`	`Why does it stop you?`
`01:15.54`	`Tem`	`I was going to use the names as unique identifiers`
`01:15.57`	`Iriel`	`If there are no naming conflicts you're in exactly the same place you were before`
`01:16.05`	`Iriel`	`If there are naming conflicts, it'll fail differently`
`01:16.06`	`Wobin_`	`As long as -you- don't have conflicts it'll bealright`
`01:16.08`	`Iriel`	`but still fail`
`01:16.15`	`Tem`	`I don't trust people to not have naming conflicts`
`01:16.23`	`Wobin_`	`Well their code won't work =)`
`01:16.25`	`Wobin_`	`But yours will`
`01:16.30`	`Tem`	`and they will bitch at me`
`01:16.36`	`Iriel`	`You can emulate the old behavior for yourself`
`01:16.49`	`Tem`	`how do you detect a frame?`
`01:16.54`	`Wobin_`	`And you can tell them lrn2uzeUniquenamez`
`01:17.02`	`Tem`	`it's global symbol could be niled`
`01:17.35`	`Iriel`	`Well, you could do an enumerateframes scan, but that is uglyt`
`01:17.48`	`Iriel`	`But as that bug thread pointed out, that wasn't a reliable test given the regions didn't follow the same rules`
`01:18.07`	`Tem`	`right`
`01:18.08`	`Wobin_`	`Or FontStrings`
`01:18.18`	`Tem`	`(fontstrings are regions)`
`01:18.36`	`Wobin_`	`(yeh =))`
`01:18.42`	`Wobin_`	`(naptime for me)`
`01:18.48`	`Tem`	`hehe`
`01:19.36`	`Wobin_`	`I think your dinoavatar needs to grin more, Iriel`
`01:20.06`	`Wobin_`	`anyway =) bye =) (And I'm glad that's clarified)`
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`01:36.10`	`Esamynn`	`Evening all`
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`02:36.03`	`Esamynn`	`jeez, it's silent as the grave in here tonight`
`02:36.09`	`Tain`	`Shh!`
`02:36.21`	`Esamynn`	`lol`
`02:36.24`	`Tain`	`Be vewwy vewwy quiet. I'm hunting wabbit.`
`02:36.44`	`Esamynn`	`eeehhhh, wat's up doc?`
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`03:02.08`	`Esamynn`	`hehehe, nice, I wasn't sure that would work, Normally if you index a table with nil you get nil back, but with a function as the table's __index metatable field, you can make it give back whatever you want :)`
`03:31.04`	`Kaelten`	`whats the name of the function that tells you what frame the curser is over?`
`03:31.14`	`Kaelten`	`nvm, finally found it`
`03:32.37`	`JoshBorke`	`anyway to show CTRA chat messages while raiding without changing the CTRA channel? like a debug mode/`
`03:33.05`	`Esamynn`	`you mean the communication message?`
`03:33.15`	`Esamynn`	`s/message/messages/`
`03:33.38`	`JoshBorke`	`yes`
`03:34.18`	`Esamynn`	`I don't think there is a built in method, but if you give me a moment, I can tell you where to insert an :AddMessage call`
`03:34.38`	`JoshBorke`	`he's currently hooking the ChatFrame:AddMessage isn't he?`
`03:37.18`	`Esamynn`	`do you want the messages as they look in the channel or as CTRA parses them?`
`03:37.32`	`Esamynn`	`it can send multiple messages on a single line`
`03:38.23`	`JoshBorke`	`as they look in the channel. trying to debug my own mod that piggy backs on the channel :D`
`03:38.53`	`Esamynn`	`ahh, do you have CTRA as a dependency?`
`03:39.05`	`Esamynn`	`or just want it to share the channel if both are isntalled?`
`03:39.09`	`Esamynn`	`installed*`
`03:39.15`	`JoshBorke`	`just if both are installed`
`03:39.34`	`JoshBorke`	`but i'm only enabling the chat channel if it is installed`
`03:39.53`	`Esamynn`	`you could use CTRA's message queue then`
`03:40.19`	`Esamynn`	`it does some filtering for when the player is drunk ;`
`03:40.22`	`Esamynn`	`;)`
`03:40.24`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`03:41.20`	`Esamynn`	`anyways, the CTRA message function to queue a message is CT_RA_SendMessage(msg, force)`
`03:41.45`	`Esamynn`	`the force flag forces the message to go out imeediately`
`03:42.12`	`JoshBorke`	`what about processing the message?`
`03:42.49`	`Esamynn`	`hook CT_RA_ParseMessage(nick, msg), nick is the name of the player that sent the message`
`03:44.50`	`Esamynn`	`both of those function are in CT_RaidAssist.lua ParseMessage is around 500, Addmessage is around 1000`
`03:45.59`	`JoshBorke`	`yea`
`03:47.07`	`Esamynn`	`sorry, meant CT_RA_AddMessage(msg) for queuing messages`
`03:47.08`	`JoshBorke`	`thanks :-)`
`03:47.13`	`Esamynn`	`not SendMessage`
`03:47.36`	`Esamynn`	`the queue is emptied about twice a second if memory serves`
`03:48.56`	`Esamynn`	`oh, and when you hook ParseMessage, make sure you return both return values (return nil if you processed the message yourself)`
`03:49.22`	`JoshBorke`	`would it be better for me to hook ParseMessage or parse the message myself?`
`03:49.57`	`Esamynn`	`hooking ParseMessage will let CTRA break down any lines that it put multiple messages on`
`03:50.08`	`Esamynn`	`oh, and don't use #, thats the message split character`
`03:52.02`	`Esamynn`	`hmm, I couldn't remember if the statement "return foo()" would return all the return values of foo() so I tested it, and it does`
`03:52.15`	`Esamynn`	`so making sure you return both values isn't an issue`
`03:57.54`	`JoshBorke`	`ah, i see`
`03:57.59`	`Esamynn`	`doh, I just figured out which of my AddOns is acidentally erasing the message function`
`03:58.01`	`Esamynn`	`CTRA :(`
`03:58.08`	`JoshBorke`	`LOL`
`03:58.18`	`Esamynn`	`i'll have to bug Cide about that`
`03:59.14`	`Esamynn`	`they obviously jsut forgot the declare the variable local at the beginning of the function they use it in`
`04:00.24`	`JoshBorke`	`( Esamynn ): thanks :-)`
`04:00.34`	`Esamynn`	`you're welcome :)`
`04:00.49`	`JoshBorke`	`now i have to redo my communications portion :D`
`04:01.21`	`Esamynn`	`I bet it will be a lot less complicated this time ;0`
`04:01.21`	`Esamynn`	`I bet it will be a lot less complicated this time ;)`
`04:04.03`	`JoshBorke`	`well, sending messages was easy, just added a check for CT_RA_AddMessage and use it if it's there :-)`
`04:07.15`	`clad\|afk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:07.55`	`clad\|afk`	`o hia`
`04:08.01`	`clad\|sleep`	`that was odd`
`04:08.03`	`clad\|sleep`	`=)`
`04:08.08`	`Esamynn`	`I hope I don't go insane before I finish this task`
`04:11.33`	`Esamynn`	`the Gatherer code is such a mess, some of it was written quite well, with obvious fore-thought, but most of is just.........`
`04:12.48`	`JoshBorke`	`ew, he scans the raid each message?`
`04:13.40`	`Esamynn`	`he has to, to be sure the message came from a raid member, the bad part is, HE DOES IT AT LEAST TWICE!!!! :(`
`04:13.48`	`Esamynn`	`that's something else i've been meaning to bug him about`
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`04:14.18`	`JoshBorke`	`couldn't he cache it in a small table?`
`04:14.24`	`Esamynn`	`yah, he could do that too`
`04:14.34`	`JoshBorke`	`that's what i do`
`04:16.31`	`Esamynn`	`ok, I need a break from this code before I go nuts ;)`
`04:16.32`	`Esamynn`	`back later`
`04:16.39`	`JoshBorke`	`later Esamynn, thanks again`
`04:23.15`	`Kaelten`	`welcome back Cairenn`
`04:23.22`	`Cairenn`	`thanks`
`04:29.38`	`JoshBorke`	`wb Cairenn :-)`
`04:29.43`	`Cairenn`	`hi JoshBorke`
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`04:50.01`	`Cairenn`	`night all`
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`05:33.32`	`Kaelten\|sleeping`	`night guys`
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`08:41.47`	`Wobin_`	`bah.`
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`08:41.52`	`Wobin_`	`Anyone having issues posting to the forum?`
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`13:51.24`	`Shouryuu`	`rawr`
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`14:54.05`	`ComicSansMS`	`greetings everyon!`
`14:54.07`	`ComicSansMS`	`+e`
`14:54.08`	`Wobin_`	`Wow.`
`14:54.12`	`Wobin_`	`Channel is so quiet`
`14:54.32`	`Tain`	`Too quiet.`
`14:54.36`	`ComicSansMS`	`oO`
`14:54.39`	`Wobin_`	`Hardly anything but a rawr for the last 6 hours =P`
`14:54.51`	`Tain`	`It's the NSA wiretapping.`
`14:56.22`	`Shouryuu`	`\|*34\|2 my rawr!`
`14:57.46`	`Shouryuu`	`argh I can't figure out how to write an ISO with this computer RRRRR`
`14:59.21`	`wereHamster`	`$ cdrecord`
`15:00.38`	`Tain`	`I remember trying to figure out how to burn an ISO on a Mac.`
`15:00.57`	`Tain`	`I burned the actual ISO file as a file onto a CD.`
`15:01.20`	`Shouryuu`	`That happened to me before I knew what an ISO was...`
`15:01.35`	`Tain`	`That's when that whole idea of Macs being easy to use went out the window for me.`
`15:02.59`	`Shouryuu`	`lol`
`15:04.59`	`Tain`	`But of course my girlfriend just had to have one, and so of course I bought it. Goddamn thing barely ever got used as she found the joys of my laptop on wireless soon after.`
`15:06.45`	`Kirkburn`	`On that topic ... http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php`
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`15:07.23`	`Kirkburn`	`And hello everyone :)`
`15:07.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Wonder where everyone is ...`
`15:08.14`	`Kirkburn`	`Maybe we need some controversy of some kind`
`15:08.19`	`Shouryuu`	`hello`
`15:10.07`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Kirkburn, here is some controversy: "Demon paladins from space!"`
`15:10.37`	`[MoonWolf]`	`hey, blizzard made it up , not me.`
`15:11.09`	`Kirkburn`	`hrm, I still don't agree with it :)`
`15:11.28`	`ComicSansMS`	`demon paladins... that'ld be warlocks, wouldnt it?`
`15:11.29`	`Shouryuu`	`I do find their story a bit far fetch`
`15:11.59`	`Kirkburn`	`They're not blooming demons, okay :P`
`15:12.27`	`Wobin_`	`They're jsut demonishlikekindanotquite`
`15:12.30`	`Kirkburn`	`It's far less of an adjustment than the sweeping changes made between WC2 and WC3`
`15:13.22`	`Kirkburn`	`The only real change is a bit of an adjustment in Sargeras' story, and more background for the Eredar and Draenei :)`
`15:13.33`	`Shouryuu`	`what should I use to make an ISO?`
`15:13.50`	`Shouryuu`	`WHy do they hate already?`
`15:13.58`	`Shouryuu`	`Blood elves made their ship crash?`
`15:14.09`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah`
`15:14.38`	`Kirkburn`	`(and no, it doesn't say they stole anything from the ship, it just says they stole "techonology")`
`15:15.01`	`Shouryuu`	`That is what I call far fetched...`
`15:15.07`	`Kirkburn`	`Hardly`
`15:15.35`	`Kirkburn`	`Well, it's different, but c'mon we have gnomes with a huge number of 'modern' inventions`
`15:15.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Nuclear bombs, for example :)`
`15:17.07`	`Kirkburn`	`(sorry, I'm very defensive about it ... been talking on a lore forum for the past few days about it)`
`15:17.33`	`Kirkburn`	`Shouryuu, did you get Linux all working then?`
`15:17.50`	`[MoonWolf]`	`i agree Kirkburn im not totally happy either, but its not the huge retcon people make it out to be`
`15:17.57`	`[MoonWolf]`	`not that big of a deal`
`15:18.02`	`Wobin_`	`It's pretty retconnic, though`
`15:18.04`	`[MoonWolf]`	`but hey, you wanted controversy.`
`15:18.06`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`15:18.42`	`Wobin_`	`Cause it feels so empty without me`
`15:18.42`	`Kirkburn`	`Wobin_, it is a retcon, it's true. But not one that actually affects anything :)`
`15:18.43`	`[MoonWolf]`	`well`
`15:18.44`	`[MoonWolf]`	`we are left wondering how sargeras got corrupted....`
`15:18.48`	`Kirkburn`	`The one's between WC2 and 3 actually affected the entire game and previous history`
`15:18.53`	`Shouryuu`	`a retcon?`
`15:18.53`	`Wobin_`	`OMGZ EMO`
`15:19.22`	`Wobin_`	`Sargy turned into a goth and started cutting`
`15:19.34`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Retcon`
`15:19.44`	`Kirkburn`	`"Retcon is short for "retroactive continuity", and describes something that is altered in the official lore of a series of works of fiction"`
`15:19.50`	`[MoonWolf]`	`and here i was typing a discription of a retcon.`
`15:19.56`	`Kirkburn`	`Heh`
`15:20.15`	`Shouryuu`	`ok what program should I use to burn an ISO?`
`15:20.28`	`[MoonWolf]`	`<cd burning program of choice>`
`15:20.39`	`Kirkburn`	`How sargeras got corrupted doesn't actually affect any of the games though - it's just a change to a couple of lines of background story`
`15:20.50`	`[MoonWolf]`	`http://www.cdburnerxp.se/ < I use this`
`15:21.06`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Kirkburn, true, therefor to me its not the HUGE retcon people make it out to be.`
`15:21.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Anyone interested in the Warcraft history, I would really recommend this forum ... http://www.pvprp.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=43`
`15:23.17`	`Shouryuu`	`thanks Wolf`
`15:24.09`	`Kirkburn`	`I use Nero myself, but I've never burnt an ISO with it`
`15:24.18`	`Shouryuu`	`Nero isn't free =(`
`15:25.52`	`Tain`	`There's a bunch of tools listed here. http://www.videohelp.com/tools?s=16#16`
`15:25.59`	`Tain`	`Some are pay, but there's a bunch of free ones.`
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`15:42.24`	`Wobin_`	`hrm, anyone use Relentless Strikes?`
`15:42.28`	`Wobin_`	`as a rogue?`
`15:44.04`	`Gngsk`	`I've used it, what's up?`
`15:44.59`	`Wobin_`	`I'm reading the tooltip, is it 20% chance to return 25 energy per point?`
`15:45.16`	`Wobin_`	`or a say, overall 100% chance to return 25 energy on 5 cps?`
`15:45.55`	`Kalroth`	`20% chance on 5 points`
`15:45.55`	`Wobin_`	`ie, is it potentially possible to get back 100 points if you're lucky?`
`15:46.23`	`Gngsk`	`it means you're guaranteed 25 energy back after using a 5 point finisher`
`15:46.29`	`Wobin_`	`ah, the former`
`15:46.32`	`Wobin_`	`bah =)`
`15:46.34`	`Kalroth`	`mmm, are you sure?`
`15:46.37`	`Wobin_`	`Not as interesting as I though`
`15:46.39`	`Wobin_`	`t`
`15:47.15`	`Kalroth`	`oh, it's per combo point, never noticed that, heh`
`15:47.19`	`Gngsk`	`it's a pretty decent talent for the teir it's at`
`15:47.22`	`Kalroth`	`yeah, it should be 100% chance on 5 points then`
`15:49.44`	`Wobin_`	`Gngsk: True =)`
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`15:50.43`	`Shouryuu_`	`boo`
`15:51.07`	`Kirkburn`	`Hello secondary Shouryuu :)`
`15:51.17`	`Shouryuu_`	`hehe`
`15:51.41`	`Shouryuu_`	`I am so going crazy over my computer`
`15:51.51`	`Kirkburn`	`That good, eh? ;)`
`15:51.55`	`Shouryuu_`	`lool`
`15:52.02`	`Shouryuu_`	`no it's driving me bloody nuts!`
`15:52.09`	`Kirkburn`	`Well here's something to take you mind off of it ... http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=460550`
`15:52.31`	`Kirkburn`	`It's shocking...`
`15:54.12`	`Wobin_`	`...`
`15:54.26`	`Wobin_`	`how can he be charged with Statutory Rape? Both of them are under the AoC`
`15:54.35`	`Wobin_`	`Unless they changed it to 14`
`15:54.38`	`Kirkburn`	`Doesn't matter, he was still underage`
`15:54.52`	`Kirkburn`	`(16 is the AoC still)`
`15:55.48`	`Shouryuu_`	`hahahaha`
`15:56.13`	`Shouryuu_`	`that's just hilatious`
`15:56.16`	`Shouryuu_`	`*hilarious`
`15:56.54`	`Kirkburn`	`(BBc link ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/4764417.stm)`
`15:57.19`	`Kirkburn`	`Apparently she still smokes 20 cigarettes a day :/`
`15:58.17`	`Shouryuu_`	`GGGOOOOODDDDDDDD I CAN"T GET THIS ISO TO WROKREJRIAJFKJKSAFJA:JFA`
`15:59.14`	`Kirkburn`	`Try using fingers to type instead of a fist?`
`15:59.24`	`Kirkburn`	`=)`
`16:00.15`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm off to sit in the sun, taraa`
`16:03.36`	`JoshBorke`	`good morning :-)`
`16:03.39`	`Shouryuu_`	`harlo`
`16:03.42`	`Kirkburn\|Sunning`	`Hmm, slightly ruined by the guys in the apartment below me smoking pot`
`16:03.58`	`Kirkburn\|Sunning`	`Hello to you :P`
`16:04.14`	`Kirkburn\|Sunning`	`Maybe I should get a bucket of water to throw over them`
`16:08.58`	`Shouryuu_`	`Wow, that interview from the senior designer is just... poor =(`
`16:09.41`	`Shouryuu_`	`Scott Mercer`
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`16:30.35`	`JoshBorke`	`er, so someone in my guild just linked a blue item with no text`
`16:31.01`	`JoshBorke`	`it was just []`
`16:31.51`	`JoshBorke`	`working link too...`
`16:32.34`	`Wobin_`	`Foreign language again?`
`16:33.06`	`Shouryuu_`	`Yeah someone reported that`
`16:33.24`	`Shouryuu_`	`But since it's not really misleading, and pretty useless...`
`16:38.35`	`netcurse`	`33) ([SS]FluffyB) :P`
`16:38.35`	`netcurse`	`(18:25:42) ([SS]FluffyB) ok it was there..or "news" under movies`
`16:38.35`	`netcurse`	`(18:25:50) (Kaiz) yay!!!`
`16:38.37`	`netcurse`	`er`
`16:38.41`	`netcurse`	`wrong cp`
`16:39.22`	`netcurse`	`hello there can you check http://www.curse-gaming.com please and tell me the time it take for you from the typing to the real page loading`
`16:39.40`	`Cide`	`like 1 second`
`16:39.45`	`Cide`	`2 maybe`
`16:39.52`	`Kirkburn\|Sunning`	`About 5 seconds (for everything to load)`
`16:40.28`	`Cide`	`my firefox showed "Done." in the status window 3 seconds after I pressed refresh this time`
`16:40.57`	`netcurse`	`ok thanks`
`16:41.07`	`Kirkburn\|Sunning`	`I see no advert ...`
`16:41.15`	`netcurse`	`their is none`
`16:41.15`	`Kirkburn\|Sunning`	`Just a blank square`
`16:41.18`	`Kirkburn\|Sunning`	`Ah, okay :)`
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`17:05.09`	`Gngsk`	`hmm, how do I move the ora maintankframes around?`
`17:09.21`	`Shouryuu_`	`Click on tghe "MT Frame", above the frame itself, and drag it around?`
`17:09.39`	`Gngsk`	`don't see that`
`17:09.52`	`Gngsk`	`I'm running from trunk, might not be there`
`17:10.07`	`Shouryuu_`	`you're talking about CTRA right?`
`17:10.28`	`Gngsk`	`nah`
`17:10.30`	`Gngsk`	`oRA`
`17:10.43`	`Shouryuu_`	`ah, that's why :P Thought it was a typo`
`17:11.44`	`Shouryuu_`	`Argh I'm such an idiot... I should've put linux on my HDD>...`
`17:11.50`	`Shouryuu_`	`*external HDD`
`17:12.10`	`Shouryuu_`	`and left Windows on my normal one...`
`17:12.17`	`Shouryuu_`	`'Doh!`
`17:14.48`	`Shouryuu_`	`You can't change cursors in WoW right?`
`17:14.59`	`Shouryuu_`	`It's being in 1.11 right?`
`17:15.32`	`JoshBorke`	`er, is there a command to auto-promote?`
`17:16.23`	`Shouryuu_`	`Don't think so`
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`17:17.18`	`JoshBorke`	`hrm`
`17:22.40`	`Kirkburn`	`<Shouryuu_> You can't change cursors in WoW right? <-- 1.11, yeah`
`17:23.39`	`Kirkburn`	`Best for changing cursor as something goes over a frame, not for changing it into a fireball when your gonna cast one though (I seem to recall slouken saying as much)`
`17:24.14`	`Tain`	`Well you can change the cursor now.`
`17:24.24`	`Tain`	`You just have a specific list of in-game cursors.`
`17:25.15`	`Tain`	`1.11 will let you use your own.`
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`17:38.12`	`Shouryuu_`	`oh well`
`17:38.22`	`Shouryuu_`	`Guess I give an inexact answer`
`17:40.02`	`Shouryuu_`	`OK i'm angry`
`17:40.16`	`Shouryuu_`	`My ISO was burnt, but I can't boot from it :@`
`17:40.59`	`Shouryuu_`	`I;d better have burnt the right bloody ISO or I'll be rudy pissed`
`17:41.32`	`Shouryuu_`	`Somebody SHOOT me!`
`17:41.41`	`Shouryuu_`	`~shoot shouryuu_`
`17:41.42`	`purl`	`ACTION shoots shouryuu_ in the foot with a frozen turkey cannon!`
`17:42.01`	`Shouryuu`	`I downloaded the live version of kubuntu... ARGH!`
`17:45.11`	`Kirkburn`	`I don't know what that means...`
`17:46.07`	`Shouryuu`	`It's a version from which Kubuntu just launches from CD and changes nothing to your HDD. NOthing is instaled... It's kinda like if you inserted a Windows CD in a mac, and just launched windows from it`
`17:46.10`	`haste`	`live = liveCD = you don't install it`
`17:46.53`	`Kirkburn`	`hohoho`
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`17:47.51`	`Shouryuu`	`And I was trying to boot from that...`
`17:48.08`	`Shouryuu`	`Reading comprehension FTL`
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`17:51.25`	`Shouryuu`	`rawr`
`17:51.51`	`Iriel`	`Morning`
`17:53.00`	`Tain`	`Hey Iriel.`
`18:05.46`	`wereHamster`	`morning`
`18:13.50`	`Kirkburn`	`The spam, the spam!! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8308895&p=1&tmp=1#post8308895`
`18:14.12`	`Kirkburn`	`(the forum was filled with those about 2 mins ago)`
`18:17.41`	`Industrial`	`I need a really wicked name for my female undead`
`18:17.55`	`Kalroth`	`Wicked!`
`18:18.00`	`Industrial`	`She looks really really bad :P`
`18:18.00`	`Wobin_`	`UndedChik`
`18:18.07`	`Wobin_`	`ThreeDaysDead`
`18:18.21`	`Wobin_`	`UglyAsSin`
`18:18.27`	`Industrial`	`I tried searching though english-latin dictionaries`
`18:18.30`	`Industrial`	`indexes of demons`
`18:18.31`	`Industrial`	`etc`
`18:18.33`	`Wobin_`	`Decomposed`
`18:18.34`	`Iriel`	`The last 3 are all technically against the ToS`
`18:18.52`	`Wobin_`	`Well... on a RP server, sure =P`
`18:18.55`	`Industrial`	`Wobin_: im serious :>`
`18:19.18`	`Wobin_`	`hm`
`18:19.22`	`Industrial`	`I usually just take Industrial or Graveworm`
`18:19.51`	`Wobin_`	`What class is she?`
`18:19.56`	`Iriel`	`What class is she?`
`18:19.59`	`Industrial`	`warlock`
`18:20.08`	`Industrial`	`or priest..`
`18:20.22`	`Industrial`	`lol i can never choose >_>`
`18:22.17`	`Wobin_`	`Try for a mesomatopian or babylonian goddess name`
`18:23.08`	`Wobin_`	`I like having memorable character names =P`
`18:23.13`	`Industrial`	`< LaerbeeJo> My priest's name is Meltzurface.`
`18:23.24`	`Wobin_`	`Well I bet she does =)`
`18:24.48`	`Industrial`	`woah look what i bumped into`
`18:24.51`	`Industrial`	`http://inanna.virtualave.net/index1.html`
`18:24.54`	`Industrial`	`thats so 1999 :P`
`18:26.02`	`Wobin_`	`hehe I love the music`
`18:26.46`	`Wobin_`	`This doesn't seem to be a bad resource =)`
`18:26.50`	`Wobin_`	`design notwithstanding`
`18:27.21`	`Industrial`	`yea`
`18:29.26`	`Wobin_`	`Ereschkial?`
`18:29.34`	`Industrial`	`how about Nacht`
`18:29.37`	`Industrial`	`(night)`
`18:29.50`	`Wobin_`	`boring =)`
`18:30.09`	`Industrial`	`its the dutch word for night anyway :p`
`18:31.53`	`Tain`	`A friend of mine had a site on virtualave.net, and every time she linked something I always thought it said "virtual slave" .net`
`18:32.07`	`Industrial`	`hehe`
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`21:12.58`	`Cairenn`	`bunch of E3 videos for those that want to see: http://www.allakhazam.com/e3/`
`21:14.40`	`zenzio`	`well that was fun... just finished a guild UBRS run, got my Deflector, killed Drakkisath without wiping once... and as if to keep me on the ground one of my monitors promptly died when I was on my way out`
`21:14.52`	`zenzio`	`thankfully it's within warranty`
`21:23.30`	`Kirkburn`	`Lol, I love Drysc's reponse to this: http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/8310803.htm`
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`21:38.15`	`KarlKFI`	`moo`
`21:39.01`	`Kirkburn`	`Baa!`
`21:39.06`	`netcurse`	`allright`
`21:39.10`	`netcurse`	`we are recoding the search engine`
`21:39.12`	`netcurse`	`http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/search.html`
`21:39.16`	`netcurse`	`can you please try to search stuff`
`21:39.23`	`netcurse`	`and tell me what problems you encountered ?`
`21:39.29`	`netcurse`	`and what you would like to see`
`21:39.44`	`Industrial`	`Cairenn\|afk: lotr online looks good`
`21:39.46`	`Cide`	`searching for "raidassist" doesn't show ct_raidassist`
`21:39.47`	`Kirkburn`	`Problem: it's not loading :P`
`21:39.59`	`Cide`	`and your sorting by name is the opposite`
`21:40.15`	`Kirkburn`	`(works now)`
`21:40.18`	`Kalroth`	`"The string you submit for search is too small. The minimum length is 3 chars."`
`21:40.18`	`Cide`	`sorting by name, ascending shows the addons, but sorted descending`
`21:40.51`	`Kalroth`	`I didn't even enter anything ><`
`21:40.53`	`Kirkburn`	`I search for "clearfont", about 10 addons appear, but clearfont is number nine`
`21:41.52`	`Kirkburn`	`Addons with the search string in the name should appear first`
`21:41.54`	`Kalroth`	`you have to be logged in to search?`
`21:42.06`	`netcurse`	`ya it s bued atm`
`21:42.08`	`netcurse`	`buged`
`21:42.18`	`Kirkburn`	`(bugged ;)`
`21:45.09`	`Kirkburn`	`Can't see any other problems atm`
`21:45.36`	`netcurse`	`ok we are fixing what you just said kirk`
`21:46.58`	`Kirkburn`	`:)`
`21:47.04`	`Kalroth`	`hrmf, logging in doesn't work either :p`
`21:47.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Problem: Kalroth can't work a computer`
`21:47.22`	`Kalroth`	`Yeah, seems like it`
`21:47.28`	`Kirkburn`	`=)`
`21:47.51`	`Kalroth`	`unless it's two different accounts for addon pages and forum, of course`
`21:47.55`	`Kalroth`	`the forum login works fine`
`21:47.57`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge zenzelezz (n=zenzelez@ti131310a080-3090.bb.online.no)`
`21:48.53`	`netcurse`	`Kalroth you didn t manage to log from the sitre ?`
`21:48.54`	`netcurse`	`site`
`21:49.08`	`Kalroth`	`netcurse: Nope, it wouldn't accept login/password`
`21:49.16`	`Kalroth`	`do I have to activate it through email first?`
`21:49.23`	`netcurse`	`nop`
`21:49.27`	`Kalroth`	`(I am logged in on the forum)`
`21:49.36`	`netcurse`	`and not on the site ?`
`21:49.42`	`Kalroth`	`yup, not on the site`
`21:50.09`	`Kalroth`	`odd, it's the vbulletin error message I get :)`
`21:50.14`	`Kalroth`	`"You have used 4 out of 5 login attempts. After all 5 have been used, you will be unable to login for 15 minutes."`
`21:50.23`	`netcurse`	`hm`
`21:50.26`	`netcurse`	`you miss typed ?`
`21:50.39`	`Kalroth`	`not 4 times in a row :)`
`21:50.46`	`netcurse`	`it works fine for me`
`21:50.50`	`netcurse`	`you accept cookie ?`
`21:50.53`	`Kalroth`	`yup`
`21:51.00`	`Kalroth`	`like I said, I'm logged in on the forums`
`21:51.21`	`netcurse`	`it s a new account ?`
`21:52.00`	`Kalroth`	`yeah, just tried changing the password, might be me that screwed up :P`
`21:52.04`	`Kalroth`	`hugh Kirkburn!`
`21:52.06`	`Kalroth`	`hush too!`
`21:52.20`	`netcurse`	`i can reset it`
`21:52.26`	`netcurse`	`pm me the pass you want`
`21:52.31`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm confused ... I haven't said anything for a while :(`
`21:53.08`	`Kalroth`	`Kirkburn: you were about to though`
`21:53.20`	`Kirkburn`	`heh, possibly :P`
`21:53.44`	`Industrial`	`http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-2471-1-auctionfilterplus.html`
`21:53.48`	`Industrial`	`kci needs this`
`21:53.49`	`Industrial`	`:o`
`21:54.08`	`Tain`	`I use that, helps a lot.`
`21:54.33`	`Cide`	`http://81.226.233.5/healingtest.php - if anyone cares`
`21:54.40`	`Cide`	`I've only implemented priest though`
`21:54.44`	`Cide`	`and not all of the talents`
`21:54.58`	`Kalroth`	`sweet`
`21:55.25`	`Cide`	`it basically shows how much DPS you can heal through without going out of mana before the fight ends`
`21:55.53`	`Cide`	`shows some interesting things; your HPS will always be the largest with heal rank 4 (sustained throughout the fight) if the fight is decently long`
`21:56.55`	`Kalroth`	`yup, a lot of priests scale down to 4/5`
`21:57.26`	`Cide`	`err`
`21:57.29`	`Cide`	`with heal rank 2, I mean`
`21:57.33`	`Kalroth`	`oh, 2?`
`21:57.36`	`Cide`	`ya`
`21:57.38`	`Kalroth`	`that's a bit low, isn't it?`
`21:57.47`	`Cide`	`heals about as much as a flash heal for me (+900 healing)`
`21:58.02`	`Kalroth`	`ah, well +900 is also very nice :)`
`21:58.12`	`Kalroth`	`we've only got a few oldtimers with over 900 healing`
`21:58.17`	`Kalroth`	`2 druids and 3 priests I think`
`21:58.53`	`Cide`	`http://ctprofiles.net/1 <- me`
`21:59.02`	`Cide`	`haha, wow`
`21:59.09`	`Cide`	`900 exactly`
`21:59.18`	`Cide`	`it was actually an approximation when I wrote it...`
`21:59.25`	`Kalroth`	`FSR means?`
`21:59.30`	`Cide`	`five second rule`
`21:59.44`	`Kalroth`	`ahh, the mana regen kickback`
`21:59.47`	`Cide`	`yep`
`22:00.24`	`netcurse`	`http://www.wowguru.com/db/profiles/net-id410145/`
`22:00.30`	`netcurse`	`havn t play for 4 month tho :o`
`22:01.17`	`netcurse`	`arg this isn t updated`
`22:01.23`	`netcurse`	`i was full t2 when i quit`
`22:02.49`	`netcurse`	`o btw we solved the last comments problems, it was parsing the month of april and not may lol`
`22:02.56`	`Kirkburn`	`Cide, IE7 flags your link as suspicious! :)`
`22:03.51`	`Kalroth`	`lol`
`22:04.04`	`Kalroth`	`well the page isn't proper html at all :p`
`22:04.31`	`netcurse`	`%Regen in FSR:`
`22:04.35`	`netcurse`	`what does this mean cide ?`
`22:04.38`	`netcurse`	`and time`
`22:04.56`	`Kalroth`	`it's the "five second rule"`
`22:05.14`	`netcurse`	`ya i guess so but i d like to know the exact tems`
`22:05.25`	`Kalroth`	`5 seconds after you heal you're still "in combat"`
`22:05.43`	`Kalroth`	`but after that, spirit regen kicks in`
`22:05.55`	`Kalroth`	`so 0-5 seconds is pure mana/sec regen`
`22:06.05`	`Kalroth`	`5+ seconds is mana/sec + spirit regen`
`22:06.12`	`Kalroth`	`if I got it right, I'm not a healer :)`
`22:06.58`	`Cide`	`oh`
`22:07.12`	`Cide`	`netcurse: if you have meditation OR transcendence 3/8, that is = 30`
`22:07.14`	`Cide`	`err, sorry`
`22:07.18`	`Cide`	`netcurse: if you have meditation OR transcendence 3/8, that is = 15`
`22:07.31`	`Cide`	`if you have meditation AND transcendence 3/8, that is = 30`
`22:07.42`	`Kalroth`	`oh I wasn't ;)`
`22:08.01`	`Cide`	`you described`
`22:08.04`	`Cide`	`%Time in FSR:`
`22:08.10`	`Kirkburn`	`Cide, that is an excellent tool!`
`22:08.26`	`Cide`	`Kirkburn: why does it flag it as suspicious? :)`
`22:08.32`	`Cide`	`thanks :)`
`22:08.40`	`Kirkburn`	`Probably because it uses an IP address`
`22:08.44`	`Cide`	`or do you mean the one for "Link this page: [Link]"`
`22:09.00`	`Cide`	`which right now is extremely long, I didn't bother with any fancy way to link to the values used`
`22:09.05`	`Cide`	`(for example: http://81.226.233.5/healingtest.php?class=1&healing=900&spirit=300&mpfs=300&mana=7000&regenInCombat=30&fightLength=180&timeInFSR=50&chanceToCrit=0&innerfocus=0&powerinfusion=1&holyspec=0&imphealing=0&divinefury=5&spihealing=0)`
`22:09.09`	`Kirkburn`	`Cripes`
`22:09.34`	`Kirkburn`	`That version isn't flagged as a possible phising site`
`22:09.39`	`Kirkburn`	`*phishing`
`22:09.42`	`Kirkburn`	`Intruiging`
`22:10.38`	`Cide`	`it seems to work pretty well though`
`22:10.51`	`Cide`	`if I max my regen, Heal (R2) maxes out at 2.5sec per cast`
`22:10.56`	`Cide`	`err, castable every 2.5s`
`22:11.02`	`Cide`	`which limits its dps healed`
`22:11.32`	`Cide`	`so if you further increase your mana regen, other spells end up taking the first spot since they can be cast more often`
`22:11.47`	`Cide`	`right now I get.. Heal Rank 3 -> Heal Rank 4 -> Heal Rank 2`
`22:19.27`	`netcurse`	`ok cide ty`
`22:25.12`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge zenzelezz_ (n=zenzelez@ti131310a080-6906.bb.online.no)`
`23:10.51`	`Industrial`	`http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/2207/wowscrnshot0514060109090jb.jpg`
`23:11.00`	`Industrial`	`IEF needs a WAY smaller error display`
`23:11.32`	`Industrial`	`actually, the chat frame is more helpful....`
`23:12.45`	`Tain`	`Tried Bugsack?`
`23:14.19`	`Industrial`	`yes`
`23:15.33`	`KarlKFI`	`spose we could resize IEF if there's only 1 error..`
`23:16.06`	`KarlKFI`	`probably more effort than it's worth tho, since 2 errors fills the display`
`23:17.19`	`KarlKFI`	`tho you can just have them not show until you click the button..`
`23:18.12`	`KarlKFI`	`imo it should be wider...`
`23:18.41`	`Kirkburn`	`Lol, just tries resizing a picture - it scaled to 1337 pixels wide :)`
`23:19.04`	`KarlKFI`	`how did it scale to an odd number?`
`23:19.22`	`KarlKFI`	`nm`
`23:19.42`	`Kirkburn`	`Um, why does the size matter? :)`
`23:20.10`	`KarlKFI`	`you resized, no scaled, so it doesn't`
`23:20.10`	`Industrial`	`KarlKFI: the text needs to be smaller. way smaller. like chat frame size smaller.`
`23:20.22`	`KarlKFI`	`your face needs to be smaller`
`23:20.36`	`Industrial`	`ORLY?`
`23:21.08`	`KarlKFI`	`stope getting errors newb, then it wont matter`
`23:22.51`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=MentalPo@host-70-45-84-10.onelinkpr.net)`
`23:23.51`	`Miravlix_`	`Really is an affront to all developers that people get errors`
`23:24.02`	`Industrial`	`no Miravlix_`
`23:24.15`	`Industrial`	`KarlKFI is like the chuck norris of developers`
`23:24.19`	`KarlKFI`	`write perfect code, duh`
`23:24.23`	`Miravlix_`	`Here we work hard to bring new UI functionality to them and all they do is ruin it`
`23:25.00`	`Industrial`	`KarlKFI doesnt get errors. and when one wants to occur it fixes itself because KarlKFI is KarlKFI`
`23:25.40`	`KarlKFI`	`that must be why i can never reproduce all those errors newb whine about`
`23:25.40`	`Miravlix_`	`My code never has bugs, just limited functionality.`
`23:26.37`	`Miravlix_`	`Now if I could say the same for Blizzard...`
`23:26.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, at least theirs does stuff ;)`
`23:26.58`	`Miravlix_`	`But there limited functionality = unplayable wow. I'm tired of FPS issues`
`23:26.59`	`KarlKFI`	`personally, if I don't want to see errors, i hide them. If I do want to see errors, I want to SEE them, not squint at my screen`
`23:27.02`	`Industrial`	`It being dysfunctional and lacking functionality are two different shortcomings.`
`23:27.08`	`Miravlix_`	`Haven't been able to play WoW lag free for months`
`23:27.33`	`Industrial`	`Miravlix_: what happpend with a clean interface folder?`
`23:27.37`	`Industrial`	`happens*`
`23:27.54`	`Miravlix_`	`Used to live in Alterac Valey for a month or two with no issues`
`23:28.09`	`Miravlix_`	`Now I can't even fight a solo mob`
`23:28.20`	`Miravlix_`	`Nothing to do with addons`
`23:28.20`	`Kirkburn`	`I wish Blizz would make wallpapers for widescreen monitors`
`23:28.29`	`Miravlix_`	`My FPS is identical with or without addons`
`23:28.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Well, that's actually surprising in itself`
`23:29.05`	`Miravlix_`	`I'm standing at the bank in Darnassus with 8-12 fps`
`23:29.16`	`Kirkburn`	`Wait, FPS isn't based on lag ...`
`23:29.26`	`Cide`	`I haven't read your issue, Miravlix_, but have you wiped your WDB folder?`
`23:29.38`	`Kirkburn`	`lol, cide`
`23:29.42`	`Cide`	`no, seriously`
`23:29.49`	`Kirkburn`	`No, just the way you said it`
`23:29.54`	`cladhaire`	`it can make a huge difference.`
`23:29.55`	`Cide`	`haha, well`
`23:29.57`	`Miravlix_`	`Hmm, not in a while.`
`23:30.02`	`Cide`	`I guess it sounded like a GM said it :)`
`23:30.07`	`Kirkburn`	`"I haven't got a clue what's you said, but do this anyway"`
`23:30.09`	`Cide`	`but I'd suggest that you wipe your WDB folder`
`23:30.17`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah me too`
`23:30.23`	`KarlKFI`	`wipe your face!`
`23:30.27`	`Miravlix_`	`Yeah, I've noticed speed differences after wiping WDB`
`23:30.50`	`Kirkburn`	`If the cache gets messed up, I wouldn't be surprised if it causes problems in WoW speed`
`23:30.55`	`Miravlix_`	`I actually considered wiping it after every patch day, but I do loss some functionality`
`23:31.10`	`Kirkburn`	`By deleting the WDB?`
`23:31.17`	`KarlKFI`	`it should wipe automaticly when patching imo`
`23:31.27`	`Cide`	`pretty sure it DOES`
`23:31.33`	`Cide`	`well`
`23:31.41`	`Cide`	`after entering the game it should (and I think it does)`
`23:31.41`	`KarlKFI`	`the items and quests do i know`
`23:31.52`	`Cide`	`yeah, they're wiped`
`23:31.55`	`Cide`	`not sure about the others`
`23:34.58`	`Miravlix_`	`I might have gained 2-3 fps doing that`
`23:35.03`	`Miravlix_`	`wiping WDB`
`23:38.04`	`Kirkburn`	`WOW`
`23:38.25`	`Kirkburn`	`Er, well, perhaps you should turn down your settings?`
`23:38.27`	`Kirkburn`	`New drivers?`
`23:38.32`	`Kirkburn`	`Defrag?`
`23:38.39`	`Kirkburn`	`Free up HD space?`
`23:38.50`	`Miravlix_`	`I have 60 GB free`
`23:39.04`	`Miravlix_`	`I defrag every time my machine goes to screensaver`
`23:39.09`	`Kirkburn`	`Is you computer running as good as it always has?`
`23:39.11`	`Miravlix_`	`I have minimal settings`
`23:39.18`	`wereHamster`	`reboot?`
`23:39.30`	`Kirkburn`	`zomg`
`23:39.36`	`Miravlix_`	`I have my video driver set to max performance`
`23:39.49`	`Kirkburn`	`ATi or nVidia?`
`23:40.02`	`Miravlix_`	`The game USED to work, so I'm 100% sure it's WoW thats doing something differently`
`23:40.18`	`Miravlix_`	`I played for 8 months with no probelms and 30+ FPS`
`23:40.28`	`Miravlix_`	`I didn't even lag in Ironforge`
`23:40.35`	`Kirkburn`	`How long ago did the probs start/`
`23:40.36`	`Kirkburn`	`?`
`23:40.48`	`Miravlix_`	`Nvidia 5800`
`23:40.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Driver number then :)`
`23:41.07`	`Miravlix_`	`Latestest`
`23:41.18`	`Miravlix_`	`But Nvidia hasn't updated the 5800 support in a year`
`23:41.23`	`Miravlix_`	`It's a pretty old card`
`23:41.40`	`Kirkburn`	`How do you know they haven't?`
`23:41.46`	`Miravlix_`	`Haven't really been a reason for me to update the driver for 10 months or so`
`23:41.53`	`Miravlix_`	`Because I can read changelogs?`
`23:42.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Well, yeah, but general tweaks wouldn't make it in`
`23:42.13`	`Kirkburn`	`It's only shows problems solved`
`23:42.27`	`Kirkburn`	`(84.12 here)`
`23:42.29`	`Miravlix_`	`Nvidia use unfified drivers`
`23:42.54`	`Miravlix_`	`The updates is for never drivers supported, they don't update the code for old ones all the time`
`23:42.55`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm well versed :) I often use leaked beta drivers`
`23:43.12`	`Kirkburn`	`As I'm doing currently, in fact :P`
`23:43.33`	`Miravlix_`	`If they released independent drivers, they wouldn't have made a new one for 5800 in a year or so`
`23:43.33`	`Kirkburn`	`Well, anyway ... a clean driver install may help`
`23:43.43`	`Miravlix_`	`I just reformatted`
`23:43.58`	`Miravlix_`	`Week or two ago now.`
`23:44.04`	`Kirkburn`	`So from a clean install you're still getting identical problems?`
`23:44.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Or WoW on unformatted drive?`
`23:44.19`	`Miravlix_`	`Yes, because the problems is Blizzards fault`
`23:44.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Or an ISP problem.`
`23:44.32`	`Miravlix_`	`Been threads about it on the tech forums for months`
`23:44.44`	`Miravlix_`	`I wouldn't get FPS lag due to my isp`
`23:44.54`	`Miravlix_`	`and I have no latency issues`
`23:44.59`	`Miravlix_`	`Running at 30-40ms`
`23:45.50`	`Kirkburn`	`Can I just point out that when most people say 'lag' it is equivalent to meaning bad latency`
`23:45.52`	`Miravlix_`	`Hmm, how do you deal with an API call returning garbage?`
`23:46.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Thus I've been barking up the wrong tree all this time`
`23:46.25`	`Miravlix_`	`Lag is a general word meaning many things`
`23:46.53`	`Miravlix_`	`If my editor is slow in loading, it's lag.`
`23:46.55`	`Kirkburn`	`If I asked anyone I knew, they'd say it meant bad latency`
`23:47.05`	`Miravlix_`	`If an addon cripples my performance it's lag`
`23:48.00`	`Kirkburn`	`Okay, well to everyone I talk to it's bad latency :) Anyways, that's a really odd issue.`
`23:48.07`	`Miravlix_`	`Thats just crap`
`23:48.33`	`Kirkburn`	`Miravlix_, I'm not gonna argue with you. I think I know my friends better than you.`
`23:48.35`	`Miravlix_`	`Most people don't really understand lag.`
`23:49.17`	`Miravlix_`	`It was fine 10-20 years ago when all we had was round trip times.`
`23:49.42`	`Miravlix_`	`But these days it's a much more general word and very few understand what travel time to server is.`
`23:50.33`	`Kirkburn`	`I can't think of anything else you can do :S`
`23:51.10`	`Miravlix_`	`All I can do is hope my new dual core and 7800 GFX will be so fast I wont notice it.`
`23:51.18`	`Kirkburn`	`I can only think of the RAM as a possible problem`
`23:51.22`	`Miravlix_`	`It will still be there.`
`23:51.30`	`Miravlix_`	`Naah, it's wow`
`23:51.31`	`Kirkburn`	`I hope so too :P`
`23:51.38`	`Miravlix_`	`The problem doesn't exist in any other game`
`23:51.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Ah fair enough`
`23:51.54`	`Kirkburn`	`When do you get it?`
`23:51.58`	`Miravlix_`	`Wow in patch 1.5 or so had a major performance drop on nvidia`
`23:52.01`	`Kirkburn`	`(the new PC)`
`23:52.03`	`Miravlix_`	`and now again with 1.10`
`23:52.18`	`Kirkburn`	`Oh, have you got the mouse lag option turned off?`
`23:52.29`	`Kirkburn`	`If you have it on, turn it off now!`
`23:52.37`	`Miravlix_`	`Never had a reason to use it`
`23:52.52`	`Miravlix_`	`I've all settings set to the maximum FPS settings`
`23:53.12`	`Kirkburn`	`You're sure it's off?`
`23:53.19`	`Miravlix_`	`Yes.`
`23:53.40`	`Kirkburn`	`Damn, I know that was one of the main things that gave nVidia people probs`
`23:53.44`	`Miravlix_`	`Kirk; I've used computer and been a SysAdmin most of my life, I usually get paid to know this stuff.`
`23:54.07`	`Kirkburn`	`Well, why did you ask then? =)`
`23:54.24`	`Miravlix_`	`I was complaining about Blizzard. :p`
`23:54.42`	`Miravlix_`	`I don't recall asking any question. :/`
`23:55.05`	`Kirkburn`	`Oh shush, the conversation turned to helping you :)`
`23:55.07`	`Miravlix_`	`My machine with the FPS problems wow has isn't playable anymore`
`23:55.24`	`Kirkburn`	`So when do you get the new PC?`
`23:55.27`	`Miravlix_`	`And I dang well feel like bitching about it.`
`23:56.16`	`Miravlix_`	`Not sure, my mother is having some financial issues, and I've ha dto lend her my nest egg`
`23:56.47`	`Kirkburn`	`:(`
`23:57.23`	`Miravlix_`	`Though, I'm fairly sure I wont survive this summer with this machine, it doesn't deal well with 30C +`
`23:57.38`	`Kirkburn`	`You, or the PC? ;)`
`23:58.33`	`Miravlix_`	`I don't deal all to well with heat, but I doubt it will kill me.`

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