| 00:00.08 | ckknight | why, Legorol? |
| 00:00.08 | Adrine | I wonder how it'll be handled for non-expansion customers |
| 00:00.11 | Legorol | i'm wondering if they will have some sort of transport between BE zones and the rest |
| 00:00.14 | Kirk|Mr_Wiggles | I guess there will be blimps |
| 00:00.20 | Adrine | Will non-expansion people be able to use BOE drops that drop in expansion zones? |
| 00:00.22 | zespri_work | my friend who just started playing thinks that there is no point for him to buy the expamsion because he won't have lvl 60 by then |
| 00:00.44 | Kirk|Mr_Wiggles | No, BEs must stay in Quel'thalas until they're 20 and big enough to go into the big world! |
| 00:00.50 | Adrine | You can hit 60 in just under 2 weeks if you want to, as a paladin in my guild just did :P |
| 00:00.50 | Legorol | zespri, i have been playing this game for a year and a half and i don't have a level 60 :D |
| 00:00.53 | Legorol | yet i'm getting the expansion |
| 00:00.55 | Adrine | Just over 9 days /played I think. |
| 00:01.01 | zespri_work | Legorol, I know |
| 00:01.07 | Kirk|Mr_Wiggles | Cos you can't play BE or [other] without it |
| 00:01.11 | Adrine | Ok. I'm out of here. Take it easy folks. |
| 00:01.15 | Kirk|Mr_Wiggles | byee |
| 00:01.21 | Cairenn | later Adrine|GoneEreda |
| 00:01.24 | Legorol | lol Cairenn |
| 00:01.31 | Legorol | you want to be taken through MC in a 10-man? ;-) |
| 00:01.31 | Adrine|GoneEreda | Weh name limits ;_; |
| 00:01.34 | Tain | I may have my third 60 by then. :/ |
| 00:01.37 | Kirk|Mr_Wiggles | nice name Adrine|GoneEreda ;) |
| 00:01.42 | Legorol | although you do have a point |
| 00:01.45 | zespri_work | I have a 60 a 40 a 35 a 30 and lots of lowbies, Legorol, so I know what you are talking about =) |
| 00:01.48 | Adrine|GoneEreda | I wanted EredarWTF |
| 00:01.51 | Adrine|GoneEreda | But it didn't work. |
| 00:01.53 | Adrine|GoneEreda | Anyway. Later. |
| 00:01.56 | Legorol | i'd hate to think that my questing efforts at 60 are going to waste without the expansion |
| 00:02.11 | Legorol | aaaanyway |
| 00:02.27 | Kirk|Its_Eredar_ | Er, too late |
| 00:02.34 | Kirk|Its_Eredar_ | 2am is shut down normally |
| 00:03.35 | Legorol | actually, normal shutdown is 5am CEST, and 3am CEST on patch days |
| 00:03.54 | Kirk|Its_Eredar_ | I've just realised, I've been sending you humourous comments Cairenn, but I thought you were ignoring me. Except, er, well, you haven't received them at all, have you? Damn name restictions ... |
| 00:04.15 | Kirk|Its_Eredar_ | Ah, well have fun Legorol :) |
| 00:04.25 | Legorol | thanks |
| 00:04.26 | Cairenn | that would be correct, haven't seen a thing other than what you've been saying in channel |
| 00:08.12 | KarlKFI | that's odd |
| 00:08.56 | KarlKFI | if you put a symlink of your harddrive in your interface folder wow goes into an infinite loop when you try to open it |
| 00:09.08 | Kirov | http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/ve3d/image/article/706/706436/viva-piata-screenshots-20060509041428091.jpg |
| 00:09.13 | Kirov | This game looks awesome |
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| 00:12.00 | zespri_work | KArl, I think Legorol messed with symlinks alot and even made a batch to quickly switch between different copies of Interface/WDB/WTF |
| 00:12.18 | zespri_work | So it's somehow posible |
| 00:12.26 | zespri_work | unless it's very recent bug |
| 00:12.50 | KarlKFI | i take that back. if you put a symlink of your hardrive anywhere in the wow folder it wont finish openning |
| 00:14.00 | KarlKFI | tries to infinitely verify |
| 00:14.29 | Kirkburn | Lol, the Penny Arcade comic on Viva Pinata was excellent :P |
| 00:14.44 | KarlKFI | well, guess I get to scrap that plan for my music player |
| 00:14.59 | KarlKFI | tho if you make the symlink while wow is running it works fine |
| 00:16.44 | KarlKFI | spose i could make some logic to find some parent folder common to all music files that wont include the wow folder path.. |
| 00:17.11 | KarlKFI | sounds liek a pain |
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| 00:18.19 | Kaelten | hello |
| 00:18.39 | Cairenn | hey Kaelten |
| 00:18.48 | Kaelten | heya cair |
| 00:19.22 | Tain | That rotten orphan tricked me. |
| 00:19.41 | Tain | I thought I only had to drag that little rugrat to three places. |
| 00:20.05 | Kirov | lol |
| 00:21.16 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 00:22.23 | KarlKFI | ok, so i need a fast way to loop through 4000+ file paths and remove the common prefix in all of them |
| 00:22.26 | KarlKFI | any ideas? |
| 00:22.55 | Kirov | find a good keyboard? |
| 00:23.16 | KarlKFI | any helpful ideas? |
| 00:23.33 | KarlKFI | needs to be done programaticly so i can repeat it |
| 00:23.49 | Kirov | find a good programable keyboard? |
| 00:24.04 | KarlKFI | shutup kirov |
| 00:26.15 | Iriel|working | KarlKFI | sed |
| 00:26.24 | KarlKFI | sed? |
| 00:26.35 | Iriel|working | sed -e 's:^/some/common/file/path::' filepaths.txt |
| 00:26.57 | KarlKFI | ok, but i dont know the common file path |
| 00:27.03 | zespri_work | I ususally do this stuff with a ten line script in c#. But I'm under windows, not Mac |
| 00:27.29 | KarlKFI | the language is irrelevent, I'm doing it in python |
| 00:27.45 | KarlKFI | i need a method that I can do with the least amount fo passes |
| 00:27.54 | Kirov | holy fuck, the guys at curse gaming just fucked up |
| 00:27.55 | KarlKFI | and least text manipulation |
| 00:28.14 | MentalPower | Kirov: huh? |
| 00:28.25 | KarlKFI | Test |
| 00:28.30 | Kirov | I just got spammed with 280 e-mails from them |
| 00:28.34 | Kirov | in the course of 3 minutes |
| 00:28.37 | Wobin_ | ow |
| 00:28.42 | SilverShadow | yea.. its happening all over. sorry about that. |
| 00:28.42 | Wobin_ | Their server is down again too |
| 00:28.44 | KarlKFI | i bet they got hacked |
| 00:28.58 | Kirov | Silver - damn you! |
| 00:29.07 | KarlKFI | 280 is nothing |
| 00:29.07 | Kirov | The best is the link goes to a page that says "test" |
| 00:29.09 | Kirov | awesome |
| 00:29.10 | Kirov | hehe |
| 00:29.34 | KarlKFI | try 300,000 in the course of a day or two, from my last flood |
| 00:29.39 | Iriel|working | KarlKFI: You'd need 2 passes |
| 00:29.48 | KarlKFI | ya that's the best i can think of |
| 00:30.02 | Iriel|working | Unless you end up at / part way through |
| 00:30.05 | Iriel|working | then you can stop early |
| 00:30.19 | KarlKFI | ya |
| 00:30.47 | KarlKFI | ok so if I end at / can i somehow do it to find the least amount of common parents? |
| 00:31.03 | KarlKFI | say, if i have files on 2 hard drives |
| 00:31.43 | KarlKFI | or how bout this... afaik I just need it to not be recursive with the wow folder |
| 00:31.50 | KarlKFI | so if I specify the wow path |
| 00:32.00 | KarlKFI | how would i avoid it |
| 00:32.12 | KarlKFI | and find the least number of common paths |
| 00:32.26 | Iriel|working | Are you walking the drive looking for files? |
| 00:32.36 | KarlKFI | no, I have all the file paths |
| 00:32.42 | Iriel|working | Oh, pity |
| 00:32.56 | Iriel|working | if you're walking the drive you can save yourself some time |
| 00:32.58 | Elviso | KarlKFI, if you don't mind me being nosy...what is it you're trying to do? |
| 00:33.05 | Wobin_ | Anyone here a combat rogue? |
| 00:33.14 | Iriel|working | My guess is minimize the number of symbolic links required for the mp3 thing |
| 00:34.00 | KarlKFI | I have a script that converts itunes playlists to lua readable music data, and i can access any music file I want, I just need a viable path using a shortcut or symlink from the addons folder |
| 00:34.21 | KarlKFI | but if I symlink the hardrive anywhere in the wow folder wow never boots |
| 00:34.45 | KarlKFI | because it goes into an endless recursive loop trying to verify all the files in the wow folder |
| 00:35.25 | Elviso | I'm not an expert on *nix filesystems, but could you not set it to hidden to hide it from WoW? |
| 00:35.26 | Iriel|working | Do you mean if you symlink from the wow folder to a location below it? |
| 00:35.35 | KarlKFI | yes |
| 00:36.00 | Iriel|working | KarlKFI : I wouldn't think THAT would be too hard to avoid, i'm not sure I fully get why you want to be looking for longest-common-prefix |
| 00:36.26 | KarlKFI | longest common prefix would just be to avoid wow recursing it all |
| 00:36.38 | KarlKFI | itterating* |
| 00:36.39 | Iriel|working | Assuming the longest common prefix isn't / |
| 00:36.43 | KarlKFI | right |
| 00:37.15 | KarlKFI | which in my case it's not, but it wouldn't be a foolproof way |
| 00:37.35 | KarlKFI | but 2passes isn't that bad.. |
| 00:37.56 | KarlKFI | however i have no idea how to write something to avoid a path or parent path completely |
| 00:38.29 | Kirkburn | Night night everyone :) |
| 00:38.37 | KarlKFI | i spose i would have to split the wow path into a string for each parent |
| 00:38.42 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn|Spleep |
| 00:38.58 | KarlKFI | and then compare all x parents with each song path |
| 00:39.19 | KarlKFI | move all conflics to a sepperate table |
| 00:39.50 | Iriel|working | Well, you know where wow is |
| 00:39.52 | KarlKFI | then loop the non-conflicts and the conflicts for sepperate common prefixes |
| 00:40.07 | Iriel|working | so just link single songs for anything directly off of its parent |
| 00:40.08 | KarlKFI | assuming i know where wow is, I can have it input i spsoe |
| 00:40.45 | KarlKFI | that's possible but I want to avoid creating 4000+ symlinks like I was doing before |
| 00:40.53 | Kirkburn|Spleep | Before I leave ... "Spell drops are being added to allow Mages to Polymorph targets into pigs or turtles, in addition to sheep." |
| 00:41.16 | KarlKFI | squires and frogs are my fav.. |
| 00:41.30 | KarlKFI | squirels* |
| 00:41.37 | Kirkburn|Spleep | squirrels? :P |
| 00:41.42 | KarlKFI | w/e |
| 00:41.55 | Kirkburn|Spleep | Although a bunch of squires running around would be interesting |
| 00:42.04 | Kirkburn|Spleep | "Do my bidding!" |
| 00:42.26 | Tain | hahaha Curmugeon's Payoff |
| 00:42.39 | Tain | "For those who like telling orphans that there's no Father Winter..." |
| 00:43.02 | Iriel|working | KarlKFI : You'd only have a few symlinks |
| 00:43.16 | Iriel|working | KarlKFI : Unless you put your library upstream of wow |
| 00:43.32 | KarlKFI | right |
| 00:44.02 | KarlKFI | so how do I avoid conflict, do the 2pass way and check for conflict on the 1st pass? |
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| 00:47.13 | Iriel|working | Assuming you know where wow is, you can do one pass |
| 00:47.52 | Iriel|working | Suppose wow is in /usr/local/WorldOfWarcraft/ |
| 00:48.05 | Iriel|working | then if your music is in /var/music/abc.mp3, you can just link /var |
| 00:48.24 | Iriel|working | if your music is in /usr/local/music, you'd have to link /usr/local/music |
| 00:48.37 | Iriel|working | if it's /usr/share/music, you'd have to link /usr/share |
| 00:49.12 | Iriel|working | Essentially you need longest common subpath between WoW and the file in question |
| 00:49.33 | Iriel|working | then tack on whichever element follows it |
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| 00:51.56 | KarlKFI | looks like you were using shortest common path |
| 00:52.08 | Iriel|working | no, thats always / |
| 00:52.33 | KarlKFI | oh of wow path and song path +1 |
| 00:52.47 | Iriel|working | Yes. |
| 00:53.05 | Iriel|working | Then of course, any song under the linked path doesn't need a new link |
| 00:57.20 | KarlKFI | mmk |
| 00:57.33 | KarlKFI | thx |
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| 01:12.45 | ckknight | how do you get the texture of your main hand weapon? |
| 01:14.40 | Tem | GetInventoryItemTexture |
| 01:14.46 | Tem | GetInventoryItemTexture("unit",slot) |
| 01:15.01 | Tem | main hand is 16, iirc |
| 01:15.12 | Tem | but you should use GetInventorySlotInfo |
| 01:15.34 | Tem | so for the player's main hand slot it would be: GetInventory |
| 01:15.46 | Tem | stupid shift key... |
| 01:16.27 | Tem | so for the player's main hand slot it would be: GetInventoryItemTexture("player",GetInventorySlotInfo("MainHandSlot")) |
| 01:17.02 | Tem | ugh someone screwed up the wiki |
| 01:17.32 | Tem | oh, alright it's fine |
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| 02:13.07 | Cairenn | okay, the turtle is cute too |
| 02:14.53 | Tain | I'll hug him and squeeze him and call him George. |
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| 02:24.54 | ToastTheif | hey guys |
| 02:25.07 | ToastTheif | is there a simple way to display the health and mana of my target? |
| 02:25.21 | ToastTheif | like 4000/4000 (100%) |
| 02:26.47 | KarlKFI | define simple |
| 02:26.49 | cmunn | Define Simple? |
| 02:26.52 | cmunn | heh |
| 02:27.02 | ToastTheif | like the easiest way possible? |
| 02:27.27 | ToastTheif | I only want it on the target frame |
| 02:27.36 | ToastTheif | the default WoW target frame that is |
| 02:28.08 | cmunn | MobInfo-2 will do it I believe |
| 02:28.22 | ToastTheif | that's a lot of extra stuff |
| 02:28.24 | ToastTheif | that I don't really want |
| 02:28.33 | ToastTheif | maybe I'll just go look at some code |
| 02:28.39 | ToastTheif | figure out how to do it |
| 02:28.49 | ToastTheif | it seems simple enough |
| 02:29.10 | cmunn | You don't have to look at the other stuff :-p |
| 02:29.23 | ToastTheif | well WoWWikki, w/e |
| 02:31.59 | ToastTheif | well |
| 02:32.19 | ToastTheif | I assume I should do something with UnitMana/MaxMana and UnitHealth/MaxHealth |
| 02:32.39 | ToastTheif | ManaMax and HealthMax rather |
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| 02:37.23 | KarlKFI | what lvl do i need to be to learn heavy runecloth bandages? |
| 02:40.23 | cmunn | 290 First Aid |
| 02:40.32 | KarlKFI | thx |
| 02:41.28 | cmunn | np |
| 02:45.16 | ToastTheif | so |
| 02:45.21 | ToastTheif | how do I set text to a frame? |
| 02:45.26 | Cairenn | a needle pulling thread |
| 02:46.35 | cmunn | Zing. |
| 02:52.19 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep, sweet dreams |
| 02:52.44 | clad|sleep | night =) |
| 02:52.51 | clad|sleep | bf just left without saying goodnight.. will you yell at him for me =( |
| 03:01.13 | ToastTheif | well |
| 03:01.16 | ToastTheif | so far I hvae |
| 03:01.18 | ToastTheif | ./script SendChatMessage(UnitHealth("target") .. "/" .. UnitHealthMax("target"), "SAY", nil) |
| 03:04.16 | KarlKFI | you're not gonna be able to macro it |
| 03:04.38 | KarlKFI | needs an update function |
| 03:07.21 | cmunn | He's gone. |
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| 03:14.29 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 03:14.38 | Cairenn | hi Esamynn |
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| 03:55.20 | Osagasu | So Cair, are you getting to go to E3 this year? I haven't been around enough to know. :< |
| 03:56.14 | Cairenn | >< |
| 03:56.20 | Osagasu | I'll take that as a no. |
| 03:56.33 | Cairenn | I was *supposed* to be there, got canned at the last minute |
| 03:56.56 | Cairenn | the plans got canned, I mean |
| 03:57.12 | KarlKFI | i got canned too, /cry |
| 03:58.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, we all know they need to keep the Girls:Guy ratio at E3 at least 25:1, not counting staff and promoters. That way they don't have to start hiring Booth Boys! |
| 04:04.30 | Cairenn | yeah, well, whatever |
| 04:05.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | Bah sorry Cairenn, I'll stop bugging you. |
| 04:05.42 | Cairenn | is okay |
| 04:05.49 | Cairenn | just disappointed |
| 04:06.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | I can be more humorous! I'll try harder next time! I know this joke, it starts -- OK, so a Priest, a Shaman, a Druid, and a Paladin walk into a bar... |
| 04:07.14 | Cairenn | the hunter has enough brains to duck :p |
| 04:07.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | Crap, you heard this one too! |
| 04:10.34 | Osagasu | all the buffering from the e3tv progrqam is gonna drive me nuts |
| 04:10.39 | sancus | yep, looks like the sets are ilvl 105 at the top end |
| 04:10.41 | sancus | freakin crazy |
| 04:10.57 | Osagasu | eh? |
| 04:11.53 | sancus | priest helm is 25sta 24int 29spi +89 healing 7mp5 |
| 04:13.00 | Osagasu | Personally I'm not expecting them to finish Naxx until after the expansion. |
| 04:13.07 | Osagasu | the payers, I mean. |
| 04:13.09 | Osagasu | *players |
| 04:13.23 | sancus | they will |
| 04:13.27 | sancus | 2-3 months |
| 04:34.31 | MentalPower | sancus, where are you getting this info? |
| 04:39.56 | sancus | http://www.malicesb.net/wapnew/tier-3.php |
| 04:40.05 | sancus | thats a whataboutpp.com mirror site |
| 04:40.07 | sancus | well |
| 04:40.12 | sancus | I knew this stuff before from my own sources |
| 04:40.24 | sancus | but thats just triple confirmation |
| 04:41.21 | sancus | chest plate stats are still odd |
| 04:41.29 | sancus | but they might have done a reversal |
| 04:41.32 | KarlKFI | agil yet? |
| 04:41.35 | sancus | and chest is one of the first items you get |
| 04:41.38 | sancus | so its low on the stagger |
| 04:41.55 | sancus | agil? |
| 04:45.21 | KarlKFI | they've denied pallied agil |
| 04:45.59 | sancus | are you asking about pally set stats |
| 04:46.19 | sancus | cause I dont know |
| 04:46.29 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 04:46.40 | sancus | tell you if I did, though! |
| 04:46.46 | sancus | they're 9 piece sets, which is gonna be fun |
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| 05:03.23 | Esamynn | I thought E3 didn't start until tomorrow |
| 05:03.30 | Cairenn | Expo is tomorrow |
| 05:03.42 | Cairenn | Conference is already underway |
| 05:03.53 | Esamynn | ahh ok |
| 05:06.43 | Esamynn | I've been wondering all day how much of this information that is floating around was legit and how much was just conjecture |
| 05:08.28 | Cairenn | depends on where it is coming from ... some is conjecture, some is accurate |
| 05:08.46 | Cairenn | you have to look at where is providing the report |
| 05:14.15 | sancus | the set info is accurate |
| 05:14.20 | sancus | but you'll just have to take my word on that :) |
| 05:14.41 | sancus | I rarely say things without having confirmed them via 2 seperate sources that have previously been correct, though, and in this case, that set info is confirmed by 3 |
| 05:16.21 | Esamynn | hehe, that's what I wanted someone to say :P |
| 05:17.35 | sancus | There are some interesting quirks on the gear though |
| 05:25.58 | Esamynn | that caster ledgendary..... yep, that's ledgendary |
| 05:36.54 | Esamynn | one of the reasons I love open source documentation, you get stuff like this: "If you change this on a server already in use, it will break all of the outstanding working copies and your users will hunt you down with pitchforks and flaming torches." |
| 05:42.16 | MentalPower | lol nice |
| 05:42.24 | MentalPower | is that for some sort of version control? |
| 05:47.49 | MentalPower | anyways, goodnight guys |
| 05:48.04 | Esamynn | correct |
| 05:48.19 | Esamynn | it was on one of the dav config directives |
| 05:48.27 | Esamynn | night Mental |
| 05:49.24 | Cairenn | okay, I'm out, night guys |
| 05:50.21 | Esamynn | night |
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| 06:03.11 | s|loup | hi |
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| 06:17.09 | Esamynn | hiya |
| 06:17.41 | [MoonWolf] | hi |
| 06:17.54 | Esamynn | yay!, progress (on getting my SVN server setup) ;) |
| 06:20.08 | Esamynn | hmm, now to figure out what umask Dav is going to use on me, probably not the one I want, oh well, I can fight with that tomorow |
| 06:20.10 | Esamynn | night all; |
| 06:20.33 | [MoonWolf] | night |
| 06:23.08 | kremonte | anyone know the formula for tradeskills? as in orange yellow green gray |
| 06:23.48 | [MoonWolf] | not a clue |
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| 07:54.25 | Wobin_ | I <3 Wallace and Gromit |
| 07:55.50 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 07:59.01 | [MoonWolf] | ~whalehug wallace and gromit |
| 07:59.02 | purl | ACTION Persuades a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh to hug wallace and gromit |
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| 08:03.58 | Kirkburn|Uni | See ya later guys |
| 08:06.09 | Kirkburn|Uni | ahh, 2 seconds before i leave, i sneeze and get a nosebleed |
| 08:07.14 | Kirkburn|Uni | dammit |
| 08:07.21 | ckknight | ~emulate cookie monster |
| 08:07.23 | purl | "C" is for cookie, that's good enough for me. Oh....cookie,cookie,cookie starts with "C". |
| 08:07.23 | s|loup | eredar new ally race omg |
| 08:07.52 | Kirkburn|Uni | :) |
| 08:08.02 | Kirkburn|Uni | appears so |
| 08:08.06 | ckknight | it's not official yet, is it? |
| 08:08.11 | Kirkburn|Uni | no |
| 08:08.48 | [MoonWolf] | its not god damn eredar |
| 08:08.48 | ckknight | I think the Eredar myth is to throw off the scent before tomorrow |
| 08:08.51 | [MoonWolf] | I refuse to beleive it. |
| 08:08.53 | Kirkburn|Uni | The forums are swamped with (afaik) fan fiction lore for them |
| 08:08.54 | Wobin_ | oh |
| 08:08.55 | ckknight | as do I |
| 08:09.06 | Wobin_ | For a second there I thought Cookie monster was the new ally race |
| 08:09.08 | [MoonWolf] | it meight look like eredar, but its not. |
| 08:09.13 | ckknight | lol, Wobin_ |
| 08:09.14 | [MoonWolf] | Wobin_, imba. |
| 08:09.15 | Kirkburn|Uni | ... |
| 08:09.19 | ckknight | you know how awesome that'd be? |
| 08:09.33 | [MoonWolf] | racial ability, eat cookies! |
| 08:09.34 | ckknight | forums aren't necessarily true, no matter the quantity |
| 08:09.34 | Kirkburn|Uni | quite? |
| 08:09.49 | Kirkburn|Uni | ckknight read what i wrote again |
| 08:09.57 | ckknight | where? |
| 08:10.09 | Kirkburn|Uni | "fan fiction lore" |
| 08:10.18 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:10.22 | Wobin_ | oxymoron =P |
| 08:10.25 | [MoonWolf] | you mean that one piece of crappy text ? |
| 08:10.36 | Kirkburn|Uni | it's hard typing with one hand... |
| 08:10.44 | Wobin_ | you want the term 'fanon' as opposed to 'canon' =P |
| 08:10.50 | Kirkburn|Uni | the other holding a tissue ;) |
| 08:11.27 | wereHamster | how can I change the global environment for a single lua file? |
| 08:11.38 | wereHamster | setfenv(0, {...}) doesn't work :( |
| 08:12.11 | ckknight | really? |
| 08:12.12 | Kirkburn|Uni | the resemblance to eredar cannot be denied, though |
| 08:12.22 | ckknight | does not mean they are not Draenei |
| 08:12.30 | ckknight | uncorrupted Draenei |
| 08:12.37 | ckknight | or something to that regard |
| 08:12.46 | [MoonWolf] | whatever they are |
| 08:12.49 | [MoonWolf] | their damn ugly |
| 08:13.01 | [MoonWolf] | I mean tauren are not nice looking , but those things are yagh. |
| 08:13.15 | [MoonWolf] | did you see the picture with the robes ? |
| 08:13.37 | Elkano | nothing beats female dwarfs when it comes to ugly ;) |
| 08:14.40 | Kirkburn|Uni | heh |
| 08:15.15 | Wobin_ | I dunno |
| 08:15.19 | Kirkburn|Uni | Nope, doesn't mean they're not a type of Draenei ... however, they are more akin to Eredar than any known Draenei in those piccies |
| 08:15.37 | Wobin_ | I've seen some humans in my dwarf's dress... and *shudder* Teal blue does not suit some models =P |
| 08:15.55 | Wobin_ | Despite being the best non-epic healing robe =P |
| 08:16.03 | Kirkburn|Uni | (all known Draenei have no nose and two fingers, unlike the mural race) |
| 08:16.10 | Wobin_ | No nose? |
| 08:16.13 | Wobin_ | How do they smell? |
| 08:16.17 | Kirkburn|Uni | Awful! |
| 08:16.33 | Wobin_ | And y'know, two fingers would be horrible. |
| 08:16.36 | ckknight | Kirkburn|Uni, the corrupted ones, maybe |
| 08:16.41 | ckknight | but what about the uncorrupted ones? |
| 08:16.48 | Wobin_ | a lack of dexterity...opposible thumbs... |
| 08:16.54 | Kirkburn|Uni | Why would corruption remove a nose an two finhers? |
| 08:16.58 | Elkano | well, we'll know in a few hours, won't we? |
| 08:17.01 | Kirkburn|Uni | (they still have thumbs) |
| 08:17.03 | ckknight | who knows? |
| 08:17.03 | Wobin_ | They fell off? |
| 08:17.10 | Wobin_ | LEPERZ |
| 08:17.17 | krka|work | what's the latest idea: wisps in eredar form? |
| 08:17.26 | Kirkburn|Uni | Kinda, yeah |
| 08:17.39 | ckknight | There are no more barriers to cross. All I have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the viscious and the evil, all the mayhem I have caused, and my utter indifference toward it, I have now surpassed. |
| 08:17.46 | ckknight | My pain is constant and sharp, and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape. But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis. |
| 08:17.50 | Kirkburn|Uni | At least, that's the fan fiction that's spread over the forums atm. I'm pretty sure it's fan fiction anyway |
| 08:17.51 | ckknight | My punishment continues to allude me, and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant ...nothing. |
| 08:18.18 | Kirkburn|Uni | eh? |
| 08:18.30 | Kirkburn|Uni | eldue, not allude, surely |
| 08:18.33 | Kirkburn|Uni | *elude |
| 08:18.41 | ckknight | ah, my bad |
| 08:18.45 | ckknight | whatever |
| 08:18.50 | ckknight | know the movie it's from? |
| 08:19.00 | Kirkburn|Uni | (My punishment continues to pretend to be me? :P ) |
| 08:19.03 | Kirkburn|Uni | Nope |
| 08:19.09 | ckknight | American Psycho |
| 08:19.10 | ckknight | good movie |
| 08:19.14 | Kirkburn|Uni | yup |
| 08:19.25 | ckknight | that's what he says at the end |
| 08:19.51 | ckknight | ~emulate kermit |
| 08:22.19 | Industrial | hmmm |
| 08:22.22 | Industrial | reminds me of a song |
| 08:22.40 | Industrial | from children of bodom |
| 08:22.41 | Industrial | :P |
| 08:22.49 | Kirkburn|Uni | Wow, developers only found out about the motion sensing stuff on the PS3 pad ONE WEEK AGO |
| 08:23.06 | Kirkburn|Uni | Talk about tacked on ... |
| 08:24.55 | ckknight | ~emulate kermit is <reply>It's not easy being green, having to spend each day the color of the leaves, when I think it could be nicer being red or yellow or gold, or something much more colorful like that |
| 08:24.56 | purl | ckknight: okay |
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| 08:27.53 | Elkano | "*pssst* wanna by an 'e'?" |
| 08:28.06 | Elkano | morning NeT |
| 08:28.56 | Kirkburn|Uni | No, Elkano, but you might wanna buy a 'u' |
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| 08:29.27 | ckknight | Ellol |
| 08:29.30 | ckknight | lol* |
| 08:29.32 | Kirkburn|Uni | It's the E3 booth ... again! http://thisisgame.com/board/files/0/img/20060510072257_8b1f897b.jpg |
| 08:29.33 | ckknight | I remember that |
| 08:29.35 | ckknight | that was great |
| 08:29.49 | Kirkburn|Uni | It ain't easy being greeeen! |
| 08:29.54 | Elkano | well, I've been out of 'u' vocals lately so may be a good idea... ;) |
| 08:30.13 | ckknight | I have the it's not easy being green song |
| 08:30.31 | ckknight | it's actually a pretty reasonable song in its own right |
| 08:31.31 | Kirkburn|Uni | Right, let's see if I can leave without sneezing again ... |
| 08:32.13 | ckknight | my nose only bleeds on the full moon |
| 08:32.28 | Kirkburn|Uni | heh |
| 08:32.54 | Kirkburn|Uni | toodles! |
| 08:42.22 | ckknight | man, Miss Piggy's not a good role model |
| 08:42.38 | ckknight | I mean, she continuously sexually harassed Kermit |
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| 08:58.25 | Industrial | ckknight: don't forget the physical abuse |
| 08:58.30 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:58.34 | ckknight | all those karate chops |
| 08:58.45 | ckknight | and the blatand cosmopolite materialism |
| 08:58.54 | Industrial | :p |
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| 09:22.33 | Elkano | ItemDBFu is out :) my first released FuBar plugin \o/ |
| 09:24.54 | Maldivia | hmm... E3 opens at 9am PDT, right? |
| 09:35.59 | Industrial | Elkano: what does it _do_ ? |
| 09:39.05 | Wobin_ | Kerrrrrmiiiiee! |
| 09:40.00 | Wobin_ | Miss Piggy: "You've got meshmarks..." Kermit: "You're wearing my moustache..." |
| 09:40.11 | Elkano | id, it simply shows the output of /itemdb status in the tooltip ^^ |
| 09:41.11 | Wobin_ | Random woman eating dinner with her husband: "Dear? What's that noise?" Husband: "I'm not sure dear, it sounds like there's a pig climbing the wall of our house..." |
| 09:41.45 | Wobin_ | Industrial: Finally got folding working =P |
| 09:41.50 | Wobin_ | In vim |
| 09:42.35 | Industrial | lol |
| 09:42.39 | Industrial | yay \o/ |
| 09:43.06 | Wobin_ | with the spacebar toggle |
| 09:43.11 | Wobin_ | makes it so much easier |
| 09:43.24 | Industrial | eh? |
| 09:43.34 | Industrial | i just move into a fold to open it |
| 09:43.38 | Industrial | with l |
| 09:43.46 | Wobin_ | if I hit spacebar in normal mode it toggles the fold |
| 09:43.54 | Industrial | that too |
| 09:44.41 | Industrial | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-70449010942275062 |
| 09:44.43 | Industrial | interstging |
| 09:44.44 | Industrial | :P |
| 09:44.46 | Industrial | sadffasd |
| 09:44.52 | Industrial | typo... more caffeine.. |
| 09:45.04 | Industrial | afk |
| 09:48.03 | Wobin_ | alas |
| 09:48.08 | Wobin_ | googlevideo is blocked |
| 09:48.34 | Corrodias | blocked? do you live in china? |
| 09:49.12 | Corrodias | oh my god, he is so gay |
| 09:50.36 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 09:50.39 | Wobin_ | I do =P |
| 09:50.57 | Wobin_ | Industrial: How do I set it up so all the tabcomlpetion works? |
| 09:56.59 | Maldivia | finally found the video with the screenshots from yesterday... |
| 09:59.35 | Kirkburn|Uni | link? |
| 09:59.43 | Maldivia | mms://windyvod.hvod.nefficient.co.kr/windyvod/thisis/E3 2006/WoW_E_Intro.wmv |
| 09:59.55 | Kirkburn|Uni | odd link |
| 10:00.30 | Kirkburn|Uni | That was the most pointless uni lesson I've ever been to |
| 10:01.06 | Kirkburn|Uni | Well THAT'S not faked :) |
| 10:01.20 | Industrial | Wobin_: tabcompletion? |
| 10:01.31 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 10:01.42 | Wobin_ | start typing, hit tab, word fills in |
| 10:01.44 | Wobin_ | tab to cycle |
| 10:02.11 | Wobin_ | It was doing that with the config files you sent me =) |
| 10:02.13 | Industrial | thats a plugin |
| 10:02.20 | Wobin_ | And I got used to it =) What's it called? |
| 10:02.26 | Industrial | SuperTab |
| 10:02.28 | Industrial | vim.org |
| 10:02.30 | Industrial | :) |
| 10:02.35 | Wobin_ | ta |
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| 10:02.58 | Industrial | np |
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| 10:05.03 | Wobin_ | Is there a command to reload config/plugins? |
| 10:05.43 | Industrial | theres :source |
| 10:05.48 | Industrial | but it doesnt do everything |
| 10:05.54 | Industrial | restarting is usually best |
| 10:11.30 | Maldivia | looking forward to the official download from blizzard, with sound... |
| 10:12.31 | Kirkburn|Uni | mmm |
| 10:12.37 | Kirkburn|Uni | Outland looks nice |
| 10:12.52 | Kirkburn|Uni | It doesn't have that much impact without the sound |
| 10:13.01 | Kirkburn|Uni | Or the name of the race :P |
| 10:13.22 | Kirkburn|Uni | In fact, why isn't the race name mentioned in the text ... |
| 10:23.16 | Maldivia | hmm, new alliance race racial: +x% to hit aura |
| 10:24.35 | Industrial | hit aura? |
| 10:25.19 | Maldivia | aura, that grants +% to hit |
| 10:25.46 | Maldivia | seems a bit overpowered, in a PvE perspective... |
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| 10:26.19 | Industrial | cool :P |
| 10:26.46 | Elviso | Maldivia: what's new |
| 10:27.33 | Industrial | ~poke Elviso |
| 10:27.35 | purl | ACTION grabs a syringe |
| 10:28.00 | Industrial | purl: literal poke |
| 10:28.14 | Industrial | purl: poke |
| 10:28.20 | Industrial | hm |
| 10:28.37 | Maldivia | hmm... |
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| 10:30.41 | Maldivia | hmm, some of those tier 3 set bonuses are... wow |
| 10:31.10 | Kirkburn|Uni | That racial is quite possibly made up (along with the whole story) |
| 10:31.39 | Wobin_ | Is there a good blp viewer? |
| 10:31.42 | Wobin_ | Or mass converter? |
| 10:31.51 | Wobin_ | ~literal poke |
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| 10:32.11 | ckknight | ~literal poke $1 |
| 10:32.12 | purl | ACTION grabs a syringe |
| 10:32.18 | Wobin_ | heh |
| 10:32.21 | ckknight | ~listkeys poke |
| 10:32.31 | ckknight | ~literal poke (.*?) |
| 10:32.33 | purl | ACTION grabs a syringe |
| 10:32.39 | Wobin_ | ~poke poke poke |
| 10:32.40 | purl | ACTION grabs a syringe |
| 10:32.48 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.18 | Maldivia | Wobin: try WowImage |
| 10:40.58 | ckknight | that Django guy is really gay |
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| 10:42.43 | Kirkburn|Uni | ... |
| 10:42.49 | Kirkburn|Uni | why? |
| 10:47.47 | ckknight | I dunno |
| 10:47.58 | ckknight | 10% of the population is |
| 10:48.05 | ckknight | give or take |
| 10:48.42 | Industrial | well.. umm.. and/ |
| 10:48.43 | Industrial | :p |
| 10:49.17 | Industrial | ~literal poke |
| 10:49.23 | Industrial | ~literal ~poke |
| 10:49.37 | Industrial | ~poke purl |
| 10:49.38 | purl | ACTION grabs a syringe |
| 10:49.41 | Industrial | :P |
| 10:51.12 | ckknight | ~poke poke poke |
| 10:51.14 | purl | ACTION grabs a syringe |
| 10:57.10 | Maldivia | lol... |
| 10:57.11 | Maldivia | " Spell drops are being added to allow Mages to Polymorph targets into pigs or turtles, in addition to sheep. This will help mages seperate "who poly'd what?" and add some flavor to Poly." |
| 10:58.53 | wereHamster | where did you get that from? |
| 10:59.39 | Maldivia | Tseric posted that on the mage forum |
| 10:59.57 | wereHamster | is that for real? |
| 11:00.01 | Maldivia | yep |
| 11:00.21 | Maldivia | I like it :) |
| 11:00.38 | Maldivia | who sheep... ehh, pigged that warrior ? |
| 11:01.24 | wereHamster | will mages get several poly spells or just one which randomly chooses the animal? |
| 11:03.02 | Elkano | oh my god... thanks godess that WoW GMs aren't that way... http://bannable-offenses.blogspot.com/ |
| 11:03.27 | Kirkburn|Uni | wereHamster, new spell drops |
| 11:03.44 | Kirkburn|Uni | wereHamster, you should be able to choose, turtle, pig or sheep |
| 11:04.15 | Kirkburn|Uni | I assume the turtles will be increased in size ... |
| 11:05.03 | wereHamster | or pandas? |
| 11:06.31 | Kirkburn|Uni | Elkano, is that real? What game? |
| 11:08.13 | Kirkburn|Uni | Great blog :P |
| 11:10.52 | wereHamster | GM Call Description: Player stole money from me. .. it's like the bank-robber who sued the bank for not having enough money or something similarly stupid.. |
| 11:12.31 | Maldivia | well it's the US... a burglar can sue the owner of the house he's robbing for cutting himself on a kitchen knive... and win... |
| 11:14.21 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 11:15.37 | Miravlix | The code is perfect, so why doesn't it work! |
| 11:16.19 | Miravlix | Actually that part is a horrible hack, but anyway. |
| 11:19.16 | Miravlix | I'll have to write it properly later, but the idea was to do a quick solution and speed optimize it later. |
| 11:24.17 | Kirkburn|Uni | Lots of interesting details in that vid, Maldivia (http://windyvod.hvod.nefficient.co.kr/windyvod/thisis/E3%202006/WoW_E_Intro.wmv) |
| 11:24.36 | Kirkburn|Uni | Morning! |
| 11:24.54 | Cairenn | hey |
| 11:25.19 | s|loup | morning cairenn |
| 11:25.30 | Cairenn | hey s|loup |
| 11:28.09 | Kirkburn | Wish I'd never gone in this morning, waste of 2 hours :( |
| 11:28.52 | Kirkburn | Lecture started ages late, and I couldn't see or hear a damn thing going on |
| 11:34.04 | ckknight | Django looks pretty cool, I must say |
| 11:38.28 | netcurse | first 3e movie release : http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/ |
| 11:39.58 | Maldivia | net: you mean this one: mms://windyvod.hvod.nefficient.co.kr/windyvod/thisis/E3 2006/WoW_E_Intro.wmv ? |
| 11:40.49 | netcurse | let me check if it s the same one |
| 11:41.34 | Maldivia | It is |
| 11:41.56 | Maldivia | still waiting for the official release on the wow site, so we have sound aswell :) |
| 11:43.24 | [MoonWolf] | I think you can wait a long time before blizzard puts anything up on their site |
| 11:43.40 | [MoonWolf] | I am desperatly waiting for notes on whatever speech is going to be made |
| 11:43.51 | [MoonWolf] | and that speech better not include the word eredar! |
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| 11:44.21 | [MoonWolf] | eeeuh |
| 11:44.34 | [MoonWolf] | curse yust went and DIED on me. |
| 11:44.45 | Maldivia | "Now, with their very existance threatened, these Eredar -- demon in form, Night Elf in mind -- have made an impassioned plea to join the Alliance." |
| 11:44.56 | [MoonWolf] | netcurse, whats going on ? |
| 11:45.21 | [MoonWolf] | my mind refuses the accept that. |
| 11:45.30 | Elkano | wow... 404s on links... |
| 11:45.43 | [MoonWolf] | 404's on the whole site. |
| 11:46.04 | Elkano | nope, not the base url |
| 11:46.06 | Maldivia | "We are encountering a slightly problem with the database, it should be fixed within the hour." from the curse frontpage |
| 11:46.15 | Elkano | - Final Tunning in progress - 70% |
| 11:46.32 | netcurse | we geting it up again |
| 11:46.43 | netcurse | to much strange stuff happening servers going down for no reason |
| 11:46.52 | netcurse | this is :( |
| 11:47.11 | [MoonWolf] | 40000 people trying a new location for the movie killed it ? |
| 11:47.26 | Kirkburn | 11am PST peeps |
| 11:47.39 | netcurse | na hte file were on an another host |
| 11:47.57 | Kirkburn | Assuming no-one leaks before IGN is allowed to post the info |
| 11:48.11 | Kirkburn | (think it's PST, might be wrong) |
| 11:48.30 | Cairenn | it'll be PST |
| 11:48.33 | Elkano | hat will be in ? hrs? |
| 11:48.38 | [MoonWolf] | what would PST translated into gmt be ? |
| 11:48.49 | Cairenn | it's currently .... 4:48 PST |
| 11:49.01 | [MoonWolf] | am or pm ? |
| 11:49.03 | Cairenn | am |
| 11:49.16 | Kirkburn | lol, as if pm :P |
| 11:49.27 | Cairenn | if I mean pm, I'd indicate, or use 24hr clock |
| 11:49.38 | [MoonWolf] | kk |
| 11:49.38 | Cairenn | otherwise, it's safe to assume I mean am |
| 11:49.44 | Maldivia | 11am PDT to other timezones: http://www.mip.sdu.dk/~tyrant/time2.php?time=11:00:00 |
| 11:49.54 | [MoonWolf] | damnit thats 7 hours from now. |
| 11:50.02 | Kirkburn | mmm |
| 11:50.06 | Maldivia | hmm... I have to fix that script... :9 |
| 11:50.14 | Maldivia | it used to work :) |
| 11:50.15 | Cairenn | pst = GMT - 7 |
| 11:50.54 | Maldivia | are times in PST or PDT ? |
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| 11:51.07 | Kirkburn | What's the difference? |
| 11:51.16 | Maldivia | PDT = with daylight savint, PST = without |
| 11:51.32 | Cairenn | meh, I can never keep track whether D is summer or winter |
| 11:51.52 | Kirkburn | Far too complicated |
| 11:52.03 | Kirkburn | I think we can all agree, something will come when E3 opens its doors :) |
| 11:53.07 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 11:53.23 | Miravlix | Isn't the E3 video the official announcement? |
| 11:53.46 | Kirkburn | Not if it's taken on a handheld camera :P |
| 11:54.05 | Miravlix | Well, it was Blizzard that OFFICIALLY palyed the video |
| 11:54.22 | Maldivia | Cairenn: Pacific Daylight Time... ? :) |
| 11:54.29 | Kirkburn | It was a shaky cam recording of the trailer playing on a screen |
| 11:54.35 | Miravlix | I really doubt someone managed to fake running that video on there video equipment |
| 11:54.39 | Kirkburn | No sounds, obviously a test |
| 11:54.59 | [MoonWolf] | the worst thing is that ciarenn most likely knows and cant tell us. |
| 11:55.13 | Cairenn | *does* |
| 11:55.17 | Kirkburn | No, it was taken at the Blizz booth. I do wonder why they started playing it, but perhaps it was orchestrated this way anyway, to build suspense |
| 11:55.24 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, it might NOT be eredar and something completly different looking like them |
| 11:55.29 | Maldivia | anyway, fixed my script so it actually shows the time with daylightsaving for all US timezones :) |
| 11:55.32 | [MoonWolf] | because the eredar themselves... it doesnt work for me. |
| 11:55.49 | [MoonWolf] | Cairenn, I have great respect that you are able to keep secrets like that. |
| 11:55.57 | Industrial | --^ |
| 11:56.00 | Maldivia | it's really not that hard ... |
| 11:56.02 | Cairenn | yes, you will get me to confirm (finally) that I *do* know |
| 11:56.02 | Kirkburn | No it won't be the exact same as Archimonde's version |
| 11:56.05 | Maldivia | ... you just don't tell anyone |
| 11:56.22 | Industrial | Maldivia: thats very hard |
| 11:56.30 | Maldivia | Industrial: not at all |
| 11:56.35 | Industrial | anyone ever installed postgresql on windows? |
| 11:56.55 | Maldivia | Industrial: only if you're weak, and are easy to pursuade... |
| 11:57.07 | Kirkburn | Maldivia, shouldn't Cairenn be answering that question. She's the one who would know how hard it is :) |
| 11:57.08 | Industrial | Maldivia: yeah, thanks |
| 11:57.09 | Industrial | :P |
| 11:57.42 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: well, Caireen isn't the only one with information which can't be announced... |
| 11:58.04 | Kirkburn | Pertaining to what? WoW? |
| 11:58.40 | Maldivia | well, WoW or anything else for that matter... |
| 11:58.50 | Cairenn | lots of folks know lots of things |
| 11:58.56 | Miravlix | Hmm, you get 5 gold for finishing the Orphan quests. |
| 11:59.01 | Kirkburn | Or a pet |
| 11:59.08 | Maldivia | I want my turtle!! |
| 11:59.36 | Kirkburn | Become a mage and make them yourself :P |
| 11:59.37 | Elkano | hmm... another useless pet? why not... :) |
| 11:59.44 | Elkano | ??? |
| 11:59.45 | Maldivia | I am a mage :9 |
| 11:59.52 | Kirkburn | Even better! |
| 12:00.13 | Kirkburn | Well, I'm off to Uni now ... ciao for now! |
| 12:00.21 | Maldivia | ciao |
| 12:00.22 | Industrial | bye |
| 12:00.41 | Miravlix | The 5 gold was nice, I don't want any of the pets this year |
| 12:00.57 | Industrial | i want a zergling :< |
| 12:01.44 | [MoonWolf] | Cairenn, not enough people not under a Non Disclosure agreement know those things. |
| 12:01.47 | ckknight | how hard would it be to become a GM? |
| 12:01.48 | Miravlix | My damn CC was broken and before I got it fixed there was no pre-orders left |
| 12:01.53 | snurre | ckknight: easy |
| 12:02.35 | ckknight | cause, I think it'd be awesome |
| 12:02.39 | ckknight | do I need credentials |
| 12:02.41 | ckknight | ? |
| 12:03.01 | Miravlix | You need to apply for a job like everything else |
| 12:03.25 | snurre | the two main criterias are customer service/support and gaming experience.. |
| 12:03.27 | ckknight | well, obviously |
| 12:03.41 | ckknight | in response to Miravlix, I mean |
| 12:03.44 | ckknight | yea, I figured, snurre |
| 12:04.06 | [MoonWolf] | so if I work in a helpdesk for a year I can be a gm, if I am willing to move to france ? |
| 12:04.07 | snurre | http://worldofwarcraft.com/jobs/ i suppos |
| 12:04.28 | snurre | [MoonWolf]: if they see you fit for the job, why not? |
| 12:04.41 | Miravlix | EU has some multi lingual requirements |
| 12:04.46 | snurre | english |
| 12:04.49 | snurre | thats all you need to know |
| 12:04.51 | [MoonWolf] | I can speak english and dutch and frisian. |
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| 12:05.01 | [MoonWolf] | french is not required. I know that much. |
| 12:05.10 | Industrial | ew french :< |
| 12:05.22 | [MoonWolf] | there was a thread about a dude wanting to apply asking thundgot questions about it. |
| 12:05.23 | Miravlix | If your a GM on a french server, then French is required |
| 12:05.34 | snurre | well duh... :p |
| 12:05.40 | [MoonWolf] | I dont want to be on a french server. |
| 12:05.47 | snurre | same for german and spanish ofcourse.. but WTF would you wanna be there anyway |
| 12:06.02 | Industrial | localistation ftl |
| 12:06.12 | ckknight | I'm enUS |
| 12:06.13 | Industrial | small userbase ftw |
| 12:06.14 | Industrial | :P |
| 12:06.25 | Industrial | localisation* |
| 12:06.36 | Cairenn | [MoonWolf]: not enough people under NDA know what things? |
| 12:06.45 | [MoonWolf] | the things we want to know. |
| 12:06.53 | Cairenn | ah |
| 12:07.01 | [MoonWolf] | names for certain races and things like that. |
| 12:07.19 | snurre | NDA sucks |
| 12:07.30 | ckknight | NDA has a purpose |
| 12:07.44 | Cairenn | not everyone under NDA actually has *friends* in the industry, as well ... there's a difference |
| 12:08.12 | snurre | I don't like NDAs :( |
| 12:09.33 | Cairenn | I'm under NDA "professionally" ... I'm under respect for my friends "personally" |
| 12:09.51 | ckknight | if only I lived in California... |
| 12:10.11 | Cairenn | I'm not about to abuse years of trust and friendship just so I can say "the race is X" |
| 12:10.38 | snurre | I'm under NDA professionally and unfortunately I even have to keep that for my close rl friends, even family |
| 12:10.42 | zenzelezz | aha! So we can rule out Xenomorphs! |
| 12:10.52 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: rofl |
| 12:11.28 | ckknight | xenomorphs? |
| 12:11.47 | zenzelezz | "it's a bug hunt" |
| 12:11.51 | Cairenn | no xenophobiacs, either ;) |
| 12:12.07 | [MoonWolf] | Cairenn, nobody ever even though or asked you too. |
| 12:12.25 | Cairenn | [MoonWolf]: I know |
| 12:12.46 | Cairenn | [MoonWolf]: just answering the question of "how hard is it to sit on the info" ... for me, not hard at all |
| 12:13.01 | [MoonWolf] | kk |
| 12:13.32 | Cairenn | although I have to admit, I'm itching today ... ;) |
| 12:13.53 | Cairenn | but not that type of itch ;) |
| 12:14.04 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 12:14.21 | ckknight | if I keep scratching, will your leg start moving back and forth like a dog's? |
| 12:14.28 | [MoonWolf] | its all the hype and the forum talk and the almost there feeling. |
| 12:14.37 | snurre | Cairenn: I think it's damn hard tbh :( |
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| 12:15.27 | ckknight | I'm not gonna read the forum topics about it until there's an official statement |
| 12:16.09 | [MoonWolf] | ckknight, most likely she will put her claws all the way in your arm. |
| 12:16.14 | [MoonWolf] | cats tend to do that. |
| 12:16.25 | ckknight | man, I dated a girl like that |
| 12:16.46 | Cairenn | depends on just how badly you get the bliss-overload going on ;) |
| 12:16.49 | ckknight | by the time we stopped seeing each other, both my hands and my right arm were all scratched up |
| 12:16.51 | ckknight | she as a biter, too |
| 12:17.17 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 12:17.19 | ckknight | total hottie though, in all respects |
| 12:17.23 | ckknight | gamer, redhead |
| 12:17.24 | ckknight | that's about it |
| 12:17.37 | ckknight | wore a lot of chains |
| 12:17.48 | [MoonWolf] | and had cat tendencies. |
| 12:17.52 | ckknight | oh yes |
| 12:17.53 | [MoonWolf] | wow, I want her.... |
| 12:18.04 | ckknight | I think she's 16 or 17 now |
| 12:18.46 | [MoonWolf] | dannit |
| 12:18.50 | [MoonWolf] | 19 vs 17.... |
| 12:19.04 | snurre | that's a bit young.. |
| 12:19.19 | Elkano | ck, pikz? ;) |
| 12:19.27 | Industrial | --^ |
| 12:19.30 | [MoonWolf] | aw well 23 vs 20 is accaptable. |
| 12:19.42 | [MoonWolf] | *comences stalking* |
| 12:19.43 | Cairenn | dunno about where you guys are, but around here, 15'll get you 20 |
| 12:19.53 | ckknight | I dated her last year, when I was 17 |
| 12:20.07 | ckknight | Elkano, don't have pics |
| 12:20.09 | ckknight | don't think so |
| 12:20.11 | Industrial | boo |
| 12:20.13 | ckknight | lemme check my database, hang on |
| 12:20.13 | Industrial | :P |
| 12:20.16 | Industrial | yay |
| 12:20.17 | Industrial | :D |
| 12:20.18 | [MoonWolf] | Cairenn, at what age difference ? |
| 12:20.26 | Cairenn | over/under |
| 12:20.43 | [MoonWolf] | say I was 19 and dating a 15 year old ? |
| 12:20.58 | Cairenn | 15'll get you 20, if you did her |
| 12:21.09 | zenzelezz | I wonder why my country insists on having such stupid prison sentences... 21 years is the maximum for any offense |
| 12:21.16 | Industrial | dude my sis is older then that |
| 12:21.18 | Industrial | :P |
| 12:21.21 | [MoonWolf] | mine is too |
| 12:21.26 | [MoonWolf] | but you know the whole sister thing. |
| 12:21.32 | [MoonWolf] | not into it. |
| 12:21.43 | snurre | yeh, givf us sister pix! |
| 12:21.45 | [MoonWolf] | for that matter 15 years old dont really excite me much either. |
| 12:21.57 | ckknight | sorry, I think I deleted the database after I left the school |
| 12:22.03 | Industrial | ack |
| 12:22.04 | Industrial | :p |
| 12:22.07 | Industrial | snurre: no pls |
| 12:22.13 | snurre | but.... |
| 12:22.17 | Industrial | sec |
| 12:22.17 | ckknight | I kept a log on everyone in there, pics, assorted info |
| 12:22.21 | ckknight | so goddamn handy |
| 12:22.50 | snurre | aww, c'mon |
| 12:23.07 | Industrial | snurre: http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=BSKQHEN&key=BSK |
| 12:23.17 | Industrial | who is that handsome young man |
| 12:23.18 | ckknight | hot. |
| 12:23.18 | Industrial | :D? |
| 12:23.31 | ckknight | I gave you a 10, indie |
| 12:23.32 | [MoonWolf] | Cairenn, you need to be carefull with the personal information, with all the scraps I picked up over time I have a feeling I could figure out who you are if I really wanted too. |
| 12:23.34 | Industrial | yay |
| 12:23.35 | Industrial | :P |
| 12:23.41 | Industrial | bet ill make 8.0 some time |
| 12:23.51 | ckknight | yea, you're 7.9 now |
| 12:23.55 | Industrial | :-) |
| 12:24.25 | snurre | [MoonWolf]: can we really expect people to be as stalker-ish as you though? :p |
| 12:24.30 | [MoonWolf] | you should take a picture of yourself showering after a kickboxing training. |
| 12:24.31 | Industrial | Cairenn: ditto on that. But I wouldnt even want to do that. |
| 12:24.36 | [MoonWolf] | that will get the hot votes to come in. |
| 12:24.39 | zenzelezz | hm, I should update my picture... although I still look as odd |
| 12:24.42 | Industrial | [MoonWolf]: :P |
| 12:24.43 | [MoonWolf] | snurre, this is the internet. |
| 12:24.59 | [MoonWolf] | although you might start getting gay matches. |
| 12:24.59 | Industrial | zenzelezz: linky |
| 12:25.17 | Industrial | :\ |
| 12:25.31 | zenzelezz | http://home.samsen.com/zenzelezz/zenzehat.jpg |
| 12:25.47 | ckknight | (nerd) |
| 12:25.50 | ckknight | what's with the hat? |
| 12:25.53 | snurre | russian |
| 12:26.01 | Elkano | wrt "15'll get you 20" (if so understands German) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexueller_Missbrauch_von_Jugendlichen |
| 12:26.01 | Industrial | yea |
| 12:26.04 | zenzelezz | aye, Russian. Friend bought it while he was on vacation |
| 12:27.56 | Maldivia | "15'll get you 20" ? |
| 12:27.56 | Industrial | Elkano: lol at first sentence in the article |
| 12:28.35 | Cairenn | 15 years old will get you 20 years in prison in Canada, as it is statutory rape |
| 12:28.37 | Maldivia | hmm, dont see what's funny about that... |
| 12:28.53 | ckknight | I was statutorilly raped |
| 12:28.55 | ckknight | good times |
| 12:29.03 | ckknight | granted, we were a year apart |
| 12:29.06 | ckknight | but the laws are funny |
| 12:29.28 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 12:29.39 | Cairenn | (presuming one is *over* the age of consent and one is under ... if both are under, it works differently) |
| 12:29.39 | [MoonWolf] | if all cases that like that were actually prosecuted. |
| 12:29.55 | Wobin_ | What determines if a texture is on top of another if the layer is the same but the areas are juxtaposed? |
| 12:30.18 | [MoonWolf] | what frame was "active? last ? |
| 12:30.37 | [MoonWolf] | how the hell did I make that weird character ? |
| 12:31.11 | ckknight | I was 16, she was 17, because the age of consent was 17, it was technically statutory rape |
| 12:31.20 | ckknight | not like I ever filed a complaint or anything |
| 12:31.23 | ckknight | but it's still funny |
| 12:31.30 | [MoonWolf] | ah well, if it is eredar I have more alliance race I can be pissed as as a nightelf. |
| 12:31.38 | Wobin_ | They're all textures parented to the same frame |
| 12:31.50 | [MoonWolf] | Wobin_, not a clue then. |
| 12:31.51 | Industrial | ill be horde elf :P |
| 12:32.06 | Industrial | where can i find info on new classes, if any |
| 12:32.12 | [MoonWolf] | I only have nightelves as alliance, and only on one server |
| 12:32.18 | [MoonWolf] | mostly because nightelves are fun to rp. |
| 12:32.29 | Miravlix_ | I want to make a BloodElf Warrior, totally useless racials |
| 12:32.35 | Industrial | lol |
| 12:32.43 | Industrial | warlock! :P |
| 12:32.53 | Maldivia | [MoonWolf]: if you're a NE, you can't really be pissed at the "eredar" race.. |
| 12:32.59 | Industrial | im worried about the tail though |
| 12:33.01 | Industrial | + mounts |
| 12:33.04 | Industrial | on eredar |
| 12:33.27 | [MoonWolf] | yes I can and I will, my nightelf is old and has fought in the first war and he HATES demon, even reincarnated wisps with a demon body. |
| 12:33.46 | [MoonWolf] | if that really is the story behind it. |
| 12:33.55 | [MoonWolf] | and I doubt it really is. |
| 12:34.00 | Maldivia | So you judge people on the outer instead of the inner... :9 |
| 12:34.34 | [MoonWolf] | yes, my nightelf is prety superficial like that |
| 12:34.36 | Codayus | Um, yeah, that "wisps + demons = new alliance race" idea is...uh... |
| 12:34.44 | snurre | i wanted NAthrezim :( |
| 12:35.01 | zenzelezz | I think the new alliance race should be Goblins |
| 12:35.05 | [MoonWolf] | he hates dwarfs because they are drunking idiot who abuse the earth for metal, |
| 12:35.09 | Codayus | ...special. I'm going to assume that whatever the race is, the backstory does NOT involve wisps mind controlling demons. oO |
| 12:35.10 | Industrial | Mine just thinks anything not nightelf is stinky and icky |
| 12:35.13 | [MoonWolf] | he hates gnomes because they use techonology |
| 12:35.18 | [MoonWolf] | and humans because their humans. |
| 12:35.24 | Industrial | stinky humans |
| 12:35.46 | ckknight | mind control would be neat |
| 12:35.49 | ckknight | in my opinion |
| 12:35.59 | zenzelezz | hey, if you had to take off and clean 50kg+ of plate armor after each fight Industrial, you would get lazy too |
| 12:36.17 | [MoonWolf] | no excuse. |
| 12:36.26 | ckknight | why clean it? |
| 12:36.33 | Codayus | The BE's actually have a vaguely understandable backstory and motivation. And alliance race is supposed to make you go "oh, that makes sense"... |
| 12:36.36 | ckknight | let the blood encrust itself onto the armor |
| 12:36.40 | [MoonWolf] | my nightelf hunter is naive so she would be all, cool. |
| 12:36.50 | zenzelezz | ckknight: the blood is fine, it's the sweat inside |
| 12:36.53 | ckknight | ah |
| 12:36.54 | ckknight | yea |
| 12:37.00 | ckknight | I need to wash my sheets |
| 12:37.04 | Industrial | zenzelezz: why would i want to use plate armor.. |
| 12:37.16 | [MoonWolf] | bloodelves.. okay if they belong to the horde is discussable, I think they do but others have a few valid points too. |
| 12:37.16 | zenzelezz | non-plate classes are dull =D |
| 12:37.17 | [MoonWolf] | but themselves they can make sense. |
| 12:37.22 | [MoonWolf] | but eredar..... |
| 12:37.34 | [MoonWolf] | the horde wouldnt have them and neither would the alliance. |
| 12:37.50 | [MoonWolf] | and they still have no connection to outland. |
| 12:37.56 | [MoonWolf] | there is no connection to outland. |
| 12:38.05 | Codayus | Yeah, the blood elf switching to horde makes sense to me. "Okay, so they're elves...and they've gone nuts, and the whole demon magic thing is getting to them...so they sign on with horde". Okay, I'll buy that. |
| 12:38.26 | Codayus | Well, the actual eredar came from outside azeroth...so close enough. |
| 12:38.42 | Codayus | (of course, fake eredar with the minds of Night Elves would have no connection...) |
| 12:38.42 | [MoonWolf] | the actual eredar dont come from outland though |
| 12:38.57 | [MoonWolf] | and the wisps would have NO connection at all. |
| 12:39.02 | Codayus | *nod* |
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| 12:39.51 | [MoonWolf] | my vote is that they are either, the way dreanei look now... (for whatever reason), some half breed race. |
| 12:39.58 | Codayus | Well, the blue hint was something like "has a connection to", right? If they were trying to get back home, they'd have to go through the outlands. |
| 12:40.29 | [MoonWolf] | not really |
| 12:40.29 | [MoonWolf] | they live in the twisting nether. |
| 12:40.29 | Codayus | Oh, hmm. |
| 12:40.35 | [MoonWolf] | a circle of powerfull warlocks could make a portal long enough to get them there. |
| 12:40.43 | Codayus | Hrm |
| 12:40.54 | Industrial | zenzelezz: dull? you mean anything other then warrior or paladin is dull? |
| 12:40.54 | Miravlix_ | WoW as an fantasy world seldom follows the standard Black and White model of RP worlds |
| 12:40.59 | [MoonWolf] | not that with all the "normal" demons there it would be nice place to live. |
| 12:41.00 | zenzelezz | yes =) In my opinion only though |
| 12:41.11 | Industrial | zenzelezz: WHEN i get at 60 |
| 12:41.11 | [MoonWolf] | Miravlix_, agreed. |
| 12:41.11 | Miravlix_ | There is no truely good or truely evil in WoW |
| 12:41.17 | Industrial | my priest will eat your warrior |
| 12:41.18 | Industrial | :D |
| 12:41.19 | zenzelezz | the WoW item database is stored server-side, isn't it? |
| 12:41.26 | Miravlix_ | There is no race thats all out evil, it's a choice |
| 12:41.34 | [MoonWolf] | but the eredar get really really close to god damn titan corrupting evil. |
| 12:41.39 | snurre | yes, zenz |
| 12:41.51 | zenzelezz | meh... wish it was like AO's :-| |
| 12:41.54 | snurre | yah |
| 12:42.02 | Codayus | zenzelezz: Yeah |
| 12:42.04 | snurre | but that was a little too easy |
| 12:42.25 | Industrial | but the rolling mechanism of mission terminals just sucks in ao |
| 12:42.35 | snurre | lol yeh |
| 12:42.44 | Industrial | you spend money to get a generated mission and use a third party tool to keep clicking to get the right mission award.. wtf? |
| 12:42.46 | snurre | glad im no longer allowed to play ao :p |
| 12:43.02 | Codayus | Allowed? |
| 12:43.09 | Industrial | and the missions are B O R I N G |
| 12:43.10 | zenzelezz | Industrial: I just mean that I wish you could simply extract the item info from the files in your WoW directory, nothing more |
| 12:43.16 | Industrial | zenzelezz: i know |
| 12:43.17 | Industrial | :P |
| 12:43.17 | [MoonWolf] | Industrial, you did not like ao that much afterall ? |
| 12:43.23 | snurre | yeh, I'm no longer allowed (by Funcom) to ever touch the game again |
| 12:43.25 | Industrial | [MoonWolf]: im back ;) |
| 12:43.39 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, but I thought you got bored of it instead of complaints like that. |
| 12:43.45 | zenzelezz | sort of wanted to play around with something, but without that ability I doubt I can, unless someone has a downloadable version (didn't see one on Allakhazam/Thott) |
| 12:43.46 | Miravlix_ | I've played AO for 3 years or so, the rolling system worked fine for me |
| 12:44.11 | Industrial | [MoonWolf]: no its an interesting game |
| 12:44.17 | snurre | worked and worked fine are two completely different things |
| 12:44.20 | Industrial | [MoonWolf]: wow is just so much more smooth... |
| 12:44.25 | [MoonWolf] | k |
| 12:44.30 | Codayus | I dunno, the leaked images - if you beleive them - look a fair bit like the mutated Broken Draenei... |
| 12:44.30 | Miravlix_ | If you did the work you got the goods |
| 12:44.40 | Miravlix_ | It was pretty good compared to what we have in WoW |
| 12:44.56 | snurre | AO was crude and primitive.. Not a bad game of it's time, but it's rubbish compared to the competition now, due to lack of improvements |
| 12:45.24 | Codayus | Of course, the Broken swore allegiance to Illidan, and are *in* the Outlands, so that doesn't work... |
| 12:46.02 | Codayus | AO has some amazing ideas, but a lot of flaws, and poor execution... |
| 12:46.39 | snurre | Yes, AO was ruined by Funcom management imo |
| 12:46.48 | [MoonWolf] | Codayus, the bloodelves in outland are also allegianced to illidan, the plot line is that they want to go there, find out what is going on and decide to help the horde fight it in the end. |
| 12:47.00 | [MoonWolf] | the same thing could work for the draenei |
| 12:47.02 | Codayus | The instanced missions were a great idea, but boring. Contrast to WoW's instances - but the closest AO had to WoW's instances (like the cool Temple of the Winds) wearn't instanced... |
| 12:47.21 | zenzelezz | they were to some degree, but not based on teams |
| 12:47.38 | snurre | AO's single end-game raiding encounter was a non-instanced zone with 18h respawn :p |
| 12:47.51 | snurre | gg 170+ people raids |
| 12:47.51 | Codayus | Temple of the Winds? Great place. Instanced content? Great idea. AO never put the two together. :-) |
| 12:48.11 | Miravlix_ | Having to camp a single mob for a drop isn't completely hopeless, but when you make it something you have to do a 4 hour instance, you need to do 300 times... |
| 12:48.39 | Miravlix_ | The fun just disappers down the drain quickly |
| 12:48.43 | snurre | Miravlix_: I never got GPH from tara.. and I lost kill count at around 50 |
| 12:48.45 | Codayus | [MoonWolf]: Well...okay. ALthought the Broken were apparently mutated by living in the Outlands - unmutated Draenei don't really look like the leaked images. |
| 12:49.04 | [MoonWolf] | also true, but still eredar, it wont work in my head. |
| 12:49.05 | Codayus | Miravlix_: AO had plenty of drop rate lotteries too. :-) |
| 12:49.20 | Miravlix_ | Yeah, but it had global DKP bots |
| 12:49.37 | snurre | chatbots would be *awesome* in wow |
| 12:49.46 | [MoonWolf] | not it would be living hell |
| 12:49.53 | [MoonWolf] | what do chatbots do in ao anyway ? |
| 12:49.55 | Miravlix_ | It wasn't the same 40 people you keept doing the same thing with |
| 12:50.06 | Miravlix_ | You had a much more global community through the DKP bots |
| 12:50.26 | Miravlix_ | I didn't have to be in the top 10 guild to get loot |
| 12:52.02 | snurre | guilds in AO were almost nothing but chat channels |
| 12:52.05 | snurre | until NW came at least |
| 12:52.12 | Codayus | Mmm, define "get loot". You don't need to be in a top 10 guild to get epics. |
| 12:52.29 | Miravlix_ | I have to be in a BWL guild to get BWL loot |
| 12:52.50 | [MoonWolf] | true, you need to have a group that goes to bwl to get bwl loot |
| 12:52.52 | [MoonWolf] | makes sense to me. |
| 12:52.58 | Miravlix_ | I can't choose my guild because I want to hang around them, I have to choose it because of loot |
| 12:53.22 | [MoonWolf] | alliances. |
| 12:53.31 | [MoonWolf] | they work, my guild is in one. |
| 12:53.33 | Miravlix_ | It ruins community building |
| 12:53.37 | Codayus | Join a custom channel, hang out with friends? :-) |
| 12:53.48 | Codayus | Or find a guild with competent players AND whom you like? |
| 12:53.56 | Miravlix_ | Easy to say, but it doesn't work |
| 12:54.12 | Miravlix_ | They don't exist since the band together because of loot |
| 12:54.23 | Miravlix_ | not because they want to be around each other |
| 12:54.32 | Codayus | And whats stopping you getting BWL loot without being in a BWL guild is mostly that the BWL encounters are *hard*...unlike, say, AO's raiding encounters. :-) |
| 12:54.42 | Miravlix_ | The 'social' glue is wrong |
| 12:54.45 | snurre | AO encounters could be zerged |
| 12:54.56 | Codayus | Miravlix_: They exist. |
| 12:55.00 | [MoonWolf] | Miravlix_, you need 40 competent well equipped people to do it. |
| 12:55.13 | [MoonWolf] | that is simly how it works, the rest is what the community buiilds around it. |
| 12:55.21 | [MoonWolf] | if the community decides that you need guilds for it. |
| 12:55.22 | snurre | end boss could be killed with anything between 6 and 200 people |
| 12:55.24 | [MoonWolf] | then so be it. |
| 12:57.45 | Miravlix_ | WoW is a good game level 1-60, it's 60+ it totally dies for me. |
| 12:58.07 | Elkano | well, I haven't even seen the 50s... :/ |
| 12:58.07 | Miravlix_ | I like to PvP, but because of equipment disadvantage it's totally off limit to me now |
| 12:58.24 | Codayus | Miravlix_: WoW is a *different* game post 60, certainly. |
| 13:02.00 | ckknight | I'm not a fan of level caps |
| 13:02.12 | Miravlix_ | I got level 59 and 60 from Alterec Valley XP |
| 13:02.20 | Codayus | It'll be interesting to see how dynamics change with the new lvl cap... |
| 13:02.29 | ckknight | I think it should merely be exponential to such a point where it becomes foolhardy to try to level |
| 13:02.32 | ckknight | but that's just me |
| 13:03.13 | Codayus | ckknight: Addicted people will always keep leveling. :-/ |
| 13:03.24 | ckknight | not if you have an equation like x^5 |
| 13:03.28 | Codayus | Some MMOs have *really* steep curves. (AOs gets pretty bad near the end...) |
| 13:04.02 | Miravlix_ | Shadowbane, Horizons has soft caps as I recall |
| 13:04.11 | Codayus | Well, yeah. If you make levels eventually take 5k hours or constant play or something, if nothing else people would be *physicall* unable to level too far... :-D |
| 13:04.16 | Miravlix_ | You run out of monsters that give XP |
| 13:04.56 | Codayus | Heh, anyone play Eearth & Beyond? They nearly did that by accident... |
| 13:06.47 | Codayus | The game launched with very little high level content - but they promised to quickly add it. Only, the developers were owned by EA, and well, yeah...no new content. |
| 13:07.50 | Codayus | You know, of all the MMOs I've played other than WoW, E&B is the only one I ever get an urge to play again... |
| 13:08.08 | Industrial | E&B ? |
| 13:08.30 | Cairenn | Earth & Beyond |
| 13:08.34 | Industrial | e-thugz and bitchez? |
| 13:08.34 | Industrial | oh |
| 13:08.35 | Industrial | :p |
| 13:09.08 | Miravlix_ | Hmm, truely strange I keep getting BAG_UPDATE events for 5 and 6 |
| 13:09.47 | Cairenn | brb |
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| 13:10.03 | Codayus | Wish they'd released the source code... |
| 13:10.12 | Industrial | yeah |
| 13:10.28 | Industrial | release the source, copyright the content |
| 13:10.36 | Industrial | like id software \o/ |
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| 13:10.52 | ckknight | id does it well |
| 13:10.55 | Industrial | uhuh |
| 13:11.01 | Codayus | Well, okay, I wish they'd release the content too. They're terribly unlikely to ever want to resurrect the franchise. |
| 13:11.04 | Industrial | icculus.org/quake3 :-) |
| 13:11.45 | wereHamster | runs great on amd64 ;) |
| 13:11.49 | Industrial | :p |
| 13:12.00 | Industrial | one one of* |
| 13:12.16 | Industrial | all components are there.. they jus tneed to ship my baby :P |
| 13:12.39 | Miravlix_ | Why do I get BAG_UPDATE events for 5 and 6, when GetBagName(5/6) returns nil? |
| 13:15.28 | Industrial | \m/ -_- \m/ |
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| 13:24.04 | Maldivia | hmm, any shamans here? |
| 13:25.08 | Industrial | hoobaaaa jabaaaaa djaa! |
| 13:25.19 | Industrial | .. no.. whay? |
| 13:28.28 | Maldivia | was just comparing the elemental talent tree, and the mage talents a bit... |
| 13:29.32 | Industrial | you know what would suck |
| 13:29.37 | Industrial | if your email was admin@example.com |
| 13:29.49 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 13:30.43 | ckknight | http://ckknight.hopto.org:8080/dungeons_n_dragons.wmv |
| 13:31.46 | Industrial | *look* |
| 13:32.23 | Wobin_ | Miravlix_: Bank bags |
| 13:33.45 | Wobin_ | Miravlix_: Bank bags trigger Bag_update for the extra bags, or PlayerBankSlotsChanged for the main bankslots.. |
| 13:33.55 | Miravlix_ | Yeah, but it's generating events for them when there is no reason to do it |
| 13:34.09 | Wobin_ | Maybe it's a cooldown? |
| 13:34.17 | Wobin_ | Wouldn't know =) |
| 13:39.36 | Tain | Hey cool, Opera will be the web browser included on the Wii. |
| 13:40.53 | ckknight | hey, cool |
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| 13:53.01 | Kaso | Anyone know more about the GM functions, i dont really want to randomly play around with them too much. |
| 13:54.05 | wereHamster | gm functions? |
| 13:54.37 | Kaso | NewGMTicket(type,"text") UpdateGMTicket(type,"text") |
| 13:54.53 | snurre | phew, thought you were talking about forceitem and stuff :p |
| 13:55.22 | Kaso | What's that? what why is it phew worthy? |
| 13:56.10 | snurre | nothing.. :P |
| 13:56.26 | snurre | move along, nothing to see here *imitates Officer Barbrady* |
| 13:56.30 | Kaso | Ha ha |
| 13:58.06 | Kaso | Guess im gonna have to play around a bit, hope the GMs dont mind. |
| 14:00.41 | Wobin_ | Is there any easy way to 'highlight' a frame so I can see where it is on the screen? |
| 14:04.28 | Tain | Not really sort of universally. If you know specifically your frame makeups you're looking at you can SetVertexColor() on a texture |
| 14:05.25 | wereHamster | 'I wear boots of escaping' .. or what does he yell ? :-P |
| 14:05.49 | Cairenn | I'm wearing boots of escaping! I'm wearing boots of escaping! |
| 14:06.12 | wereHamster | english grammar.. :( |
| 14:06.29 | Cairenn | yours wasn't incorrect grammer |
| 14:09.45 | Cairenn | I was just letting you know what he actually said |
| 14:10.16 | wereHamster | ah.. :) |
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| 14:14.08 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 14:19.57 | Shouryuu | Is it me, or has the number of requests for model swapping mods increased since it's been said to be illegal? |
| 14:20.58 | s|loup | hihi |
| 14:24.21 | Cairenn | not really |
| 14:24.27 | Cairenn | you may just be noticing it more |
| 14:24.34 | Shouryuu | yeah probably |
| 14:25.23 | Shouryuu | lol I love Iriel's new avatar |
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| 14:33.21 | Tain | hah hah the Warcraft movie nailed. http://www.little-gamers.com/ |
| 14:35.24 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 14:38.37 | Tain | Also cute, but David Blaine makes me want to break things. |
| 14:38.38 | Tain | http://cascadefailure.comicgenesis.com/ |
| 14:44.03 | Industrial | mv tom /home/tom |
| 14:52.22 | Tain | Current UI: http://crushingdreams.com/images/WoWScrnShot_051006_101104.jpg |
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| 14:55.38 | Shouryuu | nice |
| 14:55.46 | Shouryuu | How did you bind keys to A-1? |
| 14:56.53 | Maldivia | Alt-1 |
| 14:56.53 | Tain | Just cleared the default bindings out and then the VisorButtons I use for action buttons will show A-1 instead of Alt-1, C-1 instead of Ctrl-1, etc. |
| 14:57.02 | Shouryuu | ahh |
| 14:57.17 | Shouryuu | I really need to find an add on that will allow me to bind stuff to A-1 |
| 14:57.30 | Tain | You can bind keys to alt- anything |
| 14:57.30 | [MoonWolf] | a-1 ? |
| 14:57.41 | [MoonWolf] | alt keys are perfectly suported.... |
| 14:57.45 | Legorol^ | default UI allows you to bind stuff to ALT+X |
| 14:58.55 | Shouryuu | I ment other keys |
| 14:58.58 | Shouryuu | like k + 1 |
| 14:59.09 | Tain | I don't know what you mean. :( |
| 14:59.30 | Kirkburn|Uni | Boop |
| 14:59.40 | [MoonWolf] | only alt ctrl and shift can act like modifiers. |
| 14:59.49 | [MoonWolf] | this is simply the way it works. |
| 14:59.53 | Tain | Oh like any two keys? Hold "E" and press "1" ? |
| 15:00.04 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 15:00.12 | Tain | Ah yeah. You can't. :) |
| 15:00.16 | Shouryuu | Well |
| 15:00.20 | Shouryuu | the way I want to do it |
| 15:00.52 | Shouryuu | is action a change action page command on the press of "e" for example. and change it back 1 after each attempt of CastSpellByName |
| 15:01.31 | [MoonWolf] | i think filefront has put some extra server power up in light of the e3 |
| 15:01.33 | Shouryuu | basicaly e changes the page 2, 1 does CastSpellByName, and by doing so, changes back to page 1 |
| 15:01.42 | [MoonWolf] | there are no watitng times on any servers. |
| 15:01.58 | Tain | Ah that's possible to do. |
| 15:02.23 | [MoonWolf] | yes it is |
| 15:02.32 | [MoonWolf] | but thats more like a pseudo binding. |
| 15:02.36 | Shouryuu | Yeah |
| 15:02.45 | Shouryuu | But it's the only way I could think of doing it |
| 15:03.07 | Shouryuu | or just change action back to action page 1 after each press of 1,2,3,4....,10 |
| 15:03.26 | Shouryuu | *or just change action page |
| 15:03.48 | Tain | I wanted something where when you press ALT a bar appears and stays while you're holding ALT, and be able to hit the hotkeys for that bar. ALT-3, etc. |
| 15:04.42 | Shouryuu | That can't be done with Visor? |
| 15:05.15 | Tain | The modifer keys, alt, shift, etc., aren't as simple to trigger off of. |
| 15:05.28 | Tain | Unless you do an OnUpdate that constantly scans to see if you have pressed it. |
| 15:05.33 | Shouryuu | yeah I guess |
| 15:06.11 | Shouryuu | Where did the name Visor come from btw? |
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| 15:07.49 | Tain | The main purpose of Visor was for frame manipulation. Sizing, positioning, scaling, etc. |
| 15:08.02 | Tain | The name was derived from, "Filtering your view of the UI." |
| 15:09.01 | Shouryuu | ahh |
| 15:09.04 | Kirkburn | Aww, I think VISual ORganiser would be better |
| 15:09.18 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 15:09.23 | Shouryuu | Yeah that is cooler :p |
| 15:09.55 | Kirkburn | I just made that up on the spot :P |
| 15:09.55 | Tain | The buttons was sort of an afterthought. Although I recently tried using Bongos for action bars and I can't deal with 12 button bars anymore. |
| 15:09.55 | Tain | That's pretty good, Kirkburn! |
| 15:09.55 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 15:09.59 | Kirkburn | That could be like the tag line |
| 15:10.09 | Tain | Anything that forces me to use 12 buttons in a row is just untenable to me now. |
| 15:10.23 | Kirkburn | i.e. everything that comes with the game :) |
| 15:10.34 | Tain | Exactly, that's what AddOns are for. |
| 15:10.46 | Kirkburn | And also why we love them. |
| 15:10.59 | Tain | I know DAB lets you adjust the numbers per bar, been too long since I looked at Flexbar to know if it does. |
| 15:11.32 | Tain | But for me, I just can't handle it now. 12 in a row! I need more flexibility! |
| 15:11.59 | Elviso | Tain, you use FuBar? |
| 15:12.02 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I think my warlock will need a new UI |
| 15:12.05 | Tain | Yes Elviso |
| 15:12.37 | Elviso | show your UI screenshot to ckknight, so he'll know I'm not the only one using "on left side" :p |
| 15:13.07 | Tain | There was a question? |
| 15:13.22 | Wobin_ | Has anyone played with the Model uiobject? |
| 15:13.31 | Tain | People have been justifying to the left since the advent of Titan Panel. |
| 15:14.21 | Elviso | Tain, no it's just a inside joke i guess. I requested the feature and he acted as though it wasn't important...until I blackmailed him heh heh |
| 15:14.26 | Elviso | I know |
| 15:14.32 | Tain | Ah heh |
| 15:14.55 | Elviso | can't believe how far FuBar has come along |
| 15:15.11 | Tain | I do want a blank "spacer" plugin of variable width to really customize where things are placed along the bar. |
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| 15:18.44 | Tain | But I don't really feel like doing it so I'll just throw it out there until it sounds like a good idea to someone else. |
| 15:19.10 | Shouryuu | Anyone have some info on how I could do my pseudo binding thing? |
| 15:19.37 | Shouryuu | I don't really know how I could bind something to A without breaking what's already there |
| 15:20.00 | Tain | You do have to pick something that's either not used, or does something you don't need. |
| 15:20.25 | Shouryuu | ok |
| 15:20.35 | Shouryuu | And triggering something after each call of CastSpellByName? |
| 15:20.40 | Tain | But you can also just test the idea using SHIFT-x to change to bar page x. It's the switching back to bar 1 that you have to macro |
| 15:21.57 | Tain | Although actually how does that work. I think it *might* just be a case of setting the global variable CURRENT_ACTIONBAR_PAGE = 1 |
| 15:22.52 | Tain | Oh and then call ChangeActionBarPage() |
| 15:22.57 | Shouryuu | Yeah |
| 15:23.05 | Shouryuu | Just a basic action page swapping macro |
| 15:23.12 | Tain | So a macro to run your CastSpellByName, set the variable to 1, then ChangeActionBarPage() |
| 15:23.21 | Tain | That should actually do it. |
| 15:24.28 | Kirkburn | E3 opens in 30 mins ... |
| 15:24.39 | Shouryuu | Yeah, but I don't feel like writting 10 macros for 10 different spells... |
| 15:24.46 | Shouryuu | *writing |
| 15:24.53 | Shouryuu | or is it writting... hummm |
| 15:24.57 | Kirkburn | first |
| 15:25.06 | Kirkburn | writing :) |
| 15:25.08 | Shouryuu | writing? |
| 15:25.11 | Shouryuu | ok :p |
| 15:27.37 | Shouryuu | so would I need to do something like hooking CastSpellByName (if that's even possible) and add a CURRENT_ACTIONBAR_PAGE = 1 ChangeActionBarPage() to it? |
| 15:27.39 | Wobin_ | Anyone used the Model uiobject? |
| 15:28.13 | [MoonWolf] | the first thing that happens when e3 opens is that everybody runs up to the blizzard place and asks |
| 15:28.17 | [MoonWolf] | WHATS UP WITH THE EREDAR. |
| 15:28.26 | [MoonWolf] | and then one employee goes, their yust xxxx |
| 15:29.22 | Shouryuu | lol |
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| 15:32.13 | Shouryuu | Is kubuntu a good linux distro for beginners? |
| 15:33.17 | [MoonWolf] | yes |
| 15:33.20 | [MoonWolf] | verymuch so |
| 15:33.43 | Shouryuu | ok |
| 15:33.52 | Shouryuu | I'll give it a try once I'm done backing up |
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| 15:40.15 | Wobin_ | Bah. No-one here has had any attempts or testing on the Model object? |
| 15:46.40 | Kirkburn | NY Times is saying it's Draenei :P |
| 15:46.42 | Miravlix_ | It's virgin territory, you can be the first and get famous |
| 15:46.52 | Wobin_ | Miravlix_: Bah =P |
| 15:47.02 | Wobin_ | WTB more docs |
| 15:47.11 | Wobin_ | And more functions =P |
| 15:48.54 | Miravlix_ | This Children Day, is making me 40 gold on my main server. |
| 15:49.02 | [MoonWolf] | wow |
| 15:49.05 | [MoonWolf] | seeling the pet ? |
| 15:49.18 | Miravlix_ | No, you can choose to get 5 gold pr. turn in |
| 15:49.49 | [MoonWolf] | wow thats a big improvement over the old quest line |
| 15:50.14 | Kirkburn | Official video! http://video.on.nytimes.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=a3b99bbc2:10b1ee47c5c:6b7&fr_story=23d1771c0fe6143df214f487355fdbe8881cd090&st=1147276093890&mp=WMP&cpf=true&fr=051006_114814_3b99bbc2x10b1ee47c5cx6b8&rdm=200979.6743948536 |
| 15:50.28 | Kirkburn | With sound! |
| 15:50.37 | [MoonWolf] | still doesnt give name to the new race |
| 15:50.40 | [MoonWolf] | damnit |
| 15:51.27 | [MoonWolf] | mount speed increasings should work on taxi's too. |
| 15:51.39 | Kirkburn | I know, grr |
| 15:53.18 | [MoonWolf] | i have exactly 1800 hk |
| 15:53.40 | [MoonWolf] | and 0 dk |
| 15:53.47 | Miravlix_ | I should get the last few kills to hit 40K on my old main |
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| 15:58.30 | Miravlix_ | Those 5 g is nice startup money on a new server |
| 15:58.46 | [MoonWolf] | yep |
| 15:59.00 | Miravlix_ | And you can get it with a level 1 alt |
| 15:59.21 | [MoonWolf] | to bad that i really dont like waling all those ages. |
| 15:59.23 | Miravlix_ | You have to die a bit doing the alliance lighthouse |
| 15:59.50 | [MoonWolf] | and the walk though the wetlands. |
| 16:00.23 | [MoonWolf] | horde has better ones |
| 16:00.26 | Kirkburn | And er, Tanaris |
| 16:00.32 | Miravlix_ | Tanaris? |
| 16:00.44 | Miravlix_ | We don't need to go to no stinking Ganktaris |
| 16:00.51 | Kirkburn | Well, perhaps not depending on your route, but Shimmering Flats anyway |
| 16:00.57 | Miravlix_ | Nope |
| 16:01.04 | Miravlix_ | We have a icecream vendor in Stormwind |
| 16:01.14 | Kirkburn | Oh that's just crazy |
| 16:01.20 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 16:01.43 | Kirkburn | Def sells the right type of ice cream? |
| 16:01.46 | [MoonWolf] | put it on the ah.... |
| 16:02.06 | Miravlix_ | The NPC is only there when it's childrens week |
| 16:02.08 | Kirkburn | You'd have to advertise |
| 16:02.33 | Miravlix_ | Too hard for Alliance to hit Shimmeringflats apparently |
| 16:02.34 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 16:02.49 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, so dangereus a place |
| 16:02.58 | Wobin_ | What is the usual cause of the "Chessboard texture" on models? |
| 16:03.10 | [MoonWolf] | never had it. |
| 16:04.21 | [MoonWolf] | hey dont puke on the |
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| 16:04.30 | [MoonWolf] | *sigh*, cloack. |
| 16:04.36 | [MoonWolf] | cloak* |
| 16:04.39 | Kirkburn | IT'S THE DRAENEI |
| 16:04.47 | [MoonWolf] | I KNEW IT |
| 16:04.53 | Shouryuu|Gone | yup |
| 16:04.56 | Shouryuu|Gone | was just about to say so |
| 16:04.58 | [MoonWolf] | where is the proof ? |
| 16:05.07 | Shouryuu | http://e3.blogs.nytimes.com/ |
| 16:05.09 | [MoonWolf] | finally, i knew it wasnt eredar. |
| 16:05.14 | [MoonWolf] | at least now i can live with them. |
| 16:05.15 | Tain | Oh... heh people were still wondering? |
| 16:05.16 | [MoonWolf] | they are still ugly |
| 16:05.19 | Shouryuu | o be called The Burning Crusade, players will be able to join an otherworldly species called the Draenei. |
| 16:05.19 | [MoonWolf] | but lore accaptable. |
| 16:06.58 | Shouryu | That's kind of... well.. disapointing =( |
| 16:07.06 | Shouryu | I don't want to play neither race |
| 16:07.29 | Kirkburn | “Lots of players have wanted to play demons, and Draenei are the closest you can get to looking like an Eredar,†Jeff Kaplan, one of the game’s top designers, said in an interview. “They have these cool forehead features, and one of the customization features is switching around these facial features and the tendrils hanging beneath the chin and so on.†|
| 16:08.22 | Shouryu | Unless Dreaeni can be druids... But I doubt that |
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| 16:09.26 | [MoonWolf] | best you get as a deani is shaman |
| 16:09.36 | [MoonWolf] | but i dont think you will get shaman as a playable class |
| 16:09.51 | Kirkburn | In a twist, the Draenei are descended from the same demonic race, the Eredar, that produced some of Warcraft’s most fearsome foes, like the demon Archimonde. |
| 16:10.23 | [MoonWolf] | i dont care, as long as they are not wisp brainwashed eredar im happy |
| 16:10.26 | Tain | Rat Nova needs to be a player spell. |
| 16:10.27 | [MoonWolf] | i dont like the looks much |
| 16:10.32 | [MoonWolf] | but its lore fitting. |
| 16:10.38 | [MoonWolf] | i agree with tain |
| 16:11.04 | Kirkburn | In addition to being able to test-play the Draenei, attendees at the convention this week, formally known as the Electronic Entertainment Expo, will get their first peek at the Nether Drakes, which are among several flying beasts that players will be able to mount in Burning Crusade. |
| 16:11.30 | Kirkburn | Woop, choice of flying mounts :) |
| 16:11.34 | Adrine|GoneEreda | So it's Draenei that look like Eredar? |
| 16:12.04 | [MoonWolf] | more or less |
| 16:12.17 | [MoonWolf] | but the lore is what matters to me |
| 16:12.29 | [MoonWolf] | we always knew the draenei looked different. now we know how. |
| 16:12.40 | Kirkburn | They always looked like Eredar :) |
| 16:12.44 | Adrine | Seems kinda off unless they have a good reason for the Draenei being Eredar dopplegangers |
| 16:12.47 | Kirkburn | We just didn't know, or see that before :P |
| 16:12.48 | [MoonWolf] | they wre GREEN |
| 16:12.51 | Adrine | But I can't complain |
| 16:12.58 | [MoonWolf] | and twisted and weird. |
| 16:12.59 | Kirkburn | Uncorrupted Draenei! |
| 16:12.59 | Adrine | At least they don't resemble the Lost Ones. |
| 16:13.05 | [MoonWolf] | yes but we never saw those. |
| 16:13.07 | [MoonWolf] | thats my point |
| 16:13.11 | Kirkburn | And mine. |
| 16:13.18 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 16:13.25 | [MoonWolf] | they could make those ones look however they wanted and still not break lore or continuity in any way. |
| 16:13.36 | [MoonWolf] | but eredar. doesnt work. |
| 16:14.05 | Kirkburn | Pretty sexy new screenshots |
| 16:14.12 | Miravlix_ | http://www.theregister.com/2006/05/10/ms_messenger_paradox/ |
| 16:14.25 | Kirkburn | [MoonWolf], how can it not work? It was missing lore in the first place |
| 16:14.49 | Kirkburn | We've never known what a Draenei looked liked properly |
| 16:15.14 | [MoonWolf] | eredar are the willing luitentant of the burning legion and were the whole damn reason sargeras became evil to begin with |
| 16:15.19 | [MoonWolf] | you dont play a race like that |
| 16:15.22 | [MoonWolf] | you kill them! |
| 16:16.59 | Kirkburn | The Eredar became evil though, they weren't always so |
| 16:17.21 | Kirkburn | The Draenei also aren't evil, but are descended from them. Who says they have to stay evil? |
| 16:17.33 | Kirkburn | Trolls/Night Elves/Blood Elves as a case in point |
| 16:18.33 | Kirkburn | It's hardly a strong basis for us to have this discussion anyway, we need the full write-up =) |
| 16:19.14 | Kirkburn | I mourn for Pandaren :( |
| 16:19.26 | Miravlix_ | ... |
| 16:20.35 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 16:22.08 | Adrine | I'm just going to call them Draeredar. >_> |
| 16:22.44 | Miravlix_ | Best April Fools ever, people still beleive in it... |
| 16:23.07 | Kirkburn | what? |
| 16:23.23 | Kemayo|KH | Wisps? |
| 16:23.27 | Kirkburn | Erenei? :P |
| 16:24.39 | Kemayo|KH | Now, I quit. I must remove the CD drive from this machine and put it in my new one. Because I'm very cheap. |
| 16:25.09 | Kirkburn | What an odd thing to say... |
| 16:25.30 | Kirkburn | Where's Cairenn when you want to tell her she can speak freely?? |
| 16:25.36 | Adrine | I will be rolling a Draenerenei :D |
| 16:25.54 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 16:26.07 | Kirkburn | Not Eredraenerenei? |
| 16:26.15 | Kirkburn | ...dar |
| 16:26.18 | Adrine | Eredramrglglglglglglglglgdar |
| 16:26.33 | Kirkburn | Murky! No! |
| 16:27.12 | Adrine | Hahahah |
| 16:27.30 | Adrine | The Drainer (I'm loving all the names you can make up) in the video is wearing banana shoulders. |
| 16:27.52 | Adrine | The Blood Elves look tiny next to the orcs. Heh. |
| 16:30.57 | Wobin_ | Bah, where's Iriel whne you want to chat? |
| 16:32.42 | Kirkburn | In that trailer there's maaaasssiiive orcs wearing Nemesis gear ... a bit odd really |
| 16:32.59 | Adrine | "Also we’ve learned a lot about resist gear. It was a huge mistake to put nature resist gear on bosses that required nature resist to kill and that was a straight-up flub on our part. So we’ve learned things like that." |
| 16:33.24 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Ktron (i=khamer@student2a-64.unh.edu) |
| 16:33.51 | Ktron | Anyone know why channel colors, combat windows, logging screens, and fricken the rest of the default ui is breaking all the time these days? Is it blizzard caused? |
| 16:33.59 | Adrine | [Naxx] is a token system but a refined token system. In Ahn’Qiraj and Zul’Gurub we realized we made a bad mistake with itemization. Token systems can be good and reputation systems can be very useful, but combining token systems with reputation requirements is not necessarily a good design decision, or at least it wasn’t with ZG and AQ. |
| 16:34.26 | Kirkburn | It's nice to see they're learning the trade too :) |
| 16:34.39 | Adrine | I'm really glad that's changing in Naxx. |
| 16:34.45 | Kirkburn | Ktron, there is a chat channel bug, but there's an addon of WoWI that fixes it |
| 16:34.46 | Elviso | <Adrine> "Also we’ve learned a lot about resist gear. It was a huge mistake to put nature resist gear on bosses that required nature resist to kill and that was a straight-up flub on our part. So we’ve learned things like that." |
| 16:34.54 | Adrine | Because the ZG and AQ tokens feel so...worthless for the most part. |
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| 16:34.59 | Elviso | that's the biggest piece of hypocritical bullshit I've ever heard |
| 16:35.06 | Adrine | *shrug* |
| 16:35.45 | Elviso | which is well past rag, and well past any other encounter that needs FR |
| 16:35.57 | Kirkburn | How does that make it hypocritical? |
| 16:36.04 | Kirkburn | Them apologising for the mistake? |
| 16:36.14 | Adrine | Well, they're referencing Viscidus |
| 16:36.23 | Adrine | Which is in AQ40 and came after both MC and BWL. |
| 16:36.30 | Elviso | well, it's a concept that not hard to understand whatsoever |
| 16:36.42 | Adrine | I can see how you could make the design decision |
| 16:36.47 | Ktron | Kirkburn, thanks |
| 16:36.47 | Elviso | why they had to go 1.5yrs in development before realizing that is retarded |
| 16:36.53 | Adrine | "Once players kill this boss, the rewards will make subsequent kills easier" |
| 16:37.12 | Adrine | Except that it makes the first kill disproportionately hard, and they're admitting they realize that now. |
| 16:37.40 | Kirkburn | I think they found that Visc was the final straw and have now stopped |
| 16:37.41 | Elviso | I saw that a long, long time ago |
| 16:37.50 | Ktron | Kirkburn, I don't suppose you remember the name, do you? |
| 16:37.51 | wereHamster | what is a token system? |
| 16:38.02 | Kirkburn | Remember that a lot of the dungeons were designed a loooong time before they appeared |
| 16:38.12 | Adrine | "We recognize that there are major problems with the honor system currently. In particular we’re not content with it being so time-focused." |
| 16:38.13 | Kirkburn | Ktron, sorry. I'll have a look |
| 16:38.14 | Elviso | remember itemization was not |
| 16:38.34 | Ktron | Kirkburn, np, I should be able to find it as long as it isn't named something completely mysterious |
| 16:38.36 | Adrine | wereHamster: A system where you collect certain drops off of bosses that can be turned in for armor or weapons at a quest giver. |
| 16:38.44 | wereHamster | thanks |
| 16:38.59 | Kirkburn | Mostly non-soulbound, often kept in guild banks |
| 16:39.00 | Elviso | dungeons do take awhile, however items are seemingly willy-nilly added and removed, upgraded/downgraded, etc |
| 16:39.11 | Adrine | For example, in ZG, you have "Primal Hakkari" pieces and various "coins". Once you reach a certain reputation level, you can turn in a primal hakkari piece and some number of coins for an armor or weapon piece. |
| 16:39.19 | Kirkburn | Ktron, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4929 |
| 16:39.26 | Adrine | In practice they're a huge waste of inventory space and a tremendous pain in the ass. |
| 16:39.32 | Adrine | And I wish they'd just go back to straight drops. |
| 16:39.44 | Elviso | I like the tokens honestly |
| 16:39.55 | Miravlix_ | The main problem with tokens is that they use inventory space |
| 16:39.55 | Elviso | we haven't had 1 idol rot in AQ yet |
| 16:39.57 | Kirkburn | A mix of the two I like best |
| 16:40.14 | Elviso | where's 70% of the "pure drops" get disenchanted (stupid feral/oomkin gear) |
| 16:40.15 | Miravlix_ | We are so short on inventory that it's one of the highest value items |
| 16:40.19 | Adrine | The problem isn't stuff rotting, it's stuff dropping that doesn't reward you. |
| 16:40.28 | End | The only issue with straight drops is you end up denching a lot of things because the things that people -don't- have doesn't like to drop |
| 16:40.45 | Adrine | Oh, hey, cool, I can use this item in 3 years when I have enough rep to turn it in and can bum some scarabs off my guildmates. |
| 16:41.01 | End | well, rep is stupid |
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| 16:41.19 | Adrine | And hey, I only need 6 inventory slots for the items required to turn it in! Rockin'! |
| 16:41.24 | Elviso | at least with the AQ system, we KNOW every emps kill 2 classes can get their headpiece, and it's not a random 2:7, it's closer to 1:2 |
| 16:41.52 | Elviso | eh, rep takes no time at all |
| 16:42.12 | Adrine | "the easiest encounter in Naxxramas should be around Twin Emperors level." |
| 16:42.13 | Adrine | o.0 |
| 16:42.14 | Elviso | we've only killed c'thun twice and have lots of exalted people |
| 16:43.29 | Adrine | "how many level 70 characters, for example, do you think it will take to kill Ragnaros? |
| 16:43.29 | Adrine | A. I’m not sure because we’re actually about to start testing on that, but I would guess 10 to 15." |
| 16:43.36 | Adrine | I can't wait to 10-man Molten Core :D |
| 16:43.55 | Elviso | I think I shall pass |
| 16:43.59 | Elviso | so sick of that place |
| 16:44.01 | Miravlix_ | Level fresh 70 or geared 70? |
| 16:44.18 | Adrine | I suspect they mean geared 70 |
| 16:44.32 | Adrine | I think it'd be fun with 10-15 people, honestly. |
| 16:44.34 | Miravlix_ | We arelady know that a geared 60 is like the difference between a 50 and a level 10 |
| 16:44.41 | Adrine | It would make inventive clears interesting |
| 16:44.52 | Adrine | Although god help me the day I start getting tells to twink people through there. |
| 16:45.03 | Miravlix_ | But a geared 70 has no reason to do MC |
| 16:45.14 | Elviso | I've always wanted to do a "skip all the bosses but domo and rag" MC |
| 16:45.24 | Elviso | no matter how many druids/rogues have to die :p |
| 16:45.25 | Adrine | [1. General] can a level 70 take me through mc plz need netherwind pants |
| 16:45.33 | Adrine | I'd like that, honestly. |
| 16:45.43 | Adrine | Hit exalted, get a quintessence that can summon Domo |
| 16:45.53 | Elviso | ohhh yeah |
| 16:46.00 | Miravlix_ | Blueprint bosses |
| 16:46.03 | Elviso | dont even have to worry about the others |
| 16:46.04 | Miravlix_ | We had those in AO |
| 16:46.26 | Miravlix_ | You collected some items and that created an item to spawn a boss with exceptional loot |
| 16:47.08 | Adrine | Like the tier 0.5 boss spawns |
| 16:48.22 | Kirkburn | Lol, twinking people through MC would be fun :D |
| 16:48.32 | Kirkburn | At least it'll mean I get to visit ... |
| 16:48.53 | Elviso | my prediction (from left field) is that by the time we all get 70, a "decked out" player will have mostly legendaries |
| 16:48.58 | Adrine | MC is really fun to learn and conquer, and then becomes a snoozefest. |
| 16:49.12 | Adrine | I hope not. I'm hoping they keep legendaries rare. |
| 16:49.29 | Miravlix_ | You can't keep something that drops rare |
| 16:49.37 | Elviso | the way the item budgets are though, they're screwed |
| 16:49.37 | Miravlix_ | Over time people will collect em |
| 16:49.53 | Adrine | Well |
| 16:49.53 | Elviso | ilvls on the Naxx stuff is 105ish |
| 16:49.58 | Adrine | Holy bajeebus. |
| 16:50.02 | Adrine | That's insane. |
| 16:50.04 | Adrine | That's...wow. |
| 16:50.14 | Elviso | AQ stuff is up to 88 or so |
| 16:50.20 | Adrine | Quick! Everyone make your own Naxx items! :D |
| 16:50.21 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/itemMaker/ |
| 16:51.02 | Miravlix_ | Using a uniqueness system for rating equipment is just bad |
| 16:51.15 | Miravlix_ | Since over time it will loss it's value |
| 16:51.19 | Adrine | That's why they don't do that ;) |
| 16:51.20 | Kirkburn | Uniqueness isn't a word |
| 16:51.29 | Kirkburn | It is either unique, or not. |
| 16:51.43 | Adrine | A legendary item just has a lower ilevel than an equivalent epic item. |
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| 16:51.48 | Elviso | so, the Naxx items are lvl 100 green items |
| 16:51.49 | Adrine | So it's just an epic attainable earlier. |
| 16:52.46 | Elviso | I wonder how they're going to handle the lvl cap increase in regards to current epics and such |
| 16:53.23 | Shouryu | Ok guys |
| 16:53.24 | Adrine | They have to keep scaling the levels up, I guess |
| 16:53.27 | Shouryu | Linux, here I come! |
| 16:53.29 | Shouryu | WISH ME LUCK! |
| 16:53.30 | Adrine | But I did NOT expect a level 105 item. |
| 16:53.30 | Kirkburn | <Adrine> A legendary item just has a lower ilevel than an equivalent epic item. <-- that applies to everything |
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| 16:53.36 | Kirkburn | luck! |
| 16:53.49 | Adrine | I know, I'm just saying that legendaries aren't inherently "better" items. |
| 16:53.58 | Elviso | that's the thing, the current Naxx epics (and many previous) ruin the model |
| 16:54.01 | Adrine | So there's no reason a 70 would be decked in legendaries. |
| 16:54.03 | Miravlix_ | Just lige we have level 15 blue items |
| 16:54.05 | Kirkburn | Well yeah, just as blues aren't inherently better than greens |
| 16:54.18 | Miravlix_ | you will get a wider level span of legendary items |
| 16:54.19 | Elviso | since the lvl cap was 60, they could make the ilvl as high as they needed |
| 16:54.47 | Kirkburn | Anyways, I'm sure Blizz knows what they're doing by now, and have taken the expansion into consideration |
| 16:54.58 | Elviso | but your run-of-the-mill lvl 70 epic would not have the ilvl of the Naxx items, I don't think |
| 16:55.17 | Elviso | Kirkburn: clearly not |
| 16:55.29 | Ktron | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/itemMaker/?id=778 |
| 16:55.34 | Ktron | completely believeable ;) |
| 16:55.37 | Adrine | Well, the tier 1 epics are ilevel...66? |
| 16:55.48 | Adrine | BWL is 75-76, Naxx is 85-88 |
| 16:55.49 | Elviso | "Also we’ve learned a lot about resist gear. It was a huge mistake to put nature resist gear on bosses that required nature resist to kill and that was a straight-up flub on our part. So we’ve learned things like that." |
| 16:55.57 | Adrine | So I'd have expected 95-99 from Naxx. |
| 16:56.24 | Elviso | the 105 was just thrown out by sancus, it's not concrete |
| 16:56.36 | Elviso | and I'm too lazy to do the math on the items on WAPP |
| 16:56.56 | Adrine | Well, I don't think we can do 'em on the legendary staff |
| 16:57.01 | Adrine | And we don't have stats for the armor yet, do we? |
| 16:57.12 | Elviso | ohhh yeah, some at least |
| 16:57.20 | Adrine | Have a link? |
| 16:57.20 | Elviso | you're a rogue, no? (am I remmebering right?) |
| 16:57.26 | Adrine | Rogue/priest/warrior on the way. |
| 16:57.27 | Kirkburn | Aww I broke it with my level 28154.12 item |
| 16:57.31 | Adrine | Main is a rogue though. |
| 16:57.31 | Elviso | http://www.malicesb.net/wapnew/tier-3.php |
| 16:57.47 | Adrine | Aha, there it is |
| 16:57.51 | Elviso | that's a mirror for whataboutpp.com |
| 16:58.07 | Adrine | Holy bajeebers. |
| 16:58.09 | Adrine | Those set bonuses. |
| 16:58.13 | Adrine | Oh em gee. |
| 16:58.14 | Wobin_ | So. |
| 16:58.19 | Wobin_ | What does PP stand for? |
| 16:58.47 | Elviso | no clue, I know the guy that runs it but just never asked |
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| 16:59.09 | Elviso | the priest hat is pretty godly too |
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| 17:00.03 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/itemMaker/index.php?id=773 |
| 17:00.09 | Adrine | Bonescythe works out to ilevel 103 |
| 17:00.19 | Adrine | So....yeah. Looks like that's about right. |
| 17:00.46 | Kirkburn | Hello Cairenn! |
| 17:00.50 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 17:02.26 | Adrine | The ring works out to ilevel 95 though. |
| 17:03.34 | Adrine | The priest helm works out to 104.56 |
| 17:03.59 | Cairenn | hey |
| 17:04.15 | Ktron | Does anyone here know how to make 'stealth bars' using Visor? |
| 17:04.40 | Cairenn | so, now everyone knows, it's the Draenai |
| 17:04.53 | Ktron | lol.. that was a joke, right Cairenn? |
| 17:05.02 | Adrine | Except they're Draenei that look like Eredar, so I dub them the Draeredarnai. |
| 17:05.18 | Cairenn | unh, no? |
| 17:05.25 | Ktron | After all the Eredar material that came out? |
| 17:05.42 | Ktron | Well, you're at E3, aren't you? |
| 17:05.44 | Cairenn | ktron hunny, it's been announced |
| 17:05.48 | Cairenn | no, I'm not |
| 17:05.52 | Adrine | It has been announced |
| 17:05.57 | Adrine | It's Draenei that look like Eredar. |
| 17:06.04 | Ktron | really? where are you getting this? it's Draenei that look like Eredar?? wtf? |
| 17:06.04 | Adrine | http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/09/technology/10warcraftqa.web.html?_r=2&oref=slogin |
| 17:06.07 | Adrine | And... |
| 17:06.08 | Adrine | Let's see |
| 17:06.18 | Kirkburn | hehehe |
| 17:06.25 | Adrine | That's the interview |
| 17:06.30 | Adrine | There's an article around here somewhere. |
| 17:06.40 | Ktron | Why are they called Draenei if they aren't Draenei? heh... I better read... I apologize Cairenn |
| 17:06.40 | Kirkburn | Linked to via the WoW homepage |
| 17:07.08 | Adrine | Apparently the Draenei are descended from the Eredar |
| 17:07.08 | Cairenn | no worries hun |
| 17:07.08 | Kirkburn | They're Draenei, we didn't actually know much about them before |
| 17:07.16 | Adrine | But I think they just look like Eredar, so I will call them Draeredarnei and Eredranai interchangably :D |
| 17:07.21 | Kirkburn | (doesn't stop people insisting the lore is being butchered) |
| 17:07.24 | Adrine | http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/09/technology/10warcraft.web.html |
| 17:07.46 | Kirkburn | Archimonde and Draenei are descendents of the Eredar |
| 17:07.51 | Adrine | So it looks like they'll be paladins and priests at least. |
| 17:07.57 | Adrine | Warriors are a given. |
| 17:08.04 | Kirkburn | "Warrior, Priest, Paladin, Mage and Hunter." |
| 17:08.09 | Adrine | I suspect mages a...oh. |
| 17:08.21 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 17:08.28 | Kirkburn | The interview ... http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/09/technology/10warcraftqa.web.html |
| 17:08.30 | Ktron | So why are they calling them Draenei? if they are night elf wisps combined with the demonic energies of Archimonde, shouldn't they either be a new race or Eredar? |
| 17:08.32 | Adrine | Kirk, why you gots to be stealing all my thunder? :( |
| 17:08.41 | Kirkburn | Ktron, go read the articles |
| 17:08.44 | Adrine | That theory was bunk, Ktron :) |
| 17:08.47 | Kirkburn | :) |
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| 17:08.52 | Kirkburn | Mmm, thunder |
| 17:09.01 | Kirkburn | Shouryu_, linux boy? |
| 17:09.14 | Shouryu_ | Arrghh why won't either kubuntu or ubuntu install! |
| 17:09.29 | Kirkburn | Cos those are made-up stoopid names ;) |
| 17:09.36 | Shouryu_ | With both distro I get stuck on a "Ok booting to kernel" screen =( |
| 17:09.49 | Shouryu_ | They mean something like Community in some Aricain Dialect |
| 17:09.49 | Cairenn | the interview, btw guys, is useless unless you have a membership with the NYTimes :p |
| 17:10.37 | Adrine | It is? |
| 17:10.48 | Adrine | I just followed a link and it patched me right on through. |
| 17:10.57 | Adrine | I'm not logged in... |
| 17:11.31 | Cairenn | trying to access it via the front page of the Blizz forum, but every other link I've gotten to it, not just from in this channel, has required membership |
| 17:11.39 | Shouryuu | kubuntu = "towards humanity" |
| 17:11.45 | Cairenn | ah, accessing via Blizz allows me to see it |
| 17:12.00 | Cairenn | nm, no it doesn't |
| 17:12.04 | Adrine | I followed a link from another forum |
| 17:12.14 | Adrine | bugmenot, Cairenn? :) |
| 17:12.18 | Ktron | So, why are they calling these Eredar looking things Draenei? |
| 17:12.28 | Ktron | I've read the article, it doesn't seem to address this |
| 17:12.30 | Adrine | Wait. |
| 17:12.36 | Adrine | Now it jst asked me to register |
| 17:12.51 | Adrine | Ktron: Because they're Draenei, who are apparently descended as a race from the Eredar. |
| 17:13.11 | Ktron | And what does that make the Draenei in game? not Draenei? |
| 17:13.15 | Elviso | Ktron: http://www.malicesb.net/wapnew/alliance-race.php |
| 17:13.23 | Adrine | Corrupted Draenei |
| 17:13.24 | Elviso | and a coke and a smile.. |
| 17:13.37 | Ktron | Elviso, I think that's bunk |
| 17:13.47 | Elviso | why |
| 17:13.59 | Ktron | Because it doesn't match up with everything else |
| 17:14.10 | Ktron | and it certainly doesn't match up with Blizzard's interview on nytimes |
| 17:14.13 | Elviso | well, you scream for answers and then scream when you get them |
| 17:14.19 | Elviso | I give up |
| 17:14.27 | [MoonWolf] | the draenei in the game are twisted draenei |
| 17:14.37 | [MoonWolf] | staying in outland when it was torn a sunder did that to them. |
| 17:15.48 | Ktron | So, there's twisted draenei who are neutral in the refuge, twisted draenei who are crazy who are lost ones, twisted draenei (the Broken) in the outlands, and another variety of twisted draenei who are playable and look like Eredar? |
| 17:16.12 | Adrine | Non-twisted Draenei that are playable. |
| 17:16.17 | [MoonWolf] | The playable draenei are how they non-twisted |
| 17:16.31 | [MoonWolf] | they look* |
| 17:17.14 | Ktron | s/another variety of twisted/untwisted/ |
| 17:17.16 | [MoonWolf] | I dont know how the rest of the storie goes. |
| 17:17.28 | [MoonWolf] | where they come from , why they look normal again. |
| 17:17.49 | Ktron | 4 different versions of the same race... almost as bad as the elves |
| 17:17.50 | [MoonWolf] | they look like Eredar because the have some common heritage or something |
| 17:18.10 | [MoonWolf] | elves are worse |
| 17:18.23 | [MoonWolf] | they start from trolls, then you get highborn, who partially become naga |
| 17:18.36 | [MoonWolf] | the other part turns into sun elves |
| 17:18.52 | [MoonWolf] | they get mostly wiped out and the sun elves turn into blood elve |
| 17:19.04 | [MoonWolf] | and then there is the modern night elf. |
| 17:19.17 | Ktron | and a lot of them were turned into naga |
| 17:19.34 | [MoonWolf] | i said that. |
| 17:19.37 | Ktron | and then there is the 'evil' elves who followed the demon hunter there |
| 17:19.45 | Ktron | yes you did, sorry |
| 17:19.58 | Ktron | Kael'Thras and all of that |
| 17:20.00 | [MoonWolf] | those are also blood evles. |
| 17:20.09 | Ktron | but they aren't friendly with the other bloodelves |
| 17:20.17 | Ktron | its still another faction of elves |
| 17:20.29 | [MoonWolf] | no, but at the start of the burning crusade they dont know that yet. |
| 17:20.42 | [MoonWolf] | the blood elves here want to go to outland, they dont know what has happend there YET. |
| 17:21.41 | Ktron | you wait, burning crusade's 1.5 patch is going to introduce earth elves, sunset elves, and prove that humans, gnomes, tauren and the Lich King are decendants of elves |
| 17:22.11 | [MoonWolf] | the draenei are pretty easy to get |
| 17:22.38 | [MoonWolf] | there is a common acestor, then outland is turn a sunder, a part of them gets out. a number of those are fucked up in the head (the lost). |
| 17:22.53 | [MoonWolf] | another part remains in outland and become the broken. |
| 17:23.04 | [MoonWolf] | i dont know where the player ones come from. |
| 17:23.06 | Ktron | I think I'll give them that they found a nice model, a new look and type of race to use-- but I think the lore they're using to connect them is ridiculous :) |
| 17:23.34 | [MoonWolf] | actually we know that the dreanei looked different before the sundering since wc3 |
| 17:23.36 | Ktron | and if you go to the common ancestor, in theory the Eredar are descended from them too |
| 17:23.36 | *** join/#wowi-lounge SilverShadow (n=silversh@dsl-648.warsaw.kconline.com) |
| 17:24.09 | [MoonWolf] | the races are related but not enough to really brake lore |
| 17:24.11 | Ktron | which means that the original draenei race has to be older than, say, Archimonde |
| 17:24.18 | [MoonWolf] | twist bend and fuck it in the skull yes. |
| 17:24.38 | [MoonWolf] | that goes to follow yes. |
| 17:24.44 | Adrine | You know, as the itemization progresses, the rogue stat scaling gets depressing. |
| 17:24.51 | [MoonWolf] | very |
| 17:24.55 | Adrine | The Bonescythe ring is 1% crit, 1% hit, 30 AP, 14 stamina. |
| 17:25.04 | Ktron | yeah, Blizzard could tell us that they're the improper children of secret octopus-satyr cross breeding and I'll still play the race ;) |
| 17:25.06 | Adrine | Master Dragonslayer from Nef is 48 AP, 14 stamina, 1% hit. |
| 17:25.12 | [MoonWolf] | the last rogue ranks should start scaling or something. |
| 17:25.32 | Adrine | So the level 95 ring in Naxx means you lose 18 AP to gain 1% crit, and that's worth 12 item levels. |
| 17:25.35 | Adrine | gg rogues. |
| 17:25.42 | Elviso | I'm betting the ring is a 'minor' piece of the set |
| 17:25.48 | Adrine | It's item level 95. |
| 17:25.48 | Elviso | probably one of the 1st pieces you can get |
| 17:25.57 | Adrine | It should be far better than anything in MC, BWL, or AQ. |
| 17:26.03 | [MoonWolf] | the ring is there so you can have 8 pieces without having the whole set |
| 17:26.08 | Adrine | But I'd rather have Master Dragonslayer. |
| 17:26.17 | Elviso | you can have both :p |
| 17:26.32 | Adrine | The point is that the ring has stats that put it at ilevel 95, but it works out being extremely mediocre due to rogue AP formulas. |
| 17:26.32 | Kirkburn | (Ktron, it said Archimonde and the Draenei are descended from the Eredar) |
| 17:27.04 | [MoonWolf] | if that is so, then kil'jeaden is also deceded from eredar |
| 17:27.13 | [MoonWolf] | and most likely there are more of their kind |
| 17:27.14 | Adrine | Put the same ring on a hunter and they get 60 RAP, 14 stamina, 1% crit, and 1% hit. |
| 17:27.28 | Adrine | -that- is epic-worthy. |
| 17:27.30 | [MoonWolf] | i want that ring. |
| 17:27.32 | Elviso | but Adrine, hunters never get that love |
| 17:27.38 | Adrine | Hahah. |
| 17:27.48 | Elviso | the best ring currently is a C'Thun drop, and only has 27 agi / 17 stam |
| 17:28.09 | Elviso | no hit, no crit... |
| 17:28.27 | Adrine | My point is that the rogue AP formulas in conjunction with the exponential marginal costs of stats in the item budget screws rogues hardcore as itemization progresses. |
| 17:28.29 | Elviso | AP is nice, but my hunter is at the point now where I dont need AP as much as crit |
| 17:28.48 | [MoonWolf] | rogues work fine up till 60 |
| 17:28.51 | Adrine | Yes, they do. |
| 17:28.53 | [MoonWolf] | but their major finishers just dont scale |
| 17:28.59 | Adrine | And their AP formulas suck ass. |
| 17:29.10 | Adrine | Eviscerate I can give or take. |
| 17:29.17 | Adrine | Raiding I just use SnD for the most part. |
| 17:29.27 | Tain | Of course if their finishers did scale up Rogues would be crying about survivability. |
| 17:29.29 | Elviso | I think they're fine, rogues still do insane damage |
| 17:29.34 | [MoonWolf] | it is pretty feasable that when you get lvl 70 (if you dont get new ranks) you will have sinister strike crits out damaging evisc crits. |
| 17:29.44 | Adrine | Rogues are already crying about survivability ;) |
| 17:29.55 | Tain | Yeah, but they'd actually have a point. |
| 17:29.58 | [MoonWolf] | everybody is crying about survivability |
| 17:30.17 | Adrine | Rogues actually have a point though. They always, always, always take more damage than anyone but your tanks. |
| 17:30.19 | [MoonWolf] | warriors and paladins are crying about it for gods sake. |
| 17:30.24 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 17:30.29 | Elviso | like my friend says, give every 10x's the HP and 10x's the MP, and we'd have a fun pvp game |
| 17:30.30 | Tain | That's not a good argument, Adrine. |
| 17:30.33 | Shouryuu | People just need to learn to buy and use pots... |
| 17:30.37 | Adrine | How do you figure, Tain? |
| 17:30.39 | Tain | Rogues take more damage than Mages because mages take less to die. |
| 17:30.45 | Adrine | Not at all. |
| 17:30.47 | Tain | Can't do more damage to a dead mage! |
| 17:30.52 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 17:30.57 | Adrine | Rogues take more damage because they have to hump their cleaving enemy's leg to do anything. |
| 17:31.12 | Tain | Rogues simply have just enough life to be worth healing. |
| 17:31.19 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 17:31.23 | Adrine | Which is still difficult to do. |
| 17:31.29 | Tain | Of course it is. |
| 17:31.30 | Adrine | Because our AP formulas suck :P |
| 17:31.53 | Shouryuu | But being trying to escape a rogue that can 2 shot you is hard as well :P |
| 17:31.53 | Adrine | And if we want to stack stamina, we take a stupid hit to our AP. |
| 17:32.03 | Elviso | well, hunter's crit formula sucks... so lets all roll warriors |
| 17:32.16 | Adrine | Eh. If everyone is in epic gear, a rogue can't 2-shot anyone but another rogue. |
| 17:32.21 | [MoonWolf] | like hunters need more crit.... |
| 17:32.23 | Shouryuu | That goes for every class.. If I want to live longer I have to take some out of my mana pool... |
| 17:32.27 | Tain | Or a mage. :) |
| 17:32.32 | Elviso | [MoonWolf]: yes |
| 17:32.38 | [MoonWolf] | no not really |
| 17:32.42 | Elviso | [MoonWolf]: yes |
| 17:32.48 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 17:32.56 | [MoonWolf] | as a hunter i think my crit is fine! |
| 17:33.03 | Tain | Actually if I could take any class for raids I'd want to be a Hunter. |
| 17:33.07 | Tain | Easiest class to raid with. |
| 17:33.23 | Elviso | Tain, by far |
| 17:33.28 | SilverShadow | Hunters rule. ;-) |
| 17:33.30 | Tain | Contribute, and don't have to be in the direct middle of things. |
| 17:33.31 | [MoonWolf] | what we need is more +healing and more +spelldamage! |
| 17:33.40 | Elviso | lol |
| 17:33.55 | Shouryuu | Aye |
| 17:33.55 | Adrine | The rogue's biggest problem is that they utterly dominate undergeared opponents and utterly fall apart against equivalently-geared opponenets as itemization progresses. |
| 17:33.57 | Tain | It's levelling a Hunter I didn't like. |
| 17:34.13 | [MoonWolf] | its a pretty smooth leveling process |
| 17:34.17 | Adrine | And that makes it really hard to suggest changes that don't further widen the gap at low levels/blue gear levels. |
| 17:34.17 | Tain | Oh it's simple. |
| 17:34.21 | Tain | Very easy to level. |
| 17:34.29 | SilverShadow | <3 Pets.. |
| 17:34.30 | Tain | I just don't like doing pet management. |
| 17:34.45 | Tain | So for me it was something I stopped doing. |
| 17:34.50 | [MoonWolf] | when i played my second class (first was a warlock) i kept feeling alone. |
| 17:35.04 | SilverShadow | Gotta love my kitty... makes it so i don't have to get a scratch on my shiney new armor. |
| 17:35.12 | [MoonWolf] | i have the part of my brain that keep track of my pet all the time |
| 17:35.15 | Elviso | I just want warrior damage nerfed still :) |
| 17:35.20 | [MoonWolf] | if my pet isnt there it feels weird. |
| 17:35.38 | SilverShadow | yea. When I play a priest I find it's.. odd. I keep trying to send my pet into attack. |
| 17:35.46 | [MoonWolf] | also for the first 5 levels of rogue i kept pressing ctrl-t for pet attack. |
| 17:35.49 | Tain | heh I stopped playing a Warrior because the damage wasn't enough for my likes. |
| 17:35.54 | Shouryuu | Elviso *nod*. Someguy that can hamstring you, break your fear in 2 different ways, has plate a lots of HP is just. meh |
| 17:35.56 | Elviso | and personally I'm waiting for the "lone hunter" talent..... no pet = bonus |
| 17:36.12 | [MoonWolf] | ANIMAL SACRIFICE |
| 17:36.15 | Elviso | Shouryuu, yup... |
| 17:36.16 | Tain | yeah Elviso it would actually be worth doing. |
| 17:36.38 | [MoonWolf] | ofcourse then we also need, MASTER ANIMAL CONTROLLER |
| 17:36.43 | Adrine | I rather like my warrior. The burst damage isn't as reliable as with a rogue, but you can put out more of it with cleave/sweeping strikes/whirlwind. |
| 17:36.49 | Elviso | my pet's only use is for pulling now days, I dont even pull him out in "pvp" usually unless it's BG crap |
| 17:36.52 | Adrine | My warrior is only 39, though. |
| 17:37.46 | Elviso | my warr has only greens and blues, arcanite reaper, and still leads damage meters on every 10-15 man raid |
| 17:37.54 | Ktron | 41 point talent: Hybridize: combines your essence with your pet, turning into a half humanoid, half beast monster of destruction, chaos, and accurate long range firing. |
| 17:38.03 | zenzelezz | Cleave/SS/Whirlwind are all "area" attacks though... not sure if that was what you were talking about |
| 17:38.13 | Adrine | Yup |
| 17:38.26 | Adrine | 2 or more enemies and no rogue without blade flurry with match my damage output :) |
| 17:38.36 | Ktron | Blade flurry + Adrenaline rush is a lot of fun though |
| 17:38.38 | Adrine | 3 or more enemies and I pull ahead easily. |
| 17:38.56 | Adrine | Blade Flurry is an awesome talent. I love the combat trees, personally. |
| 17:38.56 | Elviso | yeah ppl bitch out AImed->Auto->Multi, when it's not near as bad as Charge(stun)->Spamstring->WW->MS |
| 17:39.06 | zenzelezz | my warrior isn't very good at DPS, but I like the playstyle anway |
| 17:39.17 | Adrine | They're both bad. I can handle the warrior more easily because I can actually attack him back. |
| 17:39.26 | Elviso | our warriors in our raids can lead the DM's anytime they want |
| 17:39.27 | Adrine | A hunter kiting me can kill me without ever taking a single point of damage. |
| 17:39.47 | Adrine | Which is insulting on top of infuriating. |
| 17:39.51 | Elviso | as a hunter, its easy to get embarrased by rogues as well though |
| 17:40.04 | Elviso | depends on who gets the jump, and possibly who's cooldowns are up |
| 17:40.16 | Adrine | If the rogue gets the jump and has cooldowns, he can probably win if he's smart. |
| 17:40.31 | Adrine | If the hunter gets the jump at more than 15 yards or so, the hunter wins pretty much every time. |
| 17:40.46 | [MoonWolf] | Yep |
| 17:40.58 | Tain | Actually it depends a lot on what I'm doing I just realized. I like playing a Warrior in a 5 man group. |
| 17:40.59 | Adrine | The only way I can ever touch a hunter that jumps me is sprint->blind, hope he doesn't have a trap down, lay into him and hope that crippling proc after he trinkets out of my first stun. |
| 17:41.02 | Elviso | the only way I can win against a rogue or warrior getting the initial attack is my pvp trinket, and they both can re-apply their snare before I get out of range....want to talk about frustrating... |
| 17:41.04 | Tain | I like playing a Rogue solo. |
| 17:41.08 | [MoonWolf] | at least two amied shot multishot normal shot cycles |
| 17:41.13 | Tain | I'd like to be a Hunter on a Raid. |
| 17:41.14 | [MoonWolf] | thats a lot of damage. |
| 17:41.33 | Wobin_ | Adrine: Have you any advice for a up and levelling combat rogue? =) |
| 17:41.37 | Tain | I used to like Mage pvp in the early days. |
| 17:41.39 | Adrine | Elviso: I find that trinket->SS is impossible to counter as a rogue, so if you have SS, it's a free get-out-of-melee-range card. |
| 17:41.47 | Adrine | Wobin_: Talents or playstyle or what? |
| 17:41.57 | Wobin_ | Yep =) Any advice is welcome |
| 17:42.07 | Wobin_ | I'm level 31 atm, just having gotten blade flurry |
| 17:42.07 | Elviso | SS? |
| 17:42.07 | Adrine | Let me dig up the post I made on my guild forums... |
| 17:42.08 | Tain | Wobin_: Improved Sinister is a must, then just go with whatever the highest damage weapons you can get every step along the way |
| 17:42.11 | Adrine | Scattershot |
| 17:42.14 | Elviso | oh, scatter |
| 17:42.21 | Tain | Oh that's not levelling! That's well into it. :) |
| 17:42.22 | Elviso | it usually is |
| 17:42.32 | Ktron | Tain, what didn't you like? |
| 17:42.32 | Elviso | unless some idiot knocks you out of it |
| 17:42.36 | Wobin_ | Tain: hehe, I've never levelled so fast =) |
| 17:42.49 | Ktron | Imp SS? First I've ever heard people say its good |
| 17:42.57 | Adrine | Wobin_: Actually, I was working on a guide for my guild's rogues |
| 17:43.04 | Elviso | but if pvp trinket is down, and I get snared.....I'm fucked 99% of the time |
| 17:43.05 | Adrine | Imp SS is the first talent you absolutely must take. |
| 17:43.07 | Adrine | http://wowhistory.digitalsentience.com/index.php/Rogue_Class |
| 17:43.10 | Tain | Ack Imp SS is necessary starting out. |
| 17:43.11 | Adrine | That's what I'm working on |
| 17:43.15 | Adrine | But it's incomplete |
| 17:43.17 | Ktron | I got the other combat one |
| 17:43.18 | Adrine | But I like working in wikis :) |
| 17:43.19 | Tain | Yeah you have to do your first 2 points in Imp SS |
| 17:43.30 | Kirkburn | Female draenei! http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/129/928901_20060510_screen027.jpg |
| 17:43.48 | Adrine | Since energy comes in 20-energy increments, having your primary CP generating ability cost a multiple of 20 helps lot. |
| 17:43.51 | Wobin_ | Improved Gouge, Ktron? |
| 17:44.05 | Ktron | I have imp gouge and lightning reflexes filled... here, one sec |
| 17:44.06 | Adrine | I like Imp Gouge over Lightning Reflexes, personally |
| 17:44.12 | Adrine | Rogues need very little agi per dodge. |
| 17:44.28 | Adrine | Anyway, take a look at that guide, Wobin |
| 17:44.31 | Tain | Improved Gouge I think is good if you're soloing a lot, it helps with the Gouge/Bandage |
| 17:44.39 | Elviso | so basically blizzard didn't make any new female models |
| 17:44.42 | Adrine | I'm still working on it, but it should be enough to get you started. :) |
| 17:44.52 | [MoonWolf] | Improved gouge is alwasy a must |
| 17:44.55 | Elviso | since both of the new ones are just NE female reskins |
| 17:44.56 | Wobin_ | I've got 2 in ImpGouge, 2 in ImpSS and one in Lighting Reflexes |
| 17:45.09 | Adrine | Hm. You can probably leave it like that for now. |
| 17:45.13 | Wobin_ | Then Deflectoin->Riposte |
| 17:45.17 | [MoonWolf] | you should have points in improved ss unless you have hemo |
| 17:45.18 | Adrine | Precision is a must-have for levelling IMO |
| 17:45.23 | Wobin_ | Precision->Dual Wield |
| 17:45.27 | Adrine | Excellent. |
| 17:45.33 | Wobin_ | And Blade Flurry |
| 17:45.34 | Ktron | here, I'll link my build... I'm curious if I've done something really poor |
| 17:45.35 | Adrine | http://wowhistory.digitalsentience.com/index.php/Rogue_Class#Levelling_and_Pre-Raid_PVE |
| 17:45.37 | Tain | I just don't think I ever used Gouge again after starting to raid. |
| 17:45.44 | Adrine | There's my recommended talent progression for levelling a combat rogue. |
| 17:45.49 | [MoonWolf] | bring it on ktron |
| 17:45.55 | Kirkburn | Lol, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly .... http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/129/928901_20060510_screen031.jpg |
| 17:45.56 | Adrine | Tain: I use gouge a lot in ZG and AQ, as well as in PVP. |
| 17:46.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shouryuu (n=Shouryuu@222.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 17:46.04 | Adrine | hahahah |
| 17:46.13 | Tain | PVP yes sure. I'm a pretty non-PVPer these days. :) |
| 17:46.21 | [MoonWolf] | gouge a skill that can always be usefull imho |
| 17:46.34 | Adrine | It's useless in MC, effectively useless in BWL |
| 17:46.41 | [MoonWolf] | a good rogue can keep a mob oftanked with a stunlock like series of moves for some time. |
| 17:46.41 | Adrine | But quite useful in ZG and AQ20. |
| 17:46.43 | Ktron | this is my build: http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?fVe0oxZ0xEzzVzxco I use swords right now |
| 17:46.44 | Adrine | Yup. |
| 17:46.53 | Wobin_ | Hey, does blind take you out of combat? |
| 17:46.57 | Adrine | No |
| 17:46.59 | Ktron | What did I do wrong? |
| 17:47.02 | [MoonWolf] | you have a very normal build |
| 17:47.04 | Adrine | Ktron: Pick up Imp SS first off |
| 17:47.14 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Bobette (n=Shouryuu@222.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 17:47.17 | Adrine | Imp Evis is also a good talent for levelling |
| 17:47.32 | Ktron | what would you get rid of for Imp SS or Imp Evis? |
| 17:47.41 | Adrine | Remorseless |
| 17:47.43 | [MoonWolf] | although personally i would not take remorseless and put the points in imp evisc and murder or improved slice and dice. |
| 17:48.01 | Kirkburn | Btw, these links, change the number at the end to see more pics! http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/129/928901_20060510_screen031.jpg |
| 17:48.07 | Wobin_ | Safe fall allows you to fall further without going out of stealth? |
| 17:48.12 | Adrine | http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?fhezoxZG0EzMVzxco is my current build |
| 17:48.13 | Kirkburn | They're pretty cool |
| 17:48.16 | Adrine | Excpet I use maces. |
| 17:48.24 | Tain | The only thing I personally would do from that list of talent procession is to switch 2 and 3, Adrine. I think getting Improved Evis helps faster than Malice. |
| 17:48.25 | Adrine | Yes, Safe Fall increases the distance you can fall before taking damage |
| 17:48.31 | Wobin_ | Woo. I heard mace builds weren't too good? |
| 17:48.42 | [MoonWolf] | and even more personal taste , i take improved sprint over improved build |
| 17:48.43 | Adrine | The problem with mace builds is that there are almost no endgame maces. |
| 17:48.47 | [MoonWolf] | but the build itself is not bad. |
| 17:48.48 | Ktron | Kirkburn, that first pic is really clear |
| 17:48.51 | Tain | Personally I say go with mace or Sword based on the best weapon you can get. |
| 17:48.52 | [MoonWolf] | only personal things |
| 17:48.58 | Adrine | But I'm using a Spineshatter right now and am gunning for a Sand-Polished off of Ossirian. |
| 17:49.24 | Adrine | Maces are utility compared to swords for damage. Swords do superior damage, but a mace proc in the right place is worth its weight in gold. |
| 17:49.42 | Tain | Yeah, I levelled using Maces originally and it was fun. :) |
| 17:49.49 | Ktron | I hardly ever use slice and dice |
| 17:49.56 | Adrine | Slice and Dice is often neglected. |
| 17:50.08 | Tain | I use Slice and Dice a lot fighting multiple things at once. |
| 17:50.10 | Adrine | But it's essentially a overall 15% damage boost for the duration |
| 17:50.12 | Beladona | you guys saw this right? |
| 17:50.14 | Beladona | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/wisps.html |
| 17:50.15 | Ktron | I can see its use at levels when evis isn't adding much damage |
| 17:50.20 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.24 | Adrine | (White damage is about 50-55% of a rogue's overall damage, and SnD is a 25% boost to that) |
| 17:50.43 | Kirkburn | Beladona, damn concealed hints! |
| 17:50.45 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 17:50.45 | Adrine | Keeping SnD up all the time is far and away the #1 way to improve your sustained damage. |
| 17:50.51 | Adrine | It's less flashy than Evis though. |
| 17:51.06 | Tain | It just depends on what you're fighting. |
| 17:51.20 | Kirkburn | Wow, Quel-thalas is beautiful! |
| 17:52.02 | Ktron | Adrine, I know at lower levels on a twinked rogue, you can almost hit harder than evis with points in it, so slice and dice is the wtg |
| 17:52.03 | Kirkburn | Mrgrlgrlrllrlrlrlrlllgrllgl http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/129/928901_20060510_screen009.jpg |
| 17:52.03 | Wobin_ | Heh, I like using SnD on top of Blade flurry |
| 17:52.10 | Wobin_ | Cause that's a whole lot of fast stabbin |
| 17:52.31 | Adrine | SnD + Blade Flurry is awesome. |
| 17:52.38 | Adrine | SnD + Blade Flurry +Rajaxx buff is scary. |
| 17:52.56 | Tain | I'm actually levelling a new Rogue right now and going to do a high-Poison build just for personal fun. |
| 17:53.48 | Ktron | is cosmosui.org down? I wanted to snag some addons out of their alpha pack |
| 17:53.51 | Wobin_ | I'm thinking SnD+BF+AR... |
| 17:54.07 | Adrine | Draeredarnei female: http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/129/928901_20060510_screen027.jpg |
| 17:54.09 | Wobin_ | Just to take advantage of the 40% bost |
| 17:54.10 | Ktron | Wobin_, yeah, I've done that |
| 17:54.15 | Wobin_ | boost |
| 17:54.29 | Wobin_ | Any preview on the 'Sneaky Rogue Tricks', Adrine? =) |
| 17:54.29 | Adrine | I think? Maybe it's a belf. I don't know. |
| 17:54.32 | Beladona | so did they announce the new race yet? or are they still hinting that it might be an eredar-like pre-tainted Draenei |
| 17:54.39 | Adrine | Heheh, one sec, Wobin :) |
| 17:54.41 | Wobin_ | er |
| 17:54.45 | Wobin_ | Stupid, rather =P |
| 17:55.31 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/e3/ |
| 17:55.31 | [MoonWolf] | WOW |
| 17:55.39 | Adrine | All the screens there for your thumbnailed pleasure |
| 17:55.40 | [MoonWolf] | that is not an ugly race |
| 17:55.45 | [MoonWolf] | taht is the new nightelf female. |
| 17:55.58 | [MoonWolf] | may i say again |
| 17:55.59 | [MoonWolf] | WOW |
| 17:56.16 | [MoonWolf] | i want my new gf to look like that. |
| 17:56.38 | Adrine | They are not nearly as ugly as I thought they'd be. |
| 17:56.44 | Adrine | Sneaky rogue tricks...let's see. |
| 17:57.06 | Adrine | Well, in PVP, you can gouge->restealth after 5 sec. Easy to do with imp gouge. You can then sap your enemy and bandage yourself, then restealth and cheapshot him. :) |
| 17:57.12 | [MoonWolf] | ddistract works on players |
| 17:57.15 | Adrine | Also in PVP, you can use distract to stop enemies from running. |
| 17:57.16 | [MoonWolf] | they turn to the poof |
| 17:57.21 | [MoonWolf] | great way to get a backstab in. |
| 17:57.23 | Adrine | It's quite confusing if you don't know what it is. |
| 17:57.39 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
| 17:57.44 | [MoonWolf] | poof, turns... wtf. |
| 17:57.48 | Wobin_ | Heh, I've heard one nice trick in places with flagrunners is to distract the runner into turning a 180 |
| 17:57.52 | Adrine | Yup. |
| 17:57.54 | [MoonWolf] | yep |
| 17:57.57 | Adrine | Often times they'll start running towards you. |
| 17:57.59 | Adrine | It's great. |
| 17:58.04 | [MoonWolf] | if they have autorun they run righ into you |
| 17:58.56 | [MoonWolf] | a good thing ot know |
| 17:59.04 | Adrine | I have lots of other tricks, but I can't think of them at the moment :) |
| 17:59.13 | Adrine | My mind is still waking up. |
| 17:59.15 | [MoonWolf] | hemo takes less energy and uses the old damage formula |
| 17:59.29 | Adrine | But you need like 9 billion AP for it to outdamage SS still :P |
| 17:59.43 | Adrine | (I'm not so much a fan of Hemo just because it requires so much combat or assassination sacrifice) |
| 17:59.51 | [MoonWolf] | if you have a slow mace hemo performs on par with your sisister strike, but gives a damage bonus for you and takes less energy |
| 18:00.08 | [MoonWolf] | hemo builds are good builds |
| 18:00.38 | Wobin_ | I really like the mural |
| 18:01.00 | Adrine | The 68 damage on SS is equivalent to 340 AP on a 2.8 speed mace with Hemo. |
| 18:01.20 | kremonte | er, that is draenai? |
| 18:01.25 | kremonte | ( http://wow.tachyonsix.com/e3/928901_20060510_screen029.jpg ) |
| 18:01.34 | Adrine | Yup. |
| 18:01.43 | Wobin_ | I'm stocking up on Arthas Gift =P |
| 18:01.52 | kremonte | blue draenei... |
| 18:01.54 | Wobin_ | Cause that's just a nifty potion |
| 18:02.11 | kremonte | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/e3/cdbreaker0177ms.jpg < llollollollollo |
| 18:02.47 | Adrine | kremonte, http://wow.tachyonsix.com/e3/gnomelife2.jpg :) |
| 18:02.54 | kremonte | yea just saw that |
| 18:02.54 | kremonte | haha |
| 18:05.20 | kremonte | wow what the fuck did my dad do |
| 18:05.30 | kremonte | i heard him fucking up my computer this morning to 'see how late i was up' |
| 18:05.38 | kremonte | and now all my fonts are fucking comic sans |
| 18:05.42 | Adrine | Well |
| 18:05.45 | Wobin_ | It's a sign |
| 18:05.48 | Adrine | Fonts are deeply tied to computer usage |
| 18:05.48 | Wobin_ | To read more comics |
| 18:05.52 | Adrine | Just be glad it isn't wingdings. |
| 18:06.03 | kremonte | comic sans is fucking worse than wingdings |
| 18:07.46 | [MoonWolf] | what is the cooldown on coc ? |
| 18:08.28 | Adrine | I should include regen kiting in my stupid rogue tricks section. |
| 18:09.08 | [MoonWolf] | Regen kiting ? |
| 18:09.30 | Adrine | Crippling poison or gouge, run away, let your energy regen and your cooldowns finish while waiting on the enemy to come to you. |
| 18:09.45 | Adrine | Most rogues tend to play always in-your-face, but against NPCs, it works wonders |
| 18:10.01 | Adrine | I regularly solo Hederine Slayers in Darkwhisper by doing that, and it's quite reliable. :) |
| 18:10.16 | Adrine | Doesn't work so much against PCs other than other rogues and the occassional paladin though. |
| 18:10.31 | [MoonWolf] | kk |
| 18:10.34 | kremonte | Adrine: i do it all the time in PVP |
| 18:10.35 | [MoonWolf] | sounds interesting |
| 18:10.37 | [MoonWolf] | ill try it. |
| 18:10.53 | kremonte | do you have "get a fast gun and shoot hunters trying to kite you with aotc on"? |
| 18:11.04 | Adrine | I usually just toss grenades at them :) |
| 18:11.12 | Adrine | Nothing ruins a hunter's day like a ranged gouge. |
| 18:11.35 | Adrine | Linkin's boomerang is an awesome trinket for that |
| 18:11.39 | Adrine | Especially if it procs the stun. |
| 18:12.10 | kremonte | well i'm level 38 non-engineer :P |
| 18:13.27 | Adrine | Well, if they're using AotC, shooting 'em is the way to go, no doubt :D |
| 18:13.38 | Adrine | I just generally find I can't afford the windup time on the gun |
| 18:13.48 | Adrine | However, you can throw grenades while moving |
| 18:13.52 | Adrine | Which is velly nice :D |
| 18:13.56 | [MoonWolf] | A good one would deactivate AotC and switch to monkey or hawk straight away |
| 18:14.01 | [MoonWolf] | i have a macro to do that. |
| 18:14.16 | Adrine | Right, which is why it's usually not worth the time to wind up the gunshot. |
| 18:14.25 | Adrine | Ooh, here's a good one |
| 18:14.43 | Adrine | When fighting enemy rogues or warriors and they try to run away from you to get OOC to restealth or charge... |
| 18:14.59 | Adrine | ...use SnD on them. 100 yard range and it registers as an offensive action which keeps them in combat. |
| 18:15.10 | [MoonWolf] | lol it took one warrior 30 secs to kill me, i helped kill 3 horde in that tim.e |
| 18:15.11 | [MoonWolf] | he sucks. |
| 18:15.13 | Adrine | You can do it on hunters that try to FD-trap, too, though that's a bit twitchier. |
| 18:16.25 | [MoonWolf] | I dont know whats worse, that i can kill a 39 with him and a tuaren shaman hitting on me |
| 18:16.35 | [MoonWolf] | or that i did it 2 times in a row. |
| 18:18.02 | Wobin_ | Adrine: rofl that's great =) |
| 18:18.12 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Legorol^ (n=Legorol@tcmpc43.phy.cam.ac.uk) |
| 18:18.58 | Wobin_ | I hear Rupture doesn't pull you into combat, ie you can rupture, vanish, and mobs don't regen? |
| 18:18.59 | wereHamster | [MoonWolf], I'd say def specced warrior |
| 18:19.07 | Adrine | I hadn't heard that one before |
| 18:19.09 | [MoonWolf] | most lilely |
| 18:19.11 | [MoonWolf] | but still |
| 18:19.13 | [MoonWolf] | its funny |
| 18:19.21 | Adrine | Rupture shouldn't put you in combat, but I expect that they would regen, but still ahve the DOT on them. |
| 18:19.32 | [MoonWolf] | he is slaming me with his sword, and im like, yeah, keep going. |
| 18:19.45 | Wobin_ | Well, that they don't do the instant regen like a normal vanish would do |
| 18:20.43 | [MoonWolf] | The dot keeps them in combat |
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| 18:21.00 | [MoonWolf] | in the horde rogue quest in the tower |
| 18:21.04 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 18:21.17 | Wobin_ | ComicSansMS! |
| 18:21.21 | Wobin_ | We were just talking about you =P |
| 18:21.22 | Adrine | Vanish is a weird, fickle thing. |
| 18:21.22 | [MoonWolf] | you have to kill an elite taht looses 50% hp when you ambush |
| 18:21.32 | [MoonWolf] | so you ambush, rupture, vanish, ambush. |
| 18:21.40 | Adrine | Huh. did't know that! Good to know! |
| 18:21.52 | Wobin_ | Oh is that the one in Westfall? |
| 18:21.56 | Wobin_ | no that can't be right |
| 18:21.59 | Wobin_ | horde =P |
| 18:22.01 | ComicSansMS | @wobin: ??? |
| 18:22.13 | kremonte | yes,yes |
| 18:22.15 | kremonte | ComicSansMS is evil |
| 18:22.26 | ComicSansMS | hehe ^^ |
| 18:22.26 | kremonte | somebody/something changed all my fucking fonts to comic sans |
| 18:22.34 | kremonte | this is more than 300 fonts mind you |
| 18:22.37 | Adrine | Ooh, there's the imp vanish -> sprint trick. |
| 18:22.55 | Adrine | Imp Vanish improves your vanished stealth speed by 30% |
| 18:23.20 | Adrine | So you can hit sprint and vanish, and then unstealth and still have the vanish buff on you, giving you 200% movement speed for the duration of Vanish. |
| 18:23.22 | Wobin_ | so plus 80% |
| 18:23.27 | Wobin_ | oh |
| 18:23.29 | [MoonWolf] | A imp vanish sprint rogue with speed enchant on boots can run faster then a a mount. |
| 18:23.32 | Wobin_ | well that's... scary |
| 18:23.33 | Adrine | Yup. |
| 18:23.43 | Adrine | It's quite odd looking. :) |
| 18:24.12 | Adrine | Boots + imp vanish + sprint is 208% movement speed, I believe. |
| 18:24.33 | [MoonWolf] | requires camo though |
| 18:24.45 | [MoonWolf] | but then you can keep up with an epic mount |
| 18:24.47 | Wobin_ | Nah, cause you're not stealthed at that point |
| 18:24.55 | [MoonWolf] | if we want too, you really can not escape. |
| 18:24.59 | Adrine | No, you drop stealth, so no camo needed |
| 18:25.22 | Adrine | vanish->click off stealth but keep vanish buff->become the Flash for a few seconds. |
| 18:26.24 | [MoonWolf] | sonic kiss my leather clad ass. |
| 18:26.33 | Wobin_ | I'm sure you could write a macro for that.. |
| 18:26.50 | Wobin_ | do they all use global cooldowns? |
| 18:26.56 | Adrine | But, that requires you to be specced imp vanish, which is gimp unless you're 21/8/22 I think :) |
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| 18:27.09 | Adrine | Vanish does, sprint does |
| 18:27.13 | Adrine | So yeah |
| 18:27.17 | Wobin_ | bah =) |
| 18:27.24 | Adrine | But you could mash it. |
| 18:27.30 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 18:27.33 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 18:27.37 | Wobin_ | Iriel! |
| 18:27.40 | Adrine | Ooh, another PVP trick. |
| 18:27.59 | Adrine | If a paladin casts Blessing of Protection on himself to heal, you can still blind him. The blind will outlast the BoP and you can restealth before it wears off. |
| 18:28.09 | Iriel | Morning all |
| 18:28.14 | Adrine | With Forebearance now, it basically guarantees a win against a non-dwarf. |
| 18:28.26 | Wobin_ | If they remember their stoneskin =) |
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| 18:28.42 | Adrine | If a dwarf stoneforms, he can counter it, yes. |
| 18:28.49 | Wobin_ | Then again, as a priest, I hardly ever remember having that racial |
| 18:28.59 | Adrine | I abuse it liberally on my warrior. |
| 18:29.51 | Wobin_ | Iriel: Do you know much about the Model uiobject? I can get it showing a model for -some- things, but not others.... |
| 18:30.50 | Iriel | Wobin_ : very little i'm afraid |
| 18:30.57 | Iriel | Wobin_ : I believe the camera can be an issue |
| 18:31.02 | Wobin_ | hm. |
| 18:31.22 | Wobin_ | Cause I get the Checkerbox cube on some models |
| 18:31.33 | Wobin_ | But others render fine |
| 18:31.59 | Iriel | Oh, that wouldn't be the camera then I guess |
| 18:32.34 | kremonte | bah, why can't you see glows in DressUpFrame >< |
| 18:32.35 | Iriel | Isn't the checkerbox a sign of a model that's not there? |
| 18:32.46 | kremonte | yes, it is |
| 18:32.49 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 18:32.57 | Wobin_ | I'm -fairly- sure I'm using the right path |
| 18:33.11 | kremonte | what path are you using? |
| 18:33.23 | kremonte | i believe wow likes to be a pain in the ass :p |
| 18:34.30 | ComicSansMS | afaik models are loaded pretty much like textures... |
| 18:34.38 | Wobin_ | Creature\\Turtle\\Turtle.mpx |
| 18:34.46 | Wobin_ | (unless it's Creatures) |
| 18:34.48 | ComicSansMS | that means, you cannot load them from a macro or a script if they weren't loaded at startup |
| 18:35.08 | Wobin_ | It's the same model as my orphan reward |
| 18:35.41 | kremonte | hm, didn't know you could load mpx models |
| 18:35.41 | kremonte | :E |
| 18:36.12 | Wobin_ | Well, they're m2 models, but the wiki says to use mpx |
| 18:36.41 | kremonte | the file is .m2? |
| 18:36.43 | kremonte | then use .m2 |
| 18:37.50 | ComicSansMS | mdx should work for both files... m2 seems to be a leftover from old wc3 times... |
| 18:37.56 | Wobin_ | oh that works |
| 18:38.02 | Wobin_ | albeit without a skin |
| 18:38.24 | kremonte | if the file is an m2 without an mdx i don't see why mdx would could or should work |
| 18:39.30 | ComicSansMS | it's strange, but all of the files inside the mpqs are m2s, though they're all referred to as mdx everywhere... |
| 18:39.36 | ComicSansMS | and so far it worked for me.. |
| 18:40.58 | kremonte | i don't get this, why do so many shaman run in GW instead of mounted? |
| 18:41.05 | kremonte | i don't see what advantage it poses |
| 18:41.30 | Tain | Being a ghost wolf is cooler. |
| 18:41.37 | kremonte | well |
| 18:41.40 | kremonte | you have a point |
| 18:41.52 | Tain | Beyond that, I don't know. |
| 18:42.06 | Wobin_ | I guess you can't be dismounted in GW form? |
| 18:42.15 | Tain | Can you mine/gather/skin/etc. while in GW? |
| 18:42.18 | Adrine | GW can be dispelled/purged |
| 18:42.18 | kremonte | this guy is level 52 running through , uh, alterac |
| 18:42.20 | Adrine | And yes, you can |
| 18:42.21 | Wobin_ | Yep |
| 18:42.38 | Wobin_ | PS I love the Druidcat's gathering animation |
| 18:42.45 | Tain | yeah that's funny stuff |
| 18:42.46 | kremonte | ..it has an animation? |
| 18:42.50 | Wobin_ | yeah =) |
| 18:42.52 | kremonte | is it new? ._. |
| 18:42.57 | Wobin_ | It looks like it's burying offal =) |
| 18:43.01 | kremonte | i played druid 1.8ish, didnt have an animation ;/ |
| 18:43.04 | Tain | Oh yeah, it's good. I only saw it for the first time recently, don't know if it's new. |
| 18:43.05 | Wobin_ | Since the patch |
| 18:43.45 | kremonte | howd you fix it wobin? |
| 18:43.53 | Wobin_ | tbh, I dunno =P |
| 18:43.58 | Tain | hehe |
| 18:44.02 | Wobin_ | It works fine, I must have misspelt something |
| 18:44.06 | Osagasu | The latest revision of the mage talents makes me warm and fuzzy inside. <3 |
| 18:44.18 | Wobin_ | Except for the fact that there's no skin on the turtle |
| 18:44.18 | Osagasu | new stuff today |
| 18:44.23 | Wobin_ | It's only a white model |
| 18:44.28 | Tain | I feel dirty. I just downloaded the Matrix Online client for free trial. |
| 18:44.36 | Tain | But I haven't actualy installed yet, so there's hope. |
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| 18:45.38 | Adrine | I downloaded it for the beta and promptly forgot about it |
| 18:45.43 | Adrine | I think I still ahve the installer on my ipod. |
| 18:45.58 | ComicSansMS | @wobin: most actor models are rendered untextured... it's because one mdx-file can host many different submeshes belonging to a single actor, each with different textures... |
| 18:46.12 | ComicSansMS | therefore the modelframe is unable to determine the correct submodel/texture |
| 18:46.34 | ComicSansMS | it gets worse when using complex models like NightElfFemale.m2... |
| 18:47.27 | Tain | The only thing I heard about Matrix now is, "It's a LOT better than it started out." |
| 18:47.53 | Adrine | Which is a lot like saying "This poop smells a LOT better than it used to" from what I've heard |
| 18:47.59 | Tain | Yes indeed. |
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| 18:49.39 | Adrine | Dahahahaha! |
| 18:49.40 | Adrine | http://revolution.ign.com/articles/706/706955p1.html |
| 18:49.42 | Adrine | Perfect! |
| 18:49.44 | Wobin_ | ComicSansMS: Any way to retexture? |
| 18:50.29 | Adrine | Man. Sony has totally and completely botched the initial impressions of the PS3. |
| 18:52.05 | ComicSansMS | @wobin not without editing the model file... |
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| 18:55.50 | Kirkburn | Adrine, for me personally, it's a total disaster |
| 18:56.48 | Kirkburn | They only told the game devs that the controller would have motion sensing ONE WEEK AGO! It's quite obvious they took one look at Nintendo and said "we'd better copy them" |
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| 18:57.22 | Adrine | They missed first-to-market (360), they missed top-new-features (Wii), they HIT "most expensive", they pulled a subpar "me too" on the motion sensing controller... |
| 18:57.47 | Kirkburn | Yeah, and I fail to see any innovation whatsoever any more (apart from the cell, obviously) |
| 18:57.49 | Adrine | The cell processors are apparently stupidly hard and expensive to make, which sends the price skyrocketing. |
| 18:58.01 | Adrine | And the cell processing seems...very gimmicky at this point. |
| 18:58.06 | Kirkburn | *and* so are the Blu-Ray players :S |
| 18:58.21 | Adrine | I dunno. Blu-ray will end up being big in the PC market, I expect. |
| 18:58.25 | Kirkburn | Asking $599 for a console is really pushing it |
| 18:58.34 | Adrine | I think they made the right choice with the Blu-ray, but that's the only thing I think they got right. |
| 18:58.45 | Ktron | gah, stupid cosmosui being down |
| 18:58.47 | Adrine | Well, as far as standards go. |
| 18:58.51 | Kirkburn | HD-DVD is much cheaper though, which may count for a lot |
| 18:58.58 | Adrine | For "home entertainment console", HD-DVD is the way to go |
| 18:59.08 | Adrine | Since you'll probably see more entertainment on HD-DVD, and more data on Blu-ray |
| 18:59.18 | Ktron | Do any sites mirror the cosmosui packs? |
| 18:59.24 | Adrine | So they may have just shot themselves in the foot piracy-wise, depending on Blu-ray's PC market penetration. |
| 18:59.42 | Kirkburn | Ktron, check the wiki? |
| 18:59.45 | wereHamster | what's Wii ? |
| 18:59.47 | Adrine | But $600 for a console is insane. |
| 18:59.48 | Kirkburn | The patcher works fine for me |
| 18:59.52 | Adrine | Wii = Nintendo Revolution |
| 19:00.12 | Kirkburn | wereHamster, is that a nice rock you're living under? |
| 19:00.18 | wereHamster | ah.. everyone's talking about it but I don't know what that is :-P |
| 19:00.28 | kremonte | Kirkburn* |
| 19:00.33 | kremonte | not everyone is into consoles :E |
| 19:00.34 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 19:00.37 | Adrine | If Nintendo manages to put out the Wii for under $200, I predict they are going to win this generation of consoles without any doubt at all. |
| 19:00.48 | Kirkburn | kremoente, I've never owned a console in my life |
| 19:00.48 | Ktron | Kirkburn, you are a erupting volcano, searing the world into knowledge and understanding |
| 19:00.58 | wereHamster | I think the rock is called 'matterhorn' |
| 19:00.59 | Kirkburn | *kremonte :P lol, that wasn't on purpose |
| 19:01.12 | kremonte | Kirkburn: i don't really care about revolution, i have no idea what Wii is |
| 19:01.42 | Kirkburn | It's often referred to a a Number Two, kremonte :P |
| 19:02.12 | Kirkburn | Sorry, toilet jokes again |
| 19:02.12 | kremonte | ..a number two? |
| 19:02.15 | kremonte | oh. |
| 19:02.18 | Adrine | Arcane Subtlety - Ranks 2 - Reduces your target's resistance to all your spells by 5/10 and all of your Arcane spells cause 20/40% less threat edit Reduced ranks, aggro reduce effects arcane only |
| 19:02.31 | Kirkburn | That's the updated version? |
| 19:02.38 | Adrine | Yes. |
| 19:02.49 | Adrine | Wand Specialization - Ranks 2 - Requires 5 points in Arcane Talents - Increases your damage with Wands by 13/25% edit reduced to 2 ranks |
| 19:02.51 | Adrine | Err. |
| 19:02.54 | Adrine | Magic Absorption - Ranks 5 - When you resist a spell, you regain 1/2/3/4/5% of your max. mana and increases all resistances by 2/4/6/8/10 edit New ability |
| 19:03.06 | sancus | heh new mage changes are broken |
| 19:03.19 | Adrine | Burning Soul - Ranks 2 - Requires 10 points in Fire Talents - Gives your fire spells a 35/70% chance to not lose casting time when you take damage and reduces threat by 15/30%. edit added threat reduction |
| 19:03.19 | Ktron | Is Evocation completely gone, or just a normal spell now? |
| 19:03.22 | Adrine | Normal spell. |
| 19:03.26 | Ktron | awesome :) |
| 19:03.33 | Kirkburn | Damn, Adrine, you're too fast for me now :P |
| 19:03.46 | Kirkburn | sancus? |
| 19:04.04 | sancus | by broken I mean too good :) |
| 19:04.23 | Adrine | Basically, they added -aggro effects in each tree. |
| 19:04.23 | Kirkburn | What a strange dictionary you use :P |
| 19:04.33 | Kirkburn | Yeah, Tseric said they were gonna split it up |
| 19:04.34 | sancus | not really |
| 19:04.35 | Adrine | Shatter - Ranks 5 - Requires 15 points in Frost Talents and 2 points in Imp. Frost Nova - Increases the critical strike chance of all your spells against frozen targets by 10/20/30/40/50%. edit Changed prereq. from Frostbite to Imp. Frost Nova |
| 19:04.37 | Adrine | Interesting. |
| 19:04.47 | sancus | standard mmog dictionary |
| 19:05.01 | Adrine | Ice Barrier - Ranks 1 - Requires 30 points in Frost Talents and 1 point in Ice Block 305 mana/instant/30 sec cooldown - Instantly shields you, absorbing 454 damage. Lasts 1 min. While the shield holds, spells will not be interrupted. Now stacks with PW: Shield and gains 10% of +Frost dmg gear. Absorb effects now prioritized over Mana Shield. edit added functionality |
| 19:05.08 | sancus | that's a nerf |
| 19:05.17 | sancus | the change of imp. frost nova to prereq, I mean |
| 19:05.24 | kremonte | oh god, mages are already bitching |
| 19:05.27 | Kirkburn | "Some brand new abilities"? |
| 19:05.41 | sancus | but it's a nerf which pales in comparison to the insanity of the other changes |
| 19:05.48 | Iriel | Adrine: I dont believe that just making wii for $200 is enough to win, because they'd have to deliver the same capabilities as the other consoles for $200 to be successful |
| 19:05.50 | sancus | -30% aggro on frost tree for free, winter's chill at 2% per point |
| 19:05.57 | sancus | Ice Barrier as basically personal PW:S |
| 19:06.02 | Tain | It's the games, not the console. |
| 19:06.03 | Iriel | Adrine : My game cube was far cheaper than my xbox, but it just gathers dust 90% of the time |
| 19:06.27 | Adrine | The GC and the Xbox are functionally identical though. The direction Nintendo is taking with the Wii could be absolutely killer. |
| 19:06.37 | Adrine | They're looking at expanding their market rather than capturing more of the existing market. |
| 19:06.37 | Tain | Although the Gamecube controller made buying decisions for me. If a game was available for multiple consoles I always bought it for something else. |
| 19:06.39 | Kirkburn | And it's aimed more at adults for once |
| 19:06.45 | Iriel | Functionally identical? |
| 19:07.03 | Adrine | There are no distinguishing features between the two other than the library, really. |
| 19:07.05 | Kirkburn | It plays games. :P |
| 19:07.07 | Tain | Console technical capabilities are utterly irrelevant if there aren't enough quality games to take advantage. |
| 19:07.32 | Iriel | I guess I just couldn't find the ethernet port on my gamecube |
| 19:07.35 | Adrine | The Wii is fundamentally different from the 360 or PS3 with its completely different approach to the control interface. |
| 19:07.36 | Iriel | or the dvd drive |
| 19:07.47 | Adrine | Well, I'll give it that. |
| 19:07.48 | Kirkburn | Iriel's going blind |
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| 19:08.07 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 19:08.07 | Adrine | My GC has an ethernet port, but it is a peripheral. |
| 19:08.08 | Iriel | or the hard drive |
| 19:08.09 | Kirkburn | Actually, make that 8-) |
| 19:08.22 | Adrine | But the two both play the same games in the same manner, which was my point. |
| 19:08.22 | Iriel | or the (weak) HD output |
| 19:08.27 | Tain | I just don't see a DVD drive as relevant, personally. That's why *I* have quality DVD players. |
| 19:09.02 | Tain | DVD was a huge deal with the original PS2 because home DVD players were just coming into vogue. |
| 19:09.04 | Iriel | Tain: As storage capacity for a game I believe the GC can't come close to the XBox in terms of what can fit on a disk |
| 19:09.17 | Adrine | I'm pretty sure you're right there, but that's a developer concern :) |
| 19:09.24 | Iriel | It's a game content concern too |
| 19:09.34 | Tain | That's true Iriel, but PS2 and Xbox games didn't usually fill a DVD either. |
| 19:09.42 | Adrine | To an extent, but there are corners that can be cut if necessary without a large impact. |
| 19:09.50 | Tain | And when they did it was mostly FMV, which for *me* didn't matter as much as gameplay. |
| 19:09.57 | Adrine | GC stuff consistently looks better than PS2 stuff, and generally only slightly worse than Xbox stuff, IMO. |
| 19:10.24 | Kirkburn | A well coded and good-looking game need not fill a CD |
| 19:10.31 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Dpeneds on the game |
| 19:10.35 | Iriel | Kirkburn : what about oblivion? |
| 19:10.37 | Adrine | It's generally the resources that eat it up. Specifically, textures. :) |
| 19:10.43 | Tain | Today it does, you need high-definitiont extures. |
| 19:11.04 | Kirkburn | Bah humbug, Spore won't need it :P |
| 19:11.14 | Iriel | Spore will need a hard drive, though |
| 19:11.24 | Adrine | I guess my point is that there is a fundamental shift by Nintendo towards making the Wii accessable to everyone and their mother - literally. If they price it such that it's attractice to the non-early-adapter crowd, they have a winner on their hands. |
| 19:11.29 | Kirkburn | Anyways, I was suggesting the procedurally created textures are better anyway |
| 19:11.29 | Iriel | I do agree with the basic notion that for many games all consoles can manage it |
| 19:11.57 | Kirkburn | *that |
| 19:11.57 | Adrine | Procedural textures rarely look good beyond sky or ground textures :P |
| 19:11.57 | Adrine | And only then for dirt/grass |
| 19:11.59 | Kirkburn | That's because they were coded badly :) |
| 19:12.12 | Iriel | But the $200 console will die if there's a must have game that needs the capabilities of the $400 console |
| 19:12.23 | Kirkburn | $600, you mean :) |
| 19:12.38 | Iriel | I'm talking about the 360, by the time Wii ever shows up on a store shelf |
| 19:12.40 | Adrine | I don't know about "die". People will likely own multiple consoles. I have a GC, Xbox, and PS2 sitting in my living room. |
| 19:12.57 | Kirkburn | Ah fair ... it can be turned around though |
| 19:12.57 | Adrine | But I suspect the Wii will have a broader market penetration than the 360 or PS3. |
| 19:12.59 | Iriel | We are not 'representative' of the population at large though 8-) |
| 19:13.08 | Adrine | Indeed. |
| 19:13.08 | Kirkburn | The Wii has features missing from the Xbox and PS3 |
| 19:13.19 | Adrine | The Wii won't be a replacement for the 360 and PS3 for gamers like we are. |
| 19:13.20 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Like what? A stupid name? |
| 19:13.27 | Kirkburn | The controller, for one |
| 19:13.33 | Adrine | But for people who are less involved in gaming, I think it'll be their first choice. |
| 19:13.36 | Kirkburn | And that's a *major* part of it |
| 19:13.43 | Iriel | it's a controller, if it's successful i'll get one for my xbox for $30 at best buy |
| 19:13.52 | Iriel | That's no revolution, pun intended |
| 19:14.20 | krka | nintendos USP has always been the games themselves |
| 19:14.27 | krka | which have always, imo, held a high quality |
| 19:14.39 | Iriel | Indeed, I have a game cube because of Animal Crossin |
| 19:14.40 | Adrine | I think it's more the design philosophy that is the "revolution". As experienced gamers we tend to think in terms of controllers. |
| 19:14.42 | Iriel | +g |
| 19:14.43 | Kirkburn | iriel, the controller is much more of a revolution than I suspect you believe |
| 19:14.56 | Kirkburn | The games will be designed around it |
| 19:14.57 | kremonte | nintendo has the appeal of being 'kid-friendly' as well as 'oldschoo;' |
| 19:14.58 | Iriel | Kirkburn : We'll see. |
| 19:15.00 | Tain | It doesn't matter what the features are. It needs the games. |
| 19:15.03 | kremonte | s/;/l |
| 19:15.07 | Adrine | However, I lent my dad my Gamecube so he could try it out last weekend, and he fumbled with it for a good 5 minutes before he figured it out. |
| 19:15.15 | Iriel | Games that are designed around it will be nintendo only |
| 19:15.21 | Kirkburn | Not true |
| 19:15.23 | Adrine | And he -works- in technology. He's just not a gamer. |
| 19:15.24 | Iriel | which means that'll be niche players, relatively speaking |
| 19:15.32 | Kirkburn | Or do you mean Wii-only? |
| 19:15.57 | Iriel | *OR* there will be an explosion of content for that controller style and all consoles will get those kinds of controllers. |
| 19:16.02 | Iriel | I mean wii only, I suppose. |
| 19:16.28 | Kirkburn | True, but for those other consoles, the games won't have been designed around that controller |
| 19:16.39 | zenzelezz | nice... Chromatic Carapace won by a mage |
| 19:16.42 | Tain | Then tehy're not the same game. |
| 19:16.56 | Tain | Madden NFL will have a Wii version to take advantage of the controller. |
| 19:17.02 | Tain | There will also be Madden NFL for other consoles. |
| 19:17.05 | Tain | They won't be the same. |
| 19:17.08 | Kirkburn | (I'm just pissed at Sony for having no imagination whatsoever) |
| 19:17.22 | Tain | What lack of imagination are they showing? |
| 19:17.41 | Iriel | The last time I played with a 'gravitational controller' it was "teh suxxor" |
| 19:17.54 | Iriel | so i'm not holding my breath for anything less than a gimmick |
| 19:18.09 | Iriel | apologies to all the nintendo believers |
| 19:18.32 | Iriel | If anyone can pull it off, nintendo will be the ones who do, but still, it's a gamble |
| 19:18.36 | Adrine | That was my initial reaction, as well, but ...yeah |
| 19:18.40 | Adrine | If anyone can pull it off, it's nintendo. |
| 19:18.59 | Adrine | It's very...foreign to what we're used to. |
| 19:19.02 | Iriel | The DS remains much more successful than I initially thought it might |
| 19:19.10 | Adrine | The DS is specifically why I think they can pull this off. |
| 19:19.17 | Iriel | but it's still not amazing |
| 19:19.22 | Adrine | Because when it was first announced, everyone said "gimmick", but they've made it work. |
| 19:19.25 | Iriel | it's cool, but the games are trickling out |
| 19:19.39 | Tain | I almost bought a DS until I held a PSP. |
| 19:19.41 | Iriel | Now, sony are clearly retarded based on the PSP's dismal lack of presence |
| 19:19.44 | Adrine | Their presentation yesterday said they have something like...130? new games they're releasing for the DS before the end of the year. |
| 19:19.55 | Tain | As soon as I picked up a PSP I was willing to spend almost double for it. |
| 19:20.06 | Iriel | I love my PSP, and I want to have something good to play on it |
| 19:20.13 | Iriel | Other than Lumines |
| 19:20.14 | Iriel | that is |
| 19:20.14 | Kirkburn | (Tain, apart from the two-year old cell idea, I've not yet seen anything special about the PS3) |
| 19:20.19 | wereHamster | Iriel, could you take a quick look at my metatables? I don't know if I use them the right way.. http://wow.pastebin.com/710007 thanks |
| 19:20.54 | Adrine | Proposed mage change: Arcane Resistance: (1/1) Increase Resistance to all schools of magic by 20% of the mages intellect. |
| 19:20.55 | Adrine | LAWLS |
| 19:21.06 | Iriel | wereHamster : getfenv(0) not _G |
| 19:21.24 | Kirkburn | Adrine, *much* better than crappy armour bonus |
| 19:21.28 | Tain | Nintendo being in third place in the US market has to try to do something "revolutionary" to leapfrog up. |
| 19:21.41 | Kirkburn | What, and that means Sony should give up? |
| 19:21.48 | Tain | Sony being in better position has to do incremental improvements over what they already have which is BETTER. |
| 19:22.06 | Kirkburn | Why? |
| 19:22.09 | Adrine | An epic mage would get something like +80 resist to all schools. |
| 19:22.10 | wereHamster | Iriel, but the { __index = ? } is correct? doesn't getfenv() return a metatable? |
| 19:22.14 | Adrine | No, that's not overpowered at all. |
| 19:22.34 | Tain | Sony would be foolish to alienate their huge market by going vastly away from what everyone has thoroughly bought into for the last 5 years or so. |
| 19:23.04 | Kirkburn | True, but without having something special over the opposition, that won't help |
| 19:23.04 | Tain | Instead they take what is proven to work, and make it better. I dont' see why that could possibly be disappointing. |
| 19:23.14 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/710018 |
| 19:23.28 | Kirkburn | Okay, but unless they have something special they *will* lose markey share |
| 19:23.31 | Iriel | getfenv/setfenv returns a normal table |
| 19:23.31 | Kirkburn | *market |
| 19:23.33 | Tain | Why? |
| 19:23.41 | Adrine | The $600 price tag isn't going to win any new believers either. |
| 19:23.44 | Kirkburn | And they don't have GTA exclusives any more |
| 19:23.55 | wereHamster | Iriel, ah ok.. thanks :) |
| 19:23.56 | Tain | Exclusives only make or break Nintendo. |
| 19:24.02 | Kirkburn | Which was basically *the* thing for the PS2 |
| 19:24.19 | Tain | Ok, you're entering into some revisionist history with the PS2 now. |
| 19:24.37 | Kirkburn | You're telling me that people didn't buy a PS2 to play GTA? |
| 19:24.52 | Tain | That's not what you said. |
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| 19:25.05 | Iriel | I didn't buy a PS2 period, I almost got one for free, but then I couldn't get speakeasy DSL 8-( |
| 19:25.05 | Tain | People bought a PS2 to play a lot of different things. |
| 19:25.07 | Kirkburn | GTA has always been the biggest draw for the PS2 |
| 19:25.11 | Tain | That's simply not true. |
| 19:25.21 | Kirkburn | I said it was the biggest, not the only |
| 19:25.41 | Adrine | I think that the 360 is going to be dominant in the hardcore gamer market, and the Wii will be dominant in the casual gamer + secondary hardcore gamer market. |
| 19:25.46 | Adrine | That's my gut feeling. :) |
| 19:26.04 | Iriel | Hopefully the 360's will stop breaking |
| 19:26.18 | Iriel | Not that I regret in any way buying one |
| 19:26.27 | Adrine | I think they rushed a bit fast to get 'em to market. |
| 19:26.31 | Adrine | Which I can't blame them for, sure. |
| 19:26.38 | Adrine | But the problems aren't minor when they show up. |
| 19:26.40 | Iriel | But of the 2 people I know with one (myself, my friend) ours both failed and had to go back in |
| 19:26.42 | Tain | That's always been MS's MO though. |
| 19:26.42 | Kirkburn | Yeah, if they'd known how long Sony would take ... :P |
| 19:26.52 | Iriel | though to microsoft's credit they got replacements out in just over a week |
| 19:27.06 | Adrine | I blew up my cousin's Call of Duty disc the first day I laid hands on a 360 >_< |
| 19:27.20 | Kirkburn | I thought MSs MO was delays ;) |
| 19:27.20 | Wobin_ | Anyone know what I need to do to a ScrollingMessageFrame in order for it to actually recieve AddMessage and display it? |
| 19:27.43 | Adrine | Stood up and accidentally bumped the console (which was standing upright at the time, as the front panel would seem to indicate is the right way to do it), and bam, grooved disc. |
| 19:27.50 | Kirkburn | Ah |
| 19:27.57 | Iriel | Wobin_ : Err, call AddMessage? |
| 19:28.02 | Iriel | Wobin_ : make sure it has a valid font? |
| 19:28.13 | Kirkburn | If you turn over and Xbox whilst it's playing, it's baaaad |
| 19:28.31 | Adrine | Not even turn over. Just introduce a little wobble and you're buying a new disc. |
| 19:28.49 | Iriel | welcome to rotational dynamics |
| 19:28.53 | Adrine | Yup. |
| 19:29.05 | Adrine | Though part of it is bad tray design, from what I've read. |
| 19:29.05 | Iriel | I dont like how noisy the 360 drive is |
| 19:29.21 | Adrine | I was very suprised at how noisy it was, especially after the relatively quite Xbox. |
| 19:29.31 | Iriel | Mine's horizontal, but still noisy |
| 19:29.36 | Adrine | It really lets you know that it's spinning that disc. |
| 19:29.46 | Iriel | the replacement has different noises than my original too, which is funny |
| 19:29.56 | Adrine | I wonder if they tightened 'em up somewhat |
| 19:29.58 | Iriel | It's more of a hum now, and was more of a whoosh before |
| 19:29.59 | ToastTheif | could I get somone to look at some code real quick? |
| 19:30.00 | Kirkburn | I can't actually think of a reason to buy a PS3 over an Xbox 360, apart from perhaps slightly improved gfx |
| 19:30.03 | ToastTheif | it's a 36 line addon |
| 19:30.09 | Adrine | Kirkburn: That's kinda my impression right now too. |
| 19:30.10 | ToastTheif | so it wont take long |
| 19:30.27 | Adrine | Unless Sony acquires a license I absolutely have to have, I can't see myself buying a PS3 |
| 19:30.34 | ToastTheif | http://pastebin.com/710040 - Lua file |
| 19:30.34 | ToastTheif | http://pastebin.com/710049 - toc file |
| 19:30.37 | Adrine | And even then, it'd take a price drop or four for me to consider it. |
| 19:30.38 | Kirkburn | I don't doubt MS will bring out a tilting controller soon too |
| 19:31.17 | Kirkburn | Sony, you've got 6 months to impress me ... can you manage it? |
| 19:33.29 | ToastTheif | it's just supposed to display the health and mana of your target in the target frame |
| 19:35.06 | Kirkburn | Official annoucement on the WoW site! http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ |
| 19:35.45 | ToastTheif | that's been out for like a few hours already =P |
| 19:37.05 | Tain | XBox 360 has been out six months now, it hasn't wowed me into buying one yet. |
| 19:37.13 | KarlKFI | so, where's my eye-piece HUD and virtual realty goggles that dont suck? |
| 19:38.07 | ToastTheif | soo |
| 19:38.12 | ToastTheif | anyone wanna look at that code? |
| 19:38.21 | ToastTheif | Tain? Iriel? /poke |
| 19:39.53 | Adrine | Uhh. |
| 19:40.03 | Adrine | Did they just retcon Sargeras and the Eredar? |
| 19:40.07 | Adrine | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/draenei.html |
| 19:40.20 | Adrine | I thought it was the Eredar that drive Sargeras mad. |
| 19:40.28 | Kirkburn | I think they did |
| 19:40.44 | sancus | yes |
| 19:40.48 | sancus | they did retcon it |
| 19:41.57 | Adrine | Ok, so according to that... |
| 19:42.02 | Adrine | ...the Draenei are just good renamed Eredar. |
| 19:42.04 | Adrine | I was right. :) |
| 19:42.50 | Tain | Well ToastTheif if that's your entire TOC you're not actually loading the lua file at all. |
| 19:42.53 | Wobin_ | yay retcon =P |
| 19:43.11 | ToastTheif | yea.. I knew I was missing something stupid like that |
| 19:44.34 | sancus | And more recently, the Blood Elves stole technology from the Draenei and also sabotaged their dimensional ship, which crash landed on Azeroth. |
| 19:44.37 | sancus | lolol |
| 19:44.40 | sancus | hi2u spelljammer |
| 19:44.45 | ToastTheif | woo |
| 19:44.48 | Iriel | Tain: Have you seen a 360 hooked upto an HD television yet? |
| 19:44.48 | ToastTheif | we have an error to work with |
| 19:44.49 | ToastTheif | TargetStats.lua:29: `=' expected near `..' |
| 19:44.55 | sancus | if that isn't a nonsensically contrived reason to make the draenei hate blood elves |
| 19:45.00 | sancus | I dont know what is! |
| 19:45.13 | Tain | No Iriel, I haven't. But there hasn't been a game out yet that has made me feel like I need to. |
| 19:45.21 | Tain | Oblivioun would have if it wasn't for the PC. :) |
| 19:45.23 | ToastTheif | think I know.. let me try |
| 19:45.40 | Iriel | ToastTheif : You use Unit a lot when I think you mean unit |
| 19:45.53 | Adrine | "And more recently, the Blood Elves stole technology from the Draenei and also sabotaged their dimensional ship, which crash landed on Azeroth." |
| 19:46.00 | Adrine | That just sounds....utterly ridiculous. |
| 19:46.00 | Iriel | Tain : PGR3 is purty too |
| 19:46.01 | Adrine | Like. |
| 19:46.03 | sancus | I just pasted that adrine :P |
| 19:46.07 | sancus | scrollback :P |
| 19:46.07 | Adrine | Ugh. |
| 19:46.11 | Adrine | It sounds like bad fan fiction. |
| 19:46.14 | sancus | it does |
| 19:46.15 | Adrine | Fine, fine, you win :P |
| 19:46.18 | Adrine | But still. |
| 19:46.22 | sancus | it sounds retarded |
| 19:46.26 | ToastTheif | I see that twice |
| 19:46.30 | sancus | OH NOES THEY JACKED OUR RIDE, NEED TO HATE THEM |
| 19:46.31 | Adrine | I could have written something a billion times better than that, and I'm not writer. |
| 19:46.33 | ToastTheif | so yes |
| 19:46.42 | sancus | we need a dimensional ship sticking out of ironforge |
| 19:46.44 | sancus | to make that complete |
| 19:47.02 | Tain | PGR3 would be more like the second game I picked up for a 360. When something comes along that convinces me to buy it, I'll definitely get PGR3 as well. |
| 19:47.20 | Miravlix__ | Hmm, the Drenai is space goers? |
| 19:47.25 | Miravlix__ | Space ships in WoW? |
| 19:47.32 | Adrine | Need 9 more signatures for my <Dimensional Ship> guild now PST |
| 19:47.37 | sancus | lol |
| 19:47.46 | sancus | im going to make a draenei mage named scotty |
| 19:47.54 | sancus | and run around bitching about how the blood elves sabotaged our warp core |
| 19:47.56 | Iriel | I've always been under the impression that there's a whole space ship crash thing going on in ungoro |
| 19:48.01 | sancus | ON AN RP SERVER |
| 19:48.05 | Iriel | even if there isn't, it has that feel to it |
| 19:48.06 | sancus | oh man |
| 19:48.07 | sancus | so perfect |
| 19:48.15 | Kirkburn | That's where the Titans landed, it is thought, iriel |
| 19:48.23 | Adrine | Iriel: I can buy the titans as spacefarers. |
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| 19:48.41 | Iriel | Exactly |
| 19:48.41 | Adrine | We've been led to believe that they're highly technological, terraform worlds, etc. |
| 19:48.49 | Tain | The Titans came from Luclin right? |
| 19:49.02 | Adrine | But the Draenei...it seems like a cop out. I mean, the Naaru are as deus ex machina as they come. |
| 19:49.06 | Adrine | I mean. Wow. |
| 19:49.07 | Miravlix | Well, it's dimensional ship? |
| 19:49.11 | Miravlix | Not a starship? |
| 19:49.30 | Iriel | Maybe we're just jumping to conlusions on the type of ship |
| 19:49.31 | Adrine | Maybe I just need more backstory, but this feel far, far below Blizzard's usual quality as far as lore goes. |
| 19:49.34 | Miravlix | Other fantasy worlds has had real magicships |
| 19:49.39 | Iriel | Perhaps it's a sailing ship with funky crystals all over it |
| 19:49.56 | Iriel | Perhaps this is more 'press release' than 'finely crafted lore' for now? |
| 19:50.07 | Depherios | ....PS3 has a motion sensitive controller too XD |
| 19:50.11 | Depherios | LMAO |
| 19:50.12 | Kirkburn | 'transport' would have been a better word, probably |
| 19:50.52 | Wobin_ | SPACE CORACLE! |
| 19:51.16 | Adrine | It's like an episode of Futurama, Azeroth edition. |
| 19:51.24 | Miravlix | WoW doesn't follow our kind of timeline, any world with magic developes far differntly than one with science. |
| 19:52.03 | Adrine | I'm just waiting for the Zerg to show up to reclaim their ancient homeworld. |
| 19:52.13 | Adrine | And then the Terrans and Protoss get involved |
| 19:52.31 | Miravlix | I don't think thats very likely, thats a different universe |
| 19:52.42 | Adrine | At the rate things are being retconned, I wouldn't count on it :P |
| 19:52.49 | sancus | it doesnt matter what justifications you use, drunken fan fiction is still drunken fan fiction |
| 19:53.02 | Adrine | And then you have this huge 6-way brawl between the Zerg, Protoss, technological Terrans, magic-using Alliance, the Horde, and the Burning Legion. |
| 19:53.06 | Miravlix | But yeah, we might see a space edition, but a fantasy based one |
| 19:53.25 | Tain | A new race is just eye-candy to keep people paying anyway. I'd rather see a new class or two. |
| 19:54.00 | KarlKFI | both are creative content, just that classes requires work from a different set of people |
| 19:54.22 | Kirkburn | Hmm, Blizz guy pronounced it 'Drenai' |
| 19:54.38 | Miravlix | Though, I beleive it wont be space, but dimensional |
| 19:54.39 | KarlKFI | that's how it's pronounced |
| 19:54.53 | KarlKFI | how were you miss pronouncing it?> |
| 19:55.02 | Adrine | I...there are so many ways they could have worked that out without "Deus Ex saved the good Eredar and the Blood Elves jacked the Draenei ride, so now big D is out for blood and is bringing the holy smackdown." |
| 19:55.56 | Adrine | It's like gang wars collides with a greek play coated in an Azerothian candy shell. |
| 19:55.59 | Tain | Classes is hugely different than race though. |
| 19:56.07 | Kirkburn | Becuase 'ae' is not a an 'e' sound |
| 19:56.29 | Adrine | Drae is "dray", isn't it? |
| 19:56.42 | kremonte | agreed, Adrine :X |
| 19:56.52 | Adrine | dray-nye |
| 19:56.53 | KarlKFI | or a shwa, depending on who says it |
| 19:57.03 | Miravlix | We already have Stargates all over, so why not ships |
| 19:57.26 | Adrine | I want a SG-1 spoof quest with them coming through one of those stargates in Desolace. |
| 19:57.49 | Kaso | That'd own :> |
| 19:58.16 | Wobin_ | I've always pronounced it Dray-nye |
| 19:58.44 | KarlKFI | is there a good way to identify wearable summon'd items w/o tooltip scanning? |
| 19:59.08 | Miravlix | It's a virtual game online, I'm never going to do anything but type the name. |
| 19:59.20 | KarlKFI | for warlocks mostly |
| 19:59.54 | Adrine | Miravlix: What about Vent or the like? :) |
| 20:00.04 | Adrine | Vent is a lot of fun when you get down to arguing pronunciation :D |
| 20:00.16 | Miravlix | I've never used and never plan to |
| 20:01.34 | [MoonWolf] | I always pronounce it drenai |
| 20:02.03 | [MoonWolf] | and what is up with the stargate all ovr |
| 20:02.06 | Adrine | The eredar, an insidious race of devilish sorcerers, used their warlock magics to invade and enslave a number of worlds. The indigenous races of those worlds were mutated by the eredar's malevolent powers and turned into demons themselves. Though Sargeras' nearly limitless powers were more than enough to defeat the vile eredar, he was greatly troubled by the creatures' corruption and all-consuming evil. Incapable of fathoming such depravity, the great |
| 20:02.06 | Miravlix | I've never spoken english for more than a few hours in my life, so doen't really see a point in starting now. |
| 20:02.22 | [MoonWolf] | i have yet to spot goa'uld or replicators or stargats. |
| 20:02.22 | Adrine | That's from Blizzard's site. |
| 20:02.45 | Adrine | And THEN! |
| 20:02.45 | Adrine | Unfortunately the eredar's accomplishments caught the attention of Sargeras, the Destroyer of Worlds. He had already begun his Burning Crusade to eradicate all life from the cosmos, and he believed that the brilliant eredar would be pivotal in leading the vast demonic army he was gathering. Thus, he contacted the eredar's three most prominent leaders: Kil'jaeden, Archimonde, and Velen. In exchange for the loyalty of the eredar race, Sargeras offered un |
| 20:02.49 | Adrine | Also from Blizzard's site. |
| 20:03.21 | [MoonWolf] | like i kept saying the eredar are completly evil and helped sargeras by choice. |
| 20:03.35 | Adrine | They -corrupted- Sargeras. |
| 20:03.39 | Depherios | http://worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/draenei.html <-- |
| 20:03.41 | [MoonWolf] | indirectly yes |
| 20:03.52 | Adrine | And then this new stuff says "Eredar were awesome then Sargeras the Evil came along and corrupted them" |
| 20:03.52 | [MoonWolf] | they caused him to think, leading to his own corruption |
| 20:04.04 | Miravlix | Adrine: Sarg was out to destroy the universe, before he bothered with Eradar |
| 20:04.15 | Depherios | "Meanwhile, the enigmatic naaru race blessed the draenei with Light-given knowledge and power." <-- I'm assuming that might have something to do with why they're so goody-goody now |
| 20:04.28 | [MoonWolf] | actually, he saeled away the eradar and later let them out agian. |
| 20:04.44 | Adrine | Sargeras was out to fight the demons hellbent on corrupting every world they could get their hands on, of whom the Eredar were a primary force. |
| 20:04.49 | Osagasu | I like how they have the light over their entire face. :> |
| 20:04.52 | Adrine | Their evil eventually caused him to go mad. |
| 20:05.05 | Adrine | The Nathrezim didn't help him stay sane either. |
| 20:05.25 | [MoonWolf] | the fact that sameone was capable of such evil caused him to think about that leading to his crusade to end all life. |
| 20:05.50 | Adrine | Doesn't change the fact that the two stories are completely at odds. |
| 20:05.50 | Osagasu | Its obvious that the models for the new races aqre based off each other somewhat. |
| 20:06.08 | [MoonWolf] | true |
| 20:06.13 | [MoonWolf] | Osagasu, howsow |
| 20:06.15 | Kirkburn | This vid is very good http://www.worldofwar.net/video/files.php?temp_view=files.php&game=&id=6 |
| 20:06.16 | Miravlix | Bloodelf is based off Draenie? |
| 20:06.19 | [MoonWolf] | one is a sleder elven build |
| 20:06.26 | [MoonWolf] | and the other is a huge bulky build |
| 20:06.33 | [MoonWolf] | i dont see the semblence. |
| 20:06.47 | Osagasu | Itnoring the horns and the ears, the facial structure of, for example, the female Draenei on the website, is the same as the female blood elf |
| 20:06.51 | Osagasu | *ignoring |
| 20:07.15 | Osagasu | for the most part, at least. |
| 20:07.45 | [MoonWolf] | also, dreanei not an ugly race |
| 20:07.49 | [MoonWolf] | they have damn hot girls. |
| 20:08.10 | Osagasu | Blizzard has said they were concentrating on the new race being "cool" rather than "ugly" |
| 20:08.13 | Osagasu | :P |
| 20:08.55 | Miravlix | Hmm, so Draenie = Eradar? |
| 20:09.03 | Adrine | Yes. |
| 20:09.08 | Adrine | Q: When will the expansion be released? Will it be a simultaneous global launch? How much will it cost? A: We will follow a careful, phased approach with the expansion. The target release date will be late 2006 in Europe, Korea, and North America (and those regions that play on North American realms) |
| 20:09.17 | Osagasu | Draenei are the descendants of the Eredatr. |
| 20:09.20 | Osagasu | *Eredar |
| 20:09.31 | Adrine | No, Draenei are renamed "good" Eredar. |
| 20:09.37 | Miravlix | Well, the guy in the intervew |
| 20:09.46 | Miravlix | Say the Eradar and Draenei split from each toher |
| 20:09.58 | Miravlix | Some of them followed the bad guy, some didn't |
| 20:10.04 | Adrine | The Draenei were the eredar that didn't side with Sargeras. |
| 20:10.20 | Adrine | But that makes no sense with existing lore, so I'm going to go sit in a corner and ignore it :P |
| 20:10.22 | Miravlix | Just a difference in name |
| 20:10.40 | Adrine | "Worldofwar.net has a video interview with one of WoW's producers Scott Mercer. When on the question about their racials -- he gives the details that one of them is a heal over time self-spell, further explaining the reason for this is that at one point of time they met the race of Naru. The Naru race gave them "insight to the Light" and the mystical force that for example Paladins use. Now the Draenei are infused with the light and attuned with it so |
| 20:10.51 | Osagasu | And more recently, the Blood Elves stole technology from the Draenei and also sabotaged their dimensional ship, which crash landed on Azeroth. |
| 20:10.52 | Osagasu | xD |
| 20:11.00 | Adrine | Self HoT racial seems really, really silly. |
| 20:11.03 | Adrine | Really silly. |
| 20:11.10 | Osagasu | th it so |
| 20:11.12 | Osagasu | cut off. |
| 20:11.14 | sancus | and more recently, chris metzen got drunk in order to provide a justification for draenei hating blood elves. |
| 20:11.31 | Adrine | The Naru race gave them "insight to the Light" and the mystical force that for example Paladins use. Now the Draenei are infused with the light and attuned with it so much that they can heal themselves." |
| 20:11.41 | Adrine | "the Azuremyst Isles, a grouping of islands off the northeastern coast of Kalimdor, where the remaining Draenei crash landed after fleeing Draenor. " |
| 20:12.27 | Osagasu | heh |
| 20:12.40 | Osagasu | Well, it isn't Hyjal, but it is Kalimdor. |
| 20:12.47 | Adrine | Hahahaha |
| 20:12.48 | Adrine | "The Females get +5 to Dancing in the Mos Eisley Cantina." |
| 20:13.01 | Miravlix | So a new island next to the elf tree |
| 20:13.26 | Adrine | Northeast - off the coast of Winterspring, looks like |
| 20:13.33 | Osagasu | or Azshara. |
| 20:13.37 | Adrine | Or Azshara, yeah |
| 20:13.41 | Wobin_ | Hehe |
| 20:13.52 | Wobin_ | I can see newbies wandering off the island into Azshara |
| 20:14.04 | Osagasu | They'll probably extend the dock in Darkshore. |
| 20:14.08 | Miravlix | They will prolly have a fatigue zone |
| 20:14.15 | Wobin_ | Really realy far =) |
| 20:14.30 | Miravlix | Azshara has a ton of water life |
| 20:14.31 | Osagasu | and have a boat from Darkshore to Azuremyst |
| 20:14.38 | Miravlix | It's not somewhere you want to run to at 10 |
| 20:17.00 | Osagasu | as for the HoT, it depends on what it is: straight HP, or percentage. :P |
| 20:17.14 | Osagasu | In any case, it will be useful for warriors and paladins. |
| 20:17.21 | Kirkburn | Warriors are gonna get a new talent in the protection tree, a stamina buff |
| 20:17.22 | Miravlix | Paladins? |
| 20:17.25 | Adrine | Either way, lame. My human rogue has an HoT calld "First Aid" that's only on a 1-minute cooldown. :P |
| 20:17.30 | Osagasu | yep |
| 20:17.35 | Osagasu | They get Paladins and Priests. |
| 20:17.42 | Osagasu | and Warriors, Mages, and Hunters. |
| 20:18.04 | Miravlix | Healing is usefull to Hutners, Mages and Warriors |
| 20:18.11 | Miravlix | Paladin and Priest wont benefit from it. |
| 20:18.34 | Osagasu | If said paladin is nearly oom and his Lay on Hands is on cooldown then he will. :P |
| 20:18.42 | Adrine | Hunters have their pets to pull aggro, bandage, tada. Mages can nova->blink bandage. Warriors can intim shout->bandage. |
| 20:18.45 | Adrine | I mean. What. |
| 20:18.57 | Adrine | Seriously, a HoT is weak sauce. |
| 20:19.05 | kremonte | hm, anyone have some good tips for farming for a mount? 40rogue :X |
| 20:19.06 | Adrine | Especially compared to an AOE silence. |
| 20:19.17 | kremonte | i've never farmed for a mount before, my lock 40 mount was free and my lock paid for my warrior's ; ; |
| 20:20.51 | sancus | who cares alliance suck anyway |
| 20:20.53 | Miravlix | They are splitting up there server farms to fix lag. |
| 20:21.50 | Tain | Ok does anyone know how I make ItemRack reequip my weapons properly after coming out of Stealth? It keeps only reequiping my main-hand. |
| 20:22.32 | Wobin_ | They should get Detonate |
| 20:22.35 | Wobin_ | That'd be cool |
| 20:22.40 | Wobin_ | Exploding body parts everywhere |
| 20:22.57 | Wobin_ | (and -50 mana to everyone!_ |
| 20:23.41 | Kirkburn | This is new, no? http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/history-be.html |
| 20:23.46 | Miravlix | Tain: Not sure, I use Stance Set 3, only one that does it right |
| 20:24.05 | Adrine | Blessing of the Naaru - heals the target of 50 damage over 15 sec |
| 20:24.09 | Adrine | Gemcutting - Jewelcrafting skill increased by 15 |
| 20:24.13 | Adrine | Inspiring Presence - Increases chance to hit with spells by 1% for all party members within 30 yards |
| 20:24.14 | Tain | Yeah thats' what I always used, Miravlix. I like the idea of Itemrack being able to do other stuff also, but itching back towards Stance Set |
| 20:24.16 | Adrine | Shadow Resistance - increased by 10 |
| 20:24.20 | Adrine | Weak. Weeeeeak. |
| 20:24.36 | Adrine | BE: Arcane Affinity - Enchanting increased by 15 |
| 20:24.39 | Adrine | Arcane Torrent - Silence all enemies within 8 yards for 2 sec. In addition, you gain 20 Energy, Mana or Rage for each Mana Tap charge currently affecting you. |
| 20:24.40 | Wobin_ | 50 over 15? |
| 20:24.46 | Adrine | Magic Resistance - All resistances increased by 5 |
| 20:24.47 | Wobin_ | You what? |
| 20:24.49 | Adrine | Mana Tap - Drains 50 mana from your target and charges you with Arcane energy until cancelled. This effect stacks up to 3 times. |
| 20:24.59 | Miravlix | Wardrobe has propper weapon handling after I and AL has worked on it, but it doesn't have stealth change |
| 20:25.12 | Adrine | Blood Elves get the rogue ZG trinket as a racial |
| 20:25.19 | Adrine | Oh no, that's not overpowered at ALL. |
| 20:26.06 | Adrine | 20 energy or rage is not analogous to mana at ALL. |
| 20:26.59 | sancus | eh |
| 20:27.05 | Miravlix | Yeah, that seems a bit strange |
| 20:27.11 | sancus | its still a very early version, we wont see those races for at least 6 months and probably more |
| 20:27.15 | Miravlix | 20 out of 100 is a big deal |
| 20:27.18 | sancus | so I wouldn't worry much about the numbers |
| 20:27.38 | Miravlix | Even rage is hugely different than energy |
| 20:27.39 | sancus | see them live, I mean |
| 20:28.04 | Adrine | The ability to pop off 60 energy on demand is borderline broken. |
| 20:28.10 | Adrine | Ever seen a rogue with the ZG trinket? |
| 20:28.16 | Adrine | 3 backstabs in 3 seconds. |
| 20:28.43 | Adrine | It's...stupidly powerful. |
| 20:28.50 | sancus | so? relax |
| 20:28.54 | sancus | expansion isn't even in beta yet |
| 20:28.58 | Adrine | I know :P |
| 20:28.59 | Kirkburn | No need to fret right now |
| 20:29.16 | Adrine | I'm being outraged! Stop unoutraging me! :P |
| 20:29.22 | sancus | theres no way that ability will make it through alpha, beta, and to live without being completely different |
| 20:29.40 | Adrine | I can hope. :) |
| 20:30.04 | Maldivia | hmm... new warrior talent in 1.11... |
| 20:30.06 | Miravlix | They have to make it a % or something, 20 mana is just nothing |
| 20:31.54 | Kaso | Whats the Maximum number of lines on a tooltip? |
| 20:32.10 | Miravlix | Don't think there is one |
| 20:32.27 | Miravlix | There is 30 left/right lines |
| 20:33.40 | wereHamster | Maldivia, what new talent? |
| 20:33.55 | Maldivia | apparently a stamina buff talent in the protection tree |
| 20:34.07 | Miravlix | New 31 point or close stuff in the protection tree |
| 20:34.59 | wereHamster | will shield slam be gone? |
| 20:35.13 | wereHamster | imho the worst 31pt talent ever :( |
| 20:35.27 | Adrine | if Blessing of the Naaru scales with level, it'd be 3k damage over 15 seconds |
| 20:35.29 | Kirkburn | [22:17] <Kirkburn> Warriors are gonna get a new talent in the protection tree, a stamina buff :D |
| 20:35.33 | Adrine | Which is nice, but...trivial, IMO. |
| 20:35.45 | Kirkburn | 21 point, I think |
| 20:35.46 | wereHamster | very nice |
| 20:36.16 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: yeah yeah... I didn't read back |
| 20:36.30 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, where do you have this info from? |
| 20:36.32 | Kirkburn | =) People noticed your comment though :P |
| 20:36.38 | Kirkburn | Worldofwar feed |
| 20:36.47 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: I'm more popular than you, it seems... :) |
| 20:37.02 | Maldivia | ... or on less ignore lists... |
| 20:37.43 | Miravlix | Being on ignore list is good, it shows people care about what you say. |
| 20:38.55 | Adrine | Maldivia, who are you talking to? |
| 20:38.57 | Adrine | >_> |
| 20:38.58 | Adrine | <_< |
| 20:40.15 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, I can't find the feed :( |
| 20:40.25 | Kirkburn | http://www.worldofwar.net/video/files.php?temp_view=files.php&game=&id=6 |
| 20:40.26 | Wobin_ | Hang on |
| 20:40.39 | Wobin_ | Draenei can't be rogues can they? |
| 20:41.16 | Kirkburn | No |
| 20:41.16 | wereHamster | ARGH .... flash :( |
| 20:41.22 | Kirkburn | Flash? |
| 20:41.42 | Kirkburn | There ain't no flash on that there page |
| 20:41.47 | Wobin_ | Oh wait no, I'm confusing it with the BE's |
| 20:42.51 | wereHamster | embedded mediaplayer :( |
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| 20:44.02 | wereHamster | flash, M$ mediaplayer, java.. all the same.. doesn't work under 64bit linux ... |
| 20:44.36 | Kirkburn | Subscribe to worldofwar and then you can download it |
| 20:44.58 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I should set up a paypal account |
| 20:45.24 | wereHamster | http://video.loadedinc.com/part1.wmv .. from the html source :-/ |
| 20:46.49 | Kirkburn | That's mean |
| 20:47.08 | Maldivia | Frostfire... set bonuses... wow! |
| 20:47.32 | sancus | http://sancus.off.net/priestt3.jpg |
| 20:48.34 | Kirkburn | More people! Download the Trailer torrent! So I can get it quicker! |
| 20:52.31 | Adrine | http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/707/707112p1.html |
| 20:54.50 | Osagasu | Oh, the set bonuses max out at 8 pieces |
| 20:54.54 | Osagasu | good or bad, I dunno |
| 20:55.06 | Osagasu | but it will allow some nice stuff |
| 20:55.12 | Osagasu | and customization |
| 20:55.22 | Adrine | Hahahaha |
| 20:55.28 | Adrine | Paladin 8 piece: Cleanse heals the target for 100 |
| 20:56.28 | Osagasu | classic. |
| 20:56.35 | Adrine | The rogue bonuses are nice. |
| 20:57.04 | Adrine | Chance on hit to heal, crit BS/SS/Hemo regens 5 energy, -threat on high-damage moves, and Eviscerate has a chance to proc Cold Blood. |
| 20:57.18 | Osagasu | The Druid set is still horribly resto favoured |
| 20:57.29 | Adrine | Yeah it is. |
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| 20:58.38 | Osagasu | and its the dark portal |
| 20:58.40 | Osagasu | *drool* |
| 20:59.04 | Adrine | The sockets look very interesting. |
| 20:59.22 | Osagasu | hrm |
| 20:59.25 | Osagasu | level 70 socket? |
| 20:59.28 | Osagasu | I dun get it |
| 20:59.45 | Adrine | I assume that means that it can accept jewels up to leve l70 |
| 20:59.55 | Adrine | Which solves the problem that enchants have in that they aren't level-limited. |
| 21:00.10 | Wobin_ | Interesting |
| 21:00.11 | wereHamster | Osagasu, new profession :) |
| 21:00.17 | Wobin_ | The rogue with the Bonescythe set |
| 21:00.17 | Osagasu | I know |
| 21:00.22 | Osagasu | but I was wondering what it meant |
| 21:00.22 | Wobin_ | He has 10 arcane reists |
| 21:00.25 | Wobin_ | resist |
| 21:00.27 | Wobin_ | And that's it =P |
| 21:00.59 | wereHamster | Osagasu, a socket where you can put a gem to improve the item |
| 21:01.07 | Wobin_ | Like in Diablo |
| 21:01.11 | Adrine | Like enchants, except they stack |
| 21:01.11 | Osagasu | I KNOW |
| 21:01.13 | Osagasu | jesus |
| 21:01.25 | Osagasu | I was wondering what the LEVEL meant |
| 21:01.31 | Osagasu | >.< |
| 21:01.43 | wereHamster | the gem level? |
| 21:01.52 | Osagasu | yes. |
| 21:02.14 | Osagasu | odd |
| 21:02.17 | Adrine | You know what we haven't seen yet? |
| 21:02.21 | Adrine | Glimpses of the talent trees |
| 21:02.24 | Adrine | What do they look like? |
| 21:02.25 | wereHamster | I think the gems will have levels and you can only put the best ones into that socket |
| 21:02.25 | Osagasu | heh |
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| 21:02.37 | Osagasu | Two new tiers and probably a maximum of 5 per tier. :P |
| 21:02.38 | Industrial | 'i wanna go a level up' 'but there are weaker mosters there' 'but well get better talents!' 'i say down, harder mosnters' 'up' 'down' 'up 'down' |
| 21:02.58 | Industrial | keke |
| 21:03.01 | Industrial | *looks up the strip* |
| 21:03.48 | Osagasu | What people don't realize is that they have to have the extra 10 levels in mind when they rebalance the talents in each review |
| 21:04.14 | Industrial | http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=12 |
| 21:04.39 | Osagasu | the paladin set makes them look kind of like mecha. |
| 21:05.56 | Adrine | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/images/art/ss31.jpg |
| 21:05.58 | Adrine | That's the full mural |
| 21:06.31 | Osagasu | has anyone also noticed the mix between some items showing the required class and some not? |
| 21:07.26 | Osagasu | I don't see enough covering the boobs for them not to literally pop out. |
| 21:07.32 | Wobin_ | Adrine: Yes I was commenting on that before... Where are her ankles? Does she have heels? Is she wearing -anything- below the waist? |
| 21:07.53 | Adrine | The feet look like they're pointed directly at us |
| 21:08.00 | Adrine | And yes, she's wearing boots! |
| 21:08.24 | Adrine | It would be interesting if they made bloodfang look like that on belf females. Heh. |
| 21:08.42 | Osagasu | heh |
| 21:08.58 | Wobin_ | and calling them belfs just sounds like you're throwing up =P |
| 21:09.00 | Osagasu | it could be our first glimpse of Tier 4 rogue armor. >.> |
| 21:09.10 | Adrine | No, that's bloodfang. |
| 21:09.14 | Adrine | Look at the shoulders |
| 21:09.15 | Wobin_ | Osagasu: Can you imagine what that'd look like on a male? =P |
| 21:09.31 | Osagasu | extremely gay |
| 21:09.34 | Osagasu | but still. |
| 21:09.36 | Osagasu | :P |
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| 21:11.41 | Osagasu | I have yet to see Blood elves have any hair color other than blonde. |
| 21:12.07 | Kirkburn | White? |
| 21:13.04 | Kirkburn | I've yet to see a gnome who has a height anything other than tiny :) |
| 21:13.53 | Industrial | holy shit Adrine http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/images/art/ss31.jpg |
| 21:13.56 | Industrial | :p |
| 21:14.44 | Wobin_ | Indy... *points up* |
| 21:16.44 | Industrial | i know |
| 21:17.29 | Industrial | nice female char, the dranei :p |
| 21:17.48 | [MoonWolf] | Yeah, female dreanei are hot. |
| 21:18.30 | Industrial | the blood elves too |
| 21:18.44 | Industrial | i like their ears WAY better |
| 21:18.53 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, but i wasnt expecting it with the dreanei. the males are so bulky. |
| 21:19.06 | Industrial | still a bit too long imo |
| 21:19.31 | Industrial | like antennas |
| 21:19.32 | Industrial | :P |
| 21:21.42 | Kirkburn | I need to do something else other than muse on the Draenei ... I'm almost bored of it now :) |
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| 21:23.03 | sancus | draenei are boring |
| 21:23.06 | sancus | t3 armor is interesting |
| 21:24.17 | Industrial | so there wont be any new classe |
| 21:24.19 | Industrial | s |
| 21:24.23 | Industrial | ? |
| 21:25.13 | [MoonWolf] | nope, we knew that half a year ago |
| 21:25.13 | sancus | no, they said there wouldnt be any new classes a while ago |
| 21:25.19 | [MoonWolf] | no new clases this expansion. |
| 21:25.22 | sancus | new classes would be the worst thing ever |
| 21:25.26 | sancus | talk about totally destroying the game's balance |
| 21:28.23 | KarlKFI | i'll prolly start a draenei pally, just cause i'm hopeless |
| 21:28.32 | Cide | for some faster images |
| 21:28.38 | Cide | burning crusade stuff: http://imagelink.org/gallery/72 |
| 21:28.42 | Cide | naxx stuff: http://imagelink.org/gallery/71 |
| 21:29.17 | Adrine | That's not showing up in Firefox for me |
| 21:29.21 | Adrine | I just get "click to enlarge" |
| 21:29.23 | Wobin_ | I have no real urge to play the draenei |
| 21:29.26 | Wobin_ | Or the Blood elves |
| 21:29.29 | Wobin_ | How sad |
| 21:31.32 | KarlKFI | mmm stamina and intelect.. thrilling |
| 21:31.38 | Industrial | WTF a wand with 110 DPS? |
| 21:31.46 | Osagasu | lawl. |
| 21:31.47 | KarlKFI | wand build |
| 21:31.56 | Industrial | tats.. insane.. |
| 21:32.02 | Osagasu | 110 DPS is still craptacular. |
| 21:32.04 | [MoonWolf] | want |
| 21:32.11 | Industrial | need |
| 21:32.12 | Industrial | :p |
| 21:32.42 | KarlKFI | is it just me or does that picture make the pally look like it has a face shield |
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| 21:32.58 | KarlKFI | think it's just the glowing eyes |
| 21:33.20 | Industrial | something tells me wow is going to be a powerhouse.. |
| 21:33.54 | Industrial | maybe its the +18 healing scket gem >_o |
| 21:34.39 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 21:37.57 | [MoonWolf] | hey thats a new bag patter |
| 21:38.01 | [MoonWolf] | netherweave |
| 21:38.32 | [MoonWolf] | uh uh |
| 21:38.36 | [MoonWolf] | primal mooncloth bag |
| 21:38.42 | [MoonWolf] | has 20 slots |
| 21:38.46 | Adrine | Nice. |
| 21:38.56 | [MoonWolf] | http://imagelink.org/gallery/72 |
| 21:38.58 | [MoonWolf] | look there |
| 21:39.21 | [MoonWolf] | i like socketed items already |
| 21:39.27 | [MoonWolf] | the sockets have lvl caps |
| 21:40.23 | [MoonWolf] | Industrial, i think that gem is one of the best ones in the whole game. |
| 21:40.26 | [MoonWolf] | and most likely not cheap. |
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| 22:01.32 | Wobin_ | I fixed my Framepool library by adding in support for 'disappearing' frames =P |
| 22:01.55 | Wobin_ | I still can't figure out why they randomly disappear |
| 22:02.15 | Wobin_ | But the pool now drops an error and returns a new object to use |
| 22:03.44 | Tem | so, it's Drainei |
| 22:04.13 | Cairenn | Draenai, aye |
| 22:04.15 | Tem | s/ai/ae/ |
| 22:05.19 | Cairenn | anyone have a good shot of a female Draenei? |
| 22:06.15 | Miravlix | Not it's not Daenei |
| 22:06.32 | Miravlix | It's Draenei in a version we didn't know about |
| 22:06.42 | Adrine | Cairenn: http://wow.tachyonsix.com/e3/928901_20060510_screen027.jpg ? |
| 22:06.56 | Cairenn | whoa, seriously? nice |
| 22:07.06 | Adrine | For serious. |
| 22:07.07 | Cide | looks better than I thought |
| 22:07.11 | Cairenn | okay, so I'm willing to play both |
| 22:07.12 | Cairenn | good |
| 22:07.21 | Cide | oh my, alliance gets another beautiful race! |
| 22:07.31 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/e3/928901_20060510_screen028.jpg |
| 22:07.33 | Cide | the faction imbalance will remain unsolved! |
| 22:07.34 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/e3/928901_20060510_screen029.jpg |
| 22:07.52 | sancus | thats ok |
| 22:08.08 | sancus | horde will be fine without the gibbering mangina masses of alliance :) |
| 22:08.17 | Cairenn | heh |
| 22:08.17 | Osagasu | You know |
| 22:08.20 | Osagasu | its kind of sad |
| 22:08.21 | Wobin_ | That's what the Belfs are for |
| 22:08.26 | Osagasu | here we are waiting for the first XP |
| 22:08.27 | Adrine | Barbie elves will fill that spot nicely. |
| 22:08.43 | sancus | I dont think barbie elves will shift the population much |
| 22:08.46 | Osagasu | but EQ2 has had 2 and several smaller pay packs. |
| 22:08.53 | sancus | most people are comfortable on their side, if they reroll, they will reroll to draenei who are also pretty |
| 22:08.55 | sancus | they wont switch sides |
| 22:09.32 | Wobin_ | If the racials reman anything like what they are atm, I'll probaly roll a belf rogue |
| 22:09.36 | Osagasu | Well, the male draenei aren't pretty IMO. they are very much monstrous. they just aren't that kind of monsterous, to be considered ugly. |
| 22:09.43 | Miravlix | So we are getting 2 new capital cities |
| 22:10.32 | Osagasu | yep. |
| 22:10.39 | Osagasu | and an new island zone |
| 22:10.43 | Osagasu | for alliance |
| 22:10.44 | Osagasu | >.> |
| 22:10.56 | Osagasu | I screwed that up |
| 22:11.12 | Osagasu | The Alliance get the island is a zone, and the blood elves get Quel'Thalas. |
| 22:11.42 | Miravlix | So new mage teleport spells |
| 22:13.03 | Miravlix | But the new cities wont be the entrance to outlands. |
| 22:13.04 | Osagasu | and probably one to outland. |
| 22:15.38 | Osagasu | Because they're the only class that it would make sense to have the portal. |
| 22:15.55 | Osagasu | Well, warlocks too, but that would be encroaching onclass boundaries |
| 22:17.06 | Tem | it only makes sense for mages |
| 22:17.13 | Tem | warlocks are concerned with the dead |
| 22:17.27 | Tem | mages opened the portal |
| 22:17.32 | Tem | (in the first place) |
| 22:17.58 | Tem | so, I suppose an "Oops" is in order from us... |
| 22:18.22 | Osagasu | both Mages and warlocks opened it. |
| 22:18.26 | Tem | Lore people: Who opened the portal first? |
| 22:18.38 | Tem | Humans or the orcs on the other side? |
| 22:18.46 | Osagasu | Medivh was a mage, and the orcs were warlocks |
| 22:18.56 | Tem | (The humans on this side would have been mages and the orcs would have been warlocks) |
| 22:18.58 | Osagasu | they both had a hand in opening it |
| 22:19.00 | Tem | ah |
| 22:19.23 | Osagasu | but that was a lot of warlocks and one mage. :P |
| 22:19.28 | Tem | hehe |
| 22:19.30 | Tem | pwnt |
| 22:19.55 | Tem | oh noes! |
| 22:20.00 | Osagasu | Granted, the mage was also the most powerful mortal in existance. |
| 22:20.29 | Tem | details |
| 22:20.55 | Osagasu | Medivh was the last of the guardians |
| 22:21.08 | Tem | guardians? |
| 22:21.35 | Tem | oh sweet! Changes to the changes! |
| 22:21.42 | Osagasu | A line of peoples from gods know when entrusted with the power to protect Azeroth |
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| 22:22.04 | Osagasu | On top of that, Medivh was posessed by Sargeras. |
| 22:22.06 | fatbrain | when I enumerate / collect mail, I get mailbox_update events |
| 22:22.13 | Osagasu | he was quite powerful indeed. :P |
| 22:22.18 | fatbrain | hm, let me think... |
| 22:22.39 | Miravlix | Sarg was/is a Titan |
| 22:23.03 | fatbrain | problem I have is that when I do DeleteInboxItem(soemIndex) it's still in the inbox when the MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE event occurs. |
| 22:23.04 | Miravlix | But a Titan thats been fighting for a long time, so a lot more experinced. |
| 22:23.19 | Osagasu | titans aren't mortals though |
| 22:23.47 | Miravlix | Not mortals in our sense of the word. |
| 22:23.53 | Osagasu | they're demigods. |
| 22:24.02 | Osagasu | Well, in DnD terms |
| 22:24.20 | Miravlix | One persons god, is another persons punny race |
| 22:24.24 | Osagasu | Warcraft gods are only as powerful as demigods in other settings |
| 22:24.40 | Osagasu | the titans created the universe. they aren't mortal, plain and simple. |
| 22:25.03 | Miravlix | No they are an advanced race that terraformed the universe |
| 22:25.24 | Miravlix | They aren't even in the lore, god like, just advanced |
| 22:25.39 | Depherios | aye |
| 22:25.42 | Adrine | I'd agree with Miravlix |
| 22:25.55 | Osagasu | Okay, they're "Eternals" |
| 22:25.57 | Adrine | They are extremely powerful, but they aren't omnipotent. |
| 22:26.03 | Osagasu | Which is the term, IIRC |
| 22:26.13 | Osagasu | Not even gods are omnipotent. |
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| 22:26.24 | Osagasu | "God" mught be, but gods aren't |
| 22:26.26 | Depherios | if they were omnipotent they wouldn't set the dragons to watch over azeroth then take off XD |
| 22:26.27 | Osagasu | *might |
| 22:26.32 | Miravlix | They have passed beyond the normal linear time restrains |
| 22:26.35 | Adrine | Depends on the theology ;) |
| 22:26.39 | ToastTheif | I wish Blizz would release 1.11 info instead of all the expansion stuff |
| 22:26.53 | Adrine | "god" is as good a term as any when talking about the Titans, or the Old Gods, or whatever. |
| 22:26.54 | Miravlix | They are releasing both |
| 22:27.16 | Adrine | They were powerful beyond the comprehension of mere mortals, which is really all you need to qualify for godhood to said mortals. ;) |
| 22:27.24 | Kirkburn|Summat | Spore!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPhV2gtSfqE&eurl=http://www.kotaku.com/ |
| 22:27.38 | Miravlix | To much SG-1 and false gods |
| 22:27.43 | ToastTheif | I haven't seen any 1.11 info |
| 22:27.57 | ToastTheif | all I see is tier 3 expansion items and new race |
| 22:28.06 | ToastTheif | and jewel crafting which looks kick ass |
| 22:28.15 | ToastTheif | but I want to know what 1.11 holds for us :) |
| 22:28.20 | Miravlix | ToastTheif: Then you just need to look deaper |
| 22:28.35 | ToastTheif | link some stuff |
| 22:28.44 | ToastTheif | I haven't found any yet :( |
| 22:29.00 | Miravlix | Can't really do anything about the fact that the players is only interested in expansion stuff, so thats all you see on the forums and sites |
| 22:29.26 | Osagasu | Those tier 3 are Naxx... which means 1.11. :P |
| 22:29.34 | Adrine | Eh, not really. "A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality." - the Titans certainly qualified for that position, though I suspect their supernatural power is in part technological. |
| 22:30.19 | Miravlix | But the Titans aren't worshipped |
| 22:30.37 | ToastTheif | Osafasu |
| 22:30.44 | ToastTheif | those tier 3 are expansion.. |
| 22:30.49 | ToastTheif | they have socket slots |
| 22:30.54 | Miravlix | Elune is the only godlike figure I can mention, thats truely worshipped |
| 22:30.55 | Adrine | They are certainly revered by the dwarves. |
| 22:30.55 | Osagasu | They're listed as level 60 |
| 22:31.01 | Osagasu | and not all of them are tier 3 |
| 22:31.02 | ToastTheif | well they have socket slots |
| 22:31.03 | Tain | The Titans were worshipped, but people switched to the FuBars. |
| 22:31.04 | ToastTheif | look at the pics |
| 22:31.08 | Adrine | Hahaha Tain |
| 22:31.19 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 22:31.26 | Wobin_ | Kirkburn|Summat: That looks really cool |
| 22:31.36 | Adrine | I think they're Tier 3, actually. I just suspect that items will become socketable in the expansion. |
| 22:31.38 | Kirkburn|Summat | :) |
| 22:33.11 | Miravlix | That Tier 3 crap, is insane. |
| 22:33.40 | ToastTheif | sockets are comming in expansion |
| 22:33.58 | ToastTheif | and these "tier 3" items have socket slots |
| 22:34.04 | Osagasu | err |
| 22:34.05 | ToastTheif | which mean they are NOT Naxx |
| 22:34.10 | Miravlix | The difference between a geared 60 and a fresh is not funny anymore |
| 22:34.11 | Osagasu | are you looking at the stuff? |
| 22:34.15 | Azrael | what items are you talking about ? |
| 22:34.21 | Osagasu | The socketed items aren't set items |
| 22:34.23 | ToastTheif | http://mediaviewer.ign.com/ignMediaPage.jsp?media_id=3590509&article_id=707112&channel_id=261&page_title=WoW+Screenies+Including+Tier+3&adtag=network%3Dign%26size%3D468x60%26channel%3Dve3d%26site%3Dve3d_hub%26channel%3Dnews%26type%3Dpartner |
| 22:34.37 | ToastTheif | that's the druid tier 3 |
| 22:34.47 | ToastTheif | if u look at the bottom of the tooltip you can see the socket space |
| 22:35.05 | Osagasu | DUDE |
| 22:35.10 | Azrael | ... |
| 22:35.14 | Azrael | thats not socket space.. |
| 22:35.16 | Osagasu | Jeff said that tier 3 is coming with Naxx. |
| 22:35.21 | Azrael | thats the weapon boxes... |
| 22:35.27 | Azrael | you know, main hand, offhand, ranged |
| 22:35.48 | KarlKFI | lol, you guys are rediculous |
| 22:35.54 | Osagasu | the sockets come between the level marker and the stats |
| 22:36.07 | Azrael | i'm not the one thinking that they where "sockets" for items.. |
| 22:36.26 | Azrael | were |
| 22:36.46 | Osagasu | http://mediaviewer.ign.com/ignMediaPage.jsp?media_id=3590493&article_id=707112&channel_id=261&page_title=WoW+Screenies+Including+Tier+3&adtag=network%3Dign%26size%3D468x60%26channel%3Dve3d%26site%3Dve3d_hub%26channel%3Dnews%26type%3Dpartner |
| 22:36.50 | Osagasu | THERE'S your socket item |
| 22:37.02 | Azrael | nice. |
| 22:37.17 | Azrael | does anyone else see something there ?? |
| 22:37.33 | Azrael | a 20 slot bag !! |
| 22:37.54 | ToastTheif | where? |
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| 22:38.06 | Azrael | in that last pic |
| 22:38.13 | Azrael | Primal Mooncloth bag. |
| 22:38.17 | ToastTheif | oh |
| 22:38.19 | KarlKFI | dude.. this i s awsome.. in my lab today we're building lego sets |
| 22:38.21 | snurre | GET OUT OF MY HEAD! damn loituma stuff |
| 22:38.35 | ToastTheif | hmm cool |
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| 22:38.44 | KarlKFI | one person has to describe the instructions to the other person building the set |
| 22:38.55 | KarlKFI | neither looking at what the other has |
| 22:39.09 | KarlKFI | hilarious |
| 22:39.45 | Crispix | Man.. I can't believe how awesome this player is |
| 22:40.48 | Azrael | jesus ! mage 9 peice is overpowered... the 6 peice bonus is up too +200dmg to your next spell ! |
| 22:40.51 | KarlKFI | aw crap.. shift-right click to socket... what do you wanna bet there's a dozen mods that use that combo on items already |
| 22:41.54 | sancus | not next spell |
| 22:42.00 | sancus | theres no 9 piece either |
| 22:42.03 | sancus | they're 8 piece bonuses |
| 22:42.04 | KarlKFI | wait a sec... that pally hammer has agil and crit! |
| 22:42.10 | Osagasu | http://mediaviewer.ign.com/ignMediaPage.jsp?media_id=3590561&article_id=707112&channel_id=261&page_title=WoW+Screenies+Including+Tier+3&adtag=network%3Dign%26size%3D468x60%26channel%3Dve3d%26site%3Dve3d_hub%26channel%3Dnews%26type%3Dpartner |
| 22:42.11 | sancus | "subsequent spells" which means it lasts for a while |
| 22:42.12 | KarlKFI | took long enouhg |
| 22:42.19 | Crispix | o_o |
| 22:42.19 | Osagasu | TRANSFORMADINS! Coming to an Ironforge near you. |
| 22:42.20 | sancus | its not overpowered its questionably better than existing netherwind 8 piece |
| 22:42.29 | Crispix | Why don't you just make a book and hand it to him with that url o_O |
| 22:42.31 | Azrael | thats even more overpowered.. |
| 22:42.41 | sancus | based on what |
| 22:42.52 | Osagasu | Azrael |
| 22:42.55 | Azrael | ? |
| 22:42.56 | Osagasu | That's an 8 piece bonus |
| 22:43.09 | sancus | you dont know the proc chance, you dont know how long it lasts. How is it even remotely possible to call it overpowered or not? You know nothing yet you are making nonsensical statements. |
| 22:43.10 | Osagasu | The Tier 3 sets have nine pieces, but you only need 8 to get the highest bonus |
| 22:43.13 | Azrael | theres 2 4 6 8. |
| 22:43.19 | snurre | 9 pieces in the set, the bonuses come at 2, 3, 5 and 8 |
| 22:43.29 | Azrael | sancus not a big WoW forum reader are you ? |
| 22:45.15 | sancus | you're good at stating the obvious as well as the blatantly incorrect. |
| 22:45.55 | Kirkburn|Summat | hoi! Keep it happy :) |
| 22:46.25 | Cairenn | happy is a good thing ... |
| 22:46.39 | Cairenn | yes, I *am* here, behave children :p |
| 22:46.40 | KarlKFI | well of course it's overpowered, you haven't seen what the other classes have to match :P |
| 22:47.10 | Kirkburn|Summat | It's like comparing Twill to Nemesis ;) |
| 22:47.14 | KarlKFI | tier 3 is definitely over powered compared to the tier 0 you're wearing.. |
| 22:47.27 | Kirkburn|Summat | ZOMG Twill is overpowered! |
| 22:47.30 | Azrael | pff.. |
| 22:48.02 | Azrael | my brother has this friend whos dads friend son pwns with all greens against full T-2/AQ guys that are all HWLs.. |
| 22:48.23 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Hot Wimmin in Leathers? |
| 22:48.38 | Azrael | ya.. |
| 22:48.44 | ForgottenLords | and I'm a level 19 Grand Marshal? |
| 22:49.12 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Surely that's a rhetorical question ... |
| 22:49.14 | snurre | that's easy... setrank 18 |
| 22:49.29 | Azrael | all the guys on the other faction were all rogues, lvl 60 rogues fully t-2 and HWL gear, and his lvl 44 mage in all greens with 600+dmg can ae kite them all and one shot them. |
| 22:49.31 | Azrael | all at the same time. |
| 22:49.52 | Adrine | He's obviously not a mage. |
| 22:49.54 | Adrine | Has to be a hunter. |
| 22:49.58 | Adrine | >_> |
| 22:50.05 | Azrael | heh |
| 22:50.11 | Azrael | multishot to the FACE |
| 22:50.32 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Well my lvl 1 Draenei will pwn your all. Stuck on my island up in the north. |
| 22:50.56 | Kirkburn|Yadda | I hope we get lots of warm clothing |
| 22:57.30 | ToastTheif | we just wiped 7% at onyxia.. >< |
| 22:58.00 | Miravlix | You can wipe at Onyxia? |
| 22:58.04 | Kirkburn|Yadda | lol |
| 22:58.40 | Miravlix | Where you 5 maning her? |
| 22:58.47 | Azrael | lol |
| 22:58.49 | ToastTheif | no |
| 22:58.52 | Miravlix | that isn't until after the expansion that can be done |
| 22:58.59 | ToastTheif | we were 35 manning her |
| 22:59.10 | Ktron|afk | what frame is the casting bar connected to/named? |
| 22:59.10 | Azrael | our guilds best was 17 |
| 22:59.16 | ToastTheif | we've only downed her twice =/ |
| 22:59.37 | Adrine | My guild did her with 18 the other day. |
| 23:00.03 | Adrine | We normally run with a raiding alliance, but we did a guild-only run and pwnt her :D |
| 23:00.57 | Miravlix | 40 man encounter done by 18 and it isn't even Naxx equipment |
| 23:01.23 | Miravlix | We are 10 manning Onyxia before expansion. o.O |
| 23:01.25 | Adrine | Onyxia really isn't about gear at all |
| 23:01.28 | Adrine | It's all execution. |
| 23:02.38 | Wobin_ | Gear does help though =P |
| 23:03.33 | snurre | we did it with 11, but some other guild on my realm with 8 :( |
| 23:03.45 | snurre | I prefer speedkilling tho |
| 23:04.41 | Adrine | Gear helps, but you don't have to be ubergeared to do it. |
| 23:04.54 | Adrine | Onyxia was our guild alliance's first raid kill, when we were all in blues and stuff. |
| 23:05.08 | Adrine | 32 people, I think. |
| 23:05.14 | Azrael | doing a <20 man onyxia not in t-2 just means more money spent on flasks.. |
| 23:05.15 | Azrael | heh |
| 23:05.31 | snurre | i only had half my gear as blue (rest greens) when we first did ony |
| 23:06.08 | Adrine | I think we got our first Ony and Lucifron kills the same weekend. |
| 23:06.12 | Kirkburn|Yadda | The worldofwar video people weren't actually supposed to record what was showing on the screens, heh. Glad they sneaked peeks for the rest of us |
| 23:06.15 | Adrine | The screenshots bring back so much nostalgia. |
| 23:06.37 | snurre | got Onyxia Tooth Pendant 3 days after hitting 60, first kill on my realm :p (probably one of the first 20ish in europe) |
| 23:07.09 | snurre | upgraded straight from something ..of the monkey |
| 23:07.29 | Adrine | No offense, but that always annoys me :P |
| 23:07.35 | Azrael | ha |
| 23:07.39 | Adrine | Probably because I worked my ass off to get the best of everything I could before I started raiding |
| 23:07.51 | Adrine | And then the nublets show up in level 45 greens and pick up free epix. Heh. |
| 23:07.52 | snurre | i wouldve, but there was no time :p |
| 23:08.01 | Adrine | green, green, green, EPIX, green, green... |
| 23:08.05 | snurre | not like the other guys had much better equip than me |
| 23:08.09 | Adrine | Fair enough :) |
| 23:08.11 | Azrael | the guild im currently in, had the first onyxia kill on the server, and never missed a kill in over a year. the guy that got the first onyxia head, never won a roll on an onyxia bag.. |
| 23:08.17 | *** join/#wowi-lounge depakote (i=depakote@please.stop.fuk-n.us) |
| 23:08.20 | depakote | howdy |
| 23:08.31 | Adrine | I won 1 bag. I passed it to a warlock the week before Shard Bags were announced. |
| 23:08.55 | Adrine | I haven't won one since. |
| 23:08.55 | Adrine | Guys |
| 23:08.55 | Adrine | We were wrong |
| 23:08.57 | Adrine | There will be a new class |
| 23:08.57 | snurre | same for me though.. we did that kill (and i got my neck) in april 2005, i still dont have my ony bag |
| 23:08.58 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/e3/928901_20060510_screen018.jpg |
| 23:09.00 | Adrine | Cheerleader. |
| 23:09.25 | Azrael | ooo |
| 23:09.32 | Azrael | im definitly rollin that. |
| 23:09.33 | Azrael | .... |
| 23:10.11 | Kirkburn|Yadda | The Blood Elf female dance is pretty cool :D |
| 23:10.27 | Kirkburn|Yadda | I think I can best describe it as 'swish' |
| 23:10.29 | depakote | Is anyone here familiar with any macros or scripts that utilize the /who command? |
| 23:10.48 | Miravlix | The who command in scripts is event dependent |
| 23:10.55 | ckknight | hey all |
| 23:11.04 | Adrine | It's the Twist. |
| 23:11.16 | Kirkburn|Yadda | It's still swish :P |
| 23:11.17 | Miravlix | Would be really difficult to macro |
| 23:11.40 | depakote | Hmm |
| 23:12.30 | Tem | wouldn't really be a macro at all |
| 23:12.37 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Silvermoon City is coooool |
| 23:12.52 | sancus | draenei look better than belves I think |
| 23:13.16 | ToastTheif | whataboutpp.com has 1.11 info, yay |
| 23:13.37 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Haven't seen the Draenei areas yet (waiting on worldofwar vid part two), but Silvermoon is amazing |
| 23:13.51 | Tem | I wanna know what the active ratial is for them |
| 23:14.03 | Kirkburn|Yadda | HOT |
| 23:14.04 | Adrine | It's an HoT |
| 23:14.08 | ToastTheif | looks likeI need to run some scholo/strat |
| 23:14.11 | Adrine | Starts out at 50 HP over 15 seconds |
| 23:14.18 | Adrine | If that's level 1, it'll be 3000 HP over 15 seconds at level 60. |
| 23:14.39 | Kirkburn|Yadda | ... |
| 23:14.50 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Because all spells scale 1:1 |
| 23:14.52 | Adrine | Assuming linear scaling. |
| 23:14.52 | Kirkburn|Yadda | :) |
| 23:14.56 | Adrine | >_> |
| 23:15.01 | Adrine | That sounds plausable, though |
| 23:15.07 | Adrine | A heavy runecloth is 2k over 8 seconds. |
| 23:15.24 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Imagine being a mage with that |
| 23:15.31 | Adrine | Ye gods. They are going to nail us with the frost resist in Naxx. |
| 23:15.31 | Kirkburn|Yadda | 15 seconds to regen |
| 23:15.33 | snurre | that sounds overpowered |
| 23:15.38 | depakote | is there any addons that utilize /who? :O |
| 23:15.50 | Adrine | Compared to an AOE silence and energy/rage/mana regen on demand? ;) |
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| 23:16.14 | Adrine | Looks like we're getting 90 frost resist on the three crafted pieces. |
| 23:16.51 | snurre | compared to something that gives 0.5 ap per strength for 15sec and -50% healing for 30sec, it does |
| 23:17.17 | Adrine | ...huh? |
| 23:17.27 | sancus | lol |
| 23:17.36 | snurre | you kinda need to compare it to the exisiting racials, not only belf |
| 23:17.47 | sancus | now people are inventing speculations on the scaling for draenei racial abilities? |
| 23:18.00 | Miravlix | The HoT sounds pretty good |
| 23:18.10 | snurre | sounds too good imo |
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| 23:18.16 | sancus | let me be the first to say that draenei will be overpowered because their +15 jewelcrafting will let them craft things nobody else can!!!!! |
| 23:18.26 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Lol, we don't know how it scales yet |
| 23:18.31 | snurre | ofc not |
| 23:18.37 | sancus | its worse than that |
| 23:18.37 | snurre | but IF it's like that |
| 23:18.44 | sancus | we dont know if they'll even end up with that ability in the first place :P |
| 23:18.54 | Kirkburn|Yadda | :) |
| 23:19.04 | Kirkburn|Yadda | +15 is a lot |
| 23:19.19 | Kirkburn|Yadda | But then, it never did gnomes any good |
| 23:19.44 | End | it's good for a headstart, that's about it |
| 23:20.03 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Only skinning is the useful one |
| 23:20.29 | End | I don't think any race gets a skinning racial though... |
| 23:20.44 | Kirkburn|Yadda | I know |
| 23:20.46 | Kirkburn|Yadda | :( |
| 23:20.50 | End | and mining too, for AQ |
| 23:21.16 | Adrine | Eh, mining is easily done with the glove enchant |
| 23:21.20 | End | yeah |
| 23:21.34 | Adrine | +tradeskill racials are really just conveniences |
| 23:21.41 | End | yup |
| 23:21.52 | Adrine | The +weaponskill racials are dominant in raiding, and the active racials are flashy. |
| 23:22.14 | Adrine | My opinion is that the Horde have better offensive racials, which chafes mildly, but the alliance ones aren't too terrible for the most part. |
| 23:22.59 | End | horde ones are best for pvp |
| 23:23.30 | Adrine | Perception, Stoneform, Escape Artist, and Shadowmeld are all phenominal defensive/reactive skills. |
| 23:23.41 | snurre | and they are all good |
| 23:23.55 | End | escape artist used to suck ass from what I understand |
| 23:24.03 | snurre | it did, due to long casting time |
| 23:24.11 | Adrine | Loooong casting time made it hard to react quickly |
| 23:24.20 | End | and not working on many snares |
| 23:24.25 | snurre | gnome warr is arguably the best for pvp now |
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| 23:24.58 | Adrine | Depends on who you are fighting, I think. Dwarf and Orc are also excellent due to stoneform (anti-bleed/poison) and hardiness (not stunning a warrior = messy death) |
| 23:26.29 | End | hardiness used to be freakishly good against rogues, but now it's just pretty good |
| 23:26.51 | Adrine | When it stopped sap and gouge, yeah, it was insane. |
| 23:26.59 | Miravlix | My mage totally own warriors in PvP, my warrior totally owns Mages in pvp. |
| 23:27.17 | Miravlix | My mage is alliance.. and the warrior is gnome. |
| 23:27.26 | zespri_work | I think the best job position in Blizzard would be an office mascot. You get to do nothing, just wander around the office, gossip and get all the latest news. You can go bug developers, asking them about progress and stuff you can be lazy all you want and everybody will still like you. You won;t be able to disclose of course, but who cares, when you are in the know... |
| 23:27.54 | zespri_work | even if it's totally unpaid position =) |
| 23:28.18 | snurre | the developers would like that for sure....... |
| 23:28.51 | zespri_work | oh you will bring them luck. when you are around all bugs will be abovious to fix almost immideately |
| 23:28.54 | Kirkburn|Yadda | I would, and that's what counts. |
| 23:28.56 | zespri_work | so they'll love you |
| 23:29.15 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Dress up as a leprechaun and bring the luck o' the irish! |
| 23:29.21 | snurre | you just described the community reps' job anyway |
| 23:29.24 | Kirkburn|Yadda | And, dance. |
| 23:30.02 | zespri_work | I think in blizz comuntity rep has to do more then just be around and posting on forums |
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| 23:30.19 | Miravlix | They maintain the web site and stuff too |
| 23:30.22 | Kirkburn|Yadda | They do a lot more |
| 23:30.26 | snurre | yeh, spamming the internal mailing lists |
| 23:30.27 | zespri_work | at least that's the perseption that kdm made when she stil was with blizzz |
| 23:30.36 | Kirkburn|Yadda | They don't maintain the website, but they do provide some of the content |
| 23:30.40 | zespri_work | *impression |
| 23:30.43 | zespri_work | *impression |
| 23:30.53 | Miravlix | The content is the website |
| 23:30.56 | Miravlix | duh! |
| 23:30.57 | zespri_work | uhm, my mirc playing up |
| 23:31.01 | Kirkburn|Yadda | snurre, what killed your inner child? |
| 23:31.13 | zespri_work | for some reason it scrolss the text down all of a sudden |
| 23:31.14 | Cairenn | "zespri_work: at least that's the perseption that kdm made when she stil was with blizzz" what do you mean *when* she *was still* with blizzard? she still is |
| 23:31.19 | snurre | Kirkburn|Yadda: hm.. good question :p |
| 23:31.20 | zespri_work | does this every day |
| 23:31.25 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Maintaining a website, and providing content for it are two very different jobs |
| 23:31.25 | Miravlix | Only weird geeks that think the codeing behind a web site is anything important. :) |
| 23:31.43 | Kirkburn|Yadda | <-- weird geek? I think so. |
| 23:31.53 | Cairenn | she moved to a different position within the company, she didn't leave |
| 23:31.58 | zespri_work | Cairenn, oh ok, I heard a rummor that the 'other position in Blizz' was just a PR, and she actually left them |
| 23:32.04 | zespri_work | but this was just a rummor |
| 23:32.08 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Nope, we haven't lost her :) |
| 23:32.25 | Cairenn | she's still there, trust me |
| 23:32.33 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Fangtooth too? |
| 23:32.44 | Cairenn | last I heard, yup |
| 23:32.52 | Kirkburn|Yadda | :) |
| 23:33.07 | Kirkburn|Yadda | The voice of the murlocs is still heard :P |
| 23:33.08 | snurre | last thing I heard about Fangtooth was some ugly rumours, but I suppose they were nothing more than that |
| 23:33.14 | Adrine | with no offense to the CMs, I imagine that there is room for a lot of upwards movement from the CM position. ;) |
| 23:33.23 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Ah, the forumites always make up nasty rumours |
| 23:33.35 | snurre | not on forums, more like in RL |
| 23:33.47 | snurre | aww |
| 23:33.52 | Adrine | *grin* |
| 23:34.04 | zespri_work | Well, I can beleive that there are people who fit CM role very good and enjoy doing this |
| 23:34.13 | zespri_work | not everybody wants to get to the top, you see |
| 23:34.41 | Kirkburn|Yadda | CM is quite an important job tbh |
| 23:34.53 | Kirkburn|Yadda | They are the public face of the company |
| 23:35.05 | Cairenn | and it is an extremely demanding job |
| 23:35.17 | snurre | I curse the CMs for getting the trip to E3 and Blizzcon |
| 23:35.19 | Cairenn | it takes a certain type of person to be able to do that job *well* |
| 23:35.24 | Adrine | Oh, no doubt. I just think that as people become more experienced with the company and that role, they become more valuable in more specialized areas. |
| 23:35.27 | Adrine | Certainly happens in my job. |
| 23:35.37 | Cairenn | Adrine: indeed |
| 23:35.51 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Someone with very thick skin too ... I think more mass bannings are required :) |
| 23:35.52 | Cairenn | no question of that |
| 23:36.10 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|Yadda: how many folks have you heard of me banning from WoWI? |
| 23:36.20 | Kirkburn|Yadda | No the general forums! :) |
| 23:36.27 | Cairenn | for all intents and purposes, I'm the same as a CM (plus) |
| 23:37.09 | Cairenn | I knew what you meant, but mass bannings and a thick skin aren't necessarily the answer |
| 23:37.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ahhh, the Draenei -- Horde gains a (mostly) normal-looking race, and Alliance gains an anthromorphic mutated race. |
| 23:37.26 | End | have you actually seen them? |
| 23:37.28 | Kirkburn|Yadda | oh, no, but it sure would shut the whiners up ;) |
| 23:37.39 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:37.41 | Adrine | Having adminned large communities, I have a certain appreciation for those that do, and have absolutley no desire for the position. :P |
| 23:37.43 | End | they look less mutated than you might expect |
| 23:37.52 | Adrine | You spend a lot of time between rocks and hard places. |
| 23:37.55 | Kirkburn|Yadda | mmm, tentacles |
| 23:38.00 | Cairenn | Adrine: indeed |
| 23:38.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | End: They are pretty mutated compared to the rest of the Alliance |
| 23:38.11 | Kirkburn|Yadda | gnomes? :P |
| 23:38.27 | Cairenn | GenNMX|Thrae: they are the "ugly" race for the alliance |
| 23:38.36 | Cairenn | just as the BEs are the "pretty" race for the horde |
| 23:38.41 | Cairenn | both sides needed one |
| 23:38.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | IE, the idea here is that ALL of the Horde races are pretty mutated, while ALL of the Alliance races are pretty human-esque |
| 23:38.55 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Btw, do you know anything about the murloc lore Cairenn? |
| 23:38.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: Yeah, that's what I was trying to say :D |
| 23:39.08 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|Yadda: some, not much |
| 23:39.31 | Kirkburn|Yadda | As in, if it's leading somewhere big? |
| 23:39.58 | Kirkburn|Yadda | I'm hoping it wasn't just general background padding |
| 23:40.07 | Cairenn | you think I'm going to answer that? I've have thought you had learned better by now :p |
| 23:40.17 | ckknight | I'm gona bet the Murlocs will be intimately involved in the next expansion |
| 23:40.25 | ckknight | and other sea races |
| 23:40.28 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Humbuggle |
| 23:40.35 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|Yadda: *snicker* |
| 23:40.47 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Cairenn: *twix* |
| 23:40.48 | Cairenn | nice try though |
| 23:40.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | I warn you now, roll a Draenei and you may be inundated with this -- "Why so blue?" |
| 23:40.59 | Adrine | Personally, I'm happy the Alliance are getting a large race. |
| 23:41.27 | Kirkburn|Yadda | (I don't like Snickers ... much prefer Twixs) |
| 23:41.35 | Adrine | You can't say that there isn't a psylogical impact associated with a Tauren in Might or Wrath wielding an Untamed Blade charging you down. |
| 23:41.49 | Adrine | Of course, there's also a psychological impact associated with being ganked by a gnome and then giggled at. |
| 23:42.06 | Cairenn | Adrine: and they (Blizz) actually acknowledged that that was part of what they were going for with the Draenei |
| 23:42.17 | Adrine | Yup. I'm just happy to see that! |
| 23:42.37 | Adrine | I rather like it. Though my Horde friends are cackling, telling me that I will soon know the pain of raiding with tauren-sized behinds. |
| 23:42.51 | Kirkburn|Yadda | heh |
| 23:42.58 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:43.25 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Well they'll get people jumping everywhere in return |
| 23:44.09 | ckknight | they do seem awfully blue to me |
| 23:44.17 | ckknight | like the Hindu gods |
| 23:44.30 | Adrine | Heh. We're getting the four-armed "Shivan" in outland. |
| 23:44.33 | Kirkburn|Yadda | I'm still waiting on seeing the Draenei architecture |
| 23:44.36 | Adrine | Hindu influence? Naaaaaaahh. |
| 23:44.38 | Adrine | Kirkburn|Yadda... |
| 23:44.43 | End | yeah, now you can have someone to stand on the repair bots...muahahaha |
| 23:44.44 | Adrine | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/images/wallpapers/draenei/draenei-1280x1024.jpg |
| 23:44.47 | Adrine | Background |
| 23:44.49 | Wobin_ | I want them to make it so the bloodelves don't flip when they jump =P |
| 23:44.53 | Adrine | First thing I thought of was "Whoa, Forerunner" :P |
| 23:44.53 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Yeah, I mean from the vids |
| 23:45.18 | ckknight | it'd be great if the Draenei were Hindu-influenced |
| 23:45.19 | Adrine | I can imagine the Master Chief tearing that place up :P |
| 23:45.19 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Blood Elves don't flip |
| 23:45.25 | Kirkburn|Yadda | They twist |
| 23:45.29 | Adrine | They do a kind of spin-twist |
| 23:45.35 | Adrine | It's odd and mildly irritating, IMO. |
| 23:45.51 | Kirkburn|Yadda | The BE architecture is indian/asian influenced |
| 23:45.57 | ckknight | cool. |
| 23:46.04 | ckknight | but meh |
| 23:46.13 | Wobin_ | spin twist |
| 23:46.17 | Kirkburn|Yadda | (not china/japan, further south/west) |
| 23:46.20 | Wobin_ | like... mary poppins? |
| 23:46.23 | ckknight | what are BEs' real life parallel? |
| 23:46.34 | Adrine | Huh? |
| 23:46.38 | Adrine | I don't understand the question. |
| 23:46.40 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Aborigines? I dunno? |
| 23:46.49 | ckknight | every WoW race has a real-life parallel |
| 23:46.55 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Tauren ..... |
| 23:46.58 | Adrine | Like what? |
| 23:46.59 | ckknight | Native American |
| 23:47.04 | Adrine | Ooh, influence you mean. |
| 23:47.04 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Ah true |
| 23:47.08 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:47.14 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Hmmmmm |
| 23:47.33 | ckknight | even Blizzard hints at it |
| 23:47.44 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Not sure the other races are so clear cut |
| 23:47.50 | Kirkburn|Yadda | (why did I choose tauren!) |
| 23:47.53 | ckknight | they are. |
| 23:48.05 | ckknight | one of the Male Orcs' /silly things is "You know I'm feeling you, but I'm not feeling you" |
| 23:48.07 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Good ahead, mon |
| 23:48.28 | Kirkburn|Yadda | *go |
| 23:48.47 | Wobin_ | Brilliant! |
| 23:48.48 | Cairenn | yeah, the troll influence is pretty damn obvious |
| 23:48.50 | ckknight | Trolls, with their accent, are pretty obvious |
| 23:48.56 | Wobin_ | As are the dwarves |
| 23:48.57 | Adrine | The dwarves are scottish, it seems |
| 23:49.00 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:49.06 | Wobin_ | Gnomes, not so easy |
| 23:49.11 | Kirkburn|Yadda | That's just voices, doesn't really influence the character |
| 23:49.11 | ckknight | I know what Gnomes are |
| 23:49.13 | Wobin_ | nor humans really |
| 23:49.15 | Adrine | The humans are germanic, based on the architecture, I'd say. |
| 23:49.24 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:49.27 | Wobin_ | okay. I'll give them that |
| 23:49.29 | Adrine | Very central european. |
| 23:49.30 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Well, european |
| 23:49.38 | ckknight | Gnomes are Jews, by the way (I don't want to be offensive, but it's obvious to me) |
| 23:49.39 | Cairenn | any medieval european, really |
| 23:49.51 | Wobin_ | Goblins, no? |
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| 23:50.03 | Adrine | Forsaken are... |
| 23:50.04 | Wobin_ | Goblins are more Jewish than the gnomes |
| 23:50.04 | Adrine | what? |
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| 23:50.07 | Kirkburn|Yadda | I don't get the gnome one |
| 23:50.24 | ckknight | Gnomes don't have a land of their own, they're freaky smart |
| 23:50.25 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Wobin_, that's getting more towards stereotyping |
| 23:50.26 | Adrine | I don't think the gnomes are mirrored in any real culture, really. |
| 23:50.40 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Just because they're money people |
| 23:50.42 | Wobin_ | Well yes. but the whole thing is about stereotyping |
| 23:50.48 | Wobin_ | Nah, I was more about the accent |
| 23:50.50 | ckknight | yea, it's all stereotypes |
| 23:50.55 | ckknight | Undead are French |
| 23:50.57 | Adrine | Their defining traits are intense curiosity and a tendancy towards eccentricities. |
| 23:51.00 | ckknight | but not in a bad way |
| 23:51.09 | Kirkburn|Yadda | I think we're entering the realm of serious tenuousness |
| 23:51.31 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Tauren = NA, I can accept ... voices for the others are obvious (but not character defining) |
| 23:51.44 | ckknight | it's not all voices, sometimes it's architecture |
| 23:51.45 | ckknight | or the names |
| 23:51.55 | Adrine | Gnomes are kinda your average high school nerd, I'd say. |
| 23:52.06 | ckknight | Undead all have "sophisticated" French/Italian names and such |
| 23:52.17 | Kirkburn|Yadda | What, like 'John'? |
| 23:52.22 | ckknight | whatever |
| 23:52.24 | ckknight | Montague |
| 23:52.26 | Kirkburn|Yadda | :P |
| 23:52.33 | ckknight | either way, Undead are yuppies |
| 23:52.38 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Yes, that's nicked from Shakespear |
| 23:52.42 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:52.48 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Who was english ;) |
| 23:52.57 | Kirkburn|Yadda | muahaha |
| 23:53.00 | ckknight | but Romeo and Juliet took place in Italy |
| 23:53.02 | ckknight | read up. |
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| 23:53.18 | Cairenn | one *might* almost say the Undead are Romania ... you know, vampires, the living dead, all that |
| 23:53.33 | Cairenn | (yes, I know, it's bunk) |
| 23:53.34 | Kirkburn|Yadda | *if I bang my head against the table, my nose will explode again, don't make me do it) |
| 23:53.44 | Adrine | I think there are heavy central european influences, again |
| 23:53.47 | Kirkburn|Yadda | zomg! |
| 23:53.57 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Well, they're dead version of humans. |
| 23:54.00 | Adrine | It makes sense for them to be ...yeah |
| 23:54.05 | Kirkburn|Yadda | So european would make sense. |
| 23:54.05 | zespri_work | Cairen how romania and vampires connected? |
| 23:54.12 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Transylvania |
| 23:54.15 | ckknight | the culture between Humans and Undead are different |
| 23:54.20 | ckknight | you can't deny that |
| 23:54.21 | Adrine | Most modern vampire tales have originated around Romania. |
| 23:54.28 | Adrine | Well. Not even the modern ones. |
| 23:54.29 | Wobin_ | arghghgharhgahgaghaglkdj;asdlfkjsdf |
| 23:54.37 | Wobin_ | Why the hell is this crashing WoW?! |
| 23:54.39 | Adrine | Pretty much all western vampire tales. |
| 23:54.42 | ckknight | Romeo, Romeo! Wherefore art thou Romeo? |
| 23:54.47 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Probably because you're typing random rubbish? |
| 23:54.51 | Cairenn | Wobin_: because blizz hates you |
| 23:54.59 | Kirkburn|Yadda | I'm not sure WoW understands "arghghgharhgahgaghaglkdj;asdlfkjsdf" |
| 23:55.04 | Cairenn | hey, tragywydd, I have to yell at you |
| 23:55.06 | End | Because I hate you. |
| 23:55.11 | End | except I don't hate you. |
| 23:55.13 | cladhaire | Hahahahahahaha |
| 23:55.14 | cladhaire | http://lorelol.ytmnd.com/ |
| 23:55.15 | Adrine | Do you have your dialect set to murloc, Wobin_? |
| 23:55.18 | End | so WoW isn't crashing |
| 23:55.19 | Adrine | That might help |
| 23:55.21 | Wobin_ | End: You sound conflicted |
| 23:55.23 | End | you are just faking it |
| 23:55.31 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Orcs? |
| 23:55.40 | End | no, I'm pretty sure you are just faking it |
| 23:55.40 | zespri_work | Cairenn, no, I'm serious. It may seem as a dumb quetion but I really don;t know the answe |
| 23:55.43 | Adrine | Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahh@cladhaire |
| 23:55.57 | Cairenn | ROFL at Clad's link |
| 23:56.09 | Kirkburn|Yadda | zespri_work, check out wikipedia |
| 23:56.18 | Cairenn | zespri, see what the others said about the "typical" vampire stories |
| 23:56.19 | Adrine | That is going to everyone I know, cladhaire |
| 23:56.27 | zespri_work | for what? for romania or for vampires? |
| 23:56.39 | Cairenn | both |
| 23:56.40 | Adrine | vampires, I'd guess |
| 23:56.53 | zespri_work | ok |
| 23:56.55 | Wobin_ | bah |
| 23:56.55 | Kirkburn|Yadda | heh |
| 23:56.56 | ckknight | Undead aren't vampiric, though |
| 23:56.58 | Wobin_ | doesn't load up for me |
| 23:57.02 | ckknight | only Dreadlords are |
| 23:57.07 | Kirkburn|Yadda | And socks |
| 23:57.15 | Adrine | But the undead have a close association with the vampiric. |
| 23:57.21 | Cairenn | didn't say they were vampiric, said they were comparable, in some ways, to the whole "living dead" thing |
| 23:57.48 | cladhaire | i can't stop watching that =) |
| 23:57.48 | Adrine | That and the whole "noble horror" aspect. |
| 23:57.50 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Evidently they rip off Night of the Living Dead. |
| 23:57.57 | Adrine | The undead have a certain pride in themselves |
| 23:58.00 | Kirkburn|Yadda | I mean, c'mon, it's soooo obvious |
| 23:58.07 | ckknight | I'm gonna go with yuppies. |
| 23:58.12 | ckknight | they're like pure gentrification |
| 23:58.19 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:58.36 | Kirkburn|Yadda | Orcs? |
| 23:58.40 | Cairenn | hey, tragywydd! |
| 23:58.58 | ckknight | Orcs are African-American. This is hinted at by their /silly deals |
| 23:59.19 | Adrine | They kinda have the tribal thing going on, but that's a really tenuous link. |
| 23:59.49 | sancus | http://lorelol.ytmnd.com/ |
| 23:59.53 | sancus | ^^ hahahahahahahahahaha |
