| 00:00.00 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 00:00.12 | Kirkburn | :) Yeah, so after login |
| 00:00.23 | Kirkburn | (it worries that you didn't know) |
| 00:00.24 | JoshBorke | where do i have to go to get tocs reread :-) |
| 00:00.35 | JoshBorke | is basically what i'm asking :-D |
| 00:00.42 | Tem | ... wow |
| 00:00.44 | AnduinLothar | quit the game |
| 00:00.45 | Tem | "How do i use coradinats" |
| 00:00.45 | Gryphen | close wow.exe |
| 00:00.46 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 00:00.51 | Kirkburn | Yeah, you gotta quit |
| 00:01.32 | Kirkburn | (I suppose it the same reason as why you have to quit totally to add a new addon) |
| 00:02.01 | Tem | indeed |
| 00:02.15 | Tem | Anyone know why that change was made? |
| 00:02.22 | Iriel | It does depend what change was made to the toc |
| 00:02.23 | Kirkburn | It used to be different? |
| 00:02.32 | Iriel | Tem: When the LoD stuff went in |
| 00:02.34 | Tem | Do we know anything more than "technical issues with Load On Demand addons?" |
| 00:02.52 | Iriel | Tem: Presumably because we can query the LoD specifications, so they didn't want it as a vector to allow data to get fed in |
| 00:03.02 | Iriel | Tem: I suspect it also has to do with when signed addons are validated |
| 00:03.31 | Kirkburn | The data feed thing makes sense |
| 00:03.32 | Tem | seems like they are being overly paranoid to me |
| 00:03.41 | Tem | but then, I'm no expert in that area |
| 00:04.02 | Kirkburn | Well, if you can read a file outside of WoW when in the game, it allows data to be passed in |
| 00:04.07 | Tem | Now, if it has to do with signed stuff, that I can understand |
| 00:06.13 | AnduinLothar | i can read music files from anywhere on your hd.. |
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| 00:08.18 | JoshBorke | ( AnduinLothar ): can you find them? |
| 00:08.28 | AnduinLothar | yup :) |
| 00:08.32 | Iriel | Damn, i've completely forgotten how to do java reflection |
| 00:08.44 | AnduinLothar | just not from inside wow :P |
| 00:11.35 | Kirkburn | I love when people end a comment with "Read the warcraft History, dudes. It helps.", when all that they said previously was wrong :-/ |
| 00:11.57 | AnduinLothar | how many times has athat happened? |
| 00:12.00 | Tem | SilverShadow[CU]: when's the new site supposed to go live? |
| 00:12.10 | AnduinLothar | "Now" |
| 00:12.15 | SilverShadow[CU] | within the next week.. |
| 00:12.20 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 00:12.24 | Gryphen | was supposed to be 7th heh |
| 00:12.33 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar, well, just now for one. Guy was trying to say Night Elves lived in Quel-thalas and became Blood Elves |
| 00:12.35 | AnduinLothar | was sposed to be 3 weeks ago.. |
| 00:13.01 | ckknight | anybody worked with the FuBar 1.1 API here? |
| 00:13.12 | SilverShadow[CU] | Rightnow they are testing a few things, and if it all goes through it will be tonihgt. |
| 00:13.22 | Tem | cool |
| 00:14.14 | Kirkburn | Well it's time for me to sleep. As a Sim might say ... "Dag Dag!" |
| 00:14.24 | ckknight | I'm considering freezing and releasing FuBar 1.2 |
| 00:14.28 | Kirkburn | (Simlish. Coolest language ever.) |
| 00:14.34 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn |
| 00:14.43 | ckknight | ? |
| 00:14.45 | ckknight | stove? |
| 00:14.53 | JoshBorke | so you don't freeze of course |
| 00:14.58 | Kirkburn | =) Night night |
| 00:15.00 | ckknight | lol |
| 00:15.06 | ckknight | freezes are important |
| 00:17.07 | ckknight | freezes allow authors to know that their plugin will work for a certain amount of time without changing |
| 00:17.22 | JoshBorke | it was a bad joke ckknight :-D |
| 00:17.27 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:18.47 | JoshBorke | i didn't make it, that's why :D |
| 00:19.40 | Tem | yes, go with human instinct |
| 00:19.45 | Tem | blame it on someone else |
| 00:21.04 | Tem | ~pat JoshBorke |
| 00:21.06 | purl | ACTION pats JoshBorke and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 00:21.14 | Tem | curses! |
| 00:21.20 | Tem | I can't ever remember the right one... |
| 00:21.22 | JoshBorke | ~whaleslap tem |
| 00:21.23 | purl | ACTION beats tem upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 00:21.24 | Tem | ~pet JoshBorke |
| 00:21.26 | purl | ACTION reaches over and pets JoshBorke on the head, saying "There, there! It'll all be ok!" |
| 00:21.31 | Tem | there it is |
| 00:21.36 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 00:21.42 | JoshBorke | my first 7 attempts on vael! |
| 00:21.56 | Tem | Vael is such a cockblock |
| 00:22.35 | JoshBorke | and there we just wiped again... |
| 00:22.51 | JoshBorke | and we didn't even aggro him!@ |
| 00:23.12 | JoshBorke | but honestly, i'm having fun :-) |
| 00:23.22 | Tem | new content is the win |
| 00:23.27 | JoshBorke | yep |
| 00:23.32 | Tem | even when you're wiping over and over it's fun |
| 00:23.46 | JoshBorke | yea, it's my first trip into BWL |
| 00:23.50 | Tem | ah |
| 00:24.02 | Tem | my first night in BWL was awesome |
| 00:24.14 | JoshBorke | i missed the razorgore kill though :-( that one would be fun because i'm a MH (sorta) |
| 00:24.43 | Tem | Druid? |
| 00:24.48 | JoshBorke | paladin |
| 00:24.52 | Tem | ah |
| 00:24.57 | Tem | yes, pallys have a ball on Razor |
| 00:24.59 | JoshBorke | i <3 my paladin |
| 00:25.21 | AnduinLothar | everyone hearts their pally |
| 00:25.33 | Tem | I heart svn |
| 00:26.06 | JoshBorke | not when i have to quest solo , then it's like pulling teeth |
| 00:26.58 | Tem | heh |
| 00:28.32 | JoshBorke | i wish repair bots had the faction of the creator |
| 00:29.22 | AnduinLothar | what if you want to help out the other faction? |
| 00:29.58 | AnduinLothar | pallies can solo most content that requires 2 people, it just takes three times as long |
| 00:31.49 | netcurse | vael is easy .> |
| 00:32.05 | netcurse | we were in the top 5 guild to kill vael |
| 00:32.28 | JoshBorke | ( netcurse ): grats :D |
| 00:32.36 | netcurse | was 1 year ago :p |
| 00:32.41 | netcurse | ora bit less |
| 00:32.48 | netcurse | 9 month :p |
| 00:32.49 | JoshBorke | never too late to get congratulations :-) |
| 00:33.14 | netcurse | but thanks |
| 00:33.15 | netcurse | :p |
| 00:33.35 | JoshBorke | surprisingly, my guild was able to take down vael after 2 real attempts |
| 00:33.49 | JoshBorke | and here we are the next week and are failing miserably :D |
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| 01:03.44 | Dolby-wowi | I think the best route for just a quick text link would be to add a new field called "quick link" that will allow the author to name the link, then it will just redirect it to the more yahoo/google friendly mod_rewrite link |
| 01:04.12 | AnduinLothar | ? |
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| 01:06.37 | dukeku_ | that was interesting |
| 01:06.37 | Dolby-wowi | sorry thinking out loud |
| 01:14.47 | Legorol | good evening folks |
| 01:15.20 | Cairenn | hey hey Legorol :) |
| 01:15.24 | Legorol | i have found a very weird #132 crash bug, and was wondering for comments |
| 01:15.31 | Legorol | going to pastebin.. |
| 01:16.49 | Legorol | Please take a look at this page: http://wow.pastebin.com/704547 and this one: http://wow.pastebin.com/704548 |
| 01:17.12 | Legorol | if you have a minimal AddOn with nothing in it, except for ## SavedVariables: MinimalXString (where X is 1 or 2) |
| 01:17.32 | Legorol | and the SV.lua file for the addon contains one of those two strings, |
| 01:18.04 | Legorol | one of them (the irregular shaped one at http://wow.pastebin.com/704547) causes WoW to crash with #132 when you logout/exit, but only *after* it successfully writes the savedvariables files |
| 01:18.41 | Legorol | the other one at http://wow.pastebin.com/704548 doesn't throw #132 crash |
| 01:18.58 | Legorol | both strings have identical length, 2008 characters including the \ and the LF characters |
| 01:19.30 | Legorol | if you delete even a *single* character from the one that causes the crash (any of the "a" or the \LF at the end of a line), it doesn't crash anymore |
| 01:19.35 | Legorol | comments.. suggestions.. |
| 01:19.41 | Legorol | i'm definitely mailing it to slouken |
| 01:20.22 | Iriel | Legorol : I believe it's fixed for 1.11 |
| 01:20.34 | Legorol | ok, that's the kind of thing i was hoping for :D |
| 01:20.36 | Iriel | Legorol : Numerous string crash bugs have been reported, his response has been 'test it in 1.11' |
| 01:20.43 | Iriel | * Saving extremely long strings to SavedVariables no longer crashes client on logout/reload. |
| 01:20.55 | Iriel | The word 'extremely' appears based on your and other data to be perhaps a stretch |
| 01:20.58 | Legorol | ok, do you have any particular details about what sort of things cause crash? |
| 01:21.07 | AnduinLothar | bad ones |
| 01:21.21 | Legorol | there is absolutely no pattern here that i can see.. |
| 01:21.34 | Iriel | Unfortunately not, it feels like a buffer management problem |
| 01:21.34 | Legorol | ok, if it's been reported than i'll test again in 1.11 |
| 01:21.44 | Legorol | s/than/then/ |
| 01:22.02 | Legorol | thanks for the info, Iriel |
| 01:22.29 | Legorol | reason why i didn't think this was related the "extremely" long string thing is because 2008 characters are hardly that long, and it seemed to depend on the shape |
| 01:22.30 | Iriel | No problem, trying to remember quirky crash bugs is a hobby 8-) |
| 01:22.34 | Legorol | so i thought maybe it's unrelated |
| 01:22.37 | Legorol | hehe |
| 01:22.47 | Legorol | and now that you are MVP, it's your duty and responsibility ;-) |
| 01:23.00 | Iriel | It may well be unrelated, but based on slouken's response to a recent crash post I think it is not 8-) |
| 01:23.06 | Legorol | ok, cool |
| 01:23.09 | Iriel | My current pet OnUpdate bug is getting fixed too |
| 01:23.16 | Legorol | that's why i came here to ask you first, i figured if anything you'd know about this ;-) |
| 01:23.18 | Iriel | though i can't take credit for finding it, only figuring out how it worked. |
| 01:24.09 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: this crash problem has implications for SocialMods |
| 01:24.22 | Legorol | i found it because my copy of SocialMods has rather long texts in the savedvars |
| 01:24.25 | AnduinLothar | ya ya.. it was reported a few months ago |
| 01:24.27 | Legorol | cool |
| 01:24.37 | Legorol | just sayin', you know, in case it wasn't known |
| 01:24.40 | Iriel | SocialMods is the one that broke it first and caused the initial 'will be fixed in 1.11' |
| 01:24.40 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 01:24.50 | Legorol | right, so i'm laggin |
| 01:24.51 | Legorol | :-) |
| 01:24.51 | Iriel | But at the time the strings in question were longer than 2k, IIRC |
| 01:27.38 | Legorol | all right, thanks a lot |
| 01:27.52 | Legorol | sucks to have been out of touch ;-) |
| 01:28.11 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 01:28.37 | Legorol | Iriel, to answer your question: been fine, very busy in RL and also replaced most of the innards of my computer |
| 01:28.55 | Legorol | slowly getting around to reinstalling everything |
| 01:29.06 | Iriel | Replaced with newer better innards? |
| 01:29.11 | Legorol | hopefully |
| 01:29.31 | AnduinLothar | dont feel too bad, i just updated all the rest of my mods to 1.10 a week or so ago |
| 01:29.45 | Legorol | got a new mobo, cpu, graphics card, SATA disk (first one, yay!) |
| 01:29.46 | AnduinLothar | and most of the standalones are old.. |
| 01:29.59 | Legorol | i noticed AnduinLothar you guys got this funky Localization thing going |
| 01:30.05 | AnduinLothar | ya, should be fun |
| 01:30.07 | Legorol | i have to learn what that is |
| 01:30.30 | AnduinLothar | just a toy that allows us to get Norganna's toy working mostly |
| 01:30.31 | Legorol | when i was replacing the components, i had a big "d'oh" moment |
| 01:30.42 | Legorol | the new mobo i got only had a single PATA connector |
| 01:30.53 | Legorol | so i had to hook up my old hard disk and CD drive to a single IDE cable |
| 01:30.57 | AnduinLothar | :/ |
| 01:31.14 | Legorol | only problem is: that cable only allows 8cm or so between the two devices connected onto it, and my HDD and CD were in opposite ends of the case |
| 01:31.47 | Iriel | Order a new cable? |
| 01:31.49 | Legorol | so never mind the inefficiency of it all, i was happy i could even screw them into the case close enough so the cable just about reaches both |
| 01:32.05 | Legorol | i was too keen to boot the computer up so i moved the devices instead :D |
| 01:32.21 | Legorol | well it's all working now thankfully, and WoW runs better :-) |
| 01:33.21 | AnduinLothar | :) ya, If i had $ a 10k rpm drive would be on the list |
| 01:33.28 | Legorol | ooo 10k |
| 01:33.30 | Legorol | drool |
| 01:33.39 | Legorol | didn't quite go that far |
| 01:33.56 | AnduinLothar | i have a 7k 200gb drive |
| 01:34.04 | AnduinLothar | and a 7k 70gb |
| 01:34.10 | Legorol | about the same as me |
| 01:34.24 | AnduinLothar | i want to get a 10k and put games and os on it |
| 01:34.40 | Legorol | this time i actually bothered to set up automated backup, so my most important files have a copy on the old hard disk too |
| 01:34.52 | Legorol | i had very bad backup practice before, saving my files maybe once every few months |
| 01:35.26 | AnduinLothar | i have zero backups... if my system were to burn in a fire i'd be screwed |
| 01:35.27 | Legorol | fortunately, no disasters ever struck me yet |
| 01:35.47 | Legorol | maybe grandma's house would do? |
| 01:36.07 | Legorol | "hey grandma, could you put these CDs for me in the attic, will you?" |
| 01:36.25 | AnduinLothar | cd backups would make me miserable |
| 01:36.34 | Legorol | not big enough, i know :/ |
| 01:36.36 | AnduinLothar | spend half your life backing things up... |
| 01:37.01 | Iriel | amazon's network drive service? |
| 01:37.02 | Legorol | i have a policy of dividing my files into two parts: essential ones that do fit on a CD, and non-essentials that i don't mind losing |
| 01:37.05 | AnduinLothar | need automated network transfer to another computer when the computer's not in use |
| 01:37.29 | Legorol | although lately i had to use DVDs |
| 01:37.39 | Legorol | aaanyways, anything exciting happening around here lately? |
| 01:37.49 | Legorol | 1.11 any close? expansion? |
| 01:37.50 | AnduinLothar | all of my creative content for the last 8 years of my life are on one hd |
| 01:37.51 | Iriel | I have a rented server (where I most most of my files) so I should be using that for better backups. I dont really do too well tho |
| 01:38.03 | Iriel | I'm guessing 1.11 is close, it was promised at E3 and that's this coming week |
| 01:38.16 | Iriel | (most most = host most) |
| 01:38.23 | AnduinLothar | no 1.11 wont be at e3 |
| 01:38.27 | Legorol | oki looking forward to test server as usual |
| 01:38.36 | AnduinLothar | they might demo naxx, but that's about it |
| 01:38.47 | Legorol | i like the fact they are now doing minor patches on test realm |
| 01:44.11 | Legorol | hm, when slouken says that "frame:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", 300, -200);" anchors relative to the screen, does he mean WorldFrame, or the actual physical screen (non-existent "root-frame" if you like) |
| 01:44.21 | AnduinLothar | screen |
| 01:44.33 | AnduinLothar | because WorldFrame can be SetPoint too |
| 01:45.03 | Legorol | and whatever happened to not specifying frame means the parent.. |
| 01:45.04 | Legorol | oh well |
| 01:45.18 | Iriel | Legorol : screen, as long as frame has no parent |
| 01:46.02 | Legorol | ho hum, so if it does have a parent than it anchors relative to that? |
| 01:46.12 | Iriel | I believe so |
| 01:46.22 | Iriel | though i'm not sure all of the hypercompact SetPoint calls work anymore |
| 01:46.34 | Esamynn | norganna: you around? |
| 01:47.02 | Iriel | But AFAIK, F:SetPoint("A", x, y) is equivalent to F:SetPoint("A", F:GetParent(), "A", x, y); |
| 01:48.03 | ckknight | I thought slouken said that only an explicit nil would anchor to screen |
| 01:48.07 | ckknight | a la: |
| 01:48.16 | ckknight | F:SetPoint("A", nil, "A", x, y) |
| 01:48.28 | Esamynn | yes, but what if the F:GetParent() == nil? |
| 01:48.39 | ckknight | it anchors to screen, not parent |
| 01:48.45 | Esamynn | I would expect a short form to anchor to screen too |
| 01:48.54 | Legorol | quote from slouken: If your frame is unparented, then setting points without a parent specified will anchor it relative to the screen: |
| 01:48.54 | Legorol | e.g. |
| 01:48.54 | Legorol | frame:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", 300, -200); |
| 01:48.54 | Legorol | I can make it so passing nil as an anchor parent will anchor relative to the screen, for 1.11. |
| 01:49.08 | ckknight | hrm |
| 01:49.10 | ckknight | okay then |
| 01:49.15 | Legorol | so it's confusing :D |
| 01:49.20 | Iriel | See the "if your frame is unparented" part |
| 01:49.32 | Legorol | i see |
| 01:49.38 | Iriel | An explicit nil as parent will mean "screen" from now on |
| 01:49.42 | Iriel | it already does, sorta, today |
| 01:49.45 | Legorol | oki, that makes sense |
| 01:50.08 | Iriel | so if you do F:SetPoint("A", nil, "A", x, y) then it's screen-relative (today I believe it's an error) |
| 01:50.13 | Iriel | (or it may default to parent) |
| 01:51.39 | Iriel | I'd test but my wow machine is currently vpn'ed into work |
| 02:04.22 | Esamynn | ./script PlayerFrame:SetPoint("TOPTLEFT", nil, "TOPLEFT", 25, -25) <-- gave me an error |
| 02:04.39 | Legorol | ditto |
| 02:04.52 | Legorol | lol Esamynn, i tried with PlayerFrame too |
| 02:04.55 | JoshBorke | same :-) |
| 02:05.09 | Iriel | Good good, that means I remembered right 8-) |
| 02:05.24 | Esamynn | it's one of my common "guinea pigs" |
| 02:05.25 | Iriel | AND I figured out my cold fusion data source issue, so today is good. |
| 02:05.35 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 02:07.51 | JoshBorke | morning cladhaire |
| 02:08.02 | cladhaire | evening =) |
| 02:22.03 | Iriel | Hm, Logitech G5 Laser mouse, NOw with added Coffee , oops |
| 02:22.19 | Cairenn | ooops |
| 02:22.38 | Iriel | I think it survived with only exterior moistness |
| 02:23.17 | Cairenn | good |
| 02:34.19 | Kemayo|KH | How's the click-wheel on your G5? Mine sometimes triggers a bit before the actual click, which has been getting quite annoying... |
| 02:37.32 | Iriel | I've had nothing but good experiences with mine, it's not done anything non-intuitive |
| 02:38.07 | Iriel | (it's suitably clicky) |
| 02:38.07 | Iriel | I cant' stand those new click-less wheel mice |
| 02:38.20 | Iriel | My G5 clicks right on the scroll |
| 02:38.42 | Iriel | My wireless one clicks a bit before it |
| 02:39.19 | Iriel | Sorry, i mean scroll a bit before the click |
| 02:40.56 | Tain | Yeah my mx1000 goes right on the click. Of course I had to just try it to find out. |
| 02:42.40 | Iriel | I have to really try to notice the difference between on-click and not, It's certainly nothing i've ever noticed implicitly |
| 02:43.36 | AnduinLothar | coffee's not too bad as electronic spills goes |
| 02:43.43 | AnduinLothar | worst is sodas |
| 02:43.44 | Iriel | No, Coke is FAR worse |
| 02:44.01 | Cairenn | and mouse isn't bad, keyboard is worse |
| 02:44.11 | AnduinLothar | i spilled dew on my gyration a while back, ruined the left click |
| 02:44.16 | Iriel | Aye, mice are usually washable |
| 02:44.20 | Iriel | far more than keyboards |
| 02:44.25 | Tain | Of course I'm always looking for an excuse to buy a new mouse. |
| 02:44.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:44.42 | Corrodias | should i feel lame because i'm using an old optical logitech wheel mouse? |
| 02:44.53 | AnduinLothar | that's what i use most of the time now |
| 02:45.01 | Corrodias | with only the three buttons + scrollwheel and no ergonomic design at all? |
| 02:45.14 | Cairenn | hey, if it works for you and you're happy with it, does it really matter? |
| 02:45.20 | netcurse | i have a razer copperhead |
| 02:45.30 | netcurse | but i dunno if you have this on the US .> |
| 02:45.48 | AnduinLothar | i just feel bad spending more money when i ruined my $80 one |
| 02:45.51 | Tain | I never liked any of the Razer mice. |
| 02:46.01 | Tain | They were all so hyped and expensive, and hurt my hands. |
| 02:46.13 | Iriel | Most of my mice are the MS Intellimouse Explorer Optical ones |
| 02:46.15 | netcurse | this one is nice it s the last one :p |
| 02:46.23 | Tain | I remember trying to use a Boomslang and getting cramps. |
| 02:46.34 | Corrodias | this mouse was probably $30 |
| 02:46.36 | Iriel | I only have the 2 logitechs, and to be honest the thing I like most about the G5 is that I can weight it close to the same as my wireless one |
| 02:46.47 | Tain | I like a heavy mouse. |
| 02:48.04 | AnduinLothar | i like mice that dont get sticky from lots of handsweat |
| 02:48.29 | Corrodias | my mouse... works >_> |
| 02:48.39 | Tain | I saw one with a tiny fan in its body. |
| 02:48.56 | AnduinLothar | ya, i've been wanting to try that |
| 03:00.59 | Kemayo|KH | It's great having a deadline - it makes me so much more motivated to do all those little tasks around the house that I put off. Doesn't help me meet the deadline... but I have a nice neat house. |
| 03:01.10 | AnduinLothar | same :) |
| 03:01.18 | AnduinLothar | dishes and laundry get done |
| 03:01.34 | Cairenn | funny how that works, seems to happen for me, too |
| 03:38.44 | AnduinLothar | mmm, white russian with chocolate... tasty |
| 03:38.54 | AnduinLothar | guess that'd be a black russian |
| 03:40.32 | Cairenn | nope |
| 03:40.40 | Cairenn | that'd be a white russian with chocolate |
| 03:40.49 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 03:40.58 | AnduinLothar | what's a black russian then? |
| 03:41.47 | Cairenn | black russian = kahula & vodka; white russian = vodka & ummm, shoot, whatever it is |
| 03:42.01 | Cairenn | vodka & rum? |
| 03:42.12 | Cairenn | can't remember now |
| 03:42.39 | AnduinLothar | hmm, thought white was vodka and kahlua |
| 03:42.49 | Cairenn | *snags her mix book* |
| 03:43.11 | Tain | Vodka, Kahlua and milk I thought. |
| 03:43.15 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 03:43.48 | Tain | Anyone know offhand of any potential issues with setting MinimapCluster's strata level to HIGH? |
| 03:44.11 | Cairenn | white = vodka, kahlua & milk or cream; black = vodka & kahlua |
| 03:44.34 | Cairenn | vodka, kahlua & baileys = mudslide mmmmmmm |
| 03:45.03 | AnduinLothar | rly? now im confused |
| 03:45.37 | Cairenn | according to Mr. Boston's "Official Bartender's & Party Guide", yup |
| 03:45.40 | Tain | I only ever end up having frozen mudslides from a mix. |
| 03:45.54 | Iriel | Tain: Not including it overlapping addon frames that dont expect it? |
| 03:46.01 | Iriel | Tain: I'd see what Gatherer makes of it |
| 03:49.03 | Tain | Don't use Gatherer so at leat that I'm not worried about. |
| 03:49.35 | Tain | Seems to be reacting ok so far. |
| 03:49.42 | Tain | And it's just for my own personal use. |
| 03:52.16 | AnduinLothar | so... brown russian? |
| 03:52.24 | Cairenn | heh, okay |
| 03:52.31 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 03:52.49 | Cairenn | myself, I'd just say "yummy" |
| 03:52.56 | Cairenn | but hey, if you insist ;) |
| 03:53.02 | AnduinLothar | needs more chocolate |
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| 04:09.16 | Cairenn | night all |
| 04:09.28 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 04:09.30 | Tain | Night Cairenn|sleep |
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| 05:10.32 | Esamynn | anyone around who has is familiar with the output of debugstack()? |
| 05:11.01 | Iriel | Vaguelly |
| 05:11.29 | Esamynn | any idea what [C]: at the beginning of a line means? |
| 05:12.43 | Iriel | Can you give an example, I do better with context, but my guess is that it's a function implemented in C |
| 05:13.05 | Esamynn | k, just a sec |
| 05:13.24 | Esamynn | hmm, it looks like you might be right |
| 05:15.03 | cmunn | Anyone familiar with women? |
| 05:15.16 | AnduinLothar | she went to sleep |
| 05:15.18 | cmunn | Any idea why she left me for a crazy psycho bitch who treats her like crap? |
| 05:15.28 | cmunn | (my girlfriend that is) |
| 05:15.47 | cmunn | or ex I guess it is now. |
| 05:16.03 | AnduinLothar | the grazy psyco ones are strangely attractive |
| 05:16.25 | cmunn | I guess... |
| 05:16.34 | Esamynn | Iriel: you're right, now to track down what is going on here |
| 05:17.40 | Kemayo|KH | Most theories that I have heard to explain that behavior boil down to "confidence is attractive" or "some people have low self-esteem". |
| 05:18.25 | cmunn | It's probably for the best... |
| 05:19.00 | cmunn | I'll be able to go into the next relationship with a clearly defined agreement about our raiding schedule instead of popping a new one on her when I moved guilds |
| 05:20.56 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 05:21.24 | AnduinLothar | raiding schedules aren't good for dating |
| 05:22.16 | cmunn | Sure they are. They help her know when you won't be available. It's better than having a haphazard raiding system and leaving her guessing if you'll be free to interact in meatspace |
| 05:22.39 | AnduinLothar | no no, i meant as oppossed to no raiding |
| 05:22.54 | cmunn | Oh |
| 05:22.59 | cmunn | But Epix > vagina |
| 05:23.18 | AnduinLothar | lasts longer in your case |
| 05:23.27 | cmunn | exactly |
| 05:24.26 | cmunn | Plus you're guild doesn't even remember when you joined, nor do they expect tribute on that day every year, or care if you go pubbing between scheduled raids |
| 05:30.10 | Kirov | Epics + Vagina > epics > vagina |
| 05:30.36 | AnduinLothar | Epic Vagina >> all |
| 05:33.19 | cmunn | True... |
| 05:37.27 | Corrodias | ilvl 65 vag |
| 05:38.09 | cmunn | 100g YOU BUY OK? GOOD DEAL |
| 05:38.26 | cmunn | LOVE YOU LONG TIME |
| 05:39.14 | Corrodias | for a lvl 65 vag of my own? yeah, i'd do 100g |
| 05:53.33 | Esamynn | sigh, subtle flaws in your logic really suck :( |
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| 05:55.07 | Codayus | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.42 | Codayus | She said it wasn't a big problem though - they'd just reschedule that to a different day of the week. |
| 05:56.11 | Codayus | Priorities, eh? :-) |
| 05:56.37 | Esamynn | lol |
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| 06:11.12 | Esamynn | hmm, this is strange, SPELLCAST_FAILED fires for every possible way of a spell failing to start casting EXCEPT for when the caster doesn't have enough mana to cast the spell |
| 06:11.58 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:12.12 | Esamynn | hi |
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| 06:17.06 | Corrodias | so you're saying... it doesn't fire when they don't have enough mana to cast it? |
| 06:17.36 | [MoonWolf] | morning people |
| 06:17.45 | [MoonWolf] | wow, this has to be the most mods online ever. |
| 06:18.27 | cmunn | some of us aren't mods. |
| 06:18.41 | cmunn | I, for one, am naked. |
| 06:20.25 | Corrodias | i am not a mod. i am a feature of the original program. |
| 06:20.40 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 06:21.07 | s|loup | why should it fire when it cant start because of low mana? |
| 06:21.21 | s|loup | it doesnt start so it cant failure |
| 06:21.56 | Corrodias | as long as something else is triggered, that's fine |
| 06:22.20 | Corrodias | i think i must watch some anime before i sleep. if i don't, i'm never going to get anywhere. |
| 06:23.40 | Corrodias | i need about five additional copies of myself. |
| 06:23.54 | Esamynn | Corrodias: correct |
| 06:24.17 | Iriel | I hate the spell events |
| 06:24.30 | Iriel | It fires at other times when you'd be inclined to think another event should fire also |
| 06:24.35 | Corrodias | for a total of six: one for school, work, & eating, one for playing games, one for watching shows, two for reading books, and the last for helping wherever needed. |
| 06:24.37 | Esamynn | I wonder if slouken would change is so that SPELLCAST_FAILED does fire |
| 06:24.39 | Iriel | I still have an outstanding bug in AfterCast |
| 06:25.02 | Corrodias | plus a million or two to solve the problem of aging within the next 40 years |
| 06:25.22 | Corrodias | hive-mind style |
| 06:26.04 | s|loup | @Esamynn: i dont think so, you have also a function to check if your action will work and if not if it doesnt because of mana |
| 06:26.14 | Esamynn | Iriel: are you refering to the unexpected events it complains about sometimes |
| 06:26.25 | Iriel | Esamynn : yes |
| 06:26.32 | Iriel | Esamynn : I need to make them 'expected' so it shuts up 8-) |
| 06:27.03 | Esamynn | one other thing you could do is make it so that AfterCast doesn't do any processing when there aren't any event's queued up |
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| 06:28.12 | Esamynn | s|loup: you don't for spells in the spell book, and I'm dealing with raw calls to CastSpell |
| 06:28.14 | Corrodias | you know, for about $6, you could get enough multivitamins to supply someone with a definitely livable amount of nutrients for a year. |
| 06:28.37 | Corrodias | minus proteins and whatever else they leave out that i forget |
| 06:28.49 | Corrodias | water, of course |
| 06:28.50 | s|loup | not for spells but for actionslos |
| 06:28.56 | s|loup | +t |
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| 06:29.22 | Esamynn | it just seems a little inconsistant to me |
| 06:42.32 | Iriel | Esamynn : Well, I deliberately kept it running the event model so that I could validate it wasn't broken 8-) |
| 06:42.49 | Esamynn | ahh :) |
| 06:43.42 | s|loup | Iriel can you ask slouken to deactivate the combatlogs for addons in battlegrounds? |
| 06:44.01 | Iriel | I'm not sure I understand that request? |
| 06:44.27 | s|loup | if players are in battlegrounds that addons cant read combatchat |
| 06:44.33 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 06:44.43 | s|loup | ^^ |
| 06:44.57 | Iriel | That's a silly request |
| 06:45.05 | AnduinLothar | not gonna happen |
| 06:45.14 | Tain | I think A) That's impossible, you can't make it so just addons can't read it |
| 06:45.18 | Tain | And B) Whaaaaa? |
| 06:45.29 | Iriel | I didn't get past B, really |
| 06:46.28 | Tain | I'm sure there's a reason you'd like to see that. But it wouldn't make sense overall. |
| 06:47.13 | Iriel | It's either based on something you want to have happen on your machine, in which case it would make sense to consider what API requirements would be needed to implemented it as an addon itself |
| 06:47.41 | Iriel | Or else it's some notion of a global idea for everyone, in which case, absolutely not, addons need to be able to see the whole event stream at all times. |
| 06:50.13 | s|loup | i see many people who did very depressive about addons where people can see what players cast or do by reading the combatchat |
| 06:51.22 | s|loup | so this part is in pvp very awkward as i think |
| 06:52.01 | Iriel | The problem isn't the addons |
| 06:52.16 | Iriel | The problem is the design decision to communicate that level of detail to the enemy in messaging |
| 06:52.21 | Iriel | And that belongs in the suggestions forum |
| 06:52.39 | s|loup | yes thats a true point |
| 06:52.45 | Iriel | It's not a 'UI' thing that slouken can change for us |
| 06:52.52 | s|loup | ok so forget my request ^^ |
| 06:53.40 | Iriel | I have to say I did find it a bit wierd that they included so much information in the logs |
| 06:54.19 | Tain | I always want to suggest things to slouken and try to find ways to justify to myself, "Well that could sort of be considered a UI issue..." |
| 06:54.28 | Tain | Before ultimately just accepting that it's not. |
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| 07:02.17 | wereHamster | end-user support sucks :( |
| 07:02.37 | [MoonWolf] | ~lart users |
| 07:02.54 | haste | :O |
| 07:02.58 | haste | that's just evil moonie |
| 07:03.21 | [MoonWolf] | I know. |
| 07:03.22 | Esamynn | ouch, that was a nasty one |
| 07:03.48 | Esamynn | ~lart [MoonWolf] |
| 07:03.56 | [MoonWolf] | Bad thing is, most end-users use Outolook express, AND THEY LIKE IT. |
| 07:03.56 | Esamynn | lol |
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| 07:04.38 | haste | even my father uses firefox and thunderbird :o |
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| 07:20.19 | Esamynn | night all |
| 07:20.29 | Iriel | goodnight |
| 07:20.40 | s|loup | n8 |
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| 07:25.57 | cmunn | What class levels the fastest solo? |
| 07:26.26 | haste | hunter? |
| 07:27.20 | s|loup | clearly a druid ^^ |
| 07:28.14 | Iriel | Sleep time for me |
| 07:28.16 | Iriel | Goodnight all |
| 07:29.27 | cmunn | night |
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| 08:22.23 | Wobin_ | hunter or rogue |
| 08:22.34 | Wobin_ | (at least my rogue) |
| 08:22.44 | Wobin_ | Engineering helps =) |
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| 08:59.20 | wereHamster | what do you think.. as a keybindings replacement.. http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/3416/shell4xx.png |
| 09:02.43 | krka|work | looks interesting |
| 09:03.10 | krka|work | is that FAIAP i see? :) |
| 09:03.17 | wereHamster | yeah :) |
| 09:04.03 | ckknight | interesting, wereHamster |
| 09:04.09 | wereHamster | I think this will be an awesome successor to actionBindings |
| 09:04.21 | wereHamster | .. much more flexible |
| 09:04.39 | krka|work | exactly what are you supposed to do? |
| 09:04.55 | krka|work | looks kinda similar to GRAB |
| 09:05.13 | wereHamster | GRAB? |
| 09:06.49 | Elviso | i know, i know! |
| 09:06.58 | Elviso | game-reactive action buttons! |
| 09:07.08 | Elviso | (or bars?) |
| 09:09.03 | Elviso | ~grab |
| 09:09.10 | wereHamster | mine is more an improved keybindings dialog, not a actionbar/actionbuttons replacement. |
| 09:16.54 | krka|work | ah... so what's the thing at the bottom? |
| 09:17.03 | krka|work | looked like you could assign code to a keybinding? |
| 09:17.49 | wereHamster | yes |
| 09:18.04 | wereHamster | bind key to scripts rather than actionbuttons |
| 09:18.54 | krka|work | good stuff |
| 09:25.03 | Elviso | ha, finally figured purl out |
| 09:25.08 | Elviso | ~grab |
| 09:25.09 | purl | well, grab is Game Reactive Action Buttons, coded by krka: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4524 |
| 09:25.09 | Industrial | purl: orly? |
| 09:25.24 | Industrial | purl, ORLY? |
| 09:25.27 | Industrial | :( |
| 09:25.35 | Elviso | lol |
| 09:25.39 | Elviso | ~orly |
| 09:25.48 | Elviso | purl sucks! |
| 09:25.50 | purl | For twenty bucks I'll do more than that |
| 09:25.50 | Industrial | purl: ORLY? is <reply>YARLY |
| 09:25.52 | purl | Industrial: okay |
| 09:25.55 | krka|work | i really should discourage downloads of GRAB until my next release |
| 09:26.05 | Industrial | purl: ORLY? |
| 09:26.07 | purl | YARLY |
| 09:26.09 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 09:26.16 | Elviso | "<purl> For twenty bucks I'll do more than that" needs to be the !topic, lol |
| 09:26.26 | Industrial | :p |
| 09:26.41 | Elviso | hrmm, there was another I was going to add, forgot now though |
| 09:27.21 | ckknight | Elviso, that's what purl says when you say it sucks |
| 09:27.24 | Elviso | should really make one for all the acronyms that are specific to this channel, more-or-less |
| 09:27.44 | Elviso | ckknight, ya I know...scroll up :) |
| 09:29.31 | ckknight | scroll up to what? |
| 09:29.42 | Elviso | <Elviso> purl sucks! |
| 09:29.55 | ckknight | purl, YARLY is <reply>NO WAI! |
| 09:29.57 | purl | ckknight: okay |
| 09:31.38 | Wobin_ | poor purl |
| 09:31.39 | Elviso | I like how I can remember my trivial CS password from 3 yrs ago, but can't rem my vital router pw... |
| 09:31.51 | Elviso | which I used under a month ago |
| 09:32.03 | Wobin_ | Elviso: That's cause I have the router pw on autoremember =P |
| 09:32.22 | Elviso | I usually do, but I clear my cache alot |
| 09:33.04 | Elviso | guess I'll have to reset it, just gotta find the screenshots I made for backups |
| 09:33.22 | Wobin_ | Dmanit |
| 09:33.30 | Wobin_ | Roboform is not supported by Opera |
| 09:34.00 | Wobin_ | Elviso: For a minute there I thought you said you made screenshots of the password =P |
| 09:34.07 | Elviso | heh |
| 09:34.14 | Wobin_ | "Oh I see, my password is... star...star...star....star..." |
| 09:34.33 | Elviso | rofl |
| 09:37.20 | Elviso | hrmmmm......I just guessed the pw, this is very odd |
| 09:37.41 | Elviso | pw was "admin".....I'm not that stupid |
| 09:38.09 | Elviso | and it didn't reset itself because this router model resets to a blank pw & username admin, not pw admin |
| 09:40.45 | Elviso | well, if anyone's bored, I completed the 1st big milestone in my new php project |
| 09:40.48 | Elviso | http://kenman.net/kklinks/ |
| 09:41.10 | Elviso | some are broken, but most are functional |
| 09:41.23 | Industrial | so what is it? |
| 09:41.23 | Industrial | :p |
| 09:47.07 | [MoonWolf] | a link database ? |
| 09:49.25 | Elviso | yeah, my personal link DB |
| 09:49.54 | Elviso | started it when I used to browse the net alot at work, and hated not having work favs at home, and vice-versa |
| 09:52.49 | Industrial | ah, so you can make subgroups and stuff? |
| 09:52.57 | Industrial | good idea |
| 09:53.02 | Industrial | hmmmm :p |
| 09:53.15 | [MoonWolf] | del.icio.us |
| 09:53.34 | Industrial | nonono... workk.. |
| 09:54.51 | zespri | is there any way to have boolean in lua by ref? i.e. so when a boolean var is stored in a table and we change the var the value in the table changes too? |
| 09:54.54 | Elviso | Industrial: yup. eventually I'll make it where it only shows the categories, and clicking them reveals all the links |
| 09:55.58 | Elviso | I have descriptions for most of them too, just haven't coded that into the script yet |
| 09:56.42 | Industrial | thats pretty easy using css Elviso |
| 09:57.05 | Elviso | yeah, going to use css/javascript/dhtml w/e you want to call it :) |
| 09:58.03 | Elviso | I have alot more experience w/css & js than I do w/php, so that'll be easy |
| 10:01.06 | Industrial | :) |
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| 10:11.15 | ckknight | zespri, no, not really |
| 10:16.28 | zespri | I already worked around with saving var names and then doing if type(param) == string then param = getglobal(param) end; param is boolean in my case and never string unless this is the var name so this works nicely |
| 10:16.41 | zespri | but thank you for responding ckknight |
| 10:17.47 | ckknight | another way would be to pass tables with a boolean value in it |
| 10:18.35 | zespri | tbl[1] doesn't read good |
| 10:18.42 | ckknight | I'd've done tbl[0] |
| 10:18.54 | ckknight | but how is it any worse than the global hack? |
| 10:19.14 | Kirkburn | Lol, someone replied to a post of mine telling me grass doesn't have leaves. *sigh* |
| 10:19.36 | zespri | i agree both ugly. it's a matter of personal taste which is less ugly |
| 10:19.36 | Kirkburn | I do wonder what he thinks leaves actually are ... |
| 10:19.49 | ckknight | which post? |
| 10:20.10 | Kirkburn | Oh, this thread http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-general-en&ThreadID=996958 |
| 10:20.19 | ckknight | yea, isn't grass just a shitload of long leaves? |
| 10:20.29 | Kirkburn | Just slightly |
| 10:20.31 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 10:20.34 | ckknight | long/thin |
| 10:20.47 | Kirkburn | Previous to that someone said the horde would only have 4 races |
| 10:21.33 | Kirkburn | Perhaps those people hadn't quite woken up :) |
| 10:24.23 | Kirkburn | Ah, people say such strange things ... "The reason why the alliance race hasnt been pronounced is that they want to it to be 100% working (without bugs and stuff), so it has to be a new kind of race, not one that already exists in-game" ... I bet they've been giving the E3 team elocution lessons on how to 'pronounce' the alliance race ;) |
| 10:25.18 | Wobin_ | DRAY-NIGH |
| 10:25.34 | Kirkburn | I suppose by 'and stuff' he probably means 'missing arms', or 'eyes on their feet' |
| 10:25.48 | Wobin_ | So they can see where they're walking |
| 10:25.52 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 10:33.18 | ckknight | Bliz already said they existed in game |
| 10:34.11 | Kirkburn | Jeez, I just had a look at the test realm forum. Some real dumbasses there, keep on asking 'why can't I test? It won't patch!' http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.aspx?ForumName=wow-realm-test |
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| 10:38.39 | Miravlix | Wish I knew why IRC on Windows is so horrible unstable. |
| 10:39.57 | Kirkburn | Isn't that akin to saying 'wish I knew why the Internet on Windows' is so horribly unstable? |
| 10:40.04 | Miravlix | No |
| 10:40.12 | Kirkburn | Windows has built-in IRC? |
| 10:40.16 | Miravlix | Because IRC on my Linux machine on the same connection is 100% stable |
| 10:40.23 | Kirkburn | Same prog? |
| 10:40.38 | Miravlix | x-chat Windows, X-chat Linux |
| 10:41.26 | Miravlix | I normally never disconnect at all, the internet has to break, server has to restart. |
| 10:41.36 | Kirkburn | odd, I don't normally get problems in X-chat |
| 10:41.54 | Kirkburn | What version you using? |
| 10:42.07 | Miravlix | 2.6.1-1 |
| 10:42.21 | Kirkburn | silverx? |
| 10:42.48 | Miravlix | http://www.silverex.org/download/ |
| 10:42.49 | Miravlix | Yeps |
| 10:42.49 | Kirkburn | I've got 2.6.2-1, you could try updating it? |
| 10:43.17 | Kirkburn | Well, for me IRC is working fine, but the internet won't work properly :P |
| 10:44.33 | ckknight | 2.6.2-1 works fine for me |
| 10:45.44 | Miravlix | Nothing in the changelog related to loosing connection |
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| 10:54.51 | Miravlix | I don't think it will help much upgrading x-chat, seems to be some case of overloading the TCP/IP system in Windows. |
| 10:55.02 | Kirkburn | Lots of channels open? |
| 10:55.10 | Kirkburn | Firewall issue? |
| 10:55.35 | Kirkburn | Hamster dies of exhaustion? |
| 10:55.48 | Kirkburn | s/dies/died/ |
| 10:55.51 | Industrial | *caffeinated* |
| 10:57.43 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, no, I'm still alive :) |
| 10:57.49 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 10:58.14 | Kirkburn | Miravlix, is cosmos down? |
| 10:58.29 | Miravlix | http://www.theregister.com/2006/05/08/wowcraft/ |
| 10:59.00 | Miravlix | I read both the forum and web site fine. |
| 10:59.31 | Industrial | i knew about it |
| 10:59.31 | Kirkburn | Can't get to the website atm |
| 10:59.44 | Kirkburn | (so did I, but I didn't want to say =) |
| 10:59.51 | Kirkburn | Worrying, though |
| 11:00.12 | Industrial | I'll never get it, so good for me if everyone else does |
| 11:00.23 | Industrial | (Yeah, I'm a bastard :D) |
| 11:00.24 | Kirkburn | Wonder who's behind it? |
| 11:00.43 | Kirkburn | (got the cosmos website) |
| 11:00.49 | Industrial | Kirkburn: its always someone with no life thats for sure |
| 11:00.56 | Industrial | maybe someone that sells gold? |
| 11:00.57 | Kirkburn | mmm |
| 11:01.26 | Kirkburn | Could even be one of the sites themselves |
| 11:04.29 | Miravlix | 3 channels, 2 networks, so naah nothing much going on in x-chat. |
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| 11:14.02 | wereHamster | krka, is FAIAP also available as an embedded library? |
| 11:15.53 | Industrial | krka: one bug with FAIAP i encountered is that it was indenting the code after a block comment when i removed the ']]' statement from it |
| 11:16.02 | Industrial | it did its job correct at looking at the changes |
| 11:16.09 | Industrial | but i had to reindent stuff >_> |
| 11:20.05 | krka|work | wereHamster, yes |
| 11:20.40 | krka|work | Industrial, you should just have to hit tab to indent it |
| 11:22.12 | Industrial | k\ |
| 11:22.29 | krka|work | not sure what the bug was |
| 11:26.11 | krka|work | what do you want FAIAP to do differently? |
| 11:27.48 | Industrial | no, never mind |
| 11:27.53 | Industrial | its just me i think.. |
| 11:29.41 | Kirkburn | I feel like I'm in an Eastern European country ... guy with an accordion is playing loudly outside (as a wandering beggar) |
| 11:30.34 | Industrial | where are you then |
| 11:30.41 | Kirkburn | italy |
| 11:31.43 | Industrial | :o |
| 11:32.33 | Kirkburn | There's quite a community of Roma people (gypsies) around here |
| 11:38.12 | Industrial | yeah |
| 11:39.18 | Industrial | The only thing I don't like is that they keep talking in their own whatever (hungarian?) language and are not very social :PP |
| 11:39.24 | dieck | darkmoon fairy in town? :) |
| 11:39.29 | Industrial | yeah :D |
| 11:39.41 | Industrial | is it up yet? |
| 11:40.24 | dieck | hm, should be? it builds up on the first weekend, and is available from monday on, i think? |
| 11:50.25 | wereHamster | .. looks good so far: http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5681/shell8wv.png .. I need to add some more functions to the environment where the scripts run in and clean up the code a bit |
| 11:50.58 | Industrial | nice wereHamster |
| 11:51.20 | Industrial | wereHamster: how about the default bindings? can i bind those too? |
| 11:51.35 | Kirkburn | Industrial, it's apparently called Romani, and there are many different dialects |
| 11:51.35 | wereHamster | default? |
| 11:51.55 | Industrial | yeah the blizz binding screen |
| 11:52.57 | wereHamster | I think it should be possiblt through RunBinding() |
| 11:54.35 | Industrial | would be cool to finally replace the binding screen :p |
| 11:54.58 | Industrial | making it hella powerful too, did i see binding chains? |
| 11:55.36 | Industrial | e.g. you press ctrl+q and then something else <-- 1 binding |
| 11:55.41 | Industrial | nice for making groups :P |
| 11:55.51 | Industrial | (of bound stuff) |
| 11:56.03 | krka|work | use loadstring wereHamster |
| 11:56.07 | wereHamster | I do |
| 11:56.17 | krka|work | oops, my bad |
| 11:56.21 | krka|work | i read it as RunMacro |
| 11:56.22 | wereHamster | did you think I use RunScript() ? |
| 11:56.25 | krka|work | or RunScript actually |
| 11:56.30 | krka|work | never mind me at all :) |
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| 11:56.45 | wereHamster | well.. I fought hard to get slouken to add loadstring().. :) |
| 11:56.49 | krka|work | heh |
| 11:56.55 | krka|work | what does compile do on failure? |
| 11:57.21 | wereHamster | it replaces the function with a dummy function |
| 11:57.24 | wereHamster | no warning yet |
| 11:57.37 | wereHamster | oh.. my bad.. it prints out a warning |
| 11:59.10 | wereHamster | morning Cairenn |
| 11:59.17 | Cairenn | morning wereHamster |
| 12:01.47 | krka|work | i implemented a show error + "goto line"-button for my code editor :) |
| 12:01.59 | krka|work | morning |
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| 12:04.04 | Industrial | krka|work: o_O |
| 12:04.53 | Wobin_ | What's the epic code colour? |
| 12:04.57 | Wobin_ | er |
| 12:04.59 | Wobin_ | epic colour code |
| 12:05.09 | Industrial | purple |
| 12:05.17 | Industrial | ow heh |
| 12:05.18 | Industrial | :P |
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| 12:25.29 | krka|work | what Industrial? |
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| 12:30.34 | Industrial | the song i was playing krka|work |
| 12:30.48 | Industrial | np = now playing |
| 12:31.16 | krka|work | <Industrial> krka|work: o_O |
| 12:31.41 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:31.52 | krka|work | why the o_O? |
| 12:32.20 | Industrial | because thats IDE feature |
| 12:32.23 | Industrial | inside a game |
| 12:32.24 | Industrial | .. |
| 12:32.38 | Wobin_ | mm |
| 12:32.39 | Wobin_ | metqa |
| 12:32.41 | Wobin_ | meta |
| 12:33.33 | Miravlix | Hmm, the world doesn't seem ready for 64. |
| 12:34.00 | Miravlix | Seems like I'm better off with a non 64 OS for now. |
| 12:35.21 | Miravlix | Unless Windows Vista has something for 64, it seems like my new computers 64 support wont be of any use until I convert it to a Linux Server in 5 years. |
| 12:37.06 | Miravlix | But my only choice in a Dual-core CPU, is with a 64 one? |
| 12:37.57 | wereHamster | all consumer-grade 64bit CPUs dan also run in x86 mode |
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| 12:40.18 | wereHamster | .. I can't inherit from fonts created by CreateFont(...) ? |
| 12:43.28 | krka|work | is there something wrong with an IDE inside a game? :) |
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| 13:12.31 | Miravlix | 4.437,49 € |
| 13:12.52 | Miravlix | I'm going to have to do without food for a month or two. |
| 13:15.30 | Miravlix | Thats just nutty expensive. |
| 13:16.00 | Miravlix | The ADM 64 FX-60 CPU is just to pricy |
| 13:16.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | Dual, Tri, and Quad-Core CPUs are the way of the future man. |
| 13:18.01 | Miravlix | Yeah, but AMD 64 FX-60 is double price from AMD 64 X2 |
| 13:19.59 | Miravlix | The machine I'm looking to buy is 2K € thats more manageable |
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| 13:22.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | My last home-built machine was $1000 USD, and that was using fairly recent parts. Is VAT adding to the price or something? |
| 13:23.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | With computers, you generally do not want THE-latest-parts-available, because they're going to be obsolete in 3-4 months anyway! |
| 13:23.58 | zenzelezz | and more importantly they'll cost only half the price in 3-4 months |
| 13:24.44 | zenzelezz | (bit exaggerated, but they will be much cheaper) |
| 13:24.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | Exactly. It's a vicious cycle. |
| 13:28.43 | krka|work | i never buy stuff that's new |
| 13:28.52 | krka|work | old and cheap for the win |
| 13:29.03 | krka|work | new technologies generally suck and are expensive anyway :P |
| 13:29.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | I just bought a $83 Dual 550MHz P3 Supermicro MB w/ CPUs included on Ebay recently. Runnin' fine as a server. |
| 13:32.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | If you really want to get a performance boost, take all your download stuff (torrents, etc.), your AIM, etc. and put it on a Linux fileserver. |
| 13:33.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | You even get a robust personal webserver to boot. |
| 13:33.35 | krka|work | my desktop is a linux fileserver :P |
| 13:33.51 | krka|work | still looking for a good torrent manager though |
| 13:34.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shhh, not all of us only play WoW |
| 13:34.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | I have a few stuff that needs Windows. |
| 13:35.02 | wereHamster | wine ftw |
| 13:35.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | I keep it hibernated until I need it. |
| 13:35.06 | krka|work | cedega ftw |
| 13:35.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, that Wine / Cedega can't handle. |
| 13:35.32 | Miravlix | I've been a Linux user for 10 years now |
| 13:35.33 | wereHamster | wine is free, transgaming wats $$$ |
| 13:35.40 | wereHamster | s/wats/wants/ |
| 13:35.41 | Miravlix | Doesn't change that I need a game machine |
| 13:36.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cedega == Free if you build it yourself from CVS, and there are some pre-built binaries out there |
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| 13:36.18 | Miravlix | And that the same game machine will become my Linux Server in 5 years when I upgrade to a new game machine |
| 13:36.45 | Miravlix | I just hope I someday can make a game machine with linux on it, so I don't need two monsters sucking energy running |
| 13:38.05 | Miravlix | I assume with the embedded OS solutions, thats not as far off |
| 13:38.19 | Miravlix | Might be my last true Windows machine I'm building. |
| 13:38.34 | Miravlix | Next one will be Linux and vmware Windows solution |
| 13:39.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | vmWare == bad for gaming machines |
| 13:39.47 | Miravlix | The technoligy is for servers still, running multiple OS'es on the same hardware. |
| 13:40.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | What would you need Windows for on a server? |
| 13:40.19 | Miravlix | Instead of having 30 computers, you have 5 that runs virtual OS'eses |
| 13:40.37 | Miravlix | We are going back to dumb terminals technoligy |
| 13:41.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, you could always run Linux and then inside Linux run vitualization software if you need it. |
| 13:41.08 | Miravlix | It cuts the hardware cost significantly for big companies. |
| 13:41.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | Oh, you're talking companies then need Windows Exchange or some BS? |
| 13:42.14 | Miravlix | Naah, I'm talking the fact that mainframe like technoligy is comming back |
| 13:42.38 | Miravlix | Just with Linux as main OS on them and running virtual machines |
| 13:43.59 | Miravlix | In a few years, I will be running Linux, Windows on the same machine, with no issues. |
| 13:45.06 | Miravlix | When MS catch up it might even be a MS OS thats the main and linux thats run as a virtual machine. |
| 13:45.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | As much as I hate Windows, it still currently makes sense as a gamer to have a Windows workstation and a Linux workstation/server. I can't think of a compelling reason to dual-boot on this Windows machine for GAMING. |
| 13:46.14 | Miravlix | It wont be dual boot. |
| 13:46.27 | Miravlix | Mainframes is multiple computers in one shell |
| 13:46.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | I'm not talking about future, I'm talking about right now ;) |
| 13:46.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/future/the future/. |
| 13:46.52 | Miravlix | Booting a computer is just ugh impractical. |
| 13:47.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well right now, it's impractical to use virtualization software on a gaming machine. But I agree, there may come a time when you can do it without a performance hit. |
| 13:48.22 | krka|work | i am a gamer and i successfully play wow, warcraft 3 and to a lesser extent cs and starcraft |
| 13:48.48 | Miravlix | No one says you can't run them, but there is a performance issue. |
| 13:49.45 | Miravlix | It will be many years off before we get out of this evil cycle of hardware upgrades. |
| 13:49.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | But a gaming machine is suppose to have excellent gaming hardware -- it's impractical to run virtualization software right now on a machine you spent $1000 on ;) |
| 13:50.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | krka|work: No one's debating there are decent games that run decently on Wine/Cedega, but for all gamers, it's impractical. |
| 13:50.59 | Miravlix | Decent isn't good enough |
| 13:51.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | WoW runs pretty well on Cedega I hear, you can even get a performance boost. |
| 13:51.26 | Miravlix | As long as I can run things in a way that I gain in performance, there is a reason to run things in the optimal possible way. |
| 13:51.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | But then again, you may be able to get a performance boost with tweaking XP too. |
| 13:52.00 | Miravlix | Except you can't patch |
| 13:52.00 | krka|work | i suspect wow runs even better in linux |
| 13:53.50 | krka|work | for my computer, wow definitely plays better in linux |
| 13:54.09 | krka|work | just imagine if blizz would make a proper linux build |
| 13:54.20 | krka|work | slouken could port it :P |
| 13:54.42 | Miravlix | Yeah, thats the funny part, native Linux software runs circles around native Windows software. |
| 13:55.27 | Miravlix | There is a better way, but we can't get people to use it. |
| 13:56.00 | [MoonWolf] | the moment more then 60% of the games out there start supporting linux even partially you will see a major shift. |
| 13:56.42 | [MoonWolf] | and I can vouch for the cedega thing |
| 13:56.52 | wereHamster | krka|work, there was a linux port back in the beta days |
| 13:57.00 | [MoonWolf] | running wow in cedega in opgengl has about 10 more fps for me then directx under windows. |
| 13:57.07 | Miravlix | The Office world, could convert away from Windows today, it's just the multimedia/games area that we need to take over. |
| 13:57.13 | krka|work | their build process probably still produces valid linux clients :( |
| 13:57.18 | krka|work | they just won't give it to us |
| 13:57.20 | krka|work | the bastards |
| 13:57.27 | wereHamster | you think? |
| 13:57.44 | Miravlix | Since they have a MacOSX version, the linux version isn't that far off. |
| 13:58.58 | wereHamster | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4946 :) |
| 14:01.11 | Miravlix | But don't expect the linux version to be running all that well, they definately haven't invested much money in it and it's a 3rd graphics solution they have to implement |
| 14:01.44 | [MoonWolf] | actually not really, they have the opengl working fine in windows, linux support opgengl fully. |
| 14:01.55 | Miravlix | If MacOSX had used X-Windows we would prolly see a Linux version |
| 14:02.17 | wereHamster | hand up who would help beta-testing the linux client,, |
| 14:02.34 | [MoonWolf] | not really, not using linux at the moment. |
| 14:02.45 | wereHamster | how do I make a 'hands up' smiley? |
| 14:02.49 | wereHamster | :-P |
| 14:03.04 | Miravlix | Problem is WoW isn't the only game I play |
| 14:03.36 | Miravlix | Until the industry in general switch, then I'm not going to be switching. |
| 14:03.55 | wereHamster | someone's gotta start.. |
| 14:03.57 | Miravlix | I can't afford two monster computers. |
| 14:04.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | I could probably withstand dual-booting my gaming computer |
| 14:05.29 | Miravlix | Well, my Linux Servers has always been multimedia underpowered |
| 14:05.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | But it would require reinstalling Windows XP, which would be annoying. |
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| 14:05.59 | Miravlix | When I convert this game machine to the new Linux Server, with it's Nvidia 5800, I do get a significant boost |
| 14:09.16 | Miravlix | Hmm, if suspend to disk works, then maybe I could dual-boot. |
| 14:10.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | I use ASUS MBs, they should be pretty reliable. |
| 14:10.30 | Beladona | whatd I miss? |
| 14:10.54 | Miravlix | This machine is an Asus, next one is a DFI Lanparty UT though |
| 14:11.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | We're just talking about the feesibility of dual-booting Windows/Linux on a gaming machine. |
| 14:12.12 | Miravlix | With VNC and the clipboard access, I actually managed to just run WoW and VNC |
| 14:12.27 | Miravlix | So it was less of an issue to reboot the machine. |
| 14:13.16 | Miravlix | But right now I have 15-20 applications running, I would all have to re-open. |
| 14:15.12 | Miravlix | Firefox browses faster under X-windows even VNC'ed over to the Windows machine. I don't understand why browsing is so slow on Windows, when my windows machines is way more powerfull than my Linux machines. |
| 14:16.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | Windows XP loads a lot of crap and does a lot of crap that makes sure everyone's happy, where as you must configure a Linux distro so YOU are happy. |
| 14:17.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Windows XP can be tweaked post-install, Linux distros are generally setup to be tweaked during install. |
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| 14:21.26 | s|loup | wowinterface is now a part of ige? |
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| 14:22.57 | wereHamster | omg.. . http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-en&t=43140 |
| 14:27.50 | Industrial | hilarious |
| 14:28.02 | Industrial | i from kazachstan i play wit u lol |
| 14:28.08 | Industrial | lol u giv me 1g pls |
| 14:29.00 | ckknight | don't you be dissing Kazakhstan |
| 14:30.37 | Industrial | <random-country-with-kids-that-probably-rape-the-english-language /> |
| 14:32.18 | Industrial | haha warlock: crawling in my roooobes, these wounds require elixyrrr! |
| 14:32.22 | Industrial | (vgcats anyone) |
| 14:35.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | Heh, latest has a small parody of KH2 for those that haven't played it. |
| 14:40.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | Oh the last THREE comics have been about KH2 I see. I guess the author has become a fan ;) |
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| 15:01.45 | wereHamster | how do I delete an addon from WoWI? or how do I change its category? |
| 15:03.21 | krka|work | i need help finding a good font to use for my addon |
| 15:03.27 | krka|work | a small and clear one preferably |
| 15:03.35 | wereHamster | ClearFont ;) |
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| 15:16.00 | krka|work | well, i want my addon to be usable for non-clearfont users too |
| 15:16.21 | krka|work | also, can we do outlined fonts from lua? |
| 15:16.24 | krka|work | i can't find it anywhere |
| 15:17.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | Blah blah blah, why is this so slow. Need to tweak my VNC settings some more. |
| 15:18.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | PuTTY works better since I'm using screen anyway. |
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| 15:31.40 | ckknight | krka, yes |
| 15:31.51 | ckknight | :SetFont(font, size, "OUTLINE") |
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| 15:34.28 | krka|work | omg omg omg, anyone checked out torrentflux? |
| 15:34.36 | krka|work | looks totally sweet |
| 15:36.01 | [MoonWolf] | a PHP torrent client |
| 15:36.06 | [MoonWolf] | how... practical |
| 15:36.54 | ckknight | currently I have to VNC into my linux box and use Azureus |
| 15:36.57 | ckknight | this could be handy... |
| 15:40.31 | krka|work | yes, i am using azureus + the web thingy atm |
| 15:40.35 | krka|work | but azureus eats resources |
| 15:40.46 | krka|work | this is what i've always been looking for |
| 15:40.49 | krka|work | must be pretty new |
| 15:41.05 | Tain | uTorrent rules them all! Well, on Windows. |
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| 15:44.20 | Kirkburn | Helloo all |
| 15:44.45 | Kirkburn | krka|work, either "", "OUTLINE" or "THICKOUTLINE" |
| 15:45.21 | Kirkburn | (last one works best on big fonts, obviously, even better with a shadow, looks like raised text) |
| 15:46.21 | Kirkburn | And I'd say the Calibri font is a good choice, but s'up to you :) I just hate Verdana and Arial with a passion |
| 15:46.34 | Kirkburn | Tahoma is good at small res |
| 15:47.01 | krka|work | thanks |
| 15:47.20 | krka|work | well, can i write Fonts\Calibri.TTF or something? |
| 15:47.21 | Kirkburn | no probs :P |
| 15:47.25 | krka|work | something tells me i can't |
| 15:47.48 | Kirkburn | You don't want to include a font in the addon? |
| 15:47.59 | krka|work | no |
| 15:48.02 | Kirkburn | If not, you've got a choice of arial and some other weird ones |
| 15:48.23 | Kirkburn | ArialN.ttf I think is best then ... |
| 15:48.42 | Kirkburn | I'll look up the exact stuff |
| 15:49.00 | krka|work | thanks :9 |
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| 15:49.57 | Kirkburn | Example: GameFontNormal:SetFont("Fonts\\ARIALN.ttf", 13); |
| 15:50.01 | Kirkburn | That should work |
| 15:50.23 | krka|work | cool |
| 15:50.39 | Kirkburn | If you look at the ClearFont lua you can check stuff on there :) |
| 15:52.03 | krka|work | yeah |
| 15:52.07 | krka|work | i'll do that :) |
| 15:52.40 | Kirkburn | There are three other fonts included in WoW, the main ui one, and two others used in random places (quest book mainly I think) |
| 15:52.55 | krka|work | i won't be using that one :P |
| 15:53.01 | Kirkburn | But none look great at low res. Well anyway, I'll leave you to it :P |
| 15:53.11 | krka|work | and if i use Fonts\\Arialn.ttf it will automatically use clearfont if available? |
| 15:53.27 | Kirkburn | If they've done 'step two' of the install thingy, yeah |
| 15:54.46 | krka|work | cool |
| 15:56.45 | Kirkburn | :) |
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| 16:11.25 | Tem | morning bitches |
| 16:12.38 | cmunn | Morning, pimp-daddy Tem |
| 16:13.41 | Wobble | Just watched V for Vendetta |
| 16:13.49 | cmunn | What did you think? |
| 16:13.52 | cmunn | I loved it. |
| 16:13.55 | Wobin_ | I quite liked it |
| 16:14.16 | Wobin_ | Drama, explosions, nice visuals... |
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| 16:14.43 | Tem | mmm explosions |
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| 16:15.01 | cmunn | Is there an easy way to find out what function called my current function |
| 16:15.25 | Adrine | cmunn, there is a way... |
| 16:15.27 | cmunn | I've got a function calling another with nil when it should be an int, but I have no idea who's calling it wrong :( |
| 16:15.28 | Tem | debugstack |
| 16:15.32 | Adrine | ...let me see if I can remember what it...there it is. |
| 16:15.40 | Adrine | And morning, folks |
| 16:15.44 | Tem | morning Adrine |
| 16:15.45 | Adrine | Happy E3 week. :D |
| 16:15.45 | cmunn | how do I use said debugstack |
| 16:15.50 | cmunn | morning Adrine |
| 16:15.51 | Tem | it returns a string |
| 16:16.03 | Tem | it has some parameters but I don't remember |
| 16:16.09 | Tem | just print it's output |
| 16:16.15 | Tem | should be good enough |
| 16:17.47 | cmunn | k |
| 16:19.48 | cmunn | awesome |
| 16:19.54 | cmunn | That helps wonders |
| 16:21.59 | Wobin_ | woot |
| 16:22.09 | Wobin_ | debugstack takes args to what level to go back yeah? |
| 16:31.24 | ckknight | right |
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| 16:37.06 | Kirkburn | This is quite a cool idea ... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8188739 |
| 16:44.04 | Tain | Is there a quick summary? Long-winded combined with being on the General forum lost me within seconds. |
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| 16:47.11 | Cide | it's well written, so don't think about the general forum part :) |
| 16:48.22 | Kirkburn | It would need some tweaks, but as an idea, it's really well done |
| 16:49.21 | Kirkburn | A raid in which everyone can take part, with numbers limited (since alliance and horde would be split) |
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| 17:04.43 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 17:04.48 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 17:05.06 | Shouryuu | Die... |
| 17:05.29 | Kirkburn | That's a bit mean! |
| 17:05.34 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 17:05.40 | Shouryuu | sorry |
| 17:05.46 | Shouryuu | I ment: you won't get one |
| 17:06.03 | Kirkburn | Oh right ... *that's* what you meant |
| 17:06.09 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 17:06.18 | Shouryuu | I'm not a violent person you know =( |
| 17:06.24 | Kirkburn | Burn in a fire |
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| 17:06.30 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 17:06.37 | Kirkburn | I meant: I believe you :) |
| 17:06.40 | Shouryuu | hehe |
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| 17:11.07 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
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| 17:17.50 | Iriel | Morning |
| 17:17.55 | Shouryuu | morning |
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| 17:24.54 | Beladona | heya Iriel |
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| 18:01.30 | cmunn | Iriel, What mods do you author? |
| 18:01.41 | Kirov | lol |
| 18:01.57 | cmunn | I'm still getting a feel for whom is whom around here |
| 18:01.58 | Kirov | Iriel doesn't author mods, he brings them forth from the void. |
| 18:02.06 | cmunn | Ahh |
| 18:02.17 | Tem | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=65&dp=0&sh=full&so=desc&sb=lastupdate |
| 18:02.18 | Kirov | Unleashing them on an unwitting community to do his bidding. |
| 18:02.21 | Adrine | And lo, Iriel took dust, and formed it in the shape of a mod, and breathed life into its nostrils. |
| 18:02.51 | Adrine | And then Iriel said "It is not good for mods to be alone", and created a boatload of useful libraries and utilites to be a helper for the mod. |
| 18:03.34 | cmunn | Ahh |
| 18:03.46 | cmunn | So namely? |
| 18:04.03 | Adrine | StatRings is probably be best-known one outside of the dev community |
| 18:04.21 | Kirov | Though, Iriel's version is the least known version. |
| 18:04.27 | Corrodias | statrings? that must have been made within the last couple of months, because i've not heard of it :( |
| 18:04.34 | Adrine | But it's the foundation for the rest of 'em :) |
| 18:04.39 | cmunn | Yea... I haven't heard of it. |
| 18:04.44 | Kirov | People are more familiar with Nerfed Hud, which is just StatRings with some art |
| 18:04.47 | Tem | See the post I made |
| 18:05.02 | Tem | Iriels stuff: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=65&dp=0&sh=full&so=desc&sb=lastupdate |
| 18:05.09 | Beladona | blizz has used some of Iriel's code in the base ui |
| 18:05.26 | Corrodias | redrange, i think i used that |
| 18:05.31 | Beladona | in fact I believe his name is still in the comments in a file |
| 18:05.35 | Adrine | haha, nice |
| 18:05.41 | Miravlix | Has Iriel actually coded any end user addons? |
| 18:05.48 | Adrine | Well, devtools and the like |
| 18:05.50 | Tem | ... |
| 18:05.52 | Tem | ASDLF:KASDF |
| 18:05.55 | Corrodias | yes, he has. look at the link that Tem JUST posted. |
| 18:05.56 | Adrine | Tem: ? |
| 18:05.58 | Tem | read my damned posts |
| 18:05.58 | Kirov | Tem - sorry, did you say something? |
| 18:06.00 | Kirov | lol |
| 18:06.01 | Beladona | sure |
| 18:06.01 | Adrine | Heh. |
| 18:06.06 | Kirov | Tem is posting a link to all of Iriel's mods |
| 18:06.14 | Tem | I've posted it *twice* |
| 18:06.26 | cmunn | Cide's code makes my head spin. |
| 18:06.28 | Beladona | featured artist section |
| 18:06.51 | Kirov | cmunn - it makes his head spin too |
| 18:07.15 | Cide | it makes everyone's but my head spin |
| 18:07.17 | Kirov | Think 2 years of coding somewhat randomly changing things as time permits and features are added, changed. |
| 18:08.00 | Kirov | I've been smacking my head against CTRA for almost a year now and I still don't get most of it. heh |
| 18:08.04 | Miravlix | Oh, Irieal has done lots of little projects I've never heard of. |
| 18:08.15 | Adrine | CTRA isn't that bad to parse |
| 18:08.19 | Adrine | It's just a lot of code. |
| 18:08.20 | Kirov | I go in, make my changes, and get out before I loose myself. |
| 18:08.25 | Adrine | For the most part, I think it's quite well factored. |
| 18:08.30 | Beladona | Iriel tends to make mods that other people use as reference / feature ideas |
| 18:08.53 | Kirov | I tend to make mods people ignore. |
| 18:09.00 | Kirov | :) |
| 18:09.10 | Kirov | Except like 5 people who are rabid about it. |
| 18:09.55 | Kirov | ah! |
| 18:10.06 | Kirov | Iriel wrote the line drawing code for the taxi frame |
| 18:10.14 | Kirov | I was wondering about that, but I hadn't looked at it |
| 18:10.19 | cmunn | When I work on CTRA, It feels like I've just had the most amazing sex I've ever experienced, yet with the ugliest broad I've seen in my entire life. My mind is torn in the oxymoron |
| 18:10.19 | Adrine | Hah, nice. I didn't know that. |
| 18:10.34 | cmunn | Also, I think I understand some Hebrew now... somehow... |
| 18:10.59 | Kirov | lol |
| 18:11.45 | Beladona | you guys mind beta testing something for me? |
| 18:11.50 | Beladona | its wdn site related |
| 18:12.18 | Kirov | sure |
| 18:13.22 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code.php?vd=11025302&lnk=FrameXML/Fonts.xml |
| 18:13.38 | kremonte | oooo |
| 18:13.40 | kremonte | syntaxy |
| 18:13.41 | Cide | Kirov: what for? :P |
| 18:13.51 | Cide | colors? what is this? |
| 18:13.56 | Cide | xml + colors? that's new to me! |
| 18:14.01 | kremonte | not very syntaxy |
| 18:14.02 | Beladona | ehh? |
| 18:14.05 | kremonte | but syntaxy nonetheless |
| 18:14.07 | Cide | haha |
| 18:14.10 | Beladona | yeah its just color coded output |
| 18:14.13 | Cide | I code XML in wordpad for some reason |
| 18:14.19 | kremonte | o_O |
| 18:14.25 | Kirov | Cide - just messing with cmunn. =) |
| 18:14.27 | kremonte | can you make me a GUI |
| 18:14.28 | kremonte | :3 |
| 18:14.30 | Beladona | here is another one |
| 18:14.38 | Adrine | Ultraedit for me |
| 18:14.38 | Beladona | I need you to tell me how quick it loads |
| 18:14.41 | Beladona | it might take a minute |
| 18:14.43 | Cide | in wordpad? probably :P |
| 18:14.46 | Adrine | It's really quite painless, as xml goes. |
| 18:14.46 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code.php?vd=11025302&lnk=FrameXML/GlobalStrings.lua |
| 18:14.52 | kremonte | what's $vd? |
| 18:15.02 | Beladona | where do you see that |
| 18:15.05 | Cide | yep, xml just looks scary at first, it really isn't hard |
| 18:15.11 | kremonte | in the title |
| 18:15.15 | kremonte | i know Cide |
| 18:15.25 | kremonte | but it's so "ugh" to write |
| 18:15.26 | Cide | Beladona: first one was much faster |
| 18:15.27 | Miravlix | The first one was instant |
| 18:15.33 | Cide | aye, it takes quite a while |
| 18:15.38 | Beladona | yeah Globalstrings.lua is a large file |
| 18:15.39 | Miravlix | The second one timesout |
| 18:15.44 | Beladona | largest in the ui I believe |
| 18:15.45 | Miravlix | Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/wowinter/public_html/wdn/theme/geshi/geshi.php on line 2029 |
| 18:15.53 | Cide | same for me, but line 1578 |
| 18:15.54 | Beladona | damn |
| 18:16.07 | Beladona | I can raise the limit |
| 18:16.11 | Miravlix | It's a loop, so it will end at random lines |
| 18:16.14 | Adrine | Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/wowinter/public_html/wdn/theme/geshi/geshi.php on line 2029 |
| 18:16.20 | Wobin_ | same error |
| 18:16.33 | Corrodias | ouch, 30 seconds... |
| 18:16.34 | kremonte | php.ini GOGOGOGO |
| 18:16.36 | Cide | hehe, looking at it |
| 18:16.36 | Adrine | Use set_time_limit(5) in the loop or something like that. |
| 18:16.38 | Adrine | Just in the script |
| 18:16.39 | Wobin_ | 2037 =) |
| 18:16.43 | Adrine | You don't need to modify php.ini |
| 18:16.46 | Wobin_ | hah beat you all =P |
| 18:16.47 | Cide | ctra.lua is 200 lines longer |
| 18:16.54 | Cide | ouch :( |
| 18:16.57 | kremonte | Cide: cooooooooooode |
| 18:17.00 | Beladona | side note -- would you prefer line numbers? |
| 18:17.02 | Corrodias | you know, Auctioneer takes like over ten minutes to do its scanning, but that thing times out in 30 seconds? what's up with that? |
| 18:17.05 | kremonte | yes Beladona |
| 18:17.05 | Wobin_ | you could possibly chunk the output? |
| 18:17.06 | kremonte | very. |
| 18:17.10 | Cide | line numbers would be nice |
| 18:17.14 | kremonte | maybe in a frame or something though? |
| 18:17.15 | Adrine | Chunking isn't the problem |
| 18:17.16 | kremonte | so you can copy/paste |
| 18:17.17 | Kirov | Beladona - mmm... line numbers |
| 18:17.22 | Adrine | Once you start outputting stuff, PHP starts counting time |
| 18:17.24 | Beladona | only issue is you can't copy paste with the line nubmers |
| 18:17.29 | Beladona | well, you can |
| 18:17.30 | Cide | how about |
| 18:17.34 | Beladona | but you get line numbers too |
| 18:17.34 | Cide | a javascript to show/hide? |
| 18:17.37 | Adrine | Beladona: You could structure it such that you could |
| 18:17.38 | Cide | but that would probably be slow |
| 18:17.39 | kremonte | yeah Beladona. frames? ._. |
| 18:17.42 | Beladona | may do that later |
| 18:17.49 | Kirov | or tables |
| 18:17.49 | kremonte | wouldn't be too complicated imo |
| 18:17.50 | Adrine | Table or clever divving would do it |
| 18:17.52 | Cide | perhaps a <div> would work |
| 18:18.03 | Beladona | div might work |
| 18:18.09 | Miravlix | Beladona: How does pastebin deal with coloruing? |
| 18:18.12 | Cide | FF would probably copy the line numbers with a table |
| 18:18.15 | Beladona | same way I do |
| 18:18.19 | Beladona | php script |
| 18:18.22 | Kirov | If you do line numbers, can you stick a # in front of them so they're searchable? |
| 18:18.36 | Beladona | probably |
| 18:18.51 | Miravlix | Is it the same speed? |
| 18:19.12 | Beladona | its not the coloring that is the issue |
| 18:19.14 | kremonte | i'd imagine the colouring time wouldn't be too high |
| 18:19.21 | kremonte | yeah you're unzipping the files, aren't you? |
| 18:19.25 | Beladona | my script dives into a zip file, and pull the specific file you are requesting |
| 18:19.33 | Beladona | then outputs it to the screen |
| 18:19.36 | kremonte | is that what $_GET[vd] is? |
| 18:19.41 | kremonte | in the url? |
| 18:19.46 | kremonte | i got a zip error when i removed it |
| 18:19.49 | Beladona | vd is the version directory, so it knows where the zip is on the host |
| 18:19.54 | kremonte | ahh |
| 18:19.55 | kremonte | i see |
| 18:20.12 | Beladona | its the same zip you are downloading when you click a download link on my page |
| 18:20.34 | Beladona | anyway, thats where the slowdown is -- it has to buffer the output before printing it |
| 18:20.37 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/divtest.php |
| 18:20.39 | kremonte | well then, er |
| 18:20.41 | Adrine | That seems to work fine. |
| 18:20.45 | kremonte | isn't that bandwidth intensive? |
| 18:20.51 | Beladona | not too bad no |
| 18:20.59 | Miravlix | Hmm |
| 18:21.04 | kremonte | Adrine: nice ;p |
| 18:21.06 | Miravlix | You need to look at your code. |
| 18:21.11 | Beladona | the alternative is to store every single versions files in a directory, which would take tons of space on the host |
| 18:21.16 | Miravlix | Pastebin.com does it in 5-10 seconds |
| 18:21.22 | Miravlix | For GlobalStrings.lua |
| 18:21.25 | kremonte | Miravlix: you read this at all? |
| 18:21.28 | kremonte | it's not the coloring |
| 18:21.31 | Adrine | You could just pipe it to one of the existing syntax highlighters |
| 18:21.34 | kremonte | it's grabbing the file from a zip |
| 18:21.36 | Beladona | Mira, is isn't grabbing from a zip file |
| 18:21.39 | Adrine | The Trac wiki software does that |
| 18:21.49 | Cide | Adrine: yep, works fine with line numbers |
| 18:22.01 | Beladona | I am using the same syntax highlighter that pastebin is |
| 18:22.09 | Adrine | Aha |
| 18:22.14 | Adrine | There is a problem if lines wrap, though |
| 18:22.23 | Adrine | Not sure how to address that though. |
| 18:22.27 | Beladona | oh yeah |
| 18:22.31 | Beladona | thats why I didn't do divs |
| 18:22.33 | Beladona | I remember |
| 18:22.42 | Beladona | the wrapping issue |
| 18:22.45 | Adrine | Give me a moment and I might have a solution for you. ;) |
| 18:23.02 | Beladona | it relies on <pre> |
| 18:23.13 | haste | Adrine: making a pastebin or something? |
| 18:23.22 | haste | 'cause number list is your friend |
| 18:23.23 | Beladona | which is extremely difficult to force wrapping or non-wrapping |
| 18:23.29 | Adrine | haste: Nah, just trying to help Beladona out :) |
| 18:23.38 | Adrine | Number list. Duuuuuuuuuuuuh. |
| 18:23.42 | Adrine | Duh duh duh. |
| 18:24.21 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/divtest.php |
| 18:24.29 | Adrine | I can't believe I didn't think of that. Thanks, Haste. :) |
| 18:24.40 | kremonte | oh wow |
| 18:24.43 | kremonte | nice |
| 18:24.47 | haste | hehe |
| 18:24.48 | Cide | what about wrapping? |
| 18:24.52 | Adrine | Works with wrapping |
| 18:24.53 | Adrine | Try it. |
| 18:24.56 | Cide | too lazy! |
| 18:24.59 | kremonte | yea resize browser |
| 18:25.05 | Cide | ok, yeah, that's nice |
| 18:25.27 | Cide | overcomplicating things = win |
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| 18:26.04 | Adrine | This clearly indicates that I need more coffee. |
| 18:26.44 | haste | hehe |
| 18:27.13 | haste | I see a lot of people making tables and spammings divs for exactly that problem :p |
| 18:27.24 | Adrine | >_< |
| 18:27.34 | Miravlix | Hmm, not sure why unzipping a file would add 20-25 seconds to the process time |
| 18:29.18 | Beladona | Adrine -- I am trying to force no-wrap tho |
| 18:29.30 | Adrine | You mean so it scrolls the page? |
| 18:29.31 | Beladona | thats the part that was hard |
| 18:29.35 | Beladona | yup |
| 18:29.50 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code.php?vd=11025302&lnk=FrameXML/Fonts.xml&nums=yes |
| 18:30.16 | Adrine | Just replace space with |
| 18:30.25 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/divtest.php |
| 18:30.25 | Adrine | Tada. |
| 18:30.49 | Beladona | ugh, which means I have to go through an detect every space and replace it |
| 18:31.00 | Beladona | mine works though |
| 18:31.33 | Beladona | ahh, see, yours has the same copy/paste issue |
| 18:31.40 | Adrine | preg_replace("/\s+/", " ", $string); |
| 18:31.47 | Beladona | it pastes # in front of every line |
| 18:31.53 | Beladona | yeah I know how |
| 18:31.58 | Adrine | Only if you start copying from the wrong place |
| 18:32.04 | Adrine | Or, wiat. |
| 18:32.09 | Beladona | .... |
| 18:32.11 | Adrine | Hm, right. |
| 18:32.17 | Adrine | There's a way around that. |
| 18:32.22 | Adrine | I just forget what it is! :) |
| 18:32.41 | Beladona | its no biggy, I can just give the user the option to have line numbers or not |
| 18:32.46 | Beladona | which I did |
| 18:32.57 | Adrine | Fair enough :) |
| 18:33.07 | Miravlix | Pastebin adds a "download" link |
| 18:33.14 | Beladona | I just don't like how long it takes to load GlobalStrings.lua |
| 18:33.18 | Beladona | =( |
| 18:35.46 | Beladona | anyone interested in the syntax highlighter -- http://qbnz.com/highlighter/geshi-doc.html |
| 18:35.53 | Beladona | its pretty nice |
| 18:36.04 | Miravlix | New time period feature on pastebin. |
| 18:37.21 | Beladona | I wonder how difficult it would be for me to store the code in a database |
| 18:37.28 | Kirov | Miravlix - curious |
| 18:37.30 | Beladona | hmm... |
| 18:38.03 | cmunn | Yay! Fixed my bug! |
| 18:38.07 | Miravlix | Setup a caching proxy as front end to the project? |
| 18:38.29 | Kirov | Mirvalix - is that "follow ups" and "original posts" part new too? |
| 18:38.49 | Miravlix | Naah. 0.5 just give us day, month, forever |
| 18:39.56 | Miravlix | Heh |
| 18:40.04 | Miravlix | GlobalStrings.lua is to big for pastebin |
| 18:40.15 | Beladona | GlobalStrings.lua is too big period |
| 18:40.18 | Beladona | lol |
| 18:40.23 | Miravlix | It breaks at line 1357 |
| 18:40.42 | Miravlix | GlobalStrins.lua is 5208 lines |
| 18:41.44 | Miravlix | Hmm, the break limit is on bytes it's just a little into line 1357 it breaks. |
| 18:42.31 | Miravlix | Maybe you have to do the same Beladona, break on a byte limit? |
| 18:42.35 | Beladona | the syntax highlighter I am using supports diff highlighting, so I may be able to do dynamic compares within the next few months |
| 18:43.33 | cmunn | Cide: You around? |
| 18:43.37 | Cide | ya |
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| 18:44.08 | cmunn | CTRA overrides a few FCF functions (FCF_Tab_OnClick, etc) at it's beginning. What are those for? |
| 18:44.29 | Miravlix | 291 KB for GlobalStrings.lua it isn't all that big |
| 18:44.29 | Cide | ctra implements a "chat event" |
| 18:44.53 | Cide | where you can change what chat window the ctra messages go to like for other chat messages |
| 18:44.58 | Kirov | cmunn - "<CTRaid> This raid's channel has been changed to ..." |
| 18:45.54 | Miravlix | Beladona: What about ChatFrame.lua? |
| 18:46.10 | Miravlix | 70K file |
| 18:46.52 | cmunn | So, FCF is used by the chat frame? |
| 18:47.13 | Cide | yes |
| 18:47.44 | cmunn | Are the FCF functions part of Blizzard's UI? |
| 18:47.58 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code.php?vd=11025302&lnk=FrameXML/ChatFrame.lua&nums=yes |
| 18:48.01 | Beladona | loads fine for me |
| 18:48.14 | Miravlix | A quick and dirty survey of lua file size in a few of my addons and you have 50-100K files |
| 18:48.22 | Cide | yes, cmunn |
| 18:48.56 | cmunn | Ahhh, Thanks! |
| 18:49.10 | Miravlix | Your doing something to make the line number be off screen |
| 18:49.21 | Miravlix | I can't scroll it on screen |
| 18:49.23 | Adrine | Iriel, I think being interviewed by you would be terrifying. :P |
| 18:49.29 | Kirov | Cide - you don't hook party frame functions at all any more, right? |
| 18:49.36 | Cide | no |
| 18:50.06 | Cide | as in, correct :) |
| 18:50.14 | Beladona | looks fine on my screen |
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| 18:50.49 | Beladona | what are you using to view it Miravlix? |
| 18:50.54 | Miravlix | Firefox |
| 18:51.01 | Miravlix | It's line x418 |
| 18:51.04 | Beladona | works the same in Firefox and IE |
| 18:51.10 | Miravlix | It's precisely as wide as the screen |
| 18:51.12 | Iriel | Adrine : Well, I tend to be interviewing for 'technical fit' and not 'technical ability' so it's likely not as bad as it coul dbe |
| 18:51.20 | Adrine | Fair enough ;) |
| 18:51.36 | Miravlix | So it gets a scrollbar without any scrollspace in it |
| 18:51.49 | Beladona | can you screenshot it? |
| 18:51.58 | Kirov | not having an issue with firefox here |
| 18:52.18 | Beladona | Miravlix: whats your screen rez, os? |
| 18:52.35 | Iriel | As for my addons (earlier discussion) http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/ has all of my stuff, and yes, I've coded end-user addons (RedRange, DevTools, AfterCast, NameCycle, Bookworm, ArcadiaLogos, PocketHelper, etc) |
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| 18:53.33 | Kirov | pff, Iriel that's so like last hour, get with the current discussion! |
| 18:54.20 | Iriel | As I said, I was away |
| 18:55.29 | Kirov | One thing I never understood is with the number of people who have asked about using AfterCast like features in their macros I'm suprised it doesn't have more downloads. |
| 18:55.41 | Miravlix | Beladona: I made a 151 KB gif of it. 1600x1200 Windows |
| 18:55.56 | Iriel | I'm constantly surprised how many people DO use it |
| 18:56.13 | Iriel | wowi is only a fraction of the downloads, it's been on curse for a long time, and then there's my own site |
| 18:56.25 | Kirov | Yeah, but your site is harder to find. |
| 18:56.46 | Kirov | Though I'm wondering how much of it is word of mouth distribution pointing back to your site |
| 18:57.09 | Kirov | 6000 downloads for how long it's been out on curse is tiny |
| 18:57.59 | Iriel | I'm not sure, I should check my web logs |
| 18:59.51 | Iriel | I get a couple of downloads a day there, I dont have the logs from the last patch day to know how many people grab it then. |
| 19:00.18 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Tem@204.90.50.252) |
| 19:01.03 | cmunn | Cide: Does CT_RA Debuff curing happen in parties or just raid groups? |
| 19:01.12 | Cide | both |
| 19:01.17 | Cide | and ungrouped |
| 19:01.33 | Beladona | Miravlix: try taht same page without line numbers and tell me if the same scrolling issue occurs |
| 19:01.39 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code.php?vd=11025302&lnk=FrameXML/ChatFrame.lua&nums=no |
| 19:02.06 | Miravlix | Problem is without line numbers no scrolling happends. :/ |
| 19:02.17 | Miravlix | It's under my screen size now |
| 19:02.21 | Corrodias | OMG STICK = 1! |
| 19:02.23 | Beladona | so the code is off the page, but no scrolling? |
| 19:02.35 | Beladona | oh I see |
| 19:02.43 | Beladona | try making the window smaller |
| 19:03.24 | Miravlix | Can't duplicate the effect by changing the size of the window, but it might be my mouse coordination skill thats lacking |
| 19:03.32 | Beladona | actually |
| 19:03.41 | Beladona | your original screenshot suggests nothing is wrong |
| 19:03.53 | Miravlix | I can't read the line numbers |
| 19:04.00 | Miravlix | and I can't scroll them on screen |
| 19:04.02 | Beladona | the width of the code is just BARELY wide enough to register the scrollbar, but there isn't anything to scroll |
| 19:04.16 | Miravlix | It's xxxx: line text |
| 19:04.16 | Beladona | line numbers are there |
| 19:04.24 | Miravlix | But I can only see xxx: line text |
| 19:04.27 | Beladona | thats the way it should look |
| 19:04.33 | Miravlix | It cut off the first number |
| 19:04.40 | Beladona | oh I see |
| 19:04.41 | Miravlix | Thats 1000+ line numbers |
| 19:04.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Tem@204.90.50.252) |
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| 19:05.01 | Beladona | I can't duplicate that |
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| 19:05.13 | Beladona | you sure you don't have a firefox plugin that modifies page rendering at all? |
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| 19:05.31 | Shouryuu | Humm anyone ever set a private tracker with muTorrent/Azureus? |
| 19:05.37 | Miravlix | Yeah, I have virtually no addons |
| 19:05.46 | Miravlix | Adblocker and a RSS reader |
| 19:06.10 | Corrodias | i do not see line numbers... |
| 19:06.27 | Miravlix | Corrodias: Thats because there isn't any |
| 19:06.33 | Beladona | on the one you were viewing |
| 19:06.41 | Miravlix | I might be using a larger font than normal |
| 19:06.51 | Beladona | that might be it |
| 19:07.25 | Beladona | Corrodias: try changing the "no" at the end of the address to "yes" |
| 19:07.33 | Beladona | that should turn on line numbers |
| 19:07.33 | Miravlix | My eyes is getting too old to watch 1600x1200 with default super tiny font |
| 19:07.48 | Beladona | I have 1920x1200 with default size font |
| 19:08.21 | Beladona | which is basically the same res as you, just widescreen |
| 19:08.27 | Corrodias | that is one slow web server |
| 19:08.32 | Miravlix | It does it every time |
| 19:08.40 | cmunn | :) I think I'm almost bugfree at this point :) |
| 19:08.42 | Miravlix | cut off the beginning of 4x line numbers |
| 19:08.54 | Miravlix | It happends every time I get a scrollbar |
| 19:08.58 | Beladona | I wish I could replicate it |
| 19:09.06 | Miravlix | 1, 2, 3 numbers if fine |
| 19:10.00 | Miravlix | 1111. text and the 1 is mostly off screen and I'm unable to scroll it on screen |
| 19:10.03 | Beladona | it cuts off when I increase text size |
| 19:10.11 | Miravlix | I can't duplicate the effect without the line numbers feature |
| 19:10.38 | Beladona | CTRL 0 should set to default font |
| 19:10.45 | Beladona | do the numbers appear? |
| 19:10.51 | Miravlix | Aah, but it's the default firefox font |
| 19:11.02 | Miravlix | But Windows is set to larger font |
| 19:11.08 | Beladona | eww |
| 19:11.29 | Beladona | I will fix it, it just might take a little bit |
| 19:11.34 | Miravlix | I hate 640x480 Flash sites |
| 19:11.44 | Miravlix | I can't read them and they don't scale |
| 19:11.48 | cmunn | I think I've gotten my CT_RA update near ready and a new version comes out. |
| 19:11.49 | Beladona | I just need to set a css style for the font so it uses that instead of what your browser forces |
| 19:12.22 | Beladona | right now I am more concerned about loading time |
| 19:12.52 | Beladona | I added a apge generation time to the bottom, ChatFrame.lua takes 10 seconds |
| 19:12.59 | Shouryuu | arghh this private tracker is driving me nuits |
| 19:14.06 | Miravlix | I'm mostly working on projects with 50-200 KB lua text, but FrameXML only has two files of 70K and 2xxK |
| 19:14.43 | Miravlix | ShardTracker.lua 235K |
| 19:15.05 | Miravlix | PartyQuests.lua 93K |
| 19:15.13 | Beladona | that maximum execution time is php on the server, so I guess I can't increase it |
| 19:15.23 | Beladona | I just need to make my code faster |
| 19:15.24 | Cide | cmunn: fear not, not a lot was changed |
| 19:15.32 | Miravlix | You can set it in the scripting language |
| 19:15.42 | Miravlix | Khaos.lua 150K |
| 19:15.42 | Cide | set_time_limit(seconds) modifies it for that page, I thought |
| 19:15.49 | Beladona | probably |
| 19:16.05 | Beladona | personally I would rather get the code to run faster |
| 19:16.15 | Cide | ShardTracker.lua 235K? |
| 19:16.15 | Beladona | than LET it run slow, know what I mean? |
| 19:16.18 | Miravlix | What the arvage file sizes for other projects here? |
| 19:16.36 | Cide | that's a lot of code for a shard tracker |
| 19:16.56 | Adrine | Sanity is 109k. |
| 19:17.04 | Cide | the ctra text files (not counting images) are 717kB total |
| 19:17.06 | Adrine | 54k of code and 44k of XML, and the code needs refactoring. |
| 19:17.18 | Cide | ctra.lua 172kB |
| 19:17.46 | wereHamster | wow.. such big addons.. |
| 19:17.59 | Cide | 416kB lua, 300kB xml |
| 19:18.10 | cmunn | Ummm... did you skip a version? |
| 19:18.16 | cmunn | 1.533? |
| 19:18.18 | Cide | a version number, yes |
| 19:18.29 | wereHamster | mine are usually <200 lines of lua and <500 lines xml |
| 19:18.43 | Cide | I used that for the internal version (for our guild), and they always complain when I release a release version with the same version number as the beta one! |
| 19:19.22 | Beladona | using different version sets is nice, like blizzard does |
| 19:19.43 | Beladona | but then it always sucks changing your version scheme mid-stream |
| 19:20.35 | Cide | yep |
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| 19:21.17 | Wobin_ | Any german speakers on that could help me with some localisation? |
| 19:21.19 | Cide | I use b#.### for beta and v#.### for release naturally, but our members don't understand the difference |
| 19:21.27 | Miravlix | And I have no idea why ShardTracker is so ISNANELY BIG! |
| 19:21.37 | Cide | "but it says I have 1.533 here, but you said to download 1.533 anyway!" |
| 19:21.38 | wereHamster | Wobin_, sure mr. plow |
| 19:21.47 | Wobin_ | wereHamster: Yep =) |
| 19:21.53 | cmunn | Ahh |
| 19:21.57 | Cide | s/but it/it/ |
| 19:22.09 | Tain | Mmm mm home made pizza with fresh mozzerella. |
| 19:22.24 | cmunn | I understand that feeling |
| 19:23.06 | Miravlix | I think one reason it is so big, is that it creates functions for everything and it's mother |
| 19:23.23 | Adrine | Cide: I haven't checked, but does the CTRA version display in-game when you hover over someone's status box include v or b? |
| 19:23.35 | Miravlix | It only calls the functions in one place most of the time, so it's total waist of time making it functions |
| 19:23.50 | Cide | Adrine: unfortunately, no |
| 19:23.55 | Cide | but it still leads to unnecessary confusion |
| 19:24.00 | Adrine | Also, I've had two people report channel broadcasts "not sticking" in the past two days, even though they have channel slots free. I have nothing else to report on the issue, but figured I'd toss it out there. |
| 19:24.19 | Miravlix | Adrine: Zombie channels? |
| 19:24.22 | Adrine | I'll keep an eye out, but two people in two days who have been running CTRA for ages without problems is mildly interesting. |
| 19:24.23 | Cide | I've seen it happen, but I can't really say why :/ |
| 19:24.25 | Adrine | Miravlix: I don't think so. |
| 19:24.44 | Miravlix | I know it's very easy to get zombie channels |
| 19:24.51 | Adrine | Well, they stick eventually |
| 19:24.54 | Miravlix | I keep getting them, without doing any funky stuff |
| 19:25.06 | Adrine | But in one case it took a few resets on the person's end, and 3-4 broadcasts. Another took 15 or so broadcasts. |
| 19:25.07 | cmunn | Uh oh, I found a bug, Cide |
| 19:25.18 | Cide | congratulations :) |
| 19:25.44 | Miravlix | Adrine: Hmm, your not talking about the Blizzard channel limit. |
| 19:25.44 | Cide | (that is, for figuring out how the code works or should work, in the first place!) |
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| 19:26.00 | Adrine | Miravlix: No, both people had several channel slots free. |
| 19:26.03 | Miravlix | channel slots free != Blizzard channel limit |
| 19:26.13 | cmunn | Cide: Actually, it just says 1.535 and your site says 1.534... |
| 19:26.19 | Adrine | One was in 6 channels, the other in 7. |
| 19:26.32 | Cide | our site shows 1.535 |
| 19:26.37 | Miravlix | Zombie channels wont show up though. |
| 19:26.45 | Adrine | Hm. |
| 19:26.47 | Cide | oh, not in the news post |
| 19:26.49 | Cide | fixed, thanks |
| 19:26.50 | Adrine | Even with a /chanlist ? |
| 19:26.56 | Adrine | Oh, right. |
| 19:26.58 | Miravlix | They wont show at all |
| 19:26.59 | Adrine | I know what you mean now. |
| 19:27.05 | cmunn | Np ^_^ |
| 19:27.08 | Adrine | I've had success getting rid of them with a manual join and leave several times. |
| 19:27.14 | Miravlix | But they are 'used' |
| 19:27.39 | Miravlix | Zapping Zone_Channels in chatcache fixes it |
| 19:27.47 | Adrine | Good to know. |
| 19:27.57 | Adrine | I'll see if I can nail it down to that next time I see it. |
| 19:28.06 | Miravlix | But it's a bit exceptional for someone to have 4 zombie channels |
| 19:28.18 | Miravlix | and it does 'complain' if you try to join the 11th channel |
| 19:29.04 | Miravlix | Blizzard's API thinks the channel is used, even while they are invisible, so it still reports an error. |
| 19:29.53 | Miravlix | Though if the user isn't in a big town, there is several used but hidden channels. |
| 19:30.44 | Miravlix | WORLD_PORT_ROOT_TIMER = "You have fallen through the world. You will be rooted here for %d %s."; |
| 19:31.10 | Miravlix | Hmm, I don't think that one works |
| 19:31.10 | Corrodias | days? :o |
| 19:31.22 | Corrodias | or is %d a .. decimal number? |
| 19:31.32 | Cide | integer |
| 19:31.38 | Miravlix | it's C |
| 19:31.43 | Miravlix | so integer and string |
| 19:32.10 | Corrodias | ah |
| 19:32.32 | Adrine | "WORLD_PORT_ROOT_TIMER" - I wonder if that's designed to catch and hold people that use port hacks to port under the world and attack mobs from there. |
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| 19:32.55 | Miravlix | You die when you fall under the world, so I don't think it's used |
| 19:32.57 | cmunn | Oh yay, it isn't that much... |
| 19:33.10 | Tem | I want it to catch me when I fall through the world because they haven't fixed blink |
| 19:33.12 | Adrine | Miravlix: I've seen port hackers use 'em to "float" under the world |
| 19:33.27 | Adrine | Just under the geometry. Seem the evade code doesn't (or didn't) kick in at that time. |
| 19:34.05 | Miravlix | The last charge under the world I saw and anything else all involves falling |
| 19:34.06 | Tem | either that or I want my repair money for those deaths |
| 19:34.10 | Miravlix | And you fall until you die |
| 19:34.18 | Adrine | If you're not using a utility, then yeah, you die :) |
| 19:34.24 | Tem | and then you can't get your corpse |
| 19:34.33 | Tem | so you take a buttload of dur damage |
| 19:34.34 | Adrine | I tend to fall through the world in WSG a lot, actually. |
| 19:34.35 | Tem | it blows |
| 19:34.39 | Tem | ditto |
| 19:34.41 | Adrine | Which is nice because it means no durability hit. |
| 19:34.44 | Adrine | But it's so annoying. |
| 19:34.52 | Adrine | Well |
| 19:34.53 | Tem | fears + blink = fall through a lot |
| 19:34.53 | Adrine | No 25% hit,. |
| 19:35.17 | Miravlix | I've had no problems with charging around WSG recently |
| 19:35.54 | Miravlix | And I charged quite a bit, in the 2 weeks time I did WSG at 39 |
| 19:37.17 | Miravlix | With the fixed in combat, you get to charge/intercept every time you change target. |
| 19:38.08 | Shouryuu | going... maddd |
| 19:38.43 | Tem | What the hell is going on here (here here here here here here) |
| 19:39.06 | Tem | I'll give you a cookie if you can tell me what that's from |
| 19:41.08 | Miravlix | Virtual cookies... |
| 19:41.35 | Miravlix | Only slightly better than virtual queues |
| 19:42.54 | Miravlix | 40 ppl in queue, someone disconnect a BWL team |
| 19:43.00 | wereHamster | am I still here? |
| 19:43.08 | Tem | yes? |
| 19:43.10 | Shouryuu | Where did wereHamster go? |
| 19:43.19 | Shouryuu | Tem I'd say The prince's bride |
| 19:43.28 | Miravlix | Anyone seen the hamster, we need more power! |
| 19:43.40 | wereHamster | ah.. router sometimes disconnects me and I don't know is gaim can reconnect me automatically |
| 19:43.58 | Miravlix | wereHamster: /print wereHamster |
| 19:44.07 | cmunn | Well, wish me luck on my History exam. |
| 19:44.08 | Miravlix | err /ping wereHamster |
| 19:44.27 | kremonte | mm this should be fun |
| 19:44.29 | Shouryuu | good luck cmunn |
| 19:44.38 | kremonte | making a rogue addon named rouge |
| 19:44.38 | wereHamster | Miravlix, cool, thanks |
| 19:44.39 | kremonte | :3 |
| 19:44.43 | cmunn | :) |
| 19:45.07 | fatbrain | a rogue addon named rogue... if it's anything intuitive as the nage suggests, I'm ... eager to try it out ^-^ |
| 19:45.11 | Shouryuu | lol kremonte what's is for |
| 19:45.11 | Miravlix | Well, if it makes a rogues life all rouge, it seems appropiate |
| 19:45.14 | fatbrain | nage <- name. |
| 19:45.42 | Adrine | I'm a mace-wielder |
| 19:45.46 | Adrine | Does that make me a Baton Rogue? |
| 19:45.52 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:45.58 | Miravlix | I keep forgetting what rouge means in english |
| 19:46.05 | Adrine | Nothing. It means "red" in french. |
| 19:46.08 | kremonte | rouge, rouge. |
| 19:46.10 | kremonte | not rogue. :E |
| 19:46.12 | kremonte | but uh |
| 19:46.15 | kremonte | general purpose rogue mod |
| 19:46.27 | kremonte | essentially a rewrite of poisonmaster and energywatch, along with some stealth equip options |
| 19:46.48 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.48 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.54 | Shouryuu | configure energywatch to watch with druids, but only in cat form :p |
| 19:46.58 | Adrine | Which comes from the french word for "red" :) |
| 19:47.01 | kremonte | rewrite, shou :p |
| 19:47.07 | kremonte | but good idea |
| 19:47.09 | kremonte | will do! :o |
| 19:47.15 | kremonte | and that version will be called |
| 19:47.17 | kremonte | durid. |
| 19:47.25 | Miravlix | Recoded EW a little to work for druids too |
| 19:47.26 | kremonte | or driud? |
| 19:47.27 | Wobin_ | when DURID IS FITING... |
| 19:47.28 | Adrine | drood. |
| 19:47.31 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:47.33 | Shouryuu | drood |
| 19:47.33 | kremonte | Adrine: doesn't count |
| 19:47.39 | kremonte | drood isn't a typo of druid |
| 19:47.40 | kremonte | it's like d0rf |
| 19:47.44 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 19:47.46 | Adrine | I prefer "wtf im a rogue heal yourself" |
| 19:47.54 | Adrine | (for a druid mod) |
| 19:48.01 | Adrine | sorry, urself |
| 19:48.08 | Tain | Speaking of Rogue, do any of the poison reagent buying addons work well these days? Ones I used to try were alwyas buggy and never bought the right amounts. |
| 19:48.15 | kremonte | yeah, tain |
| 19:48.17 | kremonte | i use poisonmaster |
| 19:48.18 | Adrine | I've given up on them and just shift-click now |
| 19:48.19 | Adrine | Also |
| 19:48.25 | kremonte | but it's ugly. EW is ugly and inconfigurable |
| 19:48.31 | Adrine | Deadly Poison V takes 70 Deathweed to make 10 poison. |
| 19:48.34 | Adrine | Deathweed stacks to 10. |
| 19:48.38 | kremonte | ._. |
| 19:48.48 | Adrine | I need 9 slots free to make a stack of Deadly V without having to make-buy-make-buy |
| 19:48.54 | Miravlix | Not in 1.11 |
| 19:48.57 | Adrine | I know. |
| 19:48.58 | Adrine | But still |
| 19:49.00 | kremonte | huh? |
| 19:49.02 | kremonte | what about 1.11 |
| 19:49.07 | Adrine | 1.11 they're changing stacking |
| 19:49.08 | Wobin_ | stacks to 20 |
| 19:49.15 | kremonte | :o |
| 19:49.16 | Adrine | Poison reagents and various tradeskill reagents will stack to 20 |
| 19:49.17 | Miravlix | 1.11 changes stacks to 20 for many things |
| 19:49.22 | Wobin_ | thank god |
| 19:49.24 | Miravlix | Leather stacks in 20 |
| 19:49.28 | Adrine | Enchanting, leather |
| 19:49.32 | Wobin_ | as do furs |
| 19:49.38 | Wobin_ | er hides |
| 19:49.38 | kremonte | =O |
| 19:49.43 | Wobin_ | and keyrings! |
| 19:49.47 | Wobin_ | Lets not forget keyrings! |
| 19:49.50 | Adrine | As a rogue, keyrings are completely useless to me :P |
| 19:49.52 | Miravlix | It's a pretty huge difference for rouges and enchanters |
| 19:49.55 | Adrine | I have a hard time getting excited about them :D |
| 19:50.01 | Adrine | My rogue is an engineering enchanter. |
| 19:50.06 | Adrine | I carry so much crap it's silly. |
| 19:50.15 | Wobin_ | My rogues an engineer |
| 19:50.17 | Wobin_ | I feel your pain |
| 19:50.25 | Adrine | http://360.advancedmn.com/media.php?gameid=814 |
| 19:51.03 | Adrine | I really need to wiggle some tickets and go to E3 some day. |
| 19:51.09 | Adrine | Not that far, really. Just have to take the time to do it. |
| 19:51.33 | Miravlix | Whats up with dictionary.com being dictionary.referance.com |
| 19:52.58 | Miravlix | Save time with ad-free access to our sites. |
| 19:53.10 | Miravlix | Uhh, guys, adblock does that just fine. :p |
| 19:53.22 | Miravlix | Didn't even know it was an add site. :> |
| 19:53.25 | Shouryuu | if you want a good dictionary, go the www.thefreedictionary.com |
| 19:54.05 | Shouryuu | Arghh I am so going crazy |
| 19:54.18 | Shouryuu | My last lighbulb just went *poof* |
| 19:54.27 | Shouryuu | I'm alone in the dark |
| 19:54.29 | wereHamster | LEDs ftw :) |
| 19:54.33 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 19:54.59 | Miravlix | With everything and it's mother defaulting to a white background with black text in windows |
| 19:55.03 | Miravlix | you don't need light |
| 19:55.15 | Miravlix | You need mirrorshades to avoid eye burnout though |
| 19:55.22 | Shouryuu | yeah that I do |
| 19:57.25 | Cide | I also like google's answers.com |
| 19:57.30 | Miravlix | Nothing like a word of the day. |
| 19:57.41 | Cide | (not sure if that actual service is google's or not, but google uses it so it must be good!) |
| 19:58.57 | Miravlix | Thefreedictionary.com has adverts I can't block |
| 19:59.25 | Kirov | It does? |
| 19:59.43 | Miravlix | So called Sponsored links |
| 19:59.48 | Kirov | ah |
| 19:59.52 | Miravlix | In basic html without a iframe I can block |
| 20:00.05 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 20:00.38 | Kirov | ones injected from .php or what ever they're using to generate the page |
| 20:00.49 | Miravlix | Hmm, there is green, white, yellow, black rouge |
| 20:01.48 | Miravlix | Rouge is a common misspelling of rogue. |
| 20:03.28 | Iriel | Miravlix : You'd be able to block them with greasemonkey or a proxy |
| 20:03.32 | Shouryuu | I'm off |
| 20:03.33 | Shouryuu | tada |
| 20:03.51 | Kirov | Lillian Gertrud Asplund died this saturday, hmm |
| 20:04.07 | Beladona | weird |
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| 20:12.06 | Beladona | GlobalStrings.lua takes 57 seconds to parse on wdn |
| 20:12.10 | Beladona | ouch |
| 20:12.49 | Kirov | That's fairly horrendous |
| 20:13.02 | Kirov | But it's also an extreme case |
| 20:13.26 | Beladona | gonna try it without pulling from the zip to see the difference |
| 20:23.30 | Beladona | only a 4 second difference between pulling from a zip versus a flat file |
| 20:23.40 | Beladona | so the syntax highlighter is to blame |
| 20:24.57 | Beladona | a striaght echo of file contents takes about 4 seconds |
| 20:25.03 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 20:25.18 | Adrine | gzip compression or output buffering? |
| 20:25.23 | Adrine | THat seems a bit odd. |
| 20:26.40 | Beladona | no wasn't using gzip |
| 20:27.13 | Beladona | so we are looking at about 4 seconds for the contents of teh file to get into the syntax highlighter, and another 4 seconds to get that content from a zip |
| 20:27.27 | Beladona | the extra 50 seconds is purely the syntax highlighter parsing the contents |
| 20:27.29 | Adrine | What's the size of the zip? |
| 20:27.37 | Adrine | And why use a zip? Any chance of extracting it to flat files? |
| 20:27.55 | Beladona | because that would be 200 some files, times every version that I keep |
| 20:28.05 | Beladona | zip is just cleaner |
| 20:28.06 | Adrine | Is disk space a problem? |
| 20:28.13 | Beladona | not to mention I store them as zip anyway |
| 20:28.14 | Adrine | Yeah, but faster and more CPU intensive ;) |
| 20:28.17 | Beladona | for download |
| 20:28.21 | Adrine | I'd just store 'em in version-named directories |
| 20:28.26 | Adrine | Provide the zips for download |
| 20:28.28 | Beladona | I use to do that |
| 20:28.39 | Beladona | you are talking about 2mb per directory, versus about 50k per zip |
| 20:28.52 | Adrine | Is disk space a problem though? |
| 20:28.58 | Adrine | I mean, 2mb is pretty piddly these days. |
| 20:29.12 | Beladona | it doesn't matter, it just seems stupid to me |
| 20:29.31 | Adrine | Eh, the performance tradeoff would be worth it to me personally. *shrug* |
| 20:29.31 | Beladona | it seems way too messy a method |
| 20:29.51 | krka | snap-to buttons complete |
| 20:29.51 | krka | yay |
| 20:30.30 | Beladona | it doesn't matter anyway Adrone |
| 20:30.30 | Beladona | err Adrine |
| 20:30.30 | Beladona | the zip isn't the problem |
| 20:30.34 | Beladona | the syntax highlighter is |
| 20:30.39 | Adrine | Fair enough :) |
| 20:30.42 | Beladona | it still takes 53 seconds for it to aprse from a flat file |
| 20:30.44 | Adrine | Is it written in php? |
| 20:30.46 | Adrine | ...ouch. |
| 20:30.48 | Beladona | yup |
| 20:30.59 | Beladona | 53 seconds from GlobalStrings.lua mind you |
| 20:31.02 | Beladona | which is a bear anyway |
| 20:31.31 | Adrine | You could install ClearSilver and just pipe stuff through that |
| 20:31.35 | Adrine | I know that Trac does that. |
| 20:31.35 | Beladona | going from flat file to zip method adds 4 seconds |
| 20:31.38 | Adrine | Written in C, very fast. |
| 20:31.46 | krka | 53 seconds to parse globalstrings.lua? |
| 20:31.47 | krka | that's crap |
| 20:31.54 | krka | i bet faiap could do it better :P |
| 20:31.56 | Beladona | very |
| 20:32.03 | Beladona | faiap? |
| 20:32.10 | krka | my lua highlighter |
| 20:32.19 | Beladona | I bet it could |
| 20:32.22 | Beladona | this is for the web |
| 20:32.33 | Kirov | but his is for wow, in wow |
| 20:32.54 | krka | shouldn't be too hard to call lua from php or whatever :P |
| 20:33.00 | Adrine | Heheh. |
| 20:33.13 | Beladona | its getting way too complicated for the worth |
| 20:33.23 | krka | i could port it to php probably |
| 20:33.26 | Beladona | all this to allow you to see the file contents online |
| 20:33.31 | krka | or whatever language |
| 20:33.33 | Beladona | screw that |
| 20:33.33 | Adrine | How are you doing the highlighting? Maybe it could be sped up. |
| 20:33.48 | Beladona | I am using GeSHi |
| 20:33.59 | Adrine | Ah |
| 20:34.15 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code.php?vd=11025302&lnk=FrameXML/Fonts.xml&nums=yes |
| 20:34.21 | Beladona | it works great |
| 20:34.27 | Beladona | it just chokes on huge files |
| 20:34.42 | Beladona | anything beyond 2k lines basically |
| 20:35.47 | Kirkburn | The speed of generation seems a little OTT to me :) "page generates in 0.83218502998352 seconds" |
| 20:36.01 | Kirkburn | That must be down to the clock cycle in accuracy |
| 20:36.06 | Beladona | microtime |
| 20:36.32 | Kirkburn | femto time more like |
| 20:37.11 | Kirkburn | Lol, I was right |
| 20:37.40 | Kirkburn | milli, micro, nano, pico, femto |
| 20:39.58 | Beladona | the function that generates that uses microtime(); |
| 20:41.06 | Kirov | heh |
| 20:41.12 | Kirkburn | ah, it's just a name :) |
| 20:41.20 | Kirov | milli and micro are my hamsters, nano is my cat, pico is my dog |
| 20:41.31 | Kirkburn | Really? |
| 20:41.33 | Kirov | yeah |
| 20:41.35 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 20:41.37 | krka | that's so geek |
| 20:41.40 | Kirov | milli is the smallest one |
| 20:41.52 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:42.06 | Kirkburn | You just need Femto, Atto, Zepto and Yocto now |
| 20:42.12 | Kirov | Might need to get a fish named Macro |
| 20:42.32 | Kirov | kirk - I'm not mean enough to name something femto |
| 20:42.38 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 20:43.04 | Kirkburn | I do like the name Milli and Micro for the hamsters |
| 20:43.14 | Kirkburn | s/name/names/ |
| 20:43.20 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/Pico04.jpg - pico |
| 20:43.39 | Kirov | I have a picture of Pico and Nano somplace ... hmm |
| 20:43.52 | Kirov | cell phone camera ftl |
| 20:45.12 | Adrine | http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8172/image0019ib.gif |
| 20:45.50 | Kirov | lol |
| 20:46.36 | Cide | it's totally at (2, 1.5) |
| 20:47.18 | Cide | http://stfu.mpls.mn.us/~wwarneck/priest_t3.jpg <- supposed priest t3 (rumors!) |
| 20:47.19 | krka | old |
| 20:47.19 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:47.22 | krka | x = 5 |
| 20:47.45 | Beladona | poll: do you guys care about syntax highlighting? (yes) (no) |
| 20:47.53 | Adrine | Beladona: In my editors, yes |
| 20:47.56 | Beladona | could totally make it load fast without it |
| 20:47.59 | Adrine | Online, it's a nice touch but I don't care. |
| 20:48.00 | Kirkburn | I want another No-One Lives Forever sequel! |
| 20:48.04 | Cide | yes but optional? |
| 20:48.14 | Beladona | optional would work |
| 20:49.55 | krka | just use a better highlighter |
| 20:50.00 | krka | that stuff should be _fast_ |
| 20:50.03 | Miravlix_ | Hmm, in a situation where we are talking full list of lua files it's perhaps not sutch a big issue |
| 20:51.09 | Miravlix_ | But what is the point of listening the files? |
| 20:51.32 | Beladona | krka: should be yes |
| 20:51.32 | Miravlix_ | If it's to read them, then highlighting and line numbers is somewhat important |
| 20:52.05 | Beladona | not sure I understand what you mean Miravlix |
| 20:52.27 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/test.php |
| 20:52.38 | Beladona | that pulls GlobalStrings.lua from the same zip file, but no highlighting |
| 20:52.44 | Miravlix_ | Why are you making this file lister? |
| 20:52.45 | Beladona | notice the speed difference |
| 20:52.53 | Beladona | uhh |
| 20:53.05 | Beladona | you never been to my site I take it |
| 20:53.24 | Beladona | http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 20:53.38 | Beladona | shows changes in each release |
| 20:54.04 | Wobin_ | what does the wdn stand for? |
| 20:54.09 | Miravlix_ | That really doesn't asnwer what this new feature is used for |
| 20:54.23 | Beladona | its a defunct name at this point, but I never bothered to change it |
| 20:54.51 | Beladona | the new feature is just to allow you to view the actual file for any file of any version |
| 20:54.57 | Beladona | it was a requested feature |
| 20:55.20 | Miravlix_ | So we are talking a somewhat limtied number of files that will be viewed? |
| 20:55.32 | Beladona | no |
| 20:55.37 | Beladona | any file of any version |
| 20:55.52 | Miravlix_ | Thats still fairly limited |
| 20:55.53 | Beladona | not very limited |
| 20:56.08 | Miravlix_ | It's just Blizzard files, not the entire worlds lua files |
| 20:56.14 | Beladona | well yeah of course |
| 20:56.25 | Adrine | http://stfu.mpls.mn.us/~wwarneck/warrior_t3.jpg |
| 20:56.29 | Adrine | Bad ass. |
| 20:57.03 | Wobin_ | Adrine: He looks like he can transform into some vehicle =P |
| 20:57.20 | Wobin_ | Or maybe the shoulders can rocket propel him... |
| 20:57.36 | Beladona | so I guess now I am on the lookout for a better syntax highlighter in php, or write my own |
| 20:57.36 | Miravlix_ | Creating pre-formatted files for the 2-3 big ones doesn't seem like a big deal |
| 20:58.19 | Miravlix_ | There is 5 files over 50 KB |
| 20:58.51 | Miravlix_ | Creating a cache for those would not be a huge amount of data |
| 20:59.50 | Kirkburn | David Hasselhoff - Hooked on a Feeling ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62S1vws4y7s&search=hasselhoff ..................................... |
| 21:00.06 | Kirkburn | <-- speechless |
| 21:00.27 | Cide | or, code a syntax highlighter in javascript and let the client do the work |
| 21:00.53 | Cide | but javascript is ugly :) |
| 21:01.22 | Adrine | Cide, I'm cringing at the thought. |
| 21:01.28 | Kirkburn | Wobin_, follow it, damn you! |
| 21:01.32 | Cide | I've had my share of javascript |
| 21:01.40 | Wobin_ | nope =P You can't make me =) |
| 21:01.58 | Cide | we've had to design a lot of stuff on ctprofiles.net in javascript (due to bandwidth + ease of use), and I still have nightmares |
| 21:01.59 | Kirkburn | You must view the awesomeness of his only music video! |
| 21:02.18 | Wobin_ | Does it have him wearing a sparkly jacket? |
| 21:02.23 | Wobin_ | With lights on it? |
| 21:02.29 | Adrine | Well, when you're doing AJAX stuff like you are with ctprofiles, javascript makes sense. |
| 21:02.48 | Cide | doesn't make it less horrible, unfortunately |
| 21:03.00 | Kirkburn | Might do. He's also dressed as a biker, polar bear, twat, black tie suit, twat, etc |
| 21:03.03 | Adrine | And with libraries like Prototype, it isn't too horrible. |
| 21:03.20 | Wobin_ | No. =P |
| 21:03.32 | Wobin_ | I'm going to bed =P |
| 21:03.40 | Wobin_ | Night all =) |
| 21:03.44 | Kirkburn | Sweet dreams of Hassehoof! |
| 21:03.59 | Kirkburn | s/Hassehoof/Hasselhoff/ |
| 21:04.08 | Wobin_ | now I have a mental image of a Tauren in a red bikini speedo |
| 21:04.18 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 21:05.38 | Kirkburn | The children's week pets! http://www.wow-europe.com/shared/wow-com/images/basics/events/childrensweek/pets.jpg |
| 21:06.48 | Kirkburn | I'm gonna go on WoW for the first time in ages just to get Mr. Wiggles |
| 21:09.41 | Kirkburn | Do I have to talk about obscure coding terminology to get a response from you lot? |
| 21:10.40 | Kirkburn | Fine, er 0.9999~ != 1 :P |
| 21:10.48 | Miravlix_ | Thats not lua |
| 21:10.55 | Industrial | Can anyone recommend a p2p program that doesnt require me to have Xgb of share? |
| 21:11.07 | Industrial | and thats not soulseek kazaa bearshare or bittorrent |
| 21:11.24 | Miravlix_ | Then it's eMule? |
| 21:11.32 | Miravlix_ | and the Edonkey network |
| 21:11.33 | Industrial | emule is hubs right? |
| 21:11.36 | Elkano | freenode? ;) |
| 21:12.04 | Elkano | emule also has a decentralized p2p network name Kaderian build into it |
| 21:12.06 | Industrial | Elkano: my business lies not at what freenode supplies :P |
| 21:12.23 | Industrial | k, ill check it |
| 21:12.50 | Elkano | id, thought so, but it did fit you description ;) |
| 21:12.51 | Miravlix_ | www.emule-project.net |
| 21:13.13 | Industrial | yeah i already installed it |
| 21:13.14 | Industrial | :p |
| 21:13.37 | Industrial | fast aint i :p |
| 21:13.53 | Kirkburn | DC++, if you find non-restricted servers |
| 21:14.07 | Industrial | DC requires share |
| 21:14.10 | Miravlix_ | Considering how long Ed2k has been around and it's one of the big p2p players... no? |
| 21:14.14 | Industrial | i have 7GB |
| 21:14.16 | Industrial | ;) |
| 21:14.22 | Kirkburn | Not always. More specifically BCDC++, since that allows you to limit your upload spee |
| 21:14.24 | Kirkburn | d |
| 21:14.31 | Industrial | i mean share in size |
| 21:14.50 | Industrial | size of files you share |
| 21:15.00 | Miravlix_ | I share nothing! |
| 21:15.02 | Kirkburn | Some servers don't require you to share anything |
| 21:15.14 | Gryphen | shareaza |
| 21:15.29 | Industrial | thats a whole media center |
| 21:15.41 | Industrial | i have a media player for that |
| 21:15.41 | Industrial | :P |
| 21:15.51 | Gryphen | er, dont use it :o |
| 21:15.53 | Gryphen | i dont |
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| 21:19.25 | Kirkburn | Ooh, Children's week has already begun ... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8209928 (also, look, a World Event Designer has come to say hello!) |
| 21:19.59 | Beladona | night all! |
| 21:20.48 | Industrial | nn Beladona |
| 21:20.56 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@josephpartners.com) |
| 21:21.23 | Miravlix_ | Strange responses to that thread, would think they guy responding was some crime |
| 21:22.48 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:24.31 | Kirkburn | Poor guy |
| 21:25.09 | Kirkburn | What's the char limit on names here? |
| 21:25.36 | Gryphen | 634 |
| 21:25.54 | Kirkburn|Tesssss | hrm |
| 21:26.07 | testing890123456 | 16! |
| 21:26.41 | Kirk|MrWiggles | =) |
| 21:28.08 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Hullo |
| 21:28.26 | Kirk|MrWiggles | sloukens just visited the Interface forums btw |
| 21:28.45 | Kirk|MrWiggles | (aimed at no-one in particular) |
| 21:29.45 | sancus | o rly |
| 21:29.57 | sancus | shaman preview in 30 mins |
| 21:32.37 | Elviso | you guys see the leaked tier3 art (supposedly)? |
| 21:32.41 | Adrine | Yup. |
| 21:32.46 | Adrine | priest and warrior? |
| 21:32.47 | Kirk|MrWiggles | no |
| 21:32.49 | Adrine | Or have you seen more? |
| 21:32.52 | Kirk|MrWiggles | where where |
| 21:32.52 | Elviso | any except warrior & priest? |
| 21:32.55 | Kirk|MrWiggles | where |
| 21:32.57 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/priest_t3.jpg |
| 21:33.04 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/warrior_t3.jpg |
| 21:33.08 | Adrine | (I mirrored 'em) |
| 21:33.19 | Kirk|MrWiggles | sloooow |
| 21:33.29 | Adrine | Eh? Shouldn't be. |
| 21:33.37 | Adrine | Unless I'm getting slammed for some reason |
| 21:33.42 | Kirk|MrWiggles | My internet has been acting weird all day |
| 21:33.58 | Kirk|MrWiggles | I wouldn't be surprised if you were though |
| 21:34.00 | Elviso | was fast for me |
| 21:34.11 | Adrine | I haven't posted them anywhere public |
| 21:34.14 | Adrine | Just my guild forums and here |
| 21:34.18 | Adrine | well |
| 21:34.21 | Adrine | This is public, I guess. :) |
| 21:34.28 | Adrine | Originally from http://stfu.mpls.mn.us/~wwarneck/?C=M;O=A |
| 21:34.40 | Adrine | (I'm camping the directory for image spawns. >_>) |
| 21:34.46 | Miravlix_ | Slouken: This will only be added at designer request. |
| 21:34.48 | Kirk|MrWiggles | It's given up |
| 21:35.06 | Miravlix_ | Hmm, I assume it's Blizzard Designers |
| 21:35.06 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Sloukens will only be added at designers request? Shame :( |
| 21:35.22 | Adrine | Someone needs to implement a slouken.clone() method. |
| 21:35.27 | Elviso | http://www.scito.nl/uploads/1147121402_upload.jpg |
| 21:35.34 | Kirk|MrWiggles | (works now) |
| 21:35.35 | Elviso | http://www.scito.nl/uploads/1147121351_upload.jpg |
| 21:35.38 | Miravlix_ | Is Slouken a designer? |
| 21:35.54 | Cairenn | slouken is one of the programmers |
| 21:36.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | What, slouken wants to put curtains in his cubicle? Put that'll upset the Fung Shay! |
| 21:36.24 | Kirk|MrWiggles | lol, nice spillin' |
| 21:36.49 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Feng Shui |
| 21:36.57 | Kirk|MrWiggles | :P |
| 21:37.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | Sorry, my grasp of the English language ends at...English (and some Japanese) ;) |
| 21:37.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | I make no implications that I know any Chinese, in English letters or not. |
| 21:37.39 | Kirk|MrWiggles | :) |
| 21:38.25 | Kirk|MrWiggles | When was it announced when the shammy preview was coming? |
| 21:38.33 | Adrine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-shaman&t=531959&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 21:38.35 | Kirk|MrWiggles | nvm |
| 21:38.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shamans are actually getting a Shaman talent review? |
| 21:38.56 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Perhaps if I'd clicked the big big post at the top called 44mins ... |
| 21:39.03 | Adrine | With the blue tag no less! |
| 21:39.50 | sancus | Thrae: Um yes? We've known that they were for a while :P |
| 21:39.57 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Eyonix is so mean |
| 21:40.05 | sancus | shaman talents suck ass |
| 21:40.09 | sancus | with a few notable exceptions |
| 21:40.11 | Adrine | I like how the mages were complaining about "tomorrow" |
| 21:40.13 | Miravlix_ | Do we know what governs the UI Designers reason for there design? |
| 21:40.15 | Adrine | When the priests got "friday" |
| 21:40.15 | sancus | I hope they get a good one |
| 21:40.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | The last official word I heard was "Shamans are the class we feel are closet to completion, which is why they look 'overpowered' to the other classes. Any review we do would be ultimately minor compared to what we have in store for the other classes." |
| 21:40.42 | sancus | yes |
| 21:40.47 | sancus | the mage talent review was very minor also |
| 21:40.57 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Doesn't mean the talents can't be made more interesting |
| 21:40.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/closet/closest/g |
| 21:41.04 | Miravlix_ | It frees upt o 9 talent points |
| 21:41.09 | Kirk|MrWiggles | I don't play one, but I know the talents are dull as hell |
| 21:41.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | Damn you purl! Even 'g' cannot trick you! |
| 21:41.15 | Miravlix_ | Thats pretty huge getting 9 points more talents |
| 21:41.25 | sancus | it does not free up 9 talent points |
| 21:41.39 | sancus | A lot of the talent points that were "freed" were in talents lots of people don't take anyway. |
| 21:41.52 | Kirk|MrWiggles | It frees up *come* |
| 21:41.52 | sancus | It makes them slightly more attractive, but in no way were 9 "must have" points freed up. |
| 21:41.56 | Kirk|MrWiggles | *some* |
| 21:42.12 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Miravlix_ didn't say that |
| 21:42.13 | sancus | plus, you still need the same number of points in trees for the key talents |
| 21:42.21 | sancus | so in some cases, you're just dumping points into garbage now anyway. |
| 21:42.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah I know the Shaman talents are dull..."OK, should I take the Overpowered Tree, the IWIN tree, or the OMGURNOTADRUID tree?" |
| 21:42.35 | sancus | eh? |
| 21:42.44 | sancus | The only tree that's really quite good is the Elemental one |
| 21:42.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | That's the IWIN tree! |
| 21:42.56 | sancus | Enhancement is kinda mediocre, Restoration is pretty bad actually |
| 21:43.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | Restoration is the "OMGURNOTADRUID" tree |
| 21:43.20 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Really? *dies of shock* |
| 21:43.24 | Kirk|MrWiggles | sorry, I meant |
| 21:43.25 | sancus | except shaman are primary healers in raids. |
| 21:43.28 | sancus | that's what they DO |
| 21:43.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | Silly Shamans, thinking they can heal! |
| 21:43.38 | Kirk|MrWiggles | *dies of FROSTSHOCK* |
| 21:43.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shamans are NOT primary healers. They can primarly heal, but that doesn't make them "primary healers"! |
| 21:43.56 | sancus | yes they are |
| 21:43.58 | sancus | what else can they do? |
| 21:44.03 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Jump |
| 21:44.14 | sancus | Their sustained melee dps is like 1/4 of a warrior, and their elemental dps is only good for about 45 seconds. |
| 21:44.20 | Elviso | they're hybrids, they'll never have a primary role |
| 21:44.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | If raids were the only measure of a class, then Druids wouldn't be healers, they'd be Innervate'rs |
| 21:44.36 | sancus | they arent really hybrids |
| 21:44.39 | sancus | uhhh okay |
| 21:44.43 | Elviso | they aren't? |
| 21:44.49 | Elviso | that's news to me |
| 21:44.53 | sancus | druids are one of the best healing classes in the game, with several distinct advantages over priests that complement them very nicely |
| 21:45.00 | Kirk|MrWiggles | lol, i've been playing my shaman wrong |
| 21:45.02 | cladhaire | I have a druid and a priesty |
| 21:45.09 | cladhaire | Shaman and Paladin are my next healers to level |
| 21:45.14 | cladhaire | sadly I did a rogue before them all =/ |
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| 21:45.28 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Warlocks ftw |
| 21:45.42 | sancus | shaman are a buff class with a heavy focus on healing, they wont ever be as good at healing as druids/priests, because their buffs are much stronger than either of those classes. |
| 21:45.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shamans and Paladins are technically "secondary healers". If they can't fill any other roll, then yes, they need a talent / class review. |
| 21:46.08 | sancus | But shaman buffs + healing is better than shaman buffs + dps in either of their possible forms. |
| 21:46.40 | Kirk|MrWiggles | But they're still hybrids |
| 21:46.49 | Kirk|MrWiggles | i.e. shamans are not priests |
| 21:46.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | I bet you'd say Feral Druids still can't main tank Molten Core ;) |
| 21:47.16 | sancus | huh? |
| 21:47.28 | sancus | A drunk rogue can probably tank molten core, its so trivial |
| 21:47.29 | Kirk|MrWiggles | it's most likely we have different interpretations of the word hybrid, I reckon |
| 21:47.49 | Adrine | Rogues can tank firelords easily enough. Done it. ;) |
| 21:47.50 | Kirk|MrWiggles | For someone experienced perhaps |
| 21:47.53 | sancus | a feral druid is not the ideal tank on any encounter where tank power is actually necessary to beat the fight. |
| 21:47.55 | Adrine | Molten Giants are another thing. |
| 21:48.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shamans aren't a hybrid class, they're a "Jack Of All Trades" class! |
| 21:48.11 | cladhaire | I have tanked most of MC on my druid |
| 21:48.31 | cladhaire | Molten Destroyers and Golemagg 2nd stage are kinda rough cause of crits. |
| 21:48.35 | cladhaire | but its not that hard. |
| 21:48.37 | sancus | its about what's "optimal" not "possible" |
| 21:48.43 | sancus | a priest can tank onyxia |
| 21:49.02 | sancus | how often do you see people using a priest to tank onyxia? :P |
| 21:49.05 | wereHamster | have _you_ seen it? |
| 21:49.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | It's not about what's optimal, it's about what's possible vs what's intended vs difficulty. |
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| 21:50.06 | sancus | nah not personally, I have seen a rogue tank her though, which is pretty close |
| 21:50.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | Feral Druids were intended to be a secondary tank, or a main tank in a pinch, but either way, it should be harder tanking as a Druid then as a Warrior, especially a Protection-spec one. |
| 21:50.15 | Elviso | supposedly druids make awesome broodlord tanks |
| 21:50.21 | Elviso | due to the mitigation they can get |
| 21:50.49 | Kirk|MrWiggles | No-one ever mentions warlocks :( |
| 21:50.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Who knows where the mage talent preview tree is? Not the IGN article, the talent calc for it |
| 21:51.00 | sancus | wowhead.com, scytheblade |
| 21:51.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That's it |
| 21:51.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Thank you |
| 21:51.32 | sancus | warlocks are great for tanking twin emps |
| 21:51.41 | wereHamster | Kirk|MrWiggles, warlocks get their share at the twin emperors ;) |
| 21:51.45 | sancus | and mayyyybeeee ouro |
| 21:51.50 | sancus | though its probably not worth the trouble |
| 21:52.05 | sancus | we tried it a bit but its hard to get working |
| 21:52.56 | Kirk|MrWiggles | :) |
| 21:53.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | By the way, for the official word on "Hybrids", http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/index.html --> Druid = Hybrid, Primary Healer. Shaman = Hybrid, Secondary Healer. Paladin = Hybrid, Secondary Healer. |
| 21:53.18 | sancus | the official word doesnt really mean anything |
| 21:53.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | Oh, and Warlock = "Debuffer". Better not try casting any "attack" spells! |
| 21:53.37 | sancus | Blizzard's been out of touch with what their classes do in raids for a long time |
| 21:54.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, I was talking about what Blizzard intends for the class, not what the players want it to be. |
| 21:54.49 | sancus | tbh I think it's intentional, most people don't raid, so they focus little of their class design on it, despite the fact that it's repeatedly touted as the high-end of achievement and skill in the game |
| 21:55.06 | Miravlix_ | The description is pretty much still true for party based action, it's in raids that we get player specializationr requirements |
| 21:55.10 | sancus | suffice to say, their live team is inconsistent |
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| 21:56.44 | Kirk|MrWiggles | It's as if everything just got reversed ... a raider is saying the casuals get all the attention |
| 21:56.49 | Miravlix_ | The players doesn't want to deal with the complication of a class that can do different things, so they *decides* there job |
| 21:57.11 | sancus | Kirk: Not exactly |
| 21:57.39 | Kirk|MrWiggles | "most people don't raid, so they focus little of their class design on it" |
| 21:57.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | ~ |
| 21:57.45 | sancus | yes |
| 21:57.49 | Kirk|MrWiggles | But you don't raid? |
| 21:57.55 | sancus | I do raid, but you're missing the point |
| 21:57.59 | sancus | they focus little of their class design on raiding |
| 21:58.07 | sancus | but they focus the vast majority of their live content creation on raiding |
| 21:58.11 | sancus | hence why their live team is inconsistent |
| 21:58.22 | Kirk|MrWiggles | No, I know, I was just being silly and pointing out that you get completely the opposite on the forums |
| 21:58.31 | sancus | not really |
| 21:58.35 | sancus | its just people talk about new content all the time |
| 21:58.43 | sancus | they rarely mention the class changes themselves |
| 21:58.45 | Shadowd | I'm going to take a quick guess, the debate is about casual VS raider for class revamps? |
| 21:58.46 | sancus | prob because they aren't as frequent |
| 21:58.57 | sancus | and aren't as noticeable either |
| 21:59.15 | Miravlix_ | People tend to overlook most changes, except big ones like 40 man raid stuff |
| 21:59.16 | sancus | "change to obscure talent that only class X themselves really understand" isn't as easy as a target as "GIGANTIC NEW FOURTY MAN HERES SCREENSHOTS AND STUFF" |
| 21:59.32 | Kirk|MrWiggles | I don't mind either way realy, as long as *all* (not 'both') sides get looked at |
| 21:59.43 | Miravlix_ | If we look at the changes objectively, it's not really all raid contense we have gotten since release |
| 21:59.54 | sancus | I didn't say it was *all* raid content. Just a very, very clear majority. |
| 21:59.58 | Adrine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-shaman&t=532462&p=1&tmp=1#post532462 |
| 22:00.06 | sancus | And that does make sense, because there was already plenty of non-raid content in the game. |
| 22:00.10 | Kirk|MrWiggles | damn you! |
| 22:00.12 | sancus | but almost no raid content |
| 22:00.14 | Kirk|MrWiggles | (adrine) |
| 22:00.39 | Kirk|MrWiggles | A whole page of 'ZOMG first!' :D |
| 22:00.54 | Adrine | Too slow, Kirk. Too slow. :D |
| 22:01.01 | Kirk|MrWiggles | sancus, I'm not disagreeing with you :) |
| 22:01.19 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Hmm, perhaps I should read it now ... |
| 22:01.55 | Adrine | Moving along to the second tier, you'll notice Earth's Grasp, a talent that increases the health of the Stoneclaw Totem by 50% and the radius of the Earthbind Totem by 20%, for a mere two points. |
| 22:01.59 | Adrine | Screw shaman. Seriously. |
| 22:02.07 | Adrine | Second tier 20% increase on earthbind. |
| 22:02.08 | Adrine | Screw shaman. |
| 22:02.15 | wereHamster | Adrine, the thread is: 'first', 'first', 'first page', 'nice', 'first', sweet' .. =-O |
| 22:02.29 | wereHamster | oh.. and 'reserved' |
| 22:02.37 | Adrine | Earthbind is the worst thing ever ;_; |
| 22:02.39 | Kirk|MrWiggles | It's quite a big review! |
| 22:02.43 | Adrine | (I play alliance, in case you can't tell.) |
| 22:03.23 | Miravlix_ | The final tier 2 talent available is completely new -- Elemental Warding. For three points this talent will reduce damage taken from Fire, Frost and Nature effects by 10%. |
| 22:04.06 | Miravlix_ | Hmm, Shammies will take less damage in certain encounters. |
| 22:04.56 | Adrine | Elemental Weapons (3 points): Increases attack power bonus of Rockbiter by 20%, Windfury by 40% and damage of Flametongue/Frostbrand by 15%. |
| 22:04.56 | Adrine | ....holy crap |
| 22:05.21 | Elviso | i'm seeing lots of buffs |
| 22:05.27 | cladhaire | lots of buffs. |
| 22:05.28 | Adrine | 931 attack power windfury. |
| 22:05.30 | cladhaire | dont see anything missing. |
| 22:05.31 | Adrine | Hoooly crap. |
| 22:05.32 | Kirk|MrWiggles | lots of buffs. |
| 22:05.41 | Shadowd | I don't see any changes to how totems are done though |
| 22:05.51 | Kirk|MrWiggles | "Windfury Weapon - Attack power bonus reduced." |
| 22:05.54 | Adrine | Ooh. |
| 22:06.03 | Adrine | Ok. Maybe I can live with it. >_> |
| 22:06.16 | Elviso | Stormstrike on a 20s cooldown? lawl |
| 22:06.29 | Adrine | (Being outmeleed by a shaman thanks to windfury procs is embarrassing) |
| 22:06.38 | Miravlix_ | Ugh, better reincarnation |
| 22:06.45 | Miravlix_ | Thats going to be annoying |
| 22:07.06 | Elviso | depends on how they spec though. they can get +40% to WF and then +10% to all melee dmg in enhancement |
| 22:07.07 | Miravlix_ | Atleast when the reincarnated now they where a 1 hit kill |
| 22:07.15 | Elviso | WF might be stronger than before if spec'd that way |
| 22:07.21 | sancus | eh adrine |
| 22:07.27 | sancus | shaman melee dps is horrible |
| 22:07.43 | sancus | its cute in pvp because of the bursts, but in actual sustained dps conditions in pve(raid or not) |
| 22:07.49 | sancus | its like.. not even top 20 damage meters bad |
| 22:07.57 | Shadowd | Unless they lowered the AP by a lot, I don't see how it's going to make it in line with other weapon enchants anyway |
| 22:07.59 | Adrine | Sustained is bad, sure. |
| 22:08.00 | Kirk|MrWiggles | "Combat Endurance, Eventide and Improved Lesser Healing Wave have been removed from the game completely, keeping Captain Placeholder company. " |
| 22:08.05 | Adrine | But PVP is all about burst. :) |
| 22:08.06 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Captain Placeholder!!! |
| 22:08.08 | sancus | yeah |
| 22:08.19 | sancus | but shaman burst pvp dps is uncontrollable |
| 22:08.24 | Shadowd | yeah |
| 22:08.33 | sancus | and still isn't as good as a warrior |
| 22:08.48 | sancus | doesnt even live in the same area code as a dagger rogue |
| 22:08.49 | Shadowd | Played one on the test server for a couple of days, It was fun watching Windfury and stormstrike popping up at the same time and one shotting someone with a SOTF, but it wasn't really effective |
| 22:09.52 | Miravlix_ | God whats with all the idiots posting nothing |
| 22:10.55 | Cairenn | yeah, that's new ... /roll eyes |
| 22:11.00 | Elviso | welcome to wow |
| 22:11.11 | sancus | ugh |
| 22:11.24 | sancus | welp, totems still suck pretty bad |
| 22:11.32 | Shadowd | thats the first thing i noticed |
| 22:11.36 | Adrine | I just try to be thankful for the idiots. They make me look better. Except when I'm an idiot too. ;) |
| 22:11.42 | sancus | jerks |
| 22:11.47 | sancus | +5 yards as a Tier 3 restoration talent? |
| 22:11.53 | sancus | that's borderline insulting |
| 22:12.44 | Adrine | 5 yard radius is a 10-yard overall increase |
| 22:12.54 | Adrine | *shrug* |
| 22:14.53 | sancus | thats beside the point |
| 22:15.02 | sancus | it still leaves totems a useless joke compared to pally blessings |
| 22:15.17 | sancus | they buffed the hell out of shaman in pvp though |
| 22:15.19 | sancus | major pvp shaman buff |
| 22:16.58 | Elviso | EQDKP 'sploit going around: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-dungeons&t=505505&p=1&tmp=1#post505505 |
| 22:17.32 | Adrine | Ouch. |
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| 22:51.34 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Not got Mr Wiggles yet :( |
| 22:52.03 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Gotta love the Auberdine / Theramore fp |
| 22:54.29 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Does anyone know a way to play files in a partially downloaded bittorrent folder? It just gives me 'file not found' errors |
| 22:55.02 | Adrine | Bittorrent files generally arne't playable until fully downloaded |
| 22:55.07 | Adrine | Since the bittorrent model downloads random pieces. |
| 22:55.29 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Oddly, doesn't seem to be for me |
| 22:55.48 | Kirk|MrWiggles | One each of my three enterprise downloads, the first files have been completed |
| 22:56.12 | Kirk|MrWiggles | One of them even has a thumbnail image |
| 23:12.35 | groll | Cairenn if you happen to see that dev u know tell him i wanna blow up blizz hq kinda.. i'm totally furious and yes i'm a shaman |
| 23:12.38 | groll | baaah |
| 23:12.54 | groll | this review totally blows.. if ur not elemental pvp shammy that is |
| 23:13.24 | groll | now sleep.. or try to that is |
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| 23:16.37 | Cairenn | groll: will tell him |
| 23:17.00 | groll | thanks, and sorry if i'm a bit harsh but i'm really fed up |
| 23:17.11 | groll | they havent listened to one single word we have said :( |
| 23:17.27 | groll | and i'm thiiiiise close to just packing my bags and leaving for another game :/ |
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| 23:26.26 | Osagasu | I am saddened. :< |
| 23:26.55 | Osagasu | It seems like they're changing the Shaman class more than the mage class, even though they've said they consider shamans the most balanced class |
| 23:27.48 | Osagasu | I'll have to see Tseric's comprehensive changes post today or tomorrow to be sure, though |
| 23:28.48 | Kirov | I was thinking about that too |
| 23:29.29 | Adrine | It doesn't seem they're changing shaman at all |
| 23:29.34 | Adrine | Just kinda buffing what's there. |
| 23:30.00 | Osagasu | they've removed few talents and added just as many. |
| 23:30.32 | Osagasu | Mages got what, two new talents? |
| 23:31.03 | Adrine | The changes to mages will heavily impact mage playstyles, I think |
| 23:31.10 | Adrine | Not necessarily so much with shaman, for good or bad. |
| 23:33.04 | Osagasu | I count 12 new shaman talents. I really don't blame them for that many, I know that most of the shaman trees were linear |
| 23:34.56 | cladhaire | 12 new talents? I didn't count that many |
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| 23:37.45 | Osagasu | I might have been off by 1 or 2 |
| 23:43.55 | Osagasu | From Elemental: Earth's Grasp, Elemental Warding, Eye of the Storm, Storm Reach, Elemental Devastation; From Enhancement: Guardian Totems, Enhancing Totems, Improved Weapon Totems, Elemental Weapons, Weapon Mastery; From Restoration: Nature's Guidance, Healing Focus, Totemic Mastery, Healing Grace, Restorative Totems, Healing Way |
| 23:44.06 | Osagasu | so, 16. |
| 23:44.36 | Osagasu | I realize that several of those are combos of old talents, or probably renames. |
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| 23:52.02 | Kirk|MrWiggles | Mr Wiggles is making odd baby-like noises at me! |
