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| 00:03.14 | kremonte | hm, easiest way to get language? |
| 00:03.17 | Tem | Iriel: is the source code for the things in the java library available anywhere? |
| 00:03.22 | kremonte | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME.defaultLanguage? |
| 00:04.11 | Iriel | Tem: Err, not really, but there's a gnu classpath project that's trying to create implementations of everything from scratcvh |
| 00:04.22 | Iriel | Java disassemblers are available also |
| 00:04.28 | Tem | bleh |
| 00:04.29 | Tem | why not? |
| 00:05.17 | Iriel | it's not open source |
| 00:05.21 | Iriel | (yet?) |
| 00:06.04 | Tem | why did I think it was |
| 00:06.47 | Tem | regardless, I'm implementing the SortedSet interface and I'm trying to figure out the "most standard" way to do this |
| 00:07.09 | Tem | I guess I'll poke around the net for something |
| 00:09.36 | Tem | arg, this is confusing me. I'm using generic types and I'm hitting a rather confusing path. For an item to exist in my Set it must do one of 2 things |
| 00:09.48 | Tem | 1: Implement the Comparable interface |
| 00:10.04 | Tem | 2: provide an object that implements the Comparator interface |
| 00:10.41 | Tem | so I can't just say <E implements Comparable> |
| 00:10.51 | Tem | because it might not... |
| 00:11.21 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.52 | Tem | "All elements inserted into an sorted set must implement the Comparable interface (or be accepted by the specified Comparator)" |
| 00:12.01 | Iriel | Oh, doh |
| 00:12.18 | Iriel | I believe the standard implementation chokes at runtime |
| 00:12.25 | Tem | ew |
| 00:12.40 | Iriel | You'd use generics to narrow down what you'd allow in it |
| 00:12.45 | Iriel | but that's more for things like |
| 00:12.54 | Iriel | TemSortedSet<String> |
| 00:13.13 | Iriel | Afterall the compiler has no way of knowing at compile time what your comparator will support |
| 00:13.54 | Tem | yeah, so it's up to the comparator to throw an UnsupportedTypeException or somesuch |
| 00:15.14 | Iriel | Or a ClassCastException |
| 00:15.27 | Iriel | depending on what your comparator does |
| 00:15.35 | Tem | yeah, that's what the docs suggest |
| 00:16.18 | Kirkburn | You guys never cease to amaze me ... I still don't understand what you're saying half the time :) |
| 00:16.38 | Kirkburn | ("half the time" is a severe understatement) |
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| 00:17.08 | Wobin_ | Kirkburn: I often just skim over it and just be happy that as long as -they- understand what they're on about, all will be right with the world =) |
| 00:17.21 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 00:18.25 | Wobin_ | http://antiotter.livejournal.com/144625.html |
| 00:18.30 | Wobin_ | ... |
| 00:20.38 | Kirkburn | Scary isn't it |
| 00:26.43 | kaiden | that happened to me once.. but it was my mom shooting the gun and i wasn't playing games and she didn't miss *pats the air around where ear used to be* .. needless to say i wont disobey no more :( |
| 00:26.47 | kaiden | *laugh* j/k |
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| 00:29.28 | Tem | Iriel: mind decoding some compiler warning stuff? |
| 00:29.50 | Tem | "The cast from T to Comparable<T> is actually checking against the erased type |
| 00:29.51 | Tem | Comparable" -- what does that mean? |
| 00:29.58 | Tem | d'oh |
| 00:30.13 | Stylpe | Hey, is anyone here applying to a project in Google's Summer of Code? |
| 00:30.33 | Tem | I've been thinking about it, but haven't made a decision |
| 00:30.40 | Tem | seems like it'd be fun |
| 00:30.53 | Stylpe | I'm thinking about this idea: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE%20Google%20SoC%202006%20ideas#id203667 |
| 00:31.16 | Stylpe | The "Teamwork Mode" |
| 00:31.55 | wereHamster | http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/5803/lp2wy.png .. I need to work out the sorting priorities (eg. if MpCH is same, sort by TpCA? or maybe CsRC?) .. |
| 00:32.13 | Iriel | Tem: Can you include the code? |
| 00:33.02 | Tem | http://pastebin.ca/53809 |
| 00:33.17 | Tem | comp is the private comparator instance |
| 00:33.42 | Tem | whoops |
| 00:33.44 | Tem | that's wrong |
| 00:34.04 | Tem | http://pastebin.ca/53810 |
| 00:35.40 | wereHamster | .. it's very easy to specify the sort priorities: table.sort(tbl, function(e1, e2) return sortCallback(e1, e2, { "MsRC", "TsRC", "CsRC" }) end) :) I just need to know what makes sense for profiling |
| 00:36.07 | kaiden | werehamster, well.... what exactly is it? :P |
| 00:37.07 | Iriel | Tem is it a generics issue, should that in fact be (Comparable<T>) ? |
| 00:37.16 | Tem | I tried that |
| 00:37.20 | Tem | and it gave a different warning |
| 00:37.40 | Tem | Type safety: The cast from T to Comparable<T> is actually checking against the erased type Comparable |
| 00:38.12 | Tem | I just don't know what they mean by it |
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| 00:46.56 | netcurse | No möre gold ads on curse read here http://www.curse-gaming.com/ :) |
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| 00:49.15 | Anduin|Coma | fight the power! |
| 00:50.39 | Iriel | Tem: Unfortunately I've not played with java 1.5 a whole lot so i've not seen the full joy of generics error messaging |
| 00:50.59 | Anduin|Coma | generics hurts my head |
| 00:51.06 | Anduin|Coma | but they did try.. |
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| 00:51.44 | Tem | Iriel: it's not really an error message, it's a warning-- something I'm used to ignoring in other languages. But until I have more experience in java, I don't want to ignore warnings |
| 00:52.06 | Anduin|Coma | if you ignore it your program wont work the way you want it to |
| 00:52.18 | Tem | that's what I fear |
| 00:52.25 | Anduin|Coma | but it doesn't know what you want so it can't be more informative |
| 00:53.16 | Tem | the whole thing could be solved by me saying that anything that wishes to exist in my set must implement comparable |
| 00:53.41 | Tem | but then I'm not implementing the SortedSet interface... |
| 00:54.42 | Iriel | Tem: I suspect what it's telling you is that the compiler can't guarantee that conversion |
| 00:54.59 | Iriel | Given the way generics actually get executed |
| 00:55.44 | Iriel | Does it whine if you do |
| 00:55.54 | Iriel | ((Comparable)((Object)T))) |
| 00:56.08 | Iriel | I'm just curious, not suggesting you should code it that way, necessarily 8-) |
| 00:56.59 | Tem | yes, it still complains |
| 00:58.48 | Tem | bleh, screw this |
| 00:58.52 | Iriel | Cast to Comparable<?> |
| 00:59.05 | Iriel | (So says google's hit) |
| 00:59.36 | Tem | well, it doesn't complain about the cast |
| 00:59.44 | Tem | but my method call is no longer valid |
| 01:00.04 | Iriel | Bah |
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| 01:00.09 | Tem | bah indeed |
| 01:00.23 | Tem | there are other complications to implementing this interface |
| 01:00.31 | Tem | it's not worth the effort |
| 01:00.38 | Iriel | I think it's basically because your cast can't verify that T implements comparable |
| 01:00.43 | Iriel | so I think you can safely ignore the warning |
| 01:01.06 | Iriel | but I agree that it would be nice to have a language construct in which the warning would not be necessary |
| 01:01.33 | Tem | my professor won't notice that I put extra effort into this project just like he didn't notice the extra work I put into every other project |
| 01:02.43 | Iriel | I got marked DOWN once for doing too much to solve an assignment |
| 01:03.04 | Iriel | from that point on I tried not to SUBMIT something too complex unless I knew the teacher would appreciate it |
| 01:03.14 | Tem | yeah... |
| 01:03.19 | Tem | they didn't care for my OperatorFactory |
| 01:03.46 | Tem | actually, in it's final version it was a TokenRegistry / TreeNodeFactory |
| 01:08.23 | Kirkburn | netcurse, that's good news :) |
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| 01:31.38 | Kirkburn | *Spell fails* |
| 01:32.09 | Codayus | hmm |
| 01:37.34 | Kirkburn | How to ding in style: http://nefding.ytmnd.com/ |
| 01:38.31 | Codayus | that's awesome |
| 01:39.07 | Kirkburn | Especially if you think a lvl 59 was in BWL :s |
| 01:39.12 | Codayus | Exactly |
| 01:39.37 | Kirkburn | Doesn't even have any big buffs on him :S |
| 01:47.58 | Codayus | Okay, *very* random and OT question - I need a way to calculate the distance (by sea) between two ports. (In real life.) Anybody got an idea? :-) |
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| 01:50.14 | Iriel | TIme to go home! |
| 01:50.29 | Iriel | Codayus : Look up the algorithm on the internet |
| 01:50.41 | Iriel | Codayus : Assuming it's a straight line there are formulae for this |
| 01:51.16 | Codayus | Iriel: Heh, it's a bit trickier - can't sail through a landmass. :-/ |
| 01:51.18 | Iriel | Codayus : If it's a math problem with a spherical earth, then consider angle subtended on a circumference that intersects both ports |
| 01:51.28 | Kirkburn | In real life? Use a map? |
| 01:51.34 | Iriel | Codayus : Ah, then you'll need an accurate coastal model |
| 01:51.40 | Codayus | *cry* |
| 01:51.47 | Kemayo | I'm with Kirkburn here. Anything that you do is going to boil down to "checking a map". |
| 01:51.49 | Kirkburn | What kind fo distance are we talking here? |
| 01:52.06 | Kirkburn | Something like the english channel, a map should suffice |
| 01:52.52 | Kemayo | There isn't anything like a how-long-left-on-this-taxi-ride function, is there? |
| 01:53.02 | Kirkburn | Only via addons |
| 01:53.11 | Codayus | Hmmm, writing a cargo ship/trading game for a class, and I just realized I need to know travel time between ports. :-) |
| 01:53.45 | Kirkburn | Oh, for a real life class? |
| 01:53.49 | Codayus | Unfortunatly, I forgot I'd need to know that, and my schedule doesn't have remotely enough room for writing a pathfinding algorithm across the globe. :-( |
| 01:53.49 | Kirkburn | Like, with pupils? |
| 01:53.54 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 01:54.03 | Kirkburn | I still say, use a map |
| 01:54.25 | Kirkburn | There are electronic ones with distance measuring fuctions |
| 01:54.43 | Codayus | Kirkburn: Link? :-) |
| 01:55.02 | Codayus | Maybe I'll just take a globe, a piece of string, guesstimate some numbers, and stick them in a table... |
| 01:55.05 | Kirkburn | Well, the encarta one has it, but I haven't looked for a while |
| 01:55.13 | Kirkburn | And yeah using a globe isn't a bad idea |
| 01:56.13 | Kirkburn | Use Google Earth! |
| 01:56.28 | Codayus | Ideally I'd have a function calcDistance("New York", "Los Angeles") and it spits out the distance between the two via the panama canal... |
| 01:56.35 | Codayus | Oh well, time to move to a " |
| 01:56.40 | Codayus | non ideal" solution. :-D |
| 01:57.16 | Kirkburn | Google Earth has measurements, and you can probably find a Google Maps version that will do what you need |
| 01:58.03 | Kirkburn | You'll always have trouble with it because boats don't take the shortest route |
| 01:58.14 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 01:58.57 | Codayus | Hmm, asked the same question on a different channel. 30s later they're deep in a discussion of the proper weapon mix a freighter would need to be able to sail safely near Somalia. |
| 01:59.18 | Codayus | Current topic: "Would you need satchel charges as well as LAWS, or would the LAWS be sufficient?" |
| 01:59.25 | Codayus | Kind of disturbing. oO |
| 01:59.49 | Kirkburn | In answer to your example it's about 10,500 km using straight lines |
| 02:00.04 | Kirkburn | and LOL |
| 02:00.43 | Kirkburn | Anyways, I'm off to bed |
| 02:00.58 | Codayus | I'm not quite sure how you get from "algorithms to calculate shortest sailing distance between two ports" to "yeah, a .50 cal machine gun would help, but you'd really want a cutless. you know...for traditions sake"... |
| 02:01.08 | Codayus | Bye Kirkburn. :-) |
| 02:01.19 | Kirkburn | Night night |
| 02:01.32 | Kirkburn | Cutlass ftw |
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| 02:02.25 | ToastTheif | yay! |
| 02:02.30 | ToastTheif | got my profile working |
| 02:08.32 | Anduin|Coma | oi... yes.. too much lua... just tried to compile java with a ~= instead of a != |
| 02:13.17 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:18.00 | MentalPower | I just tried doing the same in perl |
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| 02:19.22 | norganna | Anduin|Coma: Are you really comatose? |
| 02:19.35 | Anduin|Coma | can't you tell? |
| 02:20.02 | Anduin|Coma | I thought it was readily apparent that I had 'special' abilities |
| 02:21.24 | norganna | kk |
| 02:21.48 | norganna | one thing I noticed about Localization |
| 02:22.06 | norganna | it doesn't let you specify additional languages? |
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| 02:22.32 | norganna | (at least I didn't see it in the docs, i haven't downloaded the source though) |
| 02:24.17 | Anduin|Coma | You can add as many locales as you want, they'll just show up as the locale string in the menu. I need to make some way to add localizations for locales, or just include them all and not show them unless they're used |
| 02:25.11 | Anduin|Coma | but you don't really need to worry about that to add them |
| 02:26.53 | Anduin|Coma | in actuallity tho If you wanted to add another locale you could make another localization.xx.lua and toss it in the Localization folder, then add it to the load list in Localization.xml and it would ad it to the list automaticly |
| 02:27.12 | norganna | er |
| 02:27.44 | Anduin|Coma | it would ad it to the dropdown menu automaticly* |
| 02:28.24 | norganna | something like: Localization:AddLocale("krKR", "Korean"); |
| 02:28.40 | Anduin|Coma | it's not that simple tho |
| 02:28.49 | norganna | why not?? :P |
| 02:29.23 | Anduin|Coma | cause the localization file has a localized string for each known locale and strings for the selection frame |
| 02:30.02 | Anduin|Coma | ok, for you the coder, trying to use Localization in an addon, you don't need to worry about it |
| 02:30.30 | norganna | sounds sucky |
| 02:30.45 | Anduin|Coma | just RegisterAddonStrings as if the locale were already known |
| 02:31.00 | Anduin|Coma | in your own files |
| 02:31.09 | norganna | ok |
| 02:31.40 | norganna | so Localization is going to have to (ahead of time) know every single language that wil be needed? |
| 02:32.26 | Anduin|Coma | not necissarily, but if it doesn't know it before hand the selection frame wont localize itself |
| 02:32.48 | Anduin|Coma | but the dropdown menu will happily show "krKR" in its place |
| 02:33.00 | Anduin|Coma | defaulting to client localization for the frame |
| 02:33.27 | Anduin|Coma | or addon default in this case because I haven't added in korean strings yet |
| 02:33.48 | Anduin|Coma | which you've probably set to english |
| 02:34.10 | norganna | no worries, once we get localizer up, localizing Localization will be recursive :P |
| 02:34.20 | Anduin|Coma | right, that's the idea |
| 02:34.59 | norganna | Imho, the localizer dialog shouldn't appear in local language however |
| 02:35.05 | Anduin|Coma | the menu's actually missleading atm cause it assumes addons will have german and french and english |
| 02:35.41 | Anduin|Coma | i need to update it to ignore any languages other that the client, and languages used by implimenting addons |
| 02:35.54 | norganna | it should be "English", "Deutche", "François" |
| 02:36.06 | netcurse | francois? |
| 02:36.07 | netcurse | lol |
| 02:36.22 | Anduin|Coma | possibly, but the way it's set up now it translates once you sellect one |
| 02:36.24 | netcurse | francais |
| 02:36.27 | netcurse | :) |
| 02:36.31 | Anduin|Coma | and defaults to client locale |
| 02:36.35 | norganna | i guess that causes some problems with korean, since the english client simply doesn't have the necessary glyphs |
| 02:37.05 | MentalPower | theres a problem when you get to the asian languages with that norgs, as you'll have an empty option since the Europe/US games don't support the asian character set |
| 02:37.06 | norganna | netcurse: :P - sorry if i offended any frenchies :D |
| 02:37.17 | Anduin|Coma | besides, I'm sure you should be able to pick out the language you want from the client locale |
| 02:37.19 | netcurse | no problem ;> |
| 02:37.21 | norganna | MentalPower: snap |
| 02:37.37 | Anduin|Coma | :P |
| 02:37.40 | Anduin|Coma | i win |
| 02:38.09 | MentalPower | you "could" show something like LocaleInNativeLanguage (Locale in Engish) |
| 02:38.21 | norganna | too difficult |
| 02:38.23 | MentalPower | so it could be like "Español (Spanish)" |
| 02:38.30 | norganna | anduin's way is fine |
| 02:38.41 | norganna | oh, i see |
| 02:39.03 | norganna | anyhow - not my problem |
| 02:39.15 | Anduin|Coma | you can do that too, that's just a matter of changing the localized strings, not the formatting |
| 02:40.35 | Anduin|Coma | norg, do you have a way to revert changes on your localizer? |
| 02:41.27 | norganna | hmmm - not to revert per-se, but it does have a "history" so you can kinda copy'n'paste the old entry back in. |
| 02:41.36 | Anduin|Coma | k |
| 02:41.57 | Miravlix | No one has written a PHP to SVN interface? |
| 02:42.07 | Anduin|Coma | not a good one |
| 02:42.11 | norganna | it wouldn't be that hard to add if it became a problem I don't think... |
| 02:42.19 | Anduin|Coma | there's a couple |
| 02:42.40 | Anduin|Coma | but i'm not here so i cant talk any more, as you can see i'm in a work coma |
| 02:43.28 | norganna | anduin is in a coma after fixing auctioneer last night MentalPower |
| 02:43.52 | Miravlix | heh, Auc was fine |
| 02:44.03 | Miravlix | It was others that broke because of it. |
| 02:44.09 | Anduin|Coma | 'fine' == bugged |
| 02:44.24 | MentalPower | was that the reason for the dropdown thingy change I saw on the SVN? |
| 02:44.35 | Anduin|Coma | yes |
| 02:44.47 | Anduin|Coma | it ate my dropdown buttons |
| 02:45.06 | MentalPower | fun |
| 02:45.47 | norganna | Anduin|Coma: btw, scrubber recieved some very positive feedback from the general forums: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8166731 |
| 02:46.00 | Anduin|Coma | i know, i read |
| 02:46.05 | Anduin|Coma | like i told you it would |
| 02:46.08 | Anduin|Coma | :P |
| 02:46.08 | norganna | :D |
| 03:00.26 | Kemayo | The taxi functions really aren't as comprehensive as one might like, are they? |
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| 03:04.04 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 03:04.36 | Kemayo | Evening. |
| 03:05.37 | Cairenn | hi Esamynn |
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| 03:21.22 | Kaelten | ello |
| 03:23.24 | Esamynn | lol, omg, I'm just now looking at a thread that someone who quit our guild in a huff posted, it's hillarious! |
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| 03:37.32 | sancus | link pls! |
| 03:38.43 | Esamynn | lol, you really want to see the drama? :P (It's not really that exciting) |
| 03:40.07 | Cairenn | sure |
| 03:40.28 | Cairenn | like I haven't had enough drama already the last couple days, why not some more |
| 03:41.10 | Esamynn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-dragonblight&t=111166&p=1&tmp=1#post111166 The video is of our first Huharan kill |
| 03:42.04 | Esamynn | it's actually a pretty decent go at stirring the pot |
| 03:44.29 | sancus | huhu is so _february_ 2006 :P |
| 03:45.14 | Esamynn | pft! |
| 03:45.15 | sancus | "Aventasia and Revelations did talk about a merger. The problem was guild name. Understandably, both wanted to retain their name. A vote was held in Revelations, the consensus was to continue with our current name and guild. " |
| 03:45.17 | sancus | lolol |
| 03:45.24 | sancus | should've named it Aventasian Revelation |
| 03:45.30 | Esamynn | lol |
| 03:46.12 | Esamynn | our major problem with Huhu was finding NR, we never get to the Green dragons (only been able to get to fight them about 5 times) |
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| 03:48.26 | sancus | roofle |
| 03:48.33 | sancus | what happens when you wipe there? You all run back ? :p |
| 03:49.10 | Esamynn | have you done the fight sancus? |
| 03:49.16 | Cairenn | sancus: remember the line ... |
| 03:49.58 | Esamynn | and no, we're specifically close enough to the entrance that we can rez, although running back doesn't actually take that long :P |
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| 03:52.08 | Cairenn | Anduin|Coma: might want to look to your channel |
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| 03:53.14 | Esamynn | sigh, where's the dino so I can beat him over the head for runing my attempt at subtly.... ;) |
| 03:53.39 | norganna | Sounds like typical guild politics |
| 03:54.25 | Esamynn | yah, more or less, I found it amusing anyways |
| 03:54.26 | sancus | Really? Shitty low quality video |
| 03:54.34 | sancus | doesnt look like it's close enough for you to rez |
| 03:54.41 | sancus | Though maybe while she's pathed away |
| 03:54.56 | sancus | your whole guild wasnt wearing NR, right? |
| 03:55.00 | Esamynn | no |
| 03:55.41 | Esamynn | but getting those 15-18 people with 300+ buffed NR is not an easy thing to do without Green Dragon loot |
| 03:55.51 | Esamynn | you give up a TON of stats |
| 03:56.54 | sancus | oh they dont need 300+, most of ours had 200 unbuffed, with about 2-3 at 170-180 when we killed her first |
| 03:57.06 | sancus | and yeah i've done it many times, we killed cthun last week |
| 03:57.22 | Kirov | We're stuck at huhuran right now. |
| 03:57.39 | sancus | your dps is incredibly low, is all |
| 03:57.48 | sancus | I'm staggered by how long you keep those people up, heh |
| 03:57.51 | Kirov | We've been able to get past her with out any issues for the last month+, and this week we just can't get that las 4% |
| 03:58.18 | Esamynn | Huhu went down much quicker this week |
| 03:58.33 | sancus | our first kill we did 30%->0% in 60 seconds |
| 03:58.33 | Esamynn | and with a LOT more ppl alive! :) |
| 03:58.50 | sancus | but not much choice |
| 03:58.50 | Esamynn | oh hell, we're always under 60 seconds for the last 30% |
| 03:59.08 | Esamynn | it's over by 60 seconds |
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| 04:00.18 | sancus | er it looks longer than that there |
| 04:00.28 | sancus | if this shitty youtube would stop cutting out ;p |
| 04:03.10 | Esamynn | whoa, I wasn't there that night, it was 1:25 from 30% to dead, that is low dps |
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| 04:06.01 | sancus | have you guys killed twin emps yet? |
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| 04:07.28 | Esamynn | heh, a couple initial attempts last week is all we've done on them |
| 04:07.39 | sancus | ah |
| 04:08.01 | Esamynn | you know Aeyrim, the one who got yelled at? guess what Mage spell he used during the first try? ;) |
| 04:08.04 | sancus | one of the best encounters in the zone imo |
| 04:08.20 | sancus | I turned off the sound ;p |
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| 04:08.31 | Esamynn | haha |
| 04:08.32 | sancus | I have no idea, what mage spell? |
| 04:08.38 | Esamynn | Frost Nova :( |
| 04:08.46 | Esamynn | after being told about 8 times, NO AOE |
| 04:08.51 | sancus | roofle |
| 04:09.03 | sancus | I guess he didnt know that the bugs are immune to it anyway. |
| 04:09.04 | Esamynn | I was outside at the time |
| 04:09.20 | sancus | but not immune to the damage |
| 04:09.33 | Esamynn | he's our mage that we are considering forcing to spec Frost (for ice block) |
| 04:09.46 | sancus | haha why does he need ice block? |
| 04:09.55 | Kemayo | I would like to expose my ignorance and ask: "NR"? |
| 04:10.01 | sancus | nature resist |
| 04:10.03 | Esamynn | oh I don't know, something about always pull agro |
| 04:10.07 | Kemayo | Ah, thanks. :) |
| 04:10.09 | sancus | oh, well |
| 04:10.13 | Esamynn | s/pull/pulling/ |
| 04:10.19 | sancus | ice block is not a de-aggro. |
| 04:10.35 | sancus | If he pulls aggro on fights with de-aggros, it might not even help. |
| 04:10.59 | Esamynn | yah we know that, but we bug him about it :) |
| 04:11.07 | sancus | best is to make him spec arcane subtlety and use arcane missiles for at least 30% of his damage and then he should be alright |
| 04:11.14 | Esamynn | since he always complains when he dies..... |
| 04:11.34 | sancus | well I pull aggro quite a bit(I'm a mage) :P |
| 04:11.47 | sancus | I dont usually complain when I die though, and I have ice block |
| 04:11.58 | Esamynn | don't get me wrong, he knows what he's doing, he's just .......... overzealous at times |
| 04:12.07 | sancus | I can't even imagine raiding right now as fire spec |
| 04:12.19 | sancus | ice's block too nice |
| 04:12.22 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 04:12.38 | Esamynn | what do you think of the mage talents? |
| 04:12.46 | sancus | we have one fire spec mage, most of the time all the frost mages outdamage him anyhow |
| 04:13.46 | sancus | I like them, they're better than I expected |
| 04:14.03 | sancus | new arcane subtlety is particularly interesting |
| 04:14.19 | sancus | There's a lot of whining, which, personally, I hope continues in full force! |
| 04:14.34 | sancus | Because if everyone thinks they suck there's less likelihood that Blizzard will renege on some of the buffs. |
| 04:15.08 | Esamynn | whining, BIG SURPRISE </sarcasim> |
| 04:15.21 | Esamynn | I mean jeez, DRUIDS are whining about Innervate |
| 04:15.33 | Esamynn | <-- Druid from release |
| 04:16.24 | sancus | they're whining about getting their single best ability in the whole game for free? :P |
| 04:16.36 | Esamynn | they are |
| 04:16.43 | sancus | well I suppose I shouldnt be surprised |
| 04:16.53 | Esamynn | some are anyways |
| 04:17.06 | sancus | mages are getting evocation and iae for free which is 6 talent points worth of junk and all sorts of other good talents are cheaper |
| 04:17.25 | sancus | and they're still whining just because we didnt receive any major straight-up buffs, though why anyone expected any when we're perfectly fine, I dont know. |
| 04:17.27 | Esamynn | what I want is details about Swift Heal :( |
| 04:18.04 | sancus | The only real complaints I have is I wonder where the Arcane Missiles buff Tseric promised is, because if there isnt one then they may as well remove the spell from the class, no one will be casting it in 1.11 ever |
| 04:18.14 | sancus | And winter's chill(the new tier 6 frost talent) is kind of bad |
| 04:18.32 | Esamynn | which one is that? |
| 04:18.41 | Esamynn | ie. what does it do? |
| 04:18.51 | Esamynn | I read them, but I can't remember all the details |
| 04:19.06 | sancus | 5 talent points, 20/40/60/80/100% chance you debuff the target increasing the crit rate of frost spells on the target by 1%, stacking up to 5% |
| 04:19.13 | sancus | on casting a frost spell |
| 04:19.17 | sancus | basically shadow weaving for frost |
| 04:19.22 | sancus | except 5% crit instead of 15% damage |
| 04:19.45 | Esamynn | thats not that bad |
| 04:19.57 | sancus | 5% crit that takes up a debuff slot is pathetically bad when you can get 3% crit and 3% damage from the arcane tree, which is better period, for only 3 talent points |
| 04:20.05 | sancus | no it's really, really, really bad :P |
| 04:20.25 | sancus | Curse of Elements/Shadow provide 10%, shadow weaving is 15%, even Improved Scorch is 10% damage, and it's like tier 3 fire and only costs 3 pts |
| 04:20.36 | Esamynn | it increases the crit rate for just you, or everyone? |
| 04:20.38 | sancus | out of all the damage increasing debuffs in the game, it's the most expensive and does half or less |
| 04:20.53 | sancus | everyone, but all of those things I mentioned increase damage for everyone too. |
| 04:21.05 | sancus | and 5% crit is equivalent to 5% damage |
| 04:21.10 | Esamynn | yah, you're right, I hadn't thought about it like that |
| 04:21.27 | sancus | it also takes up a debuff slot, which are at a premium these days |
| 04:21.39 | sancus | for a 5% damage increase on frost mages only, thats ... probably not justifiable |
| 04:21.58 | Esamynn | yes, you have a good point |
| 04:22.57 | sancus | the major reason anyone ever went that high in the frost tree in the first place, frostbite(15% chance to freeze target on-cast of any ice spell) |
| 04:23.09 | sancus | got moved down to like, tier 2 and only costs 3pts now instead of 5 :P |
| 04:23.27 | sancus | which is a humongous buff, especially for pvp, and makes me wonder why the heck they replaced it with this joke talent that nobody is gonna take |
| 04:24.15 | sancus | but honestly, every class has junk talents(hi2u moonkin!) |
| 04:24.22 | sancus | so its a minor complaint overall |
| 04:24.25 | Esamynn | jeez, I'm getting sleepy here |
| 04:24.55 | Esamynn | I will admit, I don't see very many Moonkin |
| 04:25.10 | sancus | thats because druids nuke badly |
| 04:25.12 | Anduin|Coma | lol, that's a first... thought my hw was due a day early |
| 04:25.14 | sancus | at best |
| 04:25.34 | sancus | if you chart the dps vs +dmg gear of all the nukes in the game |
| 04:25.44 | Anduin|Coma | got it done 25+ hrs ahead of time :) |
| 04:25.51 | Esamynn | Anduin |
| 04:25.55 | Esamynn | Anduin: nice! :) |
| 04:25.58 | sancus | One of the things you see is that *everybody* outdamages frost mages straight off |
| 04:26.08 | sancus | even smite priests do |
| 04:26.14 | Esamynn | lol |
| 04:26.14 | Anduin|Coma | pallies? |
| 04:26.28 | sancus | pallies dont have any spammable nukes, they dont count |
| 04:26.36 | Anduin|Coma | I do pretty well on the dps charts |
| 04:26.39 | sancus | yet for some reason, a moonkin cannot outdps a frost mage straight up. |
| 04:26.46 | Anduin|Coma | with ym crit gear and rod of pwn |
| 04:26.51 | Esamynn | hold on, are you saying a Resto Druid could out nuke a Front Mage? |
| 04:26.54 | sancus | no |
| 04:26.59 | Esamynn | lol, good :P |
| 04:27.02 | sancus | druids are the exception, this is why moonkin suck |
| 04:27.10 | sancus | Wrath's dps even fully talented is below frostbolt's |
| 04:27.17 | sancus | and Starfire's is so horribly bad you can't even consider using it |
| 04:27.41 | sancus | But see, the reason frost mages are still going to outdamage shaman and priests |
| 04:27.54 | sancus | is because they have a billion ways to regain mana that neither of those classes have |
| 04:28.09 | sancus | Shaman's Lightning Bolt, talented, is by far the highest dps nuke in the game, nothing even remotely comes close |
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| 04:28.20 | sancus | but they have no mana regen so 1 minute and they're oom |
| 04:28.29 | Esamynn | was going to say... |
| 04:28.40 | sancus | thats what happens when you take a decent nuke |
| 04:28.43 | sancus | give it 100% crits |
| 04:28.47 | Esamynn | haha |
| 04:28.48 | sancus | and a -1s casting time adjustment |
| 04:28.53 | sancus | that last one is the big one |
| 04:28.57 | Esamynn | yep |
| 04:28.58 | sancus | nobody gets -1s except shaman |
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| 04:29.19 | Esamynn | yes, everyone is is -0.5 |
| 04:29.25 | Esamynn | else* |
| 04:29.39 | sancus | Moonkin are like shaman for mana regen, though having innervate helps some, its still not remotely close to a mage |
| 04:29.46 | sancus | Except they don't have a higher dps base nuke |
| 04:30.08 | sancus | so they have less dps than mages, and less mana regen. No reason to ever use one. |
| 04:30.28 | sancus | whereas warlocks, shaman, and priests(esp shadow priests) all have better dps than mages |
| 04:30.38 | sancus | but they can't keep up with mana regen |
| 04:30.39 | Esamynn | The aura just isn't enough to compensate |
| 04:30.52 | sancus | warlocks especially have a faustian bargain |
| 04:31.04 | sancus | life tap is nice, but every life tap is 1.5s you're not spending casting, and that completely destroys your dps |
| 04:31.06 | Anduin|Coma | it's a combo class, it's not sposed to be out dpsing a damage class |
| 04:31.18 | sancus | It's why a dot warlock beats a shadowbolt spam warlock every time in a raid |
| 04:31.43 | sancus | a warlock who maximizes his mana efficiency actually has very frightening damage |
| 04:31.56 | Anduin|Coma | you're still counting their worth entirely in damage over time |
| 04:31.58 | sancus | Anduin: You're missing the point, priests and shaman are both hybrids classes but they outdps mages straight up. |
| 04:32.16 | Anduin|Coma | not for the same ammount of time |
| 04:32.19 | sancus | yes |
| 04:32.23 | sancus | MUCH higher for the same amount of time, in fact |
| 04:32.31 | sancus | they have the disadvantage of extremely poor mana regen, though. |
| 04:32.43 | sancus | Moonkin have both low dps and poor mana regen, so they end up the worst of all "hybrids" |
| 04:34.03 | Anduin|Coma | it's not like you stay in 1 form the whole fight, that'd be like a warrior staying in the same stance, only happens if you're tanking or overpowered |
| 04:34.09 | sancus | you see very few shadow priests and shaman who gear properly to outdps mages though |
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| 04:34.36 | sancus | we are lucky to have one such shadow priest, and she is extremely scary when she's quaffing mana pots by the dozen, otherwise she can't break top 10 |
| 04:35.14 | Anduin|Coma | i can make 9 or 10 on my pally in mc |
| 04:35.18 | sancus | anduin: er that's fairly pointless, specialization is key in raids, multiple uses are worthless. |
| 04:35.52 | Esamynn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.53 | sancus | because you have so many people there's always someone specialized to do what you would do poorly |
| 04:36.10 | Anduin|Coma | course i'm not holy spec'd and i can make 3rd in healing too.. |
| 04:36.17 | sancus | its OK when what you do poorly has some "advantage" to it |
| 04:36.36 | sancus | like shadow priests and elemental shaman CAN outdps mages in the right situation, that's an advantage, and makes having them actually quite useful in some situations |
| 04:36.45 | sancus | But if they were just "weaker dps" there would be no good reason to have them in raid at all |
| 04:37.02 | Anduin|Coma | you could say the same about warriors.. |
| 04:37.09 | sancus | how so? |
| 04:37.32 | sancus | Warriors can be both the best tanks and the best dps in any given fight, they just can't switch roles mid-fight, which is fine because role switching midfight has no use |
| 04:38.38 | Esamynn | sancus: I'd beg to differ, i've prevented a wipe more than once because I was able to hang onto and tank that mob that no one else was available to take |
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| 04:39.47 | Esamynn | Roleswapping might fight is pointless only if everything goes according to plan |
| 04:39.47 | sancus | Sure, that's nice and all, but you can do that while you're specced for healing and you are, in fact, providing specialized healing in the first place. You don't build a strat around feral druids tanking because all your warriors died. |
| 04:39.57 | Anduin|Coma | norganna, were you makign more localizer changes or are you just waiting for sparkz? |
| 04:40.14 | sancus | It's a "nice to have", but not part of maximizing raid strength |
| 04:40.30 | Anduin|Coma | we were bored so we had a druid tank ony earlier this week |
| 04:40.56 | sancus | If you were trading off healing for the ability to do that, then that would be bad because when things DO go according to plan, and they should on all fights you expect to end in a kill, that potential's wasted, and you might need it for the raid to function right |
| 04:41.47 | Esamynn | you don't give much value to versatility and/or mid-fight adaptability do you? |
| 04:42.17 | sancus | no major raid guild does because those things don't get you kills first |
| 04:42.28 | Anduin|Coma | they need to make some 20 man instances that have randomized triggers... to test how good a group is at workign together in new environments |
| 04:42.32 | Cairenn | well well well, is it April 1st again? *checks her calendar* |
| 04:42.34 | Cairenn | http://www.sigil.com/sonypressrelease.html |
| 04:44.13 | sancus | im surprised soe wants it |
| 04:44.26 | sancus | from everything I've heard, and it's quite a bit, vanguard is terrible |
| 04:45.08 | sancus | Esamynn: It's a big deal because Brad built a lot of the Vanguard fanbase on SOE haters who think that his EQ was "the good" EQ and that SOE ruined it. |
| 04:45.36 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 04:45.37 | sancus | Now that he's going to co-publish with SOE, I'm sure its already causing a shitstorm in that community. |
| 04:45.48 | Esamynn | lol, I'd imagine so |
| 04:46.39 | Esamynn | hmm, back later |
| 04:46.47 | Cairenn | later Esa |
| 04:46.54 | sancus | bye bye |
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| 05:00.56 | Kaelten | anyone know what even fires when the pet training opens up? |
| 05:08.55 | norganna | Anduin|Coma: i'm in a bit of a coma myself |
| 05:09.21 | norganna | i spent way too much time last night working on scrubber |
| 05:09.27 | Anduin|Coma | :) |
| 05:10.23 | norganna | i'm just making some changes to the localization thing to make it a bit more admin-friendly (ie so you don't need to edit the database directly to promote developers etc |
| 05:11.04 | norganna | but now, im'a take a nap |
| 05:11.47 | Cairenn | enjoy norgs :) |
| 05:13.39 | Anduin|Coma | norganna> enjoy your nap, when you get a chance, make sure you have some sort of flag to represent weather it should be in the RegisterAddonStrings or RegisterGlobalAddonStrings table |
| 05:16.00 | MentalPower | night norganna |
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| 05:41.51 | MentalPower | good night folks |
| 05:42.46 | Cairenn | night MentalPower |
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| 06:07.18 | Kemayo | Any idea what the shortest, cheapest flight path in the game is? :) |
| 06:07.42 | Kirov | teldrassil - darkshore |
| 06:08.02 | Kemayo | Ah, yes, the free one. I forgot about that. |
| 06:08.04 | Kirov | 1 minute, 30 seconds, and free |
| 06:08.48 | Kirov | the IF - Thorium Point flight is 1:29, so just slightly shorter, but costs 7s |
| 06:09.21 | Kirov | southshore - chillwind is 1:27 |
| 06:09.41 | Kirov | arathi - aeirie is 1:13 |
| 06:10.00 | Kirov | Don't know about horde ones |
| 06:20.58 | Cairenn | horde side, shortest I can think of is probably the two in the Barrens |
| 06:22.20 | Kemayo | I'm setting for Teldrassil->Darkshore. I had a character right by there, and it's free. |
| 06:22.50 | Kemayo | (Flight times. Lots, and lots of flight times.) |
| 06:23.46 | Anduin|Coma | you did not just name that ToFu.. |
| 06:24.09 | Kemayo | It's the whole reason I wrote it. I thought of the name, and then tried to work out something that would fit it. |
| 06:24.20 | Anduin|Coma | wow.. |
| 06:24.50 | Kemayo | (I wrote one called "KungFu" for the same reason...) |
| 06:26.10 | Anduin|Coma | mother's day next week? |
| 06:27.37 | Cairenn | May 10 |
| 06:27.57 | Cairenn | err, no, 14 this year, I guess |
| 06:28.18 | Anduin|Coma | so next week |
| 06:28.44 | Tem | a week from sunday |
| 06:28.45 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 06:28.49 | Anduin|Coma | same thing |
| 06:29.56 | Anduin|Coma | next week >= 7 days away |
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| 06:30.30 | Anduin|Coma | don't try using that logic for months or i'll deny everything |
| 06:37.39 | Anduin|Coma | now... to convert Arch to use Localization... a daring more... a dangerous feat... |
| 06:37.53 | Anduin|Coma | it must be done! |
| 06:38.38 | Kemayo | For justice! |
| 06:38.48 | Kemayo | Sorry. I got caught up in the moment. |
| 06:41.01 | Miravlix | Heh, except when talking with us over here. A week start on Monday for us. |
| 06:43.02 | Miravlix | Modifying tocs is no fun if you forget to restert WoW. :) |
| 06:44.02 | sancus | Tem: Did you see the post that says Mastery of Elements works per-crit? :P |
| 06:44.10 | Tem | no, I didn't |
| 06:44.16 | sancus | So if you have shatter and blast wave, and you frost nova and then blast wave 10 targets |
| 06:44.19 | sancus | you get 210% mana back |
| 06:44.22 | Tem | wow |
| 06:44.24 | sancus | if you crit on 7 |
| 06:44.34 | Tem | that's pretty nice |
| 06:44.36 | sancus | and if you use combustion and flame strike you get LOTS OF MANA BACK |
| 06:44.45 | sancus | since it guarantees 3 crits |
| 06:44.55 | Tem | it guarantees 3 crits? |
| 06:45.00 | sancus | yes |
| 06:45.10 | sancus | It increases your crit chance by 10% each spell until you crit 3 times. |
| 06:46.00 | Tem | so how does that make flamestrike an auto-crit? |
| 06:47.18 | sancus | It doesn't, but if you have targets to AE, and you activate Combustion and start casting Flame Strike, you are likely to get 3 crits within about 5 casts or so |
| 06:47.53 | sancus | considering flame strike's talent adds 15% crit chance to it |
| 06:49.51 | sancus | Flamestrike costs 990 mana, so with 6 targets and one flame strike that doesnt crit, you get 1500 mana back or so |
| 06:50.08 | sancus | And you crit 3 times :P |
| 06:54.31 | Tem | I think your logic is flawed |
| 06:55.05 | Tem | you are not *guaranteed* 3 crits on a flamestrike cast with combusion active |
| 06:56.17 | Tem | regardless, I see it being more useful in combination with shatter |
| 06:56.38 | sancus | hmm? |
| 06:56.40 | Tem | frostnova -> coc |
| 06:56.51 | sancus | you're basically guaranteed 3 crits over 6 casts |
| 06:56.59 | Tem | over 6 casts, sure |
| 06:57.18 | sancus | most of the time it will be 3 crits in 4 casts or 5 |
| 06:57.24 | Tem | but whens the last time you just sat there and cast 6 flamestrikes |
| 06:57.37 | sancus | never, because it sucks a ridiculous amount of mana |
| 06:57.42 | Tem | scratch that, when's the last time you cast flamestrike? |
| 06:57.45 | sancus | when I know doing it is going to, at worst, leave me mana neutral? |
| 06:58.00 | sancus | plus regen? |
| 06:58.05 | sancus | er lots of times |
| 06:58.06 | Tem | we'll see |
| 06:58.16 | Tem | I think you're overestimating the power of flamestike |
| 06:58.18 | sancus | I cast it in BWL on goblin pulls, and on blue drakonids |
| 06:58.42 | Tem | ah, I haven't been in those situations yet |
| 06:58.53 | sancus | I'd also cast it on fankriss if it had this kind of mana regen |
| 06:59.05 | Tem | we'll see :) |
| 06:59.07 | sancus | basically if you're a fire build its always better to cast it over blizzard |
| 06:59.19 | Tem | I was mostly thinking along the lines of pvp |
| 07:01.11 | Tem | why are some people talking about nova lasting better? |
| 07:01.16 | Tem | did I miss a change? |
| 07:01.37 | sancus | no |
| 07:01.40 | sancus | dunno why they are |
| 07:01.57 | sancus | oh, for pvp its not a big deal |
| 07:02.02 | sancus | Shatter on fire spells is a much bigger deal for pvp |
| 07:02.12 | Tem | lol.. we all hate Arcane Resilience |
| 07:02.34 | Tem | I hope they nix that one |
| 07:03.18 | sancus | I would like a mana regen aura! |
| 07:03.27 | sancus | 10% of your mana regen to all casters in your party within 30 yards |
| 07:03.34 | Miravlix | Hmm, not string1 == string2 doesn't work. |
| 07:04.03 | Anduin|Coma | not (string1 == string2) |
| 07:04.32 | Miravlix | Well, string1 ~= string2 |
| 07:04.48 | krka | doesn't work? |
| 07:05.06 | Anduin|Coma | not string == nil |
| 07:05.08 | Miravlix | But yeah, I just figured out that I got the glue order wrong |
| 07:05.14 | Anduin|Coma | or maybe false.. |
| 07:05.27 | Tem | not, and, or |
| 07:05.34 | Tem | so that's (not string1) == string2 |
| 07:05.43 | Miravlix | not has higher priority than =='s |
| 07:06.20 | Tem | which won't ever be true unless string2 is a boolean |
| 07:11.07 | Anduin|Coma | what's "Dead" in french and german? |
| 07:11.15 | krka | Tot in german |
| 07:11.17 | Tem | mort |
| 07:11.28 | Tem | though I have no idea if that's the string they use in game |
| 07:11.29 | krka | hmm.. .or Gestorben or something |
| 07:11.55 | Anduin|Coma | mm spose i do have access to those files.. |
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| 07:12.42 | Tem | ... |
| 07:12.44 | Anduin|Coma | Mort and Tot... boy i feel stupid for not just looking |
| 07:13.22 | Tem | I was right? |
| 07:13.26 | Anduin|Coma | ya |
| 07:13.27 | Tem | holy cow |
| 07:16.25 | Kemayo | Now, to find that cute little boot-with-wings art... |
| 07:17.27 | Anduin|Coma | red one is boots of travel in dota |
| 07:17.35 | Anduin|Coma | think it's dash in wow |
| 07:17.39 | Anduin|Coma | or sprint |
| 07:18.51 | Tem | he's talking about the icon on the taxi frame |
| 07:19.34 | Anduin|Coma | or that one |
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| 07:20.24 | Kemayo | Which is: Interface\\TaxiFrame\\UI-Taxi-Icon-[color] |
| 07:24.51 | Tem | curses! |
| 07:24.59 | Tem | I wanted RegisterAllEvents right now! |
| 07:28.04 | Kirov | heh |
| 07:30.42 | Cairenn | coises, foiled again! |
| 07:31.02 | Anduin|Coma | coises? |
| 07:31.29 | Cairenn | think bad evil-villain accent |
| 07:31.51 | Anduin|Coma | oh ok... cause those letters are no where near u and r... |
| 07:32.03 | Cairenn | I know |
| 07:32.05 | Cairenn | as I said ... |
| 07:32.08 | Anduin|Coma | :P |
| 07:32.14 | Kalroth | poor Karl! |
| 07:32.25 | Kalroth | You're in a coma! |
| 07:32.36 | Anduin|Coma | i know, this damn coma's depressing |
| 07:35.38 | Cairenn | doncha just hate it when that happens? |
| 07:35.52 | Anduin|Coma | who's doncha? |
| 07:35.58 | Cairenn | damn comas sneaking up on a person |
| 07:36.05 | Cairenn | don't you :p |
| 07:36.21 | Anduin|Coma | no, I've never met him.. |
| 07:36.22 | Kalroth | doncha, woncha, gotcha! |
| 07:36.40 | Cairenn | are you being deliberately obtuse tonight Anduin|Coma, or just trying to yank my chain? |
| 07:36.51 | Cairenn | oh, nm, you're in a coma, that's why |
| 07:37.01 | Anduin|Coma | :D |
| 07:37.20 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 07:37.28 | Anduin|Coma | i have a headache the size of manhattan |
| 07:37.33 | Cairenn | :( |
| 07:38.41 | Anduin|Coma | and i've never even been to manhattan, why are they all in my head |
| 07:38.59 | Cairenn | you aren't missing much, trust me |
| 07:39.31 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 07:39.34 | krka | i haven't been there either, but i know how to measure distances there |
| 07:39.39 | Kalroth | g'night Cairy! |
| 07:39.43 | Anduin|Coma | moo |
| 07:39.46 | krka | gniht |
| 07:40.46 | Cairenn|sleep | btw, Anduin|Coma, did you know the channel topic is all funky in the Cosmos channel? "14Welcome to 3#cosmostesters 5| 2http://www.cosmosui.org 5| 14Release version compatible with 1.10 5| 14Current US/EU Int:10 110005/1011000" |
| 07:40.55 | Cairenn|sleep | what's with all the funky numbers? |
| 07:41.05 | Anduin|Coma | looks fine here.. |
| 07:41.53 | Anduin|Coma | Topic for #cosmostesters is Welcome to #cosmostesters | http://www.cosmosui.org | Release version compatible with 1.10 | Current US/EU Int: 11000/11000 |
| 07:42.01 | Kalroth | ! |
| 07:42.01 | Anduin|Coma | Topic for #cosmostesters set by :Nephyrin at Mon May 1 15:01:49 2006 |
| 07:42.29 | Cairenn|sleep | that's the way it usually looks for me, but it's got all the weird numbers today |
| 07:42.32 | Cairenn|sleep | *shrug* |
| 07:42.36 | Anduin|Coma | odd |
| 07:42.38 | Cairenn|sleep | anyway, I'm out, night night |
| 07:42.44 | Anduin|Coma | sweet dreams |
| 07:44.50 | Anduin|Coma | and there we have it... I think I converted Archaeologist |
| 07:45.12 | Anduin|Coma | lets see if it aspoded |
| 07:45.12 | krka | to FSM? |
| 07:45.25 | Anduin|Coma | finite state machines? |
| 07:45.40 | krka | flying spaghetti monster |
| 07:46.03 | Anduin|Coma | never met him |
| 07:46.17 | krka | i see |
| 07:48.40 | Tem | I have |
| 07:49.01 | Tem | on a related note, spaghetti code is bad |
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| 07:54.15 | Anduin|Coma | it TIRED to asplode |
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| 07:55.17 | Anduin|Coma | but I dinah lettut |
| 07:55.32 | Anduin|Coma | DOH... mcom doesn't like functions |
| 07:56.33 | Tem | when did you become a dwarf? |
| 07:58.05 | Anduin|Coma | he musta lived in manhatten |
| 08:07.19 | Wobin_ | hokies |
| 08:07.23 | Wobin_ | Looking for advice. |
| 08:08.00 | Wobin_ | I'm trying to make a combat rogue atm, about to hit level 30, which of the 'specializations' do y'all suggest? |
| 08:08.21 | Anduin|Coma | the good one |
| 08:08.44 | Wobin_ | Which is? |
| 08:08.48 | Anduin|Coma | no idea |
| 08:09.39 | Miravlix | Hmm, it isn't possible with SVN to have external referance to one file? |
| 08:09.40 | krka | never played a rogue |
| 08:09.42 | Wobin_ | meh, you're no help =P |
| 08:10.04 | Anduin|Coma | what do you mean mira? |
| 08:10.05 | Wobin_ | Miravlix: As opposed to a directory? |
| 08:10.23 | Anduin|Coma | sure you can |
| 08:11.08 | Miravlix | sea\Sea.wow.spellbook.lua is the main file, but it's also used in \standalone\SeaSpellbook\SeaSpellbook.lua |
| 08:11.18 | Miravlix | It's the same source in both files. |
| 08:11.22 | Anduin|Coma | so.. |
| 08:11.34 | Miravlix | So, you can only do SVN Externals with subdirs |
| 08:11.38 | Anduin|Coma | no |
| 08:11.42 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 08:11.57 | Anduin|Coma | we do it just fine in the dirs folder if you'd look |
| 08:11.57 | Miravlix | I just tried, it errors out telling me it isn't a subdir |
| 08:12.22 | Anduin|Coma | distros |
| 08:12.35 | Anduin|Coma | for example devtools |
| 08:12.56 | Anduin|Coma | is a folder with individual externals in it |
| 08:14.21 | Miravlix | Individual external subdirs as far as I can tell |
| 08:14.50 | Anduin|Coma | oi |
| 08:15.11 | Anduin|Coma | perhaps your right |
| 08:15.40 | Anduin|Coma | so can you do it to your parent folder and have real things in it too? |
| 08:16.14 | Miravlix | I'm testing what we can do |
| 08:16.58 | Miravlix | But we might end up with \Sea\SeaHooks and \StandAlone\SeaHooks\SeaHooks |
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| 08:23.37 | Shouryuu | Rawr! |
| 08:23.39 | Shouryuu | Is the wiki down? |
| 08:24.00 | Miravlix | Works for me |
| 08:24.17 | Shouryuu | hummm not for I |
| 08:25.28 | Shouryuu | Yup not working for me... Nevermind, I'll check it out later |
| 08:27.06 | Miravlix | svn:externals main svn:/stuff/sea/SeaSpellbook |
| 08:28.16 | Miravlix | Propperty set on SeaSpellbook directory, so we have /StandAlone/SeaSpellbook/SeaSpellbook.toc /StandAlone/SeaSpellbook/main/Sea.wow.spellbook.lua |
| 08:28.40 | Miravlix | It aint pretty but it works. |
| 08:28.55 | Shouryuu | raWr out |
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| 08:39.40 | krka | damn, no outline in FontString |
| 08:40.21 | Anduin|Coma | it's REALLY hard to track down bugs when the line numbers are randomly off |
| 08:40.44 | Miravlix | Ugh, that sounds horrible |
| 08:44.11 | Anduin|Coma | funny... it says line 2938... but my print statement on line 3015 still works... sick |
| 08:45.49 | Anduin|Coma | so does 3145 |
| 08:48.00 | Anduin|Coma | ya so.. the error's not even in that file.. |
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| 09:14.40 | ckknight | http://www.improveverywhere.com/mission_view.php?mission_id=57 |
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| 09:29.32 | zenzelezz | interesting... since updating Firefox from 1.5.0.2 to 1.5.0.3, my Shockwave Flash plugin seems to have turned bad |
| 09:29.44 | zenzelezz | illegal this, illegal that, recommend to restart browser |
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| 10:07.55 | Miravlix | How does a load on demand addon, know when it's loaded? |
| 10:08.43 | Miravlix | If someone loads me before say PeW, I'm basically 'screwed' because I can't tell? |
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| 10:11.29 | krka | check for ADDON_LOADD? |
| 10:11.34 | krka | *ADDON_LOADED |
| 10:11.43 | Miravlix | What will that do? |
| 10:11.57 | krka | that event will trigger everytime an addon gets loaded |
| 10:12.02 | krka | so just check if arg1 == your addon name |
| 10:12.09 | Miravlix | My addon is loaded on demand |
| 10:12.20 | Miravlix | It can't check events |
| 10:12.29 | krka | it can check after you load it |
| 10:13.02 | Miravlix | I need to know where in the code execution path I am |
| 10:13.15 | Miravlix | Am I loaded before variables loaded, pew? |
| 10:13.18 | Miravlix | or after? |
| 10:13.30 | krka | that's trickier |
| 10:13.59 | krka | though i am not sure why you need to know |
| 10:14.16 | krka | hm, you can check if your variable is loaded |
| 10:14.22 | krka | if so, it must be after VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 10:14.24 | Miravlix | Because my addon can't gather data until after pew |
| 10:14.35 | Miravlix | The data isn't availble before after pew |
| 10:14.42 | krka | there must be some variable or function that gets set on PEW |
| 10:15.37 | Miravlix | Not unless I write an addon that sets one when the PeW event is called |
| 10:16.53 | Miravlix | An Embedded library in a load on demand addon is funky |
| 10:19.09 | ckknight | how so? |
| 10:19.10 | Miravlix | Load on Demand with unload at runtime isn't pretty either. |
| 10:19.40 | Miravlix | Because I don't know when I get loaded |
| 10:19.50 | Miravlix | I don't know if it's before variables_loaded or after. |
| 10:20.00 | Miravlix | or before/after PeW |
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| 10:20.12 | ckknight | register with ADDON_LOADED, it's after VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 10:21.20 | Anduin|Coma | or the code in Localization is used to fire on vars loaded or addon loaded |
| 10:24.33 | Miravlix | In my OnLoad handler, I have to start doing my stuff or wait for PeW |
| 10:24.55 | Miravlix | Now how do I know if I should wait for PeW? |
| 10:25.41 | Miravlix | If I registerevent and wait for PeW after PeW the addon is dead |
| 10:26.06 | Miravlix | If I try to gather the data before pew I get bogus stuff. |
| 10:28.29 | Miravlix | And ADDON_LOADED happends before VARIABLES_LOADED. |
| 10:28.44 | Miravlix | Except for LoD addons loaded after VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 10:29.48 | Miravlix | I can register for ADDON_LOADED and catch my own ADDON_LOADED,name event, except as an embedded library I don't know what my name is |
| 10:29.59 | Anduin|Coma | :) |
| 10:30.41 | Miravlix | I would have to throw a bogus pcall and parse the error to see my name |
| 10:33.30 | Miravlix | Also since this is a caching library with embedded support I wouldn't want to do my stuff OnLoad, in case the embedder decides I should discard myself. |
| 10:33.46 | Anduin|Coma | ouch |
| 10:34.18 | Miravlix | Load On Demand : Not supported. |
| 10:34.35 | Miravlix | There perfect solution. :p |
| 10:52.00 | ckknight | if you register ADDON_LOADED, the first time it fires is for your own addon |
| 10:52.40 | Anduin|Coma | ya, you can grab the name that way |
| 10:54.18 | norg|napping | Anduin|Coma: http://norganna.org/localizer.tar.gz |
| 10:54.37 | Anduin|Coma | nice nap? |
| 10:54.52 | norganna | yup |
| 10:54.56 | norganna | felt much better after |
| 10:55.17 | Anduin|Coma | do i get a readme with that? |
| 10:55.29 | norganna | anyhow, that tgz just needs to be extracted to the correct web location, and edit the config.php |
| 10:55.40 | norganna | the rest is self-installing |
| 10:56.15 | norganna | the config.php just needs to have database server passwords, database name, and table prefixes set |
| 10:56.40 | norganna | when you goto the website the first time, it will get you to enter an admin username and password |
| 10:57.15 | norganna | it will also automatically creat the necessary tables in the database |
| 10:57.36 | Anduin|Coma | sounds good, they use a standard prefix I hope |
| 10:57.59 | norganna | you set it in the config.php |
| 11:01.16 | ckknight | to check if variables are loaded, why can't you just check a variable that you know will be loaded? e.g.SHOW_NEWBIE_TIPS ~= nil |
| 11:03.27 | norganna | or you could just wait for the ADDON_LOADED event :P |
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| 11:04.37 | Tem | well, I think the point is that ADDON_LOADED doesn't necesarily mean that VARS_LOADED has fired |
| 11:05.01 | Tem | but you can't wait for VARS_LOADED if you intend to support Load On Demand |
| 11:05.02 | norganna | true - but it does mean your vars have been loaded |
| 11:05.24 | ckknight | you sure, norganna? |
| 11:05.40 | norganna | yes |
| 11:05.44 | norganna | positive |
| 11:06.27 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/701612 <- This double code works, but sometimes fails with Error: attempt to call field `saved_GameTooltip_ClearMoney' (a nil value) |
| 11:07.59 | ckknight | you can't save functions |
| 11:08.21 | norganna | that's right |
| 11:08.33 | Miravlix | Huh? |
| 11:08.38 | norganna | and i believe you can't save tables-as-keys |
| 11:08.40 | Miravlix | It's standard hooking code |
| 11:08.43 | Miravlix | It's worked for ages |
| 11:09.08 | Miravlix | And the MoneyFrame_SetType one works |
| 11:09.49 | Miravlix | I even included GameTooltip.lua that defines GameTooltip_ClearMoney to make sure it was in memory. |
| 11:09.53 | wereHamster | can someone give me a quick update on how debugprofilestart()/stop() behaves with nested calls? |
| 11:10.22 | ckknight | Miravlix, if you need something like that, then your embedding code is just written poorly |
| 11:10.46 | Miravlix | Yeah right |
| 11:10.48 | Miravlix | ... |
| 11:11.06 | Miravlix | Or maybe I'm just dealing with something that can't be solved |
| 11:11.19 | ckknight | or maybe it's so simple you don't see it |
| 11:11.26 | Miravlix | I load an xml file |
| 11:11.38 | Miravlix | Tell me how to not load it mutiple times |
| 11:11.50 | ckknight | it's embedded, right? |
| 11:11.56 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 11:12.05 | ckknight | then in your embedding code, you should have a way to check if it's been loaded before |
| 11:12.10 | ckknight | if it has, then don't double-hook |
| 11:12.11 | Miravlix | So every addon that embedds it has a copy of the xml file |
| 11:12.20 | Miravlix | I CAN*T STOP LOADING XML FILES |
| 11:12.25 | Miravlix | It's DONE IN TOC |
| 11:12.33 | ckknight | dude, calm the fuck down |
| 11:13.05 | ckknight | so you're saying that hooking code is in the xml file instead of in a lua lib? |
| 11:13.33 | Miravlix | I have to hook those calls because I load an xml file multiple times |
| 11:13.45 | Miravlix | Because it creates frames without a name |
| 11:13.57 | wereHamster | Miravlix, what about creating the frames in lua instead of xml? |
| 11:14.10 | Miravlix | And ClearMOney and SetType does this:GetName() |
| 11:14.14 | ckknight | yea, libs shouldn't need xml |
| 11:14.18 | ckknight | typically |
| 11:14.25 | Miravlix | wereHamster: So tell me how to make a tooltip in lua |
| 11:14.35 | Miravlix | Because the rest of us knows it can't be done |
| 11:14.40 | norgs|hiding | can't be done yet |
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| 11:14.49 | ckknight | the addon has to provide it |
| 11:14.55 | ckknight | then it calls a register function in the lib |
| 11:14.57 | wereHamster | Won't slouken add support for CreateFrame("GameTooltip", ...) to 1.11 ? |
| 11:15.05 | ckknight | yea, in 1.11 |
| 11:15.11 | Miravlix | That doesn't help me much now |
| 11:15.12 | norgs|hiding | 1.11 > 1.10 |
| 11:15.12 | ckknight | if the lib already has a tooltip, then don't worry about it |
| 11:15.21 | ckknight | keep the old one |
| 11:15.28 | ckknight | how complicated is that? |
| 11:15.32 | ckknight | Gratuity does it well |
| 11:15.40 | norgs|hiding | if it aint broke, don't fix it |
| 11:16.16 | Miravlix | In 1.11 my hack will be removed, but until then I have to load multiple XML files. |
| 11:16.40 | Miravlix | And in 1.11 this code will break again |
| 11:16.50 | Miravlix | because with createframe you can create frames without names |
| 11:17.01 | Miravlix | so I actually could use this code fixed for future projects |
| 11:17.43 | ckknight | what are you specifically trying to do? |
| 11:17.50 | ckknight | provide your lib with a tooltip to manipulate? |
| 11:18.07 | ckknight | or something else? |
| 11:18.32 | Miravlix | It's a invisible gametooltip so I can SetX and scan it |
| 11:18.38 | ckknight | okay |
| 11:18.43 | ckknight | I thought so |
| 11:18.50 | ckknight | you should check out how GratuityLib does it |
| 11:18.59 | ckknight | cause it already does the same sort of thing |
| 11:19.03 | ckknight | it's rather clean |
| 11:19.36 | Miravlix | I'm quite happy with this hack until 1.11 allows me to re-enable my CreateFrame("GameTooltip") code |
| 11:20.14 | Miravlix | It's a bug fix for bugged Blizzard code, it can't really be cleaned up much. |
| 11:20.40 | ckknight | okay, so you're just going to ignore my advice |
| 11:23.11 | norganna | ckknight: it's his right... that's why it's called "advice" |
| 11:23.31 | Miravlix | Offcourse, it wouldn't be much point for one patch to tell people to reprogram there software |
| 11:23.38 | Miravlix | Then emulating the 1.11 behavior is better |
| 11:23.41 | ckknight | I don't know why he just started shouting after I calmly tried to help him, norganna |
| 11:24.44 | norganna | ckknight: your statements were rather abrasive :P |
| 11:24.54 | wereHamster | ckknight, for GratuityLib you have to provide your own gametooltip ! |
| 11:25.03 | Miravlix | Because you don't show me respect Ckk. |
| 11:25.10 | wereHamster | function lib:RegisterTooltip(tooltip) |
| 11:25.14 | Stylpe | Right, I need an RSS agent |
| 11:25.15 | ckknight | Miravlix, ever think there's a reason |
| 11:25.32 | ckknight | wereHamster, right, you put the responsibility on the addon itself |
| 11:26.51 | norganna | ckknight: sounds rather wasteful if you ask me |
| 11:27.07 | Stylpe | *cough* |
| 11:27.20 | norganna | bliz would be better to just provide the stupid functions instead of making people scrape tooltips |
| 11:28.01 | wereHamster | .. but until then (if ever) we have to cope with the tooltips :( |
| 11:28.55 | Stylpe | Guys |
| 11:29.13 | Anduin|Coma | damn it... now I remember why i purposely didn't sign up for cable |
| 11:29.34 | Anduin|Coma | I've just watched like 6 hours of stargate... |
| 11:29.45 | norganna | lol @ anduin |
| 11:29.51 | Anduin|Coma | and I have like 3 more seasons.. |
| 11:30.07 | Anduin|Coma | damn bittorrent... I'll never get anything done.. |
| 11:30.16 | norganna | i watched about 6 hours of season 4 TNG last night |
| 11:30.29 | Anduin|Coma | tng is the goodness |
| 11:30.46 | Stylpe | :( |
| 11:30.56 | ckknight | you know what's a real downer? |
| 11:30.58 | norganna | ok Stylpe |
| 11:31.02 | Stylpe | :D |
| 11:31.05 | ckknight | 2 seasons of Law & Order: SVU |
| 11:31.06 | ckknight | straight. |
| 11:31.12 | ckknight | all in a row |
| 11:31.13 | norganna | what do you want to do with this RSS? |
| 11:31.19 | Stylpe | read it |
| 11:31.25 | norganna | thunderbird |
| 11:31.34 | Stylpe | mkay |
| 11:31.40 | Anduin|Coma | so my friend forced me to watch the first episode of Lost |
| 11:31.50 | Anduin|Coma | but i'm resisting the urge to watch any more |
| 11:31.57 | Anduin|Coma | I WILL resist |
| 11:32.14 | norganna | don't - it only gets better, and then you'll have to watch the rest of it |
| 11:32.21 | Miravlix | ckknight: I came here as a new person and respected everyone, but you and several others acted like total asses and didn't show me any respect. |
| 11:32.44 | ckknight | Miravlix, I honestly used to respect you |
| 11:32.52 | ckknight | even at the beginning of the conversation, I respected you |
| 11:32.58 | Anduin|Coma | that's cause you have no social skills mira |
| 11:33.15 | Stylpe | What the hell? You can't just say that? |
| 11:33.26 | norganna | i think mira just comes across a little wrong |
| 11:33.43 | norganna | i got no problems though |
| 11:33.43 | Miravlix | Then you have a funny way of showing it, because everytime I try to talk here you especially threat me like I was 14 years old and had never programmed in my life |
| 11:33.43 | Stylpe | JEEZ! Why can't everyone be friends all the time? |
| 11:33.57 | Anduin|Coma | oh, I'm sure he means fine, but it gets lost somewhere between conception and expression |
| 11:34.03 | ckknight | Miravlix, I'd've pegged you for 16 |
| 11:34.20 | Anduin|Coma | you just gotta assume he's not insulting you and you'll be fine |
| 11:34.35 | Miravlix | I've 20 years of C/C++ and varius language experince behind me, coded lua since beta. |
| 11:34.36 | Anduin|Coma | and even if he is insulting you, you'll be fine too |
| 11:34.37 | norganna | Anduin|Coma: i agree |
| 11:34.43 | Miravlix | And still if I say something I'm a total moron. |
| 11:34.44 | wereHamster | Stylpe, what would the world look like if everyone was always friends all the time ?!? |
| 11:34.59 | Anduin|Coma | boring |
| 11:35.08 | Miravlix | Just because I happend to have a different opinion than a few high profile people here |
| 11:35.09 | norganna | wereHamster: those 60's videos? |
| 11:35.10 | ckknight | time does not make you a savant |
| 11:35.12 | weab | like that show friends, it would suck |
| 11:35.15 | Anduin|Coma | can i beat someone up now? I like a good wrestling match |
| 11:35.17 | Stylpe | We could play war without anyone dying! :D |
| 11:35.53 | Anduin|Coma | I have a lot of pent up agression i need to take out occationally |
| 11:36.17 | Anduin|Coma | you know, a ballence sorta thing |
| 11:36.20 | Miravlix | And my code happened to use a variable another part of Sea.wow.tooltip also used, the other code was cleairng my var every now and then. :p |
| 11:36.31 | norganna | you got a punching bag anduin? |
| 11:36.45 | Anduin|Coma | nah, i should get one |
| 11:36.48 | Miravlix | Now I've ensured unque names, my multiload gametooltip xml code works |
| 11:36.48 | norganna | yup |
| 11:36.57 | Anduin|Coma | no where to hang it in my apt tho |
| 11:37.01 | Anduin|Coma | need one on a stand |
| 11:37.07 | norganna | that's always a problem |
| 11:37.26 | Miravlix | And now all I need to do is wait for 1.11 so I can put in a non XML based solution and 'users' of the library wont know the difference. |
| 11:37.41 | Anduin|Coma | you could just not publish at all till 1.11 |
| 11:38.11 | Miravlix | That could be months away |
| 11:38.34 | Miravlix | I need those cache libraries now. |
| 11:41.09 | Anduin|Coma | mmm promethious is uber |
| 11:43.28 | Wobin_ | 1.11 is coming out fairly soonish, though isn't it? |
| 11:43.46 | ckknight | there are hints toward that |
| 11:43.49 | ckknight | but nothing concrete |
| 11:43.50 | Anduin|Coma | after e3 |
| 11:43.57 | ckknight | yea, that's for sure |
| 11:44.05 | Anduin|Coma | prolly a few weeks at least |
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| 12:02.52 | Miravlix | When you update an addon on wowi with a new file, is the old one not availble until it gets out of *Pending mode? |
| 12:04.33 | Miravlix | Aah, it's just in the list my interfaces I can't click |
| 12:14.22 | Wobin_ | Miravlix: I guess it doesn't become 'old' until the newer one is processed |
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| 12:19.30 | Anduin|Coma | gah... noooo.... not sleeeep.... |
| 12:19.57 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 12:22.27 | wereHamster | norgannam, are you the author of GatherBook? |
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| 12:37.04 | norganna | wereHamster: yes |
| 12:37.43 | Kalroth | norganna: will you have my babies? |
| 12:38.29 | norganna | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.32 | Kalroth | :( |
| 12:38.45 | norganna | i have 2 kids already - that's all i need |
| 12:39.58 | wereHamster | norganna, http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3919 |
| 12:40.52 | wereHamster | I particularly don't like the link to rg-xploiters.com |
| 12:41.48 | wereHamster | and btw, I can't get it to work under mono |
| 12:52.33 | norganna | wereHamster: i have posted to that in the comments section |
| 12:52.57 | norganna | also it won't run under mono. i uses the windows controls |
| 12:54.50 | wereHamster | hasn't mono implemented the windows controls? |
| 12:55.03 | norganna | not last time i looked |
| 12:55.15 | norganna | it was a while ago admittedly |
| 12:55.20 | wereHamster | .. using gtk2? I know they used wine at some point to implement the windows controls. |
| 12:55.45 | wereHamster | and I think they now have teir own GDI implementation |
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| 13:03.15 | wereHamster | argh... dotnet 1.1 requires IE .. stupid microsoft |
| 13:11.57 | [Cu]NeT | norganna you want me to delete it ? |
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| 13:31.45 | kaiden | ooooh i just thought of an insanely cool feature for an addon site, the ability to click your favorites panel and all of your favorites be listed there with checkboxes to the left of each and then to the right of each it can say something like UPDATED SINCE LAST DOWNLOAD and if it's updated you can add a check and then down at the bottom click download and the site could tarball them all up and send away |
| 13:31.46 | MentalPower | netcurse: please, that would be awesome |
| 13:32.33 | MentalPower | kaiden: have you checked curse's favorites feature? |
| 13:32.56 | kaiden | nah i haven't used curse in a while |
| 13:33.09 | netcurse | Delete successfull ! |
| 13:33.42 | [MoonWolf] | morning. |
| 13:33.46 | kaiden | though i hear netcurse is redesigning the site so maybe good stuff will come, the design is the only reason i dnt use it at the moment (<< lazy person doesn't like clicking too many times hehe) |
| 13:34.21 | netcurse | http://guildcurse.free.fr/Curse-sneakpeek-01.jpg |
| 13:34.30 | Wobin_ | That is why I love the Ace SVN |
| 13:34.49 | Wobin_ | I select all the addon folders in my directory, and click update |
| 13:36.46 | kaiden | Netcurse, oooh.. it's dark and pretty! |
| 13:36.48 | kaiden | :) |
| 13:37.07 | kaiden | dammit.. another site to check now |
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| 13:58.00 | Shouryuu | RAwzzzzZzzz... |
| 13:58.34 | Shouryuu | maybe not the best place to ask but is annyone familiar with the Bretton Woods system? |
| 14:02.27 | Maldivia | they who what system? (that would probably be a no from me :) |
| 14:02.37 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 14:02.50 | Maldivia | it's something about economy, right? |
| 14:02.58 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 14:03.14 | Maldivia | I've heard about it, but have no idea what it actually is/does :) |
| 14:03.17 | Shouryuu | created just after WWII |
| 14:03.46 | Maldivia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system ... :) |
| 14:03.54 | Shouryuu | yup looking at that :P |
| 14:04.31 | Maldivia | well, I'm not... scrolled quickly through it, and saw how much text there was, and chose not to read :9 |
| 14:04.40 | Shouryuu | haha |
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| 14:08.57 | norganna | netcurse: thanks |
| 14:09.05 | netcurse | np |
| 14:10.24 | norganna | how's your new developer going btw? |
| 14:10.57 | netcurse | very good |
| 14:10.59 | norganna | that sneak peek looks awesome |
| 14:11.05 | netcurse | we migrate tomorow night |
| 14:11.10 | netcurse | to new site |
| 14:11.15 | sweede | ... |
| 14:11.19 | sweede | new site? |
| 14:11.21 | sweede | oo |
| 14:11.37 | norganna | that was pretty quick! |
| 14:11.37 | netcurse | it s a hell of a work to migrate to a total new version where all the code is new |
| 14:11.50 | netcurse | we took 0% of old cot .p |
| 14:11.51 | netcurse | code |
| 14:12.24 | sweede | i've got a strange problem. i logged off, removed my interface, wdb and wtf folders. restarted wow logged in logged out. i installed 6 addons (4 of my own and hteir two dependancies). only one loads now.. |
| 14:12.37 | sweede | or, only one works, i should say. |
| 14:13.37 | Maldivia | and not a screwup in the addon-settings, with load out of date / disabled addons for that char ? |
| 14:13.59 | sweede | ya, load all addons checked, etc. |
| 14:14.09 | sweede | in the FrameXML log it even says that the addons are loaded too. |
| 14:14.12 | norganna | i just can't get over how sexy that new interface looks netcurse! mmm - soooo yummy. |
| 14:14.18 | sweede | 5/6 09:10:25.814 Loading add-on IDKP_RaidAttendance |
| 14:14.33 | netcurse | pm norganna :p |
| 14:14.43 | sweede | the only addon that does seem to work, requires one of the other ones that doesnt work :| |
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| 14:17.37 | Wobin_ | rarar |
| 14:17.47 | Shouryuu | hello |
| 14:17.55 | Wobin_ | blah |
| 14:17.59 | Wobin_ | bloody internet |
| 14:18.36 | krka | i remember someone talking about an addon to notify when boats / zeps depart |
| 14:18.48 | krka | how is that going? |
| 14:18.54 | Shouryuu | kremonte Is working on it |
| 14:19.35 | Kirkburn | Wow the new video playing stuff on Steam is cool! It fades and blurs the screen as it starts playing, then fades back when finished |
| 14:19.39 | Shouryuu | lol http://mail.google.com/mail/?view=att&disp=inline&attid=0.1&th=10b0412b25afdfad |
| 14:19.56 | Shouryuu | my mom sent me that :P |
| 14:20.04 | Kirkburn | er, can't view |
| 14:20.24 | Kirkburn | Perhaps I need an account |
| 14:20.29 | Shouryuu | meh nvm then |
| 14:20.36 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 14:20.37 | krka | you're linking to your own mail? |
| 14:20.39 | krka | O_o |
| 14:20.47 | krka | and expected it to work? :) |
| 14:20.47 | Wobin_ | o_O |
| 14:21.10 | Shouryuu | Yeah I guess that wasn't smart |
| 14:21.12 | kaiden | are joo insane mannnn?!?!?! |
| 14:21.17 | kaiden | sorry sounded like the appropriate time |
| 14:21.18 | kaiden | :P |
| 14:21.20 | Shouryuu | Oh noez! |
| 14:21.58 | Shouryuu | I'm just too tired to think atm |
| 14:23.17 | Shouryuu | Bretton woods and GATT FTL |
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| 14:34.02 | wereHamster | is there an addon that automatically leaves City, Trade, LocalDefense and LFG channels? |
| 14:50.47 | sweede | hmm... |
| 14:50.54 | sweede | resizeable window..... |
| 14:55.39 | sweede | anyone know an addon that has a resizable frame ? |
| 14:57.01 | kaiden | yes, tinypad |
| 14:58.03 | Kaelten | anyone know of an easy way to tell if its the enchanting frame or the pet training frame? |
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| 15:02.14 | sweede | wow.. thats so easy.. heh, to make a frame resizable... |
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| 15:03.40 | Cairenn | morning Ratbert_CP |
| 15:04.02 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 15:04.43 | Kalroth | Need more coffee! |
| 15:04.45 | Ratbert_CP | Although, we did get a 7-hour stretch last night... IMpressive with an 11 month old *and* and three year old... |
| 15:05.15 | Cairenn | very impressive indeed! |
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| 15:05.57 | Kalroth | you put whiskey in the milk, didn't you? |
| 15:06.05 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure my parents did that to me! |
| 15:06.55 | Ratbert_CP | Nppe. No whiskey (but believe me when I tell you my wife was eyeing the chocolate port... |
| 15:08.32 | Cairenn | heh |
| 15:09.25 | Cairenn | well, hate to break it to you, but don't expect it to change any time soon ... I got 4 hrs last night, and my daughter and her friend are 18, soooo .... |
| 15:11.28 | Kalroth | well they're out boozing all the time, you get a break between ~8 to 13 years old though |
| 15:11.36 | Ratbert_CP | Actually, I expect to get regular sleep in about 4 years, but then stop again when he hits 13-14. Then I won't sleep for different reasons. And I'll have to buy a shotun when she starts dating (our boy is the three year old) |
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| 15:12.24 | sweede | man.. wow wiki is down :( |
| 15:12.45 | sweede | anyone know where to find a wow function reference ? |
| 15:13.03 | Ratbert_CP | Won't need ammon, but I will need a good cleaning kit. Nothing better to ensure curfew compliance than letting the potential Romeo know you have a clean 12-gauge... |
| 15:13.34 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 15:13.39 | Kalroth | haha |
| 15:14.07 | Cairenn | have you seen the "10 Rules if you want to date my daughter" yet? |
| 15:14.12 | Cairenn | look it up ... |
| 15:15.16 | Ratbert_CP | Not yet. But at 11 months, I figure I have a while. Still need to read "What to expect when you're expecting". From when my son was born. I just can't keep up with the wife's reading schedule... |
| 15:15.41 | Cairenn | hehehehehe |
| 15:15.56 | Cairenn | and, you don't have as long as you think, trust me |
| 15:16.35 | Cairenn | a week ago, mine was a babe in arms ... 4 days ago, she was doing her Senior year recital |
| 15:17.15 | Ratbert_CP | And real soon, I need to build a good, hardened firewall for the home network... Maybe with an active filtering proxy... |
| 15:17.31 | sweede | no wowwiki.com type other FrameXML resources out there ? |
| 15:17.32 | Cairenn | yeah ... |
| 15:17.57 | Kalroth | Ratbert_CP: Don't worry, the kids will find the dirty webpages anyways, they always do |
| 15:18.06 | Ratbert_CP | Of course, I'm re-installing NWN for the umpteenth time... ;) |
| 15:19.08 | Ratbert_CP | Yeah, but I can make him *work* for it. If he can beat my security, fine. But I'm not handing him www.<insert inappropriate domain name here>.com on a platter |
| 15:19.28 | Ratbert_CP | Then again, he |
| 15:19.43 | Ratbert_CP | 'll probably hook into a neighbor's insecure wireless network... |
| 15:19.51 | Cairenn | heh, yup |
| 15:20.04 | Ratbert_CP | Stoopid neighbors... |
| 15:20.26 | Cairenn | btw, I trust you've already got him started on the computer, yes? |
| 15:20.36 | Cairenn | mine was at 3 |
| 15:20.56 | Cairenn | she actually knows what a Dos prompt is |
| 15:21.12 | Ratbert_CP | With preemptive apologies to anyone I might offend, I've been tempted to go over to the neighbors house on several occasions and tell them that I'm sure Jesus hears them, and could they please shut the hell up. :P |
| 15:21.25 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 15:22.43 | Kalroth | haha |
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| 15:45.36 | fatbrain | Hello, can a item-name be used as an identifier? |
| 15:46.53 | Maldivia | identifier for what? |
| 15:48.45 | Maldivia | if to uniquely identify an item, then no (examples: Insignia of the Alliance, Signet Ring of the Bronze Dragonflight, Royal Seal of Eldre'Thalas) |
| 15:50.31 | fatbrain | eh, what does that examples have to do with invalidation the use of item-name as identifiers? |
| 15:50.51 | fatbrain | You mean, there's different items for different classes... |
| 15:50.53 | fatbrain | Gotcha. |
| 15:51.08 | fatbrain | hm, then I have myself a problem. |
| 15:51.12 | Maldivia | the insignia: 8 different items, that all have the same name |
| 15:51.23 | fatbrain | Maldivia: I got that. |
| 15:51.47 | fatbrain | When I recieve an item in my mailbox, I don't get an id for it, only the name. |
| 15:51.52 | fatbrain | same with auctions. |
| 15:52.05 | fatbrain | I need some way of identifing the object received. |
| 15:52.39 | Maldivia | hmm, let me check if any of the same-name-items can be mailed... |
| 15:52.50 | fatbrain | sure, thanks. |
| 15:55.32 | Maldivia | hmm, some can be mailed... |
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| 16:03.40 | Maldivia | Punctured Voodoo Doll (I think it can be mailed), another example of 9 items with the same name |
| 16:06.24 | Maldivia | ofcourse, if you want to know the item id in those cases, guess you'll have to scan the inventory before and after you take the item, to see what's been added |
| 16:07.54 | Maldivia | or hope, the proposed inbox API changes for 1.11 gets implemented (a function that returns the mail item link was requested) |
| 16:08.06 | fatbrain | Yeah, already thought of that, but it seemed to brute-force. |
| 16:08.42 | fatbrain | The item-link *SHOULD* be mandatory in all API functions dealing with items, IMO. |
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| 16:25.32 | fatbrain | omg, I'm crippled, wowwiki.com is down :( |
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| 16:27.34 | Shouryuu | hello... |
| 16:28.18 | Shouryuu | Trying to catch up with 6 month of history class sucks |
| 16:37.13 | Tain | You'd think that would be easy, I mean you should be good at learning recent history of your history class. |
| 16:37.34 | fatbrain | hm... |
| 16:42.14 | Maldivia | hmm, ok this chatframe bug is starting to drive me insane... |
| 16:42.56 | fatbrain | what chatframe bug? |
| 16:45.04 | Industrial | any lua command for seeing what server you are on? |
| 16:45.09 | Industrial | i always forget |
| 16:45.42 | Industrial | ah nordrassil :P |
| 16:45.45 | Industrial | (EU) |
| 16:46.00 | Maldivia | GetRealmName() |
| 16:47.19 | fatbrain | mm |
| 16:48.14 | fatbrain | and you may have to use GetCVar("realmList") == "eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com" to ensure it's "enGB" and not "enUS" |
| 16:48.22 | fatbrain | hm... |
| 16:48.28 | fatbrain | that's the locale I was thining bout... .P |
| 16:48.30 | fatbrain | :P |
| 16:53.30 | Shouryuu | a nyone here knows an anime called Wolf's rain? |
| 16:57.40 | Shouryuu | w00t almost 600 dl on my BG add on |
| 17:02.50 | Tain | I've seen a handful of Wolf's Rain episodes. |
| 17:21.20 | Kirkburn | maldivia, once you sort it, it shouldn't reappear |
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| 18:03.25 | Kemayo | Sigh. My new video card just arrived, and now all three of my cats are sitting in the box it came in biting bits off the edges. |
| 18:04.14 | Cide | haha, yep |
| 18:05.17 | Kemayo | The worst part is that I can't even use the video card until Wednesday. ;_; (I won't have a motherboard with PCI-E until then.) |
| 18:05.21 | Kemayo | MY LIFE IS PAIN! |
| 18:11.27 | wereHamster | the cats are biting off edges of the box or the card itself? |
| 18:11.48 | Kemayo | The cardboard box it was shipped in. |
| 18:12.07 | Kemayo | Also, they're shredding the paper it was packed in. |
| 18:12.11 | Kemayo | They're cats, after all. |
| 18:12.21 | wereHamster | looks like they have lots of fun :) |
| 18:19.33 | Tain | I had a girlfriend who once told me, "Everything I need to know I learned from a cat." |
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| 18:19.47 | Tain | She then laid back and rolled around saying, "Play with me!" |
| 18:20.39 | Tain | Ah, I was young and foolish then. |
| 18:24.34 | Kemayo | That sounds good... right up until she starts vomiting on the floor and leaving it for you to clean up. |
| 18:32.48 | wereHamster | cat or girlfriend? |
| 18:33.57 | Tain | Yes. |
| 18:41.12 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: hmm... what were you refering to ? |
| 18:42.07 | Kirkburn | lol, the chatframe bug |
| 18:44.26 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: well, it keeps happening... and it's annoying... apparently the GetChatWindowInfo sometimes returns wrong data? |
| 18:44.51 | Kirkburn | I've not played for ages, but I know there's info on it in the Customer Service forum |
| 18:45.50 | Maldivia | well, it's after the 1.10.2 patch... my chatframes are being hidden at what seems random intervals |
| 18:46.22 | Kirkburn | Yes, and there's info in the customer service forum |
| 18:47.16 | Maldivia | all I can find there is about chat channels, not with the frames themselves |
| 18:47.58 | Shouryuu | Ok Wolf's rain look *really* cool |
| 18:48.15 | Kirkburn | Maldivia, ah yeah I know the one your talking about |
| 18:48.37 | Kirkburn | Can't remember how to solve it tho, sorry :( |
| 18:48.53 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, what's that? |
| 18:49.22 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: well, at the moment I have a macro with /script ChatFrame1:Show() ChatFrame2:Show() ChatFrame3:Show() |
| 18:49.42 | Shouryuu | Kirkburn An Anime |
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| 18:51.15 | Kirkburn | Maldivia, http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/8178490.htm |
| 18:52.45 | Maldivia | yes, found the sticky in technical, but it's just a "we're aware of it, no ETA" |
| 18:53.01 | Kirkburn | darn |
| 18:58.35 | Kirkburn | Does anyone know who 'Caerrus' is? |
| 18:59.13 | Kirkburn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8179112&p=2 |
| 19:00.49 | Maldivia | most likely a GM posting outside their forum? |
| 19:01.50 | Maldivia | looks like it, searching for posts by him in the Customer Service forum, gives 4 pages of results |
| 19:40.39 | Kirkburn | Ta Maldivia, confused me :) |
| 19:40.49 | Kirkburn | Hope those GMs get their own avatars too |
| 19:41.40 | MentalPower | something tells me that its eyonix that just forgot to change chars |
| 19:41.56 | MentalPower | since he's the gm with the whelp avatar |
| 19:42.08 | MentalPower | s/gm/cm/ |
| 19:43.34 | Maldivia | there's no whelp avatar on that post... |
| 19:43.54 | Gryphen | There are lots of blues with the same av |
| 19:43.57 | Maldivia | there's the default "Blizzard - I have no avatar"-avatar... |
| 19:47.39 | Maldivia | long/rought/hard night last night... since you get up now ? |
| 19:52.06 | Tem | hmm? |
| 19:52.16 | MentalPower | yeah I know theres no avatar in that post |
| 19:52.36 | MentalPower | but the CM's response would be the one I'd expect from Eyonix |
| 19:53.17 | Tem | check the sig |
| 19:53.21 | Tem | that's not eyonix |
| 19:54.45 | Kirkburn | <Maldivia> most likely a GM posting outside their forum? |
| 19:54.46 | Kirkburn | <Maldivia> looks like it, searching for posts by him in the Customer Service forum, gives 4 pages of results |
| 19:55.46 | Kirkburn | (Eyonix is a GM is disguise!) |
| 19:56.29 | Kirkburn | s/is d/in d/ |
| 19:57.54 | MentalPower | ok, I concede, eyonix doesn't currently have a sig and those carry over between chars in the same account |
| 19:58.32 | MentalPower | so the only way would be that Eyonix has multiple accounts tagged as "Blizzard Employee" which would be wierd IMO |
| 20:01.34 | Kirkburn | ... and that he is a GM who frequently posts on the Customer Service forum. |
| 20:01.56 | Kirkburn | You can't save yourself now MentalPower :P |
| 20:02.10 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Parak (i=PROFI@user-0cev737.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 20:25.01 | Kirkburn | Hehehe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnXR5Baq0X8&search=Easter%20bunny |
| 20:28.41 | Kirkburn | Even has it's own myspace ... http://myspace.com/easterbunnyhatesyou |
| 20:39.49 | Shouryuu | argh my brother really pisses me off |
| 20:40.02 | Shouryuu | he watches anime with just because he can bitch about how stupid it is |
| 20:40.12 | Shouryuu | *just so |
| 20:40.30 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=MentalPo@host-70-45-84-10.onelinkpr.net) |
| 20:45.58 | Shouryuu | " I understand that all rolls in WoW are based on their random number generator.Players have figured out other formulas pretty easily" hahahaha |
| 20:46.03 | Shouryuu | Players have figured out other formulas pretty easily... My god... |
| 20:48.54 | Shouryuu | And on that hilarious note i shall wish you a good night |
| 20:48.57 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Shouryuu (n=Shouryuu@222.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 20:49.58 | Wobin_ | Is a 'tick' exactly 2 seconds? |
| 20:50.42 | Cide | yes |
| 20:54.07 | Wobin_ | Cool, wowwiki says: roughly, and I wanted to see if anyone thought differently =) |
| 20:54.42 | sancus | wowwiki's accuracy is Wikipedia-level :P |
| 20:55.12 | Wobin_ | jeje |
| 20:55.14 | Wobin_ | er |
| 20:55.16 | Wobin_ | hehe |
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| 21:19.27 | Kirkburn | I wonder what it's like in Blizz HQ atm |
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| 21:33.13 | Cide | hmm, anyone familiar with php: what's the perl regexp function? I've forgotten its name and php.net is seemingly down |
| 21:39.42 | haste | Cide: thinking of preg_grep() ? |
| 21:40.24 | Cide | hmm, preg_match maybe |
| 21:41.11 | Cide | yep, thanks :) |
| 21:41.37 | haste | yay |
| 21:43.45 | Elviso | cide: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGGL,GGGL:2006-12,GGGL:en&q=php.net+mirror |
| 21:44.41 | Cide | thanks, Elviso |
| 21:44.57 | Elviso | surely, don't know if you need it anymore...but there's lots of mirrors |
| 21:55.33 | Kirkburn | Mr. Wiggles!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/StealthySneaker3/wiggles.jpg |
| 21:59.24 | Kirkburn | Speedy the Turtle!! http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8369/speedytheturtle113cs.png |
| 22:00.50 | Wobin_ | Have you got one of the Rat? |
| 22:00.54 | Wobin_ | That's the only one I haven't seen |
| 22:02.07 | Kirkburn | Me neither :( |
| 22:02.15 | Kirkburn | Hell, I don't care, I'm getting Mr. Wiggles! |
| 22:09.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone remind me how to hide the default buttons |
| 22:13.09 | ScytheBlade1 | The entire bar along the bottom... I've forgotten how :( |
| 22:13.33 | MentalPower | Cide: you around? |
| 22:13.34 | Codayus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.36 | Codayus | from memory |
| 22:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That's it! <3 |
| 22:14.03 | Cide | yep |
| 22:14.34 | MentalPower | are you guys going to update CT_RaidTracker anytime soon? |
| 22:14.51 | Cide | I've been working on a rewrite from scratch for a while |
| 22:14.58 | Cide | but it's a while off (a month?) |
| 22:16.18 | MentalPower | one request (and I'm guessing its already in the todo list) can it show actual inventory icons instead of guesses? I have mine modded to request the texturepath from GetItemInfo() |
| 22:17.20 | Cide | ya |
| 22:17.25 | Cide | that's incoming |
| 22:17.31 | Cide | (wasn't available when I wrote CT_RT1) |
| 22:18.30 | MentalPower | thats what I figured |
| 22:19.29 | MentalPower | btw, thanks for the info. I'll hold off raidtracker integration with an addon I'm building for the time being |
| 22:21.34 | Cide | okay :) |
| 22:23.41 | ckknight | hey all |
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| 22:29.36 | Kemayo | When moving to a new computer, is it safe to just copy your WoW directory over, or should one really do a proper install? |
| 22:30.00 | Kemayo | s/proper/clean/ |
| 22:31.31 | Tain | You can copy just the WoW directory. |
| 22:31.42 | Tain | I have copied the same install over 3 computers. |
| 22:32.33 | Kirkburn | Anyone else, does the text on this page look incredibly shitty to anyone else? http://www.capitalradio.com/article.asp?ID=103116&requirelogin=yes |
| 22:32.40 | Kemayo | Nifty. I didn't want to have to go through all that patching again. :) |
| 22:33.22 | Kirkburn | You can certainly copy over the data files |
| 22:34.04 | Kemayo | Well, it has a couple of rendering glitches in Firefox, certainly, and the title font isn't very clear. |
| 22:34.31 | Kemayo | ...and now that I look closely, the menubar font isn't very well anti-aliased. |
| 22:37.21 | Kirkburn | The main text is incredibly 'blocky' for me. Using ClearType in XP - you? |
| 22:37.55 | Kirkburn | (And yeah, that's pretty bad anti-aliasing) |
| 22:38.24 | Kirkburn | Happened on IE6 as well as IE7 |
| 22:41.13 | Kirkburn | Bloody hell! I just looked at their CSS and ... to put it simply ... it's AWFUL. |
| 22:42.12 | Kirkburn | There's something like 300 styles defined |
| 22:46.43 | Kalroth | :D |
| 22:49.12 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 22:55.18 | Kemayo | Not using ClearType, myself. The main text doesn't look so blocky here. |
| 22:57.35 | Kirkburn | it's fine in FF for me ... such oddness |
| 22:58.48 | Neronix | Anyone here speak French? Got a tiny question |
| 22:59.32 | netcurse | i do |
| 23:00.02 | Neronix | What words do French players tend to use for Damage and Healing? |
| 23:00.12 | Neronix | Different sources are giving me different results >.< |
| 23:04.51 | netcurse | i allways played on us or euro server so hmm |
| 23:04.54 | netcurse | let me see |
| 23:06.22 | netcurse | Dommages et soins |
| 23:06.26 | netcurse | would feet well |
| 23:06.39 | Wobin_ | Is there any way to tell if a button is highlighted? |
| 23:06.52 | Neronix | netcurse: Thanks |
| 23:07.16 | netcurse | np |
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| 23:30.35 | Kirkburn | OKay so it's 1:30am here |
| 23:30.44 | Kirkburn | One of my housemates has just started having a shower! |
| 23:31.07 | Kirkburn | loudly. |
| 23:32.51 | Kirkburn | Some japanese boys are so odd ... very, uh, girly |
| 23:33.26 | Cairenn | feminine is the term you are looking for |
| 23:33.35 | Kirkburn | Yes :) |
| 23:34.06 | Cairenn | as opposed to effeminate |
| 23:34.18 | Kirkburn | Lots of moisturiser, long hair over the eyes, clips in the hair. |
| 23:35.01 | Cairenn | okay, the clips in the hair may be heading towards the effeminate side of things |
| 23:35.04 | Kirkburn | There's a lot of japanese people in Perugia, we've got a language university |
| 23:35.08 | Cairenn | the rest of it ... /shrug |
| 23:35.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hmm, what happened to the Ace channel while I was gone? |
| 23:35.52 | Cairenn | not a thing ... ##ace |
| 23:35.56 | cladhaire | no |
| 23:35.58 | cladhaire | #wowace =) |
| 23:36.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ahh |
| 23:36.17 | Kirkburn | yeah, I don't want to sound like i'm being insulting. I just thought it was funny suddenly coming upon him with a big pink clip holding his hair back |
| 23:36.19 | Cairenn | errr,yeah, what clad said |
| 23:37.37 | Kirkburn | Also goes to bed far too early, but I'm sure that'll change :P I'll just keep playing my music loudly so he can't go to sleep ;) |
| 23:37.51 | MentalPower | Wobin_: try Button:GetButtonState() |
| 23:38.05 | MentalPower | I believe you have to compare the return value |
| 23:38.09 | Wobin_ | Hm |
| 23:38.15 | Wobin_ | That only returns pushed or normal though |
| 23:38.24 | Wobin_ | But don't worry =) I figured out a way |
| 23:38.34 | Kirkburn | You want to see if the mouse is hovering over it? |
| 23:38.39 | MentalPower | out of curiosity, how? |
| 23:39.24 | Wobin_ | Nono... I'm writing an addon that uses the Tradeskill frame |
| 23:39.25 | Kirkburn | Button:GetGlowyWhitishEffect() ? |
| 23:39.43 | Wobin_ | so that when you click on a manufactured reagent, it'll scroll to the specified one in your frame |
| 23:40.00 | fatbrain | Hm. |
