| 00:01.01 | KarlKFI | still get the same errors |
| 00:02.51 | norganna | zespri: There's some that use 1 byte per character but remap the high characters to a specific "code page". If the other person has a different code-page set, they will see gibberish. Conversely UTF-16 uses 2-bytes per character to extend the number of usable characters from 255 to 65535 this means that there is no codepage switching needed to talk "in the same language". UTF-8 plays on the... |
| 00:02.53 | norganna | ...fact that in most "western" languages, the needed characters are in the lower half of the 1st byte, and only uses 2 or more bytes if necessary |
| 00:02.58 | groll | argh anyone of you two who are awake at the moment care to look into my something around 150 lines of code and see if you can find some bug? I kinda dont know any coding myself so having a hard time figuring out what is wrong :/ |
| 00:03.04 | groll | hey norganna :D |
| 00:03.14 | groll | you three now then i guess ;P |
| 00:04.05 | norganna | ? |
| 00:04.07 | norganna | hey g |
| 00:04.23 | groll | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4909 that addon |
| 00:04.36 | groll | i cant figure out why the heck i have to do a reload ui to make it work :/ |
| 00:04.49 | groll | not a single keybind works if i dont :/ |
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| 00:10.33 | Kirkburn | New beta of MSN messenger out :) |
| 00:10.57 | groll | oh? |
| 00:11.40 | Kirkburn | 689, see mess.be |
| 00:13.54 | norganna | 10101010 |
| 00:13.56 | zespri | norganna, it's not about other person. when I type I see the right font and he sees the right font on the screen. when he types he sees gibberish and I see gibberish when I recive what he typed |
| 00:13.59 | norganna | s/10/00/ |
| 00:14.05 | norganna | 10101010 |
| 00:14.07 | norganna | s/10/00/g |
| 00:14.14 | norganna | neat :P |
| 00:14.56 | norganna | zespri: garbage in, garbage out |
| 00:15.18 | norganna | sounds like his keyboard is not setup correctly |
| 00:15.50 | groll | norganna no time to look into my lil code? ;P |
| 00:15.54 | groll | pretty plzzz :D |
| 00:16.24 | norganna | groll - what am i? mr fixit? :D |
| 00:16.26 | groll | it's not much at all :D |
| 00:16.27 | zespri | but it does work in apps other rhen Wow |
| 00:16.33 | groll | yes today you are since your so kind ;P |
| 00:16.58 | groll | and since im such a totall noob at lua aswell and have no clue how to fix it :D |
| 00:17.11 | norganna | nah - i'm working... the get kinda tetchy when i boot up wow during work hours |
| 00:17.50 | norganna | s/the/they |
| 00:17.53 | norganna | s/the/they/ |
| 00:17.58 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 00:17.59 | norganna | er |
| 00:18.09 | groll | ah ok np then :) |
| 00:18.14 | Kirkburn | Gotta love bots |
| 00:18.18 | groll | thanks anyway :) |
| 00:18.35 | norganna | <3 groll |
| 00:18.47 | groll | :) |
| 00:21.13 | groll | oh well time to sleep so see ya ppl |
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| 00:25.10 | KarlKFI | iriel, It looks like you code doesn't handle nameless font objects |
| 00:25.40 | Iriel | KarlKFI: It may not be my code, it may be blizzard's API |
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| 00:26.29 | KarlKFI | well line 522 of IrielVirtualFrames calls object = CreateFont(name); even if no name was passed |
| 00:26.45 | Iriel | Well, what does /script CreateFont() give you? |
| 00:26.49 | Iriel | in-game? |
| 00:26.54 | KarlKFI | an error |
| 00:27.04 | Iriel | Okay, so I need to auto-generate a name, not too hard |
| 00:27.38 | KarlKFI | any ideas what format it shoul duse? |
| 00:28.20 | JoshBorke | FINALLY! i'm able to /camp |
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| 00:32.53 | KarlKFI | odd... what's rawget? |
| 00:33.04 | Iriel | It's a metatable-ignoring table lookupo |
| 00:33.28 | KarlKFI | apparently it got passed a nil |
| 00:33.32 | Iriel | KarlKFI : Can you do /script CreateFont("X") CreateFont("X") without any bugs? |
| 00:33.48 | KarlKFI | ya |
| 00:35.02 | Iriel | KarlKFI : Maybe put "CreateFont(name or " unnamed font ") |
| 00:35.09 | KarlKFI | i did |
| 00:35.28 | Iriel | which rawget got a nil? |
| 00:35.42 | KarlKFI | in VFMETHODS:_ObjectComplete |
| 00:35.54 | KarlKFI | local inherits = rawget(spec,"inherits"); |
| 00:35.58 | KarlKFI | spec was nil |
| 00:36.08 | Iriel | Hm, that shouldn't happen! |
| 00:38.01 | KarlKFI | happens when i gave the font a name |
| 00:38.10 | KarlKFI | but i was using name = "randomfontname" |
| 00:38.19 | KarlKFI | so it was returning the name |
| 00:38.33 | Kirkburn1 | Very, VERY odd ... http://nata2.info/humor/pictures/whitelines.gif |
| 00:40.07 | KarlKFI | if i just do object = CreateFont(name or " unnamed font "); it does the same thing |
| 00:40.20 | KarlKFI | spec is nil |
| 00:40.30 | Iriel | I think I know why, one moment |
| 00:44.42 | Iriel | KarlKFI : I've uploaded IrielVirtualFrames-0.4-dev-11000.zip |
| 00:44.51 | Iriel | It hopefully fixed both issues |
| 00:44.56 | Iriel | I added a bunch of comments for you as well |
| 00:45.10 | Iriel | Though my major version changed since I fixed a couple of quirks |
| 00:48.04 | KarlKFI | line endings ftl |
| 00:48.32 | Iriel | I did untabify everything for you |
| 00:48.42 | Iriel | hopefully my code became readable 8-) |
| 00:49.01 | KarlKFI | it's still rather haphazard actually |
| 00:49.10 | KarlKFI | better tho |
| 00:49.33 | KarlKFI | i'll just have to find/replace all you 3 spaces with a tab ;) |
| 00:50.00 | KarlKFI | almost worked |
| 00:50.33 | KarlKFI | those functions that return functions are kinda funny looking |
| 00:50.52 | Iriel | KarlKFI : Haphazard?? |
| 00:50.58 | Iriel | KarlKFI : it's lua-mode's indentation |
| 00:51.18 | KarlKFI | if you say so. |
| 00:51.27 | KarlKFI | local ok, err = pcall(p.func, |
| 00:51.27 | KarlKFI | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.27 | KarlKFI | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.37 | KarlKFI | looks kinda silly to me |
| 00:52.18 | KarlKFI | self:Error("Attempted to set " .. k .. " script on a " |
| 00:52.18 | KarlKFI | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.36 | KarlKFI | if i wanted linewrapping i woulda turned it on :P |
| 00:52.51 | Iriel | I work in 78 columns |
| 00:53.11 | KarlKFI | that ight explain it |
| 00:53.26 | KarlKFI | i have a widescreen and a zillion collumns |
| 00:53.30 | Iriel | I developed on serial line connected dumb terminals at one point |
| 00:53.41 | Iriel | I tried widescreen editing once, but it's too annoying for others |
| 00:53.50 | KarlKFI | if you say so |
| 00:54.31 | KarlKFI | my page never takes up the whole screen |
| 00:54.46 | KarlKFI | anyway.. still getting an error |
| 00:54.57 | Iriel | A new one? |
| 00:55.12 | KarlKFI | something about instancing, trying to track it down |
| 00:55.16 | Iriel | (Sadly i'm at work so I cant test these changes) |
| 00:55.32 | Iriel | Did you update your GetINstance calls with the new major version? |
| 00:55.38 | KarlKFI | yes |
| 00:56.39 | Iriel | Hm, dunno then, if you give me the exact wording I can tell you what causes it |
| 00:56.41 | KarlKFI | LrielVirtualFrames.lua has a lua error |
| 00:56.54 | KarlKFI | ) expected near ~ line 656 |
| 00:57.06 | Iriel | That's what I get for trying to clean up 8-) |
| 00:57.25 | KarlKFI | heh: (objType ~x= 'Font') |
| 00:57.32 | Iriel | Heh, oops |
| 00:58.10 | Iriel | I'm sure you can fix that one 8-) |
| 00:58.29 | KarlKFI | did, now i just have to redissable warnings |
| 00:58.37 | Kirkburn1 | My ClearFont site gets 200 visits a day, more than I expected! |
| 00:58.53 | KarlKFI | you're special |
| 00:59.03 | Kirkburn1 | heh |
| 00:59.19 | KarlKFI | this cold sucks |
| 01:00.05 | KarlKFI | well the frame shows up |
| 01:00.14 | KarlKFI | but it doesn't have any texts |
| 01:01.16 | Iriel | Hm, that's a start |
| 01:01.30 | Iriel | The question is, how od you set button text? |
| 01:01.45 | Iriel | With :SetText() on the button, or via the NormalText's :SetText() ? |
| 01:02.25 | KarlKFI | Text = "KHAOS_LOGIN_EDIT"; |
| 01:03.32 | KarlKFI | in the template |
| 01:04.00 | Kirkburn | Hmm, the reply I just got from amazon is mostly identical to the one they sent me earlier, except that it contradicts itself this time :) |
| 01:05.19 | Kirkburn | (however, I can tell which part was actually written by a human) |
| 01:05.34 | Iriel | KarlKFI : One thing I know I dont do right is lookup text with TEXT when it's set, at least I dont think I added that yet |
| 01:05.47 | KarlKFI | Iriel: looks liek you don't have SetText anywhere in your code |
| 01:05.48 | Iriel | KarlKFI : So right now it gets set literally |
| 01:06.11 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.44 | KarlKFI | and that does.. |
| 01:07.48 | Iriel | That means if there's a "Text" property, call object.SetText with its value |
| 01:07.54 | KarlKFI | oic methodName = "Set" .. key; |
| 01:08.20 | KarlKFI | it's still not getting set |
| 01:08.47 | Iriel | Which object are you setting it on? |
| 01:09.31 | Iriel | Oh, I think I know why. |
| 01:09.41 | KarlKFI | Button, FontString.. |
| 01:10.09 | Iriel | Move the self:_AddPropertyHandler(Create_PH_SpecialFontSetter("TextFontObject"), |
| 01:10.10 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.14 | Iriel | line, up above the "Text" one |
| 01:11.59 | Iriel | I haven't really ordered the properties properly yet, since there were so many missing methods |
| 01:12.46 | Iriel | But if you flip the order, it'll do the SetTextFontObject call BEFORE the SetText call |
| 01:12.51 | KarlKFI | ok, that works for buttons, still doesn't work for my checkbox or dropdown or fontstring |
| 01:13.06 | KarlKFI | and the text dissapears on mouseover of the buttons |
| 01:13.18 | Iriel | Just move the text setter to the very end of the list 8-) |
| 01:13.29 | Iriel | They get processed in order |
| 01:13.43 | Iriel | And with the pre-1.11 button text impolementation, it's an object creation issue |
| 01:14.39 | KarlKFI | odd, i moved it to the bottom and now it only works on mouseover.. |
| 01:14.40 | Kirkburn | Dammit, why don't amazon support read the report I originally sent "these two items were missing from my package" .... reply: "I'm sorry to here you haven't received your package, please check with your local post branch" |
| 01:14.52 | Kirkburn | *hear |
| 01:15.11 | Iriel | KarlKFI : That's just wierd |
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| 01:17.14 | KarlKFI | ah, it was cause i moved self:_AddPropertyHandler(Create_PH_SpecialFontSetter("TextFontObject"), "NormalText"); back down |
| 01:17.33 | KarlKFI | if i put that where the Text was and move text to the bottom it works all the time |
| 01:17.46 | KarlKFI | now, to figure out why it doesn't work for my chckbox |
| 01:19.08 | Kirkburn | Anyways, night night all |
| 01:26.17 | KarlKFI | there you go, it wasn't being set |
| 01:26.22 | KarlKFI | that'd do it |
| 01:26.59 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 01:27.35 | Iriel | The next version of my lib will have all of the Property Handlers in a deliberate order, rather than type/alphabetical |
| 01:28.04 | KarlKFI | wish there was some way to assign a template to have a function that gets passed to a children |
| 01:28.22 | KarlKFI | like this.SetText = getglobal(this:GetName().."Text").SetText; |
| 01:28.37 | KarlKFI | except have it happen before runtime |
| 01:28.45 | KarlKFI | before OnLoad |
| 01:29.46 | KarlKFI | or even better, so that I could use the Text="blah" on the frame |
| 01:30.37 | Iriel | I guess the idea is you'd just do that in your OnLoad block |
| 01:30.59 | KarlKFI | cept then any OnLoad from teh inheriting frame would overridde it |
| 01:32.04 | KarlKFI | and it wouldn't work in defining the inheriting frame |
| 01:32.50 | Iriel | All I mean is.. |
| 01:33.10 | Iriel | actually, no, I know what you're asking |
| 01:33.23 | Iriel | you mean some way to assign the function when you INSTANTIATE the template? |
| 01:33.35 | Iriel | So it's not in the template, it's in the code that inherits it? |
| 01:33.36 | KarlKFI | ya |
| 01:33.51 | KarlKFI | i think |
| 01:34.28 | Iriel | that would be trickier |
| 01:34.47 | KarlKFI | :) |
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| 01:36.00 | KarlKFI | OnInstantiation |
| 01:36.25 | MentalPower | looks like I walked in to something interesting |
| 01:36.36 | MentalPower | anyone care to PM the convo? :) |
| 01:36.56 | KarlKFI | nah, just me making a complex frame with iriel's dynamic code template system |
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| 01:39.15 | norganna | Cairenn: Are you around? |
| 01:39.22 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 01:39.43 | norganna | Is it ok if I send you an email for you to maybe forward on to slouken? |
| 01:39.53 | Cairenn | certainly :) |
| 01:40.01 | Cairenn | cairenn AT wowinterface DOT com |
| 01:40.35 | norganna | cairenn at eqinterface dot com don't work anymore? |
| 01:40.56 | Cairenn | that works too |
| 01:41.03 | Cairenn | everything actually goes there |
| 01:41.09 | norganna | lol - ok, well that's where i sent it to. |
| 01:41.32 | Cairenn | good enough :) |
| 01:41.55 | norganna | meh - that's what's in my address book, so it's easier :P |
| 01:41.56 | Iriel | KarlKFI : the question there is, at what point during instantiation do you want to run it 8-) |
| 01:42.38 | Cairenn | norganna: not a problem hun, the others all just forward through that addy, I'm just used to saying whichever one is applicable to the crowd I'm chatting with ;) |
| 01:42.40 | KarlKFI | well ideally I'd be able to set a SetText that could then be used by the Text value on the instantiating frame |
| 01:42.54 | norganna | i've actually got slouken's email, but i feel better not mailing him direct like. |
| 01:45.19 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 01:45.41 | Cairenn | whereas he and I are friends and chat multiple times a day |
| 01:46.16 | KarlKFI | you're female too, that helps ;) |
| 01:46.22 | norganna | (you left it in one email you forwarded back to me, so technically, i guess i'm not s'posed to have it :P) |
| 01:46.45 | Cairenn | norganna: yeah, I forget sometimes, I try not to though ... it's been forwarded :) |
| 01:47.19 | Cairenn | heh, he just "BOO!"'d me, so was about to be yapping at him anyway |
| 01:48.25 | norganna | "BOO!"d *you*??? |
| 01:48.35 | norganna | egads! |
| 01:48.40 | Cairenn | yeah, you know ... "BOO!" ... "Eek!" |
| 01:48.49 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 01:49.12 | norganna | ahhh... the *good* kinda "BOO!" |
| 01:50.26 | Cairenn | yeah, the silly "friends teasing each other" type of "Boo" |
| 01:51.07 | norganna | the jump-outta-behind-furniture-to-scare-ya type of "BOO!" |
| 01:51.33 | Cairenn | yup |
| 01:51.40 | Cairenn | he's a pest that way ;) |
| 01:53.21 | KarlKFI | it's a nerd thing |
| 01:57.00 | KarlKFI | anyone know how to adjust the width of a dropdown? |
| 01:59.57 | KarlKFI | you'd think UIDropDownMenu_SetWidth would work.. |
| 02:01.33 | Iriel | Does it not work in your initialize function? |
| 02:02.11 | KarlKFI | oh right |
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| 02:04.00 | KarlKFI | attempt to index nil |
| 02:04.12 | KarlKFI | it doesn't like getglobal(frame:GetName().."Middle"):SetWidth(width); |
| 02:04.34 | Iriel | hm |
| 02:04.44 | Iriel | dunno then |
| 02:04.55 | KarlKFI | odd tho, cause i defined Middle |
| 02:06.21 | KarlKFI | it's in UIDropDownMenuTemplate |
| 02:07.05 | Iriel | Check that frame is what you think it is? |
| 02:08.17 | KarlKFI | it is |
| 02:09.57 | KarlKFI | or not.. |
| 02:10.40 | KarlKFI | this wasn't what i thought it was |
| 02:13.05 | KarlKFI | apparently DropDownList1 doens't have a Middle |
| 02:24.24 | norganna | bye Iriel |
| 02:24.34 | cmunn | Keep it real, gangsta' |
| 02:24.50 | KarlKFI | should see a pic of my expoits by the time you get back |
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| 02:27.08 | Cairenn | later Irielious |
| 02:27.25 | KarlKFI | Irielicious |
| 02:27.44 | norganna | just to make sure, all item id's are consistent across all the different regions, right? like a certain itemid is the same item in US, Europe and Asia. |
| 02:27.54 | KarlKFI | should be |
| 02:28.03 | norganna | Irielobubble |
| 02:40.32 | KarlKFI | http://70.187.188.195:81/games/wow/ScreenShots/PreferedLang.jpg |
| 02:40.37 | KarlKFI | entirely made in lua |
| 02:41.17 | norganna | access denied on that KarlKFI |
| 02:41.52 | KarlKFI | try again |
| 02:42.45 | norganna | nvm: it's probably my prox being stupid cause it's on port 81 |
| 02:43.02 | norganna | i just tried it without proxy and it works fine |
| 02:44.06 | norganna | looks good |
| 02:44.36 | norganna | preferred is spelt with 2 r's btw |
| 02:45.16 | Gryphen | and select with 1 l |
| 02:45.25 | norganna | lol |
| 02:45.29 | norganna | missed that one :P |
| 02:45.44 | KarlKFI | i'm not known for my spelling prowess |
| 02:47.19 | norganna | anyhow Available is wrong also :P |
| 02:48.03 | norganna | and Cancel on the button behind |
| 02:48.21 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 02:48.32 | KarlKFI | i put in as many as i could think of |
| 02:48.46 | norganna | languages? |
| 02:50.40 | Gryphen | spelling errors |
| 02:52.40 | norganna | ah, hahah :D |
| 02:56.22 | KarlKFI | meh, it's 100 times more complicated to make dynamic frames |
| 03:00.03 | KarlKFI | so.. IVF is embeddable, wonder if I can use it in an embeddable addon |
| 03:09.53 | Cairenn | so, any one who plays primarily horde side on atm? |
| 03:13.06 | Cairenn | is anyone awake at all? :p |
| 03:14.08 | Gryphen | no horde at least |
| 03:15.10 | Cairenn | I just trying to decide which centaur quest I should do in Desolace, the Magram or the Gelkis |
| 03:16.05 | Cairenn | I know there's one side to choose, from the alliance side, due to quest rewards, but wasn't sure on horde side |
| 03:17.48 | KarlKFI | i think i skipped um all |
| 03:28.49 | norganna | just wondering if theres an embeddable sky-compatible library around somewhere? like so i can use Sky if the user has it, or speak on the sky channel in sky-speak if not. |
| 03:29.46 | norganna | is sky-speak hard to talk in? maybe i can just do it myself... |
| 03:30.31 | KarlKFI | no, i haven't made an embeddable one yet |
| 03:31.20 | norganna | I don't have much experience with sky, but it does encode it's data packets, right? |
| 03:31.41 | KarlKFI | mmm, sorta |
| 03:32.20 | norganna | like so it can split them up and stuff |
| 03:32.20 | KarlKFI | you can send lua tables which get encoded and reevaluated |
| 03:32.52 | KarlKFI | normal text messages are split at max length and repackaged later |
| 03:33.41 | norganna | how does normal text get "packaged"? |
| 03:34.52 | KarlKFI | each msg is converted to an envelope table, the envelope is fed to Sky and then you get an envelope out on the other side |
| 03:37.39 | norganna | how difficult would it be to simulate this enveloping/unenveloping process do you think? |
| 03:38.22 | KarlKFI | depends on why and how robust you wanted to be |
| 03:40.23 | norganna | well, i want to let people re-use the sky channel if they are already using it, and have sky installed, but I don't want to make people install sky if they don't have it... the thing is if some users are using sky, and some aren't, they still need to be able to communicate. |
| 03:41.36 | KarlKFI | kinda defeats the purpose of a lib, eh? |
| 03:44.59 | norganna | sorta true... I would just broadcast my own messages over the sky channel (reusing sky so they don't need to join another channel) in my own format, except people who use sky need to be careful that they don't broadcast too much data, and observe the throttling that sky does, so if i just did my own thing, then there might be a chance they get disconnected. |
| 03:46.17 | norganna | so, people who use sky, i want to call using sky methods so that they get this protection, however i don't want to force people to use sky if they don't already have it. |
| 03:46.49 | KarlKFI | well, actually Sky now uses a blanket outgoing cap hooking SendChatMessage |
| 03:47.20 | norganna | ahhh, so sky will see my messages and count them anyhow? |
| 03:47.25 | KarlKFI | so that protects Sky from sending too many characters, but doesn't stop normal messages at all |
| 03:47.54 | norganna | my messages will be very small anyhow |
| 03:48.11 | KarlKFI | depends on how frequent |
| 03:48.18 | norganna | small and infreqent |
| 03:48.45 | norganna | < 1 per 5 mins on average |
| 03:48.49 | KarlKFI | what events? |
| 03:49.25 | norganna | this is for gatherer |
| 03:49.40 | KarlKFI | sending what? |
| 03:49.41 | norganna | so when they gather an item, it will send this message |
| 03:50.14 | norganna | itemid, zone, x, y |
| 03:52.31 | KarlKFI | why? |
| 03:53.51 | norganna | it's part of an optional shared-gathering database in gatherer. anyone who participates can share their gathers with other gatherer users. |
| 03:55.18 | KarlKFI | as oppossed to transmitting the whole database |
| 03:55.40 | norganna | uh, yeah, it only does one at a time |
| 03:55.51 | norganna | (when you gather it) |
| 03:56.00 | KarlKFI | kk |
| 03:56.41 | KarlKFI | ya, you can just use the Sky channel. you'll have to join and hide it yourself |
| 03:57.47 | norganna | sky will ignore any messages it doesn't understand? |
| 04:00.15 | KarlKFI | i think it ignores anything that doesn't start with <Sky |
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| 04:00.33 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 04:00.39 | norganna | hi |
| 04:00.44 | Esamynn | anyone every played around with UPDATE_CHAT_WINDOWS before? |
| 04:00.50 | Esamynn | s/every/ever/ |
| 04:02.12 | KarlKFI | probably |
| 04:02.26 | Esamynn | I'm just curious about how often is used to fire |
| 04:03.05 | Esamynn | because I think I found the cause of the chatframe switching tabs on ppl periodically |
| 04:05.25 | Gryphen | i just noticed that today, havent ever seen that before |
| 04:06.15 | Esamynn | I've gone back a couple versions of UI code and unless I'm reading things wrong this bug has existed for quite some time, it just hasn't been an issue until now because UPDATE_CHAT_WINDOWS rarely fired before |
| 04:08.20 | Esamynn | or at least that is the best theory I have been able to come up with |
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| 04:12.56 | Esamynn | Hey Iriel, do have any familiarity with the UPDATE_CHAT_WINDOWS event by any chance? |
| 04:13.49 | Iriel | Is that the one which fires shortly after login to configure chat windows? |
| 04:14.18 | Esamynn | yes, did it use to fire once every 20-30 seconds or so? |
| 04:15.09 | Iriel | Not AFAIK |
| 04:15.31 | Esamynn | well it does now, that is what is resetting ppl's chat frames back to showing ChatFrame1 all the time |
| 04:16.12 | Iriel | Aha the mystery is solved. |
| 04:16.23 | Iriel | People are cleaming that if you go into the new channel and leave it, the problem goes away |
| 04:16.34 | Iriel | It may be worth preserving a chat-cache file before and after to see what the difference is |
| 04:17.16 | Esamynn | actually, I think it's actually a long standing bug with the way the event updates undocked/unused chat frames |
| 04:17.26 | Esamynn | when that event fires |
| 04:17.31 | Iriel | But I dont think the event is supposed to fire after you login |
| 04:17.31 | Esamynn | it just wasn't an issue before |
| 04:17.36 | Esamynn | ahhh |
| 04:17.44 | Iriel | if it's the one I think it is, then it fires when your chat cache is loaded |
| 04:17.50 | Iriel | and configures your chat windows |
| 04:17.56 | Esamynn | yes, it does do that |
| 04:18.17 | Iriel | There's no reason for it to fire DURING play |
| 04:18.34 | Esamynn | gotcha |
| 04:18.57 | Esamynn | the wierd part is, if you have all 7 chat frames in use and they are ALL docked, then you won't see the problem |
| 04:19.05 | Esamynn | at least I don't think you will |
| 04:19.14 | Esamynn | I haven't actually tested that |
| 04:21.07 | Esamynn | the offending line of UI code is FloatingChatFrame.lua:1205 btw |
| 04:21.59 | Iriel | And once again I get randomly DC'ed from the server |
| 04:22.01 | Iriel | grr |
| 04:22.29 | Iriel | My chat cache did gain the line OPTION_GUILD_RECRUITMENT_CHANNEL STANDARD |
| 04:22.51 | Iriel | Oh, now I come to think of it |
| 04:23.04 | Iriel | the 2 times ive been DC'ed have been when I enter a city |
| 04:23.19 | Esamynn | interesting |
| 04:23.50 | Iriel | Not IMMEDIATELY, but sometime shortly after |
| 04:23.58 | Iriel | I wonder if it's receiving messages on that channel that does it |
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| 04:28.53 | Esamynn | hmm, one little check in the FCF_UnDockFrame function to see if the frame was actually docked before it was called would prevent the whole problem, no matter how often the event fired |
| 04:32.03 | Esamynn | brb |
| 04:40.00 | Esamynn | I'm going to post in 1.10.2 Bug - Chatframe auto-switches tabs thread and hope slouken is watching, maybe it's intended to be firing that often now and the UI code simply needs to be updated, who knows |
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| 04:54.55 | Esamynn | sigh, I forgot the code change, silly me ;) |
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| 04:58.25 | Kemayo | Hmmm... I wonder if KCEnhancedTrades will play nicely with Fizzwidget AutoCraft... |
| 05:08.23 | Esamynn | sigh, that code change breaks something, back to the drawing board |
| 05:14.45 | ckknight | hey, is there a way to tell if you're currently in a taxi? |
| 05:14.56 | Iriel | UnitOnTaxi("player") |
| 05:14.58 | Iriel | I think |
| 05:15.14 | ckknight | yep |
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| 05:16.06 | Esamynn | ok, code check: http://wow.pastebin.com/695627 I think that change will work Iriel |
| 05:16.07 | krka | also, almost all your spells are disabled |
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| 05:18.55 | Iriel | Esamynn : Err, no, since that stops you from ever undocking a frame |
| 05:19.03 | Esamynn | no it doesn't |
| 05:19.18 | Esamynn | I specifically tested that |
| 05:19.36 | Iriel | What is 'frame.isDocked' FOR then? |
| 05:19.52 | Esamynn | FCF_DockFrame has the following line frame.isDocked = 1; |
| 05:20.01 | Iriel | Did you try RESIZING a frame after undocking it |
| 05:20.04 | Iriel | post-your-change ? |
| 05:20.26 | Esamynn | Iriel: it has that line in the default code |
| 05:20.46 | Iriel | The line you removed, as far as I can tell, is frame.isDocked = nil; |
| 05:21.00 | Esamynn | I moved it |
| 05:21.12 | Iriel | Oh, I see |
| 05:21.49 | Esamynn | 8) |
| 05:22.10 | Iriel | Hm, i'm dubious about lines 16-22 being outside the if too |
| 05:22.39 | Iriel | or does the 'else' fix that? |
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| 05:23.02 | Iriel | I dont know the FCF functions well enough without reading them again |
| 05:23.08 | Iriel | and they tend to be headache inducing |
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| 05:24.08 | Iriel | Wouldn't a better solution be to make FloatingChatFrame_Update sensitive to this.isInitialized? |
| 05:25.13 | Corrodias | yes. your functions are too insensitive. |
| 05:25.29 | Esamynn | I hadn't tried that, my code was originally: http://wow.pastebin.com/695632 |
| 05:25.36 | Esamynn | but the broke the docking mechanism some how |
| 05:25.39 | Iriel | soemthing like if (onUpdateEvent and chatFrame.isInitialized) then set some flag |
| 05:25.50 | Iriel | and only issue show/hide dock/undocs if the state actually CHANGES |
| 05:26.09 | Esamynn | so I decided to let the call chain in the original code continue, just on the docked frame that was supposed to be on top |
| 05:29.06 | Esamynn | Basically I figured it would be best to let the ChatFrames actually do all the updates that the code currently does, but fix the problem with SELECTED_DOCK_FRAME being reset |
| 05:32.17 | Esamynn | http://wow.pastebin.com/695634 breaks the docked frame anchors, unless I inserted the init check in the wrong place |
| 05:34.41 | Esamynn | so does: http://wow.pastebin.com/695636 |
| 05:35.56 | Esamynn | I think because of the nature of the event, it is best to fully update the chat frames, but instead correctly pick the value of SELECTED_DOCK_FRAME |
| 05:36.52 | Iriel | That's not quite right tho |
| 05:39.17 | Esamynn | How so? |
| 05:40.19 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/695638 |
| 05:40.21 | Iriel | More like that |
| 05:46.03 | Esamynn | hmm, that doesn't break things, it just causes the last tab on the docked frames to grow a little until you click it |
| 05:48.09 | Esamynn | What is the harm in letting the event cause all of the chat frame positions to be completely updated? |
| 05:48.42 | Iriel | Doesn't it cause the tabs to always get re-show in the dock area? |
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| 05:50.46 | Wobin_ | Does anyone know if Netflix delivers outside of America? |
| 05:50.55 | Wobin_ | (or any other simliar service) |
| 05:51.13 | Cairenn | I believe there is something similar in Canada, not that that does you much good |
| 05:51.50 | Esamynn | Iriel: nope it doesn't although I just observed the tabs of the unselected frame being hidden if you are currently hovering over the docked frames |
| 05:52.13 | Esamynn | when the event fires |
| 05:57.18 | Esamynn | maybe http://wow.pastebin.com/695638 is better, but I need to look into the disappearing tabs |
| 05:57.42 | Esamynn | use http://wow.pastebin.com/695649 I highlighted the change |
| 06:03.20 | Esamynn | whoa |
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| 06:03.53 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 06:03.53 | purl | :), Esamynn |
| 06:03.53 | Esamynn | well, that was interesting |
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| 06:08.53 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:11.38 | Cairenn | hey s|loup |
| 06:11.38 | Cairenn | and, g'night all, sleep time for me ... |
| 06:12.22 | norganna | goodnight cair |
| 06:12.23 | Cairenn|sleep | won't be around much tomorrow, daughter's Senior Year Recital |
| 06:13.30 | Cairenn|sleep | will be spending most of the day running hither and yon, then the evening at the recital |
| 06:16.35 | Iriel | Well, enjoy your day of non-electronicness |
| 06:16.52 | Iriel | I'll try and keep the approval queue below 100 entries 8-) |
| 06:18.17 | Esamynn | Night Cair, enjoy :) |
| 06:19.19 | Kemayo | Indeed, enjoy the recital. :) |
| 06:19.39 | KarlKFI | approval queue? You doing wowi duties now iriel? |
| 06:19.42 | Kemayo | (Incidentally, this is the slowest .1 patch I've seen yet...) |
| 06:19.53 | Esamynn | Iriel: ok, I've come up with http://wow.pastebin.com/695663 I think that makes the most sense |
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| 06:20.25 | Kemayo | Iriel ascended to Modhood recently. |
| 06:21.10 | Esamynn | and then became a dino ;) |
| 06:21.31 | KarlKFI | well i knew about the mvpness |
| 06:21.36 | Iriel | the dino thing sort of happened a while ago, at least, I got invited a while back, but then Tyren was out for a bit |
| 06:21.53 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 06:22.04 | KarlKFI | didn't know cair had conned you into modding wowi tho |
| 06:22.10 | Esamynn | lol |
| 06:23.48 | Iriel | I'm just there to help, not to beat people with sticks |
| 06:23.51 | Iriel | unless they deserve it |
| 06:24.14 | KarlKFI | mmhmm |
| 06:27.09 | Esamynn | hmm, the question is, do I upload a small AddOn as a temporary fix.... |
| 06:27.19 | Esamynn | for others |
| 06:27.26 | Iriel | That's what I did in the past for some of the other issues |
| 06:28.57 | Esamynn | hmm, can AddOns be completely removed from WoWI, once the problem is fixed |
| 06:29.13 | Iriel | You can make your addon check the build id |
| 06:29.20 | Iriel | and not activate itself if it's different |
| 06:29.42 | Iriel | and I would imagine an addon can be totally removed if you need to |
| 06:29.52 | Iriel | I'm sure Cairenn and Dolby have the power |
| 06:29.54 | Esamynn | yah, looks like I would have to ask an Admin though |
| 06:29.56 | Iriel | afterall Dolby has ULTIMATE power |
| 06:30.00 | Esamynn | lol |
| 06:30.11 | Esamynn | Dolby must be Evil then.... |
| 06:30.31 | Iriel | He wields his power for GOOD!@ |
| 06:32.12 | Esamynn | ok, so what function gets you the build number, I've never spotted one on the Wiki |
| 06:32.23 | Iriel | GetBuildInfo |
| 06:32.25 | Iriel | it was added in 1.10 |
| 06:32.46 | Esamynn | ah ha, not documented |
| 06:33.03 | Iriel | NEW - version, build, buildDate = GetBuildInfo() |
| 06:33.19 | Esamynn | on the wiki I mean |
| 06:33.30 | Iriel | ah no, not yet |
| 06:33.37 | Iriel | I'm behind on my wiki duties |
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| 06:35.45 | Kemayo_ | I'm looking forward to getting a new computer. |
| 06:39.48 | Iriel | always an exiciting adventure |
| 06:40.03 | Esamynn | darn it, where did I put that place holder image |
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| 06:43.29 | Elkano | Iriel, when did you get that avatar? <3 |
| 06:43.50 | Iriel | yesterday i think |
| 06:43.57 | Iriel | yeah, yesterday |
| 06:44.08 | Esamynn | Iriel: can you approve that for me plz |
| 06:44.12 | Elkano | and what kind of 'group' you're now in? (since you're having different colored text than other users) |
| 06:44.35 | s|loup | hm iriel can we get a function for raid/party to resolve the afk/dnd status of members like in GetFriendInfo() ? |
| 06:45.23 | Esamynn | Elkano |
| 06:45.28 | Iriel | I'm an MVP |
| 06:45.30 | Esamynn | Elkano: Iriel is an MVP now |
| 06:45.37 | Iriel | The "UI Forum MVP" |
| 06:45.56 | Elkano | MVP? |
| 06:46.02 | Wobin_ | Most Valued Poster? |
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| 06:46.08 | Elkano | most valuable person? |
| 06:46.51 | Elkano | but anyways: grats :) |
| 06:47.04 | Iriel | p might stand for poster, not sure 8-) |
| 06:48.31 | Wobin_ | Do you have different coloured text? |
| 06:48.48 | Wobin_ | I'm finding it hard to differentiate |
| 06:48.57 | Wobin_ | But I like the dino =) |
| 06:49.01 | Iriel | yes, it's slightly light blue |
| 06:49.59 | Elkano | btw: I should add a function to check for items in ItemDB's session table since these are 100% linksafe (wrt the post in the 1.11 thread) |
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| 06:52.34 | Esamynn | Iriel: would you approve my "fix" AddOn on WoWI plz? |
| 06:54.32 | Iriel | done |
| 06:54.57 | Esamynn | thanks :) |
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| 06:59.00 | Esamynn | hmm, the build number isn't platform specific is it? anyone got a Mac client, if so, what is the 2nd return value from GetBuildInfo()? :) |
| 07:02.05 | Esamynn | oh well, hopefully not |
| 07:05.09 | Elkano | Esamynn, what exactly is the bug/fix? |
| 07:06.11 | Esamynn | if you have multiple docked chat frames, periodically, the shown frame will be reset to the first one, regardless of which one you currently have selected |
| 07:06.29 | Esamynn | my fix replaces a couple of functions from the default |
| 07:06.38 | Esamynn | ui to resolve the issue |
| 07:07.03 | Esamynn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=371614&p=1&tmp=1#post371614 |
| 07:07.04 | Elkano | ok, since EU servers aren't up yet I didn't have this problems yet, but thx for the fix :) |
| 07:08.10 | Elkano | but with the patch having been up on PTR I wonder why noone noticed (or why blizzard said: hey, lets break sth after testing... ;) ) |
| 07:08.51 | Iriel | There wasn't much to be testing, plus they broke character transfers |
| 07:09.08 | Elkano | hmm.. there's a 5302 on wdn listed as having been on PTR so... strange... |
| 07:10.17 | Esamynn | anyways, good night all |
| 07:10.23 | Elkano | gnight :) |
| 07:10.28 | norganna | nite |
| 07:10.45 | Esamynn | if anyone discovers a client version, whether is an EU build or a Mac build that doesn't use 5302 as it's build number, plz let me know |
| 07:11.44 | Iriel | I believe the build number is autogenerated by the build process |
| 07:11.52 | Iriel | so I would imagine it's consistent |
| 07:12.13 | Esamynn | that's my assumption, but as I said, i'm being paranoid now ;) |
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| 07:13.55 | Elkano | deDE has 5302, too |
| 07:20.57 | norganna | is there anyway to tell the build number by looking at a file? |
| 07:21.17 | norganna | or do you have to boot up wow? |
| 07:22.58 | Iriel | it may be in the properties on the file |
| 07:23.06 | Iriel | WoW.exe that is |
| 07:23.23 | norganna | (mac) |
| 07:24.17 | norganna | ahh - it does have properties too |
| 07:24.24 | norganna | 5230 |
| 07:24.42 | norganna | (but i haven't patched yet) |
| 07:28.07 | Iriel | That was the PC 1.10.1 build ID tho |
| 07:28.12 | Iriel | so you've verified that they're the same |
| 07:32.34 | norganna | and now it's 5302 |
| 07:38.14 | Iriel | time to sleep |
| 07:38.17 | Iriel | goodnight all |
| 07:38.26 | s|loup | n8 |
| 07:39.56 | Kalroth | beefcake! |
| 07:41.35 | krka|work | did he mean that as a hexadecimal number? |
| 07:41.56 | krka|work | ... |
| 07:42.04 | norganna | K is not hex? |
| 07:42.05 | krka|work | no, there's a K there |
| 07:42.09 | krka|work | <-- stupid |
| 07:43.02 | krka|work | but it was so close :/ |
| 07:43.08 | norganna | Maybe he meant BEEFCACE |
| 07:43.15 | krka|work | or BEEFCAFE |
| 07:43.25 | norganna | mmmm - yummp |
| 07:43.26 | krka|work | there are too few cafes that have that specialty |
| 07:43.41 | norganna | aww - now i'm gettin hungry |
| 07:45.16 | norganna | mmm - #BEEFCAFE is a really nice mauve... |
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| 07:47.10 | Kalroth | BADBEEF! |
| 07:47.17 | krka|work | hmm |
| 07:47.19 | krka|work | BE as alpha? |
| 07:47.30 | norganna | yeah |
| 07:47.45 | norganna | Kalroth: it'd be 0BADBEEF, surely |
| 07:47.56 | krka|work | CAFEBABE |
| 07:48.08 | norganna | oooh |
| 07:48.14 | Kalroth | BEEFBABE! mooo! |
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| 07:48.30 | norganna | now i wanna go to that cafe and have a steak... |
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| 08:00.20 | Kemayo | Protip: Don't jump off the Stonewrought Dam. |
| 08:01.27 | Tem|WoW | guh |
| 08:01.36 | Tem|WoW | anyone have a diff of 1.10.2 with 1.10.1? |
| 08:01.43 | Tem|WoW | the wdn links are broken atm |
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| 08:05.00 | Tem|WoW | they changed StaticPopup.lua, but I can't tell where >< |
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| 08:07.09 | krka|work | you mean this? http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=details&vd=01025257&ct=lcompare&rid=3 |
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| 08:07.54 | Tem|WoW | I get an error when I try to view that page |
| 08:08.09 | Tem|WoW | but I did manage to find an old copy |
| 08:08.09 | krka|work | oh |
| 08:08.17 | krka|work | they just swapped two lines |
| 08:08.22 | Tem|WoW | they switched the order of 2 lines |
| 08:08.24 | Tem|WoW | yeah.. |
| 08:08.28 | Tem|WoW | that totally fucks me |
| 08:08.38 | Tem|WoW | I was resizing the thing OnShow |
| 08:08.38 | krka|work | you're too sensitive :P |
| 08:09.04 | krka|work | hook StaticPopup_Resize instead then : |
| 08:09.08 | Tem|WoW | no |
| 08:09.38 | krka|work | wouldn't that work? |
| 08:09.41 | Tem|WoW | it would |
| 08:10.48 | krka|work | idealogical reasons? |
| 08:12.31 | Tem|WoW | aye |
| 08:12.33 | Tem|WoW | that's messy |
| 08:13.00 | Tem|WoW | sorta pisses me off that they made the change at all |
| 08:13.13 | Tem|WoW | trying to figure out why |
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| 08:13.50 | Tem|WoW | my current guess is someone got paranoid about adjusting size when the frame wasn't visible |
| 08:14.46 | Kaso | :< why do half the Comparison thingy not work :< |
| 08:15.19 | Tem|WoW | none of them work for me |
| 08:16.11 | krka|work | thou shalt not fear the hook, thou shalt embrace it! |
| 08:16.22 | Tem|WoW | I don't like hooks |
| 08:16.28 | krka|work | for the hook is good and the hook helpest thou |
| 08:16.39 | Tem|WoW | but in this case a hook is probably the easiest solution |
| 08:16.44 | Tem|WoW | plus I'm sleepy |
| 08:17.29 | krka|work | hooks can be bad sometimes, yeah, but this case should be fine |
| 08:18.07 | Tem|WoW | aye |
| 08:18.16 | Tem|WoW | espcially since I unhook almost imediately |
| 08:21.41 | Kaso | Bah, why do they turn off Load Out of Date addons every patch, drives me mad |
| 08:23.00 | Qaarh | Kaso, every time I go like "hey, where did my addons go?" |
| 08:23.04 | norganna | to reduce the number of people who post stuff like "The latest patch broke WoW, nothing works now, You suck Blizzard!" |
| 08:24.06 | Kaso | then we just get people in the UI forums saying "The patch broke all my addons!" :> |
| 08:24.25 | norganna | yup - but that costs blizzard nothing |
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| 08:25.03 | norganna | because it's us whacky addon authors who are to blame |
| 08:25.21 | krka|work | Tem|WoW, unhooking on the other hand is evil :) |
| 08:25.25 | Kaso | ha ha true |
| 08:25.58 | norganna | Tem|WoW: yah - what if some other addon hooked in after you? |
| 08:26.06 | Tem|WoW | safe hooks |
| 08:26.07 | krka|work | no one probably will have time |
| 08:26.21 | krka|work | if he hooks on OnShow and unhooks directly |
| 08:26.41 | Tem|WoW | I hook OnShow which is called *immediately* before the function I hook |
| 08:26.44 | krka|work | personally i prefer the "never unhook"-approach |
| 08:26.54 | Tem|WoW | I prefer a safe hook |
| 08:26.56 | norganna | what if some other addon does exactly the same though? |
| 08:26.58 | Tem|WoW | remove if you can |
| 08:27.07 | Tem|WoW | deactivate if you can't |
| 08:27.37 | Tem|WoW | norganna: you are missing the point. I don't have to worry about it because AceHooks is designed to play nice with other people's hooks |
| 08:27.52 | Wobin_ | Kemayo: I've done that. |
| 08:28.00 | Wobin_ | Kemayo: With levitate on |
| 08:28.27 | norganna | Tem|WoW: lol |
| 08:28.28 | Wobin_ | Although shortcutting from the top of IF to the wetlands with levitate is fun |
| 08:28.45 | Tem|WoW | Wobin_: yeah I've done that a few times on my mage... crazy fun |
| 08:29.03 | Tem|WoW | norganna: it's a very nice convenience to know that you never have to worry about your hooks |
| 08:29.17 | Tem|WoW | to know that they will always "just work" without causing problems |
| 08:29.18 | Wobin_ | levitate rocks for waterwalking equivalent |
| 08:29.26 | norganna | i guess... have to trust the other guy to have thought about everything but |
| 08:29.42 | norganna | i bet acehooks don't unhook |
| 08:30.49 | Tem|WoW | huh? |
| 08:31.15 | norganna | i just can't for the life of me think of a 100% safe way to unhook... |
| 08:31.24 | Tem|WoW | it's very easy |
| 08:31.45 | Tem|WoW | you check if the original location is still your function |
| 08:31.56 | Tem|WoW | if it is, you can unhook as normal |
| 08:32.04 | Tem|WoW | if it isn't, you deactivate your own hook |
| 08:32.18 | Tem|WoW | so that the hook chain isn't broken |
| 08:32.42 | norganna | yup - standard mouse.com tsr unloading |
| 08:32.49 | Wobin_ | Essentially, it's not specifically a 100% safe way to unhook, but more of a 100% safe way not to break the chain |
| 08:33.12 | Tem|WoW | no, it's a 100% safe way to "unhook" |
| 08:33.22 | Tem|WoW | where unhook means to not run your function in place of the old anymore |
| 08:36.33 | Tem|WoW | anyway, the chances that anyone would hook this in between my hook and unhook calls is so miniscule it's retarded |
| 08:37.01 | norganna | yeah - they'd essentially have to be doing exactly the same thing as you were |
| 08:37.05 | Tem|WoW | I hook in the OnShow of *my custom static popup* |
| 08:37.19 | Tem|WoW | not some standard one that another addon might be dealing with |
| 08:37.34 | krka|work | acehooks are way too complicated, imo :) |
| 08:37.52 | Tem|WoW | it's pretty straightforward to me |
| 08:38.01 | Tem|WoW | but I'm familliar with the system so my opinion doesn't count |
| 08:38.26 | krka|work | i meant the implementation, not the usage |
| 08:38.43 | Tem|WoW | I was talking about the implementation |
| 08:39.55 | Tem|WoW | anyway, I'm crazy tired |
| 08:40.07 | Tem|WoW | and was hoping to be asleep like 2 hours ago |
| 08:40.10 | Tem|WoW | night everyone |
| 08:40.24 | norganna | nite tem :) nice arguing with you :P |
| 08:40.29 | Tem|Sleep | :) |
| 08:40.42 | Tem|Sleep | sorry if I came across snippy |
| 08:40.47 | Tem|Sleep | I'm real, real sleepy |
| 08:40.57 | norganna | nah - i love a good debate, even when i lose |
| 08:41.24 | Tem|Sleep | :) good talking with you |
| 08:53.18 | norgs|away | nite all |
| 08:53.41 | Kalroth | g'night norgy |
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| 09:02.01 | Kalroth | tjena Cide! |
| 09:02.22 | Cide | hi |
| 09:02.42 | Kalroth | I think that's the swedish word for hi anyways |
| 09:04.39 | Cide | one of em :) |
| 09:04.56 | groll | lol http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-shaman&t=523748&p=1#post523748 |
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| 10:01.19 | wereHamster | what chatframe problem is this referring to: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4929 ? |
| 10:02.47 | Corrodias | something about europe, isn't it? |
| 10:03.14 | Corrodias | <Esamynn> if you have multiple docked chat frames, periodically, the shown frame will be reset to the first one, regardless of which one you currently have selected |
| 10:03.36 | Corrodias | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=371614&p=1&tmp=1#post371614 |
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| 10:08.04 | wereHamster | ah.. Esamynn is known as jbcc on WoWI :) |
| 10:09.12 | Wobin_ | yeah, I have that issue |
| 10:18.58 | Elkano | did the official forum just die? "Forum Not Ready" |
| 10:25.07 | Maldivia | it does that more or less daily... |
| 10:25.12 | Maldivia | forum maintenance, I think |
| 10:26.08 | Elkano | ok, since it's the US forums, it should be around 4am over there... |
| 10:27.38 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 10:28.46 | Maldivia | 6.30am EST, 3.30am PST |
| 10:31.45 | Elkano | so -6 to -9 from mine :) |
| 10:32.58 | Maldivia | yep :9 |
| 10:33.27 | Maldivia | or check this: http://www.mip.sdu.dk/~tyrant/timezones.php - a simple script I created for a forum signature a few years back :) |
| 10:34.49 | Maldivia | listing GMT, european, the 4 main american, japanese and new zeeland time |
| 10:35.25 | Maldivia | basically, because I was in a guild at the moment, with people from those places :) |
| 10:41.05 | wereHamster | Maldivia, Nah nah... |
| 10:41.12 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 10:41.30 | wereHamster | but valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional :) |
| 10:43.37 | Cide | off by 2h for me :) |
| 10:43.43 | Cide | GMT +1 and DST, I assume |
| 10:58.08 | Maldivia | Cide: daylight saving... |
| 10:58.12 | Maldivia | yep |
| 10:58.33 | Maldivia | note, it's listed as CEST not CET :) |
| 11:02.24 | Cide | ya :) |
| 11:02.36 | Cide | woot, three quadrants implemented.. one to go |
| 11:05.46 | krka|work | quadrants of what? |
| 11:06.48 | Cide | my pie chart! |
| 11:08.23 | krka|work | any wow related stuff? |
| 11:09.17 | Cide | well, it's a pie chart for wow |
| 11:10.16 | krka|work | view statistics as pie charts in wow? O_o |
| 11:10.31 | Cide | ya :) |
| 11:11.16 | krka|work | cool for damage meters and stuff |
| 11:13.24 | Cide | all four quadrants are in |
| 11:14.27 | Cide | now I need to add in circle subsets and make the code a bit nicer |
| 11:20.59 | Cide | not sure how to add in circle subsets really.. hm |
| 11:30.45 | krka|work | circle subsets? |
| 11:33.55 | Cide | http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/random/PieParts.gif |
| 11:34.22 | Cide | the parts that aren't covered by triangles |
| 11:34.42 | krka|work | doesn't iriel already have code for that? |
| 11:34.47 | Cide | no |
| 11:35.15 | krka|work | hmm... i think you only need a circle texture and some clipping |
| 11:35.59 | Elkano | btw: maldivia, you havent released enchantme with deDE loc yet, do you? |
| 11:36.05 | Cide | well, I can't just scale a 1/4th of a circle into place |
| 11:36.13 | Cide | it won't line up with "the big circle" |
| 11:36.18 | Maldivia | Elkano: nope, waiting for someone to get some french data for me :) |
| 11:36.53 | Cide | http://imagelink.org/temp/185 <- example |
| 11:38.04 | krka|work | cide, just imagine this: |
| 11:38.09 | krka|work | take an unused texture |
| 11:38.22 | krka|work | place it over the piechart |
| 11:38.27 | krka|work | fill the texture with the circle image |
| 11:38.31 | krka|work | then just clip out the part you want |
| 11:39.33 | Cide | using what? |
| 11:39.49 | krka|work | SetTexCoord? |
| 11:40.56 | Cide | hmm, wait |
| 11:42.39 | Cide | let me try :P |
| 11:43.41 | krka|work | i think you just need to get the visualization correct |
| 11:45.46 | krka|work | hmm |
| 11:45.47 | krka|work | no wait |
| 11:45.52 | krka|work | i may be lying :P |
| 11:45.59 | Cide | actually, it does seem to work |
| 11:46.28 | Cide | using CirclePiece:SetTexCoord(0, width/128, 0, height/128) for top left corner |
| 11:48.40 | krka|work | yeah, it works |
| 11:48.47 | krka|work | as long as you do each quadrant seperately |
| 11:49.52 | Cide | well |
| 11:50.02 | Cide | not sure how to do it with the 8 argument settexcoord yet |
| 11:53.07 | [MoonWolf] | hah |
| 11:53.09 | [MoonWolf] | fixed it |
| 11:53.21 | [MoonWolf] | forgot to include compostlib |
| 11:53.34 | [MoonWolf] | and instead of throwing an error in pt pt passes a fucked up table |
| 11:53.57 | Maldivia | Elkano: you want the german translation now, I could give you the data file containing them, if you want? |
| 11:54.41 | Elkano | it has time since I don't have that much need for enchantings atm :) |
| 11:54.48 | Elkano | still mid 40 :/ |
| 11:55.05 | Maldivia | hehe, ok |
| 11:55.25 | krka|work | you don't need the 8 argument one, cide |
| 11:55.39 | Cide | I can't rotate with the other one |
| 11:55.46 | Cide | so I'd need either a full circle or 4 textures |
| 11:55.47 | krka|work | you don't need rotations, just clipping |
| 11:55.57 | Cide | right now I'm just using 1/4 of a circle |
| 11:56.00 | krka|work | if you're going for solid stuff anyway |
| 11:56.18 | Cide | right, but then I have to settle for a full circle or 4 textures :) |
| 11:56.23 | krka|work | if you want a transparent piechart it will be more tricky |
| 11:56.38 | krka|work | one 1/4 circle texture should be enough |
| 11:56.54 | Cide | how come? |
| 11:59.52 | Cide | I can't see how I can use 1/4th of a circle for all quadrants |
| 12:00.21 | krka|work | you can mirror it using SetTexCoord |
| 12:00.24 | krka|work | i _think_ |
| 12:01.19 | Cide | maybe, I'll check when servers get back up |
| 12:01.25 | Maldivia | Cide, considered just using a model ? :) |
| 12:01.36 | Maldivia | for instance the cooldown-model... |
| 12:02.32 | Cide | haven't really done anything with models myself |
| 12:02.54 | Maldivia | although, I don't know how it will look, if you have multiple models on top of each other, to be able to have different data in the chart |
| 12:06.28 | Cide | yep krka|work: can mirror it |
| 12:06.30 | Cide | thanks |
| 12:06.33 | Cide | Maldivia: no clue :) |
| 12:08.26 | Maldivia | hmm, if you're using the 4-param version of SetTextCoord, is having a 90° piece fine enough ? |
| 12:08.49 | Cide | sure |
| 12:13.03 | krka|work | does it work? |
| 12:15.10 | Cide | working on getting smoother edges |
| 12:17.06 | krka|work | screenshot? :) |
| 12:18.45 | Cide | the circle is off by a bit for some reason |
| 12:22.06 | Cide | http://imagelink.org/temp/187 |
| 12:22.37 | Cide | if you look closely, the circle subset goes outside the outer angle |
| 12:24.28 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 12:25.45 | Cide | not sure why |
| 12:29.48 | krka|work | does the circle image have a fully transparent border? |
| 12:30.01 | krka|work | (it should) |
| 12:31.23 | Cide | yep |
| 12:31.33 | Cide | might be that it's not fully circle shaped |
| 12:32.03 | krka|work | hmm... |
| 12:32.09 | krka|work | nah, that shouldn't be it |
| 12:33.41 | Cide | well I mean |
| 12:33.41 | Cide | but nevermind, I redrew it and it's still the same |
| 12:33.57 | krka|work | tried different angles? |
| 12:34.02 | Cide | happens at most angles |
| 12:34.16 | Cide | could be that the triangle has its outer pixel transparent? |
| 12:34.24 | Cide | and thus shows up shorter than it actually is |
| 12:34.36 | krka|work | you aren't compensating for that? |
| 12:34.55 | krka|work | stretch it by (imageSize / circleSize) |
| 12:35.43 | Cide | I did |
| 12:35.47 | Josh_Borke | morning |
| 12:35.50 | Cide | morning |
| 12:36.54 | Josh_Borke | Cide: very nice work btw :-) |
| 12:37.54 | krka|work | i bet iriel can fix it in a second :P |
| 12:37.57 | Cide | you should thank iriel |
| 12:37.59 | Cide | I'm sure |
| 12:38.08 | krka|work | iriel is the geometry king |
| 12:39.37 | Cide | aye |
| 12:39.39 | Cide | Josh_Borke: thanks |
| 12:40.00 | Cide | err, yeah. like I said though, you should mostly thank iriel :) |
| 12:40.57 | Cide | I mostly fixed it I think... |
| 12:40.58 | Cide | yeah |
| 12:41.11 | Cide | I had -(H-1) instead of -(H+1) |
| 12:41.27 | Cide | tweaked it to -(H+4) and now it's better :) |
| 12:47.42 | krka|work | screenshot |
| 12:49.08 | Cairenn|sleep | s|loup: posted it: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=372130 |
| 12:49.53 | s|loup | thanks |
| 12:50.17 | Cide | krka|work: when I get this quadrant working :) |
| 12:50.56 | krka|work | cool |
| 12:51.02 | krka|work | what are you going to use this for btw? |
| 12:51.30 | Cide | class composition for raid groups (for CT_RaidTracker 2.0) |
| 12:51.33 | Kremonte | is there any way to get remainder besides a big loop? |
| 12:51.41 | krka|work | mathematical? |
| 12:52.08 | Kremonte | what ye mean? isn't it inherently math-related? :p |
| 12:52.18 | krka|work | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/manual.html#5.5 |
| 12:52.23 | krka|work | math.mod |
| 12:52.29 | Kremonte | NOOO NOT MOD |
| 12:52.44 | krka|work | O_o |
| 12:52.49 | krka|work | why? |
| 12:52.50 | Kremonte | it's been my bane |
| 12:52.52 | Kremonte | since i was born |
| 12:52.58 | Cide | :) |
| 12:53.14 | krka|work | well... ok then |
| 12:53.18 | Kremonte | lol |
| 12:53.19 | krka|work | here's another way: |
| 12:53.33 | Kremonte | nah math.mod is fine, i gotta learn how to use it someday |
| 12:53.34 | Kremonte | ;/ |
| 12:53.45 | krka|work | heh |
| 12:53.49 | krka|work | not really _that_ difficult |
| 12:54.03 | krka|work | math.mod(n, m) returns the remainder for n / m |
| 12:54.21 | Kremonte | yea but i've never used it outside of getting odd/even, and without knowing what exactly it does it's unfun ;p |
| 12:54.33 | Cide | useful for what I'm doing, too :) |
| 12:54.37 | Kremonte | i was doing while blargh do: if(foo-bar < 1) then blargh=1 else foo = foo-bar end end |
| 12:54.51 | Kremonte | er, <0 |
| 12:55.12 | Cide | math.mod(degree, 360) <- returns the angle from 0-359 regardless of "number of laps" |
| 12:55.13 | krka|work | O_o |
| 12:55.24 | Kremonte | huh? |
| 12:55.28 | krka|work | not really cide... i think |
| 12:55.31 | Kremonte | stop doing your evil faces you evil person |
| 12:55.34 | Cide | yes |
| 12:55.53 | krka|work | negative numbers stay negative |
| 12:56.01 | krka|work | often missed thingy about mod |
| 12:56.07 | krka|work | (annoying, imo) |
| 12:56.15 | Cide | math.mod(405, 360) <- returns 45 |
| 12:56.37 | krka|work | math.mod(-405, 360) = -45 |
| 12:56.45 | Kremonte | ._. |
| 12:56.48 | Cide | makes sense |
| 12:56.54 | Kremonte | stop being all mathy! |
| 12:57.14 | krka|work | function myMod(n, m) local rem = math.mod(n, m) if rem < 0 then rem = rem + m end return rem end |
| 12:57.23 | Cide | just do math.abs(math.mod(-405, 360)) if you want it positive :) |
| 12:57.29 | krka|work | noooo |
| 12:57.31 | Kremonte | math.abs? |
| 12:57.32 | krka|work | that's not the same thing :( |
| 12:57.33 | Kremonte | oh |
| 12:57.35 | Kremonte | har har har |
| 12:57.35 | Cide | absolute value |
| 12:57.38 | krka|work | don't listen to cide :P |
| 12:57.50 | Cide | :) |
| 12:57.50 | krka|work | myMod is what you want |
| 12:57.51 | s|loup | it should be 360-45 when negative |
| 12:58.27 | Cide | hmm, I'm having some issues with mirroring the circle subset |
| 12:58.50 | krka|work | function myMod(n, m) local rem = math.mod(n, m) return (rem < 0) and (rem + m) end |
| 12:58.53 | krka|work | so pretty |
| 12:59.10 | krka|work | oops |
| 12:59.13 | krka|work | function myMod(n, m) local rem = math.mod(n, m) return (rem < 0) and (rem + m) or rem end |
| 13:00.17 | Cide | ret3:SetTexCoord(0, (128+cos(a2)*128)/128, (128+sin(a2)*128)/128, 0); |
| 13:00.19 | Cide | is what I use right now |
| 13:00.25 | Cide | for bottom left quadrant |
| 13:00.31 | Kremonte | see |
| 13:00.35 | Kremonte | this is why i can never use circles |
| 13:00.54 | krka|work | hmm |
| 13:00.54 | Cide | :) |
| 13:00.57 | krka|work | isn't that the same as: |
| 13:01.03 | Cide | ret3:SetTexCoord(0, 1, 1, 0) mirrors it to that quadrant |
| 13:01.15 | krka|work | ret3:SetTexCoord(0, 1+cos(a2), 1+sin(a2), 0) |
| 13:01.35 | Cide | probably |
| 13:01.51 | Cide | I used the different variables in my code |
| 13:01.57 | Cide | and just typed out what they're defined as |
| 13:02.26 | Cide | still doesn't work though :) |
| 13:04.34 | Cide | maybe now |
| 13:05.07 | Cide | this "somewhat" lines up, but it's pretty ugly |
| 13:06.37 | Cide | :SetTexCoord(-B, 1-R, 1-R, -B) |
| 13:07.06 | Cide | where B = 1+sin(a2) and R = 1+cos(a2) |
| 13:12.55 | krka|work | hm |
| 13:13.03 | krka|work | you forgot to adjust for the empty borders? |
| 13:13.27 | krka|work | should be: -B * 128/127, 1 -R * 128/127, et.c. |
| 13:13.28 | krka|work | i think |
| 13:13.38 | krka|work | or whatever the image size is |
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| 13:16.31 | zenzelezz | did they change something about the chat windows in 1.10.2? I seem to jump back to the General tab whenever something is added to it >:/ |
| 13:18.00 | s|loup | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4929 <-- here is a fix |
| 13:18.29 | zenzelezz | ah, thanks :) |
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| 13:20.16 | Cide- | ok, back |
| 13:24.32 | Josh_Borke | wb |
| 13:25.52 | Cide | no clue how this works really |
| 13:25.59 | Cide | might be easier to just use a full circle |
| 13:28.37 | krka|work | for mirroring, simply swap left - right and top - down |
| 13:28.40 | krka|work | no need for full circle |
| 13:31.19 | Cide | I use ret3:SetTexCoord(0, 1+cos(a2), 1+sin(a2), 0); |
| 13:31.20 | Cide | for top left |
| 13:31.32 | Cide | err, nevermind |
| 13:31.55 | Cide | I use ret3:SetTexCoord(0, 1+cos(a2), 0, 1-sin(a1)); for top left |
| 13:32.21 | Cide | swapping top and bottom for bottom left, I would get |
| 13:32.30 | Cide | ret3:SetTexCoord(0, 1+cos(a2), 1-sin(a1), 1); |
| 13:32.47 | Cide | argh. |
| 13:32.57 | Cide | ret3:SetTexCoord(0, 1+cos(a2), 1-sin(a1), 1); |
| 13:33.37 | Cide | but that's not nearly close |
| 13:33.46 | Cide | nor is swapping 1-sin to 1+sin (since sin is negative) |
| 13:34.44 | Cide | maybe now |
| 13:37.12 | krka|work | get one quadrant correct first |
| 13:37.18 | krka|work | then work on flipping |
| 13:38.25 | Cide | top left is perfect |
| 13:38.54 | Cide | since the circle part is made for that quadrant |
| 13:39.23 | krka|work | for top right, just swap the left and right values, and move the texture offset |
| 13:39.34 | krka|work | may need to modify angle too.. hm |
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| 13:54.11 | Cide | doesn't seem as simple as simply swapping left and right |
| 13:56.59 | krka|work | well, that only takes care of the texture being swapped... you still have to cut out the correct part |
| 13:57.22 | Cide | well |
| 13:57.32 | Cide | do I have to cut out the correct part from the swapped texture, or the original texture? |
| 13:57.44 | krka|work | from the swapped... hmm |
| 13:57.50 | krka|work | never mind me |
| 13:57.55 | krka|work | i donä't know |
| 13:57.58 | Cide | :) |
| 13:58.02 | Cide | I have no clue either |
| 13:58.28 | Cide | right now, I'm anchoring it where it should start and in the topleft/bottomleft/bottomright/topright corner |
| 13:58.38 | Cide | I'm going to try to anchor it where it starts *and* where it ends |
| 13:58.42 | Cide | and see if that helps |
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| 14:36.47 | krka|work | Cide, do you know what kind of data CT mods send automatically in sync channels? |
| 14:36.58 | krka|work | it used to be health / mana before, right? |
| 14:37.03 | Cide | yes |
| 14:37.14 | Cide | not too much really |
| 14:37.32 | krka|work | that's what i guessed.... buff times? |
| 14:37.34 | Josh_Borke | version/item inventories/durability? |
| 14:37.43 | Cide | add/remove main tanks, refreshing buffs, different queries (on request) |
| 14:37.51 | Cide | a few spell cooldowns |
| 14:37.56 | Josh_Borke | rezzes |
| 14:37.59 | Cide | status update requests |
| 14:38.06 | Cide | bunch of other stuff |
| 14:38.19 | Josh_Borke | but none of it sends 'often' |
| 14:38.26 | Josh_Borke | yes? |
| 14:38.41 | Cide | what? |
| 14:38.57 | Cide | nothing is sent "periodically" |
| 14:39.37 | Josh_Borke | yea, k |
| 14:43.36 | krka|work | a friend of mine suggested that healers in raids should send information about how and who and when they healed to other healers that stands too far away to see it, so that each healer could have one bar per healing-target and spell that was cast on it |
| 14:43.59 | krka|work | so you could check the current healing that was / will be applied to each player to know if you need to heal it |
| 14:44.09 | krka|work | does something like this already exist? |
| 14:44.10 | Cide | yeah, I worked on something like that for a bit |
| 14:44.16 | Cide | haven't finished it though |
| 14:44.24 | krka|work | how far did you get? :) |
| 14:44.33 | krka|work | i was thinking the biggest problem would be syncing times |
| 14:44.40 | krka|work | since everyones clock is different |
| 14:45.32 | Cide | I'd just send a chat message with the cast time on the heal |
| 14:45.52 | Cide | and then the receiving person would remove their latency from the casttime when it's displayed |
| 14:46.46 | Josh_Borke | krka: i started doing that also |
| 14:47.21 | Josh_Borke | which reminds me, i need to update the description... |
| 14:47.28 | Josh_Borke | i'm stuck ont he communication part :-) |
| 14:47.45 | krka|work | Cide, not sure that's accurate enough |
| 14:47.59 | Cide | it doesn't have to be 100% |
| 14:48.20 | Cide | could possibly send the player's latency too |
| 14:48.20 | krka|work | i was thinking posting the time offset to a chat message that both players received |
| 14:48.31 | Cide | that would be too troublesome |
| 14:50.01 | Eraphine|Lab | Cide is there a changelog for the most recent RABossmods? |
| 14:50.11 | Cide | not right now |
| 14:50.23 | Cide | the biggest change includes the c'thun boss mod, but I didn't implement that one |
| 14:50.26 | Eraphine|Lab | Know if any of the cthun timers were added? |
| 14:50.30 | Eraphine|Lab | ah |
| 14:50.37 | Eraphine|Lab | ok i'll dig around the code |
| 14:50.39 | Cide | I need to test it myself a bit more |
| 14:50.43 | Eraphine|Lab | I had written one for the guild |
| 14:50.48 | Cide | oh? |
| 14:50.54 | Cide | how did you detect the start of the encounter |
| 14:51.01 | Eraphine|Lab | the first person in |
| 14:51.03 | Eraphine|Lab | our hunter |
| 14:51.05 | Eraphine|Lab | his combat flag |
| 14:51.12 | Cide | I did that too |
| 14:51.26 | Cide | but then it fucked up because he feigned every 30 sec :P |
| 14:51.30 | Eraphine|Lab | did you reset the dark glare timers based on first occurence of eye beam? |
| 14:51.32 | Cide | (not really 30s) |
| 14:51.45 | Cide | I just did /racthunstart |
| 14:51.51 | Cide | run it when someone runs into view |
| 14:52.01 | Eraphine|Lab | ah right |
| 14:52.06 | Eraphine|Lab | my timers are pretty accurate now |
| 14:52.12 | Cide | mine are pretty exact too |
| 14:52.22 | Cide | using 45 sec between eye tentacle spawns |
| 14:52.27 | Cide | 47s after dark glare ends to the next one |
| 14:52.29 | Eraphine|Lab | oddly it is something like 86 seconds between dark glare cycles |
| 14:52.40 | Cide | 47 + 40 sec is what I got |
| 14:52.43 | Eraphine|Lab | wait.. is there a way to detect dark glare? |
| 14:52.47 | Cide | nope |
| 14:52.48 | Eraphine|Lab | I'm measuring start to start |
| 14:52.55 | Cide | I'm just doing |
| 14:53.03 | Cide | 50 sec from encounter start |
| 14:53.07 | Eraphine|Lab | ah 87 - our numbers match up |
| 14:53.13 | Cide | and then 40 sec duration, 47 sec wait, 40 sec duration, 47 sec wait, etc |
| 14:53.38 | Eraphine|Lab | I start timers for 5 seconds before DG starts and 5 second before DG ends, so people can spread out |
| 14:53.46 | Cide | same :P |
| 14:53.54 | Eraphine|Lab | then in stage 2, I change the timer for the eye tentacles for 30 seconds |
| 14:53.55 | Josh_Borke | krka|work: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4732 i include a list of other mods that i know of that do similar things |
| 14:54.03 | Cide | I haven't really implemented phase 2 yet |
| 14:54.12 | Eraphine|Lab | Also, I think the first giant eye tentacles start 10 seconds after stage 2 |
| 14:54.18 | Eraphine|Lab | giant claw ones |
| 14:54.35 | Eraphine|Lab | I'm not sure about the giant eye ones that do eye beam |
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| 14:58.33 | krka|work | thanks Josh_Borke |
| 14:58.51 | wereHamster | krka|work, about the syncing times, I have a HealSync addon that displays a castbar for each healer that heals the same target as you.. and I submit the network lag in the messages and then subtract the local and remote lag and a constant value to the starttime of the spell. It's quite accurate that way.. |
| 14:59.18 | krka|work | cool |
| 14:59.43 | krka|work | but only for the a specific target? |
| 15:00.00 | krka|work | i was thinking you could add this information to all unit frames :) |
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| 15:00.38 | wereHamster | sure, everyone receives the info from all healers, but I display only those who heal your current target |
| 15:00.44 | krka|work | why don't you two work together for the ultimate addon :D |
| 15:00.48 | Kaso | Cide there's someone on the EU forums was asking about the C'Thun Timers, having never seen C'thun im not sure about how well they work, i see BossMods was updated yesterday, how complete are the C'Thun warnings? |
| 15:01.11 | Eraphine|Lab | Cide I see the cthun strings, but there is no event handler for the cthun encounter |
| 15:01.21 | Eraphine|Lab | at least, not in the aq.lua |
| 15:01.33 | Cide | that's because like I said, I didn't release it :) |
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| 15:01.57 | Eraphine|Lab | ah ok |
| 15:02.06 | Eraphine|Lab | so, the answer to kaso's question would be, it's not complete |
| 15:02.14 | wereHamster | krka|work, mainly because I have my own raid-communication addon that uses a separate channel, not the one from CTRA |
| 15:02.47 | krka|work | should be possible to set it up to use any channel? |
| 15:02.57 | krka|work | (i don't know anything about how difficult channel handling is) |
| 15:06.37 | wereHamster | ... when I last used CTRA I found it quite annoying that the leader had to broadcast the channel name whenever someone new joined the raid, and it wouldn't work always (I guess this has changed since). That's why I created my addon that provides a nice interface for 3rd party addons that wish to use a hidden communication channel. |
| 15:11.00 | Cairenn | later all, doubt I'll be back before late this evening |
| 15:13.43 | wereHamster | Josh_Borke, still here? |
| 15:21.15 | Tain | For those non-US people who view your date as dd/mm/yy .. oh well actually it probably already passed 1am I bet. 01:02:03 04.05.06 |
| 15:21.29 | Josh_Borke | yes, i'm here |
| 15:22.18 | haste | Tain: Wed May 3 17:22:11 CEST 2006 |
| 15:22.20 | haste | so, not yet |
| 15:22.27 | Tain | Well good! |
| 15:22.33 | wereHamster | Josh_Borke, I assume you know that I'm aka Shag ;) |
| 15:23.03 | Josh_Borke | yea, i couldn't remember who shag equaled :-( |
| 15:23.05 | krka|work | dd/mm/yy... that's just stupid :P |
| 15:23.08 | Josh_Borke | i asked before and no one knew either :-P |
| 15:23.10 | krka|work | and not many stupid people in here |
| 15:23.27 | krka|work | whoa... you used aka correctly |
| 15:23.42 | krka|work | i have gotten used to people saying "what's your aka?" and "my aka is ..." |
| 15:23.59 | Tain | Only stupid people would do that! |
| 15:25.14 | wereHamster | "I'm aka ..." or "my alternative/second nickname is ..." |
| 15:25.17 | Josh_Borke | you see my message to you? :-) just trying to help :-) |
| 15:25.25 | wereHamster | sure.. |
| 15:25.35 | Josh_Borke | and you don't mind me linking to you, do you? |
| 15:26.01 | Kirkburn | I'm not aka anything :) |
| 15:26.39 | wereHamster | me neither ;) |
| 15:26.51 | Kirkburn | yeah ...... Josh_Borke, why do you have two nicks? |
| 15:27.00 | Kirkburn | And which is which ... |
| 15:27.31 | Josh_Borke | er, JoshBorke is because I'm lazy and leave mirc on at home |
| 15:27.35 | Josh_Borke | Josh_Borke is me working :-) |
| 15:27.44 | Kirkburn | I seeee |
| 15:28.01 | wereHamster | but I have to admit I didn't test the addon in real combat or raid.. just wanted to implement the channel messages and see if it works.. |
| 15:28.24 | Josh_Borke | yea, i've implemented channel messages in mine, but i haven't tested them |
| 15:28.29 | Josh_Borke | and they aren't going to be nearly as accurate as yours |
| 15:28.36 | Josh_Borke | since i'm not using lag times or anything |
| 15:29.19 | Josh_Borke | and i think mine is generally just COMPLETELY broken since it never works right :-( |
| 15:30.54 | wereHamster | I disabled the combatlog scanning in my local copy.. I don't feel I've got it right.. |
| 15:32.15 | Josh_Borke | i'm pretty sure i've got the scanning right, it's the algorithm i use to display the heals that i think i've borked |
| 15:32.58 | krka|work | not sure lag times is always a good idea |
| 15:33.07 | krka|work | if your lag varies a lot, it's bound to be inaccurate |
| 15:33.14 | krka|work | then again, most of the time your lag is pretty stable |
| 15:33.54 | wereHamster | spellStart = GetTime() - ( remoteLag + localLag ) / 1000 * 1.3 <= that's how I compute the spell start time |
| 15:34.16 | Josh_Borke | krka|work: i just have mine average the cast times |
| 15:34.44 | krka|work | * 1.3? |
| 15:34.47 | krka|work | magic number? |
| 15:34.58 | wereHamster | .. server-side lag |
| 15:35.01 | krka|work | err a bit on the safe side? |
| 15:35.13 | wereHamster | it works pretty good most of the time |
| 15:35.50 | Josh_Borke | one thing a guild mate of mine brought up: when using mods like these, there's the possibility that all the healers will cancel their heal at the same tiem |
| 15:36.08 | wereHamster | sure, it isn't 100% accurate, but I'd say <0.5sec difference in 80% of the cases |
| 15:37.00 | wereHamster | Josh_Borke, you see the name who is healing.. just make a priority list who has to abort first |
| 15:37.08 | Josh_Borke | indeed |
| 15:37.18 | Josh_Borke | i guess i should work on it again... |
| 15:37.22 | Maldivia | ~wtf |
| 15:37.24 | krka|work | yeah, priority based on spell type and when it was cast |
| 15:37.48 | wereHamster | Josh, do you sort the castbars in any way? |
| 15:37.58 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: do you have any SS of multiple heals being cast? |
| 15:38.00 | Josh_Borke | and no |
| 15:38.10 | wereHamster | SS? |
| 15:38.13 | Josh_Borke | screenshot |
| 15:38.37 | wereHamster | no, as said.. it has never been tested under 'real' combat conditions |
| 15:38.41 | krka|work | sort by time FTW |
| 15:39.08 | Josh_Borke | i guess i could sort it, but i don't know how to do table sorting, and i'm not sure when i should sort the table |
| 15:40.07 | krka|work | with my idea, you never need to sort ti |
| 15:40.17 | Josh_Borke | what do you mean? |
| 15:40.19 | krka|work | when you see new spell, just add it last to the list |
| 15:40.25 | krka|work | that will automatically sort by time |
| 15:40.27 | Josh_Borke | that's what i'm currently doing |
| 15:40.36 | Josh_Borke | but that only sorts by spellcast start, not spellcast end |
| 15:40.41 | wereHamster | krka|work, what about delays? |
| 15:40.52 | krka|work | not really that important, is it? |
| 15:41.14 | krka|work | sorting tables is actually pretty easy |
| 15:41.21 | krka|work | just do table.sort(yourTable) |
| 15:42.29 | krka|work | maybe you should sort by: time when the healing started |
| 15:42.37 | krka|work | (which can be negative, if the spell hasn't started yet) |
| 15:42.59 | wereHamster | negative?how do you know the spell will be cast? |
| 15:43.02 | Josh_Borke | lol, yea |
| 15:43.08 | krka|work | when someone begins casting |
| 15:43.17 | krka|work | some heals are casting, not channeling, right? |
| 15:43.39 | Josh_Borke | but why would you track instant heals? |
| 15:43.52 | krka|work | why not? |
| 15:44.07 | krka|work | if you see that there are 3 incoming instant heals in 3.5 seconds, you may want to skip your healing? |
| 15:44.33 | Josh_Borke | how would you know they are incoming though? do you just assume they are going to heal in 3.5 seconds? |
| 15:44.53 | wereHamster | what instant heal has 3.5 seconds casttime? |
| 15:45.12 | Josh_Borke | i'm confused :-( |
| 15:45.29 | wereHamster | me too :) |
| 15:45.30 | Josh_Borke | instant heal to me sounds like renew, or the druid instant regrowth? |
| 15:45.43 | Josh_Borke | or a druid using nature's swiftness then healing |
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| 15:50.57 | Josh_Borke | morning iriel |
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| 15:51.01 | Iriel | Morning |
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| 15:53.52 | krka|work | sorry, i'm not a healer, so probably have no clue |
| 15:54.11 | krka|work | i think i saw my brothers druid cast a heal with a cast time though |
| 15:54.20 | krka|work | morning iriel |
| 15:54.23 | Josh_Borke | krka|work: yea, those are the ones we are tracking |
| 15:54.48 | krka|work | then you know they're incoming if the druid says "I will cast X in N seconds" |
| 15:55.10 | Josh_Borke | for any player not in your party, you receive a CHAT_MSG_SPELL_FRIENDLYPLAYER_BUFF with "%s begins to cast %s" when they start casting |
| 15:55.40 | Josh_Borke | when the spell lands, you receive CHAT_MSG_SPELL_FRIENDLYPLAYER_BUFF "%s's %s heals %s for %d" when they aren't in your party |
| 15:55.51 | wereHamster | .. or you know through a message in the hidden chat-channel |
| 15:55.57 | Josh_Borke | indeed wereHamster :-) |
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| 15:56.15 | Josh_Borke | wow |
| 15:56.19 | Josh_Borke | that's a lot of MentalPower____ |
| 15:56.46 | Josh_Borke | unfortunately, party heals don't notify when they begin spellcast *cry* |
| 15:57.48 | wereHamster | I, for example, send - "target", "spell-name", "spell-duration", "lag" - to the chat-channel (and caster-name is in arg1) |
| 15:58.45 | Josh_Borke | for mine i'm sending an index to an array, so it something like "<target> <spell index> <status index> <cast time>" |
| 15:59.25 | Josh_Borke | which just means i have to lock my spell table down :-) |
| 15:59.44 | wereHamster | what's status ? |
| 16:00.06 | Josh_Borke | i use that for interruptions, cancelling, and landing |
| 16:00.18 | Josh_Borke | though i haven't really worked out the communications completely :-) |
| 16:01.17 | Josh_Borke | i currently don't have a function to update any heals that are currently being cast though. since my array is very easy to index into, i'm probably just going to change it in place. |
| 16:01.29 | Josh_Borke | rather than calling a function to do the updat |
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| 16:13.51 | Kirkburn | Lol : http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31436 |
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| 16:16.57 | Shouryuu | rawr boo moo woof miao and so forth |
| 16:17.01 | Kirkburn | Hullo |
| 16:17.51 | Kirkburn | ono i esceared of teh howl and rawr |
| 16:18.00 | Josh_Borke | morning Shouryuu |
| 16:18.25 | Wobin_ | but the boo moo woof and miao is alright? |
| 16:18.46 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 16:19.06 | [MoonWolf] | "Omnis mundi creatura |
| 16:19.06 | [MoonWolf] | quasi liber et pictura |
| 16:19.06 | [MoonWolf] | nobis est in speculum; |
| 16:19.06 | [MoonWolf] | nostrae vitae, nostrae mortis, |
| 16:19.06 | [MoonWolf] | nostri status, nostrae sortis |
| 16:19.07 | [MoonWolf] | fidele signaculum." |
| 16:19.17 | Cide | holy spam! |
| 16:19.17 | [MoonWolf] | this song owns a lot. |
| 16:19.32 | Cide | I am personally a fan of Dream Theater - 6.00. |
| 16:19.53 | haste | I am personally a fan of To/Die/For - Little Deaths |
| 16:20.03 | haste | hello repeat :D |
| 16:20.10 | Wobin_ | Personally I like the Dies Irae |
| 16:20.40 | netcurse | latin ? :p |
| 16:21.01 | Wobin_ | All the world's creatures, |
| 16:21.01 | Wobin_ | as a book and a picture, |
| 16:21.01 | Wobin_ | are to us as a mirror; |
| 16:21.01 | Wobin_ | our life, our death, |
| 16:21.02 | Wobin_ | our present condition, our passing |
| 16:21.04 | Wobin_ | are faithfully signified. |
| 16:21.33 | netcurse | did 4 years of latin at school i remember nothing such waste of time :> |
| 16:21.56 | [MoonWolf] | latin is cool o long as you dont actually learn it. |
| 16:22.02 | Wobin_ | hehe yeah |
| 16:22.03 | [MoonWolf] | so* |
| 16:22.25 | netcurse | latin can help you speak better french |
| 16:23.02 | Wobin_ | Dies irĂŚ, dies illa, dies tribulationis et angustiĂŚ, dies calamitatis et miseriĂŚ, dies tenebrarum et caliginis, dies nebulĂŚ et turbinis, dies tubĂŚ et clangoris super civitates munitas et super angulos excelsos. |
| 16:23.06 | Kirkburn | Latin can help you to a better life |
| 16:23.10 | [MoonWolf] | latin can help you speak a lot of languages , or at least, understand them better. |
| 16:23.36 | [MoonWolf] | Wobin_, that looks like some kind of prayer.... |
| 16:23.41 | Kirkburn | Latin can defeat communism with only a rusty spoon |
| 16:23.48 | Cide | latin is like a long, big prayer |
| 16:23.50 | Kirkburn | Quod erat demonstradum |
| 16:23.52 | Wobin_ | from the Vulgate translation of Zephaniah I:15-16 |
| 16:23.57 | Kirkburn | *demonstrandum |
| 16:24.18 | Wobin_ | That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, a day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers |
| 16:24.43 | [MoonWolf] | bible text, prayer , same thing really. |
| 16:25.05 | Kirkburn | Vulgate? |
| 16:26.48 | Wobin_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgate |
| 16:28.16 | Wobin_ | Dies Irae can be set to some magnificent music |
| 16:28.25 | Wobin_ | CAuse it's all dramatic and stuff =P |
| 16:28.51 | [MoonWolf] | what is the dies Irae ? |
| 16:32.43 | [MoonWolf] | aha |
| 16:32.46 | [MoonWolf] | faithfull google |
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| 16:48.28 | Shouryuu | anyone here know of Makoto Shinkai? |
| 16:48.54 | Shouryuu | Why am I the only anime geek around... |
| 16:49.19 | Cide | seemingly so! |
| 16:49.43 | Shouryuu | =( |
| 16:53.02 | Wobin_ | ~comfort Shouryuu |
| 16:53.04 | purl | There, there, Shouryuu. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:55.56 | Kirkburn | There's been an explosion of Pandarism on the forums :P |
| 16:56.17 | Kirkburn | Someone called Blinkie has been posting some very good Pandarian fan fiction |
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| 17:00.55 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 17:01.49 | Josh_Borke | morning ComicSansMS ! |
| 17:01.58 | Shouryuu | morning |
| 17:02.03 | Shouryuu | Oh noez! |
| 17:03.32 | Shouryuu | Don't prinst sheets! |
| 17:06.56 | Shouryuu | rawr out |
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| 17:10.36 | Cide | grr |
| 17:12.10 | Kirkburn | This'll make you happier ... http://www.pandafix.com/ |
| 17:13.22 | Cide | I need to venture into the depths of texture mirroring again |
| 17:14.01 | krka|work | i'd help, but the last time i tried that geometry stuff i failed miserably |
| 17:14.07 | Kirkburn | No, watch the Pandas play! |
| 17:15.46 | Kirkburn | Customer Service Forum! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.aspx?ForumName=wow-customer-service |
| 17:17.40 | Cide | krka|work: worked fine except for mirroring :) |
| 17:21.59 | Tain | Ah man Half-Life 2 is still a ton of fun, and even more amazing now that I can crank up all the visuals and play widescreen. |
| 17:22.18 | Cide | it is great |
| 17:22.51 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 17:23.08 | ComicSansMS | cide: talking about mirroring wow-textures using texture coordinates? |
| 17:23.16 | Cide | to some extent |
| 17:23.30 | Cide | I have a circle subset (1/4th of a circle, the top left part) |
| 17:24.32 | Cide | I need to draw the part which belongs to a pie created by two angles |
| 17:24.50 | Cide | which works fine for the top left quadrant, since that's what the circle looks like by default |
| 17:25.04 | Cide | but it gets ugly when I need to do it with the other quadrants (by mirroring the circle texture) |
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| 17:26.42 | Stylpe | tee hee, I have a ping of -19 ms from my box to my router ^_^ |
| 17:26.44 | ComicSansMS | and you want it to be circular in the end? |
| 17:28.31 | Cide | the whole pie should be |
| 17:28.39 | Cide | and yes |
| 17:28.46 | Cide | the pie "ends" should be circular |
| 17:29.03 | Cide | but not a halfcircle on each end, it should all match up with the "big" circle |
| 17:30.12 | ComicSansMS | you have some code for me? |
| 17:32.31 | Cide | http://wow.pastebin.com/696490 |
| 17:34.21 | ComicSansMS | thx, i'll look into it.. |
| 17:36.32 | Cide | thanks :) |
| 17:39.29 | B | Is there any way to find out where all the quests for a particular dungeon are available from? |
| 17:41.00 | Gryphen | http://www.thottbot.com/?f=q |
| 17:41.20 | B | zNOHMG |
| 17:41.23 | B | Secret thottbot feature |
| 17:42.24 | [MoonWolf] | weeuh, what part about that would be secret ? |
| 17:42.53 | Gryphen | if you tap cardboard over the menu and have to guess the addy part |
| 17:42.57 | Gryphen | tape* |
| 17:44.35 | Iriel | Cide: I'd be tempted to rotate instead of mirror |
| 17:45.00 | Iriel | Cide : Which you can do just by exchanging the 4 input corners to SetTexCoord |
| 17:46.00 | Cide | as in, "rotate" them to the right? |
| 17:46.16 | Cide | or exchange left/right, for example |
| 17:47.05 | ComicSansMS | exchange left/right would flip it horizontally, wouldn't it? |
| 17:47.17 | Cide | that's what I thought :) |
| 17:52.39 | Iriel | UL->UR UR->LR LR->LL LL->UL |
| 17:52.43 | Iriel | rotate 8-) |
| 17:53.08 | wereHamster | tactical mastery a base skill for all warriors in 1.11 ? |
| 17:53.21 | zenzelezz | it is? |
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| 17:53.40 | Iriel | Cide: Did you look at my ring code at all? |
| 17:53.49 | Cide | I never had time :) |
| 17:53.53 | Iriel | Cide: that does the quadrant thing too |
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| 17:55.39 | Cide | I assume you mean with the 8 argument version for that? |
| 17:57.42 | Iriel | yes, i do |
| 17:57.56 | Iriel | I wrote some mapping functions |
| 17:58.24 | ComicSansMS | interesting, i never used the 8 arg version, but this seems useful :) |
| 17:58.55 | Iriel | function(a1,a2,b1,b2,c1,c1,d1,d2) return b1,b2,c1,c2,d1,d2,a1,a2; end |
| 17:59.10 | Iriel | (though with the correct mapping, that was just a structural example) |
| 17:59.22 | Iriel | then I'd pass that into my renderer as say, M, and do |
| 17:59.31 | Iriel | SetTexCoord(M(a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i)) |
| 17:59.38 | Iriel | or whatever 8-) |
| 17:59.49 | Iriel | (only 8 args, so no I, and of course, better named in reality) |
| 18:00.50 | Cide | well, then I need to convert that piece of code to the 8 arg version :) |
| 18:02.05 | Cide | but I'm guessing that shouldn't be too hard |
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| 18:04.13 | Kirkburn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8141169&p=1&tmp=1#post8141169 |
| 18:04.19 | Kirkburn | ^ Battle Plan v3! |
| 18:04.42 | Kirkburn | (preceded 15 mins earlier by http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=8140945&P=1 .... amazing timing) |
| 18:05.16 | Kirkburn | "The new zones added to the game in The Burning Crusade will increase Azeroths current land mass by 25 percent" |
| 18:05.39 | Kirkburn | "we are preparing to bring up a 6th site before the end of May" |
| 18:10.20 | Kirkburn | All small patches will be tested on the test realms in future |
| 18:10.48 | Kirkburn | "Were also planning on unveiling new forums next month that will allow us to make additional communication improvements" |
| 18:11.26 | Kremonte | wouldn't it be "ensure"? |
| 18:11.27 | Kremonte | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.31 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 18:11.34 | Kremonte | kek |
| 18:11.55 | Kirkburn | Also, all apostrophes died somewhere along the way from him typing it to posting it |
| 18:12.18 | Kremonte | lol |
| 18:12.38 | Kremonte | can anybody ensure this is correct? compiling a list of transports: |
| 18:12.38 | Kremonte | kremonte lol: i've got org>gg org>uc |
| 18:12.39 | Kremonte | kremonte lol: menethil>darkshore mthl>theramore ds>ruttheran |
| 18:12.41 | Kremonte | ratchet>bb |
| 18:14.37 | Kirkburn | Menethil-Auberdine would be better |
| 18:14.50 | krka | can we put scrollframes inside scrollframes? |
| 18:14.52 | Kremonte | auberdine? i'm having a brain fart atm |
| 18:15.02 | Kirkburn | (Auberdine = DS port) |
| 18:15.14 | Kremonte | OH THATS WHAT ITS CALLED LOL |
| 18:15.15 | Kremonte | k |
| 18:15.18 | Kremonte | but yea, that's all of em? |
| 18:15.42 | Iriel | sw->if |
| 18:15.52 | krka | whoa... someone put a fork in the knife drawer... and it took me 30 seconds of eating before i realized i had no knife |
| 18:15.52 | Kirkburn | Ah yeah |
| 18:15.52 | Kremonte | oh yea deeprun |
| 18:15.59 | Kremonte | hm |
| 18:16.01 | Kirkburn | That's all for alliance I'm pretty sure |
| 18:16.16 | Iriel | arguably org->gg is for horder |
| 18:16.18 | Kremonte | are the arrival times withi n1min of eachother? |
| 18:16.21 | Kirkburn | Horde me not know |
| 18:16.27 | Kremonte | hey i ride org<>gg on my gnome :3 |
| 18:16.34 | Iriel | I've seen UD in the deeprun tram |
| 18:16.35 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 18:16.42 | Kremonte | then run streaking through org naked screaming GOIBEN UDEN LO |
| 18:17.04 | Wobin_ | oh wait |
| 18:17.08 | krka | great... another update :/( |
| 18:17.13 | Kremonte | 1.10.2? |
| 18:17.15 | Wobin_ | there's a boat from Feathermoon stronghold to the shore |
| 18:17.20 | Kremonte | oh yeah! |
| 18:17.45 | krka | time to copy my brothers copy |
| 18:18.47 | Kirkburn | You know what's odd, is that the EU version of the Battleplan is identical, except 'North America' = 'Europe2 throughout |
| 18:18.57 | Kirkburn | *'Europe' |
| 18:19.16 | Kirkburn | We also have 5 sites currently, with a 6th coming in May, etc ... |
| 18:20.22 | snurre | maybe the plan is identical then? :p |
| 18:20.43 | Kirkburn | US "8:00 PM" equals "20:00" in EU ... makes sense, but it shows that it actually has been proof read :) |
| 18:21.11 | Kirkburn | Well yes snurre, I'm pleased that the EU isn't second to the US in these things |
| 18:21.27 | krka | Kremonte, why do you want a transportation list? |
| 18:21.38 | Kremonte | krka- making a boat/zep timer |
| 18:21.53 | Kirkburn | Kremonte, all this stuff is on the website, and places like worldofwar :) |
| 18:21.54 | krka | ah |
| 18:22.07 | krka | it's reliably periodic? |
| 18:22.13 | Cide | hey Iriel: it's easy enough to get a subset like this one: http://imagelink.org/temp/188 (red border), I should just be able to translate it until nothing else is left |
| 18:22.13 | krka | you just need to know the offset and interval? |
| 18:22.18 | Kremonte | yes, i haven't checked per-server though |
| 18:22.30 | Kirkburn | Unaffected by load times? |
| 18:22.31 | krka | that'd be pretty cool actually |
| 18:22.41 | krka | when in Durotar / Orgrimmar, you see the zep timer |
| 18:23.14 | Cide | Iriel: but is there an easy way to accomplish this? http://imagelink.org/temp/189 |
| 18:23.29 | krka | Kremonte, make a way for users to gather data themselves |
| 18:23.40 | krka | let them hit a button when the transportation departs |
| 18:23.48 | Kremonte | it has to be exact though |
| 18:23.59 | krka | with enough data you can figure it out :) |
| 18:24.02 | Kremonte | i want to start simple |
| 18:24.29 | krka | i see |
| 18:24.43 | krka | isn't this dependent on the server bootup time though? |
| 18:25.16 | Kremonte | <Kremonte> yes, i haven't checked per-server though |
| 18:25.21 | Kremonte | ignore the yes |
| 18:25.21 | Kremonte | =p |
| 18:25.21 | krka | fine :P |
| 18:25.56 | krka | hmm... you'd only need one collected offset i guess |
| 18:26.08 | Kirkburn | Oooh, Iriel, you got a second annoucement :) |
| 18:26.09 | krka | also, the relative offsets between _different_ transportation is probably constant |
| 18:26.24 | krka | so you only need to calibrate the offset for one of the transportations |
| 18:26.30 | Wobin_ | Is there a timer addon for all the flights yet? |
| 18:26.38 | Kremonte | Wobin_: that's what i'm making |
| 18:26.39 | Kirkburn | Iriel, your hand must be getting tired from all the waving |
| 18:26.40 | Kremonte | <.<" |
| 18:26.43 | krka | FlightPath / FlightMap Wobin_ ? |
| 18:26.52 | Kirkburn | Enhanced Flight Map |
| 18:26.53 | Wobin_ | I thought it broke with 1.10 |
| 18:26.59 | krka | oh |
| 18:27.00 | Kremonte | oh flight flights? |
| 18:27.05 | Wobin_ | yeah flight flights |
| 18:27.13 | krka | that's why i never seen anything :P |
| 18:27.16 | Wobin_ | with the final destination thingie |
| 18:27.53 | Wobin_ | I mean, I know that from SW->WP is enough to go make a cuppa =P |
| 18:27.59 | Wobin_ | er EP |
| 18:28.03 | Kirkburn | EnhancedFlightMap-1.4.4 is up to date |
| 18:28.10 | Wobin_ | Cool I'll have a look |
| 18:28.15 | Kirkburn | As is FlightMap1.10-1 (I think that's the correct version) |
| 18:29.07 | Wobin_ | What's the difference? |
| 18:29.30 | Kirkburn | You'll have to look at both ... they're subtly different |
| 18:29.46 | Kirkburn | I use EFM personally |
| 18:29.52 | krka | just got the idea for an addon... |
| 18:29.56 | krka | pretty simple, like always |
| 18:31.16 | Kremonte | what addon? |
| 18:31.35 | Kirkburn | Basically the two flight addons are pretty much identical |
| 18:31.54 | krka | just something that hooks all event handlers in wow to measure the time the UI uses |
| 18:32.18 | Kremonte | all event HANDLERS? how do you get those? ._. |
| 18:32.30 | krka | iterate through all frames |
| 18:32.53 | Kremonte | eh? what function? :x |
| 18:32.58 | krka | EnumerateFrames |
| 18:33.16 | Kremonte | i mean |
| 18:33.20 | Kremonte | to get their event handlers |
| 18:33.33 | Iriel | :GetScript("OnEvent") |
| 18:33.40 | Kremonte | ohh |
| 18:33.47 | krka | and now Iriel will tell my why my idea is bad :P |
| 18:34.37 | Iriel | it's not "bad", it's just what it is |
| 18:35.03 | Iriel | Obviously you can't tell who is taking the time, just where it's taken |
| 18:35.07 | krka | yeah |
| 18:35.11 | krka | i just want to know the total time |
| 18:35.21 | krka | if it's 1% of the total running time, or 10% or whatever |
| 18:35.41 | krka | oh... and one event can be called _while_ another event is running, correct? |
| 18:35.51 | krka | so i need to remember the current depth |
| 18:35.58 | Iriel | yes, youd need to be re-entrant |
| 18:36.02 | Iriel | and compensate for nested handlers |
| 18:36.09 | Iriel | and bear in mind other people use the timers |
| 18:36.29 | krka | hm... was thinking GetTime but that may not be good enough |
| 18:38.44 | Iriel | probably not |
| 18:38.56 | Iriel | now, you CAN hook debugprofilestart and debugprofilestop |
| 18:39.01 | Iriel | and make them nest properly |
| 18:39.12 | krka | i can? |
| 18:39.18 | krka | hm |
| 18:39.33 | krka | someone should request nested debugprofile* |
| 18:40.20 | krka | urgh... now i need a complete list of handlers too |
| 18:41.06 | Kirkburn | Cide: CT is still on filenuts |
| 18:42.39 | Cide | yep :( |
| 18:42.42 | Kirkburn | (they talk about being up to date, whilst the version of Titan up there is from January ...) |
| 18:42.58 | Cide | ctra is 3 versions behind |
| 18:43.02 | Kirkburn | Take solace in the fact, no-one is downloading it from there |
| 18:43.05 | Iriel | debugprofile* is deliberately simple |
| 18:43.15 | Iriel | and nesting is tricky |
| 18:43.29 | Iriel | Ideally we'd just have getdebugprofiletime() and it'd never be reset |
| 18:45.01 | krka | hmm... |
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| 18:45.10 | krka | do we know anything about the order of frames from EnumerateFrames? |
| 18:47.20 | Kirov | krka - not really, no |
| 18:47.45 | krka | so i can't assume that it's by creation time? |
| 18:48.09 | Kirov | well, test it and see |
| 18:48.42 | Kirov | My guess is that it's by creation time, but if it's just a hash table than there's no guarantee it's an any order at all. |
| 18:49.34 | Industrial | Ok, funny question: How do I make a new actionbutton? |
| 18:49.44 | Wobin_ | Using? |
| 18:49.52 | Industrial | lua |
| 18:50.06 | Wobin_ | build it up from the xml files =P |
| 18:50.26 | Industrial | I want only as many buttons as im going to use |
| 18:50.29 | Industrial | and only when i use them |
| 18:50.37 | Industrial | wles i'd have 60-80 buttons |
| 18:50.39 | Industrial | else* |
| 18:50.43 | krka | damn, new toc number again |
| 18:50.50 | krka | no wait... |
| 18:50.54 | Wobin_ | You'll still have to write the recipe for the actual button itself |
| 18:50.55 | krka | maybe it always resets my settings |
| 18:50.57 | krka | never midn me |
| 18:51.09 | Industrial | thats kinda uncool then Wobin_ |
| 18:51.11 | Kirov | krka - yeah, iriel's been complaining about that for a while |
| 18:51.25 | Wobin_ | *shrug* that's the problem with being unable to inherit using CreateFrame |
| 18:51.27 | Industrial | i was hoping for CreateFrame('ActionButton') but couldnt find it in the wiki :P |
| 18:52.01 | krka | crap, i get errors when i GetScript a frame for a handler that doesn't exist |
| 18:52.05 | Kirov | Industrial - I think we all were hoping for something like that. |
| 18:52.17 | Kirkburn | The new Customer Service Forum is looking good at the moment, similar to the tech support forum |
| 18:52.25 | Industrial | ask the blues please |
| 18:52.26 | Industrial | :D |
| 18:52.32 | Kirov | Won't happen. |
| 18:52.35 | Industrial | why |
| 18:52.45 | Kirov | ActionButton isn't a frame type |
| 18:52.46 | Industrial | hello hyperChipmunk |
| 18:53.02 | Wobin_ | I'd like to be able to inherit existing frames though |
| 18:53.05 | Industrial | meh it would even benefit blizzard |
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| 18:54.08 | Industrial | (for the etra bars for eample) |
| 18:54.12 | Industrial | extra* |
| 18:54.15 | krka | crap... now i can't reload |
| 18:54.22 | krka | this was perhaps a bad idea :) |
| 18:55.24 | Kirov | Industrial - not really. |
| 18:56.07 | Industrial | *shrug* |
| 18:56.51 | Iriel | Industrial : I have a toolkit for tht in development |
| 18:57.15 | Iriel | krka: We have HasScript for a reason 8-) |
| 18:57.23 | krka | hmm... good point |
| 18:57.27 | krka | i just wrapped it in a pcall |
| 18:58.06 | krka | HasScript is true if it _can_ have, right? |
| 18:59.37 | Industrial | Iriel: im busy with my own bar mod, but its not doing alot without buttons :P |
| 18:59.57 | Cide | krka: yes |
| 19:00.03 | Iriel | Industrial : Grab IrielVirtualFrames from http://www.vigilance-commmittee.org/wow/downloads/ |
| 19:00.12 | Iriel | s/commm/comm/ |
| 19:00.14 | Cide | GetScript("...") ~= nil for if there _is_ one |
| 19:00.14 | Kirov | Iriel - does your action button mod use virtual action buttons? |
| 19:00.36 | Iriel | Kirov : My virtual frame mod uses action buttons as its example |
| 19:00.45 | Kirov | ah |
| 19:00.48 | Iriel | Well, not so much a 'mod' as a 'library/proof of concept' |
| 19:01.08 | Iriel | It's still a bit restricted due to the missing API functions we dont get until 1.11 |
| 19:01.13 | Iriel | but it does just fine on action buttons |
| 19:01.17 | Kirov | I was grabbing random stuff at one point and ended up with action buttons on my screen. heh |
| 19:02.12 | krka | for my system, the ui uses 5% |
| 19:02.34 | krka | of course, that's not counting the overhead of my usage-mod |
| 19:02.47 | krka | and i might be missing something |
| 19:02.54 | Iriel | Ah, that would be the one 8-) |
| 19:02.57 | Iriel | 4 of them, in the middle? |
| 19:03.02 | krka | and i'm assuming no one else is using debugprofile* |
| 19:03.27 | Iriel | krka: One way to detect if they are is to NOT call debugprofilestart |
| 19:03.31 | Wobin_ | Iriel: We need to get you up on a SVN =) |
| 19:03.32 | Iriel | and then see if the time goes DOWN |
| 19:03.40 | Iriel | Wobin_ : I have a SVN, it's just not public |
| 19:03.45 | Wobin_ | Aw =( |
| 19:03.49 | krka | hmm... good point |
| 19:03.52 | krka | or i could hook it |
| 19:04.07 | Cide | finally. all circle subsets implemented |
| 19:04.11 | Iriel | If you hook it you'd want to add debugprofilepush() and debugprofilepop() |
| 19:04.54 | krka | hmm... maybe we should _only_ use debugprofilestop |
| 19:05.08 | krka | and use the difference |
| 19:05.12 | krka | wouldn't that work? |
| 19:05.46 | Iriel | that would work fine |
| 19:06.00 | krka | why don't everyone do that? |
| 19:06.06 | krka | why do we have start at all? |
| 19:06.18 | Iriel | Because it's a debugging function |
| 19:06.33 | Iriel | it wasn't intended for 'general' use in published addons |
| 19:07.19 | krka | hm... this gives me an idea |
| 19:08.26 | Shouryuu | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.aspx?fn=wow-customer-service the place *not* to be as a blizzard employ |
| 19:08.30 | Shouryuu | *employee |
| 19:11.26 | krka | my proposal: http://wow.pastebin.com/696695 |
| 19:12.07 | krka | now i just have to figure out what the overhead of my hooking is |
| 19:13.42 | Iriel | krka: kill 'this' |
| 19:14.08 | snurre | Shouryuu: pfft, it's just a reminder of what you'd go through every day at work.. i can guarantee you that the blizz employees are used to all of the stuff in there :p |
| 19:14.16 | krka | hm... true, people may want to call it from different frames |
| 19:15.27 | MentalPower | no one has bothered to chip into my request post :( |
| 19:15.37 | MentalPower | :~( |
| 19:16.43 | Iriel | The overhead will almost certainly be less than you can measure |
| 19:17.12 | krka | if i hook all handlers in the game? |
| 19:17.29 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/696711 |
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| 19:19.08 | krka | weak keys? why |
| 19:19.29 | krka | if gc runs between a debugging, why should i throw away the result? |
| 19:19.54 | Iriel | you'd only throw away a result if the key no longer exised |
| 19:20.07 | Iriel | Though likely the keys would all be referenced objects anyway |
| 19:20.07 | ckknight | hey all |
| 19:20.13 | Iriel | SO you'd never actually clean up |
| 19:20.24 | krka | hm |
| 19:21.38 | Iriel | I prefer the following... |
| 19:21.55 | krka | good point |
| 19:22.22 | krka | now i have a test... i hook everything _again_ |
| 19:22.27 | krka | and read the results |
| 19:25.03 | krka | you're right, very minor differences |
| 19:25.07 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/696735 |
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| 19:26.28 | Iriel | Actually, I can make that better |
| 19:26.35 | krka | me too |
| 19:26.43 | krka | i realised the whole index thing is stupid |
| 19:26.52 | krka | if someone knows that they can have a parameter for start / stop |
| 19:26.58 | krka | they might aswell just use stop |
| 19:26.59 | krka | :( |
| 19:27.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Tem@204.90.50.252) |
| 19:27.39 | Wobin_ | Which type of link is the SetHyperLink one? |
| 19:27.41 | krka | oh... that's what you did too |
| 19:27.42 | krka | sorry :) |
| 19:27.46 | Wobin_ | (ie where do you see that?) |
| 19:27.50 | Iriel | Wobin_ _ eh ? |
| 19:28.22 | Wobin_ | hm, maybe I'm asking the wrong question. I'll come back later =) |
| 19:28.27 | krka | that's actually a pretty nice OO iriel |
| 19:28.53 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/696746 |
| 19:28.58 | Iriel | That one's slightly nicer |
| 19:30.04 | krka | why? |
| 19:30.10 | krka | only see 1 instead of start |
| 19:30.20 | Iriel | Yeah, it's a faster lookup and less memory |
| 19:30.37 | krka | hm, true |
| 19:30.40 | Iriel | (in theory anyway, i'm not 100% sure about allocation of hash tables for explicit {}'s) |
| 19:30.46 | Iriel | but it'd be faster |
| 19:30.49 | Iriel | microscopically |
| 19:32.40 | krka | cool, this little idea of mine actually worked |
| 19:33.13 | krka | anyone wants to test this out? |
| 19:33.35 | krka | would be fun to see how much of your computer time is spent in Lua |
| 19:34.33 | krka | Iriel, are you going to include the debugprofile-hack in DevTools or make it an embedded or something like that? |
| 19:35.51 | Iriel | I dont want to encourage people to use it in general cases, if I wanted that i'd ask for getfinetimer() or something |
| 19:35.55 | Iriel | Maybe i'll do that anyway |
| 19:36.10 | krka | not sure why this is a bad thing |
| 19:36.19 | krka | "timing stuff is only for debugging"? |
| 19:37.28 | Kirkburn | Important: "We will only allow account transfers within the same household to prevent abusive behavior" |
| 19:37.50 | krka | how will they check that? |
| 19:37.56 | Kirkburn | Billing address |
| 19:38.01 | Kirkburn | (I guess) |
| 19:38.26 | krka | ah, good point |
| 19:38.42 | Kirkburn | At least they are coming, though |
| 19:39.21 | krka | 4% of the time is in lua... |
| 19:39.27 | krka | now i need to check how much time is spent in wow total |
| 19:39.42 | krka | 98% |
| 19:39.46 | krka | interesting |
| 19:40.37 | krka | oooh... 0.8% if i hit alt-z |
| 19:40.45 | krka | i wonder what that means |
| 19:40.49 | krka | OnUpdate is 4%? |
| 19:41.05 | Iriel | I posted a request for it... |
| 19:41.12 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=372377 |
| 19:41.41 | krka | that's a good request |
| 19:41.54 | krka | in the mean time, this seems like good enough fix |
| 19:43.49 | Stylpe | Iriel, when did you get an animated avatar? |
| 19:44.59 | krka | when got MVP |
| 19:45.19 | Stylpe | huh. |
| 19:45.36 | Stylpe | It's awesome =) |
| 19:46.01 | krka | yup |
| 19:46.21 | krka | 3% with all addons except Usage disabled |
| 19:46.30 | krka | let's see what it goes down to with alt-z |
| 19:47.03 | krka | i should add this to PerformanceFu perhaps... |
| 19:47.21 | krka | 0.5% with alt-z |
| 19:47.58 | krka | which proves that blizzards OnUpdate consume ~2.5% of the processor |
| 19:49.05 | sharkhat | is there a mod that absolutly maximizes wow performance, that disables everything but what is necessary? |
| 19:49.33 | krka | hiding the actionbuttons probably goes a long way |
| 19:50.16 | krka | the OnUpdate for MainMenuBar is about 0.8% - 1% |
| 19:51.54 | Iriel | careful about your use of 'proves' there |
| 19:53.12 | krka | heh, yeah |
| 19:53.15 | Iriel | Unless you've disabled *ALL* of your other addons then all it does is indicate a probability |
| 19:53.36 | krka | even by measuring it, i am affecting it |
| 19:53.54 | Iriel | That too, but you can correct for that with careful baselineing |
| 19:54.21 | krka | yeah |
| 19:57.30 | krka | ooh... had an idea now |
| 19:57.32 | wereHamster | Iriel, who gave you the animated avatar picture? |
| 19:57.39 | krka | can profile per source frame |
| 19:58.08 | krka | and sort on usage |
| 19:59.58 | Kirkburn | wereHamster, all MVPs get it |
| 20:00.18 | wereHamster | MVP? |
| 20:00.27 | Kirkburn | Most Valued Posters |
| 20:00.37 | Kirkburn | They all get the same avatar |
| 20:00.53 | Kirkburn | There are three in the general forum, 1 in UI :), and 1 in the Tech forum |
| 20:01.31 | Kirkburn | (Such as Palehoof, Faizaniel...) |
| 20:02.40 | wereHamster | .. I know only the interface customization forum on the US servers :) |
| 20:02.59 | Tem | if Cair comes back when I'm not paying attention somone poke me please |
| 20:03.11 | Iriel | Can we poke you anyway, just for laughs? |
| 20:03.16 | Tem | ... |
| 20:03.17 | Tem | sure? |
| 20:03.28 | Cide | /crash |
| 20:03.30 | Cairenn|afk | be fast, I'm only here for a minute, I need to go |
| 20:03.55 | Iriel | Miss "I wont be on all day" is as "afk" as she is "sleeping" |
| 20:04.42 | Tem | typical |
| 20:04.50 | Kirkburn | (I'd suggest typing faster, Tem?) |
| 20:04.59 | Tem | Kirkburn: pms |
| 20:05.11 | Tem | PMs* |
| 20:05.57 | Cairenn|afk | Iriel: I forgot her heels, had to run home to get them. Did a quick scan of the forums, my email, happened to see Tem's message as I was turning the screen back off ... anyway, I'm out again, later all |
| 20:06.01 | Cairenn|afk | be back late tonight |
| 20:06.12 | Tem | ooh |
| 20:06.15 | Tem | Graduation? |
| 20:06.21 | Cairenn|afk | Soiree |
| 20:06.25 | Tem | ah, right |
| 20:06.31 | Tem | tell her good luck! |
| 20:06.35 | Cairenn|afk | will do |
| 20:06.37 | Cairenn|afk | bye |
| 20:06.51 | Stylpe | Hey, does anyone here have Elune's Lanten? |
| 20:07.07 | Kirkburn | She wanting it back? |
| 20:07.32 | Stylpe | No, Elune said it's okay |
| 20:07.34 | Tem | I never did bother to do that quest |
| 20:07.41 | Stylpe | but I think KIC has a problem with it |
| 20:10.01 | krka | why do people like to kill idle people in GZ? |
| 20:10.32 | krka | whoa.... the bags all make the top 5 |
| 20:11.20 | krka | ops, inversed the sort |
| 20:11.22 | krka | never mind |
| 20:12.46 | krka | UIParent, WorldFrame, TemporaryEnchantFrame, followed by the actionbuttons win |
| 20:13.49 | Josh_Borke | krka: eh? |
| 20:14.45 | krka | measuring performance |
| 20:14.58 | krka | actually, measuring time spent in lua |
| 20:15.03 | krka | both total, and per frame |
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| 20:23.35 | krka | i wonder what TemporaryEnchantFrame is |
| 20:23.59 | Cide | item buffs, I believe |
| 20:24.00 | Gryphen | do not trade slot in trade frame? |
| 20:24.23 | Gryphen | lol |
| 20:25.14 | Gryphen | buffframe had too many fff's? |
| 20:26.42 | krka | UIParent sure does a whole lot OnUpdate |
| 20:30.34 | krka | now i just need to figure out which of these function calls in UIParent:OnUpdate |
| 20:31.20 | krka | my god |
| 20:31.23 | krka | this is awful |
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| 20:31.38 | ToastTheif | okay |
| 20:31.43 | ToastTheif | somone anyone who knows Visor |
| 20:31.52 | ToastTheif | I have a question |
| 20:32.23 | ToastTheif | anyone? |
| 20:32.52 | krka | http://wow.pastebin.com/696892 |
| 20:32.56 | Kirkburn | MAGES: For the upcoming talent preview, IGN will be offering a quick preview on their website at 9am PDT, tomorrow(5/4/06). When that time approaches we will provide a more direct link to the content being previewed. |
| 20:32.57 | krka | best code ever? |
| 20:33.34 | Josh_Borke | i've used visor... |
| 20:33.37 | Kremonte | krka - what? |
| 20:33.39 | Kremonte | ._. |
| 20:34.33 | ToastTheif | well I need help |
| 20:34.39 | ToastTheif | I have a profile that I did for one of my characters |
| 20:34.41 | Josh_Borke | what's so bad about that krka? |
| 20:34.42 | [MoonWolf] | wait, ign is selling leaked content now.... |
| 20:34.43 | ToastTheif | and I want to use it on another one |
| 20:35.01 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 20:35.02 | krka | linear search instead of using hash tables |
| 20:35.09 | Josh_Borke | that's what i thought |
| 20:35.09 | ToastTheif | so I CnP the data in Visor.lua from my one profile to the other |
| 20:35.13 | ToastTheif | and I reloaded my UI |
| 20:35.13 | krka | also, it's ugly done :P |
| 20:35.19 | Wobin_ | ToastTheif: Probably =) |
| 20:35.25 | ToastTheif | and nothing happened |
| 20:35.34 | ToastTheif | so I looked at the visor.lua |
| 20:35.36 | Josh_Borke | ToastTheif: visor settings are controlled by ace, i'm pretty sure |
| 20:35.37 | Wobin_ | Did you check that the names were changed? |
| 20:35.41 | Kremonte | is there any way to make a number 2 digits with string.format? |
| 20:35.53 | Kremonte | or do i have to do if(n<10) n = "0" . n |
| 20:35.59 | ToastTheif | and it reset the code in my profile |
| 20:36.00 | ToastTheif | back to nothing |
| 20:36.05 | Maldivia | string.format("%2d", i) |
| 20:36.10 | Kremonte | ! |
| 20:36.12 | Kremonte | didn't know that |
| 20:36.13 | Kremonte | ty <3 |
| 20:36.25 | Maldivia | if you want zero-padded: %02d |
| 20:36.32 | Kremonte | ah there we go |
| 20:36.33 | Kremonte | thanks |
| 20:37.01 | krka | FCF_OnUpdate is the worst lua function in the game, apparently |
| 20:37.09 | krka | just so you know |
| 20:37.50 | Maldivia | can be used for all types, for instance "%10s" -> " str" "%-10s" -> "str " |
| 20:39.25 | Josh_Borke | krka: gonna pastebin that code? ^_^ |
| 20:40.36 | Josh_Borke | ToastTheif: i don't think comping visor.lua is the right way. there should be a visor command pertaining to it, but i don't know what it is |
| 20:40.48 | krka | sure |
| 20:40.57 | Josh_Borke | while i still have time to look at such things :-) |
| 20:41.04 | krka | actually... i should make it into an actual addon somehow |
| 20:41.12 | krka | just not sure how |
| 20:41.25 | Josh_Borke | the thing you're using now? |
| 20:41.32 | krka | yeah |
| 20:41.34 | ToastTheif | okay well I checked the visor docs |
| 20:41.35 | ToastTheif | and nothing |
| 20:41.38 | ToastTheif | so I have this code |
| 20:41.42 | krka | oh... you meant the FCF_OnUpdate |
| 20:41.46 | ToastTheif | and I just wnat it to be in my profile for my char |
| 20:41.47 | Josh_Borke | krka: have you seen the LuaProfiler? |
| 20:41.47 | ToastTheif | :( |
| 20:41.48 | krka | i haven't actually looked at FCF_OnUpdate |
| 20:41.55 | Josh_Borke | krka: yes, i mean FCF_OnUpdate |
| 20:42.04 | krka | Josh_Borke, yeah i've seen screens from it |
| 20:42.15 | krka | that differs, in that you have to choose what to monitor |
| 20:42.28 | krka | i monitor everything and sort by time spent |
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| 20:43.43 | Shouryuu | Rar.... |
| 20:44.40 | krka | hmm... with this, i can make an addon that replaces and optimizes blizzards builtin functions |
| 20:44.42 | ToastTheif | Shour |
| 20:44.47 | ToastTheif | you know visor? |
| 20:44.48 | Shouryuu | Si? |
| 20:44.53 | Shouryuu | By name only |
| 20:45.00 | ToastTheif | bleh |
| 20:45.06 | Shouryuu | Why? |
| 20:45.24 | Shouryuu | Tain wrote it, so ask him if you need help |
| 20:45.29 | ToastTheif | well I know |
| 20:45.33 | ToastTheif | but I dunno where Tain is |
| 20:45.37 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 20:45.40 | ToastTheif | and actually Rowne wrote it, Tain took over |
| 20:45.45 | Shouryuu | Ah |
| 20:45.47 | Shouryuu | Didn't know that |
| 20:45.52 | ToastTheif | well you should |
| 20:45.58 | ToastTheif | Rowne is the man! =P |
| 20:46.00 | Shouryuu | =( |
| 20:46.17 | ToastTheif | Im trying to load a profile from one of my characters to another |
| 20:46.36 | Shouryuu | Really can't help you |
| 20:47.08 | Josh_Borke | krka: ah :-) |
| 20:47.21 | krka | http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/tmp/default-performance.png |
| 20:48.06 | ToastTheif | this is making me want to cry |
| 20:48.18 | Shouryuu | lol krka still getting ganked in gadz? |
| 20:48.23 | krka | yup |
| 20:48.29 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 20:48.29 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 20:48.39 | Maldivia | http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eyopeng26xf.gif ... cute :) |
| 20:48.43 | krka | when i code i tend to find myself at the graveyard without knowing how i got there |
| 20:48.59 | krka | don't tell me i'm the only one that happens to :( |
| 20:49.15 | Shouryuu | I don't code often :P |
| 20:49.21 | Josh_Borke | i use a lowbie to code |
| 20:49.22 | Josh_Borke | so nope |
| 20:49.24 | Shouryuu | Maldivia lol |
| 20:49.30 | Maldivia | when I code, I find my self being banged on by repops... |
| 20:49.30 | Josh_Borke | or when i'm in a raid :D |
| 20:50.16 | Maldivia | I coded a lot when we trying nef the first few times, waiting 45 mins outside UBRS for the zone to reset |
| 20:50.27 | Maldivia | but other wise, trash pulls = code time |
| 20:50.41 | Kremonte | wahoo |
| 20:50.42 | Josh_Borke | yep |
| 20:50.43 | Kremonte | zeppelin timers are done |
| 20:50.47 | Kremonte | :3 |
| 20:51.00 | Kremonte | gonna make a minimod and test em on 2 servers |
| 20:51.11 | Kremonte | that is assuming it doesn't take too long to get from stormwind to gromgol |
| 20:51.15 | Kremonte | as alliance. >< |
| 20:51.34 | krka | so.. should i perhaps make a FuBar plugin for this? |
| 20:51.52 | Tem | krka: for what? |
| 20:51.57 | ToastTheif | AHHHHHHHHH |
| 20:52.08 | ToastTheif | k screw this |
| 20:52.10 | ToastTheif | Im going outside |
| 20:52.11 | Tem | Kremonte: how are you seeding the time? |
| 20:52.14 | ToastTheif | byebye |
| 20:52.19 | KarlKFI | lol, cair's definitely an addict |
| 20:52.27 | Tem | ? |
| 20:52.50 | KarlKFI | she runs home to pick up something and stops to check forums and irc, lol |
| 20:52.59 | KarlKFI | awsome |
| 20:53.18 | krka | Tem, my performance analyzer |
| 20:53.20 | KarlKFI | she should win an award |
| 20:53.34 | Tem | ah cool |
| 20:53.34 | Kremonte | Tem: i gotta test it cross-server ._. |
| 20:53.49 | krka | see my latest screenshot :P |
| 20:54.28 | Tem | Kremonte: how are you certain that the times are consistent across resets and that sort of thing? |
| 20:54.43 | Tem | s/resets/restarts/ |
| 20:55.21 | Tem | AARG! |
| 20:55.29 | Tem | my svn client keeps barfing |
| 20:55.42 | Tem | svn: Can't move 'DuctTape/.svn/tmp/entries' to 'DuctTape/.svn/entries': Permission denied |
| 20:56.00 | Tem | (this is a few minutes after doing a chmod -R +rw * |
| 20:56.01 | KarlKFI | lol, ouch. apple won some major court fights today |
| 20:56.10 | Tem | about what KarlKFI ? |
| 20:56.16 | Tem | the iTunes pricing? |
| 20:56.20 | KarlKFI | ya |
| 20:56.30 | Shouryuu | what happened? |
| 20:56.31 | KarlKFI | and against france's ipod war |
| 20:57.01 | KarlKFI | it's /.ed go read for yourself |
| 20:57.13 | krka | wereHamster, you're shag right? |
| 20:57.52 | KarlKFI | "The French government has apparently reconsidered a proposal to force Apple Computer to make the songs it sells through its iTunes Music Store playable on devices that compete with its iPods." |
| 20:58.17 | wereHamster | krka, right |
| 20:58.40 | krka | i was pondering whether my little thing could be integrated into LuaProfiler |
| 21:00.17 | wereHamster | krka, what little thing? |
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| 21:00.50 | krka | http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/tmp/default-performance.png |
| 21:01.13 | krka | i have hooked all events of all frames to measure their performance |
| 21:01.31 | krka | also, i can measure the total time spent in lua |
| 21:01.39 | wereHamster | krka, did you take a look at OnUpdateWatch? |
| 21:01.44 | krka | no |
| 21:02.19 | krka | does that do the same thing? :( |
| 21:02.20 | wereHamster | krka, argh.. sorry.. it's OnEventWatch -.- |
| 21:02.33 | wereHamster | and it hooks all OnEvent handlers |
| 21:02.38 | krka | damn it, it does :P |
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| 21:03.10 | wereHamster | maybe you could change that to OnUpdateWatch :) |
| 21:04.31 | krka | heh, OnEventWatch ignores the first frame |
| 21:06.27 | krka | argh... why does it use parameters for OnEvent |
| 21:06.30 | krka | it doesn't have any |
| 21:06.53 | krka | will break on nested events too it seems |
| 21:07.04 | wereHamster | I was planing to extend the statistic data in LuaProfiler.. min-time spend in function, more memory statistics etc.. |
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| 21:11.40 | krka | sounds good |
| 21:12.18 | wereHamster | krka, you are better off modifying OnEventWatch, because as it seems you hook the frame scripts whereas I hook lua functions.. |
| 21:12.42 | krka | yeah, that seemed more similar to mine |
| 21:12.52 | krka | though that only did OnEvent, i do all On* |
| 21:15.10 | wereHamster | .. many addons hook UIParent:OnUpdate() so this 0.74% comes from a lot of addons.. In some cases LuaProfiler could show which addon takes how much of those 0.74% |
| 21:16.34 | krka | in my case, i was only running blizz default + the profiler |
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| 21:17.24 | KarlKFI | i was gonna do something, anyone remember what it was? |
| 21:17.42 | krka | the Fade / Flash-thingies in UIParent:OnUpdate is pretty pad |
| 21:18.32 | KarlKFI | actually, I tried slowing those down and putting frames in between OnUpdates. It's not worth it. No significant fps increase |
| 21:19.08 | krka | but significant less time spent in lua |
| 21:19.42 | krka | i think it was around 0.5% of the total cpu time for me |
| 21:19.46 | KarlKFI | if you say so. If you're interested I have about 3 versions of a SpeedHack mod that does similar things |
| 21:19.47 | krka | of course, it varies with computer |
| 21:19.58 | krka | similar things to what? |
| 21:20.18 | KarlKFI | delays OnUpdates with registered frames |
| 21:20.55 | wereHamster | oh yeah.. I noticed FCF_OnUpdate() to drop by ~50% by locking chat settings.. |
| 21:21.34 | KarlKFI | that's just cause the tabs don't show up |
| 21:21.48 | KarlKFI | that chunk of the OnUpdate is > 100 lines |
| 21:22.20 | wereHamster | really? last time I checked it was only a couple of lines O.o |
| 21:23.21 | KarlKFI | FCF_OnUpdate is line 812 - 990 |
| 21:23.38 | wereHamster | KarlKFI, oh.. you're right.. |
| 21:24.38 | KarlKFI | I know because I rewrote it all when I made ChannelManager |
| 21:24.51 | KarlKFI | to make my tabs have the same effect |
| 21:25.08 | KarlKFI | that was almost a year ago |
| 21:25.49 | KarlKFI | then last summer i worked on speedhack to offset onupdate, but it doesn't do much, I'll post the code tho, gimme a sec |
| 21:26.00 | Iriel | krka: How are you detemining 'cpu time' ? |
| 21:26.18 | Iriel | I wasn't aware we had **ANY** visibility into that |
| 21:26.22 | krka | i am using the assumption than wow i using 100% |
| 21:26.23 | krka | :P |
| 21:26.28 | krka | that |
| 21:26.41 | krka | actually... no i'm not |
| 21:27.05 | krka | ok... my assumption is that nothing interrupts lua |
| 21:27.24 | Iriel | AND that wow is using 100% |
| 21:27.25 | krka | (which is wrong) |
| 21:27.43 | krka | no, i am just doing time in lua / total time |
| 21:27.54 | krka | then i get lua processor usage |
| 21:27.57 | wereHamster | krka, that's what I'm doing, too :) |
| 21:28.14 | krka | of course, it gets screwed up if something interrupts lua often |
| 21:28.24 | KarlKFI | http://karlkfi.no-ip.com/games/wow/SpeedHack2.zip |
| 21:28.29 | Iriel | You get lua wall-clock time |
| 21:28.40 | Iriel | You have no idea what processor usage is |
| 21:28.40 | krka | yes |
| 21:28.46 | krka | true |
| 21:28.57 | krka | this is as close as i can get, i think |
| 21:29.05 | Iriel | Quite likely |
| 21:29.09 | krka | and it's still a useful metric |
| 21:29.11 | Iriel | but label it as % UI processing time |
| 21:29.13 | Iriel | not % CPU itme |
| 21:29.23 | Iriel | that's really all I'm trying to get at 8-) |
| 21:29.26 | krka | % UI processing time? |
| 21:29.41 | krka | hm... you mean so that i all frames in total add upp to 100? |
| 21:29.45 | Elkano | btw: anyone has an idea why they updated that many world/maps/(bla).adt files with 1.10.2? |
| 21:29.57 | Kremonte | what's wrong with being a nerd? ._. |
| 21:29.58 | Iriel | Elkano : They removed outlands, apparently |
| 21:29.58 | Josh_Borke | they removed outland |
| 21:31.02 | Elkano | hmmm.... |
| 21:31.09 | KarlKFI | iriel, any change in IVF before i go back to working with it? |
| 21:31.17 | Iriel | krka: Do you hook *ALL* script handlers? |
| 21:31.28 | krka | yes |
| 21:31.33 | Iriel | KarlKFI : Not since the last upload last night |
| 21:31.59 | Iriel | (v 0.5-dev) |
| 21:31.59 | KarlKFI | k, i'm gonna make an xml loader so I can more easily embed it |
| 21:32.35 | KarlKFI | oh .5 i dont have |
| 21:32.46 | KarlKFI | or is that jsut the bugfix |
| 21:33.33 | Iriel | It was just fixing the property ordering |
| 21:33.39 | KarlKFI | ah, k |
| 21:33.46 | KarlKFI | i'll grab that then |
| 21:34.00 | KarlKFI | you should still add a variable check for warnings ;) |
| 21:34.06 | Iriel | the major version is unchanged. |
| 21:34.32 | krka | Iriel, why did you wonder if i hooked all script handlers? |
| 21:34.50 | Iriel | krka: You saud you were adding up 'time in lua' |
| 21:35.01 | Iriel | There's a lot of entrypoints, some of which aren't even hookable |
| 21:35.11 | krka | hm |
| 21:35.17 | krka | what other entrypoints are there? |
| 21:35.23 | Iriel | key bindings? |
| 21:35.24 | krka | c code calling lua code directly? |
| 21:35.33 | krka | true |
| 21:35.36 | Kirkburn | I find it odd that it took them 1 1/2 years to remove outland from the game code |
| 21:35.40 | krka | but that case is uninteresting anyway :P |
| 21:35.55 | Iriel | otherwise it's all of the script handlers |
| 21:36.01 | Iriel | OnEnter/OnLeave/OnShow/OnHide etc |
| 21:36.06 | krka | yeah |
| 21:36.19 | krka | hmm... i could probably hook the keybindings too though |
| 21:36.25 | Iriel | Not really |
| 21:36.29 | Kirkburn | I will take this moment to correct myself and anyone else ... it's Outland. Not the outlands, outlands, outlandland or brownville. =) |
| 21:36.47 | wereHamster | I like brownville... |
| 21:37.01 | KarlKFI | i think it's actually refered to as The Outlands |
| 21:37.04 | Kirkburn | I think Mr Hanky lives there |
| 21:37.07 | krka | ah, you're right, i can't |
| 21:37.32 | Kirkburn | KarlKFI, I'm actually gonna check now, cos I didn't before :P |
| 21:37.41 | KarlKFI | but I don't think it was named by the orcs |
| 21:37.44 | Iriel | It's "Outland" in their docs |
| 21:37.52 | [MoonWolf] | YEP |
| 21:37.52 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Draenor |
| 21:38.02 | [MoonWolf] | Outland or draenor. |
| 21:38.46 | KarlKFI | well technically The Outlands is what has become of what was known as Draenor |
| 21:38.54 | Kirkburn | So similar to the Badlands in the game that it's easy to make it plural |
| 21:38.56 | [MoonWolf] | true |
| 21:39.06 | Kirkburn | "Outland is the remnants of the red world of Draenor" |
| 21:39.14 | KarlKFI | it was called The Outlands by the alliance |
| 21:39.36 | KarlKFI | before the orcs were on communicating terms |
| 21:39.51 | Kirkburn | Where? |
| 21:39.54 | KarlKFI | I suspect it was later shortened to Outland |
| 21:40.03 | Kirkburn | It's only ever called Outland on the official site |
| 21:40.11 | ckknight | when it was ravaged by Illidan and his ilk, the land became defiled, and was then called Outland |
| 21:40.20 | krka | hah! i am not the only one who fails at /me |
| 21:40.40 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 21:41.02 | KarlKFI | lucky for you I have the wc2x manual before me |
| 21:41.09 | Kirkburn | Either way, the proper name is Outland :P |
| 21:42.00 | Kirkburn | Similar to Swamps of Sorrow / Swamp of Sorrows |
| 21:42.16 | Kirkburn | former is the original name |
| 21:42.39 | Kirkburn | (I have the WC1 manual =) |
| 21:42.57 | KarlKFI | so do i |
| 21:43.02 | KarlKFI | is it in there? |
| 21:43.12 | Kirkburn | Map |
| 21:43.24 | KarlKFI | in wc3 guldan only refers to it as draenor |
| 21:44.13 | Kirkburn | Well it still is to many orcs |
| 21:44.36 | KarlKFI | er medivh |
| 21:45.12 | Kirkburn | WC1 ... Chapter 3: Swamps of Sorrow: With Blackhand's raiding parties routed, now is the time for us to secure a lasting peace in the area around Grand Hamlet. You must seek out the Orcish outpost of Kyross that lies deep within the Swamps of Sorrow, and destroy it." |
| 21:45.31 | Kirkburn | Ah, well Medivh isn't an orc :P |
| 21:47.08 | Kirkburn | Places visited in WC1 ... Goldshire, Northshire Abbey, Swamps of Sorrow, Black Rock Spire, Dead Mines, Stonard (Rockard, Sunnydale) |
| 21:47.30 | Kirkburn | (sunnyglade, I mean) |
| 21:47.56 | KarlKFI | funny thing: it's Stonewind in WC1 |
| 21:48.00 | krka | ah right, wc1+2 are only on eastern |
| 21:48.02 | Kirkburn | Ooh, plus Elwynn Forest, Moonbrook, Darkshire, Stormwind |
| 21:48.04 | KarlKFI | and Stormwind in WC2 |
| 21:48.05 | Elkano | hmmm... I should start playing WC1 nce again... if only for the story... |
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| 21:48.26 | Kirkburn | Stonewind? |
| 21:48.30 | KarlKFI | check the map |
| 21:48.47 | Kirkburn | Stormwind in my manual :s |
| 21:48.57 | KarlKFI | my manual says Stonewind |
| 21:49.18 | KarlKFI | copywrite date on yours? |
| 21:49.31 | Kirkburn | Lol, true! |
| 21:49.41 | Kirkburn | Stormwind in the text, Stonewind on the map |
| 21:49.46 | KarlKFI | :) |
| 21:50.22 | Kirkburn | "orc camp" ... it is what it is ... |
| 21:50.24 | KarlKFI | map's not signed, I blame samwise |
| 21:50.50 | krka | i blame slouken! |
| 21:50.55 | Kirkburn | Notice that the Black Morass is still on that map |
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| 21:51.28 | Kirkburn | But the shape of the area is still pretty similar to WoW |
| 21:51.31 | KarlKFI | i think it's more funny elwynn is off to the side |
| 21:51.43 | Kirkburn | The trees moved :P |
| 21:52.08 | KarlKFI | moonbrook and grand hamlet must have been stomped out of existance |
| 21:52.10 | Kirkburn | And whatever happened to Stonard's twin, Rockard? Great name! |
| 21:52.10 | krka | scan and share FTW? |
| 21:52.18 | Kirkburn | Moonbrook is in Westfall |
| 21:52.26 | Kirkburn | I've got a pdf copy |
| 21:52.31 | Kirkburn | I'll upload to my server |
| 21:52.31 | krka | ooh |
| 21:52.34 | krka | sweet |
| 21:52.55 | KarlKFI | dead mines was a great WC1 lvl |
| 21:53.09 | Kirkburn | Alliance or horde version? |
| 21:53.12 | krka | no gnomes in WC1 right? |
| 21:53.19 | krka | or dwarves |
| 21:53.26 | zenzelezz | I never played WC1... just WC2 |
| 21:53.27 | Kirkburn | nope |
| 21:53.43 | krka | how is their absence explained? |
| 21:54.15 | KarlKFI | they weren't known about. I believe the gnomes came up out of the mines |
| 21:54.25 | KarlKFI | and the dwarves were further north |
| 21:54.27 | Kirkburn | Also, 'retcons' ... altered lore |
| 21:54.34 | krka | maybe war2 explains it |
| 21:54.40 | Kirkburn | (see wowwiki) |
| 21:54.41 | krka | they have both dwarves and gnomes |
| 21:55.15 | Kirkburn | Almost done uploading |
| 21:55.17 | krka | altered lore sucks, i'll take any kind of weird holey story over that |
| 21:55.26 | KarlKFI | wow needs warlocks |
| 21:55.36 | krka | O_o? |
| 21:55.38 | Kirkburn | The retcons are relatively small |
| 21:55.40 | krka | there isn't now? |
| 21:55.41 | KarlKFI | real warlocks |
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| 21:55.49 | KarlKFI | i want summon spiders |
| 21:55.59 | krka | "that's not a warlock, that's a spoon" |
| 21:56.02 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Retcon |
| 21:56.14 | Kirkburn | Mages should be able to summon water elementals |
| 21:56.35 | KarlKFI | water elementals and fire elementals in wc1 were uber |
| 21:56.42 | Kirkburn | www.georgepribul.eu/manual.pdf |
| 21:56.50 | Kirkburn | There ya go :) |
| 21:57.02 | Kirkburn | Map is right at the bottom of the double manual |
| 21:57.33 | wereHamster | ui.. dot-eu domain :) |
| 21:58.14 | Kirkburn | Bought 2 weeks ago |
| 21:58.40 | krka | you mean demons in wc1? |
| 21:58.46 | krka | i don't recall fire elementals |
| 21:58.48 | Kirkburn | I think "Orc Camp" signifies Stranglethorn Vale :P Grom'gol, possibly ;) |
| 21:58.55 | Kirkburn | Mmm, demons |
| 21:58.58 | KarlKFI | there were both |
| 21:59.45 | KarlKFI | i have a tif map of draenor here, not sure if it's published, lemme check |
| 22:00.06 | Kirkburn | Orcs had fire elementals |
| 22:01.29 | Kirkburn | Two maps here (can't link) .... http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/382/ |
| 22:01.31 | KarlKFI | ah it is, in wc2x manual |
| 22:02.30 | KarlKFI | always thought it was funny the portal ended up on a pinensula |
| 22:02.48 | Kirkburn | Safe :) |
| 22:03.26 | KarlKFI | ya, that bottom map is the one i have |
| 22:04.28 | Kirkburn | There's also a W3TFT map on there |
| 22:05.00 | KarlKFI | fairly good lore collection there |
| 22:05.18 | Kirkburn | The site is amazing ... I'm a member of the lore forums |
| 22:05.41 | krka | would rock with a WoW movie |
| 22:06.00 | Kirkburn | Is that a general comment? |
| 22:06.34 | Kirkburn | I'd like a movie too, as long as Blizz gets complete control :) |
| 22:07.55 | Kirkburn | Some point I'm gonna buy the books |
| 22:09.33 | KarlKFI | mm, i didn't liek the wc books that much |
| 22:09.40 | KarlKFI | the diablo books are pretty good |
| 22:10.52 | Josh_Borke | bye all |
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| 22:54.45 | Kirkburn | Christ it's scary what happens when you leave the game for a while ... the fallout from my guild split is still ongoing :s |
| 22:55.17 | KarlKFI | guild dram sucks |
| 22:55.47 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 22:55.57 | KarlKFI | there's enUS is the other enEU? |
| 22:56.01 | Kirkburn | I'm glad to have never had to take sides |
| 22:56.03 | KarlKFI | or is it enUK |
| 22:56.07 | snurre | they can be fun from time to time tho :p |
| 22:56.09 | snurre | enGB |
| 22:56.09 | Kirkburn | enGB |
| 22:56.12 | KarlKFI | thx |
| 22:56.25 | Kirkburn | Spanish should be esES |
| 22:56.44 | Kirkburn | (I've noticed some put spSP) |
| 22:57.02 | KarlKFI | I'm wondering if I should build in enGB fallback on enUS |
| 22:57.11 | Kirkburn | Don't see any reason to |
| 22:57.21 | KarlKFI | cause duplicate string databases would suck |
| 22:57.28 | Kirkburn | Unless you want to be kind of spell color, etc ... correctly |
| 22:57.40 | Kirkburn | s/of/and/ |
| 22:57.57 | KarlKFI | well I'm writing a localization lib, I want to be thurough |
| 22:58.16 | Kirkburn | That sounds like a good idea |
| 22:58.47 | KarlKFI | wondering if i should have fallback from enUS to GB or just GB to US |
| 22:58.59 | Kirkburn | Personally, I think it's a good idea, but don't do it as a priority |
| 22:59.25 | Kirkburn | US spelling is used throughout the game, so that should be the main |
| 22:59.27 | KarlKFI | well i want to avoid too much double checking and also avoid duplicate databases |
| 23:00.22 | KarlKFI | think I'll have enGB fallback on enUS... hope I don't have to make any other 2ndarys later |
| 23:00.33 | Kirkburn | The US and GB stuff would be very very similar, unless you decide to include references to "tea on the lawn" or "cricket" |
| 23:01.01 | KarlKFI | as it is it goes from prefered locale to client locale to default addon locale |
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| 23:01.19 | snurre | it's mostly about the enUS blasphemic word "soccer" |
| 23:01.21 | Kirkburn | I'll just nod |
| 23:01.31 | Kirkburn | DEATH TO 'SOCCER' |
| 23:01.44 | Kirov | eek |
| 23:01.58 | snurre | football! |
| 23:02.04 | Kirkburn | It's American Football and Football, okay :) |
| 23:02.22 | snurre | yep |
| 23:02.27 | Kirov | Why american football is called football is beyond me. |
| 23:02.34 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 23:02.49 | Kirov | It's rugby for wusses |
| 23:02.50 | Kirkburn | Should be American Pseudo-rugby with protective padding |
| 23:03.02 | Kirkburn | Okay, Kirov's version was more accurate |
| 23:03.21 | snurre | lol |
| 23:03.23 | KarlKFI | rugby for people who like long careers |
| 23:03.34 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:03.40 | Kirov | Karl - heh |
| 23:03.51 | Kirov | longer careers |
| 23:03.53 | Kirkburn | Not particularly accurate, but funny :P |
| 23:04.24 | KarlKFI | well at elast they're still in good enough condition after to coach |
| 23:05.10 | KarlKFI | ok what's "English, French and German" in french and german |
| 23:05.19 | Kirkburn | Anglais |
| 23:05.32 | Kirkburn | I forget german :s |
| 23:05.40 | snurre | Anglais, Francais, somethingsomething |
| 23:05.50 | snurre | meh, i should know that.. i live in this godforsaken country :( |
| 23:05.53 | Kirkburn | German --- Englisch, Franzosisch, Dutsch |
| 23:05.53 | Kirov | I think they call english "fuck tards" in french. |
| 23:06.09 | Kirkburn | lol, total spelling failure |
| 23:06.12 | snurre | Deutsch |
| 23:06.17 | Kirkburn | ta snurre |
| 23:06.27 | snurre | Französisch isnt it? |
| 23:06.31 | Kirkburn | Dammit |
| 23:06.39 | Kirkburn | Stop prempting every sentence I write! |
| 23:06.45 | snurre | lol |
| 23:07.00 | Kirkburn | "The o in Franzosisch has an umlaut" |
| 23:07.16 | Kirov | englischer französischer Deutscher |
| 23:07.16 | KarlKFI | right, what's that in hex? |
| 23:07.22 | snurre | i should know this shit tho.. had 6 years of german in school and now im living in france.. too bad i dont :p |
| 23:07.37 | KarlKFI | which is which? |
| 23:07.37 | Kirov | sans the "er" |
| 23:07.45 | Kirkburn | yeah, sans 'er' |
| 23:08.22 | Kirov | allander or something for "german" in french |
| 23:08.27 | Kirkburn | Well, er, I also did german, french and italian. Where's the italian translation, eh?! Eh?! |
| 23:08.36 | Kirkburn | Allemande? |
| 23:08.42 | KarlKFI | there's no italian wow afaik |
| 23:09.07 | Kirov | italians don't play computer games |
| 23:09.11 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:09.16 | Kirkburn | No, no italian WoW yet |
| 23:09.35 | snurre | waaaaay too many italian people playing on our realms :( |
| 23:09.40 | Kirkburn | Market is tiny |
| 23:09.44 | Kirkburn | Crushridge? |
| 23:09.51 | snurre | yeh, and Hakkar |
| 23:09.58 | Kirkburn | I know someone on Crushridge |
| 23:10.05 | Kirkburn | Keep meaning to go on and say 'hi' |
| 23:10.28 | snurre | theyre better than Spainbreaker and Daggerspain tho :p |
| 23:10.34 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:10.59 | snurre | and Burning Legion is completely infested by Polish |
| 23:11.00 | KarlKFI | so German --- Englisch, Französisch, Deutsch and French --- Anglais, Francais... |
| 23:11.01 | Kirkburn | Dragonblight is relatively mixed fortunately |
| 23:11.59 | snurre | kor'gall is mainly swedish and croatian |
| 23:12.10 | Kirkburn | German = allemand according to google |
| 23:12.26 | Kirkburn | "Je suis allemand" |
| 23:12.45 | Kirkburn | Not sure how far to trust it |
| 23:13.31 | snurre | babelfish? |
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| 23:13.57 | Kirkburn | same |
| 23:14.02 | KarlKFI | Allemand sounds right but not sure spelling |
| 23:14.06 | KarlKFI | kk |
| 23:14.12 | Kirov | wait for Shour to get on |
| 23:14.16 | snurre | En français: |
| 23:14.16 | snurre | allemand |
| 23:14.20 | Kirkburn | He'll be asleep now |
| 23:14.35 | Iriel | Do you want the nationality or the country? |
| 23:14.42 | Kirkburn | Language, I think |
| 23:14.43 | Iriel | or the language? |
| 23:14.53 | KarlKFI | lang |
| 23:15.10 | Kirkburn | I should be doing better than this :S |
| 23:15.15 | snurre | lol same |
| 23:15.29 | Kirkburn | KarlKFI, how much stuff do you need to translate? |
| 23:16.41 | Kirkburn | I will be most effective with german translations |
| 23:17.12 | KarlKFI | just the languages atm, I'm making a table for each locale of what the other languages are called |
| 23:17.19 | Maldivia | btw - to people living in a CET/CEST timezone (and who are still up), you just missed the 01.02.03 04/05-06 :) |
| 23:17.21 | KarlKFI | but atm i'm just doing those 3 |
| 23:17.27 | Kirkburn | Mostly because unlike french, I haven't grown to hate that language :) |
| 23:17.31 | snurre | Maldivia: so i heard :p |
| 23:17.39 | snurre | i almost cared too |
| 23:17.40 | Kirkburn | Dammit, Maldivia |
| 23:18.12 | Kirkburn | I blame you |
| 23:18.44 | Maldivia | You do that... |
| 23:19.07 | Maldivia | I missed it aswell... I was writing angry posts on the forum :| |
| 23:19.34 | KarlKFI | i was in a midterm at the time |
| 23:21.04 | Kirkburn | What, 20 mins ago? |
| 23:21.40 | Kirkburn | America hasn't got there yet ... |
| 23:22.01 | Maldivia | America had it a month ago :) |
| 23:22.07 | Maldivia | do to your weird date-system :) |
| 23:22.55 | snurre | wtf |
| 23:22.56 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:22.57 | snurre | freaks |
| 23:23.12 | Kirkburn | I know, putting stuff in order of size is weird |
| 23:24.01 | Kirkburn | (although date and time is done in opposite directions) |
| 23:24.12 | Kirkburn | hrs mins secs days months years |
| 23:24.16 | Maldivia | mm/dd/yy... how is that in order if size ? |
| 23:24.18 | Maldivia | of* |
| 23:24.25 | snurre | i was about to ask the same |
| 23:24.29 | KarlKFI | was talkign about you, silly |
| 23:25.07 | KarlKFI | tho i think it's in order in terms of availible number |
| 23:25.08 | KarlKFI | s |
| 23:25.24 | KarlKFI | 12/31/infinite |
| 23:25.30 | Kirkburn | (sorry Maldivia I switched your subject from US to EU) |
| 23:25.48 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: well, next time, let us know before hand :) |
| 23:26.03 | Kirkburn | Shall do :P I'll try and read better too. Narf. |
| 23:27.21 | Maldivia | uhh... and let me just correct a terrible typo from ealier... s/do/due/ :) |
| 23:27.39 | Tem | I think it originated from the "long version" ie May third, 2006 |
| 23:27.52 | snurre | it's still stupid |
| 23:27.55 | Tem | I agree |
| 23:28.07 | Kemayo | I moved from England to the USA, and this has been a big point of adjustment for me. |
| 23:28.08 | Kirkburn | aye |
| 23:28.15 | Tem | 20060504 is much more clear |
| 23:28.24 | Kemayo | I mostly try to do as Tem said. :) |
| 23:28.29 | Iriel | Kemayo : Where in the US did you move to? |
| 23:28.53 | KarlKFI | well, as long as you don't date any checks you should be fine |
| 23:29.00 | Iriel | I use 2006-05-04 |
| 23:29.07 | Iriel | which happens to also be an ISO standard |
| 23:29.07 | Kemayo | St Louis, MO. Then I moved to the Los Angeles area of CA. |
| 23:29.11 | Tem | When I'm not sure who is going to be reading my dates, I write them out |
| 23:29.24 | Tem | (like in a changelog) |
| 23:29.41 | Iriel | Kemayo : Interesting I went from England -> Chicago IL -> San Francisco CA (or thereabouts on both cities) |
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| 23:29.56 | Tem | yay time to go home |
| 23:30.10 | Kemayo | The midwest is a great stopping point, I suppose. :) |
| 23:30.31 | Maldivia | yyyy-mm-dd makes things easier to sort aswell :) |
| 23:30.58 | Kemayo | Though I wouldn't recommend St Louis. Incredibly hot and humid in the summer, and quite cold in the winter. I liked the weather for about two months out of the year there. |
| 23:31.17 | Maldivia | Anyway, time for me to go to bed |
| 23:31.42 | Iriel | I spent enough time in St Louis in August to know how bad it gets |
| 23:32.09 | Iriel | the year a while back (1996-ish) when lots of people died in the midwest from the heat, I was in St Louis for a week in august |
| 23:32.18 | Kemayo | I may be biassed because my apartment only had one window-mounted AC unit. |
| 23:32.29 | Kirkburn | Night Maldivia |
| 23:32.35 | Maldivia | night |
| 23:32.38 | Kemayo | s/biassed/biased/ |
| 23:32.45 | Kemayo | Night Maldivia. |
| 23:32.56 | Maldivia | Iriel: btw, grats on the MVP :) |
| 23:33.00 | Iriel | Maldivia : thanks 8-) |
| 23:34.59 | Kirkburn | I love my Zen Vision:M :) |
| 23:35.27 | Kemayo | And now... I shall give Tiger Direct a reasonably large sum of money. |
| 23:35.42 | Kirkburn | 2 cents? |
| 23:35.54 | Kemayo | Alas, no. |
| 23:36.01 | Kemayo | $704. |
| 23:36.06 | Kirkburn | My 2c ... Tiger Direct, you have a rubbish name. |
| 23:36.22 | Kemayo | Their name is so-so, but it's memorable. |
| 23:36.30 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 23:36.36 | Kirkburn | Why $704? |
| 23:36.57 | Kirkburn | (I said it to have something to back up my two-part joke) |
| 23:37.21 | Kemayo | I'm buying a barebones computer setup, an extra 1GB of ram, and a video card. |
| 23:37.28 | Kirkburn | Ah |
| 23:37.29 | Kemayo | (Actually, it may be more. I haven't quite settled on the graphics card yet.) |
| 23:37.35 | Kirkburn | What might you go for? |
| 23:37.37 | Kirov | "Tiger Direct" makes me think it's run by Siegfried and Roy. |
| 23:37.49 | Kemayo | This is the computer: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2120037&sku=A455-2116%20A |
| 23:37.57 | Codayus | Incidentally - I highly recommend NewEgg over TigerDirect. :-) |
| 23:38.13 | Kirov | or ZipZoomFly |
| 23:38.56 | Kirkburn | Or WibbleWibblyBlong ... oh wait, we're not making up names? |
| 23:39.16 | Codayus | Last time I ordered from TigerDirect I paid for fast shipping because I was in a rush. They didn't ship the order for three days until I called them, then they shipped it surface and charged me for the fast shipping... |
| 23:39.51 | Kirkburn | Kemayo, what kind of gfx card you going for? |
| 23:40.18 | Codayus | An order I placed with NewEgg at the same time for some other parts arrived before TigerDirect even shipped the parts, and din't require me to spend 2 hours on hold trying to work out why the hell they wearn't sending me my stuff. Oh, and they finally responded to my emails....after a *week*... |
| 23:40.20 | Kirkburn | 7600 is good value for money iirc |
| 23:40.33 | Kirkburn | Not cool, Codayus |
| 23:40.39 | Codayus | Heh, still a bit bitter. |
| 23:41.11 | Iriel | NewEgg got me my new laptop the day after I ordered it |
| 23:41.24 | Kemayo | That's still up in the air. The $704 was with a 6600... but something like this might work: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2069722&Sku=E145-7844 |
| 23:41.28 | Codayus | I will say one thing in their credit - they eventually refunded me the entire shipping charge, and not just the difference between surface and the fast shipping I'd paid for...nonetheless, I'm not ordering from them again. :-D |
| 23:41.39 | Iriel | I ordered at about 11am on Monday and it arrived at 10:30am on tuesday |
| 23:41.52 | Kirkburn | Incredible Iriel ... live next door? :) |
| 23:42.37 | Iriel | No, across the country, I did pay for overnight shipping, and their rush service |
| 23:42.43 | Kemayo | I haven't shopped for a video card in about 5 years, so I'm rather up in the air on this. :) |
| 23:42.48 | Iriel | but they have a whole "we dont ship laptops for 1-2 days" |
| 23:43.06 | Iriel | Kemayo : Nvidia not ATI, that's about as far as I am without looking at models 8-) |
| 23:43.35 | Kemayo | I was indeed looking mainly at Nvidia. The motherboard is nForce4 with SLI, so it just makes sense. |
| 23:43.43 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 23:44.05 | Kirkburn | Ceratinly get something in the 7000s |
| 23:44.19 | Kirkburn | 7600 or 7800 is best |
| 23:44.24 | Kemayo | Because of the SLI I was thinking that I'd get something fairly cheap, and add a second one if I'm unsatisfied with the performance. |
| 23:44.37 | Kirkburn | 7600 sounds best for you |
| 23:44.49 | Kirov | Don't get a GS |
| 23:44.56 | Kirkburn | Or a cheap 7800 |
| 23:45.25 | Kirov | Unless you have some pressing reason for needed the 7xxx series features, get a 6xxxx non-gs if you're trying to save money |
| 23:46.53 | Kirkburn | It's all very confusing, and I'd read up on some review sites :) And the 6000 certainly isn't a bad choice |
| 23:47.31 | Kirkburn | I'm on a 6800 (GT at home, laptop version here) |
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| 23:47.38 | Kemayo | My impression was that there are a great many numbers and letters, which don't necessarily seem to translate into any sort of direct measurement of quality or heirarchy. |
| 23:48.04 | Kirkburn | GT is a good tag, I think |
| 23:48.13 | Kirkburn | GTX is the top-of-the-line |
| 23:48.17 | Kirkburn | GS is a no-go |
| 23:48.35 | Kirkburn | MX is an avoid-like-the-scourge |
| 23:48.57 | Kirov | yeah, GT is good |
| 23:49.09 | Kirkburn | Value for money, and doesn't skimp |
| 23:49.23 | Iriel | I have a 6800 GT at home also |
| 23:49.55 | Kirov | GS cards are like the ones that couldn't make it to GT quality but still need to get sold, so they're tossed in a box and called GS |
| 23:50.12 | Iriel | So the 'S' stands for 'Suck' ? |
| 23:50.16 | Kirov | with a gimp leg and a brain tumor |
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| 23:50.39 | Kirkburn | What kirov said is truer than you might think |
| 23:51.11 | Kirov | My recomendation - http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=322750 |
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| 23:51.38 | Kirkburn | There aren't always different production lines for each card, their rating is determined when the chips are tested |
| 23:52.12 | Kirkburn | But anyways, I should be off to bed |
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| 23:52.48 | Kirkburn | (good card, Kirov) |
| 23:53.07 | Kirkburn | Night night everyone! |
| 23:54.13 | KarlKFI | iriel, if I Instantiate a frame do I need to pass a 4th arg? |
| 23:55.18 | Iriel | KarlKFI : Not unless you want to override any properties |
| 23:55.40 | Iriel | KarlKFI : And there's a fifth arg which disables executing OnLoad on the final frame (but not its children) |
| 23:56.01 | Kemayo | Where does XT fit into this schedule of card tags? |
| 23:56.24 | Kirov | Kemayo - it's a weird one |
| 23:58.19 | Kirov | XT is basically a 6800 but a little less expensive |
| 23:59.17 | Kirov | Has more memory than the 6800 vanilla, same as the 6800 GT, but it's a slower card than the 6800GT |
| 23:59.31 | Kirov | it's aproximatly the same as the 6800 vanilla |
