| 00:00.20 | Kirkburn | confirmed |
| 00:00.43 | Kirkburn | A little bit of bad history has gone. Rejoice! |
| 00:01.18 | Kirkburn | (rejoice that people will be forced to go and download a working version) |
| 00:01.25 | Tain | If nothing else I like low-bandwidth versions of websites so I don't have to have my eyes assaulted by someone else's idea of nice web page design. |
| 00:01.25 | netcurse | löl |
| 00:01.47 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 00:01.59 | Gryphen | Yeah, I use WoWi in light mode, so much faster |
| 00:02.38 | Kirkburn | It's pretty cleanly designed even when in full mode, but the light mode is very nice |
| 00:03.24 | netcurse | Tain i ll ask coder to make you a text only template oki |
| 00:03.32 | netcurse | ;o |
| 00:04.42 | cladhaire | netcurse: I'd LOVE a lync compat version =) |
| 00:04.43 | cladhaire | but i'm sick |
| 00:05.35 | AnduinLothar | curse currently owns this computer... it takes a year to come up and then i can't scroll cause of the animated adds eating all of the availible 450mhz |
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| 00:06.05 | Kirkburn | Oooh, 450Mhz |
| 00:06.38 | netcurse | anduin do you want to try v2 to see if it s still slow ? |
| 00:06.53 | Gryphen | it is a little slow for met neko |
| 00:06.55 | Gryphen | netcurse |
| 00:07.02 | AnduinLothar | need a link, don't feel like typing from that pic |
| 00:07.03 | Gryphen | might be location |
| 00:07.25 | Gryphen | servers are europe right? |
| 00:07.31 | netcurse | the page are instant for me |
| 00:07.35 | netcurse | yes in paris |
| 00:07.55 | Tain | I'd love text only versions of most websites. |
| 00:08.03 | Kirkburn | Random question: does anyone know how to change the red messages that pop up stating: "Another Action is in Progress", "Can't do that while Stunned", etc.?" |
| 00:08.06 | AnduinLothar | the page loads quickly, but because it's so busy this old computer can't handle it |
| 00:08.39 | Kirkburn | And does anyone know what they're controlled by? |
| 00:10.50 | cladhaire | Vote MiniBlizzRaid: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4904 |
| 00:11.22 | AnduinLothar | i actually use blizz's raid :P |
| 00:11.27 | AnduinLothar | augmented of course |
| 00:11.30 | cladhaire | hehehe =) |
| 00:11.32 | cladhaire | use perfectraid |
| 00:11.35 | cladhaire | + miniblizzraid :P |
| 00:11.41 | Elviso | I use none :P |
| 00:11.50 | cladhaire | I use CTRA + PerfectRaid + MiniBlizzRaid |
| 00:11.56 | cladhaire | it definitely helps. |
| 00:11.56 | Tain | Raiding is for ametures! |
| 00:12.15 | AnduinLothar | i still want to get a ctra version w/o raid frames |
| 00:12.15 | Elviso | I'm a hunter though....but I've never understood why any non-healer/de-curser/raid-leader uses all the frames |
| 00:12.24 | Gryphen | Get people to mail you epics, jeez who raids? |
| 00:12.28 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: That would be a godsend |
| 00:12.58 | AnduinLothar | i like the raid features, i just dont like the frames |
| 00:13.18 | Cide | don't use them, then :) |
| 00:13.45 | Cide | don't think they take up much other than memory.. but yes, I would like to customize it, but it's hard |
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| 00:14.49 | cladhaire | Cide: You look at using a throttled OnUpdate with your single event handler at all? |
| 00:14.51 | AnduinLothar | i don't use them |
| 00:15.01 | Cide | not yet, no |
| 00:15.05 | AnduinLothar | i'm just saying i don't want to load them |
| 00:15.38 | AnduinLothar | maybe if the raidframes were an addon like the raid boss mod |
| 00:16.05 | Cide | perhaps |
| 00:16.13 | Kirkburn | Wow, cladhaire, that's a high favourites to downloads ratio, good sign |
| 00:16.45 | Kirkburn | (I'm one :) |
| 00:16.47 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: Save the users 2Megs of UI memory and that'll happen =) I just copied and pasted from the blizzard addon.. and commented out the 180!!! ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY raid frames they create |
| 00:16.57 | cladhaire | why 180 |
| 00:17.02 | cladhaire | 12 groups of 15. |
| 00:17.10 | Cide | see |
| 00:17.15 | Cide | that's what I tried to tell users when I disabled them in CTRA |
| 00:17.23 | Cide | but nope, "everybody" complained |
| 00:17.25 | cladhaire | Cide: But that takes aware the raid tab as well. |
| 00:17.30 | cladhaire | Cide: Give them the raid tab, and they'l;l be fine =) |
| 00:17.32 | cladhaire | thats why i wrote it |
| 00:17.32 | Cide | I added in that code myself |
| 00:17.47 | AnduinLothar | well I was thinking of making my version dynamicly generate the frames.. |
| 00:17.48 | Cide | so yes, there was a raid tab |
| 00:17.58 | AnduinLothar | but then i need a good template |
| 00:18.01 | Cide | I took it out again, and then other users complained that it takes up much memory again |
| 00:18.17 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:18.26 | cladhaire | the raid tab using blizzards code is 240k |
| 00:18.37 | cladhaire | and you could easily make it so it loads the full blizzraid UI if asked too |
| 00:18.52 | cladhaire | its easier when its standalone like this tho, you dont have to worry about those 80% jerkheadface users |
| 00:24.14 | Kirkburn | Oooh, I've almost hit 100,000 dls |
| 00:24.38 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 00:24.39 | cladhaire | grats |
| 00:26.37 | Kirkburn | Save that for when I actually do :P |
| 00:27.14 | Kirkburn | *releasing |
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| 00:29.13 | Ktron | alright, let's hear/generate some rumors about 1.12 and 1.13 and maybe even 1.14... unless there's a site where I could find 'info' on them |
| 00:30.13 | cladhaire | ZOMG WOWGURU HAS LEET BETA INFOZ |
| 00:30.14 | cladhaire | i mean. |
| 00:30.14 | cladhaire | hi |
| 00:30.16 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:30.22 | Gryphen | heya |
| 00:30.30 | Ktron | OMGZ WHEREZ!?? |
| 00:32.17 | Kirkburn | Gotta love irony :) Btw, I need new tag lines for ClearFont |
| 00:32.37 | Kirkburn | "CF, the clearest choice" is too boring :s |
| 00:32.54 | Tain | CF, it really whips the Zheva's ass |
| 00:33.02 | Kirkburn | (I heard 1.12 will be a Warlock patch ... ZOMG!) |
| 00:33.17 | Kirkburn | Zhevra? |
| 00:33.31 | cladhaire | Tain: Aaah i miss the old winamp days =) |
| 00:33.47 | Kirkburn | <-- lost |
| 00:34.28 | Tain | hehe |
| 00:34.45 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: Back in the day winamp came with a default sound that said "Winamp, it really whips the llama's ass". In game, the Zhevra is in the barrens, and it.. kinda.. llamaish i guess? |
| 00:34.46 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:34.57 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 00:35.25 | Kirkburn | Ah, reminds me of the good old days of Maxis and their obsession with Llamas |
| 00:35.36 | Gryphen | pretty sure it still does cladhaire |
| 00:35.46 | cladhaire | Gryphen: I haven't downloaded since it went UBER bloatware =( |
| 00:35.48 | Kirkburn | IIRC one of the SimCity 2000 rewards was the 'Llamatron' |
| 00:35.51 | cladhaire | i use musikcube at the moment. |
| 00:36.10 | Kirkburn | Or the llamadone, or something along those lines |
| 00:36.22 | Kirkburn | And they kept appearing in the little news ticker |
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| 00:37.57 | Tain | They got better with the current WinAmps, but the damage was done. |
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| 00:39.23 | Cairenn | sorry bout the spam |
| 00:39.34 | Gryphen | No, your not! |
| 00:39.43 | AnduinLothar | bot! |
| 00:39.52 | zenzelezz | we saw no spam... just a quit message |
| 00:40.22 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.35 | Tain | In and out, in and out, in and out |
| 00:44.01 | Kirkburn | On the new curse, can one customize the addon pages properly now? |
| 00:44.23 | Kirkburn | ... and on topic: "Shake it all about" |
| 00:44.54 | AnduinLothar | he left |
| 00:48.47 | Kirkburn | Yes, but others have played around with it :P And his name is still on the list. |
| 00:49.02 | Kirkburn | (on the screenshots he posted earlier it *just* cuts off the details section) |
| 00:49.15 | Gryphen | customize? |
| 00:51.33 | Elviso | so when you do tostring(sometable)...is the hex values returned pointer to the memory location, or some internal LUA pointer? |
| 00:51.41 | AnduinLothar | does have a most recent first option, yay |
| 00:51.49 | Elviso | odd question i know, just curious |
| 00:51.53 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, I mean to be able to use bold, sizes, etc |
| 00:52.24 | Gryphen | Kirkburn: no you cant |
| 00:52.25 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar, you've never noticed? |
| 00:52.43 | AnduinLothar | it's for v2 |
| 00:52.47 | Kirkburn | Damn, text-only files are so mean :( |
| 00:52.55 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar, but it already has it |
| 00:53.00 | Gryphen | AnduinLothar v1 has that |
| 00:53.19 | Kirkburn | I feel a bit fat 'lol' coming ... |
| 00:53.29 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 00:54.01 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 00:54.12 | Gryphen | l o l |
| 00:54.34 | Kirkburn | Looooool |
| 00:57.16 | Iriel | Elviso : They're the internal C pointer, I believe |
| 00:58.06 | Elviso | Iriel, thanks, was curious if they were perhaps somehow useful in some way, but I'd guess not with that being the case |
| 00:58.07 | Iriel | Elviso ; though wow may do something else |
| 00:58.22 | Elviso | (useful to us) |
| 00:58.27 | Iriel | Elviso : Beyond giving a name to otherwise unnamed objects, not really |
| 00:59.41 | Kirkburn | Right well I'm off to the prophetic bed now |
| 00:59.51 | Kirkburn | Nightie night! |
| 01:00.02 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn, sweet dreams |
| 01:00.31 | Kirkburn | And to you! (in a couple of hours =) |
| 01:04.27 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 01:04.58 | Iriel | Have fun until I return! |
| 01:05.19 | AnduinLothar | and then no more fun! |
| 01:05.33 | Tain | No fun for you! |
| 01:05.48 | Cairenn | come back, 1 year! |
| 01:05.56 | AnduinLothar | Iriel is NO FUN. None allowed while HE is present! Strickly enforced by ~whaleslap |
| 01:06.13 | AnduinLothar | ~whaleslap fun |
| 01:06.15 | purl | ACTION beats fun upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 01:07.34 | Tain | ~whaleblock AnduinLothar |
| 01:07.35 | purl | ACTION shields AnduinLothar with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 01:08.06 | AnduinLothar | huger? |
| 01:08.12 | Tain | heh |
| 01:08.20 | AnduinLothar | ~huger |
| 01:08.23 | Tain | hehe that's funny |
| 01:08.39 | AnduinLothar | purl, huger? |
| 01:08.42 | Cairenn | ~whalehug AnduinLothar |
| 01:08.44 | purl | ACTION Persuades a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh to hug AnduinLothar |
| 01:08.46 | Tain | m-w.com says it's valid |
| 01:08.52 | AnduinLothar | noooo |
| 01:09.15 | Cairenn | shoot, what's the other one? can't remember now |
| 01:09.17 | AnduinLothar | whaleblock doesn't say killer.. |
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| 01:16.25 | wereHamster | argh.. assembler is such a pain to debug :'( |
| 01:18.21 | Tain | Once you master that, you can do anything. |
| 01:18.29 | Osagasu | Zeeg is over on wowirc saying that WoWI is a IGE site again... -.- |
| 01:18.47 | Cairenn | that's nice |
| 01:19.39 | AnduinLothar | that's cause mira banned him on cosmostesters and he's going down the chain |
| 01:19.46 | Tain | haha |
| 01:20.08 | Osagasu | the problem is people actually believe him |
| 01:20.22 | AnduinLothar | get him banned |
| 01:20.28 | Cairenn | if you really care, Osagasu, point out that the reason he's busy bitching is because he's getting banned from channels |
| 01:21.01 | Cairenn | I'm sorry, I'm beyond giving a damn what he says |
| 01:21.47 | Cairenn | those that know, know, those that don't, well, they'll believe whatever they want, so it wouldn't matter if I went over there and tried to defend the sites |
| 01:22.30 | Cairenn | besides which, my presence and attempt to do so would just "validate" him in his own eyes (and possibly the eyes of others), thus making it all moot |
| 01:22.43 | AnduinLothar | heh, found that in OmniGraphle i can get around the object max limit by grouping things :) |
| 01:23.17 | Cairenn | and, the point of my finally having had enough of him in here was to get rid of the drama he always causes ... I'm not about to start it up again by continuing to discuss his actions elsewhere |
| 01:23.48 | Cairenn | I appreciate the fact you are trying to look out for us, don't get me wrong in the slightest, I truly do |
| 01:24.16 | Cairenn | I just ... /shrug, I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't, but at least if I don't it saves my blood pressure |
| 01:24.25 | AnduinLothar | shh |
| 01:24.30 | AnduinLothar | calm yourself |
| 01:25.05 | Cairenn | meh, I was done |
| 01:25.52 | Osagasu | Yes, I've lost one community member recently due to stress over in NWN, I won't want to lost one in WoW |
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| 01:32.20 | Osagasu | DA298E7F.58AD7A20.71BE7B67.IP/who wgb |
| 01:32.25 | Osagasu | oops. |
| 01:33.00 | Osagasu | I'm trying to ignore the person over on wowirc, but I can't figure out their name over here |
| 01:33.01 | Osagasu | -.- |
| 01:40.20 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-dungeons&t=489453&p=1&tmp=1#post489453 - I must say, that reply is golden |
| 01:42.40 | Tain | This is the first time I've really done any script editing in-game since installing FAIAP. Holy crap it's just awesome. |
| 01:46.00 | Elviso | don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back, Tain :p |
| 01:46.27 | Elviso | I concur though, it's very nice |
| 01:46.38 | Elviso | now, just give me line #'s! :) |
| 01:48.06 | ckknight | hey, is there a way to tell how many keys are in a hash? |
| 01:48.10 | Tain | haha I didn't write it! |
| 01:48.12 | ckknight | table.getn works for lists, but not hashes |
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| 01:54.04 | Cide | loop through and increment a variable.. don't think there's a better solution other than maintaining one yourself, constantly |
| 01:54.23 | Cide | but I'm not sure if there's a metamethod for when an index is deleted or not |
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| 01:57.51 | Miravlix_ | What does a RAW error message look like on an US server? |
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| 02:16.45 | Kaelten | hey guys |
| 02:22.55 | Cairenn | hi Kaelten |
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| 02:25.23 | AnduinLothar | damn. computer crashes, homework lost.. |
| 02:25.43 | AnduinLothar | overheated |
| 02:25.57 | Cairenn | ack, not good at all AnduinLothar |
| 02:26.17 | AnduinLothar | i still don't understand the nfs to dfa conversion |
| 02:26.48 | AnduinLothar | the way the teacher gave isn't even really an algorythm.. gonna have to google to learn what i should have learned in class |
| 02:29.18 | AnduinLothar | these 11pm deadlines need to die. it's not liek anyone's gonna see them till the next day anyway |
| 02:46.53 | Elviso | oh woe is me, my favorite pizza place stopped taking checks, and I have no cash on me |
| 02:48.52 | Tain | You had a pizza place that took checks? |
| 02:53.07 | Elviso | hell yeah |
| 02:53.21 | Elviso | most places here do |
| 02:53.29 | Elviso | pizza hut, domino's, etc |
| 02:54.33 | Tain | Wow. I've never had one that would, all my life. |
| 02:56.38 | Elviso | There's only 2 places on my very-large deliverable foods list that won't, the other being the baked potato place |
| 02:57.02 | Elviso | hell even the Chinese food places take them |
| 03:03.40 | AnduinLothar | checks suck, use plastic |
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| 03:05.16 | Wobin_ | AL: Meh I wish. I'm living in an almost purely cash based society atm =P |
| 03:05.37 | Tain | Yeah actually there's a distinct lack of places who'll take credit for delivery in my area. |
| 03:05.44 | Tain | Very sucky. |
| 03:05.59 | AnduinLothar | sad. I use plastic for everything but rent |
| 03:06.18 | AnduinLothar | and vending machines |
| 03:06.25 | Wobin_ | Rent, surprisingly enough, was the only thing I didn't use cash for |
| 03:06.33 | AnduinLothar | check for rent |
| 03:06.41 | AnduinLothar | cash for vending machines |
| 03:06.50 | Wobin_ | I managed to use direct deposit for rent |
| 03:06.55 | Wobin_ | It was a new concept for the landlord |
| 03:07.23 | AnduinLothar | sometimes i use cash for fast food cause del taco is too cheep to pay for credit and only takes debit and charges u 75 cents... everywhere else takes credit |
| 03:07.47 | Tain | I did have my rent set up with automatic checks mailed from my bank. |
| 03:07.50 | AnduinLothar | gas station even takes credit at the pump |
| 03:09.11 | AnduinLothar | and utilities are all paid online with credit |
| 03:09.50 | AnduinLothar | i don't even have any credit line.. i just use my visa check card strait out of my checking account |
| 03:10.08 | AnduinLothar | tho i should get credit just to build it up |
| 03:11.03 | AnduinLothar | problem with credit is that i have to keep track of it. check card i can go look online later that day and the transaction will be there |
| 03:30.01 | Elviso | yeah AnduinLothar, only 1 place here takes credit/debit for delivery |
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| 03:36.17 | Kirov | evening |
| 03:36.37 | Elviso | hello |
| 03:37.09 | Cairenn | hi Kirov |
| 03:45.29 | Cairenn | cladhaire: you there? |
| 03:45.40 | cladhaire | certainly =) |
| 03:45.50 | Cairenn | hotel recommendations? |
| 03:45.59 | Cairenn | the Embassy is all booked up for tomorrow night |
| 03:46.08 | Cairenn | :( |
| 03:46.22 | cladhaire | There are a ton is there anything you want to be close to? Are you looking for something nicer, or just a decent hotel? |
| 03:46.30 | Cairenn | decent hotel |
| 03:46.45 | Cairenn | I mean, I can do the lookup on the web, but figured a local would be a better way ;) |
| 03:46.45 | cladhaire | let me look quick |
| 03:46.50 | Cairenn | bah, don't |
| 03:46.54 | cladhaire | anything you wanto be close to? |
| 03:46.58 | cladhaire | no, i just need to get phone numbers =) |
| 03:47.05 | Cairenn | hot topic/boom babies ;) |
| 03:47.59 | cladhaire | Candlewood Suites is right off 81 in Mattydale |
| 03:48.14 | Cairenn | I just remember how nice Embassy was that one time we got stuck there in a blizzard |
| 03:48.16 | cladhaire | Other than that I can put you on 7th North street which is up close to the mall as well |
| 03:48.40 | Cairenn | what's on 7th North? |
| 03:48.57 | cladhaire | there should be a nice holiday inn i think it is. used to be a sheraton |
| 03:49.02 | Cairenn | ah |
| 03:49.21 | Cairenn | Candlewood is nice? |
| 03:49.44 | Cairenn | anything right off the 81 is very handy, obviously |
| 03:49.47 | cladhaire | i liked it the one time i stayed there. |
| 03:49.59 | Cairenn | okay, thanks ;) |
| 03:50.16 | Cairenn | was just looking for recommendations as much as anything |
| 03:50.18 | cladhaire | http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/cw/1/en/ha/syrsb |
| 03:50.44 | cladhaire | tends to be more of a long stay hotel, but I believe they have regular rooms as well, its a good location too |
| 03:51.38 | cladhaire | http://local.google.com/local?f=q&hl=en&sll=43.120407,-76.142163&sspn=0.014221,0.029268&q=hotel+7th+north+street&latlng=43120407,-76142163,12554126120418521522 |
| 03:51.42 | cladhaire | that's very nice and solid too =) |
| 03:52.39 | Cairenn | thanks hun :) |
| 03:53.33 | cladhaire | no problem at all |
| 03:53.39 | cladhaire | how long are you planning to stay for? |
| 03:53.44 | Cairenn | just overnight |
| 03:53.49 | Cairenn | coming back up on Sunday |
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| 03:54.37 | cladhaire | just a outfit purchasing excursion or will you have a visitor?> |
| 03:55.04 | Cairenn | I don't know, think we can ditch your boyfriend? ;) |
| 03:56.24 | cladhaire | why do we need to ditch him? |
| 03:56.35 | Kalroth | kinky! |
| 03:56.36 | Wobin_ | She's got the hotel booked already =) |
| 03:56.59 | Cairenn | well, I wasn't sure if he'd want to play too or if he'd just get jealous ;) |
| 03:57.01 | Wobin_ | Cairenn: You'll need to order the bigger bed =) |
| 03:57.16 | cladhaire | Wobin_: Are you saying I have a fat ass? |
| 03:57.23 | Cairenn | what do you mean order the bigger bed? you don't think king size is large enough? |
| 03:57.26 | Wobin_ | For three people? Most beds are too small =P |
| 03:57.43 | cladhaire | four if i have anything to say about it *wink* =) |
| 03:57.57 | Tain | Damn and I didn't get an invitation. |
| 03:57.58 | Cairenn | depends on how ... cozy ... you intend to be ;) |
| 03:58.10 | Wobin_ | You don't want to have the 'little one said roll over' syndrome =( |
| 03:58.15 | Wobin_ | Falling out of bed hurts =( |
| 03:58.26 | Wobin_ | anyway, I'm off to lunch =P |
| 03:58.34 | Cairenn | later Wobin_ |
| 03:58.47 | Cairenn | cladhaire: four? who's the fourth? |
| 03:59.06 | cladhaire | we can find someone |
| 03:59.10 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:00.47 | Cairenn | I've booked in at the Candlewood |
| 04:01.33 | cladhaire | nice =) |
| 04:01.42 | Cairenn | will try it out, see what we think of it |
| 04:01.53 | cladhaire | i hope its to your likigs. |
| 04:01.55 | Cairenn | Kalroth: *chuckle* |
| 04:06.16 | *** join/#wowi-lounge slouken (n=Sam@ip68-5-42-243.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 04:06.24 | Cairenn | yo slouken |
| 04:06.30 | slouken | yo. :) |
| 04:06.34 | Kalroth | gidday mate! |
| 04:06.50 | slouken | diggeday! |
| 04:08.00 | Iriel | Hey slouken! Happy friday! |
| 04:08.10 | slouken | Thanks Iriel, you too! |
| 04:08.24 | Tain | That reminds me, I forgot to save that savevar that was causing my client to crash every reload. Damn. |
| 04:08.53 | Cairenn | slouken: would that be didgeridoo? |
| 04:09.07 | Kalroth | roo, not doo |
| 04:09.14 | Kalroth | you need a roo in every sentence |
| 04:09.37 | Cairenn | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=didgeridoo |
| 04:10.05 | Kalroth | oh, so that's the name |
| 04:10.16 | Kalroth | I always refer to it as the big tube thingy |
| 04:10.17 | Cairenn | yeah ... you didn't know that? |
| 04:10.31 | slouken | I love the sound of the didgeridoo. :) |
| 04:10.41 | Kalroth | I don't use the word often enough to warrent it being a part of my vocabulary :) |
| 04:10.43 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 04:11.01 | Kirov | digeridoos are awesome |
| 04:11.59 | Kirov | they're like a big kazoo |
| 04:12.09 | Kirov | Only not dorky |
| 04:12.29 | Kirov | (or, "less" dorky) |
| 04:12.43 | Cairenn | <== weirdo, or something ... I know the names of funky instruments |
| 04:13.22 | Kalroth | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1584585318936480380 :D |
| 04:14.04 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:14.25 | Cairenn | I think those are one of hte coolest instruments |
| 04:15.14 | slouken | Wow, soo cool. :) |
| 04:16.35 | Kalroth | not to mention; "No officer, it's not a bong, it's a didgeridoo." |
| 04:16.45 | Elviso | lol Kalroth |
| 04:16.47 | Kalroth | perfect cover! |
| 04:16.51 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 04:17.20 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 04:18.02 | slouken | lol |
| 04:18.27 | Kirov | Before I start plunging in to this, does anyone know if I can hook on the OnShow OnHide handlers for a button's highlight texture to do stuff? |
| 04:20.12 | Elviso | "Also, Patch 1.11 has some great interface improvements coming. More info on that later." |
| 04:20.16 | Elviso | Is it later yet? :) |
| 04:20.42 | Kirov | More to the point, do the handlers get called when the texture is hidden / shown normally |
| 04:21.56 | slouken | Where's that quote from, Elviso? |
| 04:22.12 | Tain | It depends on exactly what you're talking about. Sometiems the texture is only shown by the parent and doesn't get called itself to change again. |
| 04:22.17 | Elviso | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-dungeons&t=485094&p=1&tmp=1#post485094 |
| 04:22.33 | Kalroth | uh oh, Tigole is going to get a slouken beating now |
| 04:22.38 | Elviso | heheh |
| 04:22.52 | slouken | No, I don't actually kn.. oh yeah |
| 04:22.55 | slouken | heheh |
| 04:23.05 | slouken | It's not later yet. :) |
| 04:23.11 | Elviso | DOH! |
| 04:23.14 | cladhaire | the raid resetting UI is one we know about, hopefully that makes 1.11 |
| 04:23.37 | cladhaire | s/raid/instance |
| 04:23.41 | slouken | brb (baby bedtime) |
| 04:23.45 | cladhaire | damnit.. lol |
| 04:24.17 | Elviso | I thought of that, but I wasn't sure because I thought I read something about that coming in the expansion |
| 04:24.23 | Kirov | slouken threw his "get of out answering questions for free" card |
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| 04:24.50 | cladhaire | Elviso: Yeah, its all I can think of *shrug* maybe its something CRAZY tho =) |
| 04:25.37 | Elviso | At first I thought of the LFG solution, but then I realized it was Tigole posting in the R&D forums, so it made me think again |
| 04:25.44 | Elviso | so at this point I have no clue |
| 04:25.48 | cladhaire | yeah, thats the second thing i thought of |
| 04:25.51 | cladhaire | oh well, i like presents =) |
| 04:26.42 | Elviso | I like presents too, just not surprises :P |
| 04:27.01 | Kirov | Elviso - you send ugly people to ask your relatives? |
| 04:27.10 | Elviso | lol |
| 04:27.58 | Kalroth | "G'day Mrs Smith. My name is Agent Olson. I'll need to know what's in those packages." |
| 04:30.13 | Elviso | considering how much my mom's side of the family likes to gab, that probably would've worked |
| 04:30.47 | Elviso | not sure if they would've had to of watched the home movies before or after, though |
| 04:32.33 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Tem@adsl-33-199-100.lft.bellsouth.net) |
| 04:32.56 | Kalroth | Elviso: They aren't leaving without at least one copy of the home videos though! |
| 04:33.18 | Elviso | I see they've gotten to you! |
| 04:33.35 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 04:33.41 | Cairenn | I'll call when I hit town |
| 04:33.51 | slouken | which town? |
| 04:34.00 | Cairenn | Syracuse |
| 04:34.28 | Cairenn | taking kiddo cross-border shopping tomorrow, looking for dresses for prom and year end recital |
| 04:34.35 | Kirov | Syracuse NY? |
| 04:34.38 | Cairenn | aye |
| 04:34.38 | Kalroth | Syracuse? That's pretty close to me, only a 11 hour flight and 1 hour drive, maybe I'll drop by! |
| 04:34.47 | Kirov | I was born in Syracuse |
| 04:34.52 | Cairenn | Kalroth: you really want in on that orgy, don't you? |
| 04:35.00 | Kalroth | Cairenn: Yes Ma'am. |
| 04:35.21 | Tem | I'd settle for getting to meet Cair and clad in person |
| 04:35.31 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:35.32 | slouken | Cool. :) |
| 04:36.13 | Kalroth | Added bonus is that I can talk about WoW stuff afterwards! |
| 04:36.16 | Tem | oh hey slouken |
| 04:36.19 | Tem | didn't see you htere |
| 04:36.26 | Cairenn | Kalroth: ;) |
| 04:36.29 | Tem | nice work yesterday |
| 04:36.30 | Kalroth | He's a sneaky bastard |
| 04:36.45 | Elviso | Kalroth, pretty sure talking about WoW outside of WoW is pretty....oh wait, nm heh |
| 04:36.46 | Tem | nah, his name is just kinda bright green so I couldn't read it |
| 04:37.02 | Kalroth | Elviso: You'd be surprised .. :) |
| 04:37.42 | Kalroth | I was in a meeting at work yesterday, started out with deadline whining, ended up with me explaining my boss how to do the Majordomo encounter .. :P |
| 04:37.54 | Tem | ... lol |
| 04:38.06 | Tem | does your boss play wow? |
| 04:38.16 | Kalroth | he tries :p |
| 04:38.32 | Tem | ok, at least there is a conceivable way it could come up |
| 04:38.45 | Elviso | that's good, so long as you weren't trying to relate it to customer relations or something |
| 04:39.25 | Tem | that's totally what I was thinking |
| 04:39.40 | Kalroth | Actually I'm pretty sure that some of our customers could be compared to Vaelastrasz on a good day. |
| 04:39.44 | Cairenn | totally |
| 04:39.57 | Cairenn | ') |
| 04:40.00 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 04:40.55 | Tem | RUN MORTALS |
| 04:41.11 | Tem | FLEE |
| 04:41.29 | Osagasu | o.O |
| 04:41.30 | Tem | ok, hmm. |
| 04:41.32 | Elviso | aww you scared him off, lol |
| 04:41.46 | Cairenn | meh, doesn't take much to scare slouken off |
| 04:41.48 | Elviso | he's like "wow they're NUTS" |
| 04:42.26 | Cairenn | oh, he already knew that |
| 04:42.28 | Osagasu | Wait, wrong macro... |
| 04:42.32 | Kalroth | the best part about Vaelastrasz is that he's sorry everytime he ganks someone |
| 04:43.06 | Tem | If you were expressing a mathmatical expression as a tree, would you implement binary operators as an abstract superclass with each different operator type extending it or one single binomial operator class that has a field to determine it's behavior? |
| 04:43.22 | Iriel | the former |
| 04:43.29 | Iriel | at least, that's how I did it last time I had to |
| 04:43.30 | Tem | s/binomial/binary/ |
| 04:44.00 | Tem | the former does make more sense to me |
| 04:44.05 | slouken | ~orgy |
| 04:44.07 | purl | ACTION straps on his jimmy hat to preform oral sex on all the channel. |
| 04:44.18 | Cairenn | ! |
| 04:44.19 | Osagasu | Hrm... HonorFu's PvP Cooldown doesn't update on the bar |
| 04:44.22 | slouken | okay, who programmed the bot to be fully functional in all respects? |
| 04:44.35 | Kalroth | haha |
| 04:44.38 | Tem | TinRiker |
| 04:44.40 | Osagasu | ~literal orgy |
| 04:44.41 | purl | "orgy" is "<action> straps on his jimmy hat to preform oral sex on all the channel." |
| 04:44.42 | Tem | Tim* |
| 04:44.48 | Osagasu | ~info orgy |
| 04:44.53 | Tem | ~timriker |
| 04:44.58 | purl | [timriker] my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy. |
| 04:44.58 | Osagasu | oops. |
| 04:45.24 | Osagasu | There's a command that shows the last editor of a command |
| 04:45.29 | Osagasu | I can't remember it |
| 04:45.43 | slouken | ~cairenn |
| 04:45.45 | purl | from memory, cairenn is one of the administrators of WoWInterface.com, also EQInterface, EQ2Interface and VGInterface |
| 04:45.45 | Tem | yeah, I always have issues remembering that one too |
| 04:45.53 | slouken | ~tem |
| 04:45.54 | purl | I wonder what Tem is breaking now... |
| 04:45.54 | Kalroth | scary bot |
| 04:45.57 | slouken | lol |
| 04:45.59 | Tem | ~factinfo orgy |
| 04:45.59 | purl | orgy -- last modified at Thu Jan 29 22:43:42 2004 by Death_Barrel!clx@gss-tech.com; it has been requested 3 times, last by slouken, 1m 52s ago. |
| 04:46.11 | Tem | ~factinfo tem |
| 04:46.11 | purl | tem -- last modified at Mon Dec 5 19:29:22 2005 by Esamynn!n=jbcc@d207-216-176-153.bchsia.telus.net; it has been requested 10 times, last by slouken, 17s ago. |
| 04:46.13 | Osagasu | whoever that is |
| 04:46.14 | slouken | only three times? ;-) |
| 04:46.20 | Osagasu | hrm |
| 04:46.27 | Osagasu | we must fix that |
| 04:46.34 | Osagasu | but first... |
| 04:47.12 | Osagasu | I'm going to lapse into a moment of teenage maledom. |
| 04:47.55 | Osagasu | I would if I could figure out how to chance the emote |
| 04:47.58 | Osagasu | *change |
| 04:48.00 | Osagasu | :P |
| 04:48.03 | Tem | which emote? |
| 04:48.10 | Tem | ~emulate cair |
| 04:48.11 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 04:48.20 | Osagasu | ~literal emulate cair |
| 04:48.22 | purl | "emulate cair" is "<reply> see emulate cairenn" |
| 04:48.27 | Osagasu | ~literal emulate cairenn |
| 04:48.29 | purl | "emulate cairenn" is "<action> purrs" |
| 04:48.40 | Osagasu | there's no more? |
| 04:48.51 | Osagasu | "like, TOTALLY!" needs to be there too |
| 04:48.57 | Tem | lol |
| 04:49.00 | Cairenn | Osagasu: no, no it doesn't |
| 04:49.14 | Osagasu | Oh gods |
| 04:49.21 | Osagasu | this has turned into a furry channel |
| 04:49.30 | slouken | Oops, left on the cayenn pepper, sorry! |
| 04:49.33 | Kalroth | Osagasu: what do you mean by has? |
| 04:49.42 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:50.46 | Cairenn | noooo |
| 04:50.50 | Tem | Iriel: then did you use a massive conditional block to instantiate the operator classes or set of factory objects mapped to the operator tokens? |
| 04:51.22 | Iriel | I think it was a factory method |
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| 04:51.32 | Tem | that's what I'm tempted to do |
| 04:51.39 | Tem | but it's so overkill for this project... |
| 04:51.40 | Osagasu | *cross |
| 04:51.43 | Iriel | my tokens were all type 'Token' with their identity as a field |
| 04:53.02 | Tem | The handout suggests one class with an enum for each operator which sort of makes my insides crawl |
| 04:53.44 | Osagasu | yes, I know Paladins can't off-hand. |
| 04:53.44 | Tem | silly pallies |
| 04:54.49 | Tem | you guys see that clip from Reno 911? |
| 04:54.55 | Cairenn | hehehhehee |
| 04:55.13 | Cairenn | Kiddo here going "Oh gods, it's the boots of escaping!" |
| 04:55.22 | Cairenn | yes, we've seen the clip |
| 04:55.27 | Tem | good stuff |
| 04:56.00 | Tem | Tem is going to stop doing emotes |
| 04:56.03 | Cairenn | lol, have the link Tem? |
| 04:56.13 | Tem | Tem does not, but he will find it. |
| 04:56.28 | Cairenn | Cairenn will be glad of that |
| 04:56.34 | Cairenn | Cairenn hasn't seen it in a while |
| 04:56.51 | Tem | Tem thinks he's found it |
| 04:56.56 | slouken | brb, more baby bedtime |
| 04:57.04 | Tem | http://www.rpgmp3.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=52 |
| 04:57.04 | Osagasu | From furry to cave people... please make up your minds |
| 04:57.16 | Kalroth | Furry cave people?! |
| 04:57.37 | Cairenn | Cairenn minds her makeup |
| 04:58.01 | Cairenn | ! |
| 04:58.31 | Osagasu | I've had to take to keeping a spray bottle at my desk to keep my younger cat from keeping my older one from sleeping |
| 04:58.45 | Osagasu | or clawing my furniture |
| 04:58.48 | Osagasu | or clawing me... |
| 04:59.03 | Osagasu | or trying to tear down my windowblinds... |
| 04:59.42 | Osagasu | well, you get the picture |
| 05:00.04 | Kalroth | is it a male cat? |
| 05:00.25 | Osagasu | Well he *was* |
| 05:00.33 | Kalroth | >< |
| 05:00.55 | Osagasu | unfortunately he hasn't quite figured out he has no balls left. |
| 05:01.09 | Kalroth | Yeah, like most married men |
| 05:01.19 | slouken | :-P |
| 05:01.42 | Osagasu | I'm never getting married |
| 05:01.44 | Kalroth | oops, didn't see you there, slouken :P |
| 05:03.07 | Osagasu | Don't say "Oh you will, too" Marrige is mainly Christian. which I'm not. |
| 05:06.13 | Osagasu | But hell, I ain't got the balls anyways. I'm such a self-pitying pansy. :P |
| 05:18.24 | Tem | is it not possible to have a package within a package? |
| 05:18.46 | Tem | (in java) |
| 05:18.53 | Iriel | define within? |
| 05:19.07 | Tem | stupid eclipse won't let me |
| 05:19.09 | Iriel | You can have org.iriel.stuff and org.iriel.stuff.more |
| 05:19.26 | Tem | does just putting a . in the name do it? |
| 05:29.23 | Iriel | into a package name, possibly, I dont use eclipse though |
| 05:31.48 | Kirov | What's the name of a button's highlight texture? |
| 05:31.56 | Kirov | is it $parentHighlight"? |
| 05:31.57 | Tem | Kirov: it's whatever name you gave it |
| 05:32.09 | Tem | but most commonly $parentHighlight |
| 05:32.09 | Kirov | ah! |
| 05:32.33 | Kirov | me stupid |
| 05:32.36 | Kirov | didn't give it name |
| 05:32.57 | Tem | if you have guess which texture it is, use GetRegions and chose the texture who's layer is "HIGHLIGHT" |
| 05:33.19 | Tem | oh, heh |
| 05:33.24 | Tem | well that will do it |
| 05:33.40 | Tem | Iriel: perhaps it's me just not completely understanding the package system |
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| 05:37.04 | Tem | Iriel: I blame eclipse. it's display was screwing with my brain |
| 05:37.50 | Tem | looking at the tree view, it shows all my packages on the same 'level' even though some are subpackages of others |
| 05:38.19 | Tem | which is what confused me |
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| 05:38.30 | Iriel | Yeah, there's no real 'inheritance structure' between packages |
| 05:40.39 | ckknight | is it possible to clear one point from a frame? |
| 05:40.41 | ckknight | instead of all points? |
| 05:41.06 | Tem | are you going to do anything with that point afterwards? |
| 05:41.37 | Tem | calling SetPoint on a point that has already been set just overrides the previous |
| 05:41.56 | ckknight | I want to nil it |
| 05:41.58 | Tem | but if you just need to clear one, you could implement a "ClearPoint" method |
| 05:42.08 | Tem | using GetNumPoints and GetPoint |
| 05:42.24 | ckknight | and then I'd have to clear all, then set em back? |
| 05:42.28 | Tem | yeah |
| 05:42.30 | ckknight | no thanks |
| 05:42.33 | Tem | heh |
| 05:42.36 | Kirov | :SetPoint("TOP") doesn't work? |
| 05:42.41 | Tem | no |
| 05:42.46 | Kirov | errors? |
| 05:42.49 | Tem | that throws a usage error |
| 05:43.02 | Tem | even though the usage text says that one is legal |
| 05:43.27 | Tem | if it *did* work, it would be equivilant to SetPoint("TOP","$parent","TOP",0,0) |
| 05:44.20 | Tem | ckknight: I'm afraid clearing all and reseting is your best option if clearing one point is the only solution to whatever problem you are trying to solve |
| 05:44.36 | ckknight | it's okay, I only had two points anyway |
| 05:44.41 | ckknight | I just clear one then set the other |
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| 05:45.06 | Tem | what are you messing with? |
| 05:45.48 | ckknight | TabletLib |
| 05:47.38 | Tem | which one is that? |
| 05:47.48 | Tem | tooltip? |
| 05:47.50 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:48.05 | ckknight | working on optimizing it |
| 05:48.07 | Tem | gonna make them anchor nicely, or am I going to have to do that one? |
| 05:49.07 | ckknight | they already do that |
| 05:49.20 | ckknight | I'm messing with internals |
| 05:49.29 | ckknight | working on optimizing it, currently |
| 05:49.38 | ckknight | I've so far gotten about 200% more efficient |
| 05:50.29 | Tem | oh, you got them to always anchor to TOP and BOTTOM? |
| 05:50.38 | Tem | or do you define "nicely" differently than me? |
| 05:51.28 | ckknight | you provide the points |
| 05:51.34 | ckknight | in the register statement |
| 05:51.43 | ckknight | otherwise it tries to figure out manually |
| 05:51.51 | Tem | ah |
| 05:52.02 | Tem | I haven't had time to look at the internals yet |
| 05:52.10 | ckknight | it's messy currently |
| 05:52.14 | ckknight | I'm reworking it |
| 05:52.25 | Tem | now that I've noticed the placement isn't consistent it's diving me nuts |
| 05:52.55 | Tem | so, you're saying that's a fault of the plugins? |
| 05:53.58 | ckknight | FuBar's fault |
| 05:54.04 | ckknight | plugins don't deal with that stuff |
| 05:54.20 | ckknight | what's bothering you, now? |
| 05:57.13 | Tem | The tooltips are sometimes centered under/above their plugin and sometimes not |
| 05:58.07 | Tem | and that inconsistency is playing with my neurotic brain |
| 05:58.41 | ckknight | I don't see it |
| 05:58.45 | ckknight | oh |
| 05:58.46 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:58.48 | Tem | with the tooltip headings centered, it seems natural to me that the tooltip itself be centered above/below it's plugin |
| 05:58.58 | ckknight | but that's only if they're inside the center 1/3 of the screen |
| 05:59.05 | Tem | something like that |
| 05:59.29 | Tem | the tooltips seem to bias based on the plugin's screen position |
| 05:59.40 | Tem | which is cool to prevent it from going off screen |
| 06:03.03 | zespri | is it possible to paste a chat log to a wiki and preserv normal lie breaks, os wiki doesn't put it as one long line? |
| 06:03.21 | Tem | what type of chat log? |
| 06:03.54 | Tem | it might be the type of line break in the chatlog as well |
| 06:04.13 | Tem | ie chatlog has unix line breaks wiki expects dos |
| 06:04.21 | zespri | any. I copied something from mirc and pasted it to a wiki edit page. and it all displayed as a long single line |
| 06:04.37 | zespri | huh? |
| 06:04.39 | Iriel | try pasting into wordpad |
| 06:04.44 | Tem | yeah |
| 06:06.00 | zespri | No, even if I don't paste, even if I just type two separate lines wiki displays it as one if I type |
| 06:06.00 | zespri | a |
| 06:06.01 | zespri | b |
| 06:06.08 | zespri | it will get displayed as |
| 06:06.09 | zespri | a b |
| 06:07.20 | Cairenn | night all |
| 06:10.23 | Tem | later Cair |
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| 06:39.03 | Tem | hmm |
| 06:39.11 | Tem | Unary Operators |
| 06:39.25 | Tem | are they *always* higher priorty than binary operators? |
| 06:39.39 | Iriel | Generally |
| 06:39.43 | Iriel | There's only one, isn't there? |
| 06:39.47 | Tem | yeah |
| 06:39.52 | Iriel | oh, no, not and minus |
| 06:39.52 | Tem | but I'm stupidly paranoid |
| 06:40.01 | Iriel | it varies by language/convention |
| 06:40.05 | Iriel | steal lua's precedence order |
| 06:40.05 | Tem | ah yes, I forgot about not |
| 06:40.05 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 06:40.13 | Iriel | unless your homework tells you a different one |
| 06:40.15 | Tem | but there is no not |
| 06:40.17 | Iriel | but if you're just doing 'math' |
| 06:40.25 | Iriel | then yes, unary minus is the highest precedence |
| 06:40.34 | Tem | to simplify it "~" is unary minus |
| 06:41.27 | Tem | stupid postfix... |
| 06:42.04 | Tem | got any insite to why with binary operators the top of the stack is the 'right' operand and the next down is the 'left'? |
| 06:42.17 | Tem | s/insite/insight/ |
| 06:42.32 | Tem | or is that just convention as well? |
| 06:43.57 | Tem | is there any way to refer to the current class in a static method? |
| 06:44.06 | Tem | (not the current object, the current class) |
| 06:44.09 | Iriel | by name |
| 06:44.11 | Iriel | it's an irritation |
| 06:44.16 | Iriel | maybe java 5 fixed ir |
| 06:44.24 | Tem | bleh |
| 06:44.39 | Tem | I wanted to put my registration code in the superclass |
| 06:44.48 | ckknight | static methods aren't attached to objects |
| 06:44.54 | Tem | no, they aren't |
| 06:45.02 | Tem | but they are attactched a class type |
| 06:45.03 | ckknight | oh |
| 06:45.04 | ckknight | misread |
| 06:45.07 | Tem | yeah |
| 06:45.07 | ckknight | yea |
| 06:45.21 | ckknight | I don't think there's a way to refer to the class without putting the full name |
| 06:45.48 | Tem | oh, I'll just declare the factories at the lower level. that will make things easier |
| 06:46.03 | Tem | shorten it a bit anyway |
| 06:50.11 | Iriel | I suspect it's because 1 + 2 is 1 2 + (2 is on top of the stack) |
| 06:54.43 | ckknight | write a language that uses RPN by default |
| 06:54.44 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 06:55.15 | ckknight | (Reverse Polish Notation, for those who don't know) |
| 06:55.20 | Tem | Iriel: yes that's what I mean |
| 06:55.22 | Iriel | forth, it already exists |
| 06:55.27 | Iriel | postscript (based on forth) |
| 06:55.35 | Tem | it just annoys me |
| 06:55.41 | ckknight | Lisp is Polish Notation |
| 06:55.49 | ckknight | you get used to it |
| 06:56.04 | Tem | I keep having to remind myself to pop into the right operand instead of the the left |
| 06:56.11 | Tem | (first) |
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| 07:04.01 | AnduinLothar | i'm out, night guys |
| 07:04.10 | ckknight | cya |
| 07:06.12 | Iriel | cya |
| 07:16.56 | Tem | why are 'static' and 'abstract' mutually exclusive? |
| 07:17.48 | Tem | or, if my previous statement is false, why do they seem to be mutually exclusive to me? |
| 07:18.14 | ckknight | do you mean static/abstract classes or methods? |
| 07:18.17 | Iriel | They have to be |
| 07:18.21 | Iriel | abstract means it'd be overriden |
| 07:18.24 | Tem | methods |
| 07:18.25 | Iriel | but you dont override static methods |
| 07:18.30 | Tem | why not? |
| 07:18.39 | ckknight | cause static methods are tied to a class |
| 07:19.00 | ckknight | not an object |
| 07:19.11 | Tem | I have an abstract method that it's implementation never has anything to do with the instance |
| 07:19.26 | ckknight | so static methods of a subclass have to access the parent class's, they don't inherit |
| 07:19.43 | ckknight | then maybe it should just be static? |
| 07:20.00 | Tem | yeah, I guess that's fine |
| 07:20.09 | Tem | well, no |
| 07:20.10 | ckknight | abstract has to be overwritten to be usable, static can't be overridden |
| 07:20.15 | ckknight | thus, mutually exclusive |
| 07:20.20 | ckknight | at least as far as methods go |
| 07:20.29 | Tem | oh, I didn't realize static couldn't be overridden |
| 07:20.37 | Tem | that explains the conflict |
| 07:20.41 | ckknight | it doesn't make sense for them to be |
| 07:21.09 | Tem | meh screw it |
| 07:21.13 | Tem | it will be an instance method |
| 07:21.18 | Tem | I don't care that much |
| 07:23.45 | Miravlix_ | C run, C stack run, C stack run, C stack overflow |
| 07:29.33 | ckknight | lol |
| 07:32.10 | Miravlix_ | Hmm, I guess you check previsely how big Wow's stack is this way. |
| 07:32.18 | Miravlix_ | could check, even |
| 07:38.54 | ckknight | is there any way to do something like SetTexCoord but with a backdrop? |
| 07:39.54 | Kirov | background you mean? |
| 07:40.05 | Kirov | not that I know of |
| 07:42.27 | ckknight | blast |
| 07:42.42 | ckknight | I want to get FuBar to do intelligent tiling across panels |
| 07:42.46 | ckknight | so that they merge nicely together |
| 07:42.54 | ckknight | and such |
| 07:42.59 | ckknight | without stretching |
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| 08:07.12 | Kirov | do font strings have any working script handlers beyond the normal frame ones? |
| 08:07.31 | Iriel | they dont have any |
| 08:07.38 | Iriel | they're not frames, they're frame regions |
| 08:08.38 | Kirov | not even onupdate? |
| 08:08.57 | Iriel | right |
| 08:23.06 | Tem | Iriel: http://wow.pastebin.com/688290 |
| 08:23.29 | Tem | Iriel: how can I change that so that new A().print() prints 1 instead of 0? |
| 08:30.23 | Iriel | Are you trying to change the original i? |
| 08:30.32 | Iriel | Or print the subclass one? |
| 08:30.37 | Tem | print the subclass one |
| 08:30.52 | Iriel | override print, or add protected int getI() |
| 08:31.24 | Tem | I was hoping there was a different way :( |
| 08:31.28 | Tem | oh well, thanks |
| 08:31.58 | Iriel | How? subclasses see their superclass |
| 08:32.03 | Iriel | but it doesn't work the other way around |
| 08:32.11 | Iriel | why do you need three i's anyway? |
| 08:32.34 | Tem | I don't |
| 08:32.39 | Tem | that was a contrived example |
| 08:34.33 | Tem | I rolled an eighteen and he failed his saving throw |
| 08:34.38 | Tem | >< |
| 08:35.19 | Tem | greated episode of Reno911 *ever* |
| 08:37.49 | ckknight | okay, I have a fontstring that looks like "Asd...", it it attached on only one point, width was set to 0 (so expands). Why the hell is it giving me ellipses? |
| 08:39.17 | ckknight | ah, nevermind |
| 08:39.30 | Tem | ID-TEN-T error? |
| 08:39.41 | ckknight | no, I reset the point at a later point in code |
| 08:39.47 | Tem | oh, heh |
| 08:40.37 | Kirov | Sounds like an ID ten-T error to me, or at least a similar PEBKAC issue |
| 08:41.02 | Tem | oh crap, PEBKAC |
| 08:41.20 | Tem | anyone know of any good free Parental Control software? |
| 08:42.33 | Kirov | nope |
| 08:43.35 | Tem | oh well |
| 08:43.37 | Tem | not my money |
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| 08:50.13 | Stylpe | Hi, is ckknight around? |
| 08:50.34 | ckknight | sure am |
| 08:50.42 | ckknight | I did some cool tooltip stuff for you |
| 08:51.03 | Stylpe | Did you say Tablet supports sub-categories now, or was that just indentation? |
| 08:51.23 | ckknight | sub categories and indentation |
| 08:51.25 | ckknight | all fully supported |
| 08:51.33 | ckknight | I totally rehashed the code |
| 08:51.34 | Stylpe | Ok, because I can't get it to work =P |
| 08:51.37 | ckknight | it's much more efficient now |
| 08:51.44 | Stylpe | Wow, you did that for me? |
| 08:51.50 | ckknight | not just for you |
| 08:51.52 | Stylpe | =P |
| 08:51.57 | ckknight | got the latest version? |
| 08:52.04 | Stylpe | I think, hold on |
| 08:52.06 | ckknight | (from SVN) |
| 08:52.46 | Stylpe | Ah, no =) |
| 08:53.03 | Stylpe | I'll have to install ortoiseSVN first |
| 08:53.10 | Stylpe | *TortoiseSVN |
| 08:53.34 | ckknight | yep |
| 08:53.39 | ckknight | as a developer, you should have SVN anyway |
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| 08:54.12 | ckknight | hey Qaarh |
| 08:54.14 | ckknight | how's it going? |
| 08:54.30 | Stylpe | I formatted not too long ago |
| 08:54.38 | Stylpe | and I rarely use it |
| 08:54.41 | Qaarh | ah, I just woke up. so far so good |
| 08:54.43 | Stylpe | Maybe I should start to... |
| 09:00.13 | Stylpe | BAH, have to restart to use TortoiseSVN =( |
| 09:03.53 | Iriel | So, Tem, for your i thing, I suspect what you were most after would normally be done by using a getI() method, and keeping the print in the superclass |
| 09:04.28 | Iriel | OR, putting a setI(int) method in the superclass |
| 09:04.30 | Tem | Iriel: yes, but the whole reason I was going after it was moot |
| 09:04.38 | Iriel | having all those intermediate i's is a bit redundant |
| 09:05.08 | Tem | and now I'm in the middle of overcomplicating my OperatorFactory |
| 09:05.34 | Tem | Generics are so much more clean in java than C++'s templates... |
| 09:05.41 | Tem | but holy crap I've got a tangled mess going... |
| 09:08.58 | Kirov | Is there a fixed version of IEF? |
| 09:10.58 | Iriel | they dont have the chain of C backward compatibility holding them down |
| 09:10.58 | Kirov | I'm assuming Cosmos's version is fixed. |
| 09:10.58 | Tem | no idea Kirov, sorry |
| 09:10.58 | Tem | Iriel: because I'm retarded, this is the way I've set it up |
| 09:10.59 | Tem | An OperatorFactory class that operators register with |
| 09:10.59 | Tem | giving it the token that represents them |
| 09:10.59 | Tem | and a class that implements a factory interface |
| 09:10.59 | Tem | (has a public make method that returns a new instance of the class) |
| 09:10.59 | Tem | that works OK, but I was hoping to simplify the registration call by using generics |
| 09:10.59 | Tem | so that the registration method itself could generate the class implementing the factory interface |
| 09:12.21 | Iriel | What do operators need to construct themselves? |
| 09:12.29 | Iriel | Or are they singletons? |
| 09:12.46 | Tem | they aren't singletons |
| 09:13.12 | Tem | The operators are nodes in my tree structure |
| 09:13.24 | zespri | Kirov, what is the bug? |
| 09:13.57 | Tem | I wanted an "easy" way to get an instance of the right operator class given only the token that represents it |
| 09:14.10 | Kirov | zespri - fontstrings weren't wrapping |
| 09:14.25 | Tem | isn't that a game bug introduced in 1.10? |
| 09:15.00 | Iriel | I'd probably have renamed OperatorFactory as OperatorTokenFactory, and then declared an OperatorFactory interface with a createOperator method |
| 09:15.15 | Kirov | got the latest from Comsos, fixed it |
| 09:15.23 | Iriel | Then instead of each operator registering itself, each operator has a static inner class that implements OperatorFactory, and registers THAT with the token |
| 09:16.06 | Kirov | hmm |
| 09:17.14 | Tem | my stumbling block has been creating the instance of the class |
| 09:17.37 | Kirov | There's no way to change the sort order of textures in a frame in lua, is there |
| 09:17.48 | Tem | and it annoys me to have a 5-6 line chuck of virtually word-for-word repeated code in each operator |
| 09:17.56 | Kirov | oh, set drawlayer |
| 09:18.57 | Kirov | eek |
| 09:19.04 | Kirov | >.< |
| 09:19.14 | Kirov | possible bug / annoyance |
| 09:19.39 | Kirov | if you do a SetDrawLayer on the hightlight texture of a button, it stops being recognized as the highlight texture |
| 09:20.31 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/688322 |
| 09:20.35 | Iriel | Tem: I'm thinking something like that |
| 09:22.59 | Tem | yeah, that looks almost exactly what mine looks like |
| 09:26.36 | Wobin_ | Iriel your devtools now has that layer inspector thing, yeah? |
| 09:28.03 | Tem | oh yeah, that reminds me... |
| 09:28.07 | Tem | Iriel: vdump? |
| 09:28.36 | Iriel | Tem: Sadly work has taken much of dev time away for a bit, but i'll try and sneak some vdump time in |
| 09:28.44 | Tem | mmm |
| 09:28.50 | Iriel | Wobin_ : The framestack viewer? |
| 09:28.55 | Wobin_ | yeah =) |
| 09:29.29 | Tem | that thing rapes my performance |
| 09:29.45 | Tem | nearly quarters my fps |
| 09:30.29 | Iriel | It's uglt |
| 09:30.35 | Tem | it's cool as hell |
| 09:30.37 | Iriel | It has to enumerate every frame and check its location |
| 09:30.39 | Tem | but... damn |
| 09:30.56 | Tem | it's too bad there isn't a faster way to do that |
| 09:31.10 | Wobin_ | Honestly, that bothers me not =) |
| 09:31.14 | Tem | hehe |
| 09:31.37 | Tem | it only botheres me because I wanna leave it on all the time which I know it wasn't intended for |
| 09:32.35 | Wobin_ | What does vdump do? |
| 09:32.42 | Wobin_ | (or will) |
| 09:32.49 | Iriel | http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/random/vdump2.png |
| 09:32.51 | Iriel | that |
| 09:33.19 | Wobin_ | ah, the table walker =) |
| 09:38.04 | Iriel | Ok.. sleep for me |
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| 09:49.10 | Wobin_ | Can anyone help me with understanding this XML for the inventory button? Directly under the button declaration in the XML, it has a 'size' of 37x37, but the 'NormalTexture' used has a size of 64x64 |
| 09:49.32 | Wobin_ | What is the 37x37 referring to, since I'm fairly sure the bagslots are 64x64? |
| 09:50.11 | Tem | the bag slots are 37x37 |
| 09:50.12 | Stylpe | Maybe the clickable area? |
| 09:50.43 | Wobin_ | oh. |
| 09:50.54 | Wobin_ | So what is the 64xy64 on the NormalTexture referring to? |
| 09:51.08 | Wobin_ | ah, okay |
| 09:51.10 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 09:51.29 | Tem | gimme the name and path to the texture |
| 09:52.51 | Tem | oh I think I found it |
| 09:53.17 | Tem | Interface\Buttons\UI_Quickslot |
| 09:53.21 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 09:53.25 | Tem | yeah, ok |
| 09:53.28 | Wobin_ | or QuickSlot2 |
| 09:53.31 | Tem | The texture is too big |
| 09:53.45 | Tem | gimme a sec I'll "draw" it out |
| 09:53.50 | Wobin_ | Thanks =) |
| 09:56.39 | Tem | http://wow.pastebin.com/688360 |
| 09:56.56 | Tem | the inner box is the visible part of the texture |
| 09:57.55 | Tem | so, the texture object needs to be bigger than the button object to properly display the graphic |
| 09:58.40 | Wobin_ | The texture is transparant on the edges? |
| 09:59.01 | Tem | yes |
| 09:59.12 | Wobin_ | =) Thank you =) |
| 09:59.16 | Tem | np |
| 10:04.28 | Wobin_ | Can we set the alphamode of a texture through lua? |
| 10:04.53 | Wobin_ | (ie, is the SetAlpha needing a integer or a string?) |
| 10:07.03 | Tem | yes |
| 10:07.18 | Tem | but not through SetAlpha |
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| 10:07.23 | Wobin_ | SetBlendMode? |
| 10:07.27 | Tem | that's the one |
| 10:07.30 | Wobin_ | Cool |
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| 10:09.32 | wereHamster | morning |
| 10:11.27 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 10:11.59 | Stylpe | morning |
| 10:14.46 | Wobin_ | meh |
| 10:14.53 | Wobin_ | I want an esc key next to my 1 |
| 10:15.11 | Wobin_ | Instead I have to reach up two more rows |
| 10:20.56 | Kalroth | map ESC to the key next to 1? :p |
| 10:22.04 | Wobin_ | That'd just be confusing =) |
| 10:22.11 | Wobin_ | Unless I could just do that in Vim |
| 10:22.29 | Wobin_ | (and I have absolutely no knowledge on how to go about doing so) |
| 10:25.25 | JoshBorke | ( Wobin_ ): buy a happy hacker keyboard lite2 :D |
| 10:25.37 | Wobin_ | jb: I wish =P |
| 10:27.33 | Kirov | http://www.daskeyboard.com/ |
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| 11:38.53 | Wobin_ | Whats the difference between SetFontObject and SetFont? |
| 11:39.09 | Wobin_ | Is SetFont just a bit more modifiable? |
| 11:39.28 | Wobin_ | While SetFontObject inherits directly from the speficied font? |
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| 12:00.46 | id` | Im having trouble with elkano's ItemB |
| 12:00.47 | id` | :( |
| 12:00.51 | id` | ItemDB |
| 12:00.55 | id` | DBFrame.lua:519: attempt to call method `GetCode' (a nil value) |
| 12:01.01 | id` | when i open it.. |
| 12:01.35 | id` | hm, its a KCI prob :> |
| 12:36.22 | Kaelten | pink macintosh? |
| 13:10.06 | Kalroth | kinky |
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| 13:24.35 | Kaelten | hey cair |
| 13:24.43 | Cairenn | morning kael, how goes? |
| 13:25.14 | Kaelten | playing with svn |
| 13:25.19 | Kaelten | how goes you? |
| 13:25.26 | Cairenn | it goes |
| 13:25.34 | Cairenn | today will be a good day though :) |
| 13:26.15 | Kaelten | whats up? |
| 13:27.07 | Cairenn | I'm taking my kiddo cross-border shopping for dresses for her year end recital and her prom, I'm meeting up with Clad for dinner, I'm picking hubby up from the bus, I'm staying over in a swanky hotel ... :) |
| 13:27.23 | id` | :o |
| 13:27.37 | Cairenn | it'll be a good day :) |
| 13:29.00 | Kaelten | cool |
| 13:29.08 | Cairenn | yeah :) |
| 13:29.53 | Maldivia | cross-border... sounds like quite a trip ? |
| 13:30.02 | Kaelten | I'm just going to try to take it kinda laxed doa little housework and stuff |
| 13:30.12 | Cairenn | Maldivia: border is all of 2 hrs from me ;) |
| 13:30.25 | Maldivia | which border, if I may ask ? |
| 13:30.36 | Cairenn | I'm in Ottawa, just popping down to Syracuse, nice little drive of 4 hrs |
| 13:30.46 | Cairenn | Canada/US |
| 13:30.56 | Maldivia | OK |
| 13:31.27 | Maldivia | Don't think I can be anywhere in Denmark, without being less than 4 hrs away from a border :) |
| 13:31.37 | Cairenn | I had wanted to take her shopping in NYC over spring break, but plans got messed and we didn't get to go down after all |
| 13:32.16 | Maldivia | shopping trip to NY... sounds like fun though :) |
| 13:32.31 | Cairenn | would have been, wish it could have happened |
| 13:32.50 | Cairenn | ah well, will still find stuff in Syracuse that can't be found 'round here |
| 13:34.22 | Cairenn | Kaelten: answered your question in the staff forum |
| 13:34.27 | Maldivia | probably :) - not that I know that much about buying dresses :) |
| 13:34.48 | Cairenn | nothing too good for my kiddo |
| 13:35.01 | Cairenn | especially in an important year like this one |
| 13:35.45 | Cairenn | (if you get the impression that I'm absolutely devoted to her, you'd be right) |
| 13:36.10 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 13:36.51 | Maldivia | and why did that song from Grease start playing in my head, when I read that... |
| 13:37.06 | Cairenn | which one? |
| 13:37.18 | Maldivia | hopelessly devoted to you |
| 13:37.24 | Maldivia | or what ever it's called |
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| 13:44.03 | Cairenn | ROFL - "The ACLU is going too far this time." "Why?" "Now they're trying to get the 'G' taken out of 'T.G.I.F.' " |
| 13:44.29 | id` | Anyone use WatchDog? |
| 13:44.42 | Stylp3 | I do |
| 13:44.56 | id` | Wanna share your config? :> |
| 13:45.11 | id` | wanna see how others do stuff :p |
| 13:45.51 | id` | http://pastebin.com/688569 |
| 13:47.13 | Stylp3 | Is there an easy way to export it? |
| 13:47.22 | id` | nope |
| 13:47.30 | id` | i used tinypad and c/p :P |
| 13:47.36 | id` | well i keep it in tinypad anyway |
| 13:47.42 | id` | so i can set it the same on all chars |
| 13:47.54 | id` | and/or look at it/play with it |
| 13:48.09 | id` | I might go for [left][percenthp][right][curhp]/[maxhp] |
| 13:48.11 | id` | for the hp bar :) |
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| 14:42.15 | id` | How do i change the chatframe again? |
| 14:42.18 | id` | err |
| 14:42.20 | id` | worldframe |
| 14:42.33 | id` | i have this one pixel border on the top of my screen |
| 14:42.37 | id` | it isnt drawn on |
| 14:42.43 | id` | so it flickers black/qhite |
| 14:42.50 | id` | its SO DAMN D:LKJFJKL:DSFJ:LKSDF anoying |
| 14:42.52 | id` | :p |
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| 15:03.04 | Kirkburn | id', how did it appear? |
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| 15:05.51 | cladhaire | id`: This will all be so much easier when I push out WD 2.0 |
| 15:05.55 | cladhaire | lemme get my formats. |
| 15:07.32 | cladhaire | http://ace.pastebin.com/688679 |
| 15:15.28 | Legorol | Good afternoon |
| 15:15.53 | zenzelezz | greetings |
| 15:16.13 | Legorol | I'm looking for a bit of advice from experienced sysadmins/users: I just got a new 250Gb hard disk to use as my primary one for my home computer. |
| 15:16.18 | Legorol | What's a sensible way to partition it? |
| 15:16.41 | Legorol | I plan to run Windows on it only, no need for separate Linux partition |
| 15:16.55 | Legorol | Anyone has some advice? |
| 15:17.40 | cladhaire | Legorol: Do you have a seperate hard drive? |
| 15:17.58 | cladhaire | I'd run a 40b or so for the primary (operating system) And the 250 as your storage/programs drive |
| 15:18.01 | zenzelezz | personally I divide it into C (Windows), D (games), E (programs), F (everything else)... but it's really up to you |
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| 15:18.10 | cladhaire | that way replacing the OS doesn't touch your data, etc. |
| 15:18.23 | cladhaire | beyond that, its personal preference. |
| 15:18.47 | cladhaire | but if you can get a 20-40 for your operating system, its a good idea to prevent losing everything in the case of a crash. |
| 15:19.11 | Legorol | i don't have a separate hard disk |
| 15:19.20 | Legorol | well i do but it's not going to be the primary disk |
| 15:19.25 | Legorol | it will be just extra storage space |
| 15:19.27 | zenzelezz | you need that much for Windows? I think my Windows partition is only 8GB or something, no problems |
| 15:19.43 | Legorol | zenzelezz: seems like a good system |
| 15:19.46 | cladhaire | zenzelezz: You dont need 40.. but its tough to get anything less these days =) |
| 15:19.53 | Legorol | under your system, which partition do you put the Documents and Settings folder in? |
| 15:19.58 | Legorol | where did you point My Documents? |
| 15:20.13 | Legorol | where did you point the other special folders? (My Music/My Videos etc.) |
| 15:20.18 | zenzelezz | cladhaire: oh, you mean an actual 40gb HDD, not just a partition? |
| 15:20.49 | Legorol | in case you are wondering, reason why i don't want to use the other one for primary is that i got a new SATA dsk |
| 15:20.55 | Legorol | i want the system to run from that |
| 15:20.59 | Legorol | the old one is a slow IDE disk |
| 15:21.21 | zenzelezz | I let the "my documents" folder be the standard path, and store everything I desire to keep in a custom "documents" folder (on F)... that way Windows doesn't clutter it up like it does to the My Documents folder |
| 15:21.37 | Legorol | sounds cool |
| 15:21.48 | Legorol | what about the following: Temp storage, Temporary Internet Files, etc. |
| 15:21.52 | bsodergren | i have my OS running from a pair of WD800JBs running in mirrored mode, and a pair of 250 WD SATA-II disks running in stripped for my data, with a pair of maxtor 100gb drives running in mirrored for backup :) |
| 15:21.53 | Legorol | which partition do you point them to? |
| 15:21.57 | bsodergren | all SATA |
| 15:22.03 | Tain | I hate the My Documents folder. |
| 15:22.21 | cladhaire | zenzelezz: Yeah, the point is not to partition, in case the hard drive entirely dies. |
| 15:22.26 | zenzelezz | I let those all be what they're set up as by default, they're a mess anyway |
| 15:22.31 | Legorol | Tain: since its the default place that almost all programs offer to save your stuff in, i'd rather redirect it to a place of my own choosing than to not use it at all |
| 15:22.44 | zenzelezz | cladhaire: then I see your point :) I only have one HDD |
| 15:22.52 | bsodergren | the real big problem, is gettign windows to install with the program files directory on another harddrive. |
| 15:22.59 | Legorol | zenzelezz: ok, in that case, how about backup strategy |
| 15:23.19 | Legorol | if i plan to backup my settings, i will have to backup the documents and settings folder from C |
| 15:23.29 | Legorol | zenzelezz: also, what about your Desktop? |
| 15:23.33 | Legorol | where is that pointing to? |
| 15:23.45 | zenzelezz | default directory. I don't show the icons on my desktop anyway |
| 15:23.51 | Legorol | Basically, items on my list that I am thinking about where to put: |
| 15:24.12 | zenzelezz | but I'm not the one to ask about backup, I rarely do that except for some special files |
| 15:24.32 | bsodergren | heh |
| 15:24.50 | Legorol | System (windows), Programs (that don't write to their folders), Programs (that save stuff to their folders), Documents and Settings, My Documents, My Music etc., Temp, Temporary Internet Files, Games, Desktop, my actual own documents, bunch of storage |
| 15:24.53 | bsodergren | i have an application that backs up my OS disk and most of my 500g drive array every night. |
| 15:25.13 | Legorol | I am trying to make a concious decision about where each of the above should be located |
| 15:25.56 | zenzelezz | it's a good idea to decide that before you get started :) |
| 15:26.08 | Legorol | heck yes, that's why i haven't even formatted my new drive yet |
| 15:27.30 | Legorol | bsodergren: how do you back up 500 G of stuff? |
| 15:27.38 | bsodergren | i dont back up all of it. |
| 15:27.39 | Legorol | your backup drives only support 200. |
| 15:27.42 | Legorol | fair enough |
| 15:27.47 | Legorol | what backup program do you use? |
| 15:27.49 | bsodergren | just my d:\program files and my warcraft folder :) |
| 15:28.01 | Legorol | with the new hard disk i also plan to have a sensible backup strategy |
| 15:28.06 | bsodergren | Acronis True Image |
| 15:28.10 | Legorol | (which i neglected way too much until now0 |
| 15:28.12 | Legorol | is that free? |
| 15:28.14 | bsodergren | no |
| 15:28.17 | Legorol | :( |
| 15:28.23 | bsodergren | its worth it though :) |
| 15:28.31 | Legorol | not for home use.. |
| 15:28.33 | zenzelezz | how unfree is it? |
| 15:28.36 | Legorol | i could just manually copy stuff |
| 15:28.37 | bsodergren | 40$ i think. |
| 15:28.42 | zenzelezz | not too bad |
| 15:28.45 | bsodergren | Legorol its not that type of backup. |
| 15:29.00 | bsodergren | you can make a cd with it that in like, 3-5 minutes you can go back to exactly where oyu left off. |
| 15:29.05 | Legorol | i played around a bunch with Windows' in-built backup program, i like it quite a bit |
| 15:29.17 | Legorol | unfortunatley, by default it's set up to backup documents and settings from the default locations |
| 15:29.19 | bsodergren | without reinstalling the OS or anything like that. |
| 15:29.31 | Legorol | oh i don't mind having to reinstall |
| 15:29.35 | Legorol | it's usually data i want to back up |
| 15:29.44 | Legorol | i have no desire to backup my OS, i'd rather just reinstall it |
| 15:29.51 | Legorol | a fresh copy doesn't hurt anyway once in a while |
| 15:29.55 | bsodergren | i do.. heh since i dont have a c:\program files , it was a pain to get windows Xp installed like that. |
| 15:30.04 | Legorol | haha, how did you manage that. |
| 15:30.22 | bsodergren | you have to edit one of the setup text files in the i386 dir |
| 15:30.23 | Legorol | custom pre-installation environment? |
| 15:30.24 | bsodergren | it sucked |
| 15:30.26 | bsodergren | ya |
| 15:30.36 | Legorol | so where do you keep the program files dir? |
| 15:30.41 | Legorol | on your striped raid? |
| 15:30.44 | bsodergren | ya |
| 15:30.53 | bsodergren | pair of 250gig sata. |
| 15:30.53 | Legorol | so what is it that you DO have on your OS partition |
| 15:31.01 | Legorol | i mean OS disk |
| 15:31.03 | bsodergren | Windows XP :) |
| 15:31.07 | Legorol | just that? |
| 15:31.09 | Legorol | nothing else? |
| 15:31.27 | Legorol | where does your Documents and Settings folder live? |
| 15:31.28 | bsodergren | ya, like, the windows folder, the documents and settings (for the admin user and the two default ones) |
| 15:31.37 | Legorol | right |
| 15:31.47 | Legorol | what about the documents and settings for the user you do use regularly |
| 15:31.48 | bsodergren | a temp folder and some driver folders |
| 15:31.52 | Legorol | is that pointed to a separate location? |
| 15:31.54 | bsodergren | its on the pair of 250s |
| 15:31.57 | Legorol | right |
| 15:32.09 | bsodergren | you create the new user as admin and before login change the path. |
| 15:32.13 | Legorol | ok, the one thing that irritates me about documents and settings: |
| 15:32.19 | Legorol | that the IE cache folder is under there by default |
| 15:32.29 | Legorol | bsodergren: yeah that's what i plan to do as well |
| 15:32.55 | Legorol | it really annoyed me... i could've just backed up my documents and settings folder with one click, and it would've fit on a CD.. |
| 15:33.00 | Legorol | *except* that the cache was in there as well |
| 15:33.12 | bsodergren | heh |
| 15:33.17 | bsodergren | set it to 1mb |
| 15:33.25 | Legorol | no no, i do want to have a cache.. |
| 15:33.27 | Tain | Don't use IE. ;) |
| 15:33.29 | Legorol | i will just have to relocate it |
| 15:33.35 | Legorol | Tain: IE7 is pretty nice actually |
| 15:33.41 | Legorol | although still has some minor bugs, being beta |
| 15:33.54 | bsodergren | minor... |
| 15:33.55 | bsodergren | heh |
| 15:34.01 | Legorol | did you find any major ones? |
| 15:34.12 | bsodergren | ya, the DOM and javascript is broken atm :) |
| 15:34.12 | Legorol | i did find a bunch of small ones |
| 15:34.15 | Tain | It better bring me beer and a blowjob to make me even think about it. |
| 15:34.17 | Legorol | bsodergren: oh right |
| 15:34.22 | Legorol | lol Tain |
| 15:34.28 | Legorol | ok, last question for you bsodergren: |
| 15:34.36 | Legorol | you said that Temp files go to your OS disks |
| 15:34.44 | Legorol | how fragmented does this make your OS disks? |
| 15:34.51 | bsodergren | not very. |
| 15:35.08 | Legorol | do you have your 500 Gb stripe partitioned? |
| 15:35.27 | Legorol | if so, in what way? and what do you keep where? |
| 15:35.29 | bsodergren | temp files , i mean when you install something and it uses winzip to unpack onto c:\temp, it continuous. |
| 15:35.54 | Legorol | the Temp folder is used by Windows all the time |
| 15:35.57 | bsodergren | ya, its partitioned. i have the d:\ which has stuff like warcraft, program files, couple other things. its not very big. |
| 15:36.04 | bsodergren | 100g or so.. |
| 15:36.21 | bsodergren | then i have the documents and settings drive, which is 200gigs, and my.. "video" drive ;) |
| 15:36.31 | bsodergren | which is the rest of the drive and is usually full of fraps videos. |
| 15:36.53 | Legorol | what browser do you use, and where does it store its cache? |
| 15:37.00 | bsodergren | ie |
| 15:37.10 | bsodergren | or, avant actually, |
| 15:37.12 | Legorol | you let the cache go in the default place? |
| 15:37.13 | bsodergren | and in default. |
| 15:37.32 | Legorol | and still your OS disk isn't very fragmented, that's good to hear |
| 15:37.44 | bsodergren | the default IE cache isnt on the c drive |
| 15:38.01 | Legorol | oh right, you redirected Docs and Settings, i forgot |
| 15:38.46 | Legorol | ok thanks for all the tips guys |
| 15:38.50 | bsodergren | fun fact, i've had my d:\ drive sooo fragmented that the entire frag display bar was red, with like, 80% disk free |
| 15:39.10 | Legorol | not suprised about that |
| 15:39.30 | Legorol | my issue with my current small disk is that it got very fragmented, i want to plan things out so that if a drive gets fragmented, i can pretty much just wipe it |
| 15:39.34 | bsodergren | it was from fraps. |
| 15:40.07 | bsodergren | recording a video then encoding it then deleting the raw video then creating a new one really puts a hurt on the drive. |
| 15:40.34 | Legorol | well i had a single 120G drive until now with a 100 and 20 partitions |
| 15:40.45 | Legorol | pretty much everything went on the 100 until now, the 20 was for some random stuff |
| 15:41.04 | Legorol | you can imagine how fragmented the 100 got, and also a pain to back up in a sensible way, with everything in one chaotic mess |
| 15:41.16 | Legorol | so i want to rethink it from the grounds up |
| 15:41.22 | Legorol | well thanks for all tips again |
| 15:44.24 | Cairenn|afk | okay guys, I'm out, see you all sometime tomorrow |
| 15:44.33 | Tain | Have fun Cairenn! |
| 15:44.34 | Cairenn|afk | Kaelten: you there? |
| 15:44.46 | Cairenn|afk | well, whenever you are ... |
| 15:45.03 | Cairenn|afk | Kaelten: I'll be counting on you guys (moderators) to keep an eye on the site for me today |
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| 15:52.00 | cladhaire | =) |
| 15:59.11 | Maldivia | I don't even dare to think what can/will happen... |
| 16:01.35 | cladhaire | I am really getting sick of crashing when i get off the boat in theramore =( |
| 16:14.50 | Tain | Don't get off the boat. |
| 16:16.35 | Cide | or, reroll horde! |
| 16:16.45 | Tain | For the Horde! |
| 16:17.07 | Cide | http://www.morzar.ch/mess/horde.jpg |
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| 16:25.29 | Wobin_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYEUFe9XJTI&search=creature%20comforts |
| 16:50.48 | Kirkburn | That's from about 20 yrs ago |
| 16:51.33 | Kirkburn | They're doing new ones now though, got them on DVD :) |
| 16:52.27 | Kirkburn | It's mostly just normal members of the public chatting about random stuff, but as animals |
| 16:54.01 | Wobin_ | Well, I still love Aardman |
| 16:54.21 | Wobin_ | Seen the previews for the new movie? |
| 16:54.48 | Kirkburn | Wererabbit |
| 16:54.54 | Wobin_ | nahnah, the one currently in production |
| 16:54.58 | Wobin_ | Wererabbit is good though |
| 16:55.06 | Kirkburn | I've yet to see it :( |
| 16:55.16 | Kirkburn | So, no haven't seen it! |
| 16:55.19 | Wobin_ | =( |
| 16:55.20 | [MoonWolf] | FOR THE BOARD!!! |
| 16:55.26 | Wobin_ | ... |
| 16:55.37 | [MoonWolf] | old joke. |
| 16:56.08 | Kirkburn | So what it the new one?? |
| 16:56.10 | Kirkburn | *is |
| 16:56.45 | Wobin_ | Alas. $parent does not work in CreateFrame |
| 16:58.30 | Kirkburn | You've told me there's a new one in production, but you haven't told me anything more :( |
| 16:59.21 | Wobin_ | I can't recall what it's called =( Lemme check =) |
| 16:59.28 | Wobin_ | I thought you were talking to Moonwolf =P |
| 16:59.51 | Cide | Wobin_: well, if you provide the second argument (parent), it shouldn't be that hard to add it in front of the first one :) |
| 17:00.13 | Wobin_ | yeah =) |
| 17:01.07 | Wobin_ | Kirkburn: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0424095/ |
| 17:01.09 | Wobin_ | Flushed Away |
| 17:01.19 | Kirkburn | Ta :) |
| 17:04.30 | Kirkburn | Oh, wait, yeah I've seen stuff from that. Looks cool :) |
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| 17:14.43 | Kirkburn1 | An informative flash film about Italians ... http://www.infonegocio.com/xeron/bruno/italy.html |
| 17:16.54 | Wobin_ | Did you see the Sushi one? =) |
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| 18:45.12 | Elviso | function CT_RA_SendRly()CT_RA_AddMessage("YARLY"); end |
| 18:45.14 | Elviso | lol |
| 18:45.24 | Elviso | function CT_RA_SendNoRly()CT_RA_AddMessage("NORLY"); end |
| 18:45.39 | Elviso | where's the NO WAI?? |
| 18:47.56 | Cide | same thing |
| 18:49.07 | Kirkburn | What is? |
| 18:50.55 | id` | I want my WorldFrame to be 1px larger |
| 18:51.00 | id` | How do i set it? |
| 18:51.01 | id` | ;P |
| 18:51.16 | id` | YOU TELL ME! HOW I SET? HOW I SET PLS |
| 18:51.20 | id` | ;x |
| 18:52.55 | Elviso | WORLDFRAME 1 PX LARGER 50gOK?? |
| 18:56.55 | id` | ORLY? |
| 18:57.27 | haste | WorldFrame:SetWidth(WorldFrame:GetWidth()+1) ? |
| 18:59.24 | id` | oh.. right.. |
| 19:00.00 | Iriel | If you want 1px on each side, dont forget it's +2 |
| 19:00.48 | Kirkburn | Which side gets a pixel first? |
| 19:00.49 | Iriel | And since the coordinate system is normalized, if you want 'screen pixels' you may have to multiply that by a scaling factor |
| 19:00.52 | wereHamster | he said 1px larger.. not 1px on each side ;) |
| 19:01.01 | Iriel | Kirkburn : I suspect it's up to the rendering engine |
| 19:01.31 | id` | no its just one pixel at the top that doesnt get drawn on, my guess is that the worldframe doesnt get 'painted' there |
| 19:01.52 | Kirkburn | 'height' then |
| 19:02.35 | Kirkburn | I have this suspiscion that 'width' won't help you :P |
| 19:02.44 | id` | oh i was thinking 'fromheretohere' |
| 19:03.05 | id` | anyway it doesnt seem to work |
| 19:03.06 | Kirkburn | Not "fromheretoinfinity"? |
| 19:03.08 | id` | no |
| 19:03.17 | Kirkburn | Damn |
| 19:03.35 | Kirkburn | Only happens in WoW? |
| 19:03.43 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.44 | id` | yes |
| 19:03.52 | id` | and it flickers |
| 19:03.58 | id` | white black white black |
| 19:04.05 | id` | very fast, very anoying |
| 19:04.19 | id` | if i open my map the top pixel of the map gets drawn there |
| 19:04.21 | Kirkburn | I get a weird offset in the wowmapviewer of about 100px south. Mouse clicking is in the right place, picture isn't. V odd, but down to my gfx card |
| 19:04.27 | id` | the top line* |
| 19:04.39 | Kirkburn | Sounds like a gfx card issue |
| 19:04.55 | Kirkburn | New drivers? |
| 19:05.30 | id` | only since last wow install |
| 19:05.34 | Kirkburn | What actually happens when you do the -20 offset. That area still doesn't get drawn even though the picture is underneath? |
| 19:07.22 | Kirkburn | It'd be hard to see, but interesting if you could see if the screen is getting shifted down by the pixel, or if it's just not drawing |
| 19:07.36 | Kirkburn | Alternatively, an addon issue? |
| 19:07.53 | id` | No, it does it without addons |
| 19:08.02 | Iriel | It's probably a video driver issue |
| 19:08.05 | Kirkburn | V odd |
| 19:08.10 | id` | Seems like the WorldFrame:SetWidth(10) doesnt work, lol |
| 19:08.14 | Iriel | Do you have full screen glow enabled? |
| 19:08.27 | id` | Iriel: eh? |
| 19:08.27 | Iriel | I believe the world frame is fully anchored |
| 19:08.28 | Kirkburn | Yeah, fiddle with the video settings |
| 19:08.40 | Iriel | so you'd need to re-anchor it with just one point first |
| 19:08.47 | Kirkburn | Change resolution, especially |
| 19:09.29 | id` | Iriel wins! |
| 19:09.35 | id` | it was the full screen glow effect |
| 19:09.39 | id` | wich is now off |
| 19:09.51 | id` | (and i think its prettier :>) |
| 19:10.09 | id` | and it raised my fps to 40 in the middle of org.. |
| 19:10.20 | id` | (from 20) |
| 19:10.23 | id` | crazy.. |
| 19:10.28 | Kirkburn | Underwater will look rubbish now though :) |
| 19:10.58 | Kirkburn | oh and death. But then you probably won't want to see that anyway |
| 19:11.05 | id` | oooomg |
| 19:11.08 | id` | 50fps |
| 19:11.25 | id` | *drool* |
| 19:13.17 | Kemayo | Double-digit fps? I'm so jealous... |
| 19:31.25 | groll | woohoo some 30 downloads on my addon so far :D |
| 19:32.22 | groll | oh 45 i mean :P |
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| 19:36.51 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 19:36.58 | Kalroth | onos |
| 19:38.33 | id` | Anyone use irfanview? |
| 19:38.40 | Kalroth | I do |
| 19:38.46 | id` | I want it to scale the picture if the picture is larger then the window.. |
| 19:38.54 | id` | like windows file and fax viewer in XP |
| 19:39.07 | Kalroth | mmm, press F and see if it does the trick |
| 19:39.20 | id` | yes |
| 19:39.21 | id` | thanks |
| 19:43.21 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/ui%20setups/WoWScrnShot_042906_213747.jpg |
| 19:43.32 | id` | ups wrong channel, meh doesnt matter :D |
| 19:45.46 | id` | "unit frames are the only things I want big fat and in my face" - Industrial |
| 19:45.49 | id` | kek |
| 19:48.17 | haste | You never hit the right chan :p |
| 19:56.51 | Kirkburn | Now that's a bare UI |
| 20:25.21 | Miravlix | I'm trying to load a xml file with a GameTooltip multiple times. First time there is no problem (offcourse), second time I get a GameTooltip_ClearMoney() error, third time I get a MoneyFrame_SetMoney() error. |
| 20:25.44 | Elviso | other addons loading as well? |
| 20:26.21 | Iriel | Did you use OnLoad to get around multiple loading? |
| 20:27.00 | Iriel | Or did you do it by making your toc PrepareForCreate.lua CreateTooltip.xml CleanUpAfterCreate.lua ? |
| 20:28.08 | Miravlix | I tried OnVariusthings but it didn't work |
| 20:28.41 | Miravlix | So I hook GameTooltip_ClearMoney() to handle that it's called from a frame without a name |
| 20:30.00 | Iriel | do you unhook it again? or just hook it forever? |
| 20:30.27 | Miravlix | Forever, I just add a sanity check if this and this:GetName() then work as normal |
| 20:30.52 | Miravlix | But why isn't 2 loadings the same as 1 loading |
| 20:31.15 | Miravlix | Now I have to test 3-4 loadings too to check the world isn't changed again |
| 20:31.58 | Iriel | I suspect it depends on what MoneyFrame_SetMoney is trying to do |
| 20:32.16 | Iriel | It may be related to what happens after the 2nd loading |
| 20:32.24 | Iriel | rather than just it being the 3rd loading |
| 20:32.25 | Miravlix | Third |
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| 20:32.54 | Miravlix | First is fine, 2nd is GameTooltip_ClearMoney() third is MoneyFrame_SetMoney(9 |
| 20:33.08 | Miravlix | SetType() |
| 20:34.05 | Miravlix | Well, it loads with no errors, since I've hooked the functions correctly now. |
| 20:34.29 | Miravlix | But I don't understand why setting up <Scripts> in the XML didn't deal with it. |
| 20:36.33 | Miravlix | Well, it works, so don't fix it. |
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| 21:04.18 | Tain | Well I've got my ActionButtons working without XML, just have to work on management of them. |
| 21:04.35 | Iriel | Tain: Did you use my library? |
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| 21:04.44 | Iriel | or are you making non-blizzard ones? |
| 21:05.39 | Shouryuu | Catch 22 is a movie right? |
| 21:06.01 | Iriel | Well, it's a book |
| 21:06.05 | Iriel | of which they made a movie |
| 21:06.09 | Iriel | by Joseph Heller (I think) |
| 21:07.15 | Shouryuu | Yeah the book is by Heller |
| 21:07.23 | Tain | Non-blizzard ones, I didn't actually see your library. |
| 21:08.46 | Iriel | Its not really 'released' yet, which is why I asked, in case I needed to give it a kick out of the door |
| 21:08.56 | Iriel | But you can create a standard blizzard action button with: |
| 21:09.15 | Iriel | VF:Instantiate("ActionBarButtonTemplate", "VFXAction1", UIParent, { ID = 1 } } |
| 21:09.22 | Iriel | VF:Instantiate("ActionBarButtonTemplate", "VFXAction1", UIParent, { ID = 1 } ); |
| 21:09.23 | Iriel | even |
| 21:10.30 | Tain | I'd like to take a look at it and look between that and what I've done. |
| 21:10.52 | Iriel | It's a slightly different take on things than yours, I suspect |
| 21:11.08 | Iriel | since it works by using XSLT to convert blizzard's virtual frame definitions into LUA structures |
| 21:11.21 | Iriel | then there's a driver to instantiate objects based on those structures |
| 21:12.23 | Tain | Well the biggest issue I had was having to write more functions instead of relying on all of the ActionButton_* functions for certain things. |
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| 21:17.03 | Esamynn | Good Afternoon everyone |
| 21:17.07 | Shouryuu | Hello |
| 21:18.00 | Shouryuu | hummm |
| 21:18.35 | Shouryuu | I've just come back from a school trip and of course everyone took pictures |
| 21:18.45 | Shouryuu | what would be the smartest way to share them all? |
| 21:19.15 | Shouryuu | I'm voting uploading them to some server where everyone could download them |
| 21:19.22 | Esamynn | everyone print up ALL their pictures and you get togeather to show them off!! DUH! |
| 21:19.34 | Shouryuu | But I don't know of such service |
| 21:19.35 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:19.38 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:19.46 | Kirkburn | Heya Shouryuu :) |
| 21:20.13 | Shouryuu | I've thought about creating a dummy blog |
| 21:20.16 | Kirkburn | I also say upload them to a server, but I don't know the best service for it |
| 21:20.22 | Esamynn | sigh, so I just downloaded Gatherer, and I already feel the need to gripe about the way it's data storage is structured :( |
| 21:20.29 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:21.10 | Kirkburn | I just found how to do rollover links for my website, so I'm happy :) |
| 21:21.38 | Kirkburn | (I've never read a book on website design) |
| 21:22.13 | Shouryuu | I have no idea what those are but I say gratz |
| 21:23.01 | Esamynn | well, take a look at this little bit of the item database...tell me if you see anything.................silly http://wow.pastebin.com/689289 I added the comments |
| 21:23.18 | Esamynn | sorry, use this link http://wow.pastebin.com/689292 |
| 21:26.31 | Shouryuu | apart from the icon type being repeted for each herb |
| 21:27.05 | Kirkburn | (Shouryuu, when you have your mouse over a picture, the icon changes, that's what I mean :) |
| 21:27.08 | Esamynn | for EACH node, the skill type too |
| 21:27.41 | Shouryuu | ahhh |
| 21:27.43 | Esamynn | we are taling about a database that will grow to thousands on entries |
| 21:27.43 | Shouryuu | cool :P |
| 21:27.47 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 21:28.02 | Kirkburn | Ah |
| 21:28.11 | Kirkburn | Not great, and incredibly long |
| 21:28.28 | Kirkburn | When I say incredibly, I mean immensely |
| 21:29.38 | Kirkburn | My gatherer LUA file is 2.86 meg |
| 21:29.38 | Shouryuu | ow |
| 21:29.38 | Tain | Yeah Esamynn that's been the knock on Gatherer for.. well forever. |
| 21:29.38 | Tain | I stopped using it a year ago. |
| 21:29.39 | Esamynn | I'm thinking about fixing it and giving the code to the authors, because that database is just STUPID!!!! |
| 21:29.46 | Kirkburn | Wait, it specifies the herb type, and then for each one the icon ... that's ... odd. |
| 21:30.08 | Esamynn | yep, it repeats two entires for each NODE, not type :( |
| 21:30.23 | Esamynn | which could be stored in the type one level lower |
| 21:30.31 | Kirkburn | If it was for customization, wasn't the best way :S |
| 21:30.53 | Esamynn | and I can't figure out who would care how many times they have harvested a particular node |
| 21:31.16 | Kirkburn | To see what kind of goods it gives on average |
| 21:31.27 | Kirkburn | And yes, it's not really needed |
| 21:31.42 | Wobin_ | I do like those stats |
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| 21:31.58 | Wobin_ | It tells me what zones I can look for with the largest chance of that herb |
| 21:32.03 | Kirkburn | Fair, but it'd be better done globally |
| 21:32.09 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 21:32.19 | Wobin_ | I'd be happy with "Zone A had 100 pickups" |
| 21:32.28 | Kirkburn | By zone is really the smallest you need to go |
| 21:32.32 | Esamynn | in reality, each of those node entires requires 352 bytes (going from Iriels numbers, when, if they dumped the count entry, they could store it in 64 bytes per node!! |
| 21:32.33 | Wobin_ | rather than "Zone A loc X,Y had 4" |
| 21:33.11 | Wobin_ | You could write an addon that sits between Gatherer and it's database, which expands or compresses the info =) |
| 21:33.12 | Tain | It's just another case of an idea that started with what people were learning about addons and was never optimized. |
| 21:33.24 | Esamynn | yes :( |
| 21:33.29 | Wobin_ | Write the code, and offer it to them |
| 21:33.30 | Kirkburn | I would ceratainly appreciate it being improved |
| 21:33.41 | Kirkburn | (along with my spelling) |
| 21:33.48 | Tain | I just stopped using it so long ago I don't miss it anymore. |
| 21:33.52 | Esamynn | Wobin_ why do you need to know the number of times you have harvested each NODE to determine that info? |
| 21:34.01 | Wobin_ | I don't, that's the point |
| 21:34.05 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 21:34.06 | Esamynn | ahh ok |
| 21:34.08 | Wobin_ | I'm happy with a zonewide enumeration |
| 21:34.30 | Esamynn | i'm looking at the code right now to see how much work it would be to re-structure the database |
| 21:35.11 | Kemayo | It has such a large userbase that you'd have to write an import tool to get any kind of adoption on your improved version |
| 21:35.30 | Esamynn | If I change it I think I will stick with the same basic table structure to make the conversion easy |
| 21:36.23 | Esamynn | moving the redundant data would cut the current size of the data base by around 80% |
| 21:36.39 | Esamynn | if I change it to array indexing too |
| 21:36.47 | Kirkburn | Does the item drop data get recorded? |
| 21:37.15 | Kirkburn | nvm |
| 21:37.16 | Esamynn | like how many you got? I don't think so |
| 21:37.23 | Kalroth | yes it does |
| 21:37.39 | Kalroth | it stored an average for a specific node |
| 21:37.42 | Kalroth | stores* |
| 21:37.51 | Shouryuu | does it really weight on performance? |
| 21:38.10 | Kalroth | dunno, I haven't noticed Gatherer to be that slow |
| 21:38.29 | Esamynn | Kalroght, is there any evidence that specific nodes "drop" better than others? |
| 21:38.30 | Kalroth | of course I got a high-end system with lots of memory, but still |
| 21:38.47 | Esamynn | s/Kalroght/Kalroth/ |
| 21:38.49 | Kalroth | Esamynn: none that I know of, it's purely for statistics |
| 21:38.55 | Wobin_ | I think the biggest issue with 'slow addons' is that it's hard to see the slowdown |
| 21:39.00 | Esamynn | seems like a pointless statistic then |
| 21:39.06 | Shouryuu | yeah lol |
| 21:39.14 | Wobin_ | Since we rarely disable random addons to see the difference |
| 21:39.20 | Kalroth | people like pointless statistics ;) |
| 21:39.20 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 21:39.39 | Wobin_ | 76.888444848422% of people like pointless statistics |
| 21:39.49 | Kemayo | I <3 pointless statistics. |
| 21:40.01 | Kalroth | especially when it comes to loot |
| 21:40.33 | Esamynn | also, throwing in the 3rd entry would cut about 25% of the gain from such a conversion |
| 21:40.46 | Kalroth | it's interesting how superstitious people gets when it comes to loot |
| 21:40.48 | Esamynn | oh, waitn, not that much |
| 21:40.54 | Wobin_ | Gogo GathererLite |
| 21:41.09 | Kalroth | "Joe was raidleader on the last raid and we got awesome loot, he'll be the raidleader for the next 10 times!" |
| 21:41.27 | Kalroth | "Jack opened the corpse first, he's to blame for the crappy Cenarion!!" |
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| 21:42.16 | Wobin_ | "Fred looted the corpse when the moon was in a waning phase, and the houses of mars and pluto were coinciding with the aphelion of the sun." |
| 21:42.33 | Kalroth | :) |
| 21:42.59 | Wobin_ | "Looting Onyxia when she's in the south corner of her den is bad Feng Shui" |
| 21:43.17 | Kalroth | "nono, don't stand there, she'll deep breath more!" |
| 21:43.32 | Wobin_ | You need a Holy priest to add a water feature in the opposite corner |
| 21:44.07 | Kalroth | "You have to spin Onyxia at least 2 times otherwise she wont aggro properly" |
| 21:44.18 | Kalroth | I actually got a raid to do that :P |
| 21:44.19 | Wobin_ | "CAuse she gets dizzy" |
| 21:44.31 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:44.39 | Kalroth | She flamed half the left side :D |
| 21:45.01 | Esamynn | how many Gatherer users do we have here? |
| 21:45.20 | Kalroth | don't raise my hand, Wobin! |
| 21:45.27 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:45.45 | Wobin_ | (I think we think faar too alike to be comfortable, Kalroth =P) |
| 21:46.18 | Esamynn | hmm, just trying to decide if losing the pointless statistic is worth the space gains (over ppl who would complain about it going bye-bye) |
| 21:46.27 | Wobin_ | lose them |
| 21:46.30 | Kalroth | Esamynn: Well it doesn't matter for me |
| 21:46.45 | Wobin_ | If you tell them about the gains, they'll either care, or they won't =P |
| 21:46.46 | Kalroth | but removing "features" will make users complain :) |
| 21:47.00 | Esamynn | exactly my difficulty |
| 21:47.18 | Wobin_ | I'm not sure if people actually -really- use the individual node count |
| 21:47.21 | Esamynn | although, they don't complain when we remove "unintended features" |
| 21:47.35 | Iriel | One use it does have |
| 21:47.44 | Iriel | is an idea of how contested the node is |
| 21:47.54 | Wobin_ | ... |
| 21:48.05 | Wobin_ | But that node count doesn't include other people mining it |
| 21:48.07 | Esamynn | hmm, I hadn't considered that |
| 21:48.08 | Iriel | A node with a low count in a 'busy' place is often goingt o not be there |
| 21:48.08 | Wobin_ | only you |
| 21:48.15 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 21:48.27 | Wobin_ | Do you really think people think that hard? =) |
| 21:48.41 | Wobin_ | Or just go to the place with the largest number of nodes and run around mounted? =) |
| 21:48.53 | Wobin_ | Maybe CGFs... |
| 21:48.54 | Kemayo | (I use it too. I'm just late.) |
| 21:49.09 | Esamynn | hmm, I suppose it might be worth an extra 32 bytes per node |
| 21:49.12 | Wobin_ | Kemayo: Well, I'm sorry, we're all out of cake! |
| 21:49.35 | Iriel | Are the nodes array-style or hash style? |
| 21:49.37 | Wobin_ | Esamynn: What would be even better? If it was optional =) |
| 21:49.45 | Kirkburn | You know we were talking about copyright, etc. recently? I noticed that in the addon PhatFonts, the author didn't even change the name of the addon directory from "!ClearFont". The author has never spoken to me ... |
| 21:49.51 | Wobin_ | and if not selected, then it doesn't yada |
| 21:50.23 | Kirkburn | I'm not that bothered, but that's the type of thing to really annoy people |
| 21:50.27 | Kalroth | Can't you do bitshifting in LUA? the average should never use more than 6-8 bits at worst, so you could share a 32 bit integer with node average and some other value! |
| 21:50.45 | Iriel | Kalroth : Yes but it's not exactly fun |
| 21:50.52 | Iriel | Kalroth : Since it requires library calls for each operation |
| 21:50.57 | Kalroth | >< |
| 21:51.04 | Kalroth | you can't just or/and/xor? |
| 21:51.10 | Kalroth | and shl/shr? |
| 21:51.12 | Iriel | Kalroth : There's no integer type in lua |
| 21:51.18 | Iriel | Kalroth : so no |
| 21:51.22 | Wobin_ | we're all tables here, baby =) |
| 21:51.26 | Iriel | Kalroth : We have bitlib, which uses the integer part of a double |
| 21:51.29 | Kirkburn | I'm a chair! |
| 21:51.42 | Wobin_ | People with games, and stories to tell? |
| 21:51.49 | Esamynn | Iriel: any idea on the size of a number in WoW Lua? |
| 21:51.50 | Kalroth | Iriel: yeah, that'll be slow alright :/ |
| 21:52.11 | Esamynn | I want to do a better approximation of the space gains |
| 21:52.21 | Wobin_ | anyway. I'd better sleep |
| 21:52.25 | Wobin_ | CAuse it's early |
| 21:52.25 | Kirkburn | g'night |
| 21:52.29 | Esamynn | night |
| 21:52.33 | Wobin_ | Even though it's holiday week next week |
| 21:52.37 | Iriel | Esamynn : Where is the number? |
| 21:52.39 | Kalroth | There goes my idea of doing huffman compression of tables to save storage space :P |
| 21:52.44 | Iriel | Esamynn : All 'values' are 16 bytes |
| 21:52.50 | Esamynn | oh ok, nm then |
| 21:53.55 | Esamynn | oh right, 16 bytes per entry, not bits, damn I'm slow today ;) |
| 21:54.03 | Iriel | Esamynn : The real question is how the tables work |
| 21:54.11 | Iriel | Esamynn : See http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=369913 |
| 21:54.20 | Esamynn | yes, I'm looking at it |
| 21:54.45 | Esamynn | asuming that is your How big things are (in WoW's lua) thread |
| 21:55.02 | Iriel | yes |
| 21:55.33 | Iriel | though we did find out that stuff that's created explicitly with a {} constructor doesn't have the exponential effect |
| 21:56.34 | Esamynn | cool |
| 21:57.18 | Esamynn | ok, the improvements I'm thinking of making would cut the database size down to about 25% of what it is currently |
| 21:57.22 | Esamynn | Jeez, thats huge |
| 21:57.38 | Iriel | What does one node look like at present? |
| 21:57.50 | Esamynn | http://wow.pastebin.com/689292 |
| 21:58.25 | Iriel | Esamynn : Will you be changing it to an array-style encoding for the node? |
| 21:58.32 | Esamynn | I'm thinking of taking out the count field altogeather, moving the gtype and icon down 1 level and using array style indexing |
| 21:58.47 | Iriel | e.g. { gtype, x, y, icon, count } |
| 21:59.05 | Iriel | Indeed |
| 21:59.09 | Esamynn | no, one of my nodes would be {x, y} |
| 21:59.13 | Iriel | {x, y, count} would be nicer, and you could make count optional |
| 21:59.27 | Iriel | I wouldn't remove count |
| 21:59.30 | Esamynn | yah, Wobin_ suggested making count optional which I like |
| 21:59.58 | Esamynn | its not a statistic I would use personally |
| 22:01.13 | Kirkburn | Optional = good idea |
| 22:01.26 | Esamynn | hmm |
| 22:01.54 | Esamynn | maybe instead of moving the gtype and icon down on level i'll index them in a seperate table structure by name |
| 22:02.21 | Kirkburn | Surely the icons are already coded ... ? |
| 22:02.41 | Kirkburn | I suppose it'd be if you want your own though |
| 22:02.43 | Esamynn | currently the icon "index" number is stored in each NODE |
| 22:03.10 | Kirkburn | I know, I'm just wondering why they'd need to be in the SV in the first place. I suppose the idea is that you can customize each node icon |
| 22:03.10 | Esamynn | so wherever I move it to is an improvement |
| 22:04.06 | Kirkburn | (I don't recall that option in gatherer, but I didn't explore much) |
| 22:04.46 | Esamynn | you can't currently do that, but it could be added later as an optional feature where if the icon index exists at the node level then it overrides the "default" |
| 22:05.06 | Esamynn | at least, I'm pretty sure you can't |
| 22:05.09 | Iriel | I suspect the idea was to make the 'renderer' as simple as possible |
| 22:05.09 | Kirkburn | makes sense |
| 22:05.24 | Iriel | It's given a list of nodes |
| 22:05.31 | Iriel | without their supporting structure |
| 22:05.40 | Iriel | changing this is going to require that it gets that data from somewhere else |
| 22:05.55 | Esamynn | yes, that is true |
| 22:06.44 | Esamynn | now, if I wanted to be tricky, I could make use of a metatable to pretend the entires were still in each node |
| 22:07.09 | Esamynn | but that's more of a hack than a fix |
| 22:07.30 | Tem | it would require a function call for each index |
| 22:07.37 | Tem | which would probably just cost you more than you gain |
| 22:08.22 | Esamynn | that too, definately more costly time wise |
| 22:09.22 | Miravlix_ | SeaSpellbook v1.0 done, time to work on SeaInventory. |
| 22:11.15 | Iriel | I suspect re-building the renderer so it takes a list of icon/type changes and nodes is easier |
| 22:11.31 | Esamynn | oh,on something unrelated, Iriel, your library for creating dynamic frames from templates, your AddOn mentioned a script that generated the templates for the Blizzard XML templates, would you mind sharing that script? |
| 22:11.37 | Iriel | so you go <stranglekelp> <node> <node> <node> <peacebloom> <noce> <noce> etc |
| 22:11.53 | Iriel | Esamynn : Do you want it now, or just 'eventually' ? |
| 22:12.38 | Esamynn | anytime today would fit my timeline just fine |
| 22:13.05 | Iriel | ok, bug me later if I haven't posted it |
| 22:13.07 | Esamynn | ok |
| 22:13.27 | Esamynn | or email is fine, you have my address now :) |
| 22:14.07 | Esamynn | Iriel: not sure yet, I'm still examining the code, I've never looked before an hour ago and Gatherer is 450 KB of code |
| 22:14.29 | Esamynn | but yes, that does appear to be the table structure from what I've seen |
| 22:18.53 | Esamynn | sigh, the major obstacle here is instead of coding a sort of library for accessing the database, the code is just all over the place :( |
| 22:23.59 | Esamynn | Kalroth: you still around? |
| 22:24.04 | Kalroth | Yessir |
| 22:24.50 | Esamynn | my Gatherer SavedVariables file is quite small and it would be helpful to have one that has been in use for a while so I can check for any "oddities" in the table structure |
| 22:25.41 | Esamynn | would you mind giving me a copy of yours? |
| 22:26.00 | Kalroth | mmmm |
| 22:26.36 | Esamynn | not a problem if you don't want to, I can ask a guild member, just you are here so I thought I would ask |
| 22:27.16 | Kalroth | http://acdev.org/sv_gatherer.zip |
| 22:27.23 | Kalroth | it's 440kb |
| 22:27.44 | Esamynn | thanks |
| 22:27.50 | Kalroth | np :) |
| 22:29.03 | Qaarh | hmm, are plant/ore locations static through servers? |
| 22:29.10 | Esamynn | hmm, now i'm glad I asked, there are more possible node entires that I hadn't seen before |
| 22:29.22 | Esamynn | Qaarh: my guess would be yes |
| 22:29.35 | Qaarh | interesting.. mind if I try on this EU server? |
| 22:29.55 | Esamynn | ~lart Qaarh |
| 22:30.04 | Qaarh | hah |
| 22:30.13 | Qaarh | ~lart ? |
| 22:30.18 | Qaarh | heh |
| 22:30.22 | Qaarh | ~lart esamynn |
| 22:30.25 | Esamynn | make your own database file :P |
| 22:30.33 | Qaarh | :D heh, I am |
| 22:32.22 | ckknight | hey all |
| 22:34.11 | Esamynn | hmm, very interesting, it looks like the node information format has changed over time with no attempt to clean up the old formats |
| 22:34.58 | Kemayo | It probably is easier to just ignore the old stuff than to try to migrate it. |
| 22:35.54 | Esamynn | yes, that is definately in the same spirit as the author(s) have already shown |
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| 22:40.48 | Kirov | wow, full channel |
| 22:40.55 | Esamynn | hey Kirov |
| 22:40.59 | Esamynn | brb |
| 22:52.28 | Kirkburn | Blizzard ban about 50 accounts every day |
| 22:52.41 | ckknight | only? |
| 22:52.46 | Kirkburn | (they banned 3100 since 1.10) |
| 22:52.57 | Kirkburn | No wait, nearer 100 |
| 22:53.24 | Qaarh | time for some sleep.. see you guys |
| 22:53.28 | Kirov | So, further Minimap exploration. If you make a second minimap and change the alpha of the second minimap itself, it seems to break both minimaps when you zone. |
| 22:53.29 | Kirkburn | night |
| 22:54.55 | Kirov | Changing the alpha of the main minimap, either by messing with the minimap itself or the minimap cluster has no effect on the second minimap |
| 22:55.26 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: drop in the ocean (account bannings :) |
| 22:55.37 | Kirov | Also, the minimap texture(s) itself do not appear to be the background, or any other normal texture. |
| 22:55.49 | Kirkburn | Not sure why that got a smiley Kalroth :P |
| 22:56.14 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: I'm happy they ban people! |
| 22:56.23 | Kirkburn | Whether that's EU + US combined I don't know ... but it's only on the EU site |
| 22:56.31 | Kirkburn | well, so am I :P |
| 22:56.59 | Kalroth | the game client is far too tolerant of fake data, so they need to fix it some other way |
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| 23:23.29 | Kirkburn | Wow, 24 is good :D I'm into the final hour |
| 23:25.28 | wereHamster | let's see if tvtorrent.info already has the episode :-P |
| 23:25.37 | Kirkburn | Season 1 :P |
| 23:26.36 | Kirkburn | But thanks for the link |
| 23:26.43 | wereHamster | oh. =-O |
| 23:30.24 | Esamynn | Iriel: in the generic for loop construct, is the iterator limited to two usable return values or is something like ----- for a, b, c, d in getIterator() do ---- allowed? |
| 23:30.47 | Iriel | you can return as many as you want |
| 23:31.23 | Iriel | as long as the first one is the key |
| 23:31.45 | zespri | Can you do conditional stuff in a macro to execute comands? such as if IsItTrue() then /cast A elseif IsThatTrue() /emote B else /say C end ? |
| 23:31.59 | Esamynn | ok, I just wanted to confirm that I was reading the manual correctly ;) |
| 23:32.03 | Iriel | You can't mix /script and / commands |
| 23:32.14 | Iriel | Esamynn : I'm not sure I've TRIED it, but that's definitely my understanding of it |
| 23:32.31 | Esamynn | ok |
| 23:32.34 | zespri | then the next question, how do I do /cast /say and /emote from lua? |
| 23:32.52 | wereHamster | zespri, DoEmote(), CastSpellByName() |
| 23:32.56 | Esamynn | i'll have to try it to make sure I get the return values of my GetIterator() function correctly |
| 23:33.03 | wereHamster | and SendChatMessage() |
| 23:33.14 | zespri | thank you wereHamster |
| 23:34.50 | zespri | So there is no way to check a condition in a macro if it is not inside /script? |
| 23:34.58 | Iriel | Esamynn :Works perfectly |
| 23:35.09 | Iriel | > for i,j,k in xget() do io.write(i,' ',j,' ',k,"\n") end |
| 23:35.12 | Iriel | 8 14 35 |
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| 23:45.04 | Esamynn | Iriel: thanks, just playing with it myself, I remember I had actually gotten around to installing stand alone Lua interpreter :) |
| 23:45.16 | Esamynn | remembered* |
| 23:46.31 | Esamynn | now to decide if I want to use the two iterator arguments or just store the iterator's state in it's upvalues |
| 23:47.45 | Iriel | You can make the first arg a table and then ignore the keycompletely |
| 23:47.55 | Iriel | and put the iteration state in the table |
| 23:48.06 | Iriel | but upvalues may well be easier and quicker |
| 23:49.51 | Esamynn | upvalues make sense because neither way allows the user of the iterator to "go back" |
| 23:55.16 | zespri | DoEmote executes emote token. How do I just emulate "/e meditating" from lua? |
