| 00:14.50 | Iriel | More cookies |
| 00:15.03 | cladhaire | FWIW.. the raid UI without all 150 raid frames... is really cheap =) |
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| 00:24.18 | tardmrr | wow Iriel |
| 00:24.19 | tardmrr | what a day |
| 00:24.59 | Iriel | indeed |
| 00:25.16 | tardmrr | has anyone done a comparison with what he implemented with the list to see what didn't make the cut? |
| 00:25.58 | cladhaire | I was just going to ask that =) |
| 00:26.24 | tardmrr | oh, looks like Esaymn has been keeping track |
| 00:26.29 | tardmrr | removing from the list as things were implemented |
| 00:26.42 | Iriel | I got all but one of the things IrielVirtualFrames needed |
| 00:27.10 | Iriel | I think |
| 00:27.10 | tardmrr | which? |
| 00:27.18 | tardmrr | the SimpleHTML? |
| 00:27.28 | Iriel | Yup |
| 00:27.32 | Iriel | And I dont think the code uses it |
| 00:27.33 | tardmrr | bah |
| 00:27.35 | tardmrr | no one uses them |
| 00:27.40 | tardmrr | except you |
| 00:28.15 | AnduinLothar | MCom uses um |
| 00:28.26 | Tem | I switched earlier because I was annoyed at how easily people confuse "Tem" and "Tain" |
| 00:28.49 | Tem | but really, I should take a closer look at Simple HTML |
| 00:29.02 | Tem | they look to be one of the most useful widgets |
| 00:29.05 | Iriel | They're just handy for large amounts of content |
| 00:29.07 | Tem | just very underused |
| 00:29.15 | Iriel | And I thing <img src="..."> is cool |
| 00:29.22 | AnduinLothar | i tend to be able to break them every time I update Arch |
| 00:29.51 | Iriel | They usually break once every patch |
| 00:30.20 | AnduinLothar | ya, it it's not some escape character then it's size allowed |
| 00:30.36 | Iriel | Though they've been more stable of late |
| 00:32.55 | Tem | yay, time to go home |
| 00:33.12 | zespri_work | what is supposed ussage of addon metadata fields? |
| 00:33.28 | Iriel | zespri_work: The point is more or less we use them as we wish |
| 00:33.31 | Iriel | Cya Tem |
| 00:33.44 | Iriel | zespri_work: I see it being of extreme use to stuff like Stubby |
| 00:33.51 | AnduinLothar | #Cosmos-AddOn: true; |
| 00:34.42 | zespri_work | how is it diffirenet from Addon_Name_CosmosAddon = true? |
| 00:34.54 | AnduinLothar | it's in the toc |
| 00:35.01 | zespri_work | and the point is? |
| 00:35.17 | AnduinLothar | and we can parse it along with the toc data w/o parsing the whole lua and still get it in game |
| 00:35.33 | Iriel | the addon doesn't have to be loaded |
| 00:36.09 | AnduinLothar | if we want... we could impliment #LoadWith ourselves |
| 00:36.18 | cladhaire | very true |
| 00:36.22 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Sort of |
| 00:36.30 | Iriel | LoadWith does an implied Optional dependency |
| 00:36.53 | zespri_work | ok thanks. Interesting |
| 00:37.55 | zespri_work | by stuff like stubby you mean something that loads other addons? |
| 00:38.06 | AnduinLothar | how bout... #Undeclared Requirement: |
| 00:38.26 | Iriel | Dont forget it needs to be an # X- entry for us to see it |
| 00:38.29 | Iriel | I can see |
| 00:38.39 | Iriel | # X-ProvidesFunctions: SomethingOrOther |
| 00:38.42 | AnduinLothar | or... #OptionallyEnhancesByNeedsToLoadBefore: |
| 00:38.57 | Iriel | or |
| 00:39.03 | Iriel | # X-Classes: Warrior, Rogue, Mage |
| 00:39.13 | Iriel | or # X-CrashesFor: Tem |
| 00:39.33 | AnduinLothar | or #X-Haxors: 1 |
| 00:39.45 | zespri_work | then you need CrashNow() function that being fixed away |
| 00:40.08 | AnduinLothar | you mean we dont have a curretn CrashNow(0 function? |
| 00:40.44 | zespri_work | we doing but it's being fixced to non-existence |
| 00:40.49 | AnduinLothar | what if you set the WorldFrame to be a child or the GameTooltip? |
| 00:40.58 | zespri_work | so it may be not there when #X- arrives |
| 00:41.02 | AnduinLothar | of* |
| 00:41.16 | AnduinLothar | i'm sure naxx will introduce more crash bugs |
| 00:47.52 | Kirkburn | Hehehe http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8068770&tmp=1#post8068770 |
| 01:09.18 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4904 |
| 01:10.30 | Cairenn | cladhaire: looks good |
| 01:10.35 | snurre | cladhaire: if you're using CTRA, perfectraid, xraid or whatever.. would it be possible to prevent blizzraid for loading altogether? |
| 01:10.52 | cladhaire | snurre: Yes, but then if you're the raid leader, you can't organize anything.. you can't tell what group you're in, etc. |
| 01:11.32 | snurre | hm, and not possible to add such features into other addons? |
| 01:12.48 | ckknight | hey cladhaire, what if you made it an embedded lib as well, that, for example, PR could include to not have the stuff show up? |
| 01:13.40 | cladhaire | ckknight: I'd rather not in this case.. it includes the full XML of the raid tab, and the entire (lua) code from the addon itself =) |
| 01:13.44 | cladhaire | its quite hacky =) |
| 01:13.54 | cladhaire | snurre: There's really no point to it, when its already implemented. |
| 01:14.16 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 01:15.37 | cladhaire | I literally took the XML and lua for the raid frames, and copies em in.. and commented out the onclick/ondrag handlers along with the 180 frames that get instantiated from virtual frames. |
| 01:16.13 | snurre | cladhaire: fair enough.. was just thinking if a raid addon could handle that while blocking blizzraid entirely.. so you could do the organizing without having to load blizzraid at all.. im far from familiar with this, just tossing ideas on how to save some resources |
| 01:16.42 | cladhaire | snurre: In this case, BlizzRaid doesn't load.. teh addon never gets loaded =) |
| 01:16.57 | snurre | testing it now |
| 01:16.59 | cladhaire | Its probably the easiest way around it, unless someone comes up with a whole seperate UI for raid organization |
| 01:17.05 | snurre | can't move people though |
| 01:17.13 | cladhaire | You should be able to, if you're the leader. |
| 01:17.36 | snurre | nope, doesnt work :( |
| 01:17.45 | cladhaire | k.. gimme a second to fix =) |
| 01:18.02 | cladhaire | i made a few changes after testing that =) |
| 01:21.54 | snurre | cool, works now |
| 01:22.09 | snurre | awesome, already gave it to some friends :) |
| 01:23.45 | snurre | now all w need is MiniBlizzAuction, BattlefieldMinimap, Binding, Craft etcetc.. replace all those with more efficient ones (and better looking ofcourse) :p |
| 01:25.50 | cladhaire | snurre: Updated =) |
| 01:25.54 | cladhaire | now it works |
| 01:26.33 | snurre | indeed it does.. gonna recommend this for my guildies |
| 01:28.55 | ckknight | MiniBlizzAuction would be cool |
| 01:29.19 | ckknight | it takes up almost a meg |
| 01:29.23 | ckknight | I think |
| 01:29.34 | snurre | and a rework of the crafting/tradeskill crap |
| 01:31.20 | snurre | anyway.. nice work clad, now its time for me to get to bed.. |
| 01:31.27 | cladhaire | night =) |
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| 01:39.24 | zeeg | Anyone got ChrRaces.dbc.csv handy |
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| 02:07.28 | AnduinLothar | oi, kil'jaeden took a dive again |
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| 02:35.28 | cmunn | Anyone remember what I said as I was leaving earlier? |
| 02:36.08 | Cairenn | cmunn: YAY! It works! |
| 02:36.08 | Cairenn | cmunn: No more leader lag |
| 02:36.08 | Cairenn | Tain: Down with leaders! |
| 02:36.09 | Cairenn | cmunn: Well, I get to go to work now :'( |
| 02:36.47 | cmunn | Oh, I thought I said something about "Maybe I'll get fired so I have more time to work on it" |
| 02:36.53 | cmunn | Must have been a different channel... |
| 02:37.17 | cmunn | Well, I've got more time to work on WoW UI modding. |
| 02:37.37 | Tain | Down with gainful employment! |
| 02:37.51 | Cairenn | oh no ... I'm sorry to hear that |
| 02:44.16 | Osagasu | Its a shame they didn't make Naxx a Tri-wing dungeon, with 5, 20, and 40. as it is I'll never be able to go into it. :< |
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| 03:05.42 | Tain | Initial release of CommandHistory, saves chat editbox command history between sessions - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4905 |
| 03:12.14 | bsodergren | interesting. |
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| 03:58.59 | zespri_work | how people test raid mods I wonder. You have to have very patient raid to put up with all your testing |
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| 04:09.15 | norganna | or multiple accounts zespri. |
| 04:10.01 | zespri_work | like 40? |
| 04:10.22 | zespri_work | I do have several accounts. but can;t have 40 - too expensive |
| 04:10.28 | norganna | hehe - what are you testing? |
| 04:10.56 | cmunn | Meh, If you don't have at least 40 60's for testing, you're not hardcore enough. |
| 04:11.11 | norganna | i'm lucky i managed to get 1 |
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| 04:45.38 | bsodergren | ... |
| 04:45.43 | bsodergren | you dont have 40 60's ?? |
| 04:45.51 | bsodergren | man.. the games been out like, 1.5 years GET TO WORK !! |
| 04:46.29 | Miravlix | Actually for some of us our servers is only a few months old |
| 04:46.45 | Miravlix | They gave us RP-PVP pretty late |
| 04:46.52 | bsodergren | pff... thats still like what, 90 days played ? |
| 04:47.09 | Miravlix | I've 50 days /played on my RP-PVP server |
| 04:47.42 | Miravlix | 3 chars 40+ 3 35 1 33 and one 20 |
| 05:13.53 | krka | stupid question that i could probably look up myself.... how hard would it be to make the wow chat input box to use arrows for editbox navigation instead of alt+arrows? |
| 05:15.43 | Iriel | We may have a method for that |
| 05:15.52 | Iriel | the set alt arrow key mode one, I forget its exact name |
| 05:20.44 | Elviso | Alright I might finally have time to finish some addons |
| 05:20.52 | Elviso | We just downed C'Thun :D |
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| 06:59.45 | Kemayo | Do we have an estimated 1.11 release date? |
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| 07:05.13 | cmunn | Not next week? |
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| 07:30.45 | ckknight | that seems a bit unlikely |
| 07:40.00 | Tem | well, I'd wager that 1.10.2 would have to go live first... |
| 07:40.17 | Tem | then we should probably expect to see the talent changes for mages and shamen released |
| 07:40.26 | Tem | (in general) |
| 07:40.36 | Tem | Then talent calculators |
| 07:40.42 | Tem | then a test realm |
| 07:40.54 | Tem | which will probably be up for nearly a month |
| 07:41.16 | Tem | and *then* we can start guessing about when 1.11 will go live |
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| 07:50.24 | Elviso | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-dungeons&t=485094&p=1&tmp=1#post485094 |
| 07:50.49 | Elviso | Naxxramas will come out in Patch 1.11 and will be previewed at E3 in a couple of weeks.....After a few more weeks of internal testing, well put it on the PTRs for an extended test period so that you guys have time to hammer the encounters and provide us with feedback.... |
| 07:51.21 | Elviso | SO, 1.11 won't be for 6-8 wks at least, I'd guesstimate |
| 07:54.02 | Kalroth | Sounds about right |
| 07:59.46 | Wobin_ | Damnit |
| 07:59.51 | Wobin_ | I want my keyrings =) |
| 08:59.29 | Tem | hmm |
| 08:59.44 | Tem | <snip>well put it on the PTRs for an extended test period so that you guys</snip> |
| 08:59.48 | Tem | *extended* |
| 08:59.50 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.19 | Tem | but really, the source of the "hmm" |
| 09:00.21 | Tem | "Also, Patch 1.11 has some great interface improvements coming. More info on that later." |
| 09:00.27 | Tem | wonder what he's talking about |
| 09:08.55 | Miravlix_ | Slouken said 1.11 would be a peacefull UI patch |
| 09:09.13 | Kalroth | yeah, all addons will suffer a peaceful death. :) |
| 09:09.15 | Miravlix | Sounds like there will be a lot of work for us. :( |
| 09:10.51 | Miravlix | Hmm, whats the rate of patch, 4 months between them? |
| 09:11.25 | Miravlix | Maybe I will be done at that time with my current huge todo list, should make life easier. |
| 09:36.09 | ckknight | Miravlix, grind the bugs |
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| 09:44.55 | Stylpe | It's working :D |
| 09:45.15 | Stylpe | Get ready for a new version of KIC ^_^ |
| 09:49.28 | Stylpe | Oh wait |
| 09:49.47 | Stylpe | I still have to upgrade to FuBar 1.2 API... bummer |
| 09:49.51 | Stylpe | and update the readme |
| 09:49.58 | Stylpe | and the localisation files... |
| 10:11.22 | Miravlix | ckknight: Don't have huge bug problems in Cosmos, more an issue of keeping up with the API changes. |
| 10:11.57 | Miravlix | And programming evolution. |
| 10:12.09 | ckknight | Stylpe, you don't have to |
| 10:12.15 | ckknight | not for a while, at least |
| 10:12.33 | ckknight | and I still haven't gotten the procedural categories down yet |
| 10:12.42 | ckknight | not even sure if I'll support em |
| 10:13.39 | ckknight | the 1.0 API will be supported for a while |
| 10:15.47 | Kirkburn | wikipedia: Fubarâ„¢ (Functional Utility Bar) |
| 10:16.05 | ckknight | hrm |
| 10:16.15 | Kirkburn | But not yours ... " a combination hammer and wrecking tool from the Stanley tool company" |
| 10:17.46 | Kirkburn | Lol this is stupid: |
| 10:17.57 | Kirkburn | "FUBAR, From the movie "Saving Private Ryan" Thought to be a german word" |
| 10:18.03 | Kirkburn | Then from german version: |
| 10:18.13 | Kirkburn | "Fubar ist ein Wort aus dem anglo-amerikanischen Sprachraum" |
| 10:19.43 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 10:19.54 | Wobin_ | Circular Reference: See Reference, Circular |
| 10:20.02 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 10:20.14 | Wobin_ | aka Infinite Loop, see Loop, Infinite =) |
| 10:21.51 | Wobin_ | hehe there's something wrong with the name "Field Marshal Josh" =P |
| 10:22.10 | Wobin_ | It's like saying His Royal Majesty Bob |
| 10:23.32 | Stylpe | That's a bit over-exaggerated |
| 10:26.14 | Stylpe | Oh, and ckknight, I think your logic for determining time offset in ClockFu might be flawed |
| 10:26.24 | ckknight | how so? |
| 10:26.26 | Wobin_ | The nickname of Josh just doesn't inspire confidence to me =P |
| 10:26.46 | Stylpe | You might end up with an offset of -13 when it should be +1 for example |
| 10:27.03 | Stylpe | at certain times of the day =P |
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| 10:27.42 | ckknight | okay |
| 10:27.50 | ckknight | um, I don't believe you |
| 10:28.06 | zeeg | seriously |
| 10:28.10 | zeeg | why is this crap on curse still going on |
| 10:28.16 | zeeg | argue all you want |
| 10:28.20 | Stylpe | anyway, I just wringed my brain to calculate the time difference between server and local time, using ClockFu methods |
| 10:28.22 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.31 | Stylpe | I might be wrong, though |
| 10:28.32 | zeeg | ill post anyones mod o i want (thats been released on the internet) anywhere i want, and theres not a damn thing the author can do about it |
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| 10:28.59 | ckknight | um, copyright law gets in your way, zeeg |
| 10:28.59 | zeeg | no |
| 10:29.00 | zeeg | they dont |
| 10:29.00 | zeeg | maybe you should learn how they work |
| 10:29.07 | zeeg | before arguing and stupid point |
| 10:29.07 | zeeg | and embarassing yourself |
| 10:29.07 | zeeg | "omg i made something its copyrighted" |
| 10:29.08 | zeeg | wrong |
| 10:29.14 | zeeg | its not that black and white |
| 10:29.15 | Stylpe | zeeg, don't be so arrogant |
| 10:29.26 | [MoonWolf] | Stylpe, this is zeeg we are talking about. |
| 10:29.29 | Stylpe | nobody likes that |
| 10:29.33 | zeeg | this is zeeg, who actually knows what hes talking about |
| 10:29.36 | zeeg | because he deals w/ this shit every day |
| 10:29.37 | ckknight | yes, all that time of studying IP law surely was pointless... |
| 10:29.49 | zeeg | Do you see how I have all those photos that are "Blizzards Property omgz" up on wowguru |
| 10:29.52 | zeeg | and they never could do a damn thing about it |
| 10:29.54 | zeeg | do you know why? |
| 10:29.56 | zeeg | they're public domain |
| 10:30.01 | Stylpe | Your point won't come through harder the more of an ass you are |
| 10:30.02 | ckknight | AddOns aren't |
| 10:30.05 | zeeg | do you know why they could do something about the BlizzCon ones when Blizzcon wasnt out yet? |
| 10:30.11 | zeeg | Stylpe, im just tired of seeing this flaming going on |
| 10:30.15 | Stylpe | Me too |
| 10:30.23 | [MoonWolf] | im tired of flaming, lets start another one! |
| 10:30.26 | zeeg | ckknight, addons, pictures, it doesnt matter |
| 10:30.28 | zeeg | all the exact same shit |
| 10:30.31 | Stylpe | but I'm trying to tell you that' you're just fueling it with that attitude |
| 10:30.34 | zeeg | [MoonWolf], im trying to explain the point here |
| 10:30.51 | zeeg | yes, im an asshole |
| 10:30.53 | zeeg | i admit it |
| 10:30.55 | zeeg | but i know what im talking about |
| 10:30.57 | zeeg | deal w/ it |
| 10:31.15 | ckknight | NO YOU DON'T YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE, SHUT THE FUCK UP. |
| 10:31.23 | zeeg | anyways |
| 10:31.40 | ckknight | if I write an AddOn, it's copyrighted |
| 10:31.43 | ckknight | deal with it. |
| 10:32.00 | zeeg | before you continue arguing on curses forums about "omg i wrote this you cant download it and host it somewhere because i want it hosted here and only here" you may want to actual read those copyright laws you keep linking to |
| 10:32.35 | zeeg | how about |
| 10:32.37 | zeeg | i just change the by lines |
| 10:32.39 | zeeg | and say i wrote them all |
| 10:32.40 | zeeg | and upload them |
| 10:32.43 | zeeg | gg you cant do a damn thing |
| 10:32.44 | zeeg | deal w/ it |
| 10:32.54 | ckknight | yes I can |
| 10:32.56 | zeeg | wrong |
| 10:33.03 | ckknight | you can be sent a Cease & Desist letter |
| 10:33.09 | zeeg | YOU can send me it |
| 10:33.09 | [MoonWolf] | then start explaining instead of claiming. |
| 10:33.12 | zeeg | courts wouldnt do a damn thing |
| 10:33.34 | ckknight | IP litigation can be streamlined pretty easy if you know the right people |
| 10:33.38 | zeeg | [MoonWolf], ive been through this before, especially w/ people in here, there's no explaining |
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| 10:33.45 | zeeg | ckknight, i would admit i posted them |
| 10:33.49 | zeeg | and they still wouldnt care |
| 10:34.07 | zeeg | thats the thing about releasing something like a LUA script on the internet |
| 10:34.22 | zeeg | sure, if i tried to sell it perhaps |
| 10:34.24 | zeeg | and it was yours |
| 10:34.32 | zeeg | and i never modified it, or maybe just modified the author/name tags |
| 10:34.38 | zeeg | but thats an entirely different ballpark |
| 10:34.57 | ckknight | so you're fine with breaking the law? |
| 10:35.01 | zeeg | hey you better go sue filemirrors.com while you're at it! |
| 10:35.04 | zeeg | learn the laws |
| 10:35.05 | zeeg | im not breaking any |
| 10:35.09 | krka|work | it's fine to break the law as long as you can't get punished for it |
| 10:35.16 | krka|work | or am i missing your point zeeg? |
| 10:35.18 | zeeg | I will gladly |
| 10:35.20 | zeeg | host everyones file |
| 10:35.22 | zeeg | change all the author tags to me |
| 10:35.25 | zeeg | and stick them on a US server |
| 10:35.30 | zeeg | and watch as not a single person can do a damn thing about it |
| 10:35.37 | zeeg | and will you then all shut up? |
| 10:35.48 | weab | all i see is you talking |
| 10:35.50 | zeeg | because Curse violates no copyright laws |
| 10:35.57 | ckknight | yes they do |
| 10:36.03 | zeeg | ckknight, prove it |
| 10:36.07 | zeeg | i keep seeing you link to this bullshit, that isnt relative |
| 10:36.09 | ckknight | it's pretty easy |
| 10:36.12 | zeeg | and you have no idea what any of it means |
| 10:36.15 | zeeg | "omg i made it its copyrighted" |
| 10:36.16 | zeeg | its not that simple |
| 10:36.21 | ckknight | yes it is |
| 10:36.27 | zeeg | sorry bud |
| 10:36.27 | ckknight | things are 9r) by default |
| 10:36.31 | ckknight | (R)* |
| 10:36.31 | zeeg | but there's reason we have to pay lawyers for this shit |
| 10:36.37 | zeeg | things are as black and white as you make them out to be |
| 10:36.42 | zeeg | "things" huh? |
| 10:36.46 | ckknight | zeeg, I have like 2 lwayers in my immediate family... |
| 10:36.50 | ckknight | lwayers* |
| 10:36.51 | zeeg | so wait |
| 10:36.53 | ckknight | lawyers* |
| 10:37.06 | [MoonWolf] | that is the worst argument ever ckknight and you know it. |
| 10:37.09 | zeeg | if someone drew a picture |
| 10:37.10 | [MoonWolf] | not that I dont agree with you. |
| 10:37.14 | zeeg | wait wait |
| 10:37.16 | zeeg | my sister drew me a picture |
| 10:37.20 | zeeg | im gonna go scan it |
| 10:37.21 | ckknight | what's my argument, [MoonWolf] ? |
| 10:37.23 | zeeg | and give it to all my friends |
| 10:37.26 | zeeg | you think she can sue me? |
| 10:37.28 | zeeg | i dont think so |
| 10:37.37 | [MoonWolf] | I know a person who knows something about his |
| 10:37.43 | zeeg | i am a person who knows something about this |
| 10:37.52 | [MoonWolf] | this* |
| 10:37.52 | zeeg | ive received 2 dmcas from blizzard since last fall |
| 10:37.54 | zeeg | trust me |
| 10:37.56 | zeeg | i know how it works |
| 10:38.01 | ckknight | [MoonWolf], I come from a family of lawyers and businessmen, I was raised to know law, and I study IP law quite a bit |
| 10:38.10 | zeeg | well OBVIOUSLY |
| 10:38.12 | [MoonWolf] | see, that is an argument you CAN use. |
| 10:38.16 | zeeg | your family are horrible lawyers |
| 10:38.21 | zeeg | because my boss is a lawyer |
| 10:38.32 | zeeg | and everything we've done, has gone through him |
| 10:38.33 | zeeg | and guess what |
| 10:38.36 | zeeg | wowguru never gets shut down |
| 10:38.45 | zeeg | and you know why? |
| 10:38.45 | Stylpe | anywaaays, Say I'm at GMT +1 , the time here is 00:05, the time at GMT is 23:05, you'd end up with -23 |
| 10:38.54 | zeeg | because i host copyrighted content, and theres not a damn thing blizzard can do |
| 10:38.57 | ckknight | <zeeg> your family are horrible lawyers |
| 10:39.00 | zeeg | and yes, the servers are in the US |
| 10:39.00 | ckknight | wtf? |
| 10:39.09 | zeeg | ckknight, well if you're using that as your backing for your knowledge |
| 10:39.12 | zeeg | they know absolutely nothing |
| 10:39.16 | zeeg | or at least they've taught you nothing |
| 10:39.22 | ckknight | you know what, fuck you |
| 10:39.42 | zeeg | why |
| 10:39.46 | zeeg | i might breaka copyright law if you do |
| 10:39.48 | zeeg | and go to jail |
| 10:39.50 | ckknight | you insult my family |
| 10:39.53 | ckknight | that's not cool |
| 10:39.55 | ckknight | you don't even know them |
| 10:39.57 | zeeg | you insult a lot of peoples families |
| 10:39.59 | zeeg | by flaming on curse gaming |
| 10:40.06 | weab | ... |
| 10:40.11 | weab | that doesnt make any sense whatsoever |
| 10:40.14 | [MoonWolf] | wait what, nobody on cures even MENTIONED family |
| 10:40.15 | zeeg | did you read the thread weab |
| 10:40.23 | zeeg | [MoonWolf], the person is part of a family |
| 10:40.28 | weab | yes, i did |
| 10:40.29 | zeeg | insulting them is insulting part of someonhes family |
| 10:40.41 | zeeg | if i ran curse |
| 10:40.49 | zeeg | it would have been deleted, and banned all of the trolls |
| 10:40.50 | zeeg | but i dont |
| 10:40.52 | zeeg | so you're all lucky |
| 10:41.01 | zeeg | hey btw |
| 10:41.05 | zeeg | may want to check www.mmofiles.com |
| 10:41.07 | Stylpe | I want to take this opportunity to remind you of #wowi-lounge's rules. I'll give you a moment to try to remember them yourself |
| 10:41.08 | zeeg | to see if im linking to any of your shit |
| 10:41.11 | zeeg | so you can sueme |
| 10:41.21 | ckknight | and now zeeg is ignored |
| 10:41.22 | zeeg | Stylpe, let me take this opportunity, to remind everyone, i dont give a shit about rules |
| 10:41.31 | ckknight | cause he doesn't know how to respect anybody |
| 10:41.31 | weab | obviously |
| 10:41.33 | Stylpe | Quoted |
| 10:41.40 | zeeg | respect anybody? |
| 10:41.46 | zeeg | look up the word hypocritcal |
| 10:41.52 | zeeg | or ask your family of genius lawyers what it means |
| 10:41.57 | Kalroth | so much love in here |
| 10:41.59 | ckknight | honestly, it is seriously not cool that you insult my family without knowing them |
| 10:42.03 | zeeg | i always bring love Kalroth, dont you know that |
| 10:42.04 | zeeg | :) |
| 10:42.08 | ckknight | I am through with you |
| 10:42.23 | zeeg | then ignore me |
| 10:42.28 | zeeg | and stop trolling on forums |
| 10:42.55 | zeeg | Anyways |
| 10:42.57 | weab | the admins were the ones that started the whole thing |
| 10:43.00 | zeeg | Copyright laws provide intellectual copyrights |
| 10:43.01 | weab | if you actually read it |
| 10:43.02 | zeeg | weab, no they werent |
| 10:43.04 | weab | yes |
| 10:43.07 | weab | they were |
| 10:43.14 | weab | they fixed the problem, that was great |
| 10:43.21 | weab | one person threw out flame bait |
| 10:43.24 | zeeg | But an intellectual copyright doesnt hold bars when you release something like a LUA script onto the internet (aka public domain). If it was compiled, perhaps, but that's still pushing it |
| 10:43.27 | weab | the admins ate it up and started the mess |
| 10:43.34 | zeeg | ok they may not have *helped* the situation |
| 10:43.36 | zeeg | but they did not start it |
| 10:43.39 | weab | they should have either ignored it or killed the thread |
| 10:43.42 | zeeg | i agree |
| 10:43.44 | zeeg | they should have killed it |
| 10:43.48 | Codayus | zeeg: You are so ignorent it causes me physical pain. Pleae stop talking. |
| 10:43.52 | weab | that's piss poor behavior for moderators |
| 10:43.52 | zeeg | but again, a lot of this crap is undeeded |
| 10:44.00 | Codayus | That's seriously the most polite way I can phrase that. :-( |
| 10:44.05 | zeeg | Codayus, good thing you can't spell ignorant huh |
| 10:44.12 | zeeg | weab, thats something that will change, dont worry |
| 10:44.20 | ckknight | for XChat users: /ignore *zeeg*@* ALL |
| 10:44.24 | weab | i'm not worried lol |
| 10:44.26 | zeeg | for any user |
| 10:44.28 | zeeg | /ignore zeeg |
| 10:44.29 | krka|work | zeeg you really suck at writing relevant replies |
| 10:44.29 | weab | just saying, the mess was their fault |
| 10:44.32 | ckknight | maybe it works for other irc clients as well |
| 10:44.33 | weab | they caused it |
| 10:44.34 | zeeg | krka, sometimes |
| 10:44.36 | Stylpe | ckknight, did you see my proof? |
| 10:44.41 | zeeg | im sick, and i noticed 2 more pages on this retarded post |
| 10:44.44 | weab | and i'm not even talking abuot them putting up his mods |
| 10:44.45 | ckknight | proof? |
| 10:44.45 | ckknight | where? |
| 10:44.49 | zeeg | they didnt cause it |
| 10:44.51 | zeeg | they fed it |
| 10:44.52 | Stylpe | Say I'm at GMT +1 , the time here is 00:05, the time at GMT is 23:05, you'd end up with -23 |
| 10:44.56 | zeeg | as did ckknight |
| 10:44.57 | weab | yes, they did |
| 10:45.00 | ckknight | hrm |
| 10:45.01 | ckknight | oh that |
| 10:45.04 | ckknight | ah |
| 10:45.05 | weab | if they ignored the comment that thread would have died on post 3 |
| 10:45.10 | ckknight | my bad. |
| 10:45.15 | ckknight | I'll work on it |
| 10:45.18 | weab | but net had to go on a rampage |
| 10:45.25 | zeeg | anyways |
| 10:45.26 | zeeg | id get pissed to |
| 10:45.30 | weab | and drejjkejaifl fed it |
| 10:45.30 | zeeg | this is me getting pissed |
| 10:45.33 | zeeg | net isnt the most professional person |
| 10:45.37 | zeeg | but i would never do it on a forum |
| 10:45.38 | Stylpe | You just have to do the same as you did with values >= 12 and do the reverst to values < 12 )( |
| 10:45.40 | Stylpe | *=) |
| 10:45.42 | weab | it'd be fine being pissed |
| 10:45.42 | zeeg | or something concrete like that |
| 10:45.45 | weab | but net's an idiot |
| 10:45.47 | zeeg | id get pissed here for example |
| 10:45.50 | Stylpe | *reverse |
| 10:45.51 | weab | for not controlling himself |
| 10:46.02 | zeeg | but when you're that kind of position it can be bad, ill agree |
| 10:47.09 | ckknight | Stylpe, I originally thought you were talking about the seconds offset, not the hours offset |
| 10:47.22 | Stylpe | oh |
| 10:47.56 | ckknight | hehe, yep |
| 10:48.12 | ckknight | wait, so I also check for < 12 or < -12? |
| 10:48.51 | zeeg | weab, ill pressure net to delete it, and hopefully the problem ends, it just irriates me when people bring up things like copyright laws and think its black and white and they're educated on the matter |
| 10:49.05 | zeeg | specifically cuz its been targetted at wowguru several times so i know how that boat floats |
| 10:49.55 | krka|work | zeeg, could you get away with hosting a copy of MS Office or something? |
| 10:50.08 | krka|work | or a mainstream hollywood movie |
| 10:50.16 | krka|work | if not, what's the legal difference? |
| 10:50.17 | zeeg | no because thats copyrighted works |
| 10:50.20 | Stylpe | < -12 |
| 10:50.22 | Stylpe | =P |
| 10:50.26 | krka|work | ... |
| 10:50.28 | zeeg | because that is actually *copyrighted* |
| 10:50.33 | krka|work | so is my code |
| 10:50.34 | zeeg | its not just "intellectual property" as they're claiming |
| 10:50.35 | zeeg | no |
| 10:50.38 | krka|work | yes it is |
| 10:50.40 | zeeg | completely different situation |
| 10:50.47 | [MoonWolf] | logically if its compiled its copyrighted but not if its not compiled..... |
| 10:50.55 | zeeg | yes somewhat |
| 10:50.58 | krka|work | that's not how it works |
| 10:50.59 | zeeg | but not quite as black and white |
| 10:51.03 | ckknight | everyone just please drop it |
| 10:51.08 | krka|work | _books_ are copyrighted and not compiled |
| 10:51.21 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (i=usr12785@80.193.211.68) |
| 10:51.23 | ckknight | he won't learn, let the topic die in peace |
| 10:51.28 | zeeg | theres no "he wont learn" |
| 10:51.29 | zeeg | your |
| 10:51.36 | zeeg | "family of lawyers" might tell you you need to learn |
| 10:51.38 | zeeg | if you actually asked them |
| 10:52.16 | Stylpe | Guys, could you take the copyright discussion to another channel? |
| 10:52.19 | zeeg | krka, now for example |
| 10:52.22 | ckknight | agreed, Stylpe |
| 10:52.31 | zeeg | if the publisher of the movie, or book, posted it on the internet, freely available to everyone |
| 10:52.33 | Stylpe | It's konda off-topic |
| 10:52.33 | ckknight | let's let this be about WoW, not about zeeg's rantings |
| 10:52.35 | Stylpe | *kinds |
| 10:52.36 | zeeg | there copyright laws would go down the sink |
| 10:52.42 | zeeg | *their |
| 10:52.44 | Stylpe | I need to learn to type on a keyboard |
| 10:52.54 | krka|work | http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wci |
| 10:52.56 | krka|work | please read that |
| 10:52.58 | zeeg | anyways, im done |
| 10:53.05 | krka|work | These categories should be viewed broadly. For example, computer programs and most "compilations" may be registered as "literary works"; maps and architectural plans may be registered as "pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works." |
| 10:53.10 | zeeg | krka, i know how copyright laws work, if you're still arguing you may want to read it |
| 10:53.29 | zeeg | but let me give you a hint |
| 10:53.31 | zeeg | keyword, registered |
| 10:53.44 | krka|work | The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. (See following Note.) There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See "Copyright Registration." |
| 10:53.57 | zeeg | There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See "Copyright Registration." |
| 10:54.04 | zeeg | you can stop pasting |
| 10:54.07 | zeeg | and continue reading |
| 10:55.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Maldivia (i=the_real@tux.nerdheaven.dk) |
| 10:55.21 | krka|work | you're basically just saying that it's easier for you to get away with it if it's not registered |
| 10:55.26 | krka|work | it's still illegal |
| 10:55.29 | zeeg | no |
| 10:55.33 | zeeg | im saying i CAN get away with it |
| 10:55.35 | zeeg | and it IS legal |
| 10:55.46 | Stylpe | Guys |
| 10:55.46 | zeeg | im saying if it was registered, i couldnt |
| 10:55.49 | zeeg | it all depends on the material |
| 10:55.55 | Stylpe | I think you missed my last message |
| 10:56.13 | zeeg | Stylpe, you cant honestly expect people to listen to you, i dont even listen to Cairenn|sleep, and she runs the place |
| 10:56.23 | Maldivia | hmm, it seems I joined in the middle of an interesting discussion |
| 10:56.30 | zeeg | Maldivia, the flaming continues on curse |
| 10:56.33 | ckknight | no, not interesting |
| 10:56.34 | zeeg | so i continue |
| 10:56.36 | zeeg | :P |
| 10:56.38 | Codayus | Maldivia: It's far less interesting that it appears, trust me. |
| 10:57.03 | zeeg | but I really do encourage, anyone who wants, to try and file a cease and decist on me, search mmofiles.com - im sure I nabbed at least one of your works |
| 10:57.10 | Maldivia | so basically, the same old discussion, that's been going on for a few days now |
| 10:57.19 | zeeg | Maldivia, yes, but it seems to keep continuing on curse |
| 10:57.22 | zeeg | so im trying to end it |
| 10:57.26 | ckknight | only this time zeeg will spew insults directed at your family |
| 10:57.27 | Wobin_ | CAn we just ban zeeg? Honestly? |
| 10:57.33 | zeeg | honesty |
| 10:57.34 | zeeg | you could |
| 10:57.35 | ckknight | Wobin_, I agree |
| 10:57.35 | Stylpe | zeeg, so you're admitting to harassing me and the other peeps in this channel? |
| 10:57.36 | weab | you're trying to end it by not shutting up about it? |
| 10:57.37 | weab | :P |
| 10:57.39 | [MoonWolf] | he is ending it by keeping it up... logical aye |
| 10:57.44 | Wobin_ | He's already stated he cares not for the rules. |
| 10:57.49 | zeeg | weab, it wont end if i shut up |
| 10:57.58 | Wobin_ | Sure it will |
| 10:57.58 | zeeg | because it will continue on curse |
| 10:58.05 | Wobin_ | But you'll have shut up |
| 10:58.07 | weab | .. |
| 10:58.09 | Stylpe | I'm just concerned about this channel |
| 10:58.10 | Wobin_ | And everyone will be happy |
| 10:58.13 | zeeg | and its these specific people (and seems to only be people from here) who continue it |
| 10:58.19 | weab | you think it will end if you don't shut up too? |
| 10:58.33 | zeeg | weab, probably not, but maybe someone will end up educated |
| 10:58.36 | ckknight | stop propagating the problems |
| 10:58.49 | weab | anyway |
| 10:58.56 | weab | did you actually read the last post or two |
| 10:58.58 | weab | it already looks over |
| 10:59.10 | weab | darjk resigned, all the "flamers" are probably satisfied |
| 10:59.11 | [MoonWolf] | it is over. |
| 10:59.13 | ckknight | yea, we agreed not to post any more |
| 10:59.22 | zeeg | darjk had nothing to do with it, but anyways |
| 10:59.44 | [MoonWolf] | noo darjk had nothing to do with it, that is why he was the only curse poster for 2 pages.... |
| 11:00.19 | [MoonWolf] | and that is also why silver apologized for darjk's behaviour. |
| 11:00.28 | ckknight | because of his lack of apology and admittance to wrongdoing, it continued on for so long |
| 11:00.32 | Wobin_ | darjk unfortunately was unprofessional |
| 11:00.34 | ckknight | Silver cleared things up |
| 11:00.57 | Wobin_ | In his execution as a moderator |
| 11:01.07 | Wobin_ | By bringing in personal opinion |
| 11:01.16 | zeeg | ok |
| 11:01.17 | zeeg | anyways |
| 11:01.21 | zeeg | that wasnt what i was referring to |
| 11:01.21 | zeeg | sorry |
| 11:01.33 | weab | which is what i've been saying. the moderators sucked balls on this one |
| 11:01.43 | Wobin_ | Indeed |
| 11:01.45 | zeeg | that still doesnt make the users right |
| 11:01.46 | zeeg | :) |
| 11:01.54 | weab | it doesnt have to |
| 11:02.20 | Wobin_ | Most of the argument has been over the actual way Darjk replied. |
| 11:02.33 | Wobin_ | Not the whole copyright business |
| 11:02.41 | zeeg | i skimmed through |
| 11:02.43 | Wobin_ | If you can actually read between the lines |
| 11:02.46 | zeeg | mostly seeing ckknight post about copyright laws |
| 11:02.47 | zeeg | and some other crap |
| 11:02.57 | Wobin_ | Well, I'm glad you have an informed opinion |
| 11:03.02 | Wobin_ | Since you worked so hard for it |
| 11:03.06 | weab | the copyright stuff was mostly something to latch on so both sides could argue with one another |
| 11:03.16 | ckknight | pretty much, weab |
| 11:03.17 | weab | users arguing is great, that's why forums exist. that's fun. |
| 11:03.22 | weab | moderators arguing, is stupid. |
| 11:03.48 | ckknight | Stylpe, committed ClockFu |
| 11:03.56 | Stylpe | :D |
| 11:04.07 | Stylpe | Glad I could help |
| 11:12.11 | *** join/#wowi-lounge NeT (n=net@dslb-088-064-176-025.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:12.28 | zeeg | hey net |
| 11:12.36 | NeT | hi there |
| 11:12.49 | zeeg | you missed the conversation about curse :P |
| 11:13.19 | NeT | doh |
| 11:13.20 | zeeg | ckknight, i do have one question though |
| 11:13.31 | zeeg | ckknight, why cant you sue google for hosting "cached" versions of your website? |
| 11:13.46 | NeT | this post went way to far anyway it s silly |
| 11:14.03 | [MoonWolf] | no kidding. |
| 11:14.08 | [MoonWolf] | get rid of it. |
| 11:14.08 | weab | dude seriously |
| 11:14.13 | weab | leave it alone zeeg ;p |
| 11:14.17 | zeeg | im serious |
| 11:14.18 | zeeg | i want to know |
| 11:14.33 | weab | try /msg ckknight |
| 11:14.33 | zeeg | if you can sue someone for hosting "code" (LUA) but cant sue someone for hosting "markup" (HTML), whats the difference? |
| 11:14.42 | zeeg | thats no fun, cant have a nice open debate in pm |
| 11:14.50 | weab | exactly. |
| 11:14.56 | zeeg | i want to sue google for caching my secret htmlz ;) |
| 11:14.56 | [MoonWolf] | actually if I remember correctly there were cases of suing google, what happend with them I dont know. |
| 11:15.04 | zeeg | just like sueing google for their book site |
| 11:15.07 | zeeg | thats a little riskier |
| 11:15.11 | zeeg | [MoonWolf], google won |
| 11:15.24 | zeeg | i think i remember google losing one case |
| 11:15.26 | zeeg | i dont remember what about |
| 11:15.28 | NeT | i d like to speak with Hyperactivechipmunk he is here ? |
| 11:15.43 | ckknight | he's sleepy, NeT |
| 11:15.44 | [MoonWolf] | yes, under sedatedChipmunk |
| 11:15.44 | weab | he went to bed some time ago |
| 11:15.46 | zeeg | maybe it ws something related to google video |
| 11:15.50 | krka|work | if you can sue someone for hosting movies but can't sue someone for hosting code, what's the difference? |
| 11:15.55 | NeT | allright thank you |
| 11:16.14 | zeeg | krka, falls under a different category, didnt you read that link you pasted to me |
| 11:16.43 | zeeg | ACTUALLY |
| 11:16.53 | zeeg | google hosts the files too technically in their cache |
| 11:16.58 | zeeg | not just the html |
| 11:17.06 | zeeg | although it'd be trickier to find the link |
| 11:17.09 | weab | do you know what's cooler than debates about copyright laws |
| 11:17.10 | NeT | o by the way Darjk left curse this night due to this post i think it s sad |
| 11:17.13 | weab | fuzzy dice |
| 11:17.21 | zeeg | fuzzy dice |
| 11:17.24 | zeeg | why not fuzzy handcuffs |
| 11:17.34 | weab | fuzzy handcuffs are like a whole nother level |
| 11:17.41 | Maldivia | zeeg: google's cache only contains the generated html file, all links to images etc are to the original site |
| 11:17.45 | weab | you want to step up slowly |
| 11:17.55 | zeeg | Maldivia, they cache images |
| 11:18.13 | Maldivia | zeeg: no they don't, they cache thumbnails of images, in their image search |
| 11:18.52 | zeeg | so they cache a modified version of the image :) |
| 11:19.20 | Maldivia | Yes, and they are within their rights to do so |
| 11:19.26 | Maldivia | even for copyrighted images |
| 11:19.55 | zeeg | ya i know |
| 11:19.59 | zeeg | i didnt say they werent |
| 11:20.04 | zeeg | was just trying to make the other people understand |
| 11:20.30 | zeeg | bunnies |
| 11:20.31 | zeeg | O.o |
| 11:20.31 | Miravlix | Hmm, I don't think Copyright prevents you from having a copy of something |
| 11:20.53 | zeeg | it doesnt |
| 11:21.24 | weab | so who's desperate enough to buy their very own wii when it's whipped out? |
| 11:21.25 | Kirkburn | Okay from now on, any time you want to say "copyright" replace it with "chocolate" before you end the sentence. Perhaps we can make it stop that way :) |
| 11:21.35 | zeeg | wii? |
| 11:21.37 | Kirkburn | I wanna play with me Wii! |
| 11:21.42 | Maldivia | There's a clause in the copyright law, that permits you to host/distribute samples, such as the 30secs of sound on most online music stores etc, and thumbnails of images |
| 11:21.44 | zeeg | So chocolate laws are pretty fun eh? |
| 11:21.48 | weab | http://revolution.nintendo.com |
| 11:21.56 | Stylpe | weab, I will =) |
| 11:22.00 | Kalroth | mom, I gotta wii! |
| 11:22.02 | Kirkburn | Hell yeah, zeeg =) |
| 11:22.06 | krka|work | both code and movies fall under being copyrightable |
| 11:22.09 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: I wan't one... so N Wii'ous... :) |
| 11:22.14 | Miravlix | Don't forget we are dealing with international law here so Copyright law is not a unified thing |
| 11:22.21 | zeeg | some people learn how chocolate works |
| 11:22.24 | Kirkburn | Chocolate Law, Miravlix |
| 11:22.43 | weab | i wonder if they'll make a chocolate wii. |
| 11:22.51 | weab | man wouldn't that be good? |
| 11:22.51 | zeeg | Wii!? |
| 11:23.05 | Miravlix | Allmost anything you create from a forum post to a haiku poem is copyrighted |
| 11:23.05 | Kalroth | weeeeeeee! gonads and strife! |
| 11:23.05 | weab | i linked you already |
| 11:23.06 | Maldivia | Miravlix: true, but here we're mostly dealing with US and EU copyright law, which are not the same, but have a lot in common |
| 11:23.08 | Kirkburn | (and yes, chocolate law is very murky and few can profess to be an expert on it, so unless we have a test case we CANNOT have definite opinions on it) |
| 11:23.09 | weab | http://revolution.nintendo.com/ |
| 11:23.10 | [MoonWolf] | revolution will be named Wii! |
| 11:23.13 | zeeg | oh |
| 11:23.13 | zeeg | duh |
| 11:23.19 | zeeg | wtf |
| 11:23.20 | zeeg | Wii |
| 11:23.23 | zeeg | kidding right |
| 11:23.26 | [MoonWolf] | no |
| 11:23.28 | zeeg | maybe they missed April 1st |
| 11:23.31 | Kirkburn | Heh |
| 11:23.32 | Maldivia | N Wii :) |
| 11:23.37 | zenzelezz | "Hey, I heard you got yourself a new Wii" |
| 11:23.39 | Kirkburn | I don't think it's that bad |
| 11:23.52 | zeeg | i dont like it :p |
| 11:23.56 | [MoonWolf] | During the french Wii, a lot of people lost their heads. |
| 11:23.57 | NeT | ugly name |
| 11:23.57 | Kirkburn | Once we get over the jokes, that is |
| 11:24.18 | NeT | i don t see myself spelling wii in french |
| 11:24.20 | weab | mom can my friends come over for a slumber party? we're going to play with our wii's all night |
| 11:24.20 | Kalroth | "<Sarah> mom, I'm going over to Brian to play on his wii" |
| 11:24.31 | [MoonWolf] | oh god. |
| 11:24.33 | zeeg | or stutter |
| 11:24.36 | zeeg | wii-wii |
| 11:24.37 | zeeg | haha |
| 11:24.44 | zeeg | sarah needs a lisp |
| 11:24.46 | Kirkburn | How is "Dreamcast" "Playstation" "Dolphin" etc any better? |
| 11:24.55 | zeeg | cuz they're longer |
| 11:24.56 | weab | it's not slang for piss |
| 11:24.57 | Maldivia | don't forget xbox.. |
| 11:25.00 | [MoonWolf] | because well. its no wii |
| 11:25.00 | zeeg | and dont sound weird |
| 11:25.01 | weab | or penis |
| 11:25.01 | Kirkburn | (I admit, revolution actually meant something :) |
| 11:25.05 | zeeg | they're all "words" |
| 11:25.43 | Kalroth | I wonder if the Wii remote will feature a rumble pack, that could get interesting |
| 11:25.44 | [MoonWolf] | marketing is doing all those cool things these days |
| 11:25.55 | [MoonWolf] | first monad get renamed to SuperShell |
| 11:25.59 | [MoonWolf] | powershell* |
| 11:26.00 | weab | although to be honest i have to agree, none of the other consoles have good names either |
| 11:26.06 | [MoonWolf] | now revolution gets to be called wii |
| 11:26.08 | Stylpe | The 1.10 interface version is 11000, right? Just making sure |
| 11:26.09 | weab | they're just not that abd |
| 11:26.15 | NeT | yes stylpe |
| 11:26.18 | [MoonWolf] | Stylpe, yes. |
| 11:26.18 | Kirkburn | Heh, well they could've gone with HyperShell |
| 11:26.26 | Kalroth | what do you mean?! xbox 360 is waaaay k00l, dudez! |
| 11:26.30 | [MoonWolf] | they could have kept calling it monad. |
| 11:26.41 | [MoonWolf] | cause that actually ment something, and it wasnt cheesy. |
| 11:27.00 | Kirkburn | 1.11 will be 11100. And 1.12 will be 11110? :P |
| 11:27.17 | [MoonWolf] | possibly |
| 11:27.21 | Kirkburn | Unless you base yourself on the 400 degree circle Kalroth |
| 11:27.28 | Kalroth | no, 1.11 will be 11100, 1.12 will be 11200 :) |
| 11:27.40 | Kirkburn | In which case it's not even a full turn. And yes, I was joking about 1.12 :P |
| 11:27.45 | Kalroth | oh |
| 11:27.54 | Kalroth | I wont ask about the 400 deg circle then :p |
| 11:27.59 | Maldivia | binary jokes ftw :) |
| 11:28.11 | Stylpe | ckknight, you still here? |
| 11:28.13 | Kirkburn | That wasn't a joke, still in use in Germany and France sometimes |
| 11:28.18 | zeeg | lol |
| 11:28.19 | zeeg | i like moan |
| 11:28.21 | zeeg | monad |
| 11:28.26 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: well both Germany and France is a joke .. :) |
| 11:28.38 | Kirkburn | (a remnant of the french revolution and the metricisation stuff) |
| 11:29.04 | Kirkburn | zeeg, I think you talk too much :P Well... Moan too much. |
| 11:29.09 | zeeg | lol |
| 11:29.09 | ckknight | yea, Stylpe |
| 11:29.23 | Miravlix | 11100 = 1.11 11200 = 1.12 |
| 11:29.27 | Stylpe | okay, one moment |
| 11:29.38 | Miravlix | 10900 = 1.9 |
| 11:29.42 | Kirkburn | Yes thankyou, I think I already estblished I was joking Miravlix =) |
| 11:30.07 | Kirkburn | (you probably weren't even addressing that to me) |
| 11:30.25 | Stylpe | okay. Is there a set naming conventions for addons that only optionally use FuBar? |
| 11:30.38 | Kirkburn | FuBar - AddonFu iirc? |
| 11:30.50 | Kirkburn | Oh, optionally |
| 11:30.52 | Miravlix | AddonFU is more for dedicated FU addons |
| 11:30.55 | Stylpe | Yep =) |
| 11:31.08 | Stylpe | and convention* |
| 11:31.12 | Kirkburn | Er, AddonOptionallyFu? |
| 11:31.17 | Stylpe | lol |
| 11:31.20 | Miravlix | I wouldn't use it in an addon that exist with optional support for something |
| 11:31.29 | Kirkburn | PartiallyFuAddon? |
| 11:31.50 | Kirkburn | I agree with Miravlix |
| 11:31.55 | Kalroth | TotallyFuAddon? |
| 11:32.02 | Maldivia | Hmm, you should make a RT_RA Emergency Monitor rippoff for FuBar, and call it BahBuhFu ? |
| 11:32.02 | Miravlix | There isn't really a naming way of doing an addon that has optional support for stuff |
| 11:32.06 | Maldivia | CT_RA* |
| 11:32.30 | Miravlix | ShardTrackerChronosSeaSkySeaHookSeaSpellbook |
| 11:32.34 | Miravlix | ShardTrackerChronosSeaSkySeaHookSeaSpellbookKhaos |
| 11:32.34 | krka|work | i'll have to carefully select and include a license with my addons in the future, and clearly state that i get to decide who can distribute it |
| 11:32.43 | Kalroth | What if you make an addon for both CTRA, Fu and Titan?! FuCTRATitanClock! |
| 11:32.53 | Miravlix | Makes little sense naming an addon due to what it can optionally support |
| 11:33.12 | Kalroth | krka|work: Doesn't matter, in the end it's who can afford laywers. :) |
| 11:33.16 | Kirkburn | AddonThisAddonHasAnOptionalDependencyForFuBarWhichYouCanUseIfYouWantButDon'tHaveToALthoughYouAlsoNeedAceForFuBarSoYouShouldInstallThatToo |
| 11:33.56 | ckknight | ? |
| 11:34.01 | Kirkburn | "lawyers" = "bananas" from now on |
| 11:34.19 | Kalroth | krka|work: that's why I like the public domain license, I can publish stuff and never bother with it again :) |
| 11:34.19 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: ...UnlessYouGoForTheEmbeddedVersionOfAceInWhichCaseYouDon'tNeedToDownLoadAceSinceIt'sAlreadyPartOfTheAddOn |
| 11:34.38 | ckknight | Maldivia, not yet |
| 11:34.53 | Maldivia | ckknight, I'm a fortune teller :) |
| 11:34.55 | Kirkburn | Basically to test chocolate law we'd need a test case. Which we won't get, unless someone has determined bananas :) |
| 11:35.07 | Miravlix | Yeah, optional support is something you mention in the description on the download site. |
| 11:35.10 | ckknight | fortune teller? |
| 11:35.17 | ckknight | we've been talking about it for a while on wowace |
| 11:35.25 | ckknight | Stylpe, I document the naming the naming convention in README.txt |
| 11:35.45 | Maldivia | ckknight: I know :9 |
| 11:36.03 | Miravlix | krka: Unless you can afford sueing someone over free software, why go to all the trouble? |
| 11:36.14 | Stylpe | ckknight, it doesn't mention mods that only OPTIONALLY support FuBar |
| 11:36.24 | Miravlix | It's free, it isn't going to matter how people use it |
| 11:36.35 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: Not to mention that the cost of bananas is much, much higher than the development of any chocolate. :) |
| 11:36.40 | Stylpe | KIC isn't a FuBar plugin per se, but it will use it if available |
| 11:36.48 | Kirkburn | Open source always includes the licence no matter the size/complexity of the program |
| 11:37.01 | Kirkburn | (and whether or not it's free) |
| 11:37.17 | Kirkburn | Yeah, bananas cost far far too much |
| 11:37.17 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: There isn't much chocolate out there that's worth the effort for a banana. |
| 11:37.38 | ckknight | Stylpe, then you keep it the name it is, and have an object in there called ThingFu |
| 11:37.46 | krka|work | would anyone want to have buttons that moved around by themselves? |
| 11:37.50 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: but they can be used for all sort of.... fun things... |
| 11:37.59 | Kirkburn | I wonder how many bananas specialise in chocolate law ... |
| 11:37.59 | krka|work | (following the rule you set yourself, that is) |
| 11:38.18 | Kalroth | I think it'd be cool if I had to catch the taunt button everytime I need it |
| 11:38.18 | Stylpe | ckknight, you think I should split it into two addons then? |
| 11:38.30 | Maldivia | krka: Like the "Secrets of Mana" addon ? |
| 11:38.34 | krka|work | not really |
| 11:38.40 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: There can't be a huge market for it :) |
| 11:38.52 | Kirkburn | Try looking at BmRecLevel for how he did it |
| 11:38.53 | ckknight | Stylpe, no |
| 11:38.57 | ckknight | Stylpe, that's not what I said |
| 11:38.59 | krka|work | actually not sure what i am thinking :P |
| 11:39.09 | Maldivia | I can't help to think that that SelectionRing mod is really cool, although I would never use it myself |
| 11:39.18 | Kirkburn | The RecLevel window comes up with an option to turn on the titan panel addon, from where you can turn off the RecLevel panel |
| 11:39.19 | Kalroth | krka|work: common scandinavian thing. :) |
| 11:40.15 | krka|work | just basically have something like this: x, y = CustomCondition, where you set that yourself.... i.e. CustomCondition ="self.baseX, self.baseY + self:getCooldown()" |
| 11:40.24 | krka|work | same for size |
| 11:41.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@208.104.133.240) |
| 11:41.27 | krka|work | like.... CustomSize = "self.baseSize / (math.max(1, self:GetManaCost() - UnitMana("player"))" |
| 11:41.48 | krka|work | so, fullsize when you can afford it, and then it scales smaller |
| 11:41.57 | Miravlix | It's a good idea to include some general advice on forking your project, some people might have a different of opinion from you, but are willing to follow your rules if you tell them what it is. |
| 11:42.03 | Stylpe | Maybe I can call it KeepItCool(Fu)? |
| 11:42.14 | Miravlix | But if you include some lawyer speak license, most wont understand it |
| 11:42.18 | Kirkburn | That still suggest a FuBar requirement |
| 11:42.31 | Kirkburn | Aaah, Miravlix keeps speaking the forbidden word! |
| 11:42.49 | krka|work | I reserve the right to make an addon called WhatTheFu |
| 11:43.05 | Kirkburn | krka|work, please do :) |
| 11:43.05 | Stylpe | I reserve the right to make an addon called ToFu |
| 11:43.21 | Maldivia | well, the day I see a fu-fme addon, I'm running away scared! |
| 11:43.24 | Kirkburn | ckknight won't allow FuYou by his rules though :( |
| 11:43.45 | Kirkburn | He's ... Bossy! Geddit! |
| 11:44.05 | Miravlix | MotherFU |
| 11:44.07 | ckknight | ToFu will likely be a Todo list thing |
| 11:44.09 | Maldivia | (for those unfamiliar with fu-fme, http://www.fu-fme.com ) |
| 11:44.12 | ckknight | if someone makes it |
| 11:44.30 | Maldivia | ToFu or not ToFu... |
| 11:44.47 | Kirkburn | FuFu ... the addon for poodles |
| 11:44.49 | Miravlix | thats a Japanese dish |
| 11:45.48 | Kirkburn | Your mother is a Japanese dish? |
| 11:45.52 | Miravlix | FuManChu |
| 11:46.05 | Miravlix | Kirkburn: Cut back on the sugar. |
| 11:46.22 | Kirkburn | But I'm so sweet! |
| 11:46.51 | Maldivia | ... that would be sweet and sour... |
| 11:47.19 | Miravlix | I asume someone has already made KongFU? |
| 11:47.21 | Kirkburn | Sour sugar? Odd ... |
| 11:47.33 | Stylpe | Miravlix, KungFu actually |
| 11:47.52 | Miravlix | Sour/Sweet sause for chinese food |
| 11:48.10 | Kirkburn | I'm saucy? |
| 11:48.26 | [MoonWolf] | yes very. |
| 11:48.33 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 11:48.40 | Maldivia | well, if KungFu is taken, there's always GungFu, GongFu, ChuanFu and other ways to spell it :) |
| 11:48.43 | Miravlix | No, but I think you need to sit down and watch the same cartoon 10 times in a row |
| 11:48.47 | ckknight | SnaFu |
| 11:49.18 | Kirkburn | I may be weird, but at least we've stopped talking about Bananas and Chocolate. And that's a disturbing image [MoonWolf] ... |
| 11:49.39 | Kirkburn | ckknight, would that be the intentionally breaking the WoW UI addon? |
| 11:50.36 | Miravlix | I upgraded Khaos, nothing short of a WoW crash effects Khaos now, was really cool. |
| 11:50.37 | Kirkburn | I know how much the denizens of this godforsaken channel love breaking stuff... |
| 11:50.50 | Miravlix | Though it was something I needed SetErrorHandler to do |
| 11:51.02 | Kirkburn | Cool Miravlix |
| 11:51.03 | Miravlix | But it was simply a matter of using pcall |
| 11:51.19 | Maldivia | so... there's FU now... and when version 2 comes out, we'll have FU2 ? :) |
| 11:51.34 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 11:51.59 | Kirkburn | You want to watch this: http://www.firefoxflicks.com/flick/index.php?id=19542&c=false |
| 11:53.02 | Miravlix | Baah, I thought it was some foxy porn |
| 11:53.16 | Maldivia | Wheeee... |
| 11:53.22 | Kirkburn | Wheeeeeeeeeeee!! |
| 11:53.26 | Maldivia | I laugh every time I see it :) |
| 11:53.43 | Osagasu | cute. |
| 11:53.49 | Osagasu | WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! |
| 11:53.54 | Stylpe | I like the Safari character the most =) |
| 11:54.05 | Stylpe | "Pbltbltbltblt" |
| 11:54.11 | Osagasu | Notice there was no Opera |
| 11:54.12 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 11:54.24 | Osagasu | Vive Le Opera |
| 11:54.35 | Kirkburn | Zut Alors! |
| 12:14.37 | NeT | ahh il y a quand meme des fr ou quebecois ici =) |
| 12:15.57 | Kalroth | ahh, we're being invaded by frenchies! |
| 12:16.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Josh_Borke (n=Josh@antimatter.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 12:17.16 | Josh_Borke | good morning all :-) |
| 12:18.01 | Kalroth | g'morning Josh |
| 12:18.29 | Maldivia | hmm, må hellere starte en Skandinavisk kontra-invasion så... |
| 12:19.14 | NeT | jag tallar svenska |
| 12:19.38 | NeT | or maybe it was talar i don t remember .P |
| 12:19.48 | NeT | lived in sweden for 4 months heh |
| 12:21.28 | haste | Maldivia: føler meg enig :) |
| 12:21.56 | [MoonWolf] | Ik heb een verschikkelijke hekel aan mensen die spontaan vreemde talen gaan spreken op het net, kunnen ze het niet gewoon engels laten ? |
| 12:22.13 | Stylpe | Skandinavisk viking-invasjon :D |
| 12:22.38 | NeT | what langague is this moon |
| 12:22.43 | [MoonWolf] | Dutch. |
| 12:22.47 | NeT | allright |
| 12:23.06 | Kalroth | it's not dutch, it's potato-in-mouth language! |
| 12:23.09 | NeT | i know french english spanish and some german since i m living in germany atm |
| 12:23.15 | NeT | but not dutch .P |
| 12:24.06 | [MoonWolf] | its not that hard, its only one of the most complicated western languages being spoken right now. |
| 12:25.30 | Kalroth | danish is harder :) |
| 12:25.43 | [MoonWolf] | I dont know, I only know one word of danish. |
| 12:26.09 | Stylpe | I only want to learn japanese. Now, excuse me, I have to go Wii |
| 12:26.10 | Kalroth | danish and dutch is very similar when spoken, but very different when written |
| 12:26.27 | NeT | i lost öy wii ./ |
| 12:26.32 | [MoonWolf] | I know, now if only I UNDERSTOOD the words. |
| 12:27.11 | NeT | french stay the most beautiful langague out there .P |
| 12:27.41 | haste | I also want to learn japanese :o |
| 12:27.53 | [MoonWolf] | I had an uncle who had a farm there for a couple of years. when I visited I was alway a fingerlenght away of understanding what people were talking about. |
| 12:29.43 | NeT | Where are you from Möön |
| 12:30.19 | [MoonWolf] | The netherlands. |
| 12:30.27 | NeT | ok |
| 12:31.08 | [MoonWolf] | .nl top level domain. |
| 12:32.39 | [MoonWolf] | and that sentence translates roughly into : "I hate it when people start talking other languages on the net, why cant they keep it to english" |
| 12:33.57 | Maldivia | I can somewhat read Dutch, because it's so similarto Danish and English... but when spoken - pass... |
| 12:34.02 | Kirkburn | Any italian speakers? (I'm not italian, but it's where I am) |
| 12:34.21 | Tain | "I'm sorry Mario, our princess is in another castle." |
| 12:34.40 | Kirkburn | Itsa me, Mario! |
| 12:34.41 | Tain | That's the only Italian I know. |
| 12:35.00 | Kalroth | ciao! |
| 12:35.34 | Kirkburn | It's like being outside talking to italians ... |
| 12:35.35 | Net | Kirkburn si cosa posso fare per aiutarti? |
| 12:35.52 | Kalroth | italian alternative dictionary is good if you're out partying! |
| 12:36.02 | Kalroth | ( http://www.notam02.no/~hcholm/altlang/ht/Italian.1.html ) |
| 12:36.05 | Kirkburn | Ooh, Net speaks four languages like me (yes?) |
| 12:36.24 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: does l33t count as a language? |
| 12:36.29 | Tain | I only speak American. |
| 12:36.35 | Kirkburn | My french is crap though, even though I did it for 8 years :s |
| 12:36.37 | Net | i speak a bit of everything .P i have been all around in the europe for some months |
| 12:36.49 | Kirkburn | Kalroth, no. Just. No. |
| 12:36.58 | Maldivia | I speak Danish, German and English - so 3 languages for me |
| 12:37.08 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: 0k, y n0t??? |
| 12:37.23 | Kalroth | ick! |
| 12:38.43 | Kirkburn | Now don't make me splode more heads, I don't have an unlimited supply ... |
| 12:39.17 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: just explode other people's heads ? |
| 12:39.42 | Kirkburn | Genius! |
| 12:39.59 | Kirkburn | I know who's top of my list |
| 12:40.22 | Tain | But why Maggie Thatcher? She's such a nice lady. |
| 12:41.16 | [MoonWolf] | if only 1337 had more spoken elements |
| 12:42.52 | Maldivia | [MoonWolf]: hmm, does say "lol" instead of laughing count ? |
| 12:43.09 | [MoonWolf] | not in dutch |
| 12:43.10 | Tain | It should be punishable by death. |
| 12:43.13 | [MoonWolf] | lol is a word here |
| 12:43.17 | [MoonWolf] | it means fun. |
| 12:43.20 | [MoonWolf] | :P |
| 12:43.21 | Maldivia | lol |
| 12:43.23 | [MoonWolf] | not kidding. |
| 12:43.24 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 12:43.53 | Kirkburn | Co-inkydink? |
| 12:44.17 | krka|work | lol |
| 12:44.27 | Kirkburn | (er, coincidence, for the non english people) |
| 12:44.48 | [MoonWolf] | for those who really dont beleive me. try babblefish. |
| 12:44.49 | Kalroth | Maldivia: it's ok to end all your sentences with lol though, lol |
| 12:44.56 | Kirkburn | Lol, BBC have got a news story up about the Wii jokes ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4953650.stm |
| 12:44.59 | Kalroth | Maldivia: because it shows that you're having fun, lol |
| 12:45.06 | Kirkburn | Yes, lol |
| 12:45.13 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: lol |
| 12:45.21 | Kirkburn | Lollapalooza! |
| 12:45.30 | Kalroth | that was actually only a nickname and a lol, but that's apparently ok too, lol |
| 12:45.31 | Kirkburn | "Eat, Sleep, and Wii" |
| 12:45.54 | Tain | ~x nl en lol |
| 12:46.00 | [MoonWolf] | see |
| 12:46.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cide (i=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 12:47.13 | Kirkburn | Hey Cide |
| 12:47.18 | Cide | hi |
| 12:47.46 | Maldivia | Cide: you missed the attempt of a scandinavian invasion :| |
| 12:47.55 | Cide | aw. |
| 12:48.00 | Kirkburn | It was pretty short-lived ... |
| 12:48.24 | Kirkburn | And that's an exaggeration :) |
| 12:48.30 | Maldivia | United Wii stand... |
| 12:48.32 | Cide | fear the wrath of scandinavia |
| 12:48.40 | Kirkburn | But hey, you managed it with the UK several times |
| 12:48.55 | Tain | It really is a horrible name for a console. |
| 12:48.58 | Cide | I threaten our guild with the wrath of sweden when they are being silly! |
| 12:49.09 | Maldivia | Tain: but it's a wiideo game console... |
| 12:49.30 | Tain | For two specific reasons. One, gamers will make fun of it and that's not an audience you want extra bad press from. |
| 12:49.42 | Tain | Two, parents will mispronounce it when they try to buy it. |
| 12:49.44 | Kirkburn | Better than the wrath of finland (which isn't strictly Scandinavia, i know) ... people will just think of being hit by Nokia fones. |
| 12:49.58 | Tain | And that's not an audience (the ones paying for most of them) you want to confuse. |
| 12:50.08 | [MoonWolf] | I would like to buy one of those eeuh weee things. you can play games on them.... |
| 12:50.24 | Kirkburn | How can you mis-pronounce Wii |
| 12:50.32 | Kirkburn | It's "we" |
| 12:50.39 | Kirkburn | Which is the same as "wee" |
| 12:50.41 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: Wrath of Danes: lego fight... Wrath of Swedes: ericsson phones... Wrath of Finnes: nokia phones... |
| 12:50.42 | Kirkburn | And "wi" |
| 12:50.49 | [MoonWolf] | Kirkburn, how can you mispronounce xbox or playstation. |
| 12:50.53 | Tain | Go back to yesterday and see the people making jokes just in here rhyming it to, "why" |
| 12:51.10 | Kirkburn | Ah, I see Tain |
| 12:51.14 | [MoonWolf] | WWRRRYYYYYYYY! |
| 12:51.43 | Kirkburn | If someone pronounces it Wii, they're grasp on grammar isn't too good (whatever language they speak, generally) |
| 12:51.47 | Kirkburn | *why |
| 12:51.52 | Tain | Why do you say that? |
| 12:52.03 | Kirkburn | Actually scratch that |
| 12:52.10 | Qaarh | Weee |
| 12:52.15 | Qaarh | and go Sweden! :) |
| 12:52.19 | Kirkburn | Tain, I agree with you :) |
| 12:52.48 | Tain | Now don't get me wrong, I'll still end up buying one most likely. |
| 12:52.51 | Tain | At some point. |
| 12:52.51 | Kirkburn | (look, I changed my position! Shocking! People can use new information to form a new opinion!) |
| 12:52.53 | [MoonWolf] | Go Koningkrijk der nederlanden! |
| 12:53.52 | Maldivia | Just the fact, that you can play almost all game for previous consoles on it... |
| 12:54.03 | Maldivia | NES and SNES ftw!! :) |
| 12:54.16 | [MoonWolf] | but does it play...... gameboy games ? |
| 12:54.17 | netcurse | my dad destroyed my nes |
| 12:54.39 | [MoonWolf] | vengeance |
| 12:54.51 | Tain | That's the funny thing, backwards compatability with the GameCube I don't care about at all. But support for NES and SNES! That I'd pay for. |
| 12:54.52 | netcurse | i don t think he was enjoying his 7 years old son playing games |
| 12:54.52 | netcurse | .P |
| 12:55.07 | Tain | My mother once threw our NES down the stairs. |
| 12:55.07 | Maldivia | [MoonWolf]: well, considering you can get a dongle for snes to play GB games on a snes, I guess so... gameboy advanced: no idea |
| 12:55.27 | netcurse | my mother was removing the game pads all the time |
| 12:55.27 | netcurse | lol |
| 12:55.49 | netcurse | * you ll get them back when i ll hear good news from your school* |
| 12:55.52 | [MoonWolf] | scarred for life |
| 12:55.56 | Tain | We might have done something to deserve it, my brothers and I. I'm not sure. |
| 12:57.07 | Maldivia | hmm, make me want to play a game of Ufouria... |
| 12:59.48 | Cide | http://www.maximize.nu/scepter.jpg <- wow |
| 13:00.16 | netcurse | ya impressive |
| 13:00.33 | netcurse | real itemisation progress for healing class since ages |
| 13:00.34 | Tain | Obviously a Hunter weapon. |
| 13:00.36 | [MoonWolf] | bad dps |
| 13:00.37 | Cide | clearly |
| 13:00.44 | Cide | who cares about dps as a healer? :) |
| 13:00.51 | Josh_Borke | i do! |
| 13:00.55 | Cide | mobs mock us when we hit them :( |
| 13:00.57 | [MoonWolf] | josh does |
| 13:01.08 | Josh_Borke | HOLY CRAP! i want that! |
| 13:01.21 | Kalroth | I want to DE that :) |
| 13:01.26 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 13:01.30 | Maldivia | that's just sick! |
| 13:01.31 | Tain | My Rogue would use it as a backup mace for stunning. |
| 13:01.32 | Kalroth | or even better, put it on a mace spec rogue |
| 13:01.33 | [MoonWolf] | I want to SELL it. |
| 13:01.43 | Cide | I want to DESTROY it |
| 13:01.54 | Tain | It's there for me to poop on! |
| 13:01.54 | Josh_Borke | wow, does that item have the most +heal on it? |
| 13:02.10 | Cide | not sure |
| 13:02.13 | Maldivia | and I thought Fang of Korialstrasz was insane... |
| 13:02.20 | Cide | yep, I just checked out fang |
| 13:02.31 | Cide | +3 mana/5 +67 healing +1 sta +5 int (prophet) versus +13 spi (fang) |
| 13:02.38 | [MoonWolf] | what is it with all the strasz names. |
| 13:02.44 | Cide | dragons :) |
| 13:02.57 | Kalroth | it's the suffix for dragons, yeah :) |
| 13:03.54 | farpen | hmm is there some place where one can see all spells a certain class has? |
| 13:03.57 | Cide | hmm, I don't get this |
| 13:04.11 | Kalroth | groll: thottbot |
| 13:04.11 | Cide | groll: http://wow.allakhazam.com ? :) |
| 13:04.16 | Josh_Borke | yea, that weapon wins |
| 13:04.22 | Josh_Borke | by 44 +heal |
| 13:04.28 | Josh_Borke | it's already on alla |
| 13:04.28 | groll | Cide bah :P |
| 13:04.43 | Cide | it wins by a LOT |
| 13:04.47 | groll | ahh hehe wowwiki ofcourse ;P |
| 13:04.50 | Maldivia | item level 84... same as dark edge of insanity... |
| 13:04.50 | Cide | add in sartura's might as offhand |
| 13:04.55 | Kalroth | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21134 is a lot more interesting. :) |
| 13:05.14 | Cide | lies |
| 13:05.27 | Kalroth | especially when I can catch little soft clothies with it! |
| 13:05.33 | Cide | I don't want to face a warrior who's using that in PvP |
| 13:05.41 | Kalroth | free mace spec :) |
| 13:05.52 | Maldivia | Kalroth: dark edge was a lot more interesting, before the nerf :| |
| 13:06.06 | Kalroth | Maldivia: yeah, higher min-max |
| 13:06.08 | Josh_Borke | hm, with a weapon that has +187 on it already, i'd stack on the +mana/5 in my offhand |
| 13:06.20 | Kalroth | Maldivia: but it's still an upgrade to ashkandi, especially for me, since I'm an orc |
| 13:06.45 | Maldivia | well, I'm a mage and enchanter... so it's just nexus crystals for me :) |
| 13:06.55 | Cide | screw mana/5 |
| 13:06.58 | Cide | spirit >> mana/5! |
| 13:07.09 | Maldivia | you have +25% from spirit ? |
| 13:07.10 | Kalroth | Cide: especially when you're getting innervated a lot :p |
| 13:07.12 | Cide | +30% |
| 13:07.27 | Josh_Borke | well, i'm a paladin :-D |
| 13:07.28 | Cide | add in new greater heal and transcendence 8/8.. mm |
| 13:07.41 | Maldivia | 2.5 gheal is so nice! |
| 13:07.59 | Cide | add in a rank 5 renew |
| 13:08.08 | Maldivia | Cide: what about http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21615 |
| 13:08.11 | Kalroth | aye, the 8/8 proc is awesome |
| 13:08.12 | Cide | which is 390-395 |
| 13:08.23 | Cide | add in ~900 healing and you get a free flash heal! |
| 13:08.32 | Josh_Borke | oh man, renew and +900 healing |
| 13:08.41 | Cide | Maldivia: yeah, saw that, it rocks |
| 13:08.50 | Kalroth | we got a druid with nearly +800 healing, his rejuv owns :p |
| 13:08.51 | Cide | but I'd rather use trans |
| 13:08.58 | Maldivia | cide: but still, beating 8/8 trans is hard |
| 13:09.03 | Cide | +48 healing, +17 sta, +27 int, +22 spi |
| 13:09.07 | Cide | ya |
| 13:09.16 | Cide | which is one of the big flaws I find with the item system |
| 13:09.30 | Cide | I can't think of any item that I'd swap out for trans 8/8 right now |
| 13:09.45 | Cide | I have boots of pure thought, which are superior to trans boots, but nope :( |
| 13:10.08 | Maldivia | 8/8 trans bonus is just too valuable, with 2.5s gheals |
| 13:10.43 | Cide | with gheal rank 1, too :) |
| 13:11.27 | Cide | healing ~1780-1900 with said ~1300 renew for 314 mana |
| 13:11.55 | Maldivia | yeah, with +900 healing, you wouldn't need max rank very often |
| 13:12.07 | Maldivia | my priest only has around +150 healing :) |
| 13:12.14 | Cide | hehe, yeah |
| 13:12.18 | Cide | I almost never use rank 5 |
| 13:12.39 | Maldivia | but then again, my priest have never been to MC, ONY, BWL, or AQ40 :) |
| 13:12.47 | Maldivia | only use it for 20-mans or less |
| 13:14.04 | Josh_Borke | max rank is nice for healing after a rez |
| 13:14.14 | Maldivia | tue |
| 13:14.48 | Cide | but a druid or shm usually get a fast heal in and waste my mana then :) |
| 13:14.52 | Maldivia | but in-combat, the mana/healing ratio is bad, considering you'll very often ovreheal |
| 13:15.15 | Cide | only fight I know that requires rank 5 is the emps |
| 13:20.08 | Cide | bleh, this doesn't make sense |
| 13:20.38 | Maldivia | which ? |
| 13:20.56 | Cide | I have a triangle that starts out as |\ (forgive the lame formatting :P) |
| 13:21.04 | Josh_Borke | anyone know how i convert OID to MIB or the other way? |
| 13:22.13 | Cide | but when I try to use matrix transformations, only setting scaling to 1 (ie doing nothing), it rotates 90 degrees :( |
| 13:24.15 | Maldivia | remembering that 0 degrees is ---> that way ? |
| 13:24.15 | Cide | well, I guess that it's 90 degrees clockwise |
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| 13:26.40 | Cide | might be some weirdness with the two different origins, heh |
| 13:27.59 | groll | hmm is it possible to make an addon cast a macro like nature swiftness and then a heal with one button press? |
| 13:28.05 | groll | ie if u stand still that is |
| 13:28.10 | groll | i guess it should |
| 13:28.44 | Maldivia | groll: all spell casts requires a hardware event, so you can't have an addon cast anything for you automatically |
| 13:28.59 | groll | i said with a button press :P |
| 13:29.08 | Maldivia | then yes :) |
| 13:29.13 | groll | oke great :D |
| 13:29.22 | groll | i'm "making" my very first addon ever :P |
| 13:29.27 | groll | or rather rewriting one |
| 13:30.05 | Maldivia | button:SetScript("OnClick", function() CastSpellByName("Nature's Swiftness") SpellStopCasting() CastSpellByName("Healing Touch") end); |
| 13:30.18 | Maldivia | just like you would with /script in a macro |
| 13:30.33 | groll | btw how do one make comments in lua? |
| 13:30.56 | Josh_Borke | -- |
| 13:31.01 | Josh_Borke | -- my comment |
| 13:31.02 | groll | k thx |
| 13:31.08 | Josh_Borke | or --[[ my comments ]] |
| 13:31.29 | Cide | the latter has the ability to span over multiple lines :) |
| 13:32.27 | Cide | just watch out when you're using tables, in case you have like.. --[[ comment \n tableStuff[table2[3]] \n more comment ]] |
| 13:32.38 | Cide | --[[ comment \n tableStuff[table2[3]] \n more comment ]] |
| 13:32.46 | groll | ok and no need to make an end to it? |
| 13:32.55 | groll | or -- at the end aswell? |
| 13:32.56 | Cide | not the single line comment, no |
| 13:33.01 | groll | ok great thanks |
| 13:34.06 | Cide | hmm, if I shear it to -1 it's normal again.. |
| 13:34.10 | Cide | oh well |
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| 13:39.45 | groll | bah anyone using ultraedit 32? |
| 13:40.01 | Tain | I used to. |
| 13:40.19 | groll | ok do you know how to get rid of it copying the next line if i press enter? |
| 13:40.48 | Tain | I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 13:42.24 | groll | ok if i'm at the end of a line and press enter i want an empty line |
| 13:42.44 | groll | but i just push the line i already have below one step down but at the same time it copies itself |
| 13:44.47 | Maldivia | ehhh, sounds... weird... doesn't do it here |
| 13:45.01 | Tain | Yeah there must be some setting somewhere that's set that I've never seen, because I've never had that happen. |
| 13:45.21 | groll | heh oke it has always happened to me |
| 13:45.24 | krka|work | Cide, that's broken |
| 13:45.34 | krka|work | this, that is: --[[ comment \n tableStuff[table2[3]] \n more comment ]] |
| 13:45.47 | krka|work | oops |
| 13:45.52 | krka|work | never mind |
| 13:45.55 | krka|work | i should learn to read |
| 13:45.59 | groll | lol |
| 13:46.00 | groll | :D |
| 13:46.01 | krka|work | context is king |
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| 13:46.39 | [MoonWolf] | indeed |
| 13:47.00 | krka|work | how many editors handles lua long comments properly? |
| 13:47.44 | [MoonWolf] | not many |
| 13:48.15 | krka|work | so, all the more reason to write all your code with FAIAP :) |
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| 13:49.52 | groll | can someone check if this looks right? http://wow.pastebin.com/686978 |
| 13:50.19 | [MoonWolf] | looks fine |
| 13:50.26 | [MoonWolf] | but its not all that... complicated. |
| 13:51.18 | Miravlix | Is long comments --[[ ]]'s? |
| 13:51.52 | Stylpe | Oh no! I broke KIC! =( |
| 13:52.34 | Stylpe | And I can't figure out the error |
| 13:52.55 | Miravlix | I don't see why syntax highlighting editors wouldn't handle that, we have had long comments for 20 years now |
| 13:52.58 | Tain | Check the flux capacitor. |
| 13:53.31 | Tain | My SciTE does long comments ok. |
| 13:53.43 | Tain | It's becasue of the way Lua implements them. |
| 13:54.19 | Tain | Other languages don't usually (note the word usually, this is not a blanket statement across all languages) start single line and multi line comments with the same characters. |
| 13:54.30 | Stylpe | My Notepad++ does long comments fine too |
| 13:54.44 | Miravlix | emacs does them fine too |
| 13:55.24 | Miravlix | Tain: They don't start them with the same characters |
| 13:55.28 | Tain | I always had problems in UltraEdit32, EditPlus, and something else I used thta I can't remember. |
| 13:55.33 | Miravlix | Single line is -- multiline is --[[ |
| 13:55.47 | Tain | My god your'e right, -- and -- are not the same characters at all. |
| 13:55.47 | Tain | Oh wait. |
| 13:56.11 | Miravlix | characterS |
| 13:56.23 | Tain | My god you're right, -- is a single character and not multiple! |
| 13:56.24 | Tain | Oh wait. |
| 13:56.27 | Miravlix | They do start them with the same char |
| 13:57.10 | Miravlix | There is a heck of a difference between a 4 char start code and a 2 char |
| 13:57.15 | Maldivia | it's because in lua --[[ has higher priority than -- |
| 13:57.18 | krka|work | the problem with --[[ ]] is that plain regexps cant handle them |
| 13:58.06 | krka|work | my emacs lua-mode can't handle lua long comments |
| 13:58.13 | krka|work | if you have a better mode, i'd like to have it :) |
| 13:58.42 | Miravlix | The syntax highlighting makes long comments and short comments blue just the same |
| 13:58.43 | Maldivia | do you have a way to prioritize the color-code triggers in emacs? |
| 13:58.53 | Stylpe | ckknight, you here? |
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| 13:59.55 | Maldivia | I usually end up doing a column-mode-edit, and using single line comments, for multiple lines |
| 14:00.26 | Miravlix | Maldivia: So say "" has higher priority than comment? |
| 14:00.32 | krka|work | try this in emacs and see if you get it right: http://wow.pastebin.com/686994 |
| 14:00.43 | Maldivia | Miravlix: no, so --[[ has higher priority thant -- |
| 14:01.24 | Miravlix | Maldivia: I don't understand the difference |
| 14:01.50 | krka|work | or this in emacs: |
| 14:01.50 | krka|work | http://wow.pastebin.com/686998 |
| 14:01.52 | Maldivia | in a lot of editors, single line comment symbol have higher priority than multi line symbol |
| 14:02.23 | Maldivia | and since the lua multi line symbol contains the single line symbol, it will be parsed as a single line comment, and [[ as part of the comment |
| 14:02.23 | krka|work | my emacs can't handle that |
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| 14:02.51 | krka|work | Miravlix, can you send me your lua-mode.el? |
| 14:02.53 | Miravlix | I would never write commetns like that, so I can't be bothered checking if they work |
| 14:03.10 | krka|work | just a matter of copy and paste |
| 14:04.23 | Crispix | http://deadlydragon.mkfanatic.net/Ermac.png Ermacs? |
| 14:04.55 | krka|work | Miravlix, does your emacs handle it or not? |
| 14:05.12 | Maldivia | krka: pastebin doesn't :) |
| 14:05.12 | Miravlix | ;; $Id: lua-mode.el,v 1.26 2001/07/08 19:06:50 cvogler Exp $ |
| 14:05.41 | krka|work | i have the same version |
| 14:05.44 | krka|work | so the answer is no |
| 14:05.50 | Miravlix | I don't care |
| 14:05.59 | Miravlix | It's not something you would ever write |
| 14:06.03 | krka|work | yes it us |
| 14:06.09 | krka|work | when you uncomment large blocks |
| 14:06.14 | krka|work | and that block contains comments |
| 14:06.21 | Miravlix | Well, I've coded since US beta without ever needing them |
| 14:06.32 | Miravlix | And I don't see why I would ever need them |
| 14:06.37 | Maldivia | what about: http://wow.pastebin.com/687004 |
| 14:07.15 | Miravlix | I use SVN, I don't need to keep large code blocks commented |
| 14:07.18 | Miravlix | I just erase them |
| 14:07.31 | Miravlix | If I need the code, I just go back in the SVN |
| 14:08.55 | Kaso | Anyone know a good Tutorial/Guide for making GUIs, xml etc, im trying to learn it myself but its confusing. |
| 14:08.57 | Miravlix | I use a multiline comment for the beginning of the file to create a header of some sort and sometimes to comment out some startup code |
| 14:09.20 | Maldivia | Kaso: there's a tutorial in the Addon Kit |
| 14:09.32 | Kaso | Something more complex than that i mean |
| 14:11.47 | Miravlix | I need to hack my SVN mode though, so every lua file I save, activates a commit, then I'm 'happy' |
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| 14:12.31 | groll2 | bah crap isp |
| 14:12.50 | groll2 | can someone check my latest wow.pastebin.com post and see if it looks correct?` |
| 14:14.03 | Kirkburn | Miravlix, do you think it would be to stop including nopatch files in downloads any time soon? |
| 14:14.25 | Kirkburn | now groll2, you know no-one will look unless you link it =) |
| 14:14.42 | groll2 | well it's the first one on the top :P |
| 14:14.53 | Miravlix | The cosmos.exe we have been using since 1.10 doesn't use nopatch files |
| 14:15.07 | groll2 | but ye ye :P http://wow.pastebin.com/687001 |
| 14:15.08 | Maldivia | hmm, why limit all the variable names to 6 chars ? :) |
| 14:15.32 | groll2 | it was like that from the start so i thought it would be easiest to keep it that way :P |
| 14:15.57 | groll2 | but i can name it whatever i guess |
| 14:16.02 | Miravlix | There is no wow 687001 entry |
| 14:16.08 | groll2 | 11 |
| 14:16.11 | groll2 | oopos |
| 14:16.26 | groll2 | one 0 to much adn one 1 to little i see :P |
| 14:16.45 | Kirkburn | Miravlix, I was wondering how much 'market penetration' that's got now ... |
| 14:17.09 | Kirkburn | I suppose judging from the number of comments on the forums, quite a lot? |
| 14:18.36 | Miravlix | Kirkburn: ? |
| 14:19.15 | Kirkburn | (number of comments on the new patcher) ... bah, I'll get rid of the nopatch file |
| 14:20.36 | Miravlix | I tend to skip installer post, so I don't know. :) |
| 14:21.10 | Kirkburn | Well it's not your area, so that's fair. It's only depressing ... |
| 14:22.03 | Miravlix | There is much in this world to be depressed about, but nopatch files is definately not one of them. :) |
| 14:22.59 | groll2 | Maldivia better now? http://wow.pastebin.com/687028 |
| 14:23.43 | Maldivia | more readable, I think :) |
| 14:23.47 | groll2 | hehe oke |
| 14:23.51 | Miravlix | Going to be a lot easier to read them, when they aren't listed with the ='s now |
| 14:24.08 | groll2 | ok time to work on the bindings.xml argh :S |
| 14:26.32 | Tain | Bindings is actually pretty simple compared to everything else. |
| 14:26.41 | Miravlix | I haven't had much oppertunity to talk to the installer coder and so far it seems like the program is closed source, it doesn't seem to have been added to our SVN. |
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| 14:31.53 | groll2 | tain hehe then u can help me ;P |
| 14:33.51 | Josh_Borke | woot! second nightof attempts on vael and he goes down! woohoo! |
| 14:34.53 | groll2 | well vael aint that very hard actually.. there is one imperative thing that must work and if it does it's quite simple to take him.. it's the tank swapping |
| 14:35.00 | groll2 | if that doesnt work u go poop :P |
| 14:35.12 | Josh_Borke | yea, it sounded like my guild was able to do the tank swapping really well |
| 14:35.22 | groll2 | that's good.. good tanks :d |
| 14:35.23 | groll2 | :D |
| 14:35.38 | Josh_Borke | yea, only 8 attempts total |
| 14:35.43 | groll2 | nice |
| 14:38.34 | groll2 | http://wow.pastebin.com/687058 could anyone explain that plz? i only changed the shamanspellbinder so far it wasa magespellbinder before |
| 14:38.39 | groll2 | what does that stuff mean? |
| 14:38.55 | groll2 | i guess it casts arc int somehow |
| 14:40.29 | krka|work | that's some weird code |
| 14:40.34 | krka|work | could be simplified a lot |
| 14:40.54 | groll2 | k well it aint me that has done it.. i'm just trying to understand what it does |
| 14:40.56 | groll2 | but need some help heh |
| 14:41.16 | krka|work | it just casts arcane intellect |
| 14:41.27 | krka|work | on itself if the target cant' receive it |
| 14:41.29 | groll2 | ok what is all the target stuff then? |
| 14:41.34 | groll2 | umm ok |
| 14:42.11 | groll2 | hmm in these bindings.. could i just put in a macro kinda? ie if the target is enemy and cant recive the spell then cast on self and such? |
| 14:42.59 | krka|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.28 | groll | ok so i could just do that instead? |
| 14:43.34 | groll | in that keybindings.xml file? |
| 14:44.02 | krka|work | no, that would go in a macro |
| 14:44.08 | groll | k |
| 14:44.19 | groll | but i'm fiddling with an addon :D |
| 14:44.28 | groll | rewrting it to shammy instead |
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| 14:50.00 | Kirkburn | I haven't played for 2 weeks :s |
| 14:50.16 | Kirkburn | Not only that but my best friend stopped playing :( |
| 14:50.44 | Kirkburn | (he'll be back come the expansion, I can guarantee that) |
| 14:50.47 | groll | i hardly play either.. become guildless |
| 14:51.27 | Kirkburn | My guild is large enough to not notice my absence for the mo I think (300 accounts) ... don't think I'll get kicked for a while |
| 14:51.43 | Kirkburn | I'll only start playing again when I start getting my Uni work out of the way |
| 14:53.32 | Kirkburn | At least we can be safe in the knowledge that we're making other people's play experience better :) |
| 14:53.43 | Kirkburn | And tbh, that's a pretty nice feeling |
| 14:53.57 | Kirkburn | Now where's Cafeine__? |
| 14:54.14 | krka|work | i only make my experience better |
| 14:54.25 | groll | can you do comments in xml aswell? |
| 14:54.34 | Kirkburn | Selfish bugger =) (I think I'll email cafeine later) |
| 14:54.35 | Kirkburn | yes |
| 14:54.39 | groll | ok how? :d |
| 14:54.41 | Kirkburn | <!-- comment --> |
| 14:54.44 | groll | ok thanks |
| 14:54.51 | Kirkburn | Can span lines too |
| 14:55.17 | groll | k thanks |
| 14:55.25 | Kaso | Is there like no error reports for XML, or am i just stupid |
| 14:55.36 | Kirkburn | There's the frameXML log file |
| 14:55.55 | Kaso | oh lovely |
| 14:55.59 | Kirkburn | Apart from that I don't know |
| 14:56.21 | krka|work | i like to xmlproc_parse my xml before testing |
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| 14:56.29 | krka|work | shows me syntactic errors |
| 14:56.30 | Kaso | Im trying to learn howto do a GUI in xml and its kinda annoying when things just *dont work* |
| 14:56.59 | Kaso | any windows version of that :> |
| 14:57.03 | Maldivia | having an xml editor, that tells you if there are syntactical errors, can help a lot :) |
| 14:57.38 | Maldivia | kaso, you can always just try to open the xml file in firefox, if it complains, then there's an error |
| 14:57.38 | Kaso | Any reccomendations? |
| 14:57.50 | Kaso | ooh nice idea |
| 14:58.43 | Josh_Borke | Kaso: XMLSpy is a free windows XML editor |
| 14:58.46 | Josh_Borke | with built in validation |
| 14:59.00 | krka|work | any good linux xml editors? |
| 14:59.08 | krka|work | indentation and validation and highlighting please |
| 14:59.36 | Josh_Borke | what are the disadvantages to putting ScriptFile= in the XML rather than putting it in the TOC file? |
| 15:00.16 | wereHamster | morning |
| 15:00.21 | Josh_Borke | morning wereHamster |
| 15:01.23 | wereHamster | krka|work, eclipse and oxygen (http://oxygenxml.com/) |
| 15:03.16 | groll | hmm questions. in this http://wow.pastebin.com/687099 i just define all possible spells right? and in http://wow.pastebin.com/687101 i define the spells casted by the corresponding key... now my question is, can i in the bindings take 2 spells from the lua file and combine them into one keybinding? ie Nature swiftness and a heal or such? |
| 15:03.27 | groll | without defining that one in the lua file as 2 spells |
| 15:03.50 | Maldivia | Josh: non really, except you have a bit more control of the load order, if defined in toc - also, if another addon uses your file (for instance if it templates), then the lua file will be reloaded, and perhaps some variables will be ovrewritten |
| 15:03.53 | krka|work | eclipse and oxygen or eclipse with oxygen? |
| 15:04.18 | groll | in other words i wont need line 40+ in the .lua file? |
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| 15:04.31 | Josh_Borke | Maldivia: cool, thanks. |
| 15:05.02 | krka|work | damn, it's not free |
| 15:05.26 | wereHamster | krka|work, oxygen is a plugin for eclipse.. at least that's how I'm using it |
| 15:05.39 | krka|work | yes, but oxygen doesn't seem to be free |
| 15:06.00 | wereHamster | not free, but it doesn't stop working after the 30day trial period |
| 15:06.48 | Maldivia | well, that doesn't mean you have the right to use it after the 30 days, even if it still works |
| 15:08.17 | groll | could someone please take a look at what i posted? i'm a noob ok :P |
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| 15:16.38 | Kaso | groll |
| 15:16.46 | groll | heh |
| 15:17.06 | groll | i needed a bit of help and all of a sudden it all became quiet in here :p |
| 15:17.31 | groll | this seems to not be a noob friendly channel ;P |
| 15:17.35 | Kaso | I think it'd be better to have a function like MyAddon_Cast() then pass into that the name of the binding then you can do the desciding what to cast in the lua |
| 15:18.11 | groll | well i'm a totall noob on cooding so i'm just rewriting this one |
| 15:18.20 | Kaso | ok well if you want to cast two spells its CastSpellByName("spell 1") StopSpellCasting() CastSpellByName("spell 2") |
| 15:18.41 | Tain | groll most people are doing other things at the same time in here, such as working. You simply have to be patient for times when people are able to help. |
| 15:18.53 | groll | hehe ya i guess :P |
| 15:19.58 | Kaso | Kaso's time to be a noob: Anyone know of a tutorial that explains how to to Frame Templates, im quite confuses |
| 15:21.11 | Cairenn | morning al |
| 15:21.13 | Cairenn | all* |
| 15:21.31 | Cairenn | groll: we're quite noob friendly :) |
| 15:21.40 | groll | hehe oke |
| 15:21.45 | groll | i know you are :D |
| 15:22.20 | Cairenn | hey hey netcurse, been a while since you've been in the channel, good to see you :) |
| 15:22.51 | Josh_Borke | morning Cairenn |
| 15:22.56 | Josh_Borke | time for lunch, bye all :-) |
| 15:23.09 | Cairenn | morning Josh, later Josh ;) |
| 15:23.14 | krka|work | time to go to my gf, i'll be quiet until monday :P |
| 15:23.38 | Cairenn | have a great weekend krka :) |
| 15:23.45 | krka|work | thanks |
| 15:23.45 | groll | ok hehe keybindings aint working at all :p |
| 15:24.59 | groll | atleast i dont get any errors with it :P |
| 15:25.16 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:25.34 | Cairenn | not the optimal way of getting rid of errors, in my experience |
| 15:25.39 | groll | so i guess it's that i havent defined the lvl of the spell to be cast |
| 15:26.06 | Kaso | When you dont define level it auto selects the highest rank (with castspellbyname i mean( |
| 15:26.15 | groll | it does? |
| 15:26.44 | Kaso | Yup |
| 15:27.08 | groll | then there is something wrong with my addon i rewrote hmm |
| 15:27.31 | groll | and does anyone know how i get the addon name to show up on the keybindings frame? |
| 15:30.44 | Tain | groll I find the easiest way to see things like that is to look at another addon and see how they did it. |
| 15:30.57 | groll | well that is what i have done |
| 15:31.21 | groll | but i cant find how to do it cause mine looks the same as the reload ui one more or less |
| 15:31.29 | groll | atleast the bindings.xml filre |
| 15:31.31 | groll | file |
| 15:31.54 | Tain | Can you pastebin your bindings.xml? |
| 15:32.00 | groll | sec |
| 15:32.47 | groll | http://wow.pastebin.com/687141 |
| 15:33.29 | groll | i guess it is the header that should show up right? |
| 15:34.12 | Tain | When you use all caps it looks for a global variable instead of using the actual string. |
| 15:34.17 | groll | aha |
| 15:34.34 | Tain | Why? I don't know. |
| 15:35.16 | groll | ok testing again then :D |
| 15:35.16 | Wobin_ | I thought you had to use caps for keybindings? |
| 15:35.51 | groll | i aint got a clue :D |
| 15:38.17 | Tain | Well no, when it's all caps it's looking to reference a variable. |
| 15:40.39 | groll | now it didnt work at all :p |
| 15:40.44 | Tain | People do that mostly so that you can localize the variables. |
| 15:41.32 | groll | aha |
| 15:42.08 | groll | there was a function called that.. and that then become Shaman Spellbinder |
| 15:44.10 | Kaso | -_- I hate XML |
| 15:44.53 | groll | what is the runOnUp="true"; ?` |
| 15:45.15 | groll | i see a lot of addons with that in the first "thing" for the keybindgins stugff |
| 15:45.16 | groll | stuff |
| 15:45.33 | Qaarh | Kaso, I agree with you there |
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| 15:46.03 | Cairenn | morning gr |
| 15:46.05 | Cairenn | Gryphen: |
| 15:46.11 | Cairenn | grrr, can't type today |
| 15:46.38 | groll | me neither hehe |
| 15:49.41 | Kaso | so ive got this frame, im trying to make it a template, simply nameing it virtual and having a <Frame name="name" inherits="mytemplate" /> doesnt work, how do i do it? |
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| 15:59.49 | groll | argh now it aint working at all :/ |
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| 16:01.02 | Cairenn | hey hey SilverShadow :) |
| 16:04.44 | groll | anyone know of any addon that shows the distance to your target? |
| 16:05.05 | Cairenn | groll: ummm, sec |
| 16:05.14 | groll | k |
| 16:05.23 | groll | cause i will be needing one when this addon is complete :P |
| 16:05.44 | Cairenn | either lego or gello posted a "proof of concept" one on the site, just looking for it now |
| 16:05.54 | groll | k cool |
| 16:05.56 | Cairenn | ah ha, here we go, it was gello: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4658 |
| 16:06.12 | Cairenn | as he states though, you can never get an exact, you can only get an estimate |
| 16:06.17 | groll | but hmm i just realised something :P with this addon i wont be able to see how long my cooldown has come on my spells lol :P |
| 16:07.09 | groll | WOOHOO it shows up :D:D |
| 16:08.22 | groll | but dont cast any spells hmm |
| 16:09.07 | Gryphen | morning Cairrr |
| 16:13.02 | Kirkburn | Look it's me with another website I want opinions on please! =) http://trieste.georgepribul.eu/ |
| 16:13.24 | JoshBorke | what category do i use to report someone for botting? |
| 16:13.44 | Cairenn | Josh, in game? |
| 16:13.49 | Gryphen | i just use harrassment |
| 16:13.53 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 16:15.43 | JoshBorke | ok |
| 16:16.02 | Kirkburn | They should really update that screen, it would help if it was clearer |
| 16:16.23 | Wobin_ | Kirkburn: 'Entrance' may be a bit misleading |
| 16:16.31 | Wobin_ | Make people think it's the 'entrance' to the website |
| 16:16.33 | Kirkburn | Good point |
| 16:16.54 | Kirkburn | Er, another word? |
| 16:17.03 | Kirkburn | "The gates"? |
| 16:17.42 | JoshBorke | when a lvl 31 hunter doesn't run/respond to a lvl 60 paladin standing right there, something is up |
| 16:17.59 | Wobin_ | Kirkburn: Possibly =) |
| 16:18.28 | Wobin_ | JoshBorke: Maybe he's hoping if he ignores the scary pally, he'll go away =) |
| 16:18.31 | Wobin_ | Or is afk |
| 16:18.38 | JoshBorke | no, he runs around randomly |
| 16:18.44 | JoshBorke | and attacked a mob |
| 16:18.50 | Wobin_ | I hear tell kittens do that |
| 16:18.55 | Wobin_ | And puppies |
| 16:19.10 | Wobin_ | We had a warlock do a runner into a huge group of mobs on account of 'puppy' |
| 16:19.27 | Wobin_ | We told him to teach the dog how to hellfire. |
| 16:21.13 | Wobin_ | Kirkburn: "There is plenty of room for sunbeds and deckchairs ..." |
| 16:21.21 | Wobin_ | Are there deckchairs there already? |
| 16:21.29 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 16:21.41 | Wobin_ | As that phrasing can imply that the reader needs to supply the furniture =) |
| 16:21.46 | Kirkburn | Which makes it sound like you have to bring your own, true :P |
| 16:21.57 | JoshBorke | UGH! the text field is limitted! |
| 16:23.22 | Wobin_ | "The old buildings of Podere Trieste have been restored" |
| 16:23.27 | Wobin_ | throw in a comma after that |
| 16:24.49 | Wobin_ | And now I'm craving italian =P |
| 16:25.13 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 16:25.16 | Wobin_ | Also, the second Lajatico image on the Lajatico page is missing a link |
| 16:25.26 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I don't have a large version :( |
| 16:26.08 | Wobin_ | The leaning tower -is- in Pisa, isn't it? |
| 16:26.14 | Kirkburn | Yep |
| 16:26.15 | Wobin_ | and not technically 'further afield' |
| 16:26.30 | Kirkburn | Ah |
| 16:26.44 | Kirkburn | Er, well I can't be bothered to get another photo for that :) |
| 16:26.48 | Wobin_ | It's a bit nitpicky =) |
| 16:27.02 | Kaso | Can someone help me out with this, im trying to make a template from a frame i had, but its not working, its only tiny bit of code http://wow.pastebin.com/687220 |
| 16:27.03 | Kirkburn | Nitpick all you want, it's useful! |
| 16:27.06 | Wobin_ | hehe oh god, Ryanair =) |
| 16:28.27 | Wobin_ | Other than that, it looks great =) |
| 16:28.44 | Kirkburn | Thanks v v much :) |
| 16:28.50 | Wobin_ | np =) |
| 16:29.22 | Kirkburn | I'm not a huge fan of Easyjet or Ryanair (damn luggage restrictions), but they're cheap and go lots of places :s |
| 16:29.57 | groll | anyone know why this aint working in my keybindings.xml.... |
| 16:30.14 | Wobin_ | hehe Oh god the luggage restrictions |
| 16:30.23 | groll | <sec url comming |
| 16:30.28 | Wobin_ | We paid about 200E for extra luggage =P |
| 16:30.46 | groll | http://wow.pastebin.com/687238 |
| 16:30.46 | Wobin_ | I mean, who only allows 15kg of luggage?! |
| 16:30.48 | groll | any clues? |
| 16:31.04 | Wobin_ | What's not happening? |
| 16:32.09 | Wobin_ | you need a header reference, don't you? |
| 16:32.19 | groll | there is |
| 16:32.23 | groll | let me paste the entire file |
| 16:32.54 | groll | http://wow.pastebin.com/687244 |
| 16:33.00 | groll | it wont cast a single spell |
| 16:36.20 | Kaso | I cant see why that wouldnt work |
| 16:36.24 | Tain | Dunno, never tried using CastSpellByName in a binding. |
| 16:36.26 | groll | me neither |
| 16:36.49 | groll | do i have to use the onbuttondown etc stuff maybe? |
| 16:37.09 | groll | or a target? |
| 16:37.14 | Kaso | try it out, thats the best way to find things out |
| 16:38.08 | groll | but hmm it should cast the spell anyway hmm |
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| 16:44.25 | Josh_Borke | fubar broke :-( |
| 16:46.43 | groll | yip |
| 16:53.13 | Kaso | help -_- |
| 16:55.23 | groll | this will be fun to see if it works.. if it does i'm gonna celebrate with a beer :P |
| 16:56.18 | groll | hah cool it worked |
| 16:57.57 | Josh_Borke | Kaso: did you check the FrameXML.log file? |
| 16:58.11 | Kaso | no |
| 16:58.15 | Kaso | ill do that |
| 16:59.58 | Kaso | Ahh |
| 17:00.32 | Kaso | I didnt realise that you had to define Templates first in the file |
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| 17:02.22 | Kaso | ty Josh_Borke |
| 17:06.00 | Josh_Borke | np |
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| 17:19.22 | rootaccess | WOW! |
| 17:19.25 | Josh_Borke | !!! |
| 17:19.33 | Josh_Borke | wb [MoonWolf] |
| 17:20.01 | [MoonWolf] | thanks. |
| 17:20.10 | rootaccess | I have been playing for 3 months and all I have is a lev 22 Druid |
| 17:20.17 | rootaccess | :( |
| 17:21.32 | Corrodias | impressively slow |
| 17:21.32 | Corrodias | after two months mine was at 46 |
| 17:21.32 | rootaccess | Thanx! |
| 17:21.32 | rootaccess | hehe |
| 17:21.32 | rootaccess | yea -- my guild is leaving me in the dust :p |
| 17:22.05 | rootaccess | I wish you could rob peoples stuff when u win duels |
| 17:22.12 | rootaccess | it would make it more interesting |
| 17:23.33 | Corrodias | also more annoying. anyway, time for me to go home. [away] |
| 17:23.36 | Cide | think of the priests :( |
| 17:23.57 | rootaccess | hehe |
| 17:24.04 | rootaccess | poor priests |
| 17:24.14 | rootaccess | I want to try Palidine |
| 17:25.02 | SilverShadow | Shadow priests are fun. ^_^ |
| 17:25.30 | Josh_Borke | if you think you're leveling slow, and you're not a paladin...wow |
| 17:25.39 | rootaccess | Dont palidines get a mount at 30? |
| 17:25.47 | rootaccess | lol |
| 17:25.52 | Josh_Borke | free mount at 40, just like warlock |
| 17:25.57 | rootaccess | o i c |
| 17:26.08 | Josh_Borke | well, i think a quest is involved now too...maybe not though... |
| 17:26.16 | SilverShadow | yes, there is a quest |
| 17:26.21 | Josh_Borke | it's better to be wise about your spending and just buy a mount |
| 17:26.38 | Josh_Borke | my second char was able to afford his own mount quite easily |
| 17:27.03 | rootaccess | hrm -- I can never keep gold |
| 17:27.14 | Tain | Paladin was quick to level for me, I only went to 38 or so though. |
| 17:27.17 | rootaccess | I see a nice new staff and just have to have it ;) |
| 17:27.56 | Qaarh | I just spent 15 gold instead of save it for my mount.. and I'm already 40 on this shaman.. |
| 17:28.02 | Cide | rootaccess: are you a caster? |
| 17:28.08 | Cide | oh right, druid |
| 17:28.30 | Cide | equipment doesn't do *all* that much unless it's a weapon and you're a melee class, at least at lower levels |
| 17:28.54 | Cide | so wasting money on buying stuff at low levels is quite unnecessary, since you level fast and will outlevel your items quite often |
| 17:29.12 | Tain | Yep. |
| 17:29.54 | Tain | I buy crap while levelling when it's cheap in the AH but never go out of my way for it unless I really haven't upgraded something like like 8 levels |
| 17:31.03 | Tain | Except weapons as a meleer, I'll try to stay at least 2 or 3 levels current |
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| 17:32.36 | Cide | hmm. |
| 17:32.40 | Cide | seems like there's some bug in my function |
| 17:32.54 | hyperChipmunk | you should fix it then |
| 17:33.00 | Cide | help me out, then :) |
| 17:34.00 | Cide | http://wow.pastebin.com/687346 |
| 17:34.17 | Cide | setting A=1 and D=1 (rest 0) sets scaling to 1/1 |
| 17:34.26 | Josh_Borke | oh man, there's math |
| 17:34.28 | Josh_Borke | i'm out |
| 17:34.38 | Cide | yeah :) |
| 17:34.43 | Cide | this should leave it as default |
| 17:35.03 | Josh_Borke | you have a divide by 0 |
| 17:35.17 | Cide | however, calling it with that, I get.. ULx: 0, ULy: 1, LLx: 0, LLy: 0, URx: 1, URy: 1, LRx: 1, LRy: 0 |
| 17:35.20 | Cide | Josh_Borke: ok ;) |
| 17:35.22 | Josh_Borke | if you have A=1 and D=1 with the rest 0 |
| 17:35.44 | Cide | oh, sorry |
| 17:35.47 | Cide | A=1 E=1 |
| 17:35.50 | Cide | rest 0 |
| 17:35.53 | Josh_Borke | ah, ok :-) |
| 17:36.27 | Cide | however, the "correct" sequence should be.. ULx: 0, ULy: 0, LLx: 0, LLy: 1, URx: 1, URy: 0, LRx: 1, LRy: 1 |
| 17:36.36 | Cide | so I'm guessing the y coordinates are reverted |
| 17:36.48 | Josh_Borke | LLy returns 0 with your inputs |
| 17:36.58 | Josh_Borke | unless your function for LLy is incorrect |
| 17:37.18 | Cide | exactly, but it shouldn't |
| 17:37.28 | Cide | oh, I might understand why |
| 17:37.42 | Cide | it's written for the lower left being the origin, but it's the top left when it comes to SetTexCoord |
| 17:38.36 | Cide | http://wow.pastebin.com/687352 <- works, but quite ugly solution.. I don't want to fix the math, though :) |
| 17:39.31 | Josh_Borke | lol, 1-*Ly |
| 17:39.55 | Cide | it works ;) |
| 17:40.21 | Josh_Borke | oh man, this rotation discussion gives me an idea for a mod :-( |
| 17:40.22 | Cide | now to write the function to display the pie pieces |
| 17:40.31 | Josh_Borke | spinning things ftw! |
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| 17:53.52 | rootaccess | has anyone actually ever recieved anything free from filleing out online questioneers? |
| 17:54.00 | rootaccess | lol |
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| 17:57.05 | Elviso | free spam |
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| 18:07.13 | ForgottenLords | morning Silvershadow |
| 18:07.17 | SilverShadow | howdy |
| 18:07.45 | SilverShadow | ignore all my spam.. i'm trying very hard to get used to IRC again.. last time I played with it was back in college with Kingdoms >.> |
| 18:08.05 | ForgottenLords | hehe, no problem |
| 18:08.24 | ForgottenLords | not much else is going on :) |
| 18:08.57 | SilverShadow | thank god |
| 18:09.08 | SilverShadow | I really don't need more stuff going on for the next month or so. |
| 18:10.06 | ForgottenLords | drowned down with something? |
| 18:11.29 | SilverShadow | Out of town on famly stuff. won't be back home till the middle of june and will only have limited net access |
| 18:11.42 | ForgottenLords | ah, that sucks |
| 18:11.45 | SilverShadow | yea. |
| 18:11.57 | SilverShadow | and it doesn't help that this weird router keeps resetting every few hours. |
| 18:12.02 | SilverShadow | I miss my t1.. |
| 18:12.42 | ForgottenLords | ... I've never had the opportunity to try a T1 connection |
| 18:13.21 | Josh_Borke | man, you're missing out |
| 18:13.30 | SilverShadow | Quutar and I have one going onto our home. ^_^ |
| 18:13.34 | Josh_Borke | it's awesome seeing downloads go at 1MB/s+ |
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| 18:14.06 | ForgottenLords | ... Im still feeling spoiled with my Cable connection... too used to dial-up recently |
| 18:14.21 | SilverShadow | 1mb? that's a bad for a t1. we get 20mb+ |
| 18:14.43 | SilverShadow | it's really fun when i see torrents go for 100mb+ |
| 18:17.16 | Cide | morning Iriel |
| 18:17.22 | Iriel | Where did nickserv go? |
| 18:17.34 | Cide | not sure |
| 18:17.42 | SilverShadow | it's there as far as I know of. wa just using it. |
| 18:17.45 | Cide | I get "No services can currently be detected" |
| 18:17.52 | Iriel | nickserv: No such nick/channel |
| 18:17.56 | Iriel | That's what I get |
| 18:18.06 | Cide | oh, Iriel, I think I've found a bug with the function I wrote regarding the SetTexCoord transformations |
| 18:18.21 | SilverShadow | Odd. that happened in like the past 5 mins.. |
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| 18:18.42 | Iriel | ah, it's back now |
| 18:18.48 | Iriel | Cide: Oh? what's wrong with it? |
| 18:18.59 | Cide | seeing as SetTexCoord takes top left as origin, all the y coordinates are reversed |
| 18:19.21 | Cide | I had to swap :SetTexCoord(ULx, ULy, LLx, LLy, URx, URy, LRx, LRy) to :SetTexCoord(ULx, 1-ULy, LLx, 1-LLy, URx, 1-URy, LRx, 1-LRy) for it to work correctly |
| 18:19.23 | Osagasu | I, uhm... don't suppose anyone knows why Fubar is crapping out? |
| 18:20.08 | Iriel | Cide: Are you sure the function is wrong, or just your inputs to the function? |
| 18:20.27 | Cide | well, I tried with something as simple as scaling it to 100% on both X and Y |
| 18:20.35 | Cide | so setCoords(1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0) |
| 18:20.42 | Josh_Borke | Osagasu: i think it has to do with a new option |
| 18:20.50 | Cide | which should retain the original image.. it gets transformed with the original function |
| 18:21.14 | Cide | stays as the normal image with the coordinates reversed |
| 18:21.52 | Cide | I'm also attempting a bit of math, and it works quite well so far |
| 18:22.02 | Iriel | Oh, I know why it's wrong |
| 18:22.13 | Iriel | because when I changed the origin I didn't change the coordinates later |
| 18:22.25 | Cide | aah, right |
| 18:22.27 | Iriel | I suspect swapping U* and L* will fix it |
| 18:23.51 | Cide | as in inputting :SetTexCoord(LLx, LLy, ULx, ULy, LRx, LRy, URx, URy) with the current calculations? |
| 18:24.41 | Cide | I tested; yes, that seems to do it |
| 18:25.30 | Iriel | I've fixed the page |
| 18:25.33 | Iriel | sorry about that |
| 18:25.34 | Cide | ah, thanks |
| 18:25.38 | Cide | no problem :) |
| 18:25.50 | Cide | right now I'm trying to figure out how to draw the pie pieces |
| 18:26.53 | Iriel | Since you can do that without any rotation, you might find it easier to do your math on a per-axis basis, then maybe convert to a generalized matrix after you get it right? |
| 18:27.37 | Cide | can I do it with just a general transformation? right now I'm trying with four cases (depending on which quadrant) |
| 18:27.43 | Cide | which is getting rather ugly, I might add |
| 18:32.51 | Iriel | Generally I do it all for one quadrant then flip it for the others |
| 18:33.55 | Cide | I'm trying with the top right one now, according to the image you drew |
| 18:37.59 | Iriel | Since horzontal/vertical edges line up cleanly, things that cross a quadrant boundary are most easily (especially at first) rendered as 2 pieces, one in each quadrant |
| 18:38.51 | Cide | yeah, that's what I'm aiming for |
| 18:39.24 | Cide | I hear it's pretty good on PC as well :) |
| 18:40.43 | Iriel | though possibly with some of the mods out there the pc version may be better now |
| 18:40.55 | Iriel | but I have something like 40 hours invested on the xbox so I dont want to switch over yet! |
| 18:42.22 | Iriel | (Totally random aside, fingerprint laptop login is cool) |
| 18:43.04 | Cide | hehe, nice :) |
| 18:48.23 | Iriel | It happens to be a tablet PC, so it makes login much easier when the keyboard is hidden |
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| 18:53.31 | Elviso | does anyone have a minute to review my pastebin? http://wow.pastebin.com/687465 |
| 18:53.41 | Elviso | I still can't get my stupid dropdown working |
| 18:54.04 | Elviso | or, Stupid I can't get my dropdown working :o |
| 18:56.20 | Osagasu | Both versions have their avdantages |
| 18:56.47 | Osagasu | PC has modding, XBox 360 is a standard format that you won't get 24 FPS on because your XBox isn't good enough |
| 18:56.55 | Osagasu | err, <24 FPS |
| 18:57.13 | Osagasu | PC has Ultra High setting though. :> |
| 19:00.40 | Iriel | My 360 looks delicious in HD |
| 19:01.03 | Iriel | But it's a different 'feel' from playing as a PC game |
| 19:05.04 | Wobin_ | Oblivion is pretty consoley already |
| 19:05.26 | Wobin_ | I can't play Oblivious on my laptop =( |
| 19:05.39 | Wobin_ | It's like walking around in a 640x480 box full of fog |
| 19:05.44 | Wobin_ | Slowly |
| 19:08.03 | Osagasu | I have around 20-30 FPs, but its worth it for my HDR and 1024x768 |
| 19:08.44 | Osagasu | I HAD to install mods and extra programs to get rid of the console feel. There's a REASON my PS2 is covered in dust. |
| 19:08.50 | Osagasu | >., |
| 19:08.53 | Osagasu | *>.< |
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| 19:12.18 | Wobin_ | I use my ps2 to watch dvds=) |
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| 19:14.20 | Nomad_Wanderer | Howdy. |
| 19:14.45 | Josh_Borke | morning Nomad_Wanderer |
| 19:15.03 | Nomad_Wanderer | Has anyone seen a High level raid Debuff detector? I don't need the granularity of who has what debuff. Just a little message that says "Good Time to Use Decursive now!" |
| 19:15.41 | Josh_Borke | not me, sorry. I just use CTRA to only show me debuffs that i can remove and then check the windows |
| 19:15.59 | Nomad_Wanderer | Does CTRA have a seperate "Debuff Window"? |
| 19:16.16 | Josh_Borke | no, i just mean on the individual unit frames |
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| 19:17.39 | Nomad_Wanderer | Ah... |
| 19:22.02 | Kaso | Do textures need to be sized powers of 2 for wow to use em? |
| 19:22.23 | Tain | Yes. |
| 19:22.33 | Kaso | Do they need to be square? |
| 19:23.07 | Tain | No. |
| 19:23.14 | Kaso | ty |
| 19:29.00 | Elviso | you guys know of a global var I can check for to see if CTRA is installed? |
| 19:31.10 | Cide | if ( CT_RA_Version ) then ... should do |
| 19:31.44 | Josh_Borke | what about CT_RA_Channel? |
| 19:34.05 | Elviso | ok, thx Cide |
| 19:34.08 | Kirkburn | Hello, I don't suppose if anyone knows if Opera supports text-shadows? |
| 19:34.18 | Cide | should be defined, but it might be nil sometimes, not sure |
| 19:34.29 | Cide | CT_RA_Channel might be nil until saved variables are loaded |
| 19:35.21 | Kaso | what about IsAddonEnabled("CT_RaidAssist") ? |
| 19:35.34 | Cide | that would be a function call :) |
| 19:35.47 | Cide | and that function is undefined |
| 19:36.07 | Wobin_ | Kirkburn: What version? |
| 19:36.28 | Kirkburn | 9, Dreamweaver is telling me all the others don't support it |
| 19:36.56 | Wobin_ | Opera supports all of CSS2 with the exception of: |
| 19:36.56 | Wobin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.58 | Kirkburn | =) "CSS property text-shadow is not supported [Firefox 1.0, Microsoft IE for Macintosh 5.2, Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.0, Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5, Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0, Netscape Navigator 6.0, Netscape Navigator 7.0, Netscape Navigator 8.0, Opera 6.0, Opera 7.0, Opera 8.0, Safari 1.0]" |
| 19:37.11 | Wobin_ | http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/opera9/ |
| 19:37.20 | Kirkburn | Ta, looks like I won't be using it for a while then ... |
| 19:38.49 | Kirkburn | The IE team need to do a similar document |
| 19:39.44 | Cide | what they also need to do is not invent their own things |
| 19:40.28 | Nomad_Wanderer | hmm.. My Item Rack script seems to be not dequipping my carrot/spurs when I dismount.. Mounting/dismounting is PLAYER_AURA_CHANGED right? |
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| 19:42.03 | Tain | Yes it is. |
| 19:42.06 | Wobin_ | Cide: So true |
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| 19:47.20 | Cide | grr |
| 19:47.28 | Cide | I can't get my triangles to align |
| 19:48.06 | Tain | I knew a girl who played the triangle in a band. |
| 19:48.15 | cmunn | Tain: Story over. |
| 19:48.22 | cmunn | I don't wanna know. |
| 19:48.59 | cmunn | No... I changed my mind. This is gotta be going somewhere... Please, continue. |
| 19:49.34 | Tain | She wasn't very good at it. |
| 19:52.51 | Cide | argh |
| 19:53.05 | Cide | it aligns for larger angles, but it becomes misaligned for smaller ones :( |
| 19:54.22 | Wobin_ | *ting* |
| 19:59.31 | Kirkburn | Cide: random thing, but it was the IE team that invented :hover |
| 19:59.57 | Cide | they also implemented filter: |
| 20:00.18 | Cide | or at least their own filters |
| 20:00.23 | Tain | Now they can get right on supporting the other thousand things the industry created as standards since then. |
| 20:00.26 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 20:00.38 | Cide | GRR. |
| 20:00.43 | Cide | damn you triangles |
| 20:00.52 | Kirkburn | I wonder how much of the team from 8 years ago is still there |
| 20:03.15 | Cide | ohh, I get it |
| 20:03.24 | Cide | the error was in the other triangle :) |
| 20:03.58 | ckknight | hey all |
| 20:04.08 | Cide | hi |
| 20:04.15 | Gryphen | heya |
| 20:04.46 | Kaso | Why do my custom textures crash wow when i reloadUI :< |
| 20:05.21 | Tain | What format are they in? What dimensions? Do they have an alpha channel? |
| 20:06.11 | Kaso | ive tried blp and tga, with alpha, various dimentions, one thing that could be it is theyre not square, one is 1024x32 |
| 20:06.21 | Iriel | 1024x32 should be just fine |
| 20:06.53 | Iriel | what are you creating them with? |
| 20:07.20 | Kaso | I made them with Fireworks, saved them as PNG32 then converted them with wowimage.jar |
| 20:08.25 | Kaso | They load up fine, its just when i reloadui i get 132 error |
| 20:09.21 | Iriel | And you're sure it's because of that? |
| 20:09.52 | Kaso | Ill try removing the textures and testing but ive been reloading all day without a problem so i think it prob is |
| 20:11.24 | Kaso | no problem without the textures :< |
| 20:12.45 | Kirkburn | Camped by one's own mother, hehe: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=135746365&size=o |
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| 20:16.12 | Kaso | It seems to be only the ones with alpha channel thats causing a crash. |
| 20:17.18 | Kaso | guess i can fidlle them not to need alpha |
| 20:18.15 | Kirkburn | Fyi, Koch will be distributing Wii all over the UK ... |
| 20:18.34 | Cide | hey Iriel: looking at your picture (http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/random/PieParts.gif), taking the top left image, is there another way to get that shape without shearing and scaling the y-axis? |
| 20:18.38 | Kirkburn | (I bet they loved the same choice) |
| 20:19.05 | Iriel | Cide: No, but calculating the shear is actually fairly easy |
| 20:19.14 | Cide | I've failed with it |
| 20:19.34 | Cide | I must be thinking wrong, because the other math is fine |
| 20:19.45 | Iriel | Here's how I'd do it... |
| 20:20.01 | Iriel | Calculate the scale required to get the right edge to be the correct length |
| 20:20.19 | Iriel | Then figure out the shear required to get the bottom edge to be the right angle |
| 20:20.55 | Cide | what I did was to find the y coordinate of the bottom right corner, and then divide that by the total height |
| 20:21.01 | Wobin_ | Kirkburn: Koch Wii? |
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| 20:21.07 | Wobin_ | That's just -wrong- |
| 20:22.55 | Iriel | Cide: You do have to compensate for the blank row in the texture also |
| 20:23.08 | Cide | well, it was off by a *large* margin |
| 20:23.42 | Cide | is the way I did it flawed? so I can figure out why I approached it in the wrong way (if that's the case) |
| 20:24.08 | Kirkburn | http://www.joystiq.com/2006/04/28/koch-to-distribute-wii-all-over-uk/ |
| 20:27.27 | Iriel | Cide: I'm not sure exactlyw hat you did, so i'll draw a picture again |
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| 20:31.15 | Elviso | for MyAddon:MyFunc(), I know self = MyAddon....is there a way within MyAddon:MyFunc() to access :MyFunc() without calling it explicitly like self:MyFunc()? |
| 20:31.25 | Kirkburn | I'm smiling at the fact that rather it being metaphorical, he really is drawing an explanatory diagram |
| 20:38.23 | groll | anyone seen legorol lately? |
| 20:38.43 | Maldivia | cd |
| 20:40.19 | groll | cd? |
| 20:41.40 | Josh_Borke | ls |
| 20:42.09 | Josh_Borke | Elviso: MyAddon:MyFunc() == MyAddon.MyFunc(self) |
| 20:42.10 | Josh_Borke | i think |
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| 20:42.32 | Kirkburn | Closed the wrong window ._. |
| 20:42.47 | Josh_Borke | Kirkburn: can i ask you a clearfont question? |
| 20:42.47 | Elviso | yes it should, but not quite what I was asking....I was looking for a way of self-referencing within a function |
| 20:42.53 | Kirkburn | Is this real choccy or copyright law? |
| 20:43.04 | Elviso | i.e. w/o having to specify either MyAddon or MyFunc |
| 20:43.05 | Kirkburn | Sure :) |
| 20:43.09 | Maldivia | yeah, was in the wrong window :) |
| 20:43.27 | Josh_Borke | Kirkburn: http://joshborke.is-a-geek.com/gallery/album02/Raid_Setup why are my health/mana letters so HUGE? |
| 20:43.55 | Josh_Borke | Elviso: i don't think so, but i'm still a nub |
| 20:43.55 | Kirkburn | Using 11000-4? |
| 20:43.55 | groll | ok wtf!?!?!? i hate lua... now the darn thing works that i made earlier but i havetn changed a thing (i think) :p |
| 20:44.08 | Josh_Borke | Kirkburn: don't know off the top of my head |
| 20:44.11 | Elviso | Josh_Borke: not as big a nub as me :p |
| 20:44.27 | Josh_Borke | Elviso: what are you trying to do |
| 20:44.34 | Josh_Borke | Kirkburn: it's at least 11000-? :-) |
| 20:44.43 | Kirkburn | Josh_Borke, it was the wrong size in previous versions, it should be correct in v11000-4 |
| 20:44.47 | Josh_Borke | coolio |
| 20:44.58 | Elviso | Josh_Borke: more for my own curiousity than present application |
| 20:45.09 | Josh_Borke | Kirkburn: otherwise, i <3 clearfont |
| 20:45.17 | Josh_Borke | it's SOOO much easier to read |
| 20:45.33 | Josh_Borke | Elviso: i don't think there is any way to refence the called function within the function |
| 20:45.37 | Kirkburn | Josh_Borke, lovely to hear :) If it doesn't get sorted, just msg me |
| 20:46.02 | Josh_Borke | Kirkburn: can do :-) |
| 20:46.11 | Kirkburn | (I'm still chuffed that ClearFont was in the first C'thun down piccie released) |
| 20:47.04 | Kirkburn | I've noticed people saying that they're working on Spanish addon localizations - are people able to change their locale manually? |
| 20:47.32 | Kirkburn | (esES, not spSP btw, if it follows the other locales) |
| 20:47.38 | Elviso | Kirkburn, it was also used in the #9 Horde US pic: http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cthundown5qo.jpg |
| 20:47.40 | Elviso | :) |
| 20:47.52 | Kirkburn | 8-D |
| 20:48.13 | Kirkburn | Grats Elviso! |
| 20:48.24 | Josh_Borke | i would kill someone for that mace he drops |
| 20:48.33 | Elviso | thx, I thought I'd have spare time now....but now we have to work on Ouro/Visc |
| 20:48.46 | Elviso | I've been working on a custom addon all day |
| 20:49.06 | Josh_Borke | yes, grats Elviso |
| 20:49.26 | Josh_Borke | btw Elviso, you're ahead of me because i'm not ready for MyAddon:MyFunc() :D |
| 20:49.40 | Kirkburn | Ouru still unbeaten? |
| 20:49.47 | Josh_Borke | i believe ouru has been downed |
| 20:49.54 | Josh_Borke | but maybe not |
| 20:49.55 | Kirkburn | Which is he? |
| 20:49.58 | Elviso | I think he has too, but not by our guild |
| 20:50.00 | Kirkburn | Giant slime? |
| 20:50.02 | Elviso | Ouro is the worm |
| 20:50.06 | Josh_Borke | the worm :D |
| 20:50.08 | Kirkburn | Ah |
| 20:50.14 | Kirkburn | Ah Visc is the slime |
| 20:50.17 | Josh_Borke | hm |
| 20:50.18 | Elviso | lol Josh_Borke |
| 20:50.24 | Josh_Borke | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.aspx?fn=wow-dungeons |
| 20:50.29 | Josh_Borke | tell me what is wrong with the blue posts |
| 20:50.35 | Josh_Borke | subjects only |
| 20:51.05 | Kirkburn | Americans can't put dates in the right order? |
| 20:51.05 | Josh_Borke | ouro has been downed: http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?e0653d1246.jpg |
| 20:51.23 | Josh_Borke | they can't decide on how to spell ouro :D |
| 20:51.45 | Kirkburn | "An Eu guild finally defeated him (last night)" |
| 20:51.53 | Cide | by whom? |
| 20:52.07 | Elviso | I just realized that there isn't a single reason I need to lower my graphics in AQ40 |
| 20:52.11 | Kirkburn | Oh, I *see* why people were commenting now |
| 20:52.26 | Kirkburn | Ouru or Ouro |
| 20:52.27 | Elviso | unlike BWL where Razor, Vael, and Nef require me to turn on looks-like-shit mode |
| 20:52.35 | Tain | What's all this +heal crap? |
| 20:52.40 | Cide | ouro is his name |
| 20:52.46 | Cide | +heal owns! be quiet, Tain! |
| 20:53.03 | Iriel | Cide: http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/random/PieShear.gif |
| 20:53.19 | Josh_Borke | PALADIN LOOTS! |
| 20:53.53 | Josh_Borke | i wonder if blizz will ever put a set out with +def and +heal on it... |
| 20:54.16 | Elviso | Isn't there already Josh_Borke ? I coulda sworn there was |
| 20:54.18 | Iriel | Cide: Actually step 3 may just be Shear(0, B-1) |
| 20:54.30 | Elviso | oh, a set... |
| 20:54.32 | Iriel | Cide: I was compensating for the scale incorrectly |
| 20:54.34 | Josh_Borke | Elviso: there's +def/mana per 5 |
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| 20:54.48 | Josh_Borke | deathbone ftw |
| 20:56.19 | Iriel | I _think_ that one is right |
| 20:56.48 | groll | http://wow.pastebin.com/687700 would that be the correct way to type this? |
| 20:58.29 | groll | hmm seems not as i got a nil error |
| 20:59.54 | Josh_Borke | Elviso: fyi, there is 0 gear with +heal and +def |
| 21:00.23 | Josh_Borke | then can't be capitalized, right? |
| 21:00.35 | groll | oops |
| 21:00.41 | groll | thanks :P |
| 21:00.52 | Josh_Borke | np :-D |
| 21:01.01 | Josh_Borke | noobadin to the rescue! |
| 21:01.04 | Josh_Borke | that'll be my new moto |
| 21:01.10 | Josh_Borke | s/moto/motto/ |
| 21:01.34 | Josh_Borke | it's the weekend! |
| 21:01.36 | Josh_Borke | bye all! |
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| 21:01.38 | groll | bah neeed new comp, this reloading of ui takes to long :P |
| 21:02.31 | Tain | Have you installed Catalyst to help those load times, groll? |
| 21:02.39 | Cide | thanks, Iriel |
| 21:02.47 | groll | ye |
| 21:03.01 | groll | i got all of those addons :D gone from 50 seconds to 5-10 seconds |
| 21:04.50 | Kirkburn | That was odd timing, I just came back to the PC to say something to Josh_Borke. |
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| 21:12.55 | groll | muaha i'm starting to get better at this :D |
| 21:14.22 | Qaarh | is there an addon to see what addons take the longest times to load? |
| 21:14.35 | groll | yes but i cant remember the name |
| 21:14.43 | Qaarh | hmm |
| 21:14.43 | groll | but ctraid assist is kinda heavy :P |
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| 21:15.01 | Qaarh | yeah, I know |
| 21:15.12 | Cide | warmup |
| 21:15.18 | Qaarh | ah |
| 21:15.23 | groll | ah yep that's right |
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| 21:16.16 | Qaarh | hmm, why is the Warmup folder named !!Warmup? |
| 21:16.24 | Elviso | so it'll be the 1st to load |
| 21:16.28 | JoshBorke | broken f ubar makes me sad :-( |
| 21:16.38 | Elviso | else it wouldn't be able to gather proper values |
| 21:16.39 | Qaarh | Elviso, ah okay |
| 21:16.47 | Tain | Which isn't a 100% certain way to make it load first, but it works on a lot of systems. |
| 21:17.08 | groll | yay my addon works!! :D |
| 21:17.11 | Elviso | so, is there any way to grab the 4th word from a string w/o looping? |
| 21:17.19 | Elviso | groll, what addon? |
| 21:17.19 | Iriel | string.find |
| 21:17.37 | groll | Elviso shaman spell bindings :D |
| 21:17.42 | groll | i rewrote magespellbindings |
| 21:17.47 | Elviso | link? |
| 21:17.52 | groll | not uploaded yet |
| 21:17.55 | Elviso | ah ok |
| 21:18.01 | groll | will ul in a bit, just need to do some more testing |
| 21:18.16 | Elviso | Iriel, thanks...I'm too lazy I guess, I was hoping there was an easier way :p |
| 21:18.32 | Qaarh | Testing warmup on my list of addons right now |
| 21:20.05 | id` | I'm looking for a nice tooltip AddOn, names anoyne? |
| 21:20.08 | Qaarh | ok, so the thing I get on /warmup are the events that are called? |
| 21:20.13 | id` | s/oy/yo/ |
| 21:20.15 | Qaarh | id`, I use tipbuddy.. *shrug* |
| 21:20.24 | id` | ok one pre |
| 21:20.36 | id` | it is not a conglomothing |
| 21:20.37 | id` | :p |
| 21:20.46 | JoshBorke | i like tipbudd+mobinfo2 |
| 21:20.59 | id` | i dont want it to make me blueberrywafflez, i want it to be informative. |
| 21:21.37 | Qaarh | hehe |
| 21:21.46 | JoshBorke | tipbuddy provides the information and that's all, as far as i can remember :-) |
| 21:21.52 | JoshBorke | been using mobinfo2 with it for too long |
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| 21:22.05 | id` | well it also provides a way for you to set any option you like |
| 21:22.20 | id` | e.g. making you blueberry wafflez |
| 21:22.20 | Qaarh | which of course makes it a fairly big one.. |
| 21:22.33 | JoshBorke | ha! indeed it does |
| 21:23.03 | id` | well thats bad |
| 21:23.03 | Qaarh | what if you like blueberry waffles? |
| 21:23.04 | id` | i think |
| 21:23.05 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+b zeeg!*@*] by Cairenn |
| 21:23.19 | id` | Cairenn: owned! |
| 21:23.23 | id` | Cairenn: what'd he do? |
| 21:23.28 | Cairenn | drop it |
| 21:23.30 | id` | ok |
| 21:23.40 | Cairenn | I didn't expect it to show up in channel, I wish it hadn't |
| 21:23.48 | Cairenn | it isn't open for discussion, regardless |
| 21:24.02 | id` | oki |
| 21:25.42 | Cide | hmm, I must be doing something wrong |
| 21:25.42 | ckknight | ? |
| 21:25.42 | ckknight | he insulted my family |
| 21:25.42 | ckknight | that is not cool with me |
| 21:25.42 | Cairenn | ckknight: leave it |
| 21:25.42 | Cide | for some reason, I keep hoping sin(45) to return .5... |
| 21:25.42 | ckknight | I put him on ignore |
| 21:25.42 | ckknight | and all that stress went away |
| 21:25.49 | ckknight | Cide, isn't it 0.707? |
| 21:25.53 | Cide | it is |
| 21:25.56 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 21:25.56 | Cide | sin(30) is .5 |
| 21:26.01 | ckknight | yea |
| 21:26.07 | JoshBorke | ( ckknight ): did you see the newest fubar bug? (maybe not newest) |
| 21:26.15 | ckknight | which one's that? |
| 21:26.19 | Cide | so I get it to display a 45 degree angle when using a 30 degree angle... |
| 21:26.19 | groll | hmm how would i write this in lua instead? http://wow.pastebin.com/687760 ,also want to replace groll ie name with myself in someway |
| 21:26.38 | JoshBorke | cleanDefaults is defined as a local function in Fubar.lua but is called in FubarPlugin.lua |
| 21:26.52 | ckknight | yea, already fixed that |
| 21:26.58 | ckknight | wtf, 4 people filed the same bug |
| 21:27.04 | Cide | groll: TargetUnit("player"); TargetLastEnemy(); CastSpellByName("Stormstrike(Rank 1"); |
| 21:27.04 | JoshBorke | lol, yea |
| 21:27.08 | ckknight | no |
| 21:27.09 | ckknight | nvm |
| 21:27.10 | ckknight | 6 |
| 21:27.13 | groll | thanks |
| 21:27.21 | ckknight | svn has it fixed |
| 21:27.21 | Tain | I thought about filing it as well just to make sure you saw it. ;) |
| 21:27.21 | Cide | not sure why you swap targets, though :) |
| 21:27.39 | Tain | svn is irrelevant to released versions for d/l though. |
| 21:27.53 | Cide | well, actually, I can see the point now, nevermind :) |
| 21:28.51 | JoshBorke | ( ckknight ): how can i find a missing module/plugin? I can't seem to find clockfu even though it shows up in the tooltip |
| 21:29.28 | Cairenn | ckknight: post the fix on wowi |
| 21:30.36 | ckknight | Cairenn, soon |
| 21:30.41 | Cairenn | ckknight: okay |
| 21:30.45 | ckknight | JoshBorke, fixing... |
| 21:32.15 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:32.23 | Cairenn | well, the others best stop too ;) |
| 21:32.29 | Kirkburn | =( |
| 21:34.39 | Maldivia | *grumble* Anyone here play/played Baldur's Gate 2? Felt like replaying it, and is trying to get it to work with a higher resolution than 1024x768, but so far not much luck, keeps crashing whne interacting with certain spells and a lot of items :| |
| 21:35.06 | Cairenn | Maldivia: played it on the PS2, not the computer, sorry |
| 21:35.18 | Maldivia | Cairenn: yeah, that's not exactly the same game :) |
| 21:35.26 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 21:36.07 | Cide | grr, so close, yet so far! |
| 21:36.08 | Maldivia | I managed to hack the game a bit, to accept 1280x1024 resolution, or windowed mode 1280x960, but even with the unhacked exe, it crashes :| |
| 21:36.09 | Cairenn | hence the "sorry" |
| 21:37.28 | Kaso | Wtf Textures in the same layer load in a random order |
| 21:38.09 | ckknight | okay, I'm gonna update FuBar, it'll fix people's issues |
| 21:40.46 | JoshBorke | a horde hunter is melee'ing himself to death by attacking me while i have retribution aura up |
| 21:42.54 | Tem | retro aura does enough damage to kill something? |
| 21:43.03 | JoshBorke | when he's lvl 40 and i'm 60 |
| 21:43.10 | JoshBorke | and he keeps autoattacking |
| 21:43.20 | Tain | Hunters only have like 10 hp anyway. |
| 21:48.48 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [-b zeeg!*@*] by Cairenn |
| 21:49.02 | groll | any way to write this in a more efficent way? http://wow.pastebin.com/687796 |
| 21:49.35 | Iriel | What's the point of the if? |
| 21:49.42 | Iriel | if X then Y else Y end |
| 21:49.44 | Iriel | seems odd |
| 21:50.09 | groll | well i dont know.. i'm just trying to rewrite another addon and know like jack shit about coding :P |
| 21:50.13 | groll | that's why i'm asking |
| 21:50.44 | groll | it's supposed to be like this, if i have a friend targeted cast spell on him, if not then target me and cast spell on me instead |
| 21:50.44 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/687801 |
| 21:51.31 | groll | ok so that will do the same then :D |
| 21:51.59 | haste | groll: the example you posted would cast the heal anyway, not raeson to check |
| 21:52.16 | groll | yes it will always cast it |
| 21:52.20 | groll | but not on me right? |
| 21:52.30 | Cide | Iriel: how would you suggest that I calculate the height of the triangle? it seems that I'm either 1) getting too high a height, or 2) miscalculating some place else, seems like #1 is the most likely one... |
| 21:52.38 | groll | if i have a friend targeted that is |
| 21:52.39 | Cide | right now, I'm calculating the x and y coordinates of the top right corner, and then subtracting sin(angle2)*xCoord from yCoord |
| 21:53.22 | haste | groll: your if was: if X is true, then we do Y, if X isn't true then we do Y |
| 21:53.36 | groll | ah hmm ok |
| 21:53.42 | haste | so it will work as the previous version |
| 21:54.18 | groll | ok how would i do to make it cast the spell on my friend if i have him targed and if no friend then cast it on me |
| 21:54.31 | Cide | just remove the if statement |
| 21:54.33 | haste | I think the code you have there will work just fine |
| 21:54.33 | Iriel | Cide: I would imagine that should work |
| 21:54.48 | Cide | CastSpellByName("Healing Wave"); if ( SpellIsTargeting() ) then SpellTargetUnit("player") end |
| 21:54.58 | groll | k thanks as iriel said then :D |
| 21:55.00 | haste | if you have a friendly unit targeted the spell will begin to cast, if not it will attempt to cast it on you |
| 21:55.05 | Cide | Iriel: that's what I wasn't hoping for, hehe |
| 21:56.19 | Cide | I then divide it by sin(angle1)*128 to get the height as a ratio |
| 21:56.58 | Cide | but I must be doing something wrong, since I have to input 30 degrees as angle2 to get a 45 degree angle |
| 21:57.11 | groll | oh no you broke it Iriel :P now it dont show up in the keybindings :p |
| 21:57.35 | Cide | looks fine to me |
| 21:57.37 | Cide | did you copy & paste? |
| 21:58.19 | groll | yep |
| 21:58.25 | Iriel | Cide: Are you compensating in your inner code for the fact that the region isn't square? |
| 21:58.38 | Iriel | Cide: YOu need to normalize everything by dividing by the x,y coords of the top right corner |
| 21:59.13 | groll | doh |
| 21:59.28 | groll | found the error :D |
| 21:59.37 | Cide | let me try with a square region first |
| 22:00.17 | netcurse | hey groll you still playing on sc ? |
| 22:00.22 | groll | yep |
| 22:00.25 | groll | no guild though |
| 22:00.30 | netcurse | k, just killed c thun .p |
| 22:00.50 | groll | ye i know, i was gm for daakrook so he told me right after :p |
| 22:01.02 | netcurse | try to apply for curse but i m not sure they needs shaman |
| 22:01.10 | netcurse | i ll put my words to fura |
| 22:01.17 | groll | they dont :( talked to malborn |
| 22:01.21 | netcurse | allright |
| 22:01.26 | groll | but i guess i can check again :D |
| 22:03.50 | groll | netcurse nope no spot for a shammy :( |
| 22:04.25 | netcurse | ok.( |
| 22:04.37 | groll | woohoo addon works :D |
| 22:05.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge dukeku (i=dukeku@c-67-160-162-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 22:10.00 | Kaso | Is it possible to make my draggable Frame still move with its parent |
| 22:13.17 | groll | hmm is there a way to use purge rank 2 and if there is not 2 buffs to purge use rank 1 instead? |
| 22:13.39 | Kaso | dont they cost the same mana nowadays |
| 22:13.39 | Tem | Kaso: yes |
| 22:14.09 | Tem | Kaso: what you will need to do is re-anchor your frame to it's parent right after you call frame:StopMovingOrSizing() |
| 22:14.30 | Kaso | ok cool |
| 22:14.34 | groll | yes same mana but if there isnt 2 buffs to dispell you cant cast rank 2 |
| 22:14.40 | Kaso | groll rank 1 and 2 use same mana |
| 22:15.26 | groll | yes |
| 22:15.50 | groll | but i want one keypress and if you try to use rank 2 but there is only one buff to dispell you dont cast the spell anyway |
| 22:15.56 | groll | then you have to use rank 1 |
| 22:16.13 | Kaso | are you sure? I can dispell magic people with only 1 buff |
| 22:16.20 | groll | dispell yes |
| 22:16.29 | groll | but not purge with rank 2 if only one buff |
| 22:16.36 | Kaso | thats wierd |
| 22:16.44 | groll | i'm like 99% sure about that |
| 22:16.51 | Kaso | but i dont think there'd be an easy way to do that |
| 22:17.04 | groll | k |
| 22:17.11 | groll | oh well then it will be rank 1 only then |
| 22:23.32 | Kaso | Tem : Im a noob how exactly do i re-anchor it |
| 22:24.31 | Tem | Kaso: you will need to use the frame API to get the position of your frame and it's parent |
| 22:24.43 | Kaso | ah |
| 22:25.53 | Kirkburn | Ooh, they're changing stacking .... http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/8081336.htm |
| 22:26.11 | Tem | you will also need to handle the frames' scales |
| 22:27.02 | Tem | Kirkburn: yay! I was just thinking yesterday that Flask Powder should stack to 20 |
| 22:27.26 | Qaarh | the skinners dream, yes. to 20 please :) |
| 22:28.14 | Cide | but no potions stacking to 10/20 :( |
| 22:29.14 | Kirkburn | GRRR ... http://wow.azzor.com/?newsid=609 |
| 22:29.19 | Qaarh | yeah.. that would so totally rock if pots would stack to 20 |
| 22:29.29 | Kirkburn | To explain my grr, it comes up with a warning in IE |
| 22:29.40 | Kirkburn | Telling me to download Firefox |
| 22:29.45 | Qaarh | don't use IE |
| 22:29.46 | JoshBorke | ( Kirkburn ): upgrading clearfont fixed it :D |
| 22:29.54 | Kirkburn | JoshBorke, cool |
| 22:29.56 | Qaarh | IE is the root of all evil and a little more :P |
| 22:30.24 | Kirkburn | I would be fine with it, *if the website broke in IE* |
| 22:30.45 | Kirkburn | I also don't see the point any more with IE7 coming out |
| 22:30.56 | JoshBorke | anyone know why i might be freezing when i jump off the boat in theramore? |
| 22:31.15 | Qaarh | JoshBorke, I've heard this before.. a friend told me the same |
| 22:31.15 | clad|work | JoshBorke: I do too.. not sure what causes it. |
| 22:31.22 | Gryphen | don't use azzor |
| 22:31.26 | JoshBorke | wb cladhaire |
| 22:31.30 | cladhaire | lol thx. |
| 22:31.32 | JoshBorke | it's a hit and miss kinda thing too |
| 22:31.50 | Cairenn | cladhaire ! |
| 22:32.17 | JoshBorke | that was definitely scripted |
| 22:32.21 | cladhaire | Cairenn: Oh hi |
| 22:32.25 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, well that's one method :) I only look at it via the newsfeed anyway |
| 22:32.28 | Cairenn | oh hi? |
| 22:32.45 | Cairenn | wow, try to curb your enthusiasm :p |
| 22:32.57 | *** join/#wowi-lounge AnduinLothar (n=KarlKFI@ip70-187-188-195.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 22:33.07 | Gryphen | Probably the same hypocrites who complain when they reach a site that is IE only |
| 22:33.32 | Cairenn | cladhaire: wanna have dinner tomorrow evening? |
| 22:34.09 | cladhaire | Cairenn: Ummm..... yes =) |
| 22:34.11 | cladhaire | =) |
| 22:34.42 | Cairenn | cladhaire: with myself and kiddo, I meant ... I presumed you'd be having dinner regardless :p |
| 22:34.59 | Cairenn | cladhaire: I'm going to be in town, thought we might hook up |
| 22:35.02 | cladhaire | Indeed.. any issue with me bringing the boy? with moral corruption and all that nonsense? |
| 22:35.06 | AnduinLothar | my eating dinner is never definite |
| 22:35.12 | cladhaire | oh we can definitely hook up, just a matter of hwteher or not we have dinner |
| 22:35.36 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 22:35.46 | AnduinLothar | tho tomorrow I think i'll be at a LAN party, we'll prolly have pizza at midnight |
| 22:35.49 | Cairenn | oh, yes, you're going to shock the ever living hell out of my oh so innocent and sweet 18 year old daughter that is attending an ARTS high school ... definitely |
| 22:35.55 | cladhaire | hahahaha |
| 22:36.03 | cladhaire | we're american too |
| 22:36.05 | cladhaire | *duck* |
| 22:36.16 | Cairenn | where 3/4 of the school population is gay |
| 22:36.35 | Cairenn | yeah, she'll be real offended by meeting your boyfriend, definitely |
| 22:37.02 | Cairenn | anyway ... |
| 22:37.05 | [MoonWolf] | night |
| 22:37.10 | cladhaire | lol, no that should be great! |
| 22:37.11 | Cairenn | night [MoonWolf], sweet dreams |
| 22:37.17 | Cairenn | cladhaire: :) |
| 22:37.22 | cladhaire | just make sure i get your phone number ahead of time |
| 22:37.23 | AnduinLothar | cair, i don't think your sarcism is evident enough, do you think you could make it more blatent? |
| 22:37.27 | cladhaire | i'm not sure it got saved last time through =) |
| 22:37.45 | Cairenn | cladhaire: ditto, I'm quite sure I've lost yours by this point, as well |
| 22:37.53 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: I'll just have to try harder I guess |
| 22:38.45 | AnduinLothar | thx, i'd appreciate it. I HATE it when people are ambiguously sarcastic |
| 22:38.54 | Cairenn | I know, it's frustrating |
| 22:39.22 | AnduinLothar | anyone else having trouble reaching http://www.cosmosui.org/ ? |
| 22:39.38 | Miravlix | yes |
| 22:39.40 | groll | Cairenn how do i submit an addon to you? |
| 22:40.00 | Cairenn | groll: go to whichever category it would belong in, you'll see the upload button there |
| 22:40.01 | groll | ah nevermind found iut |
| 22:40.11 | Cairenn | groll: or, on the front page, left hand side menu |
| 22:40.13 | AnduinLothar | i told you it's confusing.. |
| 22:40.47 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: I can't hit cosmos site ... |
| 22:41.00 | AnduinLothar | thx, i'll bug thott |
| 22:43.02 | JoshBorke | i wonder if GMs know why kids love cinnamon toast crunch |
| 22:43.44 | AnduinLothar | mmm, thought that was apple jacks |
| 22:44.24 | AnduinLothar | actually, i'm pretty sure the "We just do!" advertizing was Apple Jacks |
| 22:44.38 | AnduinLothar | cause "It doesn't taste like apple." |
| 22:45.22 | AnduinLothar | And it always baffled me why they showed groups of teenages all gathered eating ceriel |
| 22:45.38 | AnduinLothar | esp in the middle of the day |
| 22:46.00 | weab | you aren't cool if you don't bring cerial in your lunchbox |
| 22:46.11 | AnduinLothar | k, cosmosui is fixed |
| 22:48.03 | groll | Cairenn uploaded my addon :D |
| 22:49.08 | Cairenn | approved |
| 22:49.15 | groll | woohoo :D |
| 22:50.17 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:52.35 | Kaso | this:SetPoint("CENTER",this:GetParent(),pRIGHT-tRIGHT,pTOP-tTOP) |
| 22:52.40 | Kaso | bah |
| 22:52.49 | Kaso | there was a question with that :. |
| 22:53.13 | Kaso | how do i set the child's anchor to its posiontion realtive to its parent using SetPoint |
| 22:53.27 | Kaso | cos ^ that isnt working |
| 22:54.38 | Iriel | Well, you're missing a point there |
| 22:54.57 | Iriel | this:SetPoint("CENTER",this:GetParent(),"CENTER", x, y) |
| 22:55.05 | Kaso | ohh |
| 22:55.33 | Iriel | If 'this:GetScale()' is not == 1 be prepared to adjust for it |
| 22:55.58 | Iriel | though usually anchoring to your parent takes any surprises out of that |
| 22:56.12 | Kaso | Why do GUIs have to be so complicated :< In future ill stick to command line |
| 22:57.29 | Cide | they are quite time consuming |
| 22:57.40 | Cide | not that complicated when you get the hang of it, but very time consuming |
| 22:58.30 | Kaso | Im still confused it isnt working, this:GetParent():GetRight()-this:GetRight() is correct to get the x right? or am i being stupid, ive been doing this all day i think my brain is melting |
| 22:58.48 | Cide | is there a reason as to why you're setting it up using LUA? |
| 22:58.54 | Cide | I find it easier to do positioning in XML |
| 22:59.11 | Kaso | How else would i do it? Im learning as i go here so any advice would help |
| 22:59.24 | Cide | well, I've missed the conversation so... what are you trying to do? |
| 22:59.34 | Kaso | Ive got a child that is draggable and a parent that is draggable too, i want the child to move with its parent |
| 23:00.38 | Cide | ah, that takes LUA I guess ;) |
| 23:01.43 | Kaso | at the moment OnMouseUp im doing this:SetPoint("CENTER",this:GetParent(),pRIGHT-tRIGHT,pTOP-tTOP) there p is parent and t is this but its going wierd |
| 23:01.44 | zespri | Iriel, returning to the topic od editboxes. Any idea why when I paste 10000 char text I get 3s freeze, 20000 - 12s, 30000-25s 370000-43s 420000-55s ? |
| 23:02.01 | Cide | do you ClearAllPoints before? |
| 23:02.16 | zespri | I tried to override different event handlers with empty ones and I resuced this time but in less then a half |
| 23:02.31 | Kaso | Yeh, but i seem to have to GetRight and GetTop before i ClearAllPoints they return nil after i assume that is normal |
| 23:03.21 | Cide | yep |
| 23:04.28 | Kaso | if i pastebin the code would you mind looking at it its not too long |
| 23:04.38 | Iriel | zespri: I have no idea, but then I dont know how the windows clipboard works |
| 23:05.05 | Iriel | zespri: my guess would be that the editbox rendering/layout code isn't optimized for huge blocks of text |
| 23:05.21 | Iriel | Kaso: Be careful using right and top, if you're offseting from center |
| 23:05.52 | Kaso | hmm |
| 23:05.58 | Iriel | Kaso: though I suppose as long as you remember that the origin is BOTTOM LEFT and you have to negate everything you'll be fine |
| 23:06.15 | Iriel | But you might want to consider using "TOPRIGHT" as your anchor point |
| 23:06.27 | Kaso | Man my brain is fried today, lemme try |
| 23:08.16 | zespri | Thank you Iriel |
| 23:09.42 | Kirkburn | Oooh, I've reached 6pm in 24 season 1 ... so exciting :) |
| 23:10.37 | Tain | I still need to get the DVDs, since I didn't get in on 24 from the beginning I couldn't see trying to jump in the middle. |
| 23:10.40 | Elviso | any Timex pros around? |
| 23:11.42 | AnduinLothar | chronos has similar syntax, but other than that, no |
| 23:12.15 | Kirkburn | Ooh, wonder if the CG comments for Timex are as bitchy as ever ... they really shoudl delete it |
| 23:12.40 | Kirkburn | I think I may mean the worldofwar version |
| 23:14.12 | Kirkburn | Nope still there on CG .. |
| 23:15.05 | AnduinLothar | anyone know of any nifty nfa -> dfa conversion software? |
| 23:18.56 | Tem | Kirkburn: that's the main reason I won't host my stuff there anymore |
| 23:19.02 | Tem | the users are complete jackholes |
| 23:19.39 | Tain | Supposedly addon authors are going to get moderation rights over the comments in thier addons there soon, which will help. |
| 23:19.47 | Tem | yeah |
| 23:19.56 | bsodergren | what ? |
| 23:20.03 | Tem | regardless of moderation power, S:N is *way* too low |
| 23:20.08 | Kirkburn | Tem, if you read the description he gave timex some of it is well founded. If only because it's totally out of date now |
| 23:20.13 | Tain | Yep. |
| 23:20.21 | Kaso | got it, thanks Iriel and Cide, note to kaso -(x-y) doesnt mean -x-y |
| 23:20.25 | bsodergren | Tain, what do you mean moderation rights over comments ? |
| 23:20.26 | Kirkburn | But anyways, the moderation stuff shoudl help :) |
| 23:20.28 | Tem | Kirkburn: no, it's not well founded |
| 23:20.36 | Cide | Kaso: glad you got it working |
| 23:20.39 | Tem | Kirkburn: Timex hasn't been updated on CG in a long time |
| 23:20.42 | Iriel | Kaso: yay |
| 23:20.43 | Tain | bsodergren: being able to delete comments people leave on your addons. |
| 23:20.48 | Tem | but it's still being actively developed |
| 23:20.49 | Iriel | Cide: How's your little nightmare going? |
| 23:20.54 | Cide | not that well |
| 23:21.03 | Kirkburn | Tem I just said : "If only because it's totally out of date now" |
| 23:21.04 | bsodergren | Tain, oh.. i assume this isnt a warcraft thing but like, Curse ? |
| 23:21.07 | Iriel | 8-( |
| 23:21.20 | Tain | Presumably just comments that are rude and insulting, but some people will end up deleting any comment they don't like. |
| 23:21.28 | Tain | Yes bsodergren just on curse-gaming.com |
| 23:21.30 | Kirkburn | Tain, hasn't happened on worldofwar |
| 23:21.33 | bsodergren | ah.. |
| 23:21.38 | Kirkburn | And we get that power |
| 23:21.41 | bsodergren | its about time !! |
| 23:21.45 | Cide | I mostly got stopped in my tracks by a DM west group in need of a priest, but I didn't get where to normalize with topX and topY |
| 23:21.56 | Tain | You'd hope most people would be responsible about it. |
| 23:22.49 | Tem | gah, the tern is evading me atm... What do you call... like.. 5 |
| 23:22.50 | Gryphen | Why care if they delete every comment good or bad? |
| 23:22.51 | Tem | or 6? |
| 23:23.08 | Tem | (in the context of programming) |
| 23:23.34 | Tain | Gryphen: Because I'd like to be able to think people act like responsible adults and have enough respect for others to not just delete everything. |
| 23:23.39 | Tain | I *don't* actually think that. |
| 23:23.40 | Kirkburn | As I said, people have had that power on worldofwar for a long time, and I have not seen it abused |
| 23:23.41 | Iriel | Tem: A literal? |
| 23:23.41 | Tain | But I'dl ike to. |
| 23:23.47 | Tem | Iriel: yes, thank you |
| 23:23.56 | Tain | It's an overall, "Hope for humanity" ideal. |
| 23:24.03 | Gryphen | ya, big hope |
| 23:24.26 | Kirkburn | It's mostly used (in my case) for deleting duplicate comments, or outright flame spam (I think I've had one instance of that) |
| 23:25.15 | Kirkburn | Tbh honest, if an author is behaving irresonsibly, people will go elsewhere |
| 23:25.28 | Kirkburn | Lol, that was like saying "Pin number" |
| 23:25.51 | Tain | Not always, Kirkburn. A lot of people still use addons by authors they don't like. |
| 23:26.12 | Kirkburn | Well, er, they're silly |
| 23:26.12 | Tain | Or authors who are downright assholes to their users. |
| 23:26.18 | Tain | i.e. Saien |
| 23:26.28 | Kirkburn | Ooh, example? I liek gossip |
| 23:26.49 | Tain | Read through the Saien's addons thread on the Blizz UI forum. |
| 23:27.00 | Tain | He's got a lot to say to the people who use his addons. |
| 23:27.14 | Kirkburn | What's his addons? |
| 23:27.35 | Tem | things I refuse to use because of how much of an ass he is? |
| 23:27.42 | Tem | ~emulate saien |
| 23:27.44 | purl | Why do I care? Why are you posting here? |
| 23:27.50 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:27.52 | Tem | ~emulate saien |
| 23:27.53 | purl | Your question is not very descriptive, helpful, or useful in any manner. |
| 23:28.09 | Tem | ~emulate saien |
| 23:28.10 | purl | I could have helped you, but I won't. |
| 23:28.15 | Kirkburn | He sounds rather highly strung |
| 23:28.19 | Tem | (these are all direct quotes btw) |
| 23:28.26 | Kirkburn | Love it |
| 23:29.24 | Kirkburn | "I have quit WoW, at least temporarily." |
| 23:29.32 | Kirkburn | From possibly his website? |
| 23:29.38 | Kirkburn | http://64.168.251.69/wow/ |
| 23:29.47 | Cide | fun thing is |
| 23:29.59 | Cide | what he says is somewhat how I feel sometimes :) |
| 23:30.31 | Kirkburn | Ah yes, but you have to not say it :P Or edit your comment quickly when you suddenly regret saying it |
| 23:30.35 | Tem | A few times I've felt the same way |
| 23:31.09 | Tem | Though, my personal favorite was once when he said some stuff that was really incorrect |
| 23:31.10 | Kirkburn | So, has Saien quit? |
| 23:31.16 | Cide | doubt it |
| 23:31.30 | Cide | let me ask |
| 23:31.35 | Tem | I had to chance to reply to his post wih "You are, of course, wrong, and I invite you to prove it to yourself." |
| 23:31.36 | Kirkburn | He felt too much love for the community ... |
| 23:31.52 | Kirkburn | lol Tem |
| 23:31.53 | Tem | s/to chance/the chance/ |
| 23:32.04 | Tem | Kirkburn: that's another direct quote from him |
| 23:32.07 | Tain | I've often wondered what this channel would be like if he were a part of it. |
| 23:32.21 | Kirkburn | *cough* zeeg *cough* |
| 23:32.23 | Cide | he's pretty quiet |
| 23:32.23 | Gryphen | moderated |
| 23:32.29 | Cide | he's not that bad in person |
| 23:32.34 | Tain | Most people aren't. |
| 23:32.36 | Tem | Cide: ? |
| 23:32.37 | Kirkburn | yeah |
| 23:32.41 | Tem | Cide: you know him IRL? |
| 23:32.54 | Kirkburn | "<Cide> let me ask" |
| 23:32.54 | Cide | well, "in person" is the wrong phrase I guess |
| 23:32.58 | Tain | But when you're in an online world how you portray yourself online is the only thing that matters. |
| 23:33.00 | Cide | I don't know him IRL |
| 23:33.18 | Tem | what did you mean by that then? |
| 23:33.23 | Kirkburn | I'd say talking to people on here would make me say I 'know' them |
| 23:33.41 | Cide | Tain: yes, but I'm not going to act the same way towards you as I will towards a user who submits "ctmod is bugegd, hlep me it no wrok wen i instlal" |
| 23:33.43 | Kirkburn | Which people find odd when I say I'll ask the author for them later |
| 23:34.06 | AnduinLothar | rtfm noob |
| 23:34.10 | Cide | I don't defend his actions, but when I've talked to him he's been nice (not to say that he's not a rude person, but still) |
| 23:34.25 | Kirkburn | Roughly translated as "what is this? A keyboard? I do not understand. I shall bang at it and hope to kill Raggy" |
| 23:34.41 | Tem | I had someone post a comment on one of my addons "Can someone tell me exactly how this works?" |
| 23:34.51 | Cide | oh and a friend of mine says he "pretty much" quit |
| 23:35.00 | AnduinLothar | my favorite.... what does this do? |
| 23:35.08 | Tem | It's taking every bit of my self-control to keep myself from replying with the entire source code |
| 23:35.15 | Tain | Cide I agree completely. The problem I have with him isn't his reaction to users like that, it's ones who ask legitimate questions. He still responds that way. |
| 23:35.22 | Kirkburn | People *always* ask for screenshots |
| 23:35.41 | Gryphen | ya lol |
| 23:35.47 | Kirkburn | Even when it's a library or similar |
| 23:36.13 | Cide | Tain: yeah, I've seen that too |
| 23:36.17 | Tem | oh yay |
| 23:36.19 | AnduinLothar | i should make a screenshot and use it for libraries that shows the ui hidden |
| 23:36.20 | Tem | time for me to get off |
| 23:36.21 | Kirkburn | "look, even if I posted a screenshot IT WOULDN'T SHOW ANYTHING" ...... 2 mins later ...... "Screenshot plx!" |
| 23:36.38 | Tem | later guys |
| 23:36.42 | Kirkburn | see ya tem |
| 23:36.47 | AnduinLothar | then they'd be like... "oh noes! a paladin, I dun wanna use this!" |
| 23:36.49 | Tain | Not I still don't respond to the, "how do i instal this addons?!?!??!!!" like I'd like to. |
| 23:37.15 | netcurse | Kirkburn-> can you please give me the links of the comments you were talking about on curse please |
| 23:37.34 | AnduinLothar | they only want a ss so they can make a snap judgement rather than taking time to figure it out |
| 23:37.35 | cladhaire | <3 net =) |
| 23:37.57 | Kirkburn | netcurse, on the timex stuff. It's all over now, but some of the stuff on there gives everyone a bad name. |
| 23:38.09 | Kirkburn | *on the Timex addon page |
| 23:38.19 | netcurse | ok let me see this |
| 23:38.20 | Gryphen | should just wipe the comments with the move |
| 23:38.22 | Gryphen | heh |
| 23:38.41 | Tain | Yeah actually, a clean comment slate wouldn't be a bad idea. |
| 23:38.52 | Tain | Just because there's so much bad history with some addons. |
| 23:38.57 | Kirkburn | I had fun reading through it all though :P |
| 23:38.58 | netcurse | ahhh rowne |
| 23:39.12 | Kirkburn | ya |
| 23:39.16 | AnduinLothar | rowne owns my face everytime i leave comments on his addons |
| 23:39.22 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 23:39.31 | Gryphen | "did" at least |
| 23:40.06 | Kirkburn | (most of the timex hate was due to how he presented chronos and other addons) |
| 23:40.17 | netcurse | shall i just deleted the whole addon ? |
| 23:40.22 | AnduinLothar | i'm like, "hmm.. this does something similar to xxx addon." and i get an essay |
| 23:40.27 | netcurse | or it s anything good to learn from the code |
| 23:40.31 | Kirkburn | It's on wowi now |
| 23:41.22 | Kirkburn | I can't really say whether you should delete it, but it might be for the best |
| 23:41.28 | netcurse | theses comments are nearly one year old |
| 23:41.43 | Kirkburn | So's the version of the addon on there |
| 23:41.50 | Kirkburn | Part of the cleanup project? |
| 23:42.00 | Gryphen | Not a good idea to promote your own addon by bashing another in your sale |
| 23:42.17 | Gryphen | id wipe all comments with the move net :D start fresh |
| 23:42.22 | AnduinLothar | ya, i say wipe all comments, but it'd be nice if there was an archive for authors so we can repost comments |
| 23:42.35 | netcurse | i see |
| 23:42.42 | AnduinLothar | I'd also be cool if non-stickied comments expired after a while |
| 23:42.59 | Kirkburn | How would that make *you* cool AnduinLothar ? :P |
| 23:43.10 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.10 | AnduinLothar | IT'D dork |
| 23:43.15 | id` | i wipe comments not! |
| 23:43.19 | Tain | And it would be cool if curse sponsored beer and pizza nights for authors. |
| 23:43.24 | Kirkburn | dorka dorka |
| 23:43.37 | Gryphen | /golfclap |
| 23:43.59 | netcurse | Anduin |
| 23:44.11 | netcurse | in the new site you can allready filter comment |
| 23:44.13 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure if I should be insulted Gryphen ... |
| 23:44.22 | AnduinLothar | nah, what I mean is: have comments auto-expire after a variable time period, defaulting to 3 months. Then allow the author to sticky and unsticky comments to never expire |
| 23:44.35 | netcurse | day/week/month/3 month/6 month/ year/begining |
| 23:45.04 | Tain | Sticky author comments would be a nice thing, actually. |
| 23:45.11 | Kirkburn | netcurse, where's that option? |
| 23:45.18 | netcurse | it s on new site |
| 23:45.27 | Tain | In theory. In reality they'd just be more messages that people should read before they ask questions but don't. |
| 23:45.28 | netcurse | http://guildcurse.free.fr/cursev2/cursev21.JPG |
| 23:45.36 | netcurse | going live the 7 may |
| 23:45.41 | Kirkburn | ooh |
| 23:46.20 | Kirkburn | I should've expected the screenshot would be the model viewer |
| 23:46.55 | netcurse | http://guildcurse.free.fr/cursev2/curse%20v2.JPG |
| 23:46.56 | Kirkburn | As long as comments work in IE7 ... they don't currently |
| 23:46.57 | netcurse | .p |
| 23:47.38 | Kirkburn | (when I click the [+] button to make a comment in IE7, nothing happens) |
| 23:47.39 | netcurse | they do and we are totally xtml and w3c complient with new site |
| 23:47.46 | Kirkburn | Cool |
| 23:47.46 | netcurse | xhtml* |
| 23:48.28 | Kirkburn | I must ask ... do you have a fast version for patch days? |
| 23:48.43 | Kirkburn | Because you *need* one |
| 23:48.56 | Tain | All text. |
| 23:49.04 | netcurse | we won t need one, has unfornatly never been our problem |
| 23:49.05 | Gryphen | i got to mess with it Kirkburn, works great in ie7 |
| 23:49.14 | netcurse | BW |
| 23:49.27 | netcurse | the only probleme was server load due to bad coding |
| 23:49.38 | Kirkburn | Ah, I see |
| 23:49.43 | Kirkburn | Sounds good :) |
| 23:50.17 | Kirkburn | Competition is good, drives people to make their sites even better |
| 23:51.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zeeg (n=wguru@67.63.84.74) |
| 23:51.18 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+b *!n=wguru@67.63.84.74] by ChanServ |
| 23:51.18 | *** part/#wowi-lounge zeeg (n=wguru@67.63.84.74) |
| 23:52.54 | Cide | kind of sweet how he "Parts" based on a request by ChanServ |
| 23:52.59 | Cide | as opposed to getting kicked :) |
| 23:53.09 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 23:53.11 | Tain | It's a very polite request. |
| 23:53.27 | Cide | indeed |
| 23:54.53 | *** part/#wowi-lounge ForgottenLords (n=Forgotte@059.216-123-195-0.interbaun.com) |
| 23:55.57 | netcurse | Kirkburn basicly we have now 11 servers all of them either bi opteron or mono opteron dual core with 8 giga ram in raid 5 under freebsd if this doesn t take a patch day i m gonna sucide .P |
| 23:56.28 | AnduinLothar | wow |
| 23:56.29 | Kirkburn | wow |
| 23:56.34 | Kirkburn | (timing!) |
| 23:58.09 | netcurse | about the comments on timex i ll ask our coder to create an archive fonction |
| 23:58.59 | Tain | You should still have a low bandwidth version. |
| 23:59.05 | netcurse | what for ? |
| 23:59.13 | netcurse | we can burst at 1 giga/second |
| 23:59.14 | Tain | Wait for patch day and see. |
| 23:59.20 | Kirkburn | Good idea :) I think you should still delete timex ... that version is broken and 8 months old |
| 23:59.21 | Cide | the images are probably half your bandwidth |
| 23:59.36 | Gryphen | WoW.com can't even stay up |
| 23:59.37 | Tain | I know all that computing power is impressive. |
| 23:59.52 | Kirkburn | Also, it will be cheaper on bandwidth costs |
| 23:59.54 | AnduinLothar | ya actually i still get complaints about chronos being broken from users that have the timex from curse |
| 23:59.56 | netcurse | Delete result |
| 23:59.56 | netcurse | Delete successfull ! |
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