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00:27.46KtronAnduinLothar, do you know much about BuffOptions and/or did you write it?
00:28.56Ktronor anyone else? trying to figure out how to reposition parts of it/fix the positioning of parts of it
00:29.23AnduinLotharMugendai wrote it
00:29.29AnduinLotharwhat's wrong?
00:29.46Elvisohey AnduinLothar
00:29.55AnduinLotharwe just use MobileFrames for repositioning, but it should work on the 2 default locations
00:30.22Elvisodoes the thott data thingy take into account multiple people in the same raid seeing an item drop? (in relation to the drop %'s)
00:30.53KtronIt's not placing itembuffs well
00:31.04AnduinLothari have no idea how it works elviso
00:31.11Elvisook thx :)
00:31.12Ktronit's overlapping item buffs and regular buffs
00:32.13AnduinLotharhave anythign else positioning them?
00:33.34Ktronyeah, some visor had them, I cleared that and they still overlap, but only barely, and it's workable
00:33.59Ktronthe borders overlap, but not the icons
00:34.02Ktronor the text
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00:42.55KtronI think I tweaked it with visor into submision
00:42.59Ktron*submission :)
00:45.23AnduinLotharin java how do i get the name of the enclosing class as a string?
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01:15.47zespri_workI can tell you how to do in c# but this is probably not of much help =)
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01:22.10AnduinLotharprolly not
01:34.43ckknightneed advice
01:34.50ckknightshould I make clickable tooltip buttons look different, look different when hovering, or just like every other line?
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01:41.15nekoanyone awake?
01:42.08Wobin_noone here but us chickens
01:42.55nekok... installed clearfont and now playernames don't wanna play :(
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01:58.56ckknightplayer names?
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02:23.13zespri_workhow to change a font of something in wow? how does it work? in particular I want to change the font of item counters that are displayed in the right bottom conner of action buttons
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02:45.30zespri_workSetFontObject i guess
02:51.58ckknightSetFontObject and SetFont
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02:54.36bsodergrendoes anyone see anything wrong with the XML in this frame code?
02:54.38bsodergrenhttp://pastebin.com/684244
02:55.12bsodergreni copied paste it from another addon and did a file wide replace ofs some text and it wont load up now.
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03:04.05zespri_workI wonder if SetFont affects all inherited Fonts
03:08.50bsodergrendunno, but man, i need to get the above fixed..
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03:22.28zespri_workgo to the framexml.log and see what error it produces
03:22.33zespri_workthis may hint you
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03:26.51bsodergrenit says cant parse XML
03:29.51zespri_workbad luck
03:33.05zespri_workman, really. Look at line 222 and then 229. Nothing strikes you? =)
03:33.51zespri_workthis happens when hand edit =)
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03:34.26bsodergrendoh !
03:41.31zespri_workif framexml.log says can't parse; most likely that xml is mailformed - i.e. it's just not xml at all. Loading this xml in any validating editor or whatever will immideatly show you the point of problem. I loaded it in Internet Explorer. You could have done this too, it's as simpe as that =)
03:43.21bsodergreni never thought of doing that..
03:43.47zespri_workhere we are - problem solved =)
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03:46.12ckknighthey, anyone know when UnitLevel("player") stops working?
03:46.21ckknightthe event
03:46.25ckknightit's close to PLAYER_LOGOUT
03:46.31ckknightbut at PLAYER_LOGOUT, it stops working
03:48.20zespri_workwild guess -player_leaving_world ?
03:48.22bsodergrenhmm...
03:48.50zespri_workand as well it is entirely possible that it stops right before plater_logout
03:48.52bsodergrencan you do hard tabs in a string and have it display correctly ? like how /n is a new line
03:48.58bsodergrenand usually /t does the tab
03:49.34ckknightdoesn't work in PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD
03:49.40ckknightI need to get it before it stops working
03:50.17ckknight\n, not /n
03:51.34bsodergreneither way...
03:56.26zespri_workyou can save UnitLevel at start up and the use PLAYER_LEVEL_UP to modify your stored value
03:56.40zespri_workthis way you will make sure that you always have the right player level
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04:15.18bsodergreninstead of EditBox, whts the name of the frame type that i can use that is just like that, but un-editable ?
04:17.24zespri_workyou can put a font string whereever you want you will need to find a proper texture for background if you need background
04:17.45bsodergrenya, but the text has  few line breaks in it.
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04:19.48zespri_workwell there may be somethign similar. I just never come across it
04:22.19zespri_workyou may want to have a look at the ui element that displays chat messages
04:22.35zespri_worknot sure what this one is but it may be what you are looking for
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04:41.39sloukenHeya
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04:42.08bsodergrenooo Iriel.. i got a quick question for you :)
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04:42.17bsodergreninstead of EditBox, whts the name of the frame type that i can use that is just like that, but un-editable ?
04:42.18Irielme? fire away
04:42.30IrielDefine 'Just like that' ?
04:42.51IrielYou could try a Frame with a FontString in it, or maybe a ScrollingMessageFrame with one line, or a SimpleHTML
04:42.52bsodergrenthe text thats displaying is several lines seperated with /n
04:43.01IrielSimpleHTML may suit you best then
04:43.02bsodergrenin a scrollingmessageframe ya
04:43.31Irielif it's going to be appended to constantly though, then you would want ScrollingMessageFrame
04:43.53bsodergrenno, its just to display a help document, more or less
04:44.16IrielWell, I have a soft spot for SimpleHTML
04:44.54bsodergreni need to learn how to make cool looking text instead of using like ItemTextFontNormal...
04:45.23IrielHey slouken, mind if I ask you a quick question about frame instantiation?
04:46.15sloukenSure, I may not know the answer offhand though.
04:46.39IrielWhich is created first, regions or subframes?
04:47.03bsodergrenyay, that worked good.. what else can i do in simplehtml frame ?
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04:47.40sloukenregions
04:47.44Irielhttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_SimpleHTML_SetText
04:47.50sloukenor subframes
04:47.54sloukenregions I think
04:48.11IrielWay to go inspiring confidence in your answer! 8-)
04:48.15sloukenlol
04:48.18sloukentold ya
04:48.27hyperChipmunkyou don't have to sound so sure about that
04:48.42bsodergrenwow.. simple html is an understatement !
04:49.32IrielHm, do frames add themselves to the global environment with rawset or a normal assignment (i.e. camn I use a metamethod on it to find out the answer for myself) ?
04:51.22sloukenThrough a normal set, I believe.
04:51.37IrielCool, now i'm done with SFK for the night I can test! Thanks 8-)
04:52.02Elvisoslouken, what addons do you use? :)
04:52.16bsodergrenhehe
04:52.45bsodergreni bet he uses that auto-traveler addon and the whispercast that automaticly decurses you when you move, seeing as he can bypass all that :x
04:53.19MiravlixNaah it was another blue that used AutoTravel
04:53.32sloukenI'm not telling. :)
04:53.32bsodergrenoh, and an alliance <-> horde translator too
04:54.10bsodergrenwhy is it in blizzard screenshots, the character in the screenshot is in the cheapest gear possible, but has 4 bottomless bags and always lvl 60 ?
04:54.52hyperChipmunkheh heh
04:55.02IrielThat's their rite of initiation for new recruits, they're dropped in the ocean with no gear, money, but a full set of bags
04:55.09Irieland told not to return without an epic mount
04:55.15bsodergrenlol
04:55.45MiravlixThey just do /script CreateItem("Mount")
04:55.59bsodergreni would tell you what i did to one of my guildies..
04:56.12bsodergrenbut im in aq atm.
04:57.08Irielslouken : Your second answer was correct, testing your first now
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04:57.43hyperChipmunkyou know what...I was just thinking, the 1.12 patch they teased about...maybe the battleground feature they're adding is some real api so we don't have to parse chat messages or scan textures to figure out who holds a node =P
04:57.56zespri_workmy friend gave me 1000g. he did it more then half a year ago. I'm still staring on this gold now thinking what should I do with this. Buy a mount? Some purple item?
04:58.05bsodergren..
04:58.07bsodergrenepix!!
04:58.37zespri_workI don't raid at all. I nfact I hardly play my level 60
04:58.39Miravlix_The best items is bop
04:58.42Miravlix_So get the mount
04:58.50zespri_workI mostly play low level chars
04:58.54Miravlix_Well, don't spend it then
04:59.02hyperChipmunkgive it to me
04:59.23zespri_workthat's what i've been doing last half a year =) probably I'll keep on, Miravlix
04:59.36Irielslouken : And your first answer was right too! 8-)
04:59.46sloukenOh good. :)
05:00.09IrielI'm just trying to make my frame creator preserve the default UI's order
05:00.14Miravlix_zespri: I haven't really played WoW Since 1.10 beta started
05:00.16hyperChipmunklucky guess
05:00.28Miravlix_So I have a hard time knowing if PQ works
05:01.37zespri_workMiravlix, this certanly harms improving this addon. For the record - I played a bit last week but I had it switched off =)
05:02.12Miravlix_And with the number of codeing projects I have on my todo list it will be another month or more before I get time to program again
05:02.32Miravlix_s/program/play/
05:03.33Miravlix_Why did you have it turned off?
05:04.03Miravlix_I haven't had a reason to turn PQ off since I fixed it.
05:04.56zespri_workokey, I'm not completely honest, I didn't turn it off. And it didn;'t disconnect me.
05:05.05zespri_workBut I didn't use it either
05:06.38Miravlix_I should prolly drop it to once pr. second
05:06.50Miravlix_There isn't really much point in 5 times pr. second
05:07.41bsodergrenyou know how you can define colors by doing like RED = "|cffff0000" and use it like, frame:AddMessage(RED.."Omg!") ..   whyu does that work but frame:AddMessage("|cffffoooo Omg!") not ?
05:07.58IrielDid you type it in to the edit box?
05:08.04bsodergrenya....
05:08.11IrielBecause if you did, you need to know when you type a | it inserts ||
05:08.12bsodergrenso thats why it work work i take  ?
05:08.16bsodergrenoo
05:08.31IrielUse \124
05:08.35Irielinstead of |
05:09.11bsodergrenso like,
05:09.23bsodergren<PROTECTED>
05:09.45IrielAnd you'd use 0 not o
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05:10.07bsodergrenya that was just my example..
05:10.08Iriel\124cffff0000
05:10.39EsamynnEvening all
05:10.50IrielHey Esamynn !
05:10.59krkanote that FAIAP handles || -> | automatically
05:11.09krkaso scripts that use colors works, if written with FAIAP
05:12.54Elvisoany Chronos experts here?
05:14.47bsodergreni got a small window that when i type in a command it pops up and has text about the addon and describing more of the commands..  i need some better fonts for it :|
05:17.08zespri_workElviso, state your question, I may be not able to help, but I'll try
05:17.28Miravlix_Elviso: It's pretty simple application, what do you need?
05:17.40ElvisoI may not need it, I remembered that wowwiki has some good documentation
05:17.54Elvisothx though
05:18.18MiravlixFrom memory Chronos.SheduleByName("Name", time, function)
05:18.46MiravlixIf you call SheduleByName again it will bump the time
05:19.56MiravlixChronos.IsSheduledByName("name") to check if you have a shedule running.
05:20.21ElvisoI just need to add an initial delay before the regular interval cycle starts
05:20.56Esamynnok, this is strange, when I call Texture:SetTexture("Interface\Buttons\UI-SliderBar-Button-Horizontal") and then I call :GetTexture() I get back nil
05:21.00MiravlixChronos.SheduleByName("MyFunc", 10, function) will call that function 10 seconds later
05:21.11IrielDoes the file exist?
05:21.29Esamynnyep, I use it in one of my XML files, its a slider thumb texture
05:21.33IrielWhat did SetTexture return?
05:21.45IrielBecause if that's lua code, you need \\ not \
05:21.56Esamynnoh right
05:22.03Esamynntotally forgot ;)
05:22.27MiravlixMy code use SetNormalTexture
05:23.02Esamynnthat worked, but I verified my crash bug too
05:23.44Esamynnif you call Slider:SetThumbTexture(textureObject) where textureObject is the current ThumbTexture of that slider, you get a hard crash
05:23.59Irieloops 8-)
05:25.28EsamynnTem: mind if I steal your "Slouken: I crash WoW" thread title? ;)
05:25.31InokisCair afk?
05:25.42Temgo for it :)
05:26.55CairennCair = here, but only for a couple more minutes
05:27.25InokisYou have a messenger sep from this chat room I can talk to you for a sec otherwise i'll just pm you wowi
05:27.51Tem<PROTECTED>
05:27.52Cairennare you registered? /msg nickserv register <pw>
05:28.02Inokisnever lets me register tried several times
05:28.09Cairennweird
05:28.33Cairennpick your poison, I've got several
05:28.35Inokisit can wait i'll talk to you when you hafe time
05:28.45CairennI have time
05:29.00Cairennmsn, aim, icq?
05:29.02hyperChipmunktalk to her before you make her angry
05:29.09Inokisall of the above
05:29.11hyperChipmunkshe'll rip your eyeballs out
05:29.13CairennhyperChipmunk: me? get angry? never happen
05:29.37hyperChipmunkyou won't like her when she's angry
05:29.44CairennInokis: sent you a PM on here, you won't be able to respond but you should be able to see it
05:29.55Cairenndid you?
05:30.58Inokisyep but it disappeared send it again
05:35.15EsamynnIriel: I'm just in the middle of updating my post of missing widget functions, do you think I could include the ones from your post of "previous requests" that haven't been implemented yet?
05:35.27IrielCertainly
05:35.35IrielCan you change GetTexCoord too?
05:36.45Esamynnyes, I already did, I use a seperate text file to maintain it because of the damn PRE tags
05:41.23Cairennokay, sleep time for me, night folks
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05:47.41Esamynnhmm, there are couple of "special" textures that I'm starting to think need their own type, because they really shouldn't be allowed to be given anchor points
05:47.50Irieloh?
05:48.23EsamynnThumbTexture for instance
05:48.41Esamynnif you Anchor it, it no longer moves when you drag the slider back and forth
05:49.11IrielI suppose one answer wouldbe 'dont anchor it' 8-)
05:50.04Esamynnthats true, you could take that stance
05:50.58IrielI'm just trying to figure out how likely that'd be to happen accidently
05:51.31Esamynnalso, as far as StatusBar:SetStatusBarTexture(texture)  I think it would be best to leave it as only taking a string because I can't think of any possible reason you would want to set any of the other Texture properties
05:51.49IrielWhat if you wanted a solid color?
05:51.51Irielor a gradient?
05:53.09Esamynnwell, for a solid colour, you can just call SetStatusBarColor with no texture set
05:54.25IrielOk, that I grant you
05:55.32Esamynnoh no, I take it back, you need a texture of some sort
05:56.02Irielbut it could conceivably create its own internally on color setting
05:59.34Esamynnyes
06:05.06EsamynnTechnically you break the consistency by doing that, but in this case I don't think there is a purpose to consistency, simply for it's own sake
06:23.19Esamynnanyone happen to know what the valid "orientation" values are for Texture:SetGradient?
06:23.25IrielI do..
06:23.41Iriel"HORIZONTAL"
06:23.44Iriel"VERTICAL"
06:25.00EsamynnI just fiddling around with it, because I have absoutely no idea what it is even supposed to do ;)
06:26.06Irielyou should be able to give it 2 colors and and orientation
06:26.15Irieland it should fade from one to the other
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06:27.00Esamynnoh I see, nothing like flidding around with something to figure it out :)
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06:28.54Esamynnorientation,minR,minG,minB,maxR,maxG,maxB = Texture:GetGradient()
06:28.56Esamynnorientation,minR,minG,minB,minA,maxR,maxG,maxB,maxA = Texture:GetGradient()
06:28.57EsamynnShould be
06:28.59Esamynnorientation,minR,minG,minB,minA,maxR,maxG,maxB,maxA = Texture:GetGradient()
06:29.00EsamynnIn my post, correct?  The fact that there are 2 sets is just a convinience right?
06:30.01IrielRight
06:30.05IrielAt least I would hope so
06:37.04Esamynnok, so the only thing I haven't addressed is the StatusBarTexture issue
06:38.02Esamynnotherwise, my post should be up-to-date now
06:43.01IrielI've updated the 'head' post
06:44.30Esamynn*woot* It's snowing (falling, not blowing) in Dun Morogh! :)
06:44.52IrielEsamynn : Since we get IsTopLevel in 1.10.2 should you still have it in your thread?
06:44.59Esamynnfirst time I've seen the falling snow :)
06:45.06IrielI've yet to see it 8-(
06:45.14ckknighthey, anybody want to do me a favor?
06:45.18Esamynnoh, didn't notice it was in for 1.10.2, i'll remove it
06:45.24ckknightpreferably someone with a lot of alts
06:45.32ckknightI wrote RestFu, and I need a screenshot
06:45.33Irielwhat's that?
06:45.51ckknightso I need someone to install it, go on a few alts, then take a screenshot of the tooltip
06:46.04ElvisoI will if you add left-justification :P
06:46.08ckknightgah
06:46.11ckknightlater
06:46.17ckknightone thing at a time
06:46.20ElvisoI have tons of alts
06:46.31Elvisoall w/rest xp
06:46.32ckknightI could do it, but I'd just create a bunch of level 1 guys
06:46.43ckknightElviso, I'll do it, just not today
06:46.49ckknightI have to revamp the panel class for that
06:46.50Elvisothat's fine
06:47.06EsamynnI'll say this, the falling snow looks as good as the rain, and MUCH MUCH better than that "blowing" crap
06:47.11ckknightneed to go from a true/false system to a "LEFT"/"CENTER"/"RIGHT" system
06:47.17ElvisoI understand it's prob not easy, but I'm glad to hear that you're taking it serious :)
06:47.24ckknightyea, yea
06:47.37IrielNot snowing on Silver Hand 8-(
06:47.41ckknightI'll do it once you send me the screenshot ;-)
06:47.53ckknighthooray for bribes
06:47.55Elvisoheh, was about to download it
06:49.21s|louphi
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06:52.10ElvisoHERESY!
06:52.31Irielheh
06:52.37Irielneed to keep an eye on the competition and all that
06:53.28TemAll I need to do is look at a screenshot or two to know I'll never enjoy that game
06:54.26IrielWhyso?
06:54.33IrielIgoring the mediocre UI
06:55.27TemI'm going on the UI
06:55.30Elvisohey ckknight, why is FuBar loading not loading for some of my alts....it's enabled and all
06:55.37Temsince that's 80% of my wow playtime nowadays
06:55.44Elvisohrmm
06:55.47ckknightgive an error?
06:56.09IrielTem: It's nothing like wow though, it's like wow's pretty but not all that bright cousin
06:56.12Elvisohrmm ankhtimer did, i'll disable that
06:56.28TemIriel: hah
06:56.50Esamynndamn, the snow stopped, oh well, at least I got to see it
06:56.51Elvisoya that was it
06:57.02Templus, my grades can't afford me getting addicted to another game
06:57.11TemI have learned to control my wow addiction
06:57.36krka|workme too, i barely play at all anymore!
06:57.43krka|workexcept all that time has been replaced by coding :/
06:58.15Elvisockknight, does RestFu work across realms?
06:58.22ElvisoI have alts on other realms too
06:58.24ckknightyes
06:58.29ckknightplease check those as well
06:58.37Elvisook
06:59.08ckknightat least a few
07:01.04ElvisoRestFu.lua:181: attempt to index local `alpha' (a nil value)
07:01.48ckknighthang on
07:02.22Elvisoworked fine for my other alts, weird
07:02.52ckknightpastebin your saved variables
07:02.57Elvisook
07:04.20Elvisohttp://wow.pastebin.com/684462
07:06.20ckknightwhat's the char/realm you logged on with?
07:06.30Elvisovictem / mug'thol realm
07:07.30Elvisogot it on another char as well
07:07.36Elvisosame exact error
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07:08.03Elvisohttp://wow.pastebin.com/684464
07:08.07Elvisoaeu / mug'thol
07:08.19ckknightgah, Could not locate remote server
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07:09.00Elvisoyeah I can't use "diff" on pastebin get a 404
07:10.38ckknightElviso, update
07:10.46Elvisook
07:10.46TemAbuuuh?
07:11.35Esamynnno Faking Sleep :P
07:11.40Irielsleep time for me
07:11.48Esamynnnight
07:11.51Temlater Iriel
07:11.56Temoh, we were making fun of Cair
07:12.11Temsince she changed her nick *hours* ago but was still, in fact, around
07:12.30ElvisoRestFu.lua:178: invalid order function for sorting
07:12.37Elvisocya Iriel
07:13.04IrielOne of my favorites 8-)
07:13.29IrielMy money's on poor handling of nil
07:13.56TemElviso: I think he actually commited a fix for that like *seconds* before you said that
07:14.06Elvisoheh
07:14.12sedatedChipmunk03:10 < CIA-13> ckknight * r1029 FuBar_RestFu/RestFu.lua: FuBar_RestFu - fixed nil bug.
07:14.18Elvisoah wasn't watching the ace channel
07:14.24sedatedChipmunk03:13 < Iriel> My money's on poor handling of nil
07:14.34ckknightcrap
07:14.37ckknightinvalid order?
07:14.52Temoh, unrelated bug then?
07:15.04Irielckknight - pastebin your sort function?
07:15.05ckknightno, it's related
07:15.08sedatedChipmunkah, then boss still loses
07:15.23ckknightIriel, it's screwy, I'm trying to find the root of the bug
07:15.31ckknightI put in a quick hack which must've broke it
07:15.38IrielLet me guess
07:15.46ckknightI'll get back to you, Elviso
07:15.52Irielif (not (a and b)) then return true/false; end
07:15.55Irielor something like that
07:15.58Elvisook
07:16.10ckknightif not bravo then return true elseif not alpha then return false end
07:16.22Irielwhat if both are nil
07:16.29ckknightit returns true
07:16.31ckknightso...yea
07:16.32Temugh, you and your alpha bravo stuff
07:16.36ckknightwhat?
07:16.39krka|workso nil < nil?
07:16.43Tem"a" and "b" are your friends
07:16.45ckknightright, krka
07:16.48Irielthat's the mistake everyone makes
07:16.48ckknightno way
07:16.49Iriel8-)
07:16.58ckknightit's easier to search for alpha than to search for a
07:17.16TemI'm too lazy to go to all that touble
07:17.21krka|worknil < nil should be false
07:17.35Tembut I like to write things such that I don't need to search
07:17.46krka|workbasically you have this sitution: a < b and b < a
07:17.51krka|workwhich makes no sense to the order function
07:18.41IrielThe other symptom that occasionally occurs with a screwed up order function is you fall off the end of the array
07:18.50Irieland get a nil where you dont expect it
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07:21.05Irielok, sleep, really this time
07:21.18sedatedChipmunkeveryoen always says that
07:21.23Temlater Iriel
07:21.30sedatedChipmunklike, i totally said that 10 min ago
07:21.32krka|worknight
07:21.33sedatedChipmunkand look
07:21.37sedatedChipmunkhehe
07:21.44sedatedChipmunk03:21 Irssi uptime: 21d 12h 9m 34s
07:21.46Temlol sedatedChipmunk
07:21.46krka|worklog out... that'd stop your logging for working
07:21.50krka|workthus missing interesting convos
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07:23.18AnduinLothari have decided that if I try hard enough I can write this parser, but I've learned absolutely nothing useful in class that would make my life easier
07:23.57AnduinLotharshe went over like 3 methods... all way to fast for us to have any idea how to actually impliment them
07:24.06EsamynnCompliers course?
07:24.11AnduinLotharya
07:24.44AnduinLotharturns out my parser was done a completely different way from what she wanted us to do but produced the same input
07:25.34AnduinLotharunfortunetly I procrastinated this one too long and thus pretty much get zero credit, but I'd still like to finnish it, however I've discovered I will have to make something up, cause I have no idea what she was talkign about
07:26.57AnduinLotharcept i thing she wanted us to do it top down, which is like 10x harder
07:28.17AnduinLotharand handles less grammers, which means we have to majorly massage the one she gave us to make it usable
07:29.20AnduinLotharguess I'll impliment some form of a tree
07:29.33AnduinLotharcause backtracking sucks
07:31.05TemI hate it when too many guildlines are given for a program
07:31.17Temto the point where you aren't designing anything at all
07:31.41AnduinLotharwell unfortunetly here the guidlines are ambiguous
07:32.00AnduinLotharso i don't know if we have to do it top down or it's jsut recommended
07:32.14Tem|Sleepew
07:32.16Tem|Sleepthat's worse
07:32.20AnduinLothari think our grade is purely based on the amount of test cases we pass
07:32.28Tem|Sleephaha
07:32.40AnduinLotharbut i had no idea where to start
07:32.48Tem|SleepI think my grade is based on if my project works
07:32.54Esamynnmy prof for compliers was WAY better
07:32.55Tem|Sleepand does everything they wanted
07:33.11Tem|SleepI'm taking compilers next semester I think
07:33.17AnduinLotharwhich meant i start trying to impliment a class scenario with recursion...
07:33.23Tem|SleepI think I have this chineese guy
07:33.28AnduinLotharand failed misserably
07:33.36AnduinLotharstarted over with jsut functions
07:33.43Tem|Sleepasdfas! stop making me think
07:33.46AnduinLothargot about half way through the grammer
07:33.47Tem|SleepI'll never go to bed
07:34.25AnduinLotharand discovered that the grammer had optionals in it which fucks that up too so I have to make some form of tree system just for backtracking
07:34.26Esamynnnight Tem
07:34.35Tem|Sleeplater guys
07:34.53Tem|Sleepand good luck to you AnduinLothar.  That doesn't sound like a project I would want to be in on
07:35.04EsamynnAnduinLothar: sorry, but I'm going to sleep too, if I start thinking about compliers at the moment I wont' be able to sleep either, I wish you luck
07:35.09AnduinLotharwhich means i need to protect all my error and print calls with a layer for check wheather it's in real time of not
07:35.17AnduinLotharsgfeuas
07:35.23AnduinLotharkill me
07:35.37Tem|Sleep~kill AnduinLothar
07:35.39purlACTION shoots a charged anti-proton gun at AnduinLothar
07:35.41Esamynn~cheeseslap AnduinLothar
07:35.43purlACTION slaps AnduinLothar around with a slice of emmenthaler
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07:38.03MiravlixCan't connect.
07:38.11AnduinLotharsad
07:40.09krka|workyou're hand writing the parser anduin?
07:40.16AnduinLotharhave to
07:40.22krka|workwe got to use flex / bison / whatever
07:40.32AnduinLotharya, it's messed up
07:41.06AnduinLotharthe scanner wasn't too hard, but the parser makes my head hurt
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07:42.15krka|workscanners usually aren't
07:42.40AnduinLotharand the grammer she gave us isn't left aligned, so you either get to spend hours doing the conversion or make up something else off the top of your head so that it's parsable the way it is
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07:48.06krka|workhours for conversion? is it a real language or just some random grammar?
07:48.06AnduinLotharand I never really caught on how to do the conversion on actual grammers... i did it on the tests she gave us with letters, but staring at the grammer here i have no idea where to start
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07:49.27Wobin_splitty
07:49.27AnduinLotharsudo language called "Simple" but it has ands and ors and 1 or none and zero or more and stuff we didn't even touch
07:49.28AnduinLotharlike how do you convert A = B {("+"|"-") B}
07:49.28AnduinLotharwhere {} ischoose 0 or more
07:49.28AnduinLotharand () is choose 1
07:49.30Wobin_What, so you either end up with B+, B-, B+B, B-B?
07:49.32AnduinLotharB B+B B-B B+B+B B+B-B B-B+B B-B-B ... etc
07:50.39AnduinLothari could do it with regex or string scanning, but we're only pulling one character/token at a time
07:50.39Wobin_oh aye
07:50.39AnduinLotharso if i pull + and there's no B i need to backtrack and pretend I didn't pull +
07:51.34AnduinLotharwhich means i can't jsut eat it, which is easy.
07:51.34AnduinLotharbut then think of it recursively
07:51.34AnduinLotharif B is something equally as recursive
07:52.06AnduinLotharand i could use B or C
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07:52.36AnduinLotharthen you have to check all of B, backtrack if it doesn't work, check all of C, and if neither work backtrack your +
07:52.52AnduinLotharwhich means you can't just keep one layer of backtracking
07:53.01AnduinLotharyou have to have a tree or table...
07:53.16AnduinLotharanyway, you're sposed to be able to contert it to left handed recursion
07:53.21AnduinLotharbut i have no idea how
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07:58.11krka|workBList = B | BList  - B | BList + B
07:58.16krka|workA = BList
07:58.19krka|worki think
07:58.57AnduinLotharBList = B | BList  - BList | BList + BList
07:59.22AnduinLotharstill a nightmare
08:00.06AnduinLotharand there's no point in adding BList then
08:00.07krka|workno, you got itt wrong
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08:00.39AnduinLotharmmm
08:00.42AnduinLotharok, ic
08:00.45AnduinLotharmy bad
08:01.09krka|worki think that's left handed anyway
08:01.12krka|worklong time since i did this
08:01.28krka|workright handed would be: BList = B | B - BList | B + BList
08:01.49AnduinLotharthink you can scrap BList tho: A = B | A  - B | A + B
08:03.31AnduinLotharthat's better, i can do that with backtracking
08:03.41AnduinLotharstill not predictive tho
08:04.02AnduinLotharless backtracking tho = happier karl
08:04.38AnduinLotharhow bout A = B [ "[" A "]" ]
08:04.52AnduinLotharwhere [] is 1 or none
08:05.29AnduinLotharer
08:05.37AnduinLotharA = B [ "[" C "]" ]
08:06.13AnduinLotharnm, easy
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08:06.32AnduinLotharA = B | B "[" C "]"
08:06.51krka|workyeah, that's the same thing... i just thought BList was more readable :)
08:08.09zeegwth is that
08:08.47AnduinLotharconverting right hand recursion to LH
08:10.05BWhat is this shit
08:10.47norgannaB? B-B or B+B?
08:13.26zeeglol
08:16.49krka|workcontext free grammars
08:17.33AnduinLotharnow i'm confused tho, cause she only taught left to right hand conversion and not right to left..
08:17.54AnduinLothari mean, i could do it, but which mehtod am i sposed to use, lol
08:22.03AnduinLotharoi, this grammer is infinitely recursable
08:24.35krka|workdepends on what parser algorithm you're using
08:24.42krka|worksome only handle left, some only handle right
08:24.51AnduinLotharright, i figured as much
08:25.27AnduinLotharbut since i'm not sure which she wanted and the one she went over most still confuses me, i'll go with one i can understand
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09:23.46AnduinLotharwould have been nice to know what LL1 was i spose
09:25.41ElkanoLL1?
09:26.23AnduinLotharit's left hand recursion EBNF with single token look ahead
09:26.28krka|workLALR FTW
09:27.13AnduinLotharshe gave us an LL1 EBNF, but i had no idea what LL1 meant or why it was important... key information
09:27.43AnduinLotharfinally my roomie explained it, he took the course 2 qtrs ago
09:28.19AnduinLotharbasicly LL1 avoids backtracking all together by assuming that you only ever need to check one token in advance
09:29.01AnduinLotharthat's why it's all right hand recursive
09:29.29krka|workyes, and most languages can be handled by LL1
09:29.45krka|worklisp is 0 token lookahead
09:29.45krka|work(FTW!)
09:29.52AnduinLotharfor A = B {("+"|"-") B} all you do is check that the current token is B, if so commit yourself to A, if you run into an error later, don't bother backtracking
09:30.07AnduinLotharjust error out
09:30.55AnduinLotharthis critical information was unknown to me, so I was trying to convert to right-hand recursion to allow for unlimmitted backtracking
09:31.51AnduinLothar"Things you might have learning in school, had you been paying attention" for 1000 Alex!
09:32.31AnduinLotharok, so that's an NPR Car Talk line, oh well.
09:32.44AnduinLotharis that off the air?
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10:23.10AnduinLothardamn: http://www.mmogchart.com/
10:23.23AnduinLotharhttp://www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html
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10:36.21[MoonWolf]wtf
10:36.27[MoonWolf]runescape is GROWING....
10:36.39AnduinLotharscary, eh?
10:36.50[MoonWolf]yes very.
10:40.19AnduinLotharwhat i find scary is that either there's a few million more people playing liniege 1 or 2 that have yet to switch to WoW, or there's a few million people playing both!
10:44.16[MoonWolf]knowing lineage people
10:44.24[MoonWolf]that could very well be possiblity
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12:02.34BWhat I find scary is that they think Ragnarok Online is Japanese
12:02.46B(KR)
12:14.33bsodergrenif i use a collar command in some text in an addon, like COLOR = "|cFF00FF00";  dkpcommand = GREEN.."/ai [item]  \n Starts an Auction \n"; and then display that, how do i get it so that only the /ai [item] text is in green and everything else returns to normal  ?
12:15.10bsodergrenwow. i totally buctchered color didnt i..
12:21.16zespriwhat exactly table = { "something" , } does? is this the same as table = { "something" }
12:25.07Stylpeyep
12:25.30[MoonWolf]yes, the "," is simply a record seperator.
12:25.40krka|workbsodergren, you stop the color with |r
12:26.39zesprimost languages would freak out if a separator is used that separates nothing
12:27.35StylpeYeah, but this is Lua ;)
12:28.15krka|workC/C++ has no problem with redundant ;
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12:33.32Maldiviait specifically mentioned in the grammar, that a trailing seperator is allowed
12:36.38Maldiviajust as it is in the C grammar
12:37.13StylpeSo, does Boss stop by here?
12:37.17zespriwel in see int b[] = {1,}; won;t compile
12:37.56Maldiviazespri; int a[5] = {1,2,3,4,5,}; works fine here
12:38.33krka|workStylpe, yes, it's ckknight
12:38.47ckknighthey
12:39.11Maldiviazespri: initializer
12:39.11Maldivia: assignment_expression
12:39.11Maldivia| '{' initializer_list '}'
12:39.11Maldivia| '{' initializer_list ',' '}'
12:39.11Maldivia;
12:39.32krka|workcrap, caching for SetUnitBuff on "targettarget" or other similar units will kill my cache
12:39.47Maldiviakrka: hehe
12:40.10krka|workno event to tell me when i need to flush
12:40.13Maldiviakrka: you can't cache 2nd level, since you dont know when it changes
12:40.30Maldiviaraid40target has the same problem
12:40.42krka|worknot much to do about that i suppose
12:40.57krka|worki can perhaps have different decay times for those
12:41.07krka|worklike 2 second decay for non-event-units
12:41.13krka|work300 decay for others
12:43.36StylpeHas anyone used Boss's TabletLib? I'm wondering if it's possible to make sub-categories
12:44.51Elkanowell, why why don't you simply ask himself? he's here I think :)
12:45.15StylpeHe didn't respond when I aske dif he stops by here a moment ago =P
12:45.51Elkanowell, he did
12:46.06StylpeOh yes he did :S
12:46.21Stylpelol, I need to pay attention
12:46.48Stylpeckknight, does the new TabletLib support sub-categories?
12:46.55ckknightno
12:46.57ckknightnot currently
12:47.01ckknightbut the API isn't set in stone
12:47.09StylpePlans? Want me to file a feature req?
12:47.22ckknightI'll have to think about it
12:47.26ckknightbut it's doable
12:47.30ckknightin theory...
12:49.01StylpeSee, I spent a whole day fidgeting with FuBar 1.0, and then you went ahead and released 1.1, but by then I had already made my own logic for simply adding lines in a specific order without using categories, so it's not strictly necessary anymore
12:49.39StylpeJust so you know =P
12:49.50ckknightokay
12:49.58ckknightand now categories are required
12:50.00ckknightsomewhat
12:50.06ckknightyou could wrap your code in one giant category
12:50.08StylpeAlthough I haven't tested it yet...
12:50.10ckknightI don't recommend it, though
12:51.21ckknightI could actually do subcategories pretty easily
12:51.25ckknightas long as you don't change columns...
12:51.43StylpeWhy would I want that? =P
12:51.58StylpeChanging columns that is...
12:52.04ckknightnumber of columns
12:52.08ckknightyou can do 1-4
12:52.14ckknightdefined by the category
12:52.26StylpeOh, right
12:52.41krka|workwhat is tabletlib? one sentence max :)
12:52.52StylpeTooltip library used in FuBar
12:53.05AnduinLotharoi.. another one?
12:53.08ckknightTooltip library that just did three hits of coke off the back of a hooker
12:53.25ckknightIt's just FuBarTooltip without the need for FuBar
12:53.27AnduinLotharwhy not use Auctioneers?
12:53.33krka|worktooltip library... hmm... what does it do more specifically?
12:53.36krka|workdisplay tooltips?
12:53.38krka|workscan?
12:53.41ckknightdisplay
12:53.45Stylpeconstruct them
12:53.49krka|workwithout gametooltip?
12:53.49ckknightit's a fake tooltip
12:53.52ckknightright
12:54.00ckknight1-4 columns
12:54.14ckknightclickable lines
12:54.17ckknightcheckboxes
12:54.29ckknightcategories
12:54.45Stylpeand maybe soon subcategories ^_^
12:54.56ckknightyea
12:55.03ckknightI can do that reasonably easily
12:55.37StylpeIf it's not too much of a hassle, could you make the decision whether or not you'll make it right now, so I know if I should continue or scrap the code I have?
12:56.09ckknightyea, I'll do it
12:56.12krka|worknever scrap code
12:56.15krka|worksave it around somewhere
12:56.21krka|worki always need code i removed :/
12:56.26Stylpelol =P
12:56.34ckknightisn't that what svn is for?
12:56.48krka|workyeah
12:56.50StylpeI don't have a scrapbook... and I can't be arsed with svn for such small projects
12:57.14StylpeAlthough KIC is gaining weight fast
12:57.16ckknightthe number columns will be defined by the toplevel category, but that'd be the only limitation, as far as I can see
12:57.42Stylpeckknight, will you do indentation by category level, too?
12:58.01ckknightI should have an indentation setting.
12:58.10StylpeI haven't checked =P
12:58.12ckknightit'll be manually set
12:58.28ckknightdefault none
12:58.51ckknightcategories are just a way to push settings with a waterfall effect onto zero or more children
12:59.00ckknightwith an optional header
12:59.38ckknightif you get that
13:00.45StylpeI couold also use them as sort of bookmarks, to insert lines at different positions, right?
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13:01.13ckknightI don't recommend that
13:01.19ckknightand it's not really how the new system works
13:01.23ckknightit's tiered
13:01.27ckknightinstead of procedural
13:01.39Josh_Borkemorning everyone :-)
13:01.44ckknighthey dude
13:01.52AnduinLothardefinitely morning
13:02.03StylpeWell, I have some data that is read in an arbitrary order, and I want it grouped by this and that
13:02.03Maldiviamorning
13:02.17Stylpe'morning Josh_Borke
13:02.46wereHamstermorning
13:02.54Josh_Borkelively bunch this morning :-)
13:03.07ckknightStylpe, you can use them as bookmarks, sort of
13:03.13ckknightas long as they have headers, I think
13:03.20ckknightI just really don't recommend it
13:03.27ckknightseems unclean to me
13:04.49ckknightwhy is it read in an arbitrary order?
13:06.02AnduinLothargah, she named a terminal "type" and there's a nonterminal named type O.o
13:06.49Stylpeckknight, it's stored in serialized strings
13:06.55ckknighthrm
13:07.04StylpeHere's what I want it to look like: http://ace.pastebin.com/684861
13:07.04ckknightwhat's this for?
13:07.09StylpeKeepItCool
13:07.32Stylpekeeps track of and reminds you about cooldowns
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13:09.58ElkanoStylpe, I'm haveing the same 'problem' :/ (I'm writing a similar addon CooldownFu)
13:10.32StylpeElkano, did you check the FuBar wiki for addons in development?
13:10.33Elkanoso what I did was having the items as categorie and adding 'realm, chara' as data
13:10.48Elkanoyes, after I started ^^'
13:10.59Elkanoso I did know for KIC
13:10.59StylpeDid you know about KIC?
13:11.02StylpeOh =P
13:11.27StylpeHave you released it?
13:11.57Elkanonot yet. atm it also only supports tradeskill cooldowns
13:12.21Elkano(I should try getting a login for the acesvn :) )
13:12.24StylpeAre there any other cooldowns to track (besides skill cds)?
13:12.56Elkanowell, item cooldowns could come in handy if they are 1h+
13:12.56Josh_Borkesalt shaker!
13:13.07StylpeKIC tracks that
13:13.17ckknightduplication is bad.
13:13.27StylpeThat's what I say too =P
13:13.29Josh_Borkeckknight: indeed
13:13.31Elkanock, I know :(
13:13.37Josh_Borkeunless you do it better :-)
13:13.44StylpeElkano, would you consider some kind of cooperation?
13:13.57Elkanosure, why not :)
13:14.16StylpeWe could compare code, and pick out what each of us do better
13:14.24krka|workone of these days i'll finish up my tweak of LocationFu
13:15.00StylpeSpeaking of dupes, I've noticed quite a few cooldown trackers appear lately
13:15.11krka|work(using MapLibrary + providing speed)
13:15.43krka|workor maybe speed should be it's own fu...
13:16.02StylpeElkano, I'll finish up the version I'm working on now (uncommented though, and somewhat obfuscated), and we'll share, k?
13:16.07AnduinLotharjust put the item in an action bar
13:16.23ElkanoI could sent you my current state if you want
13:16.37StylpeAnduinLothar, that won't give you a big fat reminder across your screen when it's done ;)
13:16.52StylpeElkano, not yet, I can' only focus on one thing at a time =P
13:16.53ckknightkrka, be sure you check against the latest version
13:17.01AnduinLotharno, but if you have CooldownCount your yellow #'s will go away
13:17.33StylpeAnduinLothar, I wouldn't notice it, I'm not very attentive, and there are alot of people like me
13:18.14AnduinLothari would forget if it only flashed once..
13:18.17StylpeI have the attention span of a goldfish with an extra chromosome
13:18.32Elkanowell, what I do is simply scan the tradeskill window when it's opened if there's sth with a cooldown returned and add this to a queue. In the onupdate part I then check if current time is past estimated ETA of cooldown. your approach using timeex could be better
13:18.48AnduinLotharthus it's better for me if it's on screen where i can check it obsessively every 3 seconds
13:19.12StylpeAnduinLothar, that's why I'm making KIC use FuBar =)
13:19.23AnduinLotharcause i have attention spand, just no long term memory
13:19.49AnduinLotharas long as i'm thinkign about it i can remember it
13:20.01StylpeElkano, that's how I used to do it, until I ran in to the same problem with the Salt Shaker ;)
13:20.15StylpeAnd Timex is doing basically the same as you are
13:20.33Stylpeexcept it's optimised to hell and back
13:20.40Stylpeso I don't have to worry about it =P
13:21.18StylpeI've been considering dropping it though, seems like a large dependancy for a small addon
13:21.36AnduinLotharlol heck and back
13:22.03Stylpeor Oblivion if you prefer that =P
13:22.17StylpeI used that all the time when I was playing it =)
13:22.19AnduinLotharthe speed may be eoptimized, but if i remember correctly it uses unpack frequently
13:22.32StylpeI think it's changed alot lately
13:22.38krka|workckknight, you update way too often :P
13:22.46krka|workunfair on all the other mods on wowi :P
13:22.46ckknightyep
13:22.51ckknightyea
13:22.53ckknightmy bad.
13:23.02krka|workj/k
13:23.09krka|workupdating often is good
13:23.18StylpeNot for the end user =P
13:23.25krka|workespecially for the end user
13:23.35krka|workthey know the developer is active
13:23.49AnduinLotharit's bad for the developer
13:24.01AnduinLothartime + whining
13:24.11ckknightmeh
13:24.15ckknightI fix bugs fast
13:24.17Stylpeanyway, brb, I gotta test if this works or not
13:24.21ckknightas long as users report them
13:24.23AnduinLotharbut then programming in general is hazardous to your health
13:24.23ckknightI'm cool with it
13:24.34Elkanoupdating is one of the reasons why I'm loosing against ItemSync :/
13:24.37AnduinLotharfor instance it's 6:24am
13:24.52AnduinLotharand i'm stick aiusbhfusbf up!
13:25.01AnduinLotharstill*
13:25.11krka|workno tooltip:SetX has more than 2 return values and 3 parameters, right?
13:25.28ElkanoI've put together a imho good version and released it, adding a few things from time to time... itemsync is being reworked almost every week :/ resulting in a lot mor DLs :/
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13:29.03krka|worki try to only go for addons that no one else have done
13:29.52ckknightwoot
13:29.57ckknightgot indentation working
13:30.48krka|worknice
13:30.51krka|workme too
13:30.51StylpeOkay, this is odd. Hold on...
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13:31.01AnduinLothari'm better at fixing addons that already exist
13:31.01Elkanowell when comparing LootLink, ItemSync and ItemDB you'll notice that ItemDB is a different approach to the same thing (a list of items, once based upon data mining and once uon simply showing the cache)
13:31.30Stylpe"for realm, charT in cdData do" errors: "attempt to call a nil value"
13:31.38StylpeWhat gives?
13:31.58StylpecdData is a valid table
13:32.47Elkanoso in that case the goal was the same but the ways were different... I think I often try to do things in a way that I think is better :/
13:33.13MaldiviaStylpe: are you sure it's on that line, and one after ?
13:34.12StylpeYou think either WoW or Notepad++ doesn't know how to count lines? =P
13:34.22StylpeNo, it's the correct line
13:34.34ckknightokay, I need some API advice
13:34.38ckknightfor TabletLib
13:34.41krka|workElkano, which one is yours?
13:34.41cmunnCan I write to a file in WoW?
13:34.43ckknightshould I continue with the tiered category system I have now, or should I use a more procedural way, where you have to declare the id of a category, then reference it?
13:34.47krka|workcmunn, no
13:34.51ElkanoItemDB is
13:34.51MaldiviaStylpe: well, then cdData is nil
13:35.23krka|worknot sure i understand the difference
13:35.33krka|workwhat do the addons do, and how does your differ?
13:35.51ckknightare you talking to me, krka?
13:35.59cmunnkrka|work: Is there a preferred method of storing logs?  I want to log a BUNCH of events, and look at them outside of the game...
13:36.07Elkanocmunn, you can'T and if you could it's likely it won't work anymore after the next patch. only way 'out' are saved variables
13:36.28Maldiviacmunn: just register a table as a saved variable, and table.insert to it ?
13:36.48Maldiviacmunn: that's how do debug logging :)
13:37.11cmunnDoes WoW automagically save the variable on close or do I need to explicitly call it?
13:37.12wereHamstercmunn, you mean combatlog?
13:37.42Maldiviacmunn: specify the variable in the toc, and wow will automatically store it, when you logout/reloadui
13:37.55cmunnoooh, on reloadui... nice
13:38.03wereHamsterI once wrote a combat log and a small lua script to 'replay' the combat offline
13:38.11StylpeAHA! It's supposed to be self.cdData...
13:38.12cmunnheh
13:38.17Maldiviahttp://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Save_Variables_Between_Game_Sessions
13:39.00krka|workno ckknight, Elkano this time
13:39.04cmunnI apologize for my easily googled questions... I'm connected over my cell modem, and it can barely handle the IRC bandwidth as it is, xD
13:39.12ckknightokay
13:39.33Maldiviacmunn: hehe, well the above link describes all the basics about saved variables
13:39.55Elkanozomg... fake? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kN6OYo3Wf8
13:39.58krka|workElkano, is this correct: your solution only performs server lookups when it doesn't already exist in your cache?
13:40.01Maldiviacmunn: and it's only 6-7k or so (no images)
13:41.14krka|workmust be fake, the race is two-headed ogre
13:41.17Elkanowell, via GetItemInfo you can access the items in the clients cache taht is populated by wow itself when it as to load the item in any way
13:41.40krka|workwhere is that filmed?
13:41.54Maldiviabeneath Ironforge
13:41.55Josh_Borkewow, way too many parrallel conversations for me to follow
13:41.55krka|workcould it be a hacked client with custom models and cities?
13:42.08krka|workwhat is that race name?
13:42.09Elkanothis is what I do: I scan the cache by calling GetItemInfo for all ids betwen 1 and 25000 (it's damn fast for some reason)
13:43.08krka|workhm, can't you keep up a map like this? map[itemname] = {matching ids}
13:43.13MaldiviaElkano: yeah, I love how fast that scan is :)
13:43.33Josh_Borkeyou no take candle!
13:43.59krka|workwhat is the race in that video?
13:44.06Josh_Borkekobolds
13:44.15ckknightElkano, it's fake
13:44.25Josh_Borkethe first things you kill as humans :X
13:44.27ckknightit was done on a private sever
13:44.28ckknightserver*
13:44.35Maldiviait's an emulated server, wher they've just gone to old IF and spawned them :)
13:44.36Elkanokrka: the only place where I request the data from server is when I seea link in chat (I simply request a tooltip for the item linked)
13:45.51krka|worki see
13:46.34krka|workmy tooltip booster should now speed up SetUnitBuff, SetUnitDebuff, SetAction and SetPlayerBuff
13:47.22AnduinLotharfunny, cause we hunt kobolds in the mines in AV..
13:47.31Maldiviayeah :)
13:47.39Josh_Borkeyea, those guys are beefy
13:47.44Maldiviaand in all the mines in elwynn forest
13:47.44Elkanomy item count is lower then their's since your cache is purged every update and I only show base items (no suffix), but all items will give you a tooltip (which does not mean that they are linksafe...)
13:47.45AnduinLotharand those look like the cavern of time walls
13:47.59Elkanobut well, got to go now... Japanese lecture :)
13:48.08StylpeYay, japanese!
13:48.26MaldiviaAnduin, it's the basement of Ironforge
13:48.36krka|workwhich unitids can you get from UNIT_AURA / UNIT_AURASTATE?
13:48.39AnduinLotharah, similar, yes
13:48.48krka|workplayer, target, partyX, raidX, mouseover
13:48.49krka|worksomething else
13:48.51krka|workdo you get pets?
13:48.52Maldiviakrka: pet
13:48.59krka|workall partypets and raidpets?
13:49.01Maldiviaand raidpetX, partypetX
13:49.02AnduinLotharno
13:49.12AnduinLotharmmm
13:49.15AnduinLotharwait
13:49.23AnduinLotharyes on partypets
13:49.23MaldiviaUNIT_AURA is fired for raidpet...
13:50.05Maldiviaso all primary units, no secondaries
13:50.27krka|workso i just need to add pet, partypetx, raidpetx
13:50.36Maldiviaand by secondaries, I mean something like: party5target
13:50.42AnduinLotharfor what?
13:51.20krka|workfor my tooltip booster
13:51.27AnduinLothar?
13:51.44krka|worki am writing an addon that hooks into all tooltips
13:51.55krka|workand skips calling SetOwner and SetX
13:52.04krka|workunless you absolutely have to
13:52.19krka|workthe real SetOwner is only called when the owner or anchor change
13:52.29krka|workthe real SetX is only called if i don't have the tooltip in cache
13:52.47AnduinLotharoi
13:53.13krka|workseeing as blizzards default implementation apparently doesn't do this
13:54.18AnduinLotharso just niling the cache if the unit_aura has been called?
13:54.23krka|workexactly
13:54.46AnduinLotharsame as IsMounted just for everything
13:55.09krka|workyeah, the point is that by just having this addon installed, all scanners should become faster
13:55.18AnduinLotharone would hope
13:55.46krka|workhm... does SetUnit show any information that you can't get from API functions?
13:56.02AnduinLothari'm sure
13:56.18AnduinLotharsomewhere
13:56.25krka|workafair, SetUnit only shows name, guild, level, class, or sometihng
13:56.36AnduinLotharno guild for default
13:56.52AnduinLotharrank
13:56.56krka|worknot that it would matter much... wouldn't gain much from hooking that
13:57.02krka|workdon't think anyone actually scans with SetUnit
13:57.19krka|workbuffs, spells, action, inventory, bag should the biggest ones
13:57.29AnduinLotharyup
13:57.49AnduinLotharspose you're caching the bags until something moves
13:57.53krka|workyeah
13:58.07AnduinLotharare you then deleting everything or jsut the moved?
13:58.27krka|worki can flush both ways
13:58.37AnduinLotharcool cool
13:58.50AnduinLotharsounds liek fun. wish i were that ambitious
13:58.52krka|workbasically, the cache is a tree
13:58.59krka|worki can "cut it" at any depth i want
13:59.19krka|workso i could flush all "SetUnitBuff", or just "SetUnitBuff" + unit
13:59.31krka|workor even "SetUnitBuff" + unit + index
13:59.57krka|workheh, it's not really that difficult
14:00.05krka|workless than 500 lines of code at the moment
14:00.10krka|worki don't expect it to exceed 1000
14:00.25AnduinLotharwrong kind of ambitious
14:00.41krka|workoh?
14:00.52AnduinLothari haven't tried fixing 'everything' since i wrote like 3 versions of SpeedHack
14:01.42AnduinLotharnone of which were useful
14:01.49krka|workSpeedHack?
14:02.13AnduinLotharreplaced all OnUpdates with timed functions that executed slower
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14:02.24AnduinLotharand spread them out
14:02.26ComicSansMSgreetings everyone!
14:02.35krka|workoh i see
14:02.35StylpeGreetings, ComicSansMS
14:02.41AnduinLotharso you only have max 5 OnUpdated on any given Update
14:03.10AnduinLotharit made everythign slow, lol
14:03.25AnduinLotharand wasn't any faster for anyone
14:03.45AnduinLotharmost of my system slowdown isn't from my addons
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14:07.25krka|workheh
14:07.33krka|worksucks when you optimize the wrong thing
14:08.43AnduinLothari even tried like 3 diff ways trying to minimize overhead, but it didn't really matter. even if you dissable the 500 line chat tab OnUpdate function you dont gain any fps..
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14:12.44krka|workanyone know what SKILL_LINES does?
14:14.46AnduinLotharprolly the skill tree
14:16.16krka|workwill be interesting to see if this actually makes any difference... people always say SetX is so slow
14:19.15krka|workhow does bank stuff work btw?
14:19.26krka|workdo you do SetBag for those too? but with higher ids?
14:22.42AnduinLothardunno, haven't worked with bank
14:22.43Maldiviakrka: BankFrame.xml :)
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14:23.47krka|workmoving stuff in bank triggers BAG_UPDATE?
14:24.00Maldiviakrka, it uses: GameTooltip:SetInventoryItem("player", this:GetInventorySlot())
14:26.07Stylpehmm, remind me the code for yellow
14:27.07krka|workbank uses Inventory? O_o
14:27.15Stylpeffff00
14:27.22krka|workyes Stylpe
14:27.43cmunnI thought Inventory was equipped items
14:28.37AnduinLotharcorrect
14:37.09krka|workmust be some weird blizzard hack
14:37.26krka|work"hmm... what about bank" - "we'll do it as inventory slots"
14:42.44Eraphine|Labis there a guide on the definitive way to determine whether I can heal/buff a target (unitisfriend? unitisenemy? unitcancoperate?)
14:43.48krka|workUnitCanCooperate seems like the best one
14:43.57krka|worklet me check what i use for buffs
14:44.00Eraphine|Labdoes that account for npc's?
14:45.02krka|worki use this: UnitIsPlayer(unit) and UnitIsFriend("player", "target")
14:45.02krka|work<PROTECTED>
14:45.36krka|workreplaace target with unit
14:45.53krka|workskip the first check if you want to include npc
14:46.19Eraphine|LabHrm.. I thought UnitIsFriend is the check that is made to determine if you can add someone to your friend's list.
14:46.37Eraphine|Labat least, I think that's what blizzard uses it for.
14:46.41krka|workoh :)
14:46.43krka|workmy bad
14:47.36krka|workThis function will determine if the target is friendly towards you (i.e. is green if you target it). It has nothing to do with whether you have added the unit to your friends list or not.
14:47.51Eraphine|Labno no, MY bad :)
14:49.03krka|workthere seems to be a lot of redundance in the UnitIs
14:49.29AnduinLotharno complaining.. no redundancy elsewhere
14:49.59krka|workany event that triggers when you change tracking?
14:50.01Eraphine|LabThere is something about UnitIsFriend and whether someone is dueling you.
14:50.10AnduinLotharUNIT_AURA
14:50.32krka|workah, thanks
14:50.34AnduinLotharyou can't buff a dueler
14:50.49krka|workunit_aura with arg1 = "player"?
14:50.59AnduinLotharshould be
14:51.07krka|workUnitCanCooperate is better for buffing then
14:51.27krka|workdoes CanCooperate return false for dead people?
14:51.57AnduinLotharya cause i found out you can buff pvp flagged npcs but not the rest
14:55.14Eraphine|LabSo, UnitCanCooperate seems like the best method for determining valid heal/buff targets
14:58.29StylpeDoes next(table) only work for numerically indexed tables?
14:59.27cmunnCide, Do UNIT_HEALTH and UNIT_MANA events fire for pets?
14:59.45AnduinLotharpet, yet
14:59.53AnduinLotharand partypets
14:59.59AnduinLotharand i would guess raidpets
15:00.01Cidenot partypets?
15:00.04Cideare you sure?
15:00.07AnduinLotharyes
15:00.11CideI had the impression that it only fired for pet
15:00.17cmunnJust tested it.  partypet, raidpet and pet
15:00.25cmunn^_^
15:00.34Cidenice
15:00.39cmunnIndeed
15:00.40AnduinLotharotherwise the default part pet frames wouldn't work
15:00.49Wobin_How does Agi relate to AP for a rogue?
15:01.08cmunnSo... I guess that means it won't be /that/ much extra overhead to add Pets to Emergency Meter ^_^
15:03.27Cidenot a whole lot I gues
15:03.29Cideguess
15:03.40Cidenot going to in any case :)
15:03.47Cidewell, I might
15:04.04AnduinLotharoptions!
15:04.16AnduinLotharthe users demand ooodles of options!
15:04.45AnduinLotharoh noes! too many options! User Agro! Bloated Warning/Hate Messages!
15:05.07AnduinLotharSimplify Simplify!
15:05.22AnduinLotharoh noes! too simple, need more options!
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15:06.10AnduinLotharI call that "The Users are Using Me"
15:08.16AnduinLotharFINIALLY finished my parser
15:08.23AnduinLothar9 hours after it was due
15:10.03krka|workgo you!
15:10.23AnduinLotharthink i started over 2 or 3 times
15:10.39AnduinLotharended up doign it the way i didn't want to do it in the first place
15:10.51krka|workheh
15:13.29AnduinLothartoo bad i cant even get partial credit for trning it in
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15:20.14cmunnEww
15:20.18cmunnThat's cold :(
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15:20.53AnduinLotharya, 1 hr late is out of 60%, >1hr is 0%
15:21.23cmunnCTRA contains too much code, Cide.  I demand you condense it to <5000 clearly commented lines.
15:21.45AnduinLotharif he adds comments it'll double in length..
15:22.04cmunnThen he must truncate more!
15:22.14cmunnThere are too many options, and it confuses me as I try to add more options.
15:22.17AnduinLothargo convert it to Ace for him
15:22.26cmunnWhat is this "Ace"?
15:22.39AnduinLotharwas a joke
15:22.57cmunnWhat is it anyways? I've heard of it before...
15:26.09Maldivia*grumble*
15:26.16krka|workthink i am finished with ToolTipPlus now
15:26.22krka|worknot hooking all SetX
15:26.28krka|workjust those i think is abused
15:26.35AnduinLotharare
15:26.39krka|workoops
15:26.40krka|workyeah
15:26.47krka|work<-- sux at english
15:26.51krka|workno wait
15:26.53krka|worksux on
15:26.58krka|worker... sux to english
15:27.31AnduinLotharenglish is teh suck?
15:27.39Taincmunn: Ace is a framework for addons that provides a consistent set of tools and backbone for things.  It's also a community of authors.
15:27.50ckknightwoot!
15:27.52ckknightsubcategories
15:28.02cmunnAhh
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15:28.57ckknightI'd consider myself part of the Ace community
15:29.11StylpeAfkI would too
15:29.44AnduinLotharI consider myself in need of an Ace of Beasts
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15:30.06TainThere's also an Ace-sponsored bar-crawl every Thursday night.
15:30.40[MoonWolf]there is
15:30.41Eraphine|Laband there are skantily clad girls there
15:30.47[MoonWolf]i think i missed this memo
15:31.20TainI've been going all the time!
15:31.28AnduinLotharor at least clad guys
15:32.04Osagasuo.o
15:32.20MaldiviaI finally took the time, to debug BG2 a bit, to see if I could make a hack for it to support 1280x1024... and it works... except when ever I interact with an item, it crashes :|
15:32.39AnduinLotharsounds workign to me
15:33.09OsagasuThere are like 5 girls in the community and two that have female avatars.  I hope you aren't talking about the latter. ;;>.>
15:34.11cmunnDamn you, Blizzard!
15:40.07AnduinLotharthere I emailed it to the prof... won't get any poitns for it, but at least i finishe and submitted it...
15:40.50AnduinLotharnow.. should i sleep through class....
15:40.56AnduinLotharprolly not a good idea
15:41.18AnduinLothartho if I go to bed now I can get and 1.5 hrs sleep
15:42.56AnduinLothardoh. i wish bittorrent would finish one file at a time so that I could at least watch one of the 22 episodes when it's at 80% complete..
15:43.10krka|work1.5hrs sleep does more harm than good
15:43.27AnduinLotharright, plus I had an Amp
15:43.32AnduinLotharso i booted up wow
15:44.11AnduinLothargah, cant login
15:44.23AnduinLotharmaybe if i take 4 20 min naps..
15:44.30Kirkburnheh
15:44.53AnduinLotharnaps are good for you..
15:44.57KirkburnI'd try power napping, but it takes me much longer than 20mins to sleep
15:45.11AnduinLotharif i lay down i'll be out
15:45.40AnduinLothargah, can't login
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15:45.44AnduinLotharnap time!
15:45.52KirkburnSleep well :)
15:46.02krka|workyeah
15:46.52KirkburnHas anyone seen the fake Kobold-as-alliance-race vid?
15:47.25Kirkburn(get to choose your own candle wax colour!)
15:47.31krka|workyeah
15:47.54KirkburnI have to say, it's more impressiver than the previous tries
15:48.03Kirkburn*impresssive
15:48.17krka|workit's the impressivest!
15:48.21Kirkburn:P
15:48.47KirkburnNot sure how happy the dwarves would be with the Kobolds living in their most sacred place
15:48.59Kirkburn(where the sun don't shine)
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15:52.10cmunnAnyone know how to get the owner of a pet?
15:52.40krka|workread the collar
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15:53.35krka|workmaybe use tooltio:SetUnit on the unit
15:53.43krka|workand look for "X's pet"
15:53.45krka|workor something
15:53.54cmunnUsing the WoW API...
15:54.56krka|worktooltip:SetUnit is the best idea i can think of
15:55.21cmunnYea... but it won't do me any good if I'm not near them :(
15:56.22krka|workthen how are you seeing the pet?
15:56.58cmunnParty Window
15:57.10cmunnand TargetUnit("raidpet1")
15:57.17krka|workthen you know the owner
15:57.22krka|workif it's in party or raid
15:57.30cmunnHow?
15:57.44krka|workif it's raidpetN then the owner is raidN
15:57.59krka|workUnitName(raidN) gets the owners name, et.c.
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16:11.05ElvisoAnyone have any idea what "Also, Patch 1.11 has some great interface improvements coming. More info on that later." could be?
16:11.11Elvisohttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-dungeons&t=485094&p=1&tmp=1#post485094
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16:14.07MaldiviaElviso: hmm...
16:14.23Maldiviayeah, usually we have all the good on the interface part, before the rest :)
16:14.49Cide-well we haven't heard anything :P
16:14.55Cide-as far as I know, at least
16:15.18Elvisojust need to pry @ slouken when he dares to enter again :)
16:17.23cmunnCide-: Can you explain just what the CT_RACache does?  It leaves me just a bit confused
16:19.27dieckGreetings. I got myself used to lua scripting for a while now, using slash commands. Now I'm looking forward to implement an graphical UI, e.g. for configuration and status report. can anyone point me to a good Gui tutorial?
16:21.23TainThe only good basic tutorial I know of deals with frames in general, but at least gives a very basic idea of what's going on.
16:21.26Tainhttp://fara.webeddie.com/frames/
16:22.44TainYou can also try the WoW UI Designer which can help increating simple GUIs.  http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4222
16:23.36dieckok, I'll have a look, thanks
16:25.23Maldiviacmunn: a guess: an implementation of Iriel's fast-frame-lookup-cache
16:25.38Maldiviacmunn: to avoid the painful getglobal and string concats
16:27.34cmunnAhh
16:28.27cmunn90% of the time I stare at CTRA it seems too vast and over my head to even attempt...
16:28.33Maldiviahehe...
16:28.52MaldiviaI use an implementation of it aswell, in one of my addons :)
16:32.15KirkburnElviso, thanks for linking that thread, v interesting
16:32.23Elvisonp :)
16:33.38KirkburnSince we know the basis of the UI isn't changing, I wonder what the new stuff will be
16:34.22KirkburnLFG?
16:34.51KirkburnThat's my guess
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16:35.34KirkburnFine, I'll watch some 24 then
16:38.33KirkburnI'll pretend to myself that my absence will sadden you.
16:38.45Elvisohaha
16:38.51Elvisoyeah, LFG might be it
16:38.59Elvisohopefully more than that though
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16:50.06cmunnWhat's lacking with LFG?
16:51.46StylpeAfkIt's working :D
16:51.53StylpeAfkKIC, that is
16:52.22StylpeAfkhmm, XChat crops the chat log =(
16:53.23Maldivianot here :)
16:53.31cmunnKIC? What's that mean?
16:56.08cmunnCheck your preferences, StylpeAfk.  You can set scrollback length there.
17:00.17StylpeAfkcmunn, I did, upped it from 300 to 3000 =)
17:00.24StylpeAfkAnd KIC == KeepItCool
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17:04.21StylpeAfkSo, I have a decision to make should I release this versio of KIC with one new feature implemented, or wait until I've implemented all the features I want?
17:05.06cmunnAhh
17:05.10TainI've shifted from the school of release early and often to release after lots, and lots, and lots of stable testing.
17:05.31cmunnWell, damn... I've gotta change classrooms :'(
17:05.59StylpeAfkI did testing
17:06.13cmunnWhat's KeepItCool do?
17:06.25cmunnmeh, brb
17:06.26StylpeAfkbut I always miss something when I test no matter how much I try
17:06.49StylpeAfk...
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17:09.30Maldiviawhy do people think they can cast multiple spells in a macro, and bypassing the global cooldown using a busy wait...
17:10.32IrielYou can
17:10.37krkathat's the natural thing to assume
17:10.37IrielIf you SpellStopCasting in the middle
17:10.37krkaimo
17:11.10TainCome on, who when starting to learn WoW addons didn't try to do it at least once?
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17:11.29Maldiviayeah ok, but not without completely freezing the game :)
17:12.13TainSo why try to look down on people for trying to do it now?
17:12.30TainEveryone tries to learn.  It's probably the first thing most people would think of trying.
17:13.01TainYou learn you can't (except in certain specific sequences of spells) and move on.
17:13.47krkaexactly
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17:14.09cmunnSo... What does KIC do?
17:16.07MaldiviaTain: well, I don't look down on people, I've just seen so many threads about it the last few days, atleast they could look over the topics on the first 2 pages, before posting :)
17:16.25GryphenThat will never happen
17:16.32GryphenPeople never read first
17:16.48krkareading is boring
17:16.55krkacoding is fun
17:17.07TainThe only reason I give people a *tiny* bit of slack on not reading before posting is the fact that the search function on the Blizzard forums is utterly and completely broken.
17:17.23TainBUT!  When something is on the first two or three pages multiple times and gets posted again...
17:18.29Gryphencmunn KIC: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4248
17:21.10cmunnInteresting
17:21.46cmunnAnyone here use Flexbar?
17:22.35TainNope!  I looked at it once though.
17:22.47krkai looked at the code and then decided not to
17:23.07Josh_Borkecmunn: used to.  now i do everything through my own MySetup addon and visor :D
17:23.40krkai use GRAB for all my custom button needs
17:24.00Maldiviaare the forum login server down, or is it my pay-day?
17:24.07Josh_Borkekrka: it's a very unique idea, i love it.  but it takes too much work for me to figure out :-D
17:24.21TainI like CardBars and have never heard a single bad thing said about Bongos for bar addons.
17:24.29krkanot very unique... same idea as flexbar mostly
17:24.35krkaworking on a grab ui
17:24.44krkabut i suck at uis :/
17:25.06Josh_Borkei've got to be able to make my buttons a halfmoon shape :D
17:25.11TainThat's because UIs suck.
17:25.27TainYou can JoshBorke but it's purely visual, the "click" area stays the same.
17:25.39krkanah, that can be fixed too
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17:25.57TainWell the default click area then.
17:25.58grollhmm when is e3?
17:26.14TainI'm not sure about scripting for every button to check mouse location and onclick blah blah
17:26.45Josh_BorkeTain: i mean arrange :D
17:26.53Irielgroll: May 12th I think
17:27.00grollk
17:27.09grolljust trying to figure out when 1.11 is comming :P
17:27.24groll9th to 12th it seems
17:27.26KirkburnWe'll it'll be playable at E3
17:27.28Tainoooh
17:27.30TainThat's different.
17:27.33IrielWell, you can make the area of a click that something responds to circular
17:27.37grollbut u can previwe tier 3 there and they said tier 3 will come in 1.11
17:27.37Taine3-expo.com
17:27.47IrielI suspect that means it'll be on the PTR around that point
17:27.51grollye
17:28.03Josh_Borkedid you see the post maade by tigole?
17:28.06IrielWhich is entirely expected anyway, given where we're at with 1.10 and 1.11 scripting changes from the pirate
17:28.19KirkburnIt made him late for a meeting, that post :P
17:28.24Josh_Borkelol
17:29.14grollJosh_Borke ye
17:36.06StylpeHas anyone made a lib that converts 'seconds since Unix epoch' to a normal time/date?
17:38.00StylpeMaybe os.date() =P
17:38.57krkadamn it
17:39.02krkai am not gaining as much as i had hoped
17:39.12krkaalmost nothing, in fact
17:39.15MaldiviaStylpe: you have access to date() in WoW
17:39.43StylpeI have a tendency to ask questions first, google later >_>
17:40.04Josh_Borkemorning Cairenn
17:40.04Maldiviakrka: the SetText are just as costly, as the internal function ?
17:40.07[MoonWolf]bad tendency
17:40.34Cairennhey Josh
17:40.48KirkburnI do often wonder how people think they'd get to 70 without the expansion pack ...
17:41.11[MoonWolf]not i would think
17:41.29KirkburnI keep seeing it being asked (or rumoured)
17:41.33krkaMaldivia, it's slightly cheaper for SetUnitBuff
17:41.38krkamore expensive for SetSpell
17:41.57TainThe expansion should raise the level limit to 61.  Let people chew on that for a while.
17:42.01StylpeCairenn :D
17:42.09krkaannoying
17:42.20Cairennokay, I'm out the door again, later guys
17:42.25StylpeD:
17:42.27[MoonWolf]cya
17:42.31TainBye Cairenn good luck
17:42.39Cairenn|afkTain: thanks
17:42.55Cairenn|afknever fucking ends ...
17:43.09[MoonWolf]yeah, that is life.
17:43.15StylpeHello? Did I miss something?
17:43.28Cairenn|afklife I can deal with, except when it involves my daughter ... anyway, gone
17:44.20StylpeHave I been gone so long that Cairenn has forgotten me? T_T
17:44.59StylpeI remember everytime we met I was greeted by a sunshine smile...
17:46.32[MoonWolf]daughter + doctor + blood test + antibiotics == not all that fun.
17:46.39StylpeO_O
17:47.04[MoonWolf]that was the extreemly short version
17:47.05StylpeI see
17:47.13Stylpehuh
17:47.41[MoonWolf]the long version includes actual sentences but you get the same information
17:48.11Josh_Borke:-(
17:52.50StylpeDoes anyone know whether time() gives game time or local time?
17:54.13Iriellocal
17:54.44krkaok...
17:54.53krkawho tricked me into thinking that SetX was slow?
17:54.59krkai can't beat it :/(
17:55.07cmunnCide-: You around?
17:55.49krkai'm consistently 3x worse
17:56.07TainNo no krka you misunderstood, that girl told you that SEX was supposed to be slower, not over as fast.
17:56.51krka:P
18:01.54Cide-cmunn: yes
18:06.04Elvisoanyone familiar w/the WoW UI Designer app?
18:06.49TainI tried it once.  But that's about it.
18:07.03Josh_Borkei didn't like the XML it produced :-(
18:07.09cmunnIn CT_RATarget.lua:92,93 Is there are reason we check UnitInRaid("player") twice?
18:07.37TainSame here, but it was a bunch of versions ago so I don't know if that improved.
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18:09.26ElvisoThe XML is probably what you'd expect out of any WYSIWYG....alot of extra stuff that's not necessary/redundant....however, for n00bs like me it's real useful to get something started
18:09.41Tainyeah absolutely
18:09.59TainI actually started by using it and then used the xml it created to learn from by stripping things out.
18:10.40TainOf course what I learned was that I didn't want to create GUI anything.
18:10.47Elvisoyeah it's a pain
18:11.15ElvisoI love interface design, as in for web applications....but I abhor WoW's UI designing
18:11.21Elviso(the XML part)
18:11.42cmunnI find it quite wonderful.
18:12.13cmunnHowever, it certainly keeps my pharmacist in business.
18:12.15ElvisoI'm sure once I become more comfortable with it I won't mind it as much, I just find it clumsy right now though
18:13.45cmunnYay! Don't you love it when you realize you've made a mistake about 30 times previously, but it's so minor that the only way to find them is going to be running the code and letting it crash
18:14.43TemElviso: In my experience that level of comfort never comes
18:15.07Elvisoheh
18:17.11cmunnFind another Mod with a similar UI to what you want, look at their code, and see if you can't figure out how to modify it to work for you.
18:20.43krkaok.... i can't see how SetX is slow, at all
18:20.47Elvisowell, this would be fine except that I can't figure out how it's doing it's dropdown menus
18:21.16Elvisothe native (WoW UI Des.) method doesn't use inherits="..", but it still works
18:21.40Elvisothat is, until I use my own fn() to populate the dropdown, then it breaks
18:21.56Elvisoso I try to set the inherits property on the control, but when I save the file it erases it
18:22.20ElvisoI think I'm about to break off from the WoW UI Des, and dive into the XML
18:29.49KirkburnDon't drown :)
18:29.59Elvisohehe
18:30.12Elviso*raises hand* question
18:30.30Elvisosay I have frame 1, which is the main GUI config option frame
18:30.57Elvisoif my addon needs an onupdate method, would it be best to create a 2nd frame to handle that I assume?
18:31.11Elvisosince #1 will be hidden most of the time
18:32.45Josh_Borkeyou could make the size REALLY REALLY small, and then when they pull up the options make it grow :D
18:33.55Josh_BorkeAnduinLothar: did you release your MP3 control addon?
18:34.13krkamake a new frame for OnUpdate
18:34.14krkaimo
18:34.20krkathen you can control that visibily as you want
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18:34.44ElvisoI can just make it always visible, but with now visible controls, no?
18:34.54Josh_BorkeElviso: correct
18:34.57Elvisook
18:35.52cmunno.O
18:36.18Temkrka: don't worry about SetX
18:36.26krkayeah i'm not anymore
18:36.38krkai simply _can't_ make my cache outperform it
18:36.41TemI'm surprized you bothered this much
18:36.41cmunnYea, It's really not that much slower... You should test it out.
18:38.16krkame too
18:38.58krkanow it's just a matter of curiousity how close i can get
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18:41.28krkai am wondering if it's _ever_ good to cache tooltips _at all_
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18:46.02ElvisoLF good netradio station w/a wide selection, suggetions?
18:46.43TainI still love pandora.com
18:46.46Elvisooooo Naxx info released: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/1p11/naxxramas/roadtodamnation.html
18:47.24Elvisowell, more like lore + wallpaper
18:48.26StylpePandora is awesome
18:48.40StylpeAnd I don't mean hotdog-awesome
18:48.50Codayuspandora>> all
18:49.05Codayusit keeps getting better too...
18:49.20StylpeAnyway, I'm starting to wonder if it's worth it to support localisatino of chat commands. Whaddaya think?
18:49.22Elvisogoing to try it out now
18:50.25krkaok, caching only makes sense if you're not going to redraw the tooltip
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18:58.20KirkburnGlad to see it's all new models in Naxx
18:59.03KirkburnHairy one's at that :P
18:59.12KirkburnDammit, what is it with me and apostrophes
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19:03.49ElvisoPandora is nice, I can feel my productivity increasing by the minute
19:04.10Elvisolol @ id`
19:04.20id`;>
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19:27.21krkagonna ask one more time just in case i get lucky
19:27.29krkaanyone want to make an UI for me?
19:27.29cmunn42
19:27.43cmunnWhat's the UI for?
19:27.47Maldiviaheh
19:27.47krkaGRAB
19:27.55Maldiviaand grab stands for ?
19:28.08cmunnYes, give us more information
19:28.23krkahere's an old version
19:28.34TainGrubby Raccoon Ass Babboon
19:28.36krkahttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4524
19:28.51krkayou wish Tain
19:30.42Elvisook, do I need to set each elements OnLoad within that frame itself, or can I just call a MyAddonUI_OnLoad() when my addon loads at startiup, and include all OnLoads there?
19:38.31Josh_Borkekrka: are you using the ActionButton IDs?
19:39.19krkano
19:39.33Josh_Borkeoh good, so i could use these in addition to something like Visor?
19:39.47cmunnSweet.  My first revision of CT_RaidAssist is working.
19:40.53Cide-what are you even trying to do?
19:41.13Josh_Borkeparty ctra of course
19:42.09Cide-you could probably accomplish that faster by writing a new addon
19:42.11cmunnFirst, abstract a few common actions into functions
19:42.32cmunnSuch as Getting the RaidID by Name
19:42.42krkasure you could
19:43.52cmunnThat's a possibility...
19:44.24cmunnBut everyone uses CT_RA
19:45.02cmunnI also rewrote a few sections (Message Parsing for one)
19:45.40krkaGRAB is actually the reason i wrote FAIAP :P
19:45.48krkakinda got sidetracked with it
19:45.56TainNot everyone uses CT_RA though.  Some people use other addons that just pretend to be CT_RA. :)
19:47.09cmunnand I wrapped a few functions which couldn't be feasibly overridden but needed to be for the addons I'd like to write
19:48.22cmunnI'd rather not have to rewrite my addon every time CT_RA updates.
19:48.40Cide-Tain: which is quite silly :)
19:50.02cmunnCide-: Agreed. I don't want to replace CT_RA, and I don't want to lock my users into a single version of CT_RA if they want my extensions...
19:50.30Cide-well, depends on their intentions
19:50.53Cide-if it is because their guild requires it and they don't like it, then it's silly
19:50.59Cide-if they want something more lightweight I can understand it
19:51.52AnduinLothari wish i could have a small crta with just e-mon, rdy checks and tanks
19:52.50AnduinLotharcause guilds always req it, but i have other raid frames
19:53.06Josh_BorkeAnduinLothar: did you ever release your MP3 addon?
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19:53.14Cide-see, others want other things
19:53.59AnduinLotharnot yet josh, it's not really pollished and sucks for windows atm
19:54.10Josh_Borkeblast
19:54.12TainEveryone wants something different, you can never make everyone happy.
19:54.18Josh_Borkethanks :-)
19:54.43AnduinLotharit'd copy all your music to one folder in your wow dir if you used it now
19:54.53AnduinLotharon mac it uses symlinks
19:55.20AnduinLotharbut the coding to create shortcuts is rediculously more complicated than i have time to learn
19:56.04TainIf a person is using NTFS you can use junctions, which work about the same as symlinks.
19:56.08TainBut wouldn't work on FAT.
19:56.47AnduinLotharjunctions are also complicated and only for folders
19:57.03KirkburnYou can't use it to lose weight then?
19:57.21MaldiviaAnduin, as for coding symlinks, you can always take the easy way, and do a sys("ln -s bla bla") :)
19:57.37AnduinLotharon mac/unix it's cake
19:57.44AnduinLotharon windows it's a nightmare
19:57.54MaldiviaCan't remember the commandline tool in windows
19:58.54cmunnCan Tooltips register for events?
19:59.00TainYeah thought junctions worked for files too for some reason.
19:59.17Irielcmunn : yes
19:59.25Irielcmunn : Any Frame or Frame-Derivative can register for events
20:00.49cmunnGood stuff
20:03.05MaldiviaAnduin: considered looking at the sysinternals junction command, and the code for that ?
20:03.29Tain...
20:03.46AnduinLothari dont have a pc, i'd have to test it in VPC, which sucks slow
20:04.46MaldiviaAnduin: well, if you're interested in it: http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Junction.html
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20:05.15AnduinLothardo most people have sysinternals installed?
20:05.17TainYou mean what we already discussed and dismissed as not what's needed?
20:05.41MaldiviaAnduin: my guess would be somewher eclose to 0.0001%
20:05.59AnduinLotharexactly..
20:06.02TainNo AnduinLothar, even though junction wouldn't work you'd still have to include it as part of your app, either the exe or the source.
20:06.26AnduinLotharjunctions would work fine if i used a diff method
20:06.42TainBut only for people who have NTFS anyway.
20:06.57TainWhich I'm not willing to make a guess at the amount who do verses those running FAT32.
20:08.26Maldiviadoesn't most computers with preinstalled Windows, use NTFS?
20:08.34KirkburnXP and up yeah
20:09.05TainIt's an option.
20:09.09KirkburnSo that's an awful lot of office PCs which don't. I'd guess it's about 50:50
20:10.07KirkburnIf we're talking about preinstalled Windows it's not an option :)
20:10.13TainCreating shortcuts in XP/NT/etc. is a pain in the ass though.  But if you really wanted to I think this informations till applies to XP though it was
20:10.25TainIt is when the person installing it chooses the option, Kirkburn
20:10.35Tainhttp://www.robvanderwoude.com/amb_shortcutsnt.html
20:10.54KirkburnWell yes, i.e. it's the OEMs choice not the end-iser
20:10.56Kirkburn*user
20:11.08TainShows the method at least of how to call rundll32 with a formed .inf file to create a shortcut.
20:11.48Maldiviawell, there's a long way from shortcuts to actual symlinks
20:11.49TainYes but that doesn't mean any more that you know which option someone has, I have on idea what Dell's standard policy is, for example.
20:12.12Tain*insert sound of banging head on keyboard here*
20:12.29Maldiviayou mean this sound: sdgjoæsghsghsgahsgæajæ
20:12.38TainPlease at least read up to the beginning of the conversation, Maldivia.
20:13.45TainAnyway I deem the entire thing a waste of time and control my music player with my G15 keyboard and see what I'm playing with it's LCD display.  So fehl.
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20:21.43cmunnMeh
20:21.48AnduinLotharmoo
20:25.09cmunnBlizzard makes me sad.
20:28.06cmunnPARTY_LEADER_CHANGED is buggy
20:33.11BMost of the UI is
20:33.35BEvery part of it is designed so that it will do what it was intended to do for it's specific purpose or function
20:33.47BIt's astonishing that people have ever been able to craft function addons
20:33.52Bfunctional*
20:34.38BIriel, it's an appaulling API, and if you do not see that then you simply have not programmed enough
20:34.40zenzelezzcareful Iriel, they feed on attention
20:35.36Tainteehee mommy can I have one?
20:35.44Gryphenthey bite
20:35.54TainNaaah they just bark a lot.
20:36.24krkairiel not programmed enough? O_o
20:36.38BAs in, programmed, not scripting
20:37.02TainAww so cute.
20:37.35BTain I have been here for some weeks to bother offer and take help here and write addons also, when I must
20:37.46BSo calling me a troll is wrong
20:37.57IrielYou're fulfilling that role
20:38.01BYou simply call that out in self defence since Blizzard is like your father to you
20:38.08Maldiviahmm... a B... but sorry, I can only give you an F for the attempt...
20:38.15TainShhh quiet B the adults are talking now.
20:38.28IrielAnd i've been programming for about 26 years
20:38.36krkawho is B?
20:39.00Irielprofessionally for about 15 of those
20:39.19BAnd yet you think that WoW's API is good
20:39.21krkai've been professional for 2 months :P
20:39.25IrielI believe your problem is that you fail to realize what the goal of the API is
20:39.26IrielIt
20:39.42IrielIt's there to support writing of in-game UI's without exposing information it shouldn't.
20:39.44TainI'll be a professional some day.  Well, maybe.  It seems sort of a pain in the ass.
20:40.04IrielIt's a terrible API for ordering a pizza
20:40.13TainI just haven't decided a professional "what" to be.
20:40.38TainNo kidding Iriel, you can't order a pizza from within the UI without third-party executables and I'll be damned if I get banned for ordering a large pepperoni and sausage.
20:40.51IrielMy local pizza place has web ordering so I just use a different desktop
20:41.14IrielThat's immersion breaking though
20:41.35IrielEating a real pizza should give me in-game food buffs, also.
20:41.43TainThere was one place I used to order from in California that I could order from the web, put in my credit card, and just have to sign when it showed up at the door.
20:41.52AnduinLotharbuffs  ur rl
20:41.53cmunnHrm... Seems the issue might not be with Blizzard...
20:41.56TainThis having to have cash on hand is BS.
20:42.24Gryphenyay for papa johns online
20:42.31MaldiviaThat why I love Denmark, and it's national wide Dankort :)
20:42.47IrielI dont have a local papa johns 8-(
20:42.59TainYeah, I don't think there's Papa Johns near me.  Not that I'm a huge fan of their pizza, it was good enough, but the breadsticks and sauces made up for it.
20:43.54TainOh actually I was wrong, they did start opening near me.  There's one about 3 miles away.
20:46.55ElvisoPapa who? Valentino's makes the best pizza, period! :)
20:48.06IrielB: To answer your earlier comment - I defend the Blizzard API's because they're solidly thought out, and represent a pragmatic solution to a hard problem.
20:51.22IrielAnd quite frankly they represent the most open attempt at community UI collaboration i've ever seen from a full-sized MMO
20:51.54IrielSnipe all you want to about specific things that may be inconvenient to YOU, but all in all it's an in impressive achievement, both technically and politically.
20:55.33hyperChipmunk...until they got to implementing battlegrounds, at which point it seems they said, 'screw it' >8\
20:57.17MiravlixThat we can code is better than nothing, but if you can't be objective and see the mess they have created, then we are talking fanatism here.
20:57.49krkaplease don't confuse the API with their own existing Lua code
20:58.00hyperChipmunkoh, I wholly disagree with that stance, Miravlix
20:58.44AnduinLothartheir api is good, their lua code could use some work
20:59.23Tem'some work' is unfortunately a vast understatement in a few cases
20:59.34MiravlixYou have to reconice the limitations in the API, to propperly code around it, if you just keep saying everything is fine, we will keep creating a mess.
21:00.00TemAnd that's different from working with any other API, how?
21:00.02IrielTem/Anduin : Miravlix's position, I believe, isn't just that the standard UI code could use some work
21:00.05hyperChipmunkthat's what APIs are
21:00.12hyperChipmunkthey shape how you do things
21:00.13IrielThe belief is in fact that the API is in some way deeply flawed
21:00.26hyperChipmunkthey're meant to have limitations
21:00.34TainOf course you have two choices.  Well two and a half.
21:00.39AnduinLotharmeh, he thinks hooks are hacks
21:00.56TainWork with it as is, work with it and make suggestions to Slouken to improve (one and a half choices)
21:01.08MiravlixYes, I consider it a failure of the current implementations that we have to code libraries to make multiple addons work well together
21:01.13TainOr piss off.
21:01.20TainJust complaining about it for the sake of complaining does nothing.
21:01.36MiravlixBecause you can't make all the coders work together
21:02.01Tain"Oh oh I'm so smart!  I can tell commercial ventures how they should do things because I'm a single person and know better than everyone!  Yay me!"
21:02.23MiravlixYou can't get everyone to use the same library to solve that multiple addons calls the same slow api's
21:02.51krkanot sure the APIs are slow
21:03.06krkai spent a considerable amount of time trying to cache Tooltip:SetX
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21:03.24krkai succeeded in making it cached, but failed in making it faster
21:03.59IrielPart of that can come from the meaning of "slow" -- "slow" doesn't necessarily mean it COULD be any faster
21:04.07krkabut then again, the biggest slowdown was actually setting the tooltip according to the cached data
21:05.02MiravlixI do not beleive SetX can be coded better than it is.
21:05.08MiravlixI wonder about SetOwner though
21:05.35IrielHey Miravlix : Do your libraries localize FontString.GetText?
21:06.01IrielMiravlix : as in local fsGT = FontString.GetText;  then text = fsGT(BlahTooltipTextLeft1) ?
21:06.21krkayou mean unlocalize?
21:06.25MiravlixNo. I store the data in a table in a non local specific format
21:07.04IrielPoor choice of verb, perhaps
21:07.07MiravlixA spell name is still localized
21:07.11Iriel"use a local reference to the frame method"
21:07.20cmunnWhen are OnUpdate's called?
21:07.24Irielnot "adjust for language localization"
21:07.28krkaany udev / gnome-volume-manager / fstab gurus here?
21:07.30Irielcmunn : Right before things are drawn to the screen
21:07.41Irielkrka: I know fstab pretty well, but not the other 2 parts
21:07.42cmunnSo on a regular basis?
21:07.56[MoonWolf]very regular
21:08.00krkadamn, the other two parts are the ones giving me most trouble i think
21:08.04Irielcmunn : Every time the screen is repainted, for every frame that's visible (* with some pathological exceptions)
21:08.13cmunnLike if I needed to delay processing of an event, I could just process it say 10 updates later?
21:08.31Miravlixcmunn: Use GetTime()
21:08.34Irielcmunn : yes, that's the mechanism by which those things are done
21:08.34MiravlixTo delay
21:08.46Irielcmunn : bear in mind you can't do some things from OnUpdates that you can from hardware events
21:09.15krkamaybe usbmount is a good thing to download...
21:09.18cmunnMy problem is that when Blizzard fires PARTY_LEADER_CHANGED both the new leader and the old leader are considered party leaders
21:09.44cmunnSo I need to process the event a little while after so Blizzard can finish updating my party
21:10.02Temhow does the party interface handle it?
21:10.21Temsurely there is a cleaner solution
21:10.34Miravlixcmunn: if GetTime() - StoredValue > 1 then -- execute this after 1 second wait
21:11.04MiravlixSoredValue = GetTime() in your party leader event
21:11.35Temyeah, um
21:11.50Temif you're that worried about efficiency, use arg1
21:11.59Temno function call
21:12.32IrielI suspect the duality is resolved before the next OnUpdate fires
21:12.51Irielparty changes tend to happen as a series of events, but they're logically "all at once"
21:13.15ComicSansMSquote from wow-wikis entry to PARTY_LEADER_CHANGED: "Referred to as buggy." oO
21:13.25[MoonWolf]but the next event is not fired untill the previous one is done handeling ?
21:13.37Irielyes
21:13.38Temnot always true
21:13.47Irielfor server-initiated events
21:13.53TemPLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED is a good example of a re-entrant event
21:14.35[MoonWolf]kk
21:14.42Temyou can create a "target change meltdown of doom" by changing the player's target in your PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED handler
21:14.51Temwhich is sort of a fun thing to do
21:14.58MaldiviaEXECUTE_CHAT_LINE aswell :)
21:15.16[MoonWolf]or you can still do stuff in it that regularly require a hardware event.
21:15.35[MoonWolf]like, casting huntermark.
21:16.48Temnot always
21:17.02TemPTC *sometimes* counts as a hardware event
21:17.24[MoonWolf]i have been misinformed
21:18.09Temiirc from my testing, it works as a hardware event when the target change is initiated by a hardware event
21:18.55[MoonWolf]so it does work on a mouseclick but not if the game forces one because you were attacked ?
21:19.37IrielHere's why that is...
21:20.05IrielAnything you run from the start of a hardware event to when the handler for THAT event returns from its lua execution has the 'hardware event' flag set
21:21.22[MoonWolf]yeah, the quirck that allows you to cast an instant stopspellcasting and then cast a second spell in one macro is caused by that i think.
21:22.03IrielYes
21:22.07krkayay!
21:22.09krkamade it work
21:22.12krkai r0x at udev
21:22.26Josh_Borkeyay!
21:24.06krkano wait, i didn't
21:26.05krkaok... udev creates the correct /dev/-nodes
21:26.07krkahm
21:27.27Josh_Borkekrka: what are you doing?
21:27.42krkatrying to get automounting of my card-reader
21:29.09Josh_Borkeah
21:30.51cmunnDo only certain frames receive updates?
21:31.27krkaall visible frames
21:31.28MaldiviaOnUpdate are only called on shown frames
21:31.37krkamaybe maldivia is more accurate :)
21:31.58Cide-visible frames, actually
21:32.25Cide-that's what my impression is, but I haven't actually made any tests...
21:32.35IrielIt's visible frames
21:32.38krkawhoa
21:32.49krkai just tried to do ctrl-x ctrl-c in firefox
21:32.51IrielMaldivia is still logically correct
21:32.54krkai must be getting tired
21:33.05TainSince there is a difference between IsVisible and IsShown so it is an important distinction.
21:33.38IrielOnUpdate are only called on shown frames, and only those that are Visible. 8-)
21:34.05Iriel(*unless you change visibility during another frame's OnUpdate, and get very unlucky)
21:34.24Tainhaha
21:34.31Maldiviawell, a frame isn't visible, unless it's shown...
21:36.12MaldiviaI always end up getting confused when talking about visible and shown frames :)
21:36.52MaldiviaI'll just go back to my Firefly...
21:36.58Cairennsorry about my abrupt manner earlier, been an ... interesting ... day
21:37.10AnduinLotharmoo
21:37.14Josh_Borkeroar
21:37.20Cairenn*purr*
21:37.28Josh_Borkeer, wait
21:37.28Josh_Borkeoink
21:37.31cmunnWell darn... I guess I need another frame
21:37.46Josh_Borkehm, 10MB/s is slow for gigabit, no?
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21:38.28cmunnI've got a tooltip that does the fun "this:SetOwner(WorldFrame, "ANCHOR_NONE");" thing...
21:38.33Maldivia10MB is in the good end of 100MBit :)
21:38.37AnduinLothardepends if it's 1 big file ro lots of litle ones
21:38.42cmunnIs there an easy way to make it visible? or will it always be non-visible?
21:40.40Irielcmunn : this:Show()
21:41.03Irielthough I'm not sure where ANCHOR_NONE makes it end up
21:41.23Irielyou might need to make that ANCHOR_PRESERVE, and then use SetAnchor on it explicitly
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21:43.20krkaok... now all that's bothering me is that i have to do "mount /dev/sd-reader" manually
21:43.30krkaooh... maybe i can setup that from udev...
21:44.37IrielThat would be a volume manager thing wouldn't it?
21:46.15krkaSUCCESS!
21:46.24krkayou'd think so
21:46.31krkagnome-volume-manager fails it for this one :/
21:46.41krkaBUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="USB SD Reader   ",
21:46.41krkaNAME="sd-%k" SYMLINK="sd-reader", RUN+="/bin/mount /dev/sd-reader"
21:46.42krkaFTW
21:46.58Cairennwhoa, is that a StylpeDnD I see in channel? LTNS!  How are you hun?
21:47.39cmunnYAY! It works!
21:47.46cmunnNo more leader lag
21:47.58TainDown with leaders!
21:48.16cmunnWell, I get to go to work now :'(
21:49.14Josh_Borkei'm getting 10-11MB/s using rsync over a gigabit line
21:49.40Josh_Borkeany recommendations to speed it up? or just leave it as is?
21:50.13IrielWhee, slouken gave us what I think is the missing GameTooltip function
21:50.31IrielJosh_Borke : Well, is it network limited or protocol/CPU/disk limited now?
21:50.56krkawhich one is that Iriel?
21:51.03Iriel* Tooltip:AddFontStrings(leftstring, rightstring) - dynamically expand the maximum size of a tooltip
21:51.10Josh_Borkehonestly, i have no idea.  there are only 2 machines running on the switch, the 2 that are transferring back and forth
21:51.30Josh_Borkersync is using about 20% cpu (according to top) and the load on the machine is about 1.76
21:51.37Josh_Borkeit's probably disk limited
21:51.52Josh_Borkebecause it's rebuilding a raid-5 array while copying data onto it :-X
21:51.59ckknighthey all
21:52.03Josh_Borkehey ckknight !
21:52.29IrielI suspect it's going as fast as it's likely to be able to go then
21:52.41Josh_Borkeusing the raid-5 while rebuilding is ok though, right?
21:53.11TainYeah you'll just be slow.
21:53.15TainBut you won't hurt anything.
21:53.18Josh_Borkeok, cool
21:53.21Josh_Borkethanks, bye all :-)
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21:58.05TemIriel: it looks like we're still missing a way to set the PushedTextOffset
21:58.29Elkanook, I'll be saying good night soon, too. I'll be off until monday so dont mess up this place :)
21:58.42Cairennnight Elkano, have a great weekend
21:59.13Elkanohope so... anime con :)
21:59.39Cairenndifferent strokes for different folks
22:00.01AnduinLotharstrokes?
22:00.57Cairennas in: I don't enjoy anime particularly, but since he does, I hope he enjoys himself
22:01.18Cairennwhat was on *your* mind?
22:01.26IrielTem: Not anymore
22:01.28AnduinLotharswimming
22:01.36TemIriel: ?
22:01.37AnduinLotharit's hot in here
22:01.46AnduinLotharmaybe i should take off all ym clothes
22:02.00Cairennsee, that's another different type of stroke
22:02.02Iriel* NEW Button:SetPushedTextOffset(x, y)
22:02.05Temhah! I see it
22:02.06Iriel* NEW x, y = Button:GetPushedTextOffset()
22:02.13Temwhen did those happen?
22:02.46Iriel11 minutes ago
22:02.52Cairenn:)
22:03.24Temdid he read my mind or was an email involved?
22:03.26CairennSlouken really does spoil this community
22:04.04Temoh, must have been mind-reading since I didn't express my thoughts anywhere before 11 mintues ago
22:04.07Osagasuand we love him for every bit of it
22:04.28OsagasuIt Won't read my Oblivion disk!
22:04.31TemI think that removes just about all the road blocks in a dynamic frame creation library
22:05.29CodayusOsagasu: I just grabbed an image of bit torrent.  much easier.  (I aslo have a legit copy, but I havne't even cracked the seal on the case...)
22:05.43OsagasuIts not the disk
22:05.47OsagasuIts the damned driver
22:05.49Osagasu*drive
22:05.54Codayusya
22:06.02Codayusactual physical media is just a pain
22:06.03OsagasuPOS is the brand name of it, I swear.
22:06.15CodayusI ,3 daemon tools
22:06.18Codayus<3, even
22:06.34IrielTem: he's been working through Esamynn's collection of missing methods
22:06.44IrielTem: All day has been an endless cookiefest
22:06.57OsagasuPITA is the model name, and 666FU is the model number.  look it up.
22:07.01Temwell, it's kickass
22:07.02Osagasu>.<
22:07.27Tem1.11 is going to be a good UI patch
22:07.53IrielHey tem, I redid my virtual frame driver to use just one table for a frame
22:07.58AnduinLotharhope they ballanced naxx. the entrance guard was impossible
22:08.01Temoh cool
22:08.01Osagasu1.12 is gonna make me finish leveling my mage and start leveling my shaman
22:08.15Osagasuerr
22:08.16Osagasu1.11
22:08.17Osagasu>.>
22:08.37Tem1.11 is going to be the deciding factor in my shelving or not shelving my mage
22:08.37AnduinLotharcouldn't kill him with full aq40 gear and full world buffs
22:08.52Temmaybe you guys sucked?
22:09.42AnduinLotharpossible, but when you have a grp that can clear bwl and the tanks have >10k hp...
22:11.10wereHamsterAnduinLothar, what is the damage in naxx based on? nature? shadow?
22:11.26AnduinLotharsome of both
22:11.47AnduinLothardepends on which wing you're in
22:23.07Cairennoh boy ....
22:23.40AnduinLotharon girl?
22:23.53Cairennyet again, we've got someone (who really should know better, and that some folks will listen to), informing people that all addons are public domain, that authors have no copyright
22:23.56Cairenn"And it's not like you own any copyrights to -any- mod. All the files (accept maybe any custom graphics files you made) are all copyrighted by Blizzard. Their code, their functions, their language. I'm not saying this to be mean, but that's just the fact of it. People don't HAVE to credit you. It's polite, encouraged.. but not required. Someone can take your code, jumble it up, slap their name on it, and call
22:24.26AnduinLotharlern2read
22:25.10CairennAnduinLothar: ?
22:25.44AnduinLotharneeds to actually read the TOA and copywrite laws
22:25.51Cairennyeah
22:27.32zeegIf your want to read the Version, you must read each byte seperatly and you must Convert each of this bytes to a 7 Byte int.
22:27.33zeegwhats that mean
22:31.27CodayusKind of sad, really.  Copyright really isn't that tricky a concept...
22:32.05zeegmy ass it isnt
22:32.10zeegthe basic idea of it isnt
22:32.19zeegbut once you get into it there's a lot to it
22:32.59StylpeDnDCairenn :D
22:33.07Cairennhey Stylpe :)
22:33.57StylpeI was a bit let down when you didn't notice me earlier when you left, but I soon understood why =)
22:34.04StylpeHow's the girl?
22:34.30Cairennshe'll be okay, thanks
22:34.40StylpeGood :)
22:34.50StylpeHow are you? ^_^
22:35.02Cairenndoing well enough, and yourself?
22:35.07StylpeLong time no chat
22:35.19Cairennindeed
22:35.41Cairennwhere have you been hiding yourself?
22:35.45StylpeI'm doing okay. Not as good as I hoped I would be doing last time we spoke, I've been skipping school and stuff
22:35.50Stylpe*college
22:36.01CairennStylpe: ><
22:36.03Cairennbad
22:36.14StylpeBut I'm mostly back on track, thankfully
22:36.24Cairenngood
22:36.30CodayusAtending classes is useful...
22:36.44Codayustook me a couple semesters to work that out.  :-/
22:36.57StylpeThat depends on the person in front doing the lecture ;)
22:38.41Codayus:-)
22:38.42StylpeYeah, I've been semi-depressed, lost my WoW-spirit, generally just been letting life slip through my fingers doing nothing, but I've picked myself up now. Won't happen again, at least not for a long time
22:39.00Codayusouch...still...thats good to hear.  :-)
22:39.04StylpeBut enough about me and my personal demons )O
22:39.07Stylpe*=P
22:39.19TainI'm still waiting for my personal succubus.
22:39.38StylpeTain, I hope you have a book or ten =P
22:40.09StylpeCairenn, I missed youuuuuuu! >_<
22:40.42CairennStylpe: awww *blush*
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22:47.02KirkburnHeh ... Eyonix: Penguin Update 4/27/06: The design team agrees that the idea is cool, but it's not currently on the to-do list. When more concrete information pertaining to non-combat penguin pets surface, I'll be sure to share.
22:48.57AnduinLotharcan we make editboxes hold more than 255 characters?
22:49.29MaldiviaSetMaxLetters(1000) ?
22:49.33Maldiviaor is it SetMaxLength
22:50.56zespri_workthere is an attribute on xml element of editbox as well
22:50.56Iriel<PROTECTED>
22:50.57Iriel<PROTECTED>
22:55.23zespri_workIriel, have you ever tried to set this to a real big number?
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22:56.56zespri_workthe maximum that standard UI uses I beleive not more then some small number. And when you try to set it to a big number and put a big text into the edit box the text doesn't fit the editbox, the display of it is mispalced. And if you on top of this will try to drag the window it becomes even worse.
22:57.42AnduinLotharwell atm there's an issue with it being too long, but that's just display
22:58.03Irielzespri_work: I haven't no, but the standard UI sets it to 255 IIRC
22:58.25AnduinLothartry it zes
22:59.13zespri_workI did, Anduin. it looks like a mess
22:59.33AnduinLotharlooks doesn't matter if it copies
22:59.51AnduinLotharthe looks is jsut a current bug with lines that are too wide
23:00.26zespri_workit's been like this from the beginning and there is no indication that this is gonna be fixed
23:00.35krkai have also noticed visual bugs when editing long texts in editboxes
23:00.40AnduinLotharit worked in 1.9
23:00.42krkamost annoying
23:00.43zespri_workand this will look like crap. do you really want it to look like crap?
23:01.04AnduinLotharthey just broke the lines not wrapping in 1.10
23:01.32Maldiviaisn't there an option to set, to make them warp?
23:01.43krkayes
23:01.47Irielzespri_work: Have you reported this bug in a systematic way in the forums?
23:01.50zespri_workno, no, I didn't try it with 1.10 but I did with 1.9. and it didn't look good. I'll try again tonight but don't expect good results =)
23:01.59krkasleep for me!
23:02.02krka*gone*
23:02.13Cairennnight krka, sweet dreams
23:02.35Maldivianight night
23:02.39zespri_workIriel, no I haven't reported it even once, because I don't really think that blizzard would care. They don't use editbox with more then 255 char and thus they are fine
23:03.40Irielzespri_work: Do you actually READ the UI forum?
23:03.52zespri_workOcasionally. Why?
23:04.07IrielThat statement would seem to indicate you dont
23:04.12Maldiviathey are constantly adding functions and fixing bugs, they they don't use in the default UI
23:04.24IrielWe often get things fixed because "they are broken" regardless whether the UI uses them
23:04.29zespri_workFrom time to time I search for your and soulken posts and reas them. But I rarely read the forum on it's own it's too huge
23:05.03IrielWell reported bug almost always get fixed, or at the very least acknowledged.
23:05.13KirkburnI assume you didn't just say that the changes thread is "too huge" :)
23:05.21zespri_workOk, thank you for letting me know this.
23:05.42KirkburnYou can use this to keep track of posts too, zespri .. http://blue.cardplace.com/blue_results1.htm
23:05.42zespri_workNo the changes thread is of course awesome
23:06.00zespri_workKirkBurn, I always do =)
23:06.14Kirkburnheh, I just noticed you can search by forum too, even better
23:06.17TainI get too sad reading any other forums though, people are absolutely vicious to any other blue posts.
23:07.10TainI've seen people complain about what they feel is excess moderation, with what gets left I can't imagine what gets removed.
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23:10.00Osagasuhttp://revolution.nintendo.com/ : Introducing "Nintendo 'WTF'"
23:10.14Maldiviaohh the N Wii... :)
23:10.26Crispixyeah.. its.. interesting isn't it
23:10.51OsagasuI liked the controller.  I thought interesting things could be done with it
23:10.59CrispixThey can
23:11.00Osagasubut Wii?
23:11.12IrielHeh, "Wii did they call it that?"
23:11.16CrispixI don't think the name will matter after Wii get used to it..
23:11.18OsagasuI mean, c'mon!  even Gamecube had a better name!
23:12.08OsagasuI bet they named it that for the puns.
23:12.17AnduinLotharprolly
23:12.24hyperChipmunknot that there's anything wrong with that =)
23:12.31AnduinLothartho when i saw it i thought W2
23:12.34hyperChipmunkFuBar was named for much the same reason >8D
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23:14.03IrielWhee, more cookies
23:14.35OsagasuBut FuBar is descriptive.  Wii is just...  why?
23:14.41Osagasuor "We", depending
23:15.23Gryphenwiitarded
23:15.25Maldiviaslouken has has a very very very busy day!
23:16.22TainI think they're just gearing up for the lackluster response they're going to get, all that ennui.
23:16.34MaldiviaI check the 1.11 thread, and 4 new posts from him, about additions
23:17.15Iriel13 posts today
23:17.43IrielBy the way, I think you may have meant line = EditBox:GetHistoryLine(index)
23:17.51IrielIn your requests post
23:18.25ElvisoEye of C'Thun's Eye Beam hits you for 21844 Nature Damage.
23:18.35ElvisoCT attempts are all they're cracked up to be :\
23:18.40Elvisos/are/aren't/
23:19.03Stylp3http://www.firefoxflicks.com/flick/index.php?id=19542&c=false
23:20.07OsagasuIf I were a developer I would be thinking "Wii did I put my money into that dev kit?"
23:20.14Maldivialol
23:20.40OsagasuI'm so mean
23:20.56Stylp3And about the Revo name, I only have one thing to say: WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII! ^_^
23:22.24TainIt's supposedly pronounced more like, "wee"
23:24.34OsagasuWii know, Tain.
23:24.44IrielArgh, today's java/lua mixup is string.find(args[i], '=')
23:27.05KemayoOpinion request:  In a quest tracker, when an option to only display quests for the current area is enabled, should class quests still display?
23:29.02AnduinLotharmake it optional :P
23:30.16IrielIf they're for that area, yes.. if you dont know, then i'd say it'd have to be optional.
23:30.50OsagasuPersonally I'd rather show and hide class quest to be completely seperate and independant
23:37.02cladhaireIriel: I screw stuff like that up all the time switching between =)
23:39.38AnduinLotharoo GetAddOnMetadata
23:40.47cladhaireAnyone remember when the Blizzard raid ui was added?
23:41.00AnduinLothar1.6?
23:41.06MaldiviaI was about to say 1.5
23:41.18cladhairecause i'm thinking of just pulling the XML for the raid tab on the social window and making it standalone
23:41.28cladhaireit'd be much better for those who use raid replacement mods.
23:42.14Maldiviawell, I know a lot who use both at the same time
23:42.26cladhaireWell, this would be optional obviously
23:42.55cladhairecaus ei know no one who uses the the blizzard raid frames alone with another set of frames
23:43.36AnduinLothar"alone with another set of frames"?
23:43.44cladhaires/one/ong/
23:43.49AnduinLotharis that liek being alone together?
23:43.50cladhairehaha
23:43.54cladhairei meant together
23:43.58cladhairetypos ftw
23:44.35IrielYou're on typo fire!
23:45.49cladhaire1.6 brought the raid UI with it =)
23:45.57ckknightanyone know how to make a frame not take on its parent's alpha value?
23:46.02AnduinLothari win!
23:46.16Irielckknight : You can't
23:46.29Irielckknight : So I guess "set it to have a different parent" is the not-quite-answer
23:46.39ckknightmeh
23:46.42ckknightthat's what's gonna have to happen
23:47.06IrielYou're likely abusing parent-child relationships if you're trying to get that to happen
23:47.31ckknight:-P
23:47.35ckknightprobably.
23:48.22dieckhm? in oo, it's quite common and extremely useful that a child can change things it inherited.
23:48.42ckknightoverloading
23:48.55ckknightbut this isn't an OO thing, it's a UI parent-child relationship
23:49.35dieckok, but the resemblance is there :)
23:49.54ckknightyes
23:49.57ckknightthat's true
23:50.15Maldiviawell, the same resemblance as a file has to the folder it's in...
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23:52.31Stylp3ninight, all
23:53.55IrielAb, but it's the same idea
23:54.03Iriels/Ab/Ah/
23:54.16IrielDont confuse parenting with anchoring
23:57.32ckknightyea, now it doesn't reparent, just anchors

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