| 00:00.09 | cladhaire | Iriel: The event fires long after the combo point should exist.. i'll do some more testing. |
| 00:01.50 | Iriel | This case is different then |
| 00:02.00 | Iriel | because the event fires but the API doesn't update |
| 00:02.38 | cladhaire | _shoudl_ =) |
| 00:02.45 | cladhaire | bt like I said i'll do some testing. |
| 00:05.16 | Shadowd | The API does have one for how many combo points though, couldn't you use whatever event to check when it says more were added/subtracted and then check the API? |
| 00:06.09 | Shadowd | PLAYER_COMBO_POINTS and then check GetComboPoints(); that is |
| 00:09.54 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 00:10.03 | cladhaire | if i can get on my rogue tonight, i'll test it out |
| 00:10.09 | cladhaire | but i'm priest-raiding at the moment =( |
| 00:10.41 | Shadowd | same, luckly people don't want to wipe to emps tonight so we're short people! |
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| 00:20.17 | cladhaire | Anyone else just have their server die? |
| 00:20.38 | Cairenn | not I |
| 00:20.52 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 00:20.56 | Cairenn | you on tonight? |
| 00:21.37 | Shadowd | Nope IC is fine cladhaire |
| 00:21.40 | Iriel | It depends on how much work I decide to take home with me |
| 00:21.45 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:21.48 | Iriel | i'm sure i'll be on IRC tho |
| 00:21.55 | cladhaire | Stormrage is crying. |
| 00:21.57 | Cairenn | well, if you do log in, I left you a prezzie |
| 00:22.13 | Cairenn | in your mail box |
| 00:22.54 | Iriel | ooh, does it resemble the outside of a cow? |
| 00:23.06 | Cairenn | nope |
| 00:23.20 | Iriel | If not, can you also collect some of that (light & medium) in your travels? My engineering just reached a point where it's handy 8-) |
| 00:23.30 | Cairenn | surely |
| 00:23.37 | Cairenn | I've been just auctioning them off |
| 00:23.41 | norganna | Animal, Vegetable or M\ineral? |
| 00:23.46 | Cairenn | animal |
| 00:24.08 | norganna | Is it a pet? |
| 00:24.15 | Cairenn | nope |
| 00:24.21 | norganna | Alive or Dead? |
| 00:24.26 | Cairenn | dead and cooked |
| 00:24.32 | norganna | lol |
| 00:25.05 | Cairenn | Iriel: you'll understand why "no" on the cow look after you read the other mail |
| 00:25.29 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 00:25.32 | Iriel | I'll check when I get home |
| 00:25.42 | Cairenn | no worries |
| 00:25.47 | Cairenn | whenever :) |
| 00:26.25 | Cairenn | was just letting you know |
| 00:28.02 | Kemayo | Anyone want to recommend an IRC client for windows? |
| 00:28.11 | Shadowd | mIRC |
| 00:28.28 | Kemayo | mIRC feels so clunky... |
| 00:28.28 | Cairenn | Gaim ;) |
| 00:28.32 | Shadowd | But it also pops up a register or something window ( that i stoppedpaying attention too a long time ago ) |
| 00:29.06 | Kemayo | I don't remember being too impressed with gaim's IRC parts. They may have improved of late, I suppose. |
| 00:29.50 | Cairenn | both it and trillian work well enough for my needs and lets me keep all my IM/IRC stuff in one tidy package |
| 00:29.51 | Shadowd | telnet? |
| 00:30.16 | Kirov | trillian works well when it doesn't crash randomly |
| 00:30.23 | hyperChipmunk | puTTY + irssi |
| 00:30.29 | Shadowd | never had issues with it randomly crashing |
| 00:30.34 | Shadowd | But i don't use the IRC module |
| 00:30.38 | Kemayo | I don't have many IM needs. |
| 00:31.04 | Cairenn | Aim, IRC, MSN, IRC ... |
| 00:31.23 | Cairenn | err, ICQ |
| 00:31.43 | MentalPower | Kemayo: ChatZilla :) |
| 00:32.09 | Kemayo | MentalPower: I will give you credit for being HARDCORE. |
| 00:32.15 | MentalPower | why? |
| 00:32.21 | Kemayo | Mozilla. |
| 00:32.24 | MentalPower | its not that hard |
| 00:32.34 | MentalPower | actually its not hard at all |
| 00:33.05 | MentalPower | oh not the chatzilla from Mozilla, the extension to Firefox is the one I use |
| 00:33.14 | MentalPower | although, they're about the same |
| 00:33.18 | Kemayo | Ah, okay. Didn't realize that it had been ported to Firefox. |
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| 00:40.57 | Shadowd | w |
| 00:40.57 | Shadowd | bah! |
| 00:40.57 | Kemayo | Bah? |
| 00:42.18 | norganna | i use chatzilla |
| 00:42.21 | Shadowd | didn't mean to send "w" into IRC |
| 00:42.27 | norganna | it's quite nice actually |
| 00:43.26 | Kemayo | I'm now trying XChat. |
| 00:44.44 | Gryphen | hehe mIRC clunky |
| 00:44.50 | Gryphen | ook |
| 00:46.29 | Kemayo | Maybe the word I was looking for was "sleek and modern looking". |
| 00:46.38 | Kemayo | s/word/words |
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| 01:14.25 | AnduinLothar | are we winnign yet? |
| 01:15.09 | Cairenn | sure |
| 01:15.18 | AnduinLothar | that doesn't sound sure.. |
| 01:15.25 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:16.16 | AnduinLothar | what've u been up to cair? |
| 01:16.38 | Cairenn | 5'2", 110 lbs |
| 01:16.49 | AnduinLothar | what're you down to? |
| 01:17.12 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:17.21 | Cairenn | not a lot, yourself? |
| 01:17.47 | AnduinLothar | just back from a silly pair programming lab |
| 01:18.17 | AnduinLothar | tho yesterday I wasted a lot of time trying to figure out the max SendChatMessage bandwidth, with no success |
| 01:19.40 | norganna | 1.85m, 91kg |
| 01:19.46 | AnduinLothar | it seems you can send up to 1000 characters per second, but then if you continue that it logs you out after a few seconds... but i tried a variety of tests to try and figure out the limit, all had different results |
| 01:20.27 | AnduinLothar | and i have no idea how much I weight, but I've been hovering between 5' 11' and 6' for a few years |
| 01:21.24 | AnduinLothar | prolly between 150 and 200 lbs, but other than that i can't be very specific. |
| 01:21.59 | AnduinLothar | and i find keeping a scale to be detrimental to my mental health |
| 01:23.37 | AnduinLothar | it's probably some quadratic... |
| 01:23.39 | norganna | i'd be around 6'1 and 200lbs too, if my converter is working properly that is |
| 01:24.47 | norganna | anduin: us tallies are meant to weigh more... it's not a competition where < = better |
| 01:25.10 | AnduinLothar | us tallies? |
| 01:25.17 | clad|afk | Is there a monospaced font in the default UI? |
| 01:25.20 | norganna | 6' == tall |
| 01:25.38 | hyperChipmunk | no |
| 01:25.59 | norganna | although there are some guys at work here who are 6'6 and up |
| 01:26.00 | AnduinLothar | 6' is about avg for men in the us i think |
| 01:26.05 | norganna | but they are mutants |
| 01:26.43 | norganna | beh - australia is a multicultural hodgepodge |
| 01:27.02 | norganna | we got all sizes here... belive me 6' is on the tall side of the scale |
| 01:27.13 | AnduinLothar | mmm, not so sure, but w/e. I live in CA, which is only marginally in teh US if you ask californians |
| 01:27.35 | AnduinLothar | i'm tall by california standards |
| 01:27.46 | AnduinLothar | but not unusually tall |
| 01:28.18 | AnduinLothar | dunno, i spose there are stats somewher |
| 01:28.26 | AnduinLothar | but i don't really care |
| 01:28.46 | AnduinLothar | weight is more hotly contested, because it's easier to control |
| 01:29.11 | hyperChipmunk | ah |
| 01:29.18 | hyperChipmunk | mis |
| 01:29.22 | Kemayo | AnduinLothar is my body double, apparently. |
| 01:29.30 | AnduinLothar | but i also don't much care for that. I know I'm not underweight and I know I'm not overweight... |
| 01:29.32 | norganna | 190lb would be about the "correct" weight for 6'? |
| 01:29.48 | AnduinLothar | would have to look it up |
| 01:30.00 | norganna | i dunno, not used to pounds and feet |
| 01:30.18 | norganna | i'm just converting numbers from metric |
| 01:30.20 | AnduinLothar | I rollerblade a few miles 5 days a week and each 1-2 meals a day, so I know i'm not fat.. |
| 01:30.28 | AnduinLothar | eat* |
| 01:32.22 | AnduinLothar | http://www.halls.md/body-mass-index/mens.htm |
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| 01:38.33 | AnduinLothar | so 6' is prolly 80th percentile for white males |
| 01:41.12 | AnduinLothar | looks like 170 is my 'ideal weight' |
| 01:41.28 | AnduinLothar | whatever that means |
| 01:42.15 | ckknight | I eat like 5 meals a day |
| 01:42.19 | AnduinLothar | medical recomendation: 140 - 184 lb |
| 01:43.55 | AnduinLothar | anyway.. |
| 01:44.04 | AnduinLothar | silly cair... look what you did |
| 01:44.37 | cladhaire | ANyone available to raid with me on Draka? |
| 01:44.46 | cladhaire | you can log off afterwards |
| 01:44.49 | AnduinLothar | i'm already in a raid, i can invite you |
| 01:44.52 | cladhaire | i just need to create the raid, and have someone else in with me |
| 01:44.54 | cladhaire | cool, which server? |
| 01:45.05 | AnduinLothar | draka, lemme log on |
| 01:45.05 | cladhaire | alliance or horde? |
| 01:45.09 | AnduinLothar | alliance |
| 01:45.16 | cladhaire | thanks bro |
| 01:45.33 | AnduinLothar | ya i think i'm in with kremonte's offline body for the past 4 months |
| 01:45.36 | cladhaire | nice |
| 01:45.37 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:45.41 | cladhaire | perfecto |
| 01:45.50 | AnduinLothar | was useful when testing my raid mods |
| 01:45.59 | cladhaire | I agree |
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| 01:46.28 | AnduinLothar | name? |
| 01:46.28 | Iriel | Well Shadowd, we got an answer from the pirate, but it was the one I was hoping we wouldn't get |
| 01:46.37 | cladhaire | I need to relog quick, but I'm Cairthas |
| 01:47.05 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Logging in now.. Thanks again |
| 01:47.19 | AnduinLothar | ah, i got iriel's offline body too, it's a party |
| 01:47.56 | AnduinLothar | time to go play with ony, hope you don't need a live body |
| 01:48.06 | Iriel | Raid groupings are a lot more durable than I initially expected |
| 01:49.01 | AnduinLothar | we'll just have the perpetual draka raid |
| 01:49.11 | cladhaire | Its perfect =) |
| 01:49.13 | AnduinLothar | eventually we'll have everyone in it |
| 01:49.22 | norganna | if i log in can i get invite too? |
| 01:49.42 | cladhaire | absolutely =) |
| 01:49.42 | AnduinLothar | cald's your man |
| 01:49.42 | AnduinLothar | clad* |
| 01:49.55 | AnduinLothar | i'm off to kil'jaeden to stomp a purple dinosaur |
| 01:50.50 | norganna | invite anchor :) |
| 01:51.08 | AnduinLothar | i hate that these task briefing's take up a slot each |
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| 01:51.32 | cladhaire | login is Cairthas |
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| 01:54.45 | Miravlix | Ugh, forgot to install active perl. |
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| 02:06.07 | Kirov | heh |
| 02:06.24 | Kirov | I guess I have to make my auto-Identify stuff happen before I try to join now. =) |
| 02:07.41 | Kirov | Cairenn - are the questions we've added to the thread in the topic the kind of stuff you're looking for? Or something less "can we have this feature ... please" |
| 02:07.53 | Cairenn | those are fine |
| 02:08.08 | Kaelten | hows it going guys? |
| 02:08.22 | Cairenn | I'm still not confirmed on whether I'm going for sure or not yet ... =/ |
| 02:08.28 | Cairenn | but sure hoping to |
| 02:09.37 | Kirov | I'll be there, heh |
| 02:09.44 | Cairenn | yeah? |
| 02:09.59 | Kirov | Yeah, technically for "work" |
| 02:10.13 | Kirov | But that just means I'm required to wear the company t-shirt |
| 02:10.21 | Cairenn | cool |
| 02:10.23 | Kirov | We're not showing this year |
| 02:10.26 | Cairenn | company? |
| 02:10.30 | norganna | i wish i could swing the "work" angle |
| 02:10.34 | norganna | :( |
| 02:10.40 | Cairenn | as in "what is your ..." |
| 02:10.53 | Kirov | http://www.secretlevel.com/ |
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| 02:11.43 | Cairenn | Kirov: cool |
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| 02:12.32 | Tem|IceCream | test |
| 02:12.33 | Tem|IceCream | yay |
| 02:12.58 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:13.32 | Kirov | yay for ice cream or yay for -R |
| 02:13.39 | Cairenn | yes |
| 02:13.44 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 02:13.56 | Cairenn | ice cream sounds like a mighty fine idea |
| 02:14.04 | Cairenn | and I've got some fresh maple syrup even ... |
| 02:14.09 | Kirov | ooo |
| 02:14.23 | Cairenn | french vanilla ice cream and maple syrup ... mmmmmmm |
| 02:15.06 | AnduinLothar | i WAS going to go.. |
| 02:15.13 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: :( |
| 02:15.21 | Codayus | now I'm hungry. |
| 02:15.21 | Cairenn | I know ... that sucks so much :( |
| 02:16.00 | AnduinLothar | oh well, I'm told the gaming dev market is oversaturated, maybe I should look for better pay |
| 02:17.18 | Kirov | hmm |
| 02:17.26 | Iriel | Thats not necessarily a problem if you're good and enthusiastic |
| 02:17.38 | Codayus | hmm? what happened, Anduin? |
| 02:17.47 | Kirov | anyone know if EnableAddon() gets written to the HD, or cached till /reload |
| 02:19.01 | AnduinLothar | what happened? I can't swing the 'work' aspect. |
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| 02:19.18 | AnduinLothar | cached kirov |
| 02:19.47 | Codayus | :-( |
| 02:20.09 | norganna | heheh - live writing to HD is big NO-NO... |
| 02:20.28 | norganna | otherwise those naughty hackers will getcha. |
| 02:20.44 | norganna | hey wait... i'm a naughty hacker |
| 02:20.45 | Cairenn | oh noes ... you said hack! ban! |
| 02:20.59 | Shadowd | Iriel: Yeah I saw, too bad |
| 02:21.00 | Codayus | hack? That's *never* good! |
| 02:21.05 | Shadowd | ( MC is still boring as hell btw ) |
| 02:21.33 | AnduinLothar | ya, I'm a hacker. apparently managerial people don't like hackers... |
| 02:21.35 | norganna | meh - i just have an insatiable curiosity about things |
| 02:22.02 | Shadowd | You could scan your debuffs though since i'm pretty sure all NPC mind controls share the same description text a little bit at least. |
| 02:22.06 | Codayus | so you got fired? |
| 02:22.10 | AnduinLothar | i think they need to be re-educated |
| 02:22.24 | AnduinLothar | ya, they fired me for running irc and a port tunneler |
| 02:22.25 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: s'okay, seems managerial people don't like a lot of things these days |
| 02:22.32 | Codayus | wtf... |
| 02:22.36 | Codayus | bogus |
| 02:23.50 | Wobin_ | woot |
| 02:23.52 | AnduinLothar | ya, it was pretty bogus... I can understand that being frowned upon, it was the no warning thing that kinda sucked |
| 02:23.53 | norganna | ssh FTW! |
| 02:23.54 | Wobin_ | My first Ony raid =) |
| 02:24.07 | Shadowd | have fun |
| 02:24.12 | Wobin_ | Oh I did =) |
| 02:24.18 | Wobin_ | We downed her on the second try |
| 02:24.22 | Codayus | I assume it was clearly against some sort of policy then? |
| 02:24.31 | AnduinLothar | not very clear if you ask me |
| 02:24.39 | Codayus | Hmm, not good. |
| 02:24.48 | AnduinLothar | there was zero documentation about it |
| 02:24.50 | Wobin_ | Although AL, you were technically under the probationary period |
| 02:24.55 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 02:24.57 | norganna | i am irc + socks + ssh -D 1080 <myserver> |
| 02:24.58 | Codayus | One thing if it's clearly against the rules, you take a chance, and it doesn't work out. |
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| 02:25.47 | Codayus | Quite another if you get to play "guess what our network policies are"... |
| 02:26.37 | Miravlix | Is the next generation of Windows also going to require us to reinstall every other month? |
| 02:26.43 | AnduinLothar | well, he had verbally told us not to install programs without permission. So i ran them from my ipod.. |
| 02:26.50 | Wobin_ | Codayus: I'm fairly sure that in the starting contract, it states that if the employee is within a certain probationary period, they can be asked to leave without any warnings. |
| 02:26.58 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 02:27.02 | Wobin_ | It's a fairly common thing |
| 02:27.13 | Codayus | Wobin_: Oh yeah. And many states have at will employment anyhow. |
| 02:27.27 | AnduinLothar | right, thus why I didn't bother fighting it |
| 02:27.45 | AnduinLothar | it was within their right, it just wasn't very curtious or nice |
| 02:27.47 | Codayus | But just because they CAN doesn't mean they SHOULD |
| 02:28.48 | AnduinLothar | besides... having a crew full of people who are paid to break a game, but not allowed to even attempt to break or bypass anything else... seems kinda liek asking for trouble |
| 02:29.06 | norganna | hahah |
| 02:29.11 | norganna | that's awesome |
| 02:29.43 | norganna | you'd kinda think they'd want to reward you more than anything else |
| 02:30.07 | AnduinLothar | i know huh, thanks for your ingenuity in finding a hole in our security, we fixed it, have a cookie |
| 02:30.09 | norganna | "You managed to get around our systems, Here, have a promotion" |
| 02:30.38 | Wobin_ | It's more "You found a way into the system! Byebye!" <aside> Fix it, damnit! |
| 02:30.51 | AnduinLothar | it's not that hard, just dissable outgoing ssh all together. it's not like they need it on tester boxes |
| 02:31.05 | Kirov | finding the hole and reporting it vs. finding the hole and using it for a while are very different things. |
| 02:31.06 | norganna | ssh over port 80 |
| 02:31.19 | norganna | they gotta have some port open |
| 02:31.20 | AnduinLothar | right, they'd have to dissable ssh completely |
| 02:31.30 | AnduinLothar | 22 was blocked |
| 02:31.38 | AnduinLothar | i used 6667 |
| 02:31.38 | norganna | they'd have to do packet inspection |
| 02:31.41 | Codayus | why report it? <shrug> If it wasn't against a clear policy... |
| 02:31.49 | AnduinLothar | nah, they can unistall it |
| 02:32.34 | AnduinLothar | it would be complicated to run ssh without installing it.. tho I spose i coudl install it on my ipod with a unix system |
| 02:32.53 | AnduinLothar | or just boot from my ipod... |
| 02:33.12 | Codayus | use a java implementation? |
| 02:33.14 | norganna | just put putty on your ipod |
| 02:33.20 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 02:33.37 | AnduinLothar | i was surprised there was no packet sniffing frankly |
| 02:33.45 | AnduinLothar | even my school uses packetblocking |
| 02:34.08 | AnduinLothar | to block file sharing on campus |
| 02:34.28 | cladhaire | I have a frame that I can't hide |
| 02:34.28 | cladhaire | =( |
| 02:34.30 | norganna | heheh - like that stops anything |
| 02:34.49 | AnduinLothar | no, but if you make things hard enough the number of people trying goes down |
| 02:35.09 | norganna | you show me a system that can't be gotten around, i'll show you how to get around it |
| 02:35.22 | Codayus | or you could just have a clear rule and expect people to follow it.... |
| 02:35.29 | AnduinLothar | that works too |
| 02:35.48 | Codayus | especially at a corproation...that seems logical. <shrug> Guess I'm undethinking it. :-) |
| 02:35.54 | norganna | trust your employees???? crazy! |
| 02:35.55 | AnduinLothar | but the only thing i found documented was that it was forbidden to copy IP to removable drives.. |
| 02:36.18 | AnduinLothar | and that's easier to do that tunneling.. |
| 02:37.18 | AnduinLothar | w/e not really worth discussing. I'm done now |
| 02:37.25 | Codayus | hmph |
| 02:37.34 | AnduinLothar | what do you mean you can't hide it clad? |
| 02:38.54 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: It was a weird bug, but its resolved.. logic error |
| 02:43.37 | Miravlix | wtb WoW cd |
| 02:43.44 | AnduinLothar | why |
| 02:44.25 | Miravlix | Because it's over a year ago I used mine on EU launch day |
| 02:44.30 | Miravlix | I've no clue where it is |
| 02:44.41 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 02:47.00 | AnduinLothar | so... anyone wanna do some extensive tests to figure out SendChatMessage bandwidth? |
| 02:48.26 | AnduinLothar | just make a macro and use something like: /z Chronos.scheduleRepeating("msgs", 1, function() for i=1, 50 do SendChatMessage(SkyChannelManager.charactersSent, "WHISPER", nil, "Lotharschick") end end) |
| 02:48.37 | AnduinLothar | and mess with the numbers |
| 02:48.54 | AnduinLothar | and change "Lotharschick" to UnitName("player") |
| 02:49.53 | AnduinLothar | oh, i spose charactersSent isn't live in sky yet |
| 02:49.59 | AnduinLothar | grr |
| 02:50.01 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
| 02:52.49 | Miravlix | Ugh I need to pirate more software, I've to many cd's can't find the wow cd |
| 02:53.04 | AnduinLothar | that's the spirit |
| 02:53.13 | AnduinLothar | or just make a disk image |
| 02:57.08 | Iriel | I always use my open beta installer |
| 03:03.04 | AnduinLothar | i've never had to reinstall |
| 03:03.17 | AnduinLothar | i just make copies of my installation folder.. |
| 03:03.25 | Miravlix | Neither have I, until now |
| 03:03.31 | AnduinLothar | which was isntalled using the beta isntaller |
| 03:04.01 | Iriel | Ive got it installed in many places |
| 03:04.09 | AnduinLothar | :) i just beat a pally in my guild who has liek 2x the purple i do |
| 03:04.15 | Iriel | 4 desktops, 3 laptops |
| 03:05.27 | AnduinLothar | i was using Halberd of smiting and he was using QS and SkullFlame Shield |
| 03:05.57 | AnduinLothar | i won at the end with 200 hp when my decapitate proc'd |
| 03:05.59 | cladhaire | Anyone that can sign on Draka Horde and make a raid with me? I need a mob that will poison me.. and there's on in the noob zone =) |
| 03:06.00 | Miravlix | You can just copy it over |
| 03:06.01 | norganna | the only time i needed my orig cds was when i wanted to try out an unofficial server and needed 1.4 or something |
| 03:06.08 | Miravlix | WoW doesn't really install anything |
| 03:06.28 | Miravlix | But since I have a wiped machine I might as well redo it propperly |
| 03:10.06 | norganna | i wanted to do coding on the train, and theres no internet, so i dl'd a unofficial server and got it all working, only to find it didnt have ah support / gatherable herbs etc... |
| 03:11.17 | norganna | so now i just watch movies on the train |
| 03:11.50 | Miravlix | And I am going to copy WoW over after I'm done, hell if I'm downloading all those patches. :) |
| 03:12.08 | Kaelten | how do you get a tooltip to actually return info now? |
| 03:12.20 | Miravlix | SetOwner |
| 03:12.21 | norganna | gotta set it's owner |
| 03:12.27 | Kaelten | ah |
| 03:12.28 | Kaelten | kk |
| 03:12.32 | Miravlix | Might wanna read the Wiki, the issue is a bit complicated |
| 03:12.43 | Miravlix | Doing setowner is an super expensive function call |
| 03:12.54 | Miravlix | You don't want to do SetOwner, SetX |
| 03:13.06 | Miravlix | If you call the function more than once pr. hour |
| 03:14.43 | norganna | hmmm |
| 03:14.50 | Kaelten | hmm |
| 03:14.54 | Kaelten | probably just going to set it once |
| 03:15.00 | norganna | it occurs to me that blizzard have left themselves open a little |
| 03:15.14 | Miravlix | Then you run into the problem of the tooltip getting deinitialized and not working |
| 03:15.40 | norganna | they are relying on this "signed code" feature to allow them to determine whether the code is allowed to do stuff |
| 03:16.00 | Iriel | Indeed |
| 03:16.06 | norganna | but it surely can't be that hard to write a code signer. |
| 03:16.07 | Tain | I hadn't seen any word of this until now. Yet another attempt at an addon autoupdater. http://wowus.m6.net/ |
| 03:16.10 | Iriel | It's very nicely implemented too |
| 03:16.20 | Miravlix | Yes, and we have already found a few bugs that allow us to run as signed |
| 03:16.30 | norganna | really??? |
| 03:16.33 | Iriel | None that are still there |
| 03:16.39 | norganna | that surprises me |
| 03:16.40 | Iriel | There was _one_ such bug |
| 03:16.49 | Iriel | And it wasn't so much a bug as an oversight |
| 03:17.02 | norganna | k |
| 03:17.15 | norganna | so fixed it pdq |
| 03:17.24 | Iriel | It was a side-effect of the virtual frame load ordering, and load on demand |
| 03:17.40 | Iriel | We abused it all pretty heavily on test before 1.10 launched |
| 03:17.44 | norganna | i'm surprised anyone found it |
| 03:17.52 | Iriel | I spent a lot of time trying to break it |
| 03:17.53 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 03:17.57 | norganna | heheh |
| 03:18.28 | norganna | but still, i don't think it'd be that hard to produce a signature for any arbitrary piece of code. |
| 03:18.52 | Iriel | I dunno, maybe, it'd be easier to hack your client and convince it something unsigned was signed |
| 03:18.57 | Iriel | but I assume you mean for 'general use' |
| 03:19.04 | norganna | i'm guessing blizzard are betting that nobody will think it would be worth doing |
| 03:19.04 | Iriel | In which case I imagine it's as secure as something like PGP |
| 03:19.14 | Iriel | In which case, it'll be harder than you think |
| 03:19.20 | Iriel | and definitely not worth it |
| 03:20.43 | Kirov | Especially considering they can change it every patch if they so please. |
| 03:20.45 | norganna | brute force ftw! |
| 03:20.46 | Miravlix | Current investigation suggest a Public/Private Key system with signing |
| 03:22.04 | Miravlix | going to be difficult breaking it in the system itself. The weak link depends on the server <-> client handling of it |
| 03:22.21 | Iriel | I dont think there IS any server <-> client handling |
| 03:22.32 | Iriel | The client just has the public key things were signed with |
| 03:22.40 | Iriel | it checksums the files and verifies the signature |
| 03:22.54 | norganna | hmmm |
| 03:23.18 | Miravlix | The code is inside wow.exe, so why verify it? |
| 03:23.19 | norganna | Blizzard_CraftUI.pub and Blizzard_AuctionUI.pub are the same... |
| 03:23.27 | Miravlix | WoW.exe should be pretty well tamper proff |
| 03:23.37 | Iriel | Miravlix : The code is in the .mpq's |
| 03:23.41 | Iriel | Miravlix : And think about MovePad |
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| 03:25.40 | Iriel | My guess is they support multiple public keys with some kind of approval/revocation scheme |
| 03:26.09 | Iriel | All of blizzard's code likely uses the same public key, dont know about slouken's own |
| 03:28.23 | Kirov | I'd assume the .pub files are in some way linked to the code that exists, and any change to the code would cause it to be invalidated. |
| 03:28.39 | Iriel | My guess is the .pub file is the public key |
| 03:28.43 | Miravlix | The pub file is the public key |
| 03:28.48 | norganna | i'd say it appears to be the public key |
| 03:28.57 | Miravlix | Somewhere else is a signature that is verified with the public key against the code |
| 03:29.00 | norganna | which verifies the signatures |
| 03:29.10 | Kirov | well |
| 03:29.15 | Kirov | the .SIG file |
| 03:29.16 | norganna | which seems pretty silly |
| 03:29.37 | norganna | replace the public key, put in your own sigs |
| 03:29.38 | Miravlix | Thats how Prvate/Public signing works |
| 03:29.43 | Iriel | Well no |
| 03:29.51 | Iriel | the game's going to verify that the public key is one it knows |
| 03:30.01 | norganna | lol - how? |
| 03:30.03 | Iriel | The exe gets to pick which keys it trusts |
| 03:30.09 | norganna | embedded in the .exe? |
| 03:30.12 | Iriel | yes |
| 03:30.21 | Iriel | the exe is 'golden' remember |
| 03:30.34 | Iriel | because you can just as easily modify THAT to circumvent the whole signing engine |
| 03:30.36 | Miravlix | It downloads a signature from the server or it's simply inside the exe |
| 03:30.44 | Iriel | I expect it's simply inside the exe |
| 03:30.47 | Iriel | for the reason stated above |
| 03:31.18 | norganna | and if you're gonna bother hacking the exe, you might as well just twiddle the bit in memory |
| 03:31.18 | Miravlix | Might be in wdb for all we know, verified every time it talks with the server |
| 03:31.29 | Iriel | It could be |
| 03:31.36 | Iriel | but I suspect that it's not |
| 03:31.49 | Iriel | Afterall the server wont let an out of date exe talk to it anyway |
| 03:31.53 | Iriel | there's no need to make it that complex |
| 03:31.55 | Iriel | at least, not yet |
| 03:32.27 | Miravlix | Now a month of defraging and I have a computer again. |
| 03:33.00 | Kirov | There's also a question of how much Warden does |
| 03:33.49 | Kirov | It may attempt to validated the exe from time to time |
| 03:34.14 | norganna | i heard it got a lot of ISXWOW people, so they must have recently upgraded it's functionality |
| 03:35.06 | norganna | does anyone know if wowglider is still going? |
| 03:35.27 | Cairenn | yeah, believe it is |
| 03:35.30 | Shadowd | Never really looked into what the status on WoWglider was, but think so |
| 03:35.48 | norganna | looks like it |
| 03:36.03 | Kirov | WoWglider has a fully functional demo now |
| 03:36.11 | norganna | i wrote something very much like it once upon a time |
| 03:36.27 | norganna | (just for research purposes ofc) |
| 03:36.28 | Shadowd | So instead of having to buy it to get banned, you can use the free trial? |
| 03:36.34 | Crispix_ | :(( |
| 03:36.51 | Crispix_ | I bought an awesome flight yoke and throttle tongiht.. and I can't use em :( |
| 03:37.14 | norganna | it always occured to me that all you really need to do to get inside wow is to obtain the address of the lua pointer... |
| 03:37.53 | Shadowd | Couldn't you not do a whole lot if you did that? |
| 03:37.55 | norganna | no dlls, injection, hiding etc |
| 03:38.18 | norganna | you could do heaps of stuff, working from the c-side of lua |
| 03:38.26 | Shadowd | ah |
| 03:38.30 | Iriel | norganna : You'd still need a DLL or injection |
| 03:38.35 | norganna | nup |
| 03:38.46 | Iriel | norganna : Though all you'd have to inject would be sufficient API's to do harm |
| 03:39.12 | norganna | all i need is the lua handle and pass it to my own lua library routines |
| 03:39.18 | Iriel | How? |
| 03:39.25 | Iriel | If you're not using a DLL or injection? |
| 03:39.43 | Iriel | You still can't GET to it without altering something about the exe or its environment |
| 03:40.08 | norganna | it's just a memory read |
| 03:40.37 | norganna | as long as you unlock the memory before a write, you can write too |
| 03:40.50 | Iriel | What is doing this reading and writing? |
| 03:40.57 | norganna | an app |
| 03:41.10 | Iriel | So essentially runtime injection |
| 03:41.20 | norganna | no injection |
| 03:41.22 | Iriel | at that point, again, why bother with lua |
| 03:41.38 | norganna | injecting assumes that i am placing code into wow |
| 03:42.16 | Iriel | Yes, but I dont take it to assume that it's done before wow is running |
| 03:42.16 | norganna | but with lua, wow already has code in it that does what i want it to (ie, let me define my own functions as long as i know the lua handle) |
| 03:42.48 | AnduinLothar | ouch... 5k damage in 3 consecutive fire blows with 160fr.. |
| 03:43.00 | Iriel | I fail to see how lua gives you the ability to do anything you couldn't do with C, given you'd be accessing it at the C level anyway |
| 03:43.24 | kremonte | is it still possible to spirit res at a healer 1 zone over? |
| 03:43.35 | Shadowd | dont think so |
| 03:43.37 | kremonte | cause my corpse bugged and i'm in SG instead of burning steppes :/ |
| 03:43.46 | norganna | lua lets me define a function mapped to a lua variable |
| 03:44.00 | Miravlix | Hmm, 1.10.1 breaks my camping macro |
| 03:44.10 | kremonte | Miravlix: hm? |
| 03:44.36 | Shadowd | kremonte: if i remember right trying to res at a spirit healer in a different zone then you died in teleports you back to the first one, not 100% sure though |
| 03:44.39 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.56 | Miravlix | I don't get big red text saying No Unit Found |
| 03:45.56 | Iriel | norganna : So it has potential initial benefits from ease of use. But you could also just subvert the chat handling code and do the same sorts of tricks there |
| 03:46.03 | Miravlix | TargetByName("Boahn") should target Biletoad |
| 03:46.05 | Iriel | Or the console hander |
| 03:46.12 | norganna | i have an app, i do: lua_register(<LUAHANDLE>, "myfunction", my_c_function); |
| 03:46.24 | Miravlix | But TargetByName("Trigore the Lasher") should return Unknown Unit as a UI error message |
| 03:46.39 | Iriel | Assuming you can find lua_register in the wow exe as well, but that shouldn't be too hard |
| 03:46.48 | Iriel | Miravlix : Why, that's not a unit |
| 03:46.55 | Iriel | Miravlix : It should just not target anything |
| 03:47.14 | norganna | i have no ambition to do so... it just seemed easy. |
| 03:47.41 | Miravlix | Well /script TargetByName("Trigore etc") returns Unknown Unit as an ui error |
| 03:47.41 | MentalPower | kremonte: it is |
| 03:47.50 | MentalPower | you can spirit rez at any GY |
| 03:47.51 | norganna | but i guess by the time you get to that point, you've already stepped over the line, so why not do more? |
| 03:47.55 | kremonte | sweet |
| 03:47.56 | Miravlix | Same with /target Trigore |
| 03:48.01 | kremonte | thanks ye |
| 03:48.05 | Miravlix | So I would think my macro should do it too |
| 03:48.26 | kremonte | bah brought me to the last gy |
| 03:49.05 | Iriel | Oh, so it does |
| 03:49.26 | Miravlix | Aah, I broke my UI hehe |
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| 03:49.38 | Miravlix | Coded some stuff when EU went for maintenance |
| 03:49.44 | norganna | hey lego |
| 03:50.18 | Miravlix | And it's my first login and I broke it so action buttons didn't work. :) |
| 03:51.11 | Legorol | evening.. |
| 03:51.26 | Legorol | hey Miravlix, i was just looking for you! |
| 03:51.41 | Legorol | you said at some point you made a slipstream install CD for WinXP with SP2 |
| 03:51.41 | norganna | Iriel hates me cause i'm a hacker |
| 03:51.45 | Legorol | O.o |
| 03:51.54 | Legorol | Iriel hates you? I doubt Iriel hates anyone.. |
| 03:51.57 | norganna | :D |
| 03:52.01 | norganna | ok, maybe not |
| 03:52.06 | Legorol | anyways |
| 03:52.18 | Miravlix | I'm not here! |
| 03:52.28 | Legorol | Miravlix, i have gotten as far as integrating SP2 into the installation, but how did you make a bootable CD out of the result? |
| 03:52.33 | Legorol | oh you are not here |
| 03:52.34 | Kirov | I'm sure Iriel must hate _someone_ |
| 03:52.41 | kremonte | iriel can't hate |
| 03:52.44 | kremonte | it's not programmed into him |
| 03:52.44 | Kirov | If not, it'll be my personal goal to become that person. |
| 03:53.18 | Legorol | i think you will find that everyone else will hate you *before* Iriel does |
| 03:53.25 | Miravlix | I just used my Windows XP Profesional SP2 CD to install on this computer |
| 03:53.45 | Miravlix | But I haven't done this trick in 2 years and all my URL's is on the crashed linux disk |
| 03:53.49 | Tain | Yeah some of us live much closer to the bitter, angry side of the tracks. |
| 03:54.04 | Miravlix | Some guy is making the software to make boot cd's out of updated CD's |
| 03:54.12 | Legorol | ah |
| 03:54.13 | Miravlix | Whats the hell is it called |
| 03:54.16 | Miravlix | Wipelash |
| 03:54.19 | Miravlix | Wuplash |
| 03:54.20 | Legorol | never mind the name, i can google |
| 03:54.26 | Miravlix | Don't remember it |
| 03:54.27 | Legorol | i didn't realise you need 3rd party tools |
| 03:54.34 | Legorol | i thought there is an "official" Microsoft way |
| 03:54.40 | Legorol | that explains why i couldn't find anything on MS's site |
| 03:54.58 | Miravlix | It's not bootstrap |
| 03:55.16 | Miravlix | Argh it's so long ago, but I think it's called W<somthing> |
| 03:55.24 | Legorol | oki thanks |
| 03:55.33 | Legorol | i'm a bit disappointed then |
| 03:55.39 | kremonte | see! |
| 03:55.43 | kremonte | iriel doesn't know how to hate |
| 03:55.45 | Miravlix | ? |
| 03:55.53 | Legorol | i thought that MS supported a scenario with SP2 integrated and making a bootable CD out of it |
| 03:55.56 | Legorol | but apparently not |
| 03:56.12 | Miravlix | SLIPSTREAM |
| 03:56.12 | Iriel | I just disagreed with you about wow's lua environment making it easier to hack 8-) |
| 03:56.16 | Miravlix | Thats what it's called |
| 03:56.19 | Miravlix | Slipstreaming |
| 03:56.23 | Legorol | slipstream is the name of the process, yes |
| 03:56.34 | Legorol | that's the action of integrating SP2 into the base setup package |
| 03:56.46 | norganna | actually - lego's a lua expert |
| 03:56.49 | Legorol | but that's just the first step, i still need to make a bootable CD out of the result |
| 03:56.53 | Legorol | norganna: what? |
| 03:56.58 | Legorol | i'm a total n00b compared to some people here |
| 03:57.42 | norganna | lego: if i have wow's lua handle, can i call something like: lua_register(L, "myFunction", my_c_function); from my app to inject my function into wow's lua space? |
| 03:58.05 | Legorol | you better ask Iriel, he knows much more about the C side of things :_) |
| 03:58.10 | Iriel | my_c_function would already have to be in wow's address space |
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| 03:58.27 | Miravlix | http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp |
| 03:58.28 | Iriel | but absolutely once it was there you could make it visible to lua |
| 03:58.38 | Iriel | you'd need to compile it with wow's lua implementation though |
| 03:58.45 | Iriel | things have been modified from the standard package |
| 03:58.45 | Legorol | hm, injecting your function into WoW space will be tricky.. |
| 03:58.50 | Legorol | watch out for Warden on the way ;-) |
| 03:58.52 | Iriel | That was sort of my point |
| 03:59.01 | Iriel | The "hard part" is getting into wow's address space |
| 03:59.09 | Iriel | once you're there, why bother with lua! |
| 03:59.14 | Legorol | also, we don't know enough about slouken's mods to the lua structures |
| 03:59.33 | Iriel | though I CAN see a perverse pleasure in making an all-lua API to a bunch of nasty hacking calls |
| 03:59.38 | Legorol | Miravlix: thanks for the link |
| 03:59.44 | Legorol | that's almost workable... but needs Nero 6 :( |
| 03:59.59 | Miravlix | Or another burner I think |
| 04:00.03 | Legorol | ok never mind, as long as i know i have to look for 3rd party solution, i can google it |
| 04:00.18 | Legorol | the only burner i have is Nero Express which won't let me make a bootable image out of a custom .img file, |
| 04:00.23 | Legorol | only out of a bootable floppy |
| 04:00.41 | Miravlix | You can download the full Nero as a trial |
| 04:00.51 | Legorol | that'd work i guess |
| 04:00.59 | norganna | hmmm - ok... i was thinking that you could leave the functions in your app... but i'm not really what you'd call an assembly hacker |
| 04:01.16 | Miravlix | I'm afraid I now next to nothing of Windows software, so maybe someone knows a good burner |
| 04:01.34 | Iriel | Well, no, that wouldn't work, different processes have different address spaces |
| 04:01.38 | Iriel | Protected execution and all that |
| 04:01.40 | Legorol | good burners don't tend to come free |
| 04:01.44 | Iriel | Miravlix : Sadly I use nero |
| 04:01.56 | Iriel | So I dont have any other suggestions |
| 04:01.56 | Legorol | I like Nero very much and it's very good |
| 04:01.59 | norganna | sooooooo |
| 04:02.00 | Legorol | i just don't have it :-) |
| 04:02.02 | Tain | I bought Nero and never regret it for a second. |
| 04:02.16 | Legorol | yah maybe i should buy it too |
| 04:02.40 | norganna | could you define a variable in an addon (a string) with bytecode in it, that you could point to? |
| 04:02.43 | Iriel | Likewise, I bought it a while back for putting video onto DVD from my camcorder |
| 04:02.44 | Tain | It's one of the few things I feel is worth buying for software. |
| 04:02.54 | Iriel | norganna : Not without altering wow's memory structure |
| 04:02.57 | Legorol | weee, found a solution! |
| 04:02.59 | Legorol | http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/wxp/ |
| 04:03.05 | Legorol | using free software only |
| 04:03.19 | Legorol | you Linux guys can rejoice: it seems to be using mkisofs and cdrecord running under Cygwin |
| 04:03.41 | norganna | oh dear |
| 04:03.56 | norganna | the *only* think i like about windows is that nero runs on it :P |
| 04:04.05 | norganna | *thing |
| 04:04.13 | Tain | That also reminds me, I don't have Exceed anymore, I'm going to have to look at Cygwin I think to run remote X. |
| 04:04.16 | Miravlix | Ugh, need to reboot, so I can commit the CastOptions fix |
| 04:04.22 | zespri_work | I bought about 5 cd burners in my life and each came with a free nero |
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| 04:04.32 | Legorol | Tain: i do that regularly, if you need any help setting it up shout |
| 04:04.48 | Legorol | that's how i run unix apps when i absolutely must |
| 04:04.54 | Tain | I have used Exceed forever because I was getting it from work. |
| 04:05.07 | zespri_work | Legorol, I skipped the beggining, what are you trying to acchieve? |
| 04:05.10 | Legorol | i actually found the Cygwin one better |
| 04:05.14 | zespri_work | *missed |
| 04:05.34 | norganna | ok, while we're talking about cd-burners... does anyone know of a way to stop following someone fron in a script? |
| 04:05.37 | kremonte | this is fun |
| 04:05.38 | Legorol | zespri: merge windows xp service pack 2 into the base windows xp setup files, and createa bootable CD out of the result |
| 04:05.39 | kremonte | <_< |
| 04:05.40 | Tain | But I figure now that I don't work there anymore I should probably look at doing something else instead since I'll never get updates. |
| 04:05.42 | kremonte | i've ran from BB |
| 04:05.45 | kremonte | to SG so far |
| 04:05.48 | kremonte | 25 rogue ;( |
| 04:05.52 | Legorol | so uhm.. basically making a an XP setup CD with SP2 already integrated |
| 04:06.03 | Kaelten | anyone have any idea why GameTooltip:SetHyperlink(x) could take 2.5 seconds to run? |
| 04:06.04 | zespri_work | um. But that's exactly what the link you just posted does! One to one |
| 04:06.06 | Legorol | the hard part is making it bootable like a normal XP install CD |
| 04:06.11 | Legorol | zespri: yeah |
| 04:06.16 | Legorol | that's why i said weee, found solution! |
| 04:06.18 | zespri_work | I've done that many times |
| 04:06.29 | Legorol | you did? |
| 04:06.32 | Iriel | Kaelten : Assuming it's not hooked? No idea |
| 04:06.46 | zespri_work | yes, by measn of the software on that page |
| 04:06.46 | Legorol | well until now i couldn't figure out how to make it properly boot into the Setup program |
| 04:06.54 | Legorol | ah right, so you knew about that page |
| 04:06.57 | Legorol | i just found it now |
| 04:07.00 | Iriel | norganna : No, I think we determined it can't be done without a HW event |
| 04:07.10 | Kaelten | Iriel, its weird, earlier in the list it doesn't have an issue on that one it takes for ever |
| 04:07.13 | zespri_work | been using it for several years now =) |
| 04:07.14 | Kaelten | I can't figure out why. |
| 04:08.07 | norganna | i'm trying to multi-box at the moment, and want to enable and disable following from the primary computer |
| 04:08.20 | Legorol | *khm* Enter key |
| 04:08.24 | Legorol | if they havne't fixed it in 1.10 |
| 04:08.30 | Legorol | i mean 1.10.1 |
| 04:08.37 | Iriel | Kaelten : Anything odd about the choice of hyperlink? |
| 04:08.54 | Kaelten | nope |
| 04:09.12 | Legorol | holy mackerel |
| 04:09.19 | Kaelten | item:7282:0:0:0 |
| 04:09.33 | Legorol | i think norganna just gave me an idea on how to make a buff bot that follows you around and casts spells for you |
| 04:09.39 | Legorol | without you having to interact with it |
| 04:09.52 | norganna | i do have practically that |
| 04:09.57 | Iriel | foot pedal bound to a key? |
| 04:09.59 | norganna | cept it's a whole party |
| 04:10.05 | Legorol | Iriel: lol |
| 04:10.05 | norganna | 5 computers |
| 04:10.09 | Legorol | whoaaa |
| 04:10.19 | Legorol | no the part that's tricky is how to do it strictly within Lua |
| 04:10.22 | Legorol | without using a G15 |
| 04:10.25 | Legorol | or similar solutions |
| 04:10.29 | norganna | heheh - yeah |
| 04:10.38 | Tem | did 1.10.1 go out in the EU today? |
| 04:10.42 | Tem | or was that last week? |
| 04:10.46 | Legorol | this week, yes |
| 04:10.49 | Legorol | today in fact i think |
| 04:10.55 | Tem | I hate minipatches |
| 04:10.56 | Legorol | speaking of which i am yet to login to get it :D |
| 04:11.01 | Legorol | i hate this one... :( |
| 04:11.05 | Legorol | with a vengeance! |
| 04:11.12 | Legorol | i found such a nice solution to TB and they had to break it |
| 04:11.23 | Tem | I hate getting bug reports that say the minipatch broke my addon |
| 04:11.40 | Kaelten | tem: does AceGUI mess with SetHyperlink to your knowledge? |
| 04:11.44 | Legorol | has anyone else noticed the new MOVEORSTEER binding? |
| 04:11.50 | Tem | Kaelten: it shouldn't |
| 04:11.54 | Legorol | maybe it's usable for something.. |
| 04:11.58 | norganna | hmmm |
| 04:12.07 | norganna | a binding eh? |
| 04:12.15 | zespri_work | G15 requires key preses anyway, how it can help here? |
| 04:12.17 | Kaelten | Tem: for some reason my SetHyperlinks near the bottom of KCI's list are taking forever |
| 04:12.21 | zespri_work | if talk fully automated |
| 04:12.26 | Cairenn | Legorol: this week in EU, last week in US |
| 04:12.26 | Legorol | zespri: G15 can repeat presses for you |
| 04:12.33 | Legorol | Cairenn: yes |
| 04:12.35 | norganna | g15 supports repeating macros |
| 04:12.39 | Legorol | ehm.. no |
| 04:12.44 | Legorol | US had it two weeks ago i beleive |
| 04:12.50 | Legorol | ehm.. |
| 04:12.51 | Legorol | ? |
| 04:12.53 | Legorol | ok i am confused |
| 04:12.56 | zespri_work | Legorol, but you have to press a key for it to repeat it won;t repeat on timer or anything |
| 04:12.59 | zespri_work | or will it? |
| 04:13.00 | Cairenn | either way |
| 04:13.04 | norganna | yes |
| 04:13.06 | norganna | it will |
| 04:13.10 | zespri_work | ??? |
| 04:13.12 | Legorol | i don't own one so i don't know |
| 04:13.14 | zespri_work | tell me how!!! |
| 04:13.16 | Legorol | but from what i heard, it can repeat on a timer |
| 04:13.21 | norganna | create a macro |
| 04:13.26 | zespri_work | I have G15, but I have no idea how to make it do it! |
| 04:13.28 | norganna | do the keypress |
| 04:13.33 | Tem | Kaelten: no idea :( |
| 04:13.41 | norganna | select repeat until key pressed again |
| 04:13.51 | norganna | put in an interval |
| 04:13.51 | Cairenn | speaking of things that 1.10.1 seems to have done ... |
| 04:14.01 | Legorol | zespri, bear in mind that Blizzard has now come forward and made some vague statements about what you are allowed and not allowed to do with it in WoW |
| 04:14.05 | Iriel | It's technically the G15 software, rather than the G15 itself |
| 04:14.10 | Tem | especially when I've been using the addon under the patch for a week without error |
| 04:14.11 | Legorol | the old "it's a hardware device so anything goes" argument doesn't fly anymore |
| 04:14.13 | norganna | true |
| 04:14.31 | norganna | same with the logitech keyboard |
| 04:14.45 | Legorol | i think it's an Aeus post in EU that's clearest on this |
| 04:14.52 | Cairenn | has anyone else noticed that if you have click to move turned on and you right click to go to an NPC or to go to skin a mob, it doesn't move you all the way to said destination any longer? still works fine for looting and herbalism, but not the others |
| 04:14.57 | Iriel | And presumably with the Ergodex DX1 |
| 04:15.01 | zespri_work | norganna, I don't see the menu options you mentioned, where are they? |
| 04:15.13 | Legorol | Cairenn: i think that's since 1.10.0 |
| 04:15.14 | Iriel | Hm, i've never turned on Click to move |
| 04:15.17 | Iriel | so I dunno |
| 04:15.34 | Cairenn | Lego, I've only started having the problem in the last week or so |
| 04:15.35 | norganna | zespri: You have the macro screen up? |
| 04:15.49 | Cairenn | it's verra annoying |
| 04:15.50 | zespri_work | window titled Macro Manager? |
| 04:15.51 | Legorol | Cairenn: all right, you're prolly right |
| 04:15.56 | Iriel | I may try click to move + MovePad on the tablet |
| 04:16.04 | Iriel | I'm curious to know how playable it is with no keyboard or mouse |
| 04:16.16 | norganna | yeah.... hmm - maybe it's only the thumb button that supports macro? |
| 04:16.31 | Legorol | Iriel: doesn't a tablet basically work like a mouse? |
| 04:16.36 | norganna | try to define a macro on the thumb button |
| 04:16.41 | zespri_work | thumb button? are we talking of different G15s? |
| 04:17.14 | norganna | oh |
| 04:17.24 | norganna | g15 is the logitech keyboard? |
| 04:17.27 | norganna | ok |
| 04:17.29 | zespri_work | yes |
| 04:17.42 | norganna | there's a repeat option there too |
| 04:17.44 | zespri_work | it'snot belsomething nostsomething 52 |
| 04:17.47 | Legorol | ok, rebooting to try this bootable windows CD.. |
| 04:18.01 | Iriel | Legorol : Yes, it's a tablet PC, so when I have it in tablet mode, no keyboard |
| 04:18.15 | zespri_work | well I was searching over all the menu and I haven't found the repeat option on g15 |
| 04:18.44 | Tain | zespri in the keyboard profile software, when you assign a macro/key/etc. to a G key |
| 04:19.05 | norganna | but there's a problem with delays between keys |
| 04:19.12 | Tain | That dropdown menu for each G key has an option, "Repeat options" |
| 04:19.38 | zespri_work | mine drop down menu doesn't have this for some reason |
| 04:19.41 | Tain | You can set that macro to repeat while you hold down the key, or as a toggle so it keeps running until you press that key again. |
| 04:20.03 | norganna | so you have to do something like press key, delay, release key; but make the delay really big (like 0.5secs) |
| 04:20.08 | Tain | There have been software updates, last one was about a month ago I think. |
| 04:22.17 | Iriel | I wonder how many UI folks have G15's |
| 04:22.47 | zespri_work | this is what my screens look like http://brutsoft.com/tmp/g15-1.GIF http://brutsoft.com/tmp/g15-2.GIF |
| 04:22.58 | norganna | i have both g15 and n52 hooked up to the same pc |
| 04:23.15 | Tain | I haven't used the macro keys for anything "bad." Well, I did at first a little, but just soloing with my rogue. |
| 04:23.23 | Tain | ss ss ss ss ss evis |
| 04:23.24 | norganna | i actually don't use my g15 for generating keystrokes |
| 04:23.49 | norganna | just legitimate mappings to toolbar button |
| 04:24.14 | Iriel | I just use mine as a normal keyboard on this Pc |
| 04:24.21 | Iriel | Though i've been fiddling with the LCD |
| 04:24.34 | Tain | zespri try assigning a macro to one and then click, I get a different menu after a macro is assigned. |
| 04:24.43 | AnduinLothar | i payed way too much for my bluetooth keyboardto give it up for a g15 |
| 04:25.07 | Tain | I got a 48 hour suspend way back for playing with something else, so I never really wanted to push it again. |
| 04:25.55 | Tain | I did start a new LCD Studio design today for the screen. |
| 04:26.52 | zespri_work | Cool. Got it. thank you so much! |
| 04:26.56 | norganna | i spend a heap of money do something crazy like spend 5 hours writing some code to automate 4 characters given keystrokes, then play with it for a couple of hours and get bored. |
| 04:27.53 | Iriel | I SO understand how that goes! |
| 04:28.16 | Iriel | Tain: The linux G15 drivers are a bit more rudimentary |
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| 04:28.59 | Legorol | Hehe, this totally cracked me up. CD boots, setup launches, and after the first two screens: |
| 04:29.17 | Tain | Yeah Iriel, at this point all of my Linux stuff is done remote so I don't have it plugged directly in. |
| 04:29.18 | Legorol | "Please insert the disk labelled 'Windows XP Pro Setup CD-ROM' into drive A:" |
| 04:29.49 | Legorol | why do i get the feeling that something's not quite right here with my setup CD :D |
| 04:30.33 | AnduinLothar | gg |
| 04:30.35 | wereMouse|sleep | morning |
| 04:30.44 | Cairenn | hey wereHamster |
| 04:31.17 | Tain | I do use a G15 macro to buff myself up in Oblivion though. :) |
| 04:31.44 | Osagasu | Tain, have you seen the Voice Activated Spell thing for OB yet |
| 04:31.57 | wereHamster | 65 downloads of my broken version.. amazing :-P |
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| 04:32.16 | Tain | No I haven't, Osagasu. Actually I haven't looked at any Oblivions mods/addons at all. |
| 04:32.54 | Tain | I just got to where I can cast skill 75 Destruction magic though and whoooo boy it's a jump up in damage. |
| 04:33.53 | Iriel | aye |
| 04:34.39 | Iriel | I got my Marksmanship to 50 which is delightful |
| 04:34.40 | Tain | This char is pretty much Conjuring/Desctruction. I'm spoiled compared to pet aggro management in other games. :) |
| 04:35.01 | Tain | Marksmanship is so much fun, I went giddy the first time I was able to zoom in on someone. |
| 04:35.09 | Iriel | yeah |
| 04:35.14 | Legorol | Oblivion any good then? |
| 04:35.16 | Iriel | I was on the other side of an oblivion gate |
| 04:35.26 | Iriel | Taking out those little exploding mines from afar is fun fun fun |
| 04:35.31 | Tain | Oblivion is great fun. |
| 04:35.32 | Iriel | Oblivion is extremely good |
| 04:35.40 | Tain | haha those mines suck. |
| 04:35.41 | Legorol | does it have a trial of some sort? |
| 04:35.52 | Iriel | I dont believe so |
| 04:35.56 | Iriel | it's single player and all |
| 04:36.00 | Legorol | i prolly can't cope with two mmo's at a time, but i'd love to try it at least |
| 04:36.04 | Legorol | oh |
| 04:36.07 | Legorol | i thought it was an mmo |
| 04:36.09 | Tain | I tried creating my own custom spell for the first tiem today and it didn't work out at all. I have to read up on that. |
| 04:36.12 | Iriel | Not an mmo, but it feels like an MMO |
| 04:36.33 | Legorol | hm, sounds like skill-based advancement, custom spells.. |
| 04:36.42 | Legorol | sounds like the Saga of Ryzom |
| 04:36.43 | Kaelten | night guys |
| 04:36.44 | Tain | I'd still love for Oblivion to have online multiplyaer, in the Diablo multiplayer vein. |
| 04:36.53 | Iriel | Except that Ryzom sucked horribly |
| 04:37.07 | Iriel | and looked like crap |
| 04:37.07 | Legorol | there were some nice features that i really liked about it |
| 04:37.11 | Legorol | it's a pity it was crap overall :( |
| 04:37.26 | Legorol | i loved the skill-based advancement and the flexible action system |
| 04:37.26 | Iriel | I had great hope for ryzom |
| 04:37.34 | Iriel | Hey lego, are you still interested in Guild Wars? |
| 04:37.34 | Legorol | plus i was looking forward to the storyline |
| 04:37.38 | Tain | The worst thing about Oblivion is that you can't walk up next to someone and go, "Check out how awesome I am!" |
| 04:37.47 | Legorol | Iriel: i'm interested in trying almost anything |
| 04:37.56 | Legorol | likelihood of actually subscribing: virtually nil |
| 04:38.03 | Legorol | but i like giving it a go for a short period |
| 04:38.05 | Tain | Yeesh you're behind the times. |
| 04:38.05 | Iriel | I'll see if I can find a trial code when Faction Wars comes out |
| 04:38.07 | Legorol | new things are fun |
| 04:38.13 | Tain | You don't subscribe to Guild Wars. |
| 04:38.15 | Iriel | well, GW is a pay-once-play-forever thing |
| 04:38.17 | Tain | You buy it once. |
| 04:38.32 | Iriel | pretty battle.net |
| 04:38.34 | Iriel | basically |
| 04:38.36 | Legorol | Iriel: still, I'm a cheapskate |
| 04:38.49 | Legorol | Thing is, I don't want to pay for something I know I'm not going to play a lot |
| 04:39.29 | Tain | That's why I tell everyone it's worth buying since you never have to pay again, and it is a lot of fun IF you're playing with people. |
| 04:39.29 | Legorol | like EVE, i went through the tutorials, had a look at the graphics, had fun for a few days and that was it |
| 04:39.29 | Iriel | I figure if I play anything for 6 hours or more I should buy it |
| 04:39.29 | Legorol | I knew it won't last longer than that |
| 04:39.29 | Kemayo | I should stop leaving papers until the night before they're due. |
| 04:39.34 | Legorol | I tend to base my purchasing decision on whether i play it repeatedly |
| 04:39.42 | Tain | heh the tutorials alone in Eve last a few days. ;) |
| 04:39.46 | Legorol | and often i purchase stuff after the fact |
| 04:39.50 | Iriel | I do have friends who get hold of 'shady software' a lot so I can often try things before making my choice |
| 04:39.52 | Iriel | which is handy |
| 04:40.00 | Legorol | yeah |
| 04:40.57 | Iriel | So, in a way, software piracy has put hundreds of dollars worth of PURCHASED games on my shelf |
| 04:41.04 | Legorol | my biggest post-play purchasing waves was with blizz software |
| 04:41.20 | Tain | It actually has mine. There are games I would have not bought had I not tried them out first. |
| 04:41.20 | Legorol | i played SC and WC quite a bit before i decided i like it so much that this company deserves the cash |
| 04:41.40 | Iriel | I've still never played SC |
| 04:41.53 | Legorol | it's probably too late now, would be a bit outdated... i'd go for WC3 |
| 04:41.54 | Iriel | I bought the WC3 collectors edition long after the game was 'old' too, I'm a late started I guess |
| 04:41.56 | Osagasu | I couldn't get into it for some reason |
| 04:42.10 | Legorol | i never got on to battle.net with SC |
| 04:42.12 | Iriel | though I have a signed box for the expansion |
| 04:42.14 | Tain | SC in its time was just amazing. |
| 04:42.17 | Legorol | but i did play it with WC3 for a while |
| 04:42.26 | Kirov | SC still looks good |
| 04:42.29 | Legorol | used to have 2 friends who were into it as well so we'd play 3-on-3 matches |
| 04:42.31 | Legorol | that was fun |
| 04:42.54 | Iriel | the Blizzcon invitationals were interesting to watch |
| 04:43.06 | Tain | The single player SC game had a great storyline, great missions. |
| 04:43.18 | MentalPower | and great cinematics |
| 04:43.24 | Tain | Yep! |
| 04:44.04 | Legorol | indeed |
| 04:44.11 | Legorol | SC is worth playing through just for the story |
| 04:44.14 | Tain | That was one of the things that really made both SC and D2 that much better, the awesome cut scenes. |
| 04:44.44 | Iriel | yeah |
| 04:46.56 | Iriel | Any of you lot play Sacred? |
| 04:47.44 | Tain | Nope, I think I remember that coming out during a long lull in gaming for me. |
| 04:49.24 | Iriel | It was an odd game for me, when I first tried it I thought "Meh", but then I couldn't stop playing it |
| 05:02.48 | Iriel | Gnight Cairenn 8-) |
| 05:05.20 | Elviso | anyone else unable to resolve gamesure.net? |
| 05:05.56 | Cairenn | night all |
| 05:06.33 | Elviso | cyas Cairenn|sleep |
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| 05:18.26 | Cairenn|sleep | oh my ... |
| 05:18.36 | Cairenn|sleep | ooooops .... |
| 05:18.37 | Cairenn|sleep | http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_20064611181.asp |
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| 05:22.04 | zeeg | 10:55a | <Kalroth> #113 is only used by <Random Enchantment> items, so it must be a reference to one or more enchantments. |
| 05:22.04 | zeeg | 5 |
| 05:22.06 | zeeg | if we could figure that out |
| 05:22.09 | zeeg | thatd be awesome |
| 05:23.14 | krka | morning |
| 05:27.58 | MentalPower | zeeg: I think sancus is asking for you over at #CosmosTesters |
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| 05:29.04 | krka | wtf it's snowing outside :( |
| 05:32.03 | MentalPower | where do you live? |
| 05:33.49 | krka | sthlm |
| 05:37.33 | Iriel | Ok, I can't figure out sthlm |
| 05:39.09 | krka | google is your friend |
| 05:39.31 | krka | oh well, i am too: stockholm |
| 05:43.40 | zeeg | ty |
| 05:45.07 | norganna | zeeg - what was that #133 stuff about? |
| 05:45.23 | AnduinLothar | 1330+7? |
| 05:46.43 | Iriel | It'll have been about itemcache |
| 05:51.34 | zeeg | 113, not sure |
| 05:51.41 | zeeg | i wanna talk to kalroth |
| 05:51.43 | zeeg | but ya itemcache, |
| 05:56.10 | norganna | ahh - yes |
| 05:56.52 | norganna | that's what alla says it's for too... have no idea what it means however |
| 05:57.30 | krka|away | time to go to work |
| 05:57.31 | norganna | and i did a *lot* of research to try and work it out |
| 06:10.53 | zeeg | 1:09a | <wowguru> Another mockup of v3, give us your comments/ideas: http://www.wowguru.com/gallery/files/wow-guru-v3-another-mockup-id1247/ (zeeg) |
| 06:10.53 | zeeg | 1 |
| 06:10.59 | zeeg | norganna, if i could link it |
| 06:11.01 | zeeg | that'd be uber |
| 06:11.42 | norganna | ? |
| 06:12.03 | zeeg | if i could simply show "This item can have these enchantments:" |
| 06:12.13 | zeeg | instead of having to gather that w/ LUA |
| 06:12.20 | zeeg | although i could just parse lootlink tables to get it |
| 06:12.41 | zeeg | if it's a numeric value, i would assume it associates with a DBC that references this ID = these enchantments |
| 06:14.44 | norganna | yeah - i tried assuming that |
| 06:14.53 | norganna | i couldn't find a link however |
| 06:15.58 | zeeg | hrm |
| 06:16.05 | zeeg | oh well |
| 06:16.09 | zeeg | hopefully this wiki will help a lot |
| 06:16.12 | zeeg | since the other one got shut down |
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| 06:17.49 | s|loup | juhu identified |
| 06:26.26 | zeeg | whats china's locale |
| 06:26.33 | zeeg | cnZH? |
| 06:29.28 | norganna | zhCN |
| 06:29.57 | zeeg | thanks |
| 06:30.10 | zeeg | so |
| 06:30.11 | zeeg | zhTW? |
| 06:30.23 | zeeg | http://wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/DBC_Basics |
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| 06:30.58 | Tem | Iriel: you around? |
| 06:31.33 | norganna | traditional chinese (which they use for the taiwanese wow) |
| 06:32.39 | Iriel | mostly |
| 06:33.24 | norganna | zhCN = Simplified Chinese (used in China) |
| 06:33.41 | norganna | zhTw = Traditional Chinese (used in Taiwan) |
| 06:33.52 | norganna | hence the CN and the TW |
| 06:34.29 | norganna | CN = China, TW = Taiwan |
| 06:34.53 | zeeg | ya |
| 06:34.58 | zeeg | i know that much |
| 06:34.58 | zeeg | just wasnt sure if it was like |
| 06:35.01 | zeeg | zhCN and twCN or something |
| 06:35.02 | zeeg | :P |
| 06:35.29 | norganna | first 2 letters are the ISO 2 letter language codes |
| 06:35.44 | norganna | second 2 letters are the ISO 2 letter country codes |
| 06:36.46 | zeeg | http://wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/ItemSet.dbc |
| 06:37.02 | zeeg | anything you know of on that one? |
| 06:37.04 | zeeg | im just entering the important ones really |
| 06:37.04 | zeeg | :p |
| 06:37.11 | norganna | ISO 3166-1 and ISO 3166-2 i believe |
| 06:38.27 | Elviso | Another mockup of v3, give us your comments/ideas: http://www.wowguru.com/gallery/files/wow-guru-v3-another-mockup-id1247/ (zeeg) |
| 06:38.33 | Elviso | too gaudy imo |
| 06:38.42 | norganna | er - nope ISO 3166-1 is country codes: http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-code-lists/list-en1.html |
| 06:39.32 | zeeg | gaudy? |
| 06:40.24 | Elviso | idk, I just don't like the grapical elements of it at all |
| 06:41.27 | Elviso | too many images used in presentation |
| 06:41.32 | zeeg | hrm |
| 06:41.34 | Elviso | and navigation |
| 06:41.45 | zeeg | keep in mind there wont be *that* many images on every page |
| 06:41.45 | zeeg | :) |
| 06:42.04 | norganna | IS0 639-1 language codes: http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/englangn.html |
| 06:42.39 | Elviso | well, no matter what you put in the content area....it'll still be overwhelmed (visually) by all the navigation and general UI images |
| 06:44.02 | norganna | hmmm - not really zeeg... didn't go all that in-depth with the associated files |
| 06:44.16 | norganna | i basically just wanted the prices - lol |
| 06:44.49 | zeeg | :) |
| 06:44.53 | norganna | i have worked out a good deal of the spell db tho |
| 06:45.07 | norganna | (for recipes mainly) |
| 06:45.40 | zeeg | ya |
| 06:45.42 | zeeg | i have most of the spell DB |
| 06:45.51 | zeeg | im putting up the WDB structures i have first |
| 06:45.54 | zeeg | then ill do spell dbc |
| 06:46.00 | zeeg | http://wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/CreatureCache.wdb |
| 06:46.34 | zeeg | 519 The Five Thunders 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 2031678 22095 22096 22097 22098 22099 22100 22101 22102 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.0 |
| 06:46.34 | zeeg | 520 Ironweave Battlesuit |
| 06:46.36 | zeeg | are those new? |
| 06:46.50 | hyperChipmunk | oh that was totally necesary |
| 06:46.58 | hyperChipmunk | lso, necessary |
| 06:47.03 | hyperChipmunk | ah, screw it |
| 06:47.05 | hyperChipmunk | g'night =P |
| 06:47.07 | zeeg | O.o |
| 06:47.27 | zeeg | phew |
| 06:47.30 | zeeg | spell.dbc didnt change formats |
| 06:48.40 | norganna | Here's a question for you guys to mull over: The original backpack (the main one) that you have. Does it exist in the game as an Item, or is it faked? |
| 06:49.28 | MentalPower | it faked |
| 06:49.51 | MentalPower | or are you talking about the internal implementation? |
| 06:51.59 | norganna | i'm basically asking. Does it have an ItemID? |
| 06:52.18 | zeeg | wow |
| 06:52.21 | zeeg | firefox is used 512mb of memory |
| 06:52.23 | zeeg | gg |
| 06:52.45 | MentalPower | afaik it doesn't |
| 06:53.00 | zeeg | ya i dont believe it does either |
| 06:54.35 | MentalPower | anyways, gnight folks |
| 06:54.58 | zeeg | night |
| 06:57.14 | zeeg | ugh |
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| 07:13.16 | krka | have to identify to join channel now? |
| 07:14.11 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/QuestCache.wdb |
| 07:14.17 | zeeg | biggest pain in the ass *ever* dissecting that one |
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| 07:30.50 | zeeg | holy |
| 07:30.50 | zeeg | [wowguru@ded-lax-005 archives]$ du -h |
| 07:30.50 | zeeg | 1012M . |
| 07:30.54 | zeeg | 1 gig of UI mods on wowguru |
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| 08:57.05 | Maldivia | *grumble* --- #WoWI-lounge :You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 08:57.35 | Kalroth | owned! |
| 08:57.45 | Maldivia | hmm, 1.10.2 PTR? |
| 08:57.48 | Kalroth | Yup |
| 08:58.09 | Maldivia | that's just... weird... |
| 08:58.23 | Kalroth | Seems like Blizzard got tired of buggy x.x.* patches and now they actually want to test them ;) |
| 08:58.37 | Maldivia | or they are planning to keep PTR up all the time now? |
| 08:58.58 | Kalroth | I haven't heard anything about that, but it would be a wise decision |
| 09:01.00 | Maldivia | also, they should consider stop patching to patch.mpq, and start using patch-2.mpq and up :) |
| 09:01.26 | Maldivia | I'm tired of those 1.ggb copies every patch, takes forever :) |
| 09:01.33 | Maldivia | 1.6gb * |
| 09:01.53 | Kalroth | also fragments the file badly |
| 09:12.05 | zeeg | agreed! |
| 09:12.08 | zeeg | would make my life easier |
| 09:12.13 | zeeg | patch-1.10.2.mpq |
| 09:12.13 | zeeg | etc. |
| 09:12.15 | zeeg | ;) |
| 09:12.46 | Kalroth | oi zeeg, I see you read some of the comments I sent while you were slacking :) |
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| 09:24.26 | zeeg | ya |
| 09:24.26 | zeeg | :D |
| 09:24.45 | zeeg | i filled in all the other info i have (at least stuff thats not worthless) on wdbs as well |
| 09:25.41 | Maldivia | such as? |
| 09:26.31 | Kalroth | zeeg: regarding ammoType, I'm 99% sure it's 72 and not 107 |
| 09:27.30 | zeeg | alright |
| 09:27.38 | zeeg | Maldivia, questcache/creaturecache specifically |
| 09:27.43 | Maldivia | ok |
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| 09:30.29 | zeeg | i need to categorize the main page |
| 09:30.31 | zeeg | too hard to browse |
| 09:31.13 | Kalroth | it isn't right now, but it probably will be later on |
| 09:32.08 | Kalroth | make a short summary/explanation of WDB/DBC files and put the listing on a subpage? |
| 09:34.00 | zeeg | nah im gonna just do columns |
| 09:34.04 | zeeg | and seperate them by their function |
| 09:34.06 | zeeg | (Items, Spells, etc.) |
| 09:34.19 | Kalroth | that'd do the trick too :) |
| 09:34.40 | id` | ok so |
| 09:34.47 | id` | why would you want to do things with wdb files? |
| 09:34.56 | Kalroth | it's information |
| 09:35.02 | id` | .. and? |
| 09:35.06 | Kalroth | .. and? |
| 09:35.09 | zeeg | :P |
| 09:35.11 | id` | yes and |
| 09:35.12 | zeeg | we like information |
| 09:35.14 | Kalroth | and what? |
| 09:35.27 | zeeg | wdb/dbc = allakhazam/thottbot/wowguru/etc |
| 09:35.28 | id` | need of information has a purpose |
| 09:35.45 | id` | oh i see, item databases etc |
| 09:35.55 | zeeg | ya |
| 09:35.57 | zeeg | among other things |
| 09:36.01 | zeeg | wowmodelview = these files |
| 09:36.05 | Kalroth | like I said, information :) |
| 09:36.26 | id` | 'information' was too general |
| 09:36.29 | id` | thats why i asked |
| 09:36.53 | Kalroth | well there's not much else you can do with the files |
| 09:37.15 | id` | set em on fire and jum through them? |
| 09:37.19 | id` | eh.. oh .. no.. |
| 09:39.43 | Kalroth | http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn9011-invention-the-tvadvert-enforcer.html <- wow, Philips doesn't want to be a popular manfacturer |
| 09:39.48 | Kalroth | "Philips suggests adding flags to commercial breaks to stop a viewer from changing channels until the adverts are over. The flags could also be recognised by digital video recorders, which would then disable the fast forward control while the ads are playing." |
| 09:40.21 | zeeg | hrm |
| 09:41.21 | Miravlix | I'm soo glad I don't use comercial viewers then |
| 09:42.02 | Kalroth | well it isn't feasible at all |
| 09:42.03 | Miravlix | What next, tv that can't change channel unless your Advert to program ratio is high enough? |
| 09:42.10 | Kalroth | stupid suggestion in the first place |
| 09:55.51 | Elviso | Maldivia, thanks |
| 09:57.03 | zeeg | anyone know how to redirect a page |
| 09:57.05 | zeeg | in wiki |
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| 10:00.03 | Kalroth | zeeg: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Redirect |
| 10:00.24 | Kalroth | I think it's the standard for wikis |
| 10:00.24 | zeeg | nvm i just deleted it |
| 10:00.28 | Kalroth | lol |
| 10:02.14 | Maldivia | Elviso ? |
| 10:02.27 | Elviso | I've been OCD'd over xchat all day |
| 10:02.38 | Maldivia | hehe, ok |
| 10:03.04 | Elviso | I've been playing w/the text events config.....mmm fun |
| 10:03.47 | Maldivia | id`: spell database is nice, when people post screenshot of their new hot legendary item, and you then can tell them: sorry, that proc-spell doesn't exists, fake! :) |
| 10:04.29 | Maldivia | Elviso: yeah, I really like how you can customize every single string that's displayed - more or less |
| 10:05.11 | Elviso | know of any guide for the different % modifiers? |
| 10:05.23 | Elviso | i.e. , #, etc? |
| 10:05.36 | Maldivia | look at the bottom, when you have selected a text event |
| 10:06.12 | Elviso | that's the $vars |
| 10:06.19 | Elviso | I mean the color/bold/underline etc |
| 10:06.27 | Maldivia | Ohh |
| 10:07.27 | Maldivia | the colors - see the color settings for a list |
| 10:08.36 | Elviso | hehe yeah I use that....I was just wondering if there was a definition for what different % options there are....so far I can't figure out what % H does |
| 10:09.27 | Maldivia | hmm. |
| 10:09.39 | Elviso | You know what I'm talking about |
| 10:09.40 | Elviso | ? |
| 10:09.44 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 10:10.36 | Maldivia | where do you see %H? |
| 10:10.47 | Elviso | ummmm |
| 10:11.04 | Elviso | "your message" |
| 10:11.44 | Maldivia | ohh, probably highlight or something then |
| 10:12.15 | zeeg | bah |
| 10:12.18 | Maldivia | although, I don't have %H in my event text, but mine is somewhat modified :) |
| 10:12.35 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Pagehttp://www.wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 10:12.36 | zenzio | I still use the 2.4 pevents.conf |
| 10:12.37 | zeeg | er |
| 10:12.38 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 10:13.04 | Elviso | hrmm |
| 10:13.19 | Maldivia | zenzio: I have no idea what I'm using, been using this conf since forever :) |
| 10:13.38 | zenzio | I'm only aware of , , <num>, and $t though, but I haven't really searched for others |
| 10:13.43 | zenzio | arf... |
| 10:13.57 | zenzio | I'm only aware of %B, %U, %C<num>, %O and $t though, but I haven't really searched for others |
| 10:15.15 | Elviso | do did you use the % there, did you use ascii codes? |
| 10:15.31 | Elviso | or escape them? |
| 10:15.41 | Maldivia | % to escape |
| 10:15.44 | Maldivia | %% that is |
| 10:15.48 | Elviso | ahh |
| 10:16.34 | Elviso | well, for the curious.... for "your message" I have "%H<%H$$4%B$$1%C25%H>%H" |
| 10:16.49 | Elviso | but I never see <> at all |
| 10:17.00 | Elviso | %H = hidden? |
| 10:17.49 | Elviso | yup thats it, I love it when I answer my own questions by having to ask them 1st :p |
| 10:19.29 | Maldivia | I don't think it's hidden, but probably a highlight setting |
| 10:20.28 | Elviso | it definitely hides text....type %H and then something |
| 10:20.30 | zenzio | /echo %Hfoo%Hbar |
| 10:20.34 | Elviso | %h lol |
| 10:21.00 | Elviso | well, on the "test" box it hides everything I put after it |
| 10:21.19 | zenzio | it hides up until the next %H or %O |
| 10:21.28 | Maldivia | ohh well, %H is after 2.6.0-1 then :) |
| 10:21.38 | Maldivia | I should probably update my client |
| 10:22.12 | Elviso | I went w/a basic charcoal/black skin....but it has nice industrial orange accents |
| 10:23.06 | Maldivia | case 'H':/* CL: invisible text code */ |
| 10:23.07 | Maldivia | buf[i] = '\001'; |
| 10:23.07 | Maldivia | break; |
| 10:23.53 | Maldivia | :) |
| 10:24.17 | Maldivia | There's also %R (reverse), I so hate that one :) |
| 10:24.52 | zenzio | true |
| 10:25.09 | Elviso | http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xchat2cx.jpg |
| 10:25.12 | zenzio | I strip incoming colors anyhow |
| 10:25.25 | Maldivia | hmm %H expands to ascii 1, ahh, it's for use with CTCP then... |
| 10:26.20 | Maldivia | elviso, personally, I prefer a monospace font for IRC |
| 10:27.24 | Elviso | eh, I just find one that looks good |
| 10:27.36 | Elviso | I hate finding good fonts |
| 10:28.58 | Elviso | now I need to figure out the methodology for coloring people's nicks on the left of the margin |
| 10:29.35 | Maldivia | it's random |
| 10:29.46 | Elviso | form which set, the mIRC or the other? |
| 10:31.10 | Maldivia | dunno |
| 10:34.24 | zeeg | OMFG |
| 10:34.25 | zeeg | i just spent |
| 10:34.29 | zeeg | 30 minutes extracting this image |
| 10:34.32 | zeeg | an dphotoshop crashed |
| 10:34.51 | zenzio | Elviso: color them differently or all the same? |
| 10:34.53 | zeeg | good thiung id never pay 1000+ dollars for shitty software |
| 10:35.00 | Kalroth | I would say owned, but that'd be rude :P |
| 10:35.13 | id` | owned |
| 10:35.40 | id` | Kalroth: it is the purpose of leetspeak to be rude |
| 10:35.52 | Kalroth | werd! |
| 10:36.07 | zeeg | OMG AGAIN |
| 10:36.14 | id` | well purpose.. its purpose is to convey a message, rude just ships with it |
| 10:36.20 | id` | owned+bbqsauce! |
| 10:37.08 | id` | LALALALAL!!!!!1111eleventyoenwtotrhee |
| 10:37.16 | id` | :P |
| 10:37.18 | Kalroth | :/ |
| 10:38.37 | Elviso | zenzio, just change their defaults |
| 10:40.28 | Maldivia | I need to find myself a script for xchat, that allows me to control exactly who gets what color |
| 10:42.58 | Elviso | I might like to do that, and just set everyone else to a default |
| 10:43.17 | Elviso | the random colors are nice, but there's only a handful of colors that look ok to use |
| 10:43.38 | Elviso | and there's almost always more people in the channel than there is acceptable colors |
| 10:46.51 | zeeg | how do you set a transparency in a GIF |
| 10:46.52 | zeeg | like |
| 10:46.55 | zeeg | not just w/ no background |
| 10:47.05 | zeeg | but Gryphon has sent me an image before that was transparent on a certain color |
| 10:47.50 | zenzio | I thought GIF transparency was just transparency of a certain color? Can't remember though... haven't used GIF for years |
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| 10:48.23 | Maldivia | *grumble* |
| 10:48.44 | zeeg | nvm |
| 10:48.45 | zeeg | figured it out |
| 10:49.39 | Maldivia | zeeg, so want help filling out your wiki? |
| 10:50.55 | zeeg | *basically* |
| 10:50.56 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 10:51.00 | zeeg | im trying to make that logo look less crap |
| 10:51.02 | zeeg | Maldivia, ya go for it :D |
| 10:52.16 | zeeg | just try to keep it lookin like the other pages |
| 10:52.17 | zeeg | :) |
| 10:53.12 | Maldivia | no no, I'll make it red and green! |
| 10:53.19 | zeeg | O.o |
| 10:53.29 | zeeg | i meant mostly w/ the way headers/tables are setup |
| 10:53.29 | zeeg | :P |
| 10:54.41 | zeeg | hey i think i got it |
| 10:55.16 | Maldivia | you cut too much of it, not it have jacky edges |
| 10:55.56 | Maldivia | hint hint, png images, aplha channel :) |
| 10:57.43 | zenzio | does IE support that properly now? I recall my brother talking about some quirk about it |
| 10:58.05 | Maldivia | who cares about IE ? :) |
| 10:58.27 | zeeg | lol |
| 10:58.29 | zeeg | good enough |
| 10:58.33 | zeeg | i figured out how transparency works |
| 10:58.45 | zeeg | wait i think ic an fix that actually |
| 10:59.12 | zeeg | nope |
| 10:59.15 | zeeg | its keeping the I jagged |
| 10:59.30 | Kalroth | GIFs will end up jagged |
| 10:59.34 | zeeg | oh well |
| 10:59.36 | zeeg | good enough for me! |
| 10:59.52 | zeeg | at least til new design is done |
| 10:59.54 | zeeg | then ill just use that |
| 11:00.01 | Maldivia | :) |
| 11:01.11 | Maldivia | String as type, does that imply offset, or "in-record" string ? |
| 11:03.22 | zeeg | implies uhh |
| 11:03.28 | zeeg | the field's type as string |
| 11:03.29 | zeeg | im confused |
| 11:03.30 | zeeg | lol |
| 11:04.35 | zeeg | http://wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/Tools |
| 11:04.38 | zeeg | help me add to that |
| 11:04.42 | zeeg | i dont know of anything (public) that I can add |
| 11:06.00 | zeeg | I wonder if there's a way to show this info on a page |
| 11:06.01 | zeeg | http://wowguru.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Whatlinkshere/AreaTable.dbc |
| 11:06.13 | zeeg | that'd be nice so we could say "These pages reference AreaTable.dbc" |
| 11:06.17 | Maldivia | Figured I'd start filling out some of the spell dbc files, since that what I know something about, and they have fields with in-file offsets to strings, but strings in the wdc's are "in-record" |
| 11:06.58 | zeeg | oh you mean the column #? |
| 11:07.00 | zeeg | or? |
| 11:07.15 | zeeg | im not sure exactly what you're asking :s |
| 11:07.39 | Maldivia | fields have types, integer, float, string etc... is it implied that string in dbc's mean offset to string? |
| 11:08.20 | zeeg | its just implied that the field is a string (taking the binary and converting it to string) |
| 11:08.40 | Maldivia | for instance spellIcons have 2 fields: (integer) id and (string) path |
| 11:08.52 | zeeg | ya |
| 11:10.04 | Maldivia | ok |
| 11:11.40 | zeeg | wait |
| 11:11.41 | zeeg | what was the question |
| 11:11.42 | zeeg | lol |
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| 12:09.18 | Josh_Borke | morning :-) |
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| 12:12.12 | wereHamster | morning |
| 12:19.29 | Josh_Borke | 80 downloads of the broken coolDown :-) |
| 12:20.11 | wereHamster | yep.. |
| 12:20.21 | wereHamster | and not one complaint |
| 12:41.05 | Josh_Borke | vim has problems with really long lines :-( |
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| 13:13.41 | Osagasu | So anyone know why Blizzard suddenly decided that a minor patch needed a PTR? |
| 13:15.59 | Kalroth | They got tired of previous majorly bugged minor patches? :) |
| 13:20.44 | Osagasu | Fair enough. |
| 13:21.15 | Kalroth | No idea why though, they might be preparing PTR for 1.11 |
| 13:21.40 | Osagasu | hrm... after the PI/AP change they had better be improving AP in 1.11 |
| 13:22.32 | zenzio | PI/AP? |
| 13:22.43 | Kalroth | What? Mages get a new icon, that should be enough! |
| 13:22.58 | Osagasu | Power Infusion and Arcane Power don't stack in 1.10.2 |
| 13:23.47 | zenzio | I feel they've overfixed "next melee"+Deep Wounds in 1.10.1 at least |
| 13:24.09 | Kalroth | overfixed? how? |
| 13:24.44 | zenzio | it triggers sometimes (not always, but sometimes) on normal Heroic Strike/Cleave hits, not just on critical hits |
| 13:25.17 | Kalroth | hrm, haven't noticed that |
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| 13:25.29 | Kalroth | but I rarely use HS anyways, haven't noticed on Cleave |
| 13:25.35 | zenzio | http://home.samsen.com/zenzelezz/deep_wounds_misfire.png |
| 13:27.13 | Kalroth | sweet, free deep wounds! |
| 13:28.08 | wereHamster | zenzio, I'd say a typo in the server code :) |
| 13:28.22 | zenzio | how so? |
| 13:28.54 | wereHamster | maybe they misinterpret HS as deep wound somewhere |
| 13:29.05 | Kalroth | uhm? |
| 13:29.15 | zenzio | I don't understand what you mean |
| 13:29.33 | zenzio | the 1.10.1 patch notes said they "fixed" something about "next melee" attacks |
| 13:29.45 | Kalroth | wereHamster: deep wounds are a talent based DoT that's triggered by critical hits :) |
| 13:30.11 | zenzio | *fixed something about Deep Wounds + "next melee" attacks |
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| 13:38.54 | Josh_Borke | morning cide |
| 13:39.39 | Cide | morning |
| 13:41.13 | Cide | heh, putting up 1.10.2 on PTR is kind of interesting |
| 13:41.36 | wereHamster | morning cide |
| 13:41.39 | Kalroth | Yup, we were discussing it earlier |
| 13:41.52 | Kalroth | maybe Blizzard actually wants to test it before releasing it :) |
| 13:41.59 | Kalroth | or they're just preparing PTR for 1.11 |
| 13:43.13 | Cide | maybe |
| 13:43.23 | Cide | 1.11 seems kind of far off in my opinion, though |
| 13:44.12 | Kalroth | 1.10 has been out for how long? I forget the release date. |
| 13:45.25 | Kalroth | I'm glad they're finally removing the need for Librams on ZG enchants |
| 13:45.37 | Kalroth | It's a good thing that I didn't waste 750g on it last week >< |
| 13:45.58 | wereHamster | 750g for a libram? |
| 13:46.19 | Kalroth | No, two librams .. but 750g would still be cheap for some single librams |
| 13:46.42 | wereHamster | I bought both for ~90g each :) |
| 13:46.51 | Kalroth | Libram of Focus costs up to that and more on some servers |
| 13:46.55 | wereHamster | protection.. |
| 13:47.03 | Kalroth | Yeah, it was protection I got |
| 13:47.21 | Josh_Borke | yea, now i just have to convince my guild to kill jin'do |
| 13:47.51 | Kalroth | Josh_Borke: Hexxer isn't that hard, just need people to kill stuff in the right order :) |
| 13:48.13 | Josh_Borke | indeed. though my guild has never been too good on getting the right people who listen into the raid... |
| 13:48.24 | Kalroth | The hardest part about the fight is not to gank the people that gets MCed |
| 13:48.48 | Josh_Borke | yea, we couldn't keep up with the shades+totems the few times i was there |
| 13:50.21 | wereHamster | what do you think of this as a unit frame for a raid addon: http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3783/unit9jm.png ? |
| 13:50.52 | Josh_Borke | it's too big for my tastes, but it looks nice :-0 |
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| 13:51.00 | Kalroth | Yeah, it's way too big |
| 13:51.10 | zenzio | interesting name |
| 13:51.26 | wereHamster | LOTR :) |
| 13:51.49 | Kalroth | in CTRA I've removed borders and sized it down to 75% |
| 13:52.02 | zenzio | Silmarillion |
| 13:52.32 | wereHamster | the size is ~200px ..I'll have to make it smaller.. but the frame is completely created in lua.. no xml :) |
| 13:52.33 | cmunn | Anyone know of a good addon for logging or monitoring events? |
| 13:52.33 | Kalroth | I wish there was a way to 'sticky' the unit windows top-most :) |
| 13:53.39 | wereHamster | zenzio, that's also correctly spelled.. you obviously know LOTR well :) |
| 13:53.39 | Cide | too high of a width/height ratio for me :) |
| 13:53.42 | Josh_Borke | Kalroth: i have mine directly below where the character frame pops :-) |
| 13:54.02 | zenzio | wereHamster: hehe :) |
| 13:54.34 | Kalroth | Josh_Borke: Yeah, below your own health/etc bar, right? |
| 13:54.52 | Josh_Borke | Kalroth: basically yea. so i don't want them top level :-) |
| 13:55.19 | Kalroth | nono, not top-most in that way :) |
| 13:55.34 | Kalroth | but that they would be sticky to each order |
| 13:55.40 | Josh_Borke | ah, yea |
| 13:55.57 | Kalroth | I got my windows sorted by classes, so I got 7 windows, I put them in 3 columns on the left side |
| 13:56.04 | Josh_Borke | hey! me too! |
| 13:56.17 | Kalroth | but since the class windows change a lot, I have to move 4 of the windows up/down a lot :) |
| 13:56.26 | Josh_Borke | healers on the left, mana dps in the middle, melee on the right :-D |
| 13:56.31 | Josh_Borke | Kalroth: exactly! |
| 13:56.36 | Kalroth | and if they overlap, then I can't move them >< |
| 13:56.51 | Josh_Borke | yea, you gotta move the top ones up/out first, then move the bottom, then move back :-/ |
| 13:57.09 | Kalroth | hence sticky to each other top-most would be sexy :) |
| 13:57.30 | Josh_Borke | yea |
| 13:57.57 | Cide | kind of hard to add in a good way |
| 13:59.10 | Kalroth | mmm, well it'd require some drag events, apart from that it shouldn't be any problems |
| 13:59.21 | Kalroth | the main problem would be to make it flexible enough :) |
| 13:59.59 | Cide | I think it'd be hard to make it intuitive |
| 14:00.00 | wereHamster | I have a quite nice solution to the class windows in my old raid-addon.. you can anchor them to another frame and they will automatically adjust when new class members join or leave the raid... |
| 14:00.02 | cmunn | Anyone know of a good addon or method for logging or monitoring events? |
| 14:00.26 | Josh_Borke | cmunn: DevTools has event information |
| 14:00.37 | Josh_Borke | cmunn: but it doesn't actively show all events |
| 14:00.37 | wereHamster | OnEventWatch @ WoWI |
| 14:00.40 | Kalroth | Cide: why intuitive? make a checkbox to enable sticky, then when the user drags a window next to another, it sticks :) |
| 14:01.08 | Kalroth | wereHamster: well yeah, anchoring is the same as sticky ;) |
| 14:01.31 | wereHamster | not always.. |
| 14:02.29 | wereHamster | or maybe yes.. :) |
| 14:02.37 | cmunn | Thank |
| 14:02.39 | Kalroth | well in programming terms it is ;) |
| 14:02.48 | cmunn | s/Thank/Thanks/ |
| 14:02.57 | Kalroth | I know that sticky in real life usually means something else .. |
| 14:03.41 | wereHamster | it's kind of hard to do sticky frames.. what do you do if the user moves a frame near two other frames? to shick frame do you stick it then? |
| 14:04.11 | Kalroth | first off, you'd only sticky frames you know and can control |
| 14:04.40 | Kalroth | and if the user moves a frame manually then that particular frame isn't sticky to anything anymore |
| 14:04.42 | wereHamster | sure.. but it still leaves the problem to which frame to stick it when there are two candidates |
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| 14:04.51 | Kalroth | but all frames stuck to it will move of course |
| 14:06.01 | Kalroth | wereHamster: then it should stick to the one in which direction you're moving it |
| 14:06.44 | Kalroth | I don't care about that though, I just want top stickyness :P |
| 14:06.46 | Josh_Borke | what if you move a frame up between 2 frames? |
| 14:06.53 | wereHamster | I've found it horribly difficult to add this feature to my addon.. first, layout-cache doesn't save the scale... |
| 14:06.55 | Kalroth | Josh_Borke: then you're moving it up :) |
| 14:07.45 | wereHamster | and then the save the anchoring to SavedVariables.. the code is ugly ;) |
| 14:08.41 | Kalroth | 99% of all code is ugly :) |
| 14:09.09 | wereHamster | not mine :) |
| 14:09.21 | wereHamster | .. at least not the newer code I wrote |
| 14:09.34 | Kalroth | If you think your code is pretty then you need to get out more! |
| 14:10.05 | Elkano | hiho :) |
| 14:10.33 | Elkano | Is there sth like metrognome for events? (so you don't need your own frame in order to catch events) |
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| 14:26.48 | id` | Cairenn|sleep: I love the wowi portal feature and bugreport RSS :P |
| 14:27.24 | id` | Im using Alertbear (wich doesnt serve rss as email but its a desktop app that pops up a stack of items) for a week now |
| 14:27.27 | id` | and i love it |
| 14:27.36 | id` | its bringing me all the useless information that i need |
| 14:27.50 | id` | dictionary.com word of the day, like 20 comic strips |
| 14:27.52 | id` | etc |
| 14:28.47 | Josh_Borke | ilol |
| 14:29.14 | Wobin_ | hehe JB: that the next iPod? =P |
| 14:30.28 | Josh_Borke | how'd you know? :-P |
| 14:33.30 | Wobin_ | iDunno =) |
| 14:37.22 | id` | heh |
| 14:37.26 | id` | i mean |
| 14:37.28 | id` | iHeh |
| 14:38.09 | Josh_Borke | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.44 | Josh_Borke | morning Cairenn |
| 14:43.48 | Cairenn | morning |
| 14:44.30 | wereHamster | morning |
| 14:45.50 | Maldivia | morning |
| 14:46.01 | Wobin_ | morning |
| 14:46.10 | zenzio | morning |
| 14:47.20 | Cairenn | afternoon |
| 14:47.29 | zenzio | you set us up :( |
| 14:47.33 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 14:47.41 | Cairenn | so, how is everyone today? |
| 14:47.44 | krka | is there any way to extract item level in game? |
| 14:48.44 | Maldivia | nope |
| 14:48.55 | krka | how does thott and stuff do it? |
| 14:49.15 | Maldivia | ilevel is stored in the wdc files |
| 14:49.41 | Maldivia | but in lua, you only have access to required level |
| 14:49.46 | Wobin_ | unfortunate |
| 14:50.09 | Maldivia | a lot of people want iLevel though, but I highly doubt they'll ever get it :) |
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| 14:50.49 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4517 |
| 14:50.58 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 14:51.58 | Josh_Borke | ~ugt |
| 14:52.00 | purl | rumour has it, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 14:52.02 | Josh_Borke | :-) |
| 14:52.11 | Maldivia | Cairenn: so it's turned into a request post :) |
| 14:52.21 | Cairenn | yeah, so it seems ... unfortunately |
| 14:52.48 | Cairenn | it's not *really* supposed to be a request post, but ... |
| 14:52.59 | Wobin_ | What else can we ask? =) |
| 14:53.07 | Wobin_ | Especially as addon writers =) |
| 14:53.33 | Cairenn | "bugs and comments/feedback" |
| 14:53.33 | Josh_Borke | why we get notifications about other players beginning a cast, but not party members beginning a cast :-( |
| 14:53.50 | Josh_Borke | does that qualify as a valid question? |
| 14:54.16 | Cairenn | Josh_Borke: It certainly does. Post it |
| 14:54.39 | zenzio | when is E3 this year? |
| 14:55.43 | Maldivia | Cairenn: here's a question for you to ask, if the developers had believed that the UI community would become SO big, with so many active addons in development |
| 14:55.59 | Cairenn | post it |
| 14:56.02 | wereHamster | better so: http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5272/unit4hv.png ? |
| 14:56.42 | Cairenn | see my latest post to the thread ;) |
| 14:57.18 | Josh_Borke | it's getting closer, Silmaril seems ilke a really long name, perhaps you could scrunch the width of the name field even more? |
| 14:58.13 | wereHamster | it's not long.. we had once "Zwergfighter" and even longer names in our raid :) |
| 15:00.27 | Josh_Borke | perhaps then you could create a way to shorten the name if it is too long. it seems that the longest item in that pic is the name field, which makes the entire frame wider |
| 15:00.46 | Josh_Borke | it might help if you gave something else we could compare the size to :-) |
| 15:01.03 | wereHamster | That happens automagically with strings :) |
| 15:01.15 | wereHamster | you'll see: "Silma..." |
| 15:04.47 | Josh_Borke | btw, what does the Alert button do? |
| 15:05.28 | wereHamster | I've tried several times to make good-looking and usable raid frames.. http://dbservice.com/tom/Shag-UI.png <= these were too wide and too small to be clickable by healers |
| 15:06.01 | wereHamster | http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/shag-ui-raid.png <= the healer told me it's hard to click the units again.. and probably too small, too |
| 15:06.05 | Josh_Borke | indeed, much too wide and too short |
| 15:06.31 | Josh_Borke | the second one looks like it could work |
| 15:06.50 | Josh_Borke | if you made it so you could click any portion of the unit (name or bars or around the name) |
| 15:07.04 | wereHamster | the first attempt looks really good IMO.. and you can easily see who has debuffs |
| 15:08.00 | wereHamster | Sure, any portion, but in the second attempt it is hard to distinguish the units.. where does the unit frame start and stop? |
| 15:08.42 | Josh_Borke | true, i'd want it to be the entire area around the name, ie from the borders of the Group box |
| 15:08.56 | Josh_Borke | gotta have numbers/percentages too |
| 15:09.05 | Josh_Borke | well, i do, others might not |
| 15:09.47 | Josh_Borke | with the second, why not put the debuffs beside the names? |
| 15:09.51 | wereHamster | are you a healer? 'cos I'm a tank :-P |
| 15:09.57 | Josh_Borke | yea, i play a paladin |
| 15:10.36 | wereHamster | I figured.. debuffs aren't that important for me :) |
| 15:10.50 | Josh_Borke | yea :-) |
| 15:11.08 | Josh_Borke | you could do buffs to the left of the name and debuffs to the right |
| 15:11.43 | wereHamster | I've never really released the versions.. |
| 15:12.08 | Josh_Borke | yea, i'm just giving my opinion :-) |
| 15:12.21 | Josh_Borke | but you didn't answer the Alert question :-) |
| 15:13.15 | wereHamster | ah.. to warn about .. debuffs, low health etc |
| 15:13.21 | wereHamster | or missing buffs etc |
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| 15:14.22 | wereHamster | http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3136/unit0kx.png <= fullscreen screenshot |
| 15:15.25 | wereHamster | I can't deny that I've used PCUF to design my unit-frame :) |
| 15:15.52 | Josh_Borke | def way too big for an entire raid :-) |
| 15:16.31 | Kalroth | Yeah, waaay too big :) |
| 15:19.50 | Kalroth | wereHamster: http://acdev.org/raidy.jpg this is how much space I use with CTRA |
| 15:21.48 | wereHamster | Kalroth, are you a healer? |
| 15:22.14 | Kalroth | Nope, I'm a warrior, it should show from the screenshot :) |
| 15:22.48 | Cide | I'm a priest :) |
| 15:22.52 | Kalroth | healers usually use emergency monitor or MTTs target though |
| 15:22.58 | Kalroth | not the actual CTRA windows |
| 15:23.07 | wereHamster | well.. healer want big frames to see who neads to be healed, all other small frames |
| 15:23.18 | Cide | I don't realy |
| 15:23.19 | Cide | really* |
| 15:23.26 | Cide | emergency monitor is kind of useless for BWL+ |
| 15:23.36 | Cide | if you want to heal in a smart way, at least |
| 15:23.53 | wereHamster | to give you an idea how much space it would take in a 40-man raid: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4051/unit3ye.jpg |
| 15:24.07 | Cide | way too much for me |
| 15:24.19 | Cide | one sec |
| 15:24.21 | Kalroth | Cide: well it depends on what you're healing of course |
| 15:24.35 | Kalroth | Cide: if you're a MT healer, then you couldn't care less about the rest of the raid :) |
| 15:24.49 | Cide | we assign healing per fight (well, I usually do) |
| 15:24.50 | Kalroth | Cide: and if you're not, then emergancy monitor is usually ok |
| 15:24.58 | Kalroth | yup, we do too |
| 15:25.04 | Cide | but I still keep all windows up |
| 15:25.12 | Cide | in case anyone needs a spot heal or whatever |
| 15:25.17 | Kalroth | exactly |
| 15:25.30 | Kalroth | but it should be easy to spot who needs a heal, even with my setup |
| 15:25.33 | Cide | emergency monitor works.. but for BL/fankriss/whatever clear it's rather useless |
| 15:25.45 | Kalroth | for BL you use MTT target :) |
| 15:26.05 | Kalroth | Fankriss you either heal the small bug tanks or the MT, the rest is fluff :P |
| 15:26.06 | Cide | BL clear, I mean |
| 15:26.10 | Kalroth | ah |
| 15:26.15 | Cide | and we aoe on fankriss |
| 15:26.20 | Kalroth | ick! |
| 15:26.29 | Cide | so there's some crazy whack-a-mole on mages there, too |
| 15:26.33 | Cide | do you fear? :P |
| 15:26.36 | Kalroth | nope |
| 15:26.43 | Kalroth | we offtank all the small bugs |
| 15:26.47 | Kalroth | tons and tons easier |
| 15:27.03 | Kalroth | put a tank on each spawn spot, 2 healers on each tank |
| 15:27.06 | Cide | http://ctmod.net/blighted/ui.jpg |
| 15:27.12 | Kalroth | 2 tanks on Fankriss for rotation |
| 15:27.17 | Cide | that's how much space my raid frames take up |
| 15:27.22 | Kalroth | 1 whatever for the enraged snakes |
| 15:27.53 | Cide | very easy to see who needs a heal without having them big |
| 15:28.01 | Cide | I'm having ctra display all frames at 50% alpha |
| 15:28.06 | Cide | scales up to 100% as their life goes down |
| 15:28.13 | Kalroth | ahh, sexy |
| 15:28.18 | Kalroth | I didn't know of that feature |
| 15:28.26 | Cide | added it in 1.5 or so |
| 15:28.40 | Cide | very easy for the eye to spot such changes |
| 15:28.50 | Kalroth | but as said above, I'm not a healer, so I only need the general overview |
| 15:29.34 | Cide | yeah |
| 15:30.00 | Kalroth | I was pondering about making a "health calculator" the other day, but I don't know if it'd work |
| 15:30.26 | Cide | elaborate :) |
| 15:30.33 | Kalroth | basically it'd calculate a tanks health from combatlog, it should be faster than server updates, no? |
| 15:31.17 | Cide | eh, maybe |
| 15:31.20 | sarf|sleep | Remember 40 yard healing => no events from tank health |
| 15:31.34 | Kalroth | sarf, if you're more than 40 yards away then you aren't his healer :) |
| 15:31.34 | Cide | it'd be negligible + quite slow string parsing |
| 15:31.36 | Kalroth | (I hope!) |
| 15:31.38 | sarf|stuff | Err |
| 15:31.45 | sarf|stuff | The limit goes at ~30 yards |
| 15:31.51 | Kalroth | for combatlog? |
| 15:32.01 | sarf|stuff | Methinks so |
| 15:32.13 | Cide | I think it's a bit more than 30, but it's somewhere around 30-40 |
| 15:32.21 | Kalroth | well the combatlog was the potential problem I ran into :) |
| 15:32.21 | sarf|stuff | It's less than 35 |
| 15:32.26 | Kalroth | I don't know if it's accurate enough |
| 15:32.29 | Cide | I remember our hunters complaining because my mod to log Expose Weakness (dragonstalker 8 bonus) didn't work for them |
| 15:32.39 | Cide | turned out they didn't get combat log messages because they stand at 41 yards |
| 15:32.42 | sarf|stuff | Because as a Hunter I don't get my pet attacks visible in combat log |
| 15:32.52 | Kalroth | Pfft, they were probably busy FDing anyways! |
| 15:33.01 | Cide | probably :P |
| 15:33.06 | sarf|stuff | Cide> You turned to UNIT_AURA and texture detection instead? |
| 15:33.13 | Cide | yep |
| 15:33.20 | Kalroth | Everytime the wall cracks on Huhuran we see 4-5 hunters FD instantly :P |
| 15:33.34 | Cide | they usually die anyway :P |
| 15:33.35 | wereHamster | Cide.. this alpha change when someone needs a heal is a nice idea.. maybe I should hide all frames and show only when 1) someone needs heal 2) someone needs to be debuffed 3) someone needs a buff |
| 15:33.58 | Cide | I wouldn't want them completely hidden |
| 15:34.06 | Cide | I do stuff to people with full health all the time |
| 15:34.08 | Kalroth | the problem with totally dynamic frames is that you can't target them for other purposes |
| 15:34.09 | sarf|stuff | Like how Blizzard raid default thingy works with buffs/debuffs? |
| 15:34.17 | Cide | pre-pull shields, mind vision, renew, etc :) |
| 15:34.27 | Kalroth | Cide: PI on mages when you want them to overaggro! |
| 15:34.35 | Cide | I'm useful and specced lightwell :P |
| 15:34.49 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 15:34.52 | Cide | it is, actually, very useful |
| 15:35.03 | sarf|stuff | Yeah |
| 15:35.05 | Kalroth | unless you've got a dot on you or is being hit :) |
| 15:35.09 | Cide | yeah |
| 15:35.16 | wereHamster | ... with a hotkey to show all frames |
| 15:35.18 | Kalroth | not many fights in AQ40 it's useful, other than Emps |
| 15:35.19 | sarf|stuff | Well, it also requires people to click the Lightwell |
| 15:35.23 | Cide | but it rocks for.. sartura, bug trio, emps, huhuran |
| 15:35.26 | Cide | in AQ alone |
| 15:35.43 | Kalroth | well it might be handy on huhuran for the guys in the back, I guess |
| 15:35.50 | Kalroth | but I'm a part of the wall, so .. |
| 15:35.52 | Cide | for pre-30% |
| 15:35.57 | Cide | yeah, sucks for you then :) |
| 15:36.12 | wereHamster | what wall? |
| 15:36.23 | Kalroth | on sartura it could be handy once the adds is down, true |
| 15:36.25 | Cide | you need 15 people (ideally) with 315 nature resist |
| 15:36.32 | sarf|stuff | 315? |
| 15:36.35 | Cide | well |
| 15:36.38 | wereHamster | ah.. we have rogues and warriors there |
| 15:36.39 | Cide | most people don't reach that, but ideally |
| 15:36.42 | Kalroth | max NR anyways |
| 15:36.47 | Kalroth | I got around 280 |
| 15:36.48 | Cide | be right back! |
| 15:36.52 | Cide | (dinner) |
| 15:36.55 | Kalroth | :) |
| 15:37.00 | sarf|stuff | so ideally 378 |
| 15:37.08 | Kalroth | sarf, why 378? |
| 15:37.20 | Kalroth | 315 is supposed max |
| 15:37.28 | Kalroth | level of boss*5 |
| 15:37.28 | sarf|stuff | (since 300 => max resist vs L50s on Blizz homepage, we assume level * 6 => max resistance, L63 * 6...) |
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| 15:37.50 | sarf|stuff | As said, the scale on the homepage was up to 300 for a level *fifty* mob spell |
| 15:38.01 | Kalroth | hrm |
| 15:38.07 | sarf|stuff | Hence, I assume that it scales linearly upwards |
| 15:38.30 | Qzot | Buenath diath. |
| 15:38.33 | sarf|stuff | (which is why I am trying to convince my officers that I need fiery chain girdle and shoulders) |
| 15:38.41 | Kalroth | I've always read that it was 5 per level |
| 15:38.43 | sarf|stuff | Greetings, Qzot |
| 15:39.04 | sarf|stuff | Kalroth> So would I - however, their example used 300 as max vs L50 mob, so... <shrug> |
| 15:39.32 | Kalroth | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/resistances.html <- 250 :) |
| 15:39.36 | Kalroth | not 300 |
| 15:39.59 | sarf|stuff | Oh! |
| 15:40.02 | sarf|stuff | My bad then |
| 15:40.04 | Kalroth | which makes it 5 per level, so 315 :) |
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| 15:41.25 | Kalroth | it sucks that there aren't that many good NR items out there though |
| 15:41.26 | sarf|stuff | Indeed! |
| 15:41.30 | sarf|stuff | My bad |
| 15:41.38 | sarf|stuff | But there are - on all the URBS |
| 15:41.46 | sarf|stuff | or is that ORBs? |
| 15:41.49 | sarf|stuff | Any case |
| 15:42.01 | sarf|stuff | Outdoor Raid Bosses |
| 15:42.05 | sarf|stuff | Dragons and stuff. |
| 15:42.19 | sarf|stuff | Just farm them for a while :) |
| 15:42.20 | Kalroth | yes yes :) |
| 15:42.34 | Kalroth | we kill those too, but there isn't much for non-tanks |
| 15:42.46 | sarf|stuff | Our big guilds had their hands full the days after 1.10 when the dragons kept respawning as soon as you whacked the last dragon |
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| 15:43.01 | Kalroth | yeah, we didn't get that bug on EU servers >< |
| 15:43.06 | Kalroth | our server didn't anyways |
| 15:43.15 | sarf|stuff | Silvermoon (EU) got it ^^ |
| 15:43.19 | Kalroth | oh? hrmf! |
| 15:43.25 | sarf|stuff | Of course, we also get server queues but... |
| 15:43.38 | Kalroth | there was some respawn wackyness, but we only killed 8-10 greenies during that week |
| 15:43.58 | Kalroth | and for some reason all the easy dragons was always taken :P |
| 15:44.47 | wereHamster | I think my guild killed 9 dragons on the maintenance day |
| 15:44.55 | Kalroth | lol |
| 15:45.09 | wereHamster | at least more than the normal amount |
| 15:45.09 | Tain | I solod five! |
| 15:45.46 | Qzot | Ha! I kited one with my mage to a 2nd, and solod both with one finger. |
| 15:45.54 | Tain | Woah! |
| 15:46.15 | Qzot | ...over a 9600 baud modem connection. |
| 15:46.22 | Qzot | ...uphill both ways. |
| 15:46.49 | Tain | One of my favorite game bugs ever was in EverQuest, for about 8 or 10 hours after a patch they made a mistake on some spell IDs. And I had a spear with a proc on it. |
| 15:47.01 | Tain | Well for those hours after the patch the proc was a dragon's AE fire. |
| 15:47.06 | sarf|stuff | ^^ |
| 15:47.25 | Tain | The only problem was it hit me too, but at least I was ready for it. :) |
| 15:47.32 | cmunn | Could someone help me understand this CTRA Channel Message? http://wow.pastebin.com/671508 |
| 15:47.38 | cmunn | It's the one that starts with "S " |
| 15:48.08 | sarf|stuff | Detects that someone has been buffed it seems |
| 15:50.07 | Kalroth | yeah, full string would be something like "S B notused notused noidea buffname player" |
| 15:50.47 | Cide | no :) |
| 15:50.58 | cmunn | Yea... |
| 15:51.00 | Cide | S B .. means there's a buff update |
| 15:51.03 | Kalroth | Cide: pfft, you wouldn't know your own strings anyways! |
| 15:51.04 | Cide | so it sends all buffs, pretty much |
| 15:51.15 | cmunn | Same as RN? |
| 15:51.22 | cmunn | Or they provide different functions? |
| 15:51.25 | Cide | I don't know :P |
| 15:51.33 | Kalroth | lol |
| 15:51.47 | Cide | S B texture timeLeft buffName # B texture2 timeLeft2 buffName2 # |
| 15:51.59 | Kalroth | ahh |
| 15:52.08 | Kalroth | so it's a long string of all buff |
| 15:52.10 | Kalroth | buffs* |
| 15:52.13 | Cide | ya |
| 15:52.14 | cmunn | Awesome, thanks |
| 15:52.26 | Cide | RN is just for buff renewal |
| 15:52.56 | cmunn | So S B would be used in cases like a response to an SR? |
| 15:53.06 | sarf|stuff | Where is "S B" sent anyhow? |
| 15:53.07 | krka | time to go home from work, yay! |
| 15:53.14 | Cide | it might be deprecated now |
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| 15:53.22 | cmunn | Ahh |
| 15:53.27 | Kalroth | aww, poor message |
| 15:53.31 | Cide | I might've removed the call to send it but forgotten to remove the check |
| 15:53.32 | wereHamster | Cide, did you never have problems with too long messages? the max size is 255bytes I think |
| 15:53.44 | Cide | it splits them up into several small ones if that's the case |
| 15:53.53 | cmunn | Yes, very smart it is... |
| 15:53.54 | sarf|stuff | BTW, I hope the "Unregister events while zoning" is going to get added in soon :) |
| 15:54.04 | Kalroth | isn't it already in? |
| 15:54.05 | Cide | ctra ignores events when zoning |
| 15:54.11 | Cide | doesn't unregister, just ignores them |
| 15:54.25 | cmunn | Yus, read your code, then complain <3 |
| 15:54.34 | sarf|stuff | In what version? |
| 15:54.49 | Cide | elseif ( CT_RAFrame.disableEvents and event ~= "PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD" ) then return |
| 15:54.54 | Kalroth | 1.5.3? |
| 15:54.58 | Cide | 1.531 or 1.532 |
| 15:55.10 | sarf|stuff | Prolly 1.532+ since I have 1.531 |
| 15:55.13 | cmunn | What was added in 1.532? |
| 15:55.20 | Cide | you think I know that? |
| 15:55.21 | Cide | :P |
| 15:55.21 | sarf|stuff | (with my own unregister/register thingies ^^ ) |
| 15:55.34 | Cide | I don't remember half the changes I do |
| 15:55.39 | Cide | Ts maintains the changelog |
| 15:55.40 | cmunn | Do you keep copies of old versions? |
| 15:55.44 | Cide | not really |
| 15:55.46 | cmunn | Ts? |
| 15:55.47 | Tain | I don't know if it's even measurable, but it does have to process those if statements hundreds of times still every zone. |
| 15:55.58 | Cide | the other person on the ct team |
| 15:56.04 | Kalroth | it was in the latest beta version, sarf, it was some of the changes I noticed |
| 15:56.06 | sarf|stuff | cmunn> Don't worry, just ask half your raid, they'll be using a non-new version |
| 15:56.07 | Cide | Tain: perhaps, but it's easier to maintain this way |
| 15:56.12 | cmunn | Ahh, what's he do? |
| 15:56.12 | Kalroth | sarf, hahah |
| 15:56.20 | Kalroth | ./raver is always a blast :) |
| 15:56.21 | Cide | and I'm pretty certain it's negligible |
| 15:56.35 | Cide | not our guild ;) |
| 15:56.41 | Cide | they're damned to use beta versions |
| 15:56.45 | wereHamster | what does /raver do? |
| 15:56.45 | Tain | Hard to argue. :) It may well be negiligible, I certainly wouldn't know one way or the other. Just that it's a possibility. |
| 15:56.50 | sarf|stuff | Cide> How so? Just have a table with the events then loop thru them, unregging / regging as you go |
| 15:56.56 | Kalroth | wereHamster: lists versions of everyone in the raid |
| 15:57.00 | sarf|stuff | (spam) |
| 15:57.01 | sarf|stuff | function CT_RA_OnEvent(event) |
| 15:57.01 | sarf|stuff | if ( event == "PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD" ) then |
| 15:57.01 | sarf|stuff | for k,v in CT_RA_events do |
| 15:57.01 | sarf|stuff | this:RegisterEvent(v); |
| 15:57.01 | sarf|stuff | end |
| 15:57.03 | sarf|stuff | elseif ( event == "PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD" ) then |
| 15:57.05 | sarf|stuff | for k,v in CT_RA_events do |
| 15:57.08 | sarf|stuff | this:UnregisterEvent(v); |
| 15:57.09 | sarf|stuff | end |
| 15:57.10 | Cide | yeah, I guess |
| 15:57.11 | sarf|stuff | end |
| 15:57.18 | cmunn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.21 | sarf|stuff | ^^ |
| 15:58.05 | cmunn | Thanks, Sarf |
| 15:58.07 | Cide | wereHamster: displays everyone's version |
| 15:58.16 | Kalroth | the client still got "skipping" issues though, sucks when you zone or move people from groups >< |
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| 15:58.30 | Cide | which I still think is a client issue :/ |
| 15:58.33 | Kalroth | I don't think it's CTRA though |
| 15:58.34 | Kalroth | yeah |
| 15:58.48 | cmunn | Just unload the client... All I use is CTRA, Blizzard's UI is deprecated. |
| 15:59.06 | Kalroth | you can do that? |
| 15:59.14 | sarf|stuff | However, I must admit that I am mightily impressed with CT_RA backwards compatibility, since I've had guildies with 1.4 (or older) CT_RA and they could still communicate with my version (except for /radur) |
| 15:59.19 | cmunn | I just spam "F" and click OK, that's all I do. |
| 15:59.42 | cmunn | sarf|stuff: Yes, now all it needs is a little documentation xD |
| 15:59.55 | sarf|stuff | The Code Is The Documentation! |
| 15:59.57 | Kalroth | sarf, that's only because Cide is too lazy to break the messages! |
| 16:00.07 | Cide | there were a few versions where I couldn't keep it backwards compatible |
| 16:00.11 | Cide | but those were mostly the early versions |
| 16:00.23 | Miravlix | Backwards compatible isn't as hard as it seems. |
| 16:00.33 | Cide | it's not hard, just annoying :) |
| 16:00.33 | sarf|stuff | Don't worry, I'll make an addon that'll throw up some "CTmod.net is hosted by goatse.cx!" |
| 16:00.41 | cmunn | Have you read Cide's code, sarf|stuff? It looks like Perl. |
| 16:00.51 | Kalroth | the goatse domain doesn't work anymore, sarf >< |
| 16:00.56 | Cide | just for you :) |
| 16:00.59 | Cide | it makes perfect sense for me |
| 16:01.00 | cmunn | Thanks <3 |
| 16:01.26 | Kalroth | cmunn: You need to read some real perl code then :) |
| 16:01.27 | Cide | I'm adding some more comments to the raidtracker rewrite I'm doing, though |
| 16:01.32 | sarf|stuff | I've managed to read thru CT_RA without experiencing any major problems (hair loss not included) |
| 16:01.36 | Kalroth | Cide actually codes pretty clean :) |
| 16:01.52 | Cide | some of it, I have to admit, is pretty stupid though |
| 16:01.54 | Tain | Nuh uh he codes while rolling around in mud. |
| 16:01.58 | cmunn | True, it's not perl... but admittedly, I have to keep notes. |
| 16:02.10 | Cide | just ask, cmunn :) |
| 16:02.15 | cmunn | and some of it is stupid, but I'm rewriting that part |
| 16:02.17 | Cide | I should be able to answer without even looking at the code most of the time |
| 16:02.28 | Cide | (in other words, I've spent too much time coding it) |
| 16:02.29 | sarf|stuff | What... is the capital of Albania? |
| 16:02.45 | Kalroth | sarf, Tirana |
| 16:02.49 | Cide | Tirana |
| 16:02.49 | Qzot | About 30 dollars? |
| 16:02.51 | Cide | bah. |
| 16:02.57 | Cide | google loaded slowly! |
| 16:02.59 | Kalroth | Cide: I'm a better googler than you! |
| 16:03.06 | sarf|stuff | "If it were easy to understand, we wouldn't call it code." |
| 16:03.15 | sarf|stuff | "Real men write self-modifying code." |
| 16:03.18 | cmunn | Yes, let it be known that Cide is most helpful with his code. |
| 16:03.20 | sarf|stuff | Favorite : "Code as if whoever maintains your code is a violent psychopath who knows where you live." |
| 16:03.21 | Qzot | Ohhh. Capital city, not GDP-related. |
| 16:03.36 | Kalroth | sarf, "Code to keep your job!" |
| 16:03.40 | cmunn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.43 | cmunn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.48 | [MoonWolf] | what is/are the return values for the function defined closest to line 344 in you main lua file ? |
| 16:03.51 | Tain | sarf|stuff: I always code as if I'm maintaning it so I have that covered. |
| 16:04.02 | sarf|stuff | Kalroth> I don't get paid for coding. |
| 16:04.05 | Cide | nil to not update |
| 16:04.21 | Cide | 1 to update, with the second argument being an optional table containing the names of the people to update |
| 16:04.22 | Miravlix | Sarf: That sucks, then I can't fire you |
| 16:04.23 | Kalroth | sarf, I both do and don't do! |
| 16:04.32 | [MoonWolf] | damnit |
| 16:04.45 | Cide | oh, I was wrong |
| 16:04.47 | Kalroth | As in I spend 8 hours at work coding .. and when I come home, I code some more >< |
| 16:04.59 | Cide | the table is the first argument, I made that all-in-one with 1/nil |
| 16:05.13 | Cide | so a table containing the names of people to update, or nil to not update |
| 16:05.40 | [MoonWolf] | yay for nil and false evaluating to false. |
| 16:05.41 | Cide | oh no! |
| 16:05.46 | sarf|stuff | I just spend my days trying to code a doublebuffered tile-based graphics thingy for mobile phones... but I don't get paid for it. |
| 16:05.48 | Cide | wrong function, I thought it began around there :( |
| 16:05.52 | cmunn | We're talking about parseEvent right? |
| 16:06.12 | Cide | it is.. I thought it was parseMessage, so I'm wrong |
| 16:06.21 | Cide | parseEvent just returns nil |
| 16:06.24 | sarf|stuff | And now, for some salmon. |
| 16:06.26 | cmunn | pwned |
| 16:06.28 | [MoonWolf] | hah, |
| 16:07.15 | Tain | That reminds me, I still have a whole bunch of smoked salmon freshly caught and smoked in Alaska, then packed and shiped over. |
| 16:07.20 | Tain | It is so full of the tasty. |
| 16:07.30 | [MoonWolf] | eat it while it still is. |
| 16:07.48 | Tain | That's the great thing, it's smoked and sealed, it'll last. :) |
| 16:08.09 | Miravlix | Sarf; In your addons with Khaos support, there is a much simpler way to keep Khaos updated. |
| 16:08.10 | Miravlix | Khaos.setSetKey( "ShardTracker", "ShardTracker_Enabled", { checked = true } ) |
| 16:08.10 | Miravlix | Khaos.refresh( false, false, true ) |
| 16:08.20 | cmunn | Cide: Why the translation of ? to S, and $ to s in the ctraChannel messages? |
| 16:08.58 | Cide | Hi, it ish sho fun to decode messhagesh when drunk... hic! |
| 16:09.01 | wereHamster | if you're druken |
| 16:09.25 | Cide | it replaces S with ¤ I believe, s with $ |
| 16:09.29 | Cide | actually, no |
| 16:09.37 | Cide | s with $, S with § |
| 16:09.48 | [MoonWolf] | usefull |
| 16:09.54 | Kalroth | Cide: hahah |
| 16:10.08 | Cide | it also ignores any " ...hic!" at the end of messages |
| 16:10.16 | Kalroth | I never thought of that, but of course a drunk person sends drunk messages :) |
| 16:10.39 | Cide | hehe, there has been a lot of hair pulling done when coding this mod :) |
| 16:10.42 | cmunn | Ahhhh |
| 16:11.00 | cmunn | Wow, I was thinking the process was the reverse |
| 16:11.05 | Cide | it does both |
| 16:11.15 | Miravlix | It translate tells and stuff from our code, when we are drunk? |
| 16:11.15 | Cide | translate to $/§ on send |
| 16:11.22 | Cide | revert back on receiving end |
| 16:11.29 | sarf|salmon | No, it pulls OUR hair when we read his code. |
| 16:11.30 | cmunn | Rather, I was under the impression the communication included the s and S instead of the $ and ? |
| 16:11.32 | sarf|salmon | SALMON! |
| 16:11.48 | Cide | no |
| 16:11.51 | cmunn | so what about players with ? in their name? |
| 16:11.52 | sarf|salmon | Tain> Salmon only gets more tasty with time, like wine, but in a bad way. |
| 16:11.57 | Cide | what? |
| 16:12.02 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 16:12.12 | Cide | see CT_RA_Addmessage |
| 16:12.15 | Cide | AddMessage* |
| 16:12.28 | cmunn | Yea, I was just confused |
| 16:12.44 | Cide | there are so many hacks, hehe |
| 16:12.49 | Miravlix | I want to buy a control char at the beginning of a line, that makes WoW auto ignore the line |
| 16:12.58 | Miravlix | No more seperate channel crap to communicate |
| 16:13.09 | cmunn | But what happens when you get a player named ?oy |
| 16:13.11 | Miravlix | We just use the normal ones with a CTRL-A at the beginning or something |
| 16:13.12 | Cide | it sets auto clear afk to 0 right before sending am essage |
| 16:13.29 | Cide | s/am /a m/ |
| 16:13.50 | Cide | cmunn: I doubt a player can be named ?oy? |
| 16:13.52 | Tain | sarf|salmon: my brother runs part of fishing company in Alaska, he gets the catches off the boats and processes and packs them right there. So we get great salmon sent to us. |
| 16:14.25 | [MoonWolf] | WTB tain's uncle |
| 16:14.28 | [MoonWolf] | PST |
| 16:14.44 | [MoonWolf] | brother even |
| 16:15.00 | Tain | Also plenty of other stuff, there's a 10 lb container of salmon roe in the freezer right now. |
| 16:15.05 | Qzot | Grumble. |
| 16:15.18 | cmunn | HOLY CRAP |
| 16:15.19 | [MoonWolf] | i hate you |
| 16:15.21 | cmunn | WoW uses ASCII |
| 16:15.23 | Qzot | Can anyone think of a good reason why Auctioneer doesn't look at auctions over 80g? |
| 16:15.31 | cmunn | I thought I was using UTF-8 the entire time |
| 16:15.34 | [MoonWolf] | auctioneer is cheap ? |
| 16:15.59 | Tain | Auctioneer had some functions to try to limit weighting people who put in absurd auctions to throw off average prices. |
| 16:16.11 | Qzot | Ugh. |
| 16:16.12 | Tain | 80g limit seems really silly though, so I hope that's not it. |
| 16:16.19 | Qzot | It is. |
| 16:16.23 | cmunn | ? appears as ? in UTF-8 |
| 16:16.41 | Adrine | Auctioneer weighting is a rather amusing thing, really. |
| 16:16.41 | Kalroth | 80g limit for auctions? I highly doubt it's that |
| 16:16.43 | Qzot | Every new version of Auctioneer, I have to paw through the code to find where they hid the new constant. :P |
| 16:16.44 | Miravlix | Anyone know of a Windows utility that hides .files and *~ files like they where hidden? |
| 16:16.49 | cmunn | and ? is a valid name character |
| 16:17.03 | cmunn | Wow, I feel so enlightened... |
| 16:17.04 | Adrine | I'm of the opinion that if you go and buy things based solely on Auctioneer's suggestions, you probably get what you deserve. |
| 16:17.22 | Cide | I'm just seeing |
| 16:17.25 | Cide | (18:16:27) (cmunn) ? appears as ? in UTF-8 |
| 16:17.28 | Qzot | Kalroth: I have a macro for the previous version which multiplies the cap by 100, and print it out. It's 80g. |
| 16:17.42 | Josh_Borke | too much to catch up on |
| 16:17.52 | Qzot | Adrine: I'm with you. Great tool. Lousy master. |
| 16:18.02 | Kalroth | Qzot: Just seems like an odd value, it's way too low :) |
| 16:18.05 | Tain | Yay my Visual Studio 2005 Standard is here! |
| 16:18.17 | Qzot | Kalroth: I agree. It's why I have the macro. :D |
| 16:18.32 | cmunn | Ahh, weird, must be an encoding issue |
| 16:18.37 | cmunn | I'm probably sending UTF-8 or something |
| 16:18.42 | cmunn | My client is odd. |
| 16:19.23 | Cide | I was sad to notice though |
| 16:19.46 | cmunn | ASCII 164 appears as the ASCII 167 Character in UTF-8 [decimal] |
| 16:19.46 | Cide | that characters such as ê are not matched by lua's %a |
| 16:20.02 | cmunn | such as? |
| 16:20.03 | Qzot | I wish deposit was based on vendor price *and* minimum bid price *and* buyout price. |
| 16:20.11 | Cide | e with ^ above it :P |
| 16:20.23 | Kalroth | Qzot: I agree |
| 16:20.24 | cmunn | what's your charset cide? I'll just change mine to match |
| 16:20.33 | Kalroth | Qzot: that'd fix the insane prices |
| 16:20.43 | Qzot | Kalroth: 1% of each would strongly discourge bogus auctions. |
| 16:21.06 | Kalroth | Qzot: "put an item up for 10k gold? sure, deposit is 500 gold!" |
| 16:21.30 | cmunn | Qzot: Agreed. |
| 16:21.33 | Qzot | hehehe |
| 16:21.51 | Tain | Maybe. It would suck for actual big-ticket items though. |
| 16:22.05 | Cide | um, not sure where to look it up |
| 16:22.10 | cmunn | type /charset |
| 16:22.44 | Cide | /charset is an unknown command |
| 16:22.45 | Qzot | 1-3% is just fine as a *deposit* for big-ticket items. You can afford to re-post 5-10 times and make a profit. |
| 16:22.49 | Cide | oh well |
| 16:23.21 | Kalroth | Tain: maybe it'd actually lower the insane price of some of those BoE epic drops :) |
| 16:23.24 | cmunn | fail, what client are you using? |
| 16:23.56 | Tain | That's the thing, the price on those items should be driven by what people are willing to pay, not driven by how much someone is going to lose trying to resell them. |
| 16:24.15 | Tain | All that will happen is you'll have more people sitting outside the AH announcing, "Super Duper BoE Epic for sale! PST!" |
| 16:24.16 | Cide | mIRC here... I'm using xchat normally, but I'm not using that computer, why? |
| 16:24.19 | Qzot | Well, agreed. |
| 16:24.27 | cmunn | Ahh, /charset is the xchat command |
| 16:24.32 | cmunn | mIRC is fail. |
| 16:24.32 | Qzot | I like what I've heard about the EQ2 auction system better. |
| 16:24.43 | Cide | it's not bad, but yeah |
| 16:24.44 | cmunn | What editor do you use for your code? |
| 16:24.47 | Kalroth | Current charset: CP1252 |
| 16:24.49 | Kalroth | odd |
| 16:24.53 | Qzot | No auction. No fees for posting. You can adjust prices. |
| 16:24.54 | Tain | I don't know, I havent' seen it, but WoW's auction system was better than any other before it. |
| 16:24.58 | Wobin_ | These Priest AoE runs through the deadmines are always amusing =P |
| 16:25.09 | Cide | I've been using SciTE for lua, lately |
| 16:25.18 | Tain | Yay for SciTE! |
| 16:25.20 | cmunn | How do you like it? |
| 16:25.24 | Cide | not bad |
| 16:25.31 | Tain | I use SciTE exclusively for Lua now. |
| 16:25.40 | Qzot | Hmm. Do you think [Elementium Ore] is worth 100,000g?? |
| 16:25.46 | Cide | no :) |
| 16:25.49 | Cide | we got lucky last night |
| 16:26.03 | Cide | a goblin pack (in BWL, obviously) respawned for some reason |
| 16:26.10 | Cide | pulled it again and got 4 elementium ore |
| 16:26.18 | Kalroth | :o |
| 16:26.24 | Cide | that was so worth it right there :) |
| 16:26.35 | Kalroth | we rarely get more than max 3 on a full trash clear >< |
| 16:26.45 | Qzot | Heh. Apparently, you can sell that on our server for 400,000g. |
| 16:26.49 | Cide | we got 5 ore in two pulls |
| 16:27.07 | Kalroth | Hrmf! |
| 16:27.23 | Kalroth | well it's not that we need it that bad, we've only made one TF ever |
| 16:27.31 | Cide | we've made.. zero |
| 16:27.34 | Kalroth | and we've got plenty of ore for weapons |
| 16:27.50 | Cide | we're having ~7 people on the AQ scepter line though |
| 16:27.54 | Cide | 10 ore each |
| 16:27.58 | Kalroth | lol! |
| 16:28.07 | Kalroth | why on earth? :) |
| 16:28.14 | Cide | best healing weapon in the game |
| 16:28.22 | Cide | lots of resist gear, too |
| 16:28.31 | Josh_Borke | what's the weapon? |
| 16:28.34 | Kalroth | ah |
| 16:28.37 | Cide | Fang of Korialstrasz |
| 16:28.43 | Kalroth | yeah, the Fang is really nice |
| 16:28.53 | Cide | http://ctprofiles.net/items.ct?i=21523 |
| 16:29.08 | Josh_Borke | yea, too bad paladins can't use it :'( |
| 16:29.08 | Kalroth | Don't you have to do all the events once for all 7? |
| 16:29.16 | Cide | Kalroth: yep |
| 16:29.34 | Kalroth | I bet there's some newbies in Moonglade that dislikes you by now! |
| 16:29.47 | Cide | haven't done eranikus more than once yet :) |
| 16:29.49 | cmunn | Cide: i see this alot http://wow.pastebin.com/671587 Why do we only check if (not update) if ( not unitStats )? why not always? |
| 16:30.09 | Cide | you lost me |
| 16:30.45 | Cide | below that if statement there is |
| 16:30.48 | Cide | tinsert(update, raidid); |
| 16:30.52 | Cide | which assumes that update is a table |
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| 16:31.26 | cmunn | but could we just set update to an empty table when we create it? |
| 16:31.34 | Cide | no |
| 16:31.42 | Cide | because it should only be a table if it has something in it |
| 16:31.49 | cmunn | mmk |
| 16:31.54 | Cide | since "if ( emptyTable )" returns true |
| 16:32.00 | Cide | and it checks for if ( update )" |
| 16:32.46 | cmunn | how many functions use update? |
| 16:32.55 | Cide | the table? |
| 16:32.55 | cmunn | (for checking not returning) |
| 16:32.57 | cmunn | yea |
| 16:33.02 | Cide | um... one? |
| 16:33.19 | Cide | it's a local variable so |
| 16:33.40 | cmunn | so could you just add if (update == { }) then update = nil; end at it's top? |
| 16:34.03 | Cide | it's defined inside the function |
| 16:34.10 | Cide | so it always starts out as nil |
| 16:34.11 | cmunn | hrm... I see |
| 16:34.19 | Cide | local useless, val1, val2, val3, val4, frame, raidid, rank, update; |
| 16:34.26 | cmunn | don't many functions return update? |
| 16:34.50 | Cide | it's still a local variable, so even if many return "update", that wouldn't be the same variable |
| 16:35.04 | cmunn | I meant the structure xD |
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| 16:35.12 | Cide | not really |
| 16:35.45 | cmunn | k |
| 16:39.56 | Josh_Borke | oh yea, aren't keyrings in 1.11? |
| 16:40.16 | wereHamster | you don't want to do that: "if (update == { })" <= always evaluates to false |
| 16:40.41 | Josh_Borke | type(update) == 'table' is probably what he was going for :-) |
| 16:41.56 | cmunn | I was meaning to check if update was an empty table |
| 16:42.30 | wereHamster | next(update) == nil |
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| 16:51.37 | cmunn | It's a pointless argument, the optimization is insignificant, and I've already found a way to remove the check anyways |
| 16:58.30 | cmunn | Anyone know what version of lua WoW uses? |
| 16:58.40 | wereHamster | 5.0 |
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| 16:58.51 | cmunn | Meh, it needs to update to 5.1 |
| 16:59.19 | wereHamster | why? |
| 17:00.30 | cmunn | because I want mystring:sub() instead of string.sub(mystring,) |
| 17:04.48 | Miravlix | You get mystring:sub() without all kinds of weird code? |
| 17:05.44 | Miravlix | Seems every time you try to OO stuff in WoW Lua, you end up doing 30 lines codes for what would take 1 without attempting to be OO. |
| 17:05.45 | cmunn | Yea, mystring is a string, so I can call mystring:sub() instead of having to call string.sub(mystring,) |
| 17:06.01 | cmunn | but only in 5.1 |
| 17:06.03 | cmunn | not 5.0 |
| 17:06.15 | Miravlix | Yeah, I figured that part |
| 17:06.33 | cmunn | It's quite convenient |
| 17:06.55 | Miravlix | Only if I can make my own objects that can be used the same way |
| 17:07.37 | cmunn | Oh, Cide, should a non promoted player (rank == 0) be able to send a SR request? |
| 17:07.44 | Cide | yes |
| 17:07.53 | Miravlix | Otherwise it's just confusing using mystring:sub() and then callthis.sometimes(mystring) mixed |
| 17:08.12 | cmunn | Yes, you can. |
| 17:08.32 | cmunn | But you have to be promoted to use it using the UI? |
| 17:09.00 | Cide | yes |
| 17:09.05 | Josh_Borke | what is SR? |
| 17:09.09 | Cide | Status Request |
| 17:09.20 | cmunn | brb, then I'll ask Why? |
| 17:09.30 | Cide | because people shouldn't force it |
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| 17:09.54 | Cide | but we wanted to have it possible to force, so we made that ability promoted-only |
| 17:10.38 | Miravlix | 300$ for a NFS client |
| 17:10.47 | Josh_Borke | Miravlix: lol |
| 17:10.52 | Josh_Borke | need for speed? ^_^ |
| 17:11.10 | Miravlix | Need for it to work |
| 17:11.51 | Miravlix | NFS Maestro Solo is what I'm evaluating. |
| 17:12.36 | Miravlix | I tried Microsoft Free NFS suit, but that one just is horrible. |
| 17:13.12 | wereHamster | Miravlix, you can use tbl:fnc() .. or isn't this what you want? |
| 17:14.10 | Miravlix | I can only use it if I add 30034774 lines of code to my addon to support it, making it simpler to just do it non OO |
| 17:14.29 | wereHamster | local tbl = {}; functio tbl:fnc().. .end |
| 17:14.44 | wereHamster | I don't see anything special in it |
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| 17:16.57 | Maldivia | *grumble* |
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| 17:17.33 | krka | crap, can't play wow in linux anymore |
| 17:18.06 | Maldivia | previously, it was the "how do I cast multiple spells" posts that bugged me, not it's the "is [mod] banned", "I got banned for using an UI mod - I doen't do anything wrong, all those other progs does nothing no no", "WHat UI mods are allowed" etc... |
| 17:18.23 | Miravlix | Well, go read the lua section on implementing real classes in lua and you will see a bunch of weird solutions, because it isn't simply local tbl = {} function tbl:fnc() end |
| 17:18.44 | krka | how do you define what's a real class? |
| 17:19.14 | Miravlix | One that actually does what I need? |
| 17:19.31 | krka | can't argue with that definition :P |
| 17:19.38 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 17:20.35 | Maldivia | there are so many hacks you can use to make real class-like tables, which you can instanciate etc :) |
| 17:21.32 | wereHamster | krka, why can't you play WoW anymore? |
| 17:21.34 | Maldivia | ohhh, ups I used the H-word, now all my addons will be flagged as being banable... |
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| 17:21.50 | krka | success! |
| 17:21.58 | Kalroth | hooray! |
| 17:22.09 | krka | apt-get install nvidia-glx and a restart of X was all i needed |
| 17:22.30 | krka | now, i run wow, thus finally finish Indent |
| 17:23.52 | krka | why? |
| 17:24.52 | wereHamster | or you don't have debian? |
| 17:25.10 | Wobin_ | Maldivia: I think the thing is, though, you can either consider them 'hacks' or 'clever adaptation' in regards to Lua Classes, since Lua was never specifically designed for OO |
| 17:25.23 | wereHamster | because for debian: "binary == evil" |
| 17:25.29 | Maldivia | :) |
| 17:25.36 | Wobin_ | I think it's rather elegant the way they've made it possible to use classes and such =) |
| 17:25.41 | Wobin_ | metatables are such useful things |
| 17:27.54 | krka | yup i do |
| 17:28.16 | krka | no wereHamster, non-gpl == evil |
| 17:28.22 | krka | debian likes binarys |
| 17:28.25 | krka | it's gentoo that doesn't :P |
| 17:28.53 | Maldivia | gpl is evil... |
| 17:29.04 | Tain | Crazy OSS people. |
| 17:29.17 | Maldivia | BSD license, ftw :) |
| 17:29.26 | krka | i prefer GPL actually :) |
| 17:29.46 | zenzio | I just get confused by the GPL... so much speech of "freedom", and so many restrictions |
| 17:29.54 | Tain | The biggest problem (in my oh-so-humble opinion) is that while licenses are important, it's more important to choose the right tool for the job. |
| 17:30.24 | Maldivia | krka, I hate the restrictions of GPL |
| 17:30.25 | Tain | And I'm not going to choose or not choose something because it's GPL, or BSD or MIT or whatever. |
| 17:30.34 | wereHamster | gentoo has all sorts of binary packages.. and I've never heard that they would want to remove them.. or did I miss something? |
| 17:31.02 | Maldivia | Tain: well, if it's a library, then it's very important what license it is |
| 17:31.05 | Tain | Gentoo has binary packages, but the updating/install tools by default compile everything from source. |
| 17:31.17 | Maldivia | Tain: if it's a program that I'm going to compile/use - I don't really care |
| 17:31.20 | wereHamster | sure I know.. I run gentoo :) |
| 17:31.36 | Maldivia | And gentoo "stole" that from the BSD ports system :) |
| 17:31.43 | Tain | You have to specifically go get the gentoo binaries if you want them, but that's really a side effect. |
| 17:31.55 | wereHamster | whatever.. it works and everything else isn't important |
| 17:32.02 | Tain | That's why I ran Gentoo, it was most like fBSD to me. |
| 17:32.24 | wereHamster | .. sorry by "binary == evil" I meant "binary/closed-source == evil" |
| 17:32.41 | Tain | That's just an absolutely incorrect statement. |
| 17:32.50 | Maldivia | Tain: why even choose a linux, when you know of FreeBSD? |
| 17:33.09 | wereHamster | I've heard that debian wants to remove the nvidia drivers because it's close source |
| 17:33.25 | Tain | Maldivia: I originally ran fBSD, switched to Linux because of some software that I needed to run on Linux and wasn't able to run on BSD at the time. |
| 17:33.27 | Maldivia | troubleshooting binary/closed-source, with no manual/docs = evil |
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| 17:33.34 | Tain | There are some people who want to do that wereHamster, it's a big debate right now. |
| 17:33.44 | Kirkburn | Hellooooo! |
| 17:33.45 | Tain | I think it's the most absurd disucssion. |
| 17:33.51 | Maldivia | Heya Kirk |
| 17:33.57 | Kirkburn | How's everyone? |
| 17:34.00 | Tain | "Let's remove support for video cards because they're closed source and then NOONE can have it!" |
| 17:34.05 | zenzio | isn't there also a fight whether the Linux kernel should go to GPL3 or not? |
| 17:34.10 | Josh_Borke | hola Kirkburn |
| 17:34.19 | wereHamster | never gonna happen @ zenzio |
| 17:34.34 | wereHamster | Linus already said what he thinks about GPLv3 |
| 17:34.42 | Tain | No zenzio, Linus said he wouldn't move the kernel to GPL3 under it's current proposal. |
| 17:35.00 | zenzio | I know, but that doesn't stop people from arguing over it ;) |
| 17:35.17 | Maldivia | again, that's why I like FreeBSD and the BSD license :) |
| 17:35.36 | Tain | As far as I'm concrned Linus saying so is grounds for stopping. :) But I know not everyone thinks so. |
| 17:35.55 | zenzio | I'm with Linus |
| 17:35.58 | Kirkburn | Wow, that's a lot of Cosmos updates for just one week's absense :S I like "New: Interface\AddOns\Libram\IT IS SAFE TO DELETE THIS FOLDER" <-- catchy |
| 17:36.09 | Kirkburn | *absence |
| 17:36.15 | Tain | And I say that not because I think he's infallible, but because in my opinion he's done a fantastic job every step of the way, there's no reason to try to force a change now. |
| 17:36.38 | Tain | When he starts going RMS on us then I'll probably change my own opinon. |
| 17:36.51 | zenzio | I usually stop reading when I see "RMS" |
| 17:37.00 | Kirkburn | It's just not WoWI-Lounge if there's not a linux discussion ... |
| 17:37.08 | krka | GREP GREP GREP |
| 17:37.11 | Tain | ..I run Linux as a WoW AddOn |
| 17:37.28 | Josh_Borke | vim vim vim! |
| 17:37.36 | Tain | vi vi vi is the editor of the beast. |
| 17:37.39 | Kirkburn | In Soviet Russia WoW Addons run you! |
| 17:37.43 | zenzio | I'm not 1337 :( pico |
| 17:37.58 | Tain | I use nano for all of my simple config file editing. |
| 17:38.19 | Kirkburn | So, I have a question. I want to make a website with dynamic content ... Linux server (i.e. PHP) or Windows (ASP)? |
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| 17:38.43 | Gryphen | php |
| 17:38.44 | Kirkburn | I know neither, which makes me go 'whahey!' |
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| 17:38.50 | zenzio | I had a hard enough time figuring how to exit vi the first time I ran it, so I stuck to pico... for anything advanced I just use some Windows program :o |
| 17:39.05 | Tain | Unless you already have something that needs Windows or ASP I'd absolutely go Linux/PHP. |
| 17:39.06 | Iriel | :q! |
| 17:39.07 | Josh_Borke | morning iriel |
| 17:39.11 | Iriel | The only vi command you ever need to know |
| 17:39.13 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 17:39.13 | Iriel | j/k |
| 17:39.14 | Tain | haha |
| 17:39.17 | Iriel | it can be handy sometimes |
| 17:39.34 | zenzio | I'm not saying vi is bad, just that the complexity scared me ;) |
| 17:39.40 | Kirkburn | Ta Gryphen, Tain :) Hello Iriel |
| 17:39.51 | Iriel | Morning all |
| 17:39.52 | krka | Kirkburn, considered JBoss? (Java/jsp) |
| 17:40.01 | Gryphen | my experience with ASP is that everything using it has generally always been really slow |
| 17:40.06 | Tain | Especially if you're starting out fresh with either, I'd definitely rather learn something else than ASP. |
| 17:40.22 | Kirkburn | I have no experience with any dynamic content code whatsoever |
| 17:40.24 | Wobin_ | Kirkburn: ASP.NET is also an option |
| 17:40.34 | Wobin_ | you would write in C# though |
| 17:40.42 | Tain | Gryphen: Part of the problem with ASP was coders who weren't coding to its strenghts, which it does have. In a way. :) |
| 17:40.47 | Wobin_ | cause VB.NET is an abomination |
| 17:40.54 | Maldivia | Iriel: :q! is handy, yes - but there are a lot of more useful commands :) |
| 17:40.58 | krka | grr.. connection to wow is slooow :/ |
| 17:41.02 | krka | i want to test my indent :( |
| 17:41.02 | Kirkburn | So there's quite a few choices :s |
| 17:41.05 | Tain | haha VB.NET is worlds better than every previous version of VB though. |
| 17:41.12 | Tain | But! THere's no reason to use it. |
| 17:41.13 | Maldivia | but it |
| 17:41.18 | Maldivia | it's VB... |
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| 17:41.37 | krka | Very Bad |
| 17:41.39 | Kaelten | Maldivia, kinda, its VB with enough non vb principles to choke on |
| 17:41.42 | Kirkburn | I only want to do very basic dynamic content, just a master page and pages that get put into it. |
| 17:42.01 | Tain | Actually that's the thing, VB.NET is the first iteration of VB that is actually more like other languages. |
| 17:42.24 | Kirkburn | I fear the discussion is swerving away somewhat :) |
| 17:42.29 | Tain | But it's enough so that people who are used to legacy VB aren't goign to know how to take advantage of it, and people who aren't used to VB should be starting with C#. |
| 17:42.30 | krka | proprietary languages FTL |
| 17:42.38 | krka | platform independence FTW |
| 17:42.53 | Tain | Making money for a career is a win for me. |
| 17:43.13 | Maldivia | Kaelten: well, I don't mix well with VB... sort of an inert reaction... |
| 17:43.29 | cmunn | I loved vi |
| 17:43.36 | Tain | I'll do my idealistic propaganda on my own time, sure, as long as I still get paid. |
| 17:43.40 | cmunn | If I could find a good visual implementation of it, I'd be sold. |
| 17:43.49 | Maldivia | cmunn: gvim ? |
| 17:44.02 | Tain | gvim seems to be the choice amongs graphical vimites. |
| 17:44.07 | Iriel | Maldivia : I know enough vi to get emacs installed or to fix my non-booting system |
| 17:44.17 | Josh_Borke | :-( |
| 17:44.20 | cmunn | It is good... but it's lacking something |
| 17:44.21 | krka | i know enough vi to quit vi |
| 17:44.21 | krka | that's it |
| 17:44.29 | Iriel | krka: I find jboss cool but twitchy |
| 17:44.34 | Maldivia | Iriel: I know enough emacs to close it, and start vi or vim :) |
| 17:44.34 | Kirkburn | So *anyway* ... PHP is a good choice then? What about good hosts - 1&1? My current host has few perks and requires me to use their broadband to log in (impossible when abroad) |
| 17:44.38 | Tain | How about Ruby on Rails! |
| 17:45.04 | Iriel | php seems an excellent choice for moderate complexity dynamic web work |
| 17:45.16 | Kalroth | agreed Iriel |
| 17:45.23 | Kirkburn | Cool |
| 17:45.24 | krka | except php as a language SUX |
| 17:45.30 | Kalroth | and with the newer versions it's easy to go abstract if needed as well |
| 17:45.36 | cmunn | For web work, I swear by PHP |
| 17:45.46 | Kalroth | krka: what do you think of lua then? :P |
| 17:45.49 | krka | ZOPE may be an alternative |
| 17:45.53 | Kirkburn | Better than swearing AT it :P |
| 17:45.54 | Maldivia | krka: perl! |
| 17:45.57 | krka | python for the web |
| 17:45.58 | Tain | I don't know anything about PHP really, other than it still makes me laugh that it was originally created as something to do simple pages, and just grew in popularity. Which is good. |
| 17:46.00 | Iriel | There's always WebSphere CE now too |
| 17:46.11 | krka | Kalroth, i really like lua |
| 17:46.16 | Iriel | but, much as I love working in java, it's a bit much for medium-weight wor |
| 17:46.18 | Iriel | +k |
| 17:46.55 | Maldivia | Iriel: Java5 made java a nice OO language to work with :) |
| 17:46.56 | cmunn | Kirkburn: PHP as a language is lacking, but we don't use it for a language.. We use it for it's powerful and easy integration with HTTP and HTML |
| 17:47.05 | Tain | I hate WebSphere. I don't know anything about the language, I just know supporting it from an infrastructure perspective sucked. |
| 17:47.48 | krka | jsp is much nicer to work with than php, imo |
| 17:47.48 | Tain | Which probably was more because of the lack of knoweldge of the people who set it up, but I take my biases where I can get them. |
| 17:47.50 | Iriel | Maldivia : Java was ALREADY nice to work it, it just gets better 8-) |
| 17:47.59 | Tain | Use Mono! |
| 17:48.14 | cmunn | "<Kirkburn> I only want to do very basic dynamic content, just a master page and pages that get put into it." |
| 17:48.25 | krka | anyone in eu that can connect? |
| 17:48.28 | Adrine | PHP isn't a bad language, and it has an amazing standard library, but it makes it really easy to write Stupid Code. |
| 17:48.28 | cmunn | Kirkburn: PHP is a very good choice then |
| 17:48.31 | Gryphen | ssi |
| 17:48.33 | Kirkburn | Okay, I'll stick with php and a linux server :P |
| 17:48.36 | Iriel | Tain: WebSphere CE is basically a bunch of free software components with some IBM code in, it's a nicer proposition than real websphere (which is kind of a pain in the ass) |
| 17:48.42 | sarf|salmon | krka> yep, but I got latency >= 2.7k |
| 17:48.42 | Maldivia | Iriel: now with Java 5, I don't even know how could live without generics, auto-boxing, enums etc in Java :) |
| 17:48.51 | krka | PHP is an ugly language :( |
| 17:48.57 | krka | all those $ |
| 17:49.12 | sarf|salmon | Adrine> There is not now and never will be a language in which it is the least bit difficult to write bad programs. |
| 17:49.21 | Maldivia | krka: go go perl... $ @ % :) |
| 17:49.24 | cmunn | As far as hosting for PHP sites? I use www.fuitadnet.com |
| 17:49.28 | krka | perl is even worse than php |
| 17:49.33 | Kirkburn | I like $, well actually £ |
| 17:49.35 | Adrine | sarf: Of course not, but PHP makes it easier to do. |
| 17:49.35 | krka | python is my favorit p-language |
| 17:49.37 | Iriel | Maldivia : I can't justify java5 for production use yet, so I dont get the benefit for some time |
| 17:49.42 | cmunn | perl doesn't even need variables |
| 17:49.56 | cmunn | just run your function, it'll figure it out. |
| 17:49.57 | krka | scheme doesn't even have variables :P |
| 17:50.03 | Iriel | Maldivia : personally i'm just delighted that next year I lose the last Java 1.3 system I have to support |
| 17:50.04 | Maldivia | Iriel: use 1.5, and compile it with 1.4 compatability ? :) |
| 17:50.07 | krka | well, it does, but it's more of an added feature |
| 17:50.08 | Tain | I think Pascal may be my favorite P language. |
| 17:50.08 | zenzio | I/O is overrated |
| 17:50.11 | cmunn | python is my favourite P-language as well |
| 17:50.18 | krka | pascal is kinda ugly, imo |
| 17:50.27 | krka | it was designed the way it was just to simplify compiling |
| 17:50.34 | cmunn | O.o |
| 17:50.37 | krka | design the language for the coders instead |
| 17:50.40 | cmunn | Where did Cide run off to? |
| 17:50.45 | Wobin_ | ew Reminds me of Eiffel |
| 17:50.51 | Maldivia | Iriel: well, luckily, the project I'm working on right now, is a Java5 project :) |
| 17:50.57 | Kalroth | cmunn: I'm guessing AQ40 or BWL :) |
| 17:50.59 | Tain | I still think Pascal is one of the better languages for someone to start learning on. |
| 17:51.17 | Tain | You're not going to be using it later, but it's a good way to start learning structure. |
| 17:51.22 | Kirkburn | How is it possible to have pop-up layers without getting an active content warning in IE? I used a Dreamweaver template with java in-built, but of course it doesn't work. |
| 17:51.32 | Adrine | Tain: I'd have to agree, oddly enough. |
| 17:51.32 | cmunn | meh |
| 17:51.38 | krka | i think Lua is good for beginners |
| 17:51.41 | Adrine | We use Delphi in-house for a lot of legacy stuff. |
| 17:51.42 | krka | probably the best i've encountered |
| 17:51.48 | Kalroth | Adrine: same |
| 17:51.56 | krka | apart from haskell |
| 17:51.57 | Adrine | Lua doesn't teach you things like type safety or memory management. |
| 17:51.57 | Tain | Lua is only good for beginners if you have a hard-ass teacher who won't let you screw yourself. |
| 17:52.08 | Maldivia | Tain: for structures etc, yes... but variables are case-insensitive, which will be a major shock, when they move on to Java, C#, C++ etc |
| 17:52.18 | krka | eep! |
| 17:52.19 | Adrine | Are they? I'd never noticed :) |
| 17:52.21 | Tain | If you're learning from scratch all Lua will do is scrwe you over. |
| 17:52.26 | krka | the latest patch won't work for me |
| 17:52.32 | krka | BNupdate crashes |
| 17:52.33 | krka | :( |
| 17:52.35 | Adrine | And if people are differentiating variables with capitalization, they need to be shot, IMHO. |
| 17:52.43 | Maldivia | krka: the 1.10.2 PTR patch ? |
| 17:52.56 | krka | dunno |
| 17:53.00 | krka | the one i just had to download |
| 17:53.41 | Adrine | Pascal's a good teaching language. I dislike the academic tendancy to teach with Java, truth be told, because Java relies so very heavily on its standard library, and completely shelters the student from memory management. |
| 17:54.15 | Maldivia | Adrine: A part of the project I'm working on right now, had already been implemented in pascal for the program, the project is going to replace. In a single source file I had to convert to Java, the same variable was spelled differently 5 times (with different caps) |
| 17:54.31 | Adrine | Heh. |
| 17:54.38 | Adrine | Now that is a bit lazy. ;) |
| 17:54.57 | Tain | That's still a coder problem, not a language problem. |
| 17:54.58 | Kalroth | Even more silly that Java is variable case sensitive, imo |
| 17:55.03 | Iriel | Hell no |
| 17:55.05 | Tain | You could have similar issues anywhere. |
| 17:55.06 | Iriel | I hate case INsensitivity |
| 17:55.26 | Kalroth | I hate variable names where case is an issue :) |
| 17:55.26 | krka | hmm... which language has case-insensitive? |
| 17:55.32 | Kalroth | Pascal |
| 17:55.34 | Kalroth | heh |
| 17:55.42 | krka | oh.. i had forgotten that |
| 17:55.46 | Kirkburn | I propose a Universal Language. It's spoken by most of the world and is simple to write, based upon a 26 character system, where the grammar is formed by grouping these 'characters' in groups, to form 'words'. Each 'word' has a specific meaning in each sentence and can easily be translated into actions by a 'brain'. |
| 17:55.51 | id` | "AceGUI is a development tool to make it easy to develop GUI's. Here is a link to its post in the wowace forums." |
| 17:55.53 | Kalroth | C/C++ is insensitive too, no? |
| 17:55.54 | krka | pascal was actually my second language |
| 17:55.59 | krka | basic was my first |
| 17:56.01 | zenzio | Esperanto? |
| 17:56.03 | Adrine | Case-insensitivity allows lazy programming |
| 17:56.07 | Adrine | And I believe C/C++ is case-sensitive |
| 17:56.08 | id` | 322 people have AceGUI in their favorites |
| 17:56.14 | Iriel | Kalroth : no. |
| 17:56.15 | Adrine | QBasic was my very first language. Heh. |
| 17:56.15 | Kalroth | variablecasing indicates lazy programming? :) |
| 17:56.20 | krka | yeah me too Adrine |
| 17:56.22 | Tain | Whitespace is case-insensitive. |
| 17:56.30 | Kirkburn | Heh, yep, definately esperanto. Lots of people speak that. |
| 17:56.34 | krka | the taint has never fully left me yet |
| 17:56.34 | Adrine | Kalroth: No, case indifference allows lazy programming |
| 17:56.45 | id` | Kalroth: variablecasing doesnt indicate case sensitivity |
| 17:56.47 | Iriel | QBasic was cool if you had the compiler |
| 17:56.52 | Adrine | I started down the programmer's path by hacking Nibbles. :) |
| 17:57.31 | Maldivia | C64 Basic! |
| 17:57.31 | krka | anyway.... anyone with linux that has experienced the BNUpdate failure after the patch? |
| 17:57.34 | Tain | More people should be using Logo. |
| 17:57.34 | krka | and know how to solve it |
| 17:57.42 | Tain | 64k ROM BASIC |
| 17:57.49 | krka | TI-82 basic FTW |
| 17:58.12 | Adrine | I started in QBasic, then moved (briefly) to Visual Basic, and then started in on C++ in high school, and never looked back. |
| 17:58.14 | Maldivia | Ti-83! |
| 17:58.15 | Tain | Hey I used to save my BASIC programs to casette tape with my TI 99/4a |
| 17:58.18 | Adrine | TI-82 BASIC was awesome. |
| 17:58.23 | Iriel | How about Forth? |
| 17:58.36 | Adrine | I spent high school figuring out how to make my calculator do all the work for me in my calculus classes. |
| 17:59.05 | krka | i spent high school writing adventure / action games |
| 17:59.10 | krka | for ti-82 |
| 17:59.42 | krka | damn it |
| 17:59.46 | krka | i want to test my code |
| 17:59.51 | krka | wrote it days ago |
| 17:59.53 | krka | and still haven't tested it in game |
| 17:59.56 | krka | frustrating |
| 18:00.14 | Adrine | krka: You could do what I did, stub the WoW functions and test it with the lua binary :D |
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| 18:00.34 | krka | i have already tested the algorithm |
| 18:00.44 | krka | no need to stup |
| 18:00.46 | krka | stub |
| 18:01.26 | krka | hmm... how do i patch cedega? |
| 18:01.28 | krka | anyone have a patch for me? |
| 18:01.40 | Ktron | hey kremonte |
| 18:01.46 | Ktron | s/kremonte/krka/ |
| 18:01.51 | krka | hey |
| 18:02.20 | Kalroth | haha |
| 18:03.04 | Josh_Borke | oh man, ti-82, where i did my first real programming |
| 18:03.16 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:03.31 | Josh_Borke | morning ckknight :-) |
| 18:03.32 | Ktron | so krka, did you get the highlighter/tabber working? |
| 18:03.41 | Ktron | for multiline things and all that? |
| 18:03.42 | Kirkburn | Can I have an opinion on this please? :) http://seis.bris.ac.uk/~gp3509/Chig2/ |
| 18:03.58 | Josh_Borke | it's a complicated url |
| 18:04.00 | Adrine | I never did anything heavy-duty on the 82, but I did build a serial data transfer cable from a blueprint I found on the internet :D |
| 18:04.08 | Adrine | I think it cost me abut $6 in parts. |
| 18:04.09 | krka | Ktron, yes |
| 18:04.14 | Ktron | Kirkburn, Inconceivable! |
| 18:04.17 | krka | gonna test it, as soon as i repair my wow |
| 18:04.19 | Adrine | Cable for computer<->calculator |
| 18:04.33 | krka | must be another cedega use here |
| 18:04.53 | Kirkburn | Silly people around here, aren't you :P |
| 18:05.35 | Iriel | Beladona may be a cedega user, not sure |
| 18:05.55 | krka | i want instant help damn it :) |
| 18:06.04 | Kirkburn | Josh_Borke, I'm about to buy a new domain, so I'll make it easier for you, okay? 8-) |
| 18:06.13 | Ktron | krka, I got the multiline business working for mine, but I'm only about halfway through getting highlighting and indenting working |
| 18:06.47 | krka | i am completely done with that |
| 18:06.50 | krka | want my code? |
| 18:06.51 | Miravlix | krka: Whats the problem? |
| 18:06.51 | Adrine | Google Calendar just released their API. |
| 18:06.57 | krka | only thing left is setting caret position |
| 18:07.07 | Adrine | I'm really tempted to write an in-game calendar mod that synchs with Google Calendar |
| 18:07.17 | Elkano | ho ckknight :) did you change sth with HonorFu? it gave me a nil error on TargetEnemyFlagCarrier (or sth like that) when I clicked it in WSG |
| 18:08.09 | ckknight | svn or what? |
| 18:08.53 | Elkano | yes |
| 18:08.55 | krka | hm, this might work |
| 18:09.09 | Ktron | krka, setting caret position? |
| 18:09.22 | ckknight | alright, yea, both HonorFu and BattlegroundFu are getting a major revamp |
| 18:09.26 | krka | yes, after you modify the editbox, the caret will be wrong |
| 18:09.36 | Ktron | krka, I've got the structure in place for indenting and highlighting, its just probably a few lines and a few tests away |
| 18:09.45 | krka | cool |
| 18:10.13 | Elkano | wrt BattlegroundFu: how about adding an option to show the faction bar for the bg's faction? |
| 18:10.29 | ckknight | that's hyperChipmunk's plugin |
| 18:10.30 | Ktron|wow | but I think its WoW time for now |
| 18:10.47 | ckknight | but good idea |
| 18:10.48 | Ktron|wow | how many lines is your code krka ? |
| 18:10.58 | krka | about 700 i think |
| 18:11.03 | krka | 693 |
| 18:11.54 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 18:11.58 | Ktron|wow | Heh, I'm at ~75 at the moment |
| 18:13.01 | krka | impressive! |
| 18:13.33 | Ktron|wow | And that's including the def'ns of the words to highlight |
| 18:13.44 | Ktron|wow | So... maybe I'm not doing something completely useless heh |
| 18:14.06 | krka | as long as you're having fun writing it :) |
| 18:14.07 | Iriel | Are they different approaches to the problem? |
| 18:14.14 | Iriel | Or are they equivalent implementations? |
| 18:14.18 | Ktron|wow | Iriel, they might be, I'm not sure |
| 18:14.27 | krka | can someone send me Repair.exe? |
| 18:14.38 | Ktron|wow | I saw his old code, and I've changed my approach a little from there, I haven't seen his new code |
| 18:14.40 | Tain | Oh no, Palladium Books is going out of business. :( |
| 18:14.40 | krka | most likely different approaches |
| 18:14.45 | Ktron|wow | And he's never seen my code |
| 18:15.05 | Ktron|wow | yeah, I'm just enjoying the goal of trying to write useful code |
| 18:15.12 | krka | i lost Repair.exe, now i can't patch :( |
| 18:15.14 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.32 | Adrine | http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/Repair.zip |
| 18:15.39 | Tain | Oh man I had no idea a Rifts movie was trying to be worked on with Bruckheimer at the helm. |
| 18:16.21 | Ktron|wow | is there a /command for ArcaneBar? |
| 18:16.26 | Wobin_ | I love wool farming |
| 18:16.28 | krka | thanks |
| 18:17.12 | zenzio | it seems sort of rude that if you don't move the mouse while logging in, the hand will be pointing at your character's crotch in the character selection screen |
| 18:17.37 | Adrine | zenzio: Obviously, you need to roll another race ;) |
| 18:17.51 | zenzio | :x |
| 18:17.58 | Wobin_ | zenzio: at which point you could be pointing at their forehead |
| 18:18.22 | krka | maybe i am best of just copying my brothers installation |
| 18:19.24 | Adrine | WoW doesn't require any registry keys to run, so a straight copy will work fine. |
| 18:19.50 | Ktron|wow | yeah, I reinstall windows on one partition frequently enough |
| 18:20.14 | Ktron|wow | and I'm using the same install since I bought WoW the second day it was available |
| 18:21.57 | Adrine | I've actually switched hard drives on my install. *grin* |
| 18:22.03 | Adrine | Upgraded to SATA recently. |
| 18:22.21 | Ktron|wow | I've been using SATA a long time heh |
| 18:22.24 | Ktron|wow | SATA is well worth it |
| 18:22.38 | Ktron|wow | plus, having easier support for up to 4 sata drives is nice |
| 18:23.45 | Tain | Yeah I am really contemplating picking up 4 sata drives. |
| 18:23.59 | Adrine | I am loooooving the SATA setup. |
| 18:24.27 | Adrine | I was really tempted to go RAID-0 when I upgraded, but I don't have a backup system for my home workstation, and don't really cherish the idea of a complete data loss in the event that one drive pooped out on me. |
| 18:24.36 | Tain | Yep. |
| 18:24.59 | Tain | I figure RAID-5 is a lot cheaper than any backup systems out there today. |
| 18:26.12 | Eraphine|Lab | anyone here have a firewall/antivirus program to recommend? |
| 18:26.12 | krka | yay, got it to run |
| 18:26.18 | krka | wasn't that many files that changed in the patch |
| 18:26.37 | Tain | Firewall I go Linux or hardware router, antivirus I really like Kaspersky. |
| 18:26.44 | Adrine | Eraphine|Lab: I use Antivir (http://freeav.com) |
| 18:27.04 | Adrine | Firewall I use Tiny Personal Firewall v2 - they charge now, but I have the old free version of the installer archived if you want it. |
| 18:27.21 | Eraphine|Lab | nod - hardware router I have as well, but I like having program access control on the client-side as well |
| 18:27.24 | Josh_Borke | Adrine: wow, that thing is REALLY old |
| 18:27.26 | zenzio | I use Kaspersky for anti-virus, works well enough (not free) |
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| 18:27.38 | Adrine | JoshBorke: TPF? Yes, it is. But it works wonderfully. :) |
| 18:27.56 | Tain | Kaspersky is not free, I just recently did my own research and decided it was worth the money over the free AV programs. |
| 18:27.57 | Eraphine|Lab | I was using symantec client security - it's kinda invasive |
| 18:27.59 | Josh_Borke | i got tired of all the configurations and always forgetting to back them up |
| 18:28.15 | Eraphine|Lab | kaspersky - cool |
| 18:28.19 | Eraphine|Lab | will look it up |
| 18:28.23 | Adrine | http://pvp.tachyonsix.com/tpf2.exe is the firewall installer |
| 18:28.27 | Josh_Borke | morning tem |
| 18:28.36 | Adrine | It is several years old, but it's quite light for a firewall and gives you all the control you need. |
| 18:28.36 | Tem | afternoon everyone |
| 18:29.06 | Adrine | It's very barebones - it even prompts you to allow Windows to communicate on the loopback. |
| 18:29.15 | Adrine | But hey, I like it that way. |
| 18:29.38 | Eraphine|Lab | anyone here try bitdefender? |
| 18:30.22 | zenzio | I never found out if it was true (probably wasn't, sounds unlikely), but I remember the stories back in the day about ZoneAlarm claiming someone's ISP was DOSing him |
| 18:30.34 | zenzio | was funny either way |
| 18:32.15 | Tain | 250gb SATA drives for $84, it's so hard to resist. |
| 18:32.40 | Eraphine|Lab | resist it |
| 18:32.41 | zenzio | do SATA drives outperform IDE noticably? |
| 18:32.42 | Eraphine|Lab | do you need the room? |
| 18:32.45 | Eraphine|Lab | not yet |
| 18:32.52 | Eraphine|Lab | noticably, yes |
| 18:33.01 | Tain | Since when has buying electronics been about *need*? |
| 18:33.12 | Eraphine|Lab | the largest factor has still been the harddrives, not the interface. |
| 18:33.56 | Adrine | My SATA drives certainly -feel- faster. |
| 18:34.03 | Adrine | But that could just be misperception. |
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| 18:34.37 | wereHamster | I have two sata drives, raid1 for the system, raid0 for games and other less important data :) |
| 18:34.49 | Kirov | My 7200 SATA drive is noticably slower than my laptop's 5400 IDE |
| 18:35.00 | Kirov | But I think my computer has some weird hardware conflicts |
| 18:35.03 | Adrine | That makes no sense at all. |
| 18:35.28 | Eraphine|Lab | well, most sata support native command queuing |
| 18:35.31 | Iriel | It should be a combination of (drive hardware, drive electronics, mobo controller, mobo) |
| 18:35.35 | Eraphine|Lab | so that alone could account for a performance boost |
| 18:35.38 | Iriel | and possibly (os drivers) |
| 18:35.51 | Tain | I have no good/real backups, too much data. That's why I'm looking for some nice SATA RAID. |
| 18:35.56 | id` | so whats the best wow item db? |
| 18:36.03 | Ktron|wow | lol |
| 18:36.06 | id` | i want the best items there are for a twink |
| 18:36.07 | Ktron|wow | depends what you want |
| 18:36.12 | Iriel | I ended up doing internal SATA mirroring and external USB RAID5 |
| 18:36.14 | id` | casterl, lv 19 |
| 18:36.25 | Kirov | id - in game or online? |
| 18:36.40 | id` | online ofcource |
| 18:36.41 | id` | :) |
| 18:36.43 | Ktron|wow | I'd say thottbot is your best bet for searching for items like that |
| 18:36.48 | id` | wanna check out the best item set there is |
| 18:36.48 | Tain | I've actually always uses http://wow.allakhazam.com/ |
| 18:36.50 | id` | for lv 19 |
| 18:36.53 | id` | think im pretty close |
| 18:36.58 | Eraphine|Lab | raid 5 is... mirror and stripping? with a spare? |
| 18:37.01 | Eraphine|Lab | I forget.. |
| 18:37.01 | id` | Tain: me too, was just wondering |
| 18:37.07 | Adrine | I used Thott and Allakhazam equally. |
| 18:37.08 | Tain | But then again I also used the alla profile client |
| 18:37.08 | Kirov | thottbot and allakhazam both have their pros and cons |
| 18:37.11 | Kirov | I tend to use both. |
| 18:37.15 | Ktron|wow | alla isn't really that good at specifying item types-- especially if you want to get more than one item type at a time |
| 18:37.27 | Ktron|wow | alla is more reliable, but thott's search is way better |
| 18:37.54 | Kirov | I also find thottbot's user comments on things to be better |
| 18:38.05 | krka | crap... one space -> 5 spaces |
| 18:38.06 | krka | bad indenter |
| 18:38.08 | Kirov | alla tend to be 3 pages of "hunter weapon!!!1!!" |
| 18:38.14 | Tain | Thott still has a ton of legacy stuff in there still from early beta and whatnot? |
| 18:38.30 | Kirov | Tain - and allakhazam doesn't? |
| 18:38.31 | krka | oops... my bad |
| 18:38.32 | Tain | I never, ever look at user comments. |
| 18:38.35 | Tain | I'm asking, Kirov. |
| 18:38.38 | id` | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=890 |
| 18:38.47 | Ktron|wow | but alla tends to have pictures of the models more often too... But my guess is that Thott is definitely the way to go to search for items based on stats |
| 18:38.47 | id` | I have http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=5201 |
| 18:39.04 | Josh_Borke | raid 5 = parity, n-1 drive space |
| 18:39.09 | id` | Ktron|wow: k |
| 18:39.18 | Kirov | I read user comments concerning quest. |
| 18:39.35 | Kirov | allakhazam also lists items by their item id |
| 18:39.37 | Kirov | which is nice |
| 18:39.50 | Kirov | but semi-pointless to the average user |
| 18:39.59 | Ktron|wow | heh, that was way nice for link forging:) |
| 18:40.37 | wereHamster | .. and raid6 is n-2 drive space and parity on 2 drives.. the parity drive changes for each data chunk.. like on raid5 |
| 18:40.42 | Ktron|wow | I was thinking about making an addon called 'mustgetlink' that will loop through item id's until it finds a match |
| 18:40.55 | Kirov | Oh, one thing that boggles my mind. Blizzard's enchants have a +25 Agility already, but they added a new one for this last patch for the 2h +25 Agi enchant. |
| 18:41.07 | Adrine | Kirov: Huh? |
| 18:41.10 | Adrine | Ooh. |
| 18:41.12 | Adrine | Enchant codes. |
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| 18:41.17 | Kirov | Which is silly since they already reuse some of the enchant ids for other things |
| 18:43.02 | Kirov | Cide for your ctprofiles project, did you actually create a database of enchant ids -> enchant names, or was that all manual? |
| 18:43.23 | Ktron|wow | Kirov, maybe you learn them separately? |
| 18:43.54 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: do you know of many controllers that have raid6? |
| 18:44.23 | krka | wokring perfectly |
| 18:44.28 | krka | just have to fix the caret now |
| 18:44.32 | Tain | I haven't seen any myself JoshBorke, I only even read about RAID-6 as existing recently. |
| 18:44.44 | Josh_Borke | i think i read that raid6 was proprietary |
| 18:44.49 | Kirov | krka - the dancing caret issue? |
| 18:44.52 | krka | pretty fast too |
| 18:44.53 | krka | yes |
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| 18:45.46 | Iriel | Eraphine|Lab | Raid 5 is N+1 |
| 18:45.59 | Tain | I hadn't looked at my Alla profiles in a while, I have a lot of characters all over the place. |
| 18:46.09 | Iriel | Eraphine|Lab or N-1 depending on how you count 8-) |
| 18:46.27 | Eraphine|Lab | nod nod |
| 18:47.49 | Kirov | Is there a list of the different raid types someplace? |
| 18:48.02 | Tain | All over. |
| 18:48.50 | zenzio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundant_array_of_independent_disks |
| 18:48.59 | Tain | Yep. |
| 18:49.00 | Kirkburn | Can I just say I'm a total CSS convert now, my website design currently includes no tables whatsoever. Unlike, er, everything else I've ever done |
| 18:49.36 | Kirkburn | Damn good, it is. Oh and I use thottbot cos it's fast :P |
| 18:49.50 | Gryphen | me too |
| 18:49.56 | wereHamster | Josh_Borke, no.. I had a ICP SATA RAID5 controller.. was very solid |
| 18:50.08 | wereHamster | with 4 drives.. |
| 18:50.18 | Tain | the only reason I stopped using thottbot was because it was way early on and the software would try to install Cosmos on me even when I ONLY wanted the profile reporting. |
| 18:50.20 | Kirkburn | When's E3? |
| 18:50.49 | Tain | Check e3expo.com |
| 18:51.16 | Josh_Borke | may 10-12? |
| 18:53.04 | Kirov | I'm semi-curious what they're going to show of the PS3 this year. |
| 18:53.11 | Kirov | If it's anything like the PSP last year, uhg |
| 18:53.26 | Tain | Sony has a lot of floorspace. |
| 18:53.31 | Kirov | They always do |
| 18:53.47 | Kirov | And they fill it with PS2s running games that are already out. |
| 18:53.56 | Kirov | Or will be in a month |
| 18:54.16 | Ktron|wow | You know what would be a nice feature? ability to use your left or your right hand as your main hand |
| 18:54.16 | Kirov | Then they hide a hand full of games that are further off among them. |
| 18:54.39 | Kirov | Only reason I go to the sony booth is to walk to the Nintendo booth so I can stand on their nice fluffy carpet |
| 18:54.45 | Kirov | (nintendo's) |
| 18:55.34 | krka | i could probably do this OnChar |
| 18:55.36 | krka | ^_^ |
| 18:56.02 | Kirov | krka - possibly, but then it doesn't register backspace |
| 18:56.11 | Kirov | Or any other deletion |
| 18:56.26 | krka | would have to monitor those too, obviously |
| 18:56.40 | krka | OnTextSet then? |
| 18:57.05 | Kirov | TextSet ignores input |
| 18:57.14 | Kirov | It's only on SetText() |
| 18:58.01 | krka | oh |
| 18:58.05 | krka | so... how do i do it? |
| 18:58.09 | krka | OnUpdate :) |
| 18:58.23 | Kirov | OnTextChanged |
| 19:00.54 | Kirov | Gets fired on ANY change to the text (caret position and highlighting excluded since it doesn't actually change the text) |
| 19:01.29 | krka | thanks |
| 19:01.35 | krka | why not just say so directly? :P |
| 19:02.14 | krka | here goes nothing... |
| 19:02.52 | Kirov | btw |
| 19:03.22 | krka | works perfectly OnTextChanged |
| 19:03.26 | krka | ownage |
| 19:03.57 | Kirov | it gets fired SetText too, so if you don't make it ignore the OnTextChanged the update after your SetText you're effectively doing it OnUpdate |
| 19:04.34 | krka | hm |
| 19:05.22 | krka | yeah, you're right |
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| 19:07.09 | krka | something gets triggered when i highlight stuff |
| 19:11.10 | Kirov | You could get around it by saving the text in the edit box, doing your update, and seeing if you made any changes before doing the SetText() |
| 19:11.31 | krka | yeah |
| 19:13.41 | Kirov | it's more "work", but it's fewer hooked functions, and you can keep the variablies needed local |
| 19:14.09 | Tain | Does the "Uninstall UI" option in Cosmos.exe actually remove your entire Addons directory, or just the Cosmos related stuff? |
| 19:14.33 | Kirov | Tain - it used to remove everything I think. |
| 19:14.44 | Kirov | Supposedly that was fixed though. |
| 19:14.49 | Tain | It says it's goign to remove everything so I didn't let it. |
| 19:14.51 | Kirov | Is Miravlix around? |
| 19:14.56 | Tain | But I wasn't willing to try my luck. |
| 19:14.57 | Miravlix | no |
| 19:15.00 | Kirov | heh |
| 19:15.05 | Kalroth | Kirov: you have to yank his ear |
| 19:15.09 | Kalroth | otherwise he doesn't show up |
| 19:15.34 | Miravlix | Saying my name flashes my Windows status bar all over the screen, so I tend to notice |
| 19:15.44 | Tain | I installed just to do the thottbot collection, and was vastly unimpressed with the amount it had to install just to do that. |
| 19:16.02 | Tain | So *yoink* it's gone. |
| 19:16.31 | Kalroth | Tain: it cleans the directory for anything it doesn't know |
| 19:16.51 | Kalroth | unless there's a .nopatch file on it |
| 19:17.03 | Miravlix | That was the old patcher |
| 19:17.06 | Kalroth | eg. AddOnDirectory.nopatch |
| 19:17.07 | Eraphine|Lab | Does anyone know if there is any grounding in these claims that CT_Raid is causing slowdowns for people ? |
| 19:17.16 | Miravlix | The new one has a nice interface to handle everything |
| 19:17.18 | Tain | Not to mention the fact that I couldn't find configuration options in-game in the 60 seconds I spent looking, which is more than enough for me. |
| 19:17.22 | Kirov | Eraphine - sure |
| 19:17.23 | Miravlix | Though it's somewhat buggy |
| 19:17.31 | Tain | Well I downloaded what's on http://www.thottbot.com/?p=download |
| 19:17.36 | krka | would anyone use this: i am limiting the number of consecutive spaces to 1 |
| 19:17.46 | Kalroth | Tain: press ESC once and find the Khaos button :) |
| 19:17.51 | Tain | Not there, Kalroth. |
| 19:18.06 | Maldivia | Eraphine: ofcourse, all mods cause slowdowns :) |
| 19:18.08 | Tain | Maybe if you install all of Cosmos it is, but it wasn't there for me doing just thottbot collection. |
| 19:18.14 | Kirov | Eraphine - CT_Raid is a lot of code |
| 19:18.15 | Kalroth | oh |
| 19:19.10 | Maldivia | Eraphine: the more data the addon has to process, the more slowdown it will cause, and in some raiding situations, there's a hell of a lot of data that has to be processed |
| 19:19.14 | krka | some addons speed up |
| 19:19.15 | Tain | So lest anyone think my dislike of Cosmos is only from the days of beta and soon after release of WoW, the current incarnation took all of two minutes to annoy me. |
| 19:19.54 | hyperChipmunk | what's wrong with it? |
| 19:19.55 | krka | hm... i should force the color for ";" to be bright pink |
| 19:19.56 | hyperChipmunk | mis |
| 19:20.01 | krka | that'd show 'em |
| 19:20.04 | Eraphine|Lab | well, for instance, |
| 19:20.18 | Maldivia | Eraphine: but CT_RA probably doesn't cause more slowdowns than Blizzards raid interface, or any of the other raid interface addons |
| 19:20.29 | Eraphine|Lab | During the clear to Fankriss, a lot of people said they were getting "Casting Lag" when their pings were perfectly normal |
| 19:20.30 | Miravlix | Thottbot... it's Thot's addon and his problem to fix it. |
| 19:20.38 | Miravlix | Unless he wants to pay me to do it. |
| 19:20.45 | Maldivia | Is Thott still playing obfusctor with his mod ? |
| 19:20.52 | Kirov | Maldivia - yes it does. |
| 19:21.04 | Kalroth | Tain: You're mixing Thottbot with Cosmos now? |
| 19:21.14 | Kirov | CT_Raid does a lot of tooltip scanning, where as Blizzard's own interface does none. |
| 19:21.29 | Miravlix | Yes, ThotbotEngine.lua is obfuscated, so can't do a darn thing with it. |
| 19:21.43 | Iriel | krka: do you have something against ;'s ? |
| 19:21.48 | Kirov | CT_Raid's unit frames are also var more complex vs. Blizzard's |
| 19:21.52 | Iriel | It'd be relatively easy to un-obfuscate it and fix it |
| 19:22.05 | Iriel | Fix the goddamn retarded single letter globals for a start, please |
| 19:22.19 | Maldivia | Kirov: yeah ok... but not more complex than alternative raid interfaces |
| 19:22.22 | Miravlix | Not my table to do. |
| 19:22.28 | krka | just kidding Iriel :P |
| 19:22.28 | Iriel | Not that they annoy me or anything |
| 19:22.33 | Tain | Kalroth: when the way to run the thottbot collector is cosmos.exe, yes. |
| 19:22.46 | Kirov | Iriel - lol |
| 19:24.13 | Miravlix | I'm supposed to be on the same team as Thott and I can't seem to get him to react to bug reports, so what can you do? He provides a nice free service for Cosmos and has done a lot for Cosmos, so he deservers thanks |
| 19:25.51 | Tain | Sure, everyone deserves thanks for the things they contribute. That was yesterday. It's a, "What have you done for me lately?" sort of world out there. :) |
| 19:26.21 | Miravlix | He still provides free bandwith |
| 19:27.19 | Tain | Hell there's no way of telling what the WoW addon scene would look like today if it weren't for Cosmos jump-starting everything. |
| 19:27.57 | Miravlix | It would look fine, but perhaps not be at it's current peak of development. |
| 19:28.02 | Iriel | That doesn't change the fact that thottbot is a shitty addon these days |
| 19:28.54 | Tain | To think, if Thott were more Gates-like Cosmos could well be the MS Windows of AddOns. |
| 19:29.43 | kremonte | hmmm |
| 19:29.54 | kremonte | lately i've been getting horrendous lag spikes as soon as i engage in combat with another player |
| 19:30.07 | kremonte | duel or pvp, doesn't matter... like, my game stops for 3 full seconds |
| 19:30.10 | Miravlix | kremonte, what addons? |
| 19:30.42 | Miravlix | to many addons is doing the same thing at certain critical points in combat |
| 19:30.59 | kremonte | yea i'm looking at it |
| 19:31.03 | kremonte | lets see what could it be.. |
| 19:31.06 | Miravlix | Fx. you easily get 10-20 addons that spellbook scan, unitdebuff/buff scan, etc. |
| 19:31.08 | krka | is it possible to save the highlight? |
| 19:31.16 | kremonte | unitframes... |
| 19:31.28 | kremonte | energywatch |
| 19:31.32 | kremonte | carnival enemycastbar |
| 19:32.07 | Miravlix | My 4 big uns is Spellbook, Inventory, Buff, Debuff scanners. |
| 19:32.17 | Cide | Kirov: back, sorry :) for enchant ids -> enchant names, it's manual |
| 19:32.26 | Miravlix | Those really need to be put into a library and only done once. |
| 19:32.35 | Kirov | krka - Highlight() is triggering a OnTextChanged? |
| 19:33.09 | Kirov | Cide - heh, ok, figured as much. Someday I might bother figuring out the enchant - > item enchant id |
| 19:33.43 | Maldivia | Kirov: get EnchantMe! :) |
| 19:33.47 | Miravlix | UnitBuff/Debuff is just ugh, since a million addons does those in OnUpdate |
| 19:33.54 | Wobin_ | manual? |
| 19:33.57 | krka | never mind, i worked around it |
| 19:34.07 | Wobin_ | Can you drop it into a link then try and scan the link? |
| 19:34.35 | Wobin_ | This is with no idea how the enchant id's apply to items apart from a thought that it may be in the link somewhere =P |
| 19:35.20 | Kirov | Well, there's no correlation between the enchant, and the id it puts in to the item string, so it'd have to be a long, mostly manual process. |
| 19:35.21 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_TYPE_ItemString |
| 19:36.02 | Kirov | I reformated the suffixes to be easier to read |
| 19:36.08 | Maldivia | Kirov: nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/wow/mod/EnchantMe.zip <-- I have a complete list of all enchant IDs in that mod :) |
| 19:37.06 | Kirov | Maldivia - does it include rogue, engineering, totem, and blacksmith enchants |
| 19:37.09 | Maldivia | or... might be missing 1.10 enchants, can't remember if there are any new in 1.10, and if I've added them |
| 19:37.21 | Kirov | +25 Agi to 2h |
| 19:37.28 | Kirov | 2646 |
| 19:37.32 | Maldivia | Only real enchants, as in enchanting enchants |
| 19:37.38 | Maldivia | and it's the enchant-link ids |
| 19:37.47 | Kirov | Ah |
| 19:37.50 | Kirov | Cool |
| 19:39.43 | krka | ok... who want to test this out? :) |
| 19:39.50 | Kirov | ooo! me! |
| 19:39.53 | Kirov | after lunch though |
| 19:40.03 | krka | sure |
| 19:40.17 | krka | i have a modified version of LuaSlinger to give you people, no work by you required |
| 19:40.22 | Josh_Borke | id`: you here? if so, how do I fold in vim again? |
| 19:40.23 | krka | just testing and giving me feedback |
| 19:47.45 | krka | hmm... bad bad bad |
| 19:47.51 | Josh_Borke | wootage! |
| 19:48.38 | krka | ooh... my fault this time |
| 19:51.53 | krka | anyone up for it? |
| 19:51.57 | krka | got to work pretty good |
| 19:52.34 | krka | s/got/got it/ |
| 19:52.42 | krka | s/good/well/ |
| 19:52.49 | krka | you suck purl |
| 19:54.29 | Miravlix | Consideirng the time it's prolly the afternoon cleaning team that fell in the wires. :p |
| 19:54.47 | krka | come on... no one wants to test my perfect mod of LuaSlinger? |
| 19:56.44 | krka | lame excuse Iriel|working! |
| 19:56.56 | Tain | shoulda done it with TinyPad and I'd test it. ;) |
| 19:57.19 | krka | feel free to port it for TinyPad :) |
| 19:57.24 | Tain | I may! |
| 19:57.29 | krka | should be _extremely_ easy |
| 19:57.39 | Tain | That's the type of work I like. |
| 19:57.40 | krka | i only added a block of code to the onload |
| 19:57.50 | krka | basically just hooking the EditBoxes |
| 19:58.00 | krka | and modified the "execute" |
| 19:58.16 | krka | hmm... could mod it myself i guess |
| 19:58.17 | Tain | I may well start on my new addon tonight. |
| 19:58.29 | krka | addon for what? |
| 19:58.39 | Tain | Improve the chat history buffer. |
| 19:58.49 | krka | i see |
| 19:59.03 | Tain | I hate the fact that entries get overwritten when you scroll up and change something. |
| 19:59.12 | Tain | I want to save everything I enter, basically. |
| 19:59.14 | krka | do you want me to fix tinypad for you? |
| 19:59.20 | krka | or would you prefer to do it yourself? |
| 19:59.37 | krka | i could give you my diff of LuaSlinger, that should make it easy enough |
| 20:00.48 | Tain | I'd use it either way, it's Gello's TinyPad, I just like it and the changes you're doing so much that I'd want to use them with it. |
| 20:00.58 | krka | i'll pastebin my diffs |
| 20:01.51 | krka | http://wow.pastebin.com/672014 |
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| 20:22.35 | id` | Josh_Borke: folding iz done with zf |
| 20:22.43 | id` | depends on the folding type |
| 20:22.48 | Josh_Borke | i got it :-) |
| 20:22.51 | id` | :set foldmethod? |
| 20:22.53 | id` | k |
| 20:23.48 | id` | Is there anyone here that doesnt have a grudge against an addon that puts meelee mode on at the time where you could need it? Need some testers for an addon (like defendyourself) |
| 20:24.16 | Josh_Borke | wouldn't that stop a spell cast? |
| 20:24.21 | id` | no |
| 20:24.32 | Wobin_ | Take out autofire? |
| 20:24.35 | id` | AttackTarget(). |
| 20:24.40 | id` | works with autofire |
| 20:24.56 | id` | (it stops when you start shooting or wanding) |
| 20:25.00 | id` | and works with cc |
| 20:25.06 | id` | the last thing is what i need testing with |
| 20:26.25 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/addons/idAutoAttack-10900-2.zip |
| 20:26.43 | id` | have fun :P |
| 20:28.16 | Josh_Borke | wb kirov |
| 20:28.24 | Kirov | krka - got your latest code some place? |
| 20:28.57 | krka | nope |
| 20:29.02 | krka | i'll make a zip now |
| 20:29.23 | krka | note: the code is not ready for the general public yet, a bit buggy |
| 20:30.06 | krka | http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/LuaSlingerIndent.zip |
| 20:30.25 | id` | LuaSlinger needs to be more like TinyPad |
| 20:30.32 | id` | Tiny pad needs a 'library' |
| 20:30.43 | Josh_Borke | "krka come on... no one wants to test my perfect mod of LuaSlinger?" |
| 20:30.56 | id` | *try* |
| 20:31.12 | krka | yes? :) |
| 20:31.32 | Josh_Borke | seems to be somewhat contradictory :-P |
| 20:31.59 | id` | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4570 |
| 20:32.04 | id` | I should build this into idChat |
| 20:32.16 | krka | i have no real attachment to luaslinger, just downloaded it to test out my indentation |
| 20:32.25 | krka | should work equally well for all editbox-addons |
| 20:32.33 | id` | 'indentation' ? |
| 20:32.59 | krka | yes? |
| 20:33.12 | Kirov | id - ctmod does that already btw |
| 20:33.25 | id` | Kirov: I am aware of that |
| 20:33.46 | id` | (no, really) :P |
| 20:34.08 | krka | id`, your question was too short for me to understand it |
| 20:34.10 | Josh_Borke | i am aware of that...now |
| 20:35.33 | id` | krka: nevermind, i love it! |
| 20:36.26 | id` | a = { |
| 20:36.33 | id` | b = { |
| 20:36.38 | id` | c = '' |
| 20:36.43 | id` | it indents only the c |
| 20:36.57 | krka | hm |
| 20:36.57 | krka | let me etst |
| 20:37.28 | krka | doesn't even indent that for me |
| 20:37.37 | Kirov | it still has the "a" bug |
| 20:38.04 | krka | how do i reproduce that? |
| 20:38.19 | Kirov | um |
| 20:38.36 | Kirov | Right now as soon as I open up luaslinger every editbox has an a in it |
| 20:38.41 | krka | omg ... i am so stupid |
| 20:38.46 | krka | tokenIndentation.TOKEN_LEFTPAREN = indentLeft |
| 20:39.50 | Kirov | and it still has the carrot issue |
| 20:39.50 | krka | weird |
| 20:39.51 | Josh_Borke | shouldn't left paren indent right? |
| 20:40.38 | krka | yes |
| 20:40.41 | krka | that's why i'm stupid :P |
| 20:41.54 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/errors/WoWScrnShot_042006_223950.jpg |
| 20:42.51 | AnduinLothar | aww, it's so pretty |
| 20:43.37 | krka | i may not have fixed all RunScripts |
| 20:44.09 | krka | yeah, i missed Library |
| 20:44.10 | krka | sorry |
| 20:44.36 | Josh_Borke | oh that's pretty |
| 20:44.52 | krka | now i just need to fix indent for ()[]{} |
| 20:46.09 | id` | krka: hey no sorries required im testing it for you |
| 20:46.12 | id` | :-) |
| 20:46.19 | wereHamster | krka, the editor window shouldn't parse (and indent/color) the code right after the user edits it.. |
| 20:46.56 | wereHamster | Everytime I delete a character it does this and pressing 'delete' causes WoW to lag |
| 20:47.11 | Kirov | krka - I disabled all my addons and the "a" issue goes away |
| 20:47.19 | Kirov | I'm going to try and track down which one it is. |
| 20:47.37 | Kirov | the caret issue is fixed too |
| 20:47.38 | Kirov | weird |
| 20:47.47 | krka | must be something that interferes with the editbox |
| 20:47.58 | AnduinLothar | oi... ChatFrame_OnEvent hurts my brain |
| 20:47.58 | wereHamster | and also.. I can't mouse-wheel scroll the editor |
| 20:49.14 | krka | i can't highlight stuff |
| 20:49.18 | krka | no idea why |
| 20:49.49 | krka | same for you? |
| 20:50.03 | krka | wereHamster, really, is it slow for you? |
| 20:50.07 | krka | lightning fast for me |
| 20:50.14 | krka | creates a bit of garbage |
| 20:50.22 | krka | anyway, my plan is to have a setting for that |
| 20:50.43 | krka | indent on changed text / on <tab> / every X seconds |
| 20:50.52 | krka | and not at all, of course |
| 20:51.51 | krka | local editboxCache = {} |
| 20:51.52 | krka | function indentEditbox(editbox, tabWidth, colorTable) |
| 20:51.52 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.52 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.52 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.54 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.56 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.10 | krka | that should get rid of unnecessary work atleast |
| 20:52.21 | krka | but GetText must somehow clear the highlight |
| 20:53.34 | krka | weird... now highlighting works |
| 20:55.30 | Josh_Borke | bye guys :-) |
| 20:55.31 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Josh_Borke (n=Josh@antimatter.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 20:56.15 | krka | http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/LuaSlingerIndentAlpha2.zip |
| 20:56.26 | krka | fixed: indentation for ()[]{} |
| 20:58.02 | kremonte | does anybody know anything about russian input for WoW? |
| 20:58.02 | wereHamster | krka, a fresh installation of LuaSlinger, when I open the Import tab, fps goes down from~20 top <5 fps |
| 20:58.28 | MentalPower | russian input? |
| 20:58.29 | MentalPower | explain |
| 20:58.42 | kremonte | typing russian |
| 20:58.43 | kremonte | in WoW |
| 20:58.44 | Kirov | well, what ever was causing the a and the cursor issue are gone now |
| 20:58.47 | kremonte | i have IME but it wont input anything |
| 20:58.51 | wereHamster | and when I start selecting a piece of code, it always starts the selection at the very beginning, no matter where I start selecting.. |
| 20:58.53 | Kirov | even with all my addons renabled |
| 20:59.08 | kremonte | hmm ill try changing unicode language os wide |
| 20:59.22 | kremonte | seems to be the same thing that happened with FFXI... |
| 20:59.24 | krka | wereHamster, yeah, the selection bug is annoying |
| 20:59.30 | krka | i don't understand how editboxes work well enough |
| 20:59.38 | krka | i must be breaking something |
| 21:00.24 | Kirov | hmm |
| 21:00.31 | Kirov | can't delete tabs |
| 21:00.48 | Kirov | and still need to add a OnTabPressed handler |
| 21:00.59 | Kirkburn1 | Woo I just got a Zen Vision:M! |
| 21:01.05 | Kirov | ? |
| 21:01.23 | Kirkburn1 | It's like a video iPod, only better :) |
| 21:01.25 | krka | you can delete from the line above :P |
| 21:01.41 | krka | not being able to delete the left whitespace is kinda a bug |
| 21:02.32 | wereHamster | Kirkburn1, better than an apple product ? =-O |
| 21:03.03 | Kirkburn1 | Hell yeah :D Also, I just got a new mobile for free :D I do love mobile fone contracts |
| 21:03.23 | kremonte | o_o |
| 21:03.32 | kremonte | switch nicks all at once now! |
| 21:03.36 | cladhaire | =) |
| 21:03.45 | Cairenn | okay |
| 21:03.46 | kremonte | woot |
| 21:03.56 | kremonte | am i cool now? |
| 21:04.02 | krka | blizzards editboxes are fucked up :/ |
| 21:04.53 | Kirkburn | lol, heya Cairenn |
| 21:05.10 | Kirkburn | Or cladhaire, or me, or someone |
| 21:05.49 | Cairenn | well, we were told to switch nicks :p |
| 21:06.03 | Kirkburn | And why not |
| 21:06.19 | Kirkburn | It seems eminently sensible to me |
| 21:06.35 | BobtheBuilder | I agree |
| 21:06.47 | Kirkburn | You can't argue with that. |
| 21:06.59 | npc | hi i'm an npc |
| 21:07.02 | npc | right click to interact |
| 21:07.14 | Kirkburn | Dammit, not _another_ collection quest! |
| 21:07.24 | hi | Dishonorable Kill! |
| 21:07.25 | Kirkburn | Adrine receives a DK |
| 21:07.44 | npc | Guards! Help me! |
| 21:07.49 | hi | lol |
| 21:08.06 | me | my desktop is full |
| 21:08.29 | whoami | Aww, well, I have amnesia |
| 21:08.56 | me | ChatFrame_OnEvent makes me want to spab someone |
| 21:09.02 | me | stab even* |
| 21:09.37 | npc | why? |
| 21:09.50 | me | cause it's so fricking long and all encompassing |
| 21:10.03 | me | it needs to relegate some responsibility |
| 21:10.55 | whoami | Relegating responsibility is how the world was built. |
| 21:11.39 | Adrine | [14:10] *** whoami is n=George@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net (George) |
| 21:11.43 | Adrine | Well, that's one question answered. |
| 21:13.46 | krka | ooops... i am so stupid |
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| 21:19.40 | krka | why does OnTextChanged fire constantly? |
| 21:20.25 | Tem|Work | because it hates you? |
| 21:20.33 | krka | yeah probably |
| 21:20.39 | Miravlix | Does it has a reason to be fired all the time? |
| 21:20.46 | krka | not that i know |
| 21:21.04 | krka | hmm.. or does it |
| 21:21.22 | krka | actually... that's not the biggest issue |
| 21:24.13 | me | it just occured to me... I've had my stereo longer than any of my other electronics... it has like 10x the life time expectancy of most other electronics |
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| 21:24.47 | krka | yay, fixed my problem |
| 21:25.13 | me | maybe tvs.. |
| 21:29.00 | Cairenn | night sarf|sleep |
| 21:31.38 | wereHamster | this is weird.. I have ~60 fps.. normally.. but when I enable my raid frames the fps drops down to ~15.. and these frames don't receive any events and don't have and OnUpdate handler.. |
| 21:31.43 | Kirov | krka - figured out the problem |
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| 21:32.05 | Kirov | the one that was causing the a and the caret |
| 21:32.05 | wereHamster | by raid frames I mean 40 of those unit-frames |
| 21:32.50 | krka | what was it? |
| 21:32.56 | Kirov | krka - you old code |
| 21:33.09 | Kirov | I had it in TinyPad, so it was overwriting the new stuff in lua slinger |
| 21:33.20 | Kirov | disabled tinypad, works! |
| 21:34.23 | krka | cool |
| 21:34.27 | krka | my new code is much much better |
| 21:34.30 | krka | you can select stuff now |
| 21:34.34 | Kirov | cool |
| 21:35.19 | Kirov | bbiab |
| 21:35.21 | krka | only problem now, imo, is not being able to backspace to the left whitespace |
| 21:35.59 | Kirov|evil | krka - how are you doing tabs? |
| 21:36.13 | Kirov|evil | do you have a \1 or something in front of each set of spaces? |
| 21:37.56 | krka | not doing tabs |
| 21:37.58 | krka | i do spaces |
| 21:38.04 | Kirov|evil | right |
| 21:38.26 | Kirov|evil | ... |
| 21:38.46 | Kirov|evil | oh, I see. |
| 21:38.56 | Kirov|evil | really going now though |
| 21:39.20 | krka | bye |
| 21:39.25 | krka | i am going to sleep too |
| 21:39.36 | Cairenn | night krka |
| 21:39.41 | krka | night! |
| 21:39.51 | krka | productive day, yay! |
| 21:40.01 | Cairenn | night Kirov|evil |
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| 21:40.48 | cmunn | Heya, Cide |
| 21:41.39 | cmunn | Any reason for a non-promoted raid member to send SET and SET2 messages in response to an SR request? |
| 21:43.59 | Cide | not anymore |
| 21:44.54 | cmunn | anymore? |
| 21:45.14 | cmunn | Should they continue to for backwards-compatibility? |
| 21:45.49 | cmunn | (All raid members currently send SET and SET2 messages in response to SR requests) |
| 21:51.27 | Cide | no they don't |
| 21:51.53 | Cide | as far as I know (don't have the code up right now) |
| 21:54.35 | cmunn | Maybe they don't... What exactly does CT_RA_IsSendingWithVersion(version) do? |
| 21:56.12 | cmunn | It confuses me muchly |
| 21:56.12 | cmunn | http://wow.pastebin.com/672223 |
| 21:56.30 | cmunn | Oops, wrong version |
| 21:56.59 | me | you should not be missrepresenting me thusly. |
| 21:57.46 | cmunn | http://wow.pastebin.com/672225 (there we go) |
| 21:58.01 | cmunn | Oh, my apologies |
| 21:58.33 | me | much better |
| 21:58.37 | Adrine | This just in |
| 21:58.50 | wereHamster | name ~= playerName and ... and name < playerName |
| 21:58.51 | cmunn | That just out? |
| 21:58.52 | Adrine | Subjecting your guild to the Ragnaros speech via Ventrilo's text-to-speech function is the awesomest thing ever., |
| 21:59.11 | me | lol |
| 21:59.21 | cmunn | TS > Vent |
| 21:59.24 | Adrine | I have the entire thing set up with a number of binds, and I'm on Vent at work, and I just randomly hit a key every so often |
| 21:59.31 | cmunn | lol |
| 21:59.36 | Adrine | And people are split between wanting to have my children and wanting to murder me. |
| 21:59.37 | Adrine | It's beautiful. |
| 21:59.56 | me | I don't know of many people that want to murder me... |
| 22:00.17 | me | you, also, should not be missrepresenting me thusly. |
| 22:02.47 | zenzio | you should stop talking about yourself in third person me |
| 22:03.01 | me | why? |
| 22:03.22 | zenzio | it's reserved for special people |
| 22:03.37 | cmunn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.40 | cmunn | O RLY? |
| 22:05.17 | wereHamster | YA RLY |
| 22:05.35 | cmunn | I see. |
| 22:05.39 | me | who's RLY anyway? |
| 22:05.58 | me | and why do people keep addressing him when he's obviously not int he user list |
| 22:08.12 | MentalPower | ~lart "me" |
| 22:08.39 | MentalPower | oh come on purl you can do better than that |
| 22:08.41 | MentalPower | ~lart "me" |
| 22:08.55 | MentalPower | thats better |
| 22:09.07 | cmunn | What does lart mean? |
| 22:09.15 | me | lolz, purl spritzed himself |
| 22:09.33 | MentalPower | ~whatis lart |
| 22:09.38 | Tain | ~wtf lart |
| 22:14.35 | cmunn | I like |
| 22:14.43 | MentalPower | me too :) |
| 22:17.09 | me | thanks for speaking in my absence, MentalPower. Finally someone who speaks the truth. |
| 22:17.30 | MentalPower | ~whaleslap "me" |
| 22:17.33 | purl | ACTION beats "me" upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:18.09 | me | aww, it's ok. don't beat yourself up over it. |
| 22:33.10 | Osagasu | Kill me now, or I'll kill it for you! |
| 22:33.35 | me | ~kill Osagasu |
| 22:33.37 | purl | ACTION shoots a inverse anti-meson gun at Osagasu |
| 22:49.49 | Adrine | Anyone bored, relatively familiar with WoW's damage formulae, and want to sanity check a script for me? |
| 22:50.03 | me | for adrine, to be precise |
| 22:50.14 | Adrine | :P |
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| 22:57.16 | cmunn | Anyone familiar with CT_RaidAssist? |
| 22:57.20 | Kirov | adrine - don't you have an addon for that? |
| 22:57.28 | Kirov | *badoomchh* |
| 22:57.49 | cmunn | Hey, it's Kirov, how convenient |
| 22:58.01 | Kirov | where? |
| 22:58.12 | cmunn | Do you know what CT_RA_IsSendingWithVersion(version) does? |
| 22:58.26 | cmunn | http://wow.pastebin.com/672225 |
| 22:58.41 | me | prolly grabs the sender's version # |
| 22:58.47 | me | passed in the msg |
| 22:58.56 | me | or a previous msg |
| 22:59.16 | cmunn | But what of line 7? that confuses the crap out of me. |
| 22:59.27 | zeeg | hrm |
| 23:00.08 | NotKirov | kinda' nasty function |
| 23:02.53 | me | if it's not the leader and not you and their version is known and their version is higher than yours and their name comes before yours alphabeticly return nil |
| 23:03.23 | NotKirov | the name before yours thing is weird |
| 23:03.25 | cmunn | Yea, that last part kinda confuses me.. |
| 23:03.40 | cmunn | I imagine it exists for a reason... |
| 23:03.53 | me | prolly used for choosing who broadcasts something |
| 23:04.06 | NotKirov | ah |
| 23:04.12 | NotKirov | that makes sense |
| 23:05.10 | Kirov | It's used for when someone new joins the ctra channel, this determins who spams the current mts and any other relavent info |
| 23:05.31 | cmunn | AH HAH |
| 23:05.42 | cmunn | That finally makes sense |
| 23:05.56 | Kirov | only used by MTs and quiet mode |
| 23:06.28 | me | right, all channel broadcasters have to do something similar, or use poling |
| 23:07.01 | me | or everyone broadcasts their own nfo, which has its own set of problems |
| 23:10.38 | Maldivia | Kirov, could you use that list of enchant link ids? |
| 23:11.43 | Kirov | for a mod? |
| 23:11.54 | zeeg | there |
| 23:12.00 | zeeg | added like 8 more dbc schemas :) |
| 23:12.06 | Kirov | probably not, though I might dump it on to the wiki |
| 23:12.10 | Kirov | if it's not already there |
| 23:12.43 | Maldivia | Kirov: well, I don't know what you were talking about ealier, can't remember, just saw you mentioned something about enchant ids, and getting them :) |
| 23:13.35 | Kirov | Specifically I was refering to matching item enchant ids and their enchants (possibly through the enchant link id) |
| 23:13.43 | Kirov | for wowwiki |
| 23:14.04 | Maldivia | ahh ,ok |
| 23:14.48 | Maldivia | I can do a quick dump for you for that, if you want |
| 23:15.28 | zeeg | hrm |
| 23:15.30 | zeeg | Maldivia, do you remember |
| 23:15.35 | zeeg | in itemrandomproperties |
| 23:15.42 | zeeg | the enchant's, do they link to itemechants dbc or the spell dbc |
| 23:15.58 | zeeg | spellitemenchantments that is, or spell |
| 23:16.04 | Maldivia | spellitemenchant, I think |
| 23:16.25 | zeeg | kk |
| 23:16.54 | Kirov | Maldivia - did you look at this? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_TYPE_ItemString |
| 23:18.41 | Maldivia | Kirov: you want enchant to enchant link id to enchant id ? |
| 23:18.51 | Maldivia | Kirov: I can make a quick dump of that, if you want |
| 23:19.06 | Kirov | how can you get the enchant id from the enchant link id? |
| 23:19.32 | Kirov | (enchant id - meaning the id used in the item links, enchant link id - meaning the actual enchant description link) |
| 23:20.00 | Kirov | and sure |
| 23:24.15 | Maldivia | Kirov: http://nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/wow/enchant.txt |
| 23:24.50 | Kirov | zzOLD? |
| 23:24.55 | Kirov | lol |
| 23:25.16 | Maldivia | don't ask me... that's Blizzard's naming policy :) |
| 23:26.00 | me | but you can ask Maldivia, he'll know |
| 23:26.08 | Maldivia | lol |
| 23:27.07 | Kirov | cool |
| 23:27.27 | Kirov | though the nice formating makes it harder to parse. >.< |
| 23:28.02 | Maldivia | want it comma-seperated ? |
| 23:28.35 | Kirov | I'm really evil, I make my tables for wowwiki with lua in wow |
| 23:28.52 | Kirov | so, I'd prefer it in a lua table format. =) |
| 23:29.04 | Kirov | but this is fine |
| 23:29.17 | Cairenn | some days, I'd swear my daughter hates me ... |
| 23:29.28 | Kirov | Cairenn - how old? |
| 23:29.29 | me | I've never met her. |
| 23:29.39 | Cairenn | 18 ... DDR for the last hour ... good workout though |
| 23:29.51 | Adrine | Upstairs room? :) |
| 23:29.54 | Kirov | Cairenn - 18? Then yes, she does hate you. |
| 23:30.06 | Shadowd | Whats wrong with DDR! |
| 23:30.09 | Cairenn | Adrine: no, together ... |
| 23:30.14 | Kirov | Shadowd - it's the "for an hour" part |
| 23:30.15 | Adrine | Ahaha, ok |
| 23:30.25 | Adrine | I can think of worse forms of exercise! |
| 23:30.33 | me | if she plays ddr with you she doesn't hate you.. |
| 23:30.41 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 23:30.51 | Cairenn | naw, she doesn't hate me, we actually get along really well |
| 23:30.56 | Kirov | karl - depends on if she's trying to get Cairenn to keel over or not |
| 23:31.02 | Cairenn | just, oh lord ... *pant* *pant* |
| 23:31.03 | Shadowd | Kirov: I fail to see your point |
| 23:31.05 | me | there are easier ways |
| 23:31.38 | Kirov | Shadowd - um ... Cairenn _isn't_ 18? |
| 23:32.08 | Cairenn | Kirov: >< I'm not *that* old, thank you :p |
| 23:32.19 | Kirov | hehe |
| 23:32.25 | Adrine | Good lord, Crytek does nice work. |
| 23:32.26 | Adrine | http://uk.media.pc.ign.com/media/694/694190/img_3533357.html |
| 23:32.35 | Adrine | http://uk.media.pc.ign.com/media/694/694190/img_3533354.html |
| 23:33.36 | me | photoshop ftw |
| 23:33.46 | Adrine | Nah, that's just Crytek. |
| 23:33.57 | Adrine | They pull off some amazing-looking stuff. |
| 23:34.08 | Adrine | Far Cry was phenominal for its time. It still looks good even today. |
| 23:34.22 | me | now... can anyone get >10fps |
| 23:34.30 | Adrine | That's the question. *grin* |
| 23:34.36 | Maldivia | Kirov: http://nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/wow/enchant.lua :) |
| 23:34.38 | Adrine | There's a reason Far Cry is still used in video card benchmarks! |
| 23:36.22 | Kirov | Adrine - http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/702/702309/crysis-20060419092919286.jpg - that's what gets me |
| 23:36.47 | Adrine | I can't wait to see that in realtime |
| 23:36.51 | me | it's gotten me nowhere.. |
| 23:44.35 | Maldivia | night time... |
| 23:44.47 | Cairenn | night Maldivia |
| 23:44.55 | Maldivia | night |
| 23:45.54 | Adrine | Aaaahahahaha |
| 23:46.09 | Adrine | I love it when people are pwnt with math and then scream "That's just theorycraft, it doesn't actually mean anything!" |
| 23:46.17 | Adrine | It's so deliciously pathetic. |
| 23:47.30 | zeeg | you mean |
| 23:47.35 | zeeg | you cant wait to see that in 20fps |
| 23:47.36 | zeeg | :P |
| 23:47.47 | zeeg | that does look good tho |
| 23:47.57 | Adrine | Hey, 20 FPS is good enough for me. |
| 23:50.57 | me | esp considering me's computer |
| 23:52.31 | Miravlix | If anyone on the wow forum is smart enough to write a realistic theorycraft post, then wtf are they doing writing the post in the first place. |
| 23:52.51 | Kirov | zeeg - the company I work at, we're working on some similar stuff. |
| 23:53.06 | Kirov | It's possible to do it real-time at decent frame rates. |
| 23:53.07 | zeeg | neat, similar to what |
| 23:53.08 | zeeg | :P |
| 23:53.17 | zeeg | i dont even know what the discussion is on, good graphics? |
| 23:53.25 | Kirov | They're just doing it well. |
| 23:53.34 | Kirov | crysis engine stuff |
| 23:53.59 | Iriel|working | I still want LoTR movie quality graphics, real time, full screen |
| 23:54.08 | me | couple yrs |
| 23:54.18 | Iriel|working | I've given the industry 5 years from fellowship |
| 23:54.25 | Kirov | Iriel - we're still trying to get to toystory graphics real-time. >.< |
| 23:54.31 | Miravlix | I want virtual reality suits to go with those graphics |
| 23:54.55 | Kirov | There's a LOT that precomputed cg can do that we can't, and probably won't be able to do for a long long time. |
| 23:55.20 | Miravlix | Anyone else think the concept of a VR suit is weird? |
| 23:55.33 | me | nothing orig |
| 23:55.35 | Miravlix | Equiping some tightifighting rubber suit |
| 23:55.36 | Kirov | Anything to do with reflections and refractions, real-time isn't going to be able to do anywhere near the same quality. |
| 23:56.12 | Miravlix | For crying out loud make a hole in my skull and plug a computer in there instead to do it, none of this jucky suit thing. |
| 23:56.17 | Iriel|working | true, but it's my mental benchmark 8-) |
| 23:57.00 | Kirov | Our real-time skin rendering is getting close to on-par with stuff they're doing in movies though |
| 23:57.38 | Kirov | But that's mainly because most of that stuff is decently easy, and going the step further is still more work than the movies are willing to do. |
| 23:58.20 | Iriel|working | Much of the refraction work can be faked also |
| 23:58.36 | Iriel|working | reflections are still a bitch to do nicely, everyone pretty much cheats |
| 23:58.54 | Iriel|working | Though I give DDO props for going for rendered reflections (low res as they are) |
| 23:59.24 | Kirov | It also helps that the guy who's pioneering a lot of this work is also doing it in ways that can be reproduced real-time on todays or upcoming hardware |
| 23:59.41 | Kirov | We're all a long way from getting to this though |
| 23:59.41 | Kirov | http://graphics.ucsd.edu/~henrik/images/imgs/layered_skin_model.jpg |
