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| 00:03.15 | Miravlix | Anyone have any addons they can claim has a 1.10.1 issue? |
| 00:04.59 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.05 | Miravlix | The UI has a new version? |
| 00:05.27 | Cairenn | no, it doesn't |
| 00:05.50 | Cairenn | I ran the CUI after downloading and applying the patch and the toc is the same |
| 00:06.04 | Miravlix | Hmm, confused about the load out of date addon button? |
| 00:06.19 | Cairenn | it does that on every patch (mini or full) now |
| 00:06.29 | Cairenn | they started doing that in 1.9 |
| 00:06.39 | Miravlix | Yeah it disable the button |
| 00:06.51 | Miravlix | and if the guy reporting hasn't updated his addons |
| 00:07.08 | Miravlix | it would show them as out of date until he clicked the button again |
| 00:07.33 | Cairenn | yup |
| 00:07.45 | Cairenn | but no, there is NOT a new version number |
| 00:10.31 | Kirkburn | There hasn't been a new toc number for a minor patch since, well, a very long time indeed. |
| 00:11.12 | Kirkburn | It wouldn't make sense anyway |
| 00:11.35 | Miravlix | Slouken did bitchslap us in 1.10.1 |
| 00:11.42 | Miravlix | so for once it would make sense. :p |
| 00:11.46 | Kirov | ? |
| 00:11.59 | Miravlix | More major ui changes |
| 00:12.31 | Miravlix | More function disabled for hooking among other things |
| 00:15.51 | Kemayo | What major UI changes do you refer to? |
| 00:16.02 | cladhaire | Miravlix: What functions got protected? |
| 00:16.13 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4425 |
| 00:16.29 | Kemayo | Thanks, Cairenn! |
| 00:16.33 | Cairenn | np |
| 00:18.03 | zenzelezz | "Fixed a bug that crashed the client when players in Moonkin, Noggenfogger, Gordok Ogre Suit, Hallow's End form/costume attempted to create a guild tabard." <--- I find bugs like these odd |
| 00:18.15 | cladhaire | zenzelezz: So did they likely =) |
| 00:18.21 | Kemayo | Those don't seem to qualify as "major UI changes". They look more like "fixed some bugs"... |
| 00:19.48 | Miravlix | They broke Tacklebox with the update |
| 00:20.07 | Miravlix | Don't see any mention of it in the notes |
| 00:20.30 | Kirov | Tacklebox would of been broken by 1.10 |
| 00:20.33 | Miravlix | Also we can't figure out why Libram freezes the UI |
| 00:20.39 | Miravlix | No |
| 00:20.46 | Miravlix | We made TB work in 1.10 |
| 00:21.04 | Miravlix | But it's dead in 1.10.1 |
| 00:21.23 | Kirov | How'd you make it work in 1.10? |
| 00:21.43 | Miravlix | Easy, we wrote some code and then it worked. :) |
| 00:22.01 | Kirov | heh |
| 00:22.12 | Kirov | Tacklebox recasts the line after you loot, right? |
| 00:22.46 | Miravlix | I didn't write the code, so I would prefair not reporting on something everyone can better see by reading the code. |
| 00:23.20 | Miravlix | It easy cast (cast by click) and loot recast |
| 00:23.48 | AnduinLothar | slouken fixed MouselookStop so it only does what it says now and doesn't initiate a right click |
| 00:24.13 | Miravlix | I don't understand that |
| 00:24.15 | Kirov | ah |
| 00:24.44 | Miravlix | The code calls MLS |
| 00:25.05 | Miravlix | But don't we steal the binding for RMB |
| 00:25.14 | Miravlix | and hand it back after we are done? |
| 00:25.46 | Crispix | :p |
| 00:25.46 | Shouryuu_ | god damn servers |
| 00:25.53 | AnduinLothar | sortof but MouselookStop used to do what the normal function used did and wasn't tainted |
| 00:25.57 | Crispix | I'm here kirk :) |
| 00:26.05 | Crispix | You're welcome |
| 00:26.07 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 00:26.23 | Miravlix | if ( not TackleBox.KeyBinding ) then |
| 00:26.23 | Miravlix | TackleBox.KeyBinding = GetBindingKey("TURNORACTION"); |
| 00:26.23 | Miravlix | end |
| 00:26.23 | Miravlix | if ( TackleBox.KeyBinding ) then |
| 00:26.23 | Miravlix | SetBinding(TackleBox.KeyBinding, "TACKLEBOX_TURNORACTION"); |
| 00:26.24 | Miravlix | end |
| 00:26.53 | Kirkburn | I'm listening to compiled Scrubs soundtracks from the first four seasons, great music. |
| 00:27.12 | Miravlix | --Simulate call to TurnOrActionStop |
| 00:27.12 | Miravlix | MouselookStop(); |
| 00:27.21 | Kirkburn | Crispix, I should probably mention I just updated CF, then |
| 00:28.05 | Miravlix | I don't see what us calling MLS as a function has to do with anything here |
| 00:28.24 | Miravlix | No change to MLS should effect us at all, we just call it to emulate a normal keypress |
| 00:28.54 | Kirkburn | Right, I'm off now. Off to England, and then to France, in fact |
| 00:29.54 | Kirkburn | As one does. Back in about 2 weeks, see you all then! |
| 00:30.10 | Kirkburn | (I doubt I'll get net access at all) |
| 00:30.37 | Crispix | Bye my friend :) |
| 00:30.58 | Kirkburn | Byeee |
| 00:31.13 | Miravlix | Maybe you two should get a private room |
| 00:31.57 | Kirkburn | And on that note, I close this window. |
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| 00:33.17 | Shouryuu_ | this is going to be a very very very long day |
| 00:33.31 | Kirov | heh |
| 00:33.50 | catch23[work] | what's WoWI? it sounded similar to wow.... |
| 00:34.00 | Kirov | wowinterface |
| 00:34.03 | Kirov | .com |
| 00:34.06 | catch23[work] | ahh |
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| 00:34.24 | catch23[work] | bah, i thought people joined here to talk about wow! i'm leaving then :P |
| 00:34.44 | Kirov | heh |
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| 00:35.10 | MentalPower | ok... |
| 00:36.38 | Codayus | ..... |
| 00:36.45 | Cairenn | they do |
| 00:36.48 | Codayus | that was....random |
| 00:36.55 | Kirov | I think I'm going to make a mod called "Look At the Pretty Buttons" |
| 00:37.03 | Cairenn | but they talk about coding for wow :p |
| 00:37.08 | Cairenn | moron |
| 00:37.20 | Kirov | Cairenn - I think it might be a little outside what he was looking to talk about |
| 00:37.29 | Cairenn | ya think? |
| 00:37.33 | Codayus | we're probably better off without him. :-) |
| 00:37.41 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 00:37.57 | Kirov | Could of been worse |
| 00:38.00 | Shouryuu_ | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=358026&p=1&tmp=1#post358026 looks rather cool |
| 00:38.17 | Kirov | He could of been typing with his capslock key on, and realized this WAS a WoW channel |
| 00:38.38 | Kirov | Shouryuu yeah |
| 00:40.07 | Miravlix | Is it actually usefull? |
| 00:40.15 | Shouryuu_ | who cares |
| 00:40.15 | Miravlix | Seems like a big joke to me? |
| 00:40.25 | Shouryuu_ | most of the UI aren't necessary to play the game |
| 00:40.32 | Kirov | looks cool |
| 00:40.38 | Shouryuu_ | yeah |
| 00:41.03 | Shouryuu_ | Blizz clear dungeaons with the default UI, so I guess we don't really need UIs to start with |
| 00:41.09 | Miravlix | Oh it shines, ZOMG! |
| 00:41.16 | Shouryuu_ | exactly :P |
| 00:41.27 | Kirov | Might be useful for use with the XBox 360 controller mod |
| 00:41.27 | Miravlix | to freaking old for that kind of stuff |
| 00:42.34 | Shouryuu_ | why do the servers freal out after maintainance |
| 00:42.51 | zenzelezz | in which way? |
| 00:43.11 | Shouryuu_ | Well right now I can't even connect to WoW |
| 00:43.22 | Codayus | becaused bliz hates you. they dislike us all in general. but *you* they hate in specific. |
| 00:43.25 | Shouryuu_ | "Could not connect to World Of Warcraft, please try again later" |
| 00:43.26 | Codayus | True story. |
| 00:43.28 | zenzelezz | login issues I would expect is mostly due to the number of people trying to get in all at once, altough of course they could have messed something up |
| 00:43.33 | Shouryuu_ | Codayus I KNEW IT! |
| 00:44.13 | Shouryuu_ | but still, servers were fine earlier, right now I can't even log to the character selection screen |
| 00:44.37 | Miravlix | Thats because of to many bits flitting around |
| 00:44.39 | Codayus | just your server? |
| 00:44.57 | Shouryuu_ | maybe dunno |
| 00:45.03 | Codayus | if so, consider it a sign that you should roll an alt. |
| 00:45.06 | Shouryuu_ | server is shown as up on the official site |
| 00:45.10 | Codayus | :-) |
| 00:45.13 | Shouryuu_ | =( |
| 00:45.18 | Codayus | on another server obviously. |
| 00:45.35 | Shouryuu_ | gonna try and log ona nother server |
| 00:46.47 | Shouryuu_ | greatt my computer decided to play with my head too |
| 00:47.20 | Qzot | Back. |
| 00:48.01 | Qzot | Is anyone able to log in? I haven't been able to authenticate all day.. |
| 00:48.17 | Shouryuu_ | me neither |
| 00:48.24 | Shouryuu_ | I managed 6 hours ago |
| 00:48.47 | Qzot | But most people must be getting in, since they say that "authentication issues have subsided". |
| 00:49.11 | Shouryuu_ | Yata! |
| 00:49.14 | Shouryuu_ | I'm in! |
| 00:49.28 | Shouryuu_ | see ya sucker! :P |
| 00:49.56 | Qzot | Um. Before you go, Shouryuu, what's your net address? |
| 00:50.12 | Qzot | I'm doing a, ah, um, survey. |
| 00:50.16 | Miravlix | Do /whois Shouryuu_ |
| 00:50.55 | Qzot | Miravlix: Tnx. |
| 00:51.18 | Qzot | Shouryuu_: If you experience a DoS, it wasn't me. |
| 00:51.20 | Shouryuu_ | omg.. My server crashed |
| 00:51.34 | Codayus | lol |
| 00:51.44 | Codayus | Clearly Qzot. |
| 00:51.44 | Qzot | I'm so sorry ... sucker. |
| 00:51.48 | Shouryuu_ | lol |
| 00:51.51 | Miravlix | 8 mins until EU maintenance starts |
| 00:51.53 | Shouryuu_ | I spent 5 mins in game |
| 00:52.07 | Qzot | Don't brag. |
| 00:52.28 | Shouryuu_ | lol |
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| 00:53.25 | Qzot | "In addition, players that logged off in Kalimdor may not be able to log back in." |
| 00:53.38 | Shouryuu_ | yeah lol |
| 00:53.53 | Qzot | "...and visiting this continent may result in disconnection." |
| 00:54.02 | Qzot | Yeah. Who would ever visit Kalimdor, anyway? |
| 00:56.28 | Kirov | heh |
| 00:57.33 | Miravlix | Is there actually anything worth doing in the eastern kingdom? |
| 00:58.15 | Miravlix | Besides cybering in the tram |
| 00:58.23 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 00:58.29 | Codayus | hmm, MC/BWL/ZG? |
| 00:58.35 | Kirov | Not being in the Barrens |
| 00:58.44 | Kirov | Or desolace |
| 00:58.44 | Codayus | what kirov said |
| 00:58.47 | Kirov | Or tanaris |
| 00:59.01 | Miravlix | Who needs MC/BWL/ZG with AQ |
| 00:59.18 | Codayus | <shrug> |
| 00:59.44 | zenzelezz | granted I haven't done either of them, and most raiders only want loot, MC/BWL looks more interesting than AQ :o |
| 01:00.27 | Miravlix | I was under the impressiong AQ had the latest and greatest loot |
| 01:00.49 | Codayus | aq40, maybe |
| 01:00.57 | Miravlix | Only noobs need to still do the old dungeons |
| 01:01.01 | Codayus | but you can only clear once per week |
| 01:02.12 | zenzelezz | I was merely talking about how interesting the actual raiding seemed in the instances, not the loot. AQ just looks... dull |
| 01:02.23 | Codayus | besides, there's plenty of non-noobs that could still benefit from t2 armor. :-) |
| 01:02.36 | Codayus | aq40 set is more of a sidegrade. |
| 01:02.38 | Miravlix | If they don't have full t2 they are noobs |
| 01:03.44 | zenzelezz | rather a noob than an elitist snob \o/ |
| 01:04.26 | Miravlix | Yeah right, like any sane person would say no to phats |
| 01:04.40 | zenzelezz | I never said I would |
| 01:05.05 | zenzelezz | but for that matter... I may not qualify as sane anyway |
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| 01:06.08 | Miravlix | Not one of WoW better designs that those raid instances is phats or *yawn* |
| 01:07.35 | zenzelezz | I'd be lying if I said I understood what you just said :o |
| 01:07.36 | Miravlix | The instanced nature had made them completely lack a competitive element. |
| 01:09.42 | Miravlix | It's not good for a MMORPG when you can beat the game |
| 01:10.37 | Miravlix | In the past one of the interesting points has been the fact you couldn't end up in a situation where you have nothing to do. |
| 01:11.58 | Miravlix | Peopele keep yelling for new content, because they have beaten the old content. |
| 01:13.38 | kremonte | lol, 60 pally named Horde.. |
| 01:14.04 | Miravlix | 60 pally named Shieldstone |
| 01:14.18 | kremonte | its called shieldhearth, gosh |
| 01:14.40 | Miravlix | I always call it stoning out |
| 01:15.12 | kremonte | most i know say hearthing |
| 01:15.13 | kremonte | ._. |
| 01:15.27 | zenzelezz | same |
| 01:15.35 | Miravlix | Weirdos! |
| 01:15.53 | zenzelezz | entirely possible |
| 01:18.50 | Codayus | 6never heard anyone call it stoning before |
| 01:19.14 | Codayus | everyo0ne knows it's hearthing. :-) |
| 01:19.25 | Cairenn | I always get stoned :p |
| 01:21.01 | Elviso | Cairenn: I have some pseudo code I made for an addon I'd like to get to work on |
| 01:21.15 | Cairenn | okay, and? |
| 01:21.17 | Elviso | and was wondering where you think the best place to post it to get developer feedback on it |
| 01:21.23 | zenzelezz | I use "hearthing", but I've pondered it often... there's just no easy way to turn it into a sensible verb |
| 01:21.32 | zenzelezz | "using my hearthstone" would be better, but too long |
| 01:21.36 | Elviso | "LUA Script help" or "General Authoring Discussion" or...? |
| 01:21.45 | Cairenn | either or |
| 01:21.54 | Elviso | ok |
| 01:22.11 | Cairenn | you know who you are going to hear from ... the folks in this channel |
| 01:22.27 | Elviso | hopefully :) |
| 01:22.28 | Cairenn | so, tell them when you've got it posted and they'll give you said feedback |
| 01:28.05 | Elviso | http://wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20517#post20517 |
| 01:28.17 | Elviso | pseudocode & brief explanation |
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| 02:04.03 | Aalny | So it looks like hijacked clicks are now eaten in 10.1 rather than passed through like they were in 10.0. People complaining of not being able to right-click anything are probably suffering from an addon that's hijacking mouse clicks (read: click fishing) |
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| 02:05.04 | Cairen1 | grrrrr |
| 02:05.35 | Cairen1 | can't play either of the characters I want, they are both on Kalimdor so the game just freezes up on me, and keep getting disconnected in here too |
| 02:06.48 | Cairen1 | someone broke my intarweb! |
| 02:15.41 | Cairen1 | fine then, I can't play WoW, I'll just have to Monty Python instead then! |
| 02:16.39 | zenzelezz | None shall pass! |
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| 02:17.47 | zenzelezz | curse you Cairen1, now I feel like watching that again |
| 02:17.54 | Cairen1 | heh |
| 02:18.49 | Miravlix | Anyone using Cosmos and freezing on login |
| 02:19.00 | Miravlix | Disable Libram, open the questlogframe, enable libram |
| 02:19.16 | Miravlix | For some reason only opening the blizzard questlogframe initialize something |
| 02:19.26 | Miravlix | after a server reboot |
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| 02:25.37 | Tem|AFK | is the login server really down as the forums claim it to be, or is it just in it's typical peak-hour state? |
| 02:26.18 | Aalny | I got in about 20 min ago |
| 02:26.30 | Aalny | I'm afraid to logout and try again though |
| 02:28.19 | Tem|AFK | I'm just trying to post on the forums |
| 02:28.57 | Cairenn | I can't log in |
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| 02:47.53 | Kirov | Adrine, you around? |
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| 03:04.23 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 03:05.35 | zenzelezz | greetings |
| 03:09.46 | AnduinLothar | so, um. I'm trying to use Iriel's LibEmbed.. anyone figured it out? |
| 03:18.12 | Kemayo | Wooooooo! My addon is finally crashing for me! |
| 03:19.33 | Kemayo | Because a distressingly large number of people have reported it crashing. And I couldn't reproduce it. |
| 03:19.36 | Esamynn | AnduinLothar: link? |
| 03:19.40 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 03:19.46 | Kemayo | And now: fixing it! |
| 03:19.50 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 03:19.57 | Kemayo | (I hope.) |
| 03:20.03 | Esamynn | *squish* |
| 03:20.19 | Kemayo | Was that my hopes and dreams that went squish? |
| 03:20.35 | Esamynn | no, the bug silly :P |
| 03:20.43 | Kemayo | Ah, an optimist. |
| 03:20.52 | Esamynn | or at least I thought it was.... |
| 03:22.25 | Esamynn | AnduinLothar: can you link what you were talking about? |
| 03:22.49 | AnduinLothar | http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/LibEmbed-0.1-11000.zip |
| 03:26.49 | Esamynn | Sigh, the readme is so elaborate, it tells you exactly what the whole point is </sarcastic> :( |
| 03:27.53 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 03:29.15 | Esamynn | I hate readmes like that |
| 03:29.48 | Esamynn | at least write a few sentences about what the entire point is, or heaven forbid an entire paragraph |
| 03:30.22 | Esamynn | on a different topic, anyone have a perfered blp viewer? |
| 03:30.41 | Iriel | I know how to use it? |
| 03:30.47 | AnduinLothar | :0 |
| 03:30.51 | AnduinLothar | figures.. |
| 03:31.05 | Esamynn | lol, Hi Iriel, I actually didn't see you there ;) |
| 03:31.13 | AnduinLothar | it's wasn't easily apparent how to use it |
| 03:32.13 | AnduinLothar | and I take it i can't load competing xml |
| 03:32.17 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: Did you read the document that goes with it? |
| 03:32.18 | AnduinLothar | as per usual |
| 03:32.27 | AnduinLothar | the 3 line readme? |
| 03:32.30 | Iriel | Esamynn : I snuck on quietly earlier |
| 03:32.33 | AnduinLothar | or the code? |
| 03:32.53 | Iriel | http://www.iriel.org/wow/addondev/embedlibrary1.html |
| 03:32.55 | Iriel | That |
| 03:33.06 | AnduinLothar | nope, i didn't |
| 03:33.17 | Esamynn | ahh, ha |
| 03:33.18 | Iriel | It _might_ help 8-) |
| 03:33.23 | Esamynn | yep ;) |
| 03:33.50 | Iriel | Anyway, sorry for the idleness, I got a new toy and was fiddling in the other room with it |
| 03:34.02 | Iriel | I say 'toy' but it's primarily intended for work |
| 03:34.14 | AnduinLothar | uh huh |
| 03:35.12 | Iriel | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1823700,00.asp |
| 03:35.56 | Esamynn | yep, definately a new toy ;) |
| 03:37.07 | Iriel | A step towards my goal of less paper everywhere |
| 03:37.11 | Esamynn | sigh, I've found a minor annoyance in the lastest Interface extraction tool, it still extracts the art files directly to the Interface directory :( |
| 03:37.25 | AnduinLothar | mine didn't |
| 03:37.51 | Esamynn | hmm |
| 03:37.59 | AnduinLothar | "Blizzard Interface Art" in my wow folder |
| 03:38.12 | Cairenn | mine the same as AnduinLothar |
| 03:38.15 | Esamynn | oh damn, i've still got an old executable hanging around :( |
| 03:38.40 | Esamynn | that would be why |
| 03:39.45 | AnduinLothar | after having skimmed all that irel, i'm still confused |
| 03:40.02 | AnduinLothar | granted, i didn't read it all thuroghly.. |
| 03:40.59 | AnduinLothar | i'm just finding it ironic that there's a whole research paper on what it is and why it exists and i still don't know how to use it |
| 03:41.07 | AnduinLothar | might just b me |
| 03:42.18 | Iriel | Well, it's solving several problems |
| 03:42.25 | Iriel | which is why it's a bit daunting at first |
| 03:42.35 | Iriel | the design document explains what it's doing and then how to use it |
| 03:42.37 | Iriel | It's not THAT bad 8-) |
| 03:43.25 | AnduinLothar | so... where do i put it |
| 03:44.00 | Kemayo | Are there any WoW debug tools? (With stepping-through-an-addon and/or really extensive log output.) |
| 03:44.16 | Iriel | AnduinLothar L |
| 03:44.39 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : You put the stub in one of your lua files, and then you register your library with it |
| 03:44.56 | Esamynn | Iriel: it looks like a neat idea, i'm going to continue reading it after dinner |
| 03:45.27 | Esamynn | Iriel: I actually have something i'm working on that might be a good use for such an idea |
| 03:45.32 | AnduinLothar | so LibEmbed I put in the AddOns folder? |
| 03:46.08 | Iriel | Are you SURE that I didn't write all of this in the readme? |
| 03:46.15 | Iriel | The version i'm looking at tells you what to do |
| 03:46.34 | AnduinLothar | this is the entirety of the readme: |
| 03:46.34 | AnduinLothar | LibEmbed - Embedded Shared Library Framework and Example |
| 03:46.35 | AnduinLothar | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 03:46.35 | AnduinLothar | This addon contains my embeddable shared library stub code and an example |
| 03:46.35 | AnduinLothar | library (with a very simple test LUA script) |
| 03:46.44 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/654982 |
| 03:47.10 | AnduinLothar | that doesn't exist in the zip |
| 03:47.16 | Iriel | dammit |
| 03:47.20 | Iriel | no wonder it's so confusing 8-) |
| 03:47.50 | AnduinLothar | ya.. |
| 03:47.55 | Iriel | Sorry about that 8-) |
| 03:48.03 | Esamynn | lol, was going to post you the extend of the readme in the zip :P |
| 03:48.55 | Iriel | I've uploaded the new version |
| 03:49.08 | AnduinLothar | anything chance other than the readme? |
| 03:49.12 | AnduinLothar | change* |
| 03:49.21 | Iriel | no |
| 03:49.47 | AnduinLothar | it still doesn't tell em where to put the LibEmbed folder/addon |
| 03:49.56 | Kemayo | Huh. QUEST_LOG_UPDATE fires a full 7 times on login. |
| 03:49.59 | Iriel | Ignore LibEmbed, it's just an example |
| 03:50.17 | Iriel | LibStub is the important file |
| 03:50.22 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 03:50.43 | Iriel | SimpleExampleLib is an example library |
| 03:50.50 | AnduinLothar | right, got that much |
| 03:50.50 | Iriel | That should have the basic structure your library would use |
| 03:51.22 | Iriel | You'd put LibStub.lua in your addon either in its own file, or as part of a larger one, and then you'd edit the PUT LIBRARY INSTANCES HERE section at the bottom |
| 03:51.35 | AnduinLothar | right, got that |
| 03:51.45 | AnduinLothar | was just very confused that there were a million files |
| 03:51.59 | AnduinLothar | when it only really needs 3 + readme |
| 03:52.08 | Iriel | Well, its runnable |
| 03:52.21 | Iriel | that's why |
| 03:52.27 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wobin_ (n=Wobin@221.221.28.25) |
| 03:52.35 | AnduinLothar | what's BreakSV for? |
| 03:52.49 | Wobin_ | hm, hullo xChat |
| 03:52.55 | Wobin_ | this will take some getting used to |
| 03:53.07 | AnduinLothar | and why are you loading the lua with an otherwise empty xml.. |
| 03:53.29 | Iriel | I'm not |
| 03:54.00 | AnduinLothar | <script file="BreakSV.lua"/> is the only thing between the Ui tags in BreakSV.xml |
| 03:54.00 | Iriel | Now i'm really puzzled |
| 03:54.29 | Iriel | OH! |
| 03:54.31 | Iriel | I see why |
| 03:54.48 | Iriel | Ditch that version and grab the new one (0.2-11000.zip) |
| 03:54.52 | Esamynn | lol |
| 03:54.54 | AnduinLothar | ok.. |
| 03:55.49 | AnduinLothar | anything else change ;) |
| 03:56.30 | Iriel | I would say 'No' but I'm going to say 'It's safer just to imagine ti was all wrong' 8-) |
| 03:56.34 | Iriel | Though chances are it was fine |
| 03:56.40 | Iriel | That zip file was a mess 8-( |
| 03:56.45 | AnduinLothar | i noticed.. |
| 03:56.48 | Wobin_ | hrm, anyone else use xchat? |
| 03:56.51 | AnduinLothar | i do |
| 03:57.04 | Wobin_ | Any way to get two channels on the screen at the same time? |
| 03:57.08 | AnduinLothar | i assume UpdateUI.xml is for some auto-downloader i dont have |
| 03:57.10 | Wobin_ | Sort of tiled |
| 03:57.29 | AnduinLothar | not that i know of wobin, but i haven't tried |
| 03:57.34 | AnduinLothar | i just use tabs |
| 03:57.42 | Wobin_ | or is there a keybinding to switch to the 'other' channels? |
| 03:57.43 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Yes, I think it was zeeg's but i dont remember |
| 03:57.52 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : My build script generates the files |
| 03:58.02 | AnduinLothar | thought zeegs was a toc thing.. |
| 03:58.25 | zenzelezz | Wobin_: alt+number keys |
| 03:59.12 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : As I said, I dont really remember, it's an "old" one tho, I dont even know if anyone uses it anymore |
| 03:59.22 | AnduinLothar | mmk |
| 03:59.28 | AnduinLothar | baweeted |
| 03:59.38 | AnduinLothar | ok. 4 files.. makes more sense |
| 03:59.59 | AnduinLothar | and LibEmbed.lua is for... |
| 04:00.44 | Iriel | it just tests that it works |
| 04:00.45 | Wobin_ | zenzelezz: brilliant, ta |
| 04:00.46 | Iriel | it's my "demo" one |
| 04:01.05 | AnduinLothar | demo of using the lib? |
| 04:01.18 | AnduinLothar | or jsut a test case |
| 04:01.43 | Iriel | It makes copies of the lib and shows how activation etc works |
| 04:02.22 | AnduinLothar | activation? |
| 04:04.08 | Iriel | LibActivate being called on a library instance |
| 04:04.43 | Iriel | (i.e. the library is new and is the most recent version, so it gets activated) |
| 04:04.54 | Iriel | If it replaced an old version, than that version will be discarded |
| 04:04.54 | Iriel | etc |
| 04:04.57 | AnduinLothar | LibActivate isn't in LibEmbed.lua, i assume it's called by some middleman call |
| 04:05.25 | AnduinLothar | ah, regster |
| 04:05.28 | AnduinLothar | register* |
| 04:06.54 | AnduinLothar | it's simulating multiple instanced of the embedded lib? |
| 04:07.41 | AnduinLothar | kk, i get it. just missing some one line description comments that would make it easier to understand |
| 04:08.59 | AnduinLothar | like a "WTF does THIS file do... |
| 04:11.50 | AnduinLothar | well, now that i've figured out the poor lib i don't think i can use it |
| 04:12.00 | AnduinLothar | cause my libs are never pure libs... |
| 04:12.10 | AnduinLothar | would work for ismounted or sea |
| 04:12.18 | AnduinLothar | maybe chronos |
| 04:12.57 | AnduinLothar | but i'd have to do some magic Dynamic frames if i wanted to make my curren endevor embedible |
| 04:13.08 | AnduinLothar | which might be worth figuring out.. |
| 04:13.26 | Iriel | Aye, if you need XML it can't really help you, but on the other hand, many (but not all) things can be done dynamically now |
| 04:14.08 | AnduinLothar | well, lets see... i need to use some templates.. so i'd have to write them all in dynamic-ness from scratch.. |
| 04:14.23 | AnduinLothar | like... UIPanelScrollFrameTemplate |
| 04:14.30 | AnduinLothar | sounds like a royal pain in the ass |
| 04:14.37 | Iriel | Indeed 8-) |
| 04:14.49 | AnduinLothar | can i do Backdrops with dynamic frames? |
| 04:15.10 | AnduinLothar | what about BORDER Layers |
| 04:15.22 | Kaelten | anyone good at reading string patterns? |
| 04:15.44 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Yes |
| 04:15.49 | Iriel | Kaelten : You mean regular expressions? |
| 04:16.04 | Kaelten | find(str, '[^:]*: 0x(.*)$') |
| 04:16.06 | Kaelten | like that |
| 04:16.16 | Iriel | Ah, yes |
| 04:16.51 | Kaelten | trying to figure out what the pattern would be expecting |
| 04:17.04 | Iriel | 0 or more not-colons, than a colon, space, 0, x, and then anything until the end of the string |
| 04:17.08 | AnduinLothar | any number of non-collons, + a collon and a space and some hex pattern of any length |
| 04:17.11 | Iriel | table: 0x1122334455 |
| 04:17.13 | Iriel | for example |
| 04:17.37 | Kaelten | ah but in wow they appear as table: 1122334455 |
| 04:17.43 | Iriel | personally I think it's missing a ^ before the first [ |
| 04:17.49 | AnduinLothar | prolly |
| 04:17.55 | AnduinLothar | but not necissarily |
| 04:18.20 | Iriel | Well, at present it'll match "not:a:table: 0x123456" |
| 04:18.22 | AnduinLothar | mmm, it would need a "0x" in there |
| 04:19.09 | AnduinLothar | right, well it prolly wants to grab only digits in the end too |
| 04:19.40 | AnduinLothar | and only a word or word+digits in the beginnign |
| 04:19.46 | AnduinLothar | but w/e |
| 04:19.56 | Kaelten | working with someones else's code that was written in the standalone version of lua trying to get it to work in wow |
| 04:20.02 | Kaelten | and he's afk |
| 04:20.11 | AnduinLothar | what do you need to grab (examples) |
| 04:20.27 | Kaelten | doing a to string on a table in wow returned me table: 1122334455 type data |
| 04:20.34 | Kaelten | so my guess is I should remove the 0x |
| 04:20.49 | AnduinLothar | most likely |
| 04:21.37 | Kaelten | ahah works now |
| 04:21.45 | Kaelten | thanks |
| 04:21.52 | Kaelten | I'm not that great at reading the patterns |
| 04:22.11 | AnduinLothar | a few good web sites could fix that |
| 04:22.49 | Kaelten | got any good linsk |
| 04:22.51 | Kaelten | er links |
| 04:23.13 | AnduinLothar | www.google.com ;) |
| 04:23.43 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 04:24.04 | AnduinLothar | i like http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/regex/ but i'm a python guy and regex tends to differ between langs |
| 04:24.16 | Kaelten | whats the correct name for those? string patterns? |
| 04:24.24 | AnduinLothar | regular expressions |
| 04:24.28 | AnduinLothar | regex |
| 04:24.30 | Kaelten | ah kk |
| 04:24.50 | Kaelten | doesn't lua use the C version? |
| 04:24.55 | AnduinLothar | prolly |
| 04:25.06 | Kaelten | k, thanks again I'll look it up |
| 04:25.24 | Iriel | lua has its own implementation |
| 04:25.31 | Iriel | so you need the lua manual also |
| 04:25.38 | AnduinLothar | simplified i bet |
| 04:25.45 | Iriel | lua's is a very simpl;e one, yes, small too |
| 04:26.06 | AnduinLothar | and wikipedea's entry is useful as usual |
| 04:26.07 | AnduinLothar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression |
| 04:26.51 | AnduinLothar | ok, so even if i just hand coded all the templates used to repro a UIPanelScrollFrameTemplate it would be a few hundred lines of code |
| 04:27.05 | AnduinLothar | not to mention converting it to be dynamic |
| 04:27.24 | AnduinLothar | tho it might be nifty to have a lib that has dynamic versions of the templates |
| 04:27.53 | AnduinLothar | not today |
| 04:29.00 | Wobin_ | lua has ... a horribly limited version of regex |
| 04:29.34 | AnduinLothar | really? i haven't been too bothered by it's simplicity |
| 04:30.31 | zenzelezz | probably depends on what you're used to |
| 04:30.39 | AnduinLothar | most likely |
| 04:36.14 | Wobin_ | yeah, I like | |
| 04:36.33 | Wobin_ | even if it does lead to horribly inefficient regexes =P |
| 04:45.56 | Wobin_ | Iriel! |
| 04:46.01 | Wobin_ | Are you about? |
| 04:48.49 | Iriel | Somewhat |
| 04:51.28 | Wobin_ | In regards to Compost, you said earlier that a weak key plus a boolean would work |
| 04:51.46 | Iriel | It should, yes |
| 04:51.48 | Wobin_ | But wouldn't that prevent the GC from cleaning that entry up? |
| 04:51.56 | Iriel | No, because the key would be the table |
| 04:52.02 | Iriel | and since it's weak, it's allowed to be collected |
| 04:52.02 | Wobin_ | The boolean however would |
| 04:52.09 | Iriel | booleans aren't "collectable" |
| 04:52.52 | Wobin_ | oh wait, I see |
| 04:52.59 | Iriel | but even if they were, there are only 2 of them 8-) |
| 04:53.19 | Wobin_ | meh confusing =P |
| 04:56.10 | Iriel | chuckles, that is |
| 04:58.43 | AnduinLothar | how many ways are there to equip an item? |
| 04:58.53 | Wobin_ | if a table's entries are modified by GCing weak keys/values, is the getn updated as well? |
| 04:59.47 | Wobin_ | AnduinLothar: Drag dropping, right clicking, right clicking on a replacement... |
| 04:59.55 | AnduinLothar | funcitons |
| 04:59.59 | Wobin_ | oh |
| 05:00.15 | Wobin_ | don't know off hte top of my head =) |
| 05:03.13 | Iriel | Wobin_ : No, getn would not be updated |
| 05:03.27 | Iriel | Wobin_ : Which is why mixing table.insert/table.remove and weak keys/values is inherently wierd |
| 05:03.34 | Iriel | because you end up with nils in the 'expected' set |
| 05:04.44 | Wobin_ | aha |
| 05:05.33 | *** join/#wowi-lounge slouken (n=Sam@ip68-5-42-243.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 05:06.00 | Tem | hey slouken |
| 05:06.16 | slouken | Hey Tem. I'm not going to tell you how to crash 1.10. :) |
| 05:06.34 | Tem | I saw those in the patch notes |
| 05:06.41 | Tem | was disappointed to have missed them |
| 05:06.46 | AnduinLothar | you mean he needs help? |
| 05:06.54 | Kemayo | Will you tell any of the rest of us how to crash 1.10? |
| 05:07.08 | Iriel | well, 1.10 is dead, long live 1.10.1 8-) |
| 05:07.20 | Wobin_ | You never let the rest of us play your reindeer games =( |
| 05:07.55 | Tem | Iriel: where were you putting the 1.10.1 and 1.10.2 changes? |
| 05:08.10 | Iriel | Tem: In the 1.10 thread, 2nd post |
| 05:08.21 | Tem | I just looked there, must have overlooked |
| 05:08.27 | slouken | Hey Iriel. :) |
| 05:08.40 | Tem | aaah, found em |
| 05:08.55 | Tem | oh damn, what was it that I wanted to ask slouken about |
| 05:09.09 | Tem | doesn't do me any good if I can't remember the question >< |
| 05:09.22 | Elviso | the meaning of life? |
| 05:09.27 | Iriel | Since we can now set the slider thumb texture I guess I have no excuses about adding a scrollbar to vdump |
| 05:09.28 | Wobin_ | 42 |
| 05:09.44 | Kemayo | Of course, since I'm going through FuBar which goes through Ace, I don't think I can really complain about any core WoW functionality. |
| 05:10.48 | Tem | there shouldn't be anything in Ace that could conceivable crash wow |
| 05:10.54 | Tem | I would have found it by now |
| 05:11.02 | Tem | oh I think I remember.. |
| 05:11.15 | Kemayo | Honestly, I think it's some weird loading-order thing combined with quest log leaderboards. |
| 05:11.34 | Tem | It was in relation to the fontstring object that's associated with a button |
| 05:11.42 | Tem | I just don't understand how it works |
| 05:11.56 | Tem | so it's proving very difficult to abstract |
| 05:12.11 | slouken | You have to wait for 1.10.2 |
| 05:12.19 | Tem | right |
| 05:12.22 | slouken | Being able to set a fontstring is critical. :) |
| 05:12.28 | Tem | I'm trying to get the code written before |
| 05:13.04 | Kemayo | In some situations which I have not yet really defined, iterating through GetQuestLogLeaderBoard for every quest seems to freeze WoW. (The noticible symptom being that the first parameter GetQuestLogLeaderBoard returns has the item/mob/faction name as "".) |
| 05:13.21 | Tem | I'm just at a loss for how to set stuff like the color or anchors for the different "states" |
| 05:13.34 | slouken | You can't really. |
| 05:13.41 | Tem | that makes me a sad panda |
| 05:13.48 | Tem | down with xml |
| 05:13.50 | slouken | Make up some specific requests. |
| 05:14.13 | Kaelten | tnight guys |
| 05:14.23 | slouken | If you want to set a fontstring, make a good name for the methods. :) |
| 05:14.28 | Cairenn | night Kaelten |
| 05:14.35 | Kaelten | SetNormalTextString() |
| 05:14.41 | slouken | Night Kaelten |
| 05:14.41 | Tem | later Kaelten |
| 05:14.46 | Kaelten | later |
| 05:14.48 | ckknight | cya, Kaelten |
| 05:14.56 | Tem | is having SetNormalText ect accepting a FontString object like the texture ones do out of the question? |
| 05:15.03 | Kemayo | Night Kaelten. |
| 05:15.57 | Tem | oh wait, that doesn't even exist, lol |
| 05:16.50 | Tem | So I guess that's the ideal solution |
| 05:17.15 | Tem | A set of methods that act like the Texture methods do. |
| 05:17.47 | Tem | so you could do stuff like button:SetNormalFontString(fontstring) |
| 05:17.50 | Iriel | Doesn't it just have ONE font string, and then switches which Font is applied to it? |
| 05:18.15 | Tem | I think so |
| 05:18.23 | slouken | Nope |
| 05:18.26 | slouken | It has 3 |
| 05:18.26 | Tem | but there are cases where they aren't all in the same place |
| 05:18.28 | Tem | so that's out |
| 05:18.40 | Tem | normal, highlight, disabled? |
| 05:18.58 | Iriel | Ah, 3 font strings, with the same content? |
| 05:19.12 | slouken | Yeah, on reflection, that seems kind of silly. |
| 05:19.13 | Iriel | so Button:SetText does an internal SetText on the 3 FontStrings? |
| 05:20.30 | Tem | "silly" in a per-object sense, but probably faster to hide/show the appropriate objects than changing |
| 05:20.31 | slouken | The idea at one point was to have different positioning and size for the different states. I don't think that's ever been used though. |
| 05:20.46 | slouken | It's super fast to change text color. |
| 05:21.10 | Tem | one of these days we're going to make you benchmark everything |
| 05:21.42 | Tem | I still wanna see the inards of the __index function :) |
| 05:21.52 | slouken | heh |
| 05:21.58 | AnduinLothar | so slou, i was thinkign today of making a dynamic frame... then i relized it needed to inherit UIPanelScrollFrameTemplate... |
| 05:22.11 | Tem | AnduinLothar: that means you have to do it yourself =P |
| 05:22.21 | AnduinLothar | ya.. all 600 lines |
| 05:22.23 | Tem | it's the limiting factor on dynamic frames right now |
| 05:22.33 | ckknight | slouken, if you let us inherit with dynamic frames, I'll be your best friend |
| 05:23.15 | Tem | I think inheriting from frame templates is, I think, on the same level as making poisons stick across instance portals |
| 05:23.40 | Tem | s/, I think,// |
| 05:24.07 | Tem | in that it's a technical issue that is a lot more complex than we can see |
| 05:24.53 | ckknight | I bet |
| 05:25.15 | Tem | we got a bit of a glimpse of that when LoD came out |
| 05:26.02 | slouken | ? |
| 05:26.26 | Tem | the need to add the xml files that the templates are defined to our tocs |
| 05:26.41 | slouken | ah |
| 05:26.50 | Tem | so that the xml parser can find the template we're trying to use |
| 05:27.41 | Tem | hmm, maybe if it's that simple it would be as easy as just passing the xml file's path to CreateFrame |
| 05:28.52 | Tem | for example, CreateFrame("GameTooltip","MyTooltip","GameTooltipTemplate","Interface\\FrameXML\\GameTooltipTemplate.xml") |
| 05:29.01 | Tem | oops |
| 05:29.04 | Tem | I forgot the parent |
| 05:29.09 | ckknight | that'd be cool |
| 05:29.12 | Tem | very |
| 05:29.25 | Iriel | You may need to pass more than one file |
| 05:29.30 | ckknight | hrm |
| 05:29.33 | Iriel | many of the templates are based on other templates |
| 05:29.35 | Iriel | it gets messy fast |
| 05:29.36 | Iriel | 8-( |
| 05:29.39 | Tem | oh yeah |
| 05:29.47 | Tem | that is messy |
| 05:29.48 | Iriel | Of course, the XML parser could simply remember which file it saw each template in |
| 05:29.48 | ckknight | CreateFrame("GameTooltip","MyTooltip", UIParent,"GameTooltipTemplate", ...) |
| 05:29.57 | Iriel | And then even if it doesn't remember the definitions, it knows what to load |
| 05:30.07 | ckknight | yea, that'd be handy as well |
| 05:30.09 | Iriel | But that gets fiddly making sure it only loads templates and not actual frames while it's running |
| 05:30.14 | Tem | espcially since I hear that dynamic GameTooltips are finiky |
| 05:30.16 | Iriel | which I suppose is why we dont have this yet 8-) |
| 05:30.37 | Tem | 'yet' being the important word in that sentence |
| 05:30.41 | Tem | :) |
| 05:30.44 | slouken | That's what frame libraries are for. :) |
| 05:30.50 | Tem | heh |
| 05:30.53 | Tem | I'm working on it |
| 05:31.13 | Tem | hit kind of a big bump with Buttons since they are kinda busted at the moment |
| 05:31.32 | slouken | Yep, press on and request what you need. |
| 05:31.34 | Tem | that and I have the attention span of a flea |
| 05:31.42 | slouken | (after thinking it through, of course) |
| 05:32.00 | Iriel | I've been pondering the feasibility of writing an XSLT to create lua code from blizzard frame definitions |
| 05:32.07 | Iriel | in theory it's doable, if we have all the methods |
| 05:32.28 | Tem | in this case requesting a new method was difficult for me because I didn't understand how it worked in C land |
| 05:32.36 | Tem | but now I have a better idea |
| 05:32.53 | slouken | Good night everyone... |
| 05:32.58 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 05:32.58 | zenzelezz | night |
| 05:32.59 | Iriel | Gnight |
| 05:33.03 | Tem | night slouken |
| 05:33.06 | *** part/#wowi-lounge slouken (n=Sam@ip68-5-42-243.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 05:33.08 | Tem | thanks for clearing that stuff up for us |
| 05:33.11 | Tem | d'oh! |
| 05:33.12 | Iriel | Tem: in the button case there was no reason why it shouldn't have worked 8-) |
| 05:33.30 | Tem | well, yeah |
| 05:33.39 | Tem | but the default behaviour isn't powerful enough |
| 05:33.53 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Esamynn (n=jbcc@d207-216-176-153.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 05:34.12 | Esamynn | did anyone happen to save a copy of sloukens original post about font objects? |
| 05:34.21 | Tem | I think Iriel did |
| 05:34.31 | Tem | or maybe Cair mirrored it on wowi |
| 05:34.43 | Esamynn | ooh, I handed checked wowi |
| 05:34.52 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=3859 |
| 05:34.59 | Esamynn | had not, thanks Cair |
| 05:35.04 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 05:35.39 | Cairenn | there's also always the wdn to see the actual file changes |
| 05:36.05 | Cairenn | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 05:36.11 | Tem | boo that's not it Cair |
| 05:36.13 | Esamynn | oh damnit sigh, I did |
| 05:36.19 | Esamynn | What Tem said |
| 05:36.20 | Tem | that's the 1.10 changes thread |
| 05:36.33 | Esamynn | # 1.10 Sneak peak - Font Objects: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/t...zation&t=284479 Link long dead :( |
| 05:37.04 | Cairenn | sorry, wrong one: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=3859 |
| 05:37.15 | Cairenn | but yeah, the original original is poofed |
| 05:37.50 | Cairenn | hate that blizz posts drop off |
| 05:37.59 | Tem | that's the same one cair |
| 05:38.21 | Cairenn | but frigging impossible for me to mirror every single post by him from every single thread |
| 05:38.35 | Cairenn | since they've never given us the rss feed yet :p |
| 05:38.43 | Cairenn | oh! hang on |
| 05:38.53 | Esamynn | something about them isn't clicking in my mind and I wanted to go back and read the original source info |
| 05:38.54 | Esamynn | ~cheeseslap Cairenn |
| 05:38.56 | purl | ACTION slaps Cairenn around with a slice of cheddar |
| 05:39.34 | Tem | Aren't there sites that run web-crawlers on the blizzard forums and keep a record of every "blue" post? |
| 05:39.35 | Cairenn | you can look through here: http://ui.worldofwar.net/shredder/ |
| 05:39.49 | Cairenn | Tem: yup |
| 05:39.59 | Cairenn | but not me, I don't know how to set it up :p |
| 05:40.05 | Wobin_ | oh for those of you who saw the original link... |
| 05:40.06 | Wobin_ | http://siln.livejournal.com/236678.html |
| 05:40.09 | Wobin_ | It's an update =) |
| 05:40.30 | Cairenn | besides which, I'm still waiting for blizz to come through on the promised rss feed as part of the fsp :p |
| 05:40.37 | Cairenn | omg Wobin_ |
| 05:41.28 | Esamynn | found it! |
| 05:44.45 | Esamynn | is there a problem with dynamically created FontStrings and font objects? |
| 05:45.16 | wereHamster | did the 1.10.1 patch change anything in the lua code? |
| 05:45.18 | Tem | Wobin_: what's the original link? |
| 05:45.35 | Cairenn | Tem: http://siln.livejournal.com/235478.html |
| 05:45.39 | Tem | wereHamster: I think they made some changes to the Battlefield minimap |
| 05:45.43 | Iriel | Esamynn : Not that I know of |
| 05:46.07 | Esamynn | oh wait, I know what I did wrong, silly me |
| 05:46.09 | ckknight | http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f57/Niffoni/ceiling_cat.jpg |
| 05:46.11 | wereHamster | hm.. someone said my addon doesn't work.. but I can't test it .. it's maintenance in EU |
| 05:48.47 | Esamynn | hmm, when did the :SetPoint( point ) form break? |
| 05:49.03 | Iriel | 1.10 |
| 05:49.20 | Esamynn | :( |
| 05:49.49 | sweede | anyone messed around with itemsync ? |
| 05:53.16 | Esamynn | ok, in a nutshell, what does the spacing attribute do to fonts? |
| 05:55.41 | Iriel | Goodnight all |
| 05:55.47 | Cairenn | night Iriel |
| 05:55.48 | wereHamster | night |
| 05:55.51 | Cairenn | night all, I'm out too |
| 05:56.17 | Kirov | sweede, I have |
| 05:56.18 | wereHamster | all going to bed, but I just got up :) |
| 05:57.37 | Esamynn | darn it, if a button's NormalTexture, or whatever has a name then it shows up in :GetRegions() :( |
| 05:59.16 | Esamynn | am I starting to sound like a ranting lunatic yet? ;) |
| 05:59.27 | sweede | Kirov, have you tried to add extra info to the itemsync tooltip ? |
| 06:00.02 | Kirov | nope |
| 06:03.09 | Esamynn | ok, this is odd, I create a FontString, and a Font object, apply the Font to the FontString and then set the Spacing on the Font object, but the FontString:GetSpacing() still returns the original value, while the Font:GetSpacing returns the value I set it to |
| 06:04.48 | Tem | I think this is intended |
| 06:05.49 | Tem | It's my understanding that calling FontString:SetFontObject(Font) does not create a real-time link between that FontString and Font. It only copies the settings present in the Font to the Fontstring |
| 06:06.43 | Tem | Esamynn: a button's normal texture should /always/ show up in GetRegions |
| 06:07.33 | Esamynn | Tem: would you think the same would hold true of say the PushedTexture? |
| 06:07.46 | Tem | any of them |
| 06:07.55 | Esamynn | well they don't if they don't have a name |
| 06:07.58 | Tem | at least, that's my understanding |
| 06:08.11 | Tem | oh bother |
| 06:08.21 | Tem | slouken told me about this already... |
| 06:08.27 | Esamynn | i'm going to be posting a list of Get's that are missing |
| 06:08.38 | Esamynn | GetNormalTexture, etc. included |
| 06:08.45 | Tem | I asked for GetNormalTexutre to return a texture object |
| 06:08.53 | Tem | and his reply was.... |
| 06:09.01 | Esamynn | yah I remember that |
| 06:09.31 | Esamynn | I'm going to propose to him that if the Texture is visible to the UI it return an texture object, and if not, it returns the file string |
| 06:11.27 | Esamynn | His reply was basically that those textures don't have a footprint in the UI space unless they are assigned a name when they are created |
| 06:11.50 | Tem | Yeah, unfortunately the buttons won't have texture objects for those textures. I'll think about it. It's possible to create them on the fly, but you'd bloat your memory usage if you tried to do something silly like enumerate all of the textures on all of the buttons. ;-) |
| 06:12.35 | Esamynn | Tem: On Font objects, isn't that the whole point of font objects, that the link is real time? |
| 06:12.48 | Tem | Esamynn: I'm not entirely sure |
| 06:12.53 | Esamynn | certainly if I change the font object's colour the fontstring changes |
| 06:13.02 | Elviso | Wobin_, is that your livejournal? |
| 06:13.04 | Tem | I never did learn how they work |
| 06:13.14 | Wobin_ | Not mine =) |
| 06:13.24 | Esamynn | http://ui.worldofwar.net/shredder/index.php?seite=kobold&&pid=10012 |
| 06:13.25 | Tem | funny, funny stuff |
| 06:13.46 | Esamynn | Tem: thats a cache of the original Font objects post |
| 06:13.52 | Tem | oh good |
| 06:13.54 | Tem | thanks |
| 06:14.58 | Tem | oh, hmm |
| 06:15.11 | Tem | maybe that was the original intent, but it was changed? |
| 06:15.20 | Tem | or maybe it's a bug |
| 06:15.26 | Tem | try with other attributes? |
| 06:15.46 | Tem | oh wait |
| 06:15.48 | Tem | I'm crazy |
| 06:15.53 | Esamynn | what i'm trying to do is write a library function that can take in a frame that has NOT been modified since it was created from a template and copy it as if you gave it the XML virtual template, and bingo templates for CreateFrame ;) |
| 06:16.10 | Tem | oh |
| 06:16.13 | Esamynn | only one it doesn't work for so far is Spacing |
| 06:16.14 | Tem | good luck to you |
| 06:16.28 | Esamynn | i've found a bunch of missing Get methods in the process ;) |
| 06:16.28 | Tem | we are missing a lot of Get* methods |
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| 06:16.38 | Esamynn | going to bug Slouken about them |
| 06:16.54 | Tem | yeah, I've been working on a frame creation library and finding bunch of the "holes" in the api in the process |
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| 06:18.47 | wereHamster | Tem, did you already release it? |
| 06:19.01 | Tem | no |
| 06:19.15 | Tem | I saw someone released a frame pool |
| 06:19.21 | Tem | but that wasn't me |
| 06:19.31 | wereHamster | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4822 .. just a quick hack :) |
| 06:20.01 | Tem | I'm not really planning on doing anything like that |
| 06:20.17 | Tem | I just can't find a good reason to go to the effort of a frame pool |
| 06:20.23 | Tem | not for anything I'm doing |
| 06:22.02 | Tem | oh, that's you? |
| 06:22.05 | wereHamster | you mean more a library to replace CreateFrame() etc? |
| 06:22.08 | Tem | Shaq == wereHamster |
| 06:22.14 | wereHamster | Shag.. like Shaggy |
| 06:22.50 | Tem | sorry, small text + sitting too far + bad font choice + underlined = confused Tem |
| 06:22.50 | wereHamster | I'm glad that I don't live in the USA.. I'd be already sued over there :) |
| 06:23.22 | Tem | I doubt it |
| 06:23.35 | wereHamster | that's ok.. I'm used to be called Shaq.. my guildmates call me that |
| 06:23.58 | Tem | heh |
| 06:24.26 | Tem | yeah, if I was going to write a frame pool, it would be via hooking CreateFrame |
| 06:25.59 | Tem | and I'd stick a Destroy method on them that removed every possible script, ClearAllPoints, then called Destroy on all children of it |
| 06:31.20 | wereHamster | I don't really see much point in caching single objects, like frames, textures or buttons. My library is designed to operate on 'frame-blocks' that are more or less addon-specific, for example buff-icon-frames with icon texture, overlay, artwork, description font string etc. Although one could add a factory for barebone textures and fonts to my library |
| 06:33.08 | wereHamster | Tem, .. who and when calls the Destroy() method? |
| 06:33.45 | Tem | it would be up to authors to call it |
| 06:33.56 | Tem | but I see your point |
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| 06:51.52 | Esamynn | night all, i'm out |
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| 07:09.21 | s|loup | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/factions/cenarion/ <-- all leatherworking recipes are mail? |
| 07:11.26 | zenzelezz | it's the new Uber-Heavy Leather |
| 07:11.58 | krka|work | hunter/shaman-leather :) |
| 07:12.08 | Elviso | s|loup: there's alot of mail leatherworking items |
| 07:12.27 | Elviso | dragonscale LW is primarily mail items |
| 07:12.42 | s|loup | but i dont want mail items as a druid ;) |
| 07:13.01 | Elviso | then I hope you were a good druid and took tribal LW :) |
| 07:13.19 | s|loup | i do but why are there no recipes for me? |
| 07:13.29 | Elviso | for tribal? |
| 07:13.43 | s|loup | not at cenarius hold |
| 07:14.10 | Elviso | yeah my druid would like some more tribal recipes as well, devilsaur just doesn't sell like it used to :\ |
| 07:14.36 | wereHamster | I HATE THE FORUMS.. there I write a long post, press submit and it says 'body invalid' WTF ? |
| 07:14.46 | Elviso | although I'll admit there's many people in my guild wearing some Chimeric items for AQ |
| 07:15.28 | s|loup | the option to get a recipe from the hidden guy in silithius is also going to 0 because he only sends blacksmithing and tailoring as i know |
| 07:15.52 | Elviso | http://wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20544#post20544 |
| 07:29.26 | Miravlix | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2419 <- worst addon ever? |
| 07:30.38 | Miravlix | Raping the event system, just doesn't seem like a cool idea. |
| 07:32.30 | Aalny|afk | seriously |
| 07:33.16 | krka|work | heh, looks kinda cool |
| 07:33.50 | Aalny|afk | blindly mucking about with events is just asking for trouble |
| 07:34.14 | wereHamster | "for i in pairs(self.var.handlers) do return true end" could be done using "return next(self.var.handlers) ", right? |
| 07:34.31 | krka|work | hopefully it'll get blizzards attention |
| 07:35.24 | Miravlix | We already got Blizzards attention |
| 07:35.25 | Aalny | the original forum thread that prompted the creation of that mod already got their attention |
| 07:35.31 | Miravlix | 1.11 will have cleaned up zoning |
| 07:36.43 | krka|work | i wonder how much slow bliz event code we could get rid of |
| 07:37.01 | Aalny | probably not as much as you think |
| 07:37.12 | krka|work | perhaps |
| 07:38.04 | krka|work | i feel like killing off events for the blizzard action buttons |
| 07:38.07 | Miravlix | if(event == "PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD" or |
| 07:38.07 | Miravlix | event == "PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED" or |
| 07:38.07 | Miravlix | event == "PLAYER_LOGOUT" or |
| 07:38.07 | Miravlix | string.sub(event,0,4) == "CHAT") then |
| 07:38.07 | Miravlix | this.ntmysFLT_OnEvent(); |
| 07:38.09 | krka|work | i don't use them anyway |
| 07:38.22 | Miravlix | He only allows me to get those 3 events during a zone? |
| 07:38.29 | wereHamster | 4 |
| 07:38.36 | wereHamster | or more |
| 07:38.41 | wereHamster | all chat events, too |
| 07:38.42 | Miravlix | all chat events |
| 07:38.43 | krka|work | not sure you get chat during zoning |
| 07:38.54 | Miravlix | But then only those 3? |
| 07:40.19 | wereHamster | there was a change in the event system, WoW doesn't send that much events when the player enters word so the addons are supposed to do initialization when they receive P_E_W |
| 07:41.27 | Wobin_ | You do get chat events while zoning |
| 07:42.02 | Wobin_ | I'm pretty sure I've had 'chat history' show up after a long load |
| 07:43.15 | Miravlix | I think this breaks all my BG addons |
| 07:44.45 | wereHamster | it shouldn't break addons.. |
| 07:45.15 | Wobin_ | It's sort of ... permahooking the events to do nothing? |
| 07:45.48 | Miravlix | If my addon uses something else than PeW to trigger on zoning |
| 07:45.54 | Miravlix | Then this addon breaks it |
| 07:45.57 | Tem | lol he totaly does it the hard way too |
| 07:46.28 | Aalny | or if an addon actually has a legitimate use for "banned" events during zoning, it'll break |
| 07:47.02 | Miravlix | Do we have a wiki or something with zoning events? |
| 07:47.05 | Tem | instead of using GetNumFrames and EnumerateFrames he tries to traverse as many frames as possible by recursivly looping over the children of UIParent |
| 07:47.24 | krka|work | is that worse? |
| 07:47.30 | Tem | Aalny: it's my understanding that there is NEVER a good reason to process on those events |
| 07:47.42 | krka|work | except that he won't catch all frames |
| 07:47.48 | Tem | krka: it's the hard way and it won't catch everything |
| 07:48.00 | Tem | it will also create lots of tables that he doesn't need to |
| 07:48.08 | Miravlix | There is no good reason to fire on QUEST_LOG_UPDATE, BAG update, etc. |
| 07:48.18 | Miravlix | But he is wiping every single event |
| 07:48.27 | Tem | oh, that's bad news |
| 07:48.53 | Miravlix | He allows us to get all CHAT, and 3 other events |
| 07:49.04 | Tem | I didn't look that hard |
| 07:49.18 | Tem | once I saw the recursive loop through UIParent's children, I stoped looking |
| 07:49.21 | Miravlix | PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED and PLAYER_LOGOUT |
| 07:50.42 | Tem | he also polutes that frame's fields |
| 07:50.56 | Tem | dirty, dirty hacks! |
| 07:51.23 | Miravlix | We have to, every user will download the crap and break our addons |
| 07:51.33 | wereHamster | doesn't he clean up the frames after the zoning is over? |
| 07:51.33 | Aalny | exactly |
| 07:51.35 | krka|work | that's not our problem, that's their problem |
| 07:51.39 | krka|work | reboot, stupid windows |
| 07:51.51 | Aalny | that's the first question when people ask about a problem now....are you running this crappy addon? if so, turn it off and try again |
| 07:52.53 | Miravlix | this:RegisterEvent("ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA"); |
| 07:53.02 | Miravlix | Does this event fire before or after PeW? |
| 07:53.26 | Miravlix | If before, then bye bye Gathere, ZoneLevel, BG addons |
| 07:53.29 | Tem | I would imagine after |
| 07:53.47 | Tem | the player doesn't "exist" until after PEW |
| 07:54.00 | Wobin_ | ObelixdkApril 12 2:45AM |
| 07:54.01 | Wobin_ | this is the single greatest mod i've ever seen... 10/10 :) |
| 07:54.11 | Wobin_ | How can you argue with feedback like that?! =P |
| 07:54.19 | Tem | great |
| 07:54.49 | Tem | I'm glad you wrote this poorly written and designed addons for the masses to consume to improve the performance of their other crappily written addons |
| 07:54.55 | Tem | that's just fucking terrific |
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| 07:57.52 | Miravlix | I wont call it badly programmed that coders wasn't aware of the zoning event crap. |
| 07:58.07 | krka|work | i suggest we make a better zoning-optimizer |
| 07:58.15 | Tem | please |
| 07:58.19 | Miravlix | When the community in general doesn't have a clue about something. |
| 07:58.24 | Tem | the Zoning stuff was common knowledge months ago |
| 07:59.19 | Tem | krka|work: that's not a bad idea |
| 08:00.23 | Miravlix | I didn't know about it months ago |
| 08:00.30 | Tem | Tekkub posted his results about zoning in november |
| 08:00.37 | Tem | I'm surprized you didn't |
| 08:00.41 | Miravlix | None of the Cosmos devs knew about it months ago and no dev I know, knew about it |
| 08:01.33 | Miravlix | Wasn't until that post with detailed information on it that I saw most develope a clue that the problem even existed |
| 08:01.34 | Tem | I guess my assumptions about how wide-spread the knowledge was are a little over-enthusiastic |
| 08:02.45 | Miravlix | We do have some addons in Cosmos that use zone throttling, but it was never a EVERYONE DO THIS OR YOUR ADDON IS CRAP understanding until a few days ago. |
| 08:03.53 | Tem | I guess all I know is I was 'late' on picking up on it and I see my commit message now from my ItemCompare repository on Dec 3, 2005 changing it to ignore UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED events during zoning |
| 08:04.15 | krka|work | i am against doing expensive computations on non-user events |
| 08:04.22 | wereHamster | do you know a nice event watching addon? |
| 08:04.41 | Tem | I use FireShow personally, but you might not consider it 'nice' |
| 08:04.56 | Tem | WarmUp is perfect for showing you which events are batshit during zoning |
| 08:05.31 | wereHamster | where can I get warmup? |
| 08:05.41 | Tem | (shortly after warmup was released is when the "oh hell, events go nuts during zoning" knowledge was out there |
| 08:05.50 | Tem | wowi |
| 08:06.50 | krka|work | i listen to UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED at all times |
| 08:07.02 | wereHamster | search didn't yield any results and I can't find it undr " Developer Utilities" |
| 08:07.05 | krka|work | but i only set a value to nil when i get it, so i haven't noticed any problems |
| 08:07.16 | Tem | krka: that's fine |
| 08:07.47 | Tem | krka: ItemCompare has issues with UIC because it has to potentially do a tooltip scan |
| 08:07.55 | Miravlix | We are talking 160+ events on zoning |
| 08:08.16 | krka|work | itemcompare scans it on event? |
| 08:08.19 | Tem | 1 for each item you have |
| 08:08.20 | krka|work | instead of on demand? |
| 08:08.32 | Tem | well, it scans your gear as soon as you change |
| 08:08.36 | krka|work | O_o |
| 08:08.49 | Tem | but I cache everything |
| 08:09.01 | Tem | so I never scan an item twice |
| 08:09.52 | Tem | wereHamster: found it. Guess he never go around to putting it up on wowi http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1644 |
| 08:09.55 | krka|work | but you scan items that potentially are never looked at |
| 08:10.15 | Tem | you must not understand what I'm doing |
| 08:10.19 | krka|work | nope :) |
| 08:10.34 | Tem | I compare the stats on items you look at with the stats on the items you are wearing |
| 08:11.04 | krka|work | so why not do the tooltip scanning when you actually look on an item? |
| 08:11.18 | Tem | that's not a bad idea |
| 08:11.21 | krka|work | s/look on/look at/ |
| 08:11.39 | Tem | I really haven't worked on it in a pretty long time |
| 08:11.59 | Tem | so I don't remember my motivation for doing it in response to the gear change event |
| 08:12.18 | Tem | I might have just not thought it through |
| 08:12.53 | krka|work | well, my suggestion is more work |
| 08:12.59 | Tem | not really |
| 08:13.11 | krka|work | not a lot more work, but still |
| 08:13.39 | Tem | because of how I have it set up, it would actually be /crazy easy/ to switch it |
| 08:13.41 | Miravlix | It is more CPU expensive doing the lookup at mouseover time |
| 08:13.55 | Tem | yeah, but that will only happen once |
| 08:13.55 | Miravlix | Because you have to do several things twice |
| 08:14.02 | krka|work | what things twice? |
| 08:14.16 | Tem | I never scan the same item twice |
| 08:14.24 | krka|work | will be more expensive at that particular time yes, |
| 08:14.32 | Miravlix | Tooltip scan, but you still need to check the itemid |
| 08:14.33 | krka|work | but less expensive amortized |
| 08:14.39 | Miravlix | to see it hasn't been enhanted |
| 08:14.51 | Tem | I go off the ids anyway |
| 08:15.55 | Tem | my current scheme prevents 2 scans on mouseover. that's it |
| 08:15.57 | krka|work | lazy evaluation FTW |
| 08:16.18 | Tem | indeed :) |
| 08:16.45 | Tem | one of these days I'm going to not have like 15 projects open and I'll be able to get back to IC... |
| 08:16.50 | Tem | for now, I must sleep |
| 08:17.11 | wereHamster | how can I prevent joining the general/trace/defense channels? |
| 08:17.20 | Miravlix | EU is up |
| 08:17.21 | wereHamster | trade.. |
| 08:17.45 | Miravlix | Do /leave and it wont join them |
| 08:17.56 | wereHamster | yep.. but not Arthas@DE |
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| 08:18.31 | Miravlix | Hmm, I'm starting to hate rares |
| 08:18.39 | zenzelezz | is 1.10.1 server-side only patch? |
| 08:18.44 | wereHamster | But I don't want to type /leave 1 everytime I login |
| 08:18.51 | Miravlix | There is 33 people loged in, I loged in 2-3 minutes at the most after loging |
| 08:18.55 | Miravlix | and the rare isn't here |
| 08:19.10 | Elviso | rares dont pop right after restarts |
| 08:21.10 | Miravlix | How many minutes does it take? |
| 08:21.29 | Miravlix | What was the new getbuild api? |
| 08:21.42 | Elviso | the rares are on a random timer |
| 08:22.05 | Elviso | they didn't want ppl running out and killing all the rares right after maintenance/restarts |
| 08:22.31 | Elviso | I think they said they have a chance to spawn anywhere from 4-6 hrs after a restart, but that could be off |
| 08:22.34 | Miravlix | It's not a random timer at other times |
| 08:22.51 | Miravlix | It's always a precise XX hours after restart |
| 08:22.53 | Elviso | yes once they die the 1st time, it's pretty predictable |
| 08:23.23 | Elviso | not according to the info I got last |
| 08:24.15 | Elviso | just like the world raid bosses....they will NOT be up after a restart, nor 4 hrs afterwards....but there's a timeframe after the restart where the will pop, but it's still not certain |
| 08:24.30 | Miravlix | The times I've camped 12 hour spawns, I've always been able to find it at predictable times |
| 08:24.49 | Elviso | even after restarts? |
| 08:28.13 | wereHamster | Why doe WoW load 'spellBook' before '!!AAA_Warmup' ? |
| 08:28.41 | Corrodias | because it's gay |
| 08:28.45 | Corrodias | gay for spellBook |
| 08:28.45 | Miravlix | Because it loads files in directory save order |
| 08:29.12 | Corrodias | the "time modified" order? |
| 08:29.39 | Miravlix | If you want to make Warmup work first change the toc of all other addons to depend on it |
| 08:30.01 | wereHamster | nothing depends on warmup |
| 08:30.04 | Corrodias | ooh, that would be nifty, to add optional dependencies |
| 08:31.28 | Miravlix | Wow doesn't sort a directory |
| 08:31.33 | Miravlix | it just reads it in |
| 08:32.39 | wereHamster | so How do I make warmup appear ion top of the list? |
| 08:32.49 | Miravlix | So whatever order the directory is stored by your OS, is the order Wow loads addons |
| 08:33.01 | Miravlix | You edit all other addons to depend on it |
| 08:33.08 | Miravlix | Hmm, I thought I said that already |
| 08:33.41 | wereHamster | isn't there any other way? |
| 08:33.57 | Miravlix | Sort the directory at file system level |
| 08:34.13 | Miravlix | Perhaps moving all addons out of the directory |
| 08:34.14 | wereHamster | like making sure that the directory (as reported by the OS) shows up on top? |
| 08:34.15 | Miravlix | erase it |
| 08:34.18 | Miravlix | make it again |
| 08:34.22 | Miravlix | move warmup in first |
| 08:34.25 | Miravlix | then all the others |
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| 08:34.59 | Miravlix | But many OS'es sort things as they feel |
| 08:35.06 | Miravlix | So no guarentee it will work |
| 08:35.20 | wereHamster | Or I could hack wine to sort the directory.. ;) |
| 08:35.22 | Miravlix | I think it might work with DOS Fat |
| 08:35.44 | Miravlix | Oh, Linux sort directories |
| 08:36.05 | Miravlix | What file system? |
| 08:36.09 | AnduinLothar | wow... purple skullflame shield dropped and TWO blues de'd into nexus crystals in one scholo run |
| 08:36.33 | AnduinLothar | 4 pallies and a war |
| 08:36.39 | Miravlix | Now thats a nice run if you got all the phats yourself |
| 08:36.59 | AnduinLothar | did the epic mount quest and finnished the run |
| 08:37.06 | Miravlix | BTW: Andu I loged in fine |
| 08:37.16 | AnduinLothar | and 3 nice blue boe's for the ah |
| 08:37.17 | Miravlix | No Libram or any other addon hang. :p |
| 08:38.02 | wereHamster | Miravlix, xfs |
| 08:38.12 | AnduinLothar | of course it doesn't. Why would it hang for you, that would be convienient... |
| 08:38.31 | Miravlix | Your all making it up! |
| 08:39.56 | Miravlix | Don't remember how xfs sorts, you will have to go check and then do whatever 'magic' is required to make warmup go on top |
| 08:42.27 | wereHamster | ls | tr '\n ' ',' >> ./\!\!Warmup/\!\!Warmup.toc :) |
| 08:42.51 | wereHamster | I hope now Warmup loads first |
| 08:43.13 | Miravlix | Hmm? |
| 08:43.26 | krka|work | you could add optionaldeps for all other addons |
| 08:43.47 | krka|work | oooh.... make an app for sorting addon loading : |
| 08:43.55 | krka|work | (inserting opt-deps :P) |
| 08:44.22 | Miravlix | he could make a commandline that update all .tocs |
| 08:44.56 | Miravlix | to add ## Dependency: xxWarmUpxx |
| 08:45.52 | zespri | Has anyone find out what causes a tooltip lose it's owner so you can't scan tooltip and have to re-set the owner again? Tooltip is not parented, and it's set to own itself so its owner never touched. Gives me trmrndous amount of grief because setting owner every time I scan is very slow. |
| 08:45.54 | Miravlix | too bad linux is case sensitive and WoW isn't |
| 08:46.46 | zespri | I think I need to put this message on macro and spam it from time to time in this channel |
| 08:47.31 | Miravlix | zespri, http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=UIOBJECT_GameTooltip&redirect=no |
| 08:47.41 | Miravlix | Why? |
| 08:47.49 | Miravlix | We figured this out weeks ago. :p |
| 08:47.50 | zespri | I read it several time from top to bottom and backwards |
| 08:47.55 | Miravlix | You just need to read up |
| 08:48.58 | zespri | I do everything as stated in the article and still the tooltip gets hidden from time to time |
| 08:49.11 | zespri | I mean loses owner |
| 08:49.17 | zespri | not gets hiden |
| 08:49.42 | Miravlix | What your XML tooltip entry? |
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| 08:51.34 | zespri | http://wow.pastebin.com/655223 |
| 08:52.27 | zespri | wha? |
| 08:52.40 | Miravlix | You do know the script is never run |
| 08:52.42 | zespri | what stupidnes did I do? |
| 08:52.48 | Miravlix | # |
| 08:52.48 | Miravlix | <GameTooltip name="SpellMatsTooltip" inherits="GameTooltipTemplate" /> |
| 08:53.10 | zespri | oh my, why it never runs? |
| 08:53.12 | Miravlix | You terminate it |
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| 08:53.34 | zespri | oh I see |
| 08:53.35 | Miravlix | The <script> is hanging of UI |
| 08:53.41 | zespri | ok scrap the / |
| 08:53.53 | zespri | it's not actually there |
| 08:54.45 | zespri | I was just trying another approach and forgot to delete it again when I pasted back the script block |
| 08:55.00 | zespri | So the case still holds |
| 08:55.24 | Miravlix | That SetOwner line is wrong I think |
| 08:55.35 | zespri | and there is </GameToolTip> at the end of course |
| 08:56.22 | Miravlix | Your setting GameToolTip:SetOwner(GameToolTip, "ANCHOR_NONE") |
| 08:56.29 | Miravlix | Your are making it the owner of itself? |
| 08:56.33 | zespri | yes |
| 08:56.40 | zespri | as per the article you linked |
| 08:57.57 | zespri | and beleive me I tried a couple dozen of other owners =( |
| 09:00.38 | Miravlix | Try UIParent |
| 09:01.02 | Miravlix | Now what GameTooltip:<this> do you call on it? |
| 09:01.16 | wereHamster | this did the trick: for dir in `ll | grep ^d | awk '{ print $9 }'`; do echo '\n\n## Dependency: !!Warmup' >> $dir/$dir.toc; done :) |
| 09:01.41 | zespri | excuse me, Miravlix, what do you mean? |
| 09:02.07 | Miravlix | Never mind |
| 09:02.59 | Miravlix | Or maybe mind, give me a few to finish checking |
| 09:03.13 | Miravlix | I need to know what methods you call on the tooltip |
| 09:03.47 | zespri | SpellMatsTooltip:SetAction(pagedid); |
| 09:05.01 | Miravlix | Thats all? |
| 09:05.18 | krka|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.36 | Miravlix | You do check SetAction doesn't return nothing? |
| 09:06.00 | Miravlix | <GameTooltip name="AutoBuffTooltip" frameStrata="TOOLTIP" hidden="true" inherits="GameTooltipTemplate"> |
| 09:06.00 | Miravlix | <Scripts> |
| 09:06.00 | Miravlix | <OnLoad>this:SetOwner(this, "ANCHOR_NONE");</OnLoad> |
| 09:06.00 | Miravlix | </Scripts> |
| 09:06.00 | Miravlix | </GameTooltip> |
| 09:06.15 | krka|work | you're also making it the owner of itself there |
| 09:06.21 | Miravlix | Others is doing it your way with no problems. |
| 09:06.31 | Kalroth | krka|work: Blizzard needs to make that ingame! /1 = Orgrimmar General, /2 = Orgrimmar Trade, /3 = Orgrimmar LFG, /4 = Orgrimmar Addon Developers |
| 09:06.43 | krka|work | yeah |
| 09:06.56 | Miravlix | No |
| 09:07.02 | Miravlix | I'm alreadya t 10 channels |
| 09:07.02 | krka|work | i want /4-maraudon LFG too |
| 09:07.24 | Kalroth | Are you still farming NR in Maraudon?! |
| 09:07.30 | zespri | Mira, do you have a rogue? |
| 09:07.49 | krka|work | NR? |
| 09:08.04 | Kalroth | nature resist, nm :) |
| 09:08.31 | Miravlix | I have a 30, 33, 24 rogues |
| 09:08.40 | Miravlix | s/a // |
| 09:09.16 | Miravlix | I'm not going to win this years grammar contest |
| 09:09.26 | Kalroth | I got a level 60 rogue, I win! |
| 09:10.34 | Miravlix | Winning at the Internet, only beaten by peeing in your pants. |
| 09:11.18 | zespri | this is actually bizzare. this code kind of works for shaman or druid but it doesn't for rogue. there is no explanation for this |
| 09:12.03 | krka|work | kind of works? |
| 09:12.36 | Miravlix | Haha |
| 09:12.38 | Miravlix | I take that back |
| 09:12.45 | Miravlix | Autobuff that use this is broken too |
| 09:12.58 | Miravlix | I think your SetOwner is broken |
| 09:13.11 | zespri | I mean that while I playtested it for several hours long with shaman the tooltip owner didn't get recet a singe time, on the other hand when I log in with a rogue the tooltip owner is not set right from the start |
| 09:14.39 | Miravlix | I'm on my rogue and Autobuff can't read the tooltip |
| 09:14.50 | Miravlix | It doesn't get the time left information |
| 09:15.16 | zespri | you see |
| 09:15.25 | zespri | i told you =) |
| 09:15.44 | Miravlix | Hmm, and I can't fix it |
| 09:15.52 | zespri | so it's not as 'we figured it all out' as it may seem |
| 09:17.31 | zespri | bummer! |
| 09:19.32 | Miravlix | Hey, give me a second to analyze the code |
| 09:20.11 | zespri | sure |
| 09:21.51 | wereHamster | does anyone know this guy: http://www.pooh.cz/aod/ ? |
| 09:23.09 | Miravlix | AutoBuff by Dsun is messed up with it's tooltip crap |
| 09:26.57 | Miravlix | He had some issues trying to get it up and running it seems and messed it up |
| 09:28.38 | Miravlix | if string.find(AutoBuffTooltipTextLeft1:GetText() or "", buffname) then |
| 09:28.45 | Miravlix | Nice codeing. o.O |
| 09:35.30 | Miravlix | Unreleated bug |
| 09:35.38 | Miravlix | he use GameToolTip without setting owner |
| 09:39.43 | Miravlix | I need tos ee some code, to find out anything about your case. |
| 09:50.53 | zespri | I urge you to see it! svn://svn.cosmosui.org/tests/zespri/SpellMats |
| 09:58.25 | Miravlix | Well I can prodly say the damn event hack doesn't make Cosmos faster |
| 09:58.56 | zespri | event hack? |
| 09:58.57 | Kalroth | it doesn't make Cosmos faster? any particular part of Cosmos? :) |
| 09:59.07 | krka|work | i think you may need more data to verify that |
| 09:59.45 | Miravlix | No |
| 10:00.11 | Miravlix | There is no addons that does things due to zoning events in a way that it effects zoning speed |
| 10:02.03 | krka|work | no addon performs stuff on events that may be triggered under zoning? |
| 10:02.21 | zespri | what even hack? the one that skeeve posted link to in the cosmos forums? |
| 10:03.42 | Miravlix | Hmm, it does register 23K event calls on zoning |
| 10:03.51 | Miravlix | and it only lets 125 through |
| 10:03.53 | wereHamster | does Klngarthur ever visit this channel? |
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| 10:12.31 | Syrsa | Forgive me for asking simple questions, but I'd like to create a button with a texture and text that I can see using LUA instead of XML and I can't seem to figure out how. Can anybody guide me through the process? |
| 10:13.22 | Miravlix | Aww, the question was so ad it made the server puke. :> |
| 10:13.22 | Miravlix | s/ad/bad/ |
| 10:13.22 | Syrsa | (O.O;) |
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| 10:14.04 | Syrsa | (T_T) |
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| 10:14.49 | Miravlix | I'm not much of an XML freak |
| 10:14.49 | Miravlix | Can't help with it. |
| 10:16.37 | Wobin_ | I'd like to know myself =P |
| 10:16.56 | Wobin_ | I so want a library that does all the stuff for me =P |
| 10:19.55 | wereHamster | Syrsa, 'see using lua' ? what exactly do you mean? |
| 10:20.31 | Syrsa | Basically, I have a menu with a list that keeps changing. The list has Name, Optionbutton, Optionbutton. I can create the names no problem using Frame:CreateFontString("FontStringName", "OVERLAY") then Frame:SetFontObject( GameFontNormal ) and it's usable. But I don't know how to create the buttons. |
| 10:20.38 | Wobin_ | dynamic frame creation |
| 10:21.46 | wereHamster | CreateFrame("Button", "myAddOn_Button") |
| 10:22.01 | wereHamster | button = ... |
| 10:22.07 | Syrsa | Done, but I can't see it f(-_-;) |
| 10:22.28 | wereHamster | button:Show() |
| 10:22.41 | wereHamster | button:SetWidth(), button:SetHeight() |
| 10:23.03 | wereHamster | and reparent it and ahcnor it |
| 10:24.18 | Syrsa | hmmm... the parent part might be the issue... I'll be right back. Thanks (^_^) |
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| 10:31.14 | Syrsa | Still not working... May I paste my code? |
| 10:31.49 | Syrsa | CreateFrame("Button","RPScrollChildFrameButton1", RPScrollChildFrame ) |
| 10:31.49 | Syrsa | RPScrollChildFrameButton1:SetWidth( 100 ) |
| 10:31.49 | Syrsa | RPScrollChildFrameButton1:SetHeight( 100 ) |
| 10:31.49 | Syrsa | RPScrollChildFrameButton1:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", RPScrollChildFrame, "TOPLEFT") |
| 10:31.49 | Syrsa | RPScrollChildFrameButton1:SetParent( RPScrollChildFrame ) |
| 10:31.50 | Syrsa | RPScrollChildFrameButton1:SetTextFontObject( GameFontNormal ) |
| 10:31.52 | Syrsa | RPScrollChildFrameButton1:SetText( "HELLO" ) |
| 10:31.54 | Syrsa | RPScrollChildFrameButton1:Show() |
| 10:32.45 | Syrsa | If I use message( "Button text: " .. RPScrollChildFrameButton1:GetText() ) it gives the error that I'm concating a nil |
| 10:34.46 | wereHamster | next time use http://wow.pastebin.com |
| 10:35.15 | wereHamster | RPScrollChildFrameButton1:ClearAllPoints() before you set the point |
| 10:35.26 | wereHamster | just to make sure |
| 10:35.51 | wereHamster | do you have Iriel's DevTools installed? |
| 10:36.48 | Syrsa | No... didn't know about it. I'll look it up. Sorry about the paste. I didn't know about that either. I'll use it from now on. |
| 10:37.04 | wereHamster | is RPScrollChildFrame visiable? |
| 10:37.18 | Syrsa | Yeah, I have other things on it. |
| 10:37.43 | Syrsa | Same effect with ClearAllPoints() |
| 10:38.32 | wereHamster | .. set textures: Button:SetHighlightTexture(texture or "texturePath") Button:SetNormalTexture(texture or "texturePath") Button:SetPushedTexture(texture or "texturePath") |
| 10:39.15 | wereHamster | when making frames from lua, make sure to set all properties you'd set in XML.. |
| 10:40.14 | Syrsa | Yeah, I was looking at that. And I have the Blizz Interface Addon kit, but I'm not sure what the correct path is. |
| 10:40.48 | wereHamster | path for what? |
| 10:40.48 | Syrsa | The one thing I can't seem to do that I do in the XML is: inherits="OptionsButtonTemplate" |
| 10:40.55 | Cide | try setting a framestrata |
| 10:41.13 | Cide | not sure if that's inherited from your parent or not |
| 10:41.28 | Syrsa | The FontString had SetFontObject( GameFontNormal ) which made it work. |
| 10:41.31 | wereHamster | there are no templates if you create your frames in LUA |
| 10:42.11 | wereHamster | if you have `inherits="OptionsButtonTemplate"` in XML, you have to do everything that is set in OptionsButtonTemplate manually |
| 10:42.38 | Syrsa | Yeah... I'd like to know how to do it all manually. |
| 10:42.50 | Syrsa | Cide: what exactly is meant by strata? Frame:SetFrameStrata("strata") |
| 10:42.53 | wereHamster | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#Button |
| 10:42.59 | Cide | yep |
| 10:43.19 | Cide | try "MEDIUM" or "HIGH" |
| 10:43.26 | Syrsa | 'kay |
| 10:43.46 | Cide | again, no clue if it will help or not |
| 10:44.45 | wereHamster | I'm using this button definition in XML.. but I'm not sure what is set in UIPanelButtonTemplate.. |
| 10:46.21 | Syrsa | No luck with the strata. I wonder if it's a texture thing. I have to figure out where the button texture paths are... |
| 10:46.56 | Cide | exactly what problem are you having? |
| 10:47.02 | wereHamster | http://wow.pastebin.com/655360 .. try to set everything that is set in the XML files |
| 10:48.36 | wereHamster | RPScrollChildFrameButton1:SetNormalTexture(UIPanelButtonUpTexture) |
| 10:50.30 | Syrsa | Working on it... brb. |
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| 11:16.28 | Miravlix | oh man |
| 11:16.38 | Miravlix | I just realiced that freaking stupid ntfl... |
| 11:16.53 | Miravlix | It prevents all addons that turn the event off from turning it off |
| 11:19.23 | krka|work | so don't use it |
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| 11:21.44 | wereHamster | ntfl ? |
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| 11:33.23 | krka|work | i just had an idea... why not make a program that converts existing xml templates to lua code |
| 11:34.01 | Kalroth | Noted! |
| 11:35.46 | Kalroth | krka|work: what for? what purpose, I mean |
| 11:36.11 | krka|work | to be able to have inherit in dynamic frame creation |
| 11:45.12 | Miravlix | Ugh, out of 170 addons, only Cosmos seem to handle Zoning |
| 11:46.52 | zenzelezz | 170? |
| 12:07.51 | Miravlix | Anyone else noticed how WORLDMAP_UPDATE spams in instances? |
| 12:11.50 | krka|work | nope |
| 12:11.58 | krka|work | even without any addons? |
| 12:13.33 | krka|work | i know each setmap causes a WORLDMAP_UPDATE |
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| 12:32.36 | wereHamster | hi josh |
| 12:37.32 | JoshBorke | morning wereHamster :-) |
| 12:37.48 | JoshBorke | i'm going to test out cooldownCount tonight (if i remember |
| 12:37.51 | JoshBorke | :-) |
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| 12:39.04 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 12:39.32 | JoshBorke | greetings! |
| 12:41.50 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, cooldownCount ? |
| 12:48.48 | JoshBorke | hm, how about just coolDown? ^_^ |
| 12:50.01 | krka|work | cooldowncount? isn't that ancient? |
| 12:50.34 | wereHamster | but be sure to try the CG version.. I haven't updated WoWI yet.. http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1576 |
| 12:59.44 | JoshBorke | krka|work: yes, i'm just not the brightest/fastest in the bunch :-) |
| 13:00.10 | krka|work | i just meant that sarf made a cooldowncount ages ago, not the same addon as this :) |
| 13:01.20 | Miravlix | Cooldowncount is part of Cosmos these days. |
| 13:06.10 | krka|work | been thinking about making a cpu usage performance monitor for addons, anyone know if such a thing already exists? |
| 13:08.55 | wereHamster | I don't think you can get CPU informations from lua |
| 13:09.37 | krka|work | i was just thinking time spent in addon methods / total time |
| 13:09.43 | krka|work | i can get both those |
| 13:09.50 | krka|work | then i can show usage over time |
| 13:09.51 | wereHamster | .. and games use 100% CPU by design, unless they have a framerate cap |
| 13:09.59 | krka|work | yes, but the addon methods don't use 100% |
| 13:11.19 | krka|work | i can clock when i enter and leave OnUpdate for instance |
| 13:11.53 | wereHamster | try TraceEvent |
| 13:11.59 | krka|work | hm |
| 13:12.50 | krka|work | interesting |
| 13:13.14 | krka|work | CPS? PCPS? |
| 13:13.45 | wereHamster | yep |
| 13:14.58 | Miravlix | krka: Would be easy with addons that use a central table |
| 13:15.09 | krka|work | what is CPS and PCPS? |
| 13:15.16 | krka|work | calls per second? |
| 13:15.19 | krka|work | protected calls per second? |
| 13:15.22 | krka|work | just guessing now |
| 13:15.58 | wereHamster | http://www.vulpes.com/TraceEvent/ at the bottom is a description |
| 13:16.17 | Cide | pcps = peak calls/second |
| 13:17.06 | krka|work | doesn't really show what i want :/( |
| 13:18.50 | wereHamster | to get the total time spent in lua, you'd need to hook all functions that can be called by WoW.exe.. |
| 13:21.44 | krka|work | i dont want to know total time spent in lua |
| 13:21.54 | wereHamster | all the script handlers plus all hooked functions.. that addon would be very invasive and would decrese the framerate quite a bit |
| 13:21.57 | krka|work | i want to know total time spent in a fixed addon code |
| 13:24.06 | krka|work | i want each addon to do this manually, so no hooking needed |
| 13:24.25 | krka|work | my addon will just provide enter(addonName) and leave(addonName) |
| 13:25.55 | wereHamster | then it's an easy task :) |
| 13:26.58 | krka|work | yeah |
| 13:27.12 | krka|work | won't be many lines needed to do this |
| 13:27.44 | krka|work | could be very useful for developers i think |
| 13:28.15 | wereHamster | there already is debugprofilestart() and debugprofilestop() |
| 13:30.38 | krka|work | which addon is that? |
| 13:32.15 | groll | hmm anyone got a good suggestion for a shammy forum post regarding my view/rethinking of the shaman concept :P |
| 13:32.19 | groll | i cant come up with a good one :P |
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| 13:36.27 | JoshBorke | krka|work: does this have anything to do with http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=358717&p=1&tmp=1#post358717? |
| 13:37.46 | wereHamster | that's an official function |
| 13:38.06 | wereHamster | was addedn in 1.9 or 1.10 |
| 13:41.40 | krka|work | ah |
| 13:43.51 | krka|work | but debugprofile doesn't stack :/ |
| 13:43.54 | krka|work | afaik |
| 13:44.23 | wereHamster | stack? |
| 13:44.41 | krka|work | debugprofilestart() debugprofilestart() debugprofilestop() debugprofilestop() doesn't work |
| 13:44.56 | krka|work | i.e. if the addon i am monitoring also uses debugprofilestart it will fail |
| 13:45.10 | wereHamster | no.. start() is more a reset() ans top() returns time since last start() |
| 13:46.36 | wereHamster | .. addons shouldn't use those functions for other purposes than debugging |
| 13:47.00 | wereHamster | and any 'stable' addon release should have those commented out or removed |
| 13:49.36 | krka|work | well, my usage wouldn't strictly be debugging |
| 13:51.49 | wereHamster | what else? |
| 13:53.04 | krka|work | just to generally know how addons are performing |
| 13:53.50 | wereHamster | for me that goes under debugging, as opposed to UI enhancement |
| 14:00.38 | krka|work | i am not sure i agree |
| 14:00.53 | krka|work | i think users might be interested to know how much resources addons are using |
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| 14:03.10 | krka|work | hey lego |
| 14:04.42 | wereHamster | then tell the people not to use any other addons that use debugprofile*() |
| 14:04.42 | groll | anyone got access to the us forums? |
| 14:05.03 | krka|work | works for me |
| 14:05.12 | groll | well i mean posting access :P |
| 14:21.08 | krka|work | does anyone know how to make html links in explorer inherit color? |
| 14:21.14 | krka|work | it works fine in firefox |
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| 14:25.45 | Cairenn | morning all |
| 14:26.33 | Cide | hi cair |
| 14:26.37 | wereHamster | morning |
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| 14:26.55 | Cairenn | how is everyone this morning ;) |
| 14:27.00 | Cairenn | hey s|loup |
| 14:27.08 | s|loup | hi |
| 14:27.15 | krka|work | evening |
| 14:27.41 | Cairenn | how is everyone today*? |
| 14:28.09 | Cide | not bad! but no wow makes me cry |
| 14:28.19 | s|loup | hm tired ;) |
| 14:28.52 | wereHamster | my server is down and I can't text my addons :-( |
| 14:31.35 | krka|work | didn't know you had that kind of relationship with your addons |
| 14:39.10 | JoshBorke | morning Cairenn |
| 14:39.17 | Cairenn | hey :) |
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| 14:46.50 | Cairenn | hi Devla |
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| 15:10.11 | Wobin_ | Is curse up for anyone else? |
| 15:11.03 | _B | Does anyone know why a lot of the servers are down for the EU? |
| 15:11.13 | Cairenn | _B: maintenance? |
| 15:11.20 | Cairenn | Wobin_: yes |
| 15:11.32 | Miravlix | HOLD THE PRESS! Marsians Invented the SMILEY! |
| 15:11.51 | Wobin_ | =( |
| 15:11.55 | _B | No they already recovered from the maintenance |
| 15:12.03 | _B | Then a bunch of them suddenly cut out |
| 15:12.11 | _B | Without warning or reason |
| 15:12.53 | Miravlix | http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMMTFNFGLE_0.html |
| 15:13.37 | Cairenn | _B: if the EU is going through the fun and games that the US went through with this patch, expect problems for a while yet |
| 15:13.55 | _B | What patch anyway |
| 15:14.08 | Cairenn | 1.10.1 |
| 15:14.11 | _B | It said there was going to be one, but I've not downloaded anything |
| 15:14.15 | _B | Is it a server-side patch? |
| 15:14.18 | Cairenn | nope |
| 15:14.23 | Cairenn | or, not exclusively |
| 15:14.32 | Cairenn | US downloaded |
| 15:14.34 | _B | So you are supposed to need updated client files? |
| 15:14.34 | Miravlix | EU seems fine |
| 15:14.54 | Cairenn | Miravlix: not according to _B |
| 15:15.14 | Miravlix | All that matters is my servers. |
| 15:15.15 | _B | Even the realm status page shows it now, so it doesn't have to be just from me, even though I am right |
| 15:15.47 | _B | So can you tell me whether or not there are updated client files for this "patch" which I am yet to see? |
| 15:16.46 | _B | Also they have acknowledged it here: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-server-status-en&t=694&p=1&tmp=1#post694 |
| 15:16.57 | _B | But fantastically they do not bother to give any kind of explanation |
| 15:17.01 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, I installes your HealWatch and testd it with my lvl4 shaman and it didn't work |
| 15:17.17 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: lol. it only works in raids |
| 15:17.52 | JoshBorke | and it's beta for a reason :D |
| 15:19.52 | wereHamster | I find raid-only addons terrible for debugging.. you always need a raid to test it :) |
| 15:20.12 | _B | Must suck to have no friends |
| 15:20.21 | JoshBorke | lol. I agree wereHamster |
| 15:20.32 | JoshBorke | luckily, i just made it so I could fake being in a raid to test :D |
| 15:21.30 | wereHamster | I just see that in your ragnaros video you use the old version of coolDown |
| 15:21.46 | JoshBorke | who's rag video? |
| 15:22.29 | wereHamster | the link on teh HealWatch description page |
| 15:22.45 | JoshBorke | oh |
| 15:22.52 | JoshBorke | i wasn't using coolDown then :D |
| 15:23.11 | wereHamster | and what is the addon on the left side? |
| 15:23.42 | wereHamster | black buttons, shows icon, spell name and cooldown of spells |
| 15:24.15 | JoshBorke | give me a link to the movie? |
| 15:24.53 | wereHamster | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4732 |
| 15:25.09 | wereHamster | -.- .. ignore it |
| 15:25.23 | JoshBorke | ... :-) |
| 15:25.25 | wereHamster | I'm watching another video |
| 15:25.46 | JoshBorke | the video i supplied is one where i'm debugging/testing |
| 15:25.59 | wereHamster | and I was wandering where the HealWatch is :-P |
| 15:26.09 | wereHamster | wondering.. |
| 15:26.09 | JoshBorke | i need to update it and update the picture |
| 15:27.21 | wereHamster | can't watch it :( |
| 15:27.30 | JoshBorke | i'm lazy and just use microsoft's movie maker :-( |
| 15:28.57 | wereHamster | I really need to install a 32bit chroot environment.. there are far too many things that aren't possible on amd64 |
| 15:29.33 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: fraps encoded video of healwatch: http://files.filefront.com/WoW_2006_03_20_18_36_10_12avi/;4898915;;/fileinfo.html |
| 15:31.32 | wereHamster | when you capture the video using fraps, do you capture at full resolution or scaled down to 50%? |
| 15:31.56 | subsonic | Anybody here NOT have 60's |
| 15:32.21 | subsonic | I gotta get fraps on my machine. |
| 15:32.24 | JoshBorke | i'm pretty sure i capture at full resolution |
| 15:32.29 | subsonic | but what I do is boring |
| 15:32.35 | Miravlix | Life was finally perfect... but then I found UnitFactionGroup |
| 15:33.05 | Miravlix | Why the hell do we have a function that returns nil at variables loaded. :( |
| 15:34.09 | wereHamster | because 1280x1024@12bbp takes ~2MB/frame, at 20fps that's 40MB/s and I can't possibly thing of an codec that could reasonably compress that |
| 15:34.46 | krka|work | maybe it hasn't received the data from server yet |
| 15:35.44 | wereHamster | and fraps codec v1 is upside-down RGB and v2 reordered YUV, no compression at all.. don't know about newer versions though |
| 15:45.38 | subsonic | yeah, I run WoW at 1600x1200, I dunno how fraps would do |
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| 15:57.33 | JoshBorke | anyone have a link to the secret of mana ui mod? the one with the circle buttons? |
| 15:57.34 | JoshBorke | haha! found it |
| 15:57.34 | Adrine | Screenshot? |
| 15:57.34 | JoshBorke | of which? |
| 15:57.34 | Adrine | The SoM mod |
| 15:57.42 | JoshBorke | SelectionRing: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=358026&p=1&tmp=1#post358026 |
| 15:58.11 | JoshBorke | he just has a movie of it |
| 15:58.11 | Adrine | Oooooh that's hot. |
| 15:58.11 | Adrine | That would be so awesome for tradeskills and stuff |
| 15:58.12 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 15:58.32 | JoshBorke | that's what i was thinking also |
| 15:58.46 | JoshBorke | tradeskills, micro menu, buffs |
| 15:58.52 | Adrine | Basically anything non-combat |
| 15:58.52 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 15:59.09 | Miravlix | Anything involving QuestLog, TradeSkill, Craft, Trainer, is something you don't want to mess with |
| 15:59.15 | JoshBorke | Miravlix: having fun? |
| 15:59.15 | Miravlix | The API is horrible broken |
| 15:59.15 | wereHamster | yeah.. flash and java.. can't watch it.. |
| 15:59.15 | Adrine | I meant the tradeskill actions, Miravlix |
| 15:59.15 | Miravlix | If you touch those you have to redo EVERYTHING that blizzard frame does or it will mess it up |
| 15:59.15 | Adrine | Like the "first aid" button |
| 15:59.15 | Adrine | Not the frame itself. |
| 15:59.16 | Miravlix | Aah, then your safe |
| 15:59.16 | krka|work | how is it broken? |
| 15:59.16 | krka|work | lots of quest addons seem to work fine |
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| 16:12.21 | Miravlix | There is only one quest addon and thats PartyQuests |
| 16:12.21 | Miravlix | The rest is Quest Options that slightly modify the original |
| 16:12.23 | Elkano | ckknight, whatever you changed in DurabilityFu, it worked: the lag is gone :) |
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| 16:42.18 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, what do you think of this frame: http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/7469/healsync0ia.png ? |
| 16:42.25 | wereHamster | don't laugh about the spell name :) |
| 16:42.26 | JoshBorke | oooo, that's purty |
| 16:42.29 | JoshBorke | i like it! |
| 16:42.33 | Adrine | Nice! |
| 16:42.35 | wereHamster | I kinda rock at frame design :) |
| 16:42.36 | JoshBorke | awesome, because i really suck at it |
| 16:42.46 | wereHamster | Josh, you asked about a inter-client communication addon.. I have one and it's totally easy to use |
| 16:42.51 | JoshBorke | is it a library? |
| 16:42.59 | wereHamster | ..an addon, that kinda can't be done in a embedded library |
| 16:43.03 | Elkano | wrt inter-client comm, we need a embedded lib... ;) |
| 16:43.08 | wereHamster | if each ebmedded library opens its own chat-channel :-/ |
| 16:43.12 | wereHamster | you'll run OOC (out of channels) pretty soon |
| 16:43.18 | Elkano | well, exactly for that reason we need a lib that uses one channel but makes the addon think it has it's own |
| 16:43.32 | Adrine | Or we need Blizzard to open channels 11+ for silent comms :D |
| 16:43.34 | Adrine | 1-10 for chat, 11-99 for addon comms |
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| 16:53.59 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Mod Dev Discussions: Keep smiling! It makes people wonder what you are up to... |
| 16:54.04 | JoshBorke | ~hi purl |
| 16:54.06 | purl | Many greetings, purl, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 16:54.14 | JoshBorke | mouse died :-( |
| 16:54.34 | Adrine | I wonder if it would be possible to get purl to throw itself into an infinite loop |
| 16:54.50 | Adrine | Like, if you have it correct a regex that produces a regex and procs another regex substitution |
| 16:54.56 | Adrine | ...why did I just say "procs"? |
| 16:55.28 | Adrine | I'd try, but I'd probably make you all hate me. :D |
| 16:56.20 | JoshBorke | eh? |
| 16:56.35 | JoshBorke | how could you do that to him though? i think his regex is queit limited |
| 16:56.54 | JoshBorke | s/qu[ei]+t/quite/ |
| 16:57.15 | Adrine | Well, my assumption would be that he's written in perl |
| 16:57.37 | Adrine | So he has a regex that matches regexes and executes them on something in the recent log |
| 16:58.01 | Adrine | Though I suppose he likely has a check that prevents him from correcting himself. |
| 16:58.25 | JoshBorke | yes, how do you make him regex himself? |
| 16:58.46 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: how do i get access to those pretty graphics of yours? |
| 16:59.43 | wereHamster | I don't have the xml.. I generate it in lua |
| 17:00.59 | wereHamster | here you have it with the IFrameFactory interface: http://wow.pastebin.com/655959 :) |
| 17:04.02 | kremonte | what graphics? :X |
| 17:04.57 | wereHamster | http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/7469/healsync0ia.png <= this |
| 17:05.21 | kremonte | shrug |
| 17:05.24 | kremonte | ~ahhh |
| 17:05.25 | purl | purl, ahhh? |
| 17:05.32 | kremonte | zomg it dun work |
| 17:05.35 | kremonte | purl, forget ahhh |
| 17:05.47 | kremonte | ;( |
| 17:08.00 | wereHamster | The colors are quite badly chosen.. yellow text on top of the white bar.. |
| 17:13.45 | krka | if i wanted to create a tabbed frame thingy, what would be a good thing to copy paste from? |
| 17:14.03 | Adrine | krka: I'm just simulating tabs myself |
| 17:14.11 | Adrine | I have multiple frames that are children of my tabbed frame |
| 17:14.21 | Adrine | And the "tab" buttons hide and show those child frames as appropriate |
| 17:14.33 | krka | yeah, i am not too worried about that |
| 17:14.39 | krka | just actually making it look pretty |
| 17:16.01 | Elviso | krka: SetWrangler has a tabbed interface |
| 17:16.18 | krka | no builtin stuff i could rip out? |
| 17:16.31 | Elviso | I'm not sure what you mean |
| 17:16.39 | krka | i.e. something out of blizzards framexml |
| 17:17.03 | Elviso | he did his own XML I think....it's similiar to the AH window |
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| 18:05.35 | Wobin_ | ps |
| 18:05.40 | Wobin_ | purl doesn't proc off himself |
| 18:06.58 | Elkano | krka, WoW's tabs are fake ^^ |
| 18:07.05 | Elviso | can anyone tell me if my syntax @ line 133 in http://wow.pastebin.com/656104 will work as expected? |
| 18:07.48 | Elviso | Elkano: your tradeskill/etc frame extender things are pure beauty :) |
| 18:08.03 | Elkano | thx :) |
| 18:08.18 | Elviso | i was using frameXML hacks before, and was afraid I'd never get that functionality again |
| 18:08.19 | Elkano | had a bit fun with Gimp to build the textures :) |
| 18:09.02 | ckknight | Elviso, your function is definitely not right |
| 18:09.33 | ckknight | instead of PI_Vars.tTable(sUnit), did you mean PI_Vars[tTable](sUnit) ? |
| 18:09.45 | Elkano | if PI_Vars.tTable(sUnit) then <-- [] instead of () ? |
| 18:10.08 | Elkano | btw, ckknight, thx again for fixing DurabilityFu :) |
| 18:10.26 | krka | what do you mean wow's tabs are fake? |
| 18:10.32 | Elviso | Ah ok, I will do that....I'm still about 20% into learning proper LUA syntax |
| 18:12.26 | Elkano | well, krka, you have the tab buttons and code that will show/hide frames depending on the tab clicked |
| 18:12.42 | Elkano | have a look at eg the auction house code |
| 18:14.09 | Elkano | the only bonus you have are some functions to set the tab buton shown as active |
| 18:14.39 | JoshBorke | oh yea, wereHamster, the colors are based on class |
| 18:16.18 | krka | and how would non-fake tabs work? |
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| 18:16.33 | Adrine | There's not really any such thing as "non-fake" tabs. |
| 18:16.37 | Adrine | Well. |
| 18:16.43 | Adrine | I guess you COULD do it like this: |
| 18:16.53 | Adrine | Just have tabs re-order the frames in the framelevel |
| 18:16.54 | krka | if there are fake tabs, there should be non-fake ones |
| 18:16.59 | Adrine | So you bring the active tab on top |
| 18:17.04 | krka | otherwise, the whole concept of fake tabs is meaningless |
| 18:17.06 | Adrine | Well, "fake tabs" are hiding and showing panes. |
| 18:17.17 | Adrine | "real tabs" would be like bringing a frame to the top of the page |
| 18:17.25 | Adrine | Err, top of the layer |
| 18:17.25 | krka | that's exactly how every other window API does it |
| 18:17.36 | Adrine | In practice, either works. |
| 18:18.03 | Adrine | It might be more effective to show/hide, depending on how the UI decides whether or not to render frame quads |
| 18:19.48 | Elkano | krka, there are also no non FauxScrollFrames, are there? ;) |
| 18:20.13 | Kirov | The Talent window and Mail frames use ScrollFrames |
| 18:20.13 | Adrine | There are normal scroll frames |
| 18:20.16 | Iriel | theres a ScrollFrame |
| 18:20.17 | Adrine | Like the quest window |
| 18:20.22 | Iriel | which is 'real' |
| 18:20.31 | Adrine | Smooth scrolling, as opposed to line-item data repopulation |
| 18:21.00 | Iriel | with the associated overhead of needeing to supply all the content up-front |
| 18:21.05 | Adrine | I was considering switching Sanity to a real-scroll system for aesthetic reasons now that I can create line items dynamically, but that would be a bit of a memory drain, I think |
| 18:21.17 | Iriel | though i suppose you could virtualize some of that |
| 18:21.37 | Kirov | Adrine - it's slower, for sure |
| 18:21.37 | Adrine | Eh, not worth the effort. Just sticking to Faux. :) |
| 18:22.07 | Kirov | I do it for Simple Action Sets, but I don't have consistant spacing between all of my buttons |
| 18:22.14 | Kirov | But, it does mean I have to have 120 buttons |
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| 18:22.27 | Adrine | It would let me provide an icon-scale option, but that's not worth the resource drain, IMO |
| 18:22.36 | Adrine | Because some lists could be several hundred items, easily. |
| 18:22.42 | Adrine | Possibly several thousand. |
| 18:23.10 | Adrine | I guess I could still provide that to an extent, really |
| 18:23.47 | Kirov | Adrine - yeah, for long lists it's bad, it's only good for scrolling frames that stay a near consistant in length, or have a known, and fairly short cap in length past the scroll. |
| 18:24.03 | Iriel | is it significantly slower if you're still providing the items in a virtual form like the faux scroll frame? |
| 18:24.05 | Kirov | Adrine - window scalling! |
| 18:24.05 | Kirov | hehe |
| 18:24.16 | krka | you could still ignore items that aren't visible |
| 18:24.20 | Iriel | i.e. you have a long 'empty' ScrollFrame, and just have buttons for the visible area |
| 18:24.26 | Iriel | and probably one row in each direction |
| 18:24.43 | Adrine | That would be doable, but it's require a lot of shuffling, I think |
| 18:24.49 | Iriel | since OnUpdate fires BEFORE the screen repaints, you could make sure you avoid gaps. |
| 18:25.01 | Iriel | Well, I do faux scrolls with gaps and it doesn't seem (a) tricky or (b) slow. |
| 18:25.02 | Adrine | Like, at certain scroll deltas, you'd have to shift everything down or up one button |
| 18:25.02 | Kirov | Iriel - The "scroll" itself takes a lot of cpu, but if you where shuffling around the icons inside the scroll window, yeah, you could probably keep the memory foot print down. |
| 18:25.06 | Iriel | I mean, shuffling, not gaps |
| 18:25.23 | Adrine | Speaking of scrolling... |
| 18:25.30 | Iriel | Kirov : I guess my question is does the scroll take a lot of cpu because of the number of things in the scrollchild, or just because. |
| 18:25.33 | Adrine | ...is the faux scroll frame super slow for anyone else when scrolling -up-? |
| 18:25.42 | Adrine | Pop open the macro interface and scroll down the icon list, and then back up. |
| 18:25.51 | Adrine | Scrolling up makes the client stutter for me. |
| 18:26.01 | Adrine | Happens in Sanity too. |
| 18:26.08 | Adrine | Down is smooth, up is jerky. |
| 18:26.10 | Adrine | Oddest thing ever. |
| 18:27.36 | Kirov | Iriel - a bit of both, I'm guessing. I should see if things off the scroll frame are still getting rendered, though I've noticed that items inside it are still being evaluated each frame. |
| 18:28.03 | Iriel | Kirov: that would make some sense |
| 18:28.23 | Iriel | Kirov: Since it's got to render at the very least those things near the edge so it can mask them for display |
| 18:28.32 | Iriel | Kirov: I wonder how (in)efficient it is |
| 18:28.57 | Kirov | next time slouken is online, I want to ask him how he's doing the masking. |
| 18:29.10 | Kirov | He might just be clipping the frames off. |
| 18:29.17 | Kirov | ooo |
| 18:29.17 | Iriel | You'd be better off posting on the forum |
| 18:29.36 | Iriel | Explain that you've been using it, but that it appears to perform badly, and ask your questions |
| 18:29.47 | Iriel | That's likely "Interesting enough" that you'll get a reply eventually 8-) |
| 18:30.30 | Kirov | I wonder what would happen if I stick a rotating texture inside a scroll frame |
| 18:31.13 | JoshBorke | oh yea, wereHamster, the colors are based on class |
| 18:31.27 | JoshBorke | repeating yourself ftl |
| 18:31.33 | Kirov | that could answer some questions about how it's doing the clipping (ie: if it's doing it inside the actual UI engine with the tools available, or a specialized path) |
| 18:32.05 | Iriel | I would imagine that a rotating texture inside the frame works |
| 18:32.21 | Iriel | My guess is it's rendering everything into an off-screen surface, then clipping that back onto the screen |
| 18:32.29 | Iriel | but I really have no idea since I'm not a DirectX guy 8-) |
| 18:32.45 | Kirov | Iriel - that would be the more sensable aproach, yes. |
| 18:33.06 | Adrine | Render-to-texture is kinda expensive, but it's the only way I'd know of to do it. |
| 18:33.14 | krka | i remember when i reimplemented scrollframes |
| 18:33.16 | Adrine | Well, not horribly expensive, I guess. |
| 18:33.19 | Kirov | But it might just be clipping the frames and using a SetTexCoords method. |
| 18:33.20 | krka | i clipped all my textures manually |
| 18:33.26 | krka | (AutoTravel map) |
| 18:33.47 | Kirov | It would explain some of the visual oddities I see when scrolling. |
| 18:34.02 | Kirov | And would probably break with a rotating texture. |
| 18:37.43 | krka | why? |
| 18:37.59 | krka | i doubt they're using SetTexCoords |
| 18:38.02 | Iriel | It wouldn't break, but the math gets messier |
| 18:38.12 | krka | we can't do that for anything except textuers |
| 18:38.22 | Iriel | Behind the scenes it's all textures |
| 18:38.35 | Iriel | but still, you have to break textures that cross the clipping boundary |
| 18:38.40 | Iriel | and that's a paint. |
| 18:38.44 | Iriel | pain, even 8-) |
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| 18:39.09 | Miravlix | How does Lua deal with me loading the same addon twice? |
| 18:39.16 | Iriel | Miravlix : It doesn't let you 8-) |
| 18:39.22 | Miravlix | Works fine |
| 18:39.33 | Iriel | LoadAddOn only actually loads it the first time |
| 18:39.42 | Miravlix | It's embedded |
| 18:39.50 | Iriel | Then it's not an addon. |
| 18:39.59 | Iriel | Basically "loading an addon" is just "executing your code" |
| 18:40.04 | Miravlix | Why do I bother |
| 18:40.04 | Iriel | So you'll replace any global symbols etc |
| 18:40.17 | Iriel | frames are tricky, they sort of do and sort of dont load |
| 18:40.27 | Iriel | You DO end up with both frames existing |
| 18:40.30 | Iriel | but only one has the right name |
| 18:40.38 | Iriel | (I believe it's the FIRST one, but i'm not certain) |
| 18:41.48 | krka | ... |
| 18:42.14 | krka | you ask a question, then get annoyed when it turns out the question you asked isn't what you wanted to know? |
| 18:42.43 | Miravlix | No I asked how lua dealth with code loaded twice |
| 18:42.47 | Miravlix | then got a stupid lecture |
| 18:43.37 | Iriel | You got a single line comment that your question was misleading. |
| 18:43.51 | Iriel | And then I answered the question you meant to ask |
| 18:43.54 | Miravlix | No I got told I was fucking stupid |
| 18:43.59 | Miravlix | and what I asked wasn't possible |
| 18:44.07 | krka | ... |
| 18:44.09 | Adrine | o.0 |
| 18:44.26 | Kirov | You asked, "How does Lua deal with me loading the same addon twice?" |
| 18:44.30 | Miravlix | And its' freaking annoying having to argue about everything |
| 18:44.37 | Iriel | Miravlix : You need to get over yourself, you asked if an AddOn can be loaded twice, an AddOn is a bunch of files with a TOC |
| 18:44.57 | Iriel | Miravlix : You CANNOT load an AddOn twice. You MEANT to as 'what happens if I load the same lua code twice' |
| 18:45.23 | Kirov | The answer to that is that it just overwrites what's in memory |
| 18:45.26 | Kirov | yes? |
| 18:45.28 | krka | yes |
| 18:45.28 | Iriel | Yes |
| 18:45.34 | Iriel | Though frames are somewhat special |
| 18:45.35 | Miravlix | This is a stupid word fighyt |
| 18:45.45 | Iriel | We're communicating via IRC, words are IMPORTANT |
| 18:45.47 | Miravlix | to me the addon is loaded twice |
| 18:46.15 | Miravlix | Just because one instance is through another addon doesn't change that the addon is loaded twice |
| 18:46.37 | Iriel | You are MISUSING a term which, in the context of wow, has a specific meaning |
| 18:46.47 | Iriel | It's NOT OK to do that and then be annoyed when you're corrected. |
| 18:46.54 | krka | we aren't mindreaders you know |
| 18:47.04 | Kirov | I am |
| 18:47.08 | Kirov | I can read my own mind! |
| 18:47.11 | Kirov | sometimes |
| 18:47.14 | krka | don't be impolite when people _try_ to answer your question |
| 18:47.15 | Miravlix | Your being extreamly narrow minded |
| 18:47.18 | Iriel | It'd be like me using the term 'number' to refer to a table that happens to have numbers in it. |
| 18:47.32 | Miravlix | I have no problem with people not getting A+ in enhglish and perfectly typing what they mean |
| 18:47.37 | Miravlix | I can still understand them |
| 18:47.41 | Iriel | This has nothing to do with english, or typing |
| 18:47.48 | Adrine | There is a difference between using proper grammar and communicating thoughts clearly. |
| 18:47.52 | Miravlix | It has everything to do with it |
| 18:47.59 | Iriel | If you'd say "wut happens when my lua code is two times loded?" |
| 18:48.02 | Kirov | Adrine - not even a grammar issue |
| 18:48.08 | Kirov | Just a terminology issue |
| 18:48.08 | Iriel | We'd have figured that out |
| 18:48.12 | Adrine | Right, that's what I meant. |
| 18:48.15 | Adrine | I didn't communicate clearly. :) |
| 18:48.21 | Miravlix | The bottom line is, other people can understand what is being said |
| 18:48.31 | Kirov | Who? |
| 18:48.50 | Kirov | Considering everyone else in this channel read it the same way Iriel did? |
| 18:49.00 | Miravlix | I have no problem with others saying things a little different than the holy grail |
| 18:49.14 | krka | Miravlix: X? Iriel: Well, X.... Miravlix: WTF? Z??? Iriel: Oh... Z is... Miravlix: Whatever!! You should know i meant Y! |
| 18:49.20 | Miravlix | I can still understand what theya re talking about |
| 18:49.32 | Miravlix | It's not x vs Z |
| 18:49.32 | Tain | I like cake. |
| 18:49.37 | Wobin_ | I like cake too |
| 18:49.38 | Miravlix | it's X1 vs x2 at the most |
| 18:49.41 | Wobin_ | Cake is tasty |
| 18:49.49 | JoshBorke | Tain: any update on visor buttons changing with ACTIONBAR_PAGE? :-( |
| 18:49.53 | JoshBorke | mmm, cheesecake |
| 18:49.58 | Miravlix | Maybe just X vs x |
| 18:50.05 | krka | Blueberry pie FTW |
| 18:50.19 | Wobin_ | It's hard enough getting nice baked goods here =( |
| 18:50.27 | Tain | JoshBorke yes and no. :) I actually just posted in the Visor thread on wowace that I tested disabling changing entirely and it seems to work. So that's one thing. |
| 18:50.41 | Tain | Not baked goods friend, baked bads! -The Tick |
| 18:50.47 | JoshBorke | waaa! i just pulled up the thread, checking that post now :D |
| 18:51.00 | Miravlix | It's very easy as an experinced developer to know what people really mean even if they don't manage to describe the problem in perfect grammatical, syntaxical or whatever fasion. |
| 18:51.25 | Kirov | Visor is basically a "Flex Bar" type mod for Ace, right? |
| 18:51.34 | krka | no one asked for that |
| 18:51.36 | JoshBorke | Kirov: visor is more like move anything |
| 18:51.46 | Kirov | ah, ok |
| 18:51.52 | JoshBorke | Kirov: visoractionbuttons is like flexbar, only much more flexible and light-weight |
| 18:52.00 | Iriel | Miravlix : I answered both of your damn questions, the one you asked, and the one you meant. I also pointed out why you got the 'unexpected' answer first. You weren't lectured, or yelled at, or called stupid. Please drop it, or leave the channel and troll somewhere else. |
| 18:52.31 | kremonte | why do i always cmoe back to bad things happening on irc; ( |
| 18:53.08 | JoshBorke | lol kremonte |
| 18:53.31 | kremonte | seriously! i left #warsong open, wake up and see a link to a russian guild covered with naked NE's :X |
| 18:53.32 | krka | remember that none of this is real! you're all bots in my irc-simulation |
| 18:53.34 | JoshBorke | Tain: ok, question though. if you overwrite CURRENT_ACTIONBAR_PAGE, won't that mess up other addons that use it? |
| 18:53.53 | kremonte | then i come back to #wowi-lounge after a long bike ride and i see iriel opening up a can of whoop-ass |
| 18:53.54 | krka | well, sure |
| 18:54.08 | krka | my actionbar-page addons could handle it though :) |
| 18:54.21 | Elviso | kremonte: I've learned that server channels are just a notch about jr. high playgrounds as far as intelligent goes |
| 18:54.26 | krka | except that i rm -rf that addon |
| 18:54.34 | Elviso | *intelligent discussion goes |
| 18:54.49 | Tain | That's part of the issue JoshBorke, you sort of can't mix and match. It's easier use the action bar page swapping or disable it entirely, OR me write complete new sets of functions for everything that uses GetPagedID. Or hook GetPagedID |
| 18:54.57 | kremonte | Elviso: heh, a high school café more like ;) |
| 18:55.26 | Tain | Which I don't want to hook unless it really becomes necessary and a good idea because that function gets called constantly. I think every button's OnUPdate actually |
| 18:55.39 | Tain | And so it's unlikely I'll ever do that. |
| 18:56.16 | Tain | But well maybe. Who knows. |
| 18:56.27 | Iriel | Sadly you more or less HAVE to hook GetPagedID if you want to use the standard action button code |
| 18:56.30 | Tain | I just think the performance would be noticabally hit. |
| 18:56.47 | Iriel | The good news is you can make your hooked version do its work first, and make it MUCH faster than the standard blizzard one |
| 18:56.53 | Iriel | The standard version is a dog |
| 18:57.19 | JoshBorke | hm, where is GetPagedID defined? |
| 18:57.36 | Tain | Iriel: The idea I had was hooking ChangeActionBarPage() instead, IF you are not using the default ActionButtons at all. |
| 18:57.43 | Iriel | ActionButton.lua I think |
| 18:57.47 | Tain | Yes that's right. |
| 18:58.01 | krka | yup |
| 18:58.01 | Tain | It's ActionButton_GetPagedID |
| 18:58.01 | Iriel | It's got stuff like: local parentName = button:GetParent():GetName(); |
| 18:58.07 | JoshBorke | ew |
| 18:59.34 | Tain | As ugly as that code is, if you don't need to actually use the bar numbers you can just make sure CURRENT_ACTIONBAR_PAGE=1 always and still use the ugly Blizz code. |
| 18:59.56 | Iriel | Tain: Actually, you can also just hook :GetID() on YOUR button |
| 19:00.07 | Iriel | Tain: And compensate for the CURRENT_ACTIONBAR_PAGE offset |
| 19:00.08 | krka | WTF, each actionbutton hooks all the events it needs? |
| 19:00.14 | Tain | Yeah that's true too. |
| 19:00.17 | krka | such as update_bindings |
| 19:00.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Codayus (i=cody@l0gical.net) |
| 19:00.18 | Tain | Yep krka |
| 19:00.27 | krka | should i submit this to thedailywtf? :) |
| 19:00.38 | Tain | haha I've found a lot of code I've wanted to |
| 19:00.42 | krka | so ActionButton_UpdateHotkeys() gets called once for each button? |
| 19:00.51 | krka | oh well, not too often though, i guess |
| 19:01.00 | kremonte | ack, my blister grew a blister |
| 19:01.04 | Tain | But yeah, everything is registered to every button. |
| 19:01.06 | Miravlix | No, but the fact Libram can't read the questlog after server restart, is a big wtf. |
| 19:01.11 | krka | worse for PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED and stuff |
| 19:01.12 | Iriel | The nice thing about an event driven model is you dont have to overoptimize the code if you make sure events aren't called unnecessarily |
| 19:01.13 | Iriel | However |
| 19:01.24 | Iriel | the GetPagedID function is painful |
| 19:01.41 | Kirov | Yeah, that's just a big hack |
| 19:01.47 | Tain | I dislike the entire bar implementation. |
| 19:01.59 | Iriel | But anyway, I'm leaning towards the GetID hook myself next time i'm changing PocketHelper, it's cleaner than hooking the main function |
| 19:02.00 | Miravlix | It basically crashes the UI, and you need to disable Libram, load WoW, open the quest log and click all the quests to update teh WDB database. |
| 19:02.05 | JoshBorke | :'( i'm having trouble understanding. what does GetPagedID() do? |
| 19:02.18 | Kirov | JoshBorke - Two things |
| 19:02.29 | Tain | Yeah Iriel I'm glad you mentioned hooking GetID, I'm going to test that myself. |
| 19:02.32 | Kirov | The main action bar has "pages" |
| 19:02.51 | JoshBorke | yea, ok |
| 19:02.59 | Kirov | So, it offsets the Action ids for each button based on the current "page" the player is using |
| 19:03.07 | Iriel | JoshBorke: It's the function that EVERY action button uses to work out what it's current action is, since the actionbar pages aren't separate button sets, just the same buttons changing which action they display. |
| 19:03.13 | Devla | HI |
| 19:03.19 | Kirov | It also offsets the first bar if they're in a form that changes bar 1 to bar 7, etc |
| 19:03.20 | Gryphon | heya |
| 19:03.32 | krka | i need to unregister all the actionbutton events... i dont have those visible anyway |
| 19:03.52 | Tain | Iriel: But how do you reconcile handing off the proper ID when GetID is called outside of GetPagedID? |
| 19:04.48 | Iriel | Tain: It's meaningless outside of GetPagedID |
| 19:05.07 | Iriel | Tain; GetID is just a mechanism for code to tag a numeric value onto a frame |
| 19:05.24 | Iriel | Tain: In the context of action buttons, it's defined as the button offset within the appropriate set of buttons. |
| 19:05.33 | Tain | I guess. It may just be that I used GetID a lot in Visor because I couldn't use GetPagedID. |
| 19:07.05 | Tain | Yeah, I suppose no buttons really are known as anything besides IDs 1-12 when it really comes down to it. |
| 19:07.16 | JoshBorke | ok, so I think it's starting to set in. so, what would GetPagedID() return? a number 1-72 or a number 1-12? or am i totally off? |
| 19:08.08 | Kirov | JoshBorke - a number between 1-108 |
| 19:08.17 | JoshBorke | yea, ok |
| 19:08.20 | Devla | new FonTabulous menu, looky look: http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6575/ftmenu4ur.jpg |
| 19:08.44 | JoshBorke | Devla: nifty |
| 19:08.54 | Kirov | Basically, Button ID (which is 1-12) + ((Page # - 1) * 12) |
| 19:09.10 | JoshBorke | yea. which is what i was trying to do when i was making action bars in visor |
| 19:09.28 | JoshBorke | which i think i finally realized why it was going hay-wire on me when i did it |
| 19:09.44 | Tain | Visor (and other bar addons) skip it entirely by just assigning IDs directly to the buttons number 1-120. |
| 19:10.11 | Tain | Technically the default UI really only sees button IDs 1-12. |
| 19:10.22 | JoshBorke | what was the old ace forums theme? |
| 19:10.45 | Tain | And GetPagedID generates that 1-120 (well 108) ID instead of it being inherently assigned. |
| 19:11.17 | Kirov | And the this:GetParent():GetName() evilness only exists because of the multiactionbars that were added in 1.5 |
| 19:11.29 | Kirov | It used to be much cleaner |
| 19:11.47 | Tain | Yeah, but if the game were designed with multiple bars in mind from day 1 it would have been so much nicer. |
| 19:11.56 | Kirov | This is true |
| 19:12.17 | Tain | Those blocks of if ( parentName == "MultiBarBottomLeft" ) then ... drive me nuts. |
| 19:12.24 | Kirov | They also could of just assigned the multi action bars ids > 12 and said "if id > 12 don't bother" |
| 19:12.28 | Elviso | Whoever was asking about tabs, I found http://www.wowwiki.com/Advanced_Tutorial:_Tabbed_Windows |
| 19:12.40 | Elviso | idk if it's of any use to you or not just thought I'd throw it out there |
| 19:12.50 | Iriel | Well, when the buttons came up in a discussion on the forum (I asked slouken if he could improve it) |
| 19:13.01 | Iriel | his response was that someday it should really become 'object'ish |
| 19:13.09 | Tain | hehe sure it *should* |
| 19:13.18 | JoshBorke | hehe, 'someday' |
| 19:13.22 | Iriel | I would think it'd be relatively easy to give each button a GetActionID() method |
| 19:13.31 | Iriel | The default implementation could just call the nasty functionm |
| 19:15.50 | Tain | Well you know at least they did do local parentName = button:GetParent():GetName() instead of just calling button:GetParent():GetName() for each check. :) |
| 19:15.57 | Kirov | I still love the whole "MultiBarBottomLeft" vs. "MultiActionBar1" issue |
| 19:16.31 | Kirov | Surprised they never bothered to fix that one |
| 19:22.01 | Iriel | Tain: It got changed to do it that way, the old (in 1300 for sure) implementation called it for every test |
| 19:22.10 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.12 | Iriel | etc |
| 19:22.33 | Tain | That's lovely. |
| 19:25.50 | kremonte | why aren't capital letters allowed in names anymore >< |
| 19:27.15 | krka | huh? |
| 19:27.53 | ckknight | hey, what's the easiest way to tell if someone is cursed? |
| 19:27.58 | ckknight | and to tell what kind of curse? (Magic, Disease, Curse) |
| 19:28.25 | kremonte | ...cursed? or debuffed? |
| 19:28.25 | kremonte | 2 different things, CURSE YOU DECURSIVE |
| 19:28.33 | ckknight | well, has a debuff that is Magic, Disease, or Curse |
| 19:28.51 | kremonte | show only dispellable debuffs? :p |
| 19:28.51 | ckknight | some debuffs are none of those |
| 19:28.55 | ckknight | such as Weakened soul |
| 19:28.59 | ckknight | right, kremonte |
| 19:29.13 | kremonte | theres an option for that under interface options :p |
| 19:29.16 | ckknight | how do I tell if someone has a Magic debuff on them? |
| 19:29.23 | ckknight | kremonte, you should know I mean in code... |
| 19:29.37 | kremonte | well itd depend what you never need it for :O |
| 19:29.50 | ckknight | excuse me? |
| 19:29.51 | kremonte | unless this channel is strictly coding onry |
| 19:29.58 | kremonte | don't ask me |
| 19:30.34 | ckknight | well, does anyone else know how to tell if someone has a dispellable buff, and what kind it is? |
| 19:30.55 | ckknight | debuff* |
| 19:31.09 | kremonte | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Buff.2FDebuff_Functions ? |
| 19:31.23 | krka | can't you scan the tooltip? |
| 19:31.30 | krka | that's my answer to everything btw |
| 19:31.39 | kremonte | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitDebuff |
| 19:32.18 | kremonte | i can't answer specifically though, sorry. never worked with buffs (EVIL EVIL THINGS) |
| 19:33.23 | ckknight | I don't wanna scan the tooltip, it's icky |
| 19:33.53 | krka | even if you dont have to scan very often? |
| 19:34.16 | kremonte | krka, away with you! *swaps with magical away-powder on a broomstick* |
| 19:34.39 | Wobin_ | ckknight: You could group it by texture =P |
| 19:35.02 | krka | textures dont identify debuff uniquely i think |
| 19:35.45 | kremonte | they sure don't. :( |
| 19:35.52 | ckknight | which sucks |
| 19:36.10 | krka | i suppose you could first check textures, and if it's not certain which debuff it is, you scan it |
| 19:36.12 | ckknight | but does a curse, magic, or disease debuff ever overlap? |
| 19:36.26 | krka | don't think so |
| 19:36.31 | kremonte | what do you mean? |
| 19:36.34 | kremonte | texturewise? |
| 19:36.41 | kremonte | i've seen instances of it, though i can't name them specifically |
| 19:37.33 | krka | aspect of the cheetah / nightelf mount have the same texture |
| 19:37.37 | krka | but that's not a debuff |
| 19:37.45 | kremonte | Windows NT was so named because the letters "NT" follow "MS", which is an abbreviation for Microsoft. Windows XP follows a similar convention, where the letters "XP" follow "WN", being an abbreviation for Windows. |
| 19:37.46 | kremonte | o_O |
| 19:37.46 | krka | only example i could come up with |
| 19:38.03 | ckknight | is there ever a curse debuff texture that's the same as a magic, disease texture? |
| 19:38.23 | kremonte | <kremonte> i've seen instances of it, though i can't name them specifically |
| 19:38.50 | kremonte | i wouldnt trust doing by texture only |
| 19:39.41 | krka | you only have to scan when your debuff status changes... which isn't too often |
| 19:40.41 | Wobin_ | I think overall, ckknight, you're going to have to scan the tooltip for keywords |
| 19:40.52 | ckknight | I'm thinking of keeping a cache that assigns textures to the type of debuff |
| 19:41.11 | Wobin_ | An adaptive kind? |
| 19:41.18 | kremonte | ugh, you're going to make me log on and get examples of them overlapping |
| 19:41.44 | kremonte | i would have to agree with tooltip scanning in this scenario |
| 19:41.54 | ckknight | i'd have to scan the tooltip once |
| 19:41.56 | ckknight | to check the type |
| 19:41.58 | ckknight | then I store that |
| 19:42.04 | Wobin_ | and the texture |
| 19:42.10 | ckknight | so I can do a texture -> type table |
| 19:42.12 | JoshBorke | Tain: ok, so. would it be possible for me to just overwrite GetPagedID() for the visorbuttons I don't want affected by changing the action bar page? |
| 19:42.14 | Wobin_ | then work off the texture from then on in |
| 19:42.19 | kremonte | i ave seen "curse" icons used for magic debuffs, as well as a few buffs |
| 19:42.22 | ckknight | right, Wobin_ |
| 19:42.36 | Wobin_ | (What's this for, btw?) |
| 19:43.10 | ckknight | a buffing mod I'm working on |
| 19:43.13 | ckknight | for my priest |
| 19:43.17 | krka | ckknight, but unless you have a complete cache, you'll neve be sure what debuff a texture is |
| 19:43.24 | Wobin_ | decursivish? |
| 19:43.26 | ckknight | it pops up a message if I need to do something |
| 19:43.34 | ckknight | it'll handle both decurses and curses, Wobin_ |
| 19:43.45 | Wobin_ | White Priest Needs Food Badly! |
| 19:43.48 | kremonte | http://thottbot.com/?sp=14538 curse, seen as a magic debuff |
| 19:43.58 | ckknight | damn |
| 19:44.14 | kremonte | http://thottbot.com/?sp=21330 same |
| 19:44.25 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 19:44.28 | Wobin_ | Oh Noes! |
| 19:44.29 | kremonte | what is blackout listed at? http://thottbot.com/?sp=18502 |
| 19:44.35 | Wobin_ | I need a Released Thistle Bear to fix it! |
| 19:44.47 | kremonte | http://thottbot.com/?sp=1010 wobin has that |
| 19:45.22 | Wobin_ | Man, those thistle bears fix -everything-! |
| 19:45.45 | ckknight | basically, what it does is tell you if you need to buff/undebuff/etc. then you press a button, and it does the most urgent thing |
| 19:46.09 | Tain | JoshBorke: It's actually a couple of things. If you want some buttons to respond to changing the action bar and some not to there's more. I'm not even 100% sure how much. |
| 19:46.25 | AnduinLothar | wow, there's a sandstorm in tanaris.. |
| 19:47.05 | JoshBorke | AnduinLothar: nifty |
| 19:47.22 | Tain | I think you have to unregister the event ACTIONBAR_PAGE_CHANGED on those buttons, and override ActionButton_GetPagedID() to send back the proper IDs for the buttons. |
| 19:47.28 | Wobin_ | hm, I'm going to have to end up doing that for MASH =( |
| 19:48.17 | JoshBorke | Tain: hrm. i'll have to try that at some point... |
| 19:49.21 | Tain | I am going to test today with giving each button its own GetID() function to return a value that will offset GetPagedID though, as Iriel said. |
| 19:49.32 | Tain | That's one piece at least. |
| 19:49.34 | Wobin_ | oh wait |
| 19:49.37 | Wobin_ | showDispellable |
| 19:49.46 | Wobin_ | in UnitDebuff |
| 19:49.52 | kremonte | yuo |
| 19:49.53 | kremonte | yup |
| 19:49.58 | kremonte | i mentioned it before |
| 19:49.59 | kremonte | :p |
| 19:50.01 | Wobin_ | That'll filter out the stuff |
| 19:50.10 | Wobin_ | I knew there was something =P I just couldn't remember =P |
| 19:50.44 | Adrine | Ooh, this is neat. |
| 19:51.01 | Adrine | I've got a list view working, where everything including widths and # of columns is dynamic |
| 19:51.03 | Wobin_ | btw ckknight http://www.wowwiki.com/Queriable_Buff_effects has a list of textures for some buffs |
| 19:51.37 | Adrine | You just give it a list of columns and widths on the column headers and widths on the column data (they need to be different for my purposes) and then a list of data and it spits it out. |
| 19:51.39 | Adrine | It's slick. >:) |
| 19:51.47 | JoshBorke | Adrine: nice :D |
| 19:52.25 | Wobin_ | Adrine: sounds nifty |
| 19:52.36 | Wobin_ | Night! |
| 19:52.49 | JoshBorke | guten nacht |
| 19:53.03 | krka | nice Adrine |
| 19:53.06 | Wobin_ | auf wiedershen |
| 19:53.12 | kremonte | sehen :p |
| 19:53.16 | kremonte | nn |
| 19:53.25 | Wobin_ | auf wiedersehen? |
| 19:53.37 | kremonte | yes |
| 19:53.39 | kremonte | i do believe so |
| 19:53.41 | kremonte | :o |
| 19:53.42 | Wobin_ | danke =) |
| 19:53.48 | kremonte | gute nacht |
| 19:53.54 | kremonte | the gute is wrong probably |
| 19:53.57 | kremonte | but... go away |
| 19:54.06 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:54.12 | JoshBorke | ciao! |
| 19:54.22 | Wobin_ | zaijian =P |
| 19:59.28 | ckknight | Tschuss |
| 20:04.55 | Tain | Ooh your UI looks interesting when you accidentally set every action button to the same ID. |
| 20:05.12 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 20:15.38 | *** join/#wowi-lounge [MoonWolf] (n=moonwolf@f176182.upc-f.chello.nl) |
| 20:20.45 | Tain | Iriel: The Blizz UI does call GetID() instead of ActionButton_GetPagedID in a few cases on ActionButtons. |
| 20:23.03 | Tain | Actually it might just be one case that matters. |
| 20:25.02 | JoshBorke | woohoo! |
| 20:25.14 | Tain | Aaand it won't actually matter since it would only affect the Blizz default bar anyway. So it doesn't matter. |
| 20:25.33 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 20:26.53 | Tain | Actually it's going to be a problem anyway because I have to also worry about SetID. |
| 20:28.05 | Tain | So I have to add a SetID function as well I think. Really though there's something else going wrong that I don't under.. oh. wait I think it just hit me. |
| 20:29.36 | Iriel | This is like "Thought TV" - I love it. |
| 20:29.37 | JoshBorke | that and when people go 'ah ha! i did it!...oh wait...' |
| 20:29.47 | Tain | Too creative. I was wrong. :) |
| 20:30.57 | Tain | I created a SetID() method for each VisorActionButton that returns the proper ID to GetPagedID based on the current CURRENT_ACTIONBAR_PAGE. That works. |
| 20:31.33 | Tain | Unfortunatly doing that has somehow made it so that the button icons don't change anymore when the current acion bar page changes. |
| 20:32.01 | JoshBorke | visor button icons?+ |
| 20:33.37 | Tain | Yeah it doesn't change the visible texture of the button. Changes the function beneath it. But the pretty picture stays the same. |
| 20:33.50 | JoshBorke | hrm |
| 20:34.19 | Elviso | Question: if I want to check if a value (or key) exists in a table, do I have to loop the table and try to find a match? Or is there an easier way? |
| 20:35.55 | Adrine | Key is easy enough - if tableName[keyName] ~= nil ... |
| 20:36.03 | Adrine | Well. |
| 20:36.10 | Adrine | Assuming that the value at that index isn't nil. |
| 20:36.18 | Tain | Which it can't be. |
| 20:36.25 | Adrine | Problem solved! |
| 20:36.32 | Adrine | Values, I haven't found a good way for fast access. |
| 20:36.46 | Elviso | Ok, ty :) |
| 20:37.46 | Iriel | There's no such thing a sa nil value |
| 20:38.05 | Iriel | Or, there are a (logically) infinite number of keys with nil values |
| 20:38.40 | Iriel | Well, if you need to optimize a table for value lookup, sometimes it's easiest to maintain 2 tables, with keys and values reversed in the 2nd one |
| 20:43.54 | Tain | Ah I was wrong. None of the buttons are shifting at all now on bar change. Wonder how that happened. |
| 20:45.08 | Tain | I need to see what's inside ChangeActionBarPage() is the issue. |
| 20:46.10 | Iriel | I think ALL it does is fire an ACTION_BAR_CHANGED event |
| 20:46.22 | JoshBorke | Tain: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 20:46.28 | Iriel | Sorry, ACTIONBAR_PAGE_CHANGED |
| 20:49.53 | Tain | JoshBorke you know... I'm not even 100% sure anymore. |
| 20:50.40 | Kirov | Anyone know if Blizzard has been told about the new spoofing method? |
| 20:50.40 | Tain | ACtually heh I just realized I accomplished exactly what I was trying to accomplish, and just was confusing myself. |
| 20:50.40 | JoshBorke | Tain: lol. that's what I thought :-). EXACTLY what I was about to say. |
| 20:50.47 | Tain | Action bars change fine, the buttons stay exactly where they're supposed to without moving. |
| 20:51.07 | JoshBorke | Tain: woohoo! which means I can implement the buttons changing as I see fit :D |
| 20:51.25 | Kirov | no one? |
| 20:51.26 | Tain | Ideally, yes! |
| 20:51.33 | Tain | No idea, Kirov. |
| 20:52.36 | Iriel | Kirov: What spoofing method? |
| 20:52.51 | Kirov | iriel - "item:0:0:0:0" |
| 20:53.27 | JoshBorke | Tain: when can I get a copy? ^_^ |
| 20:53.39 | Kirov | bypasses all of the server's checks and lets you send whatever text you want in the link. |
| 20:54.01 | kremonte | eh, kirov? |
| 20:54.04 | kremonte | using 0? |
| 20:54.08 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 20:54.11 | kremonte | O_O |
| 20:54.17 | Codayus | lol |
| 20:54.36 | Kirov | causes errors in any of the item database mods too |
| 20:54.44 | Kirov | since SetHyperlink knows it's a bad link |
| 20:54.47 | Kirov | but the server doesn't |
| 20:55.57 | kremonte | ah, you still need the [] ;( |
| 20:56.02 | kremonte | boo |
| 20:56.10 | groll | hmm is there any update for the addon special events? |
| 20:56.47 | Tain | JoshBorke: Still need to update so that button swapping using Visor works properly, this breaks it until I fix SetID. |
| 20:56.52 | Miravlix | News at 11: The Special Addon Olympics |
| 20:57.03 | Kirov | |cffff0099|Hitem:0:0:0:0|h[SUPER PINK ITEM!!!!]|h|r will show a pink item called [SUPER PINK ITEM!!!!] and not disconnect you |
| 20:57.17 | Kirov | You can stick color tags inside the name too |
| 20:57.51 | JoshBorke | oOoOo |
| 20:57.57 | JoshBorke | so like, i could create a rainbow colored item? |
| 20:58.02 | kremonte | yes |
| 20:58.22 | JoshBorke | oh, someone needs to make a mod that makes you talk in rainbow colors, like all the script kiddies used to play with! |
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| 21:00.05 | Gryphon | that would be really annoying |
| 21:00.40 | Kirov | JoshBorke - |cffff0000|Hitem:0:0:0:0|h[|cffff0000R|cffff6600a|cffffffi|cff00ff00n|cff0000ffb|cff6600ffo|cffff00ffw|cffff0000]|h|r |
| 21:00.52 | JoshBorke | Kirov: awesome |
| 21:01.15 | JoshBorke | now, can i just /say that? |
| 21:01.21 | Kirov | no |
| 21:01.35 | Kirov | since the edit box will translate the |c in to ||c |
| 21:02.33 | Kirov | Though, it wouldn't be terribly difficult to fix that |
| 21:03.08 | Kirov | on send, just string.gsub(text, "%|%|c", " |
| 21:03.11 | Kirov | |c") |
| 21:03.19 | JoshBorke | i'll just echo it locally :-) |
| 21:03.40 | JoshBorke | thanks for all the help g uys :-) |
| 21:04.05 | Miravlix | s/g uys/gay guys/ |
| 21:04.17 | JoshBorke | s/g uys/guys :-P/ |
| 21:04.31 | Kirov | I think it only works on stuff you say, heh |
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| 21:04.45 | Miravlix | It only works on stuff you say. |
| 21:05.18 | Kirov | and now josh is going to go spam his server with [Rainbow] s |
| 21:11.49 | Adrine | You know |
| 21:12.06 | Adrine | I would kill for an offline WoW client with built-in server emulator for UI development. |
| 21:12.33 | Adrine | Something that stubs the server for calls that communicate with it and provide configurable data back |
| 21:13.01 | Miravlix | And where you could create 39 raid members |
| 21:13.08 | Miravlix | and bots to control there behavior |
| 21:13.09 | Adrine | This wish brought to you by the letters "a", "u", "t", "h", "e", "n", "t", "i", "t", "a", "t", "i", "n", and "g". |
| 21:13.11 | Kirov | Adrine - Just download one of those "other" servers |
| 21:13.20 | kremonte | Kirov: NO |
| 21:13.24 | kremonte | ~whaleslap Kirov |
| 21:13.26 | purl | ACTION beats Kirov upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 21:13.27 | Adrine | You don't need bots, really. Just emulation of events. |
| 21:13.42 | Adrine | So, I flip a switch and get simulated combat events for X friendies and Y enemies |
| 21:14.07 | Miravlix | But then you could do that with the normal wow servers |
| 21:14.12 | Adrine | Except when you can't log in! |
| 21:14.20 | Miravlix | Minor details! |
| 21:14.22 | kremonte | e.g.: now |
| 21:14.31 | kremonte | Aufenticatink |
| 21:14.35 | Adrine | Also |
| 21:14.41 | kremonte | Can't conect 2 server, try agin l8r |
| 21:14.44 | Adrine | It would be really nice to be able to develop mods when you don't have net access. |
| 21:15.08 | Adrine | Well. |
| 21:15.10 | Adrine | To test them. |
| 21:15.13 | Adrine | Developing isn't all that hard. |
| 21:15.15 | kremonte | Aufenticatink... |
| 21:15.29 | kremonte | I WAS JUST ON, AUTHENTICATEM E FFS |
| 21:15.48 | Adrine | I wonder what the authentication server hardware is like |
| 21:15.52 | Adrine | And what their scale rate is like |
| 21:15.57 | kremonte | why the hell does it keep breaking.. |
| 21:15.58 | Adrine | And why they don't scale it faster. :( |
| 21:16.00 | kremonte | it works FINE some days |
| 21:16.08 | Adrine | Database issues, I'd guess. |
| 21:16.15 | kremonte | and i'm gonna get stuck in the fucking queue now |
| 21:16.18 | Kirov | They have at least two authentication servers too |
| 21:16.20 | kremonte | just beacuse i had to restart to add a tga |
| 21:16.21 | kremonte | -_- |
| 21:16.34 | Kirov | One for account authentication, another for login in to the game |
| 21:16.51 | Adrine | They need authentication -clusters- :P |
| 21:17.07 | kremonte | eh, no use trying, they won't fix it :/ |
| 21:17.18 | kremonte | i wish purl were a real being |
| 21:17.20 | kremonte | so i could just go |
| 21:17.24 | kremonte | ~whaleslap blizz irl |
| 21:17.25 | purl | ACTION beats blizz irl upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 21:18.09 | Kirov | But if purl were real, wouldn't he be in jail for keeping a killer whale in captivity with out a license? |
| 21:18.21 | kremonte | but that's the thing. he would have a liscence. |
| 21:18.26 | Miravlix | Depends on what country he is in |
| 21:18.26 | kremonte | s/lisc/lic |
| 21:18.27 | kremonte | s/lisc/lic/ |
| 21:18.30 | kremonte | .. |
| 21:18.31 | kremonte | F U PURL |
| 21:18.37 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:18.42 | kremonte | purl sucks |
| 21:18.43 | purl | If you give me $50 I'll do more than that! |
| 21:19.02 | Kirov | ~50 bucks |
| 21:19.14 | Kirov | bah |
| 21:19.21 | Adrine | ~50bux |
| 21:19.33 | Adrine | All talk, that purl is. |
| 21:19.43 | kremonte | purl blows |
| 21:19.44 | purl | Me luv u long time. |
| 21:19.44 | kremonte | :/ |
| 21:20.27 | Josh|Gone | purl is the worst bot ever |
| 21:20.37 | kremonte | ~_~ |
| 21:20.38 | purl | it has been said that _~ is :/ |
| 21:20.50 | kremonte | purl, no, _~ is <reply>:/ |
| 21:20.51 | purl | kremonte: okay |
| 21:20.57 | kremonte | stupid bot |
| 21:21.04 | Adrine | There really needs to be an auto-retry option on the login page. |
| 21:21.29 | Adrine | Because it becomes tiresome typing in my password every 20 seconds. |
| 21:21.32 | Miravlix | Adrine, No! |
| 21:21.45 | Miravlix | Imaging the increased load auto retrying would cause |
| 21:21.51 | Kirov | Adrine - what, you don't like reading about how if you have AOL you might be fucked? |
| 21:22.06 | Adrine | The load's gonna be approximately equivalent anyhow. |
| 21:22.11 | Miravlix | It would become impossible for the servers to deal with massive login flooding |
| 21:22.14 | Adrine | It'd just make it less painful for individual users. |
| 21:23.23 | Kirov | Now, if gluexml wasn't locked we could write one ourselves! |
| 21:23.25 | End | ugh, my realm is "running at critical status" |
| 21:23.35 | Josh|Gone | i believe Miravlix is right. by not implementing the auto-login we reduce the load on the servers |
| 21:23.50 | Miravlix | Naah |
| 21:23.59 | Miravlix | Just make the auto login retry every 1 minute |
| 21:24.00 | Tain | Possibly, but I'm not sure. |
| 21:24.04 | End | unless you set to wait longer than immediately |
| 21:24.15 | End | yeah, like every minute. normally people retry immediately |
| 21:24.16 | Miravlix | Any user is going to retry manually faster than that |
| 21:24.16 | kremonte | omfg |
| 21:24.16 | Kirov | Make it try every 20-30 seconds, and no more than 10 times in a row. |
| 21:24.17 | Gryphon | Queue system logins |
| 21:24.19 | kremonte | on the opening intro of WoW |
| 21:24.20 | Tain | Just because there are people who simply give up instead of trying to log on over and over again. |
| 21:24.21 | kremonte | there are no gnomes! |
| 21:24.31 | kremonte | no fair |
| 21:24.52 | kremonte | or trolls for that matter |
| 21:24.55 | Adrine | But, I suspect it'd get people in faster, too. So I dunno. |
| 21:24.58 | kremonte | what, bliz hates us for not having homelands? |
| 21:25.18 | Miravlix | Trolls is native to Azeroth |
| 21:25.32 | Miravlix | Isn't that homeland enough for you? |
| 21:25.42 | kremonte | i mean echo isle/gnomeregan |
| 21:26.36 | Kirov | When Burning Crusade opens up we'll all find out that Gnomes are really from Outland |
| 21:27.00 | Miravlix | Naah, Gnomes is human that Tauren has sat on to much |
| 21:28.06 | Miravlix | So Gnomes is from Tauanus |
| 21:28.36 | Kirov | Which begs the question of what humans were doing in Mulgore |
| 21:28.53 | Miravlix | Animal sex |
| 21:29.37 | Miravlix | Why do you think Taurens sit on them? o.O |
| 21:29.47 | Kirov | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2413 --- um |
| 21:30.07 | Kirov | How did this pass by the worldofwar.net admins? |
| 21:30.30 | End | I think the worldofwar admins check reactively |
| 21:30.32 | Tem | quite simply, it doesn't work |
| 21:30.52 | Miravlix | Who cares it doesn't work |
| 21:30.52 | Tem | whispering yourself via script does not keep you from going afk |
| 21:30.53 | Kirov | Tem - heh, yeah, I guess that's one way |
| 21:31.05 | kremonte | Tem: it does clear AFK though. it's wierd, sporadic |
| 21:31.14 | cladhaire | Kirov: Because its not illegal, just in poor taste |
| 21:31.14 | Miravlix | Only visually |
| 21:31.15 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 21:31.18 | Miravlix | not on the serve |
| 21:31.23 | Tem | but it won't keep you from being kicked from the server |
| 21:31.26 | kremonte | yes on the server :P |
| 21:31.30 | kremonte | i know it wont keep you from being kicked |
| 21:31.40 | Kirov | I actually had a mod of mine that would randomly clear the afk flag, and I never figured out why. |
| 21:31.46 | Kirov | It just stopped happening eventually. |
| 21:31.53 | kremonte | yeah |
| 21:31.57 | kremonte | after like 30 mins |
| 21:31.59 | kremonte | it gives up |
| 21:32.02 | Kirov | but, yeah, I'd still get disconnected. |
| 21:32.25 | Miravlix | It's totally pointless, so why not have it out there? |
| 21:32.33 | Kirov | hehe |
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| 21:37.24 | Cairenn | hey, I remembered to shower! |
| 21:37.25 | Miravlix | What cha doing to them cairenn? |
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| 21:38.00 | Cairenn | I dunno, but I get back and suddenly everyone starts leaving ... give a girl a complex I tell ya! |
| 21:38.33 | Crispix | CRAP! /me leaves in a hurry before he embarreses himself. |
| 21:38.46 | Miravlix | Crispix is doing a tauren on Cairenn! |
| 21:38.55 | Cairenn | o.0 |
| 21:39.01 | End | Cairenn is a gnome now? |
| 21:39.06 | Cairenn | do I even want to ask what "doing a tauren" is? |
| 21:39.20 | Miravlix | Long story, involves Gnomes... |
| 21:39.42 | Cairenn | so no, I don't want to ask |
| 21:39.43 | Cairenn | olay |
| 21:39.45 | Cairenn | okay* |
| 21:40.07 | Kirov | Gnome = Tauren:Sit(Human) |
| 21:40.15 | Crispix | Cairenn Doing a tauren can also be what bush does a lot of the time (bull$hit)... :P |
| 21:40.31 | Cairenn | although I suppose if it involves Taurens, then "olay" isn't incorrect either ;) |
| 21:41.31 | Miravlix | Kirov, Thats only true when the Human objects need milk flag is true |
| 21:48.10 | kremonte | WTB Login, PST! |
| 21:48.39 | Adrine | Such a pity we can't play in the glue anymore. |
| 21:48.44 | Adrine | So many nifty things that could be done. |
| 21:49.12 | wereHamster | How can I set the texture alphaMode using lua? |
| 21:49.35 | wereHamster | There is :SetBlendMode() but I'm not sure if that's the right function |
| 21:52.49 | cladhaire | can't you use http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Texture_SetVertexColor? |
| 21:53.33 | wereHamster | I'm trying to create this texture using lua: <Texture file="Interface\CastingBar\UI-CastingBar-Spark" alphaMode="ADD"> |
| 21:53.58 | cladhaire | hm |
| 21:55.35 | kremonte | is onInput a valid onFoo? |
| 21:55.38 | kremonte | (for the xml) |
| 21:55.43 | kremonte | (for an editbox) |
| 21:56.19 | wereHamster | it is indeed Texture:SetBlendMode("ADD") |
| 21:57.00 | kremonte | anybody? :X |
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| 22:04.02 | kremonte | on vent we're playing LoginPong :D |
| 22:04.26 | kremonte | who can stay on Authenticating the longest, this is fun! |
| 22:07.56 | wereHamster | .. this mod will be awesome :) |
| 22:08.26 | kremonte | is there an OnInput for editboxes? ><" |
| 22:08.40 | kremonte | i'd check myself, but i can't logeen |
| 22:10.57 | wereHamster | http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8729/healsync8tk.png |
| 22:11.08 | Adrine | Very nice. |
| 22:11.13 | kremonte | what's that for? |
| 22:11.30 | wereHamster | the bottom is the normal casting bar, on top who's also healing your target |
| 22:11.36 | kremonte | nice |
| 22:12.27 | wereHamster | all in 260 lines of lua code, including dynamic frame creation :) |
| 22:12.34 | kremonte | very nice :o |
| 22:12.42 | kremonte | afk time! stupid login servers |
| 22:13.09 | Maldivia | wereHamster: and how do you know who they are casting on ? |
| 22:13.26 | Maldivia | wereHamster: or are you just show who's casting |
| 22:13.30 | Crispix | Nice to know that the servers are acting up again -_- |
| 22:14.04 | wereHamster | .. everyone needs to have this addon.. for now.. but maybe I'll add combatlog parsing |
| 22:14.29 | Maldivia | ahh, so hidden channel messages |
| 22:14.50 | Maldivia | do you compensate for message latency ? |
| 22:15.10 | wereHamster | no |
| 22:15.47 | Crispix | Grwar..... I can't connect :( |
| 22:16.36 | wereHamster | maybe I should add spellstarttime = GetTime() - GetLag() to the code.. don't know how well it will work.. |
| 22:17.38 | Maldivia | well, it's not only your latency, it's theirs aswell |
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| 22:18.52 | wereHamster | I'll assume that there is no lag :-P |
| 22:19.01 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 22:19.37 | Maldivia | or just have a third parameter on the message you send through, which is their current latency ? |
| 22:20.02 | Crispix | Is anyoen having problems authenticating? |
| 22:20.26 | kremonte | yes Crispix |
| 22:20.26 | Aalny | probably better to ask if anyone is *not* having problems authenticating |
| 22:20.28 | kremonte | everybody is |
| 22:20.40 | Crispix | ok.. so I'm not the only one.. thank God. |
| 22:21.36 | kremonte | Connected! |
| 22:21.45 | kremonte | [Unable to connect] |
| 22:22.01 | wereHamster | a beta version: http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/HealSync-0.0.1.0.zip .. you need to be in a raid to use it.. |
| 22:22.29 | Maldivia | I'm connected just fine... oh wait, wrong game :) |
| 22:23.02 | Adrine | HOLY CRAP I AUTHENTICATED |
| 22:23.24 | wereHamster | or here a version that world if you are in a guild: http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/HealSync-0.0.1.0-guild.zip |
| 22:25.08 | wereHamster | have fun.. |
| 22:25.10 | wereHamster | night |
| 22:29.00 | kremonte | SOMEBODY GOT ONLINE |
| 22:29.04 | kremonte | but not me. |
| 22:29.05 | kremonte | :"( |
| 22:30.04 | kremonte | i got online |
| 22:30.04 | kremonte | :D |
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| 22:56.30 | Kirov | iriel - another frame method request |
| 22:56.58 | Kirov | :SetHitRect(top, bottom, left, right) |
| 22:58.01 | Kirov | :SetHitRectInsets( left, right, top, bottom ) |
| 22:58.01 | Kirov | to match the schema |
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| 23:00.10 | Iriel | Kirov: Can you add it to the 1.11 thread? |
| 23:00.22 | Kirov | yep, adding it now |
| 23:00.27 | Iriel | Yay |
| 23:00.56 | Iriel | Slouken's going to regret encouraging us 8-) |
| 23:01.26 | Kirov | once I sign in ... |
| 23:01.31 | Kirov | Frame:SetHitRectInsets( left, right, top, bottom ) |
| 23:01.31 | Kirov | Passing nil would keep the existing HitRectInsets. |
| 23:01.32 | Kirov | left, right, top, bottom = Frame:GetHitRectInsets() |
| 23:02.02 | Iriel | the nil may be too much |
| 23:02.12 | Iriel | but if we have get we can live without it |
| 23:12.57 | Kirov | zomg, it posted! |
| 23:23.20 | ckknight | you know how pairs() returns next? what does ipairs return? |
| 23:23.50 | cladhaire | look at the lua source? =) |
| 23:25.51 | ckknight | but I just want someone to tell me... |
| 23:27.42 | Elviso | I like how my gametime expired, but the acct site has been down for 3+ hrs so I can't input a gamecard |
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| 23:46.02 | Tain | I hate troubleshooting bugs that pop up from changing something only to find out that the bug existed before the change and I just didn't know it. |
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| 23:48.45 | Nomad_Wanderer | hmm.. anyone getting any weird lockups at login? After character select, and loading bar... I get 1 frame into seeing IF, or whatever Zone I'm in, and the game freezes |
| 23:49.21 | MentalPower | that happenned to me, and it was because the script memory was set too low |
| 23:49.47 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hmm. Mine was set to 0.. I wonder if it reset it. |
| 23:50.04 | Adrine | Heh! |
| 23:50.04 | Adrine | I would guess that's a "yes" |
| 23:50.04 | Adrine | Set it to 48, minimum |
| 23:50.19 | Nomad_Wanderer | No. That's wrong. 0 means not limited |
| 23:50.25 | MentalPower | 0 is unlimited :P |
| 23:50.37 | Adrine | Ooooh. |
| 23:50.43 | Adrine | Well. Ignore me plz. >_> |
| 23:50.46 | Nomad_Wanderer | Nope it's still set to 0... must be a bum addon.. |
| 23:51.28 | Nomad_Wanderer | Going to check on Cosmostesters |
| 23:51.31 | Tain | I don't like looking too closely at Blizzard's stuff. I keep finding stuff I don't want to know. |
| 23:52.08 | Tain | Like casting a spell or some abilities casues your spellbook buttons to all update themselves (well 12 of them) to make sure they're ok. Multiple times per cast. |
| 23:52.30 | Tain | They're in the Spellbook. They don't need to check up on themselves that often. |
| 23:52.32 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Nomad_Wanderer (n=NomadWan@cpe-66-67-110-36.rochester.res.rr.com) |
| 23:53.27 | Nomad_Wanderer | Have to disable libram. :) |
| 23:54.08 | Iriel|working | ckknight :I think ipairs has its own function |
| 23:54.18 | ckknight | hrm |
| 23:57.05 | Iriel|working | ipairs uses itself |
| 23:57.08 | Iriel|working | instead of next |
| 23:57.19 | _B | Tain: Blizzard code is fucking shit. I can only assume that the actual client executable was written by their competant programmers, unlike the LUA scripts which I can hardly believe actually work at all |
| 23:57.54 | Iriel|working | _B: I think that's somewhat of an understatement |
| 23:58.04 | Iriel|working | OVERstatement, I mean |
| 23:58.05 | Iriel|working | heh |
| 23:58.13 | _B | You were right the first time |
| 23:58.39 | Iriel|working | not really, the code is good enough for the most part, it's just not great |
