| 00:00.35 | Tem | hooly crap |
| 00:00.45 | Tem | when you get your ZG enchant thing |
| 00:00.53 | Tem | is it possible to apply it to another person's item? |
| 00:01.09 | Tem | ie, to get the warlock enchant on a mage's gear? |
| 00:01.28 | Kirov | Someone was trying to do that with the Argent Dawn ones. It didn't let them. |
| 00:01.37 | Tem | damn! |
| 00:01.40 | Kirov | It's not possible to search pastebin for past posts, is it? |
| 00:01.50 | Tem | probably not |
| 00:06.47 | Kirov | grr... I can't remember how I did this |
| 00:09.18 | Tem | good lord Kirov, please tell me you had a script generate that page |
| 00:09.24 | Tem | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_TYPE_ItemString |
| 00:09.28 | Kirov | hahaha |
| 00:09.30 | Kirov | yes |
| 00:09.35 | Tem | good |
| 00:09.49 | Kirov | whats sad is the script that generated that was done in wow |
| 00:10.03 | Codayus | tem - rep based enchants wont work in non-traded slot |
| 00:10.05 | Kirov | and a 5000000 character edit box |
| 00:10.17 | Tem | Kirov: lol |
| 00:10.29 | Codayus | heh |
| 00:10.33 | Tem | Codayus: what if both people have the needed rep |
| 00:12.32 | Codayus | 95% sure it stillwon't work |
| 00:13.03 | Tem | I'd rather have the warlock enchant on my mage's stuff |
| 00:13.14 | Codayus | could try. :-) |
| 00:13.22 | Tem | hell no |
| 00:13.36 | Tem | Libram of Focus is up to 600g on my sever |
| 00:13.41 | Tem | I have 2g |
| 00:13.57 | Codayus | oooh. yeah, could be a problem |
| 00:14.03 | Codayus | time to farm? :-) |
| 00:14.18 | Tem | I need to |
| 00:14.32 | Tem | but I'm having too much fun devloping on AceGUI |
| 00:14.48 | Codayus | heh |
| 00:14.51 | Kirov | The scroll on the drop down is nice btw |
| 00:14.52 | Tem | buttons are throwing me for a loop though |
| 00:15.01 | Kirov | tempted to steal that one for myself. |
| 00:15.11 | Codayus | milk the productivity while it lasts. :-) |
| 00:15.17 | Tem | I didn't write the old stuff |
| 00:15.29 | Tem | I'm rewriting it for use in 1.10 |
| 00:15.34 | Kirov | ah |
| 00:15.40 | Tem | everything dynamic |
| 00:15.52 | Tem | frames aren't created until they're shown |
| 00:15.54 | Kirov | cached I hope |
| 00:16.02 | Tem | cached? |
| 00:16.11 | Tem | you mean a frame pool? |
| 00:16.17 | Kirov | yeah |
| 00:16.18 | Tem | no need |
| 00:16.23 | Tem | not IMO anyway |
| 00:16.37 | Tem | if someone wants to do one, it should be a seperate addon |
| 00:16.44 | Tem | hook CreateFrame |
| 00:18.06 | Tem | Codayus: exactly |
| 00:18.15 | Tem | I think I'll just move on to a different type |
| 00:24.32 | Kirov | http://wow.pastebin.com/643280 |
| 00:24.54 | Kirov | not quite the same as the original I wrote, but should still work |
| 00:25.47 | Kirov | probably a little faster than my original |
| 00:33.30 | Kirov | hmm |
| 00:51.36 | Tem | Kirov: that looks like it will always fail |
| 00:52.34 | Tem | Kirov: well, not always |
| 00:52.38 | Tem | lemme give you an example |
| 00:52.40 | kremonte | http://www.scrollsoflore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=46&pos=35 |
| 00:52.41 | kremonte | wtf? |
| 00:53.40 | kremonte | i'm thinking that's a mockup or something ._. |
| 00:53.44 | kremonte | but it says it's a prerelease SS |
| 00:55.21 | Tem | Kirov: an items has a durability line somewhere in the middle |
| 00:55.36 | AnduinLothar | ya, so slouken said i made movepad to compicated |
| 00:55.46 | kremonte | AnduinLothar: huh? ._. |
| 00:56.27 | AnduinLothar | not too unexpected |
| 00:56.30 | Tem | Kirov: when you scan the item, it doesn't put anything in the corresponding index for the durability |
| 00:56.48 | Tem | Kirov: so when you go to compare the two, you have an empty line |
| 00:57.16 | Tem | kremonte: I think that's from long ago |
| 00:57.28 | Tem | kremonte: like when they were first designing the interface |
| 00:57.31 | AnduinLothar | well i added toggling and just move while down and an option to swap left or right mouse button functions and added a show/hide/reset option to the interface options and added rotation and made a lock for movability |
| 00:57.56 | Kaelten | lol |
| 00:58.05 | kremonte | Tem: that is so hawt tho :x |
| 00:58.11 | kremonte | they made the UI graphics worse :x |
| 00:58.12 | Codayus | heh |
| 00:58.37 | AnduinLothar | and so basicly he said it had too many features and was too complicated |
| 00:59.09 | AnduinLothar | where as in my mind, with the proper tooltips it's fucking obvious.. |
| 00:59.18 | AnduinLothar | but w/e |
| 00:59.45 | AnduinLothar | never had anyone ask me to remove features before.. |
| 01:00.11 | AnduinLothar | it's not like it's hard to use or understand |
| 01:00.56 | Kirov | Tem - erm, opps |
| 01:02.12 | Kirov | http://wow.pastebin.com/643326 |
| 01:03.54 | Kirov | http://www.scrollsoflore.com/gallery/albums/wow_prerelease/031.jpg - tauren in westfall, heh |
| 01:04.00 | Tem | Kirov: I think if you do it that way, you need to change the scanning loop to be from t to NumLines() |
| 01:04.13 | Tem | s/from t/from 1/ |
| 01:04.29 | Kirov | meh |
| 01:04.37 | Tem | because it will put the first line it reads (the title) in index 1 |
| 01:04.41 | Tem | which won't match up with the other |
| 01:04.59 | Kirov | note the itemtooltip = {name} |
| 01:05.13 | Tem | oh, hah |
| 01:05.35 | Tem | I just succesfully poped a join somewhere in my chest |
| 01:05.39 | Tem | I didn't know that was possible |
| 01:05.52 | Kirov | *blink* |
| 01:05.54 | AnduinLothar | ya, pull your arms all the way back |
| 01:06.08 | Tem | nah, I just arched my back a lot |
| 01:06.09 | AnduinLothar | and you can crast your brest bone joints |
| 01:06.16 | AnduinLothar | that too |
| 01:06.37 | Tem | I didn't really realise there were joins there to be cracked |
| 01:07.09 | AnduinLothar | joints* |
| 01:07.28 | AnduinLothar | they hold your ribs together with cartilage |
| 01:14.25 | Kirov | You know what the best part about having your company taken over by another bigger company? |
| 01:14.48 | Kirov | The other company has a fibre connection to the net that they're going to install here. |
| 01:22.41 | AnduinLothar | amen |
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| 01:22.51 | Kirov | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3702 - I wondered how long it would take for this to happen. |
| 01:23.34 | Iriel | You have to click it, so I doubt anyone will mind too much |
| 01:24.38 | Kirov | true, but something else for keyminder to do now. |
| 01:24.41 | Kirov | heh |
| 01:25.26 | Kirov | I'm waiting for keyminder+ to come out that uses on the fly rebinding of keys to protected functions. |
| 01:25.59 | Iriel | That'll just hasten the demise of ALL dynamic key rebinders |
| 01:26.05 | Iriel | But hey, you'll all know who to lynch |
| 01:26.43 | Kirov | kinda' surprised that didn't get added to the protected list anyways |
| 01:26.56 | Iriel | It's known about |
| 01:27.03 | Iriel | I think they're trying to see if people can be trusted |
| 01:27.17 | Kirov | heh |
| 01:28.05 | cladhaire | The thing about fly rebinding that bothers me is it interrupts what the user expects to see and feel when they're playing |
| 01:28.22 | zenzio | if I want to store the return value of a function (such as random()) in a /script, is it correct (or safer) to use "local" for the variable, or does it not matter? |
| 01:28.25 | cladhaire | the only difference I can see is something like using control-clicks on the world to activate whatever is in your queue.. That I could deal with. |
| 01:28.35 | Kirov | cladhaire - why? |
| 01:28.36 | kremonte | don't use global variables! |
| 01:28.44 | AnduinLothar | I have buffbot mapped to a hook of my right click binding |
| 01:28.47 | zenzio | in other words, use local in /scripts too? |
| 01:29.24 | cladhaire | Kirov: What was the "why" in reference to? |
| 01:29.30 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Do you have some sort of trigger key? |
| 01:29.43 | Kirov | why would rebinding effect what the user expects to see? |
| 01:30.18 | Kirov | this is in reference to using a keyminder / hardware macro setup |
| 01:30.26 | Tem | kremonte: that picture is definately from a long, long time ago. It's not possible to create a human female with hair of that style. I think that's actually a NE male hairstyle now |
| 01:30.27 | Kirov | Not rebinding the actual keys |
| 01:30.46 | cladhaire | Kirov: Didn't realize it was a hardware piece in there too. |
| 01:30.58 | Kirov | cladhaire - you know of keyminder, yes? |
| 01:31.08 | kremonte | Tem: i know |
| 01:31.09 | cladhaire | yes, very aware of it. |
| 01:31.15 | kremonte | Tem: i was just wondering if it was real, or a mockup |
| 01:31.19 | cladhaire | haven't looked at the new versino tho |
| 01:31.51 | Kirov | People who use it tend to just get a keyboard with hardware / software macros that spams a single key constantly. |
| 01:31.58 | AnduinLothar | no clad, but it would be trivial to add one |
| 01:31.59 | Tem | I think the new version intends to be more like an action queue |
| 01:31.59 | Kirov | so, only that key would get rebound on the fly |
| 01:32.13 | Tem | new version of keyminder that is |
| 01:32.30 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: So your right click doesn't work as usual anymore? |
| 01:32.38 | AnduinLothar | no, it does |
| 01:33.13 | cladhaire | Can you post an example for me? I've been very much out of the loop except for the changes that affected WD, etc. |
| 01:33.16 | AnduinLothar | does exactly the same thing, using a diff function that isn't protected |
| 01:33.34 | Tem | MouseLookStart? |
| 01:33.55 | Tem | or is it StartMouseLooking? |
| 01:33.59 | AnduinLothar | MouselookStop |
| 01:34.14 | Kirov | Those initiate a hardware event? |
| 01:34.26 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 01:35.27 | Kirov | so how does it buff? |
| 01:36.11 | Tem | he changed the right mouse binding |
| 01:36.15 | AnduinLothar | on down it replaces the binding |
| 01:36.30 | Tem | anyway, I'm sick of using this keyboard |
| 01:36.44 | AnduinLothar | and on up it calls buffbot and MouselookStop and unhooks the binding |
| 01:36.54 | Kirov | lol |
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| 01:37.13 | Crispix | http://wow.allakhazam.com/mediabox/MassSuicide.jpg .. woah.. look at all the ground beef.. |
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| 01:53.12 | Iriel | Tem, you gonna pick up a G15 to replace your keyboard? |
| 01:53.28 | Tem | no way |
| 01:53.34 | Iriel | Now I have one I can post endless threads demanding WoW support for it (even though i dont play WoW on this machine) |
| 01:53.34 | Tem | 1) Too expensive |
| 01:53.48 | Tem | 2) I'd never use the LCD |
| 01:54.01 | Tem | 3) Too expensive |
| 01:54.01 | Iriel | 1) perhaps |
| 01:54.14 | Tem | 4) I can't type on non-ergonomic keyboards anymore. I'm spoiled |
| 01:54.16 | Iriel | 2) I have my system uptime and load average on mine so far, I'll be putting DSL activity there as soon as I can be bothered. |
| 01:54.19 | Tem | 5) Too expensive |
| 01:54.34 | Tem | stop making me thing about #2 |
| 01:54.40 | Tem | I /will/ find a use for it |
| 01:54.51 | Iriel | It's just a 160 x 43 bitmap, you can put ANYTHING on there you want |
| 01:55.04 | Iriel | It could constantly scroll 'Tem is Cool!' |
| 01:55.14 | Tem | >< |
| 01:55.18 | Iriel | Or play pong with itself |
| 01:55.26 | Tem | now that's cool |
| 01:55.50 | Iriel | I'm not sure where you hit the point that updating too often starts to degrade keyboard performance |
| 01:56.01 | Iriel | I'm sticking with one update a second for now and that's working just fine |
| 01:56.23 | Tem | Iriel: I'm having a hard time coming up with a way to seemlessly work around the dynamic button issue |
| 01:56.33 | Iriel | Tem: The SetText one? |
| 01:56.36 | Tem | yeah |
| 01:56.45 | Iriel | Tem: Create your own FontString, hook SetText et al? |
| 01:57.16 | Iriel | Tem: A little overkill-ish |
| 01:57.16 | Tem | well... |
| 01:57.16 | Tem | I want it to work |
| 01:57.16 | Tem | like now |
| 01:57.28 | Tem | oh I know! |
| 01:57.42 | Tem | I've been wanting an excuse to use your embeded library |
| 01:57.55 | Tem | system |
| 01:57.59 | Tem | ... thing |
| 02:00.05 | Tem | hmm, now this is odd |
| 02:00.22 | Tem | I can't seem to make a fontstring position itself like the "built in" ones do |
| 02:00.45 | Tem | CreateFrame("Button","TestButton",UIParent) |
| 02:01.07 | Tem | TestButton.text = TestButton:CreateFontString(nil,"ARTWORK") |
| 02:01.53 | Tem | ug |
| 02:02.14 | Tem | can't log in tonight to get to get to my button code |
| 02:03.54 | Iriel | I got in on my 5th try, I think |
| 02:04.19 | Iriel | though NOW i'm stuck at "Retrieving Character List" |
| 02:04.22 | Iriel | oh, and now i'm D/C'ed |
| 02:04.33 | Iriel | Dont they know who I AM!? 8-) |
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| 02:05.32 | cladhaire | haha |
| 02:05.42 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 02:14.33 | Iriel | Ooh, someone poured some draino into the server, it just unstuck spectacularly and i'm on |
| 02:16.26 | Tem | ah finaly me too |
| 02:20.45 | Tem | alsdfasdf! |
| 02:21.18 | Tem | http://wow.pastebin.com/643400 |
| 02:21.25 | Tem | run that in game and see what I'm seeing |
| 02:21.32 | Tem | I don't understand what the issue is |
| 02:29.16 | kremonte | wft |
| 02:29.18 | kremonte | the text is like |
| 02:29.20 | kremonte | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.52 | Tem | indeed |
| 02:30.05 | Tem | it always sticks to the bottom right corner |
| 02:30.12 | Tem | and that's not all |
| 02:30.15 | kremonte | i just did it for all points |
| 02:30.22 | Tem | yeah all points does the same thing |
| 02:30.27 | kremonte | it thinks the center is bottom right, and right is aaaaaal the way off the frame |
| 02:30.37 | Tem | oh really? |
| 02:30.41 | Tem | I hadn't tried right yet |
| 02:31.30 | kremonte | one sec |
| 02:31.34 | kremonte | i have a midpoint |
| 02:31.38 | kremonte | using an offset :/ |
| 02:31.44 | Tem | what the crap |
| 02:31.55 | kremonte | t:SetPoint("TOPLEFT",17,-5) |
| 02:31.58 | kremonte | ;/ |
| 02:32.22 | Tem | local f = CreatFrame("frame","TextFrame",UIParent) |
| 02:32.22 | Tain | Doesn't work. |
| 02:32.37 | kremonte | Tain: ? |
| 02:32.41 | Tem | f ~= TextFrame |
| 02:32.50 | kremonte | wtf ._. |
| 02:33.08 | Tain | Unless it was fixed SetPoint needs all options specified after 1.10 |
| 02:33.33 | Tem | oh? |
| 02:33.44 | Tem | I dun think so |
| 02:34.32 | Tain | It did last week. |
| 02:34.42 | Tem | alright good, my f ~= TextFrame was my own problem and not something bigger |
| 02:35.01 | kremonte | erm |
| 02:35.03 | kremonte | how do you destroy frames? |
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| 02:35.22 | Tem | you don't |
| 02:35.25 | cladhaire | kremonte: You don't.. you recycle |
| 02:35.26 | kremonte | ._. |
| 02:35.29 | kremonte | ummm |
| 02:35.42 | kremonte | how do i hide it then :( |
| 02:35.58 | cladhaire | Hide()? |
| 02:36.01 | Tem | did you give it a name? |
| 02:36.01 | kremonte | won't work |
| 02:36.05 | kremonte | yes Tem |
| 02:36.09 | Tem | then use the name |
| 02:36.16 | kremonte | not working |
| 02:36.16 | kremonte | ;( |
| 02:36.18 | Tem | k |
| 02:36.22 | Tem | then use GetMouseFocus |
| 02:36.27 | kremonte | WorldFrame |
| 02:36.27 | kremonte | :( |
| 02:36.35 | kremonte | *reloadui* |
| 02:37.43 | Tem | tain, giving all the options doesn't change anything |
| 02:38.18 | kremonte | where's the documentation on it? :X |
| 02:38.21 | kremonte | nothing on wiki that i can find |
| 02:38.59 | Tem | documentation on what? |
| 02:39.03 | kremonte | dynamic frames |
| 02:39.27 | Tem | oh, yeah not really |
| 02:42.56 | Iriel | Once created they're just normal frame |
| 02:42.58 | Iriel | +s |
| 02:43.03 | Iriel | you hide it with f:Hide(), etc |
| 02:51.03 | Tem | Iriel: you see this? |
| 02:51.17 | Tem | Anchoring stuff to dynamic buttons is all screwed up |
| 02:51.17 | Iriel | I missed a chunk of the discussion |
| 02:51.37 | Tem | I'm trying to test it with something other than a FontString atm |
| 02:51.52 | Tem | but I got distracted by a bug I found in some of my own code |
| 02:52.12 | Iriel | JUST dynamic ones? |
| 02:52.14 | Iriel | Not normal ones? |
| 02:52.19 | Tem | haven't tried normal ones |
| 02:52.35 | Tem | but I would imagine someone would have said something about a normal button by now |
| 02:53.12 | cladhaire | I had some serious issues last night with frames not returning GetTop(), GetLeft().. and its still broken as far as I can tell =(. |
| 02:53.28 | cladhaire | but i haven't been able to build a minimal case today .. just got home from work a bit ago |
| 02:54.26 | Iriel | I'm actually Playing at the moment otherwise i'd take a look |
| 02:55.15 | Tem | haha |
| 02:55.22 | Tem | I'm setting up a normal button to test with atm |
| 02:58.30 | Tem | wow lol |
| 02:58.38 | Tem | I think I just found my 'problem' |
| 02:58.55 | Tem | the the textures aren't trimmed |
| 02:59.43 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.05 | Iriel | A TexCoord issue? |
| 03:00.08 | Tem | yeah |
| 03:02.14 | Iriel | An interesting question is, if you set a texture via it's Texture object, does it pick up the texcoords of the original? |
| 03:02.18 | Iriel | I think it should, myself |
| 03:02.24 | Tem | I hope so |
| 03:02.55 | Tem | because I don't think there is a way to set a button's normal texture's TexCoord without it |
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| 03:29.00 | Karl|Work | hey guys, does anyone know of a lib that will let me click/mouseover the minimap and get coords or something similar? |
| 03:29.46 | Karl|Work | coords for my cursor position |
| 03:30.15 | Karl|Work | and if possible distance in instances even if not coords |
| 03:30.21 | Tem | MapLibrary might do that |
| 03:30.34 | Karl|Work | krka, you around? |
| 03:31.52 | Karl|Work | hmm, distance might be simpler than just coords |
| 03:32.06 | Karl|Work | just needs some math on known scales |
| 03:33.20 | Karl|Work | trying to make click to move work with the minimap :) |
| 03:34.58 | Tem | that's a cool idea |
| 03:35.24 | Tem | seems like it wouldn't work though |
| 03:35.31 | Karl|Work | might have to spam clicks :/ |
| 03:35.31 | Tem | movement restrictions and all |
| 03:35.45 | Tem | boo |
| 03:35.55 | Karl|Work | well YOU have to spam clicks anyway |
| 03:36.03 | Tem | ? |
| 03:36.12 | Karl|Work | actually working on making it work on an internal bot |
| 03:36.24 | Tem | internal? |
| 03:36.43 | Karl|Work | useful for testing when it doesn't require a live person |
| 03:36.44 | Gryphen | |Work |
| 03:37.16 | Karl|Work | like a 'you, go there' kinda thing |
| 03:37.44 | Tem | so, signed code can't do things without a keypress? |
| 03:38.04 | Karl|Work | not on your account |
| 03:38.45 | Karl|Work | mmm, i take that back |
| 03:38.55 | Karl|Work | it's a client limitation |
| 03:39.57 | Karl|Work | so signed would work |
| 03:39.57 | Karl|Work | :x |
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| 03:41.24 | Karl|Work | hmm, MapLib doesn't have minimap functions, but if i had coords i could get distance using MapLib and save myself the math i spose |
| 03:41.50 | Karl|Work | hmmm Gather has minimap scales |
| 03:42.19 | Karl|Work | a LOT of it |
| 03:43.04 | zenzelezz | Your Taunt was evaded by Rabbit. |
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| 03:46.21 | Karl|Work | Gatherer_MiniMapPos would work.. |
| 03:51.40 | Tem | kremonte: I fixed the posistioning issue we were seeing earlier |
| 03:52.20 | Tem | kremonte: http://wow.pastebin.com/643477 |
| 03:52.24 | Tem | kremonte: that is the corrected code |
| 03:52.33 | Tem | (if you wanted to see) |
| 03:58.58 | Gryphen | thz792677 |
| 04:04.37 | Karl|Work | not sure what that's in refrence too, but i think the gatherer code is more pertinent |
| 04:04.56 | Gryphen | no this! |
| 04:05.01 | Tem | oh sweet yayness |
| 04:05.02 | Karl|Work | ? |
| 04:05.20 | Tem | either 1.10 or an addon I'm using removed the size limits on the ChatFrame resizes |
| 04:05.35 | Karl|Work | is that a problem? |
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| 04:06.09 | zenzio | mine seems to still be limited |
| 04:06.12 | Qzot | Yo. |
| 04:06.45 | Tem | no, Karl|Work it's fantastic |
| 04:06.58 | Tem | I view more of a /dump at a time |
| 04:07.02 | Qzot | Login servers down. |
| 04:07.06 | Iriel | Yo Zottums |
| 04:07.14 | Iriel | Down, or just strangely broken? |
| 04:07.17 | Qzot | Can one of you pretend to be the server? |
| 04:07.25 | Iriel | Connecting |
| 04:07.34 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 04:07.43 | Qzot | Now you can't say anything for 5 minutes. |
| 04:07.46 | Iriel | [You have been Disconnected] |
| 04:07.52 | Qzot | LOL |
| 04:08.14 | Qzot | Actually, it's responding right away atm: "Unable to Connect". |
| 04:08.34 | Qzot | But ... um ... that was the part of the server I was hoping you would emulate. |
| 04:10.09 | Qzot | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.04 | Iriel | [Your Inventory is Full] |
| 04:12.10 | Qzot | I *need* that tome. Might if I roll on it? |
| 04:12.19 | Qzot | *Mind |
| 04:12.23 | Qzot | Noooo!! |
| 04:12.27 | Qzot | NINJA! |
| 04:12.30 | Iriel | Damn, that's BoP too |
| 04:12.37 | Tem | gah! |
| 04:12.41 | Qzot | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.42 | Tem | the vendor won't buy it from me |
| 04:13.45 | Qzot | Iriel: Was the advice you gave Ordin ('Global variables for macro use?') correct? |
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| 04:14.29 | Tem | yay! My neighbor things it would be a good idea to play rap music as loudly as possible now |
| 04:14.41 | Qzot | We had a guy on our server offering low-end purples for about half price, and then during the trade, moving the item to "Will not be traded". |
| 04:15.07 | Iriel | Qzot : It should be, any variable you create is global unless declared otherwise, and will be visible to later calls |
| 04:15.21 | Tem | Qzot: ouch did anyone get burned? |
| 04:15.22 | Qzot | I don't think that's true for macros... |
| 04:15.31 | Tem | Qzot: it is true for macros |
| 04:15.39 | Iriel | Macros containing /script |
| 04:15.49 | Iriel | That part was assummed, perhaps erroneously |
| 04:15.52 | Qzot | I didn't. But I got tells from 3 other people when they saw me line up with him for trade. Can't remember. I think one did. |
| 04:15.58 | Iriel | but each /script is just executed as a standard lua chunk |
| 04:16.12 | Qzot | Hmm. It's seemed different for me. |
| 04:16.26 | Iriel | People get messed up with local a lot |
| 04:16.30 | Qzot | It seemed to me that every macro invocation occured in a new context. |
| 04:16.34 | Iriel | Because it's not "macro scope" it's "/script line scope" |
| 04:16.55 | Qzot | Naw. I'm not talking about local vars. Can't afford the space for those anyway. |
| 04:17.24 | Iriel | You probably picked the wrong capital letter for your variable and got clobbered by Thottbot |
| 04:17.40 | Qzot | I've definitely had the impression that /script x='foo' from the chat window affects a global var, but from a macro it doesn't. |
| 04:18.15 | Iriel | You reached the wrong conclusion then, I've never seen that behavior |
| 04:18.25 | Qzot | Hmm. We wouldn't have this discussion if a *$%^*$( server was up. |
| 04:18.47 | Iriel | *$%^*$( being short for 'Login' ? |
| 04:19.11 | Qzot | Um. Yes. Thank you. |
| 04:19.40 | Qzot | Okay, it's clear I'm not going to have time to try a crazy idea, so I'll offer it up for grabs. |
| 04:19.47 | Qzot | I'm probably no the first anyway... |
| 04:19.51 | Iriel | The world servers are happy (which I suppose makes it worse) |
| 04:20.03 | Qzot | Grr. I got disconnected during dinner. |
| 04:20.19 | Iriel | I thought i'd seen Lnu make an appearance |
| 04:21.06 | zenzio | I get a chuckle out of this each time I read it: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc968.txt |
| 04:21.19 | Qzot | Does 1.10 have enough ways to interrogate UI elements, and the dynamic creation have enough ways to create/tweak them, that remote window replicaiton (minus some of the specialized ui items like minimap) would be possible? |
| 04:21.44 | Iriel | Qzot: Hm, sort of ish |
| 04:21.56 | Iriel | Qzot : It would require the same addon set on both clients |
| 04:22.05 | Qzot | Of course. |
| 04:22.09 | Iriel | And there's no GetTexCoord |
| 04:22.19 | Qzot | Hmm. |
| 04:22.34 | Qzot | I'm imagining being able to view someone's talent tree with them. |
| 04:22.37 | Iriel | Though Tem should ask for that in the 1.11 thread Real Soon Now |
| 04:22.48 | Iriel | Well, something specific like a talent tree shouldn't difficult |
| 04:23.05 | Qzot | Yeah. But I'm thinking more general, with specific instantiations. |
| 04:23.16 | Qzot | I've got a half-finished talent tree one from 1.8. |
| 04:23.33 | Tem | Iriel: I was considering it, but I haven't requested it yet, because I haven't thought of a use for it yet. |
| 04:23.40 | Qzot | You have now. |
| 04:23.45 | Tem | Iriel: though, now that I say that, I have |
| 04:23.45 | Iriel | Cloning buttons |
| 04:24.02 | Tem | and Iriel wins the prize for reading my mind |
| 04:24.22 | Qzot | Waughh!! I said you had thought of one. |
| 04:24.27 | Qzot | I said it first! |
| 04:24.37 | Iriel | Tem was doing it earlier, with issues |
| 04:24.41 | Qzot | ...without the specifics. |
| 04:24.52 | Iriel | Some related to that (which is the only reason it popped into my mind as something that might be an issue so quickly) |
| 04:25.14 | Iriel | But I dont think it was as advanced a thought as cloning entire frametrees |
| 04:25.30 | Iriel | You're definitely first to suggest that particular use (remote viewing) for sure. |
| 04:25.56 | clad|sleep | I agree. |
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| 04:26.10 | clad|sleep | I clone the entire spellbook, and it would be handy to do it auto-magically =) |
| 04:26.16 | Tem | what do you mean by remote viewing, Iriel? |
| 04:26.16 | Iriel | Hey slouken 8-) |
| 04:26.21 | clad|sleep | Have a good night all! |
| 04:26.23 | Tem | hey slouken . |
| 04:26.24 | Iriel | Run now while you have the chance! |
| 04:26.24 | Qzot | I prefer http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/rfc/rfc30xx/RFC3092.html |
| 04:26.25 | Tem | night clad|sleep |
| 04:26.44 | Iriel | Tem: Qzot's suggestion was to basically scan and serialize a frame structure, for rendering on another client |
| 04:26.50 | zenzio | Qzot: doesn't rhyme |
| 04:26.55 | Iriel | Tem: A generalized 'See my talents' or 'see my inventory' or 'see my bank' solution |
| 04:27.06 | zenzio | a coding poem = win |
| 04:27.08 | Tem | oh wow, that sounds cool |
| 04:27.13 | Qzot | By remote viewing, I mean an app that runs on person A's system that watches person B's talent tree. |
| 04:27.29 | Qzot | Yeah. What iriel said. |
| 04:27.37 | Qzot | Useful, even. |
| 04:27.41 | slouken | Hey Iriel, Tem, ckknight |
| 04:28.23 | Tem | Qzot: it would probably be easier to make the app more specific |
| 04:28.35 | Qzot | Hmm. That's debatable. |
| 04:28.46 | Iriel | Where's the fun and re-use in that? 8-) |
| 04:28.56 | Tem | damn Iriel's good tonight |
| 04:28.58 | Qzot | If there's a generic way to clone each app, the comm channels get simpler. |
| 04:29.05 | Karl|Work | anyone got any idea if Gatherer_MiniMapPos takes pixel delta or global coord delta? |
| 04:29.07 | Tem | I can't get my next thought out before he says it for me |
| 04:29.20 | Tem | Karl|Work: no, sorry |
| 04:29.32 | Karl|Work | no comments :( |
| 04:29.54 | Qzot | Still down. |
| 04:29.56 | Kirov | Tem - http://wow.pastebin.com/643518 my original function |
| 04:30.06 | Tem | but you run into problems where there are holes in the query mechanisms that either we haven't found yet, or the "pirate" hasn't added for us yet. |
| 04:30.33 | Qzot | Yeah. Might be nice to know where they are, thoough, no? |
| 04:30.33 | Tem | Like GetModelFile, or GetTexCoord |
| 04:30.51 | Tem | I'll be finding a lot of them in the next week or so |
| 04:31.03 | Tem | as a implement each one in AceGUI |
| 04:31.23 | Tem | so far I've got frames, textures and fontstrings in |
| 04:31.39 | Qzot | AceGUI? |
| 04:31.41 | Tem | been working on a general workaround to the button 'issues' today |
| 04:31.41 | Karl|Work | btw slouken, as I am not so easily detered, I sent you back another revision of MovMod with substantially less 'complexity'. |
| 04:31.51 | Karl|Work | MovePad* |
| 04:32.00 | Tem | Qzot: it's a frame creation library |
| 04:32.15 | Qzot | Advantage over the xml? |
| 04:32.25 | Iriel | Embeddability |
| 04:32.29 | Tem | Qzot: in old versions it served to simplify your xml |
| 04:32.31 | Qzot | (Playing devil's advocate here. I hate the xml...) |
| 04:32.41 | Iriel | Scriptability/Leverage |
| 04:32.44 | Kaelten | in the new version there won't be any xml |
| 04:32.48 | Tem | Qzot: but this version intends to do everything in lua |
| 04:32.56 | Qzot | Iriel-style embedability, or Qzot-style embedability? :D |
| 04:33.02 | Tem | with a few nifty quirks |
| 04:33.08 | Tem | such as the frames aren |
| 04:33.10 | Tem | 't |
| 04:33.11 | Iriel | Mine, probably |
| 04:33.14 | Qzot | hehe |
| 04:33.34 | Tem | created until you either call Initialize on them, attempt to show them, or attempt to anchor to them. |
| 04:33.38 | Qzot | You know my feeling about single standards, anyway. |
| 04:34.01 | Tem | Qzot: did you ever write yours? |
| 04:34.08 | Qzot | Nope. |
| 04:34.14 | Qzot | I've had about zero time recently. |
| 04:34.25 | Qzot | Won't do much good. |
| 04:34.37 | Tem | I disagree |
| 04:34.43 | Qzot | Things have come to a head, and I'm spending my time getting a resume, etc, in order. |
| 04:35.07 | Iriel | That's most unfortunate too 8-( |
| 04:35.17 | Qzot | Maybe even premature. |
| 04:35.26 | Iriel | But better safe than sorry? |
| 04:35.43 | Qzot | I haven't made a decision to move on, but made a decision to get ready, and start looking around. |
| 04:35.44 | Tem | Iriel's system is great for complete library embedding, and iirc from the discussions you had about your's is that it would be more granular |
| 04:36.00 | Qzot | Maybe. |
| 04:36.02 | Tem | Qzot: problems at work? |
| 04:36.18 | Qzot | The most interesting project I'm working on isn't finding funding. |
| 04:37.01 | Qzot | And I'm not seeing other projects atm that really grab my attention. |
| 04:39.03 | Tem | that stinks |
| 04:39.12 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 04:39.17 | Wobin_ | I take it people are having issues connecting? |
| 04:39.39 | Iriel | Yes, they're performing emergency maintainence |
| 04:39.44 | Tem | Wobin_: the login servers seem to be taking their usual peak-hours shit |
| 04:39.46 | Qzot | It's not that bad. At least I have the freedom to find a job that I find interesting and challenging. Not everyone has that much flexibility. |
| 04:39.48 | Iriel | Claimed to last possibly another 35 minutes |
| 04:39.50 | Wobin_ | woho =( |
| 04:40.01 | Tem | I'm logged in |
| 04:40.02 | Qzot | Who claimed? |
| 04:40.10 | Kirov | "until approximately 10:15 AM" |
| 04:40.16 | Kirov | the log in message |
| 04:40.35 | Iriel | It's the login server, not the realm server, so DONT log out 8-) |
| 04:40.36 | Qzot | Lol. I haven't even been trying, until I can log into the forums. |
| 04:41.00 | Qzot | Iriel: May I borrow your connection? For just a sec. I promise I'll give it right back. |
| 04:41.01 | Tem | Iriel: aye, that's why I've been tabbing in and hitting Jump every few minutes |
| 04:41.13 | Kirov | hmm |
| 04:41.23 | Qzot | Gah. He has a server connection and doesn't even use it. |
| 04:41.50 | Iriel | Qzot it depends what 'borrow' entails |
| 04:41.59 | Iriel | I can remotely execute random commands, but I do have quests to complete 8-) |
| 04:42.03 | Kirov | extended until 11pm |
| 04:42.21 | Wobin_ | What's the time now? |
| 04:42.29 | Tem | 9:42 PST |
| 04:42.30 | Iriel | 9:42 pacific |
| 04:42.34 | Wobin_ | =( |
| 04:42.37 | Wobin_ | grump |
| 04:42.47 | Iriel | Actually no |
| 04:42.50 | Iriel | because it's PDT now |
| 04:42.57 | Miravlix | Puzzle of the day? http://wow.pastebin.com/643526 How can this function execute the first Sea.io.print, but not the one just before end? |
| 04:42.58 | Iriel | so I win by not specifying 8-) |
| 04:43.03 | Tem | oh, I can never figure that out |
| 04:43.10 | Miravlix | The code contains 0 returns |
| 04:43.54 | Qzot | Miravlix: zomg |
| 04:43.59 | Tem | does most of Europe not use DST? |
| 04:44.17 | Kirov | Miravlix - by erroring someplace that doesn't produce an error |
| 04:44.25 | Miravlix | Europa is 4 zones or so |
| 04:44.34 | Miravlix | From Rusland to Spain |
| 04:44.40 | Kirov | Like a :SetText() with a nil value. |
| 04:44.55 | Qzot | Yup. What Kirov said. |
| 04:45.01 | Iriel | My guess is you got an error and forgot you have IEF or some redirecting equivalent installed |
| 04:45.19 | Tem | that's WAY too much code in one function |
| 04:45.20 | Iriel | I grew up in the UK, we have GMT/BST |
| 04:45.26 | Wobin_ | Mira: It's a bit big for casual debugging, so I suggest you throw in some more debug statements |
| 04:45.29 | Kirov | I've seen SetText("stuff"..blah); break with out an error |
| 04:45.29 | Iriel | It doesn't flip over the same week as the US tho |
| 04:45.36 | Qzot | Tem: The reason for 'zomg'. |
| 04:45.37 | Kirov | when blah was nil |
| 04:45.47 | Miravlix | Just what my day need |
| 04:45.51 | Miravlix | an error that isn't there |
| 04:46.05 | Tem | I believe in the java "rule" of no more than 40 lines per method with very very few exceptions |
| 04:46.46 | Wobin_ | Well, you could see how far into the function it's getting, at least |
| 04:46.59 | Kirov | Miravlix - start adding prints after each major chunk of code and see where it stops |
| 04:47.00 | Miravlix | I don't care about your rules since I didn't write the code |
| 04:47.30 | Wobin_ | Hehe. I remember my Programming Systems and Design Architecture lecturer, who taught us Eiffel. Functions could be no longer than 10 lines =P |
| 04:47.47 | Iriel | Miravlix : What do you get when you /dump the function? |
| 04:47.53 | Iriel | Miravlix : Do you get a result? |
| 04:48.49 | Iriel | Miravlix : Maybe even try /dump pcall(ShardTracker_UpdateShardTracker()) |
| 04:50.05 | Wobin_ | hobbly |
| 04:50.21 | Wobin_ | It's like the headless murloc in Southshore |
| 04:50.38 | Iriel | They have hooves to kick me in the head, but once they expire, nothing |
| 04:50.58 | Wobin_ | You have a very hard head, and it keeps ruining the finish on the hooves? =) |
| 04:51.00 | Miravlix | Printing my way through it to find the section that breaks |
| 04:51.21 | Iriel | pcall should tell you the error |
| 04:54.07 | zeeg2 | did you guys see this yet |
| 04:54.08 | zeeg2 | http://www.wowguru.com/gallery/imageview.php?screenshotID=1229&typeID=3 |
| 04:54.10 | zeeg2 | i cant remember if i linked it here |
| 04:54.28 | Iriel | Is that the one without the mortgage ads? |
| 04:54.39 | Qzot | Iriel: Would something like http://wow.pastebin.com/643536 work in WoW? |
| 04:55.00 | zeeg2 | Iriel, no mortgage ads |
| 04:55.03 | zeeg2 | ya |
| 04:55.04 | zeeg2 | i did then |
| 04:55.18 | Iriel | Qzot: It should do, we have xpcall available |
| 04:55.30 | Iriel | Qzot: I'd probably output msg as well |
| 05:00.23 | Qzot | Iriel: A la http://wow.pastebin.com/643542? |
| 05:00.45 | Qzot | http://wow.pastebin.com/643542 without the ? attached... |
| 05:00.59 | Iriel | Aye |
| 05:01.02 | Iriel | The ? doesn't hurt |
| 05:01.12 | Iriel | it's a precursor to url parameters of which there are none |
| 05:01.13 | Qzot | heh. didn't want to bother to test it. |
| 05:02.44 | Iriel | You know, there's a downside to playing a relatively new undead character, I've YET to see snow |
| 05:03.05 | Qzot | Get a flakier video card. |
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| 05:05.46 | Tem | Iriel: me either :( |
| 05:08.35 | Cairenn | night all |
| 05:08.43 | Iriel | Gnight |
| 05:09.42 | Kaelten|Sleep | anight everyone. |
| 05:11.36 | Tem | what's the "binding name" for mouse button 1? |
| 05:12.04 | Iriel | BUTTON1 ? |
| 05:12.21 | Tem | aaah |
| 05:12.24 | Tem | caps counts |
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| 05:13.54 | Tem | what's the name for the mousewheel? |
| 05:13.58 | Miravlix | Yeps, the more caps, the more you get ignored |
| 05:14.28 | Iriel | bind MOUSEWHEELUP CAMERAZOOMIN |
| 05:14.30 | Iriel | bind MOUSEWHEELDOWN CAMERAZOOMOUT |
| 05:14.35 | Tem | thanks Iriel |
| 05:14.36 | Iriel | Look in your bindings-cache 8-) |
| 05:15.18 | Iriel | Frost Nova in the midst of a herd of Gazelles is great by the way |
| 05:15.25 | Iriel | If you've never tried it, you should |
| 05:17.18 | Tem | do they all freeze and die instantly? |
| 05:17.45 | Tem | Iriel: I'm boycotting the barrens on my undead so I don't think I'll get the chance |
| 05:18.14 | Tem | oh hell |
| 05:18.17 | Tem | I crashed wow |
| 05:18.20 | Iriel | Yeah, I get 6 "Your Frost Nova hits Gazelle for 22 Frost Damage" |
| 05:18.25 | Iriel | And then 6 "Gazelle dies" |
| 05:18.26 | Tem | no idea what I did either |
| 05:18.39 | Iriel | You Temmed it |
| 05:18.45 | Iriel | Temmed it real good |
| 05:18.54 | Tem | Iriel: wait until you get higher level |
| 05:19.06 | Tem | Iriel: you can go find packs of gnolls in 7s and 8s |
| 05:19.20 | Tem | that can't survive one arcane explosion |
| 05:20.07 | Tem | but, now I can't log back in |
| 05:20.07 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.24 | Tem|Food | maybe they will fix it before I get back |
| 05:20.37 | Iriel | Note to self: Never develop while login server is busted |
| 05:20.38 | Wobin_ | hehe holy nova ftw |
| 05:21.23 | Wobin_ | Undead Strat: The Rat cage. The first time I ever got over 1k dps as a priest =) |
| 05:23.04 | krka | i so wish we could get a local version of wow to develop in :/ |
| 05:24.10 | Tem|Food | I've been wishing that for a long time |
| 05:26.18 | Wobin_ | woohoo! |
| 05:26.21 | Wobin_ | Keyrings in 1.11 |
| 05:32.12 | Iriel | I hear the 41 pt rogue talent in the expansion pack will be 'Steal Keys' |
| 05:32.33 | Wobin_ | *glingleglingleglingle* |
| 05:35.57 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
| 05:36.07 | Iriel | Once stolen, the rogue receives the 'key finder' debuff for 2 hours, if anyone /whistle's inthe vicinity of the rogue, a large red hunters mark style arrow appears above them for 60 seconds |
| 05:37.56 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 05:38.23 | krka | O_ |
| 05:41.32 | Iriel | Curses, death's sweet embrace 8-( |
| 05:49.13 | Iriel | Heh, nice state transition |
| 05:49.25 | Karl|FoodComa | mmmm |
| 05:49.43 | Karl|FoodComa | zzzz |
| 05:49.46 | Karl|FoodComa | mmmm |
| 05:49.51 | Karl|FoodComa | work? what? |
| 05:49.54 | Karl|FoodComa | meh! |
| 05:50.42 | Wobin_ | Hey Miravlix: irt that code you posted, there's tooltip scanning in it to check for the cooldown on the various stones... Would GetContainerItemCooldown work better? |
| 05:51.14 | Karl|FoodComa | most likely.. |
| 05:51.24 | Karl|FoodComa | or is that current and not max |
| 05:52.46 | Karl|FoodComa | lightning shield? |
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| 05:53.32 | Karl|FoodComa | ah, shaman |
| 05:54.05 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.06 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.06 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.06 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.06 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.07 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.10 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.12 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.30 | ckknight | why not 1 or nil? |
| 05:54.35 | Miravlix | Dunno, guess I could use start to calculate the current cooldown |
| 05:54.51 | Wobin_ | ah, bugger =( |
| 05:55.03 | Wobin_ | oh |
| 05:55.09 | Wobin_ | You can actually figure it out |
| 05:55.23 | Miravlix | gettime() - start |
| 05:56.11 | Wobin_ | Need to update WoWwiki to show those arguments |
| 05:56.45 | Wobin_ | well at least for Container... |
| 05:57.13 | Iriel | What is the deal with Blood Shards? |
| 05:57.13 | Wobin_ | Used in a buf quest |
| 05:57.13 | Wobin_ | buff |
| 05:57.22 | Wobin_ | keep em for the moment |
| 05:57.26 | Wobin_ | Then head down to CampT |
| 05:57.37 | Iriel | Are they new? |
| 05:57.54 | Iriel | Or new-ish? |
| 05:58.06 | Miravlix | Been there since US Beta |
| 05:58.07 | Iriel | Or is it just that I've not been horde for a VERY long time? |
| 05:58.12 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 05:58.24 | Wobin_ | Since as long as I've known =) |
| 05:58.28 | Iriel | which beta phase? |
| 05:59.22 | Iriel | Before or after the current tradeskill model? |
| 05:59.49 | Iriel | (I played horde during a couple of beta phases, but dont remember the shards, but that doesn't mean too much) |
| 06:00.02 | Wobin_ | ...10$ for a pound of salmon? |
| 06:06.32 | Miravlix | Well, new ST in Cosmos Alpha, I hope it works better with 1.10 |
| 06:08.11 | Miravlix | I think it has FPS impact in the non Chronos version though |
| 06:09.45 | Miravlix | And I can't be bothered to test a version without Chronos, so maybe I should just make it a required dep |
| 06:10.39 | Miravlix | Hopefully it wont be forever before Chronos comes in an embeded version |
| 06:10.44 | Wobin_ | argh |
| 06:10.52 | Wobin_ | server downtime extended to 1pm |
| 06:11.14 | Iriel | PM!? |
| 06:11.15 | Wobin_ | muttermutter |
| 06:11.19 | Wobin_ | er am |
| 06:11.22 | Wobin_ | sorry, my bad =) |
| 06:11.36 | Wobin_ | I got confused with the PDT |
| 06:13.45 | Iriel | suckage tho |
| 06:14.19 | Wobin_ | totally =( |
| 06:14.36 | Iriel | i'm terrified of being disconnected now |
| 06:15.27 | Iriel | However this might be an excellent opportunity to make a run for the ashenvale flight path |
| 06:16.07 | Kirov | On my server people are getting disconnected if they try to take the flight path out of theramore |
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| 06:16.40 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:16.46 | Iriel | lo |
| 06:16.54 | Wobin_ | lo loup |
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| 06:35.12 | Miravlix | Strange, X-chat is somehow making an old still picture from WoW popup over the client instead of the current picture when I tab out of wow |
| 06:35.53 | Miravlix | I was on my mage a while ago, so the bottom half of the picture shows him, while the top is 'live' with my hunter flying |
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| 06:55.55 | Iriel | Ok, sleep time for me |
| 06:56.01 | Wobin_ | Is it 1am yet? =) |
| 07:00.40 | Miravlix | Trying to debug FPS cost issues is hell |
| 07:03.55 | krka|work | well, you can time how slow different pieces of code is |
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| 08:06.21 | Wobin_ | feh |
| 08:06.24 | Wobin_ | so much for 1am |
| 08:06.31 | ckknight | feh? |
| 08:06.53 | Wobin_ | inability to connect to WoW |
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| 09:34.13 | Tem | Iriel: you still around? |
| 09:34.45 | Tem | didn't think so |
| 09:34.49 | s|loup | [08:55:54] <Iriel> Ok, sleep time for me |
| 09:35.37 | Tem | aha |
| 09:35.41 | Tem | ~seen iriel |
| 09:35.47 | purl | iriel <n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 2h 39m 52s ago, saying: 'Ok, sleep time for me'. |
| 09:36.16 | Tem | s|loup: you're in GMT + 1 time? |
| 09:36.25 | s|loup | yes ;) |
| 09:36.37 | Tem | what's that, Germany? |
| 09:36.41 | s|loup | yes |
| 09:37.02 | Tem | s/ls/sl/ |
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| 09:49.32 | Miravlix | InCombat = ( UnitAffectingCombat("player") or UnitAffectingCombat("pet") or |
| 09:49.32 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.21 | Miravlix | Interesting way to write if UnitX("player") or UnitX("pet") or partyInCombat ) |
| 09:50.55 | Miravlix | InCombat = 1 else InCombat = nil end |
| 09:51.31 | Miravlix | Guess thats as close as I get to ? : :) |
| 09:52.10 | Miravlix | Interesting enough ( something or something or something ) returns nil or 1 |
| 09:52.18 | Miravlix | Not true/false |
| 09:52.25 | Wobin_ | oh you mean x<y?a:b |
| 09:52.29 | Wobin_ | structure? |
| 09:52.52 | Wobin_ | You can mimick that in Lua |
| 09:53.02 | Wobin_ | a < b and a or b |
| 09:53.18 | Wobin_ | for a Min() function |
| 09:55.28 | Miravlix | Bi |
| 09:55.30 | Wobin_ | And I thought the first function you pasted was more of a "Is this player in combat at all"? |
| 09:55.36 | Miravlix | s/Bi/No/ |
| 09:56.33 | Miravlix | I just meant it was an easier way to do and if something then var = 1 else var = nil end |
| 09:57.08 | Miravlix | Oh nice |
| 09:57.20 | Miravlix | ( true or false ) == true |
| 09:57.30 | Miravlix | ( 1 or nil ) == 1 |
| 09:57.32 | Wobin_ | well... yes =) |
| 09:57.41 | Wobin_ | since nil is false |
| 09:57.50 | Miravlix | No |
| 09:57.57 | Miravlix | ( nil or nil ) == nil |
| 09:58.04 | Miravlix | ( false or false ) = false |
| 09:58.17 | Wobin_ | nil can evaluate to false |
| 09:58.26 | Miravlix | How? |
| 09:58.40 | Miravlix | ( nil ) ~= false |
| 09:59.20 | Miravlix | You can't evaluate nil to false, you can evaluate nil to nil |
| 09:59.30 | Miravlix | Nil and false works the same in an if |
| 09:59.35 | Miravlix | but nil isn't false |
| 09:59.37 | Wobin_ | > local bing |
| 09:59.38 | Wobin_ | > if(bing) then print("frog") else print("cat") end |
| 09:59.38 | Wobin_ | cat |
| 09:59.54 | Miravlix | Thats not the same as nil == false |
| 10:00.00 | Wobin_ | No, true. |
| 10:00.09 | Wobin_ | But it's evaluating the same as if(false) then |
| 10:00.13 | Miravlix | ( nil == false ) == false |
| 10:00.21 | Wobin_ | er if(not false) |
| 10:00.31 | krka|work | nil and false are both "false" in some sense |
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| 10:00.39 | Miravlix | and ( false == nil ) == false |
| 10:00.40 | Wobin_ | That's what I'm trying to say =) |
| 10:01.19 | Miravlix | No they aren't both false. :) |
| 10:01.19 | Miravlix | They are both condition for failing an if check |
| 10:01.19 | Wobin_ | okay |
| 10:01.21 | Wobin_ | how about: Both nil and false are not true |
| 10:01.36 | Miravlix | ( something or something or something or true ) |
| 10:01.38 | Maldivia | well, that's not correct either :) |
| 10:01.48 | Wobin_ | So nil is true? |
| 10:02.05 | Maldivia | no, but nil is not not true |
| 10:02.13 | Wobin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.15 | krka|work | here's what i mean: both nil and false evaluate to false in if conditions |
| 10:02.25 | Wobin_ | Argh |
| 10:02.27 | Wobin_ | Semantics |
| 10:02.35 | krka|work | everything else evaluates to true in if condition |
| 10:02.58 | Wobin_ | nil and false both react in predictable ways in Lua Logic. =P |
| 10:02.58 | Miravlix | Hmm, ( 1 and nil and true ) == nil |
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| 10:03.14 | Wobin_ | Because nil ... oh never mind =P |
| 10:03.40 | Miravlix | (false or true and 1) == 1 |
| 10:04.06 | Miravlix | Can't find the logic here |
| 10:04.06 | krka|work | (x or y) returns the first value that is "true" |
| 10:04.20 | Miravlix | when does it convert it to true/false and when it converts it to 1 and nil |
| 10:04.21 | krka|work | (x and y) returns y if x is "true" |
| 10:04.29 | krka|work | it doesn't convert anything |
| 10:04.41 | Miravlix | Yes it does |
| 10:04.41 | krka|work | it just chooses what to return |
| 10:04.42 | Maldivia | krka: or if none are true, ot returns that last expression |
| 10:04.56 | krka|work | yeah sorry |
| 10:04.59 | krka|work | ok, redefinitions: |
| 10:05.16 | Miravlix | Aah it returns the last evaluation in a and |
| 10:05.34 | krka|work | (x or y) returns x if y is "false" and otherwise y |
| 10:05.44 | krka|work | oopse, |
| 10:05.46 | krka|work | that's and |
| 10:05.57 | krka|work | (x or y) returns x if x is "true" and otherwise y |
| 10:06.20 | Maldivia | x or y or z - returns the first var thats true, otherwise returns last var |
| 10:06.36 | krka|work | yes, that's another way or writing it |
| 10:06.47 | krka|work | since (x or y or z) == ((x or y) or z) |
| 10:07.31 | Maldivia | if x then return x elseif y then return y else return z end |
| 10:08.17 | Miravlix | if ( 1 ) == true then |
| 10:09.02 | Miravlix | I'm used to if ( 1 ) gets evaluated to true |
| 10:09.05 | Miravlix | bit confusing this |
| 10:09.06 | krka|work | 1 is never equal to true |
| 10:09.23 | Maldivia | 1 == true => false |
| 10:09.34 | krka|work | yes, luas if-statements are confusing that way |
| 10:09.47 | Maldivia | not at all |
| 10:09.50 | krka|work | wish they hadn't included true/false |
| 10:10.04 | krka|work | nil for only false, and everything else for true |
| 10:10.31 | Miravlix | I wish they had done true false propperly |
| 10:10.35 | Maldivia | a lot of languages have true/false |
| 10:10.38 | Maldivia | and null/nil |
| 10:10.38 | krka|work | alternatively, only allowed pure true/false in ifs |
| 10:10.55 | Maldivia | although, in mst modern languages, nil doesn't evaluate to false :] |
| 10:10.56 | krka|work | so you'd have to write "if a ~= nil" or something like that |
| 10:11.10 | Miravlix | if not a |
| 10:11.13 | Corrodias | hmmm.... anybody in the market for a geforce 7800GT? |
| 10:11.25 | krka|work | no, not would not be allowed to operatate on non-booleans |
| 10:11.30 | Miravlix | Naah, buying a GTX |
| 10:11.42 | Wobin_ | If it'll fit in my laptop =P |
| 10:11.50 | Wobin_ | (I wish =P) |
| 10:12.51 | Corrodias | if only they had a PCI-E cable that would come out the side of the laptop |
| 10:13.15 | Corrodias | you could attach it to the side of a video card. maybe even have a little plastic case to put it in. ._. |
| 10:13.21 | Miravlix | Freeform or/and is debil! |
| 10:13.42 | Miravlix | var = ( "I wish" or true ) |
| 10:13.56 | Wobin_ | Corrodias: hehe that would make cooling it a lot easier too |
| 10:14.08 | Wobin_ | And I probably would try that if it would let me play Oblivion =) |
| 10:15.50 | Maldivia | hmm, forums login servers down ? |
| 10:16.14 | Corrodias | haha |
| 10:17.10 | Wobin_ | Maldivia: the authentication has been down for about 8 hours now |
| 10:17.14 | Maldivia | Ok |
| 10:17.37 | Maldivia | guess I'll have to actually do some work today then, instead of just posting on the forums :| |
| 10:17.59 | Wobin_ | Bugger =) |
| 10:23.09 | Corrodias | working is balls. |
| 10:23.45 | Corrodias | ah.. i have my eye on that new 7900GTX. it looks so nice. |
| 10:35.28 | Wobin_ | omg |
| 10:35.29 | Wobin_ | connected |
| 10:41.24 | Miravlix | What the current embeded design technoligy? |
| 10:49.00 | Corrodias | are you talking to me? |
| 11:00.20 | Miravlix | Talking to the channel in general |
| 11:01.21 | Wobin_ | if you're after Iriel's idea hae a look here: http://www.iriel.org/wow/addondev/index.html |
| 11:02.43 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/643813 |
| 11:04.25 | Miravlix | Pfft thats freaking complicated |
| 11:04.46 | Miravlix | Sometimes Iriel writes code to be cool not to be practical. :p |
| 11:06.19 | [MoonWolf] | more then sometimes. |
| 11:06.28 | s|loup | if ( MicroMacroMaker.Hunter ) then |
| 11:06.32 | Miravlix | I do the same in 24 lines and SVN handle the versioning |
| 11:07.04 | s|loup | add an and part to this if would be better i think |
| 11:07.35 | Miravlix | I'm checking if MMM.Hunter is nil |
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| 11:08.04 | Miravlix | If it's not nil I check if my version is higher than the existing version |
| 11:08.37 | Miravlix | If your worried about MMM then thats handled elsewhere |
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| 11:08.55 | s|loup | if ( MicroMacroMaker.Hunter ) and MicroMacroMaker.Hunter.revision >= mmm_hunter_revision then loadThisEmbeddedInstance = false; else loadThisEmbeddedInstance = true; MicroMacroMaker.Hunter = nil; end |
| 11:09.31 | Miravlix | I have to be Bigger |
| 11:09.41 | Miravlix | no reason to replace identical versions |
| 11:11.58 | Maldivia | why put it all in one line ? |
| 11:12.43 | Miravlix | Codeing effeicency? |
| 11:14.00 | Maldivia | I'd take readability over effecientcy, in a place like this, where the code will only be run once :) |
| 11:14.21 | Cide | I don't see the performance hit of splitting it up into separate lines, either :) |
| 11:14.59 | krka|work | one line makes it more efficient? O_o |
| 11:15.10 | Cide | no |
| 11:15.18 | Maldivia | but if you really want to optimize it, you init the load variable to true, and negate it in your check, by reversing the check, then you don't have to have the 2 elses |
| 11:15.25 | Miravlix | His version removes several lines and an if |
| 11:15.59 | Cide | ya, but maldivia asked why it was all put on one line, and you replied "codeing effeicency" :) |
| 11:16.06 | krka|work | yeah, stuff that's only run once doesn't need to be 0.1 ms faster :) |
| 11:16.14 | Miravlix | I don't understand |
| 11:16.27 | Miravlix | It isn't run once |
| 11:16.42 | Miravlix | It's run for every addon that has it embedded |
| 11:16.50 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 11:17.09 | krka|work | ok... so 50 times at most, still it's a very small constant |
| 11:17.25 | AnduinLothar | boss was informed I was using port forwarding to punch holes int he router and told me to cut it out |
| 11:17.35 | AnduinLothar | firewall* |
| 11:17.50 | Miravlix | So you dismantled the firewall? |
| 11:18.07 | AnduinLothar | no, i mearly tunneled through open ports |
| 11:18.15 | AnduinLothar | using ssh to my home computer |
| 11:18.23 | Maldivia | hehe, same :9 |
| 11:18.25 | Miravlix | firewall cut out firewall |
| 11:18.27 | AnduinLothar | i was only using it for irc |
| 11:18.33 | Maldivia | or well, not my home computer I'm tunneling through :9 |
| 11:19.39 | AnduinLothar | he claimed tunneling was a liability and could be used for devious purposes... which it can. |
| 11:20.21 | Maldivia | Miravlix: and if you really wanted the check to be more effecient, you would have revision stored as a number, so you did a simple number comparison instead of a string comparison |
| 11:20.26 | AnduinLothar | but i wasn't really being very devious. if they openned 6667 i could irc and they could monitor my plaintext packets rather than stressing out over my encrypted ssh |
| 11:20.32 | Miravlix | Go away okay |
| 11:20.42 | Maldivia | :) |
| 11:20.51 | Miravlix | s|loup, made another version of my code |
| 11:21.02 | Miravlix | Go mess with him |
| 11:21.21 | Cide | I'd take that attitude to another channel, please |
| 11:21.24 | Cide | he's trying to help |
| 11:21.41 | Miravlix | Yes, but you two aren't helping |
| 11:22.00 | Cide | he gave you a great way to make your code efficient |
| 11:22.04 | Cide | how is that not helping? |
| 11:22.05 | Miravlix | Attacking me because he suggest a 1 if solution is a bit over the top |
| 11:22.10 | AnduinLothar | mira, stop arguing, you're reminding me of zeeg |
| 11:22.49 | AnduinLothar | can't we all just get along? |
| 11:22.50 | Miravlix | wtf, have I done because he suggested a change and I looked at it favorably? |
| 11:22.51 | krka|work | not as a bad as saien though :P |
| 11:23.25 | Miravlix | Then I have to spend a month defending making 2 if's into 1? |
| 11:23.34 | AnduinLothar | you know, zeeg defends himself the same way.. |
| 11:23.36 | s|loup | oO i just made a way to compress it |
| 11:23.56 | Cide | then state that, take that "go away" crap away |
| 11:23.57 | Miravlix | s|loup, Yeps, was considering using it. |
| 11:24.02 | s|loup | no cause to make trouble for it ^^ |
| 11:24.41 | Miravlix | It's the other 3 going nuts over removing 1 if that I have a problem with |
| 11:25.13 | s|loup | i also dont know if a statement with < is more efficient as >= |
| 11:25.16 | Cide | who would you count as the other 3 "going nuts"? |
| 11:25.21 | AnduinLothar | that's ok, cide here wont remove or add anything i ask either |
| 11:25.26 | Cide | there is no difference, s|loup |
| 11:25.35 | Cide | correct, but I don't tell you to go away :) |
| 11:25.49 | AnduinLothar | everyones a lil protective of their code |
| 11:26.32 | Cide | not really the same thing |
| 11:26.48 | Cide | we discussed what you asked and didn't want to do it, but I'm not doing it because I'm protective of the code itself |
| 11:26.56 | Cide | but still, Miravlix, please take that attitude out of here |
| 11:26.59 | Miravlix | It's very simple: I wrote http://wow.pastebin.com/643813 and I posted it here to take suggestions, but then I had to defend someone elses suggestion |
| 11:27.23 | Miravlix | Thats not appropiate |
| 11:27.39 | Miravlix | If you have an issue with s|loup suggestion take it up with him, I sure don't |
| 11:27.49 | Cide | whatever. |
| 11:28.16 | AnduinLothar | ya pretty much |
| 11:28.34 | AnduinLothar | not worth arguing mira. just give up |
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| 11:29.13 | s|loup | [13:11:41] <Maldivia> why put it all in one line ? <-- sometimes ist more readable in less code but only sometimes |
| 11:30.06 | Maldivia | s|loup: exactly, if you read what I wrote a few lines further down, you'll see that I though it was less readable |
| 11:30.39 | s|loup | in miras code you do one thing two times so why not to compress them? |
| 11:30.51 | s|loup | it not them |
| 11:31.14 | Maldivia | s|loup: well, I suggested to reverse the logic instead, removing the two elses, but still having the readability of the two if's |
| 11:31.36 | Maldivia | s|loup: hence removing the redundancy |
| 11:32.26 | Miravlix | Well, there isn't any reduancy, there is val = nil, checkval = true. Then checkval = false. and checkval = true. |
| 11:32.39 | Miravlix | But a val = nil done twice isn't the end of the world |
| 11:32.47 | Miravlix | err |
| 11:32.54 | Miravlix | Done when it's not needed that is. |
| 11:33.14 | Maldivia | yeah ok, I was going by the assumption that the val you set to nil, would be assigned later, since that seemed to be the point with the check |
| 11:33.30 | Miravlix | But what does if nil < 8347 then evaluate to? |
| 11:33.48 | Maldivia | nil exception |
| 11:34.10 | Miravlix | Think I should fix that part then. :p |
| 11:34.59 | Maldivia | "attempt to compare nil with number" |
| 11:35.03 | Maldivia | that the error you'll get |
| 11:36.47 | s|loup | [13:32:39] <Miravlix> But a val = nil done twice isn't the end of the world <-- but for me i have more potentials to look at so its less concise than an one line statment, but ist just my oninion |
| 11:37.24 | Miravlix | The code should never define Hunter unless it sets .revision |
| 11:38.00 | Maldivia | Miravlix: am I right in my assumption, than inf the if load then section, you assign MicroMacroMaker.Hunter a value ? |
| 11:38.22 | Miravlix | if loadThisEmbeddedInstance then |
| 11:38.22 | Miravlix | MicroMacroMaker.Hunter = {} |
| 11:38.22 | Miravlix | MicroMacroMaker.Hunter.revision = mmm_hunter_revision |
| 11:38.51 | Maldivia | then the MicroMacroMaker.Hunter = nil statement isn't irrelevent |
| 11:38.58 | Maldivia | s/isn't/is/ |
| 11:39.25 | Miravlix | Yeah, I'm thinking setting it to nil because I want it to be GC'ed |
| 11:39.51 | Miravlix | But assigning a new value to Hunter does the same |
| 11:39.56 | Maldivia | exactly |
| 11:43.02 | Miravlix | Wow, this conversation has taken 39 minutes so far. :p |
| 11:43.51 | Maldivia | it's IRC... what did you expect |
| 11:46.40 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/643864 |
| 11:47.50 | Maldivia | drop the else, and init you var to true ? |
| 11:48.27 | Maldivia | or well, guess that's a matter of code style / preference :) |
| 11:49.09 | Miravlix | What about local loadThisEmbeddedInstrance = ( MicroMacroMaker.Hunter and MMM:Hunter.revision >= mmm_hunter_revision ) |
| 11:49.22 | Miravlix | Remove the ifs entirely and use 1 and nil |
| 11:49.47 | Maldivia | that could work aswell :9 |
| 11:49.50 | Miravlix | And it's MMM.Hunter |
| 11:50.14 | Maldivia | although, you'd want to have a not infront of it :) |
| 11:50.15 | s|loup | yaeh this would be shortest way |
| 11:50.24 | wereHamster | Miravlix, lua is case sensitive.. revision - Revision |
| 11:51.25 | Miravlix | Oh it evaluate to true and false due to the last being a >= check |
| 11:52.04 | Miravlix | wereHamster, Yes? |
| 11:52.20 | Miravlix | Oh, I lowercased revision |
| 11:54.10 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/643877 |
| 11:54.23 | Miravlix | It works, but is that good code. |
| 11:55.08 | Miravlix | Hmm, or did I invert the logic |
| 11:55.09 | Maldivia | local loadThisEmbeddedInstance = not ( MicroMacroMaker.Hunter and MicroMacroMaker.Hunter.revision >= mmm_hunter_revision ) |
| 11:55.28 | wereHamster | mmm_hunter_revision is a string, can you compare strings with >= ? amd does it make sense? |
| 11:55.45 | Maldivia | you can compare strings that way, yes |
| 11:55.47 | Miravlix | strtonumber will solve that |
| 11:55.58 | Miravlix | Unless it's build in |
| 11:56.13 | wereHamster | I've always used tonumber() |
| 11:56.41 | Maldivia | str1 > str2 is the same as comparing the ascii value of the first char that differs in the string |
| 11:57.06 | wereHamster | Maldivia, and is that what you want? |
| 11:57.21 | Miravlix | "1" <= "2" |
| 11:57.33 | Maldivia | well, if you have "Rev 152" > "Rev 162" <-- then 5 and 6 is compared |
| 11:57.54 | Maldivia | and numbers are listed from 0-9 in ascii |
| 11:57.58 | Maldivia | so will work |
| 11:58.01 | Miravlix | Since I just use 1++ numbers it can't go wrong |
| 11:58.08 | s|loup | the question is what needs more time ;) |
| 11:58.18 | krka|work | uhm... don't use string for revision |
| 11:58.20 | krka|work | use number compare |
| 11:58.20 | Miravlix | But it is an interesting side effect |
| 11:58.27 | Maldivia | Miravlix: it will go wrong, the day you go from Rev 999 to Rev 1000 |
| 11:58.30 | krka|work | "1000" < "200" |
| 11:58.36 | wereHamster | what if your revision number will grow beyond 1000 ? |
| 11:58.48 | krka|work | what Maldivia and wereHamster said |
| 11:58.49 | wereHamster | too late :-P |
| 11:58.56 | Miravlix | I'm used to Perl that converts variables |
| 11:59.09 | krka|work | lua does that too, when it needs to |
| 11:59.36 | Miravlix | But it doesn't need to convert two strings |
| 11:59.44 | Maldivia | and now were're back to the calim I made ealier, about comparing the revisions numerically (although, that was an effeciency optimisation at the time it was mentioned) |
| 11:59.49 | Miravlix | So it just char compare, so we need numbers |
| 11:59.56 | Maldivia | claim* |
| 12:00.17 | krka|work | just subtract 0 from both strings before compare |
| 12:00.20 | krka|work | or use tonumber |
| 12:00.25 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/643883 |
| 12:00.53 | krka|work | what is MicroMacroHunter is nil at beginning? |
| 12:00.54 | Maldivia | should work |
| 12:00.56 | krka|work | can that happen? |
| 12:01.14 | Miravlix | The MicroMacroMaker table can't be nil |
| 12:01.16 | krka|work | s/is/if/ |
| 12:01.19 | Maldivia | Miravlix: you still need to negate your expression with a nil |
| 12:01.27 | Maldivia | with a "not", that is |
| 12:01.32 | Miravlix | Oh yeah got sidetracked |
| 12:01.45 | Miravlix | can't decide if I want to change the variable |
| 12:01.48 | krka|work | probably more efficient to put the not in the if, but who cares :) |
| 12:01.56 | Miravlix | variable name and do if not shouldReplace |
| 12:02.08 | Miravlix | or do load = not |
| 12:02.50 | Maldivia | krka: but if you did if not load then, then the name of the variable would be misleading :) |
| 12:03.12 | krka|work | true |
| 12:04.05 | Miravlix | if not isBetter then |
| 12:04.23 | Miravlix | I seem to have run out of inteligent variable names |
| 12:05.10 | Wobin_ | Frog |
| 12:05.12 | Wobin_ | and Womble |
| 12:05.21 | Wobin_ | Oh wait. intelligent ones |
| 12:05.23 | Wobin_ | nm |
| 12:07.25 | krka|work | heh |
| 12:08.35 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/643892 |
| 12:09.01 | Miravlix | That must be perfection. |
| 12:11.33 | krka|work | i'd extract the revision number with a pattern to be safer |
| 12:11.36 | Miravlix | I like when you can read the code and it make some sense in english |
| 12:12.00 | krka|work | error btw |
| 12:12.04 | krka|work | IsBetter... vs isBetter |
| 12:12.14 | Miravlix | Ugh, I always do those |
| 12:12.39 | Miravlix | But then I'm using 3 different local variables standards |
| 12:15.22 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/643898 |
| 12:15.30 | Miravlix | There a standard naming policy for all variables |
| 12:15.36 | Miravlix | Uppercase for constants |
| 12:15.48 | Miravlix | lowercase (beginning) for locals |
| 12:15.56 | Miravlix | Uppercase beginning for globals |
| 12:17.33 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/643900 err, now it use those rules I just posted. |
| 12:18.39 | Miravlix | Forgot to uppercase .Hunter.Revision |
| 12:25.15 | Miravlix | -- Copyright 2005 original author. Copyright is expressly not transferred to Blizzard. |
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| 12:55.47 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 13:12.26 | Miravlix | Hey JB |
| 13:52.06 | JoshBorke | can anyone tell me what mod this is? http://www.zerokinesis.com/files/minimap.jpg |
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| 14:06.27 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, GroupCalendar |
| 14:07.02 | wereHamster | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2718 |
| 14:07.13 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: sehr danke |
| 14:07.44 | JoshBorke | that's what i was thinking, but didn't see a picture of the minimap icon :-D |
| 14:08.13 | s|loup | the other way around ;) 'danke sehr' |
| 14:08.20 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 14:08.32 | JoshBorke | it's been a long time since my last german class :-) |
| 14:09.10 | s|loup | so np i think he knows the intention :D |
| 14:10.48 | JoshBorke | i guess it does make more sense as danke sehr though... |
| 14:13.28 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, vielen dank ... |
| 14:20.56 | JoshBorke | ah ha! so, i could say 'vielen dank' or 'danke sehr'? but should it always be 'sehr gut'? |
| 14:21.59 | krka|work | yes |
| 14:22.07 | krka|work | could also say danke schön |
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| 14:38.10 | JoshBorke | morning Shouryuu_ Legorol^ Elkano |
| 14:38.22 | Shouryuu_ | hello |
| 14:38.34 | Elkano | ho :) |
| 14:39.01 | Shouryuu_ | I just found out how much god hates me |
| 14:39.54 | krka|work | how much? |
| 14:39.54 | Elkano | well, you can speak frensh ;) |
| 14:40.13 | Shouryuu_ | Too much |
| 14:40.17 | Wobin_ | That's a good sign |
| 14:40.26 | Shouryuu_ | I just sprained my ankle =( |
| 14:40.30 | Wobin_ | Ow =( |
| 14:40.40 | Wobin_ | You sure it was God though? =) |
| 14:40.48 | Shouryuu_ | hehe |
| 14:41.17 | Shouryuu_ | lol |
| 14:41.54 | Shouryuu_ | I am so tired |
| 14:42.14 | Wobin_ | I want to skip class again tomorrow |
| 14:42.18 | Wobin_ | I'm so unmotivated =P |
| 14:42.37 | Shouryuu_ | I am *going |
| 14:42.45 | Shouryuu_ | to skip school |
| 14:43.21 | Osagasu | I am tempted to |
| 14:43.25 | Shouryuu_ | I have better things to do than run around the metro with my limping ass |
| 14:43.30 | Osagasu | I have a programming project due tomorrow |
| 14:43.35 | Cafeine__ | Shouryuu_ : lazy frenchy :) |
| 14:43.40 | Shouryuu_ | lol |
| 14:43.48 | Wobin_ | That's a redundant statement =) |
| 14:43.54 | Cafeine__ | I can make it |
| 14:43.54 | Shouryuu_ | hehe |
| 14:43.58 | Cafeine__ | <--- frenchy too |
| 14:44.01 | Wobin_ | "But I am le tired!" |
| 14:44.17 | Shouryuu_ | I am le hurt |
| 14:44.29 | Wobin_ | That's true, Shou. Milk it for all it's worth =) |
| 14:44.33 | Cafeine__ | Shouryuu_ : ok the feature is bumped to next month. Something came up, need to make room for another feature :(( |
| 14:44.36 | Osagasu | <---french canadian / southern american. I have the best and worst of both worlds |
| 14:44.50 | Cafeine__ | Osagasu : the question is : what part did you keep ? ;) |
| 14:44.52 | Wobin_ | The french bit and the american bit? |
| 14:45.18 | Shouryuu_ | Cafeine: =( The important part I guess is that it comes out |
| 14:45.24 | Cafeine__ | indeed |
| 14:45.32 | Osagasu | Well I have no choice but to keep my french part. its my namesake |
| 14:45.39 | Cafeine__ | I feature is ready, I'll just make "upgrades" to it ;) |
| 14:45.47 | Shouryuu|Movie | Humm IRC is acting weird |
| 14:45.55 | Cafeine__ | and I'll change stuff like spell alert |
| 14:46.05 | Cafeine__ | by new gems I discovered too late |
| 14:46.11 | Cafeine__ | like enemycast ;) |
| 14:46.19 | Shouryuu|Movie | Oh and Wobin, In france Homer says something like Th'do |
| 14:46.25 | zenzio | why do level 1 warriors in Elwynn with names without vowels keep inviting me to their groups... |
| 14:46.31 | Shouryuu|Movie | lol |
| 14:46.37 | Shouryuu|Movie | ni hao? |
| 14:46.39 | Cafeine__ | zenzio : advertisement of gold selling |
| 14:46.57 | sharkhat | lol Shouryuu|Movie |
| 14:46.58 | Cafeine__ | they invite you, they spam, the delete the char |
| 14:47.01 | zenzio | they can't just use /tell anymor? |
| 14:47.06 | Shouryuu|Movie | hehe |
| 14:47.06 | Cafeine__ | they |
| 14:47.11 | Cafeine__ | no idea |
| 14:47.18 | sharkhat | new tactic |
| 14:47.20 | Osagasu | they invite en masse |
| 14:47.25 | Cafeine__ | yeah |
| 14:47.28 | Osagasu | and spam a single long message |
| 14:47.32 | Cafeine__ | got fooled. One time :) |
| 14:47.35 | Osagasu | to avoid D/C for spamming |
| 14:47.41 | zenzio | on US-Arthas I either got /tells (most of the time) or sometimes in-game mail |
| 14:47.52 | Osagasu | I never get in game mail |
| 14:48.09 | Cafeine__ | you don't have even fake friends in MMO |
| 14:48.13 | Cafeine__ | how sad |
| 14:48.13 | Cafeine__ | :p |
| 14:48.38 | Osagasu | Well, we find it useless, cause most of us are on the east coast and keep the same schedule |
| 14:48.58 | Cafeine__ | I use it a lot between alts and alts of the guild |
| 14:48.59 | Osagasu | school/work in the morning, homework/playtime in the afternoon |
| 14:49.15 | Osagasu | well, its useless for relaying messages |
| 14:49.17 | zenzio | I get lots of in-game mail, but it's all from this Auction House guy :| |
| 14:49.19 | Cafeine__ | indeed |
| 14:49.26 | Osagasu | I think I've used it twice, but it was part of a storyline |
| 14:49.44 | Osagasu | <---RP server dork |
| 15:02.31 | Wobin_ | Does anyone know what the CGFs farm for in Maraudon? |
| 15:03.48 | s|loup | wow CGF what a shortcut ^^ |
| 15:06.27 | Wobin_ | how do you mean? =) |
| 15:07.56 | s|loup | why are they always chinese? maybe there are also some from other lands? ;) |
| 15:08.36 | Wobin_ | Well there are, the chinese are just the most well known |
| 15:08.48 | Wobin_ | The others speak better english, so aren't so noticable |
| 15:09.40 | s|loup | hm as i can say if i will let my mum play her english will be more bad :D |
| 15:10.15 | Wobin_ | wouldn't you be playing on the EU servers? |
| 15:10.30 | s|loup | yes of course ;) |
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| 15:14.58 | Tain | Black and White 2: Electric Boogaloo |
| 15:15.44 | Wobin_ | Nah, Electric Bugaloo |
| 15:15.53 | Wobin_ | You get giant robotic insects |
| 15:17.27 | Tain | I think that's part of Spore, actually. |
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| 15:43.09 | Osagasu | spore is a maxis game |
| 15:43.09 | Osagasu | :P |
| 15:43.57 | Osagasu | off on a slight tangent... EA owns Maxis, but Maxis pwns EA. :> |
| 15:44.16 | Shouryuu|Movie | Sim tower FTW! |
| 15:44.50 | zenzio | Spore sounds like some sort of gardening game |
| 15:44.54 | Osagasu | Oblivion > TS2 > WoW > all. xD |
| 15:45.32 | Osagasu | in a surreal kinda distantly related way, it is |
| 15:45.53 | zenzio | I just mean by name, I haven't bothered reading about the game |
| 15:46.05 | Osagasu | you "raise" a spore through the eons, cultivating it to be the dominant creature on the planet |
| 15:46.59 | Osagasu | its quite an ambitious project. If it works, it could change the face of A-Life simulations... not to mention popularize it |
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| 16:03.47 | kremonte | hm, are the boats on a global timer? ie the same on all servers |
| 16:03.54 | kremonte | and zeppelins, for that matter |
| 16:03.57 | Elkano | damn, it seems like the whole WoW cluster (servers, login, webpage, ...) just went dwon for me :/ |
| 16:04.10 | kremonte | Elkano: ouch, EU i'm guessing? |
| 16:04.16 | Elkano | yes |
| 16:04.28 | zenzio | I'm still playing |
| 16:04.29 | kremonte | ah, i feel your pain |
| 16:04.51 | Elkano | well, could be provider/routing related :/ |
| 16:05.48 | Tain | I would love an Elder Scrolls multiplayer online game. |
| 16:06.12 | Miravlix | Unlesss you get stuck in game with bad lag for 2-3 hours until they reboot the servers, it's prolly routing |
| 16:06.17 | Tain | Even if it were Diablo type multiplayer, doesn't have to be a mmorpg. |
| 16:06.25 | Tain | Actually, I'd prefer it not be an mmorpg. |
| 16:06.49 | Elkano | ok, page seems to be working again, I'll retry the login/servers |
| 16:07.32 | Osagasu | Tain, nonononono |
| 16:07.44 | Osagasu | If you want to play Elder Scrolls Multiplayer, convert it to PnP |
| 16:08.07 | Osagasu | The world was originally part of a in-office DnD game anyways |
| 16:08.10 | sharkhat | what what what? |
| 16:08.19 | sharkhat | elderscrols plays multiplayer on pc? |
| 16:08.24 | Osagasu | no, it doesn't |
| 16:08.27 | sharkhat | o |
| 16:08.31 | Osagasu | I'm hoping elder scrolls never does |
| 16:08.32 | sharkhat | yea my buddy and i were talking about it |
| 16:08.44 | sharkhat | i would think they could do it on a closed lan, like diablo did... |
| 16:08.47 | Osagasu | I think its funny |
| 16:09.05 | sharkhat | clone your char and then your multiplayer version could work |
| 16:09.06 | Osagasu | XB users paid $10 more for their inability to mod content |
| 16:09.24 | Osagasu | lovin it! |
| 16:09.33 | sharkhat | Osagasu, and for it to be on media that will scratch and no longer work.. |
| 16:09.59 | Tain | That's exactly what I"d want, sharkhat. |
| 16:10.08 | Tain | Multiplayer like Diablo. |
| 16:10.15 | sharkhat | Tain, exactly |
| 16:10.21 | Osagasu | I gotta go, gonna be late for class |
| 16:10.24 | Osagasu | ciao |
| 16:10.34 | sharkhat | then atleast you can show off to your buddies who plan during lan games |
| 16:10.34 | Tain | That way people can still play their solo games fine, and show off their bad selves to friends at the same time. |
| 16:10.42 | sharkhat | have lan games oblivian.. sweee |
| 16:10.49 | sharkhat | lol |
| 16:11.04 | sharkhat | riiiiiight |
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| 16:23.55 | JoshBorke | morning Cairenn |
| 16:23.59 | JoshBorke | or should i say afternoon? |
| 16:24.00 | Cairenn | morning |
| 16:24.12 | Cairenn | well, technically, I suppose it is, but meh |
| 16:24.18 | Devla | hai!! |
| 16:24.27 | ckknight | hey Cairenn |
| 16:24.31 | Cairenn | hey hey Devla! |
| 16:24.36 | Cairenn | ltns, how goes? |
| 16:24.40 | Cairenn | hey ckknight :) |
| 16:24.50 | Devla | it goes |
| 16:24.55 | Devla | working on FonTabulous |
| 16:25.10 | Cairenn | cool |
| 16:25.36 | Devla | will have an ingame menu and possibly a preview frame |
| 16:25.40 | Cairenn | nice |
| 16:25.51 | Devla | to change between 14 different font styles on the fly |
| 16:26.03 | Cairenn | ambitious |
| 16:27.30 | Devla | ehh..lucky i got someone to help me with crappy XML |
| 16:27.36 | Cairenn | good |
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| 16:28.31 | Cairenn | so what brings you back here? haven't seen you in forever and last I heard you weren't exactly fond of us ... |
| 16:28.50 | Cairenn | not that I'm complaining, I'm glad you are back, even if you aren't |
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| 16:30.27 | Devla | exactly fond? |
| 16:30.30 | Devla | why is that |
| 16:31.08 | JoshBorke | fyi: GetGuildRosterInfo(501)+ returns zilch :-( |
| 16:32.21 | Devla | oh that |
| 16:32.25 | ckknight | you shouldn't have a guild that big |
| 16:32.41 | JoshBorke | ckknight: i agree |
| 16:33.57 | ckknight | the human brain can only withstand caring about 200 people max, and you have to take real life relationships into account as well |
| 16:34.07 | Miravlix | Why not? |
| 16:34.08 | Cairenn | ckknight: lol, cynic :p |
| 16:34.13 | Miravlix | 500 isn't that many |
| 16:34.23 | JoshBorke | we have 179 below lvl 30 |
| 16:34.34 | ckknight | You can't physically care about each one |
| 16:34.36 | Cairenn | Devla: yeah, "that", whatever the heck "that" is |
| 16:34.37 | Miravlix | Everyone can have 9 chars pr. server wouldn't be that many ppl to hit 500 chars |
| 16:34.53 | JoshBorke | we have about 300 people in the guild |
| 16:35.13 | Miravlix | It's a game ckk and toons |
| 16:35.13 | ckknight | Cairenn, I'm not a cynic |
| 16:35.15 | Miravlix | not people |
| 16:35.27 | Cairenn | ckknight: I was teasing |
| 16:35.36 | Miravlix | Each toon in a guild doesn't have to be played by 1 person |
| 16:35.44 | Miravlix | 1 person can play multiple chars. :p |
| 16:35.49 | ckknight | that's true |
| 16:36.22 | Miravlix | 500 chars all played by a different player, that would be nuts in the same guild |
| 16:36.38 | ckknight | yea |
| 16:36.41 | ckknight | yea it would |
| 16:38.01 | JoshBorke | indeed. my GM just won't kick anybody from the guild. we've been around since beta, and we have kicked less than 10 people from the guild. 10! |
| 16:38.36 | kremonte | JoshBorke: o_O |
| 16:39.11 | JoshBorke | lol, yep. but i stick with them because it's the same guild i've been in since i started playing dec 04. |
| 16:39.49 | JoshBorke | it's taken us 5 months to take down ragnaros (i got to be there when we did! woohoo!). not 2 weeks after we do, we decide we're going to start a second raid group because we have too many people :-/ |
| 16:41.06 | Adrine | We've just stalled in BWL because it's nubville there. Lots of people just dinged 60 and "hey, I get to raid now!" without any gear or experience |
| 16:41.10 | Adrine | And. That doesn't work in BWL. |
| 16:41.33 | JoshBorke | we've made 2 trips into BWL :-/ i haven't gotten to go to any of them |
| 16:42.03 | JoshBorke | despite our sheer numbers, we can't get enough for ZG or AQ20 |
| 16:42.48 | Miravlix | ... when you ding 60 the real leveling start, gear leveling so you can do raid nstances |
| 16:42.55 | zenzio | "20-man instances? Can't have as phat lewt as 40-man instances" |
| 16:43.10 | JoshBorke | "no dkp? why should i go?" |
| 16:44.30 | Miravlix | With no dkp you have more reaosn to go |
| 16:44.50 | Miravlix | Roll loot is more to ppls advantage than dkp. :) |
| 16:45.04 | Wobin_ | That's true =) |
| 16:45.18 | Adrine | Point systems are incentive to go, no doubt. |
| 16:45.37 | Adrine | We've actually cleared to Nefarion, got him to phase 2 and 80% ish our first shot at him. |
| 16:45.45 | Crispix | *yawn* Morning everyone |
| 16:45.48 | Adrine | But we can't even clear past Firemaw since then. It's embarrasing. |
| 16:45.53 | Miravlix | DKP is good *long term* |
| 16:46.01 | JoshBorke | morning Crispix |
| 16:46.02 | Adrine | Raids are long-term by nature. ;) |
| 16:46.26 | Miravlix | No |
| 16:46.44 | Miravlix | But to earn DKP forces it to be long term |
| 16:46.54 | Miravlix | But you get the loot guarenteed in the end |
| 16:47.02 | Adrine | Eh? |
| 16:47.24 | Adrine | Raid instances take tons more time and effort to clear than the 5-man stuff, or even UBRS |
| 16:47.31 | Miravlix | You have to do the work |
| 16:47.33 | Miravlix | to get paid |
| 16:47.41 | Adrine | It's not uncommon for a group to spend several months before they can actually clear the instance |
| 16:47.47 | Miravlix | The payment is DKPs that you use to buy stuff |
| 16:47.48 | Adrine | I'd say that's pretty long-term. :) |
| 16:47.58 | Miravlix | We don't get paid in advance |
| 16:48.58 | Miravlix | It is long term in real life days |
| 16:49.07 | Miravlix | but raid instances doesn't work on real time |
| 16:49.39 | Miravlix | They reset on a much slower system, so you can just spend a few hours on it a week. |
| 16:50.17 | ckknight | okay, if I make a library with useful functions, should I put them into a table, or put them as globals? |
| 16:50.29 | Miravlix | I say Embeded |
| 16:50.33 | Adrine | I'd table 'em with a short table name |
| 16:50.33 | Miravlix | and that means table |
| 16:50.47 | Miravlix | Naah make it a long name |
| 16:50.58 | Miravlix | and let the use that use it, worry about making it short |
| 16:51.05 | ckknight | it'd be like BossUtils or something |
| 16:51.09 | ckknight | or Bosslib |
| 16:51.10 | Miravlix | local shorttable = yourlonganinformativetable |
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| 16:51.31 | Miravlix | But go Embeded |
| 16:52.19 | Miravlix | So people can include a copy with there addon and don't have to worry about supporting installing someone elses product |
| 16:52.36 | ckknight | hrm |
| 16:52.59 | ckknight | but it'll likely be big, cause I want it to support a bunch of localization stuff |
| 16:53.05 | ckknight | like the localization of all zones |
| 16:53.19 | Miravlix | Takes 13 lines to Embed a library. |
| 16:53.20 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/643900 |
| 16:54.13 | Miravlix | Thats the devs problem, not yours, you just worry about releasing your lib. |
| 16:55.14 | Miravlix | The example is a second level library, you would remove MicroMacroMaker in a top level one |
| 16:55.52 | Miravlix | MMM actually checks class, skills and stuff and unloads all the code the user can't use on the current char. :) |
| 16:56.56 | ckknight | so what I'd want is for them to just add the .lua file to the folder and the .toc |
| 16:57.00 | ckknight | and just have it "work" |
| 16:57.16 | ckknight | man, this'd be easier with the new AceUtils implementation |
| 16:57.24 | Miravlix | With that code in the beginning. |
| 16:57.41 | Miravlix | It checks if BossLib is already loaded or load the version |
| 16:57.57 | Miravlix | Every addon would have an OptDep BossLib |
| 16:58.38 | ckknight | so it would be its own addon, then? |
| 16:58.40 | Miravlix | The addon authors that want to embed just copy your files into there addon (subdir perhaps) and load with toc |
| 16:58.52 | ckknight | then why have an optionaldependency? |
| 16:59.03 | Miravlix | So your BossLib loads first |
| 16:59.13 | ckknight | but it's embedded |
| 16:59.22 | ckknight | not its own addon |
| 16:59.35 | Miravlix | That the beauty of this |
| 16:59.41 | Miravlix | it works as a stand alone addon |
| 16:59.44 | Miravlix | and embeded |
| 16:59.48 | Miravlix | without any conflicts |
| 17:00.01 | ckknight | hrm |
| 17:00.04 | Miravlix | So you can have 10 addons that included the embeded code |
| 17:00.15 | Miravlix | and then the users goes and get the new bosslib |
| 17:00.23 | Miravlix | and all the addons then use the bosslib |
| 17:00.54 | ckknight | okay |
| 17:01.41 | Miravlix | It means you need a super strict library API |
| 17:01.52 | ckknight | not necessarily |
| 17:02.02 | Miravlix | You can't change anything you have released in a way so it breaks addons that uses it |
| 17:02.04 | ckknight | I'm thinking of a way to do it |
| 17:02.15 | ckknight | that can make the API non-strict |
| 17:02.21 | JoshBorke | just take a note from blizzard :-) |
| 17:02.27 | ckknight | what's that? |
| 17:02.28 | Miravlix | But it's not hard to make changes that doesn't break backwards compatibility |
| 17:02.28 | JoshBorke | change and remove return values each time |
| 17:02.37 | ckknight | lol |
| 17:02.44 | ckknight | okay, here's my thought: |
| 17:02.47 | Wobin_ | ckknight: Have a look at Iriel's site, it covers a lot =) http://www.iriel.org/wow/addondev/index.html |
| 17:02.55 | Miravlix | Blizzard just doesn't bother I think. :p |
| 17:03.03 | ckknight | let's say you have 2 versions |
| 17:03.15 | ckknight | first one is newer, has more stuff, removed a few functions, whatnot |
| 17:03.16 | Wobin_ | Blizzard doesn't care about addons =) |
| 17:03.24 | Miravlix | They do care |
| 17:03.25 | ckknight | 2nd one is the old one, with deprecated functions and such |
| 17:03.30 | Miravlix | Thats why they gave us the ability |
| 17:03.36 | Wobin_ | Not really |
| 17:04.06 | ckknight | basically, on the second iteration, it could check the version number, then go through each function to see if it exists, if it doesn't, it adds it |
| 17:04.19 | ckknight | thus keeping backwards compatibility if you have the old code |
| 17:04.20 | Wobin_ | Or maybe it would be better to say "They don't officially support addons and any changes to the API can be made by them" |
| 17:04.38 | Miravlix | They still care. :) |
| 17:04.53 | Wobin_ | Not enough to backwardly support every API change =) |
| 17:04.54 | Miravlix | But they just don't find it important to not break addons |
| 17:05.14 | Wobin_ | The caring is shown in that they open an API to us =) |
| 17:05.24 | Wobin_ | Maintenence is then up to us =P |
| 17:05.27 | Miravlix | ckk: Hmm? |
| 17:05.36 | Miravlix | then you have half old half new lib |
| 17:05.41 | ckknight | right |
| 17:05.56 | ckknight | the old functions will only be there if not replaced |
| 17:06.06 | ckknight | that way, addons that use the old functions will work |
| 17:06.12 | Miravlix | We have fluffy(value) returns true false |
| 17:06.14 | ckknight | and addons that use the new functions will work |
| 17:06.29 | Miravlix | Now you update fluffy(weirdnessfactor, color, value) |
| 17:06.45 | Miravlix | What if an addon use the new fluffy |
| 17:06.51 | Miravlix | and one except to use the old one? |
| 17:07.05 | JoshBorke | always add new values at the end |
| 17:07.21 | Miravlix | Thats not the point Josh |
| 17:07.32 | JoshBorke | i know :-) |
| 17:07.36 | Miravlix | We are talking about intentionally changed API's |
| 17:08.13 | Miravlix | ckk: You just keep fluffy(value) always working |
| 17:08.32 | ckknight | is there any way to get info about a function? |
| 17:08.36 | ckknight | like what values it takes? |
| 17:08.41 | ckknight | or at least how many |
| 17:08.46 | Miravlix | Any new version will always have fluffy(value) return the expected behavior |
| 17:08.52 | Legorol^ | ckknight: no there isn't |
| 17:09.01 | Legorol^ | unless it's one of the Blizzard API funcs |
| 17:09.12 | Miravlix | You could make a table |
| 17:09.16 | Legorol^ | then you can try to call it with incorrect arguments, and sometimes, for some functions, you get a usage string |
| 17:09.39 | Miravlix | so it would be outfunction = { funcpointer, info about arguments, returnvalue } |
| 17:09.41 | Legorol^ | you can also just grep the WoW binary for "Usage: " |
| 17:09.57 | Legorol^ | but for Lua functions, ou can't in general find out what they take |
| 17:10.30 | Miravlix | But fluffy(value) can be extended quite far before you have to break the original fluffy |
| 17:10.39 | Miravlix | The new one could be fluffy(value, newvalue) |
| 17:10.44 | ckknight | I need to figure out a way to allow for 2 versions to exist at the same time |
| 17:10.50 | Miravlix | if newvalue == nil then you work like the old one |
| 17:10.56 | ckknight | i.e. 1.0 and 1.1 |
| 17:10.59 | ckknight | maybe |
| 17:11.00 | Miravlix | if newvalue is set your work like the new function |
| 17:11.06 | ckknight | actually, that'd be additive API changes |
| 17:11.12 | ckknight | 1.0 and 2.0 would be destructive |
| 17:11.36 | Miravlix | Don't much see the need for destructive with a good design up front. |
| 17:11.55 | ckknight | hrm |
| 17:12.04 | ckknight | well, I'm gonna start writing it |
| 17:12.06 | ckknight | see how it goes |
| 17:12.31 | Miravlix | You can always just have fluffy(value) and fluffymagic(something) |
| 17:13.13 | Miravlix | Then have function fluffy start printing a warning about it being faced out and the user needs to update his addon. |
| 17:13.53 | ckknight | yea |
| 17:13.59 | Miravlix | or your 'destructive thing' make the version check > 1.00 < 2.00 |
| 17:14.14 | zenzio | couldn't you do something dirty like HTTP and have them specify which version they expect? |
| 17:14.28 | ckknight | at the function level, nah |
| 17:14.35 | ckknight | I might just want to later have a KnightLib2 for 2.0 |
| 17:14.52 | ckknight | I do want it to be relatively fast |
| 17:14.58 | ckknight | or at least not get in the way |
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| 17:15.27 | Miravlix | Good idea |
| 17:15.35 | Miravlix | Bosslib1 Bosslib2 |
| 17:15.42 | Miravlix | No conflicts ever and you can update |
| 17:16.57 | ckknight | that'd only be on major version changes, though |
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| 17:24.26 | JoshBorke | whoa |
| 17:24.35 | ckknight | whoa! |
| 17:24.51 | JoshBorke | i just got an apache tomcat error from worldofwarcraft.com...that can't be right |
| 17:25.20 | JoshBorke | ok, much better |
| 17:30.49 | zenzio | I never truly appreciate Spirit until I'm debuffed and out of bandages... |
| 17:31.02 | Wobin_ | Regen faster damnit! |
| 17:33.42 | zenzio | I should take the time to level cooking again so I wouldn't rely on bandages/regen all the time :p |
| 17:35.32 | Wobin_ | So who thinks if Taran Icebreaker is a shammy weapon or not? =) |
| 17:37.26 | JoshBorke | it's only lvl 47, who cares :-P |
| 17:38.00 | Adrine | Obviously a hunter weapon. |
| 17:38.29 | Wobin_ | Well, I've got one, and a shammy that's near 47 |
| 17:38.37 | Wobin_ | So I don't know if I want to sell it for the cash or use it =P |
| 17:39.00 | zenzio | how long would you keep using it? |
| 17:39.00 | JoshBorke | sell it for cash :-) shammy can't DPS ;-) |
| 17:39.40 | Miravlix | Always sell unless your twinking |
| 17:39.43 | Wobin_ | I dunno =) My shammy isn't really in a guild atm |
| 17:40.01 | Wobin_ | I wonder if I'll get a better price on Horde or Alliance... |
| 17:40.10 | Miravlix | Anything that isn't a level 60 weapona nd worth money... SELL SELL SELL SELL |
| 17:40.19 | Miravlix | There is some moron that will pay a lot of cash for it |
| 17:42.34 | Miravlix | Ugh I need a camping reminder program |
| 17:42.40 | Miravlix | that keeps tracks of rares |
| 17:43.23 | Wobin_ | aha |
| 17:43.31 | Wobin_ | 120 on hordeside and only 75 on Allianceside |
| 17:43.40 | Wobin_ | I think I'll pass it across =P |
| 17:43.52 | zenzio | keeps track of in which way? |
| 17:44.05 | Wobin_ | Names and such? |
| 17:44.40 | Miravlix | An alarm clock that reminds me to go farm it |
| 17:45.07 | Miravlix | Trying to get some axes for my orc warrior |
| 17:45.39 | Miravlix | Boahn and Trigore in WC, but it's a very high trafic area so pretty hard to farm if you don't show up at the right time atleast |
| 17:46.06 | Miravlix | Killed Trig twice in a week, Boahn 0 times. |
| 17:46.15 | Miravlix | And they are both 8 hour spawns... |
| 17:47.37 | Miravlix | I found it strange I didn't see them at server up, maybe Blizzard is farming them. :p |
| 17:49.09 | zenzio | would be sort of fun if they made the first spawn after server-up random within normal spawn cycle |
| 17:49.31 | Miravlix | That would be nice |
| 17:49.37 | Miravlix | not |
| 17:50.10 | Miravlix | Standing around waiting for a mob to spawn for 8 hours = fubared gameplay |
| 17:50.23 | Miravlix | Showing up when the spawn timer is ready = acceptable |
| 17:50.34 | zenzio | do those drop something you particularly want? |
| 17:50.42 | Miravlix | Imaging if BWL reset at random times |
| 17:50.45 | Miravlix | Axes |
| 17:50.56 | Corrodias | i want BWL to reset every 5 minutes. |
| 17:51.04 | JoshBorke | while i'm in there :-) |
| 17:51.06 | Wobin_ | WC as in Wailing Caverns or Warlords Command? |
| 17:51.07 | Miravlix | First low level 1h and 2h axe |
| 17:51.12 | Wobin_ | ah |
| 17:51.20 | Miravlix | They are level 15 blues |
| 17:52.13 | Miravlix | In Anarchy Online all the rares spawn timers is recorded analyzed and people has written programs to keep track of them |
| 17:52.55 | Miravlix | Life begins and ends with last server restart basically, then the XX hours in between next cycle starts |
| 17:52.56 | zenzio | I wouldn't call it programs... kill one and start your stop watch |
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| 17:53.11 | Miravlix | It is programs |
| 17:53.27 | Miravlix | They keep track for weeks of the say 18 hour spawn timer |
| 17:53.29 | zenzio | I farmed Kelly Fredrickson for a week after finding her uncamped |
| 17:53.32 | zenzio | then got bored |
| 17:53.34 | Miravlix | AO doesn't reset every week |
| 17:53.42 | zenzio | I know |
| 17:54.11 | Miravlix | Well Kelly is low level contense now, I doub many 200+ care all that much |
| 17:54.36 | zenzio | are you kidding me? +22 str/sta sleeves are amazing for twinking symbiants |
| 17:54.50 | Miravlix | Try for Jones glasses and vest |
| 17:55.50 | zenzio | apart from the Pandemonium mobs, I don't think I cared about any of the special mobs except Kelly :o |
| 17:55.55 | Codayus | erg, ao's rare spawn system was awful |
| 17:56.16 | Miravlix | Whats wrong with xx hours in between spawns? |
| 17:56.19 | zenzio | mostly like WoW's, only longer respawn and they don't wander |
| 17:56.22 | Miravlix | Thats perfect |
| 17:56.30 | Miravlix | You can shedule your life around it |
| 17:56.50 | Miravlix | So next Friday Kelly will spawn at 16:00 when I can be home from work |
| 17:57.16 | Codayus | camping, competion, farming. Especially because they put loot you really needed on them. |
| 17:57.16 | Miravlix | Instead of obsessive having to stand around for 3 days looking for something |
| 17:57.26 | Miravlix | Competition rules |
| 17:57.30 | Miravlix | thats what makes it fun |
| 17:57.33 | Codayus | when I played, the ONLY good shade weapon came from one. |
| 17:57.35 | zenzio | they did add some more special mobs in the Shadowlands that were on more random spawn, or had several possible spawn points |
| 17:57.42 | zenzio | but their respawn rate wasn't very long |
| 17:57.57 | Miravlix | Replacement rares sucks |
| 17:58.05 | zenzio | Codayus: Nippy John Stilleto? |
| 17:58.11 | Codayus | probably |
| 17:58.12 | Miravlix | I've spend 8 hours with a full raid group trying to get the boss to spawn |
| 17:58.17 | Codayus | its been a long long time |
| 17:58.19 | Miravlix | and all we got was placeholders |
| 17:58.55 | Codayus | and they wren't nodrop, so the farming was intense. |
| 17:58.57 | Miravlix | But Nippy isn't a timed spawn |
| 17:59.02 | zenzio | I can only remember the Nippy as dropping from a special mob; although Piercing Evil was also popular |
| 17:59.09 | zenzio | now it's all Kyr'Ozch weapons |
| 17:59.36 | zenzio | I do miss my Conflagrant Syndicate Messenger Gun |
| 17:59.42 | Miravlix | He had a random chance to spawn every XX hours |
| 17:59.45 | Miravlix | that totally suck |
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| 18:00.43 | Miravlix | I farmed my own gun for my adventurer, but ugh that was horrible |
| 18:02.13 | zenzio | I wish WoW's item and spell names were as (in my opinion) funny as AO's |
| 18:02.44 | Miravlix | Well, it's a lot easier being funny in a SciFi game |
| 18:02.57 | Miravlix | It can totally ruin a fantasy game with to much crap, but we do have some |
| 18:03.24 | zenzio | yeah, I don't blame them for using the names they do |
| 18:03.29 | Miravlix | Linkens Bomorang |
| 18:03.39 | zenzio | but names like those on the Beast or Merlin armor sets are rather funky |
| 18:04.47 | zenzio | weapon names like Rod of Repayment, Machete of Two Thousand Worries, Defender of Troy (though the weapons themselves sucked) |
| 18:05.08 | Adrine | Defender of Troy is awesome. |
| 18:05.57 | Miravlix | AO had it's charm, I've played it for 3 years or so |
| 18:06.22 | zenzio | I only just noticed the familiarity of your nick |
| 18:06.22 | Corrodias | 3 years.. holy crap |
| 18:06.25 | Codayus | Parts of it were excellent. |
| 18:06.31 | zenzio | I used to argue with you on #anarchyonline :o |
| 18:07.41 | Miravlix | used to? I don't recall arguing that much on AO |
| 18:08.19 | Codayus | A game in the AO universe with WoWs interface and more modern game mechanics would be nifty.... |
| 18:08.20 | zenzio | I argue with everyone :x Generally I just saw you set noobs straight |
| 18:08.46 | Miravlix | But yeah I'm Miravlix from AO too, Found and creator of Gathering of Souls |
| 18:10.21 | Miravlix | Only reason I was there in the end was because I was supposed to take over the IGN Development |
| 18:10.43 | Miravlix | ign.sourceforge.net |
| 18:11.21 | Miravlix | Registered with sf and everything and then Amona went nuts because I was upset she was using the users as hostages again because he/she AGAIN got banned from AO |
| 18:11.37 | Codayus | I tried playing AO last month. Couldn't handle the interface. :-/ |
| 18:11.48 | zenzio | lol Mira |
| 18:11.57 | Miravlix | Hey the game play itself |
| 18:11.59 | Codayus | Amona? Wow, that brings back memories... |
| 18:12.03 | Miravlix | You just hit the attack key |
| 18:12.17 | Miravlix | then it did the rest itself, it's not the fun movvement fest WoW is |
| 18:12.27 | Codayus | ....not *good* ones.... |
| 18:12.30 | zenzio | I never understood how Amona could bother to keep developing something when being so on edge with the game's developers |
| 18:12.57 | Miravlix | Thats simple enough |
| 18:13.12 | Miravlix | We all develope to get personal ego stroking from others that admire our talents |
| 18:13.33 | [MoonWolf] | true |
| 18:13.48 | Miravlix | It's the net, it's all about e-peen. |
| 18:13.53 | Codayus | truth |
| 18:13.55 | zenzio | people admired Amona? :o I mostly remember the bot coders speaking ill of IGN (at least the *vocal* ones... not saying they were any better ;) |
| 18:13.57 | [MoonWolf] | we all like it when someone else tells us that what we made is erally neet or cool something.. |
| 18:14.13 | Miravlix | zenzio, IGN was exceptional |
| 18:14.22 | kremonte | what was ign? ._. |
| 18:14.25 | Miravlix | 1.& MB PHP source |
| 18:14.26 | kremonte | never played AO |
| 18:14.30 | Miravlix | 1.6, even |
| 18:14.42 | Miravlix | On AO we can connect to the in game chat server |
| 18:14.56 | Miravlix | So we could write software that talked to the players in game |
| 18:15.05 | kremonte | oh wow cool |
| 18:15.07 | Miravlix | DPK Bots, chat bots, forum bots, whatever we could make it |
| 18:15.14 | kremonte | DPK? |
| 18:15.23 | Miravlix | DKP |
| 18:15.23 | kremonte | DKP? ._. |
| 18:15.25 | kremonte | ah |
| 18:15.34 | zenzio | raid bots are very common, since the game lacks any support for teaming more than six people |
| 18:15.37 | Miravlix | Everything in AO was controled by bots |
| 18:15.44 | kremonte | :/ |
| 18:16.01 | Miravlix | If you wanted loot you got on a bot someone has setup so they basically controled that spawn |
| 18:16.18 | kremonte | that sounds shitty.. |
| 18:16.23 | zenzio | indeed |
| 18:16.24 | Miravlix | Nope |
| 18:16.30 | kremonte | nope? :/ |
| 18:16.32 | kremonte | botfest? |
| 18:16.36 | Miravlix | Atleast not Clan |
| 18:16.40 | kremonte | i like playing my games ;p |
| 18:16.49 | Miravlix | Wtf are you talking about? |
| 18:16.53 | Miravlix | The bot CAN CHAT! |
| 18:16.54 | zenzio | if Pandemonium and the like were instanced like MC, BWL etc then I wouldn't mind the bots |
| 18:17.08 | kremonte | it can chat..ok? |
| 18:17.12 | kremonte | i have to move around and hit buttons :p |
| 18:17.25 | Miravlix | The bot can't play the game |
| 18:17.31 | Codayus | very very complex bots - some very cool stuff. wow needs that capability. :-) |
| 18:17.34 | Miravlix | It can chat nothing else than chat |
| 18:17.36 | kremonte | ohh |
| 18:17.43 | kremonte | then what did you mean about the loot comment? |
| 18:17.55 | Miravlix | It was DKKP bots |
| 18:18.03 | kremonte | ohh |
| 18:18.08 | Codayus | bots ormally handle lot distribution, dkp, attenance tracking |
| 18:18.11 | kremonte | just for information gathering then i suppose? |
| 18:18.13 | Miravlix | You signed up with the bot and went to a raid |
| 18:18.21 | Miravlix | then got DKP and bit on the loot that dropped |
| 18:18.35 | Miravlix | The whole process was PLAYER controled |
| 18:18.36 | kremonte | hmm |
| 18:18.42 | Miravlix | the bot couldn't do anything with loot |
| 18:18.42 | kremonte | that sounds good for WoW, heh |
| 18:18.52 | Miravlix | it was 100% reliant on ppl accepting the bot |
| 18:19.04 | Miravlix | We had 200+ people at raids using the bots |
| 18:19.13 | kremonte | o.o |
| 18:19.25 | kremonte | 200 people would like crash servers |
| 18:19.33 | Miravlix | Basically Joe Smug Setup BeastBot |
| 18:19.47 | Miravlix | and then everyone joined that bot to earn DKP for beast loot and work together |
| 18:20.40 | Codayus | lots of fun uses for bots though. |
| 18:20.41 | Miravlix | Joe Smug was just some random guy mostly from an old big guild |
| 18:20.46 | zenzio | want to see unstable servers? Go to tower wars in Mort/EFP/PW |
| 18:21.04 | kremonte | want to see an unstable server, roll a toon on warsong ._. |
| 18:21.21 | Miravlix | That way he got the backing of other large guilds, so the bot got control of a spawn |
| 18:21.40 | Miravlix | Sometimes people compete a bit, but in the end only one bot wins out and control the spawn |
| 18:21.54 | zenzio | then they set up bots to inform people of events, like Infobot and Wtfnet |
| 18:21.54 | Codayus | an impressive bit of coordination, really |
| 18:22.23 | Codayus | imagines 200 people pugs working together on an outdoor spawn in wow.... |
| 18:22.26 | Miravlix | I've never actually seen much abuse in my time of these raid bots |
| 18:22.31 | kremonte | Codayus |
| 18:22.33 | kremonte | not gonna happen |
| 18:22.35 | kremonte | ever. lol |
| 18:22.50 | kremonte | aq event was more or less |
| 18:22.55 | Miravlix | AO is mostly super bugs |
| 18:23.00 | Miravlix | Both in PvP and PvE |
| 18:23.00 | kremonte | take an SS, hope the SS finishes loading before another person AE fears |
| 18:23.21 | Miravlix | haha |
| 18:23.24 | Codayus | ya, srsly |
| 18:23.26 | Miravlix | well super pugs, even |
| 18:23.35 | kremonte | pugs? haha. pugs. |
| 18:23.41 | Miravlix | but bugs too |
| 18:23.45 | kremonte | as of 1.10, [4. LookingForGroup - City] = |
| 18:23.45 | Miravlix | all games has those |
| 18:23.52 | kremonte | THIS IS SO GAY |
| 18:23.57 | kremonte | 45 MINUTE BARON IS IMPOSSIBLE |
| 18:23.57 | Miravlix | ? |
| 18:23.58 | kremonte | GAAAAAAAAAAAAY |
| 18:24.03 | Codayus | heh |
| 18:24.17 | Miravlix | I can't quite get used to the fact |
| 18:24.29 | Miravlix | that Pug MC, BWL, etc. isn't possible in WoW |
| 18:24.40 | kremonte | aye |
| 18:24.45 | kremonte | there are pug MC's |
| 18:24.47 | kremonte | but not really pug |
| 18:24.51 | Miravlix | When I'm used to bigger pugs |
| 18:24.55 | kremonte | mostly people with alts from the big guilds |
| 18:24.59 | kremonte | organizing a quick MC |
| 18:25.29 | Miravlix | Unless we get a build in DKP system, the big pugs will never work |
| 18:25.39 | Codayus | I've seen true pugs clear through gehenns....but that was a bit of a fluke |
| 18:25.51 | kremonte | Codayus: o_O |
| 18:25.53 | kremonte | Miravlix: hmmmm |
| 18:25.55 | zenzio | there are times when tanking in WoW that I've really wished I had Mongo |
| 18:25.57 | kremonte | hmmmmmmm |
| 18:25.57 | Codayus | I was on a pug kill of mag. |
| 18:26.11 | Codayus | no coordination. just zerged it and used ooc rezzing |
| 18:26.11 | kremonte | i went with a pug and killed domo |
| 18:26.15 | kremonte | we wiped like 2 dozen times |
| 18:26.22 | Miravlix | We will see 5-10 man pugs doing MC after we get level 70 |
| 18:26.22 | kremonte | i was 100% when i went in (just for domo) |
| 18:26.23 | Codayus | I was an enforcer. |
| 18:26.25 | kremonte | came out at 0% |
| 18:26.26 | Codayus | I <3 mongo |
| 18:26.32 | kremonte | Miravlix: pug mc will be 10-15 |
| 18:26.39 | kremonte | Miravlix: group mc will be <=5 |
| 18:26.44 | Codayus | Miravlix: naaa....20+ i bet |
| 18:27.02 | kremonte | Codayus: maybe, but the biggest problem would be finding enough people |
| 18:27.06 | Miravlix | I bet they will cap the instance |
| 18:27.06 | kremonte | hmmmm |
| 18:27.16 | kremonte | brings up a point tho |
| 18:27.25 | Codayus | we'll se... |
| 18:27.27 | kremonte | maybe i (or somebody) could make a per-server central dkp db |
| 18:27.28 | kremonte | for pugraid |
| 18:27.30 | Miravlix | Change it like they do with other instances |
| 18:27.52 | Miravlix | CTRA_PUG_DKP |
| 18:27.59 | Miravlix | Dunno |
| 18:28.02 | kremonte | can't coordinate something with just a mod |
| 18:28.06 | kremonte | would have to be a site |
| 18:28.08 | Miravlix | Seems so hard to get working |
| 18:28.23 | Codayus | so awfully hardd to coordinate without bots |
| 18:28.25 | kremonte | if it's a website, i don't think it would be that hard to start |
| 18:28.31 | kremonte | as long as you have your connections |
| 18:28.37 | Codayus | no realtime communicaton/updates |
| 18:28.46 | kremonte | for example, my guild is "allied" (we raid alts together) with another big guild |
| 18:29.06 | kremonte | thinking, could also have an IRC channel and run irc bots |
| 18:29.09 | kremonte | or something :/ |
| 18:29.20 | Miravlix | But switching window |
| 18:29.23 | Miravlix | to bid for loot |
| 18:29.25 | Miravlix | naah |
| 18:29.29 | kremonte | well |
| 18:29.32 | Miravlix | The loot would decay |
| 18:29.34 | kremonte | there COULD be an addon component |
| 18:29.34 | Codayus | messy |
| 18:29.41 | Miravlix | before the master looter could get it organized |
| 18:29.44 | kremonte | ok, here's what i kinda think |
| 18:29.52 | kremonte | the group leader/ML runs a private mod |
| 18:30.05 | Miravlix | And he crashes |
| 18:30.06 | kremonte | it tracks who is there for boss kills to save DKP |
| 18:30.10 | Miravlix | wiping everyones DKP. :( |
| 18:30.15 | kremonte | Miravlix: somebody with assist has it too :p |
| 18:30.18 | kremonte | for DKP purposes |
| 18:30.22 | kremonte | people whisper with bid [link] for an item |
| 18:30.29 | kremonte | the db is checked, everybody is happy |
| 18:30.32 | kremonte | when WoW is closed |
| 18:30.35 | kremonte | or whatever |
| 18:30.36 | Corrodias | for DKP purposes i go play another game because i'm not dealing with all that shit just for supposed "fun" :/ |
| 18:30.38 | Miravlix | We need in game web site communication |
| 18:30.40 | kremonte | they run a little application |
| 18:30.49 | kremonte | that uploads the savedvars and parses it onto a site with a modded eqdkp |
| 18:31.19 | Miravlix | Have to download a full servers DKP list |
| 18:31.25 | Wobin_ | aha |
| 18:31.33 | kremonte | Miravlix: therein lies the problem |
| 18:31.33 | kremonte | :( |
| 18:31.36 | Miravlix | Then several people have to upload it and none have to fake the upload |
| 18:31.51 | kremonte | aye, but wasn't trust a necessary in AO as well |
| 18:32.03 | Miravlix | Not really |
| 18:32.06 | Codayus | some guilds do that now...but for an entire faction? shudder |
| 18:32.25 | Miravlix | It was the same 5 admins that controled a bot |
| 18:32.26 | Codayus | one bot handled it |
| 18:32.39 | Miravlix | Your talking trusting all 5000 players of a faction |
| 18:32.39 | kremonte | we could have like |
| 18:32.42 | kremonte | 3 leaders per instance |
| 18:32.50 | kremonte | Miravlix: only people that DO the pugraid :p |
| 18:32.53 | kremonte | and another issue |
| 18:32.57 | kremonte | kicking people from raids etc.. |
| 18:33.22 | Codayus | trust the bot and you could trust the system |
| 18:33.23 | Miravlix | Naah, pugs will be roll |
| 18:33.49 | kremonte | roll, Miravlix? |
| 18:33.50 | kremonte | huh |
| 18:34.19 | Miravlix | Yeah you roll for loot based on some pre defined who deserves what |
| 18:34.24 | Wobin_ | rearry? |
| 18:35.33 | Miravlix | Maybe some Master Loot addon and people sign up for being on the roll for item x, y and z that drops in MC |
| 18:36.08 | Miravlix | I wouldn't trust WoW players to not ninja |
| 18:36.27 | Miravlix | In AO we had 200 players at events and we had a ninja like once every other year |
| 18:36.40 | zenzio | [Beastbot] Beastbot: BACK AWAY FROM THE CORPSE |
| 18:36.44 | Miravlix | In AO everyone could loot a corps after a few minutes |
| 18:36.57 | zenzio | but only one person at a time could open loot |
| 18:37.20 | Miravlix | Yeah, people held it open to lock it down |
| 18:37.29 | Miravlix | there was usually a damage team that would get loot |
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| 18:37.56 | Miravlix | And the back away from the corps is just as much to CLEAR it so ppl could get the drops after they won a DKP bid |
| 18:38.07 | zenzio | yeah |
| 18:38.25 | zenzio | that what I meant. A trusted person held loot, the bidding ensued, and the winner was allowed to approach |
| 18:38.27 | Miravlix | If your the only one at the corps it also makes it a lot harder to ninja, though we got vicinity loot in AO |
| 18:38.37 | zenzio | then you just had to pray the winner didn't ninja everything |
| 18:38.47 | Miravlix | It seldom happened |
| 18:39.02 | zenzio | indeed :) It actually worked rather well |
| 18:39.03 | Miravlix | You only ninjaed once, then you got banned. :) |
| 18:39.28 | zenzio | and people made sure everyone knew what you did =D |
| 18:39.50 | Miravlix | Due to how big the community was and that *everyone* knew everyone else |
| 18:40.11 | zenzio | I remember the fuzz when, who was it, Midnight Reveries? got disbanded |
| 18:40.23 | Miravlix | If you got blacklisted you got killed |
| 18:40.38 | Miravlix | The player control was that big and it was nice. |
| 18:41.03 | Miravlix | MR was troublemakers and to full of there own power |
| 18:41.21 | zenzio | AO chat bots had the advantage of being written in whichever language you wanted to |
| 18:41.25 | Miravlix | So Funcom (AO maker) went in and banned the guild |
| 18:42.17 | kremonte | rofl |
| 18:42.38 | Miravlix | And for others. MR was like one of the top 5-10 raid guilds on a WoW server |
| 18:43.09 | Corrodias | TFS lolz |
| 18:43.26 | Miravlix | and it did all kind of crazy crap with stealing loot and pissing on others |
| 18:43.55 | Miravlix | WoW doesn't have those issues, since everything is instanced. |
| 18:44.02 | Kirov | I'm surprised Banana Boyz are allowed to run free on WoW servers |
| 18:44.22 | Miravlix | Prolly because they can't really bother anyone else |
| 18:44.36 | Kirov | True, but they're known exploiters. |
| 18:45.42 | Kirov | They've made a name for themselves in past mmos for finding every possible exploit and using them, as well as extensive bot usage |
| 18:45.43 | Miravlix | community known is something I count as just a little better than outright lies |
| 18:46.51 | Kirov | The servers I know of BBz guilds on I've heard complaints about their obvious bot usage. |
| 18:46.52 | Miravlix | The rumor mill in WoW communities just suck so horrible bad |
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| 18:47.59 | Miravlix | If we should beleive all the rumors, WoW has 2-3 million chinese farmers |
| 18:48.08 | zenzio | Life on Rimor worked well... "such and such happened, PM me for name" |
| 18:48.16 | Miravlix | And 4 million of thsoe 2-3 million is running bots |
| 18:48.29 | Kirov | hehe |
| 18:48.34 | Wobin_ | The rumour mill in WoW is bad because the only common channels are in the major cities |
| 18:48.45 | Wobin_ | And they technically aren't for gossip |
| 18:48.56 | Miravlix | Wobin_, *nodnods* |
| 18:49.06 | Miravlix | And there is nothing that binds the big guilds together |
| 18:49.44 | Kirov | I personally don't think most farming is done via bots. |
| 18:49.44 | Miravlix | In AO you had to be on good terms with everyone else, so you could join the raid bots, so the big guilds and leaders was talking to each other |
| 18:51.09 | Miravlix | The big elite guilds went out of there way to protect the smaller RP guilds too |
| 18:51.11 | zenzio | there was also tower PvP, at least on Rimor |
| 18:51.14 | Miravlix | It was a wonder to behold |
| 18:52.05 | Kirov | WoW's user base is the scum of the MMO world |
| 18:52.10 | Miravlix | But it's 'sad' when I started in UO 10 years ago things was a lot easier big community wise |
| 18:52.20 | Miravlix | Then AO is a bit worse |
| 18:52.26 | Gryphen | its the same for every game |
| 18:52.29 | Miravlix | and then WoW it goes completely down the drain |
| 18:52.46 | zenzio | 10 years ago the 14-year-olds generally didn't have access to the Internet/MMOs |
| 18:53.04 | Miravlix | 14 year olds is another community myth |
| 18:53.12 | Miravlix | We are arvage age 24+ |
| 18:53.14 | Corrodias | 10 years ago, 12 year olds did. |
| 18:53.25 | Corrodias | i should know, i've been online at least that long |
| 18:53.29 | Gryphen | took a census mir? |
| 18:53.31 | Kirov | Gryphen - Certainly the forum users of every game are the scum of the world, but it's more the usability and popularity of WoW that makes it so bad. |
| 18:53.45 | Gryphen | i think lineage 2 is worse |
| 18:53.46 | Miravlix | Gryphen, No thats professional survey information |
| 18:53.49 | Corrodias | had to be before that, even. i started on porn nice and early. |
| 18:53.53 | Wobin_ | Because WoW is so user friendly, it's the scum? |
| 18:53.53 | Kirov | The worst users I've known have been 40+ |
| 18:53.54 | kremonte | so wait |
| 18:53.59 | kremonte | 14 year olds are lesser human beings? |
| 18:54.08 | Wobin_ | Sorry Kremonte =) |
| 18:54.12 | Kirov | lol |
| 18:54.17 | Corrodias | they certainly don't have as much political power as 24's do |
| 18:54.28 | Miravlix | WoW has a great game mechanics system |
| 18:54.31 | zenzio | it's sad but true, most of the asshats are 20+ |
| 18:54.39 | zenzio | but there's still plenty of 20- idiots ; |
| 18:54.40 | Miravlix | But it has Community isssues due to being so instanced |
| 18:54.41 | zenzio | ;) |
| 18:54.43 | kremonte | political power + mmo = ??? |
| 18:54.45 | Miravlix | and so easy soloable |
| 18:54.48 | Kirov | "14 year olds should be banned from computer and video games, it rots their brain and causes them to grow up as criminals!" |
| 18:55.04 | Miravlix | To be a complete moron you need to be old |
| 18:55.25 | kremonte | aye |
| 18:55.34 | kremonte | young people can't be morons |
| 18:55.43 | Wobin_ | just idiots |
| 18:55.53 | kremonte | just naïve |
| 18:55.55 | Miravlix | Some of the most dedicated griefers I've ever known, those can can corps camp for 6 hours and stuff |
| 18:55.59 | Wobin_ | ignorant, maybe |
| 18:56.01 | Corrodias | teens can be emo. there is little worse than that. |
| 18:56.03 | Kirov | My girlfriend has a story about a player in her EQ guild that eventually got kicked out because she was so greedy. It was a 65 year old grandma. |
| 18:56.05 | Miravlix | Is old people with 9-5 jobs |
| 18:56.11 | kremonte | Corrodias: haha but that's a new thing :p |
| 18:56.15 | kremonte | well |
| 18:56.17 | kremonte | relatively |
| 18:56.37 | Corrodias | i don't mean goth, but rather b... er |
| 18:56.46 | kremonte | b..? |
| 18:56.46 | Corrodias | my next class starts in 3 minutes. maybe i should get moving. |
| 18:56.49 | Corrodias | bye. [away] |
| 18:56.50 | kremonte | FINISH YOUR SENTENCE |
| 18:56.54 | kremonte | AAAAAAAAAARHG |
| 18:56.55 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 18:56.59 | Corrodias | being mopy and depressed and whining about it to everyone |
| 18:57.25 | Miravlix | There is to many of us, for us all to be nuts! |
| 18:57.39 | Kirov | emo == "cool" goth |
| 18:57.40 | Miravlix | Atleast one out of ten must be borderline normal |
| 18:57.48 | Wobin_ | It's not as much the "I want to be different cause nobody understands me" like in a goth way, it's more "Nobody understands me, whinewhinewhinewhinewhine I'll go play some Evanescence" |
| 18:58.05 | Kirov | Miravlix - there's no such thing as a normal 14 year old. |
| 18:58.08 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:58.24 | Miravlix | Hmm? |
| 18:58.31 | Miravlix | Nothing wrong with kids |
| 18:58.39 | Kirov | Not saying that. |
| 18:58.46 | Miravlix | Been a scout leader for years. |
| 18:59.06 | Miravlix | Just have to learn to channel kids energy into something positive |
| 18:59.17 | Wobin_ | like MMORPGS! |
| 18:59.27 | Miravlix | But since I don't know peoples age online it's pretty hard to channel anything |
| 18:59.59 | Miravlix | So they just get to fend for themself and make up there own crap |
| 19:00.07 | Miravlix | and tey really are good at making up crap. |
| 19:00.13 | kremonte | Miravlix: that is true |
| 19:00.52 | Kirov | Just that to be normal requires some sort of base line to call normal. Unfortunatly most people view the real base line as being an abnormal youth. |
| 19:01.03 | Miravlix | Kids has the "Oooh, shiny" syndrom, nothing wrong with it, it's what make them grow up |
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| 19:51.08 | Iriel_ | Lots of cookies for slouken today |
| 19:51.17 | kremonte | hum? |
| 19:51.20 | kremonte | what did he bake |
| 19:51.30 | Iriel_ | He added a bunch of functions to my 1.11 thread |
| 19:51.41 | AnduinLothar | Anyone wanna grab Archaeologist and tell me if I did something stupid? http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=552 |
| 19:51.42 | ckknight | link, Iriel_? |
| 19:51.44 | Iriel_ | though the login server is broken so I can't add them to the top one |
| 19:51.52 | Iriel_ | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=343889&p=1&tmp=1#post343889 |
| 19:51.59 | ckknight | btw, Iriel, your embedded shared library code is super pimp. |
| 19:52.18 | Iriel_ | ckknight : Thanks 8-) |
| 19:52.30 | ckknight | I thought of one optimization, though |
| 19:53.00 | ckknight | at the very top of your code, you could check if the stub exists, and if your library is obselete already, that way you won't create the tables/functions needlessly |
| 19:54.52 | kremonte | Model:GetModel() <-- hmm? |
| 19:55.04 | kremonte | what path would it return, the base model? |
| 19:55.08 | AnduinLothar | BTW 1.10 versions of Archaeologist, MobileFrames and TellTrack are updated on curse for those of you that haven't extracted them from Cosmos already. |
| 19:55.22 | Miravlix | Maybe, I'm just getting old, but I did Embeding in 5 lines |
| 19:55.25 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/643900 |
| 19:56.12 | Miravlix | Iriel's solution was too complicated for me to learn |
| 19:58.58 | Iriel_ | My solution solves problems you haven't thought of or aren't important to you. |
| 19:59.08 | AnduinLothar | 'more robust' |
| 19:59.27 | Iriel_ | My goal was ONE approach that solved ALL of the problems that I could think of |
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| 20:00.13 | ckknight | I really do like Iriel's way |
| 20:00.15 | ckknight | it's so shiny |
| 20:00.44 | Iriel_ | If I get the stub right once, then developers can just write libraries 8-) |
| 20:01.10 | ckknight | yea :-) |
| 20:01.48 | Iriel | There we go, forgot to kill my session before I went to sleep last night. |
| 20:02.04 | Iriel | And now, meeting time 8-( |
| 20:04.59 | ckknight | anyone have German WoW? |
| 20:06.07 | Elkano | yes |
| 20:06.12 | ckknight | The Balance tree for Druids is listed as just "Gleichgew." on the site |
| 20:06.12 | ckknight | now is that how it is in game or does it write it out in full? |
| 20:06.12 | ckknight | and if it does, what is the name? |
| 20:06.33 | ckknight | alright |
| 20:07.04 | ckknight | yes to the first part, right? |
| 20:07.06 | Elkano | can't tell, don't have a druid :( |
| 20:07.11 | ckknight | damn |
| 20:07.13 | ckknight | okay, what do you have? |
| 20:07.31 | Elkano | btw: fubar isn't localized, is it? BossPanel was |
| 20:07.40 | ckknight | it is |
| 20:07.42 | ckknight | there was a bug |
| 20:07.44 | ckknight | "my bad" |
| 20:07.49 | Elkano | ah, k |
| 20:07.56 | ckknight | it's an easy fix, I'll upload it in a bit |
| 20:08.05 | ckknight | my realm's down, now, though |
| 20:08.12 | ckknight | so I'm taking this time to make my lib |
| 20:08.46 | ckknight | which should be handy for anyone needing assorted localization that the game doesn't provide upfront |
| 20:09.02 | Elkano | btw: there seems to be a 'bug' with honor merged into exp wrt auto switching text between the two of them |
| 20:09.17 | ckknight | it switches when you enter/exit pvp mode |
| 20:09.39 | ckknight | Elkano, what class do you play? |
| 20:09.43 | Elkano | well, that may be usfull on PvE realms but not on PvP |
| 20:09.54 | Miravlix | To quote yourself Iriel: "There's no sense having an embedding scheme if the complexity of implementing it scares everyone away." |
| 20:10.07 | ckknight | actually it's pretty simple |
| 20:10.09 | ckknight | if you think about it |
| 20:10.44 | groll | gehaa over 70 sec zoning load time :P |
| 20:11.06 | Elkano | my actual main is a rogue |
| 20:12.09 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 20:12.12 | ckknight | that doesn't use dots |
| 20:12.38 | Miravlix | "users will usually go with stand-alone AddOns, rather than those with dependencies" <- and thats simply a lie, people use whatever addon that work in game the coolest for them. |
| 20:12.48 | Elkano | well, some of it's poisons are dots |
| 20:13.04 | ckknight | Elkano, Punkte I mean |
| 20:13.14 | ckknight | periods `.` |
| 20:13.43 | Elkano | ah, abreviated strings in skill tree ^^ |
| 20:13.51 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:14.59 | ckknight | I really wish I had a German version of WoW for these issues |
| 20:15.45 | Elkano | so installing the ELP didn't work? |
| 20:16.01 | ckknight | naw, doesn't work on the enUS version |
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| 20:21.54 | JoshBorke | woohooo! key rings |
| 20:22.38 | zenzio | key rings? |
| 20:22.51 | JoshBorke | in 1.11 |
| 20:22.58 | JoshBorke | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=7787923&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard |
| 20:23.07 | JoshBorke | i haven't verified because it's not pulling up for me :-( |
| 20:24.07 | zenzio | so does this mean you can wear a ring in a finger slot that will hold keys? Or is it like another backpack? |
| 20:25.22 | Miravlix | I sure hope it's an 1 slot item in the existing backpack |
| 20:25.48 | Elkano | everything else wouldn't make sense :/ |
| 20:25.49 | Miravlix | That just trigger the flag for having whatever key is on it. |
| 20:26.13 | Elkano | but the enginer bags don't make any sense yet, too :/ |
| 20:26.15 | zenzio | I agree, that would make sense |
| 20:26.26 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.27 | Miravlix | Level 1-40 = 4 slots |
| 20:26.27 | Miravlix | Level 41-50 = 8 slots |
| 20:26.27 | Miravlix | Level 51-60 = 12 slots |
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| 20:26.39 | Miravlix | Quoting the post, since Josh said he couldn't read it |
| 20:26.54 | JoshBorke | ...you can post anonymously on the forums?! |
| 20:26.56 | Miravlix | and it's as clear as mud what they have done, I can't tell what solution they are using |
| 20:27.08 | Miravlix | no |
| 20:27.24 | Elkano | I wonder why the size depends upon level since you wont aquire the other keys before that levels, will you? |
| 20:27.37 | JoshBorke | i try to log in to make a post on the UI section, and it fills my info with: Gateway: wow Account: Anonymous |
| 20:27.43 | Miravlix | 1-40 = 4 slots |
| 20:27.48 | Miravlix | Sounds scary |
| 20:27.55 | Shouryuu_ | the servers are down for me Josh|Work |
| 20:28.01 | Shouryuu_ | JoshBorke |
| 20:28.01 | Miravlix | Where do you equip the key ring container? |
| 20:28.05 | Elkano | well, Gnomeregan and SM... which else? |
| 20:28.45 | zenzio | could be they'll add more keys later? |
| 20:28.48 | JoshBorke | if anyone is still logged into the forums: https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=355517&p=1&tmp=1#post355517 gets a response of 'adapt http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4729' |
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| 20:31.57 | JoshBorke | totally bizarre... |
| 20:32.06 | JoshBorke | i'm still logged into the forums as anonymous |
| 20:35.12 | Miravlix | JoshBorke, Quite common thing when the World Server of all the worlds you have chars on is down |
| 20:35.55 | Miravlix | You get Account login as one stage, then the account login talk to the world server database to get chars. |
| 20:36.44 | ckknight | would it be useful to have a function that did func("Power Word: Fortitude") == "Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Holy_WordFortitude" ? (fully localized, of course) |
| 20:37.16 | JoshBorke | /crp |
| 20:37.26 | JoshBorke | s/\/crp/\/cry |
| 20:37.30 | JoshBorke | *sigh*- |
| 20:37.43 | JoshBorke | s/-// |
| 20:37.50 | ckknight | ... |
| 20:38.15 | kremonte | question: is there an equivalent of GetItemInfo() for enchant: links? |
| 20:39.18 | [MoonWolf] | don't think so |
| 20:39.25 | kremonte | >_< |
| 20:39.31 | Kirov | Was curious about that too, actually. |
| 20:39.35 | kremonte | so there's no way to retrieve enchant links on the fly huh |
| 20:39.38 | kremonte | yeah iwa s looking for it for awhile |
| 20:41.18 | Kirov | I think they're all client side |
| 20:41.24 | Kirov | so it might not matter |
| 20:42.10 | Kirov | I actually haven't looked at how enchanting links are formated though |
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| 20:47.30 | Miravlix | GetItemEnchant() |
| 20:47.53 | Miravlix | GetWeaponEnchantInfo() |
| 20:47.59 | Miravlix | Second one is API |
| 20:47.59 | kremonte | Miravlix: not of an item |
| 20:48.16 | kremonte | Miravlix: enchant info from the ID |
| 20:48.20 | kremonte | (of an enchant LINK) |
| 20:48.28 | kremonte | (ie enchant:xxxx) |
| 20:49.18 | Miravlix | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetWeaponEnchantInfo |
| 20:49.31 | kremonte | not of weapons... |
| 20:49.32 | kremonte | -_-" |
| 20:49.38 | kremonte | that id is inventory id |
| 20:50.02 | Miravlix | Huh? |
| 20:50.08 | Miravlix | What ID are you talking about? |
| 20:50.08 | Kirov | weird |
| 20:50.11 | kremonte | do you know what an enchant links..? |
| 20:50.17 | kremonte | s/links/link is/ |
| 20:50.51 | Kirov | Since 1.10 I've noticed you're able to see both enchants on people's weapons when you inspect them. |
| 20:50.55 | Kirov | in 1.9 you couldn't |
| 20:50.57 | kremonte | Kirov: yup |
| 20:50.59 | Miravlix | I listed the only API call for what Blizzard calls enchant |
| 20:51.09 | Miravlix | It's very limited |
| 20:51.10 | kremonte | |cffffffff|Henchant:####|h[Enchant: XXXX - XXXX]|h|r |
| 20:51.15 | kremonte | that's what i'm talking about |
| 20:51.46 | kremonte | in relation to |cffffffff|Hitem:###:0:0:0|h[XXXX]|h|r <-> GetItemInfo(####) |
| 20:51.54 | Miravlix | And I quoted you the only API function that is |
| 20:52.21 | Miravlix | And it isn't usefull for much |
| 20:54.16 | Miravlix | So it doesn't look like we can do much with enchant links yet. |
| 20:57.42 | Kirov | unless they're all in the client already, in which case there would be no need for that kind of function. |
| 20:57.49 | Kirov | (apart from it being a ton faster) |
| 20:58.08 | kremonte | it's possible just to setitemref() them and read the tooltip |
| 20:58.09 | kremonte | but um |
| 20:58.13 | kremonte | you set an invalid id -> dc |
| 20:58.45 | Kirov | even for enchants? |
| 20:58.49 | kremonte | yes |
| 20:58.56 | Kirov | ok, then not client |
| 20:59.46 | Kirov | omg, Mr. Roboto on the internet radio station |
| 21:00.43 | Kirov | Someone requested that song at my High School prom. Never seen a dance floor clear off faster than that before. |
| 21:00.56 | kremonte | rofl |
| 21:03.01 | Kirov | wow forums == unhappy |
| 21:03.34 | JoshBorke | bye all :-) |
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| 21:05.53 | Kirov | kremonte - have you tried GetItemInfo("enchant:xxx") |
| 21:05.56 | kremonte | yes |
| 21:06.04 | Kirov | assuming it returned nil |
| 21:06.24 | kremonte | yes |
| 21:07.04 | Kirov | hmm |
| 21:07.33 | Kirov | Anyone else notice the icon for the anonymous log in is "World of Warcraft, BETA" |
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| 21:09.35 | Kirov | "ANCHOR_PRESERVE" - new anchor type? |
| 21:09.36 | duke|ib | anonymous login? |
| 21:09.39 | duke|ib | er log |
| 21:09.43 | Shouryuu_ | ToastTheif Did you get the CDs? |
| 21:09.51 | ToastTheif | ya |
| 21:10.05 | Shouryuu_ | coool :p |
| 21:10.06 | ToastTheif | now I need to find my iPod usb coord.. |
| 21:10.15 | Shouryuu_ | hehe |
| 21:10.52 | Iriel | ANCHOR_PRESERVE is a tooltip owner type, I think it's always been there |
| 21:10.57 | Iriel | it's not a SetPoint anchor point |
| 21:11.13 | Kirov | it's non on wowwiki |
| 21:11.21 | Kirov | er, not on wowwiki |
| 21:11.27 | Kirov | gunna add |
| 21:11.28 | kremonte | Iriel - do you have any ideas on my dillema>? |
| 21:13.45 | Iriel | I haven't read your dilema yet, one moment |
| 21:15.50 | Iriel | Hm, I think you may be SOL 8-) But since you're protecting against disconnection, you should follow the same rules as for item links, namely: If you didn't see it FROM the server this session, dont use it. |
| 21:16.02 | Iriel | Of course, that doesn't help what I think you're trying to do one little bit |
| 21:16.16 | kremonte | well for item links, if it's returned from GetItemInfo() it's, for the most part, valid |
| 21:16.21 | kremonte | can't really do that |
| 21:16.24 | Iriel | But it's not |
| 21:16.25 | kremonte | so... |
| 21:16.28 | kremonte | is it worth a request? hehe |
| 21:16.30 | Iriel | and if slouken catches you saying that he'll beat you |
| 21:16.39 | Iriel | We almost didn't get GetItemInfo because people kept saying that's what it meant |
| 21:16.45 | Iriel | And he didn't want to deal with them afterwards |
| 21:17.42 | Iriel | It MIGHT be worth a request but I imagine you'll need to justify it with something other than 'I want to scan for valid enchants' |
| 21:18.01 | Kirov | It's a decent enough check if you only play on a single server ... and for some reason deleted your WDB folder every time the server reset. ;) |
| 21:18.28 | kremonte | oh, no Iriel |
| 21:18.38 | kremonte | it's for searching for enchants and their materials |
| 21:18.48 | kremonte | which is impossible unless you have enchanting and said enchant, or a big puffy database |
| 21:24.00 | Kirov | hmm ... if the plans for making an item have been seen on a server, but no one has learned it, does the item those plans make become valid on the server too? |
| 21:24.35 | Kirov | no |
| 21:25.27 | Kirov | thinking that a referenced item in a tooltip would validate it, but it doesn't work that way for sets so it wouldn't for plans either |
| 21:27.47 | kremonte | lol a new initiate in my guild was on a level 8 NE warrior |
| 21:28.30 | zenzio | I hope there's more to this story |
| 21:28.35 | kremonte | and asked me for a summon to IF |
| 21:28.38 | kremonte | when i was farming NR in mara |
| 21:28.41 | kremonte | he was like |
| 21:28.44 | kremonte | "umm... hearth?" |
| 21:29.01 | Kirov | heh |
| 21:29.06 | zenzio | o_O |
| 21:29.20 | zenzio | where was he? |
| 21:29.20 | Kirov | "You're a warlock, you should be happy that someone wants a hearth!" |
| 21:29.27 | kremonte | in teldrassil |
| 21:29.29 | kremonte | so i'm like |
| 21:29.32 | kremonte | ok, hearthing |
| 21:29.37 | kremonte | but i just res in mara, zone out |
| 21:29.41 | kremonte | and we summon him to mara |
| 21:29.46 | kremonte | he whispers me "lol.. summon to mara?" |
| 21:29.53 | kremonte | i told him his screen was bugged or something |
| 21:29.59 | kremonte | accepts, gets 1 shot |
| 21:30.04 | kremonte | pally resses him..accepts, gets 1 shot |
| 21:30.11 | kremonte | spirit resses, curses me out, and logs |
| 21:30.51 | kremonte | mmm that's what he gets for being rude, eh? |
| 21:31.12 | Kirov | Weren't we having a discussion about how 14 year olds weren't the problem? |
| 21:31.19 | kremonte | hm? |
| 21:31.22 | kremonte | he was rude and demanding |
| 21:31.31 | kremonte | so i gave him what he deserved /shrug |
| 21:31.37 | Kirov | hehehe |
| 21:31.49 | Kirov | exactly. |
| 21:32.10 | kremonte | oh yeah, cryptically talking down to me because i'm 14 doesn't work by now |
| 21:32.27 | Kirov | too bad you can summon people in to lava |
| 21:33.52 | Kirov | If I have a lock summon me, ignoring summons for raids or if it's my girlfriend playing, I always give them at least 1g for their service |
| 21:34.28 | Kirov | It's can be such a bitch just trying to find 2 extra people to help with the summon, especially if you're trying to get to Desolace |
| 21:35.01 | Kirov | like /who Desolace will return 5 people, and 3 of them will be 60s in Mauradon |
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| 21:36.04 | Guillotine | wow. we're really starting to have lots of people in here o.0 |
| 21:36.40 | Adrine | I can leave :( |
| 21:36.46 | kremonte | we like you here <3 |
| 21:36.58 | Guillotine | its not a bad thing :) except for kremonte and shouryuu |
| 21:37.00 | Guillotine | they can leave |
| 21:37.09 | Kirov | especially shouryuu |
| 21:37.20 | kremonte | ... |
| 21:37.21 | kremonte | fine. |
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| 21:37.26 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:37.33 | Iriel | Kremonte: I guess you could ask, but then what about all the other tradeskills/crafts? |
| 21:37.50 | Kirov | perfect timing |
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| 21:38.09 | kremonte | lol :p |
| 21:38.17 | kremonte | <3 #wowi-lounge |
| 21:38.26 | kremonte | as far as the other tradeskills/crafts - |
| 21:38.32 | kremonte | there aren't specific links for them as there are enchants |
| 21:38.41 | Kirov | kremonte - while you were gone Iriel gave us the answer to everything, but we're sworn to secrecy. |
| 21:38.56 | kremonte | ... T_T |
| 21:39.40 | Kirov | well, actually, there are |
| 21:39.53 | Kirov | they're just all items |
| 21:39.55 | Kirov | heh |
| 21:40.09 | kremonte | note the delimiter |
| 21:40.10 | kremonte | specific :p |
| 21:40.25 | Kirov | bah |
| 21:41.00 | Kirov | we gots no place for big words here, like delimiter, specific, or note |
| 21:41.51 | Guillotine | note is a four letter word... I wouldn't exactly call that 'big' |
| 21:42.03 | Guillotine | lol Iriel. did you see http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=353864&p=1&tmp=1#post353864 ? |
| 21:43.23 | Iriel | kremonte: I guess you could ask, but then what about all the other tradeskills/crafts? |
| 21:44.19 | Iriel | My point, is that asking for a mechanism to enumerate ingredients for enchanting seems to be a larger question than just enchant links |
| 21:44.51 | Iriel | Though I understand that enchanting is the only one where that information is 'exposed' to others |
| 21:45.36 | Kirov | Asking for anything more would be like asking for unique mod ids |
| 21:46.26 | kremonte | Iriel: other tradeskills would be nice, but as of now enchants ARE the only ones :p |
| 21:46.33 | Iriel | In theory you could use an enchanter to enumerate all the valid links |
| 21:46.44 | kremonte | yes, but no enchanter has all enchants ;p |
| 21:46.46 | Iriel | Then just store those in your saved variables and look details up at runtime |
| 21:46.59 | Iriel | And THAT is I suspect why you wouldn't get your request satisfied anyway |
| 21:47.09 | kremonte | well yes, but it's a big puffy database :/ |
| 21:47.17 | kremonte | and i think what i was leaning torwards |
| 21:47.19 | Iriel | How puffy could it be? |
| 21:47.32 | kremonte | how does ItemRef get data for enchants? |
| 21:47.34 | kremonte | from enchant links |
| 21:47.45 | Kirov | SetHyperlink |
| 21:47.53 | kremonte | that sets the link.. |
| 21:47.59 | kremonte | i mean, get the data from it |
| 21:48.03 | kremonte | obviously an internal function |
| 21:48.57 | Tem | Anyone seen Gello's thread about dynamic frames? |
| 21:49.06 | Iriel | Yes |
| 21:49.07 | Tem | I'm confused by the 'answer' |
| 21:49.16 | Iriel | I was too, until I re-read the question |
| 21:49.16 | Kirov | same |
| 21:49.17 | Tem | We don't have a way to set a frame to toplevel |
| 21:49.35 | Iriel | the problem wasn't his dynamic frames interfering with each other |
| 21:49.43 | Iriel | it was his dynamic frames interfering with OTHER buttons |
| 21:49.50 | Tem | oooooh |
| 21:49.51 | Iriel | Or at least, that's how I now read it, I should try the addon I suppose |
| 21:50.05 | Iriel | But getting on and off last night wasn't an option |
| 21:50.28 | Tem | I would very much like to hear his opinion on all things gui |
| 21:50.37 | Iriel | I think he'd be a good addition too |
| 21:50.44 | Iriel | Chances are he just has better self control than the rest of us |
| 21:50.45 | Adrine | Heh. I couldn't play last night, so I learned how to use pygame more and played stickarena. :) |
| 21:50.56 | Tem | Iriel: lol |
| 21:51.00 | Iriel | this channel does make quite a hit on my work productivity |
| 21:51.29 | Tem | I find I do about the same |
| 21:51.54 | Tem | I've just been spending less and less time doing stuff for/with my guild |
| 21:52.00 | Kirov | "*** Gello has joined #WOWi-lounge." |
| 21:52.00 | Kirov | "Kirov: Hey Gello, whens the next Recap coming out?" |
| 21:52.00 | Kirov | "*** Gello has left #WOWi-lounge." |
| 21:52.22 | Tem | which I don't have all that much of a problem with since I'm sorta sick of raiding |
| 21:52.41 | Adrine | Same here, Tem. |
| 21:52.47 | Tem | MC is such a chore |
| 21:52.59 | Kirov | done with MC, fortunatly. |
| 21:53.08 | Adrine | Pretty much since 1.10 hit, I've just been completely meh about playing WoW in general. The only reason I've logged on in the past 2 weeks has been addon stuff. |
| 21:53.10 | Kirov | though now AQ is just as bad |
| 21:53.59 | Tem | aye, me too |
| 21:54.08 | Tem | I still haven't bothered to fix my interface on my main |
| 21:54.25 | Adrine | Yup. |
| 21:54.34 | Adrine | I dinked with Discord a bit, but it's just so tedious. |
| 21:54.40 | Adrine | I set up my hotkeys and that's about it. |
| 21:54.56 | Tem | I'm in the process of a major overhaul |
| 21:55.07 | Tem | dumping a lot of things I don't really need |
| 21:55.34 | Tem | unfortunately that puts me without a bar addon |
| 21:55.54 | Tem | I'm supposed to be writing one.... |
| 21:56.03 | Tain | Yes, yes you are. |
| 21:56.08 | Tem | that's what I get for having like 5 projects open at once |
| 21:56.33 | Kirov | TemBar? |
| 21:56.49 | Tem | The working title was FooBar |
| 21:57.01 | Tem | but since BP was just renamed to FuBar, I need a new one |
| 21:57.05 | Tain | What's the deal with ItemCompare too? You just abandoning that? |
| 21:57.15 | Tem | not abandoned |
| 21:57.26 | Kirov | I have a hard time thinking about making a bar mod, so many out there already. |
| 21:57.34 | Tain | It's for the best, it's not a very good name. |
| 21:57.47 | Tem | Tain: Agreed |
| 21:57.48 | ckknight | sorry, Tem |
| 21:57.51 | Adrine | CerealBar |
| 21:57.54 | ckknight | mmm |
| 21:57.58 | ckknight | hey, I have cereal! |
| 21:57.58 | Tem | Tain: I was strongly considering changing it anyway |
| 21:57.59 | kremonte | CandyBar? lolol |
| 21:58.06 | Tem | I'm working on a major overhaul to the parsing system for ItemCompare |
| 21:58.10 | Adrine | CandyBar would be awesome if it came with OSX-type graphics |
| 21:58.19 | Kirov | Call it TainBar |
| 21:58.32 | Adrine | Of course, you could make it a bottom-of-the-screen bar |
| 21:58.35 | Adrine | And call it ToplessBar |
| 21:58.38 | Tain | haha |
| 21:58.40 | Tem | I'm just not satisfied with the brute-force method out there |
| 21:59.02 | Kirov | Actually, that was the one reason I could think of for making my own bar mod, was a mac os style scrolly bar |
| 21:59.11 | Tain | Oh just get away from using Bar or Panel or any of that in the name in the first place. |
| 21:59.26 | Tain | Call it.. mmm.. Hotel Coral Essex |
| 21:59.33 | Adrine | UberButtonArrrayXtreme |
| 21:59.39 | Kirov | "Not Crappy Action Buttons" |
| 21:59.45 | Adrine | CLICK THE PRETTY SQUARES |
| 21:59.50 | Adrine | That would make an awesome addon name |
| 21:59.53 | Tain | YABA |
| 21:59.58 | Tain | Yet Another Bar Addon |
| 22:00.03 | Adrine | Just call it Dabbado |
| 22:00.03 | Tem | Screw it |
| 22:00.07 | Kirov | ABBA? |
| 22:00.09 | Tem | I'm just going to *nix on it |
| 22:00.13 | Tain | haha Click the pretty squares is an awesome name |
| 22:00.17 | Tem | I'll call it PottedPlants or something |
| 22:00.19 | kremonte | Yabanix |
| 22:00.19 | Kirov | Another Bottom Bar Addon |
| 22:00.29 | Adrine | I like my name. |
| 22:00.39 | Tem | I've made my decision |
| 22:00.46 | Adrine | "Anyone know if CLICK THE PRETTY SQUARES is updated for 1.11?" |
| 22:00.47 | Tem | the name will be something completely unrelated to it's function |
| 22:00.49 | Tain | PottenPlants it is! |
| 22:00.55 | Tain | And all addons can be called Seeds! |
| 22:00.58 | Adrine | Awesome. |
| 22:01.07 | Adrine | The core library should be called Roots |
| 22:01.15 | Tain | I'll start on my first one called "Feed Me Seymore" |
| 22:01.19 | Adrine | Hahahah |
| 22:01.23 | Tem | oh god, you people are taking it seriously |
| 22:01.25 | Tain | I don't know what it'll do yet. |
| 22:01.34 | AnduinLothar | uh oh, sounds like you're going for alex's fames abstract lib name method |
| 22:01.43 | AnduinLothar | famed* |
| 22:01.45 | Adrine | Abstract isn't necessarily bad |
| 22:01.49 | Adrine | The themed set is nifty |
| 22:02.07 | Tain | Call it, "The Bar Which Must Not Be Named" |
| 22:02.09 | Adrine | I named "Sanity" what I did because I was trying to do a guild bank for approximately 700 characters |
| 22:02.11 | AnduinLothar | dunno, i kinda like PrettySquares |
| 22:02.14 | Tem | AnduinLothar: it's in the OpenSource style. Pick a name that has absolutely no connection to the project's function" |
| 22:02.16 | Adrine | And because it was making me go crazy. |
| 22:02.40 | Adrine | I'm going to call my next addon "AddOn" |
| 22:02.47 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:03.00 | Tain | Can you call an addon AddOns? Confuse a lot of people. |
| 22:03.05 | Tain | put the AddOns folder in your AddOns folder |
| 22:03.16 | Adrine | Is your addons folder in your addons folder? |
| 22:03.24 | Adrine | "But I can't put a folder in itself!" |
| 22:03.27 | Adrine | No, no, put the addons in the addons |
| 22:03.30 | AnduinLothar | i can imaging the installation instructions: Put the AddOn in your AddOn folder... |
| 22:03.44 | Tain | Cyclic Redundancy addon |
| 22:03.56 | AnduinLothar | IAmAVirus |
| 22:04.01 | Tain | SpyWare |
| 22:04.02 | Adrine | PasswordStealer |
| 22:04.06 | Adrine | That's my next one's name. |
| 22:04.09 | Tem | Who had to name all the addon API functions with "AddOn" instead of "Addon" ? |
| 22:04.13 | Adrine | Either that or AccountHacker |
| 22:04.18 | AnduinLothar | I actually made one names SpeedHack a while back |
| 22:04.19 | Tain | Yeah I've wondered that too Tem. |
| 22:04.26 | Adrine | We need to do this. |
| 22:04.30 | Tain | Actually.. |
| 22:04.36 | Tem | I seriously get like 4-5 "attempt to call a nil value" every time I try to use those functions |
| 22:04.38 | Adrine | We need to release a library of very useful addons with highly scary names. |
| 22:04.51 | Adrine | We can call it "Hax" |
| 22:04.56 | Tain | I think I'll redo all of Saien's addons and call them, "SaienSucksInfo" "SaienSucksBar" |
| 22:04.57 | Tem | I'm still planning to make MailEnhancement |
| 22:05.02 | Adrine | Tem, I think I love you. |
| 22:05.12 | Tem | lol |
| 22:05.17 | AnduinLothar | I'll just take half of cosmos and rename the addons |
| 22:05.32 | Tain | Yeah that's the case of getting a great addon name a while back before ever having a true addon for it. :) |
| 22:05.33 | AnduinLothar | or make a compilation called CosmosSucks |
| 22:05.40 | Tain | Oh damn I'm gonna be late. |
| 22:05.48 | Tem | AnduinLothar: I think there is one |
| 22:05.56 | AnduinLothar | lol, wherE? |
| 22:05.59 | Tem | not sure |
| 22:06.08 | Tem | but I could swear I've seen it |
| 22:06.43 | AnduinLothar | maybe make a porn compilation and name all the addons after girl's names |
| 22:06.54 | Tem | >< |
| 22:07.36 | AnduinLothar | Emily's misbehaving, can you slap her with some bug fixes? |
| 22:09.05 | AnduinLothar | maybe make a HoesInALine that catigorizes you friends list by sex with all the girls on top with sudonyms of porn stars |
| 22:09.33 | Adrine | heh |
| 22:09.36 | Guillotine | lol |
| 22:09.48 | Guillotine | you have to include it in 1.11 |
| 22:09.53 | Guillotine | make it an official addon |
| 22:10.00 | Guillotine | can you imagine the PR? |
| 22:10.29 | AnduinLothar | Shouldn't be too hard, I'll just use the FriendsFacts code |
| 22:10.55 | AnduinLothar | anyone got a list of porn star names? |
| 22:11.05 | Adrine | I imagine it can't be that hard to come by. |
| 22:11.12 | Tem | Iriel: slouken needs some cookies |
| 22:11.40 | Tem | 16 by my count |
| 22:11.44 | AnduinLothar | too bad i didn't think of it last week i coulda done it for the 1st |
| 22:11.59 | Tem | ~give slouken a cookie |
| 22:12.01 | purl | ACTION gives slouken a home-baked fortune cookie to cheer him up. |
| 22:12.09 | Tem | ~give slouken a pie |
| 22:12.11 | purl | ACTION gives slouken a home-baked custard pie |
| 22:12.15 | Tem | ~give slouken a cake |
| 22:12.16 | purl | ACTION gives a cake to slouken |
| 22:12.36 | Guillotine | ~lart Tem |
| 22:12.37 | AnduinLothar | ~give slouken a new car |
| 22:12.39 | purl | ACTION gives a new car to slouken |
| 22:12.52 | Tem | ~whaleblock tem |
| 22:12.53 | purl | ACTION shields tem with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
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| 22:14.58 | Adrine | ...whaleblock? |
| 22:16.31 | Shouryuu_ | sooo thirsty |
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| 22:52.47 | zenzio | I want arrows that, if the target isn't already aggroed, silences it for a few seconds |
| 22:59.10 | ForgottenLords | lol |
| 23:06.44 | Kirov | isn't that a wyvern shot? |
| 23:06.55 | zenzio | no idea what a wyvern shot is |
| 23:07.15 | Kirov | 31 point talent in the hunter survival tree |
| 23:07.28 | zenzio | I don't have access to hunter talents though :| |
| 23:07.34 | Kirov | sleep a target out that's out of combat for 6 seconds |
| 23:08.15 | zenzio | sleep wouldn't help me, I'd need a silence so the mob would come to me instead of just stand there casting bad stuff at me |
| 23:08.44 | Kirov | ah |
| 23:09.00 | zenzio | <-- warrior |
| 23:09.01 | Kirov | hmm |
| 23:09.32 | Kirov | slouken's latest post "fixed for 1.10.2 |
| 23:09.33 | Kirov | me tinks 1.10.1 out tuesday? |
| 23:09.33 | Kaelten | ello |
| 23:10.54 | zenzio | there's something bad happening this time of day every day... suddenly my latency skyrockets >.< |
| 23:10.59 | Codayus | zenzio: use arcane bombs, or whatever they're called. |
| 23:11.10 | Codayus | don't they silence? |
| 23:12.25 | zenzio | seems like they do |
| 23:12.44 | zenzio | requires engineering though |
| 23:16.48 | ForgottenLords | and incredibly expensive |
| 23:20.29 | Iriel | Did anyone read this thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=354399&p=1&tmp=1#post354399 |
| 23:20.57 | Iriel | And if so, can you tell me how that's NOT just a tooltip positioning issue? Did I miss some subtlety of the issue? |
| 23:21.40 | zenzio | hrm... WoW says my latency is 2400, but it responds to my actions immediately |
| 23:23.05 | Tem | zenzio: I had that issue last week |
| 23:23.13 | Tem | super high latency but everything was fine |
| 23:23.23 | Iriel | Hey, what happened to IsTopLevel and SetTopLevel |
| 23:23.32 | Iriel | Are we getting those pre-1.11? |
| 23:23.52 | Iriel | Ooh, we are |
| 23:23.58 | Iriel | And he's fixing button text |
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| 23:29.40 | Shouryuu_ | night folks |
| 23:37.40 | cladhaire | *gasp* |
| 23:37.48 | cladhaire | he gave us Model:GetModel()? |
| 23:38.16 | cladhaire | That opens up a can of worms for uniquely identifying mobs |
| 23:40.47 | Iriel | heh |
| 23:40.59 | Iriel | I wonder if he'll be mean and make it only work if you called Model:SetModel beforehand 8-) |
| 23:41.19 | Iriel | (I doubt it, i'm just trying to think of how he could dangle the candy without actually giving it to us) |
| 23:41.40 | zenzio | is it not possible to uniquely identify mobs now then? |
| 23:41.57 | cladhaire | zenzio: Thats' correct.. closest we have is name, sex and level |
| 23:42.15 | cladhaire | this now gives us models, which tend to be much more unique. |
| 23:43.45 | Kirov | not really, no |
| 23:43.53 | Kirov | models get used over and over and over |
| 23:43.57 | Kirov | the textures change |
| 23:44.14 | zenzio | is this for mobs that share a name but differ in class? |
| 23:44.19 | Kirov | we aren't getting a getmodeltextures() though |
| 23:47.42 | cladhaire | *very true.. but its another piece of the pizzle =) |
| 23:49.11 | zenzio | I'm probably just being slow, but where/when would this be useful? |
| 23:49.14 | Kirov | meh |
| 23:49.40 | Kirov | not sure if it'll be any more "uniquely identifying" than the existing set of functions |
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| 23:51.35 | Kirov | not really sure |
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