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| 00:27.21 | krka | managed to get grab working Legorol? :) |
| 00:27.51 | Legorol | my computer is fried at the mo, can't get much if anything working |
| 00:28.01 | Legorol | i'm using a substitue P3 300 MHz |
| 00:28.04 | Legorol | at least i can read email |
| 00:29.50 | krka | ouch |
| 00:29.57 | krka | that must suck :/ |
| 00:30.03 | krka | i'd go crazy if my computer crashed |
| 00:39.02 | Kemayo | ckknight: You around? |
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| 00:42.27 | Kemayo | I kill with the merest mention, apparently. |
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| 01:12.56 | Guillotine | whats wrong with http://wow.pastebin.com/639029 ? |
| 01:12.58 | Guillotine | it keeps giving an error |
| 01:13.42 | Kemayo | Line 9: You haven't closed the quotes on the first "player". |
| 01:14.15 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 01:14.20 | Guillotine | I knew it was a stupid mistake |
| 01:14.23 | Guillotine | its always a stupid mistake |
| 01:14.48 | Kemayo | I've spent hours searching for similar mistakes, I admit. |
| 01:14.50 | zenzelezz | I hate logical errors... syntax errors are fine |
| 01:15.58 | zenzelezz | in C++, I had trouble with a loading routine. Spent hours trying to figure why it sometimes worked, sometimes didn't. I still don't know why it loaded some files fine, but the problem was simple... had used "||" instead of "|" when setting flags in the open function :| |
| 01:16.19 | Guillotine | I just about never have logical errors. its always forgetting some miniscule symbol or not capitalizing a letter |
| 01:16.44 | zenzelezz | wish that was true for me :p Alas, my mind is mostly to blame |
| 01:16.56 | Iriel | One of my longest running C++ bugs was caused by boolean x; and then if (x) and if (!x) both executing |
| 01:17.11 | Corrodias | it worked sometimes because || most likely just returns the first one if it isn't false. |
| 01:17.14 | Corrodias | that is, if it isn't 0. |
| 01:17.56 | Iriel | Turns out the compiler's allowed to initialize a bool with a vlaue that isn't true, or false. |
| 01:18.06 | zenzelezz | but the flags should (I thought) be static and compiled into the program? Either way, it worked with small files, but not with larger files |
| 01:18.21 | Corrodias | in LUA, it works like if x != 0, then x || y == x, so it's probably similar in C/C++ |
| 01:18.36 | Iriel | C++ evaluates it to a boolean expression |
| 01:18.39 | Corrodias | except in LUA instead of 0 it has to be "false" but you know what i mean |
| 01:18.41 | Iriel | so 0 and 1, I think |
| 01:18.49 | Iriel | or is it 0 and -1, It's been too long |
| 01:18.59 | Iriel | but it does short circuit, like lua |
| 01:19.03 | Corrodias | C and C++ don't have actual booleans, do they? i thought it was "0 is false, anything else is true" |
| 01:19.12 | Iriel | C++ has a 'bool' type |
| 01:19.17 | Iriel | with true and false as its values |
| 01:19.21 | zenzelezz | strictly speaking, it's just "true" and "false" in C++... but naturally, 0 and non-0 in practice |
| 01:19.24 | Iriel | but generally it's implemented as a char or int |
| 01:19.30 | Corrodias | if you compile 10 || 20, it will -always- be 10, so yes, it just compiles down to 10 |
| 01:19.41 | Iriel | however, negating a bool can be a bitwise operation |
| 01:21.00 | Iriel | Corrodias : Not in C++ it isnt, it'll always compile down to 1 |
| 01:21.06 | zenzelezz | one of my other "logical" errors that took me a long time to figure was why my CRC function didn't work when it had before... I'm sure you can all guess that it boiled down to me telling it to calculate the CRC on the wrong buffer >.< |
| 01:21.08 | Iriel | Corrodias : C also |
| 01:21.26 | Corrodias | interesting. well, i guess 1 was a valid flag, sometimes. |
| 01:24.50 | zenzelezz | I learned to hate other people's code when I tried to use GMP in VC++ once... upon leaving the function where I used GMP functions, the debugger threw a fit about something with the heap. Can't remember how I solved that one |
| 01:26.50 | Corrodias | what is GMP? |
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| 01:28.02 | zenzelezz | "GMP is a free library for arbitrary precision arithmetic, operating on signed integers, rational numbers, and floating point numbers." GNU-something-something, can't remember what exactly the name is |
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| 01:28.57 | zenzelezz | it occurs to me that I'm giving off an impression that I'm not a stellar coder :o Of course, I'm not, but I could at least have pretended \o/ |
| 01:30.58 | zenzelezz | "GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic Library". Needed some sort of big integer function(s) to generate a login key for a program I was testing |
| 01:36.28 | Osagasu | AQ is opening on Twisting Nether... |
| 01:36.35 | Osagasu | Horde have control of the gates |
| 01:36.54 | Osagasu | Only one guild has the scepter... an alliance one |
| 01:36.56 | Osagasu | >.< |
| 01:37.37 | zenzelezz | I remember the day they opened the gates on my server... bad memories... getting pwned by a scorpion that was grey to me |
| 01:40.20 | zenzelezz | I guess Twisting Nether is a PvP server? |
| 01:58.33 | Guillotine | AnduinLothar: What type of reports about wardrobe? |
| 01:58.48 | Guillotine | errors or just things not functioning as usual? |
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| 02:15.02 | KarlKFI | is there a jump or attack ground arrow icon somewhere?like the jump arrow with an X from the attack ground on catipults in war3 |
| 02:16.12 | Guillotine | don't think so |
| 02:17.37 | KarlKFI | there has to be.. |
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| 02:27.16 | Guillotine | you mean in WoW? |
| 02:27.16 | kremonte | ahahaha i got it! |
| 02:27.19 | kremonte | "Je Tem" |
| 02:27.23 | kremonte | ahahahahahahah! |
| 02:27.28 | Guillotine | oh boy. what did you do now? |
| 02:27.34 | kremonte | "Je Tem" |
| 02:27.49 | KarlKFI | yes, in wow |
| 02:27.59 | kremonte | i was sitting at my mom's house eating dinner and it just popped up. "Je Tem" is pronounced the same as "Je t'aime" |
| 02:28.02 | kremonte | which means "I love you" |
| 02:28.12 | kremonte | that's funny |
| 02:28.16 | Guillotine | and where did you see Je Tem? |
| 02:28.22 | kremonte | i didn't. i was thinking of irc. |
| 02:28.27 | Guillotine | you are very random |
| 02:28.37 | kremonte | i'm 14 years old, that's my career |
| 02:28.51 | kremonte | to be random/annoying/lol at people who don't know lua because i have no self confidence |
| 02:28.57 | kremonte | lol you don't know lua! |
| 02:29.01 | kremonte | oh wait yes you do |
| 02:29.58 | kremonte | you guys are no fun |
| 02:29.58 | kremonte | =/ |
| 02:30.58 | kremonte | <3 |
| 02:32.01 | Crispix | NOOOO :( |
| 02:32.08 | Crispix | my prepaid time has expired :( |
| 02:32.13 | KarlKFI | repay |
| 02:32.18 | Wobin_ | It's the end of an era |
| 02:35.26 | kremonte | ok so we have |
| 02:35.29 | kremonte | EnterTAINment |
| 02:35.31 | kremonte | Je Tem |
| 02:35.34 | kremonte | Shoe Dragon |
| 02:36.32 | Wobin_ | Shoe Dragon? |
| 02:38.31 | kremonte | shouryuu |
| 02:38.34 | kremonte | shou - shoe |
| 02:38.37 | kremonte | ryu = dragon |
| 02:38.40 | kremonte | shoe dragon ^_^ |
| 02:39.06 | Wobin_ | oh =P |
| 02:40.03 | kremonte | haha |
| 02:40.18 | kremonte | grinding on warrior and i've been seeing this guy "LF1M TANK MARA 48+" |
| 02:40.24 | kremonte | the minute i hit 48 he whispers me :O |
| 02:40.45 | MentalPower | I'm curious what you come up with my name :) |
| 02:41.40 | kremonte | ephemeral power lolol |
| 02:41.42 | kremonte | that was unfunny |
| 02:41.44 | kremonte | i'm sorry. |
| 02:43.34 | kremonte | today in french i learned that there's a word that's spelled almost exactly the same as my old nick (crémonte) |
| 02:43.36 | kremonte | fun times |
| 02:44.28 | kremonte | okay, this sucks. now that i'm in here, nobody talks |
| 02:45.02 | Iriel | sorry, coding and eating |
| 02:45.18 | kremonte | yeah but i can' |
| 02:45.21 | kremonte | can't talk to you |
| 02:45.24 | kremonte | i always feel stupid :( |
| 02:45.43 | MentalPower | scanning the AH, and trying to decipher what "inbox mailer" is (for a user in #CosmosTesters) |
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| 02:46.55 | kremonte | Tem! |
| 02:46.59 | kremonte | Je Tem |
| 02:47.07 | zenzelezz | I hate when elite giants sneak up on me |
| 02:47.20 | kremonte | i know, right |
| 02:47.22 | kremonte | they're so sneaky |
| 02:47.24 | Iriel | Whee, my devtools chat frame even thing appears to work |
| 02:47.40 | Wobin_ | It's the elite humungous giant lizards that sneak that get to me... |
| 02:47.58 | Wobin_ | It's like dooty dooty dooo.... RAAWR. |
| 02:48.10 | kremonte | eh, me, volchan seems to stealth on me |
| 02:48.21 | kremonte | it's so annoying when volchan just pops out of invisible, right? |
| 02:48.25 | zenzelezz | I was fighting a Black Broodling and Volchan aggroed me |
| 02:48.52 | MentalPower | Iriel: can we expect an update to statrings anytime soon? or has it been permanently moved to the backburner? |
| 02:50.20 | Iriel | MentalPower : It's only temporarily there, it'll be changing again soon enough |
| 02:50.39 | MentalPower | :) |
| 02:50.52 | MentalPower | just wondering :) |
| 02:51.27 | Iriel | MentalPower : It's a good question 8-) |
| 02:52.39 | MentalPower | general question: can enchant tooltips cause disconnects like item tooltips do? |
| 02:53.12 | Iriel | Interesting question, about which I have no idea 8-) |
| 02:54.03 | MentalPower | guess I'll have to find out the hard way |
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| 02:59.36 | Guillotine | ooooo. cool bug. I can afk out of a BG without getting deserter debuff :D |
| 02:59.59 | Guillotine | I knew SoR had a purpose |
| 03:00.03 | Guillotine | since its pointless with lag :/ |
| 03:00.32 | MentalPower | SoR? |
| 03:01.51 | Guillotine | spirit of redemption |
| 03:02.05 | Wobin_ | yeah =( |
| 03:02.12 | MentalPower | whats the bug |
| 03:02.30 | Wobin_ | I can pull off maybe one 3.5sec spell... |
| 03:02.52 | KarlKFI | I already bugged that Guillotine, btw |
| 03:03.15 | Wobin_ | I need some sort of autobuff similar thing that will take over -everything- the minute I hit spirithealer form |
| 03:03.21 | KarlKFI | they're redoing the deserter buff for 1.11, so enjoy it while it lasts |
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| 03:03.45 | zenzelezz | in which way? |
| 03:04.00 | KarlKFI | :x |
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| 03:08.53 | Kaelten | hello mates! it feels good to sit down! |
| 03:08.56 | Kaelten | lol |
| 03:09.02 | Wobin_ | heya Kael |
| 03:12.50 | kremonte | 'lo Kael |
| 03:13.21 | KarlKFI | moo |
| 03:14.38 | Kaelten | oh gods, don't tell me there is no way to inherit using CreateFrame |
| 03:14.52 | KarlKFI | nope |
| 03:14.57 | Kaelten | ,, |
| 03:14.57 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 03:14.59 | Kaelten | .. |
| 03:15.08 | KarlKFI | basicly |
| 03:15.20 | Kaelten | so I have to build each frame from scratch. |
| 03:15.25 | Kaelten | Thats sad |
| 03:15.37 | KarlKFI | yup, well at least you can make a loop |
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| 03:15.55 | Kaelten | ya I'm probably going to create a function to do it. |
| 03:16.06 | Kaelten | I guess its because templates aren't available at run time |
| 03:16.13 | KarlKFI | right |
| 03:16.35 | Kaelten | well we can't have it all I suppose. |
| 03:16.38 | Kaelten | hey Tem |
| 03:19.23 | Tem | hey |
| 03:22.31 | Iriel | Anyone up for testing a new DevTools feature for me ? |
| 03:23.23 | KarlKFI | GodMode? |
| 03:23.32 | Iriel | The new /dtchatevents function |
| 03:23.39 | kremonte | dtchatevents? o_O |
| 03:23.43 | Iriel | I just want to make sure other people dont think it sucks 8-) |
| 03:23.48 | kremonte | sure i will |
| 03:23.50 | kremonte | does it have new files? |
| 03:23.54 | kremonte | or can i just /realod |
| 03:23.59 | Iriel | It has new files i'm afraid |
| 03:24.01 | KarlKFI | lazy, woot |
| 03:24.04 | kremonte | so/realod/reload |
| 03:24.24 | kremonte | ah, can't test it now then :( |
| 03:24.28 | kremonte | everybody is having login problems |
| 03:24.41 | Iriel | Hm, I just have queue problems, login was smooth |
| 03:24.58 | zenzelezz | I can try it |
| 03:25.05 | KarlKFI | oh, iriel. question about texture rotation |
| 03:25.24 | Iriel | KarlKFI : Yup? |
| 03:25.31 | KarlKFI | do you have code based on 360 degrees or -180 to 180 ? |
| 03:25.46 | L|Elviso | I can try to test it Iriel |
| 03:25.51 | L|Elviso | if you still need people |
| 03:25.53 | Iriel | KarlKFI : it shouldn't matter |
| 03:26.07 | KarlKFI | shouldn't matter for who? |
| 03:26.12 | Iriel | L|Elviso : Cool, i'll upload the file shortly |
| 03:26.33 | Iriel | KarlKFI : Rotation, it shouldn't matter if you use 0-360 or -180 to 180 |
| 03:26.43 | L|Elviso | Ok, we're trying Viscidus right now, so I forsee many corpse runs to play with it :) |
| 03:26.43 | KarlKFI | i know |
| 03:27.03 | KarlKFI | i'm wonderign if you've already written code for a function to take degree input |
| 03:27.58 | Iriel | KarlKFI : You should be able to abuse TextureSpinTest appropriately |
| 03:28.10 | Iriel | KarlKFI : If it uses radians, math.rad is your friend |
| 03:28.42 | KarlKFI | kk, i think i was thinking it was more complicated. think i was feeding my degrees through your degree conversion |
| 03:28.54 | KarlKFI | oops |
| 03:29.02 | Iriel | ok, http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/ |
| 03:29.08 | Iriel | DevTools-1.0pre1-11000.zip |
| 03:29.09 | KarlKFI | got it already thx |
| 03:29.16 | KarlKFI | oh nm |
| 03:29.18 | Iriel | For anyone who wants to try it 8-) |
| 03:29.21 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 03:31.26 | L|Elviso | ok |
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| 03:32.05 | Wobin_ | whassit do? |
| 03:32.27 | Iriel | It puts a clickable link in front of every line in your chat frames |
| 03:32.39 | Wobin_ | for the source? |
| 03:32.46 | Iriel | that pops up a tootlip with the details of the event that was active when the line was written |
| 03:32.53 | Wobin_ | ooh I like |
| 03:33.11 | Wobin_ | can we turn it on and off at will? |
| 03:33.22 | Iriel | It's intended to be relatively unobtrusive so you can leave it on, but yes, it's togglable |
| 03:35.32 | L|Elviso | Iriel: do you intend for it to show all args, even those that are nil or empty? |
| 03:35.37 | L|Elviso | I assume so |
| 03:35.49 | Iriel | Anything that's not nil |
| 03:36.23 | Iriel | They're labelled so you can see which ones are missing |
| 03:36.42 | Legorol | what would be cool if text in chat was copy/pasteable |
| 03:37.13 | Legorol | Iriel: feature request: make it so that if i shift+click or alt+click or something on that link, then instead of making a tooltip, it sends it to message() |
| 03:37.18 | L|Elviso | just normal chat text, Legorol? |
| 03:37.20 | zenzelezz | I was surprised to see it wasn't... even Anarchy Online can copy/paste from chat |
| 03:37.35 | L|Elviso | there's an addon (ChatCopy) that lets you copy chat text |
| 03:37.45 | Legorol | L|Elviso: cool |
| 03:37.51 | Legorol | Iriel, my suggestion nevertheless stands :-) |
| 03:38.01 | Iriel | Legorol : Hm, but I dont capture the printed message, only the event args, so that might not be has helpful as it seems |
| 03:38.12 | Legorol | oh right i see |
| 03:38.17 | L|Elviso | although it only works for certain events (namely the common chat channels), it could prob be modified for more |
| 03:38.21 | Iriel | Though perhaps arg1 will usually be what you want anyway |
| 03:38.28 | Legorol | it's still useful though |
| 03:38.40 | Legorol | it allows people to redirect message, and thereby feed those texts to where they want it |
| 03:38.45 | Legorol | in case a tooltip is not enough for them |
| 03:38.50 | Legorol | heh too complicated |
| 03:39.01 | Legorol | if someone is going that far, might as well just register for the events themselves |
| 03:39.03 | Legorol | ignore me |
| 03:39.03 | Iriel | This was more for the 'what the hell event is THAT anyway" |
| 03:39.08 | Legorol | yeah |
| 03:39.09 | L|Elviso | I'm diggin it Iriel |
| 03:39.23 | Iriel | Cool, it'll store the last 1,000 events |
| 03:39.25 | Legorol | Iriel: does it work for combat log too? |
| 03:39.29 | Iriel | I may make that configurable someday |
| 03:39.30 | Wobin_ | You feelin it, L|Elviso? =) |
| 03:39.36 | Iriel | Legorol : Any of the ChatFrame* frames |
| 03:39.43 | Iriel | Legorol : It just hooks all of their AddMessage methods |
| 03:39.46 | Legorol | awesome, the combat events are so numerous, this will help a lot |
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| 03:39.56 | Iriel | Legorol : That's exactly what inspired this |
| 03:40.08 | L|Elviso | Wobin_: YUP :) |
| 03:40.09 | Iriel | Legorol : trying to debug KillCounter on 1.10 |
| 03:40.14 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 03:40.18 | Legorol | btw, i saw your post titled something like "local c,s=0repeat...." |
| 03:40.21 | Iriel | hey Esamynn |
| 03:40.24 | Legorol | what was the discussion that spawned that? |
| 03:40.31 | Legorol | from the code it looked like it forces a GC run |
| 03:40.34 | Iriel | Legorol : GC flushing |
| 03:40.56 | Esamynn | heh, it sort of pointless now, slouken gave us direct access to the GC call ;) |
| 03:41.02 | Legorol | realllY??? |
| 03:41.09 | Legorol | gief link or never happend!!!1!11ONEONE |
| 03:41.18 | Esamynn | in the 1.10 changes thread, posted late afternoon |
| 03:41.23 | Legorol | woot |
| 03:41.31 | Esamynn | for 1.10.1 |
| 03:41.57 | Esamynn | - Added Lua collectgarbage() function. |
| 03:42.44 | Iriel | Yeah, I begged him for it after the weekend's research |
| 03:43.00 | Iriel | Well,maybe not begged, but asked nicely |
| 03:43.22 | Legorol | heh, we were asking for it ever since GC became a hot topic |
| 03:43.39 | Legorol | what would be nice is to be able to set threshold |
| 03:43.57 | Esamynn | sigh, it would be nice it people would code better, then it wouldn't be such a big deal, ahh well |
| 03:44.16 | Legorol | i dont agree with that |
| 03:44.45 | Kaelten | offtopic: This a valid setpoint "SetPoint("RIGHT", -13, 0)" |
| 03:44.52 | Legorol | Lua has a GC, the whole point of which was supposed to be so we dont have to care about mem management |
| 03:44.59 | Esamynn | Kaelten: yes, I think so |
| 03:45.02 | Legorol | but we had to learn |
| 03:45.11 | Legorol | and watch our resource usage |
| 03:45.13 | Tain | It's supposed to be, Kaelten. |
| 03:45.18 | Tain | But I don't think it is after 1.10. |
| 03:45.26 | Legorol | Kaelten: not in 1.10 |
| 03:45.31 | Kaelten | erg. |
| 03:45.37 | Kaelten | back to the long form then? |
| 03:45.40 | Esamynn | oh really? |
| 03:45.42 | Legorol | something broke with setpoint yes |
| 03:45.44 | Tain | Yeah looks like long form for everything. |
| 03:45.50 | Esamynn | ahh ok, unintended change |
| 03:46.46 | Kaelten | SetPoint("RIGHT", parent, -13, 0) valid or do I need to include the relative point as well? |
| 03:46.52 | Tain | All |
| 03:47.06 | Kaelten | er... when you don't specify a rel point whats the relpoint considered? |
| 03:47.17 | Tain | It's not considered at all anymore, you have to specify it. |
| 03:47.21 | Iriel | I'm going to be very sad if people use collectgarbage in 'normal addons' |
| 03:47.28 | Esamynn | Legorol: not having to deal with memory management and not caring are two different things |
| 03:47.28 | Iriel | Formerly it was the same as POINT |
| 03:47.40 | Iriel | Esamynn : Nicely put. |
| 03:47.49 | Tain | Yeah I definitely don't care. :D |
| 03:48.14 | Iriel | The problem I ran into was it's impossible to write a gc flush forcer that doesn't horribly abuse the system (or leave a lot of crap behind) |
| 03:48.47 | Iriel | And that significantly impacts how long it takes to run some tests I tried doing |
| 03:49.24 | Esamynn | simply throwing things away instead of reusing them, when reusing them is trivial is plain bad coding, and really not very smart in a performance oriented environment |
| 03:49.42 | Tain | Yeah but there's a Lua engine for the Sony PSP. :D |
| 03:49.54 | Kaelten | so <Anchor point="RIGHT"> ' relative point is also "RIGHT"? |
| 03:50.04 | Legorol | yes |
| 03:50.14 | Kaelten | k |
| 03:50.15 | L|Elviso | Iriel: The [#] in my chat frame 5 aren't responding, I'm reloading UI to see if I can reproduce it |
| 03:50.18 | Legorol | Esamynn: true and i stand corrected |
| 03:50.32 | Legorol | what i miss is the convenience of ellipses |
| 03:50.51 | KarlKFI | ignorance was bliss |
| 03:51.02 | Legorol | and creating fresh tables when thats the simplest neatest code |
| 03:51.10 | Iriel | L|Elviso Are they grey or yellow? |
| 03:51.17 | Iriel | L|Elviso Grey ones have no attached event |
| 03:51.21 | KarlKFI | compiler optimization ftw |
| 03:51.26 | Legorol | now i find having to write complicated code which looks "hackish" to avoid GC issues |
| 03:51.49 | KarlKFI | get an uber computer |
| 03:51.59 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, i can do that |
| 03:52.03 | KarlKFI | :) |
| 03:52.06 | Legorol | but the clients won't |
| 03:52.08 | Iriel | L|Elviso They might be 'old' events too, I considered making an explicit messgae on the popup for those, I suppose I should |
| 03:52.13 | KarlKFI | who needs clients |
| 03:52.17 | Legorol | you do |
| 03:52.20 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 03:52.27 | Legorol | i don't care if only 10 people use Cosmos :p |
| 03:52.45 | KarlKFI | uh huh |
| 03:52.48 | L|Elviso | I do believe it was after I had zoned to the GY |
| 03:52.48 | Tain | That's the big problem with coding addons. Other people use them. |
| 03:52.51 | Legorol | all right, so i do care |
| 03:52.59 | L|Elviso | LOL @ Tain |
| 03:52.59 | Legorol | i admit it, is that what you wanted to hear? eh? EH? |
| 03:53.00 | Esamynn | heh |
| 03:53.00 | KarlKFI | :D |
| 03:53.26 | KarlKFI | grr... xml not validating... need to get eclipse on this compy.. |
| 03:53.31 | Esamynn | Legorol: like me, publicly, I don't care, but I will admit, Seeing GroupHeal pass 10k downloads was good for my ego ;) |
| 03:53.39 | L|Elviso | Iriel: sorry, didn't see your previous question. The [#] was gold still |
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| 03:54.03 | Iriel | L|Elviso : Could they have been more than 1,000 events old? |
| 03:54.18 | kremonte | woot |
| 03:54.21 | kremonte | just got boots of avoidance |
| 03:54.23 | kremonte | yay for luck |
| 03:54.30 | L|Elviso | Iriel: Considering I had zoned to the GY between the events and when I noticed it....most likely. |
| 03:55.25 | Esamynn | kremonte: boring, (not coding related) ;) |
| 03:55.31 | Esamynn | kremonte: grats |
| 03:55.34 | Legorol | i can't beleive slouken fixed the UTF-8 BOM so quickly |
| 03:55.41 | kremonte | :P |
| 03:55.42 | Legorol | if i'd known i should've asked earlier.. |
| 03:55.55 | Legorol | i was suffering from it for many many months |
| 03:55.57 | MentalPower_ | he did? |
| 03:56.03 | Legorol | then i ask slouken, next day he fixed it |
| 03:56.20 | MentalPower_ | when did this happen? |
| 03:56.22 | Legorol | MentalPower: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=353123&tmp=1#post353123 |
| 03:56.39 | Legorol | UTF-8 BOM (EF BB BF) is now skipped if it's at the start of .toc |
| 03:57.01 | Esamynn | can someone check something for me? on my client, either setn or getn doesn't exisit and I have to call table.setn (or table.getn, I don't remember which). It could be an addon nil'ing it out, but could someone else check their client for me? |
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| 03:57.58 | Wobin_ | Man. |
| 03:58.07 | Wobin_ | WoW should so have the Boots of Blinding Speed |
| 03:58.10 | KarlKFI | i find the devs more personable each passing day |
| 03:58.16 | Wobin_ | And have it set the screen to black when worn |
| 03:58.26 | KarlKFI | i met the SC lead dev today |
| 03:58.27 | Esamynn | lol |
| 03:58.53 | Esamynn | Devs are people too.... :P |
| 03:58.55 | KarlKFI | i reported 4 StarCraft bugs the other day.. they were surprised since the games liek 10 yrs old |
| 03:59.12 | Guillotine | lol |
| 03:59.31 | Iriel | Esamynn : table.setn and table.getn both exist |
| 03:59.40 | KarlKFI | 3 they basicly don't care enough to fix and no one's ever complained, but 1 they might fix.. |
| 03:59.48 | Iriel | setn doesn't exist, but getn does |
| 04:00.12 | Esamynn | thats what I was getting at, is there a reason setn doesn't exist that you know of? |
| 04:00.23 | Iriel | Esamynn : because those are from compat.lua |
| 04:00.24 | KarlKFI | cause you're not sposed to use it |
| 04:00.31 | Iriel | Esamynn : 5.0 never had setn, and you shouldn't use THAT getn either |
| 04:00.38 | Esamynn | ahhh ok |
| 04:00.49 | Esamynn | I thought they were the same, I stand corrected |
| 04:00.57 | KarlKFI | just use remove or insert to ajust the n value |
| 04:01.20 | Iriel | Well, they ARE the same, but the unadorned 'getn' may be removed in a future lua release |
| 04:01.30 | Esamynn | ahh ok |
| 04:01.31 | MentalPower_ | Legorol: I think that the UTF-8 BOM is ignored on lua files, since I have a few files that have them and WoW hasn't complained yet |
| 04:01.49 | KarlKFI | wow only complains in lua if you have a mix of tags |
| 04:02.02 | KarlKFI | or a mix of line endings |
| 04:02.24 | KarlKFI | or some damned xml that wont parse.. |
| 04:03.10 | Esamynn | I thought it was an oversight or something |
| 04:03.58 | Legorol | Iriel: i don't understand, i htought table.getn and table.setn is part of Lua 5.0 |
| 04:04.08 | Iriel | I meant 4.X |
| 04:04.09 | Legorol | it may have been removed in 5.1 |
| 04:04.13 | Iriel | It's 5.0's compat.lua |
| 04:04.30 | Legorol | huh? |
| 04:04.42 | Legorol | it's in the Lua 5.0 manual, isn't it? |
| 04:04.48 | Legorol | i thought compat.lua is a WoW-only concept |
| 04:05.00 | Legorol | i might be confusing something here |
| 04:05.10 | Iriel | The version of compat.lua that ships with LUA 5.0 is compatibility mappings between the "current" and "previous" lua versions |
| 04:05.20 | Kaelten | does a button's NormalTexture have a default name? |
| 04:05.37 | Iriel | compat.lua ships with lua 5.0 |
| 04:06.11 | Legorol | i didn't realie |
| 04:06.14 | Esamynn | Kaelten: only if you give it one in the XML |
| 04:06.14 | Legorol | *realise |
| 04:06.24 | Legorol | is table.getn/setn defined in there then? |
| 04:06.42 | Iriel | No, table is part of the standard library |
| 04:06.47 | Iriel | What IS defined is plain getn |
| 04:06.55 | Legorol | right |
| 04:07.05 | Iriel | tinsert, tremove, sort, foreach, and foreachi |
| 04:07.22 | Legorol | ok then i misunderstood you |
| 04:07.27 | Legorol | <Iriel> Esamynn : 5.0 never had setn, and you shouldn't use THAT getn either |
| 04:07.35 | Legorol | ^^ i thought you were reffering to table.setn etc. |
| 04:07.48 | Legorol | i didn't know that standard 5.0 has global setn too |
| 04:07.54 | Legorol | now it's all clear |
| 04:07.56 | Iriel | It doesn't 8-) |
| 04:07.59 | Legorol | *i mean getn |
| 04:08.01 | Iriel | What I emant to say is.. |
| 04:08.01 | Legorol | yeah yeah typo |
| 04:08.15 | Iriel | <Iriel> Esamynn: pre-5.0 never had setn, and you shouldn't use THAT getn either |
| 04:08.30 | Legorol | it's finally all clear, i cleared up what i misunderstood |
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| 04:09.39 | Legorol | Iriel, you are a Linux guru, right? |
| 04:09.48 | kremonte | iriel saved my harddrive <3 |
| 04:09.49 | Legorol | how do i grep for non-ascii characters? |
| 04:09.49 | Esamynn | hmm, CreateTable hasn't made it into the wiki yet, time to update it |
| 04:10.08 | Legorol | or is there a better tool to use than grep? |
| 04:10.26 | Iriel | Legorol : Do you mean in wide character sets? |
| 04:10.38 | Iriel | Legorol : Or just bytes outside of the normal 32-126 range? |
| 04:10.48 | Legorol | man grep doesn't give me any hint of there being a way to do a hex, octal or decimal representation of a character |
| 04:10.53 | Legorol | Iriel: no, just bytes |
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| 04:11.06 | Legorol | say i want to look for hex 0xf2 |
| 04:11.33 | Legorol | or more specifically i might want to look for the triplet EF BB BF ;-) |
| 04:11.49 | Esamynn | ok, opinion please, what should I call the wiki section that I put CreateFrame, CreateFont, EnumerateFrames, etc, under? |
| 04:11.58 | Legorol | if there is a standard hex dump command in Linux, that'd be cool too |
| 04:12.10 | Iriel | Legorol :You have to get your shell to pass that in as a string literal |
| 04:12.29 | Legorol | Iriel: care to elaborate? Linux is greek to me |
| 04:12.49 | Iriel | Legorol : I'm not sure how easy that is in linux, and grep will likely mangle your ouput |
| 04:12.52 | Legorol | ideally, example in tcsh :-) |
| 04:13.24 | Iriel | Try: od -tx1c |
| 04:13.27 | Iriel | for a hex dump |
| 04:13.28 | Legorol | ok, approach no. 2: is there a standard way to get a hex dump? |
| 04:13.31 | Legorol | od? |
| 04:13.37 | Legorol | is that a standard command? |
| 04:13.39 | Iriel | octal dump, but it knows other bases |
| 04:13.41 | Iriel | It should be |
| 04:13.47 | Legorol | ok i'll try that |
| 04:14.16 | Esamynn | no ideas? |
| 04:14.17 | Legorol | that should be good enough for the purposes of locating files with EF BB BF in them |
| 04:14.20 | Iriel | I suspect grepping the hex dump is cleaner |
| 04:14.27 | Iriel | Esamynn : Frame Control Functions |
| 04:14.32 | Iriel | or something like that |
| 04:14.33 | Legorol | Esamynn: what's going to be on the page? |
| 04:14.40 | Legorol | a HOWTO type thing explaining how to use them? |
| 04:14.40 | Esamynn | thats better than what I'd come up with |
| 04:14.52 | Esamynn | no, they aren't listed in the API section yet |
| 04:14.55 | Legorol | or is it an API description? |
| 04:15.00 | Legorol | Esamynn: then add it to the API page |
| 04:15.11 | Esamynn | thats what I am doing :P |
| 04:15.19 | Legorol | oh right |
| 04:15.19 | Iriel | Legorol : Esamynn's question was what to call the new section they go in! |
| 04:15.20 | Esamynn | wanted ideas for the section title |
| 04:15.23 | Legorol | aha |
| 04:15.36 | Esamynn | Frame Control Functions is better than anything I had come up wiht |
| 04:15.38 | Legorol | one and a half complete instance runs is sure tyring |
| 04:15.41 | Legorol | i think i'll go sleep |
| 04:15.42 | Esamynn | s/wiht/with/ |
| 04:15.51 | Legorol | night all |
| 04:15.58 | Esamynn | night |
| 04:16.13 | Iriel | Esamynn : Frame Management may be better than control |
| 04:16.24 | Esamynn | hmm |
| 04:16.30 | Wobin_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty0kZA6g4Vg |
| 04:16.35 | Esamynn | I had come up with that one actually |
| 04:16.37 | Wobin_ | Vlad is brilliant |
| 04:16.41 | Wobin_ | oop |
| 04:16.42 | Wobin_ | Zlad |
| 04:16.46 | Esamynn | any other opinions? |
| 04:17.11 | Iriel | Other than "Frame Functions" or "UI Object Functions", no |
| 04:17.26 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 04:17.43 | Esamynn | why all the sections are <something> Functions is beyond me |
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| 04:18.31 | Iriel | I suspect that's partly my fault |
| 04:18.44 | Iriel | but there used to be non-function stuff in there too |
| 04:18.50 | Iriel | not a whole lot, mins |
| 04:18.52 | Iriel | mind |
| 04:18.54 | Esamynn | ahh, that would explain it |
| 04:19.19 | KarlKFI | ok... someone tell me why this doesn't parse: http://wow.pastebin.com/639244 |
| 04:21.47 | zenzelezz | "QABot.GUI.Follow_OnClick()" ? or does that not require a semi-colon |
| 04:21.58 | KarlKFI | ; is always optional |
| 04:22.13 | zenzelezz | I'm too used to C++ x.x |
| 04:22.16 | KarlKFI | and would cause a lua error anyway and not a failure to parse |
| 04:22.52 | Iriel | Not ALWAYS optional |
| 04:22.53 | Esamynn | <Anchor point="TOP" relativeTo="QABotMenuBotControls" point="BOTTOM" /> should be <Anchor point="TOP" relativeTo="QABotMenuBotControls" relativePoint="BOTTOM" /> |
| 04:23.10 | Iriel | Just USUALLY optional |
| 04:23.35 | KarlKFI | there you go. it didn't like two defined 'point's |
| 04:23.39 | Esamynn | exactly |
| 04:23.41 | KarlKFI | thx esamynn |
| 04:23.44 | Esamynn | Firefox FTW |
| 04:23.53 | KarlKFI | ? |
| 04:24.03 | Esamynn | I was too lazy to read it over so I dumped it into a file and loaded it into Firefox |
| 04:24.12 | KarlKFI | and.. |
| 04:24.20 | Esamynn | it told me where the problem was |
| 04:24.25 | Guillotine | I'm a little dwarf priest, with a dress thats tight. Here is my flash heal, here is my smite. When I die I pop up, here me yell: Spirit of Redemption lets me heal you well. |
| 04:24.27 | KarlKFI | O.o |
| 04:24.28 | Guillotine | and with that I leave |
| 04:24.30 | Guillotine | gn |
| 04:24.34 | Esamynn | night Guill |
| 04:24.45 | Esamynn | Firefox has a built in XML parser |
| 04:25.34 | Esamynn | won't validate to the xsd file, but for most parsing errors you don't need to |
| 04:26.00 | Esamynn | actually, you might be able to make it validate to the xsd file, but I've never bothered to find out |
| 04:26.07 | KarlKFI | sweet.. |
| 04:26.38 | KarlKFI | Camino has it too, ya |
| 04:26.40 | KarlKFI | yay* |
| 04:27.28 | KarlKFI | learn something new everyday |
| 04:27.43 | Esamynn | thats strange, CreateFrame already has a details page, did you write that Iriel? |
| 04:28.09 | Esamynn | nope, someone by the name of Starlightblunder |
| 04:28.42 | KarlKFI | so in a tools class i'm taking we have to use cvs, eclipse and junit... if I don't ace this class i'll cry |
| 04:29.10 | Esamynn | Iriel, I haven't tried it, but CreateFrame can take a frame name as the parent argument right? |
| 04:29.24 | Iriel | Esamynn : Nope, I didn't. |
| 04:29.57 | Iriel | Esamynn : I'm not sure, but not the way slouken documented it, worth a try tho |
| 04:30.38 | Esamynn | time to kick the current "occupant" of that computer then ;) |
| 04:35.34 | Osagasu | thi weeks VG cats make me chuckle. |
| 04:37.51 | Tem | link? |
| 04:37.53 | KarlKFI | anyone know of a wow icon that looks liek turning? |
| 04:38.09 | Osagasu | http://www.vgcats.com/comics/ |
| 04:38.26 | Tem | KarlKFI: the one they use in the dressing room? |
| 04:38.27 | Wobin_ | turning? |
| 04:39.17 | KarlKFI | oo, thx tem |
| 04:39.25 | Tem | np |
| 04:40.17 | KarlKFI | mmm, what's the name of that icon that has a red X and yellow eyes? |
| 04:41.57 | Wobin_ | Spell_Shadow_SacrificialShield |
| 04:42.01 | KarlKFI | :) thx |
| 04:42.15 | KarlKFI | never heard of that spell, is it warlock? |
| 04:42.59 | Wobin_ | No idea =) |
| 04:43.02 | Wobin_ | That's just the icon name |
| 04:43.07 | Wobin_ | But probably |
| 04:43.11 | Wobin_ | Sacrifice |
| 04:43.14 | Wobin_ | For the Voidy |
| 04:43.17 | KarlKFI | ah, ya |
| 04:43.28 | Esamynn | brb |
| 04:43.30 | KarlKFI | kool. it looked like a good stop button to me |
| 04:43.43 | KarlKFI | more exciting than just an X ;) |
| 04:43.52 | Wobin_ | NO! (With eyes) |
| 04:44.11 | KarlKFI | something liek that |
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| 04:44.28 | Osagasu | Yes, its warlock |
| 04:44.37 | Osagasu | They get it from sacrificing their VW |
| 04:44.40 | Esamynn | Iriel: yes, it does take a Frame name |
| 04:46.47 | Osagasu | nini |
| 04:47.07 | Tem | KarlKFI: what are you making? |
| 04:47.22 | KarlKFI | a bot |
| 04:48.11 | KarlKFI | next hurdle is getting a minimap overlay with a rotating arrow |
| 04:48.21 | KarlKFI | have to steal some gatherer code |
| 04:48.52 | KarlKFI | anyone know of some more concise minimap overlay code? |
| 04:49.00 | KarlKFI | that isn't quite as complicated |
| 04:49.31 | KarlKFI | i'm pretty sure I can duplicate it, it will just take way longer than it's worth spending on it |
| 04:49.33 | Tem | what kind of bot? |
| 04:49.41 | KarlKFI | a remote control bot |
| 04:49.55 | Tem | ? |
| 04:50.06 | KarlKFI | for controlling other clients |
| 04:50.16 | KarlKFI | with a nifty gui |
| 04:50.47 | KarlKFI | and some fancy auto buttons like 'Face Target' and 'Follow Me' |
| 04:53.00 | Iriel | Esamynn : Nifty |
| 04:54.59 | kremonte | wow |
| 04:55.02 | kremonte | nice night |
| 04:55.15 | kremonte | QSR, ring of spell power x2, eye of sulfuras, 2 boe epics for meh |
| 04:55.46 | zenzelezz | teh ninj0r |
| 04:57.31 | kremonte | mmmm |
| 04:57.33 | Tem | kremonte: holy hell |
| 04:57.34 | kremonte | 2 bluez too |
| 04:57.39 | kremonte | aye Tem ;) |
| 04:57.40 | Tem | you got 2x ring of spell power in one night? |
| 04:57.43 | kremonte | yes |
| 04:57.45 | Tem | a;lsdjf;lasdjf ;alskdjf ! |
| 04:57.49 | kremonte | i agree! |
| 04:57.52 | kremonte | i wasn't even at MC |
| 04:57.57 | kremonte | which is probably why they all dropped |
| 04:57.59 | Tem | in 5 months I've never seen 1 |
| 04:58.08 | kremonte | AND an eye of sulfuras |
| 04:58.10 | kremonte | went to a pally |
| 04:58.12 | kremonte | our second so far |
| 04:58.42 | Wobin_ | ISn't that the big hammer thing? |
| 04:58.51 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 04:59.02 | Wobin_ | with the spiky head and the eye logo thing? |
| 04:59.21 | kremonte | yes |
| 04:59.34 | Wobin_ | woo, our guild pally picked that one up a few nights ago |
| 04:59.50 | kremonte | hopefully we'll have our second Hand in a week |
| 05:00.01 | kremonte | which would bring this pally's weapon count to... |
| 05:00.11 | kremonte | Hand, Ashkandi, Untamed Blade, Herald of Woe |
| 05:00.28 | KarlKFI | i like the Herald of Woe, it's nifty looking |
| 05:01.36 | KarlKFI | ok, time to kill some apps so i can play dota w/o lagging. bbl |
| 05:01.58 | kremonte | i still have no idea what dota is ;( |
| 05:02.09 | KarlKFI | www.dota-allstars.com |
| 05:02.17 | kremonte | i still have no idea how to play ;( |
| 05:02.32 | kremonte | is it an RPG or somefin? |
| 05:02.50 | Esamynn | night all |
| 05:02.55 | Corrodias | there are no fins involved |
| 05:02.55 | KarlKFI | it's a WC3 map |
| 05:03.03 | kremonte | huh? o_O |
| 05:03.05 | Corrodias | it's an RPG-ish warcraft 3 game |
| 05:03.18 | KarlKFI | you control 1 hero and there are two teams of 5 |
| 05:03.20 | Corrodias | and when i say that i mean it has no roleplaying elements at all so it has nothing to do with RPGs. |
| 05:03.43 | KarlKFI | and 2 computer conrolled players that just throw continuous streams of guys at eachother |
| 05:03.57 | KarlKFI | and you get $ and buy items and combos and kill players and creeps |
| 05:04.10 | Corrodias | groups of minor enemies (creeps) spawn at the two bases and walk along three paths toward the other guys base, fighting each other and attacking buildings |
| 05:04.23 | Corrodias | you control a hero to try to help them. the goal is to destroy a particular building in the other guy's base |
| 05:05.13 | Iriel | nite guys |
| 05:05.27 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 05:06.13 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
| 05:07.45 | Tem | later mel |
| 05:07.49 | Tem | MentalPower* |
| 05:21.36 | ckknight | okay, I'm contemplating FuBar |
| 05:21.49 | Cairenn | rarr! |
| 05:23.23 | Tem | do it! |
| 05:23.37 | Tem | ckknight: I have spoken. |
| 05:23.44 | Kaelten | FuBar? |
| 05:23.44 | Tem | Let it be written, and let it be done. |
| 05:23.50 | ckknight | but would I have plugins be PluginFu or FuPlugin? |
| 05:23.59 | Tem | PluginFu |
| 05:24.07 | Cairenn | SnaFu, KungFu |
| 05:24.08 | Tem | Plugin-Fu |
| 05:24.09 | ckknight | PluginFu makes sense |
| 05:24.16 | Tem | Time-Fu |
| 05:24.22 | ckknight | but it doesn't put them all in one place |
| 05:24.23 | ckknight | meh |
| 05:24.23 | Tem | Honor-Fu |
| 05:24.39 | ckknight | I think it'd just be HonorFu |
| 05:24.48 | ckknight | or would a dash be more appropriate? |
| 05:24.49 | Tem | yeah, you're right |
| 05:24.56 | Tem | HonorFu |
| 05:26.06 | Tem | change the Title in the tocs to be FuBar - PluginFu |
| 05:27.14 | Wobin_ | woohoo! |
| 05:27.15 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:27.17 | ckknight | hrm |
| 05:27.18 | Wobin_ | Fubar is the win! |
| 05:27.26 | ckknight | would that be better? |
| 05:27.28 | Cairenn | FuBar! |
| 05:27.39 | ckknight | FuBar - PluginFu or just PluginFu? |
| 05:27.45 | ckknight | or... |
| 05:27.53 | ckknight | Plugin|cffffffffFu|r |
| 05:28.18 | Tem | that's a possibility |
| 05:28.27 | Tem | it wouldn't put them all together |
| 05:28.37 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:28.38 | Wobin_ | Tbh, as much as I dislike forcing nametypes, having FuBar - PluginFu does look a lot neater, for lack of a more constructive organisation |
| 05:28.57 | ckknight | hrm |
| 05:30.00 | Wobin_ | and having the Fu in a different colour would be good |
| 05:30.32 | Wobin_ | Maybe FuBar - Plugin|cfffffffFu|r - AuthorName |
| 05:30.37 | ckknight | currently it's BossPanel - |cffffffffPlugin|r |
| 05:30.39 | Wobin_ | (by) |
| 05:31.00 | ckknight | having the authors' names would be a good idea... |
| 05:32.13 | Tem | I never liked the author names in the toc title |
| 05:32.44 | Wobin_ | I think the problem with plugins like that is that there isn't enough individuality to determine ownership |
| 05:32.48 | ckknight | I don't know what's best in this situation |
| 05:33.02 | Wobin_ | So they can't be recognised by the addon name, it's nicer to recognise them some other way |
| 05:33.03 | ckknight | that is another problem |
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| 05:35.06 | ckknight | It has been decided, FuBar shall be the new name |
| 05:35.37 | ckknight | and the TOC will be FuBar - |cffffffffPlugin|r|cff00ff00Fu|r |
| 05:35.39 | ckknight | I'm thinking |
| 05:41.55 | Tem | sold |
| 05:45.10 | Kaelten|SLEEPING | good night people. |
| 05:52.40 | Cairenn | night all |
| 05:52.57 | ckknight | bye, Cairenn|sleep |
| 05:53.04 | Cairenn|sleep | night guys :) |
| 05:59.49 | ckknight | I'm thinking the folder names stay FuBar_PluginFu |
| 05:59.50 | ckknight | what do you think about that? |
| 06:02.31 | Kemayo | I like that -- it's useful to have all the addons of a "family" grouped together. |
| 06:02.36 | ckknight | okay |
| 06:02.46 | ckknight | PluginFu on a website |
| 06:02.51 | ckknight | FuBar_PluginFu as a folder |
| 06:03.12 | ckknight | "PluginFu" as the ace title |
| 06:03.27 | ckknight | and FuBar - |cffffffffPlugin|r|cff00ff00Fu|r as the TOC title |
| 06:03.37 | Tem | that won't keep them together in the /ace list ace list |
| 06:04.03 | ckknight | okay, do you think it should be "FuBar - PluginFu", then? |
| 06:04.09 | ckknight | as the ace title |
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| 06:06.32 | Kemayo | Shrinking the web-title down to PluginFu has the disadvantage of making it slightly harder to search for plugins. As it is, a search for "BossPanel" gets you every BossPanel plugin. |
| 06:07.25 | ckknight | yea, but if you click on BossPanel, scroll down and you'll see all the plugins for it |
| 06:07.29 | ckknight | a nice part of WoWI |
| 06:07.43 | ckknight | also, if you search for it anyway, it gets everything that uses BossPanel as a dependency |
| 06:08.02 | ckknight | and you'll see that it ends in Fu anyway |
| 06:10.25 | Tem | I've gotten rather tired of seeing the entire "new and updated" list on wowi used for BP plugins |
| 06:10.45 | kremonte | same :/ |
| 06:10.46 | kremonte | unfortunately |
| 06:10.51 | ckknight | sorry |
| 06:10.53 | ckknight | my bad |
| 06:10.55 | Kemayo | One would imagine that would cool down as BP updates slow. :) |
| 06:11.01 | ckknight | now it'll be filled with StuffFu |
| 06:11.09 | kremonte | StuffFu? |
| 06:11.10 | kremonte | STFU! |
| 06:11.12 | kremonte | lolol |
| 06:11.18 | Tem | yay!' |
| 06:11.22 | Tem | STFu |
| 06:11.26 | ckknight | lol |
| 06:11.35 | Tem | now to figure out what it does! |
| 06:11.43 | ckknight | someone's gonna write SnaFu |
| 06:11.46 | ckknight | and ToFu |
| 06:11.52 | Tem | KungFu? |
| 06:12.09 | Kemayo | ...I could rename Quests to ToFu. It's pretty much a todo list... |
| 06:12.15 | Cairenn|sleep | *fu |
| 06:12.23 | Kemayo | ...but I won't. |
| 06:12.52 | kremonte | GIMP - Script-Fu |
| 06:13.05 | ckknight | yea, I know that |
| 06:13.10 | ckknight | I've used ScriptFu |
| 06:13.29 | kremonte | same :p |
| 06:13.31 | Wobin_ | ToFu is such a Mailmod though |
| 06:13.44 | Cairenn|sleep | the "*Fu" was saying that is how you can do a search for all the plugins, at least on WoWI |
| 06:14.11 | L|Elviso | ToFu could also be a cooking/refreshment mod too :p |
| 06:14.38 | Wobin_ | SNAFU, TARFU and FUBAR, isn't it, Cair? |
| 06:14.39 | Cairenn|sleep | hadn't even thought of stfu |
| 06:14.46 | L|Elviso | lol |
| 06:14.56 | Cairenn|sleep | Wobin_: tarfu? |
| 06:15.03 | Wobin_ | Things Are Really Fucked Up |
| 06:15.14 | Cairenn|sleep | not one I'd ever heard, personally |
| 06:15.32 | Cairenn|sleep | snafu and fubar, oh yeah |
| 06:16.23 | Cairenn|sleep | so, ckknight, want me to change your user name for you? |
| 06:16.33 | Cairenn|sleep | I'm presuming you'll be going to Fu? |
| 06:16.41 | L|Elviso | You can change mine, Cairenn|sleep :) |
| 06:16.43 | Wobin_ | SiFu =P |
| 06:16.51 | L|Elviso | I xfer'd servers and my named changed slightly |
| 06:17.04 | Wobin_ | (wonders if -anyone- will get that one) |
| 06:17.19 | L|Elviso | sick fuck? |
| 06:17.40 | L|Elviso | SiFu? |
| 06:17.51 | Cairenn|sleep | L|Elviso: what's your name on the site? |
| 06:17.58 | Wobin_ | You'll need to have watched a whole lot of Kungfu movies to get that one |
| 06:18.35 | Cairenn|sleep | <== never watched *any* of the Kungfu movies, thank god |
| 06:18.58 | Cairenn|sleep | L|Elviso: what is your name on the site currently, and what do you want it changed to? |
| 06:19.28 | L|Elviso | if it's not a problem, Elvisimo > Elviso |
| 06:19.33 | Wobin_ | oh not Kungfu as in a proper noun, kungfu as in the genre |
| 06:21.52 | Kemayo | "sifu" is something like "teacher", right? |
| 06:21.57 | Wobin_ | yeah =) |
| 06:22.35 | Cairenn|sleep | Elviso: okay, do me a favour, please? |
| 06:22.44 | Kemayo | SiFu could be a mod like RareTracker, then. Only listing all the trainers in an area, with their locations. |
| 06:23.00 | Cairenn|sleep | see if you can edit your mod, please? |
| 06:23.09 | Wobin_ | hehe that'd be interesting |
| 06:23.51 | Elviso | Cairenn|sleep: surely |
| 06:23.54 | Elviso | brb |
| 06:25.02 | Elviso | Cairenn|sleep: yes I can, looks great. thanks! |
| 06:25.17 | Cairenn|sleep | good enough, just wanted to make sure you still had access |
| 06:25.27 | Cairenn|sleep | and on that note, I really *am* going to bed now |
| 06:25.29 | Cairenn|sleep | night guys |
| 06:26.37 | Kemayo | Night |
| 06:27.46 | ckknight | Kemayo, you're right about the spacing deal, I'll put in something about that |
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| 06:31.36 | Kemayo | Nifty - that was my only complaint about moving back to the non-custom tooltips. :) |
| 06:39.48 | Tem | look on my works, ye mighty, and dispair. |
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| 06:54.41 | KarlKFI | godm that was the longest fricken dota game ever |
| 07:04.47 | krka|work | interesting post: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-argentdawn&t=253872&p=1&tmp=1#post253872 |
| 07:05.07 | krka|work | but would be better to to use lazy evaluation and only set dirty-flags on events |
| 07:07.30 | KarlKFI | possibly |
| 07:07.46 | krka|work | only possibly? |
| 07:07.46 | KarlKFI | i do mine that way if the events fire alot |
| 07:08.04 | KarlKFI | depends on what events they are |
| 07:08.16 | KarlKFI | not all events are prone to fire before world loaded |
| 07:09.02 | krka|work | i just think it' |
| 07:09.06 | krka|work | s a good idea in general |
| 07:09.13 | KarlKFI | :) |
| 07:09.15 | krka|work | in fact, i try to always do that |
| 07:09.25 | KarlKFI | sometimes i forget |
| 07:09.45 | KarlKFI | but then i don't tend to register a lot of events except in a few mods that i've already written |
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| 07:10.30 | KarlKFI | but i should definitely put it in arch |
| 07:10.48 | krka|work | for instance: here's some code i have written: http://wow.pastebin.com/639418 |
| 07:10.55 | krka|work | seems to work wonderfully |
| 07:11.14 | KarlKFI | does the MovePad down button stop going down if you uncheck it? |
| 07:11.23 | KarlKFI | *backwards |
| 07:11.26 | krka|work | haven't tried it |
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| 07:12.43 | KarlKFI | mine stopped working |
| 07:12.53 | KarlKFI | I'm updating it anyway to be prettier |
| 07:13.16 | KarlKFI | i'm out |
| 07:13.36 | KarlKFI | i think.. |
| 07:14.53 | Tem | KarlKFI: what's MovePad? |
| 07:15.03 | krka|work | sloukens addon |
| 07:15.43 | Cairenn|sleep | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4767 |
| 07:17.10 | Tem | oh cool |
| 07:17.11 | ckknight | did slouken put it on any other mod hosting sites? |
| 07:17.12 | Tem | it's signed |
| 07:17.24 | Tem | that means it can do stuff we can't |
| 07:17.44 | ckknight | yes, like call the movement functions |
| 07:17.51 | Tem | very, very cool |
| 07:19.31 | Cairenn|sleep | ckknight: that's the link I provided ;) |
| 07:22.34 | krka|work | version 2, should be much betteR: http://wow.pastebin.com/639432 |
| 07:22.41 | krka|work | slightly less readable though |
| 07:24.13 | krka|work | anyone know if the function call + table lookup overhead makes that version worse? |
| 07:24.17 | KarlKFI | ok, maybe i'm still here |
| 07:24.34 | KarlKFI | table look isn't really worth worrying about |
| 07:25.21 | [MoonWolf] | slouken is taunting us. |
| 07:25.39 | KarlKFI | he caan do that, he has uber powers |
| 07:26.52 | krka|work | so if i get any event, it will cost me 1 table lookup, 1 function call + some trivial operations |
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| 07:40.39 | s|loup | if i register an event more than one time, will the registering be ignored? |
| 07:41.30 | krka|work | yes |
| 07:41.38 | s|loup | k thx |
| 07:50.53 | Miravlix | No |
| 07:51.02 | Miravlix | The second registration will replace the first? |
| 07:51.24 | Miravlix | But since your registering the same event it will have no visible effect |
| 07:51.56 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 07:52.24 | Miravlix | The details are important when codeing |
| 07:52.38 | KarlKFI | not in this particular case |
| 07:52.46 | KarlKFI | mmm maybe |
| 07:52.51 | KarlKFI | does it reorder it? |
| 07:53.37 | KarlKFI | cause i know if they both reg onload then the first addon code is called first |
| 07:53.48 | KarlKFI | if i rereg the first code will it be called 2nd? |
| 07:54.49 | Miravlix | Dunno |
| 07:55.07 | krka|work | you shouldn't have code that relies on event order |
| 07:55.18 | KarlKFI | ;) YOU shouldn't |
| 07:55.26 | KarlKFI | i do it all the time |
| 07:55.40 | KarlKFI | for instance with circular dependancies |
| 07:56.24 | KarlKFI | better than hooking imo |
| 07:56.49 | KarlKFI | esp since you can safely unreg w/o using the same lib |
| 07:56.53 | Kemayo|sleep | Goodnight all. |
| 07:57.56 | KarlKFI | night kemayo |
| 07:59.18 | krka|work | circular dependencies? wtf? |
| 07:59.52 | Miravlix | addon X depend on addon Y that depend on addon Z that depends on addon X |
| 08:00.34 | krka|work | that should never happen :/ |
| 08:00.39 | KarlKFI | ha |
| 08:00.51 | KarlKFI | khaos, mobileframes, visopt |
| 08:01.08 | Miravlix | Libram depends on addons that use it, but the addons depends on libram |
| 08:01.19 | krka|work | broken design, imo |
| 08:01.26 | Miravlix | Yeps |
| 08:01.33 | Miravlix | But I can't change Blizzards broken code |
| 08:01.39 | KarlKFI | happens when two or three libs refrence eachother |
| 08:01.48 | Tem | is that to prevent Libram from loading if addons that use it aren't present? |
| 08:01.53 | krka|work | those aren't blizzard code? |
| 08:02.29 | Miravlix | Tem: The problem was when it was needed that Libram messed up Blizzards questlog so it needed PartyQuests to be loaded to hide the broken Bliz questlog |
| 08:02.48 | Tem | ah |
| 08:03.20 | Miravlix | Anyway, prolly going to 'embed' libram into PQ next time I do an update run |
| 08:03.25 | KarlKFI | Hhaos uses MF's movement code, MF uses Khaos's GUI options, MF uses VisOpts registration, VisOpts uses Khaos's GUI, thus MF has to register for khaos onvars loaded and visopts has to reregister with khaos whenever anything registers with it and khaos has to loop untill all registrations are caught |
| 08:04.41 | Tem | and... this works? |
| 08:04.47 | krka|work | O_o |
| 08:04.48 | KarlKFI | khaos's MF usage is in xml so it required optional dep and loading first and VisOpts had khaos dep but MF had VisOpts dep |
| 08:04.59 | krka|work | the goggles, they do nothing |
| 08:05.17 | KarlKFI | it works now |
| 08:05.55 | KarlKFI | happens when your compilation is tightly integrated and has ... what... 8 libraries? |
| 08:06.55 | KarlKFI | Sea, Chronos, Sky, Earth, Khaos, VisOpts, MobileFrames, MobileMinimapButtons, IsMounted, Libram... |
| 08:06.58 | KarlKFI | that all? |
| 08:07.22 | Tem | I'm glad I don't have to fool with that |
| 08:07.29 | Tem | looks like a bitch to maintain |
| 08:08.14 | KarlKFI | well, krka's method is to put all of the libs in one app |
| 08:08.30 | KarlKFI | that works better and is easier, but doesn't do much for modularity |
| 08:08.44 | KarlKFI | and we have enough trouble with people thinking Sea is big.. |
| 08:09.55 | krka|work | is that my method? :) |
| 08:10.34 | KarlKFI | krkaTools? or something similar |
| 08:11.05 | KarlKFI | don't you have a one-lib-to-rule-them-all? or am i thinking of someone else |
| 08:11.21 | krka|work | well, i have krkaUtils... but's hardly a lib for everything |
| 08:11.36 | krka|work | MapLibrary handles all my mapping needs |
| 08:11.45 | KarlKFI | haven't ever heard any descression about what goes in it |
| 08:11.51 | KarlKFI | mmk |
| 08:11.55 | krka|work | krkaUtils just provides scanning for data |
| 08:11.59 | KarlKFI | mmk |
| 08:12.07 | krka|work | ok... maybe a few small generic utilities :OP |
| 08:12.22 | krka|work | spells / items / inventory / buffs |
| 08:12.27 | KarlKFI | ;) |
| 08:13.01 | krka|work | no real overhead by loading all of them though |
| 08:13.08 | krka|work | it doesn't actually compute anything unless asked |
| 08:13.15 | krka|work | and each task is very simple |
| 08:13.49 | KarlKFI | right, of those 3 with circular deps, none are simple |
| 08:15.13 | krka|work | maybe they should be split up in a different way? |
| 08:15.51 | KarlKFI | well, there is another way to do it now with dynamioc frames, but i have to finish rewriting MF first |
| 08:16.21 | KarlKFI | once that's done the MF lib usage can be a lua call and doesn't need to use the MF xml template |
| 08:16.46 | KarlKFI | then khaos can load first and then visopts and then mf |
| 08:16.52 | KarlKFI | with no problems |
| 08:17.14 | KarlKFI | khaos will just have to register with mf onvarsloaded |
| 08:17.39 | Miravlix | Ugh need to restart |
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| 08:41.05 | ckknight | anyone want to try FuBar? |
| 08:42.53 | Shouryuu | I would, buttt I have no WoW |
| 08:43.02 | ckknight | why not? |
| 08:43.08 | Tem | my server should be down by now |
| 08:43.09 | Shouryuu | not installed =( |
| 08:43.37 | ckknight | why not install it? |
| 08:44.20 | Shouryuu | Because if I do, I'll probably stop working, throw my life out the window and die of starvation after a 6 week WoW marathon |
| 08:44.31 | ckknight | alright |
| 08:44.35 | Shouryuu | hehe |
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| 08:49.34 | Miravlix | Someone write a lua mode for X-chat |
| 08:49.52 | Miravlix | Oh well, Perl will have to do. :p |
| 08:49.57 | Shouryuu | lol kremonte you there? |
| 08:50.22 | Tem | for what, Miravlix? |
| 08:50.44 | Miravlix | scripting |
| 08:50.58 | Tem | like? |
| 08:51.39 | Miravlix | I'm tired of codeing in C, C++, Perl, PHP, XML, Lua, awk, bash and all the others I forgot. |
| 08:51.44 | Miravlix | Everything should be lua. |
| 08:52.20 | ckknight | ... |
| 08:52.23 | ckknight | no |
| 08:52.25 | KarlKFI | ol |
| 08:52.36 | KarlKFI | \o/ |
| 08:53.34 | Miravlix | Oh come it would be nice having one universially accepted scripting language for everything |
| 08:53.58 | Shouryuu | But diversity is good! |
| 08:54.12 | ckknight | I don't always want to script |
| 08:54.25 | Miravlix | I always want to script. :p |
| 08:54.36 | ckknight | would you script a kernel? |
| 08:54.40 | Miravlix | I'll spend weeks on avoiding 5 mins work |
| 08:54.49 | ckknight | or something that worked intimately with the hardware? |
| 08:55.08 | krka|work | i don't mind other languages as long as they're nice |
| 08:55.21 | krka|work | python is just as nice as lua |
| 08:55.26 | krka|work | almost anyway |
| 08:55.36 | Shouryuu | I haven't met mean languages yet... |
| 08:55.44 | Miravlix | Whats that got to do with me wanting lua in x-chat, web, OS script language? |
| 08:55.45 | krka|work | ckknight, why wouldn't lua be able to write hardware near stuff? |
| 08:55.46 | KarlKFI | i'm a python fan, ya |
| 08:55.51 | krka|work | as long as you have the necessary api |
| 08:56.02 | krka|work | and compile it down |
| 08:56.17 | ckknight | python is nice |
| 08:56.22 | krka|work | actually, forget what i just said, garbage collection would be a bitch |
| 08:56.38 | Miravlix | Having one language that works everywhere I script would be nice |
| 08:57.17 | krka|work | i routinely use lua, javascript, python, php, c, java |
| 08:57.19 | s|loup | need some better way for this http://wow.pastebin.com/639500 |
| 08:57.32 | s|loup | any hints are welcome |
| 08:57.38 | krka|work | better way for what exactly? |
| 08:57.49 | s|loup | the local tables |
| 08:58.14 | s|loup | if possible then i want to stuck it together with a more efficient way |
| 08:58.19 | ckknight | your xyz function is wrong |
| 08:58.28 | ckknight | instead of == 0, do == nil |
| 08:58.51 | s|loup | ? |
| 08:58.56 | krka|work | no, don't do == nil, that's slower than "not" |
| 08:59.17 | Miravlix | But not works for nil and false |
| 08:59.25 | krka|work | yeah |
| 08:59.37 | ckknight | I prefer == nil, even if it is slower |
| 08:59.37 | krka|work | for most cases that's not an issue |
| 08:59.40 | s|loup | if a checkbutton is unset the GetChecked() function will become nil? |
| 08:59.46 | ckknight | how much slower is it? |
| 08:59.56 | KarlKFI | yes sloup |
| 08:59.58 | krka|work | no, blizzard uses 0 / 1 for that i think? |
| 09:00.01 | krka|work | i could be wrong |
| 09:00.05 | KarlKFI | no, nil/1 |
| 09:00.07 | krka|work | long time since i played with this |
| 09:00.08 | s|loup | i thouht it will be 0/1 |
| 09:00.13 | krka|work | ckknight, not sure |
| 09:00.26 | KarlKFI | if ( this:GetChecked() ) then |
| 09:00.27 | ckknight | I dunno, I'm confused now |
| 09:00.37 | ckknight | oh, this:GetChecked() returns 1 or nil |
| 09:00.48 | KarlKFI | right |
| 09:01.03 | s|loup | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CheckButton_GetChecked hm ok |
| 09:01.09 | s|loup | ssems nil |
| 09:01.27 | s|loup | thx but is there a way to efficient the tables? |
| 09:01.35 | Miravlix | What part of the API thats made by Blizzard doesn't return 1 and nil? |
| 09:02.07 | krka|work | == nil generates an EQ opcode |
| 09:02.14 | krka|work | not just generates a TEST |
| 09:02.24 | KarlKFI | mm, the CVars return 0/1i think |
| 09:02.46 | ckknight | right, KarlKFI |
| 09:02.57 | KarlKFI | which is wht ancient Cosmos used that method |
| 09:03.05 | KarlKFI | khaos uses true/false |
| 09:03.17 | krka|work | 1/nil FTW |
| 09:03.24 | Miravlix | 1/0 is evil |
| 09:03.29 | KarlKFI | nil is better for unset |
| 09:03.36 | Miravlix | 1/nil is borderline |
| 09:03.37 | KarlKFI | on/off/unset |
| 09:03.41 | Miravlix | true/false rules! |
| 09:03.44 | KarlKFI | true/false/nil |
| 09:04.14 | s|loup | oh goddness what have i've done |
| 09:04.18 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 09:04.20 | KarlKFI | if type(x)=='boolean' then |
| 09:04.36 | Shouryuu | can you create types in lua> |
| 09:04.55 | KarlKFI | dunno, wouldn't surprise me, but I've never heard of it |
| 09:05.19 | krka|work | nope |
| 09:05.19 | Miravlix | local newtype = typeclass |
| 09:05.28 | Shouryuu | Cause I'm *trying* to write a chess add-on, and I think the best way of doing things would be with types |
| 09:05.28 | Miravlix | It can kinda work with some meta table magic |
| 09:05.38 | Shouryuu | like type Rook |
| 09:05.48 | Shouryuu | ok no meta tables for me |
| 09:06.14 | Miravlix | Wimp. :p |
| 09:06.17 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 09:06.26 | KarlKFI | just use a table as a piece |
| 09:06.33 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 09:06.36 | KarlKFI | with an index of .type |
| 09:06.38 | Shouryuu | that's what I want to do |
| 09:06.46 | Miravlix | would be local rook = makemearook:create() |
| 09:06.50 | KarlKFI | and a .x and .y for position |
| 09:06.59 | Shouryuu | Aye |
| 09:07.16 | Shouryuu | But I'm not a very good coder so I'm kinda getting lost :P |
| 09:07.26 | Shouryuu | types would have been easier |
| 09:07.30 | KarlKFI | makemearook() woudl work fine to return a table |
| 09:07.33 | Miravlix | and you put function legalmoves(9 |
| 09:07.39 | ckknight | brb |
| 09:07.46 | Shouryuu | I'm not there yet |
| 09:07.52 | Miravlix | so you can queue the piece itself to see where it can move |
| 09:07.58 | krka|work | i prefer local rook = newRook() |
| 09:08.09 | krka|work | where newRook() is the only global that needs to be defined for the class |
| 09:08.33 | Miravlix | I think, I would prefair local chessboard = Chessboard:new() |
| 09:08.50 | Miravlix | Or chessboard = ChessTemplate |
| 09:08.53 | Miravlix | and meta = |
| 09:09.16 | krka|work | : indicates an instance method instead of a class method |
| 09:09.16 | krka|work | imo |
| 09:09.27 | Miravlix | ChessTemplate would then be made up of pawns, rooks, etc. objects |
| 09:09.48 | krka|work | ok, here are the results from my test |
| 09:10.40 | krka|work | http://wow.pastebin.com/639506 |
| 09:10.49 | krka|work | kinda bad test though... see if i can improve it |
| 09:11.33 | Miravlix | That isn't from WoW though |
| 09:11.48 | Miravlix | Prolly lua 5.x? |
| 09:14.12 | krka|work | huh? |
| 09:14.24 | krka|work | no not from wow |
| 09:14.28 | Miravlix | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-argentdawn&t=253872&p=1&tmp=1#post253872 |
| 09:14.43 | Miravlix | Event Optimization |
| 09:15.02 | krka|work | yeah i read that |
| 09:15.05 | krka|work | i still thing my way is better |
| 09:15.30 | Miravlix | Your way could take 10 minutes to run and do it all backwards and you would still think it was better. |
| 09:15.44 | krka|work | no |
| 09:16.12 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 09:16.43 | krka|work | here's my new test: http://wow.pastebin.com/639519 |
| 09:16.54 | Miravlix | Maybe we should actually implement his suggestion in AIOI |
| 09:16.55 | krka|work | shows that x == nil is about twice as slow as not x |
| 09:17.18 | krka|work | here's my method: onEvents simply set the dirty flag for the relevant object |
| 09:17.38 | krka|work | then when requested, check if it's dirty, if so update, else return the cached value |
| 09:18.07 | Miravlix | No it shows something about lua 5.x |
| 09:19.04 | krka|work | what does wow use? |
| 09:20.33 | Miravlix | A hacked version of lua 4.x with weird side effects? |
| 09:20.44 | Miravlix | Like the tainted system in 1.10 |
| 09:21.28 | krka|work | oh, it's 4.x |
| 09:23.19 | Miravlix | Hmm, why does AIOI initialize vars based on addon_loaded and player_login |
| 09:23.29 | Miravlix | When they fire before variables_loaded |
| 09:23.40 | Miravlix | and addon_loaded fires for every addon that loads |
| 09:24.27 | KarlKFI | hmm... if you register this:RegisterForClicks("LeftButtonDown", "LeftButtonUp"); if calls OnClick on down AND up and you can call two input driven actions... |
| 09:25.11 | Miravlix | Karl: You can do unlimited number of input requireing actions pr. hardware event |
| 09:25.22 | Miravlix | It's just global cooldown that limit us |
| 09:25.38 | KarlKFI | mmk |
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| 09:25.54 | KarlKFI | less finger movement? |
| 09:26.38 | Miravlix | if ( IsAddOnLoaded("DepositBox") ) then |
| 09:26.38 | Miravlix | end |
| 09:27.18 | Miravlix | Did they mess up AIOI when they put AIOIKhaos support into it? |
| 09:27.31 | Miravlix | Doesn't look like Sarf to have this messed up code |
| 09:28.26 | krka|work | no Miravlix, that's not true |
| 09:28.58 | krka|work | you can't do this: CastSpell(...) t = time() while time() < t + 10 do end CastSpell(...) |
| 09:28.59 | Miravlix | Whats not true? |
| 09:29.08 | krka|work | can't do unlimited amount of actions |
| 09:29.18 | krka|work | pre 1.10 you couldn't even do multiple movements per keypress |
| 09:29.19 | Miravlix | Yes you can |
| 09:29.25 | krka|work | could either turn or forward but not both |
| 09:29.45 | Miravlix | You can do unlimited number of CastSpells pr. hardware event |
| 09:29.52 | Miravlix | or UseAction, or whatever |
| 09:30.00 | krka|work | pretty sure Lego (among people) tested it and it didn't work |
| 09:30.10 | Miravlix | You can't even call ToggleAutoRun() from a macro anymore |
| 09:30.23 | Miravlix | the UI tells you to unload wow because it's a disabled feature |
| 09:30.40 | Miravlix | It works fine |
| 09:31.09 | Miravlix | I do CastSpellByName("Natures Swiftness");SpellStopCasting();CastSpellByName("Healing Touch") |
| 09:31.19 | Miravlix | And there is many other examples of chaining stuff |
| 09:31.19 | krka|work | those are instant casts |
| 09:31.21 | krka|work | works different |
| 09:31.29 | krka|work | doesn't work for general spellcasting |
| 09:32.00 | Miravlix | [11:25] <Miravlix> It's just global cooldown that limit us |
| 09:32.17 | krka|work | like... CastSpellByName("Blink"); <loop for 20 seconds> CastSpellByName("Blink") does NOT work |
| 09:32.34 | Miravlix | It used to |
| 09:32.49 | Miravlix | But I've never had a reason to do those bots |
| 09:32.52 | krka|work | very long time ago |
| 09:34.12 | Miravlix | Ugh, why do I even look at code sometimes |
| 09:40.56 | Miravlix | local frame = getglobal("AllInOneInventoryFrame"); |
| 09:41.10 | KarlKFI | heh |
| 09:41.12 | Miravlix | Is there any time in the way you can do lua where this is ever needed? |
| 09:43.11 | krka|work | if getglobal gets hooked |
| 09:43.21 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 09:48.16 | Miravlix | ... |
| 09:50.30 | Shouryuu | I hate writting code for people, and not seeing a "it works"/"it doesn't" asnwer |
| 09:54.55 | Miravlix | There rewrote AIOI to disable itself on player_leaving_world and activate after player_entering_world |
| 10:00.51 | Miravlix | Did I just make my system insta zone |
| 10:00.57 | Miravlix | By changing Aioi this way |
| 10:01.46 | Shouryuu | god damn I hate my internet connection |
| 10:03.27 | Shouryuu | I think I might want to test another router, but I have no idea how I can do that without buying one |
| 10:04.35 | [MoonWolf] | borrow one from a friend. |
| 10:04.52 | Shouryuu | Yeah but sadly enough I don't think my friends know what a router is |
| 10:04.58 | Shouryuu | French are *really* computer ignorant |
| 10:05.25 | Shouryuu | I mean, worst than me :p |
| 10:06.29 | Shouryuu|Work | I;m off |
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| 10:11.11 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 10:11.48 | Miravlix | Hey CSMS |
| 10:13.01 | Miravlix | From minutes zoning to seconds... |
| 10:13.35 | krka|work | O_o |
| 10:13.44 | krka|work | good thing i was not using that addon |
| 10:30.39 | Miravlix | Whats better flag or UnregisterEvent? |
| 10:32.47 | krka|work | huh? |
| 10:33.35 | ComicSansMS | hmm... my belly sais UnregisterEvent(), haven't tested it though |
| 10:33.52 | Miravlix | use a true/false flag to skip processing in OnEvent or use UnRegisterEvent so we don't get called at all |
| 10:36.15 | s|loup | if you doesnt unregister the event the onevent function will be called again so unregister will be better |
| 10:36.43 | s|loup | you can also delete the OnEvent-handler ^^ |
| 10:36.59 | s|loup | this:SetScript("OnEvent", nil); |
| 10:40.06 | krka|work | then how will you restore it? :P |
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| 10:44.58 | ComicSansMS | you could save it prior to destroying using this:GetScript() ^^ |
| 10:46.41 | Miravlix | And then make an OnUpdate handler to activate it |
| 10:46.46 | Miravlix | erro no |
| 10:47.55 | Miravlix | Killing the event handler seems like the last thing you want to do |
| 10:48.59 | Miravlix | 13 seconds zoning |
| 10:49.11 | Miravlix | That just isn't fast enough, must improve more addons! |
| 10:58.20 | s|loup | if it is a visible addon you can restore the handler OnShow |
| 10:58.47 | Tem | it's much easier to Unregister |
| 10:59.19 | s|loup | but as i think its best to unregister because the table of events will be always searched and with unregister the table will be as short as possible |
| 10:59.37 | wereHamster | did anyone read this: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-argentdawn&t=253872 ? |
| 10:59.51 | [MoonWolf] | I did |
| 10:59.58 | [MoonWolf] | nothing revolutionary... more like common sense. |
| 11:00.31 | Tem | Honestly, it's something we've known about for a few months |
| 11:00.56 | Tem | I'm glad that it's becoming more common knowledge though |
| 11:01.21 | s|loup | a question i cant resolve is: why did they use strings for events instead of IDs |
| 11:01.30 | [MoonWolf] | everybody can grab one of the many event viewers and come to the same conclusions. |
| 11:01.38 | s|loup | would IDs not be more efficient? |
| 11:02.11 | Tem | you mean for event names? |
| 11:02.17 | s|loup | yes |
| 11:02.47 | Tem | If I had to guess I'd say ease of use |
| 11:03.23 | [MoonWolf] | hey do you know what 288375 does ??? |
| 11:03.24 | Tem | really the only events you need to just not watch during a zone are BAG_UPDATE, UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED, ITEM_LOCK_CHANGED, ACTIONBAR_SLOT_CHANGED, and possibly one or 2 more that I didn't remember |
| 11:03.33 | krka|work | yes, i frankly think that that approach is fundamentally bad |
| 11:04.02 | krka|work | intensive code on demand, instead of on event |
| 11:04.14 | s|loup | if there is a list of what ID is what event it would be easy to know what 288375 does ;) |
| 11:04.20 | Tem | an enum system if lua had one would have been prefereable, but I don't think there is anything wrong with strings |
| 11:04.48 | s|loup | thought that compare string ned more time than numbers |
| 11:04.51 | krka|work | think of a string as a pointer instead |
| 11:04.54 | krka|work | that's all it is |
| 11:04.57 | krka|work | no s|loup |
| 11:05.05 | krka|work | s1 == s2 is as fast as an integer compare |
| 11:05.14 | wereHamster | in lua.. |
| 11:05.24 | krka|work | if two strings are equal, then they reference the same string |
| 11:05.25 | Tem | not true in C |
| 11:05.36 | ckknight | do they point to the same object in memory? |
| 11:05.36 | krka|work | agreed |
| 11:05.37 | [MoonWolf] | well ofcourse we can only talk about the lua side, we have no idea what goes on in the C |
| 11:05.40 | ckknight | ah, cool |
| 11:05.41 | krka|work | yes ckknight |
| 11:05.48 | ckknight | alright, then |
| 11:05.56 | ckknight | what about "alphabravo" and "alpha" .. "bravo" ? |
| 11:06.14 | krka|work | "alpha" .. "bravo" creates "alphabravo" internally |
| 11:06.15 | Tem | ckknight: in lua strings are internal |
| 11:06.20 | ckknight | okay |
| 11:06.21 | krka|work | then checks that it already exists |
| 11:06.26 | krka|work | and returns a reference to the old version |
| 11:06.28 | [MoonWolf] | evertying (almost) is a reference |
| 11:06.37 | [MoonWolf] | instead of an actual container. |
| 11:06.37 | Tem | ckknight: think of it as the java String.intern |
| 11:07.05 | ckknight | or .NET System.String.Intern |
| 11:07.30 | ckknight | I understand what's going on |
| 11:07.37 | ckknight | just didn't know Lua did it that way |
| 11:08.24 | krka|work | pretty cool, imo |
| 11:08.30 | ckknight | yea |
| 11:08.37 | krka|work | which is why you also don't need to worry about long strings consuming memory |
| 11:08.40 | krka|work | atleast if they're static |
| 11:08.57 | ckknight | wait, why? |
| 11:09.02 | krka|work | sorry, i was unclear |
| 11:09.11 | ckknight | or do you mean equal strings? |
| 11:09.21 | krka|work | you can use the string "The Barrens" as much as you want, for instance |
| 11:09.32 | krka|work | there will still only be one instance of it |
| 11:09.42 | krka|work | the only extra cost is the reference |
| 11:10.40 | ckknight | okay |
| 11:11.09 | krka|work | in other words, don't be afraid to use long variable / key-names |
| 11:11.25 | Miravlix | But temp tables is baad |
| 11:11.45 | krka|work | that was a random thing to say |
| 11:11.58 | Tem | random but appropriate |
| 11:12.13 | Tem | tables should only be used when you actually need |
| 11:12.26 | krka|work | agreed |
| 11:12.27 | Tem | and should be reused as much as possible |
| 11:12.36 | krka|work | agreed |
| 11:12.43 | krka|work | atleast for idle work |
| 11:12.51 | ckknight | tables are bad, I agree |
| 11:12.58 | ckknight | well, temporary ones |
| 11:13.03 | krka|work | if it's only performed upon stuff that happens rarely and/or with user interaction it's fine |
| 11:13.05 | ckknight | especially ones created repeatedly |
| 11:14.39 | krka|work | i didn't know luas garbage collection was so bad when i first wrote autotravel |
| 11:14.45 | krka|work | i implemented vector algebra with tables :/ |
| 11:14.48 | krka|work | big mistake |
| 11:15.15 | krka|work | function add(v1, v2) local ret = {} ret.x = v1.x + v2.x ret.y = v1.y + v2.y return ret end |
| 11:15.17 | krka|work | don't do that :) |
| 11:15.48 | ckknight | instead, you implement a += instead of a plus |
| 11:16.04 | krka|work | no, i did this insteaad: |
| 11:16.07 | ckknight | then make a + function from that |
| 11:16.27 | krka|work | function add(v1x, v1y, v2x, v2y) return v1x + v2x, v1y + v2y end |
| 11:17.04 | Miravlix | variable number of arguments returned from a function goes straight to the garbage |
| 11:18.25 | Miravlix | So while a function like this is somewhat nice on paper, don't call it a lot |
| 11:19.11 | Miravlix | Or pass around a reused table instead |
| 11:19.20 | krka|work | are you talking about something completely different again? |
| 11:19.26 | Miravlix | 24 seconds, to continent zone |
| 11:19.31 | Miravlix | Nope |
| 11:19.46 | Miravlix | I'm talking about the crap function you just posted. |
| 11:19.54 | krka|work | which one? |
| 11:19.56 | krka|work | crap 1, or crap 2? |
| 11:20.06 | Miravlix | [13:16] <krka|work> function add(v1x, v1y, v2x, v2y) return v1x + v2x, v1y + v2y end |
| 11:20.09 | krka|work | crap 1 creates a table, crap 2 creates nothing extra |
| 11:20.20 | Miravlix | That one is bad |
| 11:20.25 | krka|work | how? |
| 11:20.38 | Miravlix | returning more than one value from a function creates garbage |
| 11:21.04 | s|loup | like the function from the api? |
| 11:21.27 | Miravlix | It was part of the major Cosmos fixup a while ago |
| 11:21.33 | krka|work | i think you're wrong |
| 11:21.39 | Miravlix | We had variable number of arguments returning function |
| 11:21.42 | Miravlix | I'm never wrong |
| 11:21.59 | krka|work | i will make a test for it |
| 11:22.20 | s|loup | oO you never wrong Oo |
| 11:22.31 | Miravlix | We had functions that was called a lot making Cosmos run at 90K/sec garbage creation |
| 11:22.33 | s|loup | you are god *praise* |
| 11:22.46 | AnduinLothar | wasn't that ... tho? |
| 11:23.05 | Miravlix | .. creates a string, so it isn't too bad |
| 11:23.16 | Miravlix | Lua will resuse strings |
| 11:23.39 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 11:23.52 | Miravlix | and there doesn't seem to be any speed issue with doing "aklsajlkj" .. "kasljlksj" |
| 11:24.06 | krka|work | done |
| 11:24.09 | krka|work | wanna see the results of my test? |
| 11:24.19 | Miravlix | Or you mean functions with variable number of arguments passed to them? |
| 11:24.46 | Miravlix | I did my own tests 6 months or so ago |
| 11:25.16 | krka|work | http://wow.pastebin.com/639661 |
| 11:25.20 | krka|work | here's my test case |
| 11:25.20 | Miravlix | Unless your a Blizzard API doing return value1, value2, value3 sucks |
| 11:25.27 | s|loup | if that is real then it will be danger to call functions like GetRaidRosterInfo(Index) |
| 11:25.27 | krka|work | it prints the same thing before and after |
| 11:25.37 | krka|work | feel free to find flaws in the test |
| 11:25.39 | Miravlix | Nope |
| 11:25.45 | Miravlix | Blizzard APi functions cheats |
| 11:26.03 | Miravlix | They don't have the same limitation as us |
| 11:26.34 | krka|work | have i made my test wrong? |
| 11:26.52 | krka|work | also Miravlix, don't confuse ... with .. |
| 11:26.59 | s|loup | why should they implement a limitation in return vals? |
| 11:27.22 | krka|work | Miravlix, have i misunderstood your statement? |
| 11:27.23 | Miravlix | Our limitation is that we create garbage |
| 11:27.30 | krka|work | <Miravlix> returning more than one value from a function creates garbage |
| 11:27.34 | krka|work | what exactly do you mean by that? |
| 11:27.42 | krka|work | my test does this, and doesn't create garbage |
| 11:27.44 | Miravlix | Where our code will create garbage isn't true of Blizzard API calls |
| 11:27.56 | krka|work | can you give an example? |
| 11:28.33 | Miravlix | Look at the Wiki and every multiple return value function |
| 11:28.40 | Miravlix | None of them has any issues. |
| 11:29.07 | krka|work | so give an example that has issues |
| 11:29.15 | krka|work | i seriously don't know what you're talking about |
| 11:30.20 | krka|work | maybe your code creates garbage, mine doesn't :P |
| 11:31.21 | krka|work | eep! my home computer went dead |
| 11:31.42 | ComicSansMS | you mean internally lua returns a table holding the multiple results? |
| 11:32.25 | krka|work | lua pushes results on the stack |
| 11:32.30 | Shouryuu|Angry | the library I wanted to go work to was on strike :@ |
| 11:32.39 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 11:32.43 | krka|work | work on library? O_o |
| 11:32.44 | ckknight | lousy French |
| 11:32.51 | ckknight | always striking |
| 11:32.55 | [MoonWolf] | I fully support the current french strikes |
| 11:33.03 | s|loup | krka|work tr this one http://wow.pastebin.com/639669 |
| 11:33.08 | ckknight | what are they about? |
| 11:33.17 | Shouryuu|Angry | Looooooooooooooooong story |
| 11:33.23 | ComicSansMS | ^^ |
| 11:33.30 | krka|work | i can't my home computer died |
| 11:33.36 | [MoonWolf] | a minister want to create a law that makes it easyer to hire and FIRE young people. |
| 11:33.37 | Shouryuu|Angry | I don't even remotely want to try and explain |
| 11:33.37 | krka|work | that's my only way to test lua code atm |
| 11:33.46 | s|loup | bring him back to life |
| 11:33.56 | s|loup | you need first aid? ^^ |
| 11:34.06 | [MoonWolf] | thats the gist of it, from what I understand from our news. |
| 11:34.16 | Shouryuu|Angry | basicly yeah. But it also changes a lot of things about what securities are guaranteed |
| 11:34.19 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/639671 |
| 11:34.31 | Miravlix | Thats the code I used to test |
| 11:34.45 | Shouryuu|Angry | It's complicated to explain |
| 11:34.51 | Shouryuu|Angry | but it's much more than that |
| 11:34.57 | [MoonWolf] | anyway, your minister is like the biggest most stuborn idiot ever. |
| 11:35.07 | Shouryuu|Angry | yeah lol |
| 11:35.15 | [MoonWolf] | hey the whole country is going on strike, maybe they want to discuss the details. |
| 11:35.35 | Shouryuu|Angry | Well you know the situation isn't as bad as the news say |
| 11:35.44 | krka|work | it was my brother who rebooted... now i can test agian |
| 11:35.49 | Shouryuu|Angry | lol |
| 11:36.45 | krka|work | same thing there s|loup |
| 11:36.57 | Miravlix | Though my test code is older than my SVN, so not sure it's all of it |
| 11:37.19 | Miravlix | Well, my old SVN is on a crashed harddisk, but I beleive it was Lix_Print I used |
| 11:37.33 | krka|work | which function there is supposed to create garbage Miravlix? |
| 11:37.35 | krka|work | ok |
| 11:37.38 | s|loup | Lix_maketable( Lix_Print( string ) ); <-- you mean lix_string did you? |
| 11:37.56 | Miravlix | Dunno |
| 11:38.00 | Miravlix | The code is months old |
| 11:38.56 | s|loup | Lix_string = "This is a test"; <-- that is on top of the code and string isnt known in the code as i can see |
| 11:39.06 | Miravlix | And it's one of many revisions of the test code, so this is pretty late |
| 11:39.35 | Miravlix | In the testing, before I stopped trying to find a solution |
| 11:40.02 | krka|work | so how do i test this? |
| 11:40.05 | Miravlix | But Sea and CastOptions was redone due to some of that test code. |
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| 11:40.23 | Shouryuu|Angry | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.45 | AnduinLothar | what are you claiming? |
| 11:41.02 | krka|work | Miravlix claims that returning multiple values from a function creates garbage |
| 11:41.12 | Miravlix | Back when we had tons of problems with Cosmos and garbage creation |
| 11:41.32 | AnduinLothar | not that I know of. it was mostly due to elipses and unpacks |
| 11:41.43 | krka|work | yes, that would seem likely |
| 11:41.44 | [MoonWolf] | there cleared that up. |
| 11:41.53 | [MoonWolf] | the unpacks are evill yes |
| 11:41.54 | krka|work | gonna assume Miravlix was wrong until proven otherwise |
| 11:42.11 | AnduinLothar | lol, you guys are thugs |
| 11:42.15 | Shouryuu|Angry | lol |
| 11:42.18 | Miravlix | I was working on recodeing, but couldn't create |
| 11:42.18 | krka|work | thugs? |
| 11:42.21 | Miravlix | Fuck you krka |
| 11:42.26 | AnduinLothar | see |
| 11:42.34 | krka|work | I am just interested in learning how Lua works |
| 11:42.36 | Miravlix | I worked fore freaking months trying to fix these issues |
| 11:42.44 | krka|work | nothing personal |
| 11:42.49 | [MoonWolf] | an aggressive and violent young criminal |
| 11:43.08 | Shouryuu|Angry | is a thug |
| 11:43.15 | krka|work | did we not just conclude that the statement that multiple return values create garbage was false? |
| 11:43.20 | Miravlix | Cosmos had Unpacks, but that wasn't the only problem. |
| 11:43.21 | AnduinLothar | the .../unpacks we converted to a1,a2,a3 etc to fix the gc problem |
| 11:43.29 | krka|work | yeah, just didn't see how thug applied |
| 11:43.59 | AnduinLothar | cause you're being an ass and mira wont back down |
| 11:44.19 | Shouryuu|Angry | that's one way of saying things |
| 11:44.27 | krka|work | sorry, didn't intend to be an ass |
| 11:44.28 | AnduinLothar | like two thugs bickering on the corner before beating the crap out of eachother |
| 11:44.49 | [MoonWolf] | can we skip to the beating crap part now ? |
| 11:44.58 | Shouryuu|Angry | ~lart [MoonWolf] |
| 11:45.01 | Miravlix | I couldn't find a solution to it, because no matter what option I took it still created a ton of garbage |
| 11:45.06 | ckknight | I'm watching She's the Man |
| 11:45.11 | ckknight | transvestism at its best |
| 11:45.15 | Shouryuu|Angry | lool |
| 11:45.27 | [MoonWolf] | ckknight, pervert :P |
| 11:45.38 | Shouryuu|Angry | haha |
| 11:45.41 | Miravlix | The reason for the weird maketable |
| 11:45.53 | Miravlix | was one of the really freaky attemts at getting around creating garbage |
| 11:46.07 | Miravlix | I'm 100% sure that return multiplevalues back then created garbage |
| 11:46.23 | ComicSansMS | so you still don't know for sure why it created garbage, you just know ist was there? |
| 11:46.32 | AnduinLothar | mmm i do remember we were making tables at one point and recycling the tables with a function call for creation |
| 11:46.33 | [MoonWolf] | were you returning a table in one of those arguments ? |
| 11:46.55 | [MoonWolf] | AnduinLothar, awesered that before I could ask it. |
| 11:47.05 | Miravlix | Offcourse half my code to test was /script so hard to remember it this long after |
| 11:47.57 | krka|work | only possible garbage in your example is: local retval = {}; and --retval = { GetShapeshiftFormInfo( 1 ) }; |
| 11:49.17 | Miravlix | If it's been fixed |
| 11:49.19 | Miravlix | Then great |
| 11:49.54 | Miravlix | But I'm 100% sure that Lix_Test created garbage |
| 11:52.06 | krka|work | hmm... Lix_Test wasn't included in your post |
| 11:52.39 | Miravlix | Thats becasse it's Lix_Print |
| 11:53.27 | krka|work | i suppose maybe blizzard modified Lua and introduced bugs that affected the stack |
| 11:53.31 | Miravlix | And it still does |
| 11:53.35 | Miravlix | now I'm testing it here |
| 11:53.51 | krka|work | with the actual printing commented out? |
| 11:55.32 | Miravlix | Doing this in game /script for i=0, 1000000 do Lix_Test( "Hej Lua" ) end |
| 11:55.44 | Miravlix | function Lix_Test(string) |
| 11:55.44 | Miravlix | return string, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 |
| 11:55.44 | Miravlix | end |
| 11:55.53 | JoshBorke | for future reference: when nesting for loops, be sure not to get j and i mixed up :-( |
| 11:56.02 | Shouryuu|Angry | lol |
| 11:56.18 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, that can cause, weird behaviour |
| 11:56.27 | krka|work | how much memory is lost Miravlix? |
| 11:57.17 | Shouryuu|Angry | Could someone give me a basic example of when to use metatables? From what I think I understood metatables are basicly used to define different mathematical operations between metamethods. For example defining the addition of x and y as x+y+6. But from what I know I usualy understand, I know I'm wrong. |
| 11:58.03 | ComicSansMS | that's pretty much it @shouryu |
| 11:58.09 | Shouryuu|Angry | w00000t |
| 11:58.14 | Shouryuu|Angry | I understood something! |
| 11:58.27 | krka|work | you can basically overload operators with metatables |
| 11:58.32 | ComicSansMS | another example would be overloading the comparison operatore which can be very useful in some places |
| 11:58.37 | krka|work | +, -, [], et.c. |
| 11:58.40 | ckknight | it's also handy for inheritance |
| 11:58.44 | Shouryuu|Angry | cooool |
| 11:58.45 | [MoonWolf] | or the creation operator. |
| 11:58.55 | [MoonWolf] | I think. |
| 11:58.57 | krka|work | creation operator? |
| 11:58.59 | Shouryuu|Angry | I can't believe I understood that |
| 11:58.59 | krka|work | {}? |
| 11:59.22 | ComicSansMS | {} ain't an operator |
| 11:59.48 | Tem | by creation [MoonWolf] means when you assign a value to a key that previously didn't have one |
| 11:59.48 | ComicSansMS | it's a constructor |
| 12:00.01 | Tem | ie the __newindex metamethod |
| 12:00.14 | krka|work | well, {} is a table constructor atleast |
| 12:00.27 | krka|work | oh you wrote that |
| 12:00.28 | krka|work | nvm |
| 12:00.30 | AnduinLothar | :) I made a sexy lock button |
| 12:00.50 | AnduinLothar | way cooler than anyone else's lock button |
| 12:00.50 | krka|work | as in warlock? |
| 12:00.54 | AnduinLothar | no, for frame movement locking |
| 12:00.56 | Shouryuu|Proud | oh pick pick pick |
| 12:00.58 | krka|work | ah |
| 12:01.01 | Shouryuu|Proud | show me show me show me |
| 12:01.03 | Tem | AnduinLothar: what makes it so special? |
| 12:01.16 | Shouryuu|Proud | I ment pic, not pick |
| 12:01.35 | krka|work | lock pick would make sense too |
| 12:01.41 | Shouryuu|Proud | hehe |
| 12:01.55 | AnduinLothar | it actually has a border, is the right size, matching color and crispy for resizing |
| 12:02.03 | JoshBorke | show us show us |
| 12:02.07 | Shouryuu|Proud | show me already |
| 12:02.12 | AnduinLothar | hold your horses |
| 12:02.14 | ckknight | I found a roll of duct tape in my freezer |
| 12:02.17 | JoshBorke | i want to steal it |
| 12:02.28 | Shouryuu|Proud | ckknight lol |
| 12:02.44 | AnduinLothar | I'm gonna get it included in wow if i can, or at least MovePad |
| 12:03.18 | [MoonWolf] | Slouken is an evil bastard for releasing that. |
| 12:03.28 | Tem | whys that? |
| 12:03.34 | ckknight | it has to be in there for at least like 2 months |
| 12:03.41 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 12:04.28 | Miravlix | On a clean system without addons, it's definately creating way less garbage than my tests did back then |
| 12:05.23 | Shouryuu|Proud | [MoonWolf] I don't understand neither... |
| 12:05.34 | Shouryuu|Proud | Accordion Sex and Alchohol! |
| 12:05.43 | Shouryuu|Proud | w00t! I'm a rebel mom! |
| 12:05.47 | [MoonWolf] | he is taunting us. |
| 12:06.19 | Miravlix | 3K garbage is nothing compared to the easy 100K of garbage that for loop created |
| 12:06.23 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone know the valid index-values for Model:SetCamera ? |
| 12:06.36 | Shouryuu|Proud | not I |
| 12:08.10 | Miravlix | BTW: That for loop is all it takes to lock up wow for a few seconds |
| 12:08.39 | krka|work | for loop creates garbage? O_o |
| 12:08.59 | Miravlix | It creates 3K garbage |
| 12:09.08 | Miravlix | each run of the for loop |
| 12:09.18 | Miravlix | It used to be 300K |
| 12:10.00 | krka|work | i see |
| 12:10.19 | krka|work | very odd |
| 12:11.21 | Miravlix | A clean UI and gcinfo() for loop gcinfo is 3K garbage rise |
| 12:11.56 | krka|work | must be some of sloukens modifications to Lua then |
| 12:12.35 | Miravlix | Future test shows that it's prolly the gcinfo command creating the 3K |
| 12:13.03 | Tem | that seems silly to me |
| 12:13.06 | Miravlix | Or Blizzards UI, there is no difference between 100K for loops or 100 |
| 12:13.37 | Tem | gcinfo returns numbers which have vitually no effect on ui memory |
| 12:13.46 | Tem | s/vit/virt/ |
| 12:13.56 | Miravlix | there is a 3K difference in my macro |
| 12:14.06 | krka|work | _printing_ the gcinfo may have a memory impact |
| 12:14.20 | Miravlix | Nope |
| 12:14.40 | Miravlix | because you do print( gcinfo() ); var = gcinfo() so it doesn't get included |
| 12:14.42 | krka|work | printing it requires a convertion to string, and then printing that string |
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| 12:15.57 | Shouryuu|Proud | and krka|work, just out of curiousity, why did you say my indentation style was bad the other day =( |
| 12:16.26 | krka|work | well, it was :) i can't remember what the code looked like though |
| 12:16.43 | Shouryuu|Proud | something like this |
| 12:16.47 | Shouryuu|Proud | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=351939&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 12:17.08 | Miravlix | script Sea.io.printComma( gcinfo() ) Lix_gcinfo = gcinfo() |
| 12:17.08 | Miravlix | script for i=0, 100 do Lix_Test( "Hej Lua" ) end |
| 12:17.08 | Miravlix | script Lix_gcinfo = gcinfo() - Lix_gcinfo |
| 12:17.08 | Miravlix | script Sea.io.printComma( gcinfo() ) Sea.io.print( Lix_gcinfo ) |
| 12:18.00 | Miravlix | 100K for loops is fine |
| 12:18.08 | Miravlix | 1M = game lockup |
| 12:18.14 | krka|work | actually that looks good Shouryuu|Proud |
| 12:18.22 | Shouryuu|Proud | ha! :P |
| 12:18.32 | Miravlix | 500K = game lockup |
| 12:19.00 | Miravlix | 250K = game lockup |
| 12:19.06 | Shouryuu|ProudX2 | lol |
| 12:19.38 | Miravlix | Even 100K is game stutters, just very minor |
| 12:19.51 | Miravlix | and that is why I'm so obsessed with optimized code in Lua |
| 12:19.58 | Miravlix | it takes NOTHING to lock it up |
| 12:20.38 | Cide | depends on what you do. |
| 12:21.01 | Miravlix | script Sea.io.printComma( gcinfo() ) Lix_gcinfo = gcinfo() |
| 12:21.01 | Miravlix | script for i=0, 100000 do Lix_Test( "Hej Lua" ) end |
| 12:21.01 | Miravlix | script Lix_gcinfo = gcinfo() - Lix_gcinfo |
| 12:21.01 | Miravlix | script Sea.io.printComma( gcinfo() ) Sea.io.print( Lix_gcinfo ) |
| 12:21.06 | Miravlix | I do this |
| 12:21.18 | krka|work | i am pretty sure i looked at a pastebin-thingy first though Shouryuu|ProudX2 |
| 12:21.21 | krka|work | but i can't find that again |
| 12:21.29 | Miravlix | Lix_Test(string) return string, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 end |
| 12:21.38 | Miravlix | Thats DOING NOTING 100K times |
| 12:21.49 | Miravlix | And it impacts the UI |
| 12:22.16 | Shouryuu|ProudX2 | yeah, you said it one the pastebin, but I haven't changed indentation since then =(\ |
| 12:22.33 | krka|work | that's not doing nothing |
| 12:22.38 | krka|work | it's pushing 11 things on the stack |
| 12:22.47 | Miravlix | It's doing nothing |
| 12:22.55 | Miravlix | compared to what a normal function would do |
| 12:23.12 | Miravlix | It would atleast have a 2 + 2 in it or something |
| 12:23.28 | krka|work | 2+2 is cheaper than returning 11 values |
| 12:23.58 | Shouryuu|ProudX2 | I am so changing from WASD to RDFG |
| 12:24.16 | ckknight | this movie is so fucked up |
| 12:24.35 | Miravlix | code is 6 months old and people still haven't gotten a clue |
| 12:24.36 | Shouryuu|ProudX2 | but does anyone know an add-on that improves keybidings, so I can do stuff like z+r as a binding? |
| 12:24.38 | Shouryuu|ProudX2 | which movie? |
| 12:24.47 | ckknight | She's The Man |
| 12:24.53 | Shouryuu|ProudX2 | ah lol |
| 12:25.04 | krka|work | can anyone try this? /script function f(s) return s, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 end g=gcinfo() for i=1,10000 do f("hello world") end message(gcinfo() - g) |
| 12:25.20 | Shouryuu|ProudX2 | I watched Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas the other day, that's fucked up |
| 12:26.02 | ckknight | krka|work, 0 in lua interpreter |
| 12:26.12 | krka|work | yes, but in wow |
| 12:26.59 | krka|work | actually, try this instead: /script function f(s) return s, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 end g s="hello world" g=gcinfo for i=1,10000 do f(s) end message(gcinfo() - g) |
| 12:27.01 | Miravlix | Hmm, that returns 0 |
| 12:27.51 | Wobin_ | alas. Downtime for the US servers =) |
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| 12:27.56 | krka|work | interesting... can't really see the difference to Miravlix code |
| 12:28.06 | Josh_Borke | did i miss the spiffy new icon? |
| 12:28.17 | Shouryuu|ProudX2 | nope |
| 12:28.20 | Shouryuu|ProudX2 | he didn't show =( |
| 12:28.24 | Josh_Borke | that tease |
| 12:28.29 | Shouryuu|ProudX2 | hehe |
| 12:28.50 | Miravlix | script Lix_gcinfo = gcinfo() |
| 12:28.50 | Miravlix | script for i=0, 100000 do Lix_Test( "Hej Lua" ) end |
| 12:28.50 | Miravlix | script Lix_gcinfo = gcinfo() - Lix_gcinfo |
| 12:28.53 | Miravlix | Returns 2 |
| 12:29.11 | Miravlix | 1-2 |
| 12:30.07 | krka|work | the difference must be in Lix_Test then |
| 12:30.39 | Miravlix | The second version returns an error |
| 12:31.24 | Miravlix | The function is no different than yours, but it is defined in a lua file and loaded |
| 12:31.40 | krka|work | maybe the number of returns matter |
| 12:32.06 | krka|work | test: /script function f(s) return s, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 end g s="hello world" g=gcinfo for i=1,10000 do f(s) end message(gcinfo() - g) |
| 12:32.14 | Cide | Miravlix: what does Lix_Test do? |
| 12:32.18 | Miravlix | Already did that |
| 12:32.28 | Miravlix | function Lix_Test(string) |
| 12:32.29 | Miravlix | return string, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 |
| 12:32.29 | Miravlix | end |
| 12:32.32 | Miravlix | Still 0 |
| 12:32.33 | krka|work | have you possibly defined Lix_Test in multiple places? |
| 12:32.39 | Miravlix | No |
| 12:33.01 | Miravlix | Normaly I use Lix<dot> |
| 12:33.32 | krka|work | define the string before the first gcinfo() |
| 12:33.35 | Miravlix | So a Lix_Test is guarenteed to be clean |
| 12:33.57 | krka|work | might just be the "Hej Lua" that's causing garbage |
| 12:34.13 | ckknight | probably the j instead of they y |
| 12:34.15 | ckknight | that must be it |
| 12:34.22 | Miravlix | But your hello world isn't creating garbage? |
| 12:34.44 | krka|work | i defined it before doing the first gcinfo() |
| 12:34.51 | krka|work | atleast my second example |
| 12:35.09 | Miravlix | Your second and third examples is both broken |
| 12:35.15 | Miravlix | and I haven't had time to fix them |
| 12:35.46 | Miravlix | I ran the first version once, then added more return's and ran it again |
| 12:35.54 | krka|work | oh sorry |
| 12:36.04 | krka|work | test: /script function f(s) return s, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 end s="hello world" g=gcinfo for i=1,10000 do f(s) end message(gcinfo() - g) |
| 12:36.28 | Miravlix | Still broken |
| 12:36.33 | Miravlix | something about g |
| 12:36.42 | Miravlix | because g=gcinfo. :P |
| 12:36.46 | krka|work | oops |
| 12:36.48 | krka|work | yeah |
| 12:36.53 | krka|work | test: /script function f(s) return s, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 end s="hello world" g=gcinfo() for i=1,10000 do f(s) end message(gcinfo() - g) |
| 12:37.07 | Miravlix | Returns 0 |
| 12:37.48 | Miravlix | Hmm, lets try it with a Bliz function |
| 12:37.57 | Miravlix | What happends if we for loop gcinfo |
| 12:38.18 | krka|work | did you move your string definition in your test? |
| 12:38.37 | Miravlix | No, I seem to have accidently erased my macro |
| 12:40.45 | Miravlix | script Lix_String = "Hej Lua" |
| 12:40.45 | Miravlix | script Lix_gcinfo = gcinfo() |
| 12:40.45 | Miravlix | script for i=0, 100000 do Lix_Test( Lix_String ) end |
| 12:40.45 | Miravlix | script Lix_gcinfo = gcinfo() - Lix_gcinfo |
| 12:41.06 | Miravlix | So okay, it isn't as much garbage as it used to be |
| 12:41.11 | Miravlix | but it still is some |
| 12:41.29 | Miravlix | Maybe because of taint |
| 12:41.58 | Miravlix | Clearly seems like returning function paramaters no longer incur an overhead, atleast up to 15 return values |
| 12:42.09 | Miravlix | I'm sure if you go high enough it will give up on stacking it |
| 12:42.14 | krka|work | are you doing it in seperate /script? |
| 12:42.22 | krka|work | maybe each /script has some overhead |
| 12:42.39 | Shouryuu | Y a t-il des francais ici? |
| 12:43.25 | Shouryuu | damn that french guy left |
| 12:43.28 | Miravlix | Oh, /script has a lot of overhead. o.O |
| 12:43.29 | krka|work | oui! |
| 12:43.40 | Shouryuu | hehe liar |
| 12:43.46 | Shouryuu | you're not french! |
| 12:44.33 | Miravlix | But I didn't do them all in a macro |
| 12:44.41 | Miravlix | I started out with /script one line |
| 12:47.42 | Miravlix | Well, it's nice they cleaned up the stack, one less thing to worry about |
| 12:47.59 | Shouryuu | lol krka|work how good is your french? |
| 12:48.20 | krka|work | really crappy |
| 12:48.25 | krka|work | non-existant really |
| 12:48.28 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 12:50.46 | krka|work | i am not convinced the stack was ever broken |
| 12:52.07 | AnduinLothar | aww, i can't test my new MovePad.. servers are down. sad day |
| 12:52.11 | AnduinLothar | sleep time then |
| 12:52.20 | Shouryuu | waiiit |
| 12:52.39 | Shouryuu | show me show me show me........ |
| 12:52.58 | AnduinLothar | can't it's top secret. ;) |
| 12:53.05 | Shouryuu | oh noez! |
| 12:53.09 | AnduinLothar | spose i can ss it |
| 12:53.10 | krka|work | you can modify MovePad? |
| 12:53.12 | Shouryuu | if you did you'd have to kill me? |
| 12:53.13 | krka|work | you can sign stuff? |
| 12:53.14 | krka|work | unfair |
| 12:53.16 | AnduinLothar | well. |
| 12:53.22 | AnduinLothar | nah, cant ss it |
| 12:53.35 | AnduinLothar | can't get in wow O.o |
| 12:53.40 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 12:53.53 | Miravlix | I can SS it for you. o.O |
| 12:53.58 | krka|work | o_O |
| 12:54.16 | AnduinLothar | ya, but you can't make it work cause it's not signed yet |
| 12:54.32 | Shouryuu | 0.o.O haaa three eyed monster |
| 12:54.34 | AnduinLothar | but you COULD ss it... |
| 12:54.40 | AnduinLothar | nah |
| 12:54.43 | Josh_Borke | :-( |
| 12:54.46 | AnduinLothar | i'll wait till tomorrow |
| 12:54.54 | AnduinLothar | sleep time |
| 12:54.57 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 12:54.59 | Josh_Borke | what a tease |
| 12:54.59 | Shouryuu | night |
| 12:55.05 | AnduinLothar | ;) |
| 12:55.05 | Josh_Borke | night anduin |
| 13:30.30 | Wobin_ | PS, if anyone wants to know, to ask a CGF Mage for crystal water is "Qingwen, ni gei wo jing shui, ma?" |
| 13:30.51 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 13:31.02 | Shouryuu | CGF lol |
| 13:31.06 | Wobin_ | Or "Ni you jing shui, ma?" Do you have crystal water? |
| 13:31.29 | Wobin_ | I wanted to look it up after the mage in my UBRS raid wasn't overly responsive in english =P |
| 13:31.45 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 13:32.32 | Miravlix | Just use the secret Ninja code |
| 13:33.13 | Miravlix | Actually the second one is Do you want sex, man |
| 13:34.44 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 13:37.16 | Wobin_ | Well... you'd get some lovin |
| 13:37.21 | Wobin_ | But it'd be of the crystal water kind |
| 13:38.56 | Miravlix | Don't trust him, he just want you to say crap in game. |
| 13:40.21 | Wobin_ | Mira wants all the sex |
| 13:41.11 | Miravlix | I thought it was Crystal Water... |
| 13:41.30 | Wobin_ | (and if you thought 'ma' means man...) |
| 13:41.46 | Miravlix | It's a rough translation |
| 13:41.48 | Wobin_ | Crystal Water in game is better than sex |
| 13:42.00 | Wobin_ | Is it ever a rough translation =P |
| 13:42.06 | Miravlix | Not excatly the high of gramma you managed there |
| 13:42.09 | Wobin_ | to the degree of being nowhere near it =P |
| 13:42.35 | Wobin_ | Keep trying Mira =P |
| 13:42.36 | Miravlix | s/high/hight/ |
| 13:42.43 | Wobin_ | height? |
| 13:42.59 | Miravlix | I blame it on 1.10 |
| 13:43.02 | Wobin_ | grammar? |
| 13:43.14 | Miravlix | I havne't sleept in weeks |
| 13:43.21 | Wobin_ | Get to bed =P |
| 13:43.32 | Miravlix | It's 4 o'clock |
| 13:43.35 | Wobin_ | Or are you having an insomniac phase? |
| 13:43.40 | Miravlix | not excatly bed time |
| 13:43.48 | Miravlix | No I just end up codeing a lot |
| 13:43.54 | Wobin_ | Well, if you haven't slept in weeks, any time is a good time for bed |
| 13:43.56 | Miravlix | to few hours in a day |
| 13:44.47 | Miravlix | 24 hour+ awake session with 5 hours sleep |
| 13:44.52 | [MoonWolf] | Take my advice, I don't use it anyway. |
| 13:44.57 | Miravlix | it does wicked things to your typing skill. |
| 13:46.16 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 13:46.45 | Miravlix | Actually the truth is simly that we got 1.10 and I got the flu or something. |
| 13:47.07 | Shouryuu | I got the flu too =( |
| 13:47.13 | Shouryuu | the flu sucks |
| 13:47.23 | Miravlix | Constantly tired, body hurts all over, etc. |
| 13:49.52 | Miravlix | would be nice being a cat, he just sleeps and sleeps and sleeps. |
| 13:50.03 | Shouryuu | cats don't code |
| 13:50.45 | Wobin_ | That you know of |
| 13:50.57 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 13:51.09 | krka|work | my cat tries to code, but the keyboard is not adapted for him :/ |
| 13:51.30 | Wobin_ | You need a feline keyboard! |
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| 14:11.23 | Shouryuu | It's kinda paradoxical, but I'm researching anarchy on the internet |
| 14:26.15 | krka|work | researching (anarchy on the internet) OR (researching anarchy) on the internet? |
| 14:27.01 | Josh_Borke | or research (anarchy) on the internet? |
| 14:29.14 | krka|work | that makes no sense |
| 14:31.16 | Wobin_ | Its the same as krka's second option |
| 14:31.37 | Josh_Borke | could you not research (researching anarchy)? |
| 14:31.54 | zenzelezz | you'd need to say "research researching anarchy" then |
| 14:31.55 | Wobin_ | That's a bit meta =P |
| 14:32.07 | Josh_Borke | ah, good point |
| 14:32.17 | Josh_Borke | hey, i'm bored at work, what can i say? :-( |
| 14:32.21 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 14:49.10 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Elkano (n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-188.handshake.de) |
| 14:50.37 | Maldivia | hmm... anyone else see a problem here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/screenshots/images/basics/food/ss0001.jpg |
| 14:50.54 | Shouryuu | krka|work's second one, reasearching anarchy, using internet |
| 14:51.37 | Josh_Borke | mmm, yummy water |
| 14:51.57 | Elkano | ckknight, is your svn down? |
| 14:52.04 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 14:52.05 | Josh_Borke | isn't that the wrong icon? |
| 14:52.06 | Shouryuu | nice pic |
| 14:52.19 | Josh_Borke | and why is his head teal? |
| 14:52.25 | Maldivia | wrong icon AND wrong description for crystal water :) |
| 14:52.44 | Wobin_ | And also he's a 55 |
| 14:52.49 | Wobin_ | How'd he make the water? =P |
| 14:52.53 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:53.01 | Elkano | @ Maldivia: well, the char needs some 18 slot bags... ;) |
| 14:53.05 | Wobin_ | And only 2k mana |
| 14:53.07 | Wobin_ | Geez |
| 14:53.16 | Josh_Borke | well he's basically nekkid |
| 14:53.27 | Maldivia | linked from http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/food.html |
| 14:53.44 | Wobin_ | ~math 14 * 4 |
| 14:54.00 | Wobin_ | ~ 14 * 4 |
| 14:54.01 | purl | 56 |
| 14:54.12 | krka|work | who said he made it? couldn't someone have given it to him? |
| 14:54.32 | Wobin_ | ~70 * 20 |
| 14:54.34 | purl | 1400 |
| 14:54.39 | krka|work | ~ 1 / 0 |
| 14:54.45 | Maldivia | krka: technically, yeah :) |
| 14:57.21 | Maldivia | but still, no drink in the game exists (in 1.10) with that description :) |
| 14:57.37 | Shouryuu | his name is also BobbyB |
| 14:57.44 | Shouryuu | the second b is capitalized |
| 14:58.08 | Shouryuu | which can't be done! |
| 14:58.22 | Wobin_ | aha! |
| 14:58.25 | Maldivia | hmm, since when do talents point figure on the paperdoll window ? |
| 14:58.30 | Wobin_ | You receive item Conjured Crystal WAter |
| 14:58.36 | Wobin_ | You only get that if you make it =P |
| 14:58.57 | Shouryuu | he's a hacker |
| 14:59.00 | Shouryuu | we should report him |
| 14:59.08 | Wobin_ | Not just talent points, skill points too! |
| 14:59.19 | Maldivia | Wobin_: actually no, you get that if you loot it :) - it says you create when you cast the spell :) |
| 14:59.32 | Wobin_ | Mal: True =) |
| 14:59.57 | Wobin_ | Also, he's clearly in Stormwind where, at the time of the screenshot there would hardly be any level 55+ characters =P |
| 15:00.05 | Wobin_ | But that just shows bad salesmanship |
| 15:00.12 | Maldivia | hehe, yeah :) |
| 15:00.26 | Josh_Borke | Maldivia: good point |
| 15:00.32 | zenzelezz | somehow I don't think they intended the screenshot to be very realistic :o |
| 15:00.33 | Shouryuu | can you read the party chat? |
| 15:00.37 | Josh_Borke | btw, what IS a skill point? |
| 15:00.37 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 15:00.43 | Shouryuu | Is it true that there are.... in ... |
| 15:00.48 | Wobin_ | No idea Josh, thus the claim |
| 15:00.58 | Wobin_ | crocolisks |
| 15:01.01 | krka|work | could be a custom that uses other texture for water |
| 15:01.02 | Wobin_ | in the canals |
| 15:01.04 | Maldivia | Skill points was during beta... |
| 15:01.10 | Shouryuu | crocodiles |
| 15:01.14 | Shouryuu | ahhhh |
| 15:01.16 | Shouryuu | smmarrt |
| 15:01.18 | Wobin_ | crocolisks =) |
| 15:01.49 | Shouryuu | we should reportr him for spamming as well |
| 15:02.07 | Wobin_ | Totally =) |
| 15:02.44 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 15:02.47 | krka|work | did i kill purl? |
| 15:02.50 | krka|work | ~ 1 + 1 |
| 15:02.51 | purl | 3 |
| 15:02.55 | krka|work | ~ 1 / 0 |
| 15:03.23 | krka|work | ~ 11* 11 |
| 15:03.25 | purl | 121 |
| 15:03.28 | Josh_Borke | ~ 1 + 1 |
| 15:03.30 | purl | 3 |
| 15:03.30 | Wobin_ | ~botsnack |
| 15:03.30 | purl | aw, gee, Wobin_ |
| 15:03.31 | Shouryuu | aww he beat me |
| 15:03.34 | Josh_Borke | ~ 1 - 1 |
| 15:03.37 | Wobin_ | brilliant =) |
| 15:03.37 | Shouryuu | 0 |
| 15:03.40 | Maldivia | ~1+1 |
| 15:03.41 | purl | [1+1] 3 for large values of 1 |
| 15:03.46 | Josh_Borke | heh |
| 15:03.48 | Shouryuu | loool |
| 15:03.56 | Wobin_ | ~2+2 |
| 15:03.58 | purl | 4 |
| 15:03.58 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 15:04.22 | Shouryuu | would 0.999999~ work? |
| 15:05.17 | Josh_Borke | ~ 2 + 1 |
| 15:05.19 | purl | 3 |
| 15:05.30 | Wobin_ | ~1+1-1 |
| 15:05.32 | purl | 1 |
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| 15:10.06 | Shouryuu | why am I dl at 40kb/s when the swarm speed is at 700kb/s |
| 15:12.22 | zenzelezz | the swarm doesn't like you |
| 15:12.36 | Shouryuu | oh noez! |
| 15:13.22 | Wobin_ | Insect repellant |
| 15:13.31 | Shouryuu | =( |
| 15:13.51 | Shouryuu | I need to find a bitTorrent 1337 forum or something |
| 15:14.16 | Shouryuu | and lol. I've dl 7gigs out of 14, according to my client that's 31% |
| 15:16.51 | Elkano | well, maybe half of these 7gigs have either been corrupted or haven't finished their block, yet |
| 15:17.32 | Osagasu | if its a BT client, probably the latter |
| 15:25.06 | Shouryuu | so one I hit 100% I'll still be downloading? |
| 15:29.19 | Wobin_ | possibly |
| 15:29.23 | Wobin_ | What client are you using? |
| 15:30.41 | Elkano | don't think so; maybe you'll hit 14gigs and it will keep on downloading because it's not 100% yet or the few remaining percent before 100% will be extremly fast but downloading over 100%... naaa ;) |
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| 15:39.15 | Shouryuu | Azureus |
| 15:39.58 | Wobin_ | You should switch to muTorrent |
| 15:40.08 | Wobin_ | (if you're running Windows, that is) |
| 15:40.43 | Shouryuu | I should? |
| 15:40.59 | zenzelezz | µTorrent is quite uber. www.utorrent.com if you wish to have a look |
| 15:41.13 | Wobin_ | yeah, it's so much faster and smaller in memory usage |
| 15:41.31 | Wobin_ | And signifigantly so in terms of CPU |
| 15:41.51 | Shouryuu | I like the GUI on Azureus |
| 15:41.57 | Wobin_ | I barely notice it running, whereas with Azureus, I couldn't help but notice, since it took up 50% of the CPU =P |
| 15:42.03 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 15:42.15 | Wobin_ | Give it a go, you'll like it, trust me =) |
| 15:42.28 | Shouryuu | If I could just load the page... |
| 15:42.49 | zenzelezz | I love how µTorrent looks... feels so simple and slick. Reminds me of Napster |
| 15:43.48 | zenzelezz | Internet dodged your Aimed Shot. |
| 15:43.59 | Shouryuu | even IRC is lagging |
| 15:44.16 | Elkano | you can't dodge ranged... ;) |
| 15:44.21 | TheInternet | lol |
| 15:44.27 | TheInternet | Internet isn't a valid name |
| 15:44.34 | TheInternet | I can;t change my name to Internet |
| 15:44.34 | zenzelezz | hrm... well, I wouldn't know, I've only played a warrior |
| 15:44.47 | zenzelezz | what can you do? Block, parry? Or simply get missed? |
| 15:44.55 | Shouryuu | get missed |
| 15:44.55 | Elkano | was in 1.10 patch notes afair |
| 15:45.27 | Shouryuu | really really really angry right now |
| 15:45.31 | Shouryuu | I can't even load google |
| 15:45.45 | Shouryuu | WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWwwhy |
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| 15:46.06 | Shouryuu | really I don't understand how I can still be connected to IRC and not be able to load a web page |
| 15:46.46 | zenzelezz | think it's because, as you say, the connection is already established |
| 15:47.07 | Shouryuu | I think it's because the internet is trying to pay with my mind |
| 15:47.20 | Shouryuu | it's bending and watching how far it can go before I go *SNAP* |
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| 15:48.08 | Shouryuu | and go around my office armed with an air compress semi automatic rifle, shooting round after round into my fellow co-workers |
| 15:48.12 | Shouryuu | or how ever it went |
| 15:48.30 | Wobin_ | I don't want lunch... I WANT BREAKFAST |
| 15:48.37 | Shouryuu | I want INTERNET! |
| 15:49.02 | Shouryuu | brb |
| 15:49.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shouryuu_ (n=Shouryuu@37.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 15:49.45 | Shouryuu_ | voila |
| 15:50.22 | Elkano | I don't understand those people who run amok killing 5 people and then themselves... with proper planing, they could have taken even more with them... ;) |
| 15:50.30 | Shouryuu_ | hehe |
| 15:52.25 | Shouryuu_ | why \/\/|-|`| Pourquoi Porque Dao ping Ming sei Sao sien Fu wong Ping yao |
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| 15:52.53 | Elkano | Oo |
| 15:52.53 | zenzelezz | hvorfor |
| 15:53.00 | Shouryuu_ | oh missed that one |
| 15:53.09 | Elkano | "warum?" |
| 15:54.37 | Shouryuu_ | maybe |
| 15:54.55 | zenzelezz | *casts Intimidating Shout* *Immune* *Immune* *Immune* "Oh yeah..." |
| 15:55.02 | Shouryuu_ | lol |
| 15:55.53 | Elkano | *casts devine shield* *uses heart stone* |
| 15:56.57 | Elkano | I wonder if I should add an option to ItemDB that allows fulltext search of all item tooltips... |
| 15:57.51 | Tem | if you do, I would suggest making it a chunked iteration |
| 15:58.06 | Wobin_ | All item tooltips, or all item tooltips currently on the user? |
| 15:58.10 | zenzelezz | I don't get the animation when my character strings his bow since 1.10 :| |
| 15:58.14 | Tem | scanning 25,000 tooltips could take a ... while |
| 15:58.40 | Elkano | well, all item tooltips of items in cache |
| 15:59.05 | Wobin_ | s/and /an / |
| 16:00.22 | Wobin_ | Well, that'd be if I were in range =P |
| 16:01.49 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Andalia (n=xx@p54AD99A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:03.27 | Shouryuu_ | why can't I even connect to my router's web apge... |
| 16:03.47 | Elkano | virus? windows? ;) |
| 16:04.01 | Andalia | does anyone of you have a clue what happened to miles? he made a general combatlog parser but he seems to be disappered since feb 26 |
| 16:04.08 | Shouryuu_ | I'm going linux this weekend |
| 16:04.41 | Wobin_ | Hey Shouryuu: Is there a french dubbed Simpsons in France? |
| 16:04.43 | *** join/#wowi-lounge [MoonWolf] (n=moonwolf@f176182.upc-f.chello.nl) |
| 16:04.59 | Shouryuu_ | Yeah |
| 16:05.09 | Wobin_ | Does Homer still say "D'oh"? |
| 16:05.23 | Shouryuu_ | can you believe that what I'm typing takes a total of 2 sec to appear on my screen |
| 16:05.27 | Shouryuu_ | dunno, never seen it |
| 16:05.49 | Wobin_ | hm, are you using a French client? |
| 16:05.57 | Andalia | In german he always says nein (no) in a funny way |
| 16:06.07 | Shouryuu_ | I could download an episode and see what happens |
| 16:06.10 | Wobin_ | Ah cool =) |
| 16:06.22 | Wobin_ | Cause I can see him saying "Zut!" |
| 16:06.23 | Elkano | Andalina, just wanted to say that, too ^^ |
| 16:06.37 | Shouryuu_ | well Zut is as close as I could come :p |
| 16:06.54 | Shouryuu_ | but the simpsons isn't as cult in france as it is in he US |
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| 16:08.08 | Shouryuu_ | I really am going to cry |
| 16:08.49 | Shouryuu_ | I'm calling my ISP tommorow |
| 16:09.04 | Shouryuu_ | 3 seconds to see that message show |
| 16:09.50 | Wobin_ | I love german |
| 16:09.57 | Wobin_ | you get words like ohrenbetäubendes |
| 16:10.00 | Maldivia | You're having lag seeing your own messages on IRC? |
| 16:10.28 | Wobin_ | and Schneepflug |
| 16:11.00 | [MoonWolf] | is your isp on a strike Shouryuu_ ? |
| 16:12.51 | Shouryuu_ | lol |
| 16:13.07 | Shouryuu_ | Maldivia Yes =( |
| 16:13.17 | Maldivia | That doesn't make any sense |
| 16:13.27 | Shouryuu_ | sad but true |
| 16:13.35 | [MoonWolf] | it does |
| 16:13.36 | [MoonWolf] | i think |
| 16:13.46 | [MoonWolf] | the server gets the message then sends it back to be displayed. |
| 16:13.49 | Elkano | Wobin_, we've got eben better words... like Bundeskanzlerin ;) |
| 16:13.49 | Maldivia | IRC doesn't echo your own messages back yo you |
| 16:13.58 | Maldivia | [MoonWolf]: no it doesnt! |
| 16:14.00 | Shouryuu_ | dunno if its my computer or my connection |
| 16:14.07 | [MoonWolf] | i dont know much about the irc protocol |
| 16:14.13 | Shouryuu_ | but I'm getting lag |
| 16:14.23 | Maldivia | [MoonWolf]: Well, I do :) |
| 16:14.34 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 16:14.37 | Shouryuu_ | hehe |
| 16:14.42 | Shouryuu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.47 | Cairenn | *purr* |
| 16:14.57 | Elkano | Shouryuu_, try hitting ctrl+shift+esc to open the task manager and check for a programm running at high CPU load |
| 16:15.12 | AnduinLothar | i thought about undating on curse... it was a mistake... timed out getting to my versions page |
| 16:15.52 | Wobin_ | PS Azureus =) |
| 16:16.04 | Shouryuu_ | Elkano I took a look |
| 16:16.08 | Wobin_ | I've been considering putting up my addons on Curse. |
| 16:16.11 | Shouryuu_ | Wobin_ Azureus is closed :P |
| 16:16.12 | [MoonWolf] | AnduinLothar, you are not the only person. |
| 16:16.27 | Wobin_ | But that's more than one place... and I'm inherantly lazy about updating that sort of thing |
| 16:16.34 | Wobin_ | Is it worth the effort? |
| 16:17.01 | Cairenn | I'm sure you know my opinion, so I'll just keep my mouth shut |
| 16:17.10 | Shouryuu_ | CPU usage right now is 2%, my main memory users are Firefox, Trillian, svchost, explorer, utorrent |
| 16:17.12 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Shouryuu_ (n=Shouryuu@37.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 16:18.05 | AnduinLothar | well i have 31 addons on curse... and I can't update any of them atm |
| 16:19.19 | AnduinLothar | w/e.. I'm going back to sleep until maintinence is over |
| 16:19.30 | Kalroth | g'night Karl |
| 16:22.30 | Josh_Borke | wb cair |
| 16:23.15 | Cairenn | thanks |
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| 16:28.07 | Shouryuu | anyone know how to change one's MTU? |
| 16:28.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Elviso (n=e@66-90-143-73.dyn.grandenetworks.net) |
| 16:28.57 | zenzelezz | I thought that was mostly static over TCP/IP? Or am I confusing it with something else? |
| 16:29.26 | Shouryuu | no idea, just ran a test on the internet which said I should increase my MTU to 1500 |
| 16:29.51 | zenzelezz | hm... well, afraid I have no clue where to change that :| |
| 16:30.02 | Elviso | zenzelezz: what were you asking about TCP/IP? |
| 16:30.46 | Elviso | http://www.speedguide.net/ has just about every optimization you could need |
| 16:30.47 | zenzelezz | not directly asking, but was wondering if the MTU over TCP/IP isn't mostly static (or at least don't vary much) |
| 16:33.23 | Elviso | ahhh, I thought the MTU was generally whatever the client set it at |
| 16:33.23 | Shouryuu | thanks Elviso |
| 16:33.35 | Elviso | but idk if that's what you're thinking about |
| 16:33.45 | Elviso | sure, Shouryuu |
| 16:34.28 | zenzelezz | I could be confusing it with something else (I do all the time :p), but I thought MTU over the Internet was generally something like 1450-1500 bytes, and somewhat more over LAN |
| 16:34.36 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Adrine (n=Adrine@208.187.119.42) |
| 16:34.41 | Elkano | well, afair MTU determines if the OS splits a data packet up into more than one. on windows, MTU is in almost all cases set to a numer that is way to small ^^ |
| 16:36.06 | Elviso | well, AFAIK MTU's on LAN's aren't any different than on public routing, but I could be wrong too :p |
| 16:36.32 | Elviso | and yeah I think Windows usually sets MTU small by default, since a small MTU is more reliable (although possibly slower) |
| 16:37.56 | Elviso | like there are some SOHO routers that won't digest email attachments if MTU > 1478? I think is the # |
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| 16:39.34 | Wobin_ | Yow Gryph |
| 16:39.47 | Wobin_ | turned up the volume on the channel name =P |
| 16:39.54 | Elviso | ISP TechSupport has scarred me for life :`( |
| 16:47.23 | zenzelezz | "An MTU of 65535 bytes is the maximum supported by IPv4." "The maximum frame size for ethernet is 1518 bytes, giving a maximum IP MTU of 1500 bytes." now I know where I got confused |
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| 16:48.45 | Shouryuu | let's hope it worked |
| 16:49.06 | Elviso | frames need overhead bytes |
| 16:49.16 | Elviso | apparently 18 |
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| 16:49.37 | zenzelezz | yes, 1518 bytes including headers |
| 16:50.05 | zenzelezz | http://www.aarnet.edu.au/engineering/networkdesign/mtu/what.html <--- I had to resort googling :| |
| 16:50.40 | zenzelezz | either way, I was wrong about what I said at first |
| 16:51.45 | Elviso | "For IPv6 the smallest possible MTU for a link technology is 1,280 bytes. The largest possible MTU is currently 65,535 bytes, but RFC2675 proposes a Jumbo Payload option which would increase this to 4,294,967,295 bytes." |
| 16:51.53 | Elviso | this is JUMBO |
| 16:51.57 | Elviso | *that is |
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| 16:58.30 | Josh_Borke | in windows? |
| 16:59.19 | Josh_Borke | stupid enter key :-( |
| 16:59.59 | Shouryuu | yeah! |
| 17:00.07 | Shouryuu | Burn the enter key! |
| 17:00.24 | Elviso | rofl |
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| 17:01.53 | Corrodias | what is MTU, again? |
| 17:02.03 | Wobin_ | Maximum Transmission Unit? |
| 17:02.04 | Josh_Borke | maximum transmission unit |
| 17:02.07 | Elviso | yes |
| 17:02.09 | Josh_Borke | blast my slow typing skills |
| 17:02.17 | Corrodias | what relation, if any, does that have to packets? |
| 17:02.25 | Wobin_ | The size of the packet |
| 17:02.29 | Josh_Borke | i believe it specifies the maximum size of the packet |
| 17:02.47 | Corrodias | so.. a single four gigabyte packet... that would be interesting |
| 17:02.48 | Wobin_ | It'll break up the transmission into packets of that size and try to send them |
| 17:03.05 | Corrodias | possible in intra-system or extremely local network communication |
| 17:03.08 | Wobin_ | It would certainly be much more susceptable to corruption =P |
| 17:03.22 | Wobin_ | And having to resend it? =P |
| 17:03.23 | Corrodias | i'd hate to drop part of that packet :P |
| 17:03.25 | Josh_Borke | the largest you can do is 16k |
| 17:03.54 | Elviso | well, that'd only be used in large-scale application, likely sending terabytes at a time |
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| 17:04.26 | Elviso | not like you'd go to download a movie and just get 1 giant 4gb packet hehe |
| 17:04.46 | Josh_Borke | no really, the larger packet size is about 16k :D over standard gigabit anyway |
| 17:04.49 | Josh_Borke | everything else gets fragmented |
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| 17:05.04 | Elviso | huh? |
| 17:05.12 | Corrodias | all it does, in a positive perspective, is decrease your overhead, right? |
| 17:05.39 | Elviso | http://www.aarnet.edu.au/engineering/networkdesign/mtu/why.html |
| 17:05.55 | Elviso | basically, yes |
| 17:06.09 | Corrodias | so if you are going to send five hundred thousand terabytes of information over a "fast" network, then a packet size of a gig might not be out of place |
| 17:07.18 | Elviso | right, since 18 overhead bytes on a 1500 packet would be .06% of it's total payload |
| 17:07.44 | Elviso | it'd be 2.4x10-7 on a 4gb packet |
| 17:08.00 | Elviso | or something like that |
| 17:09.09 | ckknight | WoWI is really slow for me right now |
| 17:09.13 | Miravlix | TCP/IP has insane overhead |
| 17:09.23 | Miravlix | Thats just the nature of the beast |
| 17:09.33 | Miravlix | use UDP/IP or even another technoligy |
| 17:10.13 | Elviso | the price you pay for stateless connections |
| 17:10.30 | Miravlix | Well UDP reduce the overhead |
| 17:10.42 | Miravlix | But IP still has a huge amount |
| 17:12.43 | Corrodias | so all you have to do is make a graph of MTU size vs overhead including retransmission, which of course depends on the reliability of the network |
| 17:12.49 | Corrodias | i smell a 3d graph project |
| 17:13.04 | Corrodias | that's "all you have to do", you see, and then you win. |
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| 17:13.24 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | haha |
| 17:13.42 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | "the poor are guilty of the rich man's existance" |
| 17:14.05 | Corrodias | i'm getting me a fucking zoot suit. >:d |
| 17:14.19 | Miravlix | I would say it was basis for a google search |
| 17:14.37 | Miravlix | Considering how old TCP/IP is anything you can think of and then some is done |
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| 17:16.04 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | Ok I've just fallen in love with Stirner |
| 17:16.19 | Kirov | ? |
| 17:16.56 | Elviso | zoot suit? I haven't heard that term in awhile |
| 17:17.21 | Corrodias | look at this.. http://www.suavecito.com/images/Staff/Craig-Jay.jpg |
| 17:17.52 | Corrodias | those men deserve those suits. i fear i may not carry the confidence necessary to look good in one |
| 17:18.17 | Corrodias | i'd have to get sunglasses |
| 17:18.41 | Wobin_ | Zoot suit riot |
| 17:18.47 | Wobin_ | Throw back a bottle of beer |
| 17:20.42 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | Wobin_ that Do'h translation migt take a bit... |
| 17:20.56 | Wobin_ | hehe no problems =) |
| 17:21.03 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | Only one seed on the simpsons I've found, I'll be done tomorow though :p |
| 17:21.41 | ckknight | everyone looks good in a suit |
| 17:22.11 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | I hate that [pre] bug on the forums |
| 17:23.20 | Josh_Borke | is wowi down for anyone else? |
| 17:24.03 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | works for me |
| 17:24.12 | Cairenn | we do seem to be, I've sent a message to Dolby |
| 17:24.46 | krka | works for me |
| 17:25.01 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | yup |
| 17:25.39 | Josh_Borke | and it appears to be ok... |
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| 17:28.41 | Josh_Borke | there seems to be a general problem with my network |
| 17:29.42 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | the WoW forums don't seem to like when lines are longer than the screen |
| 17:29.55 | Josh_Borke | yea, i like the invisible scrollbar action they have |
| 17:30.10 | ckknight | when will the servers be back up? DST has confused me |
| 17:30.25 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | but what's weird is that if you copy/paste what's written, the ommited lines, are pasted as well... |
| 17:30.51 | Tem | ckknight: about 30 minutes unless they have changed the schedule again today |
| 17:31.01 | krka | whoa... both a Reload and a ReloadUI for boss |
| 17:31.07 | krka | hard to choose :/ |
| 17:31.44 | Tem | I think the later was writen without knowledge of the former |
| 17:31.46 | zenzelezz | I find it interesting that the WoW forums still don't display thread titles in the page's <title> tag... just "<forum name> - " |
| 17:33.41 | Corrodias | http://kittenwar.com/ |
| 17:34.26 | Adrine | Hm. Any python folks here? |
| 17:34.49 | Adrine | I'm profiling an app, and I have a large number of warn and warn_explicit calls that are apparently being hit |
| 17:35.03 | krka | i am no expert by any means |
| 17:35.03 | Adrine | However, I get no console output. Is there a way to see those warnings, or to disable them? |
| 17:35.10 | Adrine | (They're eating a lot of CPU time, relatively speaking) |
| 17:35.21 | krka | no clue |
| 17:35.36 | Adrine | Granted, I should likely not be doing this in Python :D |
| 17:35.46 | Adrine | But it's good for prototyping |
| 17:37.20 | Adrine | If I can kill those warnings, I should get another 4% performance improvement |
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| 17:40.05 | wereHamster | does anyone else have a problem to log in into the EU servers? |
| 17:41.08 | Miravlix | Haven't tried, but the EU forums is bad for me |
| 17:41.20 | Tem | Cairenn: wowi is down for me. What's up? |
| 17:41.30 | Cairenn | dunno, I've contacted Dolby |
| 17:41.35 | Tem | Cairenn: scratch that, not actually down, just miserably slow |
| 17:41.57 | Miravlix | It's still there for me |
| 17:42.15 | Miravlix | Curse is down |
| 17:42.20 | Miravlix | and UI is darn slow too |
| 17:44.14 | zenzelezz | does anyone else have trouble reaching www.wow-europe.com ? |
| 17:45.19 | wereHamster | no, but it's slow.. |
| 17:46.04 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | how can this not be cute http://kittenwar.com/kittens/46199/ |
| 17:46.18 | Elviso | Adrine: loving Sanity :) |
| 17:46.28 | Miravlix | EU is slow or dead for me |
| 17:46.44 | Josh_Borke | Adrine: where's the update to healcap :'( |
| 17:46.53 | Kalroth | They just restarted all EU servers 30 mins ago, Miravlix |
| 17:47.09 | zenzelezz | I can't seem to log in to the game nor reach the page, the launcher doesn't reach the news server... but I'm not sure if it's a general problem or just me/my ISP or something |
| 17:47.14 | zenzelezz | they did? Why? |
| 17:47.24 | Kalroth | To fix the broken battlegrounds, I Think |
| 17:47.28 | Kalroth | think* |
| 17:47.34 | zenzelezz | oh, I heard people speaking about that |
| 17:47.40 | Elviso | lol, so they're going to remove BG's? awesome. |
| 17:47.41 | zenzelezz | I'd check the forums if I could reach them :p |
| 17:47.47 | Adrine | JoshBorke: Is it broken? |
| 17:47.52 | Adrine | Elviso: Glad you like it. :) |
| 17:48.14 | Elviso | :) |
| 17:49.51 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | Kalroth Broken BG? |
| 17:49.59 | Josh_Borke | Adrine: just want new features :D |
| 17:50.21 | [MoonWolf] | cats* |
| 17:50.31 | Adrine | Heheh. What specifically, Josh_Borke? |
| 17:50.54 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | hummm SV update on reloadUI right? |
| 17:50.55 | Miravlix | Leave the cats alone! |
| 17:50.56 | Adrine | I haven't had much WoW time at all - the only "play time" I've had in the last week was fixing the freeze-on-mail bug 1.10 threw at Sanity. |
| 17:51.36 | Miravlix | We should buy a chinese labor to play our chars, Adrine |
| 17:51.42 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | lol |
| 17:51.44 | Kalroth | Shouryuu|h8Enter: http://nupo.org/img/235.jpg <- broken like this |
| 17:52.00 | Adrine | Heh. |
| 17:52.07 | Kirov | Adrine - btw, did you ever implement the item id finder for mail items? |
| 17:52.11 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | lol |
| 17:52.32 | Adrine | Kirov: Heh, no. I haven't had any time to add new features |
| 17:52.43 | Kirov | Just trying to optimize still? |
| 17:52.46 | Adrine | If Sanity wasn't causing clients to lock up, I wouldn't even had put that much time towards it. :D |
| 17:52.50 | Kirov | Or bug fix |
| 17:53.03 | Adrine | Well, it's more the no-time-to-WoW thing. |
| 17:53.17 | Adrine | I'm getting married in July, and the planning is becoming increasingly time-intensive |
| 17:53.29 | Kirov | Ah, gratz |
| 17:53.33 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | aye |
| 17:53.44 | Adrine | Getting married = ach, mein DKPs! |
| 17:53.52 | Josh_Borke | aye, grats adrine |
| 17:53.55 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | lol |
| 17:54.29 | Adrine | But, that leaves little time for WoWwing, developing or otherwise. |
| 17:54.33 | Josh_Borke | Adrine: option to not make it pop up everytime? i suppose I could just edit the xml/lua to hide by default... |
| 17:54.35 | Adrine | So I'm somewhat behind. |
| 17:54.38 | Josh_Borke | Adrine: and i know the feeling :D |
| 17:54.48 | Adrine | JoshBorke: Yeah, I need to make the hidden/visible state persist |
| 17:54.50 | Josh_Borke | trying to code a raid mod while not going to any raids for the past 2 weeks |
| 17:55.13 | Adrine | Heh. Coding raid mods while raiding is a lot of fun. :D |
| 17:55.16 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | trying to code a chess mod while not having played the game for.. hum... 2month? |
| 17:55.28 | Adrine | I wrote a spawn timer mod for MC when we were first learning it...in between pulls. |
| 17:55.35 | Kalroth | lol |
| 17:55.37 | Josh_Borke | lol, nice adrine |
| 17:55.39 | Kirov | I made a mod for Lethon about 2 months ago, and my guild has done him once since then. |
| 17:55.40 | Kirov | heh |
| 17:55.57 | Kalroth | Kirov: We learned our MTs to spin and we've done him since then :) |
| 17:56.06 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | I've never understood how timers worked |
| 17:56.11 | Adrine | Well |
| 17:56.13 | Josh_Borke | i like reloading mid battle :D that's always fun |
| 17:56.17 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | lol |
| 17:56.18 | Kirov | Kalroth - it's more for my own ammusement then actually being useful. |
| 17:56.35 | Adrine | The hounds are on a spawn timer - I forget the number, but it's somewhere in the 16-20 minute range |
| 17:56.42 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | yeah |
| 17:56.42 | Kirov | Josh - I'm a hunter, makes it a lot easier. |
| 17:56.49 | Kirov | turn on autoshot /reload |
| 17:56.55 | Adrine | The timer just watches the combat log for a hound death and inserts a value into a table |
| 17:57.13 | Adrine | onupdate, check the table for entries made X minutes ago, alert if you're below a certain threshold |
| 17:57.14 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | I;m just curious how you keep track of time :P |
| 17:57.20 | Kirov | onupdate? |
| 17:57.21 | Josh_Borke | Kirov: healerdin :-( so my healing just drops whenever i'm modding |
| 17:57.26 | Kirov | hehe |
| 17:57.31 | Adrine | The OnUpdate() event of the mod, yeah |
| 17:57.37 | Josh_Borke | yea, OnUpdate, I throttle mine to only go once a second |
| 17:57.37 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | so you just get time each time there;s an event? |
| 17:57.50 | Adrine | OnUpdate() happens once per frame |
| 17:57.53 | Kirov | <OnUpdate> |
| 17:58.24 | Miravlix | frame or frame... |
| 17:58.35 | Kirov | Shouryuu - if I can hook to an event, then yes, I just keep track of GetTime(), otherwise the <OnUpdate> of a frame gives the elapsed time of the last frame. |
| 17:58.36 | Miravlix | Why do everything have to be named the same |
| 17:58.39 | Adrine | Rendered frame |
| 17:58.49 | Adrine | Backbuffer flip. There we go. |
| 17:58.53 | Adrine | Render loop iteration. :D |
| 17:59.05 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | Kirov ahhh so OnUpdate returns the elapsed time of the last frame? |
| 17:59.11 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | lol |
| 17:59.14 | Kirov | arg1 ftw |
| 17:59.19 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | ahh |
| 17:59.25 | Adrine | The first parameter is |
| 17:59.32 | Adrine | That is quite handy for animation stuff, too |
| 17:59.41 | kremonte | morning all |
| 17:59.45 | Adrine | Morning kremonte |
| 17:59.53 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | so you basicly do OnUpdate() arg1 = arg1+arg1 |
| 18:00.00 | Adrine | Well |
| 18:00.04 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | rawr krem |
| 18:00.10 | Adrine | elapsedTime = elapsedTime + arg1 |
| 18:00.18 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | yeah |
| 18:00.39 | Kirov | <OnUpdate> MyMod_OnUpdate() </OnUpdate> |
| 18:00.40 | Kirov | function MyMod_OnUpdate() |
| 18:00.40 | Kirov | CountDown = CountDown - arg1; |
| 18:00.40 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | kremonte How;s that go going? |
| 18:00.57 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | cool |
| 18:00.59 | kremonte | Shouryuu|h8Enter: Je Tem |
| 18:00.59 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | never knew it was that easy |
| 18:01.02 | kremonte | :D |
| 18:01.04 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | w00t |
| 18:01.05 | Kirov | when CountDown <= 0 do stuff! |
| 18:01.19 | kremonte | Kirov: you made countdoom? |
| 18:01.21 | kremonte | or you're hackin it |
| 18:01.26 | Adrine | I generally just add, and then subtract my trigger time when elapsed > trigger |
| 18:01.27 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | I tried breifly thinkinh about the chess one, gave me a head ache |
| 18:01.38 | kremonte | Shouryuu|h8Enter: i don't think i'm going to go through with it |
| 18:01.42 | Kirov | kremonte - no no, just giving an example timer for Shouryuu |
| 18:01.43 | Shouryuu|h8Enter | hehe |
| 18:02.02 | kremonte | bah, when are realms going to be up ?! |
| 18:02.08 | krka | hmm... would it be better to keep track of time with a "local time = 0" |
| 18:02.10 | Tem | hmm? |
| 18:02.13 | krka | and updating it OnUpdate |
| 18:02.15 | kremonte | Je Tem! |
| 18:02.16 | Miravlix | kremonte, When they are not down |
| 18:02.19 | krka | than using GetTime() |
| 18:02.24 | Shouryuu | I'm having problems just defining my pieces :P |
| 18:02.25 | kremonte | Miravlix: funny |
| 18:02.27 | Tem | "I Tem" ? |
| 18:02.27 | Adrine | That's another solution |
| 18:02.31 | Adrine | I'm not sure either is better |
| 18:02.36 | kremonte | Tem: Tem pronounced same as t'aime =P |
| 18:02.44 | Kirov | krka - possibly, yes, depending on how often you call GetTime() |
| 18:02.50 | Miravlix | kremonte, What precisely is the funny part? |
| 18:02.54 | krka | let's say once a frame |
| 18:02.54 | Tem | ah but it's not |
| 18:03.00 | kremonte | the lack of it :o |
| 18:03.05 | kremonte | Tem: D:? |
| 18:03.10 | Kirov | It also depends on how precise you want to be. |
| 18:03.12 | kremonte | Tem: your name isn't "teh mm"? |
| 18:03.12 | Josh_Borke | but why make a function call when you can just reference a variable? |
| 18:03.14 | krka | instead of time = time + arg1 in OnUpdate |
| 18:03.36 | Tem | kremonte: well, yes. |
| 18:03.52 | kremonte | thus, je tem! :p |
| 18:04.44 | Tem | kremonte: but "t'aime" has more of an "A" sound |
| 18:04.45 | Kirov | Josh_Borke - because you're just replacing a funciton call with a function call and, a math function, and a variable |
| 18:04.45 | kremonte | eh, not how people pronounce it here =/ |
| 18:04.46 | Josh_Borke | wait i'm confused |
| 18:04.46 | kremonte | never heard "je taymm" |
| 18:04.46 | Miravlix | We are on IRC, you don't have to read out loud. |
| 18:04.46 | Tem | kremonte: though now that you mention it, I could see it said quickly to sound that way |
| 18:04.49 | Josh_Borke | oh, now i see :-) |
| 18:04.56 | kremonte | well, regardless of speed |
| 18:05.00 | Josh_Borke | i've always pronounced it tem.... |
| 18:05.02 | Kirov | To keep track of time manually, you need to make your own OnUpdate() function, so, you're just replacing a single function call with another. |
| 18:05.02 | kremonte | i pronounce "aimer" as "ehmeh" |
| 18:05.08 | kremonte | not aim-ehh |
| 18:05.25 | Tem | no, you are right |
| 18:05.28 | Cairenn | wowi should be better again now |
| 18:05.29 | Tem | I just need to go to sleep |
| 18:05.35 | kremonte | yay cair :D |
| 18:05.36 | Cairenn | turned low bandwidth back on |
| 18:05.41 | kremonte | Tem: sleep is for the weak! |
| 18:05.44 | Kirov | Tem - no sleep! |
| 18:05.46 | Kirov | code! |
| 18:06.03 | Tem | you don't want to see the crap I churn out when I'm tired |
| 18:06.14 | Miravlix | Tem: Go sleep for me too, I will wake you when I'm refreshed |
| 18:06.29 | Tem | it rivals the " MAKE MY MACRO WORK 4 ME PLZ" threads |
| 18:06.43 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 18:07.05 | Tem | Cairenn: lol now that wowi is back and fast, the ui forum is slow |
| 18:07.08 | kremonte | Tem: omg then please don't sleep |
| 18:07.13 | Cairenn | heh |
| 18:07.21 | kremonte | Tem: i find miles of entertainment in those threads :-) |
| 18:08.01 | Miravlix | Cairenn, Is the UI sites taking more of a hit this time? |
| 18:08.10 | Cairenn | do seem to be, yes |
| 18:08.29 | Miravlix | I blame slouken! |
| 18:08.47 | Kirov | well, a LOT of mods use Tooltip scanning, so I'm guessing a lot of people who have never really had to worry about their addons much are finding they're all broken. |
| 18:09.04 | Adrine | Yeah. |
| 18:09.07 | Tem | oh is 1.10.1 today? |
| 18:09.10 | Miravlix | Kirov, Yeah, but I hate guessing, it's easier to ask someone that has a clue. |
| 18:09.26 | Cairenn | tem not as of yet, I just checked, no patch |
| 18:10.02 | Kirov | You know what'd be great? If slouken reverted tooltips to pre 1.10 methods. :p |
| 18:10.04 | kremonte | servers up please :( |
| 18:10.17 | Miravlix | Kirov, Why? |
| 18:10.24 | Miravlix | I've spend a week on fixing them |
| 18:10.40 | Miravlix | I would be mighty peed if they removed the new functionality now. :p |
| 18:10.43 | Corrodias | they changed tooltips again? |
| 18:11.26 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 18:11.27 | Gryphen | scroll up two more lines Corrodias |
| 18:11.31 | Miravlix | Does the server do anything with tooltips? |
| 18:11.40 | Kirov | Ok, then maybe just more consistant :Set functions, like make them all clear the tooltip if they have bad info. |
| 18:11.49 | Tem | what new functionality did they add to tooltips? |
| 18:11.56 | Gryphen | lol |
| 18:12.01 | Kirov | Miravlix - Because they're all database look ups |
| 18:12.15 | Miravlix | Shoulnd't they all be WDB loockups |
| 18:12.26 | Tem | Miravlix: not always |
| 18:12.27 | Gryphen | not the first time |
| 18:12.29 | Miravlix | did I write look or lock? |
| 18:12.38 | Kirov | The first time they're server requests |
| 18:12.50 | Miravlix | hmm, loocks like a hybrid between look and lock |
| 18:12.51 | Gryphen | ever notice a tooltip kind of build on the screen as it retrieves info? |
| 18:13.04 | kremonte | ! |
| 18:13.06 | kremonte | servers are up |
| 18:13.17 | kremonte | first one on in guild again :] |
| 18:13.25 | Kirov | Gryphen - yeah, my version of LootLink checks the tooltip of an item mutliple times to make sure it's completed |
| 18:14.10 | Kirov | When ever I see a link in chat I do a SetHyperlink call then wait 2 seconds, then look at the info |
| 18:14.18 | Miravlix | BTW: While I think tooltips should be using WDB, it does seem like they keep being slow |
| 18:14.44 | Kirov | 2 seconds later I look again, if it's changed since last time I look again in 2 more seconds. |
| 18:14.59 | Kirov | i should probably change the timer on that to be based on your current ping, but meh |
| 18:15.46 | Adrine | Can anyone think of a fast way to get abs(a) + abs(b) without two abs calls? |
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| 18:16.10 | Adrine | (abs is fast, but I'm calling it a metric crapload of times, so a faster solution would be nice.) |
| 18:16.12 | Tem | Kirov: In my tests the server lag between calling SetItemRef and the tooltip being complete was at most 500ms |
| 18:16.30 | Josh_Borke | would you be willing to replace abs() with ifs? |
| 18:16.45 | Josh_Borke | if (a < 0 and b < 0) then abs(a+b) end |
| 18:16.52 | Adrine | I doubt that'd be faster |
| 18:17.06 | Josh_Borke | i agree |
| 18:17.28 | zenzelezz | Concerning random()... do you have to seed it first? If you don't, does it always use the same starting seed, or does it change each time you run WoW? |
| 18:18.05 | Tem | Kirov: also, you can use the tooltip handler OnSizeChanged to detect when changes are made to the contents of the tooltip at which time you can poll GetItemInfo to see if it's done yet. |
| 18:21.21 | Shouryuu | Adrine Would something like Max(a-b,b-a,a+b) be faster? |
| 18:21.39 | kremonte | bah |
| 18:21.43 | Adrine | Shouryuu: Hm, possibly. I'll run it and see. |
| 18:21.45 | kremonte | why are links so evil |
| 18:21.49 | kremonte | i don't get enchant: links |
| 18:22.00 | kremonte | there is no GetItemInfo for them that i can see T_T |
| 18:24.45 | Shouryuu | and Adrine you need to add -a-b in there as well |
| 18:26.06 | Wobin_ | ((a > 0) and a or 0-a )+ ((b > 0) and b or 0-b) |
| 18:26.07 | Wobin_ | =) |
| 18:26.27 | ckknight | math.abs(a) + math.abs(b) |
| 18:26.35 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 18:26.47 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 18:26.57 | Josh_Borke | -a-b and -(a+b) |
| 18:27.32 | ckknight | no, JoshBorke |
| 18:27.37 | Wobin_ | that wouldn't work |
| 18:27.37 | Shouryuu | well that won't work |
| 18:27.39 | Josh_Borke | no -a(+b)? |
| 18:27.41 | Josh_Borke | bah |
| 18:27.41 | Shouryuu | that 3-2 |
| 18:27.45 | Shouryuu | *take |
| 18:27.49 | Kalroth | comparisons are most likely faster than calling an external functions, so making if statements would make it faster |
| 18:27.50 | Josh_Borke | ah, yea |
| 18:27.57 | Kalroth | depends on how lua optimizes really |
| 18:28.01 | Adrine | Python, not lua |
| 18:28.05 | Wobin_ | oh |
| 18:28.09 | Wobin_ | My mistake =) |
| 18:28.09 | Kalroth | well any script language :) |
| 18:28.32 | Wobin_ | And I was so proud of my answer too =P |
| 18:30.00 | Wobin_ | Actually it might work on Python depending on how it deals with shortcut evaluation |
| 18:30.17 | Kalroth | oh abs() is builtin in Python, it should be very fast, Adrine |
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| 18:31.36 | Adrine | Max seems faster. |
| 18:31.49 | Adrine | abs() is 2.62e-5 sec per call in my test, max() is 9.29e-6 |
| 18:31.57 | Cairenn | wowi should be even faster now |
| 18:32.09 | Adrine | Both ran about 70k times |
| 18:32.40 | Adrine | However |
| 18:32.58 | Adrine | I think that's because I have to call abs() twice, whereas I only need max() once |
| 18:33.34 | Adrine | Ooh, wait |
| 18:33.37 | Adrine | I compared the wrong numbers |
| 18:34.09 | krka | i suggest: local ans if a < 0 then if b < 0 then ans = -a - b else ans = -a + b end else if b < 0 then ans = a -b else ans = a + b end end |
| 18:34.11 | Kalroth | try doing it with pure ifs |
| 18:34.17 | Kalroth | yeah, like krka just did |
| 18:34.30 | Kalroth | in python though :p |
| 18:34.31 | krka | oh, not lua |
| 18:34.32 | Adrine | The max() version ran at 2.317e-5 sec per call, abs() version at 2.62e-5 per call |
| 18:34.39 | krka | syntax transformation shuold be trivial |
| 18:34.44 | Adrine | Yeah |
| 18:34.54 | krka | hard to do python one liners :P |
| 18:35.20 | Kalroth | if x < 0, y < 0: |
| 18:35.24 | krka | are you sure you're optimizing the right things btw adrine? |
| 18:35.31 | Kalroth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.35 | krka | and why the hell isn't eu working? :/ |
| 18:35.47 | Kalroth | elif x > 0, y < 0: |
| 18:35.47 | ckknight | if x < 0 and y < 0: |
| 18:35.54 | Kalroth | oh, it's and :) |
| 18:36.02 | Adrine | krka: This function doesn't take long, but it runs a lot. Just trying to shave a bit here and there where I can. |
| 18:36.04 | Kalroth | basically make 3 if statements |
| 18:36.23 | krka | you can do it with two |
| 18:36.28 | krka | as in, only evaluate two |
| 18:36.43 | Kalroth | mmm |
| 18:37.08 | Kalroth | yeah ok, no need to evaluate one value more than once |
| 18:39.38 | Adrine | if() version is 7.77e-6 sec per call. Much better. |
| 18:40.03 | Josh_Borke | didn't i recommend the if :-( |
| 18:40.11 | Adrine | Yes. >_> |
| 18:40.15 | Josh_Borke | er, but i said to use abs :D |
| 18:40.17 | Josh_Borke | so i lose all around |
| 18:41.39 | krka | <-- former programming competition participant |
| 18:41.49 | Adrine | Heh, nice |
| 18:41.50 | ckknight | I was in a programming competition |
| 18:41.54 | ckknight | like last year |
| 18:42.04 | Adrine | What I really need to do is figure out a way around brute-forcing this thing |
| 18:42.04 | ckknight | we lost to the Germans |
| 18:42.05 | Kalroth | krka: pfft, you just read my reply and made a quick if statement! |
| 18:42.07 | ckknight | they're crafty |
| 18:42.21 | Adrine | It's an n-body problem, inverse square repulsive forces |
| 18:42.22 | krka | actually, no :) |
| 18:42.34 | Kalroth | :( |
| 18:42.39 | Adrine | I've seen recommendations towards using a quadtree to create "proxy nodes" for force calculation |
| 18:42.49 | krka | our school rocks at programming competition, our top team got to 2nd place in the world championships |
| 18:42.57 | Adrine | I think that one is supposed to be O(n log n), rather than O(n^2) |
| 18:43.19 | krka | not my team, we only got to the regionals |
| 18:43.27 | Kalroth | Adrine: now you just need to analyze the numbers and rearrange the if statement so it's the most often curring combo it tests for first! |
| 18:43.40 | Kalroth | ocurring*(sp?) |
| 18:43.41 | ckknight | krka, which contest? |
| 18:43.48 | krka | ACM something |
| 18:43.54 | Kalroth | occurring! |
| 18:43.56 | Adrine | Kalroth: No one combination will occur more, really |
| 18:43.57 | krka | our regional was called NWERC |
| 18:44.01 | ckknight | I participated in ACSL at my school |
| 18:44.06 | Kalroth | Adrine: oh, so it's totally random data? |
| 18:44.08 | krka | never heard of it :) |
| 18:44.10 | Wobin_ | hehe Does my solution even translate into python? |
| 18:44.15 | Adrine | It's just adding the x/y components of a vector, which can be pointing in any direction |
| 18:44.22 | Kalroth | ah |
| 18:44.26 | krka | american thing ckknight? |
| 18:44.42 | krka | why would you want the max of those adrine? |
| 18:44.47 | ckknight | international |
| 18:45.01 | Adrine | krka: Substitute for vector length calculation |
| 18:45.38 | krka | weird def of vector length :P |
| 18:45.44 | Adrine | I know, but it works for this application |
| 18:45.47 | krka | i suppose it's a decent enough approximation for some cases |
| 18:45.59 | Adrine | It's just an approximation as to whether a node has any significant forces acting on it |
| 18:46.13 | krka | hmm... so manhattan distances between nodes in a plane? |
| 18:46.20 | Adrine | If the sum of the x/y vectors is less than a certain threshold, the node drops out of the system force calculation |
| 18:46.27 | krka | i see |
| 18:46.35 | krka | why not divide the plane into grids? |
| 18:46.42 | krka | i.e. put all nodes in a matrix |
| 18:46.43 | Adrine | That's what I'm working on at the moment, as well. |
| 18:46.51 | krka | and only check those in near boxes |
| 18:46.52 | Adrine | quadtree space decomposition |
| 18:46.54 | Adrine | Right |
| 18:47.00 | krka | that's what i'd do |
| 18:47.09 | krka | actually had a few programming contest problems on that |
| 18:47.25 | Adrine | I also need to figure a way to speed up (r = self.mk * (wa * wb) * (wa * wb) / x) |
| 18:47.51 | Adrine | all floats, but I can't get away without the division, that I've seen. |
| 18:47.58 | krka | what is x? |
| 18:48.05 | Adrine | distance |
| 18:48.15 | krka | true distance? |
| 18:48.19 | Adrine | yes |
| 18:48.26 | Adrine | Well, kinda. |
| 18:48.28 | Adrine | square of the distance. |
| 18:48.33 | krka | the division shouldn't be as much of a problem as sqrt... |
| 18:48.33 | krka | oh |
| 18:48.44 | Adrine | No, I'm sorry, I am doing the sqrt |
| 18:49.01 | Adrine | Tried to get rid of it and the system blew up. That's on my to-refine list as well, though. |
| 18:49.23 | Adrine | No, wait |
| 18:49.24 | krka | can't you represent stuff as fractions? |
| 18:49.25 | Adrine | Reverse that again! |
| 18:49.27 | Adrine | I was confused. :) |
| 18:49.33 | Adrine | No sqrt in that calculation |
| 18:49.34 | krka | that avoids division |
| 18:50.02 | Adrine | Well, the end result is a float that's multiplied by the components of my direction unit vector |
| 18:50.21 | Adrine | So the division has to happen somewhere |
| 18:50.24 | krka | does it? |
| 18:50.30 | krka | represent _everything_ as fractions :) |
| 18:50.31 | Adrine | I...think so |
| 18:50.48 | Adrine | Well, I eventually need a value to pass to my render function. |
| 18:50.55 | kremonte | ummm |
| 18:50.58 | kremonte | ok |
| 18:50.59 | Tem | no, seriously, leave everything as a fraction |
| 18:51.06 | Adrine | Though I suppose that'd be only O(n) |
| 18:51.06 | kremonte | i went to see what irc was up to |
| 18:51.07 | kremonte | and |
| 18:51.09 | kremonte | my brain just melted |
| 18:51.10 | Tem | Dist: 9 / 3 |
| 18:51.30 | krka | Tem agrees with me? O_o |
| 18:51.37 | Tem | I jest |
| 18:51.41 | Kalroth | lol |
| 18:52.06 | Tem | I haven't been following the conversation at all so I really don't know what you're discussion |
| 18:52.10 | krka | :P |
| 18:52.16 | krka | i was getting my hopes up and everything! |
| 18:52.23 | Adrine | Hm. I have an array of "nodes that have acted on me" maintained that seems to be pretty slow. |
| 18:52.23 | Tem | I was busy digging for a backup of a project that I was afraid I had lost |
| 18:52.28 | kremonte | you really should represent everything as a fraction |
| 18:52.30 | Adrine | Wonder if I could use a bitmask instead. |
| 18:52.31 | krka | is floating point division really that slow? |
| 18:52.32 | Kalroth | That'd explain why he agrees with you, krka, he's going for the safe bet! |
| 18:52.39 | krka | right |
| 18:52.57 | krka | do you need to know which nodes acted on you? |
| 18:53.05 | Adrine | Well, it speeds it up nicely. |
| 18:53.08 | kremonte | str = tostring(1) string.replace(str, "1", "3^8*9i^7+x/3^8*91^7") |
| 18:53.15 | kremonte | it makes it much more readable |
| 18:53.24 | Adrine | I have f v in nodes do for u in nodes do ... calculate forces, update v's displacement vector end end |
| 18:53.49 | Kalroth | http://docs.python.org/tut/node16.html <- floating points in python |
| 18:53.54 | krka | why do you need to optimize this btw? :) |
| 18:54.01 | Adrine | However, since the v->u force is the inverse of the u->v force, I can just update u at the same time as v, and then skip that node pair when it comes around. |
| 18:54.38 | Adrine | It's just an experiment I'm working on, but I'm trying to figure out how to really make it lean and mean |
| 18:54.51 | Adrine | Force-driven graph layout system - springs and electromagnetic force simulation |
| 18:55.23 | Adrine | But, as you add nodes, the time of the node electromagnetic force simulation grows exponentially, which tends to really limit the size of your graph |
| 18:55.35 | Adrine | And yes, I know it's in Pythong :P |
| 18:55.39 | Adrine | Python, even. |
| 18:56.11 | Adrine | I'm not trying to make it a world-class performer, but just to prototype it and get it working as fast as possible in Python, and I could then take that and port it to a compiled language for more speed. |
| 18:56.17 | krka | hmm... |
| 18:56.49 | krka | you'd get O(n) behaviour if you used a grid |
| 18:56.53 | Shouryuu | Pythong, nice |
| 18:56.56 | Adrine | Elaborate? |
| 18:56.58 | krka | assuming everything is distributed evenly |
| 18:57.04 | Adrine | That's the rub :) |
| 18:57.06 | krka | maybe a bad assumption :) |
| 18:57.12 | Shouryuu | it's a thong made of snake skin, nice |
| 18:57.16 | Adrine | http://tachyonsix.com/wikigraph2.gif |
| 18:57.23 | Adrine | There's an example layout |
| 18:57.34 | Josh_Borke | wow, you've updated that quite a bit :D |
| 18:57.42 | Adrine | http://tachyonsix.com/wikigraph3.gif |
| 18:57.43 | Adrine | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.03 | Josh_Borke | WoW trading card game? |
| 18:58.04 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 18:58.05 | Adrine | Woot, Naxx in 1.11 |
| 18:58.20 | Shouryuu | Naxx? |
| 18:58.32 | Kalroth | that's not fair, why is Onyxia bigger than Nefarian, she's only his little sis! |
| 18:58.33 | Adrine | Naxrammas |
| 18:59.42 | Josh_Borke | Adrine: how do you know? |
| 18:59.50 | Adrine | http://newsletter.vugames.com/bz0306nl01/ |
| 19:00.04 | Adrine | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.14 | zenzelezz | in some species, the female is bigger than the male. Don't know if that's the case for dragons |
| 19:00.25 | krka | seeing as dragons aren't real |
| 19:00.55 | Shouryuu | You know the Lich King was in Diablo I |
| 19:00.58 | Kalroth | krka: lies, filthy lies |
| 19:01.06 | zenzelezz | sorry to repeat myself, but regarding random()... do you need to seed it first? If you don't, does it always use the same starting seed, or does it change each time you run WoW? |
| 19:01.16 | Adrine | I don't think you need to seed it |
| 19:01.41 | Shouryuu | I so want to make my own random number generator |
| 19:01.53 | Shouryuu | But the maths are too complicated =( |
| 19:02.36 | Shouryuu | And I love whoever proposed utorrent |
| 19:02.39 | Adrine | I'm a fan of the mersenne twister :D |
| 19:02.40 | Shouryuu | downloading 3 times faster |
| 19:02.47 | Shouryuu | mersenne twister? |
| 19:02.59 | Adrine | http://www.math.sci.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/~m-mat/MT/MT2002/CODES/mt19937ar.c |
| 19:03.05 | Shouryuu | ah |
| 19:03.07 | Shouryuu | googled it faster! |
| 19:03.56 | Adrine | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mersenne_twister |
| 19:03.57 | Shouryuu | hmmm what language is that? |
| 19:03.59 | Adrine | C |
| 19:04.07 | Adrine | Hence the .c extension. >_> |
| 19:04.20 | Adrine | And the header, which states "A C-program for MT19937, with initialization improved 2002/1/26. |
| 19:04.20 | Adrine | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.21 | Adrine | :) |
| 19:04.48 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 19:05.33 | Shouryuu | I loled "The "twist" is a transformation which assures equidistribution of the generated numbers in 623 dimensions ". I more like wtf?! loled |
| 19:05.46 | Shouryuu | 623 dimensions... |
| 19:07.34 | Josh_Borke | i can't visualize more than 4 or 5 :-( |
| 19:08.28 | Shouryuu | I have no idea what that ment |
| 19:08.49 | Shouryuu | the only dimensionsI know of are XYZ and time |
| 19:09.30 | zenzelezz | there is a C++ version too somewhere on the page I think |
| 19:10.05 | Shouryuu | SendChatMessage("SomeSTuff","common","whisper") will send a whisper to my target right? |
| 19:10.33 | wereHamster | Shouryuu, SendChatMessage("SomeSTuff","common","whisper", UnitName("target")) |
| 19:10.41 | Shouryuu | thanks :P |
| 19:15.09 | Shouryuu | how many eps of Bleach are there? |
| 19:15.17 | Shouryuu | 100ish or more like 70ish? |
| 19:15.40 | Josh_Borke | about 70ish |
| 19:15.48 | Josh_Borke | def closing in on 80 |
| 19:15.49 | Shouryuu | Ok cool thanks |
| 19:17.49 | Josh_Borke | ok bye for now |
| 19:17.49 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Josh_Borke (n=Josh@antimatter.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 19:19.56 | Shouryuu | doing BO = Blessing of, CastSpellByName(BO.. "might") will work right? |
| 19:20.38 | Wobin_ | You'll be missing a space |
| 19:20.44 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 19:20.55 | Shouryuu | just noticed :P |
| 19:23.06 | zenzelezz | how uber... my Taunt now only taunts if I am not my target's target, and has a chance to /taunt him... so useful! |
| 19:23.19 | Shouryuu | wow nice |
| 19:24.20 | Shouryuu | t=target UnitClass(t) will work as well? I'm having trouble figuring out when to put " and when not to :P |
| 19:24.35 | krka | that won't work |
| 19:24.49 | Shouryuu | I need " ? Or can't do at all |
| 19:24.51 | krka | you mean t="target" UnitClass(t) |
| 19:24.59 | Shouryuu | indeed |
| 19:25.00 | krka | but you may want to do something with UnitClass |
| 19:25.07 | krka | kinda pointless otherwise |
| 19:25.11 | Shouryuu | yeah iz done :p |
| 19:26.05 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:26.08 | Shouryuu | meannie |
| 19:26.25 | Shouryuu | Why do *I* alwas get bullied =( |
| 19:26.37 | Kronus | Because you set yourself up SO WELL |
| 19:26.52 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:27.21 | Cide | regarding the conversation a bit up... |
| 19:27.33 | Cide | it's SendChatMessage("SomeStuff", "WHISPER", nil, UnitName("target")) |
| 19:27.45 | Cide | use nil for default language |
| 19:27.59 | Cide | (you had the arguments in wrong order) |
| 19:28.33 | Shouryuu | yeah taht too :P |
| 19:28.52 | Shouryuu | is the capitilization important? |
| 19:29.17 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Josh_Borke (n=Josh@antimatter.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 19:29.35 | ckknight | yes, afaik |
| 19:30.14 | Cide | not for "WHISPER" |
| 19:30.23 | ckknight | oh, hrm |
| 19:30.52 | Cide | language is case-insensitive too |
| 19:32.26 | Adrine | Well, runtime is now O(n^2-n / 2) rather than O(n^2) |
| 19:32.34 | Adrine | Getting better. |
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| 19:32.47 | Josh_Borke | you can have modifiers in O()? |
| 19:33.09 | Adrine | Probably not. I'm likely bastardizing the syntax. |
| 19:33.09 | ckknight | like what? |
| 19:33.35 | ckknight | Adrine, O(n^2 - n / 2) = O(n^2 - n) = O(n^2) |
| 19:33.38 | Maldivia | well, O(n^2 - n/2) is still O(n^2) :) |
| 19:33.46 | Adrine | Like I said, bastardizing the syntax. :) |
| 19:34.16 | Adrine | But it is a lot faster. |
| 19:34.56 | Maldivia | I don't see how it's that much faster :) |
| 19:35.08 | Maldivia | if you have 100 entries, it's 0.5% |
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| 19:35.34 | Adrine | Well, if I have 10 nodes, then I'm running my loop 96 times, 48 with this improvement. |
| 19:35.37 | Iriel | Hey folks |
| 19:35.44 | Adrine | Afternoon, Iriel |
| 19:35.46 | Josh_Borke | heya iriel |
| 19:35.47 | Iriel | For anyone who wasn't on last night, I added chatevent tracking to devtools |
| 19:35.49 | zenzelezz | greetings |
| 19:35.53 | Iriel | http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/ |
| 19:35.55 | Josh_Borke | woohoo! |
| 19:36.04 | Iriel | DevTools-1.0pre1-11000.zip |
| 19:36.12 | Maldivia | uhh, 1.0! |
| 19:36.20 | Iriel | I figure it's been stable long enough |
| 19:36.49 | Iriel | Anyway, anyone who wants to play with /dtchatevent and give feedback, please take a look |
| 19:36.54 | krka | what does that do? |
| 19:37.41 | Iriel | If you turn it on, it puts a [#] link in front of every chat window line, whihc you can click on to see the event that caused it |
| 19:37.54 | Iriel | (Up to the last 1,000 events) |
| 19:38.38 | krka | hmm... what for? :) |
| 19:38.41 | krka | to trace debug stuff? |
| 19:39.28 | Iriel | Well the inspiration was more of a 'What on earth IS the event for that message anyway' moment I had |
| 19:39.57 | krka | noooo, my new robe is way uglier than Robes of Arugal :( |
| 19:39.58 | krka | this sucks |
| 19:40.07 | krka | ah.... i get it now |
| 19:40.18 | krka | so if i get a cool combat message, i can see where it comes from |
| 19:40.22 | krka | very useful when developing! |
| 19:40.30 | krka | you should put it in DevTo.... oh right |
| 19:42.31 | Iriel | I wont make it a 'proper' 1.0 release until I clean up some of the older code, maybe persist the limit settings to saved variables and suchlike |
| 19:44.14 | Josh_Borke | Iriel: can you make /dump usable by other mods? ^_^ |
| 19:45.14 | Shouryuu | I hate the way we teach you philosophy. |
| 19:45.23 | Maldivia | Josh_Borke: SlashCmdList["DEVTOOLSDUMP"]("something") :) |
| 19:45.34 | Shouryuu | We just teach you to repeat what a couple of authors said, and act as if you've thought about it. |
| 19:45.36 | Maldivia | equivalent of /dump something |
| 19:45.48 | Josh_Borke | Maldivia: AH HA! DANKE! |
| 19:46.14 | Josh_Borke | I <3 dump and keep wanting to use it while debugging, but didn't know how to outside of typing /dump <blah> :D |
| 19:47.37 | Wobin_ | Iriel: just a note, could you have the popup toggle on the #click? |
| 19:47.43 | krka | hmm...force GC is in BossPanel - performance, cool |
| 19:47.44 | Maldivia | I have a utility mod, I use for testing stuff, mostly one of the functions there is a function dump(msg) that calls /dump :) |
| 19:47.54 | krka | i wonder if it's as good as iriels (or even that very same one) |
| 19:47.57 | Shouryuu | Wasn't Adrine working on some healing mod? |
| 19:48.13 | Adrine | I was, yes. What specifically? |
| 19:48.13 | Iriel | Wobin_ : I could. |
| 19:48.21 | Iriel | Josh_Borke : It is |
| 19:48.40 | Shouryuu | Forgot the name... A mod that would show in what health % you were healing most |
| 19:48.43 | Josh_Borke | Iriel: Maldivia showed me the light :D |
| 19:48.45 | Adrine | Healcap |
| 19:48.46 | Josh_Borke | Shouryuu: HealCap :D |
| 19:48.47 | Iriel | Josh_Borke : DevTools_Dump, I think, it's in the readme |
| 19:48.53 | Josh_Borke | oh! |
| 19:48.54 | Shouryuu | aye :P Is it out? |
| 19:48.55 | Josh_Borke | cool |
| 19:49.08 | Adrine | I have a release up, but it's pretty young |
| 19:49.09 | Iriel | Josh_Borke : There's an easier version than Maldivia's, especially if you're trying to dump a data structure (that might be private) |
| 19:49.29 | Shouryuu | ok cool :P Just curious, dunno why I suddenly thought about it |
| 19:49.31 | Josh_Borke | i must have missed that in the readme :-) i'll have to look tonight |
| 19:49.36 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zespri (i=neffa@202.180.89.123) |
| 19:49.37 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/Healcap/Healcap-0.2.2.zip |
| 19:49.37 | Maldivia | yeah ok, my version is for global variable/expressions only :) |
| 19:49.47 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/Healcap/healcap2.jpg |
| 19:50.01 | Iriel | Ah, it's not in the readme proper, but the changes list |
| 19:50.05 | Iriel | * Made DevTools_Dump(value) friendly enough to use from code for debugging. |
| 19:50.06 | Maldivia | never bothered to look up how DevTools worked, just check the slash command handler :) |
| 19:50.11 | Shouryuu | yeah that one, real nice :P |
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| 19:51.01 | Josh_Borke | yea, it's pretty cool |
| 19:51.13 | Josh_Borke | it showed me that priests <3 prayer of healing :D |
| 19:51.17 | Shouryuu | It's good looking as well :p |
| 19:51.54 | Shouryuu | hummm should I code or watch a movie... Or maybe eat... |
| 19:51.58 | Wobin_ | oh I <3 PoH |
| 19:52.09 | Shouryuu | I <3 Holy nova |
| 19:52.11 | Wobin_ | possibly not as much as I could |
| 19:52.17 | Wobin_ | Holy Nova rocks =) |
| 19:52.21 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 19:52.24 | Wobin_ | Pity it's so mana intensive for such little effect |
| 19:52.27 | Aalny | new features in DevTools make me giddy |
| 19:52.37 | Shouryuu | I loved it before 1.10, haven't tried 1.10 yet though |
| 19:52.48 | Natasem | anyone know of a website that has a detailed discription as to what every "option" in the Combat log does? i checked the wowiki bt there isn't anything aboutthe combat log |
| 19:52.54 | Wobin_ | I soloed the deadmines with it =) |
| 19:53.03 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 19:53.03 | Wobin_ | AoE'd all the miners to death =P |
| 19:53.08 | Natasem | shou you should go heat |
| 19:53.11 | Natasem | eat* |
| 19:53.27 | Shouryuu | meh, movie |
| 19:53.34 | Maldivia | Natasem: There are some info about the chat combat events on wowwiki.. |
| 19:53.37 | Shouryuu | startship troopers! |
| 19:53.39 | Maldivia | Natasem: but not for all of them |
| 19:53.56 | Natasem | ok fine eat while wating a movie so you can have energy to code |
| 19:54.03 | Shouryuu | hehehe |
| 19:54.06 | Natasem | ya i checked wowwiki already |
| 19:54.33 | Shouryuu | It's sad to see how I'm so easily amused :P |
| 19:56.46 | krka | world server down |
| 19:56.51 | krka | this makes me sad |
| 19:57.00 | Shouryuu | haha! |
| 19:57.05 | ckknight | anyone want to help me test FuBar? |
| 19:57.16 | krka | what is fubar? |
| 19:57.26 | ckknight | BossPanel, renamed |
| 19:57.32 | Aalny | oh man..../dtchatevent kicks *much* ass |
| 19:57.34 | Shouryuu | awww |
| 19:57.36 | Natasem | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.37 | krka | oh... much changed? |
| 19:57.47 | krka | if i can still use my current plugins, i am in |
| 19:57.48 | kremonte | ' |
| 19:57.54 | ckknight | yea, backwards compatible, krka |
| 19:57.59 | krka | then yeah :) |
| 19:58.08 | Shouryuu | ' you too! |
| 19:58.24 | krka | i need to modify BossPanel - Location to use MapLibrary if available |
| 19:58.27 | *** join/#wowi-lounge qwxyr (i=qw@201.80-202-198.nextgentel.com) |
| 19:58.39 | Shouryuu | and kremonte did you write a lot of that go game? |
| 19:58.45 | Shouryuu | or did you quit early? |
| 19:58.46 | ckknight | krka, what's your email? |
| 19:59.07 | ckknight | and I'd be happy to use MapLibrary, I just haven't gotten around to it/thought about it yet |
| 20:00.12 | Iriel | Aalny|afk : Glad you like it 8-) |
| 20:01.24 | ckknight | http://ckknight.no-ip.org:8080/FuBar-0.9.9.internal3.zip |
| 20:01.28 | ckknight | I don't need your email |
| 20:01.41 | ckknight | crap, that's the wrong address |
| 20:01.51 | Kalroth | yeah, it got no-ip! |
| 20:02.02 | ckknight | http://ckknight.hopto.org:8080/FuBar-0.9.9.internal3.zip |
| 20:02.57 | krka | krka@kth.se |
| 20:03.12 | krka | i can make the modification myself, not very difficult :) |
| 20:03.23 | krka | bosspanel code is easy to read :) |
| 20:03.29 | ckknight | I try |
| 20:03.34 | ckknight | at least for the plugins |
| 20:03.35 | krka | already modded BossPanel - Speed to use MapLibrary |
| 20:03.45 | ckknight | the BP core is quite jumbled |
| 20:04.32 | krka | so just delete old BossPanel |
| 20:04.35 | krka | copy this |
| 20:04.35 | krka | and go? |
| 20:04.51 | ckknight | yep |
| 20:05.06 | ckknight | the BossPanel folder (just a compatibility thing now) and the FuBar folder |
| 20:05.18 | krka | exit game then |
| 20:05.24 | ckknight | yes |
| 20:05.26 | krka | :& |
| 20:05.27 | krka | oh well |
| 20:05.55 | krka | i know how much i liked it when i managed to convince people to test my addons |
| 20:06.03 | krka | happy to do it myself :) |
| 20:06.07 | ckknight | alright |
| 20:06.39 | krka | actually, the MapLibrary version of speed is slightly worse |
| 20:06.42 | krka | it can't handle battlegrounds |
| 20:06.51 | krka | should be better for the rest though |
| 20:07.05 | ckknight | hrm |
| 20:07.05 | krka | since MapLibrary was designed to provide a seamless description of the world |
| 20:07.28 | krka | i really should add battleground support |
| 20:07.50 | wereHamster | why is CG so slow? has there been a patch again? |
| 20:07.51 | ckknight | well, if you hack MapLibrary into Bp_location, or LocationFu as it will be, I'll be happy to merge upstream |
| 20:08.07 | Wobin_ | Like Salmon! |
| 20:08.11 | krka | sure thing |
| 20:08.20 | krka | i'll make it an optional dep and fall back to current |
| 20:08.26 | ckknight | yea, that was my plan |
| 20:08.31 | ckknight | what does MapLibrary provide? |
| 20:08.36 | ckknight | haven't really checked it out |
| 20:09.00 | krka | help! |
| 20:09.06 | ckknight | ? |
| 20:09.06 | krka | i got a thin line in the center of my screen |
| 20:09.10 | krka | detach / remove |
| 20:09.23 | ckknight | ... |
| 20:09.26 | ckknight | odd |
| 20:09.38 | ckknight | can you screenie it for me? |
| 20:09.54 | krka | sure |
| 20:10.15 | Josh_Borke | what does FuBar provide over BossPanel? |
| 20:10.19 | [MoonWolf] | a new name |
| 20:10.25 | ckknight | just a new name |
| 20:10.52 | Wobin_ | And the ability to write plugins with the new <Name>-Fu moniker =) |
| 20:10.59 | ckknight | right, Wobin_ |
| 20:11.05 | Josh_Borke | sign me up! |
| 20:11.13 | krka | http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/tmp/bug.png |
| 20:11.13 | ckknight | go to the link I put above |
| 20:11.15 | krka | there you go |
| 20:11.16 | krka | big picture |
| 20:11.19 | Wobin_ | I think that's a great new functionality myself =) |
| 20:11.20 | ckknight | it's an internal version |
| 20:11.20 | krka | didn't have tiem to resize |
| 20:11.24 | krka | since i'm playing |
| 20:11.28 | ckknight | no biggie |
| 20:11.43 | ckknight | I know the bug, krka |
| 20:11.44 | ckknight | I'm on it |
| 20:11.46 | Josh_Borke | hey! there's a line in the middle of your screen! |
| 20:11.51 | Josh_Borke | :D |
| 20:12.16 | zeeg | guys |
| 20:12.17 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/gallery/files/wow-guru-v3-id1229/ |
| 20:12.45 | krka | reload fixes the bug |
| 20:13.32 | Josh_Borke | krka: i like how you have your buttons spaced like your keyboard :D |
| 20:14.02 | Maldivia | zeeg: Like it |
| 20:14.36 | wereHamster | why is everything so damn slow? CG, WoW login servers, slashdot :-/ |
| 20:14.42 | krka | thanks |
| 20:14.44 | krka | i find it helps |
| 20:15.02 | Maldivia | zeeg: although, the sub-menu items (if that's it, below menu item 10 on the left side) - it's a little unclear :) |
| 20:15.38 | krka | 0.9 KiB/s now :/ |
| 20:15.46 | krka | must be all the prints from bosspanel |
| 20:16.06 | ckknight | prints? |
| 20:16.30 | krka | text updates |
| 20:16.33 | krka | generates strings |
| 20:16.40 | krka | that's the best guess i have atm anyway :) |
| 20:17.13 | krka | that doesn't matter though |
| 20:17.26 | zeeg | Maldivia, I agree, I'll make sure that's notied |
| 20:20.23 | Wobin_ | PS: Zeeg? Your Tip is incorrect |
| 20:20.35 | Wobin_ | You have to shiftclick |
| 20:20.41 | krka | i forgot, does current bosspanel speed show yards/s? |
| 20:21.00 | zeeg | the tips are auto generated |
| 20:21.01 | zeeg | :P |
| 20:22.56 | Maldivia | zeeg: the problem is, the tip reads: You can <Shift>Click on an item t ... |
| 20:23.11 | Maldivia | zeeg: apparently, you're not translating it into < and > :) |
| 20:23.51 | Iriel | zeeg: Shouldn't the banner ad at the top of that screenshot be something lame like mortgage refinances or a gold seller? |
| 20:24.31 | zeeg | oh |
| 20:24.54 | zeeg | Iriel, probably, but we dont have gold ads |
| 20:24.59 | zeeg | so mortgage refinances hah |
| 20:25.32 | Maldivia | if not, there's always the penis enlargement business... it seems to go well for the spam-industry :) |
| 20:26.47 | Kalroth | Yeah, it's always a surprise to me each time; "how do they know?!?" |
| 20:27.35 | Maldivia | but just think if the size you could get, with all the mails you've recieved, all with money back guarantee :) |
| 20:28.02 | Maldivia | ... and new subject... |
| 20:28.38 | krka | ckknight, you did transporterfu? |
| 20:29.13 | ckknight | nope |
| 20:29.43 | ckknight | I only did the starter pack, top score, and Micro Menu |
| 20:30.21 | krka | ah ok |
| 20:30.25 | krka | i wont bug you then |
| 20:30.34 | krka | micro menu? :) |
| 20:30.52 | ckknight | same thing as Titan [mainMenu] |
| 20:31.02 | ckknight | only MainMenu was a weird name |
| 20:31.23 | krka | which is? |
| 20:31.43 | ckknight | you know that bar at the bottom right of your screen, left of the bags |
| 20:31.46 | ckknight | with all those buttons |
| 20:31.51 | ckknight | like class, skills, talents, whatnot |
| 20:32.01 | ckknight | it puts a miniature one on BP |
| 20:33.20 | ckknight | krka, why do you use GetTime() on the OnUpdate instead of arg1? |
| 20:33.21 | ckknight | jw |
| 20:33.25 | ckknight | for MapLibrary |
| 20:35.12 | krka | good question |
| 20:35.19 | krka | i was considering that as late as today |
| 20:35.36 | krka | jw? |
| 20:35.49 | krka | oooh... i will need micro menu then |
| 20:35.53 | krka | since i have mainbar:hide |
| 20:36.22 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:36.25 | ckknight | meh |
| 20:36.27 | ckknight | I don't use it |
| 20:36.30 | ckknight | but people wanted it |
| 20:36.32 | ckknight | so I caved |
| 20:36.41 | Wobin_ | Nor I normally... and then I realised I wanted to report someone =P |
| 20:36.48 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:36.58 | ckknight | you can right-click to disable buttons and just leave the report button |
| 20:38.12 | krka | i just use it for talents and character farme |
| 20:38.18 | krka | i dont want to waste hotkeys on that |
| 20:38.59 | krka | ckknight, i will update MapLibrary and give my patches for Location / Speed tomorrow if you want |
| 20:40.15 | ckknight | I didn't write Speed |
| 20:40.18 | ckknight | just Location |
| 20:40.22 | ckknight | but sure, that'd be great |
| 20:41.01 | krka | ah |
| 20:41.25 | krka | my mistake :) |
| 20:42.04 | krka | know who did? |
| 20:43.42 | krka | why would you want to read MapLibrary code btw? it's filled with icky math |
| 20:44.45 | AnduinLothar | Assertion: (width & (width - 1)) == 0 |
| 20:44.49 | AnduinLothar | odd |
| 20:44.56 | krka | why odd? |
| 20:45.05 | krka | makes sure it's a power of two |
| 20:45.24 | AnduinLothar | right, cept i extracted the file and resaved it.. |
| 20:46.08 | AnduinLothar | have to fix it later |
| 20:46.10 | Josh_Borke | huh? |
| 20:46.24 | Maldivia | zeeg ? |
| 20:46.42 | zeeg | ? |
| 20:47.45 | Maldivia | how many spells can an item have? |
| 20:47.48 | zeeg | 5 |
| 20:48.11 | Maldivia | ok, that what what I figued, but never seen more than 3 |
| 20:48.22 | Maldivia | except for the fake trinket in the cthun screenshot |
| 20:48.46 | zeeg | ya all those legendary screenies are fake |
| 20:48.57 | zeeg | anytime you see one, just search the spell db and mark the in descriptions box |
| 20:49.09 | zeeg | and all of them make up some stupid spell to add to it :P |
| 20:49.10 | Maldivia | yeah, I know :) |
| 20:49.55 | Maldivia | I was thinking of the epic trinket that was in the screenshot, with 5 spells, with spell power, AP, dodge, parry and +hit% |
| 20:50.43 | zeeg | ya |
| 20:50.52 | Maldivia | +49 Attack Power - doesn't exists :) |
| 20:51.20 | Kirov | actually, it does |
| 20:52.03 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/db/spellsearch.php?name=49+attack+power&descs=1&cat=&level_min=&level_max= |
| 20:52.04 | Kirov | I think |
| 20:52.09 | zeeg | nope |
| 20:52.15 | Kirov | Not on any existing item, no. |
| 20:52.16 | Maldivia | the only odd attack power, is 15 :) |
| 20:52.29 | zeeg | Kirov, there's no spell for it |
| 20:52.51 | Kirov | *waits for wow wiki to load* |
| 20:53.16 | zeeg | wowwiki can say whatever it wants :P |
| 20:53.20 | zeeg | but there's no spell so it dont exist :) |
| 20:54.42 | Kirov | wow, there isn't a 49 |
| 20:54.58 | Kirov | there's a 48, 50, 53, but no 49 |
| 20:55.28 | zeeg | like i said, it cant exist w/o the spell :) |
| 20:55.35 | Maldivia | there's no 53! |
| 20:55.40 | Maldivia | there's a ranged attack power +53 |
| 20:57.37 | Kirov | curses! foiled again - http://www.wowwiki.com/API_TYPE_ItemString |
| 20:57.57 | Kirov | I think I need to resort that list. =P |
| 20:58.37 | zeeg | someone actuall types that all in |
| 20:58.52 | Kirov | No |
| 20:59.01 | [MoonWolf] | scanning the exe for strings |
| 20:59.06 | Maldivia | no no... |
| 20:59.12 | Kirov | Someone writes a mod that outputs that all to html |
| 20:59.13 | Maldivia | parsed the dbc :) |
| 20:59.14 | Kirov | mainly, me |
| 20:59.27 | zeeg | oh |
| 20:59.45 | Maldivia | Kirov: well, then you should know to trust the spell dbc - if it's not there, the spell doesn't exists :) |
| 20:59.48 | zeeg | ya [MoonWolf], all this is stored in DBC's |
| 20:59.56 | [MoonWolf] | aha |
| 21:00.01 | Josh_Borke | ok, bye all :-) |
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| 21:00.16 | Kirov | Maldivia - I do, I just though I remembered there being a 49. =( |
| 21:00.52 | Maldivia | having the dbc in an SQL database, really helps :) |
| 21:02.00 | krka | hmm.. .why am i fixing MapLibrarys onupate |
| 21:02.04 | krka | that's only run on calibrating |
| 21:02.05 | krka | oh well |
| 21:03.18 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 21:03.30 | krka | only a very minor fix too :/ |
| 21:03.41 | krka | that's 10 seconds of my life wasted |
| 21:04.00 | Maldivia | and then 1 minute wasted telling us about it |
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| 21:07.27 | Kalroth | that peer dude is a meanie |
| 21:08.17 | Maldivia | not as bad as pitr |
| 21:09.10 | Aalny|afk | woot, svn 1.3.1 released |
| 21:09.31 | Aalny | nothing new, just bug fixes |
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| 21:18.32 | wereHamster | Iriel, do you use subversion for your projects? |
| 21:18.57 | Natasem | lol |
| 21:19.00 | Natasem | Currently Active Users: 1018 (93 members and 925 guests) |
| 21:19.13 | Natasem | at the wowinterface.com site |
| 21:26.00 | AnduinLothar | what's new in the new svn? |
| 21:27.23 | Iriel | wereHamster : Yes, at home and at work now |
| 21:29.06 | wereHamster | I'm planing to switch from perforce to subversion.. |
| 21:30.48 | AnduinLothar | svn is nice |
| 21:31.03 | AnduinLothar | i need to get myself using the eclipse plugin |
| 21:31.15 | JoshBorke | ( Iriel ): where can i get the new devtools again? |
| 21:31.37 | wereHamster | perforce too, but I'm planing to write a closed source project.. and then I can't use p4 because I only have the opensource license |
| 21:31.39 | Tem | at 2 minutes and 3 seconds after 1 am tomorrow, the date and time will be 01:02:03 04/05/06 |
| 21:31.49 | Iriel | JoshBorke : http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/ |
| 21:32.13 | JoshBorke | woohoo, i was only off by the downloads folder |
| 21:32.15 | Iriel | JoshBorke : aka "The usual place" |
| 21:32.19 | Kirov | <3 perforce |
| 21:32.30 | wereHamster | oh.. trac is very nice.. wiki, bug report database and source browser in one package |
| 21:32.33 | Kirov | alienbrain is evil incarnate |
| 21:32.38 | JoshBorke | bookmark added :D |
| 21:33.11 | Maldivia | Tem: In the US perhaps, I have to wait another month |
| 21:33.41 | Kirov | source safe is like every microsoft product, does what it needs to, but uses your entire cpu and 2 gigs of RAM to browse. |
| 21:33.41 | krka | synergy! got 6 completed quests now |
| 21:34.03 | Tem | aye, crazy Europeans and your crazy date format |
| 21:34.09 | wereHamster | trac has a native plugin for subversion and there is also one for perforce, not an official though.. I think I'll switch to svn :) |
| 21:34.18 | krka | crazy? |
| 21:34.25 | Gryphen | lol wereHamster |
| 21:34.38 | krka | the concept of large unit to the left is confusing? :) |
| 21:34.41 | Tem | (though I must admit, it's only crazy because I didn't grow up with it. It actually makes more sense than the us system) |
| 21:34.44 | Iriel | Kirov : You forgot 'and breaks if too many users use it' |
| 21:34.49 | Shouryuu | yeah, where does the month/day/year thing come from? |
| 21:34.57 | Kirov | Iriel - or left running for too long |
| 21:35.24 | Kirov | Though at least it doesn't decide to destroy it's entire database randomly like alienbrain |
| 21:35.53 | krka | hmm... bosspanel - durability doesn't seem to work :( |
| 21:35.54 | AnduinLothar | ya, we were thinking of setting up trac for cosmos |
| 21:36.07 | AnduinLothar | but we're working on the forum conversion to vbuliten first |
| 21:36.15 | Kirov | We had alien brain self implode a month before a near final milestone on a project I was on. |
| 21:36.17 | Kirov | That was fun |
| 21:36.27 | Shouryuu | alien brain? |
| 21:36.29 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 21:37.15 | wereHamster | .. night |
| 21:37.21 | Shouryuu | night |
| 21:38.10 | Kirov | We had to rebuild the entire project from someone's local copy that they'd gotten the night before the meltdown |
| 21:38.29 | Kirov | http://www.alienbrain.com/ |
| 21:38.51 | Shouryuu | it's strange but Startship troopers is actually a well made movie |
| 21:39.16 | Kirov | heh |
| 21:39.17 | Kirov | Yes it is. |
| 21:39.25 | Shouryuu | the bugs don't look too ugly, and it's quite old |
| 21:40.02 | Shouryuu | Hummm 1997 |
| 21:40.04 | Kirov | The practical effects in that movie aren't always great, but the cg is fairly impressive, especially considering when it was done. |
| 21:40.14 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 21:40.25 | Kirov | The "brain bug" scene at the end you can start to see some of the limitations of the tech though |
| 21:40.28 | krka | yay, just hit level 50 |
| 21:40.33 | krka | hit 49 yesterday |
| 21:40.42 | Kirov | The straps holding the bug are horrible |
| 21:41.03 | Shouryuu | straps, when? |
| 21:41.14 | Kirov | Very end of the movie |
| 21:41.19 | Kirov | Like a 30 second scene |
| 21:41.22 | Shouryuu | ah that |
| 21:41.23 | Kirov | if that |
| 21:41.26 | Shouryuu | with the brain bug |
| 21:41.35 | Kirov | They stick the big needle in him |
| 21:41.35 | Kirov | yeah |
| 21:43.07 | Shouryuu | how old is The night of the evil dead |
| 21:43.24 | Shouryuu | wow 1968 |
| 21:45.02 | Kirov | Evil Dead 2 is the best horror movie of all time |
| 21:45.33 | Shouryuu | Never saw the second one |
| 21:45.47 | Shouryuu | the first one is of rather high standards on my book |
| 21:46.07 | Kirov | Evil Dead 2 is basically a remake of the first one with a better budget, and takes itself less seriously |
| 21:46.23 | Shouryuu | awww |
| 21:46.33 | Shouryuu | the fun in the first one is the fact that it isn't serious! |
| 21:46.44 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 21:46.50 | Kirov | The second one does it a lot better. |
| 21:47.04 | Shouryuu | I used to do a Requiem for a dream, Cannibal Holocaust then Night of the evil dead marathon |
| 21:47.16 | Kirov | heh |
| 21:47.17 | Shouryuu | that was teh stuff! |
| 21:47.52 | Shouryuu | when I was a coca-cola driven young pre-adolescant! |
| 21:48.10 | Shouryuu | gosh I miss those days |
| 21:52.00 | JoshBorke | wait! |
| 21:53.31 | JoshBorke | i don't get any <player> begins to cast <spell> for party spells |
| 21:53.55 | Shouryuu | fudge up yur combat log? |
| 21:54.21 | JoshBorke | no, i get the messages for out of party people |
| 21:54.26 | JoshBorke | ie, FRIENDLYPLAYER_BUFF |
| 21:54.30 | Aalny | I think the month/day/year thing probably came about because that's how peole write out the full date: April 5, 2006 |
| 21:54.48 | Shouryuu | aahh smart |
| 21:54.57 | Shouryuu | although it could be the other way around |
| 21:55.07 | Shouryuu | since you can write 5th of April 2006 |
| 21:55.32 | Aalny | But for anything programming related, I definitely prefer year/month/day hour:min:sec because it sorts properly. |
| 21:55.45 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 21:55.56 | Shouryuu | year/month/day makes more sens |
| 21:56.05 | JoshBorke | OH BLAST! |
| 21:56.10 | JoshBorke | the events just aren't generated :-( |
| 21:56.11 | Shouryuu | you know what came first quicker |
| 21:57.23 | Shouryuu | someone know of an addon that allows me to bind a key to z+3 for example? |
| 21:57.27 | Iriel | I use the ISO date format mostly |
| 21:57.30 | Iriel | that's YYYY-MM-DD |
| 21:57.39 | AnduinLothar | z is not a modifier |
| 21:57.47 | Shouryuu | so I can't? |
| 21:57.54 | Shouryuu | there is absolutely no way I can? |
| 21:57.56 | Kirov | you could |
| 21:58.13 | Kirov | but you'd need to write your own key state addon |
| 21:58.55 | Kirov | I'm sure someone's done it for mouse buttons by now |
| 21:59.12 | krka | man, that zoning thread is growing and growing |
| 21:59.16 | Shouryuu | is there a way I could change bar each time I cast a spell? |
| 21:59.27 | krka | and no one has suggestion the solution i use |
| 21:59.30 | Kirov | sure |
| 21:59.31 | krka | how depressing |
| 21:59.34 | Kirov | krka? |
| 21:59.34 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:59.45 | ckknight | krka, what solution is that? |
| 21:59.56 | krka | only set dirty flags on events |
| 21:59.59 | Kirov | My solution is to never do anything from events, only onupdate |
| 22:00.00 | krka | and perform checks on demand |
| 22:00.07 | Kirov | fixes the whole loading issue entirely! |
| 22:00.12 | krka | yeah |
| 22:00.13 | Shouryuu | heh |
| 22:00.21 | ckknight | krka, why isn't MapLibrary LoadOnDemand? |
| 22:00.34 | krka | because i wrote it before that concept existed :P |
| 22:00.44 | ckknight | alright |
| 22:00.49 | ckknight | you should put that in :-) |
| 22:00.51 | krka | is that a big change to make? |
| 22:01.39 | ckknight | no |
| 22:01.40 | ckknight | not for a library |
| 22:01.40 | ckknight | cause if someone uses it as a dependency, it'll load with it |
| 22:01.40 | ckknight | so no fuss, no muss |
| 22:01.40 | Kirov | ## LoadOnDemand ? |
| 22:01.40 | krka | what does that imply? that it can't load on its own? |
| 22:01.40 | ckknight | just put ## LoadOnDemand : 1 |
| 22:01.40 | krka | something must need it for it to run? |
| 22:01.40 | ckknight | right |
| 22:01.42 | krka | what does the : 1 mean? |
| 22:01.44 | ckknight | true? |
| 22:01.49 | krka | ah ok |
| 22:01.50 | Shouryuu | ok no one post on this thread http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=353808&p=1&tmp=1#post353808 |
| 22:01.57 | Shouryuu | If I've refrained, anyone ca |
| 22:02.08 | ckknight | you can load it manually with LoadAddOn("MapLibrary") |
| 22:02.21 | ckknight | but since it is a library, it's a perfect candidate for LoadOnDemand goodness |
| 22:02.31 | krka | hmm... |
| 22:02.35 | krka | actually, i don't really want that |
| 22:02.39 | ckknight | why? |
| 22:02.44 | krka | i want it to calibrate new zones |
| 22:03.01 | ckknight | even if nothing is using it? |
| 22:03.22 | krka | well... if it's installed, something should want to use it :P |
| 22:03.30 | krka | even if it's just temporarily disabled |
| 22:03.30 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:03.33 | ckknight | and thus, it'll load |
| 22:03.43 | krka | not a big issue i guess |
| 22:03.46 | krka | i can add the line |
| 22:03.57 | ckknight | if it's declared as a dependency of something, it'll load with the addon that needs it |
| 22:04.09 | ckknight | (unless already loaded) |
| 22:04.14 | Shouryuu | must.. eat.. dinner.. it's midnight... |
| 22:04.27 | ckknight | but if nothing ever needs it, it won't load |
| 22:04.38 | krka | this library is nice though, won't perform anything on its own |
| 22:04.59 | krka | hmm.. no wait |
| 22:05.01 | krka | that's not true |
| 22:05.04 | ckknight | that's pretty funny, Shouryuu |
| 22:05.08 | ckknight | but, yes, no one reply |
| 22:05.12 | ckknight | it's just fanning flames |
| 22:05.53 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:06.45 | krka | agreed, funny |
| 22:07.00 | Tem | I didn't think it was funny |
| 22:07.07 | Tem | it kinda pissed me off a little |
| 22:07.17 | Tem | made me want to reach through the internet and kick him in the balls |
| 22:07.21 | Kirov | Makes me think of my guild's second Rag kill |
| 22:08.01 | Kirov | "Hey, why did 3 people log off?" "World server is down." "Huh?" "SERVER SHUTDOWN 15:00" "uh..." "Everyone buff!" |
| 22:08.11 | AnduinLothar | can someone do me a favor and ceonvert a batch of png's to blp2s on a pc? |
| 22:09.29 | Iriel | Just make sure, if it's LoadOnDemand, that it doesn't REQUIRE a PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD event |
| 22:09.30 | JoshBorke | aw, it's been edited :-( |
| 22:09.36 | Shouryuu | Tem Agreed |
| 22:10.42 | AnduinLothar | anyone? using wowimage off curse |
| 22:10.45 | Kirov | Anduin - sure |
| 22:10.48 | Shouryuu | it's funny how people have to blame everyone else for their own stupidity |
| 22:10.55 | AnduinLothar | i get the feeling the mac version is adding a white border |
| 22:10.57 | Shouryuu | I would but dunno how |
| 22:11.07 | ckknight | AnduinLothar, I'll do it for you |
| 22:11.21 | Shouryuu | arghhh logdan bit |
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| 22:11.45 | AnduinLothar | can either of you accept dcc? |
| 22:11.58 | Kirov | hmm |
| 22:12.37 | Adrine | Woot. Recursive quadtree space decomposition working. |
| 22:12.44 | Shouryuu | omg! |
| 22:12.45 | KarlKFI | there we go, kirov got um |
| 22:12.48 | ckknight | how would I convert em? |
| 22:12.52 | Kirov | hmm |
| 22:12.57 | Kirov | error |
| 22:13.03 | KarlKFI | ? |
| 22:13.07 | KarlKFI | it said complete |
| 22:13.11 | Kirov | weird |
| 22:13.13 | JoshBorke | er, what did you just say adrine? |
| 22:13.17 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/quadtree.gif |
| 22:13.20 | Kirov | there we go |
| 22:13.37 | KarlKFI | just drag um ontho the wowimage Encode |
| 22:13.40 | Adrine | The graph is breaking itself down into a quadtree, with each cell knowing the weight of its subcells |
| 22:13.49 | KarlKFI | and send me back the blps |
| 22:13.58 | Adrine | Which means I can do force approximations a lot faster than I currently am |
| 22:14.17 | Shouryuu | wow Adrine, even if I don't understand a word of what you said, pretttyy |
| 22:14.27 | Adrine | You should see it in motion :) |
| 22:14.33 | Shouryuu | awww |
| 22:14.51 | Adrine | If you get two or more nodes in the same cell, the cell divides itself into four cells, and so on and so forth until each node is in its own cell. |
| 22:15.05 | Shouryuu | that's cool |
| 22:15.08 | Adrine | Quite so. |
| 22:15.13 | Shouryuu | I'm a geek but it's cool |
| 22:15.28 | AnduinLothar | send um to karlkfi |
| 22:15.36 | Kirov | right |
| 22:15.40 | Adrine | If you have python/pygame installed, you can run the script for yourself |
| 22:15.49 | Shouryuu | I don't =( |
| 22:16.14 | Kirov | Karl? |
| 22:16.27 | KarlKFI | try again |
| 22:16.53 | KarlKFI | gets stuck on connecting |
| 22:17.07 | KarlKFI | you're prolly behind a router |
| 22:17.10 | KarlKFI | or firewall |
| 22:17.27 | Kirov | ok, let me just upload it |
| 22:17.32 | KarlKFI | k |
| 22:17.58 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/quadtree2.gif |
| 22:18.02 | Adrine | There's one that's a bit more complex |
| 22:18.44 | Shouryuu | and why are you doing this btw? |
| 22:18.49 | Adrine | Just for fun, mostly. |
| 22:18.58 | Adrine | Because it's a cool thing to learn. And I'm a geek. |
| 22:18.59 | Shouryuu | :P |
| 22:19.08 | KarlKFI | for his molti-million doller accociative web search engine, doncha know |
| 22:20.47 | krka | hmm... my addon relies on VARIABLES_LOADED and zone change / player entering world :/ |
| 22:20.47 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/AroowButtons.blp.zip |
| 22:20.54 | krka | maybe a bad idea to make it loadondemand |
| 22:21.08 | krka | atleast until i sort that out |
| 22:21.10 | Iriel | krka: You can tell if PEW has happened |
| 22:21.34 | Iriel | krka: Why do you need VARIABLES_LOADED ? |
| 22:21.35 | Aalny | fire the lasers? pew pew |
| 22:21.41 | krka | hmm... maybe that's old |
| 22:21.48 | krka | i can do that on OnLoad instead? |
| 22:22.00 | KarlKFI | thx kirov, time to test um |
| 22:22.03 | Iriel | krka: One would hope you'd use ADDON_LOADED arg1 == your addon ame |
| 22:22.05 | Iriel | Name |
| 22:22.19 | krka | instead of VARIABLES_LOADED? |
| 22:22.37 | AnduinLothar | gah! authing.. |
| 22:22.45 | Aalny | speaking of the arg1 for ADDON_LOADED....there was a change at some point that made that case-sensitive to match the folder name of the addon? |
| 22:22.49 | Aalny | or toc file? |
| 22:22.55 | AnduinLothar | does it not? |
| 22:23.00 | Iriel | It's supposed to match the name from the toc, I think |
| 22:23.10 | Iriel | regardless of the casing of the directory |
| 22:23.19 | krka | will have to take a look at modifying MapLibrary tomorrow |
| 22:23.24 | krka | lots of stuff to change, i think |
| 22:23.32 | AnduinLothar | what's wrong with it? |
| 22:23.33 | Aalny | name *of* the toc, or name *in* the toc? (though I suppose it wouldn't be that hard to test) |
| 22:23.35 | Iriel | And yes, that changed a patch after we got load on demand |
| 22:23.43 | JoshBorke | why don't we get "<party member> begins to cast <spell>" :-( |
| 22:23.47 | Iriel | The name OF the toc, there's no name IN the toc |
| 22:24.01 | AnduinLothar | sure there is |
| 22:24.05 | AnduinLothar | a localized one |
| 22:24.16 | Iriel | That's a TITLE, not a NAME |
| 22:24.21 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
| 22:24.23 | Aalny | details! |
| 22:24.30 | Iriel | It's in important distinction! |
| 22:24.33 | Aalny | lol |
| 22:26.41 | AnduinLothar | wow that login too forever |
| 22:26.46 | AnduinLothar | took* |
| 22:28.09 | AnduinLothar | sweet! Assertion: (unknown) |
| 22:28.35 | Iriel | My that's informative |
| 22:28.39 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 22:28.43 | AnduinLothar | ya... |
| 22:28.53 | AnduinLothar | App: /Games/World of Warcraft/World of Warcraft.app |
| 22:28.53 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.55 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.22 | Maldivia | Iriel: you know so much (hehe), do you by any chance know about the indexes for Model:SetCamera(index) ? |
| 22:32.41 | AnduinLothar | looks like your converted images have the sam eproblems mine did kirov... must be a png save thing or something |
| 22:33.00 | Kirov | What issue? |
| 22:33.20 | AnduinLothar | a white border on the outside pixal that makes the gold border look grey |
| 22:33.25 | Shouryuu | the white outline |
| 22:33.28 | Shouryuu | ah |
| 22:33.51 | Shouryuu | typing while eating a sandwiche makes you slow |
| 22:34.13 | Shouryuu | ande adde "e"s everywhere (ore almoste) |
| 22:37.23 | Aalny | What benefit does converting to blp2 have over just using tga? |
| 22:38.07 | AnduinLothar | blp is the format of the mirror image files in the mpq and are compresses so they're smaller i believe |
| 22:38.58 | AnduinLothar | lemme see if tga's have the same problem |
| 22:39.05 | Aalny | so basically just a tiny amount of disk space (and thus bandwidth) saved....assuming they both load into memory with the same footprint when you actually play the game. |
| 22:39.37 | Aalny | *bandwidth for downloading the mod |
| 22:39.55 | Kirov | hmm |
| 22:40.02 | Kirov | I can probably fix these images |
| 22:40.05 | AnduinLothar | the tga is 48k, the blp2 is 4k |
| 22:40.11 | Shouryuu | lol, someone is threatening to file a class action suit against blizzard for wrongfuly baning him |
| 22:40.58 | Kirov | heh |
| 22:41.38 | Shouryuu | The ToU is so vague they could justify banning you for looting a mob |
| 22:42.12 | Aalny | Admittedly, that's a nice compression ratio. But it still seems like small savings when most people don't even host their own mods and the standard WoW installation is >4gig |
| 22:42.30 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 22:43.10 | AnduinLothar | i'm a perfectionist |
| 22:43.25 | AnduinLothar | plus it adds up when you have 40 images |
| 22:43.25 | Kirov | who has the .psd files for these? |
| 22:43.42 | AnduinLothar | i have one that i made |
| 22:43.45 | AnduinLothar | from the png |
| 22:43.52 | Kirov | meh |
| 22:44.13 | Aalny | 40 images would indeed add up. I was just curious. |
| 22:44.45 | Kirov | I've been thinking about pestering one of my friends in to making a real blp2 / tga / png converter |
| 22:44.58 | Kirov | None of the existing ones do it "right" |
| 22:45.03 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 22:45.39 | Kirov | They're close enough that they work, but there are so many dxtc types (what blp2 is based on) |
| 22:47.07 | Shouryuu | is it elseif or else if |
| 22:47.36 | Kirov | elseif |
| 22:47.55 | Kirov | else if will create a new if statement inside the else |
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| 22:48.45 | Shouryuu | ah |
| 22:50.48 | Shouryuu | w00t " BTW, I'll be investigating optimizing these in the client for 1.11 as well." on the optimization thread, from slouken |
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| 22:51.41 | AnduinLothar | Fucking wow needs to stop crashing, this build sucks.. |
| 22:51.49 | Iriel | Kirov : if they do that, make sure they release it open source |
| 22:51.57 | Iriel | Kirov : I need to be able to convert in linux |
| 22:52.20 | Ktron | They should have reverted |
| 22:52.38 | Ktron | They should have seen that this patch was causing massive problems, and reverted and waited to release it |
| 22:52.43 | AnduinLothar | and 1.10.1 wasn't ready today |
| 22:53.00 | AnduinLothar | so we have to wait a week |
| 22:53.04 | Ktron | I've still never even seen weather |
| 22:53.14 | Kirov | Iriel - :) |
| 22:53.15 | AnduinLothar | there was a fricking lua error in yesterday's build... |
| 22:54.50 | Ktron | When we start saying its a mistake, you know Blizzard did something wrong |
| 22:54.50 | Ktron | heh |
| 22:55.07 | Ktron | when Cairenn does, we'll be closer yet, and when slouken does, then it's set in stone |
| 22:55.08 | Shouryuu | lol Iriel, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=353864&p=1&tmp=1#post353864, you have a fan club! |
| 22:55.28 | Iriel | Reverting is almost never the right thing to do, it's certainly not right now. |
| 22:56.23 | ckknight | I'm gonna write a completely made up story about you |
| 22:56.26 | ckknight | but I promise it'll be funny |
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| 22:56.57 | ckknight | gonna compare you to the tooth fairy |
| 22:56.57 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:56.58 | Iriel | Go right ahead, i'll pretend I haven't noticed the thread for a while and see where it goes. |
| 22:57.07 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 22:57.10 | AnduinLothar | any luck kirov? |
| 22:57.19 | Kirov | just a sec |
| 22:57.38 | ckknight | tooth fairy/santa claus/easter bunny deal |
| 22:57.41 | AnduinLothar | i can't get my tga alpha to work correctly for some odd reason |
| 22:57.47 | Kirov | my computer at work doesn't like opening file save / open dialogs ... hangs for 20-25 seconds when ever I do |
| 22:57.53 | Iriel | I hate tga alpha converters at the moment |
| 22:57.59 | Iriel | They all screw my textures up. |
| 22:58.17 | Kirov | I do this most days, so it's not a big deal |
| 22:58.22 | AnduinLothar | oh i just use photoshop |
| 22:58.25 | Iriel | if I could get them to stop taking liberties with the color behind a fully transparent pixel, i'd be happier |
| 22:58.32 | AnduinLothar | why do you use a converter? |
| 22:58.47 | Iriel | because I have some script-generated images |
| 22:58.57 | AnduinLothar | ic |
| 22:59.09 | Iriel | and I usually do those as pgm/ppm files, because the format is trivial |
| 23:00.22 | Kirov | hmm |
| 23:00.31 | Kirov | Iriel as slouken's better half? |
| 23:00.38 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 23:00.41 | Kirov | Sam <3 Matt? |
| 23:00.57 | Iriel | Matt? |
| 23:01.14 | Kirov | Mark? |
| 23:01.21 | Shouryuu | ohhh http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=7771057&P=1 |
| 23:01.32 | Iriel | Nope |
| 23:01.38 | Kirov | Damn |
| 23:01.49 | AnduinLothar | ah there we go, have to same it as 32-bit to get alpha working |
| 23:01.52 | Kirov | daniel! |
| 23:01.57 | Kirov | heh |
| 23:01.57 | AnduinLothar | save* |
| 23:02.11 | ckknight | alright, I posted my bit on here http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=353879 |
| 23:02.23 | Iriel | ckknight : I posted on your name conversion |
| 23:02.29 | Shouryuu | have the woods always been in teh alliance's backround? http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/index.html |
| 23:02.34 | Kirov | For some reason I thought I remembered seeing Matt someplace |
| 23:02.36 | Kirov | ah well |
| 23:02.48 | Shouryuu | I think not, but I;m not sure |
| 23:02.55 | Iriel | ckknight : cute. |
| 23:03.09 | Iriel | Kirov : There's a matt down the road from me from the UI community, but I jave no idea who it is. |
| 23:03.09 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:03.15 | Iriel | I believe Tem may be a Matt also |
| 23:03.48 | Maldivia | hmm, what are the chances Model:SetCamera(x,y,z,a,b,c) would be added for 1.11, any ideas :) |
| 23:04.05 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/AroowButtons.blp.2.zip - try these |
| 23:04.13 | Iriel | Maldivia : Can you set those from the XML? |
| 23:04.25 | Maldivia | hmm, dont think so |
| 23:04.29 | Maldivia | let me check |
| 23:04.54 | Iriel | Maldivia : If the answer to that is 'yes', then my response is "slim", if the answer is no, then my response is "infinitesimally tiny" |
| 23:05.30 | Maldivia | then "infinitesimally tiny" is the answer :| |
| 23:06.51 | ckknight | Iriel, where did you post about the name change? |
| 23:07.07 | Shouryuu | Side effects include... something |
| 23:07.20 | Maldivia | Iriel: it's just annoying... there's a SetPosition to move the model, but no way of controling the camera of the Model :| |
| 23:08.01 | Kirov | Ttam! |
| 23:08.03 | Iriel | ckknight : Just now, it's a response to your code snipped to remap names |
| 23:08.22 | Iriel | Maldivia : Well you could always move the model relative to the camera, but I suppose you'd need rotation then also |
| 23:08.23 | ckknight | oh, that thing |
| 23:08.29 | AnduinLothar | kirov, you've got 2 sets int here |
| 23:08.54 | Kirov | er |
| 23:09.02 | Maldivia | Iriel: yeah, that's the problem - the only rotation that's available is around the models own vertical axis |
| 23:09.14 | Iriel | My brother is a Matt also, but that's not very useful to you all i'm sure. |
| 23:09.15 | Kirov | lol! |
| 23:09.27 | Kirov | Anduin - opps, use the ones not in a dir |
| 23:10.17 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 23:10.18 | ckknight | lol, Iriel |
| 23:10.29 | AnduinLothar | what'd you do to them? |
| 23:10.46 | Iriel | ckknight : I didn't think your warning was quite dire enough |
| 23:11.35 | Kirov | Anduin - rebuilt their alphas |
| 23:11.46 | AnduinLothar | using what? |
| 23:11.57 | Kirov | And made sure the background color was the same as the one you wanted on the edges |
| 23:12.08 | Kirov | post texture filtering |
| 23:12.12 | Kirov | photoshop |
| 23:12.22 | AnduinLothar | i'm not sure how to do that |
| 23:12.54 | Kirov | Part of my job here is texture work for real time 3d |
| 23:13.06 | AnduinLothar | those look much better but not perfect |
| 23:13.27 | Kirov | The blp converts might still be messing with things |
| 23:13.34 | Kirov | not perfect in what way? |
| 23:13.50 | AnduinLothar | you can't see the single pixel bevel on the top and right of the inside of the button |
| 23:13.58 | Kirov | They're never going to be truely perfect btw. the BLP format is very lossy |
| 23:14.09 | Kirov | yeah |
| 23:14.27 | Kirov | figured that would happen |
| 23:14.30 | AnduinLothar | and the dark center is a shade too light |
| 23:14.59 | Kirov | single pixel lines in blp = bad |
| 23:15.08 | AnduinLothar | also on the down buttons the bottom of the arrow isn't a solid line, but i think that was a problem in the source i sent |
| 23:15.39 | AnduinLothar | well i can send you the ones i'm trying to match if you think you can clean um up |
| 23:15.49 | AnduinLothar | wow has the left and right arrows built in |
| 23:16.02 | Kirov | er |
| 23:16.13 | Kirov | wait, these are identical to existing art assets, only turned? |
| 23:16.27 | Kirov | :SetTextureCoord() ! |
| 23:16.43 | AnduinLothar | the arrow is turned, but i need the highlight and bevel to stay the same |
| 23:16.56 | Kirov | hmm |
| 23:16.59 | Kirov | fair enough |
| 23:17.09 | Kirov | what's the file name? |
| 23:17.20 | Aalny | son of a bitch.....I just realized I forgot to call in to jury duty last night |
| 23:17.41 | Kirov | Aalny - oo |
| 23:17.42 | kremonte | ouch |
| 23:17.44 | Aalny | and the info I need to do it now is on my desk at home |
| 23:18.35 | AnduinLothar | Interface\Buttons\UI-SpellbookIcon-PrevPage-etc |
| 23:18.42 | AnduinLothar | Interface\Buttons\UI-SpellbookIcon-NextPage-etc |
| 23:18.56 | AnduinLothar | etc being Disabled, UP, Down |
| 23:19.03 | Kirov | right |
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| 23:21.06 | Kirov | You want buttons identical to these, just turned up and down, correct? |
| 23:21.23 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 23:21.27 | Kirov | give me a few |
| 23:21.28 | MentalPower | Iriel: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=353864&p=1&tmp=1#post353864 |
| 23:21.44 | AnduinLothar | with the highlight in the top top and pressed going the same direction |
| 23:21.50 | Shouryuu | yeah he saw :P |
| 23:22.28 | ckknight | Chuck Norris's tears can cure cancer. Iriel made him cry. |
| 23:22.30 | ckknight | awesome. |
| 23:22.54 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:23.47 | Natasem | LOL well most of what they say is true though |
| 23:23.49 | Natasem | lol |
| 23:24.03 | Shouryuu | fluent in binary is nice |
| 23:24.35 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 23:25.33 | Kirov | When Iriel speaks in real life, he sounds like a 96k modem |
| 23:25.41 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 23:25.49 | Aalny | So, should I be happy that one of the upper level managers called a recent project I finished "pure magic" and "state of the art".....when I know he's a complete idiot and even the act of breathing is probably "pure magic" to him. |
| 23:25.49 | Iriel | Hm,is that an insult? |
| 23:25.50 | Shouryuu | you have to put that one |
| 23:26.27 | Aalny | I suppose if nothing else, my boss put the praise in my file so that'll be good around review time. |
| 23:26.36 | Kirov | hmm, preface it with "Iriel is so fluent in binary he can communicate with a 96k modem over his phone. |
| 23:26.45 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 23:28.53 | Kirov | I remember some geek game show spoof similar to "Guess that tune" where people had to identify the baud rate of a modem. |
| 23:29.05 | ckknight | lol |
| 23:29.05 | Shouryuu | hahaha |
| 23:29.06 | kremonte | lmao |
| 23:29.07 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:29.10 | Shouryuu | that's hillarious |
| 23:29.19 | Kirov | "I can name that baud in 0.52 seconds, Alex" |
| 23:29.58 | kremonte | yea, Name That Tune, and Name That Baud |
| 23:34.48 | Iriel | If you have reasonable pitch accuracy in hearing, it's not that hard |
| 23:34.57 | Iriel | Though i imagine you'd have to practice |
| 23:36.13 | Shouryuu | and no lige |
| 23:36.15 | Shouryuu | *life |
| 23:40.38 | Shouryuu | night folks |
| 23:41.01 | AnduinLothar | think i figured out why i was getting the white border |
| 23:41.49 | AnduinLothar | was letting photoshop automask instead of specifying |
| 23:42.07 | AnduinLothar | so it was usign a white bg |
| 23:44.43 | AnduinLothar | need to find out if there's an internal blp2 photoshop plugin |
| 23:44.49 | Kirov | Anduin - there isn't |
| 23:44.52 | Kirov | well |
| 23:45.02 | Kirov | There probably is, but you'd have to get it from Blizzard |
| 23:45.06 | Kirov | ie: you're not getting it |
| 23:45.18 | AnduinLothar | ;) |
| 23:45.29 | AnduinLothar | i'll just ask |
| 23:45.54 | Kirov | hmm, my blizzard friend isn't on icq |
| 23:46.25 | Iriel | Kirov : AnduinLothar works at blizzard at night, QA, he can just ask when he's at work 8-) |
| 23:46.39 | Kirov | heh |
| 23:47.52 | AnduinLothar | any luck with those buttons? |
| 23:48.03 | AnduinLothar | got my lock button border made |
| 23:48.17 | AnduinLothar | ah, i can ss it now |
| 23:48.25 | AnduinLothar | unfinnished tho |
| 23:48.39 | Kirov | Yeah, sorry, got pulled away for a while |
| 23:50.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Norque (n=Mickachu@066.a.001.dub.iprimus.net.au) |
| 23:51.09 | AnduinLothar | gah, wow has crashed 10 times in the past 2 hours.. |
| 23:52.02 | AnduinLothar | http://70.187.188.195:81/games/wow/screenshots/MovePad2.jpg |
| 23:53.13 | AnduinLothar | still need the up and down arrows cleaned up and i need the turn arrows converted to be the same style/border as the arrows just with a yellow turn icon in the mid |
| 23:53.36 | AnduinLothar | then i'll submit it to slouken |
| 23:53.40 | Kirov | heh |
| 23:53.51 | AnduinLothar | oh, was thinking of replacing the feather too |
| 23:54.02 | AnduinLothar | but i'd have to make the graphic from scratch |
| 23:54.19 | AnduinLothar | and the feather's kinda zelda nostalgia too |
| 23:54.34 | Kirov | or Mario Kart |
| 23:54.36 | Kirov | =P |
| 23:55.35 | Kirov | up arrows done |
| 23:55.41 | Kirov | waiting for system to let me save |
| 23:56.09 | AnduinLothar | tho the feather looks slightly out of place, it fits with blizzard's 'funny' stigma |
| 23:56.49 | AnduinLothar | did you make a psd for those kirov? |
| 23:56.50 | ckknight | that's a feather? |
| 23:56.59 | ckknight | I thought it was a chicken leg |
| 23:57.16 | Kirov | hehe |
| 23:57.22 | AnduinLothar | you obviosuly dont play a mage |
| 23:57.30 | ckknight | Priest |
| 23:57.51 | Kirov | icon for levatate |
| 23:59.31 | Kirov | hmm |
| 23:59.41 | AnduinLothar | bah going from blp to png to blp again is crap.. |
