| 00:09.54 | Kirkburn | Genius site! http://www.msnsearchspoof.com/ |
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| 00:13.30 | Kirkburn | Lol, even Google Earth had an April Fools |
| 00:14.56 | Ktron | oh? |
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| 00:29.55 | Kirkburn | If you have it, Ktron, look at Area 51 |
| 00:30.20 | Ktron | I used to have it installed, I don't think I do at the moment |
| 00:30.27 | Ktron | heh, I hope there's a spaceship there |
| 00:30.31 | Osagasu | What's it do, Kirkburn? |
| 00:30.58 | Kirkburn | If I tell you it's no fun :P |
| 00:31.28 | Osagasu | Just so you know, Google Earth always has an Area 51 in its DB |
| 00:32.08 | Kirkburn | ... if you must know http://www.msnsearchspoof.com/ |
| 00:32.10 | Kirkburn | oops |
| 00:32.16 | Kirkburn | http://www.jarnot.com/mt/archives/2006/04/they_come_in_pe.php |
| 00:33.21 | Osagasu | That does rick |
| 00:33.27 | Osagasu | and I found it on my own, TYVM |
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| 01:06.22 | AnduinLothar | so, my old music teacher got his musical published and it's premering in hollywood tonight |
| 01:06.45 | AnduinLothar | took private lessons from him for a year or two |
| 01:07.00 | AnduinLothar | Pilgrim |
| 01:07.48 | AnduinLothar | http://www.pilgrimla.com/ if anyone's interested. Not that you seem to be the theater going crowd, but you never know |
| 01:08.00 | Legorol | are you? ;-) |
| 01:08.05 | AnduinLothar | i am |
| 01:08.16 | Legorol | ah, interesting trivia |
| 01:08.27 | Legorol | you never know what kind of coders you meet these days |
| 01:08.40 | Legorol | if you'd like to know, i actually occasionally visit the Royal Opera House in London |
| 01:08.50 | Legorol | strange, huh? |
| 01:09.31 | AnduinLothar | I've been singing since i was born, played in a few musicals myself, a few plays, played french horn for 7 years, have sung in choir tours all over the US |
| 01:09.43 | Legorol | nice |
| 01:10.16 | AnduinLothar | fairly dissapointed i couldn't fit choir in my schedule this year, prioreties |
| 01:10.33 | Legorol | lol, it seems like you can't even fit sleep in your schedule.. |
| 01:10.36 | Legorol | damn priorities. |
| 01:10.39 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 01:10.59 | AnduinLothar | i'm going to part time school this quarter |
| 01:11.04 | AnduinLothar | just 2 classes for now |
| 01:11.18 | ckknight | my mother used to play Rogers & Hammerstein constantly in the background when I was a kid. I still have those songs stuck in my head. |
| 01:11.21 | AnduinLothar | down from 4 last quarter and 6 before |
| 01:11.26 | Legorol | hm, channel seems awfully quiet for a Saturday night |
| 01:11.36 | Legorol | i wouldn't have thought that this crowd is the Saturday-night-party type :p |
| 01:11.59 | AnduinLothar | well I went out and hung out at a local mall all day... which is generally unusual, esp alone |
| 01:12.12 | Legorol | ok, how many strange bits of trivia can we all come about ourselves that is "unexpected"? |
| 01:12.45 | Legorol | i used to sing for a year in the school choir.. |
| 01:12.59 | Legorol | .. admittedly my motivation wasn't entirely musical, but rather the members |
| 01:13.08 | Legorol | didn't lead to anything :( |
| 01:13.42 | Legorol | nothing as fancy as tours or anything |
| 01:13.53 | Cairenn | Had things been different, I might have been a professional percussionist |
| 01:14.07 | Cairenn | (NOT a "drummer", thank you kindly) |
| 01:14.56 | AnduinLothar | got some shades, picked up a terry brooks book and read for a few hours in the barnes and noble.. picked up some pants at a board shop.. eyed some ladies... wandered aimlessly in the sun... then got in the car and drove nowhere for a hour for the fun of it |
| 01:15.38 | AnduinLothar | blasting house music |
| 01:16.05 | Legorol | sounds like taking the stress out of this week :-) |
| 01:16.16 | AnduinLothar | yup :) was very relaxing |
| 01:16.59 | AnduinLothar | i called up a female to tag along but she wasn't interested |
| 01:17.13 | Tain | That's what hookers are for! |
| 01:17.36 | AnduinLothar | so i just spent money on myself and didn't look to carefully at the pricetags |
| 01:18.07 | AnduinLothar | ah, disposible income |
| 01:18.31 | AnduinLothar | now i can fast for a week |
| 01:18.55 | AnduinLothar | wait wait.. must not have been disposible, oop |
| 01:18.56 | AnduinLothar | s |
| 01:19.54 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: that looks like it'd be really good |
| 01:20.01 | AnduinLothar | it's much easier to not spend money if you don't have any. so i figure if i spend it fast i'll end up being more frugel out of habit in between |
| 01:20.45 | Tem | ~seen iriel |
| 01:20.51 | purl | iriel <n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 14h 41m 56s ago, saying: 'Ditto GetNumRaidMembers() for a raid'. |
| 01:20.57 | AnduinLothar | ya, today was the extent of my spring break, if you don't count updating addons |
| 01:21.11 | Tem | good lord iriel was up late |
| 01:21.16 | AnduinLothar | now, to find someone to eat with |
| 01:21.28 | Kirkburn | I'll just pop over to Paris |
| 01:22.05 | Kirkburn | I'm confused by my own comments now |
| 01:22.10 | Kirkburn | I think I need to sleep |
| 01:22.12 | AnduinLothar | oh that's right, friend's coming down and we're going to a gig, forgot |
| 01:22.26 | Kirkburn | G'night all :) |
| 01:22.34 | AnduinLothar | spose i should eat again... that lunch burito was small |
| 01:22.38 | Tem | later Kirkburn |
| 01:22.39 | AnduinLothar | night kirk |
| 01:22.46 | Kirkburn | :) |
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| 01:37.26 | Tem | USC? |
| 01:37.40 | Tem | like, the usc I hate? |
| 01:37.47 | Legorol | USC? what's that |
| 01:37.47 | Tem | please not the USC I hate |
| 01:38.00 | Tem | check out Aalny's hostname |
| 01:38.19 | Tem | oh sorry Legorol, a US university |
| 01:38.27 | Legorol | Tem, that's just rude! |
| 01:38.33 | Tem | ? |
| 01:38.44 | Legorol | someone joins that we haven't met before, and you start hating their place of origin already... |
| 01:38.49 | Legorol | maybe he/she is just using a proxy? |
| 01:38.56 | Tem | I can only hope, lol |
| 01:39.02 | Tem | but I've met Aalny before. |
| 01:39.03 | Legorol | ~lart Tem |
| 01:39.11 | Legorol | mm, i haven't |
| 01:39.13 | Tem | he/she was here yesterday |
| 01:39.18 | Legorol | nice to meet you, Aalny |
| 01:39.32 | Legorol | actually, i'm going to run through the nicks in this channel |
| 01:39.37 | Legorol | wonder how many i won't recognize |
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| 01:40.13 | Legorol | hm, only like 4 or 5 |
| 01:40.17 | Tem | I see at least 3 that I don't recognize |
| 01:40.25 | Legorol | scary, i was never this acquinted with the residents of a single IRC channel |
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| 01:40.43 | Tem | yeah Leg, it's kinda freaking me out too |
| 01:40.59 | Legorol | home, swee thome |
| 01:41.00 | Tem | I suppose 2 new folks poping in as I say that should make me feel better |
| 01:41.06 | Legorol | lol |
| 01:41.32 | Legorol | i must admit i never felt as much belonging to an IRC channel as i do to this one |
| 01:41.36 | Legorol | and maybe to the Cosmos ones |
| 01:41.51 | Tem | there's more than one? |
| 01:41.58 | Legorol | aaaaaah, scary, i became an IRC-junkie |
| 01:42.09 | Kemayo | IRC is addictive. |
| 01:42.23 | Kemayo | That has to be a blow to the ol' ego... |
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| 01:44.39 | Aalny | heh...most likely the USC you hate, yes |
| 01:45.28 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.51 | Aalny | I'm having the most annoying widget API issue. I'm convinced there's something I'm missing. |
| 01:45.58 | Tem | I'm not a Bruins fan or anything, but it comes close |
| 01:46.24 | Aalny | I've got a little dynamic button I created with a background texture. OnLoad it gets created and everything looks fine. |
| 01:46.46 | Aalny | I've got a couple methods that tweak it's visual appearance (changing size, setting different alpha levels). |
| 01:47.08 | Aalny | Those methods work fine if I call them manually before I do anything else. |
| 01:47.45 | Aalny | But ideally, those methods are going to be called in response to events. |
| 01:48.18 | Aalny | And in testing so far...when the methods get called from the event handler, nothing visually changes with the button....yet dumping the properties indicate they all got set properly. |
| 01:49.03 | Aalny | And to top it all off, the button seems to get into a state where manually calling those methods doesn't work anymore either. |
| 01:49.51 | Aalny | So here's my question....ClearAllPoints should be called if you're going to move an object, right? Is there anything similar that needs to be called if you're just changing appearance? |
| 01:54.51 | Tem | oh I think I know what you are seeing |
| 01:54.57 | Tem | I had a similar issue the other day |
| 01:55.15 | Tem | stuff like the pushed texture won't go away? |
| 01:55.43 | Tem | calling GetButtonState returns "NORMAL" but it clearly looks "PUSHED"? |
| 01:56.56 | Aalny | simple stuff like, changing the width and height from 37,37 to 20,20....and it still looks like 37,37...but GetWidth and GetHeight return ~20,~20 |
| 01:57.40 | Tem | hmm, that is very strange |
| 01:58.22 | Aalny | but that only happens after the changes are called in response to an event.....until that happens, it works just fine. |
| 01:58.39 | Aalny | I really need to throw together a simple repro |
| 01:59.21 | Aalny | In any case, I'm done for now. Later all. |
| 02:38.45 | ckknight | okay, can someone either explain or point me to a page that correctly explains when to use SetOwner to make a tooltip work? |
| 02:42.11 | Legorol | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_GameTooltip |
| 02:42.49 | ckknight | thank you |
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| 02:56.45 | Adrine | Ok. So get this. |
| 02:56.50 | Adrine | I have a simple test addon |
| 02:56.53 | Adrine | Only one that's running. |
| 02:57.08 | Adrine | In it, I have a single frame that subscribes to MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE |
| 02:57.15 | Adrine | The event handler does this: |
| 02:57.29 | Adrine | for i = 1, inbox_item do local name, itemTexture, count, quality, canUse = GetInboxItem(i); end |
| 02:57.36 | Adrine | That causes the client to lock solid. |
| 02:57.41 | Adrine | Any ideas? |
| 02:57.53 | Adrine | (prepend local inbox_items = GetInboxNumItems(); to that) |
| 02:58.11 | Adrine | And it's for i = 1, inbox_items, not item singluar. |
| 02:59.06 | ckknight | possible that GetInboxItem(i) is triggering MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE |
| 02:59.12 | Adrine | That's kinda what I'm thinking |
| 02:59.18 | Adrine | But that's really, really odd. |
| 02:59.28 | ckknight | no rebuttals from here |
| 03:00.40 | Adrine | I would think, though... |
| 03:00.48 | Adrine | ...that the generated event would be handled next frame? |
| 03:00.57 | Adrine | Because this just hardlocks the UI. |
| 03:01.19 | Adrine | Still have sound, but the visuals freeze solid. I've let it run for about 20 minutes on the high end, no end in sight. |
| 03:02.04 | Tain | GetInboxItem does trigger MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE but it shouldn't lock. |
| 03:02.20 | Adrine | Since when? Is this a 1.10 change? |
| 03:02.30 | Adrine | Ohhh. |
| 03:02.35 | Adrine | I see what's going on here. |
| 03:02.36 | ckknight | wrap it in if not dummy then dummy = true; <code>; dummy = false end |
| 03:02.39 | Tain | Going from memory, so I could be wrong. |
| 03:02.52 | Tain | Plus your loop isn't going to work right. |
| 03:03.18 | Tain | Wait let me brush up bfore I say that. |
| 03:03.18 | Adrine | Each call to MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE generates (inbox item count) more MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE events, which grows exponentially. |
| 03:03.25 | Adrine | Well ain't that fun. |
| 03:03.38 | Tain | My first addon was an auto mail attachment collector. |
| 03:03.44 | Tem|AFK | if I had to guess, I'd say no |
| 03:04.00 | Adrine | Uh. So how do I detect when the mailbox changes and scan it without invoking the Exponential Event Loop Of Doom? |
| 03:04.05 | Tem | but I think I ended up using MAIL_INBOX_SHOW or something |
| 03:04.07 | Adrine | This was working flawlessly pre-1.10 |
| 03:04.16 | Adrine | Tem: There's a delay between SHOW and UPDATE |
| 03:04.19 | Tem | Adrine: don't use events? |
| 03:04.26 | Adrine | You show the frame and it's blank |
| 03:04.32 | Tem | could you use MailFrame events? |
| 03:04.35 | Adrine | Then when the mail data gets in from the server, UPDATE is called. |
| 03:04.40 | Tain | Yeah actually mail events are not great. |
| 03:04.43 | Adrine | Tem: Maybe so. I'll check into that. |
| 03:05.01 | Tem | hook InboxNextPage, ect |
| 03:05.29 | Tain | What I did for collecting attachments was to get item, then wait for a player inventory update showing that the item was collected, before tryign to access the next message. |
| 03:06.01 | Tain | Also be careful, you *can* lose attachments if you try to do things too quickly. It's not common but it happens. I can recreate it reliably. |
| 03:06.30 | Adrine | I'm not actually mutating attachments |
| 03:06.34 | Adrine | I'm just reading them |
| 03:06.45 | Adrine | ie, my inbox has changed, let's see what's in there and store a list for later. |
| 03:06.51 | Tem | how are you "reading" them? |
| 03:06.59 | Tem | just scanning a tooltip? |
| 03:07.02 | Adrine | Yeah. |
| 03:07.09 | Adrine | GetInboxItem(i) combined with tooltip scanning |
| 03:07.19 | Tem | wait wait |
| 03:07.24 | Tem | you don't need to call GetInboxItem |
| 03:07.33 | Tem | just call SetInboxItem on the tooltip |
| 03:07.37 | Adrine | Don't need to, no. HM, I can probably factor that out. |
| 03:07.46 | Adrine | Yeah. Was using GetInboxItem, but then I needed the quality |
| 03:07.50 | Adrine | So I resorted to tooltip scanning. |
| 03:07.55 | Adrine | Oh. |
| 03:08.00 | Adrine | But I still need the quantity |
| 03:08.04 | Adrine | Which I can't get via tooltip. |
| 03:08.09 | Tem | lemme check my old code |
| 03:09.00 | Tem | hmm |
| 03:09.08 | Tem | I haven't actually tested this code in 1.10 yet |
| 03:09.15 | Tem | but I call GetInboxItem |
| 03:09.15 | Adrine | Again, this worked flawlessly against pre-1.10 clients |
| 03:09.34 | Tem | in response to MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE |
| 03:09.55 | Adrine | I guess I could hack around it by setting a temp variable before I call GetInboxItem() which causes the event handler to ignore the MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE event. |
| 03:10.06 | Adrine | Unset after GetInboxItem() |
| 03:10.13 | Adrine | Tem, I have a proof-of-concept addon written |
| 03:10.22 | Adrine | Little thing, not big at all, but I'll zip it up if you want |
| 03:10.31 | Tain | That's what I did, Adrine. More or less. |
| 03:12.25 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/Mailboxtest.zip if you want mine. |
| 03:13.10 | Tem | Adrine: my code still works |
| 03:13.15 | Adrine | Huh. |
| 03:13.18 | Tem | no event loop of doom |
| 03:13.25 | Adrine | Take a look at my zip there and see if you see anything odd. |
| 03:14.05 | Adrine | I've had a number of users report this lock on their clients, as well, so I'm pretty sure it's not just me. |
| 03:14.18 | Tem | k |
| 03:14.35 | Adrine | And I'm running this test with no other addons and a fresh WDB/WTF, for whatever that's worth. |
| 03:15.37 | Tem | ug more crap to do around here |
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| 03:30.58 | L|Elviso | Adrine |
| 03:36.23 | L|Elviso | I'll catch up w/ya later, I'm falling asleep....but I'm a big fan of Sanity, and might be able to help you debuf |
| 03:36.27 | L|Elviso | *debug |
| 03:37.28 | Ktron | what levels are the blasted lands, roughly? |
| 03:37.50 | ckknight | Ktron, 45-55 |
| 03:38.24 | Ktron | thanks ckknight |
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| 03:53.04 | Tem|afk | finaly |
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| 04:08.42 | Wobin_ | mouseclicks are considered hardware events, aren't they? |
| 04:08.53 | ckknight | yea |
| 04:09.14 | Tem | they are |
| 04:09.20 | Tem | but it has to be OnClick I'm told |
| 04:09.28 | Tem | ie OnMouseDown and OnMouseUp don't count |
| 04:11.25 | Wobin_ | cool |
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| 04:20.56 | Cairenn | hey hey Iriel |
| 04:21.15 | ckknight | oh, Cairenn, you're here |
| 04:21.22 | Cairenn | at the moment |
| 04:22.00 | ckknight | I'm contemplating renaming BossPanel to something that doesn't have 'Boss' in it, cause it's horribly confusing regarding BossMods and whatnot |
| 04:22.10 | ckknight | what are your thoughts? |
| 04:23.12 | Tem | oh good iriel |
| 04:23.18 | Cairenn | I think it might be an option worth considering, definitely |
| 04:23.37 | Tem | iriel: did someone ever volunteer to fix the BattleFieldMinimap? |
| 04:23.41 | ckknight | yea, and I'd want to do it sooner than later |
| 04:23.45 | iriel | Tem: No |
| 04:23.56 | Tem | do you have any details on it? |
| 04:23.59 | ckknight | my current problem is that I can't think of a good name |
| 04:24.12 | Tem | I'm writing an addon to fix a lot of blizzard things |
| 04:24.26 | iriel | Tem: yes - World map overlays are dybnamic in the world map, but not in the BMM |
| 04:24.41 | iriel | You just need to hook its update method and ensure enough have been allocated (and allocate them if they're not) |
| 04:24.53 | Tem | thanks |
| 04:25.07 | iriel | Look for the 'too many' message and work backwards |
| 04:25.08 | Crispix | Can anyone here take a look at something for me? |
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| 04:27.01 | Tem | hmm... the WorldFrame can't have an OnClick handler |
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| 04:27.46 | Crispix | Tem can you take a look at my reply here? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19582#post19582 |
| 04:27.51 | Tem | that's either extremely good farsight on their part, or a coincidence that works out for them |
| 04:28.31 | ckknight | can't you overlay a transparent button over the whole screen? |
| 04:28.46 | Tem | Crispix: is that an april fool's joke? |
| 04:29.11 | ckknight | yea |
| 04:29.14 | Tem | ckknight: yes, but not without interfering with WorldFrame interaction |
| 04:29.17 | ckknight | cause that's horribly wrong |
| 04:29.36 | Crispix | Tem no.. it's me replying to someone who needs help with a ui |
| 04:29.58 | Tem | I'm lost |
| 04:30.06 | ckknight | Crispix, so you're being a dick about it? |
| 04:30.15 | Crispix | o_O no..... |
| 04:30.18 | Tem | so you are seriously saying blizzard doesn't want DUF or are you being rude? |
| 04:30.22 | Crispix | I'm just seeing if I'm right about info |
| 04:30.29 | Crispix | *About hte info I supplied |
| 04:30.35 | Crispix | Blizz doesn't allow DUF any more |
| 04:30.48 | Tem | how did you come by that conclusion? |
| 04:30.59 | Crispix | They said so ... and it doesn't work .. I tried it -_- |
| 04:31.08 | Codayus | Crispix: Are you on drugs? |
| 04:31.15 | Tem | When did 'they' say anything like that |
| 04:31.18 | Crispix | no.... |
| 04:31.19 | ckknight | Crispix, you need to go to therapy |
| 04:31.24 | ckknight | we're here for you |
| 04:31.25 | Tem | furthermore, who is 'they?' |
| 04:31.26 | Crispix | It didn't work last I tried it -_- |
| 04:31.29 | ckknight | we're not judging you |
| 04:31.35 | ckknight | we just need you to get help |
| 04:31.45 | Codayus | Either you're really high, or your April Fools joke is failing. :-) |
| 04:32.01 | Crispix | *sigh* it's not april fools here any more. |
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| 04:32.33 | Tem | ~logs |
| 04:32.35 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 04:32.35 | Codayus | In any case, A) DUF works perfectly in 1.10, and B) "They" didn't say it wouldn't. |
| 04:32.57 | Codayus | Although maybe YOU'VE fallen for an April Fools joke...that could be... |
| 04:33.53 | ckknight | Crispix, I recommend editting your post about Discord not being allowed anymore |
| 04:35.03 | Cairenn | definitely edit that |
| 04:35.24 | ckknight | otherwise someone will reply and it'll be really awkward |
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| 04:44.42 | Tem | hmm, I'm trying to simulate a click using MousDown and MouseUp events |
| 04:44.51 | Tem | how much of a tolerance should I have? |
| 04:45.08 | Kirov | Where's Legorol's tooltip write ups? |
| 04:45.15 | Tem | the wiki |
| 04:45.30 | Kirov | I can never find stuff on here |
| 04:45.40 | Tem | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_GameTooltip |
| 05:13.40 | ckknight | question: if I do a SetPoint() to attach one frame to a hidden frame, will it work? |
| 05:13.54 | iriel | I dont see why not |
| 05:14.12 | Kirov | hmm |
| 05:14.25 | Kirov | well, the frame isn't shown yet, so it's position might not be evaluated |
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| 05:17.01 | Guillotine | anybody know of a function like TargetNearestFriend() that DOESN'T target you all the time? |
| 05:19.07 | ckknight | TargetNearestFriend(); if UnitIsUnit("player", "target") then TargetNearestFriend() end |
| 05:23.41 | Guillotine | I did that. and it got in an infinite loop. lol |
| 05:24.14 | ckknight | what I just did is not an infinite loop |
| 05:24.37 | ckknight | I don't use a while, I use an if |
| 05:25.30 | Guillotine | ahhh |
| 05:25.31 | Guillotine | right |
| 05:25.38 | Guillotine | when I did that it just targeted me again |
| 05:25.48 | ckknight | then you have no one to target |
| 05:39.42 | Kirov | Weren't we saying yesterday that hiding the owner of a tooltip would break it? |
| 05:40.21 | Kirov | because you can hide the WorldFrame and the tooltips for it still work |
| 05:52.04 | Tem | man wth is up with the ChatFrameEditbox |
| 05:52.07 | Tem | it's so damn greedy |
| 05:52.10 | Tem | won't give up the focus |
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| 05:59.55 | Tem | a;sldfj;alskf! |
| 06:02.20 | iriel | indeed |
| 06:04.55 | Tem | I don't understand |
| 06:05.12 | Tem | I can't find any reason why it would refuse to give up the focus |
| 06:06.14 | iriel | Does it have autoFocus set? |
| 06:06.58 | Tem | no |
| 06:07.11 | Tem | well, the template doesn't |
| 06:08.01 | Tem | hmm |
| 06:08.05 | Tem | I wonder where the actual definition is |
| 06:09.10 | Tem | aha, floating chat frame |
| 06:10.01 | Tem | no, No autoFocus |
| 06:10.56 | Tem | I hooked SetFocus and ClearFocus |
| 06:11.11 | Tem | SetFocus is called when it opens |
| 06:11.19 | Tem | and I can see my calls to ClearFocus |
| 06:11.33 | iriel | Are you passing it through properly? |
| 06:11.43 | Tem | passing it through? |
| 06:11.57 | iriel | Calling the ral one after you print your message |
| 06:12.01 | Tem | oh yeah |
| 06:12.02 | iriel | rEal |
| 06:12.10 | Tem | I just added that to see what was going on |
| 06:12.15 | Tem | I don't actually hook in my addon |
| 06:12.43 | Tem | but the damn thing never loses the focus |
| 06:15.20 | Tem | hmm |
| 06:15.30 | Tem | it's OnEditFocusLost is being called after my ClearFocus |
| 06:22.19 | iriel | so its losing and regaining focus? |
| 06:24.02 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
| 06:24.31 | Tem | iriel: yeah so it seems |
| 06:24.43 | Tem | but I can't figure out how it's gaining the focus |
| 06:26.42 | iriel | You hooked set focus and it's not getting called? |
| 06:29.43 | Tem | right |
| 06:30.25 | Tem | I installed handlers on FocusLost and FocusGained |
| 06:30.44 | Tem | It didn't have one for either before I put one there |
| 06:31.17 | Tem | whenever I call ClearFocus, the FocusLost event fires imediately followed by the FocusGained event |
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| 06:32.24 | Tem | I'm baffled |
| 06:32.24 | iriel | I wonder if it somehow got autofocus set on it |
| 06:32.45 | Tem | it is acting just like an autoFocus editbox |
| 06:32.55 | Tem | and we dont' have an API for that :( |
| 06:39.24 | Tem | It's like as long as the CFEB is visible it will take the focus unless another editbox is holding it |
| 06:43.10 | Tem | alright |
| 06:43.28 | Tem | if I can't make the CFEB behave, I'll replace it |
| 06:43.51 | Tem | ChatFrameEditBox[0] = myEB[0] |
| 06:45.11 | Tem | oh yay. I can even use GetPoint |
| 06:49.06 | Tem | iriel: do you have a valid list of all scripts an editbox can have? |
| 06:49.24 | iriel | Yes |
| 06:49.27 | iriel | It's on the wiki somewhere |
| 06:50.57 | Tem | any idea what it's named? |
| 06:51.11 | Tem | I always have a hard time finding stuff on |
| 06:52.20 | Kirov | I just look at the UI.xsd |
| 06:53.01 | Tem | yeah, but that's a full list |
| 06:53.05 | iriel | i'll pastebin it soon |
| 06:53.14 | Tem | I was hoping to not have to check each script |
| 06:55.27 | iriel | found my copy |
| 06:55.49 | iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/635387 |
| 06:55.55 | iriel | That;'s from 1.9, should be close enough |
| 06:56.46 | Tem | wonderful |
| 06:56.47 | Tem | thanks |
| 06:57.57 | Kirov | OnChar? |
| 07:04.27 | Cairenn | Crispix: you still here? |
| 07:06.52 | Tem | ~seen Crispix |
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| 07:11.37 | Tem | Does anyone know if the ChatFrameEditBoxLanguage button is ever used or if it is leftover from an old feature? |
| 07:12.12 | Tem | In a year, I've never seen it except for just now when I explicitly showed it |
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| 07:20.10 | Tem | this is turning out to be a lot harder than I expected |
| 07:26.03 | zeeg2 | www.nibbits.com |
| 07:26.05 | zeeg2 | comments? |
| 07:26.19 | zeeg | ignore the directory i gotta redo it |
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| 08:06.15 | Kirov | confused |
| 08:13.45 | Kirov | Anyone still here? |
| 08:14.11 | Kirov | And who can help me with string parsing? |
| 08:14.26 | ckknight | I'm pretty familiar with it |
| 08:15.50 | Kirov | I'm trying to parse a string that looks like this "blah blah [stuff" and I want to get "stuff". That's the easy part. I only want that return if there's no space after the "[" and no "]" at the end |
| 08:15.58 | Kirov | And I only want to do it if it's at the end of the string. |
| 08:16.41 | Kirov | ".+%[^(.-^[%]])" is what I have now |
| 08:17.12 | Kirov | but I don't really understand of the ^ so I'm semi-guessing here |
| 08:17.14 | ckknight | string.find(text, "blah blah %[%S.+[^%]]$") |
| 08:17.52 | Kirov | well, I don't want the space |
| 08:17.56 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:17.57 | ckknight | I know |
| 08:18.03 | Kirov | %S is no space? |
| 08:18.04 | ckknight | %S means not space |
| 08:18.06 | Kirov | ah |
| 08:18.09 | ckknight | opposite of %s |
| 08:18.25 | Kirov | other issue is "blah blah" is random. I'm parsing the chat box. |
| 08:18.31 | Kirov | hence the .+ |
| 08:18.43 | ckknight | string.find(text, ".+%[%S.+[^%]]$") |
| 08:18.55 | Kirov | what's $? |
| 08:19.01 | ckknight | end of string |
| 08:19.35 | Kirov | thank you |
| 08:19.47 | ckknight | no problem |
| 08:46.28 | Kirov | hmm |
| 08:46.37 | Kirov | I'm having a problem with "[stuff" not getting seen |
| 08:49.43 | iriel | Put .* instead of .+ at the start |
| 08:50.29 | Kirov | and more peculuar, it only works when "stuff" > 3 charactres |
| 08:50.59 | iriel | Yes, because you set it up as: |
| 08:51.01 | iriel | One non-space |
| 08:51.06 | iriel | Then one or more characters |
| 08:51.20 | iriel | Then a non-close square bracket |
| 08:52.45 | ckknight | change all the .+'s to .* |
| 08:53.53 | Kirov | But that'll then just mean it needs two characters |
| 08:54.00 | ckknight | yep |
| 08:54.24 | Kirov | how do I make that one? |
| 08:54.55 | ckknight | you use and |
| 08:55.49 | ckknight | err, or |
| 08:56.08 | ckknight | string.find(text, ".*%[[^%]%s]$") or string.find(text, ".*%[%S.*[^%]]$") |
| 08:56.24 | iriel | At that point you're probably better off with a slightly more relaxed RE |
| 08:57.01 | iriel | I'd start off with ".*%[(.-)$" |
| 08:57.20 | iriel | then if that matches, do tests on the captured part to make sure it doesn't end with ] and doesn't start with a space |
| 08:57.29 | Miravlix | Is it possible to say kill a referance to a function and that way make it be GC'ed? |
| 08:57.48 | iriel | Miravlix : That's how I believe it will work, yes |
| 08:58.04 | Miravlix | functionname = nil? |
| 08:58.19 | Miravlix | Will result in that code getting GC'ed? |
| 08:58.20 | iriel | Miravlix : Well, technically, you drop all the closure references, and then the prototype is freed also |
| 08:58.34 | iriel | Miravlix : I'll note I've not TESTED that |
| 08:59.42 | iriel | Miravlix : But the source code implies it works that way |
| 08:59.49 | Miravlix | Wish I had a quick way to search through my entire lua code base to make a file that nil's everything |
| 09:00.23 | Miravlix | It would break horrible, but atleast it should drop 50 MB of GC |
| 09:00.31 | iriel | How often do you need to unload everything during play? |
| 09:00.43 | Miravlix | Embeded Libraries |
| 09:00.44 | zeeg | <Alanna> Saying that Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders |
| 09:00.46 | zeeg | OMG TRUE |
| 09:00.59 | iriel | Interesting analogy then |
| 09:01.14 | iriel | Miravlix : Well, with embedded libraries the goal is to drop all the UNUSED references |
| 09:01.15 | ckknight | that is so old, zeeg |
| 09:01.35 | iriel | Miravlix : My embedded library approach achieves that by putting each library instance into a table |
| 09:01.42 | iriel | Miravlix : And discarding the table if it's not needed |
| 09:02.29 | Miravlix | With 30 addons all having there copy of the embeded library + the non embeded library, it becomes really important if it erase the 30 embeded versions |
| 09:03.29 | Miravlix | I might actually consider making a functio to force an early GC. |
| 09:03.40 | ckknight | Miravlix, I wrote one like that |
| 09:03.43 | Miravlix | to clean it up quick so the user can get on with the fun |
| 09:03.46 | ckknight | it's in Bp_performance |
| 09:04.57 | ckknight | http://wow.pastebin.com/635478 |
| 09:05.50 | iriel | ckknight : You can get that one stuck |
| 09:06.13 | iriel | ckknight : You need to add start = current inside the loop to make it safe |
| 09:06.25 | iriel | ckknight : If you want to prove that to yourself, call it twice, back to back |
| 09:06.44 | iriel | After clearing the last forced flag |
| 09:07.19 | iriel | What's the point of that flag anyway? |
| 09:07.35 | ckknight | so users don't be stupid and force it over and over |
| 09:07.43 | iriel | Why should you stop them? |
| 09:07.58 | iriel | I could see repeated calling as useful in an number of benchmarks |
| 09:08.13 | ckknight | I think maybe it did break before... |
| 09:08.14 | iriel | Anyway, it's still broken without the start = current assignment |
| 09:08.20 | ckknight | you're right, actually |
| 09:08.32 | ckknight | hang on, lemme draw up a new function |
| 09:08.45 | iriel | If you remove the flag, and add that one line, it should be happy |
| 09:09.19 | iriel | garbage should be local, also |
| 09:09.34 | ckknight | yea, my bad |
| 09:10.08 | ckknight | http://wow.pastebin.com/635486 |
| 09:10.32 | ckknight | that'd fix it up right |
| 09:11.24 | ckknight | wouldn't it also work if I did _ = {}? |
| 09:12.07 | ckknight | I've always wondered, is _ a special value that never gets set or what's the deal with that? |
| 09:13.22 | iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/635489 |
| 09:13.33 | iriel | No, _ is just a normal variable name |
| 09:13.40 | iriel | Convention says it's used as a 'discard' |
| 09:14.02 | ckknight | hrm |
| 09:14.04 | ckknight | ok |
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| 09:15.55 | ckknight | okay, I'm using your method iriel |
| 09:16.20 | iriel | By the way, dont feel you need to use the super-small version of the function if you prefer yours, I just felt like the challenge of making it as small as possible |
| 09:16.33 | ckknight | lol |
| 09:16.48 | ckknight | whatever, as long as it works in a relatively efficient manner |
| 09:17.19 | iriel | Heh /script local s,c=gcinfo()c=s while c>=s do s,c=c,{}c=gcinfo()end |
| 09:17.27 | iriel | One line gc flush macro |
| 09:21.41 | iriel | Shorter: /script local c,s=gcinfo()repeat s,c=c,{}c=gcinfo()until c<s |
| 09:22.27 | iriel | Even shorter: /script local c,s=0repeat s,c=c,{}c=gcinfo()until c<s |
| 09:23.00 | iriel | Which means I can make a better function for you |
| 09:23.33 | ckknight | hrm |
| 09:24.06 | iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/635499 |
| 09:27.02 | ckknight | shorter: /script local c,s;repeat s,c=c,{}c=gcinfo()until c<s |
| 09:27.04 | iriel | Cute, I can fit that function (less the /script) in the subject of a forum thread |
| 09:27.19 | iriel | stdin:1: attempt to compare number with nil |
| 09:27.25 | iriel | Sorry, not today 8-) |
| 09:27.33 | iriel | the 0 is important |
| 09:27.37 | ckknight | hrm |
| 09:27.47 | ckknight | isn't repeat until a do-while? |
| 09:28.04 | ckknight | oh, you're right |
| 09:28.05 | iriel | hm? |
| 09:28.06 | ckknight | my bad |
| 09:28.13 | ckknight | cool stuff, though |
| 09:29.25 | iriel | We'll see if anyone on the forum can shorten it |
| 09:30.08 | iriel | I tested it standalone lua, it works, though it's really rather nasty |
| 09:30.17 | iriel | in terms of the hiccup it produces |
| 09:31.55 | iriel | I'll write you a nicer one |
| 09:32.20 | ckknight | what do you mean, nicer? |
| 09:32.36 | iriel | One that produces fewer garbage objects |
| 09:32.44 | ckknight | okay |
| 09:32.45 | iriel | so doesn't require the collector to do as much work when it does run |
| 09:35.40 | ckknight | ooh |
| 09:35.42 | ckknight | got a shorter one |
| 09:35.49 | ckknight | local c,s=0repeat s,c=c,gcinfo(),{}until c<s |
| 09:36.03 | ckknight | 1 char shorter |
| 09:36.12 | iriel | Nice |
| 09:36.25 | iriel | post it on the forum in this thread http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=351899&p=1&tmp=1#post351899 |
| 09:39.49 | ckknight | okay |
| 09:39.54 | ckknight | I couldn't post with my main... |
| 09:44.13 | Miravlix | Hmm, interesting ReloadUI() makes the UI use more memory |
| 09:44.31 | iriel | Until a GC run? |
| 09:44.41 | iriel | Or even after GC has done its thing? |
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| 09:58.26 | Shouryuu|TiePro | rrawr |
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| 09:59.41 | Shouryuu|TiePro | how is everyone this morning? |
| 10:00.09 | [MoonWolf] | very well |
| 10:01.38 | ckknight | well |
| 10:01.50 | ckknight | I keep making changes to BossPanel |
| 10:01.51 | ckknight | *sigh* |
| 10:01.56 | ckknight | it'll never come out of beta... |
| 10:02.08 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
| 10:03.11 | ckknight | in lighter news, I added some cool new features to BossPanel |
| 10:03.16 | ckknight | :-P |
| 10:04.27 | iriel | Ok.. |
| 10:04.29 | iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=351905 |
| 10:04.38 | iriel | There's a "nice" implementation of a GC force |
| 10:05.31 | [MoonWolf] | wow |
| 10:05.31 | [MoonWolf] | nice |
| 10:06.06 | [MoonWolf] | as far as forced gc's can be nice. |
| 10:10.00 | iriel | sMax really needs to be bigger for wow, I just posted something to that effect |
| 10:11.46 | iriel | With resting memory use around 40MB, the numbers are: Table only: 1,288,291 objects; 16KB: 18,694 objects; 160KB: 251 objects |
| 10:12.23 | iriel | And now, sleep. |
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| 10:29.01 | iriel | By the way, lua's collector doesn't guarantee it gets EVERY unreferenced object in one pass |
| 10:29.10 | iriel | so you might have to run the GC force more than once |
| 10:29.51 | iriel | Anywa, sleeping for real |
| 10:39.45 | Miravlix | Aah, this is a work of our if it works. An addon that unloads all code not needed at runtime. |
| 10:39.58 | Miravlix | s/of our/of art/ |
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| 10:53.34 | Shouryuu|TiePro | so kremonte, how's that go game going? |
| 11:07.43 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I have just found out a very effective way to get dead drunk and not feel to bad the next day |
| 11:08.06 | Wobin_ | does it involve alcohol? |
| 11:08.08 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Take a shot of Olive Oil before teh drinking starts |
| 11:08.14 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol nay |
| 11:08.23 | Wobin_ | Greases the way to bring it all back up? |
| 11:08.31 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
| 11:08.40 | Wobin_ | What does it do? |
| 11:08.46 | Shouryuu|TiePro | no really, works very well |
| 11:09.15 | Wobin_ | But what does it do? |
| 11:09.24 | Wobin_ | The hangover is due to dehydration over sleeping |
| 11:09.35 | Wobin_ | how does a shot of oil help? |
| 11:09.39 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Wow |
| 11:09.42 | Shouryuu|TiePro | you've taught me something |
| 11:09.59 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Then it's not the oil |
| 11:10.24 | Shouryuu|TiePro | But I feel fine today, and can't remember anything about yesterday |
| 11:10.30 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 11:10.51 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I know the oil allows you to drink more than you should be able to |
| 11:10.55 | Wobin_ | Either it was a really boring night, or a really goo night =P |
| 11:11.01 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
| 11:11.27 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I might even muster the strenght to do my philosophy paper :p |
| 11:15.27 | [MoonWolf] | i prefer the prevent dehydration using lots o water method. |
| 11:23.48 | Shouryuu|TiePro | the lots of water is kinds hard when you're having trouble walking |
| 11:30.57 | [MoonWolf] | eeuh |
| 11:30.57 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
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| 11:42.18 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 11:43.00 | [MoonWolf] | I hate you, your not a proper font, DIE! <nothing personal> |
| 11:48.26 | ComicSansMS | yeah, baby. i'm a lazarus-font :D |
| 11:49.12 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hahaha |
| 11:49.14 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 11:49.43 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I actually have my trillian configured in ComicSansMS |
| 11:53.30 | Miravlix | Interface is larger then 6mb (should never be over 6mb) and you uploaded it in multiple parts. |
| 11:53.42 | Miravlix | Well, my basic interface compressed is 10 MB. :> |
| 11:55.23 | Miravlix | Hmm, seems a lot of the addons working on my system, is still reported as being broken by people and he author hasn't released new version. |
| 11:55.47 | Miravlix | But I'm really not in the mood to upload 30-50 fixed addons. |
| 11:56.43 | AnduinLothar | Cosmos Re-released for lot more 1.10 bug fixes: http://www.cosmosui.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=46952 |
| 11:57.27 | AnduinLothar | and with that, I sleep |
| 11:57.54 | wereHamster | is it true that sometimes in the future (~1.12) addons won't be able to read the combat log and use/parse item links? |
| 11:58.19 | Shouryuu|TiePro | no |
| 11:58.22 | wereHamster | http://wowforum.gamona.de/showthread.php?threadid=80189 |
| 11:58.29 | Miravlix | Always get blue quotes before even bothering to speculate about stuff like that |
| 11:58.29 | wereHamster | for those who can read gernam |
| 11:59.18 | Miravlix | The community is like old wifes they love to gossip and make up stories. |
| 11:59.28 | Shouryuu|TiePro | wereHamster they have no reason to, and diong that would break about every mod there is |
| 11:59.28 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 12:00.02 | Shouryuu|TiePro | They disable things because they either: 1) Access things they shouldn't be 2) Go against the "spirit" of the game |
| 12:00.09 | Shouryuu|TiePro | it isn't 1 |
| 12:00.14 | [MoonWolf] | In patch 1.12 rogues get and undectable stealth that does not brake when they do damage. |
| 12:00.21 | Miravlix | They might disable hostile combat chat |
| 12:00.21 | Shouryuu|TiePro | and if it were 2, they'd just removed the combat log from the game |
| 12:00.28 | Miravlix | So you can't see what others do |
| 12:00.33 | Miravlix | Only when they do it to you |
| 12:00.40 | Shouryuu|TiePro | As in? |
| 12:01.02 | Miravlix | Mage Cast Sheep on someone else, you don't get a combat message about it |
| 12:01.14 | Miravlix | Mage Cast Sheep on you, you get a combat message about it |
| 12:01.42 | Shouryuu|TiePro | dunno |
| 12:01.45 | Miravlix | We have been bitching about auto purgers for a while, so maybe they will do that some day |
| 12:01.50 | Shouryuu|TiePro | strongly doubt it though |
| 12:02.18 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hasn't the auto purgers been delt with the movement function hooks? |
| 12:02.23 | Miravlix | No |
| 12:02.35 | Miravlix | You just build purge into every hotkey |
| 12:02.52 | Miravlix | So it checks if it's time to purge or it does the action bars configured thing |
| 12:03.19 | Miravlix | ala /script AutoPurge();CastSpellByName("Frost Shock") |
| 12:03.43 | Shouryuu|TiePro | ah |
| 12:04.08 | Miravlix | or a more sane version to avoid error. /script if not AutoPurge() then CastSpellByName() end |
| 12:06.01 | Miravlix | Also purge doesn't cast anymore if there is nothing to do |
| 12:06.12 | Miravlix | Another autopurger improvment |
| 12:07.23 | Miravlix | In the future we will all have 15-30 macros on our action bars |
| 12:07.30 | Miravlix | That all works together |
| 12:07.46 | Miravlix | Through a script to give us improvements |
| 12:09.13 | Miravlix | A priest script will do StopSpellCasting() on all keys to do Mana conservation |
| 12:09.54 | Miravlix | So we will all be mindleslly hitting keys and the script will take care of things when it's time |
| 12:11.28 | Miravlix | And it doesn't really have to be just 15 macros you can make an addon that loads 30 macros unique to each char. |
| 12:11.29 | wereHamster | Miravlix, isn't there already such a modified mana conserve addon? |
| 12:12.01 | Miravlix | Dunno, I wrote a simple macro to spam a heal spell or abort if target is at over 80% health |
| 12:13.32 | Miravlix | You just keep hitting the key as fast as possible, perhaps mouse clicking to change target from time to time and it handles the rest. |
| 12:14.50 | Miravlix | But I'm sure someone can write an addon with a macro callable function that does it way better |
| 12:24.06 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Miravlix Honnestly, for my sanity, and the enjoiment of the game, I'll never use such an addon |
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| 12:34.34 | Miravlix | Sorry, this feature is for interface authors only. You do not have any files in our database. If you have just uploaded an interface it may take up to 24hrs for our system to flag your account for author status. If you are an interface author and after 24hrs still can not enable your portal please contact an admin for help. |
| 12:34.50 | Miravlix | Wowi, hates me. :p |
| 12:35.57 | Miravlix | Shouryuu|TiePro, *shrugs* I think it's cool, it's an added arms race in the game |
| 12:36.07 | Miravlix | and it equals out the playingfield |
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| 12:36.43 | Miravlix | you don't have to be a god on a keyboard, you can just get some addons to somewhat make up for your lack of hand to keyboard coordination skills |
| 12:37.21 | Miravlix | Just like you can get better equipment to get an edge, you can get addons. |
| 12:38.24 | Miravlix | But addons does not play the game for you, so you will never beat a player thats better than you in pushing keys. |
| 12:39.44 | Miravlix | hehe, what next people will refuse Legendary items because they give you an advantage. o.O |
| 12:47.10 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
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| 13:56.24 | oxman_ | is there an admin of wowace ? |
| 13:59.41 | Tain | Yes, yes there is. |
| 14:00.56 | oxman_ | who ? you ? |
| 14:01.04 | Tain | No, Kaelten. |
| 14:01.26 | oxman_ | Kaelten isn't online |
| 14:01.29 | Kirkburn | I see no Kaelten here, Tain :P |
| 14:01.53 | Kirkburn | ~seen Kaelten |
| 14:01.55 | purl | kaelten <n=Kaelten@68.63.3.183> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 3d 7h 42m 9s ago, saying: 'nope loup'. |
| 14:02.14 | Tain | He didn't ask if there was one here. |
| 14:02.22 | oxman_ | tss |
| 14:02.53 | Tain | What's the question/problem you have? Or you can email Kaelten and he'll get it when he can. |
| 14:03.11 | oxman_ | my problem is about subscription forum |
| 14:03.26 | oxman_ | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?action=activate;u=799;code= |
| 14:03.27 | oxman_ | Your activation code is: |
| 14:03.38 | oxman_ | difficult to activate my count without the activation code ;) |
| 14:03.43 | oxman_ | the send mail is buggy |
| 14:03.50 | oxman_ | count / account |
| 14:04.30 | Tain | I see, it would be best if you could email that information to Kaelten, he's the only admin I think. |
| 14:08.36 | Kirkburn | Yay, Italy has finally discovered sunshine and warmth again :) *goes to open windows* |
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| 14:09.19 | yammygirlcoding | MentalPower!! You here! :D |
| 14:09.27 | oxman_ | ? |
| 14:09.41 | yammygirlcoding | i know him from norganna's irc ^^ |
| 14:10.14 | yammygirlcoding | morning all! |
| 14:10.21 | oxman_ | afternoon |
| 14:10.22 | Tain | Good morning |
| 14:10.59 | yammygirlcoding | guys. I want to start with addons coding. What is the first step you advice? |
| 14:11.11 | oxman_ | read wowwiki.com |
| 14:11.20 | Kirkburn | Pester everyone here for code :P |
| 14:11.21 | oxman_ | read the code of a little addon |
| 14:11.23 | Tain | My advice would be to quit now before you start. :) |
| 14:11.25 | yammygirlcoding | any helo world i can try? |
| 14:12.06 | yammygirlcoding | hehe |
| 14:12.06 | oxman_ | read a little addon |
| 14:12.06 | oxman_ | it's the best way |
| 14:12.06 | yammygirlcoding | show me a litle addon :) |
| 14:12.06 | oxman_ | Telo's Selfcast |
| 14:12.21 | yammygirlcoding | lets see |
| 14:12.38 | Kirkburn | Coding is fun! :) |
| 14:12.51 | Kirkburn | ... until someone tells you it's broken *sigh* |
| 14:13.37 | Kirkburn | yammygirlcoding, this should also help you http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=343760&p=1&tmp=1#post343760 |
| 14:13.53 | Kirkburn | It comes with a little tutorial too |
| 14:14.34 | yammygirlcoding | hmm i'll see :) |
| 14:15.19 | Kirkburn | On the interface section of the wowwiki there's a collection of tutorials there too. Something I should read too! |
| 14:16.22 | Tain | Everyone who develops addons should read this as well, although too many people have not. |
| 14:16.23 | Tain | http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 14:16.45 | Kirkburn | Because it's scary and makes them want to cry themselves to sleep. |
| 14:17.50 | Kirkburn | So, what LUA does WoW use? |
| 14:17.56 | oxman_ | lua |
| 14:17.56 | oxman_ | :p |
| 14:18.21 | Kirkburn | Bah, humbug, what version? Or a modified version? |
| 14:18.28 | Tain | v5.0 |
| 14:18.46 | Tain | With some of the functions not implemented, like file.io |
| 14:19.21 | Tain | I don't know if there's a real list of what's not implemented in WoW, but almost everything is. |
| 14:19.48 | Kirkburn | The more they give out, the easier it becomes to code bad addons |
| 14:21.22 | yammygirlcoding | hmmm first issue.. how can i see the blp files? :) |
| 14:23.05 | Tain | You have to convert blp files to tga or png or another format. |
| 14:23.15 | yammygirlcoding | any program you guys use? |
| 14:23.27 | yammygirlcoding | no blp direct viewer? |
| 14:23.29 | Tain | There are utilities to do that, I don't have a link though. I don't work with graphics much anymore. |
| 14:23.36 | Tain | No direct viewer that I know of. |
| 14:23.59 | yammygirlcoding | no blp editor then? |
| 14:24.12 | Tain | No |
| 14:24.30 | Tain | People convert blp to tga, edit the tga, and then convert back to blp. |
| 14:24.31 | yammygirlcoding | its some kind or blizz proprietary extension ? |
| 14:26.18 | Tain | I don't know, I have never seen it before Warcraft so I assume it is Blizzard's |
| 14:27.57 | Kirkburn | There are some converters on curse gaming |
| 14:28.33 | Kirkburn | Wow blp viewer, and wow image are two I know od |
| 14:28.35 | Kirkburn | *of |
| 14:31.58 | yammygirlcoding | I found a W3M Map Utilities. but i can't find a working link to get it. anyone have it ? |
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| 14:33.15 | Kirkburn | I'll get u a curse gaming one, 2 secs |
| 14:34.17 | Kirkburn | This appears to be the most popular http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=657 |
| 14:34.48 | Kirkburn | if that doesn't actually convert, there's this http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1977 :) |
| 14:36.21 | Kirkburn | ... or this http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=180 |
| 14:36.41 | yammygirlcoding | its a viewer. this one i linked was a viewer, converter, and many litle things :) |
| 14:36.46 | yammygirlcoding | nobody has got it? |
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| 14:43.16 | Kirkburn | Google is your friend. I just don't trust versions that aren't made for WoW, as you may find incompatabilities |
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| 14:47.52 | yammygirlcoding | hmm i'm realizing there's is a long long way to go.... Well, I download the bliz heloworld, will read it... The first step is done! :) Now my lock waits for me for another level ;) |
| 14:52.44 | yammygirlcoding | thanks for the help :) |
| 14:53.18 | Cide | good luck |
| 14:54.20 | yammygirlcoding | =^^= |
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| 15:08.20 | Kirkburn | What's the item text frame? |
| 15:08.52 | Kirkburn | ItemTextFrame.xml, lua |
| 15:18.18 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Gits SAC 2ndGIG is vely vely vely good |
| 15:20.18 | Kirkburn | Look! I can speak gibberish too! Wibble wibble wibble. |
| 15:20.31 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 15:20.36 | Miravlix | ... |
| 15:20.43 | Kirkburn | You were saying Mr. Tie Pro? |
| 15:20.49 | Wobin_ | how dare you insult my mother, Kirk! |
| 15:21.13 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 15:21.20 | Miravlix | Back to school for Wobin |
| 15:21.25 | Kirkburn | Er, so what did that mean Shouryuu? |
| 15:21.49 | Miravlix | He can't even tell the diifference between past tense and future tense |
| 15:21.53 | Shouryuu|TiePro | ghost in the shell |
| 15:22.04 | Shouryuu|TiePro | second season |
| 15:22.11 | Shouryuu|TiePro | is a vely vely good series |
| 15:22.11 | Tain | Hey Shouryuu, have you seen Samauri 7? |
| 15:22.31 | Shouryuu|TiePro | nay |
| 15:23.23 | Tain | I like it, based on Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samurai which is one of my favorite movies as well. |
| 15:23.42 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I'll try and get it |
| 15:23.52 | L|Elviso | Six String Samurai IMO :) |
| 15:24.11 | Tain | haha Six String Samurai is awesome. |
| 15:24.25 | Tain | I freakin' love that movie. |
| 15:24.26 | L|Elviso | wow, someone's heard of it |
| 15:24.37 | Tain | Oh hell yeah. |
| 15:25.05 | Tain | In fact I have to get a new copy, I let someone borrow mine and never got it back. |
| 15:25.57 | L|Elviso | same here :\ |
| 15:26.06 | L|Elviso | I had to order it off the net too |
| 15:26.12 | L|Elviso | not one you can just find anywhere |
| 15:26.15 | Tain | Yep. |
| 15:26.48 | Wobin_ | Welll |
| 15:26.54 | Wobin_ | My first LBRS run |
| 15:27.26 | Wobin_ | er UBRS |
| 15:28.09 | Wobin_ | unfortunately we wiped on Drakk |
| 15:28.16 | Tain | Why does everyone ignore MBRS. It gets no love. |
| 15:28.46 | Wobin_ | It's not got the interior decorating pizazz as the other two |
| 15:29.13 | Tain | Damn it was that Trading Spaces BRS episode, wasn't it? |
| 15:29.42 | Wobin_ | They screwed up badly |
| 15:31.20 | Shouryuu|TiePro | MBRS? |
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| 15:40.03 | Cide | hmm, does anyone remember the valid blending modes? |
| 15:40.12 | Cide | I just remember "ADD" and "BLEND", heh |
| 15:40.23 | L|Elviso | MBRS, lol |
| 15:42.28 | Wobin_ | The one between Upper and Lower, Shouryuu|TiePro |
| 15:49.30 | Cide | hmm, I found the blend modes but it still doesn't work |
| 15:50.24 | Kirkburn | "WHISK", "BEAT", "MIXINGBOWL" |
| 15:50.54 | Cide | DISABLE, BLEND, ALPHAKEY, ADD, MOD |
| 15:51.07 | Kirkburn | I liked mine better :( |
| 15:51.23 | Cide | I need to figure out why I can't change vertex color of this texture... |
| 15:51.24 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 15:52.06 | Maldivia | what color is the texture? |
| 15:52.43 | Cide | haha, I'm stupid |
| 15:52.44 | Cide | thanks Maldivia |
| 15:53.07 | Maldivia | hehe, np :) |
| 15:53.52 | Cide | there is a quite cool effect when having full-screen glow on and resized worldframe |
| 15:54.19 | [MoonWolf] | i bet |
| 15:54.30 | Shouryuu|TiePro | you don't *need* to have an XML file for an add on to work right? |
| 15:54.32 | Kirkburn | Bleeding? |
| 15:54.36 | kremonte | no Shouryuu|TiePro |
| 15:54.37 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
| 15:54.57 | kremonte | how does this look so far? |
| 15:54.57 | kremonte | http://dan-rouse.com/osg4.jpg |
| 15:54.58 | Shouryuu|TiePro | even if I want to work with events? |
| 15:55.08 | Cide | Kirkburn: yes |
| 15:55.08 | Kirkburn | Nope |
| 15:55.12 | kremonte | you can use dynamic frames :P |
| 15:55.29 | Shouryuu|TiePro | no or yes? |
| 15:55.36 | Kirkburn | Cide, I saw a report of that on the forums, but you'd gone so I couldn't tell you :( |
| 15:55.40 | kremonte | yes with dynamic frames |
| 15:55.43 | kremonte | no without dynamic frames |
| 15:55.44 | Maldivia | Cide: you mean the "static" glow texture? |
| 15:55.57 | Shouryuu|TiePro | ok so I'll have an XML file |
| 15:56.00 | Cide | no, it's quite... beautiful :P |
| 15:56.36 | Maldivia | hmm ,ok |
| 15:56.38 | Cide | looks nice with my chat window being outside of the worldframe.. no, really! |
| 15:56.40 | Kirkburn | kremonte, looks cool |
| 15:57.24 | Shouryuu|TiePro | yeah |
| 15:57.38 | Kirkburn | yarrr |
| 15:57.43 | kremonte | fanks you :O |
| 15:58.50 | Maldivia | hmm... I need to clean up in my web dir... |
| 15:58.57 | Maldivia | was trying to find a screenshot.. failed :) |
| 15:58.58 | kremonte | ok |
| 15:59.00 | kremonte | kill me now |
| 15:59.09 | kremonte | this is what i need right now: |
| 15:59.09 | kremonte | 39 Arcanite Bar, 35 Enchanted Thorium Bar, 80 Thorium Bar, 50 Blue Sapphire, 2 Flask of the Titans, |
| 15:59.09 | kremonte | 40 Wicked Claw, 4 Azerothian Diamond, 4 Large Opal, 12 Greater Eternal Essence, 4 Large Brilliant Shard, |
| 15:59.09 | kremonte | 4 Essence of Air, 4 Essence of Fire, 4 Essence of Water, 34 Essence of Earth |
| 15:59.22 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol what for? |
| 15:59.33 | Kirkburn | uberness |
| 15:59.40 | Shouryuu|TiePro | which means? |
| 15:59.40 | kremonte | Lionheart Helm, Stronghold Gauntlets, Titanic Leggings, and Spell Power on my Staff of the Qiraji Prophets |
| 15:59.54 | [MoonWolf] | wow |
| 15:59.56 | Shouryuu|TiePro | aye |
| 15:59.58 | [MoonWolf] | tahts a lot of gold |
| 16:00.08 | kremonte | [MoonWolf]: more than 3000 |
| 16:00.09 | [MoonWolf] | or a lot of time |
| 16:00.38 | [MoonWolf] | all the bars and assences alone amount to more then 3000 on my server. |
| 16:00.51 | kremonte | altogether |
| 16:00.53 | kremonte | it's 3800ish |
| 16:01.02 | kremonte | Arcanite 28G each |
| 16:01.09 | kremonte | Essence of Earth 14G each |
| 16:01.11 | Shouryuu|TiePro | how do I search one string for multiple patterns? |
| 16:01.24 | kremonte | multiple times? :P |
| 16:01.32 | Wobin_ | http://macgyver-tn.ytmnd.com/ |
| 16:01.33 | [MoonWolf] | the logic it burn my eyes. |
| 16:01.45 | Shouryuu|TiePro | is there no cleaner way? |
| 16:01.48 | kremonte | Wobin_: omg old |
| 16:01.49 | kremonte | wft |
| 16:02.05 | kremonte | http://dan-rouse.com/sofar.jpg |
| 16:02.06 | kremonte | lololo |
| 16:07.30 | Shouryuu|TiePro | how do I do something each time I target a unit |
| 16:07.40 | kremonte | where is a good plce to farm essesnce of earth? |
| 16:08.13 | Shouryuu|TiePro | PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED it is then :P |
| 16:09.47 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Greater Obsidian Elemental In burning steps or Desert Rumbler in silithius according to thot |
| 16:10.01 | kremonte | going to try the pwnage of the silithusthsuthsuthsuthsuths |
| 16:10.06 | kremonte | air and earth next to each other |
| 16:10.08 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 16:10.18 | kremonte | also |
| 16:10.21 | kremonte | i'm pissing off my guild |
| 16:10.25 | kremonte | i got temp gkicked :( |
| 16:10.28 | Shouryuu|TiePro | why? |
| 16:10.37 | kremonte | for linking things |
| 16:10.37 | kremonte | like |
| 16:10.38 | kremonte | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("\124cffff8000\124Hitem:19019:0:0:0\124h[Lame-tonnerre, épée bénie de Cherchevent]\124h\124r") |
| 16:11.05 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Cherchevent? |
| 16:11.13 | kremonte | windseeker in en' |
| 16:11.18 | kremonte | i dunno what it translates to |
| 16:11.23 | Shouryuu|TiePro | me neither lol |
| 16:11.33 | Shouryuu|TiePro | don't understand tha word |
| 16:11.47 | kremonte | compound words ftw, yay german |
| 16:11.48 | Wobin_ | ~x fr en Lame-tonnerre, épée bénie de Cherchevent |
| 16:11.55 | kremonte | Schwarzer Qirajiresonanzkristall |
| 16:12.10 | Shouryuu|TiePro | mornin' |
| 16:12.21 | Cairenn | hey |
| 16:12.22 | kremonte | morning cair |
| 16:12.31 | kremonte | yeah Shouryuu|TiePro, french pattern formats are wierd |
| 16:12.33 | kremonte | Formule : Enchantement d'arme (Puissance de sort) |
| 16:12.39 | kremonte | Formula: Enchant Weapon - Spell Power |
| 16:12.43 | kremonte | o_O? |
| 16:12.54 | Wobin_ | What's wrong with that? |
| 16:12.55 | Shouryuu|TiePro | no that makes sens |
| 16:13.04 | kremonte | it's so different! |
| 16:13.05 | kremonte | i fear change |
| 16:13.09 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 16:13.20 | kremonte | i like linking foreign longnames |
| 16:13.22 | kremonte | Varech enchanté des Mers du sud parfait |
| 16:13.37 | kremonte | Pristine Enchanted South Seas Kelp |
| 16:13.41 | Shouryuu|TiePro | yeah I'm guessing Puissance de sort could be translate back to Power of spell |
| 16:13.53 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Parfait is not such a good translation of pristine |
| 16:14.02 | kremonte | it's okay |
| 16:14.07 | Shouryuu|TiePro | yeah but it |
| 16:14.09 | kremonte | perfect <> really really pwnage |
| 16:14.14 | Shouryuu|TiePro | s's not that good |
| 16:14.25 | kremonte | what would be a better translation? |
| 16:14.30 | kremonte | i need to learn words |
| 16:14.34 | kremonte | my french is really bad :( |
| 16:15.15 | Shouryuu|TiePro | parfait is just colloquial in french, pristine isn't |
| 16:15.23 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I have no idea for a better translation |
| 16:15.45 | kremonte | i don't even know what colloquial means |
| 16:15.51 | kremonte | you win by default |
| 16:15.53 | Shouryuu|TiePro | familiar? |
| 16:15.54 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 16:15.59 | Shouryuu|TiePro | used in oral language |
| 16:16.18 | kremonte | ~x en kremontese colloquial |
| 16:16.25 | kremonte | rofl? |
| 16:16.28 | Codayus | .... |
| 16:16.36 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 16:16.39 | Codayus | 구ìV´ì²´ eh? |
| 16:16.45 | kremonte | probably took it as kr |
| 16:16.47 | Codayus | Okay, if that's what the word is, that's what it is! |
| 16:16.48 | kremonte | korean |
| 16:16.51 | Codayus | heh |
| 16:17.31 | Codayus | Anyhow - something that's informal. A phrase normally spoken, not written. A bit like slang. |
| 16:17.39 | kremonte | sometimes i hate being a destruction lock |
| 16:17.51 | Shouryuu|TiePro | if I do Table = {} and do getn(Table) after that, what will be getn's return value? |
| 16:17.53 | kremonte | 35% of my mana to kill a mob, in less than 10 seconds tho |
| 16:18.06 | Shouryuu|TiePro | nil or 0? |
| 16:18.58 | kremonte | 0 |
| 16:19.01 | kremonte | just tried it :P |
| 16:19.04 | kremonte | ./script local a={} DevTools_Dump(table.getn(a)) |
| 16:19.35 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Does anything bad happen if I do for i=1,0 do ? |
| 16:19.45 | kremonte | i am not trying that |
| 16:19.46 | kremonte | ._. |
| 16:19.50 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 16:19.57 | ComicSansMS | table.getn() should always work, as long as you don't overwrite ["n"] manually |
| 16:19.57 | Kirkburn | Btw, just updated ClearFont |
| 16:20.53 | Kirkburn | Except not at CG, because it still hates me |
| 16:20.56 | kremonte | man i'm glad i took this staff |
| 16:20.59 | kremonte | it procs soo much |
| 16:21.03 | kremonte | it looks like i keep gaining AP :> |
| 16:21.04 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 16:22.29 | kremonte | i should use cf |
| 16:22.30 | kremonte | ._. |
| 16:22.44 | kremonte | too lazy to click 4 times tho |
| 16:23.08 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
| 16:23.13 | kremonte | Kirkburn: is it on WoWI atm? |
| 16:23.36 | kremonte | i suppose so |
| 16:23.36 | Kirkburn | Yep |
| 16:23.39 | kremonte | 4-2-06 11:14am |
| 16:23.59 | Kirkburn | 05:14 :) |
| 16:24.14 | kremonte | 11:14!!! |
| 16:24.21 | kremonte | it's 12:24 here at the moment |
| 16:24.38 | Kirkburn | heh, it's 18:24 here, so nerner |
| 16:25.02 | kremonte | eetaly? |
| 16:25.19 | Kirkburn | (which, I notice, means I need to set my WoWI profile to Italy) |
| 16:25.27 | Kirkburn | (sorry, eetaly |
| 16:26.08 | Kirkburn | Hmm, it's not detecting DST, even though I have it on to detect. Wonder if it will change 2nite. |
| 16:26.35 | kremonte | lol, why does it always seem that priests have less hp at 60 than mages |
| 16:26.46 | kremonte | most priests in my guild have more than 3k ;/ |
| 16:27.56 | Kirkburn | (even weirder, I didn't change anything, but it's now showing the correct time on WoWI :) |
| 16:28.00 | Kirkburn | I should hope so |
| 16:28.20 | Kirkburn | But then, I'm a warlock, so my view is skewed |
| 16:28.46 | kremonte | i'm a warlock! |
| 16:28.51 | kremonte | ;D |
| 16:29.30 | Cairenn | "In addition, you may set the appropriate option to allow for daylight savings time in your part of the world." |
| 16:29.38 | Tain | I'm a warlock too! Wait... no wait... I'm a mormon. |
| 16:29.42 | kremonte | lol |
| 16:29.48 | Cairenn | you did change something Kirkburn |
| 16:29.48 | kremonte | <3 |
| 16:29.54 | Codayus | Hmm, 3k buffed or unbuffed? |
| 16:29.55 | Shouryuu|TiePro | damn how do I concantate two strings. Like "That player is level"..UnitLevel("target") ? |
| 16:30.08 | Cairenn | you turned that option on when you set up your account |
| 16:30.11 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 16:30.57 | kremonte | wow, to hell with elementals |
| 16:31.07 | kremonte | this is the worst farming ever |
| 16:31.09 | Kirkburn | But, but ... it showed 5:14, I'm sure of it! I'm getting old ... |
| 16:31.58 | Kirkburn | It's right now, and that's what matters ;) |
| 16:32.09 | Kirkburn | thanks for approving the upload btw |
| 16:33.27 | Shouryuu|TiePro | How do I do something myString= "That is a" ..UnitClass("target") ? |
| 16:34.58 | kremonte | whoa |
| 16:35.02 | kremonte | this is hawt, Kirkburn |
| 16:35.20 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 16:35.38 | L|Elviso | Shouryuu|TiePro: does that not work? |
| 16:37.15 | Shouryuu|TiePro | not sure but it looks weird... |
| 16:37.25 | L|Elviso | that's the same code that ICU uses |
| 16:37.37 | Shouryuu|TiePro | ICU? |
| 16:37.41 | L|Elviso | if you check out ICU, get the version from ui.worldofwar.net |
| 16:38.06 | Wobin_ | hrm |
| 16:38.15 | Wobin_ | I wonder if China has DST |
| 16:38.35 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Daylight Saving Time? |
| 16:38.43 | Wobin_ | yeh |
| 16:38.50 | Shouryuu|TiePro | don't think so |
| 16:39.06 | Wobin_ | Figured as much |
| 16:39.06 | Kirkburn | no |
| 16:39.16 | Kirkburn | Does China Time observe Daylight Saving Time? China Time does not operate Daylight-Saving Time |
| 16:39.17 | Wobin_ | Since it's one of the largest areas without separate timezones =) |
| 16:39.30 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Russia is I think |
| 16:39.34 | Kirkburn | The FIRST quoted result on google for "China Daylight Saving Time" |
| 16:39.40 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
| 16:39.51 | Wobin_ | I wonder if purl could do that |
| 16:39.58 | Wobin_ | return the I'm feeling lucky link |
| 16:40.00 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I think Russia has like 12 time zones |
| 16:40.01 | Wobin_ | for a google search |
| 16:40.02 | Kirkburn | yes, russia does |
| 16:40.55 | Wobin_ | China does not observe the fact that time differs across a certain distance =P |
| 16:41.08 | Wobin_ | And none of this Daylight savings crap |
| 16:41.16 | Wobin_ | If you wanted the daylight, you should have used it when you could =P |
| 16:41.24 | Tain | China observes Democracy Squishing Time |
| 16:41.27 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
| 16:41.29 | Wobin_ | That's right! |
| 16:41.41 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Demo what? Let me google that... |
| 16:41.51 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hummm no results... weiiiiirrrd |
| 16:41.58 | Wobin_ | Not that I'm complaining... we have a 24hour korean grocery store at the bottom of our apartment block |
| 16:42.01 | Wobin_ | It's brilliant |
| 16:42.13 | Wobin_ | Everything opens til late |
| 16:42.16 | Wobin_ | every day |
| 16:42.31 | Shouryuu|TiePro | humm where you living? |
| 16:42.35 | Wobin_ | And you can usually buy pirated DVDs after 8pm =) |
| 16:42.37 | Wobin_ | Beijing =) |
| 16:42.41 | Shouryuu|TiePro | ahhhhh |
| 16:42.53 | Shouryuu|TiePro | cool |
| 16:42.57 | Shouryuu|TiePro | since when? |
| 16:43.03 | Tain | Piracy is wrong! |
| 16:43.06 | Wobin_ | pirated DVDs? |
| 16:43.07 | Tain | Don't copy that floppy! |
| 16:43.09 | Wobin_ | Since forever =P |
| 16:43.19 | Wobin_ | Our school library used to sell them =P |
| 16:43.21 | Tain | Call 800-888-PIR8 |
| 16:43.30 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 16:44.06 | Shouryuu|TiePro | huumm what event is fired when you see the "Bob has picked up the flag" |
| 16:44.28 | Wobin_ | Chat? |
| 16:44.44 | Shouryuu|TiePro | which one in particular |
| 16:44.48 | Tain | Yeah there's no flag event, you have to monitor chat. |
| 16:45.36 | Shouryuu|TiePro | ah CHAT_MESSAGE_CHANNEL I guess? |
| 16:45.52 | Wobin_ | hm =( Banksort for MrPlow... |
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| 16:46.49 | Wobin_ | Where are all the functions for bank info? |
| 16:47.17 | ckknight | Shouryuu|TiePro, it's either CHAT_MSG_BG_SYSTEM_HORDE or CHAT_MSG_BG_SYSTEM_ALLIANCE |
| 16:47.25 | Shouryuu|TiePro | yeah just saw that |
| 16:47.29 | Wobin_ | The Bank function list on the wiki doesn't seem to have much |
| 16:47.29 | Shouryuu|TiePro | thanks :P |
| 16:52.16 | L|Elviso | anyone ever had items randomly disappear from the AH? |
| 16:52.40 | ckknight | no, i keep a strict accounting system |
| 16:52.54 | L|Elviso | addon or ? |
| 16:53.10 | ckknight | yea |
| 16:53.37 | Wobin_ | What's the addon? |
| 16:53.37 | L|Elviso | could you indulge em? |
| 16:53.40 | L|Elviso | *me |
| 16:53.49 | ckknight | BossAuction |
| 16:54.00 | ckknight | not releasing to the public |
| 16:54.04 | ckknight | it's a total cash cow |
| 16:54.19 | Wobin_ | I'm often torn between putting stuff on the AH, and just de'ing them cause I couldn't be bothered doing all the scanning and whatnot |
| 16:54.39 | Wobin_ | I might shift to KC Items scanning |
| 16:54.42 | L|Elviso | :( |
| 16:55.42 | L|Elviso | You could give it to me....I'm on a diff server probably :) |
| 16:56.34 | Wobin_ | yeah, you're not on AD, are you? =) |
| 16:56.57 | ckknight | it took me a long time to write, it has a lot of handy features |
| 16:57.08 | ckknight | I'm sure if you're motivated, you can write your own |
| 16:57.26 | Wobin_ | yeah =) well see above, I guess =P |
| 16:57.39 | L|Elviso | I'm a n00b addon maker, I can't make anything :\ |
| 16:57.45 | ckknight | for some statistics, i started with 60 copper bars and in 2 weeks I had a net worth of 100g |
| 16:57.53 | L|Elviso | I can just modify other ppl's code to get it to do stuff a little differrently |
| 16:58.31 | Shouryuu|TiePro | ckknight Using your addon? |
| 16:58.37 | Wobin_ | Are you more of a daytrader? |
| 16:58.59 | L|Elviso | well, it's hard to quantify AH profit like that |
| 16:59.22 | L|Elviso | the only addon I used was Igor's MA, and I've gone from 0 to 1000 in about 2 weeks |
| 16:59.24 | L|Elviso | it |
| 16:59.31 | kremonte | MA? |
| 16:59.32 | L|Elviso | *it's more about buy low/sell high |
| 16:59.35 | L|Elviso | mass auction |
| 16:59.40 | kremonte | oh. |
| 16:59.41 | L|Elviso | best AH addon out there IMO |
| 16:59.49 | L|Elviso | for my purposes at leat |
| 17:00.20 | Shouryuu|TiePro | *will* try that |
| 17:00.42 | ckknight | the secret to my price scheme was to take advantage of people's bid prices |
| 17:00.54 | ckknight | some people have large buyouts but very small bids |
| 17:00.58 | ckknight | and the forget to cancel |
| 17:01.05 | L|Elviso | it's best if you sell alot of items that are the same |
| 17:01.16 | ckknight | I typically invest in commodities |
| 17:01.22 | ckknight | trade goods and reagents |
| 17:01.23 | L|Elviso | commodities rule |
| 17:01.29 | ckknight | I know |
| 17:01.31 | Wobin_ | That's what I was considering following, ckknight |
| 17:01.31 | L|Elviso | I've sold almost 200 stacks of runecloth today |
| 17:01.37 | L|Elviso | @ 3g per |
| 17:01.38 | ckknight | because no matter what, people are gonna need em |
| 17:01.45 | Wobin_ | If you consider the AH to be more of a sharemarket than a supermarket... |
| 17:01.47 | L|Elviso | and my farmer friend COD's them to me for 1.5g per :) |
| 17:02.21 | L|Elviso | Igor's lets you auction 18 items at once.... |
| 17:02.36 | L|Elviso | The beauty of it is being able to set 1 price and it adds it to all of them |
| 17:02.44 | L|Elviso | and it will pro-rate for smaller stacks |
| 17:02.48 | Shouryuu|TiePro | My highest sale, in numbers, was 700 copper bars :P |
| 17:03.08 | Wobin_ | And now I'm inspired to try the stockmarket =P er AH |
| 17:03.11 | Shouryuu|TiePro | bough most of them for lik 5-10s, low bids FTW indeed :P |
| 17:03.38 | L|Elviso | a good way to make $ on a server you just xfer'd to |
| 17:03.43 | L|Elviso | is to buy a few thor bars |
| 17:03.47 | L|Elviso | and sell them individually |
| 17:03.49 | ckknight | I once had 480 bids and 420 auctions going on at one time ;-) |
| 17:04.10 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol nice |
| 17:04.14 | L|Elviso | alot of times I can sell for 99s per....ppl use them for xmutes alot....make 10g a day when you're under lvl 10 |
| 17:04.24 | Wobin_ | I need to move back to IF |
| 17:04.33 | Wobin_ | More spam, but easier to move between the mailbox and the AH |
| 17:04.51 | ckknight | TB's is _so_ handy for AH |
| 17:05.01 | Wobin_ | oh god is it -ever- |
| 17:05.02 | ckknight | it's like 20 yards away |
| 17:05.05 | Wobin_ | four steps =P |
| 17:05.06 | ckknight | and lagfree |
| 17:05.14 | Wobin_ | And no gutter to fall into |
| 17:05.23 | L|Elviso | oh, IMA can interface with Easy Auction too...but I don't use that |
| 17:05.26 | Wobin_ | (but there's a hell of a first step off the bluff itself) |
| 17:05.29 | L|Elviso | TB's? |
| 17:05.34 | L|Elviso | thor bars? |
| 17:05.35 | Wobin_ | Thunderbluff |
| 17:05.36 | ckknight | Thunder Bluff's |
| 17:05.38 | L|Elviso | oh |
| 17:05.44 | Wobin_ | Horde thing =) |
| 17:06.00 | L|Elviso | ya I'm horde |
| 17:06.04 | L|Elviso | mind was just elsewhere :p |
| 17:06.21 | ckknight | I'm Horde too |
| 17:06.34 | Wobin_ | hrm, SW |
| 17:06.41 | Wobin_ | That's not too bad for placement |
| 17:06.54 | Wobin_ | I might try that |
| 17:09.21 | L|Elviso | ckknight: does your addon use historical prices? |
| 17:09.21 | Wobin_ | wow it's been ages since I took the deeprun |
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| 17:11.58 | Shouryuu|TiePro | It's written with an H right? |
| 17:12.59 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Will this code work http://pastebin.com/636116 as a solution to what this person is asking http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=351939&p=1&tmp=1#post351939 |
| 17:15.41 | Wobin_ | There are no copper bars on the AH |
| 17:16.55 | ckknight | L|elviso, I set the prices for goods |
| 17:16.56 | kremonte | man |
| 17:16.58 | kremonte | i rtied toing outside |
| 17:17.00 | kremonte | too tired |
| 17:17.01 | L|Elviso | Shouryuu|TiePro |
| 17:17.02 | kremonte | need something to code |
| 17:17.05 | kremonte | GoWoW is evil |
| 17:17.13 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 17:17.23 | L|Elviso | local BGFlagInfoNameTable = {} local BGFlagInfoMessageTable={} |
| 17:17.32 | L|Elviso | won't that reset your table on every event you have listed |
| 17:17.41 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 17:17.48 | L|Elviso | I'd think you'd want to reset the tables only when zoning in to a bg |
| 17:17.49 | ckknight | Shouryuu|TiePro, don't do == false |
| 17:17.52 | ckknight | use not |
| 17:17.53 | Shouryuu|TiePro | indeed |
| 17:17.57 | Kirkburn | ckknight, are there any plans for giving BossPanel (NightPanel?!) a background? |
| 17:18.01 | Shouryuu|TiePro | wasn't sure if not was going to work |
| 17:18.18 | ckknight | Kirkburn, it has a background, although a crappily done one |
| 17:18.26 | Kirkburn | Ya, that's what I mean :) |
| 17:18.29 | Shouryuu|TiePro | though not only worked on things that returned nil |
| 17:18.31 | Maldivia | Shouryuu|TiePro: line 21, missing t in insert |
| 17:18.47 | ckknight | if someone volunteers to design something, I'd be all for it |
| 17:18.49 | Maldivia | and again in line 30 |
| 17:18.57 | Kirkburn | Steal titan's ;) |
| 17:19.02 | ckknight | no |
| 17:19.06 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 17:19.11 | ckknight | and I can't anyway |
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| 17:19.23 | Kirkburn | Why so? |
| 17:19.28 | L|Elviso | ckknight: I'll take a loot at it sometime |
| 17:19.39 | ckknight | cause mine can have infinite panels, Titan can have 1-2 |
| 17:19.43 | ckknight | thus, it's designed different |
| 17:19.53 | ckknight | plus, the texture code for titan is horrendously awful |
| 17:19.57 | Maldivia | Shouryuu|TiePro: missing then line 37, missing do line 36 |
| 17:19.58 | Shouryuu|TiePro | if I take out line 4 and 5 it should work right |
| 17:20.04 | Kirkburn | If there was some way your could make more beautiful, I'd switch :) |
| 17:20.17 | ckknight | would it be good if it were black? |
| 17:20.41 | ckknight | I'm thinking I can do a simple black with gold trim |
| 17:21.06 | Kirkburn | I thought it was that at,? |
| 17:21.06 | L|Elviso | would it be possible to change the background on-the-fly? |
| 17:21.10 | Kirkburn | *atm |
| 17:21.16 | L|Elviso | as in, you could make several backgrounds, and switch between them? |
| 17:21.17 | Shouryuu|TiePro | thanks Maldivia :p |
| 17:21.25 | L|Elviso | and/or set a different background per panel? |
| 17:21.27 | ckknight | yes, L|elviso |
| 17:21.34 | ckknight | I already have code to allow that |
| 17:21.40 | L|Elviso | ok, cool. Might make a good plugin idea |
| 17:21.56 | ckknight | BossPanel:SetBackdrop({ dataTable }) |
| 17:22.02 | ckknight | it's described in the API docs |
| 17:22.10 | L|Elviso | good deal |
| 17:22.33 | L|Elviso | alright it's time for me to replentish my Dr. P supply |
| 17:22.35 | L|Elviso | I'll bbl |
| 17:42.15 | MentalPower | Cide: you around? |
| 17:42.20 | Cide | yes |
| 17:43.08 | kremonte | Petition: Remove /lol from the game |
| 17:43.32 | MentalPower | have you recieved report about the CTRA debuff-remover taking ~500ms every time the user presses the keybinding? |
| 17:43.37 | ckknight | kremonte, why? |
| 17:43.39 | kremonte | or restrict it to the 1% of the game that isn't an undead rogue |
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| 17:43.46 | kremonte | level 60 kills a level 14 |
| 17:43.49 | kremonte | ./lol /lol /lol /lol/ lol |
| 17:43.58 | kremonte | ./lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol |
| 17:44.02 | ckknight | ... |
| 17:44.02 | kremonte | ./lol /lol /lol |
| 17:44.08 | kremonte | i run across the zone to my corpse |
| 17:44.10 | kremonte | he's still ther |
| 17:44.14 | kremonte | ./lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol |
| 17:44.20 | kremonte | ./lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol |
| 17:44.34 | L|Elviso | report him and have the last /lol |
| 17:44.40 | kremonte | report him for...? |
| 17:44.42 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 17:44.45 | L|Elviso | spamming chat |
| 17:44.52 | kremonte | <GM> [Genius] : LOLZ PUT HEM ON IGNORE |
| 17:44.58 | kremonte | inc another 60 rogue |
| 17:44.59 | L|Elviso | if someone spams the same thing like 5+ times in a rom |
| 17:45.01 | kremonte | ./lol /lol /lol /lol /lol |
| 17:45.03 | L|Elviso | *in a row |
| 17:45.08 | kremonte | GMs don't give a fuck |
| 17:45.09 | L|Elviso | it's reportable |
| 17:45.19 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I actualy got reported for saying the F word |
| 17:45.25 | kremonte | i don't report shit to GMs anymore |
| 17:45.26 | Shouryuu|TiePro | and a GM told me it was bad |
| 17:45.29 | kremonte | at this point, it's useless |
| 17:45.41 | L|Elviso | that's an untrue generalization |
| 17:45.48 | Shouryuu|TiePro | yeah |
| 17:45.49 | L|Elviso | some GM's may not give a fuck |
| 17:45.49 | kremonte | this arrogant hunter told me to slit my wrists, commit suicide, and that i'm a pussyfuck |
| 17:45.52 | L|Elviso | but some do |
| 17:45.53 | kremonte | so i said he was a jackass |
| 17:45.55 | ckknight | I got reported for calling someone an asshole |
| 17:45.57 | kremonte | reported to a GM |
| 17:45.59 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 17:46.00 | kremonte | GM said he did nothing wrong |
| 17:46.03 | kremonte | and put a blackmark |
| 17:46.05 | ckknight | and also for callling someone else a douche |
| 17:46.05 | kremonte | on my account |
| 17:46.08 | kremonte | for saying he was a jackass |
| 17:46.13 | kremonte | yeah i'm sorry, fuck that thx |
| 17:46.27 | kremonte | oh, and then the GM told me to put him on ignore |
| 17:46.49 | kremonte | i don't call GMs anymore |
| 17:47.14 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I do when I get Gold site spammers |
| 17:47.27 | kremonte | any time i report somebody for that |
| 17:47.30 | kremonte | "put them on ignore" |
| 17:47.41 | Kirkburn1 | kremonte, that's silly. Just because some GMs haven't been able to help you, you're going to ignore the only method of payback? |
| 17:47.43 | Shouryuu|TiePro | for the Gold Site? |
| 17:47.49 | kremonte | yes sho |
| 17:47.51 | kremonte | Kirkburn: every |
| 17:47.52 | kremonte | gm |
| 17:47.52 | kremonte | i |
| 17:47.54 | L|Elviso | although I don't think it is, alot of people in today's society think it is.. |
| 17:47.56 | kremonte | have ever called |
| 17:48.05 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I usualy get good responses for teh gold sites |
| 17:48.08 | kremonte | that's more than 2 dozen, by the way |
| 17:49.42 | L|Elviso | so, since you've had 2 dozen bad GM's, therefore every GM is bad? |
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| 17:50.07 | L|Elviso | by that logic, the Spinal reaper doesn't exist, nor does the Thunderfury |
| 17:50.14 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 17:50.14 | ToastTheif | Shouryuu |
| 17:50.20 | L|Elviso | since my guild has run MC for over a year and still has neither |
| 17:50.20 | Shouryuu|TiePro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.20 | kremonte | elviso |
| 17:50.22 | kremonte | "majority" |
| 17:50.26 | Shouryuu|TiePro | sorry the upload failed |
| 17:50.27 | L|Elviso | (but 2 hand of rag) |
| 17:50.52 | kremonte | elviso |
| 17:50.56 | kremonte | i report somebody |
| 17:51.00 | kremonte | and _i_ get warned |
| 17:51.01 | kremonte | from the gm |
| 17:51.04 | kremonte | sorry no ty |
| 17:51.12 | L|Elviso | you must to be properly reporting |
| 17:51.12 | kremonte | i dont want a suspension because an UD rogue is spamming me |
| 17:51.18 | kremonte | ... |
| 17:51.19 | Kirkburn1 | Then DON'T answer them in the same way you get treated |
| 17:51.20 | L|Elviso | *must not be |
| 17:51.30 | kremonte | i reported formally |
| 17:51.31 | L|Elviso | yeah, make sure your nose is clean before you report |
| 17:51.47 | kremonte | i didnt know calling seombody a jackass because they told you to slit your wrists was wrong |
| 17:51.56 | L|Elviso | I've reported alot of people, and have never been actioned myself because of it |
| 17:51.58 | kremonte | i guess it is though |
| 17:52.17 | Kirkburn1 | Just saying, if you don't insult them back, the GM will have an easier job |
| 17:52.20 | L|Elviso | telling someone to slit their wrists isn't anything bad I don't think |
| 17:52.30 | kremonte | and saying that they are a pussy isn't either? |
| 17:52.32 | Kirkburn1 | Well I wouldn't agree there |
| 17:52.43 | L|Elviso | could fall under "roleplay", and it certaintly isn't vulgar |
| 17:52.53 | kremonte | [Aslad] whispers: Go slit your wrists, 10 year old fucking pussy |
| 17:52.55 | shouryuu | slit your wrists and so forth isn't bad? |
| 17:52.56 | kremonte | that's not offensive? |
| 17:53.05 | kremonte | i'd love to go to whatever planet you're on |
| 17:53.11 | L|Elviso | the last part yes, but not wrist slitting |
| 17:53.17 | kremonte | lol. |
| 17:53.22 | kremonte | whatever you say, champ |
| 17:53.26 | Kirkburn1 | Telling someone to die is offensive in my book! |
| 17:53.33 | shouryuu | lol same |
| 17:53.39 | L|Elviso | lol, don't get all anal b/c I disagree with you |
| 17:53.49 | kremonte | commiting suicide is good |
| 17:53.53 | kremonte | okay i'll write that down |
| 17:53.59 | L|Elviso | did I say it was good? |
| 17:54.04 | kremonte | you said it wasn't bad |
| 17:54.07 | Wobin_ | How do I identify what's in a bank? |
| 17:54.07 | Kirkburn1 | But the main point is, if they insult you, continually, then you stand a better chance if you don't answer back |
| 17:54.12 | L|Elviso | remember, this is a RPG....ROLE PLAYING GAME |
| 17:54.20 | wereHamster | "not bad = good" where I live |
| 17:54.20 | kremonte | i'm not on an RP server |
| 17:54.21 | Wobin_ | (I'm hoping for some functionality like current bags? |
| 17:54.21 | kremonte | :-) |
| 17:54.22 | Wobin_ | ) |
| 17:54.31 | L|Elviso | RP server or not, still playing a RPG |
| 17:54.49 | L|Elviso | You don't have to be on a RP server to do quests (that have RP in them) |
| 17:55.06 | Kirkburn1 | This is true, but it is assumed that on PvP and PvE servers, you are always OOC |
| 17:55.10 | kremonte | it's not an NPC |
| 17:55.14 | kremonte | it's a person |
| 17:55.23 | L|Elviso | btw, just because x ~= true doesn't necessarily mean x == false |
| 17:55.26 | Kirkburn1 | Whereas on an RP server, you are assuming IC most of the time |
| 17:55.44 | wereHamster | L|Elviso, when type(x) == bool the yes ! |
| 17:56.01 | kremonte | elviso |
| 17:56.06 | kremonte | plain and simple |
| 17:56.12 | kremonte | he told me that i sucked at wow |
| 17:56.16 | kremonte | and commit suicide |
| 17:56.19 | kremonte | if that's role playing |
| 17:56.21 | kremonte | it's news in my book |
| 17:56.32 | kremonte | if saying i'm a "fucking pussy" is roleplaying, it's news to me |
| 17:56.41 | kremonte | i'm not carrying on with this anymore |
| 17:56.49 | L|Elviso | ok, keep taking things out of context and using 1/2 quotes |
| 17:57.03 | L|Elviso | done with this argument |
| 17:58.56 | Kirkburn1 | Sooo |
| 17:59.19 | Kirkburn1 | Wobin_ what exactly are you after? |
| 17:59.32 | Kirkburn1 | A bank that shows when you aren't present? |
| 17:59.44 | shouryuu | Someone has done that |
| 17:59.54 | Cairenn | bank items |
| 17:59.54 | Kirkburn1 | bagnon is a good one |
| 17:59.59 | Cairenn | bank statement |
| 18:00.04 | L|Elviso | Sanity |
| 18:00.05 | Cairenn | character viewer |
| 18:00.13 | Kirkburn | AIOI bank |
| 18:00.19 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I think he got the point :P |
| 18:00.27 | Kirkburn | I'm not so sure :) |
| 18:00.30 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
| 18:04.15 | Wobin_ | Nah, What I need is a way to access the bank items |
| 18:04.22 | Wobin_ | So I can sort/plow them |
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| 18:04.44 | Kirkburn1 | rawr! |
| 18:04.47 | Wobin_ | I'll look into Sanity though |
| 18:05.12 | Wobin_ | after I grind this last 16 herbalims |
| 18:05.12 | Kirkburn1 | Power supple can't cope with the oven, washing machine and cooker on :s |
| 18:05.49 | Shouryuu|TiePro | supple? |
| 18:07.00 | Wobin_ | supply |
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| 18:11.12 | Kirkburn|Unstabl | RAAAAAA |
| 18:11.12 | Kirkburn|Unstabl | fecking thing |
| 18:11.12 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I'm thinking of relocating my WASD to something lik RDFG, so I can have wasy access to the surrounding keys ESXCVHB and 34567 as well |
| 18:11.41 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Yeah I'll do that |
| 18:11.44 | ckknight | then it'd be harder to access shift/alt/ctrl |
| 18:12.05 | Shouryuu|TiePro | shift is only used for typing |
| 18:12.07 | Shouryuu|TiePro | and not often |
| 18:12.24 | kremonte | i use shift for my spells |
| 18:12.27 | kremonte | ._. |
| 18:12.33 | Shouryuu|TiePro | alt/ctlr are just binders I can replace with other keys, like z or a. I can do z+e as a spell |
| 18:12.42 | ckknight | can you? |
| 18:12.49 | Shouryuu|TiePro | think so |
| 18:12.50 | kremonte | i didnt think you could |
| 18:12.51 | Kirkburn|Unstabl | You'll have to remap loads of keys |
| 18:13.01 | Kirkburn|Unstabl | Well, a few |
| 18:13.02 | Shouryuu|TiePro | if not I can just bind a change page macro to z |
| 18:13.08 | Shouryuu|TiePro | the remap is quick |
| 18:13.15 | Shouryuu|TiePro | isn't that much of a problem |
| 18:13.20 | Wobin_ | I don't think you can remap combo keys like that..? |
| 18:13.35 | Shouryuu|TiePro | well I'll do the change page macro then |
| 18:13.55 | Wobin_ | hehe shift-w is my mount/dismount key =) |
| 18:14.02 | Wobin_ | so useful |
| 18:14.08 | Wobin_ | I had it mapped to ghostwolf |
| 18:14.11 | Shouryuu|TiePro | allthough I can't check if a or z is pressed |
| 18:15.19 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I can't do if Z is down then CastX else castY |
| 18:15.43 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I'll have to write an addon then |
| 18:17.03 | Shouryuu|TiePro | humm but how... |
| 18:19.36 | Ktron | wonder if I can make sergeant in 2 days |
| 18:20.17 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Do I have access to Blizzard's CastSpellByName function? I mean, can I add, as a last line, CURRENT_ACTION_BAR = 1 ? |
| 18:20.44 | Shouryuu|TiePro | and sergeant in 2 days should be doable |
| 18:21.18 | cladhaire | Ktron: Absolutely |
| 18:21.39 | Ktron | hopefully... want to buy my mount with the discount, (I'm 39), and maybe getting the rank up for the downtime this week would be cool |
| 18:21.44 | Ktron | but 39 maybe be hard, we'll see |
| 18:24.02 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Ok this isn't going to be as easy as I thought :P |
| 18:24.22 | Shouryuu|TiePro | but for now, philosophy calls |
| 18:30.53 | Wobin_ | I hate grinding on greens =( |
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| 18:52.06 | Wobin_ | argghghgh |
| 18:52.18 | Wobin_ | I now realise why I haven't leveled up for the last 20 or so herbs |
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| 18:52.28 | Wobin_ | I've hit 225, and not bought up to 300 =( |
| 18:52.34 | |s|subsonic | Anybody know if there's a mod to display health above the mobs head, something that's smaller than the WoW's default one? |
| 18:52.36 | Wobin_ | I -hate- doing that |
| 18:53.32 | kremonte | lok'amir just drop |
| 18:53.34 | kremonte | dropped |
| 18:53.35 | kremonte | D: |
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| 18:55.44 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I have so little inspiration for my philosphy |
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| 18:57.47 | kremonte | holy crap |
| 18:57.50 | kremonte | our pally has in MH |
| 18:58.05 | Shouryuu|TiePro | MH? |
| 18:58.18 | kremonte | lokamir (84dmg, 10sta 18int 8spi) and OH sartura's might (51 healing, 5 mp5, 6sta 6int) |
| 18:58.23 | kremonte | that is ridiculous |
| 18:58.39 | Shouryuu|TiePro | wow |
| 18:58.46 | kremonte | with spell power |
| 18:58.55 | kremonte | that's +165healing |
| 18:58.58 | kremonte | <_<" |
| 18:59.01 | kremonte | or even |
| 18:59.04 | kremonte | +55 healing enchant |
| 18:59.07 | Shouryuu|TiePro | wow |
| 18:59.08 | Shouryuu|TiePro | mean |
| 18:59.15 | kremonte | 190 healing |
| 19:00.36 | Shouryuu|TiePro | mean http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=21275][/link] |
| 19:01.14 | kremonte | we have a druid with that |
| 19:01.15 | kremonte | =P |
| 19:01.27 | |s|subsonic | Is it even possible to have a mod that modifies the health above mobs heads? |
| 19:01.35 | kremonte | nope |
| 19:01.40 | kremonte | Shouryuu|TiePro: i'm using this atm http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21128 |
| 19:01.46 | Shouryuu|TiePro | oh like when you press V ? |
| 19:02.04 | Shouryuu|TiePro | wow |
| 19:02.04 | |s|subsonic | kremonte: I guess that's why I can't find any |
| 19:02.04 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I hate you |
| 19:02.08 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
| 19:02.11 | kremonte | :O |
| 19:02.16 | kremonte | it procs so much |
| 19:02.19 | |s|subsonic | Shouryuu|TiePro: Yeah, but I want something smaller than V |
| 19:02.22 | kremonte | it looks like i'm getting AP every 3 casts |
| 19:02.29 | Shouryuu|TiePro | nice |
| 19:02.38 | Shouryuu|TiePro | |s|subsonic Humm dunno if you can make it smaller... |
| 19:02.38 | kremonte | we have 0 PI priests though |
| 19:02.50 | kremonte | mage in our guild has that staff too though |
| 19:02.51 | Shouryuu|TiePro | ah, that isn't smart |
| 19:02.53 | kremonte | he duos with a PI priest |
| 19:02.55 | kremonte | ot |
| 19:02.59 | kremonte | it's scary |
| 19:03.04 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I meant the PI |
| 19:03.07 | kremonte | AP ZHC PI get it to proc |
| 19:03.14 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
| 19:03.15 | kremonte | BOOM kazillion damage |
| 19:03.21 | |s|subsonic | kremonte: What class is that staff good for |
| 19:03.28 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I have this http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=18311 |
| 19:03.33 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Priests and druid I guess |
| 19:03.35 | Shouryuu|TiePro | the first one |
| 19:03.36 | kremonte | |s|subsonic: mage/warlock |
| 19:03.55 | kremonte | |s|subsonic: it only procs off offensive casts |
| 19:04.00 | |s|subsonic | ahh |
| 19:04.01 | kremonte | |s|subsonic: so it's really not good for priest/druid |
| 19:04.06 | |s|subsonic | or shadow priest, like me :) |
| 19:04.14 | kremonte | shadow priests don't do aqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq |
| 19:04.19 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
| 19:04.20 | |s|subsonic | true |
| 19:04.28 | kremonte | my bane levelling |
| 19:04.42 | Shouryuu|TiePro | we have a PI shadow priest in our guild |
| 19:04.44 | Shouryuu|TiePro | 31/20 |
| 19:04.46 | kremonte | HAY CAN I TAKE <insert 1% drop +shadow dmg blue/purple> PLZ????????? |
| 19:04.52 | kremonte | OK PRIEST U CAN TAKE IT |
| 19:04.57 | kremonte | WRLOCK U CAN TAKE FIRE DMG ONE OK LOL |
| 19:05.04 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 19:05.08 | kremonte | (i respecced fire /lol) |
| 19:05.26 | |s|subsonic | PI? |
| 19:05.33 | kremonte | powar infoozun |
| 19:05.38 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
| 19:05.42 | kremonte | 31pt disc |
| 19:05.46 | Osagasu | We love you too, kremonte. |
| 19:05.49 | |s|subsonic | I'm still debating on what build to make, I haven't added my points again |
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| 19:05.56 | kremonte | Osagasu: ?!?!?!?!??!!? |
| 19:06.00 | kremonte | you can't love me |
| 19:06.01 | Osagasu | * kremonte hates shadow priests |
| 19:06.02 | kremonte | i'm an asshole |
| 19:06.07 | kremonte | oh |
| 19:06.12 | kremonte | i do! it's true |
| 19:06.20 | kremonte | |s|subsonic: for levelling, shadow beyond a doubt |
| 19:06.21 | kremonte | ;P |
| 19:06.21 | Osagasu | :> |
| 19:06.42 | Shouryuu|TiePro | What lvl are you |s|subsonic |
| 19:06.50 | |s|subsonic | yeah, I'm still 48 |
| 19:07.01 | |s|subsonic | I have a 60 mage I don't like anymore |
| 19:07.15 | |s|subsonic | I just couldn't get into level 60 content. |
| 19:07.26 | |s|subsonic | It requires too much time, not good for a casual gamer |
| 19:07.37 | Wobin_ | oh |
| 19:07.42 | Wobin_ | Shadow all the way baby |
| 19:07.52 | Wobin_ | REally really shadow |
| 19:08.06 | Wobin_ | And if you can, party with a 'lock |
| 19:08.17 | Wobin_ | with shadowweaving they'll love you for it |
| 19:08.57 | |s|subsonic | at 48 I should have 38 points right? |
| 19:09.12 | kremonte | attack of the "casual gamer" >_>" |
| 19:09.23 | Osagasu | 38 |
| 19:09.25 | Osagasu | *39 |
| 19:09.27 | kremonte | 8 hours raiding max weekly, bwl mc aq40 dieeeeeee |
| 19:09.28 | Wobin_ | maybe 39? |
| 19:09.33 | Wobin_ | cause you get one at 10 |
| 19:09.41 | Shouryuu|TiePro | aye |
| 19:10.16 | |s|subsonic | Agg yeah |
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| 19:16.30 | Ktron|WSG | anyone know roughly how much honor I'd need to get to sergeant |
| 19:16.38 | Shouryuu|TiePro | no Idea |
| 19:16.41 | Ktron|WSG | I never remember how ranks work |
| 19:19.15 | |s|subsonic | How's this for DPS? http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?bV0hZZEMMkctop |
| 19:22.02 | Shouryuu|TiePro | drop the imp MB and put that point in Darkness imo |
| 19:22.11 | Shouryuu|TiePro | 1 point in imp MP isn't worth 2% more dmg |
| 19:22.54 | Iriel | Doesn't the ranking depend heavily on your server? |
| 19:23.05 | Shouryuu|TiePro | that too |
| 19:23.23 | |s|subsonic | I read that 1 point of MB can make no delay if you do MB - MF - MF - MB If you take off the point there's a slight delay |
| 19:23.35 | |s|subsonic | Also, I could remove 1 point from blackout and put it to darkness. |
| 19:23.49 | |s|subsonic | thanks for your help btw :) |
| 19:23.58 | |s|subsonic | I hate making decisions without discussing them |
| 19:24.10 | |s|subsonic | Especially since I've already respecced twice. |
| 19:24.27 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
| 19:25.09 | |s|subsonic | i can probably do without the points in MB |
| 19:25.23 | |s|subsonic | Or, leave the point off, test it first |
| 19:26.23 | Shouryuu|TiePro | you should get unbreakable will not wan spec imo |
| 19:26.45 | |s|subsonic | I'm still leveling though. |
| 19:27.11 | |s|subsonic | I figure it'll make for the highest dps |
| 19:27.21 | Shouryuu|TiePro | yeah I guess |
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| 19:34.51 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 19:35.03 | Wobin_ | MB is your highest damage spell for shadow |
| 19:35.17 | |s|subsonic | yeah |
| 19:35.25 | |s|subsonic | costs alot though |
| 19:35.45 | Wobin_ | I usually MB, SW:P, Shield, MB, wand til death |
| 19:35.55 | Shouryuu|TiePro | but half a second off the CD isn't going to add more that 2% damage imo |
| 19:36.30 | |s|subsonic | Wobin: You don't vamp embrace over shield. Much less mana |
| 19:36.47 | Wobin_ | Nah, vamp embrace isn't really worth it |
| 19:37.30 | Wobin_ | It could be later on, but I've found that as long as you've got them down to about half, and have a dot on them, and a decent wand, the shield will last just long enough to kill it |
| 19:37.52 | Wobin_ | And you regen mana while wanding, so it's great for grinding |
| 19:38.08 | Wobin_ | MF isn't worth the mana |
| 19:38.12 | |s|subsonic | regen with spirit tap? |
| 19:38.36 | Wobin_ | At 50 I ground in the EP undead |
| 19:38.39 | Wobin_ | Nonstop |
| 19:38.50 | Wobin_ | And I didn't really need the spirit tap |
| 19:38.59 | Wobin_ | by the time combat was over, I had regenned to full |
| 19:39.18 | Wobin_ | The only time I had to stop and drink was if I pulled too many at once |
| 19:39.24 | Wobin_ | and shackle helped there too |
| 19:40.16 | |s|subsonic | So many choices |
| 19:40.44 | |s|subsonic | Wobin: Can you show which build you would make at 48? |
| 19:40.50 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 19:40.52 | |s|subsonic | http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?bV0hZZEMMkctop |
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| 19:41.41 | Wobin_ | hm new talents eh? |
| 19:42.16 | |s|subsonic | Yeah, but very little changed in shadow |
| 19:42.20 | |s|subsonic | The big change was holy |
| 19:44.21 | Wobin_ | For pure grinding? |
| 19:44.31 | |s|subsonic | yeah |
| 19:44.37 | |s|subsonic | Well, some pvp |
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| 19:46.18 | Wobin_ | http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?rxMZZxMGtbtop |
| 19:46.25 | Wobin_ | Possibly something along those lines |
| 19:47.00 | Wobin_ | Shadowweaving will make you every 'lock's friend |
| 19:47.37 | Wobin_ | plus if you place rank 1 SW:Pain on your bar, you can spam it on targets to proc the weaving |
| 19:47.38 | |s|subsonic | don't think reach is that important? |
| 19:48.09 | Wobin_ | If you plan on using MF in your technique, it'll be helpful |
| 19:48.30 | Wobin_ | Since MF is pretty useless in grinding without it |
| 19:48.30 | Iriel | I wonder how many people it would upset if blizzard made the proc rates on spellcasts scale with the rank used versus the best rank known |
| 19:48.40 | Iriel | or I guess, best rank POTENTIALLY known |
| 19:48.53 | Wobin_ | best rank available to that level |
| 19:49.01 | Iriel | yes, that's a better way of putting it |
| 19:49.22 | Wobin_ | well technically it wouldn't affect this, since the talent clearly states that any shadow spell will cause the proc to.. proc |
| 19:49.41 | Wobin_ | er shadow damage spell |
| 19:49.57 | Iriel | I dont know the effect in question, but does it at least scale with the magnitude of the spell used? |
| 19:49.58 | Wobin_ | with 5 points, you get a 100% chance to proc |
| 19:50.14 | |s|subsonic | Hey, why did the term "face melter" come about? |
| 19:50.37 | Wobin_ | nope. What it does is cause the target to take 3% more shadow damage |
| 19:50.42 | Wobin_ | and the proc stacks up to 5 |
| 19:50.59 | Wobin_ | So technically it scales |
| 19:51.13 | Wobin_ | since if you used a weak spell, it would increase it by 15% of the weak spell |
| 19:51.27 | Wobin_ | Cause shadow priests melt faces in PvP =) |
| 19:51.29 | Iriel | but it's applying a debuff to the target? |
| 19:51.32 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 19:51.33 | krka | cool GC-thread iriel |
| 19:51.46 | Iriel | krka: Yay, someone read it 8-) |
| 19:51.47 | |s|subsonic | meaning it makes people sad? |
| 19:51.56 | Wobin_ | meaning you kill them =P |
| 19:52.15 | Shouryuu|TiePro | |s|subsonic Face melter started with a thread on the priest forums I think. Shadow Priest = PVP server? |
| 19:52.17 | Shouryuu|TiePro | that was it |
| 19:52.25 | Wobin_ | dot->fear->MB->MF->fear->dot->etc |
| 19:52.34 | |s|subsonic | Yeah, something like that |
| 19:52.40 | Shouryuu|TiePro | first responce was "You will melt faces", second was the same, so was the third, and so forth |
| 19:52.41 | krka | i think most addon authors read all your posts iriel |
| 19:53.03 | |s|subsonic | what mods have you made Iriel? |
| 19:53.19 | krka | DevTools! |
| 19:53.22 | Iriel | I was happy that ckknight (Roosevelt) bested my attempt by a character |
| 19:53.26 | Wobin_ | mostly due to the icon for Mindflay =) |
| 19:53.33 | Shouryuu|TiePro | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=65&dp=0&sh=full&so=desc&sb=lastupdate |
| 19:53.59 | Wobin_ | Could you link to the post? |
| 19:54.17 | Iriel | err, DevTools, Bookworm, Aftercast, StatRings (the original one), WatchCombat, PetInfo, KillCounter, ArcadiaLogos, BigMinimap, CameraKeys, NameCycle, PocketHelper, RedRange, TargetCensus, WheelBindings, XPToGo |
| 19:54.30 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=351899&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 19:55.04 | krka | <3 @ DevTools |
| 19:55.13 | |s|subsonic | haha that arcadia mod is interesting |
| 19:55.16 | Iriel | krka: I'm going to add my gc force as a devtools command |
| 19:56.32 | |s|subsonic | Camera Keys needs more of a description :) |
| 19:56.40 | krka | interesting... is it really that useful for devs? |
| 19:57.06 | Iriel | krka: I have no idea, but it doesn't have any runtime overhead if you dont use it, and it's useful to SOME, so it may as well be in there |
| 19:57.16 | Iriel | krka: Then folks dont need to roll their own if they dont want to |
| 19:57.25 | Maldivia | Iriel: was adding some of the new faction function to WoWWiki, and noticed that UnitFactionGroup is under "Faction Functions", shouldn't it be under "Unit Functions" ? |
| 19:57.39 | Iriel | Maldivia : It should be under both groups |
| 19:57.45 | Iriel | Maldivia : 8-) |
| 19:57.52 | Maldivia | ohh, it is :) |
| 19:57.57 | Maldivia | nevermind then |
| 19:58.16 | Iriel | Maldivia : I used to have a script which rebuilt that page periodically, but it's in serious need of love and attention, so doesn't work right now |
| 19:58.29 | Maldivia | ok |
| 19:59.19 | Iriel | Grr, I managed to break apache crimson 8-( |
| 19:59.38 | Iriel | (Apache's java SAX XML parser) |
| 20:00.11 | L|Elviso | that had to have taken some work, Iriel |
| 20:00.13 | Shouryuu|TiePro | humm are the WoW forums down? |
| 20:00.31 | Wobin_ | not at last check? |
| 20:00.40 | Maldivia | I though Apache's XML parser was called Xerces? |
| 20:00.42 | Shouryuu|TiePro | damn can't login... |
| 20:00.56 | Iriel | crimson is part of xerces |
| 20:01.01 | Maldivia | ahh, ok |
| 20:01.04 | Iriel | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException |
| 20:01.08 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.18 | Maldivia | ups... |
| 20:01.31 | Shouryuu|TiePro | could someone post this http://pastebin.com/636408 here then http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=351939&p=1&tmp=1#post351939 |
| 20:02.31 | Maldivia | sure |
| 20:02.32 | Iriel | I can't figure out HOW I did that though 8-( |
| 20:02.46 | Shouryuu|TiePro | thank you |
| 20:02.57 | Iriel | I thought it may be me throwing a NPE and crimson catching it, but it's not |
| 20:02.57 | krka | luagolf is pretty fun :) |
| 20:03.04 | Iriel | Aha, or maybe it is |
| 20:03.39 | Maldivia | Shouryuu|TiePro: should I just link the pastebin ? |
| 20:04.15 | Shouryuu|TiePro | nay could you copy paste what's inside |
| 20:04.27 | Maldivia | Ok |
| 20:04.50 | Shouryuu|TiePro | thanks :P |
| 20:07.33 | Maldivia | :) |
| 20:08.31 | Shouryuu|TiePro | damn what's the interface number? |
| 20:08.34 | Shouryuu|TiePro | 10100 right? |
| 20:08.38 | kremonte | 11000 |
| 20:09.36 | Shouryuu|TiePro | danke |
| 20:09.36 | Maldivia | hmm, this patchs have added some nice new blue trinkets |
| 20:09.43 | Shouryuu|TiePro | yeah |
| 20:09.55 | Shouryuu|TiePro | And some nice knew stuff for Shamans |
| 20:09.58 | Shouryuu|TiePro | relics =P |
| 20:10.17 | L|Elviso | where's Kirkburn when you need him |
| 20:10.22 | Maldivia | just noticed a +100dmg/190 healing, 15 sec trinket |
| 20:10.28 | kremonte | ./sigh |
| 20:10.31 | Maldivia | ie, a blue ToEP |
| 20:10.39 | kremonte | i'm trying to quest and another ally warlock keeps casting corecklessness on mobs i'm fighting |
| 20:10.49 | Shouryuu|TiePro | corecklessness? |
| 20:10.53 | kremonte | watches me die, kills it in onehit |
| 20:10.57 | kremonte | gives mob higher AP |
| 20:11.04 | Wobin_ | curse of |
| 20:11.04 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 20:11.14 | Shouryuu|TiePro | that really sucks lol |
| 20:11.21 | Wobin_ | You seem to play on a really fun server |
| 20:11.22 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Pve or PvP server? |
| 20:11.25 | Maldivia | hmm, epic paladin relic, -25 mana on cleanse... |
| 20:11.26 | kremonte | PVP |
| 20:11.29 | kremonte | Wobin_: yup |
| 20:11.32 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Kick his ass? |
| 20:11.37 | kremonte | i'm alliance too... |
| 20:11.40 | Shouryuu|TiePro | ah lol |
| 20:11.46 | Shouryuu|TiePro | ask him to stop? |
| 20:11.47 | Wobin_ | The Horde hate you, the Alliance hate you... |
| 20:11.50 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 20:12.00 | Wobin_ | I'm going to suggest you need to reroll on another server =) |
| 20:12.02 | kremonte | ask him to stop? you really think it's his intent to be nice? |
| 20:12.06 | kremonte | Wobin_: lol. |
| 20:12.08 | Shouryuu|TiePro | lol |
| 20:12.25 | kremonte | Wobin_: i have a 60 warlock with full nemesis, 4 epic rings, 3 epic trinkets, epic everything else |
| 20:12.33 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Tell him you're going to report him for griefing? :D |
| 20:12.45 | kremonte | people have done it to me before, GMs didn't do anything |
| 20:12.52 | kremonte | "Fight NPCs somewhere else" |
| 20:12.59 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe |
| 20:12.59 | Wobin_ | You're a priest in his party? |
| 20:13.08 | kremonte | i'm a warrior and i'm questing solo? |
| 20:13.19 | Wobin_ | ah =) |
| 20:14.42 | Wobin_ | less you can do about that |
| 20:14.50 | Wobin_ | except maybe train some mobs onto him |
| 20:15.32 | kremonte | i can't really train mobs |
| 20:15.35 | kremonte | considering i lack fd |
| 20:15.36 | L|Elviso | ckknight, you around? |
| 20:16.27 | L|Elviso | CoR adds a trivial amt of AP though, if that's enough to get you killed....lol |
| 20:16.42 | Shouryuu|TiePro | krem train mobs, fear and hearth |
| 20:16.43 | L|Elviso | plus it lowers their armor, which being melee should make up for it |
| 20:17.02 | Shouryuu|TiePro | A priest's fear lasts just long enough for that method |
| 20:17.19 | Wobin_ | he's not a priest =) |
| 20:17.36 | Shouryuu|TiePro | well a warior's fear is *as* long, that's what I ment :P |
| 20:18.34 | Wobin_ | ah, intimidating? |
| 20:18.35 | kremonte | L|Elviso: the mobs are 2 levels higher than i am |
| 20:18.53 | Shouryuu|TiePro | aye intimidating |
| 20:19.08 | Shouryuu|TiePro | man I still haven't start my philosophy paper |
| 20:19.10 | kremonte | it doesnt make a difference for caster but ohhh it makes a dif for melee |
| 20:26.08 | Shouryuu|TiePro | so is making an add on that checks if Z is down possible? |
| 20:27.56 | L|Elviso | like if you're holding down Z? |
| 20:28.02 | Shouryuu|TiePro | aye |
| 20:28.08 | Iriel | Do you have it bound to anything else? |
| 20:28.09 | L|Elviso | I would think so |
| 20:28.16 | Shouryuu|TiePro | nope |
| 20:28.23 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I want Z to act as Ctrl |
| 20:28.29 | Iriel | Then you create a key binding that sets a flag on 'down' and unsets it on 'up' |
| 20:28.40 | L|Elviso | you can just remap it using a reg hack or 3rd party software |
| 20:28.51 | L|Elviso | in windows |
| 20:31.15 | Shouryuu|TiePro | but isn't it possible by default? |
| 20:31.23 | Shouryuu|TiePro | can't I bind key to z + 1? |
| 20:31.29 | Iriel | No |
| 20:31.33 | Iriel | It's not a 'modifier' |
| 20:31.39 | Iriel | Only Shift, Alt, and Ctrl are modifiers |
| 20:31.47 | Shouryuu|TiePro | ok |
| 20:32.14 | Shouryuu|TiePro | But I still don't understand what you said |
| 20:32.58 | Tem | rofl |
| 20:33.10 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I want to set a flag on 'down' and unset it on 'up', and you're telling me in order to do it I have to set a flag on 'down' and unset it on 'up'? |
| 20:33.13 | Shouryuu|TiePro | pester? |
| 20:33.26 | Tem | read this thread |
| 20:33.27 | Tem | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3975&page=1&pp=10 |
| 20:34.01 | Tem | There was something that was driving me nuts the whole time, then I get to the last post and Pester spoke my mind for me. |
| 20:34.19 | Shouryuu|TiePro | loool |
| 20:34.44 | Iriel | Tem: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=351899&p=1&tmp=1#post351899 |
| 20:36.00 | Shouryuu|TiePro | ok this tie I'm doing my philosophy for real |
| 20:36.03 | Shouryuu|TiePro | *tmie |
| 20:36.11 | Shouryuu|TiePro | s/tmie/time/ |
| 20:37.17 | Tem | Iriel: the only thing I can think of to make it shorter is to make the variables global |
| 20:37.52 | Iriel | Tem: I explicitly call that cheating in the first post 8-) |
| 20:37.58 | Tem | oh |
| 20:38.10 | Tem | ah I wasn't reading closely enough |
| 20:38.46 | Iriel | Anyway, I was just saying to krka that I think i'll add a /gcforce command to devtools |
| 20:39.02 | Iriel | Just in case someone wants it |
| 20:39.14 | Tem | sounds useful |
| 20:39.16 | Iriel | Dear god, what have blizzard done to the login servers? |
| 20:41.08 | Aalny | blearg! |
| 20:41.10 | Tem | hah, nice new sig Iriel |
| 20:41.14 | Tem | how long has that been there? |
| 20:41.32 | kremonte | RegisterForEvent? |
| 20:41.34 | Iriel | Pretty much since 1.10 PTR's went up |
| 20:41.46 | kremonte | i always seem to find myself lost |
| 20:41.59 | Aalny | Tem, remember that weird widget bug I was trying to describe last night? I decided to just sleep on it and make a repro in the morning. In the process of making my repro and twiddling my existing code, I couldn't make the bug happen anymore. |
| 20:42.05 | Gryphen | well, is is lost or is it found? |
| 20:42.11 | Iriel | kremonte : I have a new one, since slouken removed RFS |
| 20:42.12 | Gryphen | is it* |
| 20:42.25 | Iriel | kremonte : <Authors: Don't hook when RegisterForEvent will do!> |
| 20:42.29 | Tem | Aalny: yay |
| 20:42.40 | Aalny | yay that it's fixed |
| 20:42.43 | Tem | fix by accident |
| 20:42.45 | Aalny | boo that I don't know what I did to fix it |
| 20:42.53 | Tem | I love/hate when I fix stuff by accident |
| 20:43.07 | Iriel | That's when SVN comes in handy |
| 20:43.16 | Tem | -diff |
| 20:43.17 | Iriel | if you commit your code in its broken state then fixed state, you can compare the two |
| 20:43.23 | cladhaire | I find I dont commit often enough to solve stuff like that |
| 20:43.25 | Aalny | true |
| 20:43.34 | Aalny | but I hate committing broken code |
| 20:43.36 | Tem | I'm trying a new system with DuctTape |
| 20:43.41 | Tem | I'm not developing in place |
| 20:43.56 | Tem | I'm developing and everytime I want to load up in game, I commit and checkout |
| 20:44.13 | Shouryuu|TiePro | commit? |
| 20:44.20 | Shouryuu|TiePro | que es commit? |
| 20:44.20 | Tem | commit to an svn |
| 20:44.25 | Wobin_ | SVN |
| 20:44.31 | Aalny | save the state of the code to a version control system |
| 20:44.46 | Aalny | svn = Subversion = one of many version control systems |
| 20:44.49 | cladhaire | SO you're not doing ANY development in place, just doing the dev, commit, checkout then start the game? |
| 20:44.53 | Shouryuu|TiePro | that still doesn't make send but I guess I'll get oer it |
| 20:44.54 | Tem | only problem is that it gets a little spammy on the svn bot |
| 20:45.06 | Tem | cladhaire: yeah |
| 20:45.19 | cladhaire | I dont know if I could code like that in a non-library environment |
| 20:45.25 | Tem | cladhaire: now, if it's a one line change I'll tweak it in place |
| 20:45.48 | Aalny | Shouryuu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Version_control_system |
| 20:45.53 | cladhaire | AceHooks I had no issue doing that.. I'd commit before running any tests.. I suppose it all depends on the project. |
| 20:46.12 | Tem | Iriel: I never could take the focus from the ChatFrameEditBox last night |
| 20:46.13 | Iriel | If you dont like the commit-when-broken approach, just use a branch for your active work |
| 20:46.22 | Iriel | Tem: I think it's gotten autofocus stuck on |
| 20:46.38 | Iriel | Tem: Or that autofocus is un-turn-offable and that the xml attribute is a red herring |
| 20:46.50 | Iriel | Tem: Something crazy like that |
| 20:46.54 | Aalny | heh...I'm too lazy to branch when broken |
| 20:47.09 | Tem | Iriel: it's not like that with any other editbox |
| 20:47.12 | Iriel | Aalny : I'm more suggesting work on the branch, copy to trunk when it works |
| 20:47.13 | cladhaire | I'll commit broken with no problem, I just don't commit as often as I should-- cause I compulsively save my work |
| 20:47.13 | Tem | Iriel: only the CFEB |
| 20:47.20 | Iriel | Tem: So maybe you missed something elsewhere? |
| 20:47.21 | cladhaire | Some times I rely on a diff to write my rev messages |
| 20:47.32 | cladhaire | depending on how long a cycle its been |
| 20:47.34 | Tem | Iriel: the best I got was to pass the focus to a hidden editbox that I had called EditBox:EnableKeyboard(false) on |
| 20:47.43 | Aalny | oh, I definitely check the diff to make sure I didn't forget anything in rev messages |
| 20:47.44 | Tem | Iriel: which sort of worked, but had odd effects |
| 20:48.32 | Iriel | Tem: Hm, how about toplevel versus not-toplevel ? |
| 20:48.49 | Tem | didn't try that |
| 20:48.57 | Tem | I thought that just had to do with frame layers |
| 20:49.04 | Tem | er, inter-frame layering |
| 20:49.21 | Iriel | Well, strata perhaps |
| 20:49.24 | Iriel | CFEB is on DIALOG |
| 20:50.56 | Tem | oh noes |
| 20:51.03 | Tem | login server is taking a nap |
| 20:51.08 | Iriel | Just try a few times |
| 20:51.11 | Iriel | it'll let you in eventually |
| 20:51.20 | Tem | I wonder what they did to them |
| 20:51.24 | Tem | the've been like this all week |
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| 20:52.32 | Shouryuu|TiePro | aww great |
| 20:52.38 | Shouryuu|TiePro | my heater's broken |
| 20:53.01 | Tem | oh! handshaking |
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| 21:02.21 | Tem | Iriel: the FrameStrata doesn't seem to affect it |
| 21:03.37 | Iriel | Tem: Ok.. how about toplevel? |
| 21:03.41 | Tem | not sure yet |
| 21:03.47 | Tem | just got in-game to start playing |
| 21:04.00 | Tem | I wish I could still edit FrameXML |
| 21:04.06 | Tem | it would be much easier to test this |
| 21:04.21 | Tem | is there any way to turn off toplevel via API? |
| 21:04.57 | Tem | I don't see one, so I'll just set another editbox to be toplevel and see how it behaves. |
| 21:05.03 | Iriel | Now you come to mention it, i'm not sure |
| 21:09.04 | Tem | I am still able to clear the focus from a toplevel editbox |
| 21:09.48 | Iriel | Hm, can you give that one an INITIAL framestrata of DIALOG? |
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| 21:11.04 | Iriel | Hm, it would appear that lua's str.rep has some unpleasant side effects |
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| 21:11.46 | Tem | Editbox with Initial FS at DIALOG with toplevel=true |
| 21:12.00 | Tem | will give up the focus |
| 21:12.33 | Tem | sideeffects? such as? |
| 21:13.35 | Iriel | well, there's an internal buffer used during execution |
| 21:17.33 | Maldivia | ...and ? |
| 21:17.58 | Wobin_ | hrm, Iriel? I don't understand the logic behind "s,c=c,gcinfo(),{}" in ckknight's optimisation of that line |
| 21:18.13 | Iriel | throwing away the {} |
| 21:19.24 | ckknight | yea, {} is garbage |
| 21:19.39 | ckknight | btw, Iriel, the force gc code with the strings works great |
| 21:24.04 | Iriel | ckknight : Thanks, it's a little imperfect relative to the native collectgarbage, but since we dont have that i'm not sure I can make it better |
| 21:28.09 | Miravlix | Setting up WoW and your video card to work together optimally, is more difficult than writing Deep Blue 10 in lua |
| 21:28.41 | Shouryuu|Roussea | lol |
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| 21:38.08 | Guillotine | ok. I have a problem. Scanning buffs the old way does not seem to work correctly. any idea how to fix it? many of my addons rely on scanning buff tooltips to see which are active |
| 21:38.29 | Shouryuu|Roussea | doesn |
| 21:38.30 | Shouryuu|Roussea | t |
| 21:38.36 | Shouryuu|Roussea | work correctly as in? |
| 21:38.46 | Guillotine | its not seeing the buff tooltips at all |
| 21:38.50 | Guillotine | its getting blank strings |
| 21:38.51 | Miravlix | You use tooltip scanning? |
| 21:38.55 | Miravlix | Yeah |
| 21:38.59 | Guillotine | Miravlix, what should I be doing? |
| 21:39.02 | Miravlix | Whats your tooltip line in XML? |
| 21:39.10 | Guillotine | well, actually, I didn't do it. I'm just trying to fix the addons I use |
| 21:39.12 | cladhaire | Its the tooltip owner issue that everyone is seeing |
| 21:39.12 | AnduinLothar | reading the boards and wiki |
| 21:39.15 | cladhaire | check the sticky in the wowi boards, |
| 21:39.17 | cladhaire | or the wiki |
| 21:39.24 | Guillotine | <GameTooltip name="SwiftShiftTooltip" frameStrata="TOOLTIP" hidden="true" parent="UIParent" inherits="GameTooltipTemplate" /> |
| 21:39.31 | Miravlix | Remove parent from it |
| 21:39.34 | Shouryuu|Roussea | isn't there a sticky fix on WoW boards? |
| 21:39.39 | cladhaire | Shouryuu|Roussea: Yep |
| 21:39.47 | Guillotine | well the site seems to be down for me >< |
| 21:39.51 | Miravlix | add SwiftShiftTooltip:SetOwner(this, "ANCHOR_NONE") to Onload |
| 21:39.52 | Guillotine | when i do tracert, it breaks up |
| 21:40.03 | Shouryuu | Burn Rousseau, burn |
| 21:40.20 | Miravlix | Don't use hide() on the SwiftShiftTooltip in the addon |
| 21:41.26 | Miravlix | Do they actually address the issue fully, or is it the usuall half story? |
| 21:41.30 | Maldivia | hmm, when inheriting from a template, do you inherite the parent specified in that template? |
| 21:41.38 | Miravlix | I know Leg updated the Wiki propperly |
| 21:42.54 | Miravlix | You remove parent to avoid that Hide is called on the parent resulting in hide being called on all children |
| 21:43.04 | Miravlix | SetOwner initialize the tooltip |
| 21:44.20 | Miravlix | It's possible to do a SetOwner... Tooltip:SetX Tooltip:Hide combo, but there is major performance issue with SetOwner and SetX calls |
| 21:44.34 | Iriel | Okay, 2 problems with that tooltip |
| 21:44.40 | Iriel | 1) It's got a parent, lose that |
| 21:44.44 | Iriel | 2) It's hidden, lose that |
| 21:44.55 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.05 | Iriel | actually, the hidden part is okay, as long as you dont show it subsequently |
| 21:45.36 | Iriel | Yeah, sorry, was forggetting OnHide doesn't get called |
| 21:46.44 | Miravlix | Doing ClearLines() and Show() is not a good idea either, the Show() fails and ends up forcing a Hide() |
| 21:47.13 | Maldivia | Iriel: <GameTooltip name="bla" inherits="GameTooltipTemplate" /> <-- will it get parent="UIParent" from GameTooltipTemplate ? |
| 21:48.10 | Miravlix | No, if it did this method would keep breaking everywhere |
| 21:48.18 | Maldivia | ohh nevermind, looked the wrong place, the template doesn't hav a parent |
| 21:59.42 | Shouryuu | I just want something to fire on load, and on event, would this XML work http://pastebin.com/636594 ? |
| 22:01.07 | Miravlix | missing () |
| 22:01.16 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 22:01.25 | Shouryuu | and do I have to add the script file |
| 22:01.36 | Shouryuu | or does puting it in the TOC suddice? |
| 22:02.09 | Shouryuu | s/suddice/suffice/ |
| 22:03.14 | Shouryuu | annd why can't I log on the forums... |
| 22:03.25 | Miravlix | <script file="something">? |
| 22:03.33 | Miravlix | Script can all be done in toc these days |
| 22:03.36 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 22:05.51 | Iriel | I wouldn't give it a parent myself |
| 22:06.07 | Iriel | You can even do that purely in lua |
| 22:06.23 | Shouryuu | but how? |
| 22:06.48 | Shouryuu | I hate XML so anything that allows me to run away from it, pleases me :p |
| 22:07.25 | ckknight | most of the bp plugins are xml-less |
| 22:07.39 | Iriel | http://pastebin.com/636611 |
| 22:08.17 | Iriel | Just bear in mind the global 'this' wont be set when OnLoad is called (see the comment I put in above the call) |
| 22:09.34 | krka | this not set on OnLoad? why? :/ |
| 22:09.58 | Iriel | krka: global this will not be set when HIS OnLoad function is called from lua |
| 22:10.04 | Iriel | krka: because I didn't use OnLoad |
| 22:10.12 | Iriel | Or should I say |
| 22:10.22 | Iriel | krka: because I didn't use <OnLoad> |
| 22:10.30 | Iriel | krka: because it's in lua, not xml |
| 22:10.56 | Iriel | and <OnLoad> doesn't make any sense in the lua world, since the object has been 'loaded' BEFORE you get the frame back |
| 22:14.48 | Shouryuu | I still don't understand this "BGFlagInfoOnLoad(BGFlagInfoFrame);". Actually I haven't understood a word of what you've said about the this and thats =( |
| 22:14.58 | Iriel | okay.. so |
| 22:15.14 | Iriel | Inside your BGFlagInfoOnLoad function, you reference 'this', so you can call RegisterForEvent on it, etc |
| 22:15.19 | Iriel | right now you probably have |
| 22:15.24 | Iriel | function BGFlagInfoOnLoad() |
| 22:15.25 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.31 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.32 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.32 | Iriel | end |
| 22:15.38 | Iriel | You need change that to be |
| 22:15.43 | Iriel | function BGFlagInfoOnLoad(this) |
| 22:15.45 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.50 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.51 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.52 | Iriel | end |
| 22:16.11 | Shouryuu | ok |
| 22:16.13 | Shouryuu | thank you :P |
| 22:16.34 | kremonte | RegisterForEvent? |
| 22:16.34 | kremonte | ._. |
| 22:16.44 | kremonte | what happened to RegisterEvent? :( |
| 22:17.04 | Iriel | nothing? |
| 22:17.13 | Iriel | I just typoed it 8-) |
| 22:17.16 | kremonte | why the For? D: |
| 22:17.17 | kremonte | lawl |
| 22:17.26 | AnduinLothar | there is no RegisterForEvent |
| 22:17.33 | Iriel | Too many programming environments in one day, sorry |
| 22:18.08 | Osagasu | And here I am having trouble with basic psuedocode... |
| 22:18.10 | kremonte | ;P |
| 22:18.38 | kremonte | i asked cause |
| 22:18.41 | kremonte | your sig: <Authors: Don't hook when RegisterForEvent will do!> |
| 22:19.16 | Iriel | Oh, damn it |
| 22:19.36 | kremonte | you didn't notice i take it? hehe |
| 22:19.42 | kremonte | that's why i've been confused :( |
| 22:19.50 | Iriel | No, I just noticed it in the above example |
| 22:20.18 | Iriel | Damn inconsistent API calls |
| 22:20.27 | Iriel | Why isn't it "RegisterDrag" and "RegisterClicks" |
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| 22:21.29 | Aalny | perhaps because Click and Drag are things the user initiates....whereas Events are something the system initiates.... |
| 22:21.38 | Aalny | the only diff I can see |
| 22:21.45 | kremonte | RegisterForSave :lol: |
| 22:22.11 | Iriel | I think slouken just wasn't feeling overly consistent those days |
| 22:29.18 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Ok I really am having trouble understanding this. Why do I need "this:RegisterForEvent(...)", if my frame is already registering for events? |
| 22:29.57 | Iriel | Shouryuu|TiePro : Let me set up the situation differently, perhaps it'll make more sense |
| 22:30.12 | Iriel | Shouryuu|TiePro : Where do you currently register your events in your code? |
| 22:30.29 | Shouryuu|TiePro | XML, I think |
| 22:30.56 | Iriel | Well, go look, I thought the whole point here was that your XML had almost nothing in it, and we were going to eliminate it completely |
| 22:31.28 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Aye, I want to get rid of my XML, it has like 5 lines |
| 22:32.33 | Shouryuu|TiePro | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.47 | Iriel | Yes, so, where do you register your events, since it's not in that XML |
| 22:33.08 | Iriel | It's in the BGFlagInfoOnLoad function, right? |
| 22:33.26 | Shouryuu|TiePro | ok so I wasn't registering for events... lol... |
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| 22:36.20 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | I really am lost |
| 22:36.33 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | I think I should go to sleep and hope my brain turns on someday |
| 22:36.44 | Iriel | Why not pastebin your lua codwe |
| 22:36.55 | Iriel | It may be much simpler to explain that way |
| 22:38.13 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | http://pastebin.com/636672 |
| 22:38.56 | Iriel | Ah, I see why you're having many problems |
| 22:39.11 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | lol |
| 22:40.59 | Tem | oh, aye, I see it too |
| 22:42.17 | Iriel | http://pastebin.com/636682 |
| 22:42.46 | Iriel | Oh, wait, you have more bugs |
| 22:43.05 | Iriel | You forgot quotes around the event names in your tests too |
| 22:43.15 | Iriel | you need event == "PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED" not event == PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGEX |
| 22:43.21 | Iriel | s/X/D/ |
| 22:43.30 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | aye |
| 22:43.34 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | thank you very much :P |
| 22:43.37 | Tem | might want to use UnitCanAttack("player","target" as well |
| 22:43.45 | Tem | instead of UnitIsFriend |
| 22:43.50 | krka | so many bugs :/ |
| 22:43.56 | krka | barely looks like Lua at all |
| 22:43.59 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | I know I know... |
| 22:44.05 | Tem | oh nevermind |
| 22:44.08 | Tem | it won't matter |
| 22:44.13 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | But hey, I don't know how to program :( |
| 22:44.18 | krka | missed .. at a few places too |
| 22:44.33 | krka | and the function call in the xml |
| 22:44.34 | Tem | well, it might matter while dead |
| 22:44.54 | Iriel | Well, the XML is dead in the new version |
| 22:44.56 | krka | and "or" doesn't work that way |
| 22:45.02 | krka | if x == a or b |
| 22:45.07 | krka | you probably mean if x == a or x == b |
| 22:45.22 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | I mean either |
| 22:45.32 | Iriel | indeed, you need to change that last if |
| 22:45.40 | krka | also, don't compare UnitIsFriend with false |
| 22:45.43 | Iriel | I'll note my pass through the code was just to change it from needing XML to not |
| 22:45.49 | krka | just use "not UnitIsFriend" |
| 22:45.54 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | ahhh indeed |
| 22:45.55 | Iriel | Though I did make the 'false' comment 8-) |
| 22:45.59 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | you did |
| 22:46.00 | krka | i am pretty sure blizzard returns nil if false |
| 22:46.05 | krka | oh sorry |
| 22:46.09 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | But I wasn't sure if it worked with false |
| 22:46.12 | Iriel | that's fine, I didn't look at the or thing |
| 22:46.13 | krka | i haven't read everything before :) |
| 22:46.26 | Iriel | between the 3 of us we can probably find all of the bugs |
| 22:46.27 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 22:46.38 | Tem | damn I'm still all grogy |
| 22:46.44 | krka | also, you'r indentation style is bad :P |
| 22:47.20 | cladhaire | =) |
| 22:47.26 | cladhaire | I've been looking at that this afternoon |
| 22:47.34 | krka | Iriel, are you kidding? |
| 22:47.45 | krka | the internal method doesn't _create_ garbage in the first place |
| 22:48.00 | Iriel | No, i'm not kidding |
| 22:48.18 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | krka Why is my indentation style bad? =( |
| 22:48.23 | Iriel | In theory my implemention should be at worst one-table-size worse |
| 22:48.28 | Iriel | But it's substantially more than that |
| 22:48.37 | kremonte | fankriss time |
| 22:48.41 | kremonte | wonder if we can 1shot him |
| 22:48.47 | krka | yours is basically: <allocate memory> <system notices too much memory used> <system calls collectgarbage()> |
| 22:48.56 | Iriel | Yes correct |
| 22:48.59 | krka | obviously just calling collectgarbage() will be faster |
| 22:49.05 | Iriel | I'm not talking about FASTER |
| 22:49.13 | Iriel | I'm talking about HOW MUCH MEMORY IS FREED |
| 22:49.15 | krka | ah... more memory freed? |
| 22:49.19 | krka | sorry, misunderstod |
| 22:49.30 | krka | s/od/ood/ |
| 22:49.52 | krka | well, how much off are you? |
| 22:50.13 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | Well thank you very much everyone :P |
| 22:50.20 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | now, time for sleep |
| 22:50.28 | krka | i guess the auto-GC is lazy |
| 22:50.32 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.33 | Shouryu|CodeNoob | quit |
| 22:50.35 | krka | and does as little work as possible |
| 22:50.39 | krka | gnight |
| 22:50.42 | krka | damn |
| 22:50.51 | Iriel | The problem seems to be releasing the internal string buffer |
| 22:50.53 | krka | while the forced collect-garbage frees up as much as possible |
| 22:51.20 | Iriel | I dont think there's any difference between the two |
| 22:52.53 | krka | btw, anyone feel that before implementing your addon idea you need to specify the design goals to yourself and just keep having more and more cool ideas so that you won't ever be able to build it all? and then you have to force yourself to lower your goals so that you can actually do it? |
| 22:53.05 | AnduinLothar | http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/30/world-of-warcraft-pwning-teh-pc-games-market/ |
| 22:54.01 | Iriel | krka: Yes, that's actually true of more or less any non-trivial development effort |
| 22:54.04 | AnduinLothar | krka, i don't make programming goals... i just kinda program in spurts and have a giant list of ideas written down that i may or may not get to |
| 22:54.05 | Iriel | software or otherwise |
| 22:54.31 | Iriel | unless you dont care when/if you 'finish' or can release something |
| 22:54.34 | krka | yeah, i usually do it that way too AnduinLothar |
| 22:54.48 | AnduinLothar | there isn't as much motivation to have a 'complete' product in this market |
| 22:54.51 | krka | but this will be so advanced that adding features later will be difficult |
| 22:54.59 | krka | so i have to decide on scope firswt |
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| 22:55.23 | AnduinLothar | abstraction can slow things down while writing, but makes your life easier later for the most part |
| 22:55.23 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : True, but there is a pyschological element to that for the developer him or herself |
| 22:55.51 | Iriel | krka: Hm, I'd be concerned about that statement |
| 22:55.53 | krka | with the unix mindset of just doing one thing, i have so far managed to do quite well |
| 22:56.06 | AnduinLothar | i like to pupblish things, but i have no qualm publishing unfinnished products |
| 22:56.13 | krka | don't think that works for this one... want it to be easy to use |
| 22:56.32 | Iriel | krka: You should usually design stuff so that adding features later is NOT difficult (by modifying existing behavior, or by using something else to add the extra functionality (the latter being more unixy)) |
| 22:56.57 | krka | i agree, but some designs will limit that |
| 22:57.06 | AnduinLothar | my reputation is only marginally important to me in this market and i'm prolific enough that if i put out crap i can wash it away with all the other things i've published |
| 22:57.14 | krka | there are tradeoffs between ease of use and lots of features |
| 22:58.04 | AnduinLothar | but i have fun abstracting things most of the time |
| 22:58.20 | AnduinLothar | providing they're still efficient |
| 22:58.53 | krka | yeah, me too |
| 22:59.23 | Iriel | krka: I guess it depends on whether the new fucntionality is within or outside of the 'designed high level scope' of the component |
| 22:59.25 | krka | most people tend to fear that GRAB is inefficient, given that it does lots of things OnUpdate :) |
| 22:59.55 | Iriel | I do think it's a good idea to decide what your tool should be able to do, in general, |
| 23:00.04 | AnduinLothar | CastOptions was pretty bad, but i just got muge motivated enough to fix it and now there's no loss |
| 23:00.05 | krka | yeah |
| 23:00.20 | Iriel | even if you have no plans on implementing much of that up front, just make sure things within that set can be added more easily |
| 23:00.37 | Tem | interesting read AnduinLothar |
| 23:00.43 | krka | currently, grab only supports a simple list of actions to perform, and it performs the first one that is possible |
| 23:00.53 | krka | i might want it to handle grouping and stuff |
| 23:00.58 | krka | but that complicates GUI |
| 23:01.21 | krka | also, currently you can only customize spell, rank, condition and target |
| 23:01.33 | krka | do i want to add stuff for controlling button transparency and size? |
| 23:01.36 | krka | et.c. |
| 23:01.53 | krka | (that second thing shouldn't be hard to add after though) |
| 23:01.56 | Tem | alright time for me to leave |
| 23:02.00 | Tem | later guys |
| 23:02.02 | krka | later |
| 23:06.26 | krka | time for sleep i guess, night |
| 23:07.09 | Iriel | Hm, I wonder... |
| 23:07.32 | Cairenn | ... rednow I ,mH |
| 23:08.31 | krka | Brillant cair |
| 23:08.47 | Cairenn | sweet dreams krka :) |
| 23:08.48 | krka | whoa... if i place cairenns line after iriels line, it becomes a palindrome! |
| 23:08.57 | krka | what are the odds? |
| 23:09.05 | ckknight | lol |
| 23:09.22 | krka | whoa! ckknights line is ALSO a palindrome |
| 23:09.30 | krka | this is freaking me out |
| 23:09.46 | ckknight | you know what's a weird movie? Palindromes |
| 23:09.59 | krka | that's a movie? |
| 23:10.13 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:10.34 | krka | right, to sleep it was |
| 23:10.35 | ckknight | it's about a socially awkward girl who keeps trying to get pregnant |
| 23:12.44 | ckknight | but it's really weird and confusing |
| 23:21.07 | hoffe | hmm do i need to have /script SpellStopCasting(); in a macro to use nature swiftness and cast a spell right after that? |
| 23:21.13 | Iriel | yes |
| 23:21.32 | hoffe | hmm so why the heck do i have to press the button twice? :S |
| 23:22.23 | Iriel | Without seeing the entirety of your macro, how are we supposed to answer that? |
| 23:22.35 | hoffe | ok here u go then :D |
| 23:23.09 | hoffe | ./script SpellStopCasting(); |
| 23:23.27 | hoffe | ./cast HealingWave(rank9) |
| 23:23.30 | hoffe | erm oops |
| 23:23.48 | hoffe | ./cast nature swiftness is on the top before those aswell |
| 23:24.00 | hoffe | without any possible typos etc |
| 23:26.51 | hoffe | http://wow.pastebin.com/636750 |
| 23:26.59 | hoffe | there u have the 2 different ones |
| 23:29.40 | Iriel | Are you MOVING when you try it? |
| 23:29.57 | hoffe | hmm i could be |
| 23:30.05 | Iriel | It doesn't work if you're moving |
| 23:30.07 | Iriel | only when you're stopped |
| 23:30.18 | hoffe | ah so you cant ns and then just cast the spell any longer either? |
| 23:30.32 | Iriel | I believe it NEVER worked when you were moving |
| 23:30.41 | hoffe | did before |
| 23:30.56 | hoffe | i could run and "make" my heal an instant |
| 23:30.59 | hoffe | and it did get cast |
| 23:31.33 | hoffe | ah yep that seems to be it |
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| 23:42.18 | Ktron | I wish I could link Ktron|afk, Ktron|zzz, and Ktron|WoW for ex. to Ktron with the nickserv so I didn't have to reid all the time |
| 23:42.56 | Legorol | you can register all of them |
| 23:42.58 | Cairenn | you can |
| 23:43.04 | Cairenn | register them all then /link |
| 23:43.10 | hoffe | oh legorol |
| 23:43.25 | hoffe | i can confirm that my macro dont work with around 35+members online :P |
| 23:43.48 | Legorol | hoffe = groll? |
| 23:43.53 | hoffe | arf |
| 23:44.04 | Legorol | hah, i don't beleive you! |
| 23:44.06 | Legorol | pretender |
| 23:44.11 | Legorol | where's the real groll? |
| 23:44.17 | Legorol | have you kidnapped him? |
| 23:44.18 | groll | i AM the real groll :P |
| 23:44.21 | groll | now fix ;PÅ |
| 23:44.23 | groll | -å |
| 23:44.37 | groll | pretty plz ;P |
| 23:44.39 | Ktron | Cairenn, you can't register a nick that starts with another nick bar |
| 23:44.46 | Legorol | unfortunately, i have just fried my computer this afternoon |
| 23:44.48 | Cairenn | I did |
| 23:44.52 | Ktron | Cairenn, hm |
| 23:44.57 | groll | Legorol ouch :S |
| 23:44.57 | Legorol | i'm using a friend's machine briefly, so i won't be on much :( |
| 23:45.04 | Ktron | Cairenn, maybe I'm just using register wrong heh |
| 23:45.06 | Legorol | it will take a bit to get it fixed |
| 23:45.10 | groll | darn heh |
| 23:45.19 | groll | anyone else i could bug about it? :P |
| 23:45.20 | Cairenn | I've got Cairenn, Cair, Cairenn|sleep, Cair|sleep, Cairenn|afk, Cair|afk all /registered all /linked |
| 23:45.51 | Legorol | so Cairenn, let me get this straight: all you ever do is chat here, not char here, and sleep? |
| 23:45.59 | Legorol | and maybe occasionally change your nick depending on your mood... |
| 23:46.10 | Legorol | *char -> chat |
| 23:46.35 | Cairenn | if I'm afk, who knows what it is that I am or am not doing |
| 23:46.56 | Legorol | irrelevant details... you are not chatting if you are afk, that's what matters |
| 23:47.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:47.26 | Legorol | not chatting on IRC that is |
| 23:47.32 | kremonte | fankriss down |
| 23:47.34 | kremonte | :-) |
| 23:47.42 | kremonte | more plate crap tho |
| 23:49.12 | Ktron | Cairenn, you win |
| 23:49.14 | Ktron | and I lose heh |
| 23:49.20 | Cairenn | hehhehe |
| 23:49.38 | Cairenn | but you win, too |
| 23:49.51 | Cairenn | since you get to do that which is it that you wanted to be able to do, after all |
| 23:50.47 | Ktron | that's true |
| 23:51.51 | Ktron | We'll see if I can play wow and do the other thing I wanted too heh |
| 23:51.53 | Ktron | yep |
| 23:51.55 | Ktron | finally |
| 23:53.13 | Iriel | Well, it would appear that lua only allocates a fairly small buffer size for string manipulation |
| 23:53.28 | ckknight | oh? |
| 23:53.54 | Iriel | So i'm wondering why this piece of code I have doesnt crash horribly |
| 23:54.08 | L|Elviso | how small? |
| 23:54.20 | Iriel | 8k by defaulr |
| 23:54.25 | Iriel | defaulT |
| 23:54.51 | L|Elviso | for the string itself, I assume? |
| 23:55.10 | Legorol | Iriel, i have used larger strings than that |
| 23:55.26 | Iriel | This is for the scratch space used by functions like string.rep |
| 23:55.30 | Iriel | I'm SURE I'm missing something here |
| 23:55.41 | Iriel | because I too am using strings VASTLY larger than that |
| 23:55.56 | Iriel | I just wish I could figure out how |
| 23:57.53 | L|Elviso | WoW uses a modified implementation of LUA, no? perhaps they changed the allocation limit for strings |
| 23:58.06 | Iriel | I'm doing this experiment in stand alone lua |
| 23:58.17 | L|Elviso | erm, scratch that then :) |
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| 23:59.32 | Iriel | but it's letting me do it quite happily |
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