| 00:07.38 | kremonte | i have accomplished what few nerds have. |
| 00:07.50 | Depherios | ? |
| 00:07.50 | kremonte | i have stayed in the outdoors for more than 63.1579 minutes. |
| 00:08.01 | Kirov | *gasp* |
| 00:08.02 | Depherios | I do that, but only because I don't drive |
| 00:08.07 | Depherios | so I have to walk everywhere |
| 00:14.35 | Legorol | based on Iriel's idea about owner == valid, updated the tooltip pseudo-code: http://www.wowwiki.com/Tooltip_Pseudo_Code |
| 00:14.44 | Legorol | i think it's now very very close to being perfect :-) |
| 00:16.33 | Iriel | Does being in my car count as 'stayed in the outdoors' ? |
| 00:17.25 | Legorol | i think so |
| 00:17.34 | Legorol | especially if you lower the window to get some quality smog |
| 00:19.06 | Iriel | We dont have much smog here |
| 00:19.21 | Iriel | Presently the windows remain closed so as to to get quality rain |
| 00:22.52 | Legorol | Iriel, if in the future anyone asks about tooltips, you can just point them here: |
| 00:22.54 | Legorol | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_GameTooltip |
| 00:23.06 | Legorol | i have all the notes there, and 2 possible recommended ways of using them |
| 00:23.14 | Legorol | with XML and Lua example |
| 00:23.56 | Iriel | Nice, slashdot just went OMG Ponies pink |
| 00:24.12 | Iriel | Legorol : I've been doing that already, i'll continue to do so 8-) |
| 00:24.19 | Legorol | ok thanks :-) |
| 00:24.30 | Legorol | hmm, maybe i should move the notes to the bottom of the page, they are pretty daunting |
| 00:24.37 | Legorol | the practical examples should come first, i think |
| 00:25.16 | Iriel | A structure something like "Important Things To Know" then "Examples" then "Technical Details", perhaps, in that order? |
| 00:28.25 | groll | bah what it up with curse these days.. bah :/ |
| 00:28.34 | Iriel | Patch week |
| 00:29.00 | groll | ya well it was up then down then up then down and so on |
| 00:30.58 | Legorol | ok, done with my daily tooltip brainstorming :-) |
| 00:31.01 | Legorol | time to fix some bugs |
| 00:31.11 | Legorol | but first! got to read 4/1 jokes |
| 00:32.48 | Kirov | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/imageviewer.html?/burningcrusade/,images/screenshots/,41,42,/burningcrusade/townhall/wisps.html - bwahahaha |
| 00:33.40 | Legorol | ehm.. i think the dating on those posts on the US site is unfortunate |
| 00:33.52 | Legorol | they are dated 3/31, just like the new realms |
| 00:34.00 | Legorol | so they are either all true, or the new realms are also a joke :p |
| 00:34.03 | Kirov | yeah |
| 00:35.30 | groll | oh Legorol u think it's possible to make the buffbot buff urself even if u have a friendly targeted? |
| 00:36.54 | Maldivia | eek... anyone checked out http://slashdot.org/ |
| 00:37.04 | Iriel | I said that 5 mins ago 8-) |
| 00:37.15 | Kirov | I like it. |
| 00:37.34 | Ktron | pink pwnies |
| 00:38.02 | Maldivia | yeah, hopefully they'll pull it down again after 24 hours... |
| 00:38.04 | Legorol | "Moonfire Spam"... bruhahaha! |
| 00:38.08 | Legorol | that's my favourite |
| 00:39.42 | Ktron | :: Murlocs |
| 00:39.53 | Ktron | not even kidding |
| 00:39.54 | Iriel | Murlocs dont speak common |
| 00:40.00 | Maldivia | you mean that screenshor, with a murloc in gear ? |
| 00:40.09 | kremonte | wowmodelviewer |
| 00:40.13 | kremonte | dustwallow screenshot |
| 00:40.13 | Legorol | i heard something about a set of fake 1.11 patch notes |
| 00:40.15 | Legorol | where can i find it? |
| 00:40.21 | Iriel | Legorol : UI forum, US |
| 00:40.22 | kremonte | and Maldivia: the most obvious part imho |
| 00:40.28 | kremonte | level 60 in might. |
| 00:40.30 | Ktron | kremonte, mapping the gear onto the murloc would be doable, but hard |
| 00:40.38 | kremonte | not very |
| 00:40.40 | kremonte | anyway |
| 00:40.42 | kremonte | it's level 60. |
| 00:40.43 | kremonte | in might. |
| 00:40.47 | Ktron | murlocs don't have though attachments |
| 00:40.48 | Ktron | so? |
| 00:40.50 | Legorol | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=7709800&p=1&tmp=1#post7709800: ROFL |
| 00:40.50 | kremonte | murloc in burning crusade. you know, level 70. |
| 00:41.00 | kremonte | why would they make atest character at 60 ~_~ |
| 00:41.02 | Ktron | No, they could be testing the new level 60 content |
| 00:41.11 | Ktron | Testing the quests to reach hero levels |
| 00:41.11 | kremonte | as a murloc? heh |
| 00:41.14 | kremonte | and um |
| 00:41.19 | kremonte | he's using the default murloc spear |
| 00:41.21 | Ktron | Yeah, test the new character and the new content together |
| 00:41.24 | kremonte | that 90% of murlocs in the game have |
| 00:41.30 | Maldivia | 1.11 patch notes: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-sargeras&t=168092&p=1&tmp=1#post168092 |
| 00:41.38 | Maldivia | :) |
| 00:43.25 | Ktron | I imagine they just gave themselves the equipment |
| 00:43.49 | Ktron | beyond that, they released, out of the blue like 10 pages of murloc lore |
| 00:44.07 | Ktron | and they say the new race is 'going to be a surprise' |
| 00:44.30 | Ktron | I can't think of any race right now that could potentially be the new race that would be more surprising |
| 00:44.41 | kremonte | well i don't have any idea why they'd make a toon level 60 with might and a grey spear just to test content, considering the wepaon is the most important part of a warrior |
| 00:44.44 | Cide | see |
| 00:44.54 | kremonte | draenei makes most sense, but i'd reroll murloc in a heartbeat |
| 00:44.58 | Cide | that'd be exactly what blizzard would do - announce it was apriol fools and then stick with it |
| 00:44.59 | Ktron | kremonte, its just a model, the spear itself doesn't have to be grey |
| 00:45.08 | Cide | april* |
| 00:45.08 | Ktron | kremonte, maybe it's a 'filler' model for the moment |
| 00:45.19 | kremonte | maybe maybe maybe, i'm talking about what makes the most sense :P |
| 00:45.22 | Cide | but then again, they didn't announce murlocs as april fools |
| 00:45.28 | kremonte | i've never seen any female murlocs either |
| 00:45.28 | kremonte | so |
| 00:45.29 | Ktron | Cide, they did |
| 00:45.32 | Ktron | *didn't |
| 00:45.39 | Cide | exactly :) |
| 00:45.48 | Cide | would've been interesting, though! |
| 00:46.07 | Ktron | I could see murlocs... and it would fit a lot of things, and they'd be easy to place |
| 00:46.20 | Ktron | kremonte, my guess is that female and male murlocs just look a lot alike |
| 00:46.39 | Ktron | kremonte, the differences will be subtle, and not a big deal to add |
| 00:47.00 | Ktron | draenei do have a lot going for them... worgen have some too, and of course, furbolgs do too |
| 00:47.05 | Ktron | but those all are expected heh |
| 00:47.11 | Ktron | and have been for a while |
| 00:47.34 | Ktron | plus, pandaren would have been a craze |
| 00:47.47 | kremonte | well |
| 00:47.50 | Ktron | it'd make sense to replace pandaren with a race that would cause a craze too |
| 00:47.51 | kremonte | all i'm thinking at this point |
| 00:47.53 | Ktron | and I think murlocs would |
| 00:47.56 | kremonte | nothing is confirmed |
| 00:48.01 | Legorol | LOL: |
| 00:48.01 | Legorol | Using friendly emotes will now significantly increase the Infernal and Doomguard's chance to remain loyal to the Warlock. |
| 00:48.01 | Legorol | Friendly emotes are no longer available to the Warlock. |
| 00:48.04 | kremonte | so speculation because of a screenshot is moot imo |
| 00:48.13 | kremonte | also, the lighting in the ss is WAY off |
| 00:48.15 | Ktron | Legorol, lol |
| 00:48.36 | Ktron | http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=396265&poll_id=0&warned=y |
| 00:49.15 | Ktron | kremonte, I know the screenshot is probably a forgery |
| 00:49.25 | Ktron | it just got me thinking about the plausibility |
| 00:49.25 | Ktron | heh |
| 00:49.31 | kremonte | well |
| 00:49.37 | kremonte | i could make a fake screen |
| 00:49.38 | kremonte | but of what? |
| 00:49.40 | Ktron | Blizzard I'm sure is way to careful to let real screenshots out |
| 00:49.48 | kremonte | a murloc warlock? X) |
| 00:49.50 | kremonte | they rhyme |
| 00:49.59 | Ktron | I think the only reason we saw pandaren was become it was after they were vetoed |
| 00:50.04 | Ktron | *because |
| 00:50.39 | Ktron | If I was going to look at a pic and thing it was a race based on that, I'd want it to be a camera picture of a computer with the races on the screen |
| 00:50.58 | kremonte | it makes no difference |
| 00:51.03 | kremonte | open it in fullscreen |
| 00:51.05 | kremonte | take a picture |
| 00:51.15 | Ktron | I know, but most people are less clever than that |
| 00:51.40 | kremonte | you're gonna make me |
| 00:51.41 | kremonte | aren't you |
| 00:51.56 | Ktron | I'm not saying you, or I, or anyone can't do it |
| 00:52.03 | kremonte | i'm making an SS |
| 00:52.03 | Ktron | just that most people probably wouldn't take the efffort |
| 00:52.04 | kremonte | of |
| 00:52.06 | kremonte | a murloc rogue |
| 00:52.10 | kremonte | in westfall |
| 00:52.15 | Ktron | in bloodfang |
| 00:52.17 | kremonte | wearing the red defias bandana |
| 00:52.22 | Ktron | okay |
| 00:52.22 | Legorol | lawl: The use of 'if', 'for' and other flow control statements has been deemed exploitable, and have been removed from the Lua script implementation. |
| 00:52.24 | Ktron | and in bloodfang |
| 00:52.29 | kremonte | no. |
| 00:52.35 | kremonte | see cause |
| 00:52.38 | kremonte | i can get a good base SS |
| 00:52.43 | Legorol | the scary thing is: it could be true!! |
| 00:53.07 | kremonte | Legorol: Modifying DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME is illegal. it cannot be accessed any longer iuhrth4w5987Y%*($&%^$ |
| 00:53.16 | kremonte | Ktron: i have a level 12 or something rogue on Chogall named Jones |
| 00:53.20 | kremonte | i was the first level 7 :D |
| 00:53.22 | kremonte | alliance side at least |
| 00:53.35 | Legorol | kremonte: huh? |
| 00:53.36 | kremonte | then some human rogue |
| 00:53.36 | Ktron | I want you to make a murloc rogue in bloodfang |
| 00:53.38 | kremonte | got to like |
| 00:53.43 | kremonte | levle 13 in 3 minutes |
| 00:54.03 | Legorol | HAHA, US gets the shaft: In order to assist with various upkeep costs, at a designated time NPC vendors will now give players an amount of gold based upon their level. This is currently slated to occur every Tuesday from 6:00 AM to 11:00 AM PST. |
| 00:54.14 | Legorol | EU players can visit them, neener neener |
| 00:54.22 | kremonte | ? |
| 00:54.28 | kremonte | for me that's 9am to 2pm |
| 00:54.37 | Legorol | that time period is right in the middle of the US maintenance, that's the joke about it |
| 00:54.44 | Legorol | however, in EU, the maintenance is not on Tuesday |
| 00:54.46 | kremonte | OHH |
| 00:54.48 | kremonte | TUESDAY |
| 00:54.48 | kremonte | LOLOL |
| 00:54.52 | Depherios | lol |
| 00:55.11 | Legorol | kremonte: you just got it? bruhaha |
| 00:55.15 | Depherios | lol |
| 00:55.30 | kremonte | i skimmed through it |
| 00:55.36 | kremonte | doing 5 things right now |
| 00:55.42 | Legorol | lolol: Additional grass areas have been added to the enemy faction's zones. This grass is exceptionally green. |
| 01:01.50 | Legorol | hmmmmmmm.... is it just me, or the API part of the UI section of the 1.10 patch notes looks extreeeemly familiar |
| 01:12.45 | Aalny | lame. Windrunner seems to have rebooted while I was testing stuff. |
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| 01:20.28 | ToastTheif | id or shouryuu here? |
| 01:36.34 | kremonte | http://dan-rouse.com/sofar.jpg |
| 01:36.35 | kremonte | =O |
| 01:40.42 | Iriel | kremonte : I dont see a go board there!! 8-) |
| 01:40.47 | kremonte | :D |
| 01:40.57 | kremonte | now that you mention it |
| 01:40.59 | kremonte | neither do i |
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| 01:41.51 | Miravlix | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-en&t=39023&p=1&tmp=1#post39023 doh the ClearFont author isn't here |
| 01:42.06 | Miravlix | Someone is asking for help converting from some other ofnt addon to clearfont |
| 01:43.30 | Iriel | I dont think there's much "conversion" necessary |
| 01:43.35 | Iriel | ClearFont has no options |
| 01:43.37 | Iriel | you just install it |
| 01:48.22 | Iriel | Time to start getting out of here |
| 01:50.37 | Miravlix | Does wowi have a macro section? |
| 01:51.14 | Miravlix | the person in question want to convert her font settings to clearfont |
| 02:00.31 | Iriel | I'd suggest she open ClearFont's lua file and poke around |
| 02:02.04 | kremonte | baibai |
| 02:02.04 | Iriel | back late tonight I suspect |
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| 02:04.29 | Miravlix | Pffft |
| 02:04.44 | Miravlix | How am I supposed to make an Image of a feature that turns mouse look on and off |
| 02:05.38 | ckknight | have a dancing bear. |
| 02:06.01 | Miravlix | The addon is a Mouse Look keybinding |
| 02:06.14 | Miravlix | If that isn't a general GUI mode what is. :p |
| 02:07.00 | Miravlix | Misc requires images too |
| 02:07.08 | Miravlix | Guess I'm just going to use Curse instead. |
| 02:08.25 | Cairenn | or you could do what others do if there is no graphical component, then you simply use a filler image |
| 02:08.42 | Cairenn | but by all means, feel free to continue insulting me and my site while making use of my channel |
| 02:10.23 | Miravlix | I'm neither insulting you nor your site |
| 02:10.47 | Cairenn | "***Miravlix kicks wowi for being dumb" |
| 02:11.15 | Cairenn | perhaps you might consider asking *why* we require images? |
| 02:11.53 | Miravlix | I think, I've explained myself in quite some detail as to why I have an issue with the image requirement |
| 02:13.09 | Miravlix | If you take offense at me having a different opinion than you, then there is nothing I can do to help that situation. |
| 02:13.40 | Cairenn | you don't know what my opinion is, you still haven't asked |
| 02:13.55 | Miravlix | I didn't know you where alive and here |
| 02:14.05 | Miravlix | So who says I'm not going to ask when I find out? |
| 02:15.50 | Tain | Need. http://www.vstone.co.jp/top/products/robot/TV_T28/t28_about.html |
| 02:16.40 | kremonte | GIGANTOR |
| 02:16.42 | kremonte | GIGAAAAAAAAAANTOR |
| 02:17.24 | Legorol | hello folks |
| 02:17.30 | Legorol | is there a coder here that uses a Mac? |
| 02:17.33 | Legorol | (except AnduinLothar) |
| 02:17.59 | kremonte | What's a Mac? |
| 02:18.10 | Legorol | I'm wondering what are the equivalents of IsAltKeyDown, IsShiftKeyDown and IsControlKeyDown |
| 02:18.21 | Legorol | i mean the WoW functions are the same, but what type of key do they mean on a Mac? |
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| 02:26.33 | Tain | Shift, Control, and Alt. Pretty sure the Apple key is a separate key like the Windows key is on some Win keyboards. |
| 02:28.16 | Tain | Yeah, on a Mac it's the same keys, just Alt is Alt/Option |
| 02:32.07 | Ktron| | kremonte, how'd the screenshots turn out? |
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| 03:11.08 | Osagasu | FINALLY |
| 03:11.30 | Osagasu | After over a year play time, I have a character high enough to be useful in end game instances |
| 03:11.37 | Osagasu | Still not 60 though. >.> |
| 03:17.14 | Legorol | lol, Osagasu, are you also one of us who has more /coded than /played? |
| 03:17.41 | Legorol | i'd been playing this game since the Betas and i don't have a 60 yet :D |
| 03:19.10 | Cairenn | that makes 2 of us Lego |
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| 03:20.30 | Cairenn | and I refuse to have a 60 until after the expansion and the level cap increase ;) |
| 03:22.26 | Legorol | interesting |
| 03:22.33 | Legorol | i very much would lke to reach it before the expansion |
| 03:22.38 | Legorol | i'm the other way round, i'm thinking: |
| 03:22.50 | Legorol | if i dont reach 60 until then, i will never experience the current lvl 60 end-game |
| 03:22.56 | Legorol | it will be gone forever once the expansion is out |
| 03:22.59 | Legorol | and will shift elsewhere |
| 03:23.10 | Legorol | actually, that's an interesting point i always wondered |
| 03:23.20 | Legorol | they put so much effort into balancing a lot of the current end-game content for 60s |
| 03:23.31 | Legorol | how will they stop that content from getting trivial with new level cap? |
| 03:23.39 | Legorol | but i'm sure Blizzard has thought of this too |
| 03:25.12 | Codayus | Not everyone will get the expansion, I suppose. |
| 03:27.37 | Legorol | Wahey! I finally got a Yahoo! Mail Beta invite |
| 03:27.45 | Legorol | it looks awesome, the new yahoo mail |
| 03:27.57 | zeeg | hrm |
| 03:28.11 | zeeg | Would anyone here happen to be skilled in c# or vb (.net) |
| 03:28.23 | Legorol | what counts as "skilled" |
| 03:28.39 | Legorol | i'm a skilled coder with experience, but not in those languages |
| 03:28.45 | Legorol | i know the basics of those languages though |
| 03:28.47 | zeeg | that counts as not skilled :) |
| 03:28.56 | Legorol | does it have to be specifically those languages? |
| 03:29.00 | zeeg | Im thinking about doing the new wgp open-source |
| 03:29.04 | Legorol | or are you looking for someone with .NET knowledge |
| 03:29.16 | zeeg | not specifically .NET, but I want to do it in .NET 2.0 |
| 03:29.31 | Legorol | open source is a good idea |
| 03:30.52 | zeeg | BUT |
| 03:30.54 | zeeg | im only going open source |
| 03:30.59 | zeeg | if i can find some people to volunteer time to help |
| 03:31.43 | zeeg | This version's going to be a lot more flexible for the end-user, as well as simplified, but I really want to target guilds and related people who need data sent to their sites as well |
| 03:44.47 | Legorol | zeeg, actually Blizzard's April's Fool jokes are not early |
| 03:45.00 | Legorol | they were released in Korea and Europe on 1st April in both places, respectively |
| 03:45.14 | Legorol | they then had to release in US too, otherwise people get the scoop in Europe instead |
| 03:45.40 | Legorol | it's called a worldwide simultaneous release spamming 20 time zones, most of which were on 1st April when it was released |
| 03:46.18 | Miravlix | And I'm published! |
| 03:46.26 | Miravlix | So now I don't have to perish (sp?) |
| 03:49.20 | zeeg | bah |
| 03:49.45 | zeeg | Blizzard is always a day or two off on announcements though, this wouldnt have looked any dif :p |
| 03:52.15 | Osagasu | Blizzard has said Rag will be able to be 20 manned with level 70 players |
| 03:53.03 | Osagasu | So it wouldn't surprise me if they rebalanced to have a high 50s-low 60s MC and a high 60s-70 MC |
| 03:53.20 | Osagasu | with the level 70 one being balanced for 20 man. but that's me |
| 03:55.59 | Legorol | and that's exactly it |
| 03:56.10 | Legorol | once the expansion is out, i won't be able to get a 40-man raid going into MC |
| 03:56.16 | Legorol | i would have forever missed out on that opportunity |
| 03:56.28 | Miravlix | MC is 5manned |
| 03:56.29 | Legorol | i don't like it when a possible game element is closed, and if you never tried, you never can |
| 03:56.35 | Miravlix | after the expansion, Leg |
| 03:56.39 | Miravlix | Don't worry. :) |
| 03:56.40 | Legorol | even worse |
| 03:57.04 | Miravlix | You can't get 5 man together every once in a blue moon to do MC? |
| 03:57.24 | Legorol | the point is that i want to go with 40 lvl 60s |
| 03:57.29 | Legorol | once the expansion is out, that will never happen |
| 03:57.38 | Legorol | yes i can get 5 people at lvl 70 |
| 03:57.50 | Legorol | but that means that a currently existing, exciting end-game content is removed from the game |
| 03:58.03 | Legorol | i'm really curious about what blizz will do about this |
| 03:58.09 | Miravlix | nothing |
| 03:58.27 | Legorol | they put too much time and effort developing the current end-game content to let it all go to waste |
| 03:58.32 | Legorol | they will think of something |
| 03:58.37 | Miravlix | It wont be waisted |
| 03:58.43 | Miravlix | it will be the new scholomance |
| 03:58.49 | Miravlix | UBRS, DM |
| 03:58.53 | Legorol | exactly |
| 03:58.58 | Legorol | those are done routinely |
| 03:59.02 | Legorol | not as exciting, epic battles |
| 03:59.05 | Miravlix | Ppl will do the current raid contense as 5 man dungeons |
| 03:59.10 | Legorol | those are not the "challenges" |
| 03:59.30 | Legorol | that's why i am saying that an aspect of the game (40-man epic MC raids) will be gone forever |
| 03:59.35 | Miravlix | There is nothing fun or exciting about farming MC for 6+ months |
| 03:59.42 | Legorol | i have never been in MC |
| 03:59.48 | Legorol | i would like to take part in a 40-man raid there |
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| 03:59.52 | kremonte | nexus are LBS in expansion |
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| 04:00.01 | Miravlix | Then learn to level? |
| 04:00.09 | Legorol | once expansion is out, i will not be able to do so anymore |
| 04:00.10 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 04:00.15 | Legorol | that's why i want to get to 60 before expansion |
| 04:00.15 | Miravlix | Blizzard can't screw everyone else over just for your benefit |
| 04:00.23 | kremonte | Miravlix: being 60 does not guarantee MC raids |
| 04:00.28 | Legorol | i am not saying they should do something for my benefit |
| 04:00.41 | Miravlix | No, but the expansion wil guarentee 10 man MC raids |
| 04:00.49 | Legorol | probably |
| 04:00.53 | kremonte | he's talking about the experience. you said "learn to level" |
| 04:00.54 | Miravlix | So WE are all going to enjoy the contense |
| 04:00.56 | Legorol | my guess is that Blizzard doesn't necessarily want that |
| 04:01.00 | Miravlix | just a little later than the raid guilds |
| 04:01.18 | kremonte | trust me, doing an instance 40 man is so much more different |
| 04:01.23 | Legorol | i know |
| 04:01.26 | Legorol | that's why i want to |
| 04:01.31 | Legorol | it sounds exciting, challenging and fun |
| 04:01.35 | Legorol | kremonte, i dont' want to play easy-mode |
| 04:01.39 | Miravlix | There is a ton of new 40 man contense in the expansion |
| 04:01.47 | Miravlix | You just have to try to go for that instead |
| 04:01.49 | Legorol | which will require me to get to the new level cap |
| 04:01.52 | kremonte | Miravlix: but not MC 40 man content. that's what lego is talking about -.- |
| 04:01.52 | Esamynn | a Guildie of mine said that at BlizzCon they said that in the expansion, instances like MC will be rebalanced for lvl 70 |
| 04:01.53 | Miravlix | 40 man wont disapper with the expansion |
| 04:01.58 | Legorol | as kremonte said |
| 04:02.11 | Legorol | what i am saying is that one aspect of the game, i.e. 40-man MC, will be gone |
| 04:02.13 | Miravlix | Mc is just a dungeon and it isn't even 40 man anymore |
| 04:02.20 | Miravlix | takes 30 druids to do it |
| 04:02.22 | kremonte | o noes, 35 man :-( |
| 04:02.37 | Miravlix | I'm sure a propper class balance raid can do it with far less |
| 04:02.46 | Legorol | all i am saying, without talking specifics about one particular instance, |
| 04:02.46 | Miravlix | MC 40 man is gone already. :/ |
| 04:02.53 | Legorol | that the expansion will remove some content from the game |
| 04:02.54 | kremonte | i do MC 40 man all the time. |
| 04:03.00 | Legorol | i consider 40-man MC run content |
| 04:03.03 | Legorol | that's all i am saying |
| 04:03.06 | Legorol | nothing more, nothing less |
| 04:03.07 | kremonte | MC 40 man will be inexistant at BC |
| 04:03.18 | Legorol | i don't expect blizzard to maintain it on my account |
| 04:03.29 | Legorol | all i am saying is that i'd like to get to 60 before expansion, before it's gone |
| 04:03.45 | Legorol | the idea of losing content irks me, that's all |
| 04:03.52 | Miravlix | Games changes and we miss out on stuff if we aren't 'ready' when it happends, that just MMORPGS |
| 04:03.53 | Esamynn | if you are leveling a character now, I would expect it to be difficult to not hit 60 before the expansion |
| 04:03.59 | Legorol | as long as they were only adding content, the possibility of doing it one day has always been there |
| 04:04.09 | Legorol | Esamynn: i have been playing this game since the Betas |
| 04:04.12 | Legorol | my highest lvl is 46 |
| 04:04.16 | Legorol | at this rate, i will not hit 60 |
| 04:04.17 | Miravlix | I did Alterac Valley when it first came out and got a radically different experince than you can get in AV now |
| 04:04.20 | kremonte | you can get 60 in no time, lego |
| 04:04.21 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 04:04.23 | kremonte | my warrior is 46 at the moment |
| 04:04.25 | Tain | Content comes and goes, that's the nature of a changing game. |
| 04:04.32 | kremonte | WoW changes? |
| 04:04.40 | Legorol | Tain, Blizzard has done a pretty good job at only adding content and not removing, so far |
| 04:04.46 | Legorol | and i do understand that content can go |
| 04:04.53 | Legorol | at no point did i say that i think it's a bad idea |
| 04:04.57 | Legorol | i think in fact that it's a good idea |
| 04:05.04 | Legorol | all i am saying is that i'd like to get to that content before its' gone |
| 04:05.08 | kremonte | http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7412/1969/400/Patch110.jpg |
| 04:05.09 | kremonte | lawl |
| 04:05.09 | Miravlix | I wonder if the ring I got in AV is considered an unique this days, I don't think it drops from the Icelord anymore? |
| 04:05.52 | Miravlix | And I got it from solo killing the Ice Lord, something people will never get to do |
| 04:06.31 | Miravlix | Thats my reward for being 60 at that time. |
| 04:07.07 | Tain | I suppose I'm just too jaded. I got sick of MC by the 3rd boss and haven't been back. |
| 04:07.46 | Esamynn | Tain: were you with a guild that was learning MC or just clearing it? |
| 04:09.06 | Tain | Learning |
| 04:10.08 | Tain | Back when everyone was learning. |
| 04:10.16 | Esamynn | The serpents are a little repepative, but Garr was an interesting one to learn |
| 04:10.36 | Esamynn | got old fast, but still |
| 04:10.39 | kremonte | ever do BWL? |
| 04:10.55 | Tain | Nope, MC reminded me of why I quit playing EQ. |
| 04:11.02 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 04:11.04 | kremonte | here's a rundown, from area to area in BWL (learning it) |
| 04:11.07 | Tain | "Hardcore" raiding blows. |
| 04:11.10 | Tain | for me. |
| 04:11.24 | kremonte | fun, really fun, boring, easy, kinda fun, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, kinda fun, boring, fun, fun, fun, boring-boring-boring- |
| 04:11.24 | Esamynn | BWL is much neater than MC, and AQ is even better |
| 04:11.30 | Tain | I'll take a 5 man group any day. |
| 04:11.33 | kremonte | notice the gap between the fun. |
| 04:11.35 | kremonte | AQ? |
| 04:11.40 | kremonte | let's see |
| 04:12.06 | Tain | Being in a serious raiding guild is like having a second full-time job that I don't get paid for. |
| 04:12.09 | kremonte | fun, boring, boring, cool, fun, boring, boring, boring, booooring, fun, boring, easycakes, boring, boring, fun, fun, boring, fun, boring |
| 04:12.19 | kremonte | Tain: PLEASE never make that analogy. |
| 04:12.26 | kremonte | my guild is a "hardcore" raiding guild |
| 04:12.27 | Tain | It's exactly how it feels to me. |
| 04:12.32 | kremonte | 5 hours on saturday, 5 hours on sunday |
| 04:12.34 | kremonte | that's a job? |
| 04:12.40 | Esamynn | kremonte: could you please give me some sort of reference in those long string? :P |
| 04:12.41 | kremonte | yeesh, if that is, must be a world of slackers.. |
| 04:12.47 | kremonte | ok, let's take bwl |
| 04:12.48 | Esamynn | s/string/strings/ |
| 04:12.49 | Tain | That's not exactly the same kind of "hardcore" as I'm used to. |
| 04:12.56 | kremonte | "fun, really fun, boring, easy, kinda fun, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, kinda fun, boring, fun, fun, fun, boring-boring-boring-" |
| 04:13.00 | kremonte | fun - razorgore fight |
| 04:13.03 | kremonte | really fun - vael fight |
| 04:13.06 | kremonte | boring - supression room |
| 04:13.11 | kremonte | easy - broodlord himself |
| 04:13.14 | kremonte | kinda fun - firemaw |
| 04:13.17 | kremonte | boring - trash mobs |
| 04:13.18 | Tain | Actually the hell with that, that can't even be remotely considered hardcore. That's just weekly raids. |
| 04:13.23 | Esamynn | ahh ok |
| 04:13.23 | kremonte | boring - more trash mobs |
| 04:13.29 | kremonte | boring - some more trash mobs |
| 04:13.34 | Esamynn | lol |
| 04:13.34 | kremonte | boring - carbon copy of firemaw |
| 04:13.39 | kremonte | boring - carbon copy of firemaw |
| 04:13.48 | kremonte | kinda fun - chromaggus |
| 04:14.00 | kremonte | boring - LOL WE'RE UP TO NEF LET'S LOG OFF FOR A MONTH |
| 04:14.03 | kremonte | fun, fun, fun - nef |
| 04:14.10 | kremonte | boring-boring-boring - doing the instance again. |
| 04:14.18 | kremonte | Tain: eh? |
| 04:14.26 | Esamynn | hold on, you took a month break from killing Chromie to killing nef? |
| 04:14.40 | kremonte | no, but that's when the "fuckkkkkkkkk" scenario comse in |
| 04:14.56 | kremonte | it's 40 people. you think every one of them is motivated to spend 200g in repairs because the first two weeks you got red/black drakonids? |
| 04:15.07 | Esamynn | ewwww |
| 04:15.23 | kremonte | Tain: 2.5hr MC, 2.5hr up to chromaggus, saturday, kill chrom, find out nef color, aq for 4 hours |
| 04:15.29 | kremonte | kill nef monday night, takes an hour or two |
| 04:15.37 | kremonte | that's 3 40 man instances |
| 04:15.45 | kremonte | plus, every day of the week there's a 20 man going on |
| 04:15.47 | Esamynn | we downed nef the first week we actually tired him, and I don't think we have failed to beat him yet in a week where we got to him |
| 04:16.06 | kremonte | Esamynn: my guild killed him ezcakes the first 4 times too, black green, black bronze, etc |
| 04:16.16 | kremonte | Esamynn: the past 6 weeks we've had red/blue |
| 04:16.18 | kremonte | sdsnfgkdljgndfkjghndfg |
| 04:16.26 | Esamynn | we've done red/blue too |
| 04:16.26 | kremonte | it WOULD be easy |
| 04:16.31 | kremonte | but |
| 04:16.35 | kremonte | we never have the right class makeup |
| 04:16.39 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 04:16.45 | kremonte | because most of our priests are EU |
| 04:16.49 | kremonte | and most of our warriors are west coast |
| 04:16.54 | Esamynn | oh, ouch |
| 04:17.04 | Esamynn | where are you at in AQ? |
| 04:17.17 | Legorol | kremonte: how do you have both us and eu players on the same server? |
| 04:17.19 | kremonte | haven't gone to aq in a while, but we just killed fankriss |
| 04:17.22 | Legorol | did the eu folks by us accounts? |
| 04:17.25 | kremonte | yes |
| 04:17.32 | kremonte | another problem we're hjavnig |
| 04:17.35 | kremonte | everybody is quitting |
| 04:17.36 | Legorol | whose time schedule do you go by? |
| 04:17.42 | Legorol | us or eu? |
| 04:17.43 | kremonte | EST/EDT |
| 04:17.48 | kremonte | closest in between |
| 04:17.49 | Tain | When I say a full time job I mean raiding 3 nights a week, and they cut back to only 1 mandatory weekend raid to ease up. |
| 04:17.49 | Legorol | that's tough on the eu folks.. |
| 04:17.58 | kremonte | 5 hour difference, on weekends we only play till like 8 |
| 04:18.07 | kremonte | so that's midnight for them ,not bad |
| 04:18.28 | Legorol | east coast is 6 hours from UK, 7 from mainland europe at the moment |
| 04:18.38 | kremonte | Tain: mon/tue ZG, tue/wed AQ20, thur/fri ZG, fri AQ20 |
| 04:18.47 | kremonte | Tain: and most of us do MC on alts |
| 04:18.48 | Legorol | props for your eu guys |
| 04:18.49 | Esamynn | let me tell, you, the more I look at other guilds, the more I look at mine and wonder how the hell I got so lucky ;) |
| 04:18.55 | kremonte | Legorol: most are romanian |
| 04:18.58 | kremonte | Legorol: they're vampires |
| 04:19.04 | Esamynn | lol |
| 04:19.06 | Legorol | no, that'd be transilvanians |
| 04:19.07 | kremonte | Esamynn: are you a warlock? :p |
| 04:19.10 | Legorol | who are mostly ethnic hungarians |
| 04:19.13 | Esamynn | Druid |
| 04:19.18 | kremonte | ah |
| 04:19.18 | Tain | So when why did you say only saturday and Sunday earlier? |
| 04:19.25 | kremonte | i was talkinga bout 40 man raids |
| 04:19.28 | kremonte | 20 man are too easycakes |
| 04:19.35 | kremonte | Esamynn: see, as a warlock |
| 04:19.46 | Esamynn | Warlocks are in demand I know |
| 04:19.51 | kremonte | Esamynn: within 4 months i hvave 8/8 felheart 6/8 nemesis |
| 04:20.08 | Esamynn | I know, we groan every time bloody nemesis dropds |
| 04:20.12 | Tain | Anyway it's still too much of a "job" for me rather than being fun, so I don't do it anymore. |
| 04:20.18 | Esamynn | s/dropds/drops/ |
| 04:20.27 | kremonte | if your guild makes raid attendance mandatory, then it's not a good guild. imo |
| 04:20.41 | Esamynn | yah, mandatory attendence would SUCK! |
| 04:20.59 | kremonte | the "top" guild on my server atm, Corp Hur (the infamous Avatar of Warsong!) does that |
| 04:21.06 | kremonte | we had like 3 applicants at once |
| 04:21.08 | Tain | That's why guilds get to be top guilds. |
| 04:21.18 | kremonte | "Avatar kept bitching at us |
| 04:21.23 | End | heh, everyone has heard of Corp Hur and Avatar |
| 04:21.32 | kremonte | I missed two raids in the last three months, I got gkicked last night." |
| 04:21.32 | Esamynn | not I |
| 04:21.44 | Wobin_ | Corp Por! |
| 04:21.53 | kremonte | spanish rogue applied, he got kicked because he missed more than 5% of raids |
| 04:21.57 | kremonte | note that he is in spain |
| 04:22.04 | kremonte | and the guild does not use spanish time |
| 04:22.07 | Esamynn | kremonte: psh, good ridance and screw them, you are better off |
| 04:22.10 | Wobin_ | wow that's worse than school attendance |
| 04:22.31 | kremonte | during the war effort |
| 04:22.33 | kremonte | the last day of it |
| 04:22.36 | kremonte | i went to queue up for BG |
| 04:22.40 | Tain | I'm just surprised this is a new concept to people. It's how all the "top" guilds have operated in every game since EQ. |
| 04:22.49 | kremonte | Tain: i never said it was a surprise |
| 04:23.09 | kremonte | ok, it makes a guild progress. it also makes for less morale, and a worse reputation |
| 04:23.17 | kremonte | rows upon rows of <Corp Hur> in the military ward |
| 04:23.22 | kremonte | linen bandage... linen bandage... linen bandage... linen bandage... |
| 04:23.29 | Esamynn | Tain: my definition of "Top" obviously differs from the "norm" |
| 04:23.29 | kremonte | log onto my priest in westfall |
| 04:23.34 | kremonte | 30 people <Corp Hur> |
| 04:23.37 | kremonte | all farming defias |
| 04:23.38 | kremonte | for linen |
| 04:25.03 | Esamynn | when I say I am lucky in my guild I don't just mean how good we are at downing stuff, it's also a great group of people and we don't have any really stupid rules like mandatory attendence |
| 04:25.09 | Tain | I mean top in as far as advancing in content faster than others. Not necessarily meaning a better guild overall, but making it a point to try to do things first. |
| 04:25.51 | Miravlix | My friends guild decide to all talents for raid PvE |
| 04:26.09 | Miravlix | So they could get in on all the raid contense early |
| 04:26.15 | Esamynn | come again Miravlix? |
| 04:26.44 | Miravlix | You had to make your char so it benefited the guild in Raid PvE |
| 04:27.08 | Esamynn | ouch |
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| 04:27.43 | Esamynn | thats one the same level as mandatory attendence imo |
| 04:27.43 | Esamynn | on* |
| 04:27.47 | Miravlix | I don't know if the shot anyone for not going PvE spec |
| 04:27.54 | Esamynn | evening Tem, break anything recently? |
| 04:28.08 | Miravlix | But I'm sure you didn't get any phats unless you where benefitting the PvE effort |
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| 04:28.10 | Tem | not really |
| 04:28.18 | Tem | just got back from eating too much crawfish |
| 04:28.25 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 04:37.52 | Esamynn | lol |
| 04:46.40 | Esamynn | ~emualte cair |
| 04:46.48 | Esamynn | ~emulate cair |
| 04:46.49 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 04:47.19 | Esamynn | on the upside, when it is quiet in here I am much more productive coding wise |
| 04:47.24 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:47.38 | Miravlix | I'm much more productive when it's noisy here |
| 04:48.01 | Miravlix | Saves me more than half the work when we have semi inteligent conversations about codeing |
| 04:49.14 | Legorol | I think 2+2=5 in patch 1.10 |
| 04:49.18 | Legorol | it's a stealth-nerf |
| 04:49.25 | Depherios | lol |
| 04:49.57 | Miravlix | Knowing that, it now save me tons of time debugging why 2+2 doesnø't equal 4 |
| 04:50.11 | Esamynn | lol, you want to see a stealth nerf, take a look at the leaked 1.11 patch notes :P |
| 04:50.29 | Miravlix | Slouken promised no ADDON changes in 1.11 |
| 04:50.45 | Esamynn | he did? |
| 04:51.03 | Miravlix | Yeah, but it's anyone guess if he can keep it. :P |
| 04:51.20 | Esamynn | oh you mean, changes to break certain types? |
| 04:51.25 | Esamynn | when did he say that? |
| 04:51.39 | Miravlix | He is trying to make 1.11 a quiet addon patch |
| 04:51.45 | Miravlix | Here in channel some days ago |
| 04:51.59 | Esamynn | lol, fat chance, that isn't possible |
| 04:52.17 | Miravlix | Baah don't have a lastlog command in this IRC client |
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| 04:52.28 | Esamynn | there will always be the people who can't find the "load out of date AddOns" option |
| 04:52.34 | Miravlix | I'm not in the mood of searching through days of chat. :p |
| 04:52.43 | Esamynn | there is an online one, although I can't remember the link |
| 04:52.56 | Miravlix | Esamynn: But that is fairly quet |
| 04:52.56 | Cairenn | ~logs? |
| 04:52.58 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 04:53.10 | Miravlix | 1.10 broke all addons |
| 04:53.10 | Cairenn | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowi-lounge/ |
| 04:53.12 | Esamynn | Miravlix: I suppose |
| 04:53.20 | Miravlix | So even doing out of date wouldn't work |
| 04:53.25 | Esamynn | show off :P |
| 04:53.35 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 04:53.35 | purl | thanks, Esamynn |
| 04:53.52 | Miravlix | Cairenn: I know, but then I have to search for it. :p |
| 04:54.08 | Esamynn | search for "slouken" |
| 04:54.15 | Shouryuu|TiePro | wish me lcuk! |
| 04:54.22 | Esamynn | why? |
| 04:54.23 | Miravlix | typeing /lastlog slouken considering how few lines he type would have given me the line so I could cut and paste it easy |
| 04:54.25 | Shouryuu|TiePro | luck rather |
| 04:55.12 | Esamynn | tell me why and I'll consider it ;) |
| 04:55.12 | Miravlix | Hmm, I wonder how many addons is still out of date. |
| 04:55.48 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hehe I have an interview this morning =( |
| 04:56.07 | Esamynn | most of the ones installed on my system are probably still "out of date" but that's generally because I've fixed them myself and haven't updated the toc because I haven't fully tested them |
| 04:56.14 | Esamynn | Luck |
| 04:56.24 | Esamynn | why are you frowning? |
| 04:56.38 | Miravlix | Down to 43 out of date addons |
| 04:56.52 | Miravlix | And make that 40 I forgot to update my own in house developed addons. :) |
| 04:57.26 | Esamynn | what annoys me is that they changed it so that when you select the "load out of date addons" option, the out of date flag doesn't show on any of the addons :( |
| 04:58.45 | Wobin_ | hehe Dwarf female love in the 'leaked' 1.11 notes =) |
| 04:58.45 | Esamynn | hmm, I still haven't deicded how i'm going to implement these queued invites, sigh |
| 04:58.50 | Esamynn | haha |
| 04:59.06 | Esamynn | the best line was the last one about the "very green grass" |
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| 05:08.08 | Esamynn | anyone know off had long long the game waits before auto-declining and invite? |
| 05:08.18 | Esamynn | s/had/hand/ |
| 05:08.34 | Esamynn | how long* |
| 05:08.39 | Esamynn | damn finger |
| 05:08.48 | Esamynn | s/finger/fingers/ |
| 05:14.17 | ToastTheif | shouryuu |
| 05:14.21 | ToastTheif | you still here? |
| 05:15.29 | Miravlix | ## SavedVariables: ZoneBaseline2, ZoneBaseline1, Others |
| 05:15.42 | Miravlix | That gotta be the best SavedVariables line I've ever seen |
| 05:16.04 | ckknight | ? |
| 05:16.35 | Esamynn | nm, StaticPopup.lua FTW |
| 05:16.43 | Esamynn | lol |
| 05:21.42 | Miravlix | Naming a global variable Other? |
| 05:22.18 | Esamynn | pretty silly, I agree |
| 05:22.30 | Miravlix | Credit to all other addon makers, since no one else is apparently using other |
| 05:22.42 | Esamynn | lol |
| 05:27.12 | Miravlix | The worst thing I'm doing, is make a global alias MMM |
| 05:27.39 | Miravlix | I just got tired of writing multimegamooped |
| 05:27.57 | ckknight | why a global alias? |
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| 05:28.08 | ckknight | and not a local alias |
| 05:28.09 | Miravlix | MMM is MicroMacroMaker |
| 05:28.19 | Miravlix | You would do /script MMM.<function> |
| 05:28.22 | Tain | I like having just one global object. |
| 05:28.32 | ckknight | same, Tain |
| 05:28.38 | Miravlix | So MMM is an alias to the global object |
| 05:28.48 | ckknight | well, 2, one for the object, one for the locals |
| 05:28.54 | Miravlix | But due to char limitation in Macros I make the MMM alias |
| 05:29.38 | Miravlix | How do you make a short safe name? |
| 05:30.01 | Miravlix | The second we get down to 3 chars and the like we are in trouble |
| 05:30.14 | ckknight | at least 6, I say |
| 05:30.25 | ckknight | and have it be relatively unique |
| 05:30.43 | Miravlix | I always use the addonname_<variable> |
| 05:31.12 | Miravlix | Then unless someone uses _ in there name they wont be conflicting |
| 05:31.18 | ckknight | *shudder* |
| 05:31.36 | ckknight | I don't like global pollution |
| 05:32.07 | Miravlix | Dunno why you say that |
| 05:32.15 | zespri | as if it matters |
| 05:32.25 | Miravlix | Whats using a naming standard for global variables has to do with polution? |
| 05:32.35 | zespri | I mean as if 'global polution' matter |
| 05:32.54 | Miravlix | It's bad programming actually |
| 05:33.06 | Miravlix | Your addon is faster with inteligent use of local |
| 05:33.09 | ckknight | putting many variables into the global scope is global pollution |
| 05:33.25 | Miravlix | But otherwise its pointless |
| 05:33.44 | zespri | coding guidelines are writen not make code pretty and not to make purists happy. the are written so it's to work with code |
| 05:33.46 | Miravlix | A addon with nothing but global scope is badly programmed, no one need 100% global scope |
| 05:34.42 | Miravlix | You should atleast referance your stuff internally with local and then export what is needed to the global scope |
| 05:35.00 | Miravlix | But you should also make a function that alllows outside tampering of the local file scope |
| 05:35.02 | Miravlix | To debug |
| 05:36.11 | Miravlix | I recently did a search and replace in PartyQuests makeing everything local |
| 05:36.28 | Miravlix | had to make the debug flag global again, but the rest didn't need to be global |
| 05:37.59 | Miravlix | That gains me a 0.002ms speedup on every function call and variable referance. |
| 05:38.44 | Miravlix | Esamynn: Wasn't that the number you found? |
| 05:38.48 | Esamynn | keep in mind Miravlix that that number is for my computer on that night alone |
| 05:39.11 | Miravlix | Yes and we are talking low low ms so it might vary |
| 05:39.14 | Esamynn | the gain will vary depending on the conditions and the computer itself |
| 05:39.54 | L|Elviso | ok what happened....I downloaded some updated addons, starting getting random UI errors for DIFFERENT addons.... |
| 05:40.04 | L|Elviso | removed the updated addons and I still seem to be getting erros |
| 05:40.07 | L|Elviso | *errors |
| 05:40.11 | Tain | I ran a bunch of tests on speeds making local copies of global functions, and they all varied a little, but definite speed increases were there. |
| 05:40.30 | Miravlix | L: Saved variables polution? |
| 05:40.32 | Esamynn | oh yes, there is definately a speed increase |
| 05:41.15 | L|Elviso | hrmm that's possible |
| 05:41.18 | Esamynn | but I perfer to limit my use of locals mainly to table pointers and values for use inside functions only |
| 05:41.34 | Miravlix | And I love how it encourage me to create C .h style header information, to code this way |
| 05:42.19 | Miravlix | The first page or two, if I comment propperly will give any outsider a complete knowglede of what the addon does |
| 05:43.19 | Miravlix | I like to have all my functions local |
| 05:43.41 | Miravlix | and then do end <addoname>.<functioname> = functionname to export it for outside use |
| 05:44.09 | Miravlix | It makes things a lot clearer for a third party to read and modify the code |
| 05:44.15 | Esamynn | my only issue with that is that it makes hooking impossible |
| 05:44.21 | Miravlix | No |
| 05:44.36 | Miravlix | thats where the <addonname>.debug() comes in |
| 05:44.40 | Esamynn | or do you monitor for changes? |
| 05:44.43 | Miravlix | It gives you access to internals |
| 05:44.54 | Esamynn | how? |
| 05:45.05 | Codayus | Okay, I've got a weird tooltip in the top right of my screen which constantly shows a random buff. It changed periodically for no obvious reason. I have no idea what mod is causing it. Anyone seen this behaviour and know what might be causing it? |
| 05:45.13 | Esamynn | Miravlix: post code? |
| 05:45.31 | Esamynn | Discord Library? |
| 05:45.44 | Miravlix | Codayus: Broken addon due to tooltip changes |
| 05:45.51 | Miravlix | That got modified badly? |
| 05:45.57 | Esamynn | Codayus: do you have Discord Library? |
| 05:46.01 | Codayus | Miravlix: I know that. But I'm trying to work out which addon. And...yes, I do. |
| 05:46.10 | Esamynn | have you updated it? |
| 05:46.20 | Codayus | Erm...yes. I did. Or I thought I did... |
| 05:46.20 | Esamynn | I've heard it has been a common culprit for that |
| 05:46.30 | Miravlix | Well, the nitty gritty bits, isn't written yet, Esa. |
| 05:46.32 | Codayus | Thanks, that gives me a starting place. |
| 05:46.45 | Miravlix | I'm just about to start on creating the debug/hook/etc functions |
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| 05:47.34 | Esamynn | how do you plan to access some local, x, using the debug function? |
| 05:48.01 | Miravlix | I use a lot of time talking/designing before I implement something. |
| 05:51.31 | Miravlix | Have to be very dirty doing it as I don't have a getglobal functionality localy |
| 05:52.16 | Miravlix | if var == "Initialize" then Initialize = newfunc |
| 05:52.36 | Esamynn | ahh ok, so you have to account for each and every local |
| 05:54.30 | Miravlix | No |
| 05:54.43 | Miravlix | I can put it all into a table |
| 05:54.46 | Miravlix | and do a search |
| 05:55.14 | Esamynn | same diff, no matter how you slice it |
| 05:55.17 | Miravlix | table[var] == usersupplieddebugfunc |
| 05:56.50 | Miravlix | Yeah, but even if I had getlocal("name") it would be the same |
| 05:56.50 | Esamynn | come again? |
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| 05:57.10 | Miravlix | Whatever you do table[var] == something or table.funcname = something |
| 05:57.24 | Miravlix | I don't see the difference? |
| 05:57.53 | Esamynn | there isn't a difference |
| 05:58.11 | Miravlix | table.debughook( name, orgfunction, newfunction ) |
| 05:58.34 | Miravlix | or table debughook( name, orgvar, newvar) |
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| 05:58.59 | Esamynn | it would be easier if you wrote some sample code and pastebinned it |
| 05:59.10 | Esamynn | hey Iriel |
| 05:59.15 | Iriel | Evening |
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| 06:01.03 | Iriel | So, should I play WoW, or write code to display a network activity graph on my G15 LCD? |
| 06:01.31 | Esamynn | CODE! :) |
| 06:01.34 | [MoonWolf] | play wow to bugtest the graph |
| 06:01.46 | Esamynn | oooh, even better :) |
| 06:01.58 | Iriel | Wow is actually quite boring in terms of its network usage |
| 06:02.23 | Esamynn | yah, I suppose it is |
| 06:02.47 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/633850 |
| 06:02.48 | Tem | I think it's changed lately actually |
| 06:03.05 | Tem | I've been noticing an icon in my taskbar from time to time |
| 06:03.21 | Tem | that is the same icon they use on their downloaded thing |
| 06:03.23 | Miravlix | Test server had a background downloader |
| 06:03.30 | Miravlix | It's not in release |
| 06:03.40 | Gryphen | its in my release |
| 06:03.45 | Tem | mine too |
| 06:04.02 | Tem | I just haven't figured out exactly what it's doing |
| 06:04.06 | Miravlix | Well, blue claims it isn't in release yet. |
| 06:04.17 | Gryphen | they are wrong hehe |
| 06:04.18 | Miravlix | It downloads upcomming patches |
| 06:04.40 | Miravlix | While you play WoW, so you don't have to do patch day downloads |
| 06:04.44 | Esamynn | it is in the release Miravlix, just won't be downloading anything yet |
| 06:05.10 | Tem | regardless of it's function, I suspect it will have an interesting effect on network traffic |
| 06:05.16 | Miravlix | Thats the same difference to me Esa |
| 06:05.24 | Miravlix | If it doesn't do anything it isn't really there |
| 06:05.32 | Esamynn | ...... |
| 06:06.12 | Miravlix | Anyway, did you read the pastebin? |
| 06:06.35 | Esamynn | Miravlix: I thought you made all your functions local, or did you put them in a local table? |
| 06:06.59 | Miravlix | The table is local |
| 06:07.29 | Miravlix | I did local functionname |
| 06:07.55 | Miravlix | But I don't see how that makes me able to create a DebugHook |
| 06:07.59 | Esamynn | yes, but you said all the functions in your AddOn are local, so how do you hook function foo without coding for foo specifically in the debug function? |
| 06:08.34 | Miravlix | # |
| 06:08.35 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.59 | Esamynn | print isn't a local, its a value in a local table |
| 06:09.04 | Miravlix | micromacromaker..DebugHook( print, newprint ) |
| 06:09.40 | Miravlix | You sure? |
| 06:09.47 | Esamynn | yes |
| 06:09.51 | Miravlix | Lua sucks |
| 06:10.18 | Iriel | Lua doesn't suck, it's actually very nice |
| 06:10.23 | Iriel | Your understanding of it, perhaps, sucks |
| 06:10.35 | Esamynn | ~lart Miravlix |
| 06:10.49 | Miravlix | Why the hell can't I do local table entries? |
| 06:10.50 | Esamynn | haha |
| 06:11.39 | Esamynn | you mean, have access to the "table" of local variables? |
| 06:12.23 | Miravlix | loca micromacromaker = { local value = 10, local textstring = "Hello, World" } |
| 06:12.35 | Iriel | because that doesn't make any sense |
| 06:12.42 | Iriel | local is a compile time construct |
| 06:12.48 | Iriel | It has nothing to do with objects at runtime |
| 06:12.51 | Iriel | A table is a table |
| 06:13.09 | Iriel | local micromacromaker = { value = 10, textstring = "Hello World" } gives you a local reference to a table with those keys in it |
| 06:13.24 | Miravlix | is micromacromaker.value a local? |
| 06:13.26 | Iriel | a 'local table entry' is a meaningless concept, how would you EXPECT that to work |
| 06:13.34 | Iriel | micromaker, the reference, is local |
| 06:13.36 | Miravlix | Well it works in C++ classes |
| 06:13.39 | Iriel | the table itself is just an object |
| 06:14.04 | Iriel | ?? |
| 06:14.09 | Iriel | C++ doesn't have "local" |
| 06:14.26 | Iriel | it has static, which means one thing (but doesn't mean the same thing inside a class) |
| 06:14.35 | Iriel | And it has private, which means something entirely different |
| 06:14.36 | Miravlix | class something { private: var, var, var public: function(), function() } |
| 06:14.43 | Iriel | so you want private, not local |
| 06:14.49 | Esamynn | local ~= private |
| 06:14.52 | Iriel | or should I say "local" |
| 06:15.11 | Miravlix | I want local because it has less overhead than global |
| 06:15.13 | Iriel | Do you want objects with private entries? or do you want a module with private data? |
| 06:15.34 | Iriel | Miravlix : You say that without understanding the language enough to really know why, which is problematic here. |
| 06:15.36 | Miravlix | It is 0.002ms or something like that faster to work with locals |
| 06:15.50 | Iriel | That is correct, so dont put them in tables |
| 06:16.04 | Miravlix | But how do I allow the addon to be debugged then? |
| 06:16.08 | Iriel | because that microscopic (and it's us or ns, not ms) hit is the table lookup |
| 06:16.23 | Iriel | Debuggability and hyper-optimization are somewhat exclusive at times |
| 06:16.34 | Miravlix | It's microseconds as far as I know |
| 06:16.44 | Iriel | You CAN add a bunch of get methods in global scope, something like this (pastebinning, one second) |
| 06:17.49 | Miravlix | I need a way for local somename = function() end can from another addon be hooked |
| 06:17.55 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/633862 |
| 06:18.20 | Esamynn | the only way to do that Miravlix is to write a hook function that specifically accounts for each and every local variable |
| 06:18.21 | Iriel | You can't hook another addon's local methods |
| 06:18.39 | Iriel | TO hook your own addon's methods, you do exactly what Esamynn just described |
| 06:18.49 | Miravlix | Iriel: yes you can |
| 06:18.51 | Iriel | Or you take the (miniscule, by the way) hit of putting them in a table |
| 06:19.09 | Miravlix | if varname == "functionname" then functioname == newfunc end |
| 06:19.25 | Iriel | Miravlix : I'm sorry but you're either misusing the terminology, or you just dont understand. |
| 06:19.29 | Iriel | I'm not trying to be mean here |
| 06:19.41 | Iriel | But locals are not just 'special globals' |
| 06:19.45 | Miravlix | It is possible to hook local variables by another addon |
| 06:19.49 | Iriel | They're implemented in an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT way |
| 06:20.06 | Miravlix | By providing a function to do it. |
| 06:20.22 | Iriel | But then it's not "another addon" hooking it |
| 06:20.29 | Iriel | It's YOUR addon hooking it, for another addon |
| 06:20.38 | Miravlix | Well, offcourse |
| 06:20.53 | Miravlix | If you follow the conversation this has been about creating DebugHook |
| 06:21.05 | Miravlix | fromt he very beginning so other addons can hook into locals to debug |
| 06:21.06 | Iriel | I wasn't here when that conversation started |
| 06:21.23 | Iriel | But esamynn covered the challenges of that nicely |
| 06:21.29 | Iriel | You have to **EXPLICITLY** support every local |
| 06:21.34 | Iriel | You cannot resolve a local by name at runtime |
| 06:21.51 | Esamynn | Miravlix: may I say that I think you are being anal about protecting your AddOns variables (not trying to be mean by that) |
| 06:22.05 | Miravlix | I'm not protecting them |
| 06:22.16 | Iriel | I suspect you're also being overly concerned about the 'performance' thing |
| 06:22.39 | Miravlix | And I suspect most of you aren't concerned enough |
| 06:22.45 | Miravlix | resulting in stupid lag everywhere |
| 06:23.00 | Iriel | Well, you should probably consider your audience before spouting stuff like that |
| 06:23.56 | Miravlix | This is an dev channel, it's dev thats in it, and no one wants to acknowglede how slow the UI scripting engine is |
| 06:24.07 | Miravlix | So I think I acknowglede who is here |
| 06:24.07 | Iriel | lua is remarkably fast |
| 06:24.21 | Iriel | the UI engine is pretty fast too, though there are some 'gotchas' to be careful of |
| 06:24.43 | Iriel | The frame metamethod being the worst offender and I believe I've done more research on that particular issue than ANY other developer |
| 06:24.47 | Miravlix | It's you I have to make interested in writing better optimized code for the dev community in general to pick up on it and start writting better optimized addons |
| 06:24.58 | Miravlix | Resulting in my 170 addons not being sutch a lag pain |
| 06:25.07 | Iriel | Similarly memory use, I believe I have a better understanding of that than almost any other developer |
| 06:25.36 | Miravlix | I've been crusading the Lua memory model since I started Lua scripting around a year ago |
| 06:25.40 | Esamynn | there is no advantage to obsessing over the advantage of locals, they aren't that much faster that making almost every function call a local is going to have a significant impact |
| 06:25.46 | [MoonWolf] | Lets be honest here and say that Iriel has better understanding of the inner working of lua then most of us. |
| 06:25.58 | Miravlix | Because no one cared about it being a garbage model and just created nutty amount of garbage |
| 06:26.05 | Iriel | [MoonWolf] : I'd say "of lua in WoW" |
| 06:26.16 | Iriel | [MoonWolf] : Standard default lua IS different |
| 06:26.21 | [MoonWolf] | true |
| 06:26.24 | Iriel | [MoonWolf] : But not a whole lot different |
| 06:26.42 | Iriel | Miravlix : I think you'll find that many of us DO care |
| 06:26.42 | [MoonWolf] | but you understand what i mean. |
| 06:26.54 | Iriel | Miravlix : I think you'll find that the really active community take it VERY seriously |
| 06:26.55 | Miravlix | yes, my memory model crusade is over |
| 06:26.59 | Miravlix | but my lag isn't gone |
| 06:27.06 | Iriel | Miravlix : The 'casual developer' on the other hand, does not |
| 06:27.10 | [MoonWolf] | I think there is a whole community taht cares a lot about performance. |
| 06:27.23 | Esamynn | most definately |
| 06:27.25 | Iriel | Miravlix : If you run 170 addons, how many of those did *WE* write |
| 06:27.32 | [MoonWolf] | and that extends way beyond ace. |
| 06:27.35 | Iriel | *WE* being the people in this channel you're trying to come off as better than |
| 06:27.39 | Miravlix | And when the supposedly top 20 developers that hangs here doesn't care |
| 06:27.48 | Miravlix | why will all the 100's of other devs learn to care? |
| 06:27.49 | Iriel | It's not that we dont care |
| 06:27.55 | Iriel | It's that we resent your impliciation that we dont care |
| 06:28.09 | Iriel | But I think we have a better sense of WHEN to care than you're demonstrating |
| 06:28.25 | Iriel | You're spiting yourself in the name of performance |
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| 06:28.41 | Iriel | When the kinds of differences you're making are NOT significant in the general case. |
| 06:29.03 | malreth | do not mind me. carry on with your conversations. |
| 06:29.13 | Esamynn | damnit Iriel, stop typing so fast, you keep stealing my thunder! :P |
| 06:29.16 | Iriel | It's entirely possible the GC overhead of your debug hook functions will outweigh the saving you make by using top-level locals |
| 06:29.34 | Esamynn | j/k |
| 06:29.34 | Iriel | Esamynn : Sorry, your turn, i'm off to make coffee |
| 06:29.47 | Miravlix | Trying to develope debug friendly code is a CONCERN of mine |
| 06:30.03 | Esamynn | it's ok, I just found it a little amusing, I thought I was a decent typist, but you have me beat hands down |
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| 06:30.48 | Miravlix | But it's very possible it's a concern I can't react on, if I at the same time want to make the addon local |
| 06:31.27 | Esamynn | that is indeed the problem and is one of the "gotchas" of programming in general |
| 06:32.05 | Iriel | The art of rational compromise |
| 06:32.37 | Esamynn | Iriel: I like that one much better than what I was going to say :) |
| 06:33.44 | Esamynn | whoa |
| 06:33.44 | malreth | weeeee! |
| 06:33.44 | Iriel | Whee |
| 06:33.44 | [MoonWolf] | OH the noes. |
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| 06:33.50 | Iriel | Oh no! We lost Cair! |
| 06:33.50 | Esamynn | SPAMMERS!!!! |
| 06:33.50 | Iriel | Ah, she's back |
| 06:33.51 | malreth | that was a quick split |
| 06:34.43 | Wobin_ | onagainoffagainonnaginefnetigan |
| 06:34.44 | Miravlix | The ability for others to read code, debug code is a very high priority for me. |
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| 06:35.35 | malreth | debuugging is overrated. I make my addons all local and hope that everything works. |
| 06:35.35 | Miravlix | But we have to be carefull not to sacrifice usability in game. |
| 06:35.35 | Miravlix | And when I lag for 2-3 seconds after casting a spell or whatever |
| 06:35.35 | Miravlix | Then the price of a global addon seems way to high |
| 06:36.10 | Iriel | A 2-3 second lag isn't caused by using global instead of local though |
| 06:36.11 | Esamynn | Miravlix, the point we are trying to make is that what you are trying to do with locals goes way beyond any rational need for efficiency, so much so that you lose a lot of the ability to debug |
| 06:36.11 | Iriel | To make that different even MEASURABLE takes quite a lot of work |
| 06:36.42 | Miravlix | Well, we are talking 0.002ms difference accoridng to Esa's test. |
| 06:36.42 | Miravlix | That can quickly addup to a lot for 170 addons |
| 06:37.04 | Esamynn | you are taking that test WAY out of context |
| 06:37.16 | Iriel | I dont believe 0.002ms PER index |
| 06:37.16 | Esamynn | so much so that I reget that you saw it |
| 06:37.17 | Miravlix | If WORST case happends and to many of the addons trigger at the same time |
| 06:37.22 | Miravlix | you get in game stutters |
| 06:37.27 | malreth | this sounds dangerously like premature optimization |
| 06:37.37 | malreth | yeah... |
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| 06:37.47 | groll | hmm anyone got any idea on if it's possible to fix defendyourself for 1.10? |
| 06:37.49 | Miravlix | I seriusly beleive if I convert all 170 addons to a local model, I will shave off some of the stutters |
| 06:38.00 | Miravlix | groll: Works fine for me |
| 06:38.05 | groll | it does? |
| 06:38.10 | Esamynn | Miravlix: no, you wouldn't |
| 06:38.15 | groll | hmm i heard several ppl saying it doesnt |
| 06:38.26 | groll | i'll dl and test then :) |
| 06:38.27 | AnduinLothar | my dy works |
| 06:38.38 | Iriel | I dont believe you'd have off any PERCEIVABLE stutter |
| 06:38.40 | Iriel | Measurable, perhaps |
| 06:38.43 | Iriel | But not enough to notice |
| 06:38.55 | Miravlix | Esa: Why not? |
| 06:38.58 | Esamynn | I doubt you would even notice the difference, the lag is caused by other servere inefficiencies in the code structure |
| 06:39.19 | Iriel | The real sinners tend to be (1) garbage junk (2) excessive Frame method calls (Those ARE slow) (3) over-active event handling |
| 06:39.23 | Miravlix | lets say 170 addons referance 2 variable each and does 2 function calls. thats 170 * 2 * 2 * 0.002ms |
| 06:39.30 | [MoonWolf] | I have 83 addons right now and never have any stutters... maybe you should cut down a bit... |
| 06:39.43 | Miravlix | I don't want to cut down |
| 06:39.48 | Miravlix | There is no need to |
| 06:39.50 | Iriel | Miravlix : That.s 1.36 ms |
| 06:40.02 | Iriel | Miravlix : Taking Esamynn's numbers at face value |
| 06:40.27 | Miravlix | Yes, the time will vary, a tooltip scanner is slower than some 2+2 code |
| 06:40.32 | Iriel | That's 1/735 s |
| 06:40.34 | [MoonWolf] | however that is not 1.36ms that the game is not doing anything outright |
| 06:40.42 | [MoonWolf] | it yust happens along with the rest. |
| 06:40.47 | Miravlix | No |
| 06:40.51 | Miravlix | WoW is serial |
| 06:41.00 | Miravlix | If you make a function that takes 10 seconds to run |
| 06:41.06 | Miravlix | it takes 10 seconds before wow updates |
| 06:41.18 | Iriel | well, before the UI updates |
| 06:41.23 | Iriel | there are threads going on at the same time |
| 06:41.26 | Iriel | they're just not UI threads |
| 06:41.27 | [MoonWolf] | ah |
| 06:41.27 | Miravlix | It kills the FPS too |
| 06:41.31 | [MoonWolf] | that is what i mean |
| 06:41.34 | Esamynn | Iriel, for the record, the test in question was this: |
| 06:41.35 | Esamynn | -- /script debugprofilestart(); GetSpellTexture(5,BOOKTYPE_SPELL); DevTools_Dump(debugprofilestop()) gave me about 0.02 ms I think |
| 06:41.37 | Esamynn | -- /script local d;local t=spellCache;debugprofilestart(); d=t[15]["texture"]; DevTools_Dump(debugprofilestop()) gave me about 0.18 ms |
| 06:41.39 | Esamynn | I might be off by a power of 10, I don't recall |
| 06:41.57 | Iriel | Esamynn : You did run he test a few million times though, right? |
| 06:42.02 | Iriel | Esamynn : So it was actually significant |
| 06:42.04 | Miravlix | While the UI script is running the game doesn't update |
| 06:42.13 | Iriel | Esamynn : And so you didn't include the time it takes to run the MANY DevTools calls |
| 06:42.17 | Miravlix | Make a function() while( true ) end |
| 06:42.20 | Iriel | Esamynn : Including lots of frame method calls |
| 06:42.28 | Miravlix | An dthe game dies you get no graphics updates at all |
| 06:42.31 | Iriel | Esamynn : Which will have been vastyly more complex than your GetSpellTexture call |
| 06:42.49 | Esamynn | you know what, after posting that I see what happened |
| 06:42.57 | Miravlix | I think, DefendYourself has a broken tooltip scanner |
| 06:42.59 | Miravlix | that I fixed |
| 06:43.05 | Esamynn | its the API function call in there that cause the huge difference |
| 06:43.09 | Gryphen | too obsessed |
| 06:43.13 | Miravlix | So DefendYourself 2.35 wont work in all cases |
| 06:44.09 | Miravlix | Hmm, wrong version number |
| 06:44.13 | Miravlix | 4.35? |
| 06:44.14 | Iriel | My results on SecretSauce would make me thing you're several orders of magnitude off |
| 06:44.19 | Iriel | thinK, that is |
| 06:44.23 | Miravlix | I don't remember what the last released version is |
| 06:45.21 | Esamynn | yah, my test is accurate for what I wanted to know, but I was wrong at the time about what I was actually testing |
| 06:45.27 | Miravlix | Well, then makes some new test? |
| 06:45.59 | Esamynn | so my appologies for the confusion |
| 06:46.07 | Miravlix | If the numbers is wrong, the whole premise for the optimization gain is wrong |
| 06:46.26 | malreth | optimization is a tricky beast |
| 06:46.26 | Iriel | But even if the number is RIGHT, you're still barking up the wrong tree |
| 06:46.42 | Iriel | 1.36ms on a 2-3 second lag is not going to help you |
| 06:47.08 | Miravlix | That was just an exampleof how little it takes before the number skyrocket |
| 06:47.28 | Miravlix | The real world case is way more variable referance and function calls |
| 06:47.40 | Esamynn | game I wish I had access to the game at the moment so I could re-do the test correctly |
| 06:47.44 | malreth | i've done a lot of optimization in my years of programming... most of it hobbyist but some of it paid |
| 06:47.57 | Iriel | Esamynn ; I do, let me fire it up |
| 06:48.23 | Miravlix | 1 function calls + 1 function call = many functin calls |
| 06:48.49 | Iriel | Symbol lookups are NOT your problem |
| 06:48.51 | Iriel | Trust us on that |
| 06:48.53 | Miravlix | It all adds up quickly |
| 06:48.57 | malreth | Miravlix: doesn't matter |
| 06:48.58 | Esamynn | thanks Iriel, what I was originally testing was the difference between retreiving the texture fromt he API versus using a cache table, my appologies to Miravlix for my incorrect statements last week |
| 06:49.26 | Miravlix | O.o |
| 06:49.52 | Esamynn | ~lart me |
| 06:50.01 | malreth | purl, botsnack |
| 06:50.01 | purl | malreth: thanks |
| 06:50.09 | End | wtf slashdot |
| 06:50.14 | Esamynn | damn purl, that was appropriate |
| 06:50.44 | Miravlix | Guess I just need to learn to not trust others. :p |
| 06:51.21 | Esamynn | I think I posted the code samples last week too Miravlix, you need to learn to analyze the results of others, not just take them at face value |
| 06:51.36 | malreth | shaving fractions of a millisecond from a function means nothing when the rest of the UI framework executes slower by several orders of magnitude |
| 06:51.51 | Miravlix | That means I question your ability to think. |
| 06:51.56 | Miravlix | I don't like doing that. |
| 06:52.00 | Osagasu | HOLY SHIT |
| 06:52.04 | malreth | you two must mud wrastle now |
| 06:52.07 | Osagasu | ITs definitely April 1st on /. |
| 06:52.16 | malreth | Osagasu: they do that every yeyar |
| 06:52.29 | malreth | year |
| 06:52.37 | Esamynn | I wouldn't call it questioning my ability to think so much as thinking for yourself |
| 06:52.54 | malreth | you aren't wrastling! |
| 06:53.31 | Iriel | Okay, the difference is... |
| 06:53.33 | Iriel | Wait for it |
| 06:54.32 | Esamynn | ~lart malreth |
| 06:54.43 | Iriel | Around about 0.01 |
| 06:54.49 | Iriel | us |
| 06:54.52 | Iriel | not ms |
| 06:54.53 | Iriel | us |
| 06:55.03 | Esamynn | 0.00001 ms |
| 06:55.05 | Iriel | That's the LARGEST result from my handful of test runs |
| 06:55.36 | malreth | microseconds |
| 06:55.48 | malreth | those are my favorite |
| 06:55.55 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 06:56.13 | Iriel | Thats one hundred millionth of a second |
| 06:56.43 | Osagasu | I thank god they haven't broken the games ans science sections |
| 06:56.54 | Iriel | Now.. if that's a frame object you're fetching from, instead of global scope, it's an entirely different proposition |
| 06:57.16 | Aalny | random question: Has a SPELLS_CHANGED event always fired anytime you change your primary weapon? |
| 06:57.43 | Esamynn | generally not |
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| 06:57.54 | Esamynn | oh wait, weapon |
| 06:58.08 | Esamynn | maybe because of the icon change |
| 06:58.11 | Aalny | yeah, specifically the primary weapon |
| 06:58.18 | Miravlix | The weapon changes the texture of the attack icon in the spellbook |
| 06:58.28 | Miravlix | But I don't remember what it was before |
| 06:58.32 | Aalny | ah ha |
| 06:58.38 | Aalny | that'd be why |
| 06:58.58 | Aalny | Seemed like a bug at first...but I suppose that's working as intended. |
| 06:59.04 | Miravlix | that is I don't remember if SPELLS_CHANGED fire due to weapon change |
| 06:59.48 | Miravlix | But it would explain a lot |
| 07:00.24 | Miravlix | If every spellbook scanner fires it explains why it's so darn hicupish to change weapon for me |
| 07:00.54 | Esamynn | Iriel: if I was going to send you code for a couple new features for DevTools, how would you like it, just the changed code, or a full copy that you could just diff for the changes? |
| 07:00.57 | Aalny | indeed. |
| 07:01.19 | Iriel | Esamynn : Probably a full copy |
| 07:01.35 | AnduinLothar | opendiff ftw |
| 07:01.39 | Miravlix | Need to recode SPELLS_CHANGED to simply set a dirty flag. |
| 07:01.51 | Esamynn | k, there is one more thing I'm going to add and test, so probably expect an email later this weekend |
| 07:01.56 | Miravlix | and it wont check the spellbook before it needs to |
| 07:02.23 | Iriel | Esamynn : Cool, I can't promise i'll add everything, but I will add everything I think fits, and give a damn good rationale for any I dont 8-) |
| 07:03.06 | Esamynn | the features are the ability to direct output to the chatframe of your choice and a system for monitor events and their arguements |
| 07:03.42 | Esamynn | let me tell you, I use both all the time ;) |
| 07:04.05 | Esamynn | I got tired of having DevTools output in the default chat frame where I have most of my channels |
| 07:04.45 | AnduinLothar | the chat displays really weren't designed for that type of display |
| 07:05.21 | Iriel | I still plan on writing my frame based browser when I have time and energy for it. Work FTL |
| 07:05.41 | AnduinLothar | ya work likes to eat my time as well |
| 07:05.53 | AnduinLothar | but i get to code there when things are slow |
| 07:05.57 | malreth | i like how Warmup outputs to it's own frame. i always thought that was nice |
| 07:06.18 | Iriel | I hang out here and abuse you all when things are slow |
| 07:06.28 | AnduinLothar | no irc at work :/ |
| 07:06.35 | Iriel | Same here, but I cheat |
| 07:06.39 | AnduinLothar | still need to figure out how to get an ssh tunnel working |
| 07:06.41 | malreth | same same |
| 07:06.50 | malreth | i vpn to home and tunnel all my traffic |
| 07:06.50 | Esamynn | yah, i've been thinking a browser project would be neat myself, but damned if I can find the time |
| 07:08.07 | malreth | i even wrote a script to add stuff to the routing table on my laptop when i open a vpn connection |
| 07:08.37 | malreth | that way, i can still access work related network resources that are local network routed only |
| 07:08.54 | Iriel | I lucked out and picked a different IP range for my home networks than work is using |
| 07:09.14 | Iriel | so i route all of my 'home' stuff home |
| 07:09.21 | Iriel | and then selected other things as necessary |
| 07:09.34 | Iriel | I can even NAT and route wow from my work desktop via home now |
| 07:10.02 | malreth | yep. it's nice when you can do that |
| 07:10.31 | malreth | but i gotta keep wow in an encrypted archive on the laptop since it's state property and not technically mine |
| 07:10.31 | Iriel | I have my script write a bat file to set up the windows routing table |
| 07:10.36 | Iriel | And one to tear it down when i'm done |
| 07:10.40 | Iriel | Ah, my laptop is my own |
| 07:10.53 | Iriel | And work is too cheap to buy me one so far |
| 07:10.57 | Iriel | (Well, I haven't really asked) |
| 07:11.07 | malreth | ask. worst they can do is say no |
| 07:11.32 | Iriel | I'll wait for a slightly less annoying budgetary year |
| 07:11.37 | Iriel | thinkpad FTW |
| 07:11.42 | Iriel | Though Lenovo scare me |
| 07:11.44 | malreth | ok... those are nice to |
| 07:11.45 | malreth | too |
| 07:12.22 | Esamynn | Apple really hit a goldmine with OS X didn't it? ;) |
| 07:12.23 | malreth | well, the T41 was nice... i don't know much about ibm's current product line |
| 07:12.35 | malreth | os x is a fun os to hack around with |
| 07:12.39 | Iriel | I have a T41p |
| 07:12.47 | Esamynn | malreth: exactly my point |
| 07:13.09 | malreth | and their attention to detail on the construction of the computers is nice |
| 07:13.36 | malreth | if you've never examined the G5 tower (the aluminum case), i highly recommend it |
| 07:13.38 | Iriel | I feel the same way about thinkpad (T series, at any rate) construction |
| 07:13.42 | Esamynn | when the Mac OS wasn't unix/linux based, most computer people didn't even like to touch them |
| 07:14.18 | malreth | ooh! i just got the distro of OS X that's been hacked to run on standard x86 hardware |
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| 07:14.22 | malreth | forgot aabout that |
| 07:15.22 | malreth | i need to find some time to play around with that |
| 07:15.46 | malreth | kinda curious to see how it runs on my desktop |
| 07:16.28 | Esamynn | when I get a proper video card for my linux box, i'm going to see how WoW runs on Wine and OpenGL under linux ;) |
| 07:16.42 | malreth | and my pickles are done finally... got to taste them tonight! |
| 07:16.53 | malreth | cooking is like hacking too |
| 07:18.06 | malreth | my first batch are a little too sweet... i'll have to change that a bit for the next time i make them |
| 07:18.20 | [MoonWolf] | you make your own pickles ? |
| 07:18.26 | Esamynn | haha |
| 07:18.28 | malreth | yeyah. it's super easy |
| 07:18.37 | [MoonWolf] | wow, i like cooking, but that i like , hard core. |
| 07:18.43 | malreth | made pickled onions and cucumbers |
| 07:19.03 | malreth | they're just refrigerator pickles, not fermented or anything |
| 07:19.33 | malreth | pickles are a great snack food if you're on a diet and trying to lose weight |
| 07:19.49 | malreth | they're packed with flavor and nutrition but little to no calories |
| 07:20.32 | malreth | you can eat like 4 pickles and barely hit like 50 calories or something.. |
| 07:20.46 | malreth | you probably burn more chewing than you gain by eating them |
| 07:22.07 | malreth | gonna try pickling carrots and garlic next. probably won't make me very popular with other people, but it'll taste great |
| 07:22.20 | Iriel | 50 calories is about 40 minutes worth of daily energy |
| 07:22.29 | Iriel | assuming it's evenly distributed |
| 07:22.30 | Iriel | which it isn't |
| 07:22.32 | Iriel | but still 8-) |
| 07:22.43 | malreth | ok, yeah... |
| 07:22.44 | Iriel | if you can stay full for more than that on 4 pickles, you're ahead! |
| 07:22.44 | Esamynn | darn it, I need to stop logging into here, I get next to no coding done unless its dead in here |
| 07:23.08 | malreth | i exist only to distract |
| 07:23.12 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 07:23.47 | Esamynn | I sat down intending to finish adding a queue system to my guild's raid invite AddOn, but i've barely made any headway |
| 07:24.07 | malreth | well, think of what you've learned tonnight |
| 07:24.18 | malreth | that fuunction call timing thing |
| 07:24.27 | malreth | the extra 'u' is for 'uber' |
| 07:24.36 | malreth | or for typo |
| 07:24.39 | Iriel | I dont cook anywhere near as much as i should |
| 07:24.47 | malreth | pickles are fun and easy to make |
| 07:24.54 | Iriel | which is slighly embarassing given who I work for |
| 07:25.07 | malreth | you know... i've been meaning to ask |
| 07:25.11 | Esamynn | I knew that already, what i'd screwed up is what I said I was testing when I originally looked at the results of my test |
| 07:25.12 | malreth | who do you work for? |
| 07:25.18 | Iriel | http://www.williams-sonoma.com/ |
| 07:25.22 | Iriel | (Amongst others) |
| 07:25.23 | malreth | oh! |
| 07:25.32 | malreth | get me some silverware! |
| 07:25.46 | Esamynn | haha |
| 07:26.00 | Iriel | Pottery Barn may be better for that, I dunno, someof their styles are better |
| 07:26.10 | Iriel | though they discontinued the set we have at home |
| 07:26.19 | malreth | i work for http://www.utexas.edu/its/ |
| 07:26.47 | Iriel | ew, students |
| 07:27.35 | malreth | i build and maintain computer labs on campus for various departments and colleges under contract |
| 07:27.36 | Iriel | I was once |
| 07:27.42 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 07:27.44 | Iriel | But malreth has to deal with them on a daily basis 8-) |
| 07:27.48 | Iriel | well, their existance |
| 07:27.50 | malreth | actually, very little |
| 07:27.51 | Iriel | if not them, directly |
| 07:28.25 | malreth | i mostly deal with my dept. contact for each lab that i'm under contract for |
| 07:28.26 | Esamynn | that can be a good thing or a bad thing, depends on the student ;) |
| 07:28.47 | malreth | they deal with the lab users (usually students) |
| 07:29.15 | groll | hmm it is possible to cast an instant that doesnt call the global cooldown directly after a spell that does call the global cooldown? |
| 07:29.23 | malreth | i just deal with the computers... then i chat with my contact and find out what they need, if they're happy, etc... |
| 07:29.34 | malreth | groll: no |
| 07:29.42 | Iriel | groll: I very much doubt it |
| 07:30.05 | groll | it looks like it, but i'll test again.. i was like uuuum ok? cause it did look like i did :P |
| 07:30.11 | groll | i'll know in a min again :p |
| 07:30.39 | Iriel | Damn it, I was reading this and fell off the road in Silverpine |
| 07:30.46 | Esamynn | groll: is the spell that doesn't activate the global cooldown affected by the global cooldown? |
| 07:30.48 | Miravlix | Potter Potter Potter http://thefifthdistrict.com/potter/ |
| 07:30.53 | groll | no |
| 07:31.02 | Esamynn | then you should be able to |
| 07:31.04 | Iriel | oh, then that's different |
| 07:31.08 | groll | i cast earthbind totem then natur swiftness and then ghostwolf |
| 07:31.21 | groll | need a new buttonpress for the wolgie though |
| 07:31.53 | Esamynn | might be better to just macro NS and ghostwolf instead of the totem and NS |
| 07:32.11 | groll | hmm whY+ |
| 07:32.18 | malreth | ack... you're a superdave |
| 07:32.20 | groll | bah crap keyboard :P |
| 07:32.28 | Esamynn | shrug, just a thought |
| 07:32.36 | groll | huh? :P |
| 07:32.40 | Esamynn | ~lart malreth |
| 07:32.43 | malreth | a shaman |
| 07:32.47 | groll | and yep it was possible to cast it directly after |
| 07:33.01 | groll | shammys are nice and cuddly :D |
| 07:33.04 | malreth | superdave is our guild lingo |
| 07:33.13 | groll | and tiny gnomes i stomp upon :D |
| 07:33.16 | Esamynn | Druid >> Shaman :P |
| 07:33.38 | Miravlix | No one stomps on my gnome warrior, he owns. :p |
| 07:33.38 | groll | i'm so powerfull i create ungoro crater when i fart :D |
| 07:33.57 | Kemayo | Lua question: I'm calling a function which is returning three values for color (via "return r,g,b"). I'd like to take these three values and put them directly into a table ("{color=getColor(foo)}"). Is there a syntax that supports that? Or will I have to have a separate line saying "color = {}; color.r, color.g, color.b = getColor(foo)"? |
| 07:34.02 | groll | kinda old but still funny :P |
| 07:34.41 | Esamynn | I love my druid so much that I've been playing my druid since I started that first Christmas and I still have a hard time playing any other class |
| 07:34.52 | Esamynn | hard as in I perfer to play my druid |
| 07:35.05 | groll | u sure u wanna hear the answer i get back? :p |
| 07:35.07 | malreth | Kemayo: the second way that you posted is probably the simplest and easiest |
| 07:35.09 | Iriel | Kemayo : You can do color = { getColor(foo) } |
| 07:35.12 | Esamynn | i'm somewhere around 80 something days |
| 07:35.16 | Depherios | NEVER START WITH A DRUID |
| 07:35.17 | Depherios | EVER |
| 07:35.20 | Esamynn | I did |
| 07:35.24 | Depherios | You will never play anything else comfortably |
| 07:35.24 | groll | 98 days, 6 hours :D |
| 07:35.28 | Depherios | lol |
| 07:35.29 | Iriel | Kemayo : You end up with color[1] = r color[2] = g color[3] = b |
| 07:35.32 | groll | that's on this char :p |
| 07:35.40 | groll | then i got like 4 lvl 20-30 chars :p |
| 07:35.49 | Esamynn | I'm slowly lvling a hunter, for farming :) |
| 07:36.11 | Iriel | Kemayo : If you want the indexes r, g, and b then yo need to do it explicitly local r,g,b = getColor(foo) color = { r=r, g=g, b=b } |
| 07:36.13 | malreth | yeah, but if you want color.r, color.g, color.b... a table and not an array (vector) |
| 07:36.15 | Depherios | I quit the druid early (first character) and made a priest, stuck with that for now, still want to make a druid |
| 07:36.25 | Esamynn | Kemayo { getColor(foo) } |
| 07:36.37 | Depherios | leveled everything to 20 except rogue, warrior, and pally though in the interval(sp?) |
| 07:36.44 | Esamynn | Kemayo, is one way |
| 07:36.50 | groll | hehe |
| 07:37.03 | malreth | now, if you were insane... you'd code up an object |
| 07:37.14 | malreth | and rig up the metatable to create the table for you like that |
| 07:37.20 | Iriel | Priest, Shaman, and Paladin are the only 3 classes I haven't playted to 25/30ish |
| 07:37.30 | Kemayo | It's my own fault, really -- I started out by assuming that everything would work like blizzard's GetDifficultyColor, which returns {r=r, g=g, b=b}... |
| 07:37.48 | Esamynn | Kemayo, but my way would give you integer keys |
| 07:37.53 | Kemayo | Ooo, objects. :-P |
| 07:38.22 | Iriel | The other option is closures |
| 07:38.23 | Kemayo | I prefer the non-integer keys. Much, much, much more readable when I want to mess with this code again in six months. |
| 07:38.25 | Iriel | Which can be fun |
| 07:38.28 | Esamynn | I got a Paladin to lvl 6, for testing purposes, then I quit |
| 07:38.40 | Iriel | local createColorClosure(r,g,b) return function() return r,g,b end end |
| 07:38.45 | malreth | Kemayo: agreed. the code would be much more readable |
| 07:38.55 | Iriel | or, more correctly |
| 07:39.03 | Iriel | local createColorClosure(r,g,b,a) return function() return r,g,b,a end end |
| 07:39.38 | malreth | oh gahd... closures are so cool |
| 07:39.43 | malreth | i love using them |
| 07:39.44 | Esamynn | Depherios: did you start with a Druid? |
| 07:39.54 | Esamynn | haha |
| 07:40.24 | malreth | they're like the black belt kata of lua scripting |
| 07:40.59 | Esamynn | what do yout think you are huh? a functional programmer? :P |
| 07:42.02 | Esamynn | ~haskell |
| 07:42.04 | purl | hmm... haskell is a non-strict purely functional programming language, named after the logician Haskell B. Curry. A free implementation is in the hugs package. The language specification is in the haskell-doc package. See http://haskell.org for more info. or GHC is a free Haskell compiler. Ask me about it. Even more perlish than perl!, or very evil |
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| 07:42.30 | Esamynn | ~perl |
| 07:42.31 | purl | perl is, like, at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language |
| 07:42.41 | malreth | i failed calculus three times in college but I passed logic with flying colors |
| 07:42.45 | malreth | figure that out |
| 07:43.00 | Kemayo | "lambda (v.) - to lambda" |
| 07:44.13 | malreth | somehow I could figure out predicate and lambda calculus... |
| 07:44.52 | Esamynn | ooooh, GroupHeal is about to hit 10,000 downloads! a milestone :) |
| 07:45.03 | malreth | gratz |
| 07:45.24 | Esamynn | and I haven't padded it myself at all ;) |
| 07:46.02 | Kemayo | Okay, second question! I'm messing with item tooltips in the backpack. Is there a more efficient way to do it than hooking "ContainerFrameItemButton_OnEnter"? (That works, but seems to get called on every graphical update... and I only need to check something about the item once.) |
| 07:46.21 | Iriel | Private tooltip and SetContainerItem ? |
| 07:47.50 | malreth | oh... i should tell you all |
| 07:48.19 | malreth | my girlfriend and i... our relationship level dinged |
| 07:48.23 | Kemayo | I don't think that would do what I want -- I'm just checking to see whether the item is required by a quest, and adding the name of that quest into the tooltip if it is. |
| 07:49.00 | Iriel | Kemayo : You could try hooking GameTooltip's SetContainerItem method |
| 07:49.07 | Iriel | malreth : Congratulations, what level is it now? |
| 07:49.16 | malreth | level engaged... |
| 07:49.23 | Iriel | malreth : The ringy one? |
| 07:49.23 | malreth | yep |
| 07:49.39 | Esamynn | you want OnEnter than Kemayo, it is often called by the OnUpdate handler to keep the tooltip updated if the item is on cooldown |
| 07:49.39 | Iriel | malreth : cool, i'm at that level myself at present |
| 07:49.45 | malreth | yay! |
| 07:49.48 | Esamynn | grats malreth |
| 07:49.54 | Iriel | Esamynn : I think it's better to hook SetContainerItem |
| 07:50.08 | Iriel | Esamynn : Since they get refreshed regularly (the container item tooltips) |
| 07:50.40 | Esamynn | hooking OnEnter will net you the same affect |
| 07:50.52 | malreth | Esamynn: thanks |
| 07:51.23 | Esamynn | but yes, maybe that type of hook does belong on the Tooltip function |
| 07:51.37 | Kemayo | Gratz indeed, Esamynn. |
| 07:52.53 | Kemayo | Iriel: I can't find mention of a SetContainerItem method -- do you mean SetInventoryItem? |
| 07:52.53 | Esamynn | malreth, you've been playing too much WoW, you know how I know, it was the phrase "our relationship level dinged" that gave it away |
| 07:53.15 | Esamynn | yah, i'm sure he does |
| 07:53.28 | Kemayo | Esamynn: Okay... I guess I'll simplify my data structure to require less looping. |
| 07:53.28 | malreth | Esamynn: oh, that ain't the half of it. I made and passed this picture around to tell people about the event. http://lj.tylerriti.org/lj_images/picard_eng.jpg |
| 07:53.51 | Kemayo | Snerk. |
| 07:53.58 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 07:54.11 | malreth | picard is teh awesome |
| 07:55.01 | Esamynn | well anyways, night all, I should have gone to bed an hour ago ;) |
| 07:55.07 | malreth | meeeee too |
| 07:55.15 | malreth | ZZZZzzzzz everyone |
| 07:55.17 | malreth | later |
| 07:58.52 | Kemayo | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/studiopc/LJ_commentary/wackpost.jpg |
| 07:59.20 | Iriel | Kemayo : Yes, i did, sorry 8-) |
| 08:03.06 | Kemayo | ...there isn't any equivalent to python's 'if foo in bar:' construct in lua, is there? |
| 08:05.36 | Iriel | I dont know python well enough to answer that |
| 08:05.40 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.17 | Kemayo | Yes; bar is a list, and the expression returns true if foo is == to a value in that list. |
| 08:06.24 | Iriel | ah, then no |
| 08:06.37 | Iriel | I usually do lookup tables for that kind of thing |
| 08:06.38 | Kemayo | Shame. It's all understandable, and stuff. |
| 08:06.59 | Iriel | lookup = { ["aaa"] = 1, ["bbb"] = 1 } |
| 08:07.08 | Iriel | if (lookup[foo]) then .. end |
| 08:46.48 | AnduinLothar | ya python's lists are uber |
| 08:47.50 | Kemayo | Python's great... but I can see why they went with something like Lua. It's very compact. |
| 08:48.15 | AnduinLothar | ya tabs aren't so great for macros |
| 08:48.50 | AnduinLothar | python enforces readability |
| 08:50.02 | Kemayo | I was thinking of the libraries, actually... :-) |
| 08:50.09 | AnduinLothar | that too |
| 08:50.31 | AnduinLothar | don't need most of the stuff in python compat |
| 08:50.43 | Kemayo | But yeah, explaining the significance of whitespace to the average user....... I don't like to think about it. |
| 08:51.28 | Iriel | It's easy enough to WRITE 'isInList' in lua |
| 08:51.56 | Iriel | function isInList(list, entry) do for k,v in pairs(list) if v==entry then return k end end end |
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| 09:24.59 | wereHamster | morning |
| 09:25.11 | AnduinLothar | lolz "The use of 'if', 'for' and other flow control statements has been deemed exploitable, and have been removed from the Lua script implementation." |
| 09:25.48 | AnduinLothar | "A total of 26 new flightpaths have been added to various points throughout the Barrens. " |
| 09:26.01 | Wobin_ | hehe it's great |
| 09:26.41 | AnduinLothar | lol wisps |
| 09:28.33 | AnduinLothar | "The Paladinner drive-thru special ? grab your food and speed on home in a bubble of joy and comfort" |
| 09:30.35 | AnduinLothar | lol wisp facial hair |
| 09:30.42 | Iriel | AnduinLothar :Slouken clarified the lua restriction in the UI forum post |
| 09:31.38 | AnduinLothar | You Die. Perminently. |
| 09:31.55 | AnduinLothar | 50 whole mana, wow |
| 09:33.03 | AnduinLothar | lol, no lua |
| 09:33.22 | AnduinLothar | Visual Basic lol |
| 09:38.51 | wereHamster | anduin, what are you reading ? |
| 09:42.50 | Iriel | He's reading worldofwarcraft.com and the 1.11 patch notes thread in the UI forum |
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| 09:48.39 | wereHamster | 'Number keys can no longer activate character abilities. In many cases, this gave certain players a slight advantage over those that used their mouse to activate their abilities.' .. who clicks the abilities with the mouse ?!? |
| 09:53.40 | wereHamster | OTOH, I'd like the flightpath scenery improvements.. it's kinda boring to always fly the same path.. ;) |
| 09:54.32 | [MoonWolf] | nobody actually looks while flying right. |
| 09:54.37 | [MoonWolf] | i alt tab and do something else. |
| 09:55.15 | wereHamster | [MoonWolf], you are not enjoying WoW, are you? |
| 09:55.31 | [MoonWolf] | what makes you say that ? |
| 09:56.00 | [MoonWolf] | I can dream 90% of the flight paths |
| 09:56.25 | wereHamster | flying is soo nice.. and would be much nicer if you saw even more of azeroth while flying :) |
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| 09:57.58 | [MoonWolf] | your one of the people who actually enjoy's a druid town -> thunderbluff flight arent you ? |
| 09:58.37 | Wobin_ | I like the new flightpaths |
| 09:58.46 | Wobin_ | oneclick travel and get a cuppa |
| 09:58.49 | L|Elviso | I'd pay 5000g for the ability to make all flights last 30s |
| 10:05.23 | Miravlix | Is it still true that UnitInParty( pet ) still doesn't work? |
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| 10:12.13 | Iriel | Hey Tem, aren't you supposed to be asleep |
| 10:12.29 | Tem | like 2 hours ago |
| 10:12.38 | Iriel | Miravlix : What do you mean by "Doesn't work" (and do you mean "pet" not pet) ? |
| 10:19.59 | Miravlix | UnitInRaid( target ) where target points to a pet |
| 10:20.10 | Miravlix | Or UnitInParty( target ) where target points to a pet |
| 10:20.24 | Miravlix | Testing without a party, player returns true, pet returns nil |
| 10:21.18 | Iriel | that might not be "broken" as much as just how it works |
| 10:21.32 | Iriel | Afterall the pet isn't a party/raid member, its owner is |
| 10:21.35 | Iriel | You didn't /invite the pet |
| 10:22.18 | Miravlix | The pet is till in the raid according to raidpet# |
| 10:22.39 | Miravlix | So it makes little sense it isn't true for UnitInRaid() too |
| 10:22.41 | Iriel | Oh, so the result depends on the unit ID? |
| 10:23.00 | Iriel | so UnitIsUnit("raidpetX", "target") |
| 10:23.10 | Miravlix | But I don't beleive UnitInX was updated to support it |
| 10:23.11 | Iriel | And yet UnitInRaid("target") ~= UnitInRaid("raidpetX") |
| 10:23.11 | Iriel | ? |
| 10:24.01 | Miravlix | UnitIsUnit("raidpetX", target) in a for loop is how I check now |
| 10:24.53 | Miravlix | Just wondering if Slouken has overlooked that they put raidpetX into the game |
| 10:24.58 | Miravlix | so pets are in raids now |
| 10:25.31 | Miravlix | Since my test shows that pets still isn't supported by UnitInX |
| 10:25.57 | Iriel | That doesn't answer my question though |
| 10:26.36 | Iriel | Are you getting inconsistent results for the same entity? |
| 10:26.43 | Iriel | Or do pets always return nil |
| 10:26.45 | Iriel | period. |
| 10:27.02 | Miravlix | They aren't supported, period. |
| 10:27.31 | Iriel | If they always return nil, then they aren't supported _the way you want them to be_. |
| 10:27.55 | Miravlix | Since we can make raid class list, can I somehow get all hunters and all warlocks to just check those for pets? |
| 10:28.04 | Miravlix | wtf |
| 10:28.12 | Iriel | Iterate over the raid set and check UnitClass? |
| 10:28.14 | Miravlix | I asked if UnitInX supports pets |
| 10:28.16 | Miravlix | NOTHING ELSE |
| 10:28.25 | Iriel | or check UnitExists("raidpetX") ? |
| 10:28.55 | Miravlix | I have a target and I need to know if it's in the raid |
| 10:29.20 | Iriel | To be accurate, you asked if UnitInParty(pet) still doesn't work |
| 10:29.34 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 10:29.37 | Iriel | I was trying to ascertain whether I agreed it was broken, or just not as useful as you'd like it to be |
| 10:29.44 | Miravlix | And whats the difference between that and supported? |
| 10:30.16 | Miravlix | All I needed was a Yes or a No |
| 10:30.18 | Iriel | As I said, it's possible that the code just doesn't consider the pet a member of the raid, only its owner. |
| 10:30.24 | Miravlix | a don't know is perfectly fine too |
| 10:30.28 | Miravlix | I don¨'t have time for this |
| 10:30.58 | Wobin_ | ... |
| 10:32.05 | Iriel | I'd apologize for trying to help clairify and raise an issue with the API, except that I dont feel I have anything to apologize FOR. |
| 10:36.04 | Miravlix | I'm not raising any issues with the APi |
| 10:36.10 | Miravlix | I'm just asking if something works |
| 10:38.25 | Miravlix | Since UnitInParty("player") always return 1, I can only check for being in a party by doing UnitExists("party1)? |
| 10:38.33 | Iriel | GetNumPartyMembers() |
| 10:38.46 | Miravlix | Oh yes much better |
| 10:38.49 | Iriel | it's > 0 when you're partied |
| 10:38.55 | Iriel | Ditto GetNumRaidMembers() for a raid |
| 10:41.36 | wereHamster | [MoonWolf], I play on Alliance side :) |
| 10:41.49 | wereHamster | and I've never been in thudnerbluff |
| 10:47.45 | Wobin_ | hrm, where to go to farm silk? |
| 11:01.46 | Kemayo | Satyrs in Ashenvale seemed to be dropping a lot of it tonight. |
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| 11:35.25 | L|Elviso | run SM and get tons of silk |
| 11:38.58 | Wobin_ | Ah yeah |
| 11:55.51 | L|Elviso | anyone use AceHeal? |
| 11:56.15 | Wobin_ | yep |
| 11:56.23 | Wobin_ | aaaallll the time =) |
| 11:56.27 | Wobin_ | with needylist |
| 11:56.37 | L|Elviso | Ok |
| 11:56.43 | L|Elviso | How can I set a profile for it? |
| 11:56.52 | L|Elviso | It's loading my druid profile on my shaman |
| 11:57.04 | Wobin_ | ace profile char AceHeal |
| 11:57.06 | Wobin_ | I think |
| 11:57.20 | L|Elviso | ugh, I have to use the default Ace system |
| 11:57.57 | Wobin_ | ? |
| 11:58.05 | Wobin_ | That's the point =P |
| 11:58.06 | L|Elviso | I see in the upper-right, it has "profile: default" in AceHeal |
| 11:58.26 | L|Elviso | I figured there'd be a way to change the profile within AH |
| 11:58.31 | Wobin_ | ah |
| 11:58.44 | Wobin_ | you can ace profile class Aceheal |
| 11:58.49 | Wobin_ | if you want to profile by class |
| 11:58.59 | L|Elviso | I use discord stuff, and they all start with the default profile |
| 11:59.38 | Wobin_ | sob |
| 11:59.43 | Wobin_ | 20g in learning =P |
| 11:59.47 | L|Elviso | no biggie, just not used to it |
| 11:59.47 | Kirov | You know what I don't like about Ace? |
| 11:59.53 | Wobin_ | What's that? |
| 12:00.04 | Kirov | it's main interface is / commands |
| 12:00.10 | Wobin_ | Hehe |
| 12:00.28 | Wobin_ | They're working on something somewhat graphical |
| 12:00.31 | Kirov | I mean, it makes sense from a memory perspective, but it seems like something along the lines of MyAddons would be nice |
| 12:00.38 | Wobin_ | but since it's more a framework than anything... |
| 12:01.01 | L|Elviso | *cough*AceGUI*cough* hehe |
| 12:01.19 | Wobin_ | AceGUI is more for making GUIs for your ace addon |
| 12:01.31 | Wobin_ | not really for a GUI for Ace |
| 12:01.35 | L|Elviso | like Ace itself? hehe |
| 12:01.49 | Wobin_ | I can't really see that much use for it honestly |
| 12:01.53 | L|Elviso | at least with Ace you can /ace list |
| 12:01.59 | Wobin_ | I use ace slash commands maybe... 3% of the time |
| 12:02.06 | L|Elviso | and it'll tell you what the slash cmds are for the ace addons |
| 12:02.09 | Wobin_ | maybe once for a new addon |
| 12:03.22 | Wobin_ | HRm, do you reckon Spiritual Healing is worth it? |
| 12:03.24 | Wobin_ | as a talent? |
| 12:04.40 | L|Elviso | one thing I don't like about AceHeal vs. CastParty....in CP, if you clicked the portrait it'd just target |
| 12:04.52 | L|Elviso | in AH you have to setup a click-combo if you want to target someone |
| 12:05.02 | Wobin_ | Or use needylist =) |
| 12:05.11 | L|Elviso | I don't use that |
| 12:05.15 | L|Elviso | should I? :) |
| 12:05.21 | Wobin_ | Although you'd have to unhook aceheal from the normal interface |
| 12:05.27 | Wobin_ | I quite like it |
| 12:05.35 | Wobin_ | It prioritises stuff for me |
| 12:05.37 | L|Elviso | unhook it? why? |
| 12:05.47 | Wobin_ | So you -can- target with click |
| 12:06.02 | Wobin_ | since you have needylist linked to Aceheal for the clickhealing |
| 12:06.23 | Wobin_ | My only issue with needylist is the memory consumption |
| 12:06.28 | L|Elviso | and sorry, I haven't played my priest in many months, don't know if SH is worth it |
| 12:07.15 | L|Elviso | ok....I set profiles on both my druid & shammy, then changed some AH stuff on my shammy and it changed my druid's as well |
| 12:07.17 | L|Elviso | wth |
| 12:10.26 | L|Elviso | and in the code it looks like the profile part is commented out |
| 12:12.01 | L|Elviso | hrmm I didn't explicitly add AH to the profile though |
| 12:12.14 | L|Elviso | like it says in the post, maybe that's why |
| 12:12.58 | L|Elviso | ok I bet so, I did that and now it says "Shaman" in the profile box of the config GUI |
| 12:15.25 | L|Elviso | Yup, that was it. |
| 12:16.05 | L|Elviso | Everything's fine now, no need to panic! |
| 12:21.25 | L|Elviso | Hrmm I wonder what messed up my BP tooltips now |
| 12:23.48 | Kirov | does setn() only work on integer tables? |
| 12:24.22 | Kirov | ie: I can't use it to manually store table lengths on hash tables? |
| 12:32.55 | L|Elviso | [MW-oblivion] You here? |
| 12:33.33 | [MW-oblivion] | KINDA |
| 12:33.41 | [MW-oblivion] | sup ? |
| 12:33.44 | L|Elviso | You didn't happen to uhhh... |
| 12:33.52 | L|Elviso | like make an April fools joke, did you? :) |
| 12:34.07 | [MW-oblivion] | i kinda did. |
| 12:34.13 | L|Elviso | hehe |
| 12:34.28 | Wobin_ | Kirov: I believe so yes |
| 12:34.55 | Wobin_ | or rather you can, but it will just be setting a value |
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| 12:52.33 | Shouryuu|TiePro | rawr |
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| 13:02.45 | Wobin_ | TiePro? |
| 13:03.32 | Shouryuu|TiePro | I learnt how to tie a tie! |
| 13:03.54 | Wobin_ | windsor knot? |
| 13:19.39 | Cairenn | morning |
| 13:21.49 | Shouryuu|TiePro | Wobin_ No idea, simple knot |
| 13:32.17 | Shouryuu|TiePro | V for vandetta is quite a good movie |
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| 13:58.23 | Legorol^ | Starcraft: Ghost postponed indefinitely? I see this on many news sites, has Blizzard come out with an official press release yet? |
| 13:58.32 | Legorol^ | I also noticed teh Ghost logo is gone on Blizzard's page |
| 13:58.51 | Codayus | <shrug> |
| 13:58.55 | Codayus | Could be...could be not. |
| 14:00.23 | Codayus | Probably "not" given the date. :-) |
| 14:02.56 | Legorol^ | it wasn't today |
| 14:02.58 | Legorol^ | about a week ago |
| 14:03.13 | Codayus | Hmm, that's rather more plausible. |
| 14:03.17 | Legorol^ | the US ghost page isn't coming up |
| 14:03.23 | Legorol^ | the UK one still does, wonder how long.. |
| 14:03.24 | Codayus | I haven't heard anything though. |
| 14:03.32 | Legorol^ | try google: starcraft ghost |
| 14:03.40 | Legorol^ | first 5 hits are about how it's cancelled |
| 14:03.51 | Legorol^ | slashdot, gamespy etc have artcles |
| 14:04.09 | Cairenn | http://www.guforums.com/showthread.php?t=8492#8492 |
| 14:04.16 | Cairenn | it's on "indefinite hold" |
| 14:07.52 | Legorol^ | thanks Cairenn |
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| 14:11.14 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 14:11.20 | Shouryuu|TiePro | hey |
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| 14:15.11 | L|Elviso | In DUF, does anyone know which element it is that handles the "+critical" events? |
| 14:43.38 | AnduinLothar | they're prolly waiting till the expansion's out and then porting everything to the next gen consoles |
| 14:44.14 | AnduinLothar | we were having frequent problems of hitting the wall on platform limits |
| 14:44.31 | AnduinLothar | the amount of ram in the ps2 is abysmal |
| 14:45.43 | ckknight | how much is it? |
| 14:46.18 | AnduinLothar | dunno, but worse than the xbox by like half and we were hitting the xbox limit |
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| 14:56.07 | Shouryuu|TiePro | V for vandetta is a very very very good movie |
| 15:01.21 | L|Elviso | It's a novel idea |
| 15:02.50 | Legorol^ | AnduinLothar: wee, leak us some inside info! |
| 15:02.59 | Legorol^ | is Ghost completely abandoned, or will it be resurrected later |
| 15:05.33 | AnduinLothar | i don't know |
| 15:09.05 | Kirkburn | It seems silly to completely abandon it now |
| 15:09.26 | Kirkburn | Given it was playable, and was evidently not far for finished |
| 15:09.32 | Kirkburn | *from |
| 15:10.22 | Kirkburn | They can afford to take masses of time over it, what with there rather improved cash inflow :) |
| 15:10.29 | Kirkburn | *their :( |
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| 15:15.47 | Kirkburn | Btw, if some people didn't get the link last night, there's a new Gamespot Burning Crusade interview with Tigole http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/worldofwarcraftexp1/news.html?sid=6146909 |
| 15:23.11 | Legorol^ | lol, i just noticed this on the Wisp detonate screenshot: |
| 15:23.13 | Legorol^ | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/burningcrusade/imageviewer.html?,/shared/wow-com/images/burningcrusade/screenshots/,41,42,townhall/wisps.html |
| 15:23.18 | Legorol^ | have a look at the abilities on the action bar |
| 15:23.24 | Legorol^ | in particular, action 1 and 2 |
| 15:23.25 | Legorol^ | and laugh |
| 15:26.12 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 15:26.18 | Wobin_ | And Keanu going "Woah" |
| 15:27.17 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, draining 50 mana... |
| 15:27.19 | [MoonWolf] | awesome |
| 15:30.26 | AnduinLothar | those are nice bags for doing sm lvl.. |
| 15:30.42 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
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| 15:36.05 | Legorol^ | i always loved SciTe as my Lua editor, especially because it can execute Lua code in-place |
| 15:36.17 | Legorol^ | but now i'm starting to learn how to script the editor itself in Lua |
| 15:36.24 | Legorol^ | so i can add any extra features i'm missing! fun fun |
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| 15:49.31 | L|Elviso | Can someone give me some macro help |
| 15:49.39 | L|Elviso | for my shaman |
| 15:49.51 | ckknight | what's your problem? |
| 15:50.02 | L|Elviso | trying to make one where if ghost wolf is active, cancel it....if it's not active, cast it |
| 15:50.10 | L|Elviso | I tried this but it does nothing: |
| 15:50.12 | L|Elviso | local _,_,z=GetShapeshiftFormInfo(1); if (z) then CastShapeshiftForm(0) else CastShapeshiftForm(1) end; |
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| 15:51.33 | L|Elviso | [09:50] <L|Elviso> trying to make one where if ghost wolf is active, cancel it....if it's not active, cast it |
| 15:51.33 | L|Elviso | [09:50] <L|Elviso> I tried this but it does nothing: |
| 15:51.33 | L|Elviso | [09:50] <L|Elviso> local _,_,z=GetShapeshiftFormInfo(1); if (z) then CastShapeshiftForm(0) else CastShapeshiftForm(1) end; |
| 15:52.04 | ckknight | hrm |
| 15:52.06 | ckknight | okay |
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| 15:54.59 | L|Elviso | I just assume GW is considered a "shapeshift" since that's the error I get when trying to talk to a vendor in GW form |
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| 15:57.09 | Wobin_ | yes |
| 15:57.31 | Wobin_ | well... actually I have no idea |
| 15:57.37 | L|Elviso | If you've bit off more than you can chew ckknight, don't worry about it... |
| 16:02.37 | ckknight | yea, I dunno, L|elviso |
| 16:03.06 | L|Elviso | that's fine, thanks anyways |
| 16:04.44 | Codayus | L|Elviso: Do shaman get a stance/shapeshift bar? |
| 16:04.50 | L|Elviso | No. |
| 16:05.10 | Wobin_ | It's more of an aura I think |
| 16:05.54 | ckknight | it gives you a buff? |
| 16:06.23 | Wobin_ | ghostwolf? yeah, speed |
| 16:06.31 | L|Elviso | 40% |
| 16:06.38 | Codayus | My information indicates shapeshift only applies to druid forms, rogue stealth, and warrior stances. |
| 16:07.02 | Codayus | What does GetNumShapeshiftForms() return? |
| 16:07.25 | Wobin_ | ~x de en Dauerhaft |
| 16:07.32 | Codayus | (And possibly paladin auras. Not sure.) |
| 16:08.08 | Kirkburn | Hehehe http://www.google.com/romance/ |
| 16:08.21 | Tain | "Note: those who generally favor the “throw enough stuff at the wall” approach to online dating might find it useful to employ our Batch Profile Uploading option." |
| 16:08.37 | Codayus | !!! |
| 16:08.37 | L|Elviso | [1]=0 |
| 16:08.44 | L|Elviso | Codayus |
| 16:08.46 | Codayus | A comment on wowwiki about RegisterForSaves |
| 16:08.50 | Codayus | "Looks to be illegal to use in 1.10 (Blizzard UI only) any alternatives?" |
| 16:09.02 | [MoonWolf] | some people |
| 16:09.08 | Tain | What's sad is I couldn't tell if it was a joke or not. I mean, would anyone actually be surprised if Google started in on the online dating thing? |
| 16:09.16 | [MoonWolf] | not really no |
| 16:09.16 | Kirkburn | "Post multiple profiles with |
| 16:09.16 | Kirkburn | a bulk upload file, you sleaze" |
| 16:09.27 | [MoonWolf] | but the text on all the pages makes it clear it is a joke. |
| 16:09.36 | Codayus | L|Elviso: Okay, in that case, shamans don't have shapeshift forms. |
| 16:09.44 | Kirkburn | When you search you get "Romance not found" |
| 16:09.56 | L|Elviso | Codayus, damn |
| 16:10.14 | Codayus | L|Elviso: I guess the next step would be to scan for buffs. Shouldn't be too hard. |
| 16:10.33 | Tain | I like how there's real ads in there though. |
| 16:10.36 | Tain | "Don't forget that Google Mobile offers numerous opportunities for impressing your date with quick references to news headlines, factoids and tidbits." |
| 16:11.14 | L|Elviso | Codayus: ok, thanks |
| 16:12.09 | Kirkburn | Lol, I *love* the Google Romance tour |
| 16:13.36 | Kirkburn | What if I don’t want to see contextual dating ads? |
| 16:13.36 | Kirkburn | Don’t use the product. |
| 16:14.29 | Kirkburn | "Our internal projections say Contextual Dating is going to be unbelievably huge, just a total cash cow," said Google CEO Eric Schmidt |
| 16:16.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Miravlix (i=dragon@0x3e42aafc.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 16:16.34 | Kirkburn | I want http://www.gtachicago.com/ |
| 16:16.55 | Tain | Oh no. http://locusmag.com/2006/Features/0401_Adult_Star_Wars.html |
| 16:17.02 | Tain | "...she cited the hiring of Pulitzer Prize winner E. Annie Proulx to pen Brokeback Falcon, a novel which explores the forbidden love between Han Solo and Chewbacca." |
| 16:17.54 | [MoonWolf] | that would not suprise me at all. |
| 16:17.57 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 16:18.08 | [MoonWolf] | i can only think, poor han. |
| 16:18.38 | Tain | You never know, Chewie could be the catcher. |
| 16:19.23 | Kirkburn | Mmm, hairy |
| 16:20.37 | [MoonWolf] | very |
| 16:20.44 | Wobin_ | Should suggest that to tekkub =P |
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| 16:31.44 | Tain | I'd just like to make a public service announcement that I love the new PSP I got. I haven't even played a store-bought game yet and I love it. |
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| 16:33.25 | Kirkburn | Erm, yay? |
| 16:33.58 | Kirkburn | Christ, when will Curse actually work? |
| 16:34.21 | Kirkburn | I haven't actually been able to see my addon for 3 days |
| 16:34.44 | AnduinLothar | don't feel too bad. i haven't updated my 30 addons either |
| 16:36.19 | Ktron| | Hey, I've got a performance/concept question |
| 16:37.33 | Kirkburn | Should I be imagining the question now? |
| 16:37.46 | Ktron | I'm just typing it out, working on wording and length heh :) |
| 16:37.52 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 16:38.29 | Kirkburn | Cos, y'know, I thought u were just being theoretical and metaphysical |
| 16:38.32 | Ktron | Would an addon, like move anything, that created frames or similiar to act as new parents for objects that are moved use more memory and/or more cpu than changing all the moved objects parents to UIParent and then positioning them that way? |
| 16:38.34 | Tain | If a service is going to continually be poor then at some point it becomes the fault of the person using the service for banging their head against it for that long. |
| 16:38.45 | Ktron | Tain, heh |
| 16:39.44 | Ktron | the 'middle' frames don't need to have any art or anything, I'm just curious whether there's a noticeable different between Frame->PositioningFrame->UIParent and Frame->UIParent |
| 16:39.51 | Ktron | I hope I explained that alright |
| 16:42.46 | Ktron | Apparently, I am asking the wrong part of the crowd heh |
| 16:44.38 | Crispix | o_o; |
| 16:44.49 | Crispix | Blizzard's april fools joke this year sucks :( |
| 16:45.04 | Kirkburn | Lol, Aeus (EU CM) admitted he used an AutoTravel mod |
| 16:45.34 | L|Elviso | Anyone have a quick regex to match "Spell_Nature_SpiritWolf" in Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Nature_SpiritWolf? |
| 16:45.49 | Miravlix | RegEx? |
| 16:45.53 | Miravlix | You gotta be kidding me |
| 16:45.53 | Kirkburn | (Crispix, Burgercraft, 1.11 patch notes, Wisps sucked? Christ, what do you want, blood?) |
| 16:46.06 | Crispix | Wisps did |
| 16:46.11 | Miravlix | just do string.find(texture, text) |
| 16:46.14 | Crispix | Didn't see BUrger Craft or 1.11 |
| 16:46.23 | L|Elviso | Ok, thanks |
| 16:46.50 | Crispix | see .. now BurgerCraft makes me laugh |
| 16:47.20 | Crispix | The Zerg Rush All-You-Can-Eat Special <-- rofl |
| 16:47.30 | Kirkburn | Moofire Spam :P |
| 16:47.44 | Crispix | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.52 | Wobin_ | Hell, I liked the wisp screenshot |
| 16:48.06 | Wobin_ | Especially the one with Doan |
| 16:48.12 | Crispix | THe wisp looks too much like V from V for Vendetta.. lmao |
| 16:48.27 | Kirkburn | In response to BurgerCraft, this thread was excellent: "Casual diner PISSED about Burgercraft" http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=7720342 |
| 16:48.29 | Wobin_ | Casper does one final service for Elune. |
| 16:48.40 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 16:48.43 | Kirkburn | Keanu says "woah!" |
| 16:48.59 | Wobin_ | 6 minutes til release... |
| 16:49.03 | Wobin_ | reroll character |
| 16:49.27 | Kirkburn | I wanted to play with the facial hair options |
| 16:49.38 | Crispix | hey does anyone know if you actually have to PLAY a character to have him register on the forum select screen? |
| 16:50.20 | Crispix | because I created a level 1 toon just for talking, haven't played him yet, but he's not coming up in my character selectable choices in the forums.. |
| 16:51.12 | Miravlix | Not another lame ass level 1 poster |
| 16:51.16 | Crispix | is Cairenn around? *got an awesome idea for the sites april fool joke* |
| 16:51.24 | Crispix | Miravlix -- My Main toon doesn't work any more |
| 16:51.28 | Cairenn | yo |
| 16:51.35 | kremonte | redirect it to eqinterface :D |
| 16:51.38 | Tain | I think it's not real-time updating on the forums for your selectible characters. |
| 16:51.58 | Crispix | Cairenn---'MazzleFizz, decides not to release (or releases... can't tell which would create more hype)... her UI.. |
| 16:52.11 | Cairenn | no |
| 16:53.18 | Crispix | :( |
| 16:53.50 | JoshBorke | heya cairenn |
| 16:53.59 | Cairenn | hey |
| 16:54.01 | JoshBorke | ok, i have a encoding information in a string question :-) |
| 16:54.08 | Cairenn | 'sup? |
| 16:54.13 | JoshBorke | (not just for you cair :D) |
| 16:54.20 | Cairenn | Crispix: sorry, but that would go a bit too far |
| 16:54.24 | Kirkburn | I half expected you to say "dude" |
| 16:54.27 | Wobin_ | Snakes on that plane? |
| 16:54.38 | Cairenn | d00d |
| 16:54.45 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 16:54.51 | JoshBorke | Ok, so I want to encode information in a string with teh format "<toon name>:<toon2 name>:..." |
| 16:54.59 | Crispix | Cairenn :S.. okay. :( |
| 16:55.05 | Kirkburn | Nooo, he said toon! |
| 16:55.05 | Cairenn | d3\/\/d |
| 16:55.17 | JoshBorke | it's easy to ADD information to the string with just <my string> = <my string>..<new toon>..':' |
| 16:55.19 | Kirkburn | wewt |
| 16:55.19 | Wobin_ | ~lart Cairenn |
| 16:55.35 | JoshBorke | how can i REMOVE a name from the string? |
| 16:55.36 | Maldivia | now that's just mean! |
| 16:55.47 | Wobin_ | ... |
| 16:56.01 | Wobin_ | You'd have to explode the string, remove the entry and recatenate it |
| 16:56.28 | JoshBorke | wolud string.gsub(<my string>,"(:)?"..<toon>..":",'%1') work? |
| 16:56.28 | Kirkburn | This is not Toontown, btw, we do not play 'toons' |
| 16:56.37 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 16:56.44 | Wobin_ | I guess you could use gsub? |
| 16:57.00 | Miravlix | Thats just the strangest comment ever in a cartoon graphics game |
| 16:57.01 | JoshBorke | but would that work correctly? |
| 16:57.15 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, get a lua interpreter and try it |
| 16:58.42 | wereHamster | lua -e "print(string.gsub(...))" |
| 16:59.00 | ckknight | or just open up a lua shell... |
| 16:59.00 | Maldivia | or if you have the game running, /dump string.gsub(....blah....) |
| 16:59.28 | wereHamster | .. or ask in #wowi-lounge |
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| 17:05.09 | Legorol^ | JoshBorke: what you want is something like: newstring = string.gsub(old_full_string, "toonname:", "") |
| 17:05.18 | Legorol^ | this nukes the section "tooname:" from the string |
| 17:07.18 | Kirkburn | toon =( |
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| 17:07.55 | Kirkburn | Hey Cide |
| 17:07.58 | Cide | hi |
| 17:08.04 | Kirkburn | I have a ct question |
| 17:08.09 | JoshBorke | ( Legorol^ ): but what about old_full_string = "Atoonname:Btoonname:"? |
| 17:08.12 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Legorol^ (n=Legorol@tcmpc43.phy.cam.ac.uk) |
| 17:08.33 | Kirkburn | Why is the ctra menu set at 80% scale? |
| 17:09.52 | Kirkburn | I'm gonna have to make a little program that turns all references from 'toon' to 'avatar' |
| 17:10.36 | Wobin_ | 'character' =) |
| 17:10.46 | Wobin_ | Welcome Avatar... |
| 17:10.55 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 17:11.30 | Kirkburn | Cidey baby? |
| 17:16.08 | Cide | um |
| 17:16.16 | Cide | my guess is because it looks better |
| 17:17.00 | Cide | and actually |
| 17:17.08 | Cide | it's at 125% scale |
| 17:17.19 | Cide | 0.64 * 1.25 = 0.8 |
| 17:17.46 | Cide | it's *too small* at 100% scale :) |
| 17:17.58 | ForgottenLords | how long ago did Caydiem leave the CM community? |
| 17:18.17 | Wobin_ | not too long ago |
| 17:18.24 | Wobin_ | half a week? |
| 17:18.31 | ForgottenLords | oh... ok |
| 17:25.56 | JoshBorke | caydiem left? |
| 17:26.26 | Cairenn | not left, moved to a different department within Blizz |
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| 17:28.14 | L|Elviso | http://wow.pastebin.com/634440 |
| 17:28.17 | L|Elviso | stupid macro |
| 17:28.40 | L|Elviso | anyone see any glaring problems with that? |
| 17:29.33 | Kirkburn1 | Btw, if my msg didn't go thru earlier, Cay's last day was monday |
| 17:30.11 | Kirkburn1 | (I had to physically unplug my router to show my new japanese housemate (who I speak italian to) what to do if there's an internet problem) |
| 17:30.43 | Kirkburn1 | English Italian accents and Japanese Italian accents don't mix well |
| 17:31.20 | Kirkburn1 | What's it not doing L|Elviso? |
| 17:31.32 | L|Elviso | working? lol |
| 17:31.41 | Kirkburn1 | All of it? |
| 17:31.43 | L|Elviso | I get no response at all, either in GW or not |
| 17:31.49 | groll | darn, wardrobe has made me start to lag again when i swap eq :/ |
| 17:31.49 | L|Elviso | correct |
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| 17:46.03 | Kirkburn | What's the difference between Wardrobe and Outfitter? |
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| 17:51.42 | Syrsa | Hello everybody (^_^)/ Is it possible to output a file in a WoW addon? (Aside from saving variables to the WTF folder) |
| 17:51.52 | Cide | nope |
| 17:52.02 | Syrsa | Doh... thought so. |
| 17:52.19 | Cide | saved variables are the only way out to the free world |
| 17:52.25 | Cide | err. |
| 17:52.36 | Cide | using saved variables is the only way out to the free world |
| 17:52.54 | L|Elviso | Does chat logging not count? |
| 17:53.11 | Tem|afk | chat logging doesn't count IMO |
| 17:53.17 | Kirkburn | Only if you find a useful reason for it |
| 17:53.38 | Syrsa | So the LUA I/O library is completely disabled? |
| 17:53.41 | L|Elviso | True, it's really no different than saved vars but can't be read in |
| 17:53.48 | Kirkburn | aye |
| 17:53.54 | Kirkburn | (to L|Elviso) |
| 17:54.57 | Syrsa | Shucks... Oh well. Thanks for the info (^_^) |
| 17:55.29 | Syrsa | Is this an official Blizzard channel? Do you people work there? |
| 17:55.45 | Cairenn | no |
| 17:55.52 | [MoonWolf] | no |
| 17:55.54 | [MoonWolf] | oops |
| 17:55.57 | [MoonWolf] | Cairenn beat me. |
| 17:56.21 | Syrsa | Hehe 'kay. Thanks again (^_^) See you! |
| 17:56.40 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, there are exceptions to that :) |
| 17:56.54 | [MoonWolf] | *bogle* |
| 17:57.07 | Cairenn | nope, there aren't |
| 17:57.16 | Kirkburn | :-( |
| 17:57.32 | Cairenn | there are a few people in the channel that work at Blizz, but this *not* an official channel |
| 17:57.33 | [MoonWolf] | I dont see slouken here, do you, and he comes here on his off time. |
| 17:57.50 | [MoonWolf] | anduin hardly counts for that matter. |
| 17:57.51 | Kirkburn | That's what I was meaning! nvm |
| 17:57.58 | Kirkburn | It was me being silly |
| 17:58.03 | Cairenn | okay |
| 17:58.17 | Cairenn | I just don't want anyone to ever misconstrue |
| 17:58.18 | Cairenn | sorry |
| 17:59.11 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 17:59.24 | Shouryuu|TiePro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.33 | Kirkburn | Syrsa had left beforehand anyway :) |
| 17:59.35 | Shouryuu|TiePro | night folks folks |
| 17:59.39 | Kirkburn | Heya Tie Pro! |
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| 18:00.01 | Kirkburn | ... it's only 8pm here. |
| 18:00.08 | Kirkburn | Crazy french people |
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| 18:02.31 | Kirkburn | Lol, I never knew about this: http://www.blizzard.com/press/040401.shtml |
| 18:07.09 | Cairenn | sorry, had to afk to attend to my daughter again |
| 18:07.26 | Cairenn | luckily day 2 is proving much easier on her than day 1 did |
| 18:10.24 | Kirkburn | :) good |
| 18:11.02 | Tem|afk | what's up with your daughter Cair? |
| 18:11.12 | Cairenn | wisdom teeth removed yesterday |
| 18:11.13 | Tem|afk | get her wisdom teeth pulled or something? |
| 18:11.16 | Tem|afk | hah! |
| 18:11.18 | Wobin_ | eeee |
| 18:11.24 | Cairenn | yeah, all 4 |
| 18:11.25 | Wobin_ | All four at once? |
| 18:11.30 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 18:11.36 | Cairenn | was supposed to take an hour to an hour and a half ... took 3.5 |
| 18:11.37 | Tem|afk | I had a pretty easy time with that |
| 18:11.42 | Tem|afk | how's she doing? |
| 18:11.42 | Wobin_ | You're psychic =P |
| 18:11.56 | Wobin_ | General or Local? |
| 18:12.04 | Cairenn | she came out from under the sedative before they were finished with the fourth |
| 18:12.09 | Kirkburn | :s |
| 18:12.14 | Tem|afk | that's no good |
| 18:12.20 | Cairenn | nope, wasn't good at all |
| 18:12.32 | Kirkburn | I've yet to have anything done with mine |
| 18:12.50 | wereHamster | me too :( |
| 18:12.51 | Kirkburn | Mostly because they haven't turned up yet |
| 18:13.16 | Kirkburn | Or they have and I haven't noticed |
| 18:13.16 | Cairenn | wasn't an actual full blown anaesthesia but rather an IV sedation and local anaesthesia |
| 18:13.46 | Cairenn | it was a very long day yesterday and a very long night last night |
| 18:14.15 | Cairenn | I've been sleeping in 2 hr long snatches here and there since |
| 18:14.43 | Kirkburn | Cripes ... how long might it go on for? |
| 18:14.46 | Cairenn | an hour for the pain meds to kick in, 2 hrs sleep, an hour of being awake with her waiting to be able to take the next dose |
| 18:14.56 | Wobin_ | General word of advice? Have her rinse with salt water. A lot. |
| 18:14.57 | Cairenn | she's a lot better today though |
| 18:15.05 | Wobin_ | As often as she can remember |
| 18:15.06 | Cairenn | that starts in an hour Wobin_ |
| 18:15.20 | Wobin_ | I did that, and had no problems with infections |
| 18:15.21 | Kirkburn | Buy a big bag o' salt |
| 18:15.22 | Cairenn | not supposed to for the first 24 hrs |
| 18:15.26 | Wobin_ | nodnod |
| 18:15.45 | Cairenn | already have it all in place |
| 18:15.58 | Aalny | So it seems there's a successful workaround for not being able to hook the TurnOrAction functions. It involves temporarily stealing the binding for TURNORACTION and setting it to your own binding. |
| 18:15.58 | Kirkburn | What sort of age do wisdom teeth normally appear? |
| 18:16.00 | wereHamster | this all scares me.. I'll have to take them out, too |
| 18:16.15 | Kirkburn | (not personally, I hope, wereHamster!) |
| 18:16.17 | Cairenn | this morning has been all about trying to get her re-hydrated |
| 18:16.32 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: they are usually taken out between 18-21-ish |
| 18:16.44 | Kirkburn | Woo, and I'm 20. |
| 18:16.49 | Aalny | My question is this....do you think Blizz is going close out that hole? |
| 18:16.58 | ckknight | my wisdom teeth are coming in |
| 18:17.08 | ckknight | it's likely I won't have em out, though |
| 18:17.08 | Kirkburn | Aalny, if there's a workaround, yes |
| 18:17.12 | Cairenn | and she's currently trying to talk me into letting her go to D&D at her friend's house .... and not happy with my response |
| 18:17.48 | Cairenn | wereHamster: the large majority of people have no problems with their wisdom teeth, whether they get to keep them or whether extraction is required |
| 18:17.59 | Kirkburn | Cool that it runs in the family ... god it'd be so weird if my parents D&Dd |
| 18:18.17 | Cairenn | wereHamster: she takes after her mom though, I had major problems when they had to take mine out too |
| 18:19.01 | ckknight | one of my brother's had to take em out, the other didn't. My jaw structure is closer to the one who didn't, so I should be in the clear |
| 18:19.10 | ckknight | I do need to go to a dentist to check out the situation, though |
| 18:19.16 | Cairenn | do |
| 18:19.16 | Kirkburn | Aalny, I point you to this post http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=349938&p=#post350083 |
| 18:19.24 | Cairenn | make sure you are in the clear |
| 18:19.36 | Kirkburn | Why in hell do they even exist ... |
| 18:19.49 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.52 | L|Elviso | evolution |
| 18:19.55 | L|Elviso | lol |
| 18:20.00 | Cairenn | lol, funny you say that |
| 18:20.06 | Cairenn | the dentist was joking with her |
| 18:20.07 | L|Elviso | in 10k yrs or less we'll only have 8 toes :) |
| 18:20.24 | wereHamster | Cairenn, mine are growing ~45 degrees to the outside.. the ones on top.. and I had big problems on my trip no NZ/Fiji two years ago oh the pain, I couldn't even eat.. but nothing since.. I don't feel anything at all now.. was just that one week |
| 18:21.02 | ckknight | it's because Cavemen's teeth fell out cause of poor hygiene, etc. so the wisdom teeth are supposed to replace your fallen out teeth |
| 18:21.27 | Cairenn | he said that the further along the evolution chain you are, the smaller your mouth/jaw, the more likely to have problems with your wisdom teeth ... he told her she should have been a Neanderthal |
| 18:21.34 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 18:21.35 | Kirkburn | nice |
| 18:22.06 | Kirkburn | ckknight, that makes sense. They'd actually have space. L|Elviso - little toes disappearing? |
| 18:22.26 | Kirkburn | I suppose we should eat MORE sugar and brush less :P |
| 18:22.27 | ckknight | I wouldn't say "further along", evolution isn't necessarily linear |
| 18:22.49 | ckknight | Kirkburn, we should eat more tough meat |
| 18:23.01 | Ktron | raw meat even |
| 18:23.01 | L|Elviso | Kirkburn: hehe yes....they're getting smaller with each generation pretty much |
| 18:23.05 | Kirkburn | Yes, well, we could go into whether Neanderthals were an ancestor to us, but lets not, okay :) |
| 18:23.05 | Ktron | and dirt on it |
| 18:23.06 | Cairenn | you know what he meant, he was trying to make her feel more relaxed, teasing her and stuff |
| 18:23.12 | Ktron | put that appendix to use!M |
| 18:23.26 | Kirkburn | Note to self: east more grass |
| 18:23.28 | Kirkburn | *eat |
| 18:23.43 | ckknight | L|elviso, that's Lamarckian evolution you're talking about, which was disproven |
| 18:24.23 | L|Elviso | guess I missed the memo |
| 18:24.27 | Kirkburn | Lets stick to Bob's evolution. One which no-one has to discuss, they can just think about it to themselves :) |
| 18:25.17 | ckknight | Lamarck basically said that giraffes have long necks cause they used em so much. The Russians believed this in the cold war, so they started to freeze corn seeds to make them more resistant to cold weather |
| 18:25.21 | ckknight | needless to say, America won |
| 18:25.57 | Kirkburn | What, the seed wars? |
| 18:25.59 | Ktron | but darwin's random evolution seems to slow too |
| 18:26.06 | Ktron | so... its got to be somewhere in the middle |
| 18:26.12 | Kirkburn | Evolution *is* slow |
| 18:26.17 | ckknight | yea |
| 18:26.38 | ckknight | Lamarck's doesn't make sense from a geneticist's standpoint |
| 18:26.50 | ckknight | how would a child get "new" DNA from the parents' life experiences? |
| 18:26.57 | L|Elviso | chance mutation |
| 18:27.02 | Kirkburn | It's interesting that there were so many creatures we're missing now which were alive only a few thousand years ago |
| 18:27.22 | Kirkburn | Sabre-toothed tigers we're around until about 10,000 yrs ago, iirc |
| 18:27.50 | ckknight | they're technically Sabre-toothed cats. They have no real relation to tigers |
| 18:27.59 | ckknight | I read something in National Geographic about that |
| 18:28.40 | Kirkburn | True |
| 18:28.46 | Wobin_ | but what does that have to do with evolution? |
| 18:28.46 | Ktron | ckknight, psh |
| 18:28.47 | Kirkburn | They just look similar |
| 18:29.03 | Wobin_ | Apart from 'survival of the fittest' |
| 18:29.20 | Kirkburn | Am I not allowed tangents any more? :( |
| 18:29.22 | L|Elviso | all I want to know is |
| 18:29.25 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 18:29.31 | Wobin_ | Back on track Kirk! |
| 18:29.35 | Wobin_ | *whiplash* |
| 18:29.37 | L|Elviso | why my stupid macro doesn't work |
| 18:29.37 | L|Elviso | http://wow.pastebin.com/634440 |
| 18:29.38 | L|Elviso | ! |
| 18:29.42 | ckknight | evolution no longer exists for Humans, cause we let everyone live |
| 18:29.54 | L|Elviso | we do? lol |
| 18:30.03 | ckknight | Hospitals do |
| 18:30.07 | Wobin_ | If it truly was survival of the fittest, there wouldn't be as many stupid people |
| 18:30.13 | L|Elviso | Governments don't |
| 18:30.18 | Kirkburn | "Are we evolving?" |
| 18:30.29 | Wobin_ | The survey sayyyysss...? |
| 18:30.34 | ckknight | Kirkburn, culturally, yes, genetically, no |
| 18:30.49 | Kirkburn | Apparently they say yes |
| 18:30.54 | L|Elviso | I don't think that's possible.. |
| 18:30.54 | Wobin_ | Genetically through cultural exposure, yes |
| 18:30.55 | Kirkburn | But it includes genetic screening |
| 18:31.20 | Kirkburn | If you can screen for down's syndrome, you effectively evolve it out |
| 18:31.34 | ckknight | many parents do that nowadays |
| 18:31.37 | Kirkburn | Survivial of the fittest need not apply |
| 18:31.56 | ckknight | thus, you could say we are evolving through Eugenics |
| 18:32.06 | Kirkburn | yup |
| 18:32.07 | ckknight | but it's voluntary Eugenics |
| 18:32.15 | L|Elviso | Except that every ailment is far from being understood |
| 18:32.25 | ckknight | and some have a purpose |
| 18:32.32 | ckknight | Sickle Cell vs. Malaria and all that |
| 18:33.10 | Kirkburn | "1000 years from now, people will be much more beautiful, intelligent, symmetrical, healthy and emotionally stable, thanks to 40 generations of genetic screening" |
| 18:33.28 | Wobin_ | Well |
| 18:33.36 | ckknight | I think we have a better change with Genetic Tailoring |
| 18:33.40 | Wobin_ | That depends on your definition of beautiful and intelligent |
| 18:33.41 | ckknight | chance* |
| 18:33.48 | Wobin_ | And whether that changes over 1000 years |
| 18:34.00 | Wobin_ | Which it undoubtedly will |
| 18:34.02 | ckknight | 500 years ago, fat women were beautiful |
| 18:34.08 | ckknight | cause they didn't have indoor heating |
| 18:34.13 | Wobin_ | For gods sakes, look at the 80s =P |
| 18:34.23 | ckknight | nowadays, women 25% underweight are beautiful |
| 18:34.27 | ckknight | according to the media |
| 18:34.34 | Kirkburn | Well, I think that's starting to change |
| 18:34.37 | Kirkburn | fortunately |
| 18:34.43 | Wobin_ | And it will change again |
| 18:34.46 | Kirkburn | But it's still far too prevalent |
| 18:34.49 | Wobin_ | within 10 years or so |
| 18:35.12 | ckknight | which part is going to change? |
| 18:35.23 | Wobin_ | Who knows, maybe in another two decades, fat bottomed girls will once again, make the rockin world go round. |
| 18:35.26 | Kirkburn | That underweight=beautiful |
| 18:35.36 | Kirkburn | J-Lo, anyone? |
| 18:35.39 | ckknight | Kirkburn, it's very entrenched in modern society |
| 18:35.49 | Kirkburn | Not in me, it ain't |
| 18:35.54 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 18:35.56 | ckknight | especially in the gentrified white society |
| 18:36.14 | ckknight | sadly |
| 18:36.58 | ckknight | granted, I was raised to despise fat people, so I'm just biased |
| 18:38.00 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 18:38.15 | Kirkburn | Neowin's new skin won't work for me :( |
| 18:38.57 | Kirkburn | Their April Fool's was to release the new skin they've been working on for a year |
| 18:39.09 | Ktron | Kirkburn, ?? |
| 18:39.19 | Wobin_ | ... Surprise? |
| 18:39.20 | Kirkburn | Neowin.net |
| 18:39.36 | Kirkburn | And, no, I'm not being stoopid |
| 18:40.42 | Kirkburn | Anyone know how to do a forced page reload in FF? |
| 18:41.32 | kremonte | f5? |
| 18:41.40 | kremonte | to reload all items shift f5 or shift refresh |
| 18:42.07 | Kirkburn | ta |
| 18:43.04 | Kirkburn | hmm, still nothing |
| 18:43.33 | Ktron | Kirkburn, ?? |
| 18:43.34 | Ktron | Kirkburn, ?? |
| 18:43.40 | Kirkburn | Stop it, you |
| 18:43.59 | Cide | ctrl + f5 |
| 18:44.21 | Kirkburn | See, I try that (same as IE), but still nothing |
| 18:44.29 | ckknight | ctrl-r |
| 18:44.39 | Cide | ctrl + f5 is forced reload in FF, ctrl+r is forced reload in IE, as far as I know |
| 18:44.52 | Cide | though ctrl+r seems to work in FF too (not sure if it's forced or not) |
| 18:44.53 | kremonte | ctrl r works as well |
| 18:45.27 | Cide | ctrl + f5 reloads *everything*, I'm sure of that at least :) |
| 18:45.49 | kremonte | shift works for me too o_O |
| 18:45.59 | Cide | doesn't for me for some reason |
| 18:46.00 | Kirkburn | :) Looks I'll be trying later. Maybe it only works for registered users atm |
| 18:46.07 | kremonte | ?? |
| 18:46.11 | kremonte | registered users? |
| 18:46.15 | Kirkburn | Of neowin |
| 18:46.22 | kremonte | oh. |
| 18:46.38 | Kirkburn | Well, okay ... open neowin.net, go to the bottom and select the 'shift' skin, and see if anything happens |
| 18:47.36 | kremonte | Your Major Healing Potion critically heals you for 3140 |
| 18:47.44 | kremonte | Wastewander Assassin hits you for 42 |
| 18:47.46 | kremonte | You die |
| 18:47.48 | kremonte | dfgh,mjklfgjsdtlghkjdfnlhkjsn |
| 18:47.55 | Ktron | lol |
| 18:48.09 | Ktron | you got pwned |
| 18:48.17 | kremonte | used the pot, put it on cooldown |
| 18:48.20 | kremonte | showed it on sct |
| 18:48.22 | kremonte | and my healthbar <_< |
| 18:48.44 | Ktron | what was your health roughly pre the poition |
| 18:49.10 | kremonte | 100 or so |
| 18:49.16 | kremonte | .... |
| 18:49.18 | kremonte | i can't res now |
| 18:49.22 | kremonte | and i'm 55 xp to next |
| 18:49.37 | Kirkburn | :s |
| 18:49.44 | Ktron | you lose |
| 18:49.49 | kremonte | f u |
| 18:50.04 | kremonte | XP/hr this session: 20190 |
| 18:50.07 | kremonte | Time to level: 9 seconds |
| 18:50.17 | Kirkburn | I think he thinks you're a Fantastic User, Ktron |
| 18:50.58 | kremonte | all of my gear is broke nnow |
| 18:51.02 | kremonte | this is ridiculous |
| 18:51.15 | kremonte | i'm being camped by a group of priests and warlocks and they keep fucking fearing me into mobs |
| 18:51.16 | Ktron | oh, btw, sorry for the repeated message, Kirkburn, I got phonified |
| 18:51.27 | kremonte | lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /lol |
| 18:51.28 | Ktron | and I was curious what neowin skin you were talking about |
| 18:51.34 | Kirkburn | phonification! |
| 18:51.37 | kremonte | lol /lol lol /lol /lol /lol /lol /spit /spit /spit /spit /rofl /rofl /rofl |
| 18:51.52 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 18:51.57 | Kirkburn | PvP servers ftw |
| 18:52.10 | Ktron | I believe that's abuse kremonte, I think you can report them for that |
| 18:52.15 | Kirkburn | <-- carebear |
| 18:52.25 | kremonte | nope, ktron |
| 18:52.43 | Ktron | I thought training and abuse of mind control and fear was reportable |
| 18:52.44 | kremonte | fucking finally |
| 18:52.50 | kremonte | training yes |
| 18:52.54 | kremonte | abuse of mc and fear no |
| 18:53.11 | Kirkburn | (language, no need) |
| 18:53.12 | kremonte | ding ffs <_< |
| 18:53.24 | Ktron | what level? |
| 18:53.28 | kremonte | 47 |
| 18:53.38 | kremonte | i had to level off a 31 |
| 18:53.39 | kremonte | 41* |
| 18:53.44 | kremonte | all my gear was broke |
| 18:54.40 | Kirkburn | You can level off a 31 at 41? |
| 18:54.45 | kremonte | <kremonte> 41* |
| 18:54.52 | Kirkburn | Oh I see now |
| 18:55.01 | kremonte | 4g in repairs |
| 18:55.02 | kremonte | -_-" |
| 18:55.10 | kremonte | almost as much as repairs on my warlock |
| 18:55.17 | Kirkburn | Wow, not even my 60 lock reaches that |
| 18:55.23 | Miravlix | Have you considered dying less? |
| 18:55.37 | Kirkburn | Have you ever considered Life Insurance? |
| 18:55.38 | kremonte | Miravlix: should i ignore you or spam larts? |
| 18:55.43 | Miravlix | And not use Spirit Healers to rez. :p |
| 18:55.45 | kremonte | i have 12g repairs on kremonte very often, kirk |
| 18:55.47 | kremonte | i never spirit res |
| 18:55.57 | Miravlix | Wow |
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| 18:56.03 | Miravlix | thats insane at 4x |
| 18:56.08 | kremonte | Kirkburn: that's what full nemesis and epic everything does to you ._. |
| 18:56.11 | Kirkburn | Different chars |
| 18:56.12 | Miravlix | I barely ever die outside PvP |
| 18:56.21 | kremonte | learning aq40 |
| 18:56.23 | kremonte | also |
| 18:56.28 | kremonte | The Curse of Warsong |
| 18:56.33 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I need my epixx |
| 18:56.38 | kremonte | Latency +500, Reponse time +500 |
| 18:56.43 | kremonte | click immolate... |
| 18:56.46 | kremonte | casting... |
| 18:56.47 | kremonte | casting.... |
| 18:56.53 | Kirkburn | Er, aren't those the same thing? |
| 18:56.53 | kremonte | not sure if it's casting anymore... |
| 18:57.04 | kremonte | well i can have high latency and good response time |
| 18:57.12 | kremonte | like LONG periods of reposnse |
| 18:57.13 | Kirkburn | I know the problem though |
| 18:57.18 | kremonte | 500ms ping, and 20 second delay |
| 18:57.53 | Kirkburn | Sometimes you can fire off a spell before you even see the cast bar |
| 18:58.03 | kremonte | i wish >< |
| 18:58.13 | kremonte | i'll be waiting 20 seconds for the cast to start |
| 18:58.17 | kremonte | only to get "Interrupted" |
| 18:58.35 | Kirkburn | Kinda what I mean, you can't tell what went thru and what didn't |
| 18:58.48 | kremonte | well |
| 18:58.50 | kremonte | i'm level 47 now |
| 18:58.52 | kremonte | that's all i care |
| 18:58.55 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 18:58.58 | kremonte | one more level and i'm green to 60s |
| 19:00.06 | Kirkburn | And they'll still camp you |
| 19:00.19 | kremonte | its just |
| 19:00.21 | kremonte | people are like |
| 19:00.26 | Kirkburn | But they'll get satisfaction out of it now :P |
| 19:00.28 | kremonte | wtf krem cry more just camp your main there u fagit |
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| 19:00.34 | kremonte | and i'm like |
| 19:00.39 | Crispix | http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/worldofstarcraft/news.html?sid=6146918&mode=recent :O.. world of starcraft... *laughing* |
| 19:00.43 | kremonte | KREMONTE IS IN EASTERN PLAGUELANDS. KATREA IS IN SILITHUS |
| 19:01.05 | Kirkburn | And I'm like, what? |
| 19:01.16 | Kirkburn | Ah, no I gets you |
| 19:04.07 | Wobin_ | Crispix: Hehe |
| 19:04.15 | Wobin_ | Crispix: I so so wish =) |
| 19:04.29 | ckknight | World of Starcraft sounds cool |
| 19:04.30 | Wobin_ | I'd be Zerging alllll the way |
| 19:04.33 | ckknight | I want it |
| 19:04.47 | ckknight | Zerg'd be pimp |
| 19:04.52 | ckknight | but they follow a hive mind |
| 19:04.58 | ckknight | MMOGs require individualism |
| 19:05.29 | ckknight | although Terran and Protoss allow that, Zerg don't, really |
| 19:05.55 | Wobin_ | What's more, the World of Starcraft application will be available as a free download--no having to scour your local shopping mall for a $50 box. Monthly fees will apply, but Blizzard is hoping to offer players some sort of free trial. |
| 19:06.03 | Wobin_ | Hah. That's where the article falls over =P |
| 19:06.40 | ckknight | personally, I think it'd a good idea to give away the game but charge a monthly fee |
| 19:06.55 | ckknight | it'd be more like renting |
| 19:07.16 | Wobin_ | Like Eve |
| 19:07.50 | Wobin_ | They didn't do a bad job with the Zerg idea though |
| 19:08.08 | Wobin_ | Changing the focus from the individual 'body' to the karmic result |
| 19:08.10 | ckknight | agreed |
| 19:08.38 | Wobin_ | Casual Zerger Speaks Out in Protest =) |
| 19:09.02 | ckknight | rebirth makes sense for Zerg and Toss, but what would Terran do? Cloning? |
| 19:09.43 | Wobin_ | Really good medical facilities |
| 19:09.56 | ckknight | hrm |
| 19:10.07 | ckknight | I think the UT-style cloning idea is the most realistic |
| 19:10.20 | ckknight | You haven't truly lived until you've participated in a 250-player Zerg rush. |
| 19:11.29 | ckknight | what could be cool if Blizzard released a Savage-style game, where you had one commander (RTS style), and the other players be the units |
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| 19:16.47 | Wobin_ | hehe The zergs are named Charles and Murray =) |
| 19:19.31 | ckknight | lol |
| 19:36.34 | Wobin_ | Hey ckknight: Do you have a personal SVN for BossPanel? |
| 19:50.55 | Tain | Have to turn clocks forward tonight, can't forget. Well, those of us in the US. |
| 19:51.14 | kremonte | don't remind me |
| 19:51.15 | kremonte | x.x |
| 19:51.38 | kremonte | it's pouring out |
| 19:51.38 | Maldivia | Tain: yeah, those of us in the EU did it last weekend :) |
| 19:51.41 | kremonte | time to go on the trampoline |
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| 20:02.18 | Kirkburn | Lo, you know what I just noticed ... no wonder FonTabulous isn't updated. The dev uses ClearFont. |
| 20:02.32 | ckknight | lol |
| 20:02.51 | ckknight | Wobin_, yes, but it has anonymous access |
| 20:03.00 | Kirkburn | Sample screenshot for one of his other addons http://ui.worldofwar.net/images/ui/1143695033Priest-11000.jpg |
| 20:03.02 | ckknight | you can update through it, but only I can commit |
| 20:03.34 | Tain | Time to go back to school. "UNLV's Women Studies Has class in Sex toys 101 & Queer Theory" |
| 20:06.50 | cladhaire | Tain: My university had a "Studies of filmograph in pornography" |
| 20:06.56 | cladhaire | where you sit around and watch porn. |
| 20:06.56 | Wobin_ | ckknight: woot =) What's the address? |
| 20:12.12 | Tain | Ah, fark headlines. "Role-playing game industry fails its saving throw against girls and beer" |
| 20:13.39 | ckknight | svn://ckknight.hopto.org/BossPanel/ |
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| 20:15.40 | ckknight | BossPanel and the plugins I wrote for it are all in there |
| 20:15.54 | ckknight | it'll be more up-to-date than WoWI |
| 20:16.09 | ckknight | I'm only publishing once a day or so |
| 20:17.14 | Ktron | svn? |
| 20:17.31 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:17.34 | Ktron | looks like I found somethign to read up on |
| 20:18.16 | ckknight | subversion is handy |
| 20:18.42 | Kirkburn | Anyone know of a way I can search a bunch of lua files for text? |
| 20:18.46 | cladhaire | grep |
| 20:18.47 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.54 | cladhaire | of windows search to be fair |
| 20:18.55 | ckknight | yea, grep |
| 20:19.05 | Kirkburn | Windows only does xml :s |
| 20:19.19 | cladhaire | Not true. |
| 20:19.29 | cladhaire | WIndows will search any file.. go to the directory, and Control-F |
| 20:19.48 | Ktron | yep |
| 20:19.50 | Kirkburn | True |
| 20:19.54 | Ktron | I personally recommend notepad++ though |
| 20:19.58 | cladhaire | All Files and Folders, A Word or Phrase in the file. |
| 20:20.02 | Kirkburn | Evidently I've always looked for the wrong things |
| 20:20.12 | Kirkburn | zug zug |
| 20:20.12 | Ktron | I use it for editting, and you can eaisly search 'all open documents', and you can open any number of documents |
| 20:20.22 | cladhaire | grep > all =) |
| 20:20.40 | Ktron | grep's ok |
| 20:20.55 | Kirkburn | I'm trying to find what controls the size of the in-world fonts |
| 20:20.59 | Wobin_ | EditPlus allows you to search within a directory/subdirectories |
| 20:20.59 | Ktron | though, to be fair, you can't just 'grep word directory' |
| 20:21.15 | ckknight | Wobin_, the best thing about my svn server is that I have a hook script that update the changelog, version, and release date of the addon I just edited |
| 20:21.51 | Wobin_ | =( I can't seem to connect to it using TortoiseSVN |
| 20:22.09 | Wobin_ | Or more likely, I can't actually connect to your server from here |
| 20:22.13 | ckknight | lemme check if it's up |
| 20:22.41 | ckknight | I just co'd with svn co svn://ckknight.hopto.org/BossPanel |
| 20:23.02 | Wobin_ | Yeah, it's probably my connection then |
| 20:23.09 | Wobin_ | TGFWoC |
| 20:23.22 | ckknight | Wobin_, http://ckknight.hopto.org:8080/websvn/ |
| 20:24.43 | Wobin_ | yeah, it's the firewall |
| 20:25.16 | ckknight | hrm |
| 20:25.50 | groll | Cairenn|afk tell that webmaster of yours to check the suggestion forum :p |
| 20:26.27 | Wobin_ | Not much you can do about that, ckknight =) Unfortuately. I'll just have to wait til you publish each time =) |
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| 20:27.52 | kremonte | wierd |
| 20:27.55 | kremonte | howd i get out of the channel o_O |
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| 20:38.41 | Tain | For a second I forgot it was April Fools and my brain wept. " Uwe Boll Secures Rights to StarCraft Movie Trilogy." |
| 20:39.10 | Osagasu | Uwe Boll has said he isn't making anymore game movies |
| 20:39.40 | Wobin_ | Thank god |
| 20:40.31 | Tain | He didn't state it as fact, it was a comment in one interview. But we can hope after he finishes ruining the last few he has still underway. |
| 20:41.18 | Osagasu | I wonder how long it'll be until someone takes and makes the graphics from the April Fools WoS thing into a Interface mod for WoW |
| 20:41.37 | Osagasu | I hope it happens. looks pretty cool |
| 20:41.41 | Tem | link? |
| 20:41.59 | Osagasu | its on /. somewhere |
| 20:42.05 | Osagasu | lemme try to find it... |
| 20:42.09 | Osagasu | damn pink page |
| 20:42.26 | Tem | rofl /. is awesome today |
| 20:42.37 | Tem | FORGET DRAGONS! TIME FOR PONIES!!!1! |
| 20:43.03 | ckknight | China Buys Google, lol |
| 20:43.20 | Tem | haha |
| 20:43.29 | Tem | anyway, do you have a link to it Osagasu? |
| 20:43.38 | Tem | I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking for |
| 20:44.24 | Tain | " Jessica Simpson & Nick Lachey Divorce Settlement Cites Lachey's World of Warcraft Addiction." http://videogames.aol.com/canvases/articles?id=20060331101509990001 |
| 20:44.55 | Osagasu | http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/worldofstarcraft/news.html?sid=6146918 |
| 20:45.05 | Tem | Tain: is that a serious article or another 4/1 joke? |
| 20:45.12 | Tain | Just more jokes. |
| 20:45.26 | Tain | Yeah World of Starcraft was one of those I'd love to actually see. |
| 20:45.38 | ckknight | same, Tain |
| 20:45.53 | ckknight | you know that 4 years down the road, because this was an april fool's joke, it's gonna happen |
| 20:45.59 | ckknight | just like the cow level |
| 20:46.02 | ckknight | just like pandaren |
| 20:46.49 | ckknight | Tain, Please Upgrade Your Web Browser. Your Web browser does not meet the necessary requirements to access this content. |
| 20:46.54 | Tem | wow yeah, that art looks pretty cool |
| 20:46.55 | Osagasu | the cow level wasn't a blizzard april fools joke, and Pandaren are still largely a joke |
| 20:46.56 | ckknight | I'm using Opera... |
| 20:47.08 | Tain | Really? I had FF up for that one. |
| 20:47.21 | Tain | I fired off emails today to two different sites that wouldn't let me in with FF or Opera. |
| 20:47.47 | ckknight | i can't even spoof it |
| 20:47.49 | Tain | Not that I expect to make any difference. But at least I did something other than curse outloud. |
| 20:48.05 | ckknight | oh, I can continue without upgrading... |
| 20:48.10 | ckknight | they're still dicks |
| 20:48.28 | Tain | Agreed. |
| 20:48.36 | ckknight | wow, the formatting looks _really_ shitty |
| 20:49.48 | Tain | Yeah it was that way with FF as well. I ended up not even actually reading much of the "article" |
| 20:55.48 | kremonte | ughhh |
| 20:55.54 | kremonte | i'm going to end up buying gold at this point |
| 20:56.25 | kremonte | i need 39 arcanite, 35 enchanted thorium, 80 thorium, 30 essence of earth, 50 blue sapphire, 2 flask of the titans, 40 wicked claw, 4 azerothian diamond, 4 large opal |
| 20:57.33 | Tem | what on earth for |
| 20:57.46 | Wobin_ | A big shiny rock |
| 20:57.50 | kremonte | 3 pieces of plate epix |
| 20:58.02 | Wobin_ | 3 big shiny rocks |
| 20:58.26 | kremonte | stronghold gauntlets/titanic leggings/lionheart helm |
| 20:59.04 | kremonte | this blacksmith in my guild bought titanic leggings pattern |
| 20:59.09 | kremonte | 5 of them. |
| 20:59.19 | kremonte | him and a guy in Corp Hur are the only alliance on server with it |
| 20:59.24 | kremonte | he's made 4000G in the last 2 days |
| 20:59.29 | kremonte | i want to cry |
| 21:01.08 | Wobin_ | night all |
| 21:01.12 | kremonte | nn |
| 21:06.23 | Kirkburn | night Wobin_ |
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| 21:16.58 | Kirkburn | So yeah, I forgot my girlfriend was moving house today |
| 21:17.14 | Kirkburn | Not that I can help much from Italy :s |
| 21:18.04 | Ktron | she there for... work, or school? |
| 21:25.23 | Kirkburn | Ktron, I'm in italy for a year of italian uni, whilst she's back in the UK at Bristol Uni (also my uni, we met there) |
| 21:26.16 | Ktron | cool cool |
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| 21:30.21 | Ktron | ? |
| 21:30.25 | Ktron | not sure what that was about |
| 21:31.52 | Kirkburn | Heh |
| 21:32.01 | Kirkburn | Btw, does anyone have a copy of Vista? |
| 21:32.18 | Kirkburn | I want to know if there's a new version of the calibri font |
| 21:32.43 | Ktron | I do not have a copy of Vista |
| 21:34.25 | Kirkburn | Useless :) |
| 21:40.32 | Kirkburn | it just doesn't feel right using a beta version :) |
| 21:41.31 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Adrin1 (n=Chris@ip68-2-219-112.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 21:41.37 | Adrin1 | Afternoon, folks |
| 21:41.40 | Adrin1 | Question for you all |
| 21:41.57 | Adrin1 | Did WoW call MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE once for every item in the mailbox pre-1.10? |
| 21:42.21 | Adrin1 | Because it's doing it now, and is causing O(n!*n) runtimes for the mailbox update in Sanity. Which is. Uh. Not good. |
| 21:42.35 | Adrin1 | I'm wondering if there's a way to tell when it's done updating |
| 21:44.18 | Kirkburn | That doesn't sound good |
| 21:45.00 | Kirkburn | You know I won't be able to help so I'll start poking people. /poke |
| 21:47.23 | Adrin1 | All I really need is to be able to know when it's done |
| 21:48.03 | Adrin1 | Right now, I've limited it so that it only runs once, which fixed the freeze, but only populates the first item |
| 21:48.14 | ckknight | I want to rename BossPanel because it is utterly confusing if you want to talk about bosses. Does anyone have a good idea what to call it? |
| 21:49.10 | Maldivia | n!*n... hmm, sounds very very wrong |
| 21:52.22 | Adrin1 | Upon further inspection, I think it's only n!, but that's still, less than optimized, by a long shot |
| 21:53.04 | Kirkburn | Omg, rename BossPanel? That sounds a bit of a crazy idea |
| 21:53.13 | Kirkburn | Ckknight Panel? |
| 21:53.29 | ckknight | it doesn't have to have my name in it |
| 21:53.42 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 21:53.54 | Kirkburn | Tough question |
| 21:54.01 | ckknight | yea |
| 21:54.20 | Adrin1 | ...and now, I only see mail in the mailbox when I first log in |
| 21:54.26 | Adrin1 | If I close the mailbox and re-open it, no mail. |
| 21:54.30 | Adrin1 | Well, this is peachy. |
| 21:54.33 | Kirkburn | It could cause a lot of confusion, but if you did it with a large enough lead time it might be okay |
| 21:55.03 | ckknight | Kirkburn, I know it'd cause confusion and be a PR nightmare, but if I want to change it, sooner is better than later |
| 21:55.18 | Kirkburn | Very true |
| 21:55.26 | Kirkburn | BossPanel doesn't entirely roll off the toungue |
| 21:55.28 | Kirkburn | So |
| 21:55.33 | Kirkburn | hmm |
| 21:55.40 | Kirkburn | What are you aims with BossPanel? |
| 21:55.54 | Kirkburn | It should reflect what you ideally want it to be |
| 21:56.13 | ckknight | "A panel that modules can plug into." |
| 21:56.16 | Adrin1 | Hm. MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE got called 15 times on opening a mailbox with 50 items in it. |
| 21:56.19 | Adrin1 | That's rather odd. |
| 21:56.25 | Adrin1 | Sorry, 16 times |
| 21:56.29 | Kirkburn | (I make a ClearFont website, I didn't even tell it to use the ClearFont font. How dumb am I?) |
| 21:56.48 | Kirkburn | Very odd |
| 21:56.50 | ckknight | lol |
| 21:57.08 | ckknight | ClearFont is a great name |
| 21:57.13 | ckknight | in my opinion |
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| 21:57.25 | Adrin1 | I guess I could run a light function on that event that stores MB data, and then just run the parser func after a delay with no events. |
| 21:57.26 | Kirkburn | ModPanel, PluginPanel, ModBar |
| 21:57.29 | Adrin1 | That's seriously ugly though. |
| 21:57.36 | Kirkburn | thanks ckknight |
| 21:58.16 | Kirkburn | Hmm, other words for what it is ... Panel, Bar, ??? |
| 21:58.23 | Kirkburn | Strip? |
| 21:58.27 | ckknight | I want to stick to Panel |
| 21:58.31 | Kirkburn | Okay |
| 21:58.35 | Ktron | how about 'AcePanel' |
| 21:58.42 | Ktron | since it requires Ace, and its a panel |
| 21:58.43 | ckknight | meh |
| 21:58.52 | ckknight | don't really want to do AcePanel |
| 21:58.57 | Kirkburn | Makes it sounds like it's a part of the Ace project |
| 21:59.04 | ckknight | which it isn't |
| 21:59.18 | Ktron | FrontPanel or BackPanel wouldn't be bad... heh |
| 21:59.23 | ckknight | Ace is handy, I use it as a utility |
| 21:59.29 | Ktron | if you wanted, you could play off of Titan |
| 21:59.32 | Kirkburn | You could use 'Pane' |
| 21:59.50 | ckknight | it's likely to be <Name>Panel |
| 21:59.58 | ckknight | like BravoPanel or OmegaPanel |
| 22:00.03 | Ktron | WoWPanel isn't bad |
| 22:00.18 | cladhaire | don't do Bravo panel. |
| 22:00.22 | ckknight | I'm kinda meh to that one |
| 22:00.23 | cladhaire | makes me think of the Bravo station on TV =) |
| 22:00.31 | Kirkburn | A greek letter is a cool idea |
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| 22:00.36 | ckknight | makes me think of the military alphabet for "B" |
| 22:00.49 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 22:00.51 | Aalny | Is there a better event than UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED to register for if I want to know when a player's primary weapon changes? |
| 22:00.58 | ckknight | Omega is a possiblity |
| 22:00.59 | Ktron | ckknight, are you aiming to keep 'bosspanel' lighter than titan panel and infobar? |
| 22:01.11 | ckknight | yea, I want it to be modular |
| 22:01.19 | Adrin1 | Pop quiz, any built in profiling methods? |
| 22:01.22 | Ktron | 'PicoPanel' suggests smaller |
| 22:01.29 | ckknight | Adrin1, yes, a small one |
| 22:01.32 | Kirkburn | (the word panel is looking weirder and weirder to me, like when you say a word 100 times and it loses all meaning) |
| 22:01.41 | Adrin1 | All I need is to be able to get runtimes for chunks of code |
| 22:01.53 | ckknight | if you put profileCode = true in the plugin, it shoots off info at you |
| 22:02.01 | Adrin1 | Reeeeally now |
| 22:02.02 | Ktron | Starpanel sounds okay to me too |
| 22:02.03 | Adrin1 | Just anywhere? |
| 22:02.09 | Adrin1 | non-local var, I assume? |
| 22:02.11 | ckknight | probably at the top |
| 22:02.13 | Ktron | I like *panel being consistently that kind of addon |
| 22:02.19 | ckknight | it'd be like self.profileCode = true |
| 22:02.21 | cladhaire | Adrin: Not in general, just for Bosspanels. |
| 22:02.36 | Kirkburn | PanelPanel |
| 22:02.39 | Adrin1 | Oh. Nevermind. :( |
| 22:02.42 | ckknight | e.g. alpha = BossPanelPlugin:new({ profileCode = true }) |
| 22:02.50 | Ktron | 'Mobpanel' would sound familiar to Bosspanel |
| 22:02.58 | Adrin1 | Non-bosspanel. Just in general |
| 22:03.05 | Adrin1 | Need to profile some code and am feeling lazy. |
| 22:03.05 | cladhaire | Adrin: We don't have the debug library for LUA, but we can simulate it manually |
| 22:03.12 | cladhaire | So in short, no =) |
| 22:03.21 | cladhaire | If laziness is the concern =) |
| 22:03.22 | Adrin1 | Heheh. Fair enough then. A'simulatin' I will do. |
| 22:03.23 | ckknight | yea, use profileCode, it fires off whenever a method is fired |
| 22:03.30 | ckknight | tells you how long it takes, how much memory was used up |
| 22:03.54 | Kirkburn | I think a one syllable word works best for <word>Panel |
| 22:04.11 | ckknight | Titan? |
| 22:04.13 | Ktron | sharppanel heh |
| 22:04.22 | ckknight | Ktron, reminds me of C# |
| 22:04.24 | cladhaire | brb |
| 22:04.37 | Ktron | heh, panel++? |
| 22:04.43 | ckknight | C++ can blow me |
| 22:04.45 | ckknight | hard. |
| 22:04.57 | Kirkburn | ZetaPanel |
| 22:04.58 | Ktron | visualpanel? |
| 22:05.51 | Kirkburn | NuPanel |
| 22:05.51 | Kirkburn | PiPanel |
| 22:05.52 | Adrin1 | XPanel |
| 22:05.52 | Ktron | no, Upanel |
| 22:05.52 | Adrin1 | Sounds like an X app then, I guess. |
| 22:05.52 | Ktron | as in 'U' do the work to use my panel |
| 22:06.05 | Ktron | XPanel also has XP in it |
| 22:06.11 | ckknight | *shudder* |
| 22:06.51 | Kirkburn | APanel |
| 22:06.53 | ckknight | I think 2 syllables is best |
| 22:07.01 | Ktron | UPanel is my newest vote, besides PicoPanel |
| 22:07.04 | ckknight | cause people are gonna call it the name without the panel part attached |
| 22:07.05 | Ktron | Eraphine|Disco, Pico Panel |
| 22:07.17 | ckknight | people say Titan, not Titan Panel |
| 22:07.21 | Ktron | s/Eraphine|Disco/er/ |
| 22:07.41 | Ktron | ckknight, not if the name is really short |
| 22:07.48 | Ktron | or obviously all together |
| 22:07.57 | Ktron | 'infobar' doesn't abbreviate |
| 22:07.58 | Kirkburn | One syllable makes the whole name easy to say |
| 22:08.02 | ckknight | DrPanel |
| 22:08.17 | Kirkburn | Hello, I use Doctor |
| 22:08.36 | Kirkburn | so no |
| 22:08.40 | Ktron | Conpanel |
| 22:08.56 | Ktron | or Companel |
| 22:08.56 | ckknight | that doesn't make sense |
| 22:09.05 | ckknight | nor that |
| 22:09.08 | Kirkburn | FactPanel |
| 22:09.15 | Kirkburn | Datapanel |
| 22:09.24 | Kirkburn | StatPanel |
| 22:09.29 | Ktron | ckpanel (CKP) is my last suggestion |
| 22:09.43 | Ktron | and its time for me to do more stuff |
| 22:09.47 | ckknight | could always go with KnightPanel, but that seems a little self-righteous |
| 22:10.00 | Maldivia | then drop the k :) |
| 22:10.09 | Kirkburn | NightPanel |
| 22:10.18 | Kirkburn | I like it |
| 22:10.43 | Kirkburn | Actually, I like that best now |
| 22:10.49 | ckknight | Night? |
| 22:10.58 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 22:10.59 | ckknight | you disgrace my name |
| 22:11.02 | ckknight | ~kick Kirkburn |
| 22:11.03 | purl | bugger off sod! |
| 22:11.17 | Kirkburn | I didn't suggest it. But I do like it |
| 22:11.37 | ckknight | is NightPanel or KnightPanel cooler? |
| 22:11.48 | Ktron | how about Verkleidung (panel in german) |
| 22:11.54 | Ktron | hh |
| 22:11.56 | Ktron | *heh |
| 22:11.57 | ckknight | too hard to remember |
| 22:12.00 | Ktron | or Verkleidungpanel |
| 22:12.17 | ckknight | people will laugh at the dung part and you know it |
| 22:12.27 | Ktron | Verkleipanel |
| 22:13.00 | ckknight | ah, screw it |
| 22:13.02 | ckknight | I like NightPanel |
| 22:13.20 | Ktron | Bumsenpanel |
| 22:13.42 | Kirkburn | I kinda gives a sense of what's wanted 'Night', unobtrusive, simple |
| 22:14.05 | ckknight | it's when the zombies and werewolves and vampires come out |
| 22:14.05 | Ktron | bleh |
| 22:14.08 | ckknight | and they're all so cuddly |
| 22:14.18 | Ktron | it has nothign to do with time, or light, or shading |
| 22:14.23 | Ktron | or sound |
| 22:14.41 | Kirkburn | German ftw |
| 22:15.17 | Ktron | I'd probably name it something like 'Tactical' |
| 22:15.20 | Ktron | but you're not me |
| 22:15.31 | Ktron | anyway... time to find the proper syntax for xml files heh |
| 22:15.49 | Maldivia | Verkleidung is not German for panel.. |
| 22:15.57 | ckknight | how bout HappyPanel? |
| 22:16.35 | ckknight | Verkleidung is German for paneling |
| 22:17.13 | Kirkburn | Booby Panel |
| 22:17.18 | ckknight | hehe |
| 22:17.28 | ckknight | SexPanel |
| 22:17.38 | Maldivia | Ktron: where did you get that Verkleidung is German for Panel ? |
| 22:17.51 | Ktron | babelfish heh |
| 22:18.22 | Maldivia | heh |
| 22:18.56 | Maldivia | well, it can mean panel - but not really in this sense |
| 22:19.27 | Maldivia | Ktron: Verkleidung means disguise :) |
| 22:19.56 | Ktron | das ist Superuberranschen |
| 22:20.48 | ckknight | ToyPanel |
| 22:21.16 | Ktron | RlyPanel |
| 22:21.21 | Maldivia | as long as you don't call it JPanel :) |
| 22:21.43 | Ktron | heh, I'm listening to lilo |
| 22:22.30 | clad|out | YARLYPanel |
| 22:22.36 | clad|out | ok.. night folks =) |
| 22:22.41 | Kirkburn | NOWAIPanel |
| 22:23.00 | Kirkburn | NightNightPanel |
| 22:23.01 | MentalPower | oh my... |
| 22:23.12 | MentalPower | nice idea from lilo :) |
| 22:23.52 | Ktron | yeah |
| 22:23.56 | Ktron | I'm in #oftc |
| 22:24.03 | Ktron | omgpanel |
| 22:25.13 | Kirkburn | Lol, it's crazy |
| 22:25.27 | Ktron | That was classic |
| 22:25.45 | Kirkburn | Totally mad |
| 22:26.06 | Kirkburn | That took like 5 seconds |
| 22:26.12 | Ktron | yeah |
| 22:26.20 | Ktron | people are watching and listening |
| 22:29.02 | ckknight | what's #otfc? |
| 22:29.41 | Ktron | http://www.oftc.net/ |
| 22:30.11 | MentalPower | I'm kinda surprised google doesn't have an april fools joke |
| 22:30.46 | Osagasu | it dies |
| 22:30.48 | Osagasu | *does |
| 22:30.50 | Osagasu | Google Romance |
| 22:31.12 | Osagasu | http://www.google.com/romance/ |
| 22:32.42 | ckknight | OmgPanel would be funny |
| 22:32.53 | Ktron | http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/aprilfool/ |
| 22:34.47 | Kirkburn | WTFPanel |
| 22:35.01 | Kirkburn | The wiki list of hoaxes is MASSIVE this year |
| 22:36.56 | Ktron | Kirkburn, or just WTPanel |
| 22:37.08 | Ktron | ItsaPanel |
| 22:37.21 | Kirkburn | RoflPanel |
| 22:37.34 | Ktron | panelcopter |
| 22:37.35 | Kirkburn | LmaoItsaPanel |
| 22:38.00 | Ktron | lolipanel |
| 22:38.04 | Kirkburn | LollerPanelSkates |
| 22:38.15 | L|Elviso | ICan'tBelieveIt'sNotTitanPanel |
| 22:42.54 | ckknight | Roflcopter |
| 22:46.32 | Kirkburn | L|Elviso won. |
| 22:48.50 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:50.37 | Kirkburn | Can you (anyone) take a look at the readme and tell me if it all makes sense? http://seis.bris.ac.uk/~gp3509/ClearFont/index.htm |
| 22:56.23 | ckknight | why? |
| 22:56.53 | ckknight | if you want a plural you, say you all |
| 22:58.34 | Maldivia | saying "you all" sounds so... illiterate |
| 22:59.01 | ckknight | no, that's "y'all" |
| 22:59.10 | ckknight | as long as you don't concatenate, it's not so bad |
| 23:00.06 | Kirkburn | So anyway, what does anyone think CombatLogFont affects |
| 23:00.26 | Kirkburn | And no, ChatFontNormal exists |
| 23:00.46 | Kirkburn | It's not turning up in any of the XML/LUA files |
| 23:01.43 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: perhaps a left over ? |
| 23:02.02 | Maldivia | or perhaps it controls the text that appears above mobs heads when you damage them |
| 23:02.24 | Kirkburn | That's what I thought, but someone says it's not being affected by editing ClearFont |
| 23:04.33 | Kemayo | ...it's a pain finding bits where the WoWWiki API docs are incomplete. |
| 23:04.49 | Maldivia | Kemayo: such as? |
| 23:06.04 | Kemayo | GetQuestLogLeaderboard() returns three values (desc, type, done). WoWWiki said that the possible values of 'type' are 'item' and 'monster'. I just discovered that it can also be 'reputation'. |
| 23:06.09 | Kemayo | So I updated the wiki. |
| 23:07.43 | Kemayo | It just leaves me wondering what else it could be that I don't know about... |
| 23:12.35 | Kirkburn | ' = foot, " = inches, no? |
| 23:14.18 | Kirkburn | If so, I've been telling people I have a 17 foot monitor |
| 23:15.53 | Kemayo | You could get that with a projector, I suppose. |
| 23:16.15 | ckknight | I have a 10' monitor |
| 23:16.20 | ckknight | it's big |
| 23:16.29 | ckknight | buy yes, Kirkburn, you're right |
| 23:16.36 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 23:16.43 | ckknight | I've gotten it to 20' |
| 23:16.49 | ckknight | had to put it on the ceiling, though |
| 23:16.56 | ckknight | good times |
| 23:17.15 | ckknight | we used it for something very important: watching the O.C. season finale... |
| 23:22.58 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:26.45 | Aalny | Anyone know offhand what the valid range is for widget SetAlpha commands? 0-1 or like 0-255? |
| 23:27.07 | Kirkburn | 0-1 I think |
| 23:27.21 | Kirkburn | Don't quote me on that |
| 23:28.44 | Kirkburn | Btw, can anyone reach http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2522 ... if so, can you tell me what the situation is? |
| 23:29.19 | Ktron | I'll try Kirkburn |
| 23:29.40 | Kirkburn | ta |
| 23:29.42 | Ktron | got it to load, what o you want to know? |
| 23:30.01 | Kirkburn | How many downloads has the enw version got, and what are the comments like? |
| 23:30.13 | Ktron | v11000-2 has 3180 downloads |
| 23:30.13 | Kirkburn | (and why the hell can't *I* get there!?!) |
| 23:30.35 | Ktron | and... when roughly was the last time you were able ot view comments? |
| 23:30.46 | Kirkburn | Roughly wednesday |
| 23:30.59 | Kirkburn | Or whenever my last comment is |
| 23:31.02 | Ktron | k |
| 23:31.33 | Ktron | I don't see any comments after "Now that Curse is back in the land of the living ..." |
| 23:31.35 | Ktron | by you |
| 23:32.02 | Kirkburn | Okies. What a bad comment that was to make :s |
| 23:32.16 | Kirkburn | Thanks muchly |
| 23:32.27 | Kirkburn | What's the total dls now then? |
| 23:32.31 | Ktron | np, glad to find somethign useful to do... um |
| 23:32.41 | Kirkburn | sorry if u just closed it :P |
| 23:32.41 | Ktron | 26472 total downloads |
| 23:32.48 | Kirkburn | ta |
| 23:32.53 | Ktron | and 520 users have it in Favorites |
| 23:33.01 | kremonte | hehe yay |
| 23:33.03 | kremonte | new weapon |
| 23:33.22 | kremonte | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21128 :D |
| 23:34.55 | Kirkburn | ooooh |
| 23:36.55 | kremonte | procs so much |
| 23:57.40 | Kirkburn | lol |
