| 00:00.47 | Miravlix | It was not a code snippet |
| 00:01.02 | Miravlix | it was an illustration of what the code does without adding the 30 lines of code |
| 00:01.55 | Miravlix | if MicroMacroMaker.FindDebuff("Spell_Frost_FrostArmor", unit) or |
| 00:02.58 | Miravlix | I have another test script that uses FindDebuff("Spell"), unit) without all the ors and FindDebuff always return the expected true or false value |
| 00:03.35 | Miravlix | So why when I put multiple FindDebuff checks into and if or then combo does it fail when two of them is true |
| 00:03.42 | Kirov | http://wow.pastebin.com/617153 - is this correct? |
| 00:04.37 | Kirov | my understanding of the "or" operator is that if the first value evaluates to true then all subsiquent values aren't even checked. |
| 00:04.53 | AnduinLothar | ssh defaults to port 22, right? |
| 00:05.04 | Kirov | So, both being true or just the first being true shouldn't matter |
| 00:05.29 | AnduinLothar | yes kirov |
| 00:07.04 | Miravlix | 20+ years of programming and I can't get a 1 line macro to work. |
| 00:07.27 | AnduinLothar | neener neener? |
| 00:07.30 | Kirov | hehe |
| 00:07.41 | Kirov | Anduin - is that a yes to my understanding of or, or to my pastebin? |
| 00:08.05 | AnduinLothar | understanding |
| 00:09.20 | Kirov | Miravlix - paste it to pastebin |
| 00:16.49 | Codayus | AnduinLothar: yes, ssh defaults to 22 |
| 00:17.25 | AnduinLothar | thx |
| 00:20.05 | Crispix_ | hrm |
| 00:20.16 | Crispix_ | Anyone know where a 33 hunter should be (alliance side?) |
| 00:20.23 | Crispix_ | Gnomer isn't doing anything any more |
| 00:20.27 | Cairenn | stv |
| 00:20.31 | Rabid-werk | stv |
| 00:20.33 | Crispix_ | stv? |
| 00:20.42 | Cairenn | stranglethorn vale |
| 00:20.45 | Rabid-werk | Stranglethorn vale |
| 00:20.46 | Kirov | Ganklethorn Vale |
| 00:20.50 | Miravlix | he should be reading the alliance leveling guide |
| 00:20.53 | Rabid-werk | lol @ gank |
| 00:21.02 | Rabid-werk | its true too |
| 00:21.05 | Rabid-werk | :\ |
| 00:21.07 | Miravlix | http://www.wow-pro.com/Forums/viewtopic/p=1488.html |
| 00:21.11 | Rabid-werk | even for us horde |
| 00:21.43 | Rabid-werk | of course its the place in all of wow that has the greatest fadeleaf |
| 00:21.48 | Rabid-werk | :\ |
| 00:22.24 | Kirov | It's a truely evil place, especially with ZG now |
| 00:22.39 | Kirov | high level 60's constantly riding through. |
| 00:23.09 | Kirov | Though I think alliance have it a little worse since Horde seem to love camping that little unguarded camp site that most of our quests are at. |
| 00:23.54 | Kirov | Though Grom Goll zeplin tower camping is fun |
| 00:24.31 | Rabid-werk | haha |
| 00:24.45 | Rabid-werk | Rogues kill me for fun there |
| 00:25.08 | Rabid-werk | I am a 26 rogue so I am no honor but WHAP I get it there and 1000 needles EVERY time :P |
| 00:29.57 | Kirov | Never leveled in thousand needles |
| 00:29.59 | Kirov | ever |
| 00:30.09 | Rabid-werk | Ally shouldnt ;) |
| 00:30.13 | Kirov | Most I've seen of it is the race track to get my carrot and flying through. |
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| 00:43.13 | Rabid-werk | mazzle UI sooon ? :D |
| 00:44.45 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 00:45.30 | Rabid-werk | can't wait |
| 00:52.23 | Kirov | mazzle? |
| 00:53.30 | Cairenn | one of the biggest headaches I've had to deal with so far :p |
| 00:53.47 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3648 |
| 00:54.09 | Cairenn | welcome to 47 pages, at least 1/2 of which annoys the hell out of me |
| 00:55.31 | Cairenn | okay, maybe not 1/2 |
| 00:55.42 | Cairenn | but a large enough percentage that it sticks in my mind |
| 00:56.15 | Codayus | oh, is that the thread of people whining about the delay in the ui being developed and released? |
| 00:56.20 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 00:56.46 | Cairenn | I silenced a bunch of people at one point, to give the flames time to die down |
| 00:57.03 | Codayus | I got about two pages into that before the urge to stab people in the face got overwhelmingly strong |
| 00:57.14 | Kirov | hehe |
| 00:58.06 | Codayus | Paraphrased: zomg, free stuff? I want it NOW. Now now now! *whine!* |
| 00:58.18 | Codayus | Only, much ruder and with worse grammar. |
| 00:58.24 | Cairenn | yeah, really |
| 00:58.34 | Iriel | Anyone played Elder scrolls : Oblivion yet? and if so is it any good? |
| 00:58.43 | Codayus | I haven't yet. |
| 00:58.44 | Cairenn | anyway, I'll be glad when she releases the damn thing |
| 00:58.46 | Kirov | A coworker has |
| 00:58.55 | Cairenn | I think Tain may have been, Iriel |
| 00:59.06 | Ratbert_CP | Tain has... |
| 00:59.07 | Codayus | Damn torrent isn't down, and amazon hasn't delivered my collectors edition yet. |
| 00:59.26 | Codayus | But...I simply can't conceive of a world in which OBlivion doesn't rock. |
| 00:59.30 | Ratbert_CP | (10:30:33) Tain: Yeah, Oblivion is good stuff. Very similar in feel to Morrowind, which is a good thing. Plus more nifty stuff. |
| 00:59.47 | Iriel | Guess i'll swing past best buy on the way home then |
| 00:59.58 | Kirov | He says the animation still suck almost as much as Morrowind: Elder Scrolls, the voice acting makes everyone sound gay, and first person is still as disorienting as it was. |
| 01:00.01 | Kirov | But fun. |
| 01:00.25 | Iriel | Not that I need any more games |
| 01:00.30 | Iriel | Or indeed, half of those I already have |
| 01:00.38 | Kirov | Oh, and the first half hour of the game you spend looking at the ground killing rats |
| 01:00.45 | Iriel | Oh, so it's like SWG? |
| 01:00.46 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 01:00.55 | Codayus | Kirov: It's a roll playing game. Of course you kill rats. |
| 01:01.00 | Kirov | Yeah, only you actually have to be LOOKING at the ground |
| 01:01.01 | Codayus | It's like an FPS and crates. |
| 01:01.06 | Codayus | :-P |
| 01:01.48 | Kirov | my girlfriend aparently used to go to lowbie zones and mc the rats and buff them with everything they could, then sit back and watch all the people starting out get owned |
| 01:02.03 | Kirov | She's mean |
| 01:02.14 | Codayus | heh |
| 01:03.50 | Codayus | damn, this class sucks. professor relies totallyon powerpoint and bullet points, but the material is entirely unsuited for it. We learn NOTHING. |
| 01:04.01 | Iriel | You learn what NOT to use PP for |
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| 01:04.14 | JoshBorke | ( Adrine ): you here? |
| 01:04.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=chatzill@host-70-45-84-10.onelinkpr.net) |
| 01:05.10 | JoshBorke | ~logs |
| 01:05.12 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 01:05.52 | Cairenn | and those, ladies and gentlemen, are why purl is actually in the channel |
| 01:06.16 | Codayus | heh |
| 01:06.18 | JoshBorke | woohoo! found it :D |
| 01:06.33 | AnduinLothar | ~log |
| 01:06.35 | purl | from memory, log is as piece of wood |
| 01:06.40 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 01:06.45 | Iriel | ~wood |
| 01:06.46 | purl | how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? |
| 01:06.50 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 01:06.54 | Iriel | ~woodchuck |
| 01:06.55 | purl | i heard woodchuck is a woodchuck, a little animal that doesnt chuck wood |
| 01:06.56 | AnduinLothar | it should auto-gen the link based on the current channel |
| 01:07.10 | JoshBorke | that would be nice |
| 01:07.11 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : I was thinking the same thing |
| 01:07.20 | Kirov | A woodchuck would chuck as much wood as he could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood. |
| 01:07.21 | JoshBorke | ( Adrine ): nvm, i'm dl'ing healcap to test tonight |
| 01:07.56 | Kirov | ~test |
| 01:07.57 | purl | Test Failed! |
| 01:07.58 | Kirov | =) |
| 01:08.06 | Kirov | ~purl |
| 01:08.08 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, purl is not a bot |
| 01:08.08 | Ratbert_CP | ~turing |
| 01:08.09 | purl | ...but I *AM* Turing complete!!!! |
| 01:08.09 | JoshBorke | ~test true |
| 01:08.10 | purl | Testing true... Segmentation fault (core dumped)$#$ |
| 01:08.33 | JoshBorke | ~test WoW > you |
| 01:08.34 | purl | Testing WoW > you... Segmentation fault (core dumped)$#$ |
| 01:08.55 | Kirov | ~joke |
| 01:08.57 | purl | What's a chicken coupe with 4 doors - a Chicken Sedan! |
| 01:09.13 | Kirov | wow |
| 01:09.22 | Cairenn | okay okay, enough abusing the bot :p |
| 01:09.30 | Kirov | ~:( |
| 01:09.31 | purl | awwwww, whats the matter?? |
| 01:09.32 | Iriel | Bah< i'm ready to go home and traffic already sucks |
| 01:09.54 | AnduinLothar | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowi-lounge/ |
| 01:10.01 | MentalPower | ~joke |
| 01:10.03 | purl | A bhuddist monk goes to a hot dog vendor and says "Make me one with everything!" |
| 01:10.12 | JoshBorke | ~:) |
| 01:10.14 | purl | from memory, :) is honeypea |
| 01:10.27 | AnduinLothar | ~O.o |
| 01:10.28 | Cairenn | omg he's been programmed with *really* bad jokes :p |
| 01:10.39 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 01:10.51 | JoshBorke | ~<3 |
| 01:11.12 | MentalPower | I always thought purl was a she :) |
| 01:11.20 | Kirov | ~prrr |
| 01:11.23 | MentalPower | ~joke |
| 01:11.24 | purl | What's a chicken coupe with 4 doors - a Chicken Sedan! |
| 01:11.37 | Kirov | aparently with two really bad jokes |
| 01:11.50 | Kirov | ~joke |
| 01:11.51 | purl | A bhuddist monk goes to a hot dog vendor and says "Make me one with everything!" |
| 01:11.57 | Iriel | Both misspelled |
| 01:13.30 | MentalPower | ~joke |
| 01:13.31 | purl | A bhuddist monk goes to a hot dog vendor and says "Make me one with everything!" |
| 01:13.32 | MentalPower | ok... |
| 01:13.34 | MentalPower | purl is choking on too many commands |
| 01:14.03 | Rabid-werk | lol |
| 01:14.10 | Rabid-werk | QFT |
| 01:14.21 | Kirov | ~choking |
| 01:14.22 | purl | hmm... choking is HELP I WAS OVERFED WITH BOTSNAKS NOW IM CHOKIN! |
| 01:14.44 | Rabid-werk | !google botsnaks |
| 01:15.40 | AnduinLothar | dude... just stfw |
| 01:16.37 | Cairenn | stfw? |
| 01:17.03 | AnduinLothar | search the web |
| 01:17.08 | Cairenn | right |
| 01:17.33 | AnduinLothar | !google == syntax error |
| 01:17.57 | AnduinLothar | also a spelling error.. |
| 01:18.53 | AnduinLothar | ~coke |
| 01:18.54 | purl | coke is, like, not the drug and not the beverage, but a formidable hacker. Don't mess with him! |
| 01:19.16 | Cairenn | o.0 |
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| 01:19.22 | AnduinLothar | ~hacker |
| 01:19.23 | purl | [hacker] someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at http://sine.com/essay/perversion-of-hacker.html, but Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiousity. |
| 01:19.39 | AnduinLothar | ~ curiousity |
| 01:19.46 | AnduinLothar | ~curiousity |
| 01:19.52 | Adrin1 | I don't know what the deal is, but why would I be unable to load an XML file from the TOC provided that it validates correctly? |
| 01:19.53 | Kirov | ~bot-snack |
| 01:19.53 | purl | aw, gee, Kirov |
| 01:20.06 | AnduinLothar | it HATES you |
| 01:20.16 | AnduinLothar | ~curious |
| 01:20.19 | Iriel | Adrin1: Did you check the FrameXML.log file? |
| 01:20.20 | Kirov | Adrin - have you restarted wow? |
| 01:20.32 | AnduinLothar | ~ni |
| 01:20.33 | purl | [ni] night |
| 01:20.38 | Adrin1 | FrameXML.log - will check |
| 01:20.43 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: night |
| 01:20.45 | Adrin1 | Kirov: I've restarted it since I added the TOC, yes |
| 01:20.57 | Iriel | Since you added the XML file to the filesystem? |
| 01:21.01 | AnduinLothar | ya, it's night somewhere |
| 01:21.01 | Adrin1 | Yes. |
| 01:21.03 | Adrin1 | Err |
| 01:21.04 | Adrin1 | No. |
| 01:21.10 | AnduinLothar | i have a final soon tho |
| 01:21.23 | Adrin1 | You have to restart for each file you add to the filesystem? |
| 01:21.29 | Adrin1 | That would explain it...but bleh. |
| 01:21.30 | Iriel | Well, not once for each file |
| 01:21.38 | Adrin1 | Well, each time you add a file? |
| 01:21.41 | Adrin1 | Or just the TOC? |
| 01:21.41 | Iriel | But the game scans the filesystem at startup, and never looks again |
| 01:21.47 | Adrin1 | Huh, ok. |
| 01:21.51 | AnduinLothar | any toc |
| 01:21.52 | Adrin1 | That would explain it then. Thanks. |
| 01:21.56 | Iriel | You can change any non ## lines in the toc without restarting |
| 01:22.04 | Iriel | But ## line changes require a restart also |
| 01:22.04 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 01:22.20 | AnduinLothar | you can add more files? |
| 01:22.27 | AnduinLothar | to the toc load |
| 01:22.35 | Iriel | Yes, as long as they were on the filesystem when you started |
| 01:22.40 | Kirov | hmm... |
| 01:22.42 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 01:23.06 | Adrin1 | I've created the files after start. That'd explain it. |
| 01:23.30 | Adrin1 | Also, I really need to get in the habit of checking framexml.log |
| 01:23.38 | Adrin1 | I have a horrid tendancy to forget it exists. |
| 01:25.05 | AnduinLothar | wonder if i could fix WTunes to load in 20 files at a time with the track data written to a lua file and then reloadui to update the list after the 20 tracks played having been replaced with more tracks and the lua modified.. |
| 01:25.48 | AnduinLothar | kind of like iTunes party-shuffle |
| 01:26.22 | JoshBorke | ( Adrine ): wb |
| 01:26.30 | AnduinLothar | just have it request a reloadui |
| 01:26.49 | AnduinLothar | cause you obviously don't want that done automaticly |
| 01:27.14 | Kirov | Meh, should be fine. |
| 01:27.15 | Iriel | Perhaps the answer to this is obvious but.. why? |
| 01:27.27 | Kirov | You know, mid Razorgore, just do a ReloadUI |
| 01:27.42 | Kirov | The 40 second lag shouldn't be a problem there. |
| 01:27.48 | AnduinLothar | :) |
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| 01:28.00 | Kirov | (hah 15 meg LootLink file) |
| 01:28.01 | AnduinLothar | i guess the only issue is when to replace the files.. |
| 01:28.29 | Iriel | Screenshot with barcoded file information |
| 01:28.33 | Iriel | dont need to reload |
| 01:28.58 | AnduinLothar | you'd need to reload for file data |
| 01:29.09 | Kirov | hmm |
| 01:29.11 | AnduinLothar | not for track updates |
| 01:29.41 | AnduinLothar | i assume i can modify mp3 files while the game's playing them without ill effects |
| 01:29.41 | Kirov | what does WTues do? |
| 01:29.51 | Kirov | Tunes |
| 01:30.09 | AnduinLothar | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=659 |
| 01:30.24 | AnduinLothar | would have to take out the searching and streaming |
| 01:30.36 | AnduinLothar | and replace it with track data... |
| 01:31.36 | AnduinLothar | what do you mean by "Screenshot with barcoded file information" iriel? |
| 01:32.23 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : I mean, put whatever command you want to issue onto the screen in barcode (or that style of encoding) form, and then print screen.l |
| 01:32.41 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Your out-of-wow program notices the screen print, scans it for the data, parses it, and acts |
| 01:33.05 | AnduinLothar | ah, using screenshots for outgoing data |
| 01:33.32 | AnduinLothar | could parse that with some commandline utilities i spose |
| 01:33.45 | AnduinLothar | i'd have to figure out how to use them |
| 01:34.09 | AnduinLothar | interesting method anyway |
| 01:34.57 | Kirov | I'm still not sure how you'd load in track data. |
| 01:35.19 | AnduinLothar | you wouldn't |
| 01:35.27 | Iriel | You can pre-load that in lua |
| 01:35.35 | AnduinLothar | i spose.. |
| 01:35.48 | Kirov | just have it in the mod's lua files? |
| 01:35.57 | Kirov | tunes\tracks.lua |
| 01:36.22 | AnduinLothar | ya.. |
| 01:36.37 | AnduinLothar | using the barcode to sellect a batch of files |
| 01:36.58 | AnduinLothar | spose you could do shuffle or inline that way, even search |
| 01:37.28 | AnduinLothar | sounds like a fun project... |
| 01:37.38 | AnduinLothar | maybe durring spring break |
| 01:39.13 | AnduinLothar | the barcode scanner would eb the hardest part unless I can file one premade and generate compatible barcodes in wow |
| 01:39.46 | Kirov | Just ducttape one to your monitor. ;) |
| 01:41.05 | AnduinLothar | http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Software/ISIS/barcode/index.html |
| 01:41.27 | Iriel | It doesnt have to be ACTUAl barcodes |
| 01:41.34 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 01:41.59 | Kirov | Iriel - shh, let him have his fun |
| 01:42.01 | AnduinLothar | well i spose a picture to text util would work too |
| 01:42.48 | Cairenn | you realize this is going to rather extreme lengths, even for you guys, right? |
| 01:42.56 | AnduinLothar | :-D |
| 01:43.02 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:43.15 | AnduinLothar | well my boss called us 'forward thinkers'... |
| 01:43.25 | Cairenn | yeah yeah |
| 01:43.29 | Cairenn | a rose by any other name |
| 01:43.39 | Iriel | I suggested screenshots and OCR a long time ago as a way around the real time data access problem |
| 01:44.24 | Kirov | Could do something that, like fraps, just watches the screen constantly, then put a graphic across the top row of pixels that represents bits |
| 01:44.32 | Iriel | yup |
| 01:44.40 | Iriel | I'm AMAZED nobody did the G15 thing that way |
| 01:44.57 | Iriel | that would have been far harder to classify as hack/no-hack |
| 01:45.00 | AnduinLothar | fraps eats my fps |
| 01:45.08 | AnduinLothar | i'd rather have the ss method |
| 01:45.12 | Iriel | Well, it doesn't have to BE fraps |
| 01:45.12 | Kirov | fraps is encoding in the background |
| 01:45.19 | Iriel | fraps has to read the whole screen, encode, store |
| 01:45.22 | Kirov | which is what's causing the slowdown. |
| 01:45.26 | Iriel | this would just have to read a tiny subset and analyze it |
| 01:45.29 | Kirov | just read the top row of pixels |
| 01:45.37 | Kirov | what iriel is saying |
| 01:45.53 | AnduinLothar | sounds lieka cross platform pain |
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| 01:46.10 | Iriel | Oh, absolutely |
| 01:46.15 | Iriel | But nobody cares about Macs anyway 8-)( |
| 01:46.17 | AnduinLothar | it's bad enough the windows images are tga and the mac are jpg |
| 01:46.23 | Kirov | because having an external run program isn't already a cross platform pain? |
| 01:46.33 | AnduinLothar | python in the bg |
| 01:46.37 | Iriel | Well, the mac jpg thing makes barcodes/OCR more annoying |
| 01:46.41 | AnduinLothar | using commandline apps |
| 01:47.03 | AnduinLothar | jpg's fine if the text is big enough and in a normal font |
| 01:47.11 | Kirov | iriel - just need to encode all the barcodes using 8x8 pixels |
| 01:47.26 | Kirov | or 4x4 rather, I forget what cell size jpg uses |
| 01:47.48 | Iriel | I'm sure 1x1 still has sufficient contrast, it's just messier than uncompressed data |
| 01:48.25 | Kirov | well, you don't really want to be doing OCR anyways since it's hella slow |
| 01:48.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: Screenshots + OCR were how old-style bot programs were developed before the MMORPG hacking community became more high-tech and started packet-sniffing and probing memory. I remember trying one out in Ultima Online. |
| 01:49.20 | Kirov | Or old-style wow fishing bots |
| 01:49.22 | AnduinLothar | anyone know any opensource ocr? |
| 01:49.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | Back then, we didn't have all the friendly development tools we do now for Windows. |
| 01:50.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ah, the days when Visual Studio crashed more then a first year CS student's pointer POC...oh wait, that day is today |
| 01:50.10 | Kirov | I'm fairly sure that's the #1 reason they made the fishing lure drop in a slightly random spot was to break the old fishing bots |
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| 01:51.57 | AnduinLothar | http://jocr.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:52.30 | Iriel | OCR's a lot faster if you know the font you're recognizing and have a 'clean feed' of the data |
| 01:54.07 | Iriel | hell, you could use a simple N pixel blink code and get data out of the game fast enough for WTunes |
| 01:54.24 | Iriel | (one or two pixels are 'clock' and the rest are 'data') |
| 01:54.56 | AnduinLothar | right. i'm not refuting that. However there is no good way to read the screen from inside a fullscreen game that I know of on mac |
| 01:55.08 | AnduinLothar | and i don't want to program a mac only solution anyway |
| 01:55.16 | AnduinLothar | and i definitely dont want to make two |
| 01:55.20 | Iriel | I dont know enough about the mac's windowing system |
| 01:55.28 | AnduinLothar | neither do i |
| 01:55.49 | AnduinLothar | only that it uses opengl and the only overlay systems i know of use directx |
| 01:57.56 | Kirov | quick google search ... it appears that overlay stuff is posisble in opengl, but not universally supported |
| 01:58.21 | Kirov | NVidia quadro cards in particular were mentioned |
| 01:59.37 | AnduinLothar | which are workstation cards |
| 01:59.44 | AnduinLothar | and increadably expensive |
| 02:00.08 | AnduinLothar | tho you can get quad monitor support.. |
| 02:00.20 | Iriel | I'm not sure that's "overlay" in the same sense as DirectX |
| 02:00.24 | Kirov | Though, the old ones were just normal GeForce cards with an extra soilder wire |
| 02:00.39 | Iriel | A lot of OpenGL tricks use a pass-through OpenGL library |
| 02:04.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | There's a program out there which can do quad monitors with four monitor ports. |
| 02:15.37 | Ktron| | that's cool |
| 02:16.10 | Ktron | I don't plan to have less than 2 monitors if I can avoid it for the rest of my life |
| 02:16.18 | Ktron | 2 is just so much more useful |
| 02:16.45 | Ktron | There's enough times you want to read and write or copy and paste that 2 screens makes sense |
| 02:16.56 | Ktron | I can't think of any natural things that would require 3 |
| 02:20.28 | Iriel | 2 to 'work' on and one to play wow on |
| 02:23.49 | Iriel | Off home! |
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| 02:24.16 | Cairenn | later Iriel, hi Gryphen |
| 02:24.52 | AnduinLothar | the ocr i found is ok |
| 02:25.04 | AnduinLothar | doesn't like times new roman in jpg tho |
| 02:26.40 | AnduinLothar | it doesn't even do courier well... |
| 02:26.49 | AnduinLothar | wonder what the prefered font is.. |
| 02:27.13 | AnduinLothar | could be a size thing |
| 02:30.58 | AnduinLothar | hmmm helvetica all caps seems to work best |
| 02:31.45 | Qzot | Buy! |
| 02:32.31 | AnduinLothar | size >= 18 seems to work well |
| 02:32.41 | AnduinLothar | on 72dpi |
| 02:33.09 | AnduinLothar | wonder how bug i'll have to make the wow fonts.. |
| 02:33.34 | Cairenn | later AnduinLothar |
| 02:35.13 | Cairenn | good luck |
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| 03:03.15 | Cairenn | interesting article, got brought up in another channel |
| 03:03.16 | Cairenn | http://www.cabochon.com/~stevey/blog-rants/bob-paradox.html |
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| 03:56.18 | Cairenn | Iriel, you *trying* to give me a heart attack? |
| 03:56.22 | Iriel | Re. |
| 03:56.24 | Iriel | Sorry! |
| 03:56.31 | Cairenn | check your email |
| 03:56.42 | Iriel | I replied 8-) |
| 03:57.18 | Cairenn | kk |
| 04:10.33 | Iriel | I'd forgotten how annoying cross-country shortcuts were at low levels |
| 04:13.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | Low levels are fine, it's when there are high-level shortcuts which are the annoying ones. Nothing ruins your day more then almost driving off a cliff. |
| 04:19.35 | Cairenn | oh, Iriel, this was linked earlier while you were braving the traffic ... you might find it interesting: http://www.cabochon.com/~stevey/blog-rants/bob-paradox.html |
| 04:32.11 | Miravlix | Anyone have a clue about what options SetCursor("cursor") accepts? |
| 04:32.43 | Iriel | Yes, the 8 constants for the different cursors |
| 04:33.22 | Miravlix | And where do I find those so SetCursor on the wiki doesn't give me a edit page anymore. :) |
| 04:34.14 | Iriel | ATTACK_ERROR_CURSOR |
| 04:34.15 | Iriel | BUY_ERROR_CURSOR |
| 04:34.15 | Iriel | CAST_ERROR_CURSOR |
| 04:34.15 | Iriel | POINT_ERROR_CURSOR |
| 04:34.15 | Iriel | ATTACK_CURSOR |
| 04:34.15 | Iriel | BUY_CURSOR |
| 04:34.17 | Iriel | CAST_CURSOR |
| 04:34.19 | Iriel | POINT_CURSOR |
| 04:34.21 | Iriel | Strings the binary 8-) |
| 04:34.41 | Miravlix | You have just been wikied. |
| 04:36.04 | MentalPower | how does the game distinguish between a bright (colored) cursor and a dim (black and white) cursor? |
| 04:36.13 | MentalPower | or do we not have access to that |
| 04:36.16 | Iriel | ERROR versus not ERROR |
| 04:37.15 | MentalPower | its too late for me, I can't think right |
| 04:37.24 | MentalPower | goodnight folks |
| 04:38.15 | Miravlix | Heh, /script SetCursor(...) is not a fun thing |
| 04:38.22 | Cairenn | night MentalPower, sweet dreams |
| 04:38.25 | Miravlix | Game resets the cursor faster than I can notice it changes |
| 04:39.43 | MentalPower | thanks Cairenn |
| 04:39.47 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:42.54 | Miravlix | http://wow.pastebin.com/617498 |
| 04:43.01 | Miravlix | Cursor support for the masses. |
| 04:44.14 | JoshBorke | er, what's that do? |
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| 04:45.45 | Miravlix | It's example XML code of adding Cursor support to an addon. |
| 04:49.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cursor support! Excellent! And here I was typing out "go north" |
| 04:50.22 | ckknight | just use the shortcut "n", "e", "s", or "w" |
| 04:50.52 | Wobster | open mailbox |
| 04:51.00 | Wobster | look |
| 04:51.03 | ckknight | look in mailbox |
| 04:51.09 | JoshBorke | ( Adrine ): healcap = awesome |
| 04:51.20 | Wobster | ( ckknight: =) ) |
| 04:51.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | > slay the skeletn ... "Slay what?" ... > sly the skeleton ... "You can't do that." ... > SLAY THE DAMN SKELETON ... "I don't see any 'damn skeleton' around here." |
| 04:51.46 | ckknight | get all in mailbox |
| 04:51.54 | ckknight | Why are you bulldozing my home, Ford? |
| 05:00.58 | ckknight | kill monster |
| 05:01.08 | ckknight | again |
| 05:04.28 | Wobster | Going to the Killing Fields |
| 05:12.08 | Cairenn | sleep time, night all |
| 05:25.15 | AnduinLothar | lol... i left it to fetch email and in two hours it's only downloaded 8k... half of them |
| 05:25.33 | AnduinLothar | all of them so far junk |
| 05:25.55 | AnduinLothar | but out of 8k only 1 was not put in the spam box.. |
| 05:27.07 | Cairenn|sleep | how'd the exam go? |
| 05:27.28 | AnduinLothar | cake |
| 05:27.32 | AnduinLothar | this was the easy one |
| 05:27.33 | Cairenn|sleep | cool |
| 05:27.37 | AnduinLothar | open notes |
| 05:28.11 | AnduinLothar | now time for kielbassa, pesto and a mudslide before work |
| 05:28.44 | Cairenn|sleep | I hope you are talking about a drink and not an actual mudslide :p |
| 05:29.02 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 05:29.26 | AnduinLothar | unless i can summon captail planet with only one ring.. |
| 05:29.45 | AnduinLothar | captain |
| 05:29.50 | Cairenn|sleep | heh |
| 05:29.59 | AnduinLothar | 8401... |
| 05:30.05 | AnduinLothar | 8420 |
| 05:30.17 | AnduinLothar | 8430.. |
| 05:30.23 | AnduinLothar | slow ass mail download.. |
| 05:31.22 | Crispix_ | interesting.... |
| 05:31.34 | Crispix_ | I have a mod thats disabling menus in inns |
| 05:31.43 | Crispix_ | so I can't set my homepoint |
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| 05:34.39 | AnduinLothar | i blame titan |
| 05:34.42 | Wobster | why disable menus in inns? |
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| 05:35.56 | Adrin1 | Dear lag: |
| 05:35.58 | Adrin1 | DIAF |
| 05:36.00 | Adrin1 | Dear Vael: |
| 05:36.03 | Adrin1 | Plz join lag. |
| 05:36.14 | Adrin1 | That's all. |
| 05:36.14 | Cairenn|sleep | oookay ... I am *definitely* going to bed now ... just listening to the weather forecast on the radio, and could have sworn she said "scattered clowns" ... |
| 05:38.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | "Scattered clowns with a chance for tomfoolery" |
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| 05:54.38 | Kirov | Anyone have a good xml editor? |
| 05:54.50 | Kirov | or, more specifically, an xml validator |
| 05:55.23 | Josh|Sleep | xmlspy |
| 05:55.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | Kirov: gvim yells at me when I do something wrong with xml |
| 06:15.24 | Kirov | hmm |
| 06:17.55 | Kirov | does gvim use .xsd files? |
| 06:18.07 | Kirov | or is there a way to get .net to use them? |
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| 06:31.28 | Crispix_ | Wob |
| 06:31.34 | Crispix_ | Not sure what mod it is :( |
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| 08:34.28 | [MoonWolf] | I am havening a grand time playining Oblivion. |
| 08:34.36 | Crispix_ | :O |
| 08:35.01 | Crispix_ | !K [MoonWolf], HETHEN..come back to us when you play the right game. :o |
| 08:35.22 | Crispix_ | grr.. one of these day !K will work and kick whoever I do that to... ONE OF THESE DAYS! /angry. |
| 08:35.28 | [MoonWolf] | when i finish exploring everyhting maxing all my skills and doing all the quests.... ill be back in two years. |
| 08:35.41 | [MoonWolf] | kidding |
| 08:35.45 | [MoonWolf] | ill keep playing wow |
| 08:35.49 | [MoonWolf] | but oblivion is sooo coool |
| 08:39.21 | Crispix_ | awg. :( |
| 08:39.30 | Crispix_ | The icon pack I wanna install in icon packager doesn't work :( |
| 08:40.52 | Crispix_ | O_O |
| 08:40.56 | Crispix_ | might of found a better one |
| 08:45.56 | Crispix_ | http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6884 O_O |
| 08:55.43 | Wobin_ | http://photobucket.com/albums/v505/sherlene_k/leobaby.jpg |
| 08:56.01 | Wobin_ | Is it only me, or does that image not only -not- 'cheer me up' but fill me with a feeling of dread? |
| 08:56.13 | krka|work | just you |
| 08:56.44 | Wobin_ | oh okay |
| 08:56.51 | Wobin_ | You feeling all cheered up now, krka? |
| 08:57.03 | krka|work | yup |
| 09:39.23 | groll | hmm anyone got any clue how one could send music via ventrilo? :P |
| 09:41.08 | Wobin_ | play it really loud and hold up the microphone? |
| 09:42.14 | groll | haha |
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| 13:50.30 | JoshBorke | good morning |
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| 14:14.26 | Cairenn | hi guys |
| 14:15.20 | [MoonWolf] | hi |
| 14:17.26 | Wobin_ | h'y'lo |
| 14:30.47 | JoshBorke | morning Cairenn |
| 14:30.51 | Cairenn | hey |
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| 15:37.44 | JoshBorke | ls |
| 15:38.48 | Wobin_ | dir |
| 15:44.26 | JoshBorke | er, oops :D |
| 15:44.29 | JoshBorke | mouse focus ftw :D |
| 15:46.26 | Adrine | Morning, folks. |
| 15:47.58 | JoshBorke | what's the performance penalty on setpoint? the reason I ask is because I plan to have a frame that is made up of a list of StatusBar elements with Button Elements placed randomly among the statusbars. |
| 15:48.29 | JoshBorke | would it be better for me to place the Button Elements in the same place as the StatusBar elements and then hide the StatusBar/Button element depending on which one I need? |
| 15:48.46 | JoshBorke | rather than trying to re-arrange each element when things change |
| 15:49.26 | JoshBorke | Adrine: morning. I <3 HealCap. It looks very pretty :-) |
| 15:50.12 | Adrine | Glad you like it. :) |
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| 16:25.26 | Ktron | Morning everyone |
| 16:25.34 | Adrine | Mornin' |
| 16:29.25 | JoshBorke | morning! |
| 16:31.02 | Ktron | how goes the channel? |
| 16:31.29 | Adrine | I have coffee and am watching people make idiots of themselves on the intarweb. Not a bad way to start a Thursday. |
| 16:31.51 | Ktron | heh |
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| 16:32.40 | Ktron | I survived a painful stats class and came up with a more realistc approach (I think) to generating torque |
| 16:32.49 | Adrine | Oh? |
| 16:32.59 | Adrine | Torque in what context? |
| 16:34.10 | Ktron | I applied for basically a undergraduate grant to design and build a robot that can 'land on it feet', or more simplistically, exert torques (quickly) on itself while in freefall |
| 16:34.22 | Adrine | Ok, actual torque then. :) |
| 16:34.26 | Adrine | But that's pretty awesome. |
| 16:34.39 | Ktron | yeah, hopefully i get the grant |
| 16:35.08 | Ktron | but its been more of a challenge than I originally thought of designing a method of exerting torque on a system |
| 16:35.17 | Ktron | not to mention how quickly... |
| 16:35.25 | Adrine | And in a controlled method, too. |
| 16:35.37 | Adrine | Seems like quite a challenge, but that would be awesome to see :) |
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| 16:36.03 | Ktron | hopefully there will be videos before the end of the summer ;) |
| 16:36.03 | Adrine | Oh geez. |
| 16:36.16 | Adrine | Another remote code execution exploit in IE. |
| 16:42.20 | Ktron | heh |
| 16:42.29 | Ktron | in IE6 or IE7? |
| 16:44.15 | Adrine | Both |
| 16:44.23 | Ktron | guck |
| 16:44.31 | Adrine | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1941507,00.asp |
| 16:45.13 | Adrine | Solution: Disable Active Scripting support. |
| 16:45.19 | Adrine | But isn't that the solution to everything? :) |
| 16:46.03 | Ktron | good thing my primary browser is FF |
| 16:46.10 | Adrine | Yes. :) |
| 16:46.17 | Gryphen | :rolleyes: |
| 16:46.36 | Ktron | Fine, Gryphen, Good thing my primary browser is not IE. |
| 16:46.41 | Adrine | Yes. :) |
| 16:46.48 | Gryphen | :rolleyes: |
| 16:48.15 | Ktron | s/with/whether/ |
| 16:48.33 | Ktron | Yes. :) |
| 16:49.25 | Ktron | caught you Gryphen while you are there, despite your sneaky botlike tactics. |
| 16:49.39 | Gryphen | i tried |
| 16:50.02 | Ktron | You had be pretty fooled |
| 16:50.11 | Ktron | s/be/me/ |
| 16:51.16 | Ktron | not a whole lot... If I figured out how to get scripting working with xchat, I'd probably set up some entertaining regexes |
| 16:54.10 | Adrine | "WoW is a "RPG" stands for Roll Playing Game. Roll meaning, a dice is rolled for most every action that is done." |
| 16:54.19 | Adrine | Oh WoW forums, don't ever change. |
| 16:54.42 | Ktron | that's spectactular:) |
| 16:55.35 | groll | ahmm it's role playing game |
| 16:55.40 | Adrine | Yes. :) |
| 16:55.45 | groll | :P |
| 16:55.57 | Adrine | I was quoting someone with a mistaken impression of the nature of the acronym. :) |
| 16:56.41 | groll | ah |
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| 17:11.52 | ckknight | that is great, Adrine |
| 17:13.07 | Tain | What's funny is you can even go over the top of that now because people misunderstand or misuse roll/role so much. I saw a tshirt that had a picture of a D20 on it with the caption, "Know your roll." |
| 17:13.36 | Adrine | The same poster went on to say that "dice play a big roll in WoW" |
| 17:13.54 | Wobin_ | ironic =P |
| 17:14.24 | Adrine | Does anyone know off the top of their head how the WoW player models have their geometry divided up? |
| 17:14.49 | Adrine | I'm looking through some screens of a rough model exporter I hacked out once, but all the geometry was in the same group, which led to interesting-looking stuff. |
| 17:15.01 | Adrine | I always meant to go back and investigate that, but never got around to it. |
| 17:18.32 | Tain | I do like how D&D Online has a D20 that shows your rolls on the screen during action. |
| 17:19.03 | Adrine | I think that NWN showed raw rolls, too, though I don't remember. |
| 17:19.10 | Wobin_ | they did |
| 17:19.13 | Wobin_ | er it did |
| 17:19.26 | Tain | Yeah, you could or you could disable it. |
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| 17:23.18 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 17:23.23 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 17:23.59 | Wobin_ | ps. HealCap? |
| 17:24.00 | Josh|Sleep | heya Shouryuu |
| 17:25.30 | Josh|Sleep | ( Wobin_ ): http://wow.tachyonsix.com/healcap2.jpg |
| 17:25.40 | Adrine | Or the zip at http://wow.tachyonsix.com/Healcap/Healcap-0.2.2.zip :) |
| 17:25.47 | Josh|Sleep | lol |
| 17:26.01 | Josh|Work | ok bye |
| 17:26.49 | Shouryuu | Is there a way to have an undefined number of arguments for a function? For example SomeFunction(X,y(1),y(2).... Y(n)) with n being user defined? |
| 17:26.59 | Wobin_ | ooh. |
| 17:27.05 | Wobin_ | That's shiny, Adrine |
| 17:27.09 | Shouryuu | a simple way |
| 17:27.09 | Adrine | Shouryuu: You could pass a table as an argument |
| 17:27.32 | Wobin_ | Can it track overheals? |
| 17:27.36 | Tain | SomeFunction(...) |
| 17:27.41 | Wobin_ | (isn't there a ... ? |
| 17:27.43 | Wobin_ | ) |
| 17:27.57 | Adrine | Wobin_: Not specifically, but it sorta kinda does it by showing where your health was at when the heal hit you. |
| 17:28.24 | ckknight | you reference the ... table as arg |
| 17:28.25 | Adrine | So if someone is stacking heals when you're in the 90%+ health range, you'll know it, and can make an intelligent decision about the effectiveness of the heal based on the heal type. |
| 17:28.25 | Wobin_ | hm, |
| 17:28.54 | Adrine | Overheal measurement is an eventual feature, but I think that overheal measurement is kinda a flawed concept to begin with |
| 17:29.00 | Adrine | Because it's only valid for single-target non-crit heals. |
| 17:29.04 | Wobin_ | What about different ranks of spells? |
| 17:29.11 | Adrine | It can't detect those, no |
| 17:29.21 | Wobin_ | hrm, yeah, cause it's not shown in the log |
| 17:29.45 | Wobin_ | So technically, they -could- be healing well using certain spells at a lower rank =) |
| 17:29.54 | Adrine | Technically, yes :) |
| 17:30.04 | Adrine | What I do need to add is a count of each heal received |
| 17:30.49 | Adrine | So if I've gotten 2k healing from Flash Heal and have received 6 heals, I have an average of 333 healing per, and can guess approximate rank (modified by +healing, of course) |
| 17:31.55 | Shouryuu | so SomeFunction(...) will let me have K arguments for SomeFunction? |
| 17:32.06 | Tain | Can someone explain why so many people want overhealing numbers? I've played many, many mmorpgs and WoW is the first time it's been an issue. |
| 17:32.18 | Wobin_ | Where K is any number of arguments as a table, yes |
| 17:32.20 | Adrine | I don't understand it, Tain, and I have a priest. :P |
| 17:32.38 | Adrine | But then, I abuse the hell out of Prayer of Healing, so Recap shows my overhealing as stupidly high anyway |
| 17:32.51 | Adrine | Even though I'm being more mana efficient than I would if I were using single-target heals. |
| 17:32.58 | Wobin_ | I dunno, for me it's not really -that- much of an issue... I dislike people wasting mana if unneeded though =) |
| 17:33.03 | Shouryuu | I guess lousy secondary healers invented overhealing |
| 17:33.40 | Wobin_ | Prayer of Healing abuse is horrible =P |
| 17:33.46 | Adrine | Not at all! :P |
| 17:33.57 | Wobin_ | I've grouped with a priest who used it for single heals =P |
| 17:34.02 | Shouryuu | Focused Casting + Berserker + PoE ruled |
| 17:34.16 | Adrine | It hits for about as much as Flash Heal, costs only slightly more than 2 Flash Heals (talented), and hits everyone in the party + pets. |
| 17:34.27 | Adrine | So if I have 2 or more people that are down ~1k health or so, it's PoH time. |
| 17:34.30 | Wobin_ | but gets 5 times the aggro, no? |
| 17:34.35 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 17:34.37 | Adrine | Eh, not an issue with good tanks. |
| 17:34.42 | Shouryuu | And fade |
| 17:34.46 | Tain | Ok, I guess my question is more, "Why do people need for someone else to tell them if they're overhealing?" |
| 17:34.53 | Wobin_ | Yes, you see though, I'm most often in PUGs =P |
| 17:35.05 | Tain | You know what your heals heal, you know how much (or should know how much) HP your target has. |
| 17:35.20 | Adrine | Wobin_: I guess that's the difference - I run almost exclusively in guild groups with tanks that I can't pull aggro from with friggin' mind blast. :) |
| 17:35.26 | Wobin_ | It's a certain feeling of superiority I guess =) |
| 17:35.39 | Adrine | Tain: I think it's to analyze where people can get better. |
| 17:35.48 | Adrine | Especially if they're having problems with staying power. |
| 17:35.53 | Wobin_ | Adrine: aha =) yeah, I'd probably be that way if I had those sorts of tanks |
| 17:36.15 | Wobin_ | As a shadow priest, I have more need of mana management than a holy specced one |
| 17:36.20 | Wobin_ | if I'm main healer |
| 17:36.33 | Adrine | Ah, yes. |
| 17:36.41 | Adrine | My priest is currently disc/holy |
| 17:36.53 | Adrine | I have my rogue for actually killing things. :) |
| 17:37.28 | Wobin_ | Well your priest is 60, no? =) |
| 17:37.31 | Adrine | Yeah |
| 17:37.33 | Adrine | Though I'm really looking forward to 1.10. Should be really interesting to be a healer with offensive viability. |
| 17:37.40 | Adrine | I did go shadow the entire way up to 60 :) |
| 17:37.40 | Wobin_ | I'll respec at raid level.... |
| 17:37.47 | Wobin_ | but to get there =)... Shadowlove |
| 17:37.47 | Adrine | <3 Shadowform |
| 17:38.01 | Wobin_ | ShadowPriest + Warlock = OTP |
| 17:38.05 | Adrine | Yes. |
| 17:38.23 | Adrine | We have a shadow priest that runs in our raids now. The warlocks simultaniously love and hate him. |
| 17:38.28 | Adrine | YAY BIG NUMBERS |
| 17:38.38 | Adrine | *pull aggro* |
| 17:38.38 | Wobin_ | BOO AGGRO |
| 17:38.39 | Adrine | BOO BIG RED NUMBERS |
| 17:38.45 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 17:38.51 | Adrine | I'm looking forward to Power Infusion |
| 17:38.58 | Adrine | I'll be able to kill warlocks at will! :D |
| 17:39.04 | Wobin_ | What's that one do again? |
| 17:39.15 | Adrine | +spell damage for 15 seconds |
| 17:39.22 | Wobin_ | oh yes =) |
| 17:39.33 | Adrine | +20% spell damage for 15 seconds. |
| 17:39.55 | Wobin_ | mmm. +35% shadowdamage for 15seconds... |
| 17:40.21 | Adrine | I'm imagining that one a shadow-vulnerable BWL mob. |
| 17:40.30 | Adrine | We had a warlock get a 9.6k crit last week. |
| 17:40.52 | Wobin_ | dear lord |
| 17:41.01 | Wobin_ | Lemme guess, s/he pulled aggro =) |
| 17:41.07 | Adrine | Very quickly. |
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| 17:41.20 | Adrine | But it was worth it. Guild crit record. :) |
| 17:42.00 | Wobin_ | hehe I'd be laughing allll the way to the spirit healer =) |
| 17:42.43 | Wobin_ | hrm, Power Infusion is castable on others, isn't it? |
| 17:43.24 | Adrine | Yup! |
| 17:43.33 | Adrine | Hence the "kill warlocks at will" comment. |
| 17:44.04 | Wobin_ | I'm thinking of a 'lock with the succubus demonic sac effect plus %15 shadowweaving and power infusion |
| 17:47.08 | Josh|Work | ( Adrine ): i don't think you can get rank information strickly from the amount heal and teh numbers cast. I think you need to incorporate health deficit also |
| 17:47.55 | Adrine | You can't, due to +/- factors and +healing gear. However, what do you mean by "health deficit"? That's what the little chart is, I think... |
| 17:48.43 | Adrine | The chart shows you what % range your health was in when each heal landed on you. That is, if I'm at 43% health and a Flash Heal lands on me, then I'll get the healing from that heal in the 40-45% bar. |
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| 17:50.31 | Wobin_ | hrm |
| 17:51.15 | Wobin_ | 50% shadow spell damage for a lock |
| 17:51.32 | Wobin_ | 60% if they use the dSac/res xploit |
| 17:53.55 | Wobin_ | or rather 63% |
| 17:55.46 | Wobin_ | which is rather ... effective |
| 18:01.34 | ckknight | anybody gotten WoW to run in wine? |
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| 18:05.37 | elema | hy guys |
| 18:06.37 | ckknight | hi elema |
| 18:06.47 | Wobin_ | heyo elema |
| 18:07.06 | elema | does anyone know, first: |
| 18:07.11 | Josh|Work | hello elema |
| 18:07.22 | elema | a program to edit one document with two persons ? |
| 18:07.37 | ckknight | yes |
| 18:07.38 | elema | (means the things they write are colored or something like this) |
| 18:07.41 | elema | which? |
| 18:07.51 | ckknight | I did something like it |
| 18:08.01 | ckknight | it was an internet-based thing, two people work on a document at the same time |
| 18:08.14 | elema | is it possible to get it ? |
| 18:08.17 | Wobin_ | collaboration tool? |
| 18:08.26 | ckknight | writely.com |
| 18:08.32 | Wobin_ | oo. |
| 18:08.40 | ckknight | yea, that was it |
| 18:08.48 | ckknight | it's pretty cool |
| 18:09.03 | ckknight | IE or Firefox |
| 18:09.03 | Gryphen | signups have been closed since google bought it |
| 18:09.07 | ckknight | oh |
| 18:09.09 | ckknight | damn |
| 18:09.10 | Wobin_ | alas |
| 18:09.12 | Wobin_ | closed =( |
| 18:09.35 | ckknight | sorry dude |
| 18:09.42 | elema | hmm |
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| 18:09.58 | elema | so let's come to the second Q: |
| 18:10.27 | elema | Does anyone know a program which can compare two documents and which find the differences in them? |
| 18:10.42 | ckknight | word documents or text documents? |
| 18:10.47 | Wobin_ | like diff? |
| 18:10.51 | elema | lua and xml |
| 18:10.57 | Josh|Work | vimdiff\ |
| 18:11.06 | elema | simdiff? |
| 18:11.13 | elema | vimdiff? |
| 18:11.14 | Josh|Work | which is part of gvim, but there are others that are better |
| 18:11.18 | Adrine | windiff is good on windows |
| 18:12.25 | Wobin_ | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/diffutils.htm |
| 18:15.39 | elema | the thing is I'm proggramming with a friend and so I wanna know, what he has changed, but don't wanna lookup thousends lines of code |
| 18:15.39 | elema | ;) |
| 18:15.39 | Adrine | elema: The two of you should version your code in something like SVN |
| 18:15.40 | Adrine | Then, when you do an update, you can do version diffs |
| 18:15.57 | Adrine | Plus, you get check-in notes, so that you can see at a glance what version progression has been like. |
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| 18:16.56 | elema | where do I get it? |
| 18:18.04 | Adrine | http://subversion.tigris.org/ |
| 18:18.38 | TrickyR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Collaborative_real-time_editors |
| 18:20.11 | Iriel | Mmm... version control. |
| 18:28.22 | Adrine | ... |
| 18:28.23 | Adrine | http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.04/learn.html |
| 18:28.43 | Adrine | So putting "Guild master and owner of 2 level 60 raiding characters" on my resume now. |
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| 18:31.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | "Guild Master, eh? Raider, eh? Seems like this guy is a 'team player'!" |
| 18:31.49 | Adrine | FEEFTY DKP MINUS |
| 18:31.53 | Adrine | I mean. Uh. |
| 18:32.02 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 18:39.17 | JoshBorke | to determine the unit under the mouse on a click, i have to hook the global frame OnClick function? |
| 18:41.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | JoshBorke: I believe there's a global entity variable called "mouseover" |
| 18:42.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | Works the same as "target", "party1", etc. |
| 18:42.47 | JoshBorke | GenNMX|Thrae: yes, but i only want it when the user clicks |
| 18:43.04 | JoshBorke | right? what function is it? GlobalFrame:GetScript("OnClick")? |
| 18:44.52 | Adrine | Why not just subscribe to PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED? |
| 18:45.31 | Iriel | There's an inherent problem with intercepting clicks on the world frame in 1.10 |
| 18:45.43 | Iriel | so if you can use PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED you'll be a much happier person |
| 18:45.45 | JoshBorke | Adrine: I only want it when SpellIsTargetting() |
| 18:46.25 | Iriel | I think you may find out you're better off tracking the "mouseover" unit, and watching for transitions on SpellIsTargetting() via OnUpdate |
| 18:46.36 | Iriel | because you can't hook the click functions in 1.10 |
| 18:49.44 | JoshBorke | http://wow.pastebin.com/618422 will something like that work for only doing stuff when they cast a spell on some unit? |
| 18:50.23 | Adrine | They can cancel the SpellIsTargeting, remember. |
| 18:50.27 | Adrine | What I'd do, rather -- |
| 18:50.43 | Adrine | Is set a var on SpellIsTargeting() and then listen to the SPELLCAST_START/STOP events |
| 18:51.01 | JoshBorke | hm, yea |
| 18:52.21 | JoshBorke | and i should still be able to use the mouseover unit in SPELLCAST_START |
| 18:52.40 | Iriel | Possibly, though instant cast spells dont fire it |
| 18:52.49 | Adrine | Instants cast SPELLCAST_STOP though, yes? |
| 18:52.52 | Iriel | yup |
| 18:52.53 | Adrine | err, fire. |
| 18:52.53 | JoshBorke | i don't need to track instant cast spells |
| 18:52.56 | Iriel | twice, I think |
| 18:53.06 | Adrine | JoshBorke: What about things like Renew? |
| 18:53.13 | Adrine | Oh, right |
| 18:53.14 | Adrine | Nevermind. |
| 18:53.15 | Adrine | >_> |
| 18:53.19 | JoshBorke | :D |
| 18:53.20 | Adrine | Forgot the purpose :) |
| 18:53.43 | JoshBorke | bah, tranquility! |
| 18:53.51 | Adrine | Eh |
| 18:53.55 | Adrine | Tranquility is AOE |
| 18:53.58 | Adrine | Not targeted |
| 18:54.05 | Wobin_ | Tranquility is pretty obvious, anyway |
| 18:54.07 | JoshBorke | true, but is a castable spell |
| 18:54.16 | Adrine | My question is this -- |
| 18:54.51 | Adrine | If I have a spell targeting, then cast ANOTHER spell (say, I selfcast a heal), does the first button press cancel the first spell and the second casts the new spell, or is it all done in the first press? |
| 18:54.58 | Adrine | Because if it's all one press, that could pose a problem. |
| 18:55.01 | Wobin_ | if DURID is FITING do not ask for INENRVATE |
| 18:55.58 | JoshBorke | druids should be more forthcoming with innervates...they are only on a 6 minute cooldown... |
| 18:56.00 | Iriel | I think you get cancel-and-cast in one go |
| 18:56.17 | Iriel | Druids might be busy, if you forget to ask ahead of time and it's important to you, shame on YOU. |
| 18:56.33 | JoshBorke | well, i mean from a paladin perspective :D |
| 18:57.58 | Adrine | I could write a mod called InnervatePlz - whisper a druid with "innervate" and their next eligible keypress casts it on you. :D |
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| 18:58.06 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 18:58.11 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 18:58.17 | JoshBorke | i should build that into my mods |
| 18:58.27 | ForgottenLords | PowerInfuse me! |
| 18:58.34 | Adrine | Better yet |
| 18:58.39 | Adrine | You could make the trigger phrase configurable |
| 18:58.50 | Wobin_ | whispercast ftw? |
| 18:58.57 | Adrine | Yeah, pretty much. |
| 18:59.03 | Adrine | But specifically for innervate! |
| 18:59.09 | JoshBorke | and you steall all keybindings! |
| 18:59.39 | Qzot | Waughh!!! My computer's down for about 3 business days! No WoW this weekend! |
| 18:59.47 | Adrine | *cringe* |
| 19:00.09 | Wobin_ | *wince* |
| 19:00.24 | Adrine | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.46 | Qzot | At least I've got the HD out, and stuffed in a USB enclosure. |
| 19:01.09 | Adrine | What's the problem with it? |
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| 19:01.37 | Qzot | BIOS complains of "FAN ERROR" |
| 19:01.53 | Iriel | Ouch |
| 19:01.56 | Adrine | Huh. That just sounds like you've got a fan that's come unplugged from the mobo. |
| 19:02.01 | Iriel | Desktop or your thinkpad? |
| 19:02.06 | Qzot | Thinkpad. |
| 19:02.09 | Adrine | Ouch. |
| 19:02.17 | Adrine | Laptop maintenance is always a pain. |
| 19:02.30 | Iriel | Hm, if you're really brave you could open it up and look for clogged fans |
| 19:02.34 | Qzot | Ironically, I've just ordered a new laptop, but it won't arrive before this one's fixed. |
| 19:02.36 | Tem | those screws are entirely too small |
| 19:02.37 | Iriel | But that's not for the feint of heart |
| 19:02.52 | Iriel | and if you want to do it 'properly' you're supposed to buy new replacement coated screws |
| 19:02.55 | Qzot | It's a work machine, so they've already tried that. Now shipping to IBM. |
| 19:03.21 | Iriel | Ah.. that sucks, can't they give you a loaner? |
| 19:03.28 | Iriel | At least something to stop the shakes? |
| 19:03.29 | Tain | Get them to spring for the 24 hour turnaround service with IBM. I love it! |
| 19:05.44 | Qzot | Nope. No loaner, and no 24-hr service, I'm afraid. Unless I want to pay for it out of pocket. :P And I don't. |
| 19:07.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hey, some IBM service is done by Qualxserv, the company I work with. |
| 19:08.47 | Qzot | Well, I suspect the machine is out the door by now. At least, I hope it is. |
| 19:08.55 | Ratbert_CP | Iriel: Feint - false attack vs Faint - weak constitution |
| 19:09.12 | Ratbert_CP | s/to/too/ |
| 19:11.04 | Iriel | I wasn't sure about that one, and decided to go with the stationery spelling, ah well |
| 19:11.32 | elema | what is the highest amount of reagents needed for crafting an item? |
| 19:11.33 | Qzot | Oooo. That gives me a *great* idea for an addon. |
| 19:11.46 | Adrine | elema: Probably the flask components |
| 19:11.52 | Adrine | 30x various herbs, IIRC |
| 19:12.09 | Adrine | Or do you mean separate components? |
| 19:12.15 | elema | different |
| 19:12.16 | Qzot | What about an addon that reads every sentence in the zone channels when you're in a city, and marks spelling and grammar mistakes for everyone? |
| 19:12.25 | Adrine | Heh. |
| 19:12.34 | Qzot | A kind of Public Service. |
| 19:12.43 | Adrine | PedantBot? |
| 19:12.48 | Qzot | LOL |
| 19:12.56 | Ratbert_CP | Grammar lessons by public shame? |
| 19:13.04 | Qzot | Bingo. |
| 19:13.14 | Ratbert_CP | Goodness knows our schools aren't doing it... |
| 19:13.28 | Qzot | "Iriel meant: Not for the faint of heart." |
| 19:13.51 | Qzot | "Killaz meant: 57 *rogue* LFG" |
| 19:14.01 | Adrine | Hahahah |
| 19:14.01 | Wobin_ | elema: One of the flasks requires a large number |
| 19:14.14 | Ratbert_CP | Of course, fixing all the your/you're switches alone will eat up at least 10 fps... |
| 19:14.50 | Qzot | Your right. |
| 19:14.52 | Qzot | :D |
| 19:14.53 | Wobin_ | item 13503 needs 8 reagents |
| 19:14.56 | Ratbert_CP | :) |
| 19:15.01 | Adrine | It's a pity we can't interface with the outside world. I'd love to be able to provide a lore bot or an item bot or something like that. |
| 19:15.06 | Adrine | Though I understand -why- |
| 19:15.08 | Wobin_ | (according to armchair alchemist =)) |
| 19:15.09 | Adrine | But still. |
| 19:15.32 | Wobin_ | Adrine: That would lead to a 'chuck norris trivia generator bot' being coded first |
| 19:15.39 | Adrine | You're probably right |
| 19:15.43 | Adrine | And then I'd have to shoot myself. |
| 19:15.46 | Adrine | So yeah, we're better off this way. |
| 19:16.18 | Adrine | Heh. |
| 19:17.01 | Adrine | Another application I'd like is a channel listener, so you could map guild chat to an IRC channel or something like that. |
| 19:17.12 | Wobin_ | That would be cool |
| 19:17.20 | Qzot | Sony's close to that. |
| 19:17.25 | Adrine | Though that'd be trivial to bypass cross-faction comm restrictions like that. |
| 19:17.45 | Wobin_ | You could technically do that anyway though |
| 19:17.46 | Qzot | Blizz should offer it as a $5-10 per month upgrade, but it would prolly be abused. |
| 19:18.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Blizz should just release a stripped-down WoW client where you can login to a character text-only. |
| 19:18.28 | Qzot | Heck, I'd even like if they had a mini-client with login for chat only. |
| 19:18.46 | Wobin_ | You are standing in front of a small white house |
| 19:18.49 | Qzot | GenNMX|Thrae: :D |
| 19:19.02 | Qzot | You can catch the canary, but you cannot carry it. |
| 19:19.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | Wobin_: Not a MUD, just for chat ;) |
| 19:19.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | I hate my Windows computer. I can eventually repair it, but it's such a pain. |
| 19:19.39 | Qzot | There's a lot of simple things I wish Blizz would add. So easy to implement, and would make life so much easier... |
| 19:19.57 | Tain | LIke what? |
| 19:20.12 | Iriel | External XML feeds of all AH data? 8-) |
| 19:20.22 | Adrine | You are standing in the Ironforge Common Area. You see various people milling about. A nude gnome is dancing on the mailbox. Off in the distance, you heard a cavernous voice echoing "Chunk Norris!". There is a mailbox here. Exits are to the east, south, north, west, and directly down if you take two steps to the right off of the bridge. |
| 19:20.26 | Qzot | [1] At the char select screen, indicate which toons have game mail, and whether any toon on some other realm has game mail. |
| 19:20.47 | Qzot | [2] Similarly, on the realm select, indicate whether any toon in that realm has game mail. |
| 19:20.49 | Adrine | Iriel: That would rule. I think it'd be so neat to have a site setup that interfaced with the auction house, so you could bid on items when not logged in. |
| 19:20.51 | Iriel | You have my vote on [1] |
| 19:21.08 | Adrine | Like, eBay, basically, just for WoW |
| 19:21.10 | Iriel | [2] also, but that's just "somewhat nice to have" compared to [1] which is "hell yes" |
| 19:21.10 | Tain | Ok wait... how do you know any of that would be "easy to implement"? I like the idea absolutely. |
| 19:21.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | Adrine: They'd have to fix the database before they could allow that -- it's already dying just from normal AH usage |
| 19:21.22 | Adrine | GenNMX|Thrae: Heh. |
| 19:21.33 | Adrine | Maybe just take a snapshot every few minutes and upload it. |
| 19:21.35 | Iriel | I suspect [1] and [2] would have significant database impact though |
| 19:21.47 | Qzot | Altho I personally like the AH data, it would let people like me completely dominate the AH. |
| 19:21.50 | Iriel | Without someone writing some more complex code to maintain a state flag |
| 19:21.54 | Tain | But when I think easy to implement I'm thinking, "Add color to the mail icon." |
| 19:22.19 | Qzot | [1] and [2] would be bit-per-toon, and bit-per-realm. |
| 19:22.30 | Iriel | Yes, but SETTING and CLEARING that bit.. |
| 19:22.31 | Qzot | Flipped on whenever you got mail. |
| 19:22.35 | Iriel | That's the thing that's complex |
| 19:22.43 | Iriel | I'm not sure the server knows if you have mail until you actually log in |
| 19:22.49 | Iriel | Even then it ends up delayed |
| 19:23.08 | Qzot | True. But it could be done in the nightly update. That would be fast enough. |
| 19:23.11 | Iriel | I dont think their database is structured for the quick 'does this character have mail' question |
| 19:23.31 | Tain | Ah see a nightly update to me passes as not even worth implementing. |
| 19:23.35 | Adrine | But then, how expensive is a "select count(id) from mail where userid = ?" |
| 19:23.50 | Qzot | Tain: Not sure what you mean. |
| 19:24.00 | Adrine | Properly indexed, that shouldn't have THAT big of an impact, especially considering that the char select screen isn't hit too often by a user, relatively speaking. |
| 19:24.06 | Tain | There's just too much assumption going on about the structure of it all. There's no way to assume it would be simple or difficult. |
| 19:24.37 | Iriel | I'm basing my assumptions on the way it behaves when I log in |
| 19:24.50 | Iriel | So I disagree with "there's no way to assume..." |
| 19:24.51 | Tain | Yeah that's all we have, Iriel. |
| 19:24.55 | Iriel | There's plenty of way to assume |
| 19:25.04 | Tain | I don't necessarily agree. |
| 19:25.06 | Adrine | There's just no way to know. =) |
| 19:25.12 | Tain | We only know we currently get that information during login. |
| 19:25.18 | Iriel | I might well be WRONG, but it's at least an informed guess |
| 19:25.20 | Tain | Not that there's no way for the server to know it for us. |
| 19:25.42 | Qzot | Well, easy or hard, I would appreciate having them. |
| 19:25.47 | Tain | Me too. |
| 19:25.55 | Qzot | [3] As mentioned, a stripped down chat client. |
| 19:26.31 | Tain | I personally would like to see a web-based chat client that could be accessed anywhere. |
| 19:26.55 | Adrine | I'm trying hard to come up with a way that providing a login and chat API could be abused, but I'm not coming up with anything. |
| 19:27.08 | Gryphen | like Minions of Mirth |
| 19:27.18 | Iriel | Well, a chat API could be abused for external access to resources, unless it's a full client |
| 19:27.32 | Qzot | [4] Web-based chat client. (As per Tain.) |
| 19:27.42 | Adrine | Well, chat outbound, anyway. |
| 19:27.50 | Adrine | Even a listener would be nice. |
| 19:27.53 | Iriel | Once you do [4] you may as well allow for real time network I/O from the game |
| 19:29.26 | Gryphen | they would have to disable the ability to parse the chat |
| 19:29.32 | Adrine | The external resources problem could possibly be solved with "trusted chat" and "untrusted chat", and only give the Lua API access to trusted chat. |
| 19:29.34 | Qzot | [5] In-game mechanism to transfer data structures (a la saved variables) to another online client. Appropriate hand-waving for coordination, security, etc. |
| 19:30.32 | Tain | Of course if we're goign to go wish-listing, how about a fully offline sandbox for addon testing. :) |
| 19:31.10 | Iriel | Well, if it's another "online client" then you can do [5] with chat |
| 19:31.22 | Iriel | The more interesting one would be to handle offline clients |
| 19:31.40 | Qzot | [5] = "I just scanned the AH. Want it?" |
| 19:32.56 | Iriel | Well, you CAN do that with chat today, it'd be slow because of the throttle mechanism |
| 19:33.03 | Qzot | Yes. |
| 19:33.15 | Iriel | But I dont see blizzard doing anything that would NOT be subject to that constraint, for purely financial reasons. |
| 19:33.18 | Iriel | Bandwidth isn't cheap |
| 19:33.22 | Qzot | You'd still need a throttle, but Blizz can do it more efficiently, I believe. |
| 19:33.47 | Iriel | If someone would port bzip2 to LUA, we could do it pretty damn well ourselves |
| 19:34.09 | Iriel | chat is MOSTLY 8-bit clean, with some freakish escaping required for links and newlines and stuff |
| 19:34.11 | Qzot | There's a library for you: data-structure remote copy. |
| 19:34.29 | Iriel | data structure remote SYNC would be more useful, I suspect 8-) |
| 19:34.47 | Iriel | Lots of possibilities for that |
| 19:35.01 | Qzot | I like both, but one would be base, the other derivative. |
| 19:35.46 | Iriel | I view copy as a degenerate sync |
| 19:35.52 | Qzot | Anyone taking bets on 1.10 release date? |
| 19:35.54 | Iriel | Rather than copy as a means to achieve sync |
| 19:36.03 | JoshBorke | Qzot: 3 weeks |
| 19:36.12 | Iriel | Because building copy on sync is usually much more effective than building sync on copy |
| 19:36.16 | Qzot | 3 weeks is taking bets? |
| 19:36.19 | JoshBorke | Qzot: 2 weeks after contest realms |
| 19:36.42 | Iriel | Is there really that much 'wrong' with 1.10 on test? |
| 19:36.44 | Qzot | Grr. I was just about ready to delay PartyAims to 1.10. |
| 19:36.49 | Iriel | I'll admit I haven't had a whole lot of time to play with it |
| 19:37.01 | Iriel | And when I did I was too busy poking holes in the signing code |
| 19:37.23 | JoshBorke | it's just my random prediction :D |
| 19:38.02 | Maldivia | Iriel: aren't most of those holes fixed in latest release? |
| 19:39.13 | Wobin_ | PS, completely offtopic, but.. http://community.livejournal.com/reformat_songs/8903.html |
| 19:40.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Ktron (i=khamer@student2a-64.unh.edu) |
| 19:41.13 | Ktron | hey again... I don't remember where I made up the levels between beginning STV and ending STV |
| 19:41.19 | Qzot | Iriel: I did run a test on Auctioneer, btw, and found your prediction to be correct. |
| 19:41.33 | Wobin_ | Horde or Alliance, Ktron? |
| 19:41.38 | Ktron | horde |
| 19:41.39 | Wobin_ | But probably Desolace |
| 19:41.51 | Ktron | yeah, I think you're right |
| 19:42.11 | Qzot | Apparently, asking for each line is sufficient to trigger the client to ask for the names of all the sellers, and re-trigger the AUCTION_ITEM_LIST_UPDATE |
| 19:42.38 | Qzot | But that event will trigger multiple times, as the names trickle in. |
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| 19:53.15 | Shouryuu | god hates me |
| 19:53.54 | Shouryuu | I lose this *real important paper, mange to make copies of them, and can't find those copies neither |
| 19:54.06 | Shouryuu | I have every paper which was handed out to me today except to bloody copies |
| 19:54.26 | Shouryuu | every single useless paper except those! |
| 19:54.54 | Shouryuu | I'm going to get killed a few times by my teacher tommorow |
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| 19:55.42 | Qzot | Doubtful. |
| 19:55.59 | Qzot | The penalties for homicide do deter certain classes of individuals. |
| 19:56.10 | Kirkburn | "Dear WoW players, do you need more UI sites?" "Yes, of course" "www.wowuploads.com" |
| 19:56.36 | Shouryuu | I am in such deep crap |
| 19:56.46 | Kirkburn | (to be fair they don't just do UIs) |
| 19:56.48 | Kirkburn | Why so? |
| 19:57.59 | Kirkburn | All I can tell so far is that is sounds like Shouryuu has killed someone??? |
| 19:58.16 | Shouryuu | no I'm going to die |
| 19:59.47 | Shouryuu | that paper bloody fanishde |
| 19:59.48 | Shouryuu | *fanished |
| 19:59.50 | Shouryuu | twiiiiceee |
| 20:00.16 | JoshBorke | rawr |
| 20:00.21 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 20:00.38 | groll | erm oke? |
| 20:00.43 | JoshBorke | lol, tab ftl |
| 20:01.50 | JoshBorke | s/fanished/vanished/? |
| 20:02.15 | Adrine | finished, I think |
| 20:02.16 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 20:02.20 | Shouryuu | vanished |
| 20:02.30 | Kirkburn | Damn vanishing paper |
| 20:02.50 | Kirkburn | Maybe it got covered in oil so you can see right through it? |
| 20:03.52 | Shouryuu | I really am going to die |
| 20:04.44 | Shouryuu | That teacher's been spending the whole week saying how lazy/unproductive/distracted/unpunctual I am, and I lose a paper she's gave use two weeks ago, and due tomorow |
| 20:06.43 | Kirkburn | I hope you find it! |
| 20:07.01 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:07.27 | Kirkburn | Isn't it showing on your mini-map? |
| 20:07.55 | Adrine | I've tried to Ctrl-F items in real life before. |
| 20:07.58 | Shouryuu | nay nothing yet |
| 20:07.59 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:08.07 | Adrine | "Crap where are my car keys? I'll just ctrl-f an...wait, crap." |
| 20:08.11 | Iriel | Qzot: Good to know (on the auction event thing) |
| 20:08.25 | Adrine | I've also tried to ctrl-f when reading a book. |
| 20:08.29 | Shouryuu | same |
| 20:08.35 | Iriel | Maldivia : I believe all known holes are fixed in the current one, yes |
| 20:08.55 | Shouryuu | rawr out |
| 20:09.50 | Kirkburn | I'm loving how patents are messing with IE7 (and, I guess, all other browsers when they update) |
| 20:10.06 | Kirkburn | Basically, you must now click to activate ANY ActiveX control |
| 20:10.07 | krka | huh? |
| 20:10.26 | Kirkburn | This includes flash, & embedded video |
| 20:10.50 | Kirkburn | So you have to click to activate a flash thing before you can use it |
| 20:11.43 | Kirkburn | Wonderfully useful having to click twice to do anything, but that's what you get for allowing software patents |
| 20:14.26 | Kirkburn | Reminds me of the recent court ruling which stated Sony must immediately cease production of the PS, PS2 and dualshock controllers due to them using a patented rumble mechanism (MS already settled it months ago) |
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| 20:17.44 | kremonte | anybody around? |
| 20:18.11 | Kirkburn | Mmm, random monologues ... well I'll finish off with this radio scan taken from the night john lennon died. Very strange and interesting to listen to. http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/0512/New_York_NY_Radio_-_The_Night_John_Lennon_Died.mp3 |
| 20:18.28 | Kirkburn | I am, but I've been talking to myself :) |
| 20:18.44 | kremonte | i can't for the life of me find raidmember casts buff on raidmember :'( |
| 20:27.12 | Adrine | Oh what the hell. |
| 20:27.18 | Adrine | I'm sitting here reading a book on Ruby |
| 20:27.24 | Adrine | Its regex match operator is =~ |
| 20:27.35 | Adrine | So...writing ruby during the day, and lua in the evening. |
| 20:27.40 | Adrine | I am going to so confuse myself. |
| 20:27.44 | Iriel | Perl uses =~ too |
| 20:27.56 | Adrine | That's right. I'd forgotten about that. |
| 20:27.59 | Iriel | Once it becomes an 'atom' in your head, rather than 2 characters, you'll be fine |
| 20:28.05 | Adrine | It's been about 4 years since I've done Perl. :) |
| 20:28.19 | Adrine | Moved on to PHP for web stuff and Python for system scripting and never looked back. |
| 20:28.57 | Iriel | In 5 or fewer sentences, why is Python better than Perl for system scripting? |
| 20:29.50 | Adrine | Worlds cleaner, makes it a lot easier to maintain in a corporate environment where you possibly have multiple devs involved. |
| 20:30.26 | kremonte | only worlds cleaner cause it requires it >< |
| 20:30.29 | Adrine | Yup! |
| 20:30.43 | kremonte | it's a pain in the arse using multiple editors |
| 20:30.44 | Adrine | Perl doesn't, and it doesn't HAVE to be ugly, but...well, look at any significantly-sized piece of Perl. |
| 20:30.54 | kremonte | some replace \t with 8 spaces or whatever |
| 20:31.05 | Adrine | Perl just kinda gravitates towards ugly and "what the hell did I do here?" |
| 20:32.03 | Adrine | It's also a lot easier for me to come back to a piece of python that I wrote 16 months ago and grok it quickly than to do the same with a piece of perl code. |
| 20:33.02 | Iriel | So looking at some random python code on my drive (I think this comes from 'Blender') it doesn't appear definitively better than python |
| 20:33.06 | Iriel | I mean, better than perl |
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| 20:34.00 | Adrine | *shrug* |
| 20:34.18 | Adrine | I just popped open a random python file from Blender (nendo_export.py) and I can tell immediately what's going on, even without the comments. |
| 20:34.26 | Iriel | Is it a syntax thing (Does python tend to have 'one way to do it' ? |
| 20:35.19 | Iriel | if I pick a random perl file (one from Ant, in this case), I feel the same way |
| 20:35.25 | Adrine | Python's very flexible in how it lets you do stuff, but it enforces a few rules that tends to result in cleaner (and easier to read) code, IMO. |
| 20:35.52 | Iriel | I'm not trying to 'argue' here, by the way, I'm trying to get a better sense of if I should care ENOUGH to learn python 8-) |
| 20:36.38 | Adrine | Heh, I picked up on that, actually :) |
| 20:37.20 | Adrine | In my experience, Python is a completely capable substitute for Perl, and it just lends itself to cleaner, better-organized code |
| 20:38.45 | Adrine | They're really quite similar, just with different syntax. Python tends to err on the side of verbose, while Perl tends to err on the side of compactness...not quite the term I'm looking for, but close enough |
| 20:39.07 | Adrine | I was actually a raving perl fanatic when I started with this company, but we use Python in-house, so I learned it and really got to like it. |
| 20:39.25 | Adrine | IMO, it's definitely worth knowing, if for nothing else than another tool in the belt, and it's very easy to pick up. |
| 20:39.38 | Adrine | I think a lot of it is that its intricacies are fewer and less esoteric than Perl's. |
| 20:39.52 | Adrine | Which just sorta makes it more accessable in general. |
| 20:39.54 | Adrine | Again, IMO. |
| 20:40.29 | kremonte | also, python is pretty simple, i wrote a quick file copy/replace general i/o app in python the day i picked it up |
| 20:40.39 | Adrine | (That's why I'm learning Ruby, incidentally. Just another tool in the belt.) |
| 20:40.41 | kremonte | with a working gui as well ^______^ |
| 20:42.00 | Iriel | I have no shortage of 'more tools of my belt', the question is really which one to use next |
| 20:42.15 | Adrine | What are the contenders? |
| 20:42.28 | Iriel | and "beacause all the cool kids are doing it" is never a good enough justification |
| 20:42.49 | kremonte | for you of all people i doubt python would take much time at all to master, iriel =P |
| 20:43.10 | Adrine | Pff, you could learn workable Python in 20 minutes. :) |
| 20:43.21 | Iriel | The usual suspects (python, ruby, php) are in there, as are a zillion java libraries and apache projects |
| 20:43.42 | Iriel | If I _had_ to use it, I doubt doubt I could figure it out |
| 20:43.53 | Iriel | but that's different from _learning_ it, IMHO |
| 20:44.15 | Adrine | Ruby's looking interesting. It seems like an odd melding of Python's verbosity with Perl's tendancy towards syntactic sugar/shortcuts, topped with a dose of genuine OO. |
| 20:45.10 | Adrine | And...well, we're investigating Rails for some of our new apps in house, so I guess I have to learn it. :) |
| 20:48.48 | Iriel | Well, since amazon hangs on to my previous stuff, I'm adding a book to an already full shopping cart |
| 20:48.57 | Adrine | Heh |
| 20:50.00 | Adrine | Aha! I've got it. Why I prefer Python can probably be summed up as "It's a lot harder to write bad Python than to write bad Perl." |
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| 20:53.02 | Adrine | Python isn't superior to Perl so much as it's comparable and a lot cleaner in general, and I'm a fan of clean languages. |
| 20:53.24 | Qzot | Imho, the pain of a new language is usu the common libs, not the lg per se. |
| 20:55.29 | Iriel | I agree with Qzot about that, some languages also have a high reliance on standard idioms too |
| 20:55.41 | Iriel | Hm, overuse of 'too' and 'also' in the same sentence, sorry |
| 20:57.34 | Iriel | Ok, Adrine, I'll blame you later if python sucks 8-) |
| 20:57.40 | Adrine | Heheh, fair enough |
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| 21:01.04 | krka | python is a nice language |
| 21:01.34 | Iriel | People said that about Tcl |
| 21:01.44 | Iriel | I'd still like those hours back. |
| 21:01.52 | Adrine | HEh |
| 21:01.59 | krka | never looked at tlc |
| 21:02.01 | krka | tcl |
| 21:04.14 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 21:04.18 | JoshBorke | tcl...yuck |
| 21:06.45 | Ktron | tcltk is fun for learning the basics of graphical applications |
| 21:07.05 | Adrine | Heh, interesting. |
| 21:07.24 | Adrine | Case actually matters in terms of how you name ruby variables |
| 21:08.12 | Adrine | Constants and class names start with an uppercase letter. Local variables and method names start with a lower case letter. |
| 21:08.15 | Ktron | never tried python or ruby |
| 21:08.36 | Ktron | I was like, I know perl and php, why do I need python and ruby? |
| 21:11.01 | Qzot | Some people thought Teco was a reasonable lg to code in, too. |
| 21:11.02 | Qzot | Bleah. |
| 21:12.01 | Ktron | haven't even heard of teco... |
| 21:12.03 | Ktron | ~teco |
| 21:12.04 | purl | from memory, teco is the editor in which the first EMACS (Editing MACroS) was written. |
| 21:12.57 | Qzot | I pre-date emacs. Teco was a command-based editor you could use to edit files on ttys. |
| 21:14.48 | Shouryuu | Arrgh... I just went though my trash and *stil* can't find that paper |
| 21:15.32 | Shouryuu | I'm quite sure some evil spirit is haunting me |
| 21:16.40 | Shouryuu | slowly twisting my mind and seeing how far it goes before it SNAPS |
| 21:17.15 | Shouryuu | and why are some of my words underlined by green dots? |
| 21:17.54 | Qzot | Lol. We snapped your mind some time back. But you're insane now, so you don't realize that. Now, we're using your brain to carry out a DDOS attack on humanity. <high-pitched cackle> |
| 21:18.11 | Shouryuu | w00t |
| 21:19.02 | Qzot | "Missing important papers" is just a random selection we use for the idle loop. |
| 21:19.38 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:19.46 | Shouryuu | I'm sure someone hacked my eyes |
| 21:20.37 | Shouryuu | or my arms and legs and threw those papers away in my sleep |
| 21:22.04 | Shouryuu | And *WHY* are some of t my words underlined by green dots |
| 21:22.15 | Qzot | Do you really want to know? They're right in front of you. But we twiddle the blind spot so that you can't perceive them. |
| 21:23.14 | Shouryuu | I really am going mad right here |
| 21:23.17 | Qzot | Actually, that's not true. But taunting you is part of this particular idle loop, too. We actually had you eat them. |
| 21:23.26 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:24.08 | Qzot | If you want, I can fire up the nausea process, and let you have what's left. |
| 21:24.40 | Shouryuu | No I'm fine thanks |
| 21:29.48 | Qzot | If you find the papers, you'll be able to do the assignment? |
| 21:30.16 | Qzot | Which means you can pass the class? |
| 21:30.26 | Qzot | Which means you'll be able to graduate? |
| 21:30.53 | Qzot | Which means you can spend 50 years of your life at a variety of sucky jobs? See? You're better off without it. |
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| 21:43.40 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:44.09 | Shouryuu | If you could be anyone, who would you choose to be? |
| 21:44.13 | Shouryuu | I hate those questions |
| 21:44.24 | Tain | I choose you, Pikachu! |
| 21:44.30 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:44.42 | Adrine | "I'd be the guy who wrote this question, so I could refuse to write it, thereby meaning that this question never got written so I don't have to answer it." |
| 21:44.51 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:44.58 | Shouryuu | I doubt they find that very amusing |
| 21:45.42 | Shouryuu | it's for an interview |
| 21:46.30 | Adrine | "I'd be the person reading this, so I could hire myself!" |
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| 21:46.39 | Shouryuu | lol |
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| 21:46.48 | Shouryuu | not a job interview, a "class" interview |
| 21:47.02 | Adrine | "I'd be the person reading this, so I could give myself a passing mark." |
| 21:47.52 | Shouryuu | Actualy I'm thinking of answering Tyler Durden, but I'm afraid to come off a bit extremist |
| 21:48.02 | Adrine | "I am Batman." |
| 21:48.53 | Tain | That's a dumb question. I'd be me. |
| 21:49.18 | Shouryuu | Yeah I |
| 21:49.22 | Shouryuu | d |
| 21:49.22 | Shouryuu | answer that |
| 21:50.10 | Shouryuu | but the teacher said no |
| 21:50.19 | Tain | F that. |
| 21:50.36 | Shouryuu | I'm going to go with Tyler Durden, but I'm going to sound like a anaro-terrorist or something |
| 21:51.07 | Tain | "I'd be Dick Cheney so I can shoot people in the face with a shotgun and they'll apologize to me for it afterwards. |
| 21:51.15 | Adrine | Awesome. |
| 21:52.30 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:52.57 | Adrine | Ahahaha. |
| 21:52.58 | Adrine | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.09 | Adrine | The WoW proverbs thread is mostly stupid with some gems. |
| 21:53.16 | Shouryuu | lol link? |
| 21:53.20 | Adrine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=7577473&P=8 |
| 21:55.00 | Adrine | The only thing we have to fear is Death Coil, Psychic Scream, Intimidating Shot, Gargoyles, Pterrodaxes, Banshees, Conflagration, Princess Theradras, The Beast, Onyxia, Natalia, and Fear itself. |
| 21:56.00 | Shouryuu | lol "ab targetting leads to wipes of Nefarious proportions" |
| 21:57.22 | Shouryuu | *tab |
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| 22:02.33 | Tain | I only fear the Blizzard billing department. |
| 22:03.25 | Shouryuu | oucchhh "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and be Palehoof" |
| 22:04.08 | Legorol | g'morning |
| 22:04.14 | Legorol | is anyone here using mIRC? |
| 22:04.18 | Shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.24 | Shouryuu | Stopped once I needed to pay |
| 22:04.27 | Qzot | I did on my now-dead laptop. |
| 22:04.37 | Legorol | does anyone know if the email address are enter in there is visible by others? |
| 22:04.43 | Legorol | what about other IRC clients? |
| 22:05.17 | Qzot | I believe your email address is only visible to Nigerian scammers. |
| 22:05.23 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:05.25 | Legorol | seriously though |
| 22:05.34 | Qzot | Don't know. |
| 22:05.46 | Legorol | ok |
| 22:09.41 | Tain | I've always put a fake email address in mIRC, so I'm not sure. |
| 22:11.36 | Shouryuu | what a dumb fucking question |
| 22:11.37 | JoshBorke | ok bye |
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| 22:11.41 | Shouryuu | who would ou dream of being |
| 22:11.48 | Shouryuu | god damn it I hate that |
| 22:12.31 | Tain | Just say something like Ghandi, make world peace, that sort of bullshit. |
| 22:12.38 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:20.14 | Kirov | "Give a man a fish, and he can feed his pet for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll get bored and just buy some instead." |
| 22:20.22 | Adrine | Heheheh. |
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| 22:24.44 | Adrine | Heh. Anyone read about this Roma Victor crucifixion? |
| 22:25.12 | Iriel | Yeah |
| 22:25.24 | Adrine | Interesting approach. |
| 22:25.33 | Iriel | I like the idea of visible 'enforcement' but the specifics dont seem as important. |
| 22:25.45 | Iriel | I'm not sure it'll help much, though it may take care of a certain grey area |
| 22:25.52 | Kirov | ? |
| 22:26.04 | Adrine | It's more the in-game approach to punishment, rather than the out-of-game approach. |
| 22:26.32 | Adrine | Seems like it could be counterproductive (wear it like a badge of honor, anyone?), but the idea is interesting. |
| 22:26.33 | Iriel | Well, my read on the description was it's the in-game metaphor which represents out-of-game suspension |
| 22:26.38 | Adrine | Kirov: http://www.warcry.com/scripts/columns/view_sectionalt.phtml?site=15&id=108&colid=9368 |
| 22:27.09 | Kirov | You guys ever heard of the corn field? |
| 22:27.13 | Adrine | Second Life. :) |
| 22:27.25 | Adrine | Well, yeah, but often times, things that would get you there are done to get attention, and this is the ultimate "Hay guys look at me" maneuver. |
| 22:28.02 | Iriel | Ah, Second Life. |
| 22:28.07 | Adrine | This is in-game public punishment, as opposed to removal from the game world in one way or another. |
| 22:28.12 | Iriel | Linden Labs is LITERALLY 4 feet behind me |
| 22:28.19 | Adrine | ...heh. |
| 22:28.52 | Kirov | I used to work on the floor above Stair Master |
| 22:29.00 | Kirov | who were, oddly, on the bottom floor |
| 22:29.14 | Adrine | Hahahah! |
| 22:29.18 | Adrine | That's awesome. |
| 22:31.45 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=18315#post18315 |
| 22:32.13 | Cairenn | (yes, I changed his user name on him :p) |
| 22:32.30 | Adrine | Heheh. |
| 22:32.30 | Iriel | I dont think i've really had any other interesting 'office sharing's, a bunch of boring financial/legal firms, and The Gap is about about it. |
| 22:32.31 | Qzot | The difference in crux v. cornfield is the visibility. As well as wanting to frustrate other people, bullies (i.e. griefers) want some attention. Crux gives it to them. |
| 22:32.44 | Adrine | Qzot: Exactly. |
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| 22:33.23 | Iriel | Now, assuming crux is combined with a suspension, I wonder how well being visible but unable to see it is going to scratch that itch |
| 22:33.41 | Adrine | Well, he'll be notorious when he comes back online. |
| 22:33.50 | Adrine | I mean, look at all the news stories that have cropped up about it. |
| 22:34.05 | Iriel | Maybe, I suspect 'he' will be a mere drop in a sea of hundreds or thousands of idiots |
| 22:34.14 | Qzot | Multiple accounts. Borrow your friends account. Won't matter. |
| 22:34.14 | Iriel | it sounds 'cool' until you realize you're ALSO suspended |
| 22:34.18 | Adrine | Heheh. |
| 22:34.24 | Adrine | Fair 'nough |
| 22:34.40 | Iriel | Maybe they wont care tho, Qzot's point is a valid one |
| 22:34.53 | Kirov | It seems like this would be more effective if the people who are crucified are unamed. |
| 22:35.22 | Kirov | You can be seen, and you can see others, but can't speak or have your character's name seen. |
| 22:35.23 | Adrine | Kirov: I'd definitely agree there. Remove the nametag for the duration and bam. |
| 22:35.42 | Kirov | Same effective punishment with out the "fame" reward. |
| 22:35.59 | Kirov | Ban them from any official chat during that time as well. |
| 22:37.49 | Adrine | If I were a WoW dev, I'd just make sure that banned people get a never-ending queue. |
| 22:37.57 | Kirov | lol |
| 22:38.04 | Adrine | Sure, we'll let you log in! |
| 22:38.05 | Iriel | It should seem to end |
| 22:38.17 | Adrine | Just make it work like Windows Media's buffering display. |
| 22:38.20 | Iriel | but then get a disconnection error (one of a random set) at somewhere between 20 and 3 |
| 22:38.28 | Adrine | "Buffering...20%...28%....36%...18%..." |
| 22:38.28 | Kirov | Adrine - I was thinking the same thing |
| 22:39.10 | Kirov | Iriel - mean, but that is just going to cause more consumer service calls |
| 22:39.35 | Kirov | It'd be better to let them connect then give them the suspension message then. |
| 22:39.44 | Adrine | After an artificially long queue |
| 22:39.56 | Kirov | Yes, which keeps them at the end of the line |
| 22:40.02 | Adrine | There you go |
| 22:40.05 | Kirov | so if other people come they get a put in front. |
| 22:40.14 | Kirov | As long as the number doesn't go up |
| 22:40.56 | Adrine | Just make it an 1/X function. lim(queue) time->infinity = 0 |
| 22:41.00 | Kirov | 4 hour queue, followed by a "I'm sorry, you've been suspended. Please try again in another 15 minutes." |
| 22:41.12 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:41.23 | Qzot | Hmm. Reminds me of being ganked about 2 weeks ago. |
| 22:41.50 | Adrine | Or better yet, make the queue the length of their suspension. "Place in queue: 151,231,512. Time remaining: 6:23:09:43" |
| 22:41.59 | Adrine | It'd be like WoW hell. |
| 22:42.15 | Qzot | Took us an hour to get into Ulda, then I logged onto an alliance toon, and asked one of the gankers to let the 5th person in, please, because they were really scared, and relative noobs. |
| 22:42.35 | Kirov | heh |
| 22:43.03 | Kirov | There are two horde mages that spend all their time ganking in Redridge on my server. |
| 22:43.11 | Kirov | they just kill everyone constantly. |
| 22:43.21 | Qzot | Half hour later, we got a strange tell from a fellow "Horde" asking if we were all safe, and did our 5th member need an escort. Very enjoyable. |
| 22:43.34 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:43.37 | Kirov | I brought my 60 hunter (they're both 60) and killed one mage in about 2 seconds and the other ran away. |
| 22:43.46 | Kirov | Log back on my alt and kept playing. |
| 22:43.56 | Qzot | Yeah. There's an Alliance rogue on my server that is always lurking at the Ulda instance portal. Hate her. |
| 22:43.59 | Adrine | We have a rogue that ganks in Darkshire all day long. His guild tag is <Mayor of Darkshire>. |
| 22:44.15 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:44.21 | Qzot | It's pathetic, really. |
| 22:44.26 | Kirov | The worst thing is I almost managed to kill one of them solo with my lvl 26 rogue |
| 22:44.39 | Kirov | took the other one coming over and sheeping me for them to finish me off |
| 22:44.53 | Qzot | That tells you why they're ganking, and not pvping at their own level... |
| 22:45.00 | Kirov | yeah |
| 22:45.14 | Kirkburn | So, I'm stuck on ClearFont, I'm not entirely sure how to make it 'reload' each time an addon is loaded (if that's even correct) ... I've got this, so far ... http://wow.pastebin.com/618926 |
| 22:45.31 | Kirov | Though, seeing a lvl 60 paladin from a rival alliance guild in MC gear get his ass kicked when he tried to fend them off was funny. |
| 22:45.33 | Kirkburn | (yes, it's not much) |
| 22:45.53 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:46.04 | Kirov | hmm |
| 22:46.15 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zespri (n=andrews@202.180.89.103) |
| 22:46.46 | Kirov | We're able to change the Font xml objects in 1.10 in game now, right? |
| 22:46.49 | Kirov | That's the issue here? |
| 22:46.56 | Kirkburn | When other addons make fonts.xml reload it messes up CF |
| 22:47.07 | zespri | can anyone enlighten me how mac is going to run on intel? are they going to rewrite all soft (I'm not a mac guy, so I must be missing something) |
| 22:47.11 | Kirkburn | Thus every time I have to make CF reload straight afterwards |
| 22:47.23 | Adrine | Kirkburn: You may be able to solve it by just renaming CF to something that'll load last. |
| 22:47.26 | Iriel | They'll just recompile with an intel compiler |
| 22:47.36 | zespri | what about OS? |
| 22:47.36 | Kirkburn | Ah, but what about Load on Demand addons? |
| 22:47.39 | Kirov | load on demand stuff |
| 22:47.43 | Adrine | Bah, that's true. |
| 22:47.52 | zespri | will they recompile MAc os whatever its name too? |
| 22:47.57 | Iriel | zespri: They ARE the OS |
| 22:48.13 | Iriel | zespri: Apple's using intel processors |
| 22:48.24 | Adrine | Warmup does it by hooking the LoadAddOn function in addition to the ADDON_LOADED event. |
| 22:48.28 | Kirov | Adrine - Does loading an on-demand addon break all fonts? |
| 22:48.39 | Kirov | I'm not entirely sure how the game's inheriting system works |
| 22:48.44 | Kirkburn | It's what I've had reported Kirov |
| 22:48.54 | Adrine | What do you mean by "break all fonts"? |
| 22:48.55 | Iriel | Well, for fonts, it'll be a bit different than normal |
| 22:48.56 | Kirkburn | (all standard fonts) |
| 22:48.59 | Iriel | fonts abuse 'inherits' |
| 22:49.12 | zespri | yeah, Iriel, but does this mean that they are going to rewrite their OS from scratch for a new processor architecture? this a huge job, I can't see how is this feasible and compatible |
| 22:49.13 | Kirov | So, WoW's inheretence is instanced, not copies? |
| 22:49.24 | Iriel | I'm personally a bit puzzled about the claimed breakage, but also I'm not sure other addons need to include Fonts.xml anymore |
| 22:49.37 | Kirov | ie: changing the inhereted frame will change all frames that inheret it in-game? |
| 22:49.50 | Iriel | zespri: Their OS is based on BSD, it was likely almost all already there |
| 22:50.03 | Iriel | zespri: All they'd need to add is support for 'apple specific stuff' |
| 22:50.31 | Adrine | For the most part, the compiler takes care of the processor architecture stuff. There might be specific tricks used for a given processor, but those are relatively easy to port if you know where they are. |
| 22:50.31 | zespri | bsd as in unix bsd? |
| 22:50.44 | Kirkburn | Yes, that's a good question, why the hell does anyone need to specify fonts.xml in a .toc ? |
| 22:50.58 | Iriel | In the past we used to |
| 22:50.58 | Adrine | OS X is built on BSD, I believe. |
| 22:51.06 | Kirkburn | But no more? |
| 22:51.10 | Iriel | But once 1.10 hits I dont think we need to |
| 22:51.13 | Codayus | yes, it is |
| 22:51.20 | Kirov | Iriel - do you know if WoW's frame inheretence is done via instancing or copying? |
| 22:51.30 | zespri | what is BSD? nix OS? |
| 22:51.35 | Adrine | Yes |
| 22:51.57 | Kirkburn | Iriel: why would an addon have to do it in the first place? |
| 22:52.02 | zespri | then it makes certain sense... |
| 22:52.28 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Because prior to 1.10 that was the only way to get at the standard fonts |
| 22:53.03 | Kirkburn | So the best way around it is to get rid of that line rather than make me reload each time? |
| 22:53.24 | Iriel | I would imagine so, I haven't played with real addons on 1.10 anough to be 100% sure |
| 22:53.27 | Kirkburn | Does anyone wanna try a test for me? :P |
| 22:53.37 | Kirov | don't have the test server here at work |
| 22:53.42 | Kirkburn | (I can't get on the test server) |
| 22:54.07 | Kirkburn | Dang and darn it to heck |
| 22:54.54 | Kirkburn | WTB tester |
| 22:55.40 | Kirkburn | Okay, I hope this isn't a stupid question, by why does an addon need to get at fonts.xml? |
| 22:55.54 | Iriel | Didn't I just answer that a bunch of times? |
| 22:56.14 | Kirkburn | To get at them, yes ... but to do what with them? |
| 22:56.28 | Iriel | Use them |
| 22:56.35 | Iriel | inherits="GameFontNormalSmall" |
| 22:56.43 | Kirkburn | Ah, I see |
| 22:56.46 | Iriel | Remember, prior to 1.10 those were VIRTUAL FontStrings |
| 22:56.56 | Iriel | Virtual frames dont exist in LoD addons unless you load them |
| 22:57.37 | Kirkburn | So it only applies to LoD addons |
| 22:57.54 | Kirkburn | I think I've got it now :) |
| 22:58.03 | Iriel | It would, yes, or non-LoD addons that someone copied from a LoD addon |
| 22:58.15 | Iriel | Or potentially LoD addons that are coded just in case |
| 22:58.54 | Kirkburn | So I just need to a test to see if that line is needed in 1.10, if not I can just spam other people's sites and tell them to get their act together :) |
| 22:59.35 | Iriel | Pretty much 8-) |
| 22:59.42 | Iriel | I still am not sure if it SHOULD be breaking your addon |
| 22:59.51 | Iriel | Unless it's because it redefines some of the global symbols |
| 23:00.11 | Kirkburn | SuperInspect is the offending addon |
| 23:00.27 | Iriel | Unless FontString inheritance from Fonts is an ugly hack |
| 23:01.03 | Kirkburn | You know what i just noticed ... SuperInspect doesn't even USE inherits |
| 23:01.35 | Kirkburn | I lie, it does much later on |
| 23:01.36 | *** join/#wowi-lounge {RA}BC-Werk (n=BC@216.31.182.146) |
| 23:02.30 | Kirkburn | Let us assume it is required for me to sort the problem myself ... |
| 23:03.07 | Kirkburn | There's no way to detect if fonts.xml is loaded? |
| 23:03.29 | Kirov | not really |
| 23:03.46 | Adrine | What about seeing if SomeFrameInFontsXml == nil? |
| 23:03.46 | Kirov | is there a way to iterate over all loaded "font" strings in the game? |
| 23:03.57 | Kirov | well, hmm, that would be bad |
| 23:04.12 | Kirkburn | So ... the first step would be to rename ClearFont as zzzClearFont :s |
| 23:04.34 | Kirov | there's no way to see "inherits" from lua |
| 23:04.34 | Kirkburn | Or, make it reload every bloody time another addon loads |
| 23:04.55 | Shouryuu | Ok, don't warriors get def stance *only* at lvl 20 and not before? |
| 23:05.12 | Adrine | You could have a "load delay" that gets reset every time an addon loads |
| 23:05.17 | Adrine | And then just do the load after the load delay expires. |
| 23:05.31 | Adrine | Would be kinda a race condition... |
| 23:05.46 | Adrine | ...but it would likely cut out the majority of extraneous reloads. |
| 23:05.49 | RABID-Werk | Shouryuu yes if I remember correctly |
| 23:05.52 | Kirkburn | So that way it would load once at the start only |
| 23:06.01 | RABID-Werk | wait |
| 23:06.04 | RABID-Werk | level 10 |
| 23:06.07 | RABID-Werk | quest |
| 23:06.11 | Shouryuu | ok |
| 23:06.12 | Kirkburn | But it would leave the UI looking a bit strange until that time |
| 23:06.14 | RABID-Werk | Horde its the barrens |
| 23:06.18 | Shouryuu | I thought it was 20 |
| 23:06.19 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 23:06.20 | RABID-Werk | dunno ally |
| 23:06.29 | Kirkburn | shoo, shoo! |
| 23:06.38 | Iriel | Actually, there IS a way to detect it |
| 23:06.53 | Kirkburn | This sounds good ... |
| 23:07.15 | Iriel | Cache a local reference to RAID_CLASS_COLORS |
| 23:07.27 | Iriel | After every ADDON_LOADED_EVENT, see if it's changed |
| 23:07.33 | Kirkburn | ooh, sneaky |
| 23:07.43 | Adrine | That sounds kinda hackish and prone to patch-breakage. :P |
| 23:07.49 | Adrine | Though...what isn't? |
| 23:07.50 | Iriel | if it's a new table reference, then the file was PROBABLY reloaded |
| 23:07.59 | Iriel | Well, there's nothing LESS hackish I can think of 8-) |
| 23:08.08 | Adrine | Lesser of several evils then? |
| 23:08.22 | Kirkburn | Unless I get someone to test on 1.10 now :P |
| 23:08.24 | Iriel | I suspect it's breaking your addon because it will, each time, redefine all of the *_TEXT_FONT strings |
| 23:08.27 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.28 | Iriel | etc |
| 23:08.36 | Kirkburn | yup |
| 23:08.39 | Iriel | So, if that really IS the crux of the problem |
| 23:08.43 | Iriel | You could just check those specifically |
| 23:08.45 | Kirkburn | It just sets every font back to the normal |
| 23:08.55 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 23:08.58 | Iriel | But it shouldn't be changing the <Font> objects |
| 23:09.12 | Iriel | if it's doing THAT then Fonts work differently from everything else |
| 23:09.19 | Iriel | which is entirely POSSIBLE, but definitely ANNOYING |
| 23:09.21 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 23:09.46 | Kirkburn | "There appears to be some issues with ClearFont and SuperInspect in 1.10. If SuperInspect is loaded, none of ClearFont works. If SuperInspect is not loaded, everything works fine. Probably something SuperInspect is doing, but just a heads up. |
| 23:09.46 | Kirkburn | " |
| 23:10.09 | Kirkburn | Specifically "none of CF works" |
| 23:10.19 | Iriel | Well, for now,, go with the 'if I detect a Fonts.xml load, re-apply CF' approach for now |
| 23:10.29 | Iriel | and see if it helps |
| 23:10.41 | Kirkburn | Erm, so what code would that require? :) |
| 23:11.03 | Kirkburn | (this was my earlier attempt http://wow.pastebin.com/618926) |
| 23:11.06 | Kirov | what code is clearfont doing now? |
| 23:11.09 | Iriel | local refRAID_CLASS_COLORS = nil; |
| 23:11.12 | Kirov | on load |
| 23:11.26 | Iriel | whenever ClearFont applies itself, do refRAID_CLASS_COLORS = RAID_CLASS_COLORS; |
| 23:11.37 | Iriel | then whenever you see an event=="ADDON_LOADED" do |
| 23:11.46 | Kirkburn | "GameFontNormal:SetFont("Interface\\Addons\\ClearFont\\Fonts\\ClearFont.ttf", 13);" ina big long list Kirov |
| 23:11.53 | Iriel | if (refRAID_CLASS_COLORS ~= RAID_CLASS_COLORS) then loadClearFont() end |
| 23:11.56 | Iriel | or whatever you call it |
| 23:14.35 | Kirkburn | Okay I think I've got most of that, I'm not sure about the "whenever CF applies itself do..." and where to put it |
| 23:15.44 | Iriel | well, if you have a function called loadClearFont() or doClearFont() or kirkburnLovesYouBaby() or whatever |
| 23:15.45 | Iriel | put it in there |
| 23:16.11 | Iriel | the idea is every time you set all the fonts from clearFont, you update the reference |
| 23:16.46 | Shouryuu | How do I create a function with an undefined number of arguments, and how do I call each one? For example, if how do I create SomeFunc(A,Bb,b2,b3,....,bn) where n is user defined, and how do I call the 15th argument? Tain told me I should do SomeFunc(...) but the "how to call the 15th argument" still stands... |
| 23:17.15 | Iriel | arg[15] |
| 23:17.27 | Iriel | when you do ..., lua creates a table called 'arg' whenever the function is called |
| 23:17.33 | Adrine | function foo(...) implicity creates a table called a...nevermind. |
| 23:17.33 | Iriel | arg.n is the number of arguments |
| 23:17.34 | Shouryuu | ahhhh |
| 23:17.43 | Shouryuu | very cool |
| 23:17.46 | Shouryuu | thanks :P |
| 23:17.55 | Iriel | arg[1], arg[2], arg[3]... etc are the arguments |
| 23:18.03 | Shouryuu | aye, understood |
| 23:18.10 | Iriel | Note that A(nil,nil) gives you arg.n == 2 |
| 23:18.15 | Iriel | Which is useful, but sometimes confusing |
| 23:18.24 | Josh|Work | is <table>.n defined as table.getn unless you redefine it? |
| 23:18.24 | Iriel | You can do things like function something(x,y,z,....) |
| 23:18.37 | Iriel | table.getn uses the 'n' index if it's there |
| 23:18.44 | Iriel | or an internal hidden value if it's not there |
| 23:18.53 | Iriel | (There's a 3rd case too, I think, check the lua manual) |
| 23:18.57 | Iriel | ditto setn |
| 23:19.09 | Shouryuu | Exactly what I needed thanks |
| 23:19.25 | Iriel | Bear in mind that you create a garbage table every function call |
| 23:19.28 | Iriel | Dont use that in an OnUpdate 8-) |
| 23:19.45 | Adrine | heheheh |
| 23:19.57 | Shouryuu | no worries |
| 23:20.01 | Adrine | WoW stoled my megahurtz :( |
| 23:20.47 | Kirkburn | Is this in any way correct ... http://wow.pastebin.com/618993 |
| 23:22.13 | Iriel | Well, you're missing a bunch of 'end's |
| 23:22.19 | Iriel | and your indentation leaves something to be desired |
| 23:22.25 | Iriel | But in general, that's the right idea |
| 23:23.33 | Kirkburn | Fine, the please-Iriel update, http://wow.pastebin.com/618993 :P |
| 23:24.45 | Kirkburn | Erm, at a guess, does all the setfont stuff go just before the last end? |
| 23:24.53 | Iriel | lua will help you as soon as you try running it 8-) |
| 23:25.13 | Kirkburn | If I could get on the test server ... |
| 23:26.18 | Josh|Work | is there an event fired when someone starts to bandage someone? or do I just have to look at CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PERIODIC_FRIENDLYPLAYER_BUFF (PERIODIC_PARTY_BUFF too)? |
| 23:28.00 | Kirkburn | Iriel, I just found it also occurs with the Blizz LoD addons :S |
| 23:28.20 | Kirkburn | Since those obviously aren't gonna change ... |
| 23:28.24 | Iriel | Kirkburn: That makes sense |
| 23:28.42 | Iriel | Kirkburn: well, if you posted a 'Can we make these addons not do that' thread they may change eventually |
| 23:31.17 | Kirkburn | I'm still confused as to where I'd put the SetFont lines now |
| 23:36.30 | Kirov | make the long list of "SetFont" lines a function that you call. |
| 23:38.11 | Kirov | Call it when you load the game, call it again on ADDON_LOADED in loadClearFont() after you compare refRAID_CLASS_COLORS to RAID_CLASS_COLORS, and reset refRAID_CLASS_COLORS after you've done the load |
| 23:38.24 | Kirov | actually, how do you compare two tables like that? |
| 23:38.42 | Kirov | since refRAID_CLASS_COLORS == RAID_CLASS_COLORS will get mad |
| 23:39.13 | Iriel | You're comparing the REFERENCES |
| 23:39.16 | Iriel | not the contents |
| 23:39.39 | Iriel | == and ~= will work just fine |
| 23:39.43 | Kirov | Really? |
| 23:40.12 | Miravlix | Where is that Emsomething guy, I need his speed optimization concepts. |
| 23:40.20 | Kirov | I thought I'd tried that once and wow complained it didn't have a metamethod for that |
| 23:40.21 | Iriel | X = {} Y = {} |
| 23:40.41 | Iriel | (X == Y) -> false, (X ~= Y) -> true |
| 23:40.45 | Iriel | X = {} Y = X; |
| 23:40.55 | Iriel | (X == Y) -> true, (X ~= Y) -> false |
| 23:41.04 | Iriel | Miravlix : What kind of 'speed optimization concepts' ? |
| 23:41.31 | Miravlix | local function test() if a = b then return c end <addondir>_test = test |
| 23:41.42 | Miravlix | Making function calls faster |
| 23:41.56 | JoshBorke | you can make function calls faster? |
| 23:42.06 | Iriel | You can make LOOKUPS faster by localizing them |
| 23:42.10 | Miravlix | Anything local is faster |
| 23:42.21 | Iriel | I do local strfind = string.find or local rawget = rawget, etc |
| 23:42.27 | Iriel | in places where I call the things a lot |
| 23:42.40 | Iriel | You dont make the CALL faster, you just make resolving the function faster |
| 23:42.54 | Iriel | Obviously you still have to pay for the first lookup |
| 23:43.03 | Iriel | and that example was silly, because it's ALREADY local |
| 23:43.50 | Miravlix | well, local function is fast, <addondir>_<name> = localfunction is making it globaly availble |
| 23:44.10 | Miravlix | The <addondir>_ version is 'slow' offcourse |
| 23:44.19 | Iriel | slower to resolve, yes |
| 23:44.21 | Iriel | but it RUNS just as fast |
| 23:44.41 | Miravlix | Yes, I know |
| 23:44.49 | Iriel | You could do: function <addondir>_test() if a ==b then return c end; local test = <addondir>_test; too, if you so desired. |
| 23:45.20 | Iriel | As a rough general rule, if you use something a lot, then grabbing a local copy of the reference speeds things up |
| 23:45.30 | Iriel | You wont of course notice, unless it's in a place that's executed a lot |
| 23:45.41 | Miravlix | Yeps, just getting a concistent design down on paper |
| 23:45.53 | Iriel | It is worth noting that the downside of local bindings is that it becomes unhookable later |
| 23:45.55 | Miravlix | Other problem is that local has to be defined before it's used. |
| 23:46.07 | Iriel | It has to be DECLARED before it's used |
| 23:46.08 | Adrine | What's "a lot"? 10 times per frame? 100? 1000? |
| 23:46.10 | JoshBorke | ( Iriel ): what about tables? would local references to tables create extra used memory? |
| 23:46.12 | Iriel | you can declare early, assign late tho |
| 23:46.22 | Iriel | local x,y,z; |
| 23:46.28 | Iriel | x = function() y() end |
| 23:46.29 | Kirkburn | Just thinking about it, shouldn't ... if (refRAID_CLASS_COLORS ~= RAID_CLASS_COLORS) then loadClearFont() ... be == ? Since I've set it to not be that, I want to see if it has changed to become that? |
| 23:46.33 | Iriel | y = function() z end |
| 23:46.41 | Iriel | z = function() return 3; end |
| 23:47.02 | Iriel | Kirkburn : No, it should be ~=, because if it's not equal you know Fonts.xml got re-loaded, if it IS equal you know it hasn't been loaded since last time |
| 23:47.27 | Kirkburn | okay |
| 23:47.35 | Miravlix | Hmm, now thats interesting, since I can put that in the top of my files like a C .h file. |
| 23:47.46 | Iriel | JoshBorke : Locals incur a 'value-sized' overhead on the scope of their execution, so it's either registers on the stack, or an upvalue to things that use it |
| 23:48.12 | Iriel | JoshBorke : A lua value is the same size no matter what's in it, number, string, nil, boolean, table, function, etc |
| 23:48.29 | Iriel | Some of those obviously require ADDITIONAL space for the value itself, and the lua value is simply a reference to that |
| 23:48.53 | Iriel | Miravlix : All locals are in lua is a handy way of talking about runtime register values with a nice name |
| 23:49.14 | Iriel | Miravlix : local X is just saying 'from now on, when you see X it refers to the appropriate register' |
| 23:49.26 | Iriel | Miravlix : The compiler takes care of scoping and upvalues and that kind of fun stuff |
| 23:51.52 | Iriel | Adrine : "a lot" is somewhat subjective, in code that executes frequently I use 'more than one' as my definition, in code that's rarely called, it could be quite high |
| 23:52.13 | Iriel | The same principle is useful for nested tables, one of my pet peeves is code like this: |
| 23:52.25 | Iriel | settings[player][unit].name = UnitName(unit) |
| 23:52.35 | Iriel | settings[player][unit].level = UnitLevel(unit) |
| 23:52.43 | Iriel | settings[player][unit].class = UnitClass(unit) |
| 23:52.48 | Iriel | Instead of |
| 23:52.58 | Iriel | local uTbl = settings[player][unit]; |
| 23:53.08 | Iriel | uTbl.name = UnitName(unit) |
| 23:53.10 | Iriel | etc.. |
| 23:53.21 | Shouryuu | I want to create an addon that allows players to save several of their favorite phrases, and randomly say them on cast. For example let's say I have three very long phrase I want to randomly say on a rez. I could use a macro but getting past the char lim is a pain. Will the following work using this code http://wow.pastebin.com/619048 : I enter /script PhraseCatcher(MyRezTable,3,"OneVeryLongPhrase","Another very long phrase","A not so |
| 23:53.30 | Adrine | settings["player"]["unit"] = {name = UnitName(unit), level = UnitLevel(unit) ...}; ? |
| 23:53.48 | Iriel | Adrine : That's fine if you're CREATING the table then |
| 23:53.54 | Iriel | Adrine : But my example didn't do that 8-) |
| 23:53.57 | Adrine | True. :) |
| 23:54.48 | Iriel | Shouryuu : Why not just write an 'add this to that table' function |
| 23:54.55 | Kirkburn | Ah, I'm getting so confused and frustrated! I've got this now, and I really don't where I'm going with it :( http://wow.pastebin.com/619072 |
| 23:55.05 | Iriel | Shouryuu : /script PhraseCatcher:Add("OnRez","This is a very long line for when I get ressed") |
| 23:55.17 | Iriel | Shouryuu : /script PhraseCatcher:Add("OnRez","And this is a different line for when I get ressed") |
| 23:55.23 | Iriel | Then put the results into a SavedVariable |
| 23:55.40 | Shouryuu | aye sounds good |
| 23:55.48 | Kirov | Or, better yet, write a UI that doesn't require slash commands! |
| 23:55.52 | Shouryuu | I'm going to bed though |
| 23:56.07 | Shouryuu | A good night's sleep is always useful before public beheading |
| 23:56.11 | Shouryuu | so see you round |
| 23:57.09 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/619078 |
| 23:57.26 | Kirkburn | thankyou so much! |
| 23:57.48 | Iriel | That assumes that CF:OnLoad and CF:OnEvent work right 8-) |
| 23:57.54 | Kirkburn | yes indeed |
| 23:58.01 | Iriel | You can make loadCF() local too, if you want |
| 23:58.10 | Iriel | or maybe make it CF:ApplyFonts() |
| 23:58.19 | Kirkburn | I was gonna change it to that |
| 23:58.27 | Kirkburn | Consistency |
| 23:58.50 | Iriel | CF is a terrible name for a global variable in my opinion, but hopefully that means nobody else will use it |
| 23:58.59 | Adrine | Heheh. |
| 23:59.19 | Adrine | Sounds like a Yogi-ism. |
| 23:59.35 | Adrine | Nobody goes there anymore because it's so crowded! |
| 23:59.40 | Cairenn | CF means something very different than "Clear Font" where I grew up ... |
| 23:59.50 | Miravlix | Only way to name a global propperly is to do <addondir>_ |
