| 00:00.04 | Kirkburn | Yes, I'm continuing: Starforce 4.0 - |
| 00:00.04 | Kirkburn | Is it true that it will replace windows files? e.g the USB drivers? |
| 00:00.05 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.01 | Cairenn|afk | Kirkburn: you're raving like a doomsayer :p |
| 00:02.10 | Adrine | DOOM AND DESTRUCTION! |
| 00:02.16 | Kirkburn | My DVD drive is messed up, and I'm not happy |
| 00:02.17 | Adrine | REPENT! |
| 00:02.21 | Adrine | Can I have your stuff? |
| 00:02.25 | Kirkburn | And now that I may have found the reason ... |
| 00:03.00 | Cairenn|afk | ummm, yeah, we got that |
| 00:05.09 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 00:09.55 | Kirkburn | I hope others are having a better day than me :) |
| 00:10.30 | Adrine | I'm kicking ass my my XML tool. I'm having a great day. :D |
| 00:13.36 | Kirkburn | Send me the link again :) |
| 00:14.25 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/uiviewer/?file=Healcap.xml and http://wow.tachyonsix.com/uiviewer/?file=Sanity.xml are my two current test views. |
| 00:15.00 | Adrine | That's being generated on the fly from the same code, using the actual Blizzard widget definitions where inheritance is used. :) |
| 00:15.52 | Adrine | It's still ugly, but it's recognizable, and the layout proportions are correct. |
| 00:17.16 | Adrine | Note that it's going to look like total crap in IE due to its lack of support for PNG alpha channels. |
| 00:17.29 | Gryphen | ie6 |
| 00:17.38 | Adrine | Well, yeah. |
| 00:17.44 | Gryphen | its identical to ff in ie7 |
| 00:18.03 | Adrine | And it only took them like 9 years to do it, too! :P |
| 00:18.41 | Gryphen | yay another ie zinger |
| 00:19.16 | Adrine | I have a deep-rooted loathing for IE6, as it makes both my work and play unnecessarily difficult. |
| 00:20.29 | Kirkburn | Yup Gryphen is right, it's pretty close |
| 00:20.50 | Adrine | I'm very glad to hear that. :) |
| 00:20.59 | Kirkburn | They're gonna have new versions of IE every 9-12months, so there's hope yet |
| 00:21.38 | Adrine | Eh. I remember reading something about them saying they have no plans to implement CSS to W3 standards, so I'll still be writing ugly hacks. |
| 00:22.24 | JoshBorke | haha! just noticed the new feature :D |
| 00:22.32 | Adrine | >_> |
| 00:22.35 | Kirkburn | Adrine, that's for IE7 |
| 00:22.50 | Adrine | "New versions" being major versions, or point releases? |
| 00:22.51 | JoshBorke | i like it! |
| 00:23.21 | Kirkburn | The major release afaik |
| 00:23.34 | Kirkburn | Going forward they're gonna be adding more |
| 00:23.39 | Adrine | I'll believe it when I see it, but I will keep hope! :) |
| 00:23.52 | Kirkburn | IE7 is basically to get IE up to scratch and ready to be done properly |
| 00:24.10 | Kirkburn | Given that it was 6 year old code |
| 00:24.14 | Adrine | Heh. |
| 00:24.15 | Gryphen | eh, the standards are drivin by innovation |
| 00:24.35 | Adrine | Problem is Microsoft tends to act as though they are the sole innovators out there sometimes. |
| 00:24.46 | Kirkburn | I bet half of their time was working out what did what in the code |
| 00:24.55 | Kirkburn | Doesn't Apple? |
| 00:25.28 | Kirkburn | The correct answer to that is yes, it does too :P |
| 00:25.40 | Adrine | Apple acts like -an- innovator, but their major revitalization as a company happened about the time that they started building on standards rather than reinventing the wheel every time they wanted to do something. |
| 00:26.10 | Kirkburn | They still say they did everything |
| 00:26.16 | Adrine | Yeah, I know :P |
| 00:26.19 | Gryphen | like mozilla |
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| 00:26.40 | Adrine | I'm being kicked out of the office, so it's time to go home. |
| 00:26.43 | Adrine | Take it easy, folks. |
| 00:26.53 | Kirkburn | rawr, StarForce, rawr :) |
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| 00:45.09 | JoshBorke | woohoo! now my heals really do work! |
| 00:45.13 | JoshBorke | and by heals i mean castbars |
| 00:48.23 | Cairenn | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/03/15 |
| 00:48.50 | Cairenn | just the way you said that, reminded me of the comic |
| 01:03.09 | RABID-Werk | GRYPHON!!! |
| 01:03.14 | RABID-Werk | OMG I missed him |
| 01:03.24 | RABID-Werk | :\ |
| 01:03.37 | RABID-Werk | old planetside clanmate from way back |
| 01:03.56 | RABID-Werk | :( |
| 01:05.30 | RABID-Werk | wow site down for anyone else? |
| 01:06.13 | Ktron | What's a good tooltip addon? |
| 01:09.24 | Cairenn | I like TipBuddy |
| 01:09.34 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4017 |
| 01:10.45 | Iriel | Oh, so that's not an addon to tell you how much extra to pay the flightmasters? |
| 01:10.51 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:11.08 | RABID-Werk | lmao |
| 01:11.12 | RABID-Werk | nice |
| 01:15.43 | AnduinLothar | TibBuddy's not too bad. I do like the default TB colors and info. Though I prefer using Smart Anchoring from Gymnast when relocating... but then I did write it for that. |
| 01:18.09 | AnduinLothar | If tip buddy used khaos configs I'd rather use it that the KhaosTooltips we hacked together |
| 01:19.51 | AnduinLothar | anyone have any idea what this guy is talkign about? "rotating gold crown in the minimap and the soft dinging tone signify" |
| 01:20.35 | Iriel | Something to do with pinging? |
| 01:20.44 | AnduinLothar | that's all i can think of.. |
| 01:21.33 | AnduinLothar | never heard it described as a crown tho.. |
| 01:21.58 | Iriel | that may be a poorly suggested automated translation |
| 01:22.09 | Iriel | the sentence sounds like something out of babelfish |
| 01:23.08 | AnduinLothar | probably right |
| 01:24.36 | AnduinLothar | i was gonna link him to http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html but it doesn't really work if they don't know english well |
| 01:26.37 | AnduinLothar | it's sad when people start asking me about built-in functions... cause I know someone wrote a manual.. It's not like my addons that are poorly documented.. |
| 01:28.04 | AnduinLothar | "Windows Vista Delayed Again" |
| 01:34.49 | AnduinLothar | mmm, samsung's going to be offering solid state drives... for 800-$1000 that would do wonders for WoW paging all the time... |
| 01:35.21 | AnduinLothar | or I spose i could just max my ram... prolly cheeper for 4 gigs |
| 01:36.10 | Tain | Wow, my poor Rogue took a beating trying to get through the first solo quests in D&D Online. |
| 01:36.13 | Tain | I need a break after that. |
| 01:37.10 | AnduinLothar | 4gb is about $400 |
| 01:38.19 | Iriel | Rogues are kinda squishy in DDO |
| 01:39.04 | Iriel | Though there are some decent 'steath useful' quests |
| 01:39.13 | Iriel | Such as sneaking by many of the ambushes in the sewers |
| 01:39.43 | Tain | Yeah, I just know that just about every one of the quests I've done so far benefits greatly from a Rogue unlocking doors or disarming traps. It's refreshing. |
| 01:40.26 | Iriel | I'm still pondering dual-classing one of my other characters with rogue, just for lock picking and trap disarming |
| 01:40.38 | Iriel | Though the latter can fail quite catastrophically |
| 01:41.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | Do you need to do anything special with Teamspeak to be able to hear other users? |
| 01:41.56 | Tain | Oh yes it can. |
| 01:42.17 | Iriel | I've learned to give the rogue a wide berth during such adventures. |
| 01:42.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | I just installed the Linux server, connected both my XP machine as a client and my mom's XP machine as a 2nd client, but the two clients can't seem to hear each other. |
| 01:42.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | Local tests work OK |
| 01:46.07 | Tain | Oh Iriel have you found any way to bind keys to the other bars directly? It seems like you can only bind 1-9 (or however high it goes) to keys and that's it. |
| 01:47.08 | Iriel | Tain: Dont the optional extra bars all have bindings? |
| 01:47.13 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: you there? |
| 01:47.26 | AnduinLothar | yes, but they don't show unless you have BarOptions |
| 01:48.55 | Iriel | As for non-selected other pages of the action bar, there aren't any inbuilt bindings for those, but you could likely just write one to call the appropriate UseAction |
| 01:52.25 | Tain | For DDO. |
| 01:54.13 | Iriel | Oh 8-) |
| 01:54.19 | Iriel | Not as far sa I can tell 8-) |
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| 01:55.13 | Qzot | Evening. |
| 01:55.41 | Qzot | Grr. I'm at an impromptu WoW LAN party, and none of us can log on. :( |
| 01:55.51 | Cairenn | I'm listening in :p |
| 01:56.10 | Cairenn | well, to Galataea, describing it |
| 01:56.12 | Qzot | Listening in? |
| 01:56.14 | Qzot | Oh. |
| 01:56.16 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 01:56.22 | Qzot | Gal's in? |
| 01:56.34 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 01:56.50 | Qzot | I think she's not coming here, leaving from her hotel room in 3.5 hrs. |
| 01:56.57 | Cairenn | errr, not Gal describing it, Copra |
| 02:00.12 | Crispix | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-suggestions&t=753810&s=new&tmp=1#new *zing* *hehe* |
| 02:00.15 | Cairenn | btw, have a slug of that Glenlivet for me, hmm? |
| 02:00.38 | Qzot | Bleah. I don't do Scotch. I'll raise a beer glass. |
| 02:00.43 | Cairenn | ewwww |
| 02:01.27 | Tain | Waste of extra bars if you can't bind directly to them if you ask me. |
| 02:01.37 | Tain | G15 macros to the rescue! |
| 02:03.21 | AnduinLothar | some people actually CLICK on their bars.. |
| 02:03.39 | Tain | Yes I call them ineffecient. |
| 02:04.52 | Tain | I use the mouse for as litle as possible. |
| 02:04.56 | Iriel | the documentation for key bindings is weak (and that's being generous) |
| 02:05.19 | Iriel | So it's entirely possible there's some strange trick involving modifier keys (which they go on about in the manual, but dont explain very well) |
| 02:06.28 | Tain | Nothing in the faq online. But the documentation is a bit sparse. No idea how much you can do with the /alias command, it exists but they only use it to show things like doing emotes, or say. |
| 02:09.40 | Iriel | There's a tip along the lines of 'Not enough keys to bind to things?' and I always feel it's more "not enough things to bind keys to?" |
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| 02:12.32 | Tain | Yeah really. :) |
| 02:12.53 | Iriel | I've failed to find any mention of extra bindings online either |
| 02:14.57 | Tain | Was next trying to find if there were slash commands for using feats/spells. There's some slash commands, but I can't find a full list of those either. |
| 02:16.55 | Iriel | The ddo.keymap file isn't encouraging either |
| 02:17.16 | Tain | The interesting things you find while searching. "Entering /death in your chat bar will instantly kill your character. Please be aware that there is no confirmation box." |
| 02:17.36 | AnduinLothar | lol |
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| 02:18.11 | Iriel | You could try SHORTCUT_BAR_11_KEY |
| 02:18.22 | Iriel | Hm, oddly enough there are times that would have been useful |
| 02:21.54 | Iriel | http://en.ddowiki.ws/page/Alias_command |
| 02:22.05 | Iriel | That references a (supposedly broken) shortcut key alias mechanism |
| 02:23.16 | AnduinLothar | getting blood of heroes is such a pain in t he ass on pvp server |
| 02:23.57 | AnduinLothar | i haven't seen one in 8 months and now i get ganked before i can loot it.. |
| 02:26.48 | Tain | Yeah I was just reading another thread about people playing with the alias shortcut command and erasing their hotkeys instead of doing anything useful. |
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| 02:30.36 | Legorol | g'morning |
| 02:30.41 | Legorol | you guys on about DDO? |
| 02:30.45 | Legorol | is there a free trial of that? |
| 02:30.51 | Legorol | need something to do whilst WoW servers are down :D |
| 02:30.54 | Cairenn | hi Lego |
| 02:31.17 | AnduinLothar | i have some things you could be doing ;) |
| 02:31.27 | Legorol | yeah yeah |
| 02:43.05 | Miravlix | Opening your spellbook and clicking the icon? |
| 02:44.58 | Ktron | no, it needs to be quick |
| 02:45.08 | Miravlix | PoM |
| 02:45.11 | Ktron | I might try a double tapping approach, we'll see |
| 02:45.12 | Ktron | PoM? |
| 02:45.22 | Miravlix | makes spells instant |
| 02:45.32 | Ktron | psh |
| 02:45.35 | Ktron | I'm a mage anyway |
| 02:46.00 | Ktron | no, I'm thinking about maybe making a way to use mousewheel to cast spells |
| 02:46.20 | Tain | Mouse gesture spell casting! |
| 02:46.21 | Miravlix | Check CastOptions world cast feature |
| 02:46.28 | Legorol | don't you know about the mouse gesture mod? |
| 02:46.50 | Ktron | like, mousewheel to pick a spell, and my 3rd mouse button to cast perhaps... I didn't think there was a mouse gesture mod... |
| 02:46.50 | Tain | It worked so well in Black & White. |
| 02:46.55 | Ktron | I think you're lying |
| 02:46.55 | Ktron | heh |
| 02:47.05 | Ktron | B&W was hard to get the right gesture |
| 02:47.07 | Ktron | especially quickly |
| 02:47.57 | Legorol | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2061 |
| 02:51.04 | Miravlix | It does require good hand to mouse control. |
| 02:52.23 | Miravlix | Something I never learned, because my dad never was interested in gaming computers, so I had to be all serious |
| 02:53.08 | Ktron | Like... anyone play Jedi Knight, the original? I'm sure there's other games which have this too |
| 02:54.05 | Ktron | you can hit [ and ] or q and e to scroll through your inv/force spells, and it basically has a bar that scrolls horizontally, with a highlight on the middle one, and when you tell it to use your ability, it casts the highlighted spell |
| 02:54.23 | Ktron | I'm wondering if I could duplicate such functionality with flexbar |
| 02:54.44 | Ktron | Or I suppose an addon, but I think that would be harder than making flexbar do it |
| 02:56.20 | Tain | Sure you could. |
| 02:56.45 | Tain | Basically the same way the game switches bars when you change forms. |
| 02:56.49 | Tain | Swap buttons. |
| 02:57.27 | Tain | I've often thought of making an OSX type finder "bar" that scrolls up and down on mouseovers. |
| 02:57.29 | Ktron | I think there's a function in flexbar that lets you say 'put the button in ID X in ID Y' |
| 02:57.39 | Tain | But just for fun, I don't see it functional at all, well for me. |
| 02:57.45 | Tain | I'd always rather press one button than multiples. |
| 02:58.30 | Ktron | so given buttons a b c and a dummy x, I could do x = a, a = b, b = c, c = x; and effectively rotate one in one direction |
| 02:58.45 | Miravlix | Why is GetPlayerBuff so insanely different from UnitBuff? |
| 02:58.58 | Tain | Intentionally to give you a hard time. |
| 02:59.00 | Ktron | Actually, I might be able to do that with macros even, huh |
| 02:59.05 | Miravlix | It use 0 as start, UnitBuff uses 1. |
| 02:59.30 | Miravlix | The sort order of buffs returned by GetPlayerBuff is different than the sort order of buffs returned by UnitBuff("player" |
| 02:59.38 | Tain | Yeah Ktron it shouldn't really be that hard to do. |
| 03:00.07 | Tain | I wanted to make something that magnified out like OSX's bar does, just for the hell of it. I bet people would use it. |
| 03:00.14 | Tain | I wouldn't though, so it limits my ambition. |
| 03:00.26 | Ktron | heh, I could see people using it for food/tradeskills |
| 03:00.35 | Ktron | or buffs |
| 03:00.40 | Ktron | something you don't need to cast in combat |
| 03:01.16 | Tain | hee hee another mod hosting site. |
| 03:01.53 | Ktron | ? |
| 03:03.30 | Ktron | hm, is there a command to get the 'contents' of an action button? |
| 03:08.46 | Ktron | I wish I had a better way to describe this, searching is difficult |
| 03:09.49 | Tain | Pretty much just the bunch of GetActionxx functions. |
| 03:24.16 | Miravlix | You want to search the ActionButtons for Spell "Something"? |
| 03:24.54 | Ktron | I really want to be able to have a way to 'get' the 'action' of a button, and 'set' the 'action' of a button |
| 03:27.26 | Ktron | I don't mind doing a bit of coding to make these functinos |
| 03:27.27 | Miravlix | GetActionText(slot) or GetActionTexture(slot) to check what it contains |
| 03:28.03 | Miravlix | Oh wait Text only works for Macros |
| 03:28.16 | Miravlix | It returns the macro name. |
| 03:29.51 | Miravlix | You basically have to do HasAction(slot) then GetActionText(slot) and GetActionTexture(slot) if GetActionText ~= nil then you can use GetActionTexture to search the spellbook |
| 03:30.11 | Miravlix | err GetActopmText == nil |
| 03:30.16 | Miravlix | it's way over my bed time. |
| 03:31.17 | Miravlix | If GetActionText(slot) ~= you have to search macros for Text and texture |
| 03:31.58 | Miravlix | And then there is checking if it's an item either usable or eat able |
| 03:33.06 | Miravlix | Now setting, I don't think thats normaly possible. |
| 03:33.41 | Miravlix | As far as I can tell, actionbars is saved on the server, not the client. |
| 03:34.30 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/articles/12701/the-burning-crusade-hellfire-citadel-details.html |
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| 03:36.16 | Iriel | Evening |
| 03:36.28 | Ktron | bleh, that's no fun |
| 03:36.43 | Ktron | Iriel, I might have a challenge for you to help me code later, if you're in the mood andaround |
| 03:36.57 | Miravlix | FeralSkill has a working example of scanning actionbuttons |
| 03:37.15 | Ktron | bbiam |
| 03:37.26 | Iriel | Ktron : cool, as long as my brain doesn't fall asleep I should be. |
| 03:37.27 | Miravlix | Hey Iriel |
| 03:37.51 | Iriel | it feels like it's thursday already, yet it's only tuesday 8-( |
| 03:38.03 | Miravlix | Isn't that bad enough? |
| 03:38.14 | Miravlix | WoW is down in EU for extended maint |
| 03:38.35 | Iriel | That sucks for EU folks 8-( |
| 03:39.05 | Iriel | Unless you're getting 1.10 early |
| 03:39.21 | Miravlix | Don't know what it is, but I always get a codeing itch at server down, I desperately try to scratch it before the server throws me out, never managing to finish. |
| 03:39.39 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Ktron (i=khamer@student2a-64.unh.edu) |
| 03:39.44 | Iriel | Isn't that always the way, the best ideas at the worst times |
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| 03:40.08 | Ktron | gah, closed the tab, lost the past bit of convos |
| 03:40.24 | Miravlix | Using /script stuff at 0:15 seconds left to test things |
| 03:41.26 | Miravlix | Aah, well my GnomeWarriorRacialOrTrinket() function is pretty good now, except it doesn't work, but thats a detail. |
| 03:42.13 | Iriel | A fairly major detail, however |
| 03:42.42 | Miravlix | It works most of the time, but every now and then it fluffs and doesn't detect any effects. |
| 03:43.50 | Miravlix | The code is super simple: ala string.find(texture, UnitDebuff(unit, #) ) then use our darn trinket |
| 03:44.15 | Miravlix | But sometimes the check just fails to catch any effects. |
| 03:44.37 | Miravlix | Is UnitDebuff not guarenteed to always work? |
| 03:44.45 | Iriel | Hm, logic error terminating the loop early? |
| 03:51.03 | Miravlix | http://cosmosui.pastebin.com/615565 |
| 03:52.31 | Miravlix | http://cosmosui.pastebin.com/615567 |
| 03:53.27 | Miravlix | I used to just use UnitDebuff haven't tested it with GetPlayerBuff the code pasted there was written after the server went down mostly. :p |
| 03:53.55 | Iriel | You forgot to define 'unit' |
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| 03:54.19 | Iriel | so if someone declares a global 'unit' to a value other than 'target' it'll fail |
| 03:56.41 | Miravlix | Naah, my unit is local scope to the function |
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| 03:57.12 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 03:58.04 | Miravlix | I am a C++ programmer though, maybe my scope logic isn't completely lua compatible yet, but when I do local variable I sure don't expect global variable to interfer with it |
| 03:58.18 | Iriel | I dont see 'local unit' in the code you pasted |
| 03:58.21 | Iriel | did I just miss it? |
| 03:58.31 | Miravlix | It's automatic because it's a function argument |
| 03:58.38 | Iriel | No, it's not |
| 03:58.46 | Iriel | (a function argument, that is) |
| 03:58.48 | Esamynn | chuckle |
| 03:58.55 | Iriel | http://cosmosui.pastebin.com/615565 |
| 03:58.59 | Iriel | See for yourself |
| 04:00.51 | Miravlix | heh, no wonder the damn thing worked like hell |
| 04:00.59 | Esamynn | lol |
| 04:01.17 | Miravlix | Sometime during development the line local unit = "player" disappered |
| 04:01.36 | Esamynn | don't you hate it when that happens? |
| 04:02.12 | Miravlix | I was testing so I had local unit = "target" in a dev version earlier and must have wiped the line forgetting about it. |
| 04:02.36 | Miravlix | And the confusion is due to me using unit as a function parameter in the findDebuff function |
| 04:04.08 | Miravlix | There is prolly a million addons that set unit = "something" globaly |
| 04:04.51 | Miravlix | So it kinda worked when someone near me was effected with the same debuff as I was checking for, like party member being novaed as I was. |
| 04:05.42 | Esamynn | got a question, since I don't have access to the game at the moment, can you do something like: <FontString name="$parentTitleText" inherits="GameFontNormal" text="GROUPHEAL.CONFIG_HEALREPORTING_TITLE"> Note the . or will the XML interpreter just choke on the . and use the variable name as the text? |
| 04:06.05 | Iriel | I dont know, i've not tried it |
| 04:06.10 | Iriel | I think you've got 50/50 odds |
| 04:06.34 | Esamynn | yah, thats my guess too |
| 04:06.47 | Miravlix | It will always be a string when you put it in ""'s |
| 04:07.15 | Esamynn | not in the XML it won't, the interpreter checks for a variable of the same name and uses it's value if it is a string |
| 04:07.28 | Iriel | If you're unlucky it just gets passed to getglobal |
| 04:08.11 | Esamynn | I have a funny feeling it does, which would be a tad annoying, but guess I'll have to wait and test it |
| 04:08.13 | Miravlix | Yeah just realiced it wasn't normal code, but XML doh. |
| 04:08.22 | Esamynn | ~lart Miravlix |
| 04:08.50 | Esamynn | pay attention silly ;) |
| 04:09.31 | Miravlix | Think I'm going back to more obfuscated local variable names. :p |
| 04:10.13 | Miravlix | That error could have taken me months to find, because I just can't see that local unit = "player" is missing, because I know it's there. |
| 04:10.21 | Esamynn | I'm just busy optimizing my code, been meaning to make it more efficient for a while now |
| 04:11.01 | Esamynn | already cut out a bunch of unneeded garbage as well as repeated calls to GetSpellTexture |
| 04:11.05 | Miravlix | Thats all I ever do hack others code. |
| 04:11.43 | Esamynn | heh, I don't have many AddOns that have I haven't tweeked in some fashion |
| 04:12.20 | Miravlix | Yeah, I'm considering asking the new Cosmos.exe author to add a auto put new addons into local SVN. |
| 04:15.50 | Miravlix | Revision Control System gotta be the number one programming tool in the world. |
| 04:17.09 | Miravlix | Anyone got anything interesting to break now Iriel has fixed my code? |
| 04:17.24 | Miravlix | Totally ruined my night, now I have nothing to do. |
| 04:17.49 | Esamynn | you could log onto the game and test my XML question for me... :) |
| 04:18.09 | Miravlix | I'm EU, we are down for Extended Maintenance. |
| 04:19.08 | Miravlix | And my definition of an XML file is <UI> <Frame name="xxx"> </Frame> </UI> |
| 04:19.16 | Esamynn | lol |
| 04:19.30 | Esamynn | Extended Maintenance, for what? |
| 04:19.34 | Miravlix | Anything more is insane bloat. |
| 04:19.51 | Miravlix | no idea, guess they need more porn movies? |
| 04:19.58 | Tain | Nah, you can add an Inherets tag, that's ok. |
| 04:20.14 | Esamynn | you don't like XML I take it? |
| 04:20.50 | Miravlix | XML is for making Graphical User Interfaces, I don't do that. |
| 04:21.13 | Miravlix | So it's not really XML thats the problem, but what it's used for. |
| 04:21.58 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 04:22.00 | Miravlix | And GUI's is fine if someone else code them. |
| 04:22.16 | Esamynn | ahh I see |
| 04:22.28 | Miravlix | It's just my C++ roots, certain things is inside black boxes and I don't care whats inside. |
| 04:23.36 | Miravlix | And I'm lying actually, I did my first XML a little while ago, had to add an extra field to Earth to support Blizzards UnitIsOnQuest() |
| 04:24.48 | Tain | It's really just a matter of preference of medium. I for one am more comfortable coding in Lua than using XML. |
| 04:25.09 | Tain | No matter what the purpose for it is (GUI or not.) |
| 04:25.58 | Iriel | A decent schema-aware editor can make much of the pain of XML go away |
| 04:26.30 | Miravlix | It seems like it's a fine system, but my brainbox storage area has limited space and there just isn't room for learning XML. |
| 04:27.36 | Miravlix | Funny though, I'm at the same time saying an addon without a GUI is a useless addon. |
| 04:28.36 | Tain | And I say an addon with an unecesary gui is ... unecessary. |
| 04:28.37 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 04:28.40 | Miravlix | Life is to short for remembering slash commands |
| 04:28.58 | Tain | Life is too short to wait for GUI windows to render. |
| 04:29.19 | Miravlix | They are all instant around here. |
| 04:29.35 | Miravlix | Never seen a addon with a GUI that takes time, is that even possible? |
| 04:29.38 | Esamynn | for simple things anyways, any detailed configuration should have a GUI |
| 04:29.53 | Tain | Uh. Yes |
| 04:30.31 | Tain | And I say any detailed GUI configuration should have corresponding slash commands. |
| 04:30.40 | Tain | Of course I know I'm in the minority. |
| 04:30.44 | Tain | But I still say it. |
| 04:31.29 | Tain | Now when all GUIs are in Lua created windows that I never have to let soil my system space if I don't want to, then it'll be ok. |
| 04:31.36 | Esamynn | so you can macro different sets of settings you mean? |
| 04:31.44 | Miravlix | I started using DOS 20 years or more ago, had a brief run with OS/2 that was my first GUI OS, then I went to Linux. |
| 04:32.12 | Miravlix | But I really don't think knowing the 20K+ command on my linux command line makes life that much better. |
| 04:32.45 | Tain | That's why we all have different opinions! |
| 04:33.01 | Tain | And why the hell do you need to macro different sets of settings? Are people suddenly goign to stop using savevars? |
| 04:33.26 | Miravlix | Different setting pr. char |
| 04:33.31 | Miravlix | I use it with BuffBot |
| 04:33.58 | Miravlix | If I'm solo or in a team, depending on situationa nd who else is around I need different settings |
| 04:34.53 | JoshBorke | rajaxx > us |
| 04:35.04 | JoshBorke | ( Tain ): i agree with you |
| 04:35.05 | Tain | Oh. Yeah that comes in handy, I use Ace's profile system for that (with Ace mods anyway.) |
| 04:35.18 | Esamynn | no, I was just wondering why you think all GUI configurations should have slash commands available |
| 04:36.01 | Tain | So that I can configure specific settings I know I want to configure without having to use a GUI. |
| 04:36.23 | Tain | For example, Monkeyquest is a good example. Almost (if not every) setting you can set with the GUI you can also set with a slash command. |
| 04:36.29 | Tain | And I don't have to install the MonkeyLib gui stuff. |
| 04:36.30 | Miravlix | With profilers, you just select a profile |
| 04:36.46 | Esamynn | ahh, I see |
| 04:37.21 | Miravlix | But remembering 10-20 slash commands for 165 addons thats just a waist of life. |
| 04:37.27 | Tain | When I know a command it's always faster for me to type it than to bring up the GUI and find it. |
| 04:37.42 | Tain | Playing a game is a waste of life as well. |
| 04:37.47 | Miravlix | 10-20 slash command pr. addon |
| 04:37.48 | Tain | It's all in how we choose to waste our lives. |
| 04:37.50 | Miravlix | No |
| 04:38.12 | Miravlix | There is something you have misunderstod in the value of MMORPGS. |
| 04:38.18 | Tain | hahah |
| 04:38.23 | Tain | I can assure you that is not the case. |
| 04:39.11 | Miravlix | It has value for society that people have fun. |
| 04:39.20 | JoshBorke | ( Miravlix ): that's what /<addon> help is for :D (remembering the slash commands for you) |
| 04:39.24 | Miravlix | The better people feel the better people are. |
| 04:39.49 | Miravlix | The more productive they will be at work, dealing with there wife or kids, etc. |
| 04:40.12 | Miravlix | I'm deadly serious here, reading a book, playing a game, taking a walk in the park does have *REAL* value |
| 04:40.33 | Tain | Everything has real value, depending on what you value. |
| 04:40.42 | Tain | It's entirely subjective. |
| 04:41.12 | Miravlix | No, we know enough about the human psycoligy these days, to know that we need certain things. |
| 04:41.20 | Tain | For example I value the amusement I get watching other people get so worked up about a game. |
| 04:42.18 | Miravlix | It doesn't have to be a MMORPG, there is many other so called useless activies that provides the same value to the human mind. |
| 04:42.22 | Tain | And what we know about human psychology today is likely to be laughed at by the next generation of people who know about human psychology. |
| 04:42.51 | Tain | But you're placing your definition now on what is useful and what is useless. |
| 04:43.02 | Miravlix | It's the so called Quality of Life. |
| 04:43.10 | Tain | Which is different for everyone. |
| 04:43.34 | Miravlix | Just going to work every day does not provide you with enough of a QoL factor. |
| 04:44.07 | Tain | That's an absolutely unfounded generalization that does not apply across the board. |
| 04:45.04 | Tain | I know what you're trying to say, that people need a balance between work, home, family, etc. etc., but that's all completely dependant on the individual how much of any of those things they need to be happy. |
| 04:45.14 | Miravlix | It's scientific studies, we design our goverment and society structure around these concepts. |
| 04:45.51 | Tain | So it's obvious that it isn't an exact science since neither our government nor society are, "perfect." |
| 04:46.07 | clad|sleep | WatchDog 1.20 has been released for those who use it. Check it out and portal it up me =) |
| 04:46.13 | Tain | Yay WatchDog! |
| 04:46.20 | clad|sleep | And no more sleep releasing addons for me. Bedtime = |
| 04:46.29 | clad|sleep | Tain: WatchDog with StickyFrames AND AceHooks =) |
| 04:46.29 | clad|sleep | lol |
| 04:46.43 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 04:46.49 | Cairenn | sweet dreams |
| 04:48.31 | Esamynn | night clad |
| 04:52.04 | Miravlix | Anyone written an 1.10 error handler yet? |
| 04:52.33 | Iriel | they're broken |
| 04:52.45 | Iriel | Legorol wrote one |
| 04:52.51 | Miravlix | I'm as excited as a pig in mud about that feature, but I haven't had time to play with it. |
| 04:52.58 | Ktron | Alright, so I've got a sneaky project I'd like to pull off |
| 04:53.10 | Esamynn | uh oh |
| 04:53.15 | Miravlix | What kind of broken? |
| 04:54.01 | Iriel | Disables all 'unhookable' methods broken |
| 04:54.04 | Iriel | i.e. you can't move |
| 04:54.13 | Cairenn | what kind of sneaky? |
| 04:54.33 | Esamynn | eww, thats an ugly sort of broken |
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| 04:55.03 | Ktron | Miravlix tried to help me with this earlier, but I think I lost a point or two... I want to be able to 'get' the action associated with a button, and 'set' the action associated with a button |
| 04:55.03 | Iriel | I suspect the fix is in whatever patch/build we get next |
| 04:55.03 | Miravlix | You can't recover from a hook gone bad then? |
| 04:55.37 | Miravlix | You can't set actionbuttons without Flexbaring and creating your own? |
| 04:56.16 | Iriel | Ktron : Within the normal constraints I take it? |
| 04:56.25 | Iriel | i.e. you can only 'set' spells you know, and items you have already |
| 04:57.14 | Ktron | Iriel, oh, of course |
| 04:57.30 | Esamynn | to what end? |
| 04:57.38 | Ktron | Miravlix, I'm thinking I should be able to write a macro to do the rotation, so I can use it with any bar |
| 04:57.58 | Ktron | Esamynn, I want to set up a way to 'swap' or 'rotate' actions on buttons |
| 04:58.15 | Ktron | made a way to copy actions from button(s) to others |
| 04:58.27 | Miravlix | Lets say ActionButton 1 is set to Attack |
| 04:58.43 | Miravlix | I can read it but what API call is there to set it? |
| 04:59.01 | Miravlix | Now we want it to be shoot wand instead. |
| 04:59.08 | Iriel | You'd have to pick up a spell, and drop it on the action |
| 04:59.14 | Tain | If you just want to shuffle things around the easiest way is PickupAction(k) PlaceAction(v) |
| 04:59.30 | Ktron | Tain-- can you 'duplicate' that way or no? |
| 04:59.43 | Tain | Nope |
| 04:59.57 | Miravlix | You would have to pickup the same from the spellbook? |
| 05:00.04 | Miravlix | Or Macro book. |
| 05:00.54 | Ktron | I might look into pickup and place, that should let me swap actions |
| 05:01.08 | Tain | You can easily swap that way. |
| 05:01.35 | Ktron | But I was curious to whether there's a way to copy too-- say I wanted my first action bar to be copied to my second, or such |
| 05:02.04 | Ktron | mabye a way to pick up a skill/spell by name |
| 05:02.06 | Tain | PickupAction(1) PlaceAction(2) PlaceAction(1) will swap what's in buttons 1 and 2. |
| 05:02.22 | Iriel | You can pickup spells by ID |
| 05:02.28 | Iriel | so you can write a pickup by name function |
| 05:02.46 | Ktron | And I assume there's a way to get the ID of a spell on a button |
| 05:03.04 | Ktron | something like GetSpellID(GetAction(slot)) |
| 05:03.06 | Iriel | Tooltip scanning, I think 8-) |
| 05:04.42 | Miravlix | GetActionTexture |
| 05:04.53 | Miravlix | Then search spellbook for texture is my take on it. |
| 05:05.18 | Ktron | blech |
| 05:05.36 | Ktron | Why wouldn't they have a 'GetSpellID()' function? |
| 05:06.25 | Iriel | Same reason tehre's no GetActionName function |
| 05:06.28 | Iriel | the standard UI doesn't need it |
| 05:06.50 | Ktron | where those ever requested? |
| 05:06.55 | Iriel | Yes |
| 05:07.04 | Iriel | Since we can get them easily from a tooltip, it's not been granted |
| 05:07.41 | Esamynn | So, I finally got around to getting an editor that could do syntax highlighting for Lua, now I'm smacking myself for not doing it a year ago |
| 05:07.50 | Ktron | So, you get the tooltip for an action button, than scan the tooltip for the ID? |
| 05:07.55 | Iriel | Esamynn : Heh 8-) Does it do indentation too? |
| 05:08.08 | Iriel | Ktron : You scan the tooltip for the name, then find the spell with that name |
| 05:08.31 | Ktron | So you loop through IDs until you get a match on spellnames? |
| 05:08.32 | Tain | Does it also have inline Lua function help popups? :) |
| 05:08.39 | Esamynn | The old one maintained the current indention (it wasn't that primative) :P |
| 05:10.41 | Miravlix | Whats all the API functions needed to check if there is any effect on the Cursor? |
| 05:11.18 | Esamynn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization <-- don't make me link it again :P |
| 05:11.19 | Miravlix | CursorHasItem() CursorHasMoney() CursorHasSpell()/SpellIsTargeting() thats all the cursor modes? |
| 05:11.23 | Iriel | CursorHasItem, CursorHasMoney, CursorHasSpell |
| 05:11.31 | Iriel | Repair? |
| 05:11.39 | Iriel | InRepairMode() |
| 05:11.46 | ckknight | -+ |
| 05:11.50 | ckknight | whoops |
| 05:11.54 | Esamynn | heh |
| 05:12.00 | Miravlix | Oh yes need that one too. |
| 05:12.06 | Iriel | Esamynn : I mean automatic indentation, like, you can just highlight a block and indent it properly |
| 05:12.07 | Esamynn | Miravlix: don't mind me ;) |
| 05:12.23 | Miravlix | Mind who? |
| 05:12.25 | Esamynn | nah, unfortunately not :( |
| 05:12.37 | Esamynn | what editor do you use? |
| 05:13.08 | Iriel | Emacs |
| 05:13.11 | Miravlix | Emacs lua mode has support for marking a marked region as commented out |
| 05:13.16 | Iriel | (witrh lua-mode and nxml-mode) |
| 05:13.27 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 05:13.33 | Miravlix | We use the same then. :) |
| 05:14.12 | Iriel | Miravlix : Do you have a .rnc file for UI.xsd? |
| 05:14.13 | Miravlix | What tabbing does your lua-mode have? I've tried to hack mine to use real 8 char tabs, but it just laughed at me. |
| 05:14.28 | Esamynn | lol |
| 05:14.35 | Miravlix | I just use plain xEmacs |
| 05:15.22 | Iriel | Miravlix : Use nxml-mode, and I can give you a converted schema, then you get tab completion in XML files |
| 05:15.29 | Iriel | Miravlix : As for lua mode, by default it's 3 chars |
| 05:15.49 | Miravlix | I want tabs, makes the files smaller, 1 char instead of 3 |
| 05:16.18 | Miravlix | But I dont grog lisp all that well. |
| 05:16.44 | Esamynn | I really don't like it when indenting is done with spaces, when you do it with tabs the user can always adjust the indentation levels, but not with spaces |
| 05:18.34 | Iriel | I just have my editor take care of it |
| 05:19.48 | Iriel | Miravlix : Stick this in your .emacs file |
| 05:19.57 | JoshBorke | what's the number of channels you can be in? |
| 05:19.58 | Iriel | Miravlix : (setq lua-indent-level 8) |
| 05:20.07 | Esamynn | 10 |
| 05:20.09 | Esamynn | anyone have the game open at the moment who might test something for me? |
| 05:20.19 | JoshBorke | i have one open |
| 05:20.20 | Miravlix | That I did, then it laughed at me and did 3 spaces. :p |
| 05:20.20 | Iriel | I do |
| 05:20.28 | Iriel | Miravlix : In your .emacs? |
| 05:20.32 | Iriel | Miravlix : Did it run properly? |
| 05:20.44 | Miravlix | Oh wait I edited the lua-mode.el and compiled it |
| 05:22.11 | Miravlix | Woot it works when you do it in the right place. |
| 05:22.24 | Esamynn | If you do: <FontString name="$parentTitleText" inherits="GameFontNormal" text="TABLE.ENTRY_KEY"> where TABLE = {ENTRY_KEY ="some text"}, I want to know what the FontString will display |
| 05:22.53 | Esamynn | does it display "some text" or "TABLE.ENTRY_KEY" |
| 05:23.23 | Miravlix | So what next Iriel, can you balance my checkbook? |
| 05:23.35 | Miravlix | Your solving all my problems today. :9 |
| 05:23.37 | Miravlix | :) |
| 05:23.44 | Esamynn | ~cheeseslap Miravlix |
| 05:23.46 | purl | ACTION slaps Miravlix around with a slice of gouda |
| 05:24.29 | Miravlix | CursorHasSpell() is not the same as SpellIsTargeting()? |
| 05:24.41 | Esamynn | no |
| 05:24.56 | Miravlix | What about pickupAction, do we need to check for macros? |
| 05:24.56 | Iriel | Esamynn : Sadly that'd make me log out, which I can't do right now 8-( |
| 05:25.02 | Esamynn | one the cursor is holding an action, the other, a spell is in casing mode |
| 05:25.47 | Esamynn | Iriel: what? you don't have a little test AddOn in your addon folder for that kind of stuff? SHAME! |
| 05:26.19 | Iriel | I do, but my environment's pointing at test right now, and i'm playing on live |
| 05:26.30 | Esamynn | ahh, ok |
| 05:26.46 | Esamynn | Josh? ;) |
| 05:27.05 | Miravlix | Hmm, I can't detect if a PickupMacro(index) is in effect? |
| 05:30.03 | Iriel | I can see a need for a /monitor addon |
| 05:30.04 | Iriel | you can do |
| 05:30.17 | Iriel | . /monitor SpellIsTargeting() |
| 05:30.32 | Iriel | Then it'll pop up a little window showing the output of the function, updated OnUpdate |
| 05:31.09 | Iriel | Maybe when I revise DevTools next |
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| 05:33.52 | Miravlix | Interesting bit of code, you will be hooking SpellIsTargeting()? |
| 05:35.09 | Iriel | I'd just call it regularly and display the result |
| 05:35.54 | Miravlix | Think my dev tool need a /hook Function to add debug information about when it's called. |
| 05:36.23 | Iriel | Hard to do properly in a garbage-free way |
| 05:36.26 | MentalPower | well I'm out, goodnight folks |
| 05:36.36 | Miravlix | It's a dev tool, garbage is fine. |
| 05:36.41 | Iriel | gnight MP |
| 05:37.20 | Miravlix | besides I'm to lazy to code /hook up I would just make a tempalte I edit and do /reload :) |
| 05:37.57 | Miravlix | MP wait |
| 05:38.20 | Cairenn | night guys, I'm out |
| 05:38.42 | Miravlix | Doh, I just noticed I forgot ShowInspectCursor() support in the Auctioneer dressing room update. |
| 05:39.41 | Esamynn | you get "TABLE.ENTRY_KEY" :( |
| 05:39.47 | Esamynn | oh well |
| 05:39.59 | Iriel | Esamynn : Next - Find out WHEN it resolves the symbol |
| 05:40.06 | Iriel | Esamynn : Maybe you can just clean up the globals afterwards |
| 05:41.10 | Esamynn | meh, I might not even bother cleaning up the globals, not as if they are taking up much extra space |
| 05:41.22 | Miravlix | Thank god for memoserv, atleast it don't have the silly sleeping habbits of humanoids |
| 05:41.51 | Iriel | Define them all as getfenv(0)["TABLE.ENTRY_KEY"] = "Entry Key" |
| 05:41.59 | Iriel | Then people wont accidently run into them |
| 05:43.30 | Iriel | That's a half-serious suggestion, by the way |
| 05:43.57 | Esamynn | basically I'm setting up localization, so I'll just pull the strings out of the table into the global variables after the localization of the STRINGS table has been done |
| 05:44.23 | Iriel | Another solutions is to iterate over your frames when you're done and fix them all up based on your table |
| 05:44.30 | Esamynn | true |
| 05:45.12 | Esamynn | oh well, we'll see what I do about it, not going to decide tonight, something to sleep on |
| 05:48.40 | Esamynn | hmm, maybe a script that did getfenv(0)["TABLE.ENTRY_KEY"] = "Entry Key" for all values in the STRINGS table and I can clean them up later, the text must be resolved when the FontString is created |
| 05:48.55 | Esamynn | I'm liking that idea more and more |
| 05:49.20 | Iriel | It MIGHT be resolved on P_E_W |
| 05:49.37 | Esamynn | yah, that's true, I'll have to test that |
| 05:53.07 | Miravlix | One of those days, I've done some of my best codeing, by not being able to play WoW. o.O |
| 05:54.04 | Esamynn | yah, i'm for more productive coding wise when i'm late to a Raid and i'm left sitting outside ;) |
| 05:54.33 | Esamynn | for = far |
| 05:55.07 | Esamynn | darn it, I forgot the bot syntax for that... :( |
| 05:55.19 | Miravlix | I changed to a RP-PVP server, in my application to the guild I said I might you some or a lot of time on codeing addons. |
| 05:55.34 | Miravlix | s/RP-PVP/PVP-RP/ |
| 05:55.39 | Miravlix | It's perl syntax |
| 05:55.58 | Esamynn | <-- does not know any Perl at all |
| 05:56.08 | Miravlix | s/might you/might use/ |
| 05:56.19 | Miravlix | Aww, I only get one correction. :p |
| 05:56.29 | ckknight | perl is ugly |
| 05:56.34 | Miravlix | I've used s/ / for years |
| 05:56.48 | ckknight | it's also sed syntax |
| 05:56.50 | Miravlix | Took me a while to figure out wtf purl keept being an ass for |
| 05:59.11 | Esamynn | I've seen some Perl, it IS ugly |
| 05:59.40 | Miravlix | Perl is beautiful so is lua, when written by a programmer. :p |
| 06:00.31 | Esamynn | I don't know, from what I've heard it's an awful hack of a hack of a hack of a...... but that's just hearsay |
| 06:00.40 | Esamynn | ~perl |
| 06:00.41 | purl | well, perl is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language |
| 06:00.52 | Miravlix | It's a scripting language, they can be raped badly |
| 06:01.09 | Tain | Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. |
| 06:01.18 | Esamynn | well said Tain |
| 06:01.50 | ckknight | it is much easier to write ugly code in Perl than in other languages |
| 06:02.01 | Tain | Oh no it isn't. |
| 06:02.13 | ckknight | oh? |
| 06:02.20 | Tain | Any hack can be bad with anylanguage. |
| 06:02.29 | Tain | Perl isn't special in that regard by any means. |
| 06:03.22 | Esamynn | well, coming from an outsider, one of the things perl does that I really don't like is the way you have to prefix all variables with a symbol to denote their type |
| 06:03.37 | ckknight | yea, I don't like that |
| 06:03.42 | ckknight | so many dollar signs... |
| 06:04.01 | Esamynn | and that it will use any variable as any type, regardless of what it actually is |
| 06:04.23 | Tain | That's just... . Yeah on second though, goodnight. |
| 06:04.35 | Iriel | Well, the latter can be handy for references |
| 06:04.52 | Iriel | But $wibble and @wibble and %wibble are 3 entirely separate variables |
| 06:05.25 | Esamynn | are they? I thought they were the same variable, just interpreted as different types |
| 06:05.34 | Iriel | no, theyre different |
| 06:05.56 | Iriel | Now, %$wibble is a hash dereference of $wibble, and @$wibble is a list dereference of $wibble |
| 06:06.16 | Iriel | At that point I start using {}'s just so I can read it properly afterwards (i.e. %{$wibble} |
| 06:06.26 | JoshBorke | ew, you're talking about perl |
| 06:06.38 | Esamynn | ahh, I see |
| 06:07.01 | Miravlix | PHP, Perl, Lua, isn't it mostly the same. |
| 06:07.02 | Iriel | I love perl for small things |
| 06:07.06 | Esamynn | I've been listening to a Perl hater for a couple months now (or at least he loves dumping on the language) |
| 06:07.16 | JoshBorke | and $@wibble is the scalar reprensations of @wibble! |
| 06:07.20 | Iriel | Once a project gets beyond a certain size I usually feel more comfortable in a different language |
| 06:07.23 | JoshBorke | well, actually it gives me the size :D |
| 06:07.49 | Miravlix | Yeah, people tend to forget scripting languages is for scripting not writing full fledged programs. |
| 06:08.07 | Esamynn | yep |
| 06:08.13 | Miravlix | But look at the most advanced addons, they are nice to have. |
| 06:08.27 | Miravlix | Even if they are way beyond what a script should do. |
| 06:08.29 | Iriel | I'd be inclined to use lua for full-sized applications if I had an environment where it fit |
| 06:08.32 | Esamynn | Lua you could mistake for a full fledged language though ;) |
| 06:09.00 | Miravlix | if it had some enforced syntax. :p |
| 06:09.12 | Iriel | Perls' packages get close, but they never seemed enough |
| 06:09.19 | Miravlix | But that I can write the same line in 30 different ways make it messy |
| 06:09.51 | Esamynn | I think of that as more a matter of coding discipline |
| 06:10.11 | Miravlix | Yes, but scripters seldom has that dicipline. |
| 06:10.43 | Wobin_ | skriptkiddiez |
| 06:10.45 | Miravlix | Thats why they are scripters and not programmers, it's easier to script. |
| 06:12.41 | Miravlix | I come with my 30 lbs structured programming book and ppl look at me like I was drinking out of the toilet. |
| 06:12.50 | Miravlix | I am but only in privat when no one can see. |
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| 06:16.58 | Esamynn | ever hear of Ada Miravlix, now there is a language that is verbose in the extreme, it was designed for Readability |
| 06:20.42 | Miravlix | Yeah, but learning all those symbols. |
| 06:21.16 | Esamynn | heh, yah |
| 06:21.19 | Miravlix | I had a friend that learned it many years ago, but I looked at it once and went and coded in C for hours. |
| 06:21.53 | Miravlix | That was just too scary |
| 06:21.53 | Esamynn | hahaha |
| 06:22.00 | Esamynn | its is VERY VERBOSE |
| 06:22.44 | Miravlix | I've missed out on Cobolt, Ada, Pascal and all those, I went straight to C. |
| 06:23.26 | Iriel | Forth? PostScript? |
| 06:23.27 | Iriel | Those are fun |
| 06:23.29 | Esamynn | heh, I've done very little C++ (or C). I don't think i've touched it since I took the C++ at my university, done a lot of Java |
| 06:24.24 | Miravlix | Been a hobby of mine to code C and C++ since I was 14, never got serious with it, it was more a tool to learn how things really worked. |
| 06:24.25 | Esamynn | brb, switching comps |
| 06:25.17 | Iriel | I'm jealous of kids these days, all these great free environments and languages, and cheap computers |
| 06:25.57 | Miravlix | hehe, yeah, but we where Pioneers |
| 06:26.27 | krka | yeah, i actually bought a copy of turbo pascal when i was a kid :/ |
| 06:26.30 | Miravlix | Was fun back when we had to get our first computer insured, the insurance man had no idea how to deal with a computer in a private home. |
| 06:26.34 | Iriel | I remember when I finally 'got' assembly language, that moment it clicked. |
| 06:27.31 | Iriel | And the day I got introduced to C |
| 06:27.40 | Iriel | Well, in that case, the NIGHT I got introduced to C |
| 06:27.58 | Miravlix | I never learned Assembler, to low level, since I was never into the platform I used. |
| 06:27.59 | Iriel | I went to bed after going to the bookstore when it opened in the morning and pickingup a reference book |
| 06:28.17 | Iriel | Modern assembler is probably too machine-compile-oriented to be fun |
| 06:28.39 | Iriel | Back in the 8-bit days it was completely understandable without years of research |
| 06:28.47 | Miravlix | Assembler is something you use inline in the Kernel source for platform optimization. :) |
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| 06:29.35 | Esamynn | there we go |
| 06:29.43 | krka | is it really more difficult to learn assembly today? |
| 06:29.47 | Miravlix | And the fact learning Assembler actually takes some effort. :p |
| 06:29.54 | krka | only difference is more opcodes, right? |
| 06:29.55 | Iriel | Miravlix : And even then, only when the compiler does a bad job first |
| 06:30.03 | Iriel | More opcodes, MUCH more complex processors |
| 06:30.14 | Iriel | to do it WELL requires a far greater understanding of the whole machine architecture |
| 06:30.21 | krka | hm... true enough... pipelines and stuff |
| 06:30.26 | Iriel | 6502 had 3 registers |
| 06:30.38 | Iriel | None of this fancy multi-pipeline stuff |
| 06:30.50 | Iriel | No floating point, no alignment issues 8-) |
| 06:31.09 | Iriel | things took whole numbers of clock cycles |
| 06:32.13 | Iriel | I rather miss that actually. |
| 06:33.18 | Iriel | Not having hard drives back then sucked too |
| 06:33.31 | Esamynn | you are OLD Iriel. ;) |
| 06:33.36 | Esamynn | j/k |
| 06:33.51 | Iriel | I feel it when I see folks talking about doing C++ at 14 8-) |
| 06:34.04 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 06:34.05 | Miravlix | No C at 14 |
| 06:34.11 | Miravlix | C++ wasn't invented yet |
| 06:34.49 | Iriel | I've had lunch with Bjarne Stroustrup (and a few others, at that time), that's my claim to C++ fame |
| 06:34.50 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 06:34.55 | Miravlix | Bjarne didn't get aroud to that until much later |
| 06:34.56 | Esamynn | ok, how about this then, when I started university, 4.5 years ago, the first year programming course wasn't in C++ anymore, it was in Java |
| 06:35.04 | Codayus | Assembler classes seem to all teach asm for some embedded chip - simple enough that undergrads can get their heads around it... |
| 06:35.18 | Codayus | (In my fairly limited experience, anyhow.) |
| 06:35.28 | Miravlix | I don't recall if I ever personally meet Bjarne. |
| 06:35.32 | Codayus | Makes sense...doesn't help you too much in the Real World(tm) though. |
| 06:35.38 | Miravlix | s/meet/met/ |
| 06:35.48 | Esamynn | Codayus, thats what they do at my school too |
| 06:36.16 | Miravlix | Assembler for embeded chip is really where is shines these days |
| 06:36.58 | Codayus | Yeah, I guess...although, hmm, the only person I personally know working on embedded stuff does everything in C. <shrug> |
| 06:37.12 | Iriel | C and C++ are usually fine for most embedded work |
| 06:37.28 | Iriel | Hell, even java shows up in embedded computing, I have a java single board computer around here somewhere |
| 06:37.30 | Codayus | Working on, hmmm, gigbit microwave radios, IIRC. |
| 06:37.44 | Miravlix | Linux for the Palm! |
| 06:38.00 | Codayus | Iriel: Yeah, those always amuse me. I mean, the concept is fine, but...java...embedded... It just seems wrong! |
| 06:38.25 | Esamynn | yah, Java wasn't ment for that |
| 06:38.33 | Iriel | It's pretty cool actually, it runs a couple of threads, but has no GC |
| 06:38.47 | Iriel | Java was initially developed for a set-top-box project |
| 06:38.52 | Iriel | and then kinda grew from there |
| 06:39.05 | Codayus | And grew...and grew...and grew.... :-D |
| 06:39.32 | Iriel | Gosling once (or possibly more than once) described it as "we had a money spigot" they could open it and funding came out |
| 06:39.51 | Esamynn | lol |
| 06:40.11 | Iriel | the glory days of Sun Microsystems |
| 06:40.24 | Iriel | My university was a sun shop, so I've always felt some loyalty to them |
| 06:40.38 | Iriel | Plus some incredibly smart people work(ed) there |
| 06:40.48 | Esamynn | yep |
| 06:40.59 | Codayus | When I started, the comp sci dept had all Suns - mmm, lovely sparc stations. So shiny. |
| 06:41.26 | Codayus | Year after I transferred to another school, they ripped them all out, and rolled out...Red Hat Linux. oO |
| 06:41.31 | Esamynn | there are still about a dozen sun unix machines in my CS lab |
| 06:41.44 | Iriel | When I started, the graphics capable machines were for 3rd year students only |
| 06:41.57 | Iriel | By the time I left, pretty much anyone could get on a color workstation |
| 06:42.04 | Codayus | lol |
| 06:42.08 | Iriel | (That's just a 3 year degree timeframe too) |
| 06:42.26 | Iriel | I actually dont mind tho, experiencing the joys of text-only access makes you appreciate unix more, IMHO |
| 06:42.53 | Codayus | The place I'm at now has a couple labs of Sparcs and a bunch of REALLY REALLY expensive thin clients in the library. |
| 06:43.32 | Codayus | Unfortunatly, they don't seem to have a single person with a clue about them, and they're horribly malconfigured. :-/ |
| 06:44.10 | Esamynn | hmm, test server update, when did that come out? |
| 06:44.20 | Iriel | Sun's thin client things? |
| 06:44.24 | Iriel | Or some other tech? |
| 06:44.45 | Codayus | I have no idea why the hell spashed out on the thin clients. Horrible waste of cash given the situation. Still, have to admire them. |
| 06:44.50 | Codayus | Yeah, Sun thin clients. |
| 06:44.58 | Miravlix | This is just crazy |
| 06:44.59 | Miravlix | http://fidonet.sensationcontent.com/echomail/public_domain/d49dff1b9c2635bf.html |
| 06:45.03 | Miravlix | This is oooooooooold. |
| 06:45.20 | Iriel | I saw a tech demo of them when they were 'new', they were pretty cool, but kept crashingtheir server |
| 06:45.24 | Codayus | With associated big Sun iron in the basement. I'll try and find a link to a pic - they're really nice. |
| 06:46.36 | Codayus | But barely functional on a GOOD day, and badly set up. |
| 06:46.43 | Iriel | How about this: http://haven.stanford.edu/~thad/strange/telnetlist.html |
| 06:46.57 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.02 | Codayus | LOL |
| 06:47.02 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.09 | Iriel | That was my talk program, from university |
| 06:48.34 | Esamynn | sigh, the downloader for the lastest test patch isn't working, I think the tracking server is down or something :( |
| 06:48.56 | Iriel | Esamynn : Maybe the patch was JUST pushed? |
| 06:49.02 | Esamynn | possibly |
| 06:49.31 | Esamynn | it already gave me an error once saying the tracker wasn't responding |
| 06:51.58 | Miravlix | I'm glad not more of my old FidoNet history is on the net. :) |
| 06:52.27 | Iriel | Miravlix : I'm constantly surprised by how much stuff made it onto today's internet |
| 06:52.53 | Iriel | That document I linked is funny because it proves I was using my 8-) smily back in '91: "Okey dokey, You're in... 8-)" (It's at the very bottom of the document) |
| 06:53.50 | Miravlix | I was looking for some of my old software, back then I wrote GPL software before I even knew it existed. |
| 06:54.52 | Iriel | Presumably "Free Software" rather than "GPL Software" - if you didn't know it existed |
| 06:58.20 | Miravlix | Shocking is all I can say |
| 06:58.47 | Miravlix | Well, as I recall my license was GPL -0.2 |
| 06:59.06 | Miravlix | We used the same ideas as later became the GPL |
| 06:59.52 | Miravlix | But that just goes to show why it became a success we where many that felt the same way about the topic. |
| 07:02.39 | Esamynn | yah, the patch finally started downloading |
| 07:02.57 | Esamynn | 10.6k of 266 so far |
| 07:04.31 | Esamynn | hmm, who would have guessed, test realm down... :( |
| 07:05.04 | Miravlix | http://faq.wow-europe.com/en/article.php?id=867 |
| 07:05.13 | Miravlix | I just got that trying to update EU Test. o.O |
| 07:05.50 | Esamynn | ..... ouch |
| 07:07.03 | Miravlix | 0 of 356K download, but I aint getting it due to that |
| 07:07.15 | Miravlix | Prolly trying to early they aren't done with maint yet |
| 07:07.24 | Qzot | Good night, all. |
| 07:07.31 | Iriel | G'night Qzot |
| 07:08.15 | Esamynn | now to figure out when the test attribute of FontStrings is resolved |
| 07:10.35 | Miravlix | Aah well enough searching for the past with Google. |
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| 07:18.56 | Miravlix | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1129709282896231096&q=world+of+warcraft |
| 07:19.01 | Miravlix | Best WoW Video ever? |
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| 07:20.07 | Iriel | Hey slouken |
| 07:20.14 | Iriel | Or is that he slukn |
| 07:20.15 | slouken | Hey |
| 07:20.19 | slouken | lol |
| 07:20.21 | slouken | What's up? |
| 07:21.22 | Iriel | Not a whole lot, doing the bidding of the dark lady in Tirisfal |
| 07:21.58 | Miravlix | Hey sluken |
| 07:28.13 | Miravlix | Not a whole lot... the channel has been red with heat from all the chat spam for hours and 5 min before slouken jumps in it all dies out. :) |
| 07:29.21 | Iriel | We did some digging for relics of our computing past on google |
| 07:29.41 | Iriel | There was some discussion on whether Assembly used to be easier in the old days of 8 bit processors |
| 07:30.56 | Miravlix | And we proved the age old programming paradox: "Programmers can't read there own code" |
| 07:31.29 | [MoonWolf] | depends on how long ago you wrote it. |
| 07:31.37 | Iriel | that discussion may have been limited to perl code tho? Or did you have some google revelations? |
| 07:32.01 | Esamynn | ok, so it appears the XML text attributes are resolved OnLoad |
| 07:32.18 | Esamynn | hey slouken, how goes it |
| 07:32.58 | Iriel | Esamynn : Cool, so you can clean up afterwards! |
| 07:33.12 | Esamynn | yep, makes me happy :) |
| 07:33.24 | Miravlix | Esamynn: Wouldn't it be more of a supprise if XML was executed later? |
| 07:33.34 | Esamynn | yes |
| 07:33.41 | Iriel | A few things dont happen until P_E_W tho |
| 07:33.45 | Esamynn | I would have been surprised if that wasn't the case |
| 07:33.53 | Iriel | that might just be stuff like UIScale tho |
| 07:34.34 | Miravlix | Oh, Slou also missed out on the best wow video ever. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1129709282896231096&q=world+of+warcraft |
| 07:47.09 | Esamynn | wow, the channel is just dead all of a sudden |
| 07:47.22 | Esamynn | Slouken, did you silence them all or something? :P |
| 07:47.34 | Iriel | Thats funny, because so are most of the Agamand family, again. |
| 07:47.39 | [MoonWolf] | people are going to bed ? |
| 07:47.50 | Esamynn | bed is for whimps ;) |
| 07:47.55 | Esamynn | ~bed |
| 07:47.57 | purl | bed is probably a thing programmers have never heard of, ask me about shower |
| 07:48.05 | [MoonWolf] | ~shower |
| 07:48.06 | purl | methinks shower is a (wo)man using one hand in a very usefull way |
| 07:48.15 | [MoonWolf] | ... |
| 07:48.17 | Esamynn | you had to ask |
| 07:48.32 | Esamynn | NEVER ask something purl tells you to ask :P |
| 07:49.01 | Esamynn | ~sleep |
| 07:49.02 | purl | from memory, sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 07:50.25 | Iriel | the shower one is only dirty if you want it to be |
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| 07:51.30 | [MoonWolf] | Iriel, you are talking to US. |
| 07:51.50 | Iriel | Point taken |
| 07:54.30 | Iriel | Ok, time for me to sleep. Goodnight all |
| 07:54.39 | Wobin_ | night ir |
| 07:56.03 | Esamynn | night |
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| 08:07.03 | Esamynn | yawn |
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| 08:09.20 | Esamynn | jeez, I never realised how significant the differance between local and global variables was |
| 08:10.18 | Miravlix | Badger, Badger, Mushroom, Badger...Badger, Mushroom!, snake! |
| 08:10.23 | [MoonWolf] | ~whaleslap Esamynn |
| 08:10.26 | purl | ACTION beats Esamynn upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 08:10.39 | Esamynn | lol |
| 08:10.39 | Wobin_ | ow |
| 08:10.48 | Wobin_ | ~lart Esamynn |
| 08:10.50 | Esamynn | ~cheeseslap [MoonWolf] |
| 08:10.51 | purl | ACTION slaps [MoonWolf] around with a piece of swiss |
| 08:11.41 | Esamynn | on my comp the diff is about 0.0003 ms |
| 08:12.22 | Esamynn | for a test that takes a total of about 0.002 ms |
| 08:12.42 | Miravlix | between local, globall? |
| 08:12.47 | Esamynn | yep |
| 08:12.51 | Miravlix | Ouch |
| 08:13.34 | Esamynn | ---/script local d;debugprofilestart(); d=spellCache[15]["texture"]; DevTools_Dump(debugprofilestop()) is the slow version, /script local d;local t=spellCache;debugprofilestart(); d=t[15]["texture"]; DevTools_Dump(debugprofilestop()) is the fast version |
| 08:14.27 | Esamynn | fast version: /script local d;local t=spellCache;debugprofilestart(); d=t[15]["texture"]; DevTools_Dump(debugprofilestop()) |
| 08:14.35 | Esamynn | there it is without the line wrap :) |
| 08:14.37 | Miravlix | Hmm, local savedvariables |
| 08:14.49 | Esamynn | lol, good luck |
| 08:14.55 | Miravlix | wtb |
| 08:15.36 | Esamynn | i've just finished converting my code to use local pointers to all my global tables |
| 08:15.55 | Miravlix | What about GlobalTableWithLotsOfcrap. local pointtoglobal = GlobalTableWithLotsOfcrap? |
| 08:16.15 | Esamynn | and the benefit of that would be? |
| 08:16.26 | Miravlix | Is it faster? |
| 08:16.53 | Miravlix | Global = SavedVariable |
| 08:17.12 | Esamynn | oh wait, re-read the code |
| 08:17.15 | Miravlix | So could everyone get a speed gain from referancing the global table with a local one |
| 08:17.16 | Esamynn | yes, thats what I did |
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| 08:17.34 | Esamynn | table variables are pointers |
| 08:17.47 | Esamynn | ~lart me |
| 08:17.56 | Miravlix | I've never fully gotten local function pointers to work, I always end up with error from stuff. |
| 08:18.27 | Miravlix | But I see it's well worth the effort to get it right now. |
| 08:18.50 | Esamynn | http://wow.pastebin.com/615744 is a code example |
| 08:19.28 | Miravlix | You can't local onload functions and stuff like that, thats called from other code. |
| 08:19.38 | Miravlix | I just have to get the scope right of local. |
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| 08:20.16 | Esamynn | don't drive yourself nuts over it |
| 08:20.29 | Esamynn | just make local pointers to your tables, anything else is overkill |
| 08:20.37 | Miravlix | So whats the rules of locals |
| 08:20.50 | Miravlix | Locals in an addon is file scope or addon environment scope? |
| 08:21.12 | Esamynn | there is no "addon environment" |
| 08:21.42 | Tem_ | sure there is |
| 08:21.54 | Esamynn | not the way he was thinking of |
| 08:22.27 | Esamynn | a local variable is valid up until the end of the block it was defined in, whether it was a function, a loop or a file |
| 08:22.29 | Tem_ | ah, I haven't been paying attention |
| 08:22.34 | Miravlix | If I make local thisisatest = 10; in projectfile1.lua and then tries to read it from projectfile2.lua |
| 08:22.44 | Esamynn | can't do that |
| 08:22.44 | Tem_ | it will be nil |
| 08:23.00 | Esamynn | you need to define the local in both files |
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| 08:23.13 | Miravlix | Well, ou could just have said yes when I asked if it was file scope. :) |
| 08:23.43 | Tem_ | when a variable is defined as "local" it's scope is the lowest chunk that it can see |
| 08:24.00 | Miravlix | But what happends to OnLoad, OnClick and OnEvent handlers? |
| 08:24.13 | Miravlix | Is the function after being called in the local files scope? |
| 08:24.19 | [MoonWolf] | event arguments are global |
| 08:24.28 | Tem_ | you have to define them as global if they are going to be called from an XML file |
| 08:24.44 | Tem_ | However, they could local if you used SetScript to assign them |
| 08:24.45 | Miravlix | I want to call locals inside my onevent |
| 08:24.52 | Tem_ | (though OnLoad would be moot) |
| 08:25.08 | Esamynn | functions inherit the environment of where they were defined |
| 08:25.12 | Miravlix | I have little issue with having 3-4 global functions and the rest local |
| 08:25.13 | Esamynn | including locals |
| 08:25.18 | Miravlix | But I generally get errors out of it |
| 08:25.41 | Tem_ | upvalues are neat |
| 08:25.45 | Esamynn | yep |
| 08:26.01 | Esamynn | very....sensible |
| 08:26.41 | Miravlix | Lets say I do function addon_OnLoad() addon_local() end |
| 08:26.58 | Miravlix | local function addon_local() stuff end |
| 08:27.09 | Esamynn | you need to define the local first |
| 08:27.24 | Miravlix | That was what I thought my problem was. |
| 08:27.25 | Esamynn | their scope is from the definition point onwards |
| 08:28.11 | Esamynn | thus why I say it isn't worth it to make most functions local, you'd go nuts not to mention, you might not be able to |
| 08:28.31 | Esamynn | think C++ without header files or their contents |
| 08:28.46 | Esamynn | prototypes, thats the word i'm looking for |
| 08:28.52 | Esamynn | C++ without prototypes |
| 08:29.50 | Miravlix | It's the very C prototypes thats making me slow in learning lua scope. :p |
| 08:30.12 | Esamynn | heh |
| 08:31.27 | Esamynn | anyone know how much history the private pastebin stores? |
| 08:31.41 | Wobin_ | not too much |
| 08:31.46 | Miravlix | I don't think I will go all that nuts actually since I use addon = {} addon.functioname = function() |
| 08:31.51 | Wobin_ | few days ? |
| 08:32.06 | Miravlix | So I think I can control things very well. |
| 08:32.33 | Miravlix | I can just define them as addon_function then do a local func = addon_function inside my scope |
| 08:32.45 | Miravlix | Should still give the speed advantage |
| 08:33.29 | Esamynn | hey Miravlix, here's something to mess with your mind: http://wow.pastebin.com/615761 |
| 08:33.34 | Esamynn | think about the implications of that |
| 08:33.54 | Miravlix | My mind went to sleep 9 hours ago |
| 08:34.04 | Miravlix | You will have to wake it to mess with it. |
| 08:34.11 | Esamynn | lol |
| 08:34.57 | Esamynn | well, bookmark it and take a look, Iriel was torn between "wow, that's neat" and "hmm" |
| 08:37.15 | Miravlix | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_setmetatable |
| 08:37.34 | Miravlix | I've no idea what setmetatable does. |
| 08:37.37 | Esamynn | there, I fleshed it out a bit to make what I mean more clear |
| 08:37.59 | Esamynn | oooh, metatables are FUN! :) |
| 08:38.15 | Miravlix | The joy of being autodedact and not having a classic programming education. :p |
| 08:38.18 | Esamynn | http://www.lua.org/docs.html |
| 08:39.54 | Esamynn | in a nutshell, the code allows you to put everything in your AddOn inside a table, and manipulate all the stuff inside your AddOn from the inside without having to reference the AddOn's table first in any way |
| 08:40.10 | Miravlix | What the ... |
| 08:40.21 | Miravlix | Operator Overloading in C++ |
| 08:40.32 | Miravlix | Same thing basically |
| 08:40.37 | Esamynn | OOP with inteligent scoping |
| 08:41.01 | Wobin_ | metatables are great |
| 08:41.37 | Miravlix | http://www.lua.org/pil/13.3.html <- this page, I should quote before I type. :p |
| 08:43.06 | Esamynn | only downside is, to SET something in the global environment you have to refer to it explicity. ie. global.DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME = ChatFrame2 |
| 08:45.47 | Esamynn | are you typing something Miravlix? |
| 08:45.55 | Miravlix | Reading |
| 08:46.00 | Esamynn | ahh ok :) |
| 08:47.20 | Esamynn | well I need to get some sleep |
| 08:47.36 | Miravlix | Operator Overloading is nice. |
| 08:47.51 | Esamynn | its not operator overloading |
| 08:48.21 | Miravlix | add lt eq index, etc. |
| 08:48.45 | Esamynn | it gives Lua some of the Intelligent Scoping when referencing stuff inside your AddOn "object" |
| 08:49.13 | Esamynn | \s\some of the\\ |
| 08:49.22 | Miravlix | variable + variable and lua reads my add metatable to do the operation |
| 08:49.24 | Esamynn | bah, typo'd oh well |
| 08:49.43 | Esamynn | thats not what i'm doing with the metatables though |
| 08:49.57 | Esamynn | my metatable has a __index tag |
| 08:50.10 | Esamynn | but yes, you can do that with metatables |
| 08:50.31 | Esamynn | sorry, thought you were talking about my code, not metatables in general |
| 08:51.50 | Miravlix | "index": The indexing access table[key]. |
| 08:51.58 | Miravlix | Your overloading the []'s |
| 08:52.40 | Esamynn | think of it as inheritence |
| 08:53.27 | Esamynn | if my table doesn't have a value stored under key then it looks for a value in the table stored in __index of the metatable |
| 08:55.40 | Esamynn | http://wow.pastebin.com/615777 that link makes what my code actually does as a result more clear |
| 08:56.46 | Esamynn | sorry, thought I had posted that link |
| 08:56.48 | Esamynn | ~lart me |
| 08:57.04 | Miravlix | When I originally started on LUA and found out it had some good stuff |
| 08:57.05 | Kalroth | poor Esamynn |
| 08:57.24 | Miravlix | I was trying to go fully OO, but it was horrible complicated, with weird calling syntax. |
| 08:58.02 | Miravlix | I miss my C++ class'es. |
| 08:58.09 | Esamynn | yah, what my code does it allow you to be OO, in what is, to me, a more natural way |
| 08:58.57 | Esamynn | well, you can sort of get classes, you just have to use an actual table to represent the class, then have all the "objects" inherit to it |
| 08:59.05 | Miravlix | those 8 lines of code wont scare the bejeeces out of anyone |
| 08:59.36 | Esamynn | not ment to be scary :P |
| 09:00.22 | Miravlix | going OO the horrible syntax way without those 8 lines is scary. |
| 09:00.45 | Miravlix | But still how many can really follow an addon thats truely written in OO. |
| 09:01.06 | krka|work | there are many ways to do OO in lua, not just one |
| 09:01.17 | Kalroth | there is only one way, my way! |
| 09:01.29 | Esamynn | yah, i was going to say, there are lots of ways, some better than others |
| 09:01.32 | Miravlix | yeah, I read up on them a year ago |
| 09:01.39 | Miravlix | And they where all freaking horrible |
| 09:02.14 | Esamynn | it's not that bad really, and keep in mind it's a scripting language |
| 09:02.14 | Miravlix | So I decided it wasn't worth it. |
| 09:02.16 | krka|work | even my way? :) |
| 09:02.30 | Kalroth | no my way, not your way! |
| 09:02.44 | Miravlix | Your way is good and all for Krka, Miravlix, Esamynn and 3 other people |
| 09:02.58 | Esamynn | my way is BEST, I got Iriel to tear himself ;) |
| 09:03.01 | Miravlix | Problem is no one else would understand a word. |
| 09:03.34 | Esamynn | hehehe |
| 09:03.48 | Miravlix | I would rather write smack style addons and give others a chance to steal from my code. |
| 09:04.20 | krka|work | understand a word? |
| 09:04.24 | krka|work | my way is quite clear |
| 09:04.41 | krka|work | not obfuscated metatable usage :P |
| 09:04.54 | Miravlix | I just found out Watcom C++ is open source, so I will just go write myself a templated class with multiple inheritance and drool over it as I go to bed. |
| 09:04.58 | Kalroth | I prefer obfuscated metatable usage! |
| 09:05.11 | Esamynn | haha |
| 09:05.14 | Miravlix | krka: As I recall we where talking about this a year ago or so. |
| 09:05.29 | Esamynn | anyways, night all, I need to slee |
| 09:05.33 | Miravlix | Have you refined things since then? |
| 09:05.47 | Esamynn | s\slee\sleep\ |
| 09:05.57 | Kalroth | infact, I prefer using obfuscated metatables of unobfuscated metatables |
| 09:05.58 | Esamynn | damnit, what is that command again? :( |
| 09:06.08 | Kalroth | use / :) |
| 09:06.13 | Miravlix | wrong way with the slash |
| 09:06.25 | Kalroth | and I think it's s/speling/spelling/r |
| 09:06.27 | Esamynn | hmm, my chat client gave me an error when I did |
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| 09:06.55 | Miravlix | search for <expression 1> replace with <expression2> |
| 09:06.58 | krka|work | a year ago??? |
| 09:07.01 | krka|work | not likely |
| 09:07.02 | Miravlix | s/hula/balu/ |
| 09:07.13 | Esamynn | s/hmm,/hmmm,/r |
| 09:07.27 | Kalroth | you have to speeel badly first |
| 09:07.32 | Esamynn | :P |
| 09:07.33 | Kalroth | s/speeel/spell/r |
| 09:07.38 | Kalroth | :( |
| 09:07.44 | Miravlix | s/hula/balu/ |
| 09:07.52 | krka|work | here's my Queue in OO: http://wow.pastebin.com/615795 |
| 09:08.10 | Kalroth | pop goes the veasel! |
| 09:08.46 | Esamynn | hehe, closurse FTW! :) |
| 09:09.01 | Esamynn | s/closurse/closures/ |
| 09:09.05 | Esamynn | yay! |
| 09:09.24 | Kalroth | oh, no r :( |
| 09:09.31 | krka|work | hmm... was that my closure implementation? |
| 09:09.49 | krka|work | hmm.. no it wasn't |
| 09:09.55 | krka|work | i should write up that one too to compare |
| 09:10.08 | Esamynn | oh, my bad, didn't read it carefully enough |
| 09:10.17 | krka|work | closures are harder to inherit from though |
| 09:10.22 | Esamynn | seeing things, i'm too damn tired |
| 09:10.26 | Esamynn | night all |
| 09:11.10 | Miravlix | I still like varialbly = EsamynnMetaTableImplementationthingy |
| 09:11.38 | Miravlix | It's completely transparent tot he user. |
| 09:12.04 | Miravlix | Because the = operator is metatabled (overloaded) to handle the transfair |
| 09:15.57 | Miravlix | But I wont really have 'users' that use it, so why not do simple table classes and stuff. |
| 09:16.57 | Miravlix | And at the most go with krka's use of : to transfair us self around. |
| 09:18.07 | krka|work | hm? |
| 09:18.11 | krka|work | i didn't use : did i? |
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| 09:18.29 | Miravlix | # |
| 09:18.29 | Miravlix | -- usage: |
| 09:18.29 | Miravlix | # |
| 09:18.29 | Miravlix | -- local q = newQueue() |
| 09:18.29 | Miravlix | # |
| 09:18.29 | Miravlix | -- q:push(123) |
| 09:18.31 | Miravlix | # |
| 09:18.35 | Miravlix | q:push |
| 09:19.10 | krka|work | ah there |
| 09:19.48 | Miravlix | That has it's uses, it moves our data around with us. |
| 09:21.18 | Miravlix | and it's not so alien as to scare. |
| 09:21.33 | Miravlix | Because lua handle all the scary stuff |
| 09:23.28 | Miravlix | But lets say I make a fully operator overloaded Sky, where the user just have to do variable = sky to get there mailbox or sky = this + that .. and some more to send on the sky channel |
| 09:24.34 | Miravlix | That looks beutiful and I beleive super easy to use, but the Sky code... how many can read it with lua's OO? |
| 09:41.59 | krka|work | all good coders can |
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| 11:43.39 | Wobin_ | hrm, any ideas as to when 1.10 will be released? |
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| 11:56.19 | malicor | hi |
| 11:58.57 | Kalroth | Wobin_: rumors suggest next week, but .. :) |
| 11:59.52 | Tem | gosh I hope not |
| 12:00.08 | Wobin_ | IRT the 1.10 testrealm patch... I can safely patch my current game? |
| 12:00.55 | malicor | i got my ActionButton problem partly fixed (cheers) :) |
| 12:01.24 | Tem | do you mean can you use the last PTR patch to upgrade your 'live' client for 1.10 when the time comes? |
| 12:01.56 | Wobin_ | I'm attempting to get to the PTR for the first time =) |
| 12:02.59 | Kalroth | Good luck! |
| 12:06.36 | Wobin_ | Ah, the patcher automatically splits the install |
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| 12:25.40 | Tem | I've just patched like 3 times |
| 12:25.46 | Tem | and I now have to download another patch |
| 12:47.03 | Wobin_ | hrm. |
| 12:47.26 | Wobin_ | The attack power normalisation for hunter shots will make faster weapons more 'powerful' eh? |
| 12:51.32 | Kalroth | well not really, it's like attack power normalisation for warriors |
| 12:51.46 | Kalroth | it'll make special attack for hunters less max dependant |
| 12:51.55 | Kalroth | max damage, that is |
| 12:52.23 | Wobin_ | ah |
| 12:52.25 | Wobin_ | I was misreading |
| 12:52.37 | Wobin_ | Weapons slower than 2.8 speed will do slightly less damage than previously; weapons faster than 2.8 speed will do slightly more damage. |
| 12:52.43 | Wobin_ | I missed the 'previously' =) |
| 12:54.37 | Kalroth | the problem was (like with warriors) that weapons that are slow would give you insanely high crits on eg. aimed shot and multishot |
| 12:54.48 | Kalroth | like Ashjre'thul from Chrom |
| 12:54.58 | Kalroth | it's 124-186 and speed 3.40 |
| 13:11.30 | Legorol | g'morning |
| 13:11.39 | Legorol | new patch on test realm, wee |
| 13:15.52 | malicor | wee :) |
| 13:16.55 | malicor | question: i bought the game in german, but play on an english server, loads stuff is still german and annoying badly |
| 13:17.00 | malicor | like channel names one joins |
| 13:17.07 | malicor | is there a way to make everything english somehow ? |
| 13:17.30 | [MoonWolf] | i think there was a localisation changer somwhere on the eu site. |
| 13:18.52 | malicor | that'd give me a patch to download or something ? |
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| 13:25.11 | Wobin_ | waah |
| 13:25.12 | Wobin_ | Registry error loading key 'World of Warcraft\UninstallPath' |
| 13:25.13 | Wobin_ | The system cannot find the file specified. |
| 13:25.17 | Wobin_ | NOTE: No uninstall data |
| 13:25.19 | Wobin_ | RESULT: Patch failed |
| 13:25.48 | Kalroth | yeah, you didn't install WoW, you copied the directory |
| 13:26.12 | Kalroth | i don't have WoW installed here, sorry, so I can't tell you the total key path |
| 13:28.27 | Kalroth | aha, there we go |
| 13:28.40 | Tain | New Strawberry Milkshake Poptarts... ehn ok. I still prefer Frosted Strawberry, after Brown Sugar Cinammon of course. |
| 13:28.47 | Kalroth | mmm, I think |
| 13:29.06 | Kalroth | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Blizzard Entertainment\World of Warcraft |
| 13:29.37 | Wobin_ | woohoo |
| 13:29.39 | Kalroth | "InstallPath"="c:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\" |
| 13:29.39 | Wobin_ | Thank you =) |
| 13:30.10 | Wobin_ | huh |
| 13:30.13 | Wobin_ | It's there.. =( |
| 13:30.18 | Kalroth | d'oh! |
| 13:30.22 | Wobin_ | oh uninstall path |
| 13:30.39 | Kalroth | oops, mispaste |
| 13:30.48 | Kalroth | it should be "UninstallPath"="c:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\" |
| 13:30.49 | Wobin_ | same data, I take it? |
| 13:30.54 | Wobin_ | Cool =) |
| 13:31.10 | Kalroth | was taken from http://news.17173.com/content/2005-5-13/n47_963905.html |
| 13:31.22 | Kalroth | but I think it's the same on US/EU clients :) |
| 13:32.02 | Kalroth | hrm, content isn't the same, odd |
| 13:32.11 | Kalroth | for UninstallPath key that is |
| 13:32.25 | Wobin_ | how's that? |
| 13:32.46 | Kalroth | well according to above link it leads to common files etc |
| 13:32.49 | Kalroth | doesn't make sense though |
| 13:36.11 | Kalroth | Wobin_: check program files\common files\blizzard entertainment\ and see if there's any directories there |
| 13:36.37 | Wobin_ | Hrm, aye |
| 13:36.42 | Wobin_ | There's a WoW directory |
| 13:36.49 | Wobin_ | I'll redirect it |
| 13:36.54 | Wobin_ | (the key that is) |
| 13:37.03 | Kalroth | yup |
| 13:37.11 | Kalroth | it should be: "UninstallPath"="C:\Program Files\Common Files\Blizzard Entertainment\WoW\Uninstall.exe" then |
| 13:38.07 | Maldivia | hmm, you might need the files in that dir aswell ;) |
| 13:38.08 | Wobin_ | (Where WoW == "World of Warcraft" cause I was too lazy to type it out earlier =)) |
| 13:38.26 | Kalroth | oh :P |
| 13:38.46 | Kalroth | Maldivia: yeah, he got that, he was just missing the registry entry for some reason |
| 13:39.18 | Maldivia | there's an uninstall.xml file there, that contrains a list of all the files (with full path) that the installer installed |
| 13:39.22 | Wobin_ | Windows reinstall =) |
| 13:43.49 | Maldivia | malicor: did you find the language changer? |
| 13:48.08 | malicor | nope |
| 13:48.16 | malicor | though i coudltn really search yet, am here at work |
| 13:50.58 | Maldivia | https://www.wow-europe.com/account/download.html |
| 13:53.52 | Kalroth | Cairenn: morning sunshine! |
| 13:54.03 | Cairenn | Kalroth: morning cutie |
| 13:54.18 | Wobin_ | Good morning starshine... the earth says hello! You twinkle above us... we twinkle below... |
| 13:54.39 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 13:54.49 | Cairenn | wow, haven't heard that one in ages ... |
| 13:54.59 | [MoonWolf] | can i have some moonshine now ? |
| 13:55.04 | Cairenn | lol |
| 13:55.10 | Wobin_ | When the moon, is in the seventh house... and jupiter, aligns with mars.... |
| 13:55.44 | Wobin_ | And peace will guide the planets, and love will guide the stars. This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius! The Age of Aquarius! |
| 13:56.12 | [MoonWolf] | ll |
| 13:56.13 | Cairenn | heh |
| 13:57.55 | Maldivia | hmm... |
| 13:58.41 | Maldivia | ... I don't want to know... |
| 13:58.52 | Kalroth | word |
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| 14:09.59 | Wobin_ | ... |
| 14:10.05 | Wobin_ | how many updates are there for the PTR? |
| 14:10.14 | Legorol | darn slouken.. |
| 14:10.22 | Kalroth | uh oh, Lego is mad |
| 14:10.24 | malicor | age of aquarius ? aint that from 'cats' ?:) |
| 14:10.41 | Legorol | his fix to Iriel's little trick broke some other things.. |
| 14:10.51 | Legorol | although you could call it a "feature" |
| 14:10.51 | malicor | :) |
| 14:11.06 | Wobin_ | malicor: Hair, I think =P |
| 14:11.12 | malicor | things breaking other things :) ah, yes, hair |
| 14:11.19 | malicor | but some musical :) |
| 14:13.14 | Wobin_ | Current PTR release? I'm at 5162 |
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| 14:16.18 | Legorol | current release is 5188 |
| 14:16.30 | Wobin_ | thanks =) |
| 14:16.32 | Legorol | Wobin: 5162->5174->5188 |
| 14:16.34 | Wobin_ | A few more to go then |
| 14:16.48 | Beladona | did 5188 come out yesterday? |
| 14:16.52 | Wobin_ | woo |
| 14:16.53 | Legorol | i just got it this morning |
| 14:17.02 | Beladona | darn |
| 14:17.12 | Wobin_ | I wonder why they bothered with a downloader |
| 14:17.12 | Legorol | but "morning" is relative |
| 14:17.17 | Wobin_ | for a 266kb file |
| 14:17.23 | Legorol | that's a new spliffy downloader |
| 14:17.27 | Legorol | that is capable of background downloading |
| 14:17.36 | Legorol | my guess is they are testing the background download capability |
| 14:17.53 | Legorol | which failed spectacularly for me, as it tries to grab a US patch on the EU client |
| 14:18.18 | Beladona | so far the downloader isn't impressing me |
| 14:21.08 | Wobin_ | hrm, should I transfer a priest? |
| 14:33.35 | krka|work | what did it break lego? anything important? |
| 14:33.52 | Kalroth | Legorol: lol |
| 14:34.04 | Legorol | nah nothing important |
| 14:34.15 | Legorol | i will make a post when i've tested it fully |
| 14:34.29 | Legorol | but a call to LoadAddOn now wipes all virtual frame definitions |
| 14:35.21 | Legorol | so if you have an addon that defines a virtual frame, calls LoadAddOn from the OnLoad handler of one of its frames then carries on to try and use that virtual frame in another frame, it won't work |
| 14:35.21 | Maldivia | virtual frames are only available in the loading phase, but not when loading LoD addons ? |
| 14:35.24 | Legorol | Maldivia: it's a bit more complicated |
| 14:35.37 | Maldivia | ahh, so the entire virtual pool is wiped when LoadAddon returns ? |
| 14:35.42 | Legorol | yes |
| 14:35.58 | Legorol | the virtual frames available at any one time are the ones defined during the current batch of addon loading |
| 14:35.59 | Maldivia | and it doesn't do this on 1.9 ? |
| 14:36.08 | Legorol | no, and it didn't used to in 1.10 either |
| 14:36.13 | Legorol | ok here is what i mean: |
| 14:36.25 | Legorol | if you havea LoD addon, as we know the only virtual frames you can use are the ones that you define in there |
| 14:36.30 | Legorol | or explicitly reference in the .toc |
| 14:36.50 | Legorol | but a LoD addon can cause multiple addons to be loaded, e.g. its dependencies |
| 14:36.56 | Wobin_ | erm |
| 14:37.02 | Legorol | so it's possible that you are loading multiple addons in one go |
| 14:37.05 | Legorol | now up until now, |
| 14:37.18 | Wobin_ | Anyone have issues using the PTR copy char page on the mainpages? |
| 14:37.21 | Legorol | when that was the case, a virtual frame defined in one addon is available to all the addons that get loaded as one "batch" |
| 14:37.48 | Legorol | there are 2 ways in which a LoD addon can cause others to be loaded with him: |
| 14:37.53 | Maldivia | Ahh ok... so they fixed a bug, and you were depending on that bug :) |
| 14:38.01 | Legorol | 1) a dependency of it that's also LoD |
| 14:38.11 | Legorol | 2) an explicit call to LoadAddOn in the <OnLoad> handler |
| 14:38.31 | Legorol | addons that are loaded via these methods have access to the virtual frames of the original LoD AddOn |
| 14:38.39 | Legorol | no i wasn't depending on a bug |
| 14:38.41 | Legorol | it's not a bug per-se |
| 14:38.59 | Legorol | Ok look at it this way: |
| 14:39.06 | Maldivia | I get it |
| 14:39.08 | Legorol | ok |
| 14:39.28 | [MoonWolf] | he was depending on a "feature" :P |
| 14:40.00 | Maldivia | but I still say it's a bug to start with, since addon 2 depends on that it's loaded at the same time as addon 1, because they didn't specify references in the .toc to load the templates from addon 1, depending on they would be available when loaded at the same time |
| 14:41.46 | Legorol | sure but that's not hte problem |
| 14:41.51 | Legorol | you are absolutely right in that sense |
| 14:41.57 | Legorol | the problem is not in addon 2 |
| 14:42.00 | Legorol | the problem is in addon 1 |
| 14:42.11 | Legorol | in addon 1, once you called LoadAddOn, the virtual definitions are wiped.. |
| 14:42.22 | Maldivia | yeah, that's a problem |
| 14:42.32 | Legorol | so any subsequent frames that are created *after* the LoadAddOn("AddOn2") call, can't depend on it |
| 14:43.05 | Maldivia | work-around: move all LoadAddOn to OnEvent(ADDON_LOADED) |
| 14:43.17 | Legorol | sure, but i'm not interested in work arounds |
| 14:43.22 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 14:43.22 | Legorol | i am merely testing the behaviour of addon loading |
| 14:43.25 | Legorol | :-) |
| 14:43.31 | Legorol | this is not an actual addon, just some test code |
| 14:43.41 | Legorol | you'd pretty much need to be nuts to call LoadAddOn from an <OnLoad> |
| 14:43.53 | Maldivia | but yeah, I see that there's a problem with it wiping a global template list, instead of a load addon-only list |
| 14:44.09 | Maldivia | local* |
| 14:44.11 | Beladona | tis a feature with an unintended side affect |
| 14:44.19 | Legorol | I know the reason for this change in LoadAddOn's behaviour |
| 14:44.25 | Legorol | but it has an unintended effect, as you put it |
| 14:44.41 | Beladona | they will fix it |
| 14:44.46 | Beladona | anyone post about it yet? |
| 14:44.52 | Legorol | i will once i have done more testing |
| 14:45.04 | Legorol | because there are some loose ends to tie |
| 14:46.01 | Beladona | I wonder why they moved the MiniGame to toc loading |
| 14:46.16 | Legorol | didn't they remove them? |
| 14:46.24 | Beladona | did they? |
| 14:46.38 | Legorol | yeah they removed them from the .toc just today |
| 14:46.39 | Maldivia | hmm, does the same happen, if you call LoadAddon() when loggin in (in a load-on-start addon)? |
| 14:46.44 | Beladona | in 5188 it is there and FrameXML.toc was changed to load them |
| 14:46.46 | Legorol | the files are still in FrameXMl but not in FrameXML.toc anymore |
| 14:46.52 | Beladona | they are now |
| 14:46.54 | Legorol | uh? |
| 14:46.57 | Beladona | oh wait |
| 14:47.00 | Beladona | you are right |
| 14:47.04 | Legorol | it's the other way round |
| 14:47.07 | Beladona | got it backwords, they took them out |
| 14:47.11 | Legorol | yeah |
| 14:47.15 | Beladona | why though? |
| 14:47.24 | Kalroth | They added minigames for "please wait, you're number 984 in queue.." and "reading characterlist .."? |
| 14:47.46 | Maldivia | minigames have been in for quite a few patches now |
| 14:47.57 | Beladona | we know |
| 14:48.04 | Beladona | they were taken out of 5188 though |
| 14:48.09 | Maldivia | *sob* |
| 14:48.16 | Maldivia | Legorol: tested that ? |
| 14:48.36 | Legorol | tested what? |
| 14:48.51 | Legorol | Kalroth: we have know idea yet what the minigames are for |
| 14:48.55 | Legorol | they appear non-functioning right now |
| 14:49.01 | Beladona | compare is up |
| 14:49.02 | Kalroth | :( |
| 14:49.11 | Maldivia | Legorol: if a load-on-start addons calls LoadAddon in an OnLoad, does it clear all templates aswell ? |
| 14:49.35 | Legorol | Maldivia: no i haven't tested yet, and quite possibly it does |
| 14:50.08 | Maldivia | Legorol: because, that could be quite hazardious... consider an addon that depends on for instance the default RaidUI, and calls RaidUI_LoadUI() in an OnLoad |
| 14:50.11 | Legorol | at the moment i'm wrestling with a reproducible #132 crash |
| 14:50.24 | Legorol | Maldivia: yep |
| 14:50.27 | Legorol | that's what i was thinking too |
| 14:50.43 | Legorol | i'll test it for you |
| 14:51.37 | Maldivia | hmm, can you enter the blizzard UIs as dependancies in the toc? |
| 14:51.48 | [MoonWolf] | most likely |
| 14:51.50 | Beladona | <- so lazy |
| 14:52.02 | Legorol | yes you can enter them as dependencies |
| 14:52.06 | Beladona | I hate converting patch notes into xml, so half the time I don't bother |
| 14:52.18 | Beladona | which is why wdn keeps getting behind on patch notes |
| 14:52.20 | Legorol | there appears to be a #132 crash associated with LoadAddOn from <OnLoad> too |
| 14:52.26 | Legorol | some of my test addons throw it 100% of the time |
| 14:52.38 | Legorol | i'm trying to narrow it down to the smallest possible code |
| 14:54.03 | Beladona | interesting |
| 14:54.38 | Beladona | 5188 patch notes says that they added support for widescreen video resolutions -- I thought wow already did? |
| 14:54.57 | Maldivia | dual-screen ? |
| 14:55.02 | Beladona | maybe |
| 14:55.09 | Beladona | would be nice if they expounded on that |
| 14:55.21 | Beladona | that isn't exactly widescreen res, that is dualview |
| 14:56.53 | malicor | there's dualscreen support now ? |
| 14:57.07 | [MoonWolf] | yep |
| 14:57.23 | malicor | nice:) |
| 14:57.30 | Beladona | hang on |
| 14:57.36 | Beladona | still checking something |
| 14:59.32 | Beladona | definitely says - Added support for widescreen video resolutions. |
| 14:59.41 | Beladona | just need to test it and figure out what they mean |
| 15:00.09 | Beladona | oh snap |
| 15:00.18 | Beladona | Addons can no longer use RegisterForSave() |
| 15:00.22 | Beladona | pwnd! |
| 15:00.57 | Legorol | you weren't supposed to use RegForSave for a long, looooooong time now |
| 15:01.03 | Legorol | it's about time they nuked it! |
| 15:01.07 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
| 15:01.15 | [MoonWolf] | burn authors BURN |
| 15:01.29 | [MoonWolf] | although it was usefull in some debuggin tricks. |
| 15:01.51 | Beladona | never |
| 15:01.55 | Legorol | Maldivia: it appears that if you do LoadAddOn from a non-LoD addon, it doesn't mess things up |
| 15:02.01 | Legorol | weird.. |
| 15:02.04 | Legorol | which gives me some stuff to test |
| 15:02.20 | malicor | having fun, huh ?:) |
| 15:02.22 | Beladona | they added MouselookStart(), MouselookStop() and IsMouselooking() |
| 15:02.30 | Beladona | hmm... |
| 15:04.26 | Beladona | brb, gotta reboot |
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| 15:04.40 | Wobin_ | woo |
| 15:04.43 | Wobin_ | 8249 latency |
| 15:05.08 | [MoonWolf] | what happend to time outs |
| 15:09.44 | Wobin_ | The catdance is so cool |
| 15:09.54 | Wobin_ | It's not overdone (like the bear one is) |
| 15:10.23 | Cairenn|afk | bitch bitch bitch |
| 15:10.30 | Kalroth | :( |
| 15:10.35 | Kalroth | I'm not a bitch! :( |
| 15:11.18 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 15:11.22 | [MoonWolf] | prove it |
| 15:14.20 | Cairenn|afk | ack! |
| 15:14.32 | Cairenn|afk | :( |
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| 15:16.05 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 15:16.13 | Cairenn|afk | I really hope that was just lousy timing on getting disconnected accidentally, and not that he is mad .. |
| 15:16.31 | Wobin_ | ... |
| 15:16.39 | Wobin_ | I can't seem to find an addon button on the PTR |
| 15:16.59 | Wobin_ | This will put a crimp in my testing =P |
| 15:17.30 | Wobin_ | oh. |
| 15:17.31 | malicor | PTR = pointer ? or what ? |
| 15:17.32 | Wobin_ | duh |
| 15:17.38 | krka|work | public test realm |
| 15:17.39 | Cairenn|afk | public test realms |
| 15:17.39 | Wobin_ | I just realised. It's all in a different folder |
| 15:17.42 | malicor | ah:) |
| 15:18.36 | Cairenn|afk | morning JoshBorke |
| 15:23.06 | Cairenn|afk | :( |
| 15:23.09 | Cairenn|afk | I have to go |
| 15:23.20 | Cairenn|afk | hope he isn't mad |
| 15:24.15 | Wobin_ | Don't think so, Cair |
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| 15:47.36 | malreth | buy my hookers! |
| 16:10.57 | JoshBorke | ... |
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| 16:50.26 | Adrine | Morning, folks. |
| 16:51.32 | Ktron| | Morning Adrine |
| 16:51.51 | Adrine | I see how it is. I log in and leave me for WoW. |
| 16:51.52 | Adrine | :( |
| 16:51.57 | Adrine | Morning. :) |
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| 16:57.04 | Ktron|WoW | hmph |
| 16:59.12 | Cairenn | did Kolath come back? |
| 16:59.40 | Wobin_ | Kalroth? |
| 16:59.44 | Legorol | nope, you scared him off for good |
| 16:59.48 | Cairenn | yeah, him :p |
| 16:59.51 | Cairenn | :( |
| 17:00.30 | Legorol | Cairenn, i'm sure he didn't leave because of you :-) |
| 17:00.55 | Cairenn | timing sucked :( |
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| 17:11.14 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 17:18.23 | Shouryuu | wow this looks real nice http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19965 |
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| 17:34.15 | Wobin_ | eee |
| 17:34.26 | Wobin_ | Level 56 rogue that doesn't know what imp sap is |
| 17:35.08 | Shadowd | don't blame him |
| 17:35.12 | Shadowd | sub tree is terrible anyway :p |
| 17:35.29 | Wobin_ | That's alright. |
| 17:35.49 | Wobin_ | I shouldn't have expected much from a party of two rogues, a druid, a lock and me as healer |
| 17:35.58 | Wobin_ | Especially for BRD =P |
| 17:36.29 | Wobin_ | (The fact I had at least a 4 second lag on commands didn't help either... =() |
| 17:37.19 | Shadowd | Actually, usually when people spec into imp sap you can find out they're terrible anyway! |
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| 17:44.19 | Miravlix | Morning |
| 17:44.44 | Shouryuu | morning |
| 17:45.07 | Shouryuu | elfen lied looks so godamn cool |
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| 17:52.59 | Wobin_ | I love how the direct translation of that dagger you linked, Shou, is Black Solviet Thunder =P |
| 17:53.28 | Wobin_ | Or it could be Wusi's Thunder |
| 17:53.42 | Wobin_ | Which makes more sense =P |
| 17:53.44 | krka | if something is instant cast and has no cooldown, can i do like .. infinite of them in a macro? |
| 17:54.08 | Wobin_ | What doesn't trigger global cooldown though? |
| 17:54.21 | Adrine | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.28 | krka | i was thinking IAE but maybe that's wrong |
| 17:59.48 | Adrine | IAE triggers the global cooldown |
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| 18:02.01 | krka | crap :) |
| 18:05.10 | Miravlix | But yeah if they truely has no cooldown, then you can teoretically chain them |
| 18:05.51 | Miravlix | But Nature's Swiftness is a cast effect so no point in it chained, Tigers Fury run you out of mana, PoM goes hot and then can't be cast |
| 18:06.06 | Miravlix | Heroic strike, Mail is a on effect nothing to chain |
| 18:06.40 | Miravlix | Blizzard has designed it so there is no point in chaining things with global cooldown. :p |
| 18:07.14 | Miravlix | s/global/no global/ |
| 18:09.02 | JoshBorke | Shouryuu: i enjoyed elfen lied |
| 18:12.45 | Tain | Only problem with a mouse with rechargable battery is when you forget to charge it. |
| 18:13.25 | Tain | But! This goes back to just one of the thigns I was saying last night. I can do everything else in Windows that I need to without using a mouse. |
| 18:14.31 | JoshBorke | yep, except play wow as effectively :D |
| 18:14.43 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, id like a mouse in my games plx |
| 18:14.50 | Tain | Yeah. :( Stupid WoW. |
| 18:15.03 | Tain | It proves my point exactly. WoW needs more non-mouse support! |
| 18:15.19 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 18:15.21 | sharkhat | i agree |
| 18:15.26 | [MoonWolf] | I disagree |
| 18:15.30 | JoshBorke | you can use different camera angles |
| 18:15.37 | JoshBorke | the only thing you can't do without a mouse is look behind you |
| 18:15.38 | [MoonWolf] | wow has all the non mouse support it needs |
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| 18:15.42 | sharkhat | i want to play wow as fast as i type |
| 18:15.47 | [MoonWolf] | and move action buttons around. |
| 18:16.02 | Maldivia | Legorol: did you finish your load addon testing ? |
| 18:16.05 | sharkhat | ii always click off screan, or too fast, or somthing dumb... |
| 18:16.12 | Adrine | I want a neural input device. |
| 18:16.18 | Adrine | Just -think- what you want to happen and it does. |
| 18:16.21 | [MoonWolf] | Adrine, everybody does |
| 18:16.24 | Adrine | It would also make coding a lot faster. |
| 18:16.29 | Adrine | Yeah. Well. >_> |
| 18:16.47 | [MoonWolf] | but if we can do neural output we can most likely also do neural input |
| 18:16.50 | Maldivia | it already works that way... "Ohh fuck, we're going to wipe"... and we wipe |
| 18:16.56 | [MoonWolf] | so away with screens then. |
| 18:17.10 | Wobin_ | JoshBorke: I have an addon that flips my view 180 when I hit my middle mouse button |
| 18:17.25 | [MoonWolf] | Wobin_, i have a wow keybind that does that |
| 18:17.28 | [MoonWolf] | no addon required. |
| 18:17.30 | Wobin_ | (which can obviously be linked to a key) |
| 18:17.37 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 18:20.08 | Tain | WoW does most certainly not have all the non-mouse support it needs. |
| 18:20.59 | Tain | Screens? I just see green characters scrolling downward in front of me. |
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| 18:31.02 | krka | neural input... how awkward at work when your mind drifts |
| 18:32.03 | [MoonWolf] | if(a = ) then BOOBIES! |
| 18:33.18 | Wobin_ | I like how you close the brackets off before thinking BOOBIES |
| 18:33.54 | [MoonWolf] | oopss |
| 18:34.37 | Maldivia | hmm... I wonder how well pair-programming would work with neural interfaces... |
| 18:35.12 | [MoonWolf] | it could create a whole new type of programming language |
| 18:35.12 | Tain | for k,v in pairs(boobies) do |
| 18:35.20 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 18:46.55 | JoshBorke | Wobin_: the () were put in autogamically by the editor of course :0 |
| 18:47.04 | JoshBorke | just like xchat is correcting my teh |
| 18:55.04 | Shouryuu | arghhh I lost like a document on which my survival depended on |
| 18:55.16 | Shouryuu | I can basicly wish you goodbye |
| 18:59.16 | Wobin_ | shenme? |
| 19:00.39 | Shouryuu | If anyone has any last requests, you have until tomorow to thing about them |
| 19:02.12 | Wobin_ | Last Will and Testament? |
| 19:02.41 | Shouryuu | I'll keep those personal, sorry |
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| 19:16.38 | JoshBorke | Shouryuu: can you make my addon better? |
| 19:17.25 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:17.31 | Shouryuu | you don't want me near your addon |
| 19:17.46 | Shouryuu | I'll just break it and useless functions |
| 19:17.59 | Wobin_ | Shouryuu has cooties =) |
| 19:18.11 | Shouryuu | cooties? |
| 19:19.25 | Wobin_ | http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&defl=en&q=define:Cooties |
| 19:19.28 | Wobin_ | er |
| 19:19.34 | Wobin_ | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooties |
| 19:19.46 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:35.11 | Shouryuu | man elfen lied is freakeshly gore |
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| 19:36.50 | wereHamster | where can I download SpellBars ? I can't find it on CG and WoWI |
| 19:37.08 | Adrine | Are you sure that's the right name of the addon? |
| 19:37.40 | wereHamster | ## Title: SpellBars |
| 19:37.51 | wereHamster | ## Author: KlngArthur |
| 19:38.02 | Adrine | That's the right one :) |
| 19:38.20 | wereHamster | so.. where do I find it? |
| 19:38.44 | Adrine | I'm taking a peek right now myself. |
| 19:38.48 | Adrine | Did find this... |
| 19:38.48 | Adrine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=318059&p=2 |
| 19:39.30 | Adrine | Not seeing anything offhand, but if you have the TOC, why do you need the download?: ) |
| 19:40.02 | wereHamster | it's for a friend.. |
| 19:43.03 | Wobin_ | It'd probably be faster for you to zip it and email it to him than search for it =) |
| 19:43.18 | Wobin_ | or try ui.worldofwar.com |
| 19:43.39 | wereHamster | its his own UI.. http://www.klngarthur.com/klngUI.zip |
| 19:44.48 | Wobin_ | oh man |
| 19:45.09 | Wobin_ | I bet he was pissed, originally when someone else already had the KingArthur name =P |
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| 19:49.28 | Cide | sigh |
| 19:49.46 | Cide | another new site, uploading mods without author permission |
| 19:49.46 | Adrine | problems? |
| 19:49.52 | Adrine | Which is this? |
| 19:50.01 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=340335&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 19:50.06 | Cide | wowuploads.com |
| 19:50.53 | Adrine | Bleh. I hate filetree structure, too. |
| 19:50.57 | Adrine | Though that's secondary. :P |
| 19:51.05 | Gryphen | ah i know tigersmith from planetside |
| 19:51.07 | Gryphen | :o |
| 19:52.10 | Cide | I can't say I like the colors |
| 19:52.11 | Cide | http://www.gaminguploads.com/forums/local_links.php?catid=9&linkid=273 |
| 19:53.24 | Adrine | Dark green on gray isn't the highest contrast option out there. |
| 19:54.02 | Cide | nor very easy on the eyes, I prefer darker sites |
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| 19:55.47 | Adrine | Bleh. |
| 19:55.50 | Adrine | Stupid GD. |
| 19:56.01 | Adrine | Built-in rotation functions don't preserve alpha channels. |
| 19:56.39 | Iriel | I'm very unhappy with most command-line tool alpha handling |
| 19:56.52 | Adrine | In this case it's through PHP. |
| 19:57.12 | Adrine | Which means I can implement my own rotation function, but it'd be slow. :/ |
| 19:57.13 | Gryphen | imagemagick |
| 19:57.50 | Guillotine | wow. gello has done it again. gotta <3 him :) someone needs to get him into here |
| 19:57.53 | Iriel | Well, extract the alpha mask, rotate both, then recombine |
| 19:58.12 | Adrine | Slower than a compiled C implementation, rather. |
| 19:58.13 | Iriel | though you may run into the 'oh we threw away the data channel' problem |
| 20:01.16 | Shouryuu | yeah gello is really incredible |
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| 20:17.40 | Adrine | Hah! |
| 20:17.46 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/uiviewer/index.php?file=xml/LootFrame.xml |
| 20:17.52 | Adrine | List of the Blizzard XML files to test with. :) |
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| 20:19.49 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/uiviewer/index.php?file=xml/TradeFrame.xml is another that renders pretty closely. |
| 20:20.39 | Iriel | The minimap cluster has some issues 8-) |
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| 20:20.46 | Adrine | Heheh, yes, it does. |
| 20:21.02 | Adrine | Lots of 'em do, but hey, I'm happy that at least some of the blizzard XML renders recognizably. |
| 20:21.06 | Adrine | That's a major victory for me! |
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| 20:28.30 | Shouryuu | wow adrine that's really cool |
| 20:30.09 | Adrine | Dirty little trick at the moment - the file parameter will take a URL, so if you want to try on your own XML, just give the script a URL to your file. :) |
| 20:31.04 | MentalPower | will sending color codes via SendChatMessage() cause disconnects? |
| 20:31.17 | MentalPower | or will it just strip out the coloring? |
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| 20:34.24 | Wobin_ | oh |
| 20:34.27 | Wobin_ | That's just cool |
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| 20:37.28 | krka | what has gello done? |
| 20:44.16 | Guillotine__ | krka: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4730 |
| 20:44.48 | Adrine | That is brilliant. |
| 20:45.48 | Guillotine | I wish there were a way to hide all the boss panel updates on WoWI. I really don't care about those at the moment and they always take up 3/4 of the list |
| 20:45.58 | Gryphen | ya i agree |
| 20:47.06 | Ktron|WoW | I hate STV east side |
| 20:47.15 | Ktron|WoW | all you can do over there is die |
| 20:47.24 | Shadowd | What are you leveling in STV on a PVP server? |
| 20:47.27 | JoshBorke | Adrine: nice job :-) |
| 20:47.42 | Ktron|WoW | Trying to find Bhag'thera, who isn't up at all |
| 20:48.01 | Ktron|WoW | I've checked both points, and died like 30 times to the ogres, who see me from an enormous distance |
| 20:48.07 | Ktron|WoW | ignoring the shadowmaw panthers |
| 20:48.15 | Ktron|WoW | there's no effective way to deal with them as a mage |
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| 20:52.24 | krka | bhag'thera, which is that? |
| 20:52.37 | Ktron|WoW | the panther |
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| 20:53.09 | Qzot | Crowded today. |
| 20:53.15 | krka | found where? |
| 20:53.30 | Ktron| | no where at the moment |
| 20:53.31 | Adrine | Stranglethorn, just south of the ZG entrance IIRC |
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| 20:54.08 | Ktron| | there's two different locations-- basically next to the elite ogres on the east side of STV |
| 20:54.12 | krka | oh |
| 20:54.20 | Ktron| | if he's there |
| 20:55.08 | Ktron| | Nature damage = Mage's bane |
| 20:55.40 | Tem | hmmm |
| 20:56.01 | Tem | Anyone know of a way to force one texture to be on top of another texture that live in the same layer? |
| 20:56.06 | Iriel | No |
| 20:56.16 | Iriel | Items within the same layer have an arbitrary ordering |
| 20:56.22 | Tem | curses! |
| 20:56.23 | Iriel | Use 2 layers 8-) |
| 20:56.51 | Tem | alrigt, is BORDER on top of BACKGROUND? |
| 20:56.55 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/How_UI_Is_Rendered |
| 20:57.05 | Qzot|workAtHome | Dang. I *need* that. |
| 20:57.34 | Iriel | Tem: yes |
| 20:57.42 | Iriel | Tem: HIGHLIGHT OVERLAY ARTWORK BORDER BACKGROUND |
| 20:57.49 | Tem | yeah I see, thanks Iriel |
| 20:58.29 | Iriel | Oh, heh, it's on the wiki, I just dredged it from the xsd 8-) |
| 21:00.26 | Tem | yay! you can still see the background that's attached to the lower half moving, but it's not an ugly straight line anymore |
| 21:03.52 | zeeg | Anyone still play UO? |
| 21:04.00 | JoshBorke | Iriel: any info on my setpoint problem? |
| 21:06.06 | Iriel | JoshBorke : Not yet, I got a bit distracted the other night. The email's sitting in my inbox to remind me though. |
| 21:06.25 | JoshBorke | coolio. i turned off the second setpoint and it fixed the problem, just so you know |
| 21:06.40 | JoshBorke | s/turned off/commented out/ |
| 21:11.47 | Qzot|workAtHome | Iriel: Do you have an implementation of your versioning system running? |
| 21:12.19 | Qzot|workAtHome | s/versioning/embeddable library loader, complete with major and minor versioning/ |
| 21:13.04 | Iriel | Qzot|workAtHome : Well, there's my sample code, which implements it. |
| 21:13.57 | Iriel | Qzot|workAtHome : cladhaire and others have actually done real code with it |
| 21:16.17 | Qzot|workAtHome | k. |
| 21:16.55 | Tem | Qzot|workAtHome: cladhaire used it for AceHooks |
| 21:17.13 | Qzot|workAtHome | I'm halfway done with the alternate I proposed. Quite simple, really. But even though I strongly prefer to have the source code be the "versioning", I'd also strongly prefer to have a single standard rather than two. |
| 21:17.25 | Tem | Qzot|workAtHome: and I just released an addon that uses the embeded AceHooks if you want to see it |
| 21:17.59 | Qzot|workAtHome | Tem: Are we talking about the same thing? |
| 21:18.16 | Tem | yes |
| 21:18.34 | Tem | cladhaire used Iriel's stub versioning thing in AceHooks |
| 21:18.44 | Tem | I just released an addon that uses AceHooks |
| 21:19.09 | Qzot|workAtHome | Lua files that you can include in multiple addons that share if they're really the same, but make it so you don't have to have an addon with dependencies?? |
| 21:19.52 | Iriel | Yes, it's the same thing |
| 21:20.52 | Qzot|workAtHome | k. Sounds like as close as we're going to get to a standard. I'll deepsix mine. :( |
| 21:22.35 | Iriel | Well, yours had somewhat different goals, i'm not sure it's worth euthanising yet |
| 21:22.55 | Qzot|workAtHome | Hmm. Where would you draw the distinction? |
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| 21:24.56 | Iriel | Well, it sounded like your plan was to possibly include potentially overlapping subsets of a larger library in each addon |
| 21:25.08 | Iriel | Perhaps I mentally overengineered it based on your comments though 8-) |
| 21:27.19 | Qzot|workAtHome | Lol. |
| 21:27.39 | Qzot|workAtHome | Hmm. I think I had 3 goals, and 1 fear. |
| 21:28.16 | Iriel | Just 1 fear? |
| 21:28.32 | Iriel | I think the standard allocation is 2 fears for every goal |
| 21:28.35 | Iriel | so you're 5 ahead |
| 21:28.35 | Qzot|workAtHome | 1/ Be able to slap a library file in your .zip file, and use the functions, even be able to tweak the lib functions, and know that your code in that addon is going to be using that version of the library. |
| 21:29.08 | Qzot|workAtHome | 2/ Be able to have a large library, and not take a memory penalty for using pieces of it. |
| 21:30.33 | Qzot|workAtHome | Uh oh. Am I still here? |
| 21:30.42 | Iriel | We're waiting for 3, I think |
| 21:30.54 | Qzot|workAtHome | Hmm. Must be too long or something... |
| 21:31.13 | Qzot|workAtHome | Lol. There's something it doesn't like about 3/ |
| 21:31.23 | Qzot|workAtHome | Be able to have versions loaded by different addons, and share space, while being resistant to negligent software homicide. (Codicide?) |
| 21:31.38 | Qzot|workAtHome | 3/ Be able to have versions loaded by different addons, and share space, while being resistant to negligent software homicide. (Codicide?) |
| 21:31.59 | Iriel | 3 is the tricky one |
| 21:32.04 | Adrine | That seems like quite a feat. |
| 21:32.12 | Qzot|workAtHome | Fear/ string.dump will impose an unacceptable performance penalty at load time. |
| 21:32.34 | Iriel | I'd be more afraid that it wouldn't work reliably |
| 21:33.23 | Iriel | The biggest problem with 3/ is solving it tends to break the ability to do seamless 'upgrades' at loadtime, for addons that have a cache of data |
| 21:33.30 | Qzot|workAtHome | Actually, performance might not be that bad. It could well be that Lua is holding onto tokens that allow it to completely reconstitute the source, module whitespace. |
| 21:33.56 | Qzot|workAtHome | I don't think so. |
| 21:34.07 | Qzot|workAtHome | That's the responsibility of the addon, not the library. |
| 21:34.33 | Iriel | string.dump returns bytecode, rather than source |
| 21:35.41 | Iriel | The latter statement I dont really agree with, one of the 'prototype libraries' I kept in my head while thinking about this was one that provides GetSpellIdByName, efficiently |
| 21:35.56 | Iriel | i.e. by maintaining a cache of name->id mappings, and using events to manage the cache |
| 21:37.52 | Qzot|workAtHome | Doesn't the location of where variables saved make that pretty difficult, unless it's its own separate addon? |
| 21:38.02 | Qzot|workAtHome | s/s s/s are s/ |
| 21:38.25 | Iriel | I'm not talking about saved variables, i'm talking about data managed at runtime |
| 21:38.35 | Iriel | I agree that saved variables have to be an addon's responsibility |
| 21:38.57 | Iriel | though I suppose addons could delegate their variables to a library, that wasn't what I had in mind 8-) |
| 21:39.08 | Iriel | (PS: Qzot|workAtHome : I sent you some email) |
| 21:39.10 | Qzot|workAtHome | I don't think they can. |
| 21:39.31 | Qzot|workAtHome | iriel: Can't check mail from home without breaking this connection. |
| 21:39.44 | Iriel | Ah, joy of VPN's |
| 21:40.42 | Iriel | Qzot|workAtHome : Well, the addon can add ## SavedVariables: AddonName_Stuff |
| 21:40.59 | Iriel | Qzot|workAtHome : Then library:DelegateSavedVariable("AddonName_Stuff") |
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| 21:41.35 | Qzot|workAtHome | But if a player uses different combos of addons at different times, he might get inconsistent results, no? |
| 21:41.53 | Qzot|workAtHome | Ah. Nm. |
| 21:41.55 | krka | how can i LFG in UC channel while in badlands? |
| 21:42.09 | Iriel | Well that'd be a challenge for the library author, granted. |
| 21:42.40 | Qzot|workAtHome | This is addon delegating savature to the lib, but I'm arguing that a lib passed around this way has no right to expect any means to save/restore state. |
| 21:42.45 | JoshBorke | what's the vim shorthand to remove empty lines? s/^\n$//? |
| 21:43.04 | Iriel | Qzot|workAtHome : True, I was more thinking of complex event-managed cache data. |
| 21:43.23 | Iriel | Qzot|workAtHome : Like you do when you build your directed unit graphs |
| 21:43.39 | Qzot|workAtHome | "complex event-managed cache data" <-- Who said you were allowed to talk like that? |
| 21:44.09 | Iriel | I always talk like that 8-) |
| 21:45.54 | krka | someone said graph??? |
| 21:46.18 | Iriel | In the "graph theory" rather than "pretty picture" sense, yes |
| 21:47.01 | Iriel | (Not that the two can't live together in decorous harmony) |
| 21:47.42 | Qzot|workAtHome | They can't. |
| 21:47.47 | krka | i always assume it's graph theory |
| 21:47.48 | Qzot|workAtHome | You should know that by now. |
| 21:48.12 | krka | i am curious qzot, what do you use graphs for? |
| 21:48.24 | Iriel | Visualization teams across the world just felt a cold chill across their hearts |
| 21:48.26 | Qzot|workAtHome | Graph theory = painful proofs and O(n^3) algorithms. I.e. stress. Pretty pictures = information. |
| 21:48.55 | Qzot|workAtHome | I think Iriel was making an assumption about how PartyAims works, actually. But I don't use graphs there. |
| 21:49.06 | krka | what is PartyAims |
| 21:49.15 | krka | if iriel thinks it's graph related, it seems interesting |
| 21:49.19 | Qzot|workAtHome | My own mod languishing in beta. |
| 21:49.40 | Iriel | But isn't the representation inherently a graph, even if you dont use hardcore graph theory to derive/analyze it? |
| 21:49.44 | Qzot|workAtHome | Yeah, it's related. And I've considered expanding to a full-fledged graph system to account for pets of targets. |
| 21:50.00 | Legorol | g'morning |
| 21:50.09 | Iriel | Or did I assume it was already fully fledged and at present it's not quite so involved? |
| 21:50.09 | Qzot|workAtHome | Iriel: Yes, but then so are family trees 'inherently' a graph. |
| 21:50.11 | Iriel | Morning L. |
| 21:50.19 | Legorol | Iriel, did you observe LoadAddOn wiping virtual frame definitions before? |
| 21:50.24 | Legorol | I'm going to have to try that in 1.9 |
| 21:50.27 | Iriel | Qzot|workAtHome : Well, family trees ARE a graph 8-) |
| 21:50.38 | Qzot|workAtHome | So is IRC. |
| 21:50.52 | Iriel | Legorol : no, but then I tend not to put stuff in OnLoad unless it's frame related, and put stuff in .lua files instead, so I wouldn't have noticed. |
| 21:51.01 | Legorol | nor have I.. |
| 21:51.10 | Legorol | now i feel stupid about the whole thing :D |
| 21:51.13 | Iriel | Qzot|workAtHome : And, sadly, Akamai cache management, which I've got to go back to thinking about 8-) |
| 21:51.44 | krka | akamai? |
| 21:54.50 | Qzot | Yeah. I need to get a paper out the door. Biab. |
| 21:55.04 | krka | hm, collecting jawbones wasn't as much fun as i had hoped |
| 21:55.29 | Iriel | krka: http://www.akamai.com/ |
| 21:55.49 | Iriel | krka: Specifically: http://www.akamai.com/en/html/services/edgesuite_delivery.html |
| 21:57.33 | krka | cool, just got a blue staff from a level 40 coyote |
| 21:57.53 | krka | think i'll AH it |
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| 22:00.28 | Legorol | krka: you are actually playing? |
| 22:00.31 | Legorol | what has the world come to... |
| 22:00.41 | krka | yeah, who'd thunk it :) |
| 22:00.50 | krka | level 40-45 has been boring so far though |
| 22:01.02 | krka | kinda hard to chat at the same time though |
| 22:01.30 | krka | was easier as hunter than mage |
| 22:01.45 | Legorol | hey, how about we race to lvl 60? |
| 22:01.52 | Legorol | i've got a lvl 46 warrior.. |
| 22:02.05 | Legorol | however, doing it in less than a month is not allowed :D |
| 22:02.05 | Shadowd | You'd loose :p |
| 22:02.15 | Legorol | nah, i know krka plays slow too |
| 22:02.19 | krka | very slow |
| 22:02.31 | krka | i mostly play now to get rid of some rested state |
| 22:03.08 | krka | when it's full i can't earn any new rested... that annoys me :P |
| 22:03.37 | krka | i can level my staff skills while chatting though |
| 22:06.36 | krka | the multiplayer aspect of wow sucks, cant find a party |
| 22:07.00 | Adrine | It's totally all about the guilds :) |
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| 22:08.05 | Shadowd | naw |
| 22:08.12 | Shadowd | It's all about making level 60 friends and threatening them :p |
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| 22:09.27 | krka | but i play computer games to _avoid_ being social :( |
| 22:09.53 | Adrine | Well, Oblivion came out yesterday. |
| 22:10.16 | krka | yes, but does it run on linux? |
| 22:10.30 | Adrine | This is a good question, and I'd be willing to guess "no" :) |
| 22:10.44 | Tain | The answer is indeed, "No." |
| 22:11.08 | krka | annoying that i have to stand still in UC / org / tb in order to find a group |
| 22:12.17 | krka | ooh... just thought of something |
| 22:12.25 | krka | an addon for forwarding |
| 22:12.34 | krka | you message some guy that's in UC and he forwards your LFG message |
| 22:12.46 | krka | and you can subscribe to that from him, and get as privates |
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| 22:14.37 | MentalPower | what is the easiest way to hide outgoing whispers sent by an addon? |
| 22:17.23 | Kirov | I put some unique prefix on my chat messages then hook ChatFrame_OnEvent and do a string.gsub(msg, 1, 5) == "<FOO>" |
| 22:17.54 | krka | string.gsub? you mean string.substring? |
| 22:19.25 | Kirov | sorry, yeah, string.sub |
| 22:19.27 | Kirov | not gsub |
| 22:36.51 | Miravlix | Isn't that call to Arms, krka? |
| 22:36.54 | Miravlix | It forwards |
| 22:38.04 | krka | i wouldn't know |
| 22:39.09 | Kirov | what would be the use of loadstring in wow? |
| 22:40.39 | krka | writing functions in game |
| 22:41.12 | Adrine | It seems like that could be used to write an in-game addon editor, yes? |
| 22:41.31 | Adrine | Though, I suppose it'd be difficult to get the source into it to begin with. |
| 22:42.01 | krka | i was thinking more like writing short macros and stuff |
| 22:43.57 | Kirov | loadstring is the equivalent of runscript with out actually running it then? |
| 22:44.24 | Adrine | *shrug* |
| 22:45.57 | krka | the only new thing we get from loadstring is error presentation, afaik |
| 22:46.43 | Ratbert_CP | IF General Chat (maybe Trade): "Anyone making water?" |
| 22:46.49 | Ratbert_CP | Almost had to reply... |
| 22:50.15 | Adrine | Hm. This question will be answered easily with some experimentation... |
| 22:50.28 | Adrine | ...but is there a reliable way to draw OVER the UIParent? |
| 22:50.39 | Adrine | Like, with a frame attached to WorldFrame or something? |
| 22:50.52 | Kirov | isn't the world frame below the UIParent? |
| 22:51.03 | cladhaire | Adrine: Not sure what you mean... |
| 22:51.05 | Adrine | Well, it's the parent to UIParent, I think... |
| 22:51.16 | Adrine | I should dig through the XML :P |
| 22:51.31 | Kirov | WorldFrame is disconnected from the UIParent now, afaik |
| 22:51.32 | Adrine | My eventual goal is to be able to create a frame that could occlude any piece of the UIParent |
| 22:51.43 | Adrine | Including its children. |
| 22:51.54 | cladhaire | all we have is framestrata.. |
| 22:52.04 | Kirov | Isn't there a GetFrameLevel or something? |
| 22:52.16 | Adrine | So, I have my UI being drawn on UIParent. I want to be able to achieve a "fade to black" effect by drawing a black texture over the entire screen, and fading its alpha. |
| 22:52.44 | Adrine | I'd like it to occlude UI elements, as well, so it'd need to draw over even toplevel UI elements. |
| 22:54.39 | Cide | WorldFrame is BELOW UIParent, so you can't use WorldFrame to occlude UIParent, I believe |
| 22:54.54 | Adrine | Hm, ok, I was thinking tree-ish |
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| 22:55.21 | Cide | you could use the highest strata and a rather big framelevel |
| 22:55.22 | Adrine | My line of thought being "WorldParent owns UIParent, put a frame on WorldFrame at a strata higher than UIParent's, see if it occludes" |
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| 22:55.27 | Kirov | I hate that |
| 22:55.37 | Cide | but any toplevel frame would still get shifted to top |
| 22:55.42 | Adrine | Hm. Ok. |
| 22:55.51 | Adrine | It wouldn't be for long, so perhaps I could fake it. |
| 22:56.43 | Kirov | Adrine - during the fade, would you still allow people to click through? |
| 22:57.09 | Adrine | Yeah, the fade frame wouldn't accept mouse input. |
| 22:57.16 | Adrine | Just a visual effect. |
| 22:57.36 | Kirov | then yeah, you can't really avoid the toplevel issue |
| 22:57.48 | Adrine | Oh well. I can get close enough, at least. |
| 22:59.34 | Cide | well, heh |
| 22:59.39 | Cide | you might be able to hack it |
| 23:00.14 | Adrine | How so? |
| 23:00.20 | Cide | scan GetMouseFocus() on OnUpdate, set toplevel to false on any frame it touches during the effect, store them and reset it to the previous value |
| 23:00.24 | Cide | it might work |
| 23:00.36 | Adrine | Eh. It's not THAT important that I occlude. :P |
| 23:00.42 | Cide | ok then :) |
| 23:00.48 | Adrine | But I'll file the idea away! |
| 23:01.03 | Cide | but now... time to sleep. good night |
| 23:01.10 | Adrine | Night! |
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| 23:04.25 | krka | god damn stupid quest |
| 23:04.28 | krka | can't find the damn charts |
| 23:10.19 | Adrine | Bloodsails? |
| 23:10.40 | Adrine | They can spawn by the lone tent, in the rowboat on the beach, or on a barrel in the big camp of pirates. |
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| 23:12.10 | Adrine | Welcome back |
| 23:12.28 | Iriel | Adrine : Just create a single large frame, with the highest strata, doesn't matter which frame it's a child of really. Make it an all black texture and very its alpha |
| 23:12.45 | krka | checked everywhere for the charts :/ |
| 23:12.45 | Iriel | Adrine : Shouldn't be difficult at all. |
| 23:13.17 | Kirov | How are the cinematic bars done? |
| 23:13.25 | Kirov | Is that in client, or are those frames? |
| 23:14.34 | Adrine | Iriel: So parenting shouldn't matter, just strata? |
| 23:14.45 | Iriel | Adrine : Parenting matters for visibility, but very little else |
| 23:14.50 | Adrine | Kirov: http://wow.tachyonsix.com/uiviewer/index.php?file=xml/CinematicFrame.xml ! :) |
| 23:14.54 | krka | the boat had the orders... the big camp had nothing, the small camp had nothing |
| 23:15.20 | Adrine | Iriel: Aha, wonderful. I still tend to think of WoW interfaces in terms of HTML's rules. :) |
| 23:15.24 | Kirov | lol |
| 23:15.35 | Iriel | Adrine : Did you see http://www.wowwiki.com/How_UI_Is_Rendered |
| 23:15.58 | Adrine | I saw it, but misinterpreted it. |
| 23:16.13 | Adrine | My brain injected "strata matters in containers", in short. |
| 23:16.47 | Kirov | Has anyone dealt much with ScrollFrames? |
| 23:16.50 | Kirov | non-fake |
| 23:17.04 | Iriel | Kirov : A little |
| 23:17.08 | Adrine | ie, I have a container frame, frames in that frame are ordered relatively according to strata but universally obey the parent strata - which is a relic of my extensive steeping in HMTL :) |
| 23:17.23 | krka | ooh... now they just spawned |
| 23:17.24 | krka | nice |
| 23:17.36 | Adrine | I've really only used the fake scroll frames. |
| 23:18.40 | Kirov | hmm |
| 23:18.42 | Adrine | Are the strata just constants with integer representation, or is TOOLTIP as high as you can go? |
| 23:18.51 | Adrine | err, constants with integer values. |
| 23:18.53 | Kirov | I'll guess I'll have to experiement with mine some more then |
| 23:19.34 | Iriel | Adrine : TOOLTIP is as high as you can go |
| 23:19.44 | Iriel | Adrine : Now, yo uDO have FrameLevel within the Strata |
| 23:20.02 | Iriel | Adrine : That's just an integer value, but we've seen wackiness in the past with that (hopefully now resolved) |
| 23:20.14 | Adrine | Aha, ok, so I set a frame to TOOLTIP and as long as the FrameLevel is above the GameTooltip's, say, the GameTooltip should render under the frame? |
| 23:20.41 | Iriel | Adrine : Yes |
| 23:20.48 | Adrine | Excellent. Thanks much. |
| 23:20.51 | Ktron| | thottbot and allakhazam are really really slow today |
| 23:20.58 | Adrine | Thott's been timing out all day for me. |
| 23:21.08 | Iriel | Kirov : And yes, loadstring is like RunScript except that it doesn't RUN, you get passed back a function made up of the contents of the string (or nil and an error if the string wasn't valid lua) |
| 23:21.35 | Iriel | Kirov : What do you need to know about ScrollFrames? (The Quest and ItemText windows in the standard UI are decent places to look at how they're used) |
| 23:22.04 | Kirov | I'm using one for SimpleActionSets, and right now it's 120 buttons that are decently complex. |
| 23:22.46 | Kirov | There are some elements that only appear 12 at a time, and I'm trying to figure out how to position it with in the scroll frame. |
| 23:23.38 | Shouryuu | elfen lied is joyfully violent |
| 23:23.42 | Kirov | ie: same mentality as the highlight frame for most fakescrollframe setups, only one highlight instead of one for every element in the fake scroll frame |
| 23:23.45 | Iriel | Kirov: The quest detail frame is probably the one you should look at |
| 23:23.58 | Iriel | Kirov : Since that has a mix of objects within the scrollchild |
| 23:24.13 | Kirov | Talent frame as well, actually. |
| 23:24.20 | Kirov | hmm |
| 23:25.30 | Kirov | I'm guessing ScrollFrame windows exist as their own "world" as far as renderering is concerned. |
| 23:26.10 | Kirov | ie: you can't render over or under things outside of the scroll frame child that aren't already under or over the scroll frame itself. |
| 23:28.09 | Kirov | Another random question, how is the order in which frames received events figured out? I'd assume RegisterEvent() inserts the frame in to an indexed table, but does registering stick it at the end of the list or the front? |
| 23:28.42 | krka | might be random |
| 23:28.49 | krka | as in, placed in a hash table |
| 23:28.53 | krka | do you need to know? |
| 23:28.58 | Kirov | no, just curious |
| 23:29.44 | Iriel | Kirov : I'm not sure, I THINK it's order-registered |
| 23:30.13 | Iriel | Kirov : i.e. first registered gets event first, but i've not tested it, I keep meaning to but then coming up with something more interesting to look at |
| 23:31.06 | Iriel | Kirov : And my understanding of the scrollchild so far is consistent with your observation (i.e. it's rendered as a logical entity) |
| 23:35.09 | Kirov | I had some ideas at one point for alternates to function hooking via event arg modification. |
| 23:36.05 | Kirov | I don't think I ever came up with a good reason to use it though, heh. |
| 23:36.35 | Iriel | Those become a bit more dangerous now we have value tainting |
| 23:37.11 | Kirov | hmm |
| 23:37.24 | Iriel | But then so does hooking |
| 23:37.48 | Iriel | Though event arg modification has more potential for accidental tainting |
| 23:37.54 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 23:38.36 | Kirov | It'd be a global override so you don't have to attempt to support all mods that use a particular event. |
| 23:38.37 | krka | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=340831&p=1&tmp=1#post340831 |
| 23:38.44 | krka | someone want to reply to that with "luac -p"? |
| 23:40.39 | Iriel | He's actually posting 'here's how to do this' not asking a question |
| 23:40.49 | krka | yeah i know |
| 23:40.55 | Adrine | I think krka's point was that there's an easier way to do it :) |
| 23:40.58 | krka | how way of doing it seems kinda difficult :P |
| 23:41.02 | krka | s/how/his/ |
| 23:41.16 | krka | adrines interpretation is correct |
| 23:42.29 | Iriel | Though I did just post to say not to use lua 5.1, |
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| 23:47.13 | Shouryuu | well elfen lied turned out to be a rather good anime |
| 23:48.54 | Kirov | is Foo:Bar(stuff) equivalent to Foo.Bar(self, stuff) ? |
| 23:49.18 | Iriel | No |
| 23:49.27 | Iriel | Foo:Bar(stuff) is equivalent to Foo.bar(Foo, stuff) |
| 23:49.36 | Adrine | Hehehe |
| 23:49.36 | Iriel | I suspect that's what you MEANT, however 8-) |
| 23:49.43 | Kirov | yes >.< |
| 23:49.43 | Adrine | Very sharp. :P |
| 23:49.59 | Iriel | TECHNICALLY... |
| 23:50.10 | Iriel | It's equivalent to local f = Foo; f.bar(f, stuff); |
| 23:50.27 | Iriel | just in case Foo involves processing, it's only evaluated once in the : call |
| 23:51.30 | Iriel | If you want to see where that makes a difference, imagine if the global environment has a __index metamethod, and 'Foo' is "virtual" rather than in the environment directly |
| 23:51.52 | Iriel | And no, I can't think of any normal WoW situation where that's an important distinction to make 8-) |
| 23:52.17 | Iriel | Other than perhaps: this:GetParent:GetName() versus this:GetParent().GetName(this:Getparent()) |
| 23:52.18 | krka | just let Foo be Foo() instead |
| 23:52.19 | Iriel | But that'd be silly |
| 23:52.35 | Iriel | yeah, if foo is an expression it's much more obious |
| 23:52.55 | krka | you mean non-atomic expression |
| 23:53.36 | krka | non-atomic is not the right term though |
| 23:53.56 | Iriel | If foo is not a Name, it's much more obvious |
| 23:54.06 | Kirov | non-quantim? |
| 23:54.08 | Kirov | ;) |
| 23:54.19 | Miravlix | wth! |
| 23:54.23 | Iriel | Well, 'Name' is the term the "Complete syntax of Lua" uses |
| 23:54.37 | Miravlix | if true or true then do crap end fails in LUA? |
| 23:54.44 | Shouryuu | night folks |
| 23:55.05 | krka | Lua 5.0.2 Copyright (C) 1994-2004 Tecgraf, PUC-Rio |
| 23:55.05 | krka | > if true or true then print("hej") end |
| 23:55.05 | krka | hej |
| 23:55.05 | krka | > |
| 23:55.07 | krka | works for me |
| 23:55.44 | krka | > if true or true then do crap end |
| 23:55.44 | krka | stdin:1: `=' expected near `end' |
| 23:55.56 | Kirov | heh |
| 23:56.15 | Kirov | surprised it doesn't error at do |
| 23:56.25 | krka | why? |
| 23:56.31 | krka | lua has do ... while, i thnik |
| 23:56.37 | Kirov | yes |
| 23:56.56 | Iriel | You can just do 'do xyz end' to make an impromptu block |
| 23:57.00 | Kirov | hmm |
| 23:57.01 | krka | if true or true then do crap = 1 end end |
| 23:57.03 | krka | itneresting |
| 23:57.09 | Kirov | didn't realize you could do a "do" by itself |
| 23:57.14 | Iriel | handy if you want freaky local scopes |
| 23:57.24 | krka | i have previously used if true then ... end for that |
| 23:57.32 | Iriel | well, it's technically not by itself, you need the end |
| 23:57.47 | krka | do while does not exist btw, sorry about that |
| 23:57.51 | Miravlix | I can't explain why if UnitDebuff(1, "player") or UnitDebuff(2, "player") then fails for me |
| 23:58.01 | Iriel | yeah, it's while / do or repeat / until |
| 23:58.05 | Kirov | fair enough, but I didn't think you could do a "do ... end" with out a "for ... do" or "while ... do" |
| 23:58.14 | Iriel | Because unit is the FIRST argument |
| 23:58.30 | Iriel | UnitDebuff ("unit", index [,raidFilter]) - (x,x) API |