| 00:07.23 | JoshBorke | omg, i <3 dump |
| 00:07.49 | Kirov | lol |
| 00:08.05 | Kirov | I'm going to assume you're refering to DevTools and not the big shit you just took |
| 00:09.02 | JoshBorke | indeed :-) i just found out it'll dump a table for me |
| 00:09.17 | Kirov | it'll dump functions too |
| 00:09.25 | Kirov | and frames |
| 00:09.56 | Iriel | well, it dumps their names for you |
| 00:10.07 | Kirov | heh |
| 00:10.21 | Kirov | as well as any data held in that frame |
| 00:11.26 | AnduinLothar | iriel, don't spose you ever got a chance to play with fire |
| 00:11.48 | End | heh |
| 00:12.20 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Not yet, no.. i have some great ideas for a gui browser for 1.10 |
| 00:12.46 | AnduinLothar | don't really need dynamic frames if your ina scroll frame |
| 00:13.36 | Iriel | I was thinking for subtable windows |
| 00:14.23 | AnduinLothar | how so |
| 00:17.22 | Iriel | so when you're looking at a table that contains tables, you can click on the subtable icon/name/whatever and it can open a new window withthe child in it |
| 00:18.42 | AnduinLothar | as oppossed to Tree style |
| 00:19.18 | Iriel | as an alternative to |
| 00:23.05 | Kirkburn | Does Tomato style exist? |
| 00:23.47 | Kirkburn | Sorry, I got reminded of an advert from about 10 years ago ... "I want to be a tree ... I want to be a tomato" - for a building society of all things |
| 00:24.44 | Kirkburn | Btw, can someone just check over the description of Step Two on my addon details and see if it makes sense http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1424 (yes, I'm about to change it on wowi) |
| 00:44.06 | JoshBorke | if i were to make a bunch of casting bars, it would be better to give each bar its own OnUpdate function rather than a global OnUpdate that loops |
| 00:44.08 | JoshBorke | correct? |
| 00:44.56 | JoshBorke | ( Kirkburn ): looks good |
| 00:45.17 | Kirkburn | Thanks :) |
| 00:45.38 | AnduinLothar | for casting bars that just update the spark based on the current value, yes |
| 00:45.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | "March 16th Blizzard In Hot Water? -- Blizzard may be called in for compatibility with their popular MMORPG, World of Warcraft, because their box advertises that it works with 'Windows 2000 or better', yet there is no official Linux port of the game. 'It's a contradiction of terms', said one gamer, 'the box clearly says Windows 2000 or *better*, yet Linux isn't officially supported! It's false advertising at its best!' A Bliz |
| 00:45.56 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 00:46.06 | AnduinLothar | dumb |
| 00:46.14 | AnduinLothar | tell them to use wine |
| 00:46.27 | AnduinLothar | runs better than on windows anyway |
| 00:47.25 | Kirkburn | ?!?! |
| 00:47.46 | Kirkburn | Where on earth is that from? |
| 00:47.54 | Kirkburn | It's sounds almost as bad as The Inquirer |
| 00:48.22 | Kirkburn | (Fuad Abazovic is an incredibly bad reporter) |
| 00:49.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | Why, it's the headlines on slashdot. |
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| 00:52.36 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 00:52.59 | Kirkburn | Sheer fanboyism (is it actually serious?) |
| 00:55.37 | Cairenn | later Iriel |
| 00:55.54 | Crispix | is anyone having authenticating tonight ? |
| 00:57.00 | Kirkburn | "read the sticky" |
| 00:57.20 | Crispix | which sticky? |
| 00:57.22 | Kirkburn | And i'm an EU customer ... it's worrying |
| 00:57.41 | Kirkburn | Well, it's probably the one with 'server' in the name |
| 00:58.01 | Kirkburn | quick edit ... ahem ... "realm" |
| 00:59.43 | Crispix | what the heck is wrong with the game ?? :( |
| 00:59.47 | Crispix | I wanna play ;_; |
| 01:00.01 | AnduinLothar | it's saturday.. |
| 01:01.15 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, is it a known issue on WoWI that deleting archived versions prevents you making any other changes at the same time? |
| 01:01.40 | Cairenn | dunno, not sure anyone has tried it before ... post in bug forum |
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| 01:06.30 | Crispix | Daaamn |
| 01:06.34 | Crispix | I can't connect at all :( |
| 01:06.40 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, done |
| 01:08.22 | Cairenn | k |
| 01:14.25 | Crispix | awgh. Why in heck is WoW acting so.... stupid :( |
| 01:15.43 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, do you approve of my new sexified CF page? :P |
| 01:16.24 | Kirkburn | Since you'd probably ask ... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4283 |
| 01:16.59 | Kirkburn | I thought about going for pink, but I'm trying not to make people sick |
| 01:17.01 | Cairenn | lol, cute |
| 01:17.31 | Cairenn | see, you need to make your portal all cute like that :p |
| 01:18.13 | Cairenn | but then again, that's presuming you care about the portal one way or another, and you seem to still be pretty much in love with ui.wow, so ... |
| 01:22.19 | Kirkburn | You may want to look at my portal then ... since that is currently where I am :P |
| 01:22.26 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:39.53 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, it's now partially cute :) http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?uid=18594 |
| 01:40.49 | Cairenn | hey! |
| 01:40.52 | Cairenn | :p |
| 01:41.30 | Kirkburn | hehehe |
| 01:42.23 | Kirkburn | How can I make ClearFont reload every time fonts.xml is loaded (i.e. for loadondemand addons) |
| 01:49.19 | Iriel | You can't do it that way |
| 01:49.28 | Iriel | You can however register for ADDON_LOADED and re-check after each load |
| 01:53.28 | Kirkburn | I seem to remember you mentioning that |
| 01:53.58 | Kirkburn | Can you help me with some sample code? |
| 01:54.17 | Kirkburn | (it's fortunate that CF uses so little memory that I can do that) |
| 01:54.41 | Kirkburn | (or at least I hope it doesn't load the font files each time) |
| 01:56.00 | Iriel | I'm about to leave for dinner actually |
| 01:56.06 | Iriel | Basically just find any addon that registers for events |
| 01:56.14 | Iriel | And get the event structure from that |
| 01:56.28 | Iriel | you do this:RegisterEvent("ADDON_LOADED") when YOUR addon loads |
| 01:56.29 | Kirkburn | I'll see what I can find out :) I should, in fact, go to bed |
| 01:56.42 | Iriel | Then your OnEvent handler will be called every time another addon finishes loading |
| 01:56.50 | Iriel | with event == "ADDON_LOADED" |
| 01:56.54 | Kirkburn | okay |
| 01:57.13 | Kirkburn | *quickly copies the text to notepad so he can understand it 2moro* |
| 01:58.05 | Kirkburn | Thanks, and enjoy your dinner |
| 01:58.15 | Iriel | thanks 8-) |
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| 02:06.50 | Cairenn | you have *got* to be kidding me |
| 02:07.10 | Codayus | ? |
| 02:09.15 | Kirkburn | Don't leave us in the loop! |
| 02:09.46 | Cairenn | if you guys can't figure it out, I'm not telling you :p |
| 02:11.49 | Legorol | g'morning all (ugt, per Cairenn) |
| 02:11.56 | Cairenn | hey Lego :) |
| 02:12.05 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 02:12.21 | Legorol | Cairenn, forum post? |
| 02:12.28 | Cairenn | Legorol: ? |
| 02:12.41 | Legorol | the thing we have to figure out |
| 02:12.46 | Cairenn | no |
| 02:12.55 | Cairenn | just don't worry about it, it isn't important :p |
| 02:12.58 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 02:13.02 | Legorol | you tease! |
| 02:13.06 | Kirov | THaSoutHBeACHHoT ? |
| 02:13.13 | Legorol | <Cairenn> you have *got* to be kidding me <= too much for me to take |
| 02:13.29 | Cairenn | yes, the name :p |
| 02:13.47 | Cairenn | no offense Kenman, but O.O |
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| 02:19.48 | Kirkburn | Aww, I was hoping for an "offence taken" |
| 02:20.10 | Tem | grr! |
| 02:20.15 | Tem | I can't log in |
| 02:20.16 | Cairenn | *hug* |
| 02:21.10 | Cairenn | seems to be a problem for many atm Tem |
| 02:22.05 | Kirkburn | I know I posted this earlier, but for those who missed it ... I love the guy's comment on this mod http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2253 |
| 02:22.06 | Tem | aye |
| 02:22.45 | Kirkburn | (I feel he may have had a secluded upbringing) |
| 02:22.53 | Cairenn | rofl, omg |
| 02:23.09 | Cairenn | that is somewhat sad |
| 02:23.24 | Tem | awesome lol |
| 02:24.13 | Kirkburn | :) And with that I must leave! Enjoy the rest of your day! |
| 02:24.16 | Cairenn | I say "somewhat" because I have no doubt that I could look at some languages written and have no idea what language it is |
| 02:24.27 | Cairenn | have a good one Kirkburn |
| 02:24.50 | Kirkburn | Shall do |
| 02:27.24 | Kenman | Sorry, I was AFK |
| 02:27.49 | Kenman | "THaSoutHBeACHHoT" was a joke guild we made lastnight while griefing on outdoor dragons |
| 02:28.10 | Kenman | full name was THaSoutHBeACHHoTTieZ |
| 02:28.16 | Kenman | an inside joke, if you will |
| 02:28.45 | Cairenn | no problem, just I'm sure you can understand my impression that someone with that particular type of name would likely not be interested in the typical conversation in this channel |
| 02:29.03 | Kenman | hehe, you'd be suprised :p |
| 02:31.25 | Cairenn | I did say "likely" |
| 02:31.38 | Kenman | So, I have a request from one of my raid leaders, I was hoping someone here might be able to help |
| 02:32.21 | Cairenn | go ahead and ask, folks are kinda idling |
| 02:32.22 | Kenman | Bascially he wants a mod/macro that will swap dead raid members to a lower raid group |
| 02:32.49 | Kenman | ideally it would swap like-classes |
| 02:33.33 | Kenman | anything like this exist currently? and how feasible would it be if not? |
| 02:34.09 | Cairenn | I can't help you, personally, I don't pay overmuch attention to macros |
| 02:34.47 | Kirov | hmm |
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| 02:37.21 | Kirov | I can see that done in a mod, but in a macro that's probably stretching it |
| 02:37.29 | Kirov | not sure if there's a mod for that yet or not though |
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| 02:38.22 | Tem | I would avise against it myself |
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| 02:38.33 | Kenman | why's that? |
| 02:38.50 | Tem | I keep hearing people on my raids say that their game locks up for a second when any raid member is moved |
| 02:39.10 | Tem | that many movings of members could cause serious, serious problems for those people |
| 02:39.13 | Kirov | Tem - tell them to stop fucking around with old versions of CTRA |
| 02:39.27 | Tem | they aren't using old versions of CTRA |
| 02:39.32 | Tem | that was my first thought |
| 02:39.41 | Kirov | They're using 1.52+? |
| 02:39.42 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.47 | Kenman | I don't have CTRA but I experience that as well, using Nymbia's old-ass raid frames |
| 02:39.47 | Legorol | hm... i have the flag, i'm running from oppos like mad... bam! #132 |
| 02:40.04 | Tem | ouch |
| 02:40.08 | Kenman | But I thought it was just Nymbia's |
| 02:40.10 | Kirov | Actually |
| 02:40.17 | Kirov | ... |
| 02:40.31 | Kirov | Has anyone checked to see if old ctra works on the test server? |
| 02:40.36 | Kirov | ie: doesn't have lag issues? |
| 02:40.58 | Tem | I haven't loaded a single mod in the test server |
| 02:40.58 | Kenman | old CTRA is disbaled no? |
| 02:41.03 | Kenman | due to mana conserve |
| 02:41.06 | Legorol | how old is "old" |
| 02:41.12 | Legorol | and an entire AddOn doesn't get disabled |
| 02:41.17 | Legorol | maybe certain functions of it don't work |
| 02:41.18 | Kenman | well, 1.9 CTRA |
| 02:41.26 | Legorol | the use of the word "disabled" is not really appropriate |
| 02:41.28 | Kirov | 1.5 |
| 02:41.32 | Kirov | pre 1.51 |
| 02:41.43 | Kenman | have you not seen the reports that make you disable the addon? |
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| 02:41.54 | Kirov | Kenman - you can ignore them |
| 02:42.08 | Kirov | It's annoying, but it's not forcing the addon to be disabled |
| 02:42.13 | Kenman | hrmm ok |
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| 02:45.10 | Legorol | that message does exactly what it says it does: |
| 02:45.16 | Legorol | the addon tried to do something that it's not allowed to do |
| 02:45.23 | Legorol | the game *recommends* that you disable the addon |
| 02:45.27 | Legorol | but you don't have to |
| 02:52.17 | Kenman | rgr |
| 02:52.37 | Kenman | To appease my raid leader, I'm going to continue to work on it though :) |
| 02:56.45 | Cide | I haven't tested it |
| 02:57.01 | Cide | but I'm pretty sure any lag when moving a member is/was an engine issue |
| 02:57.09 | Kirov | Right |
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| 02:57.44 | Kirov | er |
| 02:57.46 | Kirov | that was odd |
| 02:57.50 | Cide | hi again :P |
| 02:58.06 | Kirov | Cide - If it's been fixed, it might be worth while to set them all back to lower strata again |
| 02:58.12 | Cide | aye |
| 02:58.16 | Cide | it's very annoying as it is now |
| 02:58.36 | Kirov | I've gone through a lot of my mods and set them to "HIGH" just so I can see them over my CTRaid |
| 02:58.50 | Cide | I spent I think 5 hours debugging with a blizzard employee, he could reproduce the lag ONCE |
| 02:59.05 | Kirov | weird |
| 02:59.57 | Kirov | I was able to come up with a 100% reproducable case for it causing the lag and not causing the lag. |
| 03:00.09 | Kirov | But it doesn't seem to be consistant for other people. |
| 03:00.13 | Kenman | So, what do you guys think would be the best way to catch a raid member dieing? parse chat/combat log, or would like PLAYER_DEAD be better ? |
| 03:00.26 | Cide | player_dead is self only |
| 03:00.48 | Cide | CTRA uses unit_health for raid frames |
| 03:01.10 | Cide | can't remember if it uses combat log or unit_health for MT deaths |
| 03:01.32 | Kenman | k.....do you know what sort of msg it is that's sent to the chat frame when someone dies? it's yellow, but wouldn't seem like a system msg |
| 03:01.44 | Cide | that's party only |
| 03:01.50 | Cide | but yes, that's system |
| 03:01.52 | Kenman | hrmmm |
| 03:02.45 | Kenman | so you think I'd need to scan the raid's UNIT_HEALTH every x interval for UNIT_HEALTH < 1 ? |
| 03:03.04 | Kirov | UNIT_HEALTH is an event |
| 03:03.05 | Cide | nah |
| 03:03.24 | Kirov | And don't dead people have 1 health? |
| 03:03.25 | Cide | ya, check if ( UnitIsDead(arg1) or UnitIsGhost(arg1) ) then -- Dead end |
| 03:03.43 | Cide | there is a function called like.. UnitIsDeadOrGhost(unitid) |
| 03:03.54 | Cide | but it didn't work very well when I tested it |
| 03:04.06 | Kenman | ok |
| 03:04.25 | Kirov | I do some hack with SimpleFeignHealth that checks if a player's health is 0 or 1. 1 is really dead, 0 is FD |
| 03:04.43 | Kirov | Might only work on the player himself though |
| 03:04.45 | Tem | Iriel, you around? |
| 03:04.46 | Kenman | ah, that's very helpful |
| 03:05.06 | Kirov | UnitIsDead is effective for everyone but hunters who FD |
| 03:05.10 | Cairenn | he was heading out for dinner last I heard, Tem |
| 03:05.13 | Kirov | You'll probably want to scan for debuffs |
| 03:05.17 | Tem | ah, thanks Cair |
| 03:05.17 | Kirov | er, buffs rather |
| 03:05.22 | Cairenn | np |
| 03:05.34 | Cide | scanning buffs was the most fool-proof way I foundf |
| 03:05.35 | Cide | found |
| 03:05.46 | Kenman | looking for what? |
| 03:05.52 | Kirov | Feign Death |
| 03:05.56 | Kenman | oh, right |
| 03:07.31 | Kirov | http://pastebin.com/610055 |
| 03:08.19 | Legorol | don't parse combat log |
| 03:08.27 | Legorol | oops, mt |
| 03:09.48 | Kenman | intersting site |
| 03:10.11 | Kenman | what is SimpleFeignHealth if I may ask? |
| 03:10.39 | Kirov | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3255 |
| 03:10.48 | Kirov | Keeps track of a hunter's own health after they FD |
| 03:10.54 | Kirov | (usually it's hidden) |
| 03:11.13 | Kenman | ah nice |
| 03:11.19 | Kenman | my main is a hunter :) |
| 03:11.25 | Kirov | Attempts to keep track of regen as well |
| 03:11.33 | Kirov | but, that doesn't work so well |
| 03:11.35 | Kenman | and I've wondered how long I have to lay there to get 100% |
| 03:11.51 | Kenman | eh, regen would only be marginally useful for me |
| 03:12.23 | Kirov | It's not perfect, since any damage that doesn't put you back in combat (aoe, etc.) won't get logged |
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| 03:14.04 | Legorol | most hilarious post on UI forum ever: |
| 03:14.15 | Legorol | title: Please help ASAP? Much appreciated! |
| 03:14.19 | Legorol | poster: Forumtroller |
| 03:14.24 | Legorol | i think i'm not even going to look inside |
| 03:14.49 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:15.09 | Legorol | another one, titled: "Can you create your own realm?" |
| 03:15.18 | Legorol | you know Cairenn, i always wondered |
| 03:15.22 | Cairenn | yeah, I liked that one |
| 03:15.26 | Legorol | you do actually read/answer some of these posts, how do you manage? |
| 03:15.57 | Cairenn | remembering that I was a n00b at one time, too |
| 03:16.38 | Cairenn | (short version) |
| 03:16.57 | Qzot | Lol. How many pages deep do you read, Legorol? I'm not seeing it... |
| 03:17.29 | Qzot | Poster=Gnomechomsky. I wonder how many people even get that. |
| 03:17.39 | Legorol | Qzot, i have it set on 75 posts per page |
| 03:17.45 | Legorol | its on page 1 |
| 03:18.08 | Qzot | Hmm. Time to customize... |
| 03:18.57 | Legorol | Cairenn, yeah but being a n00b and not using your head are 2 different things i think |
| 03:19.00 | Qzot | The final scene of Beetlejuice comes to mind. |
| 03:19.21 | Legorol | ok admittedly i am being too harsh/prejudiced here |
| 03:19.36 | Legorol | some people are technologically challenged, and don't have a good concpet of how things work and what's possible |
| 03:19.58 | Legorol | and WoW is probably the most accessible mmo |
| 03:20.30 | Qzot | Okay, Legorol, where do I set number of posts per page? |
| 03:20.59 | Qzot | D'oh! |
| 03:21.19 | Qzot | Could it have something to do with the "Threads/page" drop-down thingie?? |
| 03:21.23 | Cairenn | Legorol: I will admit that I am frequently finding it more difficult to remain patient with the WoW crowd than I do with the other MMOs |
| 03:22.07 | Cairenn | Legorol: there does seem to be a larger percentage of immature users |
| 03:22.20 | Cairenn | Legorol: note, I am not talking chronological age |
| 03:22.41 | Legorol | immaturity is one thing, technologically challenged is another |
| 03:22.46 | Legorol | the two are not necessarily the same |
| 03:22.57 | Legorol | i see a lot of immature, but techno-geeky 1337 kiddies |
| 03:23.20 | Cairenn | those that are technologically challenged are much *easier* on the patience |
| 03:23.28 | Qzot | Actually Forumtroller has a great idea. |
| 03:23.43 | Cairenn | because they genuinely don't know, but are trying to understand |
| 03:23.53 | Qzot | He's a rogue, and he has this idea for a macro that would let him switch which weapon is in which hand. |
| 03:23.59 | Cairenn | it's the bnet script-kiddies that I can't stand |
| 03:24.10 | Qzot | bnet? |
| 03:24.18 | Cairenn | battle net |
| 03:24.36 | Cairenn | but I'm talking attitude as much as actual group membership |
| 03:24.38 | Qzot | Of course. |
| 03:25.46 | JoshBorke | woohoo, guild just took down rag for the first time |
| 03:26.34 | Tem | grats! |
| 03:26.39 | Tem | what's the phatz? |
| 03:27.41 | Miravlix | First time is fun, 300 time make you wonder why you are paying to work this hard. |
| 03:28.46 | Cairenn | Legorol: to give the slightly longer version, of why I don't mind dealing with the technically inept, is because I remember what it was like when I was first learning how to code/do graphic work, I remember how frustrating it was when I couldn't get it to work, I remember the sense of accomplishment when it finally all clicked. I like helping others to *understand* how it works, because when if finally works |
| 03:28.48 | Tem | haha |
| 03:28.49 | JoshBorke | priest+rogue legs, choker of craptitude, some rogue ring :X |
| 03:29.13 | JoshBorke | (from a paladins perspective) |
| 03:29.16 | Tem | lol that's the best mage neck in the game |
| 03:29.20 | Kirov | I like the people who post who seem to have genuienly attempted to get the information on their own and are getting frustrated. |
| 03:29.24 | Cairenn | the bnet script kiddies though .... grrrr |
| 03:29.25 | Tem | I paid 100 dkp for it |
| 03:29.36 | Legorol | i always get a "Server busy" when i try to read a post on US UI... what's going on? |
| 03:29.45 | Legorol | helpmenowPLZ!!11!!!11!!oneoneone |
| 03:29.53 | Tem | heavy load becaue the login servers are crapping out |
| 03:30.03 | JoshBorke | band of accuria and choker of the fire lord |
| 03:30.40 | Kirov | I have Band of Accuria, one of the first on my server, I think one of only 3 in our guild... and I don't use it. |
| 03:30.42 | Tem | Cairenn, can I make a suggestion for the wowi front page? |
| 03:30.52 | Kirov | yay dorf hunter + dragonbreath cannon |
| 03:30.52 | Cairenn | Tem: sure |
| 03:30.53 | Tem | Cairenn, no more animated T King stuff |
| 03:31.05 | Tem | I think I'm gonna have a seisure |
| 03:31.12 | Cairenn | I'll tell Dolby :p |
| 03:31.38 | Tem | his work is crazy awesome, but the flashy stuff is working it's way into my brain |
| 03:31.51 | Legorol | Cairenn, i completely agree with you on the people who just need help and genuinely try |
| 03:31.59 | Tem | Animated adds really get to me too, but Adblock keeps me from seeing them |
| 03:32.02 | Cairenn | point of interest? you can minimize it |
| 03:32.13 | Tem | oh god |
| 03:32.15 | Tem | I love you |
| 03:32.20 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 03:32.26 | Tem | and I remembers! |
| 03:32.28 | Legorol | wow, i never new that |
| 03:32.29 | Kirov | hmm... I showed King how to do cursors, and he still hasn't released any |
| 03:32.32 | Tem | s/I/it/ |
| 03:32.42 | Cairenn | you can do that with every single block, except the skyscraper ad on the left |
| 03:32.46 | Legorol | Cairenn, speaking of King... |
| 03:32.51 | Cairenn | Legorol: yeah? |
| 03:33.01 | Cairenn | oh, don't even start |
| 03:33.04 | Legorol | what? i didn't say anything! |
| 03:33.12 | Legorol | :-) |
| 03:33.18 | Tem | will his stuff still work in 1.10? |
| 03:33.22 | Kirov | should |
| 03:33.25 | Legorol | most likely |
| 03:33.34 | Cairenn | Tem: yeah, that was one of the things I told dolby to put in, when we were first setting up the site |
| 03:33.36 | Kirov | Other graphics replacement mods still work |
| 03:33.38 | Cairenn | it does |
| 03:35.00 | Cairenn | I've got "top favorites" "most downloaded" "top rated" "latest feed" "exclusive tking" "link us" ".COMic" and "disclaimer" all minimized |
| 03:35.24 | Legorol | what about the stuff on the left? |
| 03:35.41 | Legorol | i can't minimize the ad :p |
| 03:35.45 | Cairenn | as I said, everything but the left hand skyscraper ad :p |
| 03:35.47 | Legorol | i wonder why that is... |
| 03:35.54 | Legorol | :D |
| 03:35.56 | Cairenn | because it's an ad |
| 03:36.11 | Legorol | but but.. can't i get a mini-ad? |
| 03:36.35 | Cairenn | I have zero say over that stuff, sorry |
| 03:36.41 | Legorol | oh oh, it's getting dangerously close to the red line |
| 03:37.00 | Legorol | i better stop here |
| 03:37.08 | Kirov | adblock |
| 03:37.20 | Kirov | I didn't even know there WERE adds on wowinterface |
| 03:37.21 | Kirov | =) |
| 03:38.27 | Cairenn | well, at least none of our ads are for cheap gold or pwr lvl or "true.com" :p |
| 03:39.15 | Cairenn | Tem: better now? |
| 03:40.24 | Tem | Cairenn, it's still there, but I can hide it easily |
| 03:40.34 | Tem | and the site apears to remember my preference |
| 03:40.41 | Tem | and that's all I need |
| 03:40.50 | Cairenn | that's what I meant, now that you've got it hidden, you'll never need see it again, unless you choose to |
| 03:41.01 | Tem | I <3 you guys |
| 03:41.07 | Cairenn | :) |
| 03:41.23 | Tem | everytime I think there is something wrong with the site it's because there is a feature I didn't know about+ |
| 03:41.50 | Cairenn | or there is something wrong with the site, so you tell us and we try to fix it |
| 03:42.58 | Tem | I've never found anything that was actually wrong |
| 03:43.36 | Tem | I'm on a buddy's comp right now and seeing the OG bar for the first time in a while |
| 03:43.45 | Tem | I see the look changed to match the site better |
| 03:43.49 | Tem | that's a good thing |
| 03:43.55 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 03:44.49 | Cairenn | there's also a "low bandwidth" version of the site now |
| 03:45.00 | Tem | sweets |
| 03:45.09 | Cairenn | that you can choose to enable all the time if you want |
| 03:45.21 | Cairenn | it'll be force-enabled on everyone on patch days |
| 03:46.02 | Tem | good call |
| 03:51.43 | Kirov | Aren't there new bag types in 1.10? |
| 03:52.20 | Tem | enchanting and herbalism I think |
| 03:52.44 | Kirov | Anyone seen one? |
| 03:54.05 | Cairenn | not I |
| 03:54.44 | Miravlix | Sounds good if it's the same as soul bags |
| 03:54.58 | Miravlix | I can put one in my bank with the larger room it has. |
| 03:55.21 | Tem | yeah I want an herb bag for my bank |
| 03:55.45 | Qzot | Tem, you serious??? WOOOHOO!!!! |
| 03:57.15 | Miravlix | I still think Blizzard went to extreams with the bank space |
| 03:57.28 | Miravlix | Especially trying to have some social clothes |
| 03:57.46 | Tem | money sinks-r-us |
| 03:57.53 | Miravlix | 1 char and 9 bank chars isn't enough |
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| 05:31.34 | Cairenn | night all, time for this chickie to get some sleep |
| 05:55.11 | AnduinLothar | sleep... hmmm.. what a concept |
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| 06:22.34 | Josh|Snooze | rargh, visor can be such a PITA sometimes :-/ |
| 06:31.08 | AnduinLothar | lol, what's wrong with it? |
| 06:36.42 | Josh|Snooze | well, i thought i was still having trouble with it hooking hide away from me |
| 06:36.56 | Josh|Snooze | but i disabled it and Show() still isn't working |
| 06:37.26 | Josh|Snooze | but i'm going to go to bed and think about what i'm trying to do |
| 06:37.28 | Josh|Snooze | g'night :D |
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| 06:50.29 | kaiden | Ok, tell me i'm not going crazy, i specifically remember reading from slouken that in 1.10 SpellStopCasting WILL require a hardware event all to it's own to function |
| 06:50.41 | kaiden | Did they ninja nerf the nerf due to complaints? |
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| 07:04.06 | Iriel | Not of its own |
| 07:04.19 | Iriel | Just requiring a hw event, like all the other hw functions |
| 07:05.13 | Codayus | I could have missed some comment by Slouken, but the initial description of it was always quite clear (I thought). That didn't stop a lot of people from misunderstanding it, and reading their posts may have confused you... |
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| 07:33.12 | Tain | hahah Penny Arcade's new, "Jesus is my Guildleader" tshirt design is awesome. |
| 07:34.15 | Tain | Hey slouken, good morning. |
| 07:37.43 | Tain | You know I was banned from WoW because I once ran Linux and there's a Best Buy that sells G15 keyboards not too far from me. It's true. |
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| 07:41.39 | slouken | Waa? |
| 07:44.03 | AnduinLothar | lol tain |
| 07:44.55 | Miravlix | I wouldn't trust most stuff on the forum, not even if I was standing behind them as they where typing it. |
| 07:46.58 | Tain | I'm still trying to figure out why I find it easy to have the energy to bitch about something here, but not type the same information in a message on the forums where it might actually catch the eye of someone who can fix and/or answer it. |
| 07:50.37 | Tain | Actually it just occured to me that part of it is simple bitter spitefulness. If I spend a full day trying to figure out why something doesn't work the way I want it to the hell with making it easier for the next guy. |
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| 11:03.47 | krka | time to cheer, krka is here! |
| 11:08.26 | Wobin_ | um |
| 11:08.27 | Wobin_ | okay |
| 11:08.40 | Wobin_ | how was that? |
| 11:08.58 | krka | lack of enthusiasm but i'll take it! |
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| 16:13.34 | [MoonWolf] | These gnomes are made for chewing, and that's just what they'll do. One of these days these gnomes are gonna chew all over you. |
| 16:13.51 | Cairenn | lol |
| 16:17.23 | Tain | I just hate getting them stuck between your teeth. |
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| 18:56.12 | Ktron | hey everyone... brief question-- anyone know whether wowi or ui or wowguru or some other wow-specific site hosts discord mods when discordmods.com is down? |
| 18:56.23 | Cairenn | wowi |
| 18:56.47 | Ktron | awesome |
| 18:56.57 | Cairenn | and trying to get him to just stay with us, stubborn male :p |
| 18:58.12 | [MoonWolf] | if Cairenn gets her way every group of independant hosters/comunities is getting hosted by wowi |
| 18:58.22 | Cairenn | not true |
| 18:58.32 | Cairenn | I wouldn't host Saien if you paid me :p |
| 18:58.40 | [MoonWolf] | okay |
| 18:58.42 | [MoonWolf] | almost |
| 18:59.09 | Ktron | What's wrong with Saien? something technical or just personal? |
| 18:59.15 | [MoonWolf] | he is an asshole |
| 18:59.16 | krka | weird... a russian girl who wants to learn german found me on icq and started talking with me in german |
| 18:59.42 | ckknight | alright |
| 18:59.43 | [MoonWolf] | for reference, ARE you german ? |
| 19:00.08 | krka | nope, and my german sucks |
| 19:00.14 | krka | even worse than my english |
| 19:00.16 | ckknight | Ktron, the stick shoved up his ass went too far in, so they couldn't retrieve it |
| 19:00.52 | ckknight | :-P |
| 19:01.11 | Ktron | hehheh |
| 19:02.37 | Cairenn | all joking aside, I've only offered hosting to a handful |
| 19:03.09 | ckknight | anyone know how old Saien is? |
| 19:03.31 | Cide | between 20 and 30, I would say |
| 19:03.33 | Cairenn | no idea, get the impression he's *at least* in his 20s |
| 19:03.55 | ckknight | hrm |
| 19:04.05 | ckknight | why is he such a prick, then? |
| 19:04.06 | Cide | he knows his stuff, and doesn't hesitate to let others know they don't (to put it in a nice way, I guess) |
| 19:04.11 | krka | no, am guessing 40+ |
| 19:04.15 | Cide | nah |
| 19:04.18 | krka | that kind of assholeness needs experience |
| 19:04.19 | Cide | he's 20-30 |
| 19:04.31 | Cairenn | he's arrogant and he's rude |
| 19:04.35 | ckknight | *sigh* |
| 19:04.36 | ckknight | oh well |
| 19:04.41 | ckknight | people just need to get along |
| 19:06.00 | krka | arrogant and rude sucks, i am just arrogant and annoying, that works much better :) |
| 19:06.04 | ckknight | and if they don't, there should be a cozy place in Siberia just for them |
| 19:06.06 | Cide | also |
| 19:06.29 | Cide | I can't stress enough that accepting Cairenn's hosting offers is a very smart thing to do |
| 19:06.39 | krka | actually, i hear siberia is not very cozy at all |
| 19:06.47 | [MoonWolf] | wait, its not |
| 19:06.47 | Cairenn | meh |
| 19:06.50 | ckknight | I know, krka |
| 19:07.06 | Cairenn | *blush* |
| 19:07.23 | ckknight | get a room, you two |
| 19:07.27 | [MoonWolf] | i have been on the wrong part of the internet for to long |
| 19:07.41 | [MoonWolf] | i read sexual inuende everywhere. |
| 19:07.52 | ckknight | lol |
| 19:08.02 | [MoonWolf] | inuendo* |
| 19:08.05 | krka | that wasn't innuendo, that was blatant :P |
| 19:08.09 | krka | i can't spell it either |
| 19:08.17 | Cairenn | heh, rather |
| 19:08.42 | Ktron | OMGZ INUNDO! |
| 19:08.43 | [MoonWolf] | you know what i ment. |
| 19:09.19 | ckknight | it's innuendo once and for all |
| 19:09.33 | Ktron | that's what I said |
| 19:09.34 | Ktron | OMGZ INUNDO! |
| 19:09.55 | krka | w00t, i spellinated it correctitious? |
| 19:10.01 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 19:10.26 | Ktron | omgz ur t3h spellinator |
| 19:10.28 | krka | sorry, correctiously |
| 19:10.38 | krka | forgot to adverbinate it |
| 19:11.01 | ckknight | ... |
| 19:11.01 | ckknight | lol |
| 19:11.04 | Ktron | ...that's my new favorite word |
| 19:11.10 | Ktron | 'abverbinate' |
| 19:12.52 | krka | what have i done :( |
| 19:13.36 | Cairenn | you abverbinated the channel |
| 19:14.13 | ckknight | channelly? |
| 19:14.16 | Cide | uhh.. I feel... stupid :P |
| 19:14.39 | Cairenn | mmrrh? |
| 19:16.13 | Cide | I think we're lacking some abverbination in here |
| 19:16.27 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 19:16.57 | Ktron | I imagine we're the most adjectivated people that's channelly on freenode |
| 19:16.57 | krka | hmm... i wonder how you adverbinate "fast" and "hard" |
| 19:17.14 | [MoonWolf] | and so , a meme was born |
| 19:17.17 | Cairenn | careful or I'll abverbinatoriz ur @$$ |
| 19:17.18 | Ktron | fastily and hardily? |
| 19:17.27 | [MoonWolf] | ~hail krka |
| 19:17.29 | purl | ACTION bows down to krka and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 19:17.32 | Cide | hardlydidly |
| 19:17.39 | krka | i'll nounify you all if you don't stop! |
| 19:17.53 | [MoonWolf] | nounify the hell out of me. |
| 19:18.03 | [MoonWolf] | i dont mind. |
| 19:18.18 | Ktron | You can beat my adjectivated moves! |
| 19:18.23 | krka | now i have to do a figureoutening of what a nounification is |
| 19:18.59 | ckknight | adverbinately done, Cairenn |
| 19:19.31 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:19.42 | Qzot | I love the intelligent conversation here. |
| 19:19.46 | krka | hmm... "noun" is a noun but "verb" is not a verb, does that seem right to you? |
| 19:19.52 | ckknight | yes |
| 19:20.06 | krka | we're highly intelligentificated people! |
| 19:20.26 | ckknight | mmm...gentry |
| 19:20.47 | Qzot | Chuck Norris uses no nouns. They're not active enough. |
| 19:20.50 | Cairenn | who's this "we" you speak of, krka? you're all figmentations of my imaginement |
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| 19:21.42 | ckknight | the imagination is such a great place |
| 19:21.46 | [MoonWolf] | the fact that you think us all up doesnt make you the center of the universe sister. |
| 19:21.57 | ckknight | just like you have the British Nation and the French Nation, you have the imagination! |
| 19:22.11 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 19:22.15 | Cairenn | no no no, you got it all wrong |
| 19:22.19 | Ktron|nounified | I've got too much busification to have a botherousity with the likes of you |
| 19:22.24 | Cairenn | it's imaginement |
| 19:22.48 | ckknight | that was a quote from Miracle on 42nd Street |
| 19:22.59 | Cairenn | I know :p |
| 19:23.12 | ckknight | good movie |
| 19:23.26 | ckknight | I'm surprised they got away with putting Santa in an insane asylum |
| 19:23.31 | Cairenn | but you still got it all wrong, you abverbinator |
| 19:24.29 | Qzot | Anyone else having problem authenticating? |
| 19:24.41 | Qzot | To WoW, I mean, not to parts of speech. |
| 19:24.48 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:25.11 | krka | i was just going to do an askening of your meanification |
| 19:27.15 | Qzot | Grr. Every time WoW hangs at authenicating, it was when I'm logging in. |
| 19:27.56 | [MoonWolf] | most logicallying |
| 19:29.21 | Qzot | Maybe. But when I'm logging on is *exactly* when I want authentication to go quickly. I don't really care at other times. |
| 19:34.33 | Qzot | Anyone in Draka atm? I finally authenticated, and tried to switch realms to Draka, and it's now >3 min to retrieve my toons. |
| 19:35.23 | Qzot | Hmm. I think it's time to do something other than WoW... |
| 19:35.55 | Qzot | "Session Expired". My first for that message. |
| 19:36.19 | Cairenn | not I, I'm on some other realm that I can't remember the name of :p |
| 19:36.49 | Qzot | I'd prolly be okay if I could get in. |
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| 19:45.25 | Ktron|nounified | anyone else watch enough STTNG to notice that the better the episode, the more boring the name, except for a few exceptions? |
| 19:46.12 | Cairenn | can't say as I have, Ktron|nounified |
| 19:47.53 | [MoonWolf] | Ktron|nounified, i disagree |
| 19:48.02 | Qzot | Egad. I find Enter World, and get dumped out to the char select screen. Weird. |
| 19:50.39 | JoshBorke | so others are having auth problems too? |
| 19:50.43 | JoshBorke | i have a friend who can't log in |
| 19:50.59 | [MoonWolf] | yep |
| 19:51.03 | [MoonWolf] | seen some complaints too |
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| 20:00.33 | JoshBorke | hola |
| 20:00.41 | JoshBorke | is healcap ready for testing? ^_^ |
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| 20:12.20 | zeeg | 1:03p | <Cide> he knows his stuff, and doesn't hesitate to let others know they don't (to put it in a nice way, I guess) |
| 20:12.20 | zeeg | 1 |
| 20:12.22 | zeeg | thats the way to do it |
| 20:12.24 | zeeg | :D |
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| 20:21.48 | cladhaire | If I put something with a 1.10 toc in it, will it have issues in 1.9? |
| 20:22.24 | zeeg | itll probably say its out of date or whatever it normally does |
| 20:22.34 | cladhaire | hrm. |
| 20:22.48 | zeeg | i dont think it'd have any real issues though |
| 20:27.08 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/gallery/files/felboarpng-id1207/ |
| 20:27.26 | zeeg | that looks tight |
| 20:27.42 | cladhaire | decent model |
| 20:27.45 | cladhaire | i'd upgrade to it =) |
| 20:31.09 | cladhaire | It gives Out-Of-Date.. but I think it should be okay if its only ahead one toc version =) |
| 20:33.24 | Miravlix | Anyone know of a full list of slow, immobilizing, stun, charm, etc. effects? |
| 20:37.25 | ckknight | I made a frame in XML, with a backdrop bgFile="Interface\Tooltips\UI-Tooltip-Background". Why is the background of the frame in WoW a grayish-white? |
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| 20:41.05 | Iriel | Afternoon all |
| 20:42.22 | ckknight | hey |
| 20:44.01 | cladhaire | Heyas Iriel |
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| 21:20.31 | Maldivia | ckknight: you don't even know what I'm smiling about... hehe :) |
| 21:22.06 | Miravlix | When you get hit by imp conc shot can use use HasFullControl() + UnitDebuff(name, "player") to detect the effect reliably? |
| 21:24.49 | Maldivia | UnitDebuff uses a numerical index, not the name of the debuff |
| 21:25.28 | Maldivia | but otherwise, if impc conc shot places a debuff on you, then yeah |
| 21:27.49 | Miravlix | Imp conc places the Dazed icon on you |
| 21:28.07 | Miravlix | But dazed and conc shot places that one too, so I need something extra to detect the stun |
| 21:28.17 | ckknight | 2 Dazed icons? |
| 21:28.32 | Miravlix | You can get 3 with Dazed, con, imp conc. :) |
| 21:28.38 | ckknight | hrm |
| 21:29.16 | Maldivia | is the name of the debuff the same - or just the icon ? |
| 21:29.35 | Miravlix | They all return as "Spell_Frost_Stun" |
| 21:29.42 | Miravlix | When working with textures only |
| 21:29.51 | Maldivia | yea,h I'm talking about the tooltip text |
| 21:30.12 | Miravlix | Tooltip is different, but I hate tooltip scanning sooo slow |
| 21:30.39 | Maldivia | no it's not, and it's not as if you're going to be running the code in an OnUpdate |
| 21:31.07 | Miravlix | Yes it is, in my opinion. |
| 21:33.27 | Miravlix | It's bad enough just running a spellbook scanner with tooltip onload, would be totally insane in onupdate. |
| 21:34.20 | Iriel | Maldivia's point is that tooltip scanning is just fine when you're doing it OnEvent, and NOT on OnUpdate |
| 21:34.40 | Miravlix | It's never fine in my opinion, I avoid it at all cost. |
| 21:34.41 | Iriel | And you've got the debuff texture check as a pre-filter on whether you need to check the tooltip at all |
| 21:34.59 | Iriel | It's the only way to get some pieces of information, avoiding at "all cost" is silly. |
| 21:35.01 | Miravlix | Tooltip scanning is a last resort when no other possible way exist to program the same |
| 21:35.11 | Iriel | Avoiding it "when you dont need it" is a good idea, generally, I agree |
| 21:35.36 | wereHamster | I think blizzard should add more return values to often used functions, like spell/buff/debuff names and buff/debuff school.. |
| 21:35.37 | Maldivia | Just make a request for 1.11: texture, name = UnitDebuff(index, unit, ...) |
| 21:35.50 | Iriel | YOu wont get it, but it'll be nice to ask 8-) |
| 21:36.11 | Iriel | Slouken's already said that there's almost no way they'll add functions to expose data you can already get via a tooltip. |
| 21:36.19 | wereHamster | almost each addon has a hidden tooltip which it scans.. |
| 21:36.35 | Iriel | I think 'almost every addon' is going a bit far |
| 21:36.43 | Iriel | It's a small fraction of mine, for example |
| 21:36.44 | Maldivia | yeah, buff/debuff tooltip scanning is so common :) |
| 21:37.04 | Maldivia | "overdrivelse fremmer forståelse" |
| 21:37.11 | wereHamster | ok.. so lets rewrite/hook UnitDebuff() to scan the tooltip and return the name and school.. |
| 21:37.14 | Iriel | Hopefully with 1.10 someone will write a good, small, embeddable library to do it |
| 21:40.00 | krka | how slow is tooltip scanning exactly? |
| 21:40.09 | Miravlix | They made dispel magic not do anything unless there is the right buff on the target |
| 21:40.11 | Miravlix | on 1.10 |
| 21:40.13 | wereHamster | local debuffTexture, debuffApplications, debuffName, debuffSchool = UnitDebuff(unitName, debuffIndex, showDisepllable, getTooltipInfo); |
| 21:40.35 | Miravlix | Please leave UnitDebuff alone! |
| 21:40.48 | Miravlix | I quite like getting backa texture. :p |
| 21:41.23 | wereHamster | from an addons view nothing has changed in the function arguments and return value.. |
| 21:41.33 | krka | i have not noticed tooltip scanning being slow at all |
| 21:42.24 | Miravlix | HasFullControl() returns non 1 when: I'm under Fear, or stun? |
| 21:42.34 | krka | wereHamster, why would you want to hook UnitDebuff to add functionality? wouldn't it be better to create a new function? |
| 21:42.39 | Maldivia | wereHamster: ohh, don't forget, have debuffSchool the same value for all localizations :) |
| 21:44.33 | wereHamster | If I would hook UnitDebuff() I'd follow the blizzard guidelines.. whatever they are (I think there are global variables for almost each returnvalue that can be localized) |
| 21:45.13 | krka | but why would you need to hook? |
| 21:45.36 | Maldivia | yeah, I'd have a UnitDebuffInfo(...) or something instead |
| 21:45.53 | wereHamster | was just an idea.. |
| 21:46.00 | krka | the only reasons for hooking afaik is 1) to scan data and 2) to perform other stuff but with the same parameters and return value |
| 21:46.47 | Maldivia | ohh... and just for something completely different: "And the other good news is that they're doing 26 new episodes of ''Futurama'' for TV and we're hammering out the deal now." |
| 21:46.52 | ckknight | woot. |
| 21:47.02 | ckknight | I love Futurama :-) |
| 21:47.08 | krka | Good news everyone! |
| 21:47.52 | Maldivia | above, a qoute from Billy Wests site |
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| 21:57.37 | Kenman | lua ignores whitespace, right? like it shouldn't be a problem breaking up a large if/then over several lines? |
| 21:57.54 | ckknight | right |
| 21:58.31 | ckknight | if it can break, it will, that's why you don't need semicolons |
| 21:59.03 | ckknight | but something like "if alpha and \n bravo \n and charlie then" will work |
| 21:59.14 | Kenman | k cool |
| 21:59.41 | Kenman | and I assume "if alpha \n and bravo \n and charlie \n then" will too |
| 21:59.50 | ckknight | oh ye |
| 21:59.51 | ckknight | yes* |
| 21:59.59 | Kenman | ok next Q :) |
| 22:00.06 | Kenman | _, rank = GetRaidRosterInfo(arg2) |
| 22:00.21 | Kenman | that should work where arg2 is a valid player in raid, shouldn't it? |
| 22:00.36 | Iriel | Lua mostly ignores whitespace |
| 22:00.40 | ckknight | doesn't it have to be a number? |
| 22:00.45 | Iriel | thre's only ONE case where you might NEED a semicolon |
| 22:00.55 | ckknight | where's that? |
| 22:01.24 | Iriel | f(g)(h)() |
| 22:01.40 | Kenman | ah maybe that's it, it's looking the index # |
| 22:01.44 | Iriel | is that f(g) then (h)() |
| 22:01.56 | Iriel | or is it ((f(g))(h))() |
| 22:02.10 | Miravlix | But you could use a , instead of a semi? |
| 22:02.12 | Qzot | Next Q? That must be my cue. :P |
| 22:02.21 | Kenman | haha |
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| 22:05.12 | Kenman | I'm looking @ WoWWiki, and I can't seem to find how to get a member's raid ID# |
| 22:05.34 | Maldivia | Kenman: there's no way, except scanning through all ids |
| 22:05.57 | Kenman | wow |
| 22:06.24 | Maldivia | Kenman: meaning: for i = 1, GetNumRaidMembers() do local name, rank = GetRaidRosterInfo(i); if name == "what I was looking for" then --[[ do something with rank ]] end end |
| 22:07.10 | Kenman | awesome, thx |
| 22:08.15 | Kenman | trying to h4x the carnival raid swapper to only work if the requestor is (a) or (l) |
| 22:14.42 | Kenman | ok, last question...for now at least |
| 22:15.00 | Kenman | hold on |
| 22:21.07 | Shouryuu | Fear and loathing in Las Vegas is one cool movi |
| 22:21.16 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 22:22.10 | Shouryuu | I need to read the book |
| 22:23.40 | Kenman | RIP HST |
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| 22:26.19 | Kirkburn | I feel like starting an organisation: "Addon authors for version numbers! And actually TELLING the downloaders them!" |
| 22:27.09 | Kirkburn | I was just looking at the lists of recently updated addons ... I'd say half don't actually give any kind of version number :( |
| 22:37.02 | Tem | Iriel, you around? |
| 22:37.13 | Tem | I'm wondering if this is a typo in the changes thread |
| 22:37.37 | ckknight | Kirkburn, I'm anal about my version numbers |
| 22:38.01 | Kirkburn | Thats, er, good to know |
| 22:38.23 | Kirkburn | Erm, in what way? |
| 22:38.44 | ckknight | I dunno |
| 22:38.46 | ckknight | not really |
| 22:38.50 | ckknight | I was just making conversation |
| 22:38.53 | Kirkburn | You do numbers for unreleased versions? |
| 22:38.58 | Tem | haha I do |
| 22:39.07 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 22:39.09 | ckknight | I don't, I don't upload it to SVN or anything |
| 22:39.15 | ckknight | even though I know I should |
| 22:39.16 | Tem | I have an addon that I've been woring on since october |
| 22:39.22 | Tem | it's up to version 0.6 now |
| 22:39.33 | Tem | (it's still unreleased) |
| 22:39.35 | Kirkburn | Except no-one's ever seen it? |
| 22:39.37 | Kirkburn | hehehe |
| 22:40.16 | Kirkburn | I suppose it feels like your making progress ... be a bit dull if you were still on 0.1 for 6 months |
| 22:41.21 | Kirkburn | I'd just like it if everyone had the version number in the title ... would save me a lot of clicking |
| 22:43.24 | Kirkburn | Now, what's even more annoying is someone picking up a very popular addon, doing one or two updates as if they're gonna be the main devs for a while ... and then disappearing whilst the addon is broken. |
| 22:43.34 | Qzot | Hmm. Is there an easy way to get the x,y pos of a frame relative to UIParent? |
| 22:43.36 | Kirkburn | a la EngInventory |
| 22:43.45 | Tem | well people have seen it |
| 22:43.49 | Tem | but it's never been released |
| 22:43.59 | Tem | Qzot, yes it's not that bad |
| 22:44.03 | [MoonWolf] | are you talking about compare again ? |
| 22:44.08 | Tem | yeah moon |
| 22:44.14 | JoshBorke | is there an easy way for me to know who the target of a spell is? |
| 22:44.17 | [MoonWolf] | finish that will you |
| 22:44.19 | [MoonWolf] | we want it! |
| 22:44.35 | JoshBorke | capturing click-casts, alt casts, and normal casts |
| 22:44.39 | Qzot | Tem: Paste? Or clean example? |
| 22:44.40 | Maldivia | I don't do version numbers, I just brand them with release-date :) |
| 22:44.55 | Tem | Qzot, local x,y,s = frame:GetLeft(),frame:GetTop(),frame:GetEffectiveScale() x,y=x*s,y*s |
| 22:44.57 | Kirkburn | Maldivia, that's still a version number tho :P |
| 22:45.26 | Qzot | Lol. No data in the wiki for GetLeft or GetTop. |
| 22:45.28 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: yeah... and if it's development version, it's [date] WIP |
| 22:45.31 | Kirkburn | Tem, what does the addon do? |
| 22:45.43 | Tem | Kirkburn, it will be easier for you to see what it does |
| 22:45.53 | Kirkburn | And how might one do that? |
| 22:45.53 | Tem | lemme find the link to the Screenshots |
| 22:46.29 | Qzot | Tem: If I'm going to use the x,y to compute offsets to position a different frame against UIParent, I'm assuming I ignore effective scale. |
| 22:46.39 | Tem | no |
| 22:46.46 | Qzot | Tem: No? |
| 22:46.59 | Tem | GetLeft and GetTop give you corrdinates in the /frame's/ coord system |
| 22:47.05 | Maldivia | hmm, Western Digital has a funny "file not found" page: http://www.wdc.com/404 |
| 22:47.10 | Tem | which is different depending on the frame's scale |
| 22:47.18 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 22:47.21 | Kirkburn | lol! |
| 22:47.23 | Qzot | Tem: Yes. And offsets passed to SetPoint *aren't* in the frame's scale? |
| 22:47.33 | Qzot | D'oh. Gotcha. |
| 22:47.56 | Tem | I don't completely understand the coord systems |
| 22:48.00 | Kirkburn | Maldivia ... I looked at and thought 'that's no very interesting', then had to do a double take when the pic appeared :P |
| 22:48.06 | Tem | ask Legorol for more about it |
| 22:48.19 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: hehe |
| 22:48.22 | Tem | Qzot, you might even find a Wiki page about the stuff |
| 22:48.26 | Tem | he was talking about writing one |
| 22:48.30 | Kirkburn | Best page not found error ever! |
| 22:49.56 | Tem | Kirkburn, http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,188.0.html |
| 22:51.55 | Kirkburn | tem, no worky |
| 22:52.21 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: there are a lot of good 404s out there :) |
| 22:53.07 | Tem | Kirkburn, hmm how about links directly to the screenshots |
| 22:53.16 | Tem | http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/3538/ss15ie.jpg |
| 22:53.20 | Tem | http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/1773/ss26zd.jpg |
| 22:53.24 | Tem | http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/8966/ss34pt.jpg |
| 22:53.40 | Kirkburn | Maldivia, I've been missing out :) |
| 22:54.04 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 22:54.13 | Kirkburn | What's still to be done Tem? |
| 22:54.18 | Kirkburn | (and nice!) |
| 22:54.30 | Tem | a new parsing system |
| 22:54.38 | Tem | the current one is messy |
| 22:55.22 | Kirkburn | What about other stats you might lose that aren't on the new item? |
| 22:55.25 | Tem | plus it doesn't catch things like Equip: ... bonuses |
| 22:55.47 | Tem | I'll also have to take into consideration sets in 1.10 |
| 22:55.59 | Kirkburn | Say the old had +1 int and the new one has no int, would it show that? |
| 22:56.04 | Tem | since I'll be able to see which bonuses you would gain-lose |
| 22:56.08 | Kenman | Can someone tell me what's wrong here? |
| 22:56.11 | Kenman | player1, player2 = string.gfind(arg1,"[S-s]wap (.+) (.+)"); |
| 22:56.11 | Tem | aye Kirkburn |
| 22:56.25 | Tem | Kirkburn, it puts a +0 Intellect (-5) at the bottom |
| 22:56.25 | Kenman | where arg1 is from CHAT_MSG_RAID |
| 22:56.27 | Kirkburn | Cool Tem! I was worried from those screenies. |
| 22:56.42 | Tem | yeah those are really really early shots |
| 22:56.47 | Tem | it's come a long way since then |
| 22:56.49 | Kirkburn | Kenman, I notice you name is an improvement on last night :P |
| 22:56.54 | Kenman | :) |
| 22:57.00 | Kenman | did you catch the story on that? |
| 22:57.06 | Tem | multiple comparisons for rings, and weapons |
| 22:57.07 | Kirkburn | Don't think so |
| 22:58.12 | Kenman | it was just the name of a joke guild we made on my server |
| 22:58.17 | Kenman | to grief on outdoor dragons |
| 22:58.49 | Kenman | so now that you know the story...help me! :) |
| 22:58.52 | Kirkburn | ThaSouthBeachHottie? Or whatever it was? |
| 22:59.14 | Kenman | yeah |
| 22:59.23 | Kenman | was supposed to be a Z at the end...Hottiez |
| 22:59.43 | Kirkburn | You have strange friends |
| 22:59.58 | Kirkburn | Anyway ... I know little-to-no code :P |
| 23:00.33 | JoshBorke | ( Kirkburn ): did you try with string.find instead of string.gfind? |
| 23:00.55 | Kirkburn | I don't know, did you *Kenman*? |
| 23:00.58 | Kenman | believe so, let me try |
| 23:01.02 | JoshBorke | blah :-P |
| 23:01.40 | JoshBorke | i found the best way to eat time while waiting on AV |
| 23:01.43 | JoshBorke | working on mods :D |
| 23:02.13 | Kirkburn | So, what version is the test client on now? |
| 23:02.42 | Kirkburn | (is it me, or is the testing a total mess this patch?) |
| 23:04.18 | Shouryuu | Why the **** do these walls have to be so god damn thin |
| 23:04.27 | Shouryuu | fuck I'm going to go crazy |
| 23:05.29 | Tem | sounds like Shouryuu has noisy neighbors |
| 23:06.25 | Shouryuu | no just a brother and his girlfriend |
| 23:06.42 | Shouryuu | a depressed one |
| 23:07.11 | Shouryuu | and damn I don't need depressed people right now |
| 23:07.46 | Kirkburn | Oww, that was more boring than I expected |
| 23:08.00 | Shouryuu | perv :P |
| 23:08.28 | Kirkburn | I like how you censored yourself for one line only |
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| 23:08.40 | Shouryuu | does the term "state" as in the body who represents the people, law and order, take a capitle "s" in english? |
| 23:08.51 | Shouryuu | hehe sorry |
| 23:08.53 | Kirkburn | I would say yes |
| 23:09.00 | Shouryuu | it doe in french, just curious |
| 23:09.18 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, shouldn't you be protesting? |
| 23:09.26 | Kirkburn | It looked like it was exciting last night |
| 23:09.51 | Kirkburn | Although, Belarus might be a better bet 2nite |
| 23:09.52 | Shouryuu | hehe things have calmed down |
| 23:09.56 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:10.04 | Shouryuu | They shoot on people in Belarus |
| 23:10.12 | Shouryuu | french are peacuful |
| 23:10.14 | Kirkburn | Shoot *on* people? |
| 23:10.21 | Shouryuu | nay |
| 23:10.25 | Kirkburn | aye |
| 23:10.37 | Shouryuu | but It's not the type of place I'd go protest |
| 23:10.45 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I would agree with you there |
| 23:10.54 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure it's a place I'd go. Period. |
| 23:11.00 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:11.25 | Kirkburn | The last European police state ... |
| 23:11.41 | Shouryuu | And do you guys think it's shocking having a bunch of 18 year old throwing bottles and stones on Anti-riot police? |
| 23:12.03 | Kirkburn | Yeah, the french do that all the time |
| 23:12.12 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:12.22 | Shouryuu | It just sounds normal to me |
| 23:12.35 | Shouryuu | They're just anarchist kids |
| 23:12.54 | Kirkburn | Kids will have their fun |
| 23:13.34 | Shouryuu | I'd rather have them throw bottles and yell "Death to the state" than be dreaming of how to become the next bill gates by exploiting 12 years old in china... |
| 23:15.29 | Kirkburn | Microsoft exploits 12 year old in China? |
| 23:15.40 | Shouryuu | not what I ment |
| 23:15.46 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 23:15.51 | Shouryuu | Bill Gates = $$$ |
| 23:16.02 | Kirkburn | Poor man |
| 23:16.05 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:16.21 | Shouryuu | and your name stresses me |
| 23:16.28 | Shouryuu | it has the same number of letter as mine does |
| 23:16.38 | Shouryuu | creates this clean line of text when we talk |
| 23:16.46 | Kirkburn | It's true |
| 23:16.49 | Shouryuu|Differe | there |
| 23:17.02 | Kirkburn|Sameish | There |
| 23:17.16 | Shouryuu|bully | there |
| 23:17.36 | Kirkburn|vctim | maybe |
| 23:17.59 | Kirkburn|vctim | You could turn on name colouring |
| 23:18.19 | Kirkburn|vctim | You've gone from purple to green to yellow now. |
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| 23:19.00 | Shouryuu|bully | I might need to know how to do that though |
| 23:20.33 | Shouryuu|bully | don't think it can be done with Xircon |
| 23:22.01 | Shouryuu | what would be the opposite of Benefits, as in "pros" |
| 23:24.05 | Shouryuu | aawwwww great, my roomate and here girlfriend came home... |
| 23:25.14 | Cairenn | Shouryuu: "cons" |
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| 23:26.54 | Shouryuu | Somehow |
| 23:27.07 | Shouryuu | I was expecting that. But Benefits and cons, don't soudn too god =( |
| 23:27.38 | Cairenn | you said "pros" so I said "cons" |
| 23:27.46 | Cairenn | deficits |
| 23:29.49 | Kirkburn | "disadvantage, handicap, harm, hindrance, hurt, loss, misfortune" |
| 23:32.14 | Cairenn | what is the context in which you are using it, Shouryuu? |
| 23:33.33 | JoshBorke | is there an easy way for me to know who the target of a spell I cast is? ie click-casts, self-cast, and normal casts? |
| 23:34.24 | JoshBorke | or do i just have to hook those functions? |
| 23:35.00 | Shouryuu | I'm basicly telling someone that if he chooses to live in a society, he has to accept every rule that society has instored, in order to enjoy the benefits of living in society. He has to accept the Xs in order to reap the benifits |
| 23:35.25 | Cairenn | disadvantages, probably |
| 23:35.36 | Shouryuu | more like moral responsibilty |
| 23:35.58 | Shouryuu | but that's a bit to pompous |
| 23:36.02 | Cairenn | just use responsibility |
| 23:36.08 | Shouryuu | yeah I guess |
| 23:36.38 | MentalPower | JoshBorke: hooks :) |
| 23:36.53 | Shouryuu | I hate philosphy, "does the State reduce your freedom" =( |
| 23:37.02 | JoshBorke | /cry |
| 23:37.32 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, that's pretty damn wide-ranging |
| 23:37.40 | Shouryuu | don't tell me |
| 23:37.54 | Shouryuu | but we're studying Rousseau |
| 23:38.01 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, that's pretty damn wide-ranging |
| 23:38.04 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 23:38.10 | Shouryuu | so we basicly know where we're going |
| 23:38.20 | JoshBorke | ok, so, if i want to capture all healing spells that I do, for click-casting, how would i go about that? |
| 23:38.32 | JoshBorke | what wolud i hook? |
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| 23:39.52 | Kirkburn | Help him! |
| 23:39.58 | Shouryuu | I'm a "dirty" coder but I'd basicly parse the tooltip and save the last name before the cast, but I'm dirty... |
| 23:39.59 | JoshBorke | alternatively if there is a mod you know off hand i could look at, that would be good too |
| 23:41.03 | Kirkburn | (lol, I think I need to reinstall a pdf reader, one just tried to open in notepad) |
| 23:41.15 | Shouryuu | I guess you'll need Mental Powers to read what Mentalpower's wanted you to hook... |
| 23:42.04 | MentalPower | for pointer's look inside CastOptions or a similar addon |
| 23:42.22 | Kirkburn | ((Who is Marcia Brady?)) |
| 23:42.37 | ckknight | Marcia, Marcia, Marcia! |
| 23:42.39 | Kirkburn | Yes, CastOptions which nearly killed my paladin :P |
| 23:43.00 | Shouryuu | They can die? |
| 23:43.05 | Kirkburn | Paladin Assistant + Cast Options = Unhappyness |
| 23:43.14 | Shouryuu | didn't you just Shield or something |
| 23:43.15 | MentalPower | lol |
| 23:43.16 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:44.07 | Kirkburn | I spent the first minute of SM healing solely myself after forgetting to turn it off |
| 23:44.42 | Kirkburn | I almost started shouting at the screen "Heal HIM! Heal HIM! Not me! HIM! Gah!" |
| 23:45.19 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:45.20 | Kirkburn | (because I had no target and the macro was being overriden by selfcast) |
| 23:46.14 | Kirkburn | So then, who is Marcia Brady (and why would JD want to marry her? Scrubs ftw) |
| 23:46.23 | Cairenn | the Brady bunch |
| 23:46.36 | Cairenn | old TV show |
| 23:47.17 | Kirkburn | Something to google then :) |
| 23:47.28 | Shouryuu | aww you don't know the Brady bunch? |
| 23:47.50 | Kirkburn | I don't think I've ever seen it listed on UK TV |
| 23:48.03 | ckknight | odd |
| 23:48.22 | ckknight | btw, we all secretly want to marry Marcia Brady |
| 23:48.29 | Cairenn | not all of us :p |
| 23:48.37 | ckknight | yes, even you, Cairenn |
| 23:48.38 | ckknight | deep down |
| 23:48.46 | Cairenn | nu uh |
| 23:48.48 | ckknight | or maybe Peter Brady's your cup of tea |
| 23:48.48 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:49.06 | Kirkburn | Maybe I do recognise her |
| 23:49.16 | ckknight | I'm surprised the Brady kids never hooked up |
| 23:49.20 | ckknight | I mean, 3 boys, 3 girls |
| 23:49.28 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:49.36 | Kirkburn | Now maybe I just don't knwo the program ... but, er ... incest? |
| 23:49.40 | ckknight | someone would've had to've played doctor somewhere along the road |
| 23:49.48 | Shouryuu | ... |
| 23:49.55 | Shouryuu | Heretic! |
| 23:49.59 | Kirkburn | :s |
| 23:50.03 | ckknight | the 3 sons were from the father, 3 daughters from the mother |
| 23:50.07 | ckknight | they weren't blood relatives |
| 23:50.17 | Kirkburn | well that's okay then |
| 23:50.32 | ckknight | according to the incest support groups, step-brothers/sisters are still off-limits, though |
| 23:50.35 | ckknight | grr |
| 23:50.45 | Kirkburn | ckknight, do I detect resentment? |
| 23:50.52 | ckknight | lol |
| 23:50.52 | ckknight | no |
| 23:51.00 | Kirkburn | I think I do |
| 23:51.10 | ckknight | I don't have any sisters/step-sisters |
| 23:51.11 | Kirkburn | Sounds like you had a nice step-sister to me |
| 23:51.24 | Kirkburn | Sure you don't |
| 23:51.28 | ckknight | right |
| 23:51.29 | ckknight | I don't |
| 23:51.30 | Shouryuu | lol |
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| 23:51.46 | Kirkburn | ckknight wants to marry his sister! |
| 23:51.50 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:52.04 | Kirkburn | Must. Spread. Rumour. |
| 23:52.20 | Kirkburn | My cousin grew up thinking her mother was her sister |
| 23:52.25 | ckknight | I have no sisters |
| 23:52.28 | ckknight | lol |
| 23:52.29 | Shouryuu | what?! |
| 23:52.48 | ckknight | when your grandma's called mom and your mom is Pam, you know you've got issues |
| 23:53.10 | Kirkburn | Yes, I was a little surprised by it all |
| 23:53.27 | Kirkburn | Australians ... *tuts* |
| 23:53.45 | ckknight | pohmmy bastards |
| 23:53.54 | Kirkburn | She found out when she was in her twenties I think |
| 23:54.17 | Shouryuu | my god |
| 23:54.28 | Kirkburn | It was back in the day when it was somewhat looked down upon (well, more than now) to have such a young mother |
| 23:55.49 | Shouryuu | what was to age != |
| 23:56.00 | Kirkburn | It was a strange day when I found out. Mostly I was utterly confused (and 12) |
| 23:56.07 | Kirkburn | I think 16 |
| 23:56.12 | ckknight | hrm |
| 23:56.23 | Shouryuu | ah |
| 23:56.26 | Shouryuu | that is indeed |
| 23:56.28 | ckknight | what year would it have been? |
| 23:56.29 | ckknight | jw |
| 23:56.39 | ckknight | that she had the baby, I mea |
| 23:56.40 | ckknight | mean* |
| 23:57.16 | Kirkburn | Early seventies I think |
| 23:57.20 | ckknight | my mom has told me stories of her day where girls, through lack of sexual education, didn't know what sex was, so boys took advantage of them |
| 23:57.21 | ckknight | hrm |
| 23:57.33 | ckknight | that's still pretty recent |
| 23:57.39 | ckknight | and after the 60's sex craze |
| 23:57.53 | Kirkburn | Australia has changed a lot recently |
| 23:58.15 | ckknight | how so? |
| 23:58.22 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure of the history, but I think the 60s came to australia a bit later (if that makes sense) |
| 23:58.32 | ckknight | yea, it does |
| 23:58.40 | ckknight | the culture of the 60's |
| 23:58.43 | Kirkburn | It wasn't as forgiving at the time |
| 23:58.58 | Kirkburn | But anyways, all families have their secrets :P |
| 23:59.15 | ckknight | yep |
| 23:59.27 | ckknight | and somehow those secrets always get told to the children |
| 23:59.33 | Shouryuu | lol |
