| 00:01.54 | Shadowd | Offtopic but, what Layer level would you use if you wanted to change the opacity of the main frame but not the text inside the layer? |
| 00:01.57 | Shadowd | If that makes any sense |
| 00:02.07 | cladhaire | Shadowd: It just can't be a child. |
| 00:02.13 | cladhaire | Have them in seperate layers |
| 00:02.33 | cladhaire | It all depends specifically what you want to do =) |
| 00:02.54 | Adrine | I am curious about one thing re: the signing... |
| 00:02.54 | Adrine | Is the signing ever intended to be used on non-Blizzard addons? If not, when why the "secure/insecure" terminology (or even the lock/broken lock graphic)? Seems like that choice of words invites undereducated user panic, given the semi-regular outbreaks of "oh noes, Cosmos stole my cookies" |
| 00:02.55 | cladhaire | slouken: It was nice to see all the stickies drop off after you made the call denial silent... hopefully we can get rid of the rest of the ZOMG everything's breaking threads and we'll be in quiet-happy-dev-land again |
| 00:03.46 | Tain | Wait where is this quiet-happy-dev-land? I don't believe I've ever been to such a place. |
| 00:03.57 | Shadowd | cladhaire: Have an overlay that lets you set the opacity of the border and the background, but it effects the FontString's inside the layer so if you set it to 0 then the FontString's disapear too. The fontstrings are inside a background layer level. |
| 00:04.20 | Adrine | I think cladhaire is saying to put them in separate layers |
| 00:04.27 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 00:04.27 | End | Tain, I've been there. IT IS A LIE. |
| 00:04.37 | cladhaire | put the artwork in "ARTWORK" and the fontstrings in "OVERLAY" |
| 00:05.20 | slouken | fontstrings are always rendered over the textures in a given layer. |
| 00:05.50 | Shadowd | Doesn't look like I can do that cladhaire, was kind of guessing at the FrameXML. *goes and puts it on pastebin* |
| 00:06.04 | cladhaire | Perfect, I'll take a look at what you're working on |
| 00:06.06 | Miravlix | Cosmos stole your cookie? |
| 00:06.14 | slouken | I wanna cookie! |
| 00:06.19 | Miravlix | I didn't know we had that feature; I have to find out where we put them |
| 00:06.27 | Adrine | It kicked my dog, too :( |
| 00:06.31 | Shadowd | Damn, not sure if thats sarcasm or not :p |
| 00:06.38 | Tain | C is for cookie, that's good enough for me. |
| 00:06.47 | End | mmm...cookie.... |
| 00:06.53 | cladhaire | We're all on crack.. and this isn't even the full crew |
| 00:07.28 | End | yeah, Iriel and Cairenn aren't here for starters! and by not here I mean silent or gone |
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| 00:07.40 | Tem | hey slouken I just made use of a frame API that I don't think has ever been used |
| 00:07.43 | Tem | I'm so proud of myself |
| 00:07.49 | End | which is that? |
| 00:07.53 | Tem | DisableDrawLayer |
| 00:07.56 | Shadowd | http://wow.pastebin.com/604545 probably completly wrong. |
| 00:08.06 | End | ah |
| 00:08.33 | cladhaire | And you want to hide the backdrop, background etc but not the fontstrings? |
| 00:08.34 | Tem | I'm playing with the TradeSkillFrame |
| 00:08.52 | Shadowd | correct |
| 00:08.53 | Tem | but it's border textures don't have names |
| 00:09.07 | Tem | but they are all conveniently in the Border layer |
| 00:09.25 | Tem | so TradeSkillFrame:DisableDrawLayer("BORDER") hides them all real nice |
| 00:09.36 | End | hmm, I should stop hanging around and go home |
| 00:09.47 | cladhaire | Shadowd: You should be able to SetBackdropColor(r,g,b,0) to hide the border and background without hiding the font. |
| 00:10.08 | Shadowd | cladhaire: Great thanks |
| 00:10.50 | cladhaire | Shadowd: If you had textures you could also set that alpha manually.. just give yourself a HideFrame method that makes the changes all together. |
| 00:11.08 | cladhaire | Tem: That's fun! |
| 00:11.15 | Shadowd | alright will keep that in mind |
| 00:11.40 | Tem | cladhaire: I know! play around with other frames |
| 00:12.11 | cladhaire | ooh what fun minimap tricks can i play =)\ |
| 00:12.12 | Miravlix | Talking about tradeskill frames, people need to learn to NOT CLEAR THE USERS collapsed/expanded state |
| 00:12.36 | Miravlix | And I need to write an addon that stores it between sessions. |
| 00:12.56 | Tem | hey |
| 00:13.09 | Tem | that stuff is a SERIOUS pain |
| 00:13.26 | Tem | in fact, slouken, would you kick the person who wrote that for me? |
| 00:13.37 | Adrine | What I'd like to do is an addon that gives a text box at the top of each tradeskill frame |
| 00:13.43 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:13.45 | Adrine | Type in it and the list filters itself accordingly :) |
| 00:13.46 | Miravlix | Sky has a save/restore function for the quest frame, but as long as everyone isn't using it, it gets messed up |
| 00:13.57 | Tem | Adrine: I've written an addon that does that |
| 00:14.03 | Adrine | Tem: LINK PLZ |
| 00:14.04 | Adrine | :) |
| 00:14.10 | Tem | it's horribly outdated |
| 00:14.14 | cladhaire | slouken: So when are Rislyn and Horkin gonna come hang out with us? |
| 00:14.14 | Adrine | It's better than nothing! |
| 00:14.16 | Tem | I'm making it work right now |
| 00:14.17 | Adrine | And hey, maybe I can update it. |
| 00:14.20 | Adrine | Or that works too. |
| 00:14.27 | Adrine | I just. Really dislike the stock UI. |
| 00:14.31 | Tem | It's been out of date since like 1.7 |
| 00:14.33 | Kirov | no one wants to answer my macro question >.< |
| 00:14.41 | cladhaire | Kirov: What macro question? |
| 00:14.45 | Tem | and I feel bad for letting it rot so long |
| 00:14.53 | Adrine | Eh. I did that with Sanity. |
| 00:15.01 | Adrine | I tend to fire-and-forget. :) |
| 00:15.05 | Kirov | what reason for not allowing acces to a macro's actualy index vs. it's sorted index |
| 00:15.30 | Kirov | erg, typing bad |
| 00:15.42 | cladhaire | slouken: Last I heard was that QA wasn't able to reproduce the unitid/event issue with unit frames.. have you seen/heard anything else? |
| 00:15.58 | slouken | Gotta run, thanks guys! |
| 00:16.05 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:16.19 | Kirov | he's still at work |
| 00:16.26 | Kirov | it's only 4:15 here |
| 00:16.27 | End-afk | he had to RUN...and why am I still here? I thought I went home! |
| 00:25.55 | Tem | wow, I think there might be an error in the schema |
| 00:26.07 | Tem | perhaps I have things in the wrong order |
| 00:26.17 | Kirov | implausable! |
| 00:28.39 | Tem | well, my parser is telling me that EditBoxes aren't supposed to have a Script tag |
| 00:28.50 | Tem | which leads me to believe the schema is wrong |
| 00:28.52 | cladhaire | <Scripts> |
| 00:28.55 | cladhaire | not script |
| 00:29.34 | Tem | yeah that's what I meant |
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| 00:31.54 | Kirkburn | Ciao! I'm just logging in briefly to say hello and plug ClearFont (why else do I come? ;) ... got a new version up for the test server. Woo. |
| 00:32.38 | Kirkburn | Damn Cairenn's not here ... I found the source of the alliance race 'falling leaves' comment, too ... :( |
| 00:33.04 | Miravlix | You come here to prevent yourself from going insane by using this channel as a psycoligal venting place? |
| 00:33.11 | Kirkburn | Well that too |
| 00:33.22 | Kirkburn | If I don't, the cosmos forum's get it all ;) |
| 00:33.24 | Miravlix | You can stop comming it didn't work. |
| 00:33.35 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 00:33.57 | Tem | ah, no it must be my parser that's in error |
| 00:34.41 | Kirkburn | Well I just found out it was a GM that mentioned that the alliance race will be linked to falling leaves/forests |
| 00:35.10 | Kirov | it's trents! |
| 00:35.12 | Kirov | I knew it! |
| 00:35.25 | Kirkburn | Trents .... er ... treants? :P |
| 00:35.35 | Kirkburn | Or just lots of people called trent? |
| 00:35.47 | Kirkburn | I vote for the second |
| 00:35.55 | Kirov | or I could just suck at typing |
| 00:36.03 | AnduinLothar | tree-ents shortenned |
| 00:36.42 | Kirkburn | So is trnts, but u don't catch me calling them that? :) |
| 00:37.34 | Kirkburn | Seriously, imagine being a tree dressed in Magisters |
| 00:38.20 | Kirkburn | I wonder if you get a penatly to regeneration, or root as a racial ability |
| 00:38.22 | Shadowd | Thats going to be great |
| 00:38.47 | Kirkburn | Of course if you root someone, you as a tree are also rooted |
| 00:38.59 | Kirkburn | So it's balanced :D |
| 00:39.28 | Kirkburn | But anyways ... time for bed! G'night all |
| 00:39.51 | Kirkburn | Or afternoon, or probably morning too |
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| 01:57.34 | Tain | hah hah awesome. Raph Koster, SOE game designer who worked on EQ and Star Wars Galaxies among others says: |
| 01:57.34 | Tain | "The single-player game is a strange mutant monster which has only existed for 21 years and is about to go away because it is unnatural and abnormal." |
| 01:58.10 | Shadowd | aww they fixed the Logout(); CancelLogout(); Jump(); bug |
| 01:59.56 | Corrodias | those poor, poor peons at sony |
| 02:00.11 | Corrodias | they've been following twatnads all along and apparently don't know it because they still work there |
| 02:00.22 | Iriel | Raph Koster has some good things to say, and then a whole bunch of retarded nonsense |
| 02:00.46 | Iriel | Someone should introduce him to solitaire, too |
| 02:00.55 | Tain | Yep. He's an interesting guy to listen to. |
| 02:01.34 | Corrodias | it sounds like he's never played a game |
| 02:02.07 | Corrodias | how can someone say something like that? got any other nuggets of wisdom? :) |
| 02:03.50 | cladhaire | Iriel: You missed an extended Slouken today.. he's grabbed most of the holes you guys found.. and was begging for more =) |
| 02:04.03 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/healcap2.jpg :) |
| 02:04.09 | Adrine | Healcap progresses! |
| 02:07.22 | cladhaire | Whats healCap do? |
| 02:07.49 | Tain | Well it's a cap. And.. |
| 02:07.52 | Adrine | Tracks healing done to you, breaks it down in various fun ways |
| 02:08.11 | Adrine | (It's name is a rather lame play on "Recap") |
| 02:08.33 | Tain | Speaking of healing, I'm struggling a bit at playing a Cleric in DDO. |
| 02:09.16 | Iriel | cladhaire : Yeah, I was going to go hunting last night but all of the test servers are down |
| 02:09.23 | Iriel | Tain: How large a group are you playing in? |
| 02:09.40 | Iriel | Tain: I've found 3 to be SUBSTANTIALLY more fun a game experience than 2. |
| 02:10.03 | Iriel | Tain: And specific class pairings matter, 2 semi-squishy classes do FAR worse than a strong and a squishy |
| 02:10.13 | AnduinLothar | heh, ya i was on test last night and i'm like... where is everyone |
| 02:10.33 | Tain | Yeah Iriel, I've only just started the cleric so only have a few groups experience. But in general a 2 man group is no good for me compared to more. |
| 02:11.12 | Iriel | The lack of solid 2 person (or dare I say it, solo) content is going tobe the death of it, I fear |
| 02:11.16 | Tain | It's tough starting out, things like Bless have a 60 second duration. |
| 02:11.35 | Tain | Maybe, but I'm glad they stuck to their guns on that. |
| 02:11.45 | cladhaire | I wanted to play DDO whats the cost look lik efor it? |
| 02:11.55 | Iriel | cladhaire : Standard cost $50+$15/mo |
| 02:12.00 | Legorol | good evening folks |
| 02:12.22 | Iriel | cladhaire : Which is really my other problem with it, compared to a world like WoW, the $15 seems excessive. |
| 02:12.26 | Tain | I also don't know if it will be a death knell. I mean it's likely it will. But I really do go back to forced grouping (for the most part) being one of the biggest reasons for EQ's success. |
| 02:12.38 | Tain | At least early on. |
| 02:12.40 | Legorol | lol Iriel, was just about to link my post on the new quirky change to tooltips, but i see you already saw it :D |
| 02:13.05 | Tain | Unfortunatly since then every game wants to pander to the soloers so they just got easier and easier. |
| 02:13.08 | Iriel | Legorol : AnduinLothar (or someone else, perhaps) already mentioned that one a couple of days ago, though I'm not sure it was consistent |
| 02:13.17 | Iriel | Tain: Yeah, I suppose it may just be we users who need to adapt |
| 02:13.22 | Legorol | ah right |
| 02:13.27 | Legorol | no wait |
| 02:13.39 | Legorol | hmm, maybe |
| 02:13.49 | AnduinLothar | ya, I did, cause ActionQueue started to cast the same thing over and over.. prime sign that tooltips have broken |
| 02:13.51 | Legorol | are you sure you are not confusing it with the original SetOwner issue that came with the test realms? |
| 02:13.52 | Iriel | Tain: I think I just have high standards when it comes to who i'd like to play with. |
| 02:13.54 | Tain | Of course I also come from a tabletop D&D background so this is one case where I welcome it trying at least somewhat to mirror that experience. |
| 02:14.08 | Iriel | Legorol : I remember a specific OnLoad discussion. |
| 02:14.10 | Legorol | oki |
| 02:14.15 | Legorol | i'd been beaten to it then :D |
| 02:14.19 | Tain | That is the problem, Iriel. I've been lucky in the games I've played since EQ of always having a group of people I played with. |
| 02:14.25 | Iriel | I haven't played 'proper' D&D in something like 14 years |
| 02:14.48 | Tain | I have an outright disdain for the vast majority of players. :) |
| 02:14.52 | Iriel | And only a small portion of my 'normal crowd' are interested enough in DDO to be playinG (and one of THOSE is on my 10 day pass) |
| 02:15.03 | cladhaire | Iriel: Have you seen any evidence or have anything to contribute to the unitId/event issue with unit frames? |
| 02:15.09 | Iriel | The basic problem is, when your friends aren't on, there's nothing to do. |
| 02:15.22 | Iriel | cladhaire : Not really, fate has conspired to starve me of test server time. |
| 02:15.47 | cladhaire | Iriel: The problem, is its not even reproducible on live that we've been able to find. |
| 02:15.49 | Iriel | cladhaire : Which is why I spent so much time thinking of ways to break the trusted code protections. |
| 02:15.53 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:16.12 | cladhaire | Slouken's pretty proud of it =) |
| 02:16.36 | cladhaire | But the signing process is what grants them protection, which is a good sign that we're not headed towards signing addons like so many were afraid of. |
| 02:16.49 | cladhaire | At least right now, until they provide various levels of signing =) |
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| 02:16.54 | Iriel | Well, it wouldn't take much code to allow for 'signed trusted' and 'signed untrusted' addons |
| 02:16.58 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 02:17.38 | cladhaire | but at least we can see the underlying system they've been working on that provoke the signatures =) |
| 02:17.47 | cladhaire | just another piece of the puzzle |
| 02:17.57 | Tain | You know though I am a little sad about the backlash in the DDO community against any cleric who doesn't focus only on healing. Clerics in the D&D world are so much more than just casting heal over and over again. :( |
| 02:18.24 | cladhaire | Hael pls. Preist need fort lol. |
| 02:18.26 | AnduinLothar | why look.. why didn't I ever think of hooking the WorldFrame... |
| 02:18.47 | Wobin_ | WATA PLZ |
| 02:19.02 | Iriel | Tain: I'm VERY worried about typecasting in the DDO world, actually. |
| 02:19.04 | Wobin_ | Hehe the WorldFrame always was just there... |
| 02:19.15 | Iriel | Tain: Especially given the D&D system's flexibility towards characters that 'break the mould' |
| 02:20.01 | Iriel | Tain: Perhaps that'll end up as a good indicator between the mature players with the D&D mindset, and the newer 'ub3r l33t' |
| 02:20.29 | AnduinLothar | I wonder if I can hook the OnMouseX script commands to replace the CameraOrSelectOrMove hooks for detecting queued casts.. |
| 02:20.53 | AnduinLothar | hmm... wont work for everything tho :( |
| 02:20.58 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: THere was a post about that recently |
| 02:21.00 | AnduinLothar | might not work for much at all |
| 02:21.05 | AnduinLothar | ya, i just saw it |
| 02:21.11 | AnduinLothar | i don't think it'll work tho.. |
| 02:21.17 | cladhaire | Should work for most of the spellcasting detection needs from what I saw |
| 02:22.06 | Iriel | I would imagine you could get mildly close with OnUpdate and SpellIsTargeting |
| 02:22.37 | AnduinLothar | scanning a frame onupdate? |
| 02:22.40 | Iriel | it just depends on when mouse position/button state transitions happen in the lua event/refresh cycle |
| 02:22.41 | AnduinLothar | tooltip* |
| 02:23.01 | Iriel | Just keeping an eye on what the cursor is doing each frame |
| 02:23.04 | Legorol | what part of target detection will be broken by the new protection? |
| 02:23.06 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: What makes you think that the OnMouseDown method that was posted wouldn't work? |
| 02:23.14 | Legorol | s/target/spell target/ |
| 02:23.28 | AnduinLothar | it'll work by itself. i dunno if it'll work for my application tho |
| 02:23.49 | AnduinLothar | spose i could just try it tonight |
| 02:24.02 | cladhaire | do you have a link to the post |
| 02:24.04 | cladhaire | i can check it out quick |
| 02:24.37 | AnduinLothar | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=335509&tmp=1#post335509 |
| 02:24.55 | cladhaire | And do you mind if I ask the specific case you think you'll; have an issue with so I can play? |
| 02:25.12 | AnduinLothar | meh, it'll probably work as well as the current version.. |
| 02:25.18 | cladhaire | which is hacky at best =) |
| 02:25.33 | Tain | Gaaaah stupid stupid forgot CHA affects Turn Undead. *cries* |
| 02:25.51 | AnduinLothar | queue a spell, drag the screen to change camera view and then target a released dead body |
| 02:26.02 | AnduinLothar | see if that works.. |
| 02:26.14 | AnduinLothar | i think it will, it'll just update twice |
| 02:26.23 | AnduinLothar | once while dragging and again when targetting |
| 02:26.34 | AnduinLothar | use the ArcanePartyBars.CameraOrSelectOrMoveStop_Hook code |
| 02:27.15 | AnduinLothar | could just change it to a WorldFrame.onmouseup hook |
| 02:27.39 | cladhaire | yeah I'm looking at it |
| 02:28.15 | AnduinLothar | just change the hook to Sea.util.hook("WorldFrame","ArcanePartyBars.CameraOrSelectOrMoveStop_Hook","before", "OnMouseUp"); and throw a print statement in there for verification |
| 02:28.53 | cladhaire | i've got a different set of hooks, not using apb |
| 02:28.57 | cladhaire | but i'm patching again, at the moment. |
| 02:29.01 | cladhaire | i must have been one behind |
| 02:29.19 | AnduinLothar | oh, did they update to 5162 on test? |
| 02:29.29 | cladhaire | not sure.. i may be a few behind tbh =) |
| 02:29.42 | AnduinLothar | or is it still 5159 |
| 02:31.17 | AnduinLothar | sweet: ? The Statues in Ahn'Qiraj now drop chunks of obsidian that can be crafted by blacksmiths in to various types of armor. The Recipes come from both Cenarion Circle vendors as well as drops and other sources. |
| 02:31.40 | AnduinLothar | i knew my rep was gonna be worth something to blacksmiths eventually :) |
| 02:31.47 | cladhaire | none of them are nature resist as far as we can tell |
| 02:32.01 | AnduinLothar | they any good? |
| 02:32.29 | AnduinLothar | yup upped to 5162 |
| 02:32.31 | AnduinLothar | good |
| 02:32.40 | AnduinLothar | that has a bunch of sloukens fixes |
| 02:33.09 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:34.53 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: yeah it does, and we already found some more holes :D |
| 02:35.12 | Legorol | you missed the exciting convos yesterday |
| 02:35.32 | cladhaire | Legorol: Slouken said he grabbed all of those today and was hunting for more =) |
| 02:35.46 | Legorol | oh did he? |
| 02:35.50 | Legorol | excellente.. |
| 02:36.05 | AnduinLothar | ah, he'll prolly ask me to verify them |
| 02:36.11 | AnduinLothar | the fixes* |
| 02:36.13 | Iriel | That doesn't necessarily mean the mechanisms wont still sometimes work, just that you shoulkdn't be able to execute exploitative code with them |
| 02:36.32 | AnduinLothar | i saw PlayerFrame OnUpdate hook.. |
| 02:36.33 | Iriel | Personally I think the holy grail is going to be getting it to bless my code. |
| 02:36.38 | Gryphen | shoulkdn't lol |
| 02:36.42 | Legorol | well the thing is, the hardware event restriction on movement will be back with 1.10 release, from what i have heard |
| 02:36.58 | Legorol | however, i have a few ideas on what to do in that case |
| 02:37.10 | Legorol | unfortunately i can't test taht with the current test realm :( |
| 02:37.34 | Legorol | i hope that they are going to give one final update on the test realm before going live, with the hardware event restriction.. |
| 02:38.00 | AnduinLothar | prolly... think we got a week... |
| 02:38.08 | cladhaire | They left it out to give us a method to test? |
| 02:38.10 | Legorol | the contests aren't ending before 28th |
| 02:38.24 | Legorol | so i don't think 1.10 can hit live before that |
| 02:38.35 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 02:39.32 | Iriel | There's nothing to stop them putting it live and leaving the contest servers up tho |
| 02:39.39 | Legorol | true |
| 02:39.57 | Legorol | moral question: is it OK for me to use AT on test realm and call it "testing Lua protection system"? |
| 02:39.59 | Legorol | :-) |
| 02:40.15 | AnduinLothar | it's test... who cares |
| 02:40.25 | Legorol | i wasn't expecting a serious answer |
| 02:40.32 | AnduinLothar | you mean on the contest realms? |
| 02:40.40 | Legorol | yup |
| 02:41.13 | AnduinLothar | made the mistake of logging in with out removing all the broken mods... stupid dissable popups only do one at a time.. |
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| 02:42.11 | AnduinLothar | yay, worldframe hook works |
| 02:45.41 | AnduinLothar | tho if you drag and release it wont cast but it will still trigger name update |
| 02:45.49 | AnduinLothar | which i spose wont hurt anything |
| 02:46.29 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 02:46.30 | AnduinLothar | good stuff. i'll get that updated asap then |
| 02:46.32 | cladhaire | just got to that point too |
| 02:46.52 | cladhaire | What server are you testing on? |
| 02:46.53 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:47.03 | AnduinLothar | was on test, but i have to go to class now |
| 02:47.22 | AnduinLothar | i'll prolly be on test later tonight |
| 02:47.33 | AnduinLothar | Andy is the name |
| 02:47.52 | cladhaire | the name update will only happen if you're moused on a unit |
| 02:48.01 | cladhaire | and its easy to set a flag, and test MouseDown to see if we're still casting |
| 02:48.11 | AnduinLothar | no need, |
| 02:52.00 | Iriel | Time to go home |
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| 03:11.00 | Ktron | You know what is a pain, but necessary? cleaning up your 80gb hard drive that you've been hording every file you thought might be worth keeping for the past 4 years, that you've never cleaned up before |
| 03:11.47 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 03:12.25 | Ktron | heh, I'm going to check to see if there's any program that will let me see thumbnails of XCFs... |
| 03:14.36 | Ktron | heh, nope |
| 03:14.38 | Ktron | oh well |
| 03:14.59 | Corrodias | XCF? |
| 03:15.09 | Corrodias | send me an example and i'll see if acdsee can handle it, unless you've checked already |
| 03:18.20 | Ktron | I haven't |
| 03:20.25 | *** join/#wowi-lounge slouken (n=Sam@ip68-5-42-243.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 03:23.57 | Ktron | http://www.filefactory.com/get/v3/f2.php?f=9bf66b63b6505b96e1aa04eb should get you one Corrodias |
| 03:24.34 | Ktron | heh, if that doesn't work, I'll try to figure out how to send it to you through IRC |
| 03:24.40 | Ktron | (I've never sent files through IRC before) |
| 03:24.45 | Corrodias | so, uh, how do i download it? |
| 03:25.03 | Corrodias | never mind |
| 03:25.29 | Ktron | did you get it? |
| 03:25.46 | Ktron | imageshack doesn't support .xcf |
| 03:25.58 | Corrodias | got it. testing now. |
| 03:27.43 | Corrodias | letting the GIMP open it to see what it's like... |
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| 03:27.50 | Corrodias | whichtakes ages because of my fonts dir... |
| 03:28.24 | Tain | Be happy too many fonts doesn't cause Windows to crash anymore like it did in the old days. :) |
| 03:28.45 | Ktron | should just be some basic text-- 'benami style' I think |
| 03:29.09 | Corrodias | how sad, acdsee can't view it |
| 03:29.28 | Ktron | That is sad |
| 03:29.54 | Ktron | I usually don't bother with acdsee, I usually just install thumbview |
| 03:29.58 | Corrodias | i don't like the gimp. it demands to load all my fonts which means it takes way too long to load |
| 03:30.10 | Ktron | but thumbview doesn't support xcfs either |
| 03:30.21 | Corrodias | and i'm having a hell of a time calculating the pH in this chemistry problem! argh! |
| 03:30.25 | Corrodias | infinity is not a valid pH |
| 03:30.46 | Ktron | I like the GIMP a lot more than photoshop... I think you can tell GIMP not to load every font |
| 03:31.03 | Ktron | in fact, I think you can even tell GIMP to dynamically load fonts, but don't hold me to that |
| 03:39.30 | Ktron | Hey Cairenn |
| 03:39.34 | Cairenn | hey |
| 03:40.04 | Ktron | heh, we chased off Krem earlier, but I've no doubt he'll be back either later tonight or tomorrow |
| 03:40.16 | Cairenn | oh? |
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| 03:40.43 | Ktron | yep |
| 03:40.49 | Cairenn | anything I should be aware of? |
| 03:41.16 | Cairenn | (fell asleep) |
| 03:41.31 | Ktron | nah, nothing important |
| 03:45.35 | Legorol | darn, we didn't manage to have an exciting enough convo to keep Cairenn awake.. |
| 03:45.51 | Legorol | we should stop talking about code and start talking about girls! |
| 03:46.15 | Legorol | on that note... |
| 03:46.17 | Cairenn | and that will keep me awake, why? |
| 03:46.22 | Cairenn | night Legorol |
| 03:46.34 | Legorol | ehm.. don't girls keep *everyone* awake? |
| 03:46.36 | Legorol | nvm |
| 03:47.17 | Ktron | night Legorol |
| 04:05.12 | Tain | Actually if the girl is really good she makes me need a nap. |
| 04:05.35 | Corrodias | nudity is what makes them worthwhile. |
| 04:07.49 | Cairenn | dangerous statement Corrodias |
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| 04:19.09 | Cairenn | wb Iriel |
| 04:19.18 | Iriel | Hello again |
| 04:19.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge malreth (n=malreth@cpe-72-177-82-90.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 04:19.50 | malreth | you were all educated evil and are unfit to live |
| 04:20.04 | End | fine. |
| 04:20.12 | End | be that way. |
| 04:20.12 | Cairenn | and good evening to you as well malreth |
| 04:20.58 | malreth | you are all too stupid to understand nature's harmonious 4x4=16 simultaneous 4 day time cube |
| 04:21.35 | Gryphen | hah ya |
| 04:21.40 | malreth | i am full of chicken... |
| 04:21.42 | malreth | and rum |
| 04:21.48 | malreth | much more rum than chicken |
| 04:21.53 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:27.03 | Ktron | heh, someone should force all people to get a second phone line for internet or cable |
| 04:27.53 | Ktron | because calling and calling trying to get through is thoroughly obnoxious, and its time we left it behind |
| 04:28.30 | Miravlix | If you need me for anything send me an email? |
| 04:28.33 | Corrodias | or maybe affordable, common DSL service with the discontinuation of dialup. |
| 04:29.00 | Miravlix | Talking to people is just sooo old fashioned |
| 04:29.24 | Ktron | I suppose it'd be okay if you _only_ were online, but I was told to call and get through |
| 04:30.00 | Ktron | and she's not online, and neither is her sister, which makes getting them to get offline difficult |
| 04:31.14 | malreth | yomigaeru aiyan sheffu! |
| 04:32.27 | malreth | iron chef is on... it's the episode with the challenger with the huge knife |
| 04:32.36 | Ktron | lol |
| 04:33.09 | malreth | no entendre there... it's a huge blade |
| 04:33.28 | Ktron | checking it out |
| 04:35.02 | Ktron | guess not, guess my tuner didn't recognize food... weird |
| 04:37.47 | malreth | here, you can watch this instead. |
| 04:37.47 | malreth | http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/ouch/1661008/ |
| 04:42.29 | Iriel | Does slouken's MovePad still work in 1.10? |
| 04:42.38 | Iriel | the NEW 1.10 that is |
| 04:43.22 | MentalPower | I can check |
| 04:44.16 | Iriel | that's ok, i'll just hop out and back in again |
| 04:44.51 | MentalPower | yes it does |
| 04:45.15 | slouken | Hey Iriel. :) |
| 04:45.24 | Iriel | Hey slouken 8-) |
| 04:47.05 | MentalPower | gnight folks |
| 04:47.24 | Cairenn | night Mental |
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| 04:55.51 | malreth | hmm... the new channelcast addon is out |
| 04:58.09 | Cairenn | okay guys, where do you go to change from windowed mode to full screen (for wow) out of game |
| 04:58.20 | Gryphen | config.wtf? |
| 04:58.55 | Corrodias | hmmm |
| 04:59.04 | Corrodias | i don't know! omg! |
| 04:59.21 | malreth | why out of game? |
| 04:59.43 | Cairenn | that's what I thought too, but I am not seeing "full screen" or "windowed" or anything like htat |
| 04:59.46 | Cairenn | that* |
| 04:59.59 | ForgottenLords | I'll see if I can find it Cairenn |
| 05:00.28 | Cairenn | why out of game? http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/various/boggle2.gif |
| 05:00.52 | ForgottenLords | SET gxWindow "1" |
| 05:01.02 | ForgottenLords | SET gxMaximize "1" |
| 05:01.57 | Corrodias | that would be maximized windowed mode |
| 05:01.57 | malreth | OMG!~! |
| 05:02.04 | Corrodias | i think you want gxWindow "0" |
| 05:02.12 | ForgottenLords | No, you want 1 |
| 05:02.16 | malreth | Cair! get rid of your computer and buy a new one... it's gone wrong |
| 05:02.26 | ForgottenLords | I use WIndowed, and thats straight from my config file |
| 05:02.27 | Cairenn | ha ha ha |
| 05:02.40 | malreth | who's on your desktop? |
| 05:02.42 | Corrodias | but she wants to use fullscreen |
| 05:02.44 | Cairenn | I'm trying to get rid of windowed, see if that'll fix it for me |
| 05:02.45 | Corrodias | he/she |
| 05:02.51 | ForgottenLords | OH, then yeah 0 :) |
| 05:02.57 | Cairenn | malreth: my daughter, couple years ago |
| 05:04.55 | ForgottenLords | Yes, you want |
| 05:04.55 | ForgottenLords | SET gxWindow "0" |
| 05:05.36 | Cairenn | okay, changing that fixed it, now to see if I can switch back to windowed |
| 05:05.58 | Legorol | this is odd, MovePad throws blocked message for me.. |
| 05:06.16 | Cairenn | yay, fixed |
| 05:06.40 | Iriel | Works for me |
| 05:06.43 | Cairenn | thanks guys .... I just couldn't find the option to turn windowed off, wasn't looking correctly |
| 05:06.53 | Cairenn | that was incredibly odd |
| 05:08.45 | AnduinLothar | movepad? |
| 05:09.00 | Legorol | is there a new release of movepad? |
| 05:09.09 | Iriel | Dont think so, mine's dated March 10 |
| 05:09.23 | Legorol | hm, odd.. if i turn off all other addons, it works |
| 05:09.24 | Cairenn | http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/various/movepad.gif |
| 05:09.27 | Cairenn | movepad |
| 05:09.43 | ForgottenLords | whats the POINT of that? |
| 05:09.58 | Legorol | ForgottenLords, long story.. will get you link |
| 05:09.59 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=333758&p=1&tmp=1#post333758 |
| 05:10.04 | Iriel | That's the thread |
| 05:10.06 | Legorol | ah thre :-) |
| 05:10.13 | Iriel | I happened to have it open still |
| 05:10.16 | Legorol | Iriel, here is the deal: |
| 05:10.21 | Legorol | if i have *only* MovePad loaded, it works |
| 05:10.35 | ForgottenLords | ah, I'll read up on it |
| 05:10.36 | Legorol | if i have MovePad + ImprovedErrorFrame loaded, it throws blocked message and blames IEF |
| 05:10.45 | Legorol | it's doing exactly like it did with Tradeskills |
| 05:10.48 | Legorol | blames a random addon.. |
| 05:10.52 | Iriel | Does IEF hook anything significant? |
| 05:10.58 | Legorol | not that i know of |
| 05:11.03 | Legorol | i can try with other, benign addon too |
| 05:11.05 | Iriel | Edit IEF and make it depend on MovePad |
| 05:11.08 | AnduinLothar | same problem as the previous 'create all' bug |
| 05:11.22 | Legorol | yeah |
| 05:11.23 | Iriel | then exit and restart client |
| 05:11.26 | Legorol | ? |
| 05:11.27 | Iriel | I'm curious if it's a load order issue |
| 05:11.43 | malreth | woo! iron chef wins! gah, i'm glad. |
| 05:11.45 | Legorol | could be |
| 05:11.53 | Legorol | it works fine when i load a single addon called Utilities |
| 05:11.55 | malreth | i'm always worried, you know. |
| 05:11.59 | Legorol | (my personal library of Lua functions) |
| 05:12.05 | Legorol | now U > M |
| 05:12.06 | Iriel | Well, Utilities probably loads after MovePad |
| 05:12.07 | Legorol | but ! < M |
| 05:12.09 | Legorol | yeah |
| 05:12.25 | Iriel | DevTools doesn't appear to interfere with it tho |
| 05:12.30 | Legorol | i can try two addons, just before and just after.. |
| 05:12.31 | Cairenn | it loads fine for me |
| 05:12.36 | Legorol | hmm |
| 05:12.43 | Legorol | quite a few addons i tried seem to be fine with it |
| 05:12.46 | Legorol | but IEF isn't |
| 05:13.05 | Iriel | Well, what is IEF doing? |
| 05:13.19 | Legorol | not entirely sure, but i think all it does is redirect _ERRORMESSAGE or message |
| 05:13.21 | Legorol | can't remember which |
| 05:13.29 | Legorol | and displays it in a window that you can copy/paste from |
| 05:13.46 | Legorol | quite odd |
| 05:13.59 | Legorol | i'll see if i can produce a minimal addon that's necessary to trigger blocked message with MovePad |
| 05:15.03 | Legorol | well there doesn't seem to be any consistency... some addons have a problem with it, some don't |
| 05:15.28 | AnduinLothar | edit box or scroll frames? |
| 05:15.47 | Legorol | Iriel, yup, i think it's a load order issue |
| 05:15.48 | AnduinLothar | anything with gui that uses the keyboard? |
| 05:15.59 | Legorol | nah, i think iriel is right, i just wasn't careful enough when trying |
| 05:16.06 | Legorol | if i try an addon before it in the alphabet, it complains |
| 05:16.09 | Legorol | after it, and it's fine |
| 05:16.21 | Legorol | seems like once you start loading insecure addons, you can't load a secure one |
| 05:16.43 | Iriel | That doesn't seem to explain DevTools, unless I accidently disabled it |
| 05:16.52 | Legorol | out of date? |
| 05:17.03 | Legorol | well, so far every test i did confirms your load-order theory |
| 05:17.10 | Cairenn | unh |
| 05:17.18 | Legorol | hmm wait |
| 05:17.22 | Cairenn | I'm loading lots before it, just fine |
| 05:17.23 | Legorol | how do i verify load-order? |
| 05:17.34 | Iriel | Make your first addon register ADDON_LOADED |
| 05:17.39 | Iriel | And print the ones that load after it |
| 05:17.46 | malreth | use warmup and see the order of the addon loading |
| 05:17.54 | malreth | that's what I use, anyways |
| 05:17.55 | Legorol | it should be enough to enable verbose debugging, no? |
| 05:18.19 | Cairenn | !StopTheSpam would load first, I'd think? |
| 05:18.32 | Iriel | Cairenn : "usually" |
| 05:18.34 | ForgottenLords | !ImprovedErrorFrame? |
| 05:18.37 | malreth | oh, don't use that addon... it's awful |
| 05:18.58 | Cairenn | what, StopTheSpam? I love it :p |
| 05:19.05 | malreth | :p |
| 05:19.36 | Cairenn | smartass :p |
| 05:19.46 | malreth | thanks for testing it for me, though. I'm glad it works. |
| 05:19.52 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:19.59 | malreth | <updates readme and gets ready to post and update> |
| 05:20.01 | Cairenn | I can't stand not using it |
| 05:20.11 | Legorol | lol, it even blames Ace |
| 05:20.36 | Cairenn | oh interesting ... FishingBuddy just came up with the Blocked message |
| 05:20.36 | Iriel | Well, who wouldn't ? |
| 05:21.11 | Corrodias | you know, i wasn't aware that people MOVING was a problem. i thought they were trying to stop decursive, not ..moving |
| 05:21.29 | malreth | i thought FishingBuddy hooked one of the movement functions |
| 05:21.31 | Corrodias | or have i misunderstood what you are saying? |
| 05:21.53 | Cairenn | malreth: actually, yeah |
| 05:22.34 | malreth | yeah... it'll have to be recoded to use a worldframe onclick hook or something |
| 05:23.56 | Legorol | Iriel: could you do this test for me when you get a chance: |
| 05:24.06 | Legorol | disable all addons but devtools and movepad |
| 05:24.07 | Legorol | log in |
| 05:24.13 | Legorol | type /script FrameXML_Debug(1) |
| 05:24.17 | Legorol | type /console reloadui |
| 05:24.23 | Legorol | then check the framexml.log |
| 05:24.26 | malreth | guess i'll probably rewrite GoldenRun... i'm too addicted to the click-double-click to autorun |
| 05:24.29 | Legorol | see what order are those two addons getting loaded in |
| 05:24.38 | Osagasu | Has anyone told Slouken about the hole in the Enchant links? |
| 05:24.44 | Legorol | what hole? |
| 05:24.47 | slouken | bastards |
| 05:24.59 | malreth | hey hey hey... this is a family channel! |
| 05:25.03 | Iriel | DevTools -> MovePad |
| 05:25.23 | Osagasu | I just got a *black* link on Azgalor that was a modified Crusader enchant link. |
| 05:25.28 | Legorol | Iriel: and it doesn't blame devtools? |
| 05:25.35 | Osagasu | The guy that made it says they they still work on the test patch |
| 05:25.41 | Iriel | Legorol : it works perfectly |
| 05:25.41 | malreth | huh? |
| 05:25.50 | Iriel | Legorol : Now, DevTools doesn't create any frames, which may be why it escapes |
| 05:25.54 | Iriel | Legorol : Let me try something |
| 05:26.11 | Legorol | have you updated the toc of devtools to 11000? |
| 05:26.11 | slouken | Osagasu, it's fixed for the next test realm update. I didn't want to have to load the entire spell database just for validation, but... grumble grumble |
| 05:26.30 | Cairenn | later malreth |
| 05:26.43 | Legorol | slouken, i thought you are not supposed to talk about work in here :p ... |
| 05:26.44 | Legorol | oh wait |
| 05:26.57 | Legorol | *we* are not supposed to talk about work to you ... oopsie :-) |
| 05:27.18 | Iriel | Unless he starts it 8-) |
| 05:27.21 | Cairenn | and we are allowed to if he is asking for info |
| 05:27.24 | Iriel | Then I think it's fair game |
| 05:27.24 | Legorol | weee |
| 05:27.38 | Cairenn | which he has specifically stated he wants us to be trying to poke holes in the API atm |
| 05:27.45 | Cairenn | so it's his own damn fault :p |
| 05:27.50 | Iriel | And yes, Lego, once one of my addons creates a frame, it breaks poor MovePad |
| 05:27.58 | Osagasu | I didn't even know he was in here when I asked |
| 05:28.03 | Osagasu | 8D |
| 05:28.11 | Legorol | yup Iriel, i just confirmed that too |
| 05:28.16 | Iriel | No frame : No problem |
| 05:28.22 | Legorol | i loaded an addon with no frames, no problem |
| 05:28.26 | Legorol | damn, you beat me ;-) |
| 05:28.45 | Iriel | Actually |
| 05:28.50 | Iriel | it appears to be, no XML file no problem |
| 05:28.53 | Iriel | Once you have an XML file, it breaks |
| 05:28.57 | Iriel | Regardless of what's in it |
| 05:29.15 | Legorol | even with just a <Script>? |
| 05:29.22 | Iriel | Even with just a NOTHING |
| 05:29.28 | Legorol | i think it might have to do with how AddOn signing works.. |
| 05:29.28 | Iriel | <Ui/> |
| 05:29.38 | Legorol | signature files are called *.toc.sig |
| 05:29.42 | Legorol | i wonder if that means anything ;-) |
| 05:29.46 | Iriel | I think it might be a bug 8-) |
| 05:29.53 | Iriel | *ducks from slouken* |
| 05:29.59 | Legorol | bug? nevah! |
| 05:30.03 | Legorol | "working as intended" |
| 05:30.16 | Iriel | In fairness, MovePad is the ONLY non-built-in signed addon. |
| 05:30.23 | AnduinLothar | otherwise known as an undisclosed feature |
| 05:30.24 | Iriel | But it would explain why my last attempt to break things failed |
| 05:30.35 | Iriel | So if he fixes the bug, my last exploit has a chance 8-) |
| 05:30.43 | Legorol | huh? |
| 05:30.56 | Legorol | there are plenty of exploits at the moment that are not fixed on current test realm yet |
| 05:31.14 | AnduinLothar | emumerate them and they will be |
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| 05:31.28 | Iriel | I think all of the fixable ones are caught now |
| 05:31.30 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: already told slouken about it, not going to say in public |
| 05:31.41 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
| 05:31.47 | Iriel | Things like 'rearranging global functions to do something different than expected' will be more or less impossible to fix |
| 05:31.51 | Legorol | i still have a few ideas, but... can't try them until the hardware event restriction is back |
| 05:32.05 | AnduinLothar | My theory is the more common knowledge an exploit i that faster it gets fixed |
| 05:32.07 | slouken | Iriel, that's actually fixed. |
| 05:32.14 | Osagasu | Hey Darshu. |
| 05:32.15 | Legorol | weee |
| 05:32.18 | [Hyper]Darshu | hello |
| 05:32.23 | Iriel | slouken : That being the MovePad problem, or the thing I emailed you? |
| 05:32.34 | Legorol | ok, i can't resist! |
| 05:32.37 | slouken | Legorol, what do you have in mind, and why would it need the hardware event restriction? |
| 05:32.40 | Cairenn | hi darshu |
| 05:32.45 | Legorol | slouken: will there be a test realm update that will have the hardware event restriction on movement? |
| 05:33.04 | Legorol | well what i have in mind is a way to link movement with spellcasting |
| 05:33.06 | Tain | All of these people in one place, using their powers for good. It brings a tear to my eye. |
| 05:33.19 | Cairenn | lol Tain |
| 05:33.23 | Legorol | but it all depends on how you fixed stuff Iriel and I mailed you about |
| 05:33.25 | Cairenn | smartass |
| 05:33.35 | Legorol | so i can't try it until it's on test realm |
| 05:33.38 | AnduinLothar | 'good' being breaking things? |
| 05:33.41 | Legorol | i can email you what i had in mind |
| 05:33.56 | AnduinLothar | i wanna be paid for hacking... oh wait.. |
| 05:34.02 | Legorol | lol! |
| 05:34.07 | Iriel | Breaking things on test so they dont get abused on live 8-) |
| 05:34.10 | Tain | Hey I'm serious, most of the time you find people brainstorming like this so they can use these things to benefit themselves, not to help fix them. |
| 05:34.27 | Cairenn | aye |
| 05:34.33 | Legorol | Tain: what about the miriad security firms out there that go find holes in Windows so they can report it to M$? |
| 05:34.38 | Legorol | they do it for PR not to exploit |
| 05:34.38 | Tain | Not that I would know about such things. |
| 05:35.05 | Tain | They're irrelevant, everyone knows Microsoft doesn't respond to security flaws anyway. |
| 05:35.14 | Legorol | it does, they fix them |
| 05:35.22 | Iriel | about 18 months later |
| 05:35.25 | Tain | Exactly. |
| 05:35.30 | Legorol | ok we are going to dangerous territory here, so i better shut up on this |
| 05:35.59 | slouken | Can you send a simple self-contained test case for the MovePad problem? |
| 05:36.07 | Iriel | I can |
| 05:36.07 | AnduinLothar | mmm, publicly telling yourself to shut up.. that's... special |
| 05:36.26 | AnduinLothar | almost like me! |
| 05:36.31 | Legorol | slouken: load an AddOn called "Alpha" with the following .toc: ## Interface: 11000, Alpha.xml |
| 05:36.33 | AnduinLothar | thinking with my fingers.. |
| 05:36.39 | Legorol | and put <Ui></Ui> in the .xml |
| 05:36.41 | Legorol | that should be enough |
| 05:37.07 | slouken | It's easier if I can just unpack a zip file into a clean build and go |
| 05:37.16 | slouken | If I do it myself, I could get it wrong. :) |
| 05:37.18 | Legorol | ok sure |
| 05:37.33 | AnduinLothar | == lazy |
| 05:37.45 | Iriel | I've got the zip already |
| 05:37.49 | slouken | that too. :) |
| 05:37.52 | AnduinLothar | as all goo dprogrammers are |
| 05:37.53 | Iriel | (Since I just have to do 'ant zip') |
| 05:38.10 | Legorol | ok Iriel you do it |
| 05:38.14 | Legorol | <- lazy too :D |
| 05:38.44 | AnduinLothar | i think i should make a global macro that delays my space button a fraction of a second.. |
| 05:38.57 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Stick sponge to it, or pins |
| 05:39.18 | Iriel | slouken : http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/random/ |
| 05:39.20 | AnduinLothar | or spill soda on it |
| 05:39.24 | Iriel | AAB-0.1-11000.zip |
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| 05:41.11 | Iriel | Soda stops it coming back up too tho |
| 05:41.47 | Legorol | Iriel, odd, that minimalistic Alpha addon i just mentioned is not enough. |
| 05:43.05 | Legorol | I seem to have to have something in the .xml, other than just <Ui></Ui> |
| 05:43.38 | Iriel | Mine works, it's just a comment |
| 05:43.47 | Iriel | Did you add the xml to your toc? |
| 05:44.15 | Legorol | yeah |
| 05:44.38 | malreth|busy | ladies and gentlemen, malreth has left the channel |
| 05:44.46 | malreth|busy | night everybody |
| 05:44.53 | Cairenn | night malreth|busy |
| 05:45.49 | Legorol | Iriel: http://wow.pastebin.com/604866 is not enough |
| 05:45.54 | End | nice comment Iriel |
| 05:46.01 | End | - <!-- Silence is golden --> |
| 05:47.01 | Legorol | http://wow.pastebin.com/604871 is not enough either |
| 05:47.52 | Iriel | Legorol : It works for me |
| 05:48.35 | Legorol | http://wow.pastebin.com/604873 also not enough |
| 05:49.14 | Legorol | and i do quit WoW each time i try |
| 05:50.10 | slouken | Try these steps: |
| 05:50.23 | slouken | Move your interface directory out of the way |
| 05:50.30 | slouken | Unpack Iriel's zip as-is |
| 05:50.32 | slouken | Start the game |
| 05:50.46 | Iriel | Well, you have to unpack MovePad too |
| 05:51.13 | slouken | Iriel, for the record, I was testing with three different compilations and MovePad all loading, and didn't get any problems like this. |
| 05:51.43 | Legorol | this one does give the block: http://wow.pastebin.com/604876 |
| 05:52.57 | slouken | BTW, it may have to do with the global environment resizing, which would mean that it would depend on exactly the XML and Lua and frames loaded at each stage. |
| 05:53.11 | slouken | And hopefully fixed for the next test server update... *crosses his fingers* |
| 05:54.45 | Legorol | ok i got it! |
| 05:54.48 | Legorol | it's the bindings.xml |
| 05:54.55 | Legorol | that one gets loaded without being in the .toc |
| 05:55.01 | Legorol | delete it, and AAB no longer throws blocked message |
| 05:55.11 | Iriel | Ahhh |
| 05:55.39 | Iriel | Leftover from one of my earlier abuses |
| 05:55.57 | Legorol | however, having a <Frame> element is enough to cause the blocked message |
| 05:57.26 | Legorol | me too :D |
| 05:57.37 | Legorol | btw, did i understand this correctly: |
| 05:57.37 | Legorol | <Iriel> Things like 'rearranging global functions to do something different than expected' will be more or less impossible to fix |
| 05:57.38 | Legorol | <slouken> Iriel, that's actually fixed. |
| 05:57.54 | Legorol | i can't wait to see how that works |
| 05:57.59 | slouken | Heh |
| 05:58.18 | Legorol | ok then i probably misunderstood something and your reply wasn't to that statement |
| 05:58.28 | Legorol | ignore me.. |
| 05:58.34 | slouken | No, you got it right |
| 05:58.49 | Iriel | I too can't wait to see how that works 8-) |
| 05:58.56 | slouken | :) |
| 05:59.11 | Legorol | i presume that applies to what i emailed you as well |
| 05:59.19 | Iriel | Nice work on the metatable taints by the way, did that just fall out of LUA naturally or did you predict us trying it? |
| 05:59.28 | AnduinLothar | ya, faster turnaround would be nice... nightshift always gets the shaft with bugs being fixed but not life till the next day.. |
| 05:59.35 | Legorol | metatable taints? O.o |
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| 05:59.53 | Iriel | I tried some tricks with metatables on the global environment |
| 05:59.55 | Iriel | They failed. |
| 05:59.59 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 06:00.09 | Legorol | fair enough |
| 06:00.20 | Legorol | i was going to do that as a last resort.. but we found easier ways |
| 06:00.33 | Legorol | and now i don't have to bother trying :D |
| 06:00.49 | Iriel | I love my metatables, I had to see if they would prevail 8-) |
| 06:00.55 | AnduinLothar | ok, well i'm off. night guys |
| 06:01.00 | Iriel | Cya Anduin |
| 06:01.02 | Legorol | gnight |
| 06:01.03 | Cairenn | night AnduinLothar |
| 06:01.31 | Legorol | ;-) |
| 06:01.37 | Cairenn | different departments :p |
| 06:01.42 | Legorol | i know i know, j/k |
| 06:01.47 | AnduinLothar | he's upstairs i believe |
| 06:01.53 | Legorol | ah, so he gets the better view |
| 06:01.54 | Iriel | I'm sure slouken could delete all of our accounts if he wanted to. |
| 06:01.58 | Iriel | I doubt Anduin could |
| 06:02.03 | AnduinLothar | prolly has his own office too |
| 06:02.04 | Legorol | even the EU ones? |
| 06:02.09 | Iriel | (And I do mean "delete" and not "cancel") |
| 06:02.10 | Legorol | i doubt it Iriel |
| 06:02.14 | Iriel | Well, maybe not the EU ones |
| 06:02.22 | Legorol | i don't think he necessarily has access to the live account databases |
| 06:02.26 | AnduinLothar | mm, he's not the server guy but he might know hoiw |
| 06:02.35 | Legorol | he is a programmer, not a database or network engineer or whatnot... |
| 06:02.42 | Iriel | If you can get code into the app, you dont necessarily need DB access yourself. |
| 06:02.46 | Legorol | but me just guessing |
| 06:02.55 | Legorol | lol, backdoor, Iriel? |
| 06:02.58 | Legorol | besides, who knows? |
| 06:03.00 | AnduinLothar | he could probably code it so your addons specificly are blocked.. |
| 06:03.06 | Legorol | maybe you'd need code in the server and not hte client |
| 06:03.08 | Iriel | I think he does that to Tem already |
| 06:03.13 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 06:03.14 | End | hehe |
| 06:03.20 | Legorol | lol |
| 06:03.25 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.28 | Cairenn | if unit = tem ... |
| 06:03.38 | Tem | so, a delayed "WOOOT!" from me |
| 06:03.42 | Legorol | so, from what slouken said, sounds like protected functions will be non-redirectable |
| 06:03.42 | Tem | I just got a mageblade |
| 06:03.52 | Legorol | sounds interesting.. wonder if we can poke holes in that :D |
| 06:04.02 | Iriel | I look forward to trying |
| 06:04.15 | Legorol | aren't we being a bit too evil here? |
| 06:04.17 | Legorol | :-) |
| 06:04.17 | Iriel | Though I have to rebuild an email server between now and then I suppose. |
| 06:04.23 | Legorol | nah.. |
| 06:04.24 | Iriel | Not really, we're being evil for the greater good |
| 06:04.25 | Legorol | WoW > RL |
| 06:05.40 | slouken | I appreciate all the help you guys are doing. It's going to save me emergency patches once 1.10 goes live. :) (I hope!) |
| 06:05.59 | Legorol | when do we get the paycheck? |
| 06:06.05 | End | oh |
| 06:06.07 | Legorol | haha, beat ya to it |
| 06:06.09 | End | that's interesting |
| 06:06.11 | slouken | You mean this isn't payment enough? |
| 06:06.17 | Legorol | yup it is |
| 06:06.27 | slouken | Yeah, I know the feeling. :) |
| 06:06.30 | Legorol | btw, since you are here slouken: let me just say you are the bestest Blizz employee ever |
| 06:06.32 | slouken | I used to work in security |
| 06:06.39 | Legorol | well i guess now AnduinLothar comes close ;-) |
| 06:06.42 | slouken | er, network security |
| 06:06.51 | Legorol | but anyway, what you do for the community is great |
| 06:06.52 | slouken | sorta |
| 06:06.54 | slouken | anyway |
| 06:06.55 | slouken | thanks. :) |
| 06:07.04 | slouken | I enjoy it. |
| 06:07.06 | Legorol | i am sure it's not in your job description, and i am sure a lot of people here feel very happy that you go into open dialogues with us |
| 06:07.11 | slouken | :) |
| 06:07.29 | End | we like trying to figure out how it works and how to poke holes in it :P |
| 06:07.39 | Legorol | i will tell you honestly that it does make me feel very good that we can sort of bypass the CMs that babysit the masses and get "access" to a programmer inside |
| 06:08.10 | Legorol | don't get me the wrong way, please, what i mean is that this kind of openness is very good in my opinion |
| 06:08.20 | Legorol | but is only appropriate when the community you are open towards is mature |
| 06:08.32 | Legorol | so it would never work with the vast majority of the players :/ |
| 06:08.37 | Legorol | anyway, what am i rambling about? |
| 06:08.45 | Legorol | oh yeah, i was saying thanks, wasn't i |
| 06:08.52 | Cairenn | heh, yup |
| 06:08.52 | slouken | my pleasure. :) |
| 06:23.27 | Tain | Now what would be cool is if I could get debug information to show on my G15 LCD display while testing things... |
| 06:23.38 | Iriel | slouken: Oh, removing bindings.xml makes that other trick I mailed you about work. I'll send you a zip |
| 06:23.44 | Tain | :D |
| 06:24.26 | Cairenn | night Osagasu |
| 06:24.39 | krka | what lego just said |
| 06:24.53 | slouken | night Osagasu |
| 06:39.13 | Shadowd | yay for ZG |
| 06:56.01 | Iriel | Hm, bedtime for me! |
| 06:56.07 | Iriel | See you all tomorrow |
| 06:56.12 | Cairenn | night Iriel, sweet dreams :) |
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| 07:57.22 | Cairenn | sleep time for me .... night folks |
| 08:00.53 | Wobin_ | sleep well, Cair =) |
| 08:04.30 | slouken | night night |
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| 09:37.01 | groll | anyone alive? |
| 09:37.49 | Wobin_ | BRAIIIINS |
| 09:37.51 | groll | hehe |
| 09:38.00 | groll | ok just a quick english question :P |
| 09:38.19 | groll | when two people talk you say they? |
| 09:39.06 | Wobin_ | how do you mean? |
| 09:39.09 | groll | like for example "with some people you cant converse in a proper manner" would converse be the proper word? |
| 09:40.44 | Wobin_ | "There are just some people you cannot converse with in a civil manner" maybe, or "Some people are simply unable to maintain a proper conversation" |
| 09:40.59 | groll | ah thanks :) |
| 09:41.24 | Wobin_ | (although that second one isn't quite scanning right for me...) |
| 09:41.42 | Wobin_ | I think I'm mixing metaphors somewhere in that second one |
| 09:41.49 | groll | hehe |
| 09:42.00 | groll | i think it sounds good though |
| 09:42.22 | Wobin_ | maybe replace 'unable' with 'don't have the ability' |
| 09:42.27 | Wobin_ | er |
| 09:42.35 | Wobin_ | 'are simply unable' with 'yada' |
| 09:54.48 | groll | heh oh well thanks :) |
| 10:08.00 | Ktron | "can't carry on a conversation" is also typical |
| 11:48.48 | Josh|Gone | ~logs |
| 11:48.49 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
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| 12:39.44 | Codayus | Okay, time to beg - anyone heard that "minus 50 dkp" recording of a vent conversation? It's been floating around the general forums... And more importantly, know where I can find a copy? |
| 12:54.22 | Wobin_ | look on the WoW LJ |
| 13:27.01 | Codayus | Hmm |
| 13:27.05 | Codayus | A) Found it... |
| 13:27.07 | Codayus | B) What? |
| 13:27.51 | Wobin_ | http://www.livejournal.com/users/worldofwarcraft/ |
| 13:27.55 | Codayus | Hmmm. |
| 13:28.07 | Codayus | Cool. |
| 13:28.23 | Codayus | Yes, a link was posted...but it was the link I originally saw, and it's now broken. |
| 13:29.59 | Codayus | But yeah, found it elsewhere. |
| 14:06.12 | End | woogly woogly woogly wooble |
| 14:06.20 | Tain | That person put way too much work into the design of that WoW LJ. |
| 14:14.54 | krka|work | how do you know it was too much? |
| 14:15.10 | Tain | My uninformed judgement. |
| 14:22.08 | Tain | I also have an urge to reach through a monitor and slap Allison around a bit. |
| 14:22.21 | Tain | "Stop talking about deleting frames!" *slap* |
| 14:22.50 | Tain | And also, "Stop trying to question slouken!" *slap* |
| 14:23.06 | [MoonWolf] | slouken is alway's right!! |
| 14:23.14 | [MoonWolf] | ~praise slouken |
| 14:23.16 | purl | All hail slouken! |
| 14:23.25 | Tain | Raise a statue! |
| 14:23.45 | Tain | Who needs St. Patrick's Day, I propose St. Slouken's Day! |
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| 14:35.31 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 14:44.54 | [MoonWolf] | http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/content/pic2934.jpg |
| 14:46.18 | Corrodias | hah |
| 14:47.04 | [MoonWolf] | most likely done on purpose |
| 14:47.05 | [MoonWolf] | but still |
| 14:47.18 | Corrodias | showing totally voluntary search bars is a little deceptive but the image is amusing anyway |
| 14:50.09 | End | reminds me of when I did this: http://endif.cjb.net/misc/firefox-chrome-fun.png |
| 14:50.34 | End | Actually, I did that just now, but that was because I had to recreate the screenshot. :P |
| 14:50.56 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 14:51.46 | End | it used to be adding one more level of ...bars would crash it |
| 14:51.51 | End | but it looks like they fixed that bug |
| 14:52.09 | End | (although now I notice the buttons are grayed out) |
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| 14:59.37 | Tain | XP booting on Macintels. |
| 15:00.09 | Osagasu | Vista won't be able to at all, not even theoretically. ;_: |
| 15:00.37 | Tain | That's what they say today. |
| 15:02.58 | [MoonWolf] | and skype cant do 10 person calls on amd's |
| 15:03.03 | [MoonWolf] | bwahaahahaaha |
| 15:03.21 | Tain | hehe |
| 15:11.23 | JoshBorke | would UnitName("target") be the reliable target when SPELLCAST_START is triggered? |
| 15:12.45 | krka|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.54 | JoshBorke | :-( then how can i get the target? |
| 15:13.00 | Tain | Now this is a crazy-ass keyboard/controller. http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/alphagrip.ars |
| 15:13.06 | krka|work | ask the one who cast it |
| 15:13.30 | JoshBorke | SPELLCAST_START is only triggered when the current player starts a spellcast, right? |
| 15:13.33 | krka|work | i like to start casting sheep and the immediately change target |
| 15:13.44 | krka|work | ah... good point |
| 15:13.48 | krka|work | in that case, i'd say yes |
| 15:14.04 | krka|work | another event for other players spellcast start |
| 15:15.16 | JoshBorke | otherwise it is CHAT_MSG_SPELL_FRIENDLYPLAYER_BUFF |
| 15:15.25 | JoshBorke | for other players |
| 15:15.34 | JoshBorke | which is annoying because that is called both when the spell starts and when it lands |
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| 15:53.01 | Osagasu | [10:02] <[MoonWolf]> and skype cant do 10 person calls on amd's <--the problem is thayt Vista won't have the code to support it. Skype had the code, it was just blocked off. |
| 15:53.25 | [MoonWolf] | Osagasu, workaround will be created. |
| 15:53.29 | [MoonWolf] | believe me. |
| 15:56.25 | Tain | If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball. |
| 15:56.48 | [MoonWolf] | thats a new expression. |
| 15:57.20 | krka|work | hmm.. i wonder how hard it would be to hack blizzard signatures |
| 15:58.12 | Tain | That'll be next up, krka. Probably a little more difficult to do reliably given the fact that they can change it every patch. |
| 15:58.20 | Tain | Or at least if/when someone does they'll have to keep doingi t. |
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| 15:58.39 | ckknight | anyone having tooltip scanning issues with 1.10? |
| 16:00.21 | Cairenn|sleep | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=337086&p=1&tmp=1#post337086 |
| 16:00.26 | Tain | Did you see the latest things Legorol posted? |
| 16:00.33 | Tain | That would be them. :) |
| 16:00.35 | krka|work | hmm... |
| 16:00.36 | ckknight | nope |
| 16:00.45 | krka|work | if blizzards client can verify an addon, then so should we |
| 16:01.01 | krka|work | but of course, that doesn't mean we can sign stuff |
| 16:02.33 | krka|work | could try to bruteforce find their key of course |
| 16:03.13 | zeeg | is there something in their TOCs for it |
| 16:03.27 | krka|work | no, they have added new files that deal with it |
| 16:03.35 | krka|work | oooh... maybe I can get slouken to sign autotravel |
| 16:03.49 | krka|work | since only that specific version could be signed, it couldn't misused |
| 16:07.02 | ckknight | sweet, I got it to work |
| 16:10.26 | krka|work | need to persuade slouken to give me a key so i can create signed addon so i can revive AutoTravel |
| 16:10.36 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 16:11.17 | Osagasu | Well, Hire a professional decryptor |
| 16:11.20 | krka|work | why the rofl? :( |
| 16:11.32 | Cairenn | because you know AT isn't coming back |
| 16:11.50 | krka|work | the main argument against AutoTravel seems to be the same functionality can be used for botting, but with signed addons that problem goes away |
| 16:12.07 | krka|work | no i don't :P |
| 16:12.12 | Osagasu | Only until someone fings the seed for the encryption |
| 16:12.19 | Osagasu | *finds |
| 16:12.26 | krka|work | then blizzard changes seed for next patch |
| 16:12.37 | Osagasu | Only if they know about it |
| 16:12.37 | Wobin_ | 1,2,3,4,5,6.... |
| 16:12.49 | krka|work | also, breaking Sha-256 or something similar is going to be HARD |
| 16:13.10 | ckknight | I bet they did a SHA-256 or SHA-512 |
| 16:13.10 | krka|work | they only need to change it if it spreads |
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| 16:13.37 | krka|work | they need RSA or elliptic curve for the assymetric part too |
| 16:13.45 | Osagasu | I thought they also took the ability to automatically move out of the client entirely, and didn't just lock it |
| 16:14.00 | krka|work | sloukens MovePad disproves that |
| 16:14.25 | Osagasu | It uses on and off, it doesn't guide you without your input |
| 16:14.32 | Eraphine|Lab | krka, you might just be the person I'm looking for |
| 16:15.08 | Eraphine|Lab | Is there a way to determine what direction my character has moved? |
| 16:15.09 | Osagasu | That's also assuming that the Blizzard things are plain text to begin with |
| 16:15.39 | Osagasu | It might be just a matter of finding what kind of Data it is and displaying it |
| 16:15.41 | krka|work | yes, that's easy |
| 16:15.48 | krka|work | atleast with access to world map |
| 16:15.53 | Eraphine|Lab | let's say we don't |
| 16:15.58 | krka|work | then it's hard |
| 16:16.02 | Eraphine|Lab | <cry> |
| 16:16.12 | krka|work | you want to know it inside instances? |
| 16:16.14 | zeeg | how does sha-256 compare w/ md5 |
| 16:16.22 | krka|work | it's better! |
| 16:16.31 | zeeg | what's md5's encryption level? |
| 16:16.34 | Eraphine|Lab | I had an idea for an addon that should draw an arrow indicating the direction my character is/was moving. |
| 16:16.37 | krka|work | md5 has basically been broken |
| 16:16.44 | Eraphine|Lab | a vector |
| 16:16.44 | zeeg | anything that's a hash can be broken |
| 16:16.52 | zeeg | its collision |
| 16:17.19 | krka|work | yes... but if you need to test 2^100 combinations you won't succeed with much probability |
| 16:17.29 | zeeg | the auto assault arrows for missions, would be neat for waypoints in wow |
| 16:17.41 | zeeg | krka, you need to test quite a few combinations for md5 as well :) |
| 16:17.48 | krka|work | afaik, no one has found two inputs that hash to the same output |
| 16:17.57 | krka|work | (with SHA-1) |
| 16:18.05 | krka|work | no wait... that's not true |
| 16:18.09 | krka|work | true for SHA-256 though |
| 16:18.24 | zeeg | IIRC md5 is recommended over sha-1 |
| 16:18.28 | ckknight | Eraphine|Lab, check out BetterWaypoints |
| 16:18.31 | zeeg | but i didnt know anything about sha-256 etc. |
| 16:18.32 | krka|work | really? by who? |
| 16:18.37 | zeeg | by developers.. |
| 16:18.42 | krka|work | link? |
| 16:18.47 | ckknight | sha-1 isn't great |
| 16:18.59 | krka|work | neither md5 and sha-1 has been _really_ broken though |
| 16:19.00 | ckknight | I always use sha-256 or sha-512 |
| 16:19.05 | ckknight | those haven't been broken yet |
| 16:19.08 | zeeg | you cant break them |
| 16:19.12 | zeeg | you can only make collision |
| 16:19.16 | krka|work | still hard to find x, such that H(x) = y |
| 16:19.23 | krka|work | for arbitrary y |
| 16:19.24 | ckknight | you can find a way to get collisions faster, zeeg |
| 16:19.31 | krka|work | that is what breaking a hash means |
| 16:19.46 | krka|work | there are different levels of broken |
| 16:21.06 | zeeg | ugh i wish it wasnt so cold outside |
| 16:21.22 | zeeg | need to go wash my car, but i cba if it doesnt warm up a lil bit :P |
| 16:22.22 | zeeg | anyone recommend some newer black people music |
| 16:22.22 | zeeg | :P |
| 16:22.31 | Eraphine|Lab | hrm.. no dice I think |
| 16:22.40 | Eraphine|Lab | GetPlayerMapPosition() only works with world map |
| 16:22.46 | Eraphine|Lab | as Krka said |
| 16:23.03 | Tain | Black people music? |
| 16:23.15 | zeeg | well i could use racial slurs, but yes, black people music |
| 16:23.33 | zeeg | aka, bass :P |
| 16:24.00 | Cairenn | I didn't know that there was "black people" music as opposed to "white people" or "red people" or "yellow people". I thought there was just "music" ... |
| 16:24.39 | Eraphine|Lab | all music is cultural related |
| 16:24.43 | krka|work | Eraphine|Lab, if you were in a party or a raid, you could constantly check interaction distances and try to pinpoint where you are in relation to others and then try to figure out direction |
| 16:24.48 | zeeg | well most people simply call it ni.. music |
| 16:24.50 | krka|work | but that's a huge longshot |
| 16:24.54 | Eraphine|Lab | music is created by people, people have culture |
| 16:24.57 | zeeg | but i figured you people might be opposed to that word :) |
| 16:24.58 | Tain | No zeeg, only ignorant people call it that. |
| 16:25.08 | zeeg | if by ignorant you mean the majority of people who have social lives |
| 16:25.08 | zeeg | ok |
| 16:25.39 | Eraphine|Lab | krka, I don't need to know where my members are |
| 16:25.44 | Cairenn | anyway, no, I don't know any to be able to give you any suggestions, sorry |
| 16:25.46 | Wobin_ | perhaps those you socialise with |
| 16:25.51 | Eraphine|Lab | I mean - that's not the goal |
| 16:25.51 | krka|work | no i know, you'd use that to figure out your direction |
| 16:25.58 | zeeg | i socialize with people that are fun :P |
| 16:26.00 | Eraphine|Lab | nod, and how would I know what direction they were from me? |
| 16:26.10 | Wobin_ | Try looking at the various top ten r&b charts |
| 16:26.19 | krka|work | hmm... no wait, that won't work |
| 16:26.24 | Tain | The fact that you consider it fun calling people racial slurs explains a lot. |
| 16:26.34 | krka|work | well... assuming that they are mostly standing still, you can run around and triangulate them |
| 16:26.42 | zeeg | Tain, who said I call anyone that? |
| 16:26.48 | krka|work | and then you can use your relative distance to people you know position of to figure out direction |
| 16:26.50 | zeeg | its referenced as that, the music, open your eyes |
| 16:26.52 | Cairenn | just stop |
| 16:27.11 | Cairenn | Wobin_ made a reasonable suggestion, just let it go at that |
| 16:27.42 | zeeg | ill just turn on mtv |
| 16:28.05 | Eraphine|Lab | Krka, any idea what kind of information is passed between party/raid members? |
| 16:28.11 | Eraphine|Lab | is it exact x,y? |
| 16:28.36 | krka|work | huh? |
| 16:28.40 | Eraphine|Lab | oh... |
| 16:28.44 | Eraphine|Lab | I think I get where you're coming from.. |
| 16:28.49 | Cairenn | for the record though? if anyone does choose to use racial slurs in this channel, I'll boot their ass so fast it'll make your head spin |
| 16:29.05 | krka|work | would be easier to figure stuff out if the other players in party used the same addon and shared their relative distances |
| 16:29.13 | Eraphine|Lab | damn |
| 16:29.23 | krka|work | but still... you'd only get ranges of distances |
| 16:29.24 | Eraphine|Lab | why doesn't blizzard let us get an x/y for inside an instance |
| 16:29.31 | krka|work | because their UI doesn't need it |
| 16:29.35 | Eraphine|Lab | there's obviously some correlation on the minimap |
| 16:29.41 | krka|work | simple as that, if blizzard doesn't need it, they won't give it |
| 16:29.56 | Eraphine|Lab | I mean, I can see my dot on the minimap, and track the movement of the minimap |
| 16:30.06 | Tain | There's also the fact that it would allow for calculated planning of where to place people to be exactly out of range of attacks for different encounters. |
| 16:30.11 | Eraphine|Lab | If only there was some way I could grab the minimap movement. |
| 16:30.28 | krka|work | hmm... i think there might be |
| 16:30.31 | krka|work | you can send ping signals |
| 16:30.33 | krka|work | and catch them |
| 16:30.46 | krka|work | if you send a ping for 0, 0, your party will receive it |
| 16:31.01 | krka|work | but translated to your relative position to them |
| 16:31.05 | krka|work | i _think_ |
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| 16:31.38 | Eraphine|Lab | Tain, you can get that information from interaction distance |
| 16:31.43 | krka|work | that should actually be enough, if all party used it |
| 16:31.49 | krka|work | send one ping each second |
| 16:32.20 | Tain | Yes yes it's not about the fact that you can get information, it's a matter of how much simpler it would be, and simpler to update on the fly. |
| 16:32.41 | Eraphine|Lab | I hear that |
| 16:32.50 | krka|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_A-Z_%28Full_List%29#MINIMAP_PING |
| 16:33.00 | Eraphine|Lab | however, if i'm not a hunter, I couldn't get the distance I was from the mobs on a minimap anyway |
| 16:33.24 | Eraphine|Lab | Krka that ping isn't scaled is it |
| 16:33.36 | Eraphine|Lab | the x/y isn't I mean. |
| 16:33.43 | Tain | But you could get that information as a hunter, and everyone else could get that information relative to their position to you. |
| 16:33.52 | krka|work | but you said you only wanted direction |
| 16:33.56 | Eraphine|Lab | someone playing on a differnt zoom than I would see the ping in an absolute x/y frame |
| 16:34.14 | Eraphine|Lab | ah... yes.. I'm ways the center of my minimap aren't I. |
| 16:34.18 | krka|work | yes |
| 16:34.41 | krka|work | you need to consecutive pings though, to figure out your relative movement |
| 16:34.44 | krka|work | two |
| 16:34.54 | krka|work | hmm... and that assumes the other one is standing still |
| 16:34.59 | Eraphine|Lab | Hrm... |
| 16:35.01 | krka|work | or that you have multiply allies |
| 16:35.10 | krka|work | then you could figure out how everyone moved |
| 16:35.21 | krka|work | trying to figure out how you can send a ping though |
| 16:35.29 | krka|work | what does onclick on the minimap do? |
| 16:35.56 | Tain | Are pings challenge/response? Does someone else's client have to respond to it? |
| 16:36.10 | krka|work | no |
| 16:36.50 | Eraphine|Lab | What does GetPlayerPosition() return when used inside an instance? |
| 16:36.58 | Eraphine|Lab | ni? |
| 16:37.03 | Eraphine|Lab | bla.. nil ? |
| 16:37.18 | krka|work | ah yes: Minimap:PingLocation(x,y) |
| 16:37.28 | krka|work | GetPlayerPosition??? |
| 16:37.41 | krka|work | if you mean GetPlayerMapPosition, then 0, 0 |
| 16:37.48 | Eraphine|Lab | oh thankyou |
| 16:38.05 | krka|work | PingLocation and the MINIMAP_PING event should be enough |
| 16:38.17 | krka|work | you can probably also figure out scale |
| 16:38.30 | Eraphine|Lab | krka, how do you know that the x/y is translated? |
| 16:38.51 | krka|work | look at the source for minimap |
| 16:38.55 | krka|work | 0, 0 is center of minimap |
| 16:40.43 | krka|work | the interesting part is getting two sets of points and figure out how everyone moved |
| 16:41.04 | krka|work | you'd probably want to use least square method |
| 16:41.44 | Eraphine|Lab | hrm.. hrm.. |
| 16:41.57 | krka|work | wouldn't be very precise I'm guessing |
| 16:42.21 | krka|work | i bet you could get Legorol to investigate :) |
| 16:42.49 | Eraphine|Lab | if ( sqrt(x * x + y * y) < (Minimap:GetWidth() / 2) ) then |
| 16:43.08 | Eraphine|Lab | hrm. |
| 16:44.11 | krka|work | that just checks that the ping is inside the minimap |
| 16:44.13 | Eraphine|Lab | it's too much work for an addon |
| 16:44.49 | krka|work | nah |
| 16:44.54 | Eraphine|Lab | nobody would every use it, including me |
| 16:45.01 | krka|work | lot of fun work, little boring work |
| 16:46.07 | Tain | heh sort of like my resource tracking auto-alert addon. It works, but a bit too much going on inside the guts for the payoff. |
| 16:47.37 | krka|work | i find that kind of code to be much more fun to write though |
| 16:47.41 | krka|work | than 1000 lines of xml |
| 16:48.09 | Tain | I'd rather write 1000 lines of lua than 10 of xml. |
| 17:04.01 | ckknight | Is there some way in Windows to have a symbolic link of a folder? I want my Interface\AddOns and WoWTest\Interface\AddOns to be the same thing |
| 17:04.21 | ckknight | I don't like copy-pasting, and I sometimes edit the wrong one and wonder why it isn't updating |
| 17:04.50 | Adrine|Gone | Well, you could map a virtual drive |
| 17:04.52 | Tain | Yes there is, ckknight. With NTFS |
| 17:04.53 | Adrine|Gone | Kinda a hack though |
| 17:05.14 | ckknight | I'm okay with hacks |
| 17:05.16 | Tain | You can create the equivilent of symbolic links, you just can't create them with Explorer for some reason. |
| 17:05.20 | ckknight | Tain, yea, I have NTFS |
| 17:05.30 | ckknight | hrm |
| 17:05.55 | Tain | Here's what I use: http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Junction.html |
| 17:06.09 | Tain | Native support in NTFS is there, just not the ability to create them for some reason. |
| 17:06.32 | ckknight | hrm |
| 17:06.37 | ckknight | maybe it's too confusing for end users |
| 17:11.37 | ckknight | thanks, Tain, you're a pimp |
| 17:12.03 | Qzot | Gooooooood morning, Wowi-lounge! |
| 17:12.15 | Cairenn | morning Qzot |
| 17:12.21 | ckknight | hey Ozot |
| 17:12.30 | Cairenn | watch that lately, did you? |
| 17:12.35 | Cairenn | good movie |
| 17:13.07 | Qzot | Hehe. A couple months ago. |
| 17:13.12 | Qzot | I like early Robin Williams. |
| 17:13.19 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 17:13.37 | JoshBorke | morning qzot |
| 17:13.52 | Qzot | Good morning, Josh. |
| 17:14.10 | Qzot | Have we *cough* tabled the discussion of what I put up on wowwiki? |
| 17:14.19 | Adrine | I have made an amazing discovery. |
| 17:14.41 | Adrine | As a rogue, accidentally spamming a healing-to-you report in raid chat rather than in the rogue channel tends to attract much more healing than usual! |
| 17:14.53 | Tain | I love Robin Williams standup. Some of the best stuff. |
| 17:15.19 | Adrine | In BWL last night, I was testing and fine-tuning my healing meter, wasn't getting too much healing, kept myself up with bandages for the most part |
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| 17:15.41 | Adrine | Accidentally spammed /ra with the report...and for the rest of the run, I had a paladin heal-humping my leg. |
| 17:15.44 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 17:15.53 | Adrine | Now that I was complaining, but it was am amusing side-effect. |
| 17:15.56 | Adrine | not* |
| 17:15.59 | Adrine | an* |
| 17:16.04 | Adrine | I can't type. Need coffee. |
| 17:16.28 | Qzot | Um. I thought SOP was that if rogues were pulling agro, they deserved to bandage themselves. (Hearsay, I've never been in BWL.) |
| 17:16.41 | Adrine | Problems tends to be AOE damage rather than direct damage |
| 17:16.51 | Adrine | If rogues pull aggro in BWL, they disintegrate into a fine red mist. |
| 17:17.05 | Qzot | Well, you should be doing a ranged attack, then, right? :D |
| 17:17.23 | Adrine | Not necessarily. Vael has a range-based AOE that hits pretty much everyone every few seconds |
| 17:17.35 | Adrine | Firemaw hits everyone in his LOS with a stacking fire debuff |
| 17:17.40 | Qzot | Vael? Okay, I'll try to group with him. |
| 17:18.05 | Adrine | Razorgore is just a zerg rush that has NPC mages with arcane explosion going off all the time, so you tend to take a lot of damage from that. |
| 17:18.39 | Adrine | Broodlord isn't too bad, since he just has a blast wave you can sit outside of, but you have to drop him pretty fast before the mages hit the tank's aggro ceiling. |
| 17:18.56 | JoshBorke | Qzot: indeed |
| 17:19.14 | Qzot | JoshBorke: indeed to what? |
| 17:19.24 | JoshBorke | Qzot: tabled the discussion |
| 17:19.40 | Qzot | JoshBorke: ahhkay. |
| 17:21.50 | Shouryuu | arghhhhhhhhhhh http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f104/bappomy/CUTE.jpg my eyessss |
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| 17:22.25 | JoshBorke | rofl |
| 17:22.37 | Cairenn | heheh, yeah, it's back |
| 17:23.08 | Kirkburn | What's the current test version? |
| 17:23.21 | Cairenn | sec |
| 17:23.49 | ckknight | 0.10.0.5162 |
| 17:23.54 | Cairenn | what he said |
| 17:23.55 | Kirkburn | (I'm playing an online Murloc RPG atm, rather fun!) |
| 17:24.23 | Kirkburn | Then what's the meaning of this ... http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-realm-test/183671.htm |
| 17:25.20 | ckknight | ...? |
| 17:25.25 | Cairenn | no idea, since that isn't correct |
| 17:25.33 | ckknight | I haven't seen 5170 in the wild |
| 17:25.39 | Cairenn | it isn't, yet |
| 17:25.44 | Kirkburn | My thoughts indeed |
| 17:25.55 | Cairenn | unless they pushed it for the EU community |
| 17:26.01 | Kirkburn | I'll have a check |
| 17:26.16 | Cairenn | which forums are those? NA or EU? |
| 17:26.29 | End | na |
| 17:26.35 | Cairenn | odd |
| 17:26.50 | Tain | Anti-cute http://crushingdreams.com/images/stitch_wow.png |
| 17:26.56 | End | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-test&t=183671&p=#post183671 |
| 17:26.59 | End | :P |
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| 17:27.38 | End | and honestly, I just followed the link... :P |
| 17:27.57 | Kirkburn | I see nothing on the EU forums ... looks like there's another release coming then |
| 17:28.18 | ckknight | guess so |
| 17:28.43 | Kirkburn | The Murloc RPG! http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/301531 |
| 17:29.08 | Shouryuu | lol tain |
| 17:29.29 | Adrine | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/healcap2.jpg |
| 17:29.33 | Adrine | My healing meter is working! :D |
| 17:29.35 | ckknight | if I do CreateFrame("Frame", "Alpha"), can I then access Alpha as a global? |
| 17:29.49 | JoshBorke | Adrine: pretty :-) |
| 17:30.13 | Shouryuu | that's very nice indeed |
| 17:30.43 | End | ckknight, I'm pretty sure that's the idea. |
| 17:31.02 | Adrine | a bit more alpha testing from my guild and I'll post a build :) |
| 17:31.06 | ckknight | okay |
| 17:31.08 | Adrine | Well. A zip. |
| 17:31.57 | Kirkburn | Not a rawr? |
| 17:32.15 | End | Adrine, is that just incoming to player heals? |
| 17:32.28 | End | or everyone? |
| 17:32.53 | Adrine | Just heals incoming to you |
| 17:33.00 | End | ok |
| 17:33.10 | Adrine | I was motivated to write it because we, err, have a few healers that tend to slack and blame various things |
| 17:33.19 | Adrine | And stories don't match up, and I like writing addons. >_> |
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| 17:34.59 | Cairenn | morning malreth :) |
| 17:35.00 | ckknight | you didn't initiate a hardware event, sorry |
| 17:35.04 | ckknight | Ignore? Disable? |
| 17:35.31 | malreth | mornin' Cair-Cair |
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| 17:35.37 | Cairenn | :) |
| 17:35.42 | End | er, do hard ware events generate the popup? |
| 17:35.51 | End | I thought was just blizz-protected |
| 17:35.55 | ckknight | I dunno |
| 17:36.02 | ckknight | I think you're right, End |
| 17:36.06 | ckknight | I haven't played with it |
| 17:36.41 | malreth | SpellStopCasting() is not a protected function. It just requires a hardware event in 1.10. |
| 17:37.00 | Ktron|zZz | Kirkburn, this rocks! |
| 17:37.13 | Kirkburn | I just dinged lvl 10 :D |
| 17:41.02 | Qzot | Me, too. |
| 17:41.08 | Qzot | mt |
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| 17:52.21 | Eraphine|Lab | adrine have you checked out healtracker? |
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| 17:59.44 | ckknight | in 1.9, what does a tooltip need to go through in order to do a successful tooltip:SetInventoryItem("player", index)? |
| 18:00.18 | Ktron|zZz | Kirkburn, what talents did you go? |
| 18:00.37 | Kirkburn | Hello ... er, I went for the second melee tree |
| 18:00.38 | ckknight | also, it's a derived tooltip, not GameTooltip |
| 18:00.44 | Ktron|zZz | cold blood and so on? |
| 18:00.50 | Kirkburn | I think so |
| 18:00.50 | Ktron|zZz | the sorta rogue one? |
| 18:00.56 | Kirkburn | WHat's the third talent? |
| 18:01.14 | Ktron|zZz | I think cold blood... let me check |
| 18:01.17 | Kirkburn | The critical strike talent is by far the best |
| 18:01.33 | Ktron|zZz | yeah, that's cold blood, and it i the third |
| 18:01.36 | Ktron|zZz | yeah, its insane |
| 18:01.39 | Kirkburn | Yeah, that one :) |
| 18:02.13 | Kirkburn | I haven't got past lvl 10, I'm hoping that the save game thing actually works |
| 18:02.30 | Kirkburn | (up against a bloody healer with unlimited mana!) |
| 18:02.42 | Ktron|zZz | heh |
| 18:02.42 | MentalPower | ckknight: the only requirement in 1.9 is that the object inherits from GameTooltipTemplate |
| 18:03.00 | Ktron|zZz | Fenrus pwned me once already |
| 18:03.06 | Ktron|zZz | I realized I needed to grind some before I could take him |
| 18:03.52 | MentalPower | ckknight: "<GameTooltip name="ItemizerHidden" inherits="GameTooltipTemplate" parent="UIParent" hidden="true"/>" in your XML file |
| 18:04.11 | ckknight | I have that |
| 18:04.21 | MentalPower | then you should be fine |
| 18:04.34 | MentalPower | unless you want it to actually be seen |
| 18:04.38 | ckknight | I don't |
| 18:04.56 | ckknight | after I do BossPanel_DurabilityTooltip:SetInventoryItem("player", id) |
| 18:05.00 | ckknight | BossPanel_DurabilityTooltip:NumLines() == 0 |
| 18:05.09 | Kirkburn | Ktron ... that was quick! What lvl are you? |
| 18:05.10 | ckknight | when it should be somewhere between 4 and 6 |
| 18:05.17 | Shouryuu | hahaha http://oinkylicious.byethost10.com/shirts/yossarian176_10.png |
| 18:05.18 | Ktron|zZz | 5 |
| 18:05.20 | MentalPower | hehe, theres a bug in the tooltip filling code |
| 18:05.28 | MentalPower | you need to have a smaller name |
| 18:05.28 | Ktron|zZz | Kirkburn, I haven't beaten him yet heh |
| 18:05.29 | Kirkburn | lol, well that is a bit low :) |
| 18:05.32 | Shouryuu | oink is a music only torrent site, I am *going* to buy that T shirt |
| 18:05.32 | ckknight | oh |
| 18:05.33 | ckknight | dammit. |
| 18:05.43 | ckknight | thanks a lot |
| 18:05.50 | ckknight | how small? |
| 18:05.51 | MentalPower | np |
| 18:06.02 | Ktron | Think I'm going to try to take him again at 6 |
| 18:06.13 | ckknight | cause that's 27 now |
| 18:06.16 | MentalPower | smaller than ItemizerHiddenTooltip |
| 18:06.40 | MentalPower | that onew will get filled up to $parentTextleft9 |
| 18:06.49 | Kirkburn | Ktron ... so you've already done all the Princess stuff? |
| 18:06.56 | Ktron | Princess? |
| 18:06.57 | MentalPower | cause $parentTextleft10 is too big and it borks out |
| 18:07.04 | Ktron | heh, I guess I didn't explore very well |
| 18:07.07 | ckknight | gah. |
| 18:07.23 | ckknight | it worked in 1.10, but not 1.9 |
| 18:07.28 | MentalPower | TextLeft10* |
| 18:07.28 | ckknight | hrm |
| 18:07.29 | Kirkburn | Er, this mage is in the cave? |
| 18:07.37 | MentalPower | yeah, it was fixed in 1.10 |
| 18:07.41 | ckknight | okay |
| 18:07.51 | MentalPower | the new limit is ~200 chars |
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| 18:12.56 | ckknight | alright then |
| 18:14.47 | ckknight | can a frame made with CreateFrame() inherit another frame, or does that have to be done manually? |
| 18:15.02 | Adrine | Eraphine|Lab: Sorry, was distracted. I think I found it after I'd put a bunch of work into healcap, so kinda. :) |
| 18:15.19 | Adrine | ckknight: Having not looked at it, maybe you can set an "inherits" attribute? |
| 18:16.04 | Tain | Right now it's all manual it seems, ckknight. Unless something new has popped up. |
| 18:16.16 | ckknight | hrm |
| 18:16.25 | ckknight | it certainly would be handy to have inheritance |
| 18:17.43 | Adrine | Handy? I'd say it's a near requirement. ;) |
| 18:17.50 | End | well, you pretty much only inherit from virtual firms |
| 18:17.52 | End | er |
| 18:17.53 | End | frames |
| 18:17.55 | Tain | Yeah, in the mean time I'm thinking of having to create a bunch of base "classes" to call to create frames, and list everything in the "class" that you need. But that's a workaround. |
| 18:17.55 | Adrine | If I'm creating frames programmatically, I'll likely be creating a lot of the same or similar frames |
| 18:18.10 | malreth | Adrine: then just use a for-loop |
| 18:18.14 | End | but those don't exist anymore when you do CreateFrame() |
| 18:18.20 | Adrine | malreth: I know, but at that point... |
| 18:18.34 | Adrine | ..it makes sense to define a virtual frame and then create X frames that inherit from your virtual frame |
| 18:18.43 | Tain | Like they are in XML. |
| 18:18.48 | Adrine | Right, exactly |
| 18:18.59 | Adrine | I have <Frame name="myFrame" virtual="true"> ... </Frame> |
| 18:19.06 | Tain | I guess I always assumed it would be the same creating them programmatically. |
| 18:19.07 | Adrine | And rather than defining 40 frames that inherit from it... |
| 18:19.07 | malreth | or define the code to make one frame... then loop |
| 18:19.32 | Adrine | I'd like to be able to for i = 1,30 do CreateFrame("ChildFrame" .. i, "myFrame"); end |
| 18:19.34 | Adrine | If that makes sense. |
| 18:19.45 | Tain | I know it was asked about in the 1.10 thread somewhere so I'm sure slouken knows about the request. |
| 18:19.48 | Adrine | malreth: Yeah, you could do it that way, of course, but then you have to define it from the ground up with code |
| 18:20.14 | Adrine | I'm just thinking "get the common stuff out of the way in XML, clone and specialize in code" |
| 18:20.14 | Adrine | Or actually... |
| 18:20.15 | Adrine | Can you copy frames? |
| 18:20.20 | Adrine | Clone a frame, as it were? |
| 18:20.25 | malreth | no, not currently |
| 18:20.29 | Adrine | (I haven't looked at the 1.10 API changes in depth at all) |
| 18:20.48 | malreth | though you could probably write a function that effectively cloned a frame for you |
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| 18:21.01 | malreth | s/cloned/clones/ |
| 18:21.17 | malreth | purl, thank you |
| 18:21.17 | purl | no problem, malreth |
| 18:21.33 | Adrine | Hah. I'd never seen purl in action before. |
| 18:21.42 | malreth | purl, botsnack |
| 18:21.42 | purl | malreth: :) |
| 18:27.05 | Cairenn | ~rlart |
| 18:31.15 | Kirkburn|Coop | For those who didn't see it earlier, this is how to while away the time when the servers are down (and your addon doesn't need work!) ... the Murloc RPG! http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/301531 |
| 18:31.45 | Ktron | weee, I'm 9 |
| 18:32.33 | Kirkburn|Coop | hehe |
| 18:32.59 | Adrine | Random question that probably better belongs elsewhere: |
| 18:33.13 | Adrine | Anyone know if Firemaw is vulnerable to Crippling Poison's snare? |
| 18:33.24 | Adrine | I know he's vulnerable to instant/deadly |
| 18:36.31 | malreth | Firemaw *is* instantly deadly. |
| 18:36.51 | Adrine | This is also true. |
| 18:37.48 | Adrine | We've cleared him several times now, but he's still a major thorn in our side. Trying to figure out some way to keep him somewhat controlled when the aggro bounce doesn't exactly work as planned. We had tanks last night taunting to eat the wing buffet...and then Firemaw would stick on them, run off, port the MT to him and eat him, and then proceed to roast the rest of us. |
| 18:37.51 | Adrine | It was unpleasant :( |
| 18:38.44 | Wobin_ | Aw |
| 18:38.53 | Wobin_ | I wanted to have original spells/skills for the murlocs |
| 18:39.29 | Adrine | I've had this idea kicking around for "World of Workcraft". |
| 18:39.42 | Adrine | Reload the page, get a new drop (randomly pulled from Allakhazam/Thott) |
| 18:39.47 | Adrine | Decide whether to keep it trash it |
| 18:39.54 | Adrine | Rinse, repeat 90000 times |
| 18:40.01 | Adrine | Yay, you're uber now! |
| 18:40.06 | Adrine | I dunno. I think it could be amusing. |
| 18:40.15 | malreth | ah... i miss progressquest |
| 18:40.22 | Kirkburn|Here | Install it then :P |
| 18:41.25 | Kirkburn|Here | Bramwhop, lvl 33 Panda Man and Puma Burglar |
| 18:41.26 | malreth | http://www.progressquest.com/dl.php |
| 18:41.48 | Kirkburn|Here | Vavoon, lvl 25 Battle-Finch and Mu-Fu Monk |
| 18:43.32 | Tain | Tain, level 74 Skraeling Battle-Felon. |
| 18:43.33 | Tain | http://progressquest.com/expo.php?name=Tain |
| 18:43.51 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 18:43.56 | ckknight | wtf, how do I do <Frame name="$parentMenu" inherits="UIDropDownMenuTemplate" hidden="false"/> with 1.10 in Lua? |
| 18:44.31 | Tain | erm well.. I've been approaching it from the assumption that I have to create everything in UIDropDownMenuTemplate in Lua myself. |
| 18:44.36 | Tain | Which has put off my ambition a bit. |
| 18:44.48 | ckknight | this system is severely flawed |
| 18:45.26 | Tain | It's all or nothing. If you don't use XML to create the frame you can't use it at all. |
| 18:45.35 | Tain | It certainly isn't exactly what I was envisioning. |
| 18:48.27 | Adrine | Eh, it's a start |
| 18:48.37 | Adrine | Maybe we'll get inherit/clone methods in a later release |
| 18:48.48 | ckknight | I think it'd be possible to write your own "clone" function |
| 18:48.52 | Adrine | Though like malreth said, it should be possible to write a function or library that clones a frame |
| 18:50.00 | Kirkburn|Here | Tain, how long have you been running that!? |
| 18:50.19 | Ktron | woot progress quest! |
| 18:50.38 | Kirkburn|Here | I'm only on Acts II and III :S |
| 18:50.51 | Ktron | I have a level 55 something of another, and I have a level 51 Skraeling Ur-Paladin |
| 18:54.37 | Shouryuu | why does everyone want to put if then's everywhere? I want to cast X when I can, otherwise cast Y... /cast X /cast Y... whipeeeeee... Get an RogueSpam and you'll never once again notice the error message... |
| 18:54.39 | Tain | Kirkburn: I started it at least 5 years ago. Has to be more. Adn I actually haven't run it in about 2 years. |
| 18:54.50 | Shouryuu | wow |
| 18:54.54 | Shouryuu | 5 years of progress quest |
| 18:54.59 | Kirkburn|Here | Lol ... http://www.cosmosui.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14157 |
| 18:55.10 | Tain | Only 1599 in the top people too. |
| 18:55.19 | Legorol | Can someone remind me of Iriel's email address? |
| 18:55.35 | Tain | something somethign vigilance-commitee something |
| 18:55.46 | Qzot | .org |
| 18:55.54 | Kirkburn|Here | Maybe the second something is @? |
| 18:55.58 | Qzot | iriel@vigilance-committee.org |
| 18:55.58 | Legorol | i love you guys, you are so great! |
| 18:56.09 | Legorol | thanks Qzot ;-) |
| 18:56.12 | Wobin_ | I was going to suggest the first one being iriel =) |
| 18:56.22 | Legorol | all right, you guys hacked it.. |
| 18:56.23 | Legorol | cheerio |
| 18:56.25 | Tain | License.txt I have from my pq.exe directory is dated 4/7/2002 |
| 18:56.26 | Kirkburn|Here | See, we'd have managed to stick it all together :P |
| 18:56.36 | Tain | But I know that's not the earliest version. |
| 18:56.38 | Crispix | Wooo DIng 32 .. :D |
| 18:56.57 | Kirkburn|Here | Hakkar: Grats! |
| 18:57.22 | Wobin_ | Woo, a congratulations from Hakkar =P |
| 18:57.33 | Wobin_ | You're in the big leauges now, kiddo =) |
| 18:57.44 | Tain | heh damnit, I was putting off getting my linux system back up because I thought I really screwed something up when it wouldn't boot up headless. |
| 18:57.54 | Kirkburn|Here | Nefarian: w00t! |
| 18:58.05 | Tain | Just powered it on with a monitor, single entry in my grub was off (still dont' know why but...) |
| 18:58.06 | Tain | Back up! |
| 18:58.31 | Kirkburn|Here | Tain, do you speak english that I can understand? |
| 18:58.59 | Wobin_ | Only on Tuesdays |
| 18:59.03 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 18:59.20 | Tain | Next Tuesday! |
| 18:59.42 | Shouryuu | when's the patch coming out? 2 weeks? |
| 18:59.54 | Ktron | Kirkburn|Here, just made 10... off to get goblin dynamite:) |
| 18:59.58 | Tain | I hope not, I have so much more to test and fix. |
| 19:00.03 | Cairenn | Shouryuu: won't be before that, that's for sure |
| 19:00.08 | Kirkburn|Here | Ktron, now you can experience the healer ... |
| 19:00.18 | Kirkburn|Here | ktron, I hope you've got a stun skill |
| 19:00.18 | Ktron | is Fagnus the healer? |
| 19:00.27 | Cairenn | the 28th at the absolute earliest |
| 19:00.28 | Ktron | I've got pummel |
| 19:00.40 | Kirkburn|Here | Healer is a kobold |
| 19:01.02 | Kirkburn|Here | He's an ass ... only 500hp, but he heals every bloody time |
| 19:02.09 | Ktron | did you get him? |
| 19:03.38 | Kirkburn|Here | No, died |
| 19:03.47 | Kirkburn|Here | After about 5 minutes ... |
| 19:03.58 | Kirkburn|Here | Actually, no it was probably 15 |
| 19:04.13 | Kirkburn|Here | He does tiny dmg, but he just won't die *cry* |
| 19:05.01 | Ktron | I'm killing miners right now |
| 19:07.23 | Kirkburn|Here | Ooh,there's gonna be an expansion to the WoW Board game |
| 19:07.43 | Adrine | I hear that they aren't revealing one of the new pieces, though. |
| 19:07.48 | Kirkburn|Here | http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=611 |
| 19:07.52 | Kirkburn|Here | hmmmm |
| 19:08.27 | Kirkburn|Here | i.e. the alliance race piece? |
| 19:08.49 | Kirkburn|Here | Also, a Starcraft boardgame is in the works |
| 19:13.01 | Ktron | got him:) |
| 19:14.44 | Kirkburn|Here | Well done |
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| 19:15.06 | Kirkburn|Here | I think this video somewhat proves the existance of DM teleport hackers: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-530519624422454044&q=w |
| 19:16.20 | Adrine | Well, that's pretty hard to refute. |
| 19:16.32 | Adrine | Though. Uh. |
| 19:16.37 | Ktron | Kirkburn|Here, heh, actually, after you turn in the rune, its the end of the game for now |
| 19:16.44 | Adrine | That window looks an awful lot like a WoW UI window |
| 19:16.45 | Kirkburn|Here | Ktron ... nooo |
| 19:17.08 | Ktron | you open the portal, and it tells you you're going to go to a camp in the barrens, but they haven't made that part of the game yet |
| 19:17.23 | Kirkburn|Here | lol ... still excellent start isn't it |
| 19:17.33 | Ktron | no wait! |
| 19:17.54 | Ktron | There is more:) |
| 19:20.17 | malreth | http://foshata.com/?fsh=IOI |
| 19:20.51 | Adrine | Hahaha |
| 19:21.04 | malreth | man, i just found that site and i'm in love |
| 19:21.08 | Kirkburn|Here | Ktron? |
| 19:21.15 | malreth | i've been playing with it all during my lunch break |
| 19:21.22 | Ktron | Kirkburn|Here, yeah, I'm at the darkmoon fair atm:) |
| 19:21.59 | Kirkburn|Here | malreth, lol |
| 19:22.37 | Kirkburn|Here | Worst video ever ... this guy doesn't understand how to make a funny video. As someone said, it's like watching a train wreck ... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7523059798810612336 |
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| 19:23.58 | Cairenn | hey hey Beladona :) |
| 19:24.03 | Beladona | heya |
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| 19:24.56 | Beladona | sorry for not being around lately. I try to only log in if I have time to actually sit and talk once in a while |
| 19:25.11 | Beladona | which just isn't the case lately |
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| 19:25.17 | kaiden | SOOOOOO... who wants to help me figure out wtf mod is doing this to my ui? :) http://wow.easilyaddicted.com/screenshots/WTFISTHIS.jpg |
| 19:25.31 | kaiden | It's creating a casting bar like countdown of debuffs i have on mobs |
| 19:25.47 | kaiden | i've disabled 1 by 1 every mod nearly i think at least the ones i think could cause it and it's still there |
| 19:25.48 | Adrine | Looks like Carnival |
| 19:25.51 | Beladona | would help to know what mods you have running |
| 19:25.54 | kaiden | I dont have carnival though hehe |
| 19:25.55 | Ktron | looks usefyl |
| 19:26.05 | Cairenn | Beladona: not a problem, know it's a busy time of year for you right now |
| 19:26.06 | kaiden | http://wow.easillyaddicted.com/screenshots/AddonList.jpg |
| 19:26.07 | Beladona | that is nice though |
| 19:26.09 | kaiden | is my list of addons |
| 19:26.14 | kaiden | it is useful, if i knew how to move it |
| 19:26.18 | Cairenn | link no good |
| 19:26.21 | kaiden | but it appears on top of my casting bar / etc |
| 19:26.25 | Beladona | alert, dead link |
| 19:26.27 | Beladona | woowoo |
| 19:26.35 | Adrine | Remove an "l" from "easilly" |
| 19:26.41 | kaiden | whoops too many l's ;) |
| 19:26.42 | kaiden | http://wow.easilyaddicted.com/screenshots/AddonList.jpg |
| 19:26.50 | Adrine | eCastingBar maybe |
| 19:27.07 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.12 | Adrine | QuuSpellAlert possible |
| 19:27.13 | Cairenn | quuspell alert? |
| 19:27.13 | Ktron | I don't think so |
| 19:27.22 | kaiden | eCastingBar is for the default casting bar |
| 19:27.25 | Ktron | eCastingBar is basically just a skin for hte casting bar I think |
| 19:27.27 | kaiden | QuuSpellAlert i just added |
| 19:27.38 | Adrine | What's BonusScanner? |
| 19:27.49 | Cairenn | so try taking it back out :p |
| 19:27.50 | kaiden | scans all your equipment for it's bonusses, for titan panel |
| 19:27.50 | Adrine | Ah, ok, ItemBonuses |
| 19:27.52 | Kirkburn|Here | Scans for your bonuses |
| 19:27.54 | Ktron | QuuSpellAlert... what does Neptune do? |
| 19:27.57 | Wobin_ | used to figure out totals for bonuses |
| 19:28.01 | Kirkburn|Here | Bonuses! |
| 19:28.03 | kaiden | Neptune is my own little mod for various things |
| 19:28.04 | Wobin_ | like +123 Healing |
| 19:28.09 | kaiden | of which doesn't include the timer stuff hehe |
| 19:28.19 | Ktron | Maybe HuntersHelper |
| 19:28.41 | Wobin_ | That'd be it |
| 19:29.03 | malreth | http://foshata.com/?fsh=ION |
| 19:29.22 | kaiden | HuntersHelper is disabled |
| 19:29.44 | Adrine | Try grepping your addon directory for UnitName("target") |
| 19:29.51 | Ktron | Or just disable all of your addons, and enable them in groups, until you find the group that does it |
| 19:30.23 | Adrine | Also try grepping for -> |
| 19:31.16 | Ktron | question is whether he knows what grep is, or how to do it in windows |
| 19:31.37 | malreth | step 1: install cygwin |
| 19:31.50 | Ktron | psh, that's too much work for something this simple |
| 19:31.50 | Tain | You can do it in Explorder. |
| 19:31.55 | Adrine | grep = find in files |
| 19:32.01 | Ktron | yeah, you can just use Explorder: |
| 19:32.02 | Ktron | :) |
| 19:32.05 | kaiden | lol yes, i'm an old linux fogy |
| 19:32.06 | kaiden | i know what grep is ;) |
| 19:32.08 | Wobin_ | hrm, those are the weirdest bars for casting |
| 19:32.33 | Tain | Of course I do love the WinGrep program I have. :) |
| 19:32.36 | Ktron | I'm certainly curious what addon is doing that |
| 19:33.05 | kaiden | so am i :P it's driving me batty |
| 19:35.51 | kaiden | i bet you it is Healer/Nuker |
| 19:35.59 | kaiden | i wonder if nuker has that built into it by Pilardi |
| 19:36.21 | Beladona | thats the one addon I was having trouble finding |
| 19:36.32 | Beladona | and yes, I ahve been sitting here looking up each addon I wasn't familiar with |
| 19:36.35 | kaiden | yup i was right |
| 19:36.36 | Beladona | =P |
| 19:36.38 | kaiden | it's Nuker |
| 19:37.16 | Beladona | your addon directory makes me want to cry |
| 19:37.34 | Kirkburn|Here | Would anyone like a Windows Messenger Live invite? |
| 19:37.51 | kaiden | Beladona, why? :) |
| 19:38.06 | malreth | bah... i have 140 addons installed on my system |
| 19:38.07 | Ktron | heh, I don't think so... *remembers Windows Messenger spam messages and the trouble it takes to uninstall windows messenger* |
| 19:38.17 | Kirkburn|Here | Not the same thing Ktron |
| 19:38.21 | Beladona | I am jsut a minimalist |
| 19:38.36 | kaiden | actually it's not many addons, it's just most of those addons are broken down into seperate pieces so you can turn functionality on and off |
| 19:38.44 | Kirkburn|Here | Windows live Messenger (er, yes, I wrote it wrong before) is the new version of MSN Messenger |
| 19:38.44 | Beladona | when I see more than 10 addons (not counting Blizzard_ stuff) I get trigger happy |
| 19:39.23 | Beladona | is that the website based one? |
| 19:39.34 | malreth | but but.. i NEED the addon that makes the ambulance pop up... |
| 19:39.56 | kaiden | lol i love mya ddons, they make the game fun and pretty! :P |
| 19:40.07 | kaiden | plus i have a very powerful computer so it can handle the lag :P |
| 19:40.25 | malreth | ooh... i have another idea for an awesome addon... one that makes a stack of pancakes on your screen |
| 19:40.36 | malreth | and you can click on it... and there'll be more pancakes |
| 19:40.46 | kaiden | wowzers, what a great .. addon :P |
| 19:40.51 | malreth | i like pancakes |
| 19:40.54 | kaiden | now if only you could figure out how to make it so they were real pancakes |
| 19:41.00 | kaiden | then i wouldn't be starving all the time |
| 19:41.08 | Ktron | I think someone should make a graphical targetting addon |
| 19:41.20 | Ktron | ie, a list of your party on the left |
| 19:41.23 | Ktron | a list of targets on the right |
| 19:41.32 | Ktron | and Arrows that show targetting between them:) |
| 19:41.45 | malreth | hmm... |
| 19:41.55 | Kirkburn|Here | http://foshata.com/?fsh=IP3 |
| 19:42.02 | malreth | so you'd be able to see if everyone is targeting the same mob or not |
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| 19:42.39 | Ktron | yep, so it'd be really obvious if people are or aren't |
| 19:42.43 | Ktron | and who wasn't |
| 19:42.52 | Beladona | Kirkburn, I would love to try Messneger Live |
| 19:42.57 | Beladona | if you have spare invites |
| 19:43.06 | Ktron | because their arrow wouldn't be pointing to the right target... and you can just click on the target pictures to switch target to the correct one, etc |
| 19:43.14 | Kirkburn|Here | I do ... got one from Paul Thurrot (he of Winsupersite fame) |
| 19:43.45 | malreth | it'd be nice for arranging targets for things like core hound packs or the little garrlings |
| 19:44.03 | malreth | although CTRA does that, i think with the target manager |
| 19:44.37 | Beladona | Kirkburn: beladona@tampabay.rr.com if you need my email |
| 19:44.39 | malreth | but this would be standalone... and more importantly... it'd get me up to 141 installed addons! |
| 19:44.46 | malreth | BUTTERFLY MAGES! |
| 19:44.48 | Ktron | But there's no way to see difference (besides health) between same name/level targets in CTRA |
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| 19:45.37 | Kirkburn | Beladona, sent |
| 19:45.54 | Crispix | heh. I've gotta be bored.. I'm leveling bows... and I'm a dwarf.. *chuckle* |
| 19:46.01 | Beladona | thanks man |
| 19:46.04 | Kirkburn | np |
| 19:46.17 | malreth | i never get bored doing that. my keyboard does it for me. |
| 19:46.20 | malreth | oops! |
| 19:46.20 | Ktron | No Crispix, http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/301531 is for the truly bored :) |
| 19:47.04 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 19:47.14 | Crispix | LMAO ktron |
| 19:47.50 | Ktron | credit to Kirkburn |
| 19:48.10 | Kirkburn | (not for making it obviously :P |
| 19:50.20 | Ktron | lol Kirkburn, I just killed a 'level 60' and got sulfuras' hammer:) |
| 19:50.34 | Ktron | no wait, Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros |
| 19:50.35 | Kirkburn | hehe, don't spoil any more for me! |
| 19:50.49 | Ktron | alright, alright |
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| 19:51.44 | Ktron | oh, pff |
| 19:51.44 | Ktron | it bugged out |
| 19:51.59 | malreth | later all... Ktron, thanks for the idea... i'm brewing an implementation in my head right now... |
| 19:52.11 | malreth | maybe i'll actually do something with it, too |
| 19:52.13 | malreth | :D |
| 19:52.15 | Ktron | heh, if you make it, there's only 2 rules |
| 19:52.24 | malreth | oh, no rules... |
| 19:52.30 | malreth | well, okay, maybe 2 |
| 19:52.38 | malreth | SPEAK! |
| 19:52.42 | Ktron | You have to consider naming it 'OMGZT3HARROWS!' or 'OTA' for short |
| 19:52.53 | malreth | i have considered it |
| 19:52.57 | Ktron | and second, you have to let me know if you do it |
| 19:53.30 | malreth | okie-diddlely |
| 19:53.45 | Beladona | Kirkburn, there is aa download link i the email, but it got sent in plain text so there is no link |
| 19:53.53 | Beladona | if that makes sense |
| 19:54.04 | Kirkburn | Ah, stupid program, I'll send it again |
| 19:54.10 | Kirkburn | Hehe ... http://foshata.com/?fsh=IPB |
| 19:56.22 | Kirkburn | Sent again |
| 20:02.33 | Kirov | hmm.. I wonder if mod signing is checked by Warden |
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| 20:12.31 | Beladona | Firefox == bad memory usage |
| 20:12.46 | Beladona | I closed the damn thing, and the memory usage went UP |
| 20:12.47 | Adrine_ | I saw a setting tip some time ago... |
| 20:12.50 | Adrine_ | Let me find it. |
| 20:12.56 | Beladona | because I have a downoad going |
| 20:13.01 | Beladona | makes no sense to me |
| 20:13.32 | Adrine_ | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Reducing_memory_usage_(Firefox) |
| 20:13.48 | Adrine_ | http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2006/02/firefox_memory.cfm |
| 20:14.11 | Beladona | Firefox = 107,084 K and rising |
| 20:14.11 | Beladona | yeah gg |
| 20:15.36 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:18.19 | Kirkburn | Btw, this is great ... http://foshata.com/?fsh=EYJ |
| 20:18.59 | Kirkburn | lool, some of them are excellent |
| 20:20.08 | Kirkburn | When you go there, click on 'best' on the top right corner ... so so funny |
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| 20:24.23 | zespri | blizzard promised us taht they would implement chars transfer between servers only or between accounts too? |
| 20:24.43 | Adrine_ | They've hinted that cross-account transfers will be possible eventually |
| 20:24.47 | Adrine_ | Promised nothing though. |
| 20:25.02 | zespri | I mean fee based transfers |
| 20:25.21 | zespri | that was clearly promised =) But I won;t argue with you on that |
| 20:28.44 | Miravlix | Pay 50 bucks and they will move your char to the north pole for you |
| 20:29.28 | Miravlix | But account to account, get real, thats just an ebay feature, it will never happend |
| 20:29.56 | Shadowd | It would be nice for those who have two accounts and multiple 60s on one :p |
| 20:30.41 | Miravlix | The number of people that would use it for ebaying far outweight the minority that wants to transfair between there own accounts |
| 20:31.06 | Miravlix | I don't even understand what the point of self account transfair is |
| 20:31.18 | Miravlix | It's only one person that can play, doesn't really matter what account they are on. |
| 20:32.35 | Kirkburn | I'm sorry for my spam, but http://foshata.com/?fsh=9RL |
| 20:32.47 | Gryphen | no your not |
| 20:34.05 | Kirkburn | true |
| 20:34.18 | Gryphen | ill just visit without the account code |
| 20:34.28 | Adrine | Huh. Shadowbane is going free. |
| 20:34.29 | Adrine | http://chronicle.ubi.com/newspost.php?id=15088 |
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| 20:46.02 | Shouryuu | I've just heard the biggest lie I've heard in a while |
| 20:46.28 | Cairenn | which one? "trust me, I won't come in your mouth" ? |
| 20:46.38 | Shouryuu | "one third of the crimes commited in Great Britain are Heroin addicts trying to get some money" |
| 20:48.16 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:48.45 | Cairenn | oh, so more along the lines of "the cheque is in the mail" then, huh? |
| 20:48.50 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, where did you see that crap? |
| 20:49.11 | Kirkburn | My personaly guess would be the Daily Mail |
| 20:49.15 | Kirkburn | *personal |
| 20:49.33 | Beladona | one third of the crimes committed in the US are gamers trying to beat each other to the game store |
| 20:49.38 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 20:49.41 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:49.42 | Kirkburn | Truth. |
| 20:49.51 | Adrine | Another third at gamers shooting innocent people because games told them to. |
| 20:49.55 | Adrine | third are* |
| 20:49.58 | Beladona | bah |
| 20:50.01 | Kirkburn | O'rly? |
| 20:50.04 | Beladona | you know |
| 20:50.23 | Beladona | actual research on that shows that crime rates in gaming age youths has DROPPED since the release of the PS2 |
| 20:50.25 | Shouryuu | kirk - BBC documentary |
| 20:50.29 | Beladona | not risen |
| 20:50.30 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:50.36 | Beladona | like politicians would have you believe |
| 20:50.37 | Adrine | Video games are a secret government program to breed a nation of hardened, soulless soldiers willing to do their bidding! |
| 20:50.38 | Shouryuu | well you just can't get unhooked |
| 20:50.44 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, I'm shocked ... horizon or something? |
| 20:50.48 | Shouryuu | nay |
| 20:50.59 | Shouryuu | some dumb documentary on "If drugs were legalized" |
| 20:51.04 | Shouryuu | VERY dumb, but still BBC |
| 20:51.06 | Beladona | the primary reason is that most gamers are home playing, instead of out committing crimes |
| 20:51.11 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 20:51.22 | Beladona | it also promotes less social behavior |
| 20:51.31 | Beladona | which is one of the main causes of crimes |
| 20:51.36 | Beladona | peer pressure and all that |
| 20:51.39 | Kirkburn | Ban social gatherings! |
| 20:52.00 | Shouryuu | man this sucks |
| 20:52.00 | End | seriously, social gatherings are the evil devices of card carrying commies. or something. |
| 20:52.11 | Cairenn | ah, so it's the "I'm from the Government, I'm here to help you" then ... |
| 20:52.15 | Kirkburn | Why do commies always carry cards? |
| 20:52.17 | Beladona | but I love people like Clinton (Female Edition) who like to make a stand on something so easily refuted |
| 20:52.18 | End | not just any commies...but the ones with CARDS. |
| 20:52.24 | Shouryuu | I'm missing so much |
| 20:52.59 | Kirkburn | It's amazing what 'the public' believes, sometime |
| 20:53.00 | Kirkburn | s |
| 20:53.16 | End | Now, what the pubic believes, noone is surprised |
| 20:53.47 | Kirkburn | Mobile phones will give you cancer |
| 20:53.54 | Adrine | By definition, half of the public is below average. ;) |
| 20:54.01 | Kirkburn | Men, don't put them in your trouser pockets! |
| 20:54.06 | Kirkburn | You'll go sterile! |
| 20:54.15 | End | the sun causes cancer too, so don't put that in your pants either |
| 20:54.23 | End | just look at all that radiation |
| 20:54.27 | Kirkburn | But it's so waaarm |
| 20:54.32 | Adrine | Pff, that's just silliness. I put my cellphone in my pocket and gained radioactive mutant powers. |
| 20:54.39 | Shouryuu | Argghhh I'm missing on socialist riots |
| 20:54.41 | Shouryuu | life sucks! |
| 20:54.50 | Kirkburn | Adrine, perhaps you shouldn't continue that line of thought |
| 20:54.58 | Kirkburn | Or at least, please dear god, don't tell us |
| 20:55.17 | End | haha |
| 20:55.42 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu, are you complaining that your missing the riots? The leaders are all wondering where's Shouryuu? |
| 20:55.53 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:56.14 | Kirkburn | I noticed they'd become a lot less effective recently |
| 20:56.55 | Shouryuu | long story |
| 20:57.06 | Kirkburn | Shorten it then |
| 20:57.07 | Shouryuu | but there are riots against some law the goverment is trying to pass |
| 20:57.19 | Kirkburn | Where? |
| 20:57.26 | Shouryuu | Paris |
| 20:57.35 | Shouryuu | which would simplify emplyement/licensing of young unexperienced workers |
| 20:57.39 | Kirkburn | lol, I just KNEW you were gonna say france |
| 20:57.42 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:57.54 | Kirkburn | In fact, I was halfway through typing 'france' |
| 20:57.58 | Shouryuu | and most of the kids from the Unies are against it and rioting |
| 20:58.09 | Kirkburn | Well, it does mean they can be sacked without notice |
| 20:58.12 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 20:58.43 | Shouryuu | but I can't believe I'm missing that... All that because I should be studying... |
| 20:59.01 | Kirkburn | Such a damn shame |
| 20:59.06 | Shouryuu | lol |
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| 21:07.22 | Kirkburn1 | (Damn surge switch) ... Can anyone tell me why putting STANDARD_TEXT_FONT = "Interface//AddOns//ClearFont//Fonts//ClearFont.ttf"; in my LUA might not work? |
| 21:07.57 | Adrine | You don't need to double forward slashes |
| 21:08.07 | Adrine | Double backslashes, single forwardslashes |
| 21:08.29 | Tain | I blame the semi-colon. |
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| 21:11.28 | Kirkburn2 | Grah! |
| 21:11.40 | Kirkburn2 | Power supple can't cope with the oven and washing machine at the same time |
| 21:11.45 | Kirkburn2 | *supply |
| 21:12.01 | Kirkburn2 | Adrine ... yeah it was the direction of the slashes |
| 21:12.28 | Adrine | Obviously you should wash your dishes -after- you cook with them, rather than -while- you're cooking with them. |
| 21:12.30 | Kirkburn2 | The comment system for Worldofwar reverses them all the time, which resulted in me mis-copying a line |
| 21:12.48 | Kirov | I hate that |
| 21:12.53 | Kirkburn2 | Er, not that type of washign machine :P |
| 21:13.13 | End | well clearly, you should just cook your clothes and be done with it |
| 21:13.14 | Kirov | I like a lot of worldofwar, including the fact that it sorts comments when the newest first, but gah |
| 21:13.21 | Kirov | typing code there sucks |
| 21:13.23 | ckknight | dishwashers are for dishes, washing machines are for clothes |
| 21:14.24 | Kirkburn2 | Need to ask about a 'code' comment flag |
| 21:14.27 | Tain | I still really dislike the way worldofwar mangles (in my opinion) filename when you download. |
| 21:15.03 | Kirov | Or just not fuck in slashes and keep "s as quotes when you edit a comment |
| 21:15.32 | Kirov | It's like [/pre][/pre] crap |
| 21:16.28 | Adrine | That really irritates me. |
| 21:16.45 | Adrine | Transform on display, not on store please. |
| 21:16.56 | Kirkburn2 | blimey |
| 21:17.09 | Kirkburn2 | Well, tell Rushster |
| 21:17.23 | Cairenn | *speaking on a personal level, not on a "professional" level* ... quite frankly, I don't know how you guys can stand to upload to a site that messes with your files |
| 21:17.35 | Cairenn | but that's just me |
| 21:17.36 | Adrine | Define "messes" |
| 21:17.40 | Kirkburn2 | It only sticks a number in front of it |
| 21:17.51 | Cairenn | add things to your files |
| 21:17.55 | Shadowd | It does? |
| 21:18.07 | Cairenn | one of them does, can't remember who |
| 21:18.22 | Kirkburn2 | WoW Guru I gave up on when it started refusing to let me update |
| 21:18.22 | Kirov | worldofwar |
| 21:18.23 | Adrine | Well, I can check... |
| 21:18.24 | Shadowd | Pretty sure CG and Worldofwar don't, or at least i've never seen anything weird added to mine. |
| 21:18.32 | Shadowd | what's worldofwar add? |
| 21:18.39 | Kirov | 502935820598234MyAddon.zip |
| 21:18.44 | Kirkburn2 | Just a number at the start of the zip file name |
| 21:18.53 | Kirov | It annoys me too |
| 21:19.13 | Adrine | Huh. Is it me, or are worldofwar.net downloads not working? |
| 21:19.16 | Kirkburn2 | Nothing else, in case people start spreading stuff. I think it's probably how they track downloads, but I'd like it if it didn't, too |
| 21:19.17 | Kirov | I use worldofwar.net just because it gets as much traffic if not more than curse these days |
| 21:19.17 | Shadowd | Never really figured out why they added it, but it's not that big of a deal |
| 21:19.20 | Cairenn | that's one thing, and I can see it being annoying, but no, that wasn't what I was talking about |
| 21:19.42 | Kirkburn2 | But yeah Cairenn, it wouldn't upload to a site that did that |
| 21:19.45 | Kirkburn2 | *I |
| 21:19.46 | Adrine | You can send whatever filename you want via headers. Since the download is a php file, there's no good reason to send a mangled filename, really. |
| 21:20.08 | Cairenn | one or another of the sites would unzip your files, add something, then zip them back up again and upload |
| 21:20.18 | Kirov | hmm |
| 21:20.21 | Cairenn | or maybe I'm just remembering incorrectly |
| 21:20.25 | Kirkburn2 | A nopatch file? |
| 21:20.27 | End | worldofwar does prefix your file with a unix timestamp, but that's about it I think |
| 21:20.28 | Kirov | heh |
| 21:20.35 | Kirov | That I'd actually be happy if they did. |
| 21:20.35 | End | er, filena,me |
| 21:20.40 | Shadowd | But not one of the popular sites? |
| 21:20.43 | End | er, filename even |
| 21:20.49 | Kirov | guru might, but I don't use them. |
| 21:20.58 | Kirov | There's those two new ones that just popped up too. |
| 21:21.03 | Kirkburn2 | I may be wrong here, but I had a feeling wowguru tries to add nopatch files |
| 21:21.16 | Kirov | I feel sorry for those guys since they have like their own mods and 2 others on them and that's it. |
| 21:21.19 | Kirkburn2 | Since it complained about me having them included when I tried to update |
| 21:21.42 | Kirov | I don't understand the whole .nopatch thing |
| 21:21.43 | Adrine | I just downloaded my mod from ui.wownet and nothing has changed. |
| 21:21.47 | Kirkburn2 | [evidently advertising on other people's sites didn't work] |
| 21:21.50 | End | Kirov, I think it is a cosmos thing |
| 21:21.53 | Kirov | I mean, I do |
| 21:22.01 | End | oh |
| 21:22.05 | Kirov | It's why the fuck would you require other addons to support Cosmos |
| 21:22.09 | Kirov | in that way |
| 21:22.21 | Kirkburn2 | The new cosmos patcher doesn't need nopatch files any more |
| 21:22.27 | End | ah, yeah |
| 21:22.27 | Kirov | good |
| 21:22.33 | End | that's good |
| 21:22.34 | Kirov | That always bugged the hell out of me. |
| 21:22.38 | Kirkburn2 | Once it all goes through, people can stop worrying about them :) |
| 21:22.51 | Cairenn | the only time we ever touch zip files is if you are using an executable and include the source code for us to check ... we take your source code out of the zip file before releasing it for public consumption, and it's done with your knowledge and agreement |
| 21:22.54 | End | I never worried in the first place ;p |
| 21:22.59 | Kirov | Same. |
| 21:23.17 | Kirov | It seems like Comsos users have become less of a majority these days. |
| 21:23.27 | Adrine | Yeah. |
| 21:23.36 | Adrine | Cosmos was all the rage in beta, because that's really all there was. |
| 21:23.42 | End | I used it for like 3 days when I first started playing |
| 21:23.45 | Adrine | But that momentum has died down a lot, it seems |
| 21:23.52 | End | then a big content patch hit, and cosmos stopped working |
| 21:24.01 | Kirov | Yep |
| 21:24.04 | Cairenn | it's still widely used |
| 21:24.16 | Adrine | I have no doubt it's still widely used |
| 21:24.20 | End | so I just kept the few pieces I liked, and just tweaked my ui on my own |
| 21:24.24 | Kirkburn2 | Judging by the website traffic no it's very much still used |
| 21:24.25 | End | from then on |
| 21:24.31 | Adrine | But in terms of percentage-of-mod-users, I suspect it has dropped. |
| 21:24.36 | Kirkburn2 | Oh sure |
| 21:24.44 | Kirkburn2 | But that's because of options appearing |
| 21:24.47 | Kirov | I have sky, chronos, etc. |
| 21:24.53 | Kirov | I don't use them, but I keep them around for testing |
| 21:24.58 | Kirkburn2 | (also, due to the needless cosmos hating that went on for a while) |
| 21:25.09 | Kirov | That wasn't completely unfounded |
| 21:25.14 | Kirkburn2 | Er |
| 21:25.18 | Kirkburn2 | Why so? |
| 21:25.23 | Kirov | Don't take that the wrong way. |
| 21:25.31 | Cairenn | old history, doesn't matter any more |
| 21:25.35 | Tain | Yeah let's not get too hasty with "needless". Overblown maybe, but there were things to complain about. |
| 21:25.45 | Kirkburn2 | Well anyway |
| 21:25.46 | Cairenn | they made a couple mistakes, they learned from them and moved on |
| 21:25.48 | Kirov | Cosmos was designed to be user friendly. |
| 21:25.56 | Kirkburn2 | Positive news is that no more nopatch files |
| 21:26.05 | Kirkburn2 | (and the new patcher is pretty good) |
| 21:26.14 | Kirov | Because of that it drew a lot of people who didn't really understand the whole "addon" system. |
| 21:26.33 | Tain | Of course I still recommend to anyone who asks me not to use any compilation of any kind, and download the addons they want themselves. |
| 21:26.53 | Kirkburn2 | Cosmos is a good launchpad, I would agree |
| 21:27.23 | Adrine | Cosmos is a great gateway to the mod scene |
| 21:27.24 | Kirov | When new patches came out and broke various things, because cosmos was difficult to uninstall (it used to use a lot of FrameXML overwrites f I'm not mistaken) a lot of people got disenchanted with it. |
| 21:27.34 | Adrine | It gives people a taste of "Hey, I can have things how I want them" |
| 21:28.13 | Adrine | I remember very specifically when I dropped Cosmos :) |
| 21:28.13 | Tain | Yep absolutely, Adrine. It's certainly the first thing I ever used. |
| 21:28.33 | Tain | And it made me say, "woah this is cool, I can do it my own way." |
| 21:28.33 | Adrine | It was when they made a change to how rangefinding on enemy mobs worked, and the performance of that mod just fell through the floor |
| 21:28.38 | Adrine | Yeah, same here. |
| 21:28.54 | Adrine | I popped open the mod, dug through it, tested it, found out it was slaughtering performance, and then ditched cosmos and rolled my own. |
| 21:29.02 | Shouryuu | ok this documentary has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen |
| 21:29.23 | Tain | Is it a documentary on dumb people? |
| 21:29.29 | Shouryuu | on drugs |
| 21:29.37 | Kirov | drugs are bad, mmkay? |
| 21:29.40 | Tain | Oh. Illicit drug use? Or like.. aspirin? |
| 21:29.41 | Kirkburn2 | I can't remember how I got introduced to Cosmos now, but I'm glad I did. I'm like the addon guru for everyone I know now :P |
| 21:29.57 | Kirkburn2 | No, no Viagra, Tain |
| 21:29.59 | Shouryuu | no it's "What if we legalized every drug except Cocaine and Heroin" |
| 21:30.09 | Shouryuu | Some people are actually for |
| 21:30.14 | Tain | That's absurd. |
| 21:30.19 | Kirkburn2 | Totally. |
| 21:30.20 | Shouryuu | that's IDIOTIC |
| 21:30.21 | Tain | Why leave out cocaine and heroin? |
| 21:30.25 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:30.26 | Kirov | hehe |
| 21:30.35 | Adrine | In all seriousness, I'd agree with Tain. |
| 21:30.43 | Kirov | The government would make shit tons of money on taxes on it though. |
| 21:30.51 | Kirov | Especially from those two |
| 21:30.53 | Shouryuu | Yeah that's what they say |
| 21:30.54 | Adrine | I'm not a drug user or a fan of 'em or anything, but either legalize 'em and tax 'em and apply laws to 'em like you have with alcohol... |
| 21:30.54 | Tain | It's a very charged topic and I'd rather tiptoe backwards away from it. |
| 21:30.58 | Kirov | since those are "rich people" drugs |
| 21:31.04 | Adrine | ...or just ban 'em all. |
| 21:31.16 | Kirkburn2 | Alcohol is not really the same league though |
| 21:31.18 | Tain | Gotta ban 'em all! Tokemon! |
| 21:31.22 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 21:31.24 | Kirov | vs what? |
| 21:31.28 | End | so clearly, they are just after the rich people |
| 21:31.33 | Kirkburn2 | 1g of a class-a drug |
| 21:31.41 | End | or maybe they aren't, because the rich people wouldn't get taxed |
| 21:31.43 | Kirov | Alcohol is far worse than a lot of drugs out there. |
| 21:31.47 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:31.51 | Kirkburn | *a lot of* |
| 21:31.51 | Shouryuu | I really disagree there |
| 21:31.56 | Kirkburn | Not all |
| 21:32.00 | Kirov | Yes |
| 21:32.50 | Kirkburn | If only there was a conversation where the answer was in black and white, then we at least wouldn't always end up agreeing with each other |
| 21:32.51 | Tain | Three out of four livers agree. |
| 21:32.58 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:33.14 | Kirkburn | I know ... Did we land on the Moon? ;) |
| 21:33.18 | Shouryuu | NO! |
| 21:33.23 | Shouryuu | we so did not! |
| 21:33.26 | End | Kirkburn, the answer to that is lime green |
| 21:33.30 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:33.36 | Kirkburn | End wins the IRC channel |
| 21:33.39 | Tain | ~8ball Did we land on the moon? |
| 21:33.40 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 21:33.40 | Adrine | Alcohol is certainly in the same league. Abuse causes damage to the body, it's highly addictive, it clouds judgement and perception, and it's often used as a social enabler. |
| 21:33.48 | Tain | The purl never lies. |
| 21:33.58 | Tain | mmm social enabler |
| 21:34.02 | ckknight | ~8ball Do you know the Muffin Man? |
| 21:34.03 | purl | Negative. |
| 21:34.05 | Cairenn | no, you want the definition of stupid? there is a law here in Ontario that states that any store which sells prescription drugs is not allowed to sell cigarettes as well. but those self same stores *can* sell wine ..... we all know how badly prescription drugs interact with cigarettes, but mixing prescription drugs and alcohol causes no problems whatsoever, right? |
| 21:34.05 | Kirkburn | ~8ball Do you lie? |
| 21:34.07 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 21:34.13 | Shouryuu | adrine - it isn't highly addictive. I have *never* craved for alcohol |
| 21:34.38 | Kirkburn | purl whispered me: "Someone already said that 9 seconds ago" |
| 21:34.48 | Kirkburn | I know they did! I DID! And you asked me to repeat it! |
| 21:34.48 | End | ~8ball If I was walking down main street with my pet giraffe, and a llama happened to intercept me, would the lobster of holy cheese flip out and become inverted? |
| 21:34.49 | purl | No. |
| 21:34.52 | Tain | Ah that purl, whispering sweet nothings in your ear. |
| 21:34.52 | End | ok |
| 21:34.52 | Shouryuu | I can count the number of times I've smoked pot on my fingers, and believe me, sometimes I wake up and want some |
| 21:35.15 | Tain | Ehn sometimes I wake up and want a lot of things. |
| 21:35.21 | Adrine | I'd argue that science disagrees with you, Shouryuu, but eh, not worth the argument. :) |
| 21:35.24 | Kirkburn | Shouryuu - the freaky alien with thousands of fingers |
| 21:35.24 | Shouryuu | but no a shot of vodka |
| 21:35.28 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:35.37 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:35.45 | End | yesterday I woke up and I was so hungry it hurt (in a way) |
| 21:36.36 | Kirkburn | I felt like my stomach was eating me this morning :( |
| 21:36.50 | Kirkburn | ... but I wasn't hungry :S |
| 21:36.58 | End | it was more like a light agony on a bun with lettuce, tomatoes, and a slice of cheese |
| 21:37.06 | Kirkburn | Mozarella? |
| 21:37.08 | Tain | I don't like tomatoes. |
| 21:37.11 | End | yes |
| 21:37.15 | Kirkburn | Mmm, good choice |
| 21:37.25 | Kirkburn | I'm about to have a mozzarella pizza |
| 21:37.36 | Tain | Oh I'mg oing to Panera tonight. I don't know if I'll be able to resist the balsamic portobella mushroom sandwich with fresh mozzerella and basil. |
| 21:37.36 | End | man, I'm really hungry now |
| 21:37.43 | Kirkburn | (I'm in italy, what can you do?!) |
| 21:37.54 | End | I can't do anything |
| 21:37.56 | Adrine | Tain, that sounds absolutely superb |
| 21:37.58 | Kirkburn | Well, mine's authentic |
| 21:37.59 | End | I have no legs and no arms |
| 21:38.00 | Tain | It's amazing. |
| 21:38.17 | Kirkburn | You have no mouth but you must scream? |
| 21:38.23 | End | something like that |
| 21:38.33 | Tain | Except.. well I'm meeting up with someone but we said we'd meet for coffee/hotchocolate. |
| 21:38.44 | Kirkburn | together? ewww |
| 21:38.46 | Tain | I don't know what the ettiquette is about deciding to want food. |
| 21:38.57 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:39.02 | Kirkburn | I think it's normal to say "I'm hungry, let's get some food" |
| 21:39.08 | Kirkburn | At least, that's what I've heard ... |
| 21:39.11 | End | and then, eat someone alive |
| 21:39.13 | Tain | I mean what if she already eats before hand assuming that we wouldn't? |
| 21:39.14 | End | in one mouthful |
| 21:39.20 | Kirkburn | Exactly, End! |
| 21:39.21 | End | because you are like a SNAKE |
| 21:39.24 | Adrine | Then I'd say "Hey, I'm hungry, you want anything?" |
| 21:39.24 | Tain | That would be an excellent dessert, End. |
| 21:39.35 | Adrine | And if she says "No" then I would but a sandwich and eat it. |
| 21:39.44 | Adrine | And if she says "Yes" then we would both buy sandwiches and eat them. |
| 21:40.00 | Tain | I think I'll ask about the hungry, and if she's not I'll bide my time and get one on the way out. |
| 21:40.13 | Kirkburn | And if she says "Maybe", then my head would explode |
| 21:40.25 | Tain | Maybe's as good as a yes to me! |
| 21:40.33 | Kirkburn | "hey babycakes, what do you think about the hungry?" |
| 21:40.38 | End | after all, only no means no |
| 21:40.43 | End | except when it means yes |
| 21:40.46 | End | in which case no means yes |
| 21:40.59 | Kirkburn | And yes means, oh god please. |
| 21:41.01 | Tain | Yeah.. see I was in a sort of strange situation with a girl once. |
| 21:41.12 | Tain | And I said to her as she was trying to do something that she shouldn't be, "No." |
| 21:41.23 | Tain | And she said back to me. "No doesn't mean no. No just means maybe not right now." |
| 21:41.41 | Kirkburn | Are you sure it was a girl? |
| 21:41.45 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:41.45 | Tain | Oh yes. |
| 21:42.01 | End | it was an fbi agent, posing as a girl. on IRC. |
| 21:42.06 | End | true story |
| 21:42.23 | Tain | I was just trying to get passes to Neverland Ranch. |
| 21:42.43 | Kirov | ... |
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| 21:42.56 | Kirov | so, by "girl" you mean "young guy"? |
| 21:43.34 | Tain | Actually, the story does have a sad ending. We lost contact for a couple of years, and when I did finally find her again she was married with a baby, and another on the way. |
| 21:43.46 | Kirkburn | O'rly? |
| 21:43.54 | Tain | And by sad I mean sad for her. |
| 21:44.00 | Kirkburn | natch |
| 21:44.14 | Kirkburn | Tain - what a catch! |
| 21:44.23 | Tain | Gotta catch 'em all. |
| 21:45.05 | Kirov | A girl I knew from like elementary school through high school I saw like 2 years ago at some coffee shop. She was dating some guy who was 20 years older than her who had gotten her pregnant and they'd had a kid, so they were stuck together. |
| 21:45.24 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.24 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.24 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.24 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.25 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.30 | Tain | Look all I'm saying is there was no blood-test to say the kid was mine. |
| 21:45.38 | Kirkburn | Why thankyou Miravlix |
| 21:45.39 | Miravlix | Am I the only one that think thats totally wrong in an event handler |
| 21:45.44 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:46.03 | Miravlix | You initialize variables in one place, one time at addon load |
| 21:46.12 | Miravlix | Then you intitalize the variable to 0 |
| 21:46.13 | Beladona | pew pew |
| 21:46.19 | Kirkburn | Omg, on topicness! |
| 21:46.23 | Miravlix | So you only need one line of code in the event handler |
| 21:46.42 | End | on topicness is illegal |
| 21:46.52 | Kirkburn | Miravlix is illegal? |
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| 21:47.04 | Kirov | not illegal, just against the tos |
| 21:47.05 | Tain | Ehn.. I sort of agree Miravlix but I like error checking all over the place. heh |
| 21:47.17 | Miravlix | Baah, script programmers is pure crap, they couldn't code there way out of a wet paperback |
| 21:47.46 | Kirkburn | Did someone just sheep Miravlix? |
| 21:47.50 | Kirov | Miravlix - I stick lots of checks in my code just because I like to do bad stuff like /script MyMod_Saved = nil during run time |
| 21:48.15 | Kirov | Saves the headache of addon error blitz |
| 21:48.25 | Miravlix | Maybe thats why it cost so many FPS to run scripts. :p |
| 21:48.32 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:48.42 | Tain | Ah.. no. :) |
| 21:48.47 | Miravlix | You have to design and write for efficency in lua |
| 21:49.06 | Tain | Of course I wouldn't do things like that example, but I do a lot of checks for the existence of a value. |
| 21:49.29 | Qzot | Nah. Fewer users to support if it only runs well on high-end machines. |
| 21:49.30 | Miravlix | I make sure every path through my code never gets bad data. |
| 21:49.56 | Tain | Impossible. :) |
| 21:50.03 | Miravlix | Nope |
| 21:50.15 | Miravlix | You have to check when you get outside data |
| 21:50.17 | Tain | You mean you don't have any other users running your code? |
| 21:50.22 | Miravlix | And the variables is LOCAL for efficency |
| 21:50.23 | Adrine | Miravlix: You can't init it at runtime. |
| 21:50.28 | Miravlix | so no /script variable = crap |
| 21:50.32 | Adrine | Since the index is dependent on the name of the player killed. |
| 21:50.41 | Adrine | Err, init at startup. |
| 21:50.51 | Adrine | So I run into EnemyX that I've never killed |
| 21:51.01 | ckknight | Adrine is right about that |
| 21:51.06 | Adrine | I kill him, get honor, want to insert it into the cumulative honor table |
| 21:51.09 | Adrine | But, I don't have an index for him |
| 21:51.21 | Adrine | And there's no way to pre-init it without building a table with the name of every character on the server. |
| 21:51.32 | Tain | Ooh thats a great idea! |
| 21:51.48 | ckknight | sure it is |
| 21:51.49 | Tain | I wonder if we can hook the character creation functions to make sure we dont' miss any. |
| 21:51.50 | Miravlix | My lua memory footprint just hit 100 MB |
| 21:52.00 | Tain | Why so high? |
| 21:52.02 | ckknight | wtf, how? |
| 21:52.04 | Adrine | Since trying to add nil + integer makes lua puke, you need a special case for a nil index. |
| 21:52.12 | Kirov | Miravlix uses Ace |
| 21:52.14 | Kirov | *ducks* |
| 21:52.20 | Miravlix | 170+ addons |
| 21:52.22 | ckknight | HKillTrackerData[playerName..'honor'] = (HKillTrackerData[playerName..'honor'] or 0) + (tonumber(HonorPoints)*dmReturn) |
| 21:52.23 | Adrine | If anyone isn't using Warmup, I highly recommend it. |
| 21:52.32 | Qzot | Adrine: How do you usu handle nil + int? |
| 21:52.39 | Tain | Yeah Warmup will tell you lots. |
| 21:52.55 | Adrine | if table[index] == nil then table[index] = value; else table[index] = table[index] + value; end |
| 21:53.14 | ckknight | Ozot, alpha = (alpha or 0) + bravo is one way |
| 21:53.27 | ckknight | I prefer Adrine's |
| 21:53.32 | Qzot | Yup. ckknight is right. |
| 21:53.40 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.51 | ckknight | evil parentheses |
| 21:54.01 | Tain | haha |
| 21:54.06 | Kirkburn | Anyone know Beyond Good & Evil? |
| 21:54.09 | Adrine | Yes! |
| 21:54.10 | Miravlix | He concat playerName.. he doesn't use a table[Playername].variable |
| 21:54.11 | Adrine | Great game. |
| 21:54.14 | Adrine | Really underrated. |
| 21:54.18 | Qzot | Depends on the situation. I usually pref a = (a or 0) + b. |
| 21:54.18 | Kirkburn | :) I know! |
| 21:54.25 | Miravlix | meaning he needs extra nil checks |
| 21:54.28 | Kirkburn | Looks like there might be a sequel at last |
| 21:54.34 | Adrine | Miravlix: Huh? |
| 21:54.36 | Tain | I like doing that Qzot just because it makes me think about exactlyw hat I'm doing to get it right. |
| 21:54.39 | Adrine | playerName is assumed to not be nil |
| 21:54.44 | Adrine | But the index might be |
| 21:54.51 | Tain | But definitely not for readability. |
| 21:55.14 | Adrine | If you kill me, the index is "Adrinehonorper" |
| 21:55.15 | Miravlix | If you do table[playerName] = {} |
| 21:55.25 | Adrine | The value is an int, not a table |
| 21:55.32 | Miravlix | Then table[playerName].honorPoint = 0; |
| 21:55.35 | Miravlix | Then it's all done |
| 21:55.46 | Adrine | Except you need to init table[playerName] |
| 21:55.54 | Qzot | Ah. Depends on whether I want to assume a nil value means initialization is needed, or whether a nil value means a programming screw-up. Those are different. |
| 21:55.58 | Miravlix | Yes, but I don't need 30 ifs |
| 21:56.00 | Adrine | So if table[playerName] == nil then table[playerName] = {}; end will still be needed. |
| 21:56.17 | Qzot | Screwup: alpha = (alpha or error('die!')) + beta |
| 21:56.18 | Miravlix | and table[playerName].honorpoint = 0; |
| 21:56.45 | Miravlix | Initialize all field when you catch a nil on playerName's table |
| 21:56.48 | Miravlix | So it's done |
| 21:56.51 | Kirkburn | Wouldn't it be funny if Halo 3 came out on the same day as the PS3 ... |
| 21:56.59 | Adrine | Err. |
| 21:57.02 | Adrine | How's that any different? |
| 21:57.19 | Adrine | You have to init for a nil index at some point. |
| 21:57.24 | Miravlix | if table[playerName] =0 nil then table[playerName] == {} end |
| 21:57.28 | Qzot | "Readability" is defined in term of a community of practice. Once enough people are exposed to the 'or 0' idiom, it's much cleaner and clearer, imho. |
| 21:57.53 | Qzot | Btw, don't use 'table' as a var name, please. It's a Lua thingie. |
| 21:57.59 | Adrine | Yeah, I know :P |
| 21:58.12 | Qzot | Confusing, even in examples. I keep misparsing. |
| 21:58.16 | Adrine | Heheh. |
| 21:58.25 | Miravlix | Then you need to do if table[pn].honorpoint = nil then table[pn].honorpoint = honorpoint else table[pn].honorpoint = table[pn].honorpoint + addedhonor |
| 21:58.46 | Qzot | tbl[playerName] = tbl[playerName] or {}; tbl[playerName].honorpoint = 0; |
| 21:58.52 | Adrine | Err. I think we're confused now. |
| 21:58.55 | Tain | heh |
| 21:58.59 | Miravlix | If you tb[pn].honorpoint = 0 it's fine |
| 21:59.10 | Adrine | But what if tb[pn] == nil? |
| 21:59.12 | Adrine | That's the case here |
| 21:59.18 | Adrine | You have to pre-init it. |
| 21:59.20 | Qzot | Adrine: See my example. |
| 21:59.32 | Miravlix | when you if tb[pn] == nil then tb[pn] = {} tb[pn].honorpoint = 0 |
| 22:00.26 | Miravlix | Then all the rest of you code is just tb[pn].variable = tb[pn].variable + newvalue |
| 22:00.27 | Adrine | I guess I don't understand what the complaint is. |
| 22:00.39 | Adrine | Right, but you still have an init check. |
| 22:00.42 | Tain | Too much ifs I think. |
| 22:00.43 | Miravlix | That the code is using to many if's |
| 22:00.51 | Tain | Ah hah! I guessed right! |
| 22:00.57 | Adrine | The bit you pasted had...a single if statement. |
| 22:01.19 | Qzot | In the wowwiki howto, I also show how to create a table with default 0 values. In my own code, I've extended that to create a table of tables of default zero values. So the resulting code would look like... |
| 22:01.29 | Miravlix | It's IRC iit isn't meant for pasting 30 lines of code. :p |
| 22:01.32 | Qzot | tb = newTableOfCountTables() |
| 22:01.33 | Qzot | ... |
| 22:01.40 | Tain | That's what pastebin is for, Miravlix |
| 22:01.41 | Qzot | tb[pn].honorpoint = 7 |
| 22:01.44 | Tain | wow.pastebin.com |
| 22:01.44 | Beladona | homeward! seeyas laters! |
| 22:01.49 | Tain | Have a good one Beladona |
| 22:02.01 | Tain | Know it, use it, love it. |
| 22:02.04 | Beladona | pew pew! |
| 22:02.07 | Kirkburn | bye |
| 22:02.10 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@24.129.136.26) |
| 22:03.08 | ckknight | can one create FontStrings on already existing frames? |
| 22:03.15 | ckknight | i.e. ones defined in XML |
| 22:03.19 | Tain | Of course using things like (var or 0) lets you start getting really silly with that syntax and doing things like this (small example compared to many) |
| 22:03.20 | Miravlix | And playerName = mine so why can't I use that at init? |
| 22:03.21 | Tain | str = ((s and (xps and xps.." - ")) or (xps or ""))..(s or "") |
| 22:03.26 | Adrine | No, no, Miravlix |
| 22:03.37 | Adrine | I think the issue is that playerName is the name of the guy you killed and received honor for |
| 22:03.41 | Adrine | Based on the context |
| 22:03.48 | Adrine | If it were your name, you'd be right. Pre-init it. :P |
| 22:04.08 | Kirkburn | ckknight, in 1.10 they're all 'Font' |
| 22:04.20 | Miravlix | local playerName = UnitName("player"); |
| 22:04.25 | Kirkburn | Er, I might be talking about something else |
| 22:04.27 | Tain | Now you could just change the format of that table to save things differently and you wouldn't have to worry about it. But that's not the current issue. |
| 22:04.30 | Adrine | Well then, it's inefficient :P |
| 22:04.34 | ckknight | yes, Kirkburn |
| 22:04.35 | Adrine | And you are correct! |
| 22:04.37 | ckknight | I think you are |
| 22:04.44 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 22:04.48 | Adrine | Since it's a known index, it should be pre-inited |
| 22:04.55 | ckknight | I wanna do frame:CreateFontString("name", "ARTWORK") |
| 22:04.59 | ckknight | and frame is defined in XML |
| 22:05.16 | Kirkburn | Hey Blizz are doing another Battleground fight! |
| 22:05.23 | ckknight | ? |
| 22:05.36 | Kirkburn | http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/7526968.htm |
| 22:07.50 | Shadowd | WTB Pre-generated level 19 rogue to fight them! |
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| 22:09.40 | ckknight | but you'd have to be Alliance, Shadowd |
| 22:09.58 | Kirkburn | Slouken's movepad is updated |
| 22:10.05 | Shadowd | My 3 60s and 2 30s are Alliance :p |
| 22:11.09 | ckknight | so does anyone know if you can add lua-created FontStrings to xml-created frames? |
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| 22:13.24 | Adrine | Can you set a parent attribute? |
| 22:13.40 | ckknight | yea, but it still doesn't seem to work right |
| 22:13.44 | Adrine | SetParent(targetFrame) seems like it should work |
| 22:14.09 | ckknight | what I'm really doing is adding more lines to a tooltip, given the event that it runs out of lines |
| 22:14.18 | ckknight | if I do it in the xml first, it works fine |
| 22:14.29 | ckknight | but if I try to do it in Lua, it just doesn't work |
| 22:19.35 | Miravlix | Anyway all the whining was because I had to update Titan Panel 1.14.2's honor+ to include item turn ins. :p |
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| 22:21.13 | ckknight | I found it pretty easy to implement that for BossPanel - Honor |
| 22:21.39 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.49 | Miravlix | It's pretty easy. |
| 22:22.06 | ckknight | I'm gonna say mine is more elegant |
| 22:22.10 | Miravlix | It cast a spell that Sarf AutoReactiveClasss tells me to pummel |
| 22:22.23 | ckknight | CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_HONOR_GAIN |
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| 22:22.46 | Kirov | I wish they'd implement some sort of event system for combat log messages |
| 22:22.55 | Miravlix | It doesn't show up there. |
| 22:23.07 | ckknight | what doesn't? |
| 22:23.16 | Kirov | One that spamed relavent info as args instead of needing to parse |
| 22:23.23 | Miravlix | Mark turn ins |
| 22:23.24 | ckknight | I agree, Kirov |
| 22:23.27 | ckknight | yea it does, Miravlix |
| 22:23.44 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 22:23.44 | ckknight | it sends you a parsed COMBATLOG_HONORAWARD |
| 22:24.01 | ckknight | deformat it to get the bonus |
| 22:24.12 | ckknight | it works for both flag capture and turn-ins |
| 22:24.30 | Miravlix | They use for PlayerDeath, PlayerRank, HonorPoints in string.gfind(arg1, PatternText) do |
| 22:24.56 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.04 | ckknight | there are two types of honor gains |
| 22:25.15 | ckknight | COMBATLOG_HONORGAIN and COMBATLOG_HONORAWARD |
| 22:25.47 | ckknight | I can post up the specific section of code if you want |
| 22:26.00 | Kirkburn | Yay, now you're all gonna get Chuck Norris spam in italian! :D http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2248 |
| 22:26.35 | Miravlix | Aah well I didn't write this crap. I just took the implementation from one addon and added it to another. |
| 22:26.51 | ckknight | http://ace.pastebin.com/606346 |
| 22:27.02 | ckknight | yes |
| 22:27.09 | ckknight | now you can feel my burning hatred for Titan |
| 22:27.12 | ckknight | it's icky. |
| 22:27.20 | Miravlix | Huh? |
| 22:27.44 | ckknight | some of the code implementations of it |
| 22:28.04 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure Adserator knew what he was letting himself in for |
| 22:28.06 | ckknight | such as for checking flag capture honor and such, not fond of it |
| 22:28.21 | Kirov | Is Titan still even truely supported? |
| 22:28.26 | Miravlix | Out of 170+ addons I'm sure there is less than a handfull I wouldn't be tempted to recode |
| 22:28.39 | ckknight | I bet |
| 22:28.41 | Miravlix | It's just the nature of the game, scripters isn't coders |
| 22:29.10 | Kirkburn | Kirov, yes |
| 22:29.18 | Miravlix | As long as it works reasonably well, it's cool |
| 22:29.22 | Kirkburn | Adsertor is working on 2.15 |
| 22:29.59 | Kirkburn | Er, Miravlix, you're not "Swiftstab" are you? |
| 22:31.55 | Cairenn | yeah, well, I wish one or another of the various people would frigging come update it on WoWI :p |
| 22:32.01 | Kirkburn | Titan? |
| 22:32.02 | ckknight | meh |
| 22:32.06 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 22:32.29 | Kirkburn | What's the WoWI version? |
| 22:32.47 | Kirov | You know what my one beaf with WoWI is? |
| 22:32.52 | Kirov | [list] |
| 22:33.08 | Kirkburn | What's beaf? |
| 22:33.10 | ckknight | mmm... misspelled beef |
| 22:33.26 | Kirov | heh, sorry, warrior in my guild named beafcake |
| 22:33.40 | Tain | hehe I still keep meaning to get back to my Titan Tainted. |
| 22:34.02 | Cairenn | 1.24.1500 by TitanMod - v2.14.2 by Luthic - v2.13.1 by Rathetom |
| 22:34.18 | Kirkburn | 2.14.2 is the latest version |
| 22:34.24 | Cairenn | so, what's your beef with WoWI, Kirov? |
| 22:34.30 | Kirov | [list] |
| 22:34.38 | Kirov | just that |
| 22:34.38 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 22:34.52 | Kirov | [list][*]Some stuff[/list] |
| 22:34.59 | Cairenn | ah |
| 22:35.18 | Kirov | it's just a wiki thing |
| 22:35.19 | Cairenn | so in other words, nothing |
| 22:35.34 | Kirov | [*]blah |
| 22:35.34 | Kirov | is just so much easier to write |
| 22:35.55 | Kirov | Especially when I'm copy / pasting stuff from Curse, WorldofWar and WoWI |
| 22:36.09 | ckknight | you want implicit [list]'s? |
| 22:36.56 | Kirov | yeah, I guess |
| 22:37.42 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, not sure what your policy is on out of date addons, but you could remove the non-2.14.2 versions. Adsertor has said he doesn't have time to post on more than one site :( ... judging by how often he updates I believe him |
| 22:37.44 | Kirov | It's nice if I'm trying to do lists inside lists, but if I'm just doing a bunch of bullet points it's an added annoyance I have to go through. |
| 22:38.06 | Kirkburn | Lazee |
| 22:38.30 | Kirkburn | I have just discovered Titain |
| 22:39.10 | Cairenn | Kirov: do you mean in the forums or when doing up mod descriptions? |
| 22:39.19 | Kirov | mod descriptions. |
| 22:39.33 | Kirov | It's mostly a complaint about easy of supporting multiple mod sites |
| 22:39.41 | Kirov | (and don't say "just post on WoWI") |
| 22:39.48 | Kirkburn | Font size tags are also different between sites |
| 22:39.57 | Tain | Life is like a box of chocolates. |
| 22:40.03 | Cairenn | I have yet to ever say that to anyone, Kirov |
| 22:40.48 | Kirov | Cairenn - Didn't mean that specifically at you, just trying to stop any snide comments before they happen. |
| 22:40.49 | Kirkburn | Tain, I wish there was one version of Titan with all the best of everything - the changes you did look good, if only they were in the 'official' version |
| 22:41.15 | Cairenn | no one here would say it though |
| 22:41.21 | Cairenn | aaaanyway |
| 22:41.27 | Kirov | <- is an ass and would say that |
| 22:41.28 | Tain | I would! |
| 22:41.29 | Kirov | ;) |
| 22:41.33 | Kirov | see! |
| 22:41.36 | Kirkburn | So anyway, Curse doesn't let you do *any* formatting, so be happy :P |
| 22:41.48 | Tain | Mainly because of my various and sundry dislikes (or disdain) for the other sites. |
| 22:41.49 | Cairenn | you do know you can just type out your list, then highlight it all and hit the "list" button, right? |
| 22:41.50 | Kirov | Simple solutions! |
| 22:42.27 | Kirkburn | When was the last time CG got a new feature? |
| 22:42.29 | Kirov | Cairenn - yeah, but I'm usually copy / pasting from worldofwar, so I already have to reformat it by hand |
| 22:42.53 | Cairenn | true enough |
| 22:43.14 | Tain | You know I bet you could write a Lua script to reformat it. ;) |
| 22:43.24 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 22:43.40 | krka | damn it, missed a (var or 0) discussion |
| 22:43.49 | Tain | haha krka |
| 22:43.56 | Shadowd | Is there any special reason CG just allows text on mod descriptions? |
| 22:44.05 | Kirov | tain - I've actually thought about that. =P |
| 22:44.16 | Shadowd | Besides to annoy people |
| 22:44.18 | Kirov | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-530519624422454044&q=w |
| 22:44.25 | krka | i just want to add that both variants compiles to the same code so just go with what is most readable |
| 22:44.27 | Shouryuu | Ahhhhh there;s this bimbo sitting in my living room, arghh she's driving me crazy! |
| 22:44.51 | krka | i've got a steering wheel in my pants and it's driving me nuts |
| 22:44.55 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:45.03 | Shouryuu | that's really lame :P |
| 22:45.03 | Kirkburn | Shadowd, it's obviously just to annoy people with reasonably advanced addons |
| 22:45.09 | Shadowd | bah! |
| 22:45.10 | krka | i know |
| 22:45.25 | Kirkburn | Kirov, ner, ner, posted that earlier! |
| 22:45.34 | Kirov | bah |
| 22:45.38 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 22:46.14 | Kirov | I'm reasonly impressed that they went as far as to give the hack an in-game interface |
| 22:46.50 | Shadowd | Always figured the exploit was teleporting into some object though, not just kiting him around. |
| 22:47.21 | Shadowd | It didn't explain what happened to cho though, since I could swear he heals the king if you don't leave him alone and he should just aggro onto the hunter and follow him like the king did. |
| 22:47.36 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 22:47.46 | Shadowd | In which case I don't see how a hunter could DPS the king down enough |
| 22:47.58 | Kirov | cho is just standing there |
| 22:48.08 | Kirov | he didn't aggro |
| 22:48.08 | Shadowd | That doesn't make sense then |
| 22:48.17 | Kirov | You can see him in the video |
| 22:48.24 | Shadowd | ah I never did |
| 22:48.29 | Shadowd | Never knew you could only aggro king not cho. |
| 22:50.11 | Kirov | Do you guys remember the post the supposed gold farmer made about how he was told to kill a mob at a certain place at a certain time that it'd drop the glowing brightwood staff? |
| 22:50.58 | Shadowd | Nope, I never saw that. |
| 22:56.12 | Shouryuu | me neither |
| 22:56.19 | Shadowd | Do you remember what the post said? |
| 22:56.48 | Shouryuu | lol the murloc RPG is on worldofwarcraft.com |
| 22:59.58 | duke|ib | o_O |
| 23:00.55 | Qzot | Many of the main researchers and writers on MMOs and virtual worlds. They started a social guild a few months back. I actually was in the guild before becoming a TN writer. |
| 23:00.55 | Shouryuu | why would something like L.L Bean put an add on Curse? |
| 23:01.11 | Kirov | ahhahah |
| 23:01.19 | Kirov | adblock ftw |
| 23:01.21 | Qzot | mt |
| 23:01.25 | Kirov | I haven't seen an ad in ages |
| 23:01.29 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:02.57 | Shouryuu | well night folks |
| 23:03.12 | Kirkburn | When people complain about things, they should really do some research. Someone complained about the Win Cosmos patcher dl includes the mac version and it thus bloated and confusing. It they'd bothered to click on the folder (called MACOSX, incidentally), they'd have noticed it was a grand total of 82 bytes. BLOOOOAT! |
| 23:03.43 | Kirov | 82 bytes?! |
| 23:03.55 | Adrine | Dude, bandwidth is expensive. That's 82 extra bytes that could have been better spent on a portion of a banner ad. |
| 23:03.55 | Kirkburn | Huuuugeness! |
| 23:04.00 | Kirov | omg, that's like 0.0002% of my HD! |
| 23:04.20 | Kirkburn | Adrine, please do point me to the ads? ;) |
| 23:04.52 | Adrine | You have a 400kb hard drive, Kirov? |
| 23:04.56 | Qzot | It's not the size that matters. What if I don't want any mac-related stuff on my HD, like it's a religious thing or something with me? |
| 23:05.08 | Adrine | Oh. %. >_> |
| 23:05.54 | Adrine | Qzot: I heard a rumor that those filthy mac users use the same bytes I do. |
| 23:05.57 | Adrine | confirm/deny? |
| 23:06.03 | Kirkburn | You get the Windows patcher file and *within that folder* there's an "_MACOSX" folder ... I mean, seriously, what dumbass would actually find that confusing? |
| 23:06.17 | Iriel | I hear that mac users terminate their lines differently too |
| 23:06.18 | Qzot | Doesn't matter. Even evil people sometimes tell the truth. |
| 23:06.19 | Adrine | Someone that thinks that macs have 82 byte executables? |
| 23:06.24 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:06.26 | Iriel | just like those dirty windows folks (but different) |
| 23:06.30 | Kirkburn | lol and lol and lol |
| 23:06.34 | Kirov | according to my calculations it's a 400 meg hd >.< |
| 23:06.38 | Adrine | \n > \r\n |
| 23:07.10 | Iriel | \n is the One True LineEnding |
| 23:07.22 | Kirkburn | OTLE? |
| 23:07.31 | Adrine | Plus, \r makes my text editor do funny things when I strip the \n's |
| 23:07.32 | Qzot | Cairenn!! |
| 23:07.37 | Cairenn | what? |
| 23:07.39 | Kirov | oh yeah, why are there two returns in ascii? |
| 23:07.41 | Qzot | Iriel's fomenting sectarian violence!! |
| 23:07.46 | Adrine | \r is "carriage return" |
| 23:07.48 | ckknight | \n > \r\n, \n > \r |
| 23:07.49 | Adrine | \n is "newline" |
| 23:07.50 | Cairenn | go go Iriel |
| 23:08.10 | Qzot | o.O |
| 23:08.16 | ckknight | newline goes to the next line, carriage return, goes back to the first column |
| 23:08.16 | Kirov | it just messes with me because tooltips use both |
| 23:08.22 | Adrine | On a typewriter, "carriage return" made the carriage return to the column 0 spot, whereas "newline" made you go to the next line |
| 23:08.26 | Kirkburn | Lol, as if to replace the link I sent earlier: http://www.cosmosui.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14167 |
| 23:08.42 | Adrine | So \r\n means "go to column zero and then to the next line" |
| 23:08.51 | Kirkburn | "We're no longer selling drugs, please now treat yourself to some sex!" |
| 23:09.12 | Adrine | Whereas people that realize that computers aren't typewriters shortened this to "\n" because really, I have no interest in repositioning the cursor to the beginning of the line with a command character. |
| 23:09.13 | Kirov | see, this is why Cosmos is evil |
| 23:09.15 | Kirkburn | Seriously, why put that in the least viewed website section? |
| 23:09.20 | Kirov | It's trying to sell sex to kids! |
| 23:10.04 | ckknight | lol |
| 23:10.26 | Kirkburn | It's like going to the WoW website and putting it in the "Quest discussion" forum |
| 23:10.56 | Kirkburn | (which has a grand total of 12 pages btw) |
| 23:11.34 | Kirov | wow, less than the RP forum |
| 23:12.52 | Kirkburn | I know, I've just invented the best invention ever that will revolutionize the world. Hmm, where to go ... I know! I hear Outer Mongolians buy stuff. *buys one way flight* |
| 23:15.12 | Kirkburn | I <3 eyonix http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=7526114&P=3 |
| 23:15.39 | Shadowd | rofl |
| 23:19.55 | Cairenn | god you men make me crazy by times |
| 23:20.06 | Kirkburn | Hello. |
| 23:20.52 | Kirkburn | New wallpaper! http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/images/wallpapers/bloodelves/bloodelves-1600x.jpg |
| 23:21.07 | Kirkburn | (I think the lady is reaching for his wallet) |
| 23:21.08 | Qzot | Um. Is there a lesson I can learn from Lozareth, Cairenn? Vicoriously? |
| 23:21.23 | Codayus | Heh, Loz is....special. |
| 23:21.36 | Cairenn | the man can't even afford to keep his phone hooked up, yet he absolutely refuses to let anyone help with hosting his stuff for him ... |
| 23:21.57 | Cairenn | and no, I'm not telling tales out of school, he posted to that very fact himself |
| 23:22.11 | Codayus | It's a shame. :-/ |
| 23:22.24 | Cairenn | his stupid stubborn male pride won't allow him to accept help |
| 23:22.26 | Cairenn | MEN |
| 23:22.33 | Kirkburn | Bet some women are the same |
| 23:22.34 | Qzot | What's happened? (Please save me from the ream of paper I'm supposed to be reading...) |
| 23:22.44 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4047 |
| 23:23.14 | Codayus | Naaa, I'd say Loz goes well beyond the standard "male pride". |
| 23:23.15 | Kirkburn | ah |
| 23:23.46 | Qzot | Heh. |
| 23:23.50 | Cairenn | and not only will he not accept any help, but he's spending *more* money he can't afford, for a dedicated server |
| 23:23.55 | Codayus | I mean, there's wanting to do your own thing...and then there's Loz. oO |
| 23:24.05 | Kirkburn | I wondered why discord was down |
| 23:24.25 | Cairenn | guys, post in the thread, tell him to accept our offer |
| 23:24.28 | Cairenn | :p |
| 23:24.41 | Cairenn | help me convince him to stop being so bloody pigheaded stubborn |
| 23:25.04 | Qzot | "Lozareth, Please (ow! Cairenn don't twist so hard!) accept our offer." |
| 23:25.14 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:25.22 | Kirkburn | "Accept you stubborn ass!" |
| 23:25.49 | Cairenn | this is the (at least) 3rd time that his been down because he can't afford it |
| 23:26.21 | Cairenn | for pity's sake, he's on a bloody 28.8k connection over the phone as his internet |
| 23:26.53 | Kirkburn | The turn the tables, what's your opinion on the new BE wallpaper? |
| 23:27.00 | Kirkburn | *to |
| 23:27.31 | Cairenn | it's cute |
| 23:28.19 | End | it's a wallpaper </captain-obvious> |
| 23:28.46 | Kirkburn | Heh |
| 23:29.01 | Kirkburn | A thread has sprung up discussing whether it's demeaning to women |
| 23:29.11 | Kirkburn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=7527617 |
| 23:29.11 | Iriel | Awww, look at the cute horde. |
| 23:29.30 | Cairenn | oh for ... why on earth would anyone say that's demeaning to women |
| 23:29.47 | Kirkburn | "I believe she is actually reaching into his pocket for his wallet." |
| 23:29.51 | Kirov | lol |
| 23:30.00 | Shadowd | Cairenn: Do you believe anyone posts with logic on general? |
| 23:30.02 | Kirov | that's not is wallet... |
| 23:30.12 | Kirov | it's his coin purse |
| 23:33.06 | Kirkburn | I have gotta try out "/me pickpockets %t for 19s55c" in IF one day |
| 23:33.36 | Kirkburn | Grr, one person on my guild's website seems to have little morality (imo) |
| 23:33.53 | Shadowd | Kirkburn my suggestion is to wait for one of the people start asking for money and do it to them. |
| 23:33.58 | Kirkburn | He's one of those people who suggests Ebay'ing accounts and trying out private servers |
| 23:34.07 | Kirkburn | Shadowd: ingenious! |
| 23:35.04 | Shadowd | You could also take it one step farther and tell them to talk to the king in IF/SW/Whatever and say he's a GM |
| 23:35.11 | Kirov | I was standing in IF on my bank alt testing one of my mods and some guy walked up and handed me 10g |
| 23:35.17 | Kirkburn | lol, a sample post from this guy (bear in mind that we're a 400 strong guild with 2 CLOSED raid groups)... "Hello! Im lvl 52 druid atm. I need to know are there any free slots in RAID groups, because on lvl60 I would like to do MC,ZG,AQ,BWL... So when i ding lvl60 will I be able to do that instances with VoM" |
| 23:35.35 | Kirov | My first thought was, "WTF? No wonder people are always asking for hand outs!" |
| 23:35.48 | Kirkburn | Lucky bugger |
| 23:36.08 | ckknight | that seems odd |
| 23:36.15 | Kirkburn | You'd think a guild with 400+ members might talk in guild chat ... |
| 23:36.22 | Adrine | I have an entire guild of bank alts. :D |
| 23:36.25 | Adrine | <Not FDIC Insured> |
| 23:36.27 | Adrine | It's great. |
| 23:36.27 | Kirkburn | I am constantly the only one talking |
| 23:36.28 | ckknight | lol |
| 23:36.52 | Shadowd | How does a guild with 400+ people raid in BWL? |
| 23:37.11 | Kirkburn | Not all at the same time? |
| 23:37.27 | Shadowd | No I mean how do you actually sustain and manage a guild with 400 people |
| 23:37.44 | Kirov | My guild peeked over the 500 mark once |
| 23:37.44 | Kirkburn | We have two raid groups, HVH and HRR (House of Vanaheim and House of Ragnarok) |
| 23:37.54 | Kirov | We're at 450 right now |
| 23:38.09 | Shadowd | Ah, so it's not one guild? |
| 23:38.18 | Kirkburn | Nope, one guild |
| 23:38.23 | Kirkburn | And it works quite well |
| 23:38.27 | Shadowd | interesting |
| 23:38.28 | Kirkburn | I think there are maybe 150 60s |
| 23:38.34 | Kirkburn | Probably less |
| 23:38.35 | Qzot | The CAD guild on Dark Iron broke 500, and its overflow guild (Bloody Carrots) came pretty close. |
| 23:38.57 | Shadowd | How do you manage the fact that probably all of them want phat loot? |
| 23:38.59 | Qzot | Are raid timers per guild or per person? |
| 23:39.02 | Kirkburn | Both raid groups have about 45 people, and there are always other instances going on |
| 23:39.10 | Kirkburn | We use DKP |
| 23:39.31 | Shadowd | Right, but how do you progress if everyone wants loot and your raid group is consisitly changing? |
| 23:39.31 | Kirkburn | I know of only one person leaving in the past few months |
| 23:39.40 | Kirkburn | The raid groups don't change much |
| 23:39.59 | Shadowd | So the whole guild doesn't want to raid then, or they aren't allowed? |
| 23:40.00 | Kirov | 400 people, only 95 of which make up the main raiding groups, yes? |
| 23:40.14 | Kirkburn | It's hard to describe |
| 23:40.15 | Kirov | In our guild most are either not allowed, or don't seem to want to raid. |
| 23:40.28 | Kirkburn | People *are* allowed to raid, we have raid signups |
| 23:40.38 | Kirkburn | I'll try and explain fully |
| 23:40.48 | Kirov | The not allowed ones are because they're complete ass hats and got banned for being dumb, but didn't do anything bad enough to get kicked. |
| 23:41.26 | Kirkburn | There are two raid groups with maybe up to 50 each, with a set raid timetable. You can sign up online for each raid. Generally raids aren't very oversubscribed, maybe only 1 or 2 too many |
| 23:41.49 | Kirkburn | But we also have various ZG and AQ20 groups set up for those who don't MC |
| 23:42.22 | Kirkburn | There are quite a few people leveling to 60 and doing UBRS and Strat/Scholo too |
| 23:42.38 | Kirkburn | At some point we'll likely make a new MC group |
| 23:42.41 | Shadowd | So the majority of the guild doesn't want to do the high end dungeons? Just wondering how a guild of 400 people manages when most of the guilds are a group of 50-70 people. |
| 23:43.01 | Shadowd | (high end = BWL/AQ40) |
| 23:43.19 | Kirkburn | They realise that they'll have to work to get into the main groups |
| 23:43.27 | Shadowd | i see |
| 23:43.34 | Shadowd | So how far you guys into BWL then? |
| 23:43.39 | Kirkburn | Right at the start |
| 23:43.47 | Kirkburn | I think HVH have mostly got tier one now |
| 23:43.58 | Shadowd | You'll have fun with vael |
| 23:43.59 | Kirkburn | HRR just did Raggy lasy week |
| 23:44.01 | Kirkburn | *week |
| 23:44.07 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 23:44.28 | Kirkburn | I suppose the Vikings of Midgard are more of a loose coalition than most guilds |
| 23:45.14 | Kirkburn | The two main raid groups are the core members (and mostly talk on raid chat and ventrilo) whilst others like to be part of a big group who can often help them out |
| 23:45.44 | Kirkburn | www.vikingsofmidgard.com |
| 23:46.05 | Shadowd | Pretty sure the only raiding guilds we have on IC are mostly small 50-70 people and I think we also have an an alliance of guilds that are at like firemaw or something. |
| 23:47.18 | Kirkburn | I think VoM is a more casual raider guild |
| 23:47.34 | Kirkburn | We can cope with absences as there are so many that can pick up the slack |
| 23:47.51 | Codayus | I know of a few guilds that run similarly to that - usually the guild will seperate members into "raiders" and "family". Raiders are subject to strict rules, have permission to sign up to raids, and there arw caps on how many there can be. |
| 23:48.29 | Shadowd | yeah, the guild i'm in is an old EQ guild that has a family rank that can raid with apps and members don't want to go or we need more people. |
| 23:48.34 | Codayus | Family have few rules, can't sign up to raids, and have no limit on membership. When a raiding slot opens up, recruitment looks at family first, but if no suitable candidate can be found, turns to people outside the guild. |
| 23:48.48 | Kirkburn | Intruiging |
| 23:49.20 | Adrine | We're in a pseudoguild/guild alliance that houses something like 650 characters |
| 23:49.21 | Codayus | Other guilds will have "raiders" and "family" be seperate guilds. I know of a couple guilds where only raiders are allowed in the guild, but they encourage all alts, friends, mules, etc to apply to an allied casual guild. |
| 23:49.29 | Kirkburn | I have to say I think VoM is extremely lucky in it's members, that we have no idiots |
| 23:49.35 | Adrine | But, we generally only have about 65-75 active raiders |
| 23:50.01 | Shadowd | It's nice during stuff like AQ40 learning when people aren't showing up |
| 23:50.21 | Kirkburn | I was wrong about the HRR group btw, it was actually yesterday they took down Raggy for the first time :P |
| 23:53.56 | Kirkburn | Going back to that dubious member I mentioned earlier, how does this post make sense? "I dont need demonslaying anymore, just bought it on AH. tnx anyway..." |
| 23:54.18 | Kirkburn | Is it possible to buy the demonslaying enchant on the AH?! |
| 23:54.23 | Adrine | Demonslaying forumla maybe? |
| 23:54.37 | Shadowd | Kirkburn: sssshhh |
| 23:54.43 | Adrine | Also, [WTB] physically sellable enchants that I can fire-and-forget on the AH |
| 23:54.46 | Shadowd | You're ruining my selling of pet rocks |
| 23:55.09 | ckknight | man, fire-and-forget AH enchants would be so damn awesome |
| 23:55.28 | Kirkburn | I want a pet rock :( |
| 23:55.31 | Adrine | We kind a got them with wizard oils |
| 23:55.33 | Shadowd | 500g kk? |
| 23:55.35 | Adrine | Wizard oils = money tree |
| 23:55.45 | Adrine | About 8g to make one, and they sell for 20-25g :) |
| 23:55.53 | ckknight | which is more expensive, time() or GetTime()? |
| 23:56.08 | Adrine | ckknight: You could profile it and find out! :) |
| 23:56.20 | Adrine | (aka: I have no friggin' clue) |
| 23:56.50 | Kirkburn | Actually, I'm somewhat confused now as we have "[Deamonslaying]" listed under enchants in out guild bank section |
| 23:57.11 | Kirkburn | (no, I can spell it thankyou) |
| 23:57.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shouryuu (n=Shouryuu@26.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 23:57.31 | Adrine | Localization issues? |
| 23:57.41 | Adrine | Automated banks FTW! :) |
| 23:59.41 | Kirkburn | Oh god this member is really annoying me now, I'm looking at his past posts ... |
| 23:59.49 | Kirkburn | He's a lvl 52 druid |
| 23:59.54 | Kirkburn | And he posted this: Can u upgrade my [Wildheart Belt] to [Zandalar Haruspex's Belt]? |
